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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
[ DRAFT TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, February 1, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 1ST.CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, WE CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
WE NOTE THAT MR. HAY AND MR. DESAI ARE ON ZOOM.
MS. DAVIS ISN'T PRESENT THIS EVENING.
AND THEREFORE, MS. RETAG WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, REVISIONS TO IT? TOM, I THINK YOU DID RIGHT? NO, I DID NOT.
ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY NO REVISIONS? NOT AT ALL.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? SO MOVED.
MICHAEL AND WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? DO WE GET TWO A'S ON THE, I CAN'T SEE, SEE THE COMPUTER WHERE YOU HAVE IT? THERE'S A PROBLEM.
HOW'S THAT? BETTER? THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A FEW ITEMS. UH, AND THE, AND MICHAEL ALSO HAS ONE THAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.
UM, WE, THERE'S ANOTHER LETTER THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE GETTING, UH, THAT CAME IN FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT THAT, UM, WE'RE STILL AMANDA, UH, MYSELF AND AARON HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING.
AND WE'LL GET OUT A CORRESPONDENCE OF SOME KIND OF THE, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD GETS THE LETTER THIS WEEK.
AND I WILL BE DRAFTING A LETTER PROBABLY IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
I'LL SEND THAT DRAFT OUT SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THIS IS REGARDING THE BEST AT GREENVILLE AND AT, UH, MIDWAY.
THEIR RESPONSE, WHICH CAME IN FOR THE RECORD A DAY LATE 40.
MY, WELL, WHY WAS A, ANY RESPONSE SHOULD SAY YOUR LETTERS ARE DAY LATE ON THAT BASIS ALONE, WE CAN REJECT IT.
HOWEVER, WE WILL PROCEED TO DISCUSS THE MERITS.
WE HAVE TWO EXTENSION REQUESTS, I BELIEVE.
UH, AARON, YOU WANNA TAKE CARE OF THAT? YES.
PB 19 DASH 26, WHICH IS, UH, THE KAUFMAN SUBDIVISION, UH, MR. ESCALADES, WHO'S HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, THIS IS 36 HILLCREST AVENUE IN ARDSLEY.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THEIR FOURTH PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION.
UM, THE LETTER INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT'S NOT YET SECURED THE NECESSARY INFORMATION NEEDED TO OBTAIN A LETTER FROM THE WATER COMPANY SERVICING THE PROPERTY, UM, AND ATTESTING TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY AND CAPACITY AND PRESSURE IN THE LINE THAT WOULD SERVE THAT PROPERTY.
I'M GONNA JUST ASK MR. ESCAL TO TELL US WHAT THE ISSUE IS WITH THE WATER COMPANY.
THE, ACTUALLY, WE, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED, UH, SUBMITTING THE REQUESTS OF APPROVALS FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND PICK THE MIC UP.
THE TOWN OF GREENBERG'S, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WAS SLOW IN RESPONDING BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR, UH, LEADER.
MR. C L C LEFT AND THERE WAS NO, UH, THERE WAS NO RESPONSE TO OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST.
THEN JIM STEPPED IN AND HE, AND HE, HE, HE VERIFIED WHAT HE SUSPECTED HE BELIEVED THAT THAT IS NOT OUR WATERLINE.
HE SAID HE, THEY HAD TO GET A HOLD OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
FINALLY, THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, ASSURED THEM THAT THAT WAS NOT, UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG'S WATER DEPARTMENT.
VEOLIA OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU REALLY PRONOUNCE IT.
AND, UH, FORMALLY SUEZ OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
PEOPLE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT NAME.
I KNEW WHO SUEZ WAS THAT DID NOT VEOLIA.
AND, UH, I ALWAYS THINK OF THE SUEZ CANAL, UM, AND IT PROBLEMS THAT IT CAUSED.
UM, BUT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THEN FINALLY, MR. KAUFMAN HIMSELF WAS ABLE TO FIND, IT WAS, IT WAS A LINE OF COMMAND THAT WAS HARD TO FIND.
AND FINALLY THE TRUCK SHOWED UP TO DO SOMETHING ELSE IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND HE FOUND OUT THE NAME OF THE GENTLEMAN.
OKAY, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE? WE DON'T NEED THE WHOLE STORY.
THE CORRESPONDENCE WAS SENT TO THE RIGHT GUY AND THE LETTER WAS SENT SAYS, PLEASE REVIEW THE, THE, MY LAW COPY.
WE SENT THEM A COPY OF THE, MY LAW.
THIS IS THE CONNECTION THAT WE NEED TO DO.
PLEASE TELL US THAT YOU DO HAVE ENOUGH AT ADEQUATE PRESSURE AND VOLUME FOR US, FOR YOU TO WRITE A LETTER TO US, FOR US TO TELL THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND TO SEND IT TO.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING THAT? SAY AGAIN? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN YOU'LL BE GETTING THAT LETTER? UM, I, I SHOULD GET IT NEXT WEEK IN TWO WEEKS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO GRANT THIS
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EXTENSION TILL WHAT DATE? IT'S GONNA BE 90 DAYS FROM JANUARY 28TH.SO, MOVE WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? UH, SORRY.
I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU HOME THIS TIME.
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SECOND ONE IS CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 33.
THAT'S A BROAD SKI SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS THEIR THIRD EXTENSION REQUEST.
UM, MR. ENO'S OFFICE SUBMITTED THE LETTER.
THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THE DE DEEP TEST PITS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND WITNESSED BY THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THE SOIL PERCOLATION TESTS HAVE ALSO BEEN COMPLETED.
THEY'RE NOW FINALIZING THE SEPTIC DESIGN AND PREPARING THE SUBMISSION.
IF YOU RECALL, THAT PROPERTY'S ON SEPTIC.
AND SO THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SUBMITTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT YET? NO.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE, AND THEY'RE RESPONDING TO FEEDBACK.
GOOD LUCK TO SEE IF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RESPONDS TO THEM IN 90 DAYS, THEY'RE GONNA BE BACK FOR ANOTHER ONE.
UM, COULD, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, GIVE THEM AN EXTENSION FROM WHAT DATE? JANUARY 29TH.
90 DAY EXTENSION FROM JANUARY 29TH.
BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANNA MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ANYBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE OR, UM, ON, UH, ZOOM.
THE SAUNDERS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EVENING HAS, WILL BE ADJOURNED TO A LATER DATE.
UM, THEY HAVE JUST DONE SOME PERCOLATION TESTS ON THE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY AND, UH, CAME UP WITH A DISCOVERY THAT THEY NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK IN TERMS OF, UH, A DRAINAGE PROPOSAL FOR THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY IN THIS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT THE FIRST TIME, GAVE US SOME INPUT.
IT ALSO JUST SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO WALK THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE WHEN WALKING THE PROPERTY, THERE'S CLEARLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO IT JUST SHOWS HOW, HOW IMPORTANT SIDEWALKS ARE TOO.
SO, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THEM FOR BEING, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON IN TRYING TO RESPOND TO THIS.
BUT THAT WILL BE PUT FOR, FOR A DATE.
SO I CAN'T, CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE SCHEDULE FOR THAT WOULD BE.
THEY DID ASK IN THEIR MOST RECENT EMAIL, AND WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THE DAAS, BUT THEY CAN PUT ASK FOR A SPECIFIC DATE THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN.
WE TAKE, WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE THAT FROM DAAS.
UH, MICHAEL, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO BRING UP, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE, THERE'S AN ASSOCIATION IN NEW YORK CALLED THE NEW YORK PLANNING FEDERATION, AND APPARENTLY THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 80 YEARS.
THE, THE PLANNING FEDERATION IS REALLY AN ASSOCIATION WHICH PROVIDES EDUCATION AND OTHER BENEFITS TO PLANNING BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF THEM.
THE, UM, THE TOWNS, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ATTENDANCE AT THE, UM, AT THE, UM, UH, CONFERENCE.
UM, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG GRACIOUSLY PAID FOR US TO GO TO THE CONFERENCE.
WHAT, FOUR YEARS AGO? JUST BEFORE COVID? PRE COVID.
GEORGE OR SOMETHING? IT WASN'T LIKE GEORGE.
THIS ONE IS IN, THIS ONE IS IN, UH, SARATOGA SPRINGS.
I, THE, THE REGISTRATION IS ABOUT $300 PER PERSON.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S THE FEE FOR THE, UM, HOTEL, WHICH IS, UM, TWO DAYS.
UM, AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS A PERSON.
SO, UH, THIS, THIS CONFERENCE IS BEING HELD APRIL 16 TO 18.
THAT IS SUNDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.
I THINK THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE TWO MAJOR ADVANTAGES WHEN WE ALL WENT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
ONE, UM, WE LEARNED A LOT, YOU KNOW, NEW BOARD MEMBERS, OLD BOARD MEMBERS.
YOU KNOW, YOU PICK THE COURSE THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR AND YOU KNOW, IT REMINDS YOU OF THINGS YOU SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED BUT DIDN'T.
TEACHERS YOU NEW THINGS, YOU KNOW, MAKES YOU ASK QUESTIONS.
WE COME BACK, WE BUG THE HECK OUT OF AMANDA
AND, AND THE SECOND IS, IT'S A GREAT SOCIAL EVENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO SPEND TIME AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, MEALS TOGETHER.
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YOU KNOW, I WOULD BESIEGE AARON TO GET THE TOWN BOARD TO AUTHORIZE OUR ATTENDANCE.UM, YOU MAY WANT TO, I, I'LL GIVE YOU THE SHEET.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PULL IT OFF THE, UH, GIVE THE, THAT IT'S, IT IS GOT THE CONFERENCE FEE, BUT IT'S EXHIBIT ONE.
I DIDN'T, I NEGLECTED TO CHECK THE HOTEL FEE.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, MAYBE AARON, YOU COULD CHECK THE HOTEL FEE, THE CONFERENCE FEE.
SO YOU CAN GIVE THE TOWN BOARD A SENSE.
WHAT DO WE COST PER PERSON? IF YOU WANNA BRING YOUR SPOUSE, YOU PAY EXTRA.
IF THERE'S ANY EXTRA COST, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
CAN I JUST SAY WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TAKE SEVEN CREDITS PER BOARD MEMBER PER YEAR? FOUR CREDITS.
UM, AS IT IS THAT THEY PAY UP ANYWAY.
AND, AND FRANKLY, UNLESS YOU'RE A NEW BOARD MEMBER, WF IS KIND OF WORN OUT EXCEPT FOR THE CASE.
THE CASE LAW THING IS REALLY THE ONLY THING FOR US THAT MAKES SENSE.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH SEEKER 1700 TIMES MM-HMM.
BUT WHAT I FOUND AT, AT THE CONFERENCE WE DID THE LAST TIME IS THERE WAS A LOT OF VERY GOOD INFORMATION ON THINGS LIKE YEAH, THEY WERE GREAT CLASSES.
DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN PLANNING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE PICK UP SOME PEOPLE THAT COULD ACTUALLY HELP THE TOWN TO IT.
IT'S ALSO WORTH IT FOR SOME OF THE BOARDS THAT WE ALL SIT ON TOO.
SO BESIDES THIS, THE COMMITTEES WE ALL SIT ON BESIDES THE PLANNING BOARD.
I JUST WANT TO CHIME IN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ZONING THINGS IN THE WIND, LIKE THE
I THINK MORE THAN EVER, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET AS MUCH OUTSIDE, UH, EDUCATION AS WE CAN.
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH THAT.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE IT REINFORCES SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS GREAT.
IT DID THAT, BUT WE ALSO LEARNED A LOT OF NEW THINGS.
WE, WE LEARNED DIFFERENT PLANNING TECHNIQUES TOO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE IN GREENBURG, BUT WE, WE, WE LEARNED THEM LIKE BULK ZONING WE LEARNED ABOUT AND WHICH HAS BEEN DONE IN DOWNTOWN NEW ROCHELLE AND WAS DONE SUCCESSFULLY IN A SUBURB OF, UH, ROCHESTER.
THAT WAS THE ONE THEY PRESENTED UP IN LAKE GEORGE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO ATTENTION, MICHAEL.
I'LL JUST ASK ONE THING, AARON, YOU KNOW, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE APRIL ISN'T THAT FAR AWAY AND WE NEED A PLAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE PLANS.
THANK YOU VERY, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN CORRESPONDENCE OR WE READY, READY TO MOVE ON? ASIDE FROM WHAT CAME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
UH, LET'S GO INTO THE OLD BUSINESS FIRST.
UM, EMILIO, UM, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SIT THERE AND NOT EVEN HAVE TO COME UP FOR THIS.
I'M HOPING, UM, THIS IS CASE PB 21 DASH OH EIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA NEED THAT TONIGHT FOR THIS.
UH, 2108, UH, UNLESS PEOPLE NEED THEIR MEMORY REFRESHED, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WAS IT? IN APRIL, LAST SPRING.
REMEMBER IT WAS A SUBSTANDARD LOT.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE, UH, ACTUALLY GAVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AT THE TIME WAS WE LOOKED AT ALL THE LOTS AROUND IT AND IT FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WORKED THROUGH THE DRAINAGE WITH EMILIO AT THE TIME, AND WE GAVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS HE WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD, GOT THOSE, THOSE APPROVED, AND ED LIEBERMAN COUNCIL FOR THE ZONING BOARD LOOKED AT THE CODE, SAID THEY REALLY, I THINK IT WAS TWO OR THREE OTHER SECTIONS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE APPLIED FOR VARIANCES FOR THAT WERE NOT PICKED UP BY THE IN-BUILDING INSPECTOR.
SO THEY'RE ASKING HIM TO REAPPLY FOR THOSE, THOSE, I DON'T WANT TO SLOW THIS THING DOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE TECHNICALITIES OF WHY, WHY THEY NEED THESE, THAT WHETHER THEY DO OR THEY DON'T.
WHAT I BELIEVE IS NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEND A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD THAT REAFFIRMS OUR PREVIOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
COULD WE JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
COULD YOU DO THAT OR AMANDA? ONE OF THE TWO OF YOU CAN DO IT.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA RECITE FROM THE AGENDA, AND I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE TWO ORIGINAL VARIANCES HAVE NOT YET BEEN GRANTED.
THERE HASN'T OF A DECISION BECAUSE THIS NEW INFORMATION CAME TO LIGHT, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
BUT, UM, STATES IN HERE, PURSUANT TO A MEMORANDUM ISSUED BY THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR DATED DECEMBER 12TH, 2022, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL AREA VARIANCES AS PER SECTION 2 85 DASH 40 C6 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH STATES THAT ANY PARCEL OF LAND HAVING ACCESS
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TO A STREET SHOWN ON THE OFFICIAL MAP OF THE TOWN AND HAVING AN AREA OR FRONTAGE WIDTH LESS THAN THAT PRESCRIBED FOR THE DISTRICT IN WHICH SUCH PARTIAL IS SITUATED, MAY BE USED AS A LOT FOR ANY PURPOSE PERMITTED IN SUCH DISTRICT.PROVIDED THAT ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET SECTION 2 85 DASH 40 C SIX B, WHICH STATES SUCH PARTIAL WAS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP AT THE TIME OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CHAPTER.
AND THE OWNER THEREOF AT THAT TIME DID NOT THEN OWN AND HAS AT NO TIME SINCE THEN OWNED ANY LAND ADJOINING SUCH PARCEL SECTION TWO 80.
SO THEY NEED A VARIANCE FROM THAT SECTION.
THAT IS THE, THEY NEED A VARIANCE FROM THAT SECTION BECAUSE IT, THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
UH, TWO FROM SECTION 2 85, 40 C SIX C, WHICH STATES THAT EACH OWNER OF SUCH PARCEL SUBSEQUENT TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CHAPTER HAS NOT SUBSEQUENT TO SET EFFECTIVE DATE OWNED ANY LAND ADJOINING SUCH PARCEL.
SO THEY, THEY DID PREVIOUSLY OWN A PARCEL ADJACENT.
IS IT SUBDIVIDED? IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? UM, SO ACTUALLY WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE RECORDS ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT GOES WAY, WAY BACK.
AND THREE SECTION 2 85 DASH 40 C6 D, WHICH STATES THAT SUCH PARCEL WAS NOT AT ANY TIME REDUCED IN AREA OR WIDTH BY ANY VOLUNTARY ACT OF AN OWNER THEREOF.
SO AS TO BE NON-CONFORMING AS TO SIZE UNDER THE THEN EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE IN A NUTSHELL,
AND THEY GO BACK AND THIS WAS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER.
AND THIS GOES BACK MANY YEARS.
15 GOES BACK MANY YEARS, 58, 57, 19 57, 19 50, 19 57.
THAT'S OUR CURRENT, I WASN'T EVEN BORN THERE.
ZONING ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN.
THE APPLICANT'S EXPECTED TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD IN FEBRUARY AND THE ZONING BOARD WOULD BENEFIT FROM, UH, AN UPDATED RECOMMENDATION.
I, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CHANGES ANYTHING THAT WE ALREADY DECIDED.
IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE TECHNICAL OKAY.
SO I WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE A REASONS.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL REASONS FOR MAKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE REITERATED.
I, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A WHILE, BUT I THINK IT'S BASICALLY AN EYESORE.
IT'S A SCRAGGLY, STEEP, STEEP SLOPE.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT I CAN NOTE QUICKLY.
UH, IN THE PRIOR RECOMMENDATION DATED APRIL 26TH, 2022, THE BOARD VOTED, UH, IN TO MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND NOTED THAT WHILE ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTIES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY APPEAR TO BE UNDERSIZED, THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN CODE, THE INCLUSION OF A PERVIOUS SURFACE DRIVEWAY AND THE ADDITION OF LANDSCAPING REPRESENT A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE LOT.
SO I WOULD REPEAT THAT AND THEN I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE, THE REQUIRED VARIANCES ARE TECHNICAL, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, NON-SENSITIVE AND HAVE NO IMPACT ON LAND USE.
IS THAT A MO IS THAT A MOTION THEN? AND THAT IS A MOTION.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I THINK I SAW CORRECTING THE RIGHT, DIDN'T I? CORRECT.
NOW WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
BARBARA HERE, SHE THIS OR YOU'RE GOOD? SHE SAYS QUIET OVER TO THE, SORRY, BARBARA, I DIDN'T SEE YOU.
WE'LL GO UP, SHUT OFF YOUR MICS HERE, PLEASE.
HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE WORLD.
I JUST REMIND EVERYONE TO PUT YOUR MICS ON IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? PRESENT.
MR. DESAI? ON ZOOM HERE? YEAH.
AND MS. DAVIS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
MS. FREYTAG WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
UH, THE FIRST CASE, UH, TO BE HEARD TONIGHT WAS, UH, PB 22 DASH 22, WHICH WAS THE SAUNDERS SUBDIVISION AT ONE ST.
UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADJOURNED.
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HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK TO DO, UH, BEFORE, UH, PRESENTING AT A PUBLIC HEARING.AND, UH, IS THERE A PROPOSED DATE, MR. SCHMIDT, FOR, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THAT? YES.
SO THE APPLICANT'S INDICATED THAT IT CAN GET THE REVISED INFORMATION IN FOR STAFF LEVEL REVIEW AHEAD OF THE MARCH 1ST MEETING, AND IS ASKED TO BE ADJOURNED TO MARCH 1ST.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT? YES.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? UH, THE SON.
DON'T SPEAK WITH FOOD IN YOUR MOUTH, PLEASE.
ALL, ALL POST, ALL POST IT CARRIES.
UH, IT'S A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE? WE DO.
MIO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC? PLEASE START.
SO I'M GONNA PULL UP THE, I CAN PULL THIS UP AND IT'LL BE SHARED SO THAT YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE DRAWINGS.
I DID WANNA NOTE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I'M SURE MR. ESCALADES WAS GONNA MENTION THIS, BUT, UH, THE PROJECT WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF WORK SESSIONS.
THERE WAS A SECRET DETERMINATION MADE AND A RECOMMENDATION MADE TO, ON AN AREA VARIANCE REQUIRED RELATED TO SETBACK FOR A DRIVEWAY ON ONE OF THE LOTS THAT ZONING BOARD, UH, THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED THAT AREA OF VARIANCE.
AND NOW PROCEDURALLY THE APPLICANT COMES BACK FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY, UH, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, UH, QUICKLY SO THAT WE DON'T REPEAT THINGS, UH, NOT NEEDED.
WHAT WE HAVE IS THE SAME FOUR LOTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED BY THE APPLICANT OF THIS SUBDIVISION.
WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, WE, OF COURSE HAD A, A LEGAL FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE NEIGHBORS, FOR EVERYONE.
AND IN PROCESSING, WE BUILT ONE HOUSE AND IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, SUBMITTING A SET OF PLANS FOR ONE OF THE REAR LOTS, UH, WHICH WERE JOINED TOGETHER, THEY WERE NOT SEPARATED LIKE THEY ARE NOW.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, IS A BETTERMENT OF THE NEW SUBDIVISION.
WE WERE TOLD ENOUGH THINGS THAT LED US TO BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, TOWN WAS GOING NOT VERY HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT WE WERE COMING IN WITH SUBSTANDARD, AS PER TODAY'S PLANS, THE CRITERIA.
AND THAT THE ORIGINAL 19 SOMETHINGS 70 SUBDIVISION WAS REALLY NOT OF THEIR LIKING.
UM, AT THAT POINT, WE HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE.
WE COULD PUSH FORWARD AND SAY, WELL, WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION DEAL WITH IT.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE IT WOULD'VE MULTIPLIED ITSELF INTO VARIANCES TO SATISFY THE MORE MODERN, UH, VERSION OF THE ZONING.
WE DECIDED AS A GROUP, AND THE APPLICANT WISELY DECIDED, LET'S FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND ALL OF THE STUFF, AND RESUBMIT WITH A DIFFERENT GEOMETRY, A WIDER ROAD, AND, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD MEET THE PRESENT STANDARDS, UH, BETTER DRAINAGE.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH DRAINAGE IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
SO WHAT WE CAME FORWARD WITH WAS A MODERN VERSION OF THE SAME, UH, THE SUBDIVISION OF THE SAME SIZE LOT, AND IT YIELDED A LOT, UH, OF FOUR LOTS THAT, UM, ARE EQUALLY, ALMOST EQUALLY, ALMOST EQUALLY SIZED, AND MUCH, IN MY OPINION, MORE PRIVATE THAN THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.
UM, IN DOING SO, WE, WE TOOK DOWN THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL, UH, BUILDING THAT WAS THERE, UM, WHICH HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE SAME AREA AS THIS SUBDIVISION SHOWS WILL HAVE LESS PAVEMENT ON IT THAN IT USED TO HAVE.
UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION WITH THE ROAD ON THE RIGHT.
IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF IN THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY OF, OF THE TOWN.
IT HAS, UM, ALL OF THE, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, STORMWATER DRAINAGE, UM, ISSUES RESOLVED.
WE ARE INCREASING THE, A PERMEABLE SURFACES BY ADDING, UH, AN EIGHT FOOT STRIP IN FRONT OF EVERY DRIVEWAY WHERE, WHERE WE WILL BE HAVING A PERMEABLE PAVEMENT DETAIL.
UM, AND WE HAVE UPSIZED, UM, THE, THE, THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR DETAIN WATER, UM, BY PROBABLY 25%, BUT I'M YET, I'M, I'M SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT
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THAT TO ENGINEERING WITH NUMBERS AND PROOF OF THAT.UM, THE GREAT ADVANTAGE OF THIS DESIGN IS THAT THE OVERFLOW OF ALL THE SYSTEMS ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED.
AND WORST CASE SCENARIO, LET'S SAY A 25, A 50 YEAR STORM COMES AND OUR CAPACITY OF STORAGE IS EXCEEDED.
THE WATER WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE OVERFLOWING INTO THE STORM WATER, UH, SYSTEM OF THE STREET, IN THE STREET OF THE TOWN.
SO THERE IS NO BACKUP INTO THE PROPERTY OR ONTO THE NEIGHBORS.
IT WILL ALL HAVE TO COLLECT IT.
IF IT DOESN'T SEEP INTO THE GROUND, IT WILL OVERFLOW INTO THE CITY'S, UH, STORMWATER SYSTEM.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT GUARANTEES TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT OUR PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE WATER ONTO THEIR LAND.
UM, WE, WHATEVER CAPTURED WATER WE HAVE, IT WILL FLOW INTO THE GROUND OR IT WILL OVERFLOW, UM, INTO THE STREET SYSTEM.
UM, WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE, UM, PLANTING DIAGRAM PROPOSED.
MOST OF THE TREES THAT ARE PRESENT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SACRIFICED THERE, EITHER IN THE CONSTRUCTION AREA, THE ROAD AREA, OR THE HOUSE FOOTPRINT, UM, OR THE, UH, NEAR THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED STORMWATER DEVICES.
UM, WE, WE, THE TOWN HAS AN EXHAUST, UH, EXTENSIVE, UH, PROCEDURE THAT IS FAIRLY NEW AND ALL THE OTHER TOWNS ARE COPYING THAT DELINEATE THE VALUE OF EACH TREE IN TERMS OF TWO PARAMETERS, THE AMOUNT OF WATER, STORM WATER THAT IT INTERCEPTS, AND THE AMOUNT OF POUNDS OF C O TWO THAT IT PROCESSES.
WE, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE HELP AND THE COORDINATION OF, OF, OF PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE COME UP THOSE GREEN, UH, RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SEE IN THE DRAWING.
UH, THOSE ARE TREES TO BE REMOVED.
UM, THERE'S ONE OR TWO PROBABLY THAT WE'LL KEEP.
WE, WE DON'T OFFICIALLY WANNA SAY THAT BECAUSE THEN IT'S MUCH MORE CHAOTIC DURING CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE TO BUILD FENCES TO PROTECT IT.
BUT THERE'S TWO HUGE TREES IN THE FRONT THAT WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO, TO KEEP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR, UH, ANY EXCAVATION OR, UH, ERO UH, UH, AREA OF WORK.
BUT WE OFFICIALLY ARE SAYING WE'RE GONNA CUT IT BECAUSE IT IS SO SIMPLE TO DO THAT.
AND TO SIMPLY SUBSTITUTE WITH NEW STOCK.
WE ARE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, 30, UH, HELP ME HERE, AARON.
30 SOMETHING TREES, UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
I KNEW THERE WAS A SIX THERE, UM, OF DIFFERENT SPECIES.
UM, WE HAVE LOADED MORE, MOST OF THE TREES TO THE REAR LEFT OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE TREES ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, UM, ALL THE, UM, ALL THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE HOUSES TO BE BUILT BY, BY THE WAY, THEY DON'T EX EXCEED.
UH, THERE'S A CHART THERE ON THE FIRST PAGE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE EXCEED 25, 2600 SQUARE FEET PER HOME.
UM, SO THAT'S DECIS OF THE, OF THE HOUSES.
THEY WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNED.
SO THEY WILL, THEY WILL CERTAINLY, UM, UM, UM, FEEL LIKE A, A BRAND NEW, BEAUTIFULLY DEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, UM, AND I THINK IF I WAS A NEIGHBOR, I WOULD, I WOULD DESIRE A QUICK TURNAROUND AND A QUICK, UH, CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE, UH, THAT AREA THERE HAS BEEN, UH, IT LOOKS KIND OF ABANDONED AND AND FORGOTTEN.
SO I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THE APPROVAL, WE WILL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, PROBABLY THE HOUSES IN THE BACK WILL BE SOLD FIRST.
WE'LL BE BUILT FIRST, UH, AND THEN WE'LL WORK OUR OUT OUR WAY OUT TO THE FRONT.
UH, BUT THAT'S YET TO BE DECIDED.
THERE'S ALREADY A HOUSE THAT THIS GROUP HAS BUILT, SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A RIDE OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT THAT HAPPENS TO BE A PREFABRICATED HOUSE.
AND IT WAS SOLD WITHIN TWO MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
SO THERE, THERE IS ALREADY A, A, A PATTERN OF WHAT, OF WHAT WE EXPECT, UH, FROM THIS SUCCESSFUL SUBDIVISION.
I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS, AARON? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IF WE COULD HAVE YOU TOUCH ON, UH, THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S AN EASEMENT, UM, EASEMENT THROUGH THAT OTHER PROPERTY THAT FRONTS ON IVY THAT COMES IN.
SO, OH, I'D LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT.
JUST, UM, YOU HAD MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SNOW STORAGE AREA AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU ALSO, UM, PUT A, AN ADDITIONAL NO PARKING SIGN AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE TERMINATION OF THE ROADWAY.
UM, WE AS TOWN STAFF CHECKED IN WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, REGARDING, UM, ACCESS TO THE SITE AND HOW THEY WOULD EXIT THE SITE ABSENT A CONVENTIONAL CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THE FIRE CHIEF DID INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD BACK OUT TO THE ROADWAY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU, I BELIEVE, HAD THOUGHT WOULD BE THE, THE CASE.
UH, AND INDICATED THAT ON THE RECORD AT THE WORK SESSION.
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WANTED TO SAY WITH RESPECT TO THE DRAINAGE, BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE, AND THERE WERE COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY AN APPLICANT THAT, OR BY A NEIGHBOR THAT WILL, UM, NOTE FOR THE RECORD, BUT THAT WITH RESPECT TO DRAINAGE, IS EVERYTHING ANTICIPATED TO PITCH TOWARDS SEACORE ROAD OR OFF TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR PROPERTY? CORRECT.THE, THE, WELL, EVERYTHING THAT, WE'LL, EVERY DROP OF WATER THAT WE GENERATE, WE PICK UP, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE GENERIC, GENERIC TOPOGRAPHICAL DOWN POINT, UH, OR LOW POINT IS CCO IS TOWARDS THE FRONT.
UM, BUT EVERY POINT OF CONCENTRATION OF WATER, WE HAVE AN INLET.
WE, WE WILL PICK UP THE ROOF ORDERS AND THE, AND THE LEADERS WILL FLOW DIRECTLY INTO THE CATCH BASINS THAT WILL FLOW DIRECTLY INTO THE STORMWATER DEVICES.
THE OVERFLOW FROM THE STORMWATER DEVICES WILL ALL BE CONNECTED IN A SINGLE PIPE TO THE STREET.
SO THERE IS NO, IF, IF AN EVENT OF GIGANTIC PROPORTIONS OCCURS, THE LOW POINTS WILL STILL RECEIVE THE WATER AND IF ANYTHING WILL BE A DIRECT CONVEYANCE TO THE TOWN.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXPANDING THE TOWN COLLECTION SYSTEM.
IN, IN ESSENCE, WE WILL STORE THE 25 YEAR STORM AS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, BUT THE OVERFLOW WILL LIKE UNUSUALLY IN OTHER PLACES, THE STORM OVERFLOW, JUST DRIB DRIBBLES ONTO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE NEIGHBORS.
IN THIS CASE, IT WILL ALL BE CONNECTED TO THE TOWN.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY GUARANTEE TO THE OWNERS THAT, UH, ANY EXCESS WATER THAT WE CREATE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE, BE GONE FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU MENTIONED.
THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, LOT WAS ALREADY PREPARED FOR SANITARY SEWER EVACUATION.
THE SEWER WAS ALREADY BROUGHT ONTO THE PROPERTY, BUT IN THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, AND THIS IS WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE PROCESS OF QUESTIONING THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, IS THAT IT WAS NEVER APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO WE HAD TO ASK TO BE APPROVED, UH, TO BE INCLUDED INTO THE SEWER DISTRICT.
SOMETHING QUITE BIZARRE BECAUSE THEY, YOU WOULD NEVER SIGN OFF ON A PROPERTY OF, TO BE SUBDIVIDED UNLESS YOU HAD, UH, ASSURANCES THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAD APPROVED THE INCLUSION OF THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION INTO THE SEWER DISTRICT.
BUT FOR SOME REASON, IN THE SEVENTIES, SOMETHING HAPPENED, THEY FORGOT.
SO IN DOING THAT, THAT'S WHEN ALL THESE QUESTIONS CAME UP BY THE, IN THE, BY THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND, UH, BASICALLY PUSHED US IN THE DIRECTION OF RECONSIDERATION OF GEOMETRIES AND SO ON.
AND IT'S GONNA COST US MORE MONEY, BUT IT IS A BETTER JOB.
AND, UH, OUR INCENTIVE WOULD BE TO EQUALIZE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS IN, IN, BECAUSE IN THE OTHER, IN THE OTHER SUBDIVISION, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE EQUAL SIZES.
SO THERE WERE BENEFITS, UH, ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, SO THAT EXISTING SEWER, UM, IS WHAT IT MEANS TO US AND TO THE NEIGHBORS, IS THAT WE WILL BE NOT NEEDING TO CONNECT AND DISTURB, UH, UH, THE MAIN SEWER CONNECTION TO THIS SUBDIVISION.
IT WILL ALL BE DONE INTERIOR INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH LATERALS AND HOUSE CONNECTIONS.
SO THE CONNECTION TO THE STREET IS ALREADY DONE.
THE WATER IS ALREADY DONE, UH, ON IVY PLACE.
SO THE, THE, THE TYPICAL ANNOYANCE, UH, OF, OF PUBLIC WORKS, EXCAVATION AND HOLES IN THE STREET FOR, FOR WEEKS ON END, UH, WILL NOT OCCUR HERE BECAUSE IT'S ALL ALREADY DONE.
IT'S ALL CONNECTED AND, AND APPROVED BY, BY OUR PUBLIC WORK SYSTEM.
SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS NOW CONNECTING TO THE PROPERLY SIZED, UH, SYSTEMS THAT ARE, ARE ON BOARD.
WE ARE EXTENDING THE WATER LINES AND WE'RE OF COURSE EXTENDING THE SEWER LINE.
UM, AND ALL OF THIS WILL BE APPROVED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT IT IS, UH, IT'S ALL INTERIOR.
IT'S ALL WORK, UH, INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER POINT THAT YOU MADE WAS THE, THE, UM, THE YES, THE, THE SNOW REMOVAL AREA.
WE DESIGNATED AN AREA WHERE THE SNOW CAN BE PILED OUT OF THE WAY, UH, OF, OF, OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE HOMES AND SO ON.
SO, AND IT'S IN THE REAR LEFT, UM, AS WELL AS THE, THE, THE GEOMETRY THAT WE HAVE CREATED INTO THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH DIDN'T EXIST IN THE PREVIOUS APPROVED SUBDIVISION.
IN CASE OF, UH, WIDE, UH, BIG EMERGENCY VEHICLES, WE HAVE TECHNICALLY WE HAVE THE GEOMETRY THAT ALLOWS US TO TURN THE BIG VEHICLES, BUT, UH, UM, AND WE HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE JUST TO BE ABLE TO, TO SQUEEZE IN THAT TYPE OF PAVEMENT.
BUT AS YOU SAID CORRECTLY, THE, UH, THE FIRE CHIEFS WILL NEVER, UM, UH, CREATE THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO WHERE THE, THE VEHICLE CAN GET STUCK TURNING NEAR THE FIRE.
THEY COME IN AND THEY COME OUT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SHORT CUL-DE-SAC.
IT'S, UH, MAYBE 200, A HUNDRED, WHAT IS IT? 150 FEET.
SO IT'S A VERY QUICK IN AND OUT FOR THEM.
THEY WOULD NEVER, UH, UH, EXERCISE THIS TURNING RADIUS BUSINESS, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR THAT GEOMETRY AND WE HAVE CREATED THE PAVEMENT ON THE GROUND, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW THAT TO, TO TAKE PLACE IF IT EVER CHOOSES TO, IF THE, IF THE FIRE CHIEF EVER CHOOSES TO, TO REQUIRE IT.
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IT.DID I COVER ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS, YEAH, MORE OR LESS.
AND THE, AND THE PARKING SIGNS TO GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL BE NO BLOCKAGE ON, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMES.
WALTER, UH, DO I UNDERSTAND YOU THEN, THAT YOU ARE LEGALLY PART OF THE SEWER SYSTEM NOW? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ON ZOOM WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE BOARD? NO, TOM, CORRECT? I CAN'T SEE IT'S CORRECT, SO I HAVE NO IDEA.
YEAH, I THINK WE DISCUSSED A LOT BEFORE.
SO I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, WE ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS.
NO ADDITIONAL, I DON'T HAVE ADDRESS.
UM, I DO WANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD, UM, A EMAIL THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, STEVE CORNELL, WHO EVIDENTLY IS A NEIGHBOR TO THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T HAVE HIS ADDRESS ON THE EMAIL.
HE LIVES ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT.
I, I LIVE AT LOT 8.170 DASH 1 0 3 DASH ONE.
IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS AND KNOWS THE ADDRESS, LET ME KNOW.
UH, NEARLY ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT, WHILE I HAVE MANY AESTHETIC CONCERNS ABOUT A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, AND YOU'RE SAYING NONE OF THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE MORE THAN ABOUT 2,500 SQUARE FEET, IT'S 20 2700.
IS THAT, IS THAT ONE STORY OR TWO? TWO STORY.
THE F THE F A R, HE'S REFERRING TO THE F A R, THE F A R BY SIZE AND AFTER, AFTER NET AREAS ARE COMPUTED AND ALL THAT, IT'S 2,700 SQUARE FEET.
HE SAYS IT'S NEARLY THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF THE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA.
I DOUBT THE OTHER HOMES ARE ONLY 1200 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, IT, WELL, I DISAGREE WITH HIM, BUT YOU KNOW, HE CAN SAY WHAT HE WANTS.
OKAY, LEMME SAY, LET ME, LET, LET, LET ME FINISH AND I'LL FINISH.
LET ME FINISH WITHOUT COMMENTARY.
HIS, UH, HIS COMMENTARY THAT WILL BASICALLY BE IN MY FACE IN QUOTES WHERE BEAUTIFUL OLD TREES NOW EXIST.
MY MAIN WORRY IS FAR MORE PRACTICAL AND CONSEQUENTIAL.
AS IT STANDS, I ALREADY HAVE WATER ISSUES AFTER HEAVY RAINS DUE TO RUNOFF.
THE PARCEL OF LAND TO BE BUILT ON BEHIND ME IS PRETTY MUCH A SOGGY BOG WITH POOR DRAINAGE.
WHILE I SEE THE PLANS INCLUDE SEVERAL UNDERGROUND WATER CONTAINMENT UNITS, I DO WORRY WHAT RECOURSE MY NEIGHBORS AND I WILL HAVE AFTER THESE HOMES ARE BUILT AND WE FIND OUR BACKYARDS ARE FLOODED, OR EVEN WORSE, OUR HOMES ARE FLOODED AFTER A HEAVY RAIN REPLACING WHAT IS NOW T TREE FILLED LOT WITH FIVE VERY LARGE HOMES WILL RESULT IN A HUGE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH NO PLACE TO, FOR THE WATER TO GO UNTIL I'M ASSURED THAT WILL NOT HAVE, UH, FLOOD ISSUES.
AND A PROPER ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEY IS DONE DEALING WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THE RESULTS SHARED WITH ME AND MY NEIGHBORS.
I TOTALLY OPPOSE ANY VARIANCES.
THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO CONTINUE.
DID YOU DO A, A PERCOLATION TEST ON THE PROPERTY? OF COURSE WE, WE DID.
AND WHAT DID THAT SHOW? IT? IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE TWENTIES AND THE TEENS.
IT, IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHERE THE HOLES ARE, BUT I WANTED TO SAY TO THAT
LIKE A, A VERY BAD PERK WOULD BE 40 MINUTES PER INCH.
UH, TEENS OR LOW TWENTIES IS NORMAL.
DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF CLAY.
BUT I, I ALWAYS WANNA SAY TO EVERYONE THAT, THAT HAS THAT FEAR.
IF ALL THOSE HOUSES THERE WOULD PROBABLY, I'LL TAKE YOU GUYS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES AND THE SIXTIES, NONE OF THEM HAVE STORM WATER DEVICES.
SO SOMETIMES, UH, THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ROOF LEADERS GOING UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE WATER IS NOT CONTROLLED IN ANY WAY.
UM, THERE IS NO STORM WATER DEVICES ON THEIR PROPERTIES TAKING THAT WATER AND INJECTING IT INTO THE GROUND.
UH, BY THE WAY, THAT WHOLE AREA IS ROCKY AND ROCK IS VERY PERMEABLE.
SO THE WHOLE, THE WATER JUST GETS LOST.
UH, WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE HOUSE AND IT RAINED, IT WAS JUST NEVER ANY WATER.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WATER AND OF COURSE THE FEAR IS THE MOST SALIENT CONVERSATION ALWAYS.
BUT AS I SAID, AND THIS IS WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID, AND I'LL REPEAT IT, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN IS TIED, THE OVERFLOWS ARE TIED INTO THE STORMWATER OF THE, OF THE TOWN.
SO ANY EXCESS OF WATER THAT, THAT, THAT MAY, THAT MAY BE COMFORTING OR MAY NOT BE DEPENDING ON HOW GOOD THE STORMWATER OF THE TOWN IS, BUT IT'S IN A STEEP SLOPE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S GOT A VERY, VERY HIGH.
BUT I MEAN, YOU GO, PLEASE DON'T.
IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, YOU NEED TO COME TO COME TO THE MIC.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AMELIA, THERE, BELIEVE
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ME, I DRIVE DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND A HEAVY RAINY DAY AND THE WATER'S COMING UP FROM THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM NOT GOING DOWN.SO THAT IN ITSELF ISN'T THERE.
BUT WHAT I THINK THAT MAY HELP IS YOUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS, IS TIED TO THE NEW 25 YEAR STANDARD, OR THE WELL, IT'S, WELL IT'S, WE ARE MEETING THE 25 YEAR, THE NEW MINIMUM STORAGE, THE NEW, THE NEW 25 YEAR STANDARD.
WE, WE HAVE, HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND UM, I, UH, WE, WE ARE GOING TO SHOW PROOF THAT WE ACTUALLY DESIGNED FOR SIX AND A HALF INCHES, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE 25 YEAR, UH, UM, INCHES IN 24 HOURS.
SO I'VE BEEN DESIGNING WITH THAT FOR YEARS.
ALL THE PROJECTS I'VE DONE FOR GREENBERG IS SIX AND A HALF INCHES WAS, UM, TECHNICALLY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO USE FIVE SOMETHING.
SO BY DEFINITION I'M ALWAYS BIGGER AND WE ARE INCREASING.
AND IF THE BOARD WANTS IT, WE CAN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PAVERS, THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAYS.
IF WE, IF WE ARE, UH, A LITTLE HESITANT, UH, UH, I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WOULDN'T MIND FEE FOR, FOR, FOR, UH, INSTALLING THE DRIVEWAYS WITH PAPERS, WITH PERMEABLE PERVIOUS, UH, PAPERS.
I MEAN, IT SHOULD HEAD COULDN'T HURT, YOU KNOW, IF IF IT, IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A THING, I, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WOULD HURT.
AESTHETICALLY, I, I WOULDN'T MIND AGREEING TO THAT.
AESTHETICALLY WE HAVE THEM OUT HERE.
SO, AND THE PLACES WHERE WE CAN DO THAT, WE PROBABLY SHOULD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WHAT USED TO BE 25 YEAR RAINSTORMS SEEM TO HAPPEN TWICE A YEAR NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM WHAT? AGREE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE? PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
OH, AND WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE COMING UP, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR MR. ESCALADES THAT I'D WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO ON YOUR PLAN, SINCE YOU HAVE THE PLANS HANDY WHILE LOT, THE HOMES FOR LOTS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR ARE SHOWN AS 26 2700.
THE HOME FOR LOT ONE DOES INDICATE 34 50.
SO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT THE, THAT'S A, THAT'S TYPE NEIGHBOR WAS REFERRING TO.
YEAH, THAT'S A TYPO THAT CAME OUT IN THE OTHER MEETING WITH THE, UH, YES.
THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME SIZE LOCK, SO MAKE SURE THAT GETS, GETS FIXED.
IS THE 26 50, IS THAT THE FOOTPRINT THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA? NO, THAT'S THE AREA OF THE FIRST FLOOR PLUS THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THE FOOTPRINT IS LIKE HALF THAT? CORRECT.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT INCLUDES THE GARAGE.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW TOWELS WHERE WE HAVE TO COUNT THE GARAGE AS A FINISHED FLOOR.
I THINK IT BIG GOOD, UH, CAN STAYED THERE, CORRECT.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, PUT IT ON THE PLAN, THE APPROVED PLAN.
SO WE ALL ARE AGREEING ON THIS, THE PAY TO, TO GET THE UPDATES ON THE YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND ALSO FIX THE TYPO IN THERE.
ALSO, IF YOU CAN DO EMELIA, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PER PERMEABLE PAPERS FOR THE OKAY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT IN IN THE FOOTPRINT OF LOT ONE IS CORRECTLY, THE NUMBER IS CORRECT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
IT'S MY HUSBAND STEVEN CORNELL WHO SENT YOU THE EMAIL.
SO WE ARE BEHIND THE PROPOSED, UM, SUBDIVISION.
AND OUR CONCERN IS THE WATER, THE TOWN DRAINS HAVE NOT BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE WATER NOW.
AND UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE ARCHITECT SAID THAT THE EXCESS WATER WILL GO INTO THE TOWN DRAINS, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY WORKING SO WELL NOW THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.
LET ME EXPLAIN, LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT HE SAID.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU IMPROVE PROPERTY, LIKE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO APPROVE IT, THE TOWN REQUIRES THAT THE RUNOFF FROM THAT PROPERTY IS THE SAME OR LESS THAN THE PREBUILT SITUATION.
SO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT HE'S ENGINEERED IS EXACTLY THAT.
AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN, BEEN APPROVED BY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT IN FACT THERE'LL BE LESS RUNOFF AFTER, AFTER BILL, DESPITE ALL THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THE CALL TAX AND EVERYTHING THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE CASE OF, OF A DISASTER.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT'S WHAT IT'LL RUN DOWN THE STREET IN, INTO THERE ONLY IN A DISASTER SITUATION.
NOT IF ANYTHING THAT ONLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD EXCEED WAS ABOUT THE, THE STANDARD FOR 25 YEARS, THE NEW STANDARD, UH, FOR 25 YEARS OF STORM.
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SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU SAY IT IS ACCESS INTO THAT.I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTED BY THAT EITHER, BUT I, WHICH YOU CAN BE COMFORTED BY IS THE RUNOFF FROM THERE IS LESS THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN WE'VE HAD, INSURANCE DOESN'T COVER THIS KIND OF DAMAGE IF IT COMES INTO THE HOUSE CURRENTLY, OUR, OUR, OUR DOWNSPOUT AND DRIVEWAY HAVE A DRAIN INTO THAT FEED.
THE TOWN STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, WHEN THERE'S A REALLY HEAVY RAIN, IT DOESN'T KEEP UP.
THE WATER BACKS UP IN OUR DRIVEWAY AS IT IS.
AND WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD SOME FLOODING BECAUSE OF IT.
IS, IS SO I'M CONCERNED THAT PUBLIC WORKS WITH IT, IS THAT THIS WILL JUST EXACERBATE THE SITUATION.
AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS IF RIGHT NOW, I MEAN HONESTLY MY BACKYARD AFTER A RAIN, A HEAVY RAIN, IT'S MARSHY, IT'S LIKE ALL FLOODED, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WITH NOTHING BEHIND US.
NOW WITH SOME TREES, IT'S EMPTY.
I'M SUPPOSED TO THINK THAT HE'S GONNA PUT FOUR LARGE HOUSES UP ON THAT SAME PROPERTY AFTER IT RAINS.
I'M GONNA HAVE LESS WATER THAN I HAVE NOW WITHOUT ALL THAT EARTH THERE TO ABSORB IT.
LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING.
NO MATTER WHAT HE PUTS IN, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT COMPENSATING.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU DOWNHILL FROM, FROM THIS UM, PROPOSAL? I'M BEHIND IT.
IS IT, ARE YOU DOWNHILL, DOWNHILL, DOWNHILL FROM IT OR UPHILL FROM IT? THERE'S A SLOPE.
IT, I, I CAN'T TELL THE SLOPE.
I THINK IT'S HARD TO TELL IF CCO IS HIGHER OR LOWER THAN WE ARE.
WHAT I, LEMME SEE IF I CAN DESCRIBE SOMETHING AHEAD.
AND IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
SO, SO THE WAY, THE WAY THIS SYSTEM IS GONNA WORK, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED CULT TECHS.
THEY'RE BIG OPEN PLASTIC BOXES BURIED UNDER THE GROUND AND THE WATER FROM ALL THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, THE ROOF, THE DRIVEWAY GOES INTO THESE CULT TECHS AND IT'S STORED, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE TOWN STORM DRAIN, IT'S STORED.
LET'S GO BACK, LET'S TAKE THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.
OKAY? A 25 YEAR STORM IS SIX INCHES OF RAIN IN ABOUT A DAY, 24 HOURS.
NOW I KNOW THIS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
AFTER THE FIRST TWO INCHES OF RAIN, THE GROUND IS SATURATED, THE NEXT FOUR INCHES JUST FLOWS RIGHT DOWN AS IF IT'S FLOWING DOWN CONCRETE.
'CAUSE IT'S GOT NOWHERE TO GO.
SO IF THERE'S A 20 YEAR STORM AND NO HOUSES, THE FIRST TWO INCHES WILL ABSORB INTO THE GROUND THE OTHER FOUR INCHES.
GOD FORBID YOUR DOWNHILL IS GONNA FALL RIGHT ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
THIS IS A BETTER SYSTEM BECAUSE UNDER THIS SYSTEM, THE FIRST TWO INCHES WILL BE COLLECTED AND PUT INTO THESE CALEX AND THE NEXT FOUR INCHES WILL BE COLLECTED AND PULLED, PUT INTO THE CALEX.
SO THIS SYSTEM ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE DRAINAGE OVER THE UNIMPROVED PROPERTY AND WOULD HELP YOUR SITUATION IF IT'S PROPERLY ENGINEERED.
NOW WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, HE'S GONNA SIGN OFF ON IT.
THE TOWN HAS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, THEY'RE GONNA DOUBLE CHECK ALL THE CALCULATIONS, MAKE SURE IT MEETS CODE, MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SET FORTH.
SO I MEAN, HAS THE ENGINEER WALKED AROUND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THIS TO SEE WHAT WE'RE FACING? HAVE THEY SEEN IT? HE'LL, HE'LL RESPOND TO THAT AFTER YOU'RE DONE.
THE ONE OTHER THING, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE TOWN ENGINEER WAS GONNA SIGN OFF ON IT.
I'M WONDERING IF THE TOWN HAD CHECKED IT OUT.
BUT SOMEONE FROM THE, I I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE TOWN ENGINEER.
I, I I, THE TOWN ENGINEER CHECKS THE DEFINITELY MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS.
DEFINITELY CHECK FOR CALCULATIONS.
AND THE ONE THING, MICHAEL, THAT WAS A WONDERFUL DESCRIPTION BY THE WAY.
THE ONE THING HE DIDN'T TELL YOU IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER AFTERWARDS.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IT GOES OUT SLOWLY, IT'S METED OUT SLOWLY.
SO WHEN THE RAIN STOPS, IT BEGINS TO GO BACK OUT INTO THE SOIL VERSUS GOING SO IT DOESN'T SIT THERE AND THEY GET DUMPED INTO, DUMPED INTO A SEWER SOMEWHERE.
IT JUST DISSIPATES ON ON A SLOWLY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S MEANT TO DO.
CATCH IT AND MAKE IT DISSIPATE.
AND THE, AND WHAT, UH, MR. ESTOS WAS TELLING YOU IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW.
CAN WE HAVE ENGINEERS, ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF ENGINEERS IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
THEY CAN TELL YOU WHEN THE, WHEN CALTECH STARTED.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN OUR CODE FOR A LONG TIME NOW.
SO THAT OUR, THEIR JOB, THEIR RESPONSIBLE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THEY DON'T EXACERBATE AN EXISTING CONDITION.
THEIR JOB IS NOT TO SOLVE AN EXISTING CONDITION, ALTHOUGH THIS MIGHT HELP IF INDEED YOU'RE GETTING SOME RUNOFF FROM THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT EXACERBATING WHAT IS PRE WHAT IS PREEXISTING.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEER, OUR ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON.
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WITH, WITH THE TOWN SEWER, IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD GO, GO TO UH, TO, I'VE SENT THE TWO MALES IN ABOUT THAT, ABOUT IT NOT KEEPING UP.AND AT ONE POINT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID FOR ME, THEY, THEY PUT A LIP IN THE CURB TO MY DR IN THE CURB BY MY DRIVEWAY TO KEEP SOME OF THE WATER FROM COMING IN.
I HAVE THE SAME THING AT MY HOUSE, BUT SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T KEEP UP.
YOU MENTIONED YOUR LEADERS GO OUT TO THE TOWN SYSTEM.
IS THAT A LONG DRAIN IN THE DRIVEWAY? DOES DOES THAT, IS THAT ALONG NORTHWAY? YEAH.
SO I CAN SPEAK TO OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE NORTHWAY SYSTEM IS CONNECTED TO THE CCO SYSTEM WHERE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO AS WELL.
EAST WAY ALSO HAS THE PROBLEM.
THE WATER FLOWS DOWN EAST WAY FROM SEACO DOWN NORTH WAY.
IT'S LIKE A RIVER ON HEAVY RAIN DAYS.
THE ENTIRE NORTH WAY IS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE A RIVER.
LIKE YOU CAN'T EVEN, AND YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
OH THE IT IS GOT, IT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
MEAN THERE ARE PARTS OF TOWN LIKE WHERE I LIVE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE STORM DRAINS.
OUR STORM DRAIN GOES, IT'S A LITTLE DRAIN THAT GOES UNDER MY DRIVEWAY AND THEN GOES DOWN THE HILL NEXT TO MY HOUSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STORM DRAIN ON MY STREET.
AND BY THE WAY, THEY PUT THE SAME LITTLE BERM IN BEHIND MY DRIVEWAY 'CAUSE IT WAS ROLLING INTO MY GARAGE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, THAT'S A CONCERN.
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU.
WELL I WAS CONCERNED THAT THERE'D BE MORE WATER POTENTIALLY GOING DOWN CCO DOWN.
IT WON'T, IT WON'T BE UNDERSTOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS? NO, I MEAN IS THERE A WAY WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THAT THEY COULD DO A LITTLE EXTRA AND KIND OF PUT US INTO THESE KIND OF BIG CATCH BASINS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE TAKING AWAY THE, THE SOIL AND IT'S CLAY SOIL ALSO, SO IT DOESN'T ABSORB AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THE MAKEUP OF THE SOIL BY US IS A LOT OF CLAY.
SO I WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, LOT OF PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY HAVE YOUR PROBLEM, IF THEY HAVE IT IN THE HOUSE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL PUT FRENCH DRAINS AROUND THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT I, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAVE DONE THAT AS, AS AN ANSWER.
AND THEN SOME, SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE A SUN PUMP TOO.
BUT EVEN THE FRENCH DRAINS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE CAN BE A HELP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TALK TO SOMEBODY LIKE MIS TALK TO AN ENGINEER.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION LIKE AT THE END OF, END OF YOUR DRIVEWAY TO PUT A FRENCH DRAIN IN, FOR EXAMPLE, OR A CULTECH IN AT THE END OF YOUR DRIVEWAY.
YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M, I'M CONCERNED MORE RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE BACKYARD SITUATION.
I JUST MENTIONED THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I'M THE DR WE KNOW THAT THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM'S NOT KEEPING UP.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE BACKYARD, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE ENGINEERS ARE SIGNING OFF, BUT THIS WILL NOT CAUSE IT TO BE WORSE THAN IT IS IF INDEED IT'S RUNNING DOWN TO YOUR PROPERTY.
IT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR RECOURSE AFTER THIS GOES IN AND IT GETS WORSE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE CONCERN.
THAT'S OUR MA THAT'S ALL OF OUR CONCERNS.
LAST THING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO THESE FOLKS IS THAT IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND IS ULTIMATELY BUILT BEFORE THE APPLICANTS CAN PULL BUILDING PERMITS TO CONSTRUCT, THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN THE FINAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMITS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY AND FOR THE ROAD FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THOSE PERMITS AND THE CALCULATIONS AND THE PLANS PROVIDED IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO YOUR REVIEW.
OR IF YOU HAD A PROFESSIONAL THAT WANTED TO LOOK AT THEM TO VERIFY THE ACCURACY THAT THAT'S CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
WHEN WILL THAT HAPPEN? WELL, IF AND ONLY IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED APPROVAL.
SO I CAN GIVE YOU, WE CAN COMMUNICATE BY EMAIL AND I CAN GIVE YOU MY INFORMATION.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE LETTER AS WELL.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? HELLO, MY NAME IS CAROL GILLINGHAM AND I LIVE AT FOUR NORTHWAY AND WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND I AM ALSO HERE BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER.
UM, TREES ARE BEING ELIMINATED.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE PLANTING MORE TREES, UM, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A WOODS.
SO, UM, OUR BACKYARD DOES FLOOD AND UH, WE HAVE HAD WATER IN THE FRONT IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT DOES GET IN THE GARAGE OCCASIONALLY.
UM, SO I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED OUR QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE? I JUST HOPE IT'S ENOUGH.
I MEAN, UH, THERE'S, THERE ARE BIG HOUSES THERE.
YES, THERE'LL BE NEW TREES, BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR HELP WITH THIS.
THEY'RE NOT DEPENDING ON THE TREES TO I KNOW, I KNOW.
THE NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT THE WATER, IT'S THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
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OUR SYSTEM IS NOT PART OF THIS NEW SYSTEM.NO, IT'S NOT THESE, SO IT'S NOT THESE, THESE DON'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING.
OH, THEY'RE THEY'S STATIC, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY IMAGINE A BASIN WITH HOLES IN IT.
IT HOLDS IT AND THEN JUST LIFTS IT OUT SLOWLY BACK INTO THE GROUND WHEN, WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING, THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.
'CAUSE I, OUR BACKYARD CAN, IT'S VERY WET AT NOW.
SO THAT WAS OUR, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND THE SAME INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO YOU AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? PUBLIC? ANYBODY ON ZOOM ON THIS OR NO? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
IF THERE'S ANYONE ON THE ZOOM CALL THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I I, BEFORE WE TAKE THAT VOTE, I, THERE ARE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP.
UM, IF I MAY, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH MR. ESCALADES, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT, UM, WE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT SEACOR ROAD WAS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY SIDEWALK NETWORK IN THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH FRONTAGE WITH YOUR SITE ALONG CCO, AND THE BOARD HAS NOT ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER PUTTING A SIDEWALK ALONG THE NEW ROADWAY.
BUT ONE THING THAT, UH, AND THE TOWN HAS NOT YET SURVEYED AND DONE THE NECESSARY WORK TO IDENTIFY WHICH SIDE OF SEACO ROAD WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING THE SIDEWALK.
WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
BUT, UM, IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTING YOUR OWN SIDEWALK, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WOULD THERE BE ANY WILLINGNESS BY THE APPLICANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO FUTURE, UM, SIDEWALK EITHER STUDYING, SURVEYING, OR CONSTRUCTION THAT THE TOWN HOPES TO SEEK TO UNDERTAKE IN A FUTURE? UM, I, BEFORE YOU ANSWER, I CAN ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE BY SAYING I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ON YOUR END OR REMIND YOU REALLY THAT YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE RECREATION FEE WOULD BE TAKEN ON THESE LOTS, BEING THAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED LOTS.
AND I CAN SPEAK WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ABOUT THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION YOUR CLIENT HAD, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE VOLUNTARILY CONTRIBUTE AND THEN ALSO HAVE TO MAKE THE RECREATION FEE? DID THEY PAY IT THE FIRST TIME OR NOT? THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN LOOK INTO.
WE HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THEY PAID IT THE FIRST TIME.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WENT INTO EFFECT OR IF THEY DID ON THE FRONT END, BUT THEY ARE PRE-APPROVED.
WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE A CH CHANCE TO GET AN, AN, AN ACCEPTANCE FROM MY CLIENT.
UM, SO I I I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT I CERTAINLY YOU DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
YOU DON'T NEED AN ANSWER BEFORE MAKE A DECISION.
IT IT, IT WOULD, FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD MAKE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE.
IT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE WILL BE MOVING.
THIS IS WHERE THE PEOPLE COME FROM.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE, I, I PROFESSIONALLY, I'M, I'M DAMNED IF I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY TERM MY CLIENT WILL SAY, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY A, A, A SIDEWALK ON MY SIDE WOULD BE THE PLACE, THE PLACE TO HAVE IT.
THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE, THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IS WARRANTED.
THE OTHER SIDE IS MORE LIKE A WILD CEMETERY SIDE.
YOU NOBODY WALKS ON THAT SIDE EXCEPT THE DEAD PEOPLE.
I WOULD LOOK, I'M, I'M GONNA STICK MY NECK OUT.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK, UH, THAT WE SHOULD DO THE SIDEWALK.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THE SIDEWALK AND WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY, UH, THE PARK AND RECREATION FEES, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THOSE LOTS.
WELL, WE'LL GET A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL WORK THAT WAY.
IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO USS FOR YOU.
WOULD THE SIDEWALK FIT ON THE LOT? THE, THE, THE, THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY THERE, I BELIEVE IS WIDE ENOUGH.
SO THAT CAVEAT OF COURSE, HAS TO BE, HAS TO BE STATED.
BUT, UM, UM, I, I THINK THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF ROOM OKAY.
WELL,
UM, AND MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA DECIDE IN THE FUTURE.
IT SHOULD BE ON THE WILD SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO MAYBE THE THING TO DO IS TO AGREE TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK IF AND WHEN THE TOWN SAYS, YEAH, WE WANT IT, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR SIDE.
RATHER THAN PUTTING IT IN AND THEN FINDING THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LITTLE PIECE OF SIDEWALK AND THEN THE MAIN ONE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
WE'RE, AS I MENTIONED, THAT MAY BE AN OPTION OR A CONTRIBUTION.
GUYS, UM, GUYS, I THINK WE'RE BEATING A DEAD HORSE HERE AND WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE WAITING.
WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE A MOTION TO KEEP THE
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RECORD OPEN UNTIL FEBRUARY 15TH.AND WE'LL, WITH A GOAL OF HAVING A DECISION, MAKING A DECISION ON THIS ON THE 1ST OF MARCH, OUR FIRST MEETING OF MARCH.
MICHAEL MOTORS ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE REVISED PLANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP ON THE AREA OF THE HOUSE AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS BE SUBMITTED BY THE 15TH.
ONE OF THINGS, AMELIA, ONE OTHER COMMENT, GIVEN WHAT I HEARD FROM OUR FRIENDS THAT SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT, WOULD YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING ON THE BACK LINE OF THE LOT THAT'S CLOSE TO THEM TO SEE WHAT WE YOU COULD DO ABOUT SCREENING? IN FACT, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO THEM.
IN FACT, YOU DO WANT TO TALK TO 'EM.
NO, THEY'RE VERY SWEET PEOPLE.
WE, WE, WE, WE APPRECIATE WHAT, WHEN APPLICANTS TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, AND SO IT WORKS OUT WELL.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING YOU COULD PUT BACK THERE COULD HELP THEM TOO, WOULD BE AESTHETICALLY NICE.
IS A RAIN GARDEN BACK THERE COULD LOOK GREAT.
WELL, I WANT TO KEEP THE WATER.
A LOT OF THE ISSUES, OF COURSE, IS THAT THEIR WATER IS NOT MANAGED.
SO IT, NOW I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MANAGING THE WATER, BUT, BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL GET THE SCREEN BACK THERE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING AND GO BACK IN THE WORK SESSION? SO, WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MORE SECONDS.
WE'LL BE BACK IN OUR WORK SESSION IN ABOUT TWO OR THREE MINUTES.
MR. NEWCO AND MR. HANNEY ARE ON THE ZOO.
UM, BEFORE WE START, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE MAY ANNOUNCE THE CASE, THEN WE'LL DISCUSS YOUR ISSUE, OKAY.
UM, CASE PB 1803, NEWCO 16 ROCK HILL LANE, UH, PO SCARSDALE, WHICH FOR A STEEP SLOPE AMENDMENT, UH, REGARDING A, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RETAINING WALL.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINALLY IN THE PLANTS INTERLOCKING BLOCKS.
IT ENDED UP AFTER EXCAVATION TO BE, UM, USING NATURAL ROCK.
SO, UH, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT.
UH, MO HAS A CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SHE SHOULD SIT ON THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN, MONA, PLEASE JUST TURN ON YOUR MICS, EVERYBODY.
UM, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS CASE THIS EVENING.
I HAVE PERSONAL BUSINESS WITH MR. NEWCO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOT OPINE ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE IF, AND NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY, AND NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION OR DECISIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. I'LL PROCEED TO THE CODE OF SILENCE.
IF YOU NEED TO, YOU CAN SIT ACTUALLY PROBABLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WE'VE REFUSED YOURSELF TO SIT IN THE AUDIENCE.
CAN I SIT HERE OR SHOULD I SIT OUTSIDE? NO, NO.
SO WE HAVE, UH, MR. NEWCO, AND WE HAVE MR. HANNEY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT, AND WE CAN TURN THE PROJECT OVER TO YOU.
THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION IS AVAILABLE.
ONE SECOND WHILE I PULL THIS UP AND, UH, JUST SPEAK UP.
WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A LIGHTER AUDIO IN, IN THE ROOM HERE, MUFFLED A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HEAR TONIGHT.
CAN EVERYONE SEE MY SCREEN? YES.
YOU SHOULD BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE WERE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, AND I'M UP TO A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL PROJECT.
WHY ISN'T THE SPEAKER SUMMARY WHERE WE CAME TO TODAY AND WHY WE'RE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT'S LIKE THE LAST TIME THIS PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF YOU.
IN JUNE, WE OBTAINED AN APPROVAL FOR A STEEP SLOPE, EXCUSE ME.
UM, IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY AND FIX THE AUDIO.
VERY HARD HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE AUDIO HERE ON OUR END.
MAYBE SHOULD I THE LIGHT'S HARD.
ANYONE TO SEE THAT DO OVER HERE?
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IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAD LAST, THE LAST MINUTE.MR. HANNEY, IF YOU CAN JUST TURN UP YOUR VOLUME.
UM, WE THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY.
THERE COULD BE FEEDBACK IF WE TURN IT UP IN THE AUDITORIUM, THE SPEAKERS
IS THIS ANY BETTER? THAT'S BETTER, YES.
I'M THOMAS CO WITH HUDSON ENGINEER.
UM, WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU IN JUNE OF 2018.
WE RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR A STEEP SLOPE PLAN.
UM, THE PLAN THAT IS CURRENTLY DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN, UM, WITH THE APPROVAL WE INCLUDED A SIX FOOT TALL READY ROCK WALL, UM, ALONG THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET OFF THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
UM, DURING PREPARATION OF THE SITE FOR CONSTRUCTION, UM, THEY REQUIRED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF BLASTED.
AND THE REASON WAS, UM, A EXTENSIVE STOCKPILING KNOCK ON SITE.
UM, THE CONTRACTOR AND OWNER DECIDED AGAINST REMOVING THE ROCK SITE AND HAVING IT DISPOSED OF OFFSITE AND IMPORTING THE INTERLOCKING BLOCK WALL.
UM, INSTEAD THEY USED THE STONE THAT WAS OBTAINED DURING EXCAVATION TO CONSTRUCT A STABILIZED SLOPE ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY, THEY INSTALLED THE WALL AND WHEN THEY WERE APPLYING FOR THEIR C O TRYING TO CLOSE OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT NOTICED THE DISCREPANCY, UH, IN THE, UM, THE WALL AND THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE AND KICKED IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO OBTAIN A AMENDED STEEP SLOPE, UM, PERMIT.
DURING THE COORDINATION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THE CLIENT, OUR CLIENT WENT OUT AND CAME FROM TWO GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERS, UM, REPORTS ABOUT THE STABILITY OF THE WALL, UH, STATING THAT BOTH OF THEM STATED THAT IT WAS SAFE.
UM, I BELIEVE THOSE REPORTS WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, SO NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL CHANGE PAGES AND GO OVER THE, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
PHOTOGRAPHS, I ASKED HIM TO BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THOSE.
SO THE DIAGRAM IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, HAS THE ORIGINAL LIMITED DISTURBANCE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL LIMITED DISTURBANCE.
THE RESULT WAS 63 ADDITIONAL D IN THE 23 TO 35, UM, PERCENT RANGE, AND TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE FEET IN THE 35 TO VERTICAL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BOTTOM OF THE FOLDER STABILIZED SLOPE IS APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, REPORT SUBMITTED, THERE WERE ALSO TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS AT 25 THOMAS STREET, WHICH IS THE
AND THERE IT WOULD ALSO BE VISIBLE FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
AND JUST TO GO OVER THE, UM, EXISTING AND PROPOSED, UH, EXISTING AND INSTALLED.
UM, THIS IS WHAT THE SITE LOOKED LIKE BEFOREHAND.
THIS AREA IN HERE, UM, WHERE THE CURSOR IS, IS THE AREA OF THE BEND STEEP SLOPES.
MOSTLY IT WAS UNDERBRUSH THAT WAS OVERGROWN.
AND FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE.
AS YOU CAN TELL, MOST OF THE TREES ALONG THE BOTTOM ALL REMAINED IN PLACE.
UM, THE WALL IS SCREENED FROM BELOW AND MY, MYSELF AND THE OWNER HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, THIS HAS BEEN THAT ONE ON THE CORNER.
SO I, I DID JUST WANNA MENTION FOR THE BOARD, JUST IN CASE, 'CAUSE
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IT, IT WAS A LITTLE MUFFLED, BUT, UM, THE TWO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT RUN, UH, ADJACENT TO THE WALL, WHICH EXTENDS BASICALLY ALONG THE ENTIRE SIDE, LENGTHY PROPERTY LINE, BOTH SUBMITTED LETTERS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE ALTERATIONS MADE.SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR PREP MEETING, AND I'M GLAD THAT MR. HANNEY BROUGHT THAT UP.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT, UH, THE HOUSE THAT WE SAW IN THE AERIAL PHOTOS, WAS THAT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT SUBMITTED AN AFFIDAVIT OR A LETTER? YES.
NO, ABOUT THE PROMPT BEFORE WAS DEVELOPED.
UM, SO THE PICTURE FROM MAY, 2018 IS BEFORE THE CYCLE.
THE NEIGHBOR HOUSE, THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN THAT YEAH, IN THAT PHOTO.
THE SECOND PHOTO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE 25 THOMAS.
AND YOU ASKED THAT THEY, DID THEY SUBMIT A LETTER? YES, CORRECT.
MY QUESTION WAS, I BELIEVE YOU STATED EARLIER THAT THE ORIGINAL ROCK WALL WAS GOING TO BE AROUND SIX OR SEVEN FEET HIGH.
UM, IN, IN THE MATERIALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO US, IT SAID THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE CURRENT WALL IS FROM ONE FEET TO 17 FEET, WHICH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
NOW, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT HAPPENING ON THIS WALL? OKAY, SO THE, THE ORIGINAL WALL, MORE OR LESS HAD A VERTICAL BASE, UM, AS A MOST INTERLOCKING WALLS.
UH, WELL, THIS IS MORE OF A, A STABILIZED SLOPE THAT USES BOULDERS.
SO THE PITCH OF THE BASE OF THE WALL IS NOT VERTICAL.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT PITCH STABILIZED, THAT IS WHERE THE, UM, AS YOU, UH, WIDER, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE BASE OF THE WALL, THE FURTHER DOWN THE SLOPE, IT ENDED UP FLYING.
SO IS THAT A 17 FOOT VERTICAL HEIGHT? BUT IT'S GOT A BIG SLOPE TO IT.
SO, SO THE SLOPE, IT, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WAS THERE, BUT IT IS, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE TOM, UH, THAT TOM FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I, BUT MAYBE HE DIDN'T AND, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
WHAT YOU SAID WAS, BECAUSE THE ROCK WALL IS AT AN ANGLE, YOU HAD TO COME MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE SLOPE.
SO THE END, THE BEGINNING OF THE WALL IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE FOR MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE SLOPE THAN THE VERTICAL WALL WOULD HAVE BEEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S WHAT CHANGES THE HEIGHT? CORRECT.
THE, THE, THE TOP OF THE WALL DID NOT CHANGE, UM, THE, IT WASN'T DONE TO CREATE MORE BACKYARD.
UM, MORE OR LESS THE, THE BACKYARD REMAINED AS SHOWN ON OUR ORIGINAL PLANS, UM, BECAUSE THE WALL WAS BOLDED AND IT'S MORE OF A STABILIZED SLOPE THAN A VERTICAL FACED WALL.
UM, THAT IS WHAT HAD TO EXTEND FURTHER, UM, INTO THE STEEP SLOPES AND, UM, TOWARDS THE PROPERTY LINE.
OKAY, WALTER, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE.
COR, WE'LL GET TO YOU WALTER FIRST MICHAEL, THEN YOU, WALTER, GO AHEAD.
THE SLOPE IS MORE NATURAL BECAUSE INSTEAD OF AN ARTIFICIAL WALL, YOU HAVE BOULDERS AND YOU HAVE DIRT OVER THAT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE MORE A NATURAL SLOPE THAN A WALL.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO HAVE A MORE OF A NATURAL SLOPE.
AND THE FACT THAT THE, UH, THAT, UH, UH, A, UH, ENGINEER LOOKED AT THAT AND TOOK MEASUREMENTS AS TO THE STABILITY OF THAT SLOPE, AND IT'S, AND K AND ENGINEERING WISE, IT IS A VERY STABLE SLOPE AND IT LOOKS MUCH MORE NATURAL THAN A WALL.
SO I THINK THIS IS OF IMPROVEMENT.
IT, IT, IT IS A NATURAL LOOK, I WOULD SAY, OR ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, THE, THE ENGINEERED SIX TO SEVEN FOOT WALL, THE FACE OF THAT WALL WAS GONNA FACE IN TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, NOT OUT TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR.
THE HIGH SIDE OF THE WALL WAS ON 16 ROCK HILL.
SO, SO THE DOWNHILL NEIGHBORS WOULD'VE SEEN THE FACE OF THAT.
THEY'D BE LOOKING AT THE WALL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO.
MICHAEL, YOU HAD A COMMENT? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I WENT OVER TO ROCK HILL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS TOTALLY NATURAL.
I, I THINK, I THINK, I MEAN, THE ONLY QUESTION IN MY MIND
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IS HOW THE NEIGHBORS FEEL ABOUT IT.NOW WE KNOW HOW THE NEIGHBORS FEEL ABOUT IT, RIGHT? THEY LIKE THE WALL.
I MEAN, WE SHOULDN'T REALLY BE DIS, YOU KNOW, GI GIVEN AND IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND.
SO GIVEN ALL THOSE FACTS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT DOWN AND REBUILD WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
THIS IS A BETTER PLAN, THE BETTER USE OF THE MATERIALS, PROBABLY MORE PLEASANT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
ALTHOUGH I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD JUST MOVE ON ON THIS.
THE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT I COULDN'T, I, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF THEY DID IT WHEN THEY STARTED AND NOT AFTER THE FACT.
THAT'S, I'M SURE THEY THINK THAT WAY TOO.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME.
UM, MY QUESTION IS THAT, UH, IF IT'S NATURAL SLOPE, WHAT DEGREE IT IS, IT'S A ONE, ONE TO 30 OR A 30 DEGREES SLOPE OR I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED IN THERE.
UM, IN ASSESSMENT, LOOKS LIKE.
SO YOU CAN REPORT BACK ON THAT? I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, YES.
BUT WHAT, LET'S LET, IF, IF I ALSO ASK YOU FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS YOU SAY IT WAS SEVEN FOOT WALL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
AND SO IT WAS A VERTICAL, OR IT WAS A ALSO IT WAS A VERTICAL BLOCK WALL, REMEMBER? CORRECT.
IT WAS, IT WAS JUST A, UH, AN INTERLOCKING WALL.
I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT VERTICAL I'M ASKING THAT SAME THING.
SO, SO WALL WOULD'VE HAD A VERTICAL BASE AND WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY SIX TO SEVEN FEET TALL.
SO THE, SO SIX TO SEVEN FEET WALL HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A NATURAL, UH, SORT OF A STONE OR A WALL.
SO IF, OKAY, SO IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THE TWO TO ALL TO, TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED OR WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
WHAT, WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS A WALL.
UM, IT RANGED IN HEIGHT TO A MAXIMUM OF ABOUT SIX, SIX AND A HALF FEET.
IT WAS AN INTERLOCKING BLOCK WALL, AND IT WAS REPLACED WITH A BOULDER SLOPE THAT MORE OR LESS FOLLOWED.
THE RECORDING STOPPED, OH, I'M SORRY.
RECORDING IN PROGRESS, IT, IT MORE OR LESS FOLLOWS THE EXISTING GRADE.
UM, HOWEVER THE BOULDERS WERE USED TO STABILIZE THE SLOPE.
UM, IT APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET, 17 FEET TALL AND MOVED APPROXIMATELY.
THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL MOVED ABOUT 20 FEET CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
WELL, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THE DRAWINGS, THAT WOULD BE, CLARIFI WOULD CLARIFY WHAT WAS THERE 17 FEET.
BUT IT WAS ONLY SEVEN FOOT WALL.
SO AS WE MOVED TO, TO INSTALL THAT WALL, AS WE HAD TO MOVE FARTHER DOWN THE PROPERTY, WE HAD TO CATCH GRADE AS WELL.
SO BECAUSE THAT PACE IS NO LONGER VERTICAL AND MORE OR LESS FOLLOWING OF THE, UM, EXISTING, THE BOTTOM WALL HAD TO GET WIDER.
AND THAT WOULD CAUSED THE, THE ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE OVER THE VERTICAL WALL.
JUST I COULD PROVIDE IT REALLY ISN'T 17 FEET HIGH.
IT'S JUST, AND WE'VE ANSWERED THIS TWICE NOW AND I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
IT, IT IS JUST FURTHER DOWN THIS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN 'CAUSE WE HAD IT THE OTHER DAY IN THE WORK SESSION 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER.
NOW WE DO, IT'S JUST FURTHER DOWN THE SLOPE THAN THE VERTICAL WALL WOULD HAVE BEEN.
SO IT STARTS LOWER ON THE SLOPE AND OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AND AT THE TOP IT'S STILL SIX TO SEVEN FEET.
BUT IT'S JUST, IT STARTS LOWER.
THAT'S WHY IT'S 17 FEET IN TOTAL.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, BOB, MY QUESTION IS THAT PROVIDE A SAFE PROFILE OF THAT WALL, WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
NICK, COULD YOU DO THAT, THOMAS? THAT WOULD, THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO DO, RIGHT? JUST SHOW, SHOW, SHOW THE SLOPE AND SHOW, SHOW THE TWO WALLS SIDE BY SIDE, WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THAT THE NEXT TIME WE COME TOGETHER, THAT'S ALL.
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A, A CROSS SECTION WOULD BE HELPFUL.NOT A FRONT CROSS SECTION AND ELEVATION, I THINK ELEVATION OF YEAH, I, I I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT THAT.
IT, IT WILL HELP, HELP VISUALIZE WHAT THEY DID.
NO, I, I THINK AMANDA, SO MY ONLY, UM, QUESTION REALLY IS JUST TO PUT IT ON PUBLIC, IS, UM, IS, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMOUNT OF LAND DISTURBANCE WITH THE SLOPED WALL OVER A LARGER, UH, LAND AREA VERSUS HAVING A STEEPER WALL, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WITH MORE OF A, A GRASS AREA FROM A DRAINAGE POINT OF VIEW OR ANYTHING ELSE? RIGHT.
SO THERE IS, THERE ISN'T MORE OF A GRASS AREA.
UM, THE, THE TOP OF THE BOULDER WALL IS IN THE SAME SPOT AT THE TOP OF THE, UM, FACE WALL WOULD'VE BEEN THE AREA BELOW THE PROPOSED WALL.
THE, UM, THIS LOCK WALL WOULD'VE REMAINED AS WAS, WHICH WAS FROM PICTURE SHOWN, UM, DENT UNDERBRUSH.
AND SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BRASS.
SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT THIS NOW? WANT, YEAH.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T A, UH, THIS WALL DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCRETE OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST NATURAL NATURALLY LIKE THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANY, WHAT IS THE, THE PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE WALL IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION? KEEP THE VEGETATION AND THAT, THAT OUT OF THE WALL? UM, WELL ACTUALLY THE, THESE WALLS GENERALLY ALLOW VEGETATION TO GROW IN THEM.
IT KIND OF HIDES THE WALL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO YOUR, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIRED WOULD BE YOUR GENERAL LANDSCAPING THAT YOU WOULD DO TO THE REST OF YOUR PROPERTY.
BUT, UM, THESE AREAS CAN TEND TO BE OVERRUN BY INVASIVE SPECIES IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED TO SOME DEGREE.
AND COULD, COULD WE HAVE A, A KIND OF LIKE A RIP WRAP WALL ALONG THE SLOPE OF TOWN HALL AND IF IT'S NOT MAINTAINED, YOU'LL GET INVASIVES GROWING OUT OF IT.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SORT OF MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT CAN BE EMPLOYED HERE.
HOW ARE YOU? THIS IS, UH, MICHAEL
UH, JUST, JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE, UH, I HAVE A, UH, UH, A LANDSCAPER THAT, THAT I CONTRACT WITH, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO THAT AREA AND THEY GO THERE AND THEY CLEAN IT UP AS NEEDED, UH, TO MAINTAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, MR. NEWCO, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL THOUGH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, ALSO, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW THING, WOULD, UH, DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE WWN FOR AT LEAST AT SOME PERIOD OF TIME WOULD MAKE SENSE? NO.
JUSTIN WILL DO IT AS A CONDITION THEN.
ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU WANNA ADD A HEARING OR GIVEN THAT THE NEIGHBORS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A HEARING ON THIS.
I, I THINK, I THINK WE'LL MAKE A DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE REASON FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL? I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.
BUT I, I WOULD JUST SAY IF, YOU KNOW, IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO CHIME IN, THEY COULD SEND AN EMAIL OR A LETTER BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, CERTAINLY THEY COULD DO THAT.
UM, AS I SAID IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AS HOPEFULLY YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON, WE, WE DON'T APPRECIATE GETTING THESE THINGS DONE AFTER THE FACT.
UH, IN THIS CASE, LUCKILY, IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER THAN WHAT YOU HAD ORIGINALLY.
AND, AND I THINK EVERY, THE BOARD'S VIEW, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T, DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT WAS DONE OUTSIDE THE PLAN, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS APPRECIATED.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.
SO, WE'LL, I, I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE, IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL.
UH, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT THERE DOING WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDED TO ME, AND IT WAS DONE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL WEEKS.
SO I, I HONESTLY DID NOT REALIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD TO GO BACK AND, AND, AND GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS UNTIL, UH, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO CLOSE OUT THE JOB.
SO, I, I, TRUST ME, I DEEPLY REGRET, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK NOW.
AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
WE'LL PUT THIS ON FOR DECISION FOR FEBRUARY 15TH, THE NEXT MEETING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT? SO, SECOND.
UH, MICHAEL, UH, MICHAEL AND JOHAN
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SECOND.ALL IN FAVOR OF MONA COMING BACK.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR MONA TO COME BACK HER OUT? NO, NOBODY.
REFERRAL HISTORY B UH, TOWN BOARD CASE.
GUYS, YOU WANNA GET OUTTA HERE TONIGHT? ON, ON TIME.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT 2219 PROSPER NURSERY AT 1120 NOLAND ROAD.
THIS IS FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND FOR REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION.
THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE US, UH, BEFORE, AND WE MODIFIED THE PLAN SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW YOU.
SO IF YOU COULD BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THAT MODIFICATION, WE'D APPRECIATE IT, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
GOOD EVENINGS, MICHAEL MCGARVEY, UH, ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICATION.
UM, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, I THINK 2015, UH, I WAS A PUP THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
UM, BUT ANYHOW, UH, WE DID, WE LIKE, WE LIKE HONESTY.
MICHAEL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A VERY LARGE PUPPET AT THAT TIME, VERY LARGE PUPPET.
UM, BUT WE DID, UM, REDUCE THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EVERYTHING ON, ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE WENT FROM THE BUILDING, WENT FROM 6,000 SQUARE FEET DOWN TO 2,400 SQUARE FEET FOR THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WE ORIGINALLY HAD 28.1%.
UM, WE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 2020 1%, WHERE 21.75% IS ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT.
SO WE WERE BELOW THE ALLOWABLE.
UM, WE WERE REMOVING 29,000, ACTUALLY ALMOST 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BETWEEN ASPHALT AND GRAVEL AND PARKING AREAS.
UM, THE STRUCTURES, UH, WILL BE REMOVED WITH, HAVE ABOUT 3,300 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, STRUCTURE, SMALL STRUCTURE SHEDS AND SUCH THAT WILL BE REMOVED OFFSITE.
UM, AND WE ALSO RECENTLY, UH, BROUGHT IN A WATER LINE TO THE, UH, TO THE PROPERTY, UH, WATER SERVICE.
SINCE, UH, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THE DEMOLITION, THE BUILDINGS, ANY ISSUES WITH ASBESTOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? NO, NO.
THESE ARE MOSTLY WOOD SHEDS AND SUCH.
THE, I SHOULD DY I'M ALSO AN ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION, POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD IN 2000, AROUND 2015.
AT THAT TIME PLANNING BOARD, I IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE SITE'S FRONTAGE MM-HMM.
UH, WE DO SEE THAT ON THE DRAWING, THE TOWN BOARD IN ITS DECISION, WHILE THE DRAWING SHOWS THE SIDEWALK GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHER THE NORTHERLY ENTRANCE POINT NORTH TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE TOWN BOARD'S DECISION CALLED FOR A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ENTIRE SITE'S FRONTAGE.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF ANY RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WALTER, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? IN OUR TOWN CODE FOR DEMOLITION, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO TEST FOR ASBESTOS OR SIR, GIVE A CERTIFICATION OF THAT.
IT RUNS THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YES.
WELL, WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD BUILT THINGS TAKEN DOWN THAT HAD ASBESTOS AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT.
I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY BETTER THAN THAT NOW.
THAT WAS, SO THEY HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT SOME WAY.
THEY HAVE, BUT WE HAVE A PROCEDURE.
IT'S PART OF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE BOARD? OKAY, HOLD ON.
WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS OR
WELL, THE, THE BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED IS GOING TO BE THE NEW OFFICE AND, AND IN THE OFFICE, SPEAKING OF THE MIC, PLEASE.
THE NEW BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED IS GOING TO REPLACE THE OFFICE, WHICH
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IS ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE KNOCKED DOWN.SO ALL OF THE OFFICE PERSONNEL FROM PROSPERO IS GOING TO MOVE INTO THIS BUILDING AS OFFICES.
THEN A PORTION OF THE FIRST LEVEL IS GONNA BE A SHOWROOM FOR CUSTOMERS.
AND THERE'S NO GREENHOUSE ATTACHED TO IT.
IT'S JUST THIS, THIS, THAT'S, IT'S A STEEL BUILDING.
AND THAT'S ALL IT'S CONTAINED IN THE BUILDING.
MIKE, YOU HAD A COMMENT? YEAH.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO THROW MY LITTLE OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, GOING THE WHOLE WAY, UH, FOR THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THIS, UH, ESTABLISHMENT.
I MEAN, I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S BEEN ON TOP OF NORWOOD ROAD.
THERE'S NOTHING UP THERE WHATSOEVER.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO, IF YOU ARE AT, UH, PROSPERO'S, YOU'RE NOT WALKING ANY PLACE ELSE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA WALK NEXT DOOR TO GO HOME.
ONE DAY, I'M SORRY, ONE DAY THERE WILL BE
I MEAN, ONE DAY WE, WE'LL PUT IT IN, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY ORDER ON THE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PUT THIS IN.
I MEAN, AND IT'S, IT, IT, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A CONCRETE PATH THAT NOBODY USES.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS BOARD'S TRYING TO DO, AND I AGREE WITH IT.
I MEAN, IN, IN, IN THE RIGHT APPLICATION, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
CAN WE PUT THIS SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO.
ULTIMATELY IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT MY POINT BEING THAT THE TOWN BOARD CONDITIONED IT PREVIOUSLY, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD RECOMMENDED IT.
JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OUTTA CURIOSITY IS, IS NORWOOD ROAD ON A PLAN TO GET A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY? I'LL LOOK AT THAT.
WE'LL TAKE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M ABOUT TO THERE, THERE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IDENTIFIED, UH, THE MAJOR ROADS IN THE TOWN OR ROADS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS.
THAT SIDEWALK, THAT'S A DOMESTIC PLAN.
AND IF YOU LOOK BACK WHEN WE FIRST INSTITUTED ON THE FRIEND MCLAUGHLIN MM-HMM.
AND WHEN SHE WAS PUSHING FOR SIDEWALKS, A BUS, I THINK IT'S A BUS.
IT GOT THE EXACT COMMENT THAT YOU JUST MADE REALLY A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
BUT OVER THESE, OVER THESE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO, SIDEWALK HERE, SIDEWALK HERE, SIDEWALK HERE, AND THEN WITH VARIOUS GRANTS AND, AND REQUIRING, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION TO PUT IN SIDEWALK, WE MUST BE CLOSE TO EIGHT MILES OF SIDEWALK.
THAT WE GOT IN THE, IT IS IN THE COMP PLAN, IDENTIFIED AS A, IT JUST A PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATION.
WHAT SIDE OF THE STREET DOESN'T, DOESN'T IDENTIFY THAT.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROADS THAT WERE PRETTY MUCH COMPLETED IS ALL OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE SAME ARGUMENT TO ROAD TO NOWHERE.
NOW WE CAN HAVE PARKDALE ROAD, RIVER ROAD, HAR ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S UP GOING ROAD.
I MEAN, IF, IF IT WORKS OUT IN THE BIG PICTURE, I'M ALL FOR IT.
MIKE, THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO A BUS ROUTE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HELPS YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FIGHT
WE, WE, WE, YOUR, YOUR OBJECTION IS ACKNOWLEDGED.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? LAURIE, THIS IS A WORK SESSION.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE, UH, TOWN BOARD ON THIS.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
UH, WITH, WITH A, WITH A SIDE.
CAN, CAN I HAVE A, UH, MOTION? SO SECOND.
SECOND IS, UH, ACTUALLY WALTER RAISED HIS HAND.
SO WE'LL CIRCULATE THAT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
NEXT STEP WOULD BE LIKELY A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU CAN HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH GARY AT THE END OF THE DAY.
WHAT ARE WE, WHAT DO WE DO? NO, IT WAS VERY GOOD.
THIS VERY BRIEF AND THEN, UH, DECLARATION OF TENDANCE RECOMMENDATION.
WE DO HAVE THE TEAM HERE FOR SEL.
WE GOT TWO MORE, TWO MORE THINGS.
UH, PB, UH, 21 DASH 30, UH, CAEL, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN PLANNING ABOUT STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, THERE IS ONE THING THAT MOA HAS REQUESTED AND, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES AND WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT IN DETAIL
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TONIGHT, BUT FOR US TO ALL TAKE A VISIT OUT THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE.I THINK AS WE, WHEN THE SITE PLAN COMES BACK TO US, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO UNDERSTAND BETTER TALKING ABOUT ALI.
WITH THE NEW EDITION THAT THEY PURCHASED.
WE'LL JUST DO A NOTICE CYP YEAH, WE CAN DO NOTICE.
SO BEFORE WE EVERYBODY ALLOW THE APPLICANT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO TO YOUR HOUSE, REMIND THE BOARD, REMIND THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS APPLICANT WAS HERE PREVIOUSLY, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT AN EXTENSION WITH RESPECT TO A PRIOR PROJECT THAT WAS ISSUED, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AS WELL AS SITE PLAN AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
WE DID GET INTO SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THIS NOW, NEW AND, AND SLIGHTLY ENLARGED PROJECT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD MAYBE BENEFIT IF A BOARD MEMBER WASN'T HERE TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THAT, SHOW THE PLANS.
WE DO HAVE MR. CANNING, AND THEN FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UH, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER DECLARING ITS INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY AS THERE ARE VARIANCES REQUIRED.
I, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS GET INTO A DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THIS AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE SITE PLAN FIRST.
SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. STEINS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TO, UH, TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
AND SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANNA HAVE A, UM, AN EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION OF THE SITE PLAN.
DAVID STEINMAN'S FROM THE LAW FIRM IS THERE STEINS HERE REPRESENTING, UH, MR. SALLY AND, UH, AND HIS, UH, MASONRY YARD.
WE DID DISCUSS THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY, UH, JOE MELLI, OUR PROJECT ENGINEER FROM ARD SESSIONS.
UH, PETE, PRISCILLA, UM, OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND I'M GLAD MR. CANNING HAS RETURNED.
UH, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS APPLICATION IS WITH REGARD TO AN EXISTING MASONRY YARD ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
SOME OF YOU WERE NOT AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE DID EXPLAIN THAT AS A RESULT OF ACQUISITIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS BEFORE YOU SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
THE SITE IS ESSENTIALLY TWICE AS LARGE.
UM, WE BELIEVE THIS ALLOWS FOR A FAR MORE EFFICIENT USE OF WHAT, WHAT'S NOW JUST UNDER TWO ACRES IN THE LI ZONE.
IT ALLOWS FOR IMPROVED PARKING, IMPROVED OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MR. ILLA AND MR. CANNING BEFORE WE CAME BACK TO THE BOARD LAST, UH, UH, I GUESS ON THE 18TH OF JANUARY ABOUT CURB CUTS RESTRICTIONS ON CERTAIN MOVEMENTS AND HOW TO IMPROVE, UH, VISIBILITY AND FUNCTION.
SO OVERALL, THIS IS AN EXISTING AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN THE TOWN.
IT'S WONDERFUL THAT MR. CASALI WAS, AFTER QUITE A WHILE ABLE TO ASSERT, UH, CONTROL AND ULTIMATELY ACQUIRE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I REFERRED TO AT THE LAST MEETING AS THE MISSING TOOTH IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SITE.
UM, IT'S ALLOWED MR. ELLI, UH, TO DESIGN A MUCH BETTER FUNCTIONING SITE FOR THIS BUSINESS.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND FROM MY CLIENT THAT AT LEAST SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN OUT THERE TODAY.
I HEARD SOME FOLKS FROM THE TOWN, UH, WERE OUT TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE, BUT, UH, MR. SALLY'S, UH, STAFF TOLD, TOLD HIM AND HE REPORTED TO ME THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE TOWN OR OR THE PLANNING BOARD WERE THERE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, MONA, FOR EVERYONE TO VISIT THE SITE WITH.
ONE IMPORTANT CAVEAT, I THINK JOE EXPLAINED THIS TO US LAST MEETING, SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING TO ALLOW THE SITE TO FUNCTION BETTER AND TO ALLOW IT TO BE PARKED BETTER SO THAT MONA DOESN'T EXPERIENCE THE RETAIL EXPERIENCE SHE HAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UH, SO GO OUT THERE, GO CHECK IT OUT.
BUT I THINK MR. CANNING HOPEFULLY CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT WHAT, WHAT EXISTS OUT THERE NOW IS NOT WHAT HE AND MR. RE HAVE SPENT MONTHS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO MAKE THE SITE FUNCTION RETURN THE SITE VISIT.
SO WE ENDORSED THE SITE VISIT, MR. CHAIRMAN AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE DID TALK ABOUT RETURNING TONIGHT, UM, FOR A WORK SESSION DEALING WITH THE LEAD AGENCY DESIGNATION.
UM, IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, ABOUT SCHEDULING THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 15TH.
CAN WE GET OUT THERE BEFORE THE 15TH? YEAH.
UM, IF THE PLANNING BOARD DECLARES ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY, THERE'S A 30 DAY PERIOD WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA CIRCULATE TO UM, SURE.
THE ZONING BOARD, WE'RE GONNA CIRCULATE TO THE D O T AS AN INTERESTED POTENTIALLY INVOLVED AGENCY.
YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO ULTIMATELY, AND I, I, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, SO THE 15TH, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY GONNA GO BACK TO THE ZONING, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH I THINK WILL NOT BE UNTIL MARCH 16TH.
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I DO WANT TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING FORWARD.I DON'T KNOW IF THE 15TH MIGHT BE TOO SOON.
I WOULD SEE A REASON TO BE ON THE 15TH IF WE'RE, IF WE DO IT ON MARCH 1ST, WHICH WOULD BE A MONTH FROM TODAY, WOULD ALLOW US TO, TO DO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AFTER WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DO A SITE VISIT.
THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE TO ME.
AS AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOUR BOARD BEFORE THIS, PRIOR TO THAT ZONING BOARD MEETING.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S CLEARLY THE GOAL.
I I SIMPLY RAISED THE HEARING ON THE 15TH.
'CAUSE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD US MORE TIME HOST VARI MR. STEINERS.
I, I, THAT'S, THAT'LL WORK BECAUSE THAT GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME.
IT GIVES US TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND, AND, AND DO IT RIGHT.
AND DO THIS RIGHT WITH MR. CANNING AND MAKE SURE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND, AND BE ABLE TO IMAGINE IT BETTER THEN COME BACK.
UH, ACTUALLY WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC HEARING WORKS WORK SESSION ON THE 15TH.
ON MARCH 1ST, WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER YOU GET THE VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT BEFORE THAT WE'LL DO SEEKER, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WE'LL DO, DO THAT ON, ON THE 1ST OF MARCH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROCEDURAL OBJECTION.
YOU WILL HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN AN ORGANIZE SITE INSPECTION WHERE YOU DON'T ALL GO SEPARATELY, BUT YOU GO TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT I CAN HOLD TO HAVE THAT SCHEDULED AND LET JOE AND OR PETE BE OUT THERE WITH, WITH JOHN IF HE CAN BE THERE AND DO THIS IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION.
WE USUALLY HOLD THOSE ON SATURDAY MORNINGS AROUND 10:00 AM DOESN'T WE HAVE TO BE THOUGH? THIS MAY BE BETTER.
WE CAN, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COORDINATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A BUSY MORNING, PERHAPS AT THE SITE.
AND IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BETTER FOR US TO DO IT AT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LESS BUSY TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CLIENT.
UM, JOE, DO YOU, AND FOR THE SAFETY, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON, ON THAT WHEN, WHEN IT'S BEST TO, AND, AND WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD PARK SO THAT THEY DON'T TAKE SEVEN SPACES, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE SITE INSPECTION.
WE CAN COORDINATE THAT OFFLINE TOO, IF WE NEED TO.
YEAH, I'LL TALK TO THE, TO MR. CASAL AND SEE WHAT, WHAT A BETTER DAY WOULD BE.
MY, MY GUT IS THAT A PROBABLY A WEEKDAY AFTERNOON MIGHT BE BETTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY A LITTLE OBVIOUSLY HIS BUSINESS.
BUT THEN IT'S THE, THIS, LET'S TAKE THIS ALL TO AARON AND MATT.
SO JUST REGROUPING MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO MARCH 1ST WE CAN COME BACK PRESUMABLY FOR A DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN PROCEED IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
YEAH, WE'RE SPEAKER ON THE, ON THE 1ST OF MARCH.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A, A SITE SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THAT MARCH 1ST MEETING.
THAT GIVES US TIME TO, YEAH, SO WE HAVE FOUR WEEKS TO COORDINATE A SITE VISIT.
THE TEAM WILL AND OUR OFFICE WILL FOLLOW UP.
WE'LL COORDINATE WITH MR. CANNING AS WELL.
'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THE BOARD AND THE TEAM THAT, THAT HE'D BE AVAILABLE TO.
AARON, COULD YOU MAKE ONE TECHNICAL COMMENT FOR AMANDA? AMANDA? SURE.
I THINK I, I WOULD ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU JUST BRIEF PEGGY TAGLIA ON WHAT'S HAPPENING SINCE SHE HAS A JUSTICE COURT MATTER THAT WE CONTINUALLY ADJOURN WHILE THIS IS BEING PROCESSED.
UM, AARON, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED.
CAN YOU JUST, JUST SEND US THE SUMMARY OUT.
JUST SEND US BEFORE THE SITE VISIT, SEND US AN EMAIL INDICATING THAT THE VARIANCES ARE NEEDED.
IS YOUR EMAIL, MICHAEL, MOST OF THEM ARE ALL JUST PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE AT THE TOP THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE SITE'S BEEN OPERATING.
YEAH, I CAN RECIRCULATE, PLEASE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE, TO DECLARE OUR INTENT TO BELIEVE AGENCY? SO MOVED.
ALL IN FAVOR, MICHAEL? AYE AYE.
EVERYBODY IN FLORIDA, WHEREVER ELSE.
DO WE PUT THAT ON? SHOULD WE, TONIGHT? THAT WAS REALLY IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M JUST GONNA NOTE FOR THE RECORD, I AM NOT IN FLORIDA AND I, I, THAT WAS A BACKHANDED SHOT AT ME, BUT NO, NO, NO.
IT WASN'T ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR MEMBERS.
UM, TOM, TOM, WILL YOU BE BACK? DON'T
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MARCH 1ST OR YOU'RE STILL DOWN THERE? I'LL BE BACK, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING OF MARCH 15TH.SO IF YOU WANT TO GET OUT THERE WITH ME, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO THE PLANNING BOARD, PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN COORDINATE ON THAT.
YOU GET TIME BEFORE THE DECISION ANYWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, IT'LL BE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, FOR THE VARIANCES.
I'LL SEE YOU ON THE 15TH ON ANOTHER MATTER.
WE'RE GONNA ALL MEET, WE'RE GONNA LOOK NOTICE.
WE'LL OUT, WE'LL BREAK IT UP AND WE'LL LOOK TO COORDINATED NOTICE SITE VISIT BY YOURSELF.
UM, LAST, I WON'T SAY, BUT NOT LEAST, UM, CASE T UH, TB 2301, CHAPTER 2 85.
I, WE COULD SPEND ALL NIGHT ON, ON THE, UH, THE CON, UH, CONTEXTUAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS FROM SEVEN TO FIVE.
KURT IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE, ON THE BOARD.
UM, AND KURT, YOU PUT ON KEEPING THAT JOB FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
KEEPING THAT JOB FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION THAT JUST, I, I SEE NO REASON NOT TO GRIP ON THIS REDUCTION.
SO WE'RE ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS RECOMMEND BACK OF THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE'RE FINE WITH THIS REDUCTION.
COULD I HAVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE THE, I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE ONE, ONE WORD.
THEY HAVE THE LANDLORD, THEY HAVE, UH, UM, CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS AND THEY HAVE TENANTS, BUT NO BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE.
OR, OR, AND, OR BUSINESS SHOULD SOMEHOW GET INTO THAT OPTION AND NOT JUST LOCK 'EM OUT.
TE TENANT, THEY DON'T HAVE TENANTS.
TECHNICALLY TENANTS WOULD BE, THEY HAVE TENANTS.
TENANT TENANTS WOULD BE THE BUSINESS OWNERS, RIGHT? TENANT WOULD BE BUSINESS OWNERS OR IT WOULD BE A LANDLORD BECAUSE YOU'RE OPERATING TENANT.
INTERPRET THAT TENANT MEANING A IN AN APARTMENT, BUT A BUSINESS AS A TENANT.
THE ONLY CHANGE I, I WOULD MAKE IS I WOULD NOT, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T DESIGNATE THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD OR WHOEVER ELSE DESIGNATED.
IT'D BE A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD I OR CHOSEN DESIGNATE FROM.
WHAT IF THEY REFUSE? I HAVE TO GO TO A MEETING.
WELL, COR SIGNED UP FOR 20 TO 30 YEARS.
SO WE'RE OKAY ON THAT? I'M FINE.
SO DO I, DO I HAVE A MO MOTION TO APPROVE? APPROVE, UH, TO RECOMMEND THAT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CHANGE TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SECOND IS MONA, UH, UH, JOHAN.
YOU WANT A DISCUSSION FIRST? NO, NOT REALLY DISCUSSION, BUT MAYBE HE'S TRYING TO LIKE, SOMEHOW THE LANGUAGE TO IMPLY THAT THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE THE SAME WAY I READ THAT MEANING THAT BUSINESS, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO BE QUITE HONEST.
WHETHER IT'S A COMMERCIAL TENANT OR IT IS A RESIDENTIAL TENANT.
AND CORRECT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
DOES ANYONE, DOES DO A BUSINESS OWNER SIT ON THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME? NO.
I DON'T THINK WE, NO, WE, I DON'T THINK SO.
ALL IN FAVOR? CAN WE GET THIS VOTE DONE? AND THEN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NO, ACCORDING TO A, TO A PARLIAMENT ATTORNEY.
I MEAN, UH, COR ARE YOU VOTING? YEAH, WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SEE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE BEARD.
I I ABSTAIN AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY I ABSTAIN.
ONE ABSTENTION, I DON'T, WELL, DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEARTS STILL CONTEXTUAL REVIEW COMMITTEE IS.
AND NUMBER TWO, I HAVE NO BASIS ON WHICH TO MAKE ANY JUDGMENT AS TO WHETHER THE MEMBERS SHOULD BE REDUCED FROM NINE TO SEVEN, NINE TO THREE 15 TO 14 OF 27 TO 36.
OKAY, FRANK, LET LET, LEMME MAKE A STATEMENT, MAKE MAKE ONE TOO.
I'LL MAKE THE FIRST STATEMENT OF THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONTROLLING ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE AESTHETICS ARE IN DOWNTOWN HARTSDALE.
I WON'T COMMENT HOW I THINK DOWNTOWN HARTSDALE LOOKS IN REGARDS TO THAT.
BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
I THINK THE LAW NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY REWRITTEN.
THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T
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THINK THE LAW GIVES THEM ANY TEETH TO DO ANYTHING THE WAY THE LAW'S WRITTEN CURRENTLY.AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY MEET.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT OF HOW OFTEN THEY MEET.
NONE OF THAT'S IN THE, IN THE CODE THAT I SAW.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING.
IT IS LIKE THE CA THEY THEY ARE TO DOWNTOWN HARSDALE.
WELL THE C A C IS TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S SUPPOSED BE THERE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT NOBODY FROM PLANNING BOARD SHOULD EVEN BE ON THAT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY AN ADVISORY BOARD, UH, COMMITTEE TO US.
SO I DON'T MIND SOMEBODY FROM THE PLANNING BOARD BEING ON THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ON OTHER COMMITTEE.
A LOT OF US ARE DOING OTHER THINGS TOO.
BUT, UM, IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THEM THEMSELVES NEED TO RECHARTER.
I THINK IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S NINE, SEVEN, IT'S IMMATERIAL TO ME THAT THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL, MICHAEL.
BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT BECAUSE I REALLY SHOULD AND I SHOULD WE PUT IN THE STATEMENT THAT OF CONCERN THAT, UH, THE WAY THAT WE, WE'D LIKE MORE, WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE MORE TRUCTURE.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE STRUCTURE IN IN THERE.
IS THERE A, I MEAN, IS THERE AN ITEM GIVE? WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S BEEN ARE WE, IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT SINCE THERE'S BEEN A DROP IN ATTENDANCE, PARTICULARLY ON COMMITTEES, UH, IN, NOW THAT WE'VE GONE BACK TO UH, IN-PERSON MEETINGS, IT'S BEEN ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS OUR OWN.
SO THEY PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET A CORRECT.
THE CAC C JUST DID IT AS WELL.
THEY WERE A NINE PERSON RIGHT.
AND THEY, THEY REDUCED DOWN TO SEVEN.
WHY DON'T THEY CHANGE, CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT IF YOU ANTICIPATE BY ZOOM, YOU'LL COUNT IT TOWARD THE QUALITY.
THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THAT WOULD BE STATE LEGISLATION.
THEY THE PROBLEM, THAT'S THE STATE THING.
THIS IS ONE WAY TO ADDRESS WHAT HAPPENED WAS HOKO INSTEAD.
AND THAT'S WHY I GOT MESSED UP.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, ORIGINALLY HOKO OBVIOUSLY WAS SIGNING THOSE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, ALLOWING US TO DO ZOOM AND SHE WAS SIGNING THEM ONCE, ONCE A MONTH.
'CAUSE WE NEVER KNEW IF WE WERE GONNA BE ON ZOOM FOR TWO YEARS.
EVERY MONTH WE, WE HAD TO DECIDE AND SHE KEPT EXTENDING IT.
FINALLY, WHEN THINGS GOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THEY SAID, WELL GEE, ZOOM KIND OF WORKS AND OUR ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN BETTER SINCE ZOOM.
UH, IT'S EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND.
AND UM, SO THEY DECIDED TO COME UP WITH THIS COMPROMISE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS A, IT'S A STATE RULE.
THEN YOU HAVE TO ADOPT A LOCAL RULE.
WE ADOPTED A LOCAL RULE, WHICH I HAVE A QUESTION.
AMANDA KNOWS THIS OF WHETHER OUR, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH OKAY.
OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND ALSO THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWN'S COUNSEL HAS AFFIRMED THAT IT IS OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS.
UM, BUT WE ADOPTED A, A TOWN, A PLANNING BOARD RULE JUST FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
'CAUSE THERE ELSE YOU'D HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ON ZOOM AND THE REST OF US DRAGGING HERE.
TRUTHFULLY, WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS WE SHOULD DO, IF OUR APPLICANTS AREN'T REQUIRED TO BE HERE, I SEE THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED TO BE HERE EITHER AND WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THE WHOLE THING ON ZOOM.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE HYBRID THING IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, UH, TO PULL OFF LOGISTICALLY.
UM, AND I THINK WE GOT MORE, FRANKLY, I THINK WE GOT MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TOO WHEN IT WAS ALL ON ZOOM.
SO I, WHAT I, AND IT'S MY FAULT 'CAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE WRITING THIS LETTER AND I HAVEN'T WRITTEN IT YET AND I'M, I'M GONNA CIRCULATE IT TO ALL THE CHAIRS OF ALL THE COMMITTEES SAYING WE AS A GROUP WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THESE ALL GO ON ZOOM.
WE HAD AN ISSUE ON, UH, THE COMMITTEE THAT, THAT JOHANN AND I CO-CHAIR, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE EXEMPTED FROM THAT LAW.
'CAUSE WE KNEW WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN LIVE IN GREENBURG.
WE HAVE EXPERTS ON THAT COMMITTEE AND WE DIDN'T WANT, WE KNEW THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KEEP THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER.
IF WE HAD TO, IF WE HAD TO MEET HERE, THERE WAS NO REASON TO MEET IN PERSON.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LET'S FACE IT, ZOOM WERE AT FIRST ZOOM WAS ROUGH, BUT AS WE GOT USED TO IT GOT MORE COMFORTABLE.
I THINK THINK THIS, IT'S A GREAT TOOL.
I ZOOM HAS A, I DISAGREE WITH YOUR BASIC PREMISE OR I, I THINK YOU'RE MISSING ZOOM OF COURSE HAS ITS PLACE.
UM, BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN DYNAMIC WHICH HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AROUND THE TABLE.
UM, I THINK CONVERSATION AND EXCHANGE IS IMPROVED.
UM, AND I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
IF IT'S NOT, I AM TOO MICHAEL.
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NOT A HYBRID.THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE HALF PREGNANT.
YOU KNOW, OUR APPLICANTS ARE ARE ON ZOOM.
OKAY, WELL YOU WANNA REQUIRE THE APPLICANTS TO COME HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME.
I MEAN WE HAVE TO BE HERE FOR A QUORUM.
BUT THE APPLICANTS THAT'S RIGHT.
NO, I THINK, WELL ACTUALLY, BUT ACTUALLY I THINK THAT FOR THE APPLICANTS THAT HAS BEEN GOOD.
THERE HAS BEEN TIME IN THE PAST IN PERSON MEETING, THE APPLICANT WILL COME IN AND SAY, MY ARCHITECT IS TRAVELING OUTTA TOWN.
THE REALITY OF IT THOUGH, MICHAEL, AS MUCH AS I WOULD, I THINK SITTING AROUND THE TABLE, I AGREE WITH YOU.
ALTHOUGH I THINK OVER TIME IT DID IMPROVE ON ZOOM.
UM, I, THE REAL PROBLEM, NOT ON THIS BOARD AS MUCH, BUT EVEN ON THIS BOARD IS GETTING QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT.
AND FRANKLY, GETTING YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE JOHANN WHO HAVE, WHO WORK AND HAVE A FAMILY
SO YOU'RE THE KID, YOU'RE THE KIDS.
BUT SERIOUSLY, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET YOUNGER PEOPLE ONTO TO THESE BOARDS, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON.
THEY TRAVEL FOR WORK, THEY HAVE KIDS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS TOO.
SO IT'S IT'S A TWO-EDGED SWORD.
I, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN PERSONAL INTERACTION.
THEY GET A FREE TRIP TO SARATOGA SPRINGS IN HERE.
YOU'LL GET MORE APPLICANTS THAN YOU CAN HANDLE
I, I OKAY THEN, THEN MICHAEL WILL, WILL ACTUALLY FUND IT
HOW'S THAT? I CAN'T MAKE THAT PROMISE.
CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE A GOOD NIGHT? I DID WANNA JUST BEFORE YOU GUYS SIGN OFF, UM, REAL QUICK, IT SEEMS TO ME, AND, AND I ALWAYS DISCUSS THE SCHEDULE WITH, WITH THE CHAIR, BUT, UM, A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE, OR A NUMBER OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THIS EVENING HAVE BUMPED TO MARCH 1ST.
SO WE HAVE A LIGHTER SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW FOR THE 15TH.
I DON'T, I'M GOING OUT A LITTLE BIT ON A LIMB HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO START FOCUSING IN ON, WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT THE ELMWOOD, THE ELMWOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT SUBDIVISION LAYOUT PROJECT, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL, IT'S OVER A HUNDRED LOTS.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT FROM WHEN IT WENT THROUGH THE E I S PROCESS.
BUT THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
THEY'RE SUBMITTING REVISIONS BASED ON COMMENTS PROVIDED BY STAFF AND THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT.
AND THEY VERY WELL, THEY COME ON FOR AN INITIAL WORK SESSION FEBRUARY 15TH.
HOW DO WE PUSH FOR ALTERNATE ENERGY AMOUNT DURING, SO I JUST, THAT'S A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT OUTTA CURIOSITY.
WE USUALLY GET THE MATERIAL THE FRIDAY BEFORE.
ANY CHANCE WE CAN GET THAT A LITTLE BIT SOONER.
SO WHAT I WAS GONNA INDICATE IS THAT, UM, OUR OFFICE CAN EMAIL OUT THE MATERIALS TO EVERYONE, UH, BY THIS FRIDAY UHHUH IN TERMS OF HARD COPY MATERIALS.
WE CAN ONLY GET THEM OUT AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE THEM FROM THE APPLICANT.
WE SET, WE SET THE AGENDA NEXT TUESDAY, GENERALLY WHEN WE SET THE AGENDA.
SO SOMETIMES I'LL TALK TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THIS WEEK.
BUT, BUT NORMALLY BY THE, THE, A WEEK BEFORE WEEK AHEAD MM-HMM.
SO I THINK SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE STUFF BEFORE THAT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT MAYBE THE HARD COPIES WE CAN GET OUT BY MAIL NEXT TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY FOR SPECIFIC TO THAT PROJECT.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO SET THE, WE HAVE TO SET THE AGENDA FIRST IN GENERAL.
I MEAN, AARON MAY CALL ME ON A FRIDAY TO DO IT, BUT, BUT GENERALLY BY THE NEXT, BY NEXT TUESDAY HE AND I HAVE SET THE AGENDA.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ELECTRONICALLY, WE'LL DO PEOPLE THAT OPT INTO ELECTRONIC IN GENERAL, NOT JUST FOR THIS PROJECT TO GET THE PAPERWORK IN ADVANCE OF THE FRIDAY BEFORE.
YEAH, I DON'T, I GET IT ALL ON THE, I GET IT ON FRIDAY WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE SCALE PROJECT.
I MEAN, IN, IN GENERAL WE HAVE EVERYTHING SCANNED IN THURSDAY.
AT THE TIME WE MAIL OUT THE PACKAGES TO THOSE THAT RECEIVE, THEN PATTY SENDS IT OUT ON THE SCHEDULE FRIDAY.
WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND I, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT TO GO THROUGH IT.
I MEAN I GENERALLY WE WILL ENDEAVOR, GENERALLY WHAT I DO, WHAT I GENERALLY DO IS I GENERALLY READ IT ON MONDAY.
'CAUSE I HAVE A TUESDAY PRE-MEETING WITH, UH, TOM.
AND, AND AARON AND, AND AMANDA
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AND MATT.I I HAVE TO READ THE STUFF BEFORE THAT MEETING.
WE CAN LOOK TO GET THE ELECTRONICS OUT ON THURSDAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I DON'T LOOK AT IT OVER THE WEEKENDS, SO I ENDEAVOR TO DO IT ON, ON MONDAY, BUT NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 IS TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY.
SO IF I GET IT EARLIER IN UNTIL WEEK PRIOR, IT'LL HELP ME.
I MEAN THURSDAY MIDDAY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SIT.
NO, WE'RE CLOSING SECTION AT NINE 16.
DO YOU EVER PASS? WHERE'S YOUR WHOLE PASS? OH, WE'RE WORKING ON THEM.
I DID, I SENT YOU, I SENT A PICTURE TO WHY SO LONG.