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OKAY, WE SET? YES.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, March 1, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
OKAY.GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 1ST.
GOD, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST DECEMBER, DOESN'T IT? UM, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? SURE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT PRESENT, THEREFORE, MS. FREYTAG ARE ALTERNATE.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? UH, ONE COMMENT ON PAGE EIGHT.
UM, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH UP IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH IS THAT MR. GOLDEN SUGGESTION THAT THE DECKS, UH, BE ADDED BACK TO THE PROPOSED, UH, PLANS AND IT SHOULD SAY, UH, MR. SIMON ALSO EXPRESSED SUPPORT OF MR. GOLDEN'S SUGGESTION.
I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IN CORRESPONDENCE TONIGHT IS THAT THEY'RE ROCK CHIPPING FROM BA RIGHT.
I'D LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND, AND HOW LONG THIS IS GONNA BE GOING ON.
ARE YOU AVAILABLE? AND DO YOU HAVE VIDEO? VIDEO? I JUST SEE, I SEE HIM ON, I KNOW HE'S TRAVELING.
HE'S IN THE MEETING AND HE'S NOT.
MR. MUCCI, CAN YOU HEAR US? I'LL SEND HIM A SHOT.
WELL, I WE'LL COME BACK TO HIM THEN.
IN FACT, I'LL ASK, UM, MATT, MATT, IF YOU CAN CHAT TO MR. KUCHI, SEE IF YOU CAN GET HIM ON THE LINE.
WE'LL SUSPEND THAT UNTIL, UH, HE GETS BACK.
NEXT CASE IS, UH, PB 2205 SE WOODS.
IT'S, UH, FOR A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
ACTUALLY, WE SUBDIVISION MM-HMM.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
WE'VE SEEN THIS IN WORK SESSION NUMEROUS TIMES.
WE'RE HERE FOR A DECISION THIS EVENING ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
EMILIO'S BEEN HARD AT WORK AT CLEANING UP THE PLANS, RIGHT, AMELIA? YES, HE HAS.
YEAH, I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, CONDITIONS ON THIS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? UH, YES.
CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH ZERO FIVE CCO WOODS.
WE HAVE THIS IN A PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED, UH, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS SENTENCE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED.
WE DID, UH, ADD A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS IN HERE.
I'LL ACTUALLY SKIP AHEAD TO PAGE NUMBER NINE.
CONDITION 8.2, WHICH STATES THAT THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM EVENT BASED OFF THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL CLIMATE CENTER EXTREME PRECIPITATION TABLE AS PRE REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
HE KNOWS THAT HE'LL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT.
AND THEN SEPARATELY ON PAGE NUMBER SIX, WE HAVE CONDITION 4.8.
AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR SIDEWALKS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE FACT THAT SEACOR ROAD, WHICH IS AN APPROXIMATELY 9,000 LINEAR FOOT ROADWAY CONNECTING FROM WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE DOWN TO ROUTE NINE A, WAS IDENTIFIED AS A HIGH PRIORITY SIDEWALK.
UM, WITHIN THE TOWNS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A VERY SMALL SECTION OF SEACOR ROAD, AND THE TOWN IS LOOKING INTO STUDYING AND SURVEYING AND IDENTIFYING WHICH SIDE OF THE STREET WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR A SIDEWALK ALONG SEACORE ROAD.
IN LIGHT OF THAT, UM, SINCE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, THE APPLICANT'S OFFERED TO, UH, VOLUNTARILY DONATE $20,000 TOWARDS FUTURE SIDEWALK SURVEYING AND, UM, CONSTRUCTION.
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SEACOR ROAD.HOW MANY, HOW, HOW MANY, UH, LINEAR FEET THAT'S UNDER, LIKE, UNDER 135 WAS ROUGHLY NO, I THINK WHAT ASKING IS NEAR FRONTAGE, WHAT WOULD $20,000 BUY? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT KURT'S ASKING.
OH, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
I MEAN, FIRST OFF, IT WILL, IT WILL PROBABLY GO TOWARDS THE ACTUAL SURVEYING AND STUDYING OF THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
MR. ESCALADES, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE
THROUGH ON TV, EMILIO ESCALADES, UH, ESCALADES ASSOCIATES, THE SURVEY THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE, UH, SUBDIVISION IS UP TO THE CURB.
SO YOU HAVE THAT SEGMENT OF INFORMATION IS GREAT MAGNETIZED AND SURVEY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY USE THIS 20,000 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND, AND WE CAN USE, UH, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THIS THAT THE TOWN OWNS, WHICH IS WHERE THE SIDEWALK WOULD GO, IS CERTAINLY MAPPED ALREADY.
WE HAVE THE CONTOURS, WE HAVE THE ELEVATIONS, WE HAVE THE UTILITIES.
SO THAT SEGMENT, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE 20 FEET WIDE FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR PURPOSES, IT'S ALREADY DONE.
AND I'LL GLADLY GIVE YOU MY CAD FILES FOR IT.
AND I'M SURE, UH, UM, UM, THE SURVEYOR, UH, ELLIOT CINO WOULD, WOULD DO IT.
DO YOU KNOW THE ROUGH COST PER LINEAR FOOT? I, I ESTIMATE THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 15,000.
YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST DID THE QUICK NUMBERS ON THE 135 APPROXIMATELY LINEAR FOOT SEGMENT, I CAN AT $150 A SQUARE FOOT COMES OUT TO RIGHT AROUND 20,000.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN IT IS A SQUARE FOOT 'CAUSE YOU GO FIVE FEET WIDE, BUT COUNTING THAT, IF IT WAS FIVE FEET WIDE AND 135 FEET IN THE LENGTH, YEAH, IT'S A 650 SQUARE FEET.
WOULD THAT BE, HAVE TO BE BIDDED TO DO THE JOB? BECAUSE I CAN GET YOU A CREW THERE THAT WILL DO IT FOR THAT.
IT DOES HAVE TO BE, WE COORDINATE THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES WE FILE FOR GRANTS GOT OKAY.
SO IT'S A WHOLE, WE'RE HAPPY TO GET THE INFORMATION.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 25 YEAR STORM AND A 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE.
DISCUSS, UM, THIS WAS DISCUSSED RECENTLY.
SO AS NEW DATA BECOMES AVAILABLE, ACTUALLY WE CIRCULATED THE CHART TO THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY.
IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO GET IT TO YOU AND HAVE A PHONE CALL ABOUT IT.
BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS, PREVIOUSLY THE INFORMATION THAT THE TOWN WAS WORKING OFF OF FOR A 25 YEAR STORM WAS AROUND 6.0 INCHES OF RAIN PER 24 HOUR EVENT.
IT'S NOW ABOUT SIX AND A HALF.
BASED ON THE 25 YEAR EXTREME STORM.
SO IT'S ABOUT A HALF INCH MARK.
IS IS THE, IT'S A TERM OF ART, RIGHT? IS THERE A DIFF I JUST THOUGHT THE 25 YEAR STORM WAS UPDATED TO SIX AND A HALF INCHES IN, WE REFER TO THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL CLIMATE CENTERS EXTREME PRECIPITATION.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE GREENBERG TERMINOLOGY.
THIS IS RECOGNIZED, YOU KNOW, REGIONALLY.
SO IT IS A TERMINOLOGY, IT'S BASICALLY A 25 YEAR STORM UPDATED TO THE NEW STANDARDS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? WE ALREADY DID SEEK THIS, RIGHT? WE DID.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION THEN? SO MOVE WALTER.
KEEP IN MIND THAT THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WILL COME AT THE TIME OF FINAL SUBDIVISION.
MARIA IS, UH, MR. UCCI? MATT, WERE YOU ABLE TO REACH MR. UCCI? YEAH.
CAMERA FLICKERED ON FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.
MR. UCCI, ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AT THIS TIME? AT LEAST TALK AGAIN.
I KNOW HE WAS TRAVELING TO ORLANDO.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE HIM TIME TO MOVE TO GET, OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON.
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OH, THERE HE IS.MR. KUCHI, CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY? HEAR HIM? HE IS NOT ON MUTE.
YOUR MIC'S NOT WORKING, SIR, HE'S NOT ON MUTE.
IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S HAVING SOME TROUBLE.
SO LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
THAT'S 34, 40, 50 0, 0 AND 10 ON MILLER RIVER ROAD.
IT'S, UH, FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN, PLANNING FOR STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IN TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WE NEED TO DO SEEKER THIS EVENING, EVENING BEFORE WE DO THAT.
AND THEN A RE RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, ZONING BOARD FOR THE VARIANCES.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, I KNOW THERE WAS A, UH, SITE PLAN DONE.
DO WE ALSO HAVE, UH, WE HAVE MS. MS. ROBERT IS MR. CANON'S NOT ON, ON TONIGHT? HE'S NOT, HE'LL BE, HE'LL BE WITH US FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT MO YOU WERE THE ONE WHO REALLY WAS LEADING AND WANTED THAT.
I'D LIKE TO, TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR IMPRESSION OF WHEN YOU WENT OUT THERE, PLEASE.
UM, YEAH, WE, WELL, I THINK WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE SITE VISIT WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE LAST WEEK, AND WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE A COUPLE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAD IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH, UM, WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL BE OUT THERE.
MY CONCERNS WERE WHEN THE PUBLIC WAS VISITING MM-HMM.
AND, UM, WE MOVED AROUND THE HANDICAP SPOT FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, WHICH I THINK WILL BE BENEFICIAL.
AND WE SPOKE ABOUT, UM, ADDING SOME, UH, SIGNAGE IN TERMS OF THE PARKING AND WHERE THE, UM, UH, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR WHEN THEY COME OUT THE DOOR TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, UH, SLABS, SLABS, MERCHANDISE OF STONE AND STUFF.
SO THAT HOPEFULLY NO ONE WILL HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUES WITH GETTING, UM, WITH ANY TRAFFIC GOING BY.
ADDITIONALLY, WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE, UH, SIDEWALK, HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE SOME RESOLUTION TO THAT WITH THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE GATES AT THE END AND THE, IN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THERE WITH JOHN CANNING, HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE VISIT AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE VISIT.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE ALL OF THE ISSUES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE ONE THING, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PILLARS ARE NO LONGER AN ISSUE.
SO THE PILLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FENCING, THE WALL YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT, AND WE'RE GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO IT, BUT AS IT RELATES TO MODIFICATIONS THEY MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE CURB CUTS AND INGRESS AND EGRESS.
THE OTHER THING IS WALTER HAD BROUGHT UP A, AN ISSUE WITH SOME PROPERTY.
WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, ACTUALLY WE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY, BUT OKAY.
UM, I DID ACTUALLY TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT IT.
THERE'S A SMALL SLIVER OF PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF THIS GROUP OF LOTS, LET'S CALL IT MM-HMM.
AND WHEN I LOOKED QUICKLY AT THE TAX MAPS, IT WAS A VERY THIN SLIVER AND I DIDN'T SEE A TAX ID NUMBER FOR IT.
SO I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, WHICH I JUST DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET DOWN TO.
SO I'LL REPORT BACK ON YEAH, YOU LOOK AT IT, IT REALLY ISN'T PRACTICAL.
PRACTICAL, SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF LAND.
AND THEY HAVE TO DO SOME MAJOR ROCK REMOVAL TO MAKE THAT US TERM POWER STATE.
BUT THE OTHER POINT THAT, UH, UH, WAS NOTICED THAT, THAT THEY'RE MOVING WELL, THEY HAVE, UH, UM, AN AREA WHERE THEY HAVE THE, THE PALLETS RIGHT.
AND IT'S HIGHER UP, AND THERE'S A FENCE ON THE SIDEWALK.
THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF LAND.
AND SO MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE, UH, UH, THAT LAND, THAT THE PALLETS WON'T BE MOVED TO THE EDGE OF THE FENCE BECAUSE IF YOU, A PALLET FALLS OVER FALL RIGHT DOWN ON INDIVIDUAL.
SO NO, THAT PALLETS WILL REMAIN WHERE IT IS.
THEY MIGHT PUT SOME DECORATIVE DISPLAYS ALONG THERE, LIKE A, A FIREPLACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT NO PALLETS WILL, SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION THEN, I GUESS.
SO THAT IS ON ROUGHLY THE SOUTHERLY SECTION OF THE LOT.
UM, NEAR TO WHERE THE, IT WILL RAMP DOWN, DOWN RIGHT.
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AND THE COMMENT WAS, AND, AND MR. ELLI PROBABLY REMEMBERS FROM THE SITE VISIT THAT PALLETS IN THAT AREA ARE PILED UP, STACKED UP, UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE PULLED AWAY FROM THE FENCE AND THE EDGE OF THE WALL THAT DROPS DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK JUST IN THE HEAD, SOMETHING WAS KNOCKED OVER, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT DROP DOWN AND FALL DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK.SO IT WAS A GREAT COMMENT AND THE APPLICANT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WILLING TO ADDRESS THAT.
IT CAN BE INCLUDED AS A CONDITION AND THAT FENCING WILL GET FIXED ALSO THAT WE KNOW THE GATE RIGHT THERE THAT WE NOTICE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS IN THE OH, OKAY.
THERE, THERE, THERE, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, HAD A SIGN UP THAT, UH, NO IDLING OF THE TRUCKS.
NOW, UH, I, I WAS THERE AND, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, INDICATED WHEN THE TRUCKS PULL IN THAT THEY DON'T IDLE, BUT THE FORK TRUCKS ARE STILL OPERATING.
WHICH, AND IN TERMS OF, OF, OF ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION, THE FORK TRUCKS RUN ON PROPANE.
ACTUALLY, THEIR EXHAUST IS MUCH CLEANER RIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T NORMALLY, THEY DON'T IDLE DO WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY CONSTANTLY, THEY WORK MOVING BACK AND FORTH.
BUT, BUT WHEN YOU STOP IT, RIGHT, IF FORK TRUCK, IT GENERALLY SHUTS OFF.
IT DOESN'T STAND STAY GOING, I THINK, OR PEOPLE SHUT THEM OFF.
BUT, BUT, BUT FOUR TRUCKS ARE ALWAYS MOVING BACK AND FORTH.
THE IDEA, THE TRUCKS THAT IS REALLY THE CONCERN DO NOT OUT.
SO I I DON'T THINK THAT IS A, YEAH, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT TRUCKS, THEY TALK ABOUT THE BIG DIESEL TRUCKS.
WHICH ACTUALLY IS AGAINST, I THINK PROBABLY AGAINST CODE ANYWAY.
AND, AND FOR THE TRUCKS THAT WE SAW COMING IN, THEY CAME IN, THEY SHUT DOWN.
I THINK THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UH, UTILITY POLE THAT HOLDS UP THE K, ALL THE WIRES AND OTHER STUFF IN MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ARE THEY'RE GOING TO DO PROTECT SOMEHOW OR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THAT ON THE SITE VISIT.
BECAUSE I, I NOTICED IT AS WELL, AND WE'LL LET MR. MELLI AND THE TEAM SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT WAS AN INTERIOR UTILITY POLE AND I THINK THERE'S A FEW OF THEM.
SO WE'LL ASK YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AT THIS TIME TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT YES.
HEAR THEIR COMMENTS RELATED TO THE SITE VISIT, UM, SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO REVIEW WITH US, INCLUDING THE TREE REMOVAL, PERMIT, APPLICATION, AND LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND DO THE PROCEDURAL.
SO WE'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. ROBERTS OR MS. FINEMAN,
AND, UH, MR. UM, GOOD EVENING BOARD, UH, KATE ROBERTS.
ALSO WITH ME IS JOE
UM, I'M GOING TO FIRST, UH, I THINK TURN IT OVER TO JOE TO SORT OF DISCUSS A FEW OF THOSE OPEN-ENDED ISSUES FROM THE SIDEWALK AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THERE WAS A CROSS SECTION THAT WAS REQUESTED.
AND, UM, WE DID PROVIDE AARON A COPY OF IT.
I THINK JOE CAN PULL IT UP TONIGHT AND SORT OF RUN THROUGH IT.
AND THEN IF THE BOARD NEEDS PRINTED COPIES, WE'RE HAPPY TO PRINT IT.
UM, AFTER JOE DOES HIS PRESENTATION, I'LL, I'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TREE APPLICATION.
I'M JUST GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN, SHUT THE NOTES.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO SITE IMPROVEMENTS, AARON, I THINK TO ANSWER OR MAYBE ANSWER THE QUESTION, UH, THAT WALTER ROSE WITH THIS, THE, UH, STRIP OF LAND, I THINK IT MIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A BOARD STRIP ALONG THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY THAT CONNECTS TO DONALD PARK.
UM, LOOKING AT THE COUNTY, G I S IT SEEMS TO SHOW THE SAME THING I WISH, BUT I'M SURE YOU KNOW, YOU'LL LOOK INTO THAT WITH THE ASSESSORY CONFIRM YES.
MILLER HORIZON BETWEEN US AND, AND, UH, WHAT'S, SAY YONKERS NEXT DOOR.
IT'S ABILIT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT'S OKAY.
SO, SO AS, AS MARTIN MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF IMP UH, SUGGESTIONS, UH, WELL RECEIVED, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY ADDRESS THEM IN THIS AREA.
THE, AT THE RETAIL SPACE, UH, WHEN WE HAD FIRST DESIGNED THIS SITE, THIS, UH, SIDEWALK AND DISPLAY AREA WASN'T, WAS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE.
SO WE HAD AN ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE HERE THAT THINKING THAT THEY COULD PARK AND ACCESS THE RETAIL STORE FROM THIS ENTRY.
UH, OBVIOUSLY AS, AS WAS SEEN AT THE SIDEWALK, UH, THE OWNER HAS BUILT, UH, AS PART OF THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY, A AN OUTDOOR, UH, KITCHEN MOCK-UP.
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COUNTER SPACE AND, AND, UH, GRILLS AND, AND PIZZA OVENS AND WHATNOT IN HERE, WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT ACCESS, UH, THIS WAY.SO THE IDEA WAS TO SWAP SPACES FOUR AND FIVE, MAKE THIS A STANDARD PARKING SPACE HERE, AND THEN SPACE NUMBER FOUR WOULD BECOME THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE WITH AN APPROPRIATE ACCESS AISLE ADJACENT TO IT.
AND THAT THAT WOULD THEN ENABLE THE, UH, DRIVER TO SIMPLY EN ENTER THE STORE IN THE FRONT.
SO A MUCH SHORTER ROUTE THAN WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD WE NOT MADE THAT SWAP.
UM, THE SECOND CONCERN WAS, UH, VEHICLES DRIVING THROUGH ALONG THE FRONT OF THE RETAIL SPACE TO PARK IN SPACES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND THERE IS, UH, A DISPLAY AREA HERE WITH VARIOUS CUT STONE SAMPLES.
THE CONCERN WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY IN THE RETAIL STORE WANTING TO WALK TO THIS AREA TO, TO, UH, LOOK AT SOME OF THE SELECTIONS AND A VEHICLE COMING IN.
UH, IT WAS AGREED THAT WE PUT SOME FORM OF PEDESTRIAN SIGNAGE, SOMETHING TO, TO WARM VEHICLES WAS ACTIVE, PEDESTRIAN, UM, TRAVEL IN THIS AREA.
SO WE WILL CERTAINLY ADD SOME SIGNAGE TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, THIRD WAS THE, LET'S SEE, IT WAS THE PARKING SPACES, THE ACCESS.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ACTUALLY BEFORE I GET INTO THE, THE INTERNAL DRIVE HERE, THE, THERE ARE, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE UTILITY POLES THAT ARE ACTUALLY FOUR.
THERE'S A UTILITY POLE HERE, THERE'S A UTILITY POLE HERE IMMEDIATELY INSIDE THE FENCE, A THIRD POLE HERE ADJACENT TO THE GATE.
AND ONE MORE HERE ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, THE OWNER HAS REACHED OUT TO CONED, UM, AND IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET THEM TO EITHER, UM, THERE'S NO EASEMENT AS FAR AS WE KNOW FOR THESE POLES.
SO HE'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN REQUESTING THAT THEY EITHER BE RELOCATED OR PUT UNDERGROUND, UM, WHICH IS MONUMENTAL IN ITSELF.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT, UH, IN THE MEANTIME, HE DOES PROVIDE, UH, PROTECTION ON SITE.
NORMALLY THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY CONCRETE BARRIERS, UH, OR SOME OTHER FORM OF, UH, PROTECTION, UH, USUALLY CONCRETE BLOCK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE SO THAT, UH, HE DOESN'T ACCIDENTALLY BUMP INTO THEM.
UM, THIS FIRST CALL IS, IS OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
IT'S ON HIS PROPERTY, BUT IT'S BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THE FENCE.
SO THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE.
UH, THIS ONE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FENCE, AND IT WOULD NORMALLY BE BEHIND STORED MATERIALS.
AND THIS ONE IS TUCKED BEHIND THE GATE.
SO ALTHOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE, WHAT COULD BE AN ACTIVE AREA, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT OUT OF THE WAY.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY ARE PROTECTED, UH, NORMALLY WITH SOME KIND OF CONCRETE BARRIER OR PHYSICAL, UH, PROTECTION.
THIS POLE ON THE INTERIOR, UM, IS A POLE THAT WAS INSTALLED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, I BELIEVE, TO SERVE WHAT USED TO BE A, UH, SOME CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS ON THE SITE.
THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN AS PART OF OUR PROJECT, SO THAT POLE'S NOT A CONCERN.
THAT WAS THE ONE WE LOOKED, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT, UM, WE PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON HOW THAT INTERNAL CONNECTION WOULD WORK THROUGH THE SITE.
SO WE PROVIDED TWO CROSS SECTIONS, ONE HERE AT, UH, ON THE, THE SMALLER PARCEL AND A SECOND CROSS SECTION HERE.
AND THEN JUST TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT THE TYPICAL, UM, SCENARIO WOULD BE.
SO AT THIS FIRST CROSS SECTION, THE NORTHERNMOST SECTION, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THESE, THESE PROFILES ARE EXAGGERATED.
THE SCALES ON THESE ARE NOT ONE TO ONE, SO IT LOOKS A LOT STEEPER AND, AND, UM, KIND OF, UH, I DUNNO, AMPLIFIED THAN IT REALLY IS.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LINES, EACH OF THESE HORIZONTAL LINES REPRESENTS ONE FOOT OF ELEVATION.
SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING ROW, THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THERE'S SOME OPEN AREA BEFORE WE GET TO THE EXISTING, UH, BLOCK WALL AND FENCE.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A HONEST SECTION OF FILL TO BEGIN THAT RAMP FROM THE LOWER LEVEL TO GET UP INTO THE, THE LONGER NARROWER PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, UH, WHERE WE'LL HAVE A 28 FOOT WIDE CLEAR DRIVE AT ALL TIMES WITH DISPLAY AREAS ON EITHER SIDE OR STORAGE AREAS, I SHOULD SAY, ON EITHER SIDE.
AND THEN AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE SITE AT THE, THE CROSS-SECTION IN THIS LOCATION, UH, AND THIS IS MORE TO, TO WALTER'S POINT AND CONCERN THAT WAS MADE.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE, WE WILL ADDRESS IT AGAIN.
WE HAVE THE, THE ROAD, THE SIDEWALK, THE PROPERTY LINE.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE TWO RE TIERED RETAINING WALLS THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU WALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
THIS IS THE SECOND RETAINING WALL,
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A PORTION OF THAT WALL.WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE, UH, ABOUT HALF OF THAT UPPER WALL TO ABOUT THIS LOCATION HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING THAT WALL JUST TO OPEN UP THIS DISPLAY AREA.
BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE, THE, THE FENCE LINE THAT YOU NOTED OR MAY HAVE SEEN DURING THE SIDEWALK, SORRY TO GO BACK AND FORTH LIKE THIS.
UM, THERE'S A, A CHAINING FENCE RIGHT HERE THAT SEPARATES THE, UH, WHAT YOU SEE TODAY DRIVE BY THE SITE.
THERE'S A, A PAVED AREA BETWEEN THE TWO TIERS AND WALL THAT HE HAS DISPLAYS OF SMALLER ITEMS SUCH AS FIREPLACES AND CHIMNEYS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE DISPLAYED IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN THE PALLETIZED STORAGE WOULD HAPPEN BEYOND THIS CHAIN.
THIS PROPOSED CHAIN LINK FENCE, UH, THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE EXISTING GRADE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING THAT DOWN TO PROVIDE THAT RAMP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SITE, UH, WITH PALLETIZED STORAGE ON EITHER SIDE OF, AGAIN, THE 28 FOOT WIDE CLEAR DRIVE.
SO IN PLAN THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE MAINTAINED THIS 28 POINT WIDE, UH, ACCESS DRIVE THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO PROVIDE THAT INTERNAL CONNECTION.
THE AREAS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT DRIVE WILL BE FOR PALLETIZED STORAGE, AND THEN THE AREA BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE, THE RETAINING WALL.
THIS FENCE PROOF ALONGS ENTIRE LENGTH WILL BE USED FOR SMALLER DISPLAY ITEMS SO THAT THERE ISN'T THAT, UM, PERCEIVED DANGER OF SOMETHING TIPPING OVER INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I HOPE, I HOPE THOSE SECTIONS CLEAR THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.
I KNOW THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION YOU RAISED, WALTER, I'M HOPING THESE SECTIONS KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, I THINK WITH THAT, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO REQUIRE A D O T PERMIT.
WE HAVE NOT MADE THAT APPLICATION YET.
WE'VE HAD SOME, OR I HAVEN'T, BUT PETER SILLA HAS HAD SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE D O T.
UM, AND PART OF THAT CONVERSATION RESULTED IN WHAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, FOR THOSE SITE RIGHT NOW, THE SIDEWALK IS FULL WIDTH FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD TO THE RETAINING WALL.
IT'S AN ASPHALT WALK, UM, ARE PLACING THE ENTIRETY OF THIS WALK WITH THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
THEY HAD, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK, UM, CONNECTED TO THE, THE SIDEWALK AND THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS WHAT, UM, WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE GRASS STRIP YOU SEE HERE CAME FROM.
UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT MAYBE DOING, UM, I KNOW THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO IDEALLY DO PAVERS AS A SIDEWALK, UH, NOT A PARTICULAR FAVOR BY THE D O T, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME LIMITED PAVER SIDEWALK THAT WE, WE DO IN THIS AREA IN LIEU OF THE GRASS, JUST TO PROVIDE THE, THE WIDER ACCESSIBILITY FROM PEDESTRIANS.
WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE D O T.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF GONNA, YOU KNOW, STEER THE BUS ON THAT ONE.
UM, BUT I'M, I WOULD, UH, IMAGINE PETER AND JOHN CANNING WILL CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL KEEP THE BOARD APPRISED OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE D O T AND JOHN SUBJECT TO DOT I DUNNO, I THINK THAT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT WE SPOKE OF AT THE SIDEWALK.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAPPEN TO TRY TO ANSWER FOR IT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MM-HMM.
UM, WASN'T THERE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING BY PARKING SPOTS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WHERE THE TURNAROUND WAS? YES, I THOUGHT I MENTIONED THAT, BUT YES.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT CONCERN WITH VEHICLES ENTERING TO PARK IN THESE SPACES, AND WE WERE WHAT'S CALLED MORNING SIGNAGE HERE FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSS.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THE SIDEWALK, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT'S SO, UH, SO SORT OF BEATEN UP AND CRACKED AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO WHILE YOU ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THE D O T, UH, COULD YOU SORT OF FIX IT UP? OH, THERE'S, CAN WE FIX IT UP, YOU SAID? YEAH.
OUR, OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW, IT'S ASPHALT THE ENTIRE BANK OF THE SIDEWALK AND IT'S IN POOR CONDITION.
OUR, OUR PROPOSAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO REMOVE AND REPLACE IT WITH CONCRETE.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA NEED THE DT CONCRETE, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE D O T TO IMPROVEMENT TO TOUCH THAT, THAT SIDEWALK.
BUT MEANWHILE IT'S JUST SO BAD.
YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, REMOVE AND REPLACE THE EXISTING SIDEWALK INTO A STANDARD CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
AND THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF OLD CURB CUTS THAT ARE NO LONGER NEEDED THAT WE WOULD REMOVE AND RESTORE WITH A STANDARD CURB.
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OKAY.AND, UH, ANY OTHER, WALTER, GO AHEAD.
ANYTHING ELSE, CARRIE? YEAH, I THINK THERE IS SOME KIND OF CATCH BASIN ON THE SIDEWALK ON YOUR PHOTOGRAPH NUMBER FOUR.
THERE'S, THERE'S ONE HERE IN THIS, IN WHAT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN AS A GRASS AREA.
UM, THAT WILL HAVE TO EITHER, IT WILL EITHER BE MAINTAINED AS IT IS WITH SURROUNDED BY GRASS.
UH, IF THIS DOES BECOME A SIDEWALK, WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, REPLACE THE FRAME AND GRATE, I'M SURE, WITH SOMETHING THAT'S PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
UM, AND THERE IS A SECOND, UM, DRAINAGE GRATE AT THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT PROPOSING SIDEWALK IN THIS AREA.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, UH, DEAL WITH THAT, WITH THE D O T AND SEE WHAT, WHAT COMES OF THAT AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'LL PERMIT.
SO THE CATCH BASIN, IT'S IN YOUR PROPERTY OR IT'S IN D O T RIGHT OF WAY.
TH THIS ONE IS IN THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THIS ONE IS ON OUR PROPERTY.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S SERVED STATE.
THERE'S, THERE'S PIPING UNDER THE ROAD HERE UNDER THE SIDEWALK RATHER.
UH, SO IT'S NOT, I'M NOT CLEAR WHO STILL MAY IN THE RIGHT WAY PRACTICALITY, BUT IT IS ON OUR PROPERTY.
IT STILL MAY BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THOUGH.
IT'S IN YOUR PHOTOGRAPH NUMBER FOUR.
JUST FIX UP THE AREA LOOKS PRETTY DILAPIDATED.
I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST THE WAY WE COULD GO ABOUT IS TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE TO, THAT IS THE PLANNING BOARD PREFERENCE TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALK SUBJECT TO AGREEMENT.
DIDN'T THERE DONE THAT, BUT, BUT JUST SO THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT'S AWARE I YEAH, FEEL FREE TO MAKE IT A CONDITION.
SAY THAT MAKE IT A CONDITION SUBJECT TO THE D O T D O T APPROVAL.
IT'LL BE CONDITION SUBJECT TO D O T ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE, ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE.
INCLUDING INCLUDING THE CATCH BASIN AND, AND DRAINAGE.
DRAINAGE, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO D O T.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE INVOLVED.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AT THE SITE.
THIS YEAH, EVERYTHING'S IN THE RIGHT, IT DID COME UP.
SO, UM, IF, IF EVERYBODY HAS ASKED ALL THEIR QUESTIONS OF JOE AS FAR AS THE PLANS AND SIDEWALK GO, I'LL JUST GIVE A LITTLE, UM, OVERVIEW OF THE TREE PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH WE HAD ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR TO TOWN STAFF AS WELL AS, UM, THE FORESTRY OFFICER.
AND, UM, OLMSTED IS OUR, UM, IS THE APPLICANT'S ARBORIST ON THIS MATTER.
SO, UM, THE TREE APPLICATION BASICALLY PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF SEVEN TREES, TWO OF WHICH ARE INVASIVE TREES.
SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE 90% REPLACEMENT VALUE FOR THE FIVE REMAINING TREES AND THE TREES THAT NEED TO COME DOWN ARE SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AND AFFECT THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE ENTIRE SITE.
SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICATION IS TO CONNECT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PARCELS TOGETHER.
SO THOSE TREES NEED TO COME DOWN FOR THE CONNECTIVITY TO WORK.
UM, I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE SITE WALK, UM, AMONGST THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AND AARON AND JOE, THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOCATION ON THE SITE THAT THAT WOULD FIT ADDITIONAL NEW TREES.
UM, AND SO WE HAD HAD LUIGI REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORS IN THE PAST AND ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN HAVING TREES PLANTED ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, UP ON THE UPWARD SLOPE.
UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, 1 31 HEATH PLACE WAS THE ADDRESS, AND HE WAS AGREEABLE TO HAVING TREES PLANTED ON HIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE WERE HOPING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE FORESTRY OFFICER WOULD ACCEPT THESE OFFSITE PLANTINGS AS, UM, ACCEPTABLE FOR OUR REPLACEMENT TREES.
THE ONE THING I'LL NOTE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ARBORIST STILL NEEDS, NEEDS TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO GO ON SITE AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PICK OUT THE EXACT TREES BASED ON CONDITIONS THAT WOULD SURVIVE THE BEST ON HIS PROPERTY AND THE EXACT LOCATION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN YET, BUT, UM, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH AARON, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE PREPARED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE WORKED OUT IN ADVANCE OF THAT TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE THE BOARD ON THAT POINT.
ONE QUESTION YOU GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK OUT A COMMENT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK OUT SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ON THOSE TREES, RIGHT? YEP.
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NEIGHBORS AND PROPOSE IT TO US.NO, SOMEBODY'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE, MAINTAIN THE TREES.
BUT I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER ON WHOSE LAND THE TREES ARE PLANTED WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEM AFTERWARDS.
YOU WOULD THINK SO, BUT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND THERE'S A MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION.
IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE TREE LAW.
UM, WE READY FOR OUR HOUSEKEEPING PORTION.
I I, ONE OTHER SUGGESTION, JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON, A REASON THAT, UH, THEY CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBOR MM-HMM.
WE COULD DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IF YOU CAN'T PLANT IT THERE, RIGHT.
THEN YOU PLANT IT AT, AT SOME OTHER PUBLIC SPACE IN THE TOWN MM-HMM.
RIGHT? SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE ON THE TABLE.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU KNOW AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UPS SLOPE NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWO OFFICER CAN HANDLE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE AWARE OF IT FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SOME TIME HERE AND THE APPLICANT HAS TIME.
STILL GOTTA GO TO THE ZONING FOLLOWING TONIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA REALLY SHIFT THEIR FOCUS TO THE ZONING BOARD.
ABOUT WHAT? ABOUT C A C? NO, YEAH, NO C A C ON THIS.
NO WET AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CODE, THEY'LL GET THE, UH, REFERRAL ON THE TREE REMOVAL PRODUCT.
BUT, UM, THAT HAPPENS PROCEDURALLY, KINDA WITH THE FORESTRY OFFICER.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT THIS TIME.
AARON? DID THEY LOOK AT IT UP AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE IS MAYBE A, SOME POSSIBILITY AT THE BOAT.
WE, WE, WE WALKED THE ENTIRE SITE.
THE, YOU'D BE PLANTING SOMETHING VERY SMALL THAT'S UNLIKELY TO MEET OR SATISFY THE 90% REPLACEMENT.
IN FACT, AT SOME PRIOR POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THIS OWNER OR A PRIOR OWNER PLANTED SOME EVERGREENS UP INTO THE SLOPE AND THEY'RE VERY THIN AND KIND OF SCRAGGLY.
I WAS GONNA ADD AARON, THAT WE DID ASK OUR ARBORISTS TO LOOK INTO WHETHER PLANTINGS ON THIS SLOPE WOULD WORK.
AND, UM, HE SAID THAT THAT AREA IS SO VEGETATED THAT, UM, TREES REALLY WOULDN'T SURVIVE BECAUSE OF SHADE AND ROCKS AND WHATNOT.
SO HE, HE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE PLANT ANYTHING MORE ON THAT SLOPE JUST FOR SURVIVAL RATES.
LET'S, LET'S, WE DON'T NEED TO WORK THIS TONIGHT.
NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A TREE PERMIT.
WE ARE NOT GONNA DECIDE TONIGHT.
LET'S GET THROUGH WHAT WE NEED TO GET THROUGH TONIGHT.
THE FIRST THING IS, IS, I'M SORRY.
SO THEY'LL COME BACK WITH, RIGHT.
YOU JUST, JUST COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE TREES.
T WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.
SO BEATING A DEAD HORSE TONIGHT IS NOT GONNA HELP US.
THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS SEEKER, THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
AND BEFORE THAT, LET ME JUST REPORT TO THE BOARD QUICKLY THAT WE DID CIRCULATE A LEAD AGENCY NOTICE OF INTENT.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD CAN DECLARE RIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE A VOTE? CAN YOU HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAVE AGENCY? NO.
THAT'S, I HAVE MY NOTES RIGHT HERE.
MONA, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, CAR IT BEAT YOU BIAS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
BEFORE WE NOW NEED TO DO A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES FIRST FOR US THERE, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE? YES.
SO JUST GRAB MY NOTES ON THAT.
SHOOT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, MAN.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES AND IT MAINLY RELATES TO, UM, THE FACT THAT THE SITE IS VERY NARROW.
UM, AND A LOT OF THESE VARIANCES AS MS. ROBERTS AND I SPOKE ABOUT, WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED PREVIOUSLY BY THE ZONING BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE FORMER PROJECT THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE THE, UH, THESE LAST TWO THOUGHTS.
BUT, UM, I'LL RUN THROUGH THE VARIANCES.
FIRST IS A REAR YARD SETBACK FOR AN ACCESSORY
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BUILDING FOR ACCESSORY BUILDING NUMBER ONE FROM 50 FEET REQUIRED TO 17 FEET.SECOND IS, AND THE REAR YARD JUST IS BIG.
SECOND REAR YARD SETBACK FOR ACCESSORY BUILDING.
NUMBER TWO FROM 50 FEET REQUIRED TO FOUR FEET.
PROPOSED NUMBER THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FROM 24 SPACES REQUIRED TO 12 SPACES PROPOSED NUMBER FOUR, PARKING WITH RESPECT TO THE SOUTH SIDE YARD SETBACK.
25 FEET REQUIRED, TWO FEET PROPOSED.
SO THAT'S ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SIDE NEXT TO THIS LITTLE STREET THERE.
THIS, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE STREET, RIGHT THERE ISN'T OFF STREET PARKING TO THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
PROPOSED NUMBER SIX OFF STREET PARKING, NORTH SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO 21 FEET PROPOSED.
SO THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE WE SAW THOSE THREE SPACES.
NUMBER SEVEN, UH, ONSITE STORAGE, FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET PROPOSED.
THEY HAVE IT RIGHT BY THE FENCE RIGHT UP ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
NUMBER EIGHT, UH, ONSITE STORAGE TO THE SOUTH SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET PROPOSED.
AND NUMBER NINE, ONSITE STORAGE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET PROPOSED.
UM, THOSE ARE THE NINE VARIANCES.
AND MOST OF THOSE, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WERE BEFORE ACTUALLY ALREADY GONE TO THE ZONING BOARD PRIOR TO THE ACQUISITION OF THE OTHER COUPLE LOTS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION? DID YOU APPROVED IT ZONING BOARD, WHAT WAS YEAH, IT WAS APPROVED THE RIGHT, THE PLANNING BOARD PREVIOUSLY ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, FOR DIRECT.
UH, WELL, WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
WHY, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR POSITIVE? LET ME FINISH.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, GIVE HIM A CHANCE.
HALF OF THESE RECOMME, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A VERY NARROW AND DIFFICULT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO WORK ON.
THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IS ALMOST, IS A STEEP SLOPE WITH HOUSES MAYBE WHAT, 30, 50 FEET ABOVE.
AND SO WHEN YOU WITH THE SETBACK, YOU'RE JUST UP AGAINST THE SLOPE.
IT'S NOT UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR.
UH, THE APPLICANT, RATHER THAN REIN UH, RELOCATING OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN, MADE THE COMMITMENT TO STAY WITHIN THE TOWN AND DEVELOP THIS VERY DIFFICULT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY AMENABLE TO OUR SUGGESTIONS AND FLEXIBLE IN, IN, IN COMPLYING WITH ALL OUR REQUESTS.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE, I WOULD GIVE IT A VERY STRONG POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND IT? CORRECT? NO, MY QUESTION IS THAT ANYTIME THAT SOMEBODY SORT OF SAYS THAT THEY GO MOVE OUT OF THE TOWN, THEN WE GIVE THEM A, UH, ALL THAT
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
THE CASE HERE IS THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN IN EXISTING BUSINESS ON A VERY DIFFICULT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME.
THEIR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND WITHOUT MOVING, WHETHER IT'S NOT A THREAT, IT'S A FACT.
BUT ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND WITHOUT MOVING IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THEY CAN'T MOVE THE CLIFF, THEY CAN'T MAKE THE PROPERTY ANY WIDER AND THEY LIKE TO STAY THERE AND NOT BE, NOT DISRUPT THEIR, YOU KNOW, PUT IN ENDANGER ANY OF THEIR CUSTOMERS OR THEIR WORKERS.
AND THIS IS THE WAY THEY DO IT.
I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ENHANCE ON ONSITE CIRCULATION, PARTICULARLY FOR THE LARGE TRUCKS.
REMOVE, REMOVE CURB CUTS, MAKE IT SAFER, REMOVE CURB CUTS.
MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS.
THAT WAS ONE OF MS. FRAY TAG'S BIG, UM, CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT AND, AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON THE SITE AND THEY SHOWED US HOW THEY WERE GONNA MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY WALKED US THROUGH THE THEY'RE TRYING YEAH.
SAFER FOR THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION FOR THE TRUCK DRIVERS.
ALL IN FAVOR? I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
WITH RESPECT TO THE, HANG ON, TOM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT IT'S VACANT LAND.
SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, IMPINGING ON ANYBODY.
AND DID YOU SAY THE ZONING BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SOME OF THESE VARIANCES? YEAH.
WELL WE SHOULD THEY DID POINT THAT OUT.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
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I THINK THOMAS AND THE PLANNING BOARD'S PRIOR POSITIVE.BUT, BUT MAINLY THE ZONING BOARD'S APPROVAL.
TOM, TOM I WAS PREPARING TO AYE 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THE VOTE WAS BEING TAKEN
OKAY, THAT PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON.
DO WE HAVE, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE LIST OF WAIT BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE RAISE THE ISSUE FORMALLY OF THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD CONFERENCE? YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD GO ON RECORD OF THAT.
WE WANNA GO ON RECORD OF THAT.
THAT WE BELIEVE THE PLANNING BOARD BELIEVES THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY BAD MISSED OPPORTUNITY FROM AN EDUCATION POINT OF VIEW IMPROVEMENT.
NOT, NOT RELATED TO THIS APPLICANT, NOT TO THIS IT DONE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CON THE CONFERENCE HERE FOR A SECOND.
SO GOING BACK TO CORRESPONDENCE.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, THIS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW FOR TWO, FOR OVER A MONTH, HAVE GOTTEN NOWHERE AND IT'S GOTTA BE DECIDED.
AND THIS BOARD WORKS VERY HARD AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME EDUCATION THAT FRANKLY WE CAN CAN'T NEEDED GET ANY PLACE ELSE BECAUSE IT, IT GIVES US SOME INNOVATIVE IDEAS THAT WE DON'T SEE IN, IN OUR TYPICAL LAND USE SEMINARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL DILIGENT AT GOING TO THOSE SEMINARS.
BUT FRANKLY, THE MOST PRODUCTIVE ONE I'VE EVER BEEN TO WAS THE ONE WE ATTENDED A FEW YEARS AGO BEFORE COVID, FOUR YEARS AGO.
I THINK FOUR WAS THAT ONE AGO ALREADY.
SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN TO THIS IN, IN FOUR YEARS.
UM, I THINK IT BEHOOVES THE TOWN TO, UH, ALLOW US ALL TO GO, GO TO THAT.
AND I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE MAJORITY ALMOST EVERYBODY ON, ON, ON THE BOARD GOING IF, IF IF IT'S APPROVED.
AND AARON, WHERE DOES THE COST PER PERSON? YOU TELL ME I DID 700, I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND 750.
THAT INCLUDES A HOTEL AND THE REGISTRATION AND THE REGISTRATION REGISTRATION WAS ABOUT THREE, 400, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH ABOUT NO, I THINK IT WAS UNDER 300.
SO WHAT I NIGHTS CAN DO IS TWO NIGHTS, TWO NIGHTS HOTEL, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? MM-HMM.
SO I CAN PULL THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, FIND OUT HOW MANY ARE INTERESTED.
THEN I'LL SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONER AGAIN AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T DRAG THEIR FEET ANY LONGER THOUGH BECAUSE THEY, THEY, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA MISS THE REGISTRATION DATE.
AND PEOPLE ALSO HAVE TO PLAN THE LIFE LIFE TOO WHEN YOU GO ON THE WAY.
I THINK AARON, YOU SAID REGISTRATION ENDS MARCH 30TH, MARCH 9TH, 29TH.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST THAT PEOPLE HAVE SCHEDULES.
PEOPLE HAVE SCHEDULE SCHEDULES, YOU KNOW, I HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO SURE.
I'VE NOT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, SO WE NEED TO PLAN SCHEDULE BUSY LIVES.
WE ALL HAVE OTHER THINGS WE DO.
I'M NOT, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS, TO ME, THIS ONE'S NOT EVEN, THIS ISN'T A LAUGHING MATTER.
THIS IS A MATTER OF HER TRAINING.
THIS BOARD WORKS HARD AND WANTS TO BE DO BETTER.
AND THE WAY WE DO BETTER IS BY GOING TO, TO THIS.
AND MICHAEL WENT TO IT ON HIS OWN FOR A COUPLE, ONCE OR TWICE BEFOREHAND, AND HE WAS ONE THAT TURNED US ON TO GOING AND IT WAS THE BEST, BEST CONFERENCE I'VE EVER BEEN TO ON, ON, ON STUFF.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN, MICHAEL.
SO MR. HAVE GARRETT GET BACK TO GET BACK TO US, UH, OR THE TOWN BOARD, GET BACK TO US AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF GARRETT NEEDS TO, IF THEY NEED ME TO GO IN FRONT OF THE TOWN BOARD NEXT WEEK, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IN FRONT OF THE TOWN BOARD AND SAY THIS MYSELF.
THAT SHOULD KEEP THEM FROM WANTING ME TO GO THERE.
ON THAT NOTE, ARE WE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO, UH, THE, TO THE, UH, WORK MR. UCCI AND, UM, THE ROCK CHIPPING? YES.
SO WE HAVE MR. DANIEL UCCI, YOU'RE ON MUTE SO YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF.
THIS IS THE THIRD, THIS IS THE THIRD EXTENSION I BELIEVE ON THIS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE, YOU NEED A THIRD EXTENSION OF WHY THIS IS HAPPENING? SO, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN UP TO THE SITE.
SO THE, THE SITE IS, UM, IT'S A ROCK PILE FOR THE, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORDS.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE BUILDING THE PROJECT AS WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, AND THE TOWN BOARD, THAT'S WHAT WAS ACCEPTED FILED.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THIS LAST HOUSE NOW, FORTUNATELY WE'RE DOING ALL FOUR HOUSES AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AND IT'S NOT BEING EXTENDED OVER A, A THREE, FOUR YEAR PERIOD.
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UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE LAST EXTENSION THAT WE, WE RECEIVED, WHICH WAS A 60 DAY EXTENSION, I DON'T THINK WE SHIPPED MAYBE TWO OR THREE DAYS OF THAT TIME.UM, BECAUSE AS WE'RE WORKING AROUND THE SITE, UM, WHERE ENCOUNTERING AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CHIP AWAY, UM, SO THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, THIS IS A PARTICULAR HOUSE.
ONE, IT'S UP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE HILL AND HAS A TREMENDOUS ROCK CUT IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
AND WE'VE, UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENSION TO, UH, TO COMPLETE THAT WORK.
SO IS THIS THE LAST, IS THIS THE LAST WORK, DO YOU THINK HE, EXCUSE ME.
DO, DO, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES OF YOU COMING BACK FOR YET ANOTHER EXTENSION ARE AFTER THIS? SO I, I PRAY I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M PAYING DAILY TO GET THESE, THIS ROCK REMOVED.
UM, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING GRANTED IS A 60 DAY WINDOW TO CHIP, BUT I MAY ONLY CHIP FIVE DAYS IN THOSE 60 DAYS BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING AROUND THE SITE.
UM, I THINK WHAT THE BOARD SHOULD MAYBE CONSIDER IN FUTURE PROJECTS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING A 30 DAY SHIPPING PARTICULAR DAYS.
AND WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IT IS.
BUT 30 DAYS WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE AROUND WHEN WE ENCOUNTER ROCK TO ABLE TO REMOVE IT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT IDEA.
IF I WERE A NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, I'D WANT TO GET THIS OVER WITH ONCE, NOT KNOWING WHEN AND IF SOMEONE'S GONNA SHOW UP AND DO ROCK CHIPPING IN A DAY, UM, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT RANDOM, AT RANDOM DAYS WOULD BUG ME.
SO YOU, WE DO WANT TO GET IT DONE WITHIN A A CONDENSED PERIOD OF TIME IF POSSIBLE FOR THAT REASON.
'CAUSE IT IS, IT CAN BE VERY LOUD AND VERY ANNOYING TO NEIGHBORS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE, THERE ARE LIMITS TO IT AND WHY IT ISN'T JUST 30 DAYS AND YOU CAN DO IT OVER 365.
WE CAN'T DO THAT ANY OTHER, SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO YEAH, SO WE JUST, SO WE STARTED CHIPPING THE LAST PERMIT THAT WE'VE GOT.
IF, IF WE GOT THREE OR FOUR DAYS IN, WE WERE PROBABLY LUCKY, BUT WE STARTED CHIPPING AGAIN.
SO MY CONTRACTOR, HE'S NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR US TO GET THIS EXTENDED.
SO OF COURSE HE PULLS HIS MACHINE, HE HAS TO GO TO ANOTHER JOB WHERE HE'S GOING TO MAKE MONEY.
UM, SO NOW I'M GONNA GET THIS PERMIT, HE'LL GET IT TOMORROW.
I HOPE, UM, I HAVE TO CALL HIM BACK IN.
IT MIGHT TAKE HIM TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO COME BACK TO THE JOB SITE.
HE'LL START SHIPPING AGAIN, AND THEN WE'LL COME TO ENCOUNTER ANOTHER AREA.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT JUST, THAT'S JUST THE PROCESS.
I MEAN, TRUST ME, I, I'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE, BE DONE WITH IT, FINISH AND, AND, AND, AND MOVE ON.
UM, SO IT BECOMES A, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE FOR US AS WELL.
I, I, IN PRINCIPLE, I AGREE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE THIS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE NOT TO, UH, INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PRACTICAL LOGISTICS OF CHIPPING AND BILLING THIS PROPERTY.
THE GENTLEMAN JUST, UH, INDICATED A PROBLEM THAT, UH, THAT THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE CHIPPING IS OFFSITE.
IT MIGHT BE A FEW WEEKS BEFORE HE COMES BACK, BUT THE C**K IS TICKING SO, RIGHT.
SO, SO I I MEAN IT HAS TO BE A BEN AWAY.
WELL, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO REASON WHY THE CLOCK HAS TO TICK BEFORE THE DAY THE CONTRACTOR GETS THERE.
THAT WHY THAT WE'D EVER START THE PERMIT BEFORE.
THAT WAY THAT WE CAN FIX RIGHT NOW.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS WE CAN FIX THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SENSE FOR THE CONTRACTOR.
WHAT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THEN, 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS, IS THAT WE GRANT THEM THE EXTENSION OF, ACTUALLY YOU CAN GIVE 'EM THE NINE, THE 90 DAYS WITH ONLY 30, LIMITED TO 30 DAYS OF ACTUAL TIPPING.
THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS THE FIRST DAY THE CONTRACT TRACTOR IS ON SITE READY TO CHIP.
I I WANNA KNOW FROM THE APPLICANT, 30 DAYS OF CHIPPING IS SUFFICIENT.
WILL 30 WORKING DAYS OF CHIPPING BE SUFFICIENT, YOU THINK TO COMPLETE AARON? IT SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, I, I TRAILER HAVE TO DO 30 MORE DAYS OF CHIPPING.
SO 90 DAYS YOU'RE DOING THE ROCK CUT.
SO WE'RE WITH THIS ONE PARTICULAR LOT.
WE ALREADY DID THREE OTHER LOTS IN THE MAIN IN THE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE THIS LAST LOT THAT'S LEFT.
WE HAVE TO DO THE BACKYARD, WHICH HAS A 30 FOOT CUT, AS YOU KNOW.
UM, WE HAVE TO BRING UP SEWER AND WATER.
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SHIPPING STARTING.SO, SO HE IS GOT THE ROCK CUT FOR THE BEHIND THE HOME AND THEN, WHICH IS A 30 FOOT ROCK CUT.
AND IT WAS PURSUANT TO THE APPROVED PLANS AND THEN THE UTILITIES, THE SEWER AND THE WATER COMING IN.
SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE HOPE IS THAT THE 30 ACTUAL WORKING DAYS OF CHIPPING WILL BE SUFFICIENT.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE 'EM A 90 DAY EXTENSION BEGINNING ON THE FIRST DAY OF CHIPPING.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GONNA SPEND AS FEW DAYS CHIPPING COST MONEY AS THEY CAN BECAUSE EVERY DAY OF CHIPPING COSTS MORE MONEY.
SO IF IT TAKES 32 DAYS, IT MEANS THEY CAN'T DO IT IN 30 DAYS.
SO YOU MADE, YOU MADE YOUR SALE.
THE ONE THING THAT AMANDA BROUGHT UP IS WE NEED A NOT TO START LATER THAN RIGHT APRIL ONE.
IS THAT FAIR NOT TO START UNTIL APRIL ONE? NO, NO.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE CLOCK DOESN'T START TICKING UNTIL YOU HAVE A, A CHIPPER ON SITE.
BUT THAT CHIPPER HAS TO BE ON SITE BY APRIL ONE.
THE COPS START THINKING, OKAY.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T CAN'T JUST HAVE IT STAY OUT THERE FOR THE NEXT 365 DAYS.
IS THAT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE CHIPPER? IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE WILL ASK MY CONTRACTOR.
THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT THAT BY APRIL 1ST.
IT, IT'S WHEN THE CHIPPING STARTS OR APRIL 1ST, WHICHEVER COMES EARLIER.
HAS TO START BEFORE APRIL 1ST, APRIL, NO LATER.
SO EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY THAT I'M NOT CHIPPING, I'M NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
WELL, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AGREEING.
YOU GOT, YOU GOT SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
HERE YOU HAVE A 90 DAY WINDOW WITHOUT THE LIMIT OF CHIPPING DAYS.
IT WON'T START UNTIL, UNTIL YOU ENGAGED TO SHIP THE CHIPPER.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE ENGAGED BY THE 1ST OF APRIL.
THE 90 DAYS STARTS THE EARLIER OF.
WHEN THE CHIPPING BEGINS, OR APRIL 1ST.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID.
YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IF THE CHIPPER, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
IF THE CHIPPER GETS ON THERE APRIL 5TH, THAT'S FINE.
EXCEPT 90 DAYS BEGINS APRIL 1ST.
WHY? WHY? WELL, WHAT I, OKAY, I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN THAT WAY.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION PLEASE? I THINK I JUST MADE IT SO MOVED.
SO YOU'LL GET, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR PERMIT.
WHEN WILL WE HAVE AARON? WHEN WOULD I, WHEN WOULD I HAVE THAT PERMIT, DO YOU THINK? SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS NOW THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN THE EXTENSION APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU NEED TO GET THE PHYSICAL EXTENSION FOR PERMIT EXTENSION FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO WHY DON'T YOU REACH OUT TO ME TOMORROW? MM-HMM.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, WHAT DID WE ORIGINALLY HEAR THIS PROPOSAL? IT SAYS TB 2302.
WHEN DID WE ORIGINALLY HEAR THE WILD NINETIES? LATE NINETIES.
I THINK I WAS ON THE BOARD, I THINK WHEN, EARLY 2000, 25 YEARS AGO.
I THINK THAT WAS, I REMEMBER THIS ONE THOUGH.
I THINK I REMEMBER US REQUIRING THE JITNEY AT THE TIME.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S WELLWOOD CONDOMINIUM.
IT'S REQUEST TO AMEND THE CONDITION WHERE WE REQUIRED A JITNEY, UH, TO GO TO TRAIN STATION.
UM, AND, UM, WHAT I, WE UNDERSTAND AND WE WILL, WHO'S HERE, MS. GARAS FOR THIS? WE HAVE, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ.
AND MR. HYMAN, EXCEPT HE SPELLS HIS NAME WRONG.
YOU'RE SPELLING YOUR NAME WRONG.
I CAN FIX IT IF IT HELPS, BUT I'M OKAY.
UH, MR. SCHUTZ, WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT'S HAPPENED IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION THAT WHY THIS REQUEST IS GONE, GOING, COMING NOW, AND WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS AS AN ALTERNATIVE? SURE.
SO, WHILE IT IS A COMMUNITY COMPRISED OF 86 CONDOMINIUMS, WHICH ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, UM, OVER THE YEARS ABOUT 300 PEOPLE A MONTH USED THE JITNEY WITH 12 TO 14 REGULAR RIDERS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT DURING COVID, THAT SERVICE WAS SUSPENDED.
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SUSPENDED DUE TO COVID, UH, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BOARD OF MANAGERS OF THE CONDOMINIUM SURVEYED THE UNIT OWNERS TO SEE WHAT LEVEL OF USAGE WOULD BE NEEDED ON A GOING FORWARD BASIS.AND THEY DETERMINED THAT REALLY OF THE COMMUNITY, ABOUT A THIRD RESPONDED, AND ONLY TWO RESIDENTS INDICATED THAT THEY WERE INTENDING TO REGULARLY USE THE SERVICE.
BUT COUPLING THE LACK OF USE WAS ALSO COMPLICATED BY THE FACT THAT THE SERVICE PROVIDER THAT THE CONDOMINIUM HAD PREVIOUSLY USED, UH, WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.
SO THE NEW PROPOSED SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT THE CONDOMINIUM HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH WANT TO CHARGE BETWEEN THREE AND 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BEING PAID BY THE CONDOMINIUM.
SO THE CONDO HAS COME TO THE TOWN BOARD, AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD IN ORDER TO SEEK, TO HAVE THIS PROVISION AMENDED NOT TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE PROVIDE SOME SORT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICE, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT AND THE REASONING BEHIND IT.
BUT INSTEAD TO ALLOW MODIFICATION OF THE REQUIREMENT SO THAT THE SERVICE PROVIDED CAN MORE ADEQUATELY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY WHILE BEING MINDFUL OF THE COSTS.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE SERVICES WERE SUBSTANTIALLY, THE NEED FOR THE SERVICE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISHED.
AND WHAT DID, WHAT WOULD THAT ALTERNATIVE BE? WELL, WE PROVIDED, UH, THE TOWN BOARD WITH PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
AND THAT PROPOSED LANGUAGE WAS TO PROVIDE, UH, THE BOARD OF MANAGERS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH A DISCRETION TO PROVIDE SERVICE, BOTH IN THE MORNING AND IN THE EVENING, IN A MANNER AND METHOD TO BE DETERMINED BY THAT BOARD.
AND THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO DO THAT IS WE WANNA PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THE ABILITY TO TAILOR THE SERVICE WITH THE NEED AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IF THE NEEDS CHANGE AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE COMING NOW.
'CAUSE THE NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE 25 YEARS AGO WHEN THE, UH, RULES WERE IMPLEMENTED.
SO WE WANNA PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY TO THE ELECTED BOARD OF MANAGERS SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AT NO COST, AT NO COST TO THE RESIDENTS, IT IS BEING, WELL, IN A, IN A ROUNDABOUT SORT OF WAY, IT'S THE COST TO THE RESIDENTS.
'CAUSE THEY ALL PAY COMMON CHARGES.
IT'S A COMMON CHARGE, BUT IT'S NOT A, BUT YES, IT'S NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE RESIDENT.
JUST LIKE THE JITNEY WAS BEING PROVIDED, THE INTENTION IS TO SUPPLEMENT THE SERVICE OR PROVIDE A COMPARABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO ALL, ALL THE RESIDENTS, BUT JUST NOT BY PROVIDING A REGULAR SHUTTLE THAT DOESN'T REALLY SERVE A BENEFIT TO RUN EMPTY, QUITE FRANKLY, TO AND FROM THE TRAIN STATION WHEN NO ONE'S USING IT.
SO ONE, ONE CONCERN I HAD WITH THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE WAS THAT IT GAVE DISCRETION TO, IT SEEMED LIKE IT GAVE DISCRETION TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE, NOT NECESSARILY THE MEANS OR THE METHOD.
SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TAILORED MORE SPECIFICALLY TO, TO INDICATE IT'S THE METHOD, NOT WHETHER THE SERVICE WILL BE PROVIDED.
WELL, THE, THE LANGUAGE WE PROPOSED SAID THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING WITH TRANSPORTATION SERVICE IN A MANNER TO BE DETERMINED BY THE BOARD.
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK TO TWEAK THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY THE INTENT TO GIVE THE BOARD DISCRETION AS TO THE MANNER IN WHICH IT PROVIDING IT, BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE IT.
MICHAEL, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? MICHAEL? YEAH, I'M JUST READING THIS AGAIN.
YEAH, I MEAN, LOOK, LOOK, APPARENTLY THERE, THERE ARE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW OF THAT WANT TO USE THIS SERVICE.
UM, I'M, I'M ALL FOR THIS AMENDMENT.
I MEAN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY CONDOMINIUM UNITS HAVE MANDA? MANDATORY JITNEY SERVICE? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THIS, BUT THERE ARE PLACES ALL OVER THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, YOU KNOW, MOST OF WHICH HAVE NO, YOU KNOW, PAID FOR JITNEY SERVICE.
THIS HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT SUEY GENEROUS.
I I THINK WE SHOULD, THIS IS A TOWN BOARD REFERRAL, A REFERRAL.
IT IS JUST, WE SHOULD POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE, I MOVE, WE GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, BUT I, I DIDN'T WANT, HANG ON, WE NEED A SECOND.
AND WE GUYS, GUYS, I HAVE PEOPLE, HOLD ON.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, UH, THE CONCEPT HERE.
UH, I WOULD INSERT TWO WORDS, UH, AND, UM, THE LAST, UH, SENTENCE SAYS, OR UNDER SUCH FREE TRANSPORTATION, IT'S FREE SO THAT, YOU KNOW WHETHER, WHETHER YOU WANT TO GET A CAB OR, OR CAR,
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WHATEVER THE BOARD, IT IS ACTUALLY NOT FREE.BUT I WOULD JUST SAY OTHER THAN SUCH FREE TRANSPORTATION, WHATEVER, TO INDICATE THAT IT'S STILL FREE, FREE TO THE RIDER, IT'S COST, THE USE.
IF YOU GO IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE NEXT TO THE LAST SENTENCE, REIMBURSEMENT FOR CAB OR OTHER SUCH FREE TRANSPORTATION, UH, UH, METHODS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD.
JUST SOMEONE, WHETHER THAT'S THE WORD, BUT THAT SHE NO ADDITIONAL, SHE, SHE WOULDN'T BE AT NO COST TO THE COMMUTER.
NO COST, BUT JUST WORD TO THE COMMUTER.
NO COST TO THE COMMUTER, WHATEVER.
WELL, AND IT WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL COST.
I WOULD'VE PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.
I WOULD'VE PUT IT RIGHT UP FRONT.
UM, IT SHALL BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE ASSOCIATION TO PROVIDE UNIT OWNERS WITH TRANSPORTATION AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO COMPUTERS, UH, COMPUTER RIGHT UP FRONT TO AND FROM THE SELECT, BUT WHATEVER, IT'S THE SAME IDEA.
THAT YOU'RE NOT CHARGING PEOPLE FOR THIS.
OTHER THAN THROUGH THEIR FEES.
I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW, HOW THIS THING CAME ABOUT.
WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT THEY, THEY THEY EXPLAINED IT.
HE JUST EXPLAINED IT TWO MINUTES AGO.
WHAT HE SAID, WHAT HE SAID WAS THAT AFTER COVID WE WERE, THEY SUSPENDED IT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, SUSPENDED SERVICES, THEY DID A SURVEY AND THEY FOUND OUT NOBODY WAS U USING, USING THE JITNEY.
AND THE JITNEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND JITNEYS JUST LIKE SCHOOL BUSES.
'CAUSE THEY KNOW WE HAD A PROBLEM IN EDGEMONT SCHOOL.
BUSES HAD REALLY SHUT UP IN PRICE TO THAT.
MY QUESTION IS WHY THIS CONDITION WAS PUT IN FIRST PLACE? OH, YOU MEAN 25 YEARS AGO TO REDUCE COMMUTER TRAFFIC AND POLLUTION? YEAH.
WE WERE BEING, IT HAD BEEN COMMON AROUND THAT TIME TO PROVIDE, WHEN THERE'S PROXIMITY, SO THAT IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE TARRYTOWN TRAIN STATION, IT WAS LIKELY THAT THERE WOULD BE FOLKS RESIDING IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT WOULD COMMUTE AND PROVIDING THAT SERVICE.
REDUCTION BENEFIT IS REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC.
TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC POLLUTION, YEAH.
C O ENVIRONMENT AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY, QUALITY OF LIFE TOO.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON BEFORE WE GO? YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF AT SOME POINT MORE PEOPLE ARE USING IT, THAT THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK BACK TO GO INTO THE JITNEY SERVICE.
OH, THAT'S UP TO THEM HOW THEY DO IT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE AND, AND IT'S IN THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED.
SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY, I'M FINE.
DO I, CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? OKAY.
AS AMENDED AS THE LANGUAGE THAT AS WE DO.
WE GOT ANYTHING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, LAST BUT NOT LEAST FOLKS.
UNITED REFRIGERATION FOUR 20 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
IT'S FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, TREE PERMIT.
UM, WE NEED TO DECLARE OURSELF, UH, INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THIS EVENING.
I I BELIEVE THAT ANY CASES THAT ARE COMPLEX ENOUGH THAT WE'RE BACK, THAT WE'RE INVOLVED, THAT WE'RE PROBABLY BETTER SUITED TO BE A LEAVE AGENCY IF FOR NO OTHER REASON.
WE MEET TWICE A MONTH INSTEAD OF ONCE A MONTH.
IT SPEEDS THINGS ALONG IF WE DO SEEKER.
SO WE WILL, IT'S NO REFLECTION ON THE ZONING BOARD, BUT THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH.
SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE BE, BE A LEAD AGENCY ON THIS.
DECLARE OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY VARIANCE.
I MAKE, I MAKE MOTION THAT WE DECLARE OUR INTENT TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
MR. DESAY HAD A QUESTION, I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THEM.
THERE ARE THREE AREA VARIANCES IDENTIFIED AS BEING REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
FIRST BEING THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
SO, UM, PERMITTED IS TWO STORIES.
THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE STORIES.
THAT'S ONE 20, HOW MANY FEET HOLD UP? OKAY.
SO THAT'S JUST WITH RESPECT TO STORIES.
SECOND, WITH RESPECT TO THE ACTUAL HEIGHT FROM 25 FEET PERMITTED TO 73 FEET PROPOSED AND THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FROM 121 REQUIRED TO 34 PROPOSED.
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THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED, UM, LAND BANK PARKING WITHIN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.BUT IT, WHILE THAT'S RECOGNIZED, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL WORK WITH IN THEIR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IDENTIFIED THAT THE VARIANCE IS DOWN TO 34.
CAN I HAVE THE MOTION, THE HEIGHT IS THE ONE THAT'S MAJOR? YES.
DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION FOR AGENCY? CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
STATE YOUR NAME FOR US PLEASE.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE AT DELBELLO DONEL AND WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF UNITED REFRIGERATION AND ITS APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU.
UM, WITH ME THIS EVENING IS MY COLLEAGUE JANET GARRIS, OUR ENGINEER RALPH MASTERON.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE JEFFREY JORDAN, OUR ARCHITECT ON THE ZOOM.
UM, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM UNITED REFRIGERATION TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, WE LAST MET WITH YOU, I BELIEVE IT WAS NOVEMBER 2ND, AND DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT.
AND AFTERWARDS THERE WAS A SITE WALK, UM, AND WE RECEIVED POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THOSE VISITS.
SO WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH OUR APPLICATION AND OUR BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, JUST TO RECOLLECT, UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT FOUR 20 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN ELMSFORD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, IT'S IN THE IB INTERMEDIATE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IS DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY WAREHOUSE BUILDING THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1968 AND THERE ARE 34 EXISTING PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING ONE A D A COMPLIANCE SPACE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, UNITED REFRIGERATION HAS BEEN AT THE PROPERTY FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
UM, AND IT'S A GREAT SUCCESS STORY.
THEY LOVE THE PROPERTY, THEY WANNA EXPAND AT IT.
UM, THEY WANNA STAY IN THE TOWN AND, UH, BUT THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS OUTGROWN, HAS, THEY'VE OUTGROWN THE NEEDS OF THE BUILDING, AND SO THEY NEED TO EXPAND IT.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING A CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY ADDITION.
AS AARON SAID, IT WILL BE, UM, THREE STORIES AND 73 FEET.
UH, A TOTAL ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 80,600 SQUARE FEET.
THE EXISTING FIRST FLOOR WILL BE RENOVATED TO INCLUDE WAREHOUSE STORAGE, TRAINING ROOMS, OFFICES, CONFERENCE ROOM, BATHROOMS, KITCHEN LOUNGE AREA, UM, AND A LOADING DOCK.
UH, THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES WILL BE FOR WAREHOUSE STORAGE.
UM, THERE ARE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE PARKING AREA, INCLUDING ADDING A LANDSCAPE ISLAND.
AND, UM, WE'RE NOT, AS AARON SAID, WE'RE WE, UH, NEED A VARIANCE FOR PARKING AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY ONLY AT 34.
UM, BUT THE AMOUNT YOU NEED INCREASES BECAUSE YOU TRIPLE BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING THE TWO STORIES.
UM, AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD FROM OUR LAST MEETINGS WITH YOU, WE HAVE ADDED GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE BUILDING.
UH, WE PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
THE BUILDING IS ENERGY EFFICIENT WITH L E D LIGHTING AND MOTION SENSORS.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING 15 NEW TREES, UM, AS JEFFREY JORDAN CAN GO INTO THOSE DETAILS.
UM, WE ARE PRO ALSO PROPOSING MINIMAL DISTURBANCE TO STEEP SLOPES TO CONSTRUCT A RETAINING WALL ON THE NORTHEASTERN, UH, SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE ARE REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR 15 TREES, UH, WHICH NEED TO COME DOWN.
BUT WE WILL BE REPLACING THOSE WITH 15 DESIDUOUS, EVERGREEN AND FLOWERING TREES.
UM, SO BASICALLY, AS I SAID, THEY'VE OUTGROWN THE BUILDING AND IT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER.
UH, WE'VE DECIDED TO GO UP BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO MOVE, IF WE WERE TO BUILD INTO THE BACK, WE WOULD ENCROACH ON THE WETLAND BUFFER, THERE'S A STREAM BEHIND THE PROPERTY, AND WE WOULD ALSO AFFECT STEEP SLOPES.
AND BY BUILDING IN THE FRONT, WE WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY PARKING AREA ON THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THE BEST WAY TO PRESERVE THESE NATURAL FEATURES AND TO PRESERVE THE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY WAS TO BUILD UP.
SO ALTHOUGH WE REQUIRE VARIANCES FOR THIS, WE THINK THIS IS THE BEST PLAN FOR THEM TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AT THE PROPERTY.
AND AS I ALSO JUST WANNA MENTION, THE PROPERTY KIND OF SITS IN A LITTLE BIT OF A, A BOWL AREA, SO IT'S ACTUALLY 20 TO 30 FEET LOWER THAN THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
AND SO BUILDING UP, IF IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, WESTCHESTER PLAZA IS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S IN THE PD DISTRICT.
AND I JUST WANNA MENTION THEY CAN BUILD TO 40 FEET.
SO IF WE, THEY, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT 40 FEET, BUT IF THEY WERE TO BUILD TO THAT AMOUNT, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LEVEL WITH THAT BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE IMPACTS ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS
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THAN THEY SOUND.UH, SO AS I SAID, MY TEAM'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PROJECT AND WORKING WITH YOU.
THE, THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRIPLING THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING.
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE ACTIVITY ON THE SITE? IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE ACTIVITY OF THE SITE.
THERE WILL BE TWO TRAINING ROOMS THAT WILL BE PUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THEY EXPECT TO HAVE TRAINING ABOUT TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THEY NEED FROM FIVE PER DAY TO ABOUT 20.
UM, BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENS TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR.
OTHERWISE THEY ONLY REQUIRE FIVE SPACES DURING THE DAY, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE NO, NO INCREASE IN TRUCK TRUCKING.
IT'S A HUGE INCREASE IN THE WAREHOUSE FROM WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHERE YOU ARE NOW.
SO THERE'S NO INCREASE IN TRUCKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO I TOM BLAZE OR STEVE LAB.
ARE THEY ON THE LINE? YES, WE HAVE STEVE THERE.
I THINK HE'S, UH, MUTED RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WOULD NOT CHANGE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT KEEPING FIVE, MAYBE SIX MAXS THERE.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY A, IT'S GONNA BE A WAREHOUSE FOR THE ROOFTOP UNITS, THE, THESE, THESE LARGE ROOFTOP AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THE EXPLOSION IN CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEW YORK AREA, IT'S GONNA PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BRANCHES AND OUR BRANCHES ARE ESSENTIALLY 12,000 SQUARE FEET AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE TWO DRIVERS AND A COUPLE OF GUYS, TWO GUYS WORKING IN THE WAREHOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY FIVE, UM, EMPLOYEES THERE AT ALL TIMES.
UM, THE TRUCKING TRAFFICS IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, WOULD IT INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY? NO, IT WOULD NOT.
AND, UM, I WISH MY REGIONAL MANAGER TOM WAS HERE THAT COULD, TO GIVE YOU MORE OF THE DETAILS.
BUT, UM, OH, THAT'S SOMETHING IT, WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
I JUST, THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD LIKE ANSWERED IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE TRUCK TRUCK TRAFFIC.
WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR, THE HEIGHT OF OUR BUILDINGS IN, IN THIS ZONE.
WE BELIEVE WE WOULD LOVE THE HELP OF YOUR LAW FIRM IN GETTING US SOME INFORMATION IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE FOR SIMILAR ZONES IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
WHAT IS THE LAW AS WE LOOK TO CHANGE THE LAW.
SO IF PEOPLE AREN'T COMING FOR THIS KIND OF VARIANCE, OKAY, THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER THREE IS WE DID, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS SIMILAR EXERCISE, UH, WITH THE COCA-COLA BOTTLING, UH, COMPANY.
AND WHAT WE HAD THEM DO, AND WE'D LOVE YOU TO DO THE SAME THING, THEY ACTUALLY DID DRONE FLIGHTS IN THE AREA.
SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE SITE IMPACT IS ALL AROUND THE AREA.
AND I UNDERSTAND IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE THREE HOUSES THAT ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY CLOSE TO THIS, THIS FACILITY.
ONE, LOVE TO SEE THE SITE LINE FROM THERE, BUT TWO, I WANT YOU GUYS TO GO OUT AND TALK TO THEM TOO AND SEE, SEE WHAT THE REACTION IS.
LOOK, YOU'VE, WE GOTTA EITHER COME IN OR NOT.
IT'S BETTER TO KNOW EARLY ON AND SEE IF WE CAN MITIGATE WITH IT OTHER ISSUES THEY HAVE.
SO AARON CAN HELP YOU AND MATT CAN HELP YOU WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD CO KOCH DO WHEN THEY LIBERTY DO, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DID THAT, IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE IN US UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE VISUAL IMPACTS ARE.
'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, GIVEN THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW THE LAW IS THE LAW.
SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS FROM SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND WHY WE SHOULD GRANT A VARIANCE THAT'S TRIPLE OUR CURRENT HEIGHT.
WE, WE NEED A RATIONALE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A VAL IN A, IN A VALLEY A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE FACT THAT THE, THE NEXT ZONE OVER HAPPENS TO BE 40 FEET AND IT'S RIGHT THERE, THAT HELPS.
SO ANYTHING YOU CAN GIVE US TO HELP OUT WOULD BE, WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR US.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WE, WE WANT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE A COMMENT? QUESTIONS? YEAH, YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED RNA.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING IN TERMS OF GREEN ENERGY WITH THIS BUILDING? YES.
SO IT'LL BE ENERGY EFFICIENT WITH L
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E D LIGHTINGS.WE'RE PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
I LOVE THE FACT YOU'RE DOING IT
WALTER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
AND, AND LOOKING AT, COME BACK TO AT, AT, UM, SCHEMATIC AND YOUR DRAINAGE.
UH, YOU, THERE'S A LONG, UH, DRIVEWAY MM-HMM.
IS THERE PLANS TO PUT A CATCH BASIN FOR THE WATER COMING DOWN THE, UM, THE, THE DRIVEWAY? IF YOU, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA COME UP, COME UP TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
UM, BASICALLY THEY'RE, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? OH YEAH.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER CONSULTANT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA HERE, SO WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY RUNOFF AT ALL.
UH, AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THERE ARE SOME DRAINS IN THE AREA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, IT'S KIND OF A WATER SEEMS TO BE RUNNING A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
UM, BUT I CAN, UH, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY CHECKED TO SEE IF THERE'S A WORKING CATCH BASIN OR THERE IS A CATCH BASIN ON THE, CALL IT THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY ONE, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TAKING THE WATER FROM THIS DRIVEWAY.
ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES AS YOU ENTER THE LONG DRIVEWAY, WHICH I THINK IS SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
AS YOU EXTEND AND ALMOST GET INTO WHERE IT OPENS UP TO THE PARKING LOT AREA.
WE SAW A SLOT DRAIN OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF DRAIN.
BUT I THINK HE WAS ACROSS, NOT AT THE ROAD.
I'M POINTING OUT WHERE I, WHERE I SAW, OH YEAH.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANT THE TEAM TO EXPLORE ITS FUNCTIONALITY IF IT'S IN NEED OF UPGRADE OR MAINTENANCE AND REPORT THAT BACK TO THE BOARD.
BUT MY POINT WAS THAT SEEING HOW THAT DRIVEWAY'S ON THE SLOPE, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT NOW THAT YOU PLAN TO DO ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION AND ON THAT SITE, THAT MIGHT CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A CATCH BASIN AT THE SAWMILL RIVER END OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA FROM A 'CAUSE IT MAY BE RUNNING OFF INTO SOME, OVER A ROAD.
MARTY, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT THEN, CORRECT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
UM, I DID, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT SAME DRIVEWAY.
I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA CATCH MY COMMENT, BUT HE DIDN'T.
UM, THAT DRIVEWAY'S IN NOT SUCH GREAT SHAPE, QUITE FRANKLY, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANYTHING DONE WITH THAT DRIVEWAY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVEN'T SHOWN ANY, UH, ANY WORK IN THAT DRIVEWAY YET.
THERE'S DR THERE'S WORK IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO FIX THAT UP AT THE SAME TIME.
I HAVE TWO, UH, UH, ONE COMMENT, ONE QUESTION.
UH, IF THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS ABOUT 25 FEET HIGH.
AND IT HAS A, UH, UM, WAREHOUSE AND THE OFFICE TOGETHER AS I UNDERSTAND, OR IT'S JUST WAREHOUSE? THERE'S A SMALL OFFICE PART PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO EXPAND THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR? NO, NO, WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE FIRST FLOOR AT ALL.
BUT YOU'RE EXPANDING THE OFFICES IN THE FIRST FLOOR? OH YES.
I CAN DEFER TO JEFFREY JORDAN ON THAT IF HE'S, YEAH.
UH, THE OFFICES ARE, ARE, UH, EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
WE WON'T ACTUALLY BE CHANGING THE OFFICE CONFIGURATION AT ALL.
SO YOU HAVE A, UH, DOUBLE HEIGHT OFFICES WHEN YOU EXPAND THE OFFICE SPACE? NO, THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING OFFICES HAVE ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING HEIGHT AND UH, THERE'S JUST EMPTY SPACE ABOVE DROP CEILING.
WHERE DOES THE WAREHOUSE? THE WAREHOUSE IS WHAT? 20 CLEAR? UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 23 FEET CLEAR ON, ON THE INSIDE.
I MEAN ONE HEIGHT OFFICE SPACES RIGHT.
ON THE WHOLE, AND THE TOP TWO FLOORS ARE GONNA BE COMPLETELY WAREHOUSED 20 CLEAR EACH.
NOW, UH, REGARDING THE HEIGHT, UH,
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I THINK, UH, HUGH HAD A, UH, GOOD, GOOD SORT OF, UH, UH, QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, UH, EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE IT A 70 FEET HIGH BUILDINGS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW THAT YOUR BUILDING WOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT IF YOUR NEIGHBOR BUILDS ONLY THE, THE, UH, THE ALLOWED HEIGHT.BUT IF THEY DO THE SAME, COME BACK TO US AND SAY THE SAME THING, UH, WE WILL HAVE A, SO THE QUESTION IS THAT OUR COMMENT IS THAT YOU ARE SETTING UP A PRECEDENT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, JUST JUSTIFICATION FOR HAVING.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED, THEY NEED TO DO YEAH.
THEY NEED TO GIVE US A DIFFERENTIATION.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? AMANDA DID.
HE BROUGHT UP, UM, ABOUT TREES AND, AND DISCUSSING POSSIBLY PUTTING TREES ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IF THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO IT SINCE IT MIGHT BE A HIGHER ELEVATION, WHICH MIGHT PROVIDE TO TOM.
TOM MENTIONED THAT YESTERDAY, TOM.
COULD YOU, UH, GO THROUGH WHAT YOU MENTIONED YESTERDAY ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING TREES ON THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? YEAH.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ONE, UM, ONE OF THE SKETCHES THAT SHOWED THE HOUSE KIND OF NEXT TO THE BUILDING AND THEN I SAW THE BUILDING, WHICH IS 73 STORIES TALL AND IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME NEW TREES PLANTED, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ANYWHERE NEAR AS TALL AS THE BUILDING.
IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE OR HOUSES ARE STILL SEEING A LOT OF BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THOSE TREES ARE NOT GONNA SCREEN IT FROM THEM.
SO I WONDERED IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY TO PLANT, TO DO SOME PLANTINGS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE PROPERTIES TO UM, TO SCREEN TO CREATE SOME SCREENING FROM THE BUILDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LET ASK, LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.
IMPROVE VISUAL IMPACT, JUST FROM A SITE LINE POINT OF VIEW.
IT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO SCREEN OFF THE, THE, THE VIEW IS MM-HMM.
PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE NEIGHBOR AS YOU INDICATED.
WHICH ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
IT'S BETTER TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY EARLIER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? UH, THIS IS A VERY GOOD PROJECT.
UH, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS WE'VE DECLARED OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
SO FIGURE 30 DAYS IS PROBABLY WHEN YOU'D COME BACK TO US.
ROUGHLY APRIL, GIVE OR TAKE APRIL THE FIRST MEETING.
UM, SO TO BE DETERMINED, WE'RE GONNA CIRCULATE THAT LEAD AGENCY INTENT TO THE Z B A, NEW YORK STATE, D O T, POTENTIALLY OTHER INTERESTED OR INVOLVED AGENCIES OF COURSE.
AND THEN, UH, AS THOSE COME IN, WE'LL REPORT BACK.
WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM AND UH, WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE AN EARLY APRIL MEETING THAT WE'LL TARGET.
IT GIVES YOU TIME TO KIND OF AN ADDRESS.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT IS THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY THE GOOD NEWS IS WE JUST WENT THROUGH A SITUATION LIKE THIS MM-HMM.
SO THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO, IT GIVES YOU A TEMPLATE TO FOLLOW.
AND I THINK THAT COULD MAKE THINGS GO SMOOTHER.
'CAUSE OUR NEXT JOB WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY BECOME LEAVE AGENCY, DO SEEKER.
AND THEN YOU NEED TO GET ON THE ZONING BOARD SCHEDULE, WHICH MAYBE, MAYBE YOU COULD GET ON END OF APRIL.
MAYBE THAT WOULD MEAN WE'D HAVE TO, THAT WOULD WORK IF WE CAN DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY ON THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL.
UM, WELL THE PLANNING BOARD WILL, I BELIEVE, HAVE TWO MEETINGS BEFORE IN APRIL AHEAD OF THE CBA A MEETING THERE WAS, BECAUSE WE ALMOST ALWAYS DO.
SO I THINK WE'D BE IN GOOD POSITION.
IF YOU CAN GET YOUR, SO IF YOU CAN GET YOUR APPLICATION IN, IF WE COULD DO THAT, WE COULD DO, SEE, WE COULD DO SEEKER MIDDLE OF APRIL.
WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION TO THE Z B A.
SO ARE YOU ON FOR WE WERE PLANNING ON BEING ON MARCH 16TH.
THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THEY MAY, THEY MAY HEAR, BUT ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO IF THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH A PROJECT, THEY MAYBE MAY MAKE A DECISION QUICKER THAT WAY.
TO DO THAT TO, TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THIS VISUAL ANALYSIS WORK DONE AHEAD OF THAT MEETING.
WE SHOULD, DON'T WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? WE THEY WANT THE C B A'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION WITH WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEY CAN CAN'T, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T MAKE A DECISION BEFORE WE DO SEEKER ANYWAY.
DO YOU WANNA DO THAT? GO AHEAD.
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YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION OF FRONTAGE THIS SITE MM-HMM.UM, YOU KNEW THAT WAS COMING THIS YEAR.
YOU KNEW, YOU KNEW IT WAS COMING.
THERE IS A SECTION AS YOU MOVE NORTH, UM, AGAIN, YOU ONLY HAVE A SMALL PIECE THAT ACTUALLY HAS FRONTAGE.
BUT AS YOU MOVE NORTH TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD MM-HMM.
TELL HOW MANY FEET THAT CONNECTS UP TO A, UH, BUS STOP AT THE CORNER THERE.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO EXPLORE THE POTENTIAL FOR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS UP TO THAT INTERSECTION.
I DO DECENT WORK EVERY NOW AND KNOW
IT'S GOOD SEEING YOU, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN SOON.
DID WE, TOM, HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
YEAH, WE HAVE TO ADJOURN PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE HAVE ONE THING ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, WHICH IS PB 2222, WHICH IS THE SAUNDERS, UH, SUBDIVISION AND, UH, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUE AND NEED TO BE RESCHEDULED.
DO WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN YET OR NO? WE DO.
SO WE REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT TODAY.
THEY INDICATED THAT THEY'RE IN POSITION TO MAKE THEIR SUBMISSION ON MARCH 8TH WILL, WHICH WILL GIVE STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GET THE MATERIALS OUT TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF YOUR MARCH 15TH MEETING.
SO I, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING TONIGHT, THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
AND, AND MOVE IT TO, TO QUESTION PROCEDURE WISE.
DO WE HAVE TO OFFICIALLY OPEN IT THEN? OFFICIALLY CLOSE IT? OR WE COULD DO IT IN WORK.
CAN WE DO IT IN WORK SECTION? WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN.
FOR THIS? YEAH, FOR THE ADJOURN.
I DON'T SEE A REASON TO OPEN IT.
YOU GOT A NICE VIEW FROM THERE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING UP THERE.
DO WE NEED GUYS, DID I HAVE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ADJOURN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TILL MARCH 15TH, PLEASE.
OKAY, GO BACK TO YOUR PINA COLADA.
TOM, ARE YOU GONNA LAND BACK THE, UH, HOUR AND 25 MINUTES THAT YOU