[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, February 15, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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WE'RE ALREADY LATE 'CAUSE OF AARON, SO WE COULD BLAME WALTER AND MONA, BUT MONA HAS CANDY, SO WE CAN'T BLAME HER.
WELCOME TO THE, UH, FEBRUARY 15TH, A MEETING OF THE, UH, HEY GUYS.
WELCOME TO THE, UH, FEBRUARY 15TH MEETING OF THE, UH, GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD.
UH, MR. BRITTON, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT JOHANN SNAGS, OR EXCUSE ME, MR. SNAGS IS ABSENT, AND, UH, MS. RETAG WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? MAYBE, UH, SIX.
AND, UM, JUST SOME CLARIFICATION.
UM, SIX, JUST FOR, UM, CLARIFICATION AT THE, UH, WHERE I INDICATED, UM, THAT, UH, LA, UH, BUSINESS SHOULD BE REPRESENTED, BUT I THINK, UM, YEAH, IT'S NOT IN THE MINUTES, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD, I WOULD LIKE, JUST LIKE TO ADD THE TENANTS AS DEFINED BY THE CODE INCLUDES, UH, RESIDENCE AT, UH, INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RENTERS.
WE CAN MAKE THAT ADDITION FOR SURE.
JUST CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON IT.
AND I WASN'T CLEAR ON IT, SO WE DID MM-HMM.
UH, ANY OTHER CHANGES? THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
WE HAVE TWO PIECES OF, UH, CORRESPONDENCE TONIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS, UH, FOR HACKLEY FOR AN EXTENSION OF THEIR ROCK CHIPPING, UH, PROGRAM.
DID WE FIGURE OUT, MATT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUSINESS DAYS, LUCKY DAYS VERSUS CALENDAR DAYS? I'LL DEFER TO AARON ON THAT ONE.
DID YOU FIGURE THAT OUT? SO WE DID.
AND IF, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES.
SO I SPOKE WITH MS. ES, UH, COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT, AND, UH, SPOKE WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE CALCULATED THE ACTUAL DAY THAT, UM, WOULD WORK AND, AND LINES UP WITH WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS ON RECORD BEING APRIL 13TH, 2023, WITHOUT AN EXTENSION.
OH, WITH THIS EXTENSION, OKAY.
MS. GARRIS, FIRST ALL WELCOME.
UM, IS THAT, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT SUFFICIENT TIME? IF IT ISN'T, WE CAN TALK ABOUT GIVING YOU A LONGER EXTENSION.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, JANET RISTO AND ELLEN WEINGART.
WE WHITAKER ON BEHALF OF HACKLEY.
I DID SPEAK WITH MY CLIENT, UM, YESTERDAY AND TODAY THEY DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE ARE REQUESTING FOR THIS EXTENSION WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THEM OKAY.
TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE SHIPPING FOR, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SPOKE WITH THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER ABOUT, IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO WORK OUT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IS THAT, UM, THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE DOING CHIPPING ON A REGULAR BASIS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE EXPIRATION OF THIS PERMIT.
UM, THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT AS THEY CONTINUE WITH CONSTRUCTION, THERE MIGHT BE SOME, I DON'T KNOW, RESIDUAL THINGS WHERE THEY'RE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, INSTALLING BOLLARDS AT THE PARKING LOT OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT REQUIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME ADDITIONAL SHIPPING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO BE BACK FOR A PERMIT.
UM, BUT WE'LL WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
BUT FOR NOW, THE, UM, THE REQUESTED THAT APRIL 13TH DATE IS, UH, IT WORKS FOR US.
ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US? YEAH.
TO, WE MAY SOMEHOW MAKE THIS PROCESS A LITTLE EASIER IN THAT, AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK AND GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PERMIT.
IF THEY FIND ANOTHER AREA WHERE THEY HAVE TO SHIP IS
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TO MAKE IT, THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND JUST MAKE A REQUEST AS A FORMALLY, HOW ABOUT MAKE A REQUEST TO, TO, TO AARON AND, AND YEAH.PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY IN AARON'S YEAH.
AS OPPOSED TO FILLING OUT THE WHOLE PERMIT AND EVERYTHING.
IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO BY THE CODE? AND THAT WOULD BE BY THE
I'D HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE OF THE WORK.
SO WE'D HAVE TO WORK IT OUT WITH ENGINEERING.
WELL, SO IF, IF I, IF I MIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DO HAVE A PERMIT.
UM, THE EXTENSIONS TO THAT PERMIT ARE, UM, E E U AS THE, AS THE BOARD ARE ABLE TO EXTEND THAT PERMIT.
THAT'S NOT VERY REASON CONDITION.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONDITION THIS EXTENSION ON, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE FURTHER EXTENSIONS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE APPROVED PLAN, NOT ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT IS THE APPROVED PLAN.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY DELEGATE THAT TO YOUR COMMISSIONER OR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT, AMANDA? I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S IN THE APPROVED PLANS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO EXTEND, UH, THE PERMIT TILL APRIL 13TH WITH THE, WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IN THERE AS WELL? CAN WE HAVE THAT MOTION SO MOVED.
THE THIRD, THE SECOND PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE IS ACTUALLY OUR LETTER BACK TO MR. GRODEN, AS YOU RECALL, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER, I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER 19TH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, OR NINTH, WHICH WAS IT? I DON'T REMEMBER NOW.
ON DECEMBER 7TH, WE, WE, UH, DECIDED WHEN WE APPROVED THE, UH, BEST FACILITIES IN GREENVILLE AND MIDWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S TALKING OUT THERE, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE.
JIM, COULD YOU CLOSE THE DOOR FOR, FOR ME PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, WE STILL HAD AN OPEN ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR THESE TWO FACILITIES.
AND ALTHOUGH WE HAD TRIED ON LOTS OF OCCASIONS, IN FACT FOR OVER A YEAR AND EVEN IN WRITING, UH, BACK TO NOVEMBER OF 2021, I BELIEVE IT IS AMANDA.
2021 NOVEMBER, UM, IN WRITING TO GET AN ANSWER FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT.
WE DIDN'T GET ANY SO WE DECIDED TO GIVE THEM ONE LAST CHANCE TO 45 DAYS FROM DECEMBER 7TH, WHICH ENDED UP BEING JANUARY 22ND, 2023.
WELL, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, WE GET A LETTER ON JANUARY 23RD, 2023.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS.
SO TECHNICALLY WE REALLY DIDN'T EVEN NEED TO ENTERTAIN IT IF WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO.
DESPITE THAT, DESPITE THAT FACT, UH, WE DID WHEN WE HADN'T GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THEM UNTIL THEN, UH, STAFF WENT OUT AND SPOKE, UH, WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO HAPPENS TO ALSO WORK IN ONE OF FIRE.
YOU OKAY MICHAEL? YEAH, I'M FINE.
ONE, ONE OF THE FIRE DISTRICTS, UH, WE SPOKE TO OUR CONSULTANT, I BELIEVE TOO, OUR FIRE CONSULTANT AND ALSO SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER FIRE DISTRICT ABOUT WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, EQUIPMENT SPECIFICALLY NEEDED FOR THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF FACILITIES.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.
WAS THERE SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT THEY SHOULDN'T ALREADY HAVE? MM-HMM.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING UNIQUE ABOUT THESE TWO THINGS BASED ON THAT.
I DRAFTED A LETTER, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE ALL SEEN.
RIGHT? UM, MICHAEL HAD SOME COMMENTS.
WE'VE INCORPORATED SOME OF THEM, UH, AND I BELIEVE MONA HAS A COMMENT TONIGHT THAT SHE WANTS TO ADD TO IT.
UH, BACK TO THEM SAYING THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR LETTER, THE 23RD SAYING IT'S LATE.
UM, AND DESPITE THAT WE'VE DONE ALL THE, WE DID OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE AND DETERMINE THERE WAS NO REASON TO MAKE THE APPLICANT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT AT GREENVILLE AS A RESULT OF THESE TWO FACILITIES.
IT ALSO GOES ON, AND THIS IS WHERE MONA, I THINK HAS AN ADDITION TO REINFORCE HOWEVER, THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAINING THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT AND MONA
AND IN ADDITION, WE'VE GONE SO FAR AS TO ASK THAT THEY TRAIN THE, UM, MUTUAL AID FIRE DEPARTMENTS
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AS WELL.NOT ONLY THEM, BUT ADDITIONALLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT ACT AS MUTUAL AID.
SO THAT SHOULD BE AT, WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE LETTER.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS GOOD ADDITION TO THE LETTER.
AND THAT'S PERFECTLY CONSISTENT.
WE DOUBLE CHECK WITH WHAT OUR DECISION WAS IN DECEMBER.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUE OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LETTER BEFORE WE GO ON IT? SO NOW, OKAY.
UM, YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, WHAT IS THE RE I MEAN, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE LATE AND PROVIDING US WITH THEIR FEEDBACK, BUT WHATEVER THE REQUEST IS MADE, UH, THE RECRUITMENTS THEY'RE REQUESTING IT.
IS THERE ANYTHING SIMILAR BEING REQUESTED AND OTHER SIMILAR? CORRECT.
WHAT I JUST SAID WAS, WE LOOKED, IN FACT, MICHAEL HAD FIRST BROUGHT US, BROUGHT OUR ATTENTION TO IT 'CAUSE MICHAEL WAS THE FORMER FIRE COMMISSIONER OF THAT FIRE DISTRICT.
AND SO WE WENT AND DID THE DUE DILIGENCE OURSELVES AND FOUND THERE WAS NOTHING UNIQUE IN TERMS OF FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEEDED TO FIGHT THOSE TWO FACILITIES.
THEREFORE, THERE IS NO REASON TO BURDEN THE APPLICANT WITH THE COST OF THAT EQUIPMENT.
IT'S EQUIPMENT THEY EITHER ALREADY HAVE OR ALREADY SHOULD HAVE.
IN FACT, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, AS I RECALL, UH, ON THEIR LIST IS EQUIPMENT THAT'S PROBABLY EVEN OUTDATED AND SHOULDN'T BE PURCHASED AT ALL.
IT ISN'T UNIQUE TO THIS, THIS FACILITY.
AND, AND ONE OF THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN A SIMILAR SITUATIONS ARE, UH, REQUIRING FOR THE B S.
WE TALKED TO TWO FAR DISTRICTS AND THEY SAID THEY, THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS? NO.
I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE LETTER AND SEND IT AS AMENDED.
UM, NOTHING ELSE IN CORRESPONDENCE.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE VERY QUICKLY THAT THERE WAS A DOCUMENT CIRCULATED JUST FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION RELATIVE TO A LOCAL LAW TWO OF 10 23 OR THE VILLAGE OF TERRYTOWN REGARDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
IT'S NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS CIRCULATED IN THE PACKET.
SO AARON, SO MY QUESTION IS THAT, UH, IS, IT'S A DON OF GREENBERG IN PROCESS OF REVIEWING THEIR, UH, SIMILAR LAW OR AMENDMENT SYSTEM ONE FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
TOWN STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING AND FOLLOWING WHAT THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN AND OTHER LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING WITH RESPECT TO, UH, ADOPTING LOCAL LAWS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
AND WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AMONGST OUR IN-HOUSE LAND USE COMMITTEE.
WELL I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER COMMITTEE YOU NEED TO BE DISCUSSING IT WITH.
I WAS GONNA GO ON, BUT, UH, WE DO, LET, LET ME FINISH AS THE CO-CHAIR OF THAT OTHER COMMITTEE AND THE FOUNDER OF ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF IT AND THE OTHER FOUNDER IS SITTING RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME,
UM, WE DO HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN FORMED CALLED THE ACCESSIBLE VIABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE HERE IN GREENBURG.
AND NO, NO LAW SHOULD BE DRAFTED UNTIL THERE IS A DISCUSSION WITH THAT COMMITTEE AS TO, AS TO THE VIABILITY OF ADUS.
'CAUSE ADUS ARE A PART OF WHAT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR MAY NOT BE.
AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT AND WE ALSO HAVE EXPERTS ON OUR COMMITTEE THAT CAN HELP IN THAT REGARD.
I DO WANNA SAY SOMETHING VERY BRIEFLY 'CAUSE I WANNA MOVE ON, BUT, UM, I ALSO SENT OUT TODAY A COPY OF, UH, GOVERNOR HO'S PROPOSAL ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, IT PUTS MUCH MORE OF A BURDEN ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE SOUTHERN TIER OF NEW YORK THAN IT DOES IN THE NORTHERN TIER.
I GUESS THERE ARE NO HOMELESS PEOPLE IN ROCHESTER.
BUFFALO TWO ALBANY, TWO SYRACUSE TOO.
BUT THE BURDEN'S DOWN HERE, IT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, IF YOU DON'T HIT THE GOALS THAT SHE GIVES, WHICH ARE, ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, IN FACT THEY'RE GREATER THAN, THAN FAR, GREATER THAN OUR GROWTH RATE IN, IN, UH,
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TOTAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 YEAR PERIOD.UM, THEN THE, THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BASICALLY TOTALLY BLOW UP YOUR ZONING CODE AND DO WHAT THEY WANT.
WHICH WOULD CAUSE CHAOS AND DRIVE DOWN PROPERTY VALUES IN MY VIEW.
THE THIRD PART OF IT IS IF YOU LIVE IN A, UH, METRO AREA THAT'S SERVICED BY METRO NORTH, WHICH WE DO WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE TRAIN STATION, THE, UH, MINIMUM THAT YOU CAN RESTRICT DENSITY TO IS 50 UNITS AN ACRE.
AND THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT.
SEEKER IS WAIVED FOR ALL THIS, FOR ALL OF THIS.
IT IS JUST, IT'S ANARCHY AND IT IT TAKEOVER BY PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT PUBLICLY TOMORROW, THERE'S A PUBLIC, UH, TOWN MEETING HERE TOMORROW WITH, UH, MARY JANESKY, ANDREA STEWART COUSINS, UM, UH, HOEL AND, UM, AMY POLAND, OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES MM-HMM.
AND THIS IS IN THE BUDGET AND I AM GOING TO BE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS IN SPADES TOMORROW.
IT'S TWO 30 TO FOUR 30 IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
YOU HAVE TO REGISTER, BUT YOU CAN ZOOM, YOU CAN ATTEND.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ONE TOMORROW'S ON ZOOM, THE ONE, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THURSDAY, UH, NEXT WEEK THAT'S ON ZOOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE'S ON ZOOM.
UM, TO NEWCO, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT ON TIME.
FIRST CASE, UH, PB 1803, WHICH IS NUCO PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT REQUEST.
AS YOU RECALL, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE, UM, HEY, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE MONA SET OUT ON THIS ONE.
OH YEAH, MONA GONNA CUS MODA UH, FRIGHT TAKE IS RECUSED FROM THIS.
SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW, YOUNG LADY.
UM, SO WE DISCUSSED THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING IN WORK SESSION, AND THE ONLY QUESTION, AS YOU RECALL, THE BUILDING A NATURAL ROCK WALL RATHER THAN, UH, THE, THE, UH, WALL THAT THEY WERE BUILDING WITH THE BRICKS BEFORE.
AND, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY IS IT SO MUCH HIGHER WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T? IT HAS TO DO WITH WHEN, WITH THE CONTOUR OF THE WALL GOES DOWN FURTHER 'CAUSE IT FOLLOWS THE CONTOUR OF THE, UH, SLOPE.
THEY, UH, WE ASKED THE, UH, APPLICANT TO SUPPLY DRAWINGS OF THAT.
UH, WE'VE ALL GOT THEM AND CORRECT.
I THINK YOU WERE THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THAT.
WERE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRAWINGS THAT WE GOT TO EXPLAIN IT? CORRECT? YES.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? VOTE ON THIS? NO.
CAN I HAVE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, APPROVE THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AMENDMENT REQUEST THEN BEFORE YOU DO CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? YES, SIR.
JUST TO NOTE THAT, UH, BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER VOTING THAT THIS PROJECT QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
CAN I, CAN I HAVE A, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS APPLICATION IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE TWO UNDER SEEKER.
DO I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND, DAVID SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, THEN MOTION TO APPROVE YOU.
NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO NEW, TO NEW BUSINESS.
I'M BACK
SHE'S BACK AND WE'RE RIGHT ON TIME.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AHEAD SO FAR, WHICH IS GOOD.
FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS, UH, PB 2303, WHICH IS THE JANG, IS THAT HOW IT'S PRONOUNCED? JANG JANG.
JANG JANG, UH, SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS A TWO HIGH POINT TERRACE.
IT'S FOR IT'S INITIAL CONFERENCE.
IT'S NOT EVEN A WORK SESSION YET, UH, TO DISCUSS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
SO, UH, WHO IS HERE FROM THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THAT? UH, THIS IS, UH, DAN COLLINS FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING, UM, WHERE THE, UH, ENGINEERS FROM THE PROJECT HAD PUT TOGETHER THE, UH, THE APPLICATION.
UM, SO I'LL GO, I'LL JUST SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK TO BRING UP THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
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ALL RIGHT.I'M ASSUMING EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT ON THEIR SIDE, ON YOUR SIDE.
UM, SO BASICALLY, UH, THIS SITE EXISTING, IT'S A 2.8 70 FOR LOT, UM, IN THE R 20 ZONING DISTRICT, UH, PROPERTY AS YOU CAN SEE CURRENTLY, UH, OCCUPIED BY EXISTING TWO STORY RESIDENCE, UH, ABOUT IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT, UH, WITH POOL PATIO REAR TERRACE.
UM, AND THEN A, UH, CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY UP FROM, UH, THE EASTERN SIDE, I MEAN THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE, UH, MAINSTEM OF PINE POINT TERRACE HERE.
UM, OUR CLIENT IS, UH, LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE THIS INTO TWO LOTS.
UM, THE FIRST LOT WOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE, UH, CONSIST OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ALL THE EXISTING SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS LOT.
UM, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS LOT.
UM, THIS IS, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE, UH, TO STAY AS IT IS.
UM, THIS LOT DOES MEET THE MAJORITY OF THE AERIAL REQUIREMENTS.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, WE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE FOR F A R AND FOR IMPERIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, SINCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS ONLY A SLIGHT INCREASE, ABLE TO ATTACK THAT AND, AND ELIMINATE SOME OF THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS AREA TO, UH, UH, ELIMINATE THAT VARIANCE.
UM, HOWEVER, SINCE THIS SITE, SINCE THIS HOUSE IS, UH, HAS A CONSIDERABLE FOOTPRINT AND A SUITABLE, UH, HAS EXISTING FLOOR AREA RATIO IN FLOOR AREA, UM, SINCE WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, UH, WE WILL STILL NEED A, UH, UH, THE VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, FLOOR AREA RATIO, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, SO THE FIRST, SO THIS WOULD BE LOT ONE.
THE, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE VARIANCES ARE ACTUALLY ON THE EXISTING AS A RESULT OF THE EXISTING BUSINESS BUILDING CAUSED BY THE FACT YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY IN THE, SINCE THIS LOCK IS SMALLER THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE F A R REQUIRED, THE F A R GETS REQUIRED, F A R GETS SMALLER AND IT WOULD EXCEED THE F A R AND IT WOULD EXCEED THE IMPERIOUS COVERAGE.
DUE TO THE REDUCED SIZE OF THE LOT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO THEN THE REAR OF THE LOT, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING ACTUALLY A FLAG LOT, UH, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN THE R 20.
UM, AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN THAT, THE REAR PORTION OF THE LOT IS GREATER THAN 40,000 SQUARE FEET OR TWICE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA OF THAT, OF THIS DISTRICT.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE ACCESS OFF OF THE, THERE'S A LITTLE STEM THAT COMES OFF OF THE, UH, NORTHERN PORTION OF HIGH POINT TERRACE.
UM, FROM HERE WOULD ACTUALLY EXTEND OFF OF HERE WITH FRONTAGE 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE FROM HERE BACK TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE FLAG LOT BEING WITH THE REMAINING OF THE DRIVEWAY AGAIN, EXCUSE ME, WHERE THE BELOW.
UM, SO THIS LOT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FULLY COMPLIANT.
THERE WOULD BE NO VARIANCE REQUIRED.
I THINK THAT BASICALLY COVERS THE MAJORITY OF THE DESIGN.
UM, WE'RE JUST KIND OF HERE JUST TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOUR BOARD, UM, TO GET AN IDEA IF THIS IS A, A VIABLE PROJECT, IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT ALTHOUGH WE DID REDUCE THE SIZE OF THIS LOT, THE FRONT LOT WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, THIS IS STILL A, THIS LOT IS STILL WELL OVERSIZED FOR THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THE R 20, THE MINIMUM LOT SIDE IS 20,000 AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, THIS LOT WOULD STILL BE AT 75,412 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WHICH WOULD STILL BE ALMOST, ALMOST, UH, YOU KNOW, 50,000 MORE OR 60,000 MORE THAN WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM A HOUSE TO THE, TO THE NEW DRIVEWAY? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THAT NEW DRIVEWAY? TO THE NEW SIDE YARD? SIDE YARD SETBACK.
OH, TO THE SIDE YARD? IT IS, IT IS AT THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE 18 FEET THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO IT MEANS THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIRED.
AND HOW WIDE IS THE DRIVEWAY? UM, THIS STRIP WE HAVE IS 35.4 FEET.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE DRIVEWAY WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO 14 TO 15 FEET AND, UH, WIDTH, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY RUN AROUND RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
I'M NOT, YOU DIDN'T SAY TO THE BACK, HOW LONG IS THE DRIVEWAY? UM, I DO NOT HAVE A MEASUREMENT ON THAT.
UM, BUT JUDGING FROM THE SETBACKS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 30, 60, 90, PROBABLY A HUNDRED FEET BACK TILL YOU GET TO THE REAR PART OF THE LOT.
BUT YOU SAID 15 FEET WIDE FOR THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF? THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF.
THE DRIVEWAY, THE FLAG LOCK, YEAH.
THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF WOULD BE 15 FEET.
BUT THE, AND THE STEM, BUT THE STEM WOULD BE 35.4, WHICH WOULD ALLOW
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ON EACH SIDE IF THEY WANTED TO PUT A, AT THE TIME THAT THEY BUILD SOMETHING, THEY, THEY'D WANT TO PUT LANDSCAPING IN THERE TO, UH, SPEED IT UP.THE ONLY PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T PASS TWO CARS AT 15 FEET.
UM, NO, BUT IT WOULD BE A SINGLE LOT.
IT WOULD BE A SINGLE DRIVEWAY FOR A SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDE.
I KNOW, BUT YOU GET A LONG DRIVEWAY AND YOU CAN'T PASS TWO CARS.
IF SOMEONE'S COMING UP THE DRIVEWAY, SOMEONE'S COMING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY, SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO BACK UP.
I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO DO 16 G WITH A LITTLE WIRES, THEY CAN PASS.
YOU SHOULD MAKE IT, YOU SHOULD MAKE IT WIDE ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN HAVE TWO CARS CUT PASSED.
IT'S SO LONG YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S ALREADY STORED DOWN AND SOMEBODY'S COMING UP.
WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT DELIVERY TRUCK BECAUSE A NORMAL CAR.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST, WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY MADE IT THAT FAR YET.
UM, 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE IF THIS WAS A, THE OVERALL GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT, WHY THIS, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF THERE ISN'T ANY PLAN TO BUILD ON IT ANYTIME SOON, WHY WOULD YOU DO, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR SUBDIVISION NOW? UM, WELL, THEY'RE DOING THE, HE'S, HE'S SUBDIVIDING.
HE WANTS TO KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU AND GO FOR.
AND IF, IF YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA START PUTTING TOGETHER THE ENTIRE REST SET AND MAKE IT LOOK, UH, YOU KNOW, PROOF OUT THE STORM WHERE PROOF OUT THE BUILDING CAN FIT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY PROOF OUT THE DRIVEWAY, THE REAR, REAR THE PROPERTY, ET CETERA.
BUT WE, WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS FOR A SUBDIVISION PROOF OF APPLICATION.
UM, I'LL LET THE, THE REST OF THE BOARD COMMENT MAY HAVE, HAS A, HAVE A COUPLE.
AARON, DO YOU A HAND UP? I, I THINK TOM HAD HIS BEFORE ME, SO I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO TOM THEN AARON, THEN WALTER.
FIRST OF ALL, WE GENERALLY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF LOTS THAT ARE SO ASYMMETRIC.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF CUT AROUND CORNERS AND CARBS AND THINGS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A, UM, IT'S, IT'S A VERY STRANGE SHAPE, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY.
THE OTHER THING IS, I THOUGHT YOU SAID FOR A FLAG LOT, YOU ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN THAT ZONE.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD RECOMMEND SHRINKING THE NEW LOT A BIT.
MAYBE SQUARING IT WHERE IT'S ROUNDED, UM, SO THAT YOU STILL HAVE A LOT THAT CONFORMS THE NEW LOT, BUT THAT YOU ALSO GIVE MORE SPACE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S VERY CRAMMED IN THERE.
I UNDERSTAND WHEN THE SUBDIVIDE, BUT IT'S A HUGE PROP, A HUGE STRUCTURE ON WHAT WILL BECOME A LOT THAT'S REALLY TOO SMALL FOR IT BASED ON WHERE IT'S PLACED IN MY OPINION.
AARON, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO THE APPLICANT'S ATTENTION IF THEY DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW AS WELL AS REMIND THE BOARD THAT HIGH POINT TERRACE, UH, ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING HIGH POINT TERRACE STEER WAS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS THE O' KEARY SUBDIVISION WHERE THE APPLICANT'S, UM, PANNING WITH THE, WITH THE HAND THERE.
AND THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE OR EXTEND HIGH POINT TERRACE AND BUILD THAT PORTION OUT TO A TOWN STANDARD.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS AT THE MOMENT? AND DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE SHORTEN THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY IF THAT'S IN PROCESS OF BEING BUILT OUT TO THE TOWN STANDARD? THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK INTO IF YOU DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
WELL, HOW WOULD, WHERE WOULD YOU GO? THE DRIVEWAY THERE, AARON? EXCUSE ME.
NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING LOOKING INTO, CONNECTING INTO THIS PORTION OF THIS? CORRECT.
THAT, THAT'S BEEN TWO NEW HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIGH POINT TERRACE THAT HAVE
NOW WOULD THIS BE, BECAUSE ON HERE, I MEAN IT WAS LABELED AS PRIVATE, UH, RESERVE LOT.
IS THAT GONNA BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN? NO, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA REMAIN PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT BUILT TO THE TOWN STANDARD.
SO IT'S GONNA WIDEN OUT HIGH POINT TERRACE, YOU KNOW, AS IT EXISTS TODAY DOES NOT MEET TOWN STANDARD, BUT THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BULB IT OUT AND WIDEN IT TO THE 26 FOOT WIDE STANDARD TO, TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CODE.
HOWEVER, IT WOULD JUST, JUST IN AREA THOUGH, JUST IN IN THAT SECTION, WE CAN SHOW YOU THOSE PLANS.
JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT.
OKAY, WELL, TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.
IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A, A PRI SAY THAT PRIVATE ROAD IS ACTUALLY BUILT, OR WOULD THE APPLICANT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ROAD, TO THAT ROAD OR BE A PRIVATE ROAD TO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AUTOMATIC ACCESS? NOT AUTOMATIC, NO.
SO THEY WOULD NOT, YEAH, WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE.
THEY WOULD'VE TO NEGOTIATE THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, A COMMENT THAT TOM SAID IS THAT THAT SECOND
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LOT IS STILL OVERSIZED.IT'S NOT AT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE I THOUGHT IT WAS.
WHAT'S THE, THE TOTAL, THIS IS THE SECOND LOT IN THE BACK.
THE MINIMUM LOT AREA THAT HAS TO BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET IS BASICALLY THE SHADED AREA.
THAT HAS TO BE 40,000 FEET TWICE THE, UH, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 20.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T COUNT THE STEM THAT GOES BACK TOWARDS THE, UH, THE, THE BACK OF THE AREA.
SO THE OVERALL LOT AREA ITSELF IS 49,000 4 9 2.
UH, BUT THE LOT AREA THAT APPLIES TO THAT PORTION TO CODE IS 41,700 THAT SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT PORTION WE'D BE, WE'D HAVE TO GO DOWN TO 40,000.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LOT AS DONE AS DRAWN AS 41,000, IT ISN'T THAT MUCH OVER.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I GOT YOU.
YES, I, I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMENT, MICHAEL, AND THEN COR OKAY.
NO, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION TO, UH, TO AARON ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THE APPLICANT COULD GET ACCESS TO THAT ROAD THAT'S BEING IMPROVED, YEAH.
IF THEY COULD GET IT SO THAT THEY HAVE 100 FEET OF LOT WIDTH ALONG IT, THEN UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD NEED TO BE A FLAG LOT.
SO, SO IF THEY CAN GET ACCESS TO THAT ROAD MM-HMM.
YOU COULD SHRINK THE SIZE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, LOT NUMBER TWO.
AND STRAIGHTEN OUT, SQUARE IT OFF THESE COCKAMAMIE, YOU KNOW, BOUNDARIES THAT TOM HAY POINTED OUT.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND I, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON.
AND I HAVE A SECOND NOW I, GO AHEAD.
MY, MY CONCERN WAS ONLY, UH, THAT IF THEY DON'T WANT US TO, TO CONNECT THEM TO THAT, THEN WE'D STILL HAVE TO COME OUT, UH, TO THE, TO HIGH POINT TERRACE HERE, OR POSSIBLY ALL THE WAY TO THE END, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID COMING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY HERE TO THE END.
I THINK THE POINT IS, I WOULD EXPLORE IT BEFORE YOU COME IN WITH AN APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT'S MICHAEL'S POINT.
AND MY SECOND POINT IS THIS, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED AT THE APPLICATION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OF THE, OF THE ZONING VARIANCES.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENT IS PUT IN THERE FOR A REASON.
THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THE PERMITTED AMOUNT THAN IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE ON THE NEW LOT, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
YOU KNOW, WE GENERALLY DON'T LIKE THAT.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME ANOTHER POSSIBILITY, LET'S SAY YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO THE IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, UH, HIGH POINT TERRACE, CAN YOU APPLY TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR AN AREA VARIANCE? SO INSTEAD OF THE 40,000 FEET REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY 30,000 FEET I COULD OKAY.
AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE VARIANCES THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED IN THIS POINT, AND YOU'D STILL HAVE A LOT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
REGARD, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY TOO, REGARD TO THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE THIS TO, TO MAKE THIS LOT COMPLIANT IN THAT RESPECT.
UM, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT TO THIS, IN THIS RESPECT YET BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS LAYOUT WAS OKAY, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE BOARD.
BUT OBVIOUSLY ONCE, ONCE WE START MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN START SEEING WHERE WE CAN ELIMINATE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AREAS OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SO THAT WE CAN COME WITHIN THAT, UH, THAT THRESHOLD.
SO WE DON'T NEED THAT VARIANCE FOR THE IMPERVIOUS AREA TO, JUST TO REINFORCE MICHAEL'S POINT, ONE OF 'EM, ONE THING OUR CODE SAYS, WHICH IS KIND OF STRANGE THAT YOU CAN ACT, BUT THE ZONING BOARD CAN GIVE A VARIANCE FROM THIS, IS THOU SHALT NOT CREATE A VARIANCE BY HAVING A SUBDIVISION.
THEREFORE, I NATURALLY FROWN ON SUBDIVISIONS THAT CREATE VARIANCES.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN ZONING.
UM, I THINK MICHAEL'S SOLUTION, UH, EITHER ONE OF THEM, RIGHT, MICHAEL, EITHER ONE IS VERY CREATIVE AND COULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, THEN ALL YOU'RE DOING IS GOING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE FLAG LOT AND NOT, AND NOT FOR CREATING VARIANCES ON THE EXISTING LOT.
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YOU GIVE THE, THE EXISTING LOT A BACKYARD, WHICH IT DOESN'T, AND I KNOW IT'S GONNA A BIG SIDE YARD AND A HUGE FRONT YARD, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BACKYARD BEYOND THE POOL AND PATIO, WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING I WOULD WANT ANYWAY, UH, GOING FORWARD.SO I, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU LOOK AT A DRAWING THAT DOES WHAT MICHAEL'S SUGGESTED, UH, EITHER WITH EITHER OPTION AND, UH, TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT AND TALK TO, IS THERE AN H O A ON THOSE THREE HOUSES WITH THAT? UH, IS IT GOING TO BE AN H O A I DON'T THINK SO.
WHO'S THE DEVELOP? COULD YOU GIVE HIM THE CAR, PUT HIM IN CONTACT? WELL, I, I TAKE THAT BACK ACTUALLY.
UM, BECAUSE IT WAS AN H HOA, THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROADWAY, I BELIEVE MAY FALL INTO AN H O A BETWEEN THE TWO OWNERS.
OKAY, WELL I'LL, I'LL HELP THIS APPLICANT GET IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT TO SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
AND IF IT'S NOT, CONSIDER OPTION TWO THAT MICHAEL SUGGESTED, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY CREATIVE AND AN INTERESTING IDEA OF REDUCING THE LOT SIZE AND TAKE THE VARIANCE FROM THE FLAG LOT RATHER THAN, THAN TAKE IT BY CREATING VARIANCES ON WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, A REALLY, REALLY GOOD IDEA.
UM, COR YOU HAD A QUESTION, I BELIEVE.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, YOU, YOU AND MICHAEL SORT OF, UH, UH, COMMUTED QUICK COMMENTS THAT I HAVE, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE ANYWAY.
I THINK I, I DON'T LIKE A, UM, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT CREATES A, UH, WHICH IS ALREADY CONFORMING, UH, LAW AND WE DO SOMETHING THAT CREATES A NON-CONFORMING EXISTING SITUATION.
SO, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S KIND OF A REALLY, UH, TWISTING THE, TWISTING THE WHOLE INTENT OF THE, UH, LAND USE LAW.
AND, AND, UH, SO I THINK I DON'T LIKE THAT, UH, THIS KIND OF SUBDIVISION DOING IT TO FORCE THE, UH, FORCE THE SUBDIVISION FOR ECONOMIC, UH, GAIN JUST, JUST FOR ECONOMIC, UH, BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, NOW WITH THE, UH, MICHAEL'S CREATIVE, UH, SUGGESTIONS ABOUT TO, UH, CREATE MAKING IT, UH, CONFORMING EXISTING LOT AND ASKING FOR VARIANCE FOR NEW LOT, UH, IT, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT DEFEAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE LAND USE LAW.
I HAVE A QUICK, UH, COMMENT FOR YOU.
UM, COULD YOU GO OVER A LITTLE BIT THE PROPOSED UTILITY CONNECTION? I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, UNIQUE AS OPPOSED TO OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AND, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UH, MR. GOLDEN'S SUGGESTION IN REDUCING THE LOT AREA HOW, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO US WITH IT, BUT HOW THE PROPOSED UTILITY CONNECTION WOULD PLAY INTO A REDUCED LOT AREA CLOSER TO, UH, THE NORTH OF HIGH POINT TERRACE.
WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, UTILITIES, WE WERE ACTUALLY, UH, PROPOSING AN EASEMENT ALONG THE, UH, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY HERE.
UM, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO EXTEND DOWN, UM, AND GRABBED THE UTILITIES FROM THIS SECTION OF HIGH POINT TERRACE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I, I REMEMBER, FROM WHAT I RECALL FROM OUR MEETINGS, I, I BELIEVE BACK IN END OF DECEMBER OR JANUARY, UM, WAS WHEN WAS THESE LOTS DIDN'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY WATER WHERE THERE WAS ANY SEWER.
UM, AND BECAUSE THE WATER MAIN, I BELIEVE ENDED OR HERE SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA, AND I KNOW THE SEWER ENDS IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO WE WERE, SINCE WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT STREET DOWN HERE, WE WERE GONNA BRING THE ABILITY DOWN THIS WAY AND CONNECTED DOWN HERE.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT ALL.
UM, PROVIDING FRONTAGE, IF WE WERE, IF WE DO GET THIS, WE'D STILL NEED TO PROVIDE THE FRONTAGE OF THE 25 FOOT, UM, BECAUSE THIS WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC ROAD, SO WE'D STILL NEED TO PROVIDE FRONTAGE ON THE PUBLIC ROAD TOO, UNLESS IT'S THE FLAG LOT AS WELL.
SO, NO, YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE 25.
YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE 25 FOOT FRONTAGE, UM, FLAG.
WELL, YOU WOULD NEED FRONTAGE, BUT, UH, IT BEING A PRIVATE ROAD WOULDN'T BE A HINDRANCE 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS.
SO YES, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO USE THAT AS YOUR FULL FRONTAGE POTENTIALLY.
I CAN USE THAT AS THE FRONTAGE THEN IN THIS LOCATION IF YOU GET PERMISSION, UH, FROM THE OWNERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, WHEN WE COME, WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BACK, I, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF YOU COULD JUST PUT A, A, A HOUSE ON THE LOT AND
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JUST SO WE COULD SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE AND WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE.UH, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, I THINK YOU GOT OUR COMMENTS AND, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR, UH, AND THE CHANGES.
SO I THINK THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT, AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL DOWN.
OKAY, NEXT CASE IS, UH, 2219, UH, MCCORDY, UM, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PER PERMIT.
UM, FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS DECLARE OUR OURSELVES AS LEAD AGENCY, EVERYBODY DECLARE INTENT TO SERVE.
NO, THIS IS INTENT, RIGHT? WE NEED, WE CAN MOTION, I MAKE MOTION THAT WE DECLARE OUR INTENT TO BE THE LEAD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, TOM SECONDS.
IS IT AN AYE OPPOSED, OR I, I AGREE.
DO YOU WANT DESCRIBE THIS A LITTLE BIT? I JUST WANT TO NOTE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ, THAT THAT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED REQUIRES AN AREA VARIANCE THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RIGHT.
FOR FRONTAGE ONTO A ROAD AND PROVE TO TOWN STANDARD.
SO THEREFORE, THE Z B A WILL BE AN INVOLVED AGENCY AND WE'LL CIRCULATE THE PLANNING BOARD'S INTENT.
YEAH, SO I CAN GO OVER IT A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, GO, GO OVER WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT.
UH, SO THIS IS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION, UM, FOR THIS SUBDIVISION.
IT IS, UM, AN EXISTING OVERSIZED LOT HAS ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE ARC 10 DISTRICT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SPLIT THE LOT IN HALF, UH, TO TWO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, AND THOSE LOTS WOULD BE ZONING COMPLIANT IN ALL RESPECTS, EXCEPT FOR, AS AARON SAID, UH, HAVING FRONTAGE ON A ROAD BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A PAPER STREET AND A PRIVATE ROAD.
CHESTNUT STREET IS POORLY BUILT, UM, IS DEFINITELY NOT THE TOWN STANDARDS.
UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE NUMEROUS EXTENSIONS YOU GRANTED THERE'S A BOTTLE LOTTO SUBDIVISION.
UH, AT THE END OF CHESTNUT STREET, THEY WERE APPROVED TO BUILD OUT THE ROAD, NOT TO TOWN STANDARDS, BUT TO 20 FEET WIDE.
APPLIED FOR, AND WERE GRANTED A VARIANCE FOR HAVING FRONTAGE ON A ROAD BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS.
UM, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, THE CURRENT APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, IS WILLING TO JOIN WITH THEM IN, UH, NOT SURE IF IT'S FINANCING OR LENDING CONSTRUCTION THE APPLICANT WILL GO INTO, BUT BUILDING OUT CHESTNUT STREET AS APPROVED.
UM, SO WE'LL BE A PROPER STREET, JUST NOT THE TOWN STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD NECESSITATE THIS VARIANCE, HENCE THE Z B A BEING AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
WHAT IS THE TOWN STANDARD? 26 FEET WIDE? THEY'RE PROPOSED THE, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR 20 FEET WIDE.
FOR THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY WITH A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY.
SOMETIMES YOU SEE A 40 FOOT OR
DO YOU WANT THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THE PER PROJECT? UH, YES.
NICHOLAS, MR. SHAA GOING ONCE.
I KNOW MR. SHAA WAS LOOKING TO, HE, THAT'S HIS PHONE NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM.
HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE THROUGH.
SORRY, NICK, ARE YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
I'M GONNA HANG UP ON MY PHONE AND JUST SPEAK THROUGH MY, MY LAPTOP.
UH, THANKS FOR, UM, ALLOWING ME TO JOIN TONIGHT.
UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANTS FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF FIVE RETT AVENUE.
UM, AS, UH, AS MATT SAID BEFORE, IT'S A, UM, 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
UM, IN THE R I BELIEVE IT WAS R 7.5.
IS THAT RIGHT? UM, ONE SECOND.
R 7.5 DISTRICT, UM, SUBDIVIDING IT INTO TWO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WITH THE, UM, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON CHESTNUT, UM, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE BOTTOM LADDER AND SUBDIVISION ON SPRINGWOOD.
UM, I'M JUST GOING TO SLOW DOWN
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SO WE CAN SEE.UM, JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THE, UH, THE LOT AS IS, UH, THERE'S, IT'S A ONE AND A HALF STORY EXISTING HOUSE ON 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
UM, THERE ARE, SO THREE TREES ON THE PORTION THAT WERE PLANNED TO SUBDIVIDE, ONE WILL BE REMOVED ALTOGETHER, AND THE OTHER TWO, UH, THESE JAPANESE MAPLES WILL BE RELOCATED AND PLANTED, UM, PENDING APPROVAL AND INSTRUCTION, UM, OF THE PROJECT.
UM, UM, AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, THE LOTS ARE INVOLVED, ZONING COMPLIANT, UM, ZOOM IN, UH, SO NO VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED.
EVERYTHING, UH, MEETS THE ZONING CODE.
UM, WE'RE PLANNING TO FRONT ONTO CHESTNUT STREET SHOWN, UM, WITH THE ASSOCIATED DRIVEWAY IMPROVEMENT.
I'M SORRY, THE, UH, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT IS SHOWN HERE ON CHESTNUT.
UH, WE'RE WIDENING THE STREETS 20 FEET.
UM, AND SEE WE'RE CONNECTING INTO UTILITIES ALREADY EXISTING ON CHESTNUT STREET, UH, SEWER, GAS, ET CETERA, ARE ALREADY LOCATED ON CHESTNUT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE CONNECTING, UM, THE PROPOSED HOUSE TO THOSE, UH, EXISTING UTILITIES, UM,
I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EXISTING.
ARE THERE EXISTING UTILITIES OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UTILITIES THAT WILL BE THERE AS APPROVED BY THE BOTTLE AUTO SUBDIVISION? UM, I BELIEVE THERE, THERE'S EXISTING SEWER, SAN ANTONIO SEWER THERE AND THE GAS, UH, ON CHESTNUT ALREADY.
UM, BUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO LINES CONNECTING.
UM, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE PROPOSED HOUSE OR ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE EXISTING, LIKE THE EXISTING UTILITIES ON THAT SITE? BOTH.
UM, FROM THE SURVEY, FROM THE SURVEYS THAT WE HAVE, THE, THERE IS SANITARY SEWER AND GAS ALREADY ON THAT, ON THAT STREET.
SO DO YOU HAVE TO EXTEND IT TO GET TO THE NEW HOUSE THEN? UM, SO CHESTER STREET IS, IS, IT'S AN EXISTING, UM, IT'S AN EXISTING STREET, BUT IT'S NOT TWO TOWN STANDARDS.
UM, I'LL GO BACK TO MY EXISTING, UM, PRIVATE.
CAN, CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT? I KNOW IT MUST BE A RED, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A UTILITY RIGHT AWAY ON IT.
SO CAN YOU GUYS SEE CH CAN YOU GUYS SEE CHESTNUT STREET HERE? YEAH.
SO, UM, THE EXISTING HOUSE ON, ON THE LOT ALREADY HAS, UM, FRONTAGE ON CHESTNUT STREET.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO, TWO OTHER LOTS THAT, UH, OR ONE OF THE LOT THAT FRONTS ON TO CHESTNUT STREET.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES THE UTILITY CONNECTION END? AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO EXTEND IT.
UM, BACK HERE, UM, THERE IS A MANHOLE THAT ENDS ON CHESTNUT STREET HERE.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE IT CONNECTS BACK TO ANOTHER PAPER STREET, UM, THAT GOES DOWN AWAY FROM CHESTNUT.
WHAT, WHAT ABOUT GAS? I DON'T REMEMBER STREET ON THAT.
WHAT ABOUT GAS? UM, THERE IS A GAS VALVE HERE, UM, ON CHESTNUT STREET ALREADY SHOWN.
UM, SO JUST BE A MATTER OF CONNECTING.
UM, OUR FUTURE HOUSE TO, TO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO THAT AREA.
WALTER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, SO THE ONLY ISSUE, EVERYTHING IS ZONE COMPLIANT.
SO THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS BOARDING ON A, UH, NON-COMPLIANCE, NOT NON CITY STANDARD.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS, WHICH IS A PRECEDENT ALREADY WITH BARTO.
THAT ALREADY APPROVED IT AT 20 AND THAT THEY'RE GONNA JOIN INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.
SO IF THEY DO THAT, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A PROB PROBLEM.
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NEED TO GO FOR THE VARIANCE? OH YEAH.TO BE OFFICIAL, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE I WOULDN'T THINK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, UH, WHAT DOES THIS NEW STREET WILL BE CONNECTED OR
UM, THEY DON'T WANT TO DEDICATE IT TO THE, UH, TO THE TOWN.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE STREET HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED AND, UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING, WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, SEEKING VARIANCE TO KEEP THE ROAD AT 20 FEET, THE, UH, THE 26 FEET REQUIRED BY THE TOWN.
MY QUESTION IS THAT HOW DO THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES TURN OUT? UH, THERE'S, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED WHEN THE BATTLE AUTO SUBDIVISION, UH, WAS SUBMITTED.
IT WAS PROVIDED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE THIS PROPOSAL, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL SENT ALONG TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
THEY ACKNOWLEDGED RECEIPT OF THE MATERIALS, BUT WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS.
SO WE DID FOLLOW UP TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.
NEVERTHELESS, WE WILL BEFORE THIS PROJECT COMES BACK, BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, LIKELY A MONTH FROM NOW AFTER THE 30 DAYS HAS PASSED FOR THE LEAD AGENCY NOTIFICATION OF INTENT, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS FORTHCOMING, UH, FROM OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AS WELL.
AND THEN THE TOWN WOULD NOT TAKE OVER A ROAD THAT'S NOT IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
SO BEING THAT IT'S ONLY 20 FEET IN WIDTH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA, THE TOWN WOULD NOT TAKE THAT OVER AT THIS TIME.
I I GOTTA TELL YOU, YOU'VE GOT BART LOT LAVA WHO'S AT THE END OF THE STREET THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS AND AS WE KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS A ZILLION TIMES.
WHAT DO FIRETRUCK DO ON THE END OF A DEAD END STREET? THEY JACK OUT OR BACK IN ONE OF THE TWO.
IF IT'S A EMERGENCY, THEY DON'T BACK IN.
UM, SANITATION, WHO, WHO DID, DOES GREENBERG DO SANITATION OR THEY GET IT FROM LEY OR THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.
WHERE'S THE, WHAT'S THE SERVICE SANITATION? WHO SERVICES IT? SO I'LL ACTUALLY NEED TO DISCUSS THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I CAN HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
MY, UH, UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN WOULD PICK UP THE, UH, TRASH IS THAT IS, THAT'S UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, SO THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S SERVED CORRECTED, WOULD NOT BE A VILLAGE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GONNA BE PRIVATE OR PRIVATE ROAD.
THEY PICK UP EVEN ON PRIVATE ROAD, PICK UP ON PRIVATE ROAD PICK UP APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
SO WHO CLEANS UP THE SNOW? THAT'D BE QUESTION WOULD BE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT.
IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD AND IF, IF THE ROAD IS NOT PROPERLY PLOWED AND THEN, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE CANNOT GO IN CONSIDERING THAT THEY CAN BACK OUT LIKE WHAT YOU SUGGEST, WHO IS IT RESPONSIBLE FOR? UH, THAT, THAT SITUATION WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THEY, THEY CANNOT GO IN TO FIND THE FIRE.
I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH OUR COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE THE PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS REQUIREMENT AND OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THE ROADWAY FREE AND CLEAR FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS EVEN IN THE EVENT OF SNOWFALL.
PARTICULARLY WE HAVE A COUPLE HOUSES ON THE STREET.
IS IT GONNA BE AN H O A RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? HOW, HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? IS THERE GONNA BE SOME KIND OF BOND IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE NEED TO SEND ONE OF OUR OWN PLOWS DOWN THERE, DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
AND ALSO THE SORT OF ARE, WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF A PRECEDENT SET UP THAT SOMEBODY CAN JUST, UH, IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD, GOOD PRECEDENCE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF, UH, UN BUILDING, A ROAD BUILDING THINGS THAT ARE NOT, UH, TOWN STANDARDS.
SO WHY DO THE TOWN HAS ITS STANDARDS? CHRIS? UH, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT HORSE ALREADY LEFT THE BARN BECAUSE OF BAR WADO.
I DON'T BUT THAT'S THE 1, 1 2, 2 WRONGS DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA WIDEN THE STREET THERE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW.
TO ME THAT WOULD BE ARBITRARY AT THAT POINT.
AM I CORRECT AMANDA? MAYBE BORDERLINE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE ON THE SAME STREET, A FEW HOUSES DOWN, THE OTHER ONE'S FURTHER DOWN THE STREET AND YOU'RE SAY IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO
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BE ON A NARROW STREET, BUT YOU CAN'T BE.I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME HAS PASSED THOUGH AS WELL.
HOW LONG IS FAR ALONG? IT'S A COUPLE YEARS.
NO, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS ABOUT OVER 10 YEARS AGO.
SO I MEAN IF THERE'S MAYBE WHAT WE DID SOMETHING ON THERE.
WE'VE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THIS RECENTLY, A YEAR AGO.
WELL, WE GAVE ANOTHER EXTENSION THAT WAS LIO EMILIO, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT EMILIO? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS EMILIO.
AND IN YOUR EXTENSION YOU INDICATED THAT THIS IS THE LAST ONE AND IF YOU, THEY DO NOT START CONSTRUCTION RIGHT BEFORE IT EXPIRES, LET'S NOT GET INTO ANOTHER, NOT ANOTHER CASE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WAITING HERE FOR OTHER STUFF, SO I DON'T WANNA GET INTO ANOTHER CASE.
BUT THE FACT IS, IN THIS CASE, IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION THAT I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT.
I THINK IT'D BE PRETTY HARD TO ASK THEM.
WE COULD TRY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY THE THING I WOULD DO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCOURAGING THAT, THAT IN THE FUTURE.
NEITHER OF US WOULD SHARE AT THE TIME.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, SO AARON, SORRY, ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UM, JUST TO BE SURE, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE AND ALSO DRAINAGE PLAN, A DRAINAGE PLAN AS WELL, CORRECT? UM, I DO HAVE A, UH, DRAINAGE PLAN.
UM, I DON'T, IT'S SHOWN HERE ON SHEET C FIVE.
UH, THERE IS AN ABUNDANCE OF ROCK ON SITE.
UH, WE'RE PLANNING TO, UM, CONNECT TO AN EXISTING CATCH BASIN THAT'S ON, UM, ON HILLCREST.
UM, BUT WE'LL NEED TO CONNECT THROUGH, UM, WE'LL NEED TO CONNECT, UH, THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY AND GO INTO THAT CATCH BASIN ON, ON HILLCREST.
THE NEXT STEP, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AARON OR MATT, AND THIS FOR US IS WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE IF WE DECLARE THE AGENCY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING.
WE THEN NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD BEFORE WE EVEN ACT ON THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO REVISE THE PLANS.
GIVE US VERY, GIVE US DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLANS, DETAILED DRAINAGE PLANS.
YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T ONLY THE HOOKUP THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT RUNOFF AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE CONTOUR, THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA CREATE A RUNOFF ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY THERE.
SO THAT WILL EVERYTHING WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE NEXT TIME THAT WE DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU GUYS.
AND IT GENERALLY TAKES, IT'LL PROBABLY BE A MONTH, RIGHT? YEAH, 30 DAYS.
SO IT'S MARCH 15TH, IT'LL BE, LET'S SEE, TODAY'S THE SECOND MEETING, SO IT'S PROBABLY THE SECOND, OUR SECOND MEETING IN MARCH, BE THE FIRST TIME WE COULD HEAR THIS.
THE NEXT CASE, PB 22 DASH 20, WHICH IS ELMWOOD PRESERVE, WHICH I NOPE, YOU OVERDO THAT.
I NEED TO MAKE, I BOUGHT THIS COCA-COLA JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS AND I DON'T PLAN TO RECUSE MY MYSELF.
UM, CASE PB 2227, LIBERTY COCA-COLA.
IT'S, UH, FOR AN AMEND SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WHERE DOES THE STATUS WITH, UH, LEAD AGENCY AND VARIANCES AND ALL THAT STUFF? UH, SO WE DISTRIBUTED THE LEAD AGENCY INTENT TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING BOARD.
AND BOTH HAVE ISSUED NO OBJECTION TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO CLAIM ITSELF LEAD AGENCY.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE DECLARE OUR 10 TONIGHT? OR, OR NO, YOU CAN DECLARE LEAD AGENCY TONIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO DECLARE OUR OURSELF LEAD AGENCY IN THIS CASE THEN.
YOU MADE IT JUST OUTTA THE WIRE THAT TIME TOM.
ALRIGHT, NOW, SO NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
THIS HASN'T GONE TO THE ZONING BOARD.
WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME REVISIONS TONIGHT.
AND THEN OUR JOB IS TO DECIDE, UH, WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA DO SECRET.
WE WON'T, WE WEREN'T GONNA DO SECRET TONIGHT.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU'RE NOT ON THE SCHEDULE FOR WHAT IS YOUR SCHEDULE WITH THE ZONING BOARD NOW? SO, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZARIN AT STEINMETZ REPRESENTING LIBERTY KOCH JOINED THIS EVENING BY DYLAN PENN FROM LIBERTY KOCH AND OUR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
WE HAVE FILED OUR ZONING BOARD APPLICATION TODAY, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO, WE, WE HAD LEARNED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET ON TO TOMORROW NIGHT'S RIGHT.
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WE KNEW WE WERE TRACKING FOR THE MARCH 16TH AGENDA.SO WE ARE, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT JUST KIND OF JUMPING TO THE END.
AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO WORK BACKWARDS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED LAST TIME WERE, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, ANSWERED CORRECTLY AND, AND COMPLETELY.
SOME OF YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE, MICHAEL, I, YOU WERE NOT HERE LAST MONTH.
HAPPY TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE FULLY CAUGHT UP AND WE CAN DO THAT QUICKLY.
UM, AND WE'RE HOPING MR. CHAIRMAN TO LEAVE TONIGHT, UH, WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD.
SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING BOARD NEXT MONTH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY ADDRESS EVERYTHING AND DEAL WITH IT IN ONE NIGHT.
THE ONE ISSUE WE HAVE, AS I RECALL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND MS. MATT AND, AND, UH, AARON, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME FIRE DISTRICT COMMENTS BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT SEEKER.
AND, AND WE, WE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE WILL NOT DO, WE ARE NOT GONNA, DO WE DECLARE OURSELF, WE AGENCY.
WE WON'T DO A SECRET DETERMINATION TILL THE NEXT TIME.
SO WE MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT AT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE.
IF WE DON'T, WE COULD DO IT THE NEXT TIME WE DO SEEKER.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY, KIND OF JUST SINCE WE'RE ON PROCEDURE RIGHT NOW.
JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE LINE.
UM, WHETHER WE'RE ON THE MARCH, AND I'M KIND OF DIRECTING THIS TO MATT AND MARRON, WHETHER WE'RE ON THE MARCH 1ST AGENDA OR THE MARCH 15TH AGENDA, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THE BOARD CAN COMPLETE SECRET ON THAT NIGHT SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING BOARD, HAVE TO YEAH.
WE, WE HAVE A SHOT AT GETTING A DECISION FROM THE ZONING BOARD IN A ONE AND DONE EVENING.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD LUCK.
I HOPE WE, WELL, TYPICALLY WE DON'T, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD ASPECTS THOUGH, IN THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AND SECRET, UH, THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE ACCOMPLISHED.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE, WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT? I THINK WE CAN DO THIS FOR THE MORNING FIRST MEETING, SO, OKAY.
SO YOU EXPECT TO, TO HEAR BACK, AARON, WHAT WERE WE GONNA SAY? I THINK I WAS JUST GONNA JUMP IN.
SO IT'S CUSTOMARY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO TACKLE SEEKER AND GO THROUGH AND CONSIDER A DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE THE SAME EVENING THAT IT WOULD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE Z B A.
THE FIRST WILL WE HAVE, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY LINE UP FOR THE FIRST, I SPOKE WITH THE COMMISSIONER OKAY.
THIS AFTERNOON REGARDING COORDINATION WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT AND THEIR CONSULTANT.
AND WE HAVE A CALL SET UP THERE.
WE FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB IN RESPONDING NOT ONLY TO PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS, BUT ALSO TO INITIAL COMMENTS RAISED OKAY.
BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
UM, IN THIS SUBMISSION THAT WAS JUST, UH, PROVIDED SO THAT THEY'LL GO THROUGH THIS EVENING, AND THEREFORE WE THINK THINGS ARE, ARE CLOSE TO BEING WRAPPED UP AND WE SHOULD BE READY FOR THE FIRST.
WELL, WHAT WE NEED TO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO THOUGH, IF WE'RE IN THE FIRST, REMEMBER WE'RE IN THE 15TH NOW, WE'D BASICALLY NEED THE CONSULTANTS REPORT FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IF WE DO THAT, WE SHOULD BE, WE STILL, WE CAN BE ON FOR THE FIRST.
EITHER WAY WE'LL BE ON NOT TO SLOW THEM DOWN FOR THE ZONING BOARD MEETING.
WHEN IS THE ZONING BOARD MEETING? MARCH 16TH.
AND OUR MEETING'S THE DAY BEFORE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, YEAH, EITHER WAY WE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET, AND WE'VE DONE THAT TURNAROUND.
WE'VE DONE THAT A LOT OF TIME, SO HOPEFULLY WE COULD, I'D RATHER GET IT OUT OF THE WAY OF THE FIRST.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY DEPENDING ON WHEN WE GET THE REPORT FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT.
I, I'M HAP YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THE NEXT TWO ITEMS BEHIND THIS, SO I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT FOR YOU AS POSSIBLE.
I'D LIKE DO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY WAS HERE.
I'LL TAKE A STEP BACK IF YOU COULD, AND THERE'S SOME REALLY KIND OF COOL STUFF.
SO IF YOU COULD TAKE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES JUST TO EXPLAIN GOT IT.
SO WE CAN, I WANNA HEAR IT PROCESS.
I THINK IF YOU CAN TRY GENERATE YOUR COMMENTS, IT'LL BE MOST EFFICIENT.
I THINK THAT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
SO, VISHNU BARRAN, WHO'S HERE FROM CLARK ENERGY WILL, WILL COVER THAT.
WALTER, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE, WE ANSWERED, UH, WE HOPEFULLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION WITH THE, WITH THE WRITTEN ILLUSTRATION, BUT WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT JUST VERY BRIEFLY IN TERMS OF THE BASICS.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T HERE, UM, LIBERTY COCA-COLA, UH, A COCA-COLA BOTTLING FACILITY HERE IN THE TOWN ON FAIRVIEW DRIVE.
IT'S A 22 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A 440,000 SQUARE FOOT EXISTING, UM, UH, COCA-COLA BOTTLING PLANT IN THE PD DISTRICT.
WHAT WE EXPLAINED AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR MATERIALS IS, UM, WHAT I SAID TO YOU LAST, UH, MEETING IS A REALLY EXCITING AND REALLY CUTTING EDGE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY FACILITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
PRESENTLY, THE FACILITY IS OPERATING, THE GOAL HERE IS TO BRING
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A CO-GENERATION, UM, A CO-GENERATION INSTALLATION ONTO THE PROPERTY THAT WILL ALLOW LIBERTY COKE TO GENERATE ITS OWN ELECTRICITY, HAVE THE BYPRODUCTS OF COOLING AS WELL AS HEATING THAT CAN BE UTILIZED ON SITE.AND, UM, MICHAEL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WAS, UH, THE, THE, ONE OF THE MAIN BYPRODUCTS OF CO-GENERATION, UNFORTUNATELY, IS C O TWO CARBON DIOXIDE.
IN THIS SITUATION, CARBON DIOXIDE, C O TWO, IS A WONDERFUL THING TO HAVE ON SITE IF YOU CAN BRING IT BACK INSIDE THE FACILITY AND BRING IT OR CLEAN IT TO BEVERAGE GRADE CARBONATION.
SO RATHER THAN IMPORTING THE FIZZ OR THE CARBONATION, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE ON THIS SITE, HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS A YEAR, BRINGING IN C O TWO TO THE PROPERTY, UM, THIS SITE WILL NOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED, BE ABLE TO GENERATE ITS OWN ELECTRICITY ALMOST ENTIRELY RUNNING THE FACILITY, UM, AND BRING IN OR GENERATE ITS OWN CARBONATION.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, LIBERTY COKE IS EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT.
WE THINK THIS IS TOTALLY CONSISTENT.
HOW, HOW IS IT GONNA GENERATE THE ELECTRICITY? UH, I'M GONNA LET VISHNU EXPLAIN THAT 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE WALTER AND LESLIE ASKED SOME REALLY GREAT PROBING QUESTIONS.
LAST MEETING, UM, WE SUPPLIED SOME INFORMATION AND I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS.
UM, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE FAIR TO A REALLY COOL PROJECT.
UH, THE, FOR MY PURPOSES, FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, WE'RE ASKING FOR A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, WE EXPLAINED LAST TIME THAT, UH, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ASPECTS OF THE INSTALLATION ARE TWO APPROXIMATELY 77 FOOT TALL STACKS, UH, OR ABSORBER TOWERS THAT ARE, UH, LOCATED A AN ABSORBER TOWER AND A STRIPPER TOWER, WHICH VISHNU CAN EXPLAIN, UH, WHICH, UH, ARE THE ESSENCE OF THE CO-GENERATION.
THERE IS A PAD THAT WILL BE INSTALLED ONSITE.
UH, SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK HAVE ALREADY BEEN OUT THERE.
I KNOW STAFF HAS BEEN OUT THERE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THE CHAIR INDICATED, WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS.
THE PAD ITSELF HAS BEEN MADE SMALLER.
UH, THERE IS NOW A SMALL 35 BY 38 FOOT, A 35 FOOT BY 38 FOOT BUILDING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THE PAD TO HOUSE SOME OF THIS INSTALLATION SO THAT IT IS PROTECTED FROM, UM, THE WEATHER, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY.
AND, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE REDUCTION OF, UH, THE PAD, WE HAVE REDUCED OUR IMPERMEABLE SURFACE AREA.
AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY TWO VARIANCES THAT WE WERE OTHERWISE ASKING FOR.
UH, WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED 20 FOOT TALL LIGHT POLES ON SITE WHERE ONLY 14 FOOT LIGHT POLES ARE ALLOWED.
WE'VE GOT 14 FOOT LIGHT POLES.
UM, AND AS A RESULT OF REDUCING THE PAD ON SITE, WE HAVE ELIMINATED, OR WE HAVE AVOIDED ELIMINATING NINE PARKING SPACES.
SO OUR PARKING COUNT ON SITE REMAINS THE SAME.
SO THOSE TWO VARIANCES HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.
WE STILL NEED, UM, MOST SIGNIFICANTLY A HEIGHT VARIANCE FOR THESE 2 77 FOOT INSTALLATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS EVENING, JOE THOMPSON, OUR PROJECT, UH, ONE OF OUR PROJECT ARCHITECTS IS HERE.
JOE'S DONE THE VISUAL ANALYSIS THAT WE WALKED YOU THROUGH LAST TIME.
WE ALL FELT, UH, MARK ORANO IN PARTICULAR, THAT WE NEEDED TO GET JOE HERE SO THAT HE WAS LIVE.
AND HE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
YOU ASKED US A FEW THINGS LAST TIME THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HEAR FOR THE RECORD VERBALLY.
YOU ASKED THE HEIGHT OF THE CONED, UH, HIGH TENSION WIRE SUPPORTS THAT WE SAW VISUALLY IN SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE FAR MORE VISIBLE THAN THIS SITE.
THOSE CONED TOWERS ARE 145 FEET TALL, JUXTAPOSED WITH OUR PROPOSED 77 FOOT TALL, UM, UH, STACKS.
AND THE WATER TOWER THAT WAS ALSO VISIBLE IN, UH, IN SOME OF JOE'S ILLUSTRATIONS AND PHOTOGRAPHS IS A 200 FOOT WATER TOWER.
SO YOU ASKED US TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU, I WANNA MAKE SURE I STATE FOR THE RECORD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO VISHNU, YOU CAN START WARMING UP.
UM,
UM, EVERY PROJECT I WORK ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, I GET MY NORMAL LETTER.
I NEVER KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA GET.
THIS WAS A REALLY NICE LETTER TO SEE THE COUNTY BE ABLE TO KIND OF CONDENSE IT INTO LITERALLY ONE PAGE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, IT'S LAUDABLE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS, UH, RECOMMENDED IN YOUR COMP PLAN, IN YOUR ZONING.
AND, UM, DI PENN AND, AND LIBERTY COOCH ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS TO THE TOWN.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO VISHNU, IRAN TO HOPEFULLY BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE, THE OPERATION, UH, OR THE BUSINESS OPERATION, UM,
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OF THE CO-GENERATION, WHICH IS A RATHER TECHNICAL THING.IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LAND USE ORIENTED, BUT I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE FASCINATED.
UH, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH AN ILLUSTRATION 'CAUSE UH, MR. SIMON ASKED FOR IT SPECIFICALLY.
AND VISHNU WILL WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
UH, AGAIN, FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, IT'S REALLY WHAT'S SITTING ON THE GROUND.
BUT IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE OPERATION, WE KNOW IT'S FASCINATING.
JUST, JUST FROM A TIME CHECK POINT OF VIEW.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT ANOTHER 20 MINUTES ON THIS PROJECT, MAX.
YEAH, I WON'T LET HIM SPEAK FOR MORE THAN FIVE.
I'M VISHNU BARRON FROM CLARK ENERGY.
UM, WE ARE THE MANUFACTURER, SUPPLIER, AND INSTALLER OF THIS FANTASTIC SYSTEM.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START? WHY DON'T YOU GIVE IT WITH THE PROCESS? WITH THE PROCESS, EXPLAIN THE PROCESS IN FIVE MINUTES.
WELL, THE PRO WE'LL START WITH THE ELECTRICITY THAT YOU ASKED.
'CAUSE THE ELECTRICITY, THE GAS, THE COOLING, HEATING CARBON DIOXIDE.
ALRIGHT, SO COGEN, EVERYTHING.
I COULDN'T ANSWER WHAT YOU GOTTA ANSWER NOW.
SO COGEN, I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS KNOW ALREADY, RIGHT? IS BASICALLY A PROCESS WHICH USES AN INDUSTRIAL ENGINE.
BASICALLY A, A VERY HIGHLY EFFICIENT INDUSTRIAL ENGINES THAT'S DESIGNED TO PRODUCE POWER.
AND LIKE THE UTILITY POWERS PRODUCED THAT WE ALL SEE TODAY.
UM, MOST POWER STATIONS GENERATE POWER USING A FUEL.
UM, AND THEN THEY THROW AWAY THE HEAT.
THAT'S A BYPRODUCT OF GENERATING THE ELECTRICITY.
WHAT MY COMPANY DOES IS WE BUILD THESE PACKAGES IN VARIOUS SIZES BASED ON THE CUSTOMER'S LOAD AND THE HEAT THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE DISSIPATED WITHIN THE PACKAGE, WHICH ARE THE GREEN BOXES.
IT'S A FULLY FUNCTIONAL UL CERTIFIED E P A CERTIFIED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
UM, WE RECOVER THAT HEAT AND BY RECOVERING THAT HEAT, WE RECOVER THE HEAT FROM JUST LIKE YOUR CAR DOES, FROM FROM THE, THE EXHAUST, WHICH IS HOW YOU GET HEAT INSIDE THE CALF IN THE HEATER THROUGH A HEAT EXCHANGER.
IT'S A BIGGER VERSION OF THE SAME THING.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER PIECES OF HEAT.
ONE'S CALLED THE JACKET WATER, WHICH IS IN YOUR CAR.
THE COOLING CIRCUIT IS A BIGGER VERSION.
WE TAKE THAT HEAT AND THEN IF THE UNIT HAS A TURBOCHARGER, WE TAKE THAT HEAT TOO.
UM, WE COMBINE THAT HEAT TOGETHER, WE CREATE HOT WATER.
WE CAN SOMETIMES CREATE STEAM IF A CUSTOMER NEEDS STEAM.
IN COCA-COLA'S, THEY TYPICALLY BUY POWER FROM THE GRID.
NOW THEY USE BOILERS TO GENERATE, UM, HEAT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE CHILLERS THAT CREATE, UH, COOLING, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE PROCESS FROM THEM, FROM THE SYRUP TO A FINISHED PRODUCT IS THEY MIX IT, THEY HEAT IT, THEY COOL IT, THEY HEAT IT, THEY PUT IT IN A BOTTLE, AND THEN THEY ADD THE, ADD THE FIZZ.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CREATING ELECTRICITY, HEAT, AND THEN WE HAVE A PROCESS WHICH IS CALLED A, AN ABSORPTION CHILLER, A B S O R P T I O N, WHICH IS BASICALLY A LITHIUM BROMIDE, A SALT BASED CHILLER AS OPPOSED TO AN ELECTRIC CHILLER THAT DOESN'T USE ANY ELECTRICITY.
UM, IT BASICALLY TAKES HEAT AND THROUGH A PROCESS BY, UM, CONVERTING THAT HEAT INTO, INTO COOLING, WE MAKE CHILLED WATER INSTEAD OF USING ELECTRICITY.
AND THEN THE LAST THING WE DO, AS WITH ANYTHING THAT COMBUSTS ANYTHING AT ALL, YOUR CAR, A BOILER, ANYTHING THAT, BUT COMBUST IS ALWAYS SOME TYPE OF EMISSIONS.
IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE COCA-COLA PURCHASED C O TWO RIGHT NOW FROM SUPPLIES THAT THEY TRUCK IN ON THE ROAD, IT'S ABOUT 200 PLUS DELIVERIES A YEAR.
THEY BRING IN LET'S, IT'S A LOT, QUITE A LOT.
THEY'LL START NOW GO TO BASICALLY MAKING THEIR OWN C O TWO THROUGH OUR SYSTEM, WHICH WILL BASICALLY TAKE THE EXHAUST, IT WILL SCRUB 99.9% OF THE EMISSIONS OUT.
UM, IT WILL TAKE ALL THE NITROUS OXIDES OUT.
AND THEN THE BIGGEST PART OF THE EXHAUST IS THE C O TWO.
AND THOSE TWO TOOLS HOUSE, THEY BASICALLY, UM, THEY HAVE A, A WASHING SYSTEM INSIDE THERE, WHICH IS BASICALLY AN AMINE SCRUBBING SYSTEM.
AND IT, WITHOUT GETTING TOO TECHNICAL, IT, IT SCRUBS THE C O TWO, IT PUTS IT THROUGH A BIG CARBON BED.
THE, UM, AMINE IS THEN REGENERATED.
AND SO IT GOES THROUGH A COUPLE OF PASSES AND IT GETS UP TO 99.9997% PURITY, WHICH MEETS THE I S B T STANDARDS FOR C O TWO, WHICH IS THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE STANDARDS.
AND THEN THE HIGHER STANDARD, WHICH THIS SYSTEM IS QUALIFIED FOR IS COCA-COLA STANDARDS.
WHAT WERE YOU TALKED ABOUT? UM, A LIKE IN SOMETHING, A MOTOR AT THE BEGINNING, WHAT'S DRIVING THE MOTOR? WHAT KIND OF FUEL? NATURAL GAS.
THE ENGINES ARE CAPABLE OF RUNNING OFF ANY GA GAS FUEL.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THEY, IT, THE PLAN AT THE MOMENT IS NATURAL GAS.
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THINGS IN TERMS OF, OKAY.UH, THE SCRUBBER FOR THE CARBON DI UH, THE SCRUBBER FOR THE C O TWO, THAT'S MAINLY CHAR UH, CARBON SCRUBBERS? NO, IT'S UH, IT'S ACTUALLY AN M E A SOLVENT.
AND THEN THE SECOND STAGE OF IT IS THE, THE, THE SECOND BIG SCRUBBER, UM, THAT HAS CARBON IN IT.
AND THE C O TWO GETS EMBEDDED INTO, WITH THE AMINE AND IT GETS EMBEDDED INTO THE CARBON.
THE AMINE DROPS OUT, IT GETS RECYCLED, AND THEN WE PROCESS THE, UM, C O TWO SCRUB OUT.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AMINE? YOU, YOU RECYCLED IT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, UH, WE TOUCHED UPON IT BEFORE WE TALK, BUT COULD YOU GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN IN TERMS OF HOW YOU GET THE CHILLING? YOU SAY YOU GET IT, IT'S A, UH, WHAT'S THAT REACTION? IT'S A BRO.
SO I GUESS, AND IT'S, IT IS A DESSICANT, RIGHT? IF EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A DESICCATE IS.
SO BASICALLY, UM, IT TAKES THE HEAT, IT'S A SALT.
SO SALT, CRI SALT CRYSTALS, IN ESSENCE, THE HEAT, UM, WARMS UP THE CRYSTALS.
UM, WE PASS WATER THROUGH IT, AND THEN AS THE SALT EVAPORATES, IT CHILLS IT DOWN.
IT BRINGS THE TEMPERATURE OF THE HOT, THE HOT WATER DOWN TO A CHILLED WATER TEMPERATURE, THE SAME AS WHAT ELECTRIC CHILLER WOULD DO.
AND THEN IN THE REGENERATION OF THE SALT, WE HAVE A COOLING TOWER, WHICH IS THE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE RIGHT, WHICH LIKE YOU HAVE WITH ANY CHILL, ANY CHILLER, SO THAT IT HEATS UP THE OTHER SECOND SIDE OF THE CHILLER.
AND SO TO MAINTAIN THE SALT SO IT CAN KEEP DOING ITS PROCESS, WE HAVE A COOLING WATER LOOP, WHICH BASICALLY DISSIPATES THE HEAT AS WITH ANY CHILLING SYSTEM.
YOU HAD SOMETHING, DID YOU? NO.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRODUCING, UM, ELECTRICITY HERE.
IS IT GOING TO BE PRODUCING ENOUGH ELECTRICITY FOR THE ENTIRE PLANT? FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE AT COCA-COLA FOR THE BOTTLING AS WELL AS FOR THE C O TWO PRODUCTION? THE OVERALL SYSTEM WILL PRODUCE AROUND 80 TO 85% OF THE ELECTRIC THERMAL AND COOLING FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, FROM A C O TWO STANDPOINT, WE'RE PRODUCING ABOUT 85 TO 90% OF YOUR TOTAL C O TWO REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA CONTRIBUTE BETWEEN 80 TO 90% OF THE TOTAL ENERGY CONSUMPTION BY ONE, UH, INPUT.
WHERE RIGHT NOW THEY GET ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT INPUTS TO GET THE SORT THE SAME, ANY PRODUCT.
SO YOU'LL STILL NEED SOME, SOME ELECTRICITY FROM KIND OF, OR SOME THAT YEAH.
I'M JUST FROM A, FROM A, TRYING TO, FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU PUT CO-GENERATION IN, AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE UTILITY MM-HMM.
SO WHEN YOU SIZE THESE SYSTEMS, YOU SIZE 'EM SO THAT THE CUSTOMER CAN USE ALL OF THEIR ENERGY.
THAT'S HOW YOU MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU'LL SIZE IT TO MEET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE LOAD.
WE, IN COUNTRIES WE WORK IN, LIKE NIGERIA AND PLACES LIKE THAT, WHERE THE GRID IS REALLY UNSTABLE, WE ALWAYS OVERSIZE THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE UTILITY'S SO UNSTABLE IF THEY RELY ON OUR SYSTEM.
BUT IT'S MORE RELIABLE THAN WHAT THE GRID LIKE.
SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO SUPPLEMENT IT BY DOING SOMETHING ADDITIONALLY LIKE SOLAR OR SOMETHING? PLUG? WELL, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A STAGE TWO, BUT I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
WELL I'M JUST
I MEAN IDEAS AND A LOT, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS IN AMERICA DON'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF AN EFFICIENT SYSTEM.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE, WE'VE DONE THE ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD.
JUST A QUESTION THAT FOLLOWING UP WITH, IS IT POSSIBLE, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT ASKING TO DO IT TONIGHT, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT SOLAR ON THE BUILDING TO, TO MAKE TO NET ZERO? TO, TO GET IT NET ZERO.
NO, I'M BUILDING ON YOUR IDEA.
SO IT IS, BUT IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE THING WITH SOLAR IN NEW YORK, IF YOU KNOW HOW SOLAR WORKS, UM, YOU NEED BATTERIES TOO.
BUT FOR A CUSTOMER BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROGRAM'S SET UP WITH CONED AND OH, GOOD.
WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN DO COMMUNITY SOLAR IN NEW YORK.
WHICH MEANS FOR A CUSTOMER LIKE LIBERTY THAT I'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER BUILDINGS, IF YOU HAVE A SITE THAT YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF SOLAR ON, WHICH THIS IS, THIS IS A SITE LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN A SEPARATE METER AND OVERDUE SOLAR AT THIS LOCATION.
AS LONG AS THE BILL PAIR FOR ALL THEIR OTHER BUILDINGS IS
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THE SAME.THEY CAN OFF, THEY CAN DO VIRTUAL NET METER IN, THEY CAN OFFSET THE SOLAR.
BUT IT'S A VERY LONG, IT'S A VERY LONG PROCESS.
BUT IT, IT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE.
JUST NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE US AND I'M DOING, I'M LOOKING AT DOING THESE IN QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES.
'CAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO TRY AND REPLICATE WHAT LIBERT IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
UM, THE US IS HAVING BIG SHORTAGES IN C O TWO IN ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY, AND PARTICULARLY BEVERAGE GRADE C O TWO.
SO FOR A CUSTOMER THAT NEEDS C O TWO, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO OR THREE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
ONE, IT'S STABILIZING YOUR COSTS.
NUMBER TWO, GETTING THE AMOUNT OF C O TWO YOU NEED TO SERVICE YOUR CUSTOMERS.
AND THREE, HOW CAN YOU RUN A BUSINESS WHEN YOU DUNNO WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE GONNA BE OR WHETHER YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH C O TWO.
SO LI LIBERTY HAVE KIND OF TAKEN THE LEADING EDGE STEP AS IN TO LOOKING AFTER THEIR CUSTOMERS, BUT ALSO TO MAKING A BUILDING MORE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS WITH THE GAS, WITH THE, THERE'S ALSO A NATURAL GAS SHORTAGE.
AND I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD, COULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOMING ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHICH WAS ALWAYS THE HERO OF NATURAL GAS.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONVERT THAT TURBINE TO HYDROGEN OR SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THE ROAD? YES.
OUR, OUR ENGINES ARE THE MO WE HAVE THE MOST ENGINES RUNNING ON HYDROGEN IN THE WORLD AS A COMPANY.
SO THAT SAME ENGINE CAN RUN ON HYDROGEN.
WITH ALSO IN THAT LINE, I WAS WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO SET UP, UM, ONE OR TWO, UM, PARKING SPOTS FOR, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES FOR SOME OF THE, UM, PERSONNEL THAT WORK AT COCA-COLA.
I LEAD LIBERTIES ENGINEERING GROUP.
LIBERTY IS ACTIVELY PURSUING AND REVIEWING SOLAR APPLICATIONS IN ALL OF OUR FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THE OVERALL EFFICIENCY OF THIS PROJECT.
WE PRIORITIZE THIS, UM, AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADD, UH, EV CHARGING, BUT THEY'RE PRIVATELY HELD EV CHARGING IN THE LOT RIGHT NEXT TO US.
AND WE HAVE FUTURE PLANS TO UTILIZE OUR SUGARS, OUR SUGAR WASTE TO PRODUCE BIOFUELS.
AS A, AS A FUTURE PORTION OF A, OF A SEPARATE PROJECT FOR THIS.
SO NATURAL GAS WILL NOT BE OUR END STATE.
JUST WE'RE WORKING ON DEVELOPING THAT.
SO WE DO A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE WORLD WHERE WE TAKE THAT WASTE AND WE MAKE A BIO AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU'RE GONNA GET THERE.
LESLIE? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE TOUCHED ON IT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF WASTE? NO.
WE, WE ARE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME.
NO, UH, CORRE HAS A QUESTION, I THINK TOO.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, LESLIE? YEAH, COR, GO AHEAD.
UM, MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE HEAT THAT HAS BEEN GENERATED AND THERE IS ANY PLAN FOR CAPTURING THAT HEAT TO PRODUCE MORE ENERGY, MORE POWER? YEAH.
THAT'S CALLED GENERATION WHEN YOU CAPTURE THE HEAT.
SO USING MOST OF THE HEAT THAT IS GENERATED.
YEAH, WE'RE USING ALL ALL OF IT.
WE USING ALL OF THE HEAT, CORRECT? YES.
IT IS BEING USED AS, AS WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER, UH, FOR FOR LARGELY FOR THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS.
ANY OTHER FOR ENERGY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? MM, OKAY.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE, SURE.
DON'T WANNA PROLONG IT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, JOE THOMPSON IS HERE.
IF ANYONE HAS A VISUAL QUESTION TO ME OH YEAH, I'D GO THROUGH THAT.
'CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY WAS HERE EXACTLY.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIVE, FIVE MINUTES OR SO, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THAT'S THE ONE PART OF THIS THAT I THINK IS CRITICAL FOR YOUR Z B A RECOMMENDATION IS UNDERSTANDING THE HEIGHT.
WE, AND, UM, AND AS WE SAID, FOR THE MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT HERE LAST TIME, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THIS HAD THE TOWERS AT ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET.
THEY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO 77, UH, GIVE OR TAKE A COUPLE OF INCHES FOR, UH, MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.
AND THAT WAS STATED LAST TIME.
JOSEPH THOMPSON ARCHITECT AND VISUALIZATION COMPANY.
OKAY, GUYS, FOCUS WITH MR. THOMPSON.
SO WHAT WE DID IS PERFORMED A VIEW SHED ANALYSIS AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AT NINE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS IS IDENTIFIED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH THE GOAL OF PROVIDING A LEVEL OF ASSURANCE THAT THE IMPACT, THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THESE TOWERS WOULDN'T RESULT IN A DETRIMENT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE TOWN OF GREENBURG RESIDENTS.
SO WE COMMISSIONED A DRONE SURVEYING COMPANY BASED OUTTA IRVINGTON TO VISIT THE NINE LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED TO TAKE IMAGES AT SEVERAL HEIGHTS, UH,
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PRIMARILY AT, UH, AT EYE LEVEL AT APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET ABOVE GRADE, AND THEN ALSO AT THE TOWER HEIGHT AT 77 IS REQUESTED.AND IN THAT PACKAGE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE IMPACTS WE BELIEVE ARE VERY MINIMAL, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE LANDSCAPE AND THE SURROUNDINGS.
THERE'S A A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE IN THIS AREA.
SO IT'S NOT, UH, FOREIGN TO THE, THE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
AND AS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE HEIGHTS, AS DAVID MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, FOR THE HIGH VOLTAGE TOWERS, UM, THAT RUN THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND ALSO THE WATER TOWER THAT'S IN THE DISTANCE AT 145 AND 200 FEET.
SO ANYWHERE FROM, UH, OVER, OVER TWO TO TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE SIZE OF THESE TOWERS.
UM, SO OVERALL IMPACT IS, IS PRETTY MINIMAL.
I'M HAPPY TO, TO CIRCULATE THROUGH THOSE IMAGES ONE MORE TIME IF THE BOARD WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM UP TO IT.
UM, ANYBODY WANNA SEE? DO WE NEED TO, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS, UH, SORRY, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME CHANGES TO, UH, THE TOWERS THAT WERE OUT THERE.
I, UH, BELIEVE THE STRIPPER TOWERS DECREASED BY A LITTLE BIT.
AND UH, WAS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, ONE OF THE TOWERS WAS MOVED INSIDE THE BUILDING.
UH, WAS IT COOLING CLOSE? SORRY.
THEY WERE MORE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PAD.
THEY MOVED CLOSER TO THE BUILDING.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS REFERENCE OF A STRUCTURE.
IF YOU GOTTA SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICRO TELEVISION.
IT'S SOMEWHAT MORE OF A COMPACT FOOTPRINT WITH ONE TOWER.
ON THE ENGINEERING RECORD OF THE DRAWINGS, WE SUBMITTED PICTURES.
THE CARBON RECOVERY COMPONENT OF THE PAD LAYOUT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LOCATION THERE.
PREVIOUSLY WE HAD ONE 40 FOOT, UH, NITROGEN COLLECTION TANK THAT WAS OVER BY THE EXISTING NITROGEN TANKS.
WE BROUGHT THOSE ONTO THE PAD.
SO IT ATE BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT RELATIVE TO ANYTHING ELSE.
KURT, DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WANTED TO SEE THE, UH, THE VISUAL, IF IT IS, I WAS IN THERE THOSE TIME.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE WAS, UM, LIKE A STRUCTURE TO PROTECT CERTAIN EQUIPMENT FOR THE YES.
I, AS I INDICATED EARLIER THERE ON, ON THE ILLUSTRATION, UM, NOT, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE BUILDING, WE'RE NOW SHOWING A 38 FOOT BY 35 FOOT SMALL BUILDING ON THE PAD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED, AMANDA, FROM VISHNU, IS THAT A LOT OF THESE HAVE BEEN BUILT IN WARMER CLIMATES OR CLIMATES THAT ARE NOT AS TEMPER OR AS SEASONALLY CHANGING.
SO A DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT WE'LL GET MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY AND MAXIMUM PROTECTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IF SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE INSIDE A VERY SMALL BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE ADDED A SMALL BUILDING ONTO THE PAD.
COULD YOU PLEASE JUST WALK THROUGH CLEAR.
VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH, JUST GO THROUGH THE VISUALS.
SO I'LL PULL UP THE IMAGES OF THE NINE LOCATIONS AND THEN ALSO, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE ITSELF.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST LOCATION WAS IDENTIFIED.
KURT DOESN'T, AND TOM DOESN'T, THEY'RE BOTH ON, ON ZOOM.
SO AT THE FIRST LOCATION IDENTIFIED THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE ACTUALLY OBSTRUCTS THE VIEW.
UM, THIS IS OVER BY, UH, A CONDO COMPLEX.
SO WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THE VIEW OF THE TOWERS DIDN'T AFFECT, UH, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE.
JUST ONE QUESTION, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT DO YOU HAVE LIKE A, A KEY WE DO SHOWING WHERE THE LOCATIONS ARE? YEP.
OH, IS THAT THE SECOND THING YOU HANDED OUT? YEAH.
SO HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP FOR THE NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO SURVEY.
UH, WHY, UH, WATCHILL CONDOMINIUMS? UH, NUMBER TWO IS A VANTAGE POINT FROM THE, THE NORTH COUNTY TRAILWAY.
UH, FOUR IS AN INTERSECTION OF HUNTER LANE BOULEVARD.
BUT NINE, THESE NINE LOCATIONS THAT ON MAP, THEY CAN READ, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO READ THEM.
FLIP THROUGH IT AND THEN MAKE SURE YOU SHOW THEM THE RE RIGHT.
SO IT'S REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT'S REALLY OPERABLE IS WATCH HILL.
IT'S THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL, I THINK.
AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM WATCH HILL.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE RED OUTLINE IS THE FACILITY IN THE BACKGROUND.
ESSENTIALLY IT'S OBSTRUCTED BY THE LANDSCAPE BY THE SIDE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS WILL ACTUALLY SEE.
THEY, THEY'LL HAVE EVEN MORE OBSTRUCTION.
SO FROM GROUND LEVEL AT ALL NINE LOCATIONS, THE TOWER'S NOT VISIBLE.
SO THE, THE EVALUATION AT 77 FEET IS NOT A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE THAT ANYONE WOULD EVER PROCEED EITHER.
BUT IT GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE IMPACT OF THE LANDSCAPE ITSELF.
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VIEW FROM THE, THE TRAILWAY.IT'S BARELY VISIBLE IN THE DISTANCE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT RED CIRCLE, THE POWER LINE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS A VIEW THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY FROM THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE TOWERS.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IN COMPARISON TO, LET'S SAY THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES ON THE UPPER LEFT OF THE SCREEN, UH, THE, THE TOWERS ARE, ARE MINIMAL IN COMPARISON.
UH, ANOTHER VIEW FURTHER OUT, UH, EAST, UH, LOOKING BACK AT THE TOWERS, AGAIN, THE TOWERS ARE VISIBLE AT THIS HEIGHT, BUT AGAIN, COMPARABLE TO THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES THAT ARE ALREADY PART OF THE LANDSCAPE.
UH, LOCATION SIX IS ACTUALLY OBSTRUCTED BY, UM, VEGETATION EVEN IN THE WINTER WHEN THE LEAVES ARE DOWN.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED RED, BUT IT'S NOT TRULY VISIBLE.
UH, LOCATION SEVEN AGAIN, UM, BARELY VISIBLE.
AND THESE ARE AGAIN, AS COMP SAID AT HEIGHTS THAT ARE NOT HUMAN.
SO, AND THIS IS A VIEW OF THE EQUIPMENT AT THE PROJECT SITE AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE YOU'D BE ENTERING INTO, INTO COCA-COLA FACILITY AT AGAIN VISIBLE.
YOU DECIDED TO PAINT, YOU DECIDED TO PAINT HIM WHITE, RIGHT? IS THAT, WAS THAT YES.
THE TWO TOWERS ORIGINALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE WHITE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE CO ORIGINALLY COCA-COLA BRANDED IN THERE NO LONGER.
GENTLEMAN BEHIND YOU IS NOT, NOT SMILING ABOUT THAT.
DIDN'T OFFER THE SAME BRANDING.
WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER AFFIRMATIVELY TO PRESENT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT, UH, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE ON.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS THE BOARD.
WE WILL HOPEFULLY SEE YOU ON THE FIRST OF THE 15TH.
THE FIRST, AS LONG AS THE FIRE WE GET, WE GET THE REPORT FROM THE FIRE.
ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED FROM US TO HELP MATT FACILITATE WITH FIRE, JUST LET US KNOW.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I ALSO LIKE THE RESPONSIVENESS FROM EVERYBODY.
THE RESPONSIVENESS WAS EXCELLENT.
DO WE REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU TWICE? SO TWO MORE TIMES? YEAH, TWO MORE TIMES.
I'M DOUBLING EVERYBODY'S SALARY.
IF YOU HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS THIS TIME.
I'D LIKE WE GRAB WATER FOR, OKAY.
WE HAVE A COUPLE MINUTE BREAK.
I'M THINKING 45 MINUTES FROM FOR MAC.
THAT'S, IF YOU'LL GIVE US THAT, THAT'S, WE CAN COVER A LOT OF GROUND.
WE DON'T, I, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THE BOARD DOES HAVE COMMENTS.
AND THEY GOT HIS AND THIS CAC C POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
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TOMMY DELREY TOM.HE, DOES HE YEAH, HE'S GONNA, HE, HE'S DOWN IN FLORIDA.
TOM, TOM, YOU AND I'LL DO THE NEXT MEETING TOGETHER IN DELREY.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE OUT MY ADDRESS? I, OH MY GOSH.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GO THAT FAR.
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE TO GIVE OUT YOURS
I WAS LIKE, I, TOM AND I RIGHT NEAR EACH OTHER.
LET ME, LET ME ANNOUNCE IT FIRST PLEASE.
CASE PV 2220 ELMWOOD PRESERVE AT EIGHT 50 SARY ROAD.
WHITE PLAINS FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT BEFORE AND WE HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH THEY DECIDED, UH, TO GO A DIFFERENT WAY AND TO DO SINGLE HOUSES RATHER THAN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS TOWN HOMES.
THAT'S WATER OVER THE DAM, AS THEY SAY.
SO WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THE PROJECT THAT'S THERE AND LOOK AT IT FROM THE PROJECT.
THE WAY WE WOULD LOOK AT ANY, ANY, UH, SUBDIVISION IN TERMS OF THE MERITS OF IT, THE LAYOUT OF IT, OR THE THINGS WE LIKE, OR THE THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THINGS LIKE DRAINAGE AND LANDSCAPING.
SO WITH THAT, UH, DAVID, I'LL LET YOU, UH, GREAT.
INTRODUCE THE PROJECT VERY BRIEFLY.
DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF Z AND STEINMETZ HERE THIS EVENING, REPRESENTING RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE ELMWOOD PRESERVE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY BRETT OWINGS FROM RIDGEWOOD, UH, AS WELL AS BY JAMES CARAS FROM J M C ENGINEERING AND PLANNING, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FOR A 113 LOT CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, OR CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION.
WHAT WE REALLY WERE HOPING TO DO TONIGHT IS FOCUS ON GRADING ON STORM WATER, ON THE LAYOUT OF OUR ROADS AND LOTS BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD THIS EVENING AND MOVE TOWARDS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PRELIMINARY PLATT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE APPEARED IN FRONT OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL LAST WEEK.
UH, WE WERE PLEASED THAT WE GOT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE C A C, UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO OUR, UH, PROJECT AND OUR WETLANDS AND OUR WETLAND SETBACKS.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION, UH, RELATIVE TO OUR FINALIZING OUR LANDSCAPING.
JAMES CARIS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHERE WE ARE ON OUR GRADING, ON OUR, ON OUR STORM WATER, UH, AND WHERE WE ARE WITH REGARD TO THE LANDSCAPE, UH, ASPECTS OF, OF THE PROJECT.
BRETT OWINGS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
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FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS, I THINK IT'S FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE, THE REZONING IS BEHIND US.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A FINDING STATEMENT UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SECRET IS CONCLUDED.
SO WE ARE REALLY THIS EVENING ON WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE FINAL PLANNING DETAILS OF THIS PROJECT.
ROADS GRADING, STORMWATER LAYOUT.
AND WITH THAT, JAMES, I GET A QUESTION.
DIDN'T THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THIS PLAN? MERRILL, THEY, THEY APPROVE.
THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME BECAUSE IT'S OVER FIVE ACRES, OBVIOUSLY.
WELL, THAT THEY, THE SITE THEY HAVE NOW, THEY HAVE JURISDICTION ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO WE HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, WE STILL HAVE SUB JURISDICTION ON SUBDIVISION.
THEY HAD JURISDICTION OVER THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO FLOAT THE CD OVERLAY DISTRICT ONTO THE SITE, WHICH ENABLES THEM TO GET THE, UM, THE SMALLER LOT SIZE FOR THE 113 HOMES AND HAVE A LESSER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAN IF THEY HAD TO DO FULL SIZE SUBDIVISION LOTS.
MICHAEL, I'M GONNA REFINE MATT'S ANSWER FROM MY PERSPECTIVE 'CAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
BUT HERE'S MY ANSWER TO YOU IS YOU, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
YOU HAVE VERY LIMITED JURISDICTION, WHICH IS 'CAUSE THE TOWN BOARD DID NOT FOCUS ON THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE ROADS, THE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL CURVATURE OF THE ROADS, THE EXACT GEOMETRIC DESIGN AND LOCATION OF EACH OF THE LOT LINES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT, IS THE LOTS, THE ROADS WHERE THE STORMWATER BASINS ARE.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THERE, THERE IS NO ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT THE TOWN BOARD DID FOR YOU.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO BE GUIDED BY, BY THE SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND WHICH, WHICH DID ANTICIPATE THE SUBDIVISION AS, AS IT SHOULD.
THAT'S, THAT'S, SORRY BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECT, THAT'S WHERE, I MEAN I, I THOUGHT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE SITE PLAN.
I THOUGHT A SITE PLAN THEY DID INVOLVES WHERE THE ROADS GO AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF, WHICH WE NO, THE SUBDIVISION DOES.
THE SUBDIVISION DOES WHEN YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS A SITE PLAN, BUT THE TOWN BOARD PROJECTED THAT AND A, IT WAS A PUD.
AND THEY WANTED THE, UM, THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, HENCE THEM HERE BEFORE US TODAY.
I'M SURE EVERYONE IS, UH, WELL FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
HAPPY TO GO INTO, UH, DETAIL ON ANY OF THE ASPECTS.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT TONIGHT.
UH, OVERVIEW ON ANYTHING YOU WANT.
WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE, THERE ARE THREE ISSUES THAT I, I AND I I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE IF THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES.
O OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.
ONE ACTUALLY STARTED WITH MICHAEL AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING CAN DO ABOUT IT.
A LONG TIME AGO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LOST IN THIS PLANT, UNFORTUNATELY, IS THAT COMMUNITY AREA THAT WE HAD IN, IN THE, IN THE TOWNHOUSE, WHICH IS A LITTLE SAD.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO CHANGE THAT AT THIS POINT.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
WE DID INCORPORATE A COMMUNITY PAVILION IN ONE OF A, LIKE A CENTRAL FOCAL AREA OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS PART OF THE PLANS.
HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO, TO OFFER THAT.
STILL BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE ANSWER, LEMME GIVE YOU THE OTHER TWO.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE.
WE SAW, I SAW THE C H C, I'VE HEARD COMMENTS THAT FROM SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WE DISCUSS THAT AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LANDSCAPING PLANT.
IT'S A LARGE GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE, UH, LOOKING AT.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER ONE OTHER ONE THAT WE, I'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER GET THERE, IS ALTERNATE ENERGY.
'CAUSE I'M STILL VERY DIS I CAN TELL YOU, I WANNA GO ON RECORD
WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING REALLY GREAT IN ALTERNATE ENERGY AND WE DIDN'T.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING.
I'M NOT GONNA SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT, BUT I'M GONNA GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? SERIES THE QUESTIONS.
UH, UH, WE CAN HAVE A, UH, WILL THAT HAVE A H O A? YES, THERE WILL BE AN H O A.
UH, ON THE, ACCORDING TO THE LETTER FROM CON ED THAT THERE IS, UH, ALL ALONG WITH PREVIOUS DESIGNS, AT LEAST IT WAS INDICATED THAT PEOPLE, RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK ACROSS INTO THE PARK.
NOW, THE LETTER FROM CON ED SAID THAT THAT EASEMENT ONLY APPLIED TO A GOLF COURSE.
NOW THAT THIS IS NOT A GOLF COURSE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT RESIDENTS FROM PARK RIGHT, TO CLARIFY, GO TO THE PARK.
HOW WOULD THEY GET INTO THE PARK? YOU'RE CORRECT, BUT FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY.
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LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOLF COURSE AND CONED, WHICH EXPIRED WHEN THE PROPERTY TRANSFERRED.OWNERSHIP CEASED TO BE A GOLF COURSE.
THERE, THERE JUST, JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THIS IS CONFUSING AND IT'S ANTITHETICAL TO WHAT EVERYBODY ASSUMES.
THIS IS NOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE CON ED HAD AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE COUNTRY CLUB.
SIMPLE ABSOLUTE SLICING RIGHT THROUGH THAT.
SO, SO THE COUNTRY CLUB HAD A LEASE FOR ITS UTILIZATION UNDERNEATH THE CON ED HIGH TENSION WIRES.
SO THAT PROPERTY IS CON ED'S WALTER, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND IT'S OUR EXPECTATION THAT WE WILL ULTIMATELY BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING TO ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC.
BUT ANY HELP THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CAN GIVE MY CLIENT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, IT'S CONED NOT US THAT WE, NO, I'M NOT BLAMING, I'M NOT, THIS IS NOT THE, OKAY.
I'M SAYING AS PART OF THE PLAN RESIDENTS HAD ACCESS TO THE PARK AS IT IS DESIGNED NOW, THERE'S NO ACCESS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT POINT.
SO CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS, WE ARE PROVIDING A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF EVERY INTERNAL ROADWAY ON THE PROJECT DOWN TO DOBBS FERRY ROAD THAT CONTINUES THEN EAST AND WEST ALONG THE PROJECT FRONTAGE.
IT'S DOES CONNECT, BUT IT'S NOT A, I JUST WANNA MAKE MY POINT CLEAR.
THERE'S NO DIRECT ROUTE FROM, IT WAS A GO.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ALONG THE BACK END THAT, UH, YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY ROAD THAT GOES INTO THE ADJACENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO PEOPLE COULD WALK, UH, THE EMERGENCY GATE WOULD NOT ALLOW A VEHICLE, BUT PEOPLE COULD WALK AND THEY COULD WALK INTO THE PARK.
RESIDENTS COULD WALK INTO THE PARK.
THE EMERGENCY AS IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT A POINT THAT AS IT IS DESIGNED TODAY, THAT ACCESS IS NOT THERE.
LEMME JUST BUILD OFF THAT FOR ONE SECOND.
WHY IT, I'M JUST GONNA THROW OUT THIS AS A SUGGESTION.
WHY COULDN'T WE MAKE IT A CONDITION, NOT A CONDITION OF A, A, FOR AT LEAST A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO GET TO GAIN DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PARK.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T AGREE TO GIVE EVEN AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE CAN'T AGREE TO GO OVER SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND.
I SAID A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS.
AND IF THEY SAY NO, THEY SAY NO.
WE WE'RE MAKING EFFORT, BUT THE TOWN, BUT THE TOWN IS GOING TO HAVE BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THAT ACCESS THAN, THAN WE ARE AS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
AND WHY DOESN'T THE TOWN ASK? SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I MADE THE SUGGESTION.
WE'LL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'LL DO PUT IT IN FINDING, WE'LL PUT IT IN AS A FINDING, FINDING TO, TO, TO ASK OUR PARKS AND REC TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
AND GAIN ACCESS FROM EAST BROOK PARK BACK INSTEAD OF GOING BACK THIS WAY.
WE WOULD LOVE OUR RESIDENTS, WALTER, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE PARK.
WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.
SO IF, OH, I HAVE, I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF QUESTIONS HERE.
UM, WILL STREET PARKING BE ALLOWED ON IN MR. VALLEY? THEY'RE GONNA BE PUBLIC ROADS.
SO ASK YOUR COMMISSIONER AND YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, NEXT THING IS, UM, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, GAS, UH, OVENS.
I HAVE NOT READ ENOUGH DATA TO MAKE ME FEEL IF, IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD.
I JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DATA AND HAVE YOU LOOKED AT, UH, PROVIDING A, A, UH, ELECTRIC STOVES IN THE UNIT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU DID ANY
WE HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA HAVE GAS OR ELECTRIC.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET NEW GAS CONNECTIONS AT THIS POINT.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH ELECTRIC RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET A GAS.
I THOUGHT I WAS SAY, DID YOU GET A BLOWN WE HAD APPLIED YEARS AGO, BUT I THINK SO.
SO THE HEAT WOULD BE ELECTRIC WOULD BE HEAT PUMPS.
THAT IS MOST LIKELY WHAT IT WILL HAVE TO BE.
I LIVE WITH THE HEAT PUMPS, SO, OKAY.
AND GOING BACK TO THE EXCUSE, UH, N NIGHT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC AREAS, YOU HAVE A ONE GAZEBO AND I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, BUT TO HAVE SOME SORT IF, TO MAKE EITHER MAKE THAT GAZEBO A LITTLE LARGER BECAUSE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THAT IS, IS OPEN SPACE.
SO YOU HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM ABOUT THE SIZE OF THAT.
AND IN ADDITION, LOOK AT, I, I LOOKED AT OTHER, UH, OPEN SPACES.
THERE'S SOME ON NORTH THAT, THAT WILL BE ON THE NORTH, UH, EASTERN PART.
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IT'S VERY, UH, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS VERY DEEP.WHAT ON THE OTHER, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS FLATTER THAT SO, UH, THAT, UH, MIGHT, ACCORDING TO THIS MAP ON THE EASTERN SIDE, THAT MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT ANOTHER GIVEN IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT SOME, GIVE SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY, UH, UH, FEEL.
SO IF YOU WALK AROUND, YOU MIGHT DECIDE TO WALK ALL AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THOSE AREAS, THEY MAY MAYBE PUT A BENCH HERE OR THERE SO PEOPLE ARE WALKING AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN DECIDE TO SIT DOWN AND TO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBOR.
SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THIS MORE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, FRIENDLY BY EITHER LOOKING AT GAZEBOS OR LOOKING AT CHAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, DAVID, ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE THE CONSERVATION LAND FOR THAT USE? SO THE WAY THE CODE READS IS THE LAND MUST BE PRESERVED OR ENHANCED? YEAH.
IT CAN BE USED FOR PASSIVE RECREATION.
SO PASSIVE RECREATION, IF THE, SO JONATHAN, THE, IF THE, IF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT EXPRESSLY ALLOWS FOR IT, IT COULD BE SO PERFECT.
NOW, UH, LOOKING AT, I DIDN'T GO IN ABSOLUTE DETAIL ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING, BUT LOOKING WELL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ALL IN ONE SHEET.
UH, THE DOWNSIDE FOR AN OLD GUY, IT'S HARD TO READ THE LITTLE NUMBERS
WHAT
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A NICE LAYOUT OF TREES.
I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF THOSE TREES ARE NOT THE SAME, THAT THERE'S SOME DIVERSITY.
AND IN, IN FACT, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT HAS PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH AND INCORPORATE TO ENHANCE THAT DIVERSITY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE PLANT PALLET.
SO NEXT TIME, NEXT TIME YOU'RE BEFORE US IS APPROPRIATE, BE ABLE TO SHOW US A ROBUST S LANDSCAPING THING? YES.
AND, AND, AND WHILE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS, THAT'S A DETAIL THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE RESOLVED EVEN BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATT APPROVAL.
SO, BUT I, I LOVE IT WHEN YOU COME IN WITH THE RIGHT DETAILS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THEN THE FINAL THING, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO REALLY SEE.
OKAY? GENERAL IS NOT TO DO THIS TWICE.
I'M FINISHED ISSUE WITH TREES IS EVERYBODY PUTS 'EM ON A LIST, BUT I GOTTA MAKE SURE I CAN ACTUALLY BUY 'EM.
LIKE, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT 'EM ON A PLAN DOESN'T MEAN THE LAND.
MR. ACTUALLY MR. BUT MR. SCHMIDT IS WHERE WHAT'S AVAILABLE AROUND HERE AND WHAT WORKS IN THE AREA.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT, NOT GONNA BE PRESSURE'S ON YOU, AARON.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE UNREASONABLE THAT STUFF.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY PREVIOUSLY WAS IF WE CAN RESOLVE THINGS WITH CON ED, WOULD THEY COMMIT TO ACTUALLY, UM, BUILDING THE SIDEWALK OR TRAIL TO GET ACROSS TO THE PARK
SO IF WE CAN GET IT RESOLVED, WOULD YOU COMMIT CONNECTION, JONATHAN BRETT, TO BUILDING THE ANSWER IS JONATHAN.
THE ANSWER FROM BRETT WAS YES.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR.
UM, AND TO BUILD ON WHAT WALTER WAS SAYING IS, UM, I THINK WHAT WALTER'S TALKING ABOUT IS MAYBE BUILDING LITTLE PARKLETS WHAT THE, UM, RECREATION DEPARTMENT HERE REFERS TO AS PARKLETS, UM, WITH BENCHES AND SOME LANDSCAPING AND PLACES TO SIT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MICHAEL? AMANDA.
AMANDA'S NEXT ONE HAD TO DO WITH, UH, CONED.
DID CONED EVER ACCESS THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE ORIGINALLY? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S A WAY FOR THEM TO ACCESS THEIR POWER LINES FROM THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND MAYBE THEY ENTER FROM THE PARK.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT THAT WAS DISTINGUISHED OR I BELIEVE LOOKING IN FROM THE ROAD, I BELIEVE FROM THE ROAD AND FROM THE NORTH SIDE.
I NEVER SAW THEM, AMANDA, COME INTO THE GUYS ONE, ONE CONVERSATION.
I NEVER SAW THEM COME INTO THE COUNTRY CLUB AND I WAS AT THE COUNTRY CLUB FOR SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE HE CLOSED.
UM, AARON FIRST THEN YOU MM-HMM.
I, I KNOW WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT GETS INTO THOSE AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LALA TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK TO THE BOARD.
THE, THE PATHWAY TO THE PARK, IF YOU WERE TO GET IT, WHERE IS THAT GOING INTO BROOK? INTO THE DOG PARK? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING THAT IT'S GOING WELL.
THERE'S A 14 ACRE PARCEL, LESLIE
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THAT'S BEING DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AS A RESULT OF THIS.SO IT'S GOING TO THE TOWN'S PROPERTY AND THEN THE TOWN WOULD ULTIMATELY DECIDE, GOES FROM THERE, HOW THEY RUN IT FROM THERE.
THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF LAND THAT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN AS PART OF THE RECREATIONAL, I DON'T KNOW, ACRES.
HE'S GONNA BUILD IT MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS OR WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, 15 ACRES.
UM, JAMES, WHAT CAR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO AND LET JAMES FINISH? YES, CORRECT.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S A TIMELINE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UH, UH, GO AHEAD WITH THIS PROJECT THREE YEARS AGO? MUST BE SERIOUS SOON, TOO SOON TODAY.
YOU DO KNOW IT'S COMING FROM ME.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A BREAK PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, THE, THE, THE ISSUE TOO OBVIOUSLY IS ONCE YOU GET THROUGH WEST, YOU STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH WESTCHESTER COUNTY, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE LONGEST PERIOD, THE LONGEST PERIOD OF TIME.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE HELD UP IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY RECENTLY, JUST, JUST TELLING YOU.
THREE YEARS, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THIS FIVE, YOU'VE SEEN ME FIVE YEARS AGO.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, KURT, AS SOON AS THEY HAVE APPROVAL, ALL THE APPROVALS THEY NEED, THEY'RE GONNA GET A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND.
WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK AND GO TAKE US TO THE STORM WATER ANY SURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING REALLY WITH TRAFFIC YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR CONSULTANTS.
SO WITH REGARD TO STORMWATER, UM, YOU'LL RECALL THAT THERE ARE TWO EXISTING, UH, DRAINAGE FEATURES ON THE SITE.
THERE'S THE POND THAT'S ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD, ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE.
AND THEN THERE'S AN EXISTING WATERCOURSE THAT KIND OF PARALLELS, UH, THE CONED PROPERTY AS WELL THAT FLOWS OFF SITE.
UM, NOW TAKING THOSE TWO AREAS INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAINTAINING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE DIVIDES ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EXTENT THAT IS POSSIBLE, UH, WE'VE DESIGNED SEVEN DETACHED, UH, DETENTION AND INFILTRATION BASINS THAT, UH, MAINTAIN THOSE EXISTING DRAINAGE AREAS OR DRAINAGE PATTERNS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND THIS IS GOING TO COLLECT ALL THE RUNOFF FROM EACH LOT.
IT'S GONNA COLLECT ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS.
UM, AND IT'LL BE ALL DIRECTED TOWARDS THESE DESIGNED DETENTION AND INFILTRATION BASINS THAT WILL BE SIZED, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
UH, SO THAT, SO THAT, UH, PEAK RATES AND VOLUMES, UH, WILL NOT EXCEED THOSE UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS TODAY.
THAT'S THE BASELINE WE HAVE TO MEET THAT CONDITION REQUIREMENT.
MY QUESTION IS, NO MATTER WHAT THE RUNOFF WILL THOSE LOTS BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO, TO THOSE BASINS THROUGH PIPING OR, OR HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED? SO IT DEPENDS ON THE LOT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE LOT'S ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE, THE LOT IN THE NORTHWEST HERE, UHHUH,
YEAH, THOSE WILL HAVE A SWALE AND THOSE WILL HAVE INLETS IN THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY TO COLLECT DRAINAGE BECAUSE THIS LOTS SLOPED DOWN ALL SITE.
SO WE'RE GONNA COLLECT THAT AND WE'RE GONNA CONVEY THAT NORTH TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA THAT'S, UH, ADJACENT TO THE CUL-DE-SAC IN THAT, IN THAT SPOT.
BUT AS FAR AS INDIVIDUAL HOUSES CONNECTING, LIKE THEIR ROOF DRAIN LEADERS THERE, THERE'S NO PROPOSAL FOR THAT AT THIS TIME.
I THINK THAT'S THE CAC C'S CONCERN THAT THERE'S NO CONNECTION.
WHY SHOULDN'T THERE BE SOME KIND OF CONNECTION? I'M JUST ASKING, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
WELL, WAS ANY RUNOFF THAT'S, THAT'S COLLECTED FROM THE ROOFTOPS FROM THE DRIVEWAYS WILL BE CONVEYED EITHER OVERLAND DOWN THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND COLLECTED, OR IT WILL ABSORB INTO THE LAWN INFILTRATE OR IT'LL RUN OFF INTO ANOTHER DIRECTION WHERE IT'LL BE COLLECTED.
WE CANNOT LET A DROP OF WATER LEAVE THIS PROPERTY UNACCOUNTED FOR.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED IN THIS STORMWATER DESIGN.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, IS IT? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THE LEADERS AREN'T DRAINING INTO ANYTHING EXCEPT, EXCEPT THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO AX THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRAINING INTO THE, THE LAND THAT'S THERE.
YOU HAVE NO STORM DRAINS ON ANY OF THE, ON ANY OF THE, UH, STREETS EITHER.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NO? NO, THAT IS INCORRECT.
EVERY ROADWAY HAS A DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WE'VE DESIGNED TO COLLECT, TO CONVEY ALL OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE, FROM ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES.
AND CONVEY THOSE TO THOSE SEPARATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS.
AND, AND WOULD YOU TELL YOUR, YOUR POINT OF VIEW, YOUR OPINION OF THIS? OKAY.
YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT'S IN THE STREET.
THAT'S THE WAY THE PLAN IS SET UP NOW.
AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE NEEDED.
'CAUSE, 'CAUSE THOSE, THOSE FLOWS WILL MAKE THEIR WAY THERE.
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THEY DON'T OKAY.WITHOUT, WITHOUT CAL TAX, WITHOUT ANYTHING, THE WATER TREATMENT, WATER QUALITY, INFILTRATION IS ALL BEING HANDLED FOR THE ENTIRE SITE HOLISTICALLY IN THESE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE ONE PER ONE PERSON HERE, ONE PERSON HERE, AND WE GET A BIG RAINSTORM AND YOU'RE HAVE A CULTECH.
THAT'S, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THAT KIND OF SITUATION THAN, THAN, BUT I'M NOT WORRIED YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CULTECH AS AN UNDERGROUND INFILTRATION CHAMBER.
WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE, CODE USING THESE SURFACE DETENTION AND INFILTRATION.
S 'CAUSE OF THE PER YOU'VE DONE, PER ENOUGH PER TEST ON, ON THE PROPERTY TO PROVE THAT WE'VE DONE THEM.
AND THERE'S MORE COMING TO FINALIZE THE DESIGN.
BELLA HAS SEEN ALL THIS, DON'T, THEY'VE, UH, WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED THE FINAL, UH, RESULTS OF THE INFILTRATIONS YET, BUT, AND THESE ALL HAVE
THIS IS GOING THERE ARE, THERE'S NO, THIS IS GOING JUST INTO THE LAND.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.
DO ALL THE HOUSES THAT BASEMENT DO SOME OF THEM DO, RIGHT? OH, BASEMENTS.
I THOUGHT I HEARD BASINS BASEMENTS BASEMENT.
I, I, I, TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS, IS LAWN AND HOW MUCH IS CONCRETE OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN, JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, AS YOU SAID, IS THAT IT WON'T BE ENOUGH, LET'S SAY FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES TOGETHER.
IT STARTS RAINING SOMEONE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEIR PROPERTY'S NOT TILTED THE RIGHT WAY AND IT JUST STARTS BACKING OFF.
WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE DEVELOPED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LOTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVE NEVER ONCE CONNECTED A, UH, GUTTER OR ROOF DRAIN INTO A STORM.
WELL, WE HAVE TEX AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE, GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME, IS YOU HAVE SS SWES, CULEX, RAIN GARDENS, SOMETHING TO MITIGATE TO, TO SLOW DOWN THE FLOW OF, OF, OF THE WATER.
I MEAN, IT GETS RELEASED EVENTUALLY.
BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF A CULTEC IS IF YOU HAVE A BIG RAINSTORM LIKE THAT, IT COLLECTS IT AND SLOW IT COMES OUT SLOWLY, SLOWLY RELEASES.
WELL, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A ICE ISOLATE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND, UH, AT THE WINDING RIDGE, WE HAVE TWO BIG BASINS.
ALL THE HOUSES CONNECTED ARE CONNECTED TO THOSE BASES.
THERE'S NO AX IN THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
ALL THE GUTTERS ARE CONNECTED AND RUN INTO THE TWO BASINS THERE.
AND THAT PLACE IT IN MY BASEMENT, NEVER GOT AN INTRO WATER.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, I, THE TWO HANDS UP ARE RECOGNIZE THE TWO HANDS.
AND THEN I'D LIKE MR. DEBELL THAT TO, TO GIVE HIS OPINION OUR, OUR, OUR LABEL, I'M SORRY, UH, LABEL, GIVE HIS HIS OPINION OF THIS, OUR CONSULTANT, BUT, UM, TOM FIRST AND THEN AARON, PLEASE.
MY WILL, MY CONCERN IF ALL OF THE LEADERS ARE JUST DAYLIGHTING ONTO A CONCRETE PAD IS I REALLY SEE A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES FOR WATER RUNNING THROUGH DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S YARDS FROM ONE HOUSE TO ANOTHER.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT DEALT WITH THIS KIND OF SITUATION, UM, WITHOUT IT GOING INTO A PIPE OR INTO A CULTECH.
SO I WOULD NEED MORE REASSURANCE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE WATER JUST RUNNING ACROSS DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, CREATING A LOT OF, UM, UNHAPPINESS BETWEEN DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS AND FINGER POINTING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, TAKING OUT LAWNS OR WHATEVER.
UH, AARON, I DON'T WANNA GO TO, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LET THE, UH, LABELLA ASSOCIATES RESPOND.
I'D LIKE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
MS. LUELLA, YOU, EVERYONE, UH, KYLE AHERN WITH LABELLA.
UM, SO, UM, SO A FEW THINGS TO, UH, KIND OF BREAK, BREAK OFF HERE.
SO, UM, FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SOIL TESTING THAT ARE, UH, SPECIFIC TO EACH OF THE, UH, THE STORMWATER BASINS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN DEPTHS THAT NEED TO BE, UH, TESTED AT, UM, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TESTS PER BASIN, YOU KNOW, AND ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
AND THEN THEY WILL BE UPDATING THEIR SWIP, UM, THEIR CALCULATIONS, THEIR, UM, HYDRAULIC MODELING TO SHOW ALL THEIR PEAK RATES AND THEIR DISCHARGE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE BASINS AT WHAT'S CALLED THE END OF PIPE TREATMENT, UH, VERSUS THE ON ON SITE TREATMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, A ASSUMING EITHER VERSION, EITHER OPTION IS, IS DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IN EITHER EVENT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE DOING AND WE'D BE REVIEWING AS WELL.
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IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, HALF DOZEN AND ONE SIX IN THE OTHER.YOU HAVE EITHER ONSITE TREATMENT, WHICH HAS CERTAIN BENEFITS YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, TREATING IT RIGHT AT THE SOURCE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONVEYANCE AS MUCH.
UM, YOU DO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU DO WITH THE OVERFLOW AFTER THAT UNIT.
UM, OR YOU CAN GO WITH THE END OF PIPE OPTION WHERE YOU HAVE ONE LARGER BASIN FOR MULTIPLE LOTS, HAS ITS OWN BENEFITS.
UM, FROM AN H O A STANDPOINT, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO MAINTAIN THOSE, UM, PRACTICES.
UM, FROM A A INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER STANDPOINT, YOU DON'T HAVE 113 INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN SYSTEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL FUNCTIONING AS DESIGNED AND AS INTENDED.
UM, THE ROOF LEADERS THEMSELVES, UM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE KEEPING THEM AWAY FROM THE FOUNDATION AND YOU ARE, ALL OF YOUR OVERLAND FLOW IS YOUR DRAINAGE AND GRADING IS ALL PROPERLY DESIGNED AND, AND FUNCTIONING AND MAINTAINED, UM, SPECIFICALLY WITH VEGETATION OR ANY CHANGES TO YOUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AND CHANGE YOUR BACKGROUND, INSTALL A PATIO OR A POOL, WHATEVER YOU, WHEREVER YOU MIGHT DO, UM, AS LONG AS THAT IS ALL PROPERLY DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN'T DRAIN OUT TO THE STREET.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NEED TO PROPERLY SIZE YOUR CONVEYANCE SYSTEM AND THEN, UM, GET TO YOUR, YOUR TREATMENT.
AND POTENTIALLY, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT THERE IS A CONVEYANCE SYSTEM.
I HEARD THIS IS COMING DOWN, OFF, OFF THE LEADERS, SO RIGHT, SO EACH, THE GROUND, EACH SLIDE, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO THE GRADING PLAN KIND OF TELLS THAT STORY EACH LOT.
YOU KNOW, EACH LOT IS DIFFERENT, BUT EACH LOT DRAINS OUT TO, UH, THE NEARBY ROADWAY, UM, IN FRONT OF IT OR TO A DRAINAGE ON THE BACK IS, IS THE MOST COMMON WAY.
UM, BUT THERE IS, THE COMMAND SYSTEM IS WITHIN ALL OF THE ROADS.
UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE, THE GRADING, UM, DETERMINES WHICH TREATMENT PRACTICE IT GOES TO, UH, MANAGEMENT PRACTICE IT GOES TO.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON SOME OF THAT OVERLAND FLOW.
SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE REVISING THEIR GRADING PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME AREAS BETWEEN HOUSES OR BEHIND HOUSES WHERE WE WANNA LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE CLOSER, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUFFICIENT SLOPE IN THOSE SWALES.
UM, OR IF THEY NEED TO DROP IN A STRUCTURE TO CAPTURE THAT BEFORE IT, YOU KNOW, DRAINS OVER A DRIVEWAY, THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE EROSION PROBLEMS OR EVEN AREAS WHERE IT'S PONDING UP.
THAT'S THE OTHER, THAT'S THE OTHER PROBLEM.
IF YOU'RE DEPENDING ON THE CONTOUR OF THE LAND TO HAVE PROPERTY DIRECTING THE WATER INTO THE STREET, GIVEN THE KINDS OF RAINSTORMS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE, THESE ARE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHAT YOU GUARANTEE THAT CONTOUR IS GOING TO, GOING TO EASILY BE MAINTAINED OVER THE YEARS AND, AND NOT CHANGE? WELL, I THINK THAT'S, GO AHEAD.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S IN LARGE PART ADDRESSED BY THE SEDIMENT AND EROSION CONTROL MEASURES THAT HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE FOR EACH PHASE OF THIS PROJECT AND, AND UPON STABILIZATION OF THE FINAL PRODUCT THAT THOSE NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? IF SO, AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, SOMEONE'S GONNA COME IN FOR A POOL, WHAT DO WE DO THEN? SO CHANGES THE CONT OF THE WIND, MAYBE KYLE, KYLE.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION, CARL.
I'M, I I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS CLARIFY FOR YOUR CLIENT, FOR THE BOARD EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO ULTIMATELY SIGN OFF ON BEFORE MY CLIENT GETS FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE GONNA SIGN OFF ON JAMES AND JM C'S GRADING THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, THE GRADING OF THESE ROADS, THE PITCH AND GRADING OF THE LOTS, AND ANSWERING THE LAST QUESTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS NO ONE CAN BUILD A POOL IN THIS TOWN WITHOUT GOING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE NOT CREATING A DESTABILIZED SITUATION WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE.
WHETHER THAT MEANS A COLEX HAS TO BE INSTALLED IN THEIR BACKYARD, LIKE I HAD TO DO WHEN I PUT A POOL IN BECAUSE MY LOCAL GOVERNMENT MADE ME PUT IN COAL TECHS, EVEN THOUGH I HAD SHEET DRAINAGE EVERYWHERE ELSE ON MY LOT BECAUSE I WAS ADDING IMPERMEABLE SURFACE AREA.
AND YOU HEARD KYLE SAY IT EARLIER, IF YOU'RE ADDING PATIOS OR POOLS OR CHANGING SOMETHING, THEN YOU HAVE TO REVISIT THE DRAINAGE.
SO, KYLE, IF IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING I'VE SAID, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, HAVING WORKED WITH, WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR FIRM AS BOTH A PRIVATE AND MUNICIPAL CONSULTANT LABEL WILL BE SIGNING OFF ON ALL OF THIS MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND SO DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING, WHAT I, I, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN BEEP THIS ANY FURTHER TONIGHT.
WHAT I THINK IS THIS IS A WORK, WORK IN PROGRESS THAT, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE, HAVE US HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONCEPT OF WHAT THE ULTIMATE DRAINAGE PLAN IS.
BECAUSE YOU, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, JIM, AND WHAT, UH, KYLE JUST SAID IS WE'RE
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LOOKING, YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT LOT BY LOT, BASICALLY.AND THAT, THAT WAS CORRECT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING THE GRADING AND THE DRAINAGE.
UM, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THE APPROVED PLAN WILL INCLUDE DRAINAGE OVER LAND TO THE, TO THE STREET FROM EACH OF THESE LOTS.
AND, AND IF SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE WANTS TO CHANGE THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS TO, UM, TO, BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT, YOU, THERE MAY BE A, YOU MAY FIND A SITUATION IN THIS CURRENT CONFIGURATION WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND THERE WILL BE, THERE'LL BE DECKS, THERE'LL BE POOLS, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE, IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES FOR CHRIST SAKES.
SO, UH, BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT, AND THE, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PROPOSED BUILT SITUATION, THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS THAT YOU ENCOUNTER ON, YOU KNOW, 180 5 AND 86 WHERE YOU MAY NEED TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND, AND THEN IT WILL COME DOWN TO, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE ADJACENT PARCEL IS ALREADY SOLD TO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, A THIRD PARTY, THEN THAT WILL RESTRICT CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO.
IF IT'S STILL OWNED BY THE BUILDER, THERE'S MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE.
BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE APPROVED DRAINAGE DESIGN AND THEN LOOK AT THE FIELD, CHANGE WHAT YOU WANNA DO, AND MAKE SURE IT'S STILL CONSISTENT, STILL WORKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAKE, MAKE IT WORK THAT WAY.
EITHER, EITHER REGRADING IT OR PROVIDING A COLD TECH IF YOU NEED TO IN CERTAIN CASES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MAY BE AT THAT, AT THAT STAGE.
OKAY, WALTER? YEAH, LAST TIME I WANNA MOVE ON.
THE ASSUMPTION HERE IS THAT ALL CHANGES IN THE, UH, ON THE PRO ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE CHANGES THAT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND AT THAT TIME, AT THAT TIME, YOU COULD MAKE THE DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED A COL.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE, UH, LANDSCAPING DECISIONS TAKE PLACE ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUILDER PERMIT.
WHAT IF YOU DECIDE TO PLANT A VEGETABLE GARDEN ON YOUR PROPERTY? YOU'RE CHANGING THE CONTOUR THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT COULD CHANGE, AND YOU WOULD NEVER CATCH IT WITH A BUILDING PERMIT AS INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS MAKE CHANGES.
HERE'S WHERE I'M AT, OKAY? RIGHT NOW, OKAY.
WE DO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THIS BEING A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? NOT A FINAL SUBDIVISION.
OKAY? WE CAN MAKE A FINDING IF, IF WE DO APPROVE THE, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION THAT THERE HAS TO BE A FULL LOOK RE-LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE PLAN BEFORE, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THIS IS A WAY OF NOT SLOWING YOU DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING MM-HMM.
WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ABOUT IT AND OUR CONSULTANT AND GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND PROBABLY HAVE ATON ENGINEER HERE.
UM, IT COULD BE DONE IN A PUBLIC HEARING OR CAN BE DONE AT A WORK SESSION SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
I'M JUST, I'M FLAGGING THAT THIS IS, YOU HEARD IT, THIS IS A BIG CONCERN OF BOTH THE C A C AND THIS BOARD.
THAT'S, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
CAN I EXTENT TO THE ROCK? IS THERE ANY, LIKE, IT IS A ROCKY PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS AREA WITHIN SPITTING DISTANCE AND IT'S ROCK, ROCK, ROCK.
I MEAN, WE, MY BACKYARD HAS TWO CALTECH IN IT, AND I LIVE ON A POSTAGE STAND.
I MEAN, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED, UH, WHEN, UH, WORK GETS UNDERWAY.
THERE HAS BEEN GEOTECHNICAL, UH, STUDIES DONE.
IT IDENTIFIES THE, THE SOIL PROFILES HERE.
THERE ARE INSTANCES OF ROCK ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE STEEP SLOPES OUT THERE, AND THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THERE, THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT, UH, SPEAK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, NOISE AND, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND DUST CONTROL.
UM, SO IT WILL BE PART OF THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS.
UM, REAL QUICK, WHAT, UH, AMOUNT OF BUILD OUT WILL, UH, RIDGE WOULD BE DOING BEFORE SELLING LOTS? LIKE JUST THE ROADS AND THE, UM, THE DRAINAGE BASINS.
LIKE HOW MUCH OF THIS, WHATEVER THE FINAL DESIGN WILL BE, UM, AS AN HOUR PLAN WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE LOT.
BASIC, WE PUT ALL THE ROADS IN A BIG STRUCTURE IN AND SELL, FINISH LOTS TO A BUILDER.
DOESN'T MEAN A BUILDER COULD COME ALONG AND JUST BUY IT FROM US.
IS IT YOU? YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THE HOMES, RIGHT? NOT BUILD THE HOMES, BUT POTENTIALLY BUILD THE ROADS UNLESS SOMEONE COMES IN.
DEVELOPER MAY BUILD TWO OR THREE MODELS, FOR EXAMPLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT.
I THINK, I DON'T SEE A REASON NOT TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON THIS.
UH, WHAT IS, WHAT'S EVERYBODY ELSE'S FE FEELING ON THIS DISCIPLINE PROVIDING THESE ANSWERS? I HAVE NO PROBLEM PROVIDING.
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ANSWERS TO THE DRAINAGE.WELL WE HAVEN'T APPROVED ANYTHING YET.
SO EVEN, EVEN WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, WE KEEP IT OPEN IF, IF THAT HAPPENS, AARON.
DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? I WOULD JUST LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA BE FOLLOWING UP ON.
UH, ADDITIONAL COORDINATION WITH THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT AS WELL AS OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, AS WELL AS OUR FORESTRY OFFICE DIVISION.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, UM, MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO GET THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN AND REVIEWED.
IT'S HARD TO GIVE A TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE APPLICANT'S GONNA BE TURNING THINGS AROUND QUICKLY.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN AND WE GIVE THE CONSULTANT AND THE TOWN ENGINEER AND OTHERS SOME TIME TO REVIEW IT, THEN I CAN COORDINATE DIRECTLY WITH THE CHAIR ON SCHEDULING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MY OWN, I, MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT DOING THAT, AARON, IS I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE ENGINEERING REPORT DONE SO QUICKLY.
I THINK THIS IS A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN WE THINK.
GETTING SOME INFO FROM THE PUBLIC IS SUCH A TERRIBLE IDEA.
WE CAN KEEP, WE CAN KEEP, WE CAN ALWAYS KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, SO I'M NOT SURE I I WHAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE REPORT THING.
THERE'S ANY LIMIT TO WHEN ONCE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC CARE AS WE DON'T CALL AS A LIMIT OR WHEN WE HAVE TO COME TO A DECISION OR WE, AS FAR AS WE DON'T, AS WE DON'T CLOSE IT.
SO WE TO CLOSE, WE WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE START IT? GET THE PUBLIC, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT OUT WAY FINE.
AND KEEP IT OPEN IF WE NEED TO TILL WE GET THIS, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
SO, UM, DO WE, WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE, AARON? WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE FOR MARCH 1ST OR MARCH 15TH? SO, UM, THE MARCH 1ST AGENDA IS ALREADY QUITE FULL WITH SOME OF THE CARRYOVER FROM TONIGHT.
I WOULD SUGGEST A PUBLIC HEARING MARCH 15TH.
AND THAT WILL GIVE SOME TIME TO AT LEAST HAVE ADDITIONAL COORDINATION WITH THE CONSULTANT, WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER ON A PRELIMINARY BASIS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CONSULTANT.
I'M NOT SAYING NOT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT HERE, IF POSSIBLE.
AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR ENG TOWN ENGINEER HERE.
AND IN THE INTERIM, JIM, MR. CARE, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE SPEAKING WITH HIM ABOUT THIS.
'CAUSE I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I GOTTA BE HONEST.
I'M, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW WITH THE DRAINAGE PLANT.
YOU GUYS, YOUR ENGINEERS ARE GOING ONES THAT ARE GONNA MAKE ME COMFORTABLE, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
I'M, I'M TRYING TO BE AS FAIR AS I CAN WITHOUT, WITHOUT THROWING
SO NOT TO THROW OUT A MONKEY WRENCH IN HERE, BUT, UM, I'M NOT AVAILABLE THE 15TH.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT COULD, UM, PARTICIPATE ON LABA'S SIDE AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING? AS LONG AS WE COORDINATE AHEAD OF TIME SOMEONE WHO CAN TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE IN GENERAL.
UM, I'M THE ONE THAT REVIEWED THE, THE DRAINAGE SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, BUT I CAN GET, I CAN GET SOMEBODY UP TO SPEED AS WELL.
SO IF YOU COULD YOU, IF YOU WOULD MONTH TO DO THAT.
UH, KYLE, I'M NOT GONNA, I DON'T WANT, JUST 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE ON THAT DATE.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE DELAY THAT, OKAY.
WE CAN GET YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR FEEDBACK IN WRITING, PERHAPS AHEAD OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
WE APPRECIATE IT MR. CHAIRMAN.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE HOPE WE SEE ON THE 15TH COORDINATE ON NOTICE.
TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO KEEP THIS THING GOING.
OH MY GOD, I'M DAVID'S LEAVING.
HE'S GETTING, HE'S HE'S GETTING THE, THEY'RE ALL ZOOMING.
I GUESS THEY FIGURED, THEY FIGURED I'D HAVE TO SCHLEP HERE AND BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
COME HERE, HERE ACTUALLY TO GOOD EVENING.
I REALLY DO BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF STRANGE WHEN WE HAVE TO BE HERE AND THE APPLICANTS DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT, WHEN THE, WHEN APPLICANTS SHOW UP, IT'S BETTER TO BE IN PERSON.
I REALLY, I DO THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.
UM, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
WHAT? THE EIGHT APARTMENTS? YEAH.
OKAY, SO WE LEFT ENOUGH TIME FOR THIS ONE TOO, DAVID.
I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE A PRETTY FULL SCHEDULE, BUT WE'RE DOING WELL AS YOU NORMALLY DO.
UM, CLEAR BOARD 2224 HARTVILLE HOSPITALITY, FOURTH NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE.
IT'S RECITE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN
STILL A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
WE SAW IT AND, UH, I THINK WE ALL HAD LOTS OF
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COMMENTS THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT.THIS IS A SIGNIFICANTLY REVISED PROPOSAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE, UH, YOU DAVID, TO GO THROUGH WHAT THE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT WE HAD AS CONCERNS AND, AND WHAT THE CHANGES GOT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
DAVID FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZA AND STEINMAN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT'S IN CONNECTION WITH 45 NORTH WASHINGTON STREET.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHO'S ON AVENUE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHO I THINK AVENUE FOR THE RECORD.
SAY AGAIN? AVENUE FOR THE RECORD.
I'LL TELL YOU WHO SHOULD BE ON MY CLIENT'S.
DEO HENRIQUE AND FLO SOSA SHOULD BE, UH, ON, THEY SHOULD BE SHARING ONE SCREEN.
MATT, UM, OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT, FRANK ERO, WHO, UH, WAS, UH, BEFORE YOU AT THE, UH, PRIOR SUBMISSION OR THE PRIOR PRE-SUBMISSION.
UH, DIANA GOMEZ FROM CATONE ENGINEERING AND SAM THOMPSON, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
THEY, I THINK SHOULD ALL BE ON SCREEN.
AND, UH, FRANK IS THE KEY HERE, MATT, 'CAUSE HE'S GOT A LOT TO, TO TALK ABOUT.
WE APPEARED BEFORE YOU, I THINK IT WAS IN NOVEMBER, ON NOVEMBER 2ND AT A, UH, PRE-SUBMISSION DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO A PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
UM, WE ARE ARE LOCATED IN THE M 14, UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND WE DID GET A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE SITE, THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING, HOW TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES, POSSIBLY RELOCATING THE BUILDING IN SOME FASHION.
UH, THE WALKABILITY OF THE SITE, WHICH IS, UH, APPROXIMATE TO FOUR CORNERS.
UH, THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN WOULD'VE REQUIRED SIX VARIANCES.
THE NEW DESIGN THAT FRANK WILL WALK US THROUGH IN A MOMENT HAS BEEN, UH, IMPROVED AND HAS BEEN REDUCED TO FOUR VARIANCES.
UH, WE HAD NO SURPLUS PARKING AND THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT VISITOR PARKING THAT YOU ALL HAD RAISED.
WE NOW HAVE, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, OR SURPLUS PARKING SPACES.
UH, THERE WERE, UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS, UH, RAISED BY THE ENTIRE BOARD ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ASPECTS.
UH, FRANK WILL, UH, WALK US, UH, THROUGH THAT AND UM, UH, TOGETHER BOTH OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE, UH, SOME OF THE SITE DISTURBANCE.
SO, UH, MATT FRANK IS ON SCREEN.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO FRANK.
SO FRANK CAN WALK US THROUGH THE SPECIFIC DESIGN CHANGES.
UH, AND FRANK DEFINITELY WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD THAT YOU WERE AIMED AT.
UH, MAKE SURE YOU POINT THOSE OUT PLEASE.
UM, SO HERE IS THE EXISTING STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE IN THE M 14 AS DAVID HAD MENTIONED BEFORE.
UM, AND HERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW HERE.
UM, JUST TO GET EVERYBODY ACCLIMATED, UM, IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE A CEMETERY.
UM, IN THIS CORNER WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY.
TO THE LEFT SIDE, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE REAR, WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY.
AND TO THE RIGHT SIDE WE HAVE WOODS.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY.
AGAIN, THIS IS TO GET EVERYBODY ACCLIMATED.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
THIS IS SHOWING WHAT'S HERE AND WHAT'S GONNA BE REMOVED.
UM, THIS IS THE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE.
THIS IS THE DETACHED GARAGE AND THEY'RE BOTH LOCATED IN THE BACK LEFT CORNER OF THE SITE.
UM, THE HOME AND THE PARKING GARAGE ARE LOCATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY ENCROACH ON THE REAR YARD AND THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS AND THEY WILL BE REMOVED ALONG WITH, UM, SOME OF THE SITE CONTOURS AND TREES, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER LATER.
UM, THE SITE IS HEAVILY CONTOURED WITH THE LOW SPOT HERE AND THE HIGH SPOT HERE.
AND THERE'S A LARGE OUTCROPPING OF ROCK IN THIS LOCATION ON THE RIGHT HERE, WHICH DIANA FROM CANADA ENGINEERING WILL REVIEW AND DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD.
I'M DANIEL KAISON ENGINEERING.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE STEEP SLOPE PRESENT ON THIS ENTIRE SITE IS, UM, WITHIN THE 15 TO 25% SLOPE RANGE.
UM, THE DEEP RED AREA REPRESENTS THE SLOPES GREATER THAN 35%.
OUR LIMIT DISTURBANCE IS HALF AN ACRE, AND THE PROPOSED STEEP SLOPES WITHIN THAT AREA IS, UM, 7,751 FOR THE 15 TO 25% RANGE, 2080 SQUARE FEET FOR THE 25 TO 35% RANGE, AND 14 1,440 FOR THE 35% AND UP.
UM, OUR TOTAL STEEP SLOPE WOULD BE A DISTURBANCE AREA IS 11,300 SQUARE FEET.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM,
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WE DO HAVE A GEOTECHNICAL STUDY AND THAT WAS PREPARED BY TECTONIC ENGINEERING DATED JANUARY 5TH OF THIS YEAR.SO THEY, UM, CONDUCTED THREE WARRANTS, SIX ROCK PROBES, AND ONE PERCOLATION TEST.
UH, THEY FOUND ROCK TO BE PRESENT FROM ZERO TO FIVE FEET BELOW GRADE.
AND ALTHOUGH THERE WAS ONE LOCATION, UM, THAT WAS, THEY, THEY HAD DONE A ROCK PRO, BUT IT, THERE WAS NO ROCK ENCOUNTERED WITHIN THAT FIVE FEET.
AND THE PERCOLATION TEST, UH, RESULTED IN ONE INCH PER HOUR.
UM, I'M GONNA PASS IT OFF TO FRANK NOW THAT'S GONNA DISCUSS THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN DESIGN.
UM, SO HERE IS THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN DESIGN PRESENTED IN NOVEMBER.
UM, IT HAD A LARGER TWO STORY EIGHT APARTMENT BUILDING SITUATED UP AND DOWN ON THE PAGE HERE WITH FRONT AND REAR PORCHES, WHICH RESULTED IN FRONT YARD, REAR YARD AND SIDE YARD VARIANCES.
THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WAS 5,994 SQUARE FEET, WHICH ALSO REQUIRED A VARIANCE FOR BUILDING COVERAGE BECAUSE IT WAS OVER THE LIMIT OF 18.3% OF THE SITE, WHICH EQUALS 4,193 SQUARE FEET.
A VARIANCE WAS ALSO REQUIRED FOR EIGHT APARTMENTS WHERE SEVEN ARE ALLOWED.
THE PARKING LOT WAS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE WITH THE DRIVE AISLE HERE.
THERE WAS NO SURPLUS PARKING, WHICH THE BOARD PICKED UP ON.
UM, IT ALSO HAD A TEMPORARY LOADING BIRTH HERE, WHICH WOULD KNOCK OUT THREE PARKING SPACES TEMPORARILY WHEN PEOPLE MOVED IN AND MOVED OUT, UH, WHICH ALSO THE BOARD PICKED UP ON.
AND THIS WAS THE SIXTH VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THE AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE ON THE SITE BASICALLY ENCOMPASSED EVERYTHING.
UM, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE CAME UP WITH A MUCH NICER, MORE CONDENSED DESIGN.
SO THIS IS THE CURRENT COMPOSED SITE PLAN.
THE TWO STORY APARTMENT BUILDING IS NOW CENTERED ON THE PROPERTY AND RUNS EAST TO WEST ON SITE.
THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 4,940 SQUARE FEET AND NOW HAS NO FRONT OR REAR PORCHES.
THE RELOCATED BUILDING RESULTS IN REMOVING THE THREE FRONT, REAR AND SIDE VARIANCES REQUIRED.
MOST OF THE PARKING IS NOW UNDER THE BUILDING, RESULTING IN A, A LESS DISTURBED SITE WITH 16 OF THE 18 PARKING SPACES LOCATED BELOW THE BUILDING.
AS YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE IN THE DASH LINE, UM, THEY ARE HIDDEN FROM VIEW, WHICH IS NICE FROM THE STREET.
THERE ARE NOW TWO ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING SPACES, AND THESE TWO, ALONG WITH THE BACK PATIOS WILL NOW USE PERVIOUS PAVERS TO REDUCE SITE RUNOFF.
THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMON FOOD PLANNING BOARD, IS THAT THE PREVIOUS DESIGN DID NOT HAVE ANY PERVIOUS PAVERS.
UM, THE TRASH CORRAL IS LOCATED HERE.
UM, IT WILL HAVE A FENCE AND LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT TO SCREEN IT.
AND THE LOADING BERTH IS NOW LOCATED HERE IN FRONT OF THE CORRAL.
IT'S EIGHT FEET WIDE BY 26 FEET LONG, WHICH IS THE STANDARD SIZE FOR A BOX TRUCK.
AND A, UM, WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THIS NEW DESIGN IS IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ANY PARKING SPACES.
SO CARS CAN STILL COME AND GO.
AND THE BACKYARD NOW HAS THE OPEN SPACE WITH MINIMAL SLOPES AS REQUIRED FOR THE ZONING CODES.
ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THIS DESIGN IS THE DRIVE AISLE IS BASICALLY LOCATED IN THE EXISTING LOCATION.
UM, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS UP THE HILL AND THIS WAS KIND OF LIKE A BLIND DRIVE.
SO CARS COMING OVER THE HILL WOULD HAVE LESS TIME TO REACT TO PEOPLE COMING AND GOING INTO THE SITE.
SO NOW IT'S DOWN HERE WITH CLEAR VISIBILITY.
UM, THERE ARE TWO EV CHARGERS IN THE PARKING LOT AND THERE'S AN 80 RAMP THAT TAKES PEOPLE FROM THE PARKING AREA UP TO THE APARTMENTS.
AND ANOTHER POINT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD WAS THAT THERE WAS NO, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS.
SO ONE ASPECT THAT OWNERSHIP IS INTERESTED
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IN DOING IS PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON THE REORIENTATED BUILDING JUST TAKES YOU SOUTH.AS DAVID HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, THERE WERE SIX VARIANCES.
UM, THIS CHART HAS THEM HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
SO THERE WILL BE A VARIANCE FOR ONE ADDITIONAL APARTMENT FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT, WHERE SEVEN IS ALLOWED.
THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR 747 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING COVERAGE FOR A TOTAL OF 4,940 SQUARE FEET, WHERE 4,109 SQUARE FEET IS ALLOWED.
UM, A VARIANCE IS ALSO REQUESTED FOR PARKING CLOSER THAN 10 FEET TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, PARKING IS LOCATED UNDER THE BUILDING AND THE GUEST PARKING SPACES, THEY'RE FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING NOW.
AND THE LAST VARIANCE REQUESTED IS TO HAVE A REDUCED SIZE LOADING BIRD.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS EIGHT FEET WIDE BY 20 SI 26 FEET LONG ON A 22 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLE.
UM, WHERE THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES 15 FOOT WIDE BY 45 FEET LONG ON A 25 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAY WIDE ENOUGH FOR A TRUCK.
UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE SECTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE SITE, UM, WE AGREED AND SO WE CREATED THEM.
UM, SO HERE'S THE TWO SECTIONS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE EAST WEST SECTION.
UM, THIS SHOWS HOW THE SITE ELEVATES FROM THE SOUTHWEST TO THE NORTHEAST.
UM, THE REMAINING HILL IN THE BACK RIGHT HAS AN ELEVATION OF 256 FEET, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS INTERESTING.
NOW THE PARKING ENTRANCE IS AT THE SOUTHWEST END OF THE BUILDING, AND PARKING IS BELOW THE BUILDING AS DISCUSSED BEFORE.
THE SECOND SECTION IS THE NORTH SOUTH SITE SECTION.
IT SHOWS HOW THE SITE ELEVATES FROM THE FRONT, SO THE REAR, AND IT SHOWS HOW PARKING IS HIDDEN FROM THE FRONT.
UH, DIANA, WE'LL COME BACK ON NOW TO DISCUSS THE CIVIL DESIGN.
SO THE NEW CONFIGURATION, UH, MINIMIZES THE DISTURBANCE AND EXCAVATION ON THE SITE.
THE DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST SIDE WORKS EXPECT BETTER WITH THE EXISTING GRAVES AND PROVIDES, UH, AN IMPROVED SITE DISTANCE.
FIRE AND DOMESTIC WATER WILL BE PROVIDED FROM EXISTING THE EXISTING BAIL OLEUM WATER MAIN, WHICH WAS FORMERLY SUE US.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PRO PROPOSING A SIX INCH SANITARY PIPE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING MANHOLE WEST, UM, ON THE STREET.
AND FOR THE STORM SYSTEM, WE WILL UTILIZE 18 UNITS OF THE CULTECH 180 HD, UM, WHICH WILL ROUTE STORMWATER TO THE PROPOSED MANHOLE LEFT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THERE WILL BE NO INCREASE IN RUNOFF.
IN FACT, WE'RE UNDER FOR THE 1 10, 25 AND A HUNDRED YEAR FLOWS.
WATER QUALITY IS ALSO PROVIDED.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
SAM WILL NOW DISCUSS THE TREE REMOVAL IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, SO THE TREE REMOVALS, THERE ARE FOUR GOING TO BE REMOVED DUE TO THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN FOUR REMOVED FOR THE GRADING ON THE RIGHT AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, ONLY TWO OF THEM, UH, SORRY, THREE OF THEM EXCEED 30 INCHES.
AND THEN THE REST ARE ALL BELOW THAT WITH THE MAXIMUM, UM, STORM WATER COMING IN UNDER HALF OF THE PROPOSED TREE REPLACEMENT FOR THE 20 YEAR QUANTITY.
AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE PLANTING PLAN, YOU CAN, UH, NOTE THE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AROUND THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE ADDED TO ALSO INCREASE THE STORMWATER ABSORPTION.
THE RETAINING WALLS WE TRIED TO SCREEN WITH IVY, AND THEN IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRS AND THE RAMP, THERE IS A TIERED SECTION THAT ALSO HAS A PLANTING IN FRONT AND IN BETWEEN THE TWO TIERS.
UM, THIS SHOWS THE GENERAL CONCEPT FOR THE FLOOR PLANS.
THEY ARE FOUR APARTMENTS PER FLOOR, TWO FLOORS.
UM, EACH FLOOR HAS TWO, TWO BEDROOM AND TWO THREE BEDROOM.
EACH APARTMENT IS AROUND THOUSAND
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SQUARE FEET, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, UM, OVER THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TOWN.I THINK THE MINIMUM WAS 600 SQUARE FEET.
SO THESE ARE NICE SPACIOUS APARTMENTS, WHICH WE THINK WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THIS SLIDE HERE, UM, SHOWS THE PREVIOUS RENDERING OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS SHOWN TO DISPLAY THE GENERAL SHAPE AND MATERIALS THAT WILL BE USED ON THE REDESIGN BUILDING.
UM, SUCH CHANGES WILL BE REDUCING THE BUILDING LENGTH FOR YOUR ROTATION OF THE BUILDING ON THE SITE, PARKING BELOW, REMOVING THE PORCHES AND ADDING SOLAR PANELS TO THE ROOF.
UM, AT THIS TIME, UH, LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD, JUST TO CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN HAS BEEN OUT THERE, UM, INSTALLING SIDEWALKS ON, I ACTUALLY ON EITHER SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, UH, WE'RE EXCITED THAT, UH, WE'RE WE TO BRING THIS, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT TO THE TOWN.
THERE CLEARLY WOULD BE WALKABILITY, UM, WHICH IS QUITE CONSISTENT WITH THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THAT THE TOWN ADOPTED TO TRY TO PROMOTE SOME RESIDENTIAL MOVEMENT IN THAT AREA TO THE STORES ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE, ET CETERA.
SO, UH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'RE DONE WITH OUR AFFIRMATIVE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
LESLIE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? JUST REALLY QUICK QUESTION ON, ON A NEW PLAN.
THE SOUTH SIDE RUTH, LIKE HOW MANY I CAN'T, I'M SORRY.
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET? AND I, I WROTE A NOTE, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT SQUARE FEET OR IS IT, IS THE SURFACE AREA OF THE ROOF, WHAT IS THE SQUARE AREA OF THE ROAD? OF THE ROOF? ROOF? I'M SORRY.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF O F THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ROOF.
WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR ROOF? OH, ROOF.
THE WHOLE FLOOR PLAN IS 4,900.
SO 2,500 EACH SIDE BASICALLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SHE'S ASKING FOR LIKE SOLAR PANEL, AH, IMPLEMENTATION.
LIKE HOW LARGE OF AN AREA WOULD YOU GET THE SOLAR PANELS ON? THANK YOU.
SO I THINK, UH, PROBABLY 2,500 IS ENOUGH TO GENERATE FOR EIGHT APARTMENT SUPPLEMENT.
IT WILL NOT BY ANY MEANS GENERATE ENOUGH FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WHY DID YOU ELIMINATE THE FRONT AND REAR DECKS FOR THE APARTMENTS? FRANK? THE QUESTION, DID YOU CATCH THAT? WHY DID WE ELIMINATE FRONT AND REAR DECKS? YES.
SO THE AREA FOR THOSE WOULD GO TOWARDS BUILDING COVERAGE, WHICH YOU WERE TRYING TO KEEP DOWN.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE REMOVED.
WE, AGAIN, WE, WE, OUR, OUR SENSE MICHAEL WAS THAT AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO SEE IF WE COULD REDUCE, UM, THE, THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF OUR VARIANCES AND MAYBE EVEN ELIMINATE SOME VARIANCES.
SO WE NEED THAT VARIANCE ANYWAY.
RIGHT? SO THE DECKS WOULD INCREASE THE INCREASE VARIANCE, THE, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SORRY, I, I, I I WELL, BUT THIS IS A, A DECK ABOVE GROUND, RIGHT? CORRECT.
POSSIBLY IT WOULD NOT INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS CALCULATION.
IT WOULD INCREASE BUILDING COVERAGE.
I, I, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE REASON.
YOU'RE GONNA GO FOR THE VARIANCE ANYWAY.
I, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU KNOW, SORRY THAT WAS A GRATUITOUS COMMERCIAL.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO RESTORE IT.
I, I, I I DO HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UM, THIS, THIS PLAN IS, IS A MAJOR CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN NOVEMBER.
UM, I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT ALL YOU FOLKS FOR, UM, FOR, UH, TAKING SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS.
I HOPE YOU DON'T TAKE ALL OF THEM
WE MAKE SOME CRUMMY SUGGESTIONS.
OH, WE HAVEN'T EVEN FILED YET, MICHAEL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, THE GOOD NEWS IS MY CLIENTS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN A PRE-SUBMISSION CONTEXT.
THE REDESIGN, FRANK AND DIANA DESERVE ALL THE CREDIT FOR SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT.
BUT HEARING YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT WILL ALLOW, UM, DETO AND FLORE TO, AS THE DEVELOPERS TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO.
AND WE WILL FILE AN APPLICATION.
SO I FEEL VERY GOOD AFTER TONIGHT THAT WE CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION.
KEEP THE, THE MORE COMMENTS YOU GIVE US NOW, THE MORE STREAMLINED THE CHAIRMAN WILL MAKE SURE THE REVIEW PROCESS IS, IS, IS, ARE ANY OF THE UNITS, UH, SET ASIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YES.
THOMAS HAS PATIENTLY BEEN WAITING WITH HIS HAND RAISED TOM, LEMME SEE A SECOND.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, I ALSO WANT TO CHIME IN WITH WHAT MICHAEL SAID.
I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT THROUGH GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS.
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AS SOMEONE WHO MIGHT RENT AN APARTMENT.I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO THE COVERAGE.
UM, BUT FROM A SALEABILITY LIVABILITY STANDPOINT, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, MY BIG QUESTION IS ABOUT THE GARAGE, WHICH YOU PUT UNDERNEATH AS WAS SUGGESTED.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH ROCK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXCAVATE TO GET THAT GARAGE? AND THEN TWO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT LOWER DRAWING, THE HILL IS SLOPING RIGHT INTO THE GARAGE.
AND HOW IS THE DRAINAGE GONNA BE HANDLED TO MAKE SURE THAT GARAGE DOESN'T FLOOD IN SOME OF OUR BIG STORMS? DIANA, YOU WANNA HIT THAT AGAIN? UM, YES.
SO WE, WE DID CALCULATE, UH, SOME RAW NUMBERS FOR THE CUT AND FILL.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 2,100, UH, CUBIC FEET, I MEAN CUBIC YARDS OF ROCK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TOE.
HOW, HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS THAT THAN WHEN YOU HAD TO PUT JUST A FOUNDATION THERE VERSUS THE FIRST PLAN? DID IT INCREASE? WHAT'S THE INCREASE IN THE EXCAVATION? UM, IT, IT'S
UM, YES, THE OTHER PLAN HAD A 10 FOOT CUT FOR THE PARKING LOT, SO IT WAS AT LEAST DOUBLE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE FOUNDATION COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE SHALLOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TO FOUR FEET OR, OR WHATEVER, JUST SHY OF THAT, UH, THE OTHER PLAN HAD A SIGNIFICANT ROCK CUT FOR THE PARKING.
SO THE OTHER PLAN HAD MORE ROCK CUT MISS PLAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
FRANK, CAN YOU PULL THAT UP FOR, I THINK THE PARKING LOT WAS IN A HIGH SPOT, RIGHT? THAT YOU HAD TO CUT DOWN? YES.
SO, UM, WE'LL GO TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT THE WALL THAT'S AROUND THE PARKING LOT IS OVER 10 FEET TALL.
SO YOU HAD QUITE A BIT OF, UM, IT'S A WIN-WIN.
UH, ALSO THE BUILDING IS ORIENTED, UM, FRONT WAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CLOSER TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, UH, THE MORE CUT.
SO, WELL THAT'S THE DRAINAGE QUESTION THAT TOM ASKED THEN.
SO, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE GRADING PLAN AGAIN, FRANK.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FEATURES THAT WE INCORPORATED AND, UH, ONE IS, UM, WHERE THE RECREATION AREA IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A SWALE.
SO SOME OF THE WATER IS GONNA CUT TO THE NORTH AND, UM, COME DOWN AROUND THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, THAT'S WATER THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT ROOF AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SOME WILL GO IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO WE WANNA KIND OF USE THAT CENTER OF THAT RECREATION AREA AS THE HIGH POINT.
THERE IS A SHORT WALL AROUND THAT JUST TO ENABLE US TO, TO DIRECT THE WATER, UH, TO EACH SIDE.
YEAH, I THINK I A A COMMENT AND QUESTION.
UH, I THINK I LIKE THIS PLANT MUCH BETTER.
HAS A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND, UH, PUTTING, UH, PUTTING THE SORT OF A PARKING UNDERNEATH WITH MAKING IT A COVERED PARKING, WHICH IS A GREAT, UH, UH, GREAT FEATURES FOR, UH, FOR MARKETING AND ALSO, UH, PROTECTION OF THE TENANTS, UH, UH, VEHICLES.
UM, AND MY, UH, QUESTION IS THAT HOW MUCH OF, UH, SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES YOU HAVE, TRY TO INCORPORATE IT, INCLUDING SOLAR PANELS AND, UH, UM, OTHER PASSIVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE'VE JUST DESIGNED WITH THE SOLAR PANELS AND THE PREVIOUS PAVERS.
UM, THE NEXT STEP AS WE START LOOKING AT THE BUILDING SHAPE AGAIN, UM, IS GONNA GIVE US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME OF THE MORE ELEMENTS IN.
AND, AND THE PREVIOUS PAV, DON'T FORGET THE OUS PAVERS.
UM, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE FINISHED DEVELOPING YET, BUT THIS BUILDING HAS, UM, PLANTERS ON THE FOUR CORNERS
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AND THOSE PLANTERS WE'RE GOING TO USE AS, UM, UM, SOME TYPE OF, UH, STORM WATER QUALITY, LIKE A RAIN GARDEN KIND OF THING.SO SOME TYPE OF RAIN GARDEN OR, OKAY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER GREEN FEATURE.
UH, IDEALLY ONE WOULD WANNA MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF VARIANTS, BUT THAT HAS TO BE COUNTERBALANCE WITH GOOD DESIGN.
AND SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MICHAEL AND TOM THAT, UH, UH, I WOULD, IN THIS CASE, I WOULD PREFER, UH, INCREASE IN VARIANCE TO GET A BETTER DESIGN.
MORA, I, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WHEN YOU DO THE EXCAVATING FOR THE PARKING, YOU'RE GONNA FIND YOURSELVES WITH A LOT OF ROCK.
IF YOU CAN FIND WAYS TO UTILIZE THE ROCK ON SITE THAT'S GOOD.
EITHER FROM A LANDSCAPING STANDPOINT, LANDSCAPING STANDPOINT, OR FOR, UM, THE RAIN GARDEN OR FOR WHATEVER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SAM CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT QUARTERED AWAY AND THE EXPENSE OF THAT, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
SAM, SAM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU CAN, YOUR OFFICE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT? YEAH.
UH, WE'VE USED ROCKS AND OUR PLANTING BEDS AND DESIGNS BEFORE AS WELL AS MAKING THEM FEATURES, UM, DESIGNING THEM.
SO THEY'RE FEATURE AESTHETICS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I, UH, MATT, MATT HAS ONE TO YOU.
SO I JUST HAVE, I HAVE UH, JUST TWO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS I SHOULD ASK.
UM, THE PROPOSED LOADING SPACE SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TIGHT WITH VEHICLES TRYING TO EXIT THE UNDER BUILDING GARAGE IF THERE WAS A BOX TRUCK THERE.
UH, SO, UM, WHEN YOU FORMALLY SUBMIT, YOU GOT A TEMPLATE, THAT TEMPLATE.
YOU TURNING TEMPLATE, UH, SHOWING AS FEASIBLE TO GET IN AND OUT.
UM, AND THEN IN THE CROSS SECTIONS, I NOTICED THAT THE ATTIC WAS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE TWO APARTMENTS LAID ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE ATTIC SIZE WAS AN AESTHETIC CHOICE OR IF THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE MECHANICAL STORAGE, THAT KIND OF THING IN THERE.
FRANK, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WHAT'S THAT? WHY THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE ATTIC? THE HEIGHT OF THE ATTIC IS WE WANTED TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL LOOKS, WE WANNA HAVE A LOW PROFILE AND WE DID LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HIDE SOME MECHANICALS UP THERE.
IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS TALL BECAUSE OF THE SECTION TOO, UNFORTUNATELY.
I MEAN, WE CUT THE SECTION A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S TIME AND ALL OF THESE COMMENTS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING AN APPLICATION FILED AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT.
YEAH, I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD DIRECTION.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM MICHAEL AFTER THE MEETING, WHICH WHO HAD THE BAD IDEAS? UM, NOT, YOU DON'T DO IT NOW.
APPRECIATE IT AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.