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YOU CAN HEAR US NOW.SO, JUST A REMINDER TO THOSE ON ZOOM THIS
[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, April 19, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVENING, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET STARTED.PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICS MUTED UNTIL CALLED UPON THE SPEECH.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY SHOOT US A SECOND CHAIRPERSON.
IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT BEGINNING RECORDING EXCEPT FOR THE REFLECTION OFF MY HEAD.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE APRIL 19TH, 2023 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. DAVIS HERE AND OUR ALTERNATE MS. FREYTAG.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER, UH, MR. SIMON IS NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT, ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE HE'S GONNA, HE'S DELAYED.
HE MAY, HE MAY BE CALLING HIM LATER.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, MS. REEK WOULD BE A VOTING MEMBER.
BEFORE WE GET TO THE MINUTES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ATTENDED THE NEW YORK, UH, PLANNING FEDERATION CONFERENCE THIS WEEK.
AND IT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL IN LEARNING NEW THINGS FOR US.
UH, IT'S A GOOD PLACE NOT ONLY FOR BASICS, WHICH YOU CAN GET BASICS, OTHER PLACES, BUT SOME OF THE ADVANCED THINGS THAT GO ON PARTICULARLY VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ON ALTERNATE, UH, DWELLING UNITS.
IT WAS, I THINK ONE OF THE BETTER DISCUSSIONS THERE IN ALSO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
ACCESSORY, EXCUSE ME, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
AND, UM, IT ACTUALLY REINFORCED A PROPOSAL THAT'S GONNA COME FROM THE ACCESSIBLE, VIABLE, UH, LIVING COMMITTEE, THE A V L TO THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 2ND.
SO I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU GUYS PEOPLE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING ON THE WORK SESSION ON MAY 2ND ON ADUS.
THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION ON, UH, GOVERNOR HO'S HOUSING INITIATIVE, WHICH BECAME, UH, RATHER CONTENTIOUS ACTUALLY.
UH, THE, IT WAS VERY NEGATIVE FOR THE MOST PART FROM, UH, THE PLANNERS IN, IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH, BUT WITH THAT AS OF TODAY, UM, THEY DO NEED TO P UH, PASS A BUDGET BY THE END OF END OF THE MONTH.
THERE'S ALSO A VERY GOOD SEMINAR ON CASE LAW BRING US UP TO DATE ON SOME OF THE NEW CASES.
IN FACT, IT WAS VERY LUCKY THERE WAS ONE CASE THAT JUST HAPPENED THAT TWO OF THE PRINCIPALS IN THE CASE WERE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND THAT WAS TOTALLY BY ACCIDENT, BUT IT WAS HELPFUL FOR THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES? I THINK TOMMY SAID YOU DID.
I HAD ONE SMALL TYPO ON PAGE THREE, AND THAT IS THE NEXT TO LAST PARAGRAPH.
THE THIRD LINE DOWN STARTS THAT THE TOWN SHOULD CONDUCT A REVIEW.
ITS CURRENT PRINCIPAL BUILDING SHOULD JUST BE OF ITS CURRENT PRINCIPAL BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATIONS.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER CHANGES, MONA OR, UH, LESLIE TO THE, TO THE MINUTES? NO.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN SECOND AS AMENDED AS THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.
WOULD YOU THEN RESTATE YOUR MOTION FOR US, PLEASE? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
I'LL OPPOSED? I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE I DID NOT ATTEND AND OKAY.
SO IT'S SIX ZERO IN ONE ABSTENTION.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN CORRESPONDENCE THIS WEEK WAS ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT THAT ACTUALLY IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT OR WAS LISTENING IN FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE ON THE CHIA BROTHERS FUNERAL HOME ON CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE THE OLD BEN'S KOSHER DELI WAS.
UM, ONE OF THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND EVEN ZOOM THIS EVENING.
SO WE'LL EVEN SUSPEND THE CORRESPONDENCE.
I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE GOT CORRESPONDENCE THIS MORNING FROM THE EDGEMONT, UH, COMMUNITY COUNCIL, AND IT WAS OUTSTANDING WORK DONE BY THEM, I THOUGHT, IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT WHAT THEIR SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT WAR.
SO I ENCOURAGE THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK AND PARTICIPATION FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHETHER THEY BE A COMMUNITY COUNCIL OR INDIVIDUALS.
UM, DO WE WANNA MENTION THAT THAT WOULD BE ON FOR NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? ANTICIPATING? RIGHT.
UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT, UH, LUCIA BROTHERS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S JUST A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A WORK SESSION, JUST PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN GET A FEEL IF YOU LISTEN IN AS TO WHAT THE PROJECT WILL ENTAIL.
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GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED TOO.IT'S GONNA BE ON FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS MAY 2ND.
MOVING INTO OLD BUSINESS FIRST ONE, UH, CASE PLANNING BOARD, UH, 2227, WHICH IS, UH, LIBERTY COCA-COLA.
IT'S FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AS YOU RECALL, THIS IS A EXTREMELY EXCITING PROJECT FOR THE TOWN ON WHICH, UH, WE, THEY'VE NOT ONLY DONE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY ENERGY EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, BUT THEY TOOK THE OUTPUT FROM THIS AND RECYCLED IT BACK INTO THEIR MANUFACTURING PROCESS, WHICH IS A REALLY CREATIVE, FANTASTIC, UH, THING THAT THEY'VE DOING.
SO WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, THE ZONING BOARD AND BACK TO US FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, AARON, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, VOTE ON THIS, THIS, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN THIS AND THERE ARE, COULD YOU MENTION THEM PLEASE? YES.
SO AFTER THE DRAFT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD, WE DID, UH, RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM ED LARKIN OF LABEL OUR FIRE CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT WHO, UH, REVIEWED THE MATERIALS THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND HAD TWO SUGGESTED COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER FOR THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST, WHICH STATES ALL FIRE HYDRANTS ON SITE SHALL BE IDENTIFIED USING N F P A COMPLIANCE SIGNAGE TO ENSURE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS IS MAINTAINED PROPOSED CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THE FIRE ACCESS ROUTE IDENTIFIED AS EMERGENCY VEHICLE PATH ON PLAN SHEET C ZERO 3.2 SHALL BE CLEARLY MARKED IN THE FIELD TO ENSURE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS IS MAINTAINED.
AND THOSE WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE IN ADDITION CONDITIONS.
YEAH, I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON, ON THOSE? MR. STEINS, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, THE BOARD, DAVID STEINS FROM THE LAW FIRM HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING LIBERTY KOCH.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK, UH, UH, MR. SCHMIDT FOR PROVIDING US WITH A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH IT.
ALSO, HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED FROM MR. LARKIN.
WE, WE WILL MAKE THOSE, UH, MODIFICATIONS.
AND I THINK, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE ITERATION OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WE SAW, WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
UH, WE GENUINELY APPRECIATE MR. CHAIRMAN, THE BOARD, UH, MOVING THIS APPLICATION AS JUDICIOUSLY AS IT WAS ABLE TO.
WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT YOU ASSISTED WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
WE WERE VERY PLEASED THAT THE ZONING BOARD DEALT WITH THIS AS QUICKLY AS THEY DID AS, UH, AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT WE ADDED AND HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE BOARD.
ABSOLUTELY 4.2, BEGINNING WITH 4.2 ON PAGE NUMBER SEVEN, THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE A WATER SUPPLY TEST CONDUCTED FOR VARIOUS FIRE HYDRANTS ON AND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE IN COORDINATION WITH THE ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN'S FIRE CONSULTANT PRIOR TO OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT.
A COPY OF THE TEST RESULTS MUST BE FORWARDED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT UPON RECEIPT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE EMERGENCY VEHICLE CIRCULATION AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING EXISTS AT ALL TIMES.
SUBJECT TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT AND TOWN'S FIRE CONSULTANT, THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE STRIPED A 26 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANE ON SITE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE PROJECT 4.4.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THIS CONDITION AS IT READS IN THE DRAFT.
SO IT READS, THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL BOLLARDS AND GUIDE RAILS AROUND THE FACILITY AND ADDITIONAL FIRE HYDRANTS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE REVISION TO, UM, REALLY SPECIFY THAT, UH, THE GUIDE RAILS AND BOLLARDS SHALL BE INSTALLED AROUND THE QUAD GENERATION FACILITY, NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING ON SITE.
SO JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
AND THEN 4.5, THE APPLICANT SHALL IDENTIFY AN ADEQUATE ONSITE STORAGE LOCATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF SNOW FROM A TOP PARKED ONSITE TRAILERS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTED.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE OTHER CONDITIONS ARE STANDARD.
DIDN'T YOU HAVE ONE MORE? I THINK THERE WAS ONE ABOUT THE STORMWATER.
8.3 TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 100 YEAR STORM EVENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE PLAINTIFF.
ALL OTHERS FROM THERE, WHICH IS AWESOME AND THANK YOU.
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I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WE HAVE TO TWO, I GUESS RIGHT.TWO AMENDED P TO, UH, ACCEPT THE, UH, TO APPROVE THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND DIRECT THE ACTUAL WRITING AS AMENDED.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? NO ONE, NO ABSTENTIONS.
NOW I'LL TAKE, I GUESS IT'S BOTH, BOTH IN THE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE HAVE TO DO THE AS AMENDED AGAIN? CORRECT.
I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PER PERMIT AS AMENDED.
SO MOVED SECOND, UH, TOM AND, AND THEN JOHANN.
I HOPE TO SEE AS MANY OF YOU AS WE CAN AT THE GROUND BREAKING AND GET THIS THING UNDERWAY AS SOON AS, UH, BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED.
OUR NEXT PROJECT IS THE, UH, PB 2123.
WITH, WITH IS THE WORTHING ESTATES PARENTHESES D NAPOLI AT ONE, UH, 1490 IN 1952.
SALT MILL RIVER ROAD, PO WAKE PLAINS.
IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PER PERMIT.
AS YOU RECALL, THIS IS A, A 13 LOT SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO LOTS THAT BEING PROVIDED IN THE 13 LOTS.
AND, UM, IT ALSO CONTAINS AN OLD CEMETERY, WHICH HAS BEEN IN, IN THERE FOR, FOR, UH, A LOT OF YEARS.
WHERE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT, I BELIEVE.
IT DOESN'T CONTAIN IT, BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO IT.
IT'S ADJACENT TO ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE TERMS, THERE'S ONE THING THAT SEEMS TO BE AN OPEN ISSUE FROM THE LAST TIME I WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE, WHICH IS THE SIDEWALK ISSUE AS TO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE TOWN CORRECT.
IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THE SIDEWALK.
SO IF WE REFER TO PAGE NUMBER EIGHT OF THE DRAFT DECISION CONDITION, 4.8.
I DID RECEIVE IN WRITING, UH, BY EMAIL THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM MR. ESCALADES ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, THE APPLICANT'S, UM, VOLUNTARY OR PROPOSAL TO DONATE $50,000 TERRIFIC.
TOWARDS, UH, TOWN SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE.
AND SO THIS CONDITION WOULD READ AS WRITTEN.
UH, COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THEN? CERTAINLY.
SO, CONDITION 4.7 ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST SHALL ENSURE THAT THE EXISTING ONSITE WELL IS PROPERLY CAPPED AND CLOSED IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS.
AS I REFERRED TO BEFORE, THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED TO DONATE $50,000 TOWARDS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ALONG WHITE HOUSE ROAD, AS NOTED IN CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED TODAY, APRIL 19TH, 2023.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE.
THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ARE SPECIFICALLY ONLY ALONG WHITE HOUSE ROAD.
THE MONEY CAN'T BE APPLIED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE.
SO WHITE HOUSE ROAD, YOU, IT GOES ON TO STATE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ACCEPTS THIS VOL VOLUNTARY DONATION, RECOGNIZING THAT THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES WHITE HOUSE ROAD AS A PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATION PLANNING BOARD REQUESTS THAT THIS VOLUNTARY DONATION BE PROVIDED AHEAD OF THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BEING ISSUED.
SO BEING THAT WHITE HOUSE ROAD IS A PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATION.
SO IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR WHITE HOUSE ROAD.
IT'S WELL, BUT WHAT IF, WHAT IF ANOTHER SIDEWALK IS NEEDED EVEN MORE THAN WHITE HOUSE ROAD AND THEY NEED THE 50,000 FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT IF YOU GUYS IDENTIFY ANOTHER PARCEL, THEY REALLY NEED A SIDEWALK AND YOU COULD USE THE 50,000 WHY LIMIT IT TO WHITE HOUSE ROAD? IT WOULD NEED FUNDS FROM ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE VICINITY OR NO, BUT I'M SAYING WHY LIMIT IT TO WHITE HOWARD TOWN APPROVED? BECAUSE I THINK IT IS, UH, USUALLY DONE RIGHT.
IT IS, IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBLE TO DO IT ON THEIR SIDE OF THE THAT'S TRUE.
THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THE APPLICANT PROPOSING TO
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BUILD IT ALONG ITS FRONTAGE.IN THIS CASE THEY'VE OFFERED THE VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE OUGHT TO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MICHAEL'S SAYING.
BECAUSE WE, WE DO, IT'S LIKE WITH TREES IN REC AND REC FEES, I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY SAY YOU NEED THE REC FEE FOR VETERAN PARK.
SO I, IN THIS CASE, I THINK SINCE IT IS A PRIORITY, I WOULD DO IT.
I THINK IN CASES AFTER THIS, IF THIS COMES UP AND I HAVE FEELING IT'S GONNA COME UP MORE AND MORE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WOULD RATHER GIVE THE MONEY THAN HAVE THE HEADACHE OF HAVING TO BUILD THE ROPE, THE, THE SIDEWALK THEMSELVES, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE MM-HMM.
SO, UM, WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT, AT LEAST THINK ABOUT THAT AS AN OPTION IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK SO WHAT, WHAT, SO SORRY, YOU GO AHEAD.
ROAD IS ALREADY HERE MARKED FOR A SIDEWALK.
IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE COMP PLAN AS A PRIORITY.
SO, UH, THE GOAL ACTUALLY, THE FUTURE GOAL AND SPEAKING WITH COMMISSIONER DUANE IS, UM, WELL, AS PART OF THE ELMWOOD PROJECT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, IF AND WHEN THAT'S BUILT, THERE'LL BE SOME SIDEWALK INSTALLED ALONG WORTHINGTON ROAD GAME PLAN WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN TO EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK IN THE NORTHERLY DIRECTION ALL THE WAY OUT TO NINE A AND ALSO TO CONNECT TO THE SPUR DOWN WHITE HOUSE DOWN TO NINE EDGE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS A SIDEWALK PROJECT OVERALL IT DOES, IT'S NOT THOUSANDS, IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS.
IF, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHT.
SO 50,000 ISN'T A LOT BEING THAT THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND CHEAPER FOR THEM TO PUT IT IN.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PROBABLY MM-HMM.
SO 50,000 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR A SIDEWALK FUND, SO TO SPEAK, AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT UNDERSTOOD.
THAT I, I, I THINK, BUT THE, I I, IT, MICHAEL HAS, I THINK LIKE WE HAVE THE KIND OF, UH, PROTOCOL TO USE THE TREE REMOVAL OR PRE-PLANTING THINGS TO A WATER WITH THE HIGHEST PRIORITY TO HIT THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE SIDEWALK.
SO WHAT, UH, WHAT HAN'S SAYING IS THAT IT'S JUST DROPPING BUCKET, BUT IT, IT SLOWLY GETS FILLED UP AND THEN WE CAN USE IT WHERE THE TOWN RATES IT.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT CONSIDER THE FUTURE.
I THINK IN THIS CASE, GETTING AS FAR AS WE HAVE WITH THIS ON THIS PROJECT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ME AND THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON WITH THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT.
IF, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER OBJECTION.
ANY OBJECTIONS? IS THERE ANYTHING? YEAH, THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER, A COUPLE MORE.
LET, LET, UH, AARON GO THROUGH AND THEN COMMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD SHOULD SAY LANDMARKS.
SO I WILL UPDATE THAT AND TOWN STAFF TO PERFORM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT HISTORIC WORTHINGTON CEMETERY PROPERTY, WHICH MAY INCLUDE LANDSCAPING, FENCING, POTENTIAL SITTING AREAS, AND MARKING OF GRAVES.
SO THE APPLICANTS AGREED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD AND TOWN STAFF.
WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY? I MEAN, LET'S SAY THE HISTORIC BOARD WOUNDS ONE THING, THE APPLICANT THINKS IT'S A BAD IDEA AND THEY WANT ANOTHER THING.
WELL, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO DETERMINE OWNERSHIP.
SO THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS OWNED BY MR. DRISSLER 125 YEARS AGO WAS, UM, IN HIS WILL, WAS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE ARCHDIOCESE WILL OF THE ARCHDIOCESE ABANDONED IT.
AND SO WE SPOKE WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GONNA CHECK WITH THE SURROGATE COURT, FIND OUT WHAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE LAND FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THAT, AND WE'RE GONNA TRACK IT.
SO IF IT'S, IF IT BE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TOWN OWNED, OKAY, UM, IF IT BECOMES, IF IT BECOMES TOWN OWNED RIGHT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COMMUNICATE BACK WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT I KNOW THAT THE HISTORIC BOARD, IF IT'S TOWN OWNED, AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT, UM, WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER MOVING THE ROUTE OF POTENTIALLY LANDMARKING IT AS OKAY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION THOUGH.
I MEAN, LET'S SAY YOU CAN'T, THERE WOULD BE A DISCUSSION OWN THE PROPERTY.
WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY ON WHAT TO DO? I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, I LIKE IDEA OF A NICE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, BROAD IRON FENCE AROUND IT.
BUT ID ALSO LIKE THE, THE IDEA OF PUBLIC ACCESS AT ALL TIMES, PRETTY MUCH.
OR, YOU KNOW, DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS.
WELL, I SUPPOSE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT.
I MEAN, I, BY OUR OPINION, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT IS THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
I REALLY DON'T IN TERMS OF THEY'VE AGREED TO IT THOUGH.
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BUT SO IT HAS TO BE MUTUALLY THEN IT'S BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT ONLY.BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T AGREE, BUT THEY DON'T AGREE NOTHING THAT IT, IT'S VOLUNTARY AND THEY CAN SAY NO BECAUSE I THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO OUR, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, THEY CAN'T BE DICTATING TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPER OR ANYONE ELSE.
NOT, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE VERY GOOD.
NO, I ONE BOARD THERE WAS A, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THEY HAVE BEEN GOOD DISCUSSION.
YOU'VE BEEN BETTER, YOU'VE HELPED.
THERE WAS GOOD, BEEN GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND ITS REPRESENTATIVE, MR. ESCALADES, THE HISTORIC BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE WERE ALL OUT ON THE SITE VISIT AND THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS TOOK PLACE AND, UM, THE MR. ESCALADES ON BEHALF OF HIS CLIENT WAS AGREEABLE TO PUTTING IN A FENCE AND AND LANDSCAPING.
HE BASICALLY SAID, HEY, WE'RE OPEN TO BEAUTIFYING THIS SITE AND PROTECTING IT.
I MEAN, THEY LOOK, THEY, THEY, THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO GO RIGHT BY IT EVERY DAY.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, AS LONG AS IT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT AND JUST OF COURSE LEAVE IT AT THAT, THAT'S AT THIS POINT OF WHAT I WOULD DO.
BUT, BUT I AGREE WITH ANY PRINCIPLE, WITH MICHAEL'S IDEA THAT IT HAS TO BE WHOEVER GETS OWN, IF A TOWN OWNS IT, THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL AND THEN CAN HAVE A, A MORE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T EVEN, TECHNICALLY WE CAN'T TOUCH THE PROPERTY TECHNICALLY, BUT ALL OWNS IT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO, SO YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT.
I MAY HI, LESLIE, IF, HI, IF THE TOWN OWNS IT, DO OUR, DO THEY HAVE THE FUNDS RIGHT NOW TO BUILD IT UP IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROJECT? NO.
OR WILL IT SIT FOR MANY YEARS AND HAVE TO BE VOTED ON? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR THE FENCING AND OR LANDSCAPING? YOU'RE SITTING AREAS MINOR ESCAPING.
SO IF THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, TURNS OUT THE TOWN OWNS, THEN THE HISTORIC BOARD HAS IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES YEAH.
THAT WE DO TO OBTAIN FUNDING TO DO PERHAPS PERFORM GROUND PENETRATING RADAR THROUGHOUT THAT SITE.
SOME OF THE HEADSTONES HAVE TIPPED THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND IN FACT, THEY MET WITH MAYOR WILLIAMS FROM ELMSFORD, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD MM-HMM.
IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY, UH, IT'S CLEARLY SOME HISTORY FOR WESTCHESTER HISTORY BEHIND IT.
IT BE GREAT WHEN THEY, I HOPE THE HISTORIC BOARD REALLY WORKS HARD, HARD AND KNOW THEY WILL YES.
AND FINDING OUT WHAT THE SIGN HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF IT.
WE KNOW SOME OF IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO WAS THERE AND MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, TRY TO RESEARCH THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, GRAVESTONES BE FANTASTIC.
I THINK THAT BOTH, I THINK, YEAH.
IT'S WALTER, HE'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ON.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I ANSWERED HI WALTER
UH, CAN, CAN I SPEAK? GO AHEAD, HONOR WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR WALTER.
SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 4.8 AND 4.9 BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF THE APPLICANT WALKS AWAY AND SOMEBODY ELSE TAKES OVER? WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT.
LIKE, IF THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN THE MONEY AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TAKEN OVER, THEN WELL, IT'S A COMMITMENT.
IT'S A COMMITMENT, RIGHT AMANDA? IT'S A COMMITMENT OF THE APPROVAL, BUT THEY WOULD PASS IT ON TO THEIR SUCCESSOR.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PASS IT ON TO THEIR SUCCESSOR.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT'S AGREEING VOLUNTARILY TO THOSE CONDITIONS.
BUT IT IS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL BASED ON C O BASED ON C O YEAH.
IT'S A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T WE PUT IN THAT IT HAS TO BE CONVEYED BEFORE THE C O SAY IT AGAIN.
DID WE PUT IN THE 50,000 SHOULD BE CONVEYED AT THE TIME? YES.
AHEAD OF THE FIRST C OF THE FIRST C O.
THERE, THERE IS A MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT IT'S PAID.
SO THERE WON'T BE A C O IF THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN THE 15,000, WON'T, THEY'LL HAVE GONE BACK ON THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AND SO WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO IF THEY LEAVE AND YOU KNOW, THEN NOBODY IS, IS GUARANTEED TO WORK WITH THE, UM, HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE WHOEVER TAKES OVER THAT LAND IF THEY LEFT AND FLIPPED THE LAND OKAY.
IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD? NO, NO.
THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD GO WITH THE, WITH THE APPROVAL.
DOES IT SAY THAT IT'S AUTOMATIC? IT'S BY LAW.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THESE ARE VOLUNTARY CONDITIONS BY THE APPLICANT? YES.
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VOLUNTARY CONDITIONS THAT, THAT WERE PART, THAT ARE PART OF THE APPROVAL, LET'S LET AMANDA, MONA, IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, IT CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED TO SAY SUCCESSOR AN INTEREST IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.IF, IF ABLE TO ASK I THINK SO BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
SO THE SAME AS IN 4.7, YOU'D SAY IT WAS SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT? WE CAN CARRY THAT LANGUAGE OVER.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT WASN'T CARRIED OVER IS 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO THESE CONDITIONS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT PART OF OUR APPROVAL WAS THE FACT THEY VOLUNTARY, NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S VOLUNTARY, BUT WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE AGREEING FINALLY TO IT, IT'S WHAT'S ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, 4.8 SHOULD READ THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST SHALL DONATE $50,000.
NOW IT'S NOT VOLUNTARY ANYMORE.
SO THEY SHALL THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED.
I, I AGREE THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE AGREE WITH ME OR IS IT JUST ME? I, I I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD GO ON EX GO ON OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THERE'S A REASON WHY SHE'S UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO, WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA BREAK AND GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR JUST TO DISCUSS THIS ONE.
DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT OR WE CAN JUST DECIDE? YEAH.
CAN I HAVE A, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS, UH, THE LANGUAGE OF THIS PARTICULAR, UH, THE PARTICULAR, WE'LL ALSO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? TAKING YOUR, SO I'LL TAKE IT IN AND TELL EMBODY AND THEN I'LL PUT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WAITING ROOM.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY VOTES NOPE.
THIS IS MORE FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
IT IS FOR LEGAL ADVICE FOR AMANDA.
MY OFFICE, WELL, WHEN WALTER GETS ON, YEAH, WHEN WALTER COMES, WE WOULD HAVE A FULL BOARD.
YOU'LL BE BACK TO ALTERNATE TONIGHT.
IN THE, IN THE MEANTIME, UH, WE'RE WE'RE BACK IN WORK SESSION IN EXECUTIVE, UH, SESSION.
WE WERE, UH, SEEKING LEGAL DEVICE, UH, ADVICE, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR HOW BEST TO, UH, PUT THE CONDITIONS OF, UH, THE APPROVAL WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
AARON WILL, UH, READ OUT WHAT WE HAVE, UH, HOW WE HAVE CHANGED THOSE, CHANGED THOSE TWO CONDITIONS.
SO CONDITION 4.8 ON PAGE EIGHT, IT'S NOW PROPOSED TO READ THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO CONTRIBUTE $50,000 TOWARDS SIDEWALK DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE.
AS NOTED IN CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED APRIL 19TH, 2023, THE PLANNING BOARD ACCEPTS THIS DONATION RECOGNIZING THAT THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES WHITE HOUSE ROAD AS A PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATION.
THE PLANNING BOARD REQUESTS THAT THIS DONATION BE PROVIDED AHEAD OF THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BEING ISSUED BY THE TOWN'S BUILDING INSPECTOR OR PRIOR TO ANY TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OF THE LOTS.
SHOULD THE WORDS DONATION BE CONTRIBUTION AND KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE FIRST SENTENCE? YEAH, SURE.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO PROBLEM THERE.
WITH RESPECT TO 4.9, IT WILL NOW READ THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL WORK WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AND TOWN STAFF TO PERFORM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT HISTORIC WORTHINGTON CEMETERY PROPERTY, WHICH MAY INCLUDE LANDSCAPING, FENCING, POTENTIAL SITTING AREAS AND MARKING OF GRAVES.
DIDN'T WE SAY MOND JULIE AGREED OR, OR NO? NO.
I JUST, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT LIKE THAT TO FOUR.
MICHAEL, YOU FINE WITH IT IS FINE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT, UH, THEN WE GOT 4, 10, 11, AND 12.
I CAN QUICKLY PLEASE RECITE THOSE.
FOUR POINT 10 THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE THE PROJECT DESIGN PROFESSIONAL ON SITE DURING THE COURSE OF EXCAVATION ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY.
IN THE EVENT, ANY ITEMS RELATING TO THE NEIGHBORING WORTHINGTON CEMETERY PROPERTY ARE UNEARTHED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO HUMAN REMAINS.
ALL WORK MUST CEASE AND THE PROJECT DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WILL NOTIFY THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION, THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR
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AND THE TOWN TOWN'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE AN APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION.ANY HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS UNCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF EXCAVATION ACTIVITIES AND RELATED SITE WORK MUST BE PHOTOGRAPHED AND SET ASIDE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION AND HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD MUST BE CONTACTED.
THE APPLICANT FOR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL INSTALL AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS DRIVE OFF OF SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AS DEPICTED ON THE PLANS ENTITLED PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT PLAN DATED 10 10 22 SHEET C 10, AND DRAWN BY EMILIO ESCALADES PE, NEW YORK STATE LICENSE NUMBER OH 1 5 3 3 9 DASH ONE.
AND THOSE LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THIS APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS FROM THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OF THE EMERGENCY ACCESS AS APPLICABLE PERIOD.
IF, IF THIS EMERGENCY ACCESS IS ON THE PLAN YES.
AND THE PLANS ARE INCORPORATED IN THIS MM-HMM.
WE WANTED, A LOT OF TIMES WE DO WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IN THE VERBIAGE, IN THE LANGUAGE, THE DECISIONS.
THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE DONE MANY TIMES.
IT'S REDUNDANT, BUT IT'S JUST REINFORCING.
IT'S SOMETHING ALSO THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH, WE HAVE OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING, WE LIKE TO IDENTIFY ALL THE ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT OR ITS SUCCESSOR INTEREST WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND WHEN IT'S IN LANGUAGE, IT'S EASIER THAN TRYING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE DRAWINGS.
NOT ONLY THAT, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE SOMETIMES THE PLANS, THERE'S CHANGES BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.
SO WHEN IT GETS TO ENGINEERING OR GETS TO BUILDING, SOMETIMES THINGS ARE MISSED AND SO SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO LOOK AT.
I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, SO LET'S, UH, TRY TO MOVE THROUGH WHERE WE ARE FIRST IS I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED.
SO MOVED SECOND ARE JOHANN SECONDS.
AYE IS LESLIE, LESLIE WE CAN'T SEE.
HOW COME WE'RE ONLY SEE MOMENT, NOT LESLIE? WELL, THERE'S SOME BANNER OVER LESLIE'S SPACE.
NO, BUT WE HAVE A GIANT PICTURE OF MONA.
NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT IT'LL BE NICE TO SEE BOTH OF YOU
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING BOARD'S STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AS AMENDED? SO, SO MOVED.
YOU SECOND IT, MONA, SECOND MONA SECONDS.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ACTUALLY, AND THANK YOU MATT.
SO YEAH, UH, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN HER? SO, UM, WITH, UH, PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE SUBDIVISION AND OTHER APPROVALS, UH, LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVALS OR SITE PLAN APPROVALS, UH, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE HELD OFF ON THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVALS, THE FINAL SUB OTHER APPROVALS UNTIL FINAL SUBDIVISION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER APPROVALS TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU COULD HAVE JUST SAID THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH QUICKER.
SO THEN WE'RE DONE FOR THIS ALL SET.
AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION, AT WHICH POINT WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, PROVE A STEEP SLOPE AND FEE REMOVAL.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE IT THAT WAY BEFORE.
'CAUSE THE PHASE TREES, WHEN WE'VE DONE IT, LIKE WHEN WE'VE DONE STEEP SLOPE WITH PRELIMINARY, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'RE REALLY TYING THE DATE THAT IT KICKS INTO EFFECT WITH FINAL SUBDIVISION.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN EXTENSION.
NOW A VERY SIMPLE CASE, RIGHT? MR. STEINMAN
CASE PB 2220 ELMWOOD PRESERVE EIGHT 50 DOVE BURY ROAD.
PRELIMINARY, UH, SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WHICH WE WILL NOT BE APPRO APPROVING ANYTIME SOON.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL SUBDIVISION, WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
HEY, UH, AARON, I'M GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
AARON'S, IT'S GETTING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH THIS.
I'M SORRY, MR. S JUST HOLD ON FOR A SECOND.
WHO'S REALLY COMPLAINING RIGHT NOW.
WELL, HE THREW HIM UNDER THE BUS.
THAT GOES WITH THAT GOES, UH, SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNEW IT.
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WELL, YOU KNOW THAT JIM, JIM IS HIDING UNDER THE CHAIR SOMEWHERE.JIM, WE CAN'T EVEN, HE'S BEHIND US.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET HIM TO SHOW UP ANYMORE.
OKAY, WELL, YOUR DIEGO, AN APOLOGY ACTUALLY DIRECTLY
TURNS, TURNS OUT HE'S A BRUINS FAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FINAL PERIOD, THE GAME.
ARE WE SETTLED DOWN NOW? WE ARE.
SO WHEN WE LEFT, LAST LEFT, IT, WE, WE HAD THE LAST WORK SESSION WE HAD ON THIS, UH, WE SAW A PLAN.
UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A, A ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN AT THE TIME, AND WE AS A BOARD TOTALLY DISAGREED WITH THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE TIME.
UM, SO, AND AS I UNDERSTAND ALSO THE THIRD ISSUE THAT'S COME UP SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, WHICH IS MORE OF AN UPDATE, I THINK, THAN ANYTHING ELSE OKAY.
AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH TEARING DOWN THE BUILDINGS AND THE LANDFILL AND ALL THAT.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GIVE YOU GUYS A CHANCE TO JUST ADDRESS THESE THREE ISSUES FIRST.
THEN WE'LL HAVE A PROBABLY A FAIRLY LIVELY DISCUSSION ON, ON THOSE, ON AT LEAST TWO, IF NOT THREE OF THE SUBJECTS.
SO WE STEINS FROM THE LAW FIRM Z STEINS REPRESENTING THE WOOD ELEMENT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS.
ONE QUICK THING, UM, WE ARE PRESENTLY WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF STAFF, UH, IN THE TOWN IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDINGS.
I KNOW YOU CHARACTERIZED IT AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION OTHER THAN THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE WERE TAKEN DOWN.
UM, BUT WE ARE WORKING, UM, AS COOPERATIVELY AS WE ALL CAN WITH STAFF, UH, WITH THE COUNTY SOLID WASTE COMMISSION, WHICH APPARENTLY HAS INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE, UM, NO ISSUES.
AND I JUST DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT THE PHRASE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
OH NO, I WHAT I MEANT ANYBODY ANY CONCERN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU WAS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHERE THAT WAS BECAUSE I KNEW, I KNEW YOU WERE WORKING WITH IT.
I KNEW THE D E C WAS INVOLVED, I KNEW THE TOWN, TOWN OFFICIALS WERE INVOLVED.
NOT NECESSARILY FOR, FOR FOR BAD REASONS.
ISN'T THERE BROWNFIELD INVOLVED IN THIS OR NO? RIGHT.
SO, UM, YEAH, THERE IS THERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A BROWNFIELD, UM, CLEANUP.
UH, OBVIOUSLY AS WE HAD INDICATED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, UM, THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF CHEMICALS, UH, AND PESTICIDES USED FOR DECADES IN CONNECTION WITH THE, UM, GOLF COURSE.
UM, SO THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE TYPICALLY ONE WOULD FIND WHEN RECLAIMING AND REPURPOSING A COUNTRY CLUB AT THE PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE D E C.
IN TERMS OF THE DEMOLITION, YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW.
AND, AND, AND WE HAVE SAID THIS TO, UM, TO AMANDA AND JOE AND, AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH US O OVER THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, MY CLIENT WAS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED BY REPRESENTATIVES IN THE TOWN TO GET TO GET THE DEMOLITION UNDERWAY.
UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS VANDALISM AND TRESPASS ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND, UH, AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, BRIDGEWOOD HAD BEEN TERRIFIC IN TERMS OF GIVING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE'D BEEN A WONDERFUL HAND IN GLOVE, UM, COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP.
AND WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO COMMENCE DEMOLITION, UM, THAT WAS TAKEN, UM, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO DO DEMOLITION AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, OF, OF THE SITE.
I UNDERSTAND THE DEMOLITION WAS UNDERWAY.
SO WITH ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU DID MAKE IT CLEAR TO US THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE BEFORE YOU GO ONTO THAT.
BUT THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE D E C IS IN TERMS OF AWAY FROM WHERE THE DEMOLITION'S BEING DONE, THE REST OF THE A HUNDRED SOMETHING ACRES IS THAT THE, THEY DIDN'T WANT TEST ANY TESTING DONE UNTIL, UNTIL YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING WITH THE LAND.
IS THAT DOWN WITH DIRT? WELL, SO, UM, IF YOU RECALL, AARON MENTIONED THERE WAS A PHASE TWO DONE ON MOST OF THE SITE TO DETERMINE RIGHT.
WHICH LOOKED GOOD AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND WOULD IN FURTHER TESTING IN CON IN CONNECTION WITH THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM.
THAT INCLUDES THE 14 ACRE PARCEL.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO US THAT YOU HAD, UH, SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, UH, AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, CONCEPT.
DIEGO JAMES, THEIR ENTIRE, UM, UH, GROUP THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FILE ALONG WITH OUR CLIENTS, HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALTERNATIVES.
AND, UH, I THINK JAMES IS PREPARED TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR NEW TOWN ENGINEER.
UH, WE THINK WE HAVE A, A CONCEPT THAT, THAT MEETS EVERYONE'S NEEDS.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE LANDSCAPING.
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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE SCREEN.UM, SO WICHITA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH, START WITH THE DRAINAGE.
SO, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WAS BEING TREATED GLOBALLY AND ALSO ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ROADWAYS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THOSE ROADWAYS WOULD REMAIN PUBLIC OR PIPE.
SO SINCE THEN, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD MEETINGS WITH, UH, BOTH DW AND ENGINEERING.
UM, AND I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT THE TOWN, UH, OR THAT THE ROADWAYS AND UTILITIES WITHIN THE ROADWAYS SHOULD REMAIN PUBLIC UTILITIES.
SO I THINK WE'RE AGREEMENT ON THAT.
UM, NOW WITH REGARD TO HOW THE STORMWATER IS BEING MANAGED, UH, THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE DID PUT FORTH THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT DOES MEET THE, UH, D C REQUIREMENTS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, TOWN ENGINEER WANTED ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, SCRUTINY TO BE PAID TO THAT ACCORDANCE WITH COUNTER CODE.
UM, SO WHAT WE, UH, DECIDED TO, TO LOOK AT IS HOW WE CAN MANAGE THIS INDIVIDUALLY ON EACH LOT, UM, WITHIN THE ENTIRE 13, UM, UH, SUBDIVISION, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL SUMMER MANAGEMENT BASIS AS WELL.
SO THOSE TWO COMPONENTS NOW, UM, CAN WORK TOGETHER.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'VE UH, COME UP WITH IS, UH, INDIVIDUAL DETENTION ON EACH THAT 25 YEAR STORM BY COLLECTING THE ROOF BY ROOF DRAIN LEADERS.
AND MOST OF THE DRIVEWAYS, UH, ON EACH LOT, UH, WILL BE DETAINED ON, UH, EACH LOT IN A OVERSIZED 24 INCH, 36 INCH, UH, CLOSED PIPE THAT WILL LIKELY BE BURIED EITHER BENEATH THE DRIVEWAY, A SIDE YARD, IN REAR YARD, DEPENDING ON HOW THE LOT'S CREATED.
UM, AND THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE RELEASE SLOWLY WITH UHOR TO THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, EITHER IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR IN DRAINAGE EASEMENT DEPENDING ON INDIVIDUAL.
FURTHERMORE, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT TRUCTURE HAVE TO FILE A SEPARATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT DEPENDING ON THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME, THAT PROPOSED VEHICLE, WHATEVER WALKWAYS, PATIOS, THINGS LIKE THAT, DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATIONS THAT ULTIMATELY PROPOSED FOR EACH LOT WILL HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA THAT TOWN CODE 20 FORM.
UM, NOW THE OVERALL, UH, MANAGEMENT AREAS ON THE CONSERVATION, UH, PARCELS.
COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES.
WHY ARE YOU STORING THE WATER ON A PIPE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A COAL TECH? IT'S REALLY THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST A PROPRIETARY PRODUCT.
IT'S NOT AS DEEP IT SO AS DEEP EITHER.
IS IT, IT IT, IT WORKS THE SAME WAY.
WELL, IT DOESN'T THOUGH, BUT IT'S ENCLOSED.
BECAUSE THE CULTECH ALLOWS PERCOLATION AND ENC CLOSED PIPE JUST DELAYS THE RELEASE.
THERE'S TWO THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFILTRATION OR RECHARGE.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU, YOU'RE THINKING OF THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DETENTION, WHICH IS CLOSED PIPE THAT, UH, DOES NOT INFILTRATE INTO WE'RE PROPOSING A CLOSED PIPE THAT DOES NOT INFILTRATE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE.
DO YOU HAVE TO PER TEST ON EVERYTHING? UH, IT DOESN'T BECOME FEASIBLE.
UM, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ALL THE WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS GLOBALLY FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IN THOSE OPEN ATION BASINS THAT WE ALREADY HAD 25 YEARS STORM.
IS THAT THE NEW DEFINITION OF 25 YEAR STORM? IT'S WHATEVER'S CURRENT TO THE TOWN CODE.
SO THE TOWN CODE CHAPTER 2 48, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN UPDATED UPDATED, THERE'S UPDATED DATA WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN STORM FOR RAINFALL AMOUNTS.
IT'S LIKE SIX POINT, IT'S CLOSE TO THE RANGE OF SIX INCHES FOR 25 YEAR STORM.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL EVENT.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE DONATING THE, AND YOU MAYBE DELETING INTO THIS, YOU'RE DONATING THE, THE UTILITIES, EVERYTHING GONNA BE TOWN UTILITIES.
ARE YOU GUYS ENGINEERING THE, THE, THE DRAIN, THE YES.
STREET DRAINAGE AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN? YES.
HAS THAT ALSO BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM? UH, THOSE ARE, YES.
NOW HERE'S MY, MY NEXT QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IN PERMEABLE SURFACE IS GOING TO BE? LOT BY LOT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF YOU DID IT, YOU'VE GOT A CERTAIN BUILDUP THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING ON THE, ON THE LOT, RIGHT? THESE ARE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES WE KNOW ARE PRETTY LIKELY THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA HAVE SWIMMING POOLS.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE PATIOS AND DECKS.
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PROBABLY.AND INCREASE AN INCREASING IMPERMEABLE SURFACE OVER TIME.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT STORM WATER SYSTEM, YOU'RE DEPENDENT ON THAT.
THE WAY YOU SET THIS UP AND I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DID IT AND WHY.
THE WAY YOU SET THIS UP NOW, YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RETAINING IT AND AND SOLELY DOING IT, WHICH WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
THAT'S FINE THE WAY YOU SET IT UP.
YOU BE TOTALLY DEPENDENT THOUGH ON THE PUBLIC RAINWATER SYSTEM.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT DISPERSING ANY OF THE WATER ON THE PROPERTY THE WAY THIS IS SET UP BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY PIPED.
THERE'S A RETENTION BUT EVENTUALLY IT'S DIRECTLY PIPED IN.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING CAPACITY OF THE STORM, HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT OR THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, IS THAT GONNA BE ABOVE AND BEYOND A CERTAIN BUILD OUT? IS THAT GONNA BE THEN REQUIRED TO OKAY, MRS. JONES WHO BOUGHT LOT NUMBER 13 AND THEY THEN GOING TO, WILL THEY COME HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND PUT IN A CALL TECH? THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU WANT.
DIEGO'S KNOW ME EVEN LONGER THAN YOU HAVE JIM.
DIEGO ALLEY WITH J M C, UM, VALID, VALID QUESTION.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL ONSITE TRAINING SYSTEMS REALLY COME INTO PLAY.
EACH LOT IS REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE YOU KNOW THE TOWN FOR PERMITS.
THERE'S GONNA BE AN INDIVIDUAL STORMWATER PERMIT ONSITE.
UH, IMPERVIOUS AREAS ARE GONNA BE SPECIFIC TO EACH LOT DEPENDING ON THE FINAL SIZE OF THE HOME, THE AMOUNT OF DRIVEWAY ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO POOL.
THAT IS WHEN THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS ULTIMATELY DESIGNED.
THE PLANS THAT WERE INCLUDED THAT JAMES AND I SAT DOWN, WE WENT THROUGH WITH DIFFERENT ENGINEERS, INCLUDES A TYPICAL STORM DRAINAGE CONFIGURATION FOR EACH LOT BASED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE CAN BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL GET REFINED AND THAT GETS SIZED FOR A 25 YEAR STORM.
SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IS THE OUTFLOW FROM EACH LOT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST HOW BIG OF A DETENTION SYSTEM ARE YOU GONNA NEED TO PUT ON THAT PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN THE FLOW THAT IS COMING OFF THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE ONSITE IN THE ROADWAY IS BEING DESIGNED FOR THAT 25 YEAR STORM.
AND NOW IF A HOMEOWNER OF A LOT 110 IS A SLIGHTLY MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA THAN 109, THEIR DETENTION SYSTEM WILL BE SLIGHTLY LARGER ON THAT PROPERTY THAN THE OTHER PROPERTY.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I UNDERSTAND THAT.
OVER THE 112 OR 113 HOUSES, RIGHT? YES.
AND YOU'RE BUILDING WHAT IS WILL BE A PUBLIC WASTEWATER SYSTEM, I'M SORRY, STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, NOT WASTEWATER, STORM DRAIN SYSTEM BASED ON THAT CALCULATION.
NONE OF THAT HOWEVER, IS BUILT ON MAX MAXIMUM BUILD OUT FOR ANY OF THOSE LOTS.
I WOULD ASSUME IT IT'S BASED ON THE, UM, SIZES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A TYPICAL SIZE HOME.
SO THAT'S WHERE AGAIN, THE INDIVIDUAL ONSITE DRAIN SYSTEM.
HERE'S, HERE'S MY QUESTION THOUGH.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU CONTINUE TO DIRECT ALL OF THE WATER FROM THIS ADDITIONAL MRS. JONES DECIDES TO BUILD THE SWIMMING POOL AND THE, AND THE DECK YES.
AND YOU THEN ENLARGE THE RETENTION SYSTEM ON THERE, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE TAXING THAT PUBLIC PART MORE THAN YOU WERE BEFORE.
'CAUSE THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS OF THE ENTIRE PLACE IS GOING TO BE MORE AS THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, 45 MRS. JONES'S, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUT OF 113 HOUSES.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN OF SAYING OKAY, I CAN UNDERSTAND BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, TAKE THE BASIC HOUSE.
BASIC HOUSE YOU'RE GONNA SELL BEFORE ANY OPTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AT THE 25 YEAR STORM LEVEL FOR THE, FOR THE, THE STORM DRAIN TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE.
AT THAT POINT THOUGH, MY QUESTION, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, OKAY.
NOT AN ENGINEER I TALKED TO CORRECT.
UM, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF? WHY WOULDN'T YOU REQUIRE THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF TO BE MAINTAINED ON PROPERTY THROUGH A CULTECH FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THAT COULD I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS CASE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CONVEYING IT TO YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE AGAIN, WITH EACH LOT HAVING TO RECEIVE A STORMWATER PERMIT, THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO DOING AN ONSITE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
THAT ONSITE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WILL GENERALLY
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CONSIST OF THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM.IF IN FACT A SPECIFIC
AND THERE MIGHT BE A SUPPLEMENTAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE WATER COMING OFF OF ROCK 110, THE SAME HAS X AMOUNT OF FLOW ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THAT'S THE FLOW THAT'S ENTERING THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHAT THE SYSTEM IS.
DOES THAT MAKE THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AND THIS I'LL LET THE REST OF THE BOARD ASK AND WHAT YOU GUYS CONTINUE, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO OVER OVERBUILD THE STORM WATER SYSTEM UPFRONT FIRST IF POSSIBLE.
TO AVOID THE NEED TO DO SOME OF THOSE AS THESE PEOPLE PUT IN IMPROVEMENT.
SO WHAT WE DO WITH THIS IS THAT'S ALL A LOT OF THAT IS
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO THINGS.
AND THE REASON WHY WE USE THAT TERMINOLOGY JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, CONVEYANCE IS ONE THING.
WATER CAN BUILD UP IN PIPES, IT COULD POND UP IN CATCH BASINS, BUT AT SOME POINT THAT WATER'S GOTTA BE PROCESSED THROUGH AND WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FLOODING A HOMEOWNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU NEVER WANT TO BE PUT INTO A SITUATION AS AN ENGINEER WHERE WATER IS BUILDING UP TO A POINT WHERE IT'S IN SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS LOOK AT DRAINAGE SYSTEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONVEY A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
BUT THE PIPES ARE DESIGNED FOR A 25 YEARS.
SENSE I I JUST, BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANT TO JUST ANNOUNCE THAT MR. SIMON HAS JOINED US AND WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND UH, MOA OBVIOUSLY YOU STILL PARTICIPATE, BUT YOU'RE BACK TO BE BEING OUR ALTERNATE FOR THE EVENING.
MY QUESTION IS DIFFERENT IF YOU DON'T, DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? I JUST WANT TO CATCH UP.
WE'RE ON ELMWOOD TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT, DID YOU, SO DID YOU, 'CAUSE WE DID DISCUSS A LOT AND I THINK THERE WAS FAIR AMOUNT OF CLARITY PROVIDED.
NOW DO YOU NEED THEM TO RECAP THAT FOR YOU SINCE YOU JUST WALKED IN? I WOULD LIKE THAT BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU WERE DOING A GROSS CAPTURE OF THE WATER OFF THE SITE AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A GROSS DECREASE OR NO EXIT OF WATER FROM YOUR SITE.
BUT INTERNALLY, UH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE LEADERS WERE JUST GOING ON THE GROUND AND THAT COULD FLOOD THE NEIGHBOR.
SO NOW NO LONGER THE CASE, THE SYSTEM TAKE 10 SECONDS, A FEW MINUTES IN SUMMARY.
INDIVIDUAL ON SITE, MEANING INDIVIDUAL LOCKED DRAINAGE SYSTEMS ARE NOW PROPOSED.
BUT ROOF DRAIN LEADERS, STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM ROOF DRAIN LEADERS AND PARKING AREAS AND PAID SURFACES WILL BE COLLECTED AND CONVEYED TO AN ONSITE DETENTION SYSTEM.
THAT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED TO DETAIN THE 25 YEAR STORM BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED FROM THE MUNICIPAL SYSTEM WITHIN THE ROADWAY.
SO THAT'S JUST A QUICK SYNOPSIS.
SO UNLIKE TEX THAT PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND YEAH.
SO THAT WATER DOES NOT LEAVE THE PROPERTY.
WHICH GETS TO MY QUESTION 'CAUSE YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT LOT BY LOT FOR PERMITS AND NOW YOU, A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I DO, BUT EVERY TIME WE'VE LOOKED AT ANYTHING ON A LOT BY LOT IT'S BEEN, IT CANNOT LEAVE THE LOT.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS IT? IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO THAT THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF ON THE LOT CAN'T LEAVE MORE JUST LEMME FINISH.
CAN'T BE MORE AFTER CONSTRUCTION AS IT WAS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.
SO IN THIS CASE IT IS STILL ALL RUNNING OFF.
YOU HAVE OLD SYSTEM TO CONTAIN IT WITHIN THE GREATER PROPERTY, BUT LOT BY LOT IT'S NOT, IT'S RUNNING.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THIS, THIS WORKS.
IT'S RUNNING OFF INTO A PUBLIC PIPE, BUT BACK INTO A PRIVATE HOLDING.
SO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY MEETS THE STANDARD BUT NOT THE INDIVIDUAL.
LOTS AS I'VE, JUST TO CLARIFY, JUST YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND RATES OF RUNOFF VERSUS STORMWATER RUNOFF.
THE OBLIGATION UNDER YOUR CODE IS TO CONTROL THE RATE OF RUNOFF, MEANING NO MORE WATER CAN BE COMING OFF YOUR PROPERTY TODAY AT A SPECIFIC RATE ANY FASTER THAN TOMORROW.
SO IF WE BUILD A BIG PARKING LOT, THAT'S WHY YOU BUILD
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A BIG DETENTION SYSTEM.IT'S INTENDED TO HOLD THE WATER AND RELEASE IT AT A VERY SLOWLY SO THAT YOU'RE NOT FLOODING DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S WHAT A DETENTION SYSTEM DOES.
AN INFILTRATION SYSTEM STARTS TO TAKE WATER AND INFILTRATE IT BACK INTO THE GROUND, WHICH HAPPENS AS WELL.
AND WE DO HAVE INFILTRATION SYSTEMS IN OUR BASINS DOWNSTREAM.
THE ONSITE SYSTEMS ARE INTENDED TO CONTROL THE RATE OF RUNOFF, MEANING HOW FAST THIS WATER IS COMING OFF THE PROPERTY SO THAT WE'RE NOT FLOODING DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES.
WE'RE PICKING UP OFF THE ALL THE ROOF DRAIN LEADERS, NOTHING'S DISCHARGING ONTO A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY ANYMORE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
EVERYTHING'S COLLECTED AND CONVEYED TO THE, I'M UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WORKS.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW THAT MEETS THE CODE.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T, MAYBE IT DOESN'T.
SO WE'VE BRIEFLY SPOKE WITH THE TAN ENGINEER AND D P W AND I'M GONNA GET THEM TO CONFIRM IN WRITING THAT IT DOES MEET THE STANDARD OF THE CODE, UM, BASED ON CAPTURE OF STORMWATER ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND CONTAINMENT TO BE RELEASED AT A RATE THAT IS PERMISSIBLE AND FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE.
IT'S A QUALITATIVE, QUALITATIVE MEASURE TO MEET D E C REQUIREMENTS AND THE BASINS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE ON SITE, NOT JUST ON THE NOT ON THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE H O A.
WHEREAS, UM, AND D P W, AGAIN, I'LL GET THEM TO CONFIRM THIS IN WRITING, BUT THEY'RE, UM, SATISFACTORY WITH THE, UH, RATE OF FLOW, UH, FROM THE DRAINAGE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT.
THEY DON'T WORK LIKE CULT TEXT, BUT WE, WE JUST HAVEN'T HEARD IT THIS WAY BEFORE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS AND, AND, AND THE ISSUE IS YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE CULT TEXT, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE, THE STREET AND THE WINDING RIDGE, THERE'S NO CULEX THERE GOT, THERE'S TWO HUGE RETENTION PONDS.
BUT ALL THE GUTTERS, ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THE STREETS, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
AND EVERYTHING GOES INTO THOSE RETENTION.
NOW, WALTER, THE ONLY THING YOU MISSED THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE CAME IN WITH, WITH THESE FOLKS WAS THAT'S ASSUMING A STANDARD BUILD.
IT'S DESIGNED FOR STANDARD BUILD.
HOWEVER, IT, WHEN THEY START CUSTOMIZING THESE HOUSES AND ADDING THINGS LIKE SWIMMING POOLS AND STUFF, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN FOR INDIVIDUAL STORM WATER PERMIT ANYWAY.
AND THEY MAY AT THAT TIME DECIDE THAT THE SYSTEM IS CONNECTED TO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PIPING IS INADEQUATE AND AT THAT POINT THEY CAN REQUIRE A CULTECH RIGHT.
OR A BIGGER RETENTION PIPE OR, OR A BIGGER S WHAT WE, WHAT WE PROVIDED WAS ATYPICAL.
SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE ONE I JUST WANTED, I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK, I THINK LESLIE HAD HAD HER HAND RAISED.
LESLIE DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED? NO.
WELL I DID, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT OF THE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT JUST NOW, SO, AND YOU ANSWERED IT RIGHT.
SO MINE'S BASED ON THAT TOO ACTUALLY.
BUT DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING AND MAKE SURE? SURE.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE ROADWAY WILL BE BUILT OUT TO A HUNDRED YEAR STANDARD, A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD STANDARD DESIGNED FOR A HUNDRED FOR A HUNDRED, A 25 YEAR DESIGN STORM.
BUT WE EVALUATE IT TO MAKE SURE IT CAN CONVEY THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
THE PIPING, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A DESIGN FLOW AND YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL NUTS AND BOLTS IN THE MATH ASSOCIATED WITH IT, IT'S SIZED FOR A 25 YEAR DESIGN STORM.
BUT THEN WE MODEL THE SYSTEM AT A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AND WE SAY, OKAY, MAYBE THERE'S SOME WATER PONDING IN AND AROUND THE CATCH BASIN.
THE CATCH BASIN MAY FILL UP WITH WATER DURING A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, BUT IT'S NOT FLOWING OFF THE SITE INTO THE ROADWAY.
IT'S NOT CREATE FLOODING A ROADWAY TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T PASS.
IT'S, IT'S, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
SO IT'S DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS.
YOU'RE NOT FLOODING OUT A BUILDING OR A NEIGHBOR OR ANY SPECIFIC PROPERTIES.
SO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM IS EVALUATED TO MAKE SURE IT CAN BE CONVEYED.
YOUR QUESTION JUST TO LOOKING AT OTHER, OTHER WAY.
UH, PROVIDING THIS IS THAT MIC NOT ON? SEE YOUR MIC ON.
THERE SHOULD BE A BUTTON ON IT.
UM, IS YOUR MIC ON, ON THE PODIUM? CHECK YOUR MIC.
OKAY, SO WHAT, WHAT ABOUT IF YOU PULL WHITE IT CALLED DECK UNIT INSTEAD OF THE PIPE? A CULTECH UNIT INSTEAD OF THE PIPE THAT COULD, WE'VE DONE CALTECH CHAMBERS WITH LINERS WHERE IT SERVES AS A
BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CONNECT ALL THE ROOF DRAIN LEADERS INTO SPECIFIC THINGS.
IT'S JUST A NICE CLEAN SYSTEM THAT COULD BE INSTALLED RELATIVELY EASY WITH EACH LOT.
BUT UM, IT'S JUST A VERY CLEAN AND CONVENIENT WAY.
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IS IT CHEAPER OR WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CHEAPER? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW.YOU'D HAVE TO DO PERCOLATION TESTS IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE LOTS.
OTHERWISE, WELL, IF, IF YOU'RE STARTING TO RELY ON INFILTRATION, THEN NOW YOU HAVE TO START LOOKING AT THOSE INDIVIDUAL THINGS.
THAT'S AGAIN, IT'S UH, SOMETHING WE FEEL IS WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOUR CODE REQUIRES.
WE'RE MEETING IT WITH THE DETENTION OBLIGATIONS AND I CAN'T DO SET OF THE EFFECT ALL THE DOWNSTREAM SYSTEMS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF STORMWATER BASINS THAT IS THE NEXT LEVEL OF TREATMENT AND DETENTION THAT'S STILL BEING INCORPORATED.
THE BASINS HANDLE A HUNDRED YEAR STORMWATER.
ALL OF THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO DESIGN AND THEY TREAT FOR QUALITY IN ADDITION TO QUANTITY.
ARE THEY GONNA BE STUCKED WITH TROUT? NOT WITH TROUTS.
I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA EAT THOSE TROUTS.
SO CAN YOU INDULGE ME ONE SECOND? JUST DESCRIBE WHAT THE NYLO PLAST IS, HOW IT WORKS.
SO NYLO PLAST STRUCTURES AS OPPOSED TO LIKE A CONCRETE CATCH BASIN.
IT'S A PLASTIC VERSION OF IT THAT WORKS INTERCHANGEABLY WITH P V C PIPE.
THEY JUST COME TOGETHER VERY NICELY CLEAN AND EASY.
AND THEY'RE VERY EASY TO MAINTAIN.
THEY'RE PERFECT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO, AND THEY DON'T LOOK, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.
HOW IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A PROPRIETARY PRODUCT.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A CATCH BASIN.
IT'S THE SAME EXACT THING I WAS JUST USING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IN LOT HAS A CATCH BASIN.
EVERY LOT HAS A CATCH BASIN, UNDERGROUND PIPES AND ALL ROOF DRAIN LEADERS CONNECTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE DRAINAGE OR SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO LANDSCAPING? JAMES? OKAY.
WE COULD THANK YOU FOR DO, DOING THIS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND ALSO DO APPRECIATE, I WOULD DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD WITH OUR, WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS HERE TO COME UP WITH THIS.
SO IT'S A BIG TURNAROUND FROM THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS.
UM, SINCE WE, UH, LAST BEFORE YOU, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE OUR TREE SURVEY UPDATED AND FINALIZED FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, 92 ACRE PARCEL, UM, THEY SURVEYED, UH, JUST OVER 1400 TREES.
UM, A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE OPEN SPACE 'CAUSE THEY'RE FAIRWAYS, BUT A LOT OF THE TREES OCCUR IN BETWEEN THE FAIRWAYS AND A LOT ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE NOW TOTALS ESTABLISHED FOR ANTICIPATED REMOVALS.
SO OF THE 1400, APPROXIMATELY 700 ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND 700 WOULD THEN REMAIN.
OF THOSE APPROXIMATE 700 REMOVALS, 333 ARE REGULATED UNDER THE TOWN CODE.
SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE EIGHT INCHES OR GREATER.
IF THEY'RE ON STEEP SLOPE, THEY'RE SIX INCHES OR GREATER.
AND IF THEY'RE IN A WEAPON WATERCOURSE BUFFER, THEY'RE FOUR INCHES OR GREATER.
UM, BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS, UH, WE ESTABLISHED THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE OF ALL THAT.
UH, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPLACEMENT VALUE WOULD NEED TO BE AS FAR AS WATER UPTAKE AND CARBON SEQUESTRATION AND C O TWO.
UM, AND WE LOOKED AT OUR PROPOSED TYPICAL LANDSCAPING PLANS FOR EACH LOT.
WE PREPARED TYPICAL NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST FACING LANDSCAPING PLANS FOR EACH LOT BASED ON HOW THE LOTS ARE CONFIGURED AND WHERE THEY'RE FACING THOSE INDIVIDUAL.
THOSE FOUR SCENARIOS HAVE A PLANT PALLET THAT, UH, HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT WITH, UH, TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
UH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR HOW THAT BUILDING IS ORIENTED.
UM, IT'S A MIX OF TREES, SHRUBS, GROUND COVER.
UM, AND THEN BEYOND THAT, UH, WE ALSO ESTABLISHED, UH, I THINK EIGHT DIFFERENT SPECIES OF STREET TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED THROUGHOUT THE ROADWAYS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE ALSO MOVED SOME OF THOSE STREET TREES OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ONTO INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO HELP WITH MAINTENANCE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.
AS FAR AS VEGETATION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE LOOKED AT THE FOUR TYPICAL PLANTING PLANS ON EACH LOTS DIVIDED THOSE BY HOW MANY THERE WERE AS FAR AS THE CONFIGURATION ESTABLISHED, THE REPLACEMENT VALUE OF THAT PALLET.
AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF STREET TREES AND ESTABLISHED THAT AS ESSENTIALLY THE HUNDRED 14TH LOT ESSENTIALLY.
SO BASED ON THOSE REPLACEMENT VALUES, UM, WE FAR EXCEED THE WATER UPTAKE AND CARBON, UM, SEQUESTRATION, UM, REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS AT 90% OF THE REPLACEMENT VALUE.
SO, UH, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN I THINK IS, IS GOING TO BE VERY NICE.
IT'S GONNA BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA HAVE INDIVIDUAL ATTENTION TO EACH LOT BASED ON A SELECTED PALLET AND MINIMUM QUANTITIES AND SPECIES THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL BE ESTABLISHED.
DO YOU HAVE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE THE, UH, YES.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN SOMETHING IN THE FINDINGS
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WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE ON EVERY ROAD THAT ON ONE SIDE OF EVERY ROAD, UH, ON ONE SIDE.THE, THE ONE THING I TELL YOU, WE, WE JUST HAVE APPROVED A, A SORT OF NOWHERE NEAR THE SIZE, BUT THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB WITH STREET TREES IN THERE RIGHT AWAY.
I THINK IT REALLY ADDS TO THE AESTHETICS, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A NEW DEVELOPMENT IF YOU DO THAT.
I, I, I REALLY LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY OF GETTING SOME GREEN CANOPY ALONG, PARTICULARLY AS YOU COMING IN, INTO THE, INTO THE PLACE.
I THINK IT, IT COULD LOOK VERY GOOD.
STATICALLY PLUS ON THE SIDE WHERE THE SIDEWALKS GIVES SOME SHADE TO THE PEOPLE WALKING ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALKS TOO, AND THE KIDS PLAYING, PLAYING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, BIKES.
I ASSUME THE STREET TREES WILL BE MAINTAIN BY THE H O A.
UH, IF THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THESE ARE GONNA BE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT WOULD BE TOWN OH, BE TOWN.
SO THAT'S WHY JAMES HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THAT HE WOULD OKAY.
I, IN ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE MAINTENANCE, THAT'S WHAT SOMETHING DISCUSSED.
BUT MR. TREE OFFICER, I WOULD LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, AND, UM, BUT I WOULD LOOK AT THE, I WOULD LOOK AT THE, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, AND LOOK FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW, I'D LIKE THIS.
WE'RE BUILDING 113 HOUSES HERE.
I'D LIKE THIS NOT TO LOOK LIKE IT'S A BRAND NEW, JUST A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE A LOT OF THESE, THESE FACILITIES.
LET'S MAKE THIS LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN GETTING MAYBE A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS TOGETHER TO KIND OF SEE YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE STREETS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE THESE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, AND FIRST OF ALL THEY CLEAR CUT THEM AND THEN PUT UP THESE LITTLE TREES.
WE'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE PLACE.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DOING THAT.
I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO BE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING HERE.
UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY 'CAUSE OF THE FAIRWAYS, WHICH I WAS NEVER ON THE FAIRWAYS IF I WAS GONNA BE GOLFING AND BE IN THE TREES.
BUT, UM, SERIOUSLY, I, IF THERE'S A WAY OF MAKING THIS LOOK LIKE A MORE MATURE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY PLEASING.
AND ALSO GIVE SHADE TO PEOPLE WHO WILL BE WALKING, WHO WILL BE WALKING THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, AS IT GETS HOTTER.
HAVING THAT SHADE ON THE SIDEWALKS CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU TALK TO THE TOWN ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE ON, ON THOSE TREES.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YEAH.
WERE YOU FOLLOWING UP ON THIS? YEAH, I'M FOLLOWING ON.
SO IN THE PLANS, AND AS YOU, IN YOUR DISCUSSION, YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL, UM, LANDSCAPING PLAN PER LOT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT FACINGS AND EVERYTHING.
SO MY QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING FOR AARON OR FOR YOU GUYS, IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S ON THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, AS A TYPICAL FOR EVERYTHING GETS, UM, EXECUTED, GET, THANK YOU.
IT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR GETS EXECUTED WHEN WE GO LOT BY LOT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A PLAN FOR IT 'CAUSE WE ALREADY TALKED, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE MEMORIALIZING THE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THE APPROVALS.
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, GOING LOT BY LOT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, SO I'LL ANSWER PART OF MY OWN QUESTION.
YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE ENTIRE NEED FOR THE OVERALL PROPERTY AND KIND OF ALLOCATE PER LOT WHAT THEY NEED TO MEET.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME IN FOR APPROVAL, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE LEVELS OF THE MINIMUM LEVELS OF THE MINIMUM LEVELS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED.
THEY COULD MOVE, THEY COULD DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY NEED TO MEET THOSE LEVELS.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE NUANCES TO IT.
IT'S GONNA BE CUSTOM FOR EACH LOT AND WHATEVER MAKES SENSE TO WELL, COULD YOU, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE IDEA OF, UH, A NEW DEVELOPMENT LOOKING LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A WELL ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT BY MOVING INTO WINDING RIDGE.
IT LOOKED LIKE A WELL ESTABLISHED, YOU HAD BIG TREES AND EVERYTHING.
SEVEN YEARS LATER WE CAME TO AARON FOR PERMISSION TO CUT DOWN SOME OF THE TREES BECAUSE IT WAS OVERGROWN.
YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW MANY TREES YOU PUT IN.
I JUST SAID THE SPACING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS, YOU KNOW, INSTANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A WALL OF EVERGREEN AND THEN THEY, AND THEN THEY SPREAD, RIGHT.
AND AT THE TIME OF PLANTING IT LOOKS LIKE A WALL AND THEN 10 YEARS LATER YOU'RE TAKING OUT EVERY THIRD ONE.
BECAUSE I CONSIDER THAT FROM SARAH POINT OF VIEW, BUT I, I DON'T WANT I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY PERSONALLY.
AND I DO, AND I, I DO THINK SHADE ALONG SIDEWALKS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING COULD BE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, AND EVEN IN CASES, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH US IN OUR OFFICE, UH, QUITE A BIT ON THIS.
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UM, THERE ARE TREES JUST PULLED IN OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY ONTO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'RE STILL IN THE FRONT YARD AND GONNA PROVIDE THE SHADE AND BENEFITS.THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOKED AT.
IF THEY STAY THERE AND IF THEY STAY THERE, THERE, THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.
JUST AN EXAMPLE, THE MAIN DRIVEWAY FOR THE FACILITY OR FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM CAPITAL SENIOR HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU DRIVE IN AND THERE'S NO HOUSES ON, ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT ROADWAY FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE POND, THE EXISTING POND ON THE LEFT MM-HMM.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE STREET TREES PROPOSED AS YOU DRIVE IN.
SO YOU KIND OF HAVE THIS BOULEVARD ENTRANCE FIELD BEFORE YOU GET INTO, UH, THE LOTS QUESTION.
LESLIE, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THE TREES, THE MORE MATURE TREES, UM, IN TERMS OF C O TWO EFFECTS OR, OR CARBON EFFECTS.
BUT THE OTHER PART WITH THE SHADING THE OTHER SIDE IS IF A FAMILY DECIDES THEY WANT TO DO SOLAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST DEPENDING ON WHERE THOSE TREES ARE, WHERE THOSE TREES ARE PLACED, YEAH.
MIGHT REDUCE THEIR ABILITY TO GET A LOT OF SUN ON THEIR ROOF.
SO AS YOU DID, AS YOU DID SAY, THERE'S A BALANCE TO IT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LANDSCAPING BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM ANYBODY? OH, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH THE SURE.
ON, ON THE SOLAR, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU INDICATE THAT'S NOT A, A UPFRONT DESIGN PACKAGE IN YOUR HOMES, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO IS TO MAKE THESE HOMES SOLAR ACCESSIBLE BY JUST RUNNING A CONDUIT FROM THIS, UH, FROM THE, THE ROOF DOWN TO YOUR, UH, UH, PANEL.
SO IF ONE WANTS TO PUT UP SOLAR IN THE FUTURE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO START RIPPING OUT WALLS.
THEY JUST DROP A LINE THROUGH THE CONDUIT THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT I THINK WALTER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DESIGN OR BUILD ANY OF THIS.
NO, NO, BUT I'M SAYING HOW DO YOU GONNA PUT IT INTO THE NO, NO.
THIS, HIS FIRST QUESTION'S A VERY GOOD ONE BECAUSE THE IDEA HERE IS FOR THE CURRENT APPLICANT TO FLIP THE PROPERTY AND SOMEBODY ELSE DEVELOP IT.
BUT ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN HERE WILL BE, UH, REQUIRED FOR WHOEVER THE DEVELOPER IS.
SO IF IT'S A REQUIREMENT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT AND IT'S GONNA BE THE TOWN'S JOB TO, TO HOLD 'EM TO, TO WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO.
CAN YOU JUST, I I WOULD, I THINK WALTER'S COMMENT IS A GREAT ONE, BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF I HEARD IT CORRECTLY IS THAT COULD BE AN OPTION FOR ANYBODY AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THE HOUSE.
IS EVEN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT IN SOLAR, THEY COULD MAKE AN OPTION THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT, THAT CONDUIT PUT IN.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE TOWN HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MANDATE THAT 113 HOUSES HAVE THAT CONDUIT.
BUT LET, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN.
I COULD TELL YOU AS A BOARD, I'LL SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY HERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE ENERGY ON THIS PROPERTY.
YOU MAY HAVE TAKEN TWO OR THREE LOTS AWAY FROM YOU, BUT YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT.
UM, AND WE'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED.
WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE IN ALL OF OUR PROJECTS NOW, ENCOURAGING, OKAY.
AT A MINIMUM CAPABILITY TO DO THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING REQUIRED MM-HMM.
IF, AND IN A LOT OF CASES WE'VE BEEN GETTING IT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE GETTING SOLAR ON TOP OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WE ALSO HAVE A COMMITTEE, UH, WITH TWO PEOPLE HERE ON OUR BOARD, UH, WHO HAD THAT COMMITTEE NOW ON A ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.
AND WE WILL BE PASSING, I WOULD HOPE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR LEGISLATION THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THINGS LIKE THIS.
THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANOTHER PROJECT LIKE THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW HOW, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO HERE VERSUS WHAT HAPPENED.
THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, IF IT'S NOT, I, I DON'T THINK WHAT WALTER'S ASKING FOR WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING UP A HOUSE, IT'S A CONDUIT.
YOU PUT IN THIS LOOK, I WOULD LOVE, I I I HOPE THAT, THAT THIS SITE WILL BE AS, UM, SUSTAINABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENT AS YOU ALL WANT IT TO BE.
AND, AND I HOPE THAT THE ULTIMATE BUILDER, WHETHER IT'S OUR CLIENT OR SOMEONE ELSE WILL FULFILL THAT.
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GONNA SAY IS I HOPE THAT THE SENTIMENT Q THAT YOU ARE COMMUNICATING TO OUR TEAM AND MY CLIENT TONIGHT PERMEATES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING.
UM, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, AND JONATHAN, I'M GONNA CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY.
UM, I THINK, THINK RIDGEWOOD WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO KNOW THAT ELLENWOOD OR EVERYONE AT THE TOWN WAS TRYING TO WORK, UM, AS COOPERATIVELY AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT.
I KNOW MY CLIENT WANTS TO GET PAST THAT.
UM, I'M GONNA REMIND YOU AGAIN, THE MINUTE JONATHAN WAS ASKED TO OPEN UP HIS BUILDINGS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE MINUTE BRETT WAS ASKED TO DO DEMOLITION, WE JUMPED AND WE DID IT.
AND AGAIN, CAREFULLY RESPONDING.
NOT EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN SEEMS TO BE QUITE AS RECEPTIVE TO OUR ATTEMPTS AT COOPERATION.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG, ARDUOUS PROCESS.
I, YOU CAN NOD 'CAUSE I CAN SEE YOU.
I CAN'T SEE, SEE JONATHAN FROM HERE.
IT'S BEEN A LONG, ARDUOUS PROCESS FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND, AND FOR THE DEVELOPER.
WE, FOR YOU GUYS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE, WE AS A BOARD ARE TRYING TO THINK FORWARD TO WHAT WE GET IT, WHAT, WHAT THE DEMANDS ARE GOING TO BE.
JUST GO LOOK AT WHAT GOVERNOR HOLLE IS PROPOSING AND TELL ME WHERE THE ELECTRICITY IS GONNA COME FROM.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, AND NEITHER IS SHE AND NEITHER DOES PRESIDENT BIDEN RIGHT NOW.
WE ALL KNOW WE WANT TO GO THERE, BUT IF WE DON'T START TAKING AGGRESSIVE APPROACHES TO BUILDING ALTERNATE ENERGY, WE'RE GONNA PLUG, YOU'RE GONNA PLUG IN YOUR TESLA AT NIGHT AND, AND BLOW UP YOUR AIR CONDITIONER.
GOT, IT'S NOT TARGETED JUST AT YOU.
WE'RE DOING THIS WITH EVERYBODY.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD THAT, JUST ASK.
SOMEHOW PREWIRED GET 113 CONDUITS.
YOU ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT WALTER WAS SPEAKING.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OPTIONAL WOULD BE TO PUT THAT OUTLET IN THE GARAGE FOR THAT TESLA.
EVERY HOME, MR. SCHWARTZ AND MONA, EVERY HOME.
IS EV READY AT THIS POINT? THAT THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD.
IT IS A, IT IS A DRYER PLUG THAT'S THERE.
EVERY ONE OF OUR HOMES HAS THE ABILITY TO ADD SOLAR.
WE'RE DOING IT IN OUR PROJECT IN PHILADELPHIA, OUTSIDE PHILADELPHIA.
IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, IF THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO PUT UP SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF, IT'S THE NEW, UH, A AS BRETT WOULD SAY, IT'S THE NEW SATELLITE DISH.
COULD YOU, SATELLITE, COULD YOU, COULD YOU, UH, IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? WE, WE NEED TO.
JONATHAN REBO, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO EVERY MONA, EVERY PROJECT.
I MEAN, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS BUILDING TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, YOU HAD TO ASK FOR THOSE THINGS.
NOW IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION THAT'S, YEAH.
WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING AN EXTRAORDINARILY LARGE PROJECT IN NORTHERN NEW JERSEY.
YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAY AHEAD OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
THERE IS AN EV REQUIREMENT, THERE IS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT.
THEY, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS VERY, VERY STANDARD.
UM, THEY'RE EV READY, THEY'RE EV AVAILABLE.
BUT, BUT FRANKLY, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PROJECT A VERY LONG TIME.
WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW YOUR CODE, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW YOUR DRAINAGE, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE THINGS AVAILABLE.
AS DAVID SAID, YOU KNOW, TREAT US LIKE YOU'RE TREATING EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND I KNOW MR. SCHWARTZ, YOU, YOU DO THAT AND, UH, AND, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, I KNOW THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT WE TALK ABOUT NOW.
UM, I, WE GOT FURTHER TONIGHT THAN I THOUGHT WE WOULD, FRANKLY.
UM, I WAS PREPARED TO ADJOURN THIS FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD, OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, AARON AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK WE CAN PROCEED TO PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT DRAINAGE, I THINK THEY DID A, UH, EXCELLENT JOB IN ADDRESSING THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS MY BIG ME TOO CONCERN.
SO, UH, WITH THAT SATISFACTORY, UH, ADDRESS, I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MOVING ON TO, UH, UP HERE, AARON.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT, WE KNOW THAT THIS SUBMISSION THAT CAME IN WAS A PARTIAL RESUBMISSION IN RESPONSE TO PRIMARILY COMMENTS THAT CAME UP AT THIS PRIOR BOARD MEETING.
AND IN COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF, THERE ARE OTHER RESPONSES FORTHCOMING, SPECIFICALLY, I THINK CATERED
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TO THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT LABA MM-HMM.I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE TEAM'S TIMING OF THOSE RESPONSES IS AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IDEALLY IN AND REVIEWED PRIOR TO HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IF IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING YOUR TIMELINE IS IMPORTANT.
SO MOST OF THOSE, UH, COMMENTS WERE SWIFT RELATED.
SO THEY WERE STORMWATER RELATED.
UH, NOW THAT THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BALANCE OF THE COMMENTS FAIRLY QUICKLY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION, AARON? UM, WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING OPEN THAT SUBSTANTIVE THAT WILL SIGNIFICANT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE A PRESENTATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ESPECIALLY AGAIN, JUST ADDING TO THAT AARON.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC ARE GONNA COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE MATHEMATICS BEHIND THE SWIP ANALYSIS? RIGHT.
AND THE CUT AND FILL FIGURES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UNLIKELY THAT THERE'S SUBSTANTIVE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE RESPONSES IN BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT'S GONNA ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I, BUT IF IT'S WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PRE-SCHEDULE SOMETHING
WE CAN STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE HAVE TO.
WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO YOUR, YOUR DATE TO WHAT? THE THIRD AND THE 17TH.
SO LET'S, LET'S SCHEDULE IT FOR THE THIRD.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, THERE'LL BE THE RESPONSE OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS? SO CHARLIE SURELY BELIEVES IT BY THE THIRD.
SAY AGAIN? I SAID HE SURELY BELIEVES THEY'LL HAVE, THEY'LL HAVE IT VERY QUICKLY, VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I STILL DON'T SEE IT.
IF YOU'RE, IF THE BOARD'S OKAY WITH OPENING THE HEARING.
I THINK WE'RE A TECHNICAL THING.
WE CAN ARGUE, CONTINUE ADJOURN IT.
OR DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING IN BY THE THIRD? YES.
AND THE KEYWORD WAS SOMETHING YOU WANNA AMEND YOUR QUESTION.
WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO GET YOU AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WE'D LIKE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE CONDUCTED ON THE THIRD.
WE GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE THIRD, KNOWING THAT WE MIGHT BE BACK ON THE 17TH IF WE ONLY GOT SOMETHING AND NOT A LOT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO FOR THAT.
WE'LL JUST SCHEDULE, SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE MAY 3RD THEN.
WE'LL GO OFFLINE ON, ON NOTICE, ET CETERA.
JONATHAN, YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY.
YOU HAVE A GOOD, GOOD SEE YOU GUYS.
SOME KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASSOCIATION.
YOU KNOW, WE PUT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CHUCK, FEEL FREE TO COME UP WHEN IT'S APPROVED.
BUT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT WORKS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SHOULD WALTER? YEAH, I JUST WANT, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE, UH, LIBERTY.
BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT.
UH, THE FIRST PROJECT OF THIS TYPE IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT REALLY SHOULD MAKE HYPE IT.
SO IF YOU RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE ASKED TO
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NOT HYPE UNTIL AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING.SO WHEN I GET IN MY CAR, I'M GONNA PROBABLY HAVE PHONE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES ABOUT THE PRESS RELEASES THAT THEY WANT.
WHEN I ENDED AND SAID, I HOPE WE ARE ALL TOGETHER YEAH.
AT THE GROUNDBREAKING OR THE RIBBON CUTTING BECAUSE THANK YOU.
AND, AND, AND I THANKED THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WERE HERE.
THIS, THIS WENT VERY EFFICIENTLY.
WELL, BECAUSE IT WAS GREAT TECHNOLOGY, WALTER.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE POSSIBLE WE ALWAYS, WHERE POSSIBLE.
WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE MENTION OF GREENBURG IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IN THE TOWN OF COCA-COLA IN TOWN.
I ACTUALLY HEARD, HEARD THERE'S A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AT VOLVO.
MON LESLIE HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT.
OH, I BROUGHT A VERY EXCITING PROJECT BEFORE YOU THE BEST FOR LAST THREE MINUTES.
UM, LET ME ANNOUNCE THE PROJECT FIRST.
NO, 23 20 0 9 H V A REALTY FOR NO, I WAS LOOKING RIGHT HERE.
IS THIS CASE NUMBER PB 2222? I DIDN'T LOOK UP.
WELL YOU GOT IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
THEY BEHAVE IN FOCUS 4 99 5 AND 5 35.
OLD TOWN ROAD, WHITE PLAINS PO.
IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'D HEARD BEFORE.
SO CHUCK, GIVE US A FIVE MINUTES TO ASSIST TO REFRESH OUR MEMORY AS TO WHAT IT WAS.
PLEASE, YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT HOW FAST I CAN DO THIS.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE WITH THE FIRM OF LANG ENGINEERING.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO APPLICANTS.
'CAUSE THIS IS BASICALLY A LAND SWAP.
THIS IS BETWEEN THE VOLVO DEALERSHIP AND THE ADJACENT NORTH CASTLE SUPPLY.
THIS APPLICATION WAS BEFORE THIS BOARD IN 2018.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE, THEN YOU'LL RECALL THERE'S SOME PARKING AND A RETAINING WALL THAT EXTENDS ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S VOLVO'S PARKING, IT GOES OUT TO THE ADJACENT LOT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO SQUARE THAT AWAY.
THIS WAS PART OF A BIGGER EFFORT THAT THE VOLVO WAS GONNA UNDERTAKE THAT THEY DECIDED NOT TO, BUT THEY WANT TO PERFECT THE LAND SWAP.
WE GOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE HAD THE PLATT READY TO RECORD.
AND AS WE USUALLY WARN, OUR, OUR, OUR CLIENTS NEVER LET A PLATT THAT'S GOT THAT FAR NOT GET EXECUTED.
THEY LET IT SIT ON THE SHELF, IT EXPIRED.
SO WE ARE BACK BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO REDO THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, WHICH IS A, UH, AN EQUAL LAND SWAP.
THEY GET 2,642 SQUARE FEET AND WE GIVE THEM 6,000, UH, 2,642 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE REPRESENTED AS THESE TWO LITTLE SLIVERS ON THE PLAN.
AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO THIS APPLICATION.
UM, WE'VE HAD IT BACK BEFORE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THEY'VE SIGNED OFF ON THE PLATT.
SO YES, AMAZINGLY GOOD FOR CONGRATULATIONS.
UH, THEY, THEY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THIS HAD BEEN DONE ONCE ALREADY AND THEY TOOK IT AS A MODIFICATION TO AN APPROVED PLAN.
WE, WE WEREN'T QUITE SO LUCKY TO CONVINCE AARON THAT WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE TOWN, BUT AARON'S TOUGH, UNDERSTANDABLY.
SO WE'RE, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
IS THIS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE 2018? EXACTLY.
THERE'S ONE DIFFERENCE, ONE SMALL DIFFERENCE.
SO THERE'S A SEWER LINE THAT COMES FROM THE SUPPLY COMPANY ACROSS TO THE VOLVO PROPERTY AND THEY PUT AN EASEMENT ON IT TO PROTECT EACH OTHER'S INTEREST.
I THINK THIS IS ALL BEING DONE WITH LIGHT BEAVERS BEING GOOD TO EACH OTHER.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? THE LAND SWAP IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
ANY OTHER, JUST THE EASEMENT IS ADDED.
THEN LET'S SET THIS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAY 3RD.
SORRY YOU HAD TO LISTEN TO US ALL FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
I'VE BEEN IN THEIR POSITION AND GONE FIRST AND I APPRECIATE IT.
WE'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS AND THE SIGN TOMORROW.
LESLIE AND MONA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
JOHAN, YOU CAN'T GO ANYWHERE YET.
I DID WANNA MENTION TO LESLIE, OH, SORRY.
DON'T, I'M JUST RELAYING TO LESLIE AND MONA THAT THE FINAL CASE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD US AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
BUT THE, UM, GIA BROTHERS PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE IS POSTPONED TO OUR NEXT MEETING AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, THIS, UH, HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
OH, SO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE.
MOST IMPORTANT THING I YOU CAME TO NO, NO.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART I DID NOT MISS.
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THAT'S IT.WAITED FOR YOU FEW SCHWARTZ, ALL OF RESPECT GOES TO HIM.
AND THE REST OF THE MEMBERS, THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO THESE ITEMS UNTIL MR. SIMON SHOWS UP.
HOW'S YOUR CAR? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
SO THAT'S NEWS TO ME THAT DELAYING IT AND STILL RELEASING IT.
AND I HADN'T HEARD THAT UNTIL TONIGHT.
THIS IS, IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION FOR A DOG.
AFTER THAT, I SWEAR I WILL NEVER SWEAR.