[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, May 18, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Please Take Notice that the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Town of Greenburgh will hold a Public Hearing on Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00 p.m. The meeting will take place in the Town Hall auditorium, 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY, and online via Zoom. If you would like to participate via Zoom please pre-register through the Department of Community Development and Conservation by emailing publichearing@greenburghny.com or calling 914-989-1530, specifying the application(s) that you would like to speak on. Instructions to participate will then be emailed to you. All persons interested in viewing the meeting live can do so via the Town’s website at https://ny-greenburgh.civicplus.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings or local Altice Channel 76 and Verizon/FiOS Channel 35. In addition, individuals may submit comments via email to publichearing@greenburghny.com, or regular mail to Town of Greenburgh, attn: CD&C, 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY, 10607, and such comments will be made part of the record. Application materials can be found at the following link: https://greenburghny.com/596/_-Active-Applications---Zoning-Board-of-Appeals ]
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GOOD EVENING ALL, AND WE'RE HERE AT THE ZONING BOARD APPEAL.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 18TH, 2023.
AND WE HAVE NUMBER AUR THE NEXT, UM, MEETING FOR THE BOARD, THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
SHOULD I START ALL OVER AGAIN? NOW I CAN HEAR.
OKAY, I'LL START ALL OVER AGAIN.
WE ARE HERE AT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MAY 18TH, 2023.
WE HAVE SEVEN CASES THAT WERE ON THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA, HOWEVER, CASE 2305 UNITED REFRIGERATION HAS REQUESTED AN ADJOURNMENT TO THE JUNE 15TH MEETING, AND THE NEXT MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD, IN FACT, IS INDEED JUNE 15TH.
PLEASE, UH, BE AWARE THAT IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU SHOULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
IF YOU ARE IN FACT IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU ARE ON THE ZOOM, UH, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE YOU ON THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN BE HEARD.
IN ANY EVENT, PLEASE, IF YOU ARE NOT IN AN APPLICANT AND YOU ARE SPEAKING, PLEASE SPELL YOUR NAME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LIVE STENOGRAPHER HERE, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP A RECORD OF THESE PROCEEDINGS IN THE EVENT FOR, UM, POSSIBLE FUTURE USE FOR APPEALS OR OTHER PURPOSES.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, MADAM, I JUST CALL BOTH.
I COULDN'T, I CAN'T HEAR GARRETT.
AND FOR THE RECORD, WILLIAM BLAND AND PAULINE MOSTLY ARE NOT PRESENT.
DID YOU HEAR EVERYONE ELSE? I DIDN'T HEAR WHEN GARRETT FIRST STARTED.
UH, WE JUST DID ROLL CALL AND PRESENT THIS EVENING ARE SHAUNA KINSON, DIANE UBERLY, CHRISTY CONNECT, EVE BUNTING, SMITH, AND LOUIS CRITCHLOW.
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT IF, UM, THE OTHER CASES, ANY OF THE OTHER CASES WE ARE HEARING HAS BEEN, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WISH TO PRESENT REGARDING THOSE, PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD.
AND IF ANYTHING IS SUBMITTED IN THE RECORD, IT BECOMES PART OF THE RECORD SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ IT NECESSARILY TO US.
AND THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE ON TONIGHT'S, OH, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO HAVE HAD HO WHO WHO WISHED TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GIVE ANY INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO CASE 2305 UNITED REFRIGERATION? OKAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE THAT, UH, IS ON OUR AGENDA IS CASE 2306 DOCTRINE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID BARB, BEAUTY ARCHITECT, REPRESENTING, UH, THE OWNERS OF 23 CASTLE WALK.
UH, WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH REQUESTING, UH, FOUR VARIANCES, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE, MINIMUM, UH, MAXIMUM FLOOR RATIO, MAXIMUM WIDTH OF A DRIVEWAY AND DISTANCE FROM THE SIDE YARD, PROPERTY LINE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, WE HAD CORRESPONDENCE BACK, UM, AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BOARD LAST MEETING.
IF THERE WAS A WAY WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THEM.
UM, I CAN GO THROUGH THOSE, MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF YOU LIKE.
UM, SO ONE WAS CONSIDERED SCALING BACK TO PROPOSED DRIVEWAY TO REDUCE THE VARIANCE SAW.
SO, UH, WE REDUCED THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY SIZE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 37 FEET, REDUCING IT BY 6.18 FEET.
UM, AS DEPICTED ON MY SP ONE DRAWING, UM, DRAWING SP FOUR, THE PROPOSED SITE LOT CALCULATIONS INDICATE THE REDUCED SIZE.
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I ALSO HAVE A DASH LINE INDICATING WHERE THE PROPOSED CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY IS VERSUS WHERE THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY WAS OR EXISTING.UM, BY DECREASING THE SIZE OF THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, WE ALSO REDUCED THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR A VARIANCE REQUEST OF 32.5 FEET.
UM, ALL THE TABLES HAVE BEEN, UM, CLARIFIED AND REVISED.
UH, SECOND WAS SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
UM, I SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD, UH, VIA EMAIL, UM, NEIGHBORS AT, UM, THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF THE BODY'S PROPERTY, UM, INDICATING SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED WORK.
LASTLY, THE LAST COMMENT, NUMBER THREE, UH, WAS PROVIDE A MARKUP PLAN THAT CLEARLY INDICATES THE DIMENSION TO BE LEGALIZED.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, THE DIMENSION TO BE LEGALIZED, UM, IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO AN EXISTING, UH, SIDE YARD PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THE ACCESS FRONT OFF OF THE CUL-DE-SAC INTO THE PROPERTY IS 29 FEET.
SO ANY PLACE THEY PLACED, ANYWHERE THEY PLACED THAT DRIVEWAY, IT WOULD'VE REQUIRED A VARIANCE IN 94 WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS MISSED.
WE'RE TRYING TO LEGALIZE IT AT THIS POINT.
UH, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.
WILL YOU BE USING ANY PERMEABLE PAVERS IN THIS, OR ARE YOU PLANNING ON YOU PAVING THE WHOLE? SO WE REALLY DIDN'T, UM, DISCUSS MATERIALS AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WE WOULD KEEP THE BLACKTOP PAVEMENT OFF THE ROAD, AND I WOULD PRESUME THAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A DESIGN IN BELGIUM BLOCK AROUND THE CIRCULAR AREA.
YOU KNOW, IT'LL HAVE JOINTS IN IT.
IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, PERVIOUS, BUT IT WILL HAVE SOME JOINTS IN IT.
AND, AND THE, THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE, THE CENTER, I NOTICED THAT GOT SMALLER.
WHAT'S ORIGINALLY, WE HAD A PLANTING AREA.
ORIGINALLY WE HAD A PLANTING AREA IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH WAS A CIRCLE INSIDE THE CIRCLE THAT HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.
UH, RIGHT NOW THE BOX THAT I SHOW IS A DRAIN FOR DRAINAGE.
CAN YOU BRING THAT A LITTLE CLOSER, UH, BECAUSE I CAN'T QUITE MAKE IT OUT FOR ME.
SO ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY WAS BASICALLY THIS, LEMME USE A PEN, IT'S EASIER OR, SO THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY CAME IN OFF THE STREET, CAME THIS WAY, WAS RECTANGLED OFF TO THE GARAGE, CAME BACK AROUND, MADE A SUR UH, PART OF A CURVE, AND THEN WENT BACK OUT.
WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY COMING INTO THE PROPERTY, THUS HOLDING THAT 1.4, NOT GETTING ANY CLOSER, STARTING A CURVE TO START A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY.
AND THE REASON REALLY FOR THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY IS JUST MANEUVERABILITY TO GET OUT INSTEAD OF BACKING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DID EVERYONE SEE THAT? COULD YOU HOLD UP THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL? DO YOU HAVE THAT OR? OH, I PROBABLY COULD FIND IT.
WE HAVE THAT DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN.
IS SOMEBODY'S SPEAKING BECAUSE I'M NOT HE HEARING ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE OUR MICROPHONES ON? OKAY.
SO JUST, UM, IF WE COULD, IF YOU'RE ON THE BOARD AND YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING INTO THE MIC, MAKE SURE YOUR MICS ARE OFF.
IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK TO BE ON THE RECORD, MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON.
I HAD, UM, MY MICROPHONE WAS OFF.
YOU RELAY AND I HAD ASKED TO SEE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, WHICH WE FOUND, AND WE HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S NO LEGALIZATION ASPECT OF THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY.
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ULTIMATELY, THIS IS A FLAG LOCK, SO THE DRIVEWAY INHERENTLY HAS TO BE WITHIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.THE SIDE YARD SETBACK ACTUALLY STARTS AT THE FRONT YARD LINE, THEREFORE THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY WAS CONFORMING.
AND, UM, THAT ASPECT DOES NOT NEED TO BE LEGALIZED.
SO THEY'RE REQUESTING THE THREE VARIANCES, UM, THAT ARE IN THE UPDATED, UH, Z B A DETERMINATION LETTER.
JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON FOR ENLARGING THE DRIVEWAY IS FOR EASE OF TURNING AROUND.
RIGHT? IT'S SO TRYING TO BACK AN SS U V OUT OF THE GARAGE TO, YOU'D BE BACKING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS IS THEY'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE THERE SO THEY COULD ACTUALLY BACK OUT MANEUVER A LITTLE BIT JUST TO GET IT OUT SO THEY CAN PULL FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? I AM LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD, SIR? I, NO.
AND THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 23 0 8 40 MILL REALTY AND 10 SAWMILL REALTY.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS, UH, KATE ROBERTS FEINMAN, UH, SPELLED F E I N M A N, HERE FROM ZIN.
AND STEIN METZ ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WITH ME IS ALSO JOE ELLI OF KELLER SESSIONS, THE PROJECT ENGINEER.
WE WERE BEFORE YOUR BOARD LAST MONTH WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE REQUESTED VARIANCES, WHICH ARE NECESSARY TO CONTINUE ITS EXISTING BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY WHILE IMPROVING OVERALL FUNCTIONALITY AND CIRCULATION.
AS A REFRESHER, THE BUSINESS STARTED OUT AT 30 DASH 40 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
YOUR BOARD GRANTED VARIANCES WHEN THE OWNER REQUIRED 50 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND THEN SINCE 2021, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUIRED TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WHICH NOW THE REVISIONS TO THE VARIANCES PREVIOUSLY GRANTED, DURING THE MEETING LAST MONTH, YOUR BOARD HAD QUESTIONED WHETHER CERTAIN SCREENING VARIANCES WERE REQUIRED FROM 2021 THAT WERE REQUIRED, ARE REQUIRED IN THIS ITERATION OF THE PLAN, WHICH PROMPTED A CALL WITH TOWN STAFF AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO CONFIRM ALL THE VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UPON FURTHER REVIEW, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ISSUED A NEW VARIANCE DETERMINATION CONFIRMING THAT ONE ADDITIONAL, UM, THAT NO SCREENING VARIANCES WERE REQUIRED.
BUT HE DID IDENTIFY THAT TWO ADDITIONAL VARIANCES WERE REQUIRED FOR THE PLAN, WHICH I IDENTIFIED IN THE CHART IN OUR SUBMISSION, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH.
SO WE NOW REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL TWO VARIANCES.
FIRST, THE DISTANCE FROM THE STORAGE TO THE NORTH LOT LINE AND THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THE NORTH.
UM, SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE WE'RE REQUESTING A ZERO FOOT SETBACK.
UH, DURING DELIBERATIONS AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, YOUR BOARD ADJOURNED AND ISSUED A ADJOURNED AND ISSUED A CORRESPONDENCE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, INCLUDING SITE PLAN DRAWINGS WITH COLORED SHADING, DELINEATING CERTAIN FEATURES, AND SUPERIMPOSING
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THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ON THE EXISTING PLAN.I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JOE ELLI TO GO THROUGH THESE PLANS, AND THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOUR BOARD MAY HAVE FOR US.
UH, JOE MELLI FROM KARD SESSIONS CONSULTING.
UH, WE ARE THE, COULD YOU SPELL THAT FOR THE GRAPHER, PLEASE? THE, MY LAST NAME? WELL, THAT, OR, OR THE COMPANY.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE WHOLE THING.
UH, AND KARD IS K E L L A D SESSIONS, S E S S I OS.
CONSULTING, UH, WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND AS KATE JUST MENTIONED, UM, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS, THIS PLAN THAT WE PREPARED, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT THE VARIOUS, UH, AREAS OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE USED FOR.
THE AREAS SHADED IN GREEN, WHICH ARE PREDOMINANTLY ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, ARE THE EXISTING VEGETATED AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN AS SUCH.
AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY HAS A, A STEEPY STEEPLY SLOPING GRADE TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES UP ABOVE.
AND THAT'S, UH, LARGELY JUST AN EXISTING WOODED HILLSIDE THAT WOULD REMAIN.
UM, THE AREAS SHADED IN THAT ORANGE COLOR ARE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE FOR OUR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY AREAS.
WE'RE LIMITING THE HEIGHT TO SIX FEET, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, THE GATED THE NEED FOR THE PRIOR SCREENING VARIANCES.
UH, SO YOU'LL SEE FROM THE FIGURE THERE, UH, AGAIN, UH, LARGELY ALONG THE FRONT PERIMETER, ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, AND, UH, THE CENTRAL, NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN SECTIONS OF THE REAR OF THE SITE, THE IDEA BEING, UH, WITH THE PURCHASE OF THESE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES, THE IDEA HERE IS TO, UH, LAY OUT THE STORED MATERIALS IN A WAY THAT PROMOTES INTERNAL ACCESS THROUGH THE SITE AND EASE OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR BOTH THE, THE OWNER AND THE, THE END USER, THE PURCHASERS.
UM, SO WE'VE MAINTAINED A, BASICALLY A 24 FOOT WIDE ACCESS ROAD THROUGH THE SITE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, UH, AND THEN USING THE, IT'S A VERY LONG LINEAR NARROW SITE.
SO MAINTAINING THAT CLEAR ROAD THROUGH THE SITE ENABLES US TO THEN USE THE, THE FRONT AND REAR SECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY FOR STORAGE OF VARIOUS MATERIALS, WHETHER IT BE PAVERS OR STONE OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER ITEMS THAT HE SELLS IN HIS BUSINESS.
THE, UH, THE TWO AREAS SHADED IN YELLOW ARE FOR BULK STORAGE OF MATERIALS SUCH AS SAND, GRAVEL, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LOOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE TYPICALLY PURCHASED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE PRODUCTS, PAVERS IN STONE.
UH, SO THOSE ARE MAINTAINED IN STORAGE BINS ON THE SITE IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, THE AREAS SHADED IN THAT PURPLE COLOR, UH, AT THE NORTH END AROUND THE RETAIL BUILDING ARE FOR THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES FOR THE CUSTOMER.
UH, SOMEONE LIKE YOU OR I PULLING IN, IN A STANDARD VEHICLE WOULD ACCESS THE RETAIL STORE FROM THAT NORTH ENTRANCE PARK IN THOSE SPACES.
DO YOUR SHOPPING, PICK YOUR MATERIALS, UM, MEET WITH A CONSULTANT SALESMAN, SO ON, AND THEN EVENTUALLY LEAVE THE SITE.
UH, WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN, UH, ON OCCASION IS ONCE YOU'VE MADE THAT SELECTION AND YOU WANT TO GO SEE IT, MAYBE A SAMPLE AT A LATER DATE OR COMPARE SOME SAMPLES, THERE ARE MATERIALS STORED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SITE.
SO THAT SAME CUSTOMER MAY, MAY, IF THEY CHOOSE PARK AT THE SOUTHERN END, AND AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE SPACES SHADED IN PURPLE, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN WALK THAT AREA OF THE SITE WITH A SALESPERSON AND VISUALLY INSPECT, YOU KNOW, LIVE SAMPLES AND, AND HOLD THE STONE AND, AND GET TO SEE THE, THE COLOR OF VARIATIONS AND WHATNOT IN THE, UH, VARIOUS MATERIALS.
UM, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE BULK OF THE, THE PREDOMINANT USES FOR THE SITE.
UH, AGAIN, IT IT'S ALL ABOUT MAINTAINING INTERNAL CONNECTION.
UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES, IT'S, IT WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE, UH, THE OWNER AS WELL AS, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE CUSTOMER, UH, EXPERIENCE AT THE SITE.
UM, I, I CAN SHOW YOU, UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, I'LL SHOW YOU.
YOU HAD ASKED ALSO FOR A COMPARISON PLAN OF WHAT YOUR BOARD PREVIOUSLY GRANTED VARIANCES FOR VERSUS WHAT WE'RE SEEKING NOW.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE, I COULD PULL THAT PLAN UP.
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AND, AND THIS PLAN FOCUSES ONLY ON THE ORIGINAL NORTHERN PARCEL.OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER TWO WEREN'T IN PLAY AT THE TIME.
SO THIS, THIS PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE IS OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
AND THIS IS AN OVERLAY OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND VARIANCES WERE GRANTED FOR.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE PLAN IS LARGELY THE SAME AS WHAT YOU HAD SEEN WITH SOME VERY MINOR EXCEPTIONS.
I'LL, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THEM NOW.
UH, ALL OF THE, THE EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING OBVIOUSLY STAYS AS IS THERE WERE AND STILL ARE PARKING SPACES PROPOSED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT BUILDING SPACES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
UM, THERE WERE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS IN THE PARKING, UH, SPACES.
NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE ARE OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL FOR A D A ACCESSIBILITY AND SPACE NUMBER FOUR, AND AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE IN NUMBER FIVE.
UH, THE PRIOR PLAN HAD, UH, SIX PARKING SPACES ALONG THAT WHERE THE STORAGE BINS ARE SHOWN NOW, UM, IN THE AREA JUST TO THE NORTH OPPOSITE THE ENTRY DRIVE.
SO IN LIEU OF THE, WE'VE MODIFIED THE PARKING SPACES SLIGHTLY, REPLACED THEM WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SORTING BINS.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE ADDED SPACES AT THE SOUTHERN PARCEL THAT WE'VE RECENTLY ACQUIRED.
SO THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE TWO PLANS.
YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, THE FENCING TO THE SOUTH OF THE NORTHERN DRIVE.
UH, WE DID MOVE IT FURTHER OUT, CLOSER TOWARDS THE PROPERTY LINE, STILL ON SITE, BUT WE DID SHIFT IT A COUPLE OF FEET FROM WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
THE, THE PRIOR PLAN, UH, IF YOU COULD SEE THAT STRAIGHT FENCE LINE THAT RUNS JUST BELOW THAT, UH, THAT HATCHED STORAGE AREA, THAT WAS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
WE HAVE SINCE MOVED THAT FENCE LINE TO THE PROPERTY LINE JUST TO GAIN SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE IN THE PROPERTY.
HELPS US WITH THE, THE STORAGE MATERIALS, HELPS US WITH THE INTERNAL ACCESS.
UH, AND THEN THE FINAL CHANGE, UH, IS THE PROPOSED STORAGE BUILDING AT THE REAR OF THE ACCESSORY.
THE, THE EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO BE AN OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY AREA.
WE'VE SINCE, UM, DONE AWAY WITH THAT IDEA.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A, UH, SMALL TEMPORARY STORAGE BUILDING BEHIND THERE TO ENCLOSE THAT AREA.
THE MATERIALS INSIDE THOSE TYPES OF MATERIALS ARE TYPICALLY, UH, SAND, CEMENT, MORTAR, THINGS THAT NEED TO STAY OUTTA THE WEATHER.
UH, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN BAGS AND PALLETS AND WE'D LIKE TO STORE THEM INSIDE THE BUILDING.
SO THAT, UM, THOSE ARE THE EXTENTS OF THE CHANGES FROM THE PRIOR PLAN TO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THEM? I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM ON THE FIRST PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR IF A BOARD MEMBER, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY'S SPEAKING.
UM, ON THE FIRST PLAN YOU SHOWED ON THE SOUTH END IN WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE ROADWAY, YOU HAVE FIVE BOXES.
WHAT ARE THOSE? THAT WAS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE SPACE ON SITE FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING OF THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS.
SO ON A TYPICAL DAY, THE EMPLOYEES TYPICAL COME TO THE SITE, THEY WOULD GET IN THOSE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE MAKING DELIVERIES OR GOING TO JOB SITES.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARK THEM ON SITE.
THE, UM, THE SCREENING OF THE STORAGE THAT THOSE FOUR VARIANCES THAT ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED, THE SIX FEET HEIGHT SCREENING.
IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING A FENCE UP OR WHAT? WE, WE HAVE FENCES CURRENTLY, WE'RE LIMITING OUR DISPLAY IN STORAGE AREAS TO NO MORE THAN SIX FEET.
PREVIOUSLY WE, I BELIEVE I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
AND, AND KATE, MAYBE YOU, YOU COULD SPEAK BETTER TO IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WEREN'T AT THE TIME, OR THE OWNER AT THE TIME WASN'T LIMITING THE HEIGHT AT WHICH HE WAS GOING TO STOCKPILE OR STORE MATERIALS.
WE'VE, WE'VE AGREED TO MAINTAIN A SIX FOOT HEIGHT.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THIS REQUIREMENT IS IF YOUR STORAGE IS OVER SIX FEET, THERE ARE SPECIFIC SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THE SIX FEET, THOSE WERE NO LONGER NECESSARY PER THE BUILDING.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON, UM, EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SO YOU HAVE, UM, AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND GOING OUT IN TRUCKS DURING THE DAY.
AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE FACILITY, WHERE ARE THEY PARKING THEIR CARS? THEY HAVE ANOTHER YARD, UH, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
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DO IS, UH, CARPOOL THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEY ALL START THEIR DAY DOWN THE ROAD AT THE, UH, THEY HAVE ANOTHER, THEIR MAIN OFFICE AND ANOTHER YARD THERE WITH, UH, EQUIPMENT VEHICLES.THEY START THEIR DAY THERE AND THEN MAKE THEIR WAY TO THIS SITE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PARKING THEIR VEHICLES AT THIS PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? APPARENTLY NOT.
AND THE FIRST NEW CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2310.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN EASY ONE.
SO FOR, FOR ME, I'M LOOKING TO GET, UH, TWO VARIANCES, UH, TWO AREA VARIANCES.
ONE IS THE POSITION OF MY POOL, UM, AND THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE IMPERVIOUS, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, TO TOUCH ON THE POOL, THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THE POOL WERE BASICALLY, FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD OR INSTRUCTED BY MY, UM, POOL INSTALLER.
HE'S BASICALLY MENTIONED THE ORIGINAL DESIGN SITS UNDERNEATH THE TREES.
AND WHAT IT WOULD CAUSE IS ISSUES AROUND, UH, THE TREES THAT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, IN, IN TERMS OF ROUTE.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS TO, UH, EFFECTIVELY ROTATE THE POOL 90 DEGREES.
SO NOW THE POOL DOESN'T SIT BEHIND THE HOUSE.
IT SITS PARTLY ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE EFFECTIVELY.
AND THEN ALSO IT, IT ALLOWS ME TO ACTUALLY USE ALL SIDES OF MY POOL BECAUSE ONE IS CLOSER TO THE ROCK WALL OF MY PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN, UM, LASTLY, IT'S REALLY AROUND EFFICIENCY.
UM, HAVING THE POOL UNDERNEATH THE TREES, YOU KNOW, TAKES AWAY THE SUN.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE MAINTENANCE, IT KNOW DUE TO TREE FULL, ET CETERA.
UM, THE SECOND VARIANCE I'M ASKING FOR IS DUE TO IMPERVIOUS.
I HAVE A FLAG LOT THAT I PURCHASED IN JUNE, 2020.
UM, MY DRIVEWAY IS 185 FEET LONG, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS, AND EFFECTIVELY WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS ROUGHLY 15% OF MY OVERALL LOT.
UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY ALSO TAKES UP ABOUT 60% OF, UH, MY OVERALL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ALLOWANCE.
UM, AND ALL I WANT TO DO ON THE DRIVEWAY IS BASICALLY INSTEAD OF HAVING A 10 FOOT, UH, DRIVEWAY, AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF IS ONLY 15 FEET WIDE.
I NEEDED A VARIANCE BECAUSE THE ALLOWANCE OR THE RULES SAY THAT NEEDED TO BE 25 FEET WIDE.
UM, BUT THIS TIME AROUND I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A 12 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, LEAVING A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, EDGING ON THE SIDES, BUT IT'S ALSO AROUND SAFETY FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, WE HAVE A PROPANE TANK WHERE WE HAVE DELIVERIES AND HAVING BIG TRUCKS COME IN.
IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY DANGEROUS IF I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND ALSO FOR VISITORS.
NOW I DO WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MY NEIGHBOR ASKED AND MY NEIGHBORS HERE AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, ONE WAS AROUND THE STRUCT OR THE FENCING AROUND THE POOL, WHICH IS ALL IN THE PLANS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE A 54 INCH HIGH, UM, ALUMINUM, UH, GATE.
AND IT'S GONNA HAVE THE, THE CORRECT SAFETY FEATURES, YOU KNOW, UH, APPROVED BY THE, UH, BY NEW YORK STATE.
AND THEN, UM, IN REGARDS TO IMPERVIOUS, I'M ASKING FOR A COVERAGE OF 34.6%.
UM, SPEAKING TO MY ENGINEER, HE'S BASICALLY MENTIONED THAT DUE TO ALL THE COLEX AND DRAINAGE I HAVE, I HAVE ENOUGH COLEX AND DRAINAGE ON MY PROPERTY FOR 35%.
SO NOT ONLY DOES HE FEEL THAT IT'S A, IT'S OKAY, UM, THE ENGINEERING TEAM FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ALSO APPROVED IT.
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SO THEY BELIEVE THAT I HAVE THE PROPER DRAINAGE, UM, FOR THE IMPERVIOUS EXCEPTION.AND THEN THE LAST BIT IS, YOU KNOW, HIS QUESTION WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, AM I EXTENDING ONTO HIS PROPERTY FROM A DRIVEWAY PERSPECTIVE? UM, MY DRIVEWAY IS 15 FEET WIDE.
I'M ASKING TO BUILD A BLACKTOP OF 12 FEET WIDE.
SO I DO HAVE A FOOT AND A HALF ON EITHER SIDE.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES IN REGARDS TO HIS QUESTIONS, AND I'M HOPING THAT I ANSWER THOSE.
BUT I'M HERE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM YOU TWO.
CHARLIE, CURRENTLY IS THIS DRIVEWAY PAGE IT IS NOT.
SO, AND, AND, AND WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR THE DRIVER? WELL, COST IS, IS IS ONE.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M LUCKY THAT I WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY FINISH MY HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE DUE TO, I, I THOUGHT I BOUGHT AT THE RIGHT TIME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF BUILDING THE HOME WITH ALL, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, MATERIALS BEING 3, 4, 5 TIMES THE AMOUNT.
UM, TO BE QUITE HONEST, UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAINTENANCE FREE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HAVING PAVERS THROUGH THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY.
AND AGAIN, MY DRIVEWAY IS 185 FEET LONG.
ALRIGHT, HAVING PAVERS, UM, THE COST THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN QUOTED IS ABOUT $80,000.
UM, IF I JUST DO A BLACKTOP, IT'S MORE LIKE $30,000, RIGHT? SO COST IS A BIG FACTOR TO THAT.
AND LOOK, THE REALITY IS, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION SITE SINCE AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
I GET A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST COMING ONTO MY PROPERTY LOOKING, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WORK FROM HOME FOUR DAYS A WEEK, UM, FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST FINALLY LIKE TO FINISH IT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT IS DUE TO COSTS.
AND DID YOU LOOK AT ANY COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSIDE BEING CATER MIX THAT WOULD BRING YOUR COSTS DOWN AND ALSO AVOID, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU SPEAK.
AND LOOK AT ANY COMBINATIONS MM-HMM.
SO WHAT I DID LOOK AT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER COST ISSUE.
SO WHAT I DID LOOK AT IS HAVING BLACKTOP UP THE DRIVEWAY, BUT AS I, AS WE TURN INTO TO MAKE A RIGHT AFTER THE FENCE, TO HAVE PAVERS THERE, UM, TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT, UM, THAT WAS STILL, I JUST GOT, I JUST RECEIVED A QUOTE, UH, A WEEK AGO FOR $65,000.
ALRIGHT, SO IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE ABOUT COST AND, YOU KNOW, UM, HENCE WHY I'M, I'M LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET SOME TYPE OF IMPERVIOUS EXCEPTION.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY BECAUSE MY DRIVEWAY IS SO LONG, 185 FEET LONG DUE TO THE FLAG LOT THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT NARROWING THE DRIVEWAY FROM 12 FEET? UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU NEEDED TRUCKS TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR TRADITIONAL FEDEX OR U P S BOX TRUCK, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY AT THE VERY LEAST 10 FEET WIDE.
BUT I ALSO HAVE PROPANE DELIVERIES 'CAUSE I HAVE A PROPANE TANK DUE TO CON ED NOT WILLING TO ACTUALLY RUN PIPES THROUGH, UM, UH, TO MY HOME, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY TOO FAR FROM THE ROAD.
SO I NEED TO HAVE DELIVERIES AND I NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TRUCKS ACTUALLY COMING AND OUT OF THERE.
AND IT, IT BECOMES A BIT MORE DANGEROUS WHEN IT'S ONLY 10 FEET WIDE AS OPPOSED TO A 12 FOOT WIDE SURFACE.
AND HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, KEEPING THE DRIVEWAY AS A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY? IT'S NOT GRAVEL, IT'S DIRT RIGHT NOW IT IS UNFINISHED AND THE REASON WHY IT'S, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY IS BECAUSE I NEED TO, THE TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA COME IN TO LIFT THE POOL AND PUT IT IN THE GROUND WOULD DESTROY ANY OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I, I DID RECEIVE AN EXCEPTION BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO ACTUALLY WAIT TO THE POOL WAS ACTUALLY IN THE GROUND AND THEN FINISH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO AS OF NOW, I HAVE A TEMPORARY CO.
UM, BUT I'M WAITING FOR THE POOL TO GET INSTALLED TO ACTUALLY FINALIZE EVERYTHING ELSE.
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SO WOULD THE COST OF GRAVEL BE MORE OR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BLACKTOP? THE COST OF GRAVEL IS OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN BLACKTOP IS DEFINITELY LESS THAN BLACKTOP.HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, THERE'S MORE MAINTENANCE WITH GRAVEL AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IF I'M TRYING TO, AS AN EXAMPLE, I NEED TO TAKE MY TRASH ALL THE WAY FROM MY HOUSE ALL UP
YOU KNOW, UM, AND DOING THAT THROUGH GRAVEL, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO RAKE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I MEAN THAT IN ITSELF, IT IS JUST MORE MAINTENANCE.
I PREFER TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A BIT MAINTENANCE FREE, HENCE WHY I ALSO PURCHASE, UM, A FIBERGLASS POOL AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A GUNITE POOL BUILT BECAUSE I PREFER TO SPEND MY TIME WITH MY FAMILY AS OPPOSED TO MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY ITSELF, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
AND JUST FOR YOUR, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, YES.
THE AVERAGE LANE OF TRAFFIC IS 10 FEET WIDE.
10, BUT THEN WHEN, WHEN YOU NEED TO MAKE THE TURN INTO THE NO, YOU JUST SAID YOU NEED 12 FEET.
AN AVERAGE LANE OF TRAFFIC IS 10 FEET WIDE.
NOT THE VE THE VEHICLES ARE SMALLER THAN THAT.
WHAT'S THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR ENGINEER SUGGESTED OR YOU THOUGHT YOURSELF BASED UPON SOME EXPERIENCE YOU'VE HAD? SO MY DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC COMING IN, UM, AND THAT TURN, MY ENGINEER SUGGESTED THAT AS WELL AS MY CONTRACTOR TO SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT WIDER.
UM, AND, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT LOOK, UM, I, IT, IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY TYPE OF THING, RIGHT? MORE THAN ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IF, IF IT WAS, IF 10 FEET WIDE WAS ENOUGH, THEN I WOULDN'T MIND DOING 10 FEET WIDE.
BUT I WOULD PREFER TO BE A LITTLE BIT SAFE THAN SORRY.
AND A ASKING FOR THE EXTRA TWO FEET, YOU KNOW, UM, OF WIDTH.
I, I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL.
I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS SO LONG, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT EXPANSIVE THROUGHOUT OR COULD THE TURN BE ACCOMMODATED BY MAKING ONLY A PORTION OF IT WIDER, A PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY WIDER? WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CURB AND GETTING IN MM-HMM.
UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SAY I'M AN ENGINEER.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT THIS WAS INSTRUCTED, OR AT LEAST I CONSULTED WITH MY ENGINEER.
MY ENGINEER MADE THE DRAWINGS AS OF, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE.
UM, AND HE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE THE IDEAL THING TO DO TO GET A VARIANCE.
UM, BUT IF YOU'RE INSTRUCTING ME TO
SO THAT IS THE SAFETY CONCERN.
SO THAT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION OF IF WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT SAFE, THAT THAT AREA, WOULD THAT SUFFICE? MEANING MAKING THE TURN A LITTLE BIT WIDER? RIGHT.
UM, IF YOU MAKE THE TURN A LITTLE BIT WIDER, UM, I MEAN, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO ANSWER THIS YOURSELF.
BUT I, I NEED TO ACTUALLY GET THIS DONE.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S BEEN SINCE AUGUST THAT I, I'VE LIVED IN THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'VE ONLY SEEN YOU TONIGHT.
THAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH MY ENGINEER TO ACTUALLY GET THESE PLANS DONE.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT WITH, YOU KNOW, MY POOL AS WELL.
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AND GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TOWN, WHICH THE TOWN'S BEEN GREAT, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOW MAY.UM, AND, AND I THOUGHT THAT, LEMME ASK YOU SOMETHING.
DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO REACH ANYONE TONIGHT REACHING? PROBABLY NOT.
UM, BUT IS THE, SO I WILL START TO ASK THE QUESTION.
IS THE QUESTION, I MEAN, IS IT THE IMP YOU, I'M TRYING TO ANSWER IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A POSSIBILITY THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
MAKE A DECISION WITH REGARD TO THAT ISSUE OR NOT.
UM, YEAH, THE ONLY THING I, I MEAN I WOULD SEE IS THAT IT GETS CLOSER TO THE TEX, BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S AN EXTRA TWO FEET, I DON'T SEE IF IT'S GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE, BUT I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S MORE QUESTION AROUND THE IMPERVIOUS THAN ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IS THERE, SHOULD I JUST DO GRAVEL? IS IS THAT WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING ME TO DO? NO, NOT AT ALL.
I, I WOULDN'T DO GRAVEL FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE WHEN THE FIRST TIME TO EXACTLY.
YOU GOT A, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT.
I THINK FOR US, AT LEAST FOR ME, SPEAK TO MYSELF SURE.
IS YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AND THAT'S WHY YOU MEAN 12 FEET YEAH.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THE SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE TRUCKS, THE AVERAGE WIDTH OF A TRUCK IS LIKE SEVEN FEET AT OR BELOW SEVEN FEET.
THE AVERAGE WIDTH OF A CAR IS LIKE SIX.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHEEL BASE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BOX? THE WHOLE, LIKE THE WHOLE THING.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, SO, YOU HAVEN'T COME IN STREETS ARE LIKE AS, AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, OR 10 FEET WIDE, WHICH TRUCKS GO DOWN ALL THE TIME.
SO WE ARE JUST FOR ME, BUT THEY DON'T MAKE TURNS.
TURNING, THAT'S WHY TURNING, TURNING INTO THE LAND, INTO THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ALSO DIFFICULT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, SO IF WE, IF, IF WE GAVE A VARIANCE TO HAVE IT WIDER WHEN YOU'RE TURNING IN MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THERE IS TURNAROUND SPACE UP BY THE GARAGE MM-HMM.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, AT LEAST I DON'T, AGAIN, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF MM-HMM.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT 10 FEET WIDE AND THEN EXTEND IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
ULTIMATELY, IF THE GENTLEMAN WISHES TO, UM, COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, WE WOULD NEED NEED TO SEE THAT QUANTIFIED TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE VARIANCE GOES AWAY OR, RIGHT.
SO, UM, I, I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW, MY MINDFUL OF YOU GETTING ALL YOUR QUESTIONS IN FIRST, IF, IF YOU HAVE MORE, UM, AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
WELL, I, I THINK I'VE PINPOINTED MY CONCERN.
UM, AND IT COMES FROM THE PHOTO OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND YOURS MM-HMM.
BUT PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS, DOES IT FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THIS BEING DONE.
AND I ON THE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A LOT OF SPACES MM-HMM.
AND I'M TRYING TO SAY, DO YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE THEN IT, IT, IT JUST, WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE POOL, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS, IS NOW GONNA BE FILLED WITH GOOD THINGS.
SO, SO THE, THE POOL IS BEING, AND, AND I'M SORRY.
AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WHERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOUR FRONT DOOR IS PRETTY MUCH ALL BEING PAVED.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR FRONT DOOR.
I I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE FRONT.
IT, IT LOOKS WHERE, WHICH, WHICH, SO I, IT IS NOT ON HERE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE COMING UP THE DRIVEWAY MM-HMM.
AND THOSE ARE MY THREE GARAGE DOORS.
THAT'S, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE PAVED.
I'D SAY, AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THERE AREN'T ANY PHOTOS OF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOME.
SO I'M TRYING TO SEE DOES THIS MATCH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT.
SO, AND WITH YOU HAVING SO MUCH PAVING MM-HMM.
MANY TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE US FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE PICTURES OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOMES.
AND, AND WHAT THEIR AREAS LOOK LIKE TO ANSWER THAT CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUESTION.
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MY HOME IS A BRAND NEW HOME.IT'S A TUDOR HOME, UM, OR A MODERN TUDOR HOME.
I'VE, UM, IN TERMS OF CHARACTER, SOMEONE'S ACTUALLY JUST COPIED MY HOME MAYBE TWO MINUTES DOWN THE SAME ROAD.
UM, SO I WOULD THINK THAT, AND NOT ONLY THAT, THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN MY, MY DRIVEWAY TO ACTUALLY SEE MY HOME.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT IN TERMS OF CHARACTER, MY HOME DOES FIT WITHIN THE TOWN OF, YOU KNOW, EDGEMONT, SCARSDALE, WHICHEVER YOU, HOWEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
UM, AND THEN THE POOL ITSELF, IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION OF THE POOL, IT'S STILL FAR ENOUGH FROM THE SETBACK WHERE, WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
SO THEY'RE STILL 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF WHERE THE POOL IS GONNA GO.
UM, AND I THINK THE REQUIREMENT IS 10 FEET.
SO THE POOL IS NOT DISTURBING ANY OF MY NEIGHBOR'S LAND.
AND THE PLAN IS ONCE THE POOL IS IN TO ALSO FINISH MY LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FINALLY FINALIZE THE ENTIRE, UM, PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THE POOL IS WHERE, IN TERMS OF REGULATION AND THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S WELL WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF.
UM, YES, MY NEIGHBOR HAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, UM, ON AND ON HIS SIDE OF THE LAND, BUT I'M JUST REALLY LOOKING AT MY SIDE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ADHERE TO ALL THE, THE PROPERTY LINE SETBACKS EFFECTIVELY.
UM, AND WE ARE, WE ARE AWAY FROM THE ROCKS IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT.
I'M, WE ARE AWAY FROM MY HOME AT THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE RIGHT AMOUNT AS WELL.
IN LINE WITH THAT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR? UM, OR ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO PERHAPS ANY TYPE OF SCREENING WHERE THE POOL IS, I REALIZE THAT YOU ARE WITHIN THE PROPER SETBACK, BUT UM, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO LIKE THINGS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY SCREENING, LIKE A FENCE? NO, NO, NO.
IT COULD BE A FENCE, IT COULD BE VEGETATION.
OH, SO, SO, AND, AND THAT IS ANOTHER THING, RIGHT? SO, UM, BASED ON MY, UM, LANDSCAPE AND ARCHITECT, RIGHT, I'M MEANT TO HAVE MORE TREES AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT WILL PROVIDE A BIT MORE PRIVACY, UM, AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT I CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL THE POOL IS ACTUALLY INSERTED.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, DOING? OH, OH, YES.
UH, SO YEAH, WE, WE PLAN TO HAVE A FENCE IN ADDITION TO THE FENCE, DEFINITELY.
UM, WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING TO PLANT 22 MORE TREES, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL PROVIDE SCREENING NOT ONLY ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE HOUSE AS WELL.
WHEN YOU SAY 22 MORE, THAT'S NOT ON THE PLAN, CURRENT PLAN, SO, NO, THEY'RE ALL ON THE PLAN.
SO THE, THE PLAN, BASICALLY, WE'VE ALREADY PLANTED HALF OF THE TREES THAT'S ON THE PLAN.
WE DID NOT PLAN ANY OF THE TREES ON THE POOL SIDE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE POOL NEEDS TO BE IN, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PLANT THE TREES.
BUT THERE'S 22 MORE TREES ACTUALLY COMING.
COULD YOU JUST SO WE OH, OH, SORRY.
SO ARE THIS, ARE THOSE THE TREES THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THAT YOU PLANTED? NO, NO, NO, NO.
THOSE ARE HIS, THOSE ARE HIS TREES.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE, I'M, I'M, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF THE TREES BECAUSE I JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW WHATEVER THE ARCHITECT ACTUALLY PUT IN PLACE.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TREES ALSO ALONGSIDE ON MY PROPERTY LINE, SO THAT'S DIRECTLY ON HIS PROPERTY LINE.
UM, OR MAYBE A FOOT OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT I'M ALSO GONNA HAVE TREES ALONG THAT LINE AS WELL.
WHAT HEIGHT, IF YOU KNOW? SO SOME OF THEM, UM, SOME OF THEM ARE, IT RANGES FROM SEVEN TO 10, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND WHEN YOU SAY TREES, DO YOU MEAN DECIDUOUS TREES OR NON DECIDUOUS?
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY REALLY EVERGREENS OR NON NON EVERGREENS.OH, SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE EVERGREENS.
SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE EVERGREENS, SO THERE'S SOME ALVI, ET CETERA.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, THE ARCHITECT ACTUALLY MADE UP THE PLANS, THERE WAS SOME OXYGEN CODE OR LEVEL THAT WE HAD TO ADHERE TO WHEN WE KNOCKED DOWN THE NUMBER OF TREES FOR THE LAND ITSELF.
SO ALL, ALL I WOULD BE DOING IS, WELL, MY CONTRACTOR WOULD BE BRINGING IN THE TREES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ADHERE TO THE PLANS THAT ALREADY EXIST, AND THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO NOT, NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.
THERE, THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENTS.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE MY WIFE WANTS MORE BUSHES AROUND SOMEWHERE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE NOTHING ADDITIONAL.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, THE PLANS THAT MR. LINDSAY'S REFERRING TO, WHEN HE DEVELOPED THE HOME, HE REQUIRED TO GET A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, AND AS PART OF THAT TREE PERMIT, THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE TREES THAT WERE REMOVED TO DO REPLACEMENT TREES.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE ON THIS PLAN, BUT INDEED, UH, THE GENTLEMAN INTENDS TO CONTINUE ON AND ADHERE TO THE, THE PERMIT THAT HE RECEIVED.
SO THERE'S, JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE A LITTLE BIT, SO THERE'S ALREADY BEEN TREES PLANTED, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME, UM, ALL AROUND THERE, THERE'S TREES THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN PLANTED.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S 22 NEW TREES THAT HAS BEEN PLANTED.
NOW WE JUST NEED TO FINISH IT FROM THE, THE OTHER HALF SIDE OF THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY, WAY AROUND TO THE POOL SIDE AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? COME ON UP, SIR.
UM, THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE THERE, I'M SAYING I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HIS POOL AT ALL.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE SOME SCREENING SO THAT WE'RE NOT OUR DRIVEWAY.
THE WAY IT WILL LINE UP SO CLOSE, WE'D ALMOST BE LOOKING INTO HIS POOL, WHICH, UH, WHICH IS MY CONCERN REALLY, SINCE GERARD HAS SAID THAT THE TOWN ALREADY APPROVED THE CULTURE, UH, OF THE WATER RUNOFF, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT ALSO, AS LONG AS THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
UM, THAT WAS REALLY ALL MY CONCERNS OR WAS MY LETTER WITH YOU GUYS, BUT ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT, NOT OPPOSED TO HIM HAVING TO POOL.
SO I ASSUME YOU TWO CAN GET TOGETHER WHEN HE DOES PUT THE SCREENING IN
LIKE THERE, THERE'S NO HARD FEELINGS OR ANYTHING.
I MEAN, WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I PLAN MY DAUGHTER'S IN KINDERGARTEN, MY SON IS TURNING ONE NEXT WEEK.
YOU KNOW, SO I PLAN TO BE HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, UM, AND HE'S JUST MOVED IN RECENTLY AS WELL, SO.
LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL NEW TO THE TOWN OF EDGEMONT GREENBURG, SIR.
DON'T, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T GO TOWN OF EDGEMONT YET.
SO, EXCUSE ME, YOUR, YOUR HOUSE IS THE ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT, ALMOST LOWER RIGHT CORNER? YES.
NO, WELL, A PICTURE, I'M LOOKING AT THE LEFT, LEFT OF HIS LINES TO THE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THAT HAS A POOL? NO, NO.
WHICH IS THE ONE ON BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
THE ONE IN THE FRONT, ONE BEHIND.
HE HAS THE HOUSE IN FRONT OF YOURS HAS A POOL ALSO.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BEHIND IT.
AND I DO SEE SOME FOLIAGE ON YOUR BACK, YOUR REAR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO SCREEN HIS POOL.
OH, HE DOESN'T HAVE A SCREEN YET, BUT I, I MEAN, LOOK, I, THERE'S TWO HOMES THERE ACTUALLY ON THAT PROPERTY, SO PROBABLY AN OLD OLDER PICTURE.
UM, BUT A AGAIN, I MEAN, WE WILL HAVE TREES AROUND THE POOL, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
ANYTHING ELSE, ANYONE ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
AND THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2311.
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HELLO, MY NAME'S KEVIN.I'M THE HOMEOWNER OF, UH, 9 5 5 NORWOOD ROAD.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS TO REQUEST A VARIANCE ON MY DRIVEWAY, MAKING IT WIDER BEFORE PAVING WITH ASPHALT.
UM, SIMPLY PUT, THIS WOULD, UH, ALLOW IT TO BE SAFER FOR MY KIDS WHEN PARKING FURTHEST FROM THE ROAD.
ALSO MANEUVERING FROM OUR HOME OUT TO THE BUSY, UH, NORWOOD ROAD.
UM, AS MY FAMILY GROWS, WE REQUIRE A SECOND CARD CAR MAKING IT, UH, THREE VEHICLES, UH, TWO PERSONAL AND, UH, ONE, UH, COMPANY VEHICLE.
UM, WE OFTEN, WE OFTEN RUN INTO A SCENARIO WHERE I HAVE TO, UH, GO OUT INTO THE ROAD TO BACK OUT MY GUEST CAR BECAUSE, UH, IT'S A BUSY ROAD AND THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE TO, UH, MANEUVER WHEN THERE'S THREE OR MORE CARS.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS, UH, IF, UH, I DO PARK CLOSEST TO THE ROAD, UM, THE CAR GETS HIT WITH THE DEBRIS PEBBLES AND, UM, GARBAGE THAT PEOPLE TOSS OUT OF THEIR WINDOW OF THE CARS.
UM, SO THEREFORE I WANT TO EXPAND CLOSER TO THE, UH, DRIVEWAY TO, UH, STAY AS FURTHEST, UH, FROM THE ROAD AS POSSIBLE.
UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN MY WIFE IS UNLOADING THE CAR WITH MY TWO LITTLE KIDS, THEY TEND TO RUN OFF AND WE ALWAYS AFRAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA RUN TOWARDS THE ROAD.
UM, ALSO, UM, I HAVE MY NEIGHBOR HERE ALSO.
UM, HIS NAME IS, UH, ANTHONY CARLUCCI, LIVES NEXT DOOR IN 9 4 5.
UM, CURRENTLY HE HAS, UM, HEDGE HEDGES FOR SCREENING.
UM, SO THEREFORE THAT, UH, LITTLE BIT EXPANSION WON'T REALLY, UH, AFFECT HIS VIEW OR ANYTHING LIKE HIS PRIVACY.
SO, UH, BASICALLY, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, MY, UH, COMPANY'S VEHICLE AND, UH, MY PERSONAL VEHICLE, UM, SOON MY WIFE, UH, WHEN MY, MY, UH, OLDEST, UH, DAUGHTER'S GOING BACK TO SCHOOL, SHE'S, I MEAN, SHE'S GONNA START, UH, KINDERGARTEN.
MY WIFE'S GONNA GO BACK TO WORK.
UH, THEREFORE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A SECOND VEHICLE, UM, FOR ME TO GET AROUND.
WHEN YOU SAY MY COMPANY VEHICLE, YOU MEAN THE COMPANY I WORK FOR? SORRY.
OH, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD YOUR COMPANY IN, IN THE HOME, THAT'S ALL.
THE COMPANY I WORK FOR, SORRY, CAN I ASK, IN THE CURRENT PARKING AREA, HOW MANY CARS FIT IN THERE? TWO AND THREE.
UH, THE OFFSET OR THE DRIVEWAY? THE OFFSET? UH, JUST TWO.
SO THERE ARE TWO CARS THAT FIT IN THAT AND TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE.
MY WIFE ALWAYS PULLS UP TO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE TO UNLOAD WITH THE KIDS.
UH, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WHEN THE KIDS GET OUT, UH, THEY TEND TO RUN AROUND THE DRIVEWAY, SO SHE NEVER PARKS IN THAT, THAT OFFSET.
I ONLY PARK MY VAN THERE, WHICH IS SOMETIMES MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR HER TO MAKE A U-TURN IN THE GARAGE AND COME OUT FORWARDS INTO NORWOOD ROAD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, KNOWLEDGE OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANY LIMITATIONS WITH REGARD TO A BUSINESS VEHICLE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BEING PARKED IN THE OPEN? I BELIEVE ELIZABETH GARRITY ISS ON FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, LIZ, DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT ON WHETHER OR NOT SMALL VEHICLE VAN, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS IS PERMITTED TO BE PARKED AT THIS LOCATION? AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAVE COMMERCIAL PLATES WRITING, UM, IS NOT IDENTIFIED AS A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
IT CAN BE PARKED ON, ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHOUT SCREENING.
IF IT DOES HAVE WRITING OR COMMERCIAL PLATES, IT HAS TO BE SCREENED FROM VIEW, WHICH, BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY ONE WORKING RIGHT NOW, SO FINANCIALLY, EVENTUALLY I WANNA PUT SCREENING.
IT JUST, IT TAKES TIME RIGHT NOW.
PRIORITIES IS FIXING UP THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, THE GRAVEL IS MAKING IT REAL DIFFICULT, CREATING SINK HOLES WHEN IT RAINS.
BUT AGAIN, EVENTUALLY, LIKE MY NEIGHBORS, I WANNA BUILD UP SOME HEDGES AS WELL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THAT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT, UH, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS NOW, BECAUSE I REALIZE IT'S BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIND PLACES TO PARK THEM.
SO THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
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NO WOOD ROAD HAS NO SIDEWALK.SO IF I WAS TO PARK, UH, ALONG THE WAYS, MOST OF GREENBERG DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS,
ARE THE GARAGES USABLE? UH, THEY, THEY ARE.
UM, CURRENTLY THEY'RE JUST, UH, FOR STORAGE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MY FIRST HOME.
UH, WITH THE KIDS, IT WAS A, WE BUILT UP A LOT OF, UH, YOU MIGHT WANNA USE THEM FOR THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
UH, IT WON'T FIT THE, THE HEIGHT WON'T FIT.
OH, IS IT A TRUCK? IT'S A VAN.
I HAVE A, UH, UM, A LITTLE RACK, UH, ROOF RACK ON THE TOP, SO IT DEFINITELY WON'T FIT WITH THAT, THAT SIZE VAN.
UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, DRAINAGE ONCE YOU, UM, PUT THE ASPHALT ON THE DRIVEWAY? UH, I, I BELIEVE, UM, THE ENGINEER, UH, MIGHT'VE SUBMITTED SOMETHING FOR THAT.
UH, THEY SAID, I GUESS THE SLOPE, IT, IT WASN'T GONNA BE CREATE AN ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WISH HE WAS HERE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
WHEN THE SLOPE, WHERE WOULD THE WATER SLOPE TO THE STREET? DIRECTION WISE? WELL, I'M ALREADY AT THE LOWER, UM, AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE ALL HIGHER THAN ME, SO, UH, NATURALLY THE WATER SLOPES OFF MY DRIVEWAY INTO THE NORWOOD ROAD, 4 16, 4 18.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, UM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THE, THE LITTLE PARKING AREA THAT YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING PUTTING ON THE SIDE.
AND YOU ARE, UH, SHOWING THE STONE CURVE, THE WATER'S GOING TO COLLECT IN THAT LOWER CORNER.
UM, THE, RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING HAS THE STONE CURB GOING AROUND IT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? UM, YES.
SO I'M GONNA USE THE SAME CURB STONES AND JUST, UH, WHEN I MAKE IT WIDER, I'M PUTTING BACK THE SAME ONES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OH, NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE GONNA COLLECT WATER IN THAT PARKING AREA.
BECAUSE THE STONE CURB IS GOING TO PREVENT THE WATER FROM DRAINING TOWARDS NORWOOD ROAD.
WELL, I THINK THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY'S ALREADY A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING I WOULD BRING UP WITH THE, IF IT'S A DRAINAGE THING, I DON'T MIND PUTTING IN DRAINAGE.
I GUESS I'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH THE ENGINEER.
IS THERE A TIME LIMIT THAT, UH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO OFFER AS TO WHEN YOU COULD POSSIBLY SCREEN THE VE YOUR BUSINESS VEHICLE? UM, I MEAN, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, UM, LIKE MY WIFE, LIKE I SAID, MY, UH, MY KID'S GONNA START KINDERGARTEN, SO MY WIFE WILL BE GOING BACK TO WORK.
UM, I THINK BY NEXT YEAR WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAVE UP ENOUGH TO PUT A COUPLE HEDGES AND, AND, AND SCREEN THAT AREA.
AND HOW HIGH IS IT? HOW HIGH IS WHAT YOUR VEHICLE WITH THE ROOF RACK? UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HAND.
I MEAN, I, I CAN TOUCH THE, IS THIS, IS THIS IS THIS ANSWER? YES.
SO THERE'S PRETTY GOOD SCREENING HERE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, HI, UH, CHAIR PERSON BUNTING SMITH.
THIS IS, UH, LIZ GARRITY, UH, THE
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DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.SO WITH COMMERCIAL VEHICLES UNDER THE CODE 2 85, 36 F COMMERCIAL VEHICLES CANNOT BE STORED IN THE FRONT YARD AT ALL.
THEY CAN BE STORED IN THE SIDE OF THE REAR WITH SCREENING.
SO THE LOCATION OF THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, IF IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AREA, STILL WOULD NOT COMPLY TO THE CODE.
YOU'RE SAYING WHAT? THE PICTURE WE JUST SAW THAT EVEN IF THAT WERE SCREENED, THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROXIMATE? NO, IT WOULD, IF THAT IS THE INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A VARIANCE FROM 2 85 36 F.
SO SIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THIS.
SO IF I DON'T PARK MY VAN IN THE DRIVEWAY, WOULD THAT UH, AFFECT THE VARIANCE THEN? I'M, I'M, MAY I I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
PROCESS WISE SIR, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE IN A FEW IN AT THE CONCLUSION OF HEARING ALL THE CASES.
UM, AND WE WILL SEND YOU A LETTER WITH A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND THINGS TO THINK ABOUT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
AND IF THE BOARD DECIDES THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE, UM, WE'LL WE'LL SEND YOU THAT BY EMAIL AND THEN YOU COULD RESPOND AND COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
LET'S MAKE SURE, UH, THERE'S NO SPEAKERS THAT PLAN TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ANYONE WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT? YES.
I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 9 4 5 NORWOOD ROAD NEXT DOOR.
UH, MY BIGGEST THING IS, UH, WELL I HOPE YOU CAN CONSIDERATE WITH THIS WHOLE THING IS NORWOOD ROAD HAS BECOME A VERY, VERY, VERY BUSY ROAD.
I'M A RETIRED DETECTIVE FROM NEW YORK CITY AND I HAVE AN AUTISTIC SON AND WE CO JUST FOR THE BUSING AND JUST FOR HIM TO GET ON THE BUS, THE AMOUNT OF SPEED THAT WE HAVE ON THERE, I'VE COMPLAINED A LITTLE BIT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON NORWOOD ROAD.
I'VE EVEN WITH THE SCHOOL BUSES IN THE MORNING AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PARK BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THE CARS ANYWHERE ELSE.
THERE'S NO PARKING ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU CAN'T PARK ACROSS THE STREET IF YOU TRY TO HAVE A FAMILY GET TOGETHER OR HAVE KIDS COME.
AND WE TRY TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER.
LIKE, YOU CAN PARK YOUR CARS HERE IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE KID'S BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR SOMETHING.
AND IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY TOUGH FOR HIM.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WITH KEVIN IS TRYING TO DO WITH HIS KIDS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? HE CAN'T HAVE HIS KIDS IN THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE OF THAT ISSUE.
AND IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE SPEED OF THE VEHICLES AND THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH AND HAVING KIDS.
JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT TO UNDERSTAND, THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANNA PUT FORTH.
HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE PROPERTY BETTER.
YOU KNOW, THE WATER STUFF, HE UNDERSTANDS ALL THAT PART, BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING.
ALL THE WATER COMES DOWN 'CAUSE HE'S AT THE LOWEST POINT AND GOES RIGHT ONTO NO WOOD ROAD INTO THE DRAIN SYSTEM THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT.
THAT'S RUNS WHERE EVERYBODY DOES.
THE FRONT OF EVERYBODY'S YARD DOES RUN STRAIGHT DOWN NORWOOD ROAD.
THERE'S NO SET DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON THAT.
OUR RAIN COMES DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE TOP OF THE PART AND THE TOP OF, UH, THE HOUSES ABOVE US COME DOWN.
WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? STRAIGHT DOWN TO NORWOOD ROAD.
THERE'S REALLY NO SET DRAIN SYSTEM OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE MAIN ROAD, WHICH IT JUST FALLS INTO THE MAIN ROAD.
IT JUST GOES RIGHT DOWN NORWOOD TOWARDS BUENA VISTA.
AND THAT'S WHY BUENA VISTA LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES.
'CAUSE THE ROAD IS SO SCREWED UP THERE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, YOUR NEIGHBOR.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? HE HAS KIDS AND YOU KNOW WHAT, AS OUR KIDS ARE WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS WORLD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE KIDS AND THE, WE WANNA PROTECT THEM AS BEST WE CAN DUE TO THE FACT THAT NORWOOD ROAD IS SUCH A FAST ROAD.
WE HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING DOWN THERE.
THE ROADS, WE DO GET A LOT MORE LITTERING AND A LOT MORE CRAZY DRIVING UP THE ROAD.
BUT WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE TRUCKS THROUGH THE ROAD.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO BUENA VISTA AND LOOK FOR MORE.
YOU CAN GO FROM THE CABIN RESTAURANT TO WESTCHESTER COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
THEY PAVED EVERY ROAD THROUGHOUT THE AREA, BUT THE MAIN ROAD IS NOT.
SO WE'RE GETTING BUMPS AND PEOPLE COMING.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES MY SON, ME HOLDING MY SON WAITING TO PUT ON THE BUS, HAVE HAD CARS COME DOWN, FLYING, DOING 40 MILES AN HOUR AND LIKE LITERALLY GOING AROUND THE SCHOOL BUSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE ROAD HAS BECOME VERY DANGEROUS.
HE'S GOT TWO BEAUTIFUL YOUNG KIDS.
JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE KIDS, YOU WANNA PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN.
AND, YOU KNOW, FIXING THE DRIVEWAY HELPS THEM.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND IF YOU TRY TO BACK OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAYS.
YOU AGAIN? I WORKED IN THE BRONX FOR 23 YEARS.
SOMETIMES IT'S MORE DIFFICULT GETTING OUT MY DRIVEWAY THAN CHASING PEOPLE WITH GUNS IN THE STREET.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW DANGEROUS IT GETS.
'CAUSE THE ROAD'S GOTTEN SO THAT CRAZY.
YOU COULD JUST GO THERE, SPEND 10 MINUTES ON NORWOOD ROAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING OR AFTERNOON.
SORRY TO TAKE UP SOME MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
IS NORWOOD ROAD A STATE ROAD THERE? YES, IT IS.
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SURE.MY, MY, MY NAME IS YURI, UH, YURI KOVICH.
I LIVE, UH, JUST NEXT PROPERTY FROM KEVIN.
AND, UH, SO WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, MY DAUGHTER ALREADY GROWN UP, BUT I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT HE TRIES TO DO BECAUSE, UH, WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS LITTLE, WE ALSO HAD NEPHEW WITH US LIVING LIKE LITTLE KIDS AND HAVING SMALL DRIVEWAYS ALWAYS WAS A PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, UH, ARGUMENT THAT HIS OTHER NEIGHBOR ANTHONY MADE THAT, UH, SAFETY OF KIDS IS A PRIORITY.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE PERMISSION TO KEVIN TO BUILD HIS THING BECAUSE DEFINITELY HAVING BIGGER SPACE, EASY TO MANEUVER, KIDS RUNNING AROUND.
AND IF IT'S A TIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES WE HEARD STORIES ABOUT PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS HITTING THEIR OWN KIDS WHEN THEY TRY TO MOVE AROUND THE CAR.
AND SO HE DEFINITELY CAN'T MAKE ANY MANEUVER IN HIS DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW.
KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SAFETY OF KIDS.
AND SECOND ONE IS HIS, UH, DRIVEWAY.
I THINK WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE WITH THE DRAINAGE IS, UH, SO I'M ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST AND SO HE HAS A COMPLETELY, UH, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS SURF SURFACE.
SO YOU DON'T EXPECT LIKE A BIG FLOW THERE.
THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, DANGER OF EROSION.
IF HE GONNA EXTEND IT AND KEEP IT THE SAME WAY HE DOES NOW, IT'S, IT'S FINE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
AND I DID A LOT OF WORK FOR DEPARTMENT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IN THIS CASE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN HYDROLOGY.
WE APPRECIATE HEARING FROM YOU.
SAY IT AGAIN? I SAID WE APPRECIATE HEARING FROM YOU.
ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE IN TV LAND? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, WE WILL DELIBERATE LATER TODAY.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE 2312.
CHERYL AND BURS KNOW IT'S IRONIC.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M AN ARCHITECT FOR MY CLIENT.
UH, WE ARE HERE SEEKING FIVE AREA VARIANCES.
UH, BASICALLY CLIENT, UM, RECEIVED A C F O 16 YEARS AGO FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY, ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY IN RESPECT TO COVERAGE SETBACKS AT THAT TIME WHEN HOUSE WAS BUILT.
AND WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE C F O THIS YEAR, THEY DECIDED THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE DECK OVER AN EXISTING PATIO ABOUT SAME SIZE, 300 SQUARE FEET, A LITTLE MORE.
AND, UM, THEY FOUND OUT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES THAT THEY NEED TO OBTAIN IN ORDER TO, TO LEGALIZE THE NOTE FOR 16 YEARS.
SO BASICALLY, UM, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THE DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT 30.7, A COUPLE INCHES MORE.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE DISTANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO BACK UP FROM THE GARAGE INTO THE DRIVEWAY, YOU NEED 25 FEET MINIMUM.
SO THERE IS A PREDICAMENT, WHICH, WHICH LAW YOU'RE GOING TO GO BY THE 25 OR 20.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS WITH THE COVERAGE.
I THINK WE ALLOWED TO BE 21 7 75, BE 31 30.
UH, THAT, THAT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION, UH, SINCE 2 0 2 0 6.
AND YEAH, CLIENT WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT THIS WAS THE CASE.
AND ALSO THERE, THERE ARE TWO SHEDS.
ONE IS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY
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IF YOU NEED, UH, PICTURES I COULD PROVIDE.AND ONE IS AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND SO ONE NEEDS A VARIANCE AND THE, THE ONE SHED IN THE BACK IS TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF LIGHTS OPEN, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE SHEDS ARE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? HE NOW, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE DECK.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE SUBMIT THIS PLAN, WE'LL LEARN THAT WE HAVE ISSUES.
I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? WHEN WE SUBMIT THE NEW PLAN, WE JUST PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE DECK.
WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THERE WERE ISSUES FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILD, THAT WE NEED FOUR VARIANCES, UH, FIVE VARIANCES TO LEGALIZE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT CORRECT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD DO FOR THE EXISTING SURFACE TO MINIMIZE THE ADDITIONS THAT YOU'RE MAKING WITH THE NEW DECK? THE PERGOLA, THE WALKWAY, AND THE PATIO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXISTING WALKWAY AND PATIO AND PROPOSED DECK IS ONLY 300 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF WE COULD, IT'S UP TO THE CLIENT, WE COULD SHRINK THAT TO SIZE OF THE EXISTING PATIO.
YOU HAVE THE ONES ON THE SIDE? YEAH.
THE CLIENT SAYS THAT THEY COULD GET RID OF THAT CIRCULAR PATIO TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DECK.
SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 150 TO A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, DEDUCTED.
AND, AND THAT SAME LINE OF, OF THINKING, UM, YOU, THE DRIVEWAY IS ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I MEAN, BASICALLY DONE IN BEAUTIFUL STONES.
AND WAS THERE ANY, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 20 FEET AND YOU SAY YOU NEED 25 FEET TO BACK OUT.
WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO TAKING FIVE FEET AWAY AND MAKING IT 25 FEET INSTEAD OF THE 30 FEET SO THAT THE REQUEST, YOU WON'T, YOU'RE NOT RIGHT UP ON A PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT ADJACENT TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
UH, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE THE GARAGE? YES.
UH, ACCORDING TO YOUR DRAWING.
IT'S 31 FEET ON LOS ANGELES, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, IF, IF YOU, ONE OF THE ISSUES, I DRIVE A PICKUP, MY WIFE DRIVES A, A TAHOE.
I DON'T THINK 25 FEET WOULD BE ENOUGH.
WE CAN BARELY GET OUT OF THERE AS IT IS.
WE ACTUALLY BACKING UP INTO THE ABER JUST TO MAKE THE TURN.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S MR. BUR HEARN SPEAKING.
AND WE HAVE DRAINAGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TREES OVER THERE ON YEAH.
THERE, THERE'S A TREND DRAIN ALL, ALL ALONG.
CAN YOU PULL UP THIS PICTURE THERE? THIS, MM-HMM.
SO DO YOU PARK IN THE GARAGE? LIKE YES.
IS THAT THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE? WELL,
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WE CAN BACK DOWN.RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY HITTING THE AES TO MAKE THE TURN TO COME OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IF WE CUT IT FIVE FEET, WE'LL BE AND PUT AES THERE.
WE'LL BE KNOCKING THEM DOWN JUST TO GET OUT.
WELL, THEY WOULD BE DRIVING OVER THE GRASS, BASICALLY WHAT THEY SAYING.
WELL, WOULDN'T WE STILL HAVE THE DRAINAGE THERE? RECORD IS GETTING CONFUSED AS TO WHO WAS SPEAKING.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO WAS SPEAKING ON THE RECORD A MOMENT AGO.
HAVE YOU HAVE ON THE, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HEDGE, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THEM OR THEY, UM, OKAY WITH THIS, HAVE THEY EXPRESSED ANY? WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM.
COULD YOU GET ON THE MICROPHONE SIR, PLEASE? WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM.
I, I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR MAYBE 30 YEARS.
UM, HE HASN'T EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST OR, OR ANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT AT ALL.
AND HE KNOWS HE, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS.
HE'S AWARE OF THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR THE
HE, HE WOULD'VE RECEIVED THE NOTICE.
BUT YOU DIDN'T SPEAK TO HIM DIRECTLY ABOUT THAT.
AND HE DIDN'T SPEAK TO YOU IN ANY WAY? NO, NOT, NOT ABOUT THAT.
I I, FROM THE DRAWING, THESE ARE HIS TREES, RIGHT? NO, THOSE ARE YOUR TREES.
THAT'S THE ONLY AND THIS, THIS WAS WHEN YOU BUILT THE HOUSE.
I, I AM ASSUMING YOU BUILT THE HOUSE.
YOU MADE NO CHANGES SINCE YOU BUILT THE HOUSE.
AND I'M NOT, I I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SHED THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S THE SAME NEIGHBOR OR IS IT A DIFFERENT NEIGHBOR? SAME, SAME NEIGHBOR.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE SAME NEIGHBOR LINE.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU DID INDICATE THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, REMOVE THE, UH, ROUND, I GUESS CIRCLE OR PORTION OF THE PATIO, RIGHT? YES.
AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT AS WELL-VERSED AS WE SHOULD BE, COULD YOU DESCRIBE A PERGOLA? UM, HOLD ON THERE.
THE PERGOLA IS THE MOVE, UM, ENCLOSURE ON TOP OF THE DECK.
CAN YOU GRAB THE MICROPHONE, MIC PLEASE? I THINK THE WHOLE THING YOU CAN PICK UP.
THE PERGOLA IS THE, THE WOODEN, LIKE ROOF, LIKE ENCLOSURE, BUT IT'S OPEN ABOVE THE DECK.
AND HAS, UH, YOU COULD CLOSE IT.
IT HAS, UH, LIKE, UM, CURTAIN TYPE OF LIKE SLATS.
NO, IT'S, IT'S FABRIC, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT PURPLE? THE FABRIC? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY METAL.
IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S LIKE SLATS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST FOR THE RECORD? UH, BOTH SHEDS COMPLY WITH THE SETBACKS.
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OKAY.ARE WE GOOD? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND WE GOT TO OUR LAST CASE THIS EVENING CASE, 2313 CHURCH OF THE SACRED HEART.
THIS WAS IN HERE, NORWOOD ROAD.
I'M THE PASTOR OF SACRED HEART CHURCH IN DALE.
WE ARE REQUESTING VARIANCE, UH, TO HAVE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND SAFER PATHWAY TO THE BUILDING.
WHAT IT USED TO BE, CONVENT BUILDING, BUT WE NO LONGER HAVE SISTERS, SO WE CAN REALLY CALL IT CONVENT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CHAPEL INSIDE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO SENIOR, UH, RETIRED PRIESTS LIVING IN THAT BUILDING.
UH, RIGHT NOW THE ACCESS RATE TO THE ENTRANCE IS NOT SAFE.
UH, IT'S KIND OF ROCKS, ROB ROCKS ON THE AREA.
UH, SO BY CREATING THIS PATHWAY, UH, IT'LL BE SAFER.
UH, ALSO WE ARE TRYING TO PUT, UH, MEMORY OR PAPERS ON THE PATHWAY FOR THE DECEASED MEMBERS AS WELL.
PARISH, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY DURING PANDEMIC, UH, WHOSE FAMILIES WHO COULD NOT HAVE TRADITIONAL FUNERAL SERVICES.
WE DID HAVE CONSIDERATION ABOUT REMOVING THE SMALL PATIO SECTION BEHIND THE BUILDING.
BUT, UH, UH, RIGHT NOW, THOSE PRIESTS, AND ALSO WHEN THERE ARE VISITORS, UH, THOSE ARE THE PLACES WHERE THEY COULD MEET AND SPEND TIME DURING DAYTIME WITH THEIR NEWSPAPERS.
UM, SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BUILDING COMMISSIONING OFFICE OF THE TOWN IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE VARIANCE.
BUT EVEN IF WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD REMOVE THAT PER SECTION.
WE WILL STILL NEED, UH, UH, VARIANCE.
UH, PARKING LOT IS VERY SMALL, ACTUALLY.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ENVISIONED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS.
YOU'LL CELEBRATE A HUNDREDTH YEAR ANNIVERSARY IN THE PARISH.
UH, RIGHT NOW, EVEN THE PARKING LOT ON SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS, IT GETS FILLED WITH CAPACITY TO THE CAPACITY, EVEN ACCESS RATE TO ALL AREAS, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE ALSO USE A SCHOOL PARKING LOT DURING SUNDAYS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACES TO BEGIN WITH.
UH, SO WE, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING VARIANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS? CAN YOU JUST SHOW ON THE OVERHEAD MAP WHERE EXACTLY THEY WANNA PUT THE STAIRS AND, AND THE STATUE? SURE.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM LAWTON DIRECTLY AT THE BUILDING, AND THE PATIO AREA WILL PRIMARILY BE HERE.
THE FRONT ACCESS WAY, THE ACCESS WAY, RIGHT FRONT PARKING LOT TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING.
I'M GONNA RE-SHARE AND SHOW THE, UM, AERIAL VIEW.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE AERIAL VIEW, AGAIN, LAWTON AND CENTRAL AVENUE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THE AREA OF THE PROJECT IS PRIMARILY IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME RIGHT HERE.
WHICH DRAWING IS EXISTING? YEAH.
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OKAY.WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE EXISTING PLAN.
JUST HAVE A WALKWAY AND A SMALL, SMALL WALKWAY HERE WITH THE STEPS.
I, THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, HERE'S THE STEPS UP IN THE PATIO AREA, UH, TO THE HOME.
THE CHURCH, UH, CHURCH IS ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS THE, UH, RECTORY BUILDING THE REC FRONT DOOR.
SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE, UH, AERIAL, THE FRONT DOOR, UH, SIDE.
IT WALTON FACING IS THE FRONT.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE, UH, AERIAL.
SO YOU HAVE THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET HERE YOU HAVE PARKING LOT ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE BUILDING HERE.
SO YOU'RE NO LONGER USING THE BUILDING AS A CONVENT.
WHAT ARE YOU USING THE BUILDING FOR NOW? SO, TOP FLOOR WHERE SISTERS USED TO LIVE.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A TWO RETIRED PRIEST LIVING THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER SISTERS AROUND.
AND THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, SINCE THE TIME WHEN SISTERS WERE THERE, THEY HAD A BEAUTIFUL CHAPEL AND BIG ENOUGH SPACES FOR MEETINGS AND WHERE WE COULD HOLD A PRAYER GROUP MEETINGS.
UH, RIGHT NOW, PATHWAY, EXISTING, EXISTING PATHWAY TO THE BUILDING IS VERY UNSAFE.
AND MOST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF THOSE PRAYER GROUP COULD USE THE BUILDING DURING WEEKDAYS ARE SENIOR CITIZENS.
SO DURING, ESPECIALLY DURING THE RAINY DAYS OR SNOWY DAYS, I COULD NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO USE THAT EXISTING PATHWAY AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY NOT SAFE.
UH, ONCE THAT PATHWAY IS CREATED, IT'LL BE SAFER.
UH, THAT'S THE MOST BIGGEST, UH, ISSUE.
AND MEANWHILE, BECAUSE, UH, MANY OF THE FAMILIES SHOWED, UH, EXPRESS THEIR, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO MEMORIALIZE THEIR DECEASED FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO WHILE WE PUTTING UP A BLESSED MARY STATUE IN THE MIDDLE, AND WHEN THE
SO GARRETT, IT'S WAS A RESIDENCE RIGHT? WHERE PRIESTS LIVED AND NOW IT'S A MEETING HALL.
UM, WHAT'S THE, IS IT, WELL, THEY'RE STILL LIVING THERE.
UH, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S EXISTING CHAPEL, WE COULD CONTINUE TO USE IT AS CHAPEL.
AND MEETINGS WILL TAKE PLACE ONCE OR TWICE.
PRE GROUP MEETINGS WILL TAKE ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
BUT MAINLY THESE, UH, RESIDENTS FOR SENIOR PRIESTS? YES.
SO THE USE IS ABSOLUTELY, UH, AN A, A LEGAL, UM, ACCESSORY USE TO THE CHURCH.
UM, THERE'S NO ISSUE THERE AT ALL.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS PICKUP.
BY VIRTUE OF CREATING THE PATIO AREA FOR THE MEMORIAL.
GIVEN THAT YOU'RE REDOING THE AREA, UM, AREA, IS THERE ANY KIND, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DO AN ACCOMMODATION FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES? YOU'RE BUILDING A, A BIG STAIRCASE HERE, RIGHT? UH, WE DIDN'T LOOK INTO HAVE, IF A POSSIBILITY OF TO HAVE A WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE AREA, BUT THE, IT IS WAY TOO STIFF.
UH, THE, THE, THE GRADE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? SO THE FRONT DOOR RIGHT FROM PARKING LOT AREA TO THAT PLACE IS MAYBE ABOUT FIVE TO SIX FOOT HIGH.
SO THERE'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO CREATE STAIRWAY WITH THE RAILS ON THE SIDES AND, UH, TO PATHWAY INTO IT.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REQUIRED? NO.THERE, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR THIS MEMORIAL TO HAVE.
WELL, THIS IS NOW THE ENTRANCE FOR THE FRONT DOOR, AN ACCESSORY BUILDING TO THE CHURCH.
SORRY, IS THIS ON THE RECORD? THINK IT'S, YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THAT YOUR, SOMEBODY'S MINE IS NOT ON.
NOW THAT THIS IS THE, THE ENTRANCE FOR PEOPLE COMING IN TO THIS BUILDING AND NOT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'RE DOING THIS LEVEL OF REDOING AN ENTRANCE, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, PRESENTLY IT'S NON-CONFORMING IN THAT RESPECT FROM THE FRONT.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT WOULD TRIGGER ANYTHING ILLEGAL WITH A D A.
AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE PARKING LOT ITSELF, CORRECT? UH, NO, WE COULDN'T.
UH, ULTIMATELY COULD YOU TALK ABOUT ALTERNATE ENTRANCES TO THE, TO THE, TO THE SPACE FROM THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS AT THE SAME GRADE? SEE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY DOOR, UH, DOOR THERE IT LOOKS LIKE.
COULD YOU REPEAT? UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE ACTUAL, UM, OTHER, OTHER, LIKE THE, UH, DRIVEWAY? I'M GONNA SHARE A SCREEN HERE IN A MOMENT.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A SIDE DOOR IN THE BACK DOOR.
SO FOR INSTANCE, AT GRADE LEVEL, YOU HAVE ENTRANCE ON THE SIDE AND I BELIEVE TO THE REAR AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS A VERY SMALL ENTRANCE, UH, ON THE SIDE FROM THE BASEMENT SIDE.
THAT'S THE DOOR THAT, UH, TWO SENIOR PRIESTS ARE USING.
AND I COULDN'T, UH, LET SOME ELDERLY PEOPLE TO USE THE STAIRCASE.
AND YOU ENTER THE HOUSE FROM THE REAR AT GRADE, I BELIEVE.
WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THIS ANGLE.
BUT THERE IS ENTRANCE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
UH, MS. KINSON, SO IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
UH, GARRETT HAD POINTED OUT THAT THERE IS A ENTRANCE IN THE REAR THAT IS AT GRADE THAT IS USABLE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
ONE FROM THE PARKING LOT AREA, ANOTHER ONE FROM THE PATHWAY TO THE PER PER AREA.
THERE'S ENTRANCE TO DIRECTLY INTO CHAPEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I, AND WITHOUT ANY STEPS THERE.
WHILE WE'RE WAITING, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAD TO MAKE, WANTED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NO.
AND WITH THAT WE WILL, UH, TAKE JUST A FEW MOMENTS, VERY BRIEF, STRETCH OUR LEGS, AND WE WILL COME BACK WITH OUR DELIBERATIONS.
AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY AND LISTEN TO THEM, BUT NOT TO PARTICIPATE.
I THINK I'LL JUST TAKE A, AND, UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE, DO, HAVE PRINT?
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UH, BUT NOT IN A NONCOMPLIANT WAY.SO WE CAN'T REQUIRE SCREENING TO INITIALLY.
I, I, I JUST WANNA, I'M GONNA SHARE A SCREEN.
UM, SO ALTHOUGH IT'S A SMALL, UM, FLAG STEM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 29 FEET.
WITH THAT, I'M RUNNING MY CURSOR ON.
AND IF THE SETBACKS 16 FEET FROM THE SIDE, THAT'S 32.
AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET THE DRIVEWAY ANYWHERE IN HERE.
SO THAT'S THE POINT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE SIDE SETBACK RUNS ALONG FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AND REALLY ONLY CONSIDERATION IS WAY OVER HERE.
SO THERE'S NO WAY, THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD, UM, SITUATE THAT DRIVE.
SO, EXISTING DRIVER, UM, WITH RESPECT TO SETBACK.
YEAH, THEY, THEY, THE WIDTH, THEY DROPPED THE IMPERVIOUS, ACTUALLY.
SO THEY ONLY NEED THREE VARIANCES, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.
THE ONE, THE 1.4 FOOT IS NO LONGER.
UM, ANY COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE OVER, UM, THE CONTROL.
WE'LL MAKE SURE, WE'LL MAKE SURE OUR MICS ARE ON EVERYBODY.
WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, UM, ANYBODY I SAID.
SO LOUIS, YES, LOUIS IS GONNA DO IT.
SO, KIRA, IF YOU COULD, UH, PLEASE HAND THAT TO LOUIS.
DO YOU HAVE THIS LIST? DO YOU HAVE THE LATEST NUMBERS? YEAH.
SO THE NEXT IS THE, UM, THE 40 MILL REALTY.
IF WE DIDN'T VOTE, WE VOTE ON, ON WHAT? SAWMILL RIVER ROAD ON, UH, WE'RE NOT ON, WE'RE NOT VOTING YET.
YOU CAN STRAW ALL IF YOU'D LIKE.
I GET THE SENSE THAT I THINK IS, IS IT NOT UNANIMOUS? NO, I, I'M A YES ON THAT ONE.
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YEAH.I THINK WE, I THINK WE ALL WERE.
SO WE MOVED ON TO SAWMILL RIVER OR SAWMILL, SORRY.
SO I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING IN THIS ONE, WHICH WAS MY PROBLEM LAST TIME.
WHICH IS YOUR, WHICH IS YOUR PROBLEM.
SO, UM, ON THIS, ON THIS ONE, UM, SO THEY HAVE EMPLOYEE PARKING IN A DIFFERENT LOT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A CONDITION? WELL, IT, IT, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR THE SIZE OF THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.
WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT THE FIRST BUSINESS THAT'S COME BEFORE US? WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT IN ELMSFORD ALSO, UH, FROM PREVIOUSLY WHERE INDIVIDUALS, UM, HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PARK IN.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING IS KIND OF TIGHT OVER THERE.
IS THERE, I'M TRYING TO THINK, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE RECORD THAT INDICATES THAT THE PARKING WAS FOR CUSTOMERS AND UM, VENDORS? UH, IT IS, AND I ACTUALLY ASKED THE QUESTION.
I SAID, EMPLOYEES DON'T PARK ON SITE.
SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO FEW RETAIL SPACES.
WELL, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION BECAUSE THEY'VE SAID IT.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, CAN I SEE MOTION? WELL, OKAY, WE'RE NOT FIGHTING.
I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THEY HAVE VERY LIMITED PARKING.
AND IT'S, UH, CAN GET VERY CROWDED THERE.
AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WHERE THEY WOULD BRING EMPLOYEES OR HAVE EMPLOYEE PARKING, THEY WOULD HAVE NO PARKING WHATSOEVER.
WELL, I THINK THEY KNOW THAT THEY WANT THE BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BRINGING THEM IN IN THE MORNINGS.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET THOSE TRUCKS OUT OF THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO PROBLEM.
DO WE WANT TO GIVE THIS ONE TO ED? ANYBODY WANT TO REALLY TAKE IT OFF? I'M GONNA EXPLORE SOME LANGUAGE THAT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH ED AND, UM, IF HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THEN WE HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, FOR YOU.
CAN WE DO THAT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE? WE'LL TAKE THE OFFICIAL, WELL, WE CAN CLOSE IT FOR DECISION ONLY.
NO, NO, THAT'S, SORRY, I'M ON A WRONG MEDICATION.
SO ED'S GONNA DO THIS ONE?
SO SHE WANTS TO WIDE IN THE DRIVEWAY FROM 10 FEET TO 12 FEET, ALL HUNDRED 85 FEET.
AND THEN HE HAS HAVE ME 30 FEET BEHIND HIS THREE CAR GARAGE.
THAT'S ALL PAVED WILL BE ALL PAVED.
UM, I, BUT HE DOES, I MEAN, IN, IN, IN, IT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IN AS WAS PRESENTED TO US, IN MY OPINION.
WELL, I IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT I VIEW BECAUSE HE HAS, IT IS A FLAG LOT AND IT'S VERY LONG.
AND THAT TOTALLY CHANGES THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITHOUT QUESTIONING.
BUT HE'S ALSO COVERING SO MUCH THAT'S THE QUESTION OF WHAT YOU AND RULE IS NOT IMPERVIOUS.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT INCLUDING IT, BUT IT'S COVERING.
I MEAN, SO WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT HE DO YOUR THOUGHTS IF THIS WERE YOUR PROPERTY? IF THIS WERE MY PROPERTY, I WOULD MAKE SOME, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT WHOLE DRIVEWAY OF OUS.
BUT YOU, I WOULD ALSO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY NOT TO MAKE IT IN PERVIOUS SPEND MONEY EITHER.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, TO, TO ELIMINATE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AS A PERCENT, UM, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, LESS WIDE.
SO IF IT'S PROPOSED AT 12, FOR INSTANCE, IF HE MADE IT 10 FOR 80% OF THE LEAD UP UNTIL YOU GET CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AND THEN HAD IT FLARE
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OUT TO HIS DESIRED 12 MM-HMM.UM, TAKING THE 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY, GOING TO 10, BUT PUTTING A FOOT OF GRAVEL ON EACH SIDE DOESN'T, DOES NOT RIGHT.
INFLUENCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
SO ONE, ONE THING THAT MAY, I MAY RECOMMEND IS, UM, JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASK THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE, UM, ALTERNATIVES TO MINIMIZE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
AND THAT MAY BE A, A, A MORE SLENDER DRIVEWAY LEADING UP, UM, THAT FLARES OUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT REDUCE IMPERVIOUS OR IT MAY BE WHEN YOU GET TO THE MAIN DRIVEWAY, UM, YOU MAY DECIDE THAT THAT'S NOT NEEDED TO BE AS EXPANSIVE.
THE POOL DOESN'T ADD MUCH IMPERVIOUS.
THE, THE PATIO AROUND IT DOES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT'S NEEDED.
THERE'S ANOTHER PATIO BEING ADDED.
THERE'S NOT JUST ONE THERE OR, UM, I DIDN'T, IT DOES ADD A PATIO JUST AROUND THE POOL.
SO THERE'S TWO VARIANCES WITH THE LINDSAY JARED LINDSAY APPLICATION.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE POOL BEING IN THE SIDE YARD.
UM, WAS, WAS THE BOARD COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES.
SO YOU WANT TO KEEP THE LETTER CONFINED TO THAT IMPERVIOUS.
SO, UM, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY WRITE THAT UP ON YOUR BEHALF.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, EVE MADE A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT ABOUT JUST KEEPING IT WIDE AT THE ENTRANCE OFF THE ROAD AND WIDE AT THE CURVE TO GO INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I SAW HIM NODDING HIS HEAD, UH, I THINK HE WANTS TO GET THIS DONE AND THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA GET THE IMPERVIOUS.
BUT WE WERE THE IMPEDIMENT FOR THAT.
SO THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA GET THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UM, BACK TO WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS ASK HIM TO MINIMIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND STILL MAINTAIN THE SAFETY THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN.
BUT EVEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY GET IT CLOSE TO COMPLIANT.
IT'S NOT, NOT GROSSLY OVER, BUT JUST, SO YEAH.
BUT IF YOU DID THAT AND THEN NARROW THIS OTHER SPACE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HIS GARAGES, RIGHT? SO WE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES WITH THEIR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.
AND, UM, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT THE POSITION LANDSCAPE? OH, WELL, THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT, I THINK ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, CERTAINLY WANNA THINK ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT, UM, HE'S PROPOSED.
WE'LL HAVE THAT SHARED WITH THE BOARD AND, UM,
I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT STOPPING 'EM FROM GETTING THE POOL THEN.
ONCE WE APPROVE, YEAH, HE'S ALREADY, SO YOU WANNA GET THE VARIANCE FOR THE POOL.
NOW DO WE WANT, AND IF THE BOARD, UM, FOR THE POOL? NO, I, WE DO THAT.
HOW DO YOU WANT HAVE, HAVE WE BIFURCATED THINGS BEFORE? NOT REALLY.
'CAUSE THE IMP THERE'S IMPERVIOUS ASSOCIATED WITH THE POOL.
IT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE TO, TO SPLIT THEM UP.
SO WE, WE WILL WRITE THAT UP AND, UH, WE'LL INCLUDE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE, UH, DESIRED REDUCTION IN, UH, IMPERVIOUS.
SO, UM, CAN WE APPROVE BOTH AND CONDITION THE DRIVEWAY? THAT'S NOT I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE NUMBER IS, IS A VARIANCE, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TO AN UNKNOWN.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND NOT WANT TO, UM, LESSEN THE IMPERVIOUS.
SO I, I I DON'T, YEAH, I, I, YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO SEND THEM THAT LETTER.
LANDSCAPING AND, UM, ALL RIGHT.
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KEVIN KIRK.HE'LL NEED ANOTHER VARIANCE, RIGHT? KEVIN KIRK.
BUT DOES HE NEED A VARIANCE? WELL, HE'S HAD NO PLACE ELSE TO PUT THE BEHIND THAT, BUT, BUT THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT HE CAME TO US FOR, IS IT? I MEAN, HE, HE RAISED IT AND PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN INTENT TO KEEP THAT AS AN ONGOING, UH, SCENARIO THEN IT NEEDS TO BE LEGALIZED ALL.
I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN IN ENGLISH.
NO, IF THERE'S AN INTENT FOR THE GENTLEMAN TO KEEP PARKING HIS COMMERCIAL VEHICLE THERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENO.
WELL, HE PUT IT ON THE RECORD FOR A YEAR THAT HE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO RIGHT.
SO IN ALL, YEAH, I DO, I DO BELIEVE IT WILL HAVE TO BE RENO.
UNLESS HE COMES BACK AND SAYS, UH, I WILL NOT BE PARKING MY COMMERCIAL VEHICLE HERE ANYMORE.
THEN HE CAN THEN IT, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY.
BUT IT STILL MEANS HE HAS TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER MONTH.
UNLESS YOU ULTIMATELY, DEPENDING ON, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD DELIBERATE THE REST.
AND, UM, I USED TO DO, REMEMBER, NO, NOT THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME.
MR. MARK THAT BIG, HE'S BEEN PARKING IT THERE.
IF HE GETS A VIOLATION FOR VARIANCE COURT.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE PARK THE CAR WHILE
THINK THE DRIVEWAY JUST STAYS AS IS.
LOU LOU IS TRYING TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS, I KNOW, KNOW, WANTS IT TO GO FAST.
DOESN'T WANT US TO BE ON THE COUNTER.
BUT NOT ONLY THAT, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO PAVE HIS DRIVEWAY AND HE, WE, I, THERE'S NO REASON WHY I WOULD NOT HAVE AGREED TO HAVE HIM PAVE HIS DRIVEWAY IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE FACT THAT HE BROUGHT UP THAT HE PARK HIS YEAH, I AGREE.
SORRY, JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, I, I'M GONNA SHARE SCREEN.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
UM, INDEED, IT, IT'S TO PAVE THE DRIVEWAY, BUT ALSO TO ENLARGE, UM, TO DOUBLE THE SIZE TO, TO DOUBLE THE, THE, THE DOG LEG ON THE DRIVEWAY.
HE ARE ADDING TWO MORE PARKING SPACES, WHICH UP TO THE HOUSE.
SO, SO ESSENTIALLY IN HERE, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY ADDING MORE PARKING AND MORE CARS, ROOM FOR CARS HELPS HIS CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
IF THEY'RE IN THE CARS AND THAT HELPS YOU NOT HAVE TO BACK OUT ONTO THE ROADWAY THAT I GET CLEAN THE GARAGE.
WELL, HE CAN'T PUT HIS TRUCK IN THE GARAGE.
YOU'RE SO WORRIED ABOUT YOUR KIDS RUNNING OUTTA HIS CAR.
I GUESS MAYBE I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO A GARRIS.
CURRENTLY THE PARKING SPACE IS LIKE THIS AND HE WANTS TO EX UP TO THE GARAGE.
HE WANTS SQUARE THE WAY TO THE HOUSE TO THIS.
NO, HE WANTS TO BRING IT UP HERE TO HERE, TO THE HOUSE.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT? THAT'S IN HIS PLAN.
DID I MISS THAT? HE, HE, HE, HE, HE'S, IT'S, HE'S PERMISSIBLE FROM AN IMPERVIOUS PERSPECTIVE IN DOING THAT.
SO FROM, HE'S FROM AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE PERSPECTIVE THERE JUST SAID HE'S FINE.
IT'S JUST THE SETBACK IN THE SIDE YARD.
UH, LIZ, LI LIZ, ARE YOU ON? I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
HE WAS ALSO SAYING THAT HE CAN'T, THEY, THEY NEED IT BECAUSE FOR SAFETY.
'CAUSE WITHOUT THAT WE HAVE TO THAT YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONLY SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE NEIGHBOR WAS SAYING THAT HE WAS JUST SAYING HE WANTED TO PARK HIS CARS
WELL, NO, WHEN THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR BROUGHT UP THE SAFETY.
WELL, NO, HE, YEAH, HE'S, HE DID SAY BACKING OUT THOUGH, UM, BECAUSE YEAH, HE'D HAVE TO BACK INTO THE STREET BECAUSE HE PARKED THE VAN IN THAT ONE SPOT.
AND THEN HIS WIFE IS GETTING THE CAR.
SO, AND HE DOESN'T HAVE, ISN'T PARKING IN HIS GARAGE.
SO IT'S, THERE ARE TWO GARAGE ACROSS TO PARK IN FRONT, WHICH LEAVES THIS PANEL VAN IN THE PARKING AREA.
BUT THEN HE CAN BACK INTO, THEY CAN COME OUT THE GARAGE INTO, MAKE THEIR BACK INTO THE OTHER SPACE THAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING
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AND THEN GO OUT TO THE STREET FACING FORWARD.THERE IS A PLACE TO TURN THE CAR AROUND.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER CAR.
NO, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE TWO RIGHT NOW.
ONE FOR ONE FOR THE, HE WANTS THE WIFE, THE YEAH, BUT THE WIFE IS GOING TO GO TO WORK, BUT HE WANTS THAT.
HE HAS A RIGHT TO COME TO THIS BOARD.
HE HAS TWO CARS, ONE FOR HIM, ONE FOR HIS WIFE, AND, AND ONE OF THE, OH, HE DIDN'T SAY FOUR, HE SAID TWO WITHOUT EXPANDING THE THIS HERE.
SO HE SAY HE LEAVES THE PANEL TRUCK HERE, TWO CARS HERE, AND WHEN THEY BACK UP, THEY HAVE TO TURN YES.
I DO UNDERSTAND THOUGH, FROM WHAT THE OTHER GENTLE GENTLEMAN SAID, SAID WOOD ROAD ROAD.
BACKING DOWN INTO NO WOOD ROAD IS, UM, NOT ADVISABLE.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT TURNAROUND BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TWO PARKING.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BOTH OF THEM BECAUSE THE TRUCK BE, ISN'T THE THE DRIVEWAY AS IT'S METER VARIANCE OR NO.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, LET ME, I JUST WANT TO ASK, I'M GOING, LIZ, DO YOU SEE THE SCREEN? YES, I DO.
ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA STOP SHARE.
UM, AND ASK THIS ONE DIFFERENT WAY,
SO THIS 37 50 EXCEEDS THE 30 FOOT WIDTH AND, AND THAT'S EXISTING.
SO IN ESSENCE, HE'S HE'S LOOKING TO LEGALIZE THAT.
SO EITHER WAY HE NEEDS THE VARIANCE.
SO HE, HE'S JUST, HE'S EXPANDING UP NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE, BUT HE IS JUST EXPANDING UP FOR THROUGH THE HANDLE ABOUT 19, I THINK IT'S 19 FEET.
SO GARRETT IN LEGALIZING THE WIDTH, DOESN'T HE ALSO STILL NEED IT? UH, SIDE YARD? YES.
THAT'S THE EIGHT FEET FOR WHERE SIXTEEN'S REQUIRED.
SO HE JUST WANTS TO, SO EITHER E EITHER WAY THE VARIANCE, BOTH OF THEM IS THE SAME BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN IMPERVIOUS.
SO THAT DOESN'T EVEN, DOESN'T EVEN REALLY MATTER WHAT HE'S GONNA DO.
WE COULD AUTHORIZE IT FOR THE EXISTING DIMENSIONS, BUT THE VARIANCE WOULD ALLOW HIM TO GO UP.
YEAH, HE COULD GO ALL THE WAY.
OH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY IT TO THE VARIANCE ONLY FOR THAT DIMENSION.
YOU COULD SPECIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR AN AREA OF 25 OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE COULD PAVE IT, BRING IT UP NEXT TO, TO THE SIDE OF HIS HOUSE AND PUT THE CAR THERE.
HE NEEDS VARIANCE FOR THIS TO LEGALIZE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT YEAH, LIKE HONESTLY, THIS IS NOT EVEN RELEVANT.
DOESN'T REQUIRE, LIKE CONCEIVABLY, IF YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, IF YOU ACTUALLY ELIMINATED, WELL, DIDN'T DO THIS, BUT ELIMINATED THIS, UM, FLANK ON THE SIDE MM-HMM.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS WOULD BE LOGICAL 'CAUSE IT WOULD KIND OF RUIN THE FLOW OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT AS LONG AS YOU DIDN'T EXCEED 30, YOU COULD DO LIKE A HAMMERHEAD TOWARDS THE INTERIOR.
AND, UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE ALTERNATIVES THAT MINIMIZE THE VARIANCES.
I THINK THAT QUESTION SHOULD BE POSED.
UM, IF, IF THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WOULD THE BOARD BE MORE INCLINED TO, LET ME JUST POSE THIS QUESTION.
WOULD THE BOARD BOARD BE MORE INCLINED? I WISH THIS YELLOW WOULDN'T KEEP JUMPING UP, BUT, UM, LET'S SAY THIS WERE BUILT AND THIS WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE GETTING FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE BEARINGS THEN? YEAH.
I MEAN, THIS IS TOTALING 37, UM, 20 AND 17.
UM, YOU'RE FURTHER FROM THE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'D PICK UP THERE.
UM, BUT THE SIDE YARD DIFFERENCE IS ONLY 13.5 FEET.
IT'S EVEN LESS BECAUSE YOU'D BE PULLING IT FROM THIS POINT, WHICH IS CLOSER.
IT'S PROBABLY LIKE GOING FROM EIGHT TO 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT GAINING MUCH.
WELL, IF YOU AT 30 INSTEAD OF 37, IT WOULD WORK.
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PERMITTED.BUT IF HE'S GOING TO, WHAT'S EXISTING IS 37, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF, UM, HE'S LOOKING FOR FUNCTIONAL TURNAROUND SPACE.
I THINK IN GENERAL, UM, THAT CAME IN SEVEN FEET COULD HAVE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE SETBACK? I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBERS FROM HERE.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE 37, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IF THIS CAME IN SEVEN FEET, IT'S EIGHT FEET.
HE, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SEVEN, EIGHT FOOT IS WHAT HE HAS.
SO HE NEEDS ANOTHER EIGHT FEET.
YOU MOVE IT 16 OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU GET IT 30, THEN YOU DON'T NEED A VARIANCE.
SO YOU'RE, I THINK IN ESSENCE, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO MINIMIZE THE VARIANCE IF THEY CAN.
I, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IT WAS THE, IN THE FRONT YARD.
NOTICE IN THE PICTURES THEY POSTED THAT, UM, THEY PARKED THEIR CAR AND THEY WERE MAKING THE CAR IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE FRONT LAWN.
THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S HOW SAYS VAN.
SEE THEY PARK IT ON THE FRONT LAWN.
I WAS GONNA SAY, SAY, CAN WE ASSUME THE BEST THAT THEY WANTED IT CLEAR FOR THE PHOTO? I JUST SAY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? THEY JUST WANTED TO YEAH.
WHO BENEFITED THAT ON THAT ONE? I, BUT I JUST TO BUILD A, A
THE NEIGHBOR WAS THE ONE WHO TALKED ABOUT THE TURNAROUND.
AND I'M SAYING YOU DON'T NEED THE 37 FEET FOR THE TURNAROUND BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE DRIVEWAY YOU DON'T NEED, IT'S ONLY IF YOU HAVE A CAR PARKED IN THIS AREA THAT YOU, YOU WOULD NEED THAT EXTRA SPACE.
SO THAT YOU COULD GET BY AND MANEUVER THE WAY YOU WANNA MANEUVER.
CAN I, HE, HE DID MENTION HIS WIFE HAS DESCRIBED THAT BACKWARDS.
CAN I SEE SOMEONE'S APPLICATION REAL QUICK? WERE THEY RESPONDED WITH THE, TO THE AREA VARIANCE CRITERIA? THANKS.
I THINK I TEND TO AGREE THAT WE, WE LET HIM KNOW THAT HE'S GOT COME UP WITH ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE MM-HMM.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.
AND THERE IS, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE FLOODING AND THEY SAID, OH NO, I'LL TAKE IT.
BUT THEN THEY GOT UP AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER IS COMING DOWN TO BUENA VISTA.
THE
BUT ULTIMATELY ADMINISTRATIVELY WE, WE, WE WILL BE REVIEWING FROM A STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE.
SO I, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO I, I THINK, UM, YOU CERTAINLY WANNA SEE ALTERNATIVES AND IN LOOKING AT THEIR RESPONSES, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO, UM, ASK FOR MORE CLEAR DELINEATION OF, OF, OF THE BENEFIT.
UM, I THINK THE SAFETY THING, UM, IS IMPORTANT.
AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER, WHETHER IT'S FOR VEHICULAR CIRCULATION OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WITH THE CHIL THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN COULD HAVE THEM MAYBE EXPRESS THAT MORE CLEARLY IN WRITING.
UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HEARD, SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MEETS THE NEEDS THAT, UM, BRINGS THE, THE, THE VARIANCE RE TO A REDUCED, UH, STATE.
IT'S HIL HILDEN GROUND ENGINEERING.
I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT THE BOARD'S JOB TO, UH, REDESIGN THIS DRIVEWAY'S.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY CAME UP WITH THIS AND SAID, YEAH, SEE IF YOU'LL GET IT TO PASS.
AND, AND NOW THAT YOU RAN INTO A SLIGHT ROADBLOCK, THERE'S NO REASON WHY THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO ANOTHER OPTION THAT MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF NOT, UM, INCREASING BEYOND THE ORDINANCE ORDINANCES.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL WRITE THAT UP.
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ALL RIGHT.WE HAVE ONE, ONE MORE, RIGHT? WE HAVE, UH, BAYBERRY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY THE LITTLE CIRCULAR PATIO, SO THAT'LL, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.
I MEAN, HOW BIG IS YOUR CARS? 31 FEET TO BACK UP.
AND THE HEDGE IS ALREADY THERE.
THEY HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL, OH YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO GARRETT, YES.
THEY SAID THEY DID ALL THIS WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
IS THIS ALL ON THEIR, IS THIS, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? HOW TO SAY? THIS IS ALL ON THE PLAN.
OH, WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT? YEAH.
AND WHEN DID THEY SAY THAT WAS ALL SIX 2006.
2006 WAS THE DRIVEWAY SETBACK IN PLACE IN 2006.
UM, WE DID NOT, THERE WERE NOT VARIANCES ISSUED AT THAT TIME.
AND, AND, AND CERTAINLY THE DRIVEWAY SETBACKS WERE IN PLACE, PROBABLY THOSE, UM, BUT THAT'S INDEED WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THAT REDUCED THE DISTANCE FROM A DRIVEWAY FROM 20 TO ZERO.
SO IN, IN, IN ESSENCE, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS, UM, IT WAS BUILT AND, UM, MAYBE THE AS-BUILT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WASN'T ACCURATE.
UM, THE INITIAL DRIVEWAY WAS, UH, UM, GRAVEL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, HAD A BED, PROBABLY HAD A BED BETWEEN THERE AND THEY JUST PAVED UP TO THE, UM, TREES.
UM, IF I MAY, THE, THE ORIGINAL WAS A GRAVEL DRIVE THAT DID NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN EITHER WHEN THEY PAVED, UM, AFTER THE SEAL WAS ISSUED, THEY, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY EXPANDED OUT.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PUT IT AND, AND, AND THEN SAY OPEN STAIR LEGALIZE.
BUT THE, THE THING IS TO, IN REALITY, YOU HAD A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, YOU DECIDE TO GET IT PAVED AND YOU CALL IN THE PAPERS AND THEY PAVE IT.
DID YOU STAND THERE AND SAY IT'S NOT, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE A HOMEMAKER.
YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE NOT GETTING AN ENGINEER BECAUSE THE GUY COMES TO PAVE NEXT THING YOU COME HOME AFTER WORK AND HE'S PAVED IT UP.
TRUST ANOTHER $5,000 FOR ALL THAT EXTRA PAYMENT.
WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
'CAUSE IF THIS, UM, WAS A, IF THIS WAS 20 FEET AND THIS IS 30, THAT MEANS THIS IS LIKE 10 FEET FROM HERE TO HERE.
AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GO IN OKAY.
TO THE GARAGE WITH THREE FEET.
SO IT HAD TO HAVE EXCEEDED THE 20 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND IT SAYS, OKAY, YOU HEAR WHAT, WHAT LUKE SAID, WHAT HE SAID.
IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY BEEN IN COMPLIANCE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE GARAGE.
I, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES HOUSES ARE NOT PUT WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PUT EITHER.
NO, YOU WERE 25 INSTEAD OF 30.
YOU COULD DO IT, YOU COULD BACK OUT 25.
BUT THEN THAT WOULD STILL BE NON-CONFORMING.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR 31, ALMOST 31.
YOU WANT ME TO TAKE UP SOME MORE FAVORS? YEAH.
AND TO GO AND TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, I FIND, UM, INAPPROPRIATE.
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YOU KNOW, IT JUST SENDS A MESSAGE.BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAVE A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 2006.
YOU USE THE PAPERS FOR THE NEW EXTENSION ON THERE IN THE BACK.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY AT 30.5 EXISTING.
SO THEY JUST WANT TO NOT, UH, HIT.
THEY'RE ARE PROVIDING WITH THEIR BUMPER WHEN THEY'RE BACKING OUT AND THEY WANNA ADD ANOTHER 1.3% TO TAKE IT TO ZERO.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
DIDN'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MY FEELING IS I WOULD LEGALIZE THE EXISTING AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO GO THE OTHER 1.3.
RIGHT AT THE FOOT OF THE BODIES.
AND ACCORDING TO THE, THEY PUT IN A DRAINAGE SYSTEM THERE, THE DRAIN BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY TOOK OUT THE GREENERY GREEN AREA SINCE IT WAS, IT WAS PROBABLY GRAVEL CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, IF IT SLOPES AWAY FROM THE GARAGE SLIGHTLY, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SOMETHING SO IT DOESN'T FLOW OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING IS THEY SAY, OKAY, WHEN YOU, YOU REALLY DID CONCERN, YOU PUT IN A WHOLE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON THE BROKE THE LEGAL THING.
SO THEY HAVE A WHOLE, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF VALES, RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE THE PREVIOUS SERVICE COVERAGE.
DID THEY TAKE THAT OFF TWO COURT? NO, THAT, NO, IT'S, IT'S AT THE STREET.
DRIVEWAY IS A NUMBER 32.5, 32.3.
THEY REMEMBER THEY, IT WAS LIKE RIGHT ON TOP.
WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? I THINK THAT'S BOTH OF THOSE ARE, UM, DISTANCE OF THE GARAGE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S NOT THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S JUST A DIMENSION LINE DIMENSION.
THE CORNER OF THE, FROM THERE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE 30.7 BELOW, SAME THING.
BUT THE HOUSE ISN'T ACTUALLY PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD'S LIKE THERE.
IT IT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
BECAUSE THE DRIVE, BECAUSE THE, THE DRIVER GOES TO THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE SEEKING TO HAVE VERIFIED THAT, UH, DOESN'T EXCEED THE 30 FOOT WIDTH.
WELL, I'M WONDERING WHETHER THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY POINT, WHETHER THAT 32.3 IS SHOULD TO OUR ACCURATE FIGURE.
THE 30, I THINK THE 32.3 IS NOT THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
NO, BECAUSE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY CUTS OFF.
TRENCH DRAIN, THERE'S, YEAH, IT SAYS, SO IT'S 30.7 THERE.
30 POINT 0.7 WOULD BE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S ZERO, THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH.
THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IS STILL 30.7, WHICH IS WHAT, ALL THE WAY BACK.
IT'S NOT 32.3 FEET, 30 THREE'S THAT ARROW.
BUT IT'S NOT PAVED THERE, I GUESS.
NO, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE YOU.
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WHY ARE, ARE THE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS? NO.SO THEY'RE YES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, DON'T THEY? BECAUSE THEY'RE SO, SO TIGHT.
UM, GRAVEL, UH, UM, ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
OH, THERE ARE BENEFITS FROM DRAIN.
I HAVE A LITTLE STREAM NOW IN MY DRIVEWAY AND THE WATER JUST COMES THROUGH.
THE RETAINING WALL GOES TO MY PAVERS AND THEN IT JUST GOES DOWN.
GOES DOWN EVENTUALLY, BUT IT'S ALWAYS THERE.
SO WHAT WE
WELL, WAIT, HERE'S THE QUESTION.
IF THEY GET RID OF THE CIRCLE, HOW MUCH IS THAT 12 FOOTAGE? WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE? VERY LITTLE, BUT VERY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS CIRCLE OVER HERE? YEAH.
I THOUGHT I SAW SOME, I THINK SAID IT'S 2 5300 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT BRINGS IT DOWN SOME, IT BRINGS IT CLOSER TO EXISTING, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT GONNA GO TO OBVIOUSLY TO THE PERMITTED MAYBE 1% OR LESS THAN A PERCENT SOMETHING.
I SAID LET HIM DO IT AND GET RID OF THAT.
I SAID, OKAY, ARE WE OKAY? SO SO I THINK THOUGH IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WE, THAT ALTHOUGH IT WAS AT, AT SOME POINT, OBVIOUSLY IT EXCEEDED THE CODE.
UM, IT DIDN'T START OUT THAT WAY.
AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE THINGS PAVED, THE PAVERS DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHERE YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS.
ULTIMATELY, DO YOU WANT ADJOURN? WE WE'LL HAVE QUANTIFIED HOW PREVIOUS BE REDUCED BY THE REMOVAL OF THAT, UM, SECTION THAT THEY INDICATED AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE MORE HISTORY ON WHAT THE BREAKDOWN WAS IN TERMS OF UM, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
WHAT WAS, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED REALLY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEIR CARS WANNA SEE THE AS BILL AT SOME POINT.
BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY GOT THE C O AND SEE.
SO THAT WAS FIXED AT, AT SOME POINT WHETHER TIME WE'LL HAVE VERIFY THAT DRIVING DOESN'T EXCEED 30 FEET IN THOSE AREAS THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT.
WE'LL HAVE TO ADJOURN THE, ALRIGHT.
WAIT, DO WE WANNA EVEN, I WAS WONDERING, TALK ABOUT THE SHEDS OR WHERE THEY ARE.
WHAT IS THERE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SHEDS ABOUT GARRETT SAID THAT THEY, OTHER THAN BEING IN THE, UH, THE FACT THAT THERE'S TWO OF THEM, I THINK ONE OF THEM IN, THERE'S TWO IN THE REAR AND THEY'RE IN THE, THEY'RE PERMITTED IN THE REAR, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY'RE IN THE SIDE YARD.
YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE SHED PER RESIDENCE AND UM, MAKING THE VARIANCE FOR HAVING TWO AND THEN ONE SHED, ONE OF THE TWO SHEDS IS IN THE SIDE YARD.
ONE QUESTION, IF ONE OF YOUR SHEDS WERE TO BE A PLAYHOUSE, IS THAT STILL CONSIDERED A SHED? IF IT FALLS IN THE WOODS AND YOU'RE NOT THERE.
IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A PLAYHOUSE.
ULTIMATELY THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SCREENING ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE PROPERTY'S, WE CAN'T REALLY SEE.
SO I DON'T IF IT'S A VISUAL THING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S, WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE SHEDS IN CASE WE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS SO WE DON'T GO BACK.
AND NEXT TIME I QUESTIONS I'M FINE.
DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT US TO ASK WHY THERE ARE TWO THAT HELPED YOU? NO,
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I'M FINE WITH THEM.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE IS THE ONE LOOKS LIKE IT HAS NEW WINDOWS ON IT.
THAT THAT'S THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE PLAYHOUSE.
IS THAT THE ONE RIGHT NEXT? YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY IN FRONT.
WHEREAS THIS ONE IS MORE OF UTILITARIAN.
I MEAN, THERE, I'M FINE WITH THEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOTALLY BLOCKED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE IS OKAY BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE CASE TILL THE NEXT TIME.
NO, IT'S GOOD TO ASK THAT WE, YEAH.
UH, AND THE LAST ONE'S THE, UH, CHURCH OF SACRED HEART.
I KNOW WHERE WE ARE, BUT WHERE ARE WE? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS A
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE.
THERE'S AN ENTRANCE IN THE BACK, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER WAY.
THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET IN.
TWO OTHER WAYS IN, RIGHT? LIKE, IT'S NOT, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S 63.45, SO IT'S PRETTY, I'M OKAY.
3.45 OVER, WHICH IS, BUT IT IS A RELIGIOUS, WE HAVE TO MAKE CONCESSIONS.
I FORGET WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS NOW.
I HAVEN'T DONE IT SO LONG OBLIGATION.
DID SOMEONE, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY WANNA TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT ONE? SOMETHING THAT ONE OF US CAN WRITE UP? OR, OR NOT? I, I CAN.
SO KIARA'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE, UM, FORM.
I DON'T HAVE, THIS WAS A COMBINATION SETTING YOU UP OH.
SO THE RATIONALE, OH, YOU ALREADY WROTE IT TO NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE RATIONALE, UM, FOR THE VARIANCE YOU WILL SEND US TOMORROW.
WHAT'S DONE TONIGHT IS JUST THE, THE FACTUAL INFORMATION MOTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TAKEN AWAY, I HAVEN'T DONE, THIS IS MINE.
YOU COULD, WELL THIS ONE IS YOURS.
SO SHE HAS, IS THAT, IS THAT THE DETERMINATION OF THE BOARD? THAT IF IT WEREN'T RELIGIOUS, YOU WOULDN'T GIVE IT? BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT DOESN'T EVEN ENTER THE EQUATION.
WE NEED A, WE NEED A QUESTION ANSWERED.
UM, FOR THE SAKE OF COURT, IS THE ACCOMMODATION BEING MADE FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES OR JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THEY SAID IT WAS, THERE'S DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THE PAST THREE YEARS.
THERE THERE'S NO REASON TO, UH, REFER TO ANY NO, IT'S NOT ACCOMMODATION.
IF, IF YOU SUPPORT THE VARIANCE, WE DON'T YEAH.
THERE'S NO NEED TO, UH, MENTION ANY OF THAT.
UNLESS I'M, UM, MIS MIS MISSPEAKING AT.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THE STENOGRAPHER'S GOOD.
DO YOU NEED, UM, A COUPLE MINUTES TO RE REGROUP OR DO YOU FEEL UM, NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
BUT, UH, WELL I WAS GONNA ASK HER WHAT DOES SHE NEED? YEAH.
WELL WE, THE SHEETS WE HAVE, I'M JUST GONNA DO THE DATES OF THE PLANS.
UM, SO REALLY IT'S JUST, JUST A MOTION.
JUST SO FROM NOW ON, WE'RE NEVER DOING FINE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I YES, I'M, I IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN, IN YES.
I'M SAYING NIGHT OF I'M SAYING NIGHT OF WE DO THEM TOMORROW IN THE MORNING.
IT MAKES, IT SAVES US AN HOUR.
WHY? WE DON'T DO AS GOOD OF A JOB.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH? BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THEM TO YOU IN A TIMELY
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MANNER.YOU HAVE PAID STAFF, WE CAN HANDLE THAT FOR YOU.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND IT BACK.
YOU JUST DID IT AND IT WAS DONE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S STILL NOT LIKE, I MEAN I JUST DO IT AND SEND IT.
YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO ME.
NO, I KNOW, BUT I WAS GONNA TELL YOU LIKE I, YOU KNOW, ONCE I DO IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO, YOU DON'T WANNA SEE IT AGAIN.
I DON'T WELL THAT'S THE TOPIC.
WHEN WE USED TO JUST WRITE IT, HE LISTENS TO IT.
I CORRECT YOU AS WE GO ALONG SOMETIMES.
NO, BUT THEY WERE WAY MORE INVOLVED.
YEAH, BUT WHO'S WRITING THESE UP? I'M SORRY? WHO'S WRITING THESE UP? DON'T ASK.
PLAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN'S.
SO ARE WE READING THE FINDINGS? NO.
YOU HAVE TO WRITE THEM UP AT HOME AND THEN SEND THEM TO ED.
THOSE AREN'T ACTUAL FINDINGS, YOU JUST, YOU'RE JUST DOING THE MOTION.
YEAH, THOSE ARE PROBABLY LIKE SEND SEND THE UM, RATIONAL OUT FOR THE FIVE IF YOU WANNA DO IT TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE TO THIS, TO THIS MATTER.
WELL THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO DO IS TO CORRECT THESE TWO NUMBERS HERE.
DID YOU DO THE FINDINGS FOR THIS ONE ALREADY? NO, WE DON'T DO THE FINDING.
YOU HAVE TO, THE RATIONALE, THIS IS, WE'LL GET SEND THIS TO YOU IN WORD AND YEAH.
THAT'S ALL FACTUAL INFORMATION, RIGHT? UM, THIS, YOU PROVIDE A RESPONSE ABOUT FEASIBLE MEANS.
YOU PROVIDE A RESPONSE FOR THIS.
YOU PROVIDE A RESPONSE FOR THIS.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO ANY OF THIS TONIGHT.
I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS PART.
SO YOU MEAN YOU WERE GONNA SEND HIM THAT? YEAH, WE'LL SEND HIM DOWN IN WORK.
I DON'T, I DON'T BECAUSE I NEVER, WE SEND THE RESPECTIVE BOARD MEMBER IN WORD, UM, THAT VERY DOCUMENT.
I JUST TAKE THE, AND I RETYPE IT.
WE'LL THAT'S 'CAUSE YOU GET YOURS OUT, SO.
NO, YOU GOT, BECAUSE I, I LIKE TO DO IT EARLY IN THE MORNING.
AND YOU GUYS SEND IT IN THE AFTERNOON SO I IT'S DONE BEFORE.
I DON'T WAIT FOR TO SEND THAT TO ME.
SEE I'M GLAD I SPOKE UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT THESE FINDINGS WERE DONE AND I WOULD'VE SAID AS LONG AS YOU GET IT MICHAEL ARE I WRITE IT UP? I DON'T WAIT FOR THEM TO SEND ME THAT.
UH, MICHAEL ARE YOU READY TO UM, DO HEY ERIC DIRECTLY TO YOU AND LIKE I CAN SEND IT DIRECTLY TO YOU WHEN I DO.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, WHEN YOU'RE READY.
ARE WE READY? WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
YOU HAVE YOUR SECRET SHEET? I HAVE MY SECRET SHEET, WHICH IS GONNA BE APPLICABLE TWO TIMES FOR THE TWO DECISIONS.
AND WE ARE BACK ON RECORD WITH OUR RESULTS OF OUR DELIBERATIONS.
AND FIRST ON, ON THE CASE OF 2305 UNITED REFRIGERATION, WHO HAS ASKED FOR AN ADJOURNMENT? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVED TO ADJOURN ON THE CBA CASE 23 5 UNITED REFRIGERATION.
I MOVED TO ADJOURN THE CASE Z B A CASE 2305 UNITED REFRIGERATION TO THE MEETING OF JUNE 15TH, 2023.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE 2306 DOCTRINE.
AND THAT IS WE HAVE A MOTION? YES WE DO.
WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENC APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND THEREFORE NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRED.
NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATIONS.
AND NOW DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, I DO.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION AND CASE NUMBER 2306
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BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THAT CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BILLING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED NOVEMBER 21ST, 2022 AND LAST REVISED ON MAY 1ST, 2023 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCE IS BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO READ ANY FINDINGS THIS EVENING.
THE FINDINGS, HOWEVER, WILL BE PRODUCED AND THEY WILL BE PUT INTO THE UH, RECORD AS WELL AS ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEM CAN CONTACT THE SECRETARY.
AND THERE WE ARE TO THE NEXT CASE, WHICH IS CASE 23 0 8 40 MILL REALTY L L C AND 10 SAW MILL REALTY L L C.
THAT IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY TO THE MEETING OF JUNE 15TH AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 2310.
JARED LINDSEY, THAT ALSO IS A ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF JUNE 15TH.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS, I'M SORRY, THAT ONE ALSO IS ADJOURNED TO THE MEETING OF JUNE 15TH.
THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 2312 CHERYL AND BERT HEARNS.
AND THAT IS ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF JUNE 15TH.
THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 2313 CHURCH OF THE SACRED HEART AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRED.
NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
I NOTE THE APPLICATION CASE NUMBER 23 DASH 13 BE GRANTED.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION CASE NUMBER 23 DASH 13 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT ONE, THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED, STAMPED, AND RECEIVED ON APRIL 14TH, 2023 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE PROVIDED HEARING.
AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THIS EVENING AND WE WILL SEE EVERYONE ON JUNE 15TH AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE REAL SPRING OR SUMMER.