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GREAT.NEXT, UH, WE WANTED TO GET, UM, UM, AN UPDATE ON, UM, THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY, UM, UM, UH, HOT WATER, UH, ISSUES.
FRANK, WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER? I GUESS WE CAN BRING IN THE BY UP.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? LET THEM SIT DOWN.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FIRST, GIVE US A REPORT AND THEN I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
BISHOP AND RAJU, AND GEORGE, THIS IS GEORGE L.
RICH, CAN YOU GET A, A SEAT OVER THERE? SO, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AND MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US A, GIVE THAT ONE, UM, INDEPENDENT, UM, REPORT ON, UM, THE HOT WATER, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD JUST REALLY PREFACE BY JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS INDEPENDENT OF THE, UH, TOWN GOVERNMENT.
UM,
UH, LET FIRST SAY THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO SHARE WITH YOU OF THE, UH, PROCESS AND THE STEPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO, UM, TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD WITH HOT WATER, UM, UH, DOMESTIC HOT WATER FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, ROGER, UH, MR. ABRAHAM, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WILL GO OVER THE SCHEDULE OF, UH, THINGS THAT WE, UH, IMPLEMENTED AND PUT IN PLACE SO THAT YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF THOSE, UH, THOSE PROCEDURES.
UM, AND MR. LUXE WILL GIVE YOU A, UM, A RUNDOWN ON THE MAINTENANCE PROCESS AND THE SCHEDULING OF MAINTENANCE THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THESE KIND OF PROBLEMS, UH, WHEN THEY HAPPEN, THAT WE HAVE A RECORD OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND HOPEFULLY TO PREVENT IF WE DO AS MUCH PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND SO, UH, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, UH, TOWN BOARD AND FOR THE SUPPORT FROM, UH, DIFF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE TOWN, UH, EMPLOYEES TO HELP US TO GET THE, UH, PROBLEM RESOLVED.
WE DO HAVE A, UH, TEMPORARY, UH, SYSTEM IN PLACE NOW THAT, THAT, UH, WAS RECTIFIED TO THE OLD SYSTEM.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, PUTTING IN SOME NEW EQUIPMENT ON AND SOME REPIPING AND RE UH, UH, REROUTING SOME OF THE, UM, UH, WAY THAT WATER IS RUN THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND, AND PUTTING IN A BACKUP SYSTEM SO THAT IF THIS PROBLEM HAPPENED AGAIN, WE HAVE A BACKUP SYSTEM IN PLACE.
MS. ABRAHAM WILL GO THROUGH THAT WITH YOU.
SO, UH, TO EXPEDITE TIME, I LET MS. ABRAHAM, UH, UH, GO THROUGH THE SCHEDULE OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN AFTER, AFTER THE, UH, SITUATION AROSE, AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, GOOD EVENING TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND MR. FINER.
UH, I HAD SHARED, UM, THIS REPORT, UM, A COUPLE OF DAYS BACK, SO ALL THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE HAVING IT.
SO I'VE JUST UPDATED THAT TO ADD TWO MORE DAYS AFTER THE 27TH, UH, TO BRING ALL THE MEMBERS UP TO SPEED ON WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED THERE.
SO, I GO TO 27TH OF, UH, DECEMBER.
WE MET WITH THE ENGINEERS, THE CONTRACTORS, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO PUT ENTRY MEASURES IN PLACE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
I JUST ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR H P A C CONTRACTOR WAS THERE WITH TWO PLUMBERS AND ALONG WITH OUR ASSOCIATES AND PROJECT MANAGER TO HELP US FIX IT.
SO ON DECEMBER 28TH, WE CHANGED A MIXING VALVE IN THE SYSTEM, AND HOT WATER WAS RESTORED TO ALL THE UNITS AT 4:00 PM UH, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR HELPING ME AND WALKING AROUND WITH ME TO CHECK, UM, THE, THE CODES AND THE READINGS ON THAT.
ON DECEMBER 30TH, WE INSTALLED TWO NEW TEMPERATURE GAUGES WERE INSTALLED THERE.
HOT WATER WAS RESTORED BACK TO THE SITE AFTER A BRIEF INTERRUPT INTERRUPTION AGAIN, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
UH, WE ALL CHECKED, UH, WE CHECKED THE OAK STREET SITE.
WE CHECKED ON, UH, THE MAPLE STREET SITE, THE MOST, UH, FARTHEST OF THE UNITS TO SEE.
WE HAD ADEQUATE PRESSURE AND AS
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WELL AS HOT WATER THERE.BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN OFFICIALS, AND AS RECOMMENDED BY THE ENGINEERING FIRM, G H A WILL INSTALL A FILTRATION SYSTEM TO PREVENT CLOGGING OF THE VALVES AND PIPES.
G H A DOES AN ANNUAL PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE OF THE BOILERS AS SPECIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER.
THE LAST SERVICE OF THE BOILERS WAS DONE ON NOVEMBER 10TH, 2022.
ON A RELATED NOTE, ALSO, I WANT TO ADD IN AN EFFORT TO ALLEVIATE RESIDENT CONCERN ABOUT WATER QUALITY.
IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, G H A REQUESTED A WATER SAMPLE ANALYSIS BE PERFORMED BY THE TOWN.
THE READINGS FROM THE ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT THE WATER QUALITY AT THE STATE SITE WAS WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE LIMITS FOR PORTABLE WATER.
I'D ALSO WANT TO TOUCH BASE NOW ON WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE SCOPE OF WORK ON A, ON A, ON A BIG PICTURE BASIS.
SCOPE OF WORK IS ACTUALLY TO REPLACE ALL THE VALVES TO REPLACE THE HOT WATER TANK, ADD, REPLACE PIPING, INSTALL A NEW FILTRATION SYSTEM, INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL STORAGE TANK TO ADD CAPACITY, INSTALL NEW RETURN PUMPS A RE-PIPE THE STACK, AND ADD A NEW CENTRALIZED CONTROL PANEL.
WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING WITH, UH, THE CONTRACTOR TODAY.
OUR EXPECTED TIMEFRAME AS THE MATERIALS WILL BE ORDERED IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, AND BY THE END OF FEBRUARY, WE SHOULD BE COMPLETING THE WORK.
UH, GEORGE LUX, UH, WHO IS OUR MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR, HE'S BEEN WITH US FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
UH, HE WORKS, UH, I WOULD SAY HE'S MY EXPERT ON THE HOT WATER, UM, BOILER SYSTEM.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, DEFINITELY WE ARE, YOU HAVE THREE TO FOUR WEEKS.
YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE, THIS WILL BE TAKE ABOUT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS.
THAT BECAUSE JUST TYPICAL SUPPLY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.
IT'LL TAKE THREE WEEKS TO GET IT AND THREE WEEKS FOR HIM TO INSTALL IT.
SO, AS MR. ABRAHAM MENTIONED, WE'RE PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL STORAGE.
THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FILTER THAT ON OUR OWN.
ALL THE VALVES ARE GETTING REPLACED.
WE'RE REPLACING A WATER HEATER.
WE'RE PUTTING IN TWO RETURN PUMPS WITH A, UH, UH, LARGER HORSEPOWER.
SO, THE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU, THE, THE SYSTEM IS WORKING NOW WITH THE TEMPORARY SETUP SO THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE WITHOUT HOT WATER FOR THE FOUR WEEKS UNTIL THE CORRECT WORK, OR THE, THE SIX WEEKS UNTIL THE WORK IS DONE, CORRECT? IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PARTIAL TEMPORARY SYSTEM.
ONCE WE COMPLETED, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PIPE, SCALING IS A BIG ISSUE.
THAT'S THE TURBIDITY THAT'S IN THE WATER AND THE IRON.
WE WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT OURSELF SO WE DON'T FALL INTO THIS POSITION AGAIN, AND WE'RE GONNA TREAT THE WATER BEFORE IT'S HEATED.
POTABLE WATER IS SAFE AS YOUR, YOUR OWN WATER SAMPLE LAST YEAR SHOWED IT MEETS BORDER HEALTH STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU HEAT THAT WATER UP, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.
WHEN YOU, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS, UM, I THINK FRANK BROUGHT IT UP, WAS MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND COULD YOU MAYBE DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PRACTICES THAT YOU'VE USED IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EQUIPMENT I, I HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, I ONLY PRINTED TWO OF THESE UP, BUT THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL WATER HEATER.
I WENT OVER THIS WITH FRANK AND RICH SATURDAY.
THIS IS A CONDENSING MODULATING WATER HEATER.
IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL WATER HEATER WHERE YOU RUN ARU THE COILS TO CLEAN IT OUT.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU, EASIER VIEWING.
VERY, VERY EASY, VERY MINIMAL TO MAINTAIN.
WE SPEND $4,500 A YEAR ON A SERVICE CONTRACT WITH UNITED H B A C, LARGE FIRM.
PRIOR TO THAT, WE USED TO USE ONE OF THE FIRMS THAT THE TOWN USES UNITY.
UM, THEY COME IN AND THEY SERVICE THE ALL THREE BOILERS, ALL THREE HOT WATER HEATERS, ACCORDING TO YOUR MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK, I, I HIGHLIGHTED HOW SIMPLE IT IS TO, UH, TO FLUSH THAT SYSTEM AND SERVICE IT.
SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT THEY SERVICED IT? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY SERVICED IT ON NOVEMBER 10TH.
DOES THAT MEAN THEY FLUSHED THEM OUT? YES.
I, I FLUSH IT REGULARLY MYSELF.
IT'S AS SIMPLE AS PUTTING A HOSE.
THEY ON THE BOTTOM OF THE TANK HOLDING IT UP ABOUT, WE'RE LETTING IT RUN FOR A MINUTE, CLOSING IT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THIS IN THE WATER HEATER.
IT COAGULATES IN THE PIPES AND THE VALVES.
AND HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO THAT? HOW OFTEN
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DO YOU DO THE MAINTENANCE? IS THAT BI-ANNUALLY? OH, ONCE, ONCE A YEAR.THE BOILERS SOMETIMES TWICE A YEAR.
AND IS THAT WHAT'S RECOMMENDED AND THE, IS THAT WHAT'S RECOMMENDED ON THE SYSTEM? IT IS.
OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN FLUSHING IT OUT, WHICH, WHICH I DO, I I WOULDN'T SAY EVERY MONTH, BUT SOMETIMES EVERY COUPLE WEEKS.
BUT WE NEVER GET NONE OUTTA THE WATER HEATERS.
SO THIS, SO YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE YOU FLUSHED THIS OFTEN, THIS SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.
WHEN FRANK AND RICH CAME LAST SATURDAY, CHRISTMAS EVE MM-HMM.
ORIGINALLY THEY WERE BALL VALVES.
TWO YEARS AGO WE PUT IN BALL BALL VALVES.
I HAD TO USE A PIPE WRENCH ON THEM THE OTHER DAY TO OPEN THEM UP.
IT'S THE QUALITY OF THE WARRANT THAT'S CAUSING THIS.
WHY DON'T WE EXPERIENCE THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS BUILDING, WE HAVE HOT WATER.
WHY IS IT THAT IT'S ONLY IN YOUR BUILDING THAT THIS OCCURS? IT'S NOT JUST IN OUR BUILDING.
WE EXPERIENCED THIS IN MANHATTAN AVENUE, AND I KNOW A COUPLE HOMEOWNERS IN THE FAIRVIEW SECTION OF TOWN THAT I KNOW PLUMMETED.
I RECOMMEND, AND I'VE BECOME A LOT OF FRIENDS WITH SOME OF THE, THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA.
DID WE HAVE SOMETHING? ARE YOU MAINTAINING THAT? THIS HAS BEEN FLUSHED ROUTINELY, BUT THIS HAPPENS ANYWAY.
THIS YOU CAN'T FLUSH TO HOT WATER.
HEAT DO YOU FLUSH? BUT YOU CAN'T FLUSH PIPES OUT.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN, WHEN THIS PIPE WAS CUT OPEN, WE HAVE VIDEO OF RUNNING WATER AND FLUSHING IT OUT AND BASICALLY MUCK CAME OUT.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A DRAIN ON THE BOMB OF THAT SYSTEM LIKE THIS, THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY FOSS THAT SIDE TOO.
BUT I'M SAYING BEFORE, WHEN IT WAS INSTALLED, WHEN WE PUT IN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME OF THOSE HORIZONTAL PIPES.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM FROM THE HOT WATER HEATER OUT ALL THE WAY TO THE MIXING VALVE.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS IN ALL THE VALVES.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS IN ALL THE HORIZONTAL PIPES.
THE ONLY REASON WHY IT SETTLED IN THAT ONE PIPE WAS THAT WAS THE LOWEST PIPE IN THE SYSTEM.
WHICH HAS A DRAIN NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY CAN MANUALLY BOTH TO, THEY CAN GO AND FLUSH TO THIS POINT.
WE HAVE, THEY FLUSH, IT'LL FLUSH THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
EVEN PUSH THE SYSTEM RIGHT OUT.
THE WATER WILL, WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE ARE TREATING THE WATER.
OKAY, THERE'S TURBIDITY IN THE WATER AND IT HAS A HIGH, HIGH END CON CONTACT.
SO WE WE'RE ON OUR END, WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT.
SO, AND, AND YOU GOT, YOU GOTTA CONSIDER THE FACT ALSO TO THE QUESTION THAT MR. UH, SHEEN ASKED.
YOU GOTTA CONSIDER THE FACT TOO, IF THERE IS ANY VIDIA IN THE WATER, THAT WE ARE USING A LOT MORE WATER THAN TOWN HALL USES.
THAT MEAN A LOT MORE COMES IN.
WE SUPPLYING THIRTY A HUNDRED THIRTY ONE HOUSEHOLDS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE OF THIS.
AND, AND WHEN IT'S HEATED OAK ON THE SAME MEAN, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON DECEMBER 24TH, WHICH WAS BASICALLY THE SAME TIME, UH, FRANK AND I, WE, WE GOT A COMPLAINT.
THE APEX BUILDING IN ELMSFORD, RIGHT NEAR THE GREENBURG LIBRARY.
THAT'S A BRAND NEW FIVE YEAR OLD BUILDING.
THEY HAD HOT WATER PROBLEMS. UH, ALSO WE HAD, I THINK ANOTHER PROBLEM ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT'S HAD THESE, YOU KNOW, WATER PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, YOU GET THEM PERIODICALLY ALL OVER, ALL OVER THE, THIS IS TYPICAL OF HARD WATER, BUT THE SAMPLE CAME BACK LAST YEAR.
YOU DON'T HAVE HARD WATER HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A, SO, SO SOMETHING IS, SOMETHING IS CREATING THAT.
IT'S, IT'S TURBIDITY AND IRON, IN MY OPINION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR THOSE OF US WHO MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT TURBIDITY, THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER THAT FILTER WATER GREENBURG DOESN'T, UM, PEEKSKILL IN YORKTOWN, I BELIEVE.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE PLANT OPERATOR IN YORKTOWN.
SO I DID A LITTLE WHAT THE WATER YOU HAVE PASSES THE BOARD OF HEALTH.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT AS THE SAMPLE BOOT LAST YEAR.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM BEING HERE 20 YEARS AND SEEING SOME OF OUR SITES, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TOILET BOWL, RIGHT? WE REPLACE FILL VALVES ALL THE TIME.
THERE'S A LITTLE RUBBER GASKET IN THERE.
THERE'RE ALL KINDS OF SILK KIT STUCK IN.
YEAH, I I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A DEFINITION OF TURBIDITY.
SO THAT FINE PARTICLES, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A WATER OBVIOUSLY DEPARTMENT THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO ALL DAY.
AND THEY WERE CALLED THAT AT SOME POINT AND THEY DID TEST THE WATER.
I WANT TO STATE THAT GREENBERG'S WATER IS SAFE.
IS IT ON SAFE AND HEALTHY TO DRINK? RIGHT?
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RIGHT.THIS BOILER HERE IS 30 YEARS OLD.
WE HAVE A TEAM THAT REGULARLY MAINTAINS IT.
DOES IT NEED WORK? ABSOLUTELY.
DO WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE TO KEEP THAT GOING? ABSOLUTELY.
WE USED TO HAVE A GENTLEMAN HERE, AL CARVER TUBBY, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT MECHANIC.
AND HE MAINTAINED, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ALL KNOW TUBBY, ALL THESE SYSTEMS. THERE'S A PROCESS, BUT IT'S A FULLTIME JOB, RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE PIECES HERE, THIS IS THE CLEAN WATER FILTER.
IT'S NOT, YOU COULD SEE THE, THE, THE COLD WATER IS FINE.
NOW, THEIR SYSTEM I, I SAW ON CHANNEL 12 NEWS, THAT'S AN OLD SYSTEM.
IT'S FROM 2014, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
IF I BUY A CAR FROM 2014, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO THAT CAR TO KEEP IT GOING.
SO IF I BUY A CAR THAT'S, I, I SAID IT BEFORE I, BUT OH, SIX HONDA THING'S AWESOME.
THERE'S REGULAR MAINTENANCE YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
NOW WE FAMILIARIZED OURSELF WITH THAT SYSTEM ON THAT SUN THAT MORNING.
BUT AGAIN, WITHOUT GOING IN THERE AND SEEING WHAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE SUGGESTED, OR SOME OF THE TWEAKS THAT I THINK FRANK SUGGESTED THAT GOT THIS BACK RUNNING.
'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
YOU JUST FLUSHED WHAT WAS THERE.
SO, IN RESPECT TO BACK TO OUR WATER, AGAIN, WE HAVE A WATER QUALITY REPORT.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH GREENBERG WATER.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE SYSTEM? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THROUGHOUT TOWN PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME WATER.
EVERYBODY HERE HAS THE SAME WATER IN TERMS OF THE PIPES USE THE VOLUME.
I DON'T KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE PIPES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF PIPES.
YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK, IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS OVER AGAIN, ARE, IS THIS THE BEST TYPE OF PIPE FOR COPPER? YEAH.
THE, I I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WATER HERE.
THIS IS THE THIRD TYPE THAT I'VE BEEN IN THERE THAT, THAT HAS ODED UP.
THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AND IT STATES RIGHT THERE THAT IT HAS, UH, UNEQUAL CORROSION PROTECTION.
AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS, THIS IS HOT WATER UP HERE.
ALL THE SEDIMENTS PARTED DOWN TO THIS CONDENSATE COLLECTION AREA.
YOU OPEN UP A VALVE THAT FLUSHES OUT THE ORIGINAL WATER HEATERS THAT WE HAD WERE YOUR, YOUR STANDARD WATER HEATERS THAT I WOULD RUN ACID THROUGH SALT.
THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER HEATERS.
THE ISSUE IS NOT WITH OUR WATER HEATER.
AND I, AND I MAINTAIN IT, THE SYSTEM IS MAINTAINED ACCORDING TO THE MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS.
HOW OLD WAS THE PRIOR WHEN IN 2014, WHEN YOU REPLACED THE UNITS? HOW OLD WAS THE SYSTEM? WE, WE HAD, UH, HEAT EXCHANGERS THAT LASTED ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
THEY'RE VERY FINE PASSAGES WHERE YOUR BOILER WATER COMES IN, CIRCULATES AROUND THE PLATES, COMES BACK OUT AND RETURNS.
AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER PORT THAT COMES IN FOR THE COLD WATER COMES OUT HOT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF FRANK'S FAMILIAR WITH THE HEAT EXCHANGER, BUT THEY'RE VERY NARROW THINGS LIKE A RADIATOR CLOGGED UP WITHIN THREE YEARS.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, PRIOR TO THAT, WE HAD REGULAR STANDARD WATER HEATERS.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW OLD THEY WERE.
THEY WERE THERE WHEN I GOT HIRED.
SO MAYBE THEY WERE INSTALLED WHEN THE PLACE WAS BUILT.
HOW OLD? BACK WHEN MOBY DICK WAS AN ANCHOVY.
IF THOSE LASTED TO THAT POINT.
AND NOW WE HAVE THIS NEW HIGH TECH EQUIPMENT THAT SEEMS TO MAYBE NEED MORE TWEAKING OR FINE TUNING, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
WE HAD, WE HAD THE MANUFACTURER COME IN MM-HMM.
IT'S, IT'S, I I COME FROM A STRONG PLUMBER BACKGROUND.
I HAVE A RELATIVE THAT'S A MASTER PLUMBER, 50 YEARS DOWN THE CITY.
I HAVE ANOTHER RELATIVE THAT'S A PLUMBER AND I HAVE A SON THAT'S A H V A TECH AND ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S H V A TECH.
AND NO ONE'S KNOCKING ANYBODY'S, UM, EXPERTISE OR THEIR, UH, ENTHUSIASM TO FIX THE SYSTEM.
BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING OVERLOOKED OR MISSED.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE LEFT THAT DAY, AND THEN FRANK CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY, YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO DO SOME FLUSHING AND GET PEOPLE HOT WATER.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING, MAYBE IT'S THE ENGINEER.
MAYBE UNLESS YOU NEED MORE, YOU KNOW, TWO TIMES A YEAR, THREE TIMES HERE, FLUSH.
I, I THINK YOU THINK THIS, I, FRANK, I FLUSH IT ALL THE TIME.
BUT I'M SAYING NOW THAT YOU, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT COMES OUT OF IT, BUT THAT
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VALVE, YES.I'M SAYING NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE VALVE INSTALLED, NOW YOU CAN FLUSH IT TWO TIMES A YEAR AND FLUSH OUT THE SYSTEM.
SO YOU HAVE, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ALSO PUTTING IN A FILTRATION SYSTEM, THAT SHOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FLUSH IT AS MUCH ANYMORE.
SO, FRANK, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE? UH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS THE PIPE, AND THIS IS FLUSHING IT.
CAN YOU BLOW THAT UP FOR PEOPLE TO SEE ALL THAT THERE? IT'S, I THINK IT'S GETTING CLOSER.
SO THIS WAS SERVICED ON NOVEMBER 22ND.
NO, BUT THE, THE BOILER WAS SERVICED ON NOVEMBER 10TH.
NOT HOT WATER TANK OR THE, WAS IT THE HOT WATER TANK? THE HOT WATER TANK.
SO IS THIS, IS IS, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN FLUSHING THE PIPE, ISN'T IT? SO, JUST TO BACK UP ONE SECOND.
GEORGE, CAN YOU BRING THE PIPE? YEAH.
SO JUST TO BACK UP ONE SECOND.
AND IF YOU SHOW THAT VIDEO ONE MORE TIME, I'LL DO, WAIT, SAY THAT CLEARER, FRANK.
AND SO THIS PIPING IS AFTER THIS, AFTER THE FLUSHING.
THIS IS BEFORE THAT'S A FLUSH.
SO IT SHOWS THAT THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL COMING OUTTA THERE IS BEFORE THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? OH, I HAVE NO, NO DOUBT.
RIGHT? NO, I'M SAYING YOU COULD SEE IT IN THE, BUT NOW THERE'S A VALVE IN PLACE TO DRAIN DOWN THE SYSTEM FURTHER DOWNSTREAM FROM THE SYSTEM.
AND NOW THERE'S A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS.
NOT SHOWING IT, BUT WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE BOILER ITSELF IS FLUSHED, WHICH IS WHAT, UM, GEORGE WAS REFERENCING, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN FLUSHING THE ACTUAL PIPE ITSELF.
WHICH IS WHAT THIS NEW VALVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO FLUSH, FLUSH THAT.
BUT I'M SAYING, SO NOW WE CAN DO BOTH.
RIGHT NOW THE BOILER CAN BE FLUSH.
I I COULD ALWAYS FLUSH THE, UH, THE HOT WATER HEATERS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING HARDLY EVER COME OUT.
SO AT THAT POINT WHERE THE MATERIALS COME, WHERE THE MATERIAL'S COMING OUTTA THAT PIPE MM-HMM.
SO BEFORE THIS POINT IS WHERE THAT MATERIAL'S COMING FROM.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT AFTER YOU FLUSH THE SYSTEM AND CLEANED OUT, REPLACED PIPES LIKE THIS, UM, THEY GOT THE HOT WATER AND THE RETURN WAS COMING BACK AT 110 OR MORE.
IT WAS GOING AT ONE 30 TODAY AND COMING BACK ONE 20.
YOU SAID AROUND WHAT? AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, UM, REGULATION CLOCK FOR? SO THAT 1 10, 1 TEAM ONE 10 MM-HMM.
SO THE, SO GOING FORWARD, WE REALLY WON'T HAVE, WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING MAINTENANCE, WE'RE DOING FLUSHING MORE.
SO THIS
AND THIS IS FOR ALL THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY.
NOW, NOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SOLUTION IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO FLUSH OUT THE PIPES, BUT AS YOU'RE SAYING, THE FILTRATION SYSTEM MIGHT PRECLUDE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A SIZABLE CONTRACT.
IS THERE, UM, ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING THE ENGINEER REEVALUATE THE WORK TO BE DONE? MAYBE NOW THAT THERE'S THIS SOLUTION, THEY COULD REDUCE THE SCOPE OF WORK OR THE SCOPE.
IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THE ENGINEER, UH, IS RECOMMENDING AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE GOING FORWARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WAS DONE AT, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
SO WE, WE STILL, WE STILL WANNA INCREASE CAPACITY.
SO YOU DO NEED THE ADDITIONAL BOILER.
IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE USING.
MOST OF THE UNITS, 60, 70% HAVE WASHING MACHINES.
I GOT A 16 YEAR OLD THAT WHEN HE GETS OUT OF THE BATHROOM, IT LOOKS LIKE LONDON, THE, THE WATER'S DRIPPING
I'M, I'M SURE WE HAVE TENANTS LIKE THAT.
SO WE WANT TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY BY ADDING THE STORAGE TANK.
ALL THE VALVES ARE GETTING REPLACED.
'CAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THIS, WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE BOTTOM OR THE HORIZONTAL.
UM, CHANGING ALL THE VALVES, ALL THE PIPING.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ORIGINALLY BRINGING IN A PORTABLE WATER HEATER WHILE THEY, THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS SYSTEM.
I THINK WE'RE LEANING MORE TOWARD HEAT, PUTTING IN HEAT EXCHANGES.
THAT WOULD BE A BACKUP IN CASE ANYTHING EVER HAPPENS.
AND THAT WOULD BE A BIG COST SAVING.
SO, SO THAT REDUCES BEFORE YOU GO GEORGE, THAT THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THAT 355 NO CONTRACT.
AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE 300.
SO NONE OF, SO THE WORK THAT WAS DONE HERE, THAT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING TO THE SCOPE OF WORK.
A LOT OF THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE SCOPE.
BUT IF IT WAS IN THE SCOPE THAT YOU KNEW THAT THESE THINGS WERE CLOGGED, WHY DIDN'T YOU
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DO WHAT YOU DID AFTER THE BUILDING? I KNEW THERE WERE SIX VALVES INVOLVED.WHAT? EVERYBODY WAS SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD, INCLUDING FRANKLIN WHEN HE WAS THERE, WAS WHICH VALVE IT WAS.
WE HAD A PROJECT MANAGER FROM ONE OF OUR FEDERAL SITES THAT'S OVERSEEING VERY SMART MAN.
HE CAME IN, HE ACTUALLY FIGURED OUT THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH WATER GOING IN THE HEAT AND VALVE.
'CAUSE WE WOULD'VE ARRIVED AT THE, THE FINISH LINE THE SAME TIME WITH OR WITHOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S HELPS.
'CAUSE IT WAS A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.
HE ACTUALLY ZEROED IN ON WHAT IT WAS.
BUT GOING BACK TO THOSE VALVES THAT WERE HUNG UP AGAIN, IT'S BEFORE THIS.
RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, PART OF THIS, SO IT'S AN AREA WHERE YOU COULD HAVE DRAINED FROM THE TANK, CORRECT? NO, NOT ON THAT PIPE.
I'M SAYING BEFORE, HERE'S THE TANK, WHICH THE, THE DRAIN IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT TANK.
YOU GOT WHERE THE DRAIN IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT TANK ON THE HOT WATER IS THERE? YES.
SO THE VALVES THAT ARE HUNG UP ARE FROM THE MATERIAL FROM THE TANK, CORRECT? NO.
SO WHAT'S SAYING IN THE VALVES UP THE, I DON'T KNOW, FRANK, THERE'S NOTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THIS TANK.
I'LL JUST EXPLAIN IF THE, IF THE MATERIAL AROUND HERE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT INSIDE THE VALVE.
IT'S AFTER THE WATER HEATER'S, BEFORE THE MIX A VALVE.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE COMING FROM THE TANK.
WHERE'S THE, I DON'T SEE THE DRAIN THE DRAIN'S RIGHT.
THIS DRAIN WAS HIGH THAT WE HAD SEEN IS ANOTHER DRAIN HERE.
THAT'S THE COLD WATER AND LIFT.
THIS IS THE CONDENSATE COLLECTION AREA.
SO HALF THIS TANK IS HOT WATER.
WHERE'S WITH THE HOSE BIT? THIS BOTTOM RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A BALL VALVE ON IT.
HOOK A HOSE ON IT, RUN IT OUT THE DOOR, OPEN IT UP, SEE WHAT COMES OUT.
THAT'S HOW THIS BOILER'S DESIGNED.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CONVENTIONAL WATER HEATER, BUT THE MATERIAL THAT WAS COMING OUTTA THAT IS BEFORE THIS.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE COMING FROM THE ONLY ONE SOURCE, WHICH WOULD BE THE TANK.
NO, WE, WE, WE DISAGREE ON WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
YOU KNOW WHERE I'M SUGGESTING IT'S COMING FROM? YEAH.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE MAINTENANCE COMPANY ACTUALLY DRAIN THE PIPES? AND SEE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T DRAIN THE PIPES.
THEY, THEY SERVE, I MEAN, DRAIN THE, DRAIN THE TANKS.
HARDLY ANYTHING EVER COMES OUT OF IT.
'CAUSE WHEN WE WERE THERE, EVERY TIME IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THEY MAINTAIN IT, IT WAS BASICALLY CHANGING LIMESTONE.
UM, THAT, THAT GETS SERVICED TOO.
THAT, I MEAN, DOESN'T, THAT'S PART OF THE SERVICE.
BUT THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE TOO, AS WELL AS WHERE THE STACK COMES UP.
THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO REDUCE IT AS CLOSE AS THEY DID.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO, WITH THE EFFICIENCY OF THEM BOILERS.
IT'S GOTTA BE REDUCED, BUT IT ONLY GETS REDUCED ONCE IT HITS THE CEILING.
SO THE, THE STACK IS ALSO GETTING CHANGED.
WHICH IS PART OF, PART OF THE SCOPE TOO AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IF, LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, THE STACK AS IT AS IT, IT STARTS OUT BIGGER AND THEN IT REDUCES IN SIZE AS IT, IT, IT GOES FROM UH, SIX INCH TO FOUR INCH, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THEY DID IT WAY TOO EARLY.
I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MORE CLEARLY.
JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE PERMIT FOR THE NEW SYSTEM.
OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S FOUR WEEKS AWAY, IF WE CAN RECEIVE IT A LITTLE BIT SOONER SO WE COULD REVIEW IT TO HELP YOU GUYS SURE.
FOR THE DRAINING AND THE SPECIAL STUFF THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN THE SYSTEM.
AND THE SECOND THING IS, IS IT GONNA INCREASE ANY KIND OF GAS OR YOU'RE GONNA FALL INTO ANY TYPE OF MORATORIUM WITH THE GAS STUFF? NO.
SO IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME SIZE GAS MEANS GOING OUT.
CAN I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TOUCHING THE GAS METER.
AND ALSO ALSO WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS OF, UH, PREVENTION, THAT WOULD NOT ELIMINATE ANY OF THE MAIN MAINTENANCE THAT WE'LL BE DOING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, IS ANY PART OF THAT UNDERGROUND? NO, MA'AM.
IT'S ALL, ALL ALL IN THE, ALL IN THE BOARD ROOM.
BUT IT DOES RETURN, SO IT DOES UNDERGROUND FROM THE BOARD.
WHAT LEAVES THE BUILDING AND HOT WATER TANK GOES THROUGH
I'M JUST, AND IT COMES AROUND THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
COMES BACK THROUGH RETURNS, COME BACK TO THE TANK.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY FILTRATION, IF THERE'S SOME THAT'S LEMME EXPLAIN THE RICH, RIGHT? IF THERE'S SOME YES.
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FLAW BREAK.SO THE RETURNS ACTUALLY PULL THROUGH THE SYSTEM BACK TO THE SYSTEM THAT WE PICK UP THE SET.
BUT WE'VE SEEN IT ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.
WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TOILET TANKS, IT'D BE A LAYER OF ITSELF.
AND I ALSO KNOW THERE'S A HOMEOWNER IN DENVER HAD THE SAME, SAME ISSUE.
SO WE PUT ACTUALLY ONE THAT I RECOMMENDED.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE OWNER TURBIDITY.
IT COULD ALSO BE PIPE OF I N I PIPE.
GOTTA REMEMBER ALL THOSE UNDERGROUND PIPES ARE ALMOST 60 YEARS OLD, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THAT'S MORE, SEE AND THIS IS OFTEN, THIS IS OFTEN A PROBLEM.
AND SO CONCEIVABLY THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE CASE, BUT THE FILTRATION SYSTEM WILL, WILL NEUTRALIZE THAT PROBLEM.
NOR NORMALLY YOU SEE SCALE LIKE THIS FROM, FROM HARD WATER.
BUT WE KNOW BY IT, THE REPORT LAST YEAR, THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE, WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE HARD WATER.
BUT IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF I NIGHT, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT TO COLLECT IT COMING BACK F FIND FILTER IT, FIND WHERE THE PROBLEM IS WITHOUT DIGGING EVERYTHING UP.
BUT YOU RIGHT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT THIS TIME OF YEAR? NO.
I I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD, HOW WOULD YOU LEARN TERRACOTTA PIPE, TRIPLE WALL AND, AND YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE RETURN FULL WATER SUPPLY.
YOU HAVE THE HEAT SUPPLY AND THE RETURN AND THEY'RE IN TERRACOTTA PIPES.
I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT TERRACOTTA DOES DEGRADE AND IT'S THE SIZE OF A 2 75 GALLON WATER.
ALL RIGHT? BUT IT, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, HOUSING AUTHORITY IS TOTALLY INDEPENDENT OF THE TOWN, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNDING AND REPAIRING AND DOING EVERYTHING FOR YOU.
THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WORKS.
UH, AND YES, WE DO APPOINT FIVE MEMBERS, UH, BUT THEN YOU DO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST.
JUST LIKE WE APPOINT MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT WE CAN'T TELL 'EM HOW TO VOTE.
UM, IT'S, UM, IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
SO WE APPOINT THE BEST PEOPLE WE THINK WE CAN APPOINT AND THEN WE EXPECT YOU TO DO WHAT, DO WHAT YOU DO.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A PROBLEM OVER THE SUMMER AND YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE.
SO YOU STARTED TO LOOK FOR SOME KIND OF A CONTRACTOR.
A WAY OF FIXING THE PROBLEM LONG TERM IS MY, THIS IS WHAT I GET OUT OF, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS OF SIX DAYS OF RESEARCH.
UM, AT, AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A, A DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF HOT WATER IT SEEMED LIKE ON THESE CONDENSING, UH, BOILERS.
UH, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE TEMPERATURE OF THE, OF THE, THE, AS A WAY TO SOLVE THE DECREASE IN TEMPERATURE, MAKING IT OUT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THESE BOILERS ARE DESIGNED.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO HAVE A LOWER TEMPERATURE.
BUT THE, THE QUICK SOLUTION, UH, WAS TO RAISE THE TEMPERATURE UP.
IT'S THAT INCREASED TEMPERATURE THAT COULD BE ALSO CAUSING SOME KIND OF A PROBLEM.
UH, BUT THEN ONCE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, THE TOWN BODE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ON DECEMBER, UH, 20TH.
UM, AND FRANK MODO, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR GOT INVOLVED AND, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED, SUGGESTED AGREED TO, UM, CUTTING OPEN THESE PIPES AND FLUSHING THEM OUT.
AND NOW MIRACULOUSLY RIGHT, THERE'S 120 DEGREES COMING BACK WHERE BEFORE IT WAS JUST OVER A HUNDRED.
IN THE MEANTIME, THERE'S A CONTRACTOR WHO'S SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO $355,000 WORTH OF WORK.
IT SEEMS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM WAS CLOGGED PIPES AND HOW TO AND DEALING WITH THAT.
ADDITIONAL STORAGE, WHICH IT WAS ALWAYS, ALWAYS HELPFUL.
UM, EARLIER YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU HAVE A BACKUP SYSTEM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HAVE A BACKUP SYSTEM FOR THE PIPES THAT ARE RUNNING UNDER THE GROUND.
'CAUSE IF THAT SYSTEM GOES DOWN, THAT SYSTEM'S DOWN, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE BACKUP SYSTEM? UM, WHEN YOU STARTED OFF SPEAKING, YOU SAID THAT WE HAD A
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REPLACE A HOT WATER TANK.I DON'T THINK WE'RE REPLACING ONE.
WE'RE JUST ADDING ONE, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE REPLACING.
NO ONE, ONE IS GONNA BE REPLACED BECAUSE IT'S, WE FOUND A LEAK IN IT AND, UH, SMALL LEAK IN IT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO ADD A BACKUP SYSTEM.
IS THAT, IS THAT STORAGE? IS THAT THE ONE WHERE IT'S DRIPPING ON THE SIDE AND CAUSING SOME CORROSION? I THINK THAT'S THE ONE.
BECAUSE TO ME, IF THEY WERE COMING FREQUENTLY TO DO SERVICE, THEY WOULD CATCH THAT.
ONLY ONE OF THEM DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
THAT CONDENSATE GOING AND BASICALLY CORRODING THE BASE.
ONE IS SOMEWHAT CORRODED, ONE'S SIGNIFICANTLY CORRODED, ONE'S SOMEWHAT CORRODED.
AND THE OTHER ONE SHOWS YOU WHAT IT REALLY SHOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE THREE TANKS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, I REALLY, I REALLY THINK THAT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR MAINTENANCE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A, A CHAT WITH BECAUSE IF, AND ALSO THIS CONTRACT, IT'S, LISTEN, IF YOU WANNA SPEND $355,000 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY.
BUT THAT ALL CAME ABOUT THAT $355,000 WHEN THEY DIDN'T SAY, THINK OF HOW ABOUT WE TRY FLUSHING THE PIPES AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
IT WAS ONLY SINCE DECEMBER 20TH TO DECEMBER 29TH THAT WHEN ALL OF THIS FLUSHING AND CUTTING OPEN THE PIPES AND GETTING THE STUFF OUT OF THERE, AND MIRACULOUSLY THERE'S NOW HOT WATER GOING TO THE UNITS.
UM, DID WE REALLY ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT BY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UM, PEOPLE AT TELLING US, UH, HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THE WAY THAT WAS BEING ADDRESSED IS SIMPLY RAISING THE TEMPERATURE IN THE CONDENSING BOILERS, WHICH IS NOT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU, YOU KNOW, TO TALK TO YOUR ENGINEERS AND SEE YOU, YOU KNOW, I KEEP MENTIONING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WATER THAT WE HAVE AND IT'S, IT'S CAUSING THIS.
BUT IF THAT WAS THE CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE GETTING THESE COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING GET LIKE A SECOND.
WE'VE HAD TWO ENGINEERS WHO, WHO WAS THE ENGINEER THAT DAY THAT WAS THERE? HE'S NOT YOUR ENGINEER.
MARK ROSE FROM C B K ENGINEERING.
'CAUSE HE TOLD ME HE WASN'T THE ENGINEER FOR, HE WAS ONLY HERE TO HELP YOU GUYS.
YOU NO, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE BIG GUY WITH THE SUSPENDERS.
SO WHO'S THE OTHER ENGINEER? HE'S A CONTRACTOR.
THE SMALLER PERSON IS A CONTRACTOR.
AND THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S HERE, IS HE FAMILIAR WITH THESE TYPE OF SYSTEMS? YES.
AND DID YOU ASK HIM HOW THEY DIDN'T THINK OF DOING THIS BEFORE? I MEAN, EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A MAJOR REPLACEMENT, IT WAS NARROWED DOWN TO SIX VALVES.
AS RICH HIMSELF SAID WHEN HE WAS THERE SATURDAY.
IT'S A VERY SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM.
NOBODY KNEW WHAT THE ISSUE WAS.
IT WAS ZIGGY, THE FOREMAN OF OUR FEDERAL SITES OVERVIEW THAT FIGURED OUT WHAT IT WAS AND THAT'S WHEN IT GOT FIXED.
BUT THESE THINGS, THESE THINGS HA THESE ARE ALWAYS COMPLICATED.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD PROBLEMS FOR MONTHS, WE HAD SIX PLUMBERS, TWO ENGINEERS.
AND WE HAD AN H V A C GUY THERE.
NONE OF THEM COULD FIGURE THIS OUT.
IT WAS NARROWED DOWN TO SIX VALVES.
WHAT IT WAS DOING DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND HINDSIGHT'S THE BEST SITE.
AFTER WE FIGURED OUT, AFTER ZIGGY FIGURED OUT WHAT IT WAS, WE FLUSHED IT OUT AND WE DETERMINED WHAT IT WAS.
IT WAS THE LAST STORM CAME IN AFTER ZIGGY.
YEAH, BUT HE, HE FIGURED OUT, LEMME FINISH.
THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH ZIGGY WITH WATERFALL GOING ANYWAY, SHOWED THIS, AND I SAID THAT THAT VALVE'S GOTTA BE DAMAGED.
I FREDDY HAD POINTED OUT TO ME THAT ZIGGY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.
FREDDY IS THE FREDDY'S THE PLUMBING INSPECTOR HAD POINTED OUT TO ME THAT HE'S NOT A PLUMBER.
SO I HAD ASKED THE ENGINEER GUY THAT WAS STANDING THERE TO HAVE A LICENSED PLUMBER COME FORWARD AND LOOK INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING ZIGGY, WHO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO GENTLEMAN IS TO HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS CAUSE IS GONNA BE.
'CAUSE I'M THINKING IT'S MORE OF THE MIXING VALVE.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THE LICENSED PLUMBER CAME IN FROM I THINK WHITE PLAINS AND THEN YEAH.
HE WAS REMOVED AND THERE WAS A PLUMBER FROM BROOKLYN WHO HAD CAME IN AND WE AGREED THAT IT IS DEFINITELY IN A MIXING VALVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, BUT JUST TO CLEAR THE RECORD, IT WASN'T, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE HINDSIGHT.
WE, WE SHOULD HAVE FIGURED OUT TO FLUSH IT OUT.
BUT WE, WE'VE HAD A SLEW OF PLUM.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU, I'M SUGGESTING THAT THERE WAS AN ENGINEER WHO CAME IN AND MADE A PROPOSAL FOR $355,000.
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I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT PERSON COULD HAVE THOUGHT OF MAYBE THERE'S A NARROWING IN THE PIPES RIGHT.BUT ONCE WE, THE TOWN WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS ON DECEMBER 20TH AND THEN WHATEVER THE GROUP WAS, AND I KNOW FRANK WAS THERE EVERY DAY, IT GOT FIXED.
AND THE PEOPLE NOW HAVE HOT WATER.
AND THAT, THAT WAS THE GOAL FOR EVERYBODY THERE.
AND, AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS AFTER WE DID DISCOVER IT IS MIXING VALVE, I RECOMMENDED THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOUR MAINTENANCE COMPANY DIDN'T POINT THIS OUT TO PUT TWO DRAINS ON THE BOTTOM OF THESE PIPES SO IT COULD BE FLUSHED EVEN AFTER THAT.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE RECOMMENDED TO FLUSH THE VALVES OUT AFTER ALL THIS SYSTEM.
SO THE ONLY FILTER IN WE SHOULD, SHOULD, YEAH.
I DO WANNA JUST CAST A BIGGER PICTURE.
UM, SO FINDING CONSULTANTS WHO, UH, IS VERY DIFFICULT FINDING CONSULTANTS WHO ARE, WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL, IT'S LIKE NOW YOU GO TO A DOCTOR, IF YOU HURT YOUR ELBOW, YOU CAN'T GO TO A KNEE DOCTOR, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ELBOW DOCTOR.
SO IT, IT, IT DOES GET COM COMPLEX.
AND YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT EVEN WITH THE PITFALLS, YOU WERE TRYING YOUR DARNEDEST TO FIND THE ISSUE, TO CORRECT THE ISSUE TO CREATE THE FIXES AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES THE CONSULTANTS, AND MAYBE ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, ESPECIALLY NOW BECAUSE THE MARKET IS SO STRESSED, UM, IT'S HARD TO FIND THE, THE BEST PEOPLE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS EXPERIENCE.
AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT YOU'RE NOW ON THE, THE ROAD TO THE PROPER SOLUTION.
I THINK YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THAT SOLUTION ALL ALONG BY, YOU KNOW, READING THIS TIMELINE AND, AND HOW YOU'VE HANDLED IT.
AND JUST, JUST ALSO FOR THE, ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING, I, I THINK YOU, YOU'VE SAID IT HERE JUST TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.
THAT THE, THAT THE PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECT IS A NEW YORK STATE FUNDED AIDED PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECT.
AND IT IS PAID FOR THAT ANY WORK IS PAID FOR BY STATE GRANTS.
AM I CORRECT? AS WELL AS THE INCOME SUCH AS IT IS THAT YOU GET FROM RENTING OUT THE UNITS? YES.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS, AND THE TOWN ITSELF, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG DOES NOT PAY FOR ANY OF THAT NOR GET INVOLVED BECAUSE YOU'RE SELF-GOVERNING.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THAT CLARIFICATION IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO POST THIS, UM, LETTER AND TIMELINE ON THE TOWN SITE FROM, FROM THE, THE, UM, THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE CONSTRAINTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT.
THESE UNITS ARE OLDER AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, THERE WAS A, A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT DONE, UM, BY THE COUNTY THAT FOUND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES THROUGHOUT, UH, RESIDENCES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR.
THEY'RE ALL OLD, MOST OF THEM WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A PROBLEM.
UM, THERE'S SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO BE TAKEN FOR US WHO ARE, WHOMEVER IT IS, WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS OR CONDO OWNERS TO MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEMS. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS TRYING TO DO THAT FOR THE, FOR THESE PROJECTS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, WITH THE HELP WITH US ALL COLLABORATING TOGETHER, UM, WE'VE COME UP WITH A, A FIX THAT MAYBE CAN BE TWEAKED SOME MORE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT YOU WILL TAKE, UM, THE ADVICE OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY SAVINGS TO BE FOUND.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, UM, CONCERNED FOR EVERYBODY HAVING TO GO THROUGH WHAT RESIDENTS HAVE GONE THROUGH
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AND WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.YOU JUST DON'T FOR THAT
WELL, LET ME, LET ME, UH, LET ME RESTATE, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON I PREFERENCE MY OPENING STATEMENT BECAUSE WE DO WANNA WORK WITH THE TOWN AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE TOWN.
I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN SUCCESSFULLY PROVIDE THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT PEOPLE DESERVE.
AND, AND HOUSING IS A RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PRIVILEGE.
EVERYBODY DESERVES SAFE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH AT GREENBURG HOUSING, PUBLIC HOUSING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S TIME OUT FOR THESE KIND OF PROBLEMS AND THESE KIND OF BUILDINGS AND WE'RE TRYING TO HOUSE PEOPLE IN THEM.
SO WE'LL ALWAYS BE WORKING WITH, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS WITH, UH, YOU THE SENIOR HOUSING ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.
UM, AND YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT POSSIBLE, UM, REPLACEMENT AT SOME SOME POINT IN TERMS OF MAPLE AVENUE.
IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, YOUR PLANS FOR THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF, UH, COMING UP WITH NEW, YOU KNOW, MODERN, YOU KNOW, CLEAN, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? AND ALSO IS THERE, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO HELP? TELL ME LOCK THAT.
YEAH, WITH MAINTENANCE, WELL, WE ARE LOOKING, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS, UH, ALREADY WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND WITH CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF, OF DOING THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH HOUSING THAT IS, UH, PUSHING 60 YEARS OLD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS AS, AS OLD AS THAT IS AND UNDERGROUND, UH, WITH THE TYPE OF SOIL THAT WE HAVE THAT THE HOUSING IS BUILT ON, IT DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO PRESERVING INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT REALLY EATS AWAY AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPING MANHATTAN AVENUE AS WELL AS, AS CONTINUING AND COMPLETING WHAT WE DID WITH THE FEDERAL SITES, WHICH IS JUST ALL THE SCATTERED SITES.
AND ALONG WITH MANHATTAN AVENUE, WHEN WILL THE SENIOR HOUSING BE, YOU KNOW, OPENING UP, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ON MANHATTAN NEAR OUR EXPECTATION IS FEBRUARY OF 2023.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE CAN BE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ALSO.
SO I WOULD SAY REALISTICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT MARCH.
AND, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SCATTER SITE? YOU KNOW, UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, RENOVATED? YES.
UM, MERRILL HILL COATS IS COMPLETELY RENOVATED.
IT'S, UM, LEASED UP COMPLETELY.
STACY COATS IS, UM, RENOVATED COMPLETELY.
WE HAVE LEASED UP CCO HEIGHTS, UH, HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LEASING RIGHT NOW.
SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING ON GLENVILLE GARDENS AND PICO PARK.
SO OUR EXPECTATION IS BY SEPTEMBER OF 2023, PICO PARK SHOULD BE ALSO COMPLETED.
AND I ALSO WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT, UH, FROM THE, UH, THE TOWN ON FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THE MAPLE STREET, OAK STREET AND THE BEAD STREET PROPERTIES.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE OTHER ONE? THIS, I'M SORRY.
CAN THIS MATTER BE PREVENTED, BISHOP, JUST WONDERING THIS WATER ISSUE FROM A QUALITY OF LIFE PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PREVENTED IN THE FUTURE WITH, WITH ROUTINE, UM, UH, MAINTENANCE OR ROUTINE ATTENTION BEING GIVEN TO THE, UM, THE PIPE SITUATION OR THE BUILDUP OF, OF WHATEVER CREATED THIS ISSUE? WHAT IS IT POSSIBLE TO PREVENT IT GOING FORWARD? WELL, I THINK THE ONLY, ONLY THING IN TALKING TO THE, UH, TOWN INSPECTOR AND, AND KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT CON CONSTRUCTION, UM, ANYTIME YOU HAVE METAL PIPE AND IT, IT'S GOING TO DO IT TO A DEGREE.
UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN, IN, UH, IN THIS, UH, FEDERAL SITES IS WE'VE REPLACING ALL THE INTERNAL PIPES WITH, UH, P V C, WHICH DOES NOT CORRODE THIS WAY.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF ONE OF THE PREVENTIVE MEASURES THAT WE'RE DOING.
WELL, IT, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE DRAINED.
I MEAN, THE TAKEAWAY IS IT NEEDS TO BE DRAINED FREQUENTLY.
AND THIS, THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN TO P V C EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT WOULD, IT MAY BE IN THE SYSTEM.
IT WILL NOT ADHERE TO THE PIPING.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE WRAP UP.
UH, THE TWO BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU, YOU DRAINED THIS, SO YOU DID THE MAINTENANCE ON IT.
WAS IT TWICE A TWICE A YEAR? IS THIS, WITH THIS BEING BUILDED UP? SHOULD IT BE INCREASED? SO WE WON'T, SO THIS WON'T CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.
WELL, ONCE WE PUT THE SOFTENER IN AND THE FILTRATION, THAT'S IT.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRAIN.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, SO THERE'S NO DRAINING GONNA BE REQUIRED? NO.
WELL, WE'LL STILL, WE'LL STILL PERIODICALLY CHECK IT, BUT NO, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.
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YOU'LL HAVE THAT KIND.WE, WE'LL DO IT AS A PREVENTIVE MEASURE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE PLACE LIKE THAT.
WILL THE SYSTEM HAVE, SO THAT JUST TO BE SAFE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, YOU CUT THE PIPE, YOU PUT IN THE DRAINS, SO YOU ARE ABLE TO CHECK THAT OUT IN THE NEW SYSTEM.
WILL YOU HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF SETUP SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO BUILDUP? YES.
ALL, ALL IT ALL, ALL THE WHOLE PIPING IS GETTING REPLACED IN THE WHOLE THING.
AND I MAY BE CURIOUS TO SEE, SEE WHAT I, I KNOW WHAT THE VALVES LOOK LIKE ALREADY.
I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE HORIZONTAL COPPER LOOKS LIKE.
AND JUST, JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE A A, A WAY OF A BACKUP CHECK SYSTEM MM-HMM.
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE PIPING CHECK BETWEEN BUILDING TO BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
FRANK, DO YOU HAVE DRAINS ON THE OTHER SIDE? LIKE WHERE YOU COULD FLUSH IT THROUGH LIKE WE DID WITH THIS? NOPE.
IF YOU DON'T CHECK THAT PIPING, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET BACK TO THIS? UM, WELL, WATER COMING IN AND YOU'RE GONNA GO OUT.
SO CAN YOU FLUSH IT? IT'S GONNA BE SOFT EACH, WE, I'M SURE WE COULD PROBABLY OPEN UP TUBS AND FLUSH IT OUT.
UH, THE WATER PIPES, A BLACK PIPE BLACK AND UH, THE HEAT LINES ARE, ARE, ARE, UH, GALVANIZED I THINK, WHICH IS A PROBLEM.
BUT DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT UNDER THE BUILDINGS, EVERYTHING'S ALL COPPER.
MAYBE IF THEY GO TO THAT FAR APARTMENT THAT WE WENT TO AND FLUSH IT OUT LIKE WE DID THAT IN THAT VIDEO WOULD HELP.
I I JUST HAVE ONE BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO ASK, RIGHT? A LOT OF THE SENIORS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MOVE, WHEN THEY MOVE BACK IN, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE NOW VACANCIES ON LAKE STREET AND YOU KNOW, YONKERS WHERE, WHERE THEY WERE LIVING.
UM, I'VE BEEN GETTING LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, HOUSING.
DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE UNITS, WHERE THE SENIORS ARE GONNA BE MOVING OUT OF BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVING INTO BACK INTO GREENBURG HOUSING IF THE LANDLORDS THERE HAVE AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, RENTALS.
BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF CONTACTING, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WERE YOU PAYING LIKE AFFORDABLE RENTAL RATES OR MORE FOR THE TEMPORARY BECAUSE, UH, IF IT WAS AFFORDABLE, THEN I COULD REALLY GIVE THEM THE, THE NAMES OF THE LANDLORDS.
THERE ARE LISTS THAT ARE YEARS LONG.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS SEPARATE.
THE PLACES WHERE YOU WENT TO ARE NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THESE ARE JUST LANDLORDS WHO WORK WITH YOU.
THOSE ARE UN MARKED MARKET RATE MARKET.
SO I WOULDN'T GET, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF OPTIONS.
IT MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT HURT TO INVESTIGATE, BUT, BUT AT THIS POINT, MAYBE YOU GIMME LIKE THE NAMES OF THOSE.
AND THEN I'LL THEN I'LL REACH OUT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE.
DO YOU WANT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE POLICE ANTISEMITISM AND BIAS REPORT? YES.
I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF GAVE ME, UM, GAVE THE BOARD, UM, THANK YOU ANTISEMITISM AND BIAS, UM, REPORT AND, UM, I ASKED CRYSTAL TO DO A SUMMARY, WHICH SHE SENT EVERYBODY.
SO, AND I'LL ASK, UH, JOE LUC TO POST IT ON THE, THE WEBSITE.
SO YOU GONNA POST IT IN BOTH PLACES? 'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE STATISTICS, THE POLICE STATISTIC.
YEAH, I'M HAVE SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT BOTH PLACES? YEAH.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION, MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR, UH, FOR DISCUSSING INTERVIEWS, UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS, UM, AND SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE ON B R S MATTERS.
PERSONNEL MATTERS ARE INVOLVING INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS.
AND THE INTERVIEWS ARE FOR CANDIDATES FOR A PARTICULAR PETITION.
AND WE WILL NOT BE COMING BACK.