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SO WE'RE READY.IT'S, UH, JANUARY, UH, 24TH, UM, AT FIVE 15.
AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM OF, UH, THE AGENDA IS, UH, THE AGENDA REVIEW.
SO WE JUST NEED, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THE CORRECTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE UPCOMING BOARD MEETING DATES.
I HAD, UH, GIVEN, UH, JOAN A COUPLE.
THERE WERE TWO, UH, PRESENTATIONS.
SO SHE HAS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
MS. JOAN, UH, ON THE LINE, HOW LONG, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE CHANGES? THERE WERE JUST, UH, UH, TWO, UH, THERE WAS SOME STUDENTS FROM THE GREENVILLE SCHOOL THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK, AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER I, I, I EMAILED IT TO, OR I THINK YESTERDAY OR TODAY.
WHAT ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT? ONE'S ABOUT SOLAR.
I, I EMAILED, UH, JOAN, THE, THE, OKAY.
WE CAN, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH JOAN.
YEAH, WE JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, SO IS THAT UNDER PRESENTATION? YEAH.
AND HOW LONG WAS THE PRESENTATION? FIVE MINUTES.
I TOLD EVERYBODY TO KEEP IT TO FIVE MINUTES.
AND THERE WERE TWO STUDENTS? TWO STUDENTS? YEAH, THERE WERE, YEAH.
AND THEN THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE ONES.
LET ME JUST, UH, SEE IF I, HOLD ON.
SHE WATCHES ON CABLE, SO I CAN'T TELL.
ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TWO THAT YOU SAID? THERE ARE TWO PRESENTATIONS BY STUDENTS AND THERE WAS A SECOND RES A SECOND.
WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU SEND IT? I SENT IT TO HER, UH, YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BE, IF YOU, I'M, I KEEP SENDING IT TO HER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I'LL HAVE TO, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL FOLLOW WITH HER TOMORROW.
I, I DON'T SEE SOMETHING THAT HAS SOLAR IN IT.
DID YOU SEND, SEND IT TO THE WHOLE BOARD? I JUST SENT IT TO HER.
SO SHE USUALLY, UH, SO THE GREENVILLE PARTICIPATES, WATCHES THE MEETINGS, RIGHT? YEAH, SHE, I THINK SHE WATCHES ON, ON CABLE AS OPPOSED TO THE, UH, THE ZOOM, BUT I COULD CHECK.
IT'LL BE HELPFUL WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS AS THE COPY OF THE BOARD AS WELL.
SO THIS, YEAH, I CAN'T FIND IT ON HERE.
SO ONE PRESENTATION IS, SO I THINK THERE'S LIKE TWO PRESENTATIONS I REMEMBER, BUT I, I, OKAY.
DO YOU, HOW DO THE SEARCH, PAUL? I KNOW, YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COMING UP.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH HER HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE NEED A SPECIAL MEETING FOR NEXT TUESDAY BECAUSE TWO ITEMS THAT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, UH, EMRICH CONTRACT, UM, IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
AND I UNDERSTAND HE GETS IN TROUBLE IF HE DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING BY THE END OF THE END OF JANUARY AS A LOBBYIST AND SOMETHING ELSE.
I MIGHT HAVE ONE MORE AGREEMENT THAT I NEED PLACED ON THAT MEETING AS WELL.
UM, BUT I WILL SUPPLY THE BOARD WITH THAT INFORMATION.
SO WE WANNA DO IT FOR NEXT TUESDAY, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE OFFICIAL MEETING.
ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES A REGULAR BOARD MEETING.
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MUCH GOING ON, HUH? ANYTHING ELSE? SO, WAIT A MINUTE.LET'S JUST, SO WE, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE 31ST? YEP.
OKAY, LEMME JUST PUT DOWN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS RICH ON LET'S, WHICH IS HERE.
HE'S HERE IN FRONT US ON YOUR, UH, I THINK IT'S THE, UH, PW ONE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING WITH THE LOWEST BIDDER.
YOU'RE GOING WITH THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.
OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE LOWEST BIDDER, THERE'S NOWHERE NEAR ANYBODY ELSE'S AND YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY DO THE WORK FOR THAT AMOUNT.
WHAT, WHY ARE YOU NOT PICKING THEM? THIS COMPANY ALSO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US.
THIS IS A SCADA SYSTEM, SO IT'S VERY INVOLVED AND THEY'VE HISTORICALLY DONE A LOT OF OUR WORK OR ALL OF OUR WORK PUTTING THE MICROPHONE.
SO SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE THEM 40 HOURS WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A NEW COMPANY, 400 HOUR AS ADVISED BY CHUCK MARTINS.
THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
CODE ENFORCEMENT UPDATE FROM FRANK.
JUST A COUPLE UPDATES FROM THE, UH, BUILD AN APARTMENT.
WE JUST, BRENDA, MIKE, I'M SORRY.
JUST A COUPLE UPDATES FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE ARE CANVASSING RIGHT NOW FOR THE ASSISTANT BUILDING INSPECTOR AND OFFICE MANAGER, UH, OFFICE ASSISTANT LIST RIGHT NOW.
AT THIS TIME WE HAVE MET WITH ALL THREE FIRE DISTRICTS AND THE, UH, CHIEFS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND COMMUNICATING BACK AND FORTH WITH NOTES AND VIOLATIONS AND SO FORTH.
ALSO, WE UH, IS THAT ALL THREE DISTRICT? ALL THREE.
GREENVILLE, HARTSDALE AND FAIRVIEW.
UM, THE, UH, HAR HAVE THEY MET WITH THEM? YEAH.
THEY ALL THREE CAME INTO THE OFFICE THIS WEEK.
THEY TRY TO COMMUNICATE, UH, MESSAGES BACK AND FORTH AS FAR AS VIOLATIONS AND PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE INSPECTED SO WE CAN REPORT TO THE STATE.
IS THAT A WRITTEN AGREEMENT? SO YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING OUTLINED OF WHAT EACH RESPONSIBILITY PARTY'S GONNA BE CANCELED? NO, IT'S NOT A WRITTEN, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY, YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A PROCEDURE TOGETHER FOR THAT.
UH, THE HARTSDALE GREENHOUSES, WE HAD CONDUCTED AN INSPECTION WITH THE HARTSDALE FIRE CHIEF TOWN ENGINEER, NEW YORK STATE, D E C WESTCHESTER COUNTY SOLID WASTE COMMISSIONS.
AND, UH, FOUND IT TO BE THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN SHUT DOWN FOR ILLEGAL, UH, TRANSFER STATION WOOD PROCESSING CENTER.
THERE WAS A STOP WORK ORDER ISSUED UP THERE.
AND, UH, I WAS TOLD BY THE FIRE CHIEF OF HARTSDALE, ME AND JOE, UH, JASON OLA, THAT A FORMER BUILDING INSPECTOR TOLD HIM THAT, UH, HE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF ALL THE FIRE INSPECTIONS AND, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT UP THERE.
SO IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN YEARS.
SO JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, WHAT'S THAT PROPERTY? UH, HARTSVILLE GREENHOUSE IS OFF OF C CAR ROAD.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, AND WHAT DID, WHAT DID YOU FIND? INVEST? UH, THEY HAD THE WOOD PROCESSING CENTER AND TRANSFER STATION FOR PROCESSING TREES, LARGE AMOUNTS OF TREES.
THE D E C, UH, NO LICENSE ISSUED TO THEM.
SO THEY GOT SUMMONSES FROM THE D E C AND UH, WE HAD PUT A STOP WORK ORDER
WE HAD, I HAD EMAILED YOU, I THINK ON THAT, RIGHT? YES.
I WAS WITH THE SMOKE, THE CHIMNEYS AND ALL THE PLACE THAT, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND EVERY TIME THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD GO OUT, MIRACULOUSLY THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR, WOULDN'T HAVE THEIR, THEIR STOVES ON.
UH, BUT YOU DON'T ASK PERMISSION BEFORE YOU, YOU ACTUALLY, UH, WORKED WITH THE D E C TO ACTUALLY GET THIS THING ADDRESSED.
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THAT'S AND YOU FOUND THAT THE, UH, THERE WAS MOUNDS OF YES, THERE WAS SMOLDERING, THERE WAS A LARGE AMOUNTS OF, UH, PILES OF MULCH UP THERE, SMOLDERING ACTUALLY ON FIRE IN THE BACKWOODS OF THE DRIVING RANGE AND NEXT TO THE RESIDENCES.WHICH COULD HAVE CREATED A REALLY BIG PROBLEM.
YOU CALLED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? YEP.
FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ON SCENE AND THEY, UH, ACTUALLY STRETCHED THE PILE OUT SO THEY DIDN'T CATCH FIRE FOR THE NIGHT, BUT THEY'RE MOVING ALL THE MATERIALS OUTTA THAT SITE AT THIS POINT.
AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE, CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S BEEN YEARS.
THAT CASE BE BECAUSE WHY? WHY HAS IT BEEN, WHY, WHY? THE LONG TIME SINCE IT'S BEEN INSPECTED FROM WHAT THE HEARTS OF FIRE CHIEF TOLD ME AND THE ENGINEER WAS THAT HE WAS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS TOLD NOT TO GO ON THE SITE.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS GONNA HANDLE ALL THE FIRE INSPECTIONS AND THE, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUES AT THAT SITE.
AND THEN FROM YOU COMING ON BOARD, YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY RECORD THAT THAT WAS BEING DONE? NO, THERE WAS NO RECORD.
THAT'S WHY IT STARTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE, THE FIND OUT.
WHAT WERE THEY LOOKING AT OUT HERE? 'CAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM.
OKAY, SO YOU THEN CONTACTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND NOW YOU'RE WORKING COOPERATIVELY.
AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN GO, I ASSUME YOU TOLD 'EM THEY CAN GO OUT ANYTIME THEY WANT? YEAH.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, SO THERE'S NO SCHEDULE.
AND THERE'S A STOP WORK ORDER ON THE PROJECT, ON THE PROPERTY ANYWAY, JUST OUTBOUND MATERIALS GOING OUT.
NOTHING ALLOWED TO COME BACK IN UNTIL PLANNING BOARD AND ZONING IS OKAY.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, THE, THE REGENERON, WE'RE GONNA DO A SITE VISIT ON FRIDAY, IF THAT WORKS FOR ANYBODY TO TAKE A RIDE OUT TO REGENERON IF THEY WANT.
WHAT TIME OF TIME? UH, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
I'LL SEND AN INVITE OUT IN THE YOU TOMORROW, THEN YOU GUYS CAN RESPOND, PICK A TIME.
SO JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN YOU SAY AFTERNOON, LATE AFTERNOON, EARLY AFTERNOON, JUST TO GET AN IDEA? UH, AFTER ONE O'CLOCK.
YEAH, I THINK MY IS IN THE MORNING CHECK ON THAT.
DID IS THERE ANY MORE ABOUT, THEY'RE NOT USING THE HYDRANTS ANYMORE, I ASSUME, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S REGENERON, RIGHT? YES.
WE HAVE A MEETING OUT THERE WITH THE WATER REGENERON.
AND THE TRUCKS ARE NOW CARRYING THE CORRECT LOADS? YES.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING MONITORED NOW.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A MONITOR OUT THERE NOW MONITORING THE TRUCKS TO TURN 'EM AROUND IF THEY'RE TOO HEAVY TO DUMP BACK OUT AND GET RELOADED AGAIN.
SO THAT'S THE WAIT STATE, THAT'S THE WAIT STATION THAT'S ON SITE.
WE HAVE TO PASS LIKE A LAW RELATING TO THE WAIT STATION? UM, NO, THEY'RE DOING IT ON ONSITE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE VEHICLES ARE GETTING WEIGHED ON THE PROPERTY.
IF THEY'RE OVERWEIGHT, THEY'RE ABLE TO GO AROUND, TAKE SOME MATERIAL OFF THEY REIGH IN, AND THEN GO OUT WITH THE LEGAL LIMIT.
IN TERMS OF, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING, UH, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT NOT ABOUT THE WAIT STATION, I THOUGHT THAT WE NEEDED TO DO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A LAW OR PURCHASE.
WELL, I, I WAS ASKED IF WE SHOULD TRY TO REGULATE IT OURSELVES AND GET OUR OWN SCALE, BUT BASED ON OUR REVIEW, THE, UM, ANY FINES THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, THOSE FUNDS WOULD GO TO THE STATE.
WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO COLLECT THEM AS A TOWN.
SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT.
IT WOULD BE THEIR EX THEIR OUR EXPENSE AND THEIR INCOME.
WHY, WHY, UH, DON'T WE GET THE REVENUE? THAT'S THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN FOR ALL WEIGHT EQUALS CORRECT.
BECAUSE FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, A TOWN THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT STARTED.
BECAUSE KEVIN, I REMEMBER WHEN KEVIN MORGAN WAS LOGGING IN, HE SAID THAT THIS COULD BE A LOT OF REVENUE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN.
UM, DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE ASKING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN WE'RE COMING UP WITH A STATE LEGISLATIVE UNIT PACKAGE, WE SHOULD ASK, UH, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATORS TO AUTHORIZE LIKE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO GET THE REVENUE THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD, BUT, UH, I COULD HELP YOU WORK ON IT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO.
AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE REVENUE.
WELL, AT LEAST WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SEE, WE ALWAYS, YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE, THE DISCUSSION WOULD, OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN ISSUE IS NOT REVENUE, BUT SAFETY.
UH, WITH THE REGENERON SITE, THEY HAVE THE SCALES, THEY'RE ON SITE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR A PROJECT.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN URGENCY DOING IT WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT WE STILL WOULD BE WORTHWHILE DOING JUST FROM A SAFETY ASPECT WHILE WE WORK WITH THE STATE TO ADDRESS THE INEQUITY OF, OF A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HAVING TO DO IT.
AND YET THEY GET, UH, HAVING TO ENFORCE, GET THE, UH, YEAH, THE FEES.
I REMEMBER, UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING INTO THIS IN THE PAST AND THAT WAS
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ONE OF THE, UM, OBSTACLES.ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE? WE HAD A MEETING, UM, UH, SHOPRITE.
SHOPRITE, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE? SO, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED WITH, THEY WERE GONNA GET A T C O BEFORE THE NEIGHBORS HAD T C O JUST TEMPORARY.
UH, O I KNOW WHAT IT'S JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE OKAY.
TO OPERATE BEFORE THE RESIDENTS HAD TIME TO, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD.
SO WE HAD MET OUT THERE MYSELF, SUPERVISOR, AND, UH, GARRETT HAD MET OUT THERE TONIGHT WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
AND BASICALLY YOU RESOLVED LIKE A COUPLE OF THE PROBLEMS ON THE SPOT.
DID YOU WANNA JUST GIVE A LITTLE, TELL US.
GIVE A YEAH, SOME OF, SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE THE LIGHTING THAT'S SHINING INTO THE BACK HOUSES ON ORCHARD.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE LOWERING DOWN THE LIGHTS AND RE PROJECTING THE LIGHTS TO A DIFFERENT ANGLE SO IT'S NOT IN THE, UH, SCOPE OF THE WINDOW.
THE, UM, BUSHES ARE GONNA GET RELOCATED AROUND.
THEY'RE GONNA ADD A FENCE UP A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHERE IT STOPPED UP THE LINE UP OF OFF OF, UH, OLD COUNTRY HOMES AT THAT, AT THAT SPOT WHERE THE FLATTENED.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN OLD COUNTRY.
THEY'RE GONNA GO UP BEHIND, UH, MS. PRIZE'S HOUSE UP IN THAT AREA.
HOW ABOUT THE TREES? TREES? SOME ARE GET RELOCATED IN THE SPRING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING A FULL LANDSCAPE PLANTING UP THERE BECAUSE THEY SAID THERE PLANTING SEASON WAS OUT AND THE TREES ARE GONNA BE HOW TALL TO START WITH? I THINK THEY'RE EIGHT FEET.
PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY VERY PLEASED AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
I WANTED TO JUST ALSO MENTION, UM, BEFORE YOU DO, PAUL, I SEE GARRETT IS ON GARRETT, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, RELATED TO AGENDA REVIEW WITH YOUR CD RESOLUTIONS? UM, YEAH, JUST A QUICK NOTE.
UM, THE SHOPRITE RESOLUTION IS ON AND, UM, THAT'S FOR, UH, SITE PLAN, AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE TOWN BOARD.
AND I JUST DID WANNA NOTE TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT DID COMMIT TO, UH, UM, A $25,000 CONTRIBUTION, WHICH THE TOWN COULD USE, UM, TO WORK WITH AN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT TO PREPARE, UM, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR A SIDEWALK ON, UM, ARLEY ROAD THERE.
SO THAT, THAT IS PART OF THE RESOLUTION.
UH, SO THAT RESOLUTION IS ON, UM, FOR THE MEETING TOMORROW.
UM, JUST TWO QUICK NOTES ON THE TWO COMMITTEES.
THE, UH, HOUSING COMMITTEES, WELL AS THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, UM, ALL THOSE MEMBERS DID INDEED TAKE THE REQUISITE TRAINING TODAY, I THINK, EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT WAS UNABLE, THERE WAS A CONFLICT.
UM, SO I'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO THE TOWN BOARD AND, UH, WE'LL GET THAT, UH, RESOLUTION AMENDED AND, UM, WHEN THAT, THAT RESIDENT DOES COMPLETE THEIR TRAINING, UM, WE CAN ADD THEM, UM, AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER.
BUT, UM, BOTH THOSE COMMITTEES ARE PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO TO WORKING WITH THEM AND, AND THROUGH THIS DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, JUST LASTLY, UH, FRANK DID SUMMARIZE WELL, UH, THIS SITE VISIT THIS AFTERNOON, UH, FENCE COMMITMENT, UPDATED LANDSCAPING, AND, UM, UH, ASSURITY THAT THE, THE LIGHT WOULD BE UPDATED SO AS NOT TO SPRAY OFF SITE.
SO, UH, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY WORK WITH SHOPRITE TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS, UH, ARE COMPLETE.
UH, PRIOR TO, UH, THEM MOVING FORWARD.
DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THERE WERE ANY RESIDENTS OR THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY SITE? AT THE MEETING AT CHOPPER? UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
YOU MEAN TODAY? I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYONE FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
DID THEY KNOW ABOUT IT? WERE THEY TOLD ABOUT IT? IT WAS JUST REALLY THE RE UH, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS MORE, UH, YEAH, SO A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS UP THERE, THE BUILDINGS ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
WE ALSO INDICATED THAT BEFORE A TEMPORARY, UH, MEETING C O IS ANOTHER MEETING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF YOUR REQUEST, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL CONTACT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BEFORE A TEMPORARY C O YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE GROUP BEFORE ANYTHING GOES BECAUSE THE, THE BUILDERS HAD MADE CERTAIN PROMISES TO THEM WITH REGARD TO STAIRCASE COMING DOWN FROM OH, THAT SITE INTO THE PARKING LOT, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, WE ARE COGNIZANT AND, YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, UM, PROPOSED AND, AND, AND NOW AFFECTED TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, UM, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES A SIDEWALK DOWN TO SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
SO WE HAVE WALKED THAT AND, UM, WE FEEL SATISFIED WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
UM, I WILL SAY THE MEETING TODAY WAS ORGANIZED BY NEIGHBORS.
IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, INITIATED BY THE TOWN.
SO WE REALLY, UM, HAD NO IDEA OF HOW BROAD THAT THAT, UM, UM, INVITE WENT OUT.
BUT I GOT THE SENSE THAT IT WAS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, ORCHARD LANE RESIDENCE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WAS THERE FROM WESTCHESTER, UH, HILLS CONDOMINIUM.
BUT NONETHELESS, UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE THE SITE AS IT PROGRESSES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT ALL THREE SIDES OF THE THE PROPOSAL ARE, ARE ABSOLUTELY, UH, COMPLETE AND ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE COMPLIED WITH.
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YOU HAVE LIKE A LIST OF THE NAMES OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD CONTACTED US FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BEFORE THE COMPLE? YOU KNOW, THE COMPLEX WAS APPROVED BECAUSE WE COULD REACH IT.MAYBE WE COULD EMAIL THEM AND SAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MEET WITH US.
UH, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING THAT WE DID WITH THE PEOPLE ON, YOU KNOW, OR LANE OR, YEAH, WE HAVE GOOD, WE HAVE GOOD LISTS, UM, WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, AS WELL AS WESTCHESTER HILLS CONDOMINIUM.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
SO THIS WAY THEY DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE JUST NEGLECTING ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WERE JUST FOCUSING ON ONE PORTION.
I, I WAS LIKE REALLY LIKE AMAZED HOW BIG THAT SUPERMARKET'S GONNA BE.
IT'S LIKE NOT EVEN SUPER, IT'S LIKE A SUPER SUPER STORE.
PAUL, UH, UNDER MOMENT OF SILENCE.
TURN OFF A HIGHLY REGARDED AND WELL-RESPECTED, UM, MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
JACQUELINE TILFORD PASSED AND UM, SHE WAS, UH, A HIGH VISIBILITY PERSON IN THE THEATER DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL AS IN HER COMMUNITY.
AND I'D LIKE TO DO OR ADD TRIBUTE TO JACQUELINE TILFORD UNDER MOMENT OF SILENCE.
UM, I WILL DO THE TRUTH PLEASE.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, UM, WITH THE CAPITAL BUDGET I GAVE, UH, SENT EVERYBODY YESTERDAY, UM, ALL THE DRAFTS FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS BEFORE THE OPERATING BUDGET WAS IN, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID THAT THEY WOULD PREFER THAT I CONSULT WITH THE BOARD BEFORE I UNILATERALLY COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
SO WHAT I WAS SORT OF THINKING, UH, THERE'S SO MANY CAPITAL BUDGET REQUESTS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL GOOD ONES, BUT YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE A LOT OF DECISIONS TO MAKE.
AND THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH COULD WE AFFORD AND NOT AFFORD? AND I SORT OF THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE USEFUL BEFORE I COME UP WITH MY PROPOSAL TO INVITE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO DISCUSS THEIR CAPITAL BUDGET NEEDS.
AND THEN WE COULD HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE AMONG AEROSOLS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SORT OF SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME CONSENSUS WHAT SHOULD BE IN OR WHAT SHOULD BE OUT.
AND IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS THAT UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE COULD DEFER OR UM, OR SPACE OUT, YOU KNOW, SO I THOUGHT I ASKED JOAN, UM, IF, UH, MAYBE NEXT WEEK WE COULD CALL DEPARTMENT HEADS AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S ONLY LIKE SEVEN DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE SIX OR SEVEN DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE CAPITAL BUDGETS.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE COULD MAYBE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME DEPARTMENTS LIKE RICH, YOU KNOW, HAS LIKE A GIGANTIC, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUDGET AND THE POLICE, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE, YOU KNOW, FRANK IS NOT THAT MUCH.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR MOST DEPARTMENTS WE COULD HAVE MAYBE 15 MINUTES AND THEN FOR RICH.
AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY YOU WOULD NEED? PROBABLY HALF HOUR AT LEAST.
WELL, WOULD YOU SAY PROBABLY BE QUESTIONS? I GUESS DEPENDS ON THE QUESTION.
MAYBE FOR RICH, MAYBE 45 MINUTES.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD DO IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEXT WEEK IF WE, IF WE COULD IS WOULD THAT BE OKAY IF WE FOCUS ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WILL SAVE US TIME ANYWAY BECAUSE IF WE, EVEN IF WE DO IT NEXT WEEK AND THE WEEK AFTER, UM, THEN I COULD COME UP WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET RIGHT AFTER.
AND WE'LL HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE REVIEWS BEFORE.
AND, AND ROBERTA'S GONNA BE IN IN THAT MEETING TOO.
AND ROBERTA WOULD BE IN BEFORE.
BUT ALL THE DEPART, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD GOT ALL THE REQUESTS.
I EMAILED EVERYBODY YESTERDAY.
WE ALSO HAVE DEPARTMENT HEAD INTERVIEWS WE HAVE TO DO AND WE HAVE TO INTERVIEW, UH, PEOPLE FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARDS.
YEAH, THOSE ARE THE, SO WHILE WE, WOULD YOU WANT TO DO IT OVER, YOU WANT TO DO IT ALL IN ONE WEEK? THE CAPITAL BUDGET? OR DO YOU WANT TO DO UM, TWO OR THREE WEEK, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW WOULD YOU, SO SEVEN DEPARTMENTS, FIVE OF THEM WOULD BE 15 MINUTES EACH.
MOST OF THEM ARE 15, SO THAT'S AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES.
YOU SAID THE POLICE ALSO HAS A YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW, SO THAT'S TWO HOURS AT THREE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? I THINK IS EASIER? POLICE IS NOT AS, OKAY.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT PAUL HAD SAID.
WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK? I THINK OURS IS MORE PROJECT BASED.
RICH, YOU NEED TO COME UP PLEASE.
I THINK OURS IS MORE PROJECT BASED SO THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
SO WE WILL PROBABLY TAKE MORE TIME.
THE POLICE, I THINK IT'S MORE EQUIPMENT.
SO REALLY, SO MOST OF THESE CAPITAL BUDGETS
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COULD BE LIKE 15 MINUTES FOR THE DEPARTMENT.DO YOU THINK? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG.
AGAIN, OURS IS MORE PROJECT BASED MM-HMM.
BUT I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON, YOU PROBABLY NEED, I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY HAD OUR DISCUSSIONS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY PROBABLY GONNA NEED A GOOD 30 MINUTES 'CAUSE YOU
YEAH, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A LOT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE, TWO AND A HALF, THREE HOURS OF TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
JUST TO, JUST TO GIVE US QUANTIFY.
SO, UM, SO IF WE HAVE A WORK SESSION, REMEMBER WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING NEXT WEEK.
SO IF WE LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING.
SPECIAL MEETING SHOULD BE 10 MINUTES.
SO WE SAY 10 MINUTES FOR THAT AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, AS LONG AS JOE DOESN'T LOAD IT UP,
UH, BUT SHOULD THIS TAKE THAT LONG? I MEAN, LAST YEAR PAUL, YOU, YOU WERE CRITICIZING THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR NOT SPENDING THE MONEY THAT WE ALLOCATED FOR CAPITAL BUDGETS.
ARE WE JUST GOING TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL BUDGETS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PUT IN THERE AND APPROVE THOSE? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONES RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REQUESTS FOR THE CAPITAL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE 2023.
THAT'S WHAT I SENT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD.
WELL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHY DIDN'T WE SPEND, UH, MONEY ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET? WE CAN GO OVER THAT AT THE SAME TIME TOO.
AND THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN ASK, BUT DO YOU WANNA DO IT IN ONE OR TWO SESSIONS? TWO.
WE JUST MAKE EVERY, REMEMBER WE GOT A LOT OF NEEDS'.
JUST, IT DEPENDS ON, I WOULDN'T WANT DO IT.
THAT'S WHY I SAY TWO BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANNA DO IT MORE THAN TWO BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, MEMORIES GET FADE WITH THE PREVIOUS ONES AND WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT THE BIG PIE AS OPPOSED TO EACH ONE.
I ALSO ASKED EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO, UM, PROVIDE US WITH A, UM, UH, WORK PLAN FOR, UH, FOR THE CAPITAL BUDGET BECAUSE IF WE HADN'T SPENT MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED IN THE PAST, THIS WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, YOU KNOW, TRACKING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REQUESTS AND YOU KNOW, MAKING, YOU KNOW.
DO WE HAVE A LIST OF HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT FROM EACH DEPARTMENT? FROM THE BUDGET? LAST YEAR'S BUDGET? WELL, I THINK YEAH, ROBERTA DID THAT.
SO ROBERTA'S BEEN WORKING WITH US TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THEM AND CLOSE OUT SOME OF THE OLDER ONES.
SO, AND ALSO WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT, PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, WE DIDN'T SPEND MONEY ON THE CAPITAL, BUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, WE, ROBERTA TOOK MONEY FROM, YOU KNOW, ROAD FUNDING THAT OH, WE SPENT THE MONEY ON THE ROADS, WE SPENT THE MONEY ON THE CURB.
NO, WE, IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T DO ANY CAPITAL PROJECTS LAST YEAR, WE DID LOT.
THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE BARRIER OUTSIDE IN THE, THE LOBBY THAT'S TAKEN TIME.
THERE'S BEEN SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND OTHER, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM.
TOOK A LONG TIME WITH T D Y CCC AND THE BOILER, WHICH IS FINALLY AT THE PUNCH LIST PORTION NOW.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM.
SO WE'RE FALLING BY, SO DOING IT OVER TWO WEEKS, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE, AND WE'RE FALLING BY, WE'RE UP TO BROADBAND.
I DUNNO WHY I WAS ON FOR WHICH JERRY BYRNE WITH THE MAYOR, THE TOWN POOL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS, I'LL BE UPSTAIRS FOR YOU, BUT ALRIGHT, WE'LL CALL YOU.
MAYBE HOUR AS LONG AS YOU STAY HERE TILL 1130.
OKAY, SO BROADBAND BROAD, THERE'S A, SORRY MM-HMM.
THERE'S A BROADBAND COVERAGE VERIFICATION INITIATIVE.
SO THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT, UM, TO INCREASE BROADBAND ACCESS, UM, HAS ALLOCATED FUNDING TO NEW YORK STATE AND THE STATE FUNDING.
THE, THE AMOUNT OF THE FUNDING IS DEPENDENT AND IS DETERMINED BY THE IDENTIFICATION OF LOCATIONS THAT DO NOT HAVE BROADBAND ACCESS TODAY.
UM, SO NEW YORK STATE HAS ASKED THE COUNTY AND ALL THE MUNICIPAL, THE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, TO HELP WITH THE PROCESS.
THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER THE F C C HAS PUT TOGETHER A MAP OF THE KNOWN LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY AND THEIR, THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE BEING ASKED TO CHECK THE MAP FOR ACCURACY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, THE, THE MAP CAN BE ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY IF THERE ARE CORRECTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
AND IF, IF IN FACT WHAT APPEARS ON THE MAP, UM, IS NOT REALLY, DOES NOT SHOWS BROADBAND ACCESS WHEN
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IT, WHEN THERE IS NONE, THEY HAVE TO KNOW.AND CONVERSELY, THEY ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT AREAS HAVE NOT, DO NOT HAVE BROADBAND IDENTIFY WHAT AREAS DO NOT HAVE BROADBAND ACCESS.
SO THIS IS NOT ONLY LIKE FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, THIS WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE TIME, THIS IS FOR THE, THE WHOLE
FOR EXAMPLE, THE NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE WERE LOOKING AT SAY EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE FOR EXAMPLE.
SO, OR LIKE THE SHOPPING AREA.
SO YOU COULD BASICALLY ASK FOR FUNDING TO SAY NO, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FUNDING.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS IDENTIFYING WHAT AREAS HAVE BROADBAND MAKE CORRECTIONS ON THE AREAS THAT ARE INDICATED ON THE MAP AS HAVING BROADBAND, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T.
AND THEN ALSO INDICATING WHAT AREAS DO NOT HAVE BROADBAND.
SO, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE A, A LINK TO THE MAP AND INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO USE IT AND HOW TO IDENTIFY THE DISCREPANCIES TO REPORT TO THE F C C.
UM, BUT WHAT THE, WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED AS A PRACTICAL MATTER IS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, WE AS A MUNICIPALITY, OUR MUNICIPALITY AND EVERY OTHER ONE IDENTIFIES A POINT PERSON TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INITIATIVE.
UM, AND THERE IS MAX, UH, J WHO NOW WORKS IN OUR OFF WORKS IN THE COUNTY OFFICE WILL BE THE, UM, CONTACT PERSON.
AND, UM, AND THEN THE, THE, THEY'LL SCHEDULE A WEBEX TO, FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S THE APPOINTEES FROM EACH OF THE MUNICIPALITIES TO, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THAT WAY IT'S REALLY, IT BEHOOVES US TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING IS TIED TO HOW MUCH BROADBAND WE NEED.
SO, SO, SO THE TOWN COULD ULTIMATELY GET SOME FUNDING FOR, FOR FUNDING OR I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CONTRACTS WILL WORK, WHETHER IT WILL BE ALLOCATED TO THE MUNICIPALITIES OR WILL BE ALLOCATED TO THE STATE TO DO THE, THE BROAD THING OR TO THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE WEBEX? IS ALL LIKE INFORMATION GOING TO BE DESCRIBED IN THE WEBEX? OR THEY COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF INFORMATION? WELL, THERE'LL BE, I, THIS IS REALLY THE, THE WEBEX IS THE LEGIS IS FOR THE LOGISTICS OF HOW TO DO THE JOB.
AND THAT, UM, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT CAN TAKE PLACE ON OR ABOUT, THEY'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT CAN TAKE PLACE ON OR ABOUT FEBRUARY 3RD SO THAT THE REVIEW CAN BE COMPLETED BY FEBRUARY 17TH.
SO IT HAS, IT'S, IT'S AN IMMEDIATE THING, BUT MAX WILL BE CALLING, UH, WHO SHOULD HE CALL? I, I WOULD THINK GARRETT'S BEEN WORKING ON OKAY.
ON, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BROADBAND, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WITH THE HOUSING GAR IS GARRETT AROUND.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SWITCH IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TURN ON YOUR, OH, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN TURN ON YOUR MIC BECAUSE I'M SORT OF THINKING THAT, UM, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE LOOKING AT, AS SOMEBODY SAID, OH, IT WOULDN'T BE GREAT IF DALE AVENUE, WHICH IS A DOWNTOWN AREA IN NEAR THE DALE TRAIN STATION, THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE FOR BROADBAND.
WELL, YES, AND IT, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS SHOWED UP DURING, DURING COVID ALL THOSE FAMILIES WHO HAD NO BRA WITH CHILDREN WHO HAD NO BROADBAND ACCESS.
AND SO THEIR CHILDREN'S ABILITY TO ATTEND CLASSES REMOTELY, UM, WAS FROM HOME, WAS HI WAS TRULY INHIBITED.
AND THEIR, AND THEIR LEARNING, UM, WAS IMPACTED.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, YOU KNOW, BISHOP PRESTON AND THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY GOT A, WE GOT A C D B G GRANT A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO PUT BROADBAND ON SOME OF THE HOUSING SITES, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
SO I THINK THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS INTERESTED IN WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
SO IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A POINT PERSON THAT CAN INPUT THE INFORMATION.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, UM, REACH OUT TO THE WHOLE OF GREENBERG, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO HAVE PEOPLE REPORT TO US IF THEY DON'T HAVE BROADBAND, HOW WE'VE, WE'LL WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS.
WE HAVE TO DO IT SOON, BUT INCLUDING THE VILLAGES AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE VILLAGES WILL BE CONTACTED SEPARATE DIRECTLY, BUT I'M GOING TO VERIFY THAT.
ALL OF AN INCORPORATED GREENBURG AT THE VERY LEAST FOR NOT US.
IT'S NOT SOLELY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, THOUGH.
WE KEEP SAYING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
IT'S NOT SOLELY HARTSDALE AVENUE AND IT'S NOT, IT'S 90 A HUNDRED, UH, MANHATTAN AVENUE AND 33 OAK.
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THE, THE, THE, UH, LEAST WEALTHY OF THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE BASED ON THE, UH, THE NEW CONTRACT.AND SO, UH, WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THEM AS WELL.
WELL THAT IS, THAT IS A, A HIGH PRIORITY FOR SURE.
AND, UM, AND BEYOND THAT, THERE PLENTY OF OTHER AREAS THAT ARE AFFECTED IN THE ELMS FOR THE YEAH.
SO WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH GARRETT.
BUT THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND MAX WILL BE IN TOUCH AND I'LL LET HIM KNOW TO BE IN TOUCH WITH GARRETT UNLESS HE'S OTHERWISE, UNLESS HE'S NOT ON NOW.
SO WE CAN JUST, 'CAUSE HE'S NOT HERE.
THAT UNLESS WE HERE OTHERWISE.
I JUST HAVE LIKE, THIS IS LIKE MY IDEA, UH, A STUPID QUESTION WHERE ONE THAT SHOWS THAT I DON'T REALLY UNDER, YOU KNOW, KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT BROADBAND AS I SHOULD.
BUT, UM, THE QUESTION IS, SAY IN A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE MAY HAVE BROADBAND IN THEIR HO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAY IN THEIR HOMES, BUT THE STREETS DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, THE QUESTION IS, DO NEIGHBOR DO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE BROADBAND OR IS IT BASICALLY USERS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEIR EQUIPMENT, THE USERS HAVE THE HOMEOWNERS PUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, IT'S INTERESTING, UM, WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I KNOW THIS ANECDOTALLY FROM SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS IN, IN BROOKLYN AND QUEENS FOR INSTANCE, WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE COULD NOT AFFORD BROADBAND.
REMEMBER THE, THE PROVIDERS ARE, UM, ARE PRIVATE BUSINESS COMPANIES OR LARGE ENTITIES, AND THEY TYPICALLY INTO, IN THE POOR COMMUNITIES DID NOT EXTEND BROADBAND.
THE, THE, THE CABLING ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERHEAD WIRES, WHETHER IT WAS OVERHEAD OR, OR YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, ACCESS FOR THEM TO EVEN SIGN UP.
SO YOU COULD BE SIGNED UP FOR BROADBAND, BUT YOU CAN'T GET IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY FROM, FROM THE STREET OR FROM SOME LOCATION.
'CAUSE WHAT, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, DIDN'T THE UTILITIES BASICALLY DO A LOT OF UNDERGROUND, YOU KNOW, WORK INSTALLING, YOU KNOW, IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS? IS THAT YEAH.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T GET IT.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE YES.
LOOKING AT, AND YOU COULD HAVE OPTIMUM AND VIR, YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
SOME MAY PROVIDE BROADBAND AND SOME MAY NOT HAVE.
WELL, IT, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF THEM HAVING DONE THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK TO BRING THE, UM, THE CAPABILITY TO VARIOUS COMMUNITIES, WHETHER IT'S STREETS OR YOU.
OKAY, SO, AND WHAT WE'LL FIND, WE'VE GOTTA FIND OUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT WASN'T DONE BECAUSE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MADE CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY AMONG IN, IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE LESS WELL OFF.
THAT, THAT IT, THE WIRING, THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE CABLING WAS NOT BROUGHT TO THEM IN ORDER FOR THEM TO TIE INTO.
SO WOULD WE, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO REACH OUT TO VERIZON AND NO, WE'RE NOT.
OH, THAT'S THE, IS NOT THE PUR ISN'T THAT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THIS IS? ARE WE, ARE WE DOING, ARE WE DOING ANALYSIS WHEN WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY? THE F C C HAS DONE THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE MAP THAT THEY CREATED.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD A, UM, AN INITIATIVE AND REACHED OUT, UM, AND I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED ON A MUNICIPAL CALL GOING BACK SEVERAL, A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO TO REACH OUT TO ALL THE UTILITIES AND ASK THEM TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THEM.
AND EITHER THEY DID OR THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
NOW I HAVE A MATTER UNDERSTANDING.
SOME PROVIDER, SOME PROVIDERS ACTUALLY HAVE WIFI IN THE STREETS AND IF YOU LIVE NEAR ONE OF THE, UH, THAT YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE WIFI, BUT NOT ALL PROVIDERS HAVE THAT.
UM, NEXT, UM, UM, I MET LAST WEEK, UM, WITH, UM, UH, SOME PEOPLE AT WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL, UM, WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF THE WISE PROGRAM.
AND, UH, IT'S THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE WISE PROGRAM.
AND THE TOWN LEVIATHAN WAS, UH, THE, THE FOUNDER.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL WE SHOULD NAME A STREET FOR HIM, BUT HIS WIFE DOESN'T FELT THAT HE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE HONORED IN THAT WAY.
SO, UM, UH, THE, WHEN I MET WITH THE WISE LEADERSHIP, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, WE HAVE LIKE AN HONORARY DESIGNATION, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE LIKE WISE WAY.
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THE DESIGNATION, THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD CREATE LIKE THE SIGNAGE ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.UM, THEY BASICALLY WOULD LIKE THE TOWN TO, UM, UM, TO, SINCE WE HAVE A SIGN SHOP TO BASICALLY, UM, CREATE TWO SIGNS THAT WOULD JUST SAY WHY LIKE WISE WHITE, AND, YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO RICH FOND AND HE SAID I SHOULD SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE THIS IS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
BUT THE WISE PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF GREENBERG RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, BENEFITED FROM.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT YOU.
THEY TALKING ABOUT A TYPICAL STREET SIGN THAT'S NOT LIKE REALLY, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE THAT EXPENSIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT OF THOUGHT THAT IF WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WORK WITH THEM, IT WOULD BE NICE.
IT WAS REALLY ALWAYS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WANT US TO BASICALLY PAY FOR THE SIGN.
IT'S HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST? SO IT'S, IT'S ALL INHOUSE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG, IT'S NOT REALLY A BIG THING.
IT'S LIKE THE TYPICAL GREEN SIGN OF THE YEAH.
WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT? IT'S, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THIS NUMBER.
IT'S NOT, I'M SURE IT'S NOT REALLY EXPENSIVE, WE JUST, I'M SURE NOT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE COST WAS, WHAT THE COST IS, ROUGHLY.
WELL, SINCE, SINCE YOU'RE NOT NAMING AFTER A PERSON, IT MIGHT NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE ON PAC CAPONE ROAD LEADING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THE VICE PROGRAM IS TO HAVE WISE, UH, WISE PROGRAM WAY, UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO DIMINISH PAC CAPONE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE, SINCE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION FOR NAMES, IT'S, UH, A PROGRAM AND THE NAME.
AND THEN I HAD SUGGESTED, UM, THAT MAYBE THEY COULD THAT, AND THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THE SCHOOL WOULD DO, MAY BECAUSE THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY MAYBE HAVE, UM, LIKE BANNERS WITH PICTURES OF, UM, FORMER, UH, PARTICIPANTS IN THE WISE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, ALONG AND SINCE 50 YEARS.
AND WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR COULD BE LIKE 19, YOU KNOW, 80, 85, 90.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO GRADUATED, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE LIKE GROUP PHOTOS AND YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE NICE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD ALL, THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE THOSE RECORDS.
THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WANNA DO SOMETHING SPECIAL.
BUT OUR SIGN WOULD BE THE TYPICAL HONORARY SIGNED RIGHT HERE, THE GREEN, OR IT COULD BE BROWN, WHATEVER THEY WANT.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW THAT.
AND, UM, AND NOW WE'RE FIVE MINUTES EARLY.
AND NANCY'S BEEN WAITING FOR TWO SECONDS, WHICH IS TWO SECONDS TOO LONG.
YOU KNOW STEVE STEIN, TRUSTEE STEVE STEIN.
HOW ARE YOU ALL? HOW ARE YOU JOE, YOU CAN COME UP.
THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH US.
STEVE'S GOTTA GET, I MEAN, NOT STEVE, JOE, JOE HAS TO COME TO THE TABLE.
WHAT IS IT SOMETHING WE SAID? NO, I WAS GETTING A MASK.
CAN YOU HOLD OFF NANCY UNTIL, UM, JOE GETS BACK.
SHE JUST WENT TO GET NEEDS TO PART OF THANK YOU.
AND THEN JUST TURN THE MIC ON THERE.
JUST PUSH THE BUTTON TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HEAR YOU.
AND STEVE, I THINK AND YOU HAVE A BUTTON.
YOU HAVE A BUTTON AS WELL SOMEWHERE? YEP.
DO YOU WANNA PULL UP THE MIC? SO HE'S ON HIS WAY.
SO HOW DO YOU WANT TO, DO WE, I THINK WE CAN START.
I MEAN, YOU WANNA START? I THINK WE SHOULD START.
NO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE, EVERYBODY KNOWS US, SO THANK YOU AGAIN.
NICE TO MEET YOU JOE DANKO AND TURN DOWN ATTORNEY MEET.
IF YOU COULD JUST MOVE THE MIC AND TURN THE MIC ON AGAIN.
BECAUSE WE GO OUT TO THANK YOU GINA.
IT IS THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE HERE, RIGHT? YES.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SURE.
I FEEL LIKE I'M ON A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL.
UM, AT THE, UH, AT THE, WE, WE HAD A, A MEETING OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, UM, IN, IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UH, A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS ASKED US ABOUT THE USE OF THE POOL AT AN ANTHONY VETERANS PARK, WHICH IS A TOPIC THAT IS A CONTINUAL CONVERSATION FOR A LOT OF
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ARDSLEY RESIDENTS.AND THEN WHEN I SAW, UM, UM, SUPERVISOR FINER AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS AT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ATION AT, UH, HARTSDALE TRAIN STATION, I, I SAID TO THEM, YOU KNOW, CAN WE MEET AND TRY TO JUST HASH OUT SOME IDEAS, THINKING ABOUT MAYBE, UM, SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT OR MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME DISCUSSIONS TO ALLOW ARDSLEY RESIDENTS TO USE THE POOL AT ANTHONY VETERANS PARK.
AS YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY IS PROBABLY THE ONLY VILLAGE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN POOL, AND WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE TO PUT A POOL, UM, EVEN IF WE COULD POSSIBLY AFFORD TO BUILD ONE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS BEHIND ALLOWING, UH, UNINCORPORATED RESIDENTS TO USE THE POOL, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT THE INCORPORATED RESIDENTS INCORPORATED INCORPORATE RESIDENTS TO USE THE POOL.
BUT I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE WE CAN REACH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT WHERE, UM, RESIDENTS OF ARDSLEY COULD USE THE POOL.
AND SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THIS.
NOW WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NON GREENBERG NON-RESIDENTS THAT USE SOME OF YOUR TENNIS FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AROUND GREENBERG AND THEY PAY A NON-RESIDENT FEE.
SO I WAS THINKING THAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, AND I'M TALKING A SHORT TERM AGREEMENT, RELATIVELY SHORT TERM, MAYBE TWO YEARS, WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY, UM, MONITOR AND SEE THE INTEREST OF ARDSLEY RESIDENTS TO USE THE POOL AT A, YOU KNOW, NON-RESIDENT RATE.
WE CAN ENTER INTO AN INTERM INTERM MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT WHERE YOU OFFER A HUNDRED OR 150 PERMITS TO NON-RESIDENTS AT A NON-RESIDENT RATE TO JUDGE AND MONITOR THE INTEREST LEVEL TO SEE IF THERE IS A SUFFICIENT INTEREST LEVEL OR IF THERE'S A GREAT INTEREST LEVEL OR THERE ISN'T THAT GREAT A INTEREST LEVEL TO SEE IF WE COULD MOVE FORWARD INTO A MORE PERMANENT KIND OF AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE AMENDING THE CURRENT LAW IN PLACE.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT THE TOWN HAS WITH THE USE OF THE POOL.
YOU DON'T WANNA OVERPOPULATE THE POOL, YOU HAVE REVENUE ISSUES, YOU HAVE EDGEMONT ISSUES.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY WHERE WE CAN HAVE A, AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPENING IT UP TO ALL RESIDENTS, BUT SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE POOL.
NOW I DO KNOW THAT YOU GIVE, UM, SOME PREFERENCES TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT'S VERY APPRECIATED, OUR, OUR FIREFIGHTERS.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN REALLY THINK ABOUT CREATIVE WAYS, UM, TO ALLOW SOME OF OUR OTHER RESIDENTS TO USE THE POOL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO OPEN UP THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, I KNOW THAT IT WOULD TAKE A, UH, A COLLABORATED EFFORT AND AGREEMENT TO AMEND THE CURRENT LAWS.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY ASKING THAT WE GO THAT ROUTE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON A MORE SHORT TERM BASIS TO ASSESS THE USAGE, UM, THE HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD WANNA PAY TO USE THE POOL, THE INTEREST, UM, THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING NON-RESIDENTS TO USE SOME OF THE TOWNS PARKS FACILITIES.
SO I THINK THAT WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT HERE, AND I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.
IF WE HAVE A LAW THOUGH, HOW DO WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THE LAW FOR TWO YEARS AND SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT? AND THEN IF IT WORKS OUT FINE, THEN WE'LL CHANGE THE LAW.
IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD PRESIDENT.
IS THAT REGARDING FOLLOWING THE LAW? WELL, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ALLOW NON-RESIDENTS TO USE SOME OF YOUR TENNIS FACILITIES THERE? THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT WAS PASSED ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WHICH SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTS FOR THE TENNIS FACILITY.
NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT, THAT HASN'T COME INTO ATTORNEY'S AREA AND TURN IT ON AND PULL IT.
THAT'S NOT LET CHAIR, I JUST TRY TO USE MY INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
AND I, I, I PULLED UP THE, UH, JUDGE CA CASEY'S RULING ON THE LAWSUIT BERNSTEIN AGAINST THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE VILLAGES AT THE TIME, ALL THE MAYORS OF THE, UH, SIX VILLAGES.
AND AT THAT TIME, UM, THERE WAS LIKE THREE ISSUES INVOLVED.
AND, AND ONE IN PARTICULAR, UM, THAT I READ IT, IT IT TALKED ABOUT, UM, THERE WAS SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE FIN IN LAW THAT NON-RESIDENTS WERE ALLOWED AND THAT EXCEPTIONS WAS FOR VOLUNTEER, YOU KNOW, FIREFIGHTERS, AMBULANCE WORKERS AND
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FAMILIES WITH, UH, UH, DISABLED MEMBERS TO USE IT.AND THE COURTS HAVE INTERPRETED THAT ADHERENCE TO RESIDENTIAL RESTRICTIONS NEED TO BE REASONABLE.
AND THEY CITED A CASE, UH, OUTTA CAMPBELL VERSUS TOWN OF HAMBURG, AND THEY SAID STRICT ADHERENCE IS NOT MANDATED.
SO THE QUESTION THAT THAT HAS COME BEFORE US AND TO THE TOWN BOARD IS WHAT IS STRICT ADHERENCE? SO IT THE, WHEN YOU BRING OUT NUMBERS OF 125 FAMILIES, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE BASED ON THIS RULING IS THAT WE DID USE FOR TENNIS, WE'VE, WE'VE ALLOWED UP TO 25 PERMANENTS.
THEY'RE REALLY SMALL, BUT THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE, UH, POOL COMPLEX.
SO I WOULD SAY WHATEVER REQUEST COMES IN SHOULD BE STUDIED VERY CLOSELY BY THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN DECIDE, AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT IS STRICT ADHERENCE? IS THIS GOING BEYOND IT OR IS IT REASONABLE? SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT LOGICAL, I HAVE PREMISE THAT YOU GIVE TO, UH, UH, UH, FOR TENNIS PERMITS.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENTIAL AND COST BETWEEN A RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT? DO YOU KNOW? UH, I THINK IT, IT, WE'VE DONE SINCE THAT IS NOT LIKE A REVENUE, YOU KNOW, PRODUCER'S REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT.
UM, I, WHEN I KNEW THIS MEETING COMING, YOU KNOW, I FOLLOWED UP LIKE SOME OTHER VILLAGES THAT CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.
I THINK IT WAS, I MEAN, OR 65% WAS ABOUT 65.
SO IF WE EVER DID SOMETHING THAT FOR THE POOL, WE WOULD EVEN HAVE IT, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE THAN 20%.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE TENNIS COURTS IS MOST OF THE VILLAGES HAVE THEIR OWN TENNIS COURTS.
WE IN FACT HAVE OUR OWN TENNIS COURTS AS WELL.
UM, SO PEOPLE CAN USE OUR TENNIS COURTS.
THE ISSUE HERE IN MY MIND IS THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POOL AND CAN'T HAVE A POOL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE APPLES TO ORANGES IN THAT COMPARISON.
THAT ONE, WE HAVE SOMETHING AND WE DON'T REALLY NEED MORE TENNIS WHERE WE HAVE NOTHING AND WE'D REALLY NEED A POOL.
UM, I HAD, I HAD A QUESTION THAT I WAS THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, TODAY.
THIS IS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO NO WAY THE QUESTION, BUT YOU KNOW, I FIGURED I'D ASK IT.
UM, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN I'LL
BUT, UM, THE QUESTION IS, UM, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR GOVERNMENT TO SORT OF CONSOLIDATE, YOU KNOW, AND REDUCE SOME OF THE DUPLICATIONS.
WOULD YOUR, UH, WOULD THE VILLAGE EVER BE OPEN, UH, TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WHERE, SAY THE WHOLE PARKS, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM FOR THE ENTIRE, FOR THE VILLAGE OF LEY AND GREENBURG WOULD BE RUN BY SAY ONE, ONE DEPARTMENT? BECAUSE MY FEELING IS LEY IS REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA, BUT LEY BASICALLY, UM, IS UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE A POOL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS OF, YOU KNOW, LEY THE KIDS GO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE VILLAGE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THE SAME SPORTS.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT IF, LET'S SAY IF, LET'S SAY WE COMBINED SORT OF A REC THE RECREATION PROGRAM AND EVERYBODY PAID THE SAME RECREATION, YOU KNOW, TAXES, I WOULD SAY, UM, THAT MIGHT BE SORT OF A WAY OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING SORT OF YOUR, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BASICALLY THEN EVERYBODY IN UNIN, EVERYBODY IN THE VILLAGE AND UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG IS TREATED, YOU KNOW, EQUALLY.
AND EVERYBODY WOULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM A LARGER, UH, FROM MORE, MORE RECREATION.
ISN'T THAT THAT'S A CURRENT, THAT'S A STATE LAW THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED OR WELL, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE STATE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WELL, YOU COULD, THAT'S NOT PERMISSION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, AND, AND AGAIN, I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT I JUST HAVE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS A STATE LAW.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK IN CONFINES WITH THE STATE.
BUT THE STATE BASICALLY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ENCOURAGING CONSOLIDATIONS OF, UH, SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE LAW.
SO THAT'S, I JUST WANNA BE, I MEAN, I UNDERST NO, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
NO, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT JUDGING THAT AT ALL.
I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST THE PROCESS UNDERSTAND.
SO I JUST, AND YOU KNOW, I'LL LET YOU ATTORNEY SPEAK MORE TO THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, GINA.
AND I, I JUST TO GO BACK, UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE LAW OR THE AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY INSTITUTED, UM, THERE WAS A SMALL WINDOW OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS THAT ALL THE SIX VILLAGES HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT PAUL WAS SAYING TO OPT IN.
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OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, I BELIEVE EVERY TOWN THAT PROVIDES RECREATION, ALL RESIDENTS IN THAT TOWN, WHETHER IT'S VILLAGE OR UNINCORPORATED, HAVE A RIGHT TO USE TOWN FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF TAXATION FOR THE BONDING THAT TOOK PLACE, THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS TOWN WHEN IT, IT REALLY BUILT ITS PARK SYSTEMS REALLY IN THE SEVENTIES WHERE THEY ACQUIRED A LOT OF PROPERTY, THEY DID IT OUT OF, OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, VILLAGES.AND WHEN IT BECAME AN ISSUE OF THE POOL BEING IN PLACE, THAT'S WHEN, UH, THE VILLAGE LIKE, OR PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGE SUED THE TOWN AND WENT ALL THE WAY UP.
AND THEY SAID IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO EVERYONE.
SO WHEN NEREN, WHO WAS A FORMER, I THINK TOWN BOARD MEMBER SPONSORED THE BILL, THE LANGUAGE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT IT SAYS YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS TO OPT IN AND BASICALLY TO BE INTO THE TOWNS PARK SYSTEM.
UM, WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT NO VILLAGE PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE.
THEY BASICALLY JUST LEFT IT GO DORMANT AND IT, IT SUNSET.
SO THE ISSUE, I THINK THE PROPER WAY WOULD BE IS YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION TO REOPEN THAT UP.
WHETHER YOU COULD DO THAT OR NOT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DEBATE.
WE DID HAVE THIS EXACT DISCUSSION YEARS AGO, I THINK WITH MAYOR JOHN MOREHOUSE, IS HE THE FORMER MAYOR? AND HE EXPLORED THIS, AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING 'CAUSE OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED, BUT AT THE TIME IT BECAME, IT WAS A VERY TOXIC DISCUSSION BETWEEN, ON A CORPORATION AND THE VILLAGES.
AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
I REMEMBER DOING SOME RESEARCH OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU COME UP WITH A TAXATION BASED ON IT.
AND I WAS WORKED AT THE TIME WITH NORA VOY THE COMPTROLLER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A FORMULA, BUT IT, IT BECAME SUCH A HOT ISSUE.
IT JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, DIED DOWN.
SO GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUEST, THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS A, THERE'S NOT STRICT ADHERENCE, BUT WHAT IS REASONABLE? AND IT'S VERY LIMITED AND IT'S, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, VETTED OUT WITH THE BOARD AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING, YOU KNOW, B RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT COULD BE PURSUED OR NOT.
NOT, NOT JUST THE PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT WE AS TWO GOVERNING BODIES COULD POSSIBLY WORK OUT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO SEE HOW IT WORKS BEFORE WE TAKE THESE BIG STEPS INTO CONSOLIDATING OUR REC DEPARTMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE LAW, OR IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DRAFT AN AGREEMENT FOR TWO YEARS, RECOGNIZING THAT THE LAW IS IN PLACE, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TO WORK AROUND THE WHAT IS REASONABLE, UM, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF INTEREST THERE IS TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR INTEREST AND USE THE POOLS AT A RATE OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, PICKING.
JUST, JUST, JUST JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HAVE YOU HAD RESIDENTS REPEATEDLY FOREVER? ALL THE TIME.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING SURVEY, AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, DO YOU HAVE AN, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA LIKE JUST APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE LOOKING, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, SINCE, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO KNOW, OBVIOUSLY.
SO WE, WE HAD A, A COMMUNITY MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, UH, IN TERMS OF SERVICES.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LOTS OF FAMILIES SEND THEIR KIDS TO CAMP AND, AND FOR THEM IT'S NOT THAT RELEVANT.
BUT THERE WERE CERTAINLY OTHERS AND, AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS DON'T GO TO CAMP, YOU KNOW, OR MY KIDS ARE TOO YOUNG FOR CAMP.
SO IT'S HARD TO ASSESS EXACTLY HOW MUCH INTEREST, BUT IT, IT IS A SOURCE OF CONSTANT CONVERSATION.
AND, UM, SO THERE DEFINITELY IS SOME LEVEL OF, OF INTEREST IN, IN SEEING IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK OUT SOME.
AND FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, JUST FOR, FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, IS WITHIN FIN LAW, THE FINRA LAW, IS THERE PROVISION TO ALLOW, UM, A, AN EXCEPTION SUCH AS MAYOR KABUL IS RECOMMENDING? I GUESS WE SHOULD, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TELL THAT QUESTION.
NO, NO, NOT THAT I SEE RIGHT NOW.
THE, THE ONLY, SO LEGALLY, NO, THE ONLY, THE ONLY FROM THE LAW THAT WAS WRITTEN, IT, IT WAS VERY CLEAR.
AND WHEN AND WHEN, UH, THE BERNSTEIN VERSUS THE TOWN OF GREENBERG LAWSUIT CAME IN, I THINK THIS WAS THE, THEY CALL IT BERNSTEIN TWO, THAT, UH, JUDGE CACA ON THE SECOND ITEM
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OF ISSUE SAID THAT THERE IS SOME, EXCEPT THERE'S NOT STRICT ADHERENCE.SO THAT IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE LAW, BUT A JUDGE'S OPINION OF THE LAW CAME OUT AND MADE THAT STATEMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE, WHEN WE ALLOW NON-RESIDENTS OR VILLAGE RESIDENTS COME IN, DO YOU JUST DO IT WITH ONE MUNICIPALITY OR DO YOU OPEN IT UP TO ALL, EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF OF VILLAGE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD EXERCISE A RIGHT TO COME IN, WOULD PROBABLY BE COMING FROM ELMSFORD AND ARDSLEY IF WE DID OPEN IT UP.
SO, SO THAT, SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AND WE'D HAVE TO STUDY IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OTHER, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES MIGHT NOT, MIGHT OBJECT TO EXACTLY JUST GIVING PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.
BUT I, I REMEMBER, MAYBE THIS MIGHT'VE BEEN LIKE 10 YEARS AGO OR SO, OR, OR LONGER, I REMEMBER, UM, WE HAD A MEETING AND UM, I HAD SUGGESTED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANTED.
AND I REMEMBER MARK TENSER, WHO WAS ALIVE AT THAT TIME, HIS FACE TURNED LIKE RED.
AND HE WAS LIKE, HE WAS LIKE, HE AND THE OLD TOWN, FEW PEOPLE WERE LIKE READY TO LIKE, MURDER ME.
UH, BUT THE THING IS, THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP, UM, WAS HE SAID, AND I'LL, I NEVER, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER IT, HE SAID, RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG ARE PAYING THE, FOR THE POOL, WHETHER THEY USE IT OR NOT.
UH, SO THE THING IS THROUGH THE TAXES, EVERYBODY'S PAYING FOR IT.
UM, SO HE FELT THAT IF THE VILLA, THE VILLAGE OF LEY, IF THEY, IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO USE IT, THEN THE LEY RESIDENTS ARE BASICALLY GETTING PREFERENCE BECAUSE THERE MAY BE LEY RESIDENTS WHO DON'T WANT TO USE THE POOL, WHO, WHO'S NEVER GONNA USE THE POOL, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY.
UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG WHO DON'T WANT TO USE THE POOL AND NEVER HAVE USED THE POOL, AND WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO PAY FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE POOL AND THE BONDING AND THE MAINTENANCE AND THE TENANTS.
SO MY FEAR, I, I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A SOMEWHAT ODD ARGUMENT BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THEIR GARBAGE PICKED UP.
SO WHAT DO THEY, WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT HE SAID THAT WE SHOULD BASICALLY, I REMEMBER HE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT WOULD COME UP, IS THAT IF, LIKE OLEY WOULD SAY, GIVE US THE POOL AND WE WILL TAX EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE VILLAGE TO USE THE POOL JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, THEN THE UNINCORPORATED RESIDENTS AND THE VILLAGE OF OURS, LEE RESIDENTS ARE ALL BEING TREATED LIKE TOTALLY EQUAL.
UM, WELL, IF ANY RESIDENT THEN COULD, COULD COME IN AND JOIN THE POOL, THEN ANYBODY COULD JOIN IT.
RIGHT? AND THEN, AND THEN IT WOULD BE BASICALLY EQUAL, YOU KNOW, EQUAL RIGHTS FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, HIS ARGUMENT WASN'T THE POOL, IT WAS BUYING INTO THE PARKS AND REC SYSTEM.
IT WASN'T BUYING INTO THE POOL.
BUT I'M SAYING WE COULD ALWAYS, I'M SAYING THE TOWN BOARD, IF, IF WE COULD YOU HAVE A BETTER RECOLLECTION OF THIS.
IT WAS THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE ARGUMENT.
WELL, WE WERE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE POOL AND, AND BASICALLY REOPENING THE OPTION OF BUYING IT, BUYING IN RIGHT.
TO THE WHOLE THING THAT WAS WITHIN THE SIX MONTH WINDOW OR SOMETHING.
AND I THINK I, IF, IF WE WENT TO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO DO A LOT OF EXTENSIVE STUDYING AND, AND CALCULATIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HAVE THE BEST CHANCE BECAUSE THEN EVERYBODY IN BOTH UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG AND ORLEY ARE BASICALLY BEING TREATED, YOU KNOW, JUST EQUAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY EQUAL EQUALLY.
AND THEN I DON'T, I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T USING THE POOL HERE ARE NOT GONNA FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT THEN THAT GOES TO JURY'S POINT.
LIKE, THEN DO YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TO ALL OF THE VILLAGES, RIGHT? I MEAN, NO.
WELL, THEN EACH VILLAGE WOULD THEN HAVE THE OP, IF WE DO THAT, WOULD SAY THE OPTION WOULD HAVE THE, WOULD SAY IN JUST LIKE IT WAS THE, TO HAVE THE OPTION REACH OUT AFTER TWO TIMES.
I'M SURE THAT HASTINGS WILL SAY NO DOS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A POOL.
DOVES AREA WILL SAY NO, MAYBE IRVINGTON MIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A POOL.
BUT IT WAS THE OPTION FOR THE ENTIRE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO MERGE.
IT WAS NOT THE OPTION JUST FOR POOL.
WELL, WAIT, WAIT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE, WAS HE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD COULD, THE TOWN BOARD COULD SAY, OKAY, WE MIGHT SAY THE, JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU COULD SAY EITHER THE POOL OR YOU COULD SAY THE WHOLE RECREATION, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER BOTH, YOU KNOW, BOTH OPTIONS.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE EQUAL YOU'RE TREATING RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED GREENWOOD WITH LEY, THE BETTER YOUR CHANCES ARE OF EVENTUALLY GETTING THE SOMETHING.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE, THE TOWN TOO, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE WERE SUED BEFORE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THE VILLAGE OF LEY SUED THE TOWN TO GET ACCESS TO THE POOL AND THEY WON, AND THEN THEY CREATED THE NER AND LAW BECAUSE OF THAT.
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FIN AND LAW TO ALLOW ANY OF THIS.SO NOW THE GENESIS OF THE FINON LAW WAS, THAT'S MY POINT IN MANY WAYS TO KEEP ORLEY OUT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT IT WAS NO, NO.
FROM WHAT I TOLD, IT WAS MORE, IT WAS, IT WAS AN ISSUE OF TAXATION.
AND THEN, AND, AND WHILE, WHILE VILLAGE OFFICIALS WANTED TO GET INTO THE, USED A POOL, WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY REALIZED IT HAD TO BE FOR THE WHOLE PARK SYSTEM, WHICH WASN'T AS BIG BACK THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY NEVER EVEN BROUGHT IT UP FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS OF THE SIX VILLAGES OR EVEN PUT IT UP FOR A REFERENDUM.
GOING BACK TO THE SIMILAR CONVERSATION THAT PAUL WAS SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATING THE PARK SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY WAS GOING TO DO AT THAT TIME, WAS GOING TO MAKE THE PARK SYSTEM THE GREEN, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PARK SYSTEM YEAH.
THAT PEOPLE OPTED, THE VILLAGES OPTED INTO.
I'M JUST TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE POOL
WHICH, WHICH, WHICH IS COMPLICATED.
AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LAWS IN PLACE AND NOT, NOT AT THIS TIME TRYING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, HUGE CHANGES TO THE LAW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF YOU, UH, WHAT IF THE TOWN WANTED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW, UM, VILLAGE RESIDENTS TO USE THE TENNIS COURTS AT ANTHONY VETERANS PARK, THAT THEY ARE USED AT OTHER PLACES.
UM, THEN NOT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE DO ALLOW FIVE UP TO 25 PERMITS, WHETHER IT'S A FAMILY PERMITS OR AN INDIVIDUAL FOR THE TENNIS COURTS.
I THOUGHT IT SAYS ON YOUR WEBSITE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE USED AT ANTHONY VETERANS PARK.
NO, I'M PRETTY SURE WE ALLOW THEM.
WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ADVERTISE IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T.
AND I, SO HOW, HOW DO YOU GET AROUND FIN'S LAW BY ALLOWING THOSE PERMITS? BECAUSE IT'S PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNDER STRICT ADHERENCE.
AND 25 IS A VERY, VERY SMALL NUMBER, WHICH WE, WE HAVE NOT.
AND IT COULD BE CHALLENGED IN COURT, AND WE COULD POSSIBLY STILL LOSE THAT.
SO, SO THERE, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO AMEND FIN IN THE LAW.
THE JUDGE CASEY, WHEN SHE LOOKED AT SHE, WHAT YOU MEAN THE BERNSTEIN? YEAH.
THERE WASN'T, THERE, THERE WAS, UM, SOME CONVERSATION WITH, WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATURES ABOUT POTENTIALLY A TOM ADANTE AT THE TIME.
AND I GO, ANYWAY, NO, I KNOW I'M GOING BY THE JUDGE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW THAT HAPPENED IN, UH, UH, JUNE OF 2009.
AND, AND SHE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SHE GAVE EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS AND, UH, FAMILIES WITH DISABILITIES THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE USE.
SO IN THE ONLY THOUSAND 12, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO GET A AMENDMENT.
SO THAT, I, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND, AND WE'RE, LOOK, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT AMENDING IT.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT LAWSUIT IN 2008 OR WHATEVER THAT WAS JUST DECIDED.
THE THIRD COMPONENT SAID THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH A TENNIS OPERATOR FOR A LICENSE AGREEMENT TO, UH, PUT UP A BUBBLE DURING THE WINTER SEASON.
THE JUDGE CAME OUT AND SAID, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE NERMAN LAW.
SO WE WAITED FOR ABOUT, UH, THREE YEARS AND WORKING WITH TOM AHY AND ANDREA STEWART COUSINS, WE HAD HOME RULE LEGISLATION PASS THAT ALLOWS US, WHICH THAT'S WHAT I REFERENC EARLIER, THAT HE WAS REFERENCING TO EARLY, THAT ALLOWS US IN A, IN THE TENNIS COMPLEX, NOT EVEN THOUGH THE TENNIS COMPLEX INCLUDES SEACOR WOODS PARK, BUT IN THE, UH, A, A OF VETERAN PARK THAT WE CAN COME UP, NOT FOR A LICENSE, BUT FOR A LEASE AGREEMENT UP TO 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE NOT EXERCISED THAT YET.
WE'RE IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT NOW DISCUSSING, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO OPEN UP FOR SEASONAL TENNIS FOR THE OUTDOOR AND INDOOR SEASON.
THAT WILL ALLOW, ARE YOU BUT RESIDENT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AMENDING THE CURRENT LAW ORDER? NO, NO, NO.
WHETHER WAS THIS AMENDED YET? MAYBE YOU CAN SAY THAT WAS, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WHY WOULD THAT, WHY WOULD THAT AMENDMENT BE ALLOWED AND NOT AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW TO USE COURT? WE WERE THERE, THERE WAS, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT WE WORKED WITH IT IN DEALING WITH THE STATE LEGISLATION.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS VERY STRICT IN THE WORDING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD TO, IT WAS NEW LAW.
IT WAS, IT WAS A, AN AMENDMENT.
DO YOU THINK IT'S LIKE, IT CREATED A SPECIAL DISTRICT, BUT LET ME ASK A QUESTION, DO YOU THINK, BUT THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE THE POOL.
BUT IF, IF YOU USE THAT MODEL, YEAH, BUT AT THE TIME, IF WE INCLUDED THE POOL A IF WE INCLUDED THE POOL, IT WOULD NEVER HAVE FLOW.
DO YOU THINK, LET'S SAY YOU TRY TO SAY FOR ONE YEAR, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, DO YOU THINK THE VILLAGE MIGHT BE OPEN TO SAYING, LET'S SAY WE SAID LEY RESIDENTS WOULD PAY FOR ONE YEAR AS A PILOT.
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ALL THE RECORD WITH ALL, WITH ALL THE, WITH ALL THE RESPECT, PAUL, I GET CONCERNED BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, I GOTTA, WE GOTTA FOLLOW THE LAW.AND I JUST WHISPERED OVER TO CAN WE DO THAT BY LAW, I MEAN, THAT'S A SUGGESTION.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE, WE FOLLOW THE LAW.
BUT, SO IT'S AN A, IT'S AMENDMENT TO THE LAW.
AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA DEFER TO JOE.
NO, I KNOW, BUT ALL I'M ASKING IS, WOULD THE VILLAGE BE OPEN? LET'S SAY THERE WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LAW AND WE WOULD SAY WE'RE RIGHT.
THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN ALEY, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
WE WOULD SAY IF A VILLAGE, ONCE A PAID THE ENTIRE RECREATION, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMS, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY IN UNINCORPORATED, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT AS A VILLAGE BOARD TO OPT IN.
SO CHANCES ARE THAT IT MAY BE THE SAME RESULTS.
EVERYBODY MAY SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE TAXES GO UP.
BUT THEN WE ARE BASICALLY SAYING, WE'RE TREATING EVERY, WE'RE GIVING EVERYBODY IN LEY THE SAME, RIGHT? TO USE THE POOL AS EVERYBODY IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, WE'RE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING 25 OR 30 WOULD BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY.
BUT THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD TELL YOU WHAT THE COST IS, YOU KNOW, PER HOUSEHOLD.
AND THEN THE VILLAGE BOARD WOULD, UH, WOULD BASICALLY HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THEN YOU'D DECIDE, DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE OR YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE DID THAT, THAT'S THE CLEANEST WAY OF DOING IT.
AND IT BASICALLY IS THE FAIREST, THE WHOLE PARK SYSTEM, I GUESS.
NO, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE SAME, WHATEVER.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE ACCESS TO ALL THE PARKS, THEY'D HAVE ALL THE PARKS AND ALL THE RECREATION PROGRAMS THEY COULD USE.
SO THE ISSUE I SEE WITH THAT IS ONE OF RECIPROCITY.
SO IF WE ARE ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO COME INTO OUR PARKS, YET THEIR PARKS ARE STILL RESTRICTED TO VILLAGE RESIDENTS.
NO, BECAUSE BASICALLY, UNLESS YOU ALL PAID YEAH, THEN WE WOULD, RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING FOR OUR PARKS AND, AND THEIR PARKS.
BUT THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE TIME FOR WITHIN YOUR PARK SYSTEM, WHICH HAS, HAS GROWN SINCE WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WHERE THEY WOULD ALL, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE, UH, TOWN OF OING, IN THE VILLAGE OF OING, THEY HAVE AN INTERM MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT.
THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO IT BECAUSE MM-HMM.
BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE THE SAME THING, WHETHER YOU STILL KEEP OWNERSHIP OR STEWARD, THERE'S A WAY TO WORK THINGS, YOU KNOW, OUT.
BUT LEMME SO, BUT WHEN YOU, KEEP IN MIND, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALLOWING NON-RESIDENTS, ANY PARK THAT HAS RECEIVED FEDERAL FUNDS, FEDERAL, SUCH AS MCDOWELL PARK, IS A LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUNDED PARK.
YOU CANNOT DENY ANYONE FROM GETTING A PERMIT ON THAT PARK.
NOW YOU MAY HAVE EXISTING PERMITS AND YOU HAVE IT, BUT WHEN THERE IS AN OPENING, THAT DOES ALLOW, NOW WE DO HAVE HARTSBURG PARK AND PRESERVE, EAST BROOK PARK MECHANICAL PARK, UH, TRAVIS HILL PARK, THAT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THEM THAT WE HAVE HAD FEDERAL FUNDS AND WE CAN OPEN UP AND ONLY UNINCORPORATED AIR RESIDENTS, UH, PAY FOR THOSE PARKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OPEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, WE'VE, WE CAN GO UP TO LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES JUST SHY OF A DOUBLE FEE, 10,000.
SO BEFORE, BEFORE GOING DOWN A, UH, A LARGER HOLE OF INCORPORATING AND, UM, THE REC DEPARTMENTS AND, AND HAVING LEY RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, OPT IN OR PAY FOR THE GREENBERG.
YOU KNOW, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE 25 PERMITS.
UM, IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO GIVE 25 PERMITS TO NON TOWN OF GREENBURG RESIDENTS TO USE THE TENNIS COURTS, WHY CAN'T WE FIND A WAY TO GIVE 25 PERMITS TO ALLOW LEY RESIDENTS TO USE THE POOL VOLUNTEER? F**K, RIGHT NOW, JUST ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, I'LL GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION, NOT REPRESENTING THE TOWN OR ANYTHING.
REALLY, REALLY DOWN THE POOL IS A VERY CHERISHED FACILITY FOR OUR HONOR CORPORATE GREENBURG RESIDENT.
AND IF I PRESENTED THAT EVEN TO MY PARK AND REC RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, UNANIMOUSLY THEY WOULD VOTE IT DOWN.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL COMMUNITIES HAVE THEIR SPECIAL SERVICES AND FACILITIES THAT ARE THE POOL IS LIKE WE USED TO SAY BACK IN THE NINETIES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE THE CROWN JEWEL OF OUR PARK SYSTEM.
SO IT, IT, IT, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST AN OTHER COMPONENT THAN JUST THE HARD CAR NUMBER OF 25.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING.
IS THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WITH IT, HAS THE CLIMATE CHANGED FROM, FROM 25 YEARS AGO TO NOW? YES.
I THINK THESE DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WE GO FORWARD.
I MEAN, THINGS ARE CHANGING, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WENT TO ME AND, AND THE BOARD ASKED MY RECOMMENDATION, I PERSONALLY WOULD SAY, I, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT, BUT I THINK THE TIME NOW IS TO BEGIN FURTHER DISCUSSION AND COMMITTEE OR COMING BACK AND SEEING IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE VARIETY OF ISSUES.
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WHAT, WHAT IS THE, COME BACK WITH A REPORT TO THIS BOARD OF, OF WHAT WE THINK WE CAN OR CAN'T DO? WHAT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL TOWN BUDGET FOR THE PARKS, THE TOWN PARK? IT, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE OVER FIVE, 6 MILLION AND WHAT IS THE DOLLARS? WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT, SOMETIMES MY BUDGET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INSURANCES AND THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION AND, AND THE MEDICAL BENEFITS FOR FULL-TIME.'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY LIKE ON A SEPARATE FUND.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, IS IT, IS THERE A BREAKOUT LINE FOR ANTHONY VETERANS PARK? YES, THERE IS.
AND WHAT IS THE BREAKOUT LINE FOR ANTHONY VETERANS PARK? UH, I GOTTA LOOK.
IT'S WHAT ABOUT 800,000? IT'S MORE DIRECT MIGHT COST BE CLOSE TO 900.
THAT'S NOT A TRUE NO, I, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THE FULL-TIME WORK OR THE PARKS DIVISION.
BUT WHAT WE, ON THAT BUDGET, IT'S MORE FOR DIRECT COSTS FOR SEASONAL, UH, STAFF THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S NOT A REALLY TRUE QUESTION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MORE BALLPARK FIGURES OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE COST OF THE PARK SYSTEM IS.
THE, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD NEED A REALLY SERIOUS EXPLORATION, AND IF WE DID IT, IS IF IT'S ALMOST LIKE CREATING A SPECIAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE ONE EXCEPTION.
BUT NAH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD FLY IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, HE, PAUL USED AN EXAMPLE OF A, YOU KNOW, A FORMER RESIDENT AND IT WAS A VERY HEATED DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD.
AND, AND I THOUGHT, QUITE FRANKLY, AT THE TIME, MAYOR MOREHOUSE REALLY PRESENTED HIMSELF IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY, THE WAY YOU WERE DOING.
AND I WAS TAKEN ABACK IN SOME OF THE RESPONSES, BUT THESE ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE VERY EMOTIONAL ISSUES AT THE TIME.
AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU GO REAL QUICK AND YOU MAKE A DECISION.
ANOTHER THING THAT I'M SORT OF THINKING JUST POLITICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN EDGEMONT HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT THERE, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING A PETITION TO INCORPORATE.
SO IF EDGEMONT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOES THROUGH AND THEY PRESENT THE PETITION FOR INCORPORATION, AND LET'S SAY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF EDGEMONT FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY DON'T, LET'S SAY 50 PEOPLE USE A POOL AND THEY FEEL THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR ENTIRE RECREATION PROGRAM, BUT BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WILL BE OPEN TO ALLOWING 50 PEOPLE IN EDGEMONT TO PAY EXTRA, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE RECREATION FEES.
THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT REVENUE LOSSES FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN.
BECAUSE THEY'LL FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING IT FOR ODDSLY GIVING A SPECIAL DEAL, WHY WON'T WE DO IT FOR EVERYBODY, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM? SO I, SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CHANCE OF CHANGING THE LAW WOULD BE BASICALLY TO SAY WHATEVER EVERYBODY ELSE IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG IS PAYING, UM, FOR RECREATION, OR AS THE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO CHANGING THE LAW IF YOU PAID THE SAME AMOUNT, AND WE COULD, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GIVE YOU LIKE A BREAKDOWN, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE PER HOUSE, AND THEN THE VILLAGE WOULD DECIDE WHETHER IT'S WORTH DOING IT.
YOU KNOW, I I ALSO FEEL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE SPRAINED POOL ON JACKSON AVENUE, WHICH IS LIKE A GORGEOUS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A SPECTACULAR POOL.
UM, SO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING ALREADY THE POOL ON SPRAIN ROAD.
THE, THE, SO MY GUT FAILING IS THAT, UH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF, IF PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE THE TOWN, THE VILLAGE PAY FOR IT.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE I'M SORT OF, YOU KNOW,
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THAT WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU, IF YOU CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME OF THE STATISTICAL INFORMATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY THE BEST THING.
AND THEN YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA ON HOW TO, UM, ASSESS THE SITUATION FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW.
WHILE YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE US TIME, I HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND SHE'S, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY BUSY.
I THINK, I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS IS 35 YEARS IN THE MAKING.
ANYHOW, SO
YEAH, IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MUCH EVERYBODY'S TAX DOLLAR, I MEAN, IS IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I'LL TRY FINDING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, IF IT WAS, IT WAS COMPLICATED AT THE TIME, SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET UPDATED AND I'LL TRY TO FIND THOSE MINUTES AS WELL'S.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AN ANSWER LIKE, HEY, JR, YOU GOT THE ANSWER.
IT'S GONNA TAKE, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, BUT GOING TO, GOING TO BACK TO THE POINT OF EDGEMONT, SO IF EDGEMONT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, SUCCEEDS IN ITS, UH, INCORPORATION, THEN, UH, I THINK THE TOWN WOULD BE LOOKING MORE AND MORE TO, UM, TRYING TO GET REVENUES FROM THE VILLAGES TO HELP WITH THEIR PARKS.
BUT THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD BASICALLY WANT TO GET EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE LIKE A, A VILLAGE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY OF LIKE PICKING AND CHOOSING, SAYING, OH, WE WANT 25, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, RECREATION FOR 25 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, ALL OR, OR NOTHING.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU WOULD NEED, YOU WOULD NEED THE VILLAGES THEN WE WOULD NEED, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD NEED THE VILLAGES AT THAT POINT.
THEY CAN'T, WE DON'T WANNA SUBSIDIZE,
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YOU KNOW, EDGE RUN AND SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING A, A BREAK BECAUSE THEY, THEY ONLY, THEY COULD, IF THEY PAY FOR 25 PERMITS, THEY GET THE POOL, UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.YOU KNOW, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY FAIR.
SOMETIMES IT'S VERY HARD LIVING WITH DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE A LONG TIME AGO THAT OBVIOUSLY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER AT SOME TRUE LEVEL ANYWAY.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T WE GET THE INFORMATION WHAT THE, HOW IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE BASICALLY, UM, OFFERED TO OPEN UP THE POOL TO, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND IT WAS TREAT AND EVERYBODY WAS TREATED THE SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE AND UNINCORPORATED, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT EVERYBODY'S TAX DOLLARS? BECAUSE IT MAY NOT REALLY BE THAT MUCH.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REAL, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, TOWN SERVICES, IT MIGHT BE AFFORDABLE.
I MEAN, WE CAN SAY ALL THIS, WE NEED TO PLUS, YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY SENSE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS OUR, OUR MASTER PARKS PLAN IS GONNA BE COMPLETED.
AND WE DID A VERY EXTENSIVE SURVEY, UM, TO THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS.
WE HAD A VERY, VERY GOOD RESPONSE.
AND SO I THINK WE WILL ACTUALLY FROM THAT SURVEY, UM, HAVE MORE STATISTICAL INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS ABOUT POOL USAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM OUR SIDE AS WELL.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT FROM THE ARDSLEY RESIDENT SIDE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE SUCH AS THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL GAVE BECAUSE WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ON THE PARKS BOARD ACTUALLY IN DISCUSSION OF A SIMILAR REQUEST.
AND, UM, SO THERE ARE STRONG FEELINGS ON THE SIDE OF GREENBERG RESIDENTS WHO'VE BEEN PAYING THEIR, THE TAXES FOR MANY YEARS.
AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I THINK WE WANNA SEE WHAT WE CAN MAKE HAPPEN THAT'S EQUITABLE AND FAIR TO EVERYBODY, BUT IT IS, IT IS COMPLICATED ALSO FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION, I THINK.
I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE HOW COMPLICATED THIS IS.
I LIVE, I CAN SEE THE POOL, BUT THERE'S ONE RESIDENT POOL, HEATHERDALE ROAD, THE RESIDENT.
AND I HAD TO, I THINK WE GET THAT SAME PHONE CALL FROM THAT PERSON WHO SAYS, I CONCEIVE THE POOL.
DO YOU KNOW THE, THE GEMAN HOUSE THAT WAS, UH, TAKEN DOWN FOR THE DPW? THAT PERSON COULDN'T USE THE POOL.
GIVES THE ENTRANCE TO THE POOL AND THE D P W BRUSH.
WE JUST GOTTA REALLY DO A HOMEWORK.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, REALLY TONIGHT WAS TO START THIS CONVERSATION, UM, TO OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION TO, UM, FIND AVENUES THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ABOUT AND, AND YOU CAN DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND PROVIDE US FOR THE INFORMATION AND TO CONTINUE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO KEEP TAXES DOWN AND CONSOLIDATE AND, YOU KNOW, WORK TOWARDS PEOPLE HAVING A MORE AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE.
UM, BUT ALSO HAVE THE RESOURCE, HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECREATIONS THAT WE ALL WANT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VOLUNTEER? ABSOLUTELY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE'RE, WE'RE NEIGHBORS NOW, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HIGHWAY GARAGE AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, TRISH, LACEY AND, AND, AND OTHER STAFF.
I MEAN, JOE AND I ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, THE ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT WORKING IN GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND PROFESSIONALS, IS THAT, UH, WE'RE ALL OUT TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES BETTER.
SO WE'RE HERE TO, TO WORK WITH YOU AND GET AS MUCH INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I WISH I HAD LIKE THE NUMBER THAT WHAT IT WOULD'VE COST IF THE WHOLE TOWN COULD INCORPORATE IF I HAD THAT HARD NUMBER.
AND YOU INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR SURVEY MM-HMM.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH ANY, HOW MANY VOLUNTEER AMBULANCE CORPS AND, UM, UH, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND, UH, FIREFIGHTERS, UM, I, I WOULD'VE TO DO, WE CAN GET SOME DATA.
WHAT WE ALWAYS TRY IS WE GET A LETTER USING FROM THE VILLAGE ADMINISTRATOR AND ALL THAT.
WE GET A LETTER EVERY YEAR, HOW MANY VOLUNTEERER FIREMEN WE HAVE, AND IT'S WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL.
AND, AND SOME OF YOUR FIREMEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE AND AMBULANCE WORKERS HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT.
AND IT'S WORKED OUT WELL SO FAR.
NO, IT'S A NICE BENEFIT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER AND, AND THAT THEY GIVE UP THEIR TIME AND HAVE, IT'S A NICE BENEFIT THAT IT'S OFFERED TO THEM AND IT'S APPRECIATED.
AND, AND THERE ARE, AND THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE HELP THAT YOU GET FROM, FROM FIRE, FROM, UM, E M SS AND AMBULANCE COURTS ARE FUNGIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO RESIDENTS OF GREENBURG ON OCCASION.
WE'RE MUTUAL AIDING AND ALL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS I BELIEVE WHERE THAT JUDGE KKAY THAT ABILITY TO OFFER THE, UM, USE OF THE POOL CAME IN BECAUSE THOSE I COME CLEAN THE POOL BORDERS ARE FIGHTING
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WE'VE HAD A LABOR SHORTAGE.THE POOL DOESN'T HAVE TO, UH, UH, PAY TO US A POOL.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST REALLY WANT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO BEGIN THIS DIALOGUE AND NOT BE BOUND BY SOMETHING HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO.
YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, DON'T LIKE THAT ANSWER.
I MEAN, IT IS THE LAW, BUT THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONTINUING TO BE BOUND BY THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND NOT TO BE ABLE TO RIGHT.
THINK CREATIVELY ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANNA BE BOUND BY SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 1982, BUT IF WE WENT TO REPEAL THAT LAW, I HAVE A FEELING WE'D HAVE TREMENDOUS OPPOSITION FROM THE VILLAGES, FROM REPEALING THAT LAW.
WELL, BUT IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT WE'RE PAYING EQUALLY INTO THE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, THROUGH OUR TAXES, THEN, UM, IT'S, IT'S A SHARE, A SHARE ALIKE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GETTING A BENEFIT FOR SOMETHING.
DO YOU FEEL, I DON'T, DON'T THINK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THAT, THAT THE VILLAGES AS A GENERAL RULE WANT EVERYBODY FROM UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG TO COME INTO THEIR BOUNDARIES AND FEEL FREE THERE.
LIKE, I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE PARTICULARLY, AND THAT SINCE YOU REFERENCED OLD LAWS, IN MY RECOLLECTION, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE VILLAGES INCORPORATED TO BEGIN WITH A LOT OF THEM, WAS TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE ARE RUNNING INTO, WE'RE, WE'RE LOGGING HEADS NOW BY TRYING TO REVERSE THAT.
BUT IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE OLD LAWS, SOME OF WHICH WERE PUT ON THE BOOKS FOR NEFARIOUS REASONS THAT WE'RE NOW TRYING TO BACKPEDAL OUT OF MM-HMM.
SO WE REALLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE HOMEWORK AND WORK.
CAN I JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, HARD, YOU KNOW, HARD TO GET AROUND IT.
DO, DO YOU FEEL, I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS, DO YOU FEEL THAT IF WE ASK FOR A CHANGE IN THE LAWNS OF ANY VILLAGE THAT PAYS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, IS PAYING, UH, WOULD, WOULD AGAIN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPT IN? DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG WOULD OPPOSE? I'M, I'M JUST, I THINK RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG WOULD GO ALONG WITH IT EASIER THAN RESIDENTS OF THE VILLAGES.
I THINK IT'S THE VILLAGES WHO ARE GONNA PUT UP.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING THE WOULD WOULD YOU, WOULD ANYBODY HAVE CONCEPT? IT WOULD, IT WOULD WORK IF IT WAS RECIPROCAL.
IF IT'S NOT RECIPROCAL, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WORK.
I THINK THAT THAT'S THE POINT YOU WERE MAKING.
WE DON'T, GREENBURG RESIDENT COULD USE IRVINGTON AND IRVING.
I'M SAYING NO, BECAUSE WE THAT'S THE POINT.
GREEN, THAT'S THE POINT IF GREENBERG RIGHT.
SO THE VILLAGE WOULD APPEALING FINRA, BUT IF THE VILLAGE, IT'S NOT VILLAGE THE VILLAGE, IT'S THE VILLAGES.
BUT, BUT IF MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO ONE VILLAGE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT ALL THE VILLAGES, BUT THE CAVEAT, CAVEAT BEING YES, USING THE PARK WITH THE CROWN JEWEL, AS YOU SAID, IS THE, LET ME JUST FINISH, IS THE POOL.
AND IF, IF ALL THE OTHER VILLAGES OR MOST OF THE OTHER VILLAGES HAVE POOLS THEN, WHICH IS WHAT PROBABLY THE VILLAGERS WOULD AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE MOST WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME PUSHBACK FROM THE OTHER VILLAGES.
E E EXCEPT THAT IT, YOU CAN DO WHAT, HOW IT WAS DONE ORIGINALLY, UM, AND OFFER IT TO ALL THE VILLAGERS AND ALLOW THEM TO OPT OUT.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THE AGREEMENT AND ALLOW THOSE TO OPT IN, WHO WANT TO OPT IN NOW, THAT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENT FINANCIAL EQUATION, UM, GOING FORWARD.
BUT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED.
UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU ALLOW, IF YOU SAID TO ALL THE VILLAGES, OKAY, YOU CAN OPT INTO THE GREENBERG, YOU KNOW, RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR X NUMBER OF DOLLARS ON YOUR TAXES, BUT YOU COULD CHOOSE TO OPT OUT.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY OPT IN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
THIS, THE OFFER IS PUT OUT THERE.
IF YOU'D OPT OUT, YOU'RE OUT MEAN AS A WHOLE.
IT'S LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN 1982.
I'M SAYING GOING BACK TO HOW THE ORIGINAL SCENARIO WAS SET UP AND AS FASCINATING AS THIS IS, BUT WE'RE NOW YES.
I THINK THE HIGHWAY GARAGE IS GOING NICELY.
YOUR STAFF'S DOING A GREAT JOB AND IT WOULD WORK ON A LOT OF ISSUES.
PAUL, YOU WANNA MAKE, MAKE A MOTION FOR YEAH, UH, YOU'RE FINE.
I'M MAKING A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, CONTRACTS, PERSONNEL, UM, INVOLVING INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE HERE AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS HERE, AND A WHOLE VARIETY OF ISSUES.