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OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.
[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, January 4, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
OKAY.GOOD EVENING AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
AND WELCOME TO THE FIRST PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF 2023, JANUARY 4TH.
UM, MATT, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? SURE.
HERE PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT GRIT DESIRE WILL BE ABSENT AND HONOR FRY TAG WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? I HAVE ONE ON PAGE TWO OF FOUR OLD BUSINESS PARAGRAPH TWO.
IT SAYS, UM, CONDITION JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
AND THAT'S SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE.
IT'S NOT JUNIPER HILL ROAD, IT'S THAT SIDE.
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT? THAT IS JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
OH, THAT IS, NO, IT'S OFFICIALLY JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
BUT IT WAS NEVER PAVED OR, OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? SOMETHING COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? MY ONLY COMMENT IS IT'S MISSING PAGE NUMBERS THIS TIME.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON THAT'S ENTITLED TO NOT HAVE PAGE NUMBERS.
OPPOSED? DID I HEAR MONA, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN.
I DIDN'T ATTEND THE MEETING, NOR DID I VIEW IT.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, THERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS IN CORRESPONDENCE.
ONE IS FROM OUR FANTASTIC SECRETARY PATTY.
UM, DEAR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR THE GENEROUS AND THOUGHTFUL HOLIDAY GIFT.
MAY, 2023 BRING MUCH HEALTH AND HAPPINESS TO EVERYONE.
PATTY DOES A LOT MORE THAN PEOPLE KNOW BEHIND THE SCENES AND KEEPS US ALL ORGANIZED, SO THANK YOU PATTY.
UM, WHAT DID WE GIVE HER BY THE WAY? UH, WE GAVE HER A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO, UH, A GIFT CARD.
SO SHE CAN USE IT WHEREVER SHE WANTS.
UM, THE OTHER ANNOUNCEMENT I WANNA MAKE, UH, MATT REFERRED TO IT.
THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE, UH, ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, MONA HAS VOLUNTEERED, UH, BECAUSE OF HER SCHEDULE TO BECOME AN ALTERNATE MEMBER AND EFFECTIVE LAST NIGHT.
SHE IS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER OF THE BOARD, AND LESLIE DAVIS IS NOW A FULL VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
SO WELCOME TO THAT AND CONGRATULATIONS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN, UH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, FIRST CASE, WHAT IS THIS? OH, WHAT'S THAT? THIS IS, OKAY.
THE FIRST CASE IS GALLAGHER A THOUSAND, RIGHT? UH, FIRST CASE IS STEFANOVICH, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
IT'S STEFANOVICH, UH, FIVE CHALFORD LANE.
IT'S FOR A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
THEY WERE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL, UH, AND SOME RELATED IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDED SOME DRAINAGE AND, AND SOME, UH, NEW RETAINING WALLS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT IT, MATT, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? UM, NOTHING REALLY.
UH, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THEIR DRAINAGE WILL COMPLY WITH A 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM EVENT.
UM, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE, UM, OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING WILL CONFIRM THAT WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR THEIR STORMWATER PERMIT, UM, OTHER THAN I MISSED THAT WHAT YEAR STORM? SORRY? 25.
YEAR FIVE EXTREME STORM EVENT WITH THE NEW, WITH THE NEW NUMBERS, RIGHT? YES.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION.
UM, THERE'RE JUST TWO VOTES, UH, ONE FOR SEEKER TWO, IF WE WANNA CLASSIFY AS A TYPE TWO, AND THEN ONE FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, APPLICATION ITSELF.
I I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE 25 YEAR EXTREME USING THE OLD SCALE 25 AND 50.
WHERE WOULD THIS FALL? GOOD QUESTION.
I, I, I, I CAN JUMP IN EVERYONE.
AARON SCHMIDT, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER.
WALTER, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I JUST, UH, WANTED
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TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S GREATER THAN THE FORMER 25 YEAR, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE UP TO THE FORMER 50 YEARS.THE OLD WAS, UM, IN THE TOWN'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT APPLICATION DESIGNING FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM IS A SIX INCH STORM EVENT.
AND IN THE EXTREME, UH, WEATHER EVENT, IT IS GREATER THAN, NOT QUITE SEVEN INCHES, BUT CERTAINLY GREATER THAN SIX.
MONA, COULD WE THINK OF THIS AS LIKE A 25 PLUS ALL THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES ARE DOING PLUS NOW.
SO WE CAN THINK OF IT LIKE THAT, BUT IT IT, IT IS THE NEW FEDERAL STANDARD FOR 25 YEARS.
I STILL SEE NO REASON WE CAN'T ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO BEYOND THAT IF THEY CAN, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOUR POINT IS IN THEIR INTEREST, IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST TO DO IT.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT'S BEYOND THAT BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERING THAT'S BEEN DONE.
THIS HAS BEEN A WELL-ENGINEERED PROJECT IN MY VIEW.
SO, UM, OKAY, SO WE NEED TWO VOTES.
FIRST, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS TYPE TWO UNDER TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER? NO MOVE.
THEN CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, DO I WANT TO VOTE ON THAT ONE FOR TAKE TWO? CAN WE VOTE, NOT VOTE, TAKE TWO.
UH, YOU HAVE TO VOTE THAT IT IS A TIGHT, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MORE A SECOND GET DONE QUICK.
NO, I'M JUST, I I'M ALL I'LL SECOND.
AND NOW COULD I HAVE A VOTE TO, UH, TO APPROVE THE PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, PLEASE? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UH, AGAIN, YOU'RE STEP SLOW MO ON, ON ZOOM THERE JOHANN, YOU SECOND IT.
I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE ON, ON TAPE DELAY THERE.
UM, CASE, UH, PB 22 DASH, UH, 18, WHICH IS GALLAGHER AT UH, THOUSAND DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
IT'S FOR A MINOR PROJECT, WETLAND WATERCOURSE, AND IT'S A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE PERMIT AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF I'M, IF I'M CORRECT, WHETHER OR NOT TO TURN IT OVER EXACTLY.
TO TURN IT OVER OR ACTUALLY GO FORWARD TO THE FULL HEARING.
UH, WATERCOURSE BUFFER, ITS AREA APPLICANT APPROXIMATELY 17,000 FEET, BUT THEY'RE ONLY DISTURBING ABOUT 400 OF THE, OF THAT.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS THAT THEY'RE REPLACING, THIS IS ONE THEY'RE REPLACING THE PORCH, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE APPLICANT HA IS DOING TWO CONCURRENT PROJECTS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE A, AN ENCLOSED PATIO AREA THAT IS IN A STATE OF SUCH DISREPAIR.
THAT PATIO IS ENCROACHING IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
SO ACCORDING TO OUR TOWN CODE, IN ORDER TO REPAIR IT, THEY HAVE TO GET THE VARIANT, A VARIANCE TO DO SO, WHICH THEY WERE GRANTED.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR VARIANCE.
THAT PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT TRIGGER A WETLANDS PERMIT.
SEPARATELY, THEY PERMISS TO REPAIR BECAUSE IT'S A REPAIR, NO ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE.
SEPARATELY, THEY ARE SEEKING TO DO A DECK EXPANSION AND HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND, UM, LAP POOL SO THEY CAN LIKE EXERCISE ONE OF THOSE ENDLESS POOLS KIND OF THINGS.
UH, THE ONLY GROUND DISTURBANCE THERE IS FROM DIGGING INTO THE GROUND TO PLACE THE PILLARS TO SUPPORT THE DECK.
THEY WENT TO THE C A C, THEY RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
THEY AGREED TO PLACE GRAVEL UNDERNEATH THE DECK TO AID IN WATER ABSORPTION AND TO HAVE THE SLATS ON THE DECK SEPARATED.
SO WATER WILL RUN THROUGH THE SLATS TO THE GRAVEL, OR CAN BE ABSORBED BY THE GROUND, AND THERE'LL BE NO ADDITIONAL RUNOFF.
AND ALSO THAT ANY, UH, WATER REMOVED BE CARTED OFF SITE.
NO, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, WAS THERE ONE MORE CHUNK TO IT? THAT WAS IT.
THE, IT'S A PATIO, ENCLOSED PATIO, WHICH WAS NONCONFORMING BEFORE, AND IT'S BEING LEGALIZED AS I I UNDERSTAND THIS APPLICATION.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? THEY ARE ON ZOOM, I DO BELIEVE.
BUT MICHAEL SAID, ALRIGHT, MICHAEL, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YES.
WE, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WHERE YOU JUST STICK A POST IN THE GROUND, YOU REMOVE A COUPLE OF CUBIC FEET OF DIRT.
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AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE, I THINK WE SHOULD GET THE LAW AMENDED SO THAT THESE COMPLETELY UNIMPACTFUL PROJECTS DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING WORK PROCESS.I THINK THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN INTEREST STANDARD.
BOTH, BOTH STEEP SLOPE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, STEEP SLOPE I THINK HAS A SQUARE FOOTAGE MINIMUM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WETLANDS WATERCOURSE IS RIDICULOUS.
I REMEMBER THERE WAS ONE YEARS AGO, IT WAS LIKE 98 FEET FROM THE WATERCOURSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE OPTION, THE OPTION HERE, MICHAEL, IS TO JUST TURN, TURN IT OVER.
NO, IT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE BEFORE ANYBODY.
WHO'S THE, UM, WHO'S THE WETLANDS? UH, ME.
YOU ON THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR? YES.
OH, NOW THAT, NOW I GOT SECOND THOUGHTS.
AARON'S RAISED HIS HAND FOR ALL, ALL THE CONTROVERSIAL ONES ARE RUN THROUGH HIM.
BUT, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S MY SERIOUS COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, I, I'VE SEEN THIS MANY TIMES BEFORE.
IF YOU WANNA EMPTY THE POOL, YOU GOTTA TRUCK THE WATER OUT.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT HAS CHLORINE IN IT.
DOESN'T CHLORINE DISSOLVE? ISN'T THAT WHY YOU HAVE TO TEST CHLORINE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND ADD MORE TO SWIM THE SWIMMING POOL? IT DOES EVAPORATE.
AND I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DRAIN IT OUT SO LONG, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CHLORINE REACHES A CERTAIN MINIMAL LEVEL, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THE CHLORINE DOES ANYTHING.
YOU'RE PUTTING IT INTO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO? SO I, I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE WATER BE TRUCKED AT A SWIMMING POOLS UNLESS IT'S BEING PUMPED DOWN THEIR PROPERTY INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S YARD.
YOU'RE ASSUMING IT'S GOING INTO THE STORM DRAIN.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RULE, THEY COULD PUMP IT WHEREVER THEY WANT.
ALSO, I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT BAD THINGS CHLORINE DOES.
WELL, IT SAYS JUST A MATTER, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF CHLORINE THOUGH.
I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT, AND THIS IS NOT HOW MANY GALLONS? THAT'S RIGHT.
THIS, THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ENDLESS POOLS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH WATER IN IT.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A 40 BY 20 POOL THAT COULD BE A LOT OF WATER.
AND GIVEN THE STORM DRAINS IN GREENBURG, WHICH SOME ARE OKAY, OTHERS OF US KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT.
YOU COULD CAUSE A TEMPORARY FLOOD.
YOU COULD DO ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
SO I STILL THINK IT'S AT THIS POINT BETTER TO DO THAT.
YOU JUST SAID THAT THIS POOL HAS A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WATER.
SO WHAT ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT? WE'RE NOT, SO WHY DO WE GET A HAVING A TRUCKED OFF? THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT TO, TO, TO TOM'S POINT, IS THAT IF IT, IF IT GOES INTO VEGETATION, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
DOES CHLORINE KILL VEGETATION? OH YEAH.
SO I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE NEED SOMEBODY TO TELL US IS WHAT'S THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF CHLORINE THAT WON'T HARM ANYTHING? OKAY.
SO TO RESPOND TO, YOU HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEY WERE ALL GOOD.
UM, WE ACTUALLY STAFF IN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING GORDON, AND ACTUALLY BASED ON PRIOR COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE'LL CALL SUPER MINOR PROJECTS, UM, DON'T ACTUALLY COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF THEM WHERE MATT HAS SIMPLY JUST KIND OF REPORTED THAT HE'S GONNA BE PROCESSING A MINOR WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT FOR A DECK THAT'S 89 FEET AWAY FROM A DITCH THAT'S REGULATED UNDER THE, THE TOWN CODE IN THIS CASE.
AND MATT MAY BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN ME, BUT THIS IS BEFORE THE BOARD, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A VARIANCE INVOLVED.
AND IT'S THE WORK'S, YOU KNOW, ONLY 20 OR 30 SOME ODD FEET AWAY FROM THE WATERCOURSE.
IT'S NOT ONE OF THESE WHERE IT'S 98 FEET OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM A WATERCOURSE WHERE WE KNOW FOR A FACT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE FOR ANY, UM, IMPACT TO THE WATERCOURSE IN THIS CASE.
WITH RESPECT TO THE POOL WATER, I, I THINK THE, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE HAD THE PRACTICE OF HAVING THE POOL WATER CARTED OFF BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLUME OF WATER TO GO OFFSITE ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
UM, THAT WHERE IT WASN'T INTENDED OR INTO A STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT MAY NOT BE EQUIPPED TO HANDLE A, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR VOLUME OF WATER.
WE CAN RESEARCH, UH, CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU'VE ASKED, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT QUANTITY OF CHLORINE IS DISRUPTIVE TO, YOU KNOW, PLANT SYSTEMS. WE CAN DO THAT AND REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD.
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TO DO SO, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE UM, IMPLEMENTED THE SUPER MINOR PROJECT THAT DOESN'T COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR A WORK SESSION.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED AN OFFICIAL VOTE ON THIS OR WE, YOU DO NEED TO VOTE.
TURN IT OVER IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD SHOULD DO.
I HAVE A MOTION TO TURN THIS OVER TO, UH, THE WETLANDS IN INSPECTOR.
IS THAT YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE THERE? YES.
YOU NEED AND THERE'S A LATE IS A LATE PERSON VOTING AYE.
UM, THAT'S IT FOR THE WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING NOW, SO GIVE US A COUPLE MINUTES TO GO UP ON THE STAGE AND, UH, THEN WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, MR. GALLAGHER, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, 'CAUSE I SEE YOU ON AND, AND YOU'VE TURNED ON YOUR VIDEO, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS WAIVED JURISDICTION FOR YOUR PROJECT AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR, THAT BEING MR. BRITTON.
SO MR. BRITTON CAN ISSUE A DECISION ON YOUR PROJECT WITHOUT HAVE THE NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND YOU'RE ALL SET FOR THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE TOMORROW.
UH, MATT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT KURT DESAI
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IS NOT PRESENT AND MONA FRY TAG WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.UH, FIRST CASE IS PB 2211, WHICH IS VONE 63.
UH, POST OFFICE HASTINGS ON HU HUDSON, NEW YORK.
GREENBURG, BUT HASTINGS ON HU HUDSON.
AND I UNDERSTAND MR. VONE, MR. BIAN ARE ON ZOOM THIS EVENING.
UM, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A HEARING THAT WE HAD LA LAST YEAR.
UM, THERE WAS REALLY A COUPLE OF ISSUES.
THE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT WERE OUTSTANDING THAT WE WANTED ADDRESSED.
UM, THE, THERE IS A FAIRLY LARGE RETAINING WALL ON THIS PROPERTY THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO, TO A NEIGHBORING HOME.
AND WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WITH THE, THE, THE AESTHETICS OF THAT AS WELL AS THEY HAD AN EIGHT, ORIGINALLY AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UH, AROUND THE POOL AREA, UH, WHICH WE WERE ALSO A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA ADDRESS BOTH THOSE ISSUES NOW.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES FOR US.
UM, YEAH, SO I, I'M GONNA SHARE THE SCREEN SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE, THE REVISIONS THAT WE MADE TO THE PLANS.
COULD YOU PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? UH, THIS IS JONATHAN BASHAN.
P COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? IF YOU SPEAK, SPEAK UP TO IT.
UM, YEAH, UH, MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN? YES.
SO, UM, WE, THERE WAS A FEW, UM, COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, UM, THAT YOU HAVE RAISED.
UM, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS ALL OF 'EM.
UM, THE MAIN THING IS THAT, SO WE TOOK AWAY THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
UM, SO THERE'S REALLY NOT, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING INSTEAD IS WE'RE APPLYING THE, UH, EVERGREEN TREES ALONG, UM, THE PERIMETER.
SO IT'S GONNA BE VEGETATION, UM, SHOWN.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S GONNA BE A FIVE FOOT WALL AND THEN ONLY, AND THERE'S TREES.
THIS IS JUST GONNA BE MULCHED IN TREES AREA AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UM, AND THE FENCING IS ACTUALLY GONNA GO IN FRONT.
IT'S GONNA BE A WOOD FENCE, UM, AN OPEN STYLE WOOD FENCE LIKE THIS JUST TO ACT AS A SAFETY RAIL, UM, TO PREVENT ACCESS INTO THAT, UH, HIGH AREA.
THE SECOND TIER PORTION OF THE WALL IS GONNA HAVE AN ALUMINUM RAILING, UM, ACROSS, UH, AND ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE SAFETY RAIL FOR THE TOP, ESSENTIALLY THAT.
AND HOW LONG IS THAT? HOW HIGH IS THAT FENCE? THE SECOND ONE, IT'S 42 INCHES RAILING.
JUST LIKE AN ALUMINUMS, LIKE GUARDRAIL ESSENTIALLY.
UM, AND THEN TREES, THE BLOCK WAS ANOTHER QUESTION.
THE COLOR OF THE BLOCK, UM, THIS IS A SAMPLE, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF LIKE THE GRAY STYLE BLOCK.
UM, UH, THE, AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN THINGS.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S THE WALL THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE PAST WAS TALL.
THIS IS GONNA BE MUCH SHORTER AND BROKEN UP.
WE TIERED IT SO WE DON'T HAVE A HIGH WALL, AND WE'RE ADDING THAT VEGETATION, THE TREES, UM, IN FRONT.
THAT'S WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE WALL AGAIN? IT, IT GOES, IT, IT GOES UP TO EIGHT FEET, BUT ONLY IN THAT CORNER AREA.
AND THEN IT, AND THEN IT JUST, IN THE, WELL, IT GOES UP TO EIGHT FEET.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANSWER REALLY ISN'T THAT IT GOES UP TO EIGHT.
BUT THAT CORNER IS VERY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR EIGHT, CORRECT? SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
MR. BASHAM, ISN'T THAT CORNER CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR? THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE IS HERE? YEAH, IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT CORNER, THE RESIDENCE IS, IS OVER HERE.
SO BEHIND WHERE THE HOUSE IS, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IS WHAT, FIVE FEET? YEAH, IT'S FIVE FEET AND ACTUALLY IT TAPERS DOWN IN THAT, IN THE REAR AREA.
SO THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S LOT IS ALSO PRETTY STEEP SLOPE IN THE, IN THE REAR YARD HERE, THIS PORTION STEPS DOWN AND THEN FLATTENS OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, NO.
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OTHER COMMENT I HAD IS IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UM, PUTTING SOME VEGETATION ON THAT WALL TO KIND OF, IT'S THERE, UH, WE LOOKED FROM, FROM A PICTURE TO SEE IF THE VEGETATION ON THE NEIGHBOR SIDE REALLY, UH, BLOCK THE WALL.IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT DOES FROM WHAT WE COULD SEE.
AND WAS WONDERING IF YOU CONSIDERED PUTTING SOME KIND OF VINE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD EITHER CRAWL UP THE WALL OR CRAWL DOWN THE WALL? YEAH.
IT'S, I, I, I PERSONALLY, FROM THE STRUCTURAL ASPECT, I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF, OF VINES ON THE WALL.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IT CAUSES MORE DETERIORATION AND, AND IT'S ALONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S UP TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, I WOULD DEFER TO THAT, TO THEM BOARD WOULD COMMENT ON THAT.
WELL, I HAVE MIXED, I, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, IN SOME CASES, VINES, UH, ON THE WALL, UH, UM, DEGRADES THE MASONRY MASON BETWEEN THE BLOCKS, BUT THAT'S OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S MORTAR IN THESE.
I THINK THEY'RE SET ON TOP WITH A MEMBRANE THAT GOES INTO THE GROUND.
SO THE OTHER THING IS, IN THAT CASE, VINE SHOULDN'T WORK.
MICHAEL, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE VEGETATION CLIMBING UP THE WALL, IT'S GOTTA BE MAINTAINED.
AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
SO THE APPLICANT COULDN'T REALLY MAINTAIN IT.
THE NEIGHBOR WOULD'VE TO DO IT.
THERE WOULD'VE TO BE SOME COOPERATION.
DO WE KNOW, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE WALL LOOKS LIKE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S POINT OF VIEW? YOU KNOW, WAIT, THE RENDERING OF, I MEAN THE, THE BEST WE HAVE IS A, IS A SECTION HERE, AND WE HAVE THE, THE SAMPLE BLOCK OF THE BLOCK.
DO YOU HAVE THE PICTURE THAT HELPS? WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, YESTERDAY FOR THAT.
WE HAVE A PICTURE OF WHERE THE HOUSE IS RELATIVE TO THE WALL, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW WHAT THE WALL NO, BUT AT, AT LEAST LOOK LIKE, AT LEAST YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE PROXIMITY IS TO THE, TO, TO WHERE THE WALL WILL BE.
JONATHAN, I'M GOING TO STOP YOUR CHAIR SO I CAN OH, OKAY.
SO THIS IS A VIEW, UH, THIS WAS TAKEN IN FEBRUARY OF 2022 BY, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY WENT TO VISIT THE COLLAPSED WALL.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH, UH, WEST ON THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE CORNER.
UM, OVER HERE IS THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE PROPOSED WALL.
UH, IF I ZOOM IN, SO WE'RE PROBABLY AT ABOUT FIVE FEET HERE, WHICH HAD MADE IT STILL BE BELOW WINDOW LEVEL.
THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SECOND WALL NOW IS PUSHED BACK.
SO IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY WHERE YOU SEE THE LOW WALL THERE, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST WALL.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S GONNA BE WINDOW, IT'S GONNA BE BELOW, BELOW WINDOW LEVEL.
I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT BELOW, BELOW WINDOW WITH THE ELEVATION THERE WOULD BE, YEAH.
BUT BE IN LINE WITH THOSE TREES THAT YOU SEE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, IS THE NEIGHBOR, IS THE NEIGHBOR HERE TONIGHT BY ANY CHANCE OR ON ZOOM? NO.
SO LET'S TRY, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE THEN.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE OR ON ZOOM THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
UH, MY NAME IS ROCK ALESSANDRO.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHERE'S THE SEWER CONNECTION RELATIVE TO THE WALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, THEY ARE CONNECTING BEHIND THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S A SEWER BACK.
I THINK HE'S HERE FOR, UH, I THINK HE'S TALKING TO THE WRONG CASE.
I THINK IF THIS IS A CASE FOR JUST THE CONSTRUCTION OF RETAINING WALL.
ARE YOU HERE FOR, ARE YOU HERE FOR THE ONE ST.
MARY'S PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE YES, YES.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW NO WOOD ROAD GOT NEXT TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO CLOSE
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THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WHEN? UH, WE WOULD DO JANUARY 11TH TILL JANUARY 11TH.CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SOMO SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? MONA, ARE YOU? I MARK.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST GONNA INDICATE TO THE APPLICANT AND A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL THAT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED, UH, UP TO AND INCLUDING JANUARY 11TH WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD.
WE WOULD FORWARD ANYTHING WE RECEIVE TO YOU.
AND THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THIS ON FOR CONSIDERATION FOR A DECISION AT ITS NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 18TH.
OUR NEXT CASE IS PB 22 DASH 22 SAUNDERS AT ONE ST.
P BOX PO WHITE PLAINS NEW YORK.
IT'S FOR A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE LOT CONTAINING AN EXISTING ONE FAMILY HOUSE INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, HOME ON THE NEWLY CREATED LOT.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY, UH, ON THAT? YES.
UM, SO BEFORE, UM, PROCEEDING WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WE HOST AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS LEGAL ISSUES POTENTIALLY WITH THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, SOME MOTION, DISCUSS SOME LEGAL ISSUES.
SECOND TOM? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN THE BACK ROOM FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR A FEW MOMENTS, SO JUST HANG WITH US.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH MOLLY? CAN YOU BRING ME IN? YEAH, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL MAKE A PHONE CALL.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO PUBLIC.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO PUBLIC HEARING NOW, UH, BEFORE WE DO, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS ABOUT A, A LEGAL MATTER REGARDING SEEKER, AND, UH, WE'VE NOW RESOLVED THAT AND, UH, NO VOTES WERE TAKEN DURING THE, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO LET'S GO ON TO WHERE WE WERE, WHICH WAS FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO, SHOULD WE DO SECRET BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? YES.
SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT A TYPE ONE, UH, THIS WOULD BE AN UNLISTED ACTION.
UNLISTED ACTION ON THE SE EXCUSE ME.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER CICA, PLEASE.
CAN I ALSO HAVE A MOTION VOTE? YOU NEED TO VOTE.
DID THAT AGAIN GO TOO FAST TONIGHT? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, GIVE THIS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
SHE WOULD ONLY GET TO VOTE ONCE
UM, NOW WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK NICK SHOULD PRESENT THE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT SHOULD PRESENT THE, THE THING TO THE PUBLIC, THE, THE PROJECT TO THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS.
NICK, CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT? IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO HEAR YOU.
CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
IS THAT BETTER? NICK? GIVE YOUR NAME AND, AND YOUR POSITION.
UH, MY NAME IS NICOLA SHARIA WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING.
I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER SLASH APPLICANT AT ONE ST.
UH, PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN NOW.
I'LL GET INTO, UH, YES, PLEASE DO SO.
SO THE PROJECT, UM, EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND.
UH, SO THE PROJECT IS A SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE, UH, COMPLIANT LOT IN THE R 15 DISTRICT.
UM, THE, IT'S A SUBDIVISION OF
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ONE LOT TWO, UH, REST SUB SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.UM, THE SUBDIVISION IS ZONING COMPLIANT.
UM, WE ARE NOT DISTURBING ANY STEEP SLOPES AND THERE ARE NO WETLANDS WITHIN PROXIMITY OF THE SITE.
UM, WE DISCUSSED A FEW THINGS WITH, UM, THE PLANNING CONSERVATION OFFICE, AND I BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO SEE, UH, AND AS WELL THE PLAN.
WE'RE WANTING TO SEE SOME PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, THERE ARE PICTURES OF THE HOUSES SURROUNDING THE LOT ON SALEM ROAD AND ON ST.
I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT SO YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO YOU GUYS CAN GET AN IDEA OF THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MOST OF THE LOTS, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SIMILAR CHARACTERISTIC TO WHAT WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING AT ONE ST.
SO LET ME KNOW IF I NEED TO PAUSE ON ANYTHING.
SO JUST AS YOU'RE PANNING THROUGH, I SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE A STRAIGHT PULL IN DRIVEWAY AND OTHERS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE.
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, I CAN SEE IT.
I, I WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE BOARD HAS SEEN, UH, ALL THE, UH, PAGES FROM OUR PLANS, INCLUDING THE, UH, SLOPE ANALYSIS IN THE, UH, STORM WATER.
PLEASE JUST GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND ANYONE WHO WASN'T ABLE TO WATCH LAST MEETING.
UH, SO ON THIS PAGE WE HAVE OUR STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS AND THE, UH, TREE REMOVAL.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE THREE TREES ON THE LOT THAT WE ARE REQUESTING TO BE REMOVED, UH, DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, OVER THE, UH, HOLIDAYS, ACTUALLY ON THE 22ND, WE HAD A TREE PRESERVATION SPECIALIST VISIT THE SITE.
AND IT WAS NOTED THAT THIS TREE IN PARTICULAR, UM, IS SUFFERING SOME DECAY AND IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT WE REMOVED IT.
IT WAS ALREADY, UH, MARKED FOR REMOVAL, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET US KNOW THAT THIS TREE IS IN FACT DAMAGED AND SHOULD BE REMOVED AS WELL AS THIS 10 INCH ASH THAT'S, UH, CLOSER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, IS DEAD OR DYING.
SO, UH, WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REMOVED, BUT IT'S, UH, IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT THIS 12 INCH TREE SHOULD BE REMOVED AS WELL.
UH, THE OTHER TWO TREES, UH, PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL ARE HEALTHY, BUT, UM, WE HAVE, WE ARE WORKING ON A TREE REMOVAL SLASH REPLACEMENT PLAN.
UH, WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SUBMIT IT IS YET, DUE TO CONSTRAINTS OF THE HOLIDAY ISN'T JUST TIMING.
UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT READY TO GO AT OUR NEXT HEARING.
WE MOVE ON TO THE, UH, SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UH, SO WE SEE THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THE, UH, SUBDIVIDED LOT WAS JUST TO MAXIMIZE THE COVERAGE, UM, ON THE LOT ITSELF AND MAXIMIZE THE F A R.
UM, THE LOT IS THIS HOUSE WILL NOT BE BUILT AS IS.
UH, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE ON THE LOT.
AS, AS I SAID BEFORE, EVERYTHING ON THIS SUBDIVISION PLAN IS ZONING COMPLIANT AND, UH, REQUIRING NO VARIANCES OR ANYTHING, UH, IN, IN ORDER FROM THE, UH, FOR THE PLAN TO, UH, BE APPROVED FOR THE SUBDIVISION LOT TO BE APPROVED.
UM, IN THE NEXT PAGE WE HAVE THE STORMWATER PLAN, UTILITY PLAN.
UH, WE ARE DESIGNED FOR THE 50 YEAR STORM.
AGAIN, WE ARE CAPTURING EVERYTHING THAT IS SHOWN HERE.
ALL IMPERVIOUS AREAS ON THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION SUBDIVIDED LOT, LOT IS PROPOSED TO BE CAPTURED, UH, WITHIN THESE, UH, CALTECH UNITS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE REAR YARD AND IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, WATER AND, UH, SEWER, UH, CONNECTIONS.
OF COURSE WE WILL HAVE TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'LL SERVE LETTERS FROM THE TOWN, BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE.
AND ON THE LAST PAGE IS JUST THE DETAILS OF THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A, A QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE.
SHE MAY COME UP ANYWAY LATER, BUT, UH, WHERE ARE YOU CONNECTING THE, UH, SEWERS TO? I'M SORRY.
UH, WHERE ARE YOU CONNECTING THE SEWER, THE, THE SEWER LINE TO, UH, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
I THINK SOMEBODY PUBLIC MAY, THERE'S AN EXISTING SEWER LINE RUNNING ON SALEM ROAD,
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UH, SHOWN HERE ON THE, UH, SURVEY.I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT.
AND JUST NOTE ON THIS DRAWING THAT YOU IDENTIFY SOME TREE PROTECTION MEASURES AND A LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE ON THE TOP HAND SIDE OF, UH, YES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES YOU'D BE PRESERVING BETWEEN THE NEWLY PROPOSED LOT AND THE LOT TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NORTH, IS THAT, OH, YES.
SO THIS IS THE, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS HERE AND THIS IS THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE.
UM, WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS POSSIBLY MOVE THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, UH, FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THERE IS NO ACCESS TO ANY OF THESE TREES ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE, UH, OUR SOIL, OUR EROSION AND SOIL, UM, EROSION CONTROL MEASURES UP AWAY FROM THESE EXISTING TREES JUST TO LIMIT THE, UH, THE LIMIT OF DETER, I'M SORRY, LIMIT THE DISTURBANCE IN THESE AREAS THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE TREES.
WE CAN, WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE FRONT HERE WITH THE SETBACKS SO WE CAN PULL EVERYTHING UP, UH, JUST SO WE'RE OUT OF, UH, OUT OF ANY, UM, IMPACTING ANY EXISTING TREES.
AND THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED WITH OUR FORESTRY OFFICER IN THE FIELD AS WELL, JUST TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S APPROPRIATE PROTECTIONS, UM, IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN'S TREE ORDINANCE.
UM, JUST QUICKLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE 10 INCH ASH, YES.
THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SHOWN IN YOUR DRIVEWAY LOCATION, BUT WE KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT MAY BE SUBJECT TO SLIGHT MODIFICATION.
HOWEVER, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THAT TREE'S IN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IF YOU CONTACT ME ABOUT IT, WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HAZARDOUS TREE IN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY, THE TOWN COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE THAT DOWN AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THAT ABSOLUTE IN IN THE NEAR TERM.
THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, WAS JUST BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION LAST WEEK, SO WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE, BUT THIS, UH, JUST CAME UP.
SO YEAH, SO JUST, JUST CONTACT OUR OFFICE MAYBE TOMORROW OR FRIDAY AND WE CAN NO PROBLEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE BOARD? NONE.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO SPEAK, COME TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
I FIND IT CURIOUS THAT THE TOWN ENG THAT THE ENGINEER HERE DIDN'T SHOW A PICTURE OF MY PROPERTY.
UM, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE GEOGRAPHY ON SALEM ROAD AND ST.
MARY'S PLACE, UM, WELL, I THINK IT'S BETTER IF I JUST READ WHAT I PREPARED.
SO I'M NOT TRYING, UH, HERE TO TRY TO IMPEDE OR OBSTRUCT THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS LOT.
SHE'S BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO ME AND MY FAMILY FOR OVER A DOZEN YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED NEXT DOOR.
I AM HERE, HOWEVER, TO CON EXPRESS CONCERN OVER THIS PROPOSAL, THE SUBDIVISION AND THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS LOT.
AND I WONDER HOW OR IF IT MAY AFFECT MY OWN PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF WATER FLOW AND DRAINAGE, WHICH IS ESPECIALLY PROBLEMATIC IN OUR SECTION OF MAYFAIR ACRES.
UM, AS I SAID, I LIVE AT THREE ST.
THE LOT WHERE MY PROPERTY, UH, IS SITUATED ON ON WAS FORMALLY A A LOT OF SIMILAR SIZE AND TOPOGRAPHY, UM, AS THE, THE LOT ON ONE ST.
MARY'S PLACE, WHICH WAS SUBDIVIDED THRICE IN THE MID 1950S, UM, AND DEVELOPED ONE OF THEM BEING MY HOUSE.
I CAN REFER TO OUR PROPERTIES ON THE SUBDIVIDED LOTS BY THEIR TAX PARCEL NUMBERS.
I'M PARCEL SEVEN DASH ONE 30 DASH 12.
THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE ON THAT SUBDIVIDED LOT, WHICH SHARE THE, UH, WESTERN BORDER WITH THE ONE ST.
MARY'S PROPERTY ARE PARCEL SEVEN DASH ONE 30 DASH 28 DASH 10 AND 11.
UM, IN TERMS OF WATER FLOW AND DRAINAGE, I'VE CONFIRMED WITH MY NEIGHBORS IN FIVE OF THE SIX BORDERING PROPERTIES ON ONE ST.
MARY'S PLACE THAT THEY EITHER HAVE FRENCH DRAINED SUB PUMPS OR BOTH.
UM, I SUSPECT THAT THE FIFTH OF THE SIXTH NEIGHBOR DOES AS WELL.
I JUST DON'T HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO KNOCK ON HIS DOOR.
SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THE ENGINEER OR THE ENGINEERS CONSIDERED THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND THEIR TOPOGRAPHY IN THEIR CALCULATIONS AND DESIGNS.
UM, GIVEN THAT MY PROPERTY WASN'T SHOWN IN THE, UH,
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NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES MAP, I'M, I'M SUSPICIOUS THAT YOU DIDN'T I, IN TERMS OF THE TREE REMOVALS, IT'S GIVEN THAT THE REMOVAL OF THREE LARGE MATURE TREES WILL INCREASE WHAT I'LL CALL THE SOIL LOAD OF WATER.AND BY HOW MUCH, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE CAN ACTUALLY SAY, UM, FURTHER, ACCORDING TO THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD, YOU ARE ESTIMATING THAT ABOUT 33% OF THE LAND AREA ON LOT TWO WILL BE FILLED WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
UM, I AM ALSO NOT SURE HOW THAT WILL DISPLACE OR DIRECT THE FLOW OF WATER.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE GRADING CHANGES TO THE LAND.
I KNOW THAT ACCORDING TO THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, IT WAS CALCULATED THAT THE LAND AND LOT TWO IS FLAT.
UM, HOWEVER, IF WE WERE TO SCROLL BACK TO THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP THAT THE ENGINEER SHOWED THE FRONT CORNER PROPERTY ON LOT ONE IN THAT AREA OF YELLOW AND GREEN ON THE WESTERN SIDE, JUST ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY, WHICH, UH, RUNS UP TO PARCELS DASH 11 AND 10, THAT'S MY PROPERTY, UM, ON THE DOWNHILL.
SO IN LOOKING AT THAT MAP RIGHT ON THE DIVIDING LINE OF WHERE LOT ONE AND LOT TWO ARE, THAT IS THE BACK CORNER OF MY PROPERTY, WHICH IN TERMS OF, UM, ELEMENTARY, UH, MEASUREMENT ON MY CELL PHONE WITH THE ALL TRAILS MAP IS 20 FEET LOWER THAN THE BACK CORNER, UH, NORTHWEST PROPERTY OF LOT ONE.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE GRADING CHANGES, PROPOSED RETAINING WALLS OR ANYTHING OF THAT.
AND FURTHER, WHILE THE PROPOSED CALTECH CHAMBERS WILL DO A JOB COLLECTING STORM WATER, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT STORM WATER ONCE IT'S COLLECTED? UM, WHERE DOES IT GO? AT WHAT RATE? I AM NOT AN ENGINEER.
I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
UM, BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I KNOW ABOUT WATER AND I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME LIVING IN ON ST.
UH, FIRST IT FLOWS WITH GRAVITY, UM, USUALLY DOWNHILL.
IT FOLLOWS A PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
IT CAN ALMOST ALWAYS FIND A WAY IN DESPITE THE MOST TIRESOME OF EFFORTS.
AND OVER TIME IT CAN BE VERY DESTRUCTIVE.
I'M THE ACTUAL ONLY OFFICIAL OTHER POSTAL ADDRESS ON ST.
MARY'S PLACE IN GREENBURG AND THE 1 0 6 0 3 ZIP CODE.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S LOT BORDERS MY HOUSE TO THE EAST.
I'M BORDERED ON THE WEST BY NORWOOD ROAD.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S HOUSE IS BORDERED ON THE EAST BY SALEM ROAD WHERE THERE'S A POTENTIAL CURB CUT, WHICH IS FLAT.
THE PROPO, AS I'VE SAID, THE PROPOSED SUBDIVIDED LOT IS UPHILL FROM MY HOUSE, CATTY-CORNERED TO MY BACK PROPERTY.
UM, RUNNING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AT ONE ST.
AND MY PROPERTY IS WHAT I TYPICALLY CALL A CULVERT, WHICH DIRECT WATER DOWN A NEARLY 15% INCLINE OF ST.
MARY'S PLACE FROM THE TOP OF SALEM ROAD ON, UH, IN FRONT OF THE ONE ST.
MARY'S PROPERTY UNDER HER DRIVEWAY.
UNDER THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PARCELS THAT HAVE NO WOOD ROAD ADDRESSES THAT ARE PROPERTY IS DASH 11 AND DASH 10 UNDER MY DRIVEWAY AT THREE ST.
MARY'S PLACE DOWN A CULVERT AND ENTERS INTO A STORM DRAIN ON, ON THE CORNER OF ST.
UH, THESE CULVERTS MAY BE REFERRED TO AS SWELL IN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE ENGINEER.
UM, IF ANYBODY ON THIS PLANNING BOARD IS A LITTLE BIT UNFAMILIAR WITH THE GEOGRAPHY OF SALEM ROAD, ST.
MARY'S PLACE AND NORWOOD ROAD, IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE A CIRCLE AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THIS TIME OF YEAR, YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE PUDDLES OF WATER THAT MAY RESEMBLE LAKES OR POSSIBLY SKATING PONDS DEPENDING ON THE TEMPERATURE.
JUST TODAY, AFTER THE STORM YESTERDAY, I WAS ABLE TO SEE, UM, STANDING WATER IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AT ONE ST.
MARY'S EXACTLY WHERE THE PROPOSED TREE REMOVAL IS.
THE ROCKS THAT ARE LABELED, UM, ON THE ENGINEER'S DIAGRAM AS BEING A PROPOSED TREE FOR REMOVAL WITH ROCKS IN THE FRONT IS ACTUALLY ELEVATED FROM THE LAND IN THE BACK OF ST.
FOR WHAT REASON? I'M NOT SURE.
AND VERY NEAR IN THE VICINITY OF THAT TREE WAS A LARGE PUDDLE OF STANDING WATER.
I, UM, I HAVE PICTURES THAT I CAN PROVIDE TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I WILL EMAIL THEM TO YOU AFTER THIS MEETING TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO, I'M SORRY, TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE PROMOTER
UH, SO JUST, I, I DID SOME WALKING ON NORWOOD ROAD TODAY.
UM, JUST WHY I'M REFERRING TO NORWOOD ROAD IS BECAUSE THE WAY OUR PROPERTIES ARE SITUATED IS WE HAVE SALEM ROAD ON THE EAST.
MARY'S PLACE MAKES A SANDWICH.
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AND WE ARE DOWNHILL.THE PROPERTY LINE THAT RUNS ON THE CURRENT NORTHERN PROPERTY HAS TWO P V C PIPES THAT RUN OUT PROBABLY FROM PINCH BENCH DRAINS.
I WAS ABLE TO FILL WATER IN A 16.9 OUNCE WATER BOTTLE TODAY IN NINE SECONDS AT TWO 30 THIS AFTERNOON.
WHERE WERE THOSE COMING OUT? YOU SAID IT'S RUNNING ON, ON, UH, THE STREET.
THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE NOT ON THE STREET.
THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY LINES.
UM, ON NORWOOD, YOU SAID, RIGHT ON THE NORWOOD SIDE, ON THE WOOD SIDE.
UM, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH WATER AND I'M VERY CONCERNED AT HOW THIS SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO AFFECT AND DIRECT THAT WATER.
AS A PROPERTY OWNER, I HAVE UNDERTAKEN SOME SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE WORK ON MY PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN AT SUBSTANTIAL COST AND TIME AND EFFORT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WATER RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE FRENCH DRAINS IN OUR HOUSE.
MY HOUSE HAS BEEN DRY AND I WANT IT TO STAY THAT WAY.
SO I'LL, I'LL SUMMARIZE BY SAYING YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED NOT TO FIND A PROPERTY IN MAYFAIR ACRES WHERE HOMEOWNERS EITHER HAVE, DON'T HAVE, EITHER HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES OR PURSUE DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE REMEDIES OR BOTH.
UM, AS I'VE SAID, WE'VE TAKEN TWO DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
THE SECOND BEING 2017, WE DON'T HAVE WATER.
I WILL SUBMIT PHOTO AND VIDEO EVIDENCE OF THE POINTS THAT I'VE RAISED DURING THIS, UM, HEARING, AND I'D BE GLAD TO TALK TO THE ENGINEER IN ORDER TO TRY TO FIND SUITABLE REMEDY FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS PROPOSAL.
'CAUSE AS I SAID, IT'S NOT MY JOB TO TRY TO IMPAIR IT.
I FEEL THAT IT'S HER RIGHT AS A PROPERTY OWNER TO TRY TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN HER BEST INTERESTS.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT ANY MORE HEADACHES WITH WATER ON MY PROPERTY IF I CAN HELP THAT.
IS THERE ANY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? I WOULD.
I, THERE'S A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ZOOM, IF THAT'S OKAY.
I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROJECT 87 SALEM ROAD.
UM, I'VE OWNED THE HOME FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER AS WELL HAD PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE HOME FOR, UH, WATER ISSUES WITH FRENCH DRAINS AND DRAINAGE AS WELL.
THE OTHER IS, UH, OR I GUESS THERE'S TWO OTHER THINGS, AND BEAR WITH ME HERE.
ONE IS THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY PUTTING UP A BRAND NEW HOME IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE LAST HOW OLD ALL THE HOMES ARE.
I BELIEVE MINE'S FROM THE, THE FIFTIES.
UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ONE THING, UM, TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THE OTHER IS, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, UH, A BUS STOP ON THE CORNER OF SALEM ROAD.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG CHILDREN IN HERE AND TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE PLANS OR WHERE THE, THE, UH, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS WOULD BE PARKED DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AS, LIKE I SAID, MY DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I DO HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD WHO WOULD BE WALKING TO THE BUS STOP.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF I'M NEW TO THIS.
SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT MEASURES ARE TAKEN FOR, FOR SAFETY, UH, FOR THE, UH, CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, THIS IS CHRISTINA GRUBY WITH 10 57 MILLWOOD ROAD.
UM, JUST WANTED TO ECHO A LOT OF THE TESTAMENTS OF MY NEIGHBOR GREEN, WHO SPOKE PREVIOUSLY.
UM, A LITTLE DISHEARTENED TO NOT SEE 10 57 PICTURED IN ANY OF THE IMAGES BEFORE.
AS MY PROPERTY BORDERS THE ENTIRE CORNER OF, UM, OF THE PROPOSED SUBUNIT.
WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY ALL THERE THAT IS A, UM, A SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT WE HAVE WITH 10 47 NORWOOD.
UM, WE MOVED IN ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND WHEN WE MOVED IN, WE LITERALLY SAID, WOW, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A LOT OF WATER ISSUES HERE.
WE HAVE TWO SUMP PUMPS IN OUR BASEMENT.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD WATER ISSUES.
WE HAVE A FRENCH DRAIN IN OUR ENTIRE STONE WALL THAT BORDERS WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA BE, HAS SEVERELY DAMAGED DUE TO WATER ISSUES OVER THE LAST YEAR.
UM, AGAIN, NOT, NOT SURE WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR OUR OWN SAKE, AS YOU KNOW, YOUNG, NEW HOMEOWNERS THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO A SITUATION THAT'S GONNA CAUSE EVEN MORE MONEY THAN THIS ISSUE ALREADY HAS.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS REALLY BEING THOROUGHLY THOUGHT THROUGH BEFORE MOVING THROUGH WITH THIS PROCESS.
BUT THANK YOU EVERYONE SO MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
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ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? YES, SIR.YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, EXCUSE ME.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE FIRST, UH, ON, ON THE PODIUM VENUE.
I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE THERE.
MY PROPERTY IS, ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW, I, I JUST CAME TO FI FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY HOUSE, WHICH IS, UH, 89 SALEM.
JUST BY HEARING ABOUT THE WATER ISSUE.
ACTUALLY, YES, THERE IS WATER ISSUE IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THAT LOCATION FOR 22 YEARS.
WHAT HAPPENED IS I BUILT A POOL RIGHT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACKYARD.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS I HAD A HARD TIME TO BUILD A POOL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GET A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, PERMIT AND ALL THIS KIND OF THING.
WHAT HAPPENED IS, BEFORE I BUILD THE POOL, I USED TO HAVE WATER ACTUALLY IN THE BASEMENT.
SO WHAT I DID IS WHEN I BUILD THE POOL, WHAT I DID IS I END UP TAKING ALL THE WATER FROM THE ROOF THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE GUTTERS AND ALL THE WATER IN MY BACKYARD.
I HAD TO DIVERGE ALL THE WATER IN MY BACKYARD HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN A BIG AQUIFER, WHICH IS LIKE A BIG TANKS.
SO, BECAUSE I HAD NO CLUE, YOU KNOW, I SAID, LET ME HAVE A POOL THAT I DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE THAT COMPLICATED BECAUSE MY, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK TO THE PROPERTY IN THAT, UH, 89 SALEM ROAD IS RIGHT ACROSS RIGHT ON THE SIDE, THAT IS A RIVER RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE GROUND THAT GOES BETWEEN ME, BETWEEN MY HOUSE, WHICH IS 89 SALE AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
SO IF YOU GO AHEAD, I SAY NEXT DOOR, ON WHICH SIDE? 87 NEXT DOOR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE, IT'S BASICALLY LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, SO BE 87? YES.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN I END UP CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO WETLAND THERE, BUT EVERY TIME WE DIG, WE'LL ALWAYS GET WATER.
AS SOON AS YOU GO ABOUT TWO FEET, THERE IS WATER RIGHT UNDER THE GROUND.
SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
SO I'VE BEEN THERE 22 YEARS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST, I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL THAT HOUSE.
MAYBE THEY COULDN'T ABLE TO SELL THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY SO THAT COULD MAKE MONEY FROM THE PROPERTY AND SEND THE HOUSE FOR LESS AMOUNT OF MONEY, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE HOUSE, THAT HOUSE NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.
SO PROBABLY THEY'RE TRYING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, TO SELL IT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAY.
BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK TO THIS HOUSE, THE, THE, THE BIG BRICK HOUSE HAS NO BACKYARD.
SO YOU BASICALLY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, I BOUGHT IT.
THAT WAS THE BACKYARD FOR THE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL.
SO BASICALLY THAT IF YOU GO AHEAD AND BUILD ON THAT LOCATION, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HOUSE WITH NO BACKYARD.
AND I'M SURE BARELY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BACKYARD ON THE OTHER HOUSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, YOU MAKE THE DECISION, BUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT I KNOW THAT IS A WATER ISSUE BECAUSE I HAD A HARD TIME WHEN I BUILT A POOL.
WE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE ON ZOOM NOW.
SOMEBODY ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO, HELLO.
SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE OTHER STATEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED INTO 1 0 5 7 EMPLOYEE.
EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? YES, CHRISTINA.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT GOING OFF OF ONE OF MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I LOOK OUT THE BACKSIDE OF MY HOUSE, SO NOT LOOKING TOWARDS NORWOOD, BUT LOOKING UP TOWARDS SALEM, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE BACKYARD OF ONE ST.
SO THE THOUGHT FOR US, YOU KNOW, JUST ALONE OF, HEY, WE HAD THIS IMPEDED, YOU KNOW, THIS BEAUTIFUL VIEW.
NOW THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER HOUSE THERE.
HOW MANY YEARS IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR THEM TO CONSTRUCT IT AS WE KNOW WE'RE GOING INTO A RECESSION.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, JUST WANTED TO ECHO THAT CONCERN AS WELL AS TO HOW THAT IS GONNA IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY VALUE AS THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JOHN.
MR. JOHNSON, UH, YOU'VE BEEN INTERRUPTED TWICE, SO PLEASE SPEAK.
I LIVE DOWN THE STREET AT 1 21 SALEM ROAD.
I'VE LIVED HERE ABOUT 13 YEARS NOW.
UH, I AM A CERTIFIED ARBORIST BY TRADE AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF HAVING THOSE TREES CUT DOWN.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND I'M SURE AARON CAN ATTEST TO THAT, UH, UM,
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I CAN'T AGREE MORE WITH EVERYTHING THAT KARE HAS STATED.UH, I THINK OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE HERE, ASIDE FROM 10 57 AND 10 47, I THINK KAREEN IS GONNA RECEIVE THE BRUNT OF THE WATER AND THE PROBLEMS FOR THIS SITE BEING DEVELOPED.
AND, UH, I DO ULTIMATELY THINK MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF THE PLANNING BOARD WERE TO TAKE A FIELD TRIP DURING A RAINSTORM, COME OUT AND VISIT THE SITE, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, AND LOOK AT THE CHARACTERISTICS AND LOOK AT THE LAY OF THE LAND.
MARY'S IS A VERY STEEP ROADWAY AND ALL THE WATER POURS DOWN AND THE D O T UH, CONTROLS NO WOOD ROAD AND THAT DOWN THERE, THAT IS A TREACHEROUS NIGHTMARE OF A MESS.
THEY FAILED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
MARK ROSA HAS CALLED UP AND COMPLAINED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES.
IT'S BASICALLY AN ICE SKATING RINK.
UH, I WILL ALSO ATTEST TO DANNY BAIN'S STATEMENTS.
THE BUS STOP IN RIGHT THERE, IT IS ON THE CORNER OF SALEM ROAD AND ST.
MARY'S PLACE AT THE TOP OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
UH, THERE IS A LOT OF KIDS GATHERING ON AND OFF THE BUS THERE SEVERAL TIMES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
THE THIRD THING TO BACK UP TONY BCIS STATEMENT IS THERE IS SOME SORT OF UNDERGROUND AQUAPHOR OR WATERWAY THAT IS FROM WHAT I BELIEVE UNDERNEATH SALEM ROAD OR A ALONG 89 1 0 1, 1 15, 1 21, UH, THAT RUNS DOWN.
I GET A LOT OF THAT WATER RUNOFF INTO A SEWER IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE BY TAKING OUT THE CULVERT ON SALEM ROAD AND PUTTING IN THESE GRANITE BARRIERS, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY GONNA HAPPEN ON ST.
MARY'S PLACE, UH, WILL PLAY A LARGE ROLE IN HOW THE RUNOFF IS HANDLED.
UH, ALREADY I CAN TELL YOU THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE, 77 87 89 1 0 1, ALL HAVE TIE-INS THAT THE TOWN TIED INTO THE DRAIN THAT WAS BURIED UNDER THERE, THAT POURS INTO THE SEWER IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
SO I AGREE MORE WITH THE PROBLEM FROM THIS, ASIDE FROM AESTHETICALLY FOR 10 57.
AND I HEARD HER STATEMENT IS GONNA BE THE WATER RUNOFF AND HOW IT'S HANDLED.
AND I, I, I THINK IF YOU GUYS DON'T HANDLE THAT PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PEOPLE IN UPROAR, UH, WITH THE LOSS OF THE TREES.
UH, THE LACK OF THE WATER HANDLING.
'CAUSE THERE IS A ROADWAY THAT I'M SEEING HERE THAT GOES UP BETWEEN THREE ST.
THERE'S A, A ROAD, A SHARED ROADWAY THAT'S BACK THERE THAT GOES INTO THE BACKYARD.
TECHNICALLY, IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD PUT THE CURB CUT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND NOT CUT INTO SALEM ROAD.
BUT, UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THE GUY WAS ASKING ABOUT WHERE THE SEWER'S GONNA RUN BECAUSE IT IS ALMOST AN UPGRADE TO SALEM FROM THAT AREA.
YOU ALMOST THINK IT'S GOTTA GO BACKWARDS.
SO I, I PROPOSE THAT YOU GUYS MAYBE TAKE A FIELD TRIP IN A RAINSTORM, AND I'M SORRY TO EVEN SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GET A UNDERSTANDING AS LONG AS YOU PAY OUR MEDICAL BILLS, MR. JOHNSON, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
NO, I UNDER WE UNDERSTAND, I GET THE POINT.
WE'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES NOW.
THERE'S A BIG CONCERN ABOUT DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA AND WATER IN THAT AREA.
SO I, I THINK OKAY, THE, THE MESSAGE IS LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THAT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SPEAK AT THIS POINT? OKAY, THANKS.
THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.
I, I HEARD FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS TONIGHT.
UM, CLEARLY DRAINAGE IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT, AND RUNOFF, RUNOFF FROM THE DRIVEWAY IS AS PART OF THE DRAINAGE IS IS PART OF THAT.
AND EXPLAINING THAT, EXPLAINING IF THERE ARE ANY GRADING CHANGES ON THE PART OF THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
AND IF THAT FALLS ANY RETAINING WALLS, UM, WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH CULT TECHS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THERE, IS THERE A CULT DECK OR ANYTHING AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY? WHERE ARE THE CULT TECHS? AND FINALLY, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS UNDERGROUND WATERCOURSE? IF ANYTHING, THOSE ARE THE FIVE THAT I HAD, AND I'D LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS THOSE NOW, PLEASE.
UM, OKAY, I, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
UH, SO WE, UM, I JUST START WITH THIS.
WE, WE DID TESTING EARLIER IN THE YEAR FOR THE, UH, DEEP POLE ATION TEST TO DETERMINE IF USING CALEX WERE, UM, WAS, WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO USE CALEX, UM, AND WE GOT DOWN ABOUT EIGHT FEET WITH NO GROUNDWATER, UH, NO LEDGE ROCK.
SO THERE'S NO, UM, RESTRICTING LAYER THERE TO, TO NOT, NOT ALLOW US TO USE INFILTRATION UNITS SUCH AS THESE AXS.
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I'VE, WHAT I'M, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING UNDER THE DRIVEWAY, BUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.UM, THERE IS SOME GRADING IN ORDER TO, UH, UH, AROUND THE CALTECH AREA HERE AND IN THE BACKYARD, UM, HERE, UH, TO JUST TO KEEP THE UNITS, UM, IN LIKE A LEVEL AREA.
UH, THE TESTING THAT WE HAD, UH, SHOWED PRETTY GOOD PERK RESULTS FROM, UM, FROM THE SOIL.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAD GOOD DEPTH.
SO INFILTRATION IS DES IMPOSSIBLE ON THE LOT.
UM, CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THE GRADING FOR A SECOND, SIR? SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
THE, THE GRADING THAT YOU'RE DOING ISN'T INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPERTY RELATIVE TO, UH, THAT NEIGHBOR AT THREE ST.
MARY'S, IT'S REDUCING IT A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE YOU'RE FLATTENING IT.
HERE IN THE FRONT YARD, WE'RE TAKING THESE CONTOURS AND JUST RUN THEM ACROSS TO WHERE THE, UH, THE CURB IS IN THE BACKYARD AREA OUT.
BUT THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGES PROPOSED, UH, IN THE REAR YARD OR IN THE FRONT YARD.
UH, I'M SORRY, I YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
I, I DIDN'T, THERE WAS RETAIN, THERE ARE NO RETAINING WALLS BEING BUILT, CORRECT? OH, THERE ARE NO RETAINING WALLS PROPOSED? NO.
AND THE UNDERGROUND WATER COURSE, I GUESS YOU IDENTIFIED BY, BY DOING PERK TESTS AND YOU COULDN'T FIND ANY WATER DOWN TO EIGHT FEET.
CORRECT? WE DID A PER, WE DID PERCOLATION OF DEEP HOLE TESTS HERE AND IN THE FRONT HERE AT, UH, AT THESE TWO LOCATIONS.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE GOT DOWN EIGHT FEET, NO PROBLEM.
UH, THERE WASN'T GROUNDWATER WHEN WE WERE THERE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAD PRETTY DECENT PERCOLATION ROOTS.
IN FACT, THE SOIL IS, UH, SILTY LOAN, BUT WE HAD A A A PER CRATE THAT IS TWO INCHES PER HOUR.
SO, UM, NOT THE GREATEST PER CRATE, BUT IT IS USABLE.
AND WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR DESIGN.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE ARE USING, UH, WE ARE, UH, EXCUSE ME, DESIGNING FOR THE 50 YEAR STORM.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, UH, WHERE THE WATER GOES.
UH, THESE UNITS ARE UNDERGROUND, SO ANY ROOF LEADERS OR ANY HARD SURFACES WHERE RUNOFF WOULD COME FROM IS BEING CAUGHT UP AND PIPED UNDERGROUND TO THESE UNITS WHERE, UH, OVER TIME THEY'RE EXFILTRATED BACK IN THE SOILS, MEANING THEY DRAIN OVER TIME INTO THESE SOILS.
AND WE WE'RE USING A VERY CONSERVATIVE PERCOLATION RATE.
I MEAN, ONE INCH PER HOUR MEANS THAT THAT WATER IS GONNA BE DRAINING VERY SLOWLY.
SO THERE IS ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THESE UNITS TO HANDLE, UH, ANYTHING UP TO A 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS, IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND THAT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TREES YOU'RE TAKING DOWN AS WELL AS THE, UH, AS WELL AS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, RIGHT? BOTH, UM, SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? YOU'RE TAKING, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR CALCULATION TO, AS TO CAPACITY, YOU'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN AS WELL AS THE INCREASED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, J JUST THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO ALL THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR SINCE THIS LOT IS NOT, IT'S UNDEVELOPED.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, SORRY, THE IMPOSED AND
THERE ARE TREE REPLACEMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RIGHT.
THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ANY TREES.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT ANY TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN, WE ARE PLANNING TO REPLACE THOSE IN KIND AND WE WILL HAVE A LANDSCAPE, UH, SLASH TRUE REPLACEMENT PLAN, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UH, MS. A AARON, YOU HAD A, I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO.
OKAY, AARON, THEN WALTER? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I, I DID WANNA MENTION THAT THERE WILL BE A, A MANDATORY LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT HAS TO BE DESIGNED IN CONFORMANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO 60 OF THE TOWN CODE.
SO THAT WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE BOARD IS IN A POSITION TO RENDER A DECISION ON THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD THE DRIVEWAY WATER DRAIN? THE DRIVEWAY APPEARS TO BE PITCHED IN TOWARDS THE PROPERTY.
SO THE HIGH POINT WILL BE AT THE ROAD AND THEN IT WILL PITCH DOWN INTO THE LOT.
BUT THERE'S A DRAIN IN THE CORNER WHERE THE CURSOR IS SO THAT WATER'S NOT GONNA OVER OR JUMP THE, THE CURB OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN FLOW DOWN TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORS.
THERE'S A, A DRAIN IN THE CORNER THAT TIES INTO THOSE UNITS IN THE REAR THERE THAT ARE PROPOSED UNDERGROUND.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT CAME UP WAS THE VIEW SHED.
UM, BUT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND THE LOTS PROPOSED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I JUST WANTED THE NEIGHBOR TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
THE TIME IS RUNNING VERY SHORT.
AND WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THIS IN A MINUTE, MR. JOHNSON, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING VERY SHORT.
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ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DIG, UH, BASEMENT OR IS IT GOING ON A SLAB? YOU'RE GOING IN AND OUT.I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.
ARE YOU GONNA DIG A BASEMENT OR ARE YOU GONNA PUT IT ON A SLAM? UM, SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS, THIS HOUSE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS, THESE, UH, DRIVEWAYS AND SUCH, THIS IS NOT A HOUSE THAT WILL BE BUILT AS IS.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO APPROVE FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW WHAT WAS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS COVERAGE AND WHAT CAN BE MAXIMIZED ON THE SITE.
THIS DRIVEWAY IS NOT FINALIZED.
LET, LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AND IT'S, UH, SOMETHING OF THAT WE WILL NEED TO DISCUSS ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, THIS IS JUST FOR A SUBDIVISION.
THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHO'S THE, THE, YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT PLANNING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
MY GUESS IS THAT THEY WILL SELL IT OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WILL DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
AND WHILE THEY HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S APPROVED, THE FINAL, THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION THING WILL BE DONE BY SOMEBODY OTHER THAN, UH, WITH THE HELP OF SOMEONE OTHER PROBABLY THAN THE ENGINEER THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO TONIGHT.
COULD VERY WELL BE SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO IT IS, IN A WAY, IT GIVES PARAMETERS, BUT IT ISN'T FINALIZED YET.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH.
WHAT I WANNA DO NOW IS, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING LATE AND WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE HEARINGS TO GO.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH.
UM, YOU INDICATED THAT, UH, YOU WENT DOWN SIX FEET AND, UH, YOU DID FIND WATER AND SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS SAID THEY WERE DOWN TWO FEET AND THEY FOUND, UH, WATER.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, UH, UH, EVALUATE WHAT IS IT? IS THERE WATER UNDERNEATH THERE BY, UH, A STREAM RUNNING UNDER THAT PROPERTY OR NOT? UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, THE TEST THAT WE DID, WE, WE WENT DOWN ACTUALLY EIGHT FEET IN THOSE TWO LOCATIONS.
UM, US NOT FINDING ANYTHING DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT SOMETHING OUT THERE.
WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT, UH, DOING ADDITIONAL TEST BITS, BUT AT THE TIME OF OF US DOING THESE TEST BITS IN THE FRONT AND THE REAR YARD, THERE WAS NO WATER WITHIN EIGHT FEET OF THE, UH, SURFACE.
PLUS THE TWO FEET WAS WHERE THE STREAM WAS, WHICH IS WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, UH, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING VERY QUICK, IT, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE PODIUM.
I CAN'T HAVE YOU SPEAKING ON THERE VERY QUICK, PLEASE.
THE, THE ENGINEER HAS STATED, UM, AT LEAST TWICE NOW IN A, IN A FAIRLY, UH, AUTHORITATIVE TONE THAT IT WAS EIGHT FEET BEFORE HE DETECTED WATER.
BUT I DEFINITELY SAW SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS IN THE APPLICATION OUT MARKED SIX AND A HALF FEET BELOW GROUND LEVEL.
OKAY, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
WHAT I'M GONNA DO AT THIS POINT IS I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE HEARING.
I'M NOT GONNA CLOSE IT TONIGHT.
UM, I THINK OUR BOARD HAS TO DISCUSS WHERE WE ARE, ARE WITH US, AND TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO IT'LL BE ADJOURNED TO THE NEXT MEET TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 18TH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.
NEXT CASE IS PV 22 DASH 25, UH, EX GOLF AT EIGHT 70 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
THIS IS A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A FULLY ENCLOSED RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, IT USED TO BE A WALGREENS ON CENTRAL AVENUE, ALMOST IN THE CORNER OF LEY ROAD.
AND, UH, WHAT, UH, THIS IS, IS AN ENCLOSED, UH, INDOOR GOLF FACILITY REPLACING THAT WITHIN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE, OF, UH, THE BUILDING AND WITHIN THE CURRENT BUILDING.
THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THE CURRENT BUILDING, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE RIGHT.
IF YOU EVER SAW ME DRIVE, WOULD NEVER STAY WITHIN THE BUILDING.
UH, ANYWAY, UM, I'D LIKE YOU, UH, THE APPLICANT TO JUST DESCRIBE IT.
PLEASE DESCRIBE IT PLEASE TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE'LL GO FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT'S I HAVE HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING.
UH, PETER AND JOAN GILMORE, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS AND ON ZOOM WE HAVE OUR, OUR ARCHITECT, UH, GLENN, WRONG, AS YOU MENTIONED.
UH, THIS IS, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, AN ENCLOSED RECREATIONAL FACILITY THAT CONSISTS OF A GOLF SIMULATION, UM, BUSINESS.
UH, THERE ARE NO NEW STRUCTURES BEING PROPOSED.
UH, THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT EIGHT 70 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, UH, WHERE THERE WAS FORMALLY A WALGREENS.
THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO MAKE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS, UH, TO THAT STRUCTURE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS THE WALGREENS.
THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR CHAIN IS PROPOSED.
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IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA AND THE APPLICANT REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THIS BOARD BECAUSE IT'S AN ENCLOSED RECREATIONAL FACILITY WITHIN THE CA, CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE IMPACT DISTRICT.UM, WE RESPONDED TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT.
THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THIS BOARD ASKED US TO SUBMIT A CLEANER VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN, WHICH WE, WHICH WE DID.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE ITEM ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UM, UH, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE, UH, DIEHARD GOLFERS, I SUPPOSE, WHO LIKE TO WAKE UP EARLY AND HIT SOME BALLS BEFORE WORK.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY START, UM, THEIR HOURS AT 7:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
UM, SO THE EVENING HOURS WOULDN'T CHANGE, BUT THIS WOULD JUST ALLOW SOME OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS TO POP IN BEFORE WORK AND HIT SOME BALLS.
UM, UH, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE, AND OF COURSE, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS PROJECT? NO.
MONA, SHE STILL THERE? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT? NO.
IN WHICH CASE, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TO THE 11TH, I BELIEVE YOU SAID.
AND WE'LL BE MAKING OUR DECISION AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 18TH.
THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AND THANK YOU FOR WAITING TONIGHT.
CAN WE HAVE A, THE MOTION PLEASE? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL JANUARY 11TH? SO MOVED.
I'LL OPPOSE DOESN'T GET BE BETTER THAN THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, MR. NOLL,
UH, THEY'RE HERE FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT AND FOR A QUICK SERVICE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
ACTUALLY, TWO, TWO RESTAURANTS.
UM, AS WELL AS A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
UH, AS WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THIS NOT IN PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'VE HEARD THIS SEVERAL TIMES AT WORK SESSION.
I KNOW THE TOWN BOARD HAD SOME COMMENTS.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE SIGNAGE MOSTLY, BUT THEY HAD SOME COMMENTS VERSUS OUR SITE PLAN.
WE UNDERSTAND, AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TOO.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, WILLIAM NULL, UH, I'M A PARTNER WITH THE FIRM OF IAN FADER.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS RABBI YELLO, UH, AND, AND MARK PETRO FROM, UH, J M C.
AND, UM, AS I KNOW YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER APPLICATION, HAVING SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS WITH US, UH, AND, AND MAKING A DETAILED RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH THE FULL SITE PLAN DETAILS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE YOU RECOGNIZING THE HOUR.
I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A COUPLE THINGS OKAY.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST BRIEF YOU BRIEFLY SAY WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
OKAY? SECOND, I'D LIKE YOU TO, AS BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE, GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT.
AND THE THIRD, I THINK SOMETHING'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT PARKING.
RIGHT? SO, IF YOU COULD, AND WE ALSO HAVE MR. CANNING HERE TO COMMENT ON.
JUST GO, WHOEVER'S FELL ON THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE STOP.
UM, IF, IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST GO DESCRIBE THE STUDY.
'CAUSE THERE ARE, PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DONE IN THAT STUDY AND HOW WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, ALL DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO I'D LIKE YOU TO GO THROUGH THAT STEP BY STEP, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN A CONDENSED VERSION.
BUT, SO THEY UNDERSTAND WE DIDN'T JUST, NOBODY JUST FLEW OVER IN A DRONE AND SAID, GEE, I SEE PARKING SPACES.
THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ACTUALLY, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DONE.
AND MR. CANNING IS HERE ALSO TO COMMENT ON THAT.
SO LET ME, LET ME, UM, ADDRESS A FEW DIFFERENT ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, JUST TO BRING IT UP TO DATE, UM, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD ADOPTED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER.
UH, IT WAS ACTING AS LEAD AGENCY.
IT, UH, REVIEWED NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, THE PARK ACTUALLY PARKING ANALYSIS.
IT WAS, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, THE LOSS OF ABOUT 46 PARKING SPACES THAT WE, THAT WE HAD, UM, THAT LED TO THE, UM, IN PART TO THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
THE KEY COMPONENT OF THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS THE FACT THAT RETAIL SPACE IS BEING
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PROPOSED.UH, SO THE 2,900 SQUARE FOOT, A 2,900 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT AND A 5,300 SQUARE FOOT QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF THIS 8,200 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SPACE.
AND THE CHANGE IN PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE RETAIL VERSUS THE RESTAURANT USES IS WHAT IS THE KEY REASON FOR THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION? THE ANALYSES THAT WERE DONE TO, TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, RELATED TO IT, MARK, MAYBE YOU CAN, UM, OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THIS? ROB? WE, WE, THE, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ANALYSES THAT WERE DONE.
A NUMBER OF THEM WERE DONE WHILE WE WERE BEFORE YOU.
AND THEN THE TOWN, THE TOWN ITSELF HAD THREE DIFFERENT, UM, DRONE PHOTOGRAPHS OF, OF TIMES, UH, AFTER IT WAS THREE, RIGHT? YES.
AND WE DID A COUNT OF THOSE TIMES THAT WERE SELECTED BY THE TOWN ITSELF.
AND THOSE THREE ANALYSES VERIFIED AND CONFIRMED WHAT WE WERE SAYING, WHICH WAS, THIS IS THE NORTHERN END OF THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE THE SATELLITE, UH, STORE WAS DRESS BARN.
THAT WAS THE 8,200 SQUARE FEET, UH, THAT WAS, HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER THREE YEARS.
THAT AREA WAS WHERE WE ANALYZED THE, UH, SUFFICIENCY OF PARKING.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
BEFORE WE GO ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW, LET ME JUST, OKAY.
IF I CAN JUST CONTINUE AND THEN GO AHEAD, ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD.
WE'RE HAPPY AS A GROUP TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
THE, UM, THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW WAS DONE TO IMPROVE, UH, SAFETY AT THE SITE AND, AND SIMPLIFY THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AT THE SITE.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ISSUES INCLUDING, UM, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FROM LEY ROAD AND OUT TO ARDSLEY ROAD AND THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AROUND, UM, THE, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS SATELLITE AREA PRIMARILY, WHICH IS THE MAIN SPINE GOING DOWN TO THE SUPERMARKET.
UM, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THERE LED TO THE LOSS OF THE 46 PARKING SPACES.
THAT COUPLED WITH THE 3000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR DINING AREA THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE 8,200 SQUARE FOOT AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE TWO RESTAURANT USES.
UM, SINCE WE, UM, SO OUR, THE APPLICATION DIDN'T CHANGE BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD OTHER THAN TO HAVE THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL DRONE PHOTOGRAPHS AND, AND ANALYSES THAT WERE PROMPTED BY IT.
THIS BOARD APPROVED A BATTERY BACKUP, UH, FACILITY ON THE SITE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND THAT LOCATION, UM, ENDED UP LEADING TO US REMOVING A CROSSWALK THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED ON THE EARLIER DRAFT OF THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU WHEN WE WERE ASKED BEFORE YOU.
NOW I'M GONNA ASK JAM C TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS DONE BY WAY OF PARKING AND TRAFFIC FLOW ANALYSES AS YOU ASKED, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE PARKING.
PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, I DID WORK ON THE PARKING ANALYSIS ON THIS AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO I'LL BE TALKING BRIEFLY ON THOSE.
AND I'LL, AGAIN, I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY BRIEF.
UM, SO WE INITIALLY PROVIDED A PARKING ANALYSIS OF FOUR DIFFERENT DAYS.
WE COUNTED, UM, VIA DRONE FLIGHTS, UM, UH, THE BLACK FRIDAY AS WELL AS THE SATURDAY AFTER.
AND THEN THAT SAME YEAR WE DID THE SECOND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY IN DECEMBER, WHICH ARE THE 20TH HIGHEST HOUR AS FAR AS PARKING TYPICALLY.
UM, SUBSEQUENTLY, UH, WHEN WE PREVENT PROVIDED THAT TO THE BOARD, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING FURTHER ANALYSES AND, UM, I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS, BUT ON THOSE DAYS, THOSE FOUR DAYS THAT WE COUNTED, WE DID DRONE FLIGHTS FROM 11:00 AM TO 8:30 PM SO IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE DAY BASICALLY DOING THE COUNTS.
UM, AND SUBSEQUENTLY TO OUR PROVIDING THOSE, WE DID SOME ADDITIONAL STUDIES.
UM, WE DID TRAFFIC COUNTS AT THE DRIVEWAYS TO FIND WHEN THE BUSIEST DAY OF THE WEEK WAS FOR THE CENTER.
AND WE DID SOME ADDITIONAL STUDIES, TWO ADDITIONAL DAYS, SAME COUNT HOURS, WHERE WE STUDIED AN ADDITIONAL FRIDAY AND A TUESDAY ANALYZING THE SAME PARAMETERS.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE PARKING IN DIFFERENT ZONES, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, THE RESTAURANT AREA, UH, MORE, UH, FURTHER AWAY, CLOSER TO SHOPRITE OR UP IN THE, UH, WESTERN PARKING AREA.
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THE ADDITIONAL PARKING DEMANDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGE OF USE.AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE ADDITIONAL, UH, DEMAND FROM THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE PARKING THAT'S IN THE NEARBY VICINITY.
UM, THAT'S A VERY ABBREVIATED VERSION.
I'M SORRY, UH, IF I TOOK A LITTLE TOO LONG.
UM, BUT, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, WE DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY AS WELL, WHICH AGAIN, BOTH THESE DOCUMENTS WERE REVIEWED IN A, UH, BY YOUR CONSULTANT AS WELL.
UH, JOHN CANNING, UH, WE DID A, A STUDY OF, UH, VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, UH, COUNTING ON A WEEKDAY AFTERNOON ON A SATURDAY MIDDAY.
UH, THE COUNTS WERE, UH, ADJUSTED, UH, TO REFLECT PRE PANDEMIC LEVELS AND WE INCORPORATED THE PROJECTED VOLUMES FOR THE RESTAURANT INTO THE FUTURE VOLUMES.
AND IT WAS DETERMINED NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE ANALYZING.
UM, SO THAT'S IT REALLY FOR THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC, UH, ASPECTS.
DID YOU WANT GO THROUGH THE SITE CHANGES OR YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH? UH, AND THEN ROB IS JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SITE ASPECTS.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROB AIELLO WITH J M C.
UH, MARK, WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE SIDE BY SIDE, UH, SLIDES.
SO I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE SLIDES THAT SHOW, UH, COMPARISONS IN EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
AND THESE WERE SLIDES THAT WE PREPARED AND PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, AS WE WERE BEFORE THEM OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
SO THE BUILDING SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE IS THE, UH, SPOT WHERE THE FORMER DRESS BARN SPACE WAS AND WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE TWO RESTAURANT SPACES IN THE MIDDLE WHERE INTERIOR SPACES.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TO MODIFY THE PARKING ALIGNMENT IN FRONT OF THE STORES TO PROVIDE AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, AND IN DOING SO, THERE ARE MANY EXISTING PARKING SPACES, PARTICULARLY PAGE SOUTH, UH, WHERE THE ANGLED SPACES ARE PROPOSED, UH, AND WHERE THE PARALLEL SPACES EXIST THAT ARE DIMENSIONALLY NON-COMPLIANT.
SO EVEN THOUGH IN EXISTING CONDITIONS THEY'RE COUNTED AS PARKING SPACES, THE AISLES ARE SUCH THAT THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND OUT OF IF THEY WERE INDEED BEING USED.
SO WHAT WE DID IN THAT AREA WAS WE INCREASED THE, OR ENHANCED THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AS WELL AS MADE THOSE PARKING SPACES COMPLIANT SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY USE THEM AS COMPARED TO EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE PARKING IN THAT L-SHAPED PATTERN.
I CAN, I CAN SEE IT THERE, THERE, THERE.
THE QUESTION I HA HAVE IS FROM A TRAFFIC FLOW POINT OF VIEW, HOW DO THEY GET TO THOSE SPACES THAT ARE ANGLED? THEY LOOK LIKE THAT FIRST SET OF ACTUALLY ANGLES.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO AROUND, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN COME IN.
YOU CAN EITHER COME IN FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON CENTRAL AVENUE AND MAKE A RIGHT INTO THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEY CAN GO AROUND TO THE FRONT ONE, GO AROUND TO THE FRONT OR YOU CAN COME DOWN, UH, NOT THAT ONE, BUT THE NEXT ONE YOU CAN COME DOWN THAT GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND MAKE THE LEFT END.
IS IT, IS THAT, IS THAT SHOW, I KNOW IT'S ANGLE PARKING, DOES IT ALSO SHOW THAT IT'S ONE WAY? IT DOES.
IT'S ONE, THERE ARE ARROWS AND WE WILL, AND WE WILL HAVE SIGNAGE.
IT WAS TWO, IT WAS TWO A AND NOW WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO BE ONE WAY.
ONE OF THE OTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, SORRY, IS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT CORNER OF THE LEFT IMAGE, THE DIAGONAL, UH, MARKINGS MM-HMM.
THE RIGHT IMAGE ELIMINATES THAT TRIANGULAR AREA, WHICH WAS A WAY, WAS NO MAN'S LAND, BASICALLY.
AND IT, IT REALLY, UM, THERE WAS NO BENEFIT TO IT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS WE COULD, WE COULD ALIGN THE SPACES GOT IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AREA? OH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I JUST WANT TO ENTER THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.
I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THE LOGIC THAT I USED TO JUSTIFY WHY COMING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.
IT IS TWO-WAY INSTEAD OF RESTRICTED TO LEFT-HAND TURN.
AND, UH, AND, AND WHERE, WHERE IN THE PARKING LOT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? TURN, YOUR HONOR, ON DRAWING ON AUDLEY ROAD, IT'S NOT TWO WAY WHAT YOU COULD COME OUT AND YOU COULD MAKE A RIGHT OR A LEFT.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TO A SLIDE THAT SHOWS ARDSLEY ROAD.
I ASKED MY QUESTION AND IT KIND OF GOES, IT'LL DO THE FIVE MAIN AREAS OF THE SITE.
SHOWING EXISTING AND PROPOSED.
THIS IS JUST REALLY FOCUSING ON
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THE L-SHAPED PARKING LOT TO THE PAGE, YOU KNOW, SOUTH, UH, SOUTH OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.NOT QUITE TO YOUR QUESTION YET, BUT, OKAY.
ACTUALLY, NO, THIS ONE IS, THIS IS THE ONE.
SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, YOU SEE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
SO IN EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS COMING OUT TO ORLEY ROAD.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS WHERE CARS ENTERING AND EXITING THE PROPERTY CAN CONFLICT AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THE SITE.
SO THE IDEA BEHIND THE IMPROVEMENTS IS TO SIMPLIFY AND MAKE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON ARLEY ROAD ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE MORE PREDICTABLE.
SO MARK, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE ZOOM IN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IMAGE OF THE ARDSLEY ROAD INTERSECTION.
SO THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO WE'VE ELIMINATED, UH, ONE OF THE CURB CUTS IS YOU'RE COMING DOWN ARDSLEY ROAD FROM THE WEST COMING DOWN THE HILL AND WHICH BRINGS YOU INTO THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE.
BUT WE'VE ADDED A SLIP LANE ENTRANCE WITH A, UH, TURN LANE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY FROM THE WEST.
SO THAT IS AN ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN JUST TO THE RIGHT OF IT, OR JUST DOWN PAGE OF IT, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING A LEFT INTO THE SITE FROM ARLEY ROAD.
SO NOW YOU HAVE ALL OF THE ENTERING TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE SITE AT THOSE TWO LOCATIONS.
UH, THE LEFT HAND TURN IN FROM ARLEY ROAD FROM THE EAST AND THE RIGHT HAND TURN WITH THE SLIP LANE, UH, FROM THE WEST OVER THE OTHER SIDE.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, ASK THE QUESTION.
THE ONLY OTHER, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND, LESLIE.
WELL, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE THERE IS WHAT IS THE PROXIMITY OF THAT LEFT ON? I KNOW YOU NEED TO DO A LEFT INTO LEY 'CAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO ARDSLEY GOING WEST.
SO YOU NEED TO DO A LEFT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT IN ARDSLEY.
DID YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE, THE STACK STACK UP FROM THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND TO SEE IF PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THAT LEFT? WHAT THE, THE, THE QUEUING FROM OUR, FROM CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, FROM FROM CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
DID YOU LOOK AT THAT? HAVE THEY STACKED UP BEYOND THAT OR, OR NOT? CAN THEY ACTUALLY MAKE THAT LEFT? MARK, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, AGAIN, IT'S MARK PETRO FROM J M C, BUT FOR THE, UH, THE QUEUING ASPECT IS ACTUALLY LOCATED IN OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND OUR CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS REVIEWED BY MR. CANNING AS WELL.
BUT THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN OUR, IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY AND, AND IT COULD BE COMPLETED AND ACCOMMODATED.
UH, THE QUEUING DOES NOT STACK FURTHER BEYOND THAT DRIVEWAY TO IMPEDE THE LEFT TURN.
MARTY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, THAT WAS LESLIE.
UM, CAN SOME, CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THERE ARE BOLLARDS OUT BY THE OUTDOOR SEATING SO THAT ALL THAT PARKING THERE, NOBODY'S GONNA GO ONTO TO THE OUTDOOR SEATING? YES, THERE ARE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATING HAVING RAISED PLANTED ISLANDS AROUND THE PERIMETER TO PROTECT THE AREA.
AND YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE GRADING OF THIS AND GOING TO THE NEXT STAGE, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME SMALL RETAINING WALLS AROUND THE PERIMETER, A BALLARD BOLLARDS TOO.
AND ACTUALLY RETAINING WALLS WOULD SERVE AS A GOOD BARRIER TO PROTECT PEOPLE USING THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS.
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
YEAH, IT COULD BE, IT'S ACTUALLY A NICE ELEMENT LESLIE, THEN WALTER.
SO I GUESS MAYBE I'M NOT SEEING IT COMING DOWN FROM THE ROOF.
YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT WHERE MARCUS POINTING AT IS THE ROOF COMING.
JUST WALK ME THROUGH HOW A PERSON GETS OUT OF THE, THE SHOPPING MALL.
FROM WHERE? FROM JOAN FROM COMING OUTTA JOANNE'S.
SO YOU, IF YOU'RE DRIVING YEAH, HE'S GOING THE RIGHT WAY.
HE, I I SEE WHERE, WHERE YOU ARE WITH THE RED LINE AND YOU COME DOWN, YOU COME DOWN.
SO YOU CAN'T GO OUT TO ARDSLEY, YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND.
BUT THE IDEA HERE WAS TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW ONE WAY IN WHERE, AND THEN ONE WAY OUT TO MINIMIZE THE INTERRUPTIONS IN THE, UH, INTERSECTIONS AND HAVING PEOPLE GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IN THE INTERSECTION TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S ONE PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT WILL COME FROM THE WEST AND THEN GO DIRECTLY OUT TO ALEY ROAD THROUGH THE SOUTHERLY EGRESS DRIVE.
AND THE WAY, AND THE WAY YOU KEPT PEOPLE FROM CUTTING ACROSS, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE NATURAL WAY CERTAIN PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT AND IGNORE THINGS, IS YOU PUT A FENCE UP, UP BETWEEN THE PARKING SPACES.
I JUST WISH TO, TO CONFIRM MY BIOLOGIC.
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IF YOU COMING OUT ON AUDREY ROAD, YOU CAN MAKE BOTH A LEFT AND A RIGHT.MY INITIAL, MY INITIAL THOUGHT, WELL THAT SHOULD RESTRICT THAT TO ONLY A LEFT AND THEN PEOPLE COMING OUT WILL COME DOWN, UH, THE, THE ROAD BETWEEN THOSE SPACES AND, UM, THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT IF YOU HAVE CARS BACKING OUT, YOU WOULD BACK UP TRAFFIC AND THEN YOU CALL CAUSE A TRAFFIC JAM.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A LEFT AND A RIGHT COMING OUT.
NO, YOU NEED, YOU NEED IT FOR ANOTHER REASON.
NO, I'M SAYING WELL, FOR, FOR THE REASON I, IT MIGHT BE OTHER REASON, BUT IF YOU RESTRICT THIS ONLY TO A LEFT, THEN PEOPLE, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN THAT ALLEY AND YOU HAVE CARS BACKING OUT AND THAT WOULD CAUSE A TRAFFIC JAM.
BUT IT IS ALSO THE ONLY WAY TO GO EASTBOUND.
THE ONLY CONVENIENT WAY TO GO EASTBOUND OUT OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
I KNOW I LIVE EAST IN THE NO, BUT, BUT YEAH, BUT, BUT IF YOU GET, IF YOU COME AT THE END MIGHT, YOU'D STILL BE AT LEY ROAD, BUT FURTHER DOWN, THERE'S NO OTHER LEFT EXITS, EXIT LEY ROAD, A RIGHT EXIT TO LEY ROAD.
YOU COULD WHERE WE'LL SHOW YOU, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE SLIDES.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE CROSSWALK IS AND, AND WHAT, UM, WALTER'S TALKING ABOUT IS CORRECT.
THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET OUT TO LEY ROAD, BUT IT'S CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION.
AND IT, IT'S ALONG THE BACK AREA OF RIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT WOULD END UP WITH A QUEUING BEHIND THE BUILDING.
SO WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO, IT'S NOT, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO AND I THINK WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH, WAS TO SIMPLIFY THE ENTRY AND EXIT, UH, TO ARDSLEY ROAD.
WHAT EXISTED, UH, AT ARDSLEY ROAD WAS, UM, AN ENTRY AND AN EXIT NOT DIVIDED BY AN ISLAND.
AND THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD COME IN THINKING THAT THEY WERE ENTERING, BUT THEY'D ENTER THROUGH THE EXIT LANE INSTEAD.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WANTED, THEY ALSO CUT ACROSS ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, WE, WE WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO CHANNEL TRAFFIC.
WHY DON'T WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.
WELL JUST TO WRAP UP THE, THE CONCEPTS HERE.
IF MARK, PLEASE ZOOM IN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UH, AND THEN SO, SO WE SPOKE ABOUT THE TWO EGRESS LANES OUT TO ARLEY ROAD, THE LEFT TURN AND THE RIGHT TURN.
BUT THEN AS YOU, IF YOU MOVE THE PLAN UP TO SEE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, MARK, UH, THERE IS A, AN ADDITIONAL EGRESS THERE.
AND WE HAVE A ONE-WAY TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THOSE HANDFUL OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE THERE, AS WELL AS FOR TRUCKS THAT ARE ACCESSING THE BACK AREA.
UH, WE HAVE OUR DUMPSTERS BACK THERE, OUR COMPACTOR BACK THERE.
SO THAT EGRESS WILL BE USED PRIMARILY BY, UH, THE SERVICE VEHICLES THAT ARE ACCESSED IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS SHOWING A, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ZOOMED IN HERE AT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE BUILDING WHERE THE DRESS BARN SPACE IS.
AND THE INTENT HERE IS SHOWING THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UM, BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND ALSO TO THE UPPER PARKING LOT.
SO THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A STRIPED CROSSWALK, WHICH CURRENTLY EXISTS AND IS REMAINING, AND THEN A PROPOSED CROSSWALK, WHICH WILL BE WITHIN A GREEN SPACE AREA, UH, AND A SIDEWALK GOING THROUGH THAT ISLAND, THEN COMING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN GOING ACROSS TO THE SAME CORNER.
UH, THAT WAY YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN GET TO THIS BUILDING FROM THE MAIN BUILDING AS WELL AS IT CONNECTING WITH THE, UH, STAIRS, THE EXISTING STAIRS THAT GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THE UPPER PARKING LOT.
OH, HERE'S WHERE WE RESUMED IN ON THE PAR ON THE, UH, HERE, HERE'S WHERE WE RESUMED IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT HORSE LEFT THE BARN ALREADY
UH, IF WE JUST GO BACK ONE SLIDE.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THAT CROSSWALK CONNECTING TO THE BRIDGE GOING OVER JOANNE'S NO LONGER THERE.
RIGHT? THIS IS AN OLDER VERSION OF THE RENDERING, BUT THE, UM, THE COMPARISONS, BUT THIS IS THE NEW PLAN AND THIS IS A CHANGE THAT HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF A SEPARATE PLANNING BOARD APPLICATION FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUESTED AND YOU DON'T WALK AROUND THE WALLS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
YOU DON'T WALK AROUND THE CHANCE OF PEOPLE USING THOSE STAIRS.
AND, AND THEY HAVE OTHER WAYS TO GET DOWN FROM THE ROOFTOP PARKING.
IT'S GONNA BE, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA, VERY FEW PEOPLE PAR PARK EXCEPT EMPLOYEES PARK.
BUT IF THEY DO GOTTA GIVE THEM WAY TO GET DOWN, THEY DO.
YOU GOTTA, YOU HAVE THE STAIRWAY AND A CROSSWALK, SO THAT'S FINE.
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AND THEN THE LAST PIECE IS FOR A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, UH, FOUR PEOPLE TO GET TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ARLEY ROAD.SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A CONNECTION TO OUR PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS ON THE SITE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, AND THEN A NEW SIDEWALK.
AND IT GOES THROUGH THE EXISTING, UH, ARBOR IE.
PLANTER TO A SMALL SEGMENT OF SIDEWALK, WHICH THEN BRINGS YOU OUT TO A NEW CROSSWALK WITH, UM, MARK, I ALWAYS MESS UP THE NAME OF THAT.
IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING SIGNS WITH THE LIGHTS THAT WHEN YOU PUSH THE LIGHTS LIGHT UP TO NOTIFY MOTORISTS IN EACH DIRECTION THAT A PEDESTRIAN IS CROSSING IN THE CROSSWALK AT THAT TIME.
SO THAT'S ALSO A, UH, AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PLANT.
WAS THERE, WAS THERE A BUS STOP SOMEWHERE ALONG THERE? I THOUGHT THERE WAS.
AND, AND THE BUS STOP, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING MOVED.
WHERE, CAN YOU JUST SHOW WHERE IT IS ON THERE? MARK? WHERE WAS THAT? WHERE? I THINK IT WAS JUST, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S JUST ABOVE, ABOVE THE CROSSWALK.
LOWER PART OF THE PAGE FROM THE CROSSWALK.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THE SIDEWALKS DON'T ANY REASON WHY THE SIDEWALKS DON'T LINE UP? IS IT BECAUSE IT HITS WHAT SIDEWALK? I MEAN THIS CROSSWALKS ANY REASON WHY? YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T END UP WAS MR. ROAD.
WE'RE WE'RE ALSO GOING AROUND WHERE THERE'S A REFUSE CLOSER TO THE, WE'RE GOING AROUND WHERE THERE'S A REFUSE CONTAINER FOR THE SERVICE OF THE THAT'S SENSOR AND RIGHT.
WE THINK IT'S, IT'S CONVENIENT.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION ON, ON SIGNAGE FOR THE YEAH.
I WANTED TO GET BACK TO YOU ON SIGNAGE.
YOU ASKED WHAT THE TOWN BOARD, WHAT WAS DIFFERENT AND I, I'D OMITTED THAT.
THERE'S ALSO REQUEST I GOT TODAY FROM THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
SO THE, THERE WAS A, A SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE ON, ON CENTRAL AVENUE, UM, THAT SAID, UH, I THINK IT SAID SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING.
IT SAYS ENTRANCE WHERE THE BANK JUST SAYS ENTRANCE WHERE THE BANK USED TO BE.
WE PROPOSED TO CHANGE IT TO MIDWAY LIKE SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER CHANGE WAS WE WERE ASKED, UM, IF WE COULD IMPROVE SIGNAGE WITHIN THE CENTER ALONG THE SPINE THAT LED TO THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION SO THAT WE COULD HAVE SIGNS VISIBLE WITHIN THE PARKING LOT TO CENTRAL AVENUE WITH AN ARROW.
AND WE IDENTIFIED AN, I THINK TWO OR THREE PLACES.
IS THAT TO DIRECT THEM IF THEY'RE GOING CENTRAL AVENUE SOUTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, THEY CAN GO EITHER WAY ON CENTRAL AVENUE BECAUSE IT'S A SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
THAT WAS WHY WE WERE DOING IT, TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW OUT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF PEOPLE TO ENCOURAGE 'EM UP THAT I WAS THINKING THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO LEY.
I SEE YOUR HAND ON, YOU LOOK ON THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN NOW, YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SPINE THE, THE MAIN LOT.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING SIGNAGE AND THAT IS INTENDED TO POINT PEOPLE TO THE, UH, EXISTING DRIVEWAYS THAT YOU CAN GET OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BAIN BUILDING.
AND ON THE LEFT SIDE BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING TO GET YOU TO THE SLIP LANES WHICH BRING YOU OUT.
PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW SLIP LANES ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP PUTTING IT ON THE LIGHT BOLT.
DO YOU? SO WE ENDED UP PUTTING THOSE, SORRY, WE ENDED UP PUTTING THOSE SIGNS ON THE LIGHT BULBS.
IS THERE ANY SIGN TO TELL PEOPLE TOWARDS THE ROAD OR NO? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING DIRECTING THEM TOWARDS THE ROAD? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY.
I'M NOT GONNA HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
I I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY OR NOT.
I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTERING FROM ARLEY ROAD AND PARKING IN THAT AREA KNOW IT PROBABLY CAME IN THAT WAY.
UM, ACTUALLY THEY DON'T, THEY COME IN, THEY, I I DO IT ALL THE TIME AND TAKE A LEFT ON A CENTRAL, COME IN CENTRAL AND GO ON LEY.
THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE NORMALLY DO IT.
ONE OTHER QUESTION FROM THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
THERE HAS BEEN, THERE IS A LAW ABOUT STOPPING AT A CROSSWALK AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE SIGNS AT THE CROSSWALK SAY, SAYING THAT WE ADDED SIGNAGE, UH, WHEN WE WERE BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, THERE WERE YELLOW SIGNS THAT POINT TO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK.
MARK, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THAT HIGHLIGHTED THOSE SIGNS RIGHT THERE? I THINK WE PUT THEM AT EACH PLACE WHERE THERE IS A CROSSWALK AND NOT A STOP SIGN.
THE QUESTION IS, CAN, CAN YOU? RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT NOT A STOP SIGN, BUT JUST NO, I KNOW, BUT WHERE THERE IS NO, IF THERE'S A STOP SIGN, WE DIDN'T PUT IT THERE.
OF COURSE, IF THERE'S NO STOP SIGN, WE PUT A SIGN THERE.
THERE IS SOME, I GUESS SOME VERBIAGE THAT'S USED IN SOME PLACES.
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IT'S REQUIRED YOU STOP IF SOMEONE'S IN A CROSSWALK.SO I DID, THEY WERE, THE SAFETY COMMITTEE SUGGESTED POSSIBLY REMINDING PEOPLE OF THAT IF POSSIBLE.
WE WE'RE FINE WORKING WITH THE POLICE WITH WHOEVER YOU SUGGEST ON WHAT THE SIGN SHOULD SAY.
SERGEANT
MARK, IF YOU COULD POINT TO IT BECAUSE, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS ON A CROSSWALK, CAN WE PUT THERE APPLIES IN OTHER THAN RIGHTS OF WAY, PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW EITHER.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY I WOULD STOP WHEREVER THERE'S A CROSSWALK, BUT THERE'S SOMEBODY IN IT I DON'T KNOW EITHER.
UM, BUT WHAT WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL WORK WITH THE, THE TOWN ON WHATEVER VERBIAGE YOU WANT.
YOU'VE DONE A A GREAT JOB ON THIS STUFF.
YOU HAVE PROBLEM MO MONA I KNOW HAS BEEN WAITING TO ASK A QUESTION, MONA.
SINCE JOHN MO WE'RE CORRECT TONIGHT, I FEEL COMPELLED TO ASK ABOUT WHAT LIGHTING, IF ANY THERE WILL BE IN THAT SEATING AREA FOR THE RESTAURANTS, THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DESIGNED THE LIGHTING THERE.
IT'S NOT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, THEY'LL BE SERVING FOOD IN THE EVENINGS I WOULD ASSUME, YOU KNOW, AF YOU KNOW, IN THE SUMMERTIME ESPECIALLY.
I'M, I'M, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE IDEA IS TO HAVE CAFE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WILL THERE BE ANY LIGHTING OVER IT FOR AESTHETICS OR IF THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO HAVE OTHER LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING AND WE JUST HAVEN'T DESIGNED THAT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST NOT BEEN DESIGNED.
WE CAN MAKE THAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY JUST, WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING IN THE PERMIT TO ASK YOU TO SHOW US.
YEAH, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME LIGHTING OUT THERE.
I KNOW IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE RIGHT ORDER, BUT NO, I KNOW, BUT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SITTING OUT THERE FOR SAFETY REASONS.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE I GET THE RIGHT ORDER, MR.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE BOARD THAT HAVE A QUESTION? AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC ASK A QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD ON THIS AND IT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
WELL, AND WE APPRECIATE THE PLANNING BOARD'S, UH, PATIENCE AND, AND DILIGENCE IN, IN WORKING THROUGH THIS.
I THINK WE ENDED UP WITH A BETTER PROJECT AS A RESULT OF IT.
IT'S ONLY BEEN ABOUT 20 YEARS.
MR. NO,
I I'VE SEEN MR. CANNING NODDING HIS HEAD A BUNCH AND I JUST, UM, SO HE'S BEEN MORE OR LESS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATEMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT'S MADE, BUT I WAS JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR MR. CANNING AT THIS.
I DON'T, BUT I, I I THINK IT'D BE GOOD MR. CANNING, IF YOU JUST GIVE YOUR OVERALL VIEW OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE, HOW YOU FEEL.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, MEMBERS, THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
JOHN CANNING WITH KIMLEY HORNE.
SO THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN AROUND BEFORE YOU, ONCE THIS THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
AND, UH, IT'S ALSO BEEN BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, UH, AN EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE THAT EVALUATED THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED, WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD NOT IMPACT OFFSITE TRAFFIC OPERATING CONDITIONS.
UH, THE ACCIDENT DATA WAS REVIEWED FAIRLY EXTENSIVELY.
UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS WERE PROPOSED.
THE PARKING, THE BOARD WAS PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED RENOVATIONS THAT WAS LOOKED AT EXTENSIVELY.
AND EACH TIME IT WAS LOOKED AT, THE BOARD SUGGESTED THE VARIOUS BOARDS SUGGEST THAT WE TRY AND FIND ANOTHER TIME THAT THERE WAS MORE ACTIVITY.
AND BASICALLY WHAT IT FOUND WAS AT THE BUSIEST TIMES, THE SPACES IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF THE NEW RESTAURANTS WILL FILL UP AND THEY, THEY, THE CUSTOMERS WHO WANT TO, MAY WANT TO PARK THERE, WILL PARK IN THE AREA IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OR IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.
BUT THOSE AREAS WILL NOT FILL UP AND THEY'LL FILL UP TO 89, MAYBE 90% ON THE BUSIEST DAY.
UH, SO ALL IN ALL, I THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, A GOOD REPURPOSE OF THE EXISTING SPACE.
THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING IS NOT EXTENSIVE.
WE'VE VETTED THE PARKING TO ENSURE THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT PARKING AND THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED WILL IMPROVE CIRCULATION AND SAFETY.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC EITHER ON ZOOM, UM, IN THE AUDIENCE? ALRIGHT.
IN WHICH CASE, I'LL, I'LL, UH, TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL THE 11TH OF JANUARY.
ALL OPPOSED? THAT WAS RIGHT THERE.
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DID YOU HAVE TO SEE THE ANSWER NEXT TIME? ABSTENTIONS DONE.WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A DECISION AT THE, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU, AND HAPPY TO YOU.
I WILL ALSO TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING.
I'M SORRY, WHAT IS YOUR NAME AGAIN? I'M ADRIAN.
YOU'VE GOT MORE IN ONE NIGHT THAN.