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SO, UH, SO, UH, JUST A MOMENT.
SO, WELCOME TO OUR, UH, WORK SESSION.
TODAY IS NOVEMBER 29TH, UH, ABOUT FIVE 15.
AND, UH, THE FIRST, UH, ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO DISCUSS, UH, THE METROPOLIS APPLICATION, GARRETT.
UM, SO WITH REGARD TO METROPOLIS, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, UH, THE MOST RECENT UPDATES.
UH, THERE WAS AN OCTOBER 25TH, UM, SITE VISIT OF THE TOWN BOARD.
WHICH TOWN STAFF WAS AT? THE APPLICANT'S, UH, TEAM WAS PRESENT FOR THAT.
UH, FOLLOWING THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE TOWN BOARD.
A SITE VISIT WAS HELD ON NOVEMBER 16TH.
UH, AND THAT WAS WITH TOWN STAFF, UH, THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE INVITED JOHN KENNING FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, AND CHIEF HOWARD REESE, WE MET AT THE SITE, UH, WALKED THEM THROUGH THE PROPOSAL, AND, UH, THEY'RE BOTH HERE TONIGHT.
AND I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE TOWN BOARD, UH, I THINK THE BOARD WANTED TO, UM, HEAR FROM THE CHIEF AND, UH, JOHN CANNING, JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE, HAD A LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH THE PROPOSAL.
UM, SO THEY ARE HERE, THE APPLICANT'S HERE, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, BEFORE THE BOARD, WE HAVE BOTH CD ONE AND CD TWO, WHICH ARE PART OF THE SPECIAL MEETING.
THERE ARE SEEKER DOCUMENTATION, UM, A DRAFT DECK AND A DRAFT, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE METROPOLIS PROJECT.
SHOULD WE HEAR FIRST FROM MR. CANNING? THANK YOU, MR. SUPERVISOR.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. SUPERVISOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL TO THE TABLE.
SO, UM, WE DID HAVE A SITE VISIT.
I'VE LOOKED REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN.
I, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE ROAD.
BASICALLY, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON IT.
NOW, YOU MIGHT FIND THE OCCASIONAL PERSON THAT GOES, DRIVES DOWN THERE BY ACCIDENT.
THERE IS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THE SCHOOL.
IT'S INFREQUENT, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY THERE EVERY DAY.
UH, IT'S PROPOSED TO PUT A DRIVEWAY ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH WILL INTRODUCE A VERY MODEST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
MOSTLY EMPLOYEES ARRIVING IN THE MORNING, EMPLOYEES DEPARTING IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN OCCASIONALLY DELIVERY VEHICLES OF MATERIALS DURING THE DAY.
THE ROAD, THE EXISTING ROADWAY IS IN POOR CONDITION, AND IT'S NARROW IN SPOTS.
SO THE PLAN PROPOSES TO REPAY THAT UP TO THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS WHERE THE VEHICLES WILL BE ADDED.
AND TO, I'VE RECOMMENDED, AND THE PLAN HAS NOW HAS A NOTE TO SAY THAT IT WOULD BE WIDENED SO THAT AT THE DRIVEWAY END AND AT THE, AT FAIR STREET END, IT'LL BE 18 FEET WIDE, WHICH WILL BE WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW ONE VEHICLE TO PULL OVER IF ANOTHER VEHICLE COMES IN, SO THAT THEY CAN PASS.
IT'S PROPOSED TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD SO THAT THE PEDESTRIANS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE SIDEWALK.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS VEHICLES.
AND THEN THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WE HAD WAS NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE SIDEWALK.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, DID I SAY, WHAT DID I SAY? YOU SAID SOUTH, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE GOLF COURSE SIDE, THE GOLF COURSE SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, THE LAST RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT A STOP SIGN AND AN ALL TRUCKS WITH A LEFT ARROW SIGN FACING THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY ON JUNIPER HILL ROAD AS YOU HEAD, WHATEVER DIRECTION THAT IS.
UM, SO THAT ALL TRAFFIC WILL BE DIRECTED OUT TOWARDS ONE 19 AND NOT UP JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
SO BASED ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE LOW VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, THE INTRODUCTION OF A SIDEWALK, WHICH WILL BE EXTENDED DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD WITH A CURB TO THE RIGHT OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND WITHOUT A CURB FURTHER DOWN, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC CAN BE ACCOMMODATED SAFELY AND IT WON'T IMPACT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT WOULD BE SAFER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE JUNI, WHEN WE BUILD THE JUNIPER HILL SIDEWALK, UM, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, BASED ON MY FIELD VISIT, IT'S HARDER TO CONSTRUCT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE OF THE GRADE OF, OF THE LAND AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THERE'S ALREADY AN ISSUE THAT IT, IT'S GOING UP AND ALSO IT'S METROPOLIS THAT IS PROPOSING THE SIDEWALK.
AND IF IT'S BUILT ON THEIR SIDE, THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT.
SO THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT AS OPPOSED TO ON A NEIGHBOR.
UH, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE,
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THE SIDEWALK IS THERE.IT'S, UH, AVAILABLE FOR USE BY PEDESTRIANS.
IT WILL BE USED BY PEDESTRIANS IF THEY'RE ALREADY WALKING, PROBABLY A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THEIR HOME TO SCHOOL.
CROSSING AN 18 FOOT ROAD TO GET ON A SIDEWALK DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN UNREASONABLE BURDEN.
SO IT, IT COULD EASILY GO ON THE NORTH SIDE ONLY.
IT, IT'LL BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE BURDENSOME TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT SIDE.
BUT YOU DON'T SEE A MAJOR NO SAFETY ISSUE.
THERE WAS ONE OTHER ASPECT THAT I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION.
UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, THE ROAD, UM, THERE ARE BOTH HYDRANTS AS WELL AS, UH, POLES.
NOW WHAT'S PROPOSED IS A SIDEWALK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THOSE FEATURES AND THEN A CURB.
SO IF YOU WERE TO FLIP THE WHOLE, UM, DESIGN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TO THE OTHER SIDE, YOU NOW ARE INTRODUCING, UM, A ROAD EDGE VERY TIGHT TO THOSE SAME FEATURES.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE HAVING, UM, NO CURB AND YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE HYDRANTS AND POLES RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, FOOT FROM ROAD PATH WHERE THERE COULD BE CROSSING CARS.
SO BY HAVING THE SIDEWALK THERE, IT ESSENTIALLY ACTS AS A BUFFER, A SIDEWALK AND A CURB SO THAT THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ARE REALLY, THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH VEHICLES.
SO I, I, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.
I, I THINK I, I KNOW I SPOKE TO YOU OR SOMEBODY LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER OUR TOWN BOARD MEETING AND, UM, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE CHURCH AND DID NOT WANT TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR SIDE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK DEFINITIVELY FOR EITHER THE SCHOOL OR THE CHURCH.
UM, YEAH, I DID, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD SOME THINGS THAT AT THE SITE VISIT THAT YEAH, IT'S NOT ADVANTAGEOUS TO EITHER OF THOSE PARTIES TO HAVE THE BURDEN OF SHOVELING THE SIDEWALK IF IT'S ON THEIR SIDE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO KNOW THAT IF THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE SIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE, THEY ARE COMMITTED TO BUILDING IT, MAINTAINING IT, SHOVELING IT.
IT'S, IT'S MEMORIALIZED IN THIS DRAFT DECISION.
UM, THERE'S REALLY SURETY THERE.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE SAID IF IT WERE FLIPPED TO THE OTHER SIDE FROM PERSPECTIVE? MARK, YOU, I THINK YOU WERE THE ONE WHO MENTIONED IT.
HE WAS MENTIONED TO ME THAT, WELL, COME ON.
I APOLOGIZE TO STAND OVER THIS WAY, AS LONG AS HE'S SPEAKING TO A MICROPHONE, MARK, JUST TAKE A MICROPHONE.
WE HAD SPOKEN, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, I WAS NOT THERE, THAT AT THE SITE VISIT, THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT ONE OF THE SITE VISITS.
AND THEY BOTH, UH, INDICATED AT THAT SITE VISIT THAT THEY WOULD NOT, UH, BE INTERESTED IN HAVING THE SIDEWALK ON THEIR SIDE BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA, WHICH METROPOLIS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS READY TO DO.
IF IT'S ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET, THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO DO IT.
THEY WILL BE BUILDING IT, AND THEY WILL BE MAINTAINING IT, WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER REASON TO DO IT.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
AND, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF IS HERE ALSO, CHIEF, SO, SO, SO GARRETT, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT AT SOME, SOMETIMES THE OVERFLOW PARKING FROM THE CHURCH IS DOWN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
IS THAT, WILL THIS, WILL THESE IMPROVEMENTS AFFECT THE ABILITY FOR THE CHURCH TO HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING DOWN THAT SIDE OF THE STREET? I BELIEVE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, THE UTILIZATION OF, OF, OF, OF THAT ROADWAY BY THE CHURCH IS ACTUALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE NON SIDEWALK SIDE PROPOSED.
SO THEREFORE, IN MY OPINION, UM, IF THERE'S ESSENTIALLY CARS STAGED THERE UNTIL THEY'RE RECEIVING, UM, DONATIONS OR FOOD OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN KIND OF PULL OFF.
WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE A HARD CURB, UM, I THINK THE VEHICLES WANT TO BE FACING OUT TOWARDS FAIR STREET.
SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT THE SIDEWALK AS PROPOSED ON THE NORTH SIDE IS LOGISTICAL FOR THAT VERY REASON AS WELL.
SO, HEY, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
B UM, SO WE DID HAVE THE FAIRVIEW FIRE DISTRICT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SITE VISIT.
UM, WE WERE HAPPY WITH THE SITE VISIT.
FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT A LIMITED RANGE OF THINGS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ACCESS, WHICH I THINK THE SOLUTION WHERE THE ROAD WILL BE WIDE ENOUGH FOR A VEHICLE TO MOVE TO ONE SIDE TO ALLOW EITHER A FIRE TRUCK OR IF THERE'S PASSING TRAFFIC.
I THINK THAT ACCOMMODATES OUR NEEDS.
AND I THINK FROM A SUPPRESSION FACTOR, I THINK THAT THE LOCATION OF THE PREMISES WITH THE HYDRANT LOCATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL HYDRANT IS SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
PLUS, I BELIEVE IT'S SPRINKLED AS WELL.
SO WOULD BE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S LIMITED PERSPECTIVE, WE REALLY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON AT THIS POINT.
SO DO WE WANT TO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE? NO, THANKS, CHIEF.
SO THEN DO WE WANT TO, UH, CALL
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THE SPECIAL MEETING? AND WE HAVE TO WAIT FOUR MINUTES.YOU, SINCE MANNY IS HERE, DO WE WANT TO GIVE HIM THE COURTESY OF JUST, UH, EXPRESSING HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS VIEWS, UH, OR ASKING ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT TOOK THE TIME.
MAY NOW PLEASE COME UP TO THE, HI.
I'M, I'M JUNIPER HILL CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A, I, I PUT TOGETHER A KIND OF A PREPARED, UM, UH, COMMENT, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS THE IMPRESSION THAT THE 18 FOOT ROAD, BY THE WAY, JUNIPER HILL ROAD IS A ROAD.
AND, AND NOW I JUST HEARD THAT IT'S 18 FEET AT THE FAIRVIEW INTERSECTION AND AT THE DRIVEWAY, I WAS MADE TO BELIEVE THERE WAS GONNA BE 18 FEET FROM, FROM FAIR, FROM FAIRVIEW INTERSECTION ALL THE WAY TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THINGS SEEMS TO CHANGE AS, AS CONVERSATIONS ARE HAD.
IT'S A ROAD IT NEEDS, IT NEEDS TWO LANES.
I'M JUST ADDRESSING THESE BEFORE I GO INTO MY COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF A BUFFER IS, IS, IS LIKE A STRAW ARGUMENT, UH, THAT THE SIDEWALK'S GONNA BE A BUFFER.
BUT CER CURRENTLY NO BUFFER THERE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE USED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE USE, THEY'RE USING, THEY'RE USING THE SIDEWALK AS A BUFFER TO ALL THIS TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE CREATED.
IT CREATES A KINDA LOOK, LITTLE MIXED, MIXED MESSAGING, UH, THE CHURCH AND, AND THE FOOD BANK PARKING.
FIRST OF ALL, THE CHURCH, CHURCH, THE PASTOR'S GONNA COME ON AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS.
THEY DON'T MIND CLEANING THE SIDEWALK.
THIS WHOLE IDEA OF COMP, OF, OF ELIMINATING SAFETY FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF, OF CLEANING A SIDEWALK.
I, I, I'VE TALKED TO BOARD MEMBERS AT SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY WILLING AND ABLE TO CLEAN IF NECESSARY.
NOW, I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA MAKE MY COMMENTS THROUGH, UH, READING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, UH, BEFORE WE START WITH THE CHANGES, UH, I REQUESTED TO MEET THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE HERE TO THIS, AT THIS LATE DAY LATE.
I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO POINT TO THE COMMUNITY HOLDING BACK THIS PROCESS THAT IT'S BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY OBSTRUCTIONISM MON NIMBYISM, IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE LAPSES AND MISSED REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE PLAN.
OKAY? I WANNA POINT THAT OUT, UH, TO THE POINT, UH, TO THE POINT.
WE ARE NOW SATISFIED WITH MOST ASPECTS OF THE PLANT.
AND LIKE THE INCREASE OF THE ROAD BED, WHICH IS NOT INCREASE OF THE ROAD BED.
NOW, IT'S PARTIALLY INCREASED OF THE ROAD BED.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM FAIRVIEW ALL THE WAY TO THE, ALL THE WAY TO, TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THE SIGN IS TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC FROM THE JUNIPER HILL AS, AS A CUT THROUGH IS, IS APPRECIATED.
DIRECTING THE TRAFFIC DOWN FAIRVIEW IS REALLY APPRECIATED.
UH, THE PART THAT'S MISSING HERE IS THAT WE ARE STILL EXPECTING THE APPLICANT TO SCHEDULE DELIVERIES BETWEEN NINE AND 3:00 PM INSTRUCTING SUPPLIERS TO USE FAIR STREET TO MAKE THE DELIVERIES.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY SHOULD COME UP FAIR STREET, UH, THAT WE'RE STILL ADAMANT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.
UH, THE PLACEMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY SCHOOL CHILDREN THAT USE THAT ROAD.
UH, YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S HEAVILY USED OR NOT HEAVILY USED.
IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY AND WHO'S USING IT.
SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S ONE PERSON OR 10 PEOPLE USING IT IN, IN ANY PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD, IT SHOULDN'T ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SAFETY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, WHICH IS THE INTENTION OF HAVING THE FACILITY THERE.
THE ASSUMPTION THAT CHILDREN WILL CROSS ON THE SIDE SIDE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'LL CROSS TO THE SOUTH SIDE TO GO TO THE, TO THE NORTH TO GET TO THE NORTH OF, TO THE NORTH OF THE FAIR STREET SIDEWALK.
NOBODY, BY THE WAY, NOBODY CAN BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA CROSS SOUTH AND GO WEST, EAST TO GO NORTH.
EVEN IF
EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WHEN, WHEN HE, WHEN HE WAS POINTED OUT, THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
IT'S RIDICULOUS TO THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.
UM, IN ADDITION, HAVING THE PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDE SIDE WOULD PROVIDE A BE
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BETTER VISIBILITY.THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE CHURCH FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION AS THEY WALK DOWN FROM FROM THE SCHOOL.
THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY CAN NOW, THEY CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC BETTER INSTEAD OF BEING BLOCKED BY, BY ALL THE FENCING AND STUFF.
AND THEY CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO MAKE MAY MAKING TURN AS WELL AS, UH, PEDESTRIAN APPROACHING AS WELL AS VEHICLES MAKING THE RIGHT HAND TURN TOWARDS THE CLUB.
UM, UH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT HAND CENTER TO THE CLUB, YOU CAN LOOK, YOU, YOU WILL SEE THE PEDESTRIANS ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE IF THE PEDESTRIANS ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU WON'T SEE THEM.
UM, MAKING, SO HERE'S THE THING, YOU KNOW, WE USE, WE USE EXPERTISE SOMETIMES TO MASK THE NEEDS AND THE WANTS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH ARE HAS, THEY HAVE TO BE, THEY HAVE TO BE ASKED.
AND, AND, AND SOMETIMES WE SEE STUFF THAT THE EXPERTS ARE, ARE JUST DON'T GET.
OKAY? UH, AND THE DRIVER'S MAKING THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF, SINCE THE CROSSING WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THEM, NOT ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF, OF, OF THEIR TRUCK.
OKAY? ANOTHER DANGER TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS HAVING THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, HAVING THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS CONSIDERED THE LENGTH OF THE CROSSING THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO HAPPEN SINCE PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN, WOULD NOT MAKE A 270 DEGREE, UH, CIRCLE TO REACH FAIR STREET SIDE.
IN ADDITION, THE DANGER OF THE, AN ADDITIONAL DANGER OF PEDESTRIAN, ESPECIALLY THE KIDS WHO, WHO MIGHT BE DISTRACTED, WAITING TO CROSS FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, TO THE OTHER SIDE TO GET ACROSS ITS DELIVERY TRUCKS.
IT'S CALLED SIDEWALK SKIPPING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE, BUT THE SIDE, BIG TRUCKS, WHEN THEY MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN, SOMETIMES THEY SKIP THE SIDEWALK.
AND IF YOU SITTING THERE, THEY WAITING TO CROSS THE STREET, YOU'RE GONNA GET CLIPPED.
I'LL TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT A FRIEND OF MINE WHOSE MOTHER ELDERLY'S SLOWER.
SHE WASN'T DISTRACTED, BUT SHE COULDN'T MOVE FAST ENOUGH.
THEY, IT'S NOT THAT THEY WON'T MOVE FAST ENOUGH.
IF THEY'RE STANDING ON THAT CORNER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET TO PAINT THE CROSSING OVER TO TO FAIR STREET, THEY MIGHT BE CLIPPED BY A TRUCK MAKING RIGHT HAND TURN.
UM, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY THE BACK OF THE TRUCK GOING AROUND AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CLEAR THE SIDEWALK.
IN ADDITION, IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CHURCH MEMBERS AND, AND, AND THEIR CLIENTS.
'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO COME FOR THE FOOD TO BE ABLE TO PARK, TO BE ABLE TO PARK ON THAT ROAD.
AND IT, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WITH THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
'CAUSE IF IT'S 18 FOOT, IF PLUS ANOTHER FOUR FEET FOR A SIDEWALK, IT'S 22 FEET.
UH, WE EXPECT THAT THE ROAD BED SHOULD BE 24, 22 FEET ALL THE WAY FROM FAIR STREET ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT IS A PROPER ROAD, 18 FEET.
AND THE, THE SIDEWALK'S FOUR FEET, THAT'S 22 FEET.
WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE JUNIPER HILL ROAD IS 18 FEET.
IT'S NOT 18 FEET AT THE INTERSECTION, AND AT, AT A DRIVEWAY, IT'S 18 FEET FROM THE BEGINNING OF JUNIPER HILL, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RUSSELL.
OKAY? AND IT SHOULD BE CONTINUE, REGARDLESS IF IT GOES TO A DEAD END.
DEAD END STREETS ARE STILL CONSIDERED STREETS.
SO THEY PARK THERE, THE FOOD BANK.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE POSSIBILITY, BY THE WAY, IF THEY MAKE THE ROAD NARROWER AFTER THE INTERSECTION OF FIFTH STREET, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE, IN THE, THE DRIVE LANE.
PUT TRUCKS, FIRE ENGINES, OR TRUCKS DRIVING BACK AND FORTH.
AND GUESS THAT IF THAT HAPPENS, AND IF THEY START PUTTING SIGNS, NO PARKING SIGNS, THEY'RE GONNA BE LINING UP ON FAIR STREET.
AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE FAIR STREET IS A BUSY STREET WHERE THIS CONTINUATION OF JUNIPER HILL STREET, IT'S VERY QUIET WITH, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE FACILITY, UM, UM, EVEN, HEY, LOOK, SAFETY SHOULD NEVER BE COMPROMISED, OKAY? UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN.
BUT IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, I'M GONNA REITERATE IT BECAUSE, UH, THE CONCERNS ARE THERE.
THAT, AND THAT, THAT WERE MADE THE CONCERN OF SNOW REMOVAL.
IF, IF, IF, I MEAN, IF WE EVER HAVE SNOW, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE FUTURE, UM, HAS BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I THINK THEY'RE AMICABLE TO, TO PROVIDING THAT KIND OF SAFETY.
I THINK THE PASTOR FROM THE CHURCH WILL COME ON AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THEY HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT THE, NOT ONLY THE FLOCK.
OKAY? THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, OKAY? SAFETY, SAFETY SHOULD NOT TRUMP BY, SHOULD NOT BE TRUMPED BY SNOW REMOVAL OR THE ADDITIONAL COST.
AND I, I'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE COST IN ONE SECOND, OKAY? BECAUSE WE HAVE COMPROMISED, THEY, THEY, THEY COMMITTED TO MAKE A SIDEWALK AND IT, AND A, AND A PAVED ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THAT, OF THAT JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
SO IT, IT BRINGS DOWN THE COST.
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20 FEET PAST THE DRIVEWAY, OKAY? THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE.THAT MEANS THEY, WE ELIMINATED ABOUT, I DUNNO, 60 FEET OR MORE OF ROAD BED AND SIDEWALK TO BRING THE COST OF THAT COMMITMENT THAT THEY MADE.
SO WHEN WE BRING UP THE COST OF A PROJECT, WE HAVE TO BE CERTAINLY AWARE THAT IT'S, IF WE COMPROMISED SAFETY AND VIABILITY OF ALL THE OTHER CHAIR, ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYBODY A SERVICE.
SO THE APPLICANT ALREADY GOT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THE PIECE OF, OF FLESH, MORE OR LESS BY NOT HAVING TO BUILD THE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.
THEY'RE ONLY DOING IT 20 FEET.
SO THE COST HA THE COST HAS MITIGATED, BEEN MITIGATED BY, BY CHANGING THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY MADE.
OKAY? UM, IT, BY THE WAY, AS FAR AS THE, THE SIDEWALK AND, AND AS FAR, AS FAR AS THE, UH, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST, IF YOU COULD JUST, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IT SHOULD ALSO BE, IT SHOULD NOT HURT THE METROPOLIS IF THEY'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, IF THEY HAVE TO CLEAN THE SIDEWALK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OR THE LEFT HAND SIDE, OR THE NORTH SIDE.
AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF THEY HAVE TO CLEAN THE SNOW ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE? I MEAN, I, I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART, YOU KNOW, VERY IMPORTANT PART BECAUSE I, I FINALLY GOT SPOKE TO GARRETT LATE YESTERDAY, AND I, I GOT THE PLANS, THE FINAL PLANS, AND I, AND I SHARED THEM WITH A, WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE AN ARCHITECT AS WELL AS A SITE PLANNER.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND HE ASKED ME NOT TO GIVE HIM ANY PROMPTING OR EXPLANATIONS OR COMMENTARY, AND HE, HE JUST WANTED TO SEE THE PLAN.
AND HE CAME ON WITH SOME IDEAS.
AND THESE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT HE SAW IT DIFFERENTLY.
HE SAW THE FACT THAT THIS ROAD WENT TO SOME PART OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
SO HE CAME UP, WELL, A LOT OF THE SAME OBSERVATIONS I DID, BUT ONE OF THE ONES HE MET IS IF YOU'RE BUILDING A ROAD TO THAT, IT'S BEING USED FOR THE SCHOOL, IT SHOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
HE SAID THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S ALMOST A GIVEN.
OKAY? IN ANY, ANY, IN ANY ANY SITE PLANNING AND SAFETY, THAT SCHOOL, THE ROADS, THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO IT MINIMIZES ONE CROSSING FOR THE CHILDREN.
OKAY? THE OTHER PART, UM, THE OTHER PART WHICH I NEVER SAW, AND HE SAW, HE LOOKED AT THE GRADES, OKAY? HE LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE GRADES.
HE ALSO LOOKED THE INCREASE OF THE IMP IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
AND HE POINTED OUT TO ME THE FACT THAT NOW WE HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT'S CREATING A DAMNING SITUATION, A DAMNING SITUATION, PREVENTING THE WATER THAT NOW CURRENTLY FLOWS OVER AND, AND ENDS UP ON THE PREVIOUS SURFACES THAT ARE PART OF, OF, THAT ARE PART OF, UH, METROPOLIS.
IF WE PUT A SIDEWALK THERE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BASICALLY BUILDING A DAM, OKAY? WHICH GOING TO BE REDIRECTING ALL THE WATER FROM BOTH THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD DOWN TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF FAIR STREET AND JUNIPER HILL ROAD, THAT WILL ADD TO THE WATER FLOW THAT IS ALREADY COMING DOWN JUNIPER HILL ROAD, DOWN THE HILL.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE I, BUT I KNOW THAT IF YOU ADD ADDITIONAL WATER, WATER FLOWS, SOMEBODY HAS TO MITIGATE THAT FLOW THAT'S GOING TO BE CREATED BY BLOCKING THE WATER THAT NOW IS SEEPING INTO THE PROPERTY AND INTO THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I KNOW THAT UNLESS THEY PUT SOME KIND OF DRAINAGE OR COVERTS TO CATCH THAT CATCH BASINS TO CATCH THAT THE WATER, ALL THAT WATER'S GONNA FLOW BECAUSE THE, HE, HE SAW THAT THE GRADE WAS GOING TOWARDS FAIR STREET, IT'S GOING TO END UP ON THE INTERSECTION.
AND IT, EVEN WHEN IF DUST NOT FREEZING IN THE WINTER AND AFTER SNOW REMOVAL, IT CREATE, IT WILL CREATE A DANGEROUS TRAFFIC SITUATION.
OKAY? SO, SO MANNY, CAN I ASK GARY TO COMMENT ON THAT POINT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT POINT? YEAH.
AB THE, THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF A STORMWATER PERMIT.
SO, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOW OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT INDEED THIS WILL NOT INTRODUCE SHEET FLOW ONTO FAIR STREET OR ANY SURROUNDING AREAS.
IN FACT, I BELIEVE, UM, I KNOW THEIR ENGINEERS ON THE ZOOM, I BELIEVE THEY DESIGNED THEIR ONSITE STORMWATER TO ACCOMMODATE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
SO THEY'RE GOING OVER AND ABOVE.
UM, SO THAT SYSTEM HAS ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO HANDLE, UM, THE STORMWATER RUN.
CAN I ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT'S AT THE SITE, PLEASE? UM, SO YOU SAID THE SCHOOL AND CHURCH WOULD BE WILLING TO CLEAN THE SIDEWALKS.
ARE THEY WILLING TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME REPAIR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL? WELL, THE CONVERSATION THAT'S ONGOING, OKAY.
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SAW THEMSELVES AS BEING A, A NEIGHBOR, AND THE PART THAT THEY'RE FULFILLING, THEY WOULD FULFILL WHATEVER REQUIREMENT IS.SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE SIDEWALKS, OR YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD CLEAN SNOW OFF OF THE SIDEWALKS? WELL, IF THEY WERE ON THEIR, THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD HERE, UH, UH, WE HAVE TO BACK, IT'S JUST SPECIFIC.
WE HAVE TO, IT'S NOT JUST SPECIFIC THAT THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE SCHOOL WENT ALONG WITH AFTER THAT SIDE VISIT WAS BECAUSE OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR POLICE OFFICER, MS. MS. OFFICER REON, AS AS I ASSURED THEM, ASSURED THEM THAT THEY COULD PUT ENOUGH TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE THAT CROSSING SAFE.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE, WHAT HE PROMISED IS IT WAS NOT, IS IT WAS NOT TRUE.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
BUT THE QUESTION THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY WENT ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT IT WAS OKAY TO PUT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THE BUT THAT'S, BUT THEY HAD THAT, THE CONVERSATION, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT THE SCHOOL WOOD WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND SHOVEL IT, EVERYTHING.
AND THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
THAT'S, WELL, I, I'VE TO, THAT'S, BUT MANNY MADE A STATEMENT OKAY.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, I NEEDED, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S ALL IT, IT WASN'T A WRITTEN COMMITMENT.
SO IT'S CLEAR WHAT OUR POSITION IS.
I MEAN, FIRSTLY, TO PUT A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF A LEGAL CONTEXT ON THIS, IT'S NOT, WHAT'S FAIR IS THAT IT'S OUR LEGAL OBLIGATION IS TO MARK, COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MARK WEINGARTEN, ON BEHALF OF METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB, OUR LEGAL OBLIGATION IS TO MITIGATE WHAT WE'VE CREATED.
WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY PEDESTRIANS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO PAYING FOR THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING.
WE HAVEN'T EITHER TAKEN A POSITION ON WHICH SIDE IT SHOULD BE ON.
THERE HAS BEEN AN ENTIRE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
WHAT WE HAVE SAID, AND WHAT IS TO BE CLEAR IS IF IT IS ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET MM-HMM.
IF IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
WE WILL CONSTRUCT IT, BUT WE WILL NOT BE MAINTAINING IT OR TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR LIABILITY ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN SUGGEST THAT'S POSSIBLE TODAY, SO WE COULD MAYBE GET THROUGH THIS, AND I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE TIME PRESSURE THAT WE'RE UNDER THAT, BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ONE MORE MEETING LEFT, WHICH IS WEDNESDAY PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND THE WAY THIS WHOLE THING IS WORKING, IF THEY DON'T DO THIS FOR US ON WEDNESDAY WITH THE STEEP SLOPES AFTER YOU HAVE ACTED, PUSHES IT INTO JANUARY, WE CAN'T DO IT BEFORE THE SEASON OF THE CLUB STARTS.
THAT PUSHES BRIGHTVIEW BACK A YEAR.
IF WE DON'T GET THIS DONE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS, YOU COULD APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, SAYING AT THE TOWN BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHERE THEY WANT THE SIDEWALK, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NOW METROPOLIS IS INDIFFERENT TO IT.
WE WILL BUILD IT, WE WILL PAY FOR IT.
IF IT'S ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIABILITY AND FOR THE MAINTENANCE AS WE ARE ON THE LAW.
IF IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, IT WILL BE THE CHURCH AND IT WILL BE THE SCHOOL HONOR.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DECIDE IT TONIGHT.
SO IF THAT'S HELPFUL, I WANTED TO OFFER THAT TO YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE A, WE ARE GONNA BE HERE TILL LIKE THREE IN THE MORNING.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT BY THE WAY, BUT I WAS AT THAT SITE VISIT AND I HEARD MEMBERS FROM THE CHURCH, AND I ALSO HEARD THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SHOVEL THAT SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S PUT IN FOR THE BENEFIT, MUCH LESS MAINTAIN IT, MUCH LESS MAINTAIN IT.
THAT'S PUT IN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GOLF COURSE.
IT'S NOT BEING PUT IN FOR THE CHURCH'S BENEFIT OR FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BENEFIT.
BECAUSE A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE STUFF, AND A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WERE NEVER AIRED PROPERLY.
BUT CAN I JUST SAY, CAN I JUST, JUST TO MOVE THIS, CAN I FINISH ASKING MY QUESTIONS TOO, PLEASE? UM, LET ME ASK YOU QUESTION MM-HMM.
UM, CAN THE TRUCK DELIVERIES BE COORDINATED SO THAT THEY'RE NOT MADE DURING SCHOOL, THE BEGINNING OF SCHOOL AND THE END OF SCHOOL? UH, THOSE, THAT WHAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS AN ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION.
NOW, AGAIN, WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THE NUMBERS, AND I THINK YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WENT THROUGH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PEAK SEASON, A TOTAL OF 10 TO 18 VEHICLES, WHICH INCLUDES EMPLOYEE VEHICLES FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.
SO THAT, THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE TALKING MOST OF THE YEAR, BY THE WAY, IT'S BETWEEN SIX AND 10.
THEY CAN COORDINATE, BUT IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE, MOST OF OUR STUFF HAPPENS BEFORE 7:00 AM MOST OF OUR STUFF HAPPENS BEFORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING GOLF BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE THERE WHILE THAT'S GOING ON.
SO WE'VE SAID, WE'VE SAID TO THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE.
WE JUST DON'T WANT AN ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION.
IF THE RANDOM TRUCK SHOWS UP AT NINE O'CLOCK AND SOMEBODY SAYS, YOU GUYS ARE BEING BAD ACTORS, THIS CLUB, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE MEMBERS, WE ARE A GOOD MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE LOCAL,
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THE LOCAL CIVIC ASSOCIATION OR ELSE I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION.WE PARTICIPATE IN IT, REMEMBER FROM THE SITE VISIT, BUT, BUT WE'RE ASKING TO PLEASE NOT HAVE AN ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION.
WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, AS WE ALWAYS DO.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE GOTTA GET THIS THING BUILT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE THE FACILITY FROM THE OTHER SIDE SO BRIGHTVIEW CAN DO THEIR BUILDING.
IT'S JUST UNDERSTOOD HOW IT WORKS.
I'M, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AT THE SITE VISIT.
THESE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ASKED, BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WASN'T AWARE OF THEM.
SO I FELT THAT THEY SHOULD, YES.
WE, OUR MAINTENANCE, THE PERSON WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE, OUR GREENSKEEPER, ET CETERA, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THIS, HE'S CHARGED TO TRY TO AVOID AND HAVE ALL OF THOSE DELIVERIES THAT ARE AT NON-SCHOOL HOURS.
I MEAN, KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S, THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THE CLUB FROM THAT POINT.
THE ONLY, THERE'S NOBODY ON THAT STREET RIGHT BEYOND US.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE DISCUSSION, THERE'S NO IMPACT BEYOND THE DRIVEWAY, THE ENTRANCE.
THERE'S NO IMPACT BY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NONE OF OUR TRAILER EVER GOING ON IN THAT DIRECTION.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY CARS ON THE ROAD.
THE ONLY THING YOU CAN ACCESS THERE IS THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, WHICH IS BEYOND, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE CHURCH.
SO THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ARE THE, UH, ARE THE, ARE THE, UM, CHILDREN THAT ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, AND WE KNOW WHAT THOSE HOURS ARE.
SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE CHILDREN ARE, THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE NEVER SAY THEY WEREN'T IN EVERY WAY.
I DON'T, I'M NOT, I NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T OKAY.
BUT I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING AND WE VOTE ON, WHEN YOU GUYS VOTE ON SOMETHING, WE PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER, THEN YOU VOTE ON IT, AND THEN IT'S, IT CAST IN STONE AND NOTHING CAN BE CHANGED.
I MEAN, I, I HAVE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS JUST MOVE THE SIDEWALK TO THE SOUTH AND THEN, AND THEN WE WORK OUT.
BUT MOVING THE SIDEWALK TO THE SOUTH WITHOUT A DEFINITE, A DEFINITIVE COMMITMENT THAT THE SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIABILITY AND THE CLEANING OF IT WELL, DOES NOT MOVE US ALONG.
THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW FOR SOME TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY, IF YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, THAT'S WHY I WAS, YEAH, I'VE HAD CONVERS, BUT LET ME POINT OUT ANOTHER SITUATION.
UH, THE TOWN BUILDS SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME.
AND THEY BUILD A SIDEWALK WHERE IT IS, IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR ENGINEERING AND SAFETY REASONS ALL THE TIME.
THE, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY BUILD THE SIDEWALKS.
THEY NEVER ASK ANYONE IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF OR MAINTAIN IT.
THEY JUST BUILD IT IF IT MAKES SENSE.
AND IF THE COMMUNITY IS A, EVEN SOMETIMES WHEN THE, WHEN MOST SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY DON'T AGREE, THEY STILL BUILD THE SIDEWALK.
AND HOWEVER THE SPECIFICS OF IT ARE THAT THE, BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL DID SAY WITHIN, AS, AS, UM, AS COUNCILMAN SHEAN MENTIONED, THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CONFLICT HERE.
AND THIS IS AWFULLY LATE TO HAVE THIS CONFLICT.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, WE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.
YOU'VE, YOU'VE SAID YOU'RE OKAY, YOU'VE EXPRESSED YOUR CONCERNS.
AND THEY'RE ADDRESSING CONCERNS.
SO, UM, AND I WANNA HELP ACCOMMODATE YOUR CONCERNS AND CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT'S TOO FUZZY AT THIS POINT.
WELL, LET ME JUST ASK A QUESTION.
WHAT MARK SUGGESTED IS, UM, WE COULD APPROVE THIS TODAY.
UH, WE COULD THEN REACH, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, SO WE ARE GOING BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO SHOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LISTENING.
WE COULD GO TO THE CHURCH, WE COULD GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AFTER WE APPROVE EVERYTHING, WE COULD SAY, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE LIABILITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY? IF THEY SAY YES, THEN WE COULD, OUR ENGINEERS COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD BASICALLY LOOK AT THAT.
IF THEY SAY NO, THEN IT GOES ON, DECIDE.
I WOULD MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU APPROVE IT AS IT IS.
WITH THE CONDITION THAT GIVES THE, AT THE TOWN'S DISCRETION, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, 60 DAYS TO GO AND TALK TO HERE.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CHURCH.
AND IF YOU WANNA IMPOSE THE OBLIGATION ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, WE ARE WILLING TO CONSTRUCT IT THERE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE PROVIDE, THINK, COMPROMISE.
BECAUSE MY SECOND SOLUTION WAS THE S PRIOR APPROVAL PROCEEDS FOR OTHER, OTHER PARTS OF THE PROJECT ON THE SIDE, ON THE SIDEWALK.
ISSUES SHOULD BE RESOLVED TO SATISFACTION LATER ON.
THAT WAS MY SECOND SUGGESTION.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, I I DONT, I WANT THE PROJECT TO HAPPEN.
SO THEN WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE THEN JUST MOVE THIS, I JUST WANNA SAY IN ADVANCE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT BECAUSE WE HAD A SECRET PROCESS.
WE HAD PUBLIC HEARING, FOLLOW UP, PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAD A SITE
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PLAN.A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, INCLUDING THE CHURCH.
THEY'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE THE PLANS SHOW THE SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE.
NOW WE'RE DECIDING AFTER THE FACT.
WE'RE REALLY JUST CORRUPTING THE SECRET PROCESS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND LEAVING A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE RIGHT ON THE TABLE TO BE WORKED OUT AFTER WE VOTE TO APPROVE IT.
AND SO, AS, AS, AS MUCH AS I COMPROMISE, THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, NO GOOD DEEDED GOES UNPUNISHED HERE.
AND THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK AND HAUNT US LATER ON AS TO WHY DON'T YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OTHER PROJECT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST VOTE FOR IT AND WORK OUT A KEY ISSUE LATER AFTER YOU'VE APPROVED IT? AND SO, I I I, I JUST HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I JUST CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, I DON'T LISTEN, THERE'S FIVE VOTES.
I'M ONE OF THEM, BUT I JUST TELL YOU THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT PROCEDURE AND PROCESS, JUST HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AFTER ALL THE TIME THAT HAS GONE BY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CHURCH HERE.
THEY WERE THERE, AND WE'VE HAD OUR TRAFFIC PERSON TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
WE'VE HAD OUR PLANNER OUTSIDE CONSULTANT LOOK AT THIS.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS RECORD NOW FOR WHY IT'S BEING PLACED WHERE IT IS.
AND THEN FOR US TO SAY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GONNA PUT HER ON THE OTHER SIDE ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY JUSTIFY THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GONNA KEEP REPEATING THIS BECAUSE YOU WANT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WELL, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC THAT YOU ARE, HAVE THAT CONCERN, BUT AT SOME POINT, REPEATING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHEN THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORD OTHER THAN YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, IS, IS TROUBLING AND FRANKLY, VERY TIME CONSUMING.
LOOK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECRET PRODUCT PROCESS.
NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD ACTUALLY SAW THE FINAL PLAN THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROPOSED.
AND I, I I, I DON'T WANT TO, I, I DON'T WANT TAKE CANVAS EACH ONE OF YOU, BUT THE, THE PLANT WAS NOT EVEN FINISHED UNTIL LATE LAST WEEK OF ALL THE DETAILS THAT WAS NEEDED.
SO YOU HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED, IF YOU WANTED TO REALLY DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE SECRET PLAN AS COMPLETED.
I I, I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S JUST NOT ACCURATE.
AND CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THAT PLAN WERE MADE BECAUSE IN ACCOMMODATION TO THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP MOSTLY FROM YOU, OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
WE WERE, WE WERE ON THE AGENDA TO BE FINISHED WITH THIS IN OCTOBER.
THIS HAS NOW GONE ON FOR SIX ADDITIONAL WEEKS IN OUR ATTEMPT.
PLEASE LET ME FINISH, I LET YOU SPEAK.
NO, JUST WE, THIS, THIS WENT ON FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIX WEEKS BECAUSE OF YOUR ITEM.
COUNCILMAN SHEHAN HAS A A, AN EXCELLENT LEGAL POINT WITH RESPECT TO THE PROCESS.
AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T OBJECT TO THE WAY THIS IS DRAFTED.
WE ARE UP AGAINST THE WALL NOW.
WE MUST HAVE A, A DECISION TONIGHT, RIGHT? SO WE ARE HERE TO THAT, DO THAT.
AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU GET TO THAT POINT.
IF WE CAN IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, DO THAT AND WE'LL TAKE IT IN WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU ARE.
AND I, UNDER, AND I, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT COUNCILMAN SHEEN HAS SAID, BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD PLANS FULLY CAPABLE OF BEING APPROVED, OF BEING APPROVED FOR MANY WEEKS HERE.
AND THAT THE CHANGES WERE BEING MADE BY YOU.
AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE FINAL PLANS TO LOOK AT.
AND THE CHANGES WERE MADE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE SITE VISIT ON, UM, NOVEMBER 16TH.
AND ON THE 29TH, I DESCRIBED THOSE CHANGES TO THE TOWN BOARD AT THE MEETING.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE, ONE POINT, I THINK YOU HAVE EXCELLENT COMMENTS REGARDING THE ROAD AND THE WIDTH, BUT IT'S THE TOWN'S POSITION THAT THAT'S NOT A TOWN ROAD.
AND IN THE APPROVAL THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF PLOW, WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING WITH IT.
BUT WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T SAY THAT THAT'S A TOWN.
IF IT'S A TOWN ROAD, I WOULD WANT IT TO HAVE 26 FEET WIDE.
AND I WANT IT TO ACTUALLY BE THREE RODS.
IT'S, BUT YOU, BUT MANNY, THE FACT THAT YOU SAYS SAY SOMETHING AND YOU KEEP REPEATING, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY SAID THE TOWN DOES NOTHING TO THAT ROAD.
WHENEVER WE WANT SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO GO AND PLOW IT OURSELVES.
YOU DO, YOU MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE WATER LINES, YOU MAINTAIN THE, YOU MAINTAIN THE SEWER LINES, YOU MAINTAIN THE S YOU MAINTAIN THE LIGHTS THAT LIGHT THAT ROAD GOING DOWN THERE.
SO IF YOU DO ALL THAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE ON A ROAD, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SAY, IT'S NOT MY ROAD.
WELL, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT'S POSITION REGARDING THAT
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ROAD? IS IT A TOWN ROAD OR YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW THE APPLICANT'S POSITION ON, ON THE ROAD.SO WE HAVE STAYED OUT OF MAKING THAT COMMENT.
WE HAVE, BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE IT.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANNA SAY WE HAVE THE LEGAL OBLIGATION AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT VOLUNTARILY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEFORE US IN RESPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT AN ISSUE WITH REGARD TO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO THAT.
JUST SO WE COULD JUST MOVE THIS ALONG.
I, I THOUGHT YOUR SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, MADE, MADE SENSE.
YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY, UM, WOULD BE APPROVING THE NEG DECK.
UH, WE'RE GIVING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY REALLY WANT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE TO SPEAK TO THE CHURCH AND SPEAK TO THE SCHOOL.
AND IF THE SCHOOL SAYS YES, UH, THEN WE COULD, WE, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION, UH, WITHIN A VERY REASONABLE AMOUNT OF A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, TO SAY, PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IF THEY SAY NO, THEN IT'S BASICALLY A DEBT ISSUE AND IT GOES ON, DECIDE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
AND I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE HAD SO MANY MEETINGS AND WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, THEY FEEL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LISTEN, I THINK THEY'LL FEEL, YOU KNOW, BETTER ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.
SO IF IT WAS UP TO, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE SECRET.
CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK THAT YOU OPEN THE SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE MEETING? YEAH.
WE HAVEN'T CALLED THE MEETING.
AND, AND I, AND I, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I, THAT I AGREE WITH FRANCIS AND I DO TOO.
UM, THAT, THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH, SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
THIS, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT, THAT I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO REPEATABLE IDEA.
I HAD TO PAUSE BECAUSE I WASN'T REALLY SURE.
THEY WERE IN FACT, AT THE SITE VISIT, THEY DIDN'T, IN FACT, AT THAT TIME INDICATE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WEREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING THE SIDEWALK ON THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR SPEAKING LOUDLY FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I, I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MR. CANNING BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, UM, THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR HI, HIS OPINION ON THOUGH, UM, BEFORE WE, UH, OPEN THE SPECIAL MEETING.
UM, SO IF, IF I MAY JUST ASK MR. CANNING A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, JOHN, UH, MANNY RAISED THE ISSUE OF, OF WHAT HE CALLED CLIPPING, YOU KNOW? YEP.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK, SPEAK A LITTLE TO THAT ISSUE? CERTAINLY.
UH, WE HAD THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN PICK IT UP, YOU CAN PICK IT UP.
WE HAD, WE HAD THE APPLICANT EXECUTE TRUCK TURNING ANALYSES TO ENSURE THAT THE TRUCKS COULD TURN ONTO THE DRIVEWAY OR ONTO JUNIPER HILL ROAD WITHOUT CLIPPING THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEY CLEARLY INDICATED THAT THEY CAN MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE TRUCKS TO MAKE THE TURN SAFELY.
SO YOU CONSIDERED THAT ISSUE? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CANNING? NO, BUT I DO FOR OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN TELL IT TO US IN AN OPEN SESSION.
UH, BUT APPARENTLY NOW THERE'S A DISPUTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A TOWN ROAD OR NOT A TOWN ROAD.
I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR THIS, QUITE FRANKLY, IF I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN THIS THING IS DONE, I WAS GONNA SAY, THAT'S A TOWN ROAD.
YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO TOWN STANDARDS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND SO, UM, NOW I'M TORN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TAKEN THE POSITION THAT WE HAVE DONE NOTHING REGARDING PLOWING THAT ROAD OR DOING ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD, UH, KICK IN THE HIGHWAY ACT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO, BA BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, SINCE THIS ISSUE CAME UP A FEW WEEKS AGO, IT'S THE POSITION OF OUR OFFICE THAT THE ROAD IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, I, I, I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT, UM, AND THAT IT SHOULD FALL UNDER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COUNTRY CLUB.
UM, BASED ON ALL THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE SO FAR, THAT THAT IS OUR CURRENT POSITION, SHOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE NECK DECK? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SHOULD WE BASICALLY BE MEMORIALIZING IT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, NOBODY COULD, I BELIEVE THERE'S LANGUAGE THERE, THERE IS A REFERENCE THAT BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT IT'S A TOWN ROAD THAT THAT'S, THAT'S IN A DOCUMENT.
AND, AND CAN WE CLARIFY THAT THE SEWERS AND PIPES AND HYDRANTS ARE NOT ROAD, WERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SERVICES THAT ARE GO TO THE SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH AND THE NEARBY RESIDENCES AND, AND, AND THE CLUB, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED ROAD OR ROADWORKS.
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COMMONPLACE FOR UTILITIES TO RUN, UH, THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY.UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ALTERNATIVE.
THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S THE PRESENCE OF HYDRANTS, THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A TOWN ROAD.
AND I, I MENTIONED THE FACT THAT, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT, THAT THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, ACTUALLY THE PASTOR WANTED TO BE HERE AND HE TRIED TO LOG ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE COULDN'T OR NOT, BUT THE FACT IS THAT IF, IF IT'S NOT, WHAT IS IT? A COMMON DRIVEWAY SO THAT NOW IF A COMMON DRIVEWAY, THEN THE, YOU SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL AND THE, AND THE, AND THE CHURCH AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF ONE WAY, IF IT GOES ONE WAY, 'CAUSE IF THAT'S A COMMON DRIVEWAY, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AT THE PROPERTY OF, OF THE GOLF COURSE.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A COMMON DRIVEWAY FOR BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL.
BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WELL, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF US NOW FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
LOOK, YOU, YOU, YOU NEED TO DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.
BUT I, I THOUGHT THE AGREEMENT OR THE SOLUTION THAT YOU SHOULD APPROVE THE WHOLE SIDE PLAN WITH, WITH SOME MORE CONVERSATION ON, ON, ON WHERE TO, WHERE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK, I THOUGHT IT WAS AGREEABLE TO ME.
AND BY THE WAY, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANYTHING, ANYTHING TO DO WITH SEEKER.
IT DOES NOT, IT SECRETS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BEFORE WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE, ARE GOING TO BE CORRECTED LATER.
YOU CAN ASK YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A, A A, A WAY THAT COULD BE DONE.
DID COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHE WANTED TO SAY? NO, I JUST, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I DID SPEAK TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ON, ON JENNIFER HILL AND MANNY.
UM, I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE ARE NOT RE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE FULL CIVIC ASSOCIATION, UM, THEY ALL WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT WHERE THE SIDEWALK WOULD DECIDED WHERE THE SIDEWALK WAS GOING TO BE.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WHEN WE WERE ON THE SITE VISIT, NOT ONLY DID THE SCHOOL AGREE, BUT THE CHURCH, IT WAS A CHURCH THAT REPRESENTED, THAT WAS ON SITE, WAS ADAMANT THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THAT SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE.
SO I JUST, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT ROAD.
UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD JUST TO, TO THE APPLICANT.
AND NOT THAT I'M SIDING WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND WITNESSED, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE FAIR, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE STATED AT THAT SITE VISIT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HOLD THOSE ON FOR RECORD.
SO, AND THEN, UM, BUT UM, THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, IT'S AN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT'S ON THE RECORD AS, UM, IS STATED TODAY.
I JUST ALSO JUST GOT A TEXT REGARDING THAT AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN THE RECORD.
SO THE QUESTION CAN, UH, FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL IS, UH, FOR THE, WELL, FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS, UH, DO YOU THINK THE WORDING IN THE APPROVAL IN ANY WAY PUTS US IN A POSITION OF, OF IT BECOMING A TOWN ROAD BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WORDED? I DID NOT HAVE THAT CONCERN WHEN I WENT OVER THE WORDING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER DAIN WHEN THIS WAS BEING DRAFTED.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONCERN EITHER.
SO I, CAN I ADD SOMETHING? SURE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR WE'RE NOT TAKING A POSITION.
I, AND I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED IT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NOTHING YOU DO IN A RESOLUTION HAS ANY IMPACT ON WHETHER YOU HAVE A TOWN ROAD OR NOT.
THE ISSUES OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS DEDICATED AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST OR WHATEVER YOU DO HERE, HAVING SAID, WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT IT IS OR IT ISN'T.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S EVER GONNA DO THE RESEARCH.
'CAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT, AS WAS POINTED OUT, IF IT IS PRIVATE, THIS IS THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE TAKING, THEN IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL FOR THEIR HALF AND FOR US, FOR OUR HALF, AND FOR YEARS, THE CLUB AS A VOLUNTEER HAS MAINTAINED THAT ROAD BECAUSE WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A QUESTION HERE OF SOMEBODY TRYING TO PULL ONE OVER ON THE TOWN OR ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU ASKED THE QUESTION AND MY ANSWER TO YOU IS, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A POSITION ON THAT.
AND IF YOUR COUNSEL IS TELLING YOU, BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU WITH, WITH CERTAINTY THAT NOTHING THAT YOU DO IN THIS RESOLUTION WITH RESPECT TO A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR US HAS ANY IMPACT ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A TOWN ROAD.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE JUST, IT'S A FACT.
YES OR NO ON WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
AND JUST SO MY POSITION IS CLEAR IS THERE'S PLENTY OF, UM, OF COMMENTARY IN THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY USED FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC, EXCEPT WHEN PEOPLE JUST HAPPEN
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TO GO DOWN THE WRONG WAY.BEFORE I WOULD APPROVE ACTUALLY HAVING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT ON A ROUTINE BASIS, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE APPLICANT IMPROVE THE ROAD.
AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S A TOWN ROAD TO IMPROVE IT TO A POINT WHERE THERE COULD BE CARS PASSING AND THERE COULD BE TWO LANES BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW U CREATING A USE OF A ROAD THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST FOR VEHICLES.
AND WE HA AND WE HAVE DONE THAT TO THE SATISFACTION OF YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
SO, UH, THE CONDITION IN HERE SAYS THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE AND SNOW REMOVAL OF ALL PRIVATE ROADWAYS AND DRIVEWAYS IMPROVED AS PART OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK.
SO THAT WOULD INDICATE TO ME IF THERE, THERE WOULD, ARE WE CON CONSIDERING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ROADWAY AND, UM, THEIR IMPROVEMENT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
BOTH THE, UM, JUNIPER, THE, YOU KNOW, UH, WEST OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD, AS WELL AS THE OFFSHOOT OF THAT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, GOES TRAVERSES THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, SO THAT IS INTENDED TO BE INCLUSIVE OF BOTH OF THOSE SPANS.
AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, CONTRACTS SHOULD BE WRITTEN SO THAT THEY MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY LATER ON.
AND SO I'M, I'M PROBABLY LEAVING HERE WITH MANNY, NOT HAPPY WITH ME.
GOLF COURSE NOT HAPPY WITH ME.
IT'S JUST THAT I JUST LIKE TO BE, I JUST LIKE TO BE YEAH.
BUT S A ONE
I THINK SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT, THAT NOW YOU, YOU YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS WATER ISSUE THAT'S FLOWING AND, AND AS, UH, MR. KINGS, UH, STATED, WELL THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED LATER.
CAN I, CAN I WEIGH IN ON THAT REAL QUICK? OKAY.
ZACH PEARSON, INSIDE ENGINEERING, UH, ENGINEER FOR THE ATTORNEY OR ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE HIGH POINT IN THE PORTION, THE HIGH POINT IN THE IMPROVED PORTION OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF FAIR STREET, SUCH THAT US CREATING A SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH A CURB ALLOWS MOST OF THAT WATER, I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY 80% AND 80 TO 90% OF THAT WATER TO FLOW DOWN TOWARDS THE CLUB, INTO THE CLUB DRIVEWAY, INTO THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR STORMWATER TREATMENT ON THE CLUB PROPERTY.
THE HIGH POINT OF THAT ROAD IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF FAIR STREET.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PITCHING DOWNHILL FROM OUR ENTRANCE THE ENTIRE WAY.
THE ACTUAL HIGH POINT IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN ON THE WIDTH.
I I I, YOU KNOW, THE NOTES ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE ADDED STATE THAT THE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE PAVING TO A WIDTH OF 18 FEET MM-HMM.
FOR THE IMPROVED PORTION OF JUNIPER ROAD, WHICH IS 20 FEET BEYOND THE ENTRANCE OF THE MAIN FACILITY ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE INTERSECTION.
SO THAT WOULD BE, SO THAT WAS, THAT CLEARS UP MANNING YOUR CONCERN.
I KNOW YOU QUESTIONED THAT, THAT NOTE IS ON THE DRAWING.
AND FOR YOUR EDIFICATION, WE HAVE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON DRAINAGE ON THE GOLF COURSE IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
AND THERE'S SUCH AN IMPROVED CONDITION ALL THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
I, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE IS AS IMPORTANT TO US AS IT IS TO YOU IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, THAT, THAT IT DRAINS PROPERLY.
AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE, WE, WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR EYE ON.
CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME AND, AND, AND PAYING ATTENTION.
UM, AS LONG AS ALL THESE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED, UM, I'M, I'M, I'M STILL NOT UNHAPPY ABOUT, I'M STILL UNHAPPY ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE SIDEWALK, BUT IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ANYONE, PROCEED, YOU KNOW, I CAN ONLY BRING UP MY, WHAT I, WHAT I'VE HEARD AND WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM, NOT ONLY FROM ME, BUT FROM, UH, EXPERTS THAT I'VE, UH, THAT I'VE, UH, ANYWAYS.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR, IT'S MUCH CONCERNS.
IT'S A MUCH BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT INTO THIS.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PART OF IT YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH.
BUT RAISING THOSE COMMENTS AND HAVING THEM BUILT IN AND HAVING DIFFERENT REVISIONS IS FOR THE BETTER.
CAN I ADD, YOU KNOW, I THINK METROPOLIS IS A GREAT NEIGHBOR AND, UH, ALL WAY BACK TO THE, UH, BRIGHTVIEW.
I, I, I STOOD BY THEM AND I WANTED THEM TO DO THEIR PROJECT.
'CAUSE I WANT 'EM TO BE HERE FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED DAYS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT.
I'D RATHER HAVE THEM THERE THAN A WHOLE BUNCH OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE CONDOMINIUMS OR, OR SOMETHING.
NO, IT WILL BE IN A FEW MINUTES.
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BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.AND I'D LIKE TO SAY SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S, UH, SIX 14 COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON.
DO YOU MIND IF I SIT IN YOUR SEAT?
DO YOU WANNA JUST MENTION THAT BRIEFLY? SIT DOWN.
CHIEF NIGHT SHIFT JUST SENT OUT THE INVOICES.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? IT'S THE CHAIR MOVING.
CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
SO, NY SHIFT SENT OUT, UM, THE UPDATED RATES FOR 2023.
NIGHT SHIFT IS OUR MEDICAL INSURANCE.
AND THEY INCREASED A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
SO THEY'VE INCREASED ALMOST 15% FOR FAMILY PLAN, 23% FOR, UM, FOR MED ONE, AND OVER 13% FOR SINGLE.
SO WHAT HAD WE PROJECTED? YES, WE HAD PROJECTED LIKE A 10% INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARDS.
WHAT'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT? AND SO I WENT IN AND I QUICKLY RAN THE NUMBERS TODAY AND BETWEEN ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT IT'S GONNA HIT, COMING UP WITH PRETTY MUCH A $2.4 MILLION INCREASE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS FROM THE STATE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT, THAT, THAT LOVELY NEWS CAME FROM
WELL, WHEN YOU FINISHED, ARE YOU GONNA PEEL US OFF THE FLOOR AFTER
SO ALL THE UNI I KNOW ALL MY FELLOW CONTROLLERS ARE NOT THRILLED WITH THAT ONE
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RATE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES, IT SHOULD BE ROUGHLY IN THE TOWN AND TALK.
THIS ONE IS A 1% IS 8 0 7 SAYS IT, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT A HALF A PERCENT IN THE A FUND.
AND IN THE B FUND GONNA BE MORE, IT LOOKS TO BE LESS THAN THAT IN THE B FUND.
'CAUSE A 1% INCREASE IN THE B FUND WOULD BE 4.8 MILLION.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S SHOWING ROUGHLY 1.5 INCREASE IN THE B FUND.
BUT THE MAJORITY, SO BASICALLY IT'S THE MAJORITY OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE IN THE B FUND.
'CAUSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, NO, BECAUSE 1% IN THE B FUND DOLLAR AMOUNT IS 4.8 MILLION VERSUS IN THE A FUND, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS SO RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
SO IN TERMS OF LIKE THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THERE STILL WOULD BE OVER A 5% DECREASE IN THE TAX RATE? YES.
ASSUMING THERE ARE ANOTHER CHANGES.
SO IN THE A FUND, A 1% INCREASE IS 807,000.
SO NOW THAT WE START ON SUCH A WONDERFUL NOTE,
SO CHIEF, GOOD EVENING, YOUR HONOR.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I, I BROUGHT MY RESIDENT EXPERT FIRST BUDGET MEETING.
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BOTH OF YOU.HOPE EVERYONE HAD A NICE THANKSGIVING.
SO THE GOAL IS TO, UH, HAVE A BIGGER TAX CUT, RIGHT? YES.
SO, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU HAVE OR CHANGES? WHAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN ASKING LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS IS, UM, IF YOU HAVE LIKE AN INCREASE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO TRY TO OFFSET IT WITH, UM, SOME FORM OF DECREASES SO WE COULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE TAX RATE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY PERSONAL GOAL.
I WOULD START WITH, UH, BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD THE CAPTAIN HAD TODAY, UM, THERE WERE NO CHANGES.
COULD YOU JUST MOVE THE BACK UP? THERE WERE NO CHANGES.
WE WERE GONNA REQUEST TONIGHT TO THE PROJECTED BUDGET AS SUBMITTED.
SO THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO HIS PROJECTED BUDGET.
YOU DIDN'T DO THE SLASHING THOUSAND DOLLARS HERE AND $500 THERE.
LIKE WE'VE SEEN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN THERE, THERE WERE SOME REDUCTIONS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOUR ULTIMATE PROPOSED BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO YOUR ORIGINAL PROPOSED BUDGET, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE BOARD HAS, WHAT WE HAVE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES MADE TO THAT SINCE THE LAST TO THE TENTATIVE BUDGET.
THE TENTATIVE BUDGETS AN TENTATIVE BUDGET SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION WITH THE SUPERVISOR.
THE NEGOTIATION WAS HAD IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND WE COULD LIVE WITH THE BUDGET.
ANY ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANTED TO SAY IN ADDITION? I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN SEE HE'S GRINNING UNDERNEATH THAT MASK.
HE, HE KNOWS, HE KNOW SOMETHING THAT HE'S GOTTEN AWAY WITH IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
OKAY, SO THEY'VE SET THE STANDARD.
NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, COMMUNITY.
NEXT WE'LL HAVE, UH, D P W D P W CHIEF.
HOW ARE YOU GUYS? WE HOPE YOU'RE AS AWESOME.
SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE ASKING IS IF, IF THERE'S ADDITIONS, UH, TO OFFSET IT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, CUT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.
SO WE COULD KEEP TO THE TAX RATE REDUCTION.
I'M GONNA PASS IT IN THAT WAY.
IS THAT EVERYBODY? SOME POINT? FRANCIS? I'M STILL, I'M STILL PRESS.
UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT, COMING OUTTA THE COVID, IT'S BEEN A REAL, UM, UPTICK IN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE'S WANTING OF THINGS TO BE SANITIZED AND CLEANED AT A MORE REGULAR SCHEDULE.
UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS THAT THE FACILITIES ARE OPEN PER WEEK, IT'S ABOUT 400 HOURS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR FACILITIES.
IF YOU LOOK AT, MAYBE IF YOU COULD BRING THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER.
SO FOR THE FACILITIES THAT THE D P W MAINTAINS, IT'S BASICALLY, UH, THE HIGHEST INTENSITY IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY OPEN 24 7 TOWN JUSTICE COURT, WATER AND SEWER GARAGE, SOME PUMP STATIONS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS YARDS, UM, TOWN OF GREENBURG, PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE NATURE CENTER, UM, LOIS, UH, BRONZE PART
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OF T D T D Y C C.UM, AND WHEN WE DID THE HOURS AND WE LOOKED AT THE CLEANERS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SHORT.
SO WE WERE LOOKING TO UP THAT JUST TO COVER BETTER THE FACILITIES WE HAD.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA KILL US, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK REQUESTED AS WE CAME OUT OF THE COVID.
WE'VE TRIED TO DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THE BUILDINGS UP, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE DON'T MEET THE MARK.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE PAST THAT.
I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH ON TARGET.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS YEAR, UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH DIESEL ELECTRIC, WE'VE BEEN, UH, ROBERTA'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH US.
UM, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO COVER THESE LINES THAT HAVE GONE NOW DEFICIENT.
AND, UH, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO BE CREATIVE TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR TO GET SOME OF THESE LINES COVERED.
BUT I THINK IN SANITATION ALONE, $300,000 OVER ON DIESEL.
THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY PROBLEMATIC.
YOU'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, INCREASING SOME OF THE, UH, THE PERMIT FEES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, A WHILE BACK YOU WERE, THERE ARE SOME CODE CHANGES THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AND I, I GOTTA THANK JOE AND HIS TEAM, UM, THAT ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH US.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME TWEAKING GOING ON, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT THAT'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS SOON.
SO THAT WOULD BE, WHEN WOULD YOU THINK, WELL, THIS IS ON US NOW, SO WE'RE JUST WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
THE BIDS JUST DID COME BACK ON THE WATER, UH, BIDS.
SO WE, ONCE THOSE ARE TABULATED AND GET A REAL HAND ON, AND IT'S CHANGING CONSTANTLY.
YOU KNOW, NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TRAIN STRAIGHT NEXT WEEK.
IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE WHAT WE DO DRAMATICALLY.
AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED, UM, I THINK LAST WEEK WHEN, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN YOUR OFFICE, I, YOU KNOW, WE WERE MENTIONING WITH CON ED THAT WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, RIP UP THE STREETS, UH, WE COULD, WE COULD PASS THE LAW.
LIKE I THINK SCARSDALE HAS ONE SAYING THAT ALL SIDES OF THE THE ROAD HAVE TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, REPAVED, WHICH COULD HELP US WITH OUR REPAVING.
SO WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CONED.
IN FACT, THE ODDS HEIGHTS AREA, WHICH WAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETELY DESTROYED, KIND OF, UH, WILL BE CUTTING US A CHECK, I BELIEVE FOR HALF OF THE COST OF THE PAVING IN THAT AREA.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TOWARDS IS, UH, UH, SOME CODES THEY HAVE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE IF THE ROAD IS WITHIN A CERTAIN, WITHIN FIVE YEARS, IT'S OF IT BEING RECENTLY RESURFACED.
BECAUSE LIKE, I KNOW LIKE HILLSIDE AVENUE, WE GOT A GRANT TO DO, UM, A SIDEWALK.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN DELAYED BECAUSE CONED IS GONNA NOW TEAR UP THE ROAD.
AND IT TOOK US LIKE YEARS TO GET THE STATE TO REPAVE THE ROAD.
SO THEY JUST REP PAVED IT LAST YEAR AND NOW IT'S GONNA BE TORN UP NEXT YEAR OR, OR LATER THIS YEAR.
WHICH IS LIKE A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE KNEW THAT, WE WOULD'VE TOLD THEM TO DO CENTRAL AVENUE OR NORWOOD ROAD OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I'M BICYCLING AROUND, YOU KNOW, I KEEP SEEING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IT'S NOT ONLY GREENBURG, BUT IT'S ALL OVER.
THERE'S ROADS THAT WERE JUST STUNNED.
AND THEN, AND I KNOW THEY SAY THEY STAY IN TOUCH WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT OBVIOUSLY WELL THEY STAY IN TOUCH JUST TO SAY, WE'RE COMING IN AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
BUT THEY DON'T COORDINATE THE, THE, THE UTILITIES DON'T COORDINATE WITH THE, THE VILLAGE TOWN AND CITY D PWS AND TO COORDINATE PAVING SCHEDULE, WHATEVER THEY, THEY DON'T BETTER.
THIS IS A PROBLEM PRETTY UNIVERSALLY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING BETTER.
THEY'RE TRYING, FOR INSTANCE, OLEY HEIGHTS, WE HAD RECURED THAT AREA THREE YEARS AGO AND WE WERE GONNA PAVE IT THE NEXT YEAR.
AND LUCKILY WE DID NOT START THAT WORK EARLY.
'CAUSE CONNE CAME IN AND THEY LITERALLY TORE THE HELL OUT OF ALL AREA.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS JUST, JUST RECENTLY SINCE, BUT HAD WE, THAT'VE BEEN A NIGHTMARE.
BUT I REMEMBER EVEN HILLCREST ROAD, WE DID A SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, ASPHALT SIDEWALK.
AND, AND WITHIN A YEAR THEY TORE IT UP, YOU KNOW, I WAS ALL EXCITED.
WE, THEY PUT THE SIDEWALK UP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER PRACTIC, A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER WE DID IT.
YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WITH PAVING TOO, IT'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
SO OUR SCHEDULE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT HAPPENED TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR.
'CAUSE YOU GET DIVERTED, YOU HAVE EMERGENCIES PROBLEMS COME UP WITH CON ED, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT THEY DEAL WITH IS EMERGENCY BASED.
WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE'LL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS GROUP.
BUT OFTENTIMES THEY PLAN A PROJECT IN ONE AREA, BUT THEN OFTENTIMES AN EMERGENCY WILL COME UP SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY HAVE TO ADJUST.
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OH, SO SOMETIMES THERE COULD BE LIKE A ROAD, THERE MAY BE LIKE A BREAK IN A PIPE OR SOMETHING.AND THEN THEY'LL SAY, OH, WE'RE GONNA DO NOW THIS WHOLE ROAD WHEN THEY HADN'T PLANNED IT.
SOMETIMES THEIR PRIORITIES WILL CHANGE DEPENDING UPON, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE SIMILAR TO OUR WATER SYSTEM, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BREAKS ON A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, LENGTH OF PIPE, THAT'S A, AN AREA THAT YOU'RE GONNA DESIGNATE AS A PRIORITY THAT YOU WANNA REPLACE.
SO THERE'S INCREASED DEMAND ON YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS AND, UH, INITIATIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU, YOU'RE SATISFIED THAT THE PERSONNEL THAT YOU HAVE IN THE 2023 BUDGET WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT WORKLOAD? I HAVE TO TELL YOU, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING POSITIONS.
UM, IT REALLY HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST, THIS, THIS LAST WEEK, LIKE TODAY IS ARD TEN'S LAST DAY WITH THE TOWN FULL TIME.
ARD TEN'S BEEN WITH THE TOWN 40 YEARS, UH, LAST WEEK, 4 0, 4 0.
UH, MICHAEL GRECO, UH, OUR RADIO SHOP, GENERAL FOREMAN, HE RETIRED A WEEK AGO, 37 YEARS.
AND THEY'RE NOT EASILY REPLACED.
'CAUSE I THINK WE WENT BACK, FRANK HAS REALLY BEEN HELPING US.
IN FACT, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THERE ARE A LOT OF FRANKS IN THE WORLD.
YOU KNOW, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, WE, UH, WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A PROBLEM AT THE LIBRARY.
RICH KEL, I CALLED HIM UP, I SAID, FRANK IS GONNA BE COMING OVER.
HE CALLED ME UP AFTERWARDS AND HE SAID, I'M EXCITED.
I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT? HE SAYS, WE'RE GONNA BE LEARNING A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS NOW.
SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SAVINGS THERE BETWEEN THE WORK WE DO BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE, AND YOU GUYS DID, UM, APPROVE, UH, A CONSULTING ENGINEER TO GO OUT TO THIS REGENERON SITE.
AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A BIG TOPIC AT LAND USE.
THIS IS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE PROJECT.
I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE BUILDING A SMALL VILLAGE OR A VILLAGE OR A VILLAGE.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ALL THE RENDERINGS AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS ENGINEERING COMPANY OUT GOING OUT THERE KIND OF COVERING THE TOWN'S END OF IT.
AND IT'S REALLY BEEN WORKING OUT WELL.
AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH BUILDING, THEY'RE LOOKING TO KIND OF DO SOME OF THE SAME, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORTING.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE, I'VE SENT SOME OF THE REPORTS OUT, AT LEAST TO LAND USE.
IT'S SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WE KEEP OURSELVES OUTTA TROUBLE.
I THINK BRIAN COULD PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I THINK BETWEEN THE WORK WE'RE DOING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOW AND OTHER THING, IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE BACK ON STAFF, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOSE 80 YEARS OF, OF EXPERIENCE IN TWO WEEKS, CHUCK MARTINS IS, IS RETIRING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE BRINGING THESE PEOPLE BACK AS BRIDGES UNTIL WE COULD FIND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SCARSDALE WAS LOOKING FOR A POSITION SIMILAR TO CHUCK'S, IT WAS OVER TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY COULD FIND SOMEBODY.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE BEFORE WE COULD JUST GO OUT AND GRAB SOMEONE.
A LOT OF THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT COM WE'RE NOT COMPETITIVE WITH THEM.
THERE'S A LOT MORE THEY HAVE TO OFFER.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE COMPANIES ALLOW PEOPLE TO WORK FROM HOME.
NOW IT'S, IT, WE JUST CAN'T COMPETE.
SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING, BUT IT IS, SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN IN THE MEANTIME TO BRIDGE THOSE, THOSE GAPS.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN DILU RELATIVELY WELL.
YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK WE'RE UNIQUE IN THAT THERE'S SOME POSITIONS THAT REQUIRE CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS.
LIKE TO THAT POINT WITH THE CHIEF TREATMENT PLAN OPERATOR POSITION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN CERTIFICATION THROUGH NEW YORK STATE.
UM, AND SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CANDIDATES NECESSARILY OUT THERE.
AND SO THAT'S SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING IN REPLACING SOME OF THESE POSITIONS IS FINDING QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.
UM, BUT TO THAT POINT, LIKE RICH MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE REGENERON PROJECT, WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THAT WITH CONSULTANTS AND BRINGING BACK, UM, EMPLOYEES THAT THEY CAN HELP THROUGH THAT TRANSITION AS WE GO THROUGH, UH, TRYING TO REPLACE THEM.
UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
I I, IT'S JUST, IT'S PHENOMENAL TO BE OVER IN THE REGENERON CONSTRUCTION SITE WHERE THEY EVEN HAVE MULTIPLE GENERAL MANAGERS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SUCH A BIG PROJECT GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
AND HOW THEY KEEP TRACK OF IT IS JUST PHENOMENAL HOW TOWN STAFF CAN KEEP TRACK OF IT.
THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH GOING ON.
EVEN IF WE SENT EVERY INSPECTOR OVER THERE TO SPEND EVERY MOMENT OF THE DAY THERE, UM,
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IT'S, WHAT IS IT, $1.8 BILLION PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLE.AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS ALSO STAYING ON TOP OF THE CURRENT WORK THAT'S COMING IN.
RIGHT? SO LAST YEAR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PROCESSED THERE WAS AROUND 211 SLOPE PERMITS, UM, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT OF STORMWATER PERMITS.
UH, THIS YEAR WE'RE ON TRACK TO DO CLOSE TO ALMOST 200 AS WELL.
SO ON TOP OF THAT PROJECT, THERE'S PERMITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY COMING IN.
I THINK SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN THROUGH THE PANDEMIC WAS A LOT MORE PERMITS HAVE BEEN COMING IN.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY OR INVESTING A LOT MORE IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
AND SO WE'RE JUST SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT ARE COMING IN.
SO THOSE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO REVIEW AND PROCESS.
SO THE REGENERON PROJECT IS JUST ONE PROJECT OF MANY THAT ARE GOING ON.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT WE HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HELP OR THAT ASSISTANCE FROM A CONSULTANT TO KIND OF HELP US OUT SO THAT THOSE OTHER PROJECTS CAN CONTINUE TO GET, UM, REVIEWED AND, AND APPROVED AS WELL.
THE SUPERVISOR WAS MENTIONING FEES, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I HAVEN'T MENTIONED BEFORE.
HAVING LIVED THROUGH THIS AND PAID THOSE FEES, BY THE WAY, AND I, I WAS NOT GOING TO RAISE IT WHILE I WAS ACTUALLY INCURRING THOSE FEES.
UH, BUT I THINK THE STORMWATER PERMIT CALCULATION IS, IS UNFAIR BECAUSE IF YOU PUT IN BETTER KITCHEN CABINETS, YOUR STORM WATER PERMIT GOES UP BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE TOTAL COST OF A PROJECT.
IT REALLY SHOULD BE BASED ON HOW MUCH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A NICER STAIRS, THE STORM WATER PERMIT GOES UP, UH, IT IT, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF A NEXUS BETWEEN THEM.
THE OTHER ONES THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, BUT ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, UM, YOU PUT A DIFFERENT COUNTER IN THE KITCHEN, YOUR STORM WATER PERMIT GOES UP,
UM, BUT THAT ONE'S THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THERE REALLY SHOULD BE A NEXUS BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE CHARGING AND WHAT IT'S BASED ON.
SO NOW WE'LL GO WITH FRANK MOTO
WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
I DO WANT TO THANK JOE AND HIS TEAM REALLY.
THEY'VE BEEN REALLY TERRIFIC HELPING US OUT.
AMANDA IS A GREAT NEW ADDITION.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER VERY WELL.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT'S ALL THOSE PAPERCLIP THINGS THAT YOU HAVE THERE? OH, IT'S BRIAN'S WORK.
HE DOES, HE DOES ALL THE HARD WORK.
THESE AREN'T JUST ALL THE BUDGETS AND OH, OKAY.
SO COULD YOU, COULD I JUST CLARIFY, SO THE LINES ARE IN THE 2023 BUDGET, THEY'RE FUNDED, BUT YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE FILLING THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND PEOPLE.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WE'VE STRUGGLED THE LAST YEAR GETTING EVEN APPLICATIONS CHECK FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT OF FIGURED THEY WERE HERE FIRST.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH GOING ON.
I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOUR RESPONSE WAS.
SO WE, WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO EVEN GET APPLICATIONS, UH, TWO DEPARTMENTS.
ONE IS OUR, OUR SIGN SHOP, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, OVERSEEN BY ROBERT WILLIAMS. HE IS DOWN FOUR SPOTS.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO HIT CERTAIN, UM, QUALIFICATION, YOU KNOW, MARKS WELL WITH THE STATE ACTUALLY.
AND TO FIND PEOPLE WITH THE, IT'S, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, REALLY STRUGGLING, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE THE LINE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET FOR THOSE POSITIONS.
IT'S JUST FILLING THE CAN'T FILL IT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'VE HAD AN ASSISTANT ENGINEER OPENING NOW FOR SEVEN MONTHS, UH, YEAH, ALMOST SINCE JUNE.
IS IT THE SALARY WE'RE OFFERING OR IS IT THAT THEY'RE, I I THINK WE, WE, AT SOME POINT, SORRY, ROBERTA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SALARY STRUCTURE.
UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, I DON'T THINK WE KEPT UP WITH THE TITLES AND THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR EACH TITLE.
AND THEY HAVE CHANGED, UM, FAMILIAR.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT IT'S CHANGED AND THERE ARE SOME TITLES THAT GET PAID MORE THAN TITLES THAT REQUIRE MORE EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.
AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOTTA BE LOOKED AT.
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WELCOME FRANK.DID WE GET THEY'RE ACTUALLY COLLATED.
I'M GONNA BEHAVE
IS IT ALL CENTER? I'M NOW GINA.
SO MAYBE YOU COULD JUST GO OVER, UM, A NEW BUDGETS AND IF THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL REVENUES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFSET SOME OF THE INCREASES THAT YOU'RE SEEKING.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE, THE REVENUE LINES FAR EXCEED WHAT WE ANTICIPATED FOR 2022.
WHERE WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.
SO THE 2022, UM, ESTIMATE ACTUALLY COVERS OUR 2023 BUDGET, UM, FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE ESTIMATING, UM, SEVERAL LARGE SCALE PROJECTS COMING IN, UM, WHICH WILL FAR EXCEED THE, UH, THE OPERATING BUDGET RULES THAT I PROPOSED YEAR.
THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CERTAIN TO COME IN.
HOW, HOW MUCH, UH, UH, WE PUT IN, WHY WAS IT 4.7? 4.7? YEAH.
AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WE COULD GO UP RIGHT NOW IT'S GONNA BE FOUR.
IT'S DEFINITE FOR PROBABLY 4.7, UM, TO COME IN BASED ON THE, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE YOU, COULD YOU SEE US, IF YOU WERE ASKING, YOU KNOW, FROM 1.5 TO A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION, DO YOU THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD RE CONSERVATIVELY GET SAY ANOTHER 500 OR, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND OR SOMETHING FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE GOT 6 MILLION IN ALREADY.
ARE WE? YEAH, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT FOR 2020 2, 2 20, 23 23.
BUT IF WE'RE OVER ON WHAT WE PREDICTED FOR 22, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, THAT THAT EXCESS COVERS 23 ALSO COVER.
YEAH, NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HAVING A, AND I'M NOT OBJECTING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT SINCE I'M ASKING ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IF THEY COULD, SO THERE ARE OTHER REVENUE LINES THAT WE'RE EXPLORING.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS THE LEGALIZATION FEES.
RIGHT NOW THE FEES ARE DOUBLED, WHICH REALLY ISN'T A PENALTY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WITHOUT PERMITS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN DOING A COMPARISON.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PERMIT THAT THE STATE IS NOW REQUIRING IT'S EMERGENCY RADIO COVERAGE.
THAT ISN'T GONNA BE ANOTHER REVENUE LINE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING IN.
UM, SO THE, YOU WANT TO SAY WHAT THAT IS? THE EMERGENCY RADIO COVERAGE IS COVERAGE THROUGHOUT HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS.
ANYTHING OVER FOUR STORIES THAT REQUIRES, UM, EMERGENCY RESPONDERS TO HAVE COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
IT'S A SPECIAL COMMUNICATIONS THAT PULL BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EMERGENCY SERVICES.
BUT YOU THINK, SAY BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND DECEMBER, THAT COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPENSATE FOR THE INCREASES THAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES.
SEE THEN, THEN I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS BECAUSE I FEEL THAT ALL THAT YOU LIVING WITHIN YOUR BUDGET
UM, ONE THING WE DID WANNA TALK ABOUT, AND I'M GOING TO LET FRANK, UH, DISCUSS IT MORE, IS WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE.
AND THAT IS NOT, UH, AS THE TOWN BOARD HAS APPROVED THE RESOLUTIONS FOR I C C TO DO PLAN REVIEW FOR THE LARGE SALE SPECIALTY PROJECTS LIKE THE REGENERON, HACKLEY,
UM, WE'RE ALSO ASKING SIMILAR TO D P W TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR ON SITE AT THE REGENERON PROJECT TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY FACETS, UH, OF THE PROJECT THAT ARE GOING
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ON AT ONCE.UM, JUST DURING OUR SHORT SITE VISIT THAT WE WENT, UM, TO LAST WEEK.
UM, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON, UH, THAT'S NOT BEING CALLED FOR AND COVERED THAT HAVING AN ONSITE PERSON LIKE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS IS PRICELESS BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING PICTURES, THEY'RE GETTING LIVE DATA HAPPENING ON A DAILY BASIS AND THEY'RE GETTING REPORTS IN.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, VERY GOOD IDEA.
SO YES, THIS IS THE CONSULTING COMPANY THAT, THAT'S THE CONSULT COMPANY THE TOWN HAS USED BEFORE.
AND WE'VE MET WITH KELNER SESSION PW, UH, USED AND WE'D ASKED THEM IF THEY CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THEY SAID NO, THEY'RE NOT, UH, QUALIFIED FOR THAT.
SO WE REACHED OUT WITH GARRETT AND BOTH RICH AND TALKED ABOUT THIS COMPANY AND, UH, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH GREENBERG AND GARRETT'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
IS THIS SOMETHING, AND SO THIS IS ALSO INCLUDED IN WHAT HAS IS ALREADY COVERED WITH YOUR PROJECTED.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, OUR PROCUREMENT, YOU KNOW, POLICIES.
UH, SO YOU REACHED OUT TO ONE OTHER COMPANY, RIGHT? YES.
ARE THERE, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, UH, SINCE YOU'RE PUTTING THIS IN FOR THE 2023 BUDGET, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD HAVE JUST DONE LIKE A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF IT TURNED, AND THIS WAY AT LEAST WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF INVITING OTHERS TO COMPETE.
WE WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMPANIES THAT DO THIS.
IT'S, IT'S A LIMITED, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON LIKE THE WEB SURE.
SITE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUBLICIZING AND IT COMPLIANCE AND THIS WAY, THIS WAY WE'RE NOT HOLDING YOU UP.
AND THEN SAY BY THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, THEN YOU COULD PICK WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER YOU THINK IS, YOU KNOW, IS GREAT.
AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A SIX STORY STRUCTURE.
THIS THING, THIS THING IS MASSIVE.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE, THE PERIMETER.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE PERIMETER OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU.
UM, AND SO WE DESPERATELY NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT.
AND THEY MAY BE HAVING THEIR OWN THIRD PARTY INSPECTORS DOING THIS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GIVING THE DOCUMENTS TO THE TOWN.
AND, AND WE NEED, WE NEED, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY THIRD PARTY INSPECTION THAT'S DONE, THAT IT ACTUALLY GETS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN SO THAT WE CAN FILE IT.
WELL THEN MAYBE WHAT THEY COULD DO IS YOU COULD MAYBE USE A FIRM IMMEDIATELY AND THEN YOU COULD DO A R F P, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP SAFETY.
WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THESE PEOPLE THURSDAY.
I'M NOT, I I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PREFER SPECIALTY INSPECTION, LIKE A BIDDING.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T WANT TO SEE LIKE A GIGANTIC BUILDING GOING UP WITHOUT INSPECTION.
SO THE THING IS, I, I DON'T, SAFETY IS IMPORTANT, THE MOST IMPORTANT, BUT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
EVEN IF, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE AN, EVEN IF YOU CALL PEOPLE GET LIKE A, YOU KNOW, DO LIKE A QUICK, YOU KNOW, BIDDING PROCESS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL PROCUREMENT, THEN AT LEAST IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, WE HAVE TO GET IT DONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, ROBERTA? YEAH.
GINA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE ON, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CAN YOU, A SHORT TERM CONTRACT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, THE, THE THING IS, UM, WE WERE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY OF DOING A, YOU KNOW, OF FANTASTIC JOB, OF DOING THE OVERSIGHT.
SO THE THING IS, IF YOU NEED A, A HIRE AN OUTSIDE FIRM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE, THE, THE STAFF HERE, UM, THEY WOULD BASICALLY DO IT SAY FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
AND IN THE MEANTIME WE COULD DO A, A LONGER TERM BIDDING PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD COVER THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE YEAR.
AND THEN NOBODY COULD SAY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT INSPECTING.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR TO, YEAH.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, JUST TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT.
I HEAR A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON.
SO ARE YOU STATING THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE WORK AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE HAVE A CONTRACT, I MEAN A CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH INSPECTIONS,
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WE'RE GONNA PUT OUT AN R F P SO WE CAN PUT IN A FULL CONTRACT AFTER THAT, A LONG-TERM CONTRACT IN PLACE? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS GOING UP RIGHT NOW.SO THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL JANUARY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BE OKAY, I'M FINE.
I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING EXPECTED.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THIS LIKE A S A P AND SO, AND SO, GINA, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA GO AND CONTRACT SOMEONE TO DO THE WORK TEMPORARILY, THAT'S FINE.
YOU SHOULD BE GETTING TOGETHER YOUR SCOPE OF WORK AND PUTTING THE R F P OUT ON THE STREET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON THURSDAY.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M VERY, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE ENGINEERING, UM, PERSON THAT THEY HAVE AND THE PICTURES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY FORENSIC TYPE PICTURES WHERE THEY, IT REALLY TELLS A STORY OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND PUTTING IN THE PIPES UNDERNEATH.
UM, BUT I'M VERY IMPRESSED EVEN MORE, I WAS IMPRESSED BEING THERE, BUT I'VE IMPRESSED EVEN MORE BY I'M SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO WING IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED ANOTHER COMPANY.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR REGENERON TO SEE THAT WE'RE DOING A REAL QUALITY JOB DOING THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING PERMIT FEES AND THEY SHOULD REALIZE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR, THEIR REAL VALUE.
SO IF THEY FEEL THAT WE'RE CUTTING CORNERS, THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IMPRESSED.
AND IT'S GONNA GIVE A, HAS UPDATE MEETINGS WITH THEM WEEKLY? YEAH.
WE HAVE, UH, MEETINGS EVERY, UH, TUESDAY AT 11 O'CLOCK TO 12 O'CLOCK.
AND YOU'LL BE GETTING THE, UH, THIRD PARTY INSPECTION.
THESE INSPECTIONS ARE COMING IN.
SO THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS, THEY'RE GONNA BE GIVING US DRONE FOOTAGE OF ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S ONGOING.
SO WE CAN SEND THAT TO THE BOARD AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THE, UH, PARKING INSTRUCTOR, I'M TALKING TO THE ENGINEERS ON CERTIFYING WHAT IS BUILT ALREADY.
AND THE ONLY REAL WAY TO DO THAT IS WITH A DRONE.
IT'S JUST, UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO GO OUT THERE, BUT, UH, THE, IT'S JUST SUCH A MASSIVE PROJECT WITHOUT HAVING A DRONE SHOT, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK OR SO, JUST TO SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED THIS WEEK.
AND DID YOU GET PERMITS FOR THIS? MM-HMM.
AND DID YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FILE THE INSPECTIONS FOR THAT? WELL THERE'S, THERE'S THREE MAIN GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WORKING TOGETHER, UM, ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON AND SO MANY DIFFERENT SUBCONTRACTORS THAT ARE ON.
IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP IT ALL TOGETHER.
AND BY THE, UH, BEGINNING OF DECEMBER, FOUR MORE SETS OF PLAN ADS, WHICH ARE MASSIVE.
WHICH WILL GET THE FEES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR 2023.
THE QUALITY OF THE WORK IS JUST PHENOMENAL.
I CAN SET UP, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY WANTS THE SITE MEETING AGAIN, SO EVERYBODY GETS I'D LOVE THAT.
SET THAT UP LIKE WE DID WITH JOE.
THE, UH, THE PEOPLE ARE REGENERON SAID ANYBODY, ANY TIME THEY WILL TAKE THEM ON A SITE TOUR, UM, SHOW THEM THE PHASES OF THE PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON A SHOTS OF THE PROJECT ALSO FOR, THAT'S, THAT'S A CARAVAN OF THE TRUCKS THAT TAKE THE FILL OUT.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST LINED UP WAITING TO GO BEHIND THIS HILL, WHICH I GUESS HAS BEEN PART OF THE EXCAVATION.
AND THEN THEY JUST, FIRST OF ALL, THEY COME IN AND THEY GET WEIGHED EMPTY.
THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT STUPID PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE THE TRUCKS WEIGHED EMPTY AND THEN THEY WAIT THEM AGAIN WHERE THEY'RE LEAVING SO THEY KNOW WHATEVER IS THE ADDITIONAL WEIGHT DIDN'T COME IN WITH THE TRUCK.
SO THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT FOR THEIR INVESTORS, THAT THEY'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, THEIR MONEY'S WORTH, THEIR MONEY'S WORTH.
AND JUST TO SEE THAT THE TRUCKS AS FAR AS THESE MASSIVE TRUCKS, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST WORTHWHILE AND A VERY LONG LINE.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S JUST SO WELL ORCHESTRATED ON THIS MASSIVE PRO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I WILL LINE UP ANOTHER SITE VISIT.
THANK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE AN EXTRA, YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM OUTSIDE? NO.
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TAKE MY HAT BACK BEFORE ELLEN TAKES IT.SO BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING THE SAME THING TO EVERYBODY THAT IF, UH, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONS, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH EQUIVALENT UH, CUTS.
COME UP WITH WHAT EQUIVALENT CUTS TO OFFSET THE ADDITIONS.
UH, WHAT I HANDED OUT IS INFORMATION BASED ON, UM, FOUR LINES TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, AND THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THE BIG ONE, UM, WHICH WAS A REDUCTION, UH, AGAIN, IN OUR PART-TIME AND PART-TIME SEASONAL LINES.
UH, THE COM UM, UH, OUR RESOURCE CENTER, UM, RUNS ON PART-TIME PEOPLE PART-TIME.
SEASONAL MEANS YOU WORK ONLY FOUR MONTHS IN A YEAR, REGULAR PART-TIME.
WE DO HAVE TURNOVER WITHIN OUR PART-TIME AND OUR PART-TIME SEASON IS THAT EITHER YOU START PART-TIME AND CANNOT SWITCH OVER TO PART-TIME SEASON OR YOU START PART-TIME SEASON AND THEN WIND UP SWITCHING OVER.
'CAUSE YOU'RE THERE LONGER THAN THE, THAN THE, UH, FOUR MONTHS.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THE, AS FAR AS NUMBER ONE, WE ARE SHOWING YOU THE HISTORY OF THE BUDGET LINES THAT COME THROUGH, UH, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, KNOWING THAT C O V I D IS IN THERE.
SOMETHING THAT WILL SHOW, MAKE THIS LOOK A LITTLE CRAZY IS THAT, UM, IN WORKING WITH OUR, OUR, UM, OFF, UH, BUSINESS OFFICE, THE CONNECTION THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE PART-TIME AND THE PART-TIME SEASONAL WASN'T ALWAYS PROPER
SOME PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PART-TIME SEASONAL, SOME SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PART-TIME.
AND THAT CAN SHOW UP IN THE DIFFERENCE WHEN IT SAYS THE LINE ITEMS FOR PART-TIME OR PART-TIME SEASONAL.
AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF SPENT, YOU WILL SEE AN OVERAGE THERE.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FILL SOME OF THAT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OPEN POSITIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.
WE GO BACK AND FORTH DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS STAYED IN LINE WITH OUR BUDGET SINCE AT LEAST I'VE BEEN THERE, I BELIEVE A LITTLE BIT BEFOREHAND, HAVE NEVER HAD TO ASK OR HOW TO, UH, AN OVERAGE THAT WE COULD NOT FILL OURSELVES.
UM, BUT IT HAS COME TO BE ENORMOUS BECAUSE WE NEED TO FILL THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
I'VE GOT, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A CERTAIN SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
I'VE GOT ONE FULL-TIME PERSON IN MY BUSINESS OFFICE.
SHE'S GREAT AND EXCELLENT, BUT, UM, UH, ELDER
UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOMEONE THAT WE WERE GROOMING TO TRY AND TAKE OVER THAT POSITION, BUT FELT IT WASN'T FOR HER AND RECENTLY LEFT US.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME.
UM, SO WE HAVE NOT FILLED A POSITION IN THAT BUSINESS OFFICE THAT'S A FULL-TIME POSITION.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GROOM SOMEONE AS A PART-TIMER AND THEN MOVE THEM IN THERE TO BE SURE.
UM, SO THAT'S GONNA FILL, WE JUST HAD TO FILL ANOTHER BUS DRIVER POSITION.
WE ARE FILLING, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE WE HAD ALREADY? UH, LIFEGUARD.
THE LIFEGUARD AS WELL, UM, THAT WE HAD TO FILL.
SO WE ARE LOSING THAT OTHER MONIES THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN TO COVER THESE LINES.
SO IF YOU GO THROUGH THE TIMELINE, YOU'LL SEE THE INCREASE THAT HAPPENED.
YOU'LL SEE 2020 WHERE THERE WAS A DEFINITE INCREASE, BUT OF COURSE COVID CAME AND THAT SLOWED EVERYTHING DOWN.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE TIMES SIMILAR TO THIS YEAR WHERE THERE WAS A MAJOR DECREASE, UM, WHERE PAUL, YOU DID SAY, WELL, IF YOU NEED IT, COME GET IT.
AND NOT ONLY DID WE GET GET THAT, BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY BEYOND THAT.
BUT WE'RE ABLE TO COVER IT, THAT SELL.
AND YET AGAIN, 2003 HERE WE ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION IN OUR PART-TIME AND PART-TIME SEASONAL.
I'VE GOT 23 FULL-TIME PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING, YET I AVERAGE 600 PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT BUILDING EVERY DAY FROM WHAT HAS BEEN FIVE O'CLOCK TO 10 IN THE MORNING TILL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THE MOST USED FACILITY OUT OF EVERYTHING IN HERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN OPERATE LIKE THIS AT THIS TIME.
YOU WILL SEE FOR 2003, 20, 23, EXCUSE ME, WE PUT IN FOR A SMALL AMOUNT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE NORMALLY SPEND OF AN INCREASE
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TO 360 2, UM, ON BOTH LINES.UM, BUT IT CAME BACK WITH A DECREASE OFF OF ORIGINALLY WHAT WE HAD THIS YEAR, WHICH WE HAD TO FIGHT TO GET BACK AS IT WAS.
SO I AT LEAST SURELY NEED WHAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING ON THIS YEAR, BUT FOR US TO INCREASE, LET'S ALSO GO BY THIS IN THIS FIRST YEAR BEYOND THE HIGH LEVELS OF C O I D, OUR NUMBERS ARE ASTRONOMICAL.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN YEARS.
UM, OUR PROGRAMS, WE HAD CUT DOWN TO COVID LEVELS, MEANING KEEPING, PROBABLY TAKING ABOUT ABOUT FIVE TO THREE PEOPLE THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE IN A CLASS.
UM, BUT REMAINING SAFE DOING IT.
OUR CLEANING PRACTICES ARE GREAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, BUT PEOPLE ARE READY TO START USING THE FACILITY AGAIN.
AND WE HAVE NEW PROGRAMS ON THE WAY.
UM, I BELIEVE WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE ARE MANAGING OUR MONEY WELL.
UM, WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPEND, THE WORK THAT, UH, THAT WILL GO FORWARD IN TWO, THREE, AND FOUR THAT DAVID HAS DONE WITH REBUILDING OUR BUILDING AFTER SOMETHING LIKE IDA AND NOT HAVING TO COME TO YOU ALL FOR THE MONEY BY DOING IT THROUGH INSURANCE AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK ADD TO WHAT WE BRING TO THE FACILITY.
SO WHAT'S LIKE THE, IN TERMS OF THE SHORT, WHY DO YOU FEEL WE'RE, UH, WE, HOW MUCH EXTRA DO YOU THINK YOU DO YOU NEED? UH, COMPARED TO WHAT WE GAVE YOU? WELL, I THINK THE, THE REQUESTED IS ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE.
IT SAYS 360 2 COMPARED TO THE THREE 40 AND THE 3 45 ON EACH LINE.
UM, AND WE'RE AT A POINT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS A TOWN WE HAVE TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES THAT WE DO OFFER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW PAUL, YOU ALWAYS GET THE, THE EMAILS FROM ESPECIALLY POOL PATRONS THAT WANT TO EXTEND THE HOURS OF THE FACILITY.
UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO TAKE A HIT.
YOU KNOW, AND IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A HIT LIKE THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO SUFFER SERVICES SOMEWHERE.
AND IF WE HAVE A WAIT LIST LIKE WE DO FOR SUMMER CAMP, THERE'S GONNA BE FAMILIES IN NEED THAT ARE JUST NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SERVICED.
THE SUMMER CAMP, I FEEL WE, THERE'S, I WANT TO PROVIDE THE SUMMER CAMP.
WELL, THIS ALL COMES DOWN TO SERVICES AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, THESE NUMBERS RIGHT FROM THESE LINES DIRECTLY AFFECT SUMMER CAMP.
THAT THAT IS WHAT PART-TIME SEASONAL IS.
SO HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF DOLLAR AMOUNT? YEAH.
YOU ADD UP EVERYTHING, YOU'D GO FROM 3 45 TO 360 2 20 $6,482, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THAT'S NOT FOR THE ONE LINE.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE FOR THE WHOLE, WHICH IS 22,000.
'CAUSE I'M SAYING $22,000 IS NOT GONNA RIGHT.
IT'S NOT WORTH MESSING UP THE CENTER FOR THAT'S, AND, AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WE CAN DO MORE, BUT I'M SAYING I THINK I CAN COVER THAT THEY BOTH OF THESE, BUT I NEED SOMETHING.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET SHORTFALL, LIKE WHY WOULD YOU, IF WE'RE ASKING, I WANT BASICALLY LOOK AT AND THEN SAY TO ROBERTA, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S $40,000 A QUARTER OR 1% OF IT, RIGHT? IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 43,000.
AND, AND I THINK A UH, UM, AN ADDED PIECE TO THIS TOO, IN TERMS OF MAKING, MAKING A DECISION IS, IS YOU GUYS GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE RECEIVE ON THE, ON THE END OF GRANTS, RIGHT? LIKE, UH, WINSOME DOES A LOT OF THE GRANTS FOR THE TOWN, UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE CERTAIN GRANTS THAT WE NEED TO NOT ONLY FULFILL OUR OWN SERVICES, OUR TANF GRANT THAT'S LISTED HERE FOR $56,000, RIGHT? THAT IS NOT, THAT'S ON TOP OF OUR ACTUAL SERVICE.
SO TANF, YOU HAVE TO, TO QUALIFY FOR THAT PROGRAM FINANCIALLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN, UM, LEVEL OF POVERTY TO EVEN QUALIFY FOR TANF MM-HMM.
RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO, TO MEET THAT 56,000, WE PULL THAT MONEY OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE LIKE OPENING UP AT FIVE IN THE MORNING MM-HMM.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE BETWEEN SAY FIVE IN THE MORNING AND SAY SEVEN OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, HAVING, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.
BUT A LOT OF IT IS THE EMAILS, THE PHONE CALLS, YOU GET THE POOL PATRONS.
BUT A LOT OF IT IS THE POOL PATRONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE OPEN UP FOR THOSE LAP SWIMS, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE MISSING ONE, IF NOT TWO SEGMENTS OF POOL PATRONS AND WE CAN PUT AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE IN A LANE.
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SO THAT AUTOMATIC THREE TIMES SIX MM-HMM.AND, AND ROBERTA, UH, OUT OF THE $85,000 THAT COMES BACK IN, IN GRANTS, THAT MONEY IS AUTOMATICALLY, IT, IT COMES OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
AND IT JUST COMES BACK TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IS THAT ACCURATE? WELL, IT DOESN'T HIT OUR BUDGET.
IT, RIGHT? IT NEVER EVEN HITS OUR BUDGET.
SO WE GET THE REVENUE, HITS THE BUDGET, WE HITS THE TOWN'S BUDGET MM-HMM.
TO GET THIS GRANT MONEY, RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL $85,000 TO RECOUP THIS BECAUSE IF WE HIRE INDIVIDUALS, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER BY 85,000, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AT ALL.
BUT, BUT FROM A, FROM A, THEY'RE REQUESTING ABOUT MAKING SENSE.
FROM A COMMON SENSE STANDPOINT.
I THINK, I THINK UNLIKE, OH, I'M SORRY.
IT WAS JUST, YOU SHOULD HAVE A REVENUE PAGE AND WE DO, THESE GRANTS ACTUALLY SHOULD BE LISTED ON THERE.
WELL, WELL, SO THAT, THAT REVENUE, THIS REVENUE HERE, SO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, AS OF 8 31, WHICH IS THE LAST, YOU KNOW, BANKROLL THAT WE HAVE, UM, ON RECORD FOR THE TOWN, RIGHT? IN MUNIS WE'RE $89,000 OVER THE REVENUE GOAL.
AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANY GRANT MONEY THAT CAME BACK, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE RUN OUR PROGRAM LIKE WE ALWAYS DO WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE, WE GET A GRANT, WE EXCEED THE EFFORT THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THAT PROGRAM, WHICH COSTS US MORE MONEY, BUT THAT GRANT MONEY NEVER ACTUALLY COMES BACK TO US.
SO THAT'S WHAT ADDS TO THESE PART-TIME AND PART-TIME SEASONAL LINES.
SO, SO THE TOTAL THAT, UM, IS BEING REQUESTED IS 39,465.
I'M SORRY, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? SAY IT AGAIN? THAT NUMBER 39,465.
YOU'RE ASKING IN THE, FOR THE PART-TIME AND PART-TIME SEASONAL TOTAL, THAT WOULD BE QUITE HELPFUL.
22,465 FOR THE PART-TIME AND 17 EVEN FOR THE PART-TIME SEASONAL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK
BUT, UM, OUR TEAM IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CONFIDENT THAT YOU, PAUL, YOU WANNA SEE THAT MONEY COME BACK, WE CAN RAISE OUR REVENUE GOAL BY THAT AMOUNT.
THEN, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS.
UM, IS THAT FINE WITH YOU? WE CAN DEFINITELY DO SOME WORK WITH REVENUE TO, TO KEEP THAT MOVING.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT US NOW, WE'RE BOOMING
SO I BELIEVE IF THAT'S LOOKED AT IN THAT SENSE, IT WOULD COME BACK MM-HMM.
SO IF WE WENT FROM 1 95 TO EVEN TWO 40, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
SO, SO REALLY IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS THAT WHEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COLLECTS THE MONEY GOES RIGHT BACK INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN YOU MAKE ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN WHEN YOU GUYS EARN DOLLARS, SOME OF THEM DON'T COME BACK.
THE GRANT MONEY DOESN'T COME BACK.
BUT OUR PROGRAM MONEY DOES GO INTO THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVENUE WILL GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, EVERYTHING BE BUDGET.
WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
THAT'S, NO, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
NO, BUT I, NO, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT WHERE WHERE ARE THOSE GRANTS ON THE BUDGET? WHAT WAS THAT? WHERE ARE THOSE GRANTS THAT HE IS LISTING HERE IN THE BUDGET? SHOULD BE IN THE REVENUE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO HAVE DIFFERENT FEES, LIKE RENTAL FEES FOR SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE UNINCORPORATED, YOU HAVE ONE FOR THE OUTSIDERS IF SOMEBODY'S IN A VILLAGE AND OR SOMEBODY SAY, SAY THERE'S A GROUP SAY FROM ANOTHER CITY OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE JUST RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT.
BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE LIKE SOMETHING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ANOTHER LAYER OUT OF STATE PER SE WE'RE OUT OF, OUT OF, OUT OF, OUT OF GREENBURG AND THE VILLAGES.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S LIKE A THREE TIER WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN A VILLAGE, YOU GET LIKE A RULE BENEFIT.
IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF YOU'RE TOTALLY OUT OF GREENBURG, THEN YOU DON'T YOU, BECAUSE EVEN, YOU KNOW, IF, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE IN, IN THE B BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL STAFF AND THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MYSELF AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL STAFF IN THE A BUDGET.
THAT IS BASICALLY SPENDING TIME ON, UM, ON COMMUNITY CENTER ACTIVITIES.
I WILL SAY THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH OF THAT.
THE ONES THAT THERE ARE ARE USUALLY LIKE, UH, A MOVIE COMPANY.
WHAT PAGE 82? YEAH, I I GET THEM
ARE WE GETTING HONEST, TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE NEEDY FAMILIES.
THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S LISTED IN THE BUDGET I THINK IS DIFFERENT THAN IT JUST SAYING TANF HERE ON, ON THE SPREADSHEET.
BUT THAT, AND THAT'S BEEN A PRETTY CONTINUOUS GRANT
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THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR SURE.ABOUT CROSSROADS CORNER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO YOU LIKE THIS TO BE YEAH, THAT'S TO 67 FOR A MINUTE.
THAT'S ALL IN THE BUDGET AS WELL, BUT I'M JUST PROBABLY HAVE DIFFERENT TITLES WE LISTED THE PROGRAMS THAT WE UTILIZE, IT'S NOT JUMPING OUT 21, UH, PART-TIME LINES.
IT GOT ADJUSTED, WHEREAS A PART-TIME LINE, UH, HERE FROM HERE, YEAH.
UH, 30, THOSE TWO, THEY GOT ADJUSTED BACK TO 3 52 AND 3 42.
UH, THE CROSSROADS MIGHT BE UNDER SOME, UH, SUMMER THAT IS NOT IN, THESE ARE ACTUALLY PROBABLY, UH, SUMMER TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WAS THAT ALL THAT WAS SPENT? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MERGED.
I HAVE IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AS WELL, BUT OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, SO DOES THIS GIVE US A PLAN TO KNOW HOW TO GO FORWARD MORE? TALK MORE THOUGHT ON YOUR, YOUR OWN? UH, I THINK IN TERMS OF JUST, YOU KNOW, THE POOL, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE WORK SESSION JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE 5:00 AM YOU KNOW, SHIFT.
THEN WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS AND WE COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN A WEEK OR SO, JUST SO KNOW OUR BIGGEST PIECE THERE.
AND I GOTTA TELL YOU THAT THERE'S TWO PIECES.
SO GETTING THEM FOR THE PROPER TIMES AND THE LENGTH OF TIME IS DIFFICULT.
WE'VE GOT A GOOD GROUP NOW, BUT WE'RE WORKING THEM AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO.
AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, MONEY INTO THE, THOSE PART-TIME LINES.
SO, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO MAKE A, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL YOU, UM, ARE ABLE TO HIRE BECAUSE THERE'S A AND YOU, YOU FEEL YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, THEN I THINK YOU SHOULD MEET WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARD AND WE COULD THEN DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, MONEY, YOU KNOW, MONEY WELL SPENT.
COULD THAT BE IN THE, IN 2003? YEAH, WE COULD DO IT.
WE COULD DO IT IN, IN THE MIDDLE.
SO YOU WANNA SEE YOU BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA BE AN INCREASE TO THE POOL SIDE.
AND ALSO WHEN YOU, WE CAN'T JUST OPEN THE POOL DOORS.
NO, I'M SAYING WE, WE WOULD THEN WE COULD, WE COULD DISCUSS IT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DISCUSS IT IN, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'LL HIT RIGHT NEXT YEAR IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL THAT IT GOTCHA.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD USE YOUR OWN JUDGMENT IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MONEY WELL SPENT.
AND I, I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO BEFORE COVID THERE, THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE WHO DID THINK IT WAS MONEY.
YOU KNOW, NOT WELL SPENT, BUT PEOPLE IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE SERVICE.
WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED THE SERVICE.
SO PEOPLE ARE USED TO NOT USING IT NOW.
SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S AN ARGUMENT FOR BOTH SIDES, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THE POOL PATRONS, UM, REALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE VALUE OF, OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND WHAT WE OFFER.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE FIRST LAP SWIM NOW IS 7:00 AM I MEAN, WE DO GET SOME KICKBACK FOR SURE, BUT I MEAN AT THIS POINT WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING.
UM, WITH THE PUBLIC THEMSELVES.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, IF YOU START AT FIVE AND THERE'S LIKE, LET'S SAY THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT AT FIVE O'CLOCK, THEN IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER TAXPAYERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPENING UP A BILL, YOU KNOW, SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING PEOPLE MAY, UH, A LOT OF THE TAXPAYERS WHO DON'T, WHO AREN'T SWIMMERS MAY SAY, IS THIS REALLY A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS? SO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD REALLY HAVE A, AN HONEST DISCUSSION, SEE WHAT THE, THE COST BENEFITS ARE.
SO YOU PROVIDE THIS, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICALLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM PRETTY MUCH WITH THREE PEOPLE PER LANE, SIX LANES, THAT'S 18 PEOPLE.
UM, WHETHER IT'S FOUR OR 18 TAXPAYERS COULD SAY THAT.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU MENTIONED A LOT ABOUT SERVICES FOR THE POOL.
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WE OFFER FOR THE COMMUNITY? IS THERE ANY LACK OF, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE IN THAT ASPECT? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE POOL.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS, I KNOW WE OFFER A LOT.
THAT'S WHAT THIS, UM, ACTUAL PROPOSAL IS TODAY, GINA.
THIS IS NOT, UM, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE POOL.
SO THIS, THIS, UH, 73, 10 SIDE IS STRICTLY THE COMMUNITY, UH, CENTER SERVICES.
THAT PART-TIME COVERS EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT BUILDING.
WE HAVE INSTRUCTORS, NOT THE POOL THAT COME IN, EXCUSE ME, NOT THE POOL, I'M SORRY, NOT THE POOL.
EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON THAT BUILDING IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WITH REGARDS TO EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT BUILDING.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WITH 23 FULL-TIME STAFF AND MINIMUM OR, OR AVERAGE OF 600 PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THAT DOOR, IT'S ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE THAT OUR PART-TIMERS ARE HELPING US MANAGE.
UM, ROBERTA, THERE WAS ONE PIECE ON A, UM, A SALARY ADJUSTMENT, I BELIEVE, UM,
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WITH OH YES.WITH THE, UH, POSITION OF RECREATION SUPERVISOR THAT IS LISTED, I BELIEVE AT $99,000.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $10,000 MORE THAN WHAT THE SALARY SHOULD BE LISTED AT.
WHAT PAGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UH, THAT WAS BECAUSE WE TR WE TRANSITIONED THE TITLE OF ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER TO RECREATION SUPERVISOR.
SO THE FUNDING WAS STILL THERE.
UM, SO THAT COULD BE $10,000 THAT WE WOULD REQUEST, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD MOVE OVER.
THAT COULD MOVE OVER AND NOT COME OUT OF YEAH.
CHANGING THE REC SUPERVISOR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SALARY OF WHATEVER THE C S E A CONTRACT IS REFLECTIVE OF NOW.
YOU SEE PAUL, WE JUST FOUND YOU 10.
SO 30,000, RIGHT? THERE YOU GO.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT REALLY ALLOWS US TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT WE DO AND HOW IT WORKS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IT TOGETHER IN OUR MINDS AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH FOR, UH, SIX, SEVEN YEARS.
UM, AND, UH, IT REALLY HELPS US PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT THE FUTURE IS EVEN BETTER.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING, AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON THE, ROBERT, WE WILL BE WORKING ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THEN WE'LL PRESENT TO THE TOWN BOARD THE PROPOSED CAPITAL BUDGET.
YEAH, LET'S GET THE OPERATING DONE FIRST.
THERE IS ONE PIECE, THERE IS A PIECE FOR THE, UM, UH, YOSEMITE PARK THAT WE HAVE A GRANT FOR, FOR 45,000.
THE ROOF REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE REDONE BEFORE THE WOOD STARTS TO GO BAD, AND IT COSTS EVEN MORE.
UM, THE NUMBER CAME IN MUCH HIGHER THAN WE THOUGHT IT DID.
SO BETWEEN OURSELVES, D P W, WHO WE'VE BEEN WORKING EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY WELL, UH, GREAT GROUP.
AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TAG TEAM BACK AND FORTH TOGETHER, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE JUST FOUND OUT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LATE FOR A WHILE, I THINK WE HAVE LIKE 90 DAYS TO COME UP WITH IT.
ALSO, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A REALLY PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH GEORGE MINA AND WINSOME GORDON, AND SOME FUNDER, SOME FUNDER, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FUNDERS MM-HMM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S HIS NAME HAS OH, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, I, I, CAN YOU PUT A GRANT ON TOP OF A GRANT? UM, NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE COMMUNITY GARDEN THAT YOU WANT TO OH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO THAT, THOSE ARE THINGS WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK ON, BUT I PUT THIS ONE BEFORE YOU BECAUSE IT IS 45 GRAND THAT WE ARE BEING, UM, GIVEN IN THAT SENSE, OR WE HAVE EARNED, BUT IT IS A 50 50 GRANT TO REDO THAT PAVILION THAT REALLY NEEDS IT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, WOULDN'T THAT BE IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET PAVILION? PROBABLY, YEAH.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COVER IT WITHIN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
THAT'S SOMETHING DBW WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT.
DID THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? DEPENDS IF IT'S A REPAIR OR NOT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, BEFORE WE CLOSE, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WATCHING WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO WAS, UM, TAKING UP SPACE IN A, IN A BUS SHELTER, ACTUALLY IN WHITE PLAINS, BUT CLOSE TO GREENBURG, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN EXPRESSED THAT ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
ON CENTRAL AVENUE, AND, UM, SHE HAS AGREED AND HAS BEEN MOVED.
UM, A, A GROUP CALLED THE GUIDANCE CENTER OF WESTCHESTER HAD BEEN WORKING WITH HER FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND, AND THEN, UM, ONE OF, UH, AND THEN, AND THE COUNTY TOO.
UH, DIANE ATKINS IS REALLY TERRIFIC IN GETTING THIS DONE, UM, TO GET SOMEONE FROM, FROM OUR GROUP TO GO AND SPEAK TO HER TOO, TO, TO HELP HER AND ESCORT HER AND TO GIVE HER A COMFORT LEVEL.
AND SHE TODAY IS BEING RELOCATED TO THAT'S FANTASTIC.
THAT'S, SHE'LL GET FULL SERVICES SO SHE'S NOT JUST BEING RELOCATED FOR TO HOUSING, BUT, UM, SHE WILL BE GETTING ANY NUMBER OF SERVICES AND FOOD AND WELL TAKEN CARE OF, AND SHE'LL BE INHABITED PLACE.
WE JUST DIDN'T MOVE HER TO A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION.
NO, SHE'S MOVED TO A, TO A RESIDENCE RESIDENTS.
I JUST HAD ONE OTHER, UH, QUESTION I WAS DOING.
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I HAD GOTTEN AN EMAIL, THIS IS ALSO RELATING TO THE COUNTY, AND I WAS SPEAKING TO TRAFFIC SAFETY OFFICER, UM, ON OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD.UH, IF YOU CROSS THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY, UM, BASICALLY THERE'S NO CROSSWALK.
AND, UM, AND I'VE BEEN BIKING TO THE TOWN HALL A LOT, YOU KNOW, AND I USE THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY.
IT'S, AND A WOMAN BASICALLY FROM THIS AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD EMAILED ME A FEW WEEKS AGO, SHE SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND, YOU KNOW, CROSSING, UH, THE PARKWAY.
AND, UM, IT REALLY IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE'S CARS THAT ARE, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, WANT TO GO ON THE, IN A PARKWAY, BASICALLY THERE'S CAR IS MAKING A LEFT TURN.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THROUGH.
SO I REALLY FEEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I EMAILED COUNTY EXECUTIVE, I EMAILED, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATOR WILLIAMS. WE REALLY NEED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A CROSSWALK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I MEAN, WE HAD ONE FATALITY A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN SOMEBODY WAS CROSSING, UH, I THINK THE PARKWAY ON FISHERY AVENUE, AND I THINK ALL THE CROSSWALKS LEADING TO THE BIKE PATH, UH, ALL, ALL THE CROSSINGS NEED, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT'S, IT REALLY IS DANGEROUS.
SHOULD WE CLOSE, JONATHAN, YOU, JANA, YOU TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING? YOU'RE, GINA, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED.
EITHER THAT OR SHE'S, NO, SHE'S NOT.
YOU GOTTA MOVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE REASONS STATED ON THE AGENDA.
WELL, BUT I MOVE THAT WE GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR, UH, FOR DISCUSSING LEGAL AND PERSONNEL MATTERS.
AND THE PERSONNEL MATTERS ARE REGARDING INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.
AND WE WON'T BE COMING BACK THIS EVENING.