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BOARD WORK SESSION.IT'S FIVE, UH, 19 AND, UH, THIS IS THE OPEN PORTION OF THE MEETING.
AND THE FIRST ITEM IS JUNE 27TH, 2020, JUNE 27TH.
AND THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE PRESENTATION.
DO SHE'LL BE ON ZOOM LATER ON? SHE'S RUNNING LATE.
YEAH, SHE'S, SO, I WAS TOLD THAT ERIN IS GONNA BE DOING SLIDES ON ZOOM.
I CAN'T SEE THEM, SO I GUESS I'M GONNA LOOK AT, AT MY DESK OR WAITING.
HE'LL, UH, I SEE HE'S ON NOW TOO, SO HE'LL COME IN AND DO THE DEEDED
SO I'LL MAKE SURE I'M GETTING HI LESLIE.
AND THERE'S AARON RIGHT ON CUE.
ALRIGHT, SO GOOD EVENING SUPERVISOR, FINER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD RECORDING IN PROGRESS.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT TONIGHT.
UM, KIND OF OUR INITIAL PROGRESS REPORT FROM THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE.
THE, UM, COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY SINCE, AND WE HAVE SOME, UH, IDEAS TO PROPOSE.
UM, I WOULD ASK IF YOU COULD HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS TILL THE END SO WE CAN GET THROUGH IT QUICKLY.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS RAISED, MAYBE NOT.
UM, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY THE MICROPHONE CLOSES.
I'M NOT PARTICULARLY COMFORTABLE DOING PRESENTATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE CLICKER, BUT ERIN'S GONNA TRY TO DO IT REMOTELY.
THERE ARE, UH, NINE MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD THAT ARE, UH, VOLUNTEERS.
TWO OF THOSE ARE ALSO ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
ONE IS ON THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE TWO STAFF LIAISONS WHO'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US.
OUR MISSION IS TO TRY TO HELP THE TOWN.
IDEALLY, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HELP ANTICIPATE AND BE PROACTIVE IN THE AREA OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, HELPING TO DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES, REDUCING BARRIERS AND HELPING STREAMLINE IT, BUT ALSO WORKING TO ENSURE THAT WE MAINTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AND THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN.
SO TO THE EXTENT WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOWN, WE HOPE THAT WE WILL BE A USEFUL COMMITTEE.
UM, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, ENERGY TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING AND MORPHING AND THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE, A BIG PUSH RIGHT NOW TO GET MORE AND MORE OF IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT'S COMING AND WE'D LIKE TO BE AS PREPARED AS WE CAN.
SOME THINGS ARE ADDRESSED IN THE CURRENT CODE, MANY ARE NOT.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO CLARIFY AND WHAT IS GONNA BE ALLOWED, WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED, WHERE MIGHT IT BE ALLOWED, HOW MIGHT IT BE ALLOWED.
AS I SAID, STREAMLINE THE APPROVAL PROCESS TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH A FRAMEWORK FOR MAKING DECISIONS TO HELP GUIDE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S UH, POSSIBLE, TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS CONFIDENCE IN HOW THE DECISIONS ARE MADE, AND ALSO TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
WHEN WE FIRST SAT DOWN AND DISCUSSED WHAT IS SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT WAS A VERY BROAD SPECTRUM.
SO WE DECIDED WE WERE GONNA FOCUS ON A HANDFUL OF THINGS, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW.
FIRST OF ALL, SOLAR SECOND, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING, WHICH IS SOMETHING I WAS ABOUT TO SAY ABOUT, TO EXPLODE, BUT HOPEFULLY IT WON'T.
BUT, UH, IT'S COMING FAST AND FURIOUS.
YOU MIGHT WANNA USE A DIFFERENT, ALTHOUGH FAST AND FURIOUS USES GAS POWERED CARS, UM, AS AS GAS CARS ARE PHASED OUT, IT'S GONNA BECOME A MUCH BIGGER THING.
OBVIOUSLY, WIND POWER MAYBE DOESN'T SEEM APPLICABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH TECHNOLOGY CHANGING, PERHAPS IT WILL BE FUEL CELLS.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE APPLICATIONS ALREADY AND OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT MIGHT BE ON THE WAY.
AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN HELP ANTICIPATE AND BE PROACTIVE VERSUS JUST REACTING TO APPLICATIONS AS THEY COME IN.
WE AGREED TO FOCUS ON SOLAR FIRST.
IT'S KIND OF A LOW HANGING FRUIT OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY.
UM, IT'S ALREADY IN WIDESPREAD USE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY COMING IN DIFFERENT FORMS. IT HELPED US TO BEGIN WORKING TOGETHER, DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS, SET UP A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE'RE GONNA DO OUR RESEARCH AND MAKE PROPOSALS.
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IS JUST ABOUT SOLAR.WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDED APPROACH TO ATTACKING IT.
WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS, BUT WITH YOUR APPROVAL WE WOULD GO FURTHER AND, UH, GET INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL.
OUR PROCESS WAS OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, WE MET TWICE A MONTH TOGETHER.
WE REVIEWED THE CURRENT TOWN CODE, LOOKED FOR GAPS, LOOKED FOR BARRIERS, LOOKED FOR POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITIES.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER SOLAR ORDINANCES FROM AROUND THE STATE.
UH, IN PARTICULAR WE FOUND OSANG, BRONXVILLE, YORKTOWN, AND RHINEBECK HAD VERY ROBUST SOLAR, UM, CODES.
AND WE LOOKED AT THOSE TO SEE WHAT WE COULD BORROW FROM WHAT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR GREENBURG.
AND TO DO THAT WE BROKE INTO SMALLER GROUPS, UM, LOOKED AT THOSE IN DEPTH, CONTACTED, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH MUNICIPALITY TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THEIR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T, WHAT MIGHT THEY WANNA DO BETTER.
AND THEN WE PRESENTED THE FINDINGS TO EACH OTHER AND THEN STAFF PUT TOGETHER A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT HELPED DISTILL AND, UM, DISTILL THOSE THOUGHTS INTO SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULD THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE AND THEN I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO LESLIE DAVIS.
BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS TOM HAY, WHICH I FORGOT TO SAY UP FRONT.
UM, AND YOU'RE ON THE, I AM ALSO ON THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD.
OUR RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO APPROACH SOLAR IS TO DIVIDE IT INTO FOUR DIFFERENT TIERS.
WE THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM THAT, UH, IT MAKES SENSE, SIMILAR TO THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE LAW TO LOOK AT THEM INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
TIER ONE, AND I'M JUST GONNA NAME THESE AND LESLIE'S GONNA GO THROUGH THEM IN MORE DETAIL.
TIER ONE, RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL ROOF MOUNTED SYSTEMS. TIER TWO RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEMS, SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE, TIER THREE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, GROUND MOUNT SYSTEMS, AND TIER FOUR LARGE SCALE GROUND MOUNT ARRAYS, OFTEN REFERRED TO AS SOLAR FARMS. THANK YOU, TOM.
GOOD EVENING TOWN SUPERVISOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM A MEMBER OF THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT, UH, TEARS, THE FIRST THING THAT I DO WANNA MENTION IS THAT THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION YOU'LL SEE THAT WE USE THE WORD SMALL TO MEDIUM AND LARGE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH SOLAR IT CONSTITUTES SMALL, HOW MUCH SOLAR CONSTITUTE MEDIUM, AND HOW MUCH CONSTITUTE LARGE.
WE DO HAVE PICTURES, SO IT SORT OF GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE, BUT AT THE END OF, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IF YOU DECIDE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL GET DOWN TO REALLY IDENTIFYING WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE CODE.
UH, SO, SO JUST MOVE THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER TOO.
UH, AS TOM SAID, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH FOUR TIERS.
NOW, THE FIRST TIER WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN WIDESPREAD USE ALREADY.
IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL ROOF-MOUNTED SYSTEMS. VERY FAMILIAR TO EVERYONE.
PROBABLY THERE'S PEOPLE SITTING HERE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE ROOF-MOUNTED SYSTEMS. THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WHILE IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, UM, GARRETT AND OR AARON GAVE US THE NUMBERS THAT THERE'S BEEN OVER A THOUSAND APPLICATIONS, UH, IN THE, IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS REALLY DO A COMPREHENSIVE CODE THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING THERE IS.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FIX ANYTHING THAT'S NOT BROKEN.
SO APPARENTLY THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL ROOF MOUNTED SYSTEMS, THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF GOING STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
SO WITH THIS PARTICULAR TIER, THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS INCORPORATE IT INTO THE CODE THAT WE'D LIKE TO WRITE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND JUST TO GO OVER IT, THERE'S CURRENTLY, UH, IT, IT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED, THERE'S NO ZONING ORDINANCE BARRIERS.
APPLICATIONS PROCEED DIRECTLY TO BUILDING PERMIT, AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IS CODIFY IT AS TIER ONE FOR THE NEXT TIER.
THE NEXT TIER IS THE RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNT ARRAYS SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE.
NOW, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AS FAMILIAR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING A GROUND MOUNTED ARRAY ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE STARTED REALLY THROWING OUT THERE ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT SOLAR CAN BE DEVELOPED, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAUGHT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STYLES, BASICALLY SO THAT WE DON'T MISS OUT ON ANYTHING.
AND THEN HAVE SOMETHING COME ACROSS YOUR DESK THAT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER.
UM, MAYBE MANY OF US DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR A, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD GROUND MONTEREY, BUT THERE MIGHT BE RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE.
AND SO WHAT WE DECIDED WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
NOW, CURRENTLY, OH, HE DOES HAVE IT UP CURRENTLY
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THERE.IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IN CURRENT CODE.
UH, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THERE'S NO ZONING BARRIERS.
IT'S ALLOWED IN PRACTICE WHEN IT'S CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY TO A, A CURRENT A, A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT'S THERE AND THERE IS A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.
THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WE DECIDED WAS THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD LOOK AT, WE SHOULD RECOMMEND IT AS A TIER TWO, AND THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE LOT AREA, THE SETBACK, THE FOOTPRINT, THE OUTPUT, THE HEIGHT, THE SCREENING, TO REALLY LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN SET PARAMETERS THAT MATCH THAT.
AND THAT WAY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN, ACCEPTABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS, AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE RESIDENTS.
THE NEXT TIER IS TIER THREE, AND THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY GROUND MOUNT ERASE.
AND THAT'S SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE.
AND THIS IS, AGAIN, SOMETHING YOU MAY HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
IT DOES SOMETIMES, UH, INCORPORATE OR, OR INCLUDE PARKING CANOPIES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A CANOPY CARS GO UNDER IT.
WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS SORT OF ITS OWN TIER SO THAT WE CAN STUDY IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND REALLY COME OUT WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT MEETS THAT, THAT THIS TYPE OF ARRAY.
UH, THIS WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE, ON THE, ON A BUSINESS, ON A SCHOOL AND A PARKING LOT.
WE FEEL LIKE PARKING CANOPIES COULD BE A BIG OPPORTUNITY IN GREENBURG CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE SHOPPING MALLS, WE HAVE, UH, EXECUTIVE OFFICE CENTERS.
WE DO HAVE SPACES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARKING LOTS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT IN A WAY AGAIN, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN AND TO THE RESIDENTS.
UH, GARRETT IS, UH, R F P FOR PAUL.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL THE END.
WELL, I'LL PAUL, UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT GARRETT IS, UM, IS, UH, PREPARING AN R F P ON ON DEATH.
AND SO, AND WHICH ONLY SAYS TO ME THAT YOU SEE THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY SO IN TERMS OF HOW THAT OPPORTUNITY IS PRESENTED.
AND WE ALSO FEEL BY HAVING, UM, UH, I SEE GINA'S HAND IS UP BY HAVING THE, THIS CODIFIED.
WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE WILL ALREADY BE ANSWERED.
SO THEY WON'T BE PUTTING SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WE ALREADY KNOW WE DON'T WANT.
SO, UM, AND THAT, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE QUESTION? OH, YEAH, SURE.
SO CAN WE INTERRUPT
SO THE COM, UH, COMMERCIALLY ROUND MODEL RACE AS IT IS NOW, THERE'S NO ZONING OR ORDINANCE BARRIERS IF IT'S AN ACCESSORY TO EXISTING PROPERTY.
SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO TIER TWO.
UM, IT MUST MEET MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS AND CAN PROCEED TO BUILDING PERMIT, MUST NOT REMOVE PARKING.
WE KNOW THAT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE DEAL WITH ANYTHING WITH THAT, WE HAVE A CERTAIN, UH, CODE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACE AND WE WANNA CODIFY IT AS TIER THREE.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TIER TWO.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WANNA BRING FORTH IS AS WE LOOK AT PARKING CANOPIES AND THAT SORT OF SMALL TO MEDIUM, WE WANNA, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THE E EASING, THE PARKING RESTRICT RESTRICTIONS.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT ANYTHING SET IN STONE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO EXPLORE FURTHER WITH IF YOU AGREE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO LIZ SILVERSTEIN, WHO'S GOING TO HANDLE TIER FOUR AND TAKE US OUT.
UM, I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE C A C IN ADDITION TO THIS COMMITTEE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LETTING US PRESENT.
SO OUR FINAL TIER, TIER FOUR COVERS LARGE SCALE GROUND MOUNT ARRAYS, TYPICALLY KNOWN AS A SOLAR FIELD FOR SOLAR FARM.
AND THESE WOULD BE LOCATED ON LARGE DEDICATED PARCELS.
AND SOME EXAMPLES WOULD BE A FORMER GOLF COURSE, A DRIVING RANGE, A DAY CAMP THAT'S GONE OUTTA BUSINESS.
SO A VARIETY OF PLACES WHERE THOSE COULD BE SITUATED.
UNDER CURRENT CODE, THEY ARE EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED IN ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THEY ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL PERMIT IN THE GI DISTRICT.
OUR PROPOSED CODE WOULD BE TO, TO, LIKE ALL THE OTHER TIERS, CODIFY THIS AS AS A FORMAL CODE.
UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, REQUIRING AN OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT BASED ON MULTIPLE CONSIDERATIONS.
AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT EXTENSIVE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND APPROVAL WOULD BE IN PLACE BEFORE ANY SORT OF LARGE SCALE SOLAR FORM COULD MOVE FORWARD.
SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE ARE TAKING SOME OTHER ISSUES INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE, UH, FIRST IS THAT OBVIOUSLY WE SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE THE USE
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OF SOLAR AT THE SAME TIME.WE APPRECIATE THAT EVERYTHING IS A BALANCE AND WE ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY LOOKING, RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING AND MAINTAINING THE CURRENT TREE CAN CANOPY.
AND THIS IS BECAUSE MATURE HEALTHY TREES PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN REDUCING THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DO WITH ALL OF THESE VARIOUS NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, BUT JUST IN CASE, MATURE HEALTHY TREES PROVIDE NATURAL COOLING WHEN THEY'RE SHADING A HOME OR AN OFFICE BUILDING, THEY ABSORB LARGE AMOUNTS OF WATER, WHICH AIDS IN THE PREVENTION OF FLOODING AND RUNOFF, AND THEY STORE CARBON, WHICH IS RELEASED WHEN THEY ARE CUT DOWN.
SO WE HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE AND BETWEEN PROTECTING OUR WOODED AREAS AND BACKYARD TREES, WHICH ALSO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED HABITAT FOR BIRDS, INSECTS, AND WILDLIFE.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, WATER RUNOFF ON THESE LARGE SCALE ARRAYS IF THERE'S ANY IMPACT IN THAT AREA.
SO IF YOU ALL AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT THUS FAR, WE WILL RECONVENE TO NAIL DOWN SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR EACH TIER AND THEN COME BACK TO PRESENT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
I JUST HAD A, NOT A QUESTION QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, ROGER KART LIVES IN EAST IRVINGTON, UH, AND, UM, HE'S BEEN MEETING WITH US FOR THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FEW MONTHS BEEN PROMOTING, UH, THE SOLAR PANELS AT EITHER TOWN HALL AND OR IN MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, IN THE CANOPIES AS WELL.
IS THIS SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER? IS THAT HE, HE, HE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING AN R F P AND MM-HMM.
GARRETT IS WORKING ON THE R F P.
SO I THINK WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'LL, UM, SEND HIM, I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE PRESENTATION, I SENT HIM A CO, UH, THE LINK TO THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, BECAUSE MAYBE YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO, SPEAK TO HIM IS REALLY VERY EXCITING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE THAT HE HAD AND, YOU KNOW, WAS SPEAKING TO GARRETT IS TO THE R F P.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.
SHOULD THE R F P UM, BE A LEASE OR SHOULD IT ALSO BE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD JUST BUY, YOU KNOW, HE FELT, BECAUSE I, I SPOKE TO HIM LIKE THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
HE FELT THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE A, A PILOT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST GET SOMETHING DONE SO WE COULD SHOW OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTH SO WE COULD ENCOURAGE OTHERS, UM, TO DO IT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, ON WHETHER IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PURCHASE OR, OR A LEASE? YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU GIVEN, HAVE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY PURCHASE OR LEASE, WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SPENDING PANELS.
SO, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, TO FINANCE, BASICALLY, RIGHT? ALL OF THESE ARE FINANCE.
THEY REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OR THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GENERATING.
IT REALLY IS THEIR FINANCE MECHANISMS. SO YOU HAVE COMMUNITY SOLAR MM-HMM.
RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY IF WE, IF TOWN HALL DIDN'T HAVE SOLAR, THEY WOULD BE THE HOST, THE DEVELOPER WOULD PUT THE, THE, UH, ARRAY UP.
IN NEW YORK STATE LAW, WHEN IT'S COMMUNITY SOLAR, YOU MUST HAVE SUBSCRIBERS.
IT MUST BE, I THINK NO LESS THAN A HUNDRED KILOWATTS.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, PEOPLE SUBSCRIBE TO IT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 10 SUBSCRIBERS AND THE HOST MM-HMM.
THEY ALSO SOMETIMES GET A LEASE PAYMENT.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WAY WHERE YOU CAN JUST OUTRIGHT BUY IT AND YOU JUST KEEP EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF, ALL OF THE ENERGY YOU GENERATE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE THEY ALSO CALL P P A.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE A DEVELOPER IS COMING IN AND SAYING, YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, BUT I HAVE THE MONEY.
BUT AT THAT, YOU'RE NOT DOING IT AS COMMUNITY SOLAR.
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS SELL YOU BACK THE ELECTRICITY AT A DISCOUNTED RATE.
SO THEY'RE JUST FINANCING MECHANISMS DEPENDING ON, AND I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THIS FROM SUSTAINABLE.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS AND IN TERMS OF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING IT FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? YEAH.
IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY WE WANT TO PUT A SOLAR CANOPY PARKING CANOPY.
SO AT THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, AT THE TOWN HALL, WHERE AT BETTER TOWN PARK, ARE WE BETTER OFF? UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, SO, SO I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET, PAUL.
AND SEE HOW MUCH, UM, YOU WANT IN TERMS OF, I I THINK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THAT OUT OF POCKET, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO OWN IT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN TAKE ALL OF THE ENERGY, BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW AND TAX CREDITS, RIGHT.
WELL, ACTUALLY NOW WITH THE IRA, RIGHT? THERE SHOULD BE MANY AVAILABLE.
YOU CAN DO, UH, NONPROFITS OR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THAT TAX LIABILITY CAN DO IT NOW.
BUT IF YOU, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, IF YOU WANNA SPEND THAT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, MONEY TODAY IS WORTH MORE, IT'S BIG UPFRONT.
IT'S AN UP BIG UPFRONT WHERE YOU MIGHT WANNA SPEND THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ALSO, SOMETIMES THE LEASE DEALS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
CAN I MAKE A, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS YOU HAVE TO THE DEAL, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, BECAUSE YOU KNOW I'M REAL, HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.
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ABOUT, YOU SAY GARRETT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS YEAH.HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH GARRETT.
'CAUSE GARRETT HAS THE PRECINCT.
BUT I, I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE, MAYBE I COULD ALSO PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH, YOU KNOW, ROGER AS WELL, SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN AND YOU HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT, UH, YEAH, I FEEL THAT IT WILL, WILL HELP US COME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
DEAL WITH, I, I'D SUGGEST FIRST LETTING THEM ESTABLISH THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S PUTTING A LITTLE BIT, PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
THIS TO ME SOUNDS LIKE A VERY COGENT WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.
TO ESTABLISH THE PARAMETERS, MAKE SURE THAT THE, OUR, THAT WE CODIFY IT.
AND THEN WE CAN TALK TO ROGER TO SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER OR WHOMEVER TO DECIDE HOW TO PROCEED BASED ON THE PARAMETERS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN AS OPTIONS TO US.
GINA, IF I MAY, IF I MAY, I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD WITH SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER, WHO'S BEEN AT THE TABLE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
AND WITH OUR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, COMMITTEE HERE LED BY LESLIE DAVIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING WHAT THE TOWN NEEDS.
BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN STUDYING EXACTLY WHAT THE TOWN MAKEUP IS.
AND I THINK THEY WOULD BE A GREAT, A GOOD RESOURCE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO ALL THE RESEARCH, ALL THE RESEARCH THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, ALONG WITH GARRETT'S HELP WITH THE INSIGHT THAT HE HAS, I THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE.
THE SECOND COMMENT I WANTED TO, TO ASK, OR, OR, OR A QUESTION I HAD WAS, AND HAVE YOU DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, IS THIS REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR THE TOWN AND WHERE WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE TOWN? AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU JUST YET, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW IF WE SAY, HEY, LET'S DO A PILOT PROGRAM.
UM, DO WE DO IT HERE AT TOWN HALL ON ONE OF OUR TOWN OF OF TOWN HALL'S BUILDINGS? OR DO WE, DO WE DO A TOWN, UH, PILOT ON ALL OF OUR TOWNVILLE? 'CAUSE LIKE, HOW WOULD THAT ALL LOOK? DO WE DO A SOLAR FARM AND WE TAKE IT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, ANTHONY VETERANS PARK? I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR, BUT IF YOU HAVE NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR YOU GUYS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT, TO SEE WHERE WE CAN TAKE THIS AS A TOWN AND HOW IT CAN BE BENEFICIAL AS A TOWN.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE PRESENTATION WITHOUT ALL OF THE DETAILS, WAS TO SEE IF YOU BELIEVED IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROCEEDING IN THE TEARS.
AND THEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH GARRETT AND AARON IS NOW MOVING TO ACTUALLY WRITING IT, THAT IT CAN BE USED.
WE DO REALIZE THAT IN THE TIME THAT WE'RE WRITING THIS, THINGS ARE STILL HAPPENING, RIGHT? NOBODY, THE WORLD IS NOT STOPPING.
SOMEBODY MIGHT COME TOMORROW AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANNA PUT UP 10 EV STATIONS, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT CODE YET, AND WE REALIZE THAT, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS HERE, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT DOWN.
AND ALSO THAT ALSO HELPS WITH YOUR DECISION MAKING.
UM, BUT THERE ARE TWO, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS.
THERE'S WHAT IS THE CODE AND WHAT DO WE THINK IS BEST FOR THE TOWN? AND THEN THERE'S THE FINANCE CONSIDERATION MM-HMM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS, AS, AS YOU CONTINUE TO, TO DEVELOP YOUR RESEARCH, THAT WE DO CONTINUE TO KEEP, UM, THE COMMUNITY AT OUR FOREFRONT TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S GONNA BE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT'S GONNA BE BEST FOR US, YOU KNOW? BUT IF WE CAN BE THE PILOT AS A TOWN TO SAY, WE HAVE IT ALL ON OUR TOWN FACILITIES, AND THIS IS THE SAVINGS, AND WE CAN SHOW THE SAVINGS OF THAT, WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY, WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR US, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE CHALLENGING FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO SUGGEST SOMETHING IF WE HAVE NOT TRIED IT FIRST TO SEE, TO SHOW THE BENEFIT OF THE PROGRAM.
I WILL JUST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ADD THAT IN ADDITION TO SOLAR, WHICH IS NOT ON OUR TOP LIST OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS FOR COOLING AND HEATING.
THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, GEOTHERMAL AND THERE'S THE HOT AIR PUMPS AND A VARIETY OF THINGS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER OR OFFICE BUILDING TO UTILIZE.
I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, WHEN, SAY MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER OR ANY OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS, THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR EXPANSION OR ARE THEY COMING FOR APPROVALS? IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, EITHER REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SOLAR CANOPIES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S WAYS OF PUTTING THAT IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CODE.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU, THERE'S SO MUCH SPACE AND THEY WERE ALWAYS COMING TO US FOR SOMETHING.
WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS IN THE TOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS REALLY FANTASTIC, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE HEADWAY I THINK IS,
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IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, FABULOUS.BUT, UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, BEING ON THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, THAT THINGS COME, WE CAN'T TELL PEOPLE, WE CAN'T TELL ANYONE THEY HAVE TO DO THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS TO CODIFY SO THAT WE CAN, RIGHT WHEN THEY COME, THEY'LL ALREADY KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON CERTAIN ISSUES.
IS IS THERE ANY CONFLICT, UM, BETWEEN TECHNOLOGIES, UH, WITH RESPECT TO SOLAR PANELS AND WHAT ARE THOSE AREAS CALLED WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THE HIGH TENSION WIRES, CONED, TRANSMISSION LINES, TRANSMISSION LINES, TRANSMISSION LINES, TRANSMISSION LINES? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AROUND THOSE TRANSMISSION LINE AREAS.
WHO OWNS THAT? IS THAT STATE? WELL, CONED TYPICALLY OWNS IT, BUT THE LAND ADJACENT TO IT IS USUALLY VACANT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE THERE.
AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A TRAIL FOR PEOPLE TO HIKE, WHICH A SOLAR FARM WOULDN'T HARM.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, AND WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE CODE, THOSE MIGHT BE USEFUL AREAS TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING FOR PLACES TO PUT PARTICULARLY TIER FOUR TYPES OF, OF ARRAYS DEVELOP ARRAYS.
JUST AS A, I WANNA BE CAREFUL IF IT'S CURRENTLY ALL WOODED AND TREES.
I'M, I'M SORRY BECAUSE I DON'T, IT'S USUALLY NOT THOUGH.
AND KEN, I JUST WANNA READ PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
THAT WAS REALLY GREAT THAT YOU SAID THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I THINK LESLIE GOT UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S STILL SITTING THERE.
AND AGAIN, I, I, I WILL, I WILL ACCUSE MYSELF FOR IT, BUT THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN REACH OUT TO NEW YORK ENTIRE AUTHORITY WHO DOES WORK FOR MUNICIPALITIES AND TRYING TO BRING DIFFERENT ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS AND DIFFERENT ENERGY PROGRAMS TO, TO MUNICIPALITIES.
SO I THINK THERE OTHERWISE AN OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW LESLIE, JUST FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS ON OFFLINE, THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH NEW YORK POWER AUTHORITY, BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN SAY AS WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK AND WE HAVE BIG PROJECTS COMING IN, AND I MEAN A FULL DISPLAY, MY WORK AND POWER AUTHORITY, THAT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE TOWN OF RIVER WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY BE A RESOURCE THAT YOU DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO THEM.
BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY AT MY ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY BE READING, AND I DEFINITELY COULD HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT, UM, CONNECTION.
BUT I THINK DM I IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE THAT WE MAY WANNA CAPITALIZE ON.
SO NEW YORK CITY, UH, THEY USED TO HAVE VERY FREQUENT, UH, NEW YORK SUMMITS ON SOLAR AND ON BATTERY STORAGE.
BUT WITH THE PANDEMIC, IT, IT, UH, DIDN'T, WASN'T HELD, HELD FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT THEY HAD ONE LAST WEEK, WHICH I ATTENDED.
IT WAS AN ALL DAY FROM EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING UNTIL AFTER FIVE.
UH, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, AND NEW YORK CITY, OF COURSE, HAS A VERY COMPLICATED ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ZONING FOR ZERO CARBON, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN BE.
OF COURSE, MANY OF THE BUILDINGS ARE HIGH RISES, AND THE IMPEDIMENT TO SOLAR PANELS ON A HIGH RISE IS THE MECHANICALS ARE ON THE ROOF.
SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE RAISING THE HEIGHT THAT IS PERMISSIBLE IN ORDER TO PUT A CANOPY OVER THE MECHANICALS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT A, A, A REALLY AN ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR SOLAR.
NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE HAVING, YOU KNOW, A 17 FOOT CANOPY, UH, I THINK THEY WANT TO DO 14 FEET, A 14 FOOT CANOPY ON A HIGH RISE IS DIFFERENT THAN HAVING A 14 CANOPY NEXT TO YOU.
SO, OR A TWO STORY WAREHOUSE BUILDING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT ALSO I COULD JUST, IF YOU NOTICE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CHOOSE NEW YORK CITY AS ONE OF THE POLICE PLACES THAT WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT BECAUSE OF THE COMPARISON IS SO, IS SO DIFFERENT.
AND I, I THINK YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS, THAT ORIGINALLY IT WAS, IF ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT HAD TO HAVE ONE OF TWO THINGS, THE GREEN ROOF, OR THEY HAD TO HAVE SOLAR, SOLAR IN NEW YORK CITY IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY CAME UP.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF COME OUT OF THIS MEETING WITH IS AN, YOU KNOW, A AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEARS.
I THINK, EMILY, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS AND I WANNA GARRETT TO, YEAH.
UM, FIRST OFF, I, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB PRESENTING MY THOUGHT.
OF COURSE, THE TRANSMISSION LINES ARE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT A SOLAR FARM BECAUSE ALL THAT ELECTRICITY HAS TO GET ON THE GRID SOMEHOW.
AND SO RATHER THAN RUN, YOU KNOW, CABLE FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE TO GET TO THE GRID, IF YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE GRID, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE CONED
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PROPERTY.THERE ARE MANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE NEXT TO THE CONED PROPERTY EXACTLY.
THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY THE TREES ARE DOWN AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE A NURSERY OR WHATEVER.
THEY'RE USUALLY DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE BESIDE THE WIRES.
IT'S THE SWAT OF LAND UNDER THE WIRES, WHICH OF COURSE NOW IS ALL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.
BUT MY POINT WASN'T THAT WE SHOULD COMPARE OURSELVES TO NEW YORK CITY OR ANY CITY.
UH, IT WAS, IF THEY CAN DEAL WITH A ZONING CODE THAT AS COMPLEX AS NEW YORK CITY AND A FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO SAYS NO, OFTEN BECAUSE OF SAFETY AND THE, PARTICULARLY WITH BATTERY STORAGE, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, UH, THEY'RE CHANGING THE FIRE CODE FOR NEW YORK CITY, THAT ANY POWER, POWER, UM, STORAGE INDOORS IS GOING TO REQUIRE A PERMIT, WHICH THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY NECESSARY.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WITH BATTERY PACKS THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BIKES THAT NOT UL LISTED BATTERIES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BURNING UP 'CAUSE THEY'RE CHEAP BATTERIES.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES ON SUNDAY FRONT PAGE ARTICLE ABOUT THE E BICYCLES AND THE BATTERY, THE, THE DANGERS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF YOUR COMMITTEE, WHEN YOU'RE ANALYZING ALL THE OPTIONS, MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, SAFETY, UH, INITIATIVES FOR, UM, THE E-BIKES.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M RIDING MY BIKE ALL OVER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PASSING ME ON, UM, UH, THE ELECTRIC BIKES AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PEOPLE MAY NOT BE THAT AWARE OF, UM, THE DANGERS.
AND YOU MAYBE, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN A, A CODE OR, OR MAYBE SAFETY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE TAKING PROACTIVE INITIATIVES THAT COULD ENCOURAGE SAFETY BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK, OH, I'LL JUST BIKE AND I HAVE A KNEE BIKE AND I DON'T HAVE TO GO BIKE UP THE HILLS.
AND, UM, I'LL DO A LITTLE EXERCISE.
AND, AND THERE'S, AND THEY MAY BE, IT, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS FOR THEM.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO REALLY APPLAUD YOU ALL ON THIS PRESENTATION AND THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE FOR THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, I DO AGREE WITH TIER ONE TO COUNCILMAN SHEEN'S POINT.
UM, WE SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME LOW ROOFS THAT HAVE MECHANICALS THAT PROHIBIT, UH, SOLAR, UH, WHEREAS GOING UP 15 OR 17 FEET MAY NOT HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT ON THE TIER ONE SIDE OF THINGS.
JUST WANT TO ADD, I THINK GETTING CREATIVE, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING WHAT WE THINK MIGHT, WHAT WE THINK MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THE CONTROVERSY OVER THE SOLAR FARMS IN EAST IRVINGTON THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO? SO I WANNA BUILD ON THAT VERY POINT.
UM, AND TO BUILD ON KEN'S POINT, UM, THE LAND'S ADJACENT TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES OR JUST FLAT OUT OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU HAD LIKE, LET'S SAY A PERFECT SITE, UM, THAT REALLY DIDN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT NEIGHBORS, UM, FLAT OUT CANNOT PROPOSE THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE WITH THE OVERLAY IS, UM, POTENTIALLY CRAFT A MECHANISM THAT GIVES THE TOWN BOARD BROAD DISCRETION TO REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORS, GET A SENSE OF WOULD THAT SITE NEGATIVELY IMPACT COMMUNITY CHARACTER? WOULD IT TAKE DOWN TOO MANY TREES? AND IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A SITE LIKE UP IN EAST IRVINGTON WHERE THE PROPOSAL WAS TO MAYBE REMOVE LIKE EIGHT ACRES OF FOREST.
AND CLEARLY THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID NOT WANT THAT.
AND YOU, YOU, YOU HEARD THAT AND YOU SAID, LET'S NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
THE OVERLAY ZONE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THAT DISCRETION, WHEREAS ANOTHER SITE, WHICH MAY BE PERFECT NEXT TO A TRANSMISSION LINE, YOU MAY SAY, WOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD SITE FOR AN OVERLAY ZONE MAP THAT HAVE THAT MAPPED AND THEN COME IN FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO BRING.
UM, AND I THINK IT REALLY, UH, IS INNOVATIVE AND MAY NEVER COME TO FRUITION, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION AND, AND POTENTIALLY BRING MORE SOLAR TO THE TOWN.
AND ALSO, UM, WE, UM, HAVE BEEN PUSHING TO HAVE THE LAWRENCE STREET IN ARDSLEY AREA, RIVERTOWN SQUARE, UH, THAT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTAMINATED PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN CLEANED UP.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE A PERFECT SPOT FOR, UM, A SOLAR FARM BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S NOT NEAR A LOT OF HOMES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN BROWNFIELD, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT FOR AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS WITH NO SUCCESS SO FAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD KEEP TRYING.
WHAT HAVE BEEN THE, THE WHY NO SUCCESS? WHAT HAVE BEEN THE OBJECTIONS? WELL, I THINK IT'S THE MARKET THUS FAR.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A SITE THAT'S ZONED GI AND, UH, ONE COULD COME IN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TREE COVER AROUND THE SITE IS, IS MAYBE BLOCKING OUT THE VIABILITY, BUT, UM, JUST THUS FAR I DON'T THINK THE MARKET HAS WANTED TO GO.
BUT ALSO THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CLEANUPS DEPEND ON PERIMETERS SPACE.
THAT AREA HAS TO BE CLEANED UP.
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SO IN GENERAL, IN ORDER FOR US TO ACTUALLY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT UNLESS THESE GROUP CAN HANDLE AT THIS POINT? I MEAN, I KNOW THEY'RE GETTING STARTED AND STARTING, I FEEL I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING SO MUCH ON THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE AND THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO MEET EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT ON THEM.SO, SO LESLIE, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE ON AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GETTING STARTED.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN A COUPLE MONTHS IN, IS THAT SOMETHING, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE HANDLED AT THIS POINT? IT'S LIKE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SET THE EXPECTATION FOR YOUR GROUP, AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DIDN'T MEET THE NORM, WE DIDN'T MEET THE MARK, SO, SO I'LL, I'LL TURN IT.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, WE WOULD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE LAY OF THE LAND AS WE'RE DOING THIS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCENARIOS AS WELL AS THINK, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO SOME OF THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE COVERED, BUT IN TERMS OF REALLY CITING AND LOOKING FOR SITES THAT THE TOWN CAN DO THIS OR THAT, THAT SORT OF IS NOT WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW.
NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN, AND NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO EV, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR US TO GET PEOPLE TO HELP US ON THE FREE SIDE SINCE THAT'S THE NEW BIG THING.
SO, AND I I, ANYTHING THAT I LEARNED, OBVIOUSLY I WOULD BRING TO THE TOWN, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S FREE, UM, FREE HELP.
SO SOMETIMES IT WILL FALL IN THERE JUST BECAUSE IT NATURALLY ORGANICALLY DOES, AND SOMETIMES IT WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TALK AS A COMMITTEE.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE AND, AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT PART OF THIS, UH, WHAT PART OF THIS WE CAN MEET AND WHAT PART WE CAN'T.
AND JUST HONESTLY LET YOU KNOW, RIGHT? BUT ONE OF, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT MAKE SURE, LESLIE, THAT YOU DEFINITELY JUST ADVISE THE BOARD EXACTLY WHAT YOU CAN MEET, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE QUITE A FEW SUGGESTION THAT COMES OUT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AN EXPECTATION WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE SUGGESTIONS.
SO WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN MEET AT THIS POINT THAT YOU JUST SAY, HEY, WE CAN, AND WE CANNOT MEET THAT.
BUT ALSO ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK IS TO DO AS MUCH OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY WHILE YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THESE RE YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS.
BECAUSE THE MORE, LET'S SAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY CLUB, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID, OH, WE COULD DO SOLAR, UH, UH, MAYBE A SOLAR FARM AT ONE OF THE GOLF CLUBS.
IT MAY TURN OUT THE NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT IT MAY FREAK OUT AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO I SORT OF FEEL AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A PLAN, IF WE DO AS MUCH COMMUNITY OUTREACH BEFORE THE, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS OPTIONS, WE'LL HELP YOU COME UP WITH REGULATIONS THAT THAT PROBABLY WILL, UM, HAVE A GREAT CHANCE OF HAVING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SUPPORT AND, AND GET, YOU KNOW, AND GETTING IMP YOU KNOW, GETTING IMPLEMENTED.
YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, LIKE, I WAS SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, IN MASSACHUSETTS, YOU KNOW, IN CAPE COD, YOU KNOW, NANTUCKET, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THE PEOPLE ARE SO PROACTIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF IT, YOU KNOW, THE SUSTAINABILITY BEING FOCUSED AND, AND THEY BASICALLY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS NOT IN MY BACKYARD, JUST LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I WAS SORT OF EXCITED ABOUT LIKE, TRYING OUT LIKE, UM, THE CANOPIES AT TOWN HALL OR VETERAN PARK, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IF ONCE WE GET SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PLACE, PEOPLE WILL SEE IT AND IT WILL MOTIVATE.
WE COULD THEN REACH OUT TO LANDLORDS, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL LANDLORDS AND SEE IF WE COULD GET THEM TO DO THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN INTERNSHIP, JUDITH AND ME WITH 42, UM, UH, STUDENTS RIGHT NOW FOR THE SUMMER.
WE COULD GET THEM TO REACH OUT TO LANDLORDS ON ALL THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND SAY, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN PUTTING SOLAR CANOPIES? MAYBE WE'LL GET ONE OR TWO.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT COULD BE, WELL, WELL, PAUL, WHY DON'T YOU LET THEM ESTABLISH NO, BUT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, CODE BEFORE.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING WE COULD ASK IF THEY'RE INTERESTED.
YOU KNOW, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GETTING DONE.
I KNOW, I, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MEAN, PAUL, BECAUSE WE DO SEE IT GOING ON AND WE DON'T SORT OF WANNA MISS THE BOAT.
AND I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT IS A MONEY THING TOO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW THESE INCENTIVES WORK, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GIVE YOU A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN THEY START TAKING IT AWAY.
SO WE WILL MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE REGARDING THE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE DIDN'T PUT IT HERE, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED IS, YOU KNOW, LETTING, EDUCATING PEOPLE AND DOING THAT IN SUCH A WAY, MAYBE EVEN HAVING SOMETHING ON OUR WEBSITE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS AND BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER.
AND THEN AS WELL AS HAVING WORKSHOPS, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL SEE THINGS.
WE KIND OF THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
SO WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE THAT IN MIND.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT, BUT OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN UNDERSTANDING THE BIG PICTURE AND THE FRAMEWORK AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS NOT, WE'RE NOT THE, YOU KNOW,
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SOLAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, LIKE A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WHERE WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY SPECIFIC SITES OR REACH OUT TO HOMEOWNERS OR, I'M SORRY, BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS.I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVER BECOME THAT, BUT NO, WE WON'T.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, JUST TO TEMPER THE EXPECTATIONS OF SPECIFICS, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.
YOU CAME HERE WITH THE 10,000 OR 20,000 FOOT, UM, OBSERVATION.
OF COURSE, WE'RE NOW, NOW PEPPERING YOU WITH WHAT ARE THE STREET ADDRESSES, RIGHT? AND SO WE NEED, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? WE NEED TO LET YOU KEEP COMING LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER IT WHILE YOU WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
AND IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
AND I DO WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, GARRETT AND AARON ARE ON OUR TEAM TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
CAN'T YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS SO
I KNOW, UM, IN TERMS OF THE COUNSELING THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US AND ALLOWING US, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, COMING IN HERE AND MAYBE NOT HAVING SEEN E CODE OR NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT, OR NOT UNDERSTANDING CERTAIN THINGS, UM, THEY'VE BEEN TREMENDOUS.
YOU ARE, I WAS GONNA SAY, LESLIE, THIS IS WHY IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PARTNERED WITH YOU AND, AND, AND GARY AND HIS STAFF, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WOULD BE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU, YOUR, YOUR INITIATIVE OR WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, BRINGING AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY EDUCATION TO THE TOWN, WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP, ONE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH TOWN STAFF.
SO I, I, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN VERY, YOU KNOW, ON BOARD WITH DAY ONE.
I THINK I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
I JUST, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, AS YOU CONTINUE TO LEARN, AS YOU CONTINUE TO RESEARCH STUFF LIKE THAT, HOW THE TOWN CAN BE A, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE BENEFIT IT WOULD BE FROM THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS.
SO I THINK THAT IS, THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT ON, ON FOR ME.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT.
SO NEXT ITEM IS, UH, FARMER'S MARKET, COLBY, AND BOB, SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR LOSS.
OH, WE, SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR LOSS.
OH, IF YOU'RE SITTING, I'M KNOW, THERE WERE THREE.
WE COULD ALSO, UH, JU BEFORE WE GET, JUST BEFORE WE GET STARTED, PAUL, UM, I, I, I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M NOT IN PERSON.
JUDA SHOULD SUGGESTED, UH, JUST A SECOND AGO THAT WE PUT A MOMENT OF SILENCE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IN HONOR OF YOUR MOTHER.
I LOST THEM BOTH IN THE SAME DAY.
SO I ASKED FOR THIS MEETING ON COLBY'S BEHALF TO SEE IF WE COULD GET PERMISSION TO HAVE THE ROAD CLOSED SO THAT, UH, COLBY'S PLAN FOR A FARMER'S MARKET CAN BE REALIZED.
UM, I MET WITH YOU ALL ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UH, AND, UH, WE AGREED THAT, UH, I WOULD MEET WITH, UM, WELL, WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, THERE WERE COMMENTS RAISED, UH, SUGGESTIONS MADE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CONTRACT.
UH, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I SAID, SURE, YES, THERE SHOULD BE A CONTRACT.
AND, UH, I MET WITH, UH, JOE, AND, UH, I WROTE A CONTRACT AND I PRESENTED IT TO JOE ON JUNE 2ND.
IT'S HERE, PULL YOUR MIC A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOU.
I MET WITH JOE AND I PUT TOGETHER A CONTRACT.
UH, ACTUALLY I WROTE HALF OF THE CONTRACT AND SUGGESTED THAT JOE FILL IN THE OTHER HALF, BUT JOE WAS BUSY, SO HE ASKED THAT I FILL IN THE REST OF IT.
SO I DID, AND I GAVE IT TO HIM IN ITS ENTIRETY ON JUNE 2ND.
I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE TOWN UNTIL JUNE 17, JUNE 19TH.
UH, DURING THAT 17 TAPE PERIOD, UH, THE TERMS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY THE TOWN, UM, WERE UNDER DISCUSSION, BUT NOT WITH US.
UH, I LEARNED ABOUT THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME ON THE 19TH, AND THEY CONTAINED, UH, PROVISIONS THAT, UH, REALLY, UM, WERE UNWORKABLE, BUT I TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM MM-HMM.
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WITH JOE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE COULD TRY TO DO.UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY I CAME BACK AND SAID, WE CAN'T DO ANY MORE THAN I'VE DONE.
UH, AND I ASKED YOU TO RECONSIDER SOME OF YOUR POSITIONS.
UM, THE, UH, UH, JUST TO REVIEW WHAT THOSE WERE.
UM, THE, THE REASON THAT I WANTED A CONTRACT THAT I THOUGHT A CONTRACT MADE SENSE WAS THAT WHEN WE FIRST MET ELLEN HAD SUGGESTED, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS ONCE A WEEK, EVERY WEEK.
UM, THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME, UH, PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE CLEANED UP, UH, THAT IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-TIME THING.
AND I THOUGHT THAT MADE SENSE.
UH, THERE SHOULD BE A CONTRACT TO LAY OUT THE GROUND RULES FOR A RECURRING EVENT WHEN THERE'S A ROAD CLOSURE INVOLVED.
AND I ALSO THOUGHT THAT COLBY NEEDED SOMETHING, WHICH SHE NEEDED, WAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A STORAGE SHED ON THE SITE THAT SHE CAN STORE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR THE MARKET.
SO THE CONTRACT THAT I WROTE INCORPORATED, UH, THE IDEA OF A STORAGE SHED ON THE SITE, ON THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IN AN AREA WHERE I MET WITH JOE, AND I SHOWED HIM ON THE MAP WHERE IT WOULD BE SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, IN ANY WAY IMPEDING, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE NO ONE GOES THERE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S IT'S TOWN PROPERTY, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT IN A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA BECAUSE YOU STOPPED IT.
UH, ANYWAY, THE, THE, UH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SHED, ULTIMATELY WHAT I CAME TO UNDERSTAND WAS THE TOWN'S, THE D P W DIDN'T WANT, UH, I GUESS D P W DIDN'T WANT IT.
UH, THE TOWN ESSENTIALLY DIDN'T WANT IT ON, ON TOWN RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL, UH, FOR ANY REASON, NO MATTER HOW GOOD A REASON YOU MIGHT HAVE, BECAUSE IT WAS AFRAID OF GETTING SUED.
AND IT'S TRUE, UH, THE TOWN CAN ALWAYS BE SUED FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
UH, BUT THE, THE, UH, UH, THAT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC POLICY.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, UH, UM, CONTRACT AWAY YOUR LIABILITY FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
BUT SOMETIMES I THINK EVERY TIME THE TOWN BOARD MAKES A DECISION, IT RUNS THE RISK THAT IT'S GONNA GET SUED FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
WE HOPE THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T ACT IN A GROSSLY NEGLIGENT MANNER, BUT SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS.
BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU WEIGH THE COST AND THE BENEFITS, AND YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT IS THE RISK? AND WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THE RISK IS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT DESTROY THE SHED AND ITS CONTENTS, AND YOU'LL BE SUED FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE DISCLAIMERS SAYING YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
AND SOMEONE WHO SUES FOR THAT HAS TO PROVE GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
THERE MIGHT BE A COST IN, IN, IN, IN, INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND THE LOSS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AN $800 SHED.
UH, AND ITS CONTENTS OF, OF, OF TABLES AND CHAIRS, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT.
THE BENEFIT IS YOU GET A MARKET IN AN AREA THAT'S UNDERSERVED, UH, THAT MIGHT REALLY PROVIDE, UH, TANGIBLE MATERIAL BENEFIT TO PEOPLE IN NEED.
SO I ASKED YOU TO RECONSIDER THE REFUSAL TO HAVE A SHED THERE.
YOU, I'VE ALSO THOUGHT, I GOTTA GO THE EXTRA MILE.
ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES? UH, AND, AND, UH, I HAD COLBY REACH OUT TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS THE STREET.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO BEAR THE RISK.
UH, I HAD, UH, HER REACH OUT TO, UH, UH, UH, BISHOP PRESTON, UH, AND SHE WAS SAYING SOMETHING, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT SHE WAS SAYING SOMETHING.
UH, WE WENT UP, REACHED OUT TO BISHOP PRESTON, AND HIS CHURCH WAS NOT WILLING TO BEAR THE RISK.
THE MARKET CAN'T TAKE PLACE WITHOUT A STORAGE SHED TO STORE THE, THE, THE STUFF.
UM, UH, LAST YEAR WHEN IT WAS AT TOWN HALL, THERE WAS A STORAGE SHED AND THINGS WERE STORED HERE, BUT THAT'S ONE IMPASSE.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE PARK? UH, THERE'S A PARK, UH, THE, THE PARK RIGHT IN BACK OF, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS, UH, PUTTING A STEWARDSHIP THERE OR, OR RIGHT IN THE BACK PARKING LOT OVER HERE.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'S EXTRA SPACE.
I MEAN, I BASICALLY WOULD WANT TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO MAKE THE FARMER'S MARKET SUCCESSFUL.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, SUPPORT, ALLOWING, UM, YOU KNOW, A SHED.
BECAUSE I, I FEEL THAT I LOOK AT THIS AS, UM, AS SOMETHING ALMOST LIKE CO-SPONSORED BY THE TOWN WHERE BASICALLY WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.
SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS, OH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, COLBY AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TEAM THAT'S GONNA BE MAKING MONEY OUT
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OF THIS.YOU KNOW, ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, WE HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET, AND, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK I WAS DRIVING ON CENTRAL AVENUE AND THERE'S A BIG DIGITAL BOARD, AND IT SAID, UH, UH, EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE FARMER'S MARKET CLOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, FARMER'S MARKET.
SO THEY HAVE TWO, UH, DIGITAL BOARDS UP.
UM, AND BASICALLY WE'RE USING TOWN RESOURCES, UH, TWO DIGITAL BOARDS, TOWN RESOURCES TO PROMOTE A PRIVATE, UH, FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, SO I FEEL THAT IF WE'RE DOING IT FOR, UM, UH, LONG, YOU KNOW, AND THAT FARMER'S MARKET DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF FARMERS, I THINK IT HAS LESS FARMERS THAN YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
AND, UM, IT HAS ONE, IT HAS ONE.
UM, BUT LET ME, I, I DON'T WANT TO COMPARE ONE WITH THE OTHER FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY.
UM, WE COULD DO THAT KIND OF COMPARISON, UH, UH, ANOTHER TIME.
THE THE ISSUE IS, UM, NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOCATE THE SHED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME CONCERN.
UH, AND THE ISSUE IS IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING SUED, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THE SHED.
UH, SO LET'S ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF GETTING SUED, UH, AND HOW BIG AN ISSUE IS THAT? HOW REALISTIC AN ISSUE IS THAT, UH, 'CAUSE TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A BIG ISSUE, BUT TO YOU IT SEEMS TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE.
AND I'M TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING AND GETTING YOU TO FOCUS ON HOW BIG AN ISSUE IT IS TO TRY TO DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO SEE HOW REALLY MATERIAL A RISK IT IS TO THE TOWN TO RISK OF BEING SUED FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
THE TOWN'S OWN GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
SHOULD THERE BE A LOSS TO A STORAGE SHED, UH, THAT'S WORTH ABOUT 800 BUCKS.
UH, THAT'S STORING STA TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR A FARMER'S MARKET THAT'S GONNA SERVE HOPEFULLY A VERY, AN UNDERSERVED POPULATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE FARMER'S MARKET OVER ON EAST HARSDALE AVENUE, WHICH THEY COULDN'T GET TO IF THEY WANTED TO.
SO, AND, AND SO THAT'S THE COST BENEFIT THAT I'D ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER.
OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAD REQUIRED, UM, YOUR DRAFT CONTRACT, UM, UH, WANTED, UH, WAS CONDITIONED ON CLOSING THE, THE STREET ONLY IF IT WERE VENDORS WHO WERE NON-PROFITS, NOT-FOR-PROFITS AS DEFINED BY NEW YORK LAW AND PROPER DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED TO THE TOWN PRIOR TO THE START OF EACH VENDOR SELLING FOOD OR GOODS.
UH, THEY'RE NOT ALL NON-PROFITS.
SOME OF THEM ARE THERE TO MAKE A PROFIT.
UH, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT THE ROAD CLOSURE FOR THIS PURPOSE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NOT-FOR-PROFITS.
CERTAINLY YOU COULD TALK ABOUT EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
UM, NO ONE, THERE IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT, NEVER HAS BEEN.
UH, IT'S GENERALLY BEEN, UH, ONE VENDOR WHO'S A RETAIL VENDOR WHO HAS A, A PERMANENT PLACE OF BUSINESS ON WEST HEART, STILL AVENUE AND, AND, UH, UH, UH, HE IS THE PRINCIPAL VENDOR THERE, UH, OCCASIONALLY NOT THIS YEAR AND NOT LAST YEAR.
OCCASIONALLY JOINED BY A BAKED, UH, A BAKED GOODS VENDOR AND, AND, UH, A PICKLE GUY, UH, UH, AND A BREAD PERSON.
UM, BUT, UH, PROPER DOCUMENTATION, THE NOTION OF PROPER DOCUMENTATION, I THINK PROBABLY MAY HAVE ARISEN WITH ME BECAUSE I ASKED, WHEN I FIRST WAS HERE, I SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO HAPPEN IS WE WANT TO BE EXEMPT FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF TOWN LAW THREE SECTION THREE 90, WHICH IS THE PEDDLER'S LAW.
THE PEDDLER'S LAW, UH, THE TOWN'S PEDDLER'S LAW PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT IN YEARS, BUT IT REQUIRES, AMONG OTHER THINGS, A, UH, THAT YOU HAVE A, UM, UH, FINGERPRINTING.
UH, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND A, AND A POLICE CRIMINAL CHECK AND FINGERPRINTING.
UH, AND IT DOES, THERE'S NO EXEMPTION FOR FARMERS.
OH, THERE IS ONE EXEMPTION FOR FARMERS.
IT DOESN'T APPLY TO FARMERS SELLING THEIR PRODUCE, PROVIDED IT'S SELL.
THEY'RE SELLING THE PRODUCE FROM, UH, THEIR OWN STORE OR PROPERTY THAT THEY LEASE.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, IF THEY'RE SELLING AT A FARMER'S MARKET, THEY MUST COMPLY WITH THIS.
NOW, I LOOKED AT THE LAWS IN THE OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN.
I LOOKED AT THE LAWS IN HASTINGS, THE LAWS IN DOBBS, THE LAWS IN TARRYTOWN, THE LAWS IN, UH, IRVINGTON, EACH OF THEM HAVE FARMER'S MARKETS THAT ARE QUITE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, UH, THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT AT ALL.
UH, THEY HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR FARMERS.
UM, AND, AND, UH, UH, TO THE EXTENT THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR FARMERS.
UH, THEY CERTAINLY DON'T REQUIRE FINGERPRINTING.
UH, BUT THEY EXEMPT FARMERS, PERIOD.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN COULD HAVE GONE IN THAT DIRECTION.
I NOTE THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF
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YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE HASTINGS FARMER'S MARKET? VERY SUCCESSFUL.YOU KNOW, THEY JUST HAD THEIR 25TH ANNIVERSARY.
AND WHAT'S AMAZING IS THAT 25 YEARS AGO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET, AND NOW THEY HAVE ONE, AND THERE'S GENERALLY BETWEEN 50 AND 70 VENDORS THERE EVERY WEEK.
WELL, THEY GREW IT ALSO BECAUSE THEY MOVED IT FROM A CONSTRAINED LOCATION TO ONE THAT GAVE THEM MORE SPACE TO WOULDN'T THAT WONDERFUL THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO TRY IT OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE, DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND IT COULD GROW, AND THEY LET IT GROW.
ISN'T THAT WONDERFUL? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE WANT MUNICIPALITIES TO DO WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES SOMETHING NEW? THAT'S QUITE HOW IT HAPPENED, FOR SURE.
IN THE IRVINGTON MARKET AND THE TARRYTOWN MARKET, THEY'RE ALL AMAZING.
AND THE PEDDLERS, THE GREENBURG PEDDLERS LAW COULD NOT APPLY TO THIS ANYHOW, BECAUSE THAT, THAT REQUIRES THAT PEOPLE WHO, UM, ARE PEDDLING MOVE AROUND EVERY 15 MINUTES.
AND WE COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE, BUT JUDI COLBY MOVE AROUND EVERY 15 MINUTES.
LET'S, LET'S BE, I WANT TO BE FAIR TO YOUR LAW, YOUR LAW STATES ON ITS FACE THAT IT APPLIES NOT JUST TO PEDDLERS GOING DOOR TO DOOR MM-HMM.
ALL RIGHT? IT APPLIES TO THE VENDORS THAT YOU HAD ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
I THINK YOU ONLY APPLIED IT ONE YEAR, BUT YOU, YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO DO IT.
NOW, I HAD ASKED THAT YOU NOT, UM, UH, UH, SUBJECT THESE VENDORS TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM.
WELL, IT TURNS OUT WANTED, I WANNA SEE HOW, HOW THAT, HOW'D THAT FLY? AND, AND VENDORS WERE OUTRAGED.
THEY, THEY, THEY SAW THE FORM.
I HAD JOE SEND IT TO ME, SENT IT TO ME VERY QUICKLY, AND WE LOOKED AT IT, I SAID, LET THE VENDORS SEE IT.
LET THE VENDORS SEE WHAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS REQUIRING BEFORE THEY, BEFORE THE ROAD WOULD BE CLOSED, AND THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO SET UP SHOP, UH, AND SERVICE THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CRIMINAL CHECK.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT TOWN REQUIRES.
SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PRETTY.
THE OTHER THING THAT YOU REQUIRED IS THAT YOU WANTED THE, THE COLBY TO GUARANTEE THAT AT LEAST THREE OF THE VENDORS THAT SHE HAS ARE SELLING FOOD OR GOODS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND THAT AT LEAST 50% OF THOSE VENDORS PREDOMINANTLY SELL AFFORDABLE FARM FIRST FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.
I LATER LEARNED THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU MEANT.
WHAT YOU MEANT WAS YOU WANTED 50% OF ALL THE VENDORS THAT SHE HAD HAD TO BE SELLING FARM, UH, AFFORDABLE, UH, FARM FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.
AND I, I MEAN, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, UH, IS UNPRECEDENTED.
I MEAN, OH, IN TERMS WHAT'S NOT TRUE, GINA, THAT YOU DIDN'T REQUIRE 50%.
LET YOU, CAN YOU SAY YOU, I, I'LL LET THE SOUND FROM YOU.
I'LL LET THE TIME START TO RESPOND.
I, I, I, I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT THE CONTRACT SAID.
THE CONTRACT PROPOSAL SAID 50% OF THE VENDORS OF THE THREE HAD TO BE SELLING PREDOMINANTLY, UH, FOR AFFORDABLE, UH, OF, AND 12, RIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, I THINK 10, 10, 12, RIGHT? I THINK THERE ARE 10 SO FAR, BUT, UH, 17.
HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? WE HAVE, WE HAVE 17 CONFIRMED VENDORS.
HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE FOOD? THREE NOW? THREE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, SEVEN OTHER THAT ARE FOOD IN ADDITION TO THE C CSA.
BUT WE DON'T WHAT WE, THE THING IS THAT, THAT'S MORE THAN EAST DALE AVENUE.
SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME TRY TO ADDRESS IT, GINA.
SO IS THE FARMER'S MARKET OR IS THIS A, IS THIS A, IS THIS A FLEA MARKET? NOW? WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH FARMERS AND OTHER, AND WE'RE SELLING OTHER PRODUCTS.
IT'S GOING TO BE, 'CAUSE HOW I, I, I'LL TELL, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO ME AND, AND TO THE COUNCIL, THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN A FARMER'S MARKET THAT WAS ADDRESSING THE FOOD INSECURITY AT THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S PRESENTED.
LET, JUST, LET ME JUST FINISH PLEASE.
SO ARE WE SAYING NOW, JUST SO CLARITY, ARE WE SAYING NOW THAT IT'S NOT ONLY GOING TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MARKET, NOT FARMER'S MARKET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A MARKET WHERE IT'S GONNA BE BOTH FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES TO ADDRESS THE, INCUR THE FOOD INSECURITY THAT WAS OUTLINED TO US, TO THE BOARD THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US IN ADDITION TO OTHER, OTHER VENDORS THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE SELLING STUFF? THAT'S, THAT'S, IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE ARE TODAY? YES, WE HAVE THE SAME.
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NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHAT THE CONCERN WAS SINCE IT WASN'T DISCUSSED WITH ME OR ANYONE ABOUT THE 50% REQUIREMENTS SINCE IT'S NOWHERE OF THE THREE.YEAH, WELL, OF THE THREE, OF THE THREE.
SO OF THE 50%, YOU TALK ABOUT ONE AND A HALF.
SO YOU SAY YOU HAVE, IF IT WAS ONE AND A, YOUR CONTRACT SAYS THE CONTRACT NOW LEADS, THAT IS 10.
IT WAS 12, NOW IT'S DOWN TO 10.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE HAVE 17, WE HAVE 17 VENDORS.
DO ME A FAVOR, BUT WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
BOB, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST ASK THE QUESTION, PLEASE.
SO WHAT WAS SAID WAS, NOW THAT WE HAVE 17 VENDORS, WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN A CONTRACT, WE SAID 50% OF THOSE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 50% OF THREE, WHICH IS 1.5, WOULD BE FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.
BECAUSE WHAT WAS STATED THAT THIS IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENT WAS GOING TO BE, THAT IT WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THE FOOD INSECURITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SAY, YES, WE'RE HAVING, THIS FARMER'S MARKET IS ADDRESSED, FOOD SECURITY, AND THEN WE GET THERE, AND THEN THERE IS NO AND NO DISRESPECT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE ADVERTISING IS WHAT WAS, WHAT IS BEING PLAYED OUT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT, THAT IS WHY WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.
THE TA THAT NEEDS THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING OUT, I DON'T NEED IT, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT WAS HAS 17.
BUT WE ASKED HER WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THAT CONTRACT THAT THREE OF THEM, 50%, THREE OF THEM, WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.
AND I, AND I, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO THE PART ABOUT A DISCOUNTED PRICE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ADDRESSING FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T GET TO A FARMER'S MARKET FOR THAT, FOR THAT PARTICULAR EVENT, FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT THEY CAN GET THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THERE'S THE CLARITY THAT NEEDS TO HAVE.
JOE IS THE ONE WHO I WAS RELYING ON.
I I'VE BEEN LETTING YOU GO AND I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING AFTERWARDS.
SO I, I WILL TELL YOU, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR MOVEMENT ON THIS STUFF.
I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF IT, AND OF COURSE IT'S AT THE DIRECTION OF THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT THAT CLAUSE, I THINK IF YOU CAN SATISFY THAT THERE, THAT THIS IS A LARGE MAJORITY OR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UH, VENDORS WHO SELL FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, I THINK WE COULD WORK OUT WORDING THAT WOULD SATISFY ALL PARTIES.
SO THAT'S 'CAUSE YEAH, CAN, COULD I JUST, OKAY.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ONE IS, THESE ARE, MOST OF THESE VENDORS ARE ONES THAT ARE RETURNING FROM LAST YEAR WHO WAS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL.
WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE THEN? IT'S THE SAME AS LAST YEAR WHEN YOU GO TO OTHER MARKETS IS NOT THE SCRUTINY.
I HAVE, I HAVE NEVER EVER CAME TO THIS TOWN BOARD OR ANY IN THIS COMMUNITY AT ALL WITH ANY KIND OF, UH, FLEECING, ANY KIND OF SHENANIGANS OR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT GONNA UPLIFT THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I WOULD NEVER COME WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.
WHEN I CAME TO, TO, UH, GET THIS CONTRACT LAST YEAR, WE WENT THROUGH HECK AND BACK HECK AND HECK AND BACK HECK AND BACK.
AND, AND WE STILL WENT HEAD FORTH WITH A CONTRACT THAT WAS NOT CONDUCIVE TO, TO THIS COMMUNITY AT ALL ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON AT FROM ONE TO 6:00 PM AND WE TRIED OUR BEST TO HOLD ON TO EVERY VENDOR THAT WE COULD.
AND WE, WE, WE, WE SECURED THIS, WE TRIED TO SECURE THIS SPOT EARLY ON.
SINCE SINCE FEBRUARY, MARCH WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD G MS. JACKSON.
BUT MAYBE GINA, GINA, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T KNOW OF THIS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN, BEEN, BEEN IN COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO GET THE STREET CLOSURE, AND YOU ALL DID RECEIVE THESE THREE, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE ASK FOR THE STREET CLOSURE.
WE, WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY TRY TO DO IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, GIVEN THAT WE, WE OURSELVES A LEARNING AND GROWING GIVE FOR A CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO TO, TO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE SEC? I JUST HAVE ONE SUGGESTION.
COULD WE LEMME JUST SAY, BECAUSE JUST SO WE, I FEEL, LET'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LET'S FOCUS, LET'S JUST FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON GETTING, I'M GETTING THIS CONTRACT APPROVED TODAY.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S ALL I WANNA DO.
SO ONE AT A TIME, ONE AT A TIME, GUYS, ONE AT A TIME.
I WANNA SAY, I'M SAYING, I FEEL
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THAT WHILE WE SHOULD DO, I WANNA SEE THIS APPROVED AND THE THING IS, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED IN BLACK WESTCHESTER MAGAZINE THAT IS STARTING ON SATURDAY.SO WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE TODAY.
SO WHAT I'M SORT OF SUGGESTING THAT WE DO IS BOB MADE, UM, SOME GOOD POINTS.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
I FEEL THAT, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT, LET'S TAKE THE SHED, LET'S GO ITEM BY ITEM AND SEE IF WE COULD WORK IT OUT.
I FEEL THAT, UM, BOB'S POINT IS CORRECT.
I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD, IF WE WANNA MAKE THIS WORK, WE HAVE TO GIVE COLBY AND YOUR TEAM THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL AND DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.
JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH THE HARTSDALE FARMER'S MARKET, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S BEEN GOING, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ONE AT A TIME, ONE AT A TIME.
LET, I FEEL THAT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD, EVERY, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD FINISH.
EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WANTS THE FARMER'S MARKET TO HAPPEN ON SATURDAY.
I, I, I'M CONVINCED THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOARD WILL UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT THE FARMER'S MARKET.
AND I FEEL THAT WHILE WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ATTITUDE THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS WORK, WE'RE ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
MY FAILING IS, UM, THAT, CAN I, CAN I JUST SAY YEAH, CAN I, AND, AND I'M NOT CONTRADICTING JUST FOR CLARITY, RIGHT? NO ONE IS, UM, IMPUGNING YOUR MOTIVES TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
BUT THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WE'RE JUST NEGOTIATING.
SO, YOU KNOW, PAUL'S WRIGHT WILL TAKE IT POINT BY POINT.
SO LET, LET'S, I JUST WANT YOU TO NO, LET, LET'S, LET'S SAY THIS SHED THE POINTS.
NO, BUT LET'S GO, LET'S START, AND THIS WAY WE CAN WE LOCK IT OUT? LET BOB FINISH.
NO, BUT LET'S SAY, LET'S GO THROUGH THE SHED.
LET, LET BOB FINISH AND THEN WE'LL TAKE YOUR SUGGESTION.
UH, FINISHING UP ON THE ISSUE OF THE 50% THING, UH, WHAT JOE SAID WAS, UH, THERE MIGHT BE ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE IF THE TOWN WAS PERSUADED THAT THE FARMERS THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL PRESENCE IN THE MARKET.
SO WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO TO ADDRESS THAT IS IDENTIFY WHO THE FARMERS ARE.
AND ONE OF THEM IS A RETURNEE, UH, WHO HAS PLEDGED TO PUT IN, UH, I GUESS SIX FIVE FOOT TABLES OR FIVE SIX FOOT TABLES.
THAT'S JUST YOU AND I JUST AND FRANCIS DISCUSSED THE OTHER NIGHT.
BUT THAT WE, I'VE IDENTIFIED WHO HE IS.
I'VE TOLD YOU WHO HE IS, WHAT FARM HE'S ASSOCIATED WITH.
UH, AND HE'S SOMEONE FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWN BECAUSE HE WAS HERE IN 2021 AND BID IN 2022.
UH, UH, THERE IS ALSO, UH, THE THREE SISTERS FARM.
AND THEN THERE IS A, UH, A FOUR WALL FARM, WHICH IS A MUSHROOM VENDOR.
UH, SO THERE'S NOT SHOW BEG YOUR PARDON? NO, I'M SORRY.
I'M JUST, UH, THE, THE, UH, UH, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS, UM, UH, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH GLENWOOD, WHICH I, UH, I, I DIDN'T FULLY ADDRESS BEFORE.
AND GLENWOOD IS A, UH, FARMER'S CO-OP, UM, THAT IS BASED IN, IN, UH, WHERE'S WHAT THEY'RE IN, UH, I FORGET WHERE THEY ARE, BUT THEY WERE SOMEWHERE IN, IN, IN UPSTATE.
AND WHAT THEY DO, COLD SPRING.
COLD SPRING, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY PARTNER WITH OTHER FARMERS IN A SHARED COLLECTIVE, AND THEY, UH, UH, PUT TOGETHER WHAT ARE CALLED CSAS, UM, WHICH THEY'RE, UH, GOING TO BE OFFERING TO, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH KOLBY TO 30, UM, LOW INCOME, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THAT SIGN UP, UM, THAT, UH, THAT SIGN UP, UH, USING SNAP.
UH, AND THAT IS A $10 BAG OF GROCERIES, UH, OF, OF, OF, UH, PRODUCE.
UH, IT, UM, IT VARIES BASED ON WHATEVER THE MARKET HAS.
THEY PUT THEM TOGETHER AND THEY OFFER THEM TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, AT $10.
UM, AND THIS IS A, A, A PROGRAM THAT IS, IS TAKING OFF AT OTHER MARKETS.
AND THAT IS, UM, LET'S SEE, THIS IS THEIR BROCHURE WITH THAT.
UH, THE C N A IS A SNAP, UH, I'M SORRY.
BUT THAT IS A MAJOR PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THIS ATTEMPT TO BUILD ON THE NOTION THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS FACING FOOD INSECURITY.
AND THESE ARE VENDORS WHO ARE COMING TO THAT COMMUNITY FOR, TO ADDRESS THAT NEED.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH IT'S BEING DONE.
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BUT THAT'S ONLY FOR 30 PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP.THERE ARE GONNA BE OTHERS, THERE'LL BE OTHER VENDORS THERE AND OTHER FRUITS AND VEGETABLES THAT THEY CAN BUY, BUT THERE WILL BE OTHER PARTS OF THE MARKET THERE TOO.
UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A FLEA MARKET IN THE SENSE THAT THAT'S A PEJORATIVE, IT MEANS IT'S A MARKET AND, AND, AND, UH, UH, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE THERE WHO'LL BE SELLING BAKED GOODS.
MUCH OF THE, UH, SAME TYPE OF STUFF THAT WAS SOLD AT TOWN HALL PARKING LOT LAST YEAR.
SO THESE, THESE CS A, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT C S A STANDS FOR? UM, YEAH, I LAID IT OUT FOR YOU.
I DIDN'T SEE WHAT YOU COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURAL SHARES.
AND SO THESE, SO THEY WILL PREPARE BAGS FOR SALE INDIVIDUALLY THAT PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE WITH SNAP? YES, THAT IS GOT IT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
AND ALSO THE C THE CEOS OF GLENWOOD IS FROM GREEN BUS.
SO IT'S LIKE HER HELPING HOME.
THIS IS THIS, SO THIS IS REAL.
NOW, UH, ANOTHER PROVISION IN YOUR CONTRACT WAS HAD TO DO WITH POLICE.
NOBODY WANTS THIS TO BE A POLICING OR A POLICED EVENT.
UM, UH, THAT'S THE LAST THING ANYONE WANTS.
UM, THERE, I'VE LIVED THERE, UH, IN HARTSDALE IN THE HARTS AREA FOR, FOR 32 YEARS.
AND I WAS THERE FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, THERE WERE POLICE THERE BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY IS DANGEROUS, UH, THE MARKET THERE BECAUSE OF THE CARS, THE TRAFFIC GOING OFF OF PIPELINE, UH, UH, THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP FROM THE HARTSDALE TRAIN STATION CARS CIRCLING AROUND EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
YOU NEED A POLICEMAN THERE AND YOU OFTEN HAVE THEM.
UH, AND YOU, EVEN, EVEN TODAY, EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, YOU SET UP THE, SOMEONE SETS UP THE POLICE, UH, SAWHORSES TO KEEP, UH, THE TRAFFIC AWAY, UM, UH, EVEN TODAY.
BUT HERE, THERE ISN'T, IT ISN'T NECESSARY.
BUT WHAT YOU'VE WRITTEN IN THIS CONTRACT, AND I'M, I'M GONNA READ IT OUT LOUD BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO, I MEAN, IT IT JUST STRUCK ME AS, SO IT INCONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE OF MUNICIPALITY I WAS HOPING GREENBERG IS.
IT SAYS, UH, NO, UH, THE POLICE SHALL, UH, THE TOWN SHALL DIRECT THE POLICE TO REQUEST THAT THE OWNERS OF ALL CARS AND TRUCKS PARKED ON ELM STREET MOVE THEM WHILE THE STREET IS CLOSED.
NO OTHER POLICE PRESENCE IS REQUESTED.
INCLUDING FOR PURPOSES OF TRAFFIC DIRECTION OR SECURITY.
AND GEMSTAR ACKNOWLEDGED THAT NONE WILL BE PROVIDED.
AND THEN IT SAYS, UNLESS IN THE DETERMINATION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, SUCH PRESENCE IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY, AND IF SUCH PRESENCE IS DETERMINED TO BE NECESSARY, THE TOTAL COSTS INCURRED WILL BE BILLED TO GEMSTAR.
THAT'S KOLBY AND MUST BE PAID WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF BILLING NOTICE.
AND, AND, AND, AND ANY LANGUAGE CONTRARY TO THIS PROVISION WITH THIS AGREEMENT OR ELSEWHERE, SHALL NOT APPLY TO THIS TWO WEEK PAYMENT PROVISION.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING.
AND I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF REQUIRING, UH, THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS SEEKING TO CLOSE A ROAD FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING FOOD AND OTHER THINGS TO A COMMUNITY IN NEED TO BE TOLD THAT IF THE POLICE EVER HAVE TO BE CALLED, SHE'S GONNA GET THE BILL AND HAS THE FOOTED PERSONALLY IS TO ME, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN A CONTRACT, UH, THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, A MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK SHOULD EVER PUT IN A CONTRACT.
DO YOU EVER DO THAT, REQUIRE THAT OF ANYONE ELSE? FOR ANY OTHER CONTRACT, FOR ANY OTHER RAT REASON ANYWHERE? WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SHUT DOWN A STREET FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD.
YOU'RE NOT SHUTTING IT DOWN FOR SIX MONTHS.
YOU'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN EVERY WEEK FOR YES.
BUT THE FOR ONE, FOR A FOR, FOR A A HOW MANY HOURS? FIVE A FIVE HOUR PERIOD.
UH, UH, EVERY SATURDAY DURING THE SUMMER ON A STREET THAT IS NOT A PUB HEAVILY TRAFFICKED STREAK.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION AND LET, LET ME JUST SAY, LET ME ASK, WHAT ABOUT ON DESANTE PLAZA HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR Y YEARS, UH, THAT'S ON EAST TARTS DI AVENUE AND THERE'S BEEN BIG TURNOUTS THERE AT TIMES.
DO WE EVER, UH, UH, CHARGE THE FARMER'S MARKET THE FARMERS FOR THAT? I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE THAT FOR THAT EITHER.
SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE EQUAL TREATMENT TO, YOU KNOW, I'M TOLD THIS WAS YOUR IDEA.
NO, YOU TOLD THIS CAME FROM YOU PERSONAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
I WANT THIS FARMER'S MARKET TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
I WANNA DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M WILLING TO SAY? YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, UM, IF BASICALLY THE BO I WANNA GIVE THE, UH, YOU THE THE CHANCE TO
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BE SUCCESSFUL, IF IT TURNS OUT THERE'S 10,000 PEOPLE, THEN NEXT YEAR WHEN WE RENEW IT, WE COULD BASICALLY SAY, OH, I THINK EVERYONE WANTS IT TO BE SUCCESS.THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO, THE DETAILS.
CAN WE, I'M NOT COMMITTED TO HAVING THE POLICE PRESENCE.
I WOULD ASK, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT OUT.
CAN WE NOW HAVE OUR ATTORNEYS BE NOT FINISHED? BOB? OH, I'M SORRY THAT WAS THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED AT THE BEGINNING, AUXILIARY OFFICER, OFFICER, I SAID, WHY CAN'T AUXILIARY COME TO TO FAIRVIEW? DID CHIEF OF POLICE TO FAIRVIEW AUXILIARY, THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAID THAT THEY'RE VERY LIMITED ON AUXILIARY OFFICERS RIGHT NOW.
ONLY WHEN IT COMES TO FAIRVIEW.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING NO, THAT THAT HAPPENED.
ACTUALLY, WE WERE, WE DID A, AN EVENT FOR ODELL HOUSE AND THAT WAS A MATTER OF, UM, CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
LET ME, LET ME, AND IT'S NOT JUST FAIRVIEW.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A PROVISION THAT SAYS, AND I QUOTE THE TOWN DEMANDS.
BOB, I'M READING THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU WROTE IS A COMMON IN EVERY CONTRACT,
UM, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT IN CONTRACTS I WRITE, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
THE TOWN DEMANDS AND THE PARTIES AGREE THAT ALL PARKING REGULATIONS WILL BE STRICTLY OBEYED AND FAILURE FOR GEMSTAR, IT'S COLBY, HER VENDORS OR VISITING RESIDENTS TO PROPERLY PARK THEIR VEHICLE IN A LEGAL FASHION MAY RENDER THE EVENT UNSAFE AS PER SECTION NINE OF THIS AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A PROVISION THAT BASICALLY SAYS, UH, UH, THAT, UH, WELL, UM, ACTUALLY I THINK YOU MEANT A DIFFERENT SECTION, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE TOWN IS RESERVING THE RIGHT TO CALL IN THE POLICE AND CHARGE KOLBY FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE COST IF PEOPLE DON'T PARK IN THE, IN THE PROPER FASHION.
WELL, I THINK WE NEED, THAT TO ME IS UNNECESSARY AND OVERKILL AND YOU DON'T NEED IT.
BOB CAN, IF, IF I MAY HOLD ON A SECOND, GINA, WE'RE TRYING TO COME HERE TOGETHER, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND COMING HERE AND ATTACKING IS NOT THE WAY THAT, IN WHICH ABSOLUTELY.
IN WHICH WE SHOULD BE HANDLING THIS.
WELL, SO YOU, YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINTS.
AND I WOULD LIKE, AND, AND THEREFORE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST, AND I DIDN'T MEAN COME HERE TO ARGUE.
I CAME HERE TO TRY TO MAKE A POINT.
DEFINITELY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
THAT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, I PRESENTED AN AGREEMENT, YOU REJECTED IT, YOU'VE MADE A COUNTER PROPOSAL.
THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY OPPORTUNITY I'VE HAD TO ADDRESS YOU IN RESPONSE TO IT.
AND YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS THING RESOLVED.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S WHY I, I WENT THROUGH EACH OF THESE PROVISIONS, OKAY? AND I HOPE WE CAN REACH AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THIS.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO ONE TIME, LET THE, LET OUR ATTORNEY SPEAK.
NO, NO, I JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I THINK, BOB, I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT AND YOU AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAVE TO SPEAK.
SO THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOU AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
OKAY? SO I DON'T ABSOLUTELY WANT, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, UM, IT'S TRUE, UM, PRESENTED AS THAT THE TOWN BOARD ALONG THE TOWN HAS NOT BEEN IN CONVERSATION AND NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION SINCE APRIL ABOUT THIS CONTRACT AND HOW WE NEED TO MOVE ON FORWARD.
SO I THINK THAT NEEDS, THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
SO I DON'T, I FEEL LIKE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION HOW YOU, HOW YOU ARE REPRESENTING THIS AND HOW YOU, YOU, YOU ARE PRESENTING THIS IS THAT ONE, THE TOWN IS NOT SUPPORTING COL AND THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WHAT IT IS, IS THAT ANYTIME THE CONTRACT IS PRESENTING TO US, WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
THIS IS NOT JUST DIRECTING AT KOBE JAMES.
AND THAT'S THE, AND THAT'S SITTING HERE IS VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE.
LIKE, WE HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST COL AND THAT IS NOT TRUE.
IT'S A CONTRACT THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, IT IS CLEAN FOR EVERYBODY, ALL PARTIES IN THIS.
SO, SO WE WOULD DO THE SAME DUE DILIGENCE IF IT WAS TOM BLUFF, IF IT WAS ANYBODY ELSE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST DIRECTED AT COLBY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES DELIVERED TO OUR COMMUNITY BASED ON WHAT COLBY HAS JUST DESCRIBED TO US.
AND ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THIS LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT SHE IS LOOKING TO, TO ADDRESS THE FOOD'S INSECURITY THAT IS AT THAT LOCATION.
THAT IS WHAT WE RECEIVED HER AND THAT'S WHERE WE ADDRESS IT.
SO TO, TO PRESENT IT ANY WAY OTHER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, AND OUR JOB IS, AS YOU KNOW, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWN IS PROTECTED.
SO I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE SHED REALLY QUICKLY.
THE SHED IS BASED ON WHAT WE SPOKE TO OUR STAFF, OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT, THAT THAT IS A RISK TO US.
THAT'S WHY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT, THAT WE CAN'T PUT THAT IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING, OH, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE IT'S KOBE JENKINS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE FACT THAT TOWN STAFF SAID THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A, A, UH, ISSUE FOR US.
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SO WE PUT IT AS SOMEWHERE ELSE.SO, SO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION NEARBY.
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, FOR, FOR THE, SINCE APRIL WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
I THOUGHT SHA SAID Y'ALL WASN'T WORKING ON IT SINCE APRIL.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE.
LIKE, IT, IT GIVES US APPEARANCE THAT WE ARE SO NEGATIVE AND WE'RE SO AGAINST THIS WOMAN AND IT'S SO FRUSTRATING.
YOU KNOW? SO LET'S, LET'S NOT DO WINDOW DRESSING HERE.
THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAN, THAT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY INCLUDING
BUT LET ME JUST ASK YOU, JUST, LET'S JUST GO OVER THE SHED.
LET'S NOT GINA SAY, LET'S NOT POINT FINGERS, LET'S SAY THE SHED.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING IF WE PUT IT, SAY AGGRESSIVENESS THE PARK RIGHT ON MANHATTAN AVENUE, IF WE FOUND A LOCATION THERE, IS IT, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE IF WE FOUND A PLACE IN THAT PARK? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THERE'S NO SAFETY ISSUES.
IT'S BASICALLY WE, WE, WE WOULD CARVE OUT IN THE AREA.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN NEXT TO THE PORTA POTTY.
I'M SAYING WOULD WITHOUT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU.
I ONLY PICK THAT AREA JUST BECAUSE IT WAS NEXT, RIGHT? NEXT TO NO, I'M SAYING WOULDN'T, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND INTO THE PARK.
NO, BUT I'M TRYING TO, SO I I HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET.
NO, BUT LET ME SAY I'M NOT DONE.
LET ME SAY SOMETHING WITH A SHED, RIGHT? WHY CAN'T WE FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW AN ACCEPT IF IF THIS LOCATION FOR A SHED IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, WHY CAN'T WE ALL FIND ANOTHER PLACE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, THAT HAS NO SAFETY ISSUES? THEN WE COULD SAY, OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? THE SHED IS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THE FARMERS, IF WE ARE GONNA MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL, YOU WANNA MAKE A CONVENIENCE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR BELONGINGS BACK TO THEM EVERY WEEK.
SO IT'S GONNA BE DONE FROM JULY 1ST TO, UH, TO NOVEMBER FIND A LOCATION.
IT COULD BE THE BACK OVER HERE.
WE WE'RE NOT USING THE BACK PARKING LOT OVER HERE.
IF THEY, IF THEY WANT THAT THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER AREAS THIS THERE COULD BE, YEAH.
ALL I'M SAYING IS WHY DON'T WE JUST GO THROUGH THIS AND JUST SAY, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY OF MAKING THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT, WITHOUT CRITICIZING EACH OTHER.
SO THE SHED, IS THERE A LOCATION THAT YOU COULD FIND THAT ANOTHER LOCATION THAT YOU WOULD FIND ACCEPTABLE? IT SHOULD BE CONVENIENTLY, THAT'S CONVENIENTLY LOCATED ON TOWN PROPERTY AND THAT THE POLICE CHIEF THEN THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORK, EVERYBODY THAT
EVERYBODY, THERE'S, THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE RISK FOR EVERYBODY.
YEAH, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PROPOSED.
HE TOLD US THAT HE GETS SUED ENOUGH.
HE DOESN'T WANT THE SHED ON HIS PROPERTY.
IT COULD HAVE GONE ON ANY OF THE, EITHER THE G H A, UH, THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY OR BY THE CHURCH.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, HEY, SINCE THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY, LET THE TOWN TAXPAYERS PICK UP THE LIABILITY.
OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF IS TELLING US THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THIS WAS A VERY LATE ADDITION TO THE DISCUSSIONS.
YOU SAID THAT YOU GAVE IT TO JOE, HE SAID HE COULDN'T FINISH IT.
YOU WENT BACK, YOU PUT IN ABOUT THE SHED.
IT'S WHEN DID SHED JOE ON A MEETING WE HAD ON MAY 25TH OR, UH, AND, AND THAT'S ACCURATE.
AND, AND, AND I, NOT ONLY DID I PRESENT IT TO HIM, I SHOWED HIM WHAT THE, WHAT THE SHED LOOKED LIKE.
AND WE LOOKED AT IT ON THE MAP AND I, HE ASKED ME WHERE ON THE MAP IT WAS.
AND HE SHOWED ME THE GOOGLE, ON THE GOOGLE MAP.
I POINTED OUT EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS.
HE SAID, OH, THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE SPACES FOR IT.
SO A MONTH AGO HE'S A CONCERN.
AND, AND AND, AND NOW YOU'RE JUST MISREMEMBERING THE FACTS AND WAIT, LET, LET, JOE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING AN A SUGGESTION.
BUT I HAVEN'T FINISHED, I'M LAYING OUT IN RESPONSE.
BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING EVALUAT THE TO, BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT HE SAID ALLY, I BROUGHT US THE SHED WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
I SPECIFICALLY SAID WE NEEDED A CONTRACT BECAUSE COLBY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE TOWN, WHICH WAS PERMISSION TO PUT THE SHED THERE.
NOW, IF, IF FRANCIS RAISES THE EXACT ISSUE THAT I FRAMED THIS AS WHEN I STARTED THIS AFTERNOON, HE SAYS IT'S A MATTER OF LIABILITY.
HE SAYS THE TOWN WILL GET SUED.
THE TOWN CAN GET SUED FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
IT CAN ALWAYS BE SUED FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO DO AWAY THE COST AND THE BENEFITS.
UH, I HEARD THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT THE ISSUE.
IT'S NOT AN UNSAFE LOCATION TO PUT IT WHERE WE PROPOSE IT'S SIMPLY ON TOWN PROPERTY.
CAN I ASK CREATES, CREATES ISSUE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? PLEASE? YEAH.
I, I'M LOOKING AT A PHOTOGRAPH AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH I'M ENVISIONING IN WHICH I BELIEVE OUR D P W WAS SEEING AS ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, IN A
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IT'S ON THE GRASS.IT'S ABOUT, AT THAT LOCATION, IT'S ABOUT A 10 OR 15 FOOT WIDE STRIP OF GRASS.
AND THAT IS PART OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY, APPARENTLY.
AND, AND, AND THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET.
THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET.
THERE'S NO, NO ONE WALKING THERE.
THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I CAN CONCEIVE OF IS THE THEORETICAL ISSUE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON TOWN PROPERTY AND SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT SHED, THE TOWN WILL GET SUED NOTWITHSTANDING COLBY'S AGREEMENT TO HOLD YOU HARMLESS.
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT SHE HAS INSURANCE BECAUSE IT'S MATTER OF STATE LAW.
MUNICIPALITIES CAN BE SUED FOR THEIR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
IT COULD BE SUED FOR A PLAYGROUND.
YOU CAN BE SUED FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY INCUR THE COST OF DEFENDING THAT EVEN IF IT'S FRIVOLOUS, THERE'S A COST TO DEFEND IT.
AND THAT'S WHY TOWN BOARDS, AT SOME POINT, YOU'RE GONNA LET ME MAKE MY STATEMENT.
BUT YOU, YOU MAY, YOU MAY YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S WORTH THE BENEFIT.
THE RISK IS WORTH THE BENEFIT.
YOU'RE SAYING IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO ME THAT MARK SOJA WON'T ALLOW IT BECAUSE HE GETS SUED TOO OFTEN.
DID YOU SPEAK TO HIM, BISHOP? YES.
BUT IT'S PERSONAL STUFF THAT HE'S GETTING SUED FOR.
BISHOP WON'T PUT IT ON ANY PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH HIM.
'CAUSE THERE'S A AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A REASONABLE CONCERN.
SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? WHERE DO YOU SUGGEST IT GO THEN FRANCIS? BECAUSE IF, IF YOU DON'T, I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU DON'T NEED A SHED TO HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET.
RIGHT? BUT EVERY OTHER MUNICIPALITY HAS ONE.
RIGHT? LET ME, LET ME RUN THROUGH IT.
EVERY OTHER MUNICIPALITY HAS ONE.
SO AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE ONE.
NO, I'M, I'M, YOU CAN SPEAK ANYTIME.
I'M JUST SAYING EVERY OTHER MUNICIPALITY HAS ONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I NEVER WANT TO COME BEING AGGRESSIVE OR FEEL LIKE YOU ALL ARE BEING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS ME.
WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, THE BOARD.
I KNOW YOU WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH PAUL EARLIER IN THE YEAR, BUT THE ONLY TIME THE TOWN COUNCIL FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WAS, I THINK IT WAS APRIL 27TH WHEN THE POLICE CHIEF WAS ASKED A QUESTION AND HE COPIED THE TOWN BOARD ON HIS RESPONSE.
AND THAT OPENED UP THE EMAIL TRAIL.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APRIL 27TH.
HERE WE ARE IN JUNE AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES.
ALL I HEARD, AND I LISTENED TODAY AGAIN TO THE TWO WORK SESSIONS ABOUT MAKING A PRESENTATION ABOUT FOOD INSECURITY AND FOOD INSECURITY IN FAIRVIEW AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS, UH, SUFFERING FROM FOOD INSECURITY.
THERE WAS NOT ONE MENTION, WE DIDN'T SAY, I I LISTEN TO THE TAPE.
THERE WAS NOT ONE MENTION OF ANYTHING REGARDING WHAT YOU WERE GONNA DO OTHER THAN TO ADDRESS FOOD INSECURITY.
DOES THE CONTRACT, LET ME FINISH.
WHY DOES THE CONTRACT TALK ABOUT AT LE AND AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT YOU HAD THREE VENDORS, SO AT LEAST TWO OF THEM, A MAJORITY WOULD BE DEALING WITH WHAT YOU SAID THIS IS ALL ABOUT, WHICH IS FOOD INSECURITY.
NOW WE KNOW THAT THAT THREE HAS EXPANDED TO 17, BUT BETWEEN THREE AND 17, NONE OF THOSE ARE ADDRESSING THE FOOD ISSUE.
SECONDLY, NOW LEMME JUST RUN THROUGH THIS.
IS THIS A NO, YOU, YOU, IS THIS A NO, YOU OBJECT.
LET ME, LET ME GO THROUGH HERE.
WE WANNA GET TO NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT.
WE'RE NOT EVEN, WE LISTEN TO YOU SPEAK SERIOUSLY.
LET THE BOARD SPEAK THE IS AGAINST IT.
THE, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW DARE YOU PUT IN HERE FOR NOT-FOR-PROFITS.
YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AT TWO WORK SESSIONS.
IT WAS RAISED THAT THEY WERE EITHER NOT MAKING A PROFIT OR THEY WERE NOT-FOR-PROFITS.
AND YOU CHALLENGED ME WHEN I SAID THEY'RE NOT-FOR-PROFIT.
YOU SAID, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT OKAY.
AND I ALSO SAID TO YOU THAT I MISSPOKE AND I APOLOGIZED TO THAT.
BUT YOU'RE QUESTIONING AND WE HEAR THE AIR ON THAT.
BUT NOW TONIGHT YOU'RE WANTING, SEE LIKE ALL YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING FRANCE IS, IS LEVI EATING SCORES? NO.
YOU'RE SHOCKED THAT THE NON-FOR-PROFIT IS THIS.
I'M SHOCKED THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD PRESENT THIS KIND OF A CONTRACT.
LEMME KNOW WHEN I CAN FINISH THIS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, YOU SAT HERE IN ASTONISHMENT.
I'M WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE CONTRACT? WE ALL SAID, FRANCIS, LISTEN, I HAVE TO, LET'S JUST GET THIS THING DONE.
LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR, WE WERE ARGUING AND ARGUING.
NO, I'M, I'M EXPLAINING BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT BASICALLY WHAT COMES ACROSS AS IT TOOK TOOK US EIGHT YEARS TO APPROVE THAT GREENBERG HEALTH CENTER.
IT TOOK US FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS TO APPROVE UNION BAPTIST CHURCH.
I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU SHOULD NOT BE SHOCKED IF IT SAID NOT-FOR-PROFIT IN THE CONTRACT WHEN YOU SAID THEY WERE NOT-FOR-PROFIT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO HELP YOU WATER OVER THE DAM.
I'M, AND I'M, I'M APPEALING TO YOU NOW, BUT YOU COME HERE WITH SUCH APPEALING DIGNITY THAT IT'S IN THE CONTRACT WHEN YOU RAISED IT, WHATEVER INDIGNITY IS COMING ACROSS TO THE PUBLIC AT HOME AS THEY WATCH THIS.
SECONDLY, WE'RE TRYING, DEALING WITH GET CONTRACT HERE.
THIS FARMER'S MARKET ORIGINATED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS TOWN HALL RAISED WITH US.
IT ORIGINATED HERE AND ALL, IT WASN'T EVEN AN ISSUE.
WHOLE MANTLE WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH THE LAW
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INTO THE COMMUNITY WASN'T THE SUCH A THE ONLY OBJECTION.THE ONLY OBJECTION TO THE LAW, LET FINISH WAS SPEAKING THE FEE.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT FINGERPRINTING.
I ONLY HEARD ABOUT FINGERPRINTING RECENTLY.
BUT WHEN YOU WERE RAISING, AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO RAISED IT TO US, IS THEY'RE GONNA NEED A, THEY HE WAIVED AND YOU DIDN'T, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS WHAT WAS SO INSULTING.
AND WHAT WAS, AND THEN WE FOUND OUT WAS AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE WAIVED, WHAT WAS GOING TO BE WAIVED WAS THE FEE YOU DIDN'T ASK ANYTHING ABOUT, ABOUT THING ABOUT I GOT THE ANSWER IS FROM FRANCIS IS NO, HE WILL NOT PERMIT THIS TO GO FORWARD.
I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT FRANCIS IS SAYING.
THE OTHER THING FRANCIS IS POINTING OUT WHERE I'D LIKE TO TAKE PEOPLE AT WHAT THEY SAID WHERE WE'RE HAVING A DISCONNECT.
I THINK FRANCIS AT HIS WORD, I THINK WE'RE HAVING SAYING NO, I WANNA KNOW WE CAN HAVE THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
YOU'RE SAYING I THINK WE HAVE A DISCONNECT IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT FRANCIS IS HEARING, WHAT FRANCIS IS SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING.
SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE MIS THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
SO AS FAR AS FINGERPRINTING IS CONCERNED, I I DON'T THINK THAT FRANCIS UNDERSTOOD THAT I, RIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? THAT'S, YOU WERE SAYING THAT 'CAUSE DIDN'T RAISE IT AS AN OBJECTION.
YOU RAISED IT, BUT WE NOT DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD PAY THE FEE.
YOU RAISED DIDN'T TO PAY THE FEE.
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PAY THE THIS AFTER I GOT THIS CONTRACT ON JUNE 19TH.
SO, SO FINGER FINGERPRINTING ASPECT A CONTRACT OR NOT? THAT'S WHAT I'M, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I WANNA ADDRESS WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF CHIEF SAID ABOUT THE PARKING VIOLATIONS.
'CAUSE THAT'S A CRITICAL ISSUE FOR HIM.
WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT INITIALLY ONLY FOX'S ON SO'S PROPERTY WAS SECURED.
NOW I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 17 VENDORS, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? APPARENTLY THERE'S GOING TO BE ONLY PARKING AT THE END.
DO THEY GET CLOSED IN AND THEY'RE STUCK THERE FOR THE ENTIRE DAY? UH, UH, WHAT HIS CONCERN IS, IF PEOPLE PARK ON MANHATTAN AVENUE ON A SATURDAY, CHILDREN WILL RUN BETWEEN THOSE CARS AND IT'S A DEFINITE HAZARD TO THE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF THOSE CHILDREN.
AND HE WANTS NO PARKING ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.
AND HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE COLBY FOR THE COST OF HAVING TO SEND A COP THERE.
IF SOMEBODY PARKS ILLEGALLY ON MANHATTAN AVENUE, THAT'S OFFENSIVE.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE NO PARKING SIGNS AND YOU CAN ENFORCE NO PARKING SIGNS.
BUT THE IDEA OF TAKING IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND SAYING THAT THE PERSON WHO'S SPONSORING THIS EVENT SHALL BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR THE POLICE COSTS.
IS TAKING IT A STEP TOO FAR, DON'T YOU THINK? I MEAN, REALLY YOU ASK THAT OF ANY OTHER RESIDENT OF THIS TOWN, ANY OTHER TAX PAYING RESIDENT OF THIS TOWN? I DON'T THINK SO.
NOW I THINK WHAT I'M, WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO IS JUST TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, DO YOU WANNA PUT TOGETHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WE CAN AGREE TO OR NOT? CAN I, CAN I SUGGEST I THINK THAT THE, THE, UM, SHED IS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
LET'S DO, AS PAUL SUGGESTED, AND TAKE ONE THING AT A TIME AND WITHOUT TRYING TO REVISIT AND LET'S JUST GO FORWARD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OUR ATTORNEY HAS TO SAY.
HE HASN'T BEEN GIVEN MUCH OF A CHANCE TO TALK, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, IN WHAT HIS UNDERSTANDING AND INTENT IS.
AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN COME TO, LET'S START WITH THE FINGERPRINTING.
WITH THE FINGERPRINTING OR, I I JUST WANNA ADDRESS SOMETHING BRIEFLY BEFORE I MOVE ON.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDED TO BE THAT CONFRONTATIONAL AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE SUCH EGREGIOUS TERMS WITHIN THIS CONTRACT.
AND AS I SAID, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 50% REQUIREMENT OF AFFORDABLE FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, I THINK THERE'S WORDING THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT AND WE COULD SATISFY A CONTRACT THAT THIS MARKET MOVES FORWARD AND ALL THE PARTIES ARE HAPPY ABOUT IT.
UM, I WENT TO THE MARKET EVERY SINGLE WEEK LAST YEAR WHEN IT WAS IN OUR LOT AND BOUGHT SOMETHING EVERY SINGLE WEEK BECAUSE I WANTED TO SUPPORT IT.
UM, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THIS ONE AS WELL.
UM, I, I AGREED AT THE BIGGEST ISSUE I BELIEVE IS THE SHED REQUIREMENT.
I'M NOT SURE IF RICH FAWN IS AVAILABLE TO COMMENT ON IT, BUT WHAT I WAS TOLD IS THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW STORAGE OF THIS KIND ANYWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND THEY WERE NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I RESPECT THE STAFF AND AGREED WITH THEIR OPINION AND THAT'S WHY, UM, I BELIEVE THE BOARD DID AS WELL AND DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW IT WITHIN THIS CONTRACT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF D P W WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT AT ALL, BUT, UM, IN, IN WITH THE BEING IN THE PARK, I THINK THINK THAT ALSO MIGHT BE AN ALIENATION OF PARKLAND.
I'M NOT SURE IT JUST CAME UP NOW AND BACK OVER
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HERE IN THE PARKING LOT.I DON'T HAVE ANY, I MEAN, NOBODY USES IT.
AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSE, IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE BY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, MY FAILING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE EASY AND WE COULD TEST YOU TRY IT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE, I'M SORT OF THINKING, I DON'T THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR IT WAS VERY MANAGEABLE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE MANAGEABLE.
IT'S GONNA BE BUILD, BUILDING UP.
AND I FEEL GIVE IT A CHANCE, GIVE KOBE A CHANCE TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
AND IF WE'VE, AS WE FIND THERE'S ISSUES OR, UM, OR, OR PROBLEMS, THEN WE COULD TRY, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING IT.
BUT, UM, I, I, TO ME, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE WILLING, I SEE THIS REALLY NOT ONLY A FARMER'S MARKET, BUT IT'S A COMMUNITY, UM, UH, DESTINATION POINT, WHICH MAKES YOU, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL DO.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER, LET'S MOVE ON FROM HOW YOU FEEL AND GET THIS CONTRACT NEGOTIATED.
I'M SO, I, I FEEL THAT THIS IS A CO-SPONSOR FOR THIS TO KEEP BEING PERSONALIZED AND MY NAME KEEP BEING USED.
MS. JACKSON AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY KEEP SAYING MY NAME, MY NAME, MY NAME, MY NAME.
LET'S STOP MAKING IT PERSONAL TO ME.
CAN I, CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING? THIS IS ABOUT, I, I, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T HERE.
I DIDN'T WORK ONE DAY IN THIS FARMER'S MARKET LAST YEAR.
I WENT AND GOT, I WENT AND AND SOUGHT OUT THE BEST OF THE BEST PEOPLE.
SHE, SHE'S ON, ON WHACK YAK IN YONKERS, BUT THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST EVENTS OUT THERE.
I WENT AND GOT SOMEONE ELSE THAT, THAT THAT DEAL, THAT, THAT WORKS IN, IN, UM, FOODS AND DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO COME AND BE A PART OF THIS MARKET.
I, I PARTNERED WITH BLACK FARMERS UNITED, I PARTNERED WITH YOU, BLACK UNITED GROWERS.
I, I, I JOINED THE C S A SHARES.
I DID EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD POSSIBLY DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, LET'S STOP SAYING KOBE, KOBE, KOBE.
THIS IS NOT, THIS AIN'T FOR ME.
I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE WE DESERVE IT.
WE DESERVE IT HERE IN FAIRVIEW.
WE DESERVE TO HAVE A NICE FARMER'S MARKET.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA OF, WHAT ABOUT GINA? GINA? GINA KNOW GINA, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TALKING, YOU'RE MAKING IT PERSONAL TO ME.
GINA, CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION'S REASON? AND I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU, BUT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY ATTACKING ME.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I'M YOU'RE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? AND YOUR HANDS ORDER? YOU JUST ASK A QUESTION.
WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA? I'M SORRY, OF MAYBE LIKE A, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE PODS THAT THEY HAVE ON TRAILERS.
MAYBE IF WE HAD A POD ON A TRAILER, WE COULD ATTACH THE TRAILER TO A TRUCK AND TAKE IT AFTER THE FARMER'S MARKET IS COMPLETED, YOU KNOW, AND ROLL IT SOMEWHERE AND THEN BRING IT BACK ON THE DAYS WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NO OTHER MARKET DOES THAT HAVING, I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO I KNOW NO OTHER, I'M NOT SAYING ANY OTHER MARKETS DO IT.
I'M JUST OFFERING A SUGGESTION.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A COST'S A COST.
THE, THE, UH, HARTSDALE, THE MM-HMM.
BUT THEY CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT.
AND THAT ONE'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
NO, ACTUALLY THE HARTSDALE PUBLIC MARKET, UH, FARMER'S MARKET HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
UH, AND THE STREETS ARE CLOSED.
IT'S IT'S NOT ON TOWN PROPERTY.
AND, AND, AND THAT TOWN PROPERTY IS PUBLIC PROPERTY AND, AND, AND, UH, UH, TO, TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS JUST CREATING A FALSE, WELL, LET, LET, LET'S JUST TALK.
I LIKE THIS IDEA ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
LET'S SEE WHERE WE, WE CAN GO WITH IT.
AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THE HASTINGS SHED IS OFF A PARKING LOT IN A PARKING LOT ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH THE OVERPASS, THE WAR BURTON AVENUE BRIDGE.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH, LET'S COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS RATHER THAN ATTACKS.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD GET SOMEONE TO UNDERWRITE THE COST.
DEPENDING ON, WE KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE COST IS, RICHES ON THE LINE TO ADDRESS THE WHOLE SHE ISSUE OF THE CONCERNS HE HAD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR.
THAT IS NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST MY NAME.
THAT'S HOW I TALKED EARLIER TOO.
SO IF COULD GET SOMEONE TO UNDERWRITE THE COST, WOULD THIS BE A VIABLE IDEA? UM, JOE, CAN, CAN JOE SPEAK? BECAUSE HE REALLY HASN'T GOTTEN A CHANCE.
DON'T REALLY LIKE TO GIVE LEGAL ADVICE.
I UNDERSTAND GETTING IS, IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL.
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BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WITH DEEP POCKETS HERE.AND TO HOLD UP THE MARKET AND ABOVE TO CONDITION THE CLOSING OF THE STREET ON FINDING SOMEBODY AT THIS LATE DATE TO UNDERWRITE THE COST.
BUT ARE WE GONNA FIND SOMEBODY TO DO THAT? CAN I ASK WHAT THE, WHAT THE SHED IS GOING TO ACCOMMODATE? LIKE HOW MANY TABLES AND CHAIRS IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE TABLES, THE CHAIRS, THE SIGN, HOW MANY TABLES AND CHAIRS? UM, POSSIBLY ABOUT THREE TABLES.
THE SIGNAGE, THE CHAIRS, THE TENTS.
HOW MANY CHAIRS? UH, WE ARE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE ABOUT SIX CHAIRS.
THE TENT AND THE TENT AND SIGNS TENTS THAT FOLD UP INTO THIS.
EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS AT THEIR, THAT THEY SECURE AT THEIR MARKETS IS, IS, IS THE SAME STUFF.
I KNOW, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 17 VENDORS IN THE PICTURE.
I'M LOOKING, HOLD ON A SECOND, COLBY PLEASE.
VENDOR BRINGING THEIR OWN STUFF BACK AND FORTH.
EACH VENDOR WILL BRING IN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, LET ME JUST SAY, AND I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT US HOLDING ANYTHING THAT BELONGS TO A VENDOR.
NO, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
IT'S ONLY YOU ANSWERED THAT'S FINE.
IT'S ONLY WHAT BELONGS TO THE MARKET.
IT'S ONLY WHAT BELONGS TO THE MARKET.
AND, AND LIKE I, LIKE I SAID, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, AND I DON'T HAVE TO POINT OUT THE MARKETS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HERE IN OUR VILLAGE.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEEM LIKE I'M SINGLING THEM OUT, BUT IF YOU GO TO PLEASANTVILLE, THEY HAVE A SHED RIGHT THERE.
WE KNOW THAT IF, MATTER OF FACT PLEASANTVILLE HAS TWO SHEDS, WE KNOW THAT, WE KNOW THAT OTHER COM WE KNOW THAT.
AND, AND THE HAND, AND AND GUESS WHAT? MO THEY'RE NOT PURCHASED.
MOST OF THESE SHEDS THEY HAVE ARE HAND BUILT.
THAT MEANS SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS COMING AND BUILDING IT FOR THEM.
BUT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED IS IT'S NOT THE SHED PER SE, BUT IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, AND SETTING PRECEDENCE BY PUTTING THINGS IN THE RIGHT OF MAY WAY.
AND YOU'RE ASKING THE SHED DOESN'T GO AWAY.
SO THE SHED IS SITTING THERE FOR SIX MONTHS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I, SO KNOWING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE TABLES, APPROXIMATELY THREE TABLES, SIX CHAIRS, A TENT THAT FOLDS UP AND SIGNAGE THAT MAYBE THERE IS ANOTHER WAY OF ACCOMMODATING.
MAYBE THE POD ISN'T SO NECESSARY.
MAYBE IT'S THROWING IN THE BACK OF A VAN AND TAKING IT TO EVERY DAY.
THE TAKING EVERY WEEK, YOU KNOW, SO, SO LET'S TRY TO FIND A WAY TO, TO COMPROMISE HERE.
YOU HAVE A I WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO, TO LOOK AT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, UM, HOLD THE MICROPHONE UP TO YOU.
IS LOOK AT, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAP PICTURE OF ELM STREET AND THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE REASON I, I WANNA FOCUS ON THAT IS THAT THE AREA OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS A VERY WIDE AREA.
UH, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, THE TOWN HAS A RIGHT OF WAY GENERALLY EXTENDS FIVE FEET FROM EVERY PUBLIC ROAD.
THIS OF COURSE, EXTENDS BEYOND THAT, BUT THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, RESIDENTS, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN ENCROACHING ON THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE TIME.
THEIR PLANTS ARE THERE, THEY'RE, THEY, IT'S, THEY'RE OBSTRUCTIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
ANYTIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, WE OFTENTIMES HAVE TO GET THEM TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE IT'S A VISIBLE OBSTRUCTION THAT CAUSES A TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OCCURS ALL THE TIME.
SO FOR THE TOWN TO SAY, OH, WE CAN'T ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT BY HAVING A, A PIECE OF A A, A SHED LOCATED ON THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE.
THAT RUBICON'S BEEN CROSSED ALREADY.
UH, BUT WE'RE, I DIDN'T SAY TRYING SAY THAT.
I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST IT WOULD BE TERRIBLE.
I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST THIS SHED LEGISLATION WHERE THERE ISN'T LEGISLATION REGARDING FLOWER POTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT RIGHT AWAY.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST IS THAT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, ALLOWING THE SHED HERE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT A POD OR SOME OTHER THING, MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE TO ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD.
I HAD AN IDEA THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.
UM, WHAT IF, UM, WE BASICALLY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS MARKET, AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA REALLY LOVE IT AND APPRECIATE IT.
PEOPLE ARE REALLY, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER AND SAY, WHAT'S YOUR IDEA? BUT WHAT, NO, NO.
MY, MY IDEA IS, MY IDEA IS WHAT? NO, MY IDEA IS WHY DON'T WE SAY THEY COULD, UM, HAVE THE FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, AND UM, RIGHT NOW WE DO A TEMP, A TEMPORARY, NO, LEMME COME UP A TEMPORARY AGREEMENT FOR TWO MONTHS.
AND, YOU KNOW, DURING THE NEXT TWO MONTHS,
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IF IT TURNS OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED A THOUSAND POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY, THEY WILL, UH, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, WE COULD ALWAYS TIGHTEN UP THE WORDING WHEN WE HAVE A FIN A FINAL AGREEMENT.BUT THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THEY'VE STARTED OUT, I SAW IN BLACK WESTCHESTER MAGAZINE, PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ON SATURDAY, JULY 1ST AND EVERY SATURDAY.
SO WHY DON'T WE SAY, START IT.
I'M SURE THAT IT'S GONNA WORK OUT, AND I'M SURE THAT THE POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS AND EV ALL OF US ARE GONNA WORK TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESS.
AND UM, AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S ISSUES, WE WILL, WE'LL MEET AND WE'LL, WE'LL RESOLVE IT.
JUST LIKE WE'VE, WE DO WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE, LAST YEAR, ONE OF THE NICEST THINGS WE DID, GINA, WAS WHEN YOU HAD THE, UM, THE, UH, THE PROGRAMS IN THE PARKS, WE HAD VENDORS, WE HAD, UH, FOOD AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LOVED IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A FARMER'S MARKET, IT'S NOT ONLY FOOD, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOOD, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMMUNITY REACHING OUT AND ENJOYING IT.
I THINK PAUL, WE ALL PLEASE LET, LET, LET SOMEONE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I LOVE THAT YOUR PROGRAMS, I I THOUGHT THEY, IT WAS A HIGHLIGHT OF THE YEAR FOR ME.
IT WAS A HIGHLIGHT OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION.
CAN WE NOT HAVE THE EDITORIAL PLEASE? YES.
AND WOULD YOU PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT? BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR.
THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING EVERY GONNA LOVE.
SO IF YOU, ME, WHAT YOU SAID, SO YES, SO, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS SOLIDIFY AND COME TO A CONTRACT THAT'S AGREEABLE IN THAT IT'S RISK FREE FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS CONTRACT, ALL PARTIES.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS.
PLEASE DON'T DO THIS GRANDSTANDING CALL WITH HER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT
NO, I I I'M, IT'S NOT GRANDSTANDING.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, I'M NOT GRANDSTANDING.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT INITIATIVE FOR THE FAIRVIEW COMMUNITY AND FOR THE IN TOWN.
AND I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE IN FAIRVIEW DESERVE A FARMER'S MARKET JUST LIKE EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.
AND WE'VE NEVER, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY TOOK A RISK WHEN WE APPROVED THE FARMER'S MARKET ON EAST HARSDALE AVENUE YEARS AGO.
AND I FEEL PEOPLE ARE GONNA LIKE THIS.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY, UH, GATHERING PLACE, UH, WHERE THERE'S FOOD, WHERE THERE'S VENDORS.
CARL SOCIALIZATION, PLEASE LET HER GUEST SPEAK.
CAN WE PLEASE LET HER GUEST SPEAK PLEASE? SHE'S BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO SPEAK.
I AM THE FARMER'S MARKET MANAGER.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS.
THE FIRST THING I WANNA ADDRESS IS THAT WE HAVE A VERY DYNAMIC, PROFESSIONAL, AND EFFICIENT FARMER'S MARKET TEAM.
LAST YEAR WE DID NOT GET ONE COMPLAINT.
EVERYTHING WAS COMPLIED, EVERYTHING WAS DONE PROFESSIONALLY.
WE SERVICED OUR PUBLIC, WE OFFERED THEM THE BEST VENDORS.
AND A LOT OF OUR VENDORS ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS SUCH AS MYSELF.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY A LOT OF OUR VENDORS ARE RETURNING FOR THIS YEAR.
NUMBER TWO, WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A CONTRACT, YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOUR CLIENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS IN THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO ADDRESS WHATEVER SERVICES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RENDER.
YOU BOTH AGREE WITH IT AND THEN BOTH PARTIES SIGN.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE HERE TODAY.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS TO OPEN THIS FARMER'S MARKET.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS CONTRACT RESOLUTE TODAY.
WHAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OUT? TAKEN OUT, WHAT'S GONNA BE PUT IN, PUT IN SO THAT IT CAN BE FINALIZED SO THAT WE CAN BE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
THE NEXT THING THAT I WANNA ADDRESS IS THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT FOOD INSECURITY FOR ONE PARTICULAR RACIAL GROUP.
THIS IS FOR INSECURITY FOR HUMAN BEINGS OVERALL, WHO ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN SOCIOECONOMIC, UM, LEVEL.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS MARKET.
AND THE FACT IS THAT US SITTING HERE, GOING BACK AND FORTH, IS NOT GONNA MAKE THIS CONTRACT FINALIZED ANY FASTER.
THE FACT THAT JIM STARR ENTERTAINMENT AND ALL OF THE, UH, THE FARMER'S MARKET TEAM, WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH EVERY SINGLE REQUEST THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA ADDRESS VERY QUICKLY IS THAT AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND A VENDOR IN 10 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY KIND OF DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THE PELA FORM PRESENTED BEFORE ME AT ANY TIME, AT ANY VENUE,
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ANY STREET FAIR.I'VE DONE FEARS IN JERSEY ALL OVER WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
SO THAT P FORM IS, IS IRRELEVANT THAT NO VENDOR, WHETHER I'VE KNOWN THEM OR JUST MET THEM, HAVE NEVER HAD TO SIGN ANY KIND OF FORM THAT YOU HAVE TO BE FINGERPRINTED, YOU HAVE TO PAY FEES.
NORMALLY WITH ANY KIND OF VENDORING, YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION, YOUR GENERAL INFORMATION, YOU PAY FOR YOUR SPOT AND THAT'S IT.
SO I THINK IT'S INSULTING TO US, THE FAIRVIEW GREENBERG FARMER'S MARKET TEAM AND TO GEMSTAR ENTERTAINMENT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING PROFESSIONALLY, EFFICIENTLY, AND PERSISTENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FARMER'S MARKET IN ANY OTHER TOWN IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, THAT IT'S THE SAME QUALITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE TO THE RESIDENTS HERE IN GREENBURG AND PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FROM AFAR.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I, THE, THE FINGERPRINTING LAW FOR PEDDLER'S LICENSE IS, IS AN OLDER LAW AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT SEPARATELY.
SO IT WAS PUT IN THERE BECAUSE IT IS IN THE LAW.
SO IT WAS NOT SPECIFIC TO YOU, BUT I UNDERSTAND SPECIFIC NO, UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND, WE UNDERSTAND.
WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT FOR SURE.
EVEN PENTACLE DAM, THEY, WE JUST, THERE WAS A BIG HUGE FESTIVAL OVER A HUNDRED SOMETHING VENDORS, 200 VENDORS.
NONE OF THEM WERE FINGERPRINTED.
NONE OF THEM WERE FINGERPRINTED.
YOU FILLED OUT YOUR APPLICATION, YOU SENT IN YOUR, YOUR MONEY AND THAT WAS IT.
YOU GOT AND YOU GOT ASSIGNED YOUR VENDOR SPACE.
AND I'VE DONE THAT FESTIVAL FOR FIVE YEARS IN A ROW.
AND THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'VE DONE AS LONG AS ANY OTHER OPEN PUBLIC, UH, FESTIVAL.
SO I JUST THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, THE DAMAGE, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING, ATHENA.
THE DAMAGE CONTROL THAT WE HAD TO DO TO SAVE THOSE VENDORS WAS OUT OF CONTROL TO THE POINT WE, ME, ATHENA AND I, ALL OF US WERE ALMOST IN TEARS WITH HEADACHES BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE THAT WE GOT FROM THE VENDORS.
THEY FELT, THEY FELT LIKE YOU, I CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE HOW THEY FELT READING WHAT THEY READ.
IT WASN'T, IT WAS, IT WAS A SLAP TO THEIR FACE AND THEY COULDN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT WE WAS, AND THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WHAT, WHY WE DIDN'T GET THIS LAST YEAR? WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT SAME APPLICATION LAST YEAR IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE SAME VENDORS AND THEN THE REST WE HAVE TO, LIKE, THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS LIKE THEY'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
SO, SO FOR US TO EVEN GET THAT AT THE TAIL END, 'CAUSE WE ONLY GOT THAT THE OTHER DAY, LAST WEEK TO SET, TO SLAP TO THE VENDORS ON TOP OF OUR APPLICATION WAS WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS.
SO WE HAD, I MEAN, THE DAMAGE CONTROL THAT WE HAD TO DO TO SALVAGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM ALMOST BACK.
AND, AND BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST LIKE, THEY NEVER HEARD OF NOTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY WERE NOT WORKING FOR THE CITY OR THE STATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST A LOT.
BUT I JUST WANNA SAY LASTLY THAT THE REASON WHY THEY'RE RETURNING, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY LOOKED AT OUR DEMEANOR, THEY LOOKED AT HOW WE RAN THE MARKET AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE RETURNING.
SO I JUST WANT THIS TO, WE WANT THIS TO BE FINALIZED TODAY.
LET'S WORK IT THROUGH, LET'S MAKE IT REASONABLE AND LET'S LET IT BE RESPECTABLE SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE MARKET ON SATURDAY AND MAKE IT THE BEST SUMMER THAT IT CAN BE.
AND I GUESS ONTO, JUST ON THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS, IS THAT WE HAVE, THIS HAS BEEN DONE WITH NOT JUST A LABOR OF LOVE, BUT WITH, WITH EVERY DOLLAR THAT I POSSIBLY COULD POUND UP OUTTA MY OWN EXPENSES.
I DON'T WANT ANYONE IN THIS TOWN TO THINK THAT, THAT ANYONE HAS GIVEN US ANY MONEY TOWARDS THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T.
THE TOWN PEOPLE THOUGHT THE TOWN PAID US TO, TO BE IN FRONT OF THE MARKET.
WE, I DIDN'T RECEIVE A SALARY.
ATHENA DIDN'T RECEIVE A SALARY OTHER THAN FROM GEMSTAR AND THE OTHER MARKET MANAGERS AND THE OTHER, THE SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON.
THAT'S THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT GOT PAID.
AND, AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE VENDOR'S FEES.
IT, I, I JUST WANNA JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE.
NOBODY'S RUNNING DOWN THE BLOCK MAKING MILLIONS OFF OF $45 PER VENDOR.
BASED ON THE OVERHEAD, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF INSURANCE THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT, NOBODY'S GONNA TAKE THIS, THIS HUGE UNDERTAKING ON, UNLESS THEY HAVE A TRUE LOVE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, UNLESS THEY TRULY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KELBY, I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE IMPUGNING YOUR INTENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US WANT TO SEE, NOT SEE
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THE MARKET.I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO WORK OUT THE CONTRACT.
IT IT WAS FIRST IT WAS, I HAD TO INSURE HERE.
THEN I HAD TO TURN AROUND AND ENSURE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THE TOWN.
AND THEN I HAD TO ENSURE IT, IT, IF YOU LOOK AT MY INSURANCE CERTIFICATE AND YOU SEE THE 20 DIFFERENT NAMES THAT I HAVE TO INSURE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, WE, WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT UP THE INSURANCE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAS NEVER SEEN THAT MANY PEOPLE ON A POLICY.
SO CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH THIS LINE BY LINE AND THEN BASICALLY, UH, HAVE A VOTE ON EACH THING AND WE'LL SEE IF THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, AGREE, THEN THAT'S THAT FOR THAT, THAT SECTION, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL JUST DO LINE BY LINE, UH, UH, MATTER BY MATTER VOTES, AND WE'LL SEE IF WE GET THREE VOTES ON ANYTHING.
WELL, I, I THINK IT'S ALL VERY DOABLE, BUT THE SHED IS A PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU'RE MAKING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET WITHOUT THE SHED.
UM, I CAN, I CANNOT UNDERMINE OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF WHEN THEY TELL ME SOMETHING.
THEY HAVE REASONABLE REASONS FOR HAVING IT.
THAT WAS RECONFIRMED TO ME WHEN I HEARD THAT MARK SOJA WOULDN'T HAVE THE SHED BECAUSE OF LIABILITY WHEN BISHOP PRESTON WOULDN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE OF LIABILITY.
SO IT'S THAT, IF THAT'S YOUR LINE IN THE SAND, I THINK THAT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF US, YOU KNOW, UNTIL, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONE OF US WAS, WAS REALLY GO, YOU KNOW, GUNG HO ON THIS FOOD INSECURITY AND ADDRESSING IT.
THAT'S THE LINE IN SAN FRANCIS ADDRESS.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING IS WHAT I BELIEVE.
SO LET, LET'S TAKE OUT THE LINE OF THE SAND AND LET'S WORK IT OUT ASKING FOR WHAT EVERY OTHER FARMER'S MARKET HAS.
SIMPLY COLBY, SIMPLY, IF OTHERS DIDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T ASK FOR IT.
THEY HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S OF CONVENIENCE.
THEY HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO GET THEIR THINGS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO LUG IT BACK AND FORTH.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE OTHER FARMER'S MARKETS ARE AND, AND OTHER FARMER'S MARKET MANAGERS, THEY'RE WOMEN.
THEY'RE WOMEN CARRYING AND TUGGING THESE TABLES AND, AND, AND PICKING THEM UP AND DOING ALL OF THESE STRENUOUS THINGS.
IT, IT, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU MAY SEE A FEW MEN THAT, I MEAN, I BELIEVE, UH, UH, WHAT IS THIS HERE? UM, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE NAME RIGHT NOW, BUT THEIR MARKET HAS A, I BELIEVE HIS, HE IS A GENTLEMAN THAT'S THE MARKET MANAGER OVER THERE.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A REASON BEHIND HAVING A SHED AT A FARMER'S MARKET.
WHAT ABOUT DOING IT IN BACK OF, SAY, THE YOSEMITE PARK, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CONCERTS ARE THEN I WOULD HAVE TO ENSURE THAT NO, I'M TALKING NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IF THE TOWN WOULD SAY YOU COULD PUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT, WHERE THAT CIRCLE IS, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CONCERTS ARE.
THERE'S LIKE AN AREA, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN AREA THAT THEY, THERE'S LIKE A BUILDING OVER THERE AND, AND IF THEY PUT IT RIGHT NEAR THE BUILDING OVER THERE, I THINK THAT COULD WORK.
BECAUSE IF, I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AS ALMOST LIKE A CO-SPONSORSHIP, UH, BECAUSE IT IS JUST, IT'S BASICALLY AN EVENT THAT WE WANNA HAVE.
BASICALLY, IT'S A DESTINATION POINT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY AND APPRECIATE AND BENEFIT FROM.
LET, LET'S, LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE THE SHED OFF THE TABLE FOR A MOMENT.
LET'S GET THE OTHER THINGS OUTTA THE WAY.
AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
ONE VOTE ONE OUTTA THREE, WE NEED THREE VOTES.
WELL, HE COULD VOTE AGAINST IT.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE EVERYTHING ELSE OFF THE TABLE IN THE CONTRACT.
THE SHED WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER STUFF.
'CAUSE WE KEEP GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE A SHED VOTE ON EACH ONE AND SEE WHAT ARE YOU TAKING? ARE YOU TAKING BACK WHAT YOU PUT IN AN EMAIL? SHE CONVINCED ME NEED TO PAY.
SHE CONVINCED ME THAT THAT GEMSTAR NEEDS TO PAY POLICE.
THE G I WANT, I BELIEVE YOU'RE MOVING, YOU'RE NO LONGER ADVOCATING THAT I'M, I'M NO LONGER, I BASICALLY SAY, AND I FEEL THAT THEY, SHE MADE A VERY COMPELLING CASE.
I FEEL THAT FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET TO SUCCEED, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS TO HAVE THE SHED.
SO I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD MAKE.
WELL, LET'S, I WANNA CALL A QUESTION PAUL, PLEASE.
CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE THE OTHER THINGS OFF THE TABLE? NO, LET'S HAVE A VOTE ON, SO LET'S START, LET'S START WITH THE, THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE A VOTE ON THE SHE ISSUE.
I, YOU KNOW,
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SAY IF WE COULD FIND A SAFE LOCATION? IT COULD BE THE BACK OVER HERE.
IT COULD BE IN BACK OF THE, UH, THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE THERE'S NO SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE WOULD THEN LED, UH, THE, UH, THE MARKET BASICALLY, UH, HAVE A SHED ON TOWN PROPERTY.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A MORE ACCEPTABLE
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LOCATION.I FEEL NOT UP, THAT'S NOT UP TO ME TO BE FIND IT ACCEPTABLE IF THERE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT'S SHED ATTORNEY.
NO, BUT OUR ATTORNEY, BUT I'M NOT, THE THING IS, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S RISKS FOR ANYTHING WE DO WHEN WE HAVE THE INDOOR POOL.
THERE'S RISKS THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA DROWN.
THERE'S RISKS THAT THERE, THERE'S RISKS THAT WHEN WE HAVE A BASKETBALL GAME, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET HIT.
LET'S JUST GET TO THE POINT HERE.
THERE, THERE'S RISK FOR EVERYTHING WE DO IN THIS.
WHAT ARE THE, THE, THE, LET, LET'S TAKE PICK ONE, BOB.
ALRIGHT, ARE WE CANCELING THE REST OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THE LATEST COUNSEL? THIS IS IMPORTANT.
PAULA AND CANCELING LET'S COUNCIL, OR WE CANCEL? WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY TRAVELED HERE, RIGHT? OH, THEY WERE COMING.
ARE THEY GONNA BE HERE IN 10 MINUTES? WELL, WE HAVE TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
THAT IS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
JOE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PICK SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT FIRST? IT, IT'S A LITTLE ODD TO GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO YOUR CLIENTS OUT IN AN OPEN SESSION.
I, I WILL SAY, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO ONE AREA THAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE 50% BEING SELLERS OF AFFORDABLE, FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.
I, I THINK WE COULD WORK OUT LANGUAGE AND WE HAVE TO DRAFT IT OUT TO JUST SAY A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OR, OR WHATEVER WORDING.
I, THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WE HAD IS THAT, AS GINA POINTED OUT, THE CONTRACT YOU DRAFTED SAID 50% OF AT LEAST THREE HAD TO BE SELLING AFFORDABLE, WHICH IS LIKE ONE AND A HALF.
I'M, I'M SAYING TAKE 50% OUT ALTOGETHER.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT YOU WROTE ME IN AN EMAIL WAS THAT IT'S, UH, HEY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
OKAY? I DON'T, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD.
LET'S NOT BE CONFRONTATIONAL ANYMORE.
BUT, BUT AS WE, BUT AS, AS WE DISCUSSED THE OTHER NIGHT, IF SOMEBODY HAS A SUBSTANTIAL, LIKE YOU'VE SENT US AN EMAIL THAT THERE WERE FIVE TABLES, SIX PAID LONG, WHICH I SAID THAT SHOULDN'T COUNT AS ONE VENDOR, RIGHT? THAT COULD COUNT AS MULTIPLE VENDORS.
I THINK IT, IT EXPRESSES THE INTENT THAT THIS IS, UH, GOING TO BE AIMED AT FOOD INSECURITY AND ADDRESSING, UH, THAT BY, BY PROVIDING FARM FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE TABLE, RIGHT? IT'S ONE, ONE OF THE THREE VENDORS HAS, IT'S COMMITTED TO FIVE TABLES.
LET ME, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS BASICALLY? SO, SO THERE WILL BE, SO THE LANGUAGE COULD BE THEN THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL.
UH, SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF VENDORS, YES.
PURVEYING, UH, FOOD STUFFS REASONABLY COST FOOD STUFFS FRESH.
WHICH INCLUDE FRESH PRODUCE AND ET CETERA.
AND YOU SAID THAT, EXCUSE ME, SIR, THERE'S AT LEAST THREE.
THE, THE ISSUE WAS THAT, UH, THERE WAS TO BE THREE VENDORS SELLING FOOD OR GOODS AT ANY GIVEN TIME OR, OR GOODS.
THE ISSUE WAS, I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN.
WAS WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT 50% OF THREE OR 50% OF 17? BUT WE'VE ALREADY FOUND LANGUAGE THAT SATISFIES ALL PARTIES WE'RE FINE.
SO WHY ARE WE HARPING ON THAT? SO LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT NOT FOR PROFITS.
SO CAN I SUGGEST THAT WE INSTEAD INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT WE ENCOURAGE VENDORS TO ACCEPT THE SNAP BENEFITS, SINCE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT WAS ONLY ADDED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS MENTIONED.
SO LET'S, SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEET WITH EVERYBODY'S, CAN WE REMOVE THE, UH, PROPER DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED TO THE TOWN PRIOR TO THE START OF EACH INDIVIDUAL VENDOR SELLING FOOD OR GOODS? OR DOES THAT MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN, WELL, THAT WAS, BUT THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT.
SO THAT, SO THAT MEAN TAKING OUT ALSO, NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS FOLKS.
CAN I ASK ABOUT THE PEDDLERS FORM FOR A SECOND? BECAUSE IT IS PART OF OUR CODE? YEAH.
HYPOTHETICALLY, JUST SPEAKING OUT LOUD, WHAT IF THE WAIVER WAS NOT ONLY FOR THE FEES, BUT FOR THE FINGERPRINTING AS WELL? I WOULDN'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU WAIVE OF THAT CODE PROVISION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING NO TO MY SUGGESTION AND SUGGESTING SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU WAIVE, WHICH WAS, WHICH I HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WAIVE ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION THREE 90 OF THE TOWN CODE.
WITH RESPECT TO THESE VENDORS, IS THERE A LABOR PROVISION? YOU DON'T REQUIRE IT WHEN, WHEN GINA HAS HER, UH, UH, UH, THING OR OTHERS HAVE PROVIDED THEIR THING, YOU DON'T REQUIRE IT THERE.
WHY ARE YOU REQUIRING IT HERE? IT SEEMS SELECTIVE.
AND I'D ASK THAT, THAT, THAT YOU WAIVE IT, UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED IT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T ASK THEM TO DO IT LAST YEAR.
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UM, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, POPPED OFF WITHOUT A HITCH.AND, AND KEEP, IS THERE A WAIVER PROVISION? I THINK BY
AND I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS AN APP FOR THE SOLAR FESTIVAL.
WE HAD THE BEST, WHEN WE HAD THE FESTIVALS, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION AND THAT JUST PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION.
SO I JUST DON'T WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I WAIVE THAT WHOLE THING THAT I
NO, NO, WE NEVER IMPLYING THAT, RIGHT? NO, BUT IN, BUT ON, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, ON TOP OF IT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE PETALS FORM.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD HAVE A LIST OF THE VENDORS.
LIKE I THINK WE WERE HAPPY TO PROVIDE A LIST OF THE VENDORS, UM, SO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
BUT I THINK, BUT I THINK THAT THE WAIVE ENFORCEMENT OF TOWN LAW, UH, THREE, THE TOWN CODE SECTION THREE 90 BE REMOVED FROM STATE THAT IT'S WAIVED.
STATE THAT IT'S WAIVED, STATE THAT IT'S WAIVE.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
YOU OUGHT, YOU OUGHT, YOU OUGHT TO READ IT.
AND LOOK WHAT ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT HAVE SUCCESSFUL PERFORM.
LET'S MOVE ON TO, AGAIN, THAT WAS ENACTED IN 1990.
IT'S NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY BEING BROUGHT UP NOW FOR THIS MARKET.
BUT WHAT WE WERE SAYING, IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP LAST YEAR.
THAT'S BEING MADE, MADE LOT OF THINGS.
I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT, UH, THE CLAUSE ABOUT THE POLICE, UM, UH, THAT, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF, OF COURSE, AS THE POLICE CHIEF SHALL HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DECIDE IF A POLICE PRESENCE IS NECESSARY.
THAT'S WHAT HE, THAT'S HIS JOB.
BUT THE TOTAL COST, THE CLAUSE ABOUT TOTAL COST BEING BILLED TO GEMSTAR AND MUST BE PAID WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
IF ONE MAKES THE DEAL, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS IF A PERSON, SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CLAUSE? THE TAXPAYERS.
BECAUSE WHENEVER THERE'S AN ACT, UH, REQUIRING, UH, THE POLICE TO HAVE TO COME AND DEAL WITH IT, WE ALL PAY.
THAT'S THE PRICE OF LIVING IN A TOWN.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN I'VE HAD POLICE COME TO MY HOUSE, I GOTTA BILL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, FORGOT A BILL.
I I SUGGEST YOU FIND A LAWYER,
UH, THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A MATTER WE ALL HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF PAYING FOR.
AND IF THE CHIEF OF P CHIEF OF POLICE, POLICE BELIEVES IN GOOD FAITH, THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S A, A NEED FOR POLICE PRESENCE THERE, UM, THE CIRCUMSTANCES WILL DICTATE, UH, WHY THEY'RE, WHY, WHY THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
BUT IN NO WAY DOES THAT MEAN AUTOMATICALLY, THEREFORE SHE HAS TO PAY COLBY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD BE THAT WOULD RENDER THE POLICE.
UH, SO WE'RE TAKING OUT THE COST TAKE.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THE, UH, SHED, UH, NO, BEFORE THE SHED.
BEFORE THE SHED, HE SAID LASTLY,
ULTIMATELY, UH, I THINK THE TOWN CAN, UH, UH, IN CLAUSE 12, UH, THE TOWN CAN CERTAINLY, UM, UH, UH, REQUEST THAT ALL PARKING REGULATIONS BE STRICTLY OBEYED.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO THEN SAY, AND THE FAILURE FOR EITHER GEMSTAR VENDORS OR VISITING RESIDENTS TO, TO, TO PARK PROPERLY WOULD THEN BE GROUNDS FOR RENDERING THE EVENT AN UNSAFE EVENT.
UM, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A POLICE PRESENCE.
WELL, IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN CONSISTENTLY, I THINK THAT IS A CONCERN.
WELL, SO LET'S COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT I THINK, I THINK HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT HOW, HOW, HOW ABOUT YES, COUNSEL, GOOD CARS PARKED ILLEGALLY WILL BE TICKETED AND TOWED.
WHAT CHAIR? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE REASON THAT WAS PUT IN THERE, I'M SORRY.
AS WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THE AREA, AND WE WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO IF THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA, WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE PARKING REGULATIONS CORRECTLY.
AND THAT THERE ARE SPOTS WITHIN THE GENERAL FACIL, YOU KNOW, VICINITY THAT PEOPLE CAN PARK.
SO, AND THIS WAS PART OF A DISCUSSION, I'M SORRY, THIS WAS PART OF A DISCUSSION.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TOW TRUCKS TO GET ALL THE CARS THAT ARE GONNA BE PARKING.
IF THEY'RE PARKING ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.
AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS IF YOU TOA VEHICLE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT VEHICLE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FILE
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A PAPER SAYING YOU HAVE NOW SEIZED THE VEHICLE.YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA TOW MORE THAN TWO OR THREE CARS AT NIGHT.
IF THAT BECOMES UNMANAGEABLE, AND, AND IT'S STILL A SAFETY HAZARD, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME RELIEF OUT.
WHY DON'T WE WAIT AND SEE IF THAT REALLY COMES TO PASS.
IT'S CERTAINLY TICKETING, UH, PAR CARS THAT ARE PARKED ILLEGALLY, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT IS CERTAINLY WITHIN THE TOWN'S PREROGATIVE TO DO.
YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT IN A CONTRACT.
SO I'D WANNA GET THE CHIEF'S OPINION ABOUT THAT.
ONCE, WHEN, WHEN WE ALL GO UP TO THE PARK AND WE PARK UP THERE JUST TO GO UP TO THE PARK OVER THERE, PEOPLE, I PARK OVER THERE ILLEGALLY, BUT WE, NOBODY'S OVER THERE RUNNING AOK.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PARKING ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.
AND THEN WE LEAVE, PEOPLE GET IN THEIR CAR AND THEY LEAVE.
TELL WHAT YOU SAY THAT YOU PARKED ILLEGALLY.
I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, LISTEN, I'M QUITE SURE YOU PARKED THERE TOO, MS. JACKSON.
BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I'M, LISTEN, GINA, I'M QUITE SURE YOU'VE DONE IT TOO.
WE ALL HAVE, IN THIS TOWN, WE ALL HAVE ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
WE DO IT WHEN WE GO TO MITE, WE ALL IN THAT CIRCLE RIGHT THERE, A HUNDRED CARS.
NOBODY HAS NEVER BEEN TOWED OR TICKETED OR TICKETED.
THE POLICE CHIEF HAS STATED THAT IT, YES, YOU PUT A TICKET ON THE CAR, THOSE CARS PARKED ON MANHATTAN AVENUE ARE STILL A HAZARD FOR CHILDREN, PARTICULARLY ON SATURDAY, WHERE THEY COULD RUN ACROSS AND GET, GET HIT WITH A CAR.
BUT IT IS ENTIRELY INAPPROPRIATE TO MAKE THE BURDEN, SHIFT THE BURDEN OF ENFORCING PARKING RESTRICTIONS ONTO GEMSTAR AND HER MARKET MANAGERS AND HAVE THEM POLICING MANHATTAN AVENUE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS BEYOND WHAT THAT PROVISION IS SUPPOSED TO DO, IS THAT IF THEY CAN'T CONTROL IT WITH TOWING.
AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MANY TO HOW MANY CARS COULD ACTUALLY BE TOWED.
THE FACT THAT THE CARS ARE THERE, WHERE THEY HAVE A TICKET ON IT OR NOT, OR A BOOT OR NOT, DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE HAZARD TO THE CHILDREN.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF BEFORE I DISCUSSED THAT ONE.
WELL, WE HAVE, WE NEED THREE VOTES.
SO WE, SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE PERSON CAN'T DECIDE.
WE AIN'T GOTTA GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT, BUT OKAY.
NO, I'M NOT GONNA UNDERMINE THAT.
OKAY, SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE WON.
WHY? WHAT DOES OTHER PEOPLE THINK? THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
SO YOU LEGALLY WILL BE TICKETED AND TOWED.
AND ADINA, AND YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY AND ADINA AND COLBY.
SO WHAT WE CAN ASK IS, YOU KNOW, JUST A CONSIDERATION OF, I'M SORRY, IT'S ATHENA.
I'M SORRY, ATHENA, LIKE THE GREEK GODDESS ATHENA.
UM, SO LET, LET'S YOU KNOW THAT YOU MAKE SURE YOUR VENDORS ARE PARKED IN A, IN A LEGITIMATE FASHION, AND YOU WILL ENFORCE THAT.
WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS RIGHT.
EVEN HERE, WE MADE SURE THAT EVERYBODY PARKED WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PARK AND WE CONTROLLED IT VERY WELL.
SO NOTHING WON'T BE ANY DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR THING TO FAR PARKED TO LEGAL LEE WILL BE TICKETED AND TOWED PERIOD ON THE EXPENSE.
UH, I'M NOT SUPPORTING THAT UNTIL I HEAR FROM THE POLICE CHIEF.
WE NEED TO GET THAT RESOLVED BEFORE WE GO INTO THE NEXT ISSUE.
WELL, DO YOU WANNA, SO KEN, YOU, YOU'RE AND I, SO WE NEED ONE MORE VOTE.
ELLEN, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE ON THIS? WE'RE NOT READY TO VOTE YET.
WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THIS DISCUSSION.
FINISH THE DISCUSSION ON THE CONTRACT, GET IT ALL SORTED OUT, AND THEN WE VOTE.
SO THE LAST THING IS TO SHARE.
SO LET'S DISCUSS THE SHED MOVE ON TO THE SHED.
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT, UH, YOU ALLOW THE SHED TO BE PLACED THERE TEMPORARILY, UH, IN THE PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THAT IS THE WIDEST AREA, UM, ON ELM STREET, ON THE GRASS.
RICH, HAVE RICH, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
I, I THINK IF EVERYONE SAW THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE COULD IDENTIFY WHERE IT IS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
RICH V HAS HIS HAND UP, ISN'T IT ON THE WEBSITE? REG, GO AHEAD.
SO I, I WANT TO TALK TO THE SHE REAL QUICK AND, AND MISS ATHENA, MISS COLBY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW CHAIRS AND A TABLE.
THREE TABLES AND HALF A DOZEN CHANNELS.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KEEP, CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE MARKET.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON SATURDAY, RIGHT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IT'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING BELONGING TO THE VENDORS.
IT'S THINGS THAT BELONG SPECIFICALLY
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TO THE, TO THE MARKET TEAM.AND, AND JUST LIKE LAST YEAR, ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAD, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS AN A FRAME, AND MS. COLBY, THE THING WE JUST GOT BACK TO YOU, WE HAD STORED ON SITE.
IS IT SIMILAR TO THAT? IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT.
SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND MR. BERNSTEIN'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEY'RE VERY PROBLEMATIC TO US.
WE RICH
WE ALL WANT TO SEE THIS MARKET DO WELL AND BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AS I'M SHORT LOBBYING, NOT YET.
IF I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION, UH, I DON'T THINK KITTY LAND HAS A, A SHED ON SITE, BUT I THINK RIGHT DOWN THE STREET WE HAVE THE CENTER, THEY HAVE A, AN AREA THAT'S LOCKABLE OUTSIDE.
I'M SURE IF WE TALK TO COMMISSIONER TERRANCE JACKSON THAT ON SATURDAYS WHEN THEY HAVE STAFF ON SITE, THEY COULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST TO GET THAT EQUIPMENT OR THOSE TABLES AND CHAIRS UP TO THE SITE.
AND I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO TERRANCE WOULD BE A GOOD ONE ABOUT THIS.
BUT I, I'M SURE THAT'S COST SAVING TO THE, THE EVENT.
AND IT ALSO KEEPS OUR RIGHT AWAY FREE FROM ANY POTENTIAL HAZARD.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION.
WELL, IT WOULD, AGAIN, WE'VE JUST GOTTEN INTO THE LOOP ON THIS, I THINK A WEEK OR TWO AGO, AND WE WANT TO HELP.
I UNDERSTAND LAND USE, UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT STRUCTURES IN THE RIGHT WAY AND MR. STEIN'S A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
AND WE GET CLAIMS ALL THE TIME ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK IF THE TOWN IS LOOKING TO ASSIST IN THIS VENTURE, WHICH WE ALL WANT TO SEE SUCCESSFUL, LET'S TALK TO COMMISSIONER JACKSON ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING SOMETHING ON SITE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING AT
AND BROUGHT UP TO, UP TO, IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
AGAIN, THE COMMISSIONER'S SUGGESTION WAS THAT THE, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES STAFF MIGHT ASSIST, OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN THEY'RE WORKING, RIGHT? THEY'RE ON, YEAH, THEY'RE OPEN.
THAT PLACE IS OPEN CONSTANTLY.
VERY, VERY, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS.
SO FOR THE RECORD, WE CANNOT HAVE A SHED.
I I JUST WANT BE CLEAR, HAVING IT ANYWHERE, EVEN THERE'S A PORTA POTTY THAT'S THERE.
WE CAN'T HAVE IT ANYWHERE NEAR THERE.
THE SHED, WE ARE LOOKING TO LIMIT THE TOWN'S LIABILITY.
AND IF I, AND IF I, IF IN MY CONTRACT STATES THAT THE TOWN HAS ZERO LIABILITY FOR THE SHED THAT EVERY OTHER MARKET HAS IN THEIR PARKS, IN THEIR PARKING LOTS, IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR, UH, AREAS.
MS. COLBY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERY OTHER MARKETING.
AGAIN, THIS WAS BROUGHT TOWARDS A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND WE DO WANT TO HELP, AND I KNOW THERE'S A PROCEDURE IN PLACE, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING IN RIGHT OF WAY, THERE'S A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE PUT TOGETHER.
WE ALREADY, WHAT IF WE, WHY, WHY DON'T, WE WOULD CHANGE THE WORDING AND SAY TOWN WILL FIND, UM, UH, A LOCATION FOR THE SHED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE AND, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND UM, YOU KNOW, FI FINDS SAFE AND, UH, ACCEPTABLE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BREATHING ROOM AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LOCATION.
THERE'S DEFINITELY TOWN PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD USE FOR, UM, FOR THE SHED THAT IS CLOSE BY.
WELL, AND THE SHED, THE SHED'S GONNA COME AT AN EXPENSE, WHICH I THINK SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING TO LIMIT THE EXPENSES.
IF WE HAVE A BUILDING, RIGHT,
AND DO YOU KNOW HOW, HOW OUR STUFF CAN KEEP GETTING DAMAGED WITH THAT BACK AND FORTH STUFF, THROWING IT IN THE TRUCK AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF? NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SAYING EVERY OTHER MARKET HAS A SHED RIGHT NEAR THEIR FORM MARKET.
BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT PERIOD.
BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS JUST TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED.
IF WE BASICALLY COULD FIND SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW,
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COMPROMISE THAT, AND THEN WE COULD, THEN YOU COULD JUST GET YOUR APPROVALS AND, YOU KNOW, START THE MARKET ON SATURDAY.YOU KNOW, I FEEL IF WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, IF WE SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ANY SHED, THEN I FEEL WE'RE UNREASONABLE.
IF WE ARE SAYING WE'LL FIND A LOCATION THAT THE TOWN STAFF FEELS IS, UM, ACCEPTABLE, AND WE'LL WORK DILIGENTLY TO, UH, HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL BE CAREFUL.
YOU KNOW, OR, OR YOU COULD, YOUR PEOPLE COULD MOVE IT.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THE TOWN.
UM, THE TOWN STAFF, WE ALL WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND WE, WE KNOW THAT IT HAS TO START SATURDAY.
ALRIGHT? SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON EVERYTHING, BUT THE SHED, UH, THE SHED BY OUR TOWN STAFF IS, IS, IS A LIABILITY.
I'M NOT GONNA GO AGAINST OUR, OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
UM, BUT WHAT ABOUT JUST SO YOU COULD GET STARTED THIS WEEK.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S DRIVING THE STUFF THERE, GOOD FOR ONE WEEK, DRIVE THE STUFF BACK TO WHEREVER YOU, YOU BRING IT, AND THEN WE GIVES US SOME BREATHING ROOM TO START TO FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO WORDSMITH SOMETHING HERE, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY AT THE 11TH HOUR.
AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
BUT, UM, IF WE HAVE ONE ROADBLOCK, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO AWAY WITH THAT.
AND THEN WE COULD ALSO SEE THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET IS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, EVERYBODY'S LOOK THINKING IT'S GONNA BE THE WORST WHEN I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY MANAGEABLE AND WELL RUN.
AND I THINK EVERY, I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS TAKE A LOOK ON SATURDAY, THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH, WITH, UH, THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION, FRANCIS, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE OF, IF WE COULD GIVE YOU THE OKAY TO START ON SATURDAY, THEN WE, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WORK OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL USE OUR BEST CASE EFFORTS.
WE'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD WORK WITH, UH, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND, UH, UH, YOU COULD SPEAK TO TERRANCE, YOU COULD SPEAK TO JERRY, OR YOU COULD SPEAK TO TOWN ATTORNEY.
MAYBE WE COULD, UH, FIGURE OUT BETWEEN NOW AND SATURDAY, UH, YOU THE SHED LOCATION, UM, UM, AND, AND WORK IT OUT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE US DELAY.
IS IS THE PLAN TO VOTE TOMORROW AT TOMORROW NIGHT'S MEETING ON THIS CONTRACT? AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD PUT A COURT, IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
WELL, WE COULD GIVE THEM A, WE COULD GIVE THEM, UM, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT I'M SAYING JUST WHENEVER IT'S VOTED ON, CAN YOU DO A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT AFTERWARDS TO THEN FULLY DECIDE ON THE SHED ISSUE FOR THE REST OF THE OTHER ISSUES TERM? RIGHT.
IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE STILL, IF WE AGREE TODAY, CAN WE SAY THEY COULD START ON ON SATURDAY, YOU KNOW, ON SATURDAY.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT IT BEING ON THE AGENDA.
I MEAN, WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD HERE.
I REALLY HATE A SPECIAL WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRO THE, ON FRIDAY WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL YEAH, I'M AVAILABLE ON FRIDAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, I, I JUST REALLY FEEL THAT THEY STARTED PUBLICIZING IT.
PE YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE ON SUNDAY WHEN I WENT TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN, UH, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL EVENT AT, AT THE KENLEY, GO, DAMN PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE, I'D SAY AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE WENT UP AND SAID, I'M LOOKING FORWARD IT TO THE MARKET SO PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO I DON'T WANNA DIS, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE DISAPPOINTED.
AND THEY, THEY SHOW UP AND IT'S NOT THERE.
IF THE BOARD'S WILLING TO HAVE A SPECIAL WORK, UH, SESSION, SPECIAL MEETING, LIMITED TO THIS ONE ISSUE, RIGHT? THEN I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE SHOULD ACTUALLY FULL BLOWN WORK.
WE SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THE WORDING ON PAPER FOR A VOTE.
AND IF EVERYONE'S AVAILABLE ON FRIDAY, HAVE OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
BUT, BUT MEANWHILE, IN CONCEPT, WE'RE ALL BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PROCEED AND ASSUME THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY ALL IN AGREEMENT.
HOW SOON CAN THE CHANGES BE IMPLEMENTED IN THIS CONTRACT AGREED UPON AND SIGNED OFF BEFORE THE MARKET STARTS ON SATURDAY? THERE'S ONLY THREE DAYS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE VOTE ON IT ON FRIDAY.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT.
WELL, I MEAN, UH, I THINK, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, PRACTICAL THINGS LIKE THE FORMS THAT HAD TO BE FILLED OUT, I THINK THAT WE CAN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISPENSE WITH THE FORMS AND, UH, JUST PROVIDE A LIST OF THE VENDORS.
AND, UH, WE'LL PROVIDE A LIST OF THE VENDORS, WHICH IF YOU CAN GET TO ME TODAY, THAT'S FINE.
UH, PROVIDED TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY IN THE MORNING OR TONIGHT MM-HMM.
AND, UH, I, UH, I ASSUMED THE TOWN ATTORNEY CAN REVISE THIS CONTRACT AND GET IT BACK TO ME.
AND I WILL PROMPTLY REVIEW IT.
UH, AND, UH, UH, WE'LL HAVE A SAVINGS CLAUSE FOR THE SHED ISSUE.
OH, LOOK, IT'S COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
OH, I WONDER HOW YOU TELL HIM THAT HE'S, NOW I WONDER HOW, WOW.
I'LL TELL YOU THIS IS, THIS IS SO ORCHESTRATED HERE.
WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK IT OUT.
HE'S CAME TO SAVE THE DAY TRYING WORK IT OUT.
I JUST TEXTED HIM, HE'S FIVE MINUTES AWAY.
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I COULD STEP UP, TERRANCE, AND WE HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF AS WELL.WE WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THIS.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THIS ALL OUT.
UH, ONE PIECE I MUST SAY THAT I FIRST HEARD SO, AND TRUST ME, DIDN'T WANT IT THIS WAY.
WE HAD A WATER MAIN BREAK AT YOSS OF MIKE PARK TODAY.
I HEARD THE SHED BEING TALKED ABOUT THERE.
SO EVERYTHING HAS TO COME OUT OF THAT SHED.
SO NOTHING'S GOING IN THERE SOON.
UH, I'M WORRIED ABOUT OUR, UM, FAMILY DAY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT, UH, THE WATER SLIDES AND THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN, THE BATHROOMS ARE DOWN.
AND WE'LL BE DOWN FOR A WHILE.
SO I HEARD THAT COME UP AT ONE POINT AND I SAID, ALL RIGHT, THAT'S MORE REASON WHY WE NEED A WEEK TO FIGURE OUT THE SHADOW CHAIRS FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, I, AT THE LAST PART I HEARD ABOUT, UM, SOME TABLES AND CHAIRS GOING INTO THE BUILDING.
SOME I CAN DO, BUT WE ARE VERY LIMITED.
AND IT IS SUMMER CAMP WITH SPACE, WHAT, THREE TABLES? SIX CHAIRS.
WE COULD FIND A SPOT FOR THAT.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING, AND WOULD YOU BE WILLING, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PRO PROVIDE STAFF TO HELP MOVE IT ON SATURDAYS FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SITE AND THEN AT THE END, FROM THE SITE TO THE BUILDING? WHAT TIME WOULD THE ENDING BE? WHAT TIME IS THE ENDING? AT TWO O'CLOCK? I THINK THAT COULD BE DONE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
WE THINK YOU'RE A GREAT COMMISSIONER.
UM, THE QUESTION IS, IS IS THAT NECESSARY? AND WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN? WELL, THE INITIAL CONCERN WAS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE END OF JUNE, YOU KNOW, WITH SPRING SUMMER COMING, WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN PLAYING SCHOOL OUT.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CROSSING THE STREET, KIDS RUNNING ACROSS, RIDING THEIR BIKES, HAVING VEHICLES PARKED ON THE SIDE OF MANHATTAN AVENUE FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT FROM IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, POSES A RISK TO THOSE PEDESTRIANS.
UM, AND UH, THAT'S PART OF WHY THERE'S NO PARKING ALLOWED THERE.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS DONE IN A WAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE PARKING THERE CREATING THAT RISK.
SO IF, IF THE, UH, CONTRACT SAID THAT, UH, CARS PARKED ILLEGALLY WILL BE TICKETED AND TOWED, UH, WILL THAT SATISFY YOUR CONCERN? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IF IT GIVES ME THE AUTHORITY TO OBVIOUSLY SUMMONS OR IF NECESSARY REMOVE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALWAYS HOPE THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY.
BUT, UM, IF IT IS, THEN CHIEF, DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE, I JUST HOPE THAT THEY DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN ALSO TO JUST PREVENT IT FROM BECOMING, WHICH THEY HAVE AGREED TO.
BUT, BUT, UH, WHAT THEY DON'T WANT IS, UH, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I'M CURIOUS, DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TICKET AND TOW, TOW ILLEGALLY PARKED CARS ON MANHATTAN AVENUE? YES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S JUST, I, FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PARKING THERE.
BUT IF WE HAVE AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL PARK, WHETHER THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK.
I WOULD LOVE TO PREVENT IT FROM BEGINNING, FROM BECOMING AN ISSUE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T HAVE BECAUSE IT GOES TO RISK.
BUT I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE TOWN DEPUTIZE, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ORGANIZING THIS MARKET AND MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THE PARKING RULES ON MANHATTAN AVENUE, IT IT, IT IS A MATTER OF, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE 'CAUSE OF THE MARKET PAUSE REALITY.
SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO DISCOURAGE, ASSIST US IN PREVENTING IT FROM BECOMING A PROBLEM, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
IF IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM, IT WASN'T A PROBLEM FOR THE MARKET.
IF THE MARKET HAS TO CEASE SO THAT IT CEASES TO BE A PROBLEM, WELL THAT'S NOT MY OPEN GOAL.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT ACTION IF NECESSARY.
I'M REALLY, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR COOPERATION, I THINK.
BUT I THINK THAT EVERYONE SAID THEY'RE OFFERING COOPERATION.
WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO, AND I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING, UM, I CAN HEAR, BUT IT'S LIKE LOW VOLUME FOR ME AND MY
IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ME NOT BEING CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MIC.
IT'S, IT'S BOB, IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, BOB.
UH, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT, UH, THE FOLKS TO MY LEFT AND MY RIGHT HAVE AGREED TO COOPERATE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT AND RUN THE RISK THAT YOU WILL USE THIS CONTRACT AS AUTHORITY TO SHUT DOWN THE MARKET IF
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PEOPLE PARK ILLEGALLY ON MANHATTAN AVENUE, WHETHER IT'S RELATED TO THE MARKET OR NOT, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE I DON'T, I'M SORRY.I THINK THE MAIN CONCERN HERE IS THE, THE FOLKS TO MY LEFT AND RIGHT HAVE SAID THEY'RE GONNA COOPERATE AND, AND, UH, DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE ILLEGAL PARKING.
BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, THEY DON'T WANNA BE RUNNING THE RISK THAT YOU WILL DETERMINE THAT THERE'S UNSAFE PARKING ON MANHATTAN AVENUE AND THEREFORE YOU WILL EXERCISE AUTHORITY TO SHUT DOWN THE MARKET REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
UM, ONE THING IS, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DO THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES MAY TAKE NECESSARY.
I'M QUITE HOPEFUL THAT THEY WON'T.
AND SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WHY DON'T WE TAKE A WAIT AND SEE ATTITUDE AND SEE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.
I GUESS THE CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, THEN WHAT RECOURSE DO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT? YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TICKET AND TOW AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT OUR EVEN HAVING TO PUT IT IN A CONTRACT.
SO I'M HOPING FOR THE PREVENTATIVE MEASURE VERSUS THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CONTRACTS WITH ANYBODY? ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CONTRACTS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WITH ANYONE WHERE THE PRIVATE PARTY PRIVATE TAXPAYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THE PARKING RULES UNDER PENALTY OF, OF YOUR TAKING, UH, ACTION AGAINST THEM PERSONALLY? THE THING IS, THE TAXPAYER IS USING A PUBLIC RULE EVEN THOUGH THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MEASURES TAKEN TO ALLOW PARKING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HOPEFULLY BE COMING TO USE IT.
AGAIN, MY ISSUE IS I'M NOT HOPEFUL TO HAVE TO STOP ANYTHING.
I'D LOVE TO SEE IT BE SUCCESSFUL.
THE ISSUE IS IF CIRCUMSTANCES ARISE WHERE WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE, I CAN PUT TICKETS ON CARS.
WHY DON'T, WHY? YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT? SO CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE DOUBLE DOWN ON THE NO PARKING SIGNAGE BY PERHAPS PUTTING SAWHORSES THAT SAY NO PARKING ALONG MANHATTAN AVENUE TO MAKE, TO, TO REALLY REINFORCE THE NOTION THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT PARK THERE.
AND I THINK YOU CAN ALSO PUT UP SIGNS OR ABSOLUTELY.
I SAID SIGNS ON THE SAWHORSES.
ANY, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS YOU COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS, YES.
SHORT OF SHUTTING DOWN THE MARKET, UH, IN THE EVENT OF SOMEBODY PARKS ILLEGALLY.
JUST WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA
WHAT, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC QUESTION I'M BEING ASKED? SO, SO IF WE, IF WE, IF WE CAN REINFORCE THE NOTION THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT TO PARK ALONG MANHATTAN AVENUE BY PLACING CONES AND SAWHORSES AND EXTRA SIGNS OBVIOUSLY ON, I'M WILLING AND HAPPY TO DO WHAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KEEP THAT FROM BEING AN ISSUE, I GUESS THE CONCERN IS THAT BEING SPIRAL AWARE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES MM-HMM.
IT IS, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE QUICKEST THING TO JUST A, WE'RE GONNA TOW THESE 10 ILLEGALLY PARKED CARS.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS FROM SATURDAY TO SATURDAY, IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE SOME RECOURSE OUTSIDE OF US ISSUING SUMMONSES AND THREATENING TO TOW OR IF NECESSARY TOWING AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M FINE WITH SIGNING IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT? UM, FOR WHOEVER WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN THAT SECTOR, IF THERE'S AUXILIARY STATION DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DISCOURAGE IT AGAIN, PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN HAVING TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AFTER THE FACT CHIEF.
UH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN TRY, WE CAN TRY TO PREVENT, WE CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PREVENT THE ISSUE AND IF THE ISSUE ARISES, WE JUST HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION? RIGHT, CHIEF? I MEAN, HONESTLY THAT'S, DOESN'T THAT CHIEF? WELL THAT MEANS WE TICKET AND TOW AND IF, IF, OR, OR WHATEVER THE CHIEF DEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO THEN, BUT IT HAS WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCE HAS TO OCCUR.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE SIGNS SAYING EVENT PARKING, UH, TO BASICALLY, UM, UH, PUT UP SIGNAGE, UH, ON MANHATTAN AVENUE DIRECTING PEOPLE TO LOCATIONS THAT THEY COULD UM, THEY COULD PARK.
SO IF, IF WE, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF WE SAY YOU, THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S PARKING RIGHT IN THE, IN THE BLOCKS.
THERE'S OTHER PARKING THROUGHOUT THE BLOCK, I MEAN ACROSS THE STREET.
I'M TALKING ABOUT IF WE, IF WE BASICALLY HAVE, WE LOOKED AROUND FAIRVIEW AND ON THIS TOWN BOARD, IT'S LIKE
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EVEN IF WE PUT THE DIGITAL, USE A DIGITAL BOARD, THE POINT IS, PART OF THE POINT IS WE'RE THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THE FARMER'S MARKET IN THIS AREA IS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS TO DRIVE TO THE HARSDALE FARMER'S MARKET.AND THEY, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'D BE WALKING.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WE SHOULD ALSO, SO, SO MAYBE THEN THIS PROBLEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS BIGGER IN OUR HEADS.
THEN IT'S GOING TO BE IN REALITY.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
WE'VE ALL AGREED TO SOMETHING.
SHALL WE VOTE THAT WE'RE GONNA, THAT WE'RE GONNA INCREASE THE SIGNAGE? THAT'S ONE.
THE CONES AND THE, AND THE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES.
THAT IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, THEN THE POLICE CHIEF WILL DECIDE WHAT TO DO AT THAT TIME.
BASED UPON WHAT THE EXIGENT C IS, THAT'S FINE.
I I COULD DRAFT SOMETHING UP THAT I BELIEVE WILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO ALL PARTIES.
AND WHILE WE HAVE THE POLICE, SO WHAT TIMES THE VOTE? HOLD ON ONE MINUTE WHILE WE HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF ON, BECAUSE PAUL DID SAY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET THE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET, JUST LIKE HEART STILL HAS.
WE JUST WANNA BE TREATED EQUALLY.
CAN WE GET ONE OF THOSE SIGNAGES YOU TALKING ABOUT THE POSITION TO PROMISE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT'S SO WHO GAVE IT TO HARTSDALE? I WOULDN'T BE THE ONE SETTING THAT UP.
SO I DON'T REALLY WANT YEAH, WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE TWO, UH, DIGITAL BOARDS FOR, BUT I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK.
I WANNA, WE WANNA HEAR ABOUT IT.
I WANNA, I'M SUGGESTING THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE DIGITAL BOARDS THAT I USED, BOARDS USED TO PROMOTE THE FARMER'S MARKET IN HARTSDALE BE MOVED TO PROMOTE THE MARKET ON MANHATTAN AVENUE BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR.
AND I ALSO FEEL AS, AS I SAID BEFORE, I AGREE WITH KEN THAT WE MAY BE, UH, OVER NERVOUS ABOUT THE PARKING, BUT I THINK THAT TO MAKE, TO REDUCE THE CHANCES OF A PROBLEM, I WOULD PREFER HAVING SOME SIGNAGE ADVISING PEOPLE WITH PARKING.
AND RICHARD JUST WAS JUST GONNA ADDRESS IT.
SO WOULD YOU JUST LET HIM OKAY.
BUT I, I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK.
HANDS UP BEFORE OR YOU THANK YOU.
HI MS. COLBY, IF YOU LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WANT THE SIGN TO READ, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS A COMPLETE SIGN DEPARTMENT.
YOU LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WANT US TO SAY AND WE'LL GET IT DONE.
WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIGITAL BOARD.
THE DIGITAL BOARD RICH, THE, THE, THE ONE PURVIEW TOO.
SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE ONE, LET'S MOVE ONE FROM, UH, EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE TO YOU PICK THE LOCATION.
SO HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE TWO THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
SO CAN WE HAVE THEY HAVE TWO? CAN WE HAVE TWO? AND OF COURSE THERE GOTTA BE A PROVISION IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING AND YOU GOTTA MOVE THE THINGS RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE.
SO CAN THAT, CAN THAT ALSO BE PUT IN THE CONTRACT ABOUT THE SIGNS? WELL, WE'LL DO IT.
SOMEONE GET ME THE LANGUAGE, EMAIL IT TO ME.
YOU KNOW, IF WE ONLY HAVE FOUR, IT'S BIG TOWN, THEY MIGHT NEED IT FOR OTHER THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT TO LOCK IT IN MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST IDEA.
BUT IF YOU GO ON PAGE UNDERSTAND, THAT'S FINE.
LET'S JUST, WE'LL JUST REQUEST IT.
WHILE WE HAVE THE CHIEF THOUGH, UM, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT SHOULDN'T BE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT SINCE I PULLED UP THE GOOGLE MAP ON MY LAPTOP FOR ELM STREET, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT, CHIEF.
BUT, UH, WHAT'S WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS, UH, NOT ONLY DOES IT SHOW SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RIGHTWAY WHICH PASSED THAT ISSUE, BUT IT SHOWS TWO BIG TRACTOR TRAILERS, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY OR ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
AND THE CONTRACT READS THAT THE TOWN SHALL DIRECT THE POLICE TO REQUEST THAT.
PRIOR TO JULY ONE, THE OWNERS OF ALL CARS AND TRUCKS ON PARKED ON ELM STREET MOVE SAID VEHICLES WHILE ELM STREET IS CLOSED.
I'VE ALREADY MADE THAT REQUEST TO THE CHIEF.
SO, UH, IS THAT, IN YOUR OPINION, GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THESE LARGE AFTER YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY? I'M SORRY.
TAKE CARE OF THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY.
AND DO YOU BELIEVE THEY WILL RESOLVE THE ISSUE? 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF AWKWARD IF IT'S NOT.
THE CONTRACT'S GONNA SAY THAT ALL THE VENDORS PARK AT THE BACK OF EL STREET.
IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THAT WE, BECAUSE THAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO THAT THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE PARKING PLACES.
YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT ATTORNEY DANKO
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HAD, UM, SENT YOU A, A MAP OF THAT SO THAT YOU CAN JUST INDICATE ON THAT AND APPEND IT TO THE CONTRACT.COULD YOU JUST ADD ON TOP OF THAT MAP THAT WE HAD D P W STAFF DRAFT AND I SENT OVER TO YOU WHERE YOU WANT EXACTLY THE PARKING TO BE JUST, AND WE WILL ADD IT IN THE CONTRACT TOO.
I THINK WHAT MAKES SENSE THOUGH IS DO YOU HAVE TIME TOMORROW? WHY DON'T I COME OVER AND JUST SEE YOU? THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT I'LL MAKE TIME.
LET'S, LET'S UH, UH, SPEED OF TIME.
COME CAN COME WITH SOMETHING HERE TONIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT TIME ARE WE GONNA VOTE ON FRIDAY? CAN I VOTE VIA ZOOM? SURE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THE QUORUM.
CAN WE MAKE IT AT FIVE 30? HOW'S THAT? DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? FIVE PROBLEM WITH ME, FRANCIS.
IT'S UP TO A QUICK TURNAROUND FOR SATURDAY.
WE'RE ALL WORKING ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A, CAN WE DO IT THURSDAY? IT'S TUESDAY.
COULD WE DO IT THURSDAY? THURSDAY? NO, CAN'T DO IT.
WE'VE, WE'VE AGREED IN PRINCIPLE TO ALL OF THESE TERMS. I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE THAT DIFFICULT TO GET THE LANGUAGE.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE MOST OF THE LANGUAGE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS.
SO, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE BANNER THAT WE GOT FIXED FROM THE TOWN.
WE GOT IT EDITED SO THAT WE'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU ALL SO Y'ALL CAN PUT IT ON THE, UH, THE, THE THING OVER THERE.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER COURSE THAT WE OCCURRED.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL OF THAT.
WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME COLBY, BUT WE CAN CHIT CHECK.
AND I LOOK FORWARD, GOOD JOB GOING TO THE MARKET.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME EVERYONE.
'CAUSE THE CLE IOWA OF OUR HONORARY STREET SIGN.
WE WAIT CA JUST SAYS YOU, UH, ONE QUESTION JUST TO SPEED IT UP.
BY LAW WE HAVE TO, TO POST SOMETHING, TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, WE HAVE TO HAVE 24 HOURS NOTICE.
SO THE THING IS, IF IT NO LET, LEMME SAY, SO TOMORROW WE, IT'S 24 HOURS FOR TILL TOMORROW'S UH, UH, UNIT MEETING.
SO CAN'T WE BASICALLY, UH, CREATE A SPECIAL MEETING TOMORROW, SAY AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT? I'M, AND THEN I'M NOT AVAILABLE TOMORROW.
TOMORROW'S A TOWN BOARD MEETING.
TOMORROW'S A TOWN BOARD MEETING.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT TOMORROW.
SO CAN WE JUST TO SPEAK SO THIS WAY, BECAUSE THIS WAY IF WE DID, IT'S, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN I SAID THERE'S GOTTA BE, IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA GOING OUT ON THE WEEKEND, WE'RE NOT, IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING.
IT USED TO BE TOWN BOARD WOULD PUT THINGS ON FRI WEDNESDAY AT FOUR 30 OR FIVE O'CLOCK AND THEN VOTE ON IT WITHOUT THE PUBLIC HAVING NOT, THAT'S BAD.
BUT ALSO YOU RESERVE THE RIGHT TO PUT ANYTHING ON YOUR AGENDA ANYTIME.
WHY DON'T WE CALL A SPECIAL MEETING TO, INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY COMING UP, INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY HAVING TO SHOW UP AT FIVE 30 AND GIVING US, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HOURS, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT'S NOT FAIR IS THAT WE ARE AT THE SAME POINT THAT WE WERE LAST YEAR.
MAY I ASK? I'M, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES IT WORKS THAT WAY.
GINA, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE GETTING THE NODDING OF THE HEAD, THE HAND MOVEMENT AND JUST BEING OUT, OUT OUTLANDISH.
WE'VE ALL COME TO A CONSENSUS HERE.
LET'S, I'M ASKING, HOLD OUR EYES NOW.
THERE'S A TOWN BOARD MEETING TOMORROW.
WE CAN GET IT RESOLVED THERE AT THE TOWN BOARD MEETING.
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GIVE MORE TIME.
MAY I? WHY DON'T WE, 10 O'CLOCK TOMORROW.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? THIS SPECIAL MEETING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE ATTORNEY WHO SAID, JUST SAID THAT HE'S GOT A VERY CROWDED SCHEDULE, BUT YET HE'LL MAKE THE TIME FOR BOB.
WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE CAN GET DONE IN TIME BECAUSE HE WOULD THEN AND THEN POST IT IN TIME FOR THE, I I DON'T DEAL WITH AGENDAS AND POSTING AGENDAS, SO I DON'T REALLY WANNA SPEAK.
NO, I MEAN FOR IT TO BE POSTED.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO POST IT.
SO WHY CAN'T WE HAVE TO GET WHAT THEY WORK OUT? TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WHAT A NOVEL IDEA WE'RE SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY WORK OUT.
UM, AND THAT THERE'S TIME TO DO THAT BY FRIDAY.
WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE'RE PAYING ATTORNEYS A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE TOOK TWO HOURS INSTEAD OF A HALF AN HOUR.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE BEFORE NOW AND TOMORROW NIGHT.
AND IT'S EASY FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT DEALING WITH THESE THINGS, BUT THOSE OF US THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT, UH, IT'S A LOT TO JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'LL JUST DO IT AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THAT'S THE SAME THING AS AMBUSHING THE COMMUNITY.
IT ISNT AMBUSHING BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING THEM TIME, MORE TIME, UM, UH, TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL.
IF YOU DO IT ON THIS, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA
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DO IT ON NEXT? I I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO BE RIGID.I FEEL THERE'S MORE PE WE WANT MORE TRANSPARENCY.
THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE AT TOMORROW'S MEETING THAN WHO ARE GONNA BE, WHO ARE GONNA BE WASHING THIS AT FIVE 30 ON A FRIDAY.
SO, AND TO ME, AND TO ME THEY NEED, IT'S, IT WILL HELP THEM BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL HAVE THEIR ASSURANCE THAT THEY HAVE THE AGREEMENT.
WE'RE DEBATE THIS FOR 15 MINUTES.
WELL, WE'RE PAYING ATTORNEYS HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AN HOUR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TOMORROW AT 10:00 PM AND, AND, AND, AND TO VOTE ON IF WE CAN'T DO THAT.
IF WE CAN'T WORK IT OUT OR IF YOU WANNA HOLD IT OVER, UH, THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HOLD IT OVER TO, IF I HOLD IT OVER, I'M HOLDING IT OVER TO THE NEXT REGULAR BOARD MEETING.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT A HOLDOVER IS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU HAVE AN WHY DON'T, WHAT'S THE MATTER? WHAT FRIDAY? WE ALL AGREED ON FRIDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE IT UP FIVE 30.
WE ONLY NEED THREE VOTES, PAUL.
I'LL DO IT BY, I CAN IT BY ZOOM.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE CLEO OLIVER, WE AGREED LAST YEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO NAME THE STREET, BUT WE WERE WAITING A YEAR.
NOW IT'S A YEAR, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO SPEND 15 MINUTES DISCUSSING THAT.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT BY EMAIL? THAT'S FINE.
I THOUGHT WE SHOULD, UH, SCHEDULE A VOTE FOR, UH, WE TALKED, IT WAS TOO LATE THIS YEAR, BUT I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UH, ENACT THE LAW LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME THIS SUMMER TO APPLY FOR NEXT, UH, NEXT YEAR.
SO THEN THERE'S A ONE YEAR, UH, ALMOST A YEAR WHERE, UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THIS WAY WE WON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE HAD YEAR THIS YEAR.
YOU CAN PUT UP THE BEST OF YOU.
AND IF YOU WANT TO GIVE BLOOD, THERE'S A BLOOD DRIVE ON FRIDAY, JUNE 30TH, 1130 TO THREE 30.
WHERE IS IT? IT'S, UH, THE LIBRARY.
IT GOES YOUR, IT GOES TO SHOW YOU'RE A GOOD MANAGER.
EVERY PIECE OF PAPER COSTS MONEY.
COMMISSIONER PAUL, DO YOU WANNA THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANNA ADJOURN? YEAH, WE WERE ADJOURNING AND NO, I DON'T, I DON'T.
UM, I JUST NEED TO, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, REALLY QUICKLY, UM, HAVE WE DECIDED WHAT DATE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR JULY, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING ON? WASN'T IT GONNA BE JULY 12TH? YEAH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE AUGUST ONE.
UH, I I, IF I WILL APPEAR BY ZOOM, I WILL APPEAR BY ZOOM AS WELL.
IF IT'S JULY 12TH, IT'S JULY 12TH.
'CAUSE THE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD IS, IS HOLDING TWO MEETINGS IN JULY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY ON WEDNESDAYS.
UH, I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT AUGUST? WELL, I, I HONESTLY DON'T WANNA GO INTO AUGUST IF, IF POSSIBLE.
UM, UH, AS WE, AS WE KNOW THAT, UM, JUNETEENTH FOR GREENBERG UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T HAVE ITS FULL EVENT, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ITS FULL EVENT.
UH, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO DO THE FLAG RACING AT TOWN HALL.
UM, BUT WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS EVENT IS THAT WE DO THE MOTORCADE AND THEN WE GO WITH THE FELLOWSHIP AT WEB FIELD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WITH THE WEATHER REPORT THAT, UM, WE DECIDED NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE FULL EVENT.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THAT WE CELEBRATE AT OUR NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETINGS STARTING AT 5:00 PM WHERE WE COME OUT AS THE RESIDENTS COME OUT.
UH, WE HAVE OUR CELEBRATION WHEN WE HAVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS, UH, COOK FOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT WE HAVE OUR PROGRAM BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN.
UM, AND FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME TO OUR TOWN BOARD MEETING AND EXPERIENCE THAT, WHO HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE THAT IN PERSON, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, UM, PART OF THE CELEBRATION WOULD BE OF COURSE, MUSIC, UM, WITHOUT ACTIVITIES FOR CHILDREN.
SO, UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS NOT GONNA BE ANY TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION.
EVERY YEAR WE DO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IF WE WOULD NEED TRANSPORTATION TO COME UP TO TOWN HALL, UM, WE WOULD HAVE BUSES LEAVING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO COME UP TO TOWN HALL, UM, IF WE DO NEED, UH, A RIDE.
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I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DEFINITELY PUT THAT OUT THERE, THAT IF JUNE 12TH, I MEAN, SORRY IF JULY 12TH IS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING, THAT WE DO DO THE COMPLETE FULL CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH.CAN I JUST MAKE ONE SUGGESTION FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH? UM, I'M WONDERING, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE NIGHT OUT, THE POLICE NIGHT OUT IN AUGUST, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S TOO LATE.
THE THOUGHT THAT I, WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IS SINCE WE'RE GOING ALONG WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET, UM, AND WE WANNA HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT INSTEAD OF DOING IT AT TOWN HALL, WE COULD, UM, HAVE LIKE THE SORT OF LIKE A PICNIC, UM, UH, AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, UH, THAT THE TOWN WOULD BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FUND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SATURDAYS IN, IN JULY AND IT WOULD PROBABLY GIVE THE, UM, THE FARMER'S MARKET, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GET PEOPLE USED TO GOING THERE.
WHERE WOULD YOU HAVE THE PICNIC? NO, WAIT, WAIT, BEFORE THAT QUESTION OR MAYBE DOING IT, MAYBE DOING IT AT THE, THAT LITTLE PARK RIGHT IN BACK OF PART OF IT.
I'M NOT NO, THE SAME THING THAT THE NO, THE SAME THING THAT YOU, THE SAME FUNDS THAT YOU WERE GONNA USE FOR, UH, THE TOWN HALL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAME FUNDING THAT YOU WERE GONNA USE FOR, UH, THE WEB FIELD, UH, THAT WE DIDN'T USE.
UH, WE WOULD, WE, WE WOULD HAVE MAYBE SOMETHING, I'M JUST THROWING OUT AN IDEA AND BACK THE PARK AND BACK OF THE HUNDRED, UH, MANHATTAN AVENUE.
SO IF WE BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE FARMER'S MARKET IS SAY NINE TO 2:00 PM IN THAT AREA AND WE USE THAT PARK, UM, ON ANY SATURDAY THAT YOU WANT IN JULY, THEN IT BASICALLY IS HELPING THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROMOTING THE FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO AND IT'S REACHING OUT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WE CAN MAKE IT ALMOST AN EXTENSION OF, UM, OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, YOU KNOW, DAY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AREN'T GONNA COME HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS NOW.
WE HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT I'M JUST SAYING THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO ANNOUNCE THAT, THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A, UM, A, A CELEBRATION FOR JUNETEENTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT WHERE WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, COME OVER AND WE DO IT AT A TOWN BOARD MEETING.
SO AT LEAST FOR THOSE PEOPLE, FOR THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, ONE, I'M TRYING TO DO A TWOFOLD THING HERE THAT WHO DON'T, WHO DO NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT AND COME TO A TOWN BOARD, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THEIR KIDS MAY BE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATING ON, ON WHAT WE HAVE.
I DO HAVE HER OBLIGATION FROM THE GRANT FUNDING THAT I HAVE, THAT I HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS.
SO AGAIN, WITH THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE ONE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE ATTORNEYS AND WE ARE PAYING THEM, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I WILL DEFINITELY, I WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT CALL THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT I HAVE TO MEET WITH THAT GRANT FUNDING.
NO, I, THIS, OKAY, SO LET'S TAKE IT.
I NEED TO STEP AWAY FOR TWO SECONDS, BUT I'LL MOVE ON FORWARD.
SO IF YOU CAN, GUYS WANNA GO FORWARD.
WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR WHAT PURPOSE, WHAT PURPOSES? UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS IN, IN INVOLVING INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.