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READY? YES.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA MONDAY, April 3, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE APRIL 3RD, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING 2023.ALSO, HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY NEXT WEEK.
WHICHEVER, WHENEVER YOU DECIDE TO CELEBRATE, JUST HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
UM, COULD YOU CALL THE, THE ROLE, PLEASE? MR. SCHMIDT? CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
WE'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. DESAI, MR. GOLDEN, MR. SNAGS AND MS. FREYTAG ARE ALTERNATE, ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
SO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON, UH, NO ONE ON ZOOM, SO, OKAY.
SO THAT MEANS TONIGHT JUST THE GROUND RULES FOR US TO PASS ANYTHING.
IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS TONIGHT.
'CAUSE WE NEED FOUR VOTES TO PASS ANYTHING TONIGHT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
JUST EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT RULE.
UM, TOM, DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH YOURS AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH.
FIRST OF ALL, PAGE THREE, THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE AT THE END, IT SAYS, THE PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO CLASSIFY IT SHOULD BE VOTE, I BELIEVE, ON PAGE FIVE.
THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH, THE LAST SENTENCE WITH SOME PARK BENCHES IS THAT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S DESIRE, I BELIEVE SHOULD BE, IF THAT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S DESIRE.
AND THEN, UH, ON PAGE SIX, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE CEMETERY IN THE, UH, WORTHINGTON ESTATES DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM.
AND IT WAS DISCUSSING WHETHER WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE GRAVES OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE KNOW OF.
AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE RECORD AARON'S COMMENTS THAT HISTORICAL MAPS AND SURVEYS SHOWED CLEAR DELINEATION OF THE CEMETERY PROPERTY SEPARATE FROM THE FARM AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.
UM, ON THE LAST, LAST ITEM ON THE, UM, ON, ON THE APPRO, UH, MINUTES, UM, THE SAUNDERS SUBDIVISION, THERE WAS AN ERROR MADE AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING THAT WE CAUGHT, ACTUALLY AFTER THE MEETING, WHICH WAS, IT WAS REALLY A MOVE TO CLOSE, NOT A MOVE TO ADJOURN, UH, THE, THAT HEARING.
SO, UH, WHAT WE, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS CUT IN THE MINUTES, IT SAYS CLOSE.
I WENT BACK AND CHECKED THE TRANSCRIPT, AND IT DOES NOT SAY CLOSED.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS DO TWO THINGS.
ONE IS WE NEED TO, UH, REVISE, UH, THE MINUTES TO SAY WHAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH WAS ADJOURN MM-HMM.
WITH A FOOTNOTE THAT, THAT IT WAS UNDERSTOOD UNDER AFTER THE MEETING, THE MISTAKE WAS CAUGHT AFTER THE MEETING AND WILL BE CORRECTED AT THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING, WHICH IS TONIGHT.
BUT AS BACKGROUND, WE DISCUSSED THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSED, BUT THE WORD I USED WAS AJOUR.
IT WAS A, SO IT WAS A TECHNICALITY, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A MISTAKE.
THE INTENT WAS CLEAR TO CLOSE, CLOSE THE MEETING AND CLOSE THE HEARING.
NOT TO ADJOURN THE HEARING, JUST THE WRONG WORD CAME OUT AND NOBODY PICKED IT UP.
IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE RECORD.
DO WE CLEAN UP THE RECORD DURING THE HEARING OR CAN WE DO IT NOW? NO, WE'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT, RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING ON OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA IS TO VOTE ON SANDERS.
SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RECORD CLEANED UP FIRST.
SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
NOW I WILL TAKE A, UH, A MOTION TO, UH, AMEND THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SAUNDERS AS OPPOSED TO ADJOURN.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVE.
DOES THAT WORK? YES, THAT WORKS.
UH, WE HAVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE, WHICH IS BODY.
THIS IS THEIR FOURTH EXTENSION, I BELIEVE IT IS.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO JUST GO THROUGH IT BRIEFLY FOR US, AARON? SURE.
SO THIS RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18, BODY SUBDIVISION, WINTHROP AVENUE AND PAYNE STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED FOURTH 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
THE, THE OWNER, UM, JACK BATTY, IS CURRENTLY WAITING FOR
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THE, UM, OWNER AND REPRESENTATIVE OF THE KAY LINDEN LIFE ESTATE.OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL CHURCH TO SIGN THE CERTIFICATE OF RESOLUTION FOR AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR AND YOU HAVEN'T SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.
AND THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT INDICATED THAT ALL THE PLANS HAVE BEEN FILED AND ARE READY TO BE ENDORSED BY THE COUNTY, BUT THEY JUST NEED THIS LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION, WHICH THEY EXPECT VERY SOON A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION FROM THE CHURCH.
IT JUST NOT ON THE, IT'S NOT ON THE FILE.
AS SOON AS THEY GET IT, HOPEFULLY THEY, THE COUNTY ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY AND, AND, UH, GET THIS THING DONE.
SO, HOPE I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS, IS IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T, WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK.
THIS, THIS WILL BE THE LAST EXTENSION, BUT I'LL JUST SAY I HAVE A EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH CHURCH BUREAUCRACY AND THINGS MOVE VERY SLOWLY.
I HAVE ALL THE DETAILED STUFF, YOU KNOW.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION FOR 90 DAYS WITH A PROVISO THAT IF IT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED BEYOND THAT, THEY NEED TO COME IN AND TALK TO US.
THE FIRST CASE IS PV 2222, WHICH IS THE SAUNDERS SUBDIVISION, WHICH WE'VE SEEN AND HAS NOW BEEN THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THIS IS, UH, CREATING, UH, TWO LOTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK, I THINK, DONE BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, AND THE ENGINEERING AND THE ENGINEERS ON THIS TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES THAT WE HAD IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AARON, ARE THERE ANYTHING IN THE APPROVAL LETTER THAT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? WE ADDED IN CONDITION 7.2, JUST INDICATING THAT THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE 50 YEAR, UH, STORM EVENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND I SEE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, IS THAT 50 YEAR UNDER THE NEW GUIDELINES OR ARE THE GUIDE THE NEW STANDARDS? UM, THE NEW THE NEW STANDARDS, YES.
AND THEN, UM, WE SHOULD THROW OUT THE OLD STANDARDS.
EVERYTHING NOW SHOULD BE THE NEW STANDARDS.
THERE, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD WORK DONE BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON THIS PROJECT, HAVING THE EXTRA TEST PITS DUG, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE APPLICANT GOING OUT THERE AND DOING THAT.
SO WHILE THEY'RE, YOU WOULDN'T FIND THAT IN THE CONDITIONS, YOU'LL FIND IT IN THE FINDINGS.
SO I JUST, WE DID DO A, A MORE LENGTHY WRITEUP IN THE FINDINGS.
IT SPEAKS ABOUT THE BOARD'S REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO MAKE REVISIONS MM-HMM.
THEY WERE VERY, THE APPLICANT AND ME, GINA HUDSON ENGINEER, WAS VERY RESPONSIVE TO OUR REQUESTS AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK FROM THE FIRST TIME WE WENT OUT THERE WHERE THEY HAD IT STAKED OUT AND NICELY.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT THIS IS THE WAY I'D LIKE TO SEE A PROJECT DONE, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND YOU ACTUALLY DELAYING THE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT YOU, UH, CROSSED ALL YOUR T'S IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE.
SO, UM, UNLESS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE SUB PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION? SO MOVED.
LESLIE AND TOM? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I DIDN'T EVEN TAKE UP MY STOPWATCH TONIGHT.
LIKELY TOMORROW OR FR UH, TOMORROW OR WEDNESDAY.
DO YOU NEED IT FOR THE TONIGHT? UH, YOU CAN LEAVE IT WITH ME.
UH, CASE 2223, UNITED FOR REFRIGERATION.
UH, THIS IS FOR AMENDED SIPAN PLAN, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE AND PRE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THE LAST TIME AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, NEED FOR VARIANCE FROM 25 FEET TO 73 FEET.
AND WE CORRESPONDING TWO, TWO TO THREE STORIES.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE WERE THE TWO BE THERE WAS A PARKING VARIANCE WAIVER.
UM, AARON, COULD YOU JUST DO, DO A FAVOR JUST TO, TO HELP
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OUT HERE, UM, JUST GO THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THE OPEN ISSUES ARE ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT FOR US.SO LET ME GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURAL FIRST.
SO, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE PLANNING BOARD DECLARED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY THAT WAS CIRCULATED TO ALL INVOLVED IN INTERESTED AGENCIES.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS ISSUED TO THE PLANNING BOARD BEING LEAD AGENCY.
SO WOULD, UM, STAFF DRAFTED A, UH, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WHICH THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
AND THIS IS NONE UNLISTED ACTION DIVISION, UNLISTED ACTION.
AND THERE ARE, AS YOU MENTIONED, VARIANCES BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
SO IT EXPECTS THE PLANNING BOARD TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT BOARD ARE YOU ON IN THE APRIL MEETING WITH THE E B A? WE'RE HOPING.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ABLE TO GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU'LL, YOU WILL GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM US TONIGHT.
UH, AT THE CLOSE OF OUR WORK SESSION TODAY AT RIGHT AF BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT PODIUM,
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING WERE ONE, UM, WELL, CLEARLY THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND THE NEED FOR A VISUAL ANALYSIS.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THAT INFORMATION.
IT WAS IN YOUR PACKAGES, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND THE POTENTIAL TO ADD MORE LANDSCAPING ON THE THREE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US A REPORT ON THAT.
THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY AND THE ASPHALT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE REPAVED, UH, IF DRAINAGE COULD BE INSTALLED CLOSER TO NINE.
A UH, AND THEN, WELL THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING ON THE HEIGHT, WHICH WAS ASKING FOR A COMPARISON OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WHICH YOU DID AN ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR, IN YOUR CORRESPONDENCE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO, UM, LOAD UP THE PLANS AND WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE, THE THINGS WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT AARON JUST BROUGHT UP.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO IS, IS GO THROUGH THOSE ISSUES, ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT SURE.
SO, UM, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN.
UM, I WILL JUST SAY THAT, UM, AND I HAVE THEM IF YOU NEED ME.
I'M, THERE'S SOME SECURITY ISSUE THAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
UM, THAT I JUST HAVE TO IT'S ALRIGHT.
UM, SO, UM, SORRY, UH, I CAN ACTUALLY TURN IT OVER TO, I SEE STEVE LAB'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IF HE WANTS TO JUST, HE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS LOCATED AT ON HUNTER LANE, UM, AND HAD A PRETTY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION WITH TWO OF THEM.
ONE OF THEM WAS NOT, UM, HOME AT THE TIME, SO HE LEFT HIS CONTACT INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, WE'VE HEARD FROM HIM SINCE, BUT HE DID MEET WITH TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS ON HUNTER LANE AND DISCUSSED, UM, ADDING A, POTENTIALLY ADDING A FENCE, UM, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO I CAN HAND IT OVER TO HIM AND HE CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHILE I FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
STEVE, TAKE IT AWAY IF WE CAN HEAR HIM.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, JUST ASK YOU TO MUTE STEVEN.
HE SEEMS LIKE HE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A GOOD SIGNAL FOR THIS KIND OF CUR, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
DO YOU HEAR AN ECHO? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING THE ECHO.
HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF, UM, AND THEN TAYLOR AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WE WALKED THE TROUBLE WITH THAT.
EXPLAINED WHO I WAS TROUBLE DEALER WIFI YOUR SIGNAL'S GOING IN AND OUT PHILADELPHIA FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF GENUINELY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT FACT.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS JUST SAID.
THEY WEREN'T GETTING THE ANSWERS, UH, TO THEIR SATISFACTION FROM OUR MANAGER THERE, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
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BUT I GAVE THEM EACH MY CARD.I TOLD THEM I WAS THE GUY AND THEY COULD CALL ME AT ANY TIME.
UM, THE CONCERNS REALLY REVOLVED AROUND THE FENCE.
SO THERE'S A COMMON FENCE BETWEEN THEIR TWO PROPERTIES.
'CAUSE THEY WERE OWNED BY, UH, MR. TAYLOR AT ONE TIME, BOTH PROPERTIES.
AND, UH, THE FENCE HAS DAMAGE.
WE DID NOT CAUSE THE DAMAGE AND THE FENCE IS ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE THE FENCE REPLACED BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEY DON'T WANNA WATCH OUR OPERATIONS.
SO WE WALKED THE PROPERTY, UH, HE SHOWED, BOTH GENTLEMEN SHOWED ME CONCERNS OF THE THIRD NEIGHBOR, MR. BARRERA, LUIGI.
I LEFT MY CARD IN HIS MAILBOX WITH, UH, A NOTE TO CALL ME AT ANY TIME.
UH, MR. UDDI, ALEX, HE WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
HE WANTED US TO LEAVE HIS FENCE ALONE AND HE WANTED UNITED TO PUT UP ITS OWN FENCE AS HIGH AS WE COULD, AS HIGH AS WAS ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CODE.
THAT WAS THE SUM OF HIS DESIRES.
AND HE SEEMED AS IF, UH, HE WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT.
IF, IF HE COULDN'T SEE OUR OPERATIONS, HE'D BE HAPPY.
AND I WILL SAY HE WAS GENUINELY HAPPY WHEN I TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE GONNA MOVE OUR STORE.
THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE THE WHOLESALE OPERATIONS THERE ANYMORE, THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE SIMPLY A, A WAREHOUSE FOR STORAGE.
AS TO MR. TAYLOR, UH, HE ALSO APPRECIATED THAT I HAD MADE THE TRIP AND HE JUST, UH, HE WAS MORE CONTEMPLATIVE.
HE, UH, WANTED TO THINK ABOUT IT.
I TOLD HIM WE COULD, UH, IF HE WANTED TO REMOVE HIS FENCE, UH, WE COULD DO THAT FOR HIM.
UH, WE COULD PAY FOR A NEW FENCE.
THE VIDEO WOULD BE OKAY AND THE AUDIO WOULD BE BAD.
CAN WE, UH, TAKE THIS DOWN? STEVEN, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.
HE'S ON CAN YOU HEAR OFF AND ON? I THINK WE CAN.
I THINK WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
SO, SO BASICALLY THEY, THEY WERE MORE INTERESTED IN POTENTIAL FENCING AND CLEARING OF THE TREES AND THE DEBRIS FROM THE TREES TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTIES.
I THINK THAT RATHER THAN HAVING US PLANT THINGS ON, ALTHOUGH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS DID WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, UM, AND GET BACK TO US, AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM YET.
SO THAT'S, UM, WHERE WE STAND AS FAR AS CONTACTING THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, SORRY, I HAD ONE COMMENT AND QUESTION.
SO IN YOUR VISUAL ANALYSIS, UHHUH, I NOTICED THERE WAS NO, UM, NO IMAGE TAKEN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BACKYARD OF THOSE HOMES.
AND MY QUESTION IS, IF, UM, WHEN THE NEIGHBOR WAS NEIGHBORS WERE VISITED MM-HMM.
HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
I WAS AT THE, UH, JEFFREY JORDAN ARCHITECT.
I WAS AT THE MEETING WITH STEVE OLI AND, UH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING BEING 73 FEET HIGH.
AND I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT ALEX, WHO HAD BEEN TO, UH, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON THE COCA-COLA BUILDING.
AND THEY, THEY WEREN'T, UH, THEY WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
THEY WERE MUCH HAPPIER THAT THE STORE WAS LEAVING AND THERE WAS GONNA BE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS WHAT CONCERNED THEM.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY WERE AWARE OF WHAT WAS COMING.
YEAH, THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF IT.
SO LET ME TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN HERE AND, UM, SEE, YEAH, HERE WE GO.
I JUST WANT TO, I FAILED TO MENTION THAT THE OTHER COMMENT RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL FOR TRAFFIC AND IS THERE GONNA BE MORE TRUCK? YES.
UH, I CAN TOUCH ON THAT AS WELL.
SO RIGHT NOW, THIS IS USED AS A WHOLESALE BUSINESS LOCATION IN ADDITION TO, UM, IN
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ADDITION TO, UH, BEING A, A STORAGE WAREHOUSE FACILITY, WHEN THEY, IF, IF THIS IS ALL GOES THROUGH, UM, AND THE EXPANSION TO THE BUILDING IS DONE, THEY WILL BE REMOVING THE WHOLESALE BUSINESS ASPECT FROM THIS LOCATION AND HOPEFULLY MOVING IT.WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING IT INTO WESTCHESTER PLAZA RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING WHERE IT IS NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
THIS STORAGE WAREHOUSE WOULD BE FOR, PRIMARILY FOR STORING LARGE HVAC SYSTEMS THAT, UM, DON'T FIT IN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED THIS INCREASE IN HEIGHT AND SIZE.
UM, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WHO COME TO THIS LOCATION DAILY AND PICK UP VANS AND PICK TRUCKS TO PICK UP FROM THE WHOLESALE BUSINESS.
NOW ALL OF THAT WOULD BE NO LONGER HAPPEN.
SO ALL THOSE VANS, PICKUP TRUCKS, NONE OF THAT TRAFFIC WOULD HAPPEN AT THIS PROPERTY.
IT WOULD BE ONE TO FIVE TRUCKS PER DAY DROPPING OFF THESE STORAGE, THESE HVAC SYSTEMS TO BE STORED IN THIS WAREHOUSE.
AND THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY TWO TRUCKS PER DAY THAT WOULD, UM, TAKE THOSE AND, AND DELIVER THEM OFFSITE TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING.
BUT THAT THAT DAILY AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FROM THE BUS WHOLESALE BUSINESS WOULD BE COMPLETELY GONE FROM THIS LOCATION.
SO IT WOULD BE AN OVERALL DECREASE.
AND IS YOUR CLIENT WILLING TO PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL? UM, I WOULD ASK STEVE THAT QUESTION.
THE WHOLESALE BUSINESS, I BELIEVE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PART OF THIS PLAN.
BUT I WILL LET STEVE, UM, CONFIRM THAT.
UM, I THINK HE'S STILL ON MUTE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF HE CAN DOESN'T BE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT.
WE GOT A WAYS TO GO YET, RIGHT?
UM, THE OTHER, YOU WANNA, THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP, YOU DON'T WANNA CONDITION IT.
YOU WOULD CONDITION THE TRAFFIC AMOUNT, LIKE THE SCHEDULED TRUCK TRIPS NECESSARILY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CONTROL THAT.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU CONDITION WHAT THE OPERATION IS? RELOCATION.
YOU CAN'T TELL THEM WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BUSINESS.
BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN RESTRICT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
WELL IF THE FINDING IS THAT THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC AND NOT MORE TRAFFIC AND THEN THEY LEAVE THE WHOLESALE THING, THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC THAT FINDING GOES AWAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WAY OF MAKING SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T INCREASE.
I'M NOT, I TRUST, I I TRUST YOU'RE TELLING US THE TRUTH.
I'M JUST SAYING IN TERMS OF DARTING IS AND CROSSING OUR T'S, JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE, OOPS, WE DECIDED NOT TO DO IT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE 15 TRUCKS A DAY.
AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID, WELL, I ASKED THE QUESTION, ARE YOU AGREEABLE? NO.
IF THEY'RE AGREE, NO, WOULDN'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REQUIRE IT.
WE CAN ASK THEM TO AGREE TO IT VOLUNTARILY.
IF I MAY MAKE A SUGGESTION JUST IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND WE SAY BUSINESS, IF THEY CHANGE THEIR WHOLE BUSINESS MODEL TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT DOES NOT INCREASE TRAFFIC, THEN THAT WOULD BE PRECLUDING THEM FROM CHANGING THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
SO RIGHT NOW WE, WE ONLY WANT ONE TO FIVE TRUCKS, CORRECT? YEAH.
I DON'T, THERE, I I DON'T SEE HOW YOU EV WE CAN ABSOLUTELY.
LET'S BE REALISTIC ABOUT ENFORCEABILITY HERE.
WE'RE ALL GONNA LEARN MORE ABOUT IT IN A COUPLE WEEKS, RIGHT.
'CAUSE IT'S A SEMINAR WE'RE ALL GONNA GO TO.
BUT, BUT, UM, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN ENFORCE THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS OR EVEN MONITOR IT.
RIGHT? SO THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT IS THROUGH AN OPERATION.
IT'S GOTTA BE VOLUN IT IS VOLUNTARY, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT WE CAN AGREE TO IT THAT THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
AND, AND THE ONLY COMPONENT I THINK HUGH'S TALKING ABOUT IS WHOLESALE, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE WHOLESALE PART OF THE BUSINESS, MOVING TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
SO WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM HOW TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS OR WHAT TO DO, BUT THEIR STATEMENT WAS THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT AND WANTED TO RIGHT.
AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE FIND PART OF OUR FINDINGS.
IF YOU'RE MOVING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, IS IT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN NOISE TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS
SO THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S FURTHER WAY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ONE LOCATION WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE DON'T HAVE A, WE WANNA STAY IN GREENBURG AND OPERATE THE WHOLESALE BUSINESS IN GREENBURG AND PREFERABLY NEARBY TO OUR LOCATION NOW.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET THIS APPROVED AND MANAGING, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLESALE BUSINESS AFTER.
SO THE, THE, MY POINT IS WHEN WE HAVE A FI WE CAN MAKE A FINDING AND A RECOMMENDATION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT FINDING MM-HMM.
UM, SO A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, UM, THAT I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH.
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I'M GONNA ZOOM IN HERE IF I CAN.UM, WELL I, SO I BELIEVE, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ADDING A CATCH BASIN TO, UM, TO THE PART OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
'CAUSE IT'S A FLAG LOT AS YOU CAN SEE.
SO IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE HERE MM-HMM.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REPAVE THE DRIVEWAY THAT, THAT, THAT CAME UP.
I THINK WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN ON, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTING TO A SIDEWALK FUND.
BUT WE DID SHOW A SIDEWALK ON ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD CONNECTING TO HUNTER LANE ON OUR, ON OUR REVISED PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED LAST WEEK.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT CHANGED SINCE YOU LAST SAW THESE PLANS WAS, UM, AND WE HAVE NOT FULLY UPDATED OUR MATERIALS.
I'M GONNA TRY TO ZOOM IN HERE, UM, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU FIRST.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE PROPOSED, UH, REMOVING SOME TREES, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED REMOVING 15 TREES FROM THIS AREA.
WHEN WE WERE LOOKING INTO DOING THE VISUAL IMPACT STUDY, WE REALIZED THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANTIAL MATURE TREES IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW.
AND IT MIGHT BENEFIT US TO KEEPING SOME OF THESE TREES TO HELP WITH THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS NEW PLAN THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST WEEK SHOWS US REMOVING NINE TREES RATHER THAN THE FULL 15.
UM, THAT DOES MEAN THAT SOME OF THE TREES THAT WOULD REMOVE THE TREES THAT WOULD REMAIN ARE INVASIVE SPECIES, BUT THEY ARE MATURE AND LARGE AND WOULD HELP WITH THE VISUAL IMPACT.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE CAN WORK ON GETTING OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO REDO, UH, THE PLAN AND THE TREE REMOVAL SURVEY.
UM, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR OPINION ON THAT BEFORE YOU GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
WORKING WITH THE TREE, OUR TREE OFFICER OKAY.
WORKING ON A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND COME BACK.
SO, YEAH, LET ME SPEAK TO THIS 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING THE BOARD REALLY NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
AND I CAN ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS I'M ABLE.
SO THERE ARE SOME TALLER TREES OUT THERE BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN REASONABLE SHAPE AT A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE INVASIVE SPECIES.
SO THE THOUGHT WHEN I INITIALLY REVIEWED THE PROJECT WAS LET'S, WE, ONE OF THE TOWN'S POSITIONS IS ELIMINATING INVASIVE SPECIES WHEN WE CAN AND STARTING OVER WITH NEW VEGETATION THAT'S NOT INVASIVE AND ALSO LARGER THAN YOUR STANDARD.
SO THAT'S HOW WE WORK TOGETHER IN THE BEGINNING STAGES.
BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE BOARD'S CONCERNS, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE VIEW SHED FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS INDICATED, WELL, THERE ARE SOME TALLER TREES WE COULD LEAVE THEM.
SO KIND OF JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT OPEN DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD.
MY PREFERENCE JUST BEING AN ARBORIST, IS TO REMOVE THEM, PUT IN THE LARGER SIZE NEW TREES, AND THEY WILL GROW IN AND LIVE A MUCH LONGER LIFE.
EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THOSE INVASIVES AND HAVE TO START OVER ANYWAY.
THAT'S JUST HOW, LIKE HOW TALL APPROXIMATELY THE, THOSE MATURE, MATURE TREES.
AND THE MOST MATURE TREE YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE WITH IS PROBABLY 20 FEET, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING.
15 TO 20:00 AM THEY'RE STILL NOT GONNA GET NEAR THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING THOUGH.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO, YOU'RE YOUNGER TREE, YOU'RE ALSO NOT GONNA HAVE THE, THE, UM, THE GREEN, THE GREEN APPLE.
I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE, UH, INVASIVE TREES.
BUT ON THIS SITE I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOME SITES IT HAS A GREATER IMPACT THAN OTHERS.
IF IT'S A INVASIVE SPECIES, IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A FOREST ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE IT IS FOR US TO LEAVE IT? WHAT WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE? WELL, FIRST OFF, UM, INVASIVE CERTAIN INVASIVES HAD THE ABILITY TO PREVENT OTHER GROWTH WITHIN THEIR AREA.
THEY ACTUALLY, THE ROOT SYSTEMS RELEASE CHEMICALS THAT PREVENT OTHER TYPES OF SPECIES FROM GROWING.
SO THAT CAN, IF THEY LEAVE A LARGE INVASIVE SPECIES ALONG THAT SIDE, AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO PLANT NEW TREES, OKAY.
IT'S HARD TO TELL HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO TAKE.
ALSO, THERE IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT WOODEN AREA TO THE REAR OF THIS SITE THAT THEY EXPLORED LOOKING INTO FOR THE POTENTIAL
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EXPANSION.IT'S A WATERCOURSE IN WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
IT'S STEEPLY SLOPED AND IT HAS ROCK OUT CROPPING.
SO FROM LEAVING THE INVASIVE, WHEN YOU LEAVE THEM, THEY HAVE THE PROPENSITY TO CROP UP IN OTHER AREAS.
AND THAT WOODED AREA COULD EVENTUALLY BECOME OVERRUN WITHIN DAYS.
MY QUESTION, WORK WITH THEM AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH A, WITH A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT THE PLAN SHOULD BE.
OR HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD MEETING OR WHATEVER WE CAN TALK.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE NEIGHBORS FROM THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT? IN, IN THE AUDIENCE, THE UNITED REFRIGERATION PROJECT? SOME PEOPLE WALKED IN.
THIS IS A WORK SESSION TONIGHT.
SO WE CAN'T TAKE TESTIMONY FROM YOU GUYS TONIGHT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THE NEXT STEP FROM HERE WILL BE THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO US AFTER THAT FOR ASSUME, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ZONING BOARD DOES, IF THEY APPROVE THE VARIANCES, IT'LL COME BACK TO US, US FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD.
I JUST WANTED YOU NOT TO BE, I APPRECIATE BY THE WAY YOU'RE COMING OUT AND LISTENING, THAT IS WONDERFUL.
I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT.
BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAME, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HERE IS A GOOD THING.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T COME.
AND I RATHER PEOPLE COME AND HEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FORMULATE YOUR QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN ALWAYS WRITE THINGS BY THE WAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS WRITE IN AND WE READ EVERYTHING.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING.
I JUST WANT, I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A FALSE EXPECTATION OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THIS EVENING.
UM, SO, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UM, THE TOWN STAFF, PROFESSIONAL STAFF ON THE TREE, UM, OKAY.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THE, THAT ADDRESSES ALL YOUR COMMENTS IN OUR, IN OUR LETTER.
WE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE, THE ZONE, SIMILAR ZONES AND THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND SIMILAR ZONES FOR YOUR REVIEW.
'CAUSE YOU ASKED US ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
IT SEEMS YOU WANNA LOOK AT THOSE, THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS WOULD, WHERE THIS WOULDN'T BE A VARIANCE WAS ELMER, UM, AND YONKERS.
BUT THE OTH TWO OTHERS HAD THREE STORIES OR FOUR STORIES ALLOWED.
SO ON THE STORIES, THE 50 50, THE LOWEST FEET, THE FEET NOT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION WHERE TWO RESTRICTIVE WHEN IT COME COMES TO THIS.
THE QUESTION IS HOW, HOW RESTRICTIVE SHOULD WE BE? UH, I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF PARKING FOR YEARS NOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THESE KINDS OF BUILDINGS, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF BUILDING HEIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE KINDS OF BUILDINGS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, THE LAW GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION WE HAVE HERE JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT MM-HMM.
JUST IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MENTALITIES AS, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENT BEFORE WE WRITE THE LAW.
ALL I'M SAYING IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES IS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF STORIES.
AND BOTH IN MOUNT PLEASANT AND WHITE PLAINS.
IT'S THREE STORIES OR FOUR STORIES.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY STORIES, BUT YOU'RE 125 FEET ANYWAY, ANYWAY MATTER.
BUT THE OTHER ONE IS THE FEET, SO RIGHT.
DO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE DID PROVIDE YOU THAT INFORMATION.
DID, DO YOU NEED THAT EXTRA, UH, WAREHOUSE CLEARANCE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE, THE UNITS PER FLOOR? IS THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU NEED? YES.
SO JUST TO SUM UP, UM, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL YOUR CON YES.
AND THIS IS ON PAGE FOUR, THE COMMENT THREE IN TERMS OF, UM, LAND BANKING, UH, PARKING, PARKING SPACES.
UH, YOU SAID, UH, UH, 89 ARE PROPOSED AND, UH, 55 OF BEING LAND BANK, BUT UNDERNEATH IT YOU SAID 34 PARKLANDS SPACES A PROPOSED, SO I DON'T, RIGHT.
SO WHAT CHANGED? WHAT ELSE CHANGED? SO HOW MANY BEING MAN BANKED IN THIS, YOU WANT TAKE IT? UH, I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
SO THE COMMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY STAFF AND NOR THE BOARD INDICATED THAT THEIR APPLICATION NOTED THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING 89 SPACES OF WHICH 55 LAND WERE GONNA BE LAND BANK.
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ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS DONE, AND IN THEIR RESPONSE, THEY INDICATE THE FORM HAS BEEN REVISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MEMORANDUM ISSUED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHICH INDICATES THAT ALTHOUGH THEY'RE PROPOSING OR HAVE SHOWN THE LAND BANK PARKING SPACES, THEY CANNOT GET CREDIT FOR THOSE.AND THEREFORE THE VARIANCE IS DOWN TO 34 SPACES.
NOW, WILL ANY SPACE BE LAND BANK? NO.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE NORMALLY WE HAVE WEB BANK SPACES IN, OUT ON PROPERTY, NOT WITHIN A BUILDING.
SO WE'D NEED TO FLUSH OUT OH, IT'S INSIDE.
THEY'RE PROPOSED ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
MY MY FEELING ABOUT THIS ONE IS IF YOU'RE MOVING THE, AGAIN, THIS COMES BACK TO WHY IT WOULD BE MOVING, THE WHOLESALE IS SO IMPORTANT.
THEY ALREADY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY.
SO IT, THIS, IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO DO THIS.
I, AND THAT, THAT'S THE LEAST OF MY, MY CONCERNS IS DEPARTMENT, QUITE HONEST.
THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMENTS WE'D LIKE YOU TO GO THROUGH IN THE COVER LETTER OKAY.
RELATED TO FIRE ACCESS FIRE HYDRANT.
UM, YOU RESPONDED PREVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE BOARD GIVE US JUST A REFRESHER.
UM, SO WE DID PROVIDE, UM, A SPRINKLER PLAN.
I, NO, THIS IS THE, UM, SORRY.
THAT'S THE, UM, WE DID PROVIDE, I BELIEVE THIS IS OTHER THING, UM, YEAH.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DRAWINGS.
WE PROVIDED, UM, A, A FIRE TRUCK TURNING ACCESS PLAN.
UM, WE ALSO PROVIDED A SPRINKLER PLAN FOR THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, THERE, UH, THE DRAWINGS WERE UPDATED TO SHOW THE HYDRANT, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT ON THE SIDEWALK.
OBVIOUSLY NOT A CONNECTICUT OR FLORIDA STATE FAN.
BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A COMMITMENT TO DO SOMETHING, IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A COMMITMENT TO DO SOMETHING.
I MEAN, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD, WE WOULD PREFER TO COMMIT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO A SIDEWALK FUND.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME TO WORK WITH D O T TO PUT IN AN ACTUAL SIDEWALK FOR THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA GO FROM, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE.
I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST ONE WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT.
WHETHER OR NOT IT IS THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK, OR YOU PUT MONEY INTO A FUND OR YOU WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE TOWN.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE A COMMITMENT TO SOMETHING.
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY READY TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO DO THAT.
REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE THINGS THE PROJECT TEAM INDICATED TO ME IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLANS TO GO BEFORE NEW YORK STATE D O T FOR A HIGHWAY WORK PERMIT OR ANYTHING.
SO IT'D BE INTRODUCING ANOTHER LAYER OF COMPANY YEAH, YEAH.
SO WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER TO GET AN APPROXIMATE COST CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE, AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK AT A FUTURE TIME, THAT'S FINE.
SO JUST REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.
WE'RE BASICALLY DOING SEEKER A RECOMMENDATION ON, ON THE ZONING.
UM, I LOVE THAT STUFF TIED UP THOUGH, BEFORE YOU COME BACK, BACK HERE.
SO THE QUESTIONS LIKE WALTER WAS ASKING, THERE'S NO QUESTION WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT AT THE TIME.
IT COMES BACK FOR US FOR SITE FINAL APPROVAL.
ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT? NOT ON MY END.
I THINK YOU COULD CONSIDER SEEKER.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I THINK THEY'RE DOING A, A GOOD JOB IN ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS.
FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVE SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
THE FIRST THING YOU NEED TO DO IS, UH, DECLARE YOURSELF LEAD AGENCY FOR SECRET PURPOSES.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS, WHICH I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD, LEAD
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AGENCY THEN? SO MOVED.NOW COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER? SO MOVED.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO GIVE THIS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER.
WELL, I THINK YOU'D BE JUST BY HERE.
NOW, NOW THE PART, UM, THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO FOR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE Z B A TO THE Z B A Z B A.
EVEN THOUGH THEY MAKE THE DECISION ON THIS, THEY HAVE ASKED US AND FOR YEARS NOW TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM AS TO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
UM, THE THREE OPTIONS OBVIOUSLY ARE POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, AND NEUTRAL.
NOW IT ISN'T JUST THE, THE RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S WHAT WE SAY IN THE RECOMMENDATION ALSO, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, THE, THE ISSUE I HAVE AS A PLAN, AS A PLANNING BOARD IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT, AND WE WILL, WE WILL PUT IN A FINDING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO REVISIT THE CODE.
THE THING WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF THOUGH, AS A PLANNING BOARD, IS NOT TO CREATE A PRECEDENT THAT WE'VE NOW BASICALLY MADE NEW LAW.
WE ARE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD, NOT A LEGISLATIVE BOARD.
SO IF THAT'S TOWN BOARD'S JOB, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO GIVEN THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON THIS, I THINK GUYS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THE ZONING BOARD KNOWS IT SHOULD BE IN THE, THEIR BALLPARK, NOT OURS.
THE DECISION TO ME NEEDS TO BE BASED ON YOUR ABILITY TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS FROM OTHER POTENTIAL PLACES IN THE AREA, AS WELL AS THE GOOD WORK YOU'VE ALREADY DONE SHOWING THE IMPACT, BEING, BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, WHATEVER I IMPACT IT, IT, IT'S ADDRESSABLE.
BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO SHOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA END UP WITH A, LIKE A SERIES OF 73, 73 FOOT BUILDINGS ALONG THERE.
SO, DIFFERENTIATING THAT, WHICH ISN'T SOMETHING WE'VE REALLY GOTTEN INTO COMPLETELY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT IT'S OBVIOUS BY THE WAY, FROM THE, UM, VISUALS YOU DID.
THAT THE BUILDING IS SUNK DOWN IN A, IN A GOLLY MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, OF WHETHER, TO ME IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE.
ALL THE VARIANCES TOGETHER OR, OKAY, LET'S DO PARKING FIRST.
I SAY POSITIVE, POSITIVE ON PARKING.
IF YOU COULD SPECIFY THE VARIANCE.
SO, UM, THERE ARE THREE TOTAL AREAS.
SPECIFY THE VARIANCES IS REQUIRED.
THE FIRST THE BOARD'S GONNA CONSIDER IS THE VARIANCE RELATED TO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FROM RIGHT.
YOU'VE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT BUSINESS NEEDS ARE MM-HMM.
RIGHT? SO EVERYBODY AGREE IT'S POSITIVE I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE PARKING BURN.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO YOU GET POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
THE OTHER TWO I THINK YOU GOTTA TAKE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE RELATED.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S THE SAME ISSUE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER IT'S STORIES OR HEIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN SEPARATE THE TWO OF THEM AROUND.
I THINK WHATEVER WE MAKE, SO GIMME A DIFFERENT OPINION.
WHETHER WE SHOULD SEPARATE THEM, SEPARATE UP THE HEIGHT FROM THE STORIES.
I, I FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN SEPARATELY PERSONALLY.
THEN WE'LL TAKE 'EM SEPARATELY.
LET'S START WITH THE STORIES THEN.
SO STORIES TWO PERMITTED, UH, THREE PROPOSED.
I WOULD DEFINITELY GIVE THAT A POSITIVE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A GULLY, I COMPARED TO, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA, IT'S NOT REALLY THREE STORIES IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUNK INTO A GULLY.
SO THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S THREE STORIES, IT'S FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S LESS THAN THREE STORIES.
SO I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING THAT A POSITIVE IN THIS INSTANCE.
THAT'S A DIFFERENTIATING FACTOR IN THIS S YEAH.
THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE GUT.
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WHAT'S YOUR, YOUR FEELING ON THIS? I AGREE AND ONLY BECAUSE OF THAT OKAY.I WAS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO NEUTRAL, BUT I WILL GO ALONG WITH YOU GUYS ON, ON THAT.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN? I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO MAKE IT A POSITIVE, A POSITIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON THE STORIES? ON THE STORY.
FINALLY LET'S DISCUSS THE HEIGHT.
UM, LET ME, I WANNA HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.
I HAVE MY OPINION, BUT I'LL WAIT.
I, I, I WOULD ARGUE THE SAME THING THAT THE HEIGHT NORMALLY IS AN ISSUE, BUT THE SAME RATIONALE I USE FOR THE STORIES IS APPLICABLE TO THE HEIGHT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SUNK DOWN IN, IN A GULLY.
SO IF YOU ARE FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE SITE IS NOT REALLY, UH, IT'S STILL WAY OVER 25 FEET WITH THE, IT'S WAY OVER 25 FEET, THREE TIMES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT'S SUNK DOWN, BUT IT'S STILL WAY OVER THAT.
LESLIE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? NO, AND I, I'M SORRY.
'CAUSE THAT LAST PART THAT YOU, I WASN'T REALLY SURE WHAT THAT, UM, GULLY HOW MANY FEET THAT TOOK.
DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR DOWN IT IS HERE? YEAH.
IT'S ABOUT 20 TO 30 FEET LOWER THAN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE STORY'S OKAY.
RIGHT? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE HEIGHT? SO THE HEIGHT ONLY AGAIN, IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE THAT THERE'S 20 TO 30 FEET BELOW.
TOM, WAIT, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? POSITIVE OR POSITIVE? YES.
WELL, I WAS CERTAINLY LEANING POSITIVE BEFORE WE DISCUSSED THIS, UM, EARLIER TODAY.
AND I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM VOTING FOR POSITIVE.
I WAS STRONG, STRONGLY IN A NEUTRAL CATEGORY BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THIS IS A ZONING BOARD ISSUE, NOT OURS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, BUT I THINK IF, I THINK WHEN YOU WRITE IT UP, GUYS, OUR TWO BRILLIANT WRITERS HERE, IF WE'RE GONNA WRITE IT UP AS A POSITIVE, YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN SPECIFIC IS AN UNUSUAL CASE BECAUSE IT DOES SIT IN THE GULLY.
WE SHOULD PUT IN THERE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE REVISITING, UH, THE CODE AS WELL IN THERE IS A FINDING.
AND WE THINK THAT THE BENEFIT OF THIS, OF THIS THRIVING BUSINESS OUTWEIGHS ANY, ANY IMPACT.
AND WE BELIEVE THE IMPACT COULD BE MITIGATED.
OKAY? WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT AS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
COULD I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION? A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION? THEN I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BILL.
YOU'RE VERY GOOD JOB BY THE WAY.
AND I REALLY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THIS ISN'T, THIS WASN'T QUITE AS EASY FOR US.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
OKAY, WE CAN TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
AND THEN WE'LL BE UP, UP ON THE DESK.
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ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THAT.YOU MAKE NOISE THERE, LESLIE? WITH YOUR UH, NO, JUST HIS OVER.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT.
UH, UM, MR. SCHMIDT, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. DESAI, MR. GOLDEN, MR. SNAGS AND OUR ALTERNATE MS. F FREIGHT TAG ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
I THINK THEY'RE ALL AT THE GAME, BUT WE'RE NOT
CASE PB 2227, LIBERTY COCA-COLA, A COMMITTED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, YOU WERE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU GOT THROUGH IN ONE, ONE SWOOP.
DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZARIN STEINMETZ.
PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING LIBERTY COCA-COLA.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM HERE WITH OUR ENTIRE TEAM WHO HAS, UH, THEY'VE ALL BEEN INTRODUCED PREVIOUSLY.
SO I WILL SPARE YOU THAT, UM, ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, WE WERE, UH, QUITE SUCCESSFUL TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE, UH, ZONING BOARD WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION WITH THE NEGATIVE, UH, DECLARATION THAT YOUR BOARD HAD ISSUED.
OUR TEAM PRESENTED THE APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCES TO THE ZONING BOARD, AND IN ONE EVENING AFTER WE ANSWERED THEIR QUESTIONS, THEY ADOPTED A, UH, VOICE RESOLUTION AND CODIFIED IT IN A WRITTEN RESOLUTION.
TAKING A STEP BACK, 'CAUSE I KNOW STAFF HAD ASKED US TO DO SO, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE APPEARED IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD SEVERAL TIMES IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, A BRIEF EXPLANATION FOR THE RECORD OF WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS, JUST A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, LIBERTY COCA-COLA, AS, UH, THE BOARD KNOWS, AND SOME FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC MAY BE AWARE, IS, UM, A WONDERFUL, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING OPERATION HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IT'S LOCATED ON A 22 ACRE SITE AND IT ACTUALLY CONTAINS A 450,000 SQUARE FOOT COCA-COLA, AND I'LL REPEAT THAT.
COCA-COLA, UH, BOTTLING PLANT.
UM, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE, UH, COCA-COLA DECIDED THEY WANTED TO HAVE SORT OF CUTTING EDGE STATE OF THE ART SUSTAINABLE ENERGY PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE FILED AN APPLICATION FROM AMEND SITE PLANT APPROVAL TO ALLOW FOR A CO-GENERATION, UH, INSTALLATION WITH A RECAPTURE COMPONENT.
AS, UH, AS OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE EXPLAINED TO THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC, WHAT THIS BASICALLY INVOLVES IS GENERATING ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO ALMOST ENTIRELY OPERATE THE BOTTLING PLANT.
IN ADDITION TO GENERATING COOLING AND HEATING, BOTH OF WHICH WE HAVE ALL COME TO LEARN, ARE INVOLVED IN THE MANUFACTURING AND BOTTLING PROCESS.
WHAT'S MOST UNIQUE ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, AND, AND TO ME I'LL CALL IT THE COOLEST PART OF THE APPLICATION, IS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE BYPRODUCTS OF CO-GENERATION IS THE EMISSION OF C O TWO CARBON DIOXIDE.
THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
HOWEVER, IT'S EXCELLENT IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY CAPTURE IT, BRING IT INSIDE, CLEAN IT TO BEVERAGE GRADE QUALITY, AND USE IT FOR PUTTING THE FIZZ OR THE CARBONATION IN SODA.
SO RATHER THAN SHIPPING IN CARBON DIOXIDE, WHICH LIBERTY COCA-COLA HAS BEEN DOING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WITH 400 TRUCKS COMING AND GOING EACH AND EVERY YEAR BRINGING IN CARBON DIOXIDE FOR BOTTLING, THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE MANUFACTURING THEIR OWN C O TWO IN ADDITION TO EFFECTIVELY PROVIDING THEIR OWN ONSITE ENERGY.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY ABOUT AS MUCH OF A WIN-WIN WIN AS ONE CAN GET IN.
IN THIS CONTEXT, AS WE'VE EXPLAINED TO THE BOARD, IT IS, UH, AN AS OF RIGHT USE.
UM, IT IS PERMITTED UNDER YOUR ZONING IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THE OTHER HURDLE THAT WE HAD IS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE, UM, THE CO-GENERATION AND THE CLEANSING OF THE C O TWO, THIS OPERATION REQUIRES TWO ESSENTIALLY 77 FOOT TOWERS.
I SAY ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE ONE IS 77 FEET AND THE OTHER IS 75 AND A HALF FEET, GIVE OR TAKE SIX INCHES HERE OR THERE.
UM, YOUR ZONING ONLY ALLOWS, UH, 40 FOOT HEIGHT INSTALLATION IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
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THE REVIEW OF STAFF, UM, AND THE ASSISTANCE OF YOUR BOARD, WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND EXPLAIN TO THEM AS WE EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT THE VALUE WAS IN HAVING THESE INSTALLATIONS ON SITE.IN ADDITION, AT THE CHAIR AND THE BOARD AND STAFF'S REQUEST, YOU HAD ALREADY MADE US GO THROUGH A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE VISUAL ANALYSIS.
SO BY THE TIME WE GOT TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THEM AND WE DID WITH JOE THOMPSON'S HEALTH, NINE DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY.
SO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING TO LIFE FOR THE ZONING BOARD AS WE DID FOR YOU AND THE PUBLIC, THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THESE, UM, INSTALLATIONS, THESE 77 FOOT TOWERS, THEY PALE IN COMPARISON TO SOME WATER TOWERS IN NEARBY PROXIMITY, AS WELL AS THE HIGH TENSION, UM, STANCHIONS FOR THE CONED POWER LINES.
SO WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US? UM, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS.
YOU AS LEAD AGENCY HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
YOU'VE MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THE ASPECTS OF THIS APPLICATION THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH ZONING.
WE WENT TO THE ZONING, UH, BOARD OF APPEALS AS ANOTHER INVOLVED AGENCY UNDER CRE AND THEY GRANTED RELIEF.
WE'VE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE TOWN'S, UM, TECHNICAL STAFF AND CONSULTANTS.
UM, UH, GARRETT, AARON, AMANDA AND THE ENTIRE TEAM HAVE BEEN QUITE VIGILANT IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR TEAM ANSWERED A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A QUITE A BIT OF TIME SPENT ON, UM, CIRCULATION ON THIS SITE AS WELL AS, UM, FIRE SAFETY.
UH, I KNOW YOU ARE, UH, I BELIEVE YOUR CONSULTANT ED LARKIN FROM, UH, LABA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS CHAZEN, I THINK IS ONLINE.
UH, BUT MR. LARKIN, WHOM WE, UH, WHOM WE KNOW, UH, WELL, HAS BEEN, UH, ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH ROB WALSH, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IN ANALYZING VEHICULAR MOVEMENT, CIRCULATION, FIRE HYDRANTS, AND FIRE FLOW.
I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS.
I KNOW MR. WALSH AND MR. UH, LARKIN HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF BACK AND FORTH, UM, UH, EXCHANGES OF WRITTEN INFORMATION AND PHONE CALLS.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT MR. LARKIN HAS REQUESTED THAT HAS NOT BEEN NAILED DOWN.
UM, AS I SAID TO STAFF EARLIER, I THINK THOSE, UM, CAN BE ADDRESSED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, THERE, THERE'S NO QUESTION A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS TO MANDATE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE CIRCULATION ON SITE.
I THINK FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE OUT THERE, AND I THINK MAYBE IT WAS ONLY STAFF, UH, FOR THE SITE INSPECTION STAFF DID SEE, UH, HOW THE SITE IS NAVIGATED.
I THINK, UM, EITHER COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, UH, EITHER DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT OR COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE DID STATE FOR THE RECORD MONTHS AGO THAT HE SAW THE, UH, TRUCKS BEING DRIVEN AROUND AND, AND THE DEMONSTRATION ON SITE, UM, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN ADEQUATE FIRE CIRCULATION.
THERE WERE FIRE, UH, TESTS FLOWS OR FIRE, UH, FIRE FLOW TESTS PERFORMED EARLIER IN CONNECTION WITH A PARTICULAR HYDRANT OUT THERE THAT DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT FLOW.
I THINK MR. LARKIN MAY HAVE ASKED FOR ANOTHER TEST.
UM, LIBERTY COKE IS, IS CERTAINLY PREPARED TO DO THAT.
THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WITH WITHOUT ANY, UH, ANY DIFFICULTY.
UM, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD MENTION, WE HAD ALSO BEEN ASKED, UM, TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING.
UM, THE SITE WE BELIEVE HAS MORE THAN ADEQUATE PARKING.
THERE IS NO REDUCTION MATHEMATICALLY IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THIS INSTALLATION, UH, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE ABOUT THIS.
UH, WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR INITIAL ANALYSIS, ROB DID A VERY CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS OF PARKING.
UM, AND THAT WAS WHAT WE PUT ON OUR PLANS, REQUIRING SOME 800 SOME ODD PARKING SPACES WHERE THERE ARE ONLY 309.
UH, I THINK IF I'M HITTING MY NUMBER CORRECTLY, 3 39, 3 39, UM, ON SITE, UH, THE SITE IS OPERATED WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PRESENTLY THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE DEFICIENCY AND THERE IS NO CHANGE, THERE'S NO ELIMINATION.
WHEN WE FIRST APPEARED IN FRONT OF YOU, AND I GUESS I SHOULD STATE THIS FOR THE RECORD, WHEN WE FIRST APPEARED IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD, UM, AT THE OUTSET OF THIS APPLICATION, WE APPEARED TO BE ELIMINATING NINE PARKING SPACES AS A RESULT OF SOME GREAT WORK BY THE TEAM.
UM, THEY REARRANGED SOME THINGS.
THE 339 PARKING SPACES THAT EXIST TODAY WILL EXIST, UM, AFTER THE INSTALLATION.
UM, AARON, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS OR OUR TEAM, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO SO.
UM, BUT UH, WE ARE EXTREMELY PLEASED WITH HOW, UH, ATTENTIVE STAFF AND THE BOARD HAVE BEEN TO THIS APPLICATION.
WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS UNDERWAY.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, UH, LIBERTY KOCH IS, UM, IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROGRAM.
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RUNNING THROUGH THOSE ITEMS AND UH, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK HERE WITH YOUR APPLICATION.UH, WE DO HAVE MR. LARKIN, OUR FIRE CONSULTANT ON THE ZOOM, HOWEVER, HE'S CURRENTLY TRAVELING, SO, UH, I COULDN'T GET THROUGH TO HIM.
I JUST DID WANT TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH HIS MOST RECENT REVIEW MEMO DATED, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
DATED, DATED MARCH 28TH, 2023, WHICH WAS FORWARDED ALONG TO THE TEAM.
JUST HIT ON SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS.
SOME WERE ALREADY ADDRESSED AND I MAY, UH, DUPLICATE THAT AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DO, BUT, UH, NO APOLOGIES.
HIS FIRST COMMENT RELATED TO EMERGENCY ACCESS CIRCULATION, WHICH WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IN CO WRITTEN COMMENTS ISSUED BY HIS OFFICE.
AND, UM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PARTICULARLY AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S EMERGENCY, UH, THERE'S APPROPRIATE AND LANE WIDTH IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN EMERGENCY ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CIRCULATION PATH OF THE BUILDING.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE INDICATED THAT YOU'LL SEE TO IT, HOWEVER, I THINK ON THE FINAL DRAWING MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THERE IS GONNA BE SOME REMAINING TRAILER STORAGE AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
AND IT WAS KIND OF LOOSELY DELINEATED, I'LL CALL IT ON THE PLAN.
AND I THINK IF IT WAS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, IT WOULD HELP EVERYONE AND THEN A DISTANCE SHOWN FROM THE NEAREST PORTION TO DELINEATE THE WIDTH OF THE TRAVEL LANE IN THAT LOCATION.
WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT BE ARTICULATED AS A CONDITION SUBJECT TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE TO THE, TO THE PLANS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, NO, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, UH, LET'S SEE, I'LL QUICKLY TOUCH ON THE SECOND COMMENT ISSUED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHICH RELATED TO, THERE'S A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT REMOVES SNOW OFF THOSE PARK TRAILERS.
AND WHERE THAT SNOW STORAGE WOULD TAKE PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE TEAM HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, CONCERN THAT SOME OF THAT SPACE THAT MIGHT BE UTILIZED TODAY WOULD BE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE CONDITION BECAUSE THE PAD AND ALL THE NEW EQUIPMENT, SO HAS A NEW SNOW STORAGE AREA BEEN IDENTIFIED? AND IF THAT COULD BE IDENTIFIED AND SHOWN ON THE PLAN, FINAL PLAN, UNDERSTOOD.
THAT WILL BE INDICATED, SO INDICATED ON THE PLAN.
THE FIRE CONSULTANT, MR. LARKIN, UM, IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE FIRE FLOW RESULTS DONE FOR THAT ONE HYDRANT.
BUT OTHERS HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR, WE THINK THAT THAT COULD BE HANDLED AS PART OF A CONDITION OF ANY APPROVAL, AS I STATED EARLIER.
THERE WAS A NOTE RELATED TO AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING BEING A GAP BETWEEN HYDRANTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE TEAM I CAN RECITE THAT.
BASED ON THE UPDATED HYDRANT PLAN, THERE IS A GAP BETWEEN HYDRANT FIVE AND HYDRANT EIGHT THAT EXCEEDS THE ALLOWABLE HYDRANT SPACING.
A NEW HYDRANT SHOULD BE ADDED AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
DID YOU SEE THAT NOTE? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
THE, THE REFERENCE TO HYDRANT EIGHT, I THINK WAS FROM THE OLDER PLAN.
WE RENUMBERED THE PLAN TO HAVE PRIVATE HYDRANTS BE LETTER NUMBERS AND THE PUBLIC ONES TO BE, UH, NUMBERS.
AND, UH, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS IS AN 800 FOOT GAP BETWEEN, UH, OUR NEW HYDRANT THAT'LL BE BY THE NEW EQUIPMENT AND AN EXISTING HYDRANT TO THE NORTH.
AND WE'RE GONNA ADD A HYDRANT IN THERE.
SO ANOTHER, ANOTHER CONDITION.
WE CONSENT TO THE ADDITION OF THE EXTRA HYDRANT AND IT WILL BE SO INDICATED ON THE PLAN.
AND YOU HAVE MR. WALSH'S NAME.
CAN WE HAVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? YES.
UH, CHIEF CIVIL ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER FOR EI ASSOCIATES.
UM, EIGHT RIDGEDALE AVE, CEDAR KNOLLS, NEW JERSEY.
SO, UM, AND I HAD BROUGHT THIS UP PREVIOUSLY REGARDING THE NEW HYDRANT PROPOSED MM-HMM.
THAT CAN BE AN ELEMENT OR CONDITION OF ANY DECISION BY THE BOARD.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MR. LARKIN ASKED THAT THE A APPLICANT CLARIFY WHY NO, NO VEHICULAR PROTECTION IS PROVIDED BETWEEN THE ACCESS DRIVE AND THE EQUIPMENT PAD IN THE FORM OF A GUIDE RAIL OR SOME, OR FENCING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PORTION OF THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE, UH, EQUIPMENT PAD.
THERE WERE, WE'RE BASICALLY HAVING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TRAVELING PARALLEL TO THE FENCE LINE, AND
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THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MANEUVERS, LIKE ON THE OTHER THREE SIDES.VEHICLES ARE POSSIBLY MAKING K TURNS, BACKING UP THE LOADING DOCKS.
SO WE PUT IT ON THE THREE SIDES.
BUT BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. LARKIN, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING IT ON THAT SOUTHERN END OF THE DRIVEWAY.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO QUESTION, BUT JUST A COMMENT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, UH, I'M REALLY THRILLED WITH THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO READ THAT INTO THE RECORD BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT DISCUSSED ANY OF THAT, UH, DURING THE HEARING.
THERE'S A, DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE WHOLE BACKGROUND THAT YOU DID AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT JUST BULLET POINTS SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS, UH, TECHNOLOGY.
ALSO, I WOULD, I DON'T THINK WE EVER DISCUSSED, UH, UM, HOW MUCH IS THERE ANY LOSS, HOW MUCH OF THAT C O TWO THAT YOU GENERATE, YOU CAPTURE? UM, AND JUST A GENERAL OUTLINE.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE PLANTS LIKE THAT IN, IN EUROPE JUST DIDN'T INDICATE THE NUMBER AND THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST IN THE UNITED STATES.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DIVISION BARON TO MAKE A VERY SHORT EXPLANATION OF PRESENTATION.
I, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE STATED PREVIOUSLY IN CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION IS PART OF THE RECORD OF THIS PROCEEDING.
IT MAY NOT BE THIS EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARING, BUT OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING IS, UH, PREDICATE FOR YOUR BOARD'S DETERMINATION.
BUT VISHNU, UH, WALTER'S GOT SOME, MR. SIMON HAS SOME GREAT QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN EUROPE? AND AN EXPLANATION YEAH.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC WHO MIGHT BE, UH, UH, LOOKING TONIGHT THAT THEY COULD JUST GET A, A SHORT IS THERE ELSE CAPTURE? OKAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON AND EVENING, EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS VISHNU BARRON FROM CLARK.
GOOD AFTERNOON AND EVENING EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS VISHNU BARRON FROM CLARK ENERGY.
UM, SO THE SYSTEM, UM, TAKES A, A FUEL, IT GENERATES ELECTRICITY.
UH, AS WITH ALL POWER STATIONS, UM, THE ELECTRICITY TYPICALLY IS WASTED IN THIS APPLICATION.
THE THERMAL ENERGY IS RECOVERED.
UM, IT'S RECOVERED AND IT CREATES HOT WATER, WHICH OFFSETS BOILER GENERATED, UM, THERMAL ENERGY, UM, WHICH IS HOW THE PRODUCTION FACILITY OPERATES TODAY.
A PORTION OF THAT HOT WATER, UM, FEEDS INTO THE PRODUCTION LINE.
SO WE WILL BE DISPLACING BOILER GENERATED THERMAL ENERGY.
ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT THERMAL ENERGY WILL BE RECOVERED AND IT WILL GO TO A HOT WATER CHILLER, WHICH IS, UM, KNOWN AS AN ABSORPTION CHILLER.
THIS IS A, BASICALLY A PROCESS THAT TAKES HEAT AND CREATES CHILLED WATER.
SO THIS SYSTEM WILL OFFSET ELECTRIC CHILLING AS WELL BY RECOVERING WASTE HEAT TO CREATE CHILLED WATER TO DISPLACE, UM, ELECTRIC DRIVEN CHILLING THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
UM, THE UNIQUE PART ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THE, IF, AS MR. STEIN SAYS, THE ANYTHING THAT GENERATES ANYTHING THAT COMBUSTS TYPICALLY CREATES EMISSIONS IN THIS APPLICATION.
THE MAIN PORTION OF THOSE EMISSIONS IS CARBON DIOXIDE.
UM, BASICALLY THE BACK END OF THE SYSTEM HAS A, AN AMINE SCRUBBING SYSTEM ON THERE, WHICH BASICALLY WASHES THE C O TWO, UM, CLEANS THE C O TWO TO 99.997% BEVERAGE GRADE QUALITY.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A TWO STAGE CLEANING PROCESS.
WE CLEAN IT, WE THEN LIQUEFY IT, WE STORE IT IN A COUPLE OF STORAGE TANKS, WE VERIFY THOSE, UM, C O TWO LOTS ARE, MEET THE STANDARDS, AND THEN IT WILL BE USED TO ENTER INTO THE PROCESS, UM, FOR THE FINAL STAGE OF THE BOTTLING TO CREATE THE CARBONATION FOR THE DRINKS, WHICH OFFSETS AROUND 400 TRUCKS COMING IN ON ROAD TRUCKS TO DELIVER THE C O TWO.
SO THE OVERALL EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM FROM ELECTRIC TO THERMAL AND COOLING IS ABOUT 88.7%.
SO, SO, UM, FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, FOR THE MEASURABLE QUANTITIES, IT'S, IT'S JUST UNDER 90%.
BUT THEN WITH THE WASTE THAT WOULD GO UP IN C O TWO RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, WE'RE SCRUBBING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE C O TWO OUT THE EXHAUST.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S C O TWO AND THERE'S ALSO CO, UH, CO IS CARBON MONOXIDE.
WE ACTUALLY ADD OXYGEN TO THE CO AND CREATE MORE C O TWO.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
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WE'VE, THE COMPANY I WORK FOR IS IN 29 COUNTRIES.WE'VE DONE, UM, THIS TYPE OF PLANT THREE TIMES PREVIOUSLY, UM, EUROPE AND AFRICA BASICALLY.
SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST FACILITY LIKE THIS IN THE US RIGHT? THIS INSTALLATION WILL BE THE FIRST OF ITS KIND OFF THE BACK OF AN ENGINE BASED A COGEN PLANT.
THERE HAS BEEN OTHER, UM, SYSTEMS OF A SIMILAR NATURE THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON BOILERS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME EFFICIENCY BECAUSE THEY DON'T GENERATE ELECTRICITY, THEY DON'T GENERATE THERMAL HOT WATER.
THEY DON'T GENERATE COOLING, AND THEY DON'T GENERATE C O TWO.
SO WEIRDLY, IT DOES LOOK ON PAPER LIKE IT'S OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT EFFICIENT, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T HAPPEN.
UM, THE SUPPLIER THAT WE USE FOR THIS C O TWO SYSTEM, UH, THEY HAVE ABOUT 500 PLUS PLANTS IN THE WORLD.
UM, SO IT'S A PROVEN UL CERTIFIED TECHNOLOGY.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS ONE'S BEING DONE IN THE US OFF AN ENGINE.
SO BOTTOM LINE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BOTTOM LINE, NOT ONLY ARE YOU PRODUCING WHAT TURNS OUT TO BE CLEAN ENERGY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE REDUCING EMISSIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE A LOT LESS TRUCKS DELIVERING C O TWO RIGHT.
THAT'S HOW YOU GET OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE OF THE TRUCKS? WELL, YES, BUT ALSO IF YOU ARE AN ENGINEER LIKE I AM, IF YOU ACTUALLY CALCULATE IT, IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 130%.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? MURRAY, CAN I THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS, UH, MURRAY BOWDEN.
UM, I LIVE IN HARTSDALE, NEW YORK.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE HAS TO EVALUATE WHEN YOU HEAR A PROPOSITION LIKE THIS IS WHETHER THE PRESENTER HAS ANY CREDIBILITY.
THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT HIS SOCKS,
HE THINKS IN THE FUTURE, MOST OF US HAVE BEEN USING THE SAME OLD BLACK AND WHITE SOCKS FOREVER.
THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT IS NEW TO ME.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND REDUCING UNNECESSARY TRAVEL AND WHATEVER THE SYSTEM THAT THEY DESCRIBED.
I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, AND I UNDERSTAND THE EFFICIENCY OF IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC AND POLLUTION CAUSED BY THAT FACILITY.
THE ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IS THE SPEED AT WHICH IT GETS DONE.
THE WORLD CHANGES ALMOST DAILY.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO READ THE NEW YORK TIMES IN ITS PAPER FORM BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY OUTDATED.
AND SO MOST INFORMATION COMES THROUGH THE INTERNET AND VARIOUS BLOGS AND SO ON.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN CHANGING THE THINKING OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT? YES, THERE IS.
I WILL ADDRESS THOSE IN THAT BECAUSE IT'S MORE RELEVANT.
BUT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY APPROVE THAT THE THINKING AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF THIS COMPANY HAS GONE THIS FAR.
AND I, EXCUSE ME, MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS IT USED TO, EVEN THOUGH I LOOK OKAY.
UM, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY APPROVE OF THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS TOO, AND, UH, WHICH IS WHY I'M VERY HAPPY WE'RE ABLE TO EXPEDITE THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS REAL GOOD WORK GETTING THROUGH THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC ON BOARD? IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? MM-HMM.
IN THAT CASE, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TILL BEING THAT TODAY'S A MONDAY, WE NORMALLY LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR ONE WEEK, BUT WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR NINE DAYS IN THIS INSTANCE TO APRIL 12TH.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVE SECOND.
AARON, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE CAN COME BACK AT THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL FOR
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A DETERMINATION? YES.THAT'S, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION ON THAT'S WANTED MY CLIENT TO HEAR THAT OUR DECISION WILL BE ON THE 19TH.
UM, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT THE BOARD, THAT STAFF, UH, AARON, AMANDA, ANYONE NEEDS FROM US IN THE INTERIM, UM, TO SUPPLEMENT AND MAKE SURE YOUR RESOLUTION IS, IS ACCURATE AND FINAL, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'LL BE SPEAKING WITH MR. LARKIN TOMORROW.
I THINK AFTER, AFTER WE MAKE THE DECISION, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN WITH, WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN ABOUT MAKING SURE THIS IS PUBLIC.
REALLY GETTING THE WORD OUT NUMBER, GETTING THE WORD OUT.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS, WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.
UH, TWO OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE ON THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE IN OUR TOWN.
AND SO IT'S VERY, VERY, THIS IS A GREAT STEP FOR US AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS.
SO WE, I DON'T THINK MY CLIENT HAS ANY OBJECTION TO THAT.
LIBERTY KOCH IS VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD AND THE TOWN.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO START TO, NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR IN THE PROCESS, WE DID NOT WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD, BUT WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO OUT.
UM, AND WE'RE REALLY PLEASED THAT YOU SEEM TO WANT DO THE SAME THING WE DO.
JUST WAIT TILL, JUST WAIT TILL THE 19TH TILL IT'S OFFICIAL.
HAVE A GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BY THE WAY, EMILIO, THIS WHOLE BOARD OF CONNECTICUT FANS, SO I WOULD BE EFFICIENT THIS EVENING.
LET ME CALL, EXCUSE ME, LET ME MILLI BEFORE WE START, HAVE TO ANNOUNCE IT.
IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES WE TAKE OFF FOR WALTER'S.
YOU DON'T GET A, WE SHOULD DO ALMOST.
HE SELECTIVELY DID WE DO CLEAR OURSELF ON THIS ONE ALREADY.
UM, THERE ARE NO OTHER INVOLVED.
YOU'VE DELAYED US LONG ENOUGH TO SEE.
UM, THIS IS CASE PB 21, 23, WHERE THE NEW STATES OF DI NAPOLI 1490 AND 1952 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, WHITE PLAINS PO FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL.
BEFORE WE GO TO THOUGH, EMILIO, WE NEED TO DO SEEKER.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER PLEASE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DECLARE THIS AS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER? SO MOVED.
UH, EMILIO ESCAL IS ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS.
UM, THE PROJECT THAT, UH, WE'RE REPRESENTING TONIGHT IS A PARCEL OF LAND, TWO PARCELS OF LAND, LEGALLY DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN PURCHASED BY THE SAME OWNER AND IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO 13 LOTS.
IT'S AN R 20 ZONING AND, UH, THE WA THE WIDTH OF THE LOT IS WIDE ENOUGH SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE A ROAD THROUGH THE CENTER OF THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY ENDING IN A, UH, CUL-DE-SAC.
THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET, AND THE HOUSES WILL, UH, BE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN R 20 ZONING.
UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE WOULD BE DESIGNED WITH ITS INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCE GARAGES.
THE DRAINAGE FROM THE ROAD, UH, WILL BE DIRECTED TO, UH, AN INFILTRATION GALLERY.
THERE WILL BE AN EMERGENCY ENTRANCE FROM SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IF THERE IS NEED TO.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY BLOCKAGE IN THE MAIN ROAD, UM, THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
UH, BUT THE TOWN'S NEW, UH, LAW IS VERY SPECIFIC AS TO HOW THEY WOULD BE REPLACED.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, UH, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT, UH, A LARGE SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS, UH, IS TESTED UNDER THE TREE ORDINANCE.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE SEPARATED, UM, THE CUTTING, UM, IN VARIOUS STEPS.
THE FIRST STEP, OF COURSE, IS FOR THE CUTTING WHILE WE'RE BUILDING THE ROAD AND THE UTILITIES.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT IS INSTALLED, THE CUTTING OF THE REMAINING TREES WILL BE DONE ON A LOT PER LOT BASIS AS THE HOUSE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED TO THE, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, AND, AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT, LIKE THE ONE I I I HAVE TO SHOW HERE WOULD, WOULD INDICATE THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE, LOCATION OF THE DRY WELLS, UH, DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THE PLACEMENT OF THE, UH, BASEMENT TREES.
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UH, WE HAVE DONE, UM, OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, UM, THREE BIRCH, I HAVE TO MENTION THEM.THREE BIRCH, WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER? THREE BIRCH GARDENS.
THEY'RE VERY GOOD, VERY, VERY, UH, POSITIVE YOUNG PEOPLE AND VERY WELL, UH, VERSED IN, IN THIS BUSINESS.
AND THEY HAVE CHOSEN A SERIES OF SPECIES, UH, AND PALETTES FOR EACH LOT.
AND THEY, UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN OF FOUR, UH, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF MIXES OF THESE TREES.
UM, UH, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HELD TO THAT, BUT IT'S A GOOD IDEA SO THAT EACH, UH, EACH LOT HAS A DIFFERENT MIXTURE OF PROPOSED, UH, NON-INVASIVE TREES.
I I JUST WANNA STOP FOR ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING, YOU'LL NOT BE HELD TO THE EXACT THINGS ON THIS PLAN, BUT AS EACH LOT COMES UP, YOU WILL HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET OUT CORRECT.
JUST SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
I WANT, DON'T WANT ANYONE GET THAT IN PRE WANT ANYONE GET THAT IMPRESSION? MY APOLOGIES.
THE, THE, THE EACH, EACH LOT AS IT'S, UH, SUBMITTED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, WILL GO THROUGH A VERY THOROUGH, UH, REEVALUATION AGAIN WITH STEEP SLOPES, WITH WETLANDS, UM, AND DRAINAGE, UH, COMPUTATION.
SO THE INDIVIDUAL WET WELL, UM, UH, THE DRAINAGE WELLS FOR EACH HOUSE.
AND THEN OF COURSE PART OF THAT WOULD BE THE TREE REPLACEMENT AND THE TREE CUTTING ONLY, ONLY THE, THE TREES WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE CUT ONCE THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW, WE WILL BE GIVEN PERMISSION TO CUT THE, THE, UH, THE ROAD AND THE UTILITIES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
THE, UM, THE SUBDIVISION IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING OUTSTANDINGLY DIFFICULT ABOUT IT.
THERE IS A ROAD THAT WILL ENTER AND END IN A CUL-DE-SAC.
THE WATERS, UH, LINES WILL ALL BE NEW AND THEY WILL BE LOOPED, UH, AROUND FROM WHITE HOUSE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, AND IT WILL SWING AROUND TO AND CONNECT TO, UH, A MAIN LINE ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
THERE IS A PARCEL TO THE RIGHT OF THE ENTRANCE.
UM, THAT IS, IT'S AN INTERESTING PARCEL.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IN THE WORK SESSION.
IT'S AN OLD, UM, UH, PIECE THAT BELONGED TO A CHURCH THAT USED TO EXIST IN THIS PARCEL, WHICH WAS REMOVED AND MOVED OVER TO YONKERS.
THAT PARCEL HAS, WE ARE DOING A, A, A TITLE SEARCH.
IT HAS, NO ONE HAS CLAIMED A CLAIM ON IT.
UH, WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT WE WILL, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
WE WILL, UH, SUBMIT THE TITLE SEARCH TO THE TOWN, AND WE HAVE A, AN IDEA, WE'VE ALL SHARED THE IDEA OF, OF MAKING THAT INTO A PASSIVE SPACE, UH, A PARK.
UH, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT THOUGH.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, UH, OLD GRAVESTONES.
UH, IT'S REALLY A, A A, A RELAXING PLACE TO COME AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO, UH, TO VISIT AND SIT.
WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO PROTECT IT WITH FENCING AND ADDING A COUPLE OF, UH, SITTING SPOTS, UH, JUST TO MAKE IT A, A, A DELIGHTFUL PLACE TO COME AND, AND, AND, AND JUST SIT AND RELAX.
IT'S A, IT'S IN A HIGH PLATEAU.
IT REALLY IS QUITE NICE AND FILLED WITH, UH, WITH YOUNGER TREES.
SO, UM, AND WE WILL CLEAN IT UP.
WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT, UH, UH, FEELS LIKE, LIKE A, A WELL TAKEN CARE OF PARK.
UM, WE OF COURSE WILL NOT, THE, THE, UH, THE SUBDIVISION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SPACE.
ONCE THE, THE LOTS ARE SOLD, THAT SPACE, OF COURSE MIGHT, MAY VERY WELL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL DECIDE THAT.
IT'S NOT OUR PARCEL, BUT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, UH, URBAN, UH, SETTING, UH, PARK-LIKE SETTING THAT WE, WE WANNA, UH, IM IMPART IN THAT AREA.
UM, THE SEWER, OF COURSE, AGAIN, IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S BY, IT'S A GRAVITY SEWER THAT WILL CONNECT ALL THE HOUSES, UM, AT LEAST FIRST FLOOR, SOMETIMES BASEMENTS, DEPENDING ON WHICH LOT.
AND IT WILL DRAIN BY GRAVITY TO, AGAIN, THE MAIN THAT IS RUNNING PARALLEL TO SOUL MILL RIVER ROAD.
OTHER THAN THAT, UH, AS I SAID, IT'S A, IT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD SUBDIVISION AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE QUITE NICE.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE STREET TREE PLANTING PLAN? THE STREET PLANTING? YES.
UM, CAN YOU SEE THEM? IT'S, YEAH, I HAVE IT UP HERE, BUT IT'S ON A DELAY.
IT'S, UH, WE, WE WE'RE, IT REALLY WORKS OUT ABOUT TWO TREES PER LOT, UH, AS YOU, AS YOU COME FROM THE ENTRANCE OF WHITE HOUSE TO THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UH, SO EVERY, EVERY LOT WILL END UP HAVING TWO TREES, UH, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, UM, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF COURSE OF, OF THE, OF THE CITY.
UH, SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF WHO PICKS UP THE LEAVES, UH, IN, IN
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THE FALL IF IT'S A CITY TREE.WELL, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE, UH, CONSIDER THE TREE REMOVAL AS PART OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SHOWN AND YOU'RE DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE AT THIS TIME.
SO THE BOARD, THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND, WELL, ACTUALLY, BUT THAT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE TREES? SO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. ESCALADES ABOUT THIS, THE TREES WHILE SHOWN AS STREET TREES ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE SET JUST INSIDE EACH OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO THEY WILL BE THE FUTURE OBLIGATION OF EACH OF THE LOT OWNERS VERSUS AS IT SHOULD, BEING A TOWN AS IT SHOULD.
WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A TREELINE STREET LIKE THAT, FOUR DIFFERENT SPECIES, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE REALLY NICE.
THE, THE, THE THREE BIRCH, UH, UH, GROUP HAS DONE A, A REAL, THAT'D BE BEAUTIFUL, UH, PROFESSIONAL JOB IN, IN SPECIFYING THE VARIOUS SPECIES, NON-INVASIVE SPECIES AS PER THE TOWN'S, UH, SPECS.
I HAVE A QUESTION, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS ONCE OR TWICE IN PRE-SUBMISSION, AND THEN WE SAW IT, UM, RECENTLY AGAIN.
BUT DID YOU ESCAPE OUR NORMAL SCRUTINY OF THE CUL-DE-SAC ITSELF, WHERE WE USUALLY ASK FOR EITHER SOME PAVERS NO, WE DON'T.
WE, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PAVER SCHEDULED FOR THE CENTER AND IN THE PERIMETER.
SO THE, THE, I JUST DIDN'T RECALL IF WE DID IT IS, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE SITE PLAN.
I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THAT ONE DRAWING THOUGH, SO I JUST COULDN'T RECALL.
IT'S THERE, THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE WILL BE PAVERS.
AND ALSO THE, AND THE PER PERIMETER IN THE PERIMETER AS WELL.
AND ALSO THE, EACH ENTRANCE, THE DRIVEWAYS, UH, TO EACH HOUSE WILL HAVE, UH, A PERMEABLE PAVER, UH, SEQUENCE TO THEM.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL MINIMIZE, UH, THE STORM WATER BECAUSE OF THE PAVERS THAT P UH, PERMEABLE PAVERS THAT WE WILL BE INSTALLING.
IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION MR. HAY, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE STREET TREE PLAN, BUT IT IS PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT PLAN.
BUT WE'VE SEEN IT AT SOME POINT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE.
I'M GLAD, GLAD THEY BROUGHT IT UP.
UH, COUPLE QUICK THINGS, IF I MAY, YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS, THE NEIGHBORING WORTHINGTON CEMETERY PROPERTY, AND YOU'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD CHAIRPERSON WHO CAME OUT TO A SITE VISIT, UH, TWO SITE VISITS, ACTUALLY THE INITIAL ONE, AND THEN THE SITE VISIT THAT WAS CONDUCTED, THE PUBLICLY NOTICED SITE VISIT THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, RE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN COMMENTARY BACK AND FORTH.
UH, THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE COMMENTARY WITH YOU AS THIS PROJECT PROGRESSES.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT SURVEYING AND STAKING THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE CEMETERY PROPERTY, SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE FIELD THAT THERE'S PROTECTION FENCING, PUT ALONG THOSE TWO LINES, UH, PRIOR TO ANY SITE WORK TAKING PLACE THAT THE APPLICANT'S AGREEABLE TO ANY ARTIFACTS OR OTHER, UM, REMNANTS OF THE CEMETERY THAT MAY BE UNCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION, BE PHOTOGRAPHED, CATALOGED, AND THE TOWN BE NOTIFIED SO THAT ANY FOLLOW UP THAT'S NECESSARY CAN TAKE PLACE.
UM, PUTTING IN A FUTURE POST CONSTRUCTION ORNAMENTAL, I WOULD SAY TYPE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY TO DELINEATE THAT PROPERTY LINE.
THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION LAST MEETING, UM, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR GROUND PENETRATING RADAR.
NOW THE TOWN WITH ITS HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING HOW ABANDONED CEMETERIES GET HANDLED FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
THEY ARE TO BE HANDLED IN TOWNS BY THE MUNICIPALITY.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT OWNERSHIP JUST YET.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, IF IT'S A TOWN, IF IT IN TURN BECOMES A TOWN OWNED PROPERTY, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY FILE, UH, FOR GRANT FUNDING, GRANT MONIES TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT CERTAIN RENOVATIONS TO THE SITE.
THERE ARE HEADSTONES THAT HAVE TIPPED OVER.
WE CAN GET THOSE RESET AMONGST OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR GROUND PENETRATING RADAR.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO WERE ASKED BY THE BOARD TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE COST OF OFFSITE GROUND, PENETRATING RADAR MAY BE ALONG THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE.
WHILE, AND I SAID THIS ON THE RECORD AT THE LAST MEETING, WHILE IT'S BEEN QUITE CLEAR FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE CEMETERY PARCEL RELATIVE TO YOUR CLIENT'S PARCEL IN THE ACTUAL FIELD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST UNSURE OF WERE THERE MORE BURIALS THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE
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PROPERTY NOW AND WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE TO CONDUCT SOME, UM, GROUND PENETRATING RADAR ALONG THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE.WE REACHED OUT TO A COMPANY, UH, LOCATED IN STANFORD, CONNECTICUT.
WE LEFT A MESSAGE, THEY, IN TURN LEFT A MESSAGE FOR US.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BUT AS SOON AS WE DO, WE WANNA SHARE IT WITH YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH YOUR CLIENT AND WE CAN HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME.
THIS IS ONLY PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
SO WE, WELL, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT ARE VERY, UM, VERY, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
AND IT WAS REALLY A KIND OF, I BELIEVE, A FAMILY PLOT.
THERE'S ONLY, I BELIEVE TWO, MAYBE THREE, UH, SIMILAR NAMES.
SO I THINK IT WASN'T LIKE A PUBLIC PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAME AND BURIED THEIR, UH, I'LL SPEAK MY IMPRESSION BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PLOTS.
ALSO, THE PLOTS ARE AT THE VERY CENTER OF THE AREA, SO THE CHANCES OF OF AN UNFOUND, UH, GRAVE NEAR THE PROPERTY IS PROBABLY LOW.
AND ALSO WE HAVE, UM, UM, A, A, A HUGE AMOUNT OF ROCK AT THE ENTRANCE RIGHT AT THE PERIMETER WITH THE CEMETERY.
SO THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT KIND OF MINIMIZES THE, THE, THE CHANCES THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER GRAVE THERE.
I'M JUST SHARING MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU, BUT OF COURSE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, UH, YOUR CONCERNS ARE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ADHERE TO IT.
IN, IN SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE THAT HAS INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT CEMETERY PROPERTY, IN FACT, WHICH WE DID A WHILE BACK, HE, HE IDENTIFIED THAT THE CHAPEL THAT WAS FORMERLY ERECTED ON THIS SITE AND THE CONGREGATION THAT THAT ATTENDED, UM, THAT LOCATION WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF FAMILIES THAT KIND OF SET UP SHOP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS PART OF CONSTRUCTING THE AQUEDUCT.
AND IT WAS A SMALL CONGREGATION OF 20 OR 25 PERSONS.
UM, AS TIME WENT ON AND PEOPLE PASSED, THERE WEREN'T NEW PEOPLE ENTERING INTO THAT PARTICULAR CHURCH.
AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS ABANDONED.
UM, I BELIEVE MR. DRISSLER, A WELL-KNOWN NAME BACK FROM A HUNDRED, 125 YEARS AGO IN TOWN, HAD OFFERED, OR, UH, IN HIS WRITTEN WILL TO PROVIDE THAT PARCEL TO THE ARCHDIOCESE, WHICH NEVER ACCEPTED IT.
THE CHAPEL WAS DISMANTLED ON SITE, FLOATED DOWN THE SAWMILL RIVER AND RECONSTRUCTED IN YONKERS.
IT WAS ONLY DEMOLISHED ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO IN YONKERS.
SO, UM, IT MAY HAVE BEEN, I BELIEVE THERE WERE AT LEAST FOUR BURIALS OR INTERNS ON THE SITE.
DIFFERENT NAMES WE'RE STILL RESEARCHING WHETHER OR NOT WERE THOSE FOLKS THAT WORKED ON THE UC.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AS WE CONTINUE.
WE, WE NEED A, WE NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO, TO SEE IF IT'S HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS OF COURSE.
ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MUCH BETTER DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT ANYTHING SHOULD BE DONE AT ALL.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE BOARD? NO.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK? ARI, FOCUS ONLY ON THIS PROJECT, PLEASE.
THAT'LL BE THE END OF THE EVENING.
OH, THIS IS NOT ABOUT, HAS TO BE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND JUST YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN.
MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS MURRAY BOWDEN.
THE ISSUE OF CURB CUTS IS IMPORTANT TO THIS PROJECT.
HOW WIDE THEY SHOULD BE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE OF NEW YORK HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM.
CURB CUTS FOR ENTERING THE ROAD OR THE DRIVEWAYS, OR BOTH? EVERYWHERE.
AND THE QUESTION ALSO ARISES WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE CONCRETE CURBS AND SIDEWALKS.
BECAUSE IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE FUTURE AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE NEW YORK STATE TRAILWAYS AND THE EXTENSIONS OF THEM, THAT THEY'RE SHARED BY BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
AND IN A AREA LIKE THIS, A ASPHALT STYLE TRAILWAY WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO BOTH PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, PEOPLE WITH BABY CARRIAGES, AND THE ABILITY TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH AND SHARE THE SPACE OFF THE ROAD WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN RECOGNIZING THAT CURBS
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DON'T ALWAYS WORK.AND THEY'RE TOLD ME NOT TO SAY THIS, SO I WON'T SAY IT.
UM, THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILES OF ROADS IN THIS AREA WITHOUT CURBS.
THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS PROPOSED TO THIS PROPERTY.
WHAT? THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS PROPOSED IN THIS PROPERTY? THERE ARE NOT, NO, NO.
THEY'RE NOT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT WAS DIFFICULT TO SEE THE PLANS.
THERE, THERE AREN'T, THERE WILL NOT BE A SIDEWALK ASSOCIATED ON, ON THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN RECOGNIZING THAT SPACE.
LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE SHARED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
AND IT WILL BE EXPANDED AS WE GO ALONG.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NEW AT THIS REALLY MM-HMM.
WHAT I WANTED TO TELL, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THERE, THERE IS NOT GONNA BE A SIDEWALK ALONG THIS.
ALONG AS I KNOW, I KNOW THE SITE.
AND I KNOW THE DIFFICULTY OF COMING DOWN THAT ROAD AND LOOKING TO THE RIGHT TO SEE IF CARS ARE COMING.
AND, AND THE, THE YELLOW LINE THERE STOPS AT THE STOP BAR INSTEAD OF EXTENDING ALL THE WAY TO THE END SO THAT YOU'D KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.
PUT THE YELLOW LINE AT THE STOP BAR.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT CAN'T BE EXTENDED TO SAW RIVER ROAD.
SO SOMEBODY COMING IN WOULD KNOW WHERE IT IS IF PEOPLE CUT THOSE THINGS ALL THE TIME.
I JUST HAD THAT HAPPEN TO ME TODAY WHERE SOMEONE WAS TAKING A LEFT, I WAS TAKING A RIGHT.
LIKE CUT, CUT THAT CORNER OFF.
I I THIS IS THE START OF A CONVERSATION.
I, I THANK THIS BOARD FOR RECOGNIZING HOW RAPIDLY THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, UH, TO WASTE CORRECTING THINGS.
MY MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD, GIVE SUPPORT TO OUR SUSTAINABLE, OUR SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING RESPONSIVE TO THAT, TO THAT COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS OUR, OUR, UH, COMMITTEE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING NOW.
AND THAT THEY, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING WE NEED IN THIS TOWN.
AND GO TO THE TOWN BOARD MEETINGS AND DO THAT FOR US.
BEST BOARD WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
I WILL BE AT THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING.
ONE LAST THING IS, IS THIS UH, TOWN STANDARD ROAD? YES.
SO, UH, THE QUESTION BY MR. SIMON WAS, IS THE ROADWAY OR CUL-DE-SAC PROPOSED GOING TO BE A TOWN STANDARD ROADWAY? THE RESPONSE IS YES.
THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO OFFER THIS ROADWAY FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN.
UM, I DID PUT UP THIS PLAN AND ZOOMED IN ON IT BECAUSE IT DOES IDENTIFY THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THE PREVIOUS PAVERS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT, REMEMBER THE OTHER TWO THINGS I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ON THE RECORD.
UM, ONE BEING THAT, AND AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, WHILE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS SUBDIVISION, SIDEWALKS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROFESSIONAL.
I'M SORRY MA'AM, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT BEFORE I GO ON? DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON IT? UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE, UM,
YEAH, I I JUST MID THOUGHT I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME DO THE RIGHT THING HERE.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M AT ONE DON LANE IN GREENBURG, NEW YORK.
UM, I WAS JUST COMMENTING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AREA.
'CAUSE IT'S, I'M DON LANE AND I'VE, UH, WALKED MY DOG A MILLION TIMES UP IN THAT SECTION.
AND, AND I IMAGINE THAT WHEN, UM, MR. ESCALADES AND THE DEVELOPERS MAKE THAT SEATING AREA OR WHATEVER, I, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE WELL RECEIVED BY, BY THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I WAS SAYING, I THINK THE LAST TIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROUND PENETRATION, I OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA, LIKE AS IN ZERO, BUT I WAS, WHEN I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING, I WAS SHARING THAT, UM, A PERSON, THIS IS LIKE 15 YEARS AGO.
AND SHE CAME BY AND SHE WAS TALKING TO NEIGHBORS.
AND WHERE WORTHINGTON AND WHITE HOUSE INTERSECT, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT SITS THERE.
AND PREVIOUSLY WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO THE COMMUNITY OFF DRAKE, DRAKE WAS JUST A DRIVEWAY TO ONE HOUSE.
THERE WAS A BROWN HOUSE THAT WAS THERE THAT'S STILL THERE.
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HAPPENED TO HAVE SAID THAT WHERE THE STONE WALL IS ON WHITE HOUSE AS YOU TURN TO WORTHINGTON, THAT HER FAMILY HAD OWNED THAT LAND AND THAT SHE HAD BEEN A LITTLE GIRL AND HAD VISITED THERE.AND THAT, THAT CORNERSTONE AREA, SHE SAYS WAS HER FAMILY PLOT.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST IMAGINE THAT'S GOOD.
SHE HAD COME AND, AND SHE, 'CAUSE THERE, THERE'S A HOUSE, I THINK IT'S 11 WHITE HOUSE.
THERE'S A STONE HOUSE THERE, A I THINK STONE.
IT'S RIGHT OPPOSITE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY CENTER.
YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S A HOUSE THERE FURTHER NORTH.
AND SO I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY IS OF THAT WHOLE AREA, BUT I ASSUME DON LANE BEFORE THAT, ALL OF THAT WAS ONE PIECE OF LAND.
'CAUSE WHEN I MOVED THERE IN 1990, DRAKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT WAS JUST ONE HOME AND ALL OF THAT LAND THAT THEN BECAME, I DON'T KNOW, 20 SOMETHING HOUSES.
SO IN ANY CASE, THIS WOMAN 15 PLUS YEARS AGO WAS SMILING AND SHE WAS JUST TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND RECOUNTING HER STORY.
BUT SHE INSISTED THAT HER FAMILY PLOT WAS, WAS THERE.
AND SO I KNOW THAT THE HEADSTONES, I'VE NOT REALLY PAID ATTENTION.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS.
BUT THE HEADSTONES ARE LIKE 17 HUNDREDS FROM THERE.
ARE YOU SURE THERE'S NOT LIKE A 1796, BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, I WOULD JUST IMAGINE THAT NOT EVERYBODY COULD AFFORD A HEADSTONE.
SO I WOULD JUST IMAGINE THAT THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE WHO WERE BURIED THERE AND THEY JUST PUT A ROCK OR A WOOD THING THAT DIDN'T LAST.
YOU TALKING ABOUT WITHIN IN THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, BORDERS OF THE CEMETERY ITSELF ARE PRETTY WELL DEFINED 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN DEEDED, UH, AMANDA AND OH.
SO I AND STAFF DID, DID REALLY A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THAT TO BE SURE.
SO IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG TIME, OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO THAT WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN, WELL YOUR QUESTION'S A DIFFERENT ONE.
ARE THERE MORE PEOPLE BURIED IN INSIDE THERE? MAYBE THAN WE KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE.
WE WILL SEE WHAT, HOW WE GOTTA FIND OUT IF, HOW DIFFICULT THIS IS TO DO.
SO IT'S, IT'S A POSSIBILITY BUT IT'S ALSO REALLY NOT GONNA BE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DEVELOP AT THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS SAYING, I I CAME TO THE LAST MEETING WRONGLY BELIEVING THAT IT WAS A PUBLIC AND I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD CURB CUT
BUT I CERTAINLY, WHEN YOU APPLY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU GO THAT FOR THE FIRST TEST,
UM, BUT MY ONLY ISSUE, I, I THINK MR. SCHMIDT, I HAD COME INTO THE OFFICE SOMETIME BEFORE AND YOU HAD ASKED ME HOW DID I FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HAD ORIGINALLY MOVED FROM BROOKLYN RIGHT TO WESTCHESTER.
AND I VERY MUCH LIKE THE QUIETNESS OR THE SOLITUDE OF NOT, IT'S A ROADWAY.
WHEN YOU PUT UP A SIDEWALK, IT'S A ROADWAY, IT'S A TRAFFIC PLACE, IT'S A MM-HMM.
AND SO, UM, THAT IS NOT OF APPEAL TO ME.
WHI WHICH IN PARTICULAR IS NOT OF APPEAL SIDEWALK TO PUT A SIDEWALK WITHIN.
IS D WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT OR ALONG? NO, NO, NO.
I BELIEVE MR. SCHMIDT HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDING A SIDEWALK FROM YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
SO I'M LEARNING WORDS, SIDEWALKS, CURB CUT, WHATEVER, BUT THE WALKING HALF.
HOW ABOUT CUL-DE-SAC? YOU GOT THAT ONE DOWN YET?
ARE WE THERE YET? WHAT IS THE NAME? THE STREET GOING AND THAT'S THE GRADUATE DEGREE TO TO PREVIOUS HAVE YOU NAMED THE STREET? SO WE HAVEN'T NAMED THE STREET, ALTHOUGH ON THE PLANS IT'S IDENTIFIED POTENTIALLY AS JAMES COURT.
UM, THE ORIGINAL, IT SHOULD BE AN ESCALADAS WAY.
UM, WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE, THERE WERE NO HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DON LANE.
IT WAS, UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE BACKYARD OF THE HOUSES ON THE TOP SIDE OF THE STREET, ALL OF THAT ON DON LANE.
I MOVED THERE IN 1990 AND I REMEMBER THE REAL ESTATE LAWYER TELLING ME THAT THEY HAD APPROVED A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A LOT OF HOMES AND SOMETHING WENT WRONG.
SO I, YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO THIS ACTUAL PROPERTY, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR, AT THAT TIME A 12 LOT SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE THERE WAS AN EXISTING HOME ON THIS LOT.
IT WAS NEVER, NOT, NOT THE, IT WAS NEVER FORMALLY FILED AND THE APPROVAL EVAPORATED.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T ANYTHING ABOVE IT.
THERE, THERE WAS, THERE STILL REMAINS A HOUSE.
IT'S CALLED, WELL I CALL IT, I ASSUME THAT THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THE STREET WAS CALLED WHITE HOUSE.
THERE'S A WHITE HOUSE THAT SITS, SO IF YOU'RE ON DON LANE, THERE ARE NOW MAYBE FOUR HOUSES THAT WERE NEWLY BUILT IN THE, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT 90, MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE 16 YEARS OLD.
BUT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE REMAINED ITS DRIVEWAY INITIALLY CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN AND ENTERED ONTO WHITE HOUSE.
WHEN THEY BUILT THOSE FOUR HOUSES, THEY HAD TO GET VARIANCES
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FROM THE TOWN TO BRING THE DRIVEWAYS ONTO DON LANE.BUT THAT ORIGINAL WHITE HOUSE WAS THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT OWNER WAS A, A DEVELOPER OF SORTS OR FAMILY RELATED.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT THEY HAD OWNED ALL OF THE LAND AND WERE IN CONTRACT.
I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN NINE, MY HOUSE IN 1990.
I WAS TOLD THAT IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED, BUT BREAKING OF GROUND HAD NOT OCCURRED.
AND THEN SOME MISHAP HAPPENED, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE 30 HOUSES PLUS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD FROM ALL OF THAT LAND.
DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE WHAT, I GUESS IT CAME UP 1780, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NO, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE LIKE 2000.
SO NO, I, THIS IS 19 AND IT HAD BEEN APPROVED LIKE IN 86, 88.
WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING KNOWN AS THE WORTHINGTON STATION AND WHITE HOUSE SUBDIVISION BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, LATE EIGHTIES, MID TO LATE EIGHTIES.
AND IT WAS BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OR PHASES.
NOT ALL OF THEM WERE BUILT OUT.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, TIES INTO WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND I'M HAPPY TO OKAY.
EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION OFFLINE WITH YOU ABOUT IT.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS JUST RAISED, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON IF YOU DON'T, THE ONLY THING I WAS JUST RAISING WAS, UM, MY INTEREST WOULD BE AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIDEWALK OUTSIDE OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC AND WHERE OR HOW OR WHEN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE.
SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT VERY BRIEFLY.
UM, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. ESCALADES WHO IN TURN HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIS CLIENT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR SIDEWALKS.
THIS BOARD HAD DISCUSSED POTENTIAL SIDEWALKS, TYPICALLY WITH SUBDIVISIONS, PARTICULARLY A 13 LOT SUBDIVISION.
WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR WHAT FRONTAGE THE PROPERTY HAS WITH SURROUNDING STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAD THE BOARD AND THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE THE BEST USE TO HAVE A SIDEWALK INSTALLED ALONG THE SITE'S FRONTAGE WITH SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
UM, SO WE EXPLORED WHITE HOUSE ROAD DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE ABOUT, AND IN THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHITE HOUSE ROAD IS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY, UH, SIDEWALK LOCATION BECAUSE IT CONNECTS TO WORTHINGTON ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATION.
IN CONNECTION WITH THE ELMWOOD REDEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE GONNA BE THE FIRST SECTION OF SIDEWALK BUILT FROM DOBBS FERRY ROAD ALONG WORTHINGTON ROAD.
THE GAME PLAN IS TO EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK THROUGHOUT THE FULL RUN OF WORTHINGTON ROAD DOWN TO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND IF THERE WAS A SPUR OFF WHITE HOUSE AS WELL DOWN IN THE FUTURE, THERE WOULD BE A COMPLETE NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS FOR FOLKS THAT WALK ALONG.
I WANNA SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE MIKE BROUGHT UP A POINT, WHICH I, I AGREE WITH AND YOU BROUGHT UP A 0.2.
I DON'T THINK SIDEWALKS HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A CITY SIDEWALK.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING, UH, FOR LOT, LOTS OF REASONS.
AND THEY SHOULD LOOK MORE LIKE A, IN AN AREA LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE HEAVILY WOODEN THINK SHOULD LOOK MORE LIKE A TRAIL THAN IT DOES LIKE A SIDEWALK.
AND IT CAN BE PERMEABLE AS WELL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PURPOSES.
'CAUSE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PRODUCT THAT I'LL BRING UP TO THE BOARD AT A FUTURE TIME THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY GOOD FOR LOW U YOU KNOW, LOW TO MODERATE USAGE.
I BELIEVE IT CAN SUPPORT THAT.
SO I'LL BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
I MEAN, THE KNOW THAT, UM, I BELIEVE D O T DOES NOT LIKE WHEN THEY USE BRICKS OR CERTAIN WELL, BECAUSE THEY YOU COULD TRIP, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY CAN.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY END UP SETTLING WRONG AND IT'S NEVER EVEN GO WALK IN A CAR, GO GO WALK IN A COBBLESTONE MM-HMM.
YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, BUT DOES IT ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO THE GLOBAL WARMING THING, CEMENT IS A HEAT SINK.
ASPHALT'S WORSE 'CAUSE IT'S BLACK AND NOW THEY'VE, IT'S NOT EVEN ASPHALT ANYMORE.
THEY, THEY DON'T PUT ANY STONE IN IT ANYMORE.
IT'S ALMOST STRAIGHT TAR NOW THAT THEY PUT IT ON STREETS AND THERE'S, THAT'S JUST A GIANT HEAT SINK.
SO I, I THINK WE REALLY OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE AESTHETICS, UH, WHEN WE ARE PUTTING THESE THINGS TOO.
MY LAST QUESTION ON THE WAIT TO FOLLOW UP.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL NETWORK AND SIDEWALKS, BUT IN TERMS OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION, WE'VE HAD FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. ESCALADES.
AND SIMILAR TO AN APPLICATION THAT WAS ON EARLIER, THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IS A POTENTIAL CONTRIBUTION BY THE APPLICANT.
TWO FUTURE SIDEWALK CONSIDERATIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED
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BETWEEN ME AND MR. ESCALADES MOST RECENTLY.UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN A FINAL FIGURE DETERMINED, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE DONE UNTIL THIS BOARD CONSIDERS A DECISION AND EVEN AS MUCH AS A FINAL DECISION ON THE PROJECT.
AND MY ONLY LAST QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS, UM, DOWN WORTHINGTON AND OR THE SPUR OFF OF WHITE HOUSE, WOULD IT BE ON ONE SIDE OR BOTH SIDES BE ONE? YEAH.
AT, AT THIS TIME IT'S WOULD BE CONTEMPLATED FOR ONE SIDE ONLY.
AND WE HAVEN'T, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY STUDIES INTO WHICH SIDE, THAT'S ALL FUTURE WORK THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTED AT A, AT A, AT A LATER TIME.
AND ARE THERE SIMPLE THINGS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINING WHICH SIDE? 'CAUSE THAT'S
SO IT'S ACTUALLY STUDIED QUITE A BIT BEFORE THERE'S A DETERMINATION MADE ON WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD MAKES MORE SENSE FOR A SIDEWALK.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR RESUME TO APPLY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD
WELL IF YOU'RE INTERESTED SERIOUSLY, PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE EXACTLY THE KINDS OF PEOPLE WE'D LIKE TO COME ON THE BOARD 'CAUSE YOU HAVE SUCH AN INTEREST IN, IN THE, IN, IN WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAT'S INTEREST.
CAN'T, THE BENEFITS ARE GREAT AND YOU GET TO WORK MORE WITH EMILIO.
'CAUSE HE'S HERE LIKE EVERY WEEK.
SHE'S MY, SHE'S AN OLD CLIENT.
I'VE DONE HER TWICE OR HER HOUSE.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? QUESTIONS? NOBODY ELSE QUESTIONS? ANYONE ON ZOOM? ANYONE ON ZOOM HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MS. THOMPSON WAS WITH THREE BIRCH GARDENS AND I GAVE HER THE LINK JUST IN CASE SOMETHING CAME UP ON THE LANDSCAPING.
IN THAT CASE, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE 12TH OF APRIL SECOND.
I WILL THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS TO COVER, DON'T WE? GOOD,
DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.