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IT'S JUNE, UH, 13TH, 5:23 PM AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF LATE, UH, TAX LATE FINE EXCEPTIONS.UM, I'M SUGGESTING THAT, UM, WE, UM, UM, SEE THE TAXES COME UP.
PASS LOCAL LAW, UH, THAT WOULD ENABLE, UM, THE TOWN TO, UM, WAIVE, UH, THE PENALTIES IF THERE WOULD BE, UM, UNPLANNED, YOU KNOW, HOSPITALIZATION, UH, OR, UH, OR A, UH, DEATH OF A SPOUSE.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, I GET, UM, A BUNCH OF, UM, EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE, UM, WHO GOT LIKE THIS 10% TAX ON, YOU KNOW, A PENALTY ON FEBRUARY 1ST OR FEBRUARY 2ND, UM, UH, BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO PAY THEIR TAXES AND THE SPOUSE MIGHT HAVE DIED, OR, UM, A FAMILY MEMBER WAS TERMINALLY ILL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I HAD SPOKEN TO, UM, THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE AND THEY SAID THE TOWN, IF IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY, HAS THE POWER TO WAIVE IT.
SO I, I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE MADE THAT EXCEPTION, IT'S NOT GONNA, UM, YOU KNOW, BE A MAJOR FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE TOWN, BUT IT'S JUST, I THINK, THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
HOW FAIR WOULD IT BE? HOW FAIR WOULD IT BE TO THE TAXPAYERS THAT PAY THEIR TAXES ON TIME WHEN THE TAXES, THE SCHOOL TAXES REALLY ARE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION IF THERE'S JUST A MAJOR, UM, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HUSBAND OR WIFE OR A FAMILY MEMBER HAD A, A DEATH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A, A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SAY THE WEEK BEF, YOU KNOW, THE WEEK BEFORE, UM, A WEEK BEFORE WHAT THE SCHOOL TAX BILL IS TECHNICALLY DUE SEPTEMBER.
NO, BUT THE SCHOOL TAX BILL IS DUE SEPTEMBER.
REMEMBER THEY HAVE THE GRACE PERIOD.
THEY HAVE UP UNTIL JANUARY 31ST TO PAY THE SECOND HALF.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T WAIT TILL JANUARY 31ST.
AND, AND THE, THE STANDARD IS NOT THE COMMUNITY, THE STANDARD IS THE TAXING ENTITY OR THE TAXING AUTHORITY, OR THE TAXPAYERS, BASICALLY.
WELL, THE, THE STANDARD IS WHATEVER.
AND YOU, YOU WERE ON THE CONTROLLER'S CALL AS WELL AS THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND MYSELF, AND YOU ASKED THIS VERY OPINION, AND THEY DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY ELSE DOING WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO DO.
AND AT THIS POINT, WASN'T THERE, UH, JOE, ONE OTHER COMMUNITY THAT HAS DONE THIS, I THINK ONE HAS DONE IT INFORMALLY, BUT HAS NOT PASSED AN ACTUAL RESOLUTION THAT SHOWS WHAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN.
I THINK THEY KIND OF DO IT OFF THE BOOKS.
I DON'T THINK EMAIL THE TOWN BOARD.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S, AND OUT OF HOW, OUT OF HOW MANY OF THE, HOW MANY MUNICIPALITIES? NO, IT'S ONE.
SO OUT OF HOW MANY, YOU SAID ONE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WESTCHESTER MUNICIPALITIES.
SO ONE OUTTA ALL OF WESTCHESTER MUNICIPALITIES, 45, EXCUSE ME.
SO OUT OF ONE OUTTA 45 IS THE ONE THAT DID IT UNOFFICIALLY.
IS THAT, DID I, I BELIEVE UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, CORRECT.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA FOUR OR FIVE TIMES NOW, AGAIN, TODAY.
UM, AND NO ONE IS ACTUALLY DOING THIS LEGALLY.
UH, THE TOWN, THE CONTROLLER ON THE PHONE CALL THAT WE WERE ON DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THIS.
MATTER OF FACT, UM, I THINK IS TIRED OF HEARING YOU ASK FOR THIS.
UH, IT'S, IT'S HOW DO YOU REGULATE IT? MY CONCERN IS IT'S GONNA BE WHO DO YOU KNOW? AND IF SOMEBODY, I THINK ONE OF YOUR PROPOSALS IS IF ANYBODY IN A HOUSEHOLD IS IN THE HOSPITAL, THEN, UH, YOU SHOULD GET THE PENALTIES WAIVED, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO SEPTEMBER.
AND THAT'S AN ISSUE, RIGHT? IS IT, IS IT THE, IS THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER? IS IT, IT SOUNDS GREAT.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SITUATION WE GET REPEATEDLY PUT ON, MEANING THE BOARD IS THAT IT SOUNDS TERRIFIC, BUT IS IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TAXPAYERS, UH, WHO GO TO GREAT PAINS TO PAY THEIR TAXES ON TIME TO DO, SOMEBODY EMAILS YOU AND YOU SAY, OH, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIVE THE PENALTIES, AND SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO.
WHAT IS THE STANDARD? IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITALIZATION? UH, YOU HAD A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS, NONE OF WHICH I BELIEVE THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY
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IS DOING.SO, UM, AT SOME POINT WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE GONNA BE USING THE WORK SESSION TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UH, THAT THE STATE CONTROLLER HAS, HAS ADVISED US WE SHOULDN'T DO, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE STATE CONTROLLER NEVER ADVISED US WE SHOULDN'T DO WHAT THEY SAID, BECAUSE I SPOKE TO THEM.
THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT IF IT'S, IF WE FEEL IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TAXPAYERS, AND THEY DID NOT, UM, HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TAXPAYERS IS, IT'S BASICALLY TOTALLY DISCRETIONARY.
UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE TOWN, IF WE FEEL IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY OF WAIVING, UM, WHO ARE REDUCING, UH, THE LATE FINES.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE, UH, WHO HAVE HAD $2,000 PENALTIES OR $1,000 PENALTIES ONE DAY AFTER FEBRUARY, YOU KNOW, ON FEBRUARY 1ST.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT PENALTIES, AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANGRY.
NOW, I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE CAME UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, CRITERIA, AND I'M ASKING YOU, I'M SAYING VERY LIMITED CRITERIA, IF SOMEBODY'S HUSBAND OR WIFE PASSED AWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M, MY THOUGHT IS SOMEBODY'S HUSBAND OR WIFE PASSED AWAY, UH, WITHIN A WEEK BEFORE THE JANUARY TAXES.
UM, AND THEY PAY IT, SAY BY, UM, FEBRUARY 30TH.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST FEBRUARY 28TH, I'M SORRY, UH, THERE'S NO 30 FE FEBRUARY 28TH.
THEN WE COULD SAY, WE WILL WAIVE THE PENALTIES.
OR IF THE BOARD WANTED, WE WOULD REDUCE IT.
WE COULD HAVE VERY, WE COULD HAVE A VERY LIMITED, UH, CRITERIA.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WA YOU KNOW, LONG TERM WAIVING OF PENALTIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF SOMEBODY JUST FORGOT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, UH, IN THEIR FAMILY, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IS LIKE A REAL HARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, A TERMINALLY ILL, UH, SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS A STROKE, SOMEBODY, UM, I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, A CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER DIED.
AND AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, DID IT, BECAUSE I WROTE TO ALL THE SUPERVISORS, AND THERE WAS ONE THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT.
UM, SO, AND THE OTHERS WROTE, THAT WAS THE CITY OF, BUT OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, TOWNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T RATED BY MONEY MAGAZINE AS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY.
OH, NO, I'M SAYING THEY WERE, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY, PAUL, IT'S NOT FUNNY, BUT I'M SAYING, PAUL, COME, WE GOTTA BE REALISTIC.
I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF NEW YORK STATE, WHATEVER, THE TOWN, WHATEVER THE TOWN.
I HAVE TO FILE THE LAWS OF NEW YORK STATE YEAH.
AS A RECEIVER OF TAXES, AND I HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO WAIVE PENALTY.
THAT IF THAT, AND WHAT DID THE CONTROLLERS OFFICE SAY? THIS IS WHEN YOU, I'M ASKING FRANCIS, ANYTIME THE CONTROLLER WAS ASKED FOR ADVICE, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, PAUL WOULD SAY, SO WHAT WOULD THIS CONSTITUTE? UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TAXPAYERS, HE WOULD NOT GIVE, NOR SHOULD HE GIVE THAT ADVICE.
HE SAID, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THAT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME THE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE TOWN, EVEN THOUGH PAUL KEEPS WRITING TO THEM AND ASKING THEM FOR LEGAL COUNSEL WHEN WE HAVE OUR OWN.
AND THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING TO, UM, REFER TO YOUR OWN LEGAL COUNSEL.
UH, BUT THEY, HE, HE MADE A POINT OF STATING THAT THIS IS NOT DONE RIGHT.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY'S DOING IT ILLEGALLY, WELL, I DON'T WANNA FOLLOW THAT MODEL.
IF SOMEBODY'S DOING IT INFORMALLY, WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING ILLEGALLY, I DON'T WANNA FOLLOW THAT MODEL.
REMINDER NOTICES ARE NOT MANDATORY.
BUT I HAVE MADE IT MANDATORY FOR MY OFFICE GOING FORWARD.
I POST ON THE WEBSITE, WE POST THE SIGNS AROUND TOWN.
MY OFFICE, WE DO OUR PART TO TRY TO, I'M NOT CRITICIZING YOU ON NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, WE, THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE THAT THE TAXES ARE DUE.
I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE HARDSHIPS, BUT THE BILLS ARE SENT OUT IN SEPTEMBER.
WE CANNOT ALWAYS WAIVE THE PENALTIES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BEING PAID IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE THEY FORGOT, OR SO, YOU KNOW, I, I STILL THINK WE'RE WRONG, BUT THAT'S FINE.
YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, MAYBE THE BOARD WILL CHANGE THEIR MIND.
I MEAN, I THINK IF FOR SOME REASON THERE'S AN UNUSUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T PAID FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS, WE COULD CONSIDER AN AMNESTY.
BUT ABSENT THAT, I, I, I THINK IT'S UNWIELDY AND TOO HARD TO, TO, TO, UM, NAVIGATE AND ENFORCE TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION.
WELL, IT BECOMES MORE SUBJECTIVE.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY'S MAJOR STORM WIFE DIED, SNOW STORM AND POST OFFICE IS SHUT DOWN.
NO, BUT USUALLY THE STATE THEN COMES OUT, WILL COME OUT.
I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN A TIME IN THE PAST WHERE
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THE STATE CAME OUT AND SAID, YOU CAN ACCEPT IT AFTER A CERTAIN DATE.BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT FROM THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE BECAUSE OF SOME, SOME MAJOR ISSUE.
IF SOMEBODY SENDS IT IN THE MAIL AND IT'S NOT DELIVERED, AND IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THE CONTROLLER TO SAY THE PENALTIES CAN BE WAIVED BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE SURE IT GETS THERE.
WELL, THEN IT'S THE POST OFFICE FAULT.
IT'S NOT THE TOWN OF GREENBERG'S FAULT, YOU KNOW, THIS.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IS AS FRUSTRATING AND AS HEARTBREAKING AS CAN BE.
UH, THE LAW IS THE LAW UNTIL THEY MODIFIED THE LAW, UH, WHICH I DON'T SEE HAPPENING.
BECAUSE IF YOU SAW THE RESPONSES THAT PAUL HAD TO HIS INQUIRY TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THEY DON'T WANT THAT, THAT TYPE OF GRAY AREA.
HEY, FOR YOU, WE'LL DO IT, BUT FOR YOU, YOU CAN'T, HEY, YOUR SURGERY WAS REALLY BAD, BUT YOUR SURGERY WASN'T SO BAD, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO BE IN THAT POSITION? RIGHT.
SO I, I SEE THAT I'M IN THE MINORITY.
ALRIGHT? BUT THIS IS, THIS IS NOW LIKE THE FIFTH TIME.
COULD WE AGREE THAT UNLESS THE CONTROLLER GIVES A DIFFERENT, I, I, I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE BOARD IS WRONG, SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY I'M NOT GONNA BRING IT UP AGAIN BECAUSE I, OKAY.
BUT I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP UNTIL, BUT IT REALLY SHOULD TAKE THREE VOTES TO HAVE SOMETHING APPEAR ON THE AGENDA.
NO, BUT I, I BASICALLY, I BASICALLY BELIEVE THAT I'M RIGHT ON THIS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND.
THE BOARD, THE STATE STATE, I DON'T THINK THE STATE DISAGREED WELL, BUT IT'S, I'VE NOT, I'VE HAD TWO CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE, AND THEY NEVER SAID, YOU CAN'T DO IT.
THEY SAID, IF YOU FEEL IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE, OF THE, THE TOWN, YOU COULD DO IT.
SO THEN THEY DIDN'T, THEY REFUSED TO DEFINE WHAT INTEREST OF THE TOWN IS.
SO THE THING IS, TO ME, THE INTEREST OF THE TOWN IS MAKING SOMEBODY WHOSE HUSBAND OR WIFE DIED FEEL THAT THE TOWN CARES ABOUT THEM.
AND, UH, THAT WE'RE MORE EMPATHETIC.
I FEEL THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN.
BECAUSE IF PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT
NO, AND, AND THAN WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
NO, BUT IN MY OPINION, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN IS FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT CARES ABOUT THEM AND THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS AND IS NOT, IT'S A TAX.
NO, THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW.
NOW, PEOPLE MAY DIFFER WITH THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT LETTING EMPLOYEES OFF ON JUNETEENTH, JUNETEENTH, IT'S THE SAME, SAME PURPOSE.
YOU KNOW WHAT MY FAILING IS? I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING, LET EMPLOYEES OUT, UH, AND HAVE A H BECAUSE EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY HAS IT.
AND I THINK YOU GET MORE GOOD WILL AND MORE, UM, UH, MORE SUPPORT FROM YOUR EMPLOYEES AND FROM CITIZENS WHEN YOU TREAT THEM.
AND I UNDERSTAND BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DIFFER, DIFFER WITH ME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, UH, DEMOCRACY.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DISAGREE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, IT'S NOT THAT I DISAGREE.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE STAYING UP HERE FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION FOR A MOMENT.
NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, JUST TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT I'M NOT THIS ULTRA, UH, BLEEDING HEART
UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, FORECLOSING ON PEOPLE'S, UH, PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.
WE, WE FILED A NOTICE OF PETITION AND PETITION, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK ON JUNE.
ON, ON SOME PROPERTIES ON 24 PROPERTIES.
CAN YOU JUST PULL THE MICROPHONE TO YOU PLEASE? AND TURN IT ON? IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
I'M, UH, MICHAEL FLAM, DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY.
WE FILED THE, UH, PETITION OF FORECLOSURE ON 24 PROPERTIES, UH, WITH BACK TAXES OF APPROXIMATELY, UH, A LITTLE UNDER $5 MILLION.
AND, UH, THOSE PARTICULAR PARCELS WILL HAVE TILL THE END OF SEPTEMBER TO REDEEM.
AND, UH, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY REDEEM AND IF THEY DON'T REDEEM, PLEASE.
IF THEY REDEEM THE, THEN THE TAXES WILL BE PAID IN FULL.
AND, UH, THEY WILL CONTINUE AS PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, IF THEY DON'T REDEEM BY THAT DATE, WE WILL REQUEST THAT THE COURT, UH, WILL, UH, SIGN A JUDGMENT OF FORECLOSURE, WHICH WILL TRANSFER THE PROPERTY INTO THE NAME OF THE TOWN.
THERE A WAS A SUPREME COURT ACTION.
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AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT, UM, VERY LITTLE IMPACT, UH, TO THE TOWN, BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, WE DO NOT SELL THE PROPERTIES AT A SURPLUS.UH, IT WOULD ONLY INVOLVE THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE SOLD FOR MORE THAN WHAT IS OWED.
UH, AND DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT SO THAT PEOPLE LISTENING CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT, WHAT THAT LAW DICTATES? CAN I, CAN I JUST STEP IN REAL QUICK? BECAUSE THESE ARE ONGOING PROCEEDINGS, AND I'M JUST THINKING THIS IS MORE OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TOPIC IF WE START DIVING INTO THESE SPECIFICS.
AND, UM, THAT IS A VERY RECENT COURT DETERMINATION THAT REFERS TO ANOTHER STATE, AND WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE HOW IT WILL APPLY TO NEW YORK AT THAT TIME.
AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE, THE STATE TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT ON THEIR PART AS WELL.
AND THE STATE HAS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE PROPOSALS, RIGHT? SO IN, IN FRONT OF THE STATE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DECIDED YET, RIGHT? NOT SO, FOR US TO MAKE ANY KIND OF JUDGMENT OR DETERMINATION AT THIS POINT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
SO WE, WE COULD ONLY SPECULATE RIGHT? TIMING.
WE CAN ONLY SPECULATE AND, AND NOT NECESSARILY TO SPECULATE.
NOW, HERE, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT 24 PROPERTIES THAT ARE, UH, BEING FORECLOSED, UH, WE GOT THAT DOWN AT ONE POINT.
AND COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT ENABLED PEOPLE TO, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS.
WE STARTED OFF, UM, WITH OVER 250 PARCELS, UM, AND WE, UH, TOOK APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION OF DELINQUENT TAXES OFF THE TABLE IN THAT TIME, WHITTLING IT DOWN, UH, TO THESE FINAL 24 AND EXCELLENT.
ARE THERE, IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE ANOTHER LETTER, LIKE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE 24, LIKE, LIKE A, A FRIENDLY LETTER SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T WANNA TAKE YOUR PROPERTY.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY, UH, THE, THE PETITION WAS JUST FILED.
THEY WILL BE RECEIVING NOTICE IN THE MAIL, REGULAR MAIL, CERTIFIED MAIL SHORTLY.
AND, UH, THAT'S, BUT IF THEY PAY IT OFF, THEN IF, IF THEY PAY, UH, BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER, THEN THEIR PROPERTY ISN'T FORECLOSED ANYMORE.
SO IT MAKES SENSE FOR, YOU KNOW, A FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE I DID IT THIS THE LAST TIME THERE'S A FORECLOSURE.
I COULD WRITE A LETTER TO THE 24 AND JUST SAY, WE DON'T WANT YOUR HOU, WE DON'T WANT YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU COULD, UM, THEY RECEIVE YOUR LETTER WITH YOUR LETTER THAT I SENT OUT WITH THE DELINQUENT.
BUT THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS NOW SAYING THERE'S A PETITION THAT'S IN COURT, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEY'VE BEEN RECEIVING THIS IS ONGOING LITIGATION ONGOING, AND I'D RATHER NOT DISCUSS OKAY.
THE SPECIFICS IN OPEN SESSION.
MAYBE WE SHOULD, I THINK THAT, UH, ATTORNEY KO SUGGESTED THAT WE NOT DISCUSS THIS.
UH, DO WE, DO WE HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE STATE COMING IN ON THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO IF IT'S ALL TAX RELATED, MAYBE YOU MAY WANT, WE DID NOT HAVE ANYONE, SORRY.
WE DID NOT HAVE ANYONE FROM THE STATE WHO IS HERE TODAY.
UM, BUT THE, UH, SCRE REPRESENTS THE SENIOR CITIZEN RENT INCOME EXEMPTION.
AND IT, IT IS A PROGRAM THAT IS ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE STATE THAT ALLOWS FOR, UM, SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE RENTAL, WHO ARE RENTERS TO, UM, BE EXEMPT FROM A CERTAIN, UM, UH, INCREASE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF INCOME.
SO WE HAVE HAD, HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND IN MANY MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER, $40,000 HAS BEEN THE INCOME CEILING.
AND IT'S JUST TOO LOW BECAUSE MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AS SENIOR CITIZENS RECEIVE, UM, UH, OTHER FORMS OF, OF INCOME, UM, UH, IN ADDITION TO THEIR, THEIR PENSION.
AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO RE, TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT TO 50,000 THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A TAX ABBA ABATEMENT, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THEIR, UM, THEIR RENTAL.
AND THE, THE CLERK'S OFFICE RECEIVES
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THE APPLICATION FROM THE OFFICE, WHERE IN WHITE PLAINS WHERE RESIDENTS WOULD APPLY FOR THIS DECREASE.THEY, IF THEY DETERMINE THAT THE, UM, COUPLE IS, IS ELIGIBLE FOR AN INCOME DECREASE, A TAX ABATEMENT DECREASE, RATHER, THEN THEY WILL INFORM, INFORM US, AND THEN WE INFORM OUR TAX RECEIVER WHO THEN INFORMS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, SAID RESIDENTS, UH, QUALIFY FOR A TAX ABATEMENT.
AND I WANNA MENTION, BECAUSE, UH, NONE OF THAT'S TRUE.
I EMAILED, UH, THE, OR KRISTA, EXCUSE ME, NONE OF THAT IS TRUE.
NO, BUT LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
UH, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I TAKE ISSUE WITH WHAT FRANCIS IS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A TAX ABATEMENT.
UM, WHAT HE SAYS, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A TAX ABATEMENT.
IT IS A TAX ABATEMENT THAT, IS IT VENITA? IS IT A TAX ABATEMENT THAT IS GRANTED TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? TO, I I SEND A CHECK TO THE, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
IT'S A CERTAIN, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THE PERCENTAGE.
'CAUSE ALL THAT INFORMATION IS GIVEN TO YOUR OFFICE.
BUT ONCE IT'S GIVEN TO ME, AS LONG AS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY HAS PAID THE TAXES MM-HMM.
UM, THE EMERGENCY TENANT PROTECTION ACT, IT'S A REFUND.
SO I GUESS IT'S NOT AN ABATEMENT, IT'S A REFUND.
IT HAS, IT HAS TO DO WITH RENT INCREASE.
BUT THAT'S, IS IT, IT'S, NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT STILL, IT STILL RESULTS IN, ACCORDING TO WHAT, UM, MR. RODRIGUEZ EXPLAINED TO ME, WHO REPRESENTS THE, UM, WHITE PLAIN'S OFFICE AND THE FEDERAL PROGRAM.
IT REPRESENTS A TAX ABATEMENT TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS IS THE SCREE PROGRAM HELPS PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THEIR HOMES.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HELPING PEOPLE WHO, UH, ARE STRUGGLING.
AND, UM, AND EXACTLY WHEN I, WHEN I, SO THE THING IS, MY FEELING IS OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE INCREASED THE, THE MAXIMUM ANNUAL INCOME TO 50,000 FROM 40,000.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA, UM, BREAK THE BANK FOR THE TOWN, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO, UM, MR. MR. RODRIGUEZ, ROBERT RODRIGUEZ FROM, UH, FROM NEW YORK STATE, HE INDICATED THAT CURRENTLY IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THEY HAVE 18 ACTIVE SCREE PARTICIPANTS.
UM, SO, UH, DO NOT HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS ON FILE ON THE PAST EIGHT YEARS THAT WERE AIMED BASED ON THE APPLICANT HAVING AN AGGREGATE HOUSEHOLD ANNUAL INCOME IN EXCESS OF 40,000.
WE'VE RECEIVED, JUDITH AND ME, WE'VE RECEIVED MAYBE ONE OR TWO REQUESTS, NOT THAT MANY FROM A, FROM SOME RESIDENTS AT ALL, WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF WE WOULD INCREASE IT TO 50,000, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY LAW.
SO ALL WE'RE ASKING IS IF WE COULD, UM, INCREASE IT, YOU KNOW, MY GUT FAILING IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S GONNA BE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
FOR THOSE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, IT'S THE CREATING, UM, IT'S MAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING MORE, MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE GETTING HUNDREDS OF, UH, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING THIS.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY LESS THAN HALF A DOZEN MIGHT.
OR, AND WHAT ARE THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS? THEY HAVE 50,000, UH, $50,000 AND ANNUAL INCOME IN EXCESS OF $50,000.
AND SEE, THIS IS WHY I ASKED FOR THE DATA WE ASKED YOU MONTHS AGO.
MONTHS AGO, RIGHT? AND THIS IS WHY IN 2016, WHEN WE INCREASED IT TO 40,000, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DATA REGARDING THIS PROGRAM.
WHAT TROUBLES ME IS THAT PEOPLE WHO WERE LISTENING TO THIS, WHO EARN LESS THAN $50,000 THINK THAT THIS WILL APPLY TO THEM.
YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE EMERGENCY, UH, TENANT PROTECTION ACT.
AND BE IN A UNIT THAT'S COVERED BY THAT ACT.
WHAT WAS DONE FOR US THEN, WHEN WE WENT FROM 29,000 TO 40,000, WAS WE WERE GIVEN A LIST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ELIGIBLE.
AND THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TAXES.
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YOU ASK THE ASSESSOR TO COME IN HERE, SHE'S GONNA TELL YOU THAT THIS IS RUN SOLELY BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND NOT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH ASSESSMENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH TAXES, AS WE'VE HEARD EARLIER.
SO WHAT IS THIS PROGRAM FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE, WHICH, YES, THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME HAS TO BE $50,000 OR LESS, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER HOOPS THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO APPLY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS.
AND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN EMAILS, I'VE SEEN AS PEOPLE ARE SAYING, I EARNED LESS THAN $50,000 AND BACK, HEY, THIS IS GREAT, WE SHOULD INCREASE IT TO $50,000.
NOW, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO INCREASING IT TO $50,000.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN WE WENT TO $40,000, I WROTE AN EMAIL TO PAUL AND THE REST OF THE BOARD AND SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT AND GO TO $50,000 NEXT YEAR.
AND DIANA JUTTER, WHO WAS ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME, SAID, I AGREE, WE SHOULD PUT IT ON A WORK SESSION AGENDA.
THE SUPERVISOR RESPONDED SAYING, I'D RATHER LEAVE IT AT $40,000 BECAUSE EDGE MONTH'S GOING TO INCORPORATE AND WE COULD LOSE 70 PEOPLE.
AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE IT.
LET ME, YOU JUST MAKING STUPID COMMENTS.
I'M MAKING STUPID COMMENTS JUST LIKE YOU CALLED ME AN IDIOT THE OTHER DAY, RIGHT? THIS IS YOUR GROWN UP, THIS IS YOUR GROWN UP GROWNUP SHOES.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU FACTS.
SO WHAT IS THIS PROGRAM? AND AGAIN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES, NOTHING TO DO WITH ASSESSMENT.
WHAT IT IS, DOES, IS FOR ELIGIBLE PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ARE LOW INCOME, THE LOWEST OF INCOME.
WHAT IT DOES IS IF THE LANDLORD RAISES THEIR RENT AND THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PICK UP THE INCREASE.
THE LANDLORD IS NOT HURT ANYWAY.
THAT CHECK IS COMING FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
'CAUSE WE ARE COVERING THE RENT INCREASE FOR THAT TENANT.
RIGHT? UNLIKE WHAT YOU HEARD BEFORE, THAT'S THIS PROGRAM.
I'VE BEEN ASKING COULD WE GET DATA SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD IN 2 20 16? AND IT'S CRICKETS.
RIGHT? SO TODAY, WHILE I'M TRYING TO WORK ON TODAY'S AGENDA, I SEE THAT THIS IS BACK ON THE AGENDA AGAIN MULTIPLE TIMES AND, OKAY, SO NOW I, I GUESS I SHOULD TRY AND FIND THE DATA FROM 2016.
OKAY? SO, SO NITA, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DO WITH REGARDS TO THE OWNER? I JUST SEND A REFUND CHECK BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I GET FROM YOUR OFFICE.
I JUST VERIFY THAT THE TAXES WERE PAID FOR THAT COMPLEX MM-HMM.
AND AS LONG AS THE TAXES ARE PAID, I ISSUE THE REFUND TOO.
AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S TAX RELATED.
THE CLERK'S OFFICE ONLY LET NITA ANSWER.
IT'S NOT TAX RELATED, BUT THEY ONLY, THEY HAVE TO BE IN GOOD STANDING ANSWER.
THE TAXES HAVE TO BE PAID IN ORDER BEFORE I ISSUE THE REFUND.
SO, BUT IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE TAXES, IT'S NOT RELATED, RELATED TO TAXES.
THE TAXES, UH, THE TAX INFORMATION IS, IS CONNECTED TO IT.
SO, SO THERE IS SOME RELATIONSHIP THERE.
NO, IT'S BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES, YOU WOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO THIS.
SO, I, I JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE CLERK'S OFFICE DOES NOT, AND HAS NEVER RUN, QUOTE UNQUOTE, RUN THIS PROGRAM.
THE CLERK'S OFFICE BASICALLY FACILITATES THE INFORMATION FROM THE, THE STATE TO YOUR OFFICE INFORMING YOU OF THE INDIVIDUALS, UM, WHO QUALIFI WHO ARE ENTITLED TO IT MM-HMM.
SO, SO JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION AND CORRECTION, THE CLERK'S OFFICE DOES NOT RUN THIS PROGRAM.
IT, IT, IT IS A, UM, TO BE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S A, UM, UH, A FUNCTION, SO TO SPEAK, THAT SHOULD BE IN, IN THE TAX RECEIVERS TO, TO AVOID ANY OF THE CONFUSION WITH REGARDS TO CALCULATIONS THAT THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL.
UM, BUT I, FOR CLARIFICATION, IT IS NOT A PROGRAM THAT IS RUN THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
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A FUNCTION THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE FACILITATES IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATING TO THE TAX RECEIVER'S OFFICE WHAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, UH, OF CALCULATED.BUT THE, THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ASKING FOR THE LIMIT TO BE INCREASED FROM 40,000 TO 50,000.
AND WE HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF US, UM, A PRINTOUT OF SEVERAL TOWNS AND VILLAGES, A MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE PROVIDED THAT, THAT INCREASE VILLAGE OF CROTON, VILLAGE OF DOBS FERRY TO, TO 50,000, HASTINGS TO 50,000.
UM, UH, MARMAR, UH, A SISTER TOWN TO TOWN OF GREENBURG WITH REGARDS TO, UM, MANY OPERATIONS INCREASED TO 50,000.
CITY OF MOUNT VERNON, 50, MOUNT N ROCHELLE 50, AUSTIN 50, UM, UH, WHITE PLAINS 50, YONKERS 50.
AND IT JUST, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.
IT JUST ALLOWS FOR, UM, I'M NOT FINISHED.
IT JUST ALLOWS FOR, UM, A, FOR, FOR RESIDENTS WITHIN OUR TOWN TO MAKE THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT WITH REGARDS TO QUALIFYING FOR THIS TAX.
THIS, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP IF I MAY NOT QUESTION, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF I CAN SUMMARIZE THIS AND UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO WE, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT IT'D BE GREAT TO, TO RAISE THE AMOUNT, UM, FOR THE, AND, AND THAT IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO SEND THE INFORMATION TO, TO THE, TO THE TAX RE RECEIVER.
NOT BECAUSE IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH TAXES, HOWEVER, BUT TO ENSURE THAT BECAUSE THE TAXES HAVE BEEN PAID, THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, LANDLORDS ARE ENTITLED.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEN ASKED FOR INFORMATION THAT WAS MORE EXPLANATORY, WHAT BEGINNING OF MAY, AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME HESITANCY, UM, IN GOING AHEAD WITHOUT THE BACKUP.
SO, DID I GET IT RIGHT? YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS BEFORE MAY THOUGH.
WHAT, WHAT? BUT THAT IS CORRECT INFORMATION.
CAN I JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION, JUST SINCE EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD SAYS IF FOR IT, BUT WE'VE BEEN, BEEN FOR IT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
SO WHY CAN'T WE, UM, SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UH, ANYBODY WHO HAS INFORMATION BETWEEN THAT AND HAS REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU COULD, WE'LL TRY GETTING THE ANSWERS AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR AN UP OR DOWN VOTE IN SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S PEOPLE WHO, UM, HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IT.
THERE'S 10, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOWER INCOME.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE COMMITTED TO HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE LOWER INCOME WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES.
UM, SO IF WE, IF WE GIVE OURSELVES THE DEADLINE AND SAY WE ARE GONNA VOTE UP OR DOWN IN SEPTEMBER, GIVES EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WHO WANTS GET MORE INFORMATION THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.
AND, UH, THIS WAY WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY ARGUING AND POINTING FINGERS, WELL, WE'RE NOT ARGUING AND POINTING FINGERS.
WE JUST WANNA, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, WHERE DID WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM IN 2016? WHO SUPPLIED THAT INFORMATION? CHUCK LESNIK.
AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS ON THE EMAIL THAT I THINK WAS SENT TODAY OR YESTERDAY, STATING THAT THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE, UM, UH, WAS THE PERSON WHO I BELIEVE GAVE CHUCK LESNIK THE DATA.
ROBERT RODRIGUEZ, RIGHT? ROBERT? ROBERT R SO HE WOULD BE A SOURCE OF THE TYPE OF DATA THAT'S HERE, WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO AS THE 40,000 DO, UH, UH, LIMIT.
HE DIDN'T GIVE US THE ESTIMATE FOR 50,000.
WE KNEW GOING INTO 40,000 WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE.
AND THAT, I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT A NOVEL IDEA THAT WHEN WE VOTE, WE VOTE BASED ON DATA AND WE DON'T, DON'T, DON'T JUST SAY, HEY, IT SOUNDS GREAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD SOUNDBITE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY, UM, SUPPORT IT.
MATTER OF FACT, I WAS THE FIRST TO, I WAS CHECKING EMAILS TODAY.
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I WAS THE FIRST TO SUPPORT INCREASING IT AFTERWARDS, BUT IT NEVER APPEARED ON AN AGENDA, UM, BECAUSE OF A CONCERN ABOUT EDGEMONT.SO, SO CAN WE GET THAT INFORMATION IN 2017? WHO, WHO HAS TO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION? PAUL, WOULD YOU PLEASE? NO.
I'LL, I'LL TRY GET GETTING, SO, SO WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT IS BEING REQUESTED? THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE GOT IN 2016 FROM THE SAME GENTLEMAN WHO APPARENTLY WAS COPIED ON THE EMAIL
SO THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIED.
WHEN YOU SAY THE SAME INFORMATION, WHAT IS THAT INFORMATION THAT IS BEING REQUESTED? HE'LL KNOW BECAUSE HE GAVE IT TO US IN 2016.
I I, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL KNOW THAT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME PRIVACY ISSUES.
I THINK THERE'S SOME PRIVACY ISSUES.
SO WE CAN'T BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS A PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THE, THE COUNCILMAN HAS AND THAT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME TO SEE BEFORE MAKING A DECISION.
SO, UM, I SPOKE WITH MR. RODRIGUEZ TODAY AND ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO BE A GUEST, UM, AT THIS MEETING, AT THE WORK SESSION.
UM, AND, UH, IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? NO.
FOR WHAT PURPOSE? WHY WOULD WE BRING THEM IN? I'M JUST TRYING TO ASCERTAIN WHAT INFORMATION IS NEEDED.
SO THAT, AND THAT WOULD DETERMINE HOW THE INFORMATION COULD BE OBTAINED.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION YOU WANT HIM TO I'M SORRY? YOU WANT HIM TO COME TO THE WORK SESSION TO ASK FOR THE, THE, I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN.
I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.
SO YOU'RE ASKING HIM TO COME IN THE WORK SESSION TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS DATA IS? THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST ASKING.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
THAT'S WHY I'M JUST ASKING AARY.
AGAIN, VERY SIMPLE FOR ACCOUNTABILITY PURPOSES.
I'M ASKING WHAT INFORMATION DO YOU NEED? SAME INFORMATION HE PROVIDED IN 2016.
RIGHT? WE KEEP GOING IN CIRCLES HERE, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CHUCK LESNIK IS STILL INVOLVED WITH CHUCK GOT THE INFORMATION.
CHUCK GOT THE INFORMATION FROM MR. RODRIGUEZ.
HE'S COPIED ON THE SAME EMAIL.
SO THAT GOES BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.
THE INFORMATION THAT CHUCK OBTAINED, YOU'RE SAYING CHUCK LESNER PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION IN 2016, THAT WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO.
WHAT WE NEED, THAT'S WHY WE NEED UPDATED INFORMATION.
PLEASE DO NOT, DO NOT DISRUPT TO MOVE SPECIFIC INFORMATION.
MR. RODRIGUEZ NEED TO SPECIFICALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION THAT MR. RODRIGUEZ GAVE TO MR. NE IN 20 S 2016.
MR. ASK HIM AND LET HIM TELL YOU HE DOESN'T REMEMBER THE WHAT HE, WHAT HE GAVE HIM.
AND WHAT DID HE SAY WHEN YOU ASKED HIM? THAT'S SIR.
WHAT WAS THE ANSWER? I, I WROTE TO HIM? THAT'S ABSURD.
WELL, APPARENTLY HE WAS ASKED A QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE ANSWER? IT'S SEVEN YEARS AGO.
I EMAILED, I EMAILED HIM ON FRIDAY.
AND I BASICALLY WERE, I SAID, WE ARE CONSIDERING RAISING THE SCREE RATE FROM 40,000 TO 50,000 IN GREENBURG.
AS I'VE HEARD MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE.
THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO AN INCORPORATED GREENBURG RESIDENTS AND SOME VILLAGES OF IRVINGTON, TARRYTOWN, ORLEY, ELMSFORD HASTINGS DO, SORRY, MANAGE THEIR OWN PROCESS.
THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY SENIOR RENTERS THIS MIGHT AFFECT.
HOW, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO PART TAKE OF THIS PROGRAM.
OUR TOWN CLERK, UH, REPORTS THAT CURRENTLY THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 25 RESIDENTS ON FILE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO REPORT, UH, TO THE BOARD WITH YOUR FINDINGS.
IF YOU'RE ABLE, THIS COULD BE BY ZOOM OR IN PERSON AT 5:00 PM SIX 20 AT GREENBURG TOWN HALL.
IN ANY CASE, GETTING ANY INFORMATION AHEAD OF THAT AND RESOLUTIONS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS WHO DID THIS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO THE BOARD TO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME.
SO I WAS TRYING, I THINK WE'RE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT APPLES AND ORANGES IN, I I THINK YOU ASKED FOR HIGH LEVEL INFORMATION, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT WE, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN WAS ASKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE DE MUCH MORE DETAILED, SUCH AS WHAT MR. RODRIGUEZ HAD PREPARED AT CHUCKLES CHECKLIST'S REQUEST.
CAN YOU ASK HIM FOR THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL? WHAT WAS HIS ANSWER? WHAT WAS HIS ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION? NO.
SO THEN HE SAID, THEN HE SAID OVER HERE, HE SAID, UM, UH, UH, HE WON'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
UH, THEY HAVE 18 ACTIVE SCREEN PARTICIPANTS DO NOT HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS ON FILE IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS THAT WERE DENIED BASED ON THE APPLICANT HAVING AN AGGREGATE HOUSEHOLD ANNUAL INCOME IN EXCESS OF $40,000.
UH, ALSO THE FOLLOWING LINK CONTAINS, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR THIS RE
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UH, DRE APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS THAT LISTS THE INCOME LIMITS FOR VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER.UM, HE SAID, I TRUST THIS INFORMATION WILL BE OF USE TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES AT YOUR UPCOMING TOWN HALL MEETING WHEN YOU DELIBERATE OVER RAISING THE INCOME THRESHOLD TO 50,000.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, UM, IF FRANCIS, SOMETIMES I COULD THINK I'M ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND I'M NOT AS, SO WE ALL HAVE THE MR. RODRIGUEZ'S EMAIL BECAUSE I EMAILED EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD, SO EVERYBODY GOT COPIES OF THAT, UH, OF HIS EMAIL.
SO IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE INFORMATION, YOU COULD CONTACT MR. RODRIGUEZ.
YOU COULD ASK FOR AS MUCH DATA AS YOU WANT.
UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA, UH, PROBABLY BE ELIGIBLE OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS, BUT THERE'LL BE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE.
AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD JUST VOTE FOR MR. SUPERVISOR.
I THINK THAT ALL WE'RE ASKING IS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONTACT MR. RODRIGUEZ AND ASK HIM FOR THE LEVEL OF DATA THAT HE SUPPLIED IN 2016.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2016, WE HAD DATA THAT SHOWED THAT SEVERAL OF THE ONES THAT WENT TO 50,000, THEY HAD NOBODY ELIGIBLE.
WELL, IT'S EASY TO GO TO 50,000 IF YOU HAVE NOBODY ELIGIBLE.
YOU GO TO 60,000, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT PERMITTED BY LAW.
BUT IT'S, WE KEEP HEARING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY RAISED IT TO FI 50, SOMEBODY RAISED IT TO 50, AT LEAST ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.
BUT AT THE TIME WE WERE VOTING, WE KNEW WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
AND, AND, AND IN THIS REGARD, AND SO I, I NOW HEAR IT'S 18 ACCORDING TO MR. RODRIGUEZ.
DID YOU SAY YOU'RE GETTING HOW MANY FROM THE CLERK OFFICE? WHO THOUGHT HE SAID IT WAS 18? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT, HE SAID 18.
BUT MR. RODRIGUEZ, OH, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
MR. RODRIGUEZ HAS CONFIRMED THAT THERE ARE 18 ACTIVELY INVOLVED.
SO, SO THOSE KINDS OF STATISTICS ARE, ARE, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, COMMON PRACTICE THAT THOSE STATISTICS CHANGE.
UM, WHAT I, I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH REGARDS TO CLARIFYING.
DON'T HAVE STATISTICS WE DON'T HAVE.
SO HOW OFTEN DO THEY COME OUT? RIGHT? SO IF WE HAVE 25, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
I'M NOT, FINISH WHAT I'M SAYING.
I STOP WITH SIDEBARS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY RUDE.
I THINK THERE'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT AND, UH, WITH REGARDS TO AND, AND, AND, AND EXPRESS CLARITY WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO IF, IF YOU WANT A REPORT, AN UPDATED REPORT BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU FROM 2016, UM, YOU CAN EITHER, UH, SHARE THAT WITH PAUL'S ASSISTANT AND ASK FOR AN UPDATED REPORT BASED ON ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S IN THAT REPORT, OR SPECIFY SOMETHING.
OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'VE COVERED THAT GROUND EXCUSE.
WE HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
YOU'VE REPEATED YOURSELF SEVERAL TIMES.
WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, I'M MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
WHO ARE THE SEVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTIVE ON THE LIST THAT IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE? RIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE 25 ACTIVE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE SENDING TO THE, UH, RECEIVER OF TAXES TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT THEIR TENANT, THEIR, UH, LANDLORD IS ELIGIBLE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE REPORT THAT WE JUST GOT, THEY'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE 18.
ARE THERE SEVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER QUALIFIED THAT YOU KEEP SENDING TO THE RECEIVER OF TAXES? THIS IS WHY DATA IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS ARE PICKING UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
I JUST, LEMME JUST, I JUST HAVE ONE THING I'M GONNA EMAIL MR. RODRIGUEZ, I'M GONNA COPY EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU'LL ALL HAVE THE COPY IF YOU FEEL I'M NOT ASKING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU WANT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU REALLY WANT.
SO IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD FEELS THAT MY LETTER IS NOT ACCURATE ENOUGH, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ENOUGH DETAILS.
YOU COULD ALSO, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD HAS, HAS MR. RODRIGUEZ'S EMAIL.
EVERYBODY IS ABLE TO, UM, TO ASK HIM ANYTHING YOU WANT.
AND ALL I'M ASKING IS, COULD WE GIVE OURSELVES SO IT DOESN'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, LIKE A, A DATE WHEN WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
UH, AND WHEN WE SAY WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE DATA.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S, AGAIN, THIS IS SUCH A MINOR, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAYBE TALKING.
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? THREE PEOPLE, MR. SUPERVISOR.
UM, HOW ABOUT IF WHEN YOU MAKE THE REQUEST TO MR. RODRIGUEZ, YOU ASK HIM WHEN HE CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION TO US AND THEN WE CAN SET IT UP ON THE AGENDA'S? FINE.
AS SOON AS WE HERE, THAT'S FINE.
I'LL, I WILL, UM, I WILL, UM, UH, WORK ON THIS TONIGHT.
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DON'T GOODNIGHT.YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANNA SOME MORE STUFF YOU'VE BEEN DOING SO WELL COME ON BROWN.
UM, OKAY, THE DISABLED PARKING SPOT.
HE SAID THAT HE'S, YOU KNOW, WORKING, WHICH DISABLED PARKING SPOT IS THIS? WHAT, WHICH ONE CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, WHICH DISABLED PARKING SPOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE TOWN OWNS PROPERTY AT CAMPUS PLACE AND CENTURY PLACE.
WE HAVE, UM, BEEN NOTIFIED OR WE, IT'S COME TO OUR DETERMINATION THAT THERE SHOULD BE SEVERAL HANDICAP SPOTS IN EACH LOCATION.
THREE, APPROXIMATELY TO MEET CURRENT STANDARDS.
SO THE ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT AREAS OF THE PARKING LOT THOSE HANDICAP SPOTS CAN BE PUT IN TO MAKE IT LEGAL AND TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
AND WHAT ABOUT ADDRESSING THE REST OF THE PARKING? I MEAN, IT'S TOWN PROPERTY AND APPARENTLY WE HEARD THAT THEY WERE SELLING PARKING SPACES ON TOWN PROPERTY.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, UM, WE'RE NOW AWARE, RIGHT? AND AT LEAST IT WAS STATED BY THE PERSON WHO WAS ASKING FOR THIS, THIS SPOT.
AND THE PARKING SPOT'S NOT DISABLED, BY THE WAY.
UM, PARKING SPOTS, A PARKING SPOT.
THE, UM, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THE REST OF THE SITUATION THERE WHERE THEY OBTAINED BASICALLY PEOPLE PARKING BEHIND EACH OTHER, UH, IT'S TOWN PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT.
NO, WE'RE, AND WE'RE NOT IGNORING THAT.
SO WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PROCEED MOVING FORWARD IF WE WOULD EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT THE PROPERTY UP FOR SALE OR A LEASE OR IF WE WOULD POTENTIALLY DO A LAND SWAP FOR A DIFFERENT AREA THAT THEY OWN, RIGHT? UM, THAT WAS ABOUT A MONTH AGO NOW, MAYBE SIX WEEKS AGO NOW.
SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP BECAUSE THOSE TWO MEMBERS, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PRESIDENT AND THE TREASURER, RIGHT? WERE GOING BACK TO THEIR BOARD TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITIES AND TO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION.
SO I AGREE THAT IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT PUTTING ONE PARKING SPOT IN AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE THREE HANDICAP SPOTS, UM, BE PUT IN PROPERLY, BUT TO ALSO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION OF DEALING WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, RICH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO COMMENT ON THIS? I SAW YOU STARTING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
PERFECT TIMING, CHRIS, THE BUTTON.
SO WE ALL MET ON SITE, UH, THE TWO LOCATIONS, CAMPUS AND CENTURY.
UH, WE MET WITH TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE PRESENT, WENT OVER WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD NEED TO GET DONE.
OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA TAKE A TOTAL LOOK AT THE PROJECT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA PIECEMEAL OR NOT DO, A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST THE HANDICAP SPOTS THIS'S THE NUMBER, WHICH WE'VE CALCULATED.
IT'S THE SIZE, THERE'S THE TYPE, BUT IT'S ALSO ACCESS INTO THE LOCATION WHERE THE GENTLEMAN LIVES.
AND IT'S NOT, THESE WON'T BE EARMARKED FOR HIM.
THEY'RE PUBLIC SPACES, SO THEY'D BE PUBLIC HANDICAP SPACES.
WITH THESE THREE HANDICAP SPOTS, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA LOSE A TOTAL OF FIVE REGULAR SPOTS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, OR WE WILL BE MAKING A PLAN THAT WORKS BEST FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
AND WHEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO, SO AARON HAYWOOD RIGHT NOW IS FINISHING UP THE JUNIOR PAL SIDEWALK, WHICH WAS A HEAVY PRIORITY.
ONCE THAT'S DONE, HE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THIS.
HE WAS JUST APPROVED BY THE COUNTY TO TAKE THE ASSISTANCE SPOT.
SO HE'S MOVED UP FROM JUNIOR TO US.
CAN WE, CAN WE ASSISTANT ENGINEER ELABORATE? THAT'S THE GREAT NEWS.
SO IS JASON EXHALING? WHAT'S THAT? CAN JASON NOW EXHALE,
AND WHAT TWO POSITION, WHAT TWO POSITIONS ARE YOU TRYING TO FILL? COMMISSIONER, DEPUTY TOWN ENGINEER AND JUNIOR CIVIL ENGINEER.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY.
THE JUNIOR IS STILL YET TO BE POSTED.
'CAUSE AARON'S PROMOTION IS MM-HMM.
AND IS THAT EXAM, IS THAT POSITION CIVIL SERVICE? IT IS.
DEPOSITION IS THE, IS TEST AVAILABLE.
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BE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,JUST PUSH THE BUTTON ON THE, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, NEXT, UH, THE AGENDA REVIEW.
SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY, OH, RICH, DON'T, YEAH, DON'T GO TOO FAR.
SO, UM, THERE'S A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
UH, ONE OF OUR, TWO OF OUR EMPLOYEES LOST THEIR MOTHER LAST, LAST WEEK THIS WEEKEND.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD THAT TO MS. SELF.
DID SOMEBODY HAVE A SHORT PARAGRAPH? OKAY.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT FOR TOMORROW, PLEASE.
AT THE LAST, YOU KNOW, MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THE JUNIPER HILL HOLIDAY, YOU KNOW, KEN SAID THAT I SHOULD JUST CALL THE QUESTION AND HAVE A VOTE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO DO THE JUNIPER HILL FOR, NO, FOR THE, UH, JUNETEENTH, NOT JUNIPER HILL, FOR, UH, FOR, UH, UH, JUNETEENTH, UH, YOU KNOW, LETTING EMPLOYEES OUT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, THEY, THEY'RE SPEAKING TO ME.
EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY IN WESTCHESTER HAS A DAY OFF.
THE COUNTY, HAS A DAY OFF, THE STATE HAS THE DAY OFF.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THE DAY OFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I SORT OF THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL ATTENDED, UH, THE FUNCTION IN IRVINGTON, UM, WHERE THEY'RE COMMEMORATING, UM, UH, THE ROLE, UH, SLAVES HAD AND, AND, UH, IN CREATING IRVINGTON.
AND I, I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA REALLY LOOK, IT'S GONNA BE EMBARRASSING IF GREENBERG IS, YOU KNOW, GREENBERG AND SOME DEEP SOUTH STATES, UH, ARE SAYING NO TO JUNETEENTH.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE COMMUNITIES IN WESTCHESTER THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER BE ON THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN EMPLOYEES WORKING FOR THE TOWN.
I FEEL IT'S AN INSULT IF WE, UH, IF WE DON'T, UH, GIVE THEM THE DAY OFF ON JUNETEENTH.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION, AND, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA VOTE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I'M HOPING THAT THIS WOULD BE UNANIMOUS.
UH, YOU KNOW, SOME EMPLOYEES LAST WEEK AT OUR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION DAY, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WERE GONNA SHOW UP, UM, IN MASS, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW.
AND I FEEL THAT IF WE WOULD SAY JUNETEENTH IS THE HOLIDAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE PLEASED, THEN IT WILL HELP WITH THE EMPLOYEE MORALE AND PEOPLE WILL FEEL POSITIVE ABOUT LIVING IN THE TOWN AND WORKING IN THE TOWN.
YOU KNOW, I I, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THE FIRST COMMUNITY.
WE'RE, WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW THAT SO FAR HAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED JUNETEENTH AS A HOLIDAY.
AND PRACTICALLY EVERY COMMUNITY THAT I REACH OUT TO, THEY'RE CLOSED.
CERTAINLY AN ISSUE WILL BE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE TOWN COURT, IF EMPLOYEES ARE HERE AND ALL THE OTHER TOWN COURTS ARE CLOSED, UM, AND THE JAIL IS CLOSED AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING FOR THE EMPLOYEES AT THE TOWN COURT TO DO.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COURT, AND THEY MADE THAT CLEAR.
SO THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WILL BE IN THE OFFICE AND NO ONE ELSE WILL BE IN THE OFFICE COUNTYWIDE.
AND THIS WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU WOULD'VE RAISED THIS WITH, WITH THE PASSION THAT YOU ARE IN THE LAST 10 DAYS, UH, EARLIER IN THE YEAR WHEN THE REST OF THE BOARD WAS, UH, WHEN WE WERE STARTING, UH, UNION, UH, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR UNIONS.
AND WE HAD OUTSIDE COUNCIL HIRED, AND WE SAID, A, A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US WAS TO INCLUDE JUNETEENTH.
UM, AND YOU, YOU WERE BASICALLY SILENT ON, ON THAT AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN ONLY IN THE LAST 10 DAYS ARE WE HEARING THIS.
AND YOU SAID, WELL, IT WON'T COST MUCH 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T CHECK.
AND THEN OUR CONTROLLER CAME BACK AND AS $240,000 IN TIME ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY QUICKLY AT THE LAST MOMENT, UH, WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL SAYING THAT, UH, THIS WOULD COMPROMISE LABOR NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU RAISED IN THE LAST 10 DAYS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, NOT, NOT FAVORABLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH SANITATION AT THE LAST MOMENT YOU JUST SEND OUT POSTCARD.
WHAT DO YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE DISENGAGEMENT.
AND THEN WHEN THERE'S A CRISIS, YOU COME ACROSS AS IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SOLVE THE CRISIS THAT FRANKLY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND WE, WE, UH, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS, UH,
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REPEATEDLY ON THE AGENDAS, WE DIDN'T GET TO HAVING MORE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION EARLIER.UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MAKE THAT WORK NOW AND $240,000 IN, IN TIME.
UM, AND IT'S THAT HIGH BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, UH, POLICE CONTRACTS WORK, UH, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S INSIGNIFICANT AND, UM, NEEDS TO BE FACTORED IN.
EVEN THOUGH I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE JUNETEENTH AS A HOLIDAY, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK THIS YEAR.
AND IT ALSO HAS RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE, UH, UH, UNION NEGOTIATIONS ACCORDING TO OUR ATTORNEY, IF YOU WANNA VOTE.
BUT I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH EVERY, EVERY, EVERY GOVERNMENT.
WHEN THEY DECIDED TO CLOSE DOWN, UH, THEIR OFFICES ON JUNETEENTH, FINE, ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER THAT ARE CLOSING DOWN ON JUNETEENTH, THEY ALSO HAVE THE SAME FINANCIAL ISSUES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, I WAS READING, UH, I WAS GOOGLING OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN STATES, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UH, THE, THE SOUTHERN STATES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED HAVE, YOU KNOW, DISCRIMINATORY POLICIES, THEY'RE USING THE SAME ARGUMENT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS GONNA BE COSTLY.
BUT TO ME, WE HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE TO OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN EMPLOYEES AND THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE, UM, EMPATHETIC, UH, THAT WE APPRECIATE WHAT'S HAPPENED.
AND OUR NATION HAS TO LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THE PAST.
AND THAT'S WHAT JUNETEENTH IS ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL YOU KNOW, ALL ABOUT.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, GREENBERG TAKING THE LEAD.
WE'RE BASICALLY WAY BEHIND EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY, UM, IN, UM, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN WESTCHESTER.
THERE'S PRACTICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WIDELY CRITICIZED IF, UM, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A JUNETEENTH PARADE ON FRIDAY, WHICH IS FANTASTIC, ONE OF THE BEST, UM, EVENTS OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THANK YOU, GINA.
YOU KNOW WHAT, GINA WAS THE ONE WHO HIGHLIGHTED THE IMPORTANCE OF JUNETEENTH.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS, IS, HAS EXPRESSED ANY RESERVATION ABOUT JUNETEENTH BEING CELEBRATED.
I THINK WHAT THE CONCERN IS, IT'S A MATTER OF PROCESS.
IT'S A MATTER, YOU'RE ASKING US TO VOTE ON A DECISION.
SO IT WASN'T UNTIL WE ASKED LAST WEEK TO SEE WHAT THE, TO LEARN WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF OUR VOTE.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE NO BECAUSE IT'S $240,000, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AT BUDGET TIME.
SO WE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, AGAIN, IT IS AS, AS, UM, COUNCILMAN KEAN MENTIONED, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IN DISCUSSION WITH THE UNIONS, IT'S FINE IF WE MAKE THE DECISION, BUT NOT A WEAK IN ADVANCE, HAVE THE IDEA SUDDENLY OCCUR WITHOUT THE BA THE BASIS FOR FACTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT ANY DECISION I MAKE, WHETHER IT'S JUNETEENTH, WHETHER IT'S, UM, ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS AGENDA OR OTHER AGENDAS, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE BACKUP IS.
IT'S JUST LIKE, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BACKUP IS FOR SCREE.
BUT LET ME JUST, BUT NOW WE'RE HERE, WE'RE HERE, AND, AND I, I REALLY FEEL BADLY THAT YOU WOULD TRY TO PRESENT IT AS IF WE DON'T CARE ABOUT JUNETEENTH.
I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHERE THE CONCERN WAS AND NOT THE FACT THAT WE OBJECT TO JUNE.
IF I COULD, JUST BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, LEMME SAY, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE, YOU KNOW, WE MADE FINANCIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS.
WE BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE JUNETEENTH, YOU KNOW, WHICH SHOULD BE PART OF THE LABOR NEGOTIATION.
SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY UP TILL, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, NOBODY BROUGHT IT UP.
AND VERY, IT WAS NOT A DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE AS A BOARD HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
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UM, EMPLOYEES STARTED CONTACTING ME.YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE THEM IN THE HALLS, WHEN I, WHEN I SEE THEM AT SUPERMARKETS, UH, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SAID, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON JUNETEENTH? UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE STATE.
I KNOW PEOPLE WHO WERE PRAISING COUNTY EXECUTIVE LATIMER FOR CLOSING DOWN THE COUNTY.
I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE PRAISING, UH, MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES SAYING, OH, THIS COMMUNITY'S DOING IT.
OH, I'M, I GUESS, BUT THIS IS NOTHING NEW.
BUT IT DOESN'T, I FEEL LIKE YOU GIVE THE IMPRESSION, PAUL, THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.
THAT WE DON'T FIND THIS NO, I'M, WHICH IS WHAT YOU, I'M JUST, LET'S LEMME JUST SAY THE PRINT.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENS, THIS, I MEAN, YOU PUT US, WE WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE IN A BAD SITUATION.
JUNETEENTH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, TO ALL OF US SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE, RIGHT? UM, THE CONCERN IS, AND WHAT, AND WHAT WE ARE ELECTED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RUN THE TOWN FISCALLY, RIGHT? WHAT'S CHALLENGING IS THAT THE COST OF IT, ME, I WILL PUT IT OUT ON THE TABLE.
I SUPPORT HAVING JUNETEENTH OFF.
I DO SUPPORT IT, IT'S ON THE TABLE.
THE CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS JUST THE COST.
AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROPERLY PLAN.
AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT PROPERLY PLAN THIS EVERY TIME WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON, AND I KEEP BRINGING UP A THING CALLED PROCESS AND WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T WAIT 10 DAYS BEFORE, BECAUSE NOW IT PUTS DISTRESS ON OUR COMMISSIONERS AND OUR EMPLOYEES AND EVERYTHING, JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS ARE AWARE THAT MAYBE THEIR SERVICES MAY NOT HAPPEN THAT DAY OR SOMETHING MAY NOT HAPPEN THAT DAY.
BUT WES, YES, WE SHOULD BE PART OF THE CELEBRATION OF THIS IMPORTANT PART OF AMERICAN HISTORY WITH REGARDS TO JUNETEENTH.
SO I'M GONNA PUT IT, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, WE'VE WORKED ALL WEEKEND, ALL OF US HAVE WORKED ALL WEEKEND TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
AND PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO THE WEEKEND, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN WE STARTED HAVING THESE DISCUSS DISCUSSIONS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR.
I, I, I KNOW YOU WANNA SOUND LIKE THE HERO IN ALL OF THIS.
I'M, BUT I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT DAY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.
SO, OKAY, SO THEN, SO THEN IF THERE'S A VOTE, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST GONNA PUT I KNOW, I KNOW.
I, SO THEN THE MAJORITY, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO TALK ABOUT IT SAYS JUNETEENTH IS A HOLIDAY, AND, BUT SEE, THIS IS YOUR BULLY TAX.
NO, YOU SEE, AND THIS IS WHAT IT WAS ALSO WITH SCREE, RIGHT? IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THE INFORMATION UP FRONT.
YOU SAID WE, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE, UH, YEAR STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
YOU WERE TOTALLY DISINTERESTED DURING THAT DISCUSSION.
I I COULD TELL BECAUSE I, FIRST OF ALL, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT HIM.
DON'T SAY I'M, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT HIM.
I RECALL IT DISTINCTLY THAT YOU WERE ON YOUR PHONE DOING WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING.
AND THE FOUR OF US, AND THE FOUR OF US, AS ARETHA FRANKLIN SAID, I'M GONNA STOP PLAYING RESPECT.
AND THE, AND THE FOURTH OF US THERE, IT'S VERY CLEVER.
THE FOUR OF US WERE SAYING, WE WANT THIS TO BE PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS AND TO WORK IT OUT.
NOW, I'M NOT GONNA DISCUSS WHAT CAME BACK TO US.
AT LEAST ONE UNION HAD SAID TO OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE HERE.
BUT OUR UNIONS GET THE, UH, C S E A AND TEAMSTERS GET 13 AND A HALF, UH, HOLIDAYS CURRENTLY, PLUS THREE PERSONAL DAYS.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 17, UH, UH, FIVE AND SEVEN PERSONAL DAYS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE A UNION.
SO THAT GETS TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 18 AND 20, 20 DAYS.
THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD NEGOTIATIONS, WE TOOK A HOLIDAY, I THINK IT WAS LINCOLN'S BIRTHDAY AND WASHINGTON'S BIRTHDAY.
AND WE TURNED THAT INTO WHAT WE CONSIDERED TO BE A FLOATING HOLIDAY, BUT WE CALLED IT A PERSONAL DAY TO GIVE THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY IN USING IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE WORKED OUT BY THIS YEAR.
UH, BUT I CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE QUESTIONING EVERY DOLLAR.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET TOLD THAT, UH, IT'S GOING TO COST $240,000 TO GIVE THAT TIME OFF WITHOUT SAYING, THAT'S OUR FLOATING, THAT'S THE FLOATING HOLIDAY, AND WE'LL TAKE AWAY THE FLOATING HOLIDAY PERHAPS, AND MAKE THAT JUNETEENTH A PERMANENT HOLIDAY INSTEAD OF A FLOATING ONE.
THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ACCORDING TO OUR LE OUR, UH, LABOR COUNCIL.
IF WE JUST GIVE IT AWAY WITHOUT ANY, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE UNIONS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING HERE ABOUT HAVING AN I M A WITH THE UNIONS, LIKE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE WITH THE UNIONS.
WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT UNIONS, TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UH, WITH
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THEIR, WITH WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE.AND WE HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO IS ENTITLED, IF, IF YOU GIVE OFF THE DAY TO EVERY POLICE OFFICER ON THE FORCE GETTING EIGHT HOURS ADDITIONAL ADD OF TIME OFF GIVEN TO THEM, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA MAKE UP THAT TIME SO THAT WE HAVE SHIPS, YOU KNOW, UH, MINIMUM SHIPS.
THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WITH SCREE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE 50,000 OR LESS WITH IF WITH, UH, EMERGENCY TAX RELIEF, UH, PROPERTY, UH, GETTING, GETTING, UH, RELIEF FROM THEIR INCREASE IN RENT.
BUT IT, IT KEEPS BEING A, WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE SET UP THE, A CRISIS TO OCCUR.
YOU COME ALONG, GIVE US THE SOLUTION TO THE CRISIS.
AND INSTEAD OF IT BEING, OH, WHY DIDN'T YOU THINK OF THIS BEFORE? IT'S OKAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SOLVE THE CRISIS.
BUT WE REALLY, I SAID IT BEFORE, HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, TOWN BOARD HAS GOT TO MAKE DATA-DRIVEN DECISION MAKING.
AND YES, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS EMOTION TO THIS.
AND I FULLY SUPPORT HAVING, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, AND AS FOUR OF US SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, HAVING JUNETEENTH IN THE NEXT CONTRACT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.
SO, YES, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SET THIS UP AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA SPIN IT ANY WAY YOU WANT TO SPIN IT.
UH, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THE DATA.
'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T CHECK TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST IN ADVANCE OF YOU SAYING, LET'S GIVE THE DAY OFF.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ELLEN WHO ASKED, WELL, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? I AGREED.
LET'S FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
YOU WERE SHOCKED AT THE NUMBER.
WELL, DON'T TALK, DON'T MAKE UP STATEMENTS ABOUT ME.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO DECIDE, UM, ARE WE LETTING THE DAY EMPLOYEES OFF OR, OR NOT.
KEN, YOU SAID YOU WERE FOR IT AND GINA'S FOR IT.
ARE WE GOING HAVE A VOTE? THEN? WE HAVE, THEN WE HAVE THREE VOTES.
IS THIS, IS THIS CON IS THIS A MOTION? IS THAT A MOTION PROCESS? EXCUSE ME.
CAN I JUST GET YOUR PROCESS PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO LET EMPLOYEES OFF ON JUNETEENTH.
SO, UH, WE, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE IN THIS WAY.
UH, RICH COULD DECIDE IS THAT, BUT WE, IS THAT THE PROPER PROCESS? WE, THE, THE PROCESS, WE, WE HAVEN'T, SHOULD THE CLERK BE TAKING? WELL, THIS IS NOT, UH, I'M JUST, WE COULD DO, WE COULD DO IT TOMORROW AT A FORMAL MEETING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE.
WE WANT TO, RICH HAS TO KNOW FOR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DISCUSS PROCESS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA DO THIS VOTE.
THIS VOTE IS LEGAL AND IT'S CORRECT.
IT'S BASICALLY A SENSE OF THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA ASK THE QUESTION.
SO ARE YOU STATING THAT GIVE THE DAY OFF? NO, I M A NO DISCUSSION.
I'M SAYING JUST GIVE THE DAY OFF, MAKE AND ADD IT TO THEIR 16 AND A HALF DAYS.
SO WOULD THE PROCESS BE THAT YOU THEN SEND MY DEPARTMENT BACK WITH POTENTIALLY TO HELP OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO DRAFT AGREEMENTS FOR ALL THREE UNIONS TO SIGN, RIGHT.
STATING THAT THE DAY WOULD BE FOR ONE YEAR, JUNE 19TH, 2023 ONLY.
AND THAT IT WON'T HOLD US TO ANY OTHER FUTURE DATES, ESSENTIALLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT WON'T BE RIGHT, BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NEGOTIATING.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DOES THAT WORK? 'CAUSE I SPOKE, I SPOKE TO JARED ROSENBERG, UM, I, I HAD CONTACTED HIM.
HE'S THE HEAD OF THE C S E A AND HE SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING, UM, UH, TO AGREE THAT IF WE DID SOMETHING FOR THIS YEAR, IT WOULD NOT BE BINDING ON THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE THE UNION UNIVERS.
BUT THAT'S THE ONE UNION, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION.
WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE UNIONS.
BUT WHAT, AS SOON AS YOU GIVE OFF ONE UNION, THE POLICE ARE ENTITLED TO NO, BUT I'M SAYING RIGHT.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I, I'M, I'M, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GONNA GET MORE GOODWILL FROM OUR EMPLOYEES.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE JUST, SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY EMBARRASSING FOR THE TOWN.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS NOW.
I JUST WANNA KNOW THE PROCESS, THE MOVE TO MOVE THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF MANAGING THE TOWN EMPLOYEES.
SO JOE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? THAT'S ALL I WANNA ASK.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS? IT REALLY DOES DEPEND WHAT THE SUPERVISOR IS BRINGING TO A MOTION.
IF IT'S TO GIVE THE DAY OFF, WHY WOULD YOU? THE THING IS, I, MY GOAL IS TO HAVE EMPLOYEES OFF ON JUNETEENTH TO MAKE IT A HOLIDAY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SAY TO, WE SHOULD HAVE THE, WE SHOULD SAY TO THE UNIONS, WE WILL OFFER IT IF THEY WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED, UM, IN THE FUTURE, UH, UNION NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA
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BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.AND IT BASICALLY IS SORT OF LIKE, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PRE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THE UNIONS WOULD GO ALONG WITH, THAT.
AND IF THEY ALL SIGN IT, THEN, UH, THEN WE, IF THEY DON'T SIGN IT THEN, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR ONE EXTRA HOLIDAY NEXT YEAR.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LEAST THEN, THEN THE TOWN BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO.
UM, THEN WE COULD SAY, AT LEAST WE MADE THE EFFORT, WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU ONE EXTRA HOLIDAY THIS YEAR.
SO IF TWO UNIONS AGREE AND ONE DOESN'T, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE, WELL, THE, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE, THAT BELONG TO THOSE TWO UNIONS OFF.
BUT THE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN THE UNION THAT DON'T, THAT DOESN'T AGREE WILL HAVE TO WORK.
AND HOW DOES THAT WORK AGAIN, WHY? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY RUSHED.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WORK THIS OUT.
'CAUSE IT'S OUR, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE KNOW WHAT OUR LABOR COUNCIL SAID, ONE UNION SAID.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD AGREE THAT WITH THAT STATEMENT.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT LEAST ONE UNIT SAYS WE WANT IT, AND WE DON'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE, WE JUST WANT IT ADDED IT TO OUR, OUR, UH, 13 AND A HALF OF HOLIDAYS ALREADY, PLUS THE THREE PERSONAL DAYS.
WELL SEE THE, ONE OF THE PERSONAL DAYS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FLOATING HOLIDAY.
AND WE, WE HAVE SINCE GOTTEN A, UH, SOME KIND OF, SOMEBODY WROTE TO US, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO, AND SAID, YOU SHOULD NEVER CHANGE A HOLIDAY TO A PERSONAL DAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE UNION MEMBERS TO HAVE IT A PERSONAL DAY.
'CAUSE IT GIVES 'EM GREATER FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THERE'S A TENDENCY TO FORGET THAT IT'S A HOLIDAY, UH, TO, THAT YOU COULD USE IT FOR.
AND THAT'S, I THINK WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DISCUSS, HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE UNIONS.
YOU KNOW, UNIONS ARE RE REASONABLE PEOPLE, RIGHT? AND, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THE TOWN IS GONNA BE, UH, WHEN WE NEGOTIATE OUR CONTRACTS, WE'RE GONNA DECIDE WHAT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHILE WE, WHAT THE TOWN COULD AFFORD.
SO THE THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS, THE, THE VACATION DAYS, THE, UM, THE SICK LEAVE, THE PERSONAL TIME, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASES, UM, UH, LONGEVITY.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES THAT COME DOWN.
AND WE LOOK AT THE DOLLAR, THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND WE SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE COULD AFFORD, OR THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T AFFORD.
SO THIS WOULD BE INCLUDED, UM, IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS IN, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT IF WE'RE GOING INTO A LABOR NEGOTIATIONS WHERE THE EMPLOYEES ARE FEELING GOOD ABOUT THE TOWN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET A, HAVE A BETTER, UH, COOPERATIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA FEEL GOOD THAT WE GAVE THEM A DAY OFF, THAT THE MORALE IS GONNA BE BETTER.
AND THEN YOU, SOMETIMES IT MAY COST YOU A LITTLE BIT UPFRONT, BUT YOU GET MORE, UH, BY, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING NICE TO YOUR EMPLOYEES, WORKING WITH THEM, UH, SHOWING EMPATHY, SHOWING THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM.
YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK WHEN WE HAD THE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BREAKFAST PEOPLE WERE SO EXCITED AND PEOPLE WERE SO THRILLED AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T LIKE A REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN BASICALLY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST FELT APPRECIATED.
AND I, I FELT THEY FELT PROUD THAT THEY WERE PART OF THE TOWN.
I FEEL THAT IF, UM, IF WE SAY NO, UH, TO OUR EMPLOYEES, WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING, YES, YOU'VE GOT THE DAY OFF, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SO MANY DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEES, AND IF PEOPLE ARE DISGRUNTLED, THEY'RE GOING TO WORK LESS HARD.
AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY GREENBERG IS SUCH A GREAT PLACE, BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO BEND OVER BACKWARDS, WHO WORK REALLY HARD, WHO GO THE EXTRA MILE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GET SO FEW COMPLAINTS FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT THE EMPLOYEES GIVE.
SO I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT THIS IS SORT OF LIKE A LITTLE GESTURE THAT WILL ENABLE US TO HAVE DO EVEN BETTER, UH, WHEN WE HAVE THE LABOR, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENTS.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA, ACTUALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA, I, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT UP BY GIVING PEOPLE MORE VALUE FOR THEIR TAX DOLLARS.
AND THAT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS DOING IT.
WHEN GEORGE LATIMER GAVE THE EMPLOYEES OFF LAST YEAR, HE WAS LIKE THE FIRST ONE TO DO IT.
HE DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST LOOKING AT THE DOLLARS.
HE'S DOING IT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO SHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCERN WHEN HE GAVE PEOPLE, UM, UH, FREE ACCESS TO THE POOL THAT WAS COSTLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, MADE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE COUNTY.
OR WHEN HE SAID, WHEN GEORGE LATIMER SAID, YOU HAVE THE BUSES FOR FREE, THAT'S COSTLY.
THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT COUNTY GOVERNMENT BECAUSE YES, YES, APPROACH, IT COST MONEY.
BUT BEFORE ANY OF THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE, IT WAS, IT, IT WAS RESEARCH TO SEE IF THE COUNTY COULD AFFORD TO
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ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS BEFORE OFFERING IT.SO THE WAS ALSO A MATTER OF PROCESS.
IT WASN'T JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE 10 DAYS BEFORE.
WELL, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE USING AN EXAMPLE AS AGAIN, AS TO SAY THAT THEY DID IT AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT.
AND THAT, THAT IMPLICATION IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DISTRESSING BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO DO OUR JOBS AND WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR EVERYBODY, ALL THE EMPLOYEES, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE UNIONS, AND THE RESPECT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NO ONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THAT.
SO, SO BASICALLY, WHAT'S THE DECISION THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO? I'M ASKING THE BOARD, ARE YOU MAKING, FIRST OF ALL, WOULD YOU GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THE ATTORNEY AND MAKE A CLEAR MOTION AND THEN WE CAN GO FORWARD? OKAY? SO, UH, JOE, SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WOULD YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION IN TERMS OF WORDING THAT YOU COULD, I MEAN, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'RE THE ONE MOVING TO MAKE THE MOTION, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO INTRODUCE BUSINESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POTENTIAL PROCESSING OF AGREEMENTS WITH ALL THREE UNIONS FOR JUNE 19TH, 2023, ONLY WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF FUTURE JUNETEENTH.
AND IF YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AGREEMENTS, THEN THEY'RE PROCESSED.
BUT I LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, IT'S A POTENTIAL TWO ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, ONE'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WITH THE LAST MOMENT, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES AND HAVE IT FILLED OUT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY BE DIFFICULT, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU MIGHT BE SAYING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD ONLY BE ONLY OCCUR IF ALL THREE UNIONS AGREE.
I DON'T SEE HOW YOU PROCEED WITH ONE OR TWO.
OR IF IT'S ONLY ONE OR TWO, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE OTHERS ARE THEN ENTITLED TO IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD A UNION BASICALLY SAY, UM, I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, AGREE TO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING THEM ONE HOLIDAY RIGHT NOW.
AND IF THEY SAY NO, THEN AT LEAST WE MADE THE, THE EFFORT.
IF ONE UNION SAYS NO, THAT'S THEN IF THE, IF IT'S THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO SAY IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN IT'S THE UNION'S STOPPING IT RATHER THAN YOU STOP STOPPING IT RATHER THAN US.
BUT AT LEAST WE'RE MAY, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT IF, UM, ALL, ALL THREE UNIONS AGREE THAT IT'S WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND TO FUTURE LABOR NEGOTIATIONS, BECAUSE I, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO THE WORDING IN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT WORDING IN THE AGREEMENT.
AND HOW AND WHEN WOULD WE PASS THESE? I WAS GONNA SAY MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BE TOMORROW NIGHT, ESSENTIALLY.
UNLESS THERE WAS A SPECIAL MEETING IN IT, WE WOULD REACH OUT TO ALL THE UNIONS AND WOULD SAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WILL, WILL YOU SIGN THIS? OR, OR NOT? WELL, IT'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON.
THE UNIONS, WOULD THEY, WOULD THEY HAVE TO ALL VOTE ON IT? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEIR INTERNAL PROCESS, RIGHT, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR UNIONS RATIFY IT? NO, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A CONTRACT.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHEN THE UNIONS OFFICIALLY WHAT WE SAID.
WHAT IF WE SAID, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE.
CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE DECLARE THAT, UM, IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE THEIR FLOATING HOLIDAY FOR JUNETEENTH, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT? WELL, THEY HAVE THAT, RIGHT? YES, THEY HAVE THAT, RIGHT? IF THEY STILL HAVE THEIR FLOATING HOLIDAY, THEY COULD USE IT AS LONG AS, I GUESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEIR DEPARTMENT HEAD AND ENSURE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULED MEETINGS OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION THAT THEY COULD USE THEIR FLOATING HOLIDAY.
AND WHAT IF THEY, WELL, THE, THEIR FLOATING HOLIDAY, I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF THEY'RE OUT OF THE THREE PERSONAL DAYS, ONE OF WHICH IS A FLOATING HOLIDAY, COULD WE THEN HAVE THEM BANK THAT HOLIDAY FOR NEXT YEAR? SO EVERYBODY HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE OFF IF THEY WISH TO, IF THEY'RE OUT OF, IF THEY'RE OUT A DAY, IF THEY'RE OUT.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE, THERE PRESENTS AN INTERNAL ISSUE AS WELL IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE DICTATES TO SAY THAT THEY NEED TO GIVE NOTICE OF TAKING THE HOLIDAY X AMOUNT OF DAYS, BUT IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE, I THINK WE CAN NOT REALLY JUST THE THINK WE CAN BYPASS THAT.
IT'S NOT ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES, IT'S SORT OF TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE I'M SAYING IF WE MAKE THIS SAY JUST A FLOATING, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAY AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BASICALLY SAY PEOPLE HAVE
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THE RIGHT TO TAKE OFF IF THEY WANT.PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME TO THE TAX OFFICE AND HALF, YOU KNOW, HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE OPEN.
AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT SENDING A MESSAGE THAT THE TOWN IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY, JUST LIKE THE FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE.
SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF, SO, SO TO ME IT'S REALLY SYMBOLISM.
SO YOU'RE MOVING AWAY, AWAY FROM IT'S THE MORALE OF THE EMPLOYEES, FRANKLY, MORALE OF EMPLOYEES.
I WOULD HOPE YOU'D BACK OFF IF YOUR POSITION IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN TRAINING, RIGHT? THAT COSTS MONEY.
BUT BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY, YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR.
I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE CAN GO THROUGH HERE.
THIS APPARENTLY BECAUSE OF SYMBOLISM UP WITH HALF, I NEVER SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST TRAINING.
I SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST CONFERENCES.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND THE TABLE, PAUL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
AND I HAVEN'T TAKEN, YOU KNOW, I GET A LOT, MOST OF MY INFORMATION, I'LL LOOK ON THE INTERNET AND I READ ALL THESE MAGAZINES AND PUBLICATIONS.
SO THAT'S, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONSTANTLY INSULT.
ALL I'M SAYING IS, I THINK THIS, IF, IF WE BASICALLY TOOK THE, UH, THE ATTITUDE WE SAY TO THE UNIONS THAT IF THE, IF A REPRESENTATIVE, THE UNION LEADER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT, OR, UH, IF THE PRESIDENT'S ON VACATION, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION, UM, UH, SAYS THAT WE WILL GIVE, MAKE IT A HOLIDAY ON JUNETEENTH, ON JUNETEENTH PROVIDED THAT, UH, THEY AGREE THAT IT'S WITHOUT PREJUDICE FUTURE, UH, FUTURE HOLIDAYS, AND WE'RE NEGOTIATE IN THE FUTURE, THEN I THINK THAT THIS IS A ONE SHOT DEAL.
SO MAYBE THAT, I MEAN, SO THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THREE UNION, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF THIS, I'M SORRY, WHAT? GET THE UNIONS RATIFIED TO, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I'M, SO I'M TRYING TO, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION AS TO THE PROCESS, RIGHT, OF ALL OF THIS.
SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS GO FORWARD? WHAT DOES THE UNIONS, WHAT UNIONS, WHAT CONVERSATIONS WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THE UNIONS? WHAT AGREEMENTS NEED TO BE C UH, CREATED OR DRAWN UP? WE NEED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS, WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
SO, SO I, LAST YEAR WE DID THE FLOATING HOLIDAY, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE UNION, THE CONTRACTS WERE BASICALLY VERY RECENTLY NEGOTIATED.
NOW WE'RE COMING UP ON THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE IN THE SAME POSITION NEXT YEAR AS WE WOULD BE THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE BEEN PASSED THE CONTRACTS NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE FLOATING HOLIDAY, EVEN ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TAKE, UH, JUNETEENTH OFF.
UH, BE I I I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GET ALL THREE UNIONS TO AGREE.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT, ANY MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE HEADS OF THE UNIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE RATIFIED.
AND IF THEY DON'T RATIFY IT, UH, WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? BECAUSE THE DAY IS ALREADY OFF, RIGHT? SO IT'S A COMPLICATION.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO WITH THAT SAME PASSION YOU HAVE NOW, PAUL, UM, UM, WE DO WORK WITH THE UNIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN SO THAT IT'S A, UH, IT'S AN ACTUAL HOLIDAY INSTEAD OF A, UM, A FLOATING HOLIDAY.
BUT FOR, FOR THIS YEAR, WHY CAN'T WE JUST SAY, UM, JUNETEENTH IS A HO HOLIDAY PROVIDED, UH, THE, THE, THE LEAD ONE, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UN ROUTE BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE ULTIMATELY THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY OF, UM, IMPOSING SAY ON THE TEAMSTER AS A CONTRACT, EVEN IF THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, IT'S OUR DECISION WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW WHAT TO GIVE MOST OF ALL THE UNIONS WITH EXCEPTION TO THE OF THE POLICE.
ISN'T THAT TRUE? WE COME TO TERMS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT.
WE'VE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER NOT NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT.
SO THE THING IS, UM, MY FAILING IS IF THE UNION LEADERSHIP, UH, BASICALLY WOULD SAY, LISTEN, WE WILL, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GIVING US THIS DAY OFF JUST FOR THIS YEAR.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HOLD WHAT YOU'RE DOING THIS YEAR, AS YOU KNOW, AGAINST THE TOWN.
WE'RE GOING TO ALL NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH DURING THE NEGOTIATION, YOU KNOW, PROCESS.
I FEEL THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WILL GET THE GOOD WOOL WILL, I THINK IT WILL MAKE THE EMPLOYEES AND THE UNIONS, UM, UH, FEEL GOOD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WORKING HERE OR MAKE THE RESIDENTS FEEL PROUD THAT THE TOWN IS
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DOING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IN THE COUNTRY.AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO, SO WHAT, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY IF PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LEADERS OF EACH OF THE UNION, ONE PERSON, REPRESENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT OR CANNOT BE DONE, I JUST, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION HOW THE UNIONS OPERATE.
WE, AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE SPECIAL COUNSEL THAT HAS ALREADY BEGUN NEGOTIATIONS WITH TWO OF THE UNIONS.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN A UNION AND WHO'S ALSO GIVEN AN US AN OPINION ABOUT HOW WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHEN A UNION AGREES TO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OR AGREEMENT OR CONTRACT THE PROCESS, IF THEY SIGN HOW, HOW THEY VOTE ON IT AND WHEN AT WHAT MEETING THEY VOTE ON IT.
AND ALSO, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACT LIKE, OH, THE UNIONS ARE OUR OPPONENTS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD NO WHAT'S NOT FEEL WHAT ANYONE IS SAYING.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PROPER PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
I'M THAT IF WE BASICALLY MADE THE GESTURE, I FEEL THE UNIONS ARE GONNA WORK WITH US BECAUSE WE'VE HAD EXCELLENT.
WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU JUST, UNIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US.
I MEAN, WE, WE DO HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE UNIONS.
I DON'T WANT TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THE TOWN BOARD DOESN'T HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE UNIONS.
THE, THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THE PROCESS.
HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? THIS IS WHAT I, I BELIEVE AM AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS? THIS IS ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR, DON'T, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP.
JOE CAN WORK ON THIS AND SEE IF YOU COULD, YOU, YOU GOT SORT OF LIKE THE SENSE AND SEE IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO ALL THREE UNION, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP AND, AND BASICALLY SEE IF WE COULD GET, UH, THEM TO AGREE AND THEN YOU COULD MAYBE PRESENT A, A RESOLUTION.
THEN THE BOARD COULD HOPEFULLY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE SOMETHING TOMORROW.
AND THEN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE COULD GET, IF YOU COULD
IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD AS A COLLECTIVE WHOLE IS TELLING ME TO DO, I'LL, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH SPECIAL COUNSEL TO TRY TO GET IT DONE.
YOU HAVE HEARD FROM SPECIAL COUNSEL AS WELL THOUGH, SO HE MAY BE A LITTLE SURPRISED IF I, WHEN I REACH OUT TO HIM TONIGHT.
BUT THAT'S AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD.
GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO, GOTTA DO.
SORRY JOE, I CAN'T, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WORK.
BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED THE INFORMATION.
WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, BUT, BUT I THINK I, I JUST WANT EMPLOYEES, COMMUNITY, EVERYONE LISTENING THAT THE TOWN BOARD, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SEE A HOLIDAY BE RECOGNIZED OFFICIALLY.
SO ARE WE DONE WITH THE, ANY OTHER AGENDA? REVIEW? REVIEW? I JUST HAD THAT ONE.
I JUST HAD THAT ONE THAT I MENTIONED ADDING TO THE MOMENT OF SILENCE.
SO WE'LL SEE IF THAT, UM, AND I GAVE YOU, UH, UH, KRISTA GAVE YOU SOME, THERE'S TWO PRESENTATIONS DATED THE, UH, I THINK I, WE SENT IT TO YOU.
WHEN DID SHE SEND IT TO ME? SHE SENT IT, UH, I THINK YESTERDAY.
IS IT ALL IN ONE EMAIL? IF YOU COULD HAVE HER SEND ME, I'M NOT SURE.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UH, I, I'LL I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT TO YOU.
ALRIGHT, JUST GIVE ME THE WORDING ONE'S.
DAVID DIO AND THEN THERE'S A, A HIGH SCHOOL, UM, UM, CHAMPION.
SHE HAS, YOU KNOW, THE NAMES AND THE INFORMATION.
AND HOW LONG WILL EACH BE? FIVE MINUTES.
DAVID D. DAVID IS RIGHT OVER HERE.
HOW LONG
DAVID IS, UH, WHY DON'T YOU BRING HIM UP AND TO DO SOME PAUL, IS IT YOUR INTERN? SO WHY DON'T YOU BRING HIM UP? DAVID'S DONE LIKE AN AMAZING JOB.
HE'S KNOCKED ON EVERY, UH, BUSINESS IN, UH, IN, UH, IN, UH, GREENBURG.
UH, HE HELPED SET UP THIS, HE HELPED GET, UH, PEOPLE TO JOIN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
HE, UH, CAME UP WITH A LIST OF, UM, VACANCIES, UH, YOU KNOW, UPDATED THE WEBSITE.
SO TELL US, DAVID, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF IN TWO MINUTES.
SO DAVID ALSO INCLUDE THAT YOU ARE, YOU WERE AN INTERN IN 2020 WHEN WE CONDUCTED OUR SUMMER INTERNSHIP PROGRAM VIA ZOOM.
SO JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF REALLY QUICKLY, MY NAME IS DAVID DAL.
I'M CURRENTLY A GRADUATING SENIOR AT SCARSDALE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND AS MS. VEAL MENTIONED, MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE SUMMER FRESHMAN YEAR.
SO I WAS AN INTERN HERE FOR THE SUMMER PROGRAM, AND CURRENTLY I'M AN INTERN AS PART OF GRAHAM.
SO IT'S AN UNPAID INTERNSHIP WITH MR. FINDER'S OFFICE.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING MAINLY ON, OH, THE SMALL BUSINESS DIRECTORY THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER UNDER MR. FINDER'S OFFICE AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH MR. DUQUE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
BUT I'VE ALSO JUST BEEN INVOLVED WITH VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, ODDS AND ENDS AROUND THE SUPERVISOR'S OFFICE.
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EDGEMONT OR SCARSDALE? SCARSDALE HIGH SCHOOL? SCARSDALE.UH, AND YOU WERE IN THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, THE SUMMER INTERNSHIP PROGRAM? YES.
UH, I'M NOT INTERNING THIS SUMMER WITH AS THE, AS PART OF THE SUMMER INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, BUT I DID DO THAT IN THE PAST.
AND, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER BECAUSE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE FROM OUT OF, YOU KNOW, GREENBERG AND WHEN I WAS THINKING OF, UH, DAVID, HE'S DONE LIKE SUCH AN AMAZING JOB.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE EXCEPTIONAL STUDENTS FROM OUT OF THE AREA, IT MOTIVATES, UH, GREENBERG RESIDENTS BECAUSE WHEN YOU WERE AN INTERN, I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UH, YOU SORT OF HELPED MAKE THAT PROGRAM A SUCCESS BY, UH, ALMOST LIKE LEADING, BEING LIKE A CO-LEADER OF THE EFFORT.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE VALUES, BUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK DAVID'S DONE IS JUST AMAZING.
HE'S COME UP WITH A LIST OF PERCENTAGE OF VACANCIES, UH, UH, HE'S UPDATED OUR, UH, WEBSITE.
SO THAT BRINGS, SO THAT BRINGS US TO MY QUESTION AND I JUST, I THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT LEND US TO YOU? BECAUSE THERE'S A PROJECT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET OFF THE GROUND AND WE JUST DON'T, WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT IN PUBLIC SO WHEN I SEND YOU AN EMAIL THAT, BUT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD, BUT THERE'S A PROJECT THAT THE, UM, COUNCIL'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT.
SO, UM, I'LL BE LOOKING, CONTACTING YOU TOMORROW.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY TO PAUL'S POINT ABOUT, UM, INTERNS FROM KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN, I CAN AT LEAST SPEAK FOR MYSELF WHEN I SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FROM GREENBURG OFFICIALLY IN, IN THE DISTRICT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S BEEN A PRETTY BIG PART OF MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, FOR FROM CHILDHOOD, RIGHT? PLACES LIKE CENTRAL AVENUE, THOSE ARE REALLY CLOSE BY, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS PART OF A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY TO US.
AND THERE'S PLACES THAT GO UNDER THE NAME SCARSDALE, THEY'RE TECHNICALLY UNDER GREENBERG, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL PART OF A BIGGER COMMUNITY.
LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION TOMORROW.
HE'S LIKE, OF THE PEOPLE I'VE EVER, OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE I'VE EVER WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW, I'D BE, YESTERDAY I WAS SAYING, I WONDER IF YOU'RE GONNA WIN A NOBEL PRIZE OR BE PRESIDENT OR GOVERNOR.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, I FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE BECAUSE I'M LIKE, UH, I'VE HAD, WE'VE WORKED WITH SO MANY INTERNS AND YOU ARE OVER WITHOUT EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SMARTEST, UH, PEOPLE WHO'VE I'VE, UH, I'VE WORKED WITH.
AND SO DILIGENT, YOU KNOW, PUTS IN HOURS MORE THAN THE SCHOOL REQUIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, WAS HERE DAY NIGHTS.
UH, HE DOES EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S JUST REALLY AN EXCEPTIONALLY UH, BRILLIANT, UH, YOUNG MAN WHO'S GOING TO DEFINITELY GO FAR.
SO, UH, I'LL PROBABLY PUT ON MY RESUME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION, DAVID
LOOKING FORWARD TO TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE PA GONNA BE PASSING TOMORROW THE, THE, UH, THE TEST LEAFBLOWER LAW? NO, WE ARE, WASN'T THAT ON THE AGENDA? IT'S NOT, IT DIDN'T POP UP WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT AGENDA CLEAR.
WELL, IS THERE A SUPPORT FOR THAT? THAT'S THE LAW THAT SAYS THAT THE PARTICULATES ARE TOXIC, BUT WE'LL ALLOW IT DURING MOST OF THE YEAR, RIGHT? THE MONTH, THE, THE C A C VERSION WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA VOTE ON WASN'T THAT THE IDEA HERE? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WERE GONNA VOTE ON THAT.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND WE HAVE TO SORT OF LIKE SAY YES OR NO.
RIGHT? BUT IT'S, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT ON THE 28TH.
WELL, THE, THE, IF THE TEST IS JUNE 15TH TO AUGUST 14TH AND WE VOTE ON, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T MAKE IT TO, TO THE AGENDA, COULD WE CHANGE IT? THE PROBLEM IS THAT, UM, UM, LEAVE START FALLING DOWN, UH, IN MIDAL IN MID-AUGUST.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO IT ON THE 28TH, YOU KNOW, WHICH WE COULD DO, UH, THEN IT SHOULD BE JUST A MONTH AND A HALF.
YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
YEAH, I, I PERSONALLY CAN'T SUPPORT THE WORDING OF THAT LOCAL LAW WITHOUT MODIFICATION.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, T TORY, THE CHAIR OF THE C A C CAME TO US AND SAID THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT OMISSION AND THAT'S THE CUTTING OF HEDGES.
AND SHE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT PERIOD IS WHEN YOU WOULD BE CUTTING HEDGES JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE SEASON TO DO IT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A GREEN THUMB, BUT I'LL TAKE A WORD FOR IT.
SO AT THE VERY LEAST, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE REASONS FOR DOING IT NEED, UM, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION.
THE OTHER THING IS, IF WE'RE GONNA PHOTO ON THE 28TH, YOU KNOW, MAY, UH, I SENT EVERYBODY PHOTOS OF, YOU KNOW, THE DIGITAL SIGN BOARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, SAID, YOU KNOW, MEMORIAL, YOU KNOW, HONORED, UH,
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THAT RIGHT.BUT THAT THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE WORDS.
BUT I THINK WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK WAS IT'S A, IT'S A SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT CAN BE DANGEROUS IF PEOPLE TRY TO READ IT WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING.
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, IT COULD BE THREE WORDS, THREE, FOUR WORDS, RIGHT? SO IT COULD BE OBEY LEAF LAW, BUT THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WHAT'S THE LEAF LAW? WHAT GOOD IS THAT SIGN? OR IT COULD SAY NO LEAF, NO LEAF BLOWERS, UH, UH, JUNE 28TH TO AUGUST 15TH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT A ZONING CODE, EVEN A SIMPLE ONE.
WELL, EVEN A SIMPLE ONE, LIKE RAISING THE, UH, DECIBEL LEVEL AND SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE LEAF BLOWER ON A LOT LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
HOW DO YOU GET THAT ON A SIGN? AND I, I PLAYED WITH THAT SIGN, I THINK IT WAS EIGHT CHARACTERS ACROSS IN THREE LINES.
AND THE BEST YOU COULD GET IS BASICALLY OBEY LEAF LAW OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
BUT THEN THERE'S, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A PHONE NUMBER.
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A PHONE NUMBER AS TO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THAT'S AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S DISTRACTING.
WHO'S GONNA WRITE DOWN A PHONE NUMBER, RIGHT? OR IT COULD SAY, UH, SUPPORT, UH, NOISE, YOU KNOW, COMPLY WITH NOISE.
UH, LAURA, OBJECTION, LIKE TODAY, I GOT AN EMAIL, I SENT IT TO THE BOARD.
UH, SOMEBODY SAID, UH, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF NOISE FROM A NEIGHBOR, SO I SENT IT TO THE POLICE CHIEF.
I, I SAID CALL THE POLICE AND I SENT COPIES.
BUT I'M SAYING IF WE BASICALLY LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A LAW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ENFORCING.
IF THE POLICE ARE ENFORCING IT BASED ON COMPLAINTS, THEN I SORT OF FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GET USED TO KNOWING WHAT TO DO.
SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF THEY SEE WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE DIGITAL BOARDS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DRIVING HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TIME.
YOU'VE IGNORED, I HAVE NO DOUBT, TWO OR THREE TIMES WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT REALLY, UH, IT'S, IT REALLY RESONATES.
YOU KNOW, I I'M TELLING YOU, IT, THE SCAR IS REALLY, AND I THINK PAUL, I THINK PAUL, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT THIS NEW LAW IS.
THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE SAFELY, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, THAT WE SAFELY EDUCATE EVERYONE ABOUT THE NEW LAW.
FRANCIS COUNCILMAN, SHE JUST MENTIONED THAT HE PLAYED WITH THE SIT, THE SIGN EIGHT CROSS THREE DOWN THREE LINES.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WHATEVER WE DO THAT IS SAFE.
NOW, I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
WE CAN PUT THE LAW, THE CORRECT LAW AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S CLEAN ON THE WEBSITE AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP DIRECTING, REMINDING PEOPLE, REMEMBER THERE IS A LEAF BALL, LIKE WE, THE BANNER THAT COMES UP, LEAF BALLING, BAND, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
AS SOON AS YOU COME UP INTO THE WEBSITE, YOU SEE THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT POPS UP.
IT'S EDUCATION AND IT'S SAFELY.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HAPPEN.
WE, THE SIGNAGE IS JUST, IT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE THEN WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IF, GOD FORBID THE PERSON'S LOOKING, READING AT THE SIGN AND THEN, AND THEN THEY HIT SOMEBODY.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT ON THERE.
I THINK THE EDUCATION OF USING OUR WEBSITE, YOU SENDING OUT YOUR NEWS AND BOARDS BLAST AND THE THINGS THAT WE DO, I THINK WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING A LOT.
YOU KNOW, WE DID GET AN EMAIL TODAY, UM, YESTERDAY OR MAYBE, UH, THERE'S A WAIVER OF A NOISE ORDINANCE FOR A PARTY AND THEN IT WAS WITHDRAWN.
UM, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? I'M SURE WE ALL GOT IT.
DIDN'T HAVE, IT WAS A WAIVER OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THEN IT WAS WITHDRAWN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T NEED TO PASS ON IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE DO THE WAIVER OR IF IT'S, UH, BUT IF THE, IF THAT'S THE SHEET THAT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, IT'S REALLY HAVING NO LIMIT TO THE NOISE THAT COULD BE MADE AT A PARTY.
'CAUSE IT'S TOTALLY WAIVING OUR LEAF LAW.
I MEAN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IN ITS ENTIRETY.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN A LOOK AT, BECAUSE I COULD UNDERSTAND MAYBE EXCEEDING THE DECIBEL LEVEL, THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE NEIGHBORS AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE.
UH, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME LIMIT THAT IS PLACED ON IT AND NOT JUST EXEMPTING SOMEBODY FROM THE ENTIRE NOISE ORDINANCE, UH, FOR FIVE HOURS ON A PARTICULAR NIGHT.
UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE WAIVER WAS NOT WITHDRAWN.
THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, THE, THE NOISE WAIVER DOES NOT HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD CLOSING OF A STREET DOES.
SO THERE WAS A SLIGHT MISUNDERSTANDING WITH THE INITIAL REQUEST OF THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS A STREET CLOSING.
AND WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS SIMPLY A NOISE WAIVER, THAT WAS THE, THE WITHDRAWAL
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OF THE COMMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, UM, WITHDRAWING THE DEGREE OF THE NOISE WAIVER.THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
ALRIGHT, SO SHE NEEDS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WELL, YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT.
WHAT I SAID WAS, IS THAT THEY EMAIL, I'M NOT DECIDING IT, I'M JUST SAYING THE EMAIL.
NOW YOU'RE INTERRUPTING THE EMAIL WAS WE WERE TOLD TO IGNORE THE EMAIL.
YOU'RE MISINTERPRETING, I I'M NOT MISINTERPRETING SURE.
WOULD YOU STOP INTERRUPTING ME? YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T WANNA BE INTERPRETED EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT YOUR MEETING.
SO MY POINT IS THAT IF YOU ARE APPROVING THAT, YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO EXEMPT SOMEBODY ENTIRELY FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE SO THEY CAN BLAST AT 150 DECIBELS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY COULD DO UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
I THINK IF YOU, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A WAIVER, UM, THEN THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF A LIMITATION THAT THEN COULD BE ENFORCED.
BECAUSE ONCE THEY GET THE WAIVER, THERE'S NOTHING THE POLICE CAN DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WAIVER.
WHOEVER IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA SAY IT'S YOU.
I JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT.
AND IT CAME TO US AND THEN IT WAS SAID TO IGNORE THE EMAIL.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED.
THE CLERK'S OFFICE, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC, THOSE LISTENING AND VIEWING THE CLERK'S OFFICE WORKS IN COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON NOISE WAIVERS.
UM, THEY RECEIVE THE, A COPY OF THE NOISE WAIVER AND SO THEY KNOW WHERE THE EVENT IS TAKING PLACE.
AND IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, UM, IS, IS INFORMED AND AWARE OF THE EVENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
WE HAVE HAD, WE HAVE HAD NO ISSUES OR PROBLEMS, UM, WITH OUR NOISE WAIVERS, WITH EVENTS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE HELD, BLOCK PARTIES, BACKYARD PARTIES.
AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS, IS INFORMED AND THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, MONITOR THE SITUATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO READ ANYMORE INTO THIS MATTER.
UH, THERE IS NO CONTRACT APPARENTLY WITH TYLER FOR $400,000.
SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON A TYLER APPLICATION.
WE ALSO NEED THE, I SPOKE TO EDIE ABOUT THIS.
UH, WE ALSO NEED, SHE THOUGHT THAT FIRST YOU GET THE APPROVAL AND THEN YOU COME UP WITH THE CONTRACT.
UM, AND ALSO IN THE RESOLUTION ITSELF, IT SHOULD GO THROUGH WHAT THE BID PROCESS WAS.
APPARENTLY SHE SENT IT OUT TO MANY COMPANIES AND ONLY TYLER WAS THE ONE THAT RESPONDED.
SO THAT WE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DOCUMENTATION OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE ASKED WHY ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON, ON TYLER TECHNOLOGIES? WASN'T TY WHAT, WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY, WHEN YEARS AGO.
WE DID A BID AND TYLER GOT TYLER WON.
UM, BUT BASICALLY, UM, TYLER, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR OWN LITTLE PROCESS WHERE, AND A PROCEDURE.
SO THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES ABLE TO BID ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON SUBSEQUENT CONTRACTS BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR, UH, SOFTWARE.
IS, IS IT, ISN'T THAT SORT OF ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH WELL THAT'S, THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON, WHICH IS NO, BUT I'M SAYING WHAT I, WHAT I USUALLY CHECK FOR, BUT THE CHECK IS THAT ON THIS, DID THEY SEND IT OUT TO AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF COMPANIES AND HOW AND LET THEM DECIDE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA HAVE TO OVERBID ON THIS THING 'CAUSE I HAVE TO LEARN WHAT THEIR SYSTEM IS.
WHEREAS TYLER ALREADY KNOWS IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH AROUND THAT.
WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT WHEN WE'RE GIVING THE INITIAL BIDS.
UH, UH, THE MAIN THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT THERE WAS A BID PROCESS.
UH, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS WHY WE PICKED TYLER AND BE IT THE, THE ONLY ONE THAT RESPONDED, APPARENTLY THE PROPOSAL CAME BACK AT 380,000.
WE'RE SAYING NOT TO EXCEED 400,000, UH, $20,000 IS, IS MONEY, RIGHT? ARE WE, UH, WE BASICALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHEN WE SAY WE'RE VOTING ON A CONTRACT, WE NEED THE CONTRACT.
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LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I FEEL THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A VERY VALID, YOU KNOW, POINT.SO WE'VE BEEN DOING, I'M SORRY, WHAT'D YOU SAY, PAUL? NO, I, I FEEL IT'S VERY
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VALID.
SO BASICALLY, UM, WE BA WE, WE STARTED YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THE REASSESSMENT DOING A BIT, HAVING A BIDDING PROCESS, WHICH WAS UP AND UP AND PEOPLE, UM, UH, SCRUTINIZED THE BIDDING PROCESS.
WE SELECTED TYLER, THEN TYLER BASICALLY GOT THE AWARD.
UM, AND TO CONTINUE THE, AND EVERY, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX YEARS, UM, WE HAVE TO, UM, RENEW THE CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY TO DO REASSESSMENT.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO DO IT EARLIER BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
SO IT'S BEING DONE EARLIER THAN THE FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE, UM, HAVE REACHED OUT TO OTHER COMP, OTHER COMPANIES BESIDES TYLER AND SEEN NO, I'M JUST SAYING NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M SAYING THAT'S THE NO SEE, WITHOUT RIGHT NOW, UH, TYLER WILL GET THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY'RE USING THE METHODOLOGY THAT NO, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACT.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT COMPANY IF YOU'RE DOING ANOTHER REASSESSMENT.
HOWEVER, IT'S PROBABLY VERY DIFFICULT TO DO SO, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH PROGRAMMING AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN SHEEN AND COUNCILMAN JONES ARE SAYING TO SEE WHAT OTHER BIDS CAME OUT.
IF OTHER PEOPLE MAYBE HAVE THAT SORT OF TECHNOLOGY AND ARE ABLE TO DO SO.
BUT TECHNICALLY YOU CAN MOVE FROM ONE COMPANY TO ANOTHER IF YOU'D LIKE.
PERSONALLY, I, I'VE WORKED WITH TYLER IN THE PAST, I KNOW THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIDDING PROCESS EXISTS AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER PLACES AS WELL.
LET ME, YEAH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENTIAL IS BETWEEN THE FIRST CONTRACT AND THE SECOND.
YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY INCREASED THEIR PRICES? IF WE ALREADY HAVE THE SOFTWARE, IF THAT, WHAT IS, AND AND IF IT IS A LARGE INCREASE, WHY, HOW DO THEY SUBSTANTIATE THAT INCREASE IF IT'S NOT GREAT, BUT AT LEAST KNOWING? YEAH, I, YEAH, THAT'S, I BELIEVE THE FIRST CONTRACT WAS WELL IN EXCESS OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME GREENBURG HAD A REASSESSMENT AND SOMETHING LIKE 50 OR 60 YEARS.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DATA THAT WASN'T THERE AND IT NEEDED TO BE COLLECTED.
AND NOW WE'RE SEVEN YEARS LATER, EIGHT YEARS LATER, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE DATA AND IT'S JUST AMENDING WHAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY.
SO IT SHOULD BE, WELL LESS THAN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.
BUT WE CAN COLLECT THAT TO, TO SHOW YOU TOO.
BUT LOOK, I'M SORT OF WONDERING EVEN GOING FORWARD IF, IF WE SAID, LISTEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'VE USED THE SOFTWARE IN THE FUTURE TOWN IS OPEN, UH, TO FINDING OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW TO DO AN UPDATED REASSESSMENT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A COMPANY THAT WOULD SAY, OH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE $400,000 WITH EVERYTHING AND DIFFERENT SOFTWARE, WE COULD DO IT FOR $220,000.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN TYLER WILL KNOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A GUARANTEED LOCK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES BIDDING THAT NOBODY IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA GET IT.
SO I'M SAYING IF THEY FEEL THERE'S REAL CON IF THERE'S WAYS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE LIKE REAL COMPETITION, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT GET A BETTER, A BETTER DEAL.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, BUT THE ONLY WAY YOU KNOW THAT IS WHEN YOU PUT THE BID OUT ON THE STREET.
YEAH, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S THE WAY THE THE BIDS ARE, ARE WORD WAIT, THE WAY THE SCOPE OF WORK IS WRITTEN.
SO UNTIL WE CHANGE, UNTIL WE UPDATE THE SCOPE OF WORK.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE KNOW, WE KNOW IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY, YOU CAN, I MEAN, EDIE CAN IDENTIFY, THE ASSESSOR CAN IDENTIFY OTHER, OTHER, UM, VENDORS THAT CAN DO THE WORK, BUT SHE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS CLEAN ENOUGH AND THAT IT'S OPEN ENOUGH.
IT'S NOT JUST SPECIFIC JUST TO TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
LIKE IF THE, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY BIDDERS, MAYBE THE SCOPE OF WORK IS JUST TOO TAILORED TO TYLER AND WHAT TYLER CAN BRING TO THE TABLE AS, AS OPPOSED TO MAKING SURE THAT IT'S MORE BROADER.
SO WE CAN DO, GET THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO DO THE ASSESSMENT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THE SCOPE OF WORK NEEDS JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEANED.
UM, I, I ALSO, UM, ON TB ONE, THE PILOT FOR REGENERON, IT'S JUST A LOT TO HAVE ABSORBED.
SO IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A, A BIT OF THE PILOT FOR REGENERON FOR PARCELS A, B, C, AND D, UM, UH, SHOULD WE, YES.
IF, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE MAYBE, UM, MORE OF A SUMMARY AS OPPOSED TO
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ALL THE LEGALESE, I CAN GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE TOMORROW NIGHT BEFORE THE VOTE.BUT I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE, UM, THIS SHOULD BE REALLY, I WONDER IF EDIE AT THE BOARD MEETING BEFORE COULD JUST SAY, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU LIKE AN UPDATE ON REGENERON.
I MEAN IT'S OBVIOUSLY WE'RE BENEFITING TREMENDOUSLY FROM REGENERON, YOU KNOW.
I JUST WOULD, I DON'T WANNA VOTE BLINDLY WITHOUT HAVING MORE INFORMATION.
JUST WE, IT'S A RECURRING THEME TONIGHT.
SO, UM, SO THE, THE ATTORNEY HAS, HAS AGREED TO DO A SUMMARY AND GET IT TO US EARLY ENOUGH IN THE DAY.
I'M WONDERING AFTER HE WRITES THE LETTERS TO THE UNIONS,
BUT SHOULD, SHOULD WE HAVE, UM, UH, MAYBE DISCUSS LIKE A, A LITTLE PRESENTATION FROM THE ASSESSOR IN ADDITION AT THE, AT THE MEETING BEFORE? BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT ITEM AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SHOULD, NO ONE'S DISAGREEING WITH YOU PAUL.
WE JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PILOT SAYS.
IN ADDITION, THAT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA.
SO MAYBE EITHER YOU OR EDIE COULD JUST DO A LITTLE PRESENTATION LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE MINUTES.
AND OF COURSE IT'S MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD GET IF WE GOT NOTHING.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GETTING A GOOD DEAL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
AND SO IT'S A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES.
AND THE QUESTION IS, UM, AND I I, I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO HER QUITE A BIT DURING THIS PROCESS.
UH, ARE WE GETTING A GOOD DEAL? OKAY.
ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED? REVIEWED QUESTION.
WELL, ONCE, TWICE PAUL, WELL C TWO IS COMING OFF.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAD, THAT'S COMING OFF.
WE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING AND WE VOTED ON IT.
ON THE NEWEST VERSION IT'S OFF.
THERE'S AN OLDER VERSION OF THE AGENDA.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT ON THIS ONE.
SO THE DATE HAS ALREADY PASSED.
SO PAUL, ANY OTHER, DO YOU HAVE? NO, THAT'S IT.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION PLEASE.
I'M LI
IT WON'T BE COMING BACK, BUT WE'LL BE HERE TOMORROW.
WE WILL BE HERE TOMORROW THOUGH AS I THOUGHT WE HEAD OFF.