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EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, May 17, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
WELCOME TO THE MAY 17TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING TOWN OF GREENBERG.UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLES.
MS. F*G WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
MS. DAVIS AND MR. GOLDEN ARE NOT PRESENT.
WE BELIEVE MR. SIMON'S ON HIS WAY, RIGHT? CURRENTLY.
MR. SIMON IS NOT PRESENT, BUT WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.
ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM ANYBODY? YES, MA'AM.
SEND IT OUT IN WORD BLAME PATTY.
WE HAVE A TYPO UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
UM, AND IT IS IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AND THE WORD THE PROJECT REQUIRES THE WORD REQUIRES R Q E.
WHERE ARE YOU? YOU RIGHT ON PAGE.
NO, IT, IT'S IN THE FINAL AGENDA.
AGAIN, I WILL ASK THE QUESTION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO, I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? NO, THAT'S DONE.
WE HAVE THREE PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE TONIGHT.
MS. GABRIEL IS, UH, MR. SENIOR HERE? YEAH.
DO WE WANT TO DO SO ELSE? UH, I'D RATHER GET 'EM OUT OF THE WAY.
THE FIRST, THE FIRST EXTENSIONS PB 1625.
THIS HAS GOTTA BE A RECORD SE SEVENTH EXTENSION REQUEST FOR THE RO SUBDIVISION.
UM, MR. SENIOR, COULD YOU TELL US EXACTLY WHY THIS IS, HE'S NOT HERE.
HE'S ON WHO'S ON ZOOM? WE HAVE, UM, OH YEAH, THERE'S STEVE ANDERSON, STEVE ANDERSON FROM GABRIEL.
I'M THE, ARE YOU SURE? UM, IT'S USUALLY, HEY, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DELAY IS, UH, WE'RE COMING OFF OF A SIX INCH MAINE AND WE'RE GOING TO AN EIGHT INCH MAINE THAT'S RATHER LONG.
SO I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SIT DOWN WITH THE NEW ENGINEER 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING THE LETTER OF WILLING TO SERVE.
SO HOPEFULLY WE GET ALL THIS AND WE CAN GET ROLLING ON IT.
SEVEN, SEVEN IS HOW LONG NOW? SINCE THE FIRST ONE.
THIS, THIS DATES BACK TILL WHEN? 2016? NO, THE CASE IS FROM 2016.
BUT, UM, WHERE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE WAITED UNTIL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS? DID ELLIOT HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, WE CAN'T GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL AS STEVE HAD JUST STATED, UNTIL WE GET THE WILLS SERVE LETTER FROM THE TOWN.
AND BECAUSE THE TOWN KEEPS ON CHANGING ENGINEERS, THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S GOTTA TALK TO THE TOWN ENGINEER AND GIVE US A WILLS SERVE LETTER.
IT, IT STILL SEEMS LIKE AN INORDINATE LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO ME, BUT I'LL SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD BOARD THINKS.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? I, NO.
I, SO WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS, YEAH, I WANT SORT OF KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S A SUM ITSELF.
PREVIOUS EXTENSION WAS THE SAME REASON, OR WAS THAT, UH, WAS A DIFFERENT, UH, SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT ARE SORT OF, UH, EXPLAIN THE BACK BACKGROUND PLEASE.
THIS IS THE SUMMON EXTENSION, SIR.
PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SIMON, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND.
UH, ELLIOT, THAT MR. SIMON HAS EZ AS A VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
WALTER, WERE ON CORRESPONDENCE FOR DOING THE TEMPORARY SUBDIVISION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL AND WHAT'S HOLDING UP THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL AT THIS POINT IS THE TOWN WE NEED TO SUBMIT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
A A WILL SERVE LETTER THAT IS A LETTER, STANDARD LETTER FROM THE TOWN ENGINEERING AND, AND WATER DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS, UM, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE THESE HOUSES WITH SEWER AND WATER.
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SEWER IS NOT A PROBLEM.THE WATER, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THE WATER IS WE'RE GOING FROM A SIX INCH LINE IN THE STREET.
OH, YOU, YOU EXPLAINED THAT BEFORE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
OH, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WELL, THE QUESTION WA WE ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT.
THE QUESTION WAS WHY HAS IT TAKEN THAT LONG TO GET TO THIS? THIS IS THE SEVENTH.
THIS ISN'T LIKE, IT'S THE SECOND OR THIRD EXTENSION WHERE THAT'D BE AN UNDERSTANDABLE.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN, THIS WILL BE THE SEVENTH EXTENSION.
AND THE QUESTION IS, WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO EVEN GET THERE? I MEAN, I HEAR ABOUT THE ENGINEERS, BUT IT'S BEEN OVER TWO YEARS OF EXTENSIONS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE ASKED FOR LETTERS.
WE SUBMIT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE GO BACK TO THE TOWN TO, TO GET, GET THE FOLLOW UP ITEMS THAT WE NEED FROM THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, IT, IT IS A LONG TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAS GONE THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME CHANGES IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND EACH TIME THERE'S A CHANGE, WE'VE GOTTA START OVER AGAIN.
SO IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT ALL DUE TO THE TOWN.
NO, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT THE WHOLE ONUS ON THE TOWN, BUT THE TOWN IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, OUR OVERALL SITUATION.
DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UH, AARON, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UH, SHOULD THE BOARD CLOSER TO, SHOULD THE BOARD GO AHEAD WITH AN EXTENSION? OUR OFFICE WILL COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER AND THE TOWN'S WATER DEPARTMENT TO GET AN UPDATE TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE IN THE STATUS OF THEIR REVIEW, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO TRY AND USHER THIS FORWARD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SO EXTENSION IS FOR WHAT? FOR HOW LONG? HOW LONG IS THESE EXTENSION FOR? YEAH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY 90 DAYS.
WHAT IF WE 10 BE LONGER THOUGH, RIGHT? 10 BE LONGER.
NO, WHAT IF WE SAY THIS IS THE LAST ONE, WHAT WOULD THE REPERCUSSION, WE COULD SAY, THIS IS THE LAST ONE COME REPRESENT THE, THEY'D HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE PLAN.
DON'T ASK ELLIOT, HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT IT'S GONNA TAKE? I MEAN, THIS, THE, THE ENGINEER AND THE, UH, THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UM, SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE SITTING DOWN, UH, THIS WEEK.
UH, THAT, UH, TO GIVE US THE FINAL LETTER.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I THINK 90 DAYS IS GOOD, BUT, UH,
YOU KNOW, PART OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, COVID AS WELL.
SO WHATEVER IT TAKES AFTER THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO, TO SIGN OFF.
AND THEY'RE WALTER, NOT QUICK, I THINK.
ONE IS THE ISSUE WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING OF THE SEWER PIPE AND, AND VARIOUS CHANGES THAT WE HAD IN THE ENGINEERING PART, WHATEVER.
IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU EXPECT TO DO THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS, AND THEN THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IT WILL NOT BE DONE.
WHAT HE SAID, WHAT HE SAID, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS AT THE BEGINNING, THE WAITING FOR OUR WATER DEPARTMENT TO BLESS IT IN THIS COMING WEEK.
WHICH, THE QUESTION IS, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, IF THEY SUBMIT IT TO, TO WALTER'S POINT, IF THEY SUBMIT IT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, LET'S SAY A WEEK FROM NOW OR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF, OF NOT HIM NOT BEING BACK HERE FOR AN EXTENSION IN 90 DAYS? ALAN, GO AHEAD.
MY OPINION WOULD BE THAT, AND I THINK I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH AMANDA AS WELL, AS LONG AS I THINK IF THEY'RE TIMELY WITH THEIR SUBMISSION AND THEY SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE TOWN THAT ON SUCH AND SUCH A DATE, JUNE X, THEY SUBMITTED, WE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IT'S UNDER REVIEW.
AND IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD, GET COMMENTS BACK OR A LETTER BACK ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL MATERIAL, AS LONG AS THEY'RE KEEPING US UP TO SPEED.
WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THAT, OKAY, TO, LET'S DO, LET'S THINK ABOUT A COMPROMISE HERE.
BASED ON WHAT TOM WAS SAYING THEN WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE DATE BY WHICH THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THE, UH, THE PAPERWORK TO THE, TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? JUNE 1ST, JUNE 8TH.
SO THEY MUST TO, TO GET TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION, THEY MUST SUBMIT IT TO THE WATER DEPAR, UH, TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THE, THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER 30 DAYS FROM TODAY IS.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? TODAY IS THE 17TH.
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WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK, UH, THAT WE HAVE TIME AFTER THE TOWN SUPPLIES US THE LETTER.BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT GETTING, UH, 30 DAYS THE LETTER FROM THE TOWN.
BUT IF WE DON'T GET THE TOWN OF THE LETTER FROM THE, FROM THE ENGINEER AND THE WILL SERVE LETTER, WE, WE CAN'T SUBMIT.
SO ELLIOT, WE'RE GIVING YOU 30 DAY, THE, THE PROPOSAL IS TO GIVE YOU 30 DAYS.
YOU HOLD ON, LEMME FINISH AND THEN I'LL GET TO YOU, JOHAN.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO GIVE YOU 30 DAYS FROM TODAY TO ESSENTIALLY GET THAT LETTER AND GET THE PACKAGE TO THE HEALTH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR ELSE IF, IF, IF THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, THERE IS NO WAY IN HECK GIVING YOU A 90 DAY EXTENSION'S GONNA MEAN ANYTHING TO US.
WE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OTHER APPLICANTS GET DELAYED BECAUSE OF THEIR HEALTH DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR ALONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IT'LL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME.
WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO SEE THEM AGAIN AFTER THAT.
THEY GET WHAT THEY NEED AND WE MOVE FORWARD RATHER THAN GIVING OURSELVES ADDITIONAL WORK.
BUT THE ISSUE IS WHAT I SAID ORIGINALLY, WE ROUTINELY GIVE EXTENSIONS WHEN, WHEN APPLICANTS CAN LEGITIMATELY SAY, I SUBMITTED ALL THE PAPERWORK, I'M WAITING FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
IT'S TOTALLY OUT OF THEIR CONTROL AT THAT POINT.
SO, UH, AND WE ROUTINELY, UH, UH, DO THAT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE PAPERWORK HASN'T EVEN BEEN GET SUBMITTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WELL, THAT'S, SO IT'S NOT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR YEAH, IT'S PARTIALLY THE, WELL, IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED OUT.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU 30 DAYS TO SUBMIT THE PAPERWORK, AND THEN AFTER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, IF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES NOT APPROVE IT, WE'LL GIVE THE CUSTOMARY EXTENSION.
BUT WE WANT YOU TO SUBMIT THE PAYMENT.
I, NO, I, I THINK WHAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I HEAR WHAT JOHANN'S SAYING IS WHY FOR ADDITIONAL COUPLE MONTHS, WHY, WHY PUT US THROUGH ALL THAT GARBAGE? JUST GIVE 'EM 180 DAYS.
BUT THEY NEED TO REPORT BACK TO, TO, TO AARON ONCE A MONTH AS TO WHAT THE PRO PROGRESS IS, ELLIOT.
YEAH, WE'LL GIVE 'EM 180 DAYS ONCE.
BUT THEY NEED TO BE REPORT THEIR PROGRESS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO AGREE 180 DAYS TO THAT HUNDRED 80 DAYS? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE THING? YES.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION THEN TO EXTEND IT FOR 180 DAYS AS A LAST AND FINAL EXTENSION PROVIDED THAT THEY GIVE EMERIN AN A, AN UPDATE ON A MONTHLY BASIS? SO SECOND.
UH, T AND, AND MONA, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THIS ONE IS, OH, THIS ONE'S EASY.
THE FOURTH ONE,
THEY'RE SEPTIC OUT THERE, AND THAT ADDS, UH, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING SOIL TESTING.
UM, SO THEY'VE BEEN COORDINATING THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS SET FORTH WITH, UH, SEPTIC COMPANY AND EXCAVATORS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO DO SOME, SOME SAMPLING AND TEST BITS AND WHATNOT.
AND AARON, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THE RULES FOR SEPTIC, THE REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE INVOLVED AND ONEROUS.
UH, AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, SO IS THAT PART OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REVIEW AT THIS POINT? YES.
AND WHERE IS THE STATUS OF THE, OF THESE SOIL TESTING? IS IT DONE? NO, THEY HAVE ELLIOT, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
SO, SO WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, WHAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS HERE, WE HAD THIS, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COME OUT, THEY WITNESSED THE SOIL TESTING FOR THE NEW, FOR THE NEW LOT.
THEY THEN AFTER WE SUBMITTED ALL THAT, THEY SAID, OH, WELL YOU HAVE TO, UH, SHOW US WHERE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS FOR THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, UM, AND CERTIFY IT AND OR DO SOIL TESTING ON THE, ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
NOW THAT EXISTING HOUSE WAS THE 17 HUNDREDS HOUSE,
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BUT WE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING BASED ON THAT.SO WE HAVE TO NOW GO AHEAD AND, AND BASICALLY DESIGN A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DONE IN 90 DAYS EITHER, WHICH THREW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO OUR APPROVALS ZONE.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DONE IN 90 DAYS EITHER? PROBABLY NOT.
SO WHY DON'T WE EXTEND THIS ONE FOR, FOR A HUNDRED I'D MONTH.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND IT FOR 180 DAYS? SO MOVED WITH WALTER SECOND IS CORRECT? YES.
I WAS GONNA SAY WITH THE MONTHLY UPDATES, SINCE IT'S ALL BE ALSO WITH A MONTHLY UPDATE TO AARON, SARAH DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO, DO DURING THE DAY AS IT IS
I'LL OPPOSED? I DIDN'T HEAR AARON SECOND.
IT CARRIES MONTHLY UPDATES TO MATT.
JUST SET OUR CALENDAR REMINDER TO SEND IN MONTHLY UPDATES TO C, D, AND C.
THIS ONE I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
AND THIS OF COURSE IS THEY HAVE SUBMITTED IT SOUNDS LIKE.
IS, UH, MR. ALDI ON, ON THE, ON ZOOM OR NO? NO, WE DIDN'T ASK HIM TO APPEAR.
SO THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE WAITING FOR AN ANSWER.
I'D RECOMMEND A 90 DAY EXTENSION ON THIS ONE 90 DAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? WALTER, CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
SHOW THE TIME, JUST EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID IN 20 MINUTES.
WHAT IS A CUSTOMER? THANK YOU.
I JUST SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? SO, UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? COR ASKED A GOOD QUESTION, GUYS.
I HAVE NO CONCENTRATION OR PATIENCE TONIGHT.
SO, COR WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? I ASKED, UH, AARON AND AARON WAS ABOUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, UH, WHAT IS THE CUSTOMARY TIME PERIOD FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REVIEW SLASH SIGNATURE? IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT PRE COVID, IT HAD BEEN ABOUT SIX WEEKS, AND NOW IT'S MORE LIKE THREE MONTHS.
WELL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
AND IT GOES TO, UH, WE, AS WE GO INTO, TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ON, UH, ON CHOW MM-HMM.
NO, I'M SAYING CAN WE EXTEND IT BOB, BOB, I MEAN, WELL, THE STATUTE GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT AS FAR AS EXTENSIONS, IT'S UP TO YOUR NO.
SO WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE A HUNDRED DAYS.
AND LET ME JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD AND FINISH MY THOUGHT ON SURE.
DEFINITELY, UM, DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT THAT DOES PLAY INTO IT.
I THINK THE CHOW PROJECT IS RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SO, WELL WE HAVE HAD, WE'VE HAD A BACKLOG WITH ALMOST EVERY PROJECT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAH.
THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN THAT WE'LL SEE IN A LITTLE WHILE.
IT'S, AND I, THAT IT'S NOT ONLY ASSESSMENT, EVERY AGENCY HAS SO MUCH BACKLOG.
BUT EVEN IF YOU WANT TO GET A PASSPORT TO GO
OKAY, LETS, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.
SO, SO WE SHOULD NOT REALLY WASTE THEIR TIME AND OVERTIME YOU DON'T HAVE IN 80 DAYS.
WELL, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, AND WE'VE BEGUN TO DO THAT WITH THESE LAST COUPLE OF EXTENSIONS.
STAFF WILL BE REQUESTING, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION, UPDATES AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE DATES OF SUBMISSION.
WHEN ANYONE COMES BACK FOR AN EXTENSION, WE'RE GONNA WANT SEE IF WE FIND OUT THAT, THAT ONE OF THESE WASN'T, WASN'T, THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DURING THE LIFE OF THE EXTENSION OR TWO DAYS BEFORE THE EXTENSION, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANOTHER EXTENSION PERIOD.
SO LET, LET'S MOVE ON TO CLARIFY THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL 180 DAYS, BUT THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO GRANT EXTENSION, PRELIMINARY SUB ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR ANY AMOUNT.
THE EXTENSION CAN BE FOR ANY CORRECT.
WHICH MAKES, MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL, BUT OKAY.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM FINAL PLATS.
UM, CASE PLANNING BOARD 2210 CHOW.
THIS IS FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WE ARE HERE TO, UH, DIS DISCUSS THE APPROVAL OF THE THREE OF THOSE THIS EVENING.
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ONE, OH, THIS THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.WE'LL CARRY THOSE ON THE OTHER.
SO I'LL, THE, THE HEADER LISTS EVERYTHING INVOLVED.
SO IT, IT SAYS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION TONIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? UNLESS, NO, THERE REALLY ARE NOT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION FOR THIS PROJECT? SO MOVED.
POST NOBODY, UH, IT, IT CARRIES IT TO PROOF.
WE'LL LOOK TO GET THAT OUT EITHER TOMORROW OR FRIDAY.
THIS ONE, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
UH, GENERALLY, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, THEN THEY GO BACK AND DO ALL SORTS OF STUFF, AND THEN WE DO FINAL.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND JUST GOT ABANDONED FOR A WHILE.
I SHOULDN'T CALL THE PROJECT FOR, FOR US, WHICH IS PB 2309, WHICH IS H V A REALTY 4 99 AND 5 35 OLD HARRY TOWN ROAD, PO EIGHT PLAINS.
IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION IN A FINAL SUBDIVISION.
REASON IS, THIS IS JUST A LAND SWAP.
THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I SEE NO REASON WHY WE SHOULD DELAY THIS ANY FURTHER, WHICH IS WHY, AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND WE HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IT.
SO, AND WHAT I WOULD DO AT THIS POINT, DO WE, HAVE WE DONE SEEK ON THIS? WE HAVE.
THEN COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
SO, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
ARE YOU VOTING TONIGHT? CORRECT? YES.
ALL OPPOSED? NO, I RAISE HAND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION? YEAH.
DO WE HAVE TO DO WAIVE AS A SECOND SEPARATE VOTE? OR SEPARATE VOTE.
CAN I HAVE A, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION? SECOND OUR MONA AND THEN TOM.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS PROJECT? SO MOVED.
OKAY, NEXT ONE IS MCCORDY PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
AND THIS AGAIN, WOULD JUST BE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, NOT THE, THE OTHER STUFF.
SEE, I'M LEARNING AS I GET OLDER.
UH, THIS IS PB 2219 RECORDED SUBDIVISION FIVE HILLCREST AVENUE.
UM, IT'S A EXISTING ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON THIS ONE? YES.
SO ON PAGE NUMBER SIX, CONDITION 4.7, THERE HAD BEEN COMMENTARY CORRESPONDENCE FROM A NEIGHBOR TO THE PROJECT SITE ASKING THAT THE TOWN ENSURE THAT THERE'S FREE AND CLEAR ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION AS THE NEW HOMES BUILT ALONG CHESTNUT.
SO WE'VE ADDED A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR SHALL ENSURE FREE AND CLEAR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS ONE HILLCREST AVENUE THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT.
OKAY? SO WE HAVE THAT AS CONDITION 4.7, SAME PAGE 7.2.
UM, THIS IS BECOMING MORE CUSTOMARY, BUT I STILL WANT TO POINT IT OUT THAT THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT'S FERENCE AND THE APPLICANT'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THEY REPRESENTED THAT THEY WOULD BE DESIGNING FOR THE 50.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T REQUIRE IT, BUT THEY SAID WE'RE GOING TO AND THEY JUST WANT TO CONFIRM.
IN WHICH CASE COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION THEN? THAT WAS A TIE.
P B 2222 SAUNDERS SUBDIVISION.
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NO, THIS IS FINAL.THIS IS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
AND THE, UH, TREE, IT WAS NOT IN OUR PACKET.
THIS IS, THIS WAS EMAILED OUT.
YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE I FORGOT TO PRONOU OUT.
UM, WHAT ARE THE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES FROM THE PRELIMINARY? THERE ARE NONE.
ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT, UH, SHOULD BE, UH, POINTED OUT? NO.
WHICH CASE? I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
MOVED SECOND, BY THE WAY, I THINK I MISSPOKE.
I THINK I SAID IT WAS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A FIVE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
I HOPE MATT HEARD THAT I SAID FINAL.
CAN I HAVE A MO DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE COURT OF YES.
FOR THE FINAL, WHO WOULD MONA AND WALTER.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, TREATMENT REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVED.
HEY, DID YOU MAKE A GOOD TEAM? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? THERE'S NO DELAY.
AND ALSO A MOTION TO GRANT THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
ALL OPPOSED? I JUST WANT TO JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
THE FIRST ONE WAS JUST TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE SECOND ONE WAS THE TREATMENT RULE FURTHER, AND THE THIRD ONE WAS THE ACTUAL APPROVAL OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
SO IT'S ALL BEEN APPROVED AND WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.
WITH NO EXTENSIONS WITH THAT'S FINE.
WELL, IT'S, WE COULD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO EXTENSIONS IF, IF, UH, OUR FRIEND OVER EXTENSIONS HERE WOULD BE DOING THAT.
IT'S TIME FOR THE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IN A PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
UM, TAKE TWO MINUTES TO GO UP, UP ON STAGE AND LET'S JUST KEEP GOING.
WELCOME TO THE, UH, PUBLIC MORA.
UH, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE RULES.
MS. FREYTAG WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER IN PLACE OF MR. GOLDEN, WHO IS NOT PRESENT.
YOU ALSO KNOW FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. DAVIS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE ONE CASE OF A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
IT'S A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING FROM MAY 3RD.
UM, CASE, UH, PB 2220, WHICH IS ELMO PRESERVE.
IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE NOT, NOT DISCUSSING REALLY TONIGHT, REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONLY THE SUBDIVISION.
COULD YOU JUST GIVE A REAL TWO MINUTE FOR THE PUBLIC JUST A TWO MINUTE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF Z AND STEINMETZ HERE REPRESENTING RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD.
UH, WITH REGARD TO THE ELMWOOD PRESERVE SUBDIVISION, I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY JAMES CARIS FROM J M C.
UM, OUR CLIENT, JONATHAN REBO SHOULD BE ON.
AARON, COULD YOU CONFIRM THAT, UH, JONATHAN IS ON ZOOM.
I CAN CONFIRM THAT HE'S ON GOOD DEAL.
UM, IN A NUTSHELL, AS THE BOARD IS WELL AWARE AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE, THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN PENDING IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER IN FRONT OF THE TOWN FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, THIS RELATES TO THE FORMER ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, THE 109 ACRE PARCEL ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD, PARTIALLY ZONED R 20, PARTIALLY ZONED R 30.
UM, WE ORIGINALLY FILED AN APPLICATION, UH, FOR A REZONING OF THAT SITE TO PERMIT THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ACTIVE ADULT 175 APPROXIMATE, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNIT, AGE RESTRICTED, UH, TOWNHOUSE PROJECT.
UH, WE SPENT SEVERAL YEARS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE TOWN, WE RECEIVED, UH, THE ENDORSEMENT OF YOUR BOARD TO PURSUE THAT.
WE COMPLETED THE FULL SECRET PROCESS, DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, THE TOWN BOARD ULTIMATELY DETERMINED NOT, UM, TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PERMIT THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AT WHICH POINT, UM, HAVING COMPLETED THE SECRET PROCESS, WE REQUESTED, UH, THAT THIS PROJECT
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BE CONSIDERED AS A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXISTING ZONING 113 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.UM, LEAVING, UH, THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THE CON ED.
HIGH TENSION WIRES AVAILABLE, UH, FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN, UM, AS OPEN SPACE IN CONNECTION WITH, UH, THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS THAT ARE A PART OF EAST STRONGBROOK PARK.
WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD NOW FOR, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS PROCESSING, UM, THAT CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
WE'RE PLEASED THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION OR THE PUBLIC HEARING, I SHOULD SAY, ON PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT APPROVAL AND BRINGING IT CURRENT.
UM, UH, AARON AND GARRETT WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE WITH US THE MEMO THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM YOUR, YOUR OUTSIDE ENGINEERING, UH, CONSULTANTS.
LABA LABA HAD A GREAT DEAL OF, UM, INPUT AND CONSIDERATION AND COMMENTS REALLY RELATED TO OUR ENGINEERING ISSUES ON, UM, STORM WATER, UH, DRAINAGE.
AND IN PARTICULAR IN THIS LAST COMMUNICATION PHASING OF THE PROJECT.
UM, WE HAVE HAD, UH, A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF OVER THE LAST 24 HOURS.
UM, AND, UM, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE COMMENTS WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THEM.
WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAKE A RESUBMISSION AND ADDRESS, UH, LABEL BELLA'S CONCERNS, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
UM, WE ARE NOT STANDING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TELLING YOU THAT WE THINK YOU RECEIVED SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, UH, OBJECTIONABLE OR, UM, BLATANTLY INCORRECT LABEL.
BELLA MADE SOME VERY GOOD SUGGESTIONS.
JAMES DIEGO AND J M C ARE REWORKING, UM, SOME OF THE EARTH WORK, REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO ULTIMATELY PHASE THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF THE PROJECT AND DO IT IN A FASHION THAT'S ORDERLY, SAFE, AND MINIMIZES, UH, THE CUT AND FILL AND THE STAGING OR STORAGE OF SOIL ON SITE.
UM, SO WE WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS FAR AS WE BELIEVE.
UM, THOSE ARE TECHNICAL ENGINEERING, UM, DETAILS.
UM, THEY DON'T GO TO THE ESSENCE OF THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION OF THE ROADS FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THE AREA OF THE OPEN SPACE AS A RESULT OF WHICH, UM, WE WOULD SUGGEST AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOUR BOARD, UM, ENTERTAIN CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT HA THERE HAS BEEN NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SUBDIVISION.
THERE HAS BEEN NO PUBLIC INPUT, UM, REALLY THROUGHOUT, UM, OUR MOST RECENT PROCESS.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT WE PROCEED TO PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
AND BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SUBDIVISION, THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF, UM, DETAILS THAT WE KNOW WE'LL BE WORKING ON OVER THE NEXT MANY MONTHS, UH, BOTH WITH STAFF AND, AND PRIMARILY WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE NOTHING AFFIRMATIVE MR. CHAIRMAN TO PRESENT.
JAMES AND I ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, JONATHAN IS ON TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE BELIEVE YOUR BOARD HAS RECEIVED, UH, VOLUMINOUS INFORMATION.
THERE WAS A DETERMINATION OF NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND WE ARE ANXIOUS AS YOU COULD PROBABLY WELL IMAGINE, UM, TO, UH, GET TO PRELIMINARY AND ULTIMATELY FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
THANK, THANK YOU MR. STEINITZ.
UM, WE ARE VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE A, A WONDERFUL ENGINEER TO THAT REALLY CARESS AND, AND DOES THINGS IN DETAIL.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I AGREE WITH YOU, UM, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED AND, AND BACK AND FORTH OR OF THE TECHNICAL ENGINEERING NATURE BEYOND ANYTHING THIS BOARD SHOULD BE WORKING ON AND SHOULD BE LEFT TO BE THE TOWN ENGINEER, OUR CONSULTANTS, THE PEOPLE IN PLANNING, AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, NOT TO US.
AND SO I THINK WE AGREE WITH THE COURSE OF ACTION.
UM, I WANT AARON JUST TO GIVE A TOP LINE AS HIS VIEW AS TO WHAT THE, HOW THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE GONE, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST 24 HOURS, AARON.
SO WE DID RECEIVE, AS MR. STEINMAN'S INDICATED, A MEMORANDUM REVIEW MEMORANDUM FROM, UH, LAPELL ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN, PRIMARILY TAKING A LOOK AT ENGINEERING DETAILS OF THE PROJECT.
WE FORWARDED ALONG TO THE PROJECT TEAM.
WE THEN HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, ALL, ALL THE PROJECT TEAM, TOWN STAFF AND NOVELA.
WE HAVE CHRISTOPHER LAP ON IT AS WELL, WHO, UH, WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN PREPARING THAT.
AND, UM, THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL DETAILS RELATED TO CUT AND FILL NUMBERS.
THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO THE STONEWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY LIKE HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL PIPING BROUGHT UP THE ROADWAY AND MAYBE A COUPLE ADDITIONAL CATCH BASINS.
THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE IRONED OUT.
AND THE TEAM HAS INDICATED THEY CAN DO THAT OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
GET THAT BACK IN TIME FOR LABEL BELLA TO TAKE A LOOK AT PRIOR TO THIS BOARD CONSIDERING, UH, A RESOLUTION
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FOR, FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.SO WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS, WE'RE GONNA GET THAT SUBMISSION IN.
WE'LL GET THAT IMMEDIATELY OVER TO LABA.
IT'LL TAKE A WEEK OR TWO TO LOOK IT OVER, AND THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD THAT THINGS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED TO THE POINT AND OTHER THINGS CAN BE HANDLED IN CONDITIONS.
AS PART OF ANY DECISION BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
MR. LAPIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD AT THIS POINT? UM, NO.
I I, I, I THINK IF YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW OUR COMMENT LETTER, UH, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR HERE WAS SOME, UH, CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE SEQUENCING, UH, PLANS AND THE EROSION AND SEMI CONTROL PLANS SO THAT THEY SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER.
UM, MY OTHER, UH, CONCERN THAT, UH, AND, AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE, UH, CONSULTANT TODAY AS WELL.
UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, STOCKPILE AREAS DURING THE COURSE OF, UH, EACH PHASE IS BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME EARLY PHASES OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'LL BE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF, UH, EXCESS FILL AND PERHAPS THEY SHOULD CONSIDER MAYBE, UH, EXPANDING A CERTAIN PORTION OF THEIR PHASES SO THAT THEIR STOCKPILES AREN'T SO LARGE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PARTICULAR PHASE.
FOR EXAMPLE, PHASE THREE, THERE'S ABOUT A, UH, OVER 40,000 YARDS OF EXCESS FILL, UH, RESULTING IN A, THE STOCKPILE AREA WOULD BE ABOUT 75 FEET HIGH.
I, I, I THINK THERE'S OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT SITE WHERE THEY COULD DISTRIBUTE THE FILL THAT'S NECESSARY.
UH, MAYBE UP IN TULLEY COURT OR THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, OF THE PROJECT SITE WHERE THERE'S A NEED FOR FILL.
UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM.
UH, THEY DID SAY THAT IT MADE SOME SENSE TO REVISIT THIS.
UH, WE ALSO ASKED FOR CLARITY PURPOSES THAT SOME NARRATIVES BE PROVIDED FOR EACH PHASE.
I THINK IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED DURING EACH PHASE OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UH, GETTING SOME INPUT FROM THE D E C AND WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, ON THE ACTUAL STOCKPILES, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE CO-MINGLED OR, OR, OR SEGREGATED.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME IMPACTED SOIL THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A CLEAN FILL COVER ON IT.
AND, UH, WE WOULD JUST LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING, UH, RESIDENCES, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF THIS, UH, CONSTRUCTION PHASING.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE, UH, WE PROTECT, PROTECT THE FUTURE RESIDE IS, UM, ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT OUR OFFICE DID PICK UP ON, AND THIS IS UP FOR THE BOARD'S, UH, DISCRETION IS, UH, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE TWO OF THE SEQUENCING SCHEDULE, UH, THE INTENT IS TO BUILD ALL THE ROADWAYS ON THE SITE, INCLUDING ALL THE UTILITIES.
UH, IT INCLUDES ON THE PLAN OF CONNECTION TO VALLEY VIEW ROAD.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, THAT EARLY ON IN THE CONSTRUCTION, IF THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE MAY BE HAVING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GO THROUGH THERE OR NOT.
RIGHT? BUT MAYBE PERHAPS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE IS, UM, SINCE THE FUTURE RESIDENTS IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA AREN'T BEING BUILT UNTIL PHASE SEVEN THROUGH NINE, UH, MAYBE WE, THAT PORTION OF THE SITE CAN ONLY BE USED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF I CAN RESPOND TO MR. LAPIN FIR FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT AND OUR TEAM, WE'RE REALLY DELIGHTED THAT, UM, CHRIS AND HIS GROUP ARE, ARE INVOLVED AND, AND HAVING WORKED WITH, UM, WITH MR. LAPIN IN THE PAST, APPRECIATE HIS, HIS KNOWLEDGE AND PARTICIPATION.
UM, CHRIS MAY NOT KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T THAT, UM, THE CONNECTION TO VALLEY VIEW, UM, WAS AT THE REQUEST OF YOUR BOARD FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
UM, WE HAVE NO DESIRE, UH, TO, UH, AND HAVE NOT PROPOSED THAT AS A, UH, AS A FULL INTERCONNECTION, UH, FOR VEHICULAR MOVEMENT.
NOR HAVE WE REQUESTED AN INTERCONNECTION FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT.
SO, TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE COMMENT.
UM, CHRIS, UH, JUST SO YOU'RE CLEAR, WE DON'T NEED IT.
HOWEVER, WE DID RESPECT THE PLANNING BOARD'S WISHES THAT WE HAVE, UM, A A, UH, AN AREA FOR BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
IF WE COULD JUST, IF WE COULD JUST SIGN IT AS THAT, UH, PERHAPS EARLY ON SO EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING AND, AND I, I, I THINK THE, THAT THE CONSULTANTS UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROJECTS ACTUALLY GO INTO SEQUENCE DURING EACH PARTICULAR PHASE IN TERMS OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL MEASURES, UH, AND THE SEDIMENT TRAPS, THE SEDIMENT TRAPS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE IMPERATIVE FOR CONTROLLING, UH, SEDIMENT LAID AND RUNOFF TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, ONSITE WETLANDS AND OFFSITE.
WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED AS WELL.
AND, UH, LASTLY, I I, AND I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH THE BOARD, UM, THERE IS, AND WE SPOKE TO THIS,
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UM, WE WERE MADE AWARE ABOUT A MONTH AGO THAT THE BOARD, AS WE CONSIDERED, UH, ON ONSITE INFILTRATION VERSUS ON ONSITE ATTENUATION, WHICH, UH, WE DID NOT SEE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, AS PRESENTED.UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A DETAILED DESIGN AT THIS STAGE OF EVERY PARTICULAR LOT, BUT WE DID ASK, UH, FOR PURPOSES OF THE UTILITY PLAN ON A MINIMUM, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDERED GIVING US AN INVERT ELEVATION SIMILAR THAT WE DO FOR SEWER LATERAL OR A WATERLINE.
UH, SO THAT WE CAN CONFIRM THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, UH, STORM IN SANITARY OR STORM IN WATER CONFLICTS WITHIN THE ROADWAY.
THAT'LL BE PART OF AN UPCOMING SUBMISSION.
AND I, AND I, AND I, AND I THINK THE REST OF THE COMMENTS, A AS YOU INDICATED TECHNICAL IN NA IN NATURE, VERY EASILY ADDRESSABLE.
WE ALSO DO ASK IF WE CAN GET A, UH, A RESPONSE LETTER, UH, TO OUR OUTSTANDING STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT MEANS YES, PROBABLY.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE IN A SHORT TIMEFRAME HERE, TWO TO THREE WEEKS, SO FEEL FREE IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY TO REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING A PARTICULAR SEQUENCING.
AND IF WE WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DO SOME KIND OF OFFLINE MEETINGS SO THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET TO THE FI, YOU KNOW, CLO WE CAN GET CLOSER TO THE FINISH LINE IN TWO TO THREE WEEKS, UH, AS OPPOSED TO BEING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, A BATON TOSS AWAY.
AARON NEED SOMETHING TO SAY? JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, WE WERE REFERRING TO PARKVIEW ROAD.
AS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT OFFSITE RATHER THAN VALLEY VIEW ROAD.
UH, IN ADDITION, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION AS WELL REGARDING PUTTING TOGETHER A NARRATIVE, A DETAILED NARRATIVE RELATED TO THE CUT CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT LABELLE WANTED.
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE BOARD AND TOWN STAFF AS WELL.
SO THE TEAM HAS INDICATED THEY WILL DIDN'T GET THAT IN WITHIN THE TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
AMANDA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? NO, IT HAD TO DO WITH THAT.
STILL PLAN TO BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS OR IS IT NO, NO.
WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS STUFF YESTERDAY, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PHASING, UM, HOW I'M, I'M QUESTIONING HOW THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE BUILT.
I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL OF THAT TO GET TO THAT POINT, BUT ARE THESE GOING TO BE BUILT TO SUIT HOUSE BY HOUSE? AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE FACING PROGRAM? AND MR. SCHWARTZ, IT'S, UH, JONATHAN ON ZOOM, IF I MAY.
UM, SO A, AS FAR AS THE, HOW THE HOUSES ARE, ARE BUILT, MOST OF THEM WILL BUILD, THERE'LL BE MODELS BUILT, AND THEN MOST OF THEM WILL BE BILLED TO SUIT, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTED AND THEN, THEN A HOUSE BUILT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN FROM THE COMMENTS FROM MR. LAPIN IS THAT WE NEED TO, I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A REVISION THAT HAS FEWER PHASES.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE ONE MASS GRADING PHASE THAN YOU'LL MAYBE SEE A PIKE PHASE AND A COUPLE OF ROAD PHASES.
UM, AND THEN THE BUILDERS WILL WORK, YOU KNOW, A BUILDER WILL WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THE SITE, PROBABLY FROM CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT WORKING THEIR WAY BACK INTO THE SITE.
UM, I, I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A LOT OF, UM, AS I SAID, A LOT OF SPEC BUILDING OR, UM, PRAIRIE BUILDING, BUILDING OUT IN AREAS WHERE THE ROADS AREN'T VERY YET.
WOULD THAT BE DEPENDENT ON, ON THE CUSTOMER THOUGH? IT'S, IF A CUSTOMER LIKED A PARTICULAR LOT, LET'S SAY NEAR THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD, THAT YOU'D SEE? COULD PRAIRIE BUILD UNDER THAT OR NOT? I'M JUST ASKING.
I MEAN, MEAN, TYPICALLY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE, WE DON'T, WE, WE DON'T ALLOW OR RECOMMEND THAT TO, TO OUR, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
BECAUSE IT, IT JUST CREATES A, IT JUST CREATES A REAL, A HARDSHIP.
IT DEPENDS WHAT THE MARKET IS.
LATELY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO TELL YOUR BUYERS ANYTHING YOU WANT.
UM, IF YOU KNOW MEANING, MEANING YOU'RE GONNA STAY OVER HERE AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THESE OTHER LOTS ARE READY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMY'S GONNA BRING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
BUT BUILDERS MAY BE NEEDING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, OPEN TO CUSTOMER'S REQUESTS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, CORRECT.
SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THE FIRST HOUSE BUILT BEING BUILT AND THE, THE CLOSEOUT OF THE PROJECT BY CONTRACT? I THINK YOU'VE ASKED ME THAT A FEW.
I THINK YOU'VE ASKED ME THAT A FEW TIMES.
OUR TIMELINE IS TO START IMMEDIATELY AS SOON AS WE CAN.
AS SOON AS WE CAN BREAK GROUND, WE WILL BE BREAKING GROUND.
NO, I THINK THE QUESTION HE'S ASKING THOUGH, JONATHAN, THE PHASING PART OF PHASING, HE'S A, HE'S BASICALLY ASKING FROM THE TIME YOU CAN ALLOWED TO PUT A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND, HOW LONG UNTIL THE FIRST MODEL GOES UP.
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GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR IT, THEN I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IMMEDIATELY HOW LONG UNTIL THE END OF THE PROJECT, HOW LONG THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.HAS A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAT'S GONNA BE MARKET DRIVEN.
IT'S DEFINITELY MARKET DRIVEN.
13 HOUSES IS QUITE A BIT OF ABSORPTION.
TWO YEARS AGO, I WOULD'VE TOLD YOU SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN I'D PROBABLY TELL YOU TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UH, LIKE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE CERTAIN ROADS, THE, UH, TO THE ROADS FOR A STANDING WAY.
SO LOT OF, UH, ACCESS AND THE, UH, ENTRY AND EXIT TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO IT IS GOING DOWN THE DAY, I'M SURE MR. LAP, MIDDLE OF IT, OR YEAH, I'M SURE MR. LAPIN, YOUR, YOUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND YOUR PROFESSIONALS ARE GOING TO, WHEN WE SUGGEST A THE FIRST PHASE OF ROAD, WE ARE GONNA BE SURELY GOING TO LOOP THAT ROAD.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET ME DO A, UH, A DEAD END.
SO WE ALWAYS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SURE.
FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO LOOP.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL LOOP IT, UM, AND PROBABLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE IF WE CAN'T LOOP IT APPROPRIATELY.
UM, AND I THINK AS MR. LAPIN SAID, UM, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY ACCESS AS WE GET TO THE BACK, WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN BRINGING TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NEIGHBORS ARE, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS IF I CAN HELP IT.
BUT CARISSA, THANK YOU AS SOONEST THAT WE CAN BUILD THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THAT THE PROFESSIONALS DETERMINE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
WHAT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE CAREFUL PUBLIC SECONDARY ACCESS GO IN AT THE, AT THE EARLY BECAUSECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT.
BY DEFINITION, WHAT JONATHAN, I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU WILL MAKE SURE THERE'S A SECONDARY AXIS AT ALL TIMES AS YOU PHASE IN THE, THE ROADWAYS RIGHT.
WELL, I, I, I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE, WE MAKE SURE TO LOOP, RIGHT.
I THINK THE LOOP IS THE KEY IN PHASE IN PHASE ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D HAVE TWO ENTRANCES OR EXIT.
I DON'T MEAN THAT, I MEAN THAT YOU'D AT LEAST HAVE A LOOP OR SOMETHING.
OR, OR YOU'RE BUILDING A TEMPORARY CUL-DE-SAC THAT MEETS FIRETRUCK STANDARDS OR, OR A, A HAMMERHEAD OR, OKAY.
I THINK HERE IT WILL SET UP FOR A LOOP.
UM, A A LOT OF TIMES MR. SCHWARTZ, WE FRANKLY WILL PUT IN ALL THE ROADS AT ONCE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
UM, RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING PHASED OR CIR OR CIRCULAR OR, UM, SOMETIMES WE'LL JUST PUT IN ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT, UM, AFTER MY TEAM'S CONVERSATION WITH MR. LAPIN TODAY, UM, WE MET WITH J M C AND, AND DISCUSSED A, A REVISED PHASING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MR. COURT? YEAH, I HAVE QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSALS THAT WERE MADE BY OUR CONSULTANT? DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? ANY? SO WE'RE, WE'RE SO WALTER, WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
I, I DON'T THINK WE DO, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOUR STAFF AND WITH MR. LAPINE.
UM, AND IF WE SEE A PROBLEM OR, OR IF THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL DISAGREEMENT, I'M SURE J M C WILL, WILL, WILL EXPLAIN THAT.
BUT AS I SAID IN MY INITIAL COMMENTS, WE DON'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WE READ, UM, OBJECTIONABLE.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, UH, CHRIS AND HIS GROUP WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND JONATHAN'S ALREADY SAID HE'S, HE'S RECONSIDERING RESHUFFLING ON THE PHASING TO MAKE IT PROBABLY EASIER FOR HIM AS WELL AS CONDUCIVE TO SATISFYING, UH, LABEL BELLA.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION DIRECTED TO HUGH AND, UH, AND AARON, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF THROW THROUGH THINGS ARE, UH, TIMEFRAMES AROUND, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WEEKS DO WE HAVE ANY ROUGH IDEA WHEN WE WILL GET ANY, ALL THE INFORMATION IN HAND SO WE COULD SCHEDULE THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND FINALIZE THIS PROJECT? WE DO, WE DO.
SO STAFF WILL SUGGEST THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
THE ONE, THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF IS YOU HAVE 60 DAYS FROM CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF IT HAPPENS, WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.
AM I NOT A FLEXIBLE GUY? I SAID WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.
I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ME.
OH, JONATHAN, I WAS TRYING TO COVER FOR YOU.
KEEP QUIET, TURN YOUR MIC OFF.
I JUST WANT, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT WE GET IT UNDERSTOOD.
WE, WE, WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE TIMEFRAME.
IT WOULD BE TERRIFIC IF WE CAN TIE THIS THING UP BY THE 14TH OF JUNE IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION ON THE 21ST.
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BE OUR GOAL.REGARDLESS OF WHAT JONATHAN WILL SAY, HE'S GREATLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT THAT THE BOARD IS ENTERTAINING CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
AND TOGETHER WITH J M C, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION INTO THE TOWN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.
ANY QUESTIONS? IF I CAN ADD ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD JUST ASK, UH, WE, WE LEARNED TODAY THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE D E C REGARDING THE HANDLING OF THE ONSITE MATERIAL.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE, UH, THE TOWN BE COPIED ON A CORRESPONDENCE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT DIRECTION, UH, THE DV D E C IS, UH, PROGRESSING IN.
DO YOU DO THAT? I'LL MAKE SURE TO SEND AN EMAIL TO MY TEAM RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? NOBODY ON ZOOM WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY.
I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL JUNE 14TH.
SO, MOVE WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COULD I HAVE A, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF MY MEETING TONIGHT? CORRECT.
WE'LL BE GOING BACK INTO A WORK SESSION IN A COUPLE MINUTES.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN GREAT TRAY.
IT'S LIKE, IF YOU DON'T WANNA LOSE BOTH OF YOUR VOTES, YOU'LL LET US FOCUS.
I'M PUSHING MY, I UNDERSTAND Q IS NOT, I'M TRYING TO PUSH, WELL, I'M TRYING TO PUSH MY WAY THROUGH.
I'VE BEEN, I'VE HAD VERTIGO FOR THE LAST THREE DAYS.
OKAY, WE'RE IN NEW BUSINESS CASE 2212.
THE PAN, UH, IT'S A PLANNING BOARD.
STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR THANK YOU.
OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD WITH NO ADDRESS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTIONS AVAILABLE.
YOU'RE FREE TO PUT THE PLANS UP.
I WILL SAY VERY QUICKLY, AS THIS GENTLEMAN'S SETTING UP THAT ABOUT FIVE PLUS YEARS AGO, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A REQUEST TO SUB POTENTIALLY SUBDIVIDE THIS LOT INTO THREE LOTS BY MR. MACON.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LOT.
BEFORE, BEFORE WE START, DID YOU FIGURE OUT IF THAT WAS A TYPO OR NOT? YES.
IT SAID 23 CALL TEXTS AND THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS 12, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
BASED ON A REVISIONS OF THE PLAN.
MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I DON'T THINK, UH, YOU'VE MET ME BEFORE, BUT, UH, I'M AN ENGINEER.
UH, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT, UH, JOHNSON PAN AND BETTY B WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AND, UH, THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK ON THIS SCREEN, UH, SHEET ONE, AND YOU HAVE THE PACKET OF PLANS.
I KNOW IT'S, IT WAS, IT'S A LITTLE HEAVY.
UM, THERE'S, UH, 15, 15 SHEETS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA RUN OVER EACH RUN OVER EACH SHEET JUST TO FAMILIARIZE YOUR, YOUR, UH, WITH THE PROJECT.
UH, THE TITLE SHEET ON SHEET ONE SHOWS ON THE LEFT THE LOCATION.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST SOUTH OF TRAVIS HILL PARK, UH, RIGHT ON, ON OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, IT IS THE EMPTY LOT, WHICH IS VERY WOODED.
THERE IS ONE LITTLE PATH ON THE RIGHT THAT'S NOT ON LOT 13 TO GET TO THE TOP, UH, ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT.
UH, I DID SOME TEST PIT DIGGING UP THERE AND, UH, THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT I WAS ABLE TO WALK UP THERE.
IT LOOKED LIKE AT, AT ONE POINT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, WHETHER THERE WAS AN EXCAVATOR OR SOMETHING THAT WENT UP THERE TO DO SOME TREE WORK.
BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN USED, UM, IN A LONG TIME.
SO, UH, THE PROPERTY IS 1.15 ACRES.
SO SHEET TWO OF MY PLANS BASICALLY IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN.
IT'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BASICALLY JUST A, A WOODED LOT.
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UM, COUNTY CENTER ROAD IS ABOUT 200 FEET TO THE WEST OF IT.UH, AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER RESIDENCES JUST WEST OF THIS EMPTY LOT ON SHEET, THREE OF MY PLANS THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED, UH, LAYOUT OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, LET ME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING.
SO THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT IS, THERE'S GONNA BE A DRIVEWAY.
THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S THE DRIVEWAY STARTS OFF AT ABOUT A 4% SLOPE.
IT, UH, IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT A 7% SLOPE.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE END, AS IT EXITS OUT ONTO OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, IT ENDS UP BEING ABOUT 11%.
UH, WE'VE DESIGNED THE LAYOUT OF THE DRIVEWAY TO BE, UH, TO USE AS MUCH OF THE NATURAL TERRAIN AS POSSIBLE.
WE, I, WE, I DON'T LIKE TO DO A LOT.
I I TRY TO BALANCE THE AMOUNT OF CUT AND FILLS.
SO BASICALLY THE AMOUNT OF CUT THAT WE'RE CUTTING OUT FOR THE HOUSE AND FOR GRADING AND SHAPING THE DRIVEWAY, WE'RE USING THAT FILL ON SITE.
NOTHING HAS TO BE TRUCKED OFF SITE.
AND FURTHERMORE, WE'RE NOT IMPORTING ANY FAIL ON SITE EITHER.
UH, WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THE UTILITIES AND ALSO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UM, SHEET FOUR OF THE PLAN IS, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE PLAN THAT HAS, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UH, VISUAL, THE, THE, THE VISUALIZATION OF THE COLORS THAT, THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH OF THE STEEP, HOW MUCH, UH, PERCENTAGE EACH, UH, OF THE STEEP SLOPES ARE.
UM, SHEET FIVE OF THE PLANS IS A TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
WE'LL BE REMOVING, UH, ABOUT 64 TREES, UH, FROM SITE.
UH, AND I BELIEVE, UH, STEFAN, WHO IS, UH, WORKED ON THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN HAS SUBMITTED HIS TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, WITH SPEND.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT WORKED OUT AND APPROVED SHEET.
SIX OF MY PLANS, UH, ARE SOME, IS MY GRADING UTILITY, UH, PLAN.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROLS HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
WE'RE DOUBLING UP ON SILT FENCE, UH, FOR EACH PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE HOUSE OR FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, FURTHERMORE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER, MR. COPPOLA, AND, UH, HE HAD MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THE SITE, UH, THAT I'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, ONE OF THEM BEING A SMALL SEDIMENT BASIN JUST TO THE WEST OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO ANY SEDIMENT THAT MAY HAVE COME FROM THE DRIVEWAY WILL DEPOSIT INTO THE SEDIMENT BASIN WHERE THE CONTRACTOR CAN BE, CAN, CAN REMOVE THAT SEDIMENT DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO FURTHERMORE, ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS, SINCE WE HAVE THAT BASIN THERE, I KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE IT A POST-CONSTRUCTION, UH, UH, STORM WATER AND SEDIMENT DEVICE.
ALSO, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE HOUSE WILL ALREADY HAVE CALTECH THAT WILL TAKE THE FLOW FROM THE ROOF LEADERS.
UM, THOSE WILL GO INTO THE COLEX UP ON TOP OF THE PLATEAU, AND WE HAVE DUG TWO TEST PITS UP THERE.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET DOWN FIVE FEET, SIX FEET.
UM, THERE ARE POCKETS OF LEDGE AND BEDROCK UP THERE.
UH, BUT BASED ON OUR TEST PITS, WE, WE FEEL THAT IN THE LOCATION WHERE THE COLEX ARE, UH, THAT I HAVE DESIGNED, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET DOWN FIVE OR SIX FEET, UM, WITH SOME INFILTRATION.
HOW ABOUT THE HAMMERHEAD PART OF THE DRIVEWAY? I KNOW YOU HAVE SWALES THAT YOU'LL TALK ABOUT LATER FOR THE REST OF IT, BUT RIGHT THERE, IS ANY OF THAT GOING INTO THE CALEX? YES.
SO, WELL, THE, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A SERIES OF CATCH BASINS, UH, THAT THE ROOF LEADERS WILL FLOW INTO.
IF YOU SEE THE THREE 70 CONTOUR, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF GRADED TOWARDS THE WEST.
SO THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE GARAGE IS, ALL OF THAT FLOW IS GOING TO GO INTO THE BEGINNING OF THE DRY SWALE THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WHERE IS THAT SWAY? COULD YOU POINT THAT SWALE OUT? YEAH, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T SEE THAT OFTEN.
SO THE WATER, I CAN SHOW YOU ON THIS, BUT ARE YOU ABLE TO
INTO THIS SWALE? YEP, I SEE IT.
SO BASICALLY HOW A DRY SWALE WORKS, IT'S ACTUALLY A COMBINATION OF STORM WATER ATTENUATION AND STORM WATER, UM, INFILTRATION.
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SWALE WORKS IS YOU NEVER, WILL NEVER HAVE A VOLUME OF STORMWATER INSIDE THE SWALE.UH, ON SHEET 14 IN MY STORMWATER DETAILS, THERE'S A CROSS SECTION OF, OF, OF THIS DRY SWALE.
SO BASICALLY THE TOP PORTION OF THE CHANNEL IS GRASS LINED AND UNDERNEATH THERE'S A TWO FOOT, UH, UH, VOLUME OF A COMBINATION OF SAND AND TOPSOIL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR INFILTRATION.
AND ON THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT, THERE'S A SIX INCH COURSE OF GRAVEL WITH A FORAGE UNDER DRAIN PERFORATED PIPE IN THERE.
SO EVERY 25 FEET I HAVE DESIGNED, UH, A, UH, A SERIES OF CHECK DAMS. SO AS WATER TRAVELS DOWN INTO THE CHANNEL, UH, THE CHECK DAM WILL KIND OF HOLD THAT WATER IN PLACE UNTIL IT HAS TIME TO PERCOLATE.
SO THAT'S THE ATTENUATION PART OF IT.
AND THEN THE INFILTRATION PART OF IT IS WHATEVER GOES THROUGH THE SAND AND THE TOP SOIL MIXTURE, AND THEN OUT INTO EXISTING GRADE, WHATEVER THAT DOESN'T CAPTURE, GOES INTO THE PERFORATED PIPE, WHICH MAKES ITS WAY DOWN THROUGH THE REST OF THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IT EMPTIES OUT INTO THAT SEDIMENT BASIN AT THE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN AS THAT FLOWS TO A PARTICULAR ELEVATION, IT GOES INTO A NEW CATCH BASIN THAT'S GONNA BE PUT ON OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD THAT'S GONNA CONNECT TO THE EXISTING CATCH BASIN ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
UM, SO I HAD SPOKEN WITH MR. OLA ABOUT THAT HE HAD CONTACTED THE GREENBERG, UM, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND THEY SAID THAT THAT WAS OKAY TO DO.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW MY STORMWATER SYSTEM WORKS.
SO THE PIPE I SEE RUNNING UNDER THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE, THE SWALE, I COULD TELL, UM, TO THE RIGHT ON THIS DRAWING TO THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT CHANNEL ALONG THE RETAINING WALL.
SO I, I HAD THE, THE, THE TOP PORTION OF THE CHANNEL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO OF COURSE I HAD TO CROSS THE ROAD TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SWALE.
SO THAT FIRST PORTION OF, OF SWALE WILL DUMP INTO THE CATCH BASIN.
THAT CATCH BASIN CONNECTS TO THE SWALE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND IT CONTINUES DOWN ON THE, ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE.
DOES EVERYONE FOLLOW THAT? YES.
THEY SEE THE BLUE THAT CROSSES UNDERNEATH.
AND, BUT THEN DO YOU, YOU HAVE HAVE THE SWAS GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? YES.
SO THAT SWALE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A DESIGN LIKE THAT BEFORE.
SO THAT SWALE WILL EXTEND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE POST-CONSTRUCTION BASIN.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T, YOU SHOULDN'T REALLY RUN OFF DOWN THE HILL FROM THE DRIVEWAY WITH THOSE SWAS.
E EV EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING ON THE DRIVEWAY WILL GO INTO THE SWALE.
EVERYTHING WILL BE SUPER ELEVATED RIGHT.
ON THE RETAINING WALL SIDE AT 2% INTO WHAT ABOUT, YOU'VE GOT AN 11 COMET MADE A POINT, YOU GET AN 11 DEGREE, UH, SLOPE AT THE END IN THE LAST FEW FEET OF THE DRIVEWAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF DRAIN AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY SO IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE STREET? YES.
SO THAT LAST PORTION WHERE IT'S 11% GRADE UHHUH
AND ONCE THAT VELOCITY IS REDUCED, IT, THAT CHANNEL WILL MAKE ITS WAY INTO THAT BASIN THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE, THERE'S SOME KIND OF DRAIN ALONG THE FRONT, FRONT OF THAT, UH, THE DRIVEWAY AS IT MEETS TERRYTOWN ROAD THERE.
NO, SO, SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED WAS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I ORIGINALLY HAD A TRENCH GRATE THERE.
SO WHAT I DID WITH THE GRADING WAS I, I, I DID THE GRADING TOWARDS THE BASIN.
SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER DID NOT GO INTO THE SWALE AS IT CAME DOWN THE DRIVEWAY TOWARDS OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, IT'S STILL PITCHED TOWARDS THE MASON.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS, IS PITCHED ENOUGH LIKE THAT TO TO AT 2% NOT RUN DOWN EVEN WITH 11% GRADE? NO, IT, NO, IT, IT, IT WILL NOT RUN DOWN THE DRIVEWAY AT 11% GRADE BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A 2% PITCH GOING TOWARDS THE CHANNEL.
SO WHATEVER WATER'S COMING DOWN, WHY DID YOU PICK UP THE F WHY COULDN'T YOU PUT A FRENCH DRAIN AT THE END, END OF THE DRIVEWAY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
UH, I RECEIVED A COMMENT, UM, WITH ONE OF MY FIRST ITERATIONS OF THE DESIGN THAT, UH, I COULD NOT PUT A TRENCH GRATE IN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY IN THE RIGHT OF OH, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THAT THREE 40.
YEAH, BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY LINE IS SET BACK ABOUT 15, 13 FEET.
SO THERE IS GONNA BE SOME POTENTIAL WATER LEAVING THAT PAVED AREA GOING ON THE OLD TERRY TOWN ROAD.
IT'S A SHAME THEY DID NOT LET ME DO THAT.
SO THAT PORTION OF IT, UH, WILL PITCH TOWARDS, UH, THAT NEW CATCH BASIN.
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TERRYTOWN ROAD WHERE AT THAT, WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY EXITS, IT PITCHES TOWARDS THE WOODS? YEAH, WE DO, WE DO DRAINS AT THE END OF DRIVEWAYS ALL THE TIME.IF I CAN PUT A TRENCH, GR TRENCH DRAIN AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, I CAN VERY EASILY DO THAT.
THEY ALWAYS LOOK AT IT AND IT'S GOTTA BE SET JUST AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY DO NOT PERMIT THEM IN THE RIGHT OF PLACE.
WE'VE DONE THAT A BUNCH OF TIMES.
I GUESS MAYBE WHEN THE PROPERTY CLOSER, IT SEEMS THAT WAY, WAY, BUT THEN MAYBE THE TOWN SHOULD PUT ONE IN BECAUSE WHY DON'T WE WANT MORE WATER RUNNING ON MILITARY DOWNTOWN ROAD, YOU THINK TO ADDRESS IT, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S DONE IS THEY HAVE A 2% PITCH TOWARDS THE BASE, BUT HE JUST SAID, THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID, YOU WILL HAVE SOME WATER.
IT'S NOT GONNA STOP FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD.
AND HOW THAT'S GONNA GET CAPTURED IS WHATEVER COMES ON THE I WOULD REVISIT, LET HIM FINISH.
WHATEVER COMES DOWN ON THE OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, WE WE'RE PUTTING IN A NEW CATCH BASIN, UH, AT THE LAND ORDERS.
BUT WHAT YOU, BUT WHAT YOU SAID WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE 11% GRADE, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS, THE 2% GRADE CAN'T OVERCOME THE FORCE OF THAT 11 11% GRADE IN SOME WATER.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS GONNA COME, GONNA GO RIGHT ON TARRYTOWN ROAD, RIGHT? FROM THE THREE 40 CONTOUR TO THE 3 38.
AND I THINK THAT'S, I JUST THINK PERSONALLY THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
BUT HE'S SAYING THEY'RE PUTTING A NEW CATCH BASIN OUT TO GET SOME OF THAT WON'T, NO, THEY WON'T KNOW.
CAN, CAN YOU POINT OUT ON THE MAP WHERE THE THREE 40 GRADE VERSUS THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE OTHER ONE IS, 'CAUSE I'M GUESSING IT'S THAT SHORT DISTANCE RIGHT AT THE STRAIGHTAWAY, THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO HERE'S THE THREE 40 CONTOUR, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO FROM THE THREE 40 TO THE 3 38, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS LITTLE PORTION THAT WILL COME OUT INTO THE
BUT WE HAVE A NEW CATCH BASIN RIGHT HERE.
SO WHATEVER COMES DOWN WE'LL FOLLOW THIS CURB LINE.
IT'S GRADED TOWARDS THAT CATCH BASIN.
THE ROAD IS GRADED DOWN IT TOWARDS OH, OKAY.
IS CROWNED THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING, I THINK STILL.
WHEN YOU ARE COMING DOWN WITH YOUR CAR, AND IT'S IN PARTICULAR WINTER TIME, IT'S GOING BE, IT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY I C MASK.
I THINK IT 11 PERCENT'S A BIG GRADE.
BUT WHAT, THAT'S WHY THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE GRADE ON THE ROOF? ON THE DRIVEWAY? THAT'S WAS SOUTH COAST IN TERMS OF THE GRADE ON THE DRIVEWAY? I'LL HAVE TO, I'LL, I CAN NO, IT'S GREATER THAN THAT.
I THINK I, I I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S 15%.
BUT TO CAR'S POINT, COMING ONTO A BUSY, PARTICULARLY A STREET LIKE OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD OR OFF OF THAT WHEN IT'S ICY, MAN, I'LL TELL YOU, I, I'D BE A LITTLE BIT SCARED ABOUT DOING THAT.
I, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY HAD TO MAKE THE THING VERY CIRCUITOUS TO EVEN GET THE, TO, TO WHERE YOU DID.
BUT I WONDER, YOU MAY HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE CUTTING AND MAKE IT STEEPER.
A LITTLE STEEPER UP TO LOWER THAT GRADE WOULD BE THE OPTION.
YOU MEAN LOWER AT, TOWARDS THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO IT.
PRETTY, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE VERY LEVEL, NO MORE THAN I 6%.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D GET TO LEVEL, BUT, BUT IF YOU, BUT AT LEAST 5%.
WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, WHICH I BELIEVE ME WE CONGRATULATE FOR TRYING TO DO IT, IS TRYING TO AVOID A LOT OF CUT AND FILL WITH A LONG DRIVEWAY.
AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THE GRADE.
THE PROBLEM IS THE WORST GRADE IS AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY ONTO A BUSY STREET, WHICH IS A CONCERN.
AND SO, ONE OF MY FIRST ITERATIONS, I HAD, UH, THE DRIVEWAY COME OUT AT AN ANGLE INSTEAD OF PERPENDICULAR.
AND I, AND I WAS, I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, MY ENTRANCE HAS TO BE PERPENDICULAR.
IT DOES FOR SITE, FOR SITE DISTANCE.
SO THAT SAID, ONLY ONE WAY WOULD THAT LAST PORTION OF THE 11% AS IT COMES BACK ONTO OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, IT'S 4.6%.
SO IT DOES FLATTEN OUT TO 4.6% FROM THE THREE 40 CONTOUR DOWN TO THE 3 38.
CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE 11% IS AND WHERE THE TRANSITION THAT 11% ENDS AT, ABOUT STATION ZERO PLUS 40.
SO HOW MANY FEET IS THAT FOR ME? FROM THE, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO APPROXIMATE? WELL, ACTUALLY WITH THE CURSOR, 'CAUSE I DID GET A NOTE FROM THE, OUR CABLE ACCESS FOLKS, OUR PRODUCER, TO USE THE CURSOR, JUST SO THE PEOPLE AT HOME WERE ON TV WATCHING.
YOU CAN JUST POINT, CAN YOU SEE THAT? YEAH.
I'LL ABLE, SO HERE'S THE THREE 40 CONTOUR.
RIGHT? COULD YOU PULL THE, JUST BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP TO THIS SECTION A LITTLE BIT IF YOU COULD.
SORRY TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S BETTER FOR THE THREE POINT TV TOO.
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YEAH, YEAH.TO THE LIKE, TO LIKE TO LIKE THE 3 41.
THAT'S, SO THE, THE, THE 11% ENDS ABOUT RIGHT HERE FROM THE THREE 40 DOWN TO THE 3, 3 38, THE PROFILE WAS FOUR, 4.6%.
AND HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? TWO? ABOUT 13 FEET YOU SAID ABOUT YEAH, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS ABOUT, I SAY THAT TURN'S GONNA BE FUN IN THE WINTER.
I'M, I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT IN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY YOU CAN MAX OUT AT 10%.
THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WHAT ABOUT, BUT CHECK.
BUT WITHIN THEIR OWN PROPERTY, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION.
I THINK THERE IS, THERE'S NOT.
WELL, WE ALSO HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE FIRE TRUCKS.
WE HAVE, WE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, WE CAN HAVE THEM LOOK AT THE GRADES.
11% SEEMS TO BE EXCESSIVE TO, TO ME, WHEN YOU PARTICULARLY RIGHT AT A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A SHARP RIGHT TURN COMING DOWN THERE UNFOR WHERE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, AND TO GET UP INSIDE TO THE TOP.
THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE STEEP DRIVEWAYS EITHER, BUT I, I REALLY O OTHER THAN MOVING THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY, IT, IT, IT WAS REALLY THE, THE LEAST THE SMALLEST SLOPE THAT I COULD.
WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY IN THE, ON THE PROPERTY TO, IS THAT THE EAST? UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S UNDEVELOPED.
AND THEN THERE'S, WELL, THE, ON THE EAST, THE EAST SIDE IS UNDEVELOPED.
IT'S ALL, IT'S IT'S WOODS THERE.
BUT THERE'S TWO TO THE WESTERN.
COULD YOU SAID THERE'S A TURN, DROP IN GRADE.
WHY COULDN'T YOU MOVE THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S FURTHER EAST? FURTHER EAST? FURTHER EAST? YOU SAID YOU HAD CONSIDERED BOAT, BUT YOU DID NOT PURSUE.
WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY YOU DID NOT PURSUE? IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T ON THIS PROPERTY THAT, THAT ROAD THAT I WALKED UP WAS ON THE NEXT PROPERTY.
NO, BUT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS IS IS THERE ANY WAY OF, OF MOVING THAT DRIVEWAY SO IT WOULD NOT BE SO STEEP.
THE THIS WAS THE, THIS WAS THE LOCATION WHERE WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS GONNA BE THE LEASE.
WELL, LEMME ASK QUESTION IF, HOLD ON FOR A SECOND THOUGH, IF IT MAY TAKE CUT.
WHERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE? IS IT THE GREEN LINE OR THE BLACK LINE? IT'S, IT'S THIS BLACK LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO WHERE DOES IT COME DOWN TO? TERRYTOWN ROAD? RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S WHY HE CAME OVER AT EAST.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY WIDE DRIVEWAY.
IS IT 26 FOOT DRIVEWAY? IS THAT WHAT WHAT? NO, IT'S, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING, IT SHOOT THE FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS ABOUT THAT TURN, IT'S A PRETTY TIGHT TURN.
WE'LL LOOK TO CONTINUE COORDINATING WITH THE APPLICANT.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE THROUGHOUT THE STAFF LEVEL REVIEW PHASE.
WE CAN LOOK TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM.
I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, A, A NORMAL COMMENT 'CAUSE YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.
UM, THE ONE OTHER THING, AND THEN WITH THE FIRETRUCK, THERE'S, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF A HAMMERHEAD TO TURN A FIRETRUCK AROUND, SO IT'S GONNA END UP BACKING DOWN.
A FIRETRUCK COMING IS GONNA HAVE TO BACK DOWN THAT WHOLE DRIVEWAY.
HOW FAR IS THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET? THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
HOW FAR IS THE HOUSE SETBACK FROM THE TARRYTOWN ROAD? UM, IT'S ONE PLUS 16.
WE'LL LOOK TO HAVE A SIT DOWN WITH A LOCAL FIRE.
YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT.
IT'S LIKE A, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET.
YOU CAN'T HEAR IT FROM THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GOTTA TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT, I LOVE THE SET.
IT JUST, IT MAY NOT WORK FROM BECAUSE OF FIRE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TALK TO THE FIRE, FIRE DISTRICT ABOUT IT.
IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE IS A FIRE HYDRANT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE THE ENTRANCE OF THE FIRE IS.
THE ISSUE IS GETTING A FIRETRUCK UP THERE.
HOW EASY THAT'S GONNA BE TODAY.
NOW I, I'M SORRY I DID, YOU MENTIONED 12 FEET, BUT, UH, IF WE LOOKED BETWEEN THE THREE 40 AND THE 3 38 CONTOUR AND OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT I SAW A 16 FEET.
YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S, SO IT'S THE, THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF IS 12 FEET, WHEREAS IT COMES BACK OUT, IT FLARES OUT TO 16 FEET.
WALTER, QUESTION ON THOSE RETAINING WALLS.
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OKAY.IS THERE ANY, I KNOW THERE'S PRETTY ROUGH TOPOGRAPHY THERE, BUT IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT ANY REASONABLE CHANCE A PERSON WALKING COULD, UH, FALL OVER THAT, UH, RETAINMENT WALL IS NINE FEET HIGH? YES.
WE, WE WOULD HAVE PROVISIONS FOR OUR GUARDRAILS THAT I HAVE A, I HAVE A GUARD RAIL AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE, I THINK THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, WALLS OR SOMETHING LIKE 16 FEET.
SO THAT MIGHT CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANTING SOME S SUBS YES.
DISCOVERY BETWEEN THOSE TWO WALLS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, TOM? UM, I THOUGHT I READ IN YOUR NOTE THAT IT WAS GONNA BE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY ELECTRIC INDICATED ON THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS I MISSED IT.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE RUNNING ALONG THE DRIVEWAY OR IS IT GONNA BE BURIED FROM THE STREET? UH, BE OR BE RUNNING UP THROUGH THE WOODS? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA RUN UP TO THE WOODS PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROPOSED WATER MAIN AND A SANITARY LATERAL THAT RUNS ON THAT EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE EL ELECTRIC WOULD GO AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SIX, SEVEN.
CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE JUST A LITTLE? OH, YOU MIGHT.
UH, SO WHAT IS THE AVERAGE GRADE OF THE DRIVEWAY? UH, WELL, THE, THE, WE'VE ON THE DRIVEWAY PROFILE, WE'VE KIND OF SECTIONED OFF WHERE THE, THE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE GRADES ARE BASED ON STATION NUMBER.
SO, UH, THE 11.24% GOES FROM STATION ZERO PLUS 40 TO ABOUT ONE PLUS 60.
AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION, UH, IS 7% FROM ONE PLUS 60 TO MM-HMM.
IS THAT WHERE I SAY? SO YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER 60, 70 FEET AND THEN TWO PLUS 80 TO THE TOP AT 4.8%.
SO THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER, UH, 400 MINUS TWO 80.
SO THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER 130, 140 FEET.
THAT'S SO DRIVEWAY'S OVER 200 FEET.
YEAH, IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS TO, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS TO, WE HAD, WE HAD TO DO THE SWITCH BACK TO GET, TO GET TO THE TOP.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED THAT LONG A DRIVEWAY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO STRAIGHT UP.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER AT LEAST AT THE TOP THE MORE LEVEL PORTION NEAR THE HOUSE? POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, PERMEABLE PAVERS, PERVIOUS PAVER, IMPERVIOUS PAVERS PER PERVIOUS PAVER.
I WAS GONNA, SINCE THERE'S SO MUCH ASPHALT ON THAT SLOPE, I WOULDN'T EVEN SUGGEST IT, BUT TO AT LEAST, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PERVIOUS SURFACE TO SOME DEGREE.
I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THE WHOLE THING.
I KNEW YOU WERE, BUT I WANTED, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A, HEY GUYS, MORNING.
UM, SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT ON THE SPOT.
HAVE YOU PLANNED FOR LIGHTING ALONG THE DRIVEWAY? WE HAVE NOT PLANNED FOR LIGHTING.
WE, UH, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IT'S A VERY LONG PATHWAY, YOU TO WALK OUT, WALK UP IT AT NIGHT.
YOU MAY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH LIGHT.
ANYBODY DRIVING UP THAT EVEN DISTANCE OR WALKING, MAYBE JUST COME INTO YOUR HOUSE WALKING UP THIS, I'LL GRAB ONE LAST QUESTION, WHICH THIS IS NOTHING THAT, THAT WE CAN, CAN REQUIRE A CONDITION.
BUT, UM, ARE YOU CONSIDERING ANY KIND OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY ELEMENTS AS PART OF THE HOUSE? JUST SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU PLAN.
I, I'M GONNA VENTURE TO SAY YES.
UH, THE ARCHITECT FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSE WILL BE SUBMITTING HIS OWN SEPARATE SET SET OF PLANS, WHICH I THINK WILL ADDRESS.
WALTER? IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A PRETTY MODERN HOUSE.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A, DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE ARCHITECT TO BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK AS THIS PROJECT ADVANCES WITH THE BOARD.
WALTER, JUST A QUESTION IS I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND IN THE FRONT YOU HAVE RED OAKS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TALL TREES.
AND THEN, AND THEN BACK AT IT IS A FLOWERING, IS IT FLOWERING APPLE, FLOWERING CHERRY TREE? I THINK IT WAS A CHERRY, I'M JUST SAYING FROM THE HOUSE, IF YOU'RE IN THE HOUSE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THESE BEAUTIFUL
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PLANTS BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THESE ENORMOUS RED OAKS.SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE YOU'D BE CONSIDER PUTTING THOSE BEAUTIFUL PLANTS IN THE FRONT WHERE THEY COULD ACTUALLY SEE THEM RATHER THAN BURY THEM IN BACK OF GIANT, UH, RED OAKS.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, I THINK BOTH OF YOU KNOW, STEFAN, I THINK HE, HE, HE KIND OF TOOK THE, HE, HE TOOK THE LEAD ON, ON DOING THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
SO I'LL, I'LL RELAY THAT MESSAGE TO HIM.
SEE THOSE, THEY HAVE RED OAKS MM-HMM.
SO THE NEIGHBORS WILL SEE IT, BUT THEY WON'T.
SO, UH, THERE ANY OTHER, THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JO JOB THIS FIRST PRESENTATION THAT WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO IS WHAT WE, OUR NORMAL WAY OF DOING THINGS.
SO DON'T FEEL ANYTHING, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE HERE.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT YOU MEET WITH STAFF AND ENGINEERING TO TALK ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY, GET SOME INFORMATION ON THE FIRE.
I THINK THE FIRE THING IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES.
SHOULD ALSO TALK TO OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY PEOPLE, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
'CAUSE IT'S A HIGH, IT'S IT'S A LONG DRIVEWAY.
IT'S TWO E EVEN E M S I MEAN, IT'S 240 FEET LONG.
SO, UM, TO DISCUSS THAT WITH HIM AND COME BACK WITH A WORK SESSION ON OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
SO TO THE EXTENT, UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS THREE WEEKS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK, SO IT WILL GIVE US TIME TO COORDINATE AND I CAN LOOK TO ARRANGE A MEETING, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST WEEK, JUNE NEXT WEEK.
WE CAN HAVE YOU BACK ON JUNE 7TH FOR FOLLOW UP JUST TO GIVE A, WHAT I'D LIKE BE ABLE TO DO, DO IS IF, IF YOU CAN GET THROUGH IT, GET ALL THOSE THINGS RESOLVED WITH ENGINEERING, WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT AND SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF RESOLVED ENOUGH THAT WE CAN TIE IT UP, THEN WE CAN GO TO DECISION THE TIME AFTER THAT.
DIDN'T YOU? PUBLIC HEARING US? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE'LL GO TO, WE WOULD GO TO PUBLIC HEARING THE SECOND, OUR SECOND MEETING IN JUNE.
THEN, AND THEN DECISION AFTER THAT.
A DECISION WILL BE THE FIRST MEETING OF JULY WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING OF JULY.
SO THAT'S THE PATH, THAT'S THE PATH WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
SO WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TIE UP OUR WORK SESSION QUESTIONS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BY THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL BE IN TOUCH TOMORROW TO COURTNEY.
ALRIGHT, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, CONVO 2304 SLASH PLANNING BOARD 2307.
UH, THIS IS FOR A JEEP DEALERSHIP ON SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, TOWN BOARD IS A REFERRAL TO THE, FROM THE TOWN BOARD PERMIT, PERMITTED SITE PLAN.
IT'S FOR T TRIABLE PERMIT, UH, PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR, UH, UH, VEHICLE NEW MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND BOY, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A LOT OF THINGS AND PLANNING BOARD LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR ALL THESE THINGS.
IT'S NOT ALL FROM YOU, NOT ALL FROM YOU.
UH, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS IS THE OLD SPORT TIME.
BUILDING ON SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, VACANT FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW.
UM, GOODWILL MOVED DOWN THE STREET AS WELL.
THEY'RE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS REPURPOSING THAT LAND FOR A G FOR A CHIEF DEALERSHIP.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO, TO THE APPLICANT.
YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I'M A PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM OF MIER MARCH.
AND YES, I'M HERE TONIGHT, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UH, ADA THREE 80 SAW MILL, L L C I THINK DAVE TOSCA SHOULD BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
WHO IS A PROPERTY OWNER? THIS OF THE, TO IS THIS PART OF THE TOSCA DEALERSHIP GROUP THEN? YES, IT IS.
UM, AND SO, UH, BOADA IS SEEKING A, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND, UH, WAIVERS FROM THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2 85, 38 H.
UM, AND WE ARE ALSO SEEKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE THIS SITE IS 5.3 ACRES.
AND SO WE NEED TO GET, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TO YOU.
ADAM BERG FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING IS HERE.
HE'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, THE PLANS AND THE
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DRAWINGS.UM, I JUST, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.
WE'RE IN THE IB, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, 5.3 ACRES.
THE EXISTING BUILDING IS, UH, 59,000, UH, 316 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS JEEP DEALERSHIP, WHICH IS NOW LOCATED IN WHITE PLAINS.
AND, UH, AND IMPORTANTLY THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA, SO IT'S EXEMPT FROM CCRA.
UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT I WILL PASS IT OVER TO ADAM AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE DRAWINGS.
AND AS ADAM'S SETTING UP, I JUST WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE JOHN CANNING AND WILLIAM SLATER HERE FROM KIMLEY HORN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
AND ALSO SOME OTHER REVIEWING HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE IT GOT TO US AS WELL, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ENGINEERING? SO IN TERMS OF, OH YEAH.
SO WE'VE SET, YOU KNOW, OUR TOWN ENGINEERS LOOKED AT THE PROJECT, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY HAS LOOKED AT THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, KIMLEY HORN HAS DONE A REVIEW LOOKING AT TRAFFIC SAFETY WITHIN THE SITE AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION WITHIN THE SITE.
THEY'RE HAPPY TO REPORT BACK, UH, WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT THEIR FINDINGS AND, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
SO, AND ALSO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ADAM BERG, INSIGHT ENGINEERING, SERVING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PC.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.
UH, AS HELEN WAS MENTIONING, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, AS A CAR DEALERSHIP.
UH, HISTORICALLY, AS WAS MENTIONED, UM, THE, THE FACILITY HAS BEEN USED FOR INDOOR, UH, RECREATION RETAIL USES.
UM, AS YOU ALSO SOUND AWARE, UH, THE BUILDING AND THE SITE HAVE FALLEN INTO SOME DISREPAIR.
UH, AND THE SITE IS, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THROUGH IT, SOMEWHAT DISORGANIZED IN TERMS OF PARKING AND CIRCULATION.
SO ALONG WITH THE BUILDING RENOVATIONS, UM, THERE ARE SOME ACCOMPANYING, UH, SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE.
UM, SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS, UH, WE MET WITH THE TOWN BOARD AT A WORK SESSION AND THEIR PRIMARY CONCERN WAS WITH, UH, WHERE AND HOW CAR CARRIERS, UH, WOULD NAVIGATE THE SITE, ROAD AND UNLOAD VEHICLES.
SO THE APPLICANT TAKES THAT CONCERN, UH, VERY SERIOUSLY AND AT THE EXPENSE OF WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
UH, WE'VE LAID OUT THE SITE SO THAT A CAR CARRIER CAN ENTER, EXIT, UH, THE SITE IN ANY OF THE FOUR DIRECTIONS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN ENTER FROM THE NORTH, FROM THE SOUTH, THEY CAN EXIT TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
NOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UH, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, AND, AND BY THAT I REALLY ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THE CAR CARRIERS WOULD BE APPROACHING THE SITE FROM THE SOUTH.
THEY WOULD ENTER, UH, THIS ONE WAY ENTRANCE, UH, AT THE SOUTH OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE SITE.
THEY WOULD LINE UP TO THIS DESIGNATED LOADING AREA HERE, UNLOAD THEIR VEHICLES.
COULD YOU USE THE POINT THAT TO SHOW, COULD YOU ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT IN THAT AREA AND THAT WAY I CAN SEE THE, ARE YOU SEEING MY ERV? OKAY.
UM, IT'D BE BETTER IF IT WAS ZOOMED IN.
SO, UM, SO THE CAR CARRIERS WOULD, WOULD GENERALLY, UH, ENTER THIS SOUTHERN ENTRANCE.
THEY'D LINE UP IN THIS DESIGNATED, UH, LOADING, ON LOADING SPACE.
THEY WOULD DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
AND THEN WHEN THEY WENT TO EXIT, AGAIN, MOST TYPICALLY THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD GO TO THIS CENTRAL, UH, UH, SIGNAL SIGNALIZE, UH, EXIT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN, UH, TO GO BACK SOUTH.
AND OF COURSE, AND THAT LITTLE OVAL WILL NOT BE THERE ANYMORE.
THE, UH, THE, THE CURVED ISLAND WILL BE REMOVED.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP A, A STRIPED ISLAND IN PLACE.
BUT FOR, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TRUCK COULD MAKE THAT TURN.
SO THAT'S WHY, FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE ELIMINATING THE CURBED ISLAND.
WE'LL KEEP THE, THE STRIPED ISLAND FOR PASSENGER VEHICLES TO, TO, TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE, THE CAR CARRIERS WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY MANEUVER, BUT THAT WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, UH, THE, THE MOST COMMON MANEUVER THAT'LL BE MADE BY THOSE VEHICLES.
AND THEN WHERE ARE THE CARS COMING IN FOR SERVICE? SO THE, SO WHERE ARE THEY'RE GOING? WHERE ARE THEY GOING? YEP.
SO FOR THE, THE, THE, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND CONTEXT, UM, FROM THIS OVERHEAD DOOR AND THIS OVERHEAD DOOR FORWARD, UH, GENERALLY IS THE SALES AREA.
AND THEN FROM THIS OVERHEAD DOOR AND THAT OVERHEAD DOOR BACK IS, UH, THE SERVICE AREA.
SO THE SERVICE, THE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING IN FOR SERVICE WOULD ENTER FROM EITHER THE CENTRAL ENTRANCE OR THE ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH, THIS ONE WAY ENTRANCE HERE.
AND THOSE WOULD BE, UH, GENERALLY THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK HERE.
UH, I THINK MOST OFTEN THE IDEA IS THAT THEY
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WOULD QUEUE HERE, THEIR VEHICLE WOULD BE BROUGHT IN THROUGH THESE OVERHEAD DOORS, AND THEN THEY'D BE BROUGHT IN FOR SERVICE AND THEN THEY'D BE ABLE TO LEAVE OR GO OR, OR, OR GO, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THAT AREA? YEP.SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A DRIVE, A DRIVE DRIVE-THROUGH DROP OFF, PROBABLY.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, TOM INDICATED THAT SOME SECTION WILL NOT BE THERE, SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT CLEAR.
IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD SEE THE PROPOSED DIAGRAM SO WE COULD SEE HOW THE CIRCULATION OF THE TRUCKS GO AROUND.
WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS THE, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER THERE, WALTER.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CON, THERE'S A CONCRETE ISLAND THERE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE A TRUCK FROM LEAVING AND TAKING IT LEFT WITHOUT RUNNING OVER IT.
SO ALL THEY'RE DOING IS REMOVING THAT ISLAND AND DOING IT, DOING A STRIPED ISLAND, SO TO SPEAK.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU'D STILL HAVE THE SAME IN AND OUT.
AND ALLOW YOU TO DRIVE, DRIVE OVER IT.
BUT GENERALLY WE SEE A DIAGRAM YOU'RE SAYING AS A THE TRUCK TRUCK MOVEMENT PLAN.
AND SO WE SEE IF THERE ARE BARRIERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE DOCK.
AND, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED, I CAN, I CAN SCROLL DOWN.
UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED A MANEUVERS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CAR CARRIERS.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE MOST CHALLENGING.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THAT IN DEFENSE? WE, WE HAVE THOSE IN THERE.
UH, I CAN, WE CAN TAKE LOOK AT 'EM REAL QUICK.
UM, WE'RE JUST SHOWING BASICALLY THAT WE CAN DO ALL OF THE MANEUVERS.
AND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY LEY GORDON AS WELL.
SO JUST GETTING BACK TO THOSE MANEUVERS, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE, THERE ARE FURTHER QUESTIONS, BUT GO AHEAD.
UH, PART OF, UM, PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE, UH, RELATED TO JUST NAVIGABILITY FOR THE, THE, UH, CAR CARRIERS, UH, WERE AT THE SUGGESTION OF KIMLEY HORN, UH, THE WIDENING OF, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY WIDENING THIS, UM, SOUTHERN, UH, ONE-WAY ENTRANCE.
UH, SOME TO SOME DEGREE THE, THE CENTRAL ENTRANCE AND TO SOME DEGREE THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE, UH, AGAIN, AT THE SUGGESTION OF, UM, OF KIMLEY HORNE.
SO THESE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE PART OF A PERMITTING PROCESS, UH, WITH THE NEW YORK STATE D O T.
UM, ALSO INCLUDED IN PERMITTING WITH THE D O T WILL BE THE FACT THAT WE ARE RE WE ARE REMOVING, UH, SOME SITE CURBING THAT CROSSES THE PROPERTY LINE INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REMOVALS PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE SOME CURBING HERE.
THIS DARK LINE IS OUR PROPERTY LINE, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THAT CURBING IS ACTUALLY ON THE, THE, THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO OUR NEW, UH, PROPOSED CURB LINE WILL REMOVE THAT ISSUE AND IT'LL BE FULLY ESTABLISHED, UM, WITHIN THE SITE.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS RETAINED COLLIER'S ENGINEERING WHO'S GONNA BE SPEARHEADING THE D O T PERMITTING.
UH, AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN AND THE D O T, UH, ON THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS IN THE, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AS FAR AS, UH, GENERAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING, UM, NEW PARKING LAYOUT WITH, UH, PARKING AND ACCESS AISLES THAT, UH, ARE LAID OUT, UH, TO STANDARD TOWN DIMENSIONS.
UH, RIGHT NOW, AS I SAID, THE SITE'S A BIT DISORGANIZED, ESPECIALLY OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FREE FOR ALL.
THERE'S PARKING ALL OVER THE, THE DRIVE AISLE WIDENS AND NARROWS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FORMALIZE AND ORGANIZE THAT.
UM, CENTRAL TO THE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS, UM, IS BRINGING THE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ACCESSIBILITY STAND, UH, STANDARDS, UM, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THREE ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACES, UH, AND ACCESSIBLE ROUTES TO THE BUILDING.
UH, SO THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME GRADING.
UM, THE INCLUSION OF CURB RAMPS AND SIDEWALKS, UM, AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, FURTHER TO THE PARKING, UM, THE PARKING, UH, THAT'S SHOWN CONTEMPLATES THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE, UH, PERTINENT TYPICALLY TO, UH, CAR DEALERSHIPS.
ONE WILL BE THE VISITOR AND, AND, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING.
THE QUANTITY OF THOSE SPACES WILL MEET THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WILL ALSO BE, UH, SOME, UH, DISPLAY VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED DIS DISPLAY VEHICLE, UH, SPACES AND SPACES THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
AND THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL GENERALLY BE TO, UH, MORE TO THE REAR OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE PROPERTY.
UM, ANOTHER BIG PIECE OF THE SITE WORK, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT IS THE, UH, PROPOSED STORMWATER, UH, DESIGN.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NO DRAINAGE ON THE SITE, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A HANDFUL OF OLD SMALL DRAIN INLETS THAT ARE DIRECTLY AROUND THE BUILDING MM-HMM.
AND THEY PICK, THEY ONLY PICK UP A PORTION OF THE RUNOFF THAT, UH, THAT THAT IS CREATED DIRECTLY AROUND THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE STREAM RATE.
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I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT HAP YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DRAINS NEAR THE BUILDING, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE, THE, THE, UM, THE PROPERTY GENERALLY KIND OF SLOPES IN THIS DIRECTION.AND SO THIS WOULD BE A LOW POINT AND THERE'S NO DRAIN THERE AS AS ONE EXAMPLE.
UM, SO ADD TO THE PROBLEM DOWN DOWNSTREAM FROM THAT, WHICH HAS BEEN BIG OVER THE YEARS FOR SURE.
SO WHAT THIS DESIGNED, UH, SYSTEM IS GOING TO DO IS IT'S GONNA PICK UP ALL OF THE, UH, IMPERVIOUS, UH, SURFACES.
IT'S DESIGNED TO STATE STANDARDS.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES FROM WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF WILL BE PICKED UP AND WILL BE TREATED IN THESE TWO HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATORS.
I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU'RE TREATED OKAY.
SO IT'LL BE TREATED WITH THE, WITH THE TWO SEPARATORS, UH, BEFORE, UH, BEFORE THEN LEAVING THE SITE.
AND THEN WHERE IS IT GOING? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL GOING INTO ONE LITTLE, NO, THE STREAM THAT LOOKS RIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL COLLECTED.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THIS IS DESIGNED TO THE STATE STANDARDS, WHICH REQUIRES, UM, A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
UM, SO, UH, THEN YEAH, AS I SAID, IT GOES TO THE TWO SEPARATE HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATORS.
AND ULTIMATELY IT DOES GO OFF THE SITE IN THIS LOCATION HERE OPPOSITE TO WHERE, TO WHERE.
THAT'S ONE QUESTION TO, TO THE ADJACENT STREET IS THE STREET GOES DOWN, WHICH, WHICH ATTACH, WHICH ATTACHES TO THE SELMA RIVER.
BUT ARE YOU SLOWING IT, ARE YOU SLOWING IT DOWN BEFORE IT GOES OFF, I ASSUME? YEAH, SO WE'RE ATTENUATING THE VOLUME AND WE'RE DOING THE QUALITY TREATMENT THROUGH THE HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATOR.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALL DESIGNED PER THE STATE REGULATIONS.
AND THAT STREAM GOES UNDER SAWMILL RIVER ROAD THEN, RIGHT? IT DOES.
I ASSUME IT'S SLOPING THAT WAY.
AND GUESS WHERE IT ENDS UP IN THE SAWMILL RIVER? YEAH.
BUT IT JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT CULVERT OR WHATEVER IS GONNA BE ENOUGH TO, UH, THIS WILL BE A BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE A VAST IMPROVEMENT TO THE CURRENT, UH, SITUATION.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS THIS ALL SLOPES DOWN.
THERE'S SOME KIND OF CRACKED AND CRUMBLING CURBING, WHICH THE STORM WATER KIND OF EITHER GOES OVER OR BLEEDS THROUGH, RUNS DOWN THIS STEEP SLOPE, WHICH IS AN EROSION.
IT'S UP RIGHT ACROSS, AND IT'S UP RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHEN IT FLOODS AND GOES WHERE IT GOES.
IN THIS, IN THIS DESIGN, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE REESTABLISHING THE CURB LINE ALONG THE SOUTH HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RUNOFF THAT DOES RUN ALONG THAT CURB DOESN'T JUST RIP OFF THE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT DOWN THE SLOPE AND INTO THE STREAM THAT IT'S COLLECTED AGAIN, TREATED, UH, BEFORE IT, BEFORE IT THEN LEAVES THE SITE.
UM, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE, AARON, FOR IT TO LEAVE THE SITE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SO USED TO SAYING IT ALL HAS TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY.
WHAT WE, IT'S METERED WHAT WE SAY IS THE FLOW.
NO, WHAT WE SAY, THE LAW IS THAT THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, WHEN YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE OFF FLOW THAN THE PREEXISTING CONDITION IN THIS CASE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LEAPFROG IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY MM-HMM.
AND I WANT, I WANNA REINFORCE, YOU'RE RIGHT, I WANNA REINFORCE THAT THE, UH, AGAIN, WE ALSO HAVE A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES HAS TO OFF ON PROPERTY SOMETIME.
SO THE QUANTITY OF OF RUNOFF, UH, COMING OFF OF THOSE IMPERVIOUS SERVICES BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
UM, IS THE PARKING, IF THE PARKING IS MORE THAN WHAT IS NEEDED OR IT'S A, THE PARKING, THERE IS A PARKING SUMMARY BECAUSE WHICH IS, IT SHOWS THE YELLOW VEHICLE STORAGE SPACES AND RIGHT.
YOU HAVE THAT COLORIZED DRAWING.
I, I ALSO, A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT CAR STORAGE.
THERE IS A, I WON'T NAME THE DEALERSHIP, BUT EVERY TIME I GO BY IT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE CARS JUST PARKED IN SPACES.
THEY HAVE CARS PACKED, BACKED UP ALL OVER THE AISLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WHAT IS THE PLAN, UH, PLAN FOR LIKE THE USED CAR INVENTORY? THIS ONE PLACE IS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND JUST PACKS THE PARKING LOT MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE I'M SAYING SOMETIMES IT DOES, IT COMES RIGHT TO THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, UH, IS THE PLANS TO KEEP THE, THE STORED DISPLAY CARDS WITHIN THE SPACES AND NOT YES.
NOT STACKED THEM LIKE THAT? YES.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS, THIS WILL BE, UH, MILDLY HELPFUL, UH, TO, TO, JUST SPEAKING TO THE, THE PARKING, UH, CONVERSATION, THE, UM, AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, SO THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S THREE TYPES OF PARKING SPACES ON THE, ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, AGAIN, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AS REQUIRED BY THE TOWN OR EXCEEDING.
I, I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACTUAL NUMBER.
I, I BELIEVE WE EXCEED THE, THE MINIMUM NUMBER AND THOSE WILL BE DESIGNATED FOR VISITORS AND FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES.
UH, THE OTHER DESIGNATION, UH, IS FOR, UH, DISPLAY SHOW DISPLAY VEHICLES, WHICH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ARE NEAR THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THEM, A ALONG THE FRONT.
THE, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DRAWING, THE ORANGE AREAS ARE, UH, PLACES THAT WILL BE DESIGNATED
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SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, FOR VEHICLE STORAGE.SO IT'S THE, UH, THE, THE PARKING AREA IN THE FRONT WILL BE EXACTLY THE WAY IT'S APPEARS ON THIS PLAN.
IT'S GONNA BE, AGAIN, DESIGNATED FOR VISITORS AND FOR, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS AND, AND FOR EMPLOYEES IN TOWN, STANDARD DIMENSION PARKING SPACES.
UM, THE, THE BULK STORAGE OF VEHICLES WILL HAPPEN IN THE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN IN ORANGE BEHIND, BEHIND THE BUILDING, BEHIND THE BUILDING.
FOR THE MOST PART, NOT, YOU KNOW, OFF, YOU KNOW, WELL OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO THOSE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED AS THE, UH, OKAY.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WITH THE STORM ORDER, I'M JUST CONFIRMING IT'S, YOU'RE TREATING QUALITY ON SITE MM-HMM.
SO PER, PER AND CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO QUALITY TREATMENT ON SITE AT ALL.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, THE JEEP, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER, UH, UH, MANUFACTURERS ARE GOING ALL ELECTRIC BY WHATEVER DATE IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME AS A SELLER OF FUTURE ELECTRIC CARS, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO, UH, UM, SUPPORT THAT INDUSTRY, EITHER MAYBE BY SOLAR CELLS ON YOUR ROOF, OR A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY ON YOUR PROPERTY, SEEING HOW YOU'RE SELLING THESE ELECTRIC CARS, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOCIETY HAS TO ADJUST TO IN PROVIDING SUFFICIENT, UH, ELECTRICAL RESOURCE.
SO IN TERMS OF BATTERY STORAGE ON THE SITE, THAT MAY NOT BE, UH, FEASIBLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF REGULATION THAT GOES IN INTO THAT.
UH, THE SOLAR ELEMENT MAY ALSO BE CHALLENGING JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE NATURE OF THE EXISTING ROOF.
BUT SPEAKING TO THOSE CONCERNS, WE ARE SHOWING, UM, A SERIES OF, UM, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS THAT, UH, CUSTOMERS WILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO USE THE CHARGE TO, TO CHARGE THE, THE FOR SALE VEHICLES ON SITE.
UH, SO THAT KIND OF FORWARD LOOKING, UH, ELEMENT IS INCLUDED.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WITH REGARD TO, TO, TO SOLAR, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK, UH, DEFINITIVELY WE COULD DEFER TO THE ARCHITECT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL BE FEASIBLE BASED ON WE'D ASK MEAN TRUTHFULLY.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, AND WE ALL KNOW WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS, HOWEVER, ARE, ARE THE OBJECTIVES IN OUR STATE ARE SO AGGRESSIVE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE ELECTRICITY FROM TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
IT'S NOT, WE CAN GET THERE WITH THE CARS FOR SURE.
AND WE CAN GET THERE BY GETTING, BY THROWING EVERYBODY'S GAS STOVE OUT THE WINDOW.
WE CAN DO THAT TOO, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO DO.
BUT, UM, WE, IN TERMS OF HAVING A SOURCE OF THE ELECTRICITY, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D JUST LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT, IF IT CAN'T BE DONE, IT CAN'T BE DONE.
WE ASK EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH STANCHIONS OR SOMETHING TO HAVE SOME ALTERNATE ENERGY SOURCE ON SITE.
SOME KIND OF, WHETHER IT COULD EVEN BE, YOU KNOW, WINDMILLS OR NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY'RE ALSO PHOTO CELL ONES THAT ARE, UH, ATTACHED TO, UH, YOUR OVERHEAD TO YOUR LIGHTING THAT CAN BE DONE.
THERE, THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO HELP IN THAT REGARD WOULD BE WELCOME BY THIS TOWN.
AND I WOULD JUST REEMPHASIZE SEEING HOW YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PRODUCING THE CONSUMER OF THE VEHICLE THAT IS CONSUMING ELECTRICITY.
YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE SOME ATTEMPT TO BALANCE THAT.
AND ONE, ONE THING THAT, THAT THE CHAIRMAN BROUGHT UP, GOOD POINT.
UH, WE COULD DEFINITELY EXPLORE, UH, IS THE POSSIBILITY OF, UM, SOLAR, UH, SITE LIGHTING, UM, THAT'S BECOME, UH, MUCH MORE VIABLE.
UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HISTORICALLY WITH SOLAR SITE LIGHTING IS THAT THE TOWNS HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIGHT AND THAT THE, OBVIOUSLY THE OWNERS REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIGHT, AND IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT INCONSISTENT DEPENDING ON THE STRENGTH OF THE, OF NOT NECESSARILY, BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN USE A BACKUP OF, OF, OF THE GRID.
THE IDEA IS JUST TO THE POINT WE CAN REDUCE OUR ELECTRICAL FOOTPRINT.
WHATEVER WE CAN DO ON A SITE WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO.
TO BE, TO BE CLEAR, IT'S COME A LONG WAY AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DEFINITELY EXPLORE.
YOU HAVE AN IDEA TOO, TOM, GO AHEAD.
ONE THING, UM, TO CONSIDER POSSIBLY CONSIDER PARKING CANOPIES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENTERTAINING THAT IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TOWN.
SOLAR CAN, THE SOLAR CAN PIECE.
SO IT'S, YOU MIGHT REDUCE ONE OR TWO PARKING SPACES BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY ALREADY YEAH, I CAN, WE CAN SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S A VIABLE LAUNCH.
SUGGEST THAT WE'RE, WE CAN'T REQUIRE IT.
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IT.I, MY GUESS IS THAT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS WE WILL BE REQUIRING THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE TOWN, WE'RE JUST NOT, WE'RE NOT READY TO DO THAT YET.
THERE ARE EXAMPLES IN THE TOWN WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE SOLAR POWER CAN.
WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THE OPTIONS AND JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE FIND TO BE VIABLE AND, AND, AND FEASIBLE ON SITE.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD.
I'D LIKE TO HYDROELECTRIC SET THIS, UH, QUESTION.
WHOA, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO WRITE, WHEN IS THE TOM BOARD, DO YOU HAVE A SCHEDULED TOM BOARD MEETING YET? ANOTHER ONE? I BELIEVE WE, I BELIEVE WE DO.
SO, UM, WHY WE ASK THE APPLICANT, SHE SHOULD KNOW.
UM, WELL, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO ASK THE BOARD TONIGHT IS TO, UM, MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD SO THAT, SO THAT WE COULD GET BACK BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND OKAY.
WE ALSO HAVE TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING HERE.
SO THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE NEED TO DO.
I I'D SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE FLOOR TO GIVE THIS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, UH, TOM AND, AND JOHAN.
ALL OPPOSED WALTER AB SAYING I, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK.
I JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN TERMS OF, UH, WE'RE STILL GONNA GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO US ANYWAY.
BUT, BUT I THINK, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT ARE THE FOUR WAIVERS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? AND I I WANTED TO WE'LL SHOW YOU, EXPLAIN, YES.
CAN YOU PUT UP THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN? I I BELIEVE THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLANNING BOARD MEETING BEFORE THAT TOWN BOARD MEETING ON THE, THEIR SCHEDULE TOO.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.
ONE IS UNDER THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.
AND THAT HAS, THAT'S A FIVE FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT, UH, AROUND STORAGE AREAS.
BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION OF YOUR CODE, WHICH IS 2 85 DASH 38 H I BELIEVE.
WHICH SAYS THAT, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 10 FOOT WIDE, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFER, THE PARKING LOT AROUND ALL SIDES, UM, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD CAN WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT WHERE THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING PROVIDES SUFFICIENT SCREENING.
SO WE, WE, WE SUBMIT TO YOU, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT GREEN ALONG THAT ONE THAT'S THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS, UM, IS ALREADY QUITE EXTENSIVE.
UM, THAT THAT'S PART OF YOUR PROPERTY.
YEAH, SO THE, THE BROOK RUNS HERE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS KIND OF MEANDERS ALONG THE BROOK, UH, AND THIS IS ALL EXISTING FOREST TO REMAIN.
SO THAT'S A, SO ON THAT SIDE, YOU UP, YOU DON'T NEED A VEHICLE.
WELL, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IN HIS, IN HIS, UH, IN HIS DOCUMENT THOUGHT THAT WE DID.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DO, WE'RE ASKING FOR, WELL, YOU DO ON THE, WE DO ON THE NORTH SIDE.
BECAUSE THE CODE IS SPECIFIC WITH ALL SIDES, WITH RESPECT TO THE ALL SIDES THAT THERE'S A SIX FOOT EVERGREEN, DEFINITELY AN EVERGREEN SCREEN.
AND THAT SOUTHERN BUFFER, WHILE IT'S WIDE AND CONTAINS A LOT OF TREES, ISN'T SPECIFICALLY EVERGREEN.
NORTHERN BUFFER DOESN'T HAVE IT ANYWAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON THE NORTHERN BUFFER ANYWAY, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S UNITED REFRIGERATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOU.
SLIGHTLY HIGHER ELEVATION, I BELIEVE.
WE DON'T HAVE MUCH HIGHER ELEVATION SOON.
WELL, THE BUILDING'S, ANOTHER STORY IN IS IN, UH, A COMMERCIAL AREA.
NEITHER IT'S BEEN EXISTING IN THIS WAY.
AND THE TREES YOU'RE TAKING DOWN ARE TREES IN THE PARKING LOT, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PARKING LOT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS WHICH I, ONE, YEAH.
SO THERE, THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF TREES.
AND TO BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN IN THE, UM, PARKING ISLANDS CAN BE KIND OF LOOSELY DEFINED AS TREE.
YOU KNOW, KNOW THESE ARE RELATIVELY SMALL, NOT NECESSARILY IN GREAT CONDITION.
UH, TREES THAT ARE JUST IN THE, SOME OF THE EXISTING PARKING ISLANDS, THERE ARE A, A HANDFUL OF ADDITIONAL TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, UH, IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THAT'S PROVIDING, UH, FOR THE STORM
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WATER, UM, TREATMENT AND THEN THE, THE OUTLET, UH, IN THAT, IN THAT LOCATION.UH, AND THAT'S JUST RE REQUIRED BY THE DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER, UH, UH, TREATMENT, UH, SYSTEM.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU REDUCING THEM ALONG THAT, UH, THE, THE BUFFER ALONG THE ROOF? I'M SORRY, ARE, IS THERE ANY, ANY CLEANING UP THE, UM, STREAM AND, AND UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS TONIGHT OR WE COULD DISCUSS AS PART OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT CLEARANCE? SO, RIGHT.
UH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SITE VISIT INCLUDING, UH, OUR PARKS AND REC COMMISSIONER 'CAUSE OF THE SITE TO THE SOUTH.
AND THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP THE WATERCOURSE AREA AS IT MEANDERS THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.
DEBRIS AND DOWN LOGS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
ALSO WANTED TO MENTION ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WE HAD BROUGHT UP EARLIER ON THAT THERE, WHILE THERE ARE SOME TREES ALONG THAT EDGE, UH, MAJORITY OF THEM ARE SCRAGGLY INVASIVE SPECIES.
AND WE WANTED THE APPLICANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AREA TO SEE MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO START OVER.
UM, WE KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE OVER THERE, BUT IF YOU KNOW THE NORWAY MAPLES AND OTHER INVASIVES THAT SOME ARE STORM DAMAGED, OTHERS ARE, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTED GROWTH AND COULD POSSIBLY CONSIDER, I SEE.
AS YOU GET FURTHER TO THE EAST, UH, ALONG THAT NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S A ROW OF EVERGREENS.
BUT IN THAT OTHER GREEN SECTION KIND OF BEHIND THE BUILDING, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY YEAH.
TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT VEGETATION.
AND WE UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE SMALL ARBOR BIDES BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ROOM.
TWO, TWO THINGS ON, I JUST ON THAT NOTE, AARON, UH, UM, FIRST AND REALLY FOREMOST A AMONG THEM IS THAT THE MAJORITY, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF, OF THOSE TREES HERE, UM, ARE ON OR VERY, VERY CLOSE TO, OR ARE IN FACT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE, THE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS NOT LOOKING FOR THEM TO BE REMOVED.
UM, OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT IS IN HIS PROPERTY OR, OR, OR OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THOSE TO BE CLEARED.
UM, SO I GUESS WE'RE LIMITED IN, IN OUR ABILITY TO, TO TAKE DOWN TREES THAT ARE, THAT POTENTIALLY ARE ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THAT I DO BELIEVE THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ROCK, UH, THROUGH HERE.
SO PLANTING THERE MAY BE CHALLENGING, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET IN FIELD AND FURTHER DISCUSS.
DIDN'T, UH, OUR
I JUST, UM, WHY DON'T WE LET HIM DO THAT? AND I HAVE ONE COMMENTS.
YEAH, THIS IS, UH, WILLIAM SLATER WITH KIMLEY HORN.
UM, ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED IN THIS, UH, REVIEW RIGHT HERE IS THAT THE SIDEWALK DOESN'T CONTINUE FROM THE SIGNALED DRIVEWAY TO THE NORTHERN DRIVEWAY, UM, AS WELL AS A CROSSWALK ACROSS THAT SIGNALED DRIVEWAY.
UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD, SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE PLAN JUST TO NOTE.
SO WE AGAIN, WE'RE UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH, UM, WITH THE TOWN AND WITH, UH, THE D O T AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE PERMITTED AND WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUESTED AND REQUIRED.
AND WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THE FINER DETAILS OF, UH, ANY, ANY PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
AND IF THAT, LEMME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
YOUR PROPERTY NOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE PARKING SPACES, HOW FAR ARE THEY FROM, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY? IS THERE ROOM FOR A SIDEWALK THERE WITH THE WAY THIS THING IS LAID OUT NOW? NOT ON THE PROPERTY.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE COM IT WOULD BE IN THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE BEHOLDEN TO, YOU KNOW, ONE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIRE OF THE TOWN TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN STATE ROAD, UH, FACILITIES THROUGH THERE, BUT WE'RE ALSO BEHOLDEN TO WHAT THE D O T WILL PERMIT ALLOW.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND, AND THE, THE APPLICANT'S COMMITTED TO, YOU KNOW, DOING ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
WE HAD THE APPLICANT FOR WEST EAST'S 2.0 COORDINATE WITH D O T ON THE SIDEWALKS.
I THINK THAT'S AT LEAST, LEAST SHOULD, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, UNITED REFRIGERATION CONSIDERING A SIDEWALK GOING EXPANSION UP TO HUNTER LANE WHERE THAT BUS STOP IS.
SO THIS WOULD FACILITATE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? AND THEN WE'LL GO, GO REVISIT.
LET'S GO BACK AND REVISIT WHERE WE WERE.
'CAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE VOTE WAS ANYMORE.
NO, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I, PEOPLE SEEMED IN THE MIDDLE TO CHANGE.
SO LET'S START ALL OVER AGAIN.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TO GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SITE PLAN? SO MOVED.
UH, JOHANN, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
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ONE ABSTENTION THAT PASSES.SO YOU, YOU'LL GET YOUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT WILL BE IN THAT RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WE'VE PUT IN THERE.
DO YOU WANNA BULLET THOSE? YES, PLEASE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
THERE'S ONE, RIGHT? SIDEWALK, THERE'S TWO.
UM, ALL ALTERNATIVE ENERGY OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT FOOT.
I THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT I REMEMBER.
AND THE, UH, STREAM AREA CLEANUP? UH, THE STREAM CLEANUP.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE GOING TO INCLUDE IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE'S SOME EFFORT ABOUT ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO LIST THEM NOW.
SO NOW IT'S, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THEN LET'S SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS THE 7TH OF JUNE.
AND THAT'LL BE ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO STAFF WILL DRAFT UP THIS RECOMMENDATION.
BE ABLE TO GET IT OVER TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO REAL SURPRISES THERE.
IT ALL, WE, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TOWN BOARD DOES.
THERE'S NO SEEKER 'CAUSE IT'S A TYPE TWO.
SO PROCEDURALLY, BEFORE WE KIND OF BUTTON THIS UP IS I'VE SPOKEN WITH GARRETT AND FROM, UH, THE STANDPOINT OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT VERSUS THE SITE PLAN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS GONNA BE ALLOWABLE VIA THE SPECIAL PERMIT PRIOR TO THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDERING, OR A DECISION ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO MOVING FORWARD WITH SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FOR THE PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT ON JUNE 7TH, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE TEMPLE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
YOU HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THE TOWN BOARD ON THIS YET, RIGHT? NO.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK FOR A WORK SESSION, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
WE, IT'S KIND OF GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE SEESAW.
WE, WE WILL BE IN A POSITION TO GIVE YOU THE SPECIAL TO DECIDE, NOT NECESSARILY GIVE YOU, DECIDE, DECIDE THE, THE, THE SPECIAL PERMIT BEFORE.
UM, THEY, THEY MAKE A DECISION ON THE SIDE PLAN.
WE'LL INCLUDE THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING THE, UH, NICE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED AND STORMWATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.