[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, July 5, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.WELCOME TO THE JULY 5TH, UH, MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. DAVIS? HERE WE HAVE MR. SAI ON ZOOM AND WE HAVE MS. FREYTAG, OUR ALTERNATE ON ZOOM AS WELL.
UH, NEXT, UH, ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I, UM, I DO, IT STILL ISN'T EXACTLY RIGHT ON THE, UH, UNDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
I, WELL, I SAID THAT THE WHY I HAD SAID AT THE MEETING THAT ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS WERE, WERE NO GOOD WITHOUT, WITHOUT THAT THE, UH, ALTERNATE ENERGY.
JUST, IT'S KIND OF JUST AS WHILE HE SAID THAT, AND THEN HE MEANT THAT.
WELL, HE SAID THAT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO THIS WAS THE CORRECTION TO YOUR, YES.
TO MY, HOW YOUR, UH, COMMENTS WERE REPORTED EXACTLY FROM THE PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS MEETING, SIR? YES.
SO THIS MEETING WILL REFER TO THE LAST MEETING, WHICH REFERRED TO, REFERRED TO THE LAST MEETING.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, GUYS, WE REALLY, WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO REALLY FOCUS, 'CAUSE IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF ON THIS AGENDA TONIGHT AND I WANT TO GET OUTTA HERE, HOPEFULLY BY NINE 30 IF WE CAN.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, ON THE, THE MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN? SO WONT SECOND JOHANN WALTER? SECOND.
WE GOT A FEW HOUSEKEEPING DETAILS TO TALK ABOUT, UH, REALLY NOT CORRESPONDENCE, BUT HOUSEKEEPING DETAILS.
FIRST OF ALL IS THE AUGUST 7TH MEETING, SECOND OUR SECOND MEETING.
YOU CAN'T HEAR US? MONA, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR CORRECT.
CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? YEAH, IT'S BETTER.
IT'S SOMETHING WITH HIS I, HIS COMPUTER.
UM, FIRST THING IS THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING.
UM, I AM ON VACATION IN CANADA AND WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THAT MEETING.
HE WILL PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM, BUT BOTH TOM AND I BELIEVE IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO CHAIR THIS MEETING REMOTELY WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS HYBRID 'CAUSE HE CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY THERE.
YOU, YOU ARE SPEAKING, SPEAKING THE MIC.
I, I'M SPEAKING DIRECTLY INTO THE MIC UNLESS I SCREAM CORRECT.
I'M SPEAKING DIRECTLY INTO THE MIC.
THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED? WELL, WELL MAYBE TOUCH VOLUME.
CAN, CAN I TRY TO FINISH A STATEMENT? PLEASE? I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO, BECAUSE TOM AND I BOTH BELIEVE THAT IT'S DIFFICULT, UH, TO CHAIR A MEETING REMOTELY WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE PHYSICALLY PRESENT, UH, WE'VE ASKED WALTER TO COME OUT OF RETIREMENT FOR THIS MEETING ON THE SECOND.
SO, UM, WALTER WILL BE CHAIRING THE MEETING THEN.
I ALSO WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING, PHYSICAL ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING.
REMEMBER, WE NEED AT LEAST FOUR AT THE MEETING.
SO PLEASE TRY TO ATTEND THE MEETING, UH, PHYSICALLY AND UNDERSTAND THE RULES THAT WE SET ABOUT, UH, 75, YOU HAD SUPPOSED TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT FOR 75% OF THE MEETINGS OKAY.
BUT I DOES ANY, I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE FOUR PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY CAN BE HERE, THEN WE HAVE TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE MEETING.
DOES ANYONE ELSE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR AUGUST 2ND AT THIS TIME? NOT AVAILABLE.
I UNDERSTAND ALSO PHYSICALLY, MONA WON'T BE HERE.
SO LESLIE, WILL YOU BE HERE? AS FAR AS I KNOW, YES.
WALTER, WILL YOU BE HERE? YES.
CAN YOU COMMIT TO BEING PHYSICALLY HERE ON THE SECOND? I, I'LL, I, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, BUT I'LL TRY IT.
IF IF WE CAN'T HAVE THAT, WE WILL, WE WILL CANCEL THE MEETING AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A LITTLE HIATUS IN AUGUST, WE'LL PROBABLY DO, WE'LL DO THE MEETING THE SECOND, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY IN AUGUST.
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OKAY.THE SECOND THING IS ALSO A SCHEDULING ISSUE.
UM, AS YOU REMEMBER, UH, WE HEARD THE NINE DOT BATTERY STORAGE PROPOSAL, UM, ACTUALLY IN JUNE.
THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING IN A ROW WHERE AFTER THAT, WHERE THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO OUR COMMENTS.
UM, THEY HAD A LOT TO RESPOND TO BECAUSE THEY CAME IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE EXPECTING, BUT WE ASKED SIMPLE QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE 79 PROPERTIES? THEY HAD NO ANSWER.
THEY SAID THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE, UH, FIRE CODE.
WELL, WHAT IS THE CHANGE? THEY HAD NO ANSWER.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE STILL DOING RESEARCH ON THAT, WHICH IT'S GOOD.
BUT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A SCHEDULING CONFLICT FOR US, A PROBLEM FOR US.
UM, THEY'LL HOPEFULLY, I WOULD HOPE THEY'LL BE ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING IF THEY'RE ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED SO WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, IT CAN BE WRITTEN AND I CAN APPROVE IT REMOTELY.
THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ON IT ON THE SECOND.
IF, HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HA SHOW UP FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, OR THEY HAVEN'T SATISFIED THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ASKED AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, YOU CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON THE SECOND, BUT THEY WON'T BE, THEY WILL NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
SO GIVEN THAT, UM, YOU, WHAT WE NEED, WE HAVE 60 DAYS FOR A REFERRAL.
WE'RE ALLOWED TO, UH, JUST INFORM THE, UH, TOWN BOARD THAT WE NEED AN EXTRA 30 DAYS NOW, WHICH WOULD TAKE US TO WHAT DATE? AARON? DO YOU REMEMBER? WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING? YEAH, EARLY SEPTEMBER.
IT WAS THE DAY BEFORE ON FIRST.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS DO TWO EXTENSIONS AND I GUESS WE CAN'T DO THEM TOGETHER, AMANDA? OR CAN WE? UM, I THINK THE CODE SAID, WELL, SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO REQUEST THE FIRST ONE.
I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE ANYTHING AFTER THE INITIAL EXTENDED PERIOD.
FIRST YOU COULD DO JUST AND PUT THEM ON NOTICE.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUT 'EM ON NOTICE FOR THE SECOND ONE THEN AS WELL.
AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUEST? YES.
WE SHOULD PUT 'EM ON NOTICE FOR THE SECOND ONE, AARON.
I WANT TO SEE IT BEFORE IT GOES OUT THOUGH.
YOU SHOULD CLEARLY INDICATE WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
YEAH, WELL WHY IS BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE.
WHY, WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THEM TO CONSENT TO A 60 DAY EXTENSION? IT'S NOT THEM, IT'S THE BOARD TOWN BOARD.
THEY DON'T, IT'S NOT THEIR CONSENT.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE ASK THE TOWN BOARD THEN? THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NO, YOU SAID WE'RE PUTTING THEM ON NOTICE.
WE GET AUTOMATICALLY WE COULD GET THE 30 WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL.
WE HAVE TO ASK THEM FOR THE ADDITIONAL 30.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE ADDITIONAL 30? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NO, YOU'RE PUTTING THEM ON NOTICE.
WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING BOTH.
WE'RE WE'RE NOTIFYING THEM OF THE FIRST 30.
AND REQUESTING THE SECOND FINE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, MICHAEL.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, UH, PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ON OUR DOCKET FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH IS ELMWOOD.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THEM TO, UH, RESOLVE, UH, DEVELOP OUR CONSULTANTS QUESTIONS, WHICH I GUESS WE'RE CLOSE ON NOW.
I HEAR THAT WE'RE CLOSE ON THAT.
THE ADDITIONAL ISSUE WITH THEM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DISCUSS HERE, IS THAT THEY ARE STILL IN VI THEY HAVE NOT CLEANED UP THEIR VIOLATIONS YET WITH THE TOWN REGARDING THE FILL, STILL ABOUT THE FILL.
UH, SOME WITH FILL, SOME WITH DEMOLITION PERMITS.
SO THEY HAVE NOT DONE DONE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THE TOWN.
WE REALLY HAVE, THE PROBLEM IS OUR CODE DOESN'T SAY THAT WE CAN DELAY SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO WHAT WE NEED, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING THAT WE DO, IS THAT WE SEE THEM, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
HOPEFULLY THEY'RE READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND THAT, UM, WE CAN APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND REFERENCING SUBJECT CAN'T MOVE AHEAD UN UNTIL THEY CLEAN UP ALL OF THEIR, THEIR, UM, ISSUES.
HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK AMANDA, UH, THIS MORNING WAS OF THE OPINION THAT WE SHOULD ALSO PROBABLY SEND A LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDING THAT IT'D BE CODIFIED THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING ANY ACTIONS IN THE CODE.
THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE TAKING ANY ACTIONS WHEN SOME
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SOMEONE'S IN VIOLATION.I JUST ASK THE QUESTION, WHEN THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VIOLATIONS, DO THEY GET STOPPED WORK ORDERS? THEY HAVE STOPPED WORK ORDERS.
THEY CURRENTLY, IMMEDIATELY, YEAH.
OH, YOU DON'T NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
ESPECIALLY, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD BUILDING INSPECTOR NOW WHO'S ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT STUFF.
WHAT DID THEY DO? THEY BROUGHT IN DIRTY FILL.
INSTEAD OF BEING VIRGIN FILL, IT WAS HAD OLD BRICK IN IT AND HADN'T BEEN TESTED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE DEMOLITION PERMITS? WITH THE DEMOLITION? THERE WAS NO, UM, INSPECTIONS DONE WHILE THEY WERE FINISHING DEMOLITION.
THERE'S ALSO NO RECEIPTS FOR WHAT'S BEEN REMOVED.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN REMOVED AND WHAT'S BEEN MIXED SINCE IT, THINGS HAVE BEEN MIXED TOGETHER ON SITE.
SO WE HAD A BIG PILE OF DIRT AND BRICK TOGETHER SITTING ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T, WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE IT CAME FROM.
WELL, WE KNEW IT CAME FROM SOME OTHER DEMOLITION.
I FORGET WHICH ONE MORE THAN ONE PROJECT.
THERE'S, THERE'S THEORIES AND, AND YEAH.
SO IT, IT'S NOT A GOOD, GOOD THING.
I'M SURPRISED, AND I KNOW AMANDA'S BEEN WORKING VERY HARD, HARD WITH THE D E C ON THIS.
I'M REALLY SURPRISED THEY'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO SOME.
AND, AND AARON, I GUESS TWO OF YOU AND, UH, SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR SOMEONE TO DO, DO SOME KIND OF, UH, TEST TESTING, TESTING.
I'M SURP THEY DIDN'T AND WESTCHESTER SAID THEY'D TAKE THE FILL AS I UNDERSTAND.
SO I'M NOT GONNA THE TOWN'S REQUESTING INTO ALL THOSE DETAILS.
BUT ANYWAY, IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
WELL, WHAT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THIS IS THE TIMING.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING WE DO IS GO FORWARD WITH IT UNDER THAT AS, 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET IT OFF OF OUR DOCKET SO ALL OF OUR ISSUES ARE ANSWERED AND LET THE TOWN DEAL WITH THE ISSUES WITH THE VIOLATIONS THEN MM-HMM.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN CORRESPONDENCE I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
THE FIRST, UH, PROJECT THEN IS PB 12, UH, 2212, WHICH IS THE PAN VACANT LOT.
UM, IT'S FOR PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, AS YOU RECALL, CALL, UM, THE LAST TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETING, IT WAS CORRECT.
I THINK WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE TURN AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE ABILITY TO BRING A LARGE TRUCK UP.
AND SURE ENOUGH, WHEN HE CAME BACK WITH THE DRAWING AND HE WAS VERY RESPONSIVE, UH, TO IT, TO THE, UH, OUR REQUEST, IT DID LOOK LIKE IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR A 28 FOOT TRUCK TO MAKE THE TURN.
NOW I'M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AMAZON GETTING UP THERE, BUT I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO GET AT LEAST A NORMAL SIZED FIRE TRUCK UP THERE.
I I THINK IT WAS A 38 FOOT, 28.
BUT, BUT WHAT THEY DID, BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS THE 28, IF YOU LOOK AT THE THING, I KNOW IT WAS TWO LESS THAN YEAH.
NOW MY CONCERN IS IT'S A BUSY ROAD AND IT'S A LONG WAY UP.
YOU DON'T REALLY WANT THE NO FIRETRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE.
YOU DON'T NEED A HOOK AND LADDER, BUT YOU NEED A REGULAR SIZED BLUEBIRD FIRE, YOU KNOW, FIRETRUCK TO GO UP THERE, REGULAR SIZED FIRETRUCK TO GO UP THERE.
SO WHAT THEY DID WAS A REVISION, WHICH, UH, EITHER MATT OR AARON, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD, PLEASE.
SO I'M GONNA SHARE THE SCREEN.
I'LL SHOW EVERYONE, BEAR WITH ME JUST FOR A MOMENT.
IT WAS ALSO AN ISSUE BY THE WAY OF SITE DISTANCE.
AT THE, AT THE, BECAUSE OF THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC ON, ON ULTA TOWN ROAD.
JUST A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND.
SO AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRUCK MOVEMENTS INTO, PARTICULARLY INTO THE SITE AT THE CURB CUT.
AND AT THE FIRST TURN, UM, WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE JOHN CANNING A TOWNS CONSULTANT THAT CONSISTENTLY LOOKS AT TRAFFIC AND, UH, IMPACTS AND VEHICULAR IMPACTS, UM, FOR THE TOWN.
HE WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT IT VERY QUICKLY.
HE RECOMMENDED THREE MODIFICATIONS TO THE DRIVEWAY LAYOUT.
SO LET ME JUST, UH, ZOOM IN HERE REAL QUICK.
AND THE APPLICANT TOOK THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE REVISIONS AND SUBMIT THIS REVISED PLAN.
SO THE FIRST IS DOWN AT THE CURB CUT.
THERE WAS A REQUEST BY MR. CANNING TO WIDEN AND KIND OF FLARE OUT AT THE CURB CUT.
AND THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO DO THAT, NO ISSUE.
IT STILL MEETS THE MAXIMUM WIDTH REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE ANGLE FOR TURNING IN AND OUT.
THEN AT THIS FIRST TURN, THAT WAS ALSO A CONCERN OF THE BOARD.
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A, A, A DRASTIC ANGLE HERE.AND THEY WERE ABLE TO, UH, WIDEN IT AT THIS TURN AT MR. CANNINGS REQUEST.
AND THEN FURTHER UP THE DRIVEWAY ALONG THIS SECTION WHERE IT ROUNDS OUT TO THE TOP, MR. CANNING SUGGESTED THAT THAT BE WIDENED A FEW FEET, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING UP AT THE ANGLE AND MAKING THE TURN IN.
SO THEY MADE THOSE THREE REVISIONS.
UM, AND MR. CANNING INDICATED THAT WITH THOSE THREE REVISIONS, IT WOULD BE PROOF I THE WOULD DEFINITELY HAMMERHEAD.
WELL, THE HAMMERHEAD WAS, HAD ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN ADDED.
MR. MR. CANNING SUGGESTED THAT WITH THE, UM, THE HAMMERHEAD THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SLOPE DOWN FROM THE HAMMERHEAD PORTION THAT THERE BE A CURBED, UH, A CURB PUT IN A CONCRETE CURB, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO PUT IN THAT CONCRETE CURB WITH THAT WIDENING.
WHAT, WHAT SIZE TRUCK CAN YOU MAKE THAT TURN? I'M MORE, I'M MOST WORRIED ABOUT THAT TURN.
SO WHAT MR. CANNING SAID WAS BASED ON THE 28 FOOT TRUCK THAT THEY, UH, PROVIDED THE ANALYSIS FOR, BUT COULD YOU GET A FIRETRUCK UP THERE? SO I DIDN'T RUN IT SPECIFICALLY BY THE FIRE DISTRICT.
WHAT I DID DO, WHAT I DID DO APPROVAL FROM THE, IS PREVIOUSLY, PRIOR TO EVEN THESE REVISIONS, THESE MINOR TWEAKS RAN IT BY THE FIRE DISTRICT WHO SAID, WE WILL NOT HAVE AN ISSUE SERVICING THIS SITE.
SO IT WILL ONLY IMPROVE UPON WHAT WAS ALREADY LOOKED AT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA GO BACK TO THEM.
YEAH, WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, BUT THIS IS APPROVED.
I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT, AND THERE'S A HYDRANT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE.
I THOUGHT I SAW A PLANE WITH A HIGH, WITH A, A HAMMERHEAD AT THAT CURVE.
NO, I SWEAR I SAW, SAW THAT WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH MY PAPER SHEET THE OTHER DAY.
SO THIS WAS WIDENED, THIS ANGLE WAS LESSENED.
IT, IT'S MORE OF A STRAIGHT OUT.
I SWEAR I'VE SEEN SOMETHING ELSE.
I GUESS I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT I DID.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH PAM THAT WE KNOW ABOUT AT THIS POINT? DO WE HAVE ANY? I DON'T RECALL ANYTHING ELSE WE DISCUSSED.
WE DO HAVE SOME SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO WALK THE BOARD THROUGH QUICKLY.
PLEASE DO PAGE NUMBER SIX OF THE DRAFT DECISION.
CONDITION 4.1 STATES THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL INSTALL A GUIDE RAIL ALONG THE SOUTHERLY DOWN SLOPE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY AS DEPICTED ON THE PLANS.
SO THEY ADDED THAT TO THE PLANS AS WE SAW PREVIOUSLY.
4.2 THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL INSTALL DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING ALONG THE GUARDRAIL OF THE DRIVEWAY AS DEPICTED ON THE PLANS.
4.3 THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS ON THE INSTALLATION OF A HIDDEN DRIVEWAY SIGN WITHIN THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY ON OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
SO AS YOU COME UP THE HILL AND AROUND THE BEND, THERE'LL BE A HIDDEN DRIVEWAY SIGN INSTALLED.
THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL INSTALL.
SAID SIGN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR INTEREST SHALL MAINTAIN THE DRY SWELL AND OTHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DOCUMENT ENTITLED STORMWATER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE MANUAL DATED APRIL 28TH, 2023, AND PREPARED BY ANDY CHUNG, UH, WHO'S THE APPLICANT'S PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR INTEREST SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN ALONG OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST PRIOR TO FINAL TOWN APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SUBJECT FACILITY, WHICH IS THROUGH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, MAY BE REQUIRED TO PRO PROVIDE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WHEN A, WITH AN IRREVOCABLE LETTER OF CREDIT FROM AN APPROVED FINANCIAL INSTITUTION OR SURETY TO ENSURE PROPER FUTURE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF SUCH FACILITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE REGULA REGULATIONS.
THE AMOUNT SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE TOWN IF THE PROPERTY OWNER FAILS TO PROPERLY OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE FACILITY.
THE TOWN UPON WRITTEN NOTICE MAY DRAW UPON THE ACCOUNT TO COVER THE COSTS OF PROPER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING ANNUAL ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION COSTS CONTRACTED BY THE TOWN AND ANY OTHER RELATED EXPENSES INCURRED BY THE TOWN.
THIS MUST BE COORDINATED WITH THE OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
SO WE COORDINATED WITH AMANDA ON THAT.
IS THIS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN FOR ALL DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF BASINS? THESE BASINS? THAT'S, SO THAT'S A PRETTY MUCH A STANDARD REQUIREMENT.
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LANGUAGE FROM OTHER PROJECTS.AND THEN LASTLY, 4.6, THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST MUST KEEP THE AREAS WITHIN THE SITE TRIANGLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, FREE AND CLEAR OF ANY VIS VISUAL OBSTRUCTIONS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO FENCING, WALLS, TREES, AND OR SHRUBS AT ALL TIMES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THE APPROVAL.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO OBSTRUCTIONS AS YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY THAT YOU HAVE FREE AND CLEAR SET TRIANGLES AT THE T AT THE VERY END PART ONE TARIC DONE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SNOW? THEY DON'T DEAL WITH THAT.
SO DOES THAT IMPLIED? YEAH, I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH OUR SNOW NOW? WE USED TO JUST SHOVEL IT ACROSS ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE WAS A SNOW STORAGE AREA OFF TO THE SIDE ON ANDY ALSO SAID HE WAS GONNA PLOW THE STUFF.
IT WASN'T GONNA PLOW ALL THE WAY OUT.
HE WAS GONNA PLOW IT OFF TO THE SIDE AND LET IT GO DOWN THE HILL.
SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS DRAFT DECISION? THERE ARE THREE VOTES BECAUSE, UH, YEAH, I GOT IT.
UM, FIRST WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER, UM, TO TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVE TO DECLARE.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
SECOND, UH, JOHANN AND LESLIE.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? NO.
AND THE THIRD ONE IS, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVE SECOND, WALTER SECOND.
NEXT CASE IS PB 2308, ANIMAL DERMATOLOGY AT 53 TERRYTOWN ROAD.
THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
UM, WE, WE HEARD THIS, UM, BEFORE IN FRONT OF US BEFORE.
IT'S BASICALLY TAKING AN EXISTING SPACE THAT'S IN A STRIP SHOPPING CENTER AND CONVERTING IT TO AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
THEY'RE, I THINK TILL SIX O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIAL IN THE, THE, THE ONLY CONDITION THAT I RECITE FOR THE BOARD IS CONDITION NUMBER 11, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD, I BELIEVE BROUGHT UP BY MR. SIMON, WHICH STATES THAT AS THE SITE CONTAINS A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL NOT DESIGNATE OR RESERVE OFF STREETE PARKING SPACES IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR SEEKER TO DECLARE THIS? A TYPE TWO.
JOHANN, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT? SO MOVE SECOND.
WALTER JOHANN, I THINK ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG HERE GUYS.
NEWMAN PB 20 DASH 2013 SOUTH SOUTHWOOD PLACE.
IT'S FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, THEY'VE GOTTEN A PRELIMINARY HEARING AT A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION ON THIS.
AND SO, UH, OUR DECISION TO NOTICE WHETHER TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
GENERALLY THE STANDARD FOR THAT IS HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE THE PRELIMINARY? UH, COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? RIGHT.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, UH, WITH RESPECT BETWEEN PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AND THE PLATT THAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW.
SO YOU MAY GO AHEAD TO CONSIDER I MOVE THAT WE WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, WALTER? OKAY.
AND THEN COULD I HAVE, WE HAVE TWO MORE VOTES ON THIS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION? SO MOVED? YEAH, CORRECT.
AND FINALLY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVED.
LESLIE, DO I HAVE A SECOND? JOHANN SECOND.
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THAT WAS, WE GOT THROUGH THAT PAGE QUICKLY.UM, THAT'S IT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE ONE CASE IN PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL MOVE BACK TO WORK SESSION.
MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE WORLD SHERIFF SCHWARTZ.
AND WE HAVE MS. FREYTAG, OUR ALTERNATE ON ZOOM AS WELL.
ON 30 CASAL AT 34 DASH 40, 50 0 0 AND 10 SAW MEL RIVER ROAD.
CAN YOU TAKE ANY MORE NUMBERS OF SAW OF THE ROAD THERE? THAT'S ALL WE GOT.
ALRIGHT, IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN AND PLANNING TO, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WHAT DO I DO ABOUT C'S? DONE? C WAS DONE.
JUST MAKING SURE, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'LL LET MR. STEINMETZ TAKE US THROUGH IT BRIEFLY.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF NETTE STEINMETZ HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING LUIGI CASAL AND SAWMILL STONE AND MASONRY MASONRY YARD.
I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A ENJOYABLE HOLIDAY AND A NICE BREAK.
UM, WE'RE HERE ONCE AGAIN IN CONNECTION WITH CASAL.
THIS IS AN EXISTING USE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, HERE IN THE TOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
IT IS NOW JUST UNDER TWO ACRES IN THEI ZONE.
THE ESSENCE OF THIS APPLICATION, AS WE EXPLAINED AT THE OUTSET QUITE SOME TIME AGO WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS, OUR CLIENT, UH, ACQUIRED ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.
UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION AND PARKING ON SITE, UH, MODIFY THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.
WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME WITH YOUR BOARD AS WELL AS THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH I WILL GET TO ADDRESSING CIRCULATION AND PARKING.
UH, WE REMOVED SOME OF THE BINS AND THE WALLS, THE CURB CUTS, AND, UM, RESTRICTED ONE OF THE POINTS OF ACCESS AT YOUR BOARD AND YOUR CONSULTANTS, UH, REQUEST TO INBOUND, UH, INGRESS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S NEW, THERE ARE SOME NEW, UH, STORAGE SHELTERS, BUT THE ESSENCE OF THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN TO IMPROVE WHAT WAS AND IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND MAKE IT FUNCTION, UH, BETTER.
UH, A GREAT DEAL OF TIME, UM, RECENTLY HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON, UH, PLANTING ON SITE.
THE SITE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, AND I THINK MOST OF YOU CONDUCTED A SITE INSPECTION OR LIKE MONA HAVE BEEN THERE FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, AS A, UH, AS A PATRON, UH, THERE'S LIMITED CAPABILITY, UH, TO DO PLANTING ON SITE.
UH, THAT WAS VERIFIED BY SP HOGAR, UH, THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER, UH, OFFICER, UH, HE CONFIRMED IN A WRITTEN MEMO THAT OUR CLIENT REALLY EXHAUSTED NUMEROUS OPTIONS LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL PLANTING.
SO, UH, THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE THAT
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WE LOOK AT INSTALLING PLANTER BOXES IN, IN A VARIETY OF LOCATIONS.UM, AND I SHOULD SAY THAT I'M JOINED TONIGHT, UM, ON ZOOM BY STEVE, UH, SIANO, UH, FROM KELLOGG SESSIONS ENGINEERS, JOE ELLI, UH, ALSO OUR PROJECT ENGINEER ON VACATION.
AND STEVE, UM, I I HOPE STEVE IS ON, UH, SCREEN SOMEWHERE IN CASE WE NEED HIM.
DO YOU SEE HIM? I APOLOGIZE, AARON.
I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT AT THE OUTSET.
SO IF WE NEED TO SHARE SCREEN OR, OR SHARE ANY PLANS, UH, BETWEEN AARON AND STEVE, WE WE SHOULD HAVE THAT.
SO STEVE AND JOE HAVE DEVISED, UM, SOME ONSITE PLANTING CAPABILITIES WHERE WE CAN PUT AT LEAST FOUR PLANTER BOXES, UM, ON THE PROPERTY IN A VARIETY OF LOCATIONS.
UH, TODAY I READ A MEMO FROM, UH, YOUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS THAT INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD BE A SPECIFIC LIST OF PLANTS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PLANTER BOXES AND ANNUALS COULD BE ADDED TO THOSE PLANTER BOXES.
BUT MY CLIENT WAS ENCOURAGED TO NOT PLANT THE ANNUALS UNTIL THE TREES THEMSELVES OR THE SHRUBS WERE ALLOWED TO BE PLANTED AND TAKE IT AND TAKE AND ROOT IN THEIR PLANTER BOXES AND THEN ADD THE ANNUALS.
SO, UH, MR. CASAL IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO BEAUTIFY THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, THOUGH IT IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SITE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VERY ATTRACTIVE, UH, THINGS THERE.
HE DOES USE, UH, THEY DO USE THAT PROPERTY TO DISPLAY, UH, THEIR GOODS AND THEIR CAPABILITY IN TERMS OF MASONRY, WALL BUILDING, ET CETERA.
UM, WE, UH, HAVE ALSO, UH, AS, AS I THINK WAS INDICATED, UH, BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, BEEN BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU'LL RECALL THAT THIS MATTER WAS BEFORE YOUR BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND SECURED A NUMBER OF VARIANCES AS A RESULT OF OUR ADDING PROPERTY TO THIS APPLICATION.
SOME OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS CHANGED.
WE WERE ISSUED A NEW DENIAL LETTER BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WENT BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
YOUR BOARD COMPLETED THE SECRET PROCESS.
I HEARD THE CHAIR ASKED THAT AT THE OUTSET.
SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOUR BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY COMPLETED THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT PROCESS.
YOU ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
AND WE THEN PROCEEDED IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
ALL OF THE VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUESTED WERE ISSUED BY THE ZONING BOARD.
WE ARE NOW BACK BEFORE YOU REALLY TO CULMINATE THE PROCESS TO CONDUCT THE MANDATORY PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, TO, TO WRAP THIS UP, UH, THE VARIANCES WERE GRANTED, THE NECK DECK WAS ISSUED, AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD, UM, ADD THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS EXCESSIVE CUTTING OR FILLING GOING ON ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
AARON CAN ADDRESS THAT THIS, THIS APPLICATION IS NOT ABOUT FILLING THE SITE, UH, OR MODIFYING GRADE.
THIS IS REALLY JUST MERGING A VARIETY OF LOTS TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS ONE COHESIVE AND AND FUNCTIONING SITE.
I AM HAPPY MR. CHAIRMAN, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS STEVE IS ON IF YOU WISH FOR HIM TO SHARE SCREEN AND POINT OUT AND ILLUSTRATE WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THE PLANTER BOXES.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE YOU SAW THIS APPLICATION.
WHY, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE MICHELLE WHERE THE PLANTER BOXES ARE? NO, NO PROBLEM.
STEVE, IF YOU CAN, AARON, HE CAN SHARE SCREEN.
YEAH, STEVE, IF YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE SCREEN AND JUST, UM, POINT OUT THOSE PLANTER BOXES AND, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, IT'D BE GOOD TO WALK THROUGH THE ENTIRE PLAN FOR THE BENEFIT.
STEVE, IF YOU COULD JUST ORIENT EVERYONE WHERE THE ROAD IS, WHERE OUR CURB CUTS ARE, WHERE OUR BUILDINGS ARE, AND THEN GET TO THE PLANTERS.
SO, UH, SALT RIVER ROADS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE.
UM, THE NORTH ARROW IS GOING TO THE LEFT.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAIN, THE MAIN BUILDING, THE MAIN, MAIN BUILDING'S OVER HERE ON THE NORTH END.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TWO OF THE PLANTER BOXES TO GO IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
THERE'LL BE THREE BY THREE OF THESE TWO LITTLE SQUARES IN THE CORNERS OF THIS DISPLAY AREA.
THERE'LL BE BEHIND THE WALLS AND THE FENCING.
UM, AND WE HAVE ONE OF OUR, SORRY, ONE OF OUR ENTRANCES HERE.
UM, THAT ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, AND CURRENTLY A, UH, AN ACCESS FOR BOTH INGRESS AND EGRESS.
JOHN CANNING, AS WELL AS OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, PETE RES AGREED THAT IT WAS SAFER AND PRUDENT TO RESTRICT THAT TO INGRESS ONLY.
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REQUESTED THAT WE STRIPE IT ACCORDINGLY AND IT WILL BE STRIPED AND SIGNED.IF WE GO A LITTLE MORE SOUTH, UM, ON THE SITE, WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE STORAGE BEHIND AN EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, THERE'LL ALSO BE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE AND EXIT HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH.
WE'LL HAVE MOST OF OUR GRADING WILL BE OCCURRING ON THIS LITTLE LOT HERE.
AND THEN JUST LEFT OF THIS PROPOSED STORAGE SHELTER.
SO THIS, THIS AREA, THIS AREA IN HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT HIGHLIGHT IS WHERE MOST OF THE GRADING'S HAPPENING.
AND STEVE, THAT GRADING IS BEING DONE TO PROMOTE VEHICULAR ACCESS THROUGH THOSE TWO PARCELS, CORRECT? YES, EXACTLY.
ALL OF THE GRADING HERE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A REASONABLE ROADWAY FOR THE, FOR, FOR VEHICLES TO GET THROUGH OR, BUT THIS AREA IN HERE IS A FAIRLY STEEP SLOPE.
THERE'S NO CONNECTION, UM, THROUGH THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CUT BACK A LOT OF THAT SLOPE TO MAKE, MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR CARS.
UM, I CAN SHOW YOU THE CUT SOME, SOME SECTIONS IN A MINUTE.
UM, AS WE GO FURTHER SOUTH, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER BIGGER ENTRANCE, UM, OVER HERE NEAR THE BUS STOP.
UM, AND THEN MORE PLANTER BOXES WILL BE DOWN HERE BETWEEN THE TWO RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE THERE.
NOW, TOTAL NUMBER OF RECOMMENDED PLANTER BOXES.
STEVE, IS, IS THAT FIVE OR SIX? IT SHOULD BE FIVE TOTAL, YES.
GOT, SO THREE DOWN HERE ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER, UH, PARCEL AND TWO ON THE NORTH.
TWO MORE BY THE MAIN STORE ON THE NORTH ONE.
AND IN TERMS OF INGRESS EGRESS POINTS, I THINK YOU JUST ILLUSTRATED THREE DIFFERENT PLACES.
UM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY MM-HMM.
WE HAVE ONE OVER HERE IN THE SOUTH END.
I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY GOT RID OF ONE OR TWO OF THEM.
AND NOW WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, THREE TOTAL.
WE WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, AND WE HAVE BEFORE YOUR BOARD THREE CURB CUTS WHERE FIVE EXISTS PRESENTLY.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD SHOW NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, AARON, DO YOU WANT US TO WALK THROUGH ANY OTHER, DO, DO YOU NEED TO SEE SECTIONS ONCE AGAIN? DO YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT HASN'T CHANGED? WE HAVE NOT CHANGED.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD SHOW BECAUSE MY, MY MIC ON.
NO, NOT, UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SHOW, 'CAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE IS NO CUT AND FILL.
THERE IS SOME GRADING GOING ON JUST TO, TO SHOW.
HE SAID HE HAD A, I THINK A SIDE VIEW WITH THE GRADING.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AND LIKE TO KNOW WHERE SURE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT HILL AFTER YOU TAKE IT OUT? ARE YOU USING THE WHOLE THING? THIS, THESE ARE SITE, YOU HAVE A COUPLE SITE SECTIONS IN THAT AREA.
SO, AND THIS SHOWS OUR GRADING AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE FILLING A LITTLE BIT IN HERE BELOW WHERE THE SLOPE IS.
UM, WE'LL BE PUTTING IN A RETAINING WALL ON THE WALL, UH, ALONG THE, UM, SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THE REST OF THIS SLOPE GETS CUT BACK TOWARDS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, THIS NEW STORAGE AREA.
UM, SO WE'RE REALLY JUST PULLING THE SLOPE BACK.
AND THEN IF I'LL SHOW YOU THE SECTIONS, YOU'RE JUST SMOOTHING IT OUT.
SO YOU'RE USING ALL THE SOIL THAT YOU'RE USING IN THE CUT.
WE WILL MOSTLY BE PULLING THE SLOW BACK FOR A LOT OF THIS.
UH, UH, THE EXTRA MATERIAL I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE STORED ON SITE UNTIL, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, DEAL WITH IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPORTING MOVING DIRT OFF OR OFFSITE MUCH.
IF THE CUT MATERIAL IS GOOD TO USE AS STILL FURTHER DOWN BELOW THE SLOPE, THEN I BELIEVE WE'LL DO THAT ON THE LEFT HERE IS WHERE WE'RE FILLING.
UM, AND THE RED LINE WILL BE THE NEW GRADE.
THE DASH LINE IS THE CURRENTLY EXISTING GRADE.
ANY, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE NEED PRESENTED.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD, COR UM, LOOKING AT THE EXISTING BUS STOP IN YOUR
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PLAN IF YOU CAN.YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, STEVE.
WE HAVE THIS ONE'S ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO HERE WE HAVE OUR EXISTING BUS STOP.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, IF THE PERSONS STOP TO PICK UP OR DROP OFF PASSENGER, HOW DOES THE, THE SIDE DISTANCE FROM PERSON COMING OUT OF THERE DRIVEWAY OR MAKING A TURN INTO IT? SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU CAN SHOW THE BUS, UH, SORT OF STOP AT THE BUS STOP.
I, I, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE MAKING TURNS OUT OF THIS DRIVEWAY.
I THINK THEY MIGHT BE LIMITING THAT TO ENTRANCE ONLY.
WE COULD LET MR. CHAIRMAN, MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER CHRIS'S QUESTION IS TO LET MR. CANNING ADDRESS THIS.
MR. CANNING WAS SPECIFICALLY RETAINED BY THE TOWN TO REVIEW ALL VEHICULAR MOVEMENT IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE.
HE HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HE REVIEWED SITE DISTANCE.
SO K'S QUESTIONS CERTAINLY A GOOD ONE.
I BELIEVE JOHN TOOK THIS INTO ACCOUNT.
SO, UH, MR. CANON, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
UM, SO IT, IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THE ANSWER REALLY, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE THAT VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED TO ENTER AND EXIT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, AT THE NORTH DRIVEWAY MOVEMENTS WERE LIMITED TO IN ONLY CORRECT.
UM, TYPICALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN, MAYBE THERE'S TWO, MAYBE THREE BUSES AN HOUR THAT WILL PULL UP HEADED NORTHBOUND.
THEY'LL PULL PAST THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY'LL STOP.
AND WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO SEE IF YOU'RE COMING OUT, WHAT'S COMING DOWN ROUTE NINE A.
SO MOTORISTS DOING THAT WILL HAVE TO EITHER WAIT UNTIL THE BUS LEAVES, WHICH TYPICALLY TAKES, YOU KNOW, 30 SECONDS OR SO, OR THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S COMING NORTHBOUND ON ROUTE NINE A AND KNOWS OUT TO SEE WHAT'S COMING SOUTHBOUND.
UM, IT'S NOT AN UN IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION.
BASICALLY THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THERE, A CURB UP THERE TODAY AND A BUS STOP AND A BUS STOP THERE AND A BUS STOP THERE TODAY.
AND IT'S NOT INFREQUENT, UH, AT MANY LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU HAVE BUS STOPS NEXT TO INTERSECTIONS, UH, THAT ARE UN SIGNALED.
SO, UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT PRESENTS A SHORT TERM TEMPORARY CONDITION.
AND, UH, THE MOTORIST IS OBLIGATED UNDER LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SEE VEHICLES, UM, CLEARLY WHEN THEY PULL OUT.
AND SO AS THEY EXIT, THEY WILL HAVE TO EITHER WAIT AND IT'S NOT A LONG WAIT OR THEY'LL HAVE TO INCH OUT CAREFULLY AND SEE AROUND THE BUS.
IT'S NOT WHAT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WE DO HAVE TO STOP SOMEWHERE.
JOHN, SINCE WE'VE GOT YOU ON THE, OKAY, GO AHEAD JOHN, SINCE WE HAVE YOU ON ALREADY.
UM, YOU'VE, YOU SEE THE PLACEMENT OF THE, UH, TREE BOXES.
UH, HOW ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WITH THOSE YEAH, THE TREE BOXES I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
AND YOU'VE REVIEWED ALL THE TRAFFIC FLOW SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS, AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS WELL? CORRECT? YEAH.
UM, DID, DID I ANSWER MR. DESI'S QUESTION ADEQUATELY? MR. DESAI? UH, YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S EXISTING CONDITION, BUT WHEN WE ARE IMPROVING AND, UH, ADDING ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT IS DOING, UH, WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A MORE BY EITHER THE SIGNAGE OR THE FLASHING LIGHTS OR SOMETHING SO IT ALERTS THE PEOPLE TO EXPECT THAT THERE IS A LIMITED SIDE VIEW? UH, I MEAN, THE BEST THINGS WOULD BE IF YOU CAN MAKE A CURB CUT, HAVE A, HAVE A WAY THAT, UH, THE BUS CAN PULL IN.
BUT APPARENTLY IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE TO SUGGEST THAT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS INTO IT.
UH, SO SORT OF THAT, UH, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A, SOME SORT OF A, A SIGN OF VEHICLES GETTING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY? SO, I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT A SIGN AT THE DRIVEWAY, UM, ALERTING, EXITING MOTORISTS TO WATCH FOR BUSES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY.
I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S VERY BUSY IN THAT STRETCH OF,
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UM, NINE A WITH PEOPLE GETTING ON AND OFF OF BUSES AND IT'S NOT A BLIND SPOT.ANYONE EXITING AT THAT SPOT WOULD SEE THE BUS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T MISS, BUT THE POINT, THE POINT MR. STEIN IS THAT THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE AROUND THE BUS.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SEEING WHAT I, I AND JOHN, YOU'RE THE EXPERT SEEING THE BUS VERSUS SEEING A SIGN THAT TELLS ME TO LOOK FOR A BUS THAT'S IS NOT GOING TO, IS NOT THAT'S A FAIR POINT.
LET ME JUST FINISH MY, LET ME JUST FINISH MY SENTENCE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY BEHAVIOR IN MAKING A TURNING MOVEMENT.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION, THAT WILL CHANGE MY BEHAVIOR IN MAKING A TURNING MOVEMENT.
OTHERWISE, I BELIEVE, AND AGAIN, YOU SIGNED OFF ON THE NEG DECK, JOHN, NOT ME.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU HAD CONCLUDED THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH OUR IMPROVING ALL OF THE CURB CUTS THERE.
SO I, I I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WE WERE PAST THIS BUS ISSUE.
UH, DAVID, I I DON'T THINK IT'S A REAL BIG ISSUE, SO, GOT IT.
UM, I DON'T SEE THAT YOU HAVE A CHOICE
I MEAN, WE WOULD'VE IDEALLY NOT ALLOWED THAT CURB CUT WOULD'VE SOLVED ON IT'S ALREADY THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, I KNOW.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE COUNTY LOOKED AT, THEY'RE BEHIND THEM.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING YOU COULD DO IS MOVE THE BUS STOP AND THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO THE M T A TO DO SO, I THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S MATERIAL.
THEY MOVE THE BUS STOP THAT, THAT'S THE POINT.
THE, THE PROJECT WAS REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY.
IT WAS REFERRED TO THE COUNTY, UM, AND THERE WERE NO COMMENTS RELATED TO THE STOP THE BUS STOP OR SHIFTING OR RELOCATION OF IT.
UH, WHAT ABOUT A SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT OF THE WHOLE THING, ISN'T IT? THERE ISN'T.
IS IT THERE? COMPLETELY? YES, THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
I WOULD LIKE THE, THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE SIDEWALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
I KNOW THIS GOES BACK SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD.
THIS PLAN DOESN'T CLEARLY SHOW IT.
I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN THAT SHOWS IT.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE THAT SHOWED WHAT YOU WANTED.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT IN THE APPROVAL.
YOU, STEVE, YOU KNOW, WHICH ITERATION OF YOUR CAD YOU NEED TO PRINT OUT ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE, WELL, I BELIEVE OUR, OUR MAIN SITE LAYOUT PLAN HAS GOT IT.
ALONG THE FULL FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
YEAH, JUST FOR PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ON THE SWITCH OUT BETWEEN REPLACING WITH 558 POUND, YOU KNOW, UM, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CARBON EMISSIONS FROM THE TREES THAT ARE BEING AND HOW WE GOT TO THE PLANTERS INSTEAD.
SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY.
SO IN CHAPTER TWO, 60 OF THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU REMOVE TREES, ASIDE FROM INVASIVE SPECIES THAT YOU REPLACE AT A CERTAIN, UH, RATIO, THE STORMWATER, UH, ABSORPTION AS WELL AS THE C O TWO REMOVAL, THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING TO BE REMOVED PROVIDE THE APPLICANT IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, REVIEWED NUMEROUS LOCATIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES INCLUDING OFFSITE UP SLOPE WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY.
THEY HIRED A CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO, UH, INSPECT THAT AREA.
THERE WAS A LETTER PROVIDED BY THAT ARBORIST INDICATING THAT DUE TO LIMITATIONS INCLUDING SLOPE ROCK AND OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS, THERE WASN'T AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLANT IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.
THEY LOOKED AT THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE AND IT'S VERY ROCKY IN THE BACKEND AREAS THAT ARE NOT PAVED OR UTILIZED WITH STORAGE CURRENTLY OR IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
THEREFORE, IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE, THE CODE DOES PERMIT ALTERNATIVES, UM, TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
AND I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE CLIENT WORKS WITH OR THE APPLICANT WORKS WITH STONE AND WE HAPPEN TO SEE ONE OF THE STONE BARBECUES THEY HAD OUT THERE.
I HAVE THOUGHT OF OTHER LOCATIONS IN TOWN WHERE I'VE SEEN THESE PLANTER BOXES THAT ARE DECORATIVE AND CAN SUPPORT AND HAVE THE SOIL, UM, TO SUPPORT A TREE.
AND SO IN THAT CASE, IN THIS CASE, I HAD MADE THE SUGGESTION THE TEAM LOOKED AT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A CONDITION WHERE THESE BOXES WERE AN IMPEDIMENT TO VEHICULAR MOVEMENT OR THE STORAGE SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT.
AND I THINK THEY'VE COME UP WITH A CREATIVE WAY TO MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF CHAPTER TWO 60.
AND LESLIE, JUST TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR, SO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR
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QUESTION IS ANSWERED.SECTION TWO 60 DASH EIGHT B THREE EXPRESSLY ALLOWS FOR THE EXCEPTION THAT AARON HAS REFERRED TO TO BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN IT'S DETERMINED THAT ANOTHER, ANOTHER MECHANISM SHOULD BE UTILIZED BECAUSE OF FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES LIMITATIONS.
BUT IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, UH, YOU ARE, YOU INDICATED THAT YOUR CON YOU, YOUR INTEREST WAS WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT, UH, IS EQUIVALENT TO THE ABSORPTION FACT THAT YOU WOULD GET, UH, IF YOU PLANTED TREES.
I THINK THAT'S THE, WHETHER THESE FIVE PLANTERS ARE EQUIVALENT IN TERMS OF ABSORPTION FACTOR.
IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK IF IT'S NOT, THAT'S MY QUESTION,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF SOMEBODY YEAH, RIGHT BEYOND THAT, AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD 'CAUSE WE ONLY ARRIVED AT THIS VERY RECENTLY.
THE EXACT SPECIES HAVEN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED YET.
I PROVIDED A LIST TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM TODAY.
WE CAN PIN THAT DOWN DURING THE WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD AND THEN BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK.
WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES THAT THEY'RE REPLACING FOR THE C O TWO AND THE STORMWATER? I, I THINK THE, I THINK THE STORM WATER IS MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN THE C O TWO BECAUSE IT'S IN A CONTAINER ISN'T RIGHT.
I MEAN, IT IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED WITH RESPECT TO THE CODE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TREES THAT ARE THERE ARE DEFINITELY GONNA BE ABSORBING, UM, STONE WATER FOR SURE.
AND THAT, THAT PATCH BETWEEN THE TWO, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH LOT.
BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE INVASIVE SPECIES.
SO THE CODE REQUIREMENT ON INVASIVE SPECIES IS ZERO.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE PROVIDING A FAIR AMOUNT.
BUT WE'LL REPORT BACK THE EXACT NUMBERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, I HAVE SOMETHING.
UM, THERE'S A VERY SMALL FIT OF PROPERTY AT THE END HERE THAT WASN'T TAKEN UP BY, UM, CASAL AND WE WERE LOOKING INTO THAT.
WHAT WAS THE END RESULT OF THAT? NORTH OR SOUTH? NO, SOUTH UH, SAL, THE NEW YORKER, THE STREET.
DO YOU RECALL THAT AARON? YES.
WHO WAS LOOKING IN WHAT, WHO OWNED THAT AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THAT? WHAT WAS THE END RESULT OF THAT? END RESULT WAS THAT IT'S A GORE STRIP OF LAND, UHHUH
WHEN WE WERE OUT ON THE SITE, I REMEMBER SPEAKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE CONDUCTED THE NOTICE SITE VISIT.
UH, AND WE REVIEWED THE RECORDS.
YEAH, I BELIEVE WE, WE LOOKED AT OWNERSHIP THE SAME.
THEY DIDN'T JUST TAKE THE WHOLE THING
WELL AT THIS POINT OR THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE BOARD? NO.
UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, I THINK MY NEIGHBOR'S ALSO ONLINE.
I WOULD PREFER TO LET HIM GO FIRST.
BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY IS MORE PART OF THE PROJECT THAT'S BEING WORKED ON NOW IS CLOSER TO WHERE HE LIVES THOUGH.
UM, WHO, UH, WHO'S ON THERE? HIS NAME'S LARRY.
IS THERE ANYONE ON THE ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? MR. CARBONARA? YES.
LARRY, YOU THERE? UNMUTE YOUR MIC PLEASE.
UH, YES, THIS IS LARRY, KEVIN AREA.
I'M UP THE HILL, UM, FROM, UH, THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T, WE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF GOOD FAITH, LUIGI, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE WE'VE A RELATIONSHIP WITH LUIGI.
HE SAID THEY WOULDN'T BE TOUCHING THE HILL ANYMORE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING BACK THAT THE SPEED, I JUST KIND OF CAME IN.
BUT WE, THE PART THAT REALLY HAS BOTHERED US THE MOST WAS THE, WITH THE HOURS THAT THEY WERE PROPOSED TO WORK.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'D, WED BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IS RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ABOVE, UH, JUST YEAH.
AGAINST THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONLY ON WEEKDAYS AND START, NO, STARTING NO LATER THAN EIGHT.
STARTING, NO EARLIER THAN EIGHT HOURS OF OPERATION.
YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR CONSTRUCTION OR FOR OPERATION? OH, FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO THOSE HOURS ARE SET BY THE CODE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME IN THE MIC? OKAY.
THOSE HOURS ARE SET BY THE CODE.
THEY'RE NOT DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, AT LEAST IN THIS INSTANCE.
SO THE TOWN HAS A NOISE ORDINANCE AND THEY WOULD STRICTLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT ORDINANCE.
IT'S EIGHT DURING THE WEEKEND AND IS IT EIGHT
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ON WEEKENDS OR NINE ON WEEKENDS? I CAN REPORT BACK TO MR. CAB.I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S AS EARLY AS 7:00 AM DURING THE, DURING THE WEEK, DURING THE WEEKEND.
ON WEEKENDS IT'S EIGHT OR NINE.
IT MIGHT BE NINE TO SIX OR SOMETHING.
BUT THAT'S THERE, THERE'S NO WAIT, THERE'S NO WAY TO, THERE'S NO WAY TO CHANGE THAT.
BUT WE, WE ARE, WE ARE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY, NOT A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
SO, SO I CAN ACTUALLY CITE THE PROVISION.
SO ROUTINE CONSTRUCTION WORK IS PERMISSIBLE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM AND 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND SATURDAYS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 9:00 AM AND 6:00 PM SO NO SUNDAYS OR HOLIDAYS.
AND I THOUGHT THE GENTLEMAN ASKED FOR AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK, WHICH IT'S LATER TODAY.
ON, ON SATURDAYS IT'S 9:00 AM IS THE START TIME? NO, WHAT'S THE END TIME? 6:00 PM ON SATURDAY AND ON THE WEEKDAY 8:00 PM DURING THE WEEK.
SO IT'S NOT AFTER 8:00 PM DURING THE WEEK EITHER.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS FOR BLASTING OR CHIPPING WORK AS WELL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN REGULAR ROUTINE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, MA'AM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? YEAH, SURE.
I LIVE AT ONE 11 HEATH PLACE IN HASTINGS.
SPEAKING OF A MICROPHONE PLEASE.
HEIDI GOLA ONE 11 HEATH PLACE IN HASTINGS.
SO THE FIRST THING IS I JUST HAD LIKE, 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO KNOW FROM THAT, LIKE EXACTLY WHAT ON THIS IS LIKE, THIS SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE, SO MUCH MORE WORK THAN WHAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED AS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
UM, SO I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE PAPER YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THE, THE NOTICE THAT WE GOT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO, DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE LANGUAGE THERE THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO ELABORATE ON? WELL, I MEAN IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DISTURBANCE OF THIS MUCH STEEP SLOPE AND THIS MUCH A VERY STEEP SLOPE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO SEE ON THE PLANS EXACTLY WHAT PART, I KNOW I SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT FROM WHAT WAS SAID, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
CAN I JUST SEE ON THE PLAN, LIKE EXACTLY WHAT PART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT DO THAT WHEN YOU'RE THROUGH WITH YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD WAS JUST ANY, I THINK HE ANSWERED IT THIS TIME, DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY BLASTING OR CHIPPING OR ANYTHING? NO.
STEVE, STEVE WILL ANSWER THAT WHEN WE WHEN WE RESPOND.
UM, SO, AND I APOLOGIZE, I, IF, IF A NOTICE WAS SENT ABOUT THE, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED OF THE ZONING BOARD AND I DIDN'T, UM, I DIDN'T GET A NOTICE.
LIKE THIS CAME FROM THE LAW FIRM, LIKE IT'S OFFICIAL TOWN BUSINESS.
I WAS LIKE, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE MORE OF US WOULD'VE NOTICED IT IF IT CAME ON A TOWN ENVELOPE.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE NOTICES ARE SENT BY THE APPLICANT WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, DEPENDING ON YOUR DISTANCE FROM THE SITE PLANNING BOARD IS 500 FEET FROM THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND THE ZONING BOARD'S 250 FEET.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY FOR THIS, UM, I'M, I MIGHT BE MORE THAN 500 FROM THE PART OF THE SITE THAT'S GONNA BE WORKED ON THIS TIME.
I'M DIRECTLY BEHIND THE WHOLE SITE.
SO I MEAN, MY PART OF MY PROPERTY LITERALLY TOUCHES THEIRS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE PART THAT THEY WERE GONNA WORK ON.
SO MAYBE THAT'S, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, UM, THE LISTING OF PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOTICED IN CONNECTION WITH THE Z B A CASE.
IF YOU WANNA REACH OUT TO ME TOMORROW, I CAN GIVE YOU MY INFORMATION.
SO, OH, UH, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S 500 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU ARE ZERO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I REGARD THE CONSTRUCTION MIGHT BE 700 FEET AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE, BUT THE PROPERTY LINE IS WHAT DETERMINES RIGHT.
EXCEPT THAT IF THEY'RE COMBINING PROPERTIES, DID THEY, LIKE WAS THE MEASURE ALL, ALL OF IT WOULD BE ALL OF THEM.
THEN I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ZONING.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLY OVERLOOKED IT.
SO I APOLOGIZE THAT SOME OF THIS IS JUST DON'T APOLOGIZE.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP UNDERSTANDING PLANNING VERSUS NO, THAT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALMOST EVER, IF EVER.
SO, UM, SO JUST O OVERALL, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE AWAY THIS WEEK.
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A HUGE PROJECT AND IT BACKS RIGHT UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'RE JUST WANTING, WE, LIKE, WE DON'T EVEN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
AND IT'S, I MEAN, THEY HAVE IT ALL BLOCKED.
LIKE YOU CAN'T SEE THE PROPERTY.
AND SO LIKE, 'CAUSE I DROVE BY IT A GAZILLION TIMES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU CAN'T GET ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU GUYS ALL GOT TO GO AND SEE IT.
BUT WE DIDN'T, WHEN THE ZONING BOARD WANTED TO APPROVE THE FIRST VARIANCES, GARRETT DID A
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SITE VISIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE COULD SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TIME, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT AN EXPERT.
WELL, I HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THE, YOU WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO THE PROPERTY IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHEN IT WAS BEFORE THE ZONING
THIS WAS LIKE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WENT FOR LIKE THE FIRST VARIANCES.
I, I, I HAVE A SUGGESTION, UM, WHEN THE APPLICANT RESPONDS TO YOUR QUESTIONS, MAYBE THEY CAN CONSIDER HOLDING A MEETING AMONG THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE EXPLAINING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
MAYBE THEY COULD HOLD A SITE VISIT FOR THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS, GIVE THEM SOME COMFORT, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO SO THAT YOU'LL BE INFORMED BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU GUYS VOTE.
BUT EVEN AFTER IT WOULD BE AT LEAST HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND IT'S THIS POINT.
UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT SURPRISING THAT COMES UP BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT 15 MINUTES.
MY GUESS IS WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AND YOU'RE GONNA VOTE TONIGHT? WELL, NO, WE DON'T VOTE.
WE DON'T VOTE THE SAME AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'D BE LEAVING THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WHEN? TILL JULY 12TH.
SO IF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE JULY 12TH, YOU COULD GET SOMETHING IN THE RECORD, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER BEFORE THE DECISION.
BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS LIKELY TO CLOSE TONIGHT, JULY 12TH.
AND IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRIOR APPLICATION AND THE CURRENT APPLICATION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S NOT OVERLY DIFFERENT, ASIDE FROM THAT MIDDLE PIECE TO CONNECT THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH.
BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
YOU MEAN TO NOT TO HAVE HIM JUST WALK, HAVE I THINK, YEAH.
IF YOU TO WALK THROUGH WHAT'S BEING DONE, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS EXTENSIVE AS THAT LETTER MIGHT MAKE IT SOUND, AT LEAST IN MY DIRECTION, MEAN 1800, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO, TO STEEP SLOPES ANOTHER 1800 TO VERY STEEP SLOPES.
ANOTHER 3,900 TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
LIKE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THESE SLOPES ARE.
THAT'S 7,500 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL.
AND IT'S THIS WAY, A LOT OF IT THAT'S LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.
IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING DONE.
AND WHAT'S BEING DONE IS NOT A BIG EXCAVATION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST BASICALLY A SMOOTHING AND LE LEVELING IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT'S ENDING UP.
IT'S THE OPERATION'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
THIS ISN'T REALLY CHANGING THEIR OPERATION.
THE FACT THAT MAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEIR OPERATION AND, AND KEEPS A VERY THRIVING BUSINESS IN GREENBURG, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
UM, I DON'T SEE IT LONG TERM HAVING ANY IMPACT WHATSOEVER ON YOU GUYS.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR ALL THESE YEARS.
I SUSPECT THEY WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.
IT'S JUST ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE DESCRIPTION, OUR HOMES ARE PERCHED.
THEY'RE NOT THAT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT THOUGH.
BUT IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND FROM THIS.
WHAT'S WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM TAKE YOU THROUGH.
WE, I, I TRIED TO DO IT BEFORE BUT YOU DIDN'T SHOW EXACTLY WHERE.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, IT'S JUST THE SLOPE BETWEEN THE TWO LINES.
IF, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK FROM THE FRONT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM SOME OF RIVER ROAD, BECAUSE I NOTICE THIS.
LET'S JUST DONE, LET'S JUST, I THINK WE'LL AFTER, I THINK I MIGHT BE, I MIGHT BE DONE BECAUSE I JUST, I NEED, IF I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, DAVID.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, EXACTLY THAT.
LIKE WE, I LOOKED AT THE PLANS, I SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A STORAGE THING KIND OF UP AGAINST THE HILL.
AND THEN I'M LIKE, ARE ARE THEY TOUCHING THE SLOPE? THEY'LL EXPLAIN THE, THE WHOLE THING TO FIT THAT IN THERE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU WANT ANSWER TONIGHT? AND WE'LL HAVE, HAVE THEM ANSWER IT.
SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE HE'S SHOWING IT OR AFTER OR SOMETHING? IF I DON'T UNDERST, SO SAID.
IF THIS ISN'T DIRECTLY ON POINT, YOU'LL BE SAT DOWN VERY QUICKLY.
SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY IN THIS PROJECT, DON'T BRING IT UP.
I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE, I'VE BEEN UP ON TOP.
I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT WAS MEANT TONIGHT, UH, WHERE THEY WIDEN THE AREA.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
IT HAS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THIS BECAUSE THE INK, THERE WAS A RECOGNITION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE EASIER TO TURN INTO A DRIVEWAY, WHETHER IT BE THIS OR THE OTHER.
SO WHAT THEY SHOWED WAS A RECOGNITION THAT THE WIDENING AND THE ABILITY FOR TRUCKS OR CARS TO GET INTO ANY AREA HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED.
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TO SEE THAT CONCEPT EXTENDED TO THIS AREA.BUT WE'RE ALREADY AT THE MAXIMUM.
I AM SPEAKING ON THE SUBJECT AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT.
AND I APPRECIATE NOT BEING INTERRUPTED UNLESS IT'S RELEVANT OR I SPEAK OUT OF TURN.
THE SECOND THING IS THE CONCEPT OF SIDEWALKS.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MADE THAT THEY, IN FRONT OF A PROJECT, THEY HAVE A CURB AND A SIDEWALK THAT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
TODAY WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING ALL OVER AND THIS CONCEPT OF A SIDEWALK NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED.
SO IT'S A SHARED AREA, ESPECIALLY FOR BICYCLES AND PEOPLE WHO USE A WHEELCHAIR.
I NOW HAVE AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR AND THE CURB DOES NOTHING TO PROTECT ANYBODY BECAUSE THIS TOWN HAS MILES AND MILES OF ROAD WITHOUT CURBS.
THE CURBS TEND TO BE IN WEALTHIER AREAS.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE THIS CONCEPT TO BE SEEN AT THIS AREA IS THE COUNTIES TRAILWAYS ASPHALT AREA THAT CAN BE SHARED BY POSSIBLY THE BUS MOVING OFF SLIGHTLY OR A DELIVERY VEHICLE MOVING OFF TO IT.
AND PEOPLE, YOU SAID SOMEBODY THAT THE BUS, YOU COULD SEE THE BUS COMING BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE AND PEOPLE ARE MORE PATIENT TODAY THAN THEY WERE YEARS AGO.
I FIND THAT PEOPLE WAIT AND LET YOU GET IN AND OUT OF AREAS MUCH BETTER.
BUT THE CONCEPT OF SIDEWALKS AND CURVES NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT WILL NEVER CONNECT TO ANOTHER SIDEWALK.
SO WHY BUILD IT FOR THE SAME MONEY? YOU CAN BUILD FOUR TIMES AS MUCH TRAILWAY SHARED BY PEOPLE WALKING.
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE WALKING ALL OVER.
CAN I ASK HOW THIS IS RELEVANT TO THIS? SINCE THE SIDEWALK ALREADY EXISTS, THERE'S, THERE IS A SIDEWALK SPECIFIED AND DISCUSSED IN FRONT OF THIS PROJECT.
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT IT MAY POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED TO BE REMOVED AND A FLAT AREA THAT CAN BE SHARED BY EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY BICYCLISTS RIDING THERE.
THEY CAN'T GET UP ON THAT CURB.
WE MAY SUGGEST ASKING 'EM TO REMOVE THE SIDEWALK AND PUT IT, WELL LOOK, THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT.
IT MAY NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S FOR FUTURE PLANNING.
I'M GONNA, I ONLY PUT THIS OUT THERE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT.
MURRAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS A STATE ROAD THAT SIDEWALK IS IN THE, THE RIGHT OF YEAH.
I HAVE CHALLENGED THE STATE ON THEIR DESIGN.
AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT IMPROPER DESIGNED BY THE STATE ANYMORE.
I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.
WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE THAT WAY.
YOU WANT ME TO SHUT UP ALL THE TIME AND I'M NOT ABOUT TO BE SHUT UP.
I'M NOT GONNA BE SHUT UP ALL THE TIME ANYMORE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT.
BUT I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED.
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK ON POINT, MR. BODEN.
I'M VERY GOOD AT MAKING MY POINTS RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT SUBJECT.
YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BUT OTHERS DO UNDERSTAND IT.
A ANSWER? THIS YOUNG LADY'S QUESTIONS PLEASE.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, IT'S MS. MS. RLA, G R A L L GLA.
SO I'M, I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY YOU RECEIVED MY NOTICE AND YOU OPENED THAT ONE.
WE, WE, WE, WE SENT THE NOTICE TO WHOM WE WERE DIRECTED BY THE TOWN.
AND AS, AS WAS CLARIFIED BY MR. SCHMIDT, THE Z B A TAKES CARE OF THEIR OWN NOTICE.
IT WASN'T LIKE MY CLIENT SAID, DON'T SEND THIS TO MS. GOLA, SEND IT TO EVERYONE ELSE.
UM, IN ADDITION, I DO THINK THE RECORD SHOULD BE CLEAR.
MY CLIENT DID ATTEMPT TO CONTACT AND DID AS I THINK AARON TALKED ABOUT, MEET WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATELY ABOVE AND TALK ABOUT SCREENING AND ISSUES.
SO THOSE WHO WERE WILLING, CERTAINLY THOSE WHO HE WAS EASILY ABLE TO, UH, REACH OUT TO THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM SURPRISED THAT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ONE ANOTHER ENOUGH THAT MS. GOLA KNEW MORE ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
STEVE, IF YOU WOULD SHARE SCREEN AS I, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, UM, AS HE'S PULLING THIS UP, AND STEVE WILL SHOW THIS, UH, ON THE SCREEN ON THE PLAN, THE ESSENCE OF THIS APPLICATION WAS TO ADD A PIECE OF
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PROPERTY THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY MY CLIENT.AS A RESULT OF DOING THAT, THEY WERE ABLE TO CREATE A LARGER AREA WITHIN WHICH TO PERFORM THE IDENTICAL BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.
SO NOW THEY HAVE, UH, TWO ACRES, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IF THE MATH THAT THE CHAIR AND MS. GOLA READ OUT LOUD, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT ONE 10TH OF THAT, UM, THAT'S IMPACTED AS A RESULT OF DISTURBANCE.
DISTURBANCE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN COMPLETE ERADICATION.
AND AS YOU TRIED TO EXPLAIN EARLIER, STEVE, SOME OF THIS IS YOUR PHRASE SMOOTHING OUT OF THE SLOPE.
SO IF YOU WOULD TAKE US THROUGH THE PLAN AND SHOW SURE.
SHOW EVERYONE WHERE THE GRADING SMOOTHING EARTH WORK IS TAKING PLACE.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, WHERE ARE THE TWO NEW STORAGE SHELTERS RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINES? SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT, WHAT, STEVE, BEFORE WE DO THAT SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT MR. STEINMAN'S ASKED YOU TO DO, I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO TALK ABOUT IT'S, IT'S RELATIVE TO WHERE THIS LADY'S HOUSE IS.
'CAUSE THE CONCERN IS THAT CLIFF THAT'S BEHIND THE PROPERTY AND THAT THERE WON'T BE A DISTURBANCE TO THAT.
SO UNDERSTOOD FOR THE BE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DO.
FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY, MAY I ASK MS. GOLA WHERE SHE IS, NORTH OR SOUTH ON THIS PROPERTY LINE? YES, YOU CAN.
I'M BEHIND THE NORTHERN MOST PART OF IT.
ATION PEOPLE ARE PART OF BEHIND, YOU KNOW, DOWNHILL FOR ME AND STONE IS GOT PART OF IT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, SO STEVE, IF YOU WOULD JUST ZOOM OUT FOR A SECOND SO WE CAN SEE THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY AND GESTURE WITH YOUR CURSOR TO THE LEFT OR THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND NOW TAKE US FROM THAT NORTHERLY CORNER TO THE GRADING AREA SLOWLY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR CURSOR AT THE TOP CORNER.
UM, SO THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE GRADING ON THIS PLAN, BUT IT SHOWS THE STEEP SLOPES.
UM, SO THIS IS THE NORTHERN END HERE.
THIS IS WHERE THEIR MAIN LITTLE SHOP IS.
UM, AND THEN THERE ISN'T MUCH GRADING GOING ON OVER THERE AT ALL.
UM, THEY MIGHT JUST SMOOTH OUT SOME OF THE ROAD IN FRONT OF HERE, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH, BUT AWAY FROM THE CLIFF AND STILL AWAY FROM THE CLIFF.
I'M, IT'S STILL AWAY FROM THE CLIFF.
ARE, ARE YOU, LET, LET'S, LET'S BE SPECIFIC, STEVE, MOVE YOUR PLAN TO THE LEFT AGAIN IN, OH, SORRY, STOP RIGHT THERE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER BEHIND THAT BUILDING PROXIMATE TO MS. GOLIS PROPERTY.
IS THERE ANY ACTIVITY GOING ON BACK THERE? UH, YEAH, LET ME PULL UP THE POST WORK.
YEAH, WE'RE ONLY, UM, NOT UP TOP.
THERE'S SOME STORAGE UP A ABOVE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING PALLETS AND STUFF UP THERE, BUT THERE'S NO GRADING WORK AT ALL GOING ON.
NO GRADING THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? NO DIGGING.
NO, THEY'RE PUTTING A STAIR IN, WHICH I THINK ALREADY EXISTS.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA TIDY UP THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE SHOULD BE ANY GRADING GOING ON.
YOU CAN PROCEED TO THE SOUTH TO THE PRIMARY AREA OF GRADING.
UM, SO THE, THE MOST OF THE GRADING IS HAPPENING CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO NORTH, THE, THE, THE TWO BIGGER SECTIONS NORTH AND SOUTH, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE, A LITTLE BIT INTO THE SOUTHERN PARCEL.
UM, SO THIS AREA IS GETTING, THERE'S A STEEP SLOPE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.
SO THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THE GRADING IS HAPPENING.
AND THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE FOR THE GRADING AT LEAST IS HAPPENING.
UM, AND THIS, THE GRID IS GETTING PULLED BACK TOWARDS THE SOUTH SO THAT THE ROAD IS SMOOTHLY RAMPED DOWN FOR VEHICLES.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO, NO ACCESS THROUGH THERE.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, STEVE.
THAT'S PART OF THE NEW PARCEL THAT HE ACQUIRED, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THIS MIDDLE, THE SMALL ONE IS THE NUMBER ONE HE GOT TOGETHER.
BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ADDING UP ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE DESCRIBED ON THE AGENDA THAT IS 90% OR MORE OF THE DISTURBANCE, I WOULD THINK, UH, PROBABLY SO.
YOU HAVE OUR STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE CHART HERE ON THE BOTTOM.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL DISTURBANCE.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PART OF IT.
MOST OF IT IS, IS THE GRADING THAT THE CHAIR REFERRED TO.
HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THIS PROJECT TO LAST? GREAT QUESTION.
STEVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ESTIMATE APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE GRADING AND SMOOTHING? I,
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I, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO PUT OUT A TIMETABLE, BUT I, I WOULD EXPECT THIS IS LOUIS, YOU WOULD GET THIS DONE IN A, IN ONE, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION SEASON.WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE, UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN.
I, NO, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO SPECULATE AND THERE UNEXPECTED THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING HALF A YEAR.
NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING A WEEK, A MONTH, GIVE OR TAKE, WHATEVER.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? THAT'S THAT AARON MIGHT HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON THIS THAN I WOULD.
THAT'S A MATTER I WOULD THINK.
YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE EITHER.
I'D RATHER THE APPLICANT RESPOND, YOU KNOW, AFTER SPEAKING WITH ITS CLIENT AND, UH, PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
WITHIN IF THE BOARD WERE TO CLOSE THE WRITTEN RECORD.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND, AND PROVIDE THAT RESPONSE.
IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, YOU'RE NEED TO COME TO THE MIC CAN, BEFORE SHE DOES.
STEVE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS RELATIVE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT? I JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
MAY BUT STEVE, JUST CONFIRM THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PLANNED, I THINK YOU'D SAID PREVIOUSLY, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THERE'S NO BLASTING OR CHIPPING PROPOSED, STEVE, TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE BLASTING AT ALL THERE.
I I, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY GET IT DONE IN THE, THE SUBSURFACE CONDITIONS, MAYBE THEY'LL CHIP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW.
AND IN FAIRNESS, I WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW HE WAS GONNA ANSWER THAT, AMANDA.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN SAY WHETHER THERE WILL BE NO CHIPPING RIGHT UNTIL THEY START TOUCHING THE EARTH AND SEEING WHAT'S THERE.
WE, AS THE CHAIR HAS INDICATED IT'S MOST OF IT'S ROCK.
SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHIPPING TO SMOOTH IT OUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT ANTICIPATING TO CUT INTO THE HILL AS FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TODAY.
SO WITH, WITH THAT SAID, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE CHIPPING PROTOCOLS AND ROCK REMOVAL PROTOCOLS IN PLACE THAT MUST MEET THE CODE CERTAIN SPECIFIED HOURS.
THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD RESTRICT, UM, THE DURATION IN TERMS OF TYPICALLY 30 TOTAL DAYS OF CHIPPING WORK.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GO ON FOR 18 MONTHS.
AND, UM, THERE'S DUST CONTROL, THERE'S SEISMIC REFRACTION SURVEYS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
THERE'S VERY, VERY DETAILED PROTOCOLS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED IF YOU'RE GONNA HAMMER OUT ROCK.
THE THING IS, NONE OF THIS, I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE PRIMARY POINT.
NONE OF THIS IS BEING DONE CLOSE TO YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? IT'S BEING DONE ON THE ACTUAL OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? NO, I CAN TELL YOU THE, THE CHIPPING LAST TIME, I MEAN, MY HOUSE SHOOK TO THE POINT WHERE THINGS FELL OFF COUNTERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY DID THE CHIPPING THE LAST TIME.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'LL BE CHIPPING.
I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT BEFORE.
SO I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE.
THEY'RE JUST TAKING, IF YOU, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE STEVE CAME ON WAS IF YOU JUST, NEXT TIME YOU'RE DOWN THERE ON SAW MILL ROAD, STOP YOUR CAR IN FRONT OF THE, THE WHERE THE TWO LOTS ARE, AND YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S KIND OF GOES LIKE THIS.
ACTUALLY FROM THE SIDE WOULD BE LIKE THIS.
SO THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT JUST GOES UP NOW WHAT WAS USED FOR SOMETHING BEFORE? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROCK'S UNDER THERE.
DAVID DOESN'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROCK'S UNDER THERE.
I IT'S NOT A HUGE AREA THAT THEY, THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
SO WE HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IF IT'S ROCKET, IT'S PIECES, THEY DON'T CHIP IT AT ALL.
THEY JUST, THEY JUST DIG IT OUT WITH A BACKHOE AND TAKE IT OUT OF THERE.
SO THAT WON'T BE, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S NOWHERE NEAR YOUR PROPERTY.
IT'S ON THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, I'M, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COME TO COME TO THE MIC.
WELL, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE, OKAY, WELL TWO THINGS.
ONE, THE PROPOSED STORAGE THING, WHERE IS THE NEW PROPOSED STORAGE THING? AND IS EVEN THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE CUTTING INTO THE HILL AT ALL TO FIT IT IN.
STEVE, DID YOU ANSWER THAT? UH, NO.
WE DO NOT NEED TO CUT INTO THE HILL.
POST STORAGE, THESE TWO BOXES.
ONE ON THE LEFT OVER HERE, UP BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND THE OTHER ONE IS OVER HERE.
AND THAT FITS WITHOUT CUTTING INTO THE HILL.
THERE'S AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL BEHIND THIS WHOLE CHUNK OF THE SOUTH PROPERTY.
AND YOU WON'T NEED TO TOUCH THAT TO FIT THE THING IN THERE.
WE SHOULD NOT, NO, WE WON'T BE TOUCHING THAT RETAINING WALL AT ALL.
SO THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO SAY IS, UM, WHEN YOU DID THE CHIPPING LAST TIME, UM, I ACTUALLY HAD TO REACH OUT TO GARRETT MORE THAN ONCE TO ASK FOR REMINDERS OF WHAT THE TOWN CODE SAYS ABOUT WHEN SHIPPING IS ALLOWED.
IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE AT LEAST, I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU GUYS WERE ALLOWED, AND I GUESS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO APPROVE IT AND ADD IN YOUR OWN STIPULATION ON SHORTER HOURS OF SHIPPING TIME.
BUT ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE NOT, AT THE VERY LEAST, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THIS TIME, LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE
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TO ASK THE TOWN TO ENFORCE IT.IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT, I UNDERSTAND WE WAS FOLLOWED.
THE TOWN HAS REALLY GOTTEN VERY PROACTIVE UNDER OUR CURRENT BUILDING INSPECTOR.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD A FEW ISSUES LATELY AND HE'S BEEN OUT THERE.
I MEAN, I, I DROVE BY ONE THING, I WON'T TELL YOU WHICH PROJECT IN THE MORNING, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR WAS OUT THERE TWO HOURS LATER AND SHUT DOWN THE PROJECT.
SO WE'VE GOT AN OUTSTANDING DEPARTMENT THERE NOW THAT IS VERY AGGRESSIVE AND AT, AT, AT MAKING SURE THAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE ENFORCED.
IF THEY SCREW UP, PLEASE PICK UP THE PHONE TO ANYBODY YOU NEED TO PICK IT UP TO.
BUT IT WAS JUST, I'M SURE YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE THIS TIME NOT TO HAVE IT.
I THINK THAT'S, AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THE STANDARD HOURS, THEY'RE 8:30 AM TO 3:30 PM THROUGH CHIP MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
NO WORK ON SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS, OR HOLIDAYS NOT ALLOWED AT ALL ON SATURDAYS FOR ROCK CHIP.
OH, THREE O'CLOCK PARDON ME? 3 38 30 TO THREE 30.
THREE O' I KEEP GETTING UP THREE OH ONE.
PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL PAUL FINER.
I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE TOO, SO I'VE DEFINITELY DONE THAT BEFORE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR COMING OUT THOUGH.
THANK FOR ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN THANK THE APPLICANT AS WELL FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? THE PUBLIC OR THE BOARD ON THIS PROJECT? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE 12TH, YOU SAID CORRECT.
WHO, WHO SECONDED? WALTER JOHAN.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE, UH, TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA BE GOING BACK IN A WORK SESSION A COUPLE MINUTES.
JUST POINT OF, JUST POINT OF INFORMATION.
WILL, WILL STAFF BE ASKED TO PREPARE A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR AN UPCOMING MEETING? I JUST THOUGHT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT.
AND AS SOON AS YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THE RESPONSE ON THE CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME, CONSTRUCTION DURATION, AND THE CHIP, I'M GONNA ANSWER BOTH QUESTIONS.
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BOARD 2306 AND PLANNING BOARD 23 DASH 12 MOUNT HOPE CEMETERY.
IT'S FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN TOWN.
IT'S A TOWN BOARD REFERRAL FOR THAT AND A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND DO WE NEED TO SEND ANYTHING? YES.
SO THE TOWN BOARD DID CIRCULATE ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY.
IT WAS REFERRED TO THIS BOARD.
SO, UM, FOLLOWING DISCUSSION OR NOW UP TO YOU.
YOU CAN JUST, THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS ANY OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
NO OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD BEING LEAD AGENCY THEN.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG NIGHT ALREADY.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THAT'S OUTTA THE WAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, WE HAVE, UH, PETER CATONE, CATONE ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AND PETER, WE'VE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN AND READY TO PUT UP THE DRAWING.
UH, I'M ALSO JOINED BY THERESA JOYCE.
SHE'S THE PRESIDENT OF MOUNT HOPE, UH, CEMETERY ASSOCIATION.
SO, UH, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN AND, UM, I COULD TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PROJECT.
SO THE, UM, WE WERE HERE JUST AS A REMINDER IN 2019 FOR, UH, ANOTHER PROJECT, UM, THAT WE'RE JUST CLOSING OUT, KNOWN AS THE SUMMIT AND A LOT OF THE SAME FACES ON, ON THE BOARD.
UM, SO THAT WAS IN, IF YOU COULD SEE MY MOUSE IN THIS AREA HERE, THE TWO SMALL BOXES ARE THE MAUSOLEUM PROJECTS THAT WE'RE JUST COMPLETING.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING OUR FINAL, UM, PUNCH LIST WITH THOSE.
AND WE EXPANDED A EXPANDED A, A, A DIRECT BURIAL AREA HERE.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS REFERENCE, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE, YOU PASS THE, UM, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
YOU KIND OF MAKE YOUR WAY UP THE HILL AND THERE'S THE BELL TOWER, WHICH IS AT THIS LOCATION.
AND IF YOU JUST KEEP GOING UP THE HILL, THE SUMMIT IS KIND OF AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.
THIS AREA IS JUST, UM, SOUTHWEST OF THE SUMMIT PROJECT.
IT'S, UM, CURRENTLY UTILIZED AS, UM, UH, CEMETERY MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND PART OF THEIR ROUTINE DAILY OPERATIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE, UH, STEEL CONTAINERS, WHICH THEY, UH, TRANSPORT EARTH IN.
SO WHEN THEY HAVE A BURIAL, THERE COULD BE EXCESS SOIL, WHICH WILL GO BACK TO THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEN OVER TIME, SOME, UH, BURIAL
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SITES MAY SETTLE AND REQUIRE THAT THOSE AREAS BE FILLED IN A LITTLE BIT AND THEY WOULD, UM, UH, AGAIN, TAKE THE EARTH.UH, FROM THAT, UH, UH, THE, THE WEST OF AQUEDUCT AREA.
ALSO, THERE'S, UM, YOU COULD IMAGINE, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF LEAVES AND, UM, PLANTS AND SHRUBS, UM, THAT, UM, ARE GENERATED AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, NORMAL OPERATIONS.
UH, THAT MATERIALS COMPOSTED, UM, IN THE, UH, WEST OF AQUEDUCT AREA.
AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY SCREENED AND, AND UTILIZED THIS TOP SOIL.
SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE HATCHED AREA, UM, IS THE PROJECT AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE TOTAL, WELL, THE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 102 ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, THE DISTURBANCE FOR THIS PROJECT IS JUST UNDER TWO ACRES, 1.78 ACRES.
UM, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH, UH, STEEP SLOPES.
UH, THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR THE PROJECT.
WE DO HAVE, UH, STEEP SLOPES FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, PROJECT.
YOU COULD SEE THAT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE, WHEN YOU COME UP THIS, UH, MAPLE DRIVE.
THERE'S SOME, SOME BERING HERE WITH, UH, EVERGREENS.
AND MOST OF THE CEMETERY MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS OCCUR BEHIND, UH, THAT BERM.
AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE, UM, LOOKING, UH, TO EXPAND OUR BURIAL.
UH, YOU COULD ALSO NOTICE THAT WE HAVE THE AQUEDUCT THAT RUNS, UH, THROUGH THERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A BURIAL LIMIT LINE.
SO THERE'S ALREADY, UM, UH, ESTABLISHED BURIED LIMITS, UH, WHICH ARE THE, UM, WHICH IS THIS LINE HERE.
CAN, CAN I A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
SO ALTHOUGH IT IS CEMETERY LAND, THERE'S NO IN-GROUND BURIALS, NO BURIALS OF THERE.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT FOR US? ABSOLUTELY.
I JUST HAVE THIS, UH, I WANT TO SLIDE THIS THING OUT OF THE WAY TO SHARE, UH, I THINK I CAN DO IT THIS WAY.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, AUC LIMIT LINE THAT'S INCORRECTLY LABELED.
THE AQUEDUCT LIMIT LINE ARE THESE INNER LINES.
UM, A LATER RENDITION, WHICH HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED YET, IS ACTUALLY THAT LINE SHOULD BE LABELED VERY LIMIT LINE.
UH, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SURVEY, UH, WITH THE RECORD SURVEYS.
THIS, THIS CEMETERY HAS BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 1886.
THERE'S, UH, SURVEYS FROM THE FORTIES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CURRENT DAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE VERY LIMIT LINES ARE ESTABLISHED.
THERE ARE NO, UM, UH, LIMITS ON, UM, ROADWAYS, UTILITIES AND OTHER STRUCTURE, BUT THERE'S NO BURIAL ON THAT.
UM, UH, THE UTILITIES THAT WE, WE WOULD HAVE IS, OR THE IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD HAVE IS, IS BASICALLY JUST THE ROADWAY.
UM, SO THE PROJECT IS, UM, PRETTY SIMPLE.
UH, IT'S SIMILAR TO, UM, IF ANYONE'S BEEN UP AT THE SUMMIT, UM, PROJECT.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD A WALL AROUND, UM, THE PERIMETER OF THE, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED BERRY AREA AND BASICALLY, UH, FILL, IT'S GONNA BE A READY ROCK WALL, SAME WALL AS THE SUMMIT PROJECT, AND BASICALLY FILL BEHIND THAT WALL.
BUT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, WHAT WE'LL DO IS AN EXTENSIVE, UH, BORING PROGRAM, UH, BY EXCAVATOR.
UM, BECAUSE THE, THE BURIALS HERE WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, ALMOST 1200, 1165 BURIALS ARE HERE, BUT THEY'RE DOUBLE D.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EIGHT FEET OF, OF TOTAL DEPTH, UM, EVERYWHERE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME BEDROCK OUTCROPPINGS, UH, THROUGHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY TEST
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PITS.YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HIT A ROCK.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CEMETERY HAS TO BE, UH, CERTAIN THAT, UM, THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER BURIED DEPTH BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BEFORE THEY SELL THE PLOT TO ANYONE.
SO WE'LL BE DOING A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UM, BORING PROGRAM.
AND, AND, UM, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL CHIPPING HERE AND THERE.
UH, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING LIKE THE SUMMIT WHERE WE CHIPPED THE ROCK FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, SO ONCE THE, THE WALL IS PUT IN, WE SIMPLY, UM, UH, FILL BACKFILL AGAINST THE WALL.
UM, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISH THIS AREA.
ONE, WE'RE CALLING THE SUB-GRADE PLAN.
AND AGAIN, THAT LETS THE CONTRACTOR KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO GET DOWN TO A CERTAIN ELEVATION IN ORDER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, VERIFY TO A CERTAIN ELEVATION.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL BE DOING THAT BY BORINGS.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S THE, THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS BASICALLY FLATTENING THIS AREA OUT.
UM, THESE, UM, UH, UH, TYPES OF LAYOUTS ARE CALLED SINGLES.
UH, THERE'S A COMMON, UH, FOOTING WHERE THE HEADSTONES GO AND THE THE BURIALS ARE BACK TO BACK.
UH, WE WILL ALSO BE, UM, CONSTRUCTING A ROADWAY.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH I COULD GO BACK TO, OR YOU COULD KIND OF SEE THEM UNDERNEATH IN A GRAY SCALE, THERE'S A SERIES OF, UH, COMPACTED GRAVEL AND OTHER ROADWAYS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE AREA, AS WELL AS A SMALL SHED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, STORAGE SHACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, UH, WE DID PREPARE A STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS.
UH, WE'LL BE TREATING BASICALLY WITH A DRY SWALE.
UM, SO THE ROADWAY WATER WOULD, WOULD REALLY, UM, UH, GO INTO THIS DRY SWELL SWELL.
AND, UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED THOSE CALCULATIONS, UH, TO ENGINEERING FOR THEIR REVIEW.
UH, WE'VE, UM, UH, EVALUATED THE, UM, THE YEARLY ABSORPTION AS WELL AS THIS C O TWO ABSORPTION AND, AND HAVE DESIGNED A, A, A PLAN TO, UM, MITIGATE, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL.
UM, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A TREE LEGEND HERE, BUT WE ARE MEETING THE CODE.
UM, THIS IS A, UM, MAP THAT JUST, UH, SHOWS COLOR CODED, UH, DIFFERENT DEPTHS OF CUT OR FILL.
UH, SOME OF IT CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING ROAD IS CUT.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF MANMADE, UM, BERMS, UH, THAT HIDE THE ACTIVITIES.
UM, AND, UM, AND THE EDGES ARE, ARE FILLED.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME PROFILES AND, YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY NOT THINGS THAT THIS BOARD IS INTERESTED IN, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT THIS BOARD MAY HAVE.
IT'S OUR FIRST VISIT TO YOU, UH, OBVIOUSLY FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND WE'RE LISTENING.
MR. CANONE, IF YOU WOULD SHOW THE PROFILES, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS NOT WORKING, BUT, UH, WE'LL GET IT SOMEHOW.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO HIT THAT ZOOM TAB.
I WAS TRYING TO DO IT WITH, UH, SO THIS IS A SECTION WE WILL I ZOOM TOO FAR?
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UH, THIS IS GONNA BE AA A ONE A TWO.AND BEFORE I ZOOM IN ON 'EM, I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE, UH, SHEET THAT SHOWS THEM, WHICH IS THE LAYOUT PLAN, JUST SO WE HAVE A REFERENCE OF WHERE THESE SECTIONS ARE TAKEN.
SO, UM, THIS IS A ONE YEAR, A TWO IS THROUGH THE MIDDLE AND A THREE IS ON THE EDGE.
SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, PROFILE PAGES, UM, AND WE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN.
SO, UM, UM, YOU COULD SEE THE RETAINING WALL STARTING ON THE LEFT.
UM, AND WE HAVE AT THE BOTTOM, THE EXISTING GRADE IS IN GRAY.
THE PROPOSED GRADE IS IN BLACK.
BUT YOU COULD KIND OF SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, UH, THERE, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF, UM, UH, MANMADE FEATURES OUT THERE.
ONE IS THE, THE BURNS, THE, THE, UM, SCREENING BURNS.
AND TWO IS THERE ARE PILES OF SCREENED SOIL OF VARIOUS TYPES ON SITE.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE EXISTING GRADE.
UM, THIS, UH, YELLOW GREEN LINE AT THE BOTTOM IS A SUBGRADE AND A PROPOSED GRADE IS UP HERE.
SO YOU COULD SEE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THE PUMPS OUT AND, AND JUST SMOOTHING THAT OUT ON THIS SECTION.
UM, OTHER SECTIONS MAY LOOK DIFFERENT.
THIS IS THAT, UM, UH, FILL, UM, SOIL PILE THAT'S OUT THERE NOW.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL BE CUTTING THAT AND FILLING, UH, AGAINST THE WALL.
AND THEN ONE MORE IS THE SHORTEST SECTION ACROSS THE BACK WHERE, UM, UM, AGAIN, WE'LL WE'LL BE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, FILLING AGAINST, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CUT, UM, AT THAT AREA.
I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS ACCURATELY 'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE GREEN LINE IS THE SUBGRADE PRIOR TO LIKE BURIAL FILL AND OTHER, WE'LL SAY PLANT MATERIALS HAVE BUILT UP OVER TIME AND CREATED THIS, WE'LL SAY RAISED PLATEAU AREA.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OR IS IT THE, THE SUBGRADE IS THE SUBGRADE OVER TIME? YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS AREA HAS BUILT UP AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, IT MAY NOT, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE NATURAL GRADE IS.
THE SUBGRADE IS THE MINIMUM DEPTH, UH, FOR BEARING.
SO THEY, THE, UM, THE CEMETERY HAS TO GET EIGHT FOOT OF BURIED DEPTH IN, IN ORDER TO GET RIGHT TWO BURIALS DEEP.
SO THE SUBGRADE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'LL BE EXCAVATING, UH, TEST PITS THROUGHOUT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HIT ROCK, UM, TO THE SUBGRADE.
WE DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT'S BELOW THE SUBGRADE OTHER THAN WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SUITABLE FILL THERE AND NOT RAW.
SO ALL THE PROPOSED GRADE IS THIS TOP ONE, RIGHT? AND EXISTING GRADE IS THIS AND THAT EXISTING GRADE, THE MOUNDS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE ALL MANMADE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER? MOST ARE, YES.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU SHOWING US THE NATURAL GRADE AND THEN NOW THE NATURAL GRADE? THE, WELL, THERE WAS NO NATURAL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NATURAL GRADE WAS, WHICH THE QUESTION, BUT THE EXISTING GRADE HAS THESE BERMS THAT WERE PROBABLY MANMADE AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER THROUGH, EITHER THEY WANTED THEM FOR PRIVACY OR THEY WERE USING 'EM FOR FILL.
SO THEY JUST TAUGHT JUST CUTTING THE, THE TOPS OFF.
AND THEN THE, THAT EIGHT FOOT GAP IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR, FOR, UH, TWO, ONE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
SO DON'T WE JUST ZOOM IN ON EXISTING CONDITIONS AND IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THESE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A MOUND HERE.
UH, THIS IS A MA THIS IS A PRIVACY BERM.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS A, THIS IS A MOUND HERE.
SO, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'RE JUST, UM, PICKING A CONTOUR
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OUT HERE, BUILDING OUR WALL AROUND IT.YOU COULD SEE THAT OUR BERRY AREA PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS, UH, THE EXISTING CONTOUR SHAPE.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE REMOVING THESE, HERE'S ANOTHER BERM HERE.
WE'LL BE REMOVING THESE BERMS IN THESE VARIOUS PILES AND USING IT TO FILL ON THE PERIMETERS OF THE WALL.
UM, I, I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT.
WHEN YOU BUILD BURIAL GROUNDS LIKE THAT AND ARE, ARE PUTTING, WE HAVE TOMBSTONES, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE RIGHT BELOW THE SURFACE, UH, THESE CASKETS ONE ON TOP OF ANOTHER.
DOES THAT AFFECT DRAINAGE AT ALL IN THE AREA? DO YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO, TO KEEP THE WATER AWAY FROM THOSE OR ANYTHING? WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE CASKETS AND TOMBSTONES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THERE'S NO, NOTHING SPECIAL THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
THE THING THAT WE, THAT WE NORMALLY DO WITH ANY WALL, THIS IS NO EXCEPTION, IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A DRAINAGE LAYER AT THE BOTTOM OR, UM, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE PATHS AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
AND, UM, SOME WHEAT HOLES ON THE WALL.
SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE A WALL, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WATER SATURATED SOILS, UM, DEVELOP THAT THAT WATER HAS SOMEWHERE TO GO RATHER THAN PUSHING THE WALL OVER UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ON THAT.
BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, YOU COULD SEE THESE, THESE AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTOURS.
THEY'RE ALL COMPACTIVE GRAVEL, YOU KNOW, UH, OLD ASPHALT, THEY'RE ALL IMPERVIOUS.
SO I THINK AS FAR AS OTHER THAN THE NEW ROADWAY, UM, THE BURIAL AREA WILL ACTUALLY BE IMPROVING THE, UM, INFILTRATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT WILL THERE BE A NET EXPORTER IMPORT OF SOIL, OR YOU'LL BE FOLLOWING WHAT WOULD AMOUNT TO 150 OR PRACTICE? BASICALLY MOVING SOIL AROUND, UH, THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE DID DO ON THE GRADING PLAN, A, A QUICK CUT AND FILL.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE CUTTING, OBVIOUSLY JUST FROM LOOKING AT THESE LARGE PILES AND, AND BERMS WE'RE CUTTING MORE THAN WE'RE FILLING.
UM, WE WOULD LIKELY, UH, KEEP THAT SOIL ON SITE, UM, AGAIN, TO UTILIZE, UM, FOR EVERYDAY OPERATIONS.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, AMANDA? YOUR QUESTION WE WERE GONNA ASK, UM, SO THE AREA WHERE THE ORGANIC MATERIAL WAS, UH, ACCUMULATED, WAS THERE ANY PESTICIDES OR HERBICIDES OR ANYTHING OR FERTILIZERS USED ON THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GRASS CLIPPINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ACCUMULATED THERE? IS THERE A NEED FOR TESTING? I, I COULD LET, UH, THERESA, UH, JOYCE ANSWER THAT, UH, QUESTION.
BUT, UH, GENERALLY THE CEMETERY IS A, A MINIMAL, UM, HERBICIDE PESTICIDE.
IT'S NOT LIKE A, A GOLF COURSE.
THERESA, ARE YOU ON THAT WAS THE BASIS OF MY QUESTION.
JUST KEEPING ALL THE SOIL ON THE SAME SITE, THAT'S NOT THAT CRITICAL.
BUT IF YOU EXPORTING IT, IT MIGHT BE, IF, IF MS. JOYCE ISN'T ON, IF YOU CAN JUST REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD OR, OR TO ME BY EMAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? DO YOU HAVE, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO ANY SORT OF PERVIOUS MATERIAL FOR THE NEW ROADWAY BEING INSTALLED, WHETHER IT BE PAVERS OR PERVIOUS ASPHALT? UM, WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED, UM, A PERVIOUS SECTION.
WE COULD DISCUSS THAT WITH OUR CLIENT.
UM, THERE'S SOME, UM, LET, LET'S, LET ME DISCUSS THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU, ONA.
WE DO HAVE A NET REDUCTION IN, UM, RUNOFF, UM, AGAIN, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING IMPERVIOUS, UH, THE WATER QUALITY SWALE, THE, THE DRY SWELL IS, IS BASICALLY FOR WATER QUALITY.
SO WE ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENT, BUT I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, PROBABLY A NET REDUCTION, BUT, UH, SOMETHING WE'VE ASKED ON OTHER PROJECTS, SO JUST WANTED YOU TO CONSIDER IT WITH THE CLIENT.
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I UNDERSTAND YOUR PRESENTATION CORRECTLY, THERE ARE SOME ACTIVITY ALREADY IN THAT AREA OR IS THAT GOING TO BE REMOVED? IS GOING TO, IF IT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED, WHERE IS IT GOING? WELL, THERE, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.THERE IS A MAINTENANCE, UH, FACILITY.
UM, LET'S SEE IF I COULD PAN THIS, UH, MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER MAP I COULD POINT TO.
THERE IS A MAINTENANCE FACILITY HERE.
THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS, AN AREA DOWN HERE WHERE THAT COULD BE, UH, MOVED TO.
BUT UM, THERE IS ALSO THIS LITTLE, UH, TRIANGLE HERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MOVES OVER.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL AREA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S OPERATIONS.
IT'S NOT REALLY CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE COULD GET YOU THAT IT IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE.
IT IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE THOUGH.
AND MY, AND A GENERAL QUESTION IS THAT YOU ARE ADDING WHAT, UH, ABOUT 2200 BURIAL SITES THERE? 700? YES.
AND YOU SAY, AND YOU ARE BURYING ABOUT 700 BURIALS A YEAR.
SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THREE YEARS WORTH OF BURIAL CAPACITY.
AND THE LAST TIME YOU, UH, CAME IN TO ADD MORE CAPACITY WAS THREE YEARS.
AND YOU'RE COMING BACK THREE YEARS NOW YOU'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT WOULD ONLY BE THREE YEARS.
AGAIN, HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE COMING UP WITH A LONG-TERM MASTER PLAN WHERE SOME, THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO US BECAUSE THE MOHAWK SCHOOL DID THAT.
THE HACKLEY SCHOOL DID THAT, REGENERON, REGENERON DID THAT.
SO WITH A OVERALL PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IT RATHER THAN COMING BACK THREE YEARS.
THE, THE ISSUE IS AGAIN, THE CEMETERY HAS BEEN, UH, OPERATIONAL SINCE 1886.
THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY AREAS LEFT.
SO AS FAR AS IF YOU DRIVE ONTO THE SITE, YOU MIGHT SEE SOME GREEN LAWN THAT'S UNPLANTED AND YOU MIGHT THINK, WELL, LOOK, THEY HAVE TONS OF AREA, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE AQUEDUCT.
UM, SO THE AQUEDUCT KIND OF RUNS, UH, DOWN THIS WAY.
I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S, SO THERE'S NOT THAT MANY AREAS LEFT.
SO OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE OTHER THING WITH THE CEMETERY IS WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE DEMAND IS GONNA BE.
WE JUST, SO JUST TO BACK UP, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY BURIALS AT THE SUMMIT SO FAR.
SO FROM 2000 TO 2023, UH, THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CUT AND FILL FOR THAT SECTION, PLUS A YEAR FOR THE MAUSOLEUMS. UM, SO HERE WE ARE.
UM, SO THOSE WERE REALLY, THESE TWO AREAS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A OPERATIONAL AREA CURRENTLY, BUT THERE'S NOT THAT MANY AREAS LEFT.
I, YEAH, I JUST THREW THAT OUT AS A POSSIBILITY, BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THOUGH, I, BY NO MEANS AM I PUSHING IT, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU NEED TO INDICATE WHERE THAT SERVICE ACTIVITY WILL TAKE PLACE.
AARON, TWO QUICK ONES IF I MAY.
UM, ONE, THERE IS A HISTORIC MONUMENT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED.
IT'S IDENTIFIED ON THIS DRAWING.
I, I BELIEVE I EMAILED THE TEAM, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, LATE LAST WEEK ABOUT JUST PULLING A DIMENSION FROM, FROM THAT MONUMENT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE TONIGHT.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AND IT'S PROBABLY SCREENED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW BEING THAT THAT MONUMENT SITS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT WAS DONE FOR THE PRIOR PROJECT AS WELL.
AND JUST AARON, JUST TO REMIND YOU, UM, THERE'S THIS CONFEDERATE VETERANS MONUMENT, WHICH IS, UH, NATIONAL, UH, WELL, THERE'S THIS, UH, SPANISH AMERICAN WAR MONUMENT AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE WORLD WAR II VETERANS MEMORIAL.
SO I THINK ON THE LAST APPLICATION WE PULLED DIMENSIONS,
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UM, TO ALL OF THOSE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.DO YOU WANT THOSE DIMENSIONS TO THE PROJECT OR TO THE PROPERTY LINES? WHAT'S TO, TO THE AREA OF WORK I'VE DISTURB.
AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, SORRY, JUST, UM, IN TERMS OF THIS AREA IN RELATION TO ANY NEIGHBORS, ON THE PRIOR PROJECT, YOU HAD IDENTIFIED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SCREENING EXISTING TREES, SO IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE.
NOW IN THAT CASE, THERE WAS A MAUSOLEUM, THIS IS JUST BURIALS, BUT THERE'S EXISTING VEGETATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE THAT EVEN DURING THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE NOTICEABLE FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AWAY.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S ACCURATE.
THERE ARE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY HEAVY, UM, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF BEDROCK HERE, BUT THERE'S PRETTY HEAVY LANDSCAPING HERE, WHICH WE, UM, OBVIOUSLY TRY TO PRESERVE.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE ARE TREES THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND, UM, INCLUDING, UH, A LOT OF SCREENING ALONG THE FENCE LINE.
SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM, UH, RESIDENTS.
THE NEAREST RESIDENTS ARE DOWN IN, UM, UM, I GOTTA GET THIS THING HERE, RIGHT? WE SEE ALONG EDITH SWAY.
AND I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE SUBDIVISION HERE, RIGHT? SO WE, WE COULD PULL DIMENSIONS TO THOSE AS WELL, BUT WE DON'T, THIS WON'T BE VISIBLE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ABOVE GRADE LIKE THE MAUSOLEUMS. RIGHT.
UM, THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, GRADE LEVEL.
ALRIGHT, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE OUTTA CURIOSITY.
SINCE THE CEMETERY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR SO LONG, IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF SOME UNMARKED GRAVES BEING IN THAT AREA? LIKE IS THERE ANY, ANY TYPE OF PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES TO MAKE SURE, UH, NOBODIES ARE BURIED UP THERE? UM, I THINK, UM, THE CHANCES OF THAT ARE PRETTY LOW.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL DO A, UM, THE SECRETARY HAS PRETTY ACCURATE RECORDS, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE BURIALS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, CEMETERY BUSINESS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CHARGE FOR THE PLOT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S RECORDS OF, UM, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S A LOT OF PLOTS THAT ARE RANDOM THAT ARE UNUSED, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PREDICT WHEN SOMEONE'S GONNA PASS AWAY OR WHEN THEY DO, IF THEY'RE GONNA END UP IN THIS CEMETERY AT ALL.
SO THERE ARE, UH, RECORDS OF EVERY, YOU KNOW, TRANSACTION.
SO IT'S THE START OF THE CEMETERY, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T, WE, IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THERE WOULD BE A UNMARKED GRAVE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT WARRANTS ANY TYPE OF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH.
AGAIN, WE WILL BE DOING AN EXTENSIVE WARNING PROGRAM, UH, ONCE WE BID THIS PROJECT, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE VERY DEPTHS.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UNMARKED OR UNKNOWN GRAVE ON A CONFEDERATE, THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.
UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT THIS POINT, CORRECT, WAS DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, YEAH, I HAVE.
WHAT IS THE TRIANGULAR SECTION ON OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE HERE? NO, NO, NO.
THE BIG ONE THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 87.
UM, SO THAT IS THIS TRIANGLE SECTION.
SECOND, UH, THIS IS A SEPARATE PARCEL.
UM, AND UM, THAT PARCEL'S UNDEVELOPED, UH, YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE'S SOME WORK COURSES RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
SO THE QUESTION THAT SOMEONE ASKED EARLIER, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS A FEASIBLE AREA, BUT THE SITE PLAN ANYWAY, IT'S NOT PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND IT'S GETTING LATE AND THEN WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
NO, NO, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE SITE.
I KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT, SO, ALRIGHT.
SO FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN REFERRED THIS PROJECT BY THE TOWN BOARD.
IT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT A FUTURE TIME.
BUT PROCEDURALLY, THE BOARD PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE CONSIDERING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN REFERRAL.
ANY, ANY THOUGHTS, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS? POSITIVE? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? OH, UH, WE SHOULD CLEARLY INSTRUCT THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT WE REQUESTED.
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THE RECOMMENDATION.AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, DO WE, DO WE HEAR A MOTION IN THAT, THAT DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? MOTION? I MAKE A, I, YEAH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROCEED WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, TOMBOY.
POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
ALL I SEE NO REASON WHY I SHOULDN'T BE POSITIVE.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
I'LL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
SO WE CAN DRAFT THAT UP FOR THE PLANNING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE CAN CIRCULATE IT AHEAD AND THEN YOU JUST YES.
TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT IT AND THEN WE'LL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE, WE HAVE, I HAVE MY NOTES INCLUDE INCLUDING THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED FOR.
SO MR. CATONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLANNING BOARD'S ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH STAFF WILL PREPARE FOR ITS REVIEW AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN WE CAN GET THAT OFF TO THE TOWN BOARD.
IS THERE ANY, UM, JUST PROCEDURALLY IDEA OF WHEN WE COULD EXPECT TO BE ON THE, UH, PUB FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE TOWN BOARD? DEPENDS ON THE TOWN BOARD SCHEDULE, NOT OURS.
SO WE'LL REFER IT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AFTER OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
THEY'LL GET A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THEY'LL SCHEDULE, THEY'LL SCHEDULE THE, THE HEARING.
IS IT COMING HERE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ALSO? NO, AFTERWARDS? NO, IT WILL, YEAH.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD, PUBLIC HEARING WON'T BE SCHEDULED UNTIL YOU CAN'T SCHEDULE IT.
WE KNOW THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS COMPLETED SEEKER AND THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS IT'S CLOSED.
OKAY, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, PB 2224 HEART HILLS HOSPITALITY AT 4 45 NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE.
THIS IS FOR SITE PLAN, BOARD SITE PLAN, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES TO PRELIMINARY AND IN PRELIMINARY OR SORRY, PRE-SUBMISSION.
UM, ONE THING WE SHOULD DO NOW IS, UH, DEC UH, INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT.
SO MOVED A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
THERE ARE FIVE AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
OKAY, WELL WHY DON'T YOU LET MR. STEINS GO THROUGH WHAT IT IS.
AND SO THE FIVE AREA VARIANCES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS A FOURTH THING THAT'S NOT ON THIS LIST, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO THE WAY THE PROCEDURE WOULD WORK, WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER AT SOME POINT, EITHER TONIGHT OR THE NEXT MEETING, YOU NEED TO GET ON THE ZONING BOARD SCHEDULE, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MEETING IS IN AUGUST.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'D BE SHOOTING FOR I THINK IS EITHER THAT OR SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE A VERY RAPID DEADLINE IF WE TRY FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AARON AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
SO LET'S SEE HOW FAR WE GET TONIGHT AND DECIDE WHAT WE WILL DO.
I I WILL TRY TO MOVE AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
DAVID STEINITZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZER STEINITZ REPRESENTING HARTHILL IN, IN PARTICULAR DEO HENRIQUE WHO IS HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, OUR, MOST OF OUR TEAM IS EITHER HERE.
MY COLLEAGUE BRIAN CIN IS HERE.
PETE CATONE IS STAYING ON OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FRANK SPATARO, OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT IS ON AS WELL.
YOU ALL KNOW THIS APPLICATION.
AS, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, WE DID TWO PRE-SUBMISSION PRESENTATIONS.
THIS IS A, UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, UM, AT 45 NORTH WASHINGTON IN THE M 14 ZONING DISTRICT PROPOSAL FOR EIGHT, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON A 0.6285 ACRE PARCEL.
I'M GONNA TRY TO, TRY TO BE BRIEF, SO I'M GONNA SKIP SOME THINGS.
WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS PLAN.
YOU ALL MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT OUR ROTATING THE BUILDING.
WE ACTUALLY ROTATED THE BUILDING.
WE'RE ON STEEP SLOPES, SO WE TRIED TO MINIMIZE OUR SLOPE IMPACT.
WE ALSO INCORPORATED SOME SUSTAINABLE ENERGY FEATURES, WHICH I'LL LET FRANK COVER.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, REDESIGNED THE BUILDING OR DESIGNED THE BUILDING WITH SOME GRAY SHINGLES, UH, UH, AND, AND BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, SOME STONE VENEER, SLOPE ROOF, EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING.
WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT AREA, APPROXIMATE TO FOUR CORNERS.
THAT'S GONNA BE ATTRACTIVE, MARKETABLE.
WE NOW HAVE A SMALLER BUILDING WITH LESS IMPERVIOUS AREA, LESS DISTURBANCE.
UM, I MENTIONED THE SUSTAINABLE FEATURES, SITE PLAN, APPROVAL VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD, STEEP SLOPES, APPROVAL TREE REMOVAL, UM, PERMIT AS WELL.
UM, I CAN GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES OR I CAN JUST HIGHLIGHT, I'LL START
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BY JUST HIGHLIGHTING WHAT THEY ARE AND IF YOU WANT TO GO IN DEEPER, WE WILL.AS A RESULT OF THE WAY THE TOWN ANALYZES LOT AREA, BASED UPON OUR SLOPE CONDITION, WE NEED A MINIMUM LOT AREA, UH, PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND, UH, VARIANCE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE WE'RE OFF.
UH, WE'RE PROVIDING 18.8 WHERE THE MAX PERMITTED IS 18.3.
UM, BUILDING COVERAGE YET WE NEED IT.
UH, REAR YARD SETBACK AGAIN, WE'RE, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SMALL.
WE, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER 35 FEET WHERE 40 IS REQUIRED BASED UPON THE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE WHERE FRANK, UH, AND PETE THINK THE BUILDING IS BEST SITUATED.
UH, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THAT REAR LINE DISTANCE FROM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO THE PARKING AREA.
I'M GONNA LET FRANK EXPLAIN THAT IN A MOMENT.
OFF STREET LOADING BIRTH SIZE, I'LL LET FRANK COVER THAT.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, MINIMUM LANDSCAPE BUFFER BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY.
WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT WHAT DEO AND FLORE ARE PROPOS REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THE SITE, UM, LOOK AWESOME.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO FRANK TO KEEP THIS MOVING EXPEDITIOUSLY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO FRANK, TAKE IT AND RUN AND, AND FRANK, YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR IT'S BEEN GOING A WHILE.
THEY'RE STARTING TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF PATIENCE.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO TO FRANK? WELL, I HAVE A COMMENT.
I THINK YOU KNOW, YOUR MIC'S NOT ON.
UM, I THINK YOU MADE SOME GREAT CHANGES.
DIDN'T THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAVE BALCONIES OR I MIXING THIS UP WITH ANOTHER YES, FRANK.
THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSAL HAD BALCONIES IN THE FRONT AND THE REAR WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THOSE BACK ON THE REAR ONLY.
EXPLAIN WHY FRANK WOULD EVERY APARTMENT STILL HAVE A BALCONY? OH NO.
SO THE SECOND FLOOR APARTMENTS, THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE BALCONY AND THEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR OWN PORCHES.
SO EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO THE OUTDOORS AND
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE IT ON BOTH SIDES.
THEY DON'T HAVE IT ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, WE LEANED AWAY FROM DOING THAT JUST BECAUSE, UM, BALCONIES AND TENANT USE CAN KIND OF BE HARD TO MANAGE AND WE THOUGHT THE BUILDING LOOKED GOOD AS IS.
WELL, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM ON BOTH SIDES.
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, I'M, I'M CONFUSED.
HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO ALL THE APARTMENTS, THE APARTMENTS GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH? YES, THEY DO.
AND I CAN SHOW YOU REAL QUICK.
FRANK, YOU CAN, YOU CAN START WITH YOUR SITE.
YOU CAN DO THE WAY YOU WANT TO LAY IT OUT.
SO THIS IS THE TYPICAL LAYOUT FOR THE FLOOR.
THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR ARE PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL.
UM, BUT THE UNITS GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THESE PORCHES BECOME BALCONIES.
UM, JUST, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
UM, SO THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE IS CENTERED ON THE PROPERTY.
IT MEANS APARTMENTS, IT RUNS EAST TO WEST ON THE SITE.
THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS 5,153 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THERE'S FOUR APARTMENTS PER FLOOR.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE BALCONIES AND THE PORCHES.
UM, THE REAR YARD CONTAINS THE 1,500 SQUARE FOOT USABLE AREA.
UM, 16 OF THE 18 PARKING SPACES ARE HIDDEN FROM VIEW UNDER THE BUILDING, RESULTING IN LESS SITE SITE DISTURBANCE.
FOUR EV CHARGERS INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED PREVIOUS TWO ARE PROPOSED UNDER THE BUILDING.
UM, 16 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE A APARTMENTS, THEREFORE THERE ARE TWO GUEST PARKING SPACES.
THE TWO EXTERIOR PARKING SPACES ALONG WITH THE REAR PATIOS WILL BE USING PERVIOUS PAVERS TO REDUCE THE SITE RUNOFF.
THE TRASH CORRAL WILL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW WITH A FIVE FOOT FENCE AND LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE BY 20 SIDE 26 FOOT LONG LOADING BER.
UM, THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY PARKING SPACES AND ALLOWS FOR CARS TO DRIVE BY THE STAIR FROM THE PARKING LOT TO GET UP TO THE APARTMENTS IS HERE, AND THEN IT HAS A NICE RAMP, A D, A ACCESSIBLE RAMP THAT'S BUILT INTO THE LANDSCAPE.
UM, ON TOP OF THE ROOF THERE IS ROUGHLY 2000 SQUARE FEET OF SOLAR
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PANELS PROPOSED.HERE IS THE UPDATED RENDERING WITH THE CURRENT PLAN.
UM, THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS THE VIEW ONE GETS WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING UP THE DRIVEWAY AND LOOKING AT THE BUILDING.
THE MASS OF THE BUILDING IS BROKEN UP INTO SMALLER MASSES THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL ON SCALE AND VARYING MATERIALS AND COLORS.
THE MATERIALS IN THE BUILDING WILL BE LIGHT GRAY, SHINGLE STYLE SIDING, GRAY VERTICAL BACK AND BOARD SIDING AND GRAY CANOPIES.
A STONE RETAINING WALLS WILL DEFINE THE PLANTERS AND THE BASE OF THE BUILDING.
HOW DO YOU GET FROM THE, UH, UNDERNEATH PARKING TO THE UNITS? SO YOU PARK YOUR CAR HERE, THERE'S A LARGE, UM, OPENING.
YOU TAKE A SIDEWALK, YOU CAN EITHER TAKE THE STAIRS DIRECTLY UP TO THE DOORS OR YOU CAN TAKE THE A D A RAMP AROUND AND UP.
SO IF YOU ARE HANDICAPPED, YOU PARK IN THIS FIRST SPOT, AND THEN YOU TAKE THIS REALLY LONG RAMP OUT IN THE RAIN OR THE INCLEMENT WEATHER, SNOW, ICE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A REALLY ICY RAMP IN THE WINTER, AND THAT'S HORRENDOUS.
SO, MONA, IN FAIRNESS, UM, I, I'M NOT SURE YOU, YOU CAN FIGURE ANOTHER WAY AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIGURE ANOTHER WAY.
SO LET'S JUST TAKE A STEP BACK.
IT'S AADA A, IT'S A, IT'S A D A COMPLIANT.
IF THIS WAS A LARGER BUILDING AND WE COULD GET MORE UNITS, OR YOU GAVE US FOUR STORIES, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT IN AN ELEVATOR.
I KNOW I'M NOT FOR AN ELEVATOR, SO IT'S, I'M ASKING YOU FOR ANOTHER, UM, EXIT THAT WE CAN MAYBE PUT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND DO A RAMP AT THE OTHER END.
THERE IS ANOTHER STAIR ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL FOR DIRECT ACCESS FROM THIS SIDE.
BUT AGAIN, UM, FOR, CAN WE RAMP THERE? LIKE SOMEHOW YOU CAN WRAP THERE.
WHAT WE COULD DO, AND I COULD DISCUSS WITH THE CLIENT IS WE CAN, UM, HAVE THE SIDEWALK HEATED.
HOW ABOUT COVERED? IS THERE ANY COVERAGE COVERED OR ANYTHING? COVER IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST HARD.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE RAMP.
SO THERE'S TWO OPTIONS FOR A D A RAMPS.
ONE IS ONE INCH PER ONE FOOT, ONE ON 12, WHICH IS ABOUT 8.3%.
AND THAT REQUIRES LANDING AREAS AT VARIOUS, UM, UH, PLACES.
THIS RAMP IS DESIGNED, UH, AT NO MORE THAN 5%.
SO WE, WE, WE WOULD RATHER, AND THERE'S NO LIMIT ON RESTING AREAS OR ANYTHING ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE MUCH GENTLER SLOPE.
SO, UM, THIS IS NOT A, YOU KNOW, ONE ON 12 RAMP, UH, SEVERE SLOPE RAMP.
JUST EXACTLY FOR YOUR REASONS IS THAT WE WANTED TO, TO MAKE IT AS, UH, COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE.
CONSIDERING THE LEFT, UH, THIS IS LESLIE.
IS THERE A DESIGNATED, SPEAKING OF THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? IS THERE A DESIGNATED UNIT THAT WOULD BE FOR, I GUESS OUT OF EIGHT UNITS, THE EXPECTATION? I MEAN, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME WHERE SOMEONE LIVING THERE CAN BE, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, THE EXPECTATION OR DO YOU DESIGNATE A PARTICULAR UNIT, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST FLOOR UNIT DESIGNATED AS WHAT? AS AADA A YES.
SO IN TERMS OF AADA A LESLIE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AADA A BATHROOMS AND HALLWAYS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
AADA A I I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS SOMEONE, IF YOU HAVE EIGHT APARTMENTS, DO YOU HANDICAP APARTMENT? DO YOU HAVE AN A, D A, FRANK? UM, SO PER COAT, ALL OF 'EM ARE DESIGNED TO BE TYPE B UNITS WITH TYPE A BATHROOMS. SO AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO, AND THEY'RE ALL IDENTICAL.
SO MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH COMING FROM THE PARKING LOT, THE EXPECTATION THAT ALL EIGHT UNITS, A PERSON WHO'S HANDICAPPED WOULD HAVE TO REACH THE BACK UNIT OR HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AND AROUND.
HOW WOULD THEY GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR? YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GETTING TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO, SO, BUT THEY COULD GET TO A FIRST FLOOR APARTMENT, CLEARLY.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S FOUR APARTMENTS.
SO THOSE FOUR, SO THEY GOT A DIVERSE,
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ABOUT 120 FEET.AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IN TERMS OF THE, THE REALITY OF ALL FOUR APARTMENTS CONTAINING PEOPLE WHO ARE HANDICAPPED, I DON'T THINK HE'D WANT TO MOVE THERE, BUT I YOU BECOME HANDICAPPED.
I THINK WHAT TOM JUST ARTICULATED IS REALLY WHAT I'M THINKING.
I THINK IT'S A FAIR, AND, AND I THINK LESLIE SAID THE SAME THING.
IT'S UNLIKELY THAT SOMEONE WHO IS SIGNIFICANTLY HANDICAPPED IS GONNA FIND THIS NECESSARILY AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO RENT.
HOWEVER, EVEN IF IT MEETS THE CODE, EVEN IF IT MEETS THE CODE AS AS, AND MANY PROPERTIES IN GREENBERG PROBABLY DON'T MEET THIS CODE, BUT THE ISSUE REALLY IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU, IF IT BEFALLS SOMETHING HAPPENS AND SUDDENLY YOU FIND YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
AND, AND MONA, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION, BUT REMEMBER IT IS, THIS DOES COMPLY WITH WHAT THE GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENT IS TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.
I THINK MY POINT WAS THAT IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE RAMP OR THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE RAMP IN THAT THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SUCH AN ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE NEEDING TO USE THAT RAMP OR THEY HAVE TO GO SO FAR BECAUSE THEY WOULD JUST GO RIGHT UP THERE TO THAT FIRST UNIT.
IF THAT'S THEIR UNIT, I GET, FIRST OF ALL, DEPENDS ON, ON HOW, HOW DISABLED THEY ARE.
AND ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT REGULAR WHEELCHAIR.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE AREN'T IN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIRS.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE WITH, THEY THEY HAVE WALKERS OR THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR.
PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS THAT ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS LIKE THAT, UNLESS THEY'RE WHEELCHAIR ATHLETES OKAY.
ARE NOT LIKELY TO BE, TO GO THAT FAR WITHOUT ASSISTANCE.
THE SECOND THING THAT COULD BE DONE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, WHICH WOULDN'T COST YOU A FORTUNE.
THE PROBLEM IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HIDE IT BECAUSE IT'S THERE UGLY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN APARTMENT BUILDINGS NOW THAT JUST HAVE A, IT'S A SINGLE LIFT.
I'VE SEEN RESTAURANTS THAT HA HAVE THESE WHEELCHAIR LIFTS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FLIP THAT.
THOSE, NO, THOSE LIFTS ARE USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDINGS THAT, UM, ARE EXISTING AND THEY'VE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE RIGHT.
WELL, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK LIFTS ARE ALLOWED IN NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I DO, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT, I, I SEE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN A LOT OF PLACES THEY COULD LIFT LIVE.
AT LEAST THEY CAN GET, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN ASSISTANT, OKAY.
IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO WHEEL WHEEL SOMEONE 120 FEET.
SO I JUST, THE ONLY THING I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS IN THE WINTER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THOSE PEOPLE TRY NOT TO GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT EXCEPT IN AN EMERGENCY, JUST FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.
BEFORE WE GO TO ON WHEELCHAIR, ON WALKERS, THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN AND ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY, AND I WAS IN TWO OF THEM WITH MY OWN FATHER.
THE DISTANCE FROM THE PLACE YOU EAT OH YEAH.
TO THE PLACE YOU SLEEP IS CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN 120 FEET.
SO, SO FOR US TO, TO, TO JUST ARBITRARILY SAY SOMETHING, AND I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT TO SOMEBODY WHO'S RAISING IMPORTANT CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.
THERE'S A REASON FOR THE AADA, THIS BUILDING IS FAR MORE AADA A CONDUCIVE THAN MANY OF THE SENIOR FACILITIES THAT ARE OTHERWISE IN THIS TOWN.
AND THAT PLEASE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.
WALTER, THIS RAMP IS GONNA HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED IN THE WINTER MONTHS, YOU KNOW, FOR ICE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN.
CONSIDERING THAT, UH, AS YOU SAID, IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, A VERY SIMPLE, PRACTICALLY NO COST COMPARED TO THE CO.
YOU SEE WHERE THAT RED TREE IS THERE HALFWAY UP THE RAIL.
JUST SOMEONE COULD JUST STOP AND REST FOR A MINUTE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PRACTICALLY NO COST.
IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE LANDSCAPING ANY WITH A WALKER.
IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT A BENCH.
FRANK, DO WE HAVE ROOM FOR A POTENTIAL BENCH IN THAT AREA? YOU WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT? JUST AT THE, I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, THE MIDDLE IS RAMPED, SO I'D PREFER TO PUT IT MAYBE IN ONE OF THE ENDS OR AT THE END, THIRD, AT THE END, AT THE, THE TOP OF THE HILL.
WHY, WHY WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING ONE.
WE LET US TAKE A LOOK AT SEEING IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A PLACE TO CREATE A RAMP OR A PULL OUT OR SOMETHING.
I WANNA SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
WE TRASH ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS.
THIS IS A FANTASTIC IMPROVEMENT YEAH.
IT REALLY IS A GOOD JOB AND FORWARD THINKING.
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THE RECORD.THANK YOU, MARIE FOR THAT DEMONSTRATION.
THE QUESTION IS, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, YOU'RE MAKING THE LAWS, BUT NONE OF YOU ACTUALLY USE A WHEELCHAIR.
DON'T SAY THAT MURRAY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH.
I USED A WHEELCHAIR FOR A WHILE MYSELF, AS DID I.
THE OTHER POINT, I, I FORGOT WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, BUT, UH, WHERE WE HAVE THAT, UH, I GUESS WHERE THE GARBAGE TRASH CORRAL.
BUT I REMEMBER SOME COMMENT ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T RECALL.
WAS IT THE, THE LOADING AREA? LOADING BIRTH.
FRANK, YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT LITTLE AREA? I THINK THAT, I THINK IT WAS THE ISSUE OF THE INTEGRATION OF THE TRASH CORRAL VERSUS THE LOADING AREA AND YOUR ABILITY TO HIDE THE TRASH CORRAL WHERE SNOW WILL GO AND THOSE THINGS.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ADDRESSED IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE TEMPERING LOADING AREA WILL BE IN THIS LOCATION HERE, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE PLAN, IT'S DASHED HERE.
AND WHERE WOULD YOU PUT SNOW WHEN YOU WERE MOVING IT FROM THE LOT? SNOW WOULD BE UP IN THESE AREAS AND ALONG THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
MOVE THAT, BECAUSE I MEAN, LUCKILY A LOT OF THE PARKING IS NOW UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, RIGHT? THERE IS A LARGE DRIVEWAY.
AARON, AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? WE COULD DO ONE TONIGHT IF YOU WANTED TO, AND I'LL TELL YOU.
I, YEAH, I KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
I, I WANT TO GO, I JUST WANT AARON TO GO THROUGH THE, THE, UH, MAGNITUDE OF, OF THE VARIANCES BEFORE WE DECIDE THAT.
BUT I THINK THIS IS A TERRIFIC PROJECT, FRANKLY.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, BEFORE, BEFORE THAT, UH, I BELIEVE MR. SIAH HAS A QUESTION.
DOES IT MEET A, A D A CODE? WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR A HALF AN HOUR.
THIS MEETS THE CODE FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING FOR NEW YORK STATE, CORRECT? THE YORK STATE.
IT'S A FEDERAL, NO, IT'S NOT NEW YORK STATE, BY THE WAY.
BUT NEW YORK AND YOU, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT MEETS THE A D A, THE AADA A REQUIREMENTS, I ASSUME BAKED INTO THE NEW YORK STATE BUILDING CODE, FRANK IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES.
NEW YORK STATE BUILDING CODE REFERENCES.
I'M, I'M, I'M REGISTERED I TODAY.
I KNOW THAT SIR, BUT JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT IT DOES.
IT REQUIRES ALL THE, UH, ALL THE NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR PUBLIC.
UH, IF IT'S OFFERED TO PUBLIC FOR RENTING OR TO THE NO, NO, BUT SINCE YOU SAVED MAY IT'S NOT.
OKAY, AARON, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON TONIGHT? SO, PROCEDURALLY, TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UM, WELL, YOU CAN CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.
WE TYPICALLY PACKAGE THE SEEKER DETERMINATION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
WHICH I DO BY THE NEXT MEETING.
STAFF CAN DRAFT A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING FOR YOU TO VOTE ON AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL CIRCULATE THE LEAD AGENCY INTENT TO THE Z B A AND ANY OTHER INVOLVED OR INTERESTED AGENCIES.
WE'LL SEEK TO GET A RESPONSE SO THAT WE CAN FACILITATE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT AT THE EARLIEST WILL BE ON WITH THE Z B A AUGUST 17.
WELL, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED AARON TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES, THE, THE VARIANCES, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE VARIANCE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AT ALL.
AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE TONIGHT, I BELIEVE WOULD BE THE BEST THING OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GIVE A POSITIVE, NEUTRAL, OR NEGATIVE DECLARATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE RATIFY HIS RECOMMENDATION.
FINALLY, WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION BECAUSE THE ZONING BOARD CANNOT MAKE A DECISION UNTIL WE AS WELL WILL WE LEAVE AGENCY BY THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'RE GONNA CIRCULATE, WE'RE GONNA CIRCULATE AND SEEK IF WE CAN'T YEAH.
IF WE DON'T HEAR BACK IN TIME, IT WON'T BE UNTIL THE SECOND, IT WON'T BE UNTIL THE AUGUST 2ND.
SO WE HAVE TO GET THAT BACK THAT EVERYBODY BLESSES US AS LEAD AGENCY, WHICH THEY WILL, WE KNOW THAT THAT'LL HAPPEN PROBABLY AT THE ZONING BOARD'S NEXT MEETING, THEY'LL DO THAT BECAUSE THEY, THEY ALWAYS ALMOST ALWAYS DEFER TO US.
AND THEN WE JUST, THEN WE CAN, WE, WE MAKE A, SEEK A DETERMINATION AND SEND THE RECOMMENDATION SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THE ZONING BOARD, HOPEFULLY SO THEY CAN GET OFF OF THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
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OKAY.SO TONIGHT WE'LL BE VOTING TO INSTRUCT, UH, WHAT TO WRITE WHAT WE HAVE TO VOTE.
WHAT, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A STRAW POLL THEN? YEAH.
AFTER GOES HE KNOW WHAT, HOW TO WRITE IT UP.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE FIFTH, THEN SHE'LL VOTE AT THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE VARIANCES.
MINIMUM LOT AREA PER DWELLING UNIT REQUIRED FOR THE EIGHT UNITS, 24,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES 22,912 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S BASED ON THE BUILDABLE LOT AREA.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THE OVERALL LOT AREA EXCEEDS 24,000.
HOWEVER, WITH THE REDUCTIONS DUE TO SLOPES ON THE SITE, THE BUILDABLE LOT AREA IS 22,912.
THE ACTUAL LOT AREA IS 27 27 3 78.
SO IT'S ALMOST 3,500 MORE THAN REQUIRED.
EXCLUDING THE STEEP SLOPE REDUCTION.
MAXIMUM PRINCIPLE BUILDING COVERAGE, 18.3% PERMITTED 18.8%.
THREE MINIMUM REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE BUILDING.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS BEHIND THE REAR YARD QUESTION? WHAT'S THE NEXT, UH, PROPERTY? WE'LL ASK, UH, MR. SPIRO TO SHOW THE PLAN THERE.
SO, BEHIND THE PROPERTY? YEAH.
IT'S AN APARTMENT, ISN'T IT? IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
IS IT UP A HILL? UM, IT'S UP A HILL.
YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF ONE OF THE LARGE APARTMENT BUILDINGS BACK THERE, BUT THERE'S A DECENT YARD IN THEIR REAR AS WELL.
THE HAMLET AT HARTSDALE, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT IN ZOOM ISSUE, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS ACTUALLY 40 FEET, SIX INCHES AWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BALCONY.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, FRANK.
MAKE SURE YOU PUT THAT IN THE DECISION.
IT'S WHICH MICHAEL HAD ASKED FOR, FOR THE BALCONY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BALCONY.
DO WE WANNA GET DRONE OR ANYTHING LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST TO SHOW WHAT THEIR VIEW IS? NO, I DON'T THINK IT, WE'RE NOT.
MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO PARKING AREA.