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[ DRAFT TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, June 7, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 7TH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. F*G WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
MR. SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
MR. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, TONIGHT IS A VERY UNUSUAL NIGHT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, WE HAVE, UM, REDO THE AUDIO AUDIOVISUAL, UH, FACILITIES IN THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ONLY ON ZOOM AND NOT ON STREAM.
WE MUCH PREFER IT TO BE ON TELEVISION WHERE IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO HEAR, SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST TONIGHT FOR EVERYBODY TO HEAR US.
THE SECOND THING IS, THE REASON WE'RE PHYSICALLY HERE TONIGHT WHEN EVERY ONE OF US SHOULD PROBABLY BE IN OUR HOUSE, AND I HOPE YOU STAY IN YOUR HOUSE UNLESS YOU HAVE TO GO OUT, IS BECAUSE OF THE NEW YORK OPEN MEETINGS LAW.
IT WAS MODIFIED SOMEWHAT DUR DURING, UH, DURING AN EMERGENCY PERIOD, DURING, DURING COVID, SO THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT ON ZOOM.
WHAT THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IS THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME OTHER KIND OF EMERGENCY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR IT TO ALSO BE USED, AND THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A PERFECT NIGHT GIVEN.
WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF OUR ARRANGEMENT THIS EVENING.
APPLICANTS WILL ALL BE ON ZOOM.
SO, UM, FEEL FREE TO WRITE YOUR, UH, STATE SENATOR OR, UH, YOUR, UH, YOUR STATE ASSEMBLY PERSON AND TELL THEM THAT THEY SHOULD CHANGE THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE US SHOULDN'T COME OUT AND RISK OUR, OUR HEALTH, UH, HERE.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FROM THE BOARD THAT DID COME OUT AND STAFF THAT CAME OUT, AND A COUPLE OF, UH, OF OUR LOCAL CITIZENS AS WELL.
AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND ALSO WHY THE PEOPLE STAYED AT HOME AND ARE ON, ON ZOOM TONIGHT, GIVEN THAT DON'T WANT THEM TO COMPROMISE THEIR HEALTH EITHER.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, JUST BEAR WITH US TONIGHT.
WE'LL TRY TO DO, DO A GOOD JOB AND HEAR AND HEAR EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE SAID.
UH, LET'S START WITH THE MINUTES.
UM, TOM, I KNOW YOU HAD A COUPLE, A COUPLE CHANGES.
I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ON PAGE SIX, AND IT'S THE SECOND FULL PARAGRAPH.
IT SAYS, MR. HAY ASKED WHERE THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC WIRES AS DEPICTED ON THE PLAN ARE PROPOSED TO GO.
UM, IN FACT, I DIDN'T SEE THEM ON THE PLAN, SO I WOULD SUGGEST TO CHANGE THAT.
WHERE, WHERE, UM, SECOND PARAGRAPH, PAGE SIX, THE SECOND FULL PARAGRAPH ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN.
I, I WOULD SUGGEST TO SAY, MR. HAY ASKED, OR THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC WIRES ARE PROPOSED TO GO AS HE DID NOT SEE THEM DEPICTED ON PLAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE DEPICTED.
FULL PARAGRAPH, CORRECT PARAGRAPH.
OH, SO THIS THIRD PARAGRAPH, SECOND FULL PARAGRAPH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE, TO THE MINUTES? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CHANGES? NO.
OKAY, AS USUAL, GOOD JOB, UH, ON THESE, MATT, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED PLEASE? SO, MOVE SECOND, UH, TOM AND CORT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ONE EXTENSION TONIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY, WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION.
UH, WAS THAT ON SPRINT? THAT'S ONE ON SPRAYING SPRAIN.
UM, THIS IS THE THIRD SUBDIVISION, UH, THIRD SUBDIVISION.
THE THIRD, PARDON ME? THIRD EXTENSION.
SO IT'S THE WEATHER, THIRD EXTENSION, UH, APPROVAL.
AND, UH, AARON, DON'T YOU JUST UPDATE ME ON WHAT THEY TOLD YOU AND THE STATUS, PLEASE? RIGHT.
SO THE APPLICANT WAS WAITING FOR A LETTER FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION AND PLAT, AS WELL AS A WILLS SERVE LETTER HUNG DOWN TO BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
UM, THEY DID RECEIVE THE DO H'S APPROVAL LETTER WITH RESPECT TO THE SUBDIVISION PLATT, AND THEY FINALLY DID GET THE WILLS SERVE LETTER FROM THE TOWN, WHICH THEY NEEDED TO PROVIDE TO THE WATER, PRIVATE WATER COMPANY, VIOLA, UM, BEFORE IT WOULD SIGN THE, UH, PLAN SET.
SO THERE NOW HAVE COORDINATED ALL THAT AND WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TO SIGN THE SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THEY EXPECT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING WORK SOON SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN GO FOR FINE.
SO WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? THREE MONTHS OR WHAT? THEY DID ASK FOR THE 180 DAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TWICE.
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IN CASE.UM, ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? SO MOVED.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, WALTER.
UM, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, UM, IS THE PAN, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, WE'VE MET WITH THEM BEFORE.
THERE ARE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE LAST TIME, I BELIEVE, UH, IN TERMS OF FENCING.
UH, ACTUALLY, COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR ME, AARON? SO I CERTAINLY CAN, UH, OR WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THE REVISIONS THAT THEY
WELL, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU JUST OUTLINE WHAT THE QUESTIONS OUT FIRST AND WE'LL LET HIM ANSWER THEM, PLEASE.
SO THERE WAS A QUESTION RELATED TO IF FENCING WAS GONNA BE ADDED ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALLS.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT PLANTINGS COULD BE INSTALLED BETWEEN THE RETAINING WALLS.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE WAY THEY WERE LAYING OUT THE TREES, UH, COULD BE MODIFIED TO HAVE A BETTER LAYOUT, SEE THE FLOWERING TREES.
IF I RECALL, YES, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE A PERVIOUS OR PERMEABLE SURFACE FOR ANY PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHETHER THERE WAS GONNA BE ANY LIGHTING ALONG THE LENGTHY CURVY DRIVEWAY.
AND THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER, UM, THERE COULD BE ANY SUSTAINABLE ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATED INTO THE HOUSE DESIGN OR OTHERWISE ON THE SITE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, MR. CHUNG HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO I HAD ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS.
I HAD RESUBMITTED THREE SITE, THREE SHEETS, UH, SHEET THREE, THE OVERALL SITE PLAN SHEET EIGHT, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, AND SHEET 11, THE RETAINING WALL, UH, UH, DETAILS.
IT WAS A, IT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD CALL.
UH, I ADDED A SAFETY FENCE ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.
I HAVE ADDED A DETAIL ON SHEET 11 SHOWING THE HOW THE, HOW THE FENCE WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PLANTINGS, I DID PUT PLANTINGS IN BETWEEN THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM WALL.
UH, THAT'S, UH, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SOME SMALL, SMALL SHRUBS, UM, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, THE ADJUSTMENTS OF TREES FOR BETTER VISIBILITY.
I AM WORKING WITH, UH, STEFAN, WHO IS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT HAS SUBMITTED HIS TREE REMOVAL APPLICATION TO THE TOWN.
UH, HE'S LOOKING AT THE EXISTING TREES FROM OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD AND SEEING WHICH OTHER ADDITIONAL ONES THAT HE MAY WANT TO REMOVE, UM, FOR BETTER AESTHETICS, UH, TO SEE THE TREES IN THE FRONT, UH, PERMEABLE PAVERS.
THAT WAS ALSO A GOOD, A GOOD CALL.
I ADDED 1,235 SQUARE FEET OF PERMEABLE PAVERS ON THE TOP PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY, UH, LIGHTING.
UM, THERE IS A GUARDRAIL THAT, UH, FOLLOWS ALONG THE LOWER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES UP TO THE TOP.
AND, UH, I HAVE PROPOSED LIGHTING TO BE INSTALLED ALONG WITH THE GUARDRAIL.
UH, IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, 1.5 WATT LOW VOLTAGE LIGHTING THAT CAN BE FASTENED TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE GUARDRAIL AS IT GOES UP THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMPONENTS.
UH, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE HOUSE HAS SUBMITTED, UH, HAS SENT ME A LETTER STATING THAT, UM, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, UH, WITH SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMPONENTS IN, IN IN MIND, BUT I BELIEVE THAT ADDRESS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WALTER? ONE QUESTION IS, UH, WOULD THE HOUSE HAVE, UH, WHEN YOU BUILD THE HOUSE, THIS NEEDS TO PUT A CONDUIT TO RUN FROM NEAR THE ROOF INTO YOUR POWER STATION.
SO IF IN THE FUTURE YOU WANTED TO PUT IN SOLAR, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO RIP OUT WALLS, YOU JUST SNAKE A WIRE DOWN THE CONDUIT.
AND WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THE HOUSE, THAT SHOULD BE A MINOR EXPENSE JUST TO PUT RUN EXTRA.
YES, ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE SIMPLE TO DO.
SINCE EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE UNDERGROUND FROM OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD TO THE TOP OF THE HOUSE, WE GOT A SEWER LINE, WE GOT, UH, UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC, AND WE GOT, UH, UM, A WATER MAIN THAT COMES FROM OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD TO THE HOUSE.
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TWO INCH CONDUIT TO THAT.NO, I'M NOT SAYING THE CONDUIT FROM THE ROAD.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, UH, THE CONDUIT FROM YOUR, UH, PANEL, FROM YOUR PANEL TO RUN THE IN, UH, AND RUN A CAN DO IT UP TO THE ATTIC.
OH, UP TO THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RIP OUT WALLS IF YOU DECIDE TO DO, UH, UH, A SOLAR PANEL ON A RUNNER ON THE OUTSIDE.
UH, COR, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK, UH, VERY HAPPY THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING THE PERMEABLE PAPERS FOR SUCH A LONG DRIVEWAY.
AND I THINK, UH, COUCH SHOULD REALLY REQUIRE MOST OF THE DRIVERS TO BE AT LEAST A PARTIALLY PERMEABLE PAPER.
SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR AND COMMAND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UH, THE, THE HOUSE.
SINCE YOUR ARCHITECT IS TRYING TO INCORPORATE, UH, THE SUSTAINABLE FEATURES, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN ASK HIM TO CONSIDER, HE CAN, UH, QUALIFY FOR SILVER OR GOLD CERTIFICATE FROM LEAD.
I WILL ASK THE, I'LL ASK THE ARCHITECT, UH, ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MONA? YEAH.
UM, AND WITH THE SAME THINKING IN LINE THAT WALTER WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT WITH, FOR SOLAR ENERGY ON THE ROOF, PERHAPS WE COULD ALSO ASK THE ARCHITECT TO HAVE THEM, UM, HAVE THE GARAGE READY FOR, UH, AN ELECTRIC CHARGER FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MIGHT, THE HOMEOWNER MIGHT HAVE, UM, AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE DOWN THE ROAD, THE ROAD, JUST TO HAVE THAT OUTLET IN THE GARAGE.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A CHARGER, THE HOMEOWNER.
ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION OF STAFF TO CHECK IN WITH THE LOCAL FIRE DISTRICT CHIEF IF THERE WERE ANY CONCERNS FROM A FIREFIGHTING STANDPOINT.
AND HE DID SAY THAT HE LOOKED AT THE PLANS PRELIMINARILY AND DID NOT EN ENVISION ANY ISSUE, BUT HE WAS GONNA LOOK AT IT WITH HIS ASSISTANT CHIEF AND GET BACK TO US AHEAD OF ANY PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I THINK THIS IS, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I THINK THIS IS READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO CAN WE PUT IT ON FOR THE NEXT DATE, WHICH IS 21ST? JUNE 21ST.
SO LET'S PUT IT ON FOR THE 21ST.
SO, MR. CHUNG, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND THE SIGNAGE THAT'S REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, LIKELY TOMORROW.
SHE'S WAVING HER HANDS' ON MUTE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY TINY ON MY SCREEN, SO I CAN'T SEE YOU, SO, AND YOU'RE ON MUTE.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING FOR TONIGHT.
UH, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE AGAIN? UH, MR. SCHMIDT? SURE.
MS. F*G WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER BECAUSE MR. SNAS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE ONE CASE THIS EVENING.
IT'S CASE, UH, PB 2307 BOADA JEEP DEALERSHIP AT THREE 80 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
IT'S FOR PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR NEW VEHICLE SALES, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A SOME LAND, SOME WAIVERS FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
THIS WAS, UH, FORMALLY PLAYTIME, I THINK IT WAS CALLED, CALLED SPORTS.
U S A A WAS, IT'S A KIND OF A BIG BUILDING, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS REPURPOSING THE CURRENT BUILDING WITH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AS AN AUTOMOTIVE DEALER DEALERSHIP.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS, UH, TURN OVER THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING TONIGHT AS TO WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
HELEN MARCH FROM THE LAW FIRM OF MINSTER MARCH.
WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, ADA THREE 80 SAWMILL, UH, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT THREE 80 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
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UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AND MOVE THEIR G DEALERSHIP, UH, FROM WHITE PLAINS TO THIS SITE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE TOWN, THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE COMPLETELY UPDATED.
UH, SITE WORK WILL INCLUDE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURES AND NEW LANDSCAPING, AND A NEW PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED.
UH, AS YOU INDICATED, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, SEEKING, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THIS BOARD A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND SOME WAIVERS FOR THE LANDSCAPING BUFFERS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UH, PRIOR TO THIS EVENING, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM YOUR BOARD AND STAFF.
WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE COMMENTS, AND, UH, ZACH FROM INSIDE ENGINEERING IS GONNA WALK THROUGH THEM AS PART OF HIS PRESENTATION FOR THE PUBLIC.
UH, AND, UH, JUST BEFORE ZACH BEGINS HIS PRESENTATION, I WANNA THANK THE BOARD FOR THEIR ATTENTION AND FOR THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT MADE TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE APPLICATION THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND OF COURSE, UH, AFTER ZACH'S PRESENTATION WOULD BE PLEASED TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS FROM THE BOARD OR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT ON THIS APPLICATION.
WHAT'S THE SPECIFIC OF, UH, THE TOWN BOARD'S DECISION? WHAT I, I, I, I, YOU, YOU CUT OUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE TOWN BOARD'S DECISION ON THE SITE PLAN? SO WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK.
ON THE TOWN BOARD SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
SO THE SEQUENCE THEN IS THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN BEFORE WE APPROVE THE SPECIAL PERMIT OR VICE VERSA.
SO WE DISCUSSED IT IN VICE, VICE VERSA.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IF THE USE IS GONNA BE PERMITTED BEFORE THE SITE PLANS APPROVED.
THAT'S HOW WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE SEQUENCE IS.
DO YOU WANNA TURN IT OVER? SURE.
ZACH PEARSON WITH INSIGHT ON BEHALF ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN NOW, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU GUYS.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? FLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SURE.
SO, AS HELEN MENTIONED, UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING, UM, COMMERCIAL FACILITY ON A 5.4 ACRE LOT, THREE 80 SAW.
MILL RIVER ROAD WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, AN INDOOR RECREATIONAL USE WITH SOME COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO RENOVATE THE SITE TO SUPPORT THE CAR DEALER, THE PROPOSED CAR DEALERSHIP, UM, THIS EXISTING CONDITIONING, EXISTING BUILDING HERE, EXISTING ASPHALT, UM, SIDEWALKS AND, AND EXISTING UTILITY CONNECTIONS AS WELL.
I'M GONNA GO DOWN HERE TO THE PROPOSED.
UM, EARLY ON, YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH THE TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION AND WE, YOU KNOW, CAME TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE CAR DEALERSHIP USE WAS GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO, UH, CAR DROP OFF, TRUCK DROP OFF TRUCK DELIVERIES.
UM, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT CONCERN.
WE WORKED THROUGH A NUMBER OF COMMENTS THROUGH YOUR CONS, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, JOHN CANNING.
UM, AND WE'VE ADDRESSED, UM, TO DATE, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THOSE CONCERNS RELATIVE TO ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
CURRENTLY THERE'S THREE, UM, ACCESS POINTS.
THERE'S A, A ONE-WAY INN COMING NORTH ON, UH, SOOMO RIVER ROAD.
THERE'S A, UM, INTERSECTION HERE WITH FAIRWAY.
UM, THIS IS A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION IN AND OUT.
AND THEN THERE'S A ONE-WAY NORTH ON, SO MILL HERE.
UM, WE'VE MET WITH THE D O T, UH, EARLY ON.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, COLLIER'S ENGINEERING WILL BE, WILL BE DEALING WITH THE D O T RELATIVE TO THE PERMITTING.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING MINOR, UH, MINOR EDITS, MINOR TWEAKS TO THE ENTRANCES.
UM, THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING CROSSWALKS.
UM, UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING CROSSWALK, CROSS SAW MILL HERE.
WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EXISTING PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS HERE THAT LEAD TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD EARLY ON FROM THE, FROM THE TOWN.
AND WE, WE'VE WORKED TO ADDRESS THOSE.
UM, WE, WE, WE WERE IN RECEIPT OF JOHN'S LATEST COMMENTS.
WE, WE, WE DID REVISE THE PLAN SINCE WE LAST SAW YOU AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, THAT INCLUDED REMOVING, UH, THESE PARKING SPACES HERE, WHICH WERE, UM, PREVIOUSLY INDICATED AS CAR STORAGE.
THIS, THEY DID, UM, KIND OF CONFLICT WITH THE, THE TRUCK TURNING IN THIS LOCATION.
SO WE DID PULL THOSE LOCA, UM, THOSE PARKING SPACES OUT.
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THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF PARKING SPACES RELATIVE TO COMMERCIAL, UH, TO EMPLOYEE SLASH VISITOR, AND THEN CAR STORAGE, AS WELL AS, UM, WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE DISPLAY.STORM WATER, AGAIN, EXISTING SITE, A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ONE, DECREASE THE IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE SITE.
TWO, WE ARE GOING, WE'RE PROPOSING TO CURB THIS SOUTHERN EDGE.
GENERALLY, THE SITE DRAINS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH TOWARDS THE EXISTING BROOK.
UM, SO WE ARE GONNA PROPO, WE'RE PROPOSING TO CURB THAT EDGE TO ALLOW THE, TO STOP THE WATER FROM JUST FREE FLOWING INTO THE BROOK.
AND THEN WE ARE GONNA PROPOSE TO TREAT THAT IN, UM, HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATORS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE STANDARDS.
UM, OVERALL, THERE'S A NET DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS OR DECREASE IN RUNOFF ON THE SITE DUE TO THE DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS.
AND I KNOW THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING LAST TIME ABOUT CLEANING UP THE BROOK.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE PROPERTY LINE KIND OF MEANDERS IN AND OUT OF THE, OF THE BROOK PROPER.
UM, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTING COMMITTED TO, YOU KNOW, CLEANING UP THIS, THIS STREAM EDGE.
THERE IS SOME STUFF, GARBAGE SHOPPING CARTS, WHAT HAVE YOU, KIND OF IN THIS AREA, KIND OF DOWN SLOPE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT THE SITE TO LOOK NICE.
THEY'RE COMMITTED TO MAKING THAT, UM, UPGRADE.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE WE, WE WENT THROUGH.
WE CAN, I CAN TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, AARON HAD MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
UH, WE WILL NEED RELIEF FROM THE BUFFER ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE.
I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A CONCERN AT THE, THE LAST MEETING JUST RELATIVE TO THIS AREA IN HERE, JUST ALONG THE NORTH.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY ROCKY, UH, ROCKY LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO PLANT.
UM, WE DID ADD AN ADDITIONAL TREE TO THE NORTHWEST, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET WITH AARON TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO IN THIS AREA TO, TO TRY TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THERE IF NEEDED.
UM, I THINK THAT ABOUT COVERS THE SITE.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS, MR. CANNING? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR.
UH, THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT LISTED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS 59.
THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PROVIDED, WHICH IT STATED 54, UH, FOR VISITOR EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES.
SO WE COUNTED THEM AND WE COUNTED THAT IT WAS 62.
THEY SEEMED TO HAVE MISSED AN EIGHT SOMEWHERE, PERHAPS.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT TO BE CONFIRMED.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY'RE PROVIDING THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES PER CODE.
YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY CLARIFY THAT.
DID WE TALK, DID WE TALK ABOUT A SIDEWALK ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD? YEAH, YEAH.
THEY HAVE ADDED, I CAN, I CAN TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY.
SO THERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK, UM, COMING NORTH SOUTH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SOUTHERN CORNER COMING NORTH, EXISTING HERE, PROPOSING TO INSTALL A CROSSWALK HERE, KEEP THIS EXISTING SIDE, THIS EXISTING SIDEWALK.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO, WORKING WITH THE D O T, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MEET PRO AG STANDARDS WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR STANDARDS RELATIVE TO A D A TRIPPING, HAZARDS, ALL THAT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN TO THIS EXISTING SIDEWALK, THO THAT WILL HAPPEN, THIS CURB RAMP WILL NEED TO BE REWORKED TO ACCEPT A, A CROSSWALK BOTH TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST.
UM, THE APPLICANT, AGAIN, COLLIERS IS WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CROSSWALK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN HERE THAT HAS TO BE PERMITTED WITH THE D O T, OR I'M SORRY, A, A, A CURB RAMP HERE AND A CROSSWALK HERE TO, TO LINE UP WITH THAT NEW SIDEWALK THAT COMES DOWN IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.
AND THEN ACCORDING TO OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH COLLIERS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE TOWN'S PLAN, THERE WAS A PLAN FOR A PEDESTRIAN, UM, SIDEWALK TO CONTINUE ACROSS OUR FRONTAGE.
SO THE PLANS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO SHOW THAT THIS, THIS SIDEWALK HAS BEEN ADDED BACK, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES NOT CONNECT, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK OR ANYTHING COMING FROM NORTH OF US.
THIS SIDEWALK, THIS SIDEWALK WAS ADDED BACK ONTO THE PLANS DUE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON COLLIER'S DISCUSSIONS WITH THE D O T, AGAIN, ALL PERMITTED WITH THE D O T.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE LOCATED INSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMITTED WITH THE D O T.
SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE POTENTIALLY AS PART OF ANY SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY THE TOWN BOARD, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONDITION SUBJECT TO D O T APPROVAL THAT THE SIDEWALK BE CARRIED OUT AND THE OTHER PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, JUST CLARIFICATION, UH, UH, THAT'S BEEN INDICATED THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE NUMBER OF TREES
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ON THAT PROPERTY.THE, WE THEN, UH, APPLY, IS THAT A COAT OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IN COOPERATION WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THOSE ADDITIONAL TREES PLANTED OFFSITE IN THE, AT A DESIGNATED AREA OKAY.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY A BIT, THE APPLICANT'S TREE REMOVAL REQUESTS CAN, IN CONNECTION WITH CHAPTER TWO 60, CAN BE COMPLIED WITH IN TERMS OF ONSITE REPLACEMENT.
SO THEY DO HAVE TREES WITHIN LANDSCAPE, THE ISLANDS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP WITH THE QUESTION WAS ALONG THAT NORTHERLY EDGE, UH, WHERE IT IS ROCKY AND THERE'S SEPARATION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, THERE ARE SOME INVASIVE AND STORM DAMAGED TREES, AND IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN THAT UP AND REPLANT THAT AREA? AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE WAS THAT IT'S, IT'S A ROCKY AREA.
A LOT OF THE TREES ARE JUST OVER THE PROPERTY LINE ON SPRING SITE, AND THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH TOWN STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, BUT THEY BELIEVE DUE TO THE ROCKINESS, EVEN IF THEY WERE TO CLEAR THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A REAL OR TRUE OPPORTUNITY TO REPLANT IT TO THAT AREA, MY THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, WE'LL, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK ON SITE, BUT, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE TREES DON'T MAKE SENSE BEING THERE DUE TO THEM BEING HEAVILY STORM DAMAGED AND INVASIVE, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOR, POTENTIALLY PUT UP A FENCE, SOMETHING TO DRESS UP THAT NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE TO A DEGREE OVER WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.
AND I CAN TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND GET THEM OUT TO THE BOARD AND, YOU KNOW, MEET WITH ZACH AND THE TEAM OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING TO BE IN INNOVATED.
SO WHEN YOU RENOVATE THE BURDEN, IT'LL MAKE THE STATE ENERGY CODE AND WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME SUSTAINABLE FEATURES LIKE, UH, SOLAR PANELS.
SO WE, WE DID, LOOK, IT'S, IT'S GONNA, I BELIEVE I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT, BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS TO BE STATE ENERGY CODE.
AND WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING SOLAR ON THE BUILDING DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE ROOF, WHICH IS ROUNDED.
IT'S KIND OF A, DO YOU KNOW, MOST OF THAT BUILDING IS A DOME.
IT'S NOT FEASIBLE ON THE ROOF.
BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE DID SET ASIDE AN AREA HERE IN THIS, UH, STORAGE AREA FOR, TO POTENTIALLY HAVE THIS BE A GROUND OF LOCATION FOR FUTURE GROUND MOUNTED SOLAR IN THIS LOCATION.
IT COULD BE COVERED PAR, IT COULD BE COVERED PARKING, WHICH PEOPLE DO DO IT A LOT OF THESE DAYS.
COULD BE, I, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO ANY OF THE CANOP SOLAR CANOPIES AT THIS TIME, JUST DUE TO, YOU KNOW, COSTS TO RENOVATE THE SITE.
BUT WE DID SET ASIDE AN AREA FOR GROUND MOUNT SOLAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? HOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ONE.
WE DO HAVE A QUESTION FROM, FROM, UH, LESLIE.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO LIKE THIS FROM NOW.
JUMP UP AND DOWN, WHATEVER WORKS, YOU KNOW, JUST ON, ON THE SAME VEIN AS SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, IF YOU CAN'T DO SOLAR, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU KNEW WHAT TYPE OF, UH, HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM THEY INTEND TO, UH, INSTALL.
BECAUSE I'M, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE WHAT'S STILL THERE.
I DON'T, THE ARCHITECT DON'T WORK INSIDE THE BUILDING.
I BRING IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO BE SUSTAINABLE, OR AT LEAST MORE ENERGY EFFICIENCY ON ENERGY EFFICIENT OUTSIDE OF SOLAR.
SO IF THE ROOF IS NOT FEASIBLE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AIR SOURCE HEAT PUMPS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M I'M SURE WHATEVER SYSTEM SPORT TIME HAVE THERE IS PRETTY OLD.
THE, THE, IN THE INTERNALS OF THE BUILDING, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED SLASH UPGRADED, YOU KNOW, BASED ON JUST THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO FOR, FOR HEATING AND COOLING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PROVIDED BY THE ARCHITECTS? UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD WAS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING YEAH.
WITHIN THE
WE CAN GET YOU GUYS AN ANSWER AS TO WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING INSIDE THE BUILDING RELATIVE.
AND THEN JUST TO ADD WITH RESPECT TO THE EXTERIOR, IF MR. DESAI OR OTHERS DIDN'T KNOW, BUT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING SIX EV CHARGING STATIONS ON THE SITE.
IS THAT ONE SHOT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT THIS ANYWAY, WHEN IT COMES BACK, BACK.
OH, THIS ONE? WE'RE NOT, THIS ONE.
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WE'RE NOT, YEAH, BECAUSE WE, WE FORWARD WITH THE VOLUNTEERING SPECIAL PERMIT, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT NOW.BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET IT BACK BEFORE AS, AS WE MAKE THE DECISION.
AND, AND YOU NEED BE EVEN BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD WITH THE TOWN BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE YEAH, WE COULD PUT, WE'LL PUT THAT INTO OUR, INTO OUR, OUR DECISION TO THE TOWN BOARD ANYWAY.
WELL, WE, WE DID, UH, PASS ALONG THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATION, BUT PUT IT BACK IN THE DECISIONS JUST TO REINFORCE THAT.
UH, ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD FIRST? NO, NOW MURRAY, GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS MURRAY BODEN AND I LIVE IN HARSDALE.
THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED ABOUT THIS, BUT I NEED TO PICK ONLY ONE.
AND THAT'S THE SIDEWALK ISSUE.
UP UNTIL NOW, WE HAVE USED SIDEWALKS AS SOMEPLACE WHERE PEOPLE WALK AND THERE'S A CURB ON THEM.
AND THE CONCEPT, I BELIEVE, NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE OF SO MANY DELIVERY VEHICLES ALL OVER THE PLACE, THAT INSTEAD OF A SIDEWALK, THERE'D BE A LEVEL TRAIL, LIKE ASPHALT AREA THAT CAN BE SHARED BY BICYCLISTS, DELIVERY VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS.
AND THE COST OF THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE MAYBE A QUARTER.
SO YOU COULD PUT IN FOUR TIMES THE LENGTH.
WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO USE, UH, BICYCLES, BUT THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT 'EM.
AND WHEN THERE'S A CURB, THE DELIVERY VEHICLE CAN'T GET OUT OF THE WAY AND YOU CAN'T SEE AROUND IT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE DELIVERY VEHICLE IS ONLY GOING TO BE THERE FOR THREE OR FOUR MINUTES, AND WE'RE WILLING TO SHARE THE SPACE THAT WE USE FOR WALKING, BICYCLING.
AND I NOW HAVE AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR BECAUSE I CAN'T WALK SO MUCH.
SO THIS IS THE START OF SUGGESTING AND LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT CONCRETE SIDEWALKS ARE NO LONGER USABLE IN THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE IN.
YOU'VE ASKED US TO USE BICYCLES AND STROLLERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A SHARED AREA.
IF THERE'S A UP, UH, U P S TRUCK ON OUR AREA, WE CAN WAIT THE THREE MINUTES WHILE HE MAKES HIS DELIVERY AND THEN GO AROUND HIM.
BUT THE PEOPLE DRIVING THEN CAN SEE AROUND THE TRUCK.
'CAUSE HE'S OFF THE MAIN ROAD RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN'T SEE AROUND HIM AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S COMING AT YOU.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN THE WAY THE WORLD VIEWS, ROADS AND THE WAY SIDEWALKS ARE USED.
IN A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREA, YOU MIGHT WANNA SIDEWALK, UH, WITH EVERY OTHER AREA WHERE YOU WANNA USE A BICYCLE AND HAVE A SHARED AREA.
IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE THE COUNTY TRAILWAY SHARED.
SO ALONG THE BRONX, BRONX RIVER PARKWAY, BICYCLES, STROLLERS, RUNNERS, ALL SHARE THE SAME WAY AND NOBODY GETS KILLED.
WE'VE LEARNED TO BE GRACIOUS WITH EACH OTHER.
AND THIS SHIFT OF THINKING OF A CONCRETE CURB WHERE THE DELIVERY VEHICLE CAN'T GET OUT THERE, EVERYBODY PIZZA AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS DELIVERING THESE DAYS.
I ASSUME THAT'S A D O T T ISSUE ANYWAY AT THIS POINT, BUT GETTING ON OUR, ON THE PUBLIC RECORD HERE IS FINE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY, THEY SHOULD CONSIDER.
CLEARLY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WE'RE DOING NOW IN TERMS OF THAT.
ANY ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK? SIR? STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
AND ACTUALLY, COULD YOU COME OVER HERE SO YOU CLOSE TO THE MIC.
UM, I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLANS AND I SAW LIKE THE, UH, TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA BE DELIVERING AND EXITING THAT AREA.
THEY'RE GONNA COME FROM THE NORTH AND THEN, UH, COME INTO THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WHEN THEY EXITING, UH, IT'S JUST LIKE THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A RIGHT TURN.
I WAS WONDERING, I'M NOT, UH, AN EXPERT IN TRAFFIC, BUT WHY THEY HAVE TO GO LEFT.
WAIT FOR THE OTHER TRAFFIC INSTEAD OF JUST TURNING RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING FROM THE SOUTH, THEY WILL BE COMING, MOST OF THEM WILL BE COMING FROM THE SOUTH BECAUSE THEY COME OFF OFF 2 87.
MOST OF THE TRUCKS ARE, THE TRUCKS ARE COMING FROM 2 87 FROM THE SOUTH.
SO THEY'RE GONNA ENTER THE SITE FROM THE SOUTH, SOUTH, TAKE A RIGHT, RIGHT IN.
IT'S A LEFT OUT EXIT FROM AND A LEFT OUT
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FROM THE RIGHT, FROM THE CENTRAL LEFT.OH, FROM THE CENTRAL? YEAH, FROM THE CENTRAL.
AND MAKE A, AT THE, AT THE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AT THE SIGNAL.
AND THEN WHEN THEY ENTER, THEY ENTER FROM THE SAME SECTION? NO, THEY ENTER FROM SOUTH, FROM THE SOUTHERLY SECTION.
SO THEY'LL COME IN, DO THEIR DELIVERY AND THEN GO OUT.
DO, DID YOU WANNA PUT UP THE, DO YOU HAVE THE YEAH, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN.
THE TURNING PLAN, THE TURNING, UM, INFORMATION HERE.
LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS THAT WAS RECENT UNDERNEATH IT, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN.
CAN YOU ZOOM THAT? YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED.
IS THAT, IS THAT BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS RIGHT THERE? THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
SO THE CAR, THE TRUCK, TRUCK AREA COME IN FROM THE SOUTH, THE ONE-WAY ENTRANCE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF MODIFYING THESE CURBS AND OPENING HERE TO MAKE SURE THIS MANEUVER WORKS.
WE'VE GOT AN UNLOADING LOADING AREA HERE, TRUCK.
AND THEN WOULD, WOULD MAKE THE EXIT AND GO BACK SOUTH ON 2 87.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC OVER THERE BECAUSE WE ARE TOO EVERY, LIKE, IT, IT'S BECOMING SINCE, UH, THE SUPERMARKET.
I'M TRYING TO AVOID THAT AREA NOW.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE ON CENTRAL AVENUE HAVE A VERY BAD HABIT OF DOING AND IT CAUSES A MESS AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY WORKED WITH MR. CANNING AND WE'VE MADE SURE THAT THIS WORKS.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY CAR DELIVERIES DO YOU GET A WEEK ROUGHLY? UH, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY HOW LONG IS THAT NUMBER? I THINK IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY, IT, IT'S ROUGHLY, UH, ABOUT 10 A WEEK.
BUT YOU COME, A BIG TRUCK COMES, TAKES A LOT OF, YEAH, BUT IT, THE BIG TRUCK TO GOOD TURNS RIGHT OFF OF THE ROAD.
IT REALLY IS A, A WAY TO DO IT.
AND FRANKLY, IF YOU PUT A WAREHOUSE THERE, YOU MAY HAVE MORE TRUCKS THAN THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY LESS DISRUPTIVE THAN WHAT OTHER USERS COULD BE FOR THE SAME PROPERTY OR RETAIL THEY GET DELIVERIES TO.
SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TODAY TOO.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING IF LIKE, NOW WE KNOW WHAT ONE, SO I, I I'M NOT JUST KIDDING.
WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHEN YOU COME UP, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC? NO, NO ONE HAD SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY.
ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES JUST TO SPEAK THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
I'M HEARING SOME, I THINK IT JUST
I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT FOR THE LAST 20 MINUTES.
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL WE'RE GONNA SUGGEST JUNE 15TH, WHICH WOULD BE ONE DAY AFTER THE TOWN BOARD MEETING.
THAT'S IN CASE ANYTHING COMES.
AND THEN WE DO THE WORK SESSION AFTER THE, UH, WE'RE DONE.
THIS BOARD WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON THE 20 MINUTES AFTER.
LESLIE JUMPING UP AND DOWN THERE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU EVERYONE.
EVERYBODY'S GONNA SCRATCHY THROAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
SECOND, UH, WALTER AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
UH, NEXT PROJECT IS CASE PB 2308.
IT'S, UH, ANIMAL DERMATOLOGY PRACTICE THAT IS GOING IN THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WINE WAREHOUSE IS AT THE END THERE BY THE BOWLING ALLEY.
UM, BEFORE WE START THOUGH, MONA, UH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU WANNA DISCLOSE SOMETHING, I BELIEVE? YES.
UM, MY DOG BRADLEY HAS BEEN VISITING THE
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ANIMAL DERMATOLOGIST FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.SO WITH THAT INFORMATION, IF ANYBODY WISHES FOR ME TO, UM, NOT SIT IN ON THIS, UM, PROCESS THIS EVENING, I WILL RECUSE MYSELF IF NECESSARY.
NOW I SEE NO REASON TO DO THAT, ALTHOUGH YOU PROBABLY DID VIOLATE YOUR DOG'S HIPAA RIGHTS.
JUST NOW I WANT YOU
OKAY, SO WHY DON'T, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, WITH US? YES.
UH, COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE PROJECT FOR US AND, AND DESCRIBE, THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL, IS WHAT IT IS.
THAT SAID, THIS IS NO NEW BUILDING.
IT'S TAKING AN EXISTING EMPTY SPACE IN THIS SMALL SHOPPING CENTER NEXT TO THE BOWLING ALLEY.
WE HAVE MR. MAHA ON ZOOM, MR. MAHE.
SO COULD YOU DESCRIBE, DESCRIBE IT, THE PRACTICE AND, AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE DOING WITH IT? THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MAXIMILIAN MAHALICK WITH THE LAW FIRM AND CUDI AND BADER ON THE BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WHITE PLAIN SHOPPING CENTER ASSOCIATES.
UH, IN REGARD TO THIS REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL, I AM JOINED THIS EVENING BY STEVEN MIHA.
HE IS C E O OF ANIMAL DERMATOLOGY GROUP, UH, HERE TO ANSWER ANY PERTINENT QUESTIONS TO THE PRACTICE.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO SHARE THE SCREEN.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH OUR SUBMISSION IN OUR LETTER OF APRIL 28TH.
UM, AND THEN JUST A BRIEF, UH, SUMMARY HERE.
SO THIS IS A ANIMAL DERMATOLOGY CLINIC.
UH, IT PROVIDES SPECIALTY KIN, KIN, EXCUSE ME, SKIN AND EAR CARE FOR COMPANION ANIMALS.
IT ALSO UNDERTAKES A NUMBER OF OTHER SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, ALLERGY TESTING AND TREATMENT, FLEA TREATMENT AND MORE.
UM, PURSUANT TO THE GROUP'S WEBSITE, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 40 LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY UTILIZING SPACE AT 1 93 TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, THE OPERATIONS TYPICALLY RUN FROM ABOUT 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM ALL APPOINT, ALL UH, CONSULTATIONS ARE BY APPOINTMENT.
THIS IS AN OUTPATIENT OPERATION.
THERE IS NO BOARDING OF ANIMALS ON THE PREMISES AND ANY MINOR MEDICAL WASTE.
UH, THOSE ARE REMOVED REGULARLY BY A SPECIALIZED HAULER THAT IS SCHEDULED AND CONTRACTED.
UM, WE EXPECT APPROXIMATELY NINE EMPLOYEES AT FULL OPERATION.
UH, IT WON'T START AT THAT, BUT IT'LL GET UP TO ABOUT THAT NUMBER.
UM, AND THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR CHANGES PROPOSED OTHER THAN WHAT WOULD BE ZONING COMPLIANT SIGNAGE.
AND THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS WOULD BE REQUESTED FOR, UH, THE SIGNAGE AT THAT TIME IF REQUIRED.
UM, THIS USE IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE DSS ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS TERRYTOWN ROAD NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO 2 87 JUST NORTH OF FULTON STREET, UH, NEAR THE BOWL ARROW BOWLING ALLEY.
UM, AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE WINE WAREHOUSE, UH, SO IN OUR LETTER OF APRIL 28TH, WE WENT THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN THE DSS DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE SPECIFIC SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA FOR SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITALS AND SHOWED COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THOSE CRITERIA.
UM, AS NOTED AGAIN, THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS OTHER THAN SIGNAGE.
THIS IS MERELY REPURPOSING TWO TENANTED SPACES THAT ARE BEING DEMISED INTO ONE.
UM, THIS WAS FORMALLY A FIT BOOT BODY CAMP AND A TAILOR.
AND, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE IN THE PARKING DEMAND BASED ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE SAW THE COMMENT MEMORANDUM THAT CAME IN FROM THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THE BOARD'S COUNCIL, AND AS WELL THE MEMORANDUM FOR THE TOWN'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE SAW NO SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AS TO THE PROPOSED USE.
UM, WE WILL REQUEST, AS NOTED IN OUR LETTER, A WAIVER OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL REQUIREMENT AS THERE IS NO PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE ITSELF.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE AND, UH, ALSO TO GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL CRITERIA IF DESIRED BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, BUT ONE BASICALLY PARKING LOT.
SO MY QUESTION ON THE PARTICULAR, UH, GROUP OF PROPERTIES, THE, WHERE YOU INDICATE THE WINE WAREHOUSE, WHERE, UH, THE FORMER, UH, CLEANS WERE JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE, UH, UH,
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RESERVED PARKING FOR THEIR BUSINESS.SO I WANT IT NOW IN THE SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PARKING, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT ENTIRE PARKING CENTER WITHIN A PARKING CENTER.
CAN YOU HAVE RESERVED PARKING? AND IF YOU DO, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE PARKING IN THE WHOLE PARKING LOT? OKAY, LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S TAKE THAT APART PIECE BY PIECE, OKAY? MM-HMM.
SO IS IT A SEPARATE PARKING LOT OR, OR, OR NOT? SO I AM GOING TO, UM, SWITCH OVER TO THE SHARE SCREEN OF THE G I S MAPS, UM, TO HELP GUIDE THE ANSWERS.
SO LET ME, UM, STOP SHARING NEW SHARE.
THIS IS THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY G I S MAP.
AND I AM PULLING UP THE, UH, WELL, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET THE TAX MAP DROP ONTO THE AERIAL IF MAYBE IF I DO THE ZONING MAP.
UH, UH, DOESN'T SEEM TO DO THAT, BUT WE'LL GO.
YOU, YOU CAN, WE CAN, YOU CAN EVEN POINT FROM WHAT YOU HAD YEAH.
IF YOU COULD DO IT WITH YOUR CURSOR, IT, BLOW IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HAMBURGER PLACE, RIGHT? YOU'RE TO THE RIGHT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT PART JUST SAID STRIPPER PARKING FROM WINE WAREHOUSE DOWN TO WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING A DEDICATED PARKING LOT JUST FOR THOSE STORES AND THE PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FOR THE BOWLING ALLEY, ET CETERA.
SO THERE IS AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT, UH, IT WAS RECORDED IN 1957 THAT ALLOWS FOR THESE DIFFERENT LOTS TO UTILIZE PARKING AMONGST EACH OTHER'S USES.
SO THIS STRIP ALONG WITH THE PARKING WITH NEXT TO, UH, THE BOLERO, THE SMASHBURGER FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE NEW YORK READER SITE.
UM, SO ALL OF THOSE SITES WORK TOGETHER, UM, UNDER THIS ONE DECLARATION OF EASEMENT.
SO BY EASEMENT AGREEMENT IS ONE PARKING LOT.
SO MY QUESTION REMAINS, IF IT'S ONE PARKING LOT AND YOU HAVE RESERVE PARKING, DOES THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE TOTAL LOTS IN CIRCULATION? DOES THAT IN EFFECT, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATES A A, UM, SHE PARKING WELL, LET'S STEP, STEP UP STEP BACK AGAIN FOR ONE SECOND.
DO WE KNOW IF THE, IF, IF THAT LOT IS O OVER PARKED OVER OR UNDER PARKED NOW THE TELLER LOT WE NOISES HAVE DONE THAT STUDY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT WHOLE LOT FULL.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL AND I SPOKE WITH GO AHEAD MS. DAVIS.
I WOULD SAY, I WOULD BET THAT ALL OF THOSE CARS WE SEE ON THE LEFT TOP OF THE MAP
UM, WHERE IT GETS REALLY STICKY, WHERE IT GETS REALLY STICKY OR, OR THE BOWLING ALLEY.
BUT WHERE IT GETS STICKY IS WHEN WE GET INTO HOLIDAY, HOLIDAY SEASONS OR ANY TYPE OF HOLIDAY.
UM, WHERE MOST OF THAT PARKING, 'CAUSE I'VE DONE IT MYSELF, YOU CAN'T GET TO INTO THE WINE WAREHOUSE.
SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, USE, UTILIZE OTHER PARKING SPACES.
IT'S AMAZING HOW THIS BOARD IS SO FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARKING, THE WINE WAREHOUSE,
CAN I SPEAK FOR A MOMENT? YES, MONA.
UM, SO WHEN YOU PUT UP THOSE SIGNS THAT SAY RESERVED FOR BLAH BLAH, I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH GARRETT AND HE SAYS TO ME, THOSE ARE UNENFORCEABLE SIGNS, SO TO SPEAK.
YOU CAN'T RE JUST THROW UP A SIGN AND SAY, RESERVED FOR, THOSE ARE NON ENFORCEABLE.
JUST 'CAUSE YOU SAY THEY'RE RESERVED FOR A SPECIFIC STORE.
YOU CAN'T ENFORCE SIGNS LIKE THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE FORCED SPECIFIC STORE, JUST YOU SAY THEY ARE.
I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT MR. SIMON BROUGHT HIS QUESTION TO MY ATTENTION EARLIER, UHHUH BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED AND THIS BOARDS BOARD, SOME OF ITS MEMBERS MAY RECALL THAT, UH, A FEW HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO, JERSEY MIKES WAS INTERESTED.
AND THERE WAS A SIMILAR DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME.
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THERE WAS A LOT MORE TALK ABOUT THE OFF STREET PARKING BECAUSE JERSEY MIKES WOULD GENERATED, WOULD'VE GENERATED MORE AND REQUIRED MORE PARKING.SO THERE WAS GONNA BE A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT.
UM, THEY SINCE RELOCATED TO ANOTHER SITE, UH, AND OPERATED AT ANOTHER SITE.
WHAT I CAN DO IS SPEAK TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION THAT CAME UP.
THE THE OTHER THING I CAN TELL YOU IS WHEN THE DRY CLEANER WAS THERE, THEY HAD DEDICATED SPACES.
I DO SEEM TO RECALL THIS CAME UP SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IF THEY WANNA PUT A SIGN UP THAT SAYS RESERVED WHO CARESS, WHETHER IT'S ENFORCEABLE OR NOT.
I DON'T POINT NUMBER ONE, POINT NUMBER TWO.
UM, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A WHOLE LOT SEPARATE LOTS.
WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE FILLED.
IT SEEMS THAT EXCEPT FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
AND WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T DETERMINE THE SIZE OF A LOT AS IF EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR IS A HOLIDAY DAY.
EXCEPT FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING EVEN IN THE HOLIDAYS.
IS IT JUST SLOPS OVER THAT'S OVER THEN IT JUST SLOPS OVER SO, RIGHT.
IS THE APPLICANT EVEN ASKING FOR RESERVE SPACES? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE APPLICATION.
THEY JUST SAID THEY HAVE 22 SPACES, WHICH IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.
COULD THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR US PLEASE? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS NO PROPOSAL TO RESERVE SPECIFIC SPACES.
THE REFERENCE, THE 22 SPACES WAS JUST EMBLEMATIC OF, UH, MATCHING THE OLDER, THE PRIOR USES, UH, SPACE DEMAND, THE ZONING CODE.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, NO.
CONSIDERING THAT THIS THING COMES UP, UH, OFF AND ON FOR LAST HOUR, AND THEN JUST SAY THAT, CAN WE HAVE SORT OF REQUESTS THAT, UH, THEY JUST DON'T DO THAT KIND OF STUFF? OR CAN WE
I WANNA FOCUS ONLY ON THIS PROJECT.
SO I DON'T WANNA GO INTO GENERAL POLICY THINGS TONIGHT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO THE PROJECT BEFORE US AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THIS USE IS GONNA RIGHT.
DO ANY RESERVE THEN THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT.
SO I THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT, THAT, THAT I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BESIDES THAT FROM THE BOARD? JUST TO COMPLETE THE LOOP, IS THERE ANY, ANY, ANY SIGN IN THIS PARKING LOT THAT SAYS RESERVED FOR? SEE THERE IS ONE SIGN IN FRONT OF W WINE WAREHOUSE.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE FOR 10 MINUTES OR SOMETHING.
THE, THE ONE RIGHT BY THE, THE, THE ENTRANCE THERE AND THERE'S A HANDICAP BESIDE THAT.
SO WHAT, NOTHING, I'M JUST OUTTA HERE.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT'S OKAY TO MOVE IT.
OKAY GUYS, I'D LIKE TO GET OUTTA HERE TONIGHT.
WE, WE STILL HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PORT AT THIS POINT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SINCE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO SEEMS TO BE USING THIS FACILITY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE USING MORE PARKING THAN YOU CURRENTLY USE? SO THE, WITH THE EXPANDED SPACE, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HAVE TWO DOCTORS ON THIS PREMISES AT EVENTUAL FULL EXPANSION.
UM, NOW CONSULTATIONS WILL STILL BE BY APPOINTMENT AT A RATE OF APPROXIMATELY ONE E EVERY HALF HOUR TO ONE AN HOUR, DEPENDING ON THE DAY AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CONSULTATION IS.
SO BY HAVING A SECOND DOCTOR COMING ON BOARD, THERE WOULD THEORETICALLY BE MORE APPOINTMENTS, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO, UH, MORE IN AND OUT ACTIVITY.
UH, BUT, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE PARKING DEMAND OF THE PAST USES, UM, AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AS THE PROPOSED USE.
SO IN THAT REGARD, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE PARKING DEMAND, THIS SPEC, WE, YOU HAVE A CAR AT THE TIME WHEN THE, THE PARENTS ARE PICKING THE KIDS UP FROM KARATE OR WHATEVER WAS THERE BEFORE, THAT'S WOULD BE MUCH MORE INTENSE THAN, THAN A FEW EXTRA PATIENTS AT ONE TIME TOO.
YOU, YOURS IS SEQUENCED A LITTLE AND THERE'S IS IS CONCENTRATED.
SO I DON'T, I REALLY, I'LL GO AHEAD.
I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THERE.
WELL, NO MATTER MATTER WHAT, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN I'VE BEEN THERE WITH ONE DOCTOR WHEN THERE'S BEEN AS MANY AS SIX TO EIGHT CARS THERE BECAUSE BETWEEN THE PATIENTS THAT ARE THERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WITH ONE DOCTOR WORKING.
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SO WITH TWO DOCTORS WORKING, I CAN SEE WHERE THERE WOULD BE MORE PART.BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO OVER, THERE'S SOME OVERFLOW SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE, THE, THE BOWLING ALLEY.
YOU HAVE THE WHOLE LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM AT ALL.
THEY HAVE SHARED, THEY HAVE SHARED, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO THE 22 CARS.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND THE 20.
UNLESS OUR DOG, UNLESS YOUR DOG INSISTS TO BE DRIVEN RIGHT UP TO THE DOOR, YOU KNOW.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE DOGS DRIVE THEMSELVES
THAT'S SO NOW ONLY, ONLY SUPERS TWO CARS PER ONLY SUPERS.
CAN WE MOVE ON? ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS RIGHT NOW? OKAY.
SO WE JUST, UH, NEED TO, UH, WRITE SOMETHING UP FOR THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING, NEXT MEETING.
SO WE'LL HAVE A MOVE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 21ST.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED FROM THEM, DR.
SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS PUT TOGETHER THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND THE SIGNAGE AND BE IN TOUCH TOMORROW WITH THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ASK, UM, I'M, AND JUST NEW ON THIS REQUEST IN PARTICULAR, UH, FOR THE SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED THIS EVENING OR AT A FUTURE MEETING? I UNDERSTAND THAT A PUBLIC HEARING'S REQUIRED FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM PROCESS ON THE SITE PLAN.
IS THIS AGAIN, IS THE SITE PLAN WAIVER? IS, IS THIS FIVE ACRES OVER SINCE IT'S THE START? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THAT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WITH RESPECT TO A SITE PLAN EXEMPTION, YOU WOULD SPEAK WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUE ABOUT THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MOVES THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD.
SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE TOWN ENGINEER.
PURSUANT TO THE CODE, YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH CERTAIN STANDARDS.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NOT THEY HAVE TO GO FOR SITE PLAN.
CORRECT? I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'D HAVE TO NO, THERE'S EXTERIOR CHANGES.
WHAT SITE PLAN EXEMPTION? I NEVER HEARD OF THAT.
IT'S A SECTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT ALLOWED, I IT ALLOWED, I GOT THAT
WHAT DOES IT MEAN? UH, A REQUEST TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER MODIFICATION TO A SITE PLAN GOING THROUGH A LAND USE BOARD PROCESS.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE SITE, I DON'T, THEN YOU COULD THEN YOU DON'T NEED A SITE PLAN.
SO YOU WOULD OBTAIN THE SITE PLAN EXEMPTION THAT YOU DON'T NEED IT.
IT'S JUST PURSUANT TO CODE THE WAY IT CODE.
THAT'S WHY YOU QUESTION NO MORE QUESTIONS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A REUSE, IT DOESN'T SUBSTANTIALLY INTENSIFY THE USER IMPACT THE SITE OR SURROUNDING AREA.
DETRIMENTALLY GENERALLY A A WAIVER WOULD BE GRANTED.
AND THERE HAS TO BE A WRITTEN FINDING MADE BY THOSE THREE THAT IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? THANK.
ALRIGHT, HAVE A GOOD EVENING THEN, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND STAFF.
ALRIGHT, LAST BUT NOT, OKAY, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
SOMETHING THAT I THINK SHOULD CONSIDER THAT AGENCY.
I'M, I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO, I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO MY ADVISORS ON THAT.
UM, UH, THI THIS IS A CASE TOWN BOARD 2305.
IT'S A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WHAT IT IS, IT'S A, UH, Z IT'S A, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING CLOSELY AT HOME IS, UH, THE TOWN BOARD REFERS THAT TO THE PLANNING BOARD WHO THEN REFERS A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, THE TOWN BOARD CAN ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OR, OR OVERRULE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SUPER MAJORITY.
FOUR OUT OF FIVE OF THEIR BOARD, OF THEIR BOARD MEMBERS TO OVERTURN TURN THEM.
THIS IS A, THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS A PRELUDE, UH, TO A PROJECT FOR A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE CAPTAIN LAWRENCE PRO PROPERTY.
SO THE FIRST PART OF IT IS WORKING ON THE ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR A FEW MOMENTS IF I COULD JUST TO EXPLAIN COUPLE OF, OR BROWNWELL
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FOR THE EVENING, IF POSSIBLE.COULD YOU PUT, UH, WHOEVER'S ON THE PUBLIC MEETING AND WAITING ROOM PLEASE? YES.
SO YOU WANT VOTE AND IDENTIFY FOR THE PURPOSE, CAN I HAVE A VOTE, UH, TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION JUST TO DISCUSS SOME LEGAL GUIDELINES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? MOVE SECOND.
THERE WILL BE NO VOTES TAKE TAKEN.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS I'LL OPPOSED OKAY.
WE'LL PUT UM, NON-BOARD MEMBERS INTO THE WAITING ROOM.
WHEN WE COME OUT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'LL EVENT YOU BACK INTO THE ROOM.
AND MATT, IF YOU CAN ASSIST ME ON THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
JUST DON'T TELL US DON'T LISTEN.
YOU CAN PICK THROUGH THE KEYHOLE, BUT JUST DON'T TELL US.
NO, YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA LEAVE.
COULD YOU CLOSE THE DOOR TOO FOR THIS, FOR THAT PART PLEASE.
I'LL GET, I'LL GET YOU AS SOON AS IT'S OVER CHAIR.
I WAS GONNA SAY JUST PUT IN CHAIR
LET'S GET CONFIRMATION THAT EVERYONE'S, ARE WE OKAY? ARE WE READY? WE'RE GOOD ON ZOOM.
UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, 'CAUSE THIS HAS A BACKGROUND AND A HISTORY TO IT.
WE FIRST ENCOUNTERED, UM, A BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT SIMILAR TO THIS, UH, CALLED AT KNOW WHAT COUNTRY CLUB A COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
UM, AND AT THE TIME, UM, WE CHALLENGED THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S DECISION OF USING CURRENT CODE TO DO IT.
YOU OKAY? WE'RE BACK IN SESSION.
WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING A LEGAL MATTER REGARDING THIS.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, JUST FIRST GIVE A PRESENT PRESENTATION.
I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, I THINK EVERYBODY, I HOPE HAS READ WHAT OKAY.
UM, HAS READ THROUGH, UH, WHAT WAS SENT, I HOPE, AND HAS A BASIC UNDERSTANDING.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO REHASH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING IT.
AND THEN I, I HAVE A, I'M, I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE DO.
I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS MYSELF AND I'M SURE OTHER MEMBERS HAVE AS WELL.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROBERT GOSO, PARTNER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF SNYDER AND SNYDER, 94 TERRYTOWN ROAD, UH, I'M SORRY, 94 WHITE PLAINS ROAD, TERRYTOWN, NEW YORK, UH, REPRESENTING NINE.ENERGY.
I'M JOINED THIS EVENING, UM, BY MR. NICK LOMBARDI, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF PROJECT DEVELOPMENT FOR NINE DOT, UH, MR. ANTHONY SANTA MARIA, WHO'S THE SENIOR TECHNICAL MANAGER.
AND MR. SAM MCGARVEY, WHO'S THE SENIOR PROJECT DEVELOPER FOR THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.
UM, IN A MOMENT I'LL HAVE, UH, NICK EXPLAIN TO YOU WHO NINE.ENERGY IS AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE IMPORTANCE OF BATTERY STORAGE, WHICH I BELIEVE MAY ALREADY HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING BASED ON WHAT, UH, THE TOWN HAS ALREADY DONE REGARDING THE EXISTING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM ORDINANCE.
UM, NEXT THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, THE MINOR PROPOSALS, UH, THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TO PROPOSED CHANGES.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE SITE THAT HAS REALLY DICTATED, UH, OUR REQUEST TO PETITION THE TOWN BOARD, UH, FOR THOSE MINOR AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. LOMBARDI, WHO WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NINE.ENERGY AND BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.
NICK, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ON MUTE.
UH, AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
I'M THE VP OF PROJECT DEVELOPMENT FOR NINE ENERGY.
UM, NINE ENERGY IS A COMPANY BASED OUTTA NEW YORK CITY.
UM, WE WERE, WE WERE FOUNDED THERE AND WE'VE GROWN THERE.
UM, AND WE ARE FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING ASSETS FOR THE ENERGY TRANSITION.
UH, OUR PARTICULAR MARKET OF FOCUS IS DOWNSTATE NEW YORK.
UM, IT WAS STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO BY A FEW PARTNERS IN THE CITY WHO WERE DEVELOPING PROJECTS THAT ARE FUEL CELL PROJECTS.
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OF, OF GAS RESOURCES, THEY PIVOTED TO BAT BATTERY STORAGE.BATTERY STORAGE IS, UH, IS A KEY PIECE OF THE ENERGY TRANSITION FOR, NOT JUST FOR NEW YORK, BUT FOR FOR THE COUNTRY AND FOR THE GLOBE.
UM, THE ASSETS THAT WE DEVELOP ARE REALLY FLEXIBILITY RESOURCES FOR THE GRID.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS GENERALLY THAT THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE UTILITY.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE TO CONED, UM, TO THE, THE NYS O THE IS THE, UM, UH, THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR THAT, THAT, UM, CONTROLS THE GRID AND BALANCES THE GRID AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STABLE AND, AND OPTIMIZED FOR, FOR ALL CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY FOR RATE PAYERS TOO.
SO OUR ASSETS ARE IN, UH, IN OFTEN, UH, THEY'RE OFTEN USED TO DEFER LARGER UTILITY INVESTMENTS IN THINGS LIKE SUBSTATION UPGRADES OR TRANSFER STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH CARRY A LOT HIGHER CAPITAL COST.
AND ALSO THAT COST IS THEN RATE BASED AND PASSED ON TO THE, TO THE CUSTOMERS.
WHEREAS WE RAISE CAPITAL IN THE PRIVATE MARKET.
WE INVEST IN THESE PROJECTS AND, UH, AND WE TAKE THE RISK ON THE PROJECTS AND KEEP THAT, UH, THAT COST, THAT BURDEN OFF THE RATE PAYERS.
SO AS YOU KNOW FROM, UH, WHAT YOU, UH, WERE, WERE JUST REFERENCING THE WORK TO DEVELOP THE ORIGINAL CODE AND, AND TALKING WITH NYSERDA, TALKING WITH CON CONED, YOU KNOW, BATTERIES ARE A, A KEY PART OF, OF, UH, OF WHAT THE STATE NEEDS IN ORDER TO TRANSITION FROM A FOSSIL BASED GRID TO A RENEWABLE BASE GRID.
UM, IN THE PRESENT MOMENT, THAT MEANS MORE FLEXIBILITY SERVICES PREPARING FOR THAT FUTURE STATE OF MORE RENEWABLES.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, IT'LL LOOK SOMETHING MORE LIKE CALIFORNIA, WHERE YOU'VE GOT REALLY CRAZY, UH, ENERGY PROFILE BASED ON WHEN RENEWABLES, RENEWABLES ARE, ARE, UM, GENERATING AND WHEN LOAD IS, YOU KNOW, IS IS LOOKING FOR, FOR POWER.
THOSE THINGS ARE OFTEN MISMATCHED BATTERIES BECOME THE KEY TO SMOOTHING THAT OUT.
AND SO THEY, UH, THEY CAN BE, THEY CAN BE DONE LOCALLY, THEY CAN BE DONE, UH, ON A SYSTEM LEVEL, BUT THEY PERFORM DIFFERENT SERVICES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE HAS REALLY, UH, LOFTY GOALS AROUND BATTERY STORAGE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY COMMITTED TO THE ENERGY TRANSITION.
SO THE STATE IS LOOKING TO, UH, GET SIX GIGAWATTS OF, OF ENERGY STORAGE BY 2030, WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY.
UM, OUR MISSION IS TO, IS TO HELP THE STATE MEET THAT GOAL.
WE'RE BASED IN NEW YORK CITY, BUT WE DO WORK ON LONG ISLAND AND IN WESTCHESTER AS WELL.
UM, UH, AND OUR PROJECTS ARE REALLY PREDICATED AROUND SERVING SORT OF AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL.
SO IF YOU STRATIFY THE BATTERY INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW, UM, AMONG THE DEVELOPERS, THERE'S REALLY SORT OF THREE CATEGORIES.
THERE'S THE UTILITY SCALE, WHICH IS THE REALLY BIG STUFF, WHICH IS MUCH BIGGER, LOTS THAN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, IN, IN, IN YOUR TOWN.
THEY TAKE A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP, UM, AND THEY PERFORM, PERFORM A CERTAIN KIND OF SERVICE.
UH, THEN ON THE SMALLER SIDE, THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL STUFF, WHICH IS MOSTLY USED IN HOUSES FOR OR MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITIES FOR BACKUP POWER FOR, YOU KNOW, SMOOTHING OUT, UH, UH, RENEWABLES OFF YOUR ROOF, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE SIT IN THE MIDDLE ON A COMMUNITY SCALE, WHICH IS REALLY AROUND A FIVE MEGAWATT PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET HAS SORT OF SETTLED OUT IN.
UH, FIVE MEGAWATTS FOR US IS USUALLY AROUND, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE USED TO WORKING IN URBAN SPACES LIKE NEW YORK CITY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, STRONG TECH TECHNICAL CAPABILITY CAPABILITIES FOR DESIGN AND LAYOUTS TO MAKE THAT WORK.
UM, BUT BREATHING ROOM AND THE SIZE OF THESE ASSETS IS SORT OF DICTATING WHAT, UM, WHAT KIND OF LOT SIZE WE NEED IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO, UM, ROB, I THINK I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU AT THIS POINT.
UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER.
WE'LL, WE'LL HOLD THAT IN ADVANCE FOR THE MOMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN TO, UH, BE ABLE TO RUN THROUGH, UH, THE PROPOSED RED LINE OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT? SURE.
SO I HOPE EVERYONE CAN SEE MY, MY SCREEN.
WE, UM, WE AMENDED THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO BACK IN MARCH WE FILED A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE COMMISSIONER.
UH, WE'VE HAD A SITE VISIT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE CHIEF, AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UH, AND WE'VE MADE A, A NUMBER OF REVISIONS BASED ON, UH, FEEDBACK, UH, FROM THOSE VARIOUS PARTIES ORIGINALLY.
UM, AND THIS IS THE SPECIAL PERMIT STANDARDS, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TIER TWO BATTERY, UH, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE THAT NICK REFERRED TO.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO TIER ONE OR TIER THREE.
UM, THIS IS STRICTLY TIER TWO.
AND ORIGINALLY WE HAD PROPOSED, UM, MINIMIZING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA HERE.
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TIME, WE'VE, WE'VE BACKED OFF THAT.COULD YOU JUST BLOW, EXCUSE ME, SIR, COULD YOU JUST BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PAGE DOWN? 'CAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T SEE THE DOORS.
CAN EVERYBODY ELSE SEE IT? DOING OKAY? THANK YOU.
I'M JUST GONNA NOW YOU A LITTLE BIT.
SO IN THIS SECTION HERE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE, UM, UH, THE SYSTEMS SIZE LIMITATIONS, WE ARE PROPOSING IN THESE PARTICULAR ZONES HERE TO GO FROM 6,000 KILOWATT HOURS TO 8,000 KILOWATT HOURS AS BEING ALLOWABLE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR US, AND WE ARE IN THE PD DISTRICT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT, BUT HOPEFULLY WILL BE IN THE OB DISTRICT WITH OTHER PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, WE PROPOSE TO MOVE THE OB DISTRICT TO THE MORE LIBERAL, UM, SIZE LIMITATIONS DOWN HERE IN THIS CODE PROVISION.
AND WE'VE PROPOSED TO GO FROM 12,000 KILOWATT HOURS TO 50,000 KILOWATT HOURS OR NOT TO EXCEED, UH, WILL BE BELOW THAT UP TO 40,000.
AND WE'VE PROPOSED GOING FROM A FOOTPRINT OF 3,500 SQUARE FEET TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET IN ALL THESE DISTRICTS, INCLUDING NOW THE OB DISTRICT.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE REASON FOR THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE MAIN CHANGES.
WE ALSO, I SEE TWO, I I SEE TWO MORE THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HIT ALL OF THEM.
SO IN THIS, IN THIS SECTION IS ESSENTIALLY MOVING THE OB INTO THE MORE LIBERAL AREA AND INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE FENCED AREA, NOT NECESSARILY THE EQUIPMENT, UH, AND THE KILOWATT HOURS.
AND IT'LL MAKE SENSE WHEN I SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN IN A, IN A MOMENT.
WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED IN THE NEXT SECTION REGARDING THE SETBACKS.
WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, UM, REALLY MINIMIZING THE SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
AND, AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT REQUEST.
WE'RE DOWN TO NOW THAT IF IN THESE PARTICULAR ZONES HERE, THAT IF THE PROJECT EXCEEDS 40,000 KILOWATT HOURS, THAT THE SETBACK FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE RATHER THAN BEING 300 FEET WOULD BE 200 FEET.
AND AGAIN, FOR OUR PROJECT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT IT WHATSOEVER.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A, A GOOD PLANNING.
UH, BUT THE CURRENT CEILING IS SIX THOU, 6,000 KILOWATTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE NEXT CHANGE IS THE HEIGHT.
SO THE HEIGHT OF THE CURRENT CODE IS 10 FEET, AND WE'VE PROPOSED 12 FEET, AND I'LL SPEAK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
THAT'S A MINOR CHANGE, BUT I, I'LL SHOW YOU THE REASON WHY.
AND THEN FINALLY, AT, AT THE REQUEST OF THE TOWN, WE'VE ADDED A WHOLE PROVISION REGARDING, UM, REPLACEMENT OF TREES THAT MAY NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR ANY FACILITY.
SO THERE'S ALREADY TREE REMOVAL PROVISIONS, BUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE, UH, A REPLACEMENT VALUE OF 120%, UM, FOR TREE REMOVAL.
SO I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU TWO OTHER TWO OTHER DOCUMENTS VERY BRIEFLY, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR PERSON, GO.
AND SINCE, UM, SINCE COVID HASS BEEN OVER, I'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT RUSTY AT MY SCREEN SHARING SKILLS.
SO THIS IS BY SWITCHING BETWEEN GOOGLE AND THE OTHER ONES, IT'S REALLY HARD.
THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THE ART BATTERY STORAGE UNITS, AND IT'S THE TESLA MEGA PACK.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE, THE HEIGHT IS 110 INCHES, WHICH MEETS THE 10 FOOT REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT BETWEEN, UH, FIRE SUPPRESSION AND, AND PUTTING IN A, A, A FOOTING AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
AND ALSO FOR FUTURE MODIFICATIONS OF TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE REQUESTING THE 10 FOOT BE INCREASED TO 12 FOOT, UH, BECAUSE WE THINK IT, WE THINK IT WORKS PROPERLY.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE OTHER ONE I, I UNDERSTAND RIGHT AWAY IS THE IDEA OF OUR SIX.
THE FIRST ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THE 6,000 KILOWATTS WAS BASED ON WHAT TESLA WAS CALLING THE PACK, AN INDIVIDUAL PACK.
BUT THEY'RE NOW SAYING IT'S THREE, IT'S, UH, 3.9 KILO, UH, MEGAWATTS RATHER THAN THREE KILOWATTS, WHICH IS HOW YOU GOT TO THE EIGHT, I ASSUME.
SO THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
WE'LL, AND WE'LL LET ANTHONY AND, AND NICK TALK ABOUT THAT OR THOSE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS, BUT ESSENTIALLY, YES, WE'RE GETTING MORE OUT OF LESS.
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I SHOW YOU THE, THE FINAL, THE FINAL SCREEN THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, I THINK IT'LL START TO MAKE SOME SENSE.SO, YOU KNOW, BACK, BACK, EVEN A YEAR OR TWO AGO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN OF THESE, THESE SYSTEMS WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE IS, IS 4 4 4, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, ROUTE NINE A, UM, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE IS BACK HERE, ROUTE NINE A IS IN THIS DIRECTION HERE.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BLUE LINE, AND YOU HAVE THE PIZZA PARLOR HERE.
UM, THE RED IS, IS THE 3,500 SQUARE FEET, AND THE YELLOW WOULD BE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE OUTLINED WHERE THE EQUIPMENT WOULD ACTUALLY GO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EQUIPMENT IS WELL WITHIN THAT 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP THE FENCE AND HAVING ACCESS AND, AND, AND ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, ACCESSORY, UM, EQUIPMENT TO LIMIT IT TO 3,500 SQUARE FEET IS JUST EXCESSIVELY TIGHT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS VERY WELL, UM, IN PLACE FOR A FACILITY OF UP TO 40,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT, IT'S, IT'S IN PROXIMITY TO TWO SEPARATE 13 KV UH, FEEDER LINES.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO PUT IN A FACILITY THAT MAKES SENSE FROM AN OPERATIONAL AND A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SCREEN HERE, WE'VE SHOWN SOME SETBACKS.
SO WE HAVE 155 FEET FROM ROUTE NINE A.
WE HAVE, UH, 70 FEET FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
WE HAVE, UH, 60 FEET TO THE CLOSEST BUILDING, ALL WITHIN THE WAIVER PROVISIONS FOR THE SETBACK WITHIN THE CODE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL SETBACK PROBLEMS. UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE CODE SECTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, UH, THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE MORE LIBERAL BUILD OUT REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ONLY ABOUT 79 PARCELS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
IT'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE PARCELS THAT ARE FULLY DEVELOPED OR WETLANDS OR ANY OTHER ENCUMBRANCES.
THIS PARCEL HERE HAS AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY SUITED FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
UH, IT'S ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL USES.
IT'S OFF A MAJOR ROAD, IT'S WELL SET BACK.
IT'LL GIVE US OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESS AND SCREENING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SO I SHOWED YOU THIS, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION.
IF, IF, IF THE CODE IS AMENDED AND WE'RE ABLE TO FILE THIS APPLICATION, IT WOULD BE RELEVANT.
BUT JUST TO PUT THINGS INTO, UH, CONTEXT FOR YOU ABOUT THE CHANGES, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND HOW THEY WOULD PRACTICALLY BE IMPLEMENTED, UH, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND OBVIOUSLY I WOULD RELY ON, UH, NICK, SAM AND ANTHONY, UH, TO ANSWER ANY OF THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE PERSONALLY.
I, I'VE BROKEN, I'VE TRIED TO BREAK THE THING DOWN MYSELF.
AND, UM, I THINK THE SIX TO EIGHT MEGAWATT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S A CAPACITY, A CHANGE IN CAPACITY.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THE SPEC SAID.
THE SPEC YOU HAD UP THERE IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT IT, BUT THE HEIGHT THING MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S A HIGH, IT'S NINE FEET SOMETHING AND THEN YOU GOT A FOOTING UNDERNEATH IT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THOSE TWO.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON IS REALLY A RATIONALE FOR A FOURFOLD INCREASE IN, UH, THE, AND TWO OF THEM, A SEVEN, ALMOST A SEVENFOLD INCREASE IS IN ANOTHER ONE AND A 30% REDUCTION IN THAT.
WHAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA? DID SOMETHING CHANGE IN THE FIRE CODE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS? BECAUSE LET ME JUST EXPLAIN FOR YOU, SIR.
THE NUMBERS IN THERE DIDN'T COME OUT OF, OUT OF THIN AIR.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A BATTERY STORAGE COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, INTERVIEWED ER, SERNER, CONED TWO AND TWO CONSULTANTS AND THE FIRE COMMISSIONERS IN THE, IN THE AREA BEFORE WE WROTE THE LAW.
SO THAT LAW WAS WRITTEN WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF EXPERTISE.
SO I'M NOT SAYING WE COULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE.
WE KNOW LAWS CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD RATIONALE WHY WE WOULD WANNA MAKE THOSE KIND OF DRASTIC CHANGES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS.
SO I WOULD START, LET'S SAY WITH THE INCREASE SELECTIVE FROM 1212 MEGAWATTS TO 50 KILOWATT KILOWATT KILOWATTS, UM, MEGAWATTS TO 50 M MEGAWATT.
NICK, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THE FIRST CRACK AT THAT ONE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A, A REQUEST TO INCREASE FROM 12 MEGAWATT HOURS TO, TO 50 MEGAWATT HOURS.
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UM, SO, SO NUMBER ONE, THE SYSTEMS HAVE CHANGED.THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED, RIGHT? THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEMS HAVE GOTTEN MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, ENERGY DENSE.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE SYSTEMS NOW PACKS MORE ENERGY THAN THEY USED TO, RIGHT? THEY HAVE A HIGHER INVERTER RATING PER UNIT, AND THEN THE ACTUAL ENERGY CONTAINED IN ONE OF THOSE UNITS IS, IS HIGHER.
SO YOU CAN FIT MORE IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT BECAUSE OF IT.
UM, BUT SORT OF THE, THE, THE MAIN REASON IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO THAT, WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE DIFFERENT STRATA OF THE BATTERY INDUSTRY, RIGHT? THERE'S LIKE THE BIG UTILITY SCALE STUFF.
THEN THERE'S THE SMALL RESIDENTIAL STUFF, AND THEN THERE'S THIS MIDDLE COMMUNITY SCALE STUFF THAT WE DO.
AND THE MARKET IN NEW YORK IS DESIGNED AND HAS FORMED AROUND ROUGHLY THREE TO FIVE MEGAWATTS OF SYSTEM, WHICH IN A FOUR HOUR MARKET.
SO, SO ENERGY, KEEP IN MIND THAT ENERGY AND, AND LIKE, AND AND INVERTER RATING ARE DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE, IT'S A FIVE MEGAWATTS SYSTEM, BUT IT'S A FOUR HOUR SYSTEM, THAT MEANS IT CAN OUTPUT FIVE MEGAWATTS OVER FOUR HOURS.
THAT'S 20 MEGAWATT HOURS, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MARKET, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEGAWATTS, THAT'S WHAT'S AT THE INVERTER, BUT THE ENERGY IS ALWAYS FOUR TIMES THAT NUMBER.
RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL.
I ANSWER JUST TO PULL OFF ONE SECOND.
WHAT DOES K W H MEAN? KILOWATTS, KILOWATTS, KILOWATT HOURS.
WE'RE TALKING MEGAWATTS, KILOWATT HOURS DIVIDED BY, DIVIDED BY A THOUSAND.
KILOWATT MEGA IT'S THE SAME THING.
12,000 WOULD BE 12, 12,000 KILOWATTS, 12 MONTH KILOWATTS.
AND ONE, ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KILOWATTS AND KILOWATT HOURS IS, UH, KILOWATTS ARE LIKE YOUR SPEEDOMETER, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WHEREAS KILOWATT HOURS IS LIKE YOUR ODOMETER, IT'S HOW MUCH ENERGY YOU'VE PUT OUT OVER TIME.
RIGHT? BUT, BUT LET, LET HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SAME, UH, YEAH.
YEAH, I, I HELP ME UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST A, THE WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, IT'S ALMOST REVERSE OF WHAT I'M HEARING.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A A TWO PACK SYSTEM THAT IS EIGHT EIGHT, UH, MEGAWATTS CAPACITY, RIGHT? SO IT'D BE BE TWO, TWO PACK, TWO PACKS TOGETHER, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT'S IT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT TESLA RATES IT AT ROUGHLY.
BECAUSE I MULTIPLY THAT BY FOUR.
I CAN RECHARGE IT FOUR TIMES A DAY, FOUR TIMES A DAY AND DISCHARGE IT FOUR TIMES A DAY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME SO THAT IT'S THE OTHER WAY, I WOULD THINK IT'S YOUR OUTPUT IS 32, YOUR CAPACITY IS EIGHT, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT'S THE SOMETHING IT IS, IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
SO IT'S LIKE THE ONLY AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN PUT, THINK OF IT, THERE'S A PIPE AT THE END, RIGHT? AND THE ONLY AMOUNT YOU CAN PUT OUT IS WHAT FITS IN THE PIPE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT FOUR HOURS WORTH OF ENERGY TO PUT THROUGH THAT PIPE AT EIGHT MEGAWATTS.
SO THAT'S FOUR TIMES EIGHT, RIGHT? SO IT'S REALLY JUST THE, THE ENERGY IN THE SYSTEM IS WHAT DEFINES THE SIZE OF THE SYSTEM.
AND THE PIPE IS WHAT DESI DECIDES HOW MUCH WE CAN PUT INTO THE GRID AT 1.5.
RIGHT? BUT IF YOU'RE PUTTING OUT 40, UH, 50 MIL MILLIWATTS THAT, THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT FOUR TIMES A DAY, THAT'S A 200 MILLIWATT SYSTEM BY YOUR DEFINITION.
SO FIRST OF ALL, 50 IS THE RESULT.
ONE QUICK STEP, STEP BACK, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE THIS ONE TIME A DAY.
WE'LL CHARGE IT AT NIGHT OVER FOUR HOURS.
OKAY? EVERY HOUR WE CAN CHARGE FIVE MEGAWATTS.
SO OVER FOUR HOURS, THAT GETS US UP TO 20 MEGAWATT HOURS IN THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCHARGE AT FIVE MEGAWATTS FOR FOUR HOURS PER HOUR FOR FOUR HOURS, WHICH IS 20 OFF, OFF OF ESSENTIAL, A LITTLE OFF, LESS THAN TWO PACK, TWO PACKS.
I, I JUST, I JUST GET A FEELING, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I WANNA UNDERSTAND IT THAT WE'RE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT AT APPLES AND ORANGES HERE, AND I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERY, THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE ALL ON THE SAME, SAME.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY THE CAPA, ARE ALL THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PROPOSED, THE CAPACITY NUMBERS THAT AREN'T MULTIPLIED BY FOUR? THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S, THAT IS CORRECT.
BUT LET ME, LET ME ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
SO LOOK, YOU, YOU WANNA INCREASE THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE FROM SIX MEGAWATTS TO EIGHT MEGAWATTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S ONE FAMILY CA, C B D S I B L O B.
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ONE AND U R.AND WHEN YOU SAY EIGHT MEGAWATTS, THAT MEANS OVER FOUR HOURS, THAT UNIT CAN PRODUCE 32 MEGAWATTS OF ELECTRICITY? NO, SIR.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING 8,000 KILOWATT HOURS OVER FOUR HOURS, THAT UNIT WILL PRODUCE 32,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
NO, YOU WANNA, IF IT, IF IT HAS 8,000 KILOWATT HOURS IN IT, THEN HOW MUCH IT PUTS OUT AND FOR HOW LONG? DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE INVERTER.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
IT'S A, IT'S A FOUR HOUR SYSTEM.
THAT MEANS IT CAN PUT OUT TWO MEGAWATTS EVERY HOUR FOR FOUR HOURS.
I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT WE'RE MIXING UNITS THAT'S RIGHT.
IN EVALUATING THIS PROPOSAL, WE HAVE TO GET A STANDARD THAT WE USE THROUGHOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE GONNA USE THE CAPACITY OF THE UNIT BEING BUILT.
THEN WE SPEAK IN TERMS OF CAPACITY OF THE UNIT BEING BUILT, OR WE COULD TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE DELIVERABLES OF THE FLOW PER HOUR.
SO FOR NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MIXING TERMS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING EVERYONE.
I PERSONALLY WOULD SUGGEST WE LOOK AT THE, UH, THE POWER OF THE BATTERY.
SHE'S HAD HER HAND UP BEFORE YOU ANSWER LESLIE, GO AHEAD.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOUR HAND'S BEEN UP FOR A WHILE.
I THINK I WANTED TO KNOW THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HERE, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, HOW MUCH THESE BATTERIES CAN, CAN PUT OUT OR IF WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING THE FOOTPRINTS, THE SETBACKS.
I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
CAN I JUST ADDRESS THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN? I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE CODE.
WE WERE WORKING WITH THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT CODE.
SO THE CURRENT CODE USES KILOWATT HOURS AS THE STANDARD.
SO WE CAPACITY, RIGHT? SO WE, WE JUST CORRECT.
SO WE JUST WENT WITH KILOWATT HOURS AND WE TRANSLATED BASED ON THE CURRENT CODE.
BUT I THINK NO, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT.
BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT KILOWATT HOURS IN THE CODE IS, I UNDERSTAND OUR CODE IS CAPACITY, NOT A, SO THAT IF IT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT HA LESLIE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH FOOTPRINT TWO, TWO OF THESE BOXES HAVE THE CAPACITY OF PUTTING OUT OVER, OVER FOUR HOURS.
EIGHT, UH, EIGHT MEGAWATTS, TWO MEGAWATTS AN HOUR.
TWO OF THOSE HAVE A FOOTPRINT OF X.
THAT'S THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT, I THINK, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WESLEY'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN FIRES AND THINGS WITH THIS, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT SETBACKS AND SIZE FOR THAT, THOSE REASONS.
THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO, TO KNOW THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME DEFINITION IN EACH ONE OF THESE.
AND MAYBE A, A LAW IS FLAWED THAT WAY.
A LAW WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE SERTA WHAT S SORT WROTE, UH, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
RIGHT? AND, AND AND TO, TO THE UM, GENTLEMAN'S POINT, IF TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES, WHO KNOWS WITHIN A A ONE SQUARE FOOT, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A MEGAWATT 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
WHO KNOWS? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESTRICTING SIZE, THAT WE'RE TALKING STRICTLY FOOTPRINT AND NOT CAPACITY OR OUTPUT.
THAT'S, WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF THE LAW SHOULD BE RETURNED RATHER.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT, LESLIE.
IT MAKES IT A LOT SIMPLER BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE WORRY ABOUT IS SETBACKS CLOSE TO THINGS THAT ARE FLAMMABLE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND OUR ABILITY TO, FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO PROTECT PROPERTIES.
SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE DID HERE, WE, WE, WE, THE SECOND PART OF THE CODE TALKS ABOUT FOOTPRINT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT IS, THAT'S A PLANNING FUNCTION, RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY ALL THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 3,500 SQUARE FEET, IT'S, IT'S JUST A TIGHT BOX AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND WITH THE NEW EQUIPMENT, IF YOU SPACE OUT THE EQUIPMENT PROPERLY, YOU HAVE MUCH MORE FREE SPACE AROUND THE EQUIPMENT FOR ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU TALK ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO GOOD PLANNING, FIRE PROTECTION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT DOESN'T ESSENTIALLY CHANGE THE SETBACKS.
I MEAN, THE SETBACK IS SLIGHTLY LESS TO THE CLOSEST
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BUILDING, BUT NOT MUCH MORE.IT'S STILL, WELL, WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CODE, IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH.
IT'S EVEN MORE, SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S THAN THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE, IT DOESN'T ESSENTIALLY CHANGE THE LAYOUT OF THE FACILITY, BUT IT GIVES MORE SPACE FOR THE FACILITY TO BE LAID OUT WITHIN THAT BOX WITHOUT DRASTICALLY CHANGING.
WHAT, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THAT, THAT ARGUMENT FOR ME IS WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE SITE OUT OF 79 AND EVERY, AND WE'VE ALREADY RUN INTO THIS BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED TWO OF THE, THESE TIER TWOS SO FAR, WHICH BELIEVE ME, WASN'T EASY OKAY.
TO DO WITH THE FIRE DI NEGOTIATING WITH OUR FIRE DISTRICTS TO DO IT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET IT THROUGH.
IS EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT AND WHERE IT MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ON THAT OTHER SIDE, ON ONE OF THOSE PRO OR THE CONFIGURATION IS SQUARE ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND SOME CASES THAT MAY MAKE SENSE.
IN OTHER CASES IT DOESN'T BECAUSE YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY FIT IN 15,000 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT COMING TOO CLOSE TO A PROPERTY LINE OR, OR BLOCKING A A, UH, DELIVERY.
WHAT WE DID ON THE TWO THAT WE DID SO FAR, AND I, ONE OF THE THINGS I I DO SUGGEST YOU DO IS GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE VIDEOS OF THE HEARING ON, ON THOSE TWO, JUST TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WITH THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP YOU.
UM, WE LITERALLY PUT THESE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF PARKING LOTS, SPECIFICALLY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY BURN.
NOW THE THING WE DID, I THOUGHT, WHICH WAS GOOD IN THE TIER TWO BECAUSE WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE, AND THIS IS TO YOUR POINT, THIS ACTUALLY SUPPORTS YOUR POINT.
IN TIER TWO, WE ALLOWED FOR ADJUSTMENT OF THE SETBACK BASED ON THE CONDITION.
'CAUSE WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW CLOSE IT COULD BE.
BE ON A, ON A TOWN WIDE BASIS.
BECAUSE BASIS, EVERY PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT.
WE HAVE PROPERTIES IN THOSE ZONES THAT ARE BUT RESIDENTIAL AREA, IF THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR US THAN IF IT'S A WAREHOUSE NEXT TO IT.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, TO YOUR POINT, THE CODE, THE PROPERTY LINE SETBACK, AGAIN, TIER TWO, IT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, IN THESE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS IS 100 FEET, WHICH WE HAVE 155 FEET FROM THE FRONT.
AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO WAVE IT FROM A HUNDRED DOWN TO 50.
AND WE'RE, AND EVEN WITH THE, WITH THE LARGER FOOTPRINT, WE'RE RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
DAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE PROPERTY.
WE'RE TALKING, THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAW THAT AFFECTS 79 PROPERTIES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CAPTAIN LAWRENCE TONIGHT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING A LAW ACROSS 79.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK THERE.
79 PART THAT WE KNOW NOW, THAT'S BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE GETS TEARED DOWN OR, OR, OR RECONFIGURED.
SO WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH AN ANALYSIS OF, OF ALL THOSE PROPERTIES, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER YOU'RE RIGHT OR WRONG.
THIS PRO PROPERTY MAY WORK FINE.
FRANKLY, WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, I WAS SHOCKED THAT YOU PUT, YOU PUT THE THING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH NO ACCESS TO THE ROAD FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT AND NEXT TO SOME TREES.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS CORRECTED ON SITE VISIT.
BUT I, I WAS SURPRISED THAT WAS EVEN PRESENTED THAT WAY.
BUT EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT FOR THAT REASON.
AND WHEN YOU'RE, DO WE, WE CAN'T DECIDE A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT BASED ON ONE PROPERTY.
SO, SO WITH WITH RESPECT TO THAT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THOSE SETBACKS.
THOSE SETBACKS WILL STILL DICTATE BA AND, AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY STILL HAS TO BE 40,000 OR 80,000 SQUARE FEET DEPENDING ON THE ZONE.
SO IT STILL HAS TO BE A LARGE PROPERTY.
IT STILL HAS TO MEET THESE SETBACKS WITH THE, WITH THE LIMITATION OF THE WAIVER.
BUT ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THAT BEFORE HAVING TO GO FOR A VARIANCE FOR A PROJECT THAT'S SLIGHTLY BIGGER IN FOOTPRINT TO MAKE IT, TO MAKE IT A FEASIBLE PROJECT, THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THE FOOTPRINT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE, BUT THEN IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S DISCRETION UNDER THE SPECIAL PERMIT WITH THE SETBACKS WITH THE PROPERTY SIZE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FOOTPRINT, THAT THAT BOX IS IN A SAFE LOCATION ON THE
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PROPERTY FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE LOT SIZE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THOSE SETBACKS.
THE PLANNING BOARD STILL HAS FULL CONTROL OVER ALL OF THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR A BIGGER BOX.
BUT YOU'RE, BUT YOU'RE, BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING A FOUR A FOURFOLD INCREASE IN THE FOOTPRINT.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING UP TO THAT.
SO THE, THE PROBLEM WITH SPECIAL PERMIT, AS YOU WELL KNOW, UM, IF YOU MEET THE CRITERIA, IT, THERE IS A VERY LITTLE DISCRETION OF THIS BOARD IF WE JUST WROTE IT, THAT YOU COULD BE UP TO THAT AMOUNT, UH, UP TO 15,000.
UM, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE, LITTLE DISCRETION ON A SPECIAL PERMIT TO CHANGE THAT.
BECAUSE IF THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA AND YOU'VE MET IT.
SO THE POINT IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE IT, YOU NEED TO WRITE IT WITH SOME KIND OF RANGE.
YOU GIVE THE BOARD DISCRETION DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY THAT MAY WORK.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, LOOK, WE'RE WE'RE TELLING YOU WE NEED 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND THE CODE CHANGE THAT'S PROPOSED AS 15, WOULD, WOULD THE BOARD MAYBE BE MORE AMENABLE WITH THE DISCRETION TO BE ABLE TO SAY 10,000 BUT UP TO 15,000 IN THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD AS A WAIVER? IS THAT THAT, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DID WITH THE SETBACKS? IS THAT WHAT I'M, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK TO OUR CONSULTANTS ABOUT BEFORE I DO THAT.
I WANNA GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TONIGHT.
BUT, BUT I THINK DIRECTIONALLY, IF, AS I SAID, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH SPECIAL PERMITS, OKAY, YOU MEET THE CRITERIA.
GENERALLY YOU GET THE SPECIAL PERMIT SO THAT IN THIS CASE WE'VE GOT, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SHOW US IN 79 PROPERTIES HOW THIS WORKS, I, THERE HAS TO BE A, A DIFFERENT METHOD TO DO THIS.
AND AGAIN, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE FOOTPRINT OF, OF, UH, EACH PACK IS BY ANY CHANCE? UNFORTUNATELY WE DO.
I JUST TOOK DOWN, I JUST TOOK DOWN THAT EXHIBIT.
I COULD FIND IT AGAIN, BUT I DID TAKE IT DOWN.
BECAUSE THAT DOES HAVE THE FOOTPRINT OF EACH PACK, I THINK ON IT.
THAT'S WHERE 110 INCHES CAME FROM.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, AND WE COULD SEND YOU THIS, WE JUST SHOWED YOU THIS TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE A LOT OF SPACE FOR MANEUVERABILITY CONSTRUCTION, FOR OPERATION, FOR MAINTENANCE.
THE PACKS THEMSELVES AND THE ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT IS A SMALL PART OF THAT 10,000, WHICH IS BELOW THE, WELL BELOW THE 15,000.
IT, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE PRO.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT.
I HAVE DO HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK, BUT I WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO HAVE A CHANCE IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY, AND I'M GONNA ECHO YOU A LITTLE BIT HERE, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
WE KNOW THINGS CHANGE, ESPECIALLY THE TECHNOLOGY.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THAT A LOT.
WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THAT ULTIMATELY THIS DRAFT WOULD ALLOW BIGGER SYSTEMS IN MORE PARTS OF THE TOWN AND IN SOME CASES CLOSER TO RESIDENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT VERY CAREFULLY AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POSSIBLE IMPACT MIGHT BE AND ALLOWING FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW YOUR ARGUMENTS.
YES, WE WANT TO KEEP UP WITH TECHNOLOGY, WE WANT TO HELP MEET THE NEW YORK, NEW YORK STATE GOALS, ALLOW FOR FUTURE NEEDS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT DON'T MISS OUT.
AND WHEN I HEAR THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE GUY WHO RINGS MY DOORBELL AND SAYS, HEY, I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'LL DO THIS WORK.
OR, YOU KNOW, SO I, THAT DOESN'T CARRY AS MUCH WORK WITH ME.
UM, SO YOU'D SAID A COUPLE TIMES THAT YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE SETBACKS, BUT TO ME, IN ARTICLES OR C SECTION C, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IN GI, L I O B P D AND P E D, YOU WANT INCREASE THE, UM, KILOWATT HOURS TO 40,000 FROM SIX, BUT REDUCE THE SETBACK FROM 300 TO 200.
SO BIGGER AND CLOSER, RIGHT? SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT, POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THAT.
THAT'S SO OVERALL, RIGHT? RESPECT.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT LAST COMMENT, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT RESIDENTIAL SETBACK, AS I SAID IN IN THESE, IN THESE ZONES, THAT TENDS NOT TO BE A PROBLEM.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS NOT TO, IF YOU READ IT CAREFULLY, IT'S NOT TO INCREASE IT, IT'S TO REQUIRE THE SETBACK FOR A MUCH LARGER FACILITY.
SO THE, THOSE THAT 40,000 AND THAT 300 TO 200 ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE JOINED.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THEY, THEY REALLY AREN'T THOUGH, BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT OF OF THE, THE, THE, THE PACKAGE ITSELF CHANGES
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AS YOU ADD MODULES TO IT.SO THERE IS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP.
I I DON'T CARE WHERE THE FENCE IS.
I MEAN BIG DEAL WHERE THE FENCE IS, RIGHT? I DO CARE WHERE THE BAT, BECAUSE THE FENCE ISN'T WHAT'S GONNA BURN IF ANYTHING BURNS, IT'S GOTTA BE THE BATTERY PACKS THAT BURN.
SO AS YOU'RE INCREASING THE FOOTPRINT OF, OF THE BATTERIES TO GET THE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY YOU'RE GETTING CLO COULD BE YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE LINE.
THAT'S, IT'S THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, BEFORE I WAS, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE
WE DIDN'T FORM THE COMMITTEES THAT WE FORMED IN THIS TOWN.
BUT, BUT WE ALSO ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.
NOT ONLY OF OUR RESIDENTS, BUT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND THEIR REACTION TO THESE THINGS HAS BEEN LESS THAN EXCITED.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT GIVEN SOME OF THE, AND AND I KNOW IT'S BETTER.
IT'S GETTING BETTER ALL THE TIME.
BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, DOT OUR I'S AND CROSS OUR T'S.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WALTER, YOU PRETTY MUCH RE TO RE UH, RE REITERATE WHAT YOU AND TOM SAID? WELL, ON THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT VERY CLOSELY AND WE RECOGNIZED, UH, AND THE BATTERY COMMITTEE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO INCREASE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT IN A GIVEN PACK WITH TECHNOLOGY, UH, IN, UH, INCREASES, YOU WILL GET MORE POWER IN THAT SAME BATTERY PACK.
THAT HAD BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO THE KEY THING WE FOCUSED ON WAS THE SETBACKS AND THE SAFETY AND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD ACCESS THAT PACK AND, AND, AND CONTROL, UH, UH, DEFERRING AND HOW CLOSE THAT WAS TO OTHER STRUCTURES.
SO WHEREAS YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE POWER, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM CREASING THE POWER AND REDUCING THE SETBACKS.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU ARE FOCUSED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED, WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING THE LAW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EFFECT ON ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN AND BY YOUR OWN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THIS 79 OTHER PROPERTIES.
SO WE CAN'T LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY AND SAY IT MIGHT WORK AT THIS LOCATION AND TOTALLY IGNORE THE IMPACT ON THE OTHER 78 LOCATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE, UH, SOME DIFFICULTY WITH THIS APPLICATION AS IS THAT THE CONCEPT I TOTALLY SUPPORT, BUT THE APPLICATION AS IS AND CHANGING THE LAW WITHOUT SPECIFIC DATA, UH, TO GIVE ME A OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR CHANGING IT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU NEED MORE SPACE TO DO IT.
I THINK I KIND OF ECHO THE SAME THING THAT TOM SAID AND WALTER, THAT IT'S NOT, UH, JUST, UH, SIMPLE SETBACKS FOR, UH, REQUIRING THE, UH, THE THE CAPACITY OF IT.
UH, BUT MY, MY MAIN CONCERN AND THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH TWO PROJECTS THAT WE APPROVED IS A CONCERN BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OF UNKNOWNS.
AND WHAT WE ARE REALLY, UH, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS INCREASING THAT UNKNOWN OF THE FIRE WITH THE LARGER CAPACITY AND FORGET ABOUT THE SETBACKS AND OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT WE VISUALLY LOOK AND WE KIND OF, UH, QUANTIFY INTO THE OR PROPOSED CODE.
SO WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO CONVINCE THE FIRE CHIPS AND FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT THIS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THE SMALL FOOTPRINT IS AS GOOD AS, UH, TO MITIGATE THE FIRE AND TO THE SPREAD OF THE SMOKE, UH, IS, IS NOT DANGEROUS TO WHAT BEEN APPROVED BEFORE.
AND JUST TODAY'S EXAMPLE, THE THE SMOKE WE
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GETTING IN HERE IS COMING FROM THE FIRE, WHICH IS ABOUT 400 MILES AWAY.SO WE WANTED TO BE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS THING DOESN'T CREATE A DESERT FOR ONLY THE PROPERTY NEARBY.
IT MAY BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT COULD BE A MILE AWAY OR TWO MILES AWAY WHERE I LIVE AT THE TOP.
MONA, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? UH, YOU COULD SAY IT ON WITH MUTE OFF THOUGH, PLEASE.
I'LL TAP ON A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT KIRI WAS SAYING.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE INCREASED THE TECHNOLOGY BUT HAVE THEY ALSO INCREASED THE ABILITY TO UM, UH, GET BETTER RETIRE THE RETIRE RETARDER YEAH.
DEAL WITH AN EMERGENCY, DEAL WITH THE EMERGENCY EFFECTS OR TO RETARD THE, UM, FIRE.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE SOME, UH, SOME DOCUMENTATION TO THE BOARD ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT ACTUALLY THIS DESIGN, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THAT CONCERN IS ACTUALLY A BETTER DESIGN AND WHY IT'S, UH, CERTAINLY NO WORSE AND IN MANY CASES BETTER THAN WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT TWO TO THREE YEARS AGO, UM, WHEN YOU ADOPTED THE CODE, UM, OVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT AND THEN FINALLY ADOPTED THE CODE.
YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT TIME, NOT ONLY HAS THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGED, NEW YORK STATE HAS CHANGED, THE CODES HAVE CHANGED, THE NEED FOR BATTERY STORAGE HAS DOUBLED IN THE STATE'S MIND.
SO A LOT HAS CHANGED AND I THINK WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES AND, AND, AND INCORPORATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS TONIGHT.
I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION ON YOUR EXACT QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING, UH, THAT THIS IS NO LESS OF A CONCERN AND ACTUALLY IS, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE NEWER TECHNOLOGY WITH THE TECHNOLOGY, THE NEWER TESLA MEGA PACKS.
AND, AND ANTHONY WILL, WILL BE THE LEAD ON IT ON THAT FOR US.
'CAUSE HE HAS GREAT EXPERIENCE IN NEW YORK CITY WHERE THEY'RE DOING THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY INSTALLED TWO YEARS AGO IS, IS, IS A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT THEY'RE INSTALLING TODAY.
AND, AND IN NEW YORK CITY, AND I KNOW GREENBERG'S NOT NEW YORK CITY, BUT IN NEW YORK CITY, THEY'RE ALLOWING IT WITHIN 10 FEET OF BUILDINGS.
AND WE GET IT THAT THAT GREENBERG IS NOT NEW YORK CITY.
UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THINGS HAVE CHANGED, UH, AND WHY, UH, SOME OF THESE CHANGES, UH, ARE NO LESS PROTECTIVE OF SITES.
THE, THE, THE, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE NEARBY THE EMERGENCY SERVICES.
WE, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND I THINK WE COULD, WE CAN CERTAINLY SUPPLEMENT AND GET YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT.
FIRST OF WANNA CORRECT YOU, IT'S NEW YORK.
THAT'S NOT GREENBERG, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO HEAR BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT, WELL, GEE, WE LOOKED AT THE FIRE CODE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS LAW.
WHAT, WHAT HAS CHANGED IN IT? HAVE THEY LOOSENED UP A LITTLE BIT? ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO SHOW THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, HELPFUL IN US FORMULATING OUR OPINION ON THIS.
I I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE WANNA BE.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS EQUATION, AND I DON'T WANNA GO INTO TONIGHT 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE LAW.
UH, WE'RE ALSO VERY SENSITIVE TO WHO IS INSTALLING THESE THINGS AND WHO IS SERVICING THESE.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THERE IS ONGOING SUPPORT FOR THESE, OKAY? AND THAT WE DON'T LEAVE OUR FIRE DISTRICTS IN THE LURCH.
NOW WE ALL, WE DO REQUIRE THEM TO BE TRAINED AS PART PART OF IT.
WE DO REQUIRE IF THEY NEED P P E, IF THEY NEED IT, UM, THAT THEY GET IT FROM, FROM THE DEVELOPER OF THESE PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE LAW.
THESE PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING THE, THESE, OUR FIRE DISTRICTS DON'T SEE THESE EVERY DAY, RIGHT? A FIRE, GOD FORBID THEY DO SEE A FIRE EVERY DAY.
THEY NEED THE TECHNICAL SUPPORT ONGOING, UH, WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY AND NEED TO KNOW THAT COMPANY'S GONNA BE THERE.
AND FINALLY, THE COMMENT ABOUT TECHNOLOGY CHANGING LITHIUM ION BATTERIES MAY NOT BE BATTERY STORAGE IN TWO YEARS EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
RIGHT NOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS HEAVIER THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA REPLACE IT IN THE, IN THE CARS YET, BUT IT SURE AS HECK COULD BE USED AS PART OF BATTERY STORAGE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS THEN? SO RIGHT NOW THOUGH, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WHOEVER'S GONNA BE DOING THIS PROJECT GOING FORWARD, IF,
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IF IT DOES OR ANY OF YOUR CLIENTS THAT MAY BE DOING A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE NEED TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE COMPANY TOO AND THE, AND THE STRENGTH OF THE COMPANY, THE EXPERIENCE OF THE COMPANY.JUST JUST AS A, UM, FOR THE FUTURE FUTURE.
THINK ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW THOUGH, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD FOCUS ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WHAT HAS CHANGED, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT GIVE US, REVISE THE LAW TO HELP US HAVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY IN THE LAW AND NOT BE RIGID LIKE A LOT OF, UH, MOST SPECIAL PERMITS ARE.
THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL.
AND THEN MAYBE IF WE GET THIS ONE APPROVED, FOR EXAMPLE, AND ANOTHER ONE NOT, OKAY, BUT THAT HAS TO BE WRITTEN INTO THE LAW.
THIRD THING I WANTED TO JUST SAY IS THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE SET UP RIGHT NOW, UH, IT WAS VERY NICE PRESENTATION, UH, THAT WAS GIVEN.
BUT WHAT IT IS NOW IS YOU'RE PULLING, PULLING ENERGY OFF THE GRID WHEN THERE'S NO DE WHEN DEMAND IS LOW AND THE PRICE IS LOW, PUTTING IT BACK ON THE GRID AT P PEAK.
AND, AND I BACK IN ISO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE BY THE WAY, OF HAVING BATTERY, BATTERY STORAGE.
I THINK WE NEED IT FOR THE SAFETY OF THIS COUNTRY.
I ABSOLUTELY DO, UH, TO DECENTRALIZE THE GRID.
I AGREE WITH THAT TOO, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A PROFIT MAKING SITUATION OF, OF BUYING, BUYING LOW SELLING HIGH.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE ON SOME OF THOSE 79 SITES, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING OR EVEN ON SAY ON, ON THE, ON THE, UH, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE ONE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVE ENERGY IS PART OF THIS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BOUNCED OFF AARON THIS AFTERNOON AND THE, AND THE PLAN COMMISSIONER IS MAYBE WE GIVE AN INCENTIVE FOR A LITTLE EXPANDED FOOTPRINT IF AT THE SAME TIME THEY WERE ADDING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY AS A, AS A SUGGESTION POSSIBLY, BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THEY ALREADY, I THINK THE ROOFTOP IS ALREADY SATURATED WITH SOLAR PANELS, BUT HALF OF IT, AT LEAST FROM LOOKING AT IT, YEAH, WE LOOKED WHERE WHEN I LOOKED AT GOOGLE, GOOGLE EARTH, IT WAS THE FRONT HALF, ONE HALF OF IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER HALF COULD BE, BUT I'M JUST, AGAIN, YOU'RE FOCUSING JUST ON THIS PROJECT.
I'M FOCUSING ON A FORWARD THINKING LAW BECAUSE THIS BATTERY THINGS ARE GONNA BE NO GOOD UNLESS WE HAVE ENOUGH ALTERNATE ENERGY TO FILL UP THOSE BATTERIES AS WELL.
SO I, WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE AND MORE, AND THAT'S WHAT LESLIE'S, UH, COMMITTEE LESLIE AND TOM'S COMMITTEE IS FOCUSING ON IS, IS TRYING TO CREATE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY IN OUR TOWN AT THE SAME TIME.
'CAUSE THE OTHER POSS PROBLEM IS WE FILL UP ALL THE LAND WITH BATTERY STORAGE, WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR SOLAR CELLS.
RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT TOO, AS PART OF THIS LAW.
AND I THINK YOU'D BE MOVING THE LAW AHEAD IF WE DID THAT.
I HAVE ONE MORE SUGGESTION THAT, UH, UH, IS IT, UH, IS IT A POSSIBLE TO USE SOME OF THESE STORAGE CAPACITY TO, IN CASE OF EMERGENCY AND, UH, WHEN KONA IS DOWN TO HOOK UP WITH THE LOCAL GRID AND PROVIDE A POWER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, IS NO.
UM, ONE BATTERY CONNECTED TO THE GRID IS NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE GRID NEEDS OF AN ENTIRE, ENTIRE TOWN, UM, OR NETWORK FOR CONED.
BUT THE POINT OF HAVING BATTERIES IN THE SYSTEM IS THAT THEY PREVENT THE SITUATION THAT LEADS TO BLACKOUTS IN THE FIRST PLACE LOAD.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN, IN BLACKOUTS, YOU BASICALLY, YOU, YOU, YOU USE TOO MUCH POWER.
BASICALLY THE GRID CAN'T SUPPORT THE DEMAND BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, 95 AND HUMID FOR FOUR DAYS STRAIGHT AND EVERYBODY'S RUNNING THEIR ACS AND IT, IT DROPS OUT THE GRID BECAUSE IT CAN'T SUP SUPPORT, RIGHT? BATTERIES ARE THERE TO STEP INTO THAT GAP AND CLIP OFF THE TOP OF THAT PEAK AND SMOOTH IT OUT SO YOU DON'T RUN INTO THAT SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO IN A, IN A WAY, THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT THE DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO.
IT'S NOT CAPABLE OF PROVIDING A BACKUP POWER TO YOUR GRID.
IT'S DESIGNED TO PREVENT, UH, THAT FROM HAPPENING THROUGH OFFERING FLEXIBILITY SERVICES TO THE GRID IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO YOUR ANSWER THAT IT IS, IT IS CONNECTED.
THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY PRECISE AND GOOD ANSWER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS PLEASE GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE REALLY WANNA WORK WITH YOU AND, AND TRY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A LAW THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THAT WE THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE HOMEWORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE
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RIGHT NOW, UH, TO DO THAT.WE'RE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS POINT.
SO CAN WE PUT IT BACK ON FOR, UH, THE 21ST IF THEY WANT? NO.
WELL, MY, MY QUESTION BACK TO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE HOW MUCH I WANT KINDA ON THE SPOT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT, UM, WHEN YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH A RESUBMISSION, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GONNA TARGET THE 21ST, YOU KNOW, WE'D NEED SOMETHING, UH, EARLY NEXT, YOU KNOW, EARLY TO MID NEXT WEEK, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO YOU MAY NEED A, A WEEK OR TWO TO DELVE INTO SOME OF THESE THINGS AND GET A COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE.
WE PROBABLY WANT THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, UH, BEFORE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO TARGET THE FIFTH.
I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF LAYING OUT THE OPTIONS SO YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT.
BY NO MEANS DO WE HAVE TO SET THE DATE TONIGHT.
IT TURNS OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, WE GET BACK TOGETHER AND WE THINK IT'S RIGHT TO GET BACK ON FOR THE 21ST.
WHY, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT, MR. CHAIRPERSON? BECAUSE WE, WE WORKED VERY WELL WITH, WITH YOUR STAFF AS FAR AS COORDINATING EFFORTS.
I KNOW THAT WE WANNA, WE WANNA GIVE YOU A GOOD PRODUCT BACK.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA RUSH IT.
THANK SHOW WE ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND DO IT COMPREHENSIVELY.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ANSWERS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
ONE OTHER THING FOR THE HOUSEKEEPING THING, UM, THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY ON THIS.
I DON'T, IT'S, IT'S A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
THEY SHOULD BE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS.
WE SHOULD BE LEAD AGENCY ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE SPECIAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD LOOK AT IT IF IT GETS UP.
ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT? DO WE NEED TO VOTE? DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT? WE DO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO, UH, SOMEONE? UM, I THINK LESLIE SECONDARY.
THANK VERY MUCH AND PLEASE BE SAFE WITH THE WEATHER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.