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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD GREENBURGH TOWN HALL AGENDA WEDNESDAY, December 7, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
DECIDE.ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA START THE RECORDING SO THAT WE CAN GET STARTED.
START THE RECORDING SO WE CAN GET STARTED.
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 7TH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WE CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
WE NOTE THAT BOARD MEMBERS, MS. FREYTAG, AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? UH, YES, I DO.
ON, UM, TWO APPROVAL OF A MINUTE.
UM, ON THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, MRS. SMITH STATED THAT, UH, HE HAD, UH, STATED THAT THIS HAD BEEN INCLUDED.
SHOULDN'T IT READ THAT, UH, THAT IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL, UH, SO AGAIN, CORRECT.
SO, IN FACT, I HAD RECITED THAT, UH, THERE WAS A SECTION OF THE MINUTES THAT INCLUDED THAT INFORMATION ALREADY IN THE DRAFT.
SO THERE WAS NO REVISION TO BE MADE WITH RESPECT TO THAT COMMENT.
IT, IT ACTUALLY WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DRAFT.
OH, SO YOU POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE I, I CAN FIND IT, BUT IF, IF SHE STAY, I, I GIVE YOU MY WORD AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND YOU A OKAY, FINE.
SCOUT'S ON SCOUT'S ON SCOUT'S ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES THEN? SO MOVED.
I THINK IT WAS TOM AND, UH, JOHANN.
LEMME JUST DO WITH MY AGENDA, THE, UH, CORRESPOND.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DO THOSE NOW.
UH, AARON, WE HAVE A, A COUPLE OF THINGS IN CORRESPONDENCE.
SO LET'S FIRST DO THE TWO EXTENSIONS REQUESTS THAT CAME IN.
WE HAVE PB 1706, THE NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION, N R S F, ARDSLEY ROAD SUBDIVISION.
IT'S THE SECOND PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION REQUEST.
UH, THE CURRENT ONE IS SET TO EXPIRE.
WE HAD A LETTER OF REQUEST SUBMITTED BY KATE FEYNMAN, PROJECT ATTORNEY, UH, DATED DECEMBER 2ND, 2022.
IT WAS FOR A 180 DAY EXTENSION REQUEST.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THEY ANTICIPATE HOPEFULLY HAVING SIGN OFF IN THIS SIX MONTH EXTENSION PERIOD.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALL? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO? SO MOVED.
AND THEN SIMILARLY, CASE NUMBER 21 PB 2103 MARIN SUBDIVISION.
SCARSDALE SECOND PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION REQUEST.
THE LETTER WAS SUBMITTED BY KATE FIREMAN DATED DECEMBER 2ND.
THEY'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
ARE THEY ADJACENT? THEY ARE, YEAH.
YEAH, I REMEMBER IN THE FRONT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? WHAT WAS THE REASON? SAME, SAME PROBLEM THEY'RE WORKING WITH.
ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE A MOTION THAT THIS IS THE FIRST, UM, IT'S THE FIRST EXTENSION, RIGHT? UH, THESE ARE, THESE PAST TWO WERE, UH, SECOND PRELIMINARY EXTENSIONS.
THEY WERE WORKING, THEY HAD BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, THE, UH, THE PRIVATE WATER COMPANY, WHICH IS WAS SUEZ.
NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY TO, UM, DO THE WATER EXTENSIONS.
AND NOW THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, UH, TIME PERIOD WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND GETTING SIGNED OFF ON THE PRELIMINARY FLAP.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
MICHAEL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE UTILITIES.
SEPARATELY, UH, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 1522 MULLIGAN LANE SUBDIVISION, ALSO KNOWN AS THE BAUM SUBDIVISION.
THE APPLICANT IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE
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SITE.CON EDISON IDENTIFIED THAT THE EXISTING OVERHEAD WIRES, WHICH CURRENTLY SERVICE TO EXISTING HOMES, ARE IN IMMEDIATE NEED OF REPAIR.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, AND THE APPLICANT SENT AN EMAIL NOTIFICATION REALLY INTO THE BOARD THAT CON EDISON IS WILLING TO REPLACE THE OVERHEAD LINES AND EXISTING POLES THAT ARE IN VERY POOR CONDITION.
UH, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION AS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL STATES THAT ALL UTILITY LINES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE BURIED UNDERGROUND.
HE'S ADVISED THAT ALL SERVICE LINES TO THE NEW RESIDENCES TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE BURIED UNDER.
WELL, THESE ARE PRE PREEXISTING.
I DO WE EVEN NEED A, A VOTE ON THIS THEN? I DON'T.
WE CAN TAKE ONE AND JUST SAY, WE CONSIDERED A REPAIR AND THEN LINE WITH THE SITE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? SO MOVED.
UH, TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
AYE GUYS, ON THE GUYS, YOU'RE ON ZOOM DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ASLEEP.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON NOW TO THE, UH, FIRST WORK.
TO THE FIRST THING IN THE WORK SESSION.
WHICH IS METROPOLIS, UH, COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR THE BUILDING OF THE NEW MAINTENANCE BUILDING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I DID WANT TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION AGAIN, YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING A DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT ON NO, NOVEMBER 29TH, 2022, THE TOWN BOARD GRANTED AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THEY DID SEEKER AND THEN MADE DECISIONS.
UM, UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE NOTE AND THEN WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU MISS MR. SIMON.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED DURING THE WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD AFTER CLOSURE OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY, WALTER? YEAH, I, I DO WANT TO, I FOUND OUT THAT, UH, UH, GARETH MADE SOME GOOD IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHEN SPEAKING TO THE SOUND BOARD.
YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE CONDITION OF THE POSITION OF THAT ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BACK ENTRANCE FOR THE TRO.
UH, AND, AND SO THAT WAS, UH, UH, THE TOWN COURT TOOK NOTICE OF THAT AND, AND, AND SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IS GOING TO BE MADE TO THAT ROAD, WHICH, UM, VERY GOOD.
I IT WILL BE DONE BECAUSE OUR VOTE IS ONLY ON STEEP SLOPE.
BUT THE TOWN DID TAKE THE STEP WITH, UH, GARRETT'S GUIDANCE.
SO, UH, ANY SPECIFIC, UH, REALLY, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONS ON THIS THAT WE SHOULD GO OVER BEFORE WE, UH, VOTE ONLY TWO ITEMS THAT I'D BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
ONE THAT, UM, WE ADDED THAT THE APPLICANT AND ITS SUCCESSORS AND INTEREST MUST COMPLY WITH ALL CONDITIONS OF THE TOWN BOARD DECISION.
AND THEN WE ALSO CONDITIONED 8.2 ON PAGE EIGHT THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 100 YEAR STORM EVENT.
WHICH WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS? IF WE TAKE A, A VOTE, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THIS DEEP SLIP FOR PERMIT THEN SO MOVE, SO MOVE SECOND.
WELL LET, WILL HAVE THE SECOND.
HE'S GOING GET WITH THE, I'LL GIVE YOU MORE WIGGLE ROOM NEXT TIME.
YOU, YOU TAKE A, TAKE A DEEP BREATH THE NEXT TIME.
ABSTENTIONS, NONE IN DEPTH PASSES IS GREAT.
WE CAN MAKE IT MORE EXCITING FOR YOU MS. GARRIS, IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, THERE ARE TWO CASES HERE THAT ARE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE SIMILAR CASES RELATED.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THE APPROVAL PROCESS HERE, UM, WE WILL BE, UM, ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO BY LAW, BUT IT, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DESCRIBED AS WE GO ALONG, ACTUALLY GONNA APPLY TO THE OTHER ONES.
AND THIS IS ABOUT A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, UH, ONE AT MIDWAY SHO SHOPPING CENTER AND THE OTHER ONE AT GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER.
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SAME FACILITY.SAYS TO DIFFERENT LOCATION, A LITTLE DIFFERENT SETBACK.
AND THE TWO OF THEM, UH, COULD, IF YOU GO TO TALK, PLEASE TALK OUTSIDE.
I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFOREHAND.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, I BELIEVE IT WAS CORRECT.
SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT, ABOUT 14 MONTHS NOW.
UM, AND IT ACTUALLY STARTED A LONG TIME BEFORE THAT BECAUSE IT STARTED BEFORE WE HAD THE BATTERY LAW IN PLACE.
AND ACTUALLY THEY WAITED TO FILE AN APPLICATION UNTIL THE NEW BATTERY LAW WAS IN PLACE.
UM, THROUGHOUT THIS WE'VE HAD THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT INVOLVED IN, UH, ALL, ALL EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WE'VE HAD THEM INVOLVED AND, AND BEEN ASKING THEM QUESTION, UH, ASKING THEM FOR, FOR FEEDBACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THE OTHER DAY, UH, UH, A WEEK AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE HEARING, UH, OF THE, UH, RECORD, UH, WE GOT A LETTER FROM, FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, WHICH IS, WILL BE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD IF YOU, IF PEOPLE WANT IT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S AFTER THE CLOSE OF OUR RECORD.
SO WE REALLY COULDN'T ACCEPT WHAT WAS IN THERE.
AND, AND WE DID RESPOND TO THAT LETTER, UH, SAYING THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE GOT ANOTHER LETTER.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT CAME IN ABOUT THREE HOURS, BEF ABOUT THREE OR FOUR HOURS BEFORE THIS MEETING TODAY, OR MAYBE A FEW MORE HOURS BEFORE THAT.
BUT THE TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND WITHOUT ANY TIME FOR THIS BOARD TO REALLY REACT TO IT.
AND FRANKLY WE COULDN'T ANYWAY.
'CAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE RECORD.
SO WE'RE GONNA STAND ON THE RECORD AS IT IS.
WE'VE HAD A CONSULT, OUR OWN CONSULTANT, REVIEW EVERYTHING.
IN FACT, EVEN AS A COURTESY TO THE, TO THE FIRE DISTRICT, REVIEWED THERE SOME OF THE THINGS IN THEIR LETTER TODAY.
AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION AND, UM, IN A WAY THAT WILL BE SAFE AND THEN HARMONIOUS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL DECISIONS ON, ON THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER.
MIND IF I THIS? OH, YOU WANNA DO THAT FIRST? CARRY THROUGH.
OH, AARON WANTS TO DO THIS 'CAUSE HE'S GONNA SHOW THAT HE KNOWS ALL THIS STUFF.
IT'S JUST A, DOESN'T TRUST THE OLD MAN.
SO THE PLAN, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, VOTES AND DECISIONS TO BE MADE THIS EVENING.
THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE CONSIDERING ITS DECISION ON AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION, SPECIAL PERMIT TIER TWO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM APPLICATION, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, APPLICATION PLANNING, BOARD WAIVERS REQUEST AND PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST INVOLVING THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF TWO TESLA MEGA PACKS OF 16 UNITS EACH FOR TOTAL SYSTEM CAPACITY OF 5798.4 KILOWATT HOURS.
THE INSTALLATION IS PROPOSED TO OCCUPY A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 766 SQUARE FEET AND WILL BE 97 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 50 FEET IS ALLOWABLE VIA WAIVER FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND IT WILL ALSO BE 56 FEET FROM THE NEAREST BUILDING WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED EXCUSE AND 10 FEET.
AM I LOOKING? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AN OUTDATED AGENDA OR AN OUTDATED OH, SO WE SENT, SO THE AGENDA THAT WENT IN THE PACKAGES WAS, I MEAN, THE DECISION THAT YEAH.
THE DECISION THAT WAS SENT OUT IN THE PACKAGES WAS REVISED AND RECIRCULATED.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT.
SO IT'S 97 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, 56 FEET FROM THE NEAREST BUILDING.
UH, WHERE YOU CAN, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN REDUCE IT DOWN TO 10 FEET VIA WAIVER.
THE APPLICANT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF ONE REGULATED TREE REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPE RESTORATION PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR THE PLANTING OF FIVE NEW TREES AS REPLACEMENT IN COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO 60 OF THE TOWN CODE.
THE PROJECT ALSO INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THREE EXISTING OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, NECESSITATING A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THERE WERE 1,150 SPACES PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
1,147 PROPOSED PURSUANT TO SECTION 2 85 DASH 38 D FIVE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES.
AS MENTIONED, SEVEN VOTES ARE TO BE TAKEN THIS EVENING IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT FIRST.
HOWEVER, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH,
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SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT QUALIFIES AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.AND YOU CAN, THE BOARD MAY AT THIS TIME VOTE TO CLASSIFY THE PROPOSED ACTION.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER PLEASE.
THE, THE, UH, GUYS IN THE CHEAP SEAT SEATS.
WE HAVE SEVEN VOTES TO TAKE, RIGHT? I'M GONNA RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S ONE DECISION HERE.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? DON'T WE VOTE TO ADOPT THIS ENTIRE DECISION OR, WELL, NAEC IS A SEPARATE, SEPARATE DOCUMENT, FIRST OF ALL.
WELL, NO, BUT YOU SAID WE HAVE SEVEN VOTES.
BUT MOST OF THEM ARE INCORPORATED IN THIS DECISION.
UH, WE JUST HAVE TO VOTE SEPARATE.
ALL OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY, WELL, THE NAEC AND I'M LISTED AS SEPARATE.
WE FORGET ALL THAT AND WE, WE INCORPORATE THOSE VOTES.
SO WE, WE DO, WE DO FIVE VOTES AND IF YOU ADD 'EM ALL TOGETHER, IT COMES TO THIS.
EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THAT DOCUMENT.
SO WOULD YOU RATHER, WOULD YOU RATHER MORE PAPER WRINKLE? NO, I'D RATHER TAKE ONE VOTE AND JUST SAY, RAH, THAT'S I, AH, OKAY.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK AN DIFFERENT ACTION.
WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE'VE NEVER BEEN LEGALLY BEEN ABLE, WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT.
DON'T HAVE ANY LAWYERS ON THAT.
WE TO VOTE ON EACH LAWYER THERE.
SO EACH APPROVAL NEEDS A VOTE EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN COMPILE THEM IN THE SAME DOCUMENT FOR THE DECISION.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OR NOT.
OKAY, SO NOW, UH, WE THANK THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE NA DECK.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE TO GIVE US A ATION? MICHAEL? SECOND.
NEXT ONE WOULD BE, UH, THE PUCK RIVER.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THIS? IT'S BRIEF? SURE DO.
HE MIGHT AS WELL GO THROUGH IT.
SO THE DRAFT
IT INCLUDES FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS WHICH FOLLOW THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN SECTION 2 85, 37 0.1 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND PLANNING BOARD WAIVERS COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT SECTION 2 85 DASH 57 RELATED TO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, CHAPTER TWO 60 OF THE TOWN CODE RELATED TO THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND SECTION 2 85 DASH 38 D FIVE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST.
SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED, THE PLANNING BOARD'S DECISION INCLUDES A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH BEFORE THE SYSTEM IS OPERATIONAL, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO A COMMISSIONING PLAN.
FIRE SAFETY, COMPLIANCE PLAN, OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING, MANUAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, ONE OR THREE LINE ELECTRICAL DIAGRAM, FINAL EQUIPMENT SPECIFICATIONS, SHEET HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS AND TRAFFIC SAFETY CIRCULATION PLAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 85 37, 1 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD BE UNDER THE GOVERNANCE OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AT THAT POINT.
IT JUST ROLLS OUT THE TONGUE, DOESN'T IT? IT SURE DOES.
DOES THE DECISION ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE TWO SETS OF THE COMPLETE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION PACKAGE TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THERE CERTAINLY WILL BE FURTHER COORDINATION.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT THERE.
UM, BEFORE WE GO ON THERE, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ALL THE REST OF THOSE AT THE, YOU KNOW, ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER.
COULD YOU GO INTO, UH, USING, USING, UH, MIDWAY AND THEN IT'D BE EASIER THE SECOND TIME JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE LIKE FOR, FOR, UH, PPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT, UH, PEOPLE, THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW ABOUT.
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THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE TRAINING FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, A SCHEDULE OF WHICH SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IN, IN CONNECTION WITH SUBMISSION OF A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE, I JUST WANNA GO ON TRAINING THAT THAT'S TRAINING FOR, FOR NOT ONLY THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, BUT ALSO THIS, THE, THE ONES THAT ARE DO MUTUAL AID.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD IS CONDITIONING, AND THIS IS PAGE 10 OF THE REVISED DECISION CONDITION.
THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE AN UPFRONT FEE OF $5,000 TO COVER THE COSTS OF ACQUIRING THE APPROPRIATE P P E FOR THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THAT'S, THAT CARRIES INTO THE GREENVILLE DECISION AS WELL, RIGHT? WELL BEFORE JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE 5,000, WHAT IF IT COSTS ONLY 3000 UP? IT SHOULD BE UP TO 5,000 ACTUALLY.
WELL, THEY, WHAT WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS 5,000 UPFRONT PAYMENT THAT WOULD BE DRAWN DOWN PAYMENT TO WHOM? TO THE TOWN.
IT'D BE AN ESCROW ACCOUNT TO THE TOWN ESCROW ACCOUNT.
AND IT'LL BE DRAWN DOWN AGAINST VOUCHERS FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE, THE FIRE DISTRICT.
THE ONE THING THAT I THINK THOUGH YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN IS WHERE THE, WHERE THE NET ACTUAL NUMBER CAME FROM.
SO THE CODE ALLOWS THE PLANNING BOARD TO TAKE AN UPFRONT FEE, WHICH IT APPEARS TO HAVE DECIDED UPON WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT TAKING THE FEE, REQUIRING THE FEE TO BE SUBMITTED, REQUIRING AND ESTABLISHING THE FEE, THE ONE, SO WE HAD, THANK YOU.
SO WE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT CHIEF TO TRY AND OBTAIN A FIGURE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE.
UH, HE HAD INDICATED HE WOULD BE GETTING BACK TO ME AHEAD OF THIS MEETING, BUT WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.
SO WE, IT, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY DISCUSSED A, A NUMBER THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE REASONABLE IN THIS CASE.
WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, AND YOU DID REACH OUT TO OUR CONSULTANT AS WELL AS IT AS SOMEONE, ANOTHER FIRE DISTRICT, SOMEONE IN ANOTHER FIRE DISTRICT PROFESSIONAL FIRE, UH, PROFESSIONAL TO, TO SEE IF THEY FELT WE WERE REASONABLY IN THE BALLPARK.
AARON, WHAT, WHAT P P E ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? RESPIRATORS? PROBABLY MORE.
NO, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE WITH, WITH A TANK.
IT'S ONE OF THE WAY IT'S THE SUPPLEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT, IT'S THE SUPPLEMENT.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THESE GET TREATED AS A HAZMAT SITUATION IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE EVENT.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT NEW AND ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT DO THEY NEED FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE THAT THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE? THAT WAS, THAT HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFI.
THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED THEN.
I'M AGAINST THE 5,000 LET'S THINKING CAN IDENTIFY SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT THEY NEED.
THERE WAS THAT ONE, UH, IN THE LETTER THAT CAME TODAY.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE.
HE SAID THEY HAVE THEY'VE HAD THAT FOR YEARS.
THEY, THEY, THIS IS STANDARD EQUIPMENT.
THEY PUT IT ON EVERY TIME THEY GO INTO A FIRE, IT'S A SCUBA GEAR.
THEY WEAR THE TANK ON THE BACK AND THEY HAVE THE, THEY HAVE THE MASK.
IT ISN'T LIKE THEY'RE GETTING PAID FOR IT.
THEY HAVE TO NO, NO, I'M AGAINST IT.
UNLESS THEY COULD, UNLESS THEY COULD SPECIFY DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY NEEDED FOR THIS APPLICATION THAT THEY DON'T HAVE.
SO WHY DON'T WE PUT THE, PUT THAT WORD WE CAN HAVE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE.
OH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT WE, WE HAVE, I MEAN MICHAEL RAISED A VERY VALID POINT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIC INFORMATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS CONSISTENTLY NOT RESPONDED TO OUR REQUEST.
SO I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENTATION WE SHOULD OUTLINE SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE ASKED FOR THIS PIECE OF INFORMATION, UH, WE ASKED FOR IT A SECOND TIME, WE DID NOT RECEIVE IT.
SO IF OUR DECISION IS EVER A CHALLENGE BY THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE COULD GO BACK AND SHOW THAT WE MADE ALL OF THE GOOD FAITH ATTEMPT TO GET THEIR INPUT.
UH, BUT I THINK ON THE TOP, ON THE POINT THAT MICHAEL JUST RAISED, I THINK THE COMPROMISE LANGUAGE, WHICH I DON'T RECALL RIGHT NOW, NOW WOULD BE, I I THANK YOU WALTER.
BUT, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD PUT ANY MONEY IN ESCROW FOR EQUIPMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE FOGS NOTION WHAT IT IS AND WHY IT MIGHT BE NEEDED.
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IF YOU WANNA PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THE FIRE DISTRICT CAN IDENTIFY SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED AND DON'T HAVE FOR THIS SITE, OKAY.
THE APPLICANT WILL REIMBURSE THEM UP TO 5,000.
BUT WHAT I WANTED THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
I WANNA DO THAT, BUT I WANT TO, GIVEN THE TRACK RECORD IN THE LAST 14 MONTHS OF THIS PROJECT.
THEY'VE GOT, GOT 45 DAYS MAYBE FINE TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE TO 45 DAYS OF THEY HAVE TO FOREVER THE DATE OF THIS DECISION.
SHOULD BE MORE SO THERE'S NO MONEY IN ESCROW UNTIL THE FIRE DISTRICT IDENTIFIES EQUIPMENT AND THEN GOOD FIX.
OUR EXPERT CAN LOOK AT IT, OPINE ON IT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, BEFORE WE, UH, CAN I SPEAK BEFORE GETTING SHUSHED AGAIN? IS THAT OKAY? NO.
AT ONE TIME NO, YOU CAN SPEAK.
UM, I I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT THE, TO ME, THE ESCROW IS ABOVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SAFETY THING, JUST GIVEN THE TRACK RECORD OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOT BEING AS RESPONSIVE.
I'M SORRY? UH, FIRE DISTRICT BEING NOT BEING RESPONSIVE.
AND THE, THE WHOLE IDEA IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FLAIR ELEMENT.
IF WE NEGLECT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO ACQUIRE EQUIPMENT, THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY BECAUSE WE'RE UNAWARE AND UNFAMILIAR WITH, WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE SAYING IF THEY CAN IDENTIFY EQUIPMENT THAT'S NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL REIMBURSE THEM WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT NO, WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GIVING THEM, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW AND THEY DIDN'T.
WE'VE GIVEN THEM SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT AND THEY'VE NEVER DONE IT.
WE'RE GIVING THEM ANOTHER 45 DAYS TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF STUFF THAT THEY NEED TO FIGHT THESE KINDS OF, OF FIRES.
UNDERSTAND AND, AND NO, LEMME FINISH.
AND AT THAT POINT, THE APPLICANT WILL, WOULD HAVE TO PUT UP, EDIT THE ESCROW LINE.
AND JOHAN DOES, DOES THE APPLICANT BY CHANCE, DID THEY ALREADY AGREE TO THE ESCROW? IS IS THAT SOMETHING THEY AGREED TO? THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK.
THEY A COPY OF THE DRAFT DECISION WAS PROVIDED TO THE PROJECT TEAM.
THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR THE
IF THEY NEED $5,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT OR 10,000, THEY WILL BUY IT.
THE ONLY QUESTION IS REIMBURSEMENT.
AND WE AGREE TO, WE'RE BUILDING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL REIMBURSE THEM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY.
I THINK THAT SENSE, TRUST ME, IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE.
NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE, THE FIRE DISTRICT'S NOT GONNA PUT THEIR PEOPLE IN DANGER.
WELL IT SOUNDS AS IF 5,000 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET BASED ON, WELL, ONE RESPIRATOR LIKE THAT.
WE, WE PRICED IT OUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1500 2500 BUCKS.
HAD THEM, THEY'VE HAD THEM FOR 50 YEARS, I'M SURE.
BUT IF, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T, THEY'RE 1500 TO 2,500.
AND THEN IT, THE OTHER THING IS THOSE KINDS OF RESPIRATORS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ARE GENERALLY USED IN AN INDOOR SITUATION.
AND THIS IS AN OPEN AIR WHERE THE, WHERE THE STUFF IS DISSIPATING RIGHT AWAY.
SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT AND THE BABYSITTING, THEY'RE NOT GOING NEAR THE FIRE.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO NEAR THE FIRE.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS, BUT GIVE THEM, I I I THIS IS, WE GIVE THEM ONE LAST CHANCE ON THIS.
AND WE'VE BENT OVER BACKWARDS ALL THE TIME AND THEY'VE JUST TOTALLY IGNORED OUR PROCEDURES AND OUR SCHEDULE.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM ONE LAST CHANCE TO, TO DO THAT HERE.
AND, AND LET'S SEE, THEY GOT 45 DAYS.
IT WOULD
AARON, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE START TAKING THE VOTES? THAT'S REALLY, OKAY.
SO THE FIRST VOTE WE NEED IS ON THE PARKING WAIVER.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SO MOVED? CASE SECOND.
OPPOSED? KAREN HAS A QUESTION.
KURT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, THIS IS SORT OF A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER AND THEIR, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT
OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID, I THOUGHT YOU SAID GREENVILLE.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID GREENVILLE.
AND, UH, I AGREE WITH THE, UH, GIVING APPROVAL FOR REDUCTION, BUT
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I WANTED TO BE NOTED THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE WORK IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE PARKING LOT AND, AND THE SIDEWALK ON, NOT ON THIS APPLICATION.HE'S TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE DOING ON THE OTHER APPLICATION.
CORTER, YOU REFERRING TO THE PEDESTRIAN? EVERY TIME THEY COME, WE GIVE THEM A REDUCTION APPROVAL AND THEN THEY DO, THEY JUST GET AWAY WITH IT DOING NOTHING IN TERMS OF OUR REQUEST.
LET ME JUST INDICATE THAT THEY HAVE A, ANOTHER APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD, THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT.
IN CONNECTION WITH THE CHANGE OF USE FROM RETAIL TO RESTAURANT.
AND THERE ARE VARIOUS SITE SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THAT.
AND THOSE ARE COMING BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD LIKELY IN JANUARY FOR SPECIAL PERMIT.
FOR THE RESTAURANT USE AND SPACE.
WE CAN MAKE IT AND WE CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO, SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT BEING DROPPED OFF AND WE'RE NOT FORGETTING ABOUT THEM BY ANY STRETCH.
IT'S REALLY NOT RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT IS PART TAKING THREE PARKING SPACES ON.
BUT THIS, I'VE BEEN ONBOARD MORE THAN 10 YEARS AND EVERY TIME THEY COME AND THEY SAY WE WILL DO IT NEXT TIME, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN 10 YEARS.
SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, AARON, YOU ARE SAYING THEY'RE COMING BACK TO DO THIS ONE, BUT THEN I THINK WE SHOULD NOT GIVE THEM ANY MORE APPROVAL FOR PARKING REDUCTION UNTIL THEY COMPLETE WHAT WAS PROMISED BEFORE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO DO A MILLION DOLLARS OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR GETTING, BUT IT'S NOT A MILLION DOLLAR.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALL THOSE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY WERE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
AND I DON'T GO AROUND SIX TIMES ON THIS.
AND I, I, AS MUCH AS YOU DO WANT TO SEE THOSE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COME 'CAUSE THAT PART, THE FLOW IN THERE IS A DISASTER.
BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE PUT PUT UP MORE STOP SIGNS ALREADY.
THEY'RE THERE, THERE ARE SOME STOP SIGNS THAT WEREN'T THERE BEFORE.
BUT BESIDES THAT, THIS IS NOT THE PROJECT FOR THAT.
THE PROJECT WHICH THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT IS GETTING THOSE TWO RESTAURANTS APPROVED, WHICH IS BEFORE THE, THE TOWN BOARD NOW COMING BACK TO US FOR, UH, FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND WE, AND IT, IT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED WHEN WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH CAN HAVE GARRETT REMIND THE TOWN BOARD WHEN THEY VOTE ON IT, WHICH WOULD BE DID THEY VOTE ON IT THE LAST TIME OR NO, THEY JUST CLOSED THE HEARING.
SO WHEN THEY VOTE ON THE SITE PLAN, REMIND THEM THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION WE, WE STR WE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF THIS MM-HMM.
AND IF IT DOESN'T END UP IN, IN THE TOWN BOARD'S DECISION, WHICH I SUSPECT IT WILL 'CAUSE TOWN BOARD WANTS THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS MUCH AS WE DO, IT WILL END UP IN THE SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, APPROVAL AS A, AS A CONDITION OF SPECIAL PERMIT.
THIS IS NOT THE APPLICATION TO BE DOING THAT.
WERE YOU IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE CORRECT.
WHICH ONE DO WE JUST DO? SO WE DID THE REDUCTION, THE PART OF THE REDUCTION.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED TO APPROVE THE AMENDED SIGN AND APPROVAL.
UH, MICHAEL PREMATURELY AND RIGHT ON TIME.
UM, REAL QUICK, UH, DON'T WE WANNA MAKE THAT AS AMENDED BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THE LANGUAGE ON THE, UH, YES FEE.
SO CAN WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION JUST TO DO IT RIGHT? WE WE'RE PROVING IT AS AMENDED WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR LANGUAGE.
OKAY, BUT THAT, THAT CA CARRIES, UM, SPECIAL, SPECIAL PERMIT APPROVAL AGAIN AS, AS AMENDED TO IT'S TELL EM THE SAME THING.
WHY IS IT AS AMENDED? I DON'T GET IT BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO THE DRAFTS.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES WHAT'S NEXT? TREE REMOVAL, UM, PROMOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL AS AMENDED.
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I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.SO WHAT ARE WE, SO WE DID THAT PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVER'S REQUEST ON THE DISTANCE, THE DISTANCES.
CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVERS, UH, REQUEST FOR, FOR THE SETBACKS DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY AS SHOULD RESTATE THE, THE FOOTAGE.
STATE THEM AGAIN FROM, FROM MIDWIFE, PLEASE.
SO FOR THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, THE APPLICANT HAS SOUGHT TO REDUCE THE SETBACK FROM THE, FROM THE, FOR THE FACILITY, FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE FROM 100 FEET REQUIRED TO 97 FEET PROPOSED WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 50 FEET IS ALLOWABLE.
FOR DISTANCE FROM THE FACILITY TO THE NEAREST BUILDING.
100 FEET IS REQUIRED, 56 IS PROPOSED, AND DOWN TO 10 IS PERMITTED VIA WAIVER BY WAIVER.
SO CAN I HAVE THAT SO MOVED? MOTION AS AMEN.
MICHAEL, DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
WE DONE ON THIS ONE? WE ARE DONE ON THIS ONE.
GREENVILLE IS THE IDENTICAL APPLICATION.
SO THE SAME CHANGES, MICHAEL, THAT WE MADE IN MIDWAY WILL BE MADE IN GREENVILLE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER 5,000 FOR GREENVILLE.
THE ONLY, UH, ONE DIFFERENCE IS THE DISTANCE.
AND I'LL READ THROUGH THIS, I'LL READ THROUGH THAT.
BUT BEFORE YOU READ THROUGH THAT, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT MICHAEL MADE BEFORE ABOUT VOTING ON EVERYONE INDIVIDUALLY, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH AN IDENTICAL APPLICATION, SEPARATE APPLICATION.
AMANDA SAYS WE CAN'T, BUT LEGALLY.
WELL, HEY, MY BOSS IS, MY, MY LEGAL ADVICE IS, IS RIGHT THERE WE HAVE WELL, YEAH, I JUST WANTED CLARITY ON THAT.
SO AMANDA, BEING THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTICAL OR ALMOST BEING THE CASE AND WE, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSION DISCUSSING THIS KIND OF AS, UM, ONE OVER THE, THE COURSE OF TIMEFRAME, WOULD IT BE ALLOWABLE IN THIS CASE AT ALL OR NO? IT'S A SEPARATE APPLICATION, A SEPARATE PROPERTY.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL, THERE'S STILL DIFFERENCES.
EVEN IF IT'S MINUTE DIFFERENCES, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SAVING TIME DISCUSSING THEM TOGETHER.
'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF UNIT AND UH, SAME TYPE OF FACILITY.
BUT FOR APPROVALS YOU NEED TO VOTE ON EACH ONE.
SO, ALRIGHT, LET'S JUST DO IT AGAIN.
IT'S A LITTLE PAINFUL BECAUSE IT'S SEVEN.
WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH THE SETBACK SO WE KNOW I JUST WANT IT ON A SIDE PROCESS.
SO THE INSTALLATION HERE IS PROPOSED TO OCCUPY A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 766 SQUARE FEET AND IS PROPOSED TO BE 70 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 50 FEET IS ALLOWABLE VIA WAIVER FROM THE BOARD AND 72 FEET FROM THE NEAREST BUILDING WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 10 FEET IS ALLOWABLE VIA WAIVER FROM THE PLANNING BOARD PROJECT.
I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF SIX EXISTING OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
SO WHEREAS IT WAS THREE FOR MIDWAY, THEY'RE REMOVING SIX PHYSICAL SPACES.
BUT THIS NECESSITATES A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF THREE SPACES BECAUSE THEY WERE OVER PARKED ON THE SITE BY THREE SPACES.
SO THEY'RE GOING DOWN FROM IT'S 486 REQUIRED, 489 EXISTING, SO THREE MORE.
483 PROPOSED, WHICH IS THREE LESS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO BE ON THIS BOARD.
THIS I WILL WALK THROUGH, I CAN WALK THROUGH THE VARIOUS VOTES.
YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THE VARIOUS VOTES.
SO, NO, THAT'S WHAT SHE MEANT.
AMY, HE'S GONNA GO THROUGH IT.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE PROJECT WITH RESPECT TO SHARED PARKING REDUCTION QUALIFIES AS AN UNLISTED ACTION ON SEEKER.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE MICHAEL, THE SECOND PLEASE.
OPPOSED? STAFF DRAFTED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED, WE'VE PREPARED A DRAFT DECISION ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AS AMENDED.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
WE HAVE, UH, THE SPECIAL PERMIT AS AMENDED.
WE HAVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AS AMENDED.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING SECOND.
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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.THEN WE HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVERS REQUEST ON THE DISTANCES.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A WALTER THING.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I GOT A LITTLE, SOUNDS LIKE WALTER CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE TO GO OVER THE DISTANCES WE JUST GAVE? WE JUST DID.
AND THEN LASTLY WE HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION AS DESCRIBED.
JOHANN, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ANY QUESTIONS WALTER? NO, JUST, JUST THAT, JUST THAT I, I SPOKE TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON AND YOU GAVE ME CLARIFICATION OF WHY THESE APPLICATIONS ARE NOT A, UM, NEC WITH CONDITIONS BECAUSE IN THE CODE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A WALL, BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN A WALL, BUT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE, THE AND, UM, UH, UH, THE PLAN ON THE PLANS.
ON THE PLANS SO THAT, SO IT'S NOT NECESS SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PLAN.
SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT'S IN THE PLAN TAKES PRECEDENT? CORRECT.
ADDITIONALLY, ADDITIONALLY, THE, FROM A SEEKER STANDPOINT, AS NOTED WITH THE MIDWAY CASE, IT'S REALLY THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION THAT IS PUSHING THIS TO AN UNLISTED ACTION THAT REQUIRES THE NEG DECK IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A PARKING REDUCTION IN CONNECTION WITH EITHER OF THESE PROJECTS, THESE WOULD QUALIFY AS TYPE TWO ACTIONS UNDER SEEKER.
SO WE DID SOME EXTENSIVE REVIEW AND RESEARCH INTO, UH, SEEKER AND FOUND THAT THAT TO BE THE CASE.
WE REVIEWED IT WITH AMANDA AND SHE DID RESEARCH ON HER END.
SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY SPECIFIC UPFRONT WITH THE MIDWAY THAT THE SHARED PARKING IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING THE UNLISTED ACTION.
UM, WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
UM, THAT'S, UH, CASE PB 2205 CHOR WOODS, WHICH IS A, UH, SUB SUBDIVISION FOR WA SUB SUBDIVISION.
RE SUBDIVISION ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR LOTS, RIGHT? AND THE FOUR BUILDING LOTS WITH ONE EXISTING HOME, I THINK.
AND WE'RE TEAR DOWN ONE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, THE, THE, UH, ZONING BOARD HAS AGREED TO LET US BE LEAVE AGENCY.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO DECLARE OURSELF WE LEAD AGENCY.
COULD I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? AN UNLISTED ACTION PLEASE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
AND NOW COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION? SO MOVES SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
OKAY, SO NOW WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR BASICALLY IS TO, UH, HAVE A RECOMMEND SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, THE ZONING BOARD, I GUESS IS WHAT, WHAT'S NEXT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO NOW THAT THE BOARD HAS ESTABLISHED ITS ROLE AS LEAD AGENCY AND ADOPTED A SECRET DETERMINATION, WHICH WE WILL FORWARD ALONG TO THE ZONING BOARD, THIS PROJECT IS ON WITH THE ZONING BOARD, UH, NEXT WEEK, NEXT THURSDAY.
THEY'VE MADE THEIR APPLICATION.
MR. ESTIS IS HERE IN THE EVENT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
BUT, UM, THERE IS ONE AREA OF VARIANCE REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS WHAT? AND THAT RELATES SETBACK.
SO, UH, IF YOU RECALL ON LOT ONE, DUE TO THE RADIUS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE, UM, ROADWAY TERMINATION TO MEET NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE, UH, THIS ANGLE COMING OFF OF LOT ONE AND, AND INTO THE LOT THAT CONTAINS THE ROADWAY CLIPS, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, YOU CANNOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY WITHIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IN THE R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT.
UH, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
SO, UH, THEY NEED A REDUCTION DOWN FROM 10 FEET TO ZERO TO 2.5.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT THIS BOARD ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD WITH THE VAN KOTT SUBDIVISION, UH, THE REBELL SUBDIVISION VAN COTT AVENUE.
VERY SIMILAR VARIANCE IN IN CONNECTION WITH THAT.
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A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE IF FOR SUBDIVISION CORRECT.
THEY NEED TO OBTAIN THAT VARIANCE FIRST.
SO IF WE HAVE SOME SITE ISSUES, WE DON'T NEED TO DEAL WITH THEM TONIGHT, WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM AT THE TIME OF THE THE TIME, YES.
MR. ESCALADES IS ANTICIPATING TO COME IN AHEAD OF ANY PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THE REVISED PLAN, WHICH HE DID SUBMIT.
UH, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SNOW STORAGE AREA, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING.
ALL THAT IS GONNA BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, WHICH WILL BE COMING BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AS ALL RIGHT.
SO GIVEN THAT, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY? WE ARE IN A WORK SESSION MA'AM.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THIS BEFORE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON? YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON DRIVEWAY.
SO, SO THE ACTUAL ASPHALT DRIVEWAY, WHATEVER IT'S MADE OF IS GONNA BE WITHIN 2.5 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
PROPERTY LINE RATHER THAN 10 FEET SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT IN THIS AREA? YEAH.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE REQUIRED TURNING RADIUS FOR THE, UH, ROAD LEAD FIRE PEOPLES, CORRECT? WE DO.
CAN THAT, CAN THAT BE MADE FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE BLOCKS, THE GRASS THAT GOES THROUGH? WE COULD, WE COULD REC PUT THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO PUT PAPERS IN SURE.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE 7.5 FEET, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD PUT, I WOULD JUST DO THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY AND PAVERS IF WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH THE PLOWING AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY GOT PAVERS UP FRONT FOR HOW MANY FEET THERE? THEY DO HAVE THE PAVERS HERE.
OH, SO WOOD MATCH, YOU COULD DO LIKE THE FIRST FEW FEET OF THE DRIVEWAY WOULD MATCH.
WE, WE, WE'D HAVE TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, I MEAN I THINK IT'LL BE OKAY.
MR. ESCALADES, WOULD, YOU KNOW IF, UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD A SITUATION IN THE PAST WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DISTRICT WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THE PAVERS CAN SUPPORT THEIR APPARATUS.
I TOLD YOU THEY'RE GONNA BACK OUT ANYWAY.
THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA TURN AROUND IN THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA BACK OUT 50 FEET.
YOU DID? AND WE VERIFIED THAT ACTUALLY I WAS, THAT WAS MY GONNA BE MY POINT.
THEY NEVER, THE SUBSOIL WILL BE COMPACTED UNDER ALL OF THAT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD RESIST THE LOAN OF THE APPARATUS.
BUT, UH, IT WOULD, THEY WOULD NEVER TURN, THEY WOULD GO IN AND OUT STRAIGHT.
IF, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT, WHY DO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SO BIG? MAKE IT FOR A VEHICLE THAT'S NOT GOING TO USE IT.
WHO'S TELLING US TO THE FIRE CODE? THE CODE IS THE SO THEY WOULD NEED A VARIANCE.
THE CODE, THEY'LL NEED A VARIANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WELL I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
IT WOULD BE, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROVERSIAL VARIANCE IF YOU YEAH, THEY WANT IT, THEY WANT THIS EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO THIS IS AN EASIER VARIANCE FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO LET'S LOOK, I I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD SAYING IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
THE FIRE DISTRICT SAYS IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT IT'S REQUIRED, BUT IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE.
WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THEY PUT IN, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT STUFF? CUR PAVERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND UM, JUST FOR THAT SECTION YOU MEAN? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
JUST FOR THE 7.5 FEET THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CODE.
WELL, I MEAN MAYBE THEY JUST EXTEND THE PAVERS DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT WELL, THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY CAN DO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE APPLICANT IS A GOOD, IS A GOOD HEAD.
THEY'LL DO WHAT HE CAN DO TO MAKE HIM LOOK NICE.
I, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL KE GO AHEAD.
I SAY I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO DO THAT AND AMELIA SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM TOO, DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COST CLIENT MUCH LESS MONEY.
AND IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, WHY? TO CREATE A, UH, UNNECESSARY IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, JUST SO THAT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS PROPOSAL, WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY DECISION ON THIS.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS RECOMMENDING IT TO THE ZONING FOR YOU.
SO, RIGHT, THE DECISION IT THAT WILL GO WHAT? PARDON? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT, UH, HUGH ISN'T IT THAT IF YOU, IF THEY DO THAT, THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE? NO, THEY WILL GET IT.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE, WHAT MICHAEL'S PROPOSING, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH HIM, IS THAT WE, WE GIVE GIVE A, AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC, JUST SO YOU DON'T, DON'T, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS BEFORE SOMETHING GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD, IF WE'RE INVOLVED AS AN AGENCY, OKAY.
AND THIS CASE, WE'RE THE LEAD AGENCY BECAUSE IT'S A SUBDIVISION.
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LEAD AGENCY.WHEN IT'S BOTH, BOTH BOARDS, UM, THE ZONING BOARD LIKES TO GET OUR OPINION BEFORE THEY MAKE A DECISION.
IT'S NOT A BINDING OPINION AT ALL.
THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT THEY ASK US OR OPINION.
IT CAN EITHER BE A POSITIVE, A NEUTRAL OR NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION IF WE SEE NO ISSUE WITH IT AND WE THINK IT SOLVES ANOTHER PROBLEM.
IN THIS CASE, TRYING TO COMPLY WITH CODE IN TERMS OF A FIRE, A HAMMERHEAD FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT, IT MAKES SENSE TO US.
SO WE'D MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION IF WE REALLY HATE IT AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN A COUPLE CASES, THE, AND THEY'RE GOING FOR SAYS WE GIVE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETIMES WE SAY, THIS REALLY IS UP TO THEM COMPLETELY.
WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN ON IT AT ALL.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS DECIDING WHETHER POSITIVE.
I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL TO, TO THE PUBLIC.
I IT'S ALL, IT'S VERY HARD FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE NOT HERE ALL THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS TONIGHT, I LIKE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, IT'S JUST ABOUT THAT ONE, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF FEET IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I GOT SETBACK AND IT'S BETWEEN TWO PROPOSED HOMES.
IT HAS NO BEARING ON OFFSITE PROPERTIES.
IT'S BETWEEN TWO PROPOSED HOMES.
I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT THESE STRIPS HERE ON EACH OF THE DRIVEWAYS, THOSE PAVER, THOSE ARE PAVERS, THEY WERE SHOWN AS PAVERS.
SO THE QUESTION IS, MR. ESCALADES, YES.
YOU, YOU HAVE PAVERS LIKE THE POOR PERVIOUS, PAVERS, YOU KNOW, STRIPS.
THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY THESE PAVERS ARE ADDED OTHER THAN JUST HAVING THE, THE NORMAL PAVEMENT WAS THAT THE BOARD, UH, WAS ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE.
SO WE CAME UP WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S A NICE THING TO ADD TO THE HOUSE AND IT DOES KEEP THE STORAGE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE CAN TAKE IT OUT AND STILL MEET THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, I THINK MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU MODIFIED FROM A PERVIOUS PAVER TO THE GRASS CREEK FOR THIS LOT, WOULD THERE BE ANY OBJECTION THERE? NONE.
SO WE PUT THAT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK, YEAH, I THINK ON THE SIDE YARD, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WELL, HE MAY DECIDE TO DO THE WHOLE THING.
DO THE WHOLE, IT LOOKS BUT BETTER IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY, FINE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS? NO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IN THERE OF, UH, ADDING, USING GRASS CREEK IN THE, IN THE, UH, VAR THE AREA OF VARIANCE, ALL THE REASONS HERETO FOR ENUNCIATED.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? MICHAEL? DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? WALTER, YOU WANNA BE SECOND? WALTER, DO YOU WANT SECOND NICK? CORRECT.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, SO WE'LL TRANSMIT THAT AS WELL AS THE SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AHEAD OF ITS MEETING NEXT WEEK.
NOW WE CAN TAKE AMENT OF AND GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING IF BARBARA CAN I HAVE MR. ESCAL WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
SO SHE GETS HOME SOMETIME TONIGHT? YEAH.
WE WILL TRANSIT THAT ALONG TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO AARON, I WAS, I WAS UP TO, UH, OKAY.
WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE TWO CASES REGARDING THIS EVENING.
DID NOT MAY, COULD YOU CALL THE SURE PERSON SCHWARTZ? HERE.
WE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. F*G AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT PRESENT.
FIRST CASE IS PV 2211, WHICH IS A
ARE THEY ON, UH, ZOOM WITH US TODAY? YES, THEY ARE.
WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. LONE AND HIS DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, MR. RASHAN.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE YOU GO THROUGH, UH, MR. VSAN AND, AND DESCRIBE TO US THE, THE PROJECT AND, AND HOW IS
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GONNA GO AND AS BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE.UM, YEAH, SO, UH, MR. GOONE, UM, HAS A STEEP, UH, BACKYARD.
UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT REALLY, UH, STREET FACING.
IT'S IN BETWEEN OTHER, UH, OTHER PROPERTIES.
UM, AT ONE POINT THE RETAINING WALL WAS BUILT, UM, IT COLLAPSED.
WE BEEN ENGAGED, UM, TO PROVIDE DRAWINGS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL.
UM, CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN OR, OH, DOES IT WORK AB ABSOLUTELY.
THE SHARE SCREEN IS ENABLED AND IF YOU COULD SPEAK UP FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR STENOGRAPHER.
UM, YES, DO, DO YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES, YOU DO.
SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, IN THE BACKYARD, UM, THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY YOU CAN SEE HERE AND THE GRAY LINES, UM, HE'S PROPOSING TO INSTALL, IT'S A DOUBLE TIERED WALLET.
SO THE ORIGINAL WALL THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE FEET.
I, I'M NOT SURE 'CAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DOWN, BUT WE'RE BUILDING IT IN STEPS NOW.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT FIVE FOOT ON EACH TIER.
UM, AND WE HAVE 10 FOOT SPACING IN BETWEEN THEM, WHICH IS DOUBLE THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL.
IT'S WHERE WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A BIG WALL IN ONE SHOT THAT'S SURCHARGING THE LOW, THE LOWER WALL.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
I, UM, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL? YEAH.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY THIS IS THE, RIGHT, THIS IS THE DRAWINGS AND THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS OF THEM.
THIS IS KIND OF LIKE IN SECTION WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT'S TWO MODULAR BLOCK WALLS WITH GEOGRIDS.
UM, KIND OF LIKE AN ALLEN BLOCK SYSTEM ARE SIMILAR.
UM, IT HAS GRAVEL BEHIND, UM, THE WALL, UM, TO RELIEVE ANY KIND OF HYDRO HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE.
UM, IT'S PRETTY HIGH UP, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GROUND, UH, WATER THERE.
ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
THERE'S ONE SECTION OF THE, IN THE CORNER THAT, THAT GETS A LITTLE TALL.
IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FOOT EIGHT, UM, RIGHT IN THE CORNER.
UM, SO IT KIND OF, THIS, THE SLOPE GOES DOWN.
SO OVER HERE, UM, THE GREAT MEAT AND THEN THEY KIND OF START, UM, SEPARATING.
UM, IT GETS ABOUT FIVE FOOT HERE AND THEN EIGHT FOOT HERE, AND THEN IT KIND OF TAPERS BACK DOWN TO THREE FEET UP HERE.
WHERE ARE THE NEIGHBORS IN RELATION TO THAT WALL? YEAH, SO IF YOU, IF YOU SEE LIKE HE'S, HE SURROUNDED BY NEIGHBORS.
SO THERE'S A NEIGHBOR RIGHT THERE AND THE NEIGHBORS.
SO HOW FAR DO YOU THINK IT IS FROM THAT OUTER WALL TO THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR? UM, WHICH, WHICH WALL IS THE OTHER WALL? THE, THE OUTER, THE OUTER WALL.
THE OUTER, UH, PART, THE OUTER WALL IS RIGHT ON.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE ROB LINE.
IT'S, UH, YOU, YEAH, IT'S LIKE SIX INCHES AWAY.
LIKE THE FOOTING IS BUILT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT FROM THE HOUSE ITSELF, THEIR HOUSE 30 FEET, 20 FEET.
YOU SEE THAT HOUSE OFF THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE? YES.
UM, I CAN MEASURE IT REAL QUICK.
REMEMBER IN THAT PHOTO I DID AS YOU'RE MEASURING THAT AND WE APPRECIATE THAT, UH, THE BOARD AT THE WORK SESSION HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, RIGHT? THE BOARD HAD A QUESTION ABOUT POTENTIAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE.
IT ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO TOUCH ON THOSE TWO POINTS.
YEAH, SO WE, UM, WE ADDED, BUT THE MEASUREMENT, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE, YEAH, SO WE PROVIDED, UM, YESTERDAY THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE WALL, UH, CALCULATION PACKAGE.
THEN THE, UH, AND THEN WE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH LANDSCAPING HAPPENING.
THIS AREA DOWN HERE IS GRASS OR GRAVEL AND NOT CITED YET.
MAYBE PORTIONS OF IT WOULD BE GRAVEL WHERE THE PLAY AREA WOULD BE.
UM, AND THE ONE THING THAT WAS ADDED IS AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, PRIVACY OR YEAH, UP TO EIGHT FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE BACK HERE.
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THAT'S THE LANDSCAPING IN, IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE.I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE DRAINAGE PATTERN.
UM, WE ARE SLOWING DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, BY, BY FLYING THE LOT, WE ARE ADDING GRASS.
UM, THERE'S GRAVEL BEHIND THE WALLS TOO THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE SOME RETENTION.
UM, AND YOU'RE LEVELING, THAT'S REALLY, YOU'RE LEVELING THE YARD MORE THAN IT IS NOW.
SO THE CORRECT THAT, THAT'S NOT THE SLOPE SLOW.
IT'S STILL ESSENTIALLY DRAINING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
WERE YOU PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT OUTER WALL FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S A FIVE DAY FOOT WALL FACING A NEIGHBOR WHO DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE THAT FAR AWAY IS NOT A PRETTY SITE WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY LANDSCAPING.
AND I YOU DON'T LEAVE ROOM FOR LANDSCAPING DOWN THERE 'CAUSE YOU HAVE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT AT LEAST DOING SOMETHING WITH IVY OR SOMETHING ON, ON THE WALL, SOME KIND OF CRAWLING VEGETATION.
SO YOU, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE NEIGHBOR HAS LANDSCAPING ON HER SIDE OF THAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THAT WALL.
WHAT WAS THAT NEIGHBOR HAS LANDSCAPING ON HER SIDE? COULD, YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS YOU'RE ABLE TO SHOW? YEAH, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT SHE'S GOT THERE.
AND IF IT'S REALLY GOING TO, HE OR SHE HAS, BECAUSE I, I REALLY, I, I DON'T LIKE WHEN WE BUILD THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE A FORK ALSO, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, PIGGYBACK OFF THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AT THE WORK SESSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, MR. PON INDICATED THAT HE INTENDED TO PLANT OUR VARIETY AND WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THOSE WERE GONNA BE INCLUDED WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLANT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO, BUT PERHAPS AS AN ALTERNATIVE, YOU WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING THE CREEPING IVY, YOU KNOW, AT THE TOP OF THE WALL THAT WOULD BASICALLY GROW DOWN THE WALL AND KIND OF SCREEN IT A BIT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, WE COULD PUT IVY IF YOU WANT.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
I TOLD WE HAD TO PUT A FENCE UP.
WELL, HEY, CAN I MAKE, GET A WORD IN? CAN I BE RECOGNIZED? WALTER, GO AHEAD.
UM, THAT FENCE IS GONE FROM, WITH THE WALL AND AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT IS GOING FROM THE LOW END, UH, WILL BE ABOUT 10 FEET.
IF IT IS TWO, I THINK THE, YOU INDICATED THAT THE WALL WOULD BE TWO FEET AT THE LOWER END AND EIGHT FEET.
SO YOU HAVE A, A COMBINATION WALL AND FENCE OF EIGHT FEET AT THE LOWEST.
AND AT THE END YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF 16 FEET THAT IS FACING THE NEIGHBOR.
SO THE ISSUE FOR ME IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DRESS THAT UP? YOU SEE? AND, AND, AND, AND JUST LOOKING AT A FENCE AND, UH, AN EIGHT FEET OF WALL WITHOUT ANY VEGETATION.
I THINK THAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NEIGHBOR.
WE SEE A NOTE ON THE PLAN THAT SAYS FENCE HEIGHT, EIGHT FOOT MAX.
UM, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FELT WAS A SPECIFICATION YOU NEEDED TO MEET OR THAT WAS YOUR DESIRE? WELL, I THINK THE, FOR THE WALL, I THINK OF, UH, A SAFETY FENCE IS ONLY, WHAT, 40 INCHES? IS THAT CORRECT? FOUR AARON, FOUR FEET I THINK, RIGHT? HUH? YEAH, I BELIEVE FOUR FEET.
SO LET THE APPLICANT SO THEREFORE LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN FOR THE DEFENSE WAS, PLEASE.
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, GET UNDERSTANDING OF THE CODE FOUR.
YEAH, NO, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED FOR A GUARDRAIL EIGHT FEET.
THAT'S, THAT WAS A, A DESIRE FROM THE CLIENT.
YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A GUARDRAIL.
YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A RAIL.
I'M SAYING IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE H SEAT TALL.
RIGHT? IT'S REQUIRED TO BE, I BELIEVE FOUR.
BUT YOU SAID EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION IT WAS A PRIVACY FENCE.
SO IS IT THE, IN THE INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE FOR THEIR PRIVACY ON TOP OF THE WALL? JUST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND, I, I ORIGINALLY WANTED TO PUT THE, UH, THE TREES UP.
I DON'T WANT THE TREES GROWN INTO THE FENCE AND EVENTUALLY KNOCKING THE FENCE DOWN.
JUSTIN, EXPLAIN WHAT? OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE? I, I REALLY NEVER WANTED A FENCE.
YOU'RE, BUT IF, IF WE REQUIRED TO PUT A FENCE UP, THAT'S THE FENCE ONLY HAS TO BE FOUR FEET TALL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO REQUIRE FENCE AND IT DOESN'T
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YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOLID.YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OPTIONS THERE.
WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE THE FENCE EIGHT FEET HIGH? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ALLOWED TO GO TO.
BECAUSE I WAS TAKING AWAY THE TREES BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, AND IN PLACE OF THE TREES, YOU, YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED OR WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO? I THOUGHT WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED, WELL, OKAY, BUT LET'S SAY YOU'RE ALLOWED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
WHY DO YOU WANT A FENCE THAT'S SO HIGH? WHY DO YOU WANT IT? I, I WANT, I WANTED THE TREES AT THE LAST MEETING.
I, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TREES.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE TREES AND HAVE THE TREES GROW INTO THE FENCE AND EVENTUALLY KNOCK THEM DOWN THE FENCE.
WE'RE NOT RECORDING IN CIRCLES.
SO IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IS IT THAT, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS REQUIRED? IF WE CAN GO LOWER, WE'LL GET A LOWER.
SO I THINK THE POINT THAT, UH, MICHAEL IS TRYING TO MAKE THAT IS THAT EIGHT FOOT IS NOT REQUIRED.
AND IT, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR ANYWHERE FROM FOUR FEET TO EIGHT FEET.
SO IS IT YOUR DESIRE TO MAKE IT EIGHT, EIGHT FEET OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH MAKING IT FOUR FEET? NO, I CAN GO LOWER.
SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE FENCE ON TOP OF THE WALL FOR THE FULL EXTENT OF THE WALL, FOUR FEET.
FOUR FEET, IT'S UP TO 12 FEET.
SO IT'S EIGHT AND FOUR AT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
YOU'VE GOT EIGHT FOOT OF WALL PLUS FOUR FEET OF FENCE.
THAT'S 12 FEET TO WALTER'S EARLIER POINT.
WHICH IS WHY WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NO, NOTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
FROM LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S SCREENING THAT FA THAT WOULD BE SCREENING THAT WALL.
AND WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT YOU NEED TO FIND SOMETHING LIKE A CRAWLING, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, IVY, CRAWLING IVY TO CRAWL DOWN THERE TO AT LEAST BREAK UP THE, THE, THE IMPACT OF THAT VERY, VERY HIGH WALL.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
WE COULD PUT IVY, THE SOPER WAS DOWN THE WALL.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF FENCE ARE YOU PROPOSING? I, I WAS LOOKING AT A VINYL FENCE.
SOLID VINYL FENCE OR, OR, OR JUST SLATS PROBABLY ON THE BOTTOM.
WHAT? SOLID J JUST LIKE A SOLID, LIKE A SOLID WEIGHT FENCE.
YOU KNOW THOSE BIG SOLID WEIGHT FENCES? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? PLASTIC? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO YOU ARE PROPOSING A PRIVACY FENCE OF FOUR FEET ON TOP OF AN EIGHT FOOT WALL? YEAH.
WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE MY KIDS, UH, TRAMPOLINE DOWN THERE AND THEIR, THEIR PLACE SET.
SO I GOT, I KIND OF WANT A LITTLE PRIVACY.
ALL THE MORE REASON WHY, WHY WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF VEGETATION ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE IN THE WALL.
AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR OFFICE.
JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT AND WE'LL PUT IT DOWN.
UM, NOW THE 10 FOOT AREA BETWEEN THE INNER WALL AND THE OUTER WALL.
ORIGINALLY WE HAD TALKED THE LAST TIME WE MET IN THE WORK SESSION.
I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU WERE, YOU WOULD PRINT, PUT ARVI IN THERE.
IS THAT STILL STILL THE PLAN? YEAH, WE CAN PUT ARVI.
CAN YOU PROVIDE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, MR. DO WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT? NO, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN JUST HAS A FEW NOTES ON IT.
NO, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN RIGHT NOW DOES NOT SHOW THOSE.
ARE, ARE YOU AGREEABLE? YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED A NUMBER AND A SPECIES.
WE NEED A LANDSCAPING PLAN BEFORE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.
NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPING WITHOUT IT.
UM, BUT I THINK MR. VALONE IS AGREEING TO ADD SOME GREEN GIANT ARE PROVIDING.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBOR.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
UM, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR? THE, THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT FENCE? HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBOR ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FENCE YOU PLAN TO PUT UP? NOT RECENTLY.
'CAUSE I JUST FOUND OUT LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD TO PUT A FENCE UP.
I MEAN, ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBOR AND WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT'S AGREEABLE TO THEM IN TERMS OF COLOR AND TEXTURE SINCE THEY'RE GONNA BE STARING AT IT? NO.
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WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ON SPEAKING TERMS. YOU'RE NOT ON SPEAKING TERMS? NO.WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SINCE THE WALL FELL? SINCE THE WALL FELL DOWN, SHE'S NOT HAPPY.
WELL, ALL THE MORE REASON WHY YOU, IF SHE'D WANTED NOT MAKE HER LESS UNHAPPY, SHE'S HAPPY WHEN, WHEN SHE WANTED ME TO PUT THE WALL UP BECAUSE SHE ASKED ME TO TAKE AWAY THE RUSTY FENCE THAT WAS THERE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THAT FENCE IN FOR LIKE A SOLID VINYL FENCE FOR PRIVACY.
HOWEVER, YOU JUST AGREED TO THE, WITH THE BOARD THAT BETWEEN THE WALLS YOU WOULD PUT IN GREEN GIANT ARBOR, IE.
CAN GROW UP TO 30 FEET PLUS IN HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN TRIM THE TOPS IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT TO A LOWER HEIGHT, BUT THEY CAN GROW THAT TALL.
SO I WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONCERN YOU EXPRESSED ABOUT THEM GROWING INTO THE FENCE AND DESTROYING THE FENCE.
I WOULDN'T BE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
YOU HAVE 10 FEET BETWEEN THE WALLS.
MY QUESTION REALLY PERTAINS TO BEING THAT YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO PUT IN THE GREEN GIANT ARBOR ES, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE SCREENING AND PRIVACY YOU DESIRE BECAUSE THE, THE PLAY AREA WOULD BE ABOVE THE UPPER WALL IN THE AREA OF THE YARD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO GRADE OUT.
RIGHT? YOU COULD PUT IN THOSE GREEN GIANT, RIGHT.
THOSE GREEN GIANT ARBOR BODY WOULD FUNCTION AS THE SCREENING YOU DESIRE.
AND MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN A SOLID FENCE THERE.
YOU CAN JUST PUT IN A SLATTED FENCE.
THE, THE PLAYER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS INSIDE THE SECOND WALL, CORRECT? NO, IT'S GONNA BE DOWN THE LOWER PART.
ON THE UH, ON THE, CAN YOU USE THE CURSOR TO SHOW WHERE THAT WOULD BE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE ON THE PLAN? UH, IT'S GOING YEAH.
AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY MUCH HIGHER THAN THE SIGHT LINE.
WHERE, HOW MUCH HIGHER IS THAT THAN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY? RIGHT THERE? RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH HIGHER, BUT IT GETS LOWER OVER HERE THAN THIS PROPERTY.
SO IN THE OTHER SENSE, IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE FEET IS YOU'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE ON TOP OF THAT TO GIVE YOU THE PRIVACY? YES.
THE PLAN WAS TO GO WITH A FENCE ON THE BACK.
WELL YOU'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE REQUIRED UNDER FOUR FEET OF WALL TO PUT A FENCE, RIGHT? NO, BUT IF THEY WANT PRIVACY AND THE PLAY AREA IS THERE, YOU PUT THE FENCE THE WHOLE WAY AROUND THEM ON THE WALL.
YES, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT.
I JUST HAD THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, OKAY, IF THE PLAY AREA WAS WHERE IT SAYS GRASS OR GRAVEL.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS TO ABOVE THAT, POSSIBLY ONE OR TWO, BUT THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S NEAREST TO THE WALL, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE AREA WHERE THEY WOULD PUT THE GREEN GIANT AES.
SO MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, A, A SOLID FENCE ON TOP OF IT.
WELL, THAT I WAS GONNA SAY, YEAH, YOU COULD PUT A NON SOLID, YOU NEED IT FOR SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A FOUR FOOT FENCE TO GO ACROSS THAT SIDE.
YOU PUT A, SO A LIKE A FLAT FENCE ON THAT SIDE.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT PRIVACY FOR THE KIDS ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE WHERE IT TURNS THE CORNER, WHERE IT TURNS THE CORNER, THAT'S WHERE YOU PUT THE PRIVACY FENCE ON TOP OF THAT LOW WALL.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND YOU ALSO, WHATEVER, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THEY DO SHOW PUT A FLAT NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
YOU DO SHOW THE FENCE EXTENDING BEYOND THE EDGE OF THE WALL.
AND I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD WANT THAT FOR PRIVACY.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT WHERE YOU SHOW THE FENCE EXTENDING BEYOND THE YEAH, SO I, I I SEE THAT YOU HAVE IT THERE AND I GUESS THAT'S FOR PRIVACY.
AND YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY, I THINK WHAT THE BOARD'S ASKING IS, WOULD YOU, YOU TAKE THAT FENCE FROM WHERE IT STARTS, GO TO THE CORNER OF THE WALL AND THAT BE SOLID FOR YOUR PRIVACY WHEN YOU TURN THE CORNER AND GO ALONG WHERE THE WALL COLLAPSED.
YOU, YOU STILL HAVE A FENCE THERE, BUT IT TRANSITIONS FROM A SOLID P V C FENCE TO MAYBE AN ALUMINUM YEAH.
I, WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS WE'RE SPENDING TIME AT A BOARD MEETING WORKING THROUGH SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT WITH STAFF.
AND WE'RE GONNA STOP THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA STOP THIS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC IF THERE ARE ANY ON, ON THIS, THIS.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA KEEP THIS OPEN.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO WORK WITH STAFF AND COME BACK TO US WITH A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND, AND FENCING AND ALL, ALL THAT.
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IN THE IN THERE, MURRAY, ANYBODY ELSE'S GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY.WHILE MR. BODEN IS STEPPING UP TO THE MIC, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT REQUESTED THE LINK.
SO CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION OR? SURE, YEAH.
SO JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, THE MAIN CONCERN IS THE OVERALL HEIGHT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM BELOW, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT VERY HIGH.
THE MAIN CONCERN IS, I THINK WITHOUT ANY, TO, TO BE QUITE FRANK, SIR.
TO COME TO THIS BOARD WITH THIS, THIS THE WAY IT IS AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT IS NOT A GOOD USE OF OUR TIME AND NOT SOMETHING WE, WE APPRECIATE ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE FENCE LOOKS LIKE.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE WORKED THROUGH WITH STAFF.
YOU, THERE WAS A MEETING, A WORK SESSION WHERE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE AND AT WHAT? AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING AND FRANKLY CAME BACK WITH VIRTUALLY NOTHING, WHICH IS WHY THE MEETING'S GONNA BE KEPT OPEN.
AND WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL APPLICATIONS WE HAD TO DEAL WITH TONIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO TURN THIS OVER TO MR. BODEN FOR WHATEVER QUESTION YOU HAVE.
MY OVERALL CONCERN IS GLOBAL WARMING.
I DID NOT KNOW I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS VINYL FENCE, BUT I OBJECT TO USING VINYL AS ENVIRONMENTALLY DETRIMENTAL.
AND I RECOMMEND THAT A NATURAL WOOD FENCE BE INSTALLED INSTEAD.
AND AARON'S SUGGESTION ABOUT TREES IS EXCELLENT.
UM, THE ONES THAT HE DESCRIBED AND TRIMMING THEM AT THE TOP AND KEEPING THEM AT A REASONABLE LEVEL IS THE WAY I THINK IT SHOULD GO.
BUT I THINK, UH, GREENBERG, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, SHOULD DISCOURAGE WHITE VINYL FENCING.
AND EVERY TIME IT COMES UP, I WILL BE HERE TO OBJECT TO IT ON GLOBAL WARMING BASIS.
VERY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT MR. GAN.
UM, SINCE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE, WE HAVE NOBODY ON ZOOM, RIGHT? IS THERE ANYONE ON THE ZOOM CALL THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THIS HEARING FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH MEANS THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU CAN BE ON IS IN JANUARY.
WHAT'S UP? JANUARY 4TH? CORRECT.
SO OUR NEXT HEARING WILL BE JANUARY 4TH, YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK OUT.
AND SO THE NEXT TIME YOU COME IN, YOU COME IN WITH A PLAN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE.
IS THAT GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING OR A WORK SESSION? IT'S STILL A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE IN PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT, YOUR ADJOURN, BUT WE'RE JUST ADJOURNING KEEPING IT OPEN.
UM, AND ALSO I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE AT LEAST YOUR ENGINEER IF YOU DON'T, I'M SPEAKING TERMS WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR TO AT LEAST INFORM THE NEIGHBOR WHAT'S GOING ON AS WELL.
MICHAEL, WAS IT SOMETHING? I'M JUST, OKAY.
OKAY, THE NEXT HEARING IS, UH, CASE PB 2217.
UH, OH, I GOTTA GET YOUR NAME RIGHT, STEFANO? YES.
I DID THAT RIGHT? YES, YOU DID.
THIS IS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AS A PUBLIC, UH, HEARING TO DISCUSS, UH, A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL PATIO AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON A ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
AND YOUR CLIENT DID A WONDERFUL JOB ON HIS OWN THE LAST TIME HE REALLY DID.
SO, UH, WE NEED YOU TO TOP THAT NOW,
UH, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'D APPRECIATE YOU GOING, TAKING A FEW MINUTES AND GOING THROUGH IT.
SO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T MANY PEOPLE HERE, BUT PEOPLE DO WATCH ON TV SURE.
SO I, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH THE PLAN AGAIN.
FIRST STATE YOUR NAME, RIGHT? SURE.
AARON, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT AND YES, I AGREE.
HE DID A GREAT JOB LAST MEETING.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING A, UM, WE'RE HERE FOR A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
WE'RE PROPOSING A POOL AND PATIO, UM, IN CONNECTION TO A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AT FIVE CHALFORD LANE.
UM, THE POOL AND VARIOUS PATIOS ARE ALL ZONING
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COMPLIANT.UM, THERE'S A SE SERIES OF TIERED WALLS TO, UM, MITIGATE, UM, MITIGATE THE STEEP SLOPES ON SITE, WHICH, UM, ARE LOCATED AT THE POOL.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE.
UM, THE WALLS WILL ALL BE LESS THAN FOUR FEET, MANY OF WHICH WOULD BE ONE TO TWO FEET, UM, SPECIFICALLY AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE HOUSE.
ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A STORM ORDER SYSTEM.
UM, IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM, 6.4 INCHES, UM, WHICH IS THE CURRENT, UM, STORM EVENT.
YOU KNOW WHAT QUESTION'S GONNA COME UP, RIGHT? YOU SAID I DID, I DID MY HOMEWORK.
UM, SO IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM.
UH, IN ADDITION, IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE FOOTING DRAINS.
SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
UM, IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DEPENDENT ON GROUNDWATER LEVELS AT THE TIME, BUT IT IS, I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'VE INCREASED THE, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF RAIN AS A RESULT? I, I BELIEVE IT USED TO BE FIVE AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR CODE AS WELL.
SO IS THAT SIX? SO IT'S ABOUT 20% INCREASE.
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT THERE YET, BUT THEY'RE GETTING THERE.
AND THEN ONE OTHER ITEM THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THE OVERFLOW.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
THE CATCH BASIN IN THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY WILL ACT SIMILAR TO THE EFFECT OF A LEVEL SPREADER AT A SMALLER, UM, SCALE.
THE WATER WILL ESSENTIALLY CASCADE OUT OF THE BASIN.
IT'S NOT FOR COLLECTION, IT'S REVERSE SLOPE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A PIPE DAY LIGHTING.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE EROSIVE FLOWS.
ESSENTIALLY, IT'LL ACT AS A LEVEL SPREADER.
DOES IT SLOW IT DOWN OR JUST DISSIPATE IT? UM, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T SLOW IT DOWN.
THAT'S THE STORM STORMWATER SYSTEM SLOWING IT DOWN.
SO IT'S THE WHICH IS DISSIPATING IT.
UM, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THE OVERFLOW SYSTEM.
COULD YOU TRY IT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE? SURE.
SO COMING OUT OF THE INFILTRATION SYSTEM YEAH.
IS A PIPE REVERSE PITCHED TO THAT BASIN SO IT'S PITCHED DOWNHILL TO, IT'S THE, IT'S PITCHED DOWN TO THE BASIN.
IT'S PITCHED DOWN TO THE BASIN.
SO COMING FROM THE TEX IT GOES UP.
SO AS THE WATER RISES IN THE TEX AND EXCEEDS THE CAPACITY OF THE CALEX, THE WATER WILL RISE OUT OF THAT BASIN.
UM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WERE TO DISCHARGE TO A LEVEL SPREADER AS WELL, AND, AND THEN IT COMES OUT THE PIPE.
NO, IT WOULD, IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE TOP OF THE BASIN RIGHT HERE WHERE, WHERE MY CURSOR IS.
IT WOULD COME OUT OUT OF THAT BASIN, BUT IT KIND OF BUBBLES OUT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BASIN AND A CULTEC? WELL, THE CULTECH IS HOLDING THE WATER AND INFILTRATING IT INTO THE GROUND, PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE GROUND.
IT'S JUST THIS, THIS IS STRICTLY FOR COLLECTING WATER.
UM, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT USING IT TO COLLECT WATER, WE'RE ACTUALLY USING IT TO RELEASE.
BUT LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND.
LEMME LEMME, ISN'T THAT A PIPE, THAT THING THAT LOOKS LIKE A PIPE, IS THAT A PIPE? YES.
LET, LET ME SEE IF I, AND IT, AND IT AND, AND THE LOW POINT IS BY THE CULTECH.
AND THE HIGH POINT IS WHAT IN THE FRONT LAWN IS YES.
AT A STRUCTURE, A STORM ORDER STRUCTURE WITH A GRATE.
SO AS THAT SYSTEM FILLS UP AND IT FILLS, IF THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM IS EXCEEDED, THEN THE WATER COMES INTO THE GRATE AND INTO THE STREET.
THE DIFFERENCE INTO, INTO THE LAWN AREA DIFFERENCE, IT DAYLIGHTS ONTO THE, SO YOU COULD SEE IT BUBBLING OUT.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS RATHER THAN JUST BE ONE PIPE AND CONCENTRATED, IT'S, IT'S DISSIPATED.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE WATER COMING OUT OF THE PIPE.
IT'LL MORE BE BUBBLING OUT AND FLOWING ACROSS THE LAWN.
I KNOW YOU, I KNOW YOU PLAN FOR A 25 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS REQUIRED.
AND I ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN I VISITED MR. STEPANOVICH, UM, AND HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HIS BASEMENT, YOU KNOW, ALL ABOUT HIS BASEMENT AND THE WATER THAT WENT INTO THE BASEMENT.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF WE GET 10 INCHES INSTEAD OF SIX, IF WE GET A 50 YEAR STORM, IS THAT GONNA GO INTO YOUR CLIENT'S BASEMENT OR IS THE OVERFLOW SYSTEM GONNA HANDLE THAT EXTRA WATER? IT, IT WOULD BE THE OVERFLOW SYSTEM.
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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IN A LARGER STORM, ALL THE WATER WOULD BACK UP TO THOSE PIPES AND IT WOULD BE RELEASED THROUGH THAT CATCH BASIN IN THE DRIVEWAY.AND ONCE IT EXCEEDS THAT FLOW, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BACK UP TO THE NEXT CATCH BASIN.
THE PUMP SYSTEM HAS, UM, BACKFLOW VALVES, SO THAT PUMP SYSTEM'S GONNA KEEP PUMPING UNTIL PUMP, THERE'S NO PUMP SYSTEM IN THE BASEMENT.
IN THE BASEMENT FOR THE BASEMENT UNTIL THERE'S NO WATER TO BE PUMPED.
SO THAT WILL STILL BE FILLING THAT, UH, INFILTRATION SYSTEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MR. SIMON OR MR. DESAI? ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, YEAH.
UM, WHAT, GRANTED THAT YOU MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENT, BUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO PUT A FEW MORE, UM, CULTECH UNIT, UH, RIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE IT NOW TO INCREASE CAPACITY?
UM, BUT JUST NOT IF WE EXCLUDE THE NO, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE, WE KNOW THAT I'LL, I'LL CODE IS BEHIND THE TIMES.
SO THE CODE OH, AND YOU'RE MEETING THE CODE.
BUT WHAT WE RECOGNIZE OUR CODE IS BEHIND THE TIME.
SO WE ASKED APPLICANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS CAN THEY INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THEIR SYSTEM BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE 25 YEAR CODE IS NOT ADEQUATE.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO THE SAME THING.
SO, MR. SIMON, UM, AND, AND YOU MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT UM, MR. HANNEY MENTIONED IT UPFRONT IS THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE 25 YEAR STORM, WE KNOW THAT OUR CODE'S BEHIND, BUT THERE HAS BEEN NEW DATA RELEASED RELATED TO THE SIZE OR, UH, OF THE STORM EVENTS, THE, THE INCHES OF RAIN.
AND THEY HAVE DESIGNED TO THE NEW STANDARD, WHICH IS BEYOND OUR CODE.
HOW DOES THE NEW STANDARD COMPARE TO OUR OLD STANDARD? IF WE WERE TO USE OUR OLD STANDARD MEASUREMENT, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THE NEW STANDARD IS A 30 YEAR STORM, 40 YEAR STORM SITUATION, 20% INCREASE FROM WHERE WE WERE A 20% INCREASE? YES.
THAT MAKES, YEAH, I COULD REPORT BACK THAT MAKES IT THAT.
SO, SO IT MAKES IT ABOUT A 30 YEAR, IT BRINGS IT UP TO ABOUT A 30 YEAR.
IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD ON WHAT THE FORMER CALCULATIONS WERE, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S INDICATED IS THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNED FOR THE CURRENT 25 YEAR AT 6.4 INCHES.
I'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE PRIOR SIX, 4.4 INCHES WOULD LINE UP AS.
LEMME ASK THE ENGINEER QUESTION.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF GROUNDWATER ON IT, OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PUMPS IN THE BASEMENT.
SO EVEN IF YOU PUT ANOTHER COUPLE AXS IN THERE AND YOU HAVE A RAINSTORM LIKE THIS, IS IT GONNA REALLY MAKE THAT MUCH D DIFFERENCE OR THEY WILL, THEY JUST FILL RIGHT AWAY AS A RESULT OF THAT? WELL, SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE, AND IT'S A BALANCING ACT.
SO IF WE LOOK AT JUST THE SYSTEM FROM A SURFACE WATER RUNOFF STANDPOINT, THAT SYSTEM WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE THIS GROUND MORTAR ELEMENT COMING FROM THE PUMPS IN THE BASEMENT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO PINPOINT, UM, BECAUSE GROUND FLUCTUATES.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING OFF OF PUMP TIMES AS WELL 'CAUSE THE PUMPS AREN'T ALWAYS RUNNING MM-HMM.
UM, SO WE ADDED EXTRA CAPACITY FOR THE ANTICIPATED PUMP SEARCH.
BUT, AND THAT WAS IN YOUR CALCULATIONS, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T REALLY PART OF THIS PROJECT WHEN RIGHT? YES.
THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED, UM, IN OUR STORMWATER.
SO IF, SO LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY TOO.
LET ME HELP YOU HERE A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS PUT THE PUMP ASIDE AND LET'S JUST TAKE WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, WHICH IS THE POOL AND THE, AND THE, AND THE STONE WALLS AND, AND THE PATIO.
IF THAT'S ALL YOU WERE DESIGNING FOR, THIS WOULD BE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM UNDER THE DEFINITION WE'VE BEEN USING.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT WOULD BE OVER THE CURRENT A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, WHICH IS NOT OVER NINE INCHES OF RAIN.
SO THE ONLY REASON IT'S NOT THAT, BUT IT STILL EXCEEDS THE NEW STANDARD FOR 25 YEAR STORM IS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES
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THAT HIS, YOUR CLIENT'S HAVING IN THE BASEMENT.DOES THAT HELP WALTER? YES, THAT HELPS.
SO IN TERMS OF RUNOFF, IN TERMS OF RUNOFF OF THE, OF, UH, THE WATER FROM THAT PROPERTY, IT MEETS THE STANDARD.
IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE, THAT THE, IT EXCEEDS THE STANDARD BY FAR EXCEEDS THE STANDARD.
THAT, THAT THE CLIENT HAS A PROBLEM WATER IN THE BASEMENT, WHICH THEY'RE PUMPING INTO THE COW ACK, THAT REDUCES, UH, THE EFFECTIVE CAPACITY.
I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS A VERY ROBUST SYSTEM THAT YOU, YOU'RE PUTTING IN HERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT.
SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE BOARD BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
UH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, UH, UH, WELL DESIGNED FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, HUNDRED YEAR STORM, BUT I STILL DON'T GET THE, THE REASON FOR HAVING THE OVERFLOW UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAY GO UNDER THE FINAL AND, UH, WHY YOU NEED THAT IF, IF THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO TAKE CARE OF IT, 'CAUSE OF THE PUMP.
SO, SO GENERALLY, UM, AND THIS ISN'T SPECIFIC TO GREENBERG, BUT UM, MOST ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS, WHEN THEY REVIEW THE PLANS, THEY LIKE AN OVERFLOW.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE'S SITUATIONS WHERE THE SYSTEM EXCEEDS ITS CAPACITY AND IT BREAKS THAT PRESSURE, PRESSURE LOCK ON THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
WELL, PART OF IT TOO, THE FACT THAT YOU, YOU JUST SAID IT EARLIER, YOU'VE GOT AN UNKNOWN, RIGHT.
WHICH IS WHAT, HOW MUCH WATER YOU'RE PUMPING OUT IN THE BASEMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF IT BEEN RINGING FOR 30 DAYS, LIKE AN INCH A DAY, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE, THESE STORMS, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE HAD A DROUGHT FOR 30 DAYS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET THAT AMOUNT, AMOUNT OR, YOU KNOW, IT, IT VARIED.
THERE ARE LOT OF REASONS IT COULD VARY.
AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS TO HELP MITIGATE THAT VARIANCE.
AND YES, AND WITH THAT SAID, IF THERE'S WATER COMING OUT OF THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW BECAUSE THE STREET WILL BE
MURRAY, IT WOULD BE THAT BIG OF A STORM.
IT WOULD BE A MAJOR STORM EVENT.
TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW STORM, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE WATER'S COMING FROM DOWNTURN.
WE'VE BEEN, THERE'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I, I, SO MY, JUST TO CONCLUDE, SO I UNDERSTAND.
SO THIS IS A STANDARD ENGINEERING PRACTICE TO CREATE AN OVERFLOW YEAH.
FROM THE TOP OF THE CALTECH UNIT BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN THIS, SO, OKAY.
JUST TO, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE BOARD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? MR. BOWDEN? DOES HERE? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE.
YES, I'D MC TO SPEAK IF I COULD.
HI, IT SAYS ANDREW MCNE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY HIS WIFE.
ALLISON, HOW ARE YOU? HI THERE.
CAN WE SEE YOU OR ARE WE GOING TO JUST HEAR YOU? YOU JUST HEAR ME? I'M SORRY.
UM, UH, SO I'M, I'M ACTUALLY THE BACK DOOR NEIGHBOR, UM, ON THIS PROJECT.
AND I, I THINK OUR PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE PRIVACY.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE THEM SPEAK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN A LITTLE BIT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, ALSO, ALSO THERE ARE TWO, UH, PINE TREES ON THE PROPERTY THAT GIVE PRIVACY AS WELL AS A STONEWALL AND A FENCE, UH, IN THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR PLAN IS THERE.
CAN, CAN YOU, UH, ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS ON LANDSCAPING, PRIVACY? SURE.
UM, I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, BUT THEY, THEY DO HAVE ALONG THE, UM, RETAINING WALL ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, SOME EVERGREEN SHRUBS TO PROVIDE, UH, PRIVACY.
UM, THAT IS ALSO THE HIGH SIDE OF THE WALL AS WELL.
SO THAT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE WILL, UM, ALSO HELP WITH THE PRIVACY FACTOR.
WHERE IS YOUR HOUSE IN RE IN RELATION TO WHERE THE POOL'S BEING BUILT? UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY BEHIND IT, SO IT WOULD BE, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE ELEVATED TO THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING DOWN INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY PROBABLY WANT, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE PROBABLY CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AS MUCH AS YOU ARE THEN I WOULD THINK.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M, I'LL SAY ABOUT PLAN.
SO, SO WHAT YOU, YOU CAN, YOU SEE, CAN YOU, ARE YOU WATCHING ON TV AND SEEING THE, UH, PLANT? YES.
SO YOU SEE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING, THOSE CAN BE AVID.
THERE CAN BE EVERGREEN'S BEHIND THE POOL TO SCREEN IT.
THERE'S NO FENCE BEHIND THERE THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE, THE,
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THE WALL, THE FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.OH, THERE'S A FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHICH BECAUSE IS OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF THE, THE, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THEES.
AND HOW LONG IT'S WHAT? SIX FEET IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE POOL OR FOUR FEET? FOUR FEETS REQUIRED FOR POOL.
SO IS IT FOUR? IS IT PRIVACY FENCE IN THE BACK? DO YOU KNOW? IS IT SLATS OR IS IT A PRIVACY FENCE? IT'S SLATS, IT'S SLOTS.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT.
YOU SEE THROUGH, IT'S NOT A SOLID.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW, BUT, BUT THE, THE THING PROVIDING THE SCREENING FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO BE THE OUT PRIVATE, THE VEGETATION.
DOES THAT HELP YOU, MR. AND, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, THE STONE WALL IS REMAINS CORRECT.
THERE'S NOTHING GOING TO BE HAPPENING WITH STONE.
THERE'S A STONE WALL ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT.
SO STONEWALL, I BELIEVE IS, IS, UH, UH, SPANNING THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO TO TO TOUCH THE STONE WALL, CORRECT? JUST MAKE, JUST MAKING SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MA'AM? JUST NOT, UH, NO.
THE ONLY OTHER ONES WERE, UM, JUST ABOUT THE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE REMOVAL, IF THAT'S PART OF THE NO, NO.
THERE, THERE, THERE IS, THERE IS ONE TREE THAT THAT IS, IS BEING REMOVED, BUT THEY, THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE INDICATED BY, UH, OUR, OUR NEIGHBOR.
AND JUST NOW, THERE, THERE, THERE'S ONE THAT, THAT'S NEAR.
COULD YOU NOTICE THAT THE MICS ARE YES, SIR.
THERE, THERE WILL BE ONE TREE THAT WILL BE RELOCATED NEAR WHERE THE STEPS TO THE POOL ARE.
BUT THE TREES THAT ARE NEAR THE PROPERTY LINE OF, UH, UH, 38 HADDON ARE, ARE, ARE NOT BEING, UH, UH, UH, REMOVED.
UH, MADAM MA BOWDEN, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, SUMP IN THE BASEMENT.
I PRESUME THAT THE BASEMENT IS BELOW GRADE.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND SO THAT THE FLOW OF WATER INTO THE S OF THE BASEMENT WOULD BE CONSTANT NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT RAINED OUTSIDE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA PERCOLATE THROUGH THAT SIX FEET OF DIRT OR WHATEVER BECAUSE IT RAINS 24 INCHES.
YOU'RE GONNA GET THE SAME FLOW INTO THE SUMP PUMP.
AND SO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MUCH GETS PUMPED OUT IS A CONSTANT, IT'S NOT VARIABLE, DEPENDING ON, DEPENDS ON THE GROUNDWATER'S.
A LEVEL OF THE GROUNDWATER FLUCTUATES.
'CAUSE I HAVE SOME PUMPS IN MY BASEMENT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT RAINS A LOT AND THE GROUNDWATER INCREASES AROUND THE HOUSE, DO THEY PUMP MORE WHEN IT'S DRIER? THEY PUMP LESS.
THAT'S WHY I CAME HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, NOT YOU.
ARE ARE THE, ARE THE PUMPS? NO.
MURRAY, I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK TO YOU.
ARE THE PUMPS INSIDE THE HOUSE OR OUTSIDE THE HOUSE? THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT.
THE PUMPS ARE JUST OUTSIDE THOSE SLIDING GLASS DOORS IN A LITTLE PATIO AREA.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WATER ENTERING THE BASEMENT, RIGHT? THERE MAY CORRECT.
THERE MAY BE SOME EMERGENCY, SOME PUMPS IN THE BASEMENT JUST IN CASE.
BUT, BUT IT'S LIKE A FRENCH DRAIN.
THE THE FOOTING DRAIN SYSTEM WILL GO INTO THIS EXTERIOR PUMP CHAMBER AND THEN BE PUMPED TOO.
I THINK THEY MADE US SOME CONFUSION, SO I MISUNDERSTOOD.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A GOOD CLARIFICATION.
IN WHICH CASE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
MOVED THE RECORD OPEN FOR, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND, UH, DECEMBER 19TH.
UM, SO WE HAVE A A, WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION FOR MICHAEL.
DO HAVE A SECOND FROM ANYBODY? SECOND.
UH, WE'LL KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TO THE 19TH.
WE'LL MAKE A DECISION IN OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HERE FOR THE DECISION.
SO DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO COME DOWN TO HERE UNLESS YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO ON JANUARY 4TH.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO, UH, JUST GIVE US A COUPLE MINUTES AND GO BACK IN A WORK SESSION.
SO DESPITE MICHAEL, WE'LL FINISH, HE PAYS ME TO TAKE THE BLAME.
WE'RE NOT OUTTA HERE IN, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET AN HOUR.
DON'T, DON'T JINX IT IF WE'RE NO, I SAID WE'RE NOT OUT HERE.
WALTER WILL YELL AT ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE ACTUALLY HAS SYLVIA CALL ME AND YELL AT ME.
I SAID, YOU HAVE SYLVIA CALL ME AND YELL AT ME IF YOU'RE LATE.
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THAT'S RIGHT.WE HAVE TWO NEW ITEMS, UH, IN WORK SESSION TONIGHT.
IT'S FOR A, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, IT'S A, A SUBDIVISION CONTAINING ONE ONE LOT INTO TWO LOTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THERE'LL BE A SECOND HOUSE BUILT? YES.
THAT IS EXISTING HOUSE ON ONE HALF, ON ONE LOT.
AM I OR IS THIS YOUR DOUBLE I'M BACK.
UM, SO THIS LOT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF ST.
UM, IT'S IN THE R 15 ZONING DISTRICT.
IT'S THE LOT'S, APPROXIMATELY 33,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE PROPOSAL IS TO DIVIDE IT INTO TWO LOTS.
ONE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE REMAINING AS IS WITH NO IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT LOT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER LOT WOULD HAVE A NEW HOUSE WITH ASSOCIATED DRIVEWAY, STORM ORDER SYSTEM, UM, ET CETERA.
UM, THE BOTH LOTS ARE ZONING COMPLIANT.
UM, THERE'S NO NEED, NO VARIANCES OR ANYTHING NEEDED.
ADDITIONALLY, AS I STATED, THE EXISTING HOUSE, NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THAT PROPERTY FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
IS IT ALSO NOT STEEP SLOPES? IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES ON THE EXISTING LOT, HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES IT WORK FOR YOUR DEDUCTIONS IN IT AFFECTS YOUR F A R? NO.
YES, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT AND THE, THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE COMPLIANT.
UM, FOR THE NEW LOT THERE WILL BE TWO TREES TO BE REMOVED.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND TEND TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
WOULD YOU HAVE A, WOULD YOU HAVE A PROPOSED BUILDING ENVELOPE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL? OH, THEY DO.
WHAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING ME DIDN'T HAVE IT.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE SLOPE PLAN.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEIR OFFICE ON SOME LANDSCAPING THAT DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE.
THEY'LL HAVE THAT WELL AHEAD OF, UH, ANY PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROJECT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE ARE TREES ON, ON THE PERIMETER, CORRECT.
NOT THAT WE DON'T REPLACE THE ONE'S TAKEN DOWN, BUT RIGHT.
UM, AND THERE, THERE'S TWO TREES, I BELIEVE ONE'S IN THE LOCATION OF THE STORM ORDER SYSTEM AND ONE IS, UM, IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE FULL BUILD OUT PER CODE OF THE SITE? UM, THE MAX.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME.
THIS IS KIND OF A LONG DRIVEWAY.
OH, MICHAEL, CAN YOU JUST TURN ON YOUR MIC? THANKS.
UM, IT'S KIND OF A LONG DRIVEWAY.
IF YOU FLIP THE HOUSE 90 DEGREES COUNTERCLOCKWISE, YOU COULD SHORTEN THE DRIVEWAY BY HALF AND PUT THE GARAGE ON THE, JUST, JUST THE THOUGHT IF, IF YOU FLIPPED IT 90 DEGREES.
SO YOU FLIP AT 90 DEGREES, COUNTERCLOCKWISE.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS NOW FACING THE STREET RATHER THAN WHERE'S THE STREET OUT HERE TO THE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I SEE.
SO, I MEAN, YOU GET, SO THE GARAGE DOOR IS IN FRONT OF THE, YOU'RE FACING THE GARAGE DOOR FROM THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, OR EVEN IF YOU MOVED THE GARAGE, IF YOU KEPT THE HOUSE ORIENTED THE WAY IT IS, I MOVED THE GARAGE, MADE THE GARAGE CLOSER TO THE STREET.
YOU'D SAVE A LITTLE, NOT NEARLY AS MUCH.
WELL, I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PLAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF DRIVEWAY.
IT'S NOT A BIG LOT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ADD MORE GRASS AND LAWN AND, UM, JUST THE THOUGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE A RENDERING OF THE HOUSE.
I ASSUME THAT ACTUALLY IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FACING THE STREET NOW, CORRECT? YES.
SO, SO FROM A, JUST LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION HERE.
FROM A DESIGN POINT OF VIEW, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MOVE WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
THE ORIENTATION YOU HAVE NOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO MOVE TO, TO FLIP THE GARAGE, UH, FORWARD.
THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE IT END UP IN THE LIVING ROOM.
FOR THE LAYOUT THAT IS SHOWN, YOU JUST TURNED WHOLE HOUSE AROUND AND EVERYTHING STAYS RELATIVELY EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
SO THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF A HOUSE.
I WOULD SAY IF SOMEONE COMES BACK TO BUILD, WE WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE THEM THAT FEEDBACK.
A LOT PEOPLE AND HAVE THE DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK.
IS, IS IS YOUR CLIENT, IF AND WHEN THIS IS APPROVED, IS YOUR CLIENT PLANNING TO BUILD A SPEC HOUSE ON THAT NEW LOT? THIS IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION ONLY.
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SO YOU'RE GONNA SHOVEL LOT TO A DEVELOPER.BASICALLY, THERE'LL BE APPROVED LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
THAT THE A ANYONE WHO BUILDS ON THE LOT WILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH, BUT THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, AARON.
I DON'T KNOW IF AMANDA'S STILL THERE.
UM, WE DID THIS ONE, WE ACTUALLY DID THIS ON OLD ARMY RECENTLY, WHERE WE HAD A SITUATION EXACTLY LIKE THIS WHERE WE DID THE SUBDIVISION AND THERE WASN'T A DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY.
IS THERE ANY REASON IF WE DO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS SUBDIVISION, THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK TO US TO, TO SHOW US THE HOUSE WHEN IT'S BUILT? THAT'S WHAT WE DID, I THINK IN THAT THE OLD ARMY SITUATION.
WE DID THAT WITH OLD ARMY BECAUSE THEY REALLY DIDN'T EVEN SHOW ANYTHING.
HOWEVER, UM, AMANDA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE BOARD COULD CONDITION THAT THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, IN SORT OF LIKE A WORK SESSION FORMAT JUST TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE FINAL LAYOUT IS TO, AND THAT IT DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT POTENTIALLY IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND MAYBE EVEN A RENDERING.
WOULD THAT BE COPY? YEAH, I THE REASON IS, I MEAN, SHE SAID IT, YOU SAID IT CAN BE THE REASON IS MOST, AND I THINK MICHAEL'S QUESTION IS VERY APROPOS BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME NOT ALWAYS WE'RE HEARING SOMETHING 'CAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DEVELOP THE LAND IMMEDIATELY.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING US THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CUTS AND VIEWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
EVEN, EVEN POTENTIAL, NOT EXACT RENDERING.
SO WE HAVE, WE'RE NOT CORRECT, WE'RE NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, BUT WE DO CARE ABOUT FITTING IN WITH A CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS PART SEEKER.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD ASK, IS PART OF THIS A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT THEY COME BACK TO US FOR REVIEW? I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
IN A WORK SESSION FORMAT, I WOULD STILL, IT'D STILL BE APPROVED SUBDIVISION.
WE WANT, WE WOULD RATHER THEY COME BACK TO US AT THAT POINT AND WE JUST APPROVE ONE OF THESE FOR BUILDING, WHAT, TWO MONTHS AGO IN THE SAME SITUATION? TWO MONTHS AGO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD ON THIS? YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION TOO.
UH, I THINK WALTER WAS BEFORE ME, SO SAY THAT AGAIN.
YOU, YOU INDICATE THAT THE HOUSE IS DESIGNED FOR A 50 YEAR STORM AND YOU GIVE A CHART.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU READ THE CHART.
SO FOR INSTANCE, 60 MINUTES OR ONE HOUR IS THE SAME LENGTH OF TIME, BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT VALUES FOR 60 MINUTES OF, UH, UH, OF SAY IN THE 50 YEAR STORM.
AND, UH, AND THE, UH, LOWER CONFIDENCE LIMITS.
UH, AT, AT 60 MINUTES YOU GET 2.1 INCHES OF RAIN, BUT A ONE HOUR IS 1.3.
AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE CHART, YOU GET A DIFFERENT NUMBER FOR 60 MINUTES THAN YOU DO FOR ONE HOUR.
AND I JUST DON'T, UNDER, TO ME THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME NUMBER.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THIS CHART THAT'S IN THE STORMWATER DOCUMENTATION, WALTER, OR IS IT ON THE DRAWING CHART? THE GIFTED CHART EXTREME.
THE LOWER CONFIDENCE LEVEL OF THE CONFIDENCE LEVEL.
BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SAY 25 YEARS STORM OR 50 YEAR STORM FOR 60 MINUTES, YOU GET A NUMBER.
BUT IF YOU LOOK FOR ONE HOUR, YOU GET A DIFFERENT NUMBER, 60 MINUTES OR ONE HOUR.
SO THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME NUMBER.
SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO READ THE CHART.
MAYBE I'M NOT READING IT CORRECTLY.
IT'S, IT'S THE WAY THEY PUT OUT DATA.
UM, DIFFERENT PLACES USE, UM, DIFFERENT CHARTS.
HERE IN WESTCHESTER, THE STANDARD IS THE 24 HOUR EXTREME STORM.
UM, WHICH WOULD BE THAT THE COLUMN LABELED 24 HOURS ALL THE WAY DOWN.
BUT THEY, THEY PUT DATA, THEY PUT DATA TOGETHER FOR, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S UNIVERSAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE COLUMNS IDENTIFIED AS WHAT THE, UH, I, THERE'S GOTTA BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THREE COLUMNS THAT YOU'VE GOT HERE.
DOES YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH, IT'S, UH, ONE, UH, ACTUALLY EXTREME PRECIPITATION TABLES.
BUT THE, MAYBE THE EXPLANATION MAY BE IT'S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION BUT IT'S NOT LABELED.
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FROM WHAT, 60 MINUTES? LET'S ASK HIM WHAT THE THREE COLUMNS MEAN.YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS WHAT THOSE THREE COLUMNS MEAN.
THERE ARE THREE, THERE ARE THREE COLUMNS THERE.
THERE'S FIVE TO ONE 20 MINUTES, ONE TO 48 HOURS, AND THEN ONE DAY TO 10 DAYS.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO ANALYZE RAINFALL.
THE, THE STANDARD WE USE IN, IN WESTCHESTER IS THE, UM, 24 HOUR STORM, WHICH IS REALLY JUST THAT ONE COLUMN DOWN THIS ONE.
SO WHY WOULD THAT 24 HOUR STORM BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN ONE DAY AND THE NEXT COLUMN? YEAH, THAT'S THE QUESTION WALTER IS ASKING.
WHY DON'T THE NUMBERS ONE HOUR? IT'S, IT'S THE WAY THEY PUBLISH THE DATA.
COULD YOU GO BACK AND TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE IT IS A CON IT IS CONFUSING AS TO BE GOOD FOR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE BOARD AND STAFF.
I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY NOT DOING MUCH ON DRAINAGE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING A HOUSE.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO KNOW FOR OUR OWN EDUCATION, IF NOTHING ELSE AS A GOOD PICKUP ON MR. SIMON.
SO IF YOU COULD HELP US AND EDUCATE ON WHAT THOSE CALLS ACTUALLY MEAN AND WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
AND GET BACK TO, TO MR. SCHMIDT HERE OR, OR TO MATT.
CAN, CAN YOU, WHAT PAGE NUMBER OF THE DOCUMENT ARE YOU LOOKING? JUST SHOW HER THE HARD ONE OF ONE.
IT SAYS EXTREME PRECIPITATIONS HERE.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ETTE, YOU HAD A QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK I WANTED, SO I'M BE ABLE TO FIND IT HERE.
WENDY, WHEN WE, I KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON MICHAEL'S, UH, SUGGESTION, UH, IS SOMEWHERE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY DON'T SAY, THIS IS WHAT APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A LONG DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S EXACT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY CONDITION.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I SUGGESTED CORRECT.
WILL WE DO DO THE SAME THING WE DID WITH THAT SUBDIVISION ON ALARM, WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO US AND ESSENTIALLY A SITE PLAN BEFORE, BEFORE THEY, UH, BEFORE THEY BUILT THE, THE, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLAN, RIGHT.
IS WHAT, HOW WE LABEL IT WITH SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE FINAL REVIEW OF THE BOARD.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID ON ALARMING RECENTLY, IF YOU REMEMBER.
SO WE CONDITIONED IT WHEN WE APPROVE.
SO ALL, WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'RE PROVING A VACANT LOT RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND WHAT ALL, ALL HE'S DONE IS PROVE THAT YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE OF THAT SIZE ON THE LOT THAT'S ALL ALWAYS DONE HERE WITHOUT VARIANCES.
AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION PLAN AS A CONDITION OF, WE WOULD MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
UM, I GUESS WE CAN SET THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THAT THING.
THAT'S YOUR CHRISTMAS PRESENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH RESPECT TO THE NOTICING REQUIREMENT AND THE SIGNAGE PLACEMENT.
LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PATIENT SITTING THERE ALL EVENING, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW IT WAS VERY EXCITING.
WELL THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST.
THE FACT THAT I, I TOTALLY MISSED THE, THE, UH, CELTICS.
OH, THE CELTICS HAVE LATE TONIGHT, SO I CAN WATCH IT.
YEAH, WE APPROVED THE OTHER ONE.
THE ONE THAT WAS IN JENNIFER AND THEN JENNIFERS, WE APPROVE THAT ONE.
WALGREENS, NO, I KNOW WHERE THIS IS.
I KNOW, KNOW WHERE THAT WAS, BUT WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M SURPRISED THAT THERE WERE TWO GOLF.
WELL, WE'LL GET TO THIS SO CLOSE.
WE THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ASK, WE'LL SHOW YOU ADDRESS.
YOU'RE NOT WELL, WE'LL GET TO THAT.
SO THIS IS EX GOLF AT EIGHT 70 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE TO BUILD, UH, AN ENCLOSED GOLF FACILITY WITH, UH, RESIDUAL DINING AND, AND I ASSUME EATING AND DRINKING.
AND THIS IS GOING IN WHAT IS WAS FORMERLY WALGREENS AND FORMERLY CENTRAL SQUARE CAFE AND FORMERLY ROBBIE RUBINOS AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
YOU, I'M, I'M YOUNG ENOUGH TO WALTER'S I'M SURE YOUNGER BROTHER, CENTRAL SQUARE CAFE.
SO COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE, DO US A FAVOR, GO THROUGH, THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO AND THEN THE BOARD HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
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TO.I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, IS HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS PETER GILMORE AND HIS WIFE JOAN.
AND, UH, THEY LIVE LOCALLY AND IT'S A FAMILY BUSINESS AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO OPEN AN EX GOLF, UM, WHICH IS A SIMULATION, A GOLF SIMULATION FACILITY SIMILAR, UH, IN NATURE TO THE, UH, BUT UH, NOT THE SAME AS THE APPLICATION THAT THIS BOARD, UH, RECENTLY REVIEWED AT ANOTHER PROPERTY.
UM, THERE ARE NO SITE CHANGES PROPOSED.
UH, THE WALGREENS BUILDING IS GONNA BE LEFT INTACT.
THERE WILL BE INTERIOR CHANGES TO THE FLOOR PLAN, BUT THE EXTERIOR FACADE IS GONNA REMAIN INTACT.
THE PARKING'S GONNA REMAIN INTACT.
THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL AREA, THE BIKE RACK, THE LANDSCAPING, EVERYTHING IS GONNA REMAIN INTACT.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REALLY LOOKING TO DO IS REUTILIZE THE EXISTING SITE.
IT'S A TYPE TWO UNDER CCRA, UM, FOR THAT REASON.
AND, UM, THE APPLICATION REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A, UH, FULLY ENCLOSED RECREATE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
OH, OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET? YEAH, CORRECT.
I HAD, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LAYOUT.
UM, IT APPEARED THAT THERE WAS NO CENTRAL CHECK-IN DESK ONCE YOU COME IN THE DOORS.
UH, SO HOW DOES IT WORK WHEN YOU SHOW UP? DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? SURE.
UM, THERE ON THE DRAWING, THERE IS NO CENTRAL CHECKING DESK.
UH, THERE IS A, AN AREA AT THE BAR, DEPENDING ON THE HOUR OF THE DAY, HOW BUSY WE ARE.
WE WILL SET UP SOMETHING, UH, UP FRONT OR AT THE BAR YOU WOULD CHECK IN.
UH, BUT RESERVATIONS ARE MADE BEFOREHAND.
SO THE CHECK-IN PROCESS IS VERY SIMPLE.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING INTO, OR I SHOULD SAY THE FRANCHISE IS LOOKING INTO, UH, A KIOSK AREA WHERE YOU WOULD COME IN, DO IT YOURSELF, ENTER YOUR STUFF AND ENTER YOUR INFORMATION IN THE KIOSK AND YOUR SORT OF OFF AND RUNNING.
IS THERE GONNA BE A MEMBERSHIP TO THIS OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS GOING TO BE PROPOSED? UH, HOURS HAVE NOT OFFICIALLY BEEN SET.
UM, BUT TENTATIVELY WE'RE LOOKING AT 8:00 AM TILL, UH, PROBABLY 10:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH OR THURSDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY ON THE WEEKENDS.
MIDNIGHT SOMETHING TILL MIDNIGHT PROBABLY.
IS IT GONNA BE ALCOHOL SERVED? THERE WILL BE, YES.
JUST BEER AND WINE OR, OR HARD LIQUOR FOOD.
AND WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE STATUS OF GETTING A LIQUOR LICENSE? UH, INITIALLY WHEN I STARTED THESE NEGOTIATIONS WE PUT IN FOR THE 30 DAY NOTICE, NEGOTIATIONS TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT.
SO WE JUST RECENTLY, UH, RESUBMITTED THE 30 DAY NOTICE.
UM, I, I'VE DONE, AND MY, ANOTHER ATTORNEY, NOT MR. PETSKY, IS HANDLING THE LIQUOR LICENSE FOR ME.
UM, BUT WE'VE DONE ALL THE LEGWORK FOR THAT, UM, TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, BUT WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED YET.
HERE'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT MICHAEL, MICHAEL SPILL THE BEANS EARLY.
WE DID JUST APPROVE A FACILITY ABOUT DOUBLE THE SIZE.
THAT'S LESS THAN A MILE FROM THIS FACILITY.
UM, I ASSUME WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, YOU KNEW THAT THAT WAS COMING IN AND HAVE SOME REASON TO BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH DEMAND FOR BOTH OF THEM.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? I, I CAN CERTAINLY.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND A GREAT POINT.
UM, ACTUALLY I DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE THERE WHEN I STARTED.
UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, 6 91 WAS A PROPERTY THAT I LOOKED AT FOR OUR ENDEAVOR FOR XLF.
UM, IT WAS A LITTLE BIGGER THAN I WANTED TO TAKE, TAKE ON.
UM, AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SPLITTING THAT PROPERTY, UH, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT.
UM, SO I MOVED ON, UH, I FOUND THIS SPACE AT EIGHT 70.
WE, WE BEGAN THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS, UH, DEALING WITH CORPORATE ATTORNEYS OVER AT WALGREENS.
EXTENDED OUT A LITTLE FARTHER THAN I THOUGHT.
UM, IT WAS ONLY THEN THAT I BECAME AWARE OF 6 91, PUTTING THIS OTHER COMPETITOR IN.
UM, SO I DID OF COURSE GO BACK.
I RED REDOUBLED MY RESEARCH ON THE AREA, ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS, AND I HAVE NO, NO QUALMS ABOUT BOTH OF US BEING ABLE TO SUCCEED.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES YEAH.
THAT ARE THERE FOR THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT'S WHAT WE, WE, WE WANT YOU TO SUCCEED.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD, BY THE WAY THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
SCARSDALE HAS ONE, EDGEMONT HAS ONE, ARTS LEAGUE HAS ONE, AND THEY HAD NO PLACE TO PLAY INDOORS.
SO THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, LITTLE BIT OF A WALKING DISTANCE OF THE SCHOOL, OF THE EDGEMONT SCHOOLS.
THEY'RE COULD, COULD WE TALK ABOUT NOISE? UM, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DID THEY ACTUALLY HIT GOLF BALLS? YES.
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FROM OUTSIDE THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBORS YES.BEHIND YOU, HOW MUCH NOISE, IF ANY, WILL THERE BE ZERO.
YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HEAR THE NOISE FROM HITTING, UH, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED MUSIC TYPE VENUE.
UM, SO YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? RELATED TO THE GOLF, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? OH, I'VE BEEN IN THE FACILITIES BEFORE AND, AND OTHER ONES OPERATING FACILITIES.
HOW MANY, UH, THIS IS A FRANCHISE, RIGHT? IT'S CORRECT.
SO HOW MANY ARE OPERATING NOW? THERE ARE 70 OPERATING UHHUH
IT'S REALLY, REALLY EXPANDING.
IS IS THERE ANY LOCALLY THAT WE COULD SEE? UH, THERE ARE NONE LOCAL AROUND HERE.
THERE'S, ONCE BOSTON, OUTSIDE OF PHILADELPHIA, I VOLUNTEERED TO GO ROAD TRIP
ARE YOU ANTICIPATING HAVING TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UH, BUILDING OR INSULATION TO, YOU KNOW, FOR NOISE ATTENUATION? OR IS IT JUST NOT A VERY LOUD NO.
OPERATION THAT YEAH, NOW WE, THE SCREENS THAT YOU HIT INTO, YOU HIT INTO A VIDEO SCREEN.
UM, EX GOLF ACTUALLY JUST CAME OUT WITH NEW SCREENS THAT ARE SORT OF, UH, MORE NOISE BAFFLING.
UH, SO IT SUPPRESSES THE NOISE A LITTLE BIT.
WE, WE WON'T BE MAKING ANY, UH, CHANGES TO THE BUILDING INSIDE.
UM, AND THERE ARE NO RESIDENCES SURROUNDING THIS.
WELL, THAT WAS THE OTHER POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE.
IT'S A CHURCH BEHIND YOU, ISN'T IT? IT'S ACTUALLY, I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY EDGEMONT SCHOOL PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND THERE.
AND THEY AND THEY'RE IT'S WOODS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THOSE WOODS ARE, THEY'RE PLANNING TO TEAR THOSE WOODS DOWN AND PUT A PARKING LOT FOR THE, UH, TEACHERS FOR CEILING.
NOW HOW ABOUT, I MEAN, LOOK, I APPRECIATE THE BALL GOING INTO THE SCREEN, BUT HOW ABOUT WHACKING THE BALL THAT CAN'T BE HEARD FROM OUTSIDE THE BUILDING? NO.
I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT WHILE YOU'RE INSIDE.
WELL, INSIDE I KNOW IT CAN, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PRETTY LOUD, BUT OUTSIDE AND PARTICULARLY, HERE'S THE OTHER QUESTION.
WE HAVE THE SAME, ALMOST THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS AS THE OTHER GUYS, SO WE'RE NOT PICKING ON YOU.
AND I SUSPECT THEY'RE WATCHING THAT TOO.
UM, BUT WHEN ONE APPLICATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER, WE, WE LOOK AT THE IMPACT IN THIS AREA.
I DO HAVE A, OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE, WAS IT QUARTETS GENERALLY IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN A BAY? LIKE FOUR PEOPLE UP, UP TO FOURSOME, RIGHT? UP TO FOUR OR SIX.
THE, THE ONLY THING CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT NO'S NOT INSIDE THE BUILDING, IT'S OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
AND IN THAT CASE WE HAD RESIDENCES BEHIND IT.
UH, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FROM A SECURITY POINT OF VIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? SO WHY DON'T YOU STATE WHAT IT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE WATCHED THE LAST NIGHT, PEOPLE CONGREGATING IN THE PARKING LOT, WELL, CONGREGATING OR MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH TO DRINK AND, AND PARTYING AND, YOU KNOW, OUT AND STANDING OUTSIDE TALKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE PLAN TO HAVE A FULL SECURITY SYSTEM BOTH INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE CREATING A PROBLEM OUT THERE, WE WE'LL SHOO THEM ALONG OR DO THE BEST WE CAN.
UM, BUT IF THE ANSWER IS WE WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE DON'T PLAN ON HAVING 24 HOUR SECURITY OR, OR SECURITY WHILE IT'S OPEN FOR THE PARKING LOT.
UM, IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, WE'LL WE'LL CERTAINLY DEAL WITH IT.
WELL THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS A, AS A CONDITION OF A SPECIAL PERMIT SURE.
IS PUT IN, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND WE WORK OUT THAT DEAL.
BUT WE DID THAT WITH A CABARET WITH, UH, BETTY CABARET YEARS AGO.
AND, AND WITH THE FORMER APPLICATION, THE BOARD ASKED AND THE APPLICANT WAS AGREEABLE AND IT WAS CONDITIONED THAT THERE BE, UH, SECURITY CAMERA, THE SECURITY CAMERA, AND THEN ONE WAY, LIKE, NOT INTERCOM, BUT LIKE A SPEAKER.
YOU KNOW, IF THE PERSON MANNING THE BAR OR WHATEVER, STAFF PERSON CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MOVE ALONG.
THEY COULD PLAY BARRY MAD, THAT'LL COOK A F*****G GOOD.
OR YOU COULD SEE, UM, WHAT ABOUT LIGHTING? YOU CHANGING LIGHTING AT ALL, ALL IN THE PARKING LOT? UH, NO.
WE, WE, THE LIGHTING WAS UP TO CODE.
AGAIN, IF WE, IF WE FIND THAT IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF THERE THE NO LEFT TURNS OUT.
LEFT TURNS IN ON OUR, ON OUR ARLEY ROAD.
SO, AND SO THE ONLY PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE IS TRYING TO GO, TRYING TO GO WHAT? SOUTH, I GUESS IS THE HARDEST PART.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT THAT INTERSECTION, WELL, NIGHT, IT'S NOT SO BAD, BUT RUSH HOUR, THAT INTER OR SATURDAY YEAH.
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NOT A GREAT INTERSECTION.IF GO, I GUESS EASTBOUND ON LEY ROAD.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO, WE HAVE TO GO AROUND.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T GO LEFT OUT ONTO LEY ROAD.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE, YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT ON A CENTRAL AVENUE OR THE OTHER WAY TO A LEFT ON A CENTRAL AVENUE, GO SOUTH AND THEN UP, UP THROUGH THE TWA.
YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY I GUESS.
NO, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE DRIVE THROUGH? THE DRIVE THROUGH'S NOT GONNA BE PACKED.
IT SHOULD HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.
OH, I CAN TELL YOU I GET POINTS FOR THAT ONE.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, THERE WAS A DRIVE THROUGH.
I, I DID TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD UTILIZE IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE TRASH WILL BE PICKED UP TO.
AND TR DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, LIKE DELIVERIES OF FOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YEAH, THERE'LL BE OCCASIONAL DELIVERIES OF FOOD.
WHAT DO YOU, IN TERMS OF THE RESTAURANT MM-HMM.
THIS IS ALL CONVECTION OVEN TYPE, APPETIZER TYPE FAST FOOD.
UM, NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO GRILLING, NO FRESH PREPARING, NO DEEP FRYING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
CHEF, DO YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE FOR YEAH, LET'S PUT IT ON.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. SIMON OR MR. DESAI? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I THINK ON A PLAN, YOU SHOW A BIKERACK AND THERE IS SOME SORT OF, UH, CIRCLING ON IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT, YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE IT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE HE BIKERACK.
THERE MUST BE AN EXISTING THAT'S EXISTING.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, STAFF IDENTIFIED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MARKUP OF A PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED FOR WALGREENS AND WE'D LIKE IT TO BE FURTHERED ALONG.
YOU KNOW, TO BE CATERED TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS YOU ADVANCE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING STAGE.
SO THERE, FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN THESE BUBBLES AROUND THINGS, YOU KNOW, WERE PART OF THE WALGREENS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE BIKE RACK EXISTS? AND DO YOU INTEND TO REMOVE IT? THE BIKE RACK DOES EXIST AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HADN'T THOUGHT OF REMOVING IT.
WHY WOULD YOU? THAT'S WE DON'T HAVE NEED FOR IT, OBVIOUSLY.
WELL, IF YOU HAD SCHOOL, IF YOU HAVE SCHOOL KIDS, NOT NECESSARILY, WE WOULD PREFER YOU TO KEEP IT.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BIKE.
I MEAN, IF THE KIDS THAT COME FROM THE, FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL OR SOMETHING, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE.
I THINK AND, AND IT DOES EXIST.
IT IS IN THIS LOCATION I RECALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CORT, WHILE YOU YEAH, I, I THINK THE, I HAVE A ANOTHER QUESTION MAYBE FOR AARON.
UH, WHAT IS OUR, UH, SORT OF, UH, CONSULTANTS FOR, UH, ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT? DO THEY GONE THROUGH THIS ONE OR WE DON'T HAVE A CONSULTANT FOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT ANYMORE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE OTHER, I I THINK THE POINT IS YES, THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS ON CENTRAL AVENUE THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE FILLED.
HOPEFULLY WHAT MIDWAY'S DOING IS GONNA HELP FULFILL ONE OF THOSE NEEDS, WHICH IS FOR MORE FAMILY ORIENTED DINING.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILL A VACANT BUILDING WITH SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY CONFIDENT AND IS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A POSITIVE FOR THE TOWN AND FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO PARTICULARLY IN THIS LOCATION WHERE IT HAS ZERO IMPACT ON ANY RESIDENT.
ON ANY RESIDENT, AND YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE BUILDING IN ANY WAY.
I ANYTHING ELSE? CORRECT? YEAH.
I THINK ALSO THE HEAD MOAI IS NOT HERE.
I'M GONNA PICK UP ON HANDICAP PARKING AT THIS CODE.
YOU NEED TO FILL, YOU REALLY NEED TO FILL OUT THE PLAN BEFORE THE, A FULL PLAN WORK WITH AARON AND MATT WITH A FULL PLAN.
BECAUSE THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE ASKED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WHERE THEY HANDICAPPED AND ALL THAT STUFF IS.
WHERE IS THE BUS? WHERE IS THE BUS STOP? THE NEAREST BUS STOP? YEAH, ON THAT SIDE.
I KNOW IT'S IN FRONT OF, UH, IT'S ACROSS GOING SOUTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS ON THAT SIDE.
THERE'S ONE NEXT TO THE SHELL STATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, THAT ONE CLOSER TO THAT.
I THINK THERE IS A TWO RIGHT NOW.
THE HAND, THE HANDICAP SPACES, THERE ARE TWO CORRECT.
IS THAT WHAT'S NEEDED BY CODE? I THINK DIFFERENT.
I THINK WITH THE DIFFERENT OCCUPANCY YOU MAY NEED MORE.
BUT THE OCCUPANCY HAS TO GO UP, RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S
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GOT, IT'S YEAH.THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEETING THE CODE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
JUST, JUST DOUBLE CHECK THE NUMBER OF HANDICAP SPACES.
NO, I, NO, I'M SAYING HOW MANY NEED, NEED DO NEEDED UNDER A HUNDRED? I THINK IT'S TWO.
WELL, THE REASON CHRIS'S ASKING IS CHANGE OF USE.
JUST DOUBLE CHECK SO WE CAN, WALTER, LET'S GET THIS.
WALTER, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, I, I THINK WHAT WE NEED HERE IS A CLEAR, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE WALL GREEN LAYOUT.
AND SOME THINGS WILL BE THE SAME.
SOME THINGS WILL NOT BE THE SAME.
WE JUST NEED A CLEAN PRESENTATION OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, AND UH, WITHOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WORKING FROM THE WALGREENS PLAN A PLAN.
'CAUSE LOOKING AT IT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S STAYING WHAT SIZE STAY 16TH.
WE NEED A PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.
CAN YOU GET US A REVISED AND UPDATED PLAN BY THE 16TH? IS THAT POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GET IT IN PEOPLE'S PACKETS? SURE.
THAT WILL BE VERY APPRECIATED.
IDEALLY BY THE 16TH, NO LATER THAN THE 19TH.
IF, IF THEY COULD DO IT, WE'LL SUBMIT IT AS SOON AS WE CAN AND WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
'CAUSE WE, WE LIKE TO HAVE THE STUFF IN ADVANCE.
'CAUSE THE PACKETS MAY ORDER EARLY 'CAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON FOR THE COURT.
AND STAFF IS MORE THAN WILLING TO COORDINATE WITH THE ARCHITECT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ITEMS WE NEED TO SEE AND THEN THE BOARD NEEDS TO SEE GOING INTO THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS FOR EXTERIOR OR INTERIOR OR BOTH? OR? I THINK THE INTERIOR OR PLAN IS, IS INTERIOR PLAN WAS FINE.
THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A RETROSPECTIVE, THE EXTERIOR JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW EVERYTHING.
AND IT'S FOR THIS PROJECT, NOT FOR, I THINK THE INTERIOR IS FINE.
IT'S JUST THAT THE EXTERIOR, IS IT THE C ONE DASH COUP IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED.
THAT SHOULDN'T MAKE IT BE TOO DIFFICULT.
SINCE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING MUCH.
PLEASE TRY TO GET US THAT REVISED PLAN BY THE SIXTH, DARREN AND MATT ON THAT, IF YOU COULD.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TONIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING AND HOLIDAY STICKING HOLIDAY.