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GOOD[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, March 15, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE LONG ANTICIPATED MARCH 15TH, 2023 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD.ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE GREENBURG CULTURAL CALENDAR.
I AM THE SUBSTITUTE CHAIRMAN FOR THE EVENING, FILLING IN FOR HUGH SCHWARTZ.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? SURE.
MS. F*G HERE AS WELL AS MR. DESAI.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE THREE ITEMS IN WORK SESSION, ONE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I BELIEVE ONLY ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, LET'S, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? NO.
OKAY, ON PAGE THREE, PARAGRAPH TWO, UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I ALSO MADE A COMMENT ABOUT SIGNAGE FOR THE CROSSING ABOUT, UM, THE WALKWAY WHEN, UM, UM, PEOPLE ARE WALKING OUT OF THE BUILDING, THE OFFICE BUILDING TOWARDS THE SLABS, THEY HAD AGREED TO PUT SOME SIGNAGE THERE AND I'D LIKE THAT ADDED INTO THE MINUTES THAT THERE WAS AGREEMENT TO PUT SIGNAGE.
MONA, WOULD YOU LIKE, AND THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE MEETING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE CALLED, UH, MRS. TTAG OR SHOULD IT STAY AS MR AS WELL,
WE WILL, UH, MAKE THOSE TWO CORRECTIONS AND NO ISSUE THERE FROM STAFF.
SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED? SO MOVED.
YOU GOT THOSE JOHANN AND NO, IS JOHANN AND LESLIE.
WHAT DOES HE SAY? ANY, UH, OBJECTIONS? ABSTENTIONS, OR WHAT'S THE OBJECTIONS? OBJECTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO ONE ITEM OF CORRESPONDENCE.
SO, UH, I'LL JUST BRING THAT UP BRIEFLY.
IT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH 10.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT AS THE CHOW SUBDIVISION CLAYTON ROAD.
UH, IT WAS A MEMORANDUM FROM THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
FOR THE RECORD STATES, IT'S IN RELATION TO THREE 15 NORTH CLAYTON ROAD AND BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES, OR STATES, PLEASE BE ADVISED, THE LOT AT THREE 15 NORTH CLAYTON ROAD IS A LEGAL PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
LOT MAY RECALL THAT AS THE FORMER POOL HOUSE.
UH, STRUCTURE THAT IS ON THAT LOT.
SO IT ALSO CONTAINS A PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING TENNIS COURT.
NO VARIANCES FOR THE LOT ARE, SHOULD SAY ARE REQUIRED AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
SHOULD ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS BE PROPOSED VARIANCES MAY BE REQUIRED THAT BECAUSE IT'S A NON-CONFORMING LOT, NO.
IT IS NOTED THAT A NON-CONFORMING PATIO THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ISSUED A PERMIT FOR ITS REMOVAL.
AND ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE ON THE INTERIOR REMODEL, A NEW CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WILL BE ISSUED FOR THE REMODEL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO RECITE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT, WHEN THE SUBDIVISION, THE CHOW SUBDIVISION WILL BE BACK.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY FILING A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH WILL GET CIRCULATED, SENT OUT AND REFERRED TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, WHICH MUST ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE IT REALLY COMES BACK TO THE PLANNING HEARING.
BUT THIS SIMPLIFIES IT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO INVOLVE THIS PROPERTY ANYMORE.
UM, FIRST CASE IS PB 2219 MCGURTY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE IT? SURE THING.
SO THIS EVENING WE HAVE THE MCGURTY PROJECT AND THAT'S, UM, FOR A PROPERTY AT FIVE HILLCREST AVENUE PO ARDSLEY NEW YORK.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE HAD THIS PROJECT BEFORE US PREVIOUSLY AND IT INVOLVES A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, A PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS, UM, SPLIT THE EXISTING LOT THAT HAS AN, UH, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON
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THE NEW LOT TO BE CREATED.UM, THEY DO PROPOSE THAT THE NEW LOT FRONT ON WHAT'S KNOWN AS CHESTNUT STREET, AND THAT'S A PRIVATE ROADWAY, WHICH WOULD BE IMPROVED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
RIGHT NOW IT'S PROPOSED FOR IMPROVEMENT.
IT WILL NOT BE BUILT TO THE FULL TOWN STANDARDS.
SO THE PROJECT DOES REQUIRE AN AREA OF VARIANCE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR LACKING FRONTAGE ON A ROADWAY AND PROVE TO TOWN STANDARDS.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY IS THE PLANNING BOARD DECLARED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY.
WE RECEIVED NO OBJECTIONS BACK.
SO FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, PLANNING BOARD CAN DECLARE ITSELF.
THE AGENCY STAFF IS PREPARED TO DRAFT SECRET DETERMINATION ON YOUR BEHALF.
SO YOU CAN CONSIDER NEGATIVE DECLARATION THIS EVENING.
AND THEN FURTHER, WITH RESPECT TO THAT AREA VARIANCE THAT I RECITED, YOU'LL WANT TO CONSIDER ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THE APPLICANT JUST FILED ITS APPLICATION WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS THIS AFTERNOON AND IS EXPECTED TO BE ON IN APRIL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER THOSE AND IF YOU, FOR ANY REASON WE'RE NOT TO ISSUE THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY DELAY ON THE APPLICANT'S BEHALF BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THEY GET ON.
WITH THE Z D A, WHAT'S THE VARIANCE? VARIANCE IS BECAUSE THE PROPOSED LOT IS THAT THE FRONTAGE ON A ROADWAY IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
AND HOW WIDE IS THIS WORK? IT'S PROPOSED TO BE 20 FEET.
UM, I CAN BRING UP THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WANTS TO ADD.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE 'CAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING OUT WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
AND I PARTICULARLY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO WE HAVE NICHOLAS SHARIA ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT FOR THE MAGGOTY PROJECT.
UH, NICHOLAS SHARIA WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING.
UM, DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN TO SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE PLAN? YES, IF YOU WOULD.
UM, SO, UH, JUST GOING BACK, UH, TO LAST MEETING, UM, I KNOW YOU, YOU NEEDED, UH, SOME MORE EXPLANATION, SOME MORE DETAIL ON THE STORMWATER PLAN.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A CONNECTION FROM THE ATTENUATION GALLERY, UH, ON THE LOT.
THAT WAS THE COLLECTION POINT FOR ALL THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, UH, PROPOSED ON THE SUBDIVIDED LOT AND IT WAS BEING PUMPED UP TO A CATCH BASIN ON THE, UH, HILLCREST AVENUE, UH, CORNER OF CHESTNUT IN HILL IN HILLCREST.
UM, WE HAVE REVISED THIS, UH, NOW TO SHOW A CONNECTION AT THE PROPOSED, UH, MANHOLE STRUCTURE, UH, THAT WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE STORMWATER FOR THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT ON CHESTNUT.
UM, THIS JUST, UH, CREATES LESS DISTURBANCE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, FOR ANY CONNECTION THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR STORMWATER.
AND IT'S JUST A LOT MORE FEASIBLE TO BUILD, UM, THIS, UH, THE, THE DRAINAGE THIS WAY.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, AARON, AND HE DID RECOMMEND THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GO, IS TO CONNECT AT THIS POINT HERE.
UM, SHOWN, UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME CONSIDERATION AND SOME REVISIONS BEING DONE, UH, TO THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS FOR CHESTNUT STREET.
UM, THE ENGINEER FOR MR. BOTTO, WHO IS THE OWNER FOR THE, UM, SPRINGWOOD PARCEL, UH, IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON REVISING THIS LAYOUT FOR THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT THE WAY THE, UH, THE, THE ATTENUATION PIPE HERE THAT WOULD BE COLLECTING RUNOFF IN THE STREET, UM, WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO, TO CON CONSTRUCT THE WAY IT IS NOW.
UM, THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT SHORING AND, YOU KNOW, UM, EXCESSIVE, UH, EXCAVATING, BUT IF, UH, IF IT'S REORIENTED TO BE IN LINE WITH SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, UM, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE, UH, THE NEED TO FOR SURE.
AND, UH, EXCAVATING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DEEPER THAN NECESSARY.
SO, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, MR. BALLATO'S ENGINEER IS WORKING ON THOSE REVISIONS AND AS SOON AS HE HAS, UM, FINISHED OR YOU FINISHED THOSE REVISIONS, UM, I'LL BE ADDING THAT TO MY PLAN AS WELL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, OUR PLAN IS TO CONNECT TO THIS CATCH BASIN, WHICH LEADS TO A LEVEL SPREADER.
UM, ON THE, THIS, UH, AREA, UM, I GUESS IT'S ON A MAP ON MAPPED STREET, UH, BEHIND SPRINGWOOD.
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FOR OVERFLOW? 'CAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'RETHAT IS, THAT IS JUST FOR OVERFLOW.
UM, THE, THE ATTENUATION SYSTEM THAT WE, UH, THAT WE'VE DESIGNED FOR THE, FOR THE SUBDIVIDED LOT, UH, CAN CONTROL STORMS UP TO THE 50 YEAR INSTALL.
AND THOSE ARE UNDER THE DRIVEWAY.
WHAT ARE THOSE UNITS? YES, CORRECT.
LET ME GO TO MY STORMWATER PLAN.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, 60 LINEAR FEET OF 42 INCH PIPE.
UM, BASICALLY THE, THE ALL ALL, SORRY, ALL IMPERVIOUS AREAS ARE DISCHARGED TO THIS LOCATION AND THROUGH MULTI-STAGE ORIFICES, UM, THEY'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTROL THE FLOW OF STORMWATER, UH, FOR UP TO THE 50 YEAR STORM.
UM, AT THAT POINT, UH, IF IT WILL OVERFLOW OR DISCHARGE INTO A CATCH, SORRY, INTO A MANHOLE AT THE CORNER HERE, WHICH WILL THEN CROSS THE STREET ON CHESTNUT AND OVERFLOW INTO, UH, TO THAT LEVEL SPREADER THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, BEHIND, UH, SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AFTER WALTER, IS THAT A PRIVATE ROAD? HOW WILL THAT BE MAINTAINED? IS THERE A H O A BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD? SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I I DON'T HAVE CLEAR, UH, A CLEAR, UM, PICTURE OF HOW THEY'RE MAINTAINING IT.
I KNOW THAT MR. BARTO AND MR. MCCORDY IS WORKING ON SOMETHING TO MAINTAIN, UH, THE ROADWAY AND ALL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE AN H O A AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO DEDICATE THE ROAD, UM, AS THEY WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN IT.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN THE PROCESS, BUT, UH, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON, ON WHAT THE DETAILS ARE ON THAT.
BECAUSE, UH, UH, THE SANITATION TRUCKS, THEY STILL GET, UH, PUBLIC, UH, YES.
SO THAT'S RIGHT THERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME MEANS OF KEEPING THAT ROAD CLEAR CORRECT.
IF THEY EXPECT, UH, UH, THE GARBAGE TO BE TAKEN AWAY.
AND FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES AS WELL AND FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, EMERGENCY SERVICES, TRASH PICKUP, ALSO CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO AT A MAXIMUM PERMITTING ONLY ONE SIDE STREET PARKING.
SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WANT TO DISCUSS AS THIS PROJECT ADVANCES THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
IT, IT'S ONE WAY, RIGHT? IT'S A TWO-WAY PRIVATE ROAD, BUT YOU MAY RECALL FOR THOSE THAT WERE ON THE BOARD, THE VAN COTT AVENUE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WAS A NARROW TE BOW, WHICH WAS NARROWED DOWN TO A 20 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY.
AND AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT PLANNING BOARD CONDITION, THAT THERE ONLY BE ON STREET PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET SIDE, THE STREET MM-HMM.
T HOW MANY HOUSES ARE ON THE STREET.
UM, SO THERE'S CURRENTLY, THERE'S ONE HOUSE, UH, FACING ON CHESTNUT STREET.
THERE'S THIS HOUSE, UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOUR PROPOSED HOUSE.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, I BELIEVE THE ADDRESS IS, UH, I THINK IT'S 1 0 5 INCLUDED.
I'M NOT SURE MR. SHARA, THERE IS ACTUALLY ONE OTHER HOUSE.
SO AS YOU NAVIGATE THROUGH, UM, CHESTNUT AND MM-HMM.
SO THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE THERE NOW.
SO IT WOULD, IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION WITH MR. ALTOS, WHICH HAS A KIND OF DRIVEWAY GOING INTO A VACANT LOT THAT SAYS SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, THAT'S A HOME TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
YOU'VE GOT THE EXISTING 1 0 5, YOU'VE GOT ONE HILLCREST, AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UH, LOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SUPPLEMENT.
SO 4 4, 4 4 IS PROBABLY THE MAX.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL MAYBE FOR ONE.
OH, SORRY WALTER, YOU'RE NOT DONE.
UH, THAT STREET, IT JUST CRIES OUT FOR A, A, A STREET THAT MADE THE TOWN CODE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THESE STREETS COME IN AND THEN YOU COME INTO THIS LITTLE NARROW STREET.
SOME OF 'EM ARE PAPER STREETS THOUGH THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
THAT'S LIKE THAT BRANCH YOU SEE.
SO IF I WAS THE DIAGONAL TO THE RIGHT ROADWAY, IT IS
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A PAPER STREET THAT'S A PAPER STREET.AND THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IMMEDIATE TO THE RIGHT IS A PAPER STREET.
IT DEAD ENDS FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT'S, IT, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ON PAPER THEY DON'T REALLY COME TO THAT POINT IN A CONNECTOR.
THERE IS ALSO, I THINK ONE OR TWO OTHER STREETS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY UNDERSIZED IN THE AREA.
THOSE PAPER STREETS, I THINK YOU COULD MIGHT BE 21.
AND I WILL SAY THAT, UH, THE POTENTIAL TO BUILD IT OUT TO A TOWN STANDARD WAS REVIEWED, DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT, AND REVIEWED, UH, BOTH BY THE CLIENT AND THE NEIGHBOR, MR. BOTTO.
ULTIMATELY THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD SEEK TO KEEP IT AS 20 FOOT WIDE.
ANYTHING ELSE, WALTER? THAT'S IT.
CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, MY QUESTIONS RELATED TO WHAT, UH, UH, RA HAS, AND I AGREE THAT I LIVE DOWN THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, ONE OF FIVE GLIDE.
UH, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT FOUR LOTS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND SO IT WOULD BE A, UH, ADVISABLE TO TOWN TO ASK APPLICANT TO CONSIDER MAKING IT A TOWN, UH, UH, CONFORMING STREET.
AND ALSO THE SPRINGWOOD THE STREET SORT OF, UH, COMES UP TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING AND I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE EXTENDED TO, UH, 1 0 5 EUCLID AVENUE, UH, HAS A, UH, LARGE, LARGE SIZE LOT AND THEY, UH, THEY ARE PLA UH, THEY HAVE IT ALREADY.
I THINK A PLAN FOR TWO, UH, TWO HOUSES OR TWO LOTS WILL BE DONE ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SEVEN POINT FILE.
UH, OUR SEVEN FILE, SEVEN POINT FILE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KIND OF, UH, ASK, UH, UH, APPLICANT TO CONSIDER IT.
AND, UH, WHEN THE SPRINGWOOD APPLICANTS COME FOR BUILDING HOUSES, WE CAN ASK THEM TO COMPLETE THAT ROAD, WHICH WILL BE A, UH, UH, KIND OF GOES TO COUPLE OF HOUSES BEYOND 1 27 OR 1, 1 0 5.
UM, AND WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THIS PAPER STREET? IT'S TOWN HAS REMOVED IT OR HOW DOES IT WORK, AARON? IT'S, SO, IT'S, UH, IT'S OWNED, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WHEN MR. BA BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, YEARS AGO, OVER 10 YEARS AGO, UH, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT AMONGST THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAD FRONTAGE ON THE CHESTNUT STREET.
UM, SO IT IS NOT A TOWN OWNED PAPER STREET.
I THINK THAT IS THE SIMPLE WAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
THERE'S BEEN AN AGREEMENT, THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE A ROAD CONSTRUCTED.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS ISSUED AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY IT WOULD BE CROSSING THROUGH PORTIONS OF PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST RIGHTS TO.
UM, NO OBJECTION AT THAT POINT.
AND NO OBJECTION AT THIS POINT.
AND THIS CHESTNUT STREET DEAD END, ESSENTIALLY, IS THERE NO OUTLET? CURRENTLY? YES.
ONCE YOU GO DOWN THERE, THERE'S NO OUTLET AND IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, UM, WHILE IT WON'T JUST DEAD END, UM, YOU KNOW, AT A STUB, THERE'LL BE KIND OF A WIDE AREA, NOT A FULL CUL-DE-SAC SO TO SPEAK.
BUT THAT WAS THE APPROVED DESIGN AND CONNECTION WITH THE BOTTLE AUTO PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, POLICE FIRE D P W ARE OKAY WITH IT AS DESIGNED.
AND THIS APPLICANT IS MERELY SEEKING TO TIE INTO THAT ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT TO BE BUILT.
AND COR, IT, IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT AND WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES ABOUT EXPANDING IT, IT WAS DECIDED NOT TO.
I DON'T KNOW OF THE DETAILS ON THAT, BUT I KNOW IT WAS EXPLORED, CORRECT, YES.
BUT CONSIDERING THAT THE CREATING THIS, UH, NOT VERY UH, UH, NICE DATE, NICE TURNAROUND, WHICH WE USUALLY REQUIRE FROM MOST OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, AND APPARENTLY I, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ALL THESE AGENCY FIRE AND SANITATION AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THIS LOOKS VERY SUBSTANDARD TURNAROUND.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? MONA? CAN'T SEE YOU.
I'M ALSO NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE ALLOWING THESE PAPER STREETS NOT TO BE CONFORMED TO FULL TOWN STANDARDS.
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WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET CONFORMITY HERE AND WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.SO ULTIMATELY, LET ME KIND OF EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU.
AND FOR THE, AND FOR THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, THE BATTLE AUTO PROJECT WAS APPROVED AND MR. BOTTO GOT A VARIANCE TO BUILD THE ROAD ONLY TO 20 FEET IN WIDTH.
THIS APPLICANT SEEKS TO OBTAIN THE SAME VARIANCE THIS APPLICANT SEEKS TO OBTAIN THE SAME VARIANCE AS MR. BOTTO DID.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THE PLANNING BOARD'S GOING TO BE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF STARTING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RELATED TO THE VARIANCE THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO FRONT THIS LOT ON A PRIVATE ROAD, NOT BUILT OUT TO THE FULL TOWN STANDARD.
SO, SO WE ARE GOING TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION NOT LIKING IT, OR WE GOING TO SAY IT'S OKAY? WELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE ROOM PROBABLY AND DECIDE WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO DO BEFORE THAT IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS.
IF IT IS A FILE FOR WHATEVER REASON IT WAS APPROVED, I THINK IT'S A KIND OF AN HOUR OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THAT, UH, UH, SUBSTANDARD STREET TO A MR. SHRI
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THAT ALL THE TIME.
I WELL, BUT LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
IF MR. BOTTO GOT APPROVAL AND GOT A VARIANCE, I MEAN, IS IT LEGAL TO GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, I'M SORRY, WE'RE OVERTURNING THAT NOW? NO, NO.
SO THE ROAD IS GONNA BE 20 FEET.
RIGHT? THE ROAD IS GOING TO, WHAT WOULD JUST KIND OF PLAYING IT OUT A LITTLE BIT.
THE ROAD CAN TODAY BE BUILT TO 20 FEET AND MR. BALLATO CAN BUILD HIS HOME AND HAVE HIS DRIVEWAY OFF THIS ROADWAY.
MR. MCG GORDY, WHO HAS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD.
IF HE'S DENIED THE VARIANCE, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S THEN HE MAY HAVE TO PROPOSE TO WIDEN THE ROAD OUT TO 26 FEET AND ONLY A PORTION OF IT LOT.
THERE'S ONLY A, ONLY HIS FRONTAGE, IT'S THE TOP POT.
LOT'S AT THE TOP KIND OF WITH THAT DRIVEWAY THAT DOESN'T GO TO A HOUSE.
CAN WE SEE A DIFFERENT IMAGE THAT DOESN'T SHOW ALL THE PAPER STREETS MR. SHARIA COULD SHOW LIKE THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT LAND.
UH, JUST, JUST IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED.
YOU HAD TWO OTHER PAPER STREETS LEADING INTO THAT ONE, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND THEY'RE 20 FEET WIDE AS WELL.
NO, THEY'RE, THERE'S, THERE'RE LESS THAN, IT'S IN THE AREA.
EUCLID IS 21 FEET IN CERTAIN PARTS.
THERE'S OTHER ROADS IN THE AREA THAT ARE SMALLER, SMALLER THAN THE STANDARD.
THERE'S THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE LENGTH AND THE OUTLET.
WHEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE WANT SOMETHING TO CONFORM, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THE STREET IS, UH, IT'S, THEY WANT IT TO BE 20 FEET, BUT IT'S UM, A HUNDRED YARDS LONG, RIGHT? AND YOU SAY, OKAY, THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE CONFORMED, BUT A STREET THAT'S ONLY 50 YARDS AND IS A DEAD END MAYBE NOT DO OR DOES, IS IT ONE ALL OR NOTHING? YOU MEAN AS A STANDARD? YEAH.
SO I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO DISTINGUISH THEM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT REASONS.
SO MAYBE ONE HAS AN EXTREME GRADE AND YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PUT A, UH, A GUARDRAIL IN AND YOU KNOW YOU NEED THE WIDTH THERE TO MAKE IT IT SAFER.
BUT JUST SAYING IT'S 'CAUSE ONE'S LONGER OR NOT.
IT, IT'D PROBABLY BE OR DEAD END OR NOT.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO DISTINGUISH WHY ONE NEEDS TO BE WIDER THAN THE OTHER.
SO CHESTNUT IS 20 FEET, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE, WILL BE 20 FEET.
WE'LL GET THROUGH THE AND HOW LONG IS IT? THE SECRET STUFF? AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING ALL THE TIME ON THIS RECOMMENDATION.
CAN WE, CAN WE MOVE ON? UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION IN A SECOND.
I UNDERSTAND WE GAVE IT TO THE BOTTLE AUTOS AND NOW WE CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY TO THE MAGOR, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING THE NAME RIGHT.
MCG GORDY'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.
WHEN WE GAVE IT TO THE BOTTLE AUTOS, WHAT I AM SAYING IS MOVING FORWARD, I THINK WE HAVE TO RETHINK THIS WITH THESE PAPER STREETS WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS RIGHT.
IN THIS CASE, WE CAN'T, WE GAVE IT TO ONE, WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE OTHER AND THE STREET.
BUT YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WE HAVE TO RETHINK THIS.
WE CAN'T JUST KEEP, YOU KNOW, LEAVING THESE PAPER STREETS.
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WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM CONFORM TO REAL STREETS.IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT.
BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO RETHINK THIS AND STOP THESE PAPER STREETS AND START MAKING THEM CONFORM SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH WITH THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, WE CAN GET THROUGH WITH SANITATION AND STOP ALLOWING ALL THESE PAPER STREETS IN THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU MEAN PRI PRIVATE ROADS? 'CAUSE PAPER STREETS ARE JUST, JUST PROPOSED ON PAPER.
AND, AND LIKE, LET'S START GETTING PEOPLE, WHEN THEY START MAKING, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THINGS TO THEIR PROPERTIES, LET THEM, YOU KNOW, BRING THE PAPER STREETS TO CONFORM TO REAL STREETS IN THE TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM RIGHT INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE LIKE THIS ONE, IF WE HAD DONE IT WITH THE BOTTLE AUTOS, THEN NOW WITH THIS PROPERTY, WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED WITH A STREET AND MADE IT RIGHT.
I I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, MONA, BETWEEN PAPER STREETS AND PRIVATE STREETS.
AND I, I CAN'T PRIVATE STREETS.
MAYBE ONE OF YOU TWO CAN, I THINK YOUR WHOLE POINT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS YOU WANNA AVOID GRANTING OR RECOMMENDING GRANTING VARIANCES TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR THIS TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT OF A SUBDIVISION OR ANOTHER LOT THAT'S NOT ON A TOWN STANDARD ROAD.
SO IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE STATE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT DEDICATED TO THE TOWN.
'CAUSE IT'S SUBSTANDARD, RIGHT? YES.
UM, THERE ARE THREE THINGS I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY.
SO CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY? SO MOVE SECOND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? IT PASSES A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SECRA HAS BEEN PREPARED.
DO YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING TO BE SAID ABOUT IT? NO, NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
PUT IN THE STANDARD LANGUAGE RELATED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, FLOODING AND DRAINAGE IMPACT ON LAND.
ALL THE STANDARD, UM, ITEMS THAT WE WOULD SEE IN A TYPICAL N DECK.
VERY GOOD ON LOTS OF, IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION.
CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO, UM, DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SECRET? SO MOVED.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES NOW THE THORNY PART.
YOU AH, YOU CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEEDED TO CLASSIFY THE PROJECT AS AN UNLISTED ACTION, WHICH WE DID AND THAT'S GREAT.
AND NOW WE CAN VOTE TO THE BOARD CAN VOTE TO ISSUE OR CONSIDER THE ISSUANCE OF THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION SOME OF THE SECOND.
MICHAEL AND WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THANK YOU.
NOW WE GET, WE SHOULD GO AROUND THE TABLE.
YEAH, I MEAN, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY GRANTED AS 20 FEET FOR MR. BATO, WE'RE ADDING ONE HOME TO THAT.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS A HUGE DIFFERENCE AND I DON'T WANNA REOPEN THE CAN OF WORMS AT THIS POINT.
I WOULD VOTE TO, UM, GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCE.
OH, WHO, WHO AGREES I GUESS WITH THAT? NO.
WELL, NO, I, I'D LIKE TO STATE THE REASONS FOR THE RECORD IN CASE WE APPROVE IT.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS SAY 20 FEET IS OKAY.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF ROADS IN THE AREA THAT ARE 20 FEET, 21 FEET.
UM, I DON'T LIKE WIDE ROADS BECAUSE THAT'S MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO IF WE CAN KEEP 'EM NARROWER, BUT STILL EFFICIENT, THAT'S GOOD.
AND THE WAY TO KEEP IT EFFICIENT IS TO PROHIBIT PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
FURTHERMORE, THERE WON'T BE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S NO OUTLET.
I GOT A 16 FOOT WIDE STREET, WHICH DEAD ENDS IN MY HOUSE.
ALL KINDS OF DELIVERY TRUCKS, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WORKS.
AND FINALLY, TOWN STANDARD, SUBSTANDARD OVER STANDARD.
MAYBE 16 FEET IS PERFECT FOR STILL ONLY CLOSE.
THERE'S NOTHING MAGIC ABOUT 26 FEET.
ANYONE HAVE AN OPPOSING POSITION? WALTER? YEAH, I I WOULD GO FOR NEUTRAL.
UH, FOR, UH, GRANTED, UH, THE POINTS THAT, UH, MICHAEL MADE, UH, I STILL BELIEVE THAT,
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UH, UH, AND MICHAEL, YOU, YOU I'VE BEEN THROUGH YOUR HOUSE, YOU CAN GET THERE, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY.IT'S A CHALLENGE AND YOU'RE OUT TO IT AND YOU MADE IT.
DID YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT? IT'S SLOW.
BUT, AND CURVES, BUT YEAH, BUT IN, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I I I I THINK THERE'S UH, UH, I RATHER GO FOR NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I DO FEEL, UH, THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO STANDARDIZE THESE ROADS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION.
BUT I THINK, UH, UH, I CAN'T SEE PLACING A NEGATIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE APPLICANT.
BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO GO THE OTHER ROUTE AND MAKE IT POSITIVE.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MICHAEL SAID.
LESLIE? UH, LIKEWISE, I AGREE WITH MIKE AND I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK IF WE ARE GONNA CONSIDER, I I THE 26TH, I DON'T BELIEVE IS A MAGIC.
I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHERE IT'S BEING APPLIED FOR THE FUTURE.
I HAD TROUBLE GETTING OUT OF MICHAEL'S STREET,
I HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY TAKE MY CAR AND TURN IT AROUND.
NOW, YOU KNOW, NARROW IS REALLY NARROW AND I, YOU KNOW, SO YOU FIRST I'M WALTER, I'M, I'M, I'M NEUTRAL ON THIS ONE.
ONE NEUTRAL, CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, I'M SAYING THE BOARD IS, UH, UH, KIND OF, UH, LOOKING AT IT, SORT OF WHAT'S EXISTING AND JUST MAKE IT, UH, MAKE IT SORT OF AS GOOD AS EXISTING.
UH, MY TAKE IS THAT THEY HAVE A REASON FOR HAVING A 26 FEET, UH, WIDE ROAD.
MICHAEL, THERE IS A, THERE IS ENGINEERING STANDARDS, THERE IS A TRAFFIC STUDIES, AND THAT'S HOW THEY CAME TO THIS NUMBER 26.
IT WAS DONE WITH A LOT OF RESEARCH AND A LOT OF THINGS.
UH, SO WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL NOT SAYING THAT, UH, 26 IS NOT, NOT REALLY IMPORTANT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, IF WE START DOING THIS, UH, BAD PRECEDENCE TO FOLLOW, WHERE DO WE END? WHERE DO WE STOP? SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS NEGATIVE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SO MOVED AS AS STATED WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, POSITIONS STATED PREVIOUSLY.
I, I THINK WE LOOK, I THINK WE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE THE ZONING BOARD OF REASONS.
AND I, I THINK YOU LAYING THEM OUT.
ALRIGHT, YOU, YOU MADE THE MOTION.
THAT'S FOR, UH, OBJECT OR OPPOSED? NO, NOT OBJECT.
SO NEUTRAL WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ABSTENTION FROM A POSITIVE.
THAT IT MAKES, UH, HOW WOULD YOU, YEAH, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY ON A SPLIT VOTE IS ON A MOTION MADE BY MICHAEL, SECONDED BY JOHANN WITH FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR? YEAH.
AND JUST LEAVE TOO NEUTRAL AND NEGATIVE.
THAT'S NEUTRAL AND ONE OPPOSED.
YEAH, THAT'S OKAY IF THAT, THAT'S FINE, MONA.
SO YOU WOULD BE NEUTRAL? YEAH, I'LL BE NEUTRAL.
SO
WE WILL FORWARD THAT ALONG TO BOTH YOU AND YOUR TEAM AS WELL AS THE ZONING BOARD.
AND I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEKING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR THAT APRIL MEETING.
AFTER YOU MOVE THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD, THEN YOU'LL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT CASE IS PB 2227, LIBERTY COCA-COLA.
WE COULD PROBABLY TURN ON THE LIGHTS OR UNLESS YOU WANNA LEAVE THEM.
DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW? OKAY, I'M SORRY.
BEFORE THE APPLICANT SPEAKS, CAN WE GO THROUGH WHAT YES.
ACTIONS WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING? YES.
SO AGAIN, PB 2227, LIBERTY, COCA-COLA ONE 11 FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE, THAT'S PO ELMSFORD, NEW YORK.
UH, THE APPLICANTS APPLIED FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, INVOLVING
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THE PROPOSED IMPLEMENTATION OF A SUSTAINABLE ENERGY PROJECT THAT WOULD ENABLE THE EXISTING ONSITE COCA-COLA BOTTLING PLANT TO GENERATE ITS OWN ELECTRICAL POWER ALONG WITH THERMAL AND COOLING ENERGY THROUGH THE UTILIZATION OF QUAD GENERATION TECHNOLOGY.UM, WON'T GET INTO MUCH MORE THAN THAT, LEAVE THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, WE'VE HAD THIS APPLICANT BEFORE US BEFORE THERE WERE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, AND CONCERNS RAISED.
INITIALLY, THE APPLICANT CAME BACK MM-HMM.
IT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
IT REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF CERTAIN, UM, OF THE TOWERS, CERTAIN TOWERS.
UM, IT ELIMINATED THE NEED FOR AN OFF STREET PARKING VARIANCE.
AND, UM, PREVIOUSLY THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS THE AGENCY BECAUSE THERE ARE VARIANCES, UM, THAT WAS CIRCULATED.
NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S INTENT ARE ISSUED BY ANY INVOLVED OR INTERESTED AGENCIES.
SO STAFF PREPARED A DRAFT SEIZURE DETERMINATION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING PROJECT DOES AND WAS PRELIMINARILY CLASSIFIED AS A
SO VOTE, CONSIDER VOTING ON THAT AS WELL.
FIRST BEFORE CONSIDERING THE SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON THE VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
UNLIKE THE PRIOR PROJECT, WHICH IS LIKELY NOT ON UNTIL NEXT MONTH, COCA-COLA IS ON TOMORROW EVENING WITH THE ZONING COURT OF APPEALS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL THIS.
BUT I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FOR A FEW MOMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD COORDINATION, UM, BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S TEAM, TOWN STAFF, THE ELMSFORD FIRE DISTRICT, AND THE CONSULTANT ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DISTRICT.
SO IT'S, AND THERE ARE NO PAPER STREETS OR PRIVATE STREETS INVOLVED.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF SARAH AND STEIN METZ ON BEHALF OF LIBERTY COCA-COLA.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY DAVID STEIN METZ COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT HE WILL BE AT THE ZONING BOARD MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, HERE WITH ME TONIGHT IS DYLAN PENN FROM, OH, THIS SHOULD BE A BUTTON.
SHOULD I START OVER? IF YOU GET OKAY,
MY NAME IS CASEY BRENNER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ZAIN AND STEINMETZ REPRESENTING LIBERTY COCA-COLA.
UM, HERE WITH ME TONIGHT IS DYLAN PENN FROM LIBERTY COKE, UH, AS WELL AS MARK JORDANO, I BELIEVE.
UH, ROBERT WALSH IS ON THE ZOOM.
UH, AND HE'S READY TO, TO SHARE PLANS AS NECESSARY, UH, AND GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW IN A MOMENT.
UM, AS AARON MENTIONED, WE ARE ON TOMORROW NIGHT'S ZONING BOARD AGENDA IN CONNECTION WITH OUR VARIANCE APPLICATION.
UH, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THAT YOUR BOARD CONSIDER ADOPTING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION TO COMPLETE CCRA AS WELL AS ISSUE YOUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, OUR TEAM HAS RESPONDED TO YOUR BOARDS AND THE TOWN'S CONSULTANTS, PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT, FIRE ISSUES, ET CETERA.
UM, AND WE COMPLETED A REVISED SUBMISSION IN ADVANCE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
ROBERT WALSH, UH, WHO IS ON THE ZOOM, CAN, CAN NOW GIVE JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THIS SUBMISSION.
UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOUR BOARD MIGHT HAVE.
I'M GONNA TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS, ROB.
IF YOU NEED ME TO SHARE, I CAN SHARE.
YOU CAN JUST POINT ME TO WHICH DRAWINGS YOU MIGHT WANT ME TO.
I, I ALSO HAVE MY LAPTOP AS A BACKUP, BUT I I ASSUME YOU HAVE THE SAME, IS THERE A PARTICULAR SHEET? DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TO THE MOST RECENT FULL PLAN? YES, I THINK ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE REFERRED TO.
IF YOU COULD, UH, BRING UP THAT REVISED DRAWING, C ZERO 3.2, WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
UH, IT WAS CALLED THE FIRE OR FIRE TRUCK, OR EMERGENCY VEHICLE CIRCULATION PLANT.
SO, UH, WE HAD RECEIVED THE FEBRUARY 24TH
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LABEL ASSOCIATES, UH, THE FIRE CONSULTANT FOR THE TOWN.AND I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, COMMENTS KIND OF QUICKLY.
THERE, THERE WERE PRETTY BASIC COMMENTS AND I THINK WE ADDRESSED THEM, UH, PRETTY WELL.
UH, COMMENT NUMBER ONE WAS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED EQUIPMENT PANEL, UH, PAD, UH, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT OF THE DRAWING.
WE HAD SHOWED THE, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE PATH COMING IN OFF OF PARK, UH, FAIRVIEW PARK, DRIVE UP THE DRIVEWAY AND CIRCULATING AROUND, UH, COUNTERCLOCKWISE AND JUST TERMINATING AT THAT LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE A 35 FOOT DIMENSION THERE.
AND WE DIDN'T, UH, DO THE BACKUP MANEUVER BECAUSE WE HAVE A SEPARATE PLAN THAT SHOWED THAT THOSE LOADING DOCKS THAT ARE TO THE NORTH OR TO THE LEFT OF THAT TRUCK MANEUVER IS, UH, COM OPERATES COMPLETELY, UH, UNTO ITSELF WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH THE PAD.
BUT, UH, THE CONCERN WAS, WAS THERE ADEQUATE ROOM FOR TURNING AROUND? AND WHAT I DID WAS I ADDED THAT BACKUP MANEUVER, AND I ALSO ADDED THOSE TRAILERS THAT ARE JUST DOWN THE PAGE, UH, ILLUSTRATED THAT THOSE TRAILERS WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE.
THERE'S CURRENTLY TRAILERS IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW PAD, WHICH ARE GONNA BE REMOVED AND PERMANENTLY REMOVED FROM THE SITE.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE PATH, THE VEHICLE PATH THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE, UH, AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UH, THAT WAS BASICALLY QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
UH, OR EXCUSE ME, COMMENT NUMBER ONE.
AND I'M JUST GONNA LEAP AHEAD TO IF YOU CAN EXPAND VIEW EXTENTS THERE.
UM, AND IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, AND I'M GONNA JUMP TO ONE OF THEIR COMMENTS THEY MADE WAS COMMENT NUMBER FIVE WHERE I, I HATE TO BRING UP THE, THE ISSUE OF 20 FOOT DRIVEWAYS VERSUS 26 FOOT DRIVEWAYS
BUT IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER IS AN EXTRACTION, UH, AN EXHIBIT FROM THE NEW YORK FIRE CODE, WHICH IS BASICALLY TAKEN FROM THE N F P A CODE WHEREIN, UH, MUNICIPALITIES OR APPROVING AGENCIES, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A FIRE LANE 26 FOOT FOOT, UH, WIDE, WHERE THERE ARE HYDRANTS PLACED ALONG THAT LANE.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THOSE EXHIBITS, ALL OF THE H EXCEPT FOR THE UPPER RIGHT HAND EXHIBIT WHERE IT SAYS MINIMUM CLEARANCE AROUND THE FIRE HYDRANT, ALL OF THESE, UH, DRIVEWAY WIDTHS ARE 20 FEET WIDE, WHICH IS THE N F P A STANDARD.
SO TO THAT END, WE PUT THIS UP HERE FOR PURPOSES TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THE HAMMER, THE ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, WAS THE ONE THAT WE WERE UTILIZING TO SERVICE THE PAD, UH, THAT'LL BE PLACED ON THE SITE.
ADDITIONALLY, IN COMMENT NUMBER FIVE, IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND OUT, WE ADDED DIMENSIONS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS LIKE THE NORTH ENTRANCE TO THE CUL-DE-SAC FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC.
WE PUT A DIMENSION ON THERE THAT IS, SHOWS THAT THERE'S 26 FOOT CLEARANCE, ALTHOUGH I THINK IT WOULD BE ADEQUATE IF IT WAS 20 FEET.
AND THEN WE DID IT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE LOWER LEFT.
WE SHOWED A 26 FOOT CLEAR DISTANCE THERE.
AND THEN OVER AT THE, UM, THE ACTUAL HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND, WE SHOWED A DISTANCE OF, UH, I THINK IT'S 38 FEET.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF, UH, FAIRVIEW PARK ROAD, KIND OF TO THE UPPER LEFT OF THE DRAWING WE JUST SHOWED THE PAVEMENT WITH.
AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT GREATLY EXCEEDED 26 FEET.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE ISSUES REGARDING VEHICLE CIRCULATION.
NOW, THE OTHER ASPECT WAS FROM OUR PRIOR PLAN, WE DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING, UH, THE FULL UNDERGROUND WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM LAYOUT OR THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM FOR THE BUILDING.
BUT WE HAVE SINCE, UH, BASED ON OUR FIELD VISITS, UH, UTILITY MARK OUTS AND OBTAINING THE FM GLOBAL, UH, UM, FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM DISTRIBUTION DRAWINGS, WE'RE ABLE TO UPDATE THIS DRAWING TO ILLUSTRATE, UH, WHERE THE WATER LINES RUN AND WHICH ONES ARE, UH, FIRE LINES.
WE'VE PUT ADDED A LEGEND, UH, KIND OF TO THE LOWER RIGHT THERE YOU GOT, AND THE F LINES ARE FIRE SUPPRESSION.
THEY'RE ALL BLUE COLLAR AND THE W LINES ARE, ARE WATER DISTRIBUTION, WHICH HAVE MUNICIPAL HYDRANTS CONNECTED TO THEM.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH, AND THIS WAS, UH, LABEL ASSOCIATES COMMENT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, PLEASE CLARIFY THE HYDRANT IDENTIFICATION
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OR, OR HYDRANTS IDENTIFI IDENTIFIED ON THIS PLAN AS EITHER MUNICIPAL OR PRIVATE.SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE'VE, UH, THE ONES LOCATED, THERE ARE FOUR HYDRANTS THAT WE'VE NUMBERED ONE THROUGH FOUR ALONG, UH, FAIRVIEW, FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE, WHICH ARE MUNICIPALLY OWNED.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER THAT GOES UP, UH, WHAT IS THAT? A RIDGEWOOD AVE KIND OF AROUND THE CORNER AND UP THE HILL AND BEHIND THE WOODS, WHICH IS NUMBER FIVE.
THOSE ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED WITH THE MUNICIPAL, UH, WATER MAIN.
AND WE'VE ADDED A NOTE TO THE, UH, WE'VE ADDED GENERAL NOTES ONE THROUGH SEVEN TO THE PLAN.
AND IN THERE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE AS BEING MUNICIPALLY OWNED HYDRANTS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE USED A LETTER DESIGNATION FOR THE HYDRANTS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH, UH, CONSISTS OF HYDRANTS A THROUGH E.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING COUNTERCLOCKWISE, STARTING FROM SAY THE UPPER RIGHT AND THERE'S A HYDRANT.
UH, THERE'S B SO A IS MOVED BY THE RECENT EDITION, LIBERTY COKE HYDRANT A THAT'S FED FROM THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IF YOU GO COUNTERCLOCKWISE, YOU'LL SEE B IS UM, IS LOCATED IN FED FROM, UH, FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE AND THEN CONTINUES ON INTO THE BUILDING AND THEN BRANCHES OFF TO SERVE, UH, AS FIRE RISER DIAGRAMS. I, I GOTTA SAY AT THIS POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS, THERE'S A LITTLE FIRE LINE SPUR THAT GOES OUT TOWARDS THE TRUCK TURNING AREA THAT WAS A, THAT'S WAS MEANT TO BE DELETED.
WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE STARTED MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY OBTAINED THE, UH, FACTORY MUTUAL DRAWING AND THOSE LINES, UH, WE NEGLECTED TO DELETE THEM.
BUT ASIDE FROM THAT LITTLE, UH, DRAFTING ERROR, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PER THE KNOWN, UH, DOCUMENTED FIRE DISTRIBUTION PLANS.
THEN WE GO AROUND THE BUILDING TO THE WEST SIDE AND WE HAVE, UH, HYDRANT NUMBER, UH, HYDRANT D AND HYDRANT E AND THOSE ARE THE ONSITE HYDRANTS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTIONS, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA START IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THERE ARE TWO, WE'VE IDENTIFIED 'EM AS F D C, FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION NUMBER ONE THROUGH FOUR.
SO RIGHT IN THIS IMAGE YOU'VE GOT RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IF YOU JUST PAN UP TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE HAVE TWO FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTIONS THERE.
ONE RIGHT THERE IS NUMBER ONE, IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT, A RECENTLY REPAIRED FIRE HYDRANT, UH, F D C NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED AT THAT, UH, NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
UH, MR. WALSH, I APPRECIATE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT MUCH DETAIL ON THIS.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO BROADLY, I'M DONE, RESPOND TO THE CON.
SO I JUST WANT, I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE ITEMIZED THESE THINGS IN A WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE AND UH, THAT'S BASICALLY, WE ALSO HAVE THE FIRE FLOW ON THERE TABULATED, AND UH, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT.
WE HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE AT THE TABLE.
I JUST NOTICED THAT YOU DID THE FLOW TEST DATA.
UM, I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE CONSULTANT HAD REQUESTED THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS OUTSTANDING.
DOESN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT THE SECRET DETERMINATION, BUT, UM, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE INCLUDED ON THE PLANS.
SO THAT IS DONE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DONE.
WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY PERFORM IT.
IT WAS DONE SO RECENTLY, IT WAS DONE LAST AUGUST.
AND I GOTTA TELL YOU THIS, I'VE, LAST WEEK I WENT OUT THERE IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THIS PLANT.
I INSPECTED THE FIRE GAUGES ON THE INSIDE OF THE RISERS IN EACH IN THE BUILDING.
AND THEY WERE ALL EXCEEDING 150 P SS.
SO, AND GIVEN THE FLOW THAT WAS TESTED LAST SUMMER, THIS IS GONNA BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE FIRE FLOW.
I HAD A COUPLE, SO THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.
UM, AND THEN WALTER, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, I DID, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DRAWING IN THIS LOCATION, IT IDENTIFIES A POSSIBLE CONNECTION TO FIRE LOOP AND IT'S THIS BLUE HATCHED LINE THAT RUNS AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, RIGHT DOWN TO THE MAIN LINE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT? NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD DRAWINGS OF THAT BEING CONNECTED IN THAT LOCATION.
BUT I ALWAYS SUSPECTED AND THERE IS A, A, A GATE VALVE AND THE, IT IS MARKED IN THE FIELD UP TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT, UH, WHERE WE INDICATE, UH, WATERLINE
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CONNECTION UNKNOWN ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT COMES INTO THE PROPERTY, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN MARKED BEYOND THAT.SO, UH, VERIFY IF WE'RE GONNA LOCATE THE HYDRANT OFF OF THAT, SPUR THE PROPOSED HYDRANT, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY CONVENIENT LOCATION, WE'RE GONNA CONFIRM THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET THAT MAPPED OUT TO SEE WHERE IT GOES.
IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN OLD ACTUAL DOMESTIC WATER CONNECTION.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE VALVE IS IN FACT THERE AND IT HAS BEEN MARKED OUT IN THE FIELD UP THROUGH THE PROPERTY LINE AND INTO THE, THE PAVED AREA AND THEN IT JUST ENDS THERE.
THAT, THAT LEADS TO MY SECOND QUESTION AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE NEWLY PROPOSED HYDRANT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEW PAD AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT GOING IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, REVIEWED BY THE FIRE CONSULTANT AND DEEMED A, A NICE IMPROVEMENT OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE NOTE ABOUT THAT, AND I DID MENTION IT TO, UH, YOUR LEGAL TEAM, THAT, UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME VERY MINOR COMMENTS COMING IN FROM THE FIRE CONSULTANT.
I KNOW FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THEM IS, UM, THAT IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROTECTION AROUND THAT HYDRANT IN THE FORM OF A BOLLARD.
UM, JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK WAS TO, YOU KNOW, JUMP THE CURB OR SOMETHING IN THAT LOCATION AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GUIDE RAIL ALONG THAT EDGE OF CURB.
SO THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE MINOR COMMENT.
DOESN'T RESULT IN ANYTHING BEING HELD UP WITH THE BOARD.
UH, CERTAINLY NOT THIS EVENING.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD, OR THE LAST, REALLY THE LAST COMMENT IS YOU IDENTIFY ALONG THIS STRETCH BEHIND THE BUILDING, UM, TRAILER STORAGE AND YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS ABOUT 10 TRAILERS OR SO.
AND, AND WE KNOW THOSE EXIST OUT THERE.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT EXTENDS FURTHER ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES.
SO TO THAT POINT, UM, AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN.
THERE MAY BE A COMMENT ABOUT CLARIFYING THAT FOR THE CONSULTANT, MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THERE'S STILL ENOUGH WIDTH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR EMERGENCY YEAH.
ACCESS AND FOR TRAILERS AND WHATNOT TO, UM, MAKE IT AROUND THE SITE IN TOTALITY, EVEN IF THOSE TRAILERS WERE ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE TRAILER STORAGE AREA.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER MINOR COMMENT THAT WAS GONNA COME UP.
OTHERWISE, UM, THE CONSULTANT WAS, UH, PLEASED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, DETAILED RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND, UM, SO WAS THE, THE, UM, THE ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF THAT WE SPOKE WITH ON THE ZOOM CALL AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO ADD TO IT.
WALTER, YOU, UH, WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTION, WHICH WAS, UH, WILL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GET A FINAL, UH, UH, WRITE OFF ON, UH, THESE FIRE HYDRANTS? YES.
SO, UM, THE, THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEMO ISSUED BY THE, THE FIRE CONSULTANT MM-HMM.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL BE RESPONDING TO THOSE.
SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE BOLLARD, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING SOME FIRE FLOW TESTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UM, PUBLIC HYDRANTS AND PRIVATE HYDRANTS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE FLOW IS GOOD ON THE HYDRANTS NEAR TO THIS PROPOSED EQUIPMENT PAD AND AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, SO YES, WE WILL HAVE THAT AND THEN WE WILL GET A FINAL CLOSEOUT MEMO FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT SAYS, AND WHEN EVERYTHING'S SATISFIED.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND, AND OH YEAH.
THEY'RE COORDINATING DIRECTLY.
SO WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS CONSTANTLY.
BETWEEN THE CONSULTANT AND THE FIRE CHIEF.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THE TABLE? OTHER, YES.
ONE OTHER IS, UM, SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MEMO HAD RAISED, UM, WHERE SNOW REMOVAL WOULD BE DEALT WITH ON SITE.
SO AGAIN, DOESN'T HOLD ANYTHING UP AS FAR AS SEEKER, BUT JUST A COMMENT THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
IF I CAN RECITE THAT, UM, AND WE CAN FORWARD YOU A COPY OF THAT MEMO, I'M SURE WE HAVE.
BUT IT DOES STATE THAT UM, THE REMOVAL OF SNOW FROM THE TOPS OF PARKED TRAILERS IN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PAD WOULD BE TYPICALLY PERFORMED BY A MACHINE AND THEN PUSHED OFF TO THE SIDE.
CAN THE APPLICANT PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW SNOW REMOVAL WILL BE PERFORMED IN THE AREA? THAT'S ALL.
UM, COR OR RAMONA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YEAH, MONA, YOU WANNA GO FIRST? OKAY.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT WALTER WAS, UM, TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF FIRE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE COOPERATING.
'CAUSE IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COOPERATIVE AND WE HEAR FROM THEM MONTHS LATER.
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THIS TIME AROUND.AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH US ON THIS PROJECT.
THEY'VE BEEN COOPERATIVE AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM.
THEY DID ASK THAT A CONSULTANT BE BROUGHT ABOARD.
THE APPLICANT WAS MORE THAN WILLING, UM, TO HAVE A CONSULTANT AND HAS BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM DIRECTLY.
SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD COMMUNICATION ON THIS PROJECT.
MY, UH, QUESTION AND COMMENT IS THAT THE PERMITTED, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS 70% AND THE PROPOSED IS SAY 84.7%.
UH, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF STORAGE AREA FOR TRAILERS AND, UH, WHERE, WHERE IT JUST, UH, COULD BE, UH, POSSIBLY A PER SPARES COULD BE USED.
SO THIS APPLICANT LOOKED INTO IT TO SEE WHETHER THERE IS ANY, ANY POSSIBILITY OF REDUCING PER SURFACE, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, HAS THAT COME UP AARON AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR? IT HASN'T.
SO WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK TO THAT THIS EVENING.
IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL CONSIDERING THAT THE PLANNING WHERE IT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
M MARK OR OR ROBERT HAVE, HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, AMONGST THE TEAM BEFORE? I, I'M NOT SURE.
IT JUST COME TO THE, COME TO THE AND STATE YOUR NAME, MARK ANO, HOW YOU DOING? YEAH.
UM, SO WITH REGARDS TO THE IMP IMPROVE SERVICE, THE PERCENTAGE I'M UNDERSTANDING IS WAS 70 NOW IT'S 84%, IS THAT CORRECT? 70 IS IS THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED.
SO THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS IT AT NOW? IT'S, UH, IT'S PROPOSING 80, I BELIEVE IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 84.4 AND WE'RE PROPOSING 84.65.
SO IT'S A VERY MINIMAL INCREASE FROM WHAT'S PRESENTLY THERE'S, IT'S A 0.27% INCREASE.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY? CORRECT.
THE QUESTION IS IF WE NEEDED TO MITIGATE THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE IN IMPERVIOUS LIKE PAVERS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THE QUESTION IS, WHILE OUR CODE DOESN'T, UM, DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PERVIOUS SURFACES OR PAVERS, THEY WOULD STILL, YOUR PERCENTAGE WOULD NOT REDUCE IF YOU WERE TO ABLE TO INCORPORATE PERVIOUS SURFACES OR PERVIOUS PAVERS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ASKED IN THE PAST AND HAS LOOKED FAVORABLY UPON APPLICANTS THAT ARE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THOSE TYPES OF SURFACES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'D STILL NEED THE VARIANCE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WOULD THE APPLICANT CONSIDER REPLACING SOME OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE SITE WITH PAVERS OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF PERVIOUS SURFACE? I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I I THINK THAT'S, WE CAN, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MITIGATE JUST FOR, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, JUST FOR A CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, THE, UM, THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS 84.42%.
WE ARE GO, WE'RE INCREASING IT BY, I THINK THE NUMBER OFF MY IS 272, UH, NO, 2000, UH, 272 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS, UH, 84.65%.
SO WE'RE GOING UP HUNDREDS OF A PERCENT IN INCREASE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING SOME PERVIOUS AREA WHERE THE CURRENT PLANTINGS, WE ARE MAINTAINING THE PLANTINGS BY REPLANTING AND WE'RE ALSO INSTALLING 155 LINEAL FEET OF, UH, INFILTRATION TRENCH, WHICH HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO, UH, NOT ONLY REDUCE THE PEAK RUNOFF FOR EVERY STORM UP TO AND INCLUDING THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, BUT IT'S ALSO RECHARGING TO REDUCE THE RUNOFF.
SO, UH, IN ORDER TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT DE MINIMUS, ALMOST DE MINIMUS INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WE'RE INSTALLING AN INFILTRATION TRENCH.
WE'VE DONE THE GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION.
THE LENGTH OF THE INFILTRATION TRENCH WAS BASED ON AN ASSUMED INFILTRATION RATE.
AND WE'VE SINCE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION TO SHOW THAT THE INFILTRATION RATE IS MUCH HIGHER AND THE DEPTH OF SEASONAL GROUNDWATER LEVEL IS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY DEEP.
AND I THINK, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT MAY WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER THEY CAN REMOVE IMPERVIOUS IN SOME PLACE ON THE SITE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD BE, BUT I JUST WANNA REASSURE THE BOARD THAT THE INCREASE HAS BEEN, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE HAS BEEN FULLY COMPENSATED BY AN INFILTRATION SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY REDUCES,
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UH, RUNOFF HIGHER THAN WHAT THE TASK STANDARD IS, WHICH I THINK IS EITHER 25 OR 50 YEARS FORM.WE'RE GOING UP TO A HUNDRED YEAR STORY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GENERALLY ASK IN ALMOST EVERY APPLICATION IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY SOMEWHERE TO PUT PAVERS, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU CREDIT WITH THE, UH, THE ACTUAL CALCULATIONS ON PAPER.
CAN WE, CAN WE, I THINK, UH, UH, MR. WALTZ, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, DOING IT TO NOT FLOOD THE, UH, SURROUNDING AREAS OR IMPROVE THE WHATEVER DRAINAGE IT IS THERE, BUT, UH, LIKE OPPORTUNITY, LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE IT, JUST THE TRAILER'S GOING TO BE PARKED DOESN'T HAVE ANY REALLY.
SO, UH, AND WE SLOWLY TRYING TO MOVE OVERALL FOR, UH, UH, FOR THE LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE TO REALLY REDUCE AND NOT REALLY DEPEND ON TO THE MITIGATION PART, BUT FROM THE BEGINNING, IF THE WATER CAN JUST SEEP INTO IT AND DOESN'T REQUIRE IT TO BE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU DO WHEN IT IS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PAY, FLOOD, UH, UH, CRITERIA THAT BE USED.
SO IT IS, IT IS A POLICY THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT PEOPLE BE CONSIDERATE.
AND AREAS THAT ARE NOT JUST A STORAGE OF YOUR TRAILER, I THINK EASILY COUPLE OF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT SAID THEY WOULD CONSIDER AND LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY.
ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON IF WE CAN.
SO FIRST OF ALL, NOW DO WE NEED TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY? YES.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE WALTER SO SECOND WITH MICHAEL AND JOHANN AT THE SAME TIME? NO, CAN HAVE IT.
ANY, UM, ABSTAIN? ABSTENTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO IF THAT PASSES NOW WE, UM, ARE GONNA ENTERTAIN UNLISTED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? AN UNLISTED ACTION.
ANY, ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS THAT PASSES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE? WAIT, NO.
TO DECLARE THIS A NEGATIVE TWO.
WHAT DO YOU ADOPT? ADOPT A NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
YOU MAKES IT LOOK SO EASY TO ADOPT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON THIS PROJECT'S.
ALMOST, UH, LESLIE, SECOND JOHAN.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? I THINK I JUST NEED A BUTTON I CAN PUSH TO REPEAT ALL THIS.
I THINK, UH, THE LAST THING IS THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHAT ARE THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE? OH, THE BOARD THROUGH THOSE VERY QUICKLY.
UM, SO PURSUANT THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION WE HAVE, UM, THREE VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
YOU'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, BUT I'LL STATE IT AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, 70% PERMITTED, 84.42, EXISTING, 84.65 PROPOSED.
WE ALSO HAVE A VARIANCE FOR MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THE STRIPPER TANK, 40 FEET PERMITTED 75.5 FEET PROPOSED, AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR THE ABSORBER TANK.
40 FEET PERMITTED, 77 FEET PROPOSED.
AND THAT HAS COME DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THE BEGINNING IN, WHEN WE FIRST SAW THIS, IN FACT, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, ONE OF THE INITIAL MEETINGS THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED ITS FIRST HEIGHT WAS, I BELIEVE, OVER 100 FEET, AND IT REDUCED IT DOWN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
NOW TO THE POINT THAT WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, THEY ARE ON TOMORROW EVENING WITH THE ZONE.
SO, WHICH OTHER ONE CAN YOU REPEAT? UH, AARON, I'M SORRY.
SAY IT AGAIN? CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT THE VARIANCE REQUIRED? SURE.
CAN MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE 70% PERMITTED 84.42% EXISTING 84.65% PROPOSED MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR THE STRIPPER TANK.
40 FEET PERMITTED 75.5 FEET PROPOSED.
AND THIRD, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR THE ABSORBER TANK.
40 FEET PERMITTED 77 FEET PROPOSED THREE AREA VARIANCES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OBJECTION TO ISSUING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION? CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO, UM, MAKE I MAKE MOTION THAT WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION
UH, THE FACT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IMPERVIOUS SURFACES,
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YEAH, IT IS A MINUTE INCREASE, BUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, RETENTIONS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE SITE, UH, I THINK MORE THAN ADEQUATELY RES UH, UH, COMPENSATE FOR THAT.WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURES, UH, WE TOOK, UH, AERIAL VIEWS AND WE LOOKED AT THE BUILDINGS AROUND AND WHAT WILL BE, UH, THE SITE, UH, WHAT, UH, THE RESIDENTS WILL BE LOOKING AT.
AND, UH, AND IT'S, IT, IT DOES NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE, ON, ON RESIDENTS THAT LIVE SOME DISTANCE AWAY.
UH, THE BUILDINGS AROUND THAT IT'S, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DOING AS A TOWN IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, I MEAN, THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING AND SUPPORTING.
SO I GIVE A STRONG, VERY STRONG POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON ONE OR ALL THREE VARIANCES.
I'D LIKE TO ADD A FEW MORE REASONS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN COOPERATING WITH THE, UH, TOWN AND THE AGENCIES TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES.
THE, UH, TOWERS, I ASSUME, AT LEAST THEY SAY, ARE THE MINIMAL HEIGHT REQUIRED SO THAT THEY STILL WORK AND THEY BROUGHT 'EM DOWN FROM THE ORIGINAL AND THEY BROUGHT 'EM DOWN.
SO THE HEIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIGHER THAN PERMITTED, IS REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, UH, PERFORM THE PROCESS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL MONA HAS.
ADDITIONALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS, UM, TO BRING IN THE, THE CARBON DIAC, THE BUBBLES,
SO ENVIRONMENTALLY WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A MORE FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTALLY BUSINESS AND NOT TO MENTION TAKING A LOAD OFF.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE GONNA BE A GREENER BUSINESS, WHICH IS WHAT GREENBERG'S ALL ABOUT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTION? I CAN'T SEE COREY.
WE'LL GET THAT DRAFTED AND OFF TO BOTH YOU AS WELL AS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR TOMORROW EVENING.
SO, MR. ESCAL, YOU CAN WAKE UP NOW.
NEXT CASE IS PB 2120, BUT I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR SLEEPING EARLIER.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WE WILL, YES.
AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU THIS TABLE.
SUE, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS ON THIS? I WILL, YES.
I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE COMMOTION HERE.
CAN WE HAVE TAKE UP JUST A MINUTE OR TWO? LET'S, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A SHORT BREAK.
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WE ARE GONNA GET STARTED AGAIN.SO ONCE AGAIN, CASE NUMBER PB 2123 WORTHINGTON ESTATES.
AND LET ME JUST, UH, SITE, SO AGAIN, PB 2123 WORTHINGTON ESTATES, ALSO KNOWN AS THE DI NAPOLI SUBDIVISION FOR PROPERTIES AT 1490 AND 1952.
APPLICANT'S, UH, SUBMITTED MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
UM, THIS PROJECT WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR, UM, FOR A WORK SESSION.
AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, SOME BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF OUR HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT.
IT WAS A PUBLICLY NOTICED SITE VISIT.
I DON'T UNFORTUNATELY HAVE THE DATE, UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT, UH, IT WAS A GOOD VISIT AND WE WALKED BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT WAS WELL WORTH THE TIME AND GOT A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.
SOME OF THE EXISTING STONE WALLS ON THE SITE THAT ARE NOW, UH, IN THE REVISED PLANT SET SHOWN TO BE, UH, THAT THEY'LL BE SET ASIDE AND REPURPOSED FOR ANY NEW STONE WALLS OR OTHER FEATURES ON THE SITE, WHICH IS A, A GOOD THING.
THERE WAS, WHAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE, TO BE MAYBE AN ICE HOUSE OR AN OLD ICE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
TURNS OUT IT'S THE PUMP HOUSE TO A WELL THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT.
IT IS, IT IS A NEAT LITTLE THING TUCKED INTO THE HILLSIDE.
UM, WE OBSERVED, YOU KNOW, THE REMNANTS OF THE OLD, UM, WHAT WAS AN OLD HOME ON THE PROPERTY AND SOME OLD, UH, AMERICAN HOLLY TREES THAT WERE VERY NICE THAT ARE NOW GONNA BE PRESERVED ON THE SITE.
UH, I WON'T TAKE UP MUCH MORE TIME THAN THAT.
MR. TIS IS HERE TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THE PLANS.
I'M GONNA SHARE THEM ON THE DRIVE, BUT THERE'S ALSO PLANS SET UP THERE AND, UH, AND ARE THERE ANY ACTIONS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE TONIGHT IN TERMS, RIGHT.
SO IN TERMS OF ACTION, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
PROJECT, UM, HAS BEEN FORWARDED ALONG TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND
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TO NEW YORK STATE D O T BECAUSE, UH, THE SITE DOES FRONT NINE A AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE PROPOSED OFF OF NINE A THROUGH AN EASEMENT.SO, OR WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY COMMENTS BACK YET.
WE'LL FORWARD THOSE TO THE PLANNING BOARD UPON RECEIPT.
UM, IN TERMS OF ACTION ITEMS, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CONVERSATION GOES THIS EVENING, AND IF THERE ARE ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS OR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, UM, THE BOARD COULD EITHER HOLD ANOTHER FOLLOW UP WORK SESSION OR TRANSITION INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PHASE AND GET FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ONE THING THAT I BELIEVE IS MISSING IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THERE'S A LOT OF TREES COMING DOWN AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WAITING ON.
SO I ACTUALLY HAD AN, A DISCUSSION WITH MR. ESCALADES TODAY ON THAT.
UM, I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE ARBORIST TEAM THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT ABOARD ON THIS PROJECT, AND THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT MR. ESTIS SAID WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT SO WELL AHEAD OF ANY FUTURE MEETING, WHETHER IT BE A WORK SESSION OR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO I'M GONNA SHARE THE PLANS THROUGH YOU.
BUT, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE OVERHEAD.
EMILIO ESCALADAS, UH, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS, S ASSOCIATES.
UH, AARON, YOU SAID PRETTY MUCH, UH, GAVE US A GOOD SUMMARY.
THE, THE PROJECT IS REALLY A HISTORICAL COMBINATION OF TWO LOTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY, UH, JOINED WAY BACK, I WOULD SAY 15 YEARS BACK.
UH, MR. PETTI WAS THE AR UH, ENGINEER AT THE TIME, AND HE SUB SUBDIVIDED IT.
UM, AND IT WAS APPROVED AND THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED IT.
AND FOR WHATEVER QUIRKY REASONS, IT WAS NEVER FILED WITH THE COUNTY.
BUT THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS LOST AND THE TWO PROPERTIES SEPARATED.
THERE WERE TWO INTERESTED, UH, COOPERATING, UH, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT WERE DOING THE SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THEY WENT EACH OTHER'S WAY.
AND THEN, UH, BOTH OF THEM, UH, REMAINED ALIVE UNTIL ONE OF THEM, UH, TOOK PRETTY MUCH, UH, AN OLDER GENTLEMAN DIED AND THE ESTATE THEN WAS OFFERED, OR PURCHASE WAS OFFERED TO THE NUMBER ONE BY, UH, UH, UH, NEIGHBOR.
AND, UH, WE, WE HAD ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH A SEVEN LOT SUBDIVISION, BUT THEN ONCE THAT PURCHASE WAS MADE, UH, IT WAS CONVERTED TO A 13 LOT SUBDIVISION.
THERE WAS A ROAD THROUGH THE CENTER THAT WOULD, UH, FEED A SERIES OF LOTS TO THE EAST AND THE WEST.
UH, THE EASTERN, THE WESTERN LOTS WERE LOWER, CLOSER TO THE SAW MILL, THE EASTERN LOTS, THE ONES UP ABOVE, UH, WERE A LITTLE HIGHER, ANYWHERE VERY FLAT.
AND THEN AS YOU GET TO THE END, THEY'RE A LITTLE ROUGH IN TERRAIN, UM, CREATING WHAT I WOULD CALL IT AN INTERESTED, INTERESTING SUBDIVISION.
YOU WILL NOT, YOU WILL NOT HAVE YOUR TYPICAL, ALL THE HOUSES ARE IN THE SAME FLAT TERRAIN.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SOME INTERESTING TOPOGRAPHY, AND I HOPE TO DESIGN SOME OF THEM.
UM, THEY ALL HAVE, OF COURSE, THEIR INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS.
UM, WE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PAVERS AS TO, TO HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE.
WE OF COURSE HAVE, UH, A, A CENTRAL DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH WILL, UH, UH, DELIVER ALL THE WATERS DOWN TO, I BELIEVE IT'S LOT 11.
AND THE OVERFLOW FROM THAT, AFTER IT PERKS INTO THE GROUND, UH, IT WILL FLOW INTO A MANHOLE, UH, UM, THAT FLOWS ALONG THE, UH, UH, SAW MILL.
THE SAME THING WITH THE DRAINAGE, UH, FROM, I'M SORRY, THE SEWAGE.
WE WILL BE COLLECTING, UH, ALONG THE ROAD, THE MAIN ROAD, AND THEN COMING DOWN AS YOU SEE IN THAT RED LINE AND CONNECTING TO A MANHOLE THAT IS STRATEGICALLY FOUND AND LOCATED ALSO AT, UH, BETWEEN THE SAWMILL RIVER ROADS EDGE AND THE PROPERTY.
SINCE I'M THE ONE THAT COLORIZED THE PLAN, THE RED IS THE STORMWATER MAN.
THE BLUE UP TOP ARE THE WATER LINES COMING IN OFF OF WHITE HOUSE ROAD.
AND THE, UH, THE GREENISH IS THE SEWER, WHICH IS GOING DOWN THROUGH AN EASEMENT.
THERE YOU GO INTO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND CAN I TRY TO CLARIFY ONE THING? THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT'S BEING SHOWN WITH THE RED THAT IS JUST FOR THE ROAD, IS IT NOT? CORRECT.
EACH HOUSE IS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN
AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS ACTUALLY, IN REALITY, THE, THE DESIGN OF THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM WAS LEFT ALONE.
SO WE ARE OVERDESIGNING THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO SAY LAST TIME THAT WE'RE OVERDESIGNING FOR STORM VOLUMES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY THE VOLUMES THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR THE EACH INDIVIDUAL HOME.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS ADDED INDIVIDUAL HOME, UM, CULT TEXTS, SO THAT WE HAVE REALLY ENLARGED THE SYSTEM BY QUITE A BIT.
SO WALTER, YOU, YOU HAD A QUESTION AT THIS POINT.
UH, LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH,
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AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE ROAD, THAT'S ABOUT 214 FEET.AND AT THE BACK, AT THE BACK IS 204.
SO THERE'S A 10 FEET DROP FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM.
BUT YOU HAVE YOUR CATCH BASINS BY THE ROAD AT THE TOP OF THE SLOPE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE'S NO CATCH BASIN IN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
WELL, THE CUL-DE-SACS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUM, THE WAY THAT THE STORM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING HOW THE STORM WATER DRAINS, EVERYTHING HAS A LOW POINT.
SO OF COURSE THE CATCH BASIN IS NOT AT THE END OF THE CATCH BASIN, IS AT THE CURB SIDE OF THE CATCH BASIN.
SO, AND THE WATER COMES BACK TO THE MIDDLE, AND THEN IT, IT GOES INTO THE DRAINAGE.
BUT THEN WHAT, WHAT HOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PROFILE BOTTOM OF THE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PROFILES.
'CAUSE YOU SEE THAT BRING THE STORM DRAIN BUCKS GRADE FOR A COUPLE OF YOU.
EXPLAIN THAT TO ME BECAUSE I COULDN'T FOLLOW THAT.
I SEE YOU, I SEE YOU HAVE DRAINAGE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, BUT THERE'S WATER WILL STILL RUN ACROSS THE CUL-DE-SAC INTO THE END.
THE, THERE IS A DRAIN LOW POINT AT THE CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH WILL PICK UP ALL OF THE WATER.
BUT THAT, COULD YOU BRING THAT, COULD YOU EXPAND THAT FOR ME? GET MY POINT? WOULD IT BE GOOD TO, YEAH.
THERE'S DRAINAGE POINT THERE, BUT THERE'S, WATER WILL RUN DOWN THE, THE WATER WILL COME DOWN TO THAT POINT.
'CAUSE THE CUL-DE-SAC GOES UP.
SO THE CUL THE, THIS FAR END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IS THE HIGH POINT.
2 0 2, IT, IT FLOWS TO THAT POINT.
THAT'S 2 0 2 BECAUSE THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THERE'S A TWO FOOT DIFFERENCE.
2 0 2 AT THE BEGINNING, AND THERE'S 2 0 4 AT THE BA.
NO, I, I LOOKED AT THAT FOR MANY TIMES.
IT'S A SUBTLE, IT'S A SUBTLE, UH, I'M GLAD YOU PICKED UP ON IT.
BUT IT'S SUBTLE BECAUSE IT, UH, THE CUL-DE-SAC GOES UP AND THEN IN THE WATER COMES BACK TO THAT THERE, TO THAT LOW POINT.
SO IT PITCHES FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, CORRECT.
ANYWAY, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES, UH, ARE REPRESENTED BY 20,000 PLUS SQUARE, UH, SQUARE FEET LOTS.
AND THEY'RE KIND OF, UH, PRETTY STANDARD IN, IN, EXCEPT FOR THE THREE LOTS THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULT TOPOGRAPHY.
AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE RETAINING WALL IN THE BACK, WHICH MAY VERY BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT, UM, BY THE TIME WE START DESIGNING EACH HOME.
UM, IF I HAD IT MY WAY, ALL THESE HOMES WOULD BE INGROUND HOMES.
AND, UM, BUT THAT'S WISHFUL THINKING.
THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLE HALLS, CORRECT? RIGHT, OF COURSE.
UM, THE, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE, UH, TREE REPLACEMENT, UH, UH, PROGRAM.
WE, WE PROBABLY ARE THE FIRST, UH, PROJECT OF THIS SIZE THAT WAS AFFECTED BY THE NEW LAW.
AND WE TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
WE HIRED A, A, A TRIO OF, OF YOUNG, UH, ARBORISTS.
AND WE LET THEM GO LAST SUMMER AND THEY ACTUALLY TAGGED EACH TREE.
UM, AND THEY GAVE US A, A VERY REFINED LIST OF SPECIES DIAMETER CONDITION OF THE TREES AND SO ON.
I THINK THE TOWN ARBORIST IS, IS QUITE CONTENT WITH IT.
AND SO WILL WE, AND WE NOW ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, DOING, UH, ONE STANDARD, UH, UH, UM, LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL A TYPICAL LAYOUT PLAN.
UH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ALL OF THEM.
THEY WILL ALL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
BUT WE WANNA OFFER THE BOARD THE IDEA OF, OF HOW MANY, THE TYPE OF REPLACEMENT, THE NATURE OF, OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO DO IT.
AND WE OF COURSE, WILL HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN THAT WILL DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE TREES IN THE, ALONG THE ROAD SO THAT WE ARE COMMITTING OURSELVES TO THAT.
AND THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN THE PRIVATE, IN THE PRIVATE LOTS.
AGAIN, IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO CONSULT THE PLANNING BOARD FOR TREE REMOVALS FOR EACH LOT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GETTING PERMISSION NOW.
EACH SLOT WILL HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN, UH, PROCEDURE TO, UH, CUT AND REPLACE.
UH, AND IN THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, FINE TUNE EACH APPLICANT, UH, EACH APPLICATION.
LET ME JUST ELABORATE ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE I, I SPOKE WITH CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND PROJECT.
YOU MAY RECALL THE ARDSLEY, UH, ROAD SUBDIVISION THAT WAS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION WITH THE ROADWAY CUL-DE-SAC ROAD GOING.
THAT WAS THE NATIONAL SAFETY INSTITUTE, NATIONAL, UH, ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION, YES.
AND, UM, SO THEY DID SIMILAR WORK AND, AND THESE FOLKS ARE DOING GOOD WORK AS WELL.
THERE'S OVER 500, I BELIEVE 583 TREES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF TREES COMING OUT FROM THIS PROPERTY IN CONNECTION WITH HOW THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL TREE REMOVAL WILL WORK.
IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO AN APPROVAL AND IT'S APPROVED TO BE BUILT, THEY WILL COME IN AND IT, THEY
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WILL PHASE THE TREE REMOVALS.SO PHASE ONE WILL LIKELY BE IN CONNECTION WITH REMOVING TREES FOR THE ROADWAY AND ASSOCIATED GRADING AND UTILITY WORK.
AND THERE WOULD BE A, JUST A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT TO ALLOW THOSE TREES TO BE REMOVED.
AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT WILL HAVE THAT THE STREET TREE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED TO OFFSET THOSE REMOVALS.
THEN THE INDIVIDUAL TREE REMOVAL PERMITS THE APPLICANT SHOWING OR IDENTIFYING A LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE ON EACH LOT.
AND THEY'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TREES WITHIN THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE FOR EACH OF THE LOTS.
AND THAT'S THIS KIND OF MAGENTA LINE THAT RUNS, YOU KNOW, UH, AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT'S THE IDENTIFIED OR PROPOSED LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
BASICALLY EVERYTHING WITHIN IT WILL COME DOWN OR IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
UM, BUT FOR INSTANCE, THEY BUILD OUT THE ROADWAY AND LOT NUMBER ONE SEEKS TO, UH, COME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
SOMEONE WHO'S BUYING THAT LOT MAY SAY, I LIKE THE EXISTING WOODED NATURE OF THIS LOT AND I'M ONLY GONNA REMOVE AS LITTLE AS I CAN AND RETAIN SOME OF THE TREES.
AND THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THERE MIGHT BE A LESSER GOING BACK IN FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOT ON THE LANDSCAPING SIDE.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS, SO IT'S GONNA BE LOT BY LOT.
AND THEY WILL NOT BE APPROVED TO CUT TREES FROM A LOT UNTIL THERE'S A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT MEETS AND SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF TWO 60.
NOW SEPARATELY, IF UM, WITH RESPECT TO DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE APPLICANT'S SHOWING 583 TREES TO BE REMOVED, THAT'S LIKE THE MAXIMUM.
THEY HAVE TO QUANTIFY THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, STORMWATER IN GALLONS TO BE, UM, ABSORBED BY THOSE 583 TREES AND THE C O TWO, UM, BEING, UH, SEQUESTERED BY THOSE TREES.
THEY GRAND TOTAL THAT DIVIDED IT BY 13.
AND THAT'S THE MINIMUM PER LOT THAT THEY HAVE TO SHOW IN THE TYPICAL LOT LANDSCAPE PLAN, DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION,
AND THERE'S A GREAT ADVANTAGE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE TREES, EVEN THOUGH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS, SOME OF, A LOT OF 'EM ARE POOR AND A LOT OF THEM ARE DEAD, SO, OR DYING.
SO WE WILL WIN OUT AFTER 20 YEARS OF PLANTING AND RECONSTRUCTION IF WE DO IT RIGHT.
IF THE TOWN, UH, USES THEIR MUSCLE, WHICH THEY HAVE, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T.
UH, IT WOULD BE A REAL NICE, UH, FINAL PRODUCT, I THINK.
SO IT WILL, WE WILL WIN OUT ENVIRONMENTALLY.
SOME OF THESE TREES ARE JUST, UH, CATASTROPHICALLY DYING.
THE, THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ADD, UM, TWO THINGS, AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR PROJECT 'CAUSE THAT CAME UP LAST FALL, BUT IT'S BEEN SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS SINCE WE HAD YOU IN WORK SESSION.
SO THERE WAS A CASE IN 1988 KNOWN AS THE WORTHINGTON STATION SUBDIVISION.
THERE WAS A 12 LOT SUBDIVISION.
THERE USED TO BE AN EXISTING HOME ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WERE GONNA RETAIN THAT AND BUILD 12 NEW HOMES IN THIS CASE.
IT WAS DEMOLISHED 10 YEARS AGO OR SO, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING THE 13 LOT SUBDIVISION.
SO THAT SUBDIVISION WAS ISSUED FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
THE PLATT WAS NEVER FILED IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND THEREFORE IT LAPSED MM-HMM.
AND SO THERE'S A PRECEDENT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROBLEM.
SO THERE'S, IT'S JUST THIS PROPERTY WAS CONSIDERED FOR SUBDIVISION.
THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS FROM THEN TO NOW, SPECIFICALLY WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, TREE REMOVAL, THE THINGS WE'VE TOUCHED ON, YOU KNOW, THIS EVENING SO FAR.
BESIDES THAT, UM, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT, UM, THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION, THANK YOU.
WHO WAS OUT ON THE SITE VISIT CHAIRWOMAN WAS THERE, THEY ISSUED A MEMO, UM, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. ESCALADES, ABOUT, UM, DOING A FULL TITLE SEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE BELIEVED THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS CONNECTED TO A LARGE FARM SITE BACK MANY HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
WE'D LIKE TO OBTAIN THAT FOR THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD, UM, INFORMATION AND, AND IT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE PLANS.
I'VE CIRCLED SOME OF THE, UM, NOTES THAT MR. ESCALADES HAS ADDED TO THE PLANS, INCLUDING THERE'S SOME LINEAR STONE WALLS THAT RUN THROUGH THE SITE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
WE SAW THOSE OUT ON THE SITE VISIT.
AND WHILE MOST OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE AREA OF WHERE THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY IS PROPO, UM, SHOWN TO BE LOCATED ON THE SITE, THAT STONE IS GONNA BE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OFF OFFSITE OR BURIED IN A PIT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY REPURPOSE STUFF.
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THAT'S BEAUTIFUL STUFF.AND WE DO RETAINING WALLS WITH THAT TYPE OF, AND SORRY, CUT.
SO IT'S A QUESTION OF JUST PLACING THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO IT PRESERVES THAT STONE, THAT CHARACTER ELEMENT OF THIS.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S PART OF, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT THIS HISTORIC BOARD MENTIONED.
THERE'S, UH, THE HISTORIC CEMETERY.
THERE'S THE HISTORIC, UM, WORTHINGTON CEMETERY PROPERTY THAT THIS SITE BASICALLY SURROUNDS.
AND WE HAD PRIOR DISCUSSIONS WITH IT, MR. ESCALADES, WHO WAS DISCUSSED WITH THIS CLIENT, UM, PROTECTION FENCING TO BE INSTALLED AROUND THAT PROPERTY PRIOR TO ANY SITE WORK TAKING PLACE.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE CONDITION, PUTTING A DECORATIVE FENCE AROUND THAT PROPERTY TO DELINEATE THE BOUNDARY OF IT.
UM, WELL THE IDEA TOO IS TO MAKE IT INTO A REALLY INTERESTING PARK.
IT'S A AND IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CORNER.
IT'S HIGH, YOU CAN SEE NICE, A NICE SUNSET FROM UP THERE.
IT'S A NICE PLACE TO GO WITH THE DOG.
THE NEIGHBORS CAN GO AND USE IT.
IT'S GONNA BE A, A, I THINK A PLUS.
UH, AND WE MAY, WE MAY END UP PUTTING A COUPLE OF VENTURES AND, AND WE DON'T WANNA PUT TOO MUCH 'CAUSE IT SHOULD STAY WILD, BUT A PLACE TO FOR CONTEMPLATION IS REALLY A PROPER, SOME SMALL, MAYBE A COUPLE OF, OR MAYBE 20 SQUARE FEET OF STONE AND, AND, AND A COUPLE OF, UH, SEATS SO THAT YOU CAN JUST HAVE A PLACE TO CONGREGATE.
AND, UH, I, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE, AND ALL THE TREES ARE YOUNG AND TALLISH, SO IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY SPECIAL CORNER.
I THINK WHETHER WHATEVER GETS DONE ON THAT PROPERTY, I THINK THE, IT'S A PLUS IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO IT.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AS YOU RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS.
I THINK IT'S A PLUS FOR SELLING THE HOUSES.
IF, IF SO OWNERSHIP IS, UH, A TRICKY THING.
SO WE, THERE ARE A FEW, AT LEAST A FEW, UM, HEADSTONES ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE WERE BURIALS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS.
THE, THE LITTLE BIT, BIT OF THE HISTORY THAT I KNOW IS THAT THERE WAS A CHURCH, THERE WAS A CHURCH, YEAH.
THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT THAT WE HAVE.
WHEN THE FORMER OWNER OF THE CHURCH PROPERTY PASSED, HE LEFT THE PROPERTY OF THE ARCHDIOCESE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT THE PROPERTY.
THE CHURCH BUILDING WAS DECONSTRUCTED AND SHIPPED DOWN THE SAW MALL RIVER TO YONKERS WHERE IT WAS REBUILT AND ONLY DEMOLISHED ABOUT 20, 25 YEARS AGO, MAYBE 30 YEARS AGO NOW.
UM, I FORGET THE PARISH NAME, BUT WE HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH SOMEONE WHOSE FAMILY MEMBER WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT PARTICULAR CEMETERY SITE, UM, THE HISTORIC BOARDS RESEARCHING AND, UM, LOOKING INTO THIS IN MORE DEPTH IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THE CEMETERY WAS BASICALLY ABANDONED, WHICH WOULD BECOME TOWN AND THEREFORE COULD VERY WELL BECOME THE TOWN LAND.
I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON I LOOK, I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SPACE.
I THINK, I MEAN IF YOU WANNA PUT A FENCE AROUND IT TO DELINEATE, DELIN DELINEATE IT, FINE.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INVITING ENTRANCE, MAYBE A LITTLE PATH.
AND I LOVE YOUR IDEA OF A LITTLE SEAT OVERLOOKING THE OVER ROAD OR SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU GOT A REAL LONG VIEW OF THE, OF THE SUNSET HIGHER.
I WAS, I WAS, I SAT THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT, AND THE REASON I ASK ABOUT OWNERSHIP IS SINCE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO OWNS IT AND IF, AND EVEN IF THE ACTUAL OWNER TURNED UP SOMEDAY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA OBJECT TO THIS.
SO I THINK YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO SOME MINIMAL.
SO THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THE APPLICANT'S BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AND, UM, THERE'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY HERE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE'S MORE OR LESS ON THE SAME PAGE.
YEAH, I LIKE TO SHARE INFORMATION OR I WILL GIVE YOU MY CARD AND ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PROJECT.
SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE ADVANCING TO THAT STAGE SOON.
YOU DON'T OWN THE CEMETERY, DO YOU?
I WONDER IF THAT WAS FARMLAND.
WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ONE, ONE THOSE TREES, THE HISTORIC BOARD HAS ASKED FOR, UM, THE HISTORY OF THEIR PARTICULAR SITE AND DOING THE TITLE SEARCH BACK BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE IT WAS PART OF A LARGER OVERALL FARM PROPERTY.
BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR SAID, YEAH, THAT HER FAMILY IS IN THE YARD ON WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG FARMLAND.
SHE CAME BACK, A WOMAN CAME BACK TO VISIT, SHE SAID WHEN I, SHE WAS 88 YEARS OLD ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, AND SHE SAID RIGHT THERE AT WHERE WHITE HOUSE IN WORTHINGTON, THERE WAS A LITTLE STONEWALL THAT MAKES THE CORNER.
SHE SAID THAT ALL IN THAT AREA WAS STONEWALL.
HER FAMILY IS FAIR IS WHAT I WAS HOPING.
I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU OFFLINE ABOUT THAT.
MAY GOT LOT ONE BECAUSE YOU DID SAY THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IF IT WAS CHURCH PROPERTY AND WHERE THEY NORMALLY BURY THEIR PARISHIONERS, WOULDN'T THERE BE A RECORD? I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH PEOPLE WITH GRAVES BEING THERE?
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SO THERE ARE GRAVE, THERE ARE HEADSTONES ON THE CEMETERY PROPERTY SITE.SO THERE'S, YEAH, SO YOU CAN DO, UM, YOU COULD RECOMMEND DOING A GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO SEE IF THERE'S GRAVES BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN SEE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN EASILY DO TO JUST DELINEATE WHERE THE ACTUAL BURIALS ARE AND THAT, AND THERE'S ALSO SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE BY THE COUNTY FOR SEWER AND WATER, UM, FROM CERTAIN TYPES OF SITES.
SO THERE WAS, UH, DISCUSSION ALREADY BY THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD ABOUT TRYING TO GET SOME OF THAT GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, JUST TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY SEE THREE HEADSTONES, BUT WERE THERE 20 SOME ODD OR MORE BURIALS WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
SO UNDERSTAND THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED, LOOKED INTO.
AND WE WANTED TO GET THE HISTORIC BOARD, WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF THE TOWN HAD OWNERSHIP, THEN COULD IT POSSIBLY GO THE ROUTE OF NOMINATING FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND THEN HAVING OVERSIGHT ON THE PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THAT LAND AND KEEP IT IN ITS, YOU KNOW, CURRENT STATE OR IMPROVE UPON ITS CURRENT STATE.
ACTUALLY, I RECOMMEND THEM DOING GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO DELINEATE WHERE THE GRAVES GO.
IT'S SUFFICIENT ALSO TO NOTE THAT THERE IS A, A, A VERY DEFINITE PROPERTY LINE.
THE SURVEYORS THAT HAD NO TROUBLE RECONSTRUCTING THAT.
SO WE KIND OF PROBABLY WAS HONORED EVEN BACK THEN.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, THE CHANCES OF ANY, ANY GRAVEYARDS IN THE AREA TO BE DEVELOPED IS PROBABLY VERY LOW IF WHAT WE DO SEE IS THAT, UM, I'VE LOOKED AT OLD SURVEYS AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN DELINEATED.
ESSENTIALLY THAT LITTLE PIECE WAS CARVED OUT, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO, 200 YEARS AGO.
SO, AND IT WAS DELINEATED BEFORE THE BURIALS DEATH.
WE HAVE GOOD HISTORIC INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE REST OF THE APPLICATION? LET ME STOP THE SHARE JUST IN CASE WE HAVE ANY OF OUR MEMBERS, UM, CORRE OR MONA, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT KIND OF OFFENSE YOU ARE PROPOSING AROUND THE, UH, CEMETERY.
SO, UH, THE HISTORIC BOARD HAD RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE, UM, CAST IRON LOOK.
SO PROBABLY AN ALUMINUM DECORATED FENCE WITH A LOCK, UM, THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY PROVIDED TO D P W, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE ACCESS.
SEE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I, AND YEAH, I MEAN IT SHOULD BE OPEN.
PARTICULARLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME AMAZING, I I, WHEN I WENT THIS SUMMER TO MARRY MY DAUGHTER OFF, WHO AN ENGLISHMAN I WENT TO, UH, SOME OLD, SORRY.
HE'S, HE'S A HUNDRED PERCENT MY TYPE, UM, HARDWORKING, UH, FAIR MAN.
AND I WENT TO SOME OF THE OLDER, UH, AREAS AND, AND JUST WHAT YOU SAID CAME TO MIND RIGHT NOW, THE OLD CEMETERIES, OF COURSE, THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE OLD CHURCHES AND THERE'S ALWAYS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF, A LITTLE BIT OF A WR IRON FENCE.
JUST NOT, NOT JUST SOMETHING NEXT TO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE SAYING THIS IS, AND I WOULDN'T DO IT ALUMINUM.
I WOULD, I WOULD FIND SOME KIND OF AN ALL WROUGHT IRON UP UPSTATE NEW YORK SOMEPLACE AND PUT IT IN THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GATE.
BUT, BUT IF WE DO THAT, I WOULD LOVE IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY CLIENT IS SAYING NOW.
HE'S PROBABLY SLAPPING AN EFFIGY OF ME IN HIS OFFICE.
MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, CAN YOU MAKE SENSE? THAT'S WONDERFUL.
CAN YOU JUST SEND US A PICTURES OR THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO? BECAUSE YOU NEED TO, UH, PROTECT THE EXISTING, UH, UH, SORT OF, UH, AREAS THAT COULD BE, UH, COULD BE VANDALIZED OR THE, SO JUST, JUST PROVIDE US A, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT, HOW YOU GONNA PROTECT THAT AREA? I, I WOULD, THAT'S, SORRY YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO INTO, TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.
I MEAN, AND COR IS PART OF THE HISTORIC BOARD, SO YEAH, IT, IT'S, I I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S LIKE YOU'VE SAID, IT'S A WONDERFUL PARK AREA AND IT, IT'LL HELP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO MOVE THERE, PLUS THE NEIGHBORS.
IT'S JUST RIGHT AT THE PERFECT PLACE AT THE CORNER.
THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WILL MEET.
IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE HAS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR INTENTIONS AND YEAH.
LET'S JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSS ABOUT I LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO MOVE THIS INTO, UH, ONTO A PUBLIC HEARING AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANYONE DISAGREE.
SO WHAT, UH, TIMING WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT HERE? SO WE HAVE, UH, AN EXTRA WEEK
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BETWEEN MEETINGS.SO APRIL 3RD IS AVAILABLE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS APRIL 3RD, IS ACTUALLY A MONDAY.
UM, SO I WANT EVERYONE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, BUT SINCE WE HAVE EXTRA TIME BETWEEN, BECAUSE THERE ARE FIVE WEDNESDAYS IN MARCH, WE HAVE TIME TO NOTICE APPROPRIATELY.
IF THE BOARD'S AGREEABLE TO PUTTING IT ON FOR APRIL 3RD, WHICH IS MONDAY EVENING, WE'LL PUT IT ON AND OUR OFFICE WHO HAS ALREADY PREPARED A DRAFT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC IN ANTICIPATION, UH, WE'LL COMPLETE THAT, FINALIZE IT, GET IT OFF TO YOU AS WELL AS THE SIGNAGE TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY.
NOW DO WE WANT TO SEE A, THE LANDSCAPING FOR THE ROAD? YOU'LL HAVE THAT.
YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE THAT IN LESS IN A WEEK.
SO THAT'S THE TYPICAL LOT LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE ROADWAY LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT, RIGHT? NOPE.
HMM? YOU SET THE CHAIR SETS THE AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO NOW TRANSITION TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
WE'RE GONNA GO UP ON THE DEUS.
WE TAKE, DOES ANYONE NEED A SHORT BREAK OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO? WE'RE GOOD.
ARE YOU MOVING? YOU DROP IT HERE.
JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S MIC'S ON.
AND WELCOME TO THIS EVENING'S PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, I'LL CALL THE ROLL CHAIRPERS, UH, VICE CHAIRPERSON.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
OUR FIRST AND ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH 22, THE SAUNDERS PROJECT AT ONE ST.
MARY'S PLACE, PO WHITE PLAINS, NEW YORK.
UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE LOT CONTAINING AN EXISTING ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE NEWLY CREATED LOT.
THE EXISTING ONSITE RESIDENCE IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN ON LOT ONE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A NEW CURB CUT ON SALEM ROAD FOR ACCESS TO PROPOSED LOT TWO.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF THREE REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO, UH, SHOW TO THE BOARD THIS EVENING TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER
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TWO 60 OF THE TOWN CODE SNOW STEEP SLOPES OR WETLAND WATER COURT PERMITS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO NICHOLAS SHARIA ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING BEFORE MR. SHARIA BEFORE WE BEGIN.
UM, THE LATEST PLANS WERE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, HAVING WALKED THE SITE AND, UM, IT, IT TO ME SEEMS TO ADDRESS OUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE RUNOFF, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE ONE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE NOW THERE WILL BE A RETAINING WALL THAT THE YARD WILL BE MORE LEVEL AND THERE'S A MUCH MORE ROBUST, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM UNDERGROUND.
SO I, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, WENT A LITTLE FURTHER, DUG A LITTLE DEEPER, LITERALLY
SO, MR. SHARIA, WE'LL HAVE YOU PRESENT THE PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, UH, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND.
UM, NICHOLAS SHARIA, HUDSON ENGINEERING REPRESENTING, UH, CARRIE SAUNDERS FOR ONE ST.
MARY'S PLACE, UH, SUBDIVISION, UM, FROM A SINGLE FAMILY, I'M SORRY, FROM, UH, ONE LOTS INTO TWO LOTS IN THE R 15 ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, AS AARON WENT OVER BEFORE, UH, BASED UPON THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, WE HAVE, UH, REDESIGNED MUCH OF WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.
UM, WE'VE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY AND HAVE, UH, SHOWN SOME, UH, DIFFERENT GRADING THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO LEVEL OUT THE BACKYARD.
UM, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL PERCOLATION AND DEEP HOLE TESTS, UH, COMPLETED ON THE SITE, UH, JANUARY 30TH.
UM, THESE ADDITIONAL TESTS INDICATED THE PRESENCE OF GROUNDWATER ON THE PROPERTY.
I KNOW THIS WAS A, UH, CONCERN OF SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS A CONCERN OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, UH, SO WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS GROUNDWATER ON THE SITE APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET BELOW GRADE.
UM, THE ONLY THING I CAN REALLY SAY ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TEST THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WE DID, UH, LAST SUMMER WAS THAT IT WAS EXTREMELY DRY DURING THE SUMMER AND, UH, GROUNDWATER LEVELS CAN FLUCTUATE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WE GET.
SO, UM, THERE WAS NO ATTEMPT TO REALLY MISLEAD THE BOARD.
WE JUST HAD DIFFERENT RESULTS FROM WHAT WE HAD, UM, DURING THE SUMMER OF 22.
UH, DID YOU DIG IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS? WE DID.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT MY, UH, SHEET C THREE, THE SITE PLAN, UM, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO ON SHEET C THREE, WE DID TWO ADDITIONAL TEST BITS HERE IN THE REAR YARD, UH, TEST BITS THREE AND FOUR.
AND, UH, WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS GROUNDWATER, UM, AROUND BETWEEN, UH, TWO AND A HALF TO THREE FEET ON THE SITE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE REAR YARD, UH, WHERE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IS LOCATED.
WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO RAISE THE GRADE HERE WITH THE RETAINING WALL SHOWN.
UH, THESE RETAINING WALLS, UH, RANGE FROM FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT TO ZERO IN THE REAR YARD HERE AT THIS CORNER.
UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY A, A HUGE CHANGE IN GRADE, UM, IN THE BACKYARD.
WE'RE RAISING ABOUT TWO FEET JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE STORM WATER SYSTEM IN THE BACKYARD FOR ANY, UH, IMPERVIOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ROOF AREA, DRIVEWAYS, WHATEVER.
UM, THIS SYSTEM WILL BE CAPABLE OF CAPTURING IT.
UH, SO, UM, ALL IN ALL, I, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF DEMONSTRATED THAT, UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING GREAT CARE IN TRYING TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE SITE.
AND I, I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN OF MOST OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, OR MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE REASON OF THE GRADE AND LEVELING OUT THE BACKYARD, UM, WE ARE ALSO, UM, PROPOSING THE REPLACEMENT TREES IN THE REAR YARD HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT MY, UM, SHEET C T T R ONE, NOT ONLY ARE WE, UH, REPLACING THE THREE TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE, UM, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING A PLANTING BED IN THE BACKYARD, WHICH WILL FURTHER SLOW RUNOFF RATES.
UM, ANYTHING COMING FROM THIS CORNER OF THE LOT, UH, GOING TO THE BACKYARD
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HERE, UH, THIS PLANTING BED WILL REDUCE THE, THE, THE RATE OF RUNOFF, UM, FROM THESE GRASS AREAS.CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT DRAWING? I BELIEVE THERE WAS A HEDGE ALONG THERE AND IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE TAKING THAT HEDGE OUT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO, UM, THIS HEDGE HERE, YES, THIS HEDGE WILL BE TAKEN OUT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA BE PLANTING NEW, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING NEW PLANTINGS IN THIS AREA, SO ANYTHING THAT WILL BE REMOVED WILL BE REPLACED.
UM, AND MY QUESTION, I GUESS IS THE VIEW FROM THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT NOW THEY MM-HMM.
UM, SO WE HAVE NOT DETERMINED YET WHAT THE, UH, SPECIFIC PLANTINGS WILL BE.
UM, BUT ON THE BOARD'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION, I CAN, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE DO ADD SOME TYPE OF SCREENING BACK THERE, WHETHER IT'S, UM, EVERGREENS OR, UH, WHATEVER LIST IS COMPLIANT WITH, UM, UH, WITH THE TOWN STANDARDS.
UH, WELL THAT WOULD BE MY PERSONAL FEELING AND PREFERENCE, BUT I'M JUST ONE OF THE MEMBERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE THAT YOU WANT TO, UM, DESCRIBE ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE GO ASK FOR QUESTIONS? UM, NO, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER EVERYONE'S INPUT FROM THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I, I, I GUESS I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN WITH RUNOFF, UH, FROM THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE DID ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, WE, NOT ONLY DID WE GET THE SURVEY UPDATED AND UH, GOT TOPO, YOU KNOW, DONE FOR THE REAR SHOWING THAT WALL IN THE BACK THERE.
BUT, UM, NOT ALL THE RUNOFF, UH, FROM THIS SITE, UH, OR NOT ALL THE RUNOFF ISSUES, UM, ARE COMING FROM THIS PORTION OF, OF, UH, ONE ST.
UM, THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION TO, TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF ONE ST.
MARY'S, WHICH ALSO, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO THE RUNOFF, UH, ISSUES THAT, UH, THE PROPERTIES BEHIND WHEN ST.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, YOU MADE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE GRADING AND WILL, UM, HAVE A ROBUST UNDERGROUND, UH, RETENTION SYSTEM FOR THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO YES, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
BEFORE YOU GO IN, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE BOARD THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? UH,
SO I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK DEPENDING ON, UH, WHERE THE BOARD GOES IN TERMS OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT IF THE BOARD DOES OR WERE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT DURING THAT WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD TO FORMALIZE THAT REAR LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, AND THAT LANDSCAPE STRIP AREA SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A PLAN THAT'S PUT UP ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT WANNA ISSUE A COMMENT OR REVIEW IT PRIOR TO CLOSE OF THE OPEN WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD.
UH, IN ADDITION, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT THE REVISION TO THE PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER RESULTED IN REDUCED IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
YOU MAY RECALL THERE WAS A LONGER DRIVEWAY THAT I THINK MR. GOLDEN DID NOT PARTICULARLY CARE FOR.
UM, THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED TO BE A SHORTER RUN INTO THE PROPERTY REDUCING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
THE HOUSE HAS BEEN BROUGHT CLOSER TO, UH, SALEM ROAD, UH, WHICH WE THINK IS A BENEFIT.
WE'VE CIRCULATED THE REVISED PLAN TO BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO HAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE NO, DIDN'T RESULT IN ANY NEED FOR ANY SORT OF VARIANCES.
UM, SO IT'S ZONING COMPLIANT WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE REDESIGN AND, UH, TOWN ENGINEER'S OFFICE HAS PRELIMINARILY LOOKED AT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND WILL ENSURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH, UM, ALL TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS.
I GUESS ONE QUESTION THAT COMES UP WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS, HOW DOES THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET TO THE HOUSE DIFFER FROM THE OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE THEY ALL SET BACK MORE? IS IT A VARIETY? YOU KNOW, IS THIS GONNA STAND OUT BY BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET? JUST A QUESTION IN MY MIND.
UM, I CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
I CAN, UH, BRING UP THE MAP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YOU COULD SEE SEVERAL OF THE HOMES HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANTED THIS IS FROM, UM, G
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I S SYSTEMS, BUT, UM, THERE IT ISN'T SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER HOUSES IN NEIGHBORHOOD.I THINK IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT, UM, IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR SETBACK FROM SUSPECT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT COR NO.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? WAIT, CORT DOES HAVE HIS HAND UP.
SORRY, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SEE YOU.
YOU'RE ON AARON'S LAPTOP IN A TINY LITTLE BOX.
UH, NO, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT TO, UH, UH, CONGRATULATE THE APPLICANT TO PUTTING THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE, UH, THIS, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH MAKES IT A, UH, GOING IN AND OUT OF THE, UH, THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY EASIER.
SO YOU LIKE THE WAY IT IS? THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? AARON? UH, NO.
NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND THERE'S NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING.
AND WE'VE DONE CCRA ON THIS ALREADY.
SO, UH, PROCEDURALLY, PROCEDURALLY, IF THE BOARD, WE TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR UNTIL WHAT WE'RE, WHAT STAFF SUGGESTS IS THAT, UM, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SOME EXTRA TIME, UM, BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND OUR NEXT MEETING ON MONDAY, UH, THE THIRD THAT, AND GIVEN THAT WE WANT THAT LANDSCAPE STRIP TO BE, UH, FINALIZED WITH STAFF, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL THE 27TH OF MARCH 27TH.
SO IT'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN UNTIL MARCH 27TH.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO, UH, YES, THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE, I'M SORRY, MR. EK, THAT, UM, WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR. SHARAY AND HIS OFFICE TO HAVE THAT LANDSCAPE, UH, STRIP DETAILED, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK.
TOM, MS.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, THEY CANCELED A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT THEY REALLY WORKED HARD TO BRING THIS HOME.
THEY WORKED REALLY HARD AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING SO BECAUSE WE WERE NOT HAPPY.
SO ARE WE DONE THEN FOR THE ENTIRE, YOU WANT TO CLOSE THIS EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARING SESSION? I NEED A MOTION.
MAY I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT? SO MOVED.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? I DIDN'T.
ANY ABSTENTIONS? ANYONE WANT TO STAY HERE LONGER?
9:11 PM HAVE A GREAT EVENING EVERYONE.