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WELCOME TO, UH, THE GREENBERG TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.IT'S, UM, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7TH, UM, AROUND FIVE 15, I GUESS.
UM, AND THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS IS THE WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE, UM, CONDITIONS.
BASICALLY, UM, OVER THE PAST, UM, UM, FEW WEEKS, I'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF CALLS, UH, FROM, UH, FROM RESIDENTS.
ONE PERSON, UH, TOLD ME THAT, UH, THEY SKIDDED ON, UM, ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON WEST HARLEY AVENUE, WHICH IS A STATE ROAD.
UM, AND THEY INDICATED THAT FORTUNATELY THERE WAS NO CAR IN FRONT OF THEM.
BUT I'VE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, AND THE PROBLEM IS, UM, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS. ONE IS IT'S A STATE ROAD.
UM, SO THE TOWN IS LIMITED AS TO WHAT WE COULD DO.
UM, THERE'S, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.
THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO HAS, UM, I GUESS A WATER MAIN ON HIS PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND WE'VE ISSUED VIOLATIONS.
UM, I DID SPEAK TO LANCE MCMILLAN.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A WATER MAIN.
NO, I, I BELIEVE NOW IT, IT'S FOUND THAT IT'S NOT A WATER MAINE BASED ON, IT'S NOT A, YEAH.
AT FIRST IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A WATER MAINE, BUT OKAY.
THE, THE MAIN THING IS WHEN I SPOKE TO LANCE, YOU KNOW, EARLIER TODAY, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE, THIS RESOLVED.
WELL, NOBODY KNOWS WHO LANCE IS.
LANCE MCMILLAN IS THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE NEW YORK STATE.
I SHOULDN'T SAY NOBODY, BUT D O T.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, HE WANTS TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WANTS TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY, UH, IT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE COULD GET THIS RESOLVED BEFORE IT FREEZES AGAIN.
I'M, I'M CURRENTLY PROPO, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAFT LAW FOR YOUR REVIEW, UM, THAT PROPOSES THAT WE ENACT WITHIN OUR TOWN CODE TO REQUIRE THAT PRIVATE OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF DITCHES, PIPES, CATCH BASINS, GRATES, AND OTHER DRAINAGE STRUCTURES.
AND THAT IF THEY ARE NOT TO COMPLY, TO ALLOW US TO GO ON THE PROPERTY, DO THE WORK, AND CHARGE THE HOMEOWNER, UM, TO HOPEFULLY TRY TO HELP MITIGATE THE SITUATION IN THE FUTURE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S A PRIVATE RESIDENCE.
UM, BUT MAYBE THIS COULD HELP IN THE FUTURE.
WE'RE DRAFTING IT NOW, WE'RE DOING OUR RESEARCH TO ENSURE THAT IT'S ENFORCEABLE.
AND I CAN PRESENT THAT TO YOU SHORTLY.
WOULD, WOULD THIS APPLY TO THE STATE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY ON A STATE ROAD? YES, IT WOULD.
NOW, THE, THE QUESTION IS, AND MAYBE WE COULD HAVE RICH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, LIKE ACTION STEPS COULD BE TAKEN, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS MAJOR SAFETY PROBLEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS LIKE, IS THE EYE DROP.
BUT THE, THE BIG PROBLEM THAT I, THE WORRY THAT I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE EVERYBODY IS, YOU KNOW, FIGURING IT OUT, MEANWHILE IT, IT'S DANGEROUS AND SOMEBODY COULD BE IN AN ACCIDENT, RIGHT? BUT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS CAUSING IT.
DID RICH, I THINK THAT'S DONE.
THINK RICH IS ON, IS RICH, HERE'S RICH, HERE'S RICH.
RICH, WE NEED YOU AT THE TAPE.
RICH, RICH, RIGHT UP HERE IN THAT SEAT RIGHT THERE.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY DO WE HAVE TO GET 30 DAYS AS WE WOULD DO FOR SOMEBODY HAVING TOO MANY GARBAGE CANS OR WHATEVER FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S CREATING AN UNSAFE CONDITION? IF SOMEBODY HAD A DISPLAY OF RAZOR BLADES IN THE FRONT LAWN, WE WOULDN'T SAY YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO REMOVE THEM.
WHY? IF THEY'RE CAUSING SUCH A HAZARDOUS CONDITION, AND THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS PUT SAND DOWN.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING PAST THERE, YOU ALMOST THINK YOU'RE ON A BEACH.
THERE'S SO MUCH SAND NOW ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S GETTING WASHED INTO OUR DRAINS.
AND ONCE IT GETS INTO OUR DRAINS, THAT'S NOT SOLUBLE.
WELL, BECAUSE A PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT ADDRESSING A HAZARD, A CONDITION, WHY DO WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO DO A CORRECTION? WHY CAN'T WE GO IMMEDIATELY TO A SUMMONS? SO THE, THE CODE THAT I'M PROPOSING WOULD BE A 24 HOUR PERIOD AFTER NOTICE TO THE HOMEOWNER.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A 30 DAY NOTICE LIKE WE DO IN OTHER, OTHER REGULATIONS WITHIN THE TOWN CODE.
THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE STATE SHOULD BE ENFORCING THE STATE CODE, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IS OCCURRING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY SUPERVISOR FINER WANTED TO HAVE A MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ENFORCE THAT CODE.
I THINK 30 DAYS FOR A HAZARDOUS CONDITION IS TOO LONG.
AND IN MY FIRST DRAFT IT'S A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
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MAKING SURE THAT'S LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE BEFORE I PROPOSE IT TO YOU.SO, SO BASICALLY THERE'S REALLY TWO THINGS.
ONE IS OUR CODE DOESN'T PERMIT US TO TAKE ACTION NOW, BUT YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE STATE CODE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, DO MORE ENFORCEMENT.
WHEN I SPOKE TO, UH, THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR, HE INDICATED THAT HE'S IN TOUCH WITH HIS LEGAL TEAM, UH, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE LEGAL TEAM, BUT THEY'RE MEETING WITH YOU, I GUESS TOMORROW WE'RE GONNA MEET OUT THERE ON SITE.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BASICALLY IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO.
YOU MEAN THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER? THIS IS CORRECT.
THIS IS WHAT THE WORD WE'VE BEEN ADVISED.
WE HAD TWO ISSUES OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
ONE WAS HILLSIDE AVENUE AND ONE WAS, UH, WEST HARSDALE AVENUE, BOTH STATE ROADS WHERE WATER WAS CROSSING THE ROAD DUE TO STORMWATER.
UM, HILLSIDE AVENUE HAS SINCE DRIED UP.
THEY WERE VERY ON TOP OF SALTING AND MAINTAINING IT, UM, JUST AS THEY HAVE BEEN ON WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE, BUT IT'S WATER CROSSING THEIR ROAD AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT ON TO GO OUT.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND ISSUE SUMMONS IS, OR TICKETS.
SO WE MAY NOT HAVE JURISDICTION BECAUSE IT'S A STATE ROAD, AND THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT COULD ACTUALLY GO OUT AND ENFORCE THE CODE THAT THE STATE COULD ENFORCE.
AND THEY MAILED US CERTAIN LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR LAW OR THEIR CODE THAT WE THEN SENT TO THE HOMEOWNER.
BUT I'M SAYING WHAT, IS THERE ANY ACTION THAT YOU COULD THINK OF THAT COULD BE TAKEN, SAY IN THE NEXT, SAY, 24 OR 48 HOURS? THAT COULD, SO IF THE ROAD STARTS, I DON'T THINK WE ARE EXPECTING FREEZING WEATHER FOR THE, FOR AT LEAST A FEW DAYS, BUT COULD WE HAVE SOMETHING ADDRESSED? SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE COULD PREVENT AN ACCIDENT.
SO I KNOW, UH, BRIAN SIMMONS HAS BEEN OUT THERE, OUR ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
I THINK THEY BELIEVE SOMETHING BE VERY SIMPLE, COULD BE DONE WITH ASPHALT TO KIND OF CHANNEL IT INTO A CERTAIN AREA.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOK AT.
BRIAN, COME ON UP, JOIN THE PARTY
BUT SO JOE, ANY LEGISLATION THAT WE WOULD CREATE NOW WOULDN'T REALLY APPLY TO THIS SITUATION.
CORRECT? THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY, CORRECT, YES.
THIS IS TO TRY TO HELP WITH FUTURE RIGHT? SCENARIOS.
JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, BECAUSE IF THERE'S A LOCAL, REALISTICALLY, IT WOULD BE NEXT WINTER, RIGHT? 'CAUSE BY THE TIME IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT IT'S NOT EVEN, IT MAY BE OTHER SITUATIONS UNDER THIS CODE WHERE THERE MAY BE OTHER SAFETY PROBLEMS IN THE SUMMER OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT COULD APPLY.
THIS WOULD SIMPLY BE IN REGARDS TO PIPES BASE, CATCH BASE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, SO THAT'S AN ANCILLARY ISSUE THAT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THE FLOODING THAT WE'VE HAD ELSEWHERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM ISN'T NECESSARILY IMPACTED.
BUT THAT'S, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU SAW AND WHAT IS IT YOU'RE THINKING MIGHT BE A SOLUTION? SO WE HAD OUR WATER DEPARTMENT GO OUT.
WE HAD OUR WATER DEPARTMENT GO OUT.
SO THEY TESTED THE WATER TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY PRESENCE OF FLUORIDE INSIDE ON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.
AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO FIND FLUORIDE IN THE WATER.
SO TO US, THAT SAYS THAT IT'S, UH, NOT COMING FROM A DRINKING WATER SOURCE.
UH, SO IT'S NOT A, A DRINKING, IT'S NOT A WATER MAIN PER SE.
UM, AND THAT IT'S EITHER FROM GROUNDWATER OR IT'S FROM A, AN OPEN WATER COURSE.
AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE THINKING? WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER THAT WITH THE STATE TOMORROW, BUT, UM, RICH MENTIONED QUICK FIX ASPHALT SOLUTION.
SO THERE IS, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S A, IT'S A NATURAL, UH, SWALE AREA THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE.
SOME DRIVEWAYS HAVE PIPES UNDERNEATH THEIR, THEIR, UM, ACCESS TO THE, THE HOMES.
OTHERS JUST HAVE AN OPEN CHANNEL.
IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, BASED ON, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, STREET, GOOGLE STREET VIEW IMAGES, THAT THERE'S JUST A SWALE AREA.
AND THAT'S KIND OF JUST BEEN DIRECTING THE WATER ALONG THE ROAD.
AND WHAT'S CHANGED IS NOW THERE'S, UH, UH, THE WATER'S BASICALLY JUMPING OVER THE SWALE AREA BECAUSE THERE'S EITHER AN OBSTRUCTION OR 'CAUSE UNABLE TO PASS THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY AREA THAT'S CAUSING IT TO GO ONTO THE ROAD SHEET FLOW ACROSS THE ROAD, MEANING WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE ICING CONDITION.
WILL THIS BE DONE ANY OF THE CHANGES BY THE STATE OR BY THE TOWN? YOU'RE TALKING ON THE ROAD? YEAH, YOU, YOU JUST SAID WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO DO THE WORK.
SO YOU'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA MEET THE STATE OUT THERE.
I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SEEN.
BRIAN'S BEEN OUT THERE AND HOPEFULLY IT'S ABLE TO BE REPAIRED.
YEAH, I SHOULD JUST MENTION WHEN I SPOKE TO LANCE IN MCMILLAN, HE WAS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE
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TO FEEL, OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST PICKING ON THE STATE.BUT, YOU KNOW, HE DEFINITELY WANTS TO GIVE THIS PRIORITY.
YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S PERSONALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THEY TRY THEIR BEST AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY SHARE EQUIPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE HILLSIDE AVENUE CONDITION, SERGEANT FONTELLA MET, UH, LYNN OUT THERE, THE REGIONAL ENGINE, THE LOCAL ENGINEER, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BORROW A JET TRUCK THAT THEY SHARE BETWEEN, I FORGET HOW MANY REGIONS.
A TRUCK THAT COULD GO OUT THERE AND, UH, JET THE PIPE AND, AND SUCK OUT THE MATERIAL, SUCK OUT THE SEDIMENT, WHATEVER IT'S IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM.
I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET IF SOMEBODY WAS DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD AND INSTEAD OF SKIDDING AND NOT HITTING ANYBODY, BUT HIT SOMEBODY AND KILL THEM, IT WOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG FOR THE LAWYERS TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
IS IT THE PROPERTY OWNER? IS IT THE STATE? IS IT THE TOWN? WHY CAN'T WE JUST DO THAT NOW AND WAIT, WELL, THE TOWN IS NOT, THE TOWN IS NOT AN ISSUE.
WE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE TOWN, IT'S THE STATE.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD DEFENSE IF THERE'S A LAWSUIT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS KILLED THAT THE STATE SAYS WE JUST DON'T HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE ISSUED THE LETTER.
BUT HOW DO WE HAVE JURISDICTION? BUT DO WE HAVE JURISDICTION TO ISSUE THAT? AGAIN, THAT'S, I MEAN, KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ONE.
SO YOU SPOKE TO LANCE, I DON'T KNOW HIS LAST NAME.
IS HE GIVING US AUTH? IS HE GIVING US SOME SORT OF AUTHORIZATION TO BE ABLE TO, TO GIVE THAT LETTER AND TO ENFORCE THAT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SO MUCH, BUT THIS, WE WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING FROM THE STATE.
BUT DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO PULL THAT LETTER? WELL, LANCE SAID TO ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA MEET WITH YOU AND WE'RE GONNA, AND THEN WE WE'RE GONNA WORK COOPERATIVELY.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL, UH, RESPOND BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES, JUST AS YOU KNOW, FRANCIS SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, IT'S GONNA COST THEM MUCH MORE.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS EMBARRASSMENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S ON NOTICE.
THE TOWN'S ON NOTICE, THE STATE'S ON NOTICE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S ON NOTICE.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AVOID A FATALITY OR A SERIOUS, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENT.
I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON WEST DALE AVENUE FATALITY MAYBE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T RELATED TO, TO THIS, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL NEVER FORGET.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ACCIDENT.
IT'S A, IT'S A DAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, A ROAD THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, CAREFUL DRIVING ON.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'VE DRIVEN ON WEST HARSDALE AVENUE THIS WEEK AND IT'S REALLY FRIGHTEN VERY SCARY.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I I DO, I AM PLEASED THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE STATE AND YOU WILL BE, YOU KNOW, MEETING ON SIDE.
AND I FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, I, I FEEL THAT EVERYBODY, NOW THAT IT'S ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR SCREEN, I, I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
I'M GLAD THAT, THAT LANCE WAS SO RESPONSIVE.
SO TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR AFTER THE MEETING WHAT, WHAT CONCLUSIONS, IF ANY, TO COME TO AND WHAT ACTIONS, UM, ARE PLANNED AND HOW, AND IDEALLY HOW SOON THEY'LL BE DONE.
YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT THE REGION, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS SUCH A LARGE TERRITORY.
SO SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANNA HELP, IT'S THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THIS AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE AWARE OF THE EXTREME HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS AND NOT SENT THEM NUMEROUS LETTERS, I MEAN, WELL, WE END UP EMAILING YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND I THINK THEY WILL.
SO THE WATER TODAY HAS TODAY IS NOT CROSSING OVER THE ROAD.
IT'S STAYING IN THE, BUT WE HAPPEN TO BE LUCKY THAT THIS WEEK IT'S GOING TO STAY, UH, PRETTY MUCH ABOVE FREEZING.
WE'VE HAD A VERY, ARE YOU MEETING WITH THE STATE TOMORROW? TOMORROW, YEAH.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ONSITE MEETING.
SO WHAT IS TO STOP THE STATE IF, EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER READILY AVAILABLE, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE ANYWAY TO ISSUE
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A SUMMONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHILE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THERE ANYWAY, THAT WILL HAVE TO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET, LET'S GET THEM INTO COURT.YOU KNOW, WE, ALL THE CODES SAY IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S NOT THE STATE'S BECAUSE IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND, AND, UH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT.
RIGHT? NO, I THINK WE DIDN'T, WE HAVE DOESN'T, THE, THE VIOLATION NOTICES USUALLY REQUIRE 30 DAYS, BUT THAT VIOLATION NOTICE I FIRST COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, A, A WHILE BACK.
SO ISN'T THE VI THE 30 DAYS PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING UP TO THE VIOLATION THAT, THAT WE PUT ONTO THE OWNER? YES.
HOWEVER, I AM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ORIGINAL NOTICE POINTED TO A CORRECT PORTION OF THE CODE THAT WE CAN ENFORCE.
AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, IT'S REALLY THE STATE CODE AND THE STATE SHOULD BE ENFORCING IT.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE 30 DAY PASSING WHAT WILL HELP IN THE SITUATION.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ATTEMPTING TO APPROVE A OR TO GIVE YOU A CODE TO REVIEW MM-HMM.
SO WHEN THERE ARE CONDITIONS LIKE THIS, THERE'S ICE, IT'S, IT'S HAZARDOUS.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING, I THINK MEETING WITH THE STATE AND SEEKING THAT THEY DO SOMETHING IS THE BEST ROUTE.
WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE I'M, I'M SORRY.
YOU COULD GO IN A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS.
IF IT'S A STATE ROAD AND THERE'S ICING.
WE CAN GO OUT AND OUR TRUCKS CAN, OH, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN CONSULTING, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY ON TOP OF SALTING UHHUH.
THEY'VE BEEN TREATING THE ROADS.
AND THAT THERE'S TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SALT OUT THERE NOW.
BUT, AND EVENTUALLY THAT'S GONNA GET INTO OUR STORM DRAINS AND, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
RIGHT? YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE, THE, THE, IF THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE? IF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLS, POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLS US, WE RESPOND.
AVAILABLE FROM HIGHWAY AND WATER DEPARTMENT, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOUR PROPOSED LEGISLATION WILL BE, UH, READY TO BE PUT ON AN AGENDA? WELL, I COULD HAVE A DRAFT TO YOU, UH, WITHIN THE WEEK, AND THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 22ND.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE COULD POST A NOTICE FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO MARCH, MARCH PUBLIC HEARING.
JUST IN TIME FOR THE, FOR THE TEMPERATURE TO BE FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY ABOVE FREEZING.
I, I, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S A MIS THERE WILL BE A MISCONCEPTION THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOW KICKING IN A LAW, THAT IT MEANS THAT THERE IS NO RESPONSIBLE PARTY NOW THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSING THIS BECAUSE, OH, THE TOWN AFTER THE FACT IS, IS DRAFTING A LAW, THIS IS SOMETHING BASICALLY FOR NEXT YEAR SHOULD THE STATE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SHORTAGE OF PERSONNEL OR WHATEVER.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A STATE ROAD.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN BECAUSE IT'S FRUSTRATING.
'CAUSE WE'RE HERE LOCALLY DEALING WITH THE ISSUE.
AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE AND NOT BE EMPOWERED OR HAVE JURISDICTION TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT I'M HOPING TOMORROW, UM, THE STATE WILL RECOGNIZE IF THEY'RE THERE, THEY MIGHT AS WELL TAKE ACTION.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME OUT AND SEE IT.
THEY'LL SEE IT, THEY'LL KNOW THAT THERE'S A SERIOUS ISSUE AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS IT.
NEXT WE HAVE AARON HART, UH, HARTS BROOKS MEET YOU PRESERVE.
IS THERE I COULD GET PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN? SURE.
ARE WE HAVING ANYBODY COME IN FROM OUTSIDE? UM, ON ZOOM, FRANCIS? WHAT'S THAT? WE HAD ALICIA JACOBS IN FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, I'M GONNA DO YOUR PRESENTATION FROM THERE.
YOU NEED TO, SHOULD I MOVE? I CAN MOVE.
I CAN YOU, YOU NEED TO SAY YES TO THE PROMPTER.
I DIDN'T HAVE A PROMPT FOR IT.
I CAN COME AND SIT AT THE TABLE IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM HERE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING GETS WHATEVER.
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THINK YOU WAITED TOO LONG.YOU SEE IT? I DON'T YOU'RE ERR, AREN'T YOU? YES, I AM.
SHOULD IT BE JUST APPEARING? IT SAYS YOU DECLINED.
IT MUST BE, IS IT SHOWING UP ON YOUR PHONE? NO, 'CAUSE I, I LOGGED OUT ON MY PHONE.
I, I MANAGED TO GET MY COMPUTER TO USE MY PHONE AS A HOT SPOT, BUT IT'S, I'M NOT SEEING A PROMPT.
IS THERE A CHAT FEATURE? UH OH, THERE IT IS.
WAIT, WELL NOW I'M ALLOWING YOU TO TALK, SO IT'S GETTING TO YOU.
BUT I NEED TO, AND YOU'RE NOT SEEING A PROMPT RIGHT NOW.
FRANCIS, CAN YOU AUTHORIZE ME TO SIGN IN? BECAUSE, UH, I'M, I JUST CAME FROM THE EYE DOCTOR, SO I'M NOT SEEING WELL, SO, OH, I WOULD LIKE TO WATCH ON THE, DO DO YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE SIGN ON THAT WE CAN GIVE TO COUNCILWOMAN? SIGN ON? YES.
UM, I SIGNED ON AS PANELISTS, BUT I DON'T SEE THE SHARE SCREEN HERE.
UH, JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A PANELIST, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
IF FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T, THEN I'LL JUST COME TO THE TABLE.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO SIGN INTO THE GREENBERG AND IT'S NOT LETTING ME SO, AND TO GREENBERG.
I'M NOT, HE'S HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING ME.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZOOM.
WHICH ONE? OR MAKE THIS FULL SCREEN.
OH, YOU HAVE TO GO IN WITH YOUR COMPUTER.
YOU HAVE TO GO IN WITH AN ACCOUNT.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU CAN ON YOUR COMPUTER.
ALLOW YOUR COMPUTER TO BE ABLE TO SHARE.
WANTS ME TO GIVE A PASSWORD? SORRY.
SO YOU GOT IT ON, ON, THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE THAT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO.
RIGHT? THIS IS MY HUSBAND'S COMPUTER, SO I'M NOT YEAH, I SENT HIM TO THE INVITATION, BUT HE DECLINED.
YEAH, IT'S, I NEED TO GRANT PERMISSION.
WELL, IF ALAN'S GONNA SIGN IN, SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE IT.
WELL, GARRETT'S HERE OR THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD USE THEIR MACHINE.
IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL HIM WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PRESENT.
I WILL EMAIL IT RIGHT NOW FROM THIS ONE.
GARY, ARE YOU IN THE BUILDING? YES, I'M UPSTAIRS.
COULD I GET YOUR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE? WELL, DO YOU HAVE IT ON A THUMB DRIVE? DO THE PRESENTATION? I DO, I DO.
I CAN RUN IT UP TO HIM IF YOU'D LIKE.
HE'LL COME DOWN AND GET IT AND BRING IT UP THERE.
MY, THE SCREEN ON MY LAPTOP DIED.
SO THIS IS MY HUSBAND'S AND I AM, I DON'T KNOW THE, MAYBE I CAN JUST BRING IT.
I I KNOW THERE'S NOT, CAN YOU JUST SEND ME THE LINK AGAIN? MAYBE IT'S OH, SURE.
TO RECORD ANY DECISIONS? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, UH, MM-HMM.
DID WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TODAY? GO INTO SECOND SESSION.
I WAS, I THOUGHT I HAD EVERYTHING ALL PREPARED HERE AND IT'S JUST THAT'S FINE.
OF COURSE, I HAVE TWO FACTOR ON ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, SO.
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ALL RIGHT.IT SHOULD BE AT THE TOP OF YOUR LIST NOW.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, AGAIN, GET GARRETT TO HELP ME.
YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT TO DO TONIGHT.
DID YOU GET THE EMAIL? I GOT THE EMAIL FROM HIM TRYING TO SIGN IN.
I'LL JUST GO DOWN ABOUT A HALF A PAGE AND THE LINK IS THERE.
THAT MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE ZOOM INSTALLED ON THAT COMPUTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT WORKING ON ZOOM.
I GUESS I'LL JUST, I'LL, I'LL JUST ASK GARRETT TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES.
UM, AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO FULL SCREEN GARRETT SO WE CAN READ THE WHOLE SLIDE? THIS WHOLE THING? VERY, WE GOOD? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO, UM, I HOPE I CAN HELP MAKE UP FOR THE LAST TIME HERE I COME BEARING GIFTS.
UM, I WANNA JUST OPEN WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY FROM THE TOWN AT ALL.
SO PLEASE REST ASSURED, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR TOWN RESOURCES.
WE ARE COME, WE ARE HERE TO WE, I AM HERE TO PRESENT AN ONGOING PROJECT THAT WILL NATURALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH MARION WOODS.
WHILE SERVING A MUCH LARGER MISSION AND A LONG-TERM LEGACY INITIATIVE FOR THE TOWN.
UH, THE NEW YORK STATE PARKS AND THE TRUST REPUBLIC LANDS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
CURRENTLY, OUR IMMEDIATE OBJECTIVE IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE SISTERS WHILE PREVENTING REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT IN HARTSBURG.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR RESOURCES.
WE'RE HERE TO RAISE AWARENESS AND BROADEN THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND BUILD A LEGACY FOR THE TOWN.
YOUR SUPPORT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO US FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT IT'S A COHESIVE MESSAGE THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE STATE SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND IT HELPS US WHEN WE SEEK MORE FUNDING AND MORE, UM, ASSISTANCE FROM THE FEDERAL AGENCY LEVEL AND ALSO FROM PHILANTHROPIC ASSISTANCE.
UM, I'LL BE PRESENTING OUR NONPROFIT MISSION.
AND THE REASON I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE THAT I'M BELABORING THE, THE ISSUE OF THE MISSION IS BECAUSE I'VE RECENTLY LEARNED, WHEN YOU START A NONPROFIT, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR MISSION AND PURPOSE VERY CLEARLY.
AND UNDER STATE AND FEDERAL LAW, YOU HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THAT OPERATING MISSION.
IF YOU OPERATE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OR FAIL TO OPERATE WITHIN THOSE BOUNDS, THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL REVOKE INVOLUNTARILY REVOKE YOUR NONPROFIT STATUS.
SO I'M ONLY MENTIONING THIS BECAUSE IF YOU HEAR ME CONTINUE TO INVOKE THE WORD MISSION, IT'S BECAUSE THIS ENTIRE PROJECT AND THE FRAMEWORK HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO STAY VERY CLOSELY INTO THE CONFINES OF OUR NONPROFIT MISSION.
AND IT'S BEEN DESIGNED AS A ONE, YOU KNOW, TWO BIRDS, ONE STONE.
SO I CAN DO ALL OF THIS STUFF TO HELP WITH ONE AGENCY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS, BUT, SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.
ALL OF THIS STUFF IS, UM, OPERATING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR NONPROFIT.
AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, AND WOULD LOVE TO, UH, DISCUSS OTHER PROJECTS AT OTHER TIMES THAT WE COULD DO WITH THE TOWN.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS TO BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS IS A PROJECT ALREADY UNDERWAY AND THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE PARAMETERS ARE WITHIN THE STRICT BOUNDARIES OF OUR MISSION, AND THE STATE AND T P O ARE SUPPORTING THAT.
AND I CAN'T CHANGE IT AT THIS POINT.
SO THE BACKGROUND ON HARTSBURG, JUST FOR ANYONE WHO ISN'T AWARE, AND I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF YOU WERE ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND AND INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING THE PRESERVE, SO I WON'T MAKE THIS TOO LONG.
IN 1998, WHEN IT WAS FINALIZED, 50% STATE, 25% WESTCHESTER, 25% TOWN, THE CHURCH WAS PERMITTED TO RETAIN AN INHOLDING, WHICH I'VE OUTLINED IN THIS PRETTY PINK COLOR.
UM, THEY NOW ARE SEEKING TO SUBDIVIDE AND SELL 1.4 ACRES, INCLUDING THE MANSION, BECAUSE THEY'RE FRANKLY REALLY OUT OF MONEY.
UM, WE BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS IS AN ACT OF DESPERATION ON THEIR PART, AND WE FEEL FOR THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO DO THIS IF THEY WEREN'T REALLY IN NEED OF THE MONEY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR INITIAL MORAL IMPERATIVES, IS TO TRY TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT THE SISTERS HAVE, BUT TRY TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES THE TOWN INVESTMENT.
AND THE PRESERVE PRESERVES THE, THE TOWN'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE ZONING LAW.
SO THE CURRENT PROPOSALS, THEIR CURRENT APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION INCLUDES A GREAT DEAL OF VERY, VERY SERIOUS VARIANCES.
UM, AND IT FURTHER SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL.
IT CREATES ANOTHER LOT, OBVIOUSLY THE METHODS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL INSTRUMENTS THAT THE STATE HAS THE ABILITY TO DO, WHERE WE WOULD JUST SUBSUME THAT PARCEL BACK INTO THE STATE.
PART OF THE PROPERTY BECOMES STATE PARK LAND,
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THEIR PART OF THE OWNERSHIP.UM, AND IT JUST BECOMES PARKLAND.
IT DOESN'T BECOME REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
THE UPSIDE TO THAT, OF COURSE, IS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL FOLD, WHICH I CAN GO INTO, BUT IT, IT ADDRESSES THE SISTER'S NEEDS IMMEDIATELY.
IT GIVES THEM CAPITAL INFUSION, BUT IT AVOIDS PUTTING A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT IN A, IN A WILDLIFE PRESERVE.
IT ALSO PRESERVES THE TOWN'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE ZONING CODE BECAUSE OF THESE VARIANCES THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR BY NECESSITY ARE, ARE PRETTY SEVERE.
IT, IT WOULD, IT MIGHT FORCE THE TOWN TO HAVE TO GRANT THOSE SAME SEVERE VARIANCES FOR OTHER APPLICANTS.
IN THE FUTURE, WE WANNA TRY TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHT TO ENFORCE ZONING CODE.
UM, I CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, HOW IS IT THAT THIS, THAT YOUR PROPOSAL, THAT, THAT THIS, AND MAYBE IF YOU GET TO IT FURTHER INTO YOUR PRESENTATION, JUST LET JUST SAY THAT.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T UN I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING GETS THE SISTERS ANY MONEY.
SO, UM, THE CURRENT CHURCH PLAN, AND I I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE PATH OF LEASE RESISTANCE AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED, THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS EXIST.
AND BECAUSE FRANKLY, BEFORE THIS HAPPENED, WE DIDN'T EXIST.
UM, THEY JUST GOT TO SUBDIVIDED SO THEY CAN GET THE MONEY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE CURRENT PLAN, AS IT STANDS TEMPORARILY SOLVES THE, THE SISTERS' PROBLEMS, BUT IT CREATES MORE FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE.
AND IT CREATES A WHOLE OTHER LIST OF PROBLEMS FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, THE ENVIRONMENT, THE TOWN AND THEIR SISTERS THEMSELVES.
IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS, THAT THIS PLAN, IT REALLY IS HEARTBREAKING.
IT DIVIDES THEM FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY, THAT THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T LIKE THIS IDEA OF SUBDIVISION.
AND IT PUTS THE SISTERS AT ODDS WITH THEM.
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE SISTERS.
IT ALSO, IT MEANS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MEMORIAL THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT SITE.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE MANSION.
THERE'S A MEMORIAL FOR ALL OF THE SISTERS THAT HAVE PASSED AWAY.
AND IF THIS GOES TO PRIVATE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT THAT'LL BE DESTROYED OR PULLED UP OR REMOVED, THAT HAS TO BE HEARTBREAKING FOR THEM AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THIS ACTUALLY PLACES THEM IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO A STATEMENT MADE BY POPE FRANCIS IN THE HOLY SEA IN 2015.
AND ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES DO I BELIEVE THAT THE SISTERS WOULD DO SOMETHING IN OPPOSITION TO THE HOLY SEA, UNLESS THEY ABSOLUTELY HAD TO.
SO OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS NOT ONLY TO STOP THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HARM THE PRESERVE, BUT ALSO TO HELP THEM, THEY NEED HELP.
SO THIS IS HOW ALSO THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL EDGE EFFECT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IT PRESERVES THE, THIS, IT GIVES THEM CAPITAL INFUSION.
SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION VERY QUICKLY, AND THEN I'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON THIS.
I AM PARTNERING WITH NEW YORK STATE AND THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS.
THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS IS A LAND TRUST THAT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING THE PRESERVE BACK IN 1998.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE CAPITAL INFUSION TO PURCHASE THE PARK PARCEL, AND THEN MY NON-PROFIT WOULD ENTER INTO A REPAYMENT AGREEMENT WITH T P L.
AND SO THE LAND WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO BACK TO THE STATE PARK, IT WOULD BECOME PARKLAND.
THE SISTERS WOULD GET THEIR MONEY, AND HOPEFULLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THAT WOULD BE LONG TERM.
SO IF AND WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO GET TO MOVE ON FROM THEIR 10 ACRE PARCEL, WE WOULD HAVE THE MEANS TO ENTER INTO ANOTHER AGREEMENT WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
IT GIVES US TIME AND IT GIVES US RUNWAY, UM, FOR ME TO DEVELOP MORE PHILANTHROPIC INFUSE INFUSION AND ALSO THROUGH THE OPERATION OF OUR NONPROFIT, WHICH I'LL ALSO EXPLAIN, UM, HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THE STATE PARKS? YES, I HAVE THEIR DIRECT SUPPORT.
LINDA COOPER IS DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THIS.
SO, AND I'LL GO INTO THAT AS WELL.
THE, THE CAPITAL INFUSION PROVIDES FOR THE, FOR THE SISTERS, IT PREVENTS THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
IT PRESERVES THE TOWN'S ABILITY TO, UM, MAINTAIN THEIR ZONING, UM, ENFORCEMENT IN ADDITION TO WHICH IT PLACES US IN A POSITION TO LIFT BURDEN FROM THE TOWN.
SO NOT ONLY ARE WE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY, WE ARE VOLUNTEERING TO TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF THE RESTORATION LANDMARKING AND MANAGEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE BY FINDING AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR IT, FUTURE USE FOR IT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO, BY VIRTUE OF OUR OPERATION AS A NONPROFIT, WE WILL BE, UM, PROVIDING EXPERT ASSISTANCE, UH, BOOSTING THE ECOLOGY OF THE PRESERVE ITSELF.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT IS ANOTHER MANAGEMENT BURDEN FOR THE TOWN, IS TRYING REALLY HARD TO KEEP THE PRESERVE HEALTHY.
AND BY VIRTUE OF OUR OPERATION WILL BE DOING THAT THEN.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IN TERMS OF YOU, SO LET'S SAY THE BOARD WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE STEP TWO? BECAUSE EVERYBODY, I DEFINITELY WOULD PRE PREFER SAYING THE LAND, YOU KNOW, PRESERVED OVERSEAS.
I APPRECIATE THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO THE NEXT STEP, IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO AGAIN, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY ONGOING.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN REALLY AMICABLE DISCUSSIONS WITH JOHN KIRKPATRICK THIS ENTIRE TIME.
WE, I'VE GIVEN HIM A VERSION OF THIS DECK.
ALLEN ALLEN IS SEEN, I THINK TOO, AT LEAST NOW VERSIONS OF THIS DECK.
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HE'S AWARE, HE IS ENTHUSIASTIC.HE WANTS TO GET HIS CLIENT'S ASSISTANCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND WHEN I WAS IN THE MEETING WHERE I PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO HIM, I TOLD HIM, AS SOON AS I CAN FIND THE CAPITAL INFUSION TO, TO HELP YOU, WE MAY BE ABLE TO EVEN WITHDRAW YOUR APPLICATION.
SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ZONING VARIANCES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
AND I WILL PERSONALLY REIMBURSE THE SISTERS THEIR APPLICATION FEE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM, AND YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO THAT NEXT STEP HAS ARRIVED.
THE NEXT STEP IS FOR JOHN KIRKPATRICK TO MEET WITH THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS, UH, PROJECT DIRECTOR FRANCIS OSHA, UM, HE'S, WE'RE, HE'S, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SET THAT MEETING UP RIGHT NOW.
APPARENTLY MR. KIRKPATRICK IS OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEK, BUT I, WE'VE ALREADY, UM, PROFFERED AND REQUESTED, UH, A MEETING WITH HIM THAT WAY MR. KIRKPATRICK CAN BEGIN SPEAKING WITH T P L ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS FOR APPRAISAL AND ALL OF THIS STUFF.
SO, TO GET TO THE PURPOSE OF OUR NONPROFIT, I CREATED THIS NONPROFIT TO DO THE THINGS THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO.
I'M FULLY AWARE OF HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY WITH INFLATION AND TO MANAGE THE, THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS INVENTED, WAS TO SAVE THE PARCEL, PREVENT REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT THERE, BUT ALSO GIVE IT BACK TO THE PRESERVE, HELP THE SISTERS.
AND THEN I SAW IT VERY QUICKLY THAT THERE WERE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT I COULD COVER UNDER THE BROADER SCOPE OF A REAL NON-PROFIT MISSION THAT WASN'T JUST JUST ABOUT THE SISTERS IN THE PRESERVE.
MY BACKGROUND IS IN BIOLOGY, AND SO THIS WAS A NATURAL EXTENSION.
UM, WHAT TO, TO WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
GO, GO AHEAD AND PAGE FORWARD FOR ME, GARRETT.
UM, THE NAME OF THE NONPROFIT IS HARTSDALE ECOLOGY RESEARCH OBSERVATORY.
THE ACRONYM IS HERO AND PAGE ONE.
UM, I VERY SPECIFICALLY CHOSE HARTSDALE AND NOT HARTS, OR FRANKLY EVEN HART, WHICH IS MY LAST NAME BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD LEGACY FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE SCOPE AND MISSION OF THE ECOLOGY, UM, UH, OBSERVATORY IS TO PARTNER WITH GLOBAL ECOLOGY RESEARCHERS.
I ALREADY HAVE PARTNERS IN, UH, NEW ZEALAND, SOUTH AFRICA AND THE UK.
ON THURSDAY, I'M MEETING WITH THE CALDER CENTER, UM, UP FOR FORDHAM.
I'M SPEAKING WITH THE AMERICAN MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY, AND I'M SPEAKING TO THE CAREY INSTITUTE UPSTATE AS WELL.
THE PURPOSE IS TO START INSTALLING LONG-TERM CLIMATE SURVEILLANCE INSTRUMENTATION AND DOING LONG-TERM DATA STUDIES THAT CAN BE COLLECTED, COLLATED COMPARED AND CONTRASTED TO HELP WITH THE GLOBAL IDEA OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE WITH GLOBAL WARMING.
THERE ARE OBSERVATORIES ALREADY IN PLACE THAT ARE DOING THIS.
LAMONT DOHERTY, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH COLUMBIA.
NASA'S DOING THIS CLEARLY IN THE AMAZON.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH REGARD TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND BECAUSE SCIENCE IS MY WHEELHOUSE AND I HAD THESE ACADEMIC AND INSTITUTIONAL CONNECTIONS AND GLOBAL CONNECTIONS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO START USING THE, THE PRESERVE AS OUR FIRST FIELD STATION FOR ECOLOGY RESEARCH AND THEN PARTNERING WITH PARTNERS GLOBALLY.
IT EXPANDS THE PRACTICES, IT EXPANDS THE DATA SET, IT EXPANDS THE KNOWLEDGE BASE.
IT STARTS GETTING THE NAME GREENBERG AND HARTSDALE, LITERALLY INTO GLOBAL PAPERS, PUBLICATIONS, WITH REGARD TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
AND IT REALLY CREATES A LEGACY FOR THIS TOWN.
I'M PROUD OF THIS TOWN, AND WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME WHY I'M DOING THIS, IT'S BECAUSE 24 YEARS AGO, MY PREDECESSORS, YOU GUYS DID THE SAME THING.
IT'S MY GENERATION'S TURN, AND I HAVE THE BACKGROUND AND I HAVE THE ENERGY SO FAR,
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M COMMITTED TO.
SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR LEGACY AS WELL.
BUT THE NATURAL, BECAUSE IT'S A SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION, CONDUCTING RESEARCH IN THE FIELD NATURALLY RAISES THE HEALTH LEVEL OF THE PRESERVE BECAUSE MY SCIENTISTS ARE EXPERTS.
AND THEN FOLLOWING WITH THAT, UM, YOU ASKED ABOUT COMMISSIONER OR THE DIRECTOR COOPER, DIRECTOR COOPER IS VERY AWARE OF THIS AND SHE'S IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT.
AND I HAVE A QUOTE FROM HER TOO, JUST TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S AWARE OF WHERE HER POSITION IS.
THE STATE IS INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH T P L AND HELPING YOU FIND A RESOLUTION THAT MEETS EVERYONE'S NEEDS WITHOUT PLACING REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT ON OUR DOORSTEP IN A WILDLIFE PRESERVE.
IN FURTHERANCE OF HER SUPPORT, SHE'S HELPING IDENTIFY FUNDING STREAMS THROUGH THE HUGE BILLS THAT WERE JUST PASSED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT IN ADDITION TO STATE AGENCIES AND ALSO OUR GREATEST GIFT, JOSH DELA, HE IS THE, UH, THE WILDLIFE AND NATIONAL RESOURCES MANAGER, THE NATURALIST FOR ROCKEFELLER STATE PARK.
HE WAS REFERRED TO ME BY GEORGE CAMINA WONDERFULLY.
UM, JOSH IS NOW ONE OF MY FOUNDING BOARD MEMBERS.
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HE IS, HE HAS AN INCREDIBLE FUND OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ECOLOGY AND CONSERVATION, AND LINDA HAS PUT HER SUPPORT BEHIND HIM EXTENDING HIS PURVIEW AND HIS FUNCTIONS INTO HARTSBURG TO BEGIN A RAPID ECOLOGY ASSESSMENT, WHICH HE'S ALREADY STARTED DOING.AND HE'S, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH PARKS, UM, ON WEDNESDAY.
AND JOSH HAS VOLUNTEERED TO ASSIST THE COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSIONER AND DEPUTY COMMISSIONER WITH TRYING TO GET THE NEW PARKS MANAGERS UP AND RUNNING AND, AND VOLUNTEERING TO TRAIN THEM, VOLUNTEERING TO CROSS TRAIN THEM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S ALL AT NO COST TO THE TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE, INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS JUST, UH, REFRESHING MY MEMORY, UH, WHEN HARTSBURG WAS FIRST THOUGHT OF AS A POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, PARK.
YEAH, YOU SAID THAT OVER 24 YEARS AGO.
RIGHT? THE, THE PERSON WHO, UH, AND I, I'M, I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER HIS NAME.
UM, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO CAME HERE AND HIS SON IS NOW A UNITED STATES CONGRESSMAN.
UH, I DO, DO YOU REMEMBER, UH, THAT NO, MOSTLY IT WAS RICHARD PRESSER.
THAT WAS, IT WAS BEFORE RICHARD PRESSER.
UH, THERE WAS SOMEBODY SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REACH, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL FIND OUT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, HE JUST GOT ELECTED LIKE TWO YEARS AGO.
I THINK HE'S IN LIKE CHICAGO OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDWEST.
HE SPOKE AT WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
BUT THIS WAS DEF HE BASICALLY CAME IN AND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A, JOHN KIRKPATRICK HAD PROPOSED A, UM, LIKE A CON YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, PROJECT AND, AND YOU KNOW, HE WAS LIKE REALLY UPSET.
AND THEN, UM, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE, HE WAS WORKING OUT, YOU REMEMBER, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL THINK OF THE NAME I REALLY APPRECIATE, BUT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA WORK WITH YOU ON THIS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON I'M HERE.
UM, IT'S IN ADDITION TO WHICH I SHOWED YOU OUR WEBPAGE, AND YOU CAN VISIT THE WEBSITE NOW.
IT'S BEING CONSTANTLY UPDATED.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS I, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO YOU STARTED THIS OFF BY SAYING YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES.
UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO AFFECT ZONING.
SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE ASKING, ASKING, ASKING FOR US? I JUST, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR IS IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, WE WOULD LOVE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THOUGH? WE WOULD LOVE A RESOLUTION AND SUPPORT OF OUR EFFORTS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE STATE AND THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS TO TRY TO SOLVE ALL OF THESE ISSUES WITHOUT COM CAUSING HARM TO ANYONE.
AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN RETURN FOR FAIR COMPENSATION? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MR. KIRKPATRICK AND T P L NEED TO DISCUSS.
THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT OF THE PARCEL AND MEAN TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR, THIS WOULD BE A VERY UPFRONT AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS OF GETTING THEM THE COMPENSATION THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
NO ONE'S TRYING TO SHORTCHANGE THE SISTERS.
SO IT'S, AND SO IF, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPENSATED, THAT MEANS THERE'LL BE NO DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY SOLD TO THE STATE OF NEW YORK, AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BECOME PARKLAND.
SO THAT VERY FIRST GRAPHIC THAT I SHOWED YOU, RATHER THAN THE PARCEL BEING SUBDIVIDED AS A PRIVATE LOT, IT WOULD LITERALLY BE SUBSUMED BACK INTO THE PARK AND THE BOUNDARY LINE WOULD JUST SIMPLY CHANGE TO, IN TO, TO GIVE THAT PARCEL BACK TO THE PARK.
THE QUESTION OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BROACH, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP RECENTLY.
MR. KIRKPATRICK WAS KIND ENOUGH TO INCLUDE ME ON HIS REQUEST TO FURTHER POSTPONE HIS D B A APPLICATION BECAUSE APPARENTLY THERE'S BEEN A WATERLINE BREAK IN, IN THE HOUSE, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE.
THE QUESTION OF THE, THE, THE HOUSE'S STATUS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN SAVE IT IS ON THE TABLE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE, BUT THE REASON THAT WE ARE EVEN INVOLVED WITH THE STRUCTURE IS BECAUSE IT'S THERE.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP, AGAIN, LIFT BURDEN FROM THE TOWN.
BY TAKING THAT ON, IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO US THAT THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, AND THE STATE DON'T WANNA TAKE ON ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
SO AGAIN, WE CREATED THE NONPROFIT TO FILL IN THE BLANKS WHERE THE MUNICIPALITIES COULDN'T DO THE LIFTING.
AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THESE ROBUST FUNDING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTIONS WORKING AGAINST GLOBAL WARMING, AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE MY WHEELHOUSE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S STRUCTURED AS AN ECOLOGY NONPROFIT.
I, I FOUND THE NAME OF THE CONGRESSMAN.
SEAN CASTEN, AND, AND IT'S, UH, C A S T E N.
HIS FATHER WAS, UH, LUKE ON RIDGE ROAD.
TOM CASTEN, WASN'T HE? WHEN, YEAH.
AND HE WAS A GRADUATE OF, UM, WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHILE WE COULD DO, WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REALLY, UH, MOVING THIS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD INVITE HIM, UM, YOU KNOW, TO LIKE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING.
WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND THE NEXT STEP INDICATED STEP IS YOU WERE ASKING IS FOR
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TPL L TO MEET WITH MR. KIRKPATRICK, AND SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.I'M ALREADY SEEKING, UH, FISCAL SPONSORSHIP SO I CAN BEGIN FUNDRAISING.
I OBVIOUSLY AM SEEKING THESE INSTITUTIONAL PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE THE SOONER WE PUBLISH, THE SOONER WE GET MORE EXPOSURE BACK TO ON OUR WEBPAGE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE THE TOWN BOARD IF YOU, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO HELP SUPPORT US.
I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE, THERE'S AN ENTIRE LEGACY PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THE PRESERVE, THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, COMMITTEE TO SAVE GEMAN ALL OF THE, THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT GREENBERG, THE LEGACY OF GREENBERG, ESPECIALLY IF WE WERE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS, COULD BE AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW A MUNICIPALITY CAN CONTRIBUTE VERY MEANINGFULLY TO WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THE GLOBAL WARMING IS THE CAUSE CELEB OF THE 20TH AND 21ST CENTURY AND WILL BE FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES GOING FORWARD.
AND BEING ABLE TO MAKE A FOOTPRINT LIKE THAT THAT'S BASED IN JUST THIS LITTLE SMALL TOWN IN WESTCHESTER IS, IT'S IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, COLD SPRING HARBOR USED TO BE A WHALING VILLAGE, AND NOW IT'S THE CENTER OF MOLECULAR BIOLOGY IN THE WORLD.
SO WE GOT A LETTER FROM, UH, MARY JANE CHIMPSKY, THE ASSEMBLY WOMAN.
SO SHE JUST SENT IT A FEW SECONDS AGO.
SAYING, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GREAT.
BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE, THIS IS.
I REALLY AM, BUT THE, THIS IS, WHAT IS THE, THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS? THIS IS THE BUT ALL SO FAR I'VE OKAY.
HAVEN'T SEEN, WELL, WE'VE HAD TO JUMP AROUND A BIT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN ADVANCE.
AND YEAH, I'M SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO WE'VE ALL LEARNED, YOU KNOW, ANY OF US THAT DEAL WITH LAND USE, IT'S REALLY IN THE DETAILS.
WHAT DOCUMENTS ARE GONNA BE SIGNED, WHAT AGREEMENTS ARE GONNA BE MADE, AND WE DON'T NEED ANY ASSISTANCE FROM YOU FOR THAT.
THAT'S ALL TAKING PLACE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE STATE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO IS SUPPORT RIGHT NOW THE CONCEPT THAT YOU HAVE.
AND THEN WE COULD BASICALLY ALWAYS, UH, NO, TO BE CLEAR, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE PROJECT IS ALREADY GOING FORWARD.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU WANT US TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
WELL, I'M EXPLAINING IT AND BECAUSE I CAN'T CONTROL THE DECK, I'M JUST, YEAH.
SO WHAT IT IS BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL, I CREATED A NONPROFIT TO FILL IN THE BLANKS WHERE THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY CANNOT AFFORD TO DO SO.
AND IT'S TAKEN ME THIS LONG BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LOT TO DEVELOP.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS AS MUCH OF A CATCHALL LEGALLY WITHIN THE VERY STRICT BOUNDARIES OF A MISSION OF A NONPROFIT MISSION.
AND I'M HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT BY THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO IN ORDER TO STRUCTURE THIS AND THEN FIND THE SUPPORT FROM THE STATE AND FROM T P L, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION WITH PHILANTHROPIC, UM, DONORS THAT THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO AND A BOARD THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO, THIS HAD TO BE A STRONG PACKAGE THAT HAD A, A GOOD DEGREE OF SUCCESS BUILT INTO IT.
SO IT'S TAKEN SOME TIME FOR ME TO DEVELOP IT, AND I CHOSE NOT TO BURDEN THIS BOARD WITH IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA BRING YOU THIS PILE OF PROBLEMS. I WANTED TO BRING YOU A SOLUTION THAT ALREADY HAD A TRACK LAID FOR IT.
SO REALLY THIS IS AN ECOLOGY NONPROFIT THAT WAS BUILT AND DESIGNED TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE SISTERS, SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE TOWN, LIFT THE BURDEN OF THE TOWN, SERVE THE ECOLOGY NEEDS OF THE PRESERVE WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY OR MAN HOURS OR ANYTHING FROM THE, FROM THE TOWN.
AND, AND INSTALL A LEGACY FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND NOT BUILD ANYTHING ON THE SITE.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE UNABLE TO SAVE THE MANSION, AND WE WILL TRY, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MADE CLEAR TO US THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN TO SAVE AND LANDMARK THE MANSION.
SO WE ARE UNDERTAKING THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN THAT'S PART OF OUR MISSION, LIFTING THE BURDEN FOR THE TOWN.
IF FOR SOME REASON IT IS UNSAVABLE, AND THAT WOULD BE REALLY HEARTBREAKING, I NEED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT OUR, OUR MISSION, OUR PURPOSE AND OUR WORK IS NOT TIED TO THE PRESENCE OF THE MANSION.
IF THE MANSION IS NOT SAVEABLE AND THEY, THEY DETERMINE TO DEMOLISH IT, THAT PARCEL WILL BE REWILD NOTHING.
WHO, WHO, WHO'S THEY? UH, THE, THE SISTERS, THE SISTERS OF MERCY WHO CURRENTLY OWN THE PAR THE STRUCTURE.
IF IT HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED, NOTHING WILL BE BUILT THERE.
BUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN MR. KIRKPATRICK AND T P L SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN HASHING OUT THE VERY LONG DETAILS OF HOW MUCH, WHEN, HOW, ET CETERA.
AND THEN MY INSTITUTION IS IN PLACE TO PARTNER WITH THE STATE, FIND THE FUNDING THROUGH STATE STREAMS AND PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY TO FILL IN THE BLANKS THERE.
YOU WOULDN'T NEED ANY KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE LOCATION? NO, NO.
AND THE, THE, THE GOAL HOPEFULLY IS IF THE MANSION IS SAVEABLE WOULD BE TO USE THE MANSION AS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BASE.
IF THAT WERE NOT POSSIBLE, IF THE MANSION WERE REMOVED.
THE FACT IS BECAUSE I'M IN AN ECOLOGY NONPROFIT AND I'M A FIELD STATION, WE DO FIELD RESEARCH.
I DON'T CARE WHERE MY ROOF IS.
I CAN DO IT FOR MY LIVING ROOM TECHNICALLY, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE
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TO MAKE A CURRENT USE FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BURDENING THE PROPERTY OR THE ECOLOGY BY BUILDING ANYTHING NEW.
WE WANT TO USE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE IN LONG, LONG TERM.
THERE'S ANOTHER VERY OUTSIDE SCENARIO.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, HARRY POTTER WAVED HIS WAND AND I RAN INTO A PHILANTHROPIST THAT SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE JUST SOLVE ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS ALL AT ONCE.
WE'LL BUY THE WHOLE PARCEL, LET THEM STAY AS LONG AS THEY WANT.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU CAN TURN THAT 50 BED FACILITY INTO A MUCH MORE ROBUST FIELD STATION.
SOMETHING THAT'S GOT MORE LABORATORY CAPACITY, SOMETHING THAT LETS ME PROCESS LAND AND AIR SAMPLES FASTER.
I HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS DECK, THE NAMES OF MY BOARD MEMBERS, JOSH IS OBVIOUSLY ON THERE.
UM, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES FROM MY INFECTIOUS DISEASE RESEARCH DAYS IS, IS ALSO ONE OF MY FOUNDING MEMBERS.
AND AS NOT A BOARD MEMBER, BUT AN ADVISOR BECAUSE HE IS, IS FRANKLY A FAMILY MEMBER.
UM, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHEAST LAND TRUST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND HE'S AN EXPERT AT EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT FOR NONPROFITS, PARTICULARLY WITH CONSERVATION.
AND HE'LL BE ADVISING ME AND HELPING ME BUILD AN EXECUTIVE BOARD.
AND THE REALLY IMPORTANT THING IS TOO, THAT I'M A BIOLOGIST.
I'M NOT A NONPROFIT EXECUTIVE AND I'M AWARE THAT THIS IS A VERY TENDER THING AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING POORLY.
I WILL BE SEEKING EXPERT LEADERSHIP FOR THIS, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO STEP BACK AND ALLOW THEM TO RUN IT ON AN EXPERT LEVEL.
I THINK THAT IS, SEEMS VERY EXCITING.
AND THAT'S SO ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR, IF YOU, IF YOU SEE FIT, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT ON YOUR OWN, YOU HAVE THE MATERIALS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME AT ANY TIME.
I I AM JUST STANDING UP EMAILS FOR THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
BUT, UM, AND ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ON, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO REFER YOU TO THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN LAW THAT, WHICH I CERTAINLY AM NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND USE AND WHATNOT THAT CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO THIS RESOLUTION SOLUTION YES.
THAT YOU ARE ASKING, IS THERE A DATE CERTAIN ABOUT THAT YOU WANT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WANNA BUY OR IT, I, I'M, I'M, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF, OF BUILDING THE, THE FUNDING STREAMS CURRENTLY.
SO WHENEVER YOU ARE ABLE, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE GREAT FOR ME, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PRESSURE YOU INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO DO.
WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE THE MATERIALS, IS THE MATERIALS, THE, THE SUDDEN TOTAL OF THE MATERIALS IS THIS POWERPOINT? THIS IS THE MOST DISTINCT VERSION OF IT, TO BE FRANK.
UM, AND IT'S, I'M, I'M NOT REALLY THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO LOOKS FOR SUCCINCT.
I I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE DETAILS.
YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
INCLUDING THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING US.
THE DIRECTOR OF T P L, THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR FOR STATE PARKS, LINDA COOPER.
AND, AND THAT WILL, THE ZONING WILL BE PRESERVED AND THERE'LL BE NO DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN HERE.
THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S CENTRAL TO OUR ENTIRE PURPOSE.
SO MAYBE WHAT YOU SHOULD REALLY DO IS GIVE US LIKE A LABORATORIES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTDOOR LABORATORIES? YES.
AND THE WORD LABORATORY ALSO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A NEW USE FOR EXISTING STRUCTURES.
IF WE NEEDED LABORATORY INSTRUMENTATION, WE WOULD DO THAT IN AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING ANYTHING FOR THAT.
AND SO THE, THE, WOULD THIS THEN BE, UM, A STATE PARK ADJACENT TO A TOWN PARK? YES.
YEAH, IT WOULD, WOULD, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IF WE'RE USING STATE PARK FUNDING MM-HMM.
THEY WOULD, IT WOULD JUST ADD TO THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY OWN MM-HMM.
UM, AND I CAN GET MORE REFINED DEFINITIONS ACTUALLY THE STATE PARK ALREADY? YES.
SO IT'S JUST THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE PARCEL.
THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS STILL STATE PARK? NOT, NO, NO.
THE PARTS WITH THE PRIVATE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL STATE PARK LAND NO, NO.
THE, THE UN HOLDING THAT'S IN, IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS PRIVATELY HELD BY THE SISTERS.
IT'S RIGHT WHEN WE BROUGHT IT, IT BASICALLY WAS, THAT WAS EXCLUDED FROM, RIGHT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SORT OF WONDERING AS A FOLLOW UP TO FRANCIS'S, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS MAYBE.
SO LIKE A, A NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF YOU COULD LIKE WRITE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY IN THE BOARD COULD SAY, SO THEN WE COULD, YOU KNOW, READ SOMETHING AND UM, AND THEN THERE'S A COMFORT LEVEL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD WORK WITH SAY LINDA COOPER, UM, AND, AND JUST COME UP WITH A, A WRITTEN PROPOSAL.
AND THEN WE, THEN IT MAKES IT EASIER TO, WILL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE DECK AGAIN.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE MISHMASH 'CAUSE I COULDN'T CONTROL IT FROM HERE.
BUT ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO EXPOUND UPON, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS THERE, THE WHY THAT WE'RE DOING IT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO.
UM, AND THE MECHANISMS BY WHICH THAT THOSE ARE BEING SUGGESTED.
THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THINGS LIKE BOUNDARY REALIGNMENT SLASH LOT LINE
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ADJUSTMENT ON THE STATE LEVEL.I CAN'T SPEAK AUTHORITATIVELY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT A LAND USE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT THAT'S THE MECHANISM THAT THEY WOULD USE THROUGH STATE SOVEREIGNTY.
BUT I CAN BRING THAT TO YOU OR REFER YOU TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AT A, YOUR COMFORT LEVEL.
I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND OPINE ABOUT SOMETHING I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER.
THE, THE, SHE MET WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD ON WEDNESDAY AND THEY, THEY HAD MANY OF THE SAME QUESTIONS.
SO JERRY AND I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS FOR A WHILE WITH AARON, AND SO WE'RE, VE THE PROFESSIONAL GROUP, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT THE ADVISORY BOARD WANTED TO, UH, LOOK OVER ALL THE MATERIAL BEFORE THEY CAME OUT AND THEY CAME OUT WITH THEIR OWN RESOLUTION THAT THEY WOULD THEN SEND TO YOU.
SO I THINK ON OUR NEXT MEETING, AFTER THEY'VE READ THROUGH EVERYTHING, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT FORWARD A RESOLUTION.
IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT'S GONNA BE POSITIVE.
AND AGAIN, SO, SO IF A STATE COMES IN AND THEY COULD USE THEIR, THEIR SUP UH, SUPREMACY OVER TOWN, HOW IS IT THAT WE'RE ASSURED THAT THERE WON'T BE BUILDINGS UNLESS WE SEE THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE STATE IS WILLING TO AGREE TO? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW PIECE OF LAND? RIGHT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE STATE STILL OWNS HALF OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
THAT THAT CREATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, OF, OF CERTAINTY WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THE LAND.
AS I UNDERSTAND, THIS NEW PIECE OF LAND IS GONNA BE DEDICATED PARKLAND ALSO.
SO THAT NEW ONE ACRE OR ONE POINT WHATEVER ACRE IS GONNA BE DEDICATED PARKLAND TOO, WHICH ALSO CREATES A CERTAINTY OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THAT.
THE ENTIRE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PICKED IT UP YET, BUT I, I'M REALLY NOT A BIG FAN OF SEEING FOR THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING OF DETAILS UP ON A POWERPOINT, BELIEVE ME.
AND THEN BE ASKED AND BE TOLD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES.
AND THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO GIVE YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT.
I'D MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS, LET YOU REVIEWED AS LONG AS YOU'D LIKE.
BUT IT HAS LITERALLY BEEN DESIGNED AS SOMETHING THAT ASKS, SOUNDS GREAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T ASK ANYTHING OF THE TOWN.
SO, AND I, AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, THE ADVISORY BOARD HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS.
THEY HAD WANTED THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO REALLY MULL OVER EVERYTHING AND LOOK IT OVER.
UM, BUT ON A SIDE NOTE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH AARON FOR A WHILE ON THIS ISSUE, AND SO HAS JERRY.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE, THERE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PART.
HAS GARRETT BEEN PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS? HAS GARRETT BEEN PART OF GARRETT'S AWARE OF IT? HE'S AWARE OF IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HE'S BEEN IN GARRETT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU PERIPHERAL, BUT YEAH.
YOU'VE BEEN PERIPHERALLY INVOLVED.
I DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF ALL OF THIS PROCESS.
ALSO BECAUSE GARRETT HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH MR. KIRKPATRICK.
YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME ANYTHING HAPPENS, MR. KIRKPATRICK HAS TO NOTIFY GARRETT, SO.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE VERY, VERY SURE THAT I WASN'T TREADING ON TOES OR TRYING TO PUSH OR INFLUENCE, YOU KNOW, LAND USE COMMITTEES.
YOU KNOW, THE Z B A HAS A LOT TO CONSIDER ON THEIR OWN.
THEY'VE, THEY ARE AWARE OF OUR OPINION.
LET THEM MAKE THEIR, THEIR DECISIONS.
AND I REALLY WANTED TO RESPECT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THOSE LAND USE COMMITTEES AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS ANYTIME NOW AND LATER.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DRINK FROM THIS PARTICULAR FIRE HOSE, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DRINKING FROM IT ALONE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.
IT'S BEEN BEEN A LOT OF EDUCATION FOR ME.
BUT IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THE ZONING BOARD CAN STAND DOWN BECAUSE THEY, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, YES.
AND I DON'T WANNA OVERSPEAK, BUT YES, IT, ONCE T P L AND MR. KIRKPATRICK MEET, IF THEY CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, WOULD THE ZONE, WOULD THE SUBDIVISION'S NOT NECESSARY? THEY CAN WITHDRAW THAT APPLICATION.
I'M HAPPY TO REIMBURSE THE SISTERS AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS SEAMLESSLY AND BUMP FREE AS POSSIBLE.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO ADD IS I WANT TO, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AN ENERGETIC PARTNER THAT'S A NEIGHBOR OF THE PARK THAT'S WORKING ON OUR OWN TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT WE WERE GONNA FACE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER EVENTUALLY.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS TO THINK THESE THINGS THROUGH AND THEY HAVE TO READ EVERYTHING, BUT, UH, IT'S WORTH YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR CARVING OUT TIME FOR ME.
I KNOW HOW BUSY YOU'RE, I REALLY DO INVITE YOU TO PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
TOO SMALL, IN FACT, LOTS OF TIMES QUESTIONS LEAD ME TO THINK ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REINFORCED.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I, I'M A LONE RANGER HERE WITH THE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TPL.
L IS OBVIOUSLY HELPING ADVISE ME AND AS THE STATE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THESE THINGS HAVE TO KIND OF COME TO ME OSMOTICALLY.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR HELP AND YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT ON THE LIST, UH, WE HAVE THE CAPITAL
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BUDGET, UH, REQUEST.UM, ONE THING THIS I WAS WONDERING, SHOULD WE HONOR RE NICHOLS? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? TYRE NICHOLS, WE COULD MENTION IN OUR, YEAH.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS OF THE, UH, THE EARTHQUAKE LANDSCAPE? THE VICTIMS OF THE, THAT'S AWFUL.
A T SIX WILL NEED TO BE MODIFIED CURRENTLY.
STATES, UH, RETENTION OF SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR AN ADDITIONAL 25,000, 50,000 IN TOTAL.
I SAW THAT IT WOULD BE ONLINE, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S, IT SHOULD BE WHAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT OF TAKING OFF BD ONE.
WHAT? AND GO WITH TERRANCE 75.
WHY ARE WE TAKING THE, UH, LABEL BELLA AT $130 AN HOUR? OH YEAH, YEAH.
WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, UH, TB 8:00 PM RESOLUTION AND HOME RULE FOR VOTING ON INCORPORATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO DO THAT AT 8:00 PM WE'RE DOING THE AGENDA REVIEW NOW.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE HAVE EIGHT SCHEDULED FOR 8:00 PM RESOLUTION ON HOME RULE FOR VOTING ON INCORPORATION.
BUT, BUT TOMORROW NIGHT, TB ONE YEAH.
IS A VOTE ON THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THAT HOME RULE REQUEST.
BUT WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST WEEK, SO WE MIGHT AS WELL DO THAT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY SAW THE AGENDA POSTED IN, IS ATTENDING TO SHOW UP AT THE MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT IS OR ISN'T, BUT THIS WAS APU THIS WAS A PUBLISHED AGENDA.
SO ONCE WE FINISHED THE, THE CAPITAL BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
THERE'S NOBODY HERE, SO IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE KEEPING SOMEBODY WAITING TO GET EIGHT O'CLOCK.
I'M JUST, WE COULD DEAL WITH IT AS, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
IT'S JUST, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY DISENFRANCHISED BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE WAITING AND IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
THERE WAS SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS A NUMBER MISSING.
CR ONE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING PERSONNEL FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES TO TRAVEL TO VARIOUS COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
I CAN READ NOW IN UPSTATE NEW YORK FOR MARCH 30TH, 2023 THROUGH APRIL.
WHAT? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE DATE YET.
AND WHAT IS THIS FOR? WHAT THE C C R ONE? YES.
THEY TAKE THE, THEY TAKE, THEY TAKE THE STUDENTS OUT SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES.
I JUST WANTED TO, IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR FROM THIS.
AND WITH, THAT'S APPROVAL FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO GO TO CHAPERONES TO GO, YEAH.
I WAS WHEN IS THE, WHEN IS THE, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A BLACK HISTORY, UM, PRESENTATION.
WHEN IS THAT? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE NEXT MEETING.
AND HOW LONG IS THE VIDEO? ABOUT THREE MINUTES OR TWO MINUTES.
YOU RAN IT ALREADY? YEAH, YEAH.
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HOW MANY WAS, WAS IT THREE MINUTES? THREE MINUTES AND FOUR SECONDS?WELL THAT FOUR SECONDS JUST, DOESN'T IT? OH.
YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE ON THE 21ST OR THE 22ND.
WAIT, WHAT DAY WAS THAT YOU SAID? OH, 21ST OR THE 22ND OF FEBRUARY.
MAKE THE WORK SESSION AND BOARD MEETING.
AND SHOULD WE, UH, ADVISE JUST FOR WE WILL, WE WILL ACCUMULATE ALL THE COMPLIMENTS AND REDISTRIBUTE THEM WHEN YOU GET BACK.
BUT I KNOW MARCH, I HAVE CHALLENGES IN MARCH.
NOW ARE WE ALSO GONNA HAVE OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK? IT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR, OUR WORK SESSION WILL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY, CORRECT.
AND WE'LL BE STARTING AT FOUR 30 AND ENDING AT SEVEN.
IT SEEMED LIKE YOU DIDN'T, WEREN'T AWARE OF IT.
I JUST WASN'T, I JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CALENDAR IN FRONT.
I WANTED TO GIVE BIRTH TO AN IDEA.
SO WE'RE ONLY, UH, 10 MINUTES.
AND WE SHOULD CALL ROBERTA AND, AND, AND FRANK, GOOD EVENING.
HOW, HOW WE DOING? YOU WANNA GRAB ANOTHER CHAIR? BRIAN, I'LL SEND YOU.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW YOU GOT ALL THE PICTURES I CAN MOVE OVER THE OPERATION.
IS JUDITH COMING BACK? SHE'S NOT.
WOULD YOU GIVE THIS CHURCH THEN? BRIAN? DEB, BRIAN RECORD BOTH FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I JUST WANT TO, LET'S MAKE SURE ROBERTA'S HERE.
UM, JUST FOR YOU, JUST TO START IT OFF, UM, USUALLY THE TOWN SUPERVISOR PROPOSES THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
UM, AFTER REVIEWING THE REQUESTS, WHAT I THOUGHT IS, SINCE THERE'S SO MANY GOOD REQUESTS HERE, THOUGHT THAT RATHER THAN ME PROPOSING IT UNILATERALLY WOULD HEAR FROM THE, WOULD HEAR THE PRESENTATIONS FIRST, ALL THE REQUESTS, AND THEN THE BOARD, WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BUDGET IS FORMALLY PROPOSED AS TO WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE IN THE BUDGET, WHAT SHOULD BE OUTTA THE BUDGET.
I ALSO ASKED, UH, ROBERTA TO DO, UM, UM, FINANCIAL ESTIMATES AS TO WHAT THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVE EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF THE, THE TAXES.
UM, AND, UM, I ALSO ASKED HER, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK TO, UM, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO HELP US WITH BONDS JUST SO WE COULD GET A BETTER, UM, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FI YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FISCALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, PRUDENT.
AND SHE SAID SHE WAS GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, BE WORKING ON IT TODAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED HER, UM, HER HAIR.
BUT YOU KNOW, SO FAR, WHAT'S, I THINK IT'S LIKE $27 MILLION IN REQUESTS AND USUALLY IN THE PAST OUR BONDING WAS ABOUT 11 MILLION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT,
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE, THE RIGHT THING.I'M SURE, I'M SURE WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ALREADY.
DO YOU WANNA START OR NO, WE NEED TO WAIT FOR FRANCIS AND, UM, ROBERTA, IS THERE ANY OTHER UPDATES? FRANK, YOU WANNA GIVE US HOW EVERYTHING IS GOING AND YOU KNOW, ANYTHING INTERESTING? LET'S TALK ABOUT A LITTLE WATERMAN AROUND OF TOWN.
WE HAD A PRETTY BAD WEEKEND THIS WEEKEND WITH THE COLD BURST THAT WE HAD THROUGH, WE HAD, UH, IN THE WIND, WE HAD A TREE HIT A HOUSE ON HUNTLEY AND ARDSLEY SMASHED INTO A HOUSE, WENT THROUGH IT.
WE HAD A BUNCH OF WATERMAN BREAKS INSIDE.
THEY WERE DISPLACED FOR ONE NIGHT.
THEY HAD A CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND MAKE TEMPORARY REPAIRS.
THE NEXT MORNING THEY WERE PUT BACK IN TO BE FILING PERMITS.
UM, WE HAD A BUNCH OF SPRINKLE PIPE BREAKS.
UH, AND YOU WANNA MENTION, UH, THE CHELSEA.
OH, THE CHELSEA GENERATOR? YEAH.
SO CHELSEA, UH, THE NEW FACILITY ON DOS BURY ROAD, THE CHELSEA, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH,
BUILT THE PLACE, THEY ONLY HAD, UM, A GENERATOR THAT ONLY GAVE IT PARTIAL POWER JUST FOR THE ELEVATORS, THE HALLWAY LIGHTING.
WASN'T DESIGNED WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
I'M SAYING, CAN YOU SAY, SO WHEN THE BUILDING, WAS THAT AGAIN, I'M SORRY, CHELSEA.
I GOT A CALL THAT THERE WAS NO, NO POWER IN THE ROOMS. MM-HMM.
THE GENERATOR'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT.
THE GENERATOR'S FOR THE WHOLE LIGHTING, THE ELEVATORS, THE EMERGENCY LIGHTING AND THE STAIRWELLS NOT DESIGNED FOR THE ROOMS. BUT FRANK, UH, YEAH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND WE DE DECIDE, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE FRANK IS GOING TO, UH, WORK WITH, UM, UH, ALL THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AND UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HELP THEM COME UP WITH A PLAN, BETTER PLAN.
SO, SO WE COULD BASICALLY ENSURE THAT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE GENERATORS AND THAT IT, THAT THEY TESTED.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO ALSO COMPLIMENT YOU BECAUSE, UH, YOU WERE WORKING, UM, YOU KNOW, EVENINGS, WEEKENDS, UH, YOU, YOU WERE FOLLOWING UP AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DOING WAY MORE THAN, UH, THAN, YOU KNOW, MOST BUILDING INSPECTORS WOULD BE EXPECTED TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TO WORK.
BUT YOU, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS MATTER.
IN ADDITION TO DAYS, YOU ALSO WORK DAYS
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF GET BACK TO THE ASSISTED LIVING.
SO IS THAT NOT CODE THAT THEY SHOULD BE HAVING THOSE, THAT TYPE OF GENERATED THE CODE IS EMERGENCY LIGHTING, THE ELEVATORS, THE EMERGENCY STUFF, NOT THE ROOMS. OKAY.
SO IT'S, CAN I ALSO UNDERSTAND, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA FINISH.
SO NOW YOU JUST, I KNEW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT DROPPED MY HEAD IN MY HEAD.
GOOD THAT THE, THE GENERATOR WASN'T PROPERLY CONVERTING THE VOLTAGE TO THE RUB SO THAT THEY COULDN'T, THEY, THE CONED ADVISED THEM NOT TO TURN THEM BACK ON.
CONED WILL ADVISE YOU TO TURN THAT OFF.
IF THEY'RE WORKING CLOSE, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT SYSTEM IS WHAT THEY CALL CUTTING THE CLEAR, MAKE SURE THAT NO ELECTRIC GOES BACK INTO THEIR SYSTEM.
THAT'S WHY THEY ASK YOU TO SHUT IT DOWN WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THE FINAL REPAIRS.
I WAS THERE SUNDAY WHEN THEY WERE MAKING THE FINAL REPAIRS.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT WHEN CONED, 'CAUSE I WAS ON WITH, WITH THEM TOO.
CONED, UM, SAID THAT THEN THEY WENT TO CHECK THE VOLTAGE AFTER THEY MADE THEIR REPAIRS.
THEY CHECKED THE VOLTAGE AND THAT THE GENERATOR WAS NOT CONVERTING THE VOLTAGE PROPERLY.
SO, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE GENERATOR.
AND I SPOKE TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE, UM, CHELSEA, AND SHE WAS REACHING OUT TO THE, UM, TO THE MANUFACTURER OF THE GENERATOR BECAUSE IT WASN'T ED'S ISSUE ANY LONGER.
KIND OF DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO.
BUT THE, BUT I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HER.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY SHOWED UP AND MADE THOSE REPAIRS.
BUT THE ISSUE ALSO AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS THAT WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DESIGNED, IT WAS A GENERATOR THAT DIDN'T PROVIDE, UH, THE, THE, THE BACKUP FOR ALL THE RESIDENCE HOMES.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN PEOPLE MOVE INTO THESE FACILITIES, THEY, THEY WANT TO HAVE THE REASSURANCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SAFE AND NOT NOT BE CALLED IF THERE'S AN OUTAGE.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD AMEND THE, THE CODE AND BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM HEALTHCARE FACILITIES AND YOU HAVE BRIGHTVIEW, YOU KNOW, THE NEW ONES COMING.
MAYBE ALL FACILITIES OR NOT JUST ALL ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, MAYBE ALL FACILITIES THAT HAS ON THAT.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, TO ME THEY, YOU PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THAT WOULDN'T BE JUST
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REALLY FOR LIKE, LIKE, UH, ELDER CARE FACILITIES SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERATORS THAT WOULD PROVIDE HOUSING A AUTHORITIES NOT FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.WOULD YOU THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE? YEP.
YEAH, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE.
YEAH, BUT THE HOUSING HOUSING, WOULDN'T THAT BE A HOUSING AUTHORITY TOO? IT WOULD BE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
WHEN I MENTIONED ALL FACILITIES, I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM LIVING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AS WELL.
SO ALL THOSE FACILITIES SHOULD HAVE THAT.
I I THINK WE HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE UTILITIES HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF PROVIDING THE, THE FUEL NECESSARY, THE, THE NATURAL GAS NECESSARY, UH, TO SUPPORT A STRUCTURE LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING FOR US TO PUT IT INTO A CODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS.
BUT IF CONED CAN'T PROVIDE THE, THE FUEL SOURCE, FUEL SOURCE TO OPERATE THAT GENERATOR BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO BIG TO DO THE ENTIRE BUILDING, UH, THEN WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU CAN'T BUILD THE BUILDING.
THEN THE THOUGHT IS ALSO THAT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE LIKE SOMEBODY EMAILED ME, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER MOTHER AND UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REQUIRE PER, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE, IF SOMEBODY HAS A GENERATOR, HOW OFTEN SHOULD IT BE, UH, INSPECTED? WOULD YOU SAY? IT'S ACTUALLY THE GENERATOR HAS A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ON IT.
IT RUNS ONCE A WEEK AND THERE'S A COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT GOES BACK TO A PERSON THAT MAINTAINS IT AND THEY CAN FOLLOW THROUGH THE GENERATOR CYCLE.
AND THEN THERE'S LIKE AN HOURLY METER ON THE GENERATOR AND IT ACTUALLY IS MONITORED BY THE COMPANY.
THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT TO DO THAT.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
SO SOMETHING, THE COMPANY, THE COMPANY ACTUALLY KNOWS WHETHER OR NOT IT, THAT TEST IS BEING RUN RIGHT.
BUT LIKE OVER HERE, WOULD, I BELIEVE IT'S EVERY WEEK CHELSEA WA UH, WAS THE INSPECTIONS, YOU KNOW, DONE AND YOU, IF SOMETHING WENT WRONG, YOU KNOW, A WEEK AGO DID THEY SAY EVERYTHING WAS FINE? SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THE DALE FIRE DISTRICT NOW 'CAUSE THEY DO A FIRE INSPECTION IN THAT BUILDING.
I'M GONNA BE DEALING WITH THEM WITH THAT FACILITY TO GO OVER.
THAT'D BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL BE ASKING.
ALRIGHTYY? I STILL CAN'T REMEMBER MY QUESTION.
IT WAS THE DEFINITIVE QUESTION THAT COULD EVER BE ASKED.
I KNEW I WAS TRYING TO WAIT TILL PERIOD.
SO DO YOU HAVE LIKE ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY COMMENT, PRELIMINARY COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD HANDLE THE BUDGET AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU SEE? I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN KIND OF HOW WE'RE SPENDING ALL THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND TO TRY TO UM, KIND OF MINUTE IF, IF WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED IT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE AGREEING TO DO IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT IF IT'S GONNA BE FUNDED, IT, IT SHOULD BE FUNDED IN 2000, IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN 2023.
AS IN OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE IT COULD BE SPLIT UP OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
THAT WAS FOR RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT REQUESTER.
WHAT WOULD BE THE TAX IMPACT OF 28 MILLION? THE, THE FINANCIAL ADVISORS ARE WORKING, WORKING THOSE NUMBERS THROUGH THAT SHOULD BE GETTING IT TO US ON THURSDAY.
SO I THINK, I THINK, AND I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA OUTLINE THE STUFF THAT WE DEFINITELY WILL BE GETTING DONE THIS YEAR.
BUT THERE COULD BE, THERE COULD BE AT SOME POINT A BARRIER THAT IS UNFORESEEN THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT EVEN THOUGH IT'S SCHEDULED FOR.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THAT.
WE'LL GO LINE BY LINE OF WHAT WE GOT.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T DO A BUDGET AND WE GOT CRITICIZED FOR IT.
THE DEPARTMENT HEADS GOT CRITICIZED FOR NOT SPENDING THE MONEY THAT WE HAD APPROVED IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
DOES THIS INCLUDE ALL PAST PROJECTS THAT WERE ASKED FOR? NO.
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 2022 PROJECTS THAT WE NEVER WENT TO BOND FOR? WELL, WE'RE GO, WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CLEAN UP A LOT OF THE OLDER PROJECTS.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S ROAD RESURFACING MONEY IN LET'S SAY 2019 AND IT HASN'T ALL BEEN USED UP.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO KIND OF COMBINE ALL THAT INTO THE 2022 ROAD RES.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST MOVING IT DOWN A LINE SO THAT WE CAN CLEAN UP ALL OF THIS STUFF.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF LIKE VERY OLD PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CLOSE THAT GIVE HER THE LEFTOVER PROCEEDS
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COULD POTENTIALLY FUND SOME OF THESE NEWER PROJECTS.I WOULD MUCH RATHER YOU USE THE TERM CONSOLIDATE RATHER THAN CLEAN UP.
'CAUSE IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING OKAY.
THE VARIANCE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING.
BUT, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CRITICISM THOUGH LAST YEAR IN THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY.
WHY DID THEY, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE ASSUMING THAT ANYTHING THAT WE APPROVE IS GOING TO BE DONE.
WE ALSO HAVE, YOU SAID THERE'S ABOUT $3 MILLION THAT, THAT'S IN THE CONSOLIDATION.
SO WE COULD, FOR THE 28 MILLION, WE COULD REALLY REDUCE IT TO 25 SAY 25 MILLION.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE ARE KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD.
I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR THE PROJECTS.
'CAUSE I WANT TO HEAR, I WANT, I'M CURIOUS TO WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
YEAH, WE, WE'LL GO THROUGH IT.
I THINK FIRST WE'LL TALK, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD USED SOME OF THE OLDER FUNDS.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE LIST, THE, UH, THE CHEVY HAS BEEN PURCHASED.
UH, WE HOPE TO RECEIVE THAT SOON.
THERE'S OTHER TWO OTHER VEHICLES ON THERE TO REPLACE VEHICLES THAT ARE MORE SUITED FOR FIELD USE.
AND THEN THERE IS, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL? SO THERE TWO FLEET VEHICLES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NO, WE'RE GOING THROUGH CHEVY.
SO IT'S A, IT SAYS HERE CHEVY WAS PURCHASED.
SO THERE'S MONEY CHACHING SPENT.
SO THIS IS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, IS THIS THE 54? IS THIS WHAT I'M MEAN HERE? YEAH, THE 54.
SO ALREADY PURCHASED AND DONE.
PURCHASE THE TWO FORD VEHICLES.
WE USED OLDER MONEY FOR THE TAHOE AND THEN THE TAHOE.
SO WHY IS IT ON THIS LIST FOR CAP? YES, BECAUSE THIS LIST WAS DONE PRIOR WITH, PRIOR TO, WE WORKED WITH ROBERTA A WEEK OR TWO AGO TO KIND OF CLEAN UP.
SHE GAVE US A LIST, VERY DETAILED LIST OF THE OLDER MONIES AND WE WENT THROUGH EACH LINE.
AND BASICALLY IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO OR STILL NEEDED TO DO, LIKE THE OUTSIDE LOBBY, UHHUH,
AND WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD, I THINK ABOUT WORKING WITH HER DEPARTMENT TO BRING DOWN, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE SEWER LINE.
WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF SEWER MAIN LINING.
WE BOUGHT A A VEHICLE OUTTA THAT LINE, A JET TRUCK, WHICH OKAY.
CAN I JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, ASK THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE CHEVY, THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, MORE EXPENSIVE CARS THAN WE USUALLY GET, RIGHT? SHERIFF POLICE CARS? YEAH, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S, WE HAVE A VERY, OUR FLEET IS VERY, UM, EVERYTHING'S THE SAME.
SO WE USE THE SAME LIKE WE'RE ALL MAC, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN PARTS.
UM, BUT PAUL'S QUESTION IS, A TAHOE IS FAIRLY EXPENSIVE, BUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE SUDANS IS THAT THEY WERE GETTING DESTROYED WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, REGENERON.
UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROADWAYS.
AND TO GO IN THERE WITH A SEDAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BOTTOM BOTTOMING OUT, THEY WERE LOW AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY MESSING UP THE MUFFLER AND YOU NEED AN ACTUAL VEHICLE THAT'S DESIGNED TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION SITES.
WE HAVE ONE AT THE REPAIR SHOP NOW HAPPENED, YOUR HONOR, YESTERDAY, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT IN THE PAST WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE BASICALLY CASCADED DOWN OUR VEHICLES TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT GOING INTO A CONSTRUCTION SITE.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE VEHICLES THAT THESE TWO ARE GOING TO REPLACE? IS THERE ANY USE FOR THEM? WELL, AGAIN, A LOT, SOME OF OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM HAS BEEN USING SOME OF THE OTHER VEHICLES.
UM, THERE'S LIKE, UH, OUR VEHICLES AND D P W SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT, THAT AREN'T ON SITES.
WE HAVE ONE TAHOE IN OUR FLEET.
HE DOES MOST OF THE SITE INSPECTIONS ON THE HEAVY USE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE RIGHT VEHICLE WITH THE RIGHT USE.
FOR INSTANCE, LIKE FRANK SAID, THERE'S A ONE OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CARS DOWN IN THE GARAGE NOW.
'CAUSE THE MUFFLER SYSTEM WAS EVIDENTLY PULLED OFF THE BOTTOM ON ONE OF THE SITES AND THE TRANSIT FENCE.
SO YOU, WHEN YOU GO ON, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE BOARD WAS OUT WITH US LAST WEEK TO SEE SOME OF THAT, THE SITES THAT ARE, IT'S NOT SUITED FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER VEHICLES.
I I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, DARE I ASK OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED AT LEAST HYBRID? OH, WE HAVE ELECTRIC.
WE HAVE ONE ELECTRIC IN ENGINEERING.
UH, GARRETT'S GOT AN ELECTRIC CAR.
WELL HOW ABOUT, BUT HOW ABOUT SOME OF THESE OTHER VEHICLE? THE TAHOE? OH YEAH.
IS THERE TAHOE? IS THERE AN ELECTRIC? IS THERE AN ELECTRIC? I DON'T KNOW IF, LISTEN, WE, WE HAD A, WE, WE HAD A TEST GARBAGE TRUCK THAT WAS ELECTRIC.
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OR FOUR DAYS, I THINK SIX HOURS, SIXWE HAD IT AND IT, IT JUST WASN'T ABLE TO SUSTAIN.
HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? THIS IS A MONTH AGO.
IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.
I FIXED THE CHARGING STATION ABOUT 15 TIMES IN THREE DAYS.
IT, IT JUST, I DON'T, SOME OF IT WE'RE READY FOR.
BUT, AND THEN ARE YOU PIGGYBACKING ON STATE CONTRACTS OR COUNTY? YEAH.
EVERYTHING HERE GOES OUT EITHER IF IT DOESN'T GO OUT TO COMPETITIVE BID, IT'S OFF A PRE-BID.
YOU SAID THAT VEHICLES, THE PRICES ARE GONNA START GOING DOWN.
IS THIS THE TIME TO, UH, UM, EITHER PURCHASE AND ALSO HAVE WE LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, LEASING CARS, UH, WILL WE BE BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY LEASING RATHER THAN PURCHASING? WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, UM, THE TOWN HAS AN EXCELLENT FLEET.
UM, AT LEAST WITH THE, ON THE D P W END WITH THE PLOW TRUCKS AND THE SANITATION TRUCKS.
WE HAVE OUR PROBLEMS. BUT WE HAVE A FANTASTIC REPAIR SHOP.
UM, THEY DID BURN THROUGH A HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY THIS YEAR 'CAUSE PARTS WERE SO UP.
BUT THEY REGULARLY MAINTAINED THESE VEHICLES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW YEARS BACK WHERE WE WERE AUCTIONING OFF VEHICLES FROM THE SEVENTIES.
SO WE KEEP THESE VEHICLES AND THEY TAKE UNBELIEVABLE CARE OF THEM.
SO YOU DO HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD FLEET.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN OUR LIST HERE, THERE ARE VEHICLES TO BE REPLACED.
THAT'S BEEN CONTINUAL THROUGH AT LEAST MY TIME WITH THE TOWN.
AND I KNOW PRIOR TO KEEP THAT FLEET.
'CAUSE WHEN THINGS GO SOUTH, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE PREPARE.
WE WERE RENTING A FAIRLY SIZABLE JET TRUCK.
WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED TO OUR, WE'RE WAITING THE TRUCK IS TWO YEARS OUT.
UM, IT, IT'S JUST GOING TO, I THINK THE BODY PLACE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE APRIL OR MAY, BUT THAT'S A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN HERE, THERE'S ONE FOR THE HIGHWAY GARAGE.
'CAUSE WE'RE OUT REGULARLY CLEANING OUT BASINS AND DRAINAGE, UH, FACILITIES.
AND THEY USE IT ALSO FOR EXCAVATION.
SO THE, THE 54,000 YOU EXPECT THAT WILL HAPPEN THIS YEAR? THAT'S DONE.
REMEMBER THAT WAS PURCHASED ALL THE, ALL THE VEHICLES? NO, THE, THE OTHER TWO VEHICLES FOR THIS YEAR.
THE LAST ONE IS THE, UH, ITY FIVE CONNECTION.
THE PORTION TO ALLOW THE FILING COMPONENTS FOR ONLINE PLANS.
WHERE IS THAT? WHAT DO THAT, LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS.
YOU HAVE A SHEET THAT WAS YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SHEET.
THERE'S ONLY, JUST THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT THE SYSTEM, WE, UH, FOUND A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS THE ITY FIVE THAT WE USE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALLOW ONLINE PLANS.
SO INSTEAD OF A FILING THROUGH THESE BIG SETS OF PLANS, THEY HAVE TO DO, EVERYTHING WOULD BE ONLINE.
IT'D BE A LOT EASIER FOR THE STAFF TO HAVE.
AND THEN TRANSFERRING TO DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE OR BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND THEN GET THE FINAL SET OF DRAWINGS, WHICH WOULD BE A PAPER COPY.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE A PARTNERSHIP WITH AUTOCAD OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT WOULD BE A 40,000 PURCHASE.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN NO MORE PAPER OR MUCH LESS PAPER.
REMEMBER COMPUTERS GOT RID OF PAPER.
THIS PLANS ARE COMING IN RATHER LARGE.
THESE PLANS ARE COMING IN COMPUTERS, WE CAN'T EVEN LIFT THEM.
AND NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE ALL THOSE PLANS, YOU HAVE TO STORE THEM.
YOU HAVE TO FIND, WELL THAT'S WHERE'S, THAT'S THE POINT.
SO THAT, THAT GETS, BUT YOU KNOW THAT, BUT IF THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE REVISIONS ON THE PLANS, WE'RE GETTING FOUR OR FIVE OF THE SAME COPIES JUST WITH SOME REVISIONS.
WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL COPY AT THE END.
SO IS THE $40,000 FOR THE SCREENS? THE $40,000 IS FOR THE COMPONENT THAT GOES WITH ITY FIVE IN THE SYSTEM.
AND SO WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO BUY THE SCREEN BECAUSE YOU GOT THE SCREEN.
THE SCREENS ARE IN PLACE ALREADY.
THEY'RE IN PLACE IN THE OFFICE.
NOW THERE'S, SO WE DON'T NEED THOSE.
AND YOU DO THE REVIEW RIGHT ONLINE MM-HMM.
AND WHAT THIS SYSTEM HERE IS MULTI PEOPLE CAN REVIEW WITH YOU.
SO IF THE ARCHITECT, THE ENGINEER HAS A QUESTION OR IF THE REVIEWER HAS A QUESTION, IT COULD BE DONE ONLINE.
I, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT MY HUSBAND WHO'S BEEN WORKING, HAVING TO WORK FROM HOME THROUGH COVID AS AN ARCHITECT, DOES OFTEN HAVE CONFERENCE CALLS AND THEY'RE ON THE, THEY'RE ON THE SCREENS TOGETHER DISCUSSING FIXES AND CHANGES AND MAKING THEM RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE THE P D F TO A PRINTER, PRINT THEM, BRING THEM HERE.
SO NOW THIS IS, THIS SYSTEM WOULD WORK IN CONJUNCTION THAT SYSTEM.
NO, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, SO WHAT DOES THIS 40,000 ENTAIL? I JUST, IT'S, IT'S A COMPONENT THAT WORKS
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SIDES.IT'S SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERFACE.
SO DOES ANY IT IN DIGITAL PLAN? IT'S ONE OF THE TWO.
AND THIS IS THE PROGRAM AS WELL? IT'S THE PROGRAM THAT WORKS FOR OUR THAT'S SO THERE'S A COST.
I JUST, IS THERE AN ANNUAL COST? UH, I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN ANNUAL COST.
I THINK THIS IS A ONETIME, THIS IS A ONETIME BASIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UPDATES ARE, BUT I THINK THAT'S INCLUDED HERE.
AND IS THIS A CONTRACT OR IS THIS IS JUST ONCE WE PURCHASE, WE GET ANNUAL UPDATES THERE AND THEN THERE'S UPDATES.
I THINK THERE IS AN ANNUAL, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE FOUR OR $500 A YEAR OR SOMETHING.
ONCE YOU GET THE SYSTEM UP TO UPDATE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT SHEET? SHEET? THAT'S IT.
ROBERTA? I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE WHO? ROBERTA, I DON'T THINK HE HAS A LIST.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE NOT ASKING.
YOU DON'T BREAKDOWN? OH NO, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE, THE REGULAR BUDGET.
WHERE ARE YOU STARTING? IT'S RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING.
THAT'S A GOOD, IT'S IN THIS PACKET.
OH, YOU HAVE? I DON'T HAVE, OH, HERE IT IS.
FIRST WE HAVE THE TOWN COURT, H V A C REPLACEMENT AND ROOF REPAIRS AT $370,000.
I THINK AS EVERYBODY'S AWARE AT THIS POINT, WE HAD THE CHILLER GO DOWN IN THE COURT AND WE HAD TO SET UP A, A TEMPORARY, UM, GENERATOR AND AC SYSTEM.
SO AS SOON AS WE GET THAT, WE'RE OUT OF THE BOX WITH IT.
SO, SO LIKE WHEN WOULD YOU SAY THE TARGET DATE FOR FINISHING THIS WITH THE, WELL, THEY CAN'T ORDER THE UNIT UNTIL WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THE FUNDING.
SO LET'S SAY WE APPROVE THE BUDGET IN APRIL, YOU KNOW, FIVE MONTHS FOR THE, FOR THE UNIT.
SO THEN HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU? SO LET'S SAY WE APPROVE A BUDGET.
I'M JUST THROWING OUT SAY APRIL.
WAIT, LET'S SAY THE SEPTEMBER THE FIRST MEETING, SAY IN APRIL.
THEN HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO UH, UM, TO DO THE BONDING? WELL THEN WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE BOND RESOLUTIONS AND HAVE ALL OF THOSE PASSED ONCE THOSE WERE ALL APPROVED.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THESE ARE GONNA REQUIRE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I DON'T THINK ANY ARE, BUT IF WE DO HAVE THAT, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO WELL WE ALWAYS HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET.
BUT SOME OF, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE WATER PROJECTS.
I KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, SO LET'S SAY WE SAY WE APPROVED THE BUDGET IN APRIL, THEN HOW MUCH TIME, UM, WILL IT TAKE BEFORE, BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THE, THE BOND RESOLUTIONS? I'M THINKING LIKE THREE MONTHS.
SO, BUT, BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? WE CAN USE PART OF THE, BECAUSE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET THERE WAS MONEY THAT WAS SET ASIDE TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO WE COULD SORT OF ADVANCE IT IF WE NEED TO.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY'LL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER AND SUMMER HEAT, UM, WITH THAT TIMEFRAME.
SO WHETHER IT'S THAT OR DOLLARS THAT YOU'VE AGGREGATED SO THAT WE CAN EXPEDITE IT.
I'M SORT OF THINKING THAT ONCE WE GET THE CAPITAL BUDGET APPROVED, THEN WE CAN USE WHATEVER FUNDS TO DO THAT OVER.
IF WE PUT, IF WE PUT MONEY IN THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THAT, WHY DO WE HAVE TO BORROW IF WE BASICALLY, WELL WE DON'T, IF WE, IF WE PUT IT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO.
SO THEN AM DOING THAT, DID YOU PUT IN THE OP IS, I BELIEVE IT WAS 1.3 I THINK IT WAS IN OPERATING.
BUT THAT YOU WERE SUGGEST HOW MUCH THAT OF THAT BUDGET COULD WE USE FOR THIS? YOU'RE SAYING IF THERE MONEY? WELL, IF THEY NEED, IF THEY NEED TO DO IT NOW, THEN WE'LL THEN WE'LL USE IT FOR THAT.
SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT RIGHT NOW, UM, THIS IS A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
WE KNOW WE HAVE SAY $28 MILLION OF REQUESTS.
WE HAVE, UH, $32,000 COULD BE TAKEN FROM THE OPERATING BUDGET.
WE COULD BASICALLY AT A, AT THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING, AUTHORIZE THE $32,000.
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OLD ONE.THIS ONE IT WENT UP FROM 30 2003 70,000 PUT IN AT THE WRONG NUMBER.
SO IF IT'S THREE 70, WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE IT FROM THE OPERATOR, YOU KNOW, NOW AND THEN WE CAN JUST, IT WON'T BE CAPITAL BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO GET DONE.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT? I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE CAPITAL BUDGET, CAPITAL BUDGET IS TO APPROVE THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
BUT HOW IT GETS FUNDED IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
YEAH, BUT I DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT IF WE ALL AS A BOARD RIGHT NOW, SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THE H V A C RIGHT? AND THE TOWN COURT, NOBODY'S OBJECTING TO IT.
SO THIS WAY WE WON'T HAVE YOU.
NOW WE HAVE $370,000 LESS OF A CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT, WE COULD DO THIS NOW AND THEN, BUT WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON THAT NOW.
BECAUSE YOU SAID HOW MUCH LEAD TIME YOU SAID YOU NEED FIVE MONTHS.
SO WE'RE ALREADY IN FEBRUARY IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BY THE TIME THEY GET THIS IN, THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME SITUATION THEY WERE FOR LAST SUMMER.
BUT, BUT THE BUDGET, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU HAVE THE BUDGET AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FUNDING.
SO YOU CAN APPROVE IT IN THE BUDGET.
HOW WE PAY FOR IT IS, IS WHETHER WE GO TO BOND OR WHETHER WE DO IT THROUGH OPERATING.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
BUT THAT'S SAYING IT'S IRRELEVANT.
IS IT IRRELEVANT FOR THIS DISCUSSION? RIGHT.
THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S FUNDED.
SO WE'LL THAT'LL BE SORTED OUT.
THE ONLY REASON, THE ONLY REASON I SAID THAT IS BECAUSE I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THE $28 MILLION BOND, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BOND.
THAT'S SO MUCH AND I'M SAYING TO ME 25 MILLION, IT'S A 25.
SO I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO I'M SAYING IF WE TAKE, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE SHOULD, WHY DON'T WE HEAR HIM FIRST? 'CAUSE WE, I MEAN YOU SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES HOW NERVOUS YOU ARE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH IT.
SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND ALL THAT IS HERE.
WE GOT THIS NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
ALRIGHT, SO WE COULD GO TO PUBLIC WORKS.
WE HAVE CAMERA REPLACEMENT AT TOWN HALL.
THAT'S AN ESTIMATE OF $50,000 THAT CAME FROM M I S.
THEY SAID THE CAMERAS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE HERE ARE OUTDATED.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING CURRENTLY TO CHILL THE COURTROOM? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE IN A COST THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER NEED THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DO THIS OFFSET.
WELL WE'VE HAD THAT, THAT SAME UNIT IS NOW OVER AT THE LIBRARY.
'CAUSE THEY HAD A SITUATION THERE.
IS IT, UH, IT'S LIKE $6,000 A MONTH.
WHO'S GONNA BE THE PROJECT COORDINATOR FOR THE, THE H V A C? THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, I MEAN IT'S A BUILDING MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
SO IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AS, AS WELL AS OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO GO THROUGH WITH, UM, THE ACTUAL SOLUTION OF IT.
SO YEAH, JUST WRITE DOWN BRIAN
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY HE'S GOING.
SEE BRIAN, SORRY, JUST PUT YOUR NAME DOWN.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO WORK WHEN YOU GET UPSTAIRS TO DELEGATE.
YEAH, BUT HE CAN DELEGATE, RIGHT? HE'S GONNA DELEGATE IT.
IT WAS ALMOST, YOU KNOW, ALMOST.
SO TRISTAN, WHO REALLY WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON THE CAMERAS, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, THE GUY DOES A BANG UP JOB.
HE SAYS THE CAMERAS ARE JUST, THEY'RE AT AT THEIR LIFESPAN, SO IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THEM.
AND YOU REMEMBER, I KNOW FRANCIS, YOU WERE THERE WHEN WE WALKED THROUGH WITH THE SECURITY SYSTEM WE PUT IN PLACE SOME YEARS AGO.
IT JUST, HOW OLD IT'S GOING BACK? I WANT TO SAY EIGHT YEARS MAYBE ALREADY.
AND WHAT'S THE LIFE OF THE CAMERAS? I THINK FIVE, FIVE YEARS.
AND I THINK SYSTEM-WIDE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET, WE HAVE VARIOUS, UH, SUPPLIERS, RIGHT.
OF CAMERAS THAT ARE VARIOUS FACILITIES.
SO I THINK PART OF WHAT, UH, THE M I S DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO DO IS TO GET ALL THE FACILITIES ON THE SAME SOFTWARE.
SO IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO ONE SERVICE OR PLATFORM AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE.
WHAT CON WHAT A CONCEPT WILL THIS BE OPERATING OR CAPITAL? THIS IS IN THE CAPITAL.
I THINK, LIKE ROBERTA SAID, HOW IT'S PAID FOR LATER IS PROBABLY ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
AND WHEN, WHEN DO YOU THINK THIS IS GONNA BE DONE? HE'S READY TO GO.
THE NEXT IS THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AT THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER.
UM, IT WAS DISCOVERED AS THEY WERE STARTING TO DO WORK ON ONE OF THE BATHROOMS. THEY WERE DOING A RENOVATION ON THAT.
THERE IS LITTERED ASBESTOS FROM SOME OF THE PIPES THAT ARE THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND BASED ON ESTIMATES BRIAN WENT THROUGH FROM PREVIOUS PROJECTS,
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THIS IS WHAT WOULD COST TO GET THAT WORK CLEANED UP.AND BECAUSE I KNOW THEY JUST PAINTED UPSTAIRS, THIS IS IN THE CRAWL SPACE.
SO TO SHUT OFF THE WATER TO DO OTHER WORK, YOU HAVE TO GET INTO THE CRAWL SPACE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
AND THIS WILL BE DONE THIS YEAR.
ONE DAY YOU'LL BE COORDINATING THAT WITH THE NATURE CENTER BECAUSE IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR RENOVATION OF THE BATHROOM PROJECT.
AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE THE PURCHASE OF NEW GENERATOR FOR THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. $310,000.
THESE ARE FOR, UH, TWO OF THE TANK SITES.
THESE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS BASICALLY, UH, ARE BACKUPS FOR THE POLICE, WATER, ANYTHING THAT GOES ON A TANK, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THIS WILL BE COMPLETED THIS YEAR.
NOTHING SIMPLE, BUT IT'S NOT ONE OF THE HARDER ONES.
AND WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START THIS IS WHEN ARE YOU, WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON STARTING THIS PROJECT? THE COMMUNICATIONS? THAT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY LIKE TOMORROW.
SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF TWO GENERATORS OF $310,000.
THE DEMAND, UH, AT THE, AT THE UH, WATER TANKS IS PROBABLY A LOT LESS THAN A AT A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE COST AND DEMAND WOULD BE? YOU KNOW, WOULD, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, AN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING, UM, OH, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
THE QUESTION IS, COULD YOU GET POWER TO IT? YOU KNOW, OR UTILITIES TO OH, YOU MEAN TO POWER THESE THINGS UP? THAT'S A GREAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POINT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE GAS, I THINK KIND OF IT'S STILL IN THE MORATORIUM.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE US ANYBODY.
UM, THESE HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN RUNNING.
WE DO GO OUT EACH YEAR FOR A GENERATOR CONTRACT, WHICH I THINK IS IN THE WORKS NOW.
SO DO WE HAVE NATURAL GAS AT THESE WATER TANKS OR DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO? NO, THERE'S, THEY'RE STANDALONE UNITS.
NO, THEY HAVE STANDALONE UNITS.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO EXPENSIVE.
AND TO JUST REITERATE, SO ON EACH OF OUR WATER TANKS, THERE'S CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S UP THERE, RIGHT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST GREENBURG POLICE, BUT IT'S ALSO COUNTY POLICE.
SO IT'S, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO LIKE EMERGENCY SERVICES, UH, WHEN SOME OF THOSE THINGS GO DOWN.
SO YOU'RE USING ACTUAL FUEL AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE TANKS FILLED.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S JUST, IT'S LIKE THE LIBRARY.
THEY WERE RUNNING OVER THERE CONSTANTLY TO FILL THAT GENERATOR TO MAKE SURE THE HEAT STAYED ON.
THE NEXT, UH, PROJECTS WE HAVE ARE FOR THE LIBRARY.
UM, AND I'LL, I THINK I'M GONNA LET BRIAN TALK TO THESE 'CAUSE HE'S BEEN CERTAINLY MORE INVOLVED IN THIS.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? PAGE THREE.
SO THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS THE VESTIBULE AND ATRIUM SKYLIGHT PROJECT.
UM, SO FOR ANYONE THAT HAS, UH, VISITED THE LIBRARY, ESPECIALLY DURING A RAIN EVENT, UM, YOU'LL KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, LEAKS THAT TAKE PLACE, ESPECIALLY IN THE VESTIBULE AREA.
THE VESTIBULE AREA BEING BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, SLIDING GLASS DOORS.
WHEN YOU FIRST ENTER, IF YOU LOOK UP, THERE'S SOME, UH, WATER DAMAGE IN THE TILES.
UH, WE MET WITH AN ARCHITECT, UM, WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH, UH, THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR CHRISTINA.
AND, UM, THEY BELIEVE IN TALKING WITH THE ARCHITECT, UH, THE, UH, THE VESTIBULE AND UM, UH, THE, THE AREA I GUESS IN FRONT OF IT, THE COVER, IN OTHER WORDS, IS PITCHED BACK TOWARDS THAT VESTIBULE AREA.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WHEN IT RAINS, THE WATER KIND OF POURS BACK AND IT'S GRAVITY.
IT HAS NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, BUT TO THAT AREA.
IT'S A BAD DESIGN TO BEGIN WITH.
SO IT WAS NOT ENGINEERED CORRECTLY.
THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT, UH, THERE'S TWO PHASES.
THE FIRST PHASE WAS TO, UH, BASICALLY REMOVE THAT, THAT FRONT PORTION, THAT, UH, COVER AREA IF YOU WILL, UH, CANOPY.
AND TO COME UP WITH A REDESIGN TO BETTER PITCH THAT WATER AND DIRECT IT AWAY FROM THE LIBRARY AS OPPOSED TO DIRECTING IT TOWARDS THE AREA TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, PHASE TWO WAS TO ALSO ADDRESS, THERE'S, AS SOON AS YOU ENTER INTO THE LIBRARY, THERE'S SKYLIGHTS THAT ARE UP ABOVE, WHICH ALSO ARE A, UM, A SOURCE OF, OF WATER ENTERING INTO THAT AREA.
AND THERE HAS BEEN TIMES WHERE IT GETS
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VERY SLIPPERY IN THERE.SO THE PHASE TWO IS TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT AREA ABOVE, UH, COME UP WITH A DESIGN TO, UH, GET AWAY FROM THE SKYLIGHTS IF YOU WILL ALMOST CREATE A COVER OVER THAT.
UM, SO THIS PROJECT, $880,000 INCLUDES THE DESIGN FOR THE PHASE ONE, THE PHASE TWO, AS WELL AS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THERE IS A POSSIBLE GRANT FUNDING THAT IS THROUGH THE NEW YORK STATE, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION GRANT.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT IS TO KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES THERE AS WELL AS COME UP WITH THE REDESIGN.
AND, AND A WHILE BACK WE MADE A COMMITMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IN THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE GRANT, THEY HAD TO, UM, INDICATE THAT THE, THAT IF THEY DIDN'T GET THE GRANT, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE GRANTING AUTHORITY, UH, WANTING ASSURANCES THAT THE WORK WOULD GO AHEAD AND THAT THE RETURN WOULD BE GOOD FOR IT.
BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT BEING THE COST BEING THE ENTIRE AMOUNT IS, UM, IS NOT LIKELY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET SOME MONEY BUT JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.
SO WE HAD TO COMMIT TO ALL OF IT AND IT'S IN THE BUDGET NOW, AND THEN IT, IT MIGHT, IT WILL BE REDUCED IN ALL LIKELIHOOD AND MAYBE EVEN GO AWAY.
THE QUESTION IS, COULD THIS BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PHASED IN TWO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE REDUCTIONS MM-HMM.
IT WILL COST MORE MONEY TO BREAK UP A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND DO IT IN PHASES.
NO, AND I THINK IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.
A GRANT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE TALKED BECAUSE THE GRANT, THEY WERE, THEY HAVE TO GO FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.
RIGHT? NOT, YOU CAN'T GO AND PIECEMEAL FROM ONE TO THE NEXT.
AND THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THE GRANT BASED ON THE WHOLE THING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON THAT? HORSES OUT OF THE BARN? YEAH, IT DOES.
WHAT? THE HORSES OUT TOTALLY AGREES WITH IT.
ROBERTA, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I SAID THE HORSE IS OUT THE BAR.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
NO, I, NO, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS WHEN, WHEN CHRISTINA CAME FROM ANOTHER.
SO SINCE, SINCE THESE ISSUES HAVE EXISTED SINCE THE GENESIS OF THE BUILDING, DO WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THESE FIXES THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS ON ARE REALLY GONNA FIX THEM? OR IS LIKE, HAVE, HAS THE RESEARCH BORNE OUT THAT THE FIXES WE'RE ABOUT TO DO WE'LL COMPLETELY FIX THIS? I WOULD SAY YES.
I MEAN, SO THE ARCHITECT WE HAVE, UH, FULLER AND DEANGELO MM-HMM.
UM, THEY'VE DONE PROJECTS IN THE TOWN FOR THE NATURE CENTER, OTHER PROJECTS FOR THE LIBRARY.
UH, THEY CAME OUT, THEY MULTIPLE TIMES, THEY'VE INSPECTED IT.
THEY ACTUALLY WENT UP AND TOOK A, A LOOK AT TOP OF THE ROOF.
UM, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE CAUSE OF, OF THE LEAKAGE IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA SOLVE THAT.
AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUBCONTRACTING TO THE ENGINEER.
IS THAT HOW IT WAS WORKING? WELL, PART OF, PART OF THE PROPOSAL, YES.
SO THERE IS A, A LINE ITEM, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THEY CAN BRING IN, UM, AN ENGINEER, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ALSO REDEVELOP THE, UH, COME UP WITH A DESIGN BASICALLY FOR THE CANOPY AREA.
'CAUSE THAT ALL HAS TO BE STRUCTURALLY SOUNDS, MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT.
AND THAT WILL ALSO BE A SECOND CHECK ON THE ON MM-HMM.
THERE'S ANYTHING THEY SEE DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY TAKE THAT FRONT STRUCTURE DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THINGS.
COULD YOU GIVE US LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL BEFORE, BECAUSE THE WATER'S BEEN DRIPPING THROUGH IT ALL THESE YEARS.
SO CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE ASBE A WORK PLAN FOR THIS? BECAUSE THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT AND YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, I THINK THAT WOULD COME FROM THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AS THEY, AS THEY GET MORE INVOLVED IN IT.
SO WE CAN'T GET THEM TO DO SOMETHING NOW BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UM, I MEAN IF I DON'T, THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY, BASED ON OUR YEAH.
THEY'VE DONE ALL THE BACKGROUND WORK.
THEY KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE.
SO IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS GOING OUT TO BID, AWARDING THE JOB,
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AND THEN DOING THE CONSTRUCTION.AND THE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE, WELL, I KNOW INITIALLY THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS WITH THE LEAD TIME ON THE MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO ROOFING SUPPLIES.
I MEAN THIS WAS, UH, BACK IN THE FALL WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THE ARCHITECT, THERE WAS STILL SOME DELAYS WITH GETTING THOSE MATERIALS.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE DELAYS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
WHETHER WE, WE PUT IT THROUGH THIS YEAR OR WHETHER WE PUT IT THROUGH NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THAT, UH, THAT POSSIBILITY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET CONSTRUCTION AND SUPPLIES AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CON THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF.
DOES THIS ALSO INCLUDE THE, THE SECOND SET OF DOORS TO, BECAUSE OF THE CALL, THE CALL THERE THAT COMES IN? THERE WAS TALKS, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL, THE PROPOSAL, IF YOU WILL, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT TALKING WITH THEM MIGHT BE ABLE ADD OH, THAT'S A WOULD BE PHASED TOO.
BUT I THINK, AND WE'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH, UH, WITH THE LIBRARY, BUT I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE GRANT, THERE IS A TIMELINE WHERE THE, THE GRANT HAS TO BE, UM, THE, OR THE MONIES HAVE TO BE IN PLACE BY A CERTAIN DATE.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THEM.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE PROJECT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE WE COULD BE MORE FINANCIALLY.
UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A, A $200 TAX INCREASE FOR EVERYBODY.
'CAUSE WE'RE IMPROVING ANY, EVERYTHING.
ALSO, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, UM, I MEAN THE SUPPLY CHANGE SUPPLIES ARE GETTING, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM YOU HAVE SAY, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO, IT SEEMS TO ME FROM, YOU KNOW, MY READINGS OF SOME PAPER, YOU KNOW, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL OR WHATEVER, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME COSTS ARE GONNA START, INFLATION IS GONNA START LEVELING OFF.
SO I'M SORT OF THINKING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY, IF THERE'S LIKE ANY WAYS OF PHASING IN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WHERE IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S, IT'S, IF IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN 2023 AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN 20 2024, IF WE FUNDED FUND PART OF IT IN 2024, IT MAY HELP US TAX WISE THIS YEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
WELL, I THINK ONCE YOU KNOW THE, THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PAYING OUT EVERYTHING ALL UP FRONT, YOU KNOW.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE TO ISSUE ON THE CONSTRUCTION PO SIDE.
WE CAN'T ISSUE A PARTIAL P LIKE IF THE CONTRACT'S AWARDED FOR, SAY, $800,000, WE CAN'T ISSUE A PARTIAL PURCHASE ORDER FOR 400 THIS YEAR IN PHARMACY NEXT YEAR.
WE HAVE TO ISSUE IT FOR THE FULL AMOUNT.
BUT IN TERMS OF PAYING OUT THE MONIES, EVEN THOUGH THE PURCHASE ORDER MIGHT BE, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE, IT'S STILL GONNA BE ON THE, IT'S STILL GONNA BE ON THE BOOKS FOR THE, FOR THAT AMOUNT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, LEMME JUST ASK THIS.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S ACCOUNTABLE THAT THIS ACTUALLY WORKS, RIGHT? SO WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON CONSULTANTS.
THEY COME IN, THEY GIVE US, HEY, IN MY OPINION, THIS SHOULD WORK.
MATTER OF FACT, IT'S NOT THE SECOND OR THIRD THAT WE'VE SAT AROUND THE TABLE ABOUT THE LIBRARY LEAKING AT THE ENTRANCE DOORS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN ADVICE AND TO DO WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO, AND WE'RE SITTING AROUND THE TABLE AGAIN, AT SOME POINT, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, NO MATTER, WHATEVER THAT COST IS, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO FIX THIS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT AROUND THE TABLE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, I'M NOT SO SURE WE'RE GETTING ANY, ANY ASSURANCE FROM OUR CONSULTANTS AS TO, WELL, IT'S THEIR OPINION.
IT COULD BE WRONG, BUT WE'VE JUST SPENT, YOU KNOW, $800,000.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT WHEN I WAS ASKED THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED.
I MEAN, SHOULD WE JUST TEAR IT DOWN
I MEAN, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT'S, UM, I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THOUGH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND ANYONE THAT'S GONNA COME IN AND GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT REASSURANCE, BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS UNTIL YOU START DECONSTRUCTING EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, UH, ROOFING CONTRACTORS COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CLEAN OUT, THERE'S A DRAIN UP THERE, AND THEY TELL US THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES IT'S JUST A MAINTENANCE THING, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA CLEAN OUT THE DRAIN.
AND SO WE CLEAN OUT THE DRAIN, AND YET WE STILL KIND OF, WE STILL HAVE THESE ISSUES, OR THEY TELL US THE DRAIN IS TOO SMALL.
BUT YET YOU GO UP THERE AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY MAKING SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR AND THE WATER'S FLOWING PROPERLY.
AGAIN, I JUST, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO, TO KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU REALLY START TO PEEL EVERYTHING APART AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE INSIDE.
SO THERE'S AT SOME POINT GETS PEELED APART.
SO AT ONE PART, JUST ABOUT, RIGHT.
SO AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA BE PEELED APART.
I THINK THEN THAT'S WHEN WE PAUSE AND WE SAY, OKAY,
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SOMEBODY GIVE US AN ASSURANCE THAT WHATEVER YOU SAY, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.AND WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW THAT YOU CAN SEE, I CAN UNDERSTAND.
THEY CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S BEHIND THE WALL UNTIL THEY TAKE THE WALL DOWN.
BUT ONCE THEY DO THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE COULD SAY, HEY, GUARANTEE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE.
IDEALLY THE ARCHITECT HAS SOME SORT OF INSURANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT INDEMNIFIES.
DO WE, DO WE REQUIRE THAT TION? WE'VE, MANY TIMES THEY SAY THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT THEY CAN'T SEE.
I MEAN, AND THAT PROJECT, WHEN THAT WAS, I WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, THERE'S NO AS BELTS, THERE WAS NO PUNCH LIST DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE ROOF ISSUES.
WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE HEATING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, THAT'S WHY THE TEMPORARY HEATER'S BEEN OUT THERE.
UM, IT'S BEEN RUNNING NOW, BUT THERE'S STILL THINGS TO BE LOOKED AT THAT'S A REAL DEVIL IN THE DETAILS BUILDING.
AND UNTIL YOU START TEARING IT APART, YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY HARD.
SO EVEN YOUR PLANS OPINION, IN YOUR OPINION, SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THIS AND LOOKING AT THIS TO FRANCIS'S POINT, IS IT, IS IT, ARE WE AT TO POINT NOW THAT WE JUST KIND OF NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND THEN COME BACK WITH IT? BECAUSE AGAIN, A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
SO, SO I JUST WANNA FIGURE OUT AT THIS POINT, WHY WOULD WE GO AND SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IF WE STILL UNSURE WHAT THE OUTCOME'S GOING TO BE? I THINK, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE LIBRARY AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR WISHES WERE, BUT CLEARLY YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK THERE EVERY TIME IT RAINS AND HAVE TO REPLACE SHEET ROCK AND CEILING AND GO MOP THINGS UP.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS DOING.
RIGHT? CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? IN THEORY, YES.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? BECAUSE FRANCIS WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? OH MY GOD.
UM, FRANCIS, ONCE THEY START DECONSTRUCTING AND THEY SEE WHAT'S THERE, WHAT DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE, WATER DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE INTERNALLY THAT THEY CAN'T PROJECT NOW WHAT, HOW IT WAS BUILT.
BECAUSE EVEN IF WE HAVE PLANS, NOT AS BUILT, BUT EVEN IF WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACTOR DID AND DID NOT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE NO INSPECTION REPORTS.
SO, UM, ONCE THEY OPEN IT UP AND LOOK AT IT, THEY MIGHT SAY, HEY, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE, THIS IS JUST UNFIXABLE.
IT DOESN'T WORK WITH OUR PLANS.
JU WE SUGGEST THAT YOU TEAR IT DOWN ALL THE WAY THAT THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN THEN, RIGHT? RATHER THAN THAT HAPPEN.
BUT THEN WE CAN SAVE ALL THIS EIGHT, WE CAN SAVE THIS A MILLION DOLLARS AND WE CAN PAY A FRACTION OF THIS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
'CAUSE I FIGURED LIKE'S A DIRECT, WELL, THEY'RE DEMOLISH TO SOME EXTENT ANYWAY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH REGARDLESS.
RIGHT? BUT THEN WE ARE NOT PAYING THE 800,000 BUCKS.
WELL, BUT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND IF, IF THEY OPEN IT, IF THEY, IF THEY OPEN IT UP AND THIS, THIS, THIS SCOPE OF WORK NO LONGER BECOMES FEASIBLE, THEN WE WOULDN'T CONTINUE SPENDING THE MONEY TO COMPLETE IT.
BUT WE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA APPRECIATE THIS, BUT WE ARE GONNA GO OUT TO BOND FOR THAT, FOR THAT AMOUNT.
BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S BASICALLY RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S, SO I GET A, I GET A
BUT AS ONCE YOU'RE DECONSTRUCTED, YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING, YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO, IT'S, IT'S LIKE TAKING OFF THE FRONT OF A BUILDING AND SAYING, WELL, OKAY, NOW LET'S DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO GONNA BE DONE BY THEN TO 2023.
WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY THE AGREEMENT PROPHESIZING.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CONDEMNING THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
NO, THE QUESTION HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
THE AGREEMENT WE ENTER INTO SHOULD HAVE BASICALLY A BIFURCATE IT WHERE YOU HAVE GETTING US TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY NEED TO SEE IN ORDER TO SAY THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND JUMPING OFF POINT.
IT'S ALL PART OF THE 800, WHATEVER.
BUT IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAT GETS US THERE, WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD THEM TO DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T THINK IS GOING TO WORK.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE ARCHITECTS COME IN AND TALK TO THEM? YEAH.
LET ME QUESTION, JUST AS ANOTHER QUESTION.
WE DIDN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST WAS IN, UH, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO, UH, REPAIR A ROOF, I THINK IT WAS AT THE LIBRARY OR AT THE TOWN HALL.
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TONY VEO, UM, UH, HE BASICALLY TOOK, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE ASKED HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AND IT TURNED OUT IT WAS $25,000.THE SECOND TIME WE, WE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE BASICALLY GOT THE SAME JOB DONE FOR $275,000 LESS THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? UM, SINCE THERE'S LIKE NO GUARANTEES TO GET A SECOND OPINION BEFORE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, WELL, HOW DID YOU COME TO THIS POINT? I MEAN, DID YOU, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T JUST INTERVIEW ONE PERSON.
RIGHT? SO THIS COST WAS BASED ON AN ESTIMATE PROVIDED BY THE ARCHITECT.
SO THE ARCHITECT WENT OUT, THEY WENT TO, BASED ON THEIR PRIOR EXPERIENCE ON OTHER PROJECTS, AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTORS THAT THEY USED, WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN PRICING AND GAVE US A, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY EXPECTED THE TOTAL PROJECT TO COST.
SO THAT $880,000 THAT YOU SEE, THAT'S FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT, INCLUDING THE ENG OR THE ARCHITECT FEES, THE ENGINEER'S FEES, THE CONSTRUCTOR'S, UH, FEES, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE CANOPY AREA, AS WELL AS FOR THE SKYLIGHT AREA.
UM, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THE TOWN SPENDS IS CONTINGENT UPON HOW MUCH MONEY WE ULTIMATELY WOULD GET THROUGH THE GRANT PROGRAM.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT MONEY IS IN THAT GRANT.
BUT HAVEN'T WE ALREADY AGREED TO DO THIS? YES.
WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT? YES.
SO ISN'T IT A MOOT POINT? WELL, IT, THE ONLY THING THAT'S FUNGIBLE IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AMOUNT UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE GRANT IS AWARDED.
UH, AND THE GRANT COULD BE WORDED TO, IT'S TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE FIXING THE PROBLEM, RIGHT.
THEY SHOULDN'T OBJECT TO DOING WHATEVER THE WORK IS NECESSARY.
SO SINCE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, JOHN EMRICH WHO'S ADVOCATING FOR FUNDING, YOU KNOW, IN ALBANY FOR US, SHOULD WE BE ASKING HIM TO, UH, REACH OUT TO THE NEW YORK STATE? YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE THAT WAS DONE, I THINK IT, THE, THE, UM, GRANT PRECLUDES GETTING ANOTHER GRANT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT MAYBE NO, BUT TO GET APPROVED TO GET IT APPROVED.
IF THIS, IF THIS IS BEING AWARDED BY NEW YORK STATE, MAYBE OUR ADVOCATE IN ALBANY SHOULD BE LOBBYING FOR IT.
IT'S, THEY HAVE A BIG POOL OF MONEY.
THEY WILL TAKE THAT MONEY AND DECIDE, BECAUSE LIBRARY IS ALL OVER THE STATE, ARE APPLYING FOR PROJECTS FOR MONEY.
SO THEY WILL DETERMINE WHAT PROJECTS WARRANT THE MONIES AND HOW MUCH.
SO WE DON'T, IT'S NOT LIKE A SPECIFIC GRANT FOR X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.
THEY, IT IS, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA GET THE TOTAL, I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN TO SEE IF WE COULD REACH OUT AND GET STATE FUNDING FOR THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
IT'S WORTH CHECKING TO SEE IF, IF IT, IF YOU CAN GET A SECONDARY GRANT, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW FOR HOW MUCH NO WORK COULD BE.
AND PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL FROM THE ARCHITECT WAS FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT ALSO.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE WHILE THE WORK'S TAKING PLACE.
SO I GUESS AS FAR AS REASSURANCES ARE CONCERNED, AS THINGS COME UP, AS THEY START TO, TO TEAR EVERYTHING APART, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, REPORT BACK, AND THEN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NECESSARY.
BRIAN, DID THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY COMMIT TO WEEKLY VISITS OR TO BUY TWO VISITS A WEEK AND REPORTS TO I BELIEVE IT'S WEEKLY.
PARDON ME? I BELIEVE IT'S WEEKLY.
AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL AS WITH TOWN REPRESENTATION.
MIGHT I SUGGEST, SINCE WE HAVE THREE MORE LARGE DEPARTMENTS TO DO TODAY, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO HALFWAY THROUGH PPWS, IS THAT WE LISTEN TO WHAT THE TOPICS ARE AND NOT GET, WE, WE DON'T GET INTO BASICALLY MANAGING THE PROPERTY OF THE PROJECT IN ADVANCE.
SO, AND IF WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN CALL BACK.
LET, WE'RE WANNA MAKE MORE SENSE, UM, TO, UM, HAVE, INSTEAD OF MAKING EVERYBODY WAIT AROUND TO DO A LITTLE MORE THOROUGH TODAY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS, UH, OF EACH DEPARTMENT REQUEST, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
BECAUSE I, I FIND THIS, I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN URGENCY TO DO THE
I'D RATHER NOT KEEP THE DEPARTMENT.
I'D RATHER FEEL WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
MAYBE TAKE ONE OTHER DEPARTMENT TODAY.
I DON'T THINK, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DONE WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
OH, OH, OH, WE'RE NOT EVEN HALFWAY.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP IT.
I'D RATHER REALLY BE THOROUGH.
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DON'T HAVE TO REALLY MEAN, SO WE JUST DOING, SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, ARE WE JUST DOING PUBLIC WORKS NOW AND THEN WE'RE RESCHEDULING, WE'VE HAD CAPTAIN SIT HERE FOR, BUT I WANT TO GRAB, WE CAN GRAB THEM NOW.COULD YOU COME IN PLEASE? THANK YOU.
I THINK THIS IS BETTER BECAUSE YEAH, BE GETTING BETTER CAPTAIN.
IT JUST MEANS IF WE GONNA BE PUSHING WHAT IS ON LATER AGENDAS YEAH.
I COULD REACH, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT YEAH.
BUT HE'S THE ONE THAT'S LOADING IT UP.
WELL THEN, THEN WE, WE, WE CUT IT OFF.
SO WE, WE HAVE A LONG LIST HERE AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? FASCINATED BY THE DISCUSSION NONETHELESS.
SO I'M THINKING WE CAN RESCHEDULE TO RESCHEDULE PUTTING IT LIKE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW RE ON FIRST AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOT PEOPLE BASICALLY PAYING ATTENTION AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT KEEPING YOU UNTIL, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE WHILE, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU BACK? I'M SURE.
I'M SURE HE, I'M SURE HE'LL BE AMENABLE TO THAT, SO, OKAY.
I THINK, I THINK, ARE YOU WORKING TODAY? OH, ANOTHER REASON WHY I DON'T WANT ANOTHER REASON WHY WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOU.
SO IF I DON'T KNOW WHERE CHIEF POWERS, IF YOU CAN RELAY THAT AND JUST GIVE US A MESSAGE BACK, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE YOU TO GO THROUGH YOUR ITEMS? DEPENDS ON YOUR QUESTIONS,
SO, ASSUMING WE HAVE AS MUCH TIME AND QUESTIONS AS YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU DON'T THINK I'M GONNA GET AN ANSWER OUT OF YOU TWO? UH, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? SO THAT TELLS ME HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH TIME YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY 10 MINUTES IS WHAT I'M EXPECTING.
OKAY, SO YOU SAY ABOUT 40 MINUTES, RIGHT.
WELL, BETWEEN QUESTIONS AND RIGHT.
'CAUSE YOU SEE HOW THIS IS GOING.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE YOUR THOROUGH TIME BECAUSE WE CAN'T NOT, SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, PAUL, UH, NOT SENDING A LOT OF EMAILS TO JOAN.
PUT THIS PERSON ON THE AGENDA.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO THESE IN THE LATER, LATER WEEKS, IF WE GOT, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME URGENCY IN GETTING THESE THINGS DONE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE SCHEDULED THE WAY THEY'RE PAUL UHUH PAUL.
SO I THINK TAX DECREASE, RIGHT? NO.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE THIS.
SO HOW MANY ARE WE WE DOING TONIGHT? I THINK ONE LOOK AT, LOOK AT WE GARRETT'S SITTING UPSTAIRS, RIGHT? GARRETT'S IN A MEETING.
AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN ADVISE THEM THAT JOE, I BELIEVES HERE AS WELL.
PARKS IS A BIG, IS A BIG IS BIG AS WELL.
SO WE YEAH, BUT I THINK, SO I THINK THE IMPRESSION WAS THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN UNDER AN URGENT MATTER SO MUCH.
IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? PLENTY.
WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AS SUBJECT.
HOW ABOUT, I MEAN THE, THE SAME WILL GO FOR, UM, FOR THAT'S FINE.
UH, JOE, UH, YEAH JOE, SO I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD, I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD THE SAME REQUEST THAT WE JUST GAVE TO CAPTAIN VALENTINE.
SO AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE SAME THING BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH AND WE DON'T WANNA RUSH YOU AND THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT.
SO WE ASK IF WE CAN JUST WAIT OR WAIT OR WE CAN JUST MOVE YOU ALONG.
BUT WAITING WE, WE'LL DO ANOTHER DAY.
I'M SURE I COULD CALL JERRY AND TELL HIM NOT TO COME.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG OUR IS GONNA BE.
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE JERRY YEAH.
WELL CALL HIM AND TELL HIM WE'LL RESCHEDULE.
WE APPRECIATE THAT ACCOMMODATION.
SO SEE HOW THAT WORKS? THAT'S OKAY.
SO NOW I CAN'T, I WAS GONNA SAY WHERE MY GLASSES, BUT THEY'RE IN MY HANDS.
SO DO YOU WANNA GO TO PART TWO AT THE LIBRARY? NO.
SO SHOULD WE TRY TO DO, SINCE YOU GONNA SAY 10, YOU'RE GONNA SAY 40 MINUTES THE DAY OFF.
SO HE'S GONNA BE SITTING HERE FOR ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF.
THE THING IS, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST
LET'S, LET'S SERIOUSLY SESSION.
I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE SO MUCH ON THE AGENDA.
WE'RE NOT, BUT NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING DO, DO YOU WANT US, WOULD IT BE SIMPLER AND NOT? 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS GONNA GO ON FOR A FEW MORE MEETINGS IF WE KIND OF GO THROUGH AT A 30,000 FOOT VIEW OF THESE THINGS.
AND AS YOU GUYS, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE QUESTIONS ON ALL OUT OF IT.
I WISH I WOULD'VE SAID THAT 15 MINUTES AGO.
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YEAH.WHICH IS WHAT I SAID 15 MINUTES AGO.
SO THE LIBRARY, PATIO, RETAINING WALL, THEY'VE GOT, UH, I THINK A GRANT TO DO WORK UNDER A WALL BEHIND THE LIBRARY.
ONE OF THE OLDER WALLS, UH, JASON CAP, THE TOWN ENGINEER WENT OUT AND THE WALL, UH, IS COMPROMISED.
I THINK BRIAN, WHO'S ALSO A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
SO THAT'S THE WORK TO, IS THAT WELL, IN DANGER OF FLOW, IT'S COMPROMISED.
IT'S DEFINITELY, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND, AND THE, UH, THE URGENCY HERE IS THAT THE, UH, PATIO PROJECT THAT'S, THAT'S GOING IN THERE IS COMPLETELY FUNDED BY A, I BELIEVE IT'S NYSERDA GRANT.
AND THERE'S A TIMELINE WITH THE PATIO GRANT PROJECT.
SO I BELIEVE THAT HAS TO BECOME THE FUNDING AND IT HAS TO BE INSTALLED AND PAID FOR, UH, WITHIN, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO OR THREE YEARS.
AND THERE'S NO SENSE IN PUTTING A NEW PATIO IN FRONT OF A RETAINING WALL IF IN A YEAR OR TWO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND RIP OUT THE WALL AND TAKE AWAY THE PATIO TO THEN REPLACE THE WALL WALL.
OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE RETAINING WALL DESTROYS IT.
COULD THE RETAIN BE DONE NEXT YEAR? NO, IT'S, NO, BECAUSE THE, THE RETAINING WALL HAS TO BE DONE FIRST AND THEN THE PATIO PROJECT HAS NO, I'M SAYING COULD THAT WHOLE PROJECT BE DONE NEXT YEAR? I DON'T BELIEVE, NO.
IT, IT, TO ME IT COULD BE TOO TIGHT OF A TIMELINE BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET THE FUNDING IN PLACE FOR THE RETAINING WALL, PUT IT OUT TO BID, GET A CONTRACTOR IN THERE, BUILD THE RETAINING WALL, FINISH THE RETAINING WALL, THEN PUT THE PATIO PROJECT OUT, GET THAT CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK YOU'RE CUTTING IT VERY CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE WHEN THE NYSERDA GRANT FUNDING COMES OUT.
SO THIS IS, SO IS THE NYSERDA GRANT FUNDING SYSTEM TO CHANGE DIFFERENT THAN THE LIBRARY GUILD FUND GRANT? OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU REFERENC.
IT'S, SO, I BELIEVE WE, UH, BE KEIL OF WAS TO COVER THE COSTS FOR DESIGN, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN, UH, THE NYSERDA WAS SUPPOSED TO KICK IN FOR THE ACTUAL PATIO.
AND HOW MUCH IS THE NYSERDA? THAT I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT.
SO THAT $350,000 THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE PATIO PROJECT.
BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE LIBRARY, THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED, UH, THROUGH THE LIBRARY AND THROUGH THE, THE GRANT.
SO THAT $350,000 IS STRICTLY JUST FOR THE RETAIN.
AND YOU DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THE RETAINING LAW.
IT'S NOT A JOKE THAT, THAT'S COMPROMISED BECAUSE THEN MM-HMM.
IT COULD BE MUCH MORE OF A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE ON, ON THE PUBLIC WORKS.
FIRST TWO ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THESE ARE REAR LOADERS FOR THE SANITATION GARAGE.
PAGE SIX PAGE PAGE SIX, SORRY.
THIS IS FOR THE SANITATION GARAGE.
NEXT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS A STREET SWEEPER $325,000.
THESE VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR, ARE OUT EVERY DAY FOR THE MOST PART.
'CAUSE WE JUST, I JUST, SHE YOU GOT THE MESSAGE FROM CAPTAIN VALENTINE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WENT THROUGH, UH, STREET SWEEPER.
WAIT, WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON? SIX.
NEXT IS A PICKUP TRUCK WITH PLOW.
UH, ARE THERE ANY, LIKE, IF YOU HAD TO PRIORITIZE, ARE THERE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS FOR VEHICLES AND MACHINERY THAT'S COULD BE DEFERRED FOR A YEAR? PAUL, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THIS AND I, I WAS, WISH GERARD WAS HERE.
WE DO HAVE SOME PICTURES FOR YOU.
I, I'M GONNA SAY NO, THESE ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED, HOW MANY EMAILS WE GET A WEEK OR THIS OR THAT.
THE OTHER THING, THESE, THESE, THESE VEHICLES YOU SEE HERE, CHICKEN ARE, ARE DOING THE WORK EACH DAY.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN, YOU GOT PROBLEMS. AND OUR GARAGE IS TELLING US THAT THIS IS NEEDED AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DEFERRED HERE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP.
WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR LATER WITH THE ROADWAY PAVING WHERE WE KICK A THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND NOW WE'RE PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT.
UM, I AM, YOU KNOW, IN THE STRONGEST SENSE, ADAMANT
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THAT OUR MECHANICS ARE GIVING US GOOD ADVICE.UH, ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING WITH FRANK MODO TOO TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE AUCTION STUFF AND HOW WE COULD SAVE THINGS FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS HAD A GOOD FLEET AND WE NEED TO KEEP THIS GOING.
AND IT'S, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE, YOUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN, NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY HERE ARE USING THESE THINGS TO DO THE WORK.
AND I I THINK IT'S ALSO A SAFETY, LIKE WITH REGARDS TO THE BUCKET TRUCK.
IT'S, IT'S NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, OH, WE JUST WANT TO GET A NEW TRUCK.
IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE BUCKET TRUCK.
'CAUSE THE EXISTING TRUCK EVERY YEAR, THE, THE, THE ARMS ON THE THAT HOLD UP THE BUCKET HAVE TO GET INSPECTED AND CERTIFIED.
AND ON THIS TRUCK IN PARTICULAR, THE, THEY WERE LOOKING TO REPLACE, UH, IT, IT FAILED THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S ONE BUCKET TRUCK AND THAT'S A TRUCK THAT THEY USE.
YOU KNOW, THIS PAST FRIDAY NIGHT, WE HAD THAT, THAT HIGH WIND EVENT IN THE SEVERE COLD AND THERE WAS A TREE THAT FELL DOWN ON SPRAIN ROAD AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE FEW ON TOP LAND AND, AND RANDOLPH.
UM, SO THAT'S A TRUCK THAT IS USED, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION LIKE THAT.
AND THIS STUFF THAT'S USED WHEN THINGS ARE USUALLY BAD, A LOT OF TIMES BAD THINGS ARE GOING DOWN.
YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE FRONT END LOADER, THE JET TRUCK, THE BUCKET TRUCK, BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PLOW TRUCKS.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
THE BUSINESS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS ARE ALL, OR SOME OF THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT BY THE SAME MANUFACTURER.
SO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING KIND OF STREAMLINED.
I GOTTA TELL YOU, YOU GOTTA TAKE A TRIP DOWN TO THE REPAIR DOCK.
WELL, BUT YEAH, I'D LOVE TO, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT SINCE YOU'D BE, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING SO MANY PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF, UM, REDUCTION IN PRICING BECAUSE OH, THEY, ALL THIS STUFF IS OFF BID.
YOU KNOW, AND WE, I KNOW, I KNOW BRIAN'S BEEN WITH THIS ASSOCIATION MM-HMM.
SO WE, WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE ANGLES.
UM, THE NEXT PAGE, WHICH IS SEVEN, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER DUMP TRUCK IS A WHEEL BALANCING MACHINE.
WHAT'S A TERMINAL SCREENER? THAT IS A MACHINE THAT YOU TAKE ALL THE STUFF THAT WE DIG OUT OF THE ROADS AND ALL OUR PROJECTS WE GO THROUGH, WE CREATE TOP SOIL ITEM AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE ANY MATERIAL.
PATEMAN STARTED THAT SOME YEARS AGO AND IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
AND THEY'RE AT DIFFERENT SIZE DROPS.
MAYBE THAT COULD BE THE NEXT TOUR WE TAKE.
AND THAT'S, SO, SO THERE'S A, AN UPFRONT COST RIGHT.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WE PURCHASE TOP SOIL, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, I'M WORKING ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO THE THOUGHT BEING THAT AS TIME GOES ON, ANY, AS WE'RE DOING EXCAVATION FROM OTHER PROJECTS, YOU CAN TAKE THAT MATERIAL, YOU PUT IT THROUGH THE SCREENER, I, AND THEN IT, IT BASICALLY SCREENS OUT ALL THE, THE LARGER ROCKS AND AND DEBRIS.
SO HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE SPEND ON TOP SOIL ANNUALLY? I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
AND IT'S ALSO THE GETTING RID OF THE MATERIAL.
IT'S CLEARLY JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COST EFFECTI.
IT'S, IT'S YOU SAVING MORE THAN MM-HMM.
UH, THE WHEEL BALANCING MACHINE IN HOUSE.
WE DO OUR OWN WHEEL WORK AND TIRES.
UH, THE MOBILE COMP, WHEN YOU SAY OLD, HOW OLD IS OLD? THE OLD MACHINE.
AND WHAT'S THE LIFE ON THAT? I'D HAVE TO ASK GERARD, BUT I FOLLOWED WITH THAT.
THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT.
THESE ARE USED TO RAISE THE VEHICLES AS THEY WORK ON THEM.
UM, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S AWARE WHAT THE ISSUES WE GOT DOWN AT THE GARAGE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL OIL ISSUE.
THESE ARE NOW ABOVE GROUND AND THEY'RE ALL AUTOMATED.
SO IT PICKS THE VEHICLES UP, UP AND YOU DO IT.
THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG ONE HERE.
SO WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH AND I KNOW PAUL GETS A LOT OF THE EMAILS.
IT'S ABOUT THE ROADWAYS IN TOWN.
AND THERE WAS A REPORT DONE BACK IN 2017 BY TRANS MAP, WHICH VALUED THE TOWN'S ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE AT A LITTLE OVER $177 MILLION AT
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THE TIME.THEY SUGGESTED A FIX, A TOTAL FIX OF THE TOWN ROADS AT $16.3 MILLION.
DURING THAT TIME, THEY HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ROADWAY CONDITIONS WE REVISED, UM, AFTER NOW TRYING TO PREPARE NEXT YEAR'S BID THAT THERE WERE ROADWAYS THAT WERE ON THIS 2017 REPORT ARE STILL NOT DONE.
SO THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, AND OVER THOSE YEARS, THESE ROADS HAVE OBVIOUSLY DETERIORATED WORSE.
I ASK YOU TO TAKE A RIDE DOWN LEY ROAD, TAKE A RIDE DOWN PARK ROAD, UM, WAS THE OTHER ONE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO OLD EDGEMONT, THERE'S AREAS THAT REALLY, WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLING IN AND WRITING EMAILS ABOUT THESE, GENERALLY THE ROADS ARE IN POOR CONDITION.
BACK THEN, THEY HAD RECOMMENDED HOW MUCH TO PUT IN EACH YEAR TO KIND OF GET A HANDLE ON IT IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS.
SO THIS BUDGET OF $5 MILLION WOULD START THAT, THAT PROCESS TO GET UP TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
UM, WITH THE ROADWAY SYSTEM IN TOWN.
IT'S, SINCE THESE WERE IDENTIFIED YEARS AGO, IT WAS MONEY EARMARKED FOR THEM YEARS AGO AND JUST WASN'T SPENT BECAUSE NO.
THE MONEY'S SPENT EACH YEAR FOR PAVING AND WE GET A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER.
WE TRY TO USE THAT THE NEXT YEAR TO START OUT THE GATE EARLIER.
'CAUSE THE PLANTS GENERALLY OPEN IN APRIL.
GOD WILLING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, SO MY, MY MY QUESTION IS JUST ABOUT WHETHER, WHETHER, WHETHER THIS NUMBER IS REFLECTIVE OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR THE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED IN THE PAST HAS ACTUALLY BEEN SPENT ON THOSE ROADS IN THE PAST.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE IT'S DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
WE, WE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS KIND OF CATCHING UP AND THAT'S, WAIT A MINUTE.
SO WE'RE CONFIDENT THEN THAT THIS $5 MILLION WOULD THEN BE SPENT WITHIN THIS BUDGET PERIOD.
SO HOW MUCH ROADWAY, WELL, I GUESS IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S 16 MILLION, YEAH, WE HAVE 11 MILLION.
THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE.
IF, IF YOU DON'T FIX IT, IT DOESN'T GET BETTER BY ITSELF.
BUT WE USED TO, YEAH, WE HAD A COMPANY GO AROUND YEARS AGO, THAT'S HIS COMPANY.
AND I DON'T EVEN BEFORE 2017 THAT WENT AROUND AND SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD JUST SEAL SOME OF THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, OR YOU GET ALLIGATOR AND THAT'S NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THE WATER SEEPS IN FREEZES AND NOW YOU HAVE A REAL PROBLEM.
IT BECOMES A PROBLEM THIS PAST YEAR.
UM, WE USED, UH, WAS IT NEW YORK STATE SEAL COATING, SEAL COATING.
SO THEY CAME IN, THEY DID ROADWAYS IN TOWN.
IT, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT THOUGH, WITH THE RECLAMATION THAT IT SOMETIMES IT CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS. RIGHT.
THEY USE HIGH HEAT, THEY BURN UP VEGETATION.
SO FOR INSTANCE, C CORPS ROAD, WE USE THAT METHOD.
WHAT THEY PUT DOWN, WE DON'T DO THAT.
IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IS IT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE STATE AID IN THE BUDGET FOR ROTOR PAVING.
I THINK THE CHIPS FUNDS HAVE BEEN INCREASED.
I SAW SOMETHING FROM, WELL, AND WE DO, WE DO GET, WE DO APPLY FOR CHIPS.
THERE'S THREE THROUGH NEW YORK STATE, THERE'S CHIPS, THERE'S EXTREME WINTER RECOVERY, AND THEN THERE'S UH, A THIRD ONE, UM, THAT WE ALWAYS APPLY FOR EVERY YEAR.
BUT THAT'S A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM.
SO IT'S BASED UPON HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPEND OUT.
AND THEN THAT'S HOW YOU GET REIMBURSED.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE INTENT OF THIS, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT $16 MILLION WAS AT 2017.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD'VE COST TO BRING ALL OF THOSE ROADS AT THE TIME THAT WERE RATED AS, UH, POOR OR UH, VERY POOR CONDITION TO BRING THOSE UP TO, UH, GOOD CONDITION IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY SINCE THEN THOSE ROADS HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY BETTER.
NOW WE'VE CHIPPED AWAY AT THAT.
'CAUSE EVERY YEAR WE'VE GOTTEN TWO, $3 MILLION TOWARDS PAVING.
BUT IT DOESN'T EQUATE TO THE NEARLY $16 MILLION THAT THEY HAD AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND WE'VE KIND OF EXHAUSTED THE, WITH THE UH, UH, HOT AND PLACE RECYCLING AND THE DOUBLE MICRO SURFACE, THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE.
WE FOUND THAT THOSE ARE VERY GOOD FOR LONG, STRAIGHT, WIDE OPEN ROADS.
AND WE'VE DONE THOSE ON A LOT OF THOSE ROADS.
LIKE THE ONES ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND THE ONES ON CCO TAX OR, AND TAXI OR, UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST PRACTICE FOR SMALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WE BURN TREES UP, WE BURN VEGETATION UP.
BUT IT'S GOOD ON THE MAIN ROADS THAT ARE STRAIGHT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A FAIRLY AMAZING, I HAVE VIDEO OF IT.
THEY DID IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR PLACE.
THEY DID IT IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE ON YOUR PLANES.
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WE WATCHED IT IN WHITE PLAINS.SO THAT'S THE ROADWAY RESURFACING.
VARIOUS LOCATIONS, $2 MILLION.
AGAIN, WE HAVE 131 MILES A ROAD.
NOT EVERY ROAD HAS CURBS ON IT.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THESE ROADS HAVE BEEN BURIED BY YEARS OF ASPHALT PAVING.
WE'RE DOING AN EMERGENCY JOB ON MOUNT JOY NOW.
AND THE ENGINEER CAME INTO US THE OTHER DAY.
HE SAID THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH 16 INCHES OF ASPHALT ON THAT ROAD.
SO IT WAS JUST PAVED AND PAVED AGAIN EVERY TIME YOU USED TO PAVE AND NOT MILL.
WE'RE DOING CURBS NOW ON NEW ROAD AND THE AREA OFF OF DOCK PRAIRIE ROAD.
THIS IS A CONSTANT MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE USE THE MONEY, WE GET IT, WE PUT A CONTRACT OUT AND WE GO THROUGH IT.
SO THE CURBS REALLY KIND OF IN RE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ROADWAY REFACING.
WE TRY, WE TRY TO DO THE CURBS THE YEAR BEFORE WHERE WE'RE GONNA PAVE.
SO THIS YEAR, MOST OF OURS, THE HEIGHTS WAS DONE LAST YEAR.
THE CURBS WERE DONE AND THEN CONED CAME IN AND KIND OF, WELL THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, UM, COORDINATING WITH CONED AND THEN IN THE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, VEOLIA, UM, BECAUSE HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? YOU DO THE WORK AND THEY COME IN AND THEY RIP IT UP THE NEXT YEAR THEY DO THAT.
IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT USED TO BE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE COORDINATION WITH THEM.
MARTINO DUBIO OR A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH CONED.
UM, AND WHEN THEY GET OFF TRACK, HE PULLS 'EM BACK IN LINE.
UM, BUT LIKE HILLSIDE AVENUE, WE JUST DID THAT LIKE, WHAT IS IT, LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO.
AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA TEAR UP THE ROAD, BUT IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT'S, IT MAY IT IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT BAD.
IT'S MORE TOWARDS THE SHOULDER.
GARRETT, DUANE WHO'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE STATE AND CON EVERYBODY, THEY'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM.
AND IT'S ALSO HOLDING THEM TO TASK AND MAKING SURE THEY DO A GOOD JOB AND THEY PAY US FOR, SO, AND THAT'S ALSO WHAT THEY PAY AND THEY HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL STATE.
WELL THEY, IF THERE'S, IN LIKE THE CASE OF S OF HEIGHTS, THEY'LL REIMBURSE US FOR THE WORK THAT WE DID.
AND THAT'S ALL WORKED OUT FOR ENGINEERING.
AND THEN WE GET A CHECK NOW COLUMBIA, THE AREA OFF OF, UM, HARTEL, EAST HARSDALE AVENUE'S GETTING BLOWN UP.
'CAUSE I WAS THROUGH THERE TODAY.
IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE THAT'S CONED WORK, RIGHT? THAT'S CON ED WORK.
BUT IS IT GONNA AFFECT THAT BEAUTIFUL SIDEWALK? NO.
UM, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND LOOK AT, DO WE NEED TO GO IN THERE NOW? BECAUSE ALL THE, THE CUTS THEY HAVE IN THERE AND RESURFACE DOES SCARSDALE LIKE, REQUIRES THEM TO DO THE FILL, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE WHOLE STREET.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING THAT THE SAME THING.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE WE COULD MOVE ON THAT WE WERE STARTED TO LOOK AT A BUNCH OF THE CODES AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH JOE AND AMANDA AND PEGGY.
SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THE WORKS.
CONED IS NOW STARTING TO FIGHT BACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T FOUGHT BACK IN DALE.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M BIKING AROUND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DIDN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL MESS UP THE ROAD, HALF THE ROAD AND THEN THEY REPAVE THE WHOLE THING.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT WHEN THEY DO DO WORK IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THEY WILL RESTORE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DISTURBED.
SO IF THEY DISTURB THE CURB, THEY'LL REPLACE THE CURB.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY'LL ONLY DO IT ON THEIR ONE SIDE.
BUT WHY, WHY CAN'T WE GET THE SAME TREATMENT THAT SCARSDALE AGAIN? WELL, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.
I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER ON OUR AMENDING THE CODE.
IF YOU LOOK AT COLLEGE CORNERS, WE WERE OUT TO TENANA COMPLAINT AND IT'S CRAZY THAT HALF THE ROAD IS DONE IN THE HALF THE ROAD IS.
BUT THE, THE QUESTION IS LIKE, WHAT COULD WE DO? YOU KNOW, WE SIT AROUND THE TABLE YEAR AFTER YEAR SAYING THE SAME THING.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHY, WHY WE DON'T HAVE, CAN'T WE JUST LIKE INTRODUCE A LOCAL LAW WE CAN AND DO IT LIKE BEFORE THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND THEN WE COULD THEN WE, YOU KNOW, JOE HAS A COMMENT.
I'LL, I'LL HAVE A LAW DRAFTED FOR YOUR REVIEW VERY SHORTLY.
SEE, I SEE HE'S GOT DIS SCARS.
HEY, THIS IS PRIVATE, RIGHT?
MAYBE WE CAN ASK
LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT IN ADVANCE, LIKE THEY TOLD US ABOUT COLUMBIA IN THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR ODDS OF HEIGHTS WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WORKED THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, ANDY VIVIANA, WHO GOT IN THE FIELD REALLY HAS A, A GIFT TO GETTING THAT WORK DONE.
AND IT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF TOWN REALLY.
THAT AFTER FOR US TO WORK WITH CONED BECAUSE ONCE THEY GO IN, IF THEY'RE DOING A GAS MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT, THEN THERE'S NO NEED FOR THEM IN THE FORESEEABLE
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FUTURE TO REALLY DIG ANYTHING UP.BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY LEAKS ON OUR END.
WE'LL GO IN, WE'LL CHECK OUR WATER MAINS, OUR SEWER MAINS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, ITCH ISSUES THERE.
AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRACTICE OF DOING COMPLETE ROADS.
SO THE SUBSURFACE UTILITIES ARE ALL REPLACED.
THEN YOU, YOU FOCUS ON THE CURBS AND THEN YOU PAVE THE ROAD AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK THERE FOR ANOTHER 15, 20 YEARS.
SO IS THERE, LIKE, YOU WALK AWAY FROM IT.
SO YOU, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN ABOUT FORCING THEM TO REPAY THE WHOLE ROAD THERE FOR A FEW YEARS.
IS THERE LIKE A DISADVANTAGE TO BEING TO YOU KNOW, REQUIRING THEM TO DO MORE? ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GETTING MORE FROM THEM BY, YOU KNOW, NOT FORCING THEM? NO, I YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF YOU CAN HAVE 'EM DO CURB TO CURB, IF IT'S, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WORK WITH JOE ON.
IT DEPENDS ON THE WIDTH OF THE STREET.
THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S SOMETHING, LET US WORK WITH JOE AND HIS TEAM TO KIND OF JUMP UP WITH AN ANSWER ON.
I KNOW THIS PAUL'S GONNA TELL US TO SKIP THE MONEY ON THIS NEXT ONE
IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? YES, IT IS VERY NECESSARY.
YES, IT IS SOMETHING PROBABLY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK PAUL? AND THAT SHOULD START TOMORROW.
I DON'T SEE WHY I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY EITHER.
I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE DATE.
SO YOU DON'T THINK WAITING ABOUT FIVE YEARS IS LONG? NOT AT ALL.
HAYWARD OUR NEWEST ENGINEER, I THINK THE, THE DESIGN IS 90% DONE.
THERE'S A FEW QUIRKS HE'S GONNA TRY TO WORK OUT MM-HMM.
SO DO WE HAVE SOME
SO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE AN ANTICIPATED TIME OF WHEN YOUR ENGINEER WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ANSWER? WELL I THINK WE MAYBE OFFLINE SHOULD TALK MORE ABOUT STAFFING LATER, BUT OH, OKAY.
WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
I THINK THIS YEAR WE WERE REALLY ABLE TO, UM, ATTACK SOME OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD.
NOWHERE NEAR A COMPLETE FIX, BUT WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON TRUMBLES AND BROOK, MANHATTAN, BROOK.
ALL THESE AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD ISSUES.
I THINK THE TELLTALE WITH SOME OF THE STORMS WE'VE HAD, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD THAT IMPACT, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.
THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORK FOR A WHILE.
IT'S WITH A CONSULTING ENGINEER THAT HAS TO RE DIVERT, UH, STORMWATER THAT HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND IT WOULD NOW BE PUT IN THE STREET.
UH, D P W RETAINING WALL REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS BEHIND OUR GARAGE FACILITY IN ARDSLEY.
THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT I'VE HEARD NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.
WE WENT OUT TO BID THE BIDS CAME IN OFF THE CHARTS HIGHER THAN, SO THIS FUNDING WOULD THEN ALLOW US TO, TO REPLACE THE WALL.
WE HAVE SOME PREVIOUS CAPITAL FUNDING.
THAT WAS ALLOCATED LAST YEAR AND YEARS IN YEARS PAST.
SO THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT $1.5 MILLION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL 1.5 TO THEN HELP COVER THE TOTAL COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
IS THERE LIKE ANY, UM, COMPANIES THAT BASICALLY WILL DO LIKE A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK THAT UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPLIES ARE GONNA GO DOWN, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE GONNA GO DOWN.
THE RETAINING NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR SOME OF THESE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, SHE CAN'T
I DON'T KNOW THAT HELL YOU CAN 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT AND WE, WE COULD TAKE A RIDE DOWN THERE AND SHOW YOU WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT, SO ARE WE DOING IT WITH RAILROAD TIES AGAIN OR NO, SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEN THIS IS GONNA BE DONE, FINISHED THIS YEAR.
IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED.
SO AS SOON AS THE FUNDING'S IN PLACE, THEN WE IMMEDIATELY CAN PUT IT OUT TO BID AND THEN FROM THERE.
SO YOU WOULD FIGURE IT WILL BE, IT'LL BE DONE.
IS IT LIKE ROCKS BEHIND CHICKEN WIRE? YOU GOTTA SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW.
I MEAN THE DESIGN DESIGN IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE STEEL PILES AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A, UH, A CONCRETE, UH, FACADE IF YOU WILL.
SO WHY WASN'T THIS DONE IN THE PAST? I MEAN, LITERALLY THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR CALENDAR SINCE 2016.
I'M SORRY, TALKING ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE WHEN I DID MY TOUR, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD YEP.
ONE OF THE PLACES YOU TOOK ME WAS TO UM, THE BACK
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OF THAT HIGHWAY THAT TIME.AND YES, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WE COMMITTED TO DOING IT AND IT NEVER GETS, GETS DONE.
WELL THERE WAS A REPAIR DONE AT SOME POINT.
THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WALL.
SO LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO, WE'LL NOT BE ON.
THAT'S THE COMMITMENT PROMISE,
NO, IT WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, KEN JUST SAID, OH, YOU CAN'T WAIT ON THAT WALL.
YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY YOU CAN SINCE 2006.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS HURT TOLD IN MY WONDERFUL TOUR THAT I WAS GIVEN.
UH, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS OBVIOUSLY KICKED IT.
NEXT IS THE OLD JACKSON AVENUE CULVER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE, WHERE ALL THE BARRIERS ARE? YES.
SO WE WENT OUT, UM, I SAW THAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WENT AND CLEANED UP THE BEST THEY COULD MM-HMM.
UM, AND WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THAT? THE ENGINEER HAS IT NOW, SO THEY'RE WORKING ON THE DESIGN.
SO THIS WILL BE READY FOR HOPEFULLY SPRING, SUMMER.
SO IS THIS MEETING OKAY, JUST I'M SORRY.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW THAT, UM, LEE CANALI, WHO IS THE FORMER MAYOR OF HASTINGS AND IS ON THE BOARD FOR, UM, ST.
ANDREW'S, WHICH IS WHERE THIS IS CALLED ME.
AND ACTUALLY HE THOUGHT IT WAS COUNTY, BUT UM, IT WASN'T AND ASKED ABOUT THAT.
AND JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ON ONSITE LEASE, THEY WERE COMPLAINING.
SO THESE GUYS WENT AND JUST KIND OF STRAIGHTENED EVERYTHING OUT AND MADE IT LOOK BETTER IT AS BEST AS THEY COULD STILL, YOU KNOW, ARM, NOT ARM JERSEY BARRIERS AND YEAH.
SO THIS ITY SOFTWARE UPDATE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT FRANK IS ASKING FOR.
IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR D P W AND ENGINEERING.
SO WE WOULD NOW BE LINKED TO THEIR SYSTEM.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE OLD JACKSON AVENUE COHORT BOARD.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED REALLY ABOUT THE, THE TAX IMPLICATIONS.
UM, IF THAT WOULD BE PUT IN 2024, WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE FOR THE COVERT? THE 800,000? IT'S FAILED.
I MEAN, YOU GOT, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE JERSEY BARRIERS, TEMPORARILY PROTECT PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES FROM GOING OFF THIS.
IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO WHEN I, AFTER HURRICANE TO IDA, WHEN I CAME OUT AND I TURNED RIGHT TO HEAD TO TRY TO GO INTO MY OFFICE, THERE WAS A LAKE WITH CARS FLOATING IN IT.
UM, WE DID TAKE OFF THE JACKSON AVENUE REHABILITATION FROM OUR LIST.
UM, WHY, WHY'D WE TAKE IT OFF, UH, IN AFTER TALKING TO GARRETT AND YOU KNOW, GARRETT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY GAR AND WINS.
I'M VERY GOOD WITH THE GRANTS.
THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE A RESULT OF THAT ROADWAY WORK.
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY GRANTS TALK TO, UH, LIEUTENANT REON BEFORE HE TOOK HIS NEW POSITION AND, YOU KNOW, HE WENT THROUGH ACCIDENT REPORTS AND IT JUST, IT'S A $9 MILLION, $10 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, IT, IT WOULD, IT'S STRAIGHTENING OUT THE S-CURVE.
SO IT'S A T INTERSECTION WITH A LIGHT.
AND BECAUSE THAT IS DANGEROUS.
MY HUSBAND HAD AN ACCIDENT THERE AND HE'S ONE OF THE BEST DRIVERS I KNOW.
BUT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T SEE THAT THERE WERE CARS STOPPED IN FRONT, HE CAME AROUND THE CURB AND THERE WAS NO TIME FOR HIM TO STOP.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS THERE ARE, BUT AT THIS POINT WITH NO URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, IF AS LONG AS THEY'RE CAREFUL, THEY JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH, THEY HAVE ROAD NEED DEAL WITH IT TOO, PAUL.
COULD NOT GET FUNDING FOR SUCH AN EXPENSIVE PROJECT BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT RIGHT NOW.
BETTER THAT WE PUT THE MONEY INTO TROUBLESOME BROKE AND MANHATTAN.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, A REAL IMPACT.
NEXT IS, UH, D P W FACILITIES ROOF REPAIR AND MISCELLANEOUS MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.
THE LEAKS WATER DEPARTMENT, HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AGAIN THE LIBRARY YOU KNOW ABOUT MM-HMM.
AND I KNOW BRIAN'S GOT PICTURES HE COULD SHOW YOU.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE GET A, A PLAN IN PLACE AND WE GET A TEAM ON BOARD CARE CENTER.
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BRO? IT'S ON THE LIST.YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE BABBITT COURT.
UH, FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE BRIDGE REPAIR THAT HAS BEEN RED FLAGGED.
OH, YOU WANNA GO BACK TO BAT IT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT IS BEING USED TO ELEVATE THE HOMES? WHY ARE WE DOING SO IT'S A, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO, UH, IT'S A 75 20 5% SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, FEMA AND BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT IT'S UP TO THE TOWN TO ADMINISTER THE PROJECT.
SO WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AWARDING IT TO A CONTRACTOR.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, IN ESSENCE, UPFRONT THOSE COSTS.
GIVE A PURCHASE ORDER ONCE IT GETS AWARDED TO A, UH, A CONTRACTOR TO THEN PERFORM THE WORK.
THEN AFTER THE WORK IS COMPLETE, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE SEEK REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA AND FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE.
THEY'RE KIND OF WORK IN CONJUNCTION AND UH, AND THEN WORK WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN ALSO OBTAIN THAT 25% THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KICK IN.
SO THIS, THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE REIMBURSED.
SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE A, AN ACTUAL NET COST HERE, BUT IT MAKES IT APPEAR AS IF IT'S $575,000 WE HAVE TO BUY.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA NEED THOSE FUNDS UP FRONT, HOWEVER CAN WE GONNA BOND AND, AND WHEN WITH A FEMA, WHEN YOU GO FOR REIMBURSEMENT, SO THIS PROJECT IS MOST LIKELY GONNA TAKE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TIME NUMBER ONE, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE.
IN CASE ANYBODY IS UNAWARE, UH, I KNOW KRISTA REACHED OUT TO, UM, UH, THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE COMPLETING THEIR REVIEW AND THEY EXPECT THAT TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
BUT THEN UPON THEIR COMPLETION, IT THEN HAS TO GET KICKED UP TO FEMA.
AND THAT FEMA REVIEW CAN TAKE A A, AN ADDITIONAL COUPLE MONTHS UNTIL WE HEAR BACK MM-HMM.
NOW ON OUR END, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T REALLY TAKE ANY ACTION UNTIL WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE AWARDED THIS, THIS GRANT OR NOT.
SO ONCE WE HEAR BACK FROM FEMA, THEN AT THAT POINT ON OUR END, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT OUT AN R F P BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BRING IN A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO COME IN.
NUMBER ONE, TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH FORMAL, UH, DESIGNS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ELEVATED.
UH, FINALIZE THOSE DRAWINGS, WORK THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, ASSIST WITH THE GRANT FUNDING ALSO.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO THAT WHOLE PROCESS OF OBTAINING AN R F P, GETTING A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL THAT'S GONNA TAKE ANYWHERE FROM, IT COULD BE SIX, SEVEN MONTHS TO, TO AT LEAST, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF FIELD WORK.
GOING OUT MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY, PROPERTY OWNERS, MEETING WITH CONTRACTORS.
AND THEN ONCE THEY FINALIZE THAT, THEN THE BID PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE ANOTHER TWO, THREE MONTHS.
AND THEN CONSTRUCTION THAT FORMALLY STARTS.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE GRANT, WE MET WITH SOME CONTRACTORS WHO, WHO HAD DONE PRIOR PROJECTS AND THEY SAID THAT THIS WORK CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO MAYBE EVEN MORE, DEPENDING UPON SOME OF THE COMP, YOU KNOW, COMPLICATIONS THAT MIGHT COME UP.
UM, SO REALISTICALLY YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION REALLY STARTING FOR THIS PROJECT UNTIL 2024.
UM, BUT I THINK ON OUR END, THE TOWN'S END, I KNOW AT LEAST HOMEOWNER IS GASPING RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I KNOW BECAUSE MS. SMITH.
'CAUSE REMEMBER THE, THE HOMEOWNER, UH, MS. RODRIGUEZ HAS BEEN OUT OF HER HOME SINCE THIS STARTED MM-HMM.
SO, AND SHE CAN'T GET IN, THEY WON'T EXTEND THE FEMA.
THEY WON'T EXTEND ANYTHING PAST THE PASSED THAT PAST THAT TIME PERIOD.
SO THAT'S WHY I MEAN, IT TAKE MORE THAN 18 MONTHS.
SO WE JUST NEED TO GIVE HER AND GIVE THE OTHER MS. SOTO ANOTHER UPDATE BECAUSE I MEAN, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS REALLY IN MANAGING THE MONEY IS HOW DO WE DEAL WITH MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE REIMBURSED TO US? AND IT'S NOT REALLY A COST TO THE TOWN.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE SET UP THE CAPITAL PROJECT, WE PUT IN A BUDGET RIGHT.
FOR WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING.
AND WHEN WE RECEIVE THOSE MONIES, THOSE MONIES ARE KIND OF NETTED AGAINST THAT PROJECT LINE.
SO WE NEED TO LAY IT OUT, WE NEED TO LAY OUT THE EXPENSE AND THEN WHEN WE GET REIMBURSED, THE REVENUE WILL OFFSET THE EXPENSE.
BUT ARE WE GOING TO BOND FOR THAT MONEY BECAUSE THAT INCREASES OUR BOND EXPOSURE MM-HMM.
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IT IT AND AOR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN COME OUT OF THE THREE MIL? RIGHT.
AND THAT WAY THEN WE REPLENISH IT AND THEN WE HAVE THAT MONEY AGAIN TO USE IN 24.
IS THE THREE MIL STILL THERE? 'CAUSE WE KEEP USING THAT THREE MIL.
NO, WE, I JUST, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT FOR THE EIGHT, THE 300 WHATEVER.
I'M JUST, I'M I'M JUST MAKING A POINT.
WE KEEP, WE KEEP, WE KEEP RELYING ON THIS $3 MILLION.
SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE AFTER, AFTER A WHILE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE $3 MILLION TO, TO, SO, SO ARE WE SAYING THAT, I'M SORRY, BRIAN.
ARE WE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA BOND FOR THIS OR WE'RE GONNA USE THIS AGAINST THE THREE MIL OR WE'RE NOT SURE YET? WE'RE NOT SURE YET.
THE COMPLEX PART IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT BEGINNING IN, IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR, 2023.
SO THAT'S WHERE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THEN I IMAGINE IT'S, YOU HAVE TO BOND FOR SOMETHING TO OBTAIN THE MONIES FIRST AND THEN YOU DON'T GET REIMBURSEMENT TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
OR WE HAVE IT FROM THIS $3 MILLION AND THEN WE'RE NOT BONDING IT AND NOT PAYING INTEREST AND THEN WE'RE GETTING THE MONEY REIMBURSED TO US THAT CAN BE USED IN A FUTURE PROJECT IN 24.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THOUGH, UM, TO NOTE, I MEAN THE PURPOSE OF OF THE GRANT IS FOR FUTURE MITIGATION.
SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE SET UP A MEETING WITH FEMA AND FIND OUT, 'CAUSE IT IS SUCH GONNA BE A LONG TIMELINE TO MEET WITH, WITH THEM AND WITH THE STATE TO FIND OUT WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE ARE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE TWO HOMEOWNERS.
AND THEN THIS WAY THEY CAN LIVE AND, AND, AND MOVE BACK IN AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE TIME.
SO WHEN CAN WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS? UNTIL WHEN, NOT UNTIL THE GRANT HAS BEEN AWARDED OR THE GRANT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
I THINK CAN WE START DOING THAT HABITABLE NOW? YEAH.
I THINK INITIALLY I THINK THAT 18 MONTHS FOR FEMA, THE INTENT IS TO, FOR A HOMEOWNER TO MAKE THE HOME HABITABLE SO YOU CAN MOVE IN.
THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE WERE HOPEFUL MM-HMM.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT'S TAKING FOR THE FEMA REVIEW MM-HMM.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S A MATTER OF DEALING WITH FEMA.
MAYBE THERE'S REIMBURSEMENTS THAT THEY CAN GIVE DIRECTLY TO THE HOMEOWNER.
SO WHEN DOES THAT CONVERSATION START? I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE SHOULD THAT SOON, BECAUSE THAT MARCH DATE IS, MARCH IS IN TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
SO, SO TOMORROW, UM, UH, WE WILL REACH OUT TO KRISTA AND KRISTA HAS THE CONTACT WITH, UM, NEW YORK STATE AND WITH, UH, FEMA AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEIR AVAILABILITY.
AND MAYBE WE CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, OTHER GRANTS, WHATEVER FOR THE TWO HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE SO IMPACTED TO HELP THEM HELP THEM ALONG.
NEXT IS FAIRVIEW PARK, UH, DRIVE BRIDGE REPAIR.
THIS BRIDGE HAS BEEN RED FLAGGED BY NEW YORK STATE AND THESE REPAIRS.
SO WE'RE UNDER A MANDATE TO DO THAT.
AN ENGINEER IS ON BOARD NOW, UM, AND COMING UP WITH REPAIRS.
UH, FIRST IS LOIS BOND'S PLAYGROUND.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH, UH, THE, UH, THE CENTER AND, UH, THE COUNTY.
AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL PLAN PLACE, AND I THINK YOU COULD, ALL THE THANKS GOES TO WINDHAM GORDON.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT COST IS FOR.
THE SECOND PART IS THE FRONT PARKING LOT, UM, FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF IT.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW THIS WORKS.
THERE'S A PHASE TWO, THERE'S A PHASE THREE, THIS IS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS.
PHASE ONE IS FOR THE, THE, THE FIVE TO 12 YEAR OLD PLAYGROUND AND THE, THE TODDLER PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES.
AND THEN THE PHASE TWO IS FOR THE, THE PRE-K STRUCTURE.
UM, IT'S THIS, THIS PROJECT'S UNDER A C D B G GRANT FUNDING.
SO IT'S, UH, C D B G IS FOR 2 50, 200
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$50,000 AND THEN IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING.UH, OVER THAT THERE'S A TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST OF THE 540,000.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE TOWN'S MATCH WOULD THEN BE THE $290,000 FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN IN ANOTHER $40,000 THAT THE TOWN HAS TO PICK UP.
BECAUSE IF IT'S $240,000 AND C B G G IS GIVING US THE 250, THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT TWO 50.
SO IT'S, THE TOWN'S MATCH WOULD BE TWO 290,000.
SO A THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THIS IS PHASE ONE? THIS IS PHASE ONE.
AND WE WHAT PHASE TWO IS GONNA COST GO? UM, I DON'T, I I, I HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE GOT THE DESIGN PRETTY WELL DONE.
THERE IS SURVEYING WORK THAT'S TAKEN PLACE.
THE FIRST SURVEYOR WE HAD WAS UNRESPONSIVE AFTER MANY, MANY MONTHS.
SO WE'VE GONE TO THE SECOND RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.
UM, SO I THINK AS WE GET THAT, AND THEN YOU DIG THROUGH THE DETAILS AND HAVE WE EXPLORED, UM, GRANT MONEY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OF THE POPULATION BEING SERVED, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE GRANT MONEY TO HELP US WITH WHAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA TURN OUT TO BE ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN MATCHING FUNDS.
SO THE C D B G FUNDS ARE JUST FOR PHASE ONE COVERING THAT FIRST PLAYGROUND.
SO THE SECOND PLAYGROUND IS GET, DOESN'T GET FUNDING UNLESS WE APPLY FOR IT.
SO WE NEED TO APPLY FOR SOME OTHER SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THE SECOND PLAYGROUND.
WELL, I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS, UM, AND WE CAN CONFIRM WITH WINSOME, BUT THE THOUGHT WAS TO BREAK INTO TWO PHASES.
SO YOU CAN WORK UNDER C D B G FUNDING FOR THIS FIRST PHASE, AND THEN FOR PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT YEAR, YOU COULD THEN ALSO SEEK ADDITIONAL C D CDVG GRANT FUNDING.
SO YOU COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL $250,000 NEXT YEAR FOR THAT SECOND PART OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
SO THIS IS THE AFTERMATH OF THE RESEARCH AS TO WHO OWNS THE PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WE AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAYGROUND WAS THE TOWN HAD A, A HAND IN THE PLAYGROUND.
SO NOW WE AGREED TO HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN SO THE FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND NOW WE NEED TO REPLACE IT AND IT'S A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO START TO, FOR THAT PLAYGROUND.
SO OUR UNDERSTANDING, WE MET OUT THERE, UH, WITH THE COUNTY.
SO THE COUNTY IS VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN THIS ALSO.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN, IT'S THE CCB D C BEEN WORKING.
AND SO IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CURRENT PLAYGROUND THAT'S OUT THERE, IS IT, IT CAN'T EVEN BE USED.
IT'S IT WITH THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
AND I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL PLAYGROUND CRI, BUT, UH, IT'S OUTDATED AND THE CHILDREN CAN'T EVEN PLAY ON IT.
'CAUSE WHAT WAS I GUESS CONSIDERED SAFE WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY PUT IN IS NO LONGER CONSIDERED SAFE FOR CHILDREN.
WELL THAT'S, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
IT'S, IT, IT'S ALSO RUSTED AND BROKEN PIECES AND THE GROUND.
SO THAT IT'S GOT, THEY NOT ONLY ARE REPLACING THE EQUIPMENT THEY'VE GOT RE IT'S A COMPLETE REDO, COMPLETE DEMOLISH THAT DEMOLISHED THE GROUND.
BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE DEALING, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH THIS WHOLE ISSUE, THIS IS GONNA BE TOWN EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING INTO THIS ENCLOSED AREA THAT'S OPERATED BY THE GROUP THAT'S RUNNING THE DAYCARE CENTER.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OF HOW THEY OVERSEE AND MANAGE THE CHILDREN WHEN THEY'RE USING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
ARE WE GETTING INDEMNIFIED BY THIS GROUP SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE THE PROPER OVERSIGHT OF THE CHILDREN? WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT IN WRITING BEFORE THIS CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE ANY INDEMNIFICATION.
UM, SO THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION AND I'LL REACH BACK OUT TO THEIR ATTORNEY AND WE'LL DRAFT SOMETHING UP FOR YOUR REVIEW AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO SHORE.
IT'S RUNNING NOT THE ONE THAT'S RUNNING THE DAYCARE CENTER.
AND WE'RE PUTTING EQUIPMENT IN AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE A FREE RIDE.
SHOULD THEY BE NEGLIGENT? I'M NOT SAYING THEY WILL BE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT THE TOWN AND THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER HOW THIS EQUIPMENT IS BEING USED ONCE WE PUT IT IN.
BUT THERE, YEAH, THERE IS THE PROTECTION IN THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE USING IT AND THEY HAVE TO, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHILDREN.
SO THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE IT'S PROPERLY CARED FOR TOO.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M NOT CONTRADICTING YOU.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO CD VG AND BY THE WAY, THE PAVILION,
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I BELIEVE IS VIDED.I THINK THERE'S A MEETING OUT THERE TODAY OR TOMORROW.
AND THANK YOU ROBERTA, FOR COMING OUT WITH THE FUNDING.
UM, NEXT IS STORMWATER DETENTION, POND MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.
I'M SORRY, IN THE PARKING LOT.
THE PARKING LOT IS THE, UH, THE FRONT AREA.
IT'S A COMPLETE, NOW I UNDERSTAND IT'S A D A COMPLIANCE WITH THE, THE SIDEWALKS.
IT'S A REDESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT.
PARKING LOT DOESN'T, I MEAN, WHEN YOU GUYS WERE UP THERE GIVING OUT THE TESTS AND YOU SAW THE SENIORS HAVING TO GET WALKED IN FROM, THERE'S NO RAMPS, THERE'S NOWHERE TO DROP.
IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T FUNCTION CORRECTLY.
SO, UM, SUZETTE LOPA WITH THE COUNTY, UM, PLANNING IS WORKING ON A, I THINK A BIG PART OF THAT IS ALSO THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT.
ONE THING THAT WE LEARNED, ESPECIALLY DURING HURRICANE IDA, WAS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT IS AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE DOORS ENTERING INTO THE T D Y C C UH, COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO WHENEVER THAT WATER HEAVY RAIN GOES DOWN THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT IN, IT RUNS DIRECTLY INTO THE, THE FRONT, BASICALLY THE FRONT DOORS.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SO GOD FORBID IF YOU GET ANOTHER EVENT LIKE THAT, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME MITIGATION IN PLACE.
SO IT'S NOT AS, I'M JUST SAYING, HOPEFULLY I GOTTA CHECK THE DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT I, I'M JUST, WHEN I SAY HOPEFULLY ANOTHER EVENT LIKE HURRICANE IDA, YOU NEVER TRULY DESIGN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU CAN AT LEAST TRY AND MITIGATE FROM LOSS.
THE NEXT ONE, NEXT ONE IS STORMWATER DESIGN AND POND MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE.
UH, THE, THERE'S TWO TOLL BROTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE TOWN WAS GIFTED, UH, BASINS FOR OUR MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE DO HAVE TO WORK ON, THERE'S A TAXING DISTRICT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN PLACE.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT ENDED UP.
UM, BUT THAT REALLY HAS TO GET LOOKED AT.
TOLL BROTHERS TWO DEVELOPMENTS.
THEY GIFTED US ATTENTION BUNCH WHEN THEY DID THE DEVELOPMENT AND WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS.
EVIDENTLY BACK THEN WE TOOK THESE PARCELS OF PROPERTY WITH THE BASINS ON 'EM THAT WE NOW HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S THE, THE APPROACH.
UM, I'VE SEEN IT SET UP TWO SEPARATE WAYS.
THERE'S SOME SUBDIVISIONS IN TOWN WHERE THERE'S AN H O A THAT'S ESTABLISHED AND THE H O A IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR TAKING CARE OF THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, IS THE HOAS AREN'T ALWAYS AWARE OF THEIR MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION TO, TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK AT THE TIME, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THESE TWO SUBDIVISIONS BECAUSE I WAS IN HERE WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, BUT I THINK THE THOUGHT CHANGED AT THE TIME OR THE APPROACH CHANGED TO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ON AN H O A TO MAINTAIN THESE AREAS, THE TOWN CAN ESTABLISH A TAXING DISTRICT, THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT FOR THESE HOMES.
AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE ON THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING, WE'RE JUST SAYING FOR THE, IN THIS CASE IT'S THE, UM, THE BASINS, THE STORMWATER BASIN DETENTION BASINS THAT THEY HAVE ON MOST SITES.
'CAUSE IT IS A, A LARGE RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S, IT'S GOING IN THERE, DOING ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.
CLEANING OUT ANY VEGETATION, ANY TREES, MAKING MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT COME UP.
UM, AND WITH THESE TWO SUBDIVISIONS, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SET UP WHERE, SO COULD WE SEE IF THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND, UH, FOR THE TAXING DISTRICT? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE NOW WE HAVE TO ASK THE RESIDENTS, DO YOU APPROVE OF US TAXING YOU? AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA COME UP WITH A POSITIVE RESULT.
GARRETT, I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR BASINS.
ACTUALLY THREE OF 'EM ARE LARGE, ONE'S SMALLER.
SO YES, THAT'S SOMETHING I BELIEVE WAS PART OF THAT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE ASKING THE TAXPAYERS TO TAKE CARE OF A DETENTION BASIN FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT IN.
SO WHO'S GONNA LOOK, WHO'S GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT? I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH JOE AND GARRETT.
YOU SEE HOW THAT WAS DONE? YOU SEE TEAMWORK? IT WASN'T, I'LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT I CAN FIRED IT'S TEAMWORK.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE CONSOLIDATED WATER DEPARTMENT OR DISTRICT.
THIS IS A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
UM, THIS IS IN THE HIGH POINT ROAD AREA.
UM, THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S GOTTA GET LOOKED AT.
UH, IT NEEDS A, A NEW WATER MAIN.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, UM, BRIAN, MYSELF, ANDY DONNELLY, UH,
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REF TELLIS WITH THE WATER ADVISORY BOARD.SO THE $4 MILLION IS SOLELY FOR THAT ONE AREA.
AND IT'S INVOLVED PROJECT MM-HMM.
UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT A PLAN TO BE PUT IN PLACE, UH, FOR THE WATER DISTRICT.
IT'S MORE OF A MASTER PLAN ON CAPITAL.
AND I THINK THE WATER ADVISORY BOARD REALLY LIKED THE IDEA.
UM, IT COME BACK, WE WOULD PUT SOME BEST PRACTICES IN PLACE.
FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF MILES WE HAVE OF WATER MAIN, YOU COME UP WITH A PERCENTAGE EACH YEAR THAT YOU GO TO CAPITAL AND IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN OR REPLACE MM-HMM.
BUT I, I THINK WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION WITH THE, WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD.
AND THEY WERE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
BUT THIS PROJECT IS ON FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND WE ALSO, UM, THE CONTACT TANK HAS BEEN ONGOING.
I THINK NOW IT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MARCH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING MAYBE MAY.
SO THAT IS AN ONGOING, UH, VERY EXTENSIVE PROJECT.
AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CAPITAL NEEDED FOR THAT.
YOU SAID YOU WANTED A GAS GUZZLER.
YOU SAID YOU WANTED SOMETHING WITH SOME POWER.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE NEEDS IS A CAR THAT GOES REALLY FAST SO HE CAN GO 30, 30 MILES, 65 MILES HOUR CAR.
I JUST WAS GONNA ASK, UM, COULD YOU MAYBE I REALLY WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED ON WORK PLANS BECAUSE I FEEL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, BUDGETS, CAPITAL BUDGETS JUST WEREN'T SPENT.
AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED ESTIMATE.
YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA BE THE PROJECT COORDINATOR AND THEN THE TIMELINE, ASSUMING THAT THE BUDGET GETS ACHIEVED IN APRIL.
UH, I, AND I GOTTA SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, ROBERTA'S BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND HER DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO DRAW DOWN THOSE LINES.
NOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING A A A AND THE BOARD APPROVED A A VERY EXTENSIVE, UH, RELINING PROJECT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA START TO SEE THOSE LINES DRAW DOWN.
AND THESE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, FIELD GOOD PROJECTS.
THESE ARE THINGS WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AN EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A LARGE TAX HIKE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BREAK THE BUDGET.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, ESPECIALLY UNDERSTAND THE ROADS AND THE CURBS.
UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, YOU GET THE EMAILS.
I KNOW EVERYBODY SEES THAT THIS, YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD MM-HMM.
BUT IT, IT GETS TO A POINT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BELITTLE THE SUBJECT WHERE YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA PUT THINGS IN PLACE SO THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T FAIL.
YOU CAN'T, NICK GOTTA GET DONE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ROBERTA'S GONNA GIVE US, UM, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE TO TAXPAYERS.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU HAVE TO HANDLE IT.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE WANT TO BITE THE BILL IN AND JUST GET IT ALL DONE.
I MEAN, AND HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH RICH AND BRIAN, IT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NICKEL AND DIAMOND, JUST AS RICH JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THIS STUFF OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
FRANCIS MENTIONED SOMETHING FROM 26, 20 0 6, 2006, 2 0 6 THAT WE KEEP PUSHING, PUSHING, PUSHING.
WE AT A POINT, NOW WE'RE IN 2023, WE CAN'T KEEP GOING ON.
WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA COST US MORE IF WE KEEP KI KICKING THE ROAD DOWN, KEN.
SO, AND I, UNDER, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
I DON'T WANT WANT, I DON'T WANT ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS TAXES TO BE RAISED.
BUT IF THIS IS ONE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS WE MAKE IT BETTER, THEN THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO.
AND I'M HOPING THAT IT DOES NOT COST A LOT.
IT'S JUST THE REALITY AT REPLACING THOSE, THOSE UTILITY POLES IN 2006, IT WOULD'VE BEEN LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THAT.
NO, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE BEING CRITICAL.
I JUST THINK THAT I UNDER, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND WE DON'T WANNA GIVE A TAX SITE, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO JUST REALLY UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF ALL OF THIS.
IN OUR OWN HOMES, IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE A ROOF, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET IT GO.
WE HAVE TO TAKE, WE PRIDE OURSELVES GREEN HOME.
AND IF IT COSTS US A LITTLE BIT MORE AS TAX PAYERS TO DO THE WORK, JUST LIKE WE WOULD DO ON OUR HOME IN A GIVING YEAR, BECAUSE SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONFRONT.
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DEFERRING PROJECTS SO THAT YOU SPREAD THE BUDGET FROM 23 TO 23, 24 WITH A HARD STOP AT 24, THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK FORWARD ABOUT WHAT KIND OF EXPENSES AND THINGS ARE GONNA COME UP FOR 2024.BECAUSE THEN THAT, YOU KNOW IT, YOU PAY NOW, PAY LATER.
AND YOU NEVER KNOW, THE TOWN CONTROLLER COULD COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SPELL MORE.
SO WHAT I MEAN, YOU DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF NUMBER EACH YEAR.
DRAINAGE, GOD KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH THESE STUDIES.
YOU COULD HAVE A MASSIVE PROJECT, TROUBLESOME BROOK, IF YOU'VE GOTTA GO AND REPLACE THAT MAIN, AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S MAYBE MONIES OUT THERE TO HELP MAYBE EMRICH AND MARY JANESKY.
AND OTHERS COULD HELP US WITH THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A $10 MILLION PROJECT ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND THEN RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE AREAS THAT WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE GREAT EXPENDITURE GOING FORWARD.
IT'S, IT'S AN AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WERE OUT, UM, ON ANDOVER THIS AFTERNOON WITH SOME RESIDENTS, LOVELY PEOPLE OUT THERE, VERY NICE GROUP.
EVERYBODY REALLY GOT ALONG NICELY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY GOT SOME REAL DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND YOU START TO LOOK AT, THERE'S A CORRUGATED METAL PIPE RUNNING THROUGH THEIR YARDS AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT'VE FAILED IN ONE PLACE.
BUT YOU HAVE AN AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT'S DOWN THE ROAD WITH US? WITH WHAT? LIKE WATER AND SEWER.
YOU GOT A LEAD AND COPPER RULE COMING OUT WITH WATER.
THAT'S GONNA BE A MASSIVE PROJECT.
THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME THIS WAY AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A CAR.
YOU COULD WAIT ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO MAYBE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE MADE FOR A COUPLE OF, WE'VE BEEN, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN KICKING IT DOWN THE RIGHT, LIKE I JUST SAID, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS OVER AND OVER.
RIGHT THIS POINT, THE CAR IS BEING HELD TOGETHER.
DUCT TAPE, LIKE DUCT, YOU KNOW, ON AT THIS POINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE TO, UM, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE DUCT TAPE.
I KNOW
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND GREAT.
THAT'S A, I DON'T THINK GAR, THAT'S A NO NO CHECKING ON HIM RIGHT NOW.
T D Y C C GYM, THERE'S A CONTRAPTION THAT TAKES THE WATER AND THEY'RE VERY CLEVER.
LISTEN, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT IT A LOT, BUT YOU REALLY GOT SOME REALLY GREAT EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR THIS TOWN.
THEY GIVE IT 110% EVERY DAY AND THEY'RE WHAT KEEPS US RUNNING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE GONNA CONTINUE TO HIRE THOSE EMPLOYEES.
SO GARON SAYS THIS IS ONLY 10 MINUTES.
WE HAVE, UM, I APPRECIATE, LET'S SEE HOW THAT GOES.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO GARRETT, SO YES, HE'S ON.
OKAY, SO, SO THIS WORKS OUT 10.
SEVEN O'CLOCK AND THEN MY DEBT IS PAID.
BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU'RE ON PAGE TWO OF THE, UH, DOCUMENT THAT ROBERTA CIRCULATED TODAY, UM, OR I CAN SHARE SCREEN, I'LL TELL YOU HOW MUCH.
SO SHE JUST GAVE ME TOO MUCH AND THEN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO ABLE ALRIGHT, WE FINE GARRETT? IT'S GARRETT.
AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, THE C D N C CAPITAL BUDGET REQUESTS HERE.
SO LET'S START WITH, UH, PEDESTRIANS SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE THE, UH, AMOUNT OF $700,000, WHICH IS THE, THE C D N C CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST.
AND THIS IS FOR THE HILLSIDE AVENUE SIDEWALK.
THAT SIDEWALK IS SLATED TO, UH, BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, UM, MAY OF THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, WE'RE, IT'S IN A VERY GOOD POSITION.
THE PROJECT HAS GONE THROUGH BID.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY, UM, CONTRACTED WITH THE LOW BIDDER AND, UM, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD.
THE PROJECT, UM, IS ALSO FINANCED BY A MILLION DOLLARS OF, OF NEW YORK STATE TAP GRANT FUNDING.
SO THE TOWN, UH, MATCH PORTION IS THAT 700,000.
UM, BECAUSE THE PROJECT'S FULLY BID AND WE KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT THE, UM, CONSULTANT, UH, WILL, WILL BE, UM, REQUIRING FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION.
UM, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THIS AMOUNT WILL AMOUNT WILL NOT BE EXCEEDED.
SO, UH, MAYBE I'LL LEAVE IT THERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON HILLSIDE AVENUE? NO,
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THE R R F B THAT'S GOING TO BE ON HILLSIDE AVENUE.UH, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IN THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, SOUTHERNMOST GRANADA, UM, DRIVEWAY ADDRESS.
UM, THAT WILL CONNECT AN UPDATED BUS STOP IN FRONT OF GRANADA, UH, TO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH WILL BE ACROSS THE STREET ON THE SAME SIDE AS TOWN HALL.
UM, WE'LL CALL IT IN THE NORTHBOUND LANE.
SO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM THERE THAT YOU SEE IS ALSO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
AND, UH, IT'S THE EAST WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
THE AMOUNT SOUGHT BY CD AND C IN CAPITAL BUDGET FUNDING IS 250,000.
SO THIS IS FUNDING THAT WILL GO DIRECTLY TO A CONSULTANT AND THEIR WORK WILL BE ENCOMPASSED BY TOPO AND SURVEYING, UM, SURVEYING WORK BOUNDARY TOPO, BOUNDARY SURVEYING WORK, AS WELL AS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF, UM, ENGINEERING DESIGN.
I KNOW WE DISCUSSED WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE BEFORE.
UM, PART OF THIS PROJECT IS INDEED A SIDEWALK FROM FOUR CORNERS UP TO PAC CAPONE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD THAT'S, UM, DOING THAT SURVEYING WORK.
THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THE DESIGN WORK, WHICH INCLUDES SIDEWALK, IT INCLUDES DRAINAGE.
I KNOW DRAINAGE CAME UP QUITE A BIT, UM, IN, IN THE DISCUSSION EARLIER TONIGHT AS I WAS LISTENING.
AND THAT CON THIS FUNDING WILL ALSO PAY FOR THE CONSULTANT TO, UM, DESIGN THE, UH, ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM, WHICH WILL BE A SERIES OF UPDATED TRAFFIC SIGNALS STARTING AT, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF CENTRAL AND EAST AND WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE ON DOWN TO THE HARTSDALE TRAIN STATION UHHUH.
SO THIS IS A SERIES OF NEW LIGHTS THAT WILL REALLY, UH, IMPROVE TRAFFIC EFFICIENCY AND TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, THROUGH THE, OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS CORRIDOR THERE.
AND LASTLY, THE PROJECT, UH, INCLUDES TRAFFIC CALMING, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MEASURES ALONG EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
SO YOU SHOULD THINK CROSSWALKS, UM, UPDATED CURB RAMPS, A D A CURB RAMPS AND BUMP OUTS TO REDUCE THE LENGTH THAT PEDESTRIAN HAS TO CROSS THE STREET.
SO, UM, THIS IS PART OF A LARGER $5 MILLION GRANT AND IT'S A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT.
UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT THE FUNDS THAT ARE NEED NEEDS THAT, THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE AVAILABLE ARE IS THE, THIS, THIS REQUEST THAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU, WHICH IS THE $250,000, WHICH WILL, UM, COVER THE CONSULTANTS' WORK IN THE YEAR OF 2023.
SO ARE THESE MATCHES OR JUST MONEY WE'RE PUTTING OUT? SO ON PAGE TWO, THE WAY I HAVE THESE ALL FORMATTED RIGHT, IS, UM, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE UNDERLINED IS THE AMOUNT THAT, UM, IS THE TOWN PORTION.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER AMOUNTS THAT ARE PART OF THE GRANT.
UM, AND THOSE, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING WITH ROBERTA ARE NOT THE AMOUNTS THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, CAP CAPITAL BUDGET AND OR, AND OR BOND.
UM, SO THE CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST IS 700,000 FOR THE $1.7 MILLION PROJECT IN TOTAL THE EAST WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
IT'S THE $250,000 CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO THE TOWN MATCH.
UM, AND THE, AND THAT'S AN 80 20 SPLIT.
SO, UH, IN ESSENCE, UM, CONSULTANT WORK WILL, UH, APPROACH A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT IN THE YEAR, UH, 2023.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, HARTSDALE BROOK, UM, FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT.
SO THE AMOUNT SOUGHT BY THIS DEPARTMENT IS $200,000.
IF I HAD TO USE AN ASTERISK ON THIS DOCUMENT, IT WOULD BE FOR THIS AMOUNT.
UM, WHAT I CAN DESCRIBE IS THAT THE, THE, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, WE APPLIED FOR $600,000 OF FEMA FUNDING TO, UM, DO ADVANCED DESIGN AND ENGINEERING STUDIES FOR THE HARTSDALE, UH, BROOK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS, IT RUNS FROM, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE ALL THE WAY ON DOWN TO THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY BEHIND THE, YOU KNOW, THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS ON EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.
THIS DOCUMENT SAYS, SAYS 300,000.
I'M SORRY, THIS DOCUMENT SAYS YOU APPLIED FOR 800,000.
SO IN TOTAL, IT ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
IN TOTAL, THE TOWN HAS REQUESTED, UH, $800,000 OF, OF GRANT FUNDING, 600.
THAT BREAKDOWN IS $600,000 FROM FEMA AND IT'S $200,000, UH, FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY FLOOD MITIGATION PROGRAM.
NOW, THE REASON I, I THREW OUT THIS ASTERISK, UH, ANECDOTE HERE IS THAT IF THE TOWN OBTAINS IS SUCCESSFUL WITH THE $600,000 FEMA REQUEST, AND WE'RE ALSO SUCCESSFUL WITH THE $200,000, UH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY GRANT REQUEST, THE THE TWO FUNDS
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CAN MA MATCH EACH OTHER.SO BOTH ENTITIES HAVE OPENLY CONVEYED THAT, UM, THE COUNTY GRANT CAN, CAN BE USED AS A MATCH FOR FEMA AND THE FEMA GRANT CAN BE USED AS A MATCH FOR THE COUNTY FUNDING.
SO THE REASON WHY I SAY AN ASTERISK, UM, AND I WAS TRACKING THE LAST DISCUSSION, UM, THE THEME OF FUNDING WE, WE APPLIED FOR, I'M TOLD WE SHOULD FIND OUT EARLY MARCH, AND THAT'S THE SAME FUNDING THAT BRIAN WAS REFERRING TO, I BELIEVE, WITH THE, UM, UM, RAISING OF THE HOMES THERE, UH, UH, IN ELMSFORD.
SO WHEN I SAY ASTERISK, IF WE GET THE FEMA FUNDING, I I, I FEEL CONFIDENT WE, WE ARE ON TRACK TO GET THE COUNTY FUNDING.
I WILL NOT VIEW THIS $200,000.
UM, IF WE DO NOT GET THE, THE FEMA FUNDING, UM, THE $200,000 IS A PLACEHOLDER, UM, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE COUNTY $200,000 REQUEST, GIVING US AT LEAST $400,000.
UM, I WILL SAY WE HAD MEETINGS WITH FEMA, THEY ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT, UM, THE, A GRANT APPLICATION WE FILED FOR THE 600,000 WAS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLETE APPLICATIONS THEY'VE SEEN IN THEIR, LIKE, LIKE TIME IN REVIEWING THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND I DO PASS THAT PRAISE ONTO THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE YOU DID AUTHORIZE FUNDING FOR US TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, AND THAT CONSULTANT REALLY DID THE CRITICAL MASS OF THAT GRANT WORK.
BUT, UM, I'M, I'M SUPER HOPEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OBTAIN THAT GRANT.
BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY IF, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN ROBERTA WILL GO TO BOND, BUT, UM, I WILL KEEP IN CONTACT WITH HER AND, UM, MY HOPE IS THAT I, MY REQUEST IS ZERO AND THAT WE GET BOTH THESE GRANTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, WE HAVE DOBBS FERRY ROAD AND, UM, I HAVE ZERO DOWN.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH ROBERTA, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS, UM, A GRANT AWARD, SHE DID WANT THAT, THAT, THAT HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, AND ALSO I, I DID PUT INTO, UM, THE CD AND C UH, OPERATING BUDGET REQUEST, UM, CONSULTANT LINE.
UM, THIS, THIS IS AN AMOUNT FOR A CONSULTANT THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE ORDER OF, OF ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND, UM, THE, THE THOUGHT IN SPEAKING WITH ROBERTA WAS NOT TO CAPITAL BUDGET THAT AMOUNT, WHICH IS ON THE SMALLER SIDE OF THINGS AND, UM, TO GO OPERATING BUDGET.
SO THERE'S NO REQUEST FOR THE DOBBS FERRY SIDEWALK, BUT, UM, THAT WILL BE PROGRESSING.
AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR SURVEY WORK AS WE SPEAK.
SO, UM, NO CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST THERE.
UM, JUST TO RECAP AGAIN, HOPEFULLY I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, YOU KNOW, IN LESS THAN A MONTH SAY THAT WE DO NOT NEED ANYTHING FOR HARTSDALE BROOK.
AND I GUESS IF THAT'S POSITIVE, THEN IN ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, $950,000, WHICH, UM, WOULD BE THE TOTAL CD AND C CAPITAL BUDGET REQUEST.
APPRECIATE OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
GARRETT, GARRETT, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ODELL HOUSE? OH, YES, ACTUALLY, UM, ODELL HOUSE FALLS INTO SIMILAR CATEGORY AS, UM, WELL, LET'S
UM, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING THROUGH THE C F A GRANT THAT WAS AWARDED A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, THE ROOF IS, IS ON THE VERGE OF BEING COMPLETED, AND WE'RE ROLLING OUT A SECOND PHASE OF, OF, OF, OF, UM, IMPLEMENTATION ON THAT GRANT THAT WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, BE UNDERTAKEN LATER THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S ACTIVE, THAT'S GOING WELL, AND THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH PREVIOUS, UH, TOWN BOARD APPROVALS.
UM, OF NOTE WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEN ASSEMBLY MEMBER, UH, THOMAS ANTE, AS WELL AS, UM, ANDREA STEWART COUSINS AND A MAJORITY LEADER AND, UH, WHO WERE BOTH, UM, SUPER SUPPORTIVE AND SPONSORED TWO $500,000 SAM GRANT APPLICATIONS, UH, OR I SHOULD SAY FUNDING.
SO, UM, THERE IS A A MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S COMING TO THE TOWN AT ZERO MATCH.
AND AGAIN, SO THAT'S WORKING WITH ROBERTA.
UM, NO NEED TO, UM, UH, REQUEST ANY CAPITAL FUNDING FOR THAT.
UM, I WILL SAY MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE GRANT FUNDING SOURCES, UM, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO, TO PATTY OR PAY OF MY OFFICE, WHEN WE PUT IN REQUESTS FOR REFUND, UM, THEY'RE TYPICALLY REFUNDED WITHIN, UH, LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.
AND THAT'S, UM, WHETHER IT'S SAM GRANT, WHETHER IT'S C F A, UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT AND FAST.
SO, AND AGAIN, SPEAKING WITH ROBERTA, SHE HAS INDICATED FOR, UM, THE MATCH PORTIONS, UM, OR THE NON MATCH PORTIONS OF GRANTS, DON'T CAPITAL BUDGET THEM, UM, KNOWING THAT ESSENTIALLY
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THE GRANTS GET REFUNDED IN A PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS RIGHT AROUND THAT.ARE WE DONE WITH THE AGENDA? SECOND MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION PURPOSES OF, UH, DISCUSSING CONTRACTS PERSONNEL? NO.
WE STILL HAVE LEGAL ISSUES TALKING ABOUT TOMORROW.
BUT WHY IS IT ON HERE? DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WAITING FOR SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR.
A A AND THOSE ARE, UH, INVOLVED INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE THAT THE PERSONNEL ELECTIONS WERE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHOLE, YOU? YEAH.
THE PEOPLE ARE ON THE, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, SO PEOPLE ON, YEAH.
SO THE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT.
I KNOW THERE'S, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THE CALL, I MEAN, SITTING, LISTENING.
SO ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE LISTED HERE, THANK YOU.
ON THE, ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE LISTED HERE, UM, RESOLUTION FOR HOMEROOM FOR VOTING AND INCORPORATION.
RIGHT? YOU PUT IT ON, I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE WATCHING.
SO YOU PUT, IS IT, DO WE WANNA RESEND THAT MOTION THAT WE JUST HAD A MOMENT AGO? SO WE NEED TO, I JUST, I I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE WAIT.
WAITING, WATCHING THAT MOTION.
HEY, JOE, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN? THERE'S, THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT'S PROPOSED FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.
I WILL JUST BRING UP WHAT THE NUMBER IS HERE.
I BELIEVE IT'S TB ONE, UH, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THAT THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE EXECUTE A TOWN HOME RULE REQUEST AUTHORIZING THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG COULD AMEND SECTION TWO DASH 216 OF THE NEW YORK VILLAGE LAW.
AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS EXTEND THE QUALIFICATION OF VOTERS.
CURRENTLY, THE VOTES THAT MAY OCCUR AFTER A PETITION FOR INCORPORATION INCLUDES, AND I'LL QUOTE THE LAW ITSELF, EACH RESIDENT IN SUCH TERRITORY QUALIFIED TO VOTE FOR TOWN OFFICERS MAY VOTE AT SUCH ELECTION AT THE REFERENDUM.
UH, WHAT THIS HOME RULE REQUEST IS ASKING IS THAT NEW YORK STATE CHANGED THAT NOT ONLY WOULD IT BE THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT TERRITORY THAT ARE ABLE TO VOTE, BUT RESIDENTS WITHIN THE ENTIRE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF GREENBERG GET A VOTE AS WELL.
ALL OF THOSE AFFECTED BY CENTRAL INCORPORATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WOULD THIS BE A GREENBERG ONLY BILL? YES.
THAT IS WHAT THE REQUEST IN THE RESOLUTION IS ASKING FOR.
IT'S NOT TO CHANGE THE ENTIRETY OF VILLAGE LAW TWO DASH TWO 16.
IT'S A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR GREENBERG.
AND SO I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE RESOLUTION YET, BUT I WILL.
DO WE WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? NOW WE CAN MAKE GOING EXECUTIVE SESSION FOUR.
WHY AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO HEAR FROM 80? YEAH, THAT'S AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CONDO, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IS THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, IT'S ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA.
I'M WONDERING IF, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A VALID VALIDATION.
SHOULD WE CALL HER IN FOR, I MEAN, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD STILL HERE.
WHY WOULD SHE'S HERE? WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE? I'M SURE.
I THINK IT SHOULD RATHER BE OPEN.
SO LET'S CALL, LET'S CALL HER, BRING HER IN OR
OH, I DID JUST TEXT HER TO COME.
I THINK I TEXT HER AND I'M CALLING HER, SO SHE'S PROBABLY LIKE, ALL RIGHT.
IN THAT WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR HER, OH, BY THE WAY, UH, OH, IF I CAN JUST TAKE A ELISA JACOBS, UH, I DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE, BUT SHE SAID, UH, SHE WAS GONNA SIGN OFF.
SHE WAS ON FOR THE DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT WEST HARSDALE AVENUE, AND SHE SAID IF YOU WOULD LIKE HER TO REACH OUT TO LANCE, UM, UH, SHE WOULD DO THAT.
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GET ED.I CALLED HER MAY, I TEXTED HER.
SO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE CONDO LAW.
UM, YEAH, THE FIRST QUESTION IS I JUST HAVE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING PEOPLE WERE SAYING, UM, THAT SINCE I OWN A CONDO, UM, OR QUITE HONOR OF A CONDO WITH MY WIFE BOB, THAT THERE'S FINANCE, THAT THERE'S ECONOMIC ADVANTAGES IF THIS LAW GOES INTO FACT THAT I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF, UM, THERE'S ANY TRUTH THAT IF THE LAW HAS ASKED THAT THERE WAS A FINANCIAL, UH, IMPACT TO EXISTING CONDO OWNERS.
I'LL, I'LL BE AS QUICK AS I CAN.
THERE'S ACTUALLY NO GUARANTEE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO PROPERTIES ONCE THIS LAW IS PASSED.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO TODAY, UM, THAT IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING OURS, THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN THE SALE PRICES OF CONDOMINIUM UNITS WHEN THEY HAVE GONE FROM THE RESTRICTED VALUES TO, FOR TAX PURPOSES, TO THE MARKET VALUES FOR TAX PURPOSES.
THE RESTRICTED VALUES, I'M GONNA EXPLAIN IT.
EXPLAIN LOT OF RESTRICTED VALUES.
SO BEFORE I GET INTO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, LET ME EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THERE ARE TWO VALUATION METHODOLOGIES.
ONE IS KNOWN AS THE RESTRICT FOR APARTMENTS, CONDOS, AND COOPERATIVES.
ONE IS KNOWN AS THE RESTRICTED VALUE, AND THAT IS, UM, USING THE INCOME APPROACH, WHICH MEANS IN ENGLISH THAT YOU ARE APPRAISING THE CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX AS A WHOLE AND THEN TAKING THAT AGGREGATE VALUE AND BREAKING IT APART TO THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
SO THAT'S THE RESTRICTED VALUE.
MOST CONDOMINIUM COMPLEXES ARE UNITS ARE OWNER OCCUPIED.
SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO VALUE THAT AS A WHOLE, I HAVE TO, TO GO TO THE MARKET AND LOOK AT APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE RENTING FOR TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM STUDIOS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
I HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE MARKET TO FIND, UM, WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE, HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO OPERATE THAT BUSINESS.
THAT'S THE RESTRICTED APPROACH.
THE MARKET APPROACH IS IF YOU HAVE A CONDOMINIUM AND IT'S WORTH $800,000, YOU PAY TAXES BASED ON THE $800,000.
THAT'S WHAT THIS LAW IS TALKING ABOUT.
THE RESTRICTED VALUE IS WHAT EVERYBODY HERE IN THE TOWN IS FAMILIAR WITH, THAT YOU'LL HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CONDOMINIUMS AND THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GETTING A 40%, UM, TAX BREAK.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTED APPROACH.
THAT METHODOLOGY HAS BEEN IN EFFECT, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S 1974 OR 1984, BUT IT'S BEEN 40 OR SOMETHING YEARS.
SO THAT WAS A LAW THAT WAS PUT ON THE BOOKS AND THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN VALUED EVER SINCE.
AND, AND IS IT ACCURATE THAT THAT NEW YORK STATE IS NOW THE ONLY STATE THAT TAXES CONDOS IN THAT RESTRICTED FASHION IN THE COUNTRY? IN THE COUNTRY? SO, MAY I REPEAT THAT? YEAH.
UM, WE ARE IN FACT, NEW YORK STATE IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES, THE ONLY STATE THAT VALUES PROPERTIES, CONDOMINIUM COMPLEXES UNITS BASED ON THAT RESTRICTED VALUE, THE ONLY ONE IN THE COUNTRY.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT YOUR INDIVIDUAL CONDO, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT VALUE BECAUSE WE, I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
HOWEVER, LOOKING AT HISTORIC PROPERTY SALES, I WILL GIVE YOU THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
UH, IT'S THE LANDING IN DOBBS FERRY.
AND THEY WERE VALUED AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THEIR VALUES WERE X AND THEIR TAXES WERE Y THAT'S THE WAY IT HAD BEEN SINCE THE DAY THEY WERE BUILT.
THEY JUST RECENTLY CONVERTED TO A CONDOMINIUM FORM OF OWNERSHIP.
SO THEIR VALUES, THE ENTIRE COMPLEX 103
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UNITS WAS VALUED AT $93 MILLION.WE HAD TO DROP THAT VALUE DOWN TO $51 MILLION.
WE LOST $42 MILLION OFF THE TAXABLE PORTION OF THE ASSESSMENT ROLE BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSION.
THERE WERE 43 SALES AND THERE WERE FIVE SALES AND RESALES.
WHAT I MEAN BY THE SALES AND RESALES IS THE SALES OCCURRED BEFORE THE CONVERSION.
IT WAS ABOUT, I'M SORRY, I I FACTUALLY THERE WAS A 6% DIFFERENCE FROM THE BEFORE AND THE AFTER.
AND THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ACTUALLY WENT UP ABOUT 8%.
SO THERE'S THAT LITTLE VARIABLE THERE.
SO I'M NOT SEEING A CHANGE IN, IN THE VALUES FROM THE PRIOR TO THE AFTER.
IN ADDITION, UH, WE ARE, UM, THE ONLY STATE IN THE COUNTRY THAT I KNOW OF THAT VALUES PROPERTIES, CONDOMINIUMS LIKE THIS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS NEW LAW MANDATES US TO ANY SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2023, WE VALUE THE CONDOMINIUM UNITS AS MARKET VALUE.
WE ARE NOT, I HAVE A QUESTION.
GOING BACK, BUT DON'T KEEP GOING BECAUSE MY QUESTION PERTAINS.
I MEAN, FINISH YOUR SENTENCE, BUT MY QUESTION PERTAINS TO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID.
BEFORE, WE ARE NOT THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK THAT VALUES CONDOMINIUMS BASED ON THE MARKET VALUE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS LAW IS DIRECTING US TO DO.
THERE ARE FOUR MUNICIPALITIES RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA THAT, UM, ARE VALUING CONDOMINIUMS BASED ON MARKET VALUE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ADOPTED THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO THOSE DETAILS, UM, THE HOMESTEAD MANDATES THAT MUNICIPALITY TO VALUE THEM BASED ON MARKET VALUE, TOWN OF, UH, CLARKSTOWN IN ROCKLAND COUNTY, SLEEPY HOLLOW, OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO THE TE TO TERRYTOWN THE TOWN OF RYE AND THE TOWN OF PELHAM.
GOING BACK TO YOUR EXAMPLE, THE LANDING MM-HMM.
SO I'D LIKE ANOTHER EXAMPLE AT ANOTHER TIME IF YOU, IF YOU MAY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WAS INFLUENCED BY THE, THE FACT THAT THEY SOLD AND THEY SOLD IT.
THE HIGHER, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE SIMILAR PRICE WAS DRIVEN ALSO BY THE, THE INCREASING VALUES OF ALL HOMES BECAUSE OF THE SCARCITY OF THEM DUE TO THE SALES DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THANK YOU.
'CAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MORAL TO MY STORY IS THAT THE MARKET WENT UP, UM, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA ABOUT 6%.
AND I DIDN'T SEE FROM THE LANDING FROM THE SALES AND RESALES, I DIDN'T SEE AN APPRECIATED VALUE.
I SAW THE 6%, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOT THAT 6% MARKET.
SO WHAT I WOULD'VE EXPECTED TO SEE, UM, AS EVERYBODY ELSE EXPECTS TO SEE A HUGE INCREASE IN MARKET VALUES BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION IN THE PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S NOT THERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF THAT SCENARIO MM-HMM.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT ME TO GO ON? NO, YOU WANT ME TO STOP? WE HAVE A LONG DAY
PAUL, TALK A LITTLE BIT JUST ABOUT ASKING THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO PASS A LAW THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, ENABLE US TO, UM, HAVE REDUCED, UH, YOU KNOW, TAXES, UH, FOR AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF CONDO, IF IN THE FUTURE OF CONDOS ARE SOLD AT, UM, AT REDUCED, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, RATES.
SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S A CONDO THAT WOULD SELL FOR YOU.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE TOWN IS TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, GINA'S COMMITTEE HAS SET, YOU KNOW, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO ADOPT A LAW THAT WOULD, UM, UH, REDUCE OUR POSSIBILITY OF GETTING, YOU KNOW, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO IF WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THIS LEGISLATION HAS PASSED AND THEN WE ASK THE STATE FOR, TO ADOPT ANOTHER LAW THAT WOULD SAY THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO, UM, TO REDUCE THE TAXES.
IF SAY CONDOS IN THE FUTURE ARE SOLD AT, SAY, UNDER $400,000,
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THEN, THEN, THEN WE COULD BASICALLY, UM, BE ENCOURAGING THROUGH TAX INCENTIVES, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MORE AFFORDABLE CONDOS.BECAUSE AS YOU SAID AT THE LAST, YOU KNOW, MEETING, UH, OR WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CONDO PEOPLE ARE BOUGHT BUILDING CONDOS THAT ARE GOING FOR $3 MILLION OR $2 MILLION OR A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEY DON'T CARE SO MUCH IF THEY'RE PAYING.
SO REALLY EVEN THE ELMWOOD, WHEN THEY CAME IN WITH THE CONDOS, THEY WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT LET'S CLARIFY NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE, NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING NECESSARILY.
SO, SO, SO I VIEW THAT QUESTION BEING, CAN THERE BE A CARVE OUT IN THIS LEGISLATION FOR ACTUAL AFFORDABLE OR LOW-INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OR UNITS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE BUILT AS AFFORDABLE UNITS IN MARKET RATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE OF THE SET ASIDE? CAN MAY I STOP YOU FOR ONE MINUTE? YEAH.
BECAUSE I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION EARLIER.
I THINK YOU'RE GETTING, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU MIGHT BE GETTING PEOPLE CONFUSED.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA EXPLAIN IT AND ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE LAW REGARDING, I'M GONNA EXPLAIN IT.
PUT OUR REAL PROPERTY, OUR CONDOMINIUMS IN THREE BUCKETS.
ONE, WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MM-HMM.
SO THE AFFORDABLE COMPONENT, WHICH IS WHAT EVEN THE, IS WHAT EVEN THE GOVERNOR HAS SAID, DON'T AGREE WITH HER TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE AFFORDABLE COMPONENT IN THIS LAW PRECLUDES ME FROM VALUING THESE IN ANY FASHION THAN THE WAY IT EXISTS EXISTS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE RESTRICTED VALUE, TRULY AFFORDABLE.
LOW INCOME, THEY WERE, THEY'RE ASSESSED THE WAY THAT THEY'RE ASSESSED.
ANY NEW ONES COMING ON WILL BE ASSESSED AT THAT RESTRICTED VALUE AS WELL.
COULD I JUST MAKE THAT VISUAL? SO IF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OR MARK SOJA WHO BILLS, YOU KNOW, AND CURRENTLY THEY RENT, UH, FOR, UH, LOW INCOME, IF THEY WERE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HOME OWNERSHIP, UH, AND DO CONDOS THAT ARE LOW INCOME, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO MARKET RATE.
THEY'RE GOING TO STAY WITH THE RESTRICTED VALUE ACCORDING TO THE LAW.
IT DEPENDS ON THE FINANCING, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING I WANTED ALREADY.
SO NEXT, NEXT WE HAVE THAT MIDDLE INCOME.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LAW THAT PRECLUDES CURRENTLY THE VALUATION.
SO, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE A CONDOMINIUM OR EVEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME MM-HMM.
THEY HAPPEN TO BE, THAT HOME HAPPENS TO BE IN THE $700,000 NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S HAS A RESTRICTED VALUE, RESTRICTED COVENANTS.
THEY'RE CALLED WRITTEN IN THE DEEDS THAT GOES IN PERPETUITY, WHICH MEANS FOREVER.
SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEIR TAXES ARE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED FOREVER BASED ON THAT MARKET VALUE.
SO, UM, SO THEIR TAXES AREN'T GOING UP.
WELL, THEY GO UP BASED ON WHATEVER THE TAX RATE HAPPENS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE.
NOT GOING TO THE HUNDRED PERCENT PERCENT.
SO THE MARKET, IT'S IN THE VERY STRICT, IT'S IN A RESTRICTED CODE.
BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A 600, $700,000 NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM.
THEIR VALUATION IS 200 MM-HMM.
AND THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY EXISTING CONDOS.
THE 5,000 CONDO OWNERS THAT ARE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THIS LEGISLATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
I WISH YOU COULD TAKE YOUR MASK OFF AND SAY THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS, RIGHT.
THAT THIS DOES NOT AFFECT ANY EXISTING, NEWLY BUILT, NEWLY BUILT, NEWLY BUILT AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2020.
AND AGAIN, HAVING THIS LEGISLATION WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT CURRENTLY HAVE IT, CLARKSTOWN AND TANNER, I, SLEEPY HOLLOW.
WELL, SLEEPY HOLLOW WOULD BE OUR MARKET.
SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT SLEEPY HOLLOW.
SO SLEEPY HOLLOW, I THINK, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 600 CONDOS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
THEY CAN'T BUILD THEM FAST ENOUGH IN THE OFFERING PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE CONDOS.
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THEIR CHANGE ORDERS, WHICH ARE EQUALIZING TO LIKE TWO, THREE, OR $400,000, THEY CAN'T BUILD THEM QUICK ENOUGH TO SELL THEM.SO THAT'S, THAT MARKET TAXES ARE MARKET TAXES.
YOU GO ACROSS THE RIVER, WHICH IS IN CLARK, UH, CLARKSTOWN, CLARKSTOWN, KEEP MESSING THAT UP.
SO THEY MIGHT BE FIVE OR SIX OR $700,000, BUT THAT'S HIGH END FOR THEM.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROJECTS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IN THAT JURISDICTION.
SO SAME THING AT THE TOWN OF RYE.
THEY HAVEN'T STOPPED BUILDING CONDOS BECAUSE OF THIS VALUATION, SO MM-HMM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE TOWN OF RYE.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS MOST OF THEM ARE, MOST OF THE PROJECTS ARE IN PORTCHESTER.
SO BECAUSE THAT'S BROKEN OUT, PORTCHESTER AND RYE BROOK, THERE ARE PROJECTS IN RYE BROOK MM-HMM.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT STOPPED MM-HMM.
SO DO I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE SLOW DOWN FOR A MINUTE HERE FOR PEOPLE TO REGROUP? I DO.
UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND RECALIBRATE THEIR, THEIR FINANCING.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA STOP, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD PUT A PAUSE ON IT FOR A MINUTE.
EXCEPT ELMWOOD SAID THAT THEY WOULD PAY MARKET RATE.
UM, BUT THEN WHEN WE SAID, HOW CAN WE HOLD YOU TO THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY OF DOING IT UNLESS WE PASSED THIS LAW.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A CONDOMINIUM BUILT IN THIS TOWN IN OVER THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS THAT HAS BEEN LESS THAN EIGHT, $900,000 ALL THE WAY UP TO A $3.3 MILLION SALE.
THE ONE THAT WE DID HAVE THAT WAS THE MARKET, UM, MIDDLE INCOME IS THE MARKET RATE HOUSING.
UH, YOU WEREN'T ON THE BOARD BY THEN BACK THEN EITHER.
UM, BUT IT WAS THE WATER WHEEL.
SO THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT.
'CAUSE THE TOWN OWNED THE PROPERTY.
I WORKED ON THE CONTRACT ON THAT THING.
THE TOWN WAS NOT, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO TRY AND HELP OUT THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS IN ODDSLY.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WORKFORCE WORK'S, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND THAT, THAT UNDER THE, THE LAW THAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED, THOSE, THEY'RE RESTRICTED.
AND, AND THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO RESTRICTED COVENANT.
SO THEY, THEIR TAXES WOULD NOT GO UP BASED UPON THIS LAW.
BUT IF THEY WOULD, IF THEY WERE BUILT TODAY, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AS WORKFORCE HOUSING RESTRICTED, RESTRICTED, BUT THEY WANTED TO RESTRICT, THEN THEY WOULDN'T, THEN, THEN, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THIS NEW LAW IF THEY HAD FEDERAL, STATE OR WHATEVER THE FUNDING IS.
LOCAL AGENTS, IF THEY HAD RESTRICTIONS IN THEIR DEEDS TO SAY THAT IT'S, IT HAS TO STAY AS MARKET RATE HOUSING WHERE THAT, THAT COMPLEX ITSELF, IT WAS JUST MARKET, IT WOULD PROBABLY SELL FOR SEVEN OR $800,000.
SO WHAT THEIR VALUES LOOK LIKE IS WHAT IS CALLED FOR IN THE RESTRICTIONS.
AND WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY SELL THEM FOR.
YOU HAVE A MOTION? ANY
AND THAT HEARING CONTINUES TOMORROW NIGHT.
SECOND, YOU MAKE A PUSH AND PULL FOR THE LAST TIME, MAYBE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, LITIGATE, DISCUSSING LITIGATION, CONTRACTS, PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVING INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.