* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:01] RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S MIC ON. READY [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, January 18, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] TO GO. MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? OH, FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, JANUARY 19TH. UH, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE. CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MR. SIMON? HERE. MS. ACK? HERE. HERE. NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. DESAI, MR. GOLDEN, MR. SNAGS AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT PRESENT AT THIS TIME, AND THAT MONA WILL BE VOTING AS AN ALTERNATE CORRECT. VOTING CHAIR? YES. YES. UM, ANY, WHAT'S AN ECHO? YEAH, I DUNNO. WHY ? ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO. TOM, YOU HAD A FEW. I BELIEVE I HAD, I HAD ONE COMMENT ON PAGE TWO. UH, THE SECOND SENTENCE, IT SAYS, UH, MR. BRITTON STATED THAT THE APPLICANT REPRESENTED THAT THE STORMWATER SYSTEM WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE A 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM EVENT, AND THEN IT GOES ON. BUT WE DISCUSSED THAT IT'S THE NEW DEFINITION OF A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT. SO, OR A STORM EVENT AS RECENTLY UPDATED BY THE, WHICHEVER AGENCY DOES IT, BECAUSE LATER IT TALKS ABOUT THE FORMER VERSUS THE CURRENT. AND I THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, UM, DEFINITELY THE NEW ONE. RIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE THAT REFERENCED IN THE DECISION AS A CONDITION FOR THAT PROJECT. SO WE'LL BRING THAT LANGUAGE OVER INTO THE, INTO THE MINUTES, MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE MINUTES CONSISTENT WITH THAT, THEN? CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A, ANY THERE'S LESLIE. GREAT. LESLIE DAVIS, A VOTING MEMBER IS NOW JOINING THE MEETING. HE JUST STARTED. DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES I TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE MINUTES, BUT THAT COMES AFTER APPROVAL. OKAY. SO FOLLOW UP. UM, LESLIE DID, LESLIE DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON MINUTES OR COMMENTS ON, OKAY, I'LL TAKE A MOTION THEN TO, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED. SO MOVED. SO SECOND. UH, TOM SECONDS. WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED ABSTENTION PASSES. HAVE YOU OF A COMMENT? YES. UH, WE INDICATED THAT WE WILL GET THE NEW DEFINITION OF A 25 YEAR STORM. I JUST WONDER YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, DON'T YOU? SO I HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN MY OFFICE. OKAY. I CAN CIRCULATE IT TO THE BOARD. YES. SO YOU SEE THAT. BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WHAT THE OLD 25 YEARS STORM WAS, 50 AND WHAT THE OLD 50 WAS. IT'S SOME, IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 50. YEAH. AND, AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION LAST TIME. WE, I PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE RECOGNIZED. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WE HAVE, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER, NUMBER? SEND, MAKE SURE THE NEXT PACKET. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. JUST SEND IT OUT. I MADE A NOTE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. GOOD CORRESPONDENCE. I THINK WE HAVE THREE EXTENSIONS WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVENING. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. YOU ARE WE STILL GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN GO WITH A 50 YEAR OR ARE WE GONNA STAY WITH THE 25? THE NEW 25? I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH THE NEW 25, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS. OKAY. OKAY. NOT TONIGHT, BUT WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ECHOING BACK THERE SOMEWHERE. IT IS THAT GOING? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY. IF YOU CAN HEAR THE SPEAKER OUT BACK. OH, IT'S IN THE LOBBY. WHY DON'T YOU CLOSE THE DOOR AGAIN? CLOSE THE DOOR. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, THAT IS, IT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. YEAH. YEAH. I TURNED DOWN MY VOLUMES. WE HAVE THREE EXTENSIONS I BELIEVE TONIGHT. YES. I CAN WALK. YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU WALK THROUGH THEM. ALLEN, PLEASE. OKAY. FIRST EXTENSION REQUEST IS CASE NUMBER PB 1625. IT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKAGES. REBELL SUBDIVISION, WOODLANDS AVENUE NORTH, UH, A K A VAN KOTT AVENUE, THE APPLICANT. SEEKING A FURTHER, UH, THERE'S, IT'S COMING OVER. THE SPEAKERS IN THE CEILING. JANELLE, IS THERE ANY WAY TO NOT HAVE THE FEEDBACK, THE ECHO? I SHOULD, WE'RE HEARING THE SPEAKERS IN IN, IN THE, OKAY. TRY IT. THAT BETTER? CAN WE HEAR NOW? IT'S STILL THERE. STILL THERE. YOU WANT TO CHECK? LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOO ANNOYING. GRAB THAT MUCH HEARING OUR TWICE IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING ANYWAY. SO MAYBE WE'LL LISTEN TO SECOND THOUGH. MAYBE YOU'LL, IT'LL BE THE FIRST TIME, MR. STEINMITZ, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING. . OKAY. LET'S GO ON WITH THE EXTENSIONS IN THE MEANTIME. OKAY. AGAIN, PB 1625 SOUND ON YOUR NO, IT'S COMING FROM, IT'S COMING FROM THE SPEAKER'S ON THE CEILING IN THE BACK. THERE'S A LAPTOP OVER THERE. SOUND THERE ON THE LAPTOP. OH, YEAH. I TURN, I TURNED MINE DOWN. [00:05:01] OKAY. SABOTAGING THE MEETING. THANK YOU COCA-COLA FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT. AND THAT'LL BE IT. CLOSING PROBLEM. . NOT A GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION. MR. STEINS. I'M SORRY. . I DON'T KNOW THE GUY. COCA-COLA. HE FOUND THE PROBLEM TOO FAST. NO, JANELLE FOUND THE PROBLEM. GOOD. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD. HEAD TO THE EXTENSION. YEAH. SO 1625 REBELL SUBDIVISION. IT IS THEIR SIXTH PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION REQUEST. HOWEVER, THEY GIVE A VERY DETAILED LETTER EXPLAINING, UH, THE HOLDUP AT WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE SEEKING AN ADDITIONAL PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION FOR, UH, 90 DAYS. 90 DAYS IS THE STANDARD. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS? YEAH. NORMALLY IF I SAW SIXTH EXTENSION REQUEST, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY FORGET IT. BUT BECAUSE THEY DID DOCUMENT CLEARLY THE EFFORTS THEY'VE MADE, THE RESPONSES THEY'VE GOTTEN AND THE TIMING. I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. I'M WILLING TO OKAY. APPROVE IT. CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THIS EXTENS, PLEASE? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND, WALTER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED. ABSTENTION PASSES. NEXT ONE, PLEASE. OKAY, NEXT ONE IS CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 20, KNOWN AS THE NEWMAN SUBDIVISION 13 SOUTHWOOD PLACE. THEY'RE REQUESTING A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. THEY'RE AWAITING WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SIGN OFF AND ANTICIPATE RECEIVING IT WITHIN THIS EXTENSION PERIOD. YEAH, THERE SEEMS TO BE A BACKLOG. THIS IS THEIR FIRST EXTENSION REQUEST. IT'S OUR FIRST EXTENSION. SO MOVED. SET. UH, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE? NO, JUST A STATEMENT WITH ME. WE, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF EXTENSION, IF THE, IF THE HOLDUP IS CLEARLY WESTCHESTER COUNTY'S HOLDUP RIGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD NOT HOLD THAT AGAINST THE APPLICANT. RIGHT. I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. WE, WE TYPICALLY JUST ALLOW, SO YOU MADE THE MOTION. CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND. SECOND IS WALTER ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT PASSES THIRD ONE. THIRD ONE IS CASE NUMBER PB UH, 2118. THE BATTY SUBDIVISION PAYNE STREET. YOU'RE REQUESTING A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE THAT WASN'T IN OUR PACKET. OH, IT CAME IN, IT CAME LATE. LATE. IT CAME IN, IT CAME IN LATE. LATE, YES. SO, UM, DAVE INDICATED THAT THEY'VE ALSO EXPERIENCED, UH, DELAYS COORDINATING WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DURING THE FINAL STEPS OF SUBMITTING THE FINAL MILE R PLAT TO DO O H. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD SOON. FOLLOW. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS? SAME THING. THIRD EXTENSION, 90 DAY EXTENSION. YES. CORRECT. YES. FOR THE THIRD EXTENSION, UH, AMEND, JUST ASKING. IS IT THIRD EXTENSION? I, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK. IT'S BEEN MORE THAN ONE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S WEST COUNTY COUNTY HEALTH, THE WHOLE OFFICE. OKAY. DO I HAVE MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT. OKAY. TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND. MORE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, PASSES. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GONNA GO OUT OF ORDER HERE FOR A SECOND. WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING. WE CAN STAY HERE BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA TAKE ABOUT A MINUTE. OKAY. UM, SO WE'LL GO STRAIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AARON? YES, WE CAN DO THAT. YES. OKAY. JUST TO, WE'RE JUST GOING PUBLIC HEARING TO ADJOURN THE CASE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING, BUT WE HAVE TO GO IN PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THAT. YES. SO YOU CAN CALL THE ROLE FOR PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE. CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MR. SIMON? HERE. MS. DAVIS. HERE. MS. F*G. HERE, NOTE THAT BOARD MEMBERS CORRECT DESAI, MICHAEL GOLDEN JOHAN SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT. MS. F*G WILL ACT AS A FULL VOTING AVERAGE. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE THE CASE AND THEN WE'LL, UH, SURE. MAYOR, PLEASE. SO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH 22 SAUNDERS ONE, ST. MARY'S PLACE, PO O WHITE PLAINS, NEW YORK, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION. WE RECEIVED A REQUEST THIS AFTERNOON, UH, TO ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THEY WERE NOT READY BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND THE HOMEWORK THAT THE BOARD HAD ASKED THEM TO TAKE CARE OF AT THE LAST MEETING. UH, THEY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO COMPLETE THAT AND ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING AN EXTENSION OF TWO WEEKS. ADDITIONALLY, UM, A LOT OF US HAVE NOW BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA, I THINK, OF THE DRAINAGE CONDITIONS THAN WE DID PRIOR. SO THAT'LL BE A, I THINK, A MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE MEETING. SO WE SHOULD RESCHEDULE IT FOR WHAT'S AT THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY. 2ND OF FEBRUARY. FIRST, 1ST OF FEBRUARY. OKAY. FIRST, YES. ALRIGHT. CAN I EVER MOVE THEN TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING? [00:10:01] LET'S VOTE ON THE, OH, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ADJOURN SINCE WE HAVE, OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO VOTE ON THE ADJOURN? SO, MOVE. OKAY. DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SIR. TOM, SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. BE QUICKER THERE, LESLIE. I SEE THAT ALL OPPOSED. OKAY, CARRIES. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT? LESLIE? SO, SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I'LL OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL NOTIFY THE APPLICANT. OKAY, WE'RE NOW GOING BACK INTO THE, INTO THE WORK SESSION AND BACKGROUND SCHEDULE. THE FIRST, UH, ONE IS A DECISION ON, UM, PPP 2211 VOL HOME 63 DONALD DRIVE. THIS IS FOR OTHER PLACEMENT OF A RETAINING WALL THAT IT COLLAPSED AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS. UM, THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO ON THIS IS, UH, DECLARE A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT PLEASE? SO, MOVED. THERE WAS TIE. OKAY. I GIVE IT TO WALTER. OKAY. WALTER, IF IT WAS A TRIP, TRIPLE TIME WALTER, THEN TOM. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. I OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES. AND THE SECOND IS TO APPROVE A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY. ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, THINGS IN BEFORE WE GET THE MOTION? UM, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, THINGS WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IN THE APPROVAL LETTER? NOTHING. NO, NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY WITH RESPECT TO THIS ONE THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. OKAY. UM, WE DID JUST INDICATE THAT IN THE LANGUAGE, TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE MINUTES IN UPDATING THE MINUTES THAT THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM EVENT BASED OFF THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL CLIMATE CENTER EXTREME PRECIPITATION TABLE THAT JUST ROLLS OFF THE TONGUE. IT DOES . I DON'T PLAN ON, UH, SAYING THAT TOO OFTEN. ALRIGHT. BUT SIR, THIS WILL COME STANDARD LANGUAGE AND APPROVAL. YES. IT'S, IT'LL BE BOIL PLATE FROM NOW ON. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD KNOW? ABOUT'S? THAT'S IT. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE? SO MOVED. SO, LESLIE, SHE'S GETTING QUICK SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, TOM? AYE. OH, TOM, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL LESLIE? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED NO ABSTENTIONS EXTENSIONS. IT, IT PASSES. MR. ONG HERE. APPROVED. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, X GOLF. YES. THIS IS, UM, EIGHT 70 PARK, UH, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE. UM, THEREFORE PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT FOR AN INDOOR GOLF FACILITY AT THAT LOCATION. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS REPURPOSING OF AN OLD, THE OLD WALGREENS, UH, BUILDING NEAR THE CORNER OF LEY ROAD IN CENTRAL PARK AVENUE. THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT. WE HAVE TO DO SEE ON THIS AND WE ALSO HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL PERMIT. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THIS A TYPE, DECLARE THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER PLEASE. SO MOVED. MONA, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WALTER SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. A PASSES. OKAY. NOW I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO, UH, WE HAVE WALTER HAS A QUESTION. A QUESTION. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? AND THEN I HAVE A COMMENT. A, A, A LETTER OF CONFIDENCE TO MAKE A YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS WAS CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT REPRESENTATION. UH, UH, THE REPRESENTATION HERE ABOUT THE, OUT, ABOUT THE SPEAKER ON THE OUTSIDE. WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS JUST VERY SIMPLY IS THAT UNLIKE THE OTHER GOLF FACILITY WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS IN THE BACK, AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE RECEPTION PERSON TO GET OUT, TO KICK THEM OFF OR TO NOTICE THE, SOMETHING, TO NOTICE SOMETHING WAS GOING ON HERE. THIS SAYING THE PARKING'S ALL IN THE FRONT. AND THEY STILL WILL HAVE THE, THEY'LL STILL HAVE THE CAMERA. RIGHT? THEY JUST DON'T THINK, THEY DON'T NEED THE SPEAKER. INSTEAD, IF WE DON'T, THEY SAY IF WE REALLY INSIST, THEY'LL DO IT, BUT THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. RIGHT? SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE? I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. I DON'T SEE THE NEED. I DON'T NEED, OKAY. IT'S JUST ONE MORE MESSAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IS THAT IN OUR CONDITIONS HERE? I THINK IT IS. RIGHT? SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS AMEND CONDITION NUMBER THREE ON PAGE FOUR TO REMOVE IN THE SECOND SENTENCE, BE EQUIPPED WITH A SPEAKER AND OKAY. WE'LL ELIMINATE THOSE. YEAH. OKAY. AARON, I HAVE A QUESTION. LET'S DO THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, I'VE READ A LOT OF THESE AND MAYBE I JUST NEVER PICKED IT UP BEFORE. IS IT ALWAYS THAT THE FACILITY'S INTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL OPERATE BY MOTION DETECTOR? UH, IT WAS FOR THE OTHER, UH, GOLF SIMULATOR FACILITY. SO WE CARRY THAT OVER INTO THIS ONE, AND WE DO OFTEN DO THAT WITH SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS. GOOD. DO YOU REMEMBER THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMM COMMITTEE SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT? [00:15:01] I WASN'T SAYING I WAS UNHAPPY. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT BEFORE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MR. BESKY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE THAT YOU'RE ON THE ZOOM CALL. NO, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING OUR REQUEST INTO CONSIDERATION WITH RESPECT TO THE SPEAKER. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AS AMENDED THEN? SO MOVED. TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MONA SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. ABSTENTIONS? NONE. WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. MR. NO, WE'RE UP TO MIDWAY. THANK YOU. WE TOLD YOU BEFORE WE O'CLOCK. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS CASE 2131 MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO SPECIAL PERMITS. ONE FOR A QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT, UH, FAST FOOD SPECIAL PERMIT, ONE FOR A REGULAR SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. IT'S ALSO A SHARED PARK REDUCTION PLANNING BOARD. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA SAY PUBLICLY, I WANT TO THANK OUR, OUR EVERYBODY ON THIS. IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL. UM, THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, AN AREA FRANKLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR YEARS. AND I THINK THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT. OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THINKS SO. AND OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR, WE EVEN WROTE A FULL PAGE ON, ON THIS, WHICH, UH, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR, FOR PLANNING ON THIS AS WELL. THAT WAS A, SOMETHING WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T SEEN. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT HE DID THAT AND GIVES US EVEN ADDITIONAL COMFORT. AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL MOVE FOR MIDWAY SHOPPING, ET CETERA. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. SO, UM, I DO WANT TO SAY THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS I'VE HEARD AROUND THE PUBLIC. UNFORTUNATELY, I DO LISTEN TO SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AND THAT MAYBE WE, ALL HE DID WAS A FLYOVER AND, YOU KNOW, AND ALL WE DID WAS DO THE PARKING ON DRONES. UH, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT HAPPENED. IT WAS A VERY DETAILED PARKING ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PARKING SPACES IN DIRECT PROXIMITY WITH WHAT YOU WERE DOING. AND IF THAT HAD, IF YOU REMEMBER A, A, UH, A PREVIOUS APPLICATION WHERE YOU WANTED TO EXPAND THE PROPERTY WAS REJECT IT FOR THAT REASON. RIGHT. SO, UM, THIS WAS A, A GOOD, YOU KNOW, VERY GOOD ANALYSIS DONE. VERY GOOD WORKING TOGETHER WITH EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S THE WAY THINGS SHOULD HAP SHOULD HAPPEN IN OUR TOWN. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO IT BEING SUCCESSFUL. ASSUMING IT GETS APPROVED, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE THE ENVELOPE, SO I DUNNO. UM, THE FIRST THING, DID WE DO SECRET ROUND? OH, IT WAS IN TOWN. THEY WERE LEAD AGENCY. SO WE NEED TO DO TWO SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, TWO SPECIAL PERMIT. ARE THERE ANYTHING IN EITHER OF THE SPECIAL PERMITS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT THAT, UH, DIFFER FROM THE NORM? DIFFER FROM FROM NORM? NOT REALLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UM, NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY. OKAY. THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD IN OTHER DECISIONS WITH RESPECT TO RESTAURANT USES. OKAY. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL PERMIT ON THE RESTAURANT PORTION FIRST. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND IS TOM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. OKAY. THAT'S APPROVED. I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL PERMIT ON THE QUICK SERVICE SLASH FAST FOOD SPECIAL PERMIT. THEN. SO MOVE WALTER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. LESLIE. SHE BEAT THAT TIME. LESLIE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT ABSTENTION FROM THAT CARRIES. AND THIRD, I WILL TAKE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION. SO MOVED. TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WALTER SECOND. SO IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. SO WHEN DO WE FIND OUT WHO THE SUPER SECRET, WHEN ARE WE GONNA TALK THE SECRET ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON? THE SUPER SECRET RESTAURANT. QUICK SERVICES. AND WE HAVE A TENANT SECURED. WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING, HEARING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND, UH, WE, WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THIS PROJECT FILLED AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING, HAVE GOOD PILLS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. HAVE GOOD NIGHT. OKAY. COCA-COLA. YES. YES. I TOLD THE EIGHT O'CLOCK. SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO OUT AND HAVE A BEER, GO AHEAD. OH, YOU CAN'T HAVE A COKE. I'M SORRY. AND A SMILE, SMILE AROUND THIS ONE JUST TO GIVE OUT SOME HANDOUTS. WE LIKE HANDOUTS. YEAH, IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. WE GET A DRINK, YOU KNOW, I DID TELL 'EM TO BRING MINT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE BRI. THAT WOULD BE A BRI THAT BE REALLY? THEY BOUGHT [00:20:01] A COAT AND YOU KNOW WHAT SHE'LL DO? YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'LL DO FOR LIKE A DOLLAR COKE, RIGHT? YOU REALIZE YOU ONE FOR THE CHAIRMAN. I GOT ONE MORE. THANK YOU. WELL, GOOD. THESE ARE BETTER THAN IF ANYONE NEEDS, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. I KNOW. IT'S THE SAME ONE, RIGHT? THANK MR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE. I TO ANNOUNCE A CASE BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. WE READY GUYS? WAIT, JUST, OKAY. THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. IT'S, THIS IS A LITTLE, IT'S JUST LITTLE COLOR CODED. IT'S EASIER TO LOOK AT. YEAH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE. YEAH. THAT THE 11 BY SEVENTEENS ARE BASICALLY JUST WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING ALONG WITH THIS PACKAGE. BUT I, I FIGURED YOU MIGHT WANT NOTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT BETTER. OKAY. I'VE GOT ONE. OH, YOU GOT ONE? YEAH. I DON'T, I MISSED OUT ON, YEAH, I'LL TAKE AARON. OH, AARON, WHO? . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND THESE ARE SOME NEW VIEWS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, LET ME NOW SEE CASE START. OKAY. UM, THIS IS CASE 2227. LIBERTY COCA-COLA AT 11 1 11 FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE, P O ELMSFORD, NEW YORK. IT'S FOR AUTOMATED SITE PLAN AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. AND THERE'S SOME INTERESTING ASPECTS OF THIS IN TERMS OF ENERGY CON CONSERVATION WE'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT AS WELL. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MRS. STEINS. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL LIVE AND IN PERSON, RIGHT? NICE TO BE BACK, UH, TOGETHER, UH, YOU KNOW THAT I GET EXCITED AND PASSIONATE ABOUT A LOT OF MY APPLICATIONS. I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. THIS ONE, I'M GENUINELY REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO BE PRESENTING THIS AND PRESENT THIS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. THIS IS A TRULY UNIQUE APPLICATION. I'M PLEASED TO BE REPRESENTING LIBERTY, UH, COCA-COLA WITH ME THIS EVENING. UH, MR. DYLAN PENN, UH, FROM LIBERTY KOCH, UM, AND MY ENTIRE PROJECT TEAM MARK GIORDANO, OUR PROJECT COORDINATOR, ROB, UH, WALSH FROM EI ASSOCIATES, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, VISHNU BARAN FROM CLARK ENERGY, WHO'S OUR TECHNICAL CO-GENERATION CONSULTANT. AND I APOLOGIZE WILSON, I'M SORRY, MR. WILSON. MR. WILSON ALSO FROM LIBERTY KOCH. SO MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS IS, UM, TO ME A GENUINE, SUSTAINABLE ENERGY GREEN ORIENTED PROJECT THAT WE ARE BRINGING CONCERNING RENEWABLE ENERGY, UH, TO, UH, TO THE TOWN OF CORTLAND, TO THE TOWN OF CORTLAND, TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. UM, WE DON'T WANNA BRING YOU TO THE TOWN OF COURT. I WAS IN CORLAND THIS AFTERNOON, UM, ONE 11 FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE, AS YOU ALL KNOW. UM, A 22 ACRE SITE THAT I DID NOT REALIZE. IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THERE WAS A RATHER SUBSTANTIAL COCA-COLA BOTTLING FACILITY, 22 ACRES. THE FACILITY ITSELF IS 440,000 SQUARE FEET, OVER 10 ACRES OF FACILITY LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN'S PD OR NON-RESIDENTIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, MR. PENN AND HIS COLLEAGUES HAVE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS A WAY FOR THEM TO POWER ALMOST THEIR ENTIRE FACILITY, UH, WITH THEIR OWN GENERATED ELECTRICITY THROUGH CO-GENERATION, CO-GENERATION, A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS UTILIZED, UM, CERTAINLY THROUGHOUT, UH, THE COUNTRY IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FASHIONS. BUT ONE OF THE, THERE WERE SEVERAL BYPRODUCTS OF CO-GENERATION ONE, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU GENERATE ELECTRICITY, THAT'S GREAT. TWO, UM, YOU CAN GET HEAT OR THERMAL ENERGY, WHICH CAN BE UTILIZED FOR HEATING FACILITIES. THREE AS A RESULT OF CHEMICAL REACTIONS THAT VISH, VISHNU, UH, CAN EXPLAIN COOLING IS ACTUALLY GENERATED. THAT PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR, FOR COOLING. SO ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS ARE ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. BUT ONE OF THE BYPRODUCTS OF CO-GENERATION IS CARBON DIOXIDE. C O TWO. WE SPEND LOTS OF NIGHTS TOGETHER TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT, UH, CARBON DIOXIDE AND TRYING TO REDUCE CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS. SO IF YOU ARE OPERATING A BOTTLING PLANT AND YOUR BOTTLING SODA AND FLAT SODA ISN'T GOOD, EVEN COKE FLAT ISN'T GOOD. BUT HAVING COKE WITH FIZZ AND CARBONATION IS, IF YOU CAN TAKE THE CARBONATION AND BRING IT BACK INTO THE BUILDING, CLEAN IT AND REUTILIZE IT INSIDE THE BOTTLES, THAT'S PRETTY AWESOME. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. WE'RE HERE TO TAKE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST, UM, INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING USES IN THE TOWN. MAKE IT RENEWABLE, MAKE IT SUSTAINABLE, MAKE IT GREEN, AND AVOID HAVING 400 VEHICLE MOVEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD, WE MAY NOT ALL REALIZE ARE OCCURRING [00:25:01] ON THE AREA ROADS. IN ORDER TO BOTTLE COKE, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE FIZZ IN ORDER TO HAVE FIZZ. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GENERATE IT YOURSELF, YOU GOTTA TRUCK IT IN, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE 400 VEHICULAR MOVEMENTS A YEAR GOING IN AND OUT OF 200 VEHICLES GOING IN AND 200 VEHICLES GOING OUT OF THIS SITE. THAT CAN, THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED BY DOING THIS. SO WE CAN BRING UP THE SITE PLAN. UM, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE TOLD I SHOULD HAVE CLUED YOU IN TO DO THAT. UM, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE MATERIALS. UH, MARK AND HIS TEAM MADE SURE TO PUT TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE, UM, SERIES OF MATERIALS. YOU HAVE. YOU SHOULD HAVE, I THINK ON YOUR COVER SHEET, YES, YOU SHOULD HAVE ON YOUR COVER SHEET. UM, RIGHT THERE. UH, THAT IS OUR, UH, EXISTING SURVEY, UH, OF THE SITE. AS I SAID, 22 ACRES, UM, A RATHER LARGE, UH, SIGNIFICANT BUILDING. THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THAT YELLOW RECTANGULARISH AREA IS THE ONLY AREA THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH. WE'RE TECHNICALLY HERE FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL BECAUSE THE INSTALLATION THAT LIBERTY KOCH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH CLARK ENERGY AND EI UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING HAVE DETERMINED THAT IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR THESE INSTALLATIONS TO BE LOCATED. THESE INSTALLATIONS, WHICH VISHNU WILL WALK YOU THROUGH BRIEFLY, UM, ARE THE, THE GUTS OF THE CO-GENERATION THAT'S NECESSARY IN CONNECTION WITH THAT. THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA OUT THERE, SO THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA. UH, THE SITE IS OBVIOUSLY OCCUPIED NOW AND, UM, THERE ARE A FEW PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED BY THE INSTALLATION OF A PAD. IF THIS IS APPROVED, THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING AT THIS SITE AS, UH, DYLAN AND MARK AND OTHERS CAN EXPLAIN IF NECESSARY. AND ONE OF THE CRITICAL ISSUES THAT WAS RAISED PRELIMINARILY BY YOUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AND BY YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF WAS VEHICULAR CIRCULATION. UM, MR. CANNINGS OFFICE DID AN INITIAL REVIEW OF OUR, UH, OF LEE, ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT TRUCK CIRCULATION AT THE PROPERTY. UM, WE VERY PROMPTLY PROVIDED INFORMATION FROM MR. WALSH'S COMPANY, UH, AND I, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS A BRIEF SITE INSPECTION DONE TODAY BY SOME OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF. I THINK AARON WAS OUT THERE. I THINK AMANDA WAS OUT THERE. UM, I BELIEVE THEY SAW A LIVE DEMONSTRATION OF VEHICULAR MOVEMENT. SO I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOUR OWN STAFF TO, UM, ADVISE YOU. TRUCKS COME AND GO. THEY COME AND GO SAFELY TODAY. THEY WILL COME AND GO SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY. UM, TOMORROW, UH, WHERE THIS APPROVED, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ASPECT OF THIS APPLICATION, I, FOR ME, FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, IS THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE CO-GENERATION FUNCTIONAL, UM, AND DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY AND SAFELY, WE NEED 2 77 FOOT STACKS OR TOWERS. UM, YOU'VE SEEN THAT IN THE MATERIALS. I POINTED THAT OUT IN MY COVER LETTER. THAT'S CRITICAL. 77 FEET WE'RE IN THE ZONE IN, IN THE PD ZONE, WE'RE ALLOWED 40 FEET IN HEIGHT. SO WE GO INTO THIS KNOWING THAT WE WILL NEED A 37 FOOT HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. CLEARLY, THE SOONER WE KNOW YOUR BOARD'S REACTION AND UNDERSTANDING, THE SOONER YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED 77 FEET, THE BETTER. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW THAT I'M WELL AWARE. I MUCH PREFER COMING BEFORE YOUR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD. UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW HAVING BEEN IN FRONT OF YOUR ZONING BOARD NUMEROUS TIMES, WHEN I GO IN THERE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHILE IT'S NOT THIS POSITIVE, UH, IT DOES CARRY WEIGHT AND, AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING MY CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO HANG. IT'S, UM, ITS HOOK ON. UM, IN ORDER TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT IMPACT. UM, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU LET, LET'S, LET'S JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, MARK. UM, NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S JUST AN AREA ON THE SITE THAT HAPPENS TO BE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A BLOW UP OF THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER OF OUR BUILDING. VISHNU'S GONNA COME BACK TO THAT IN A MOMENT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S THERE. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, I THINK IF YOU SCROLL DOWN. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS, THANK YOU. UM, THIS, THIS THIRD SLIDE I'VE, I'VE ALREADY COVERED. THIS IS, THIS IS THE TRUCK CIRCULATION IN THE, UM, TRUCK, UH, TEMPLATES, UH, THAT WE, THAT WE USE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE VEHICLES CAN MOVE THROUGH THE SITE. THIS, THIS IS ANOTHER ILLUSTRATION OF THE INSTALLATIONS, UH, THAT VISHNU WILL WALK YOU THROUGH IN A MOMENT. UH, WE JUST KIND OF GAVE YOU A, AN OVERVIEW OR A PLAN VIEW OF WHAT ACTUALLY GETS INSTALLED ON THIS PAD. AND THE 77 FOOT STACKS ARE ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER. [00:30:01] WHAT IS THE DIMENSIONS OF THE, OF THE FULL PAD? THE STACKS OF THE HOW, HOW WIDE? YEAH, HOW WIDE ARE THE STACKS? THE 77, THE DIAMETER, THEY'RE ABOUT 12 FEET IN. SO CIRCUM, YEAH. 12 FEET IN DIAMETER DIAMETER. OKAY. SO THIS ILLUSTRATION THAT I, THAT I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR NEXT PAGE. OKAY. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE STACKS. THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. YEAH. UM, THOSE ARE THE TWO STACKS THAT, UH, THAT HAVE TO BE INSTALLED. THAT WE HAVE ONE MORE IMAGE OF THIS. AND THIS IS ANOTHER IMAGE FROM ANOTHER ANGLE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE STACKS OFF TO THE LEFT. SOME OF THE OTHER INSTALLATIONS ARE RIGHT BEFORE YOU. AND ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS WHO I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN ABLE TO ZOOM IN YET, JOE THOMPSON, JOE IS AN ARCHITECT WHO MARK, UH, AND, AND DYLAN BROUGHT ABOARD TO HELP WITH THE VISUAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT FOR THE PROJECT. GARRETT AND AARON WERE KIND ENOUGH IN THE PRE-SUBMISSION CONTEXT TO SHARE WITH ME AND OUR TEAM THAT DOING A VISUAL ANALYSIS WAS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO ANALYZE IN 77 FEET IN HEIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. GARRETT PROVIDED US WITH NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN IN THE AREA THAT HE ASKED THAT WE, UH, PERFORM AN ANALYSIS. WE VERY QUICKLY WENT OUT THERE AND I, AND AGAIN, JOE'S NOT ON, BUT I WILL EXPLAIN THAT JOE, UH, WENT OUT, FLEW A DRONE. UH, WE FLEW THE DRONE DIRECTLY OVER OUR FACILITY AT 77 FEET IN HEIGHT TO SEE THAT'S THIS ONE. SORRY, JUST FOR EVERYONE. THAT'S THIS DOCUMENT. WE FLEW A DRONE ABOVE OUR SITE AT 77 FEET IN HEIGHT TO SEE WHAT WAS VISIBLE FROM 77 FEET IN HEIGHT. AND THEN WE WENT TO, TO NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. WE SHOT FROM NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS LOOKING AT OUR PROPERTY. AND JOE'S OFFICE WAS ABLE TO COMPUTER GENERATE, UM, THE IMAGE OF WHAT WOULD OR WE BELIEVE IN THIS INSTANCE IS MINIMALLY, UH, VISIBLE. I HAVE THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE FOUR SHOT. YES. UM, DOES, IS EVERYTHING VISIBLE YOU MIND IF I, I CAN POINT IT OUT TO YOU. OH, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. OH, OKAY. OKAY. UM, OKAY, HOLD ON ONE, LET ME ASK MINE FIRST. IS EVERYTHING THAT'S VISIBLE ON THE, THESE COMMER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, ARE THERE ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? EXCUSE ME, SIR. IT'S VERY DISTRACTING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING SORRY, PLEASE. ONE, ONE CONVERSATION. OKAY. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, IS THERE ANY SIGHT LINE TO ANY RESIDENTIAL PROP PROPERTIES THAT'S WITHIN REASONABLY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS? NO. ANOTHER PROBLEM? NO. OKAY. OH, OKAY. FOLLOW UP BY THE WAY, IF YOU ANSWER, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC BECAUSE WE'RE ON TELEVISION. SORRY. I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON KIM'S COMMENTS. OKAY. HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. LET LET HIM HAVE ANSWER. AND THEN MARK, THE QUESTION WAS, IS IT, TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS IT VISIBLE FROM ANY ADJACENT OR NEARBY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? UH, NO, IT'S NOT. SO THE SUBSEQUENT PAGES THAT ARE ON IN THIS PAMPHLET WILL INDICATE THE DISTANCES AND THE LOCATIONS AND THE HEIGHT OF, OF, OF DRONE PICTURES. AND IT SHOWS IN THE DISTANCE WHERE THE COCA-COLA PLANT IS. OKAY. SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE PICTURES HERE ARE HIDDEN BY NATURAL LANDSCAPE. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE ONES UP CLOSER. WE DID 20 FOOT HIGH, 30 FOOT HIGH, 70 FOOT HIGH, AND A HORIZONTAL DISTANCE UP TO A HALF A MILE AWAY. OKAY. SO THEY, THEY THEY PRETTY DEPICT EXACTLY WHAT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK THE PHOTOGRAPHS, AND AGAIN, WE'LL OVER AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS CAREFULLY. YOUR CONSULTANT, UH, OR CERTAINLY THE TOWN STAFF DOES, WE THINK WHAT BECOMES ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IS THAT THE HIGH POWER TENSION LINES IN AND AROUND THE AREA THAT'S VISIBLE FROM QUITE A DISTANCE. WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE HEIGHT OF THOSE HIGH TENSION LINES, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY DOING THE SAME THING? 'CAUSE YOU HAVE IT HERE, THEY'RE SET ABOVE THIS SITE. WELL, THEY'RE ON A, THEY'RE CERTAINLY ABOVE 77 FEET IN HEIGHT. I, AND AND THEY'RE AND THEY ARE STRUCTURED TOO. THEY'RE NOT JUST LINES. CORRECT. ED, THERE'S WALTER'S COMMENT, MONA, THAT DIDN'T YOU? OKAY. AND THEN LESLIE, MOST THE TIME I SPENT REVIEWING THIS, MY CONCERN WAS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. WATCH HILL CONDOMINIUMS BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS COMMERCIAL. MM-HMM. . AND WHAT WAS THE LINE OF SIGHT BETWEEN AND ACTUALLY, UH, SEVEN, FIVE AND SEVEN? I MEAN, UH, THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY. UH, SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD IS VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF. SO ON THE BASIS OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, [00:35:01] I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROPOSAL. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND, AND LOOK AT THE MORE GRANULAR EFFECT. AND TO ME, THE MOST, UH, THE, THE KEY THING IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR RESIDENTS? SO THAT WOULD BE THE AREA THAT YOU LABELED NUMBER ONE, THE LABEL YOU LABELED NUMBER FIVE AND THE AREA THAT YOU LABELED NUMBER SEVEN. YEAH. SO THOSE VIEWS ARE LABELED INSIDE. YEAH. EACH VIEW, EACH VIEW IS IDENTIFIED AS THOMAS AS INDICATED. WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE CONDOMINIUM. AND THAT'S A VIEW OF A WATER TOWER. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA, SO THE SITE ITSELF IS AT A MUCH LOWER ELEVATION TOWER. HOW FAR, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE? AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME TO THE MIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION. UM, IF YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINEAR DISTANCE IS TO WACHO FROM COKE? ROUGHLY? I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. JUST IF YOU US AN ANSWER THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO. I THINK. OKAY. L LET, LET ME GO AHEAD, WALTER, FINISH. BUT MY, MY CONCERN IS LESS THAN THE ACTUAL DISTANCE BEAVER, WHATEVER THE DISTANCE IS. MY WHICH SISTER? MY FOCUS IS WHAT WILL OH, AT WA HILL C. LOOK AT THE RED LOOK AT WHICH RED. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS IN, THAT'S GONNA BE THE 700. THIS IS, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. IT SAYS LOCATION ONE. OKAY. LOCATION ONE IS WATCH. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, OKAY. OKAY, HANG ON. WE, WE, WE WANNA TRY TO RESPOND TO THE CHAIRMAN'S QUESTION FIRST. SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT MEASUREMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE THINK IT'S AROUND A QUARTER MILE AWAY. BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ANSWER. YEAH. DO THAT. SO ALLOW US WHEN WE COME BACK IN OUR NEXT, I WANT TO CONFIRM IT. ARE YOU FOLKS LIVING WACHO BY ANY CHANCE THAT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS, OKAY, THEY SEE YOU INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT? THIS IS THIS, THIS RED IS WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE FROM MARCH SHOW. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S THE, AT 77, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SAY. IT'S 77 FEET. IF YOU'RE A GROUND LEVEL, YOU'RE GONNA SEE MUCH LESS 'CAUSE THERE'S TREES. YEP. AND OTHER THINGS, IF YOU'RE UP 77 FEET, YOU SEE A LOT FARTHER. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE JUST SEEING THIS. THIS WAS JUST SUBMITTED. CORRECT? UM, MARK, YOU WILL CONFIRM FOR ME, 'CAUSE AGAIN, OUR VISUAL CONSULTANT WAS NOT ABLE TO GET HERE AT THIS TIME. THIS ACTUALLY IS DESIGNED TO SHOW YOU IT'S AT THIS ELEVATION, BUT IT'S OBSTRUCTED. THIS IS AN OBSTRUCTED VIEW, RIGHT? NO, NO ONE WILL SEE THIS. THEY WILL ONLY SEE THE WATER TOWER. OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE. GOT IT. I'D LIKE YOU TO GIVE ME THE SAME EXPLANATION FOR FIVE AND SEVEN. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HIM. GIVE US A MOMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, WALTER, FORMER CHAIRMAN FOREMAN, IT'S, IT'S A KNEE JERK REACTION. CHAIRMAN OF EMERITUS. ALRIGHT, GO AGAIN. IF YOU LOOK AT FIVE, IF YOU'RE DOWN CLOSER TO THE GROUND, THERE'S BUILDINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE IN BETWEEN COURSE. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE. YEAH, I SEE WHERE THEY'RE, I THINK THAT IS CORRECT. YOU DIDN'T MARK IT IN RED ON THIS ONE, BUT I SEE WHERE IT'S, OKAY, I SEE IT. FIVE INTERSECTION OF BEAVER HILL ROAD, SELMA RIVER ROAD FIVE. YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING. OKAY. IT'S TOTALLY FIVE FIVE. IT'S, IT'S REALLY QUITE DISTANT. OKAY. AND SEVEN, I GET, I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME. SEVEN SEVEN IS THE SAME. AND, AND WHILE HE'S FLIPPING, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW, UM, THERE WAS AN EARLIER ITERATION OF, OF THIS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD THE STACKS IN RED. UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT COCA-COLA, BUT THAT'S FROM WHERE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE STACKS IN RED. MM-HMM. , WE LOOKED AT THE, THE VISUAL AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL VISUAL IMPACT BY TAKING THE RED COLOR OUT OF THOSE TALL STACKS. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND GOING WITH A MORE STAINLESS TYPE OF, UH, FINISH AND IT ALLOWS IT TO BLEND IN. AND, AND, AND DYLAN UH, WAS SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED THAT WE WERE NOT HELPING ADDITIONAL BRANDING AT THAT POINT. UM, BUT UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE TRYING TO COME FORWARD WITH THE TOWN WITH A SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL VARIANCE REQUEST AND TRYING TO MITIGATE. SO, UM, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT. WELL, WE'D DO IT IN COKE CAN RED, YOU'D SEE IT, YOU'D SEE IT. IT'D PROBABLY BE MORE VISIBLE. I COULD, I UNDERSTAND WHY. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ELIMINATED THAT AGAINST THE GUY PARTICULARLY GONNA THE GRAIL BLEND IN. ABSOLUTELY. BUT AS A FORMER MARKETER, I AGREE. MISSED OPPORTUNITY. SO IF HE DID MR. ASK STEINS ON THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT. CAN I ASK MY QUESTION PLEASE? YES, SIR. MA'AM, THANK YOU. CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHEN THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF FOLIAGE ON THE TREE. THEY WERE TAKEN ABOUT A WEEK OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. TWO WEEKS AGO. OKAY. THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH. THIS WAS VERY RECENT. LESLIE, DID YOU IT WAS ALL POST POSTLE DROP. SO WHATEVER'S THERE IS THERE. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO ONES. THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST TIME OF YEAR. I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION FOR, FOR THE REASON THAT MONA, WE WERE NOT, WE [00:40:01] WERE NOT TRYING TO USE A, YOU KNOW, LOVELY JULY DAY WITH FULL LEAF. THIS, THIS IS WHATEVER, WHATEVER NON DECIDUOUS TREES ARE OUT THERE. THEY'RE OUT THERE. OKAY. LESLIE. UM, SO YOU DID ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF IT. THIS IS A WATER TOWER. I WASN'T SURE WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. OKAY. I WASN'T EITHER. YEAH. AND, AND, BUT THIS IS A, A DIFFERENT, THE NORMAL WATER TOWERS ARE ALSO HIGH, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THEY LIKE 50? THAT'S RAISED UP QUITE A BIT. THAT'S, SO THAT'S PROBABLY ON THE ORDER OF 50 FEET AND AT A VERY HIGH POINT IN TOWN. YEAH. AND I WOULD THINK IT MIGHT EVEN BE TALLER THAN 50 FEET. THE ELECTRICAL TOWERS HAVE TO BE UP 60, 70 FEET TALL TOO, I WOULD THINK. YEAH. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SO THE HIGH TENSION TIRES, IMAGE NUMBER 1, 2, 2 AND THREE, YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE STANCHION TOWERS, THE HIGH, UH, TRANSMISSION. ROB, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT MM-HMM. . IT DEPENDS HOW CLOSE YOU CAN SEE THEM IN RELATION TO THE HEIGHT OF, OF THESE. JUST SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ADD, HE, THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S UP THERE NOW, UHHUH SHOWS THE HEIGHT OF THE ELECTRICAL TOWERS AND YOU SEE THE CIRCLE WAY IN THE FOREGROUND THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE PLANT IS. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT, WHAT OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS JUST SHARED IT. AND AGAIN, HE DID NOT GO OUT AND MEASURE ANY OF THESE. HEY GUY, WHAT PLEASE ANY OF THESE ELECTRICAL TOWERS SPECIFICALLY A TYPICAL HIGH TENSION WIRE TOWER IS USUALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A HUNDRED FEET IN H OKAY. SO AGAIN, I'M, WE, BEFORE THE RECORD ON THIS MATTER CLOSES, WE WILL HAVE EXACT HEIGHTS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER. JUST I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION. ONE THING YOU'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL O OVER THE YEARS, MRS. DIAMONDS, UH, IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING TOWNS ARE DOING IN TERMS OF THIS. UM, THIS IS IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT. IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AND, AND ARE THERE, IF, IF YOU COME AT, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO US MM-HMM. , UM, ARE THERE REGULATIONS ABOUT STACKS VERSUS BUILDINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY, THIS IS THE SECOND PROJECT WITH YOU IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WHERE WE'VE HAD A HEIGHT ISSUE. THE ONE, THE STORAGE ONE AND THEN THIS ONE, UH, WHERE WE WERE WAY OUTTA WHACK WITH ELMSFORD WITH OTHERS. YES. WITH ELMER FOR SURE. MM-HMM. , I'D LIKE TO, IF, IF YOU DID IT FOR US SOME PARKING, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE SOME ANALYSIS ON THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I WILL. BUILDING HEIGHTS. SO I, I WILL CERTAINLY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH AN EXPLANATION OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. YES. AND WHAT THE HEIGHTS ARE. UM, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, WE DID LEARN THAT GREENBURG'S, INDUSTRIAL ORIENTED ZONING DISTRICTS ARE SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE IN SOME OF THE ELEMENTS WHEN WE COMPARE THEM TO OTHERS. SO LET ME, LET ME EXPLORE THAT AS WELL. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. LESLIE, YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO IT HAD TO DO WITH THE STACKS AND THE COAL GENERATION OR C H P I WAS WONDERING YOU, 'CAUSE I'M, FROM WHAT I'M READING, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE ELECTRIC FEE FOR THE ENTIRE PLANT. ALMOST THE ENTIRE PLANT. YES. OKAY. UM, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING IT STACKED BUT HAVING IT, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE CO-GENERATION THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GENERATE THE ELECTRICITY, THE HEATING AND THE COOL. NO, NO, NO. NOT NOT USING CO-GENERATION. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN CO-GENERATION IN BUILDINGS, RIGHT? SO IN BUILDINGS THAT DID NOT USE STACKS. SO IF THAT WAS ANOTHER OPTION IN TERMS OF VISHNU, MAYBE THIS IS A PERFECT TIME FOR YOU TO COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE AMOUNT IS TOO MUCH. BUT, SO ALLOW US TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION THOROUGHLY. THANK YOU. I THINK A FEW OF US WANTED TO KNOW. THERE WAS A SIMILAR QUESTION ASKED AT THE SITE VISIT. OH, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE? NO, THAT'S OKAY. YOU WEREN'T THERE. OKAY. LET'S KEEP TO ONE CONVERSATION PLEASE. THANK YOU. HI EVERYBODY. MY NAME'S VISHNU BARRON. I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED CLARK ENERGY. UM, WE'RE AN INTERNATIONAL CO-GENERATION COMPANY. UM, BEEN IN THE US FOR FIVE YEARS. UM, AND WE BUILT PROJECTS OF THIS NATURE AND WE'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED BY LIBERTY COAT TO DELIVER THIS SOLUTION. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM, TYPICAL CO-GENERATION PLANTS, UM, BASICALLY MANUFACTURE UTILITIES, RIGHT? ELECTRICAL AND THERMAL. THIS IS ACTUALLY A TRI GENERATION SYSTEM. IT'S ACTUALLY A QUAD GENERATION SYSTEM. OKAY. SO THE TRI GENERATION PORTION IS WE'RE MAKING ELECTRICAL ENERGY. SO CODE GENERATIONS ELECTRICAL ENERGY AND THERMAL ENERGY. SO A TYPICAL POWER STATION THROWS AWAY THE THERMAL WHEN IT MAKES, UM, ELECTRICITY IN OUR APPLICATION, WE RECOVER THAT. SO IT'S A HIGHLY EFFICIENT AND HIGHLY SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION. WE'VE GONE TO THE NEXT STEP TO GO TO TRI GENERATION. AND, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE'RE TAKING A PORTION OF THAT HEAT AND IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A CHEMICAL REACTION. IT'S, IT'S A SALT REACTION. SO THERE'S A, A SALT SALINE CHILLER FOR WANT OF A BETTER WORD. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT ISN'T CREATING A CHEMICAL REACTION WITH THE SODIUM CHLORIDE. IT'S, IT'S UH, BASICALLY IT, IT, THE WAY I LIKE TO SAY IT TO PEOPLE THE SIMPLE WAY. SO WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND I GREW UP [00:45:01] IN ENGLAND, UM, MY FATHER WAS INTO CAMERAS AND HE WOULD HAVE THIS GLASS BOWL ON OUR DINING ROOM TABLE. AND IN THE BOTTOM OF THE GLASS BOWL YOU HAD A BLUE DESICCANT. AND THE NATURE OF THAT BLUE DESICCANT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GLASS BOWL WAS PERT. IT HAD HOLES IN IT. AND WHEN HE WAS DOING HIS CAMERA SHOTS, HE PUT THE CAMERAS IN THERE AND IT WOULD TAKE THE MOISTURE OUT OF THE CAMERA SO THAT THE CAMERA LASTED A LONG TIME. SO IT'S BASICALLY A GLORIFIED VERSION OF THAT. OKAY. SO IT TAKES HEAT AND IT CONVERTS HEAT INTO CHILLED WATER. IN THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS FOR COCA-COLA TODAY, THEY BUY POWER, THEY USE BOILERS TO MAKE THERMAL ENERGY AND THEN THEY HAVE ELECTRICAL DRIVEN CHILLERS. SO THIS WOULD OFFSET ALL OF THAT AND THEY WOULD MAKE THEIR OWN. SO IT'S HIGHLY, HIGHLY, ACTUALLY ON PAPER IT'S OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT EFFICIENT, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST . SO THE FOURTH PIECE OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS EXTREMELY UNIQUE, IS C TWO CREATING C O TWO. SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A ANY TYPE OF PROCESS, COMBUSTION PROCESS, YOU, THE BYPRODUCT OF THAT IS C O TWO. UM, AND THIS APPLICATION, THOSE TOWERS, UM, ARE TAKING THAT C O TWO WASHING IT AND MAKING IT INTO A BEVERAGE GRADE F D A COMPLIANT PRODUCT. WHICH IS HOW MR. STEINMAN UM, MENTIONED THAT, UM, HOW THEY DO THE F TODAY IS THEY PURCHASE THAT C O TWO FROM UH, UH, INJECTED US SUPPLIERS WHO BRING IT IN ON TRUCKS. UM, THEY HAVE 400 PLUS DELIVERIES. 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY BIG, UH, MANUFACTURING PLANT. COKE OWNS A LOT OF OTHER PRODUCTS TOO THAT ARE ALL MADE AT THIS PLANT TOO. UM, SO THE STACKS, UM, THE ORIGINAL STACKS WERE ACTUALLY 120 FEET AND WE REDESIGNED THEM BY INCREASING THE DIAMETER TO BRING THEM DOWN TO THE SHORTEST THAT WE COULD IN FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT TO ALLOW THE PROCESS TO HAPPEN MM-HMM. , BUT TO MINIMIZE THE HEIGHT AS MUCH AS WE COULD. UM, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ARE RECOVERING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE C O TWO, NOT 90%, A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO THERE WILL BE NO C O TWO EMISSIONS AND WE'RE TURNING THAT INTO A USEFUL PRODUCT THAT CAN BE USED BY COCOA COLA AT THE SOURCE, AT THE POINT OF SOURCE. OKAY. LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUE QUESTION AND THEN MONA, I SEE YOUR HAND, GIVEN EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING BETWEEN SAVING THE, THE TRUCKS, ELIMINATING THE BOILER. RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE NET IS? IS THERE A NET DECREASE IN, IN EMISSIONS FROM, FROM AS AS IT IS CURRENT EXISTING CONDITIONS? YES. YES I DO ACTUALLY. IT'S ABOUT, UM, ONCE YOU RECOVER THE C O TWO, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 1,250 TONS OF C O TWO REDUCTION. WOW. A YEAR. IT'S MASSIVE. YES. WE CAN TRANSLATE IT TO TREES . WELL THAT'S EASY. IF YOU GO ON THE EPA WEBSITE, YOU PLUG IN THAT NUMBER AND IT'LL TELL YOU HOW MANY TREES YOU'RE SAVING, HOW MANY CARS YOU'RE DOING. MM-HMM. IT'S A MASSIVE, MASSIVE NUMBER. MOTO IS FIRST IN WALTER. YEAH. SO YOU SAID YOU REDUCED THE HEIGHT. YES. BY UM, 50 WIDENING THE TOWEL. CAN YOU, YOU CAN'T REDUCE IT ANYMORE. NO. YOU SURE. SO WE, EVERYTHING'S, YES. I'M VERY SURE WE'VE DONE THIS ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD. YEAH. UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY THE ONLY COMPANY THAT'S DONE THE ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, . SO YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET IT IN. WE CAN'T. NO. WHICH WE WOULD IF WE COULD, WE WOULD BELIEVE ME. AND THERE'S ALSO A A, AN ISSUE WITH THAT TOO BECAUSE IT, IF YOU COULD, 'CAUSE IT WOULD GET BIGGER AND THEN THE FOOTPRINT IT WOULD TAKE WOULD ACTUALLY WOULDN'T IMPEDE ON THE TRAFFIC, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT IT ALL IN. YOU STILL, YOU NEED THE SERVICE STACK. LIKE WHAT IF WE GIVE YOU A THIRD STACK AND YOU STILL COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THIS, IT IS FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THERE'S BASICALLY, UM, ONE COMPANY IN THE WORLD THAT IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING THIS SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BUILT THIS PROJECT IN OTHER COUNTRIES BEFORE AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE UL CERTIFICATION. ALL THE ASME EIGHT, DIVIV ONE AND DIV TWO COMPLIANCES. THEY MEET THE I S B T STANDARDS FOR BEVERAGES. AND THEN HIGHER STANDARD THAN THAT IS COCA-COLA STANDARDS FOR THE QUALITY OF THE C O TWO. SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF STICK WITHIN ALL OF THOSE PARAMETERS, WHICH LEAVES US WHERE WE ARE TODAY. ONE MORE, I JUST CHECKING . WAIT, WALTER WAS ENTERED. OH GOOD. WAL WALTER WAS FIRST IN LET, OKAY. I'M FAMILIAR WITH COAL GENERATION THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING ABOUT TRI GENERATION. DO YOU HAVE A CHEMICAL FLOW SHEET THAT ONE COULD FOLLOW TO SEE ALL THE REACTIONS? AND I'D BE INTERESTED IN GETTING A COPY OF THAT AND, AND JUST TO, IF I MAY CORRECT YOU, IT'S QUAD GENERATION. OKAY. , A FLOW SHEET WILL BE MORE THAN TRI GENERATION. UM, I'VE PERSONALLY DONE NEARLY 600 CO-GENERATION PROJECTS IN NINE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. SO I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. OKAY. SO THERE'S A, [00:50:01] THE QUAD GEN IS THE C O TWO PIECE. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL SUPPLY THAT. WE CAN SEE I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE ONE AND, AND, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ANIMATIONS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED THAT, THAT SHOW HOW IT WORKS. UM, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION AND EXPLAINING THE C O T PART IS DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN. MY LAST QUESTION, UM, DOES THIS EFFECT, AND THIS IS MIGHT BE A REACH, UH, ANY OF THE WATER WASTEWATER AT ALL, SO YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING IT'S A COMPLETELY CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM. MM. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE INSTALL ONCE IT'S INSTALLED, UM, WOULD BE COMPLETELY HYDRAULICALLY SEPARATED FROM ANY OTHER ITEM. MM-HMM. AND THERE IS NO WASTE PRODUCTION OF ANY KIND. WHERE HAS, WE HAVEN'T HAVE OUR FIRE DISTRICT LOOK AT THIS YET. YES. THEY WERE HIT TODAY. THEY WERE OUT, THEY WERE. SO WE'RE WAITING FOR AN OPINION FROM THEM. MM-HMM. IF THERE'S ANY, ANY FROM, FROM WHAT YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIAL THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS TO DO IF SOMETHING, IF SOMETHING EXISTS? SO EVERYTHING ON THE PROJECTS IS, IT HAS WHAT WE HAS ITS OWN FIRE ALARM SYSTEM. FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AND, AND THERE'S STUFF INSIDE A LOT OF IT, THE, THE MAJOR EQUIPMENT IS CONTAINED. UM, SO IT HAS SIRENS, VISUAL 'CAUSE WE DO THIS STUFF. THE COMPANY I WORK FOR, WE WORK IN 28 COUNTRIES, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M BASED HERE, BUT WE DO THIS STUFF ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT'S, IT, WE'VE GOT THE PRODUCTS IN SUCH A STANDARD, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE UL CERTIFIED AND EVERYTHING, SO THERE'S VISUAL NOISE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES. AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT THEY CALL GAS SNIFFERS INSIDE OF THE, THE BOXES AS WELL. SO SHOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT SHUTS EVERYTHING DOWN STRAIGHT AWAY. OKAY. SO THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. TOM, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. UM, HAVE YOU DONE IT BEFORE? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN TESTED. IT'S BEEN REFINED AND IT'S, YES. WE'RE THE, ACTUALLY THE ONLY COMPANY THAT'S DONE IT BEFORE, THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE THE FIRST ONE OF ITS KIND IN THE US BECAUSE OF THE QUAD, BECAUSE OF THE, THE C C O TWO RECOVERY'S BEEN DONE A LOT, UM, ON, ON BOILERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. BUT NEVER, NOT IN THE US. WE'VE DONE IT ON THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. WE'VE DONE IT FOR COCA-COLA ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD TOO. ANYTHING ELSE? BECAUSE I, WE HAVE A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING, A LOT OF HOUSEKEEPING TO DO NOW I JUST GOT ONE THING TO ADD. SURE. COME ON UP PLEASE. I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE BRANDING PART OF IT, WHERE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS PLAN, THE 2 77 FOOT STACKS WERE IN RED. RIGHT. SO WE ALL DECIDED TO TAKE THAT AWAY. BUT THE ONE OTHER TOWER THAT, IT'S NOT A TOWER BUT IT'S A, A CONDENSATE TANK. IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE TANKS THAT ARE PRESENTLY THERE NOW ARE 40 FEET HIGH. THIS ONE WOULD BE A 37 FOOT HIGH. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BOARD CONSIDER US DOING THE, THE COCA-COLA BRANDING ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE. THAT'S ALL, BUT NOT ON THE VERY TALL ONES. THAT'S ALL THAT'S A ZONING, IT'S A ZONING COMPLIANT STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. YES. OKAY. THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS, THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HERE. OKAY. FIRST ONE IS, UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS IN WORK AT PRE-SESSION, UH, TOM, AMANDA, UH, AARON AND I OF WHO SHOULD BE LEAD AGENCY IN THIS MM-HMM. , UH, IT'S CLEAR TO ME WHO SHOULD BE LEAD AGENCY IN THIS. IT'S US. SO, UM, CAN WE NEED A MOTION TO, TO RECOMMEND OURSELVES AS LEAD, LEAD AGENCY AND DECLARE INTENT. YES. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND IS TOM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. GREAT. OKAY. SO WE'LL CIRCULATE THAT TO INTERESTED IN INVOLVED AGENCIES. OKAY. SO THAT, HOW LONG IS IT? THEY HAVE 30 DAYS. 30 DAYS. OKAY. SO YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GET ON WITH THE ZONING BOARD UNTIL MARCH. UH, YEAH. THE, THE, THE MEETING IN MARCH, WHICH IS THE THIRD WEEK IN MARCH. SO, UM, WHAT I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF POSSIBLE IS SEE IF WE CAN TRACK TO GET ON THE FEBRUARY AGENDA OF THE ZONING BOARD. THOUGH THEY WOULD PRESUMABLY, IF THERE'S NO COMPLETION OF THE 30 DAY CIRCULATION, THEN THEY WOULDN'T VOTE UNTIL THE MARCH MEETING. THAT THE REASON IS WE CAN'T, WE COULDN'T DO SEEKER UNDERSTOOD WITH THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S SO THE ONLY REASON MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SUGGESTING THIS AND, AND DYLAN YOU CAN STOP ME AT ANY TIME. I THINK LIBERTY KOCH WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO POSITION THEMSELVES TO ADVANCE THIS AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AND EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. UNDERSTANDING, AND I'VE EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS A 30 DAY CLOCK AND UNLESS ALL OF THE INVOLVED AND INTEREST AGENCIES WROTE YOU LETTERS SAYING WE WAIVE AND YOU CAN BE LEAD AGENCY. I, I MEAN IF WE, IF WE GOT THE, I TELL RIGHT NOW IF WE GOT THOSE BACK IN QUICKLY SOMEHOW BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH I DEALT, WHICH IS FEBRUARY 1ST, BUT WE SHOULD GET 'EM BACK BY THE 15, BY THE 15TH IS OUR SECOND MEETING MM-HMM. . SO I WOULD THINK AT THAT SECOND MEETING, UH, WE COULD DO SEEKER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AT THE SECOND MEETING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO, TO DO THE FEBRUARY, TO DO THE, THE FEBRUARY MEETING. 17TH [00:55:01] IS THAT WHEN THE ZONING BOARD IS SIX? 16TH. 16TH THE DAY AFTER AUGUST. OKAY. WHICH WOULD WORK. THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. I LOOK, I, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I DID THAT WITH YOU ONCE BEFORE WHERE I LITERALLY GOT THE, I I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE. I WOULD, IF WE CAN STAY ON TRACK FOR THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT. I I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY OUT OF OUR HANDS. IT'S, IT'S, WE'LL GET THE LETTER OUT TOMORROW AND, AND SEE HOW FAST PEOPLE RESPOND TO IT. I I MEAN I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THE ZONING BOARD'S GONNA, I KNOW IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THEY'RE GONNA, WE END UP BEING LEAD AGENCY MOST OF THE, OF COURSE THESE PROJECTS ANYWAY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT WE NEED TO OFFICIAL CARD, WE NEED TO GET THE OFFICIAL WORD FROM THEM. SO. UNDERSTOOD. SO MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS, AMANDA, THAT YOU COULD BE HELPFUL ON IS IF THE, IF, IF YOU AND STAFF THINK THAT THE ZONING BOARD IS GOING TO BE A TWO NIGHT EVENT REGARDLESS, THEN I REALLY WOULD LIKE ON BEHALF OF, UM, DYLAN AND, AND LIBERTY KOCH TO TRY TO BE ON A FEBRUARY AGENDA SO THAT WE'RE POSITIONED FOR MARCH. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, AND THAT'S SO, SO I WOULD ASK YOU, YOU ALL THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, YOU ALL CAN, WE CAN GET BACK TO ONE ANOTHER, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR NEXT MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT IT, AT LEAST IT TEASES US UP FOR MARCH. I I'M THINKING THOUGH IF RIGHT, IF WE CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION THERE BEFORE THAT. YES. OKAY. UH, I, AGAIN, THAT OTHER STUFF, I, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON UH, THIS MR. THOMPSON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. YES. UM, I THINK THIS ANALYSIS IS A VERY GOOD ANALYSIS. GIVES US A VERY GOOD IDEA OF THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE, WHEN YOU READ THE, WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE STUFF, THE FIRST THING YOU HIT YOU IN THE FACE. YEAH. IS 30 FEET OVER OUR OUR UH, YES. ALMOST THOUGH. YEAH. OKAY. SO I GUESS SOMEBODY WAS UPSET ABOUT IT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE IT AND SEE THE VISUALS, YOU UNDERSTAND BETTER WHERE IT'S AT. SO LET'S GET THE LETTER UP TOMORROW AND UH, WE'LL WE'LL GO FROM THERE. WE'LL DO TWO THINGS. I WANTED GO AHEAD AND WE HAVE THE FOLLOW UP THAT WE WILL GET THAT FLOW DIAGRAM THAT'S . YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA GET THE FLOW FLOW CHART DIAGRAM. AND, AND I'M GONNA DO SOME HOMEWORK FOR TAKE THE MAN, THE CHAIRMAN ON THE HEIGHT IN OTHER INDUSTRIAL COASTS. YOU TAKE THE MAN ON A C BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE, LOOK, WHAT DID I SAY WHEN I STARTED? I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I, I GET EXCITED ABOUT, I GET PASSIONATE ABOUT, BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY ONE I THINK WE CAN ALL THIS IS A SPECIAL PROJECT. IT'S ENJOYABLE. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ALL ARE USED TO DEALING WITH. AND WE KNOW, YOU CERTAINLY TELL MY CLIENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS, GREEN SUSTAINABLE UH, RENEWABLE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL THAT TO THIS CLIENT. THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO DO. IT'S ALSO WAY ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN. AARON HAS TWO IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HE IS ONE, WE DO HAVE MR. CANNING AVAILABLE JUST TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT HIS OBSERVATIONS TODAY. SURE. BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY DID A GREAT JOB OUT IN THE FIELD. AND THEN SECOND WOULD BE, HAVE YOU FILED ANY PAPERWORK WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS OF YET? SO WE JUST GOT THE DENIAL AND NO, WE HAVE NOT FILED AN APPLICATION, SO LET'S COORDINATE TOMORROW. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. UM, ONE, ONE THING REALLY QUICK. SO ON YOUR RESEARCH REGARDING OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WITH THE HEIGHT SURE. OF INDUSTRIAL, I WOULD FOCUS ON TOWERS AND INDUSTRIAL TOWERS. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. INSTEAD OF JUST, I LIKE THE OTHER INFORMATION FOR OTHER REASONS TOO, BECAUSE GENERALLY, SO HAPPY TO AMANDA. I, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU, I SUSPECT THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SEE ZONING CODES THAT DIFFERENTIATE THE TOWER FROM ANY OTHER STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT. BUT LET'S SEE. I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON IT. AN IDEA IN A WAY I COULD THINK ABOUT IT. THERE'S NO QUESTION. AND I, AND I WILL, I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE, THE PLACES THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK FOR THAT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO DOWN COUNTY INTO THE URBAN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE LARGER MANUFACTURING FACILITIES THAN WE DO NORTH OF 2 87. SO, UM, SO I'M, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING IN YONKERS, UM, WHERE HEL CERTAIN HEIGHT VERSUS US, THEY WERE, IN TERMS OF THIS SELF STORAGE, I COULD GO TO 120 OR 150 FEET. IT WAS EL ELSE WAS, THAT'S WHY LESLIE, THAT PREDATES YOU ON THE BOARD. THERE WAS A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE IN THE HEIGHT, UM, FROM, FROM OURS, WHICH IS 40, WHATEVER, FOUR FEET. BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THOSE KIND OF AREAS. HASTINGS EXACTLY. PARKING IS, ALTHOUGH HASTINGS DOES HAVE THAT. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY? NO, THAT WAS IT. JUST MR. CANNING. JOHN. GOOD EVENING. MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UH, YES. WE WERE ASKED TO REVIEW THE TRUCK CIRCULATION PLANS, UM, AS THE NEW FACILITY WILL BE REPLACING SOME TRAILER STORAGE EFFECTIVELY THAT OCCURS ON THE SITE NOW. UH, WE REVIEWED THE PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. WE RAN SOME TURNING TEMPLATES OF OUR OWN. UH, WE CONFIRMED FOR OURSELVES THAT, UH, THE LARGEST TRACTOR TRAILERS WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE WESTERN MOST LOADING DOCKS AT THAT LOCATION. AND WE WERE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, UH, TRACTOR TRAILERS MIGHT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE EASTERN LOADING DOCKS, BUT WE WERE CONCERNED THEY MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY DOING THAT. AT THE SITE MEETING TODAY, WE EXPRESSED THIS CONCERN TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM, AND THE [01:00:01] APPLICANT'S TEAM INDICATED THAT THE WESTERNMOST LOADING DOCKS ARE THERE, AND I'M GOING TO MESS THIS UP, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHORT TERM LOADING DOCKS WHERE THE TRAILERS ARE LOADED TO ROLL IN AND ROLL OUT. AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE TRACTOR TRAILERS USE THOSE DOCKS. THE, THE ONES THAT WE HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT, ARE THERE LONGER TERM. SO TYPICALLY WHAT THEY DO, OR PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE TIME, WHAT THEY DO FOR THOSE STOCKS IS THE TRACTOR TRAILER COMES IN. THEY'VE GOT A DESIGNATED AREA ON THE SITE WHERE THEY DECOUPLE THE TRAILER FROM THE CAB AND THEY ATTACH IT TO A SHUNTING, UH, VEHICLE THAT HAS A MUCH MORE FLEXIBLE AND TIGHTER TURNING RADIUS. AND SO THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, TO ACCESS THE, AND THEY CURRENTLY DO ACCESS THE LOADING DOCKS USING THAT, UH, METHOD AND NOT TO, UH, S SHORTCHANGE US ON OUR SITE VISIT. THEY ROUNDED UP A SHUNT VEHICLE AND DROVE IT UP, BACKED IT UP TO A TRACTOR TRAILER THAT WAS IN THE LOADING DOCK TODAY. THE DRIVER CAREFULLY DROVE IT OUT, DISAPPEARED TO THE NORTH END OF THE SITE, TURNED AROUND, CAME BACK, DID A FULL 360 DEGREE PIROUETTE IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY INSPECTING THE OUTLINE OF THE LOADING AREA, AND BACKED IN THE TRACTOR TRAILER TO THE, THE BAY THAT HE HAD PULLED IT OUT OF WITHOUT DOING ANY DAMAGE TO ANYONE OR ANYTHING. MR. CAN, MR, BASED ON THAT, MR. CANON, WAS MR. STEINS DRIVING THE TRUCK ? JOHN, DON'T, JOHN, DON'T ANSWER. NO. WE KEPT MR. STEINS AS FAR AWAY FROM THE TRUCK AS POSSIBLE. IN FACT, HE WASN'T EVEN INVITED TO THE SITE, I THINK. THANKS JOHN. UM, , UH, WE DID HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, THERE IS NEW EXPENSIVE AND POTENTIALLY, UM, DANGEROUS EQUIPMENT GOING IN THERE IF IT WERE TO BE STRUCK BY AN ERRAND VEHICLE. SO WE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, THE NEW AREA, I'M ASSUMING THE BOARD APPROVES IT WOULD BE PROTECTED BY A GUIDE RAIL ON SIDES WHERE IT COULD BE STRUCK BY A VEHICLE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT AROUND. YOU CAN HAVE BRAKES IN IT, SO YOU, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN WALK IN AND OUT TO SERVICE IT. UM, BUT IT, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT BE THERE TO PROTECT THE EQUIPMENT. UM, AND WE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF VERY MINOR RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UM, OF LOADING SPACES, UH, OR OF TRAILER SPACES RIGHT AT THE ACCESS TO THAT LOCATION THAT MIGHT, UH, IMPINGE ON, UM, VEHICLES ENTERING OR EXITING. IT'S PROBABLY ONLY ONE OR TWO TRAILERS. SO IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE THOSE TRAILERS. BUT ALL IN ALL, FROM A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PERSPECTIVE, WE NORMALLY, WE REPORT ON OUR TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATES AND, AND THAT'S A COMPUTER ALGORITHM. WE SAW IT IN THE FLESH TODAY. AND THE, THE FACILITY THEY'RE PUTTING IN IS BASICALLY JUST REPLACING THE TRAILERS THAT THEY HAVE PARKED THERE NOW, WHICH STAFF SAW WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE. OKAY. GOOD. GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, JOHN. ANYBODY? YEAH, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. IF THOSE, UH, UH, SCHEMATICS ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE, IF YOU COULD GET 'EM OVER TO AARON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE I CAN, THIS IS EXCITING TECHNOLOGY AND I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTOOD. WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND THE P D F OVER TO STAFF AND GET THAT OUT TO YOU. YEAH. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? HOW DETAILED WOULD YOU LIKE THOSE TO BE? ANOTHER APPLICANT WAITING. SO HOLD ON. THIS MAN IS, SO, ONE LAST THING, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF IN FACT WE DO BRING THIS, THE CARTOON SHOWING OR JUST THE DIAGRAM OF HOW EVERYTHING FLOWS, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY YOU WANT TO MEET WITH VISHNU, WE CAN ARRANGE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN, WE CAN WALK IT THROUGH IF YOU WANT. OKAY, GOOD. IN ADDITION TO US GIVING IT TO YOU AND YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT, WE HAVE A, A NEW COMMITTEE IN TOWN AS SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE COMMITTEE, AND WE'RE VERY GUNG-HO ON DOING THINGS THAT ALLOW PLANT, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, BECOME SELF-SUSTAINABLE IN TERMS OF ENERGY. SO THIS ACTUALLY FITS VERY WELL WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF THAT COMMITTEE, AND THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE HAPPENS TO BE SITTING RIGHT THERE, SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL GET IT TO YOU RIGHT AWAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST FOLLOWING UP, UM, DYLAN REMINDS ME, UH, SUSTAINABLE. WESTCHESTER ALSO IS ONE OF THE OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THAT'S, UH, BEEN CONTACTED AND THEY'RE REALLY FASCINATED BY THIS. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING SOME, SOME SUPPORT FROM SOME OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THAT REALIZE THIS IS CUTTING EDGE, EXCITING AND, AND REALLY AN EMBLEMATIC KIND OF APPLICATION. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILL WE BE DOING A SECOND? WE CAN DO IT. WE'LL DO SAY WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM, UH, FROM THE ZONING PORT, PROBABLY. OKAY. TONY LIKES COKE OR DIET COKE? COKE. ZERO. I'M SORRY. COKE. COKE. ZERO. ALRIGHT, WE WILL, UM, COKE NO SUGAR. I'M SORRY. COKE. NO, WE WILL BE BACK, UH, HOPEFULLY IN THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY. ARRIVE. RIGHT. WE'LL SEE YOU IN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN FEBRUARY. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU IN FEBRUARY AND [01:05:01] FEBRUARY. YEAH. WE WILL GET IT MATERIAL WALTER INTO AARON AND GARRETT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY CAN CIRCULATE. WE'LL SUSPECT IT'LL BE THERE. I DON'T BE ABLE TO BE ON IT FOR THE FIRST. WELL, WE DON'T, WE HAVE SEEING HOW THE CHAIR OF THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY IS HERE, I THINK IT'D BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO FUNNEL IT THROUGH THE CHAIR AND ALL GET SO WELL, WE'RE GONNA SEND IT TO STAFF AND LET'S STAFF SEND IT WHERE THEY NEED TO SEND IT. I GET. OKAY. VERY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE PROCEDURAL QUESTION, DO WE, IS, IS THIS REFERRED TO THE CAC C FOR ANY REASON? DO WE NEED TO WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON TO IT THIS POINT NOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THE PROJECT, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. GREAT. THAT'S, I I DON'T THINK SO. I I DON'T SEE THE THREE TREES COMING OUT. THREE MORE THAN THREE TREES CAN GO, THREE OR MORE TREES GOING BACK IN. IT'S, THAT'S NOT QUITE FAIR TO THEM. THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY HELPFUL WHEN WE DID THE FUEL CELL, THE FUEL CELL ONE IN ON THE BATTERY STORAGE STUFF. THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO WERE CONCERNED WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT NEGATIVELY IN SOME WAY. THIS ONE THAT WE DON'T SEEM AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONCERN. UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN, THERE'LL BE SOME DUE DILIGENCE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US, BUT IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO. THANK YOU. SURE. NO, THEY, THEY ARE VERY HELPFUL TO US. TERRIFIC. THEY REALLY ARE. OKAY. MUCH THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR, YOUR PATIENCE ON THIS ONE. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. I'M STICKING AROUND FOR A LATER ONE. YOU MIGHT WANT GRAB COKE THEN. LET ME JUST CHECK. BUT I'M, WHAT DO WE HAVE? WE'RE NOT MOVING. OH, WE HAVE . OH, THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH THOSE FOLKS. IT'S BOB ONE, ONE MINUTE WE'LL START. OKAY. WHAT'S GOING ON? BOBBY, CAN I MUTE YOURS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU TOO. AND WE DO HAVE MR. A LITTLE BUTTON, RIGHT? CORRECT. ELLIOT, YOU WITH US, ELLIOT? I'M OKAY. WE HEAR YOU. SO WE CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU. DO YOU, OH, IS THAT BACKGROUND OR IS THAT THE ZOOM BACKGROUND? BUMMER. YELLOWSTONE. THAT'S MY, MY PROPERTY. I OWN OUT WEST. VERY NICE. OKAY. I NORMALLY SHOW THE OFFICE. WHAT ARE WE DO WITH HERE? SOHOW? THIS IS THE CHA SUBDIVISION. WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THE NUMBER AND SET IT UP. OKAY. UM, WE'RE IN WORK SESSIONS STILL CHANNEL SUBDIVISION. THIS IS PV 2210. IT'S, UH, A LOT OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND PRE REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, THE CLAYTON ROAD WITH NO NUMBER NEXT TO THREE 15, [01:10:01] AMANDA. SO, UH, DO YOU HAVE SURE. SO BEFORE WE BEGIN, UH, WE'VE BEEN CONDUCTING SOME RESEARCH BY TOWN STAFF LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF, UH, THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE, UH, SUBDIVIDED. AND AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO JUST FOCUS ON THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION BEFORE US KNOWING THAT IT MAY CHANGE DEPENDING UPON, UH, STAFF REVIEW. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE NATURE OF THE CONCERN IS? SO, BECAUSE IT'S NEW TO ME, I I THOUGHT WE HAD ADDRESSED ALL THE CONCERNS, SO I'M CONCERNED WHAT THE NATURE IS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE MERITS, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE ISSUE THAT OH. WITH YOUR PROJECT? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GONNA DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT AND WORK SESSION THIS EVENING AT THIS TIME. EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I, I JUST WAS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE NOT, WHAT WOULD, NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF. OKAY. BUT I, I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT, AT THE 89 9,000 SQUARE FEET. SURE. OKAY. AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S DONE WELL. WALTER, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YOU, YOU, YEAH. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME READING THIS APPLICATION AND I COULDN'T GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, UH, IN ONE PART OF THE APP, PART OF YOUR APPLICATION, YOU ASKING FOR A, A RELIEF, UH, AND, AND, AND THEN THE QUESTION IS RELIEF. AND THEN ANOTHER PART OF THE APPLICATION SAYS THAT THE HOUSE IS, DOES NOT MEET THE, THE SETBACKS. NO. OKAY. LET ME EXPLAIN. OKAY. PLEASE. YEAH, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT THIS IS IS AN APPLICATION TO MERGE THREE VACANT LOTS. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN VACANT. UH, THESE ARE TAX LOTS. UH, AND, UH, THE HOUSE THAT IS SITUATED ON THE DRAWING IS A PRO FORMA HOUSE. UM, TO SHOW THAT THE LOT CAN BE DEVELOPED RESIDENTIALLY, UH, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT. AND, AND, UH, SO ELLIOT DREW THE HOUSE, DREW THE DRAWING, UH, AND, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT THE ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO THE HOUSE AND THE SETBACK CONCERNS AN ADJOINING PROPERTY, UH, A NEIGHBOR, UH, AN ABUTTING PROPERTY. AND, AND, UH, UH, THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT, UH, UH, TOWN STAFF IS AWARE, AND WE ARE AWARE, BECAME AWARE THAT THE TENNIS COURT, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THAT PROPERTY, UM, UH, DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE SETBACK FOR AN R 30 ZONE. UH, AND IT HAS NEVER COMPLIED BECAUSE IT IS, IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT BEFORE R 30 EVEN EVEN CAME INTO EXISTENCE, OR CERTAINLY BEFORE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF R 30 CAME INTO EXISTENCE. SO, UH, IT IS, UH, UH, SO TOWN STAFF SAID TO US, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT OUGHT TO BE CURED. UM, AND I SAID, WELL, WE REALLY CAN'T CURE IT WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, SO THEY SAID, AND I, I CAME ACTUALLY TO THE BOARD, I KNOW, UH, AND, AND ASKED FOR GUIDANCE. UH, AND THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT I WOULD APPROACH THE OWNER OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND OFFER TO GIVE THEM FOR FREE THE LEGAL WORK NECESSARY TO, UH, CURE OR, OR, OR LEGALIZE THEIR NON-CONFORMING SETBACK. UM, AND I APPROACHED THEM, I OFFERED THIS TO THEM IN WRITING, AND THEY RESPONDED IN WRITING, NO, WE'D RATHER NOT. WE WILL NOT CONSENT. SO I SAID, UH, AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS STRUCK WHEN I MET WITH THE BOARD, UM, BACK IN AUGUST, MAYBE THINK AUGUST, I THINK IT WAS AUGUST. YEAH. UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY DAVID FRIED'S SUGGESTION THAT, UM, IF THIS IS A CONCERN OF THE BOARD, THAT YOU'D BE APPROVING A NEW LOT THAT WOULD IN EFFECT, UH, UM, UH, HAVE A, A PROPERTY THAT VIOLATES THE SETBACK. NOT THE PRO, NOT THE LOT THAT YOU'RE CREATING, BUT THE NEIGHBORING LOT IS ALREADY IN VIOLATION. UM, IF THAT'S A CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'D ASK THAT THAT BE, UH, THE SUBJECT OF A, UH, UH, RELIEF UNDER THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, CLAUSE. UM, BUT IF IT'S NOT A CONCERN, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. BUT IF IT IS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND THAT'S WHAT DAVID FREE HAD SUGGESTED WE DO. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S IN THE LETTER. BUT I'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO. UH, I KNOW YOU'VE TRIED AND, AND, AND, UH, I THINK TOWN STAFF, UH, HAS, HAS AS WELL. AND, UH, I THINK THE MATTER IS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT WISH TO DO. BUT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE CORRECT APPLICATION. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE WAY THIS, THIS LOT'S [01:15:01] LAID OUT MM-HMM. , WHICH IS THE STRIP YEP. THE ACCIDENT, THE ACCESS ROAD. YES. WAS THAT ACCESS ROAD PART OF THOSE THREE MERGED THE THREE TAX LOTS MERGING WERE ACROSS THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HA YOU WANT AN ACCESS ROAD TO CLAYTON? OH, NO. LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN THE THREE TAX LOTS. UM, THE FIRST TAX LOT IS ACTUALLY THE ACCESS STRIP. UM, UH, AND OH, OKAY. AND, AND THE, THE, THE REASON HISTORICALLY WAS THAT, UH, WHEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE REAR, UH, WHICH I CALL LOT C AND D RIGHT. UM, UH, THOSE, WHEN THOSE LOTS WERE CREATED, UH, THEY WERE CREATED WITH A, UM, THE ACCESS STRIP AS PART OF THEM. ONE OF THE LOTS ACTUALLY HAD THE ACCESS STRIP, UM, AS PART OF THE LOT D D TO MAKE IT A FLY LOT TO BEGIN WITH. YES. BUT THE C WHICH IS NEXT TO IT, AND THIS IS BEFORE THIS WAS DONE WELL, BEFORE THE TOWN EVER INVENTED FLAG LOTS C HAD A PERMANENT RIGHT OF EASEMENT TO USE THAT ACCESS STRIP. UM, AND, AND SO THAT IT WOULD'VE ACCESS TO THE ROAD. SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN A SHARED DRIVEWAY IN THAT SENSE. IT, IT, IT, IF THE TOWN WERE TO ALLOW SUCH THINGS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SHARED DRIVEWAY. AND, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WA YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH, WELL, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS PROPERTY TODAY? AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT, UH, YOU COULD EITHER DEVELOP IT AS A FLAG LOT BECAUSE THE, UH, THE FLAG PART OF IT, UM, IS, UH, CERTAINLY MEETS THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE TWICE THE MINIMUM ACREAGE FOR AN R 30 ZONE. VERY RARE TO HAVE THAT IN EDGEMONT, BUT IT DOES. RIGHT. UH, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD'VE BEEN TO CREATE, UH, TWO LOTS, A TWO LOTS SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE CRE USING THE ACCESS STRIP AND TURNING IT INTO A ROAD AND PROVE TO TOWN STANDARDS, WHICH YOU HAD, YOU DIDN'T HAVE SPACE, YOU HAD 50, YOU'RE 50 FEET. WE COULD'VE DONE THAT. YEAH. UM, AND THE REASON THAT WE CHOSE THIS OF THE TWO OPTIONS WAS SIMPLY THAT WE HAD ENTERED INTO A DEAL, A CONTRACT, UH, WITH A POTENTIAL, WITH A, WITH A BUYER WHO SAID, NO, I WOULD LIKE A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, AND WE SAID, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL, WE'LL DRAW UP. OKAY. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE, WHERE IT IS. OKAY. THE, THE, THE, THE ACCESS STRIP ACTUALLY WAS CUT OUT OF THE POOL PROPERTY, THE POOL HOUSE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED AS A LOT BACK IN THE 1930S. SO THE TOWN CREATED THAT STRIP AS A TAX STRIP GOING BACK TO AROUND 1938. A TAX STRIP. A TAX LOT, TAX LOT, BUT NOT A SUBDIVIDED, NOT A SUBDIVIDED LOT. IT WAS A TAX LOT. UM, AND LABELED AS SUCH ON THE TOWN'S TAX MAPS, UH, WHICH, UH, UH, I THINK ARE PART OF THE APPLICANT. BUT IF NOT, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU. BUT THE TAX LOTS, UH, THE HISTORY SHOWS THAT THAT PARTICULAR THING BECAME A TAX LOT IN THE 1930S THAT JUST THAT STRIP, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS PROBABLY ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD BY THE TOWN THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE USED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTIES IN THE INTERIOR. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DEVELOP OTHERWISE THERE. YEAH. AND THE TOWN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS ASSESSED THOSE VACANT LANDS AS DEVELOPABLE LAND, UM, AS OPPOSED TO BEING NON DEVELOPED. SO THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS TAKEN THE POSITION WITH, UH, THE CURRENT TAXPAYER, UH, THE CHOWS AND THE PREDECESSORS THAT THIS WAS TO BE TAXED AS DEVELOPABLE LAND. OKAY. AND, AND SO THEY'D LIKE TO DEVELOP IT . THAT'S OKAY. AND I KNOW THERE WAS TALK AT ONE POINT, AND I THINK IT WAS AN OFFER FROM, FROM THE CHOWS AND YOU ABOUT ACTUALLY REDUCING THE STRIP FROM 50. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T NEED 50 FOR A DRIVEWAY. SURELY THAT'S THE TWIST OF WIDTH OF A PUBLIC STREET, UM, TO LIKE 35 TO, TO HELP OUT THE POOL HOUSE. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT? WELL, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. UH, WE SAID IN ORDER WHETHER WE, UH, I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE WOULD, CERTAINLY WITH RESPECT TO THE TENNIS COURT SETBACK, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. THE TENNIS COURT SETBACK, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS NARROW. THE STRIP IS NARROW THE SLIP OR CARVE OUT A PORTION OF THE SLIP, THE STRIP. RIGHT. AND GIVE IT TO THEM. SO I'D SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS WANT SOME FREE LAND. WE WON'T CHARGE HER FOR IT. HERE IT IS. AND THAT, AND ALL WE NEED IS YOUR CONSENT TO DO THIS, AND IT WON'T COST YOU ANYTHING, BUT YOU'LL GET MORE LAND A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT YOU'LL GET MORE LAND. AND THEY SAID, NO. WELL, THERE WAS CONSENT WITH AN EASEMENT, CORRECT? UH, YES. AN EASEMENT SO THAT WE COULD USE THAT PROPERTY, UM, AS IF IT WERE GONNA BE AS IF, AS IF, UH, UM, THIS, THE, THE LAND HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN UP. BUT THAT WASN'T AN [01:20:01] ISSUE. THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. PERIOD. AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY BY WAY OF EASEMENT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF WE THEY AGREED OR DIDN'T AGREE, THEY DIDN'T AGREE, WE'RE GONNA USE IT ANYWAY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A 50 FOOT DRIVEWAY. SO OF COURSE NOT. IT'S GONNA BE A, IT'S GONNA BE A DRIVEWAY THAT'LL PROBABLY BE, UH, MEASURED BY WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO DO IT IN TERMS OF OBSTACLES ALONG THE SHORT. SURE. OKAY. UH, AND BUT THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE NEW OWNER TO FIGURE OUT. I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH BA BACKGROUND THERE. I DON'T, I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS ONGOING WITH, WITH, UH, THE PERSON IN THE TENNIS THING. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TOTALLY SAID NO YET, BUT WE'LL SEE. WELL, THEY, WE'D LOVE TO RESPECT, THEY SAID NO TO ME IN WRITING, AND I MADE THAT A PART OF THE APPLICATION. BUT YOU DID, BUT THEY ALSO, THEY ALSO HAVE A PERMIT. THEY, THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT PENDING RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IN A BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR RENOVATION. SO, RIGHT. AND THAT WAS PENDING BACK THEN AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT PERMIT WAS TAKEN OUT IN, I THINK FEBRUARY OF 2021. 21. YEAH. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, AS I READ THE CODE, THAT YOU DO NOT, UM, NEED TO CURE YOUR NON-CONFORMITY UNLESS, AND UNTIL YOU SEEK PERMISSION FROM THE TOWN TO DO SOMETHING WHICH REQUIRES, UH, A, UM, AN AUGMENTING OF THE, OF THE INFIRMITY OR, OR, OR MAKING THE, THE, UH, UM, UH, NON-CONFORMITY WORSE. SO IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR A PERMIT, WHICH REQUIRES A VARIANCE, YOU ARE BY DEFINITION MAKING THE PROPERTY LESS CONFORMING, AND THEREFORE YOU NEED TO CURE EVERYTHING. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING A PERMIT TO PUT IN A BATHROOM OR, OR SOMETHING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF YOUR HOUSE, THESE ARE INTERNAL AS, I THINK THEY'RE INTERNAL . THEY'RE ALL INTERNAL. BECAUSE AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE POOL HOUSE PROPERTY, IF YOU, IT WAS BUILT, UH, IT WAS BUILT, UH, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT IT ONLY HAD ONE BEDROOM. UH, IT HAD A BIG BASKETBALL COURT. UH, AND SO WHAT THIS FAMILY DECIDED TO DO WAS CONVERT THE BASKETBALL COURT INTO BEDROOMS, UH, FOR THEIR CHILDREN. UH, AND SO IT'S WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT, BUT THE HOUSE ITSELF, UH, WAS BUILT NOT TO BE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE HOUSE, WHICH THEY COULD HAVE DONE. IT WOULD'VE BEEN CHEAPER. UM, BUT RATHER, UH, IT WAS BUILT WITH, UH, A KITCHEN, A FULL KITCHEN, A UH, A AND, AND A, UH, FULL BATH. FULL BATH. MM-HMM. AND, AND BED AND A BEDROOM. UM, SO IT QUALIFIED IN THAT RESPECT, BUT OKAY. UH, WHAT I DON'T WANT, WHAT I WANT TO BE SURE DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN PENDING FOR A LONG TIME. UH, IT WAS HELD UP BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE. UH, I DID WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD REQUESTED THAT I DO TO CURE THE ISSUE. UH, I PRESENTED THE EVIDENCE THAT I DID THAT, AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY. NOW. THEY'VE HAD A CONTRACT THAT'S GOING ON FOR, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BECOME A YEAR PRETTY SOON IN A COUPLE MONTHS. SO AT FIRST WE SAW IT WAS, WAS IN AUGUST, SO RIGHT. BECAUSE I COULDN'T, I WAS TRYING TO, I COULDN'T GET IT OFF THE GROUND BECAUSE OF THIS IMPASSE. AND THAT'S THE, THE, YES, YOU SAW IT IN AUGUST AND WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. AND I THEN, UH, UM, SUBMITTED THE PLAN IN NOVEMBER, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RIGHT, WHAT I, I THINK WE SHOULD DO TONIGHT IS LET'S LET YOU AND ELLIOT PRESENT THE PLAN. MM-HMM. , LET'S GO THROUGH THE PLANS FOR VERY SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL COULD PROBABLY GET TO JORDAN ANYWAY TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. BUT WE'LL SEE, SEE WHAT COMMENTS ARE COME UP TO TONIGHT, JUST FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THIS AGAIN. AND I THINK WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WHAT THIS IS NOW. SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE ALL GO THROUGH THAT, BOB, IF YOU WANT YOU AND CAN GO THROUGH THAT. SURE. ELLIOT, DO YOU WANT TO JUST PRESENT IT? I THINK IT'S ON THE SCREEN. UH, I DO, I DO HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN. UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. WELL, THIS IS, UH, ON THE SCREEN. UH, WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT COMES OFF THE, UH, CLAYTON ROAD. UH, THERE IS, UM, UM, STONEWALL THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WE HAVE, UH, SOME DRAINAGE AT THE BOTTOM THERE TO TAKE WATER FROM THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T RUN OFF INTO THE STREET. UH, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY, AS YOU DISCUSSED, WILL BE DEPENDENT UPON, UH, SOME FACTORS. UH, GENERALLY WE ONLY NEED 12 OR 15 FEET, I WOULD SAY 15 FEET FOR A DRIVEWAY. UH, IT IS A LONG DRIVEWAY. UH, AND THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR EITHER A TURNOUT FOR PASSING TWO CARS, UH, IN EACH DIRECTION IF IT'S TOO NARROW, OR THERE MAY BE SOME REQUIREMENTS [01:25:01] FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UH, GENERALLY A FIRE ACCESS ROAD IS 20 FEET WIDE. WE REALLY WOULDN'T WANT TO GO TO A 20 FOOT WIDE, BUT MAYBE WE HAVE TO PUT SOME AREAS THAT ARE 20 FEET WIDE UP NEAR THE HOUSE IN ORDER FOR IT. UH, UM, FIGHT OR FIRE. UM, WAGES ARBITRARILY CAME IN AND WENT TO THE, TO THE LEFT. UM, THERE'S NO REASON WHY, UH, YOU CAN GO TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. UH, THE LEFT IS THE HIGH SIDE. SO WE SORT OF PUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LOT ON THE HIGHER PROPERTY. SO THE, THE CONTOURS THERE ARE LIKE FOUR 12, UH, ON THE RIGHT. YOU'RE DOWN TO LIKE 3 96, 3 98, 400. UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LIKE TO BE ON THE TOP OF THE HILL WITH MY DESIGNS IF I CAN, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING ALL THE WATER RUNNING INTO ME. UM, BUT, UH, LIKE, UH, UH, ROBERT SAID IS THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL BUYER, AND THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, ON THE PROPERTY IN THE LOWER, UH, RIGHT CORNER THERE. OH, YOU SAY ELLIOT, IF WE GO ON, YOU'RE SAYING THEY, THEY MAY DECIDE TO CITE THE HOUSE SOMEPLACE ELSE. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT. UH, IF THEY'RE, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE IN A SPECIFIC CONTRACT TO BUY, BUT, UH, I GUESS THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANY PLANNING UNTIL THEY CAN ACTUALLY DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPABLE. I DON'T KNOW. THEY, THEY WOULD, UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, UH, THEY DON'T ACQUIRE THE RIGHT TO, UH, THE PROPERTY UNTIL THERE'S BEEN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY SUBDIVIDED. RIGHT. THEN IF THEY CAN USE THIS AS THEIR MODEL, OR IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MODEL OR SOMETHING ELSE, OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO, THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. THERE'S PLANNING BOARD ANYWAY. UM, AND, UH, AND GET APPROVAL. ACTUALLY, THE, ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT, THERE'S NO SITE PLAN REVIEW. WELL, THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. THAT'S WHAT WAY WE TALKED. WE COULD CONDITION, LEMME UP. UNFORTUNATELY, IN OUR TOWN, WHICH ISN'T TRUE IN A LOT OF TOWNS, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A REVISED SITE PLAN IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AUTOMATICALLY IN OUR TOWN DOES IN OTHER TOWNS. AND IT PROBABLY SHOULD IN OUR TOWN, BUT IT DOESN'T. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, AND THERE'S A REASON I WANT TO DO THIS, IS IF, IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE FROM WHAT YOU AND ELLIOT ARE PROPOSING TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS ROCK ON THE PROPERTY, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF, AND YOU, YOU'LL, YOU'LL LAY OUT FOR US WHERE YOU THINK THE FOOTPRINT IS, WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHAT BELIEVE, WHAT BELIEVE THE DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE, AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO DO FROM A LANDSCAPING PLAN BASED ON THAT AS WHAT WE GRANT THE SUBDIVISION UPON. AND IF IT VARIES FROM THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION, WE CAN HAVE THEM COME BACK TO US. I, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. UH, BECAUSE, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO GET THAT REVIEWED. UH, BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, IF THEY, THEY DROP A PLAN, THEY'LL, THEY COULD RUN IT BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER PLAN THEY COME UP WITH MEETS ZONING REQUIREMENTS. UH, SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S POTENTIAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED. SO THAT, THAT IS GIVEN THAT'S, WE'RE ON THAT. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. SAME WITH DRAINAGE, TREE REMOVAL, ALL THOSE THINGS. THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN, THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN TREATING THOSE LATELY. ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN. AND WHICH IS WHY IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING PRO FORMA. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE THE EXAMPLE. SO THIS IS, THIS IS A COMMON THING THESE DAYS. 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY. THEY'RE SELLING THE PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HASN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT THEY WANT. THEY JUST KNOW THEY WANT THE PROPERTY. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AFTER WE GET IT. RIGHT. AND IT PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION FOR THAT REASON, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE NOW DOING IT IS, ALTHOUGH AS I SAID, IT SHOULD BE IN A LOT OF, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IT ALL THE TIME, UH, IN A LOT OF TOWNS DISCUSS IT WAS EVEN TOUGHER. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD ON TOP REVIEW BOARD ON TOP OF THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. BUT IN A LOT OF TOWNS, WHEN THERE'S A SITE PLAN, UH, CHANGE, EVEN IN RESIDENTIAL, IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARDS. THAT'S TRUE IN COMMERCIAL IN GREENBERG. IT IS NOT TRUE IN RESIDENTIAL. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONDITION THE APPROVAL. RIGHT. EXACTLY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. 'CAUSE UH, GOOD AND, AND WHAT WE REFER TO ARE THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLANS. RIGHT. THAT'S HOW THE CODE REFERS TO THE SITE PLANS, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. CONNECTED TO THE SUBDIVISION. RIGHT. BUT I WANT, WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME AWAY WITH SO I CAN CLOSE THIS CONTRACT. I UNDERSTAND. AND YOU CAN INTRODUCE THE, GET INTRODUCED TO THESE PEOPLE, WHOEVER THEY ARE, UM, IS, IS GET SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO RIGHT. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OF COURSE IS, AND ONCE WE GET PAST THE WORK SESSION, ASSUMING THERE ARE NO OTHER ISSUES, BUT WE'LL SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO GET APPROVAL AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO FILE THE, UH, PLATT WITH THE COUNTY. [01:30:01] 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF HEALTH. YES. WHICH IS, YOU HEARD, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT, BUT EV WE HAD THREE, THREE EXTENSIONS BASED ON THAT TONIGHT. YEAH. CAN GET APPROVAL. IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A DIFFERENT, THEY'RE WAY BACKLOGGED RIGHT NOW, I THINK. YEAH. WELL THEY WERE BACKLOGGED. I THOUGHT. I HEARD THEY HAD CAUGHT UP SOME, BUT MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T. THEY HAVEN'T. SO THOSE ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF HURDLES LEFT. SO WE CAN'T, WE WANNA GET TO THE NEXT HURDLE. UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING ONE THING, UNLIKE A LOT OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE SEE, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, IN AREAS WHERE MAYBE THE, THE LOT IS DOUBLE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE ZONING IS. SO A HOUSE THAT GOES THERE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO BE OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE EXAMPLE. I MEAN, HERE YOU HAVE SO MUCH LAND, IT COULD GO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. I, I KNOW. LET ASK YOU, SO IT'S ASK YOU HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY MADE A QUESTION BECAUSE THE WAY THAT HOUSE IS SITUATED, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ELLIOT, ON THIS, IF THE NEW OWNER WANTED TO, THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE AND, AND BUILD A HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE. UH, NO. UH, NOT, NOT AS WE'RE SHOWING IT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A ROADWAY THEN IF YOU WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS, YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD CORRECT. ON THAT 50 FOOT, UH, STEM WITH A CUL-DE-SAC OR A FIRE TURNAROUND. UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNER OR THE POTENTIAL PURCHASER DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT. THEY WANT A SINGLE LARGE LINE IN, IN EDGEMONT. UM, BUT THEORETICALLY WE COULD HAVE SUB SUBDIVIDED THIS INTO TWO LOTS. YES. I MEAN IT, THE, OBVIOUSLY WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND, AND THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PROPERTY COULD BE SALEABLE IS TOO, TOO, TOO GOOD. LOTS. IT COULD BE, WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT PARCEL C MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. AND YOU COULD'VE WIDEN THE ROAD TO, TO, TO STEAD TOWN TOGETHER. COULD YEAH. COULD'VE DONE THAT AND WOULD'VE DONE THAT, BUT THE BUYER SAID, NO, WE PREFER THIS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD ENOUGH, THEY WANNA CHANGE THEIR MIND. GOD BLESS 'EM. THEY GOTTA COME BACK. THEY GOTTA COME BACK. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A COUPLE TOO. AARON, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOW THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS LAYOUT. UM, WAS THERE ANY SORT OF LANDSCAPE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T RECALL IF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO 60. I KNOW IT'S REALLY JUST AN EXERCISE. TALK TO ELLIOT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, AHEAD OF GOING, WE MIGHT GET DONE GOING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, IN THAT CASE, I'M GONNA PUT IT WHERE THERE'S NO TREES COMING DOWN. BUT, UH, I SUPPOSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOW, UH, A COUPLE OF TREES COMING DOWN, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN ADD A FEW. IT'S A COMPLICA, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPLICATED, OR MAYBE YOU'RE MORE FLUENT WITH IT, BUT IT'S A COMPLICATED APPLICATION OR, OR, UH, CALCULATION SO TO SPEAK. UH, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THEORETICALLY ANYTHING CAN GET DONE. WE HAVE CERTAINLY ENOUGH PROPERTY TO, TO PLANT ANOTHER DOZEN, YOU KNOW, TREES TO OFFSET THE CUT AS PER YOUR REGULATION. SO I DON'T SEE WHY, UH, WE COULDN'T MEET THAT REGULATION. WE HAVE TWO ACRES OF PROPERTY. RIGHT. TOWN STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR OFFICE ON, YOU KNOW. YEP. TO GIVE YOU THE, OUT THE CALCULATION. GIVE THE FORMULA FOR EVERY TREE YOU CUT DOWN, WHAT YOU NEED TO PUT NO, NO. I KNOW. I'VE USED THE PROGRAM BEFORE. WE HAVE FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION BEFORE, SO IT'S NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT UNFAMILIAR WITH IT. IT'S JUST, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOTTA TRY A TREE AND IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT SIZE, YOU GOTTA ADD MORE OR, YOU KNOW, OR A BIGGER TREE. OR A DIFFERENT TREE. SO IT, IT, IT IS, TAKES SOME TIME, AT LEAST FOR US. OKAY. UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE DIDN'T, UM, I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE DID. OKAY. WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, ELLIOT, AND YEAH, WE, WE KNOW IT HAS TO BE DONE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE, WE, I, I LET YOU OFF THE HOOKS THAT WE DIDN'T NEED IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT WE, WE, WE DO NEED IT DONE. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL COORDINATE ON THAT. NO PROBLEM THERE. YEAH. OKAY. QUESTION GRAHAM. OH, SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, I THINK WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL. RIGHT NOW, YOU, YOUR DIAGRAMS ON THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ONE THAT GIVE THE OVERALL SITE. SO IT'LL BE EASIER TO CONCEPTUALIZE WHAT'S BEING DONE. UH, IF YOU COMBINE ALL THESE IN THE TOTAL OVERALL, BECAUSE USUALLY WE SEE THAT. WE SEE THE, ISN'T THAT THIS IS, UH, THE PLAN WE HAVE ON, ON SCREEN IS THE OVERALL PLAN. THESE ARE THE 3, 1, 2, 3. OH, THAT IS THE THREE. YEAH, THIS IS THE THREE. THE STRIP. OKAY. C AND D. OKAY. FINE. OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS, UH, SHOWS ALL THREE TAX LOTS, UM, COMBINED ON ONE PLAN. I THINK THE CONFUSION WAS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PARCEL, THE ROAD WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PARCELS. YES. OKAY. IT, IT IS CONFUSING BECAUSE PARCEL D COMBINES BOTH [01:35:01] THE STRIP AND THE, UH, UM, THE FLAG. THE FLAG. BUT THE TAX LOTS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, THE BOUNDARIES OF D UP HERE. THE BOUNDARIES OF THE, OF THE STRIP AND THE BOUNDARIES OF C MM-HMM. . UM, AS, AS I EXPLAINED AT THE BEGINNING, THIS AROSE BECAUSE THE STRIP WAS CARVED OUT OF B IN THE 1930S. YEAH. IN ORDER TO GIVE AN EASE, CREATE AN EASEMENT TO ALL THE PROPERTIES BEHIND IN THE WOODS BACK HERE, UH, FOR THEIR POTENTIAL FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY WOULD ALL HAVE ACCESS TO CLAYTON. BUT, UH, UM, OVER TIME, THE OWNER OF THIS MASSIVE PROPERTY, SUBDIVIDED C AND D, UM, WHEN HE DID SO IN 35, NO, HE ACTUALLY SUBDIVIDED THESE IN 19, UH, C AND D WERE SUBDIVIDED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 1953. AND, AND, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, HOW, HOW WERE THEY SUBDIVIDED BY? BY DEED. BY DEED. COULD THEY DO THAT BACK THEN? YEAH. THERE WAS NO, YOU DIDN'T GO INTO THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, DID NOT BE GET ITS ENABLING ACT, UH, UNTIL 57. SEVEN. TRUE. BUT THERE WAS STILL A REQUIREMENT TO FILE A SUBDIVISION MAP NOT FOR FEWER THAN FIVE. NO. ONLY IF YOU, ONLY IF YOU HAD A NEW ROAD, YOU NEEDED TO SUB, SUB FILE A SUBDIVISION MAP. YEAH. OH, YOU MEAN WITH THE COUNTY? WHERE'S THE NEIGHBOR? WHERE'S THE NEIGHBOR? THAT OVER HERE? PARTIAL A NO, IT'S PARKED, THE NEIGHBOR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OWNS PARCEL B B OKAY. WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING TENNIS COURT. AND THIS COURT IS OVER HERE AND IT COMES TOO CLOSE. HEY, BOB, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT, OF THAT SUBDIVISION STUFF BACK THERE? YES, I HAVE ALL, I HAVE ALL THAT. COULD, COULD YOU SEND, SEND IT TO AMANDA AND, AND TO AARON PLEASE. YEAH. AL ALSO, ONE OTHER THING IS, UM, ANYTHING YOU HAVE REGARDING WHEN THE TOWN CARVED OUT THE TAX LOT FROM THE 1935, WE HAVE THAT TOO. AARON DID I, DID I GIVE YOU ALL THAT? I I THINK I'VE GIVEN IT TO THE TOWN ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO YOU AGAIN. WHY DON'T I, I COULD BRING UP, CHECK THE FILE. WE HAD YOUR PRELIMINARY SUBMISSION AND THEN YOUR FORMAL SUBMISSION AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DOCUMENTS BETWEEN THE TWO. NOT EVERYTHING MATCHED, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU GAVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE'LL DIG THROUGH IT. WE'LL GET, MAKE SURE THAT AMANDA GETS WHAT SHE NEEDS AND IF WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S JUST A CLICK ON THE, UH, ON A KEYSTROKE BECAUSE SURE. UH, I, I HAVE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A FASCINATING HISTORY. UM, UH, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE THE CHOW PROPERTY, WHICH CONSISTED OF, UM, SIX ACRES AND SELL IT OFF PIECEMEAL, UM, AND DO IT LEGALLY WELL, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT, UH, FOR PARCEL A, WHICH IS THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, AND PARCEL B BECAUSE, UH, PARCEL A WAS PART OF A, UH, A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS FILED WITH THE COUNTY, UM, IN 1935. IN 19. YEAH. WELL, 1938. 1938. RIGHT. DAY OF 1935. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT THAT SHOWS PAR, IT SHOWS PARCEL B INCLUDING PARCEL D, WHICH IS WHY I'D LIKE TO C HOW EXACTLY IT'S WHY THE 53 THINGS AND THEN RIGHT. AND THEN THEY, IN 1953, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, BACK HERE MM-HMM. , UM, SOLD THESE LOTS, UM, UH, TO, UH, WELL SUBDIVIDED THESE LOTS AND SOLD THEM. HE SOLD PARCEL C, WHICH IS THE LOT BEHIND PARCEL B TO THE THEN OWNER OF PARCEL B DID WOOD OR OR WOOD OR IS IT THE SISTER OR RELATIVE MRS. WOOD. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK THERE WAS TWO SISTERS THOUGH. TWO SISTERS. AND CRAIG HAD WAS THE ONE THAT SOLD IT, CORRECT? UH, IT, HIS SUCCESSOR ENTITLED. OKAY. UM, BUT, UH, UH, BUT YES. OH, I THINK CRAIG HAD, DID SELL, UM, THE ORIGINAL SALES. I, CRAIG HAD HAD C AND D ORIGINALLY. HE DID. UM, BUT WHEN, UH, SO WHEN, BUT PARCEL C UH, I DON'T KNOW IF CRAIGHEAD WAS THE OWNER WHEN, WHEN THE SALE OF C AND D TOOK PLACE, CRAIGHEAD WAS THE OWNER WHEN PARK, WHEN THE STRIP WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM B, UH, THE IDEA BEING THAT, UM, B OF THE POOL HOUSES DOWN. YES. B WAS THE POOL HOUSE, BUT B WAS THE LAND OWNED BY, UM, ORIGINALLY SOLD TO THE, WAS THE CHOW PROPERTY. YES. BUT IT WAS SOLD TO WOOD. WOOD OWNED A, SO A WOOD, WOOD FAMILY, LET'S SAY, WHICH ORIGINALLY OWNED A, B AND B ACQUIRED B LES THE ACCESS STRIP. RIGHT. THEN, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE OWNER WHO CRAIG HEADERS WERE SUCCESSORS, UM, DIVIDED C AND D. OKAY. AND HE DID THAT IN 19 53, 2 DEEDS BACK TO BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. AND THE PARCEL C [01:40:01] WENT TO, THIS IS WOOD, UM, WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AT B. RIGHT. AND, UH, AND ALSO A RIGHT. UH, AND PARCEL D WAS SOLD TO A THIRD PARTY. OKAY. HOW DID , NOW YOU UNDERSTAND MY COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING, WALTER, LET ME, DIFFICULT. NO, I'M JUST SAYING WHY MY COMMENT WAS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO FOLLOW THE APPLICATION. THERE'S STILL ONE PIECE MISSING THAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH, YEAH. HOW DID THE STRIP GET CREATED? AND WAS IT EVER IN THE 53 SUBDIVISION? YES. UM, WELL, THE 53 DEEDED SUBDIVISION, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS BY DEED. RIGHT. AND THE WAY IT WAS DONE WAS THAT THE SET, WHEN D WAS CREATED, THE OWNER, SINCE HE ALSO OWNED THE ACCESS STRIP AND TAX LOT, HE COMBINED, HE SOLD, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION, THE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF D INCLUDING THE ACCESS STRIP. BUT WHEN HE SOLD IT, HE SOLD IT, UH, SUBJECT TO A PERMANENT EASEMENT TO THE OWNER OF C. OKAY. AND, AND, AND, AND C. BUT WAIT, WHERE DID THIS COME? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. YEAH. YES. THIS, THIS STRIP, WHERE DID THAT PROPERTY COME FROM? DID IT COME FROM A, FROM B CAME, B CAME FROM B. FROM B. YOU WHAT YOU MAY, UH, AS AMANDA POINTED OUT, WHEN THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION MAP OF FORT HILL ESTATES WAS CREATED FOR THIS SECTION, RIGHT, PARCEL B WAS ON THERE AS A SUBDIVISION INCLUDED THE STRIP, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS BIGGER INCLUDING THE STRIP. IT INCLUDED THE STRIP PIECE. IT INCLUDED THE STRIP. BUT WHEN IT WAS SOLD BY DEEDED, WHEN IN, AT THE TIME THE MAP WAS, WAS, WAS FILED, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE MAP WAS, I THINK IT WAS CREATED IN 1935, NOT FILED IN 1938. CORRECT. BUT SUBSEQUENTLY, TO SUBSEQUENT TO THE CREATION OF THAT MAP, UM, MRS. WOOD ACQUIRED B LESS THE LAND CARVED OUT BY THE AXI STRIP AWAY. AND THEN ON THAT THEN WHERE THEN, THEN WHAT WAS THE AXI STRIP ATTACHED TO D THE AXI STRIP WAS ATTACHED TO ALL THIS LAND THAT WAS BEHIND, UM, D IT WAS BEHIND THE AXIS STRIP. THIS ALL OF THE LAND, NOT JUST HERE, BUT ALL OF THIS, UH, WAS SO C AND D, IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? AND BEYOND THAT WAS AND BEYOND PROPERTY. AND THAT WAS CREATED, THAT WAS CRAIG PROPERTY IN THE 19 GET TO THE BACK. YEAH. BUT THEN IT SOMEHOW GOT SUBDIVIDED OFF IN, IN 53, 19 53, THE OWNER OF THIS MASSIVE PROPERTY, UM, THE STATE, UH, SAID HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO CREATE TWO LOTS, C AND D, C AND D. AND THE WAY HE DID IT WAS HE, HE, HE PARCELED OUT A, A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION FOR C, WHICH BY THE WAY, AT THAT TIME WAS HALF ACRE ZONING AGREEMENT IN THAT PART, IN THAT SECTION. SO HE CREATED A HALF ACRE LOT FOR C AND A MUCH BIGGER LOT FOR D AND ATTACHED TWO D, THE EXCESS STRIP, WHICH WAS A SEPARATE TAX LOT. OKAY. HOW COULD THEY ATTACH, SO IF THE TOWN SPLIT OFF THE STRIP PARCEL D FROM PARCEL B YEAH. WHOEVER OWNED PARCEL B, DID THEY RECEIVE SOME KIND OF CONSIDERATION? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE TOWN HAD KNOWN IT THE TOWN, BUT THE TOWN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE TOWN NO, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF QUIRKS. IT'S ONE OF THE QUIRKS OF, OF, OF, OF, UM, ASSESSMENT LAW, I GUESS. UM, THE TOWN CREATES WHATEVER TAX LOTS IT FEELS IT CAN GENERATE TAX REVENUE FROM, AND IT DETERMINED BACK WHEN THIS ACCESS STRIP WAS CREATED, THAT THAT WAS VALUABLE PROPERTY THAT OUGHT TO BE TAXED. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING YOUR PLANNING AS WHAT A BUILDABLE BUILDABLE PROPERTY AS A BUILDABLE PROPERTY SAID, BUT WHO ACCESSABLE OR BUILDABLE AS BUILDABLE, EXCEPT THE ACCESS STRIP WAS CREATED AS A TAX LOT AS BUILDABLE BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ATTACHED TO SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILDABLE, BUT NOT IN THAT SIZE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT BUILDABLE AS A STRIP, NOT BILLABLE AS A STRIP, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE TOWN ACCESSIBLE. JUST TO REMEMBER IN OUR TOWN, EVERYBODY'S GOT MULTIPLE TAX LOTS. NO, IT TAX LOTS AND SUBDIVISIONS OUT THE SAME. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME. I MEAN, OFTENTIMES YOU CAN TRACE THE HISTORY OF TAX LOTS TO ORIGINAL SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT. WHEN THEY WERE CREATED YEAH. WHICH ISN'T AFFECTED BY THE EARLY 19 RECORDS. YEAH. YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. AND, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, UH, YOU HAD A, I THINK A VERY CREATIVE TAX, UH, ASSESSOR BACK IN THE 1930S WHO SAW THAT THIS STRIP WAS CREATE, CARVED OUT FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF HELPING OUT THESE BACK, THESE PROPERTIES IN THE REAR. BUT BILLABLE AND BILLABLE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SURE. OH, ABSOLUTELY. UNDERSTAND. SO, SO WHO WAS PAYING THE TAXES ON IT THEN? D ENDED UP? NO. UM, SINCE [01:45:01] THE, THIS LAND WAS CARVED OUT, THAT ACCESS STRIP WAS CARVED AWAY FROM BEE MM-HMM. IN THE 1930S. THE OWNER OF THIS LAND, UH, THE REMAINING LAND PAID ALL THE TAXES. OH. BUT, BUT WAS THERE AN EXCHANGE? SO IF, IF THE TOWN CARVED OUT THAT ACCESS STRIP FROM BEE, THE TOWN DIDN'T CARVE IT OUT, BUT, BUT YOU SAID THEY CARVED IT OUT AS AN ACCESS STRIP. THE OWNER IT OUT, THE OWNER OF B, THE OWNER OF B CARVE OR THE OWNER OF THE LAW SCHOOL, YOU SAY BLACK ACRE, WHOEVER, WHOEVER OWNED EVERYTHING CARVED IT OUT. AND SO AT THAT POINT, WHEN THE 50 THING, THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH. IN 53. YEAH. OKAY. WHEN THEY CARVED OUT, WHEN SHE CARVED OUT THIS STRESS. RIGHT. NO, SHE DIDN'T CARVE ANYTHING OUT IN 1953. LET ME BEGIN. OKAY. THE ACCESS TO MIS CHARACTER, LET'S JUST LISTEN AGAIN. , LET ME, LET ME STATE THIS, START THIS ROLLING IN 1935, RIGHT? A SUBDIVISION MAP WAS FILED SPREADSHEET, WHICH WAS FORT HILL ESTATES, RIGHT? UH, IT WAS FI CREATED AND FILED IN 1938 THAT SHOWED A PARCEL A MM-HMM. , UH, AND IT ALSO SHOWED A PARCEL B I REMEMBER THAT. I SEE THAT MAP THE OWNER OF, UM, PARCEL B, RIGHT. WHO WAS NOT ALSO THE OWNER OF PARCEL A, BUT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE. UM, UH, THAT GUY SAID, I'M GOING TO SELL PARCEL B TO THE OWNER OF PARCEL A. RIGHT. AND, BUT I'M DOING IT AND I'M, I'M GONNA TAKE THE MEETS AND BOUNDS OF THE SUBDIVISION MAP AND I'M GOING TO REMOVE FROM THE MEETS AND BOUNDS OF THE SUBDIVISION MAP A PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY, THAT PORTION BEING THE ACCESS STRIP. WAS THAT IN 35? SO, NO. SO THIS IS, UH, THAT WAS IN 19, I BELIEVE IT WAS 1938. NO. OKAY. 38. BUT IT WASN'T IN THE FIFTIES. IT WAS NOT IN THE FIFTIES. THE STRIP WAS CREATED IN THE THIRTIES. CORRECT. OKAY. BY PARCEL B, OWNER BY THE PARCEL, BY PARCEL B OWNER AT THAT TIME. THEY DID THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK BY THE PARCEL B OWNER BEFORE HE SOLD IT TO, BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN HE DID THAT, THE, THE MAP FROM 35 DOESN'T SHOW THE STRIP, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. WHICH IS, WHICH IS UP ON, ON THE STRIP, BUT IT SHOWS IT AS PART OF JUST, IT DOESN'T SHOW THE STRIP. IT DOES NOT. OKAY. SO WHAT WAS A LEGAL, WHAT WAS A SUBDIVISION? A FILED SUBDIVISION IS WHAT I SHOULD SAY IT IN 35 IS NOT WHAT EXISTS TODAY FOR A LOT. B AND WHAT WA BE IS SMALLER THAN WHAT WAS FILED IN 35. CORRECT? WELL, THIS ISN'T, THIS DOESN'T SHOW, THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW A SUBDIVISION OF B OR C OR D OR A, THESE LOTS WERE CREATED. THEY WERE SAYING, YOU SEE HOW IT SAYS IT SOLD, THESE LOTS WERE CREATED PRIOR TO THE SUBDIVISION MAP. THEY JUST SHOW ON THIS SUBDIVISION MAP IS COMPLETED. BUT THE SUBDIVISION MAP IS THE LOTS THAT ARE NUMBERED. YOU SEE 4, 6, 10, CORRECT. 1112. SO THESE LOTS THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT HE, HE WROTE, THEY TYPED IN ON, ON THE P D F, YOU KNOW, PARCEL BEING STRIPPED AREN'T PART OF THIS SUBDIVISION MAP. THEY'RE JUST SHOWN ON A SUBDIVISION MAP TO SHOW THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THE LOTS THAT ARE BEING CERTIFIED IN THIS MAP. HERE'S, HERE'S THE POINT THOUGH. HERE'S A QUESTION I HAVE AT SOME POINT. THAT STRIP SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF A SUBDIVISION MAP. AM I CORRECT OR NOT? IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN. NO, BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED PRIOR TO 1957 WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD BASICALLY BECAME A PLANNING BOARD PRIOR TO 19 SEVEN, PRIOR TO 1957. THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAD PUT ON A FILE MAP IN THERE, MANY, LET ME THE POINT OF LAW ELLIOT, UM, THE QUESTION IS WHY DID THEY NOT AMEND THE, UH, MAP SUBDIVISION MAP WHEN THEY CREATED THE, THE STRIP? THE ANSWER IS LIES IN NEW YORK STATE LAW, WHICH SAID THAT THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE FILING OF SUBDIVISION MAPS FOR PARCELS FIVE OR FEWER. SO IF YOU HAD FIVE OR FEWER, YOU DID NOT NEED TO, UH, FILE ANYTHING WITH THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY ONLY WANTED MAPS OF FIVE OR MORE SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE. 'CAUSE NOW NOBODY KNOW, THERE IS NO OFFICIALS OF DIVISION MAP IN WEST STER. THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. ALL I'M TELLING YOU IS NO, I UNDERSTAND. AT THAT TIME, THAT TIME THAT THE LAW, THAT'S WHY HE, HE DID THAT AND NO ONE THOUGHT ANYTHING OF IT. AND WHY TITLE PASSED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, NO ONE QUESTIONED IT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEN THE CHOWS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UH, IN 19, OH, BY 90, UH, 2002, UM, YOU [01:50:01] KNOW, THEY GOT A CLEAN TITLE REPORT AND IT SHOWED THE HISTORY AND THERE WERE NO ISSUES. THE WOODS, UM, THE WOOD ESTATE, WHICH OWNED THE PROPERTY AND SOLD IT TO THE CHOWS, THEY OWNED THESE PARCELS TOO AND ACQUIRED THEM. OVER TIME. THE TITLE REPORT CAME BACK WITH NO ISSUES. UM, UH, THERE WAS NEVER ANY, UM, NO ONE EVER SUGGESTED THAT THESE LOTS HAD TO BE MERGED. UM, THEY WERE SEPARATE LOTS AND JUST, THEY, THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE ACQUIRED AND THEN, UH, THEY BECAME JOINTLY OWNED, UH, BY, BY WOOD AND THEN CHOW. BUT THAT WAS IN THE, UH, UH, FIFTIES. UH, WOOD ACQUIRED IT AND UH, UM, AND CHOW ACQUIRED IT, YOU KNOW, IN 2000. BUT, UH, UH, AND HE BUILT THE POOL HOUSE IN 2006. FIVE TWO, BETWEEN THREE AND SIX. YES. AND, AND AND, UH, UH. RIGHT. SO, SO, UH, UH, WHEN HE ACQUIRED IT, UM, YES, HE OWNED AT THAT POINT PARCEL D. BUT I WANNA FOCUS ON WHAT HAPPENED IN 1953, PLEASE. IN 1953. THIS ISN'T, OKAY, GO AHEAD. IT'S FASCINATING. IT'S IN MAY OF 1953, IN MAY OF 1953, THE OWNER OF THE LAND THAT ENCOMPASSED THE ACCESS STRIP AND THE PROPERTIES BEHIND IT, C, D, C AND D AND AND BEYOND, AND BEYOND AND BEYOND. WHAT WAS THE NAME? I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GIMME CALL HIM FRED. NOW CRAIGHEAD. WELL, CRAIG HAD, BUT I, IT WAS HIS SUCCESSOR. JUST NOT, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. GO AHEAD. BUT, UH, I, I COULD LOOK IT UP IN A MINUTE, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, THAT GUY CREATED TWO DEEDS AND, AND, UH, THE DEED NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS WHAT I CALL THE DEEDED FOR PARCEL C, UM, THAT DEEDED CREATED A MEETS AND BOUNDS THAT WAS ROUGHLY A HALF AN ACRE, UH, WHICH MET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. IT OUR FOR RESIDENTIAL BACK IN, IT WAS OUR 20 THEN IT WAS OUR 20 THEN. OKAY. AND HE SOLD THAT PARCEL. THAT PARCEL ALSO CAME WITH, AND IT'S IN THE DEED, THE RIGHT OF ACCESS TO THE ACCESS. IT'S THE ONLY WAY HE COULD HAVE DONE IT. IT'S THE ONLY WAY HE COULD MAKE IT SALEABLE. RIGHT. AND AS IT HAPPENS, HE SOLD PARCEL C TO THE OWNER OF PARCEL B. HE COULD'VE SOLD IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT HE HELPED TO SELL IT TO THE OWNER OF PARCEL B. IT CARVED OFF THE, NO, NO, THAT WAS BEFORE. THE ACCESS WAS CARVED OFF 20 YEARS PRIOR. OKAY. I GOT IT. WHEN DID THEY SELL OFF ALL THE PROPERTIES BEYOND? 'CAUSE YOU SAID AT ONE TIME IT WAS OWNED BY THE ONE OWNER. YEAH. UM, WAS THAT THIRTIES OR FIFTIES? UH, I, I'M NOT SURE. UH, THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY UP HERE. UM, AND UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ON THE MAP, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS, UH, IS YOU MAY SEE THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT RUNNING ALONG, UH, FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. YEAH. UH, SEPARATE FROM THE ACCESS STRIP IT GO THE BEES PART. TENNIS COURT. YEAH. WELL, IT DOESN'T, IT IT GOES AROUND THE TENNIS COURT. HEY, GOTTA GET, GET A DRIVE OF FU SORRY, THE TENNIS COURT. MM-HMM. , THIS HOUSE TOLD ME ABOUT THIS. THIS IS INTERESTING. YEAH. THIS EASEMENT THAT COMES. SO IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE STRIP IS STILL AN EASEMENT. YES. THE WHAT? DID YOU FOLLOW THE EASEMENT, BUT WHAT'S THE EASEMENT FOR? I'M GONNA TELL YOU I'M, NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO STOP THIS SO I CAN HEAR THIS. IT'S A FASCINATING HISTORY OF OLD EDGEMONT PROPERTY. SO THE EASEMENT WAS INTENDED TO, UM, GIVE, UH, BECAUSE THEY CONTEMPLATED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF C AND D. NOW, UNDERHILL ROAD, WHICH IS, WAIT, YOU KNOW, THE FURTHEST IS DOWNHILL. IT, THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY SHOWS IT GOES DOWN. SO IN THOSE DAYS, THEY THOUGHT THE CHEAPEST WAY TO DEAL WITH SEWER ISSUES WAS TO CREATE A SEWER LINE THAT WOULD RUN DOWNHILL. BECAUSE, BUT TO DO THAT, IT ALL FLOWS DOWN. RIGHT. AND TO DO THAT, YOU NEEDED TO, TO GET THE RIGHT OF ACCESS, UM, DOWN TO UNDERHILL ROAD. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT EASEMENT WAS FOR. SO, BUT THE QUID PRO QUO FOR THAT EASEMENT WAS, WAS TO GIVE THEM ACCESS TO, TO THE RIGHT OF ACCESS TO WALK THEIR DOG ALL THE WAY UP TO CLAYTON. AND SO IT'S A, IT IS A 10 FOOT WIDE RIGHT. OF ACCESS TO WALK AND DO NOTHING ELSE. SO YOU CAN WALK YOUR DOG ANOTHER TENNIS COURT. NO, IT DOESN'T GO, IT GOES AROUND THE TENNIS COURT. OH, IT GOES AROUND THE, THINK ABOUT IT, IT SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, IT GOES FROM, UH, ACROSS THE BORDER OF, UH, THE PARCEL C AND IT GOES TO THE ACCESS STRIP. IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES THROUGH THE PROPOSED HOUSE. WHAT HAPPENS, THIS IS FASCINATING. I KNOW. IT GOES, IT GOES, UH, NO, THE DRIVEWAY. YEAH, IT GOES TO THE, THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE [01:55:01] ACCESS STRIP IS PART OF THE EASEMENT. OKAY. THE 10 FOOT HE HAS, THAT OWNER HAS A 10 FOOT. SO, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THERE VERY SIMPLY THEN IS THERE, THEY'RE, AS YOU SEE IT BY DEEDED, THERE ARE THREE LOTS BY SUBDIVIDED BY LOT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SUBDIVIDED BY DEEDED DEEDED. WHAT'S THE THIRD LOT THOUGH? BECAUSE I THOUGHT DEED WAS PART THAT THE ACCESS IS PART OF DEED. REMEMBER, UH, THE WAY THE TOWN REQUIRES THE NOMENCLATURE FOR PURPOSES OF SUBDIVISION IS THE TOWN RECOGNIZES THESE PROPERTIES BY TAX LOT. UM, AND SO I AM MERGING THREE TAX LOTS. WELL, WHEN WE IDENTIFY. OKAY. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY, I GET THAT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, SO YOUR PROPOSAL, BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS JUST MERGING THESE, THESE TWO LOTS. TWO LOTS IN EFFECT. NO. ONE, ONE LOT. YOU DON'T MERGE ONE LOT. ELLIOT, YOU MERGED TWO. NO, NO, NO. MERGING. MERGING THE TAX. THE TWO DEEDS. THE TWO DEEDS AND SINGLE NOT TAX. THOSE TWO SUB LOT, THEY'RE ONLY TAX LOTS VERSUS PURPOSE. UH, AS AARON POINTS OUT THE, THE, THE, THE THREE PARCELS HAVE SEPARATE ID NUMBERS, PARCEL ID NUMBERS. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE MERGING THE PARCELS WITH EACH SEPARATE ID NUMBER. RIGHT. PARCEL D HAPPENS TO HAVE TWO PARCEL ID IN. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT A HAIRCUT, I WANNA ASK THE QUESTION PLEASE. SURE. YOU SAID THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT GOES DOWN AND THAT WAS MEANT FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THEIR DOOR. YES. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU DEVELOPED THERE? THAT, THAT PEOPLE WILL STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO WALK THROUGH D EASEMENT ACROSS THEIR LAND DEED EASEMENT. IT'S SUBJECT TO THE EASEMENT. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU WALKED ACROSS THAT LAND SEEN, SIR. SO YOU CAN'T PUT UP A, A FENCE HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, IF OWNER, IF THE OWNER WERE TO PUT UP A FENCE TO BLOCK THE EASEMENT WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE EASEMENT HOLDER, THAT PERSON WOULD BE, UH, HAVE A PROBLEM OR PUT A GATE IN. OR PUT A GATE IN THE DEFENSE, WHICH YOU I, YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO GET A WAIVER. THEY, THEY, THAT IS A MATTER. I MEAN, UH, SINCE IT'S ON THE MAPS, EVERYONE KNOWS IT. THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY KNOWS IT. UH, HE HAS, YOU KNOW, CHOICES. HE COULD SAY I'M BUILDING AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LADY WALKING HER DOG. OR HE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GONNA BUY THAT EASEMENT RIGHT AWAY. MM-HMM. AND, UH, AND ELIMINATE IT. HE, THOSE ARE ALL CHOICES THAT THE NEW OWNER CAN MAKE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO WHY DON'T GO BACK TO, I GO BACK TO THE LAW ITSELF FOR NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD HISTORY, WHICH IS HELPFUL. NO, IT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT WAS CON YOU CAN IMAGINE, I MEAN, AS WELL AS YOU'RE RIGHT MR. BERNSTEIN. OKAY. THIS IS ONE OF YOUR SHORTER ONES ACTUALLY IN YOUR CAREER. BUT, BUT, BUT I COULD, IT WAS YOUR RIGHT. THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED. I, BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I NEEDED TO KNOW THAT HISTORY IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. OKAY. I UNDER I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. DO NOW, NOW I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I WENT BY THE PROPERTY THAT I SAW WAS ELLIOT, WAS, I SAW A LOT ABOUT ROCK OUT CROPPINGS. IF YOU DID ANY BORINGS FROM THE PROPERTY. UH, WELL, WE, WE DID NOT DO ANYTHING ON THIS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOIL, THE SOIL, UH, MAPPING THE SOIL DOES HAVE, UM, A DEPTH TO, TO, UH, LIMITING FACTOR OF 80, 88, MORE THAN 80 INCHES. UH, WE DID JUST BUILD A HOUSE, UM, ON THE ADJACENT LOT, NOT ME, BUT, UM, A BUILDER THAT JUST BOUGHT A, BUILT A HOUSE AT 3 0 5. CLAYTON HERE SAW THAT, UH, THE, THE, UH, DRY WELLS OR THE CULTECH THAT THEY PUT IN ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. I COULD PUT THOSE ON MY SCREEN, IF YOU LIKE. AND HE HAD A, UM, AND THAT WAS DONE BY, UH, H E C ENGINEERING AT, UH, UM, DIFFERENT COMPANY. WE WEREN'T PART OF THE DESIGN. HE HAD A THREE MINUTE PER INCH PER RATE, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN GET. OKAY. SO, UH, PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE AREA IS CONSISTENT. UM, AND THEY DIDN'T HIT ANY OF THOSE, UH, TYPES OF ITEMS. SO I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, UH, WE WOULD, UM, I MEAN, WE COULD ALWAYS GET A, A EXCAVATOR IN THERE. IT'LL COST IT A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND, AND, AND DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE. WELL, THE ONLY THING I'M SUGGESTING IS WHERE YOU HAVE, ARE SUGGESTING THE FOOTPRINT TO BE, TO, TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY ROCK CHIPPING OR ANYTHING IN THERE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW. AND, AND ALSO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE THE, THE CULEX TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THOSE AREAS ARE OKAY. THAT THAT'S ALL. SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS REASONABLE. AND IF THERE'S ANY CHIPPING OR ANYTHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. 'CAUSE THERE ARE, BECAUSE CLEARLY ARE ROCK AS YOU GO UP THE HILL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK I, I REMEMBER SEEING SOME ROCK OUT PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. YEAH. I THINK WE SHOW A ROCK OUT. PROBABLY GONNA PLAN ON THERE. [02:00:01] YES. YEAH. SO, SO I, I ASSUME YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO PLAN AWAY FROM THOSE. BUT JUST TO BE SAFE, IF YOU, IF YOU KNEW THAT, KNEW WHERE THE, IN THE FOOTPRINT, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY ISSUE THERE, THAT'S ALL. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT, UM, HE PROVIDE YOU MAY JUST, HE MAY WANT TO DO ONE OR TWO BORINGS JUST ON THE, WHERE THE FOOTPRINT IS JUST TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, WELL, RIGHT. YOU DON'T SAY BORINGS, YOU JUST EXCAVATION OR JUST PITS TEST PITS. YEAH. THE TEST. NOT, NOT A, NOT A, NOT A, NOT A WHOLE BORING, NO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN 10 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. PER PIT. OKAY. JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND SECONDLY, UM, I GUESS TELL US ABOUT, WE DO NEED, BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING, UM, WITH THE, UH, THE FACT THAT AT THIS POINT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE BUILT THERE. OKAY. WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, HAS OUR ENGINEER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THEIR DRAINAGE PLAN YET? YES. THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT PRELIMINARILY. OKAY. FOR COMPLIANCE. IS IT AT THE NEW 25 YEAR? I CAN FIND OUT AHEAD OF, OKAY, BOB, WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE'VE DONE? IS WE'VE, UH, WE NOW, YOU, WELL, I THINK WE DID FOR 25 YEARS. 25 YEAR STORM UHHUH, WHICH IS SOME WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR UP TO 50, BUT THEN VOLUNTARILY. YEAH. VOLUNTARILY. BUT THE, THE WEATHER SERVICES NOW UP HAS CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF A 25 YEAR STORM. STORM. IT'S ADDED A FEW INCHES TO IT. I THOUGHT IT WAS A 25 YEAR EXTREME EXTREME STORM EVENT. YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT, ELLIOT? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE NUMBER RAINFALL IS. YOU GO TO THAT WEBSITE, UH, AT EVERY, YOU KNOW, YEAR. SO YOU'VE, THEY CHECK THE RUNOFF NUMBERS. SO YOU'RE, YOU, THE NUMBER OF COLD TEXTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED FOR IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONCEPTUAL HOME MEETS THAT 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM EVENT? THE NEW ONE. THE UPDATED ONE, YES. OKAY. OKAY. WHERE DOES THE, HAS, UH, GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT LOOKED AT AT THIS, BEEN PROVIDED? UH, HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE GOTTEN ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS. AND IT WAS CIRCULATED MONTHS AGO. OKAY. I, I THINK MR. BERNSTEIN CAN HELP US PREDICT THAT, THAT WITH THE, I DO THEY NORMALLY RESPOND WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE COMMENTS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY AT LEAST THEY DON'T HAVE COMMENTS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE. I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE REALLY, BOB, IS ACCESS TO THAT DRIVEWAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. 'CAUSE THEY BACK DOWN STREETS ALL THE TIME. TIME AND, AND, AND, NO, I THINK, BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS, UH, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE A WR A WRITING TO CONFIRM THEY HAVE NO CON THAT THEY RE CAN, THEY JUST PROVIDED THEY RECEIVED, I KNOW THEY RECEIVED IT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, IT WAS REPORTED, UH, AT THEIR PUBLIC MEETING THAT THEY RECEIVED. IT JUST SAID THAT THEY SEE THAT THEY RECEIVED JUST ASK, ASK WAL WALTER TO SEND SOMETHING TO SAY, WE HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING. SEND SOMETHING BACK TO US. NO, I, I, THAT CERTAINLY WE CAN DO. RIGHT? BECAUSE MR. STINO INDICATED THAT SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT WANT TO TURN OUT OR SOMETHING JUST IN THE EVENT THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND SOMEBODY'S DRIVING OUT ON A VEHICLE. I, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, FIRE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS. BUT I ALSO KNOW, BECAUSE WALT, THE PERSON YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, HAS PUBLICLY DISCLOSED THE, THE FACT THAT HE RECEIVED THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT RECEIVED THESE PLANS, UH, AND, AND, AND WAS REVIEWING ON THE, REVIEWING THEM. AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THEY HAD ANY COMMENT. BUT I WAS NOT AWARE UNTIL JUST NOW THAT THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. THEY DID NOT. WE JUST NEED CONFIRMATION. SO I I THIS ON, IN THE FILE THAT YEAH. RECEIVED NO COMMENT. WE DO THAT WITH ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS. NO, I UNDERSTOOD. I HAD I KNOWN THAT IT HADN'T BEEN RECEIVED, I WOULD'VE FOLLOWED UP TODAY. SUSPECT YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON, ON THIS? NO. NO. NO. OKAY. GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE, GUYS? TONIGHT? MM-HMM. WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP ON? SO NEXT STEP, I MEAN, UH, MR. CSOR CAN COORDINATE FOR THE TEST PITS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND WE WOULD WANT THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN TO DEMONSTRATE THE, THE CLIENTS. ANYBODY WANNA DO A SITE VISIT? WOULDN'T SMALL TOWN, TWO SMALL GROUPS? I DID NOT NOTICED. I I, YEAH, I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS I WOULD LIKE, IF POSSIBLE, TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THOSE THINGS AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER WORK SESSION. SO IS THAT POSSIBLE? UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS UNDERSTAND WHEN, 'CAUSE WE JUST HAD A PUBLIC HEARING THAT ENDED UP GETTING ADJOURNED BECAUSE WHILE THEY SAID THEY COULD GET THE TEST BITS DONE IN TIME, THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T. AND WE HAD TO ADJOURN. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS UNDERSTAND LAST SECOND THE TIMEFRAME, THE ADDITIONAL TEST BITS IN THAT CASE. UM, WELL, THAT'S WHEN IT CAN BE DONE. JUST REPORT BACK TO US, GET US THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I'LL REPORT BACK TO THE CHAIR. RIGHT. AND, AND GET IT BACK ON THIS SCHEDULE. WE DO, WE DO NORMALLY DO SCHEDULING. WE DO, WE CAN DO SCHEDULING OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT. I WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT LEVEL [02:05:01] OF COMFORT THAT WE SET. YEAH. SO LET'S, LET'S TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. UH, AND ELLIOT AND I WILL TOUCH BASE TOMORROW. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HISTORY. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF MY QUESTIONS WHEN I SAID I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR PLAN. OKAY. I GOT A HISTORY CHANNEL OR NO ADS. SO , I, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED. IT'S FASCINATING BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS FASCINATING. AND IT, FRANKLY, IT WAS THE ONLY WAY I COULD COME UP WITH A PLAN TO HELP THIS CLIENT PROPERTY. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DID AND WHY YOU DID. NOW THAT'S HELPFUL. ALL GREAT. THANK BOB. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SAFE. SEE HOW THEY USED TO DO THINGS? HOW ARE THE KIDS? MY KIDS ARE GREAT. ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY VISITING ME, UH, THIS WEEK. UH, HE DECIDED HE NEEDED A STAYCATION AND DECIDED STAYING AT HOME, UH, WOULD, WOULD BE GOOD. UH, THAT'S GOOD. AND THE OTHER ONE'S IN CALIFORNIA AND WHO KNOWS? BUT, UH, HOPEFUL. HE'S DOING PROGRAMMING. THE ONE IN CALIFORNIA DOING PROGRAMMING. WHAT'S HE DOING? NO, HE'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE, YOU'RE ON TV. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IF YOU DON'T MIND. . HE'S PROUD OF HIS KIDS. HE, HE GRADUATED WITH A COUPLE OF DEGREES UHHUH. ONE OF THEM WAS IN COMPUTER SCIENCE, THE OTHER WAS IN ENGLISH. SO HE, UH, WORKS FOR A STARTUP, UM, EXPLAINING, UH, ENGLISH TO THEM, ENGLISH TO ENGINEERS, UM, FOR, UH, UH, PURPOSE. I GUESS IT'S ONE OF THOSE STARTUPS THAT HAS TO DO WITH MONETIZING CONTENT FROM THE INTERNET. IT'S, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANYWAY. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FASCINATING STUFF. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. ALRIGHTYY LIKE A GEEK. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DOES. YEAH. BREAK IT DOWN FROM SIMPLE. AND, AND THEY PAY HIM A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THAT. I APPARENTLY THAT'S A BIG THING. AND THE OTHER KID IS, UH, JUST WRITING MUSICALS. SO NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. MR. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANKS BOB. NOW SEE, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MR. STEINMAN JEALOUS 'CAUSE HE DIDNT GET TO SIT AT THE TABLE. CAN I PLEASE? ACTUALLY, YOU CAN IF YOU'D LIKE TO. YEAH, WERE FRIENDS WITH MARTY. HEY, YOU DON'T WANNA SIT NEXT TO TYPHOID MARIO? YEAH, BUT ICE WE'RE STILL SHE WAS, SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. GUYS. PULL UP A COUPLE CHAIRS. CHAIR OVER THERE. WE WILL CATCH UP. GOOD NIGHT, BOB. YEAH. SORRY. WAL WALTER. WR LATE AGAIN. EVERYBODY. IT WAS THAT ONE QUESTION. IT WAS WALTER. WALTER, WHY DO YOU ALWAYS GET BLAMED? HE'S STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. HE'S GONNA LOVE THAT. GET HIM A NICE LITTLE'S. STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN ZOOM. IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY IN PERSON. YOU KNOW, YOU LEARN A LOT MORE THAN THAT. IT IS, IT'S NICE TO BE BACK THERE. OKAY, LAST BUT NOT LEAST. UM, THIS WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANYONE WHO HAS THE AGENDA, AGENDA, AGENDA, THE LAST AGENDA. OKAY. IF YOU GUYS WANNA FINISH, LET'S GO. COME ON, LET'S GO. CASE PLAYED WITH 2024 CASAL AT 34, 40 AND 50. SAW MILL RIVER ROAD. PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD. OH, ARE WE DONE? THANK YOU. . STEVE SLOPE PERMIT A AND REQUEST FOR EXTENSIONS. SO, UH, DO YOU WANNA START WITH, UH, MR. STEM'S LETTER? BY THE WAY, I FOUND A LETTER WHERE YOU WERE WORKING FOR DIFFERENT FIRM THAT GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 25 YEARS NOW. NO, BUT THIS SAID YOU WERE WORKING FOR IT A FEW YEARS AGO. SAY AGAIN? YOU'VE BEEN MOONLIGHTING AT BEL. OH, A LETTER SAID I WAS WORKING. YES. IT WAS ADDRESSED TO YOU AT THE WRONG FIRM. OH, PETER WISE ANSWERED IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. THAT'S HYSTERICAL. THAT'S GREAT. PETER ANSWERED, MY FRIENDLY COMPETITORS ACROSS THE STREET WERE LIKE, EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL, MARK YOU, YOU BROUGHT HIM HERE AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. THAT'S GREAT. HE, HE ACTUALLY IS SENDING ALL THIS DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS. HE KNOWS WHAT I THINK OF DRIVE THROUGH. SO, YEAH. SO WE'LL LET MR. STEINS WALK US THROUGH THE REQUEST FOR EXTENSIONS. YES. INCLUDING PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, WHICH WOULD BE THE SECOND GOT IT. SITE PLAN AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST. OKAY. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I, I HOPE YOU ALL KNOW, UM, JOE ELLI FROM KELLO SESSIONS, OUR PROJECT ENGINEER, PETE RE FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I KNOW JOHN CANNING IS THERE IN CYBERSPACE SOMEWHERE. HE'S HE'S RIGHT THERE. WELL WAKE UP JOHN. HEY JOHN. YOU CAN SHOW YOURSELF. THERE. THERE ARE YOU. THERE HE IS. HELLO JOHN. [02:10:02] SO I CALL, UM, I, YOU ALL MAY REALIZE, UM, OUR FIRM DID NOT REPRESENT, UH, MR. CASALI. AND, UH, THE, IT'S REFERRED TO AS THE SAWMILL, SAWMILLS, STONE AND SUPPLY, STONE AND SUPPLY FACILITY. WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME BEFORE THE BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, IT DID RECEIVE, AS AARON JUST INDICATED, UH, A A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, STEEP SLOPES APPROVAL. AND AT THAT TIME, UM, IT DID NOT CONSIST OF THE ENTIRETY OF PROPERTY THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN TODAY. SO THEY'VE EXPANDED, THEY'VE PURCHASED MORE PROPERTY ADJACENT MORE TO TWO MORE. EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, TWO MORE PARCELS SAW, INCLUDING LIKE WHAT WAS KIND OF ALMOST THE MISSING TOOTH IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THIS SITE. OKAY. UM, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANT FOR WHY THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY GRANTED, EVERYBODY WANTED TO KEEP IT ALIVE. NOBODY WANTED TO, TO ABANDON IT. BUT IT REALLY DOES DOVETAIL INTO AND RELATE TO LARGELY WHY THE THREE OF US ARE NOW A TEAM TRYING TO HELP MR. CASALI FINALIZE AND IMPROVE THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE SITE. WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE WITH AN EXTENSION OF THE APPROVALS THAT MR. NOLL HAD GOTTEN ORIGINALLY. THERE'S NO REASON TO ABANDON THAT. OKAY. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE BOARD FINISHES ITS CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION THAT'S PRESENTLY PENDING. THE APPLICATION THAT'S PRESENTLY PENDING RELATES TO THE WHOLE SHEBANG. UM, AND MOST OF THE SITE, AND IT'S AN EXISTING, UM, STONE AND MATERIALS, UH, RETAIL AND WHOLESALE OPERATION. MR. CASALI AND HIS FATHER AND HIS FAMILY HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS IN, IN THE COUNTY FOR DECADES. UM, THEY RUN A VERY SUCCESSFUL STONE SUPPLY WHERE THEY, UH, GO OUT TO VARIOUS JOB SITES AND DO WORK AND THEY DO MAGNIFICENT STONE AND MASONRY WORK. THIS SITE, IF ANYBODY HAS NOT VISITED, YOU CAN GO THERE. YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AND LOOK AT SAMPLES AND GO INSIDE THE BUILDING AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT. THEY'VE GOT SOME OF THEIR WORK ON DISPLAY AND WALLS, ET CETERA. SO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS NOW TAKE THIS ENTIRE SITE, WHICH IS EXPANDED NOW, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE ACQUISITION AND WITH JOHN CANNINGS OVERSIGHT AND RECOMMENDATIONS MAKE IT MORE FUNCTIONAL. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CURB CUTS THERE TODAY. WE ARE PROPOSING A REDUCTION IN TOTAL CURB CUTS AND TRYING TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. JOHN HAS MADE SOME, UH, VERY IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS TO PETE. PETE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT WHILE WE MAY NOT BE HERE TONIGHT TO COMPLETELY GO INTO THE REVISED SITE PLAN. RIGHT. 'CAUSE WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE REVISED SITE. RIGHT. UM, IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. I I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE STAFF HAS RELEASED IT TO THE BOARD. RIGHT. SO LET ME UPDATE THE BOARD ON THAT. PART OF THE ADDITIONALLY WHY WHAT WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN CONNECTION WITH THE PB 20 DASH OH FOUR, THE FORMER PROJECT, THE SITE HAS BEEN MODIFIED. THE SITE HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO BUILD A WALL AND SOME FENCING WITH SOME STONE PILLARS. AND IN CONNECTION WITH THE NEW SITE PLAN REQUEST, MR. CANNING WHO WAS FORWARDED THE PLANS AND WENT OUT AND CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT, OBSERVED THE WALL AND THE FENCING AND THE COLUMNS AND HAD SOME CONCERNS RELATED TO SITE DISTANCE. UM, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE AN, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A MORE ACTIVE SITE IN THE FUTURE, WITH IT ALL BEING TIED TOGETHER AND CONNECTED, UH, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OF AN OPERATION. SO IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR EXTENSIONS, WE WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE TO THE SITE AT THE TIME YOU'RE REQUESTING. CAN, CAN YOU PUT UP THE PICTURE? YEAH, I THINK, JOE, I CAN BRING UP THE PLAN. I HAVE IT AS, IS THERE SITE YOU MAY USE THE ZOOM LINK TO SHARE. YES. IF YOU NEED ME, I CAN PULL IT. I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THAT VISUAL IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN, THAN ANYTHING. THAT'S FINE. THIS IS GOOD THAT, YEAH. OKAY. JOHN, YOU THERE, JOHN? YES, I'M HERE. OKAY. TELL US WHAT, WHEN YOU WENT OUT THERE, WHAT YOU FOUND AND WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS ABOUT, ABOUT THE WAY THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED. SURE. UM, UH, THE ORIGINAL PLANS SHOWED AN AREA ALONG THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE BETWEEN THIS DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT AND THE SECOND NEXT DRIVEWAY DOWN. NOT THE ONE IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT, BUT THE ONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN. AND IT SHOWED THAT AREA NEEDED TO BE PRESERVED FREE AND CLEAR OF OBSTRUCTION SO THAT IT WOULDN'T, UM, BLOCK SIGHT LINES. AND WHEN I WENT OUT TO INSPECT THE SITE, I NOTICED THAT THE WALL WAS [02:15:01] BUILT IN THIS AREA AND IT DOES INDEED REDUCE SIDELINES. UM, THEREFORE, THEREFORE MAKING IT, UM, NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARDS AT THE NORTH DRIVEWAY FOR VEHICLES THAT WANT TO COME OUT. SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO HAVE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ACTIVITY AT THE NORTH DRIVEWAY, BUT NOW THAT THIS WALL IS HERE, YOU CAN'T SEE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC. SO THE APPLICANT IN RESPONSE IS PROPOSING TO, UH, NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO OUT OF THE NORTH DRIVEWAY, NOT TO GO OUT OF IT. SO ONE WAY IN INGRIS ONLY CORRECT. ONE WAY IN AT THE NORTH DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IF YOU GO OUT AND YOU WANNA SEE TRAFFIC COMING NORTHBOUND ON ROUTE NINE A, YOU CAN'T SEE THEM FOR, FOR THE MINIMUM REQUIRED DISTANCE TO, TO ALLOW THEM TO STOP SAFELY. IF YOU, JOHN, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE COLUMN AT THE CORNER THERE OR THE WALL ITSELF? IT'S, WELL, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. IF IT, IF, IF IT WAS JUST THE COLUMN AND NOT THE REST OF THE WALL, THEN YOU COULD PROBABLY BACK UP A LITTLE BIT FROM THE COLUMN AND SEE AROUND IT. OR, UH, BUT 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T BACK, JUST TAKE UP THAT LAST, MY THOUGHT WAS IF IT WAS JUST THAT IT COULD SIMPLY TAKE OUT THAT LAST COLUMN. WELL, BUT IT'S THE WHOLE EXPAND DOWN TO THE NEXT DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. THEY, THEY BASICALLY, WHEN YOU LINE UP RIGHT NEXT TO THEM, THEY KIND OF FORM AN IMPENETRABLE LINE. SO EVEN IF YOU PULL OUT TO THE CURB, OH, YOU CAN SEE, OKAY. YOU'RE STILL, IT'S STILL OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW NORTHBOUND. SO, YOU KNOW, I, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED IN DETAIL AT HOW MUCH OF A CHANGE THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE TO THE WALL TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD UHHUH . ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW, IT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD. OKAY. WOULD YOU, IF, IF, IF THEY DID IT THE WAY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT GIST AN INGRESS THERE, DOES THAT SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM? OR, OR DOES, DO WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN ANOTHER, IN OTHER DRIVEWAYS AS WELL? UM, WELL, IT, IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM AT THAT LOCATION. OKAY. AND IN, IN REVIEWING THE SIDELINES AT THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS, THEY HAVE ADEQUATE SIDELINES AT THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS. OKAY. UH, FOR STOPPING SITE DISTANCE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A REDUCTION ON INTERSECTION TO SITE DISTANCE, BUT THAT'S LESS, LESS OF A CONCERN. AND IT'S ONLY ON ONE MOVEMENT. OKAY. NOW YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU DO ACTUALLY, THERE'S HUGE NUMBER OF CURB, CURB CUTS THERE. ARE YOU PLANNING REDUCING THOSE CURB CUTS? YES, THERE ARE. YEAH. I THINK THERE'S FIVE. THERE'S FIVE THAT, RIGHT. UH, OF WHICH I THINK ONLY FOUR ARE FUNCTIONAL. ONE OF 'EM IS JUST A DEPRESSED CURB THAT GOES INTO A WALL. THERE'S NO REAL DRIVEWAY. DON'T DRIVE IN THERE. THAT'S THE ONE I DON'T DRIVE IN. ALTHOUGH TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE STATE AT SOME POINT PERMITTED THAT. BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING CLOSING THAT ONE AS WELL AS CLOSING THE, I THINK THE NEXT SOUTHERLY DRIVEWAY FROM THE MOST NORTHERLY DRIVEWAY WITH THE JOHN WOULD ME TO SHARE A PLAN. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT CORRELATES WITH JOHN'S FINDINGS TO THE DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS. DID YOU PICK THE BEST ONES? MM-HMM. . AND YOU GONNA DO EGRESS IN AND INGRESS FROM THE SAME DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE? I REMEMBER GOING OUT THERE, ALL I REMEMBER WAS THIS WAS THE BUSIEST PLACE I HAD EVER BEEN TO THE BUSINESS ITSELF. I WAS SCARED. I WAS SCARED TO GO IN AND SCARED TO LEAVE. I, IT, IT, IT WAS, DO YOU MEAN THE ROAD WAS BUSY OR THE BUSINESS ITSELF? NO, THE PLACE ITSELF THERE. TRUCKS COMING OUT. CARS GOING IN CARS. LIKE I, I HAD TO HAVE A TRUCK DRIVER, GET IN MY CAR AND GET MY CAR OUT OF THERE. I I, I COULDN'T GET OUT. I COULDN'T GET OUT. THERE'S MATERIAL STORAGE, YOU KNOW, DELIVERIES, MATERIAL DELIVERIES AS WELL AS DELIVER AN SO THEN WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT WORSE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING. WE'RE TELLING YOU IT'S GONNA GET BUSIER. WELL, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SAID IT'S GONNA GET BUSIER. SOMEBODY MADE THAT OBSERVATION. I ACT THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THEIR CLIENT BASE IS GOING TO EXPAND. CORRECT. THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SITE. THE BOARD SAID THAT, MONA, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. OKAY. SOMEBODY ELSE'S ME, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT IT'S GONNA GET BUSIER. HE'S, THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS A VERY LONG TIME. THEY WANTED, THEY NEEDED MORE SPACE. YOU, YOU JUST PROVED THAT THEY NEEDED MORE SPACE. YES. SO WHEN YOU WERE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WERE OUT THERE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE APPLYING FOR THE VOLUME. SINCE THEN THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR REAL ESTATE SIGNIFICANTLY. SO IT WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER STORAGE, BETTER CIRCULATION. NO, GO AHEAD. BETTER STORAGE, BETTER CIRCULATION AND A BETTER PARKING ARRANGEMENT THAT PETE HAS WORKED ON, UH, THAT JOHN HAS HAD WITH WITH JOHN. WITH JOHN. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE US, WE'RE GOING SURE. LET'S GO THROUGH THE CYCLE. WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE SET. YEAH. SO MY ONE QUESTION I GUESS IS, UM, NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSINESS ITSELF, BUT IS THE BUSINESS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES. AS WELL AS CONTRACTORS OR JUST, OKAY, SO IT'S BOTH. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT MONA, THAT'S WHAT MONA WAS DOING THERE. SHE'S, SHE'S MONA'S THE PUBLIC . YEAH, I KNOW TRESPASSER. I WAS TRESPASSED . SHE'S GETTING HER LITTLE GREEN CHART CARD. SHE [02:20:01] CAN TRESS CLOSE. SO THESE, THESE TWO LOTS HERE ARE THE, WERE THE SUBJECT OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SINCE THAT TIME, UH, MR. CASAL PURCHASED THE LONGER SOUTHERLY LOT, A LOT. AND THEN SINCE THEN WAS ABLE TO PICK UP THE, THE MISSING TOOTH. THAT'S THE MISSING TOOTH, DAVID. YES. REFERRED TO THERE ARE FIVE CUT CURB CUTS. RIGHT NOW. THERE'S UH, THE NORTHERLY CURB CUT, WHICH GIVES THE PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE RETAIL SPACE. THERE'S A DEPRESSED CURB HERE AT THIS LOCATION WITH THE WALL, WITH THE WALL THAT WE PROPOSED TO ELIMINATE. OKAY. THERE IS A THIRD CURB CUT IN THIS LOCATION, WHICH WE REFERRED TO AS THE CENTRAL CURB CUT, CENTRAL DRIVE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN. THERE IS A CURB CUT THAT SERVES OR USED TO SERVE THIS PARCEL THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED. AND THE FIFTH CURB CUT IS AT THE SOUTHERLY END OF THE SOUTHERLY LOT THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN AS WELL. OKAY. AND WHAT'S ALL THAT PROPERTY GONNA BE USED FOR? AND TO THE RIGHT, BUT IT'S ALL MATERIAL STORAGE. PRIMARILY MATERIAL STORAGE. SO IT'S, IT'S ALL TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING IN THERE RIGHT ON THE SOUTHERLY ENTRANCE. FOR THE MOST PART'S FORKLIFTS, IT'S, IT'S TRACTOR TRAILERS DELIVERING LARGE QUANTITIES OF STONE. THE FORK TRUCKS AND WHATNOT STAY INTERNAL TO THE SITE. OKAY. UM, AND WHAT'S NICE WITH HIM PICK BEING ABLE TO PICK UP ALL THESE PARCELS OF THAT, ALL THAT ACTIVITY CAN NOW TAKE PLACE ON SITE AND INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY. AND AWAY FROM THE RETAIL. AWAY FROM RETAIL. CORRECT. ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH THERE IS SOME, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT PEOPLE, RETAIL CUSTOMERS HAVE TO EXIT ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH? NO. CENTRAL ONE. RIGHT? I'M SORRY, THAT QUESTION. I THOUGHT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT INGRESS ONLY IN THE CENTER DELIVERY. CENTRAL. I KNOW SELL FOR YEAH. YOUR SALES, I MEAN DELIVERY OF PRODUCTS. MM-HMM. MATERIALS AND THEN RETAIL FOR CUSTOMERS. I, HOW DOES THAT TRAFFIC FLOW GO? THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT THERE. RIGHT. GOOD QUESTION. WELL, A, ANYONE GOING TO THE RETAIL SHOP, WHICH IS ON THE NORTHLY END CAN OKAY. CAN ENTER THROUGH THE NORTHLY DRIVEWAY AND THE PARKING SPACES ARE SITUATED CLOSE THERE TOO. OKAY. WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY, THEY WOULD GO TO THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE MIDDLE DRIVEWAY. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY CAN EXIT OUT OF THE MIDDLE DRIVEWAY. 'CAUSE THE SITE DISTANCE THERE IS, IS ADEQUATE FOR THAT. SO IT'S REALLY, THEY'RE BASICALLY REALLY STILL ON THE ORIGINAL SITE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. AND TAKE STAY AWAY AND STAY AWAY FROM THE TRUCKS AND YEAH. SO ALL THE, ALL THE MATERIAL MOTION AND EVERYTHING IS REALLY MORE ON THE SOUTHERLY END. THERE ARE SOME, I GUESS SOME STORAGE BINS IN THIS AREA, BUT MOST OF IT IS, IS, UH, DEDICATED MORE TOWARDS, BUT, BUT WHERE DO THE TRUCKS GO IN? WELL, THE TRUCKS WILL COME IN THE SOUTHERLY ENTRANCE. WHERE, WHERE AT THERE JOE? LIKE THERE. AND THEY'LL DELIVER THERE. AND THEN THEY CAN LEAN THROUGH THE MIDDLE DRIVEWAY. CAN THEY, CAN THEY SAFELY ACCESS THAT SOUTHERLY? YES. ENTRANCE. ACTUALLY THAT DRIVEWAY HAS, WHEN YOU'RE GOING SOUTHBOUND DISTANCE YEAH. HAS THE BEST SITE DISTANCE. JOHN JOHN CAN SPEAK TO THAT. AND I KNOW, I JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE 'CAUSE A SHARP TURN CUTTING INTO THE, AND MON BEFORE YOUR QUESTION, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR IN RESPONSE TO LESLIE, THEY CAN, THE RETAIL CUSTOMERS CAN COME IN ON THAT ONE WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE AND AS PETE SAID, CAN EXIT THROUGH THE CENTER. AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM JOHN THAT JOHN HAS ALREADY RECOMMENDED WE RESTRICT THE CENTER TO EXIT ONLY CORRECT PETE? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO HIS, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR JOHN. I TALKED TO HIM ONE OF THE, UM, HE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MECHANISM FOR HAVING SOME CONTROL. HIS PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MAKE IT EXIT ONLY. UM, I HAD SUGGESTED THAT SINCE WE HAVE AMPLE SIGHT DISTANCE AND, AND CARS CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, CARS AND TRUCKS CAN ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE ENTERING THERE. IS THAT, SEE HOW IT OPERATES. IF IT DOES PRESENT, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT'S PRESENTED, WE COULD PUT EITHER TIME LIMITATIONS ON. IN OTHER WORDS, IT CANNOT OPERATE DURING THE PEAK HOURS, YOU KNOW, AM AND PM PEAK HOURS WHEN THE TRAFFIC ON NINE A WOULD BE THE HEAVIEST. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A RETAIL OVER IN THE LEFT, CORRECT? CORRECT. WHEN I'M PICKING OUT STONE FOR A PROJECT, I'M PICKING A SAMPLE, BUT THEN WHEN I ACTUALLY PICK OUT THE STONE, I LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SLAB. SO I WALK TO THE YARD TO PICK OUT THE ACTUAL SLAB. SO I HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE, IS THAT NORTH? THAT'S THE SOUTH. THE RIGHT SOUTH. YOU COULD, SO THEN I HAVE TO WALK OVER TO THE SOUTH AND THEY'RE GONNA GIVE ME A HARD HAT AND I'M GONNA GO INTO THE YARD TO PICK OUT THE ACTUAL SLAB. SO NOW I'M GONNA BE OVER WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE. AM I NOT PRI PRIMARILY HE DOES, HE HAS THE BULK OF HIS SAMPLES. NO. ARE AT THE RETAIL SPACE. NO, I'M MY SLABS. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF SALT RIVER ROAD, THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE STORE, THIS AREA THAT I'M, I'M POINTING OUT, UH, THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA PICK MY SLABS. IF YOU WERE TO GO THERE, IF YOU WERE TO GO THERE TODAY, HE HAS A, A, A NUMBER OF SAMPLES OF SLATE, SLEE STONE. HE'S GOT DISPLAYS, MAYBE HE'S GOT HIS NOW HE'S, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL HAVE SHE WANTS THE EXACT SLAB. PICK OUT MY SLAB. 10, 12 FOOT [02:25:01] SLAB. YEAH. ALL THE SLABS ARE IN THE FRONT THERE. THEY'RE NOT STORED. I CAN'T IMAGINE STORED. I CAN'T IMAGINE I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE. CAN'T ME EITHER. I BET YOU THEY'RE OVER THERE. UNLESS THAT'S ONLY FOR STONED. A GRAVEL STONE OVER ON THE RIGHT IS THAT BINS OF STONES OVER IN THE SOUTH. BUT THERE IS GONNA BE PARKING, THERE'S PARKING ON THE SOUTH END. PARKING ON THE SOUTH END TOO. YEAH. SO LIKE A CUSTOMER'S PARKING THERE WHERE THERE'S, UM, BIG TRAILER TRUCKS COMING. I THINK I MIGHT NEED ANOTHER SITE VISIT. I THINK I WANNA SEE THE TRAFFIC CON AND SEE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. WHAT YOU'LL FIND HERE MOSTLY ARE F ONE FIFTIES FLATBEDS, YOU KNOW, SMALLER CONTRACTOR TRUCKS. THOSE OTHER TRUCKS, THE LARGER TRUCKS COME IN AND MUCH MORE RARELY AND OPERATE MUCH MORE RARELY THEY COME IN, THEY OFFLOAD AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. THEY MAY NOT COME BACK FOR DAYS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA ENCOUNTER THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. UM, I KNOW, BUT I WANNA SEE LIKE WHAT, HOW THIS IS LAID OUT AND WHERE THE CUSTOMERS ARE GOING AND HOW IT'S, WHERE WHERE'S THE CU HOLD ON. WHERE'S THE CUSTOMER PARKING ON THE SOUTH END? YEAH, YOU, IT'S, IT'S AT THE SOUTHERN BAR. SOUTHERN THERE ARE A TOTAL OF SEVEN SPACES. SO THEY'D HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE END HERE. HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT WE GET THE PLANS WITH SOME TIME TO REVIEW THEM. OF COURSE. WE ARE NOW GOING INTO GREAT DETAIL ON STUFF WE HAVE NOT SEEN. WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD IMPACT. GOOD, GOOD INPUT. BUT I'D RATHER GET BACK TO WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE BEFORE WE RUN OUT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, UH, FOR BOTH YOU AND JOHN IS LEFT TURN, LEFT TURNOUT. MM-HMM. , HOW COMFORTABLE ARE YOU AND HOW COMFORTABLE IS JOHN WITH LEFT TURN OUT OUT OF THAT, OUT OF THAT FACILITY, OUT OF THE SOUTHERLY DRIVEWAY I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IS VERY GOOD SIGHT DISTANCE. THE MIDDLE DRIVEWAY AS WELL HAS ADEQUATE SIGHT DISTANCE. AND IT, IT ALSO HAS THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A, A BIT OF A, A FLUSH MEDIAN THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF NINE A THERE WHERE TRUCKS CAN TRACK OVER THAT. UM, FOR PASSENGER CARS, THERE'S NO ISSUE AT ALL. I JUST WONDER IF, IF LIKE A FLASHING YELLOW LIGHT OR SOMETHING THAT'S SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, DOWN IN FRONT OF IT. JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? CAN WE DISCUSS IT WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THE PLAN? YEAH, I'M JUST ASKING. YEAH, I KNOW JOHN. YES. I'M LISTENING. I CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? JUST THINK ABOUT THAT FOR WHEN, WHEN WE, WE MEET YES. TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A, UH, THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH A LEFT TURNOUT AT, AT BOTH THE CENTER AND THE SOUTHERN LOCATION. SURE. UM, I, I HAVE SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS, BUT I'LL THINK ABOUT IT AND WHEN WE DISCUSS IT WITH, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TRAFFIC COMMENT YOU CAN DO. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'D RATHER INCORPORATE IT SO WE DON'T GO OVER IT AGAIN. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. IN TERMS OF NOW HOW MUCH OF AN EXTENSION DO THEY WANT? DO THEY ASK FOR IT? WELL, IT'S CUSTOMARY FOR, SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT EXTENSIONS. MM-HMM. , YOU GOT THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION REQUEST. YEP. THAT LAPSED ABOUT A YEAR AGO. THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. OKAY. THAT LAPSED A YEAR AGO. SO IT WOULD BE RETROACTIVE AND THEN ADDING TYPICALLY 90 DAYS. BUT I SUSPECT WHILE WE MAY, YOU MAY WANT MAYBE PERHAPS MORE TIME THAN THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE 180 DAY EXTENSIONS. WELL, WE NEED IMAGINE WE, YOU KNOW WHAT, FORGET ABOUT WHAT, WHAT RETROACTIVE JUST, AND JUST AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TWO EXTENSIONS ARE GONNA EN EXPIRE IN THE SAME TIME WE'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM. THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. SO LET, LET'S DECIDE WHEN IT'S REALISTIC FOR THEM TO EXPIRE. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT. OKAY. NOW WHEN ARE YOU GETTING US THE PLANS? YOU, SO THE BENEFIT OF TONIGHT IS I'M HOPING THAT AARON WILL NOW BE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO DISSEMINATE THE PLANS THAT YOU ALL HAVE. OKAY. THEY'VE BEEN FILED EVEN TRYING TO GET ON AN AGENDA. YES. YEAH. A WHILE. OKAY. YES. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND, AND THEN, AND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED, WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED A TON PRIOR TO TONIGHT. DAVID. NOW IN ALL FAIRNESS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE, THEY'VE INSTRUCTED DON'T BRING IT TO US UNTIL HE'S COMFORTABLE AND THAT'S WHY YOU GET THROUGH HERE FASTER. GOT IT. BECAUSE OF HIM. OKAY. WE'RE HERE. SO I JUST SO YOU GUYS HAVE OUR PLANS. OKAY. SO, SO FEBRUARY 1ST WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT ON PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 15TH, MAYBE. MAYBE. VERY WELL IT'S POSSIBLE. I I'D SAY GIVE HIM 90 DAYS FROM IT EXPIRES IN WILL THE FEBRUARY 4TH IS WHEN TWO OF THEM EXPIRES. YEAH. SO THIS, THE SITE PLAN AND THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT EXPIRE ON FEBRUARY 4TH. GIVE THEM TILL MAY 31ST. IT'S THREE MONTHS FROM THEN, RIGHT? MARCH, APRIL, MAY. IT'S MORE THAN YEAH, WE CAN GIVE 90 DAYS, NINE 90 DAYS FROM FEBRUARY 4TH. AND WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO FIX THE OTHER ONE, IT'S TO CATCH UP. OKAY. SO WHAT WE CAN VOTE ON IS WE MOVE THAT, THAT ALL THE EXTENSIONS ARE EXTENDED TILL MAY 4TH, 2023. THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION. DO I HAVE THAT MOTION FROM SOMEBODY, WALTER? SECOND. SECOND. MS. MORA, ALL IN [02:30:01] FAVOR A AYE AYE. OKAY. OPPOSED NOBODY. AND MS. KIM, WE CAN ASSUME AS A TEAM THAT WE WILL BE ON FOR A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 1ST. CORRECT. OKAY, AMANDA? NOPE. NOPE. SO NINE. I JUST LOOKED 90 DAYS FROM FEBRUARY 4TH IS MAY 5TH. OKAY. OH MY GOD. OKAY. SO MAY 5TH. MAY 5TH. AS MODIFIED. AS MODIFIED. OKAY. WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE FIRST. UM, AARON, IF THERE'S ANYTHING MORE YOU NEED FROM US OR JOHN NEEDS FROM US, LET US KNOW. I'LL EXPLAIN IT. YES. I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN, SO TWO PROJECTS, RIGHT? THE PROJECT THAT WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLANS FOR, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFF REPORT FOR WE WANT. AND THAT WASN'T SCHEDULED FOR A FORMAL DISCUSSION TONIGHT. WE GOT INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE THEY'RE CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TIED TO ONE ANOTHER. WE WILL GET YOU THE DRAWINGS IN YOUR NEXT PACKAGE, THE STAFF REPORT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE FORMAL WORK SESSION AS AN AGENDA ITEM. AND THAT WILL BE ON FEBRUARY 1ST, OUR NEXT MEETING. AND WE'RE NOT TO GIVE YOU ACTION OR ALL ON THE, ON THE OTHER ONE. HOPEFULLY THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE UNTIL WE DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE LARGER PROJECT. EXACTLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. PERFECT. WE APPRECIATE YOU GOING A LITTLE BIT BEYOND WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THE EXTENSION. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO NO, THANKS. TOTALLY APPRECI, JOHN. THANK YOU. AND HAVE A YOU, JOHN, IF YOU NEED US FOR ANYTHING ELSE, JUST LET US KNOW AS WELL. CAN I THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT TO DO THIS. SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. MO THANK YOU FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE REFRESHMENTS, WHATEVER. MONA, THIS WAS YOU. YOU BROUGHT DINNER. THANK YOU. I BROUGHT DINNER. . THAT'S OUR PAY. I'M GONNA TURN OFF THE, UH, RECORDING. RECORDING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.