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[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 6, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
AND, UH, READY.GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO, UH, OUR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023 MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? SURE.
AND, UH, ABSENT THIS EVENING ARE MR. GOLDEN AND MR. SIMON.
UH, FIRST MINUTE, UH, ANY, LEMME DO A MISS CHRIS.
WE HAVE A NOMINEE TO OUR BOARD HERE AS WELL.
YOU ACTUALLY CAN SIT AT THE TABLE WITH US TONIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE.
I, I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE HAVE A FEW LITTLE DETAILS AND THEN YOU'LL BE JOINING US AS A MEMBER.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I DON'T.
I THOUGHT THE MINUTES WERE EXCELLENT.
I'LL TAKE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES THEN.
LET'S NOT HAVE THE, THE, THE, UH, 22ND DELAY TONIGHT.
NOW THAT PASSES CORRESPONDENCE ARE TWO THINGS IN CORRESPONDENCE TONIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS AN EXTENSION FOR BEAVER HILL.
DO YOU WANNA BRIEFLY, AARON, EXPLAIN THAT? SURE.
AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LETTER WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
SO THIS RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH ZERO ONE, THE REESE SUBDIVISION ON BEAVER HILL ROAD, INVOLVING MULTIPLE LOTS THAT ARE SEEKING TO ESSENTIALLY RE SUBDIVIDE TO GAIN SOME ADDITIONAL LAND.
THERE'S A STRIP OF LAND ALONG THE REAR THAT, UM, THEY'RE SEEKING TO PIECE OFF TO THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
AND THEN OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY HALF OF IT WILL REMAIN, UH, WILL BE IN TOWN OWNERSHIP.
SO THERE'S BEEN, UH, SOME DELAY WITH RESPECT TO PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND GETTING THE PLATT SIGNED.
THE PLATT HAS BEEN REVISED AND IS NOW I'M TOLD BY THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE VARIOUS CLIENTS THAT IT'S GETTING SIGNED BY EACH INDIVIDUAL PARTY, WHICH NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE COUNTY WILL ENDORSE IT SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK FOR FINAL.
UM, THEY DID REQUEST A 90 DAY EXTENSION, HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE RETROACTIVE TO JULY 31ST.
SO IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARTIES INVOLVED IN GETTING THEM ALL TO SIGN ON.
THE PLATT MIGHT TAKE MORE TIME THAN A NORMAL ONE.
DO I, YOU WANNA MAKE THAT AS A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE GRANT A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
SECOND IS LESLIE, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? YES.
ONE OTHER PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, UM, WE GOT, UM, A LETTER OF WITHDRAWAL OF THE UNITED REFRIGERATION APPLICATION.
THAT WAS A RESULT OF THE ZONING BOARD TURNING DOWN OUR RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY, UH, FOR THE HEIGHT INCREASE ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, THE, THEIR RATIONALE, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT WAS VERY DIFFERENT FOR SOME REASON BETWEEN THE TESTIMONY HERE AND THE TESTIMONY AT THE ZONING BOARD WAS WHEN WAS IN FRONT OF US, THERE WAS NO, NO, UH, COMMUNITY OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS VEHEMENT COMMUNITY OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY DID A BALLOON TEST, WHICH WE DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPPOSITION.
SO THERE WAS A NEW PIECE OF INFORMATION WHEN THE ZONING BOARD GOT THAT.
I'M SURE THE CONCERN ALSO ABOUT PRECEDENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TURNED, TURNED DOWN.
UM, AND THEY WITHDREW THE APPLICATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA REAPPLY.
WE HAVE NO IDEA AT THIS POINT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
F FIRST, UH, CASE F IS P 2210, WHICH IS THE CHOW.
IT IS FOR A FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
GARRETT, WERE THERE ANY GARRETT? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM,
ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS IN THIS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? NOTHING THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PRELIMINARY.
WE JUST CARRIED OVER THE CONDITIONS
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GOOD ENOUGH.SO WE HAVE, UH, FOUR VOTES I BELIEVE ON THIS TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE IS, I NEED A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
DO I HAVE THAT MOTION? SO MOVED.
NOW I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.
EXCUSE ME, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
JOHANN, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
NOW A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, EXCUSE ME, DO WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
AND FINALLY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SOHAN JO HARM.
ALL OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS THAT PASSES.
DID YOU VOTE ON THAT? THAT LAST ONE? I OKAY.
WELL ENJOY THIS AND THEN, UH, GET THE PLAT SIGNED FOR YOU AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH EITHER TOMORROW.
THANK YOU FOR THE COOPERATION ON IT.
THIS WAS NOT AN EASY APPLICATION 'CAUSE OF ALL THE CONFUSION EARLY ON WITH, WITH THE OWNERSHIP AND, AND THE LINES AND STUFF.
SO IT WAS A GOOD COORDINATION OF THE APPLICANT WITH, UH, A LOT OF WORK DONE BY MANDA ON THIS AS WELL.
OKAY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NOW BE JUST IN FAIRNESS TO THE PUBLIC, 'CAUSE THE NEXT ONE THAT WAS ON OUR ORIGINAL AGENDA IS GOING TO BE A FAIRLY LONG MEETING, I THINK.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, LET'S GET THE PUBLIC HEARING OUT OF THE WAY TONIGHT, I THINK.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON, ON ZOOM FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE DID HAVE ONE INTERESTED PARTY THAT I, I SENT THE LINK OUT TO.
IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
FOR, UM, REMEMBER STAY ON POINT.
WE HAVE A HUGE AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO I REALLY, REALLY BEG YOU, UNLESS IT'S SPECIFIC.
YOU, I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO GET UP AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET UP RIGHT NOW.
NO, BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAID TO ME.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN ORDER.
UH, AND I WANT IT TO BE PART OF THE RECORD THAT YOU ADDRESSED ME IMPROPERLY.
AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT.
I WANT RESPECT FROM YOU AS YOU WANT RESPECT FROM ME.
RESPECT THE TIME OF EVERYBODY HERE.
LET'S GO OUT IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
SHUT OFF THESE MICS AND WE'RE GOING UP ON, ON STAGE.
UH, THIS IS, UM, I'M ON THE WRONG PAGE.
CASE PB 2316, LITTLE DRAGON AND DAYCARE.
DO WE NEED TO TAKE ATTENDANCE UP HERE? OH, YES, WE DO.
I KNOW A FEW THINGS, NOT YOU DO.
BECAUSE MY BRAIN IS IN HIS PHONE TODAY.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU TAKE ATTENDANCE MINUTES, PLEASE? SURE.
ABSENT THIS EVENING ARE MR. GOLDEN AND MR. SIMON.
IT'S, WE HAVE ONE CASE TONIGHT, WHICH IS P 2316.
UM, LITTLE IF HE CAN TURN DOWN MY, MY MIC A LITTLE BIT.
NO, HE NEEDS TO TURN IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN THE, IN THE CONTROL ROOM JUST A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE IT'S ECHOING AND FEEDING BACK.
UM, ONE 30 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
IT'S FOR PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE FACILITY.
UH, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY A DAYCARE FACILITY IN THE CHURCH FACILITY AND IT'S, THEY'RE DOING IT AGAIN.
UM, IT'S CALLED LITTLE DRAGON DAYCARE.
AND, UM, I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT JUST TO BRIEFLY, MAYBE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, IF POSSIBLE, DESCRIBE THE PROJECT FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD.
MS. CHANG, ARE YOU THERE AND ABLE TO PRESENT? YES.
DO YOU NEED ME TO SHARE THE DRAWINGS OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE ABLE TO DO VIA THE SHARE SCREEN? UM, ACTUALLY YOU CAN SHARE THE JOIN ACTUALLY.
AND IS, DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO THAT YOU CAN TURN ON? UM, OKAY, LET ME JUST SEE.
WE SEE YOU AND I HAVE THE DRAWINGS OF,
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YEAH.AND, UM, CAN I START? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
YEAH, LIKE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, BASICALLY, UM, WE ARE GONNA, UM, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP AT DAYCARE AT ONE 30, UH, NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE AND PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUSLY THIS WAS A NURSERY SCHOOL AND, UM, FOR THE PAST 30 SOME YEARS.
AND, UH, WE'RE BILINGUAL, LITTLE DRAGON DAYCARE, WE'RE BILINGUAL AND WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, MARKET AND TO, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, FULFILL THE NEED OF THE PARENTS.
AND ESPECIALLY A LOT OF, UH, PARENTS.
THEY NEED A BILINGUAL, EITHER THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A ASIAN OR URGENT, OR THEY DON'T, THEY WANT THEIR KIDS TO LEARN, UH, A SECOND LANGUAGE.
AND SO THIS IS VERY BE BENEFICIAL AND, UH, FOR, FOR THE YOUNG KIDS.
AND, UH, UM, SO THE CAPACITY OF THIS PLACE IS GONNA BE 30, UH, KIDS AND AT FOCUS CAPACITY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED LAST TIME AS A BILINGUAL AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, BASICALLY WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, UH, REQUIRE OR DEMAND FROM A LOT OF PARENTS AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, FOR US TO OPEN A SECONDARY LOCATION.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE PROVIDE RELIABLE SERVICE, I ACTUALLY, WE DO, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, REPUTATION AMONG THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, UM, THE HIGH LEVEL RELIABLE SERVICE.
AND, UH, FOR DAYCARE AND PARENTS, THEY CAN FEEL, UM, AT EASE AND, UH, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, GO TO WORK AND KNOW THEIR CHILD IS IN A GOOD DAYCARE.
NOT ONLY, UM, IN A SAFE AND GOOD ENVIRONMENTAL, BUT ALSO WE PROVIDE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE YOUNG KIDS.
AND BASICALLY OUR AGE GROUP IS FROM TWO TO FOUR.
THAT'S THE AGE GROUP WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON.
MS. CHEN, COULD YOU, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU FOCUS ON THE OPERATIONAL PART OF IT? 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, I, WE, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.
IF YOU COULD FOCUS ON LIKE, THE HOURS, HOW PEOPLE COME AND GO THERE, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND, AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
SO, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE SIX TEACHERS AND THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THERE'S GONNA BE THREE CLASSES.
UH, AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD, UM, CLASS AND BETWEEN 10 TO 12 KIDS.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A MIXED AGE, UM, CLASSROOM, AND WHICH WE UTILIZE THROUGH CLASSROOM AND BETWEEN THE YEAR THREE AND TO FOUR.
SO THE HOURS ARE, UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONS FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND, UH, WE PROVIDE LUNCH AND UH, WE PROVIDE AND, YOU KNOW, SNACK.
WE ALSO HAVE WHOLE DOOR PLAY AREA, IF YOU CAN SEE.
AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF BUILDING.
AND THERE'S 18 BY 18, UM, SIX FEET, UM, PRIVACY FENCE AND MAKE SURE THE KIDS GOING TO NOT ONLY HAVE A OLDER ACTIVITY, BUT ALSO THEY'RE GONNA BE IN A SAFE AND ENVIRONMENTAL.
AND, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME SURE.
WELL ONE, ONE OF, LET'S SEE IF SHE CAN DO IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS OBVIOUSLY THAT PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT WITH THESE KINDS OF THINGS OF THERE KIND OF BEING A RUSH OF PEOPLE AT ONE TIME.
HOW DO PEOPLE COME, COME? DO THEY COME AT ONE TIME OR DO THEY COME STAGGER? STAGGERED.
SO THERE'S NO REAL BACKUP OF TRAFFIC EVER? NOT AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY KIDS WOULD BE IN THE, UH, PLAYGROUND AREA AT ONE TIME? UM, THE, THE, THE CAPACITY IS 30 FOR 30 KIDS, UH, JUST FOR THE PLAYGROUND.
HOW MANY AT ONE TIME? THE, UM, PLAYGROUND BY CLASS, WE DON'T HAVE THEM ALL COME TOGETHER.
SO WHEN, BASICALLY SOME OF THE KIDS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I JUST A DETAIL EXAMPLE.
TWO YEAR OLD WILL COME MAYBE 1145 TO 11, UM, TO 1140.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, UH, TO SEE.
BUT ANYWAY, SO EARLIER CLASS, THE OLDER CLASS FROM THE THREE FOUR, THEY PROBABLY GOING TO COME 10 15 TO 1130.
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THEN THE SECOND, UH, GROUP AFTER THE OTHER KIDS, THEY GOING FOR LUNCH.AND, UH, SO THE SECOND, THE YOUNGER TWO YEAR OLD, THEY WILL COME IN FOR OUTDOOR PLAY.
HOW MANY CHILDREN THOUGH, THOUGH, AT, AT A TIME WILL BE IN, IN THE ENCLOSURE? THAT I THINK WAS KURT'S QUESTION.
ABOUT FROM I THINK 12 TO MAXIMUM 15.
BECAUSE, UH, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AREA FOR 300 SQUARE FEET FOR, UH, 15 OR 20 KIDS.
IT'S, AND THEN YOU HAVE A PLAY EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
SO I THINK, UH, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY, WE PLAY OLDER GAME.
I DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT OVER THERE IN ORDER TO RUN.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, FRESHY AIR AND WE DO, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, ORDER LIKE LITTLE DANCE AND MUSIC AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
IT JUST WANTED TO BE, UH, NOT TOO CROWDED BECAUSE THEN THE KIDS WILL START RUNNING OUTSIDE AND PLAYING OUTSIDE.
SO THAT'S CONCERN TO BE SECURE? ACTUALLY, NO.
YEAH, THERE'S NO SUCH A, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, THE, THE SPACES ACTUALLY, WE SPOKE TO THE CHILD COUNCIL, LIKE, UH, IN FACTOR AND HE TAUGHT US.
OKAY, ASAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE OUTDOOR IS LET THE KIDS TO, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY THEY STAY INSIDE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS.
THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME FRESH AIR.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY PER PERSON, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OF SETTING IS GOOD FOR THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND IT WILL BE FENCED IN WITH A GATE AND A SIX FEET.
THERE'LL BE SUPERVISION BY THE TEACHERS, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.
TWO TEACHER GOING TO BE MINIMUM TWO TEACHERS AND GOING TO BE RIGHT OVER THERE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE TO, TO EXIT, UM, IN THE FENCE AREA.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ERIC, DO YOU HAVE A FEW LITTLE DETAILS TO FILL IN? YES.
SO I THINK WE COVERED THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH IS GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 324 SQUARE FEET, SURROUNDED BY A SIX FOOT HIGH VINYL PRIVACY FENCING.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA AROUND THE PLAYGROUND.
THEY HAVE THE SOLID FENCING PROPOSED.
THERE AREN'T RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, OUR JURISDICTION.
YOU HAVE THAT JURISDICTION, OKAY.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT'S IDENTIFIED PARKING SPACES FOR PARENT DROP-OFF AND PICKUP OF CHILDREN AND IS PROPOSING THE ADDITION OF A STRIPED CROSSWALK IN THE PARKING LOT AREA.
UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THIS BOARD, WE DID REACH OUT TO OUR, UH, GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY REGARDING, UH, ANY ACCIDENT DATA IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVENUE AND JANE STREET.
THERE WAS ONE REPORTED ACCIDENT IN THE LAST, UH, OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
SO IT WASN'T DEEMED, THERE WEREN'T ANY TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES DEEMED NECESSARY IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC, DO WE HAVE ANY PRETEND ZOOM DOES THAT WANNA SPEAK? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME? IF SO, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
I'M GONNA STOP THE SHARE SCREEN.
SO I THINK, DARREN, YOU TALKED ABOUT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARENTS WANT THE CHILDREN INSIDE.
ZIN ISS JUST LISTENING IN OR IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME.
MR. ZAN, IF, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
WELL, LETS SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM, FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
AND THEN, AND THEN MR. BOWDEN, WE'LL, UH, COME IF HE'S BACK THERE.
I'M QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE I'VE MET WITH THE TRAFFIC, UH, COMMITTEE THAT DESIGNS THE MANUAL AND UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
I AND TWO OTHERS DESIGNED THE DOTTED LINE THAT DEFINES AN AUXILIARY LANE.
I'VE SPOKEN TO THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE AT LEAST TWICE REQUESTING UNIFORMITY IN THE TRAFFIC MANUAL.
SO BY EXPERIENCE, I'M AN ENGINEER, I'M AN EXPERIENCED TRAFFIC.
I CAN SPEAK ON TRAFFIC ISSUES.
I WILL SPEAK ON ONE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND REALIZE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING ARE NOT CORRECT.
ANY OF THOSE THINGS RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
MR. BOWDEN, WE'RE ONLY SPEAKING ABOUT THIS MR. THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, AS I'VE TOLD YOU, I I EXPECT YOU TO RESPECT ME IN MY, I'M BEING VERY, JUST A MINUTE, I BEING VERY RESPECTFUL.
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OKAY.I, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
THIS BOARD IS A MINISTERIAL BOARD.
WE EXECUTE THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS.
IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD ONES, OKAY? IF YOU HAVE THOSE SUGGESTIONS, I SUGGEST YOU GO TO THE TOWN BOARD MEETING AND GIVE THEM THERE.
GIVING THEM HERE WHILE THERE ARE PEOPLE WAITING ON THEIR PROJECTS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WE SPECIFICALLY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
I'M HAPPY IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND YOU'VE HAD SOME VERY CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS ABOUT PROJECTS.
CAPTAIN LAWRENCE, I CAN REMEMBER, FOR EXAMPLE.
OKAY, SO IN THE CHURCH, GO OVER INTO YOU WHO THAT IS, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ON, ON, ON MUTE.
SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU SPEAK ON THIS.
UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU SEE HERE, HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THAT.
BUT IT HAS TO BE ON THIS PROJECT.
I REFER TO THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
IT SAYS THE ADDITION OF A STRIPED CROSSWALK IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S FINE.
GREENBERG HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN PEDESTRIAN SAFETY FOR YEARS.
THE ONLY CROSSWALK THAT LOOKS THE SAME TO THE DRIVER IS THE EUROPEAN BAR CROSSWALK.
IT'S MANDATORY IN NEW YORK CITY, THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND MANY OTHER PLACES.
GREENBERG HAS PERMITTED THE ZEBRA CROSSWALK TO BE USED ALL OVER WITHOUT QUESTION.
AND I QUESTIONED THE SAFETY OF IT.
I JUST CAME OVER TONIGHT ON, ON SECOR ROAD, THE LIGHT TURNED GREEN.
THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME DIDN'T MOVE 'CAUSE HE WAS TEXTING.
I HONKED THE HORN AND HE MOVED.
A DISTRACTED DRIVER TODAY LOOKS UP, NEEDS TO SEE THE CROSSWALK, THE SAME CROSSWALK EVERY SINGLE TIME.
AND IT'S NOT, IS HE, IT IS PERMITTED THE ONES THAT YOU'RE USING, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAFEST.
SO WHAT YOU WOULD BE SUGGESTING, MS. PARTICULAR CASE, I'M SPEAKING, ARE YOU GOING TO INTERRUPT ME OR GONNA LET ME FINISH? I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION, MR. MR. BODEN.
LOOK, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD AN ADV.
IF, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE'VE HAD AN ADVERSARIAL.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE COMBATIVE, YOU CAN BE AND I'LL GET YOU THROWN OUT.
OKAY? YOU'D BE THROWN OUT, BE MY GUESS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE.
YOU JUST THREATENED TO THROW ME OUT.
I, WHICH IS AGAINST WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
NO, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO LISTEN TO ME AND WHEN I'M THROUGH, YOU CAN COMMENT.
I'M SPEAKING ON THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
AND I'M ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
I WANTED TO BUILD ON SOMETHING.
YOU SAID THE, I JUST LOOKED AT THE PLANS.
THE PLANS CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WHAT YOU'RE CALLING A ZEBRA CROSSWALK.
RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO A PARALLEL BAR CROSSWALK.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A PARALLEL BAR CROSS? IT'S A SERIES OF BARS THAT WHEN A DRIVER LOOKS AT 'EM, HE SEES A SERIES OF BARS.
ARE THEY RAISED? NOT AT AN ANGLE? NO, NOT AT Z ZEBRA.
THE ORIGINAL ZEBRA CROSSWALKS WERE CREATED YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND CROSSWALKS.
SO THEY MADE A VARIETY OF, OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE
THIS IS 2020 VIEWS, DESIGNS OF ROADS THAT WERE DESIGNED 50 YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR A WORLD THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CHANGE FROM WHAT'S ON THE PLAN TO A PARALLEL RIGHT LINE CROSSWALK.
LIKE WOULD LOOK LIKE A LADDER.
KIND OF LIKE A LADDER KIND OF, RIGHT.
WITHOUT, WOULD WITHOUT THE N BARSS? THE SAME.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY SUGGEST WITH THE APPLICANT AND TALK TO THE, THE POLICE ABOUT.
BUT IF YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DONE TOWN WIDE, I REALLY STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT I MEET WITH GARRETT, WHICH I'VE TOLD YOU AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO GARRETT.
WE SIT DOWN AND WORK OUT THIS BEFORE.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS KIND OF THING AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
I'VE YET TO HEAR FROM GARRETT WHEN WE WILL MEET AND DISCUSS IT.
YOU'RE TRAFFIC GO, GO ON WITH YOUR RESIGNATION.
YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IS ALSO AN ERROR AND HE'S WELCOME TO BE IN THAT CONVERSATION.
THIS HAS TO BE SS CORRECTED ONCE AND FOR ALL, FOR SAFETY REASONS.
IT'S BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT WE WANT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IN GREENBURG.
WELL, ONE OTHER RECOMMENDATION, MR. BODEN, YOU SHOULD CONTACT LUCAS CHAFFEY.
LUCAS HAS BEEN HEADING A, A TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THE TOWN.
IN FACT, THEY JUST PUTTING OUT A REPORT NOW.
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SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TALK TO HIM AS WELL BECAUSE HE, I THINK HE DOES HAVE THE AIR, THE TOWN BOARD ON SAFETY MEASURES.LUCAS LUCAS EMAILED ME SOMETIME WITHIN THE LAST 10 DAYS ABOUT GREAT.
AND I SUGGESTED THAT I, I, UP UNTIL NOW, I HAVE STOOD HERE AND MADE SUGGESTIONS FROM HERE.
GOING FORWARD, I WANT TO BE PART OF THE GROUP THAT WRITES THE RULES.
I ASK TO BE ON VARIOUS BOARDS.
I DON'T WANNA STAND HERE AS AN OUTSIDER, I WANNA BE PART OF THE DECISION MAKING.
I JUST, THIS IS, AS I SAID, NOT A FORMAL, WE CAN AFFECT THAT CHANGE.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THE LADDER KIND OF, UH, DESIGNS FOR, BUT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN, UH, PROBABLY IMPOSE ON DOING THE, FOLLOWING THE THINGS THAT IS APPROPRIATE ON A PUBLIC PROPERTY.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THESE PLANS.
YOU CAN DENY REPOING APPROVING THE PLANS UNTIL THEY USE THE SAFEST CROSSWALK POSSIBLE.
I CAN'T WHAT? NOT UNLESS THE CODES CHANGE.
IF THE LAW DOES NOT, IF THE LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE IT, WE CAN SUGGEST IT.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE CODE SAYS, EVEN IF WE DON'T LIKE IT.
YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CITY? I DIDN'T SAY THAT AT ALL.
THAT'S, THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
NO, WE ARE GONNA FOLLOW THE CODE EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW IT'S STUPID.
WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION TO, TO CHANGE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON THIS, THIS, UH, APPLICATION? OKAY.
IN WHICH CASE I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WHEN? SEPTEMBER 13TH TILL SEPTEMBER 13TH.
AND, UH, MS. CHANG WILL MAKE A DECISION AT OUR NEXT MEETING OKAY.
IS WHEN THE DECISION WOULD BE MADE, WHICH IS ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER 13TH.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? PUBLIC HEARING? AYE.
I WAS HAVING TROUBLE UNMUTING MYSELF.
I KNOW YOU'RE CLOSING THE MEETING.
JUST ONE QUICK, UH, COMMENT IF I MADE SURE.
SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS, LOOKING AT THE PLANS, UM, I SEE THE DEDICATED PARKING SPOTS FOR QUITE A, A BIT OF VOLUME OF IN AND OUT OF, UH, PEOPLE COMING TO THE DAYCARE.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT THOSE SPOTS ARE LARGELY BEING OCCUPIED ON CENTRAL AVENUE FROM THE NAIL SALON AT 100 CENTRAL AVENUE.
I ALSO, FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, HAVE, UM, BEEN UTILIZING SIX, UH, SIX OF THOSE SPOTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE PLANS TO, UM, UH, NOT ALLOW 100 CENTRAL AVENUE OR MYSELF, UH, WILL NO LONGER HAVE USE OF THOSE SPOTS.
AND, AND IN ADDITION TO WHICH, WHEN THE CHURCH RUNS ABOUT FOUR TO SIX TIMES A YEAR, THEIR FLEA MARKETS, WHOEVER DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, WHOEVER CONSULTED THE POLICE ABOUT THAT AND ACCIDENTS.
I'VE BEEN AT THAT PROPERTY FOR 53 YEARS AND I'VE WITNESSED HUNDREDS OF THESE FLEA MARKETS AND ALMOST AT EVERY SINGLE ONE, THERE'S SO MUCH CONGESTION THERE THAT THERE ARE POLICE ASSIGNED TO A MANAGEMENT TRAFFIC.
AND THERE ARE ALWAYS FENDER BENDERS THERE.
NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE WHEN SCHOOL IS TAKING PLACE, IT'S GENERALLY ON SATURDAYS.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT'S A VERY CONGESTED INGRESS AND EGRESS, ESPECIALLY BEING ASIDE FROM THE CHURCH, ASIDE FROM THE DAYCARE, YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY NAIL SALON.
AND MY OFFICE IS, I WOULDN'T SAY VERY BUSY, BUT AGAIN, OCCUPYING SIX OF THE SPOTS.
SO IF THEY PLAN TO REMOVE THE USE OF THE SPOTS FROM MYSELF AND THE NAIL NAILS ON, UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF SOMEONE PROPOSED THAT TO US.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT IN THE PROPOSAL.
AND EVEN IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE OR IS THE CASE, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
HAS THERE BEEN AN ISSUE THE LAST 36 YEARS WHEN A DAYCARE WAS OPERATING THERE? UM, WELL, NOT REALLY.
I MEAN, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, LITTLE CHILDREN AND PARENTS WALKING IN AND WALKING OUT
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AND PICKING UP AND, UM, IT'S VERY CONGESTED.AND YOU KNOW, I, AT THAT TIME, ONLY UNTIL RECENTLY, AS I SAID, THE NAIL SALON HAS ONLY BEEN UTILIZING IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND THE, THE DAYCARE HAS BEEN EXTINCT FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS SINCE COVID.
SO THAT INTERACTION HAS NOT, UH, HAPPENED.
BUT NOW THAT COVID IS OVER AND YOU HA WILL BE HAVING, IF THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE UTILIZATION OF THOSE SPOTS WITH THE NAILS ON AND SO ON, IT'S, I WOULDN'T WANT MY CHILD COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
UH, MR. MS. CHEN, DO YOU WANNA RESPOND TO, UH, YES, DR.
ZONE IN PLEASE? YES, ACTUALLY I HAVE.
SO NURSING SCHOOL IS KIND OF DIFFERENT FROM DAYCARE, NURSE SCHOOL.
THEY HAVE A KIDS, UH, THEY CAN LIKE, UH, HAVE A KIDS OVER THREE HOURS BASICALLY GO TO BE PARENTS DROPPING OFF, PICKED UP, DROPPING OFF DURING THE DAY.
AND UH, HOWEVER, FOR DAYCARE, PARENTS ONLY DROP OFF IN THE MORNING, THEN THEY PICK THEIR KIDS LATER, YOU KNOW, LIKE AROUND FIVE OR FIVE 30.
AND AND MY CAPACITY IS ONLY 30 KIDS.
I THINK THE DAYCARE, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE KIDS THAN WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO.
AND ALSO THE DAYCARE, UM, CLOSED EARLY THIS YEAR.
AND, UH, SO I, I DON'T SEE THERE'S MUCH DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR US, FOR US, WHEN I LOOK AT, SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TRAFFIC COMPARED TO THE NURSERY SCHOOL.
SO I DON'T THINK
BUT FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I GUESS THE CHURCH HAS, UH, ALLOWED, UH, THE NAIL SALON AND DR.
ZONE'S PATIENTS TO PARK ON THAT PROPERTY.
IS THAT WELL, NO, I, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN PAYING FOR THOSE SPOTS FOR 40 YEARS.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING OKAY.
AND, UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LEADING TO.
IS THAT GONNA COME TO AN END? AND IF SO, WHY ISN'T THAT PART OF THIS? YOU CURRENTLY THERE WAS 40, YOU SAID YOU, YOU'VE BEEN IN PRACTICE 50.
SO WHAT HAPPENED THE OTHER 10? IS IT UP? WE HAD, WE, WELL I HAD MY OWN PARKING LOT AND AS THE PRACTICE GREW OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, WE NEEDED MORE PARKING.
SO THAT'S WHY THE FIRST 10 YEARS OR SO, BACK IN THE SIXTIES, IT WASN'T NECESSARY.
AND NOW IT IS, YOU STILL NEED TO THE OVERFLOW.
FROM EITHER EMPLOYED PARKING OR PATIENT PARKING.
AND THEN HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU ESTIMATE THE NAIL SALON USES REGULARLY? I BELIEVE THEY USE ALSO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX SPOTS.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL SHOWING 16 SPOTS IN THAT SOUTHERN PARKING LOT, IT SEEMS RATHER MISLEADING BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE OCCUPIED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A SHARED LOT.
IT OBVIOUSLY IS BECAUSE HE'S GOT A, HE'S GOT A RENT, HE'S GOT A RENTAL AGREEMENT.
I DON'T REMEMBER READING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE STRICT USE OF THE PARTICULAR SPACES.
LIKE WE WOULDN'T, WELL THERE ISN'T THAT.
PLUS I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES PARKING AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ANYWAY, WE DID.
SO THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WILL FREE UP SOME OF THE SPACES IN THE, IN THAT, UH, NORTH, WHAT'S THAT? THE NORTHWEST, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER.
WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THE LOT FOR THE PARKING SPACES? THE CHURCH.
THE CHURCH, THE, THE CHURCH OWNS THE LOT.
OKAY, BUT WHICH, WHICH SPACES ARE YOU USING? YOU'RE THE ONE, ARE YOU USING THE ONES THAT ALONG CENTRAL I USE.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE THROUGH SIX.
I USED TO TAKE 10 OR 12 OF THEM, BUT IT'S ONE THROUGH SIX.
SO FROM CENTRAL AVENUE GOING INTO THE PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTHERLY SIDE.
NOW WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH MS. CHANG, THE LAST TIME AT THE WORKS SESSION, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WATCHED NO.
WAS TO HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK, BUT YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE BUILDING ANYWAY.
SO THAT WOULD FREE UP A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE FOR YOU IN THE FRONT AND NOT CREATE A BIG PROBLEM THERE, I DON'T THINK.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WHAT I THINK, I MEAN WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A DECISION ON THIS.
WHAT I SUGGEST IS, EXCUSE ME, MS. CHANG, COULD YOU SIT DOWN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING WITH, WITH, WITH THE DOCTOR AND WITH THE NAIL SALON TO DISCUSS THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT? HEY HUGH? YEAH.
IT SOUNDS AS IF
IT'S MORE OF A SAFETY TWO, TWO PEOPLE TALKING TO YOU ONE TIME.
ARE YOU SURE? SHOULD ME OR HIM? NO, NO, I'M SAYING HIM, JUST HANG ON FOR A SECOND.
ZAN, JUST, JUST HOLD ON FOR A SECOND.
IF HE HAS AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE CHURCH YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THEN HE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHURCH AND
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SO SHOULD MRS. CHANG AND SO SHOULD THE, THEY SHOULD ALL SIT DOWN TOGETHER.I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
BUT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS NO ONE HAS APPROACHED, I HAVE A YEARLY SIGNED CONTRACT FOR THOSE PARKING SPOTS, I THINK, AND NO ONE HAS APPROACHED ME TO SAY IT WON'T BE RENEWABLE OR IT'S AN ISSUE.
SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS STRANGE.
THE CHURCH HASN'T APPROACHED ME.
I'M THINKING WE MIGHT, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS, HOW MANY SPACES ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR THE DAYCARE.
THAT'S VERSUS HOW MANY ARE REQUIRED FOR SUCH A FACILITY.
THIS TESTIMONY, WE HAD NO IDEA.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
WE WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THAT.
WHEN HOUSEKEEPING THING, ALL THIS, I'D LIKE TO GET IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICIALLY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I'D LIKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL AND INCLUDE ALL OF THE RECORD OF THE LAST, UH, OF, SINCE WE, WE ORIGINALLY CLOSED IT.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
UH, LESLIE, WE SECOND? SECOND, YES.
SO NOW THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU GUYS GET THERE TOGETHER, ALL OF YOU, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE DR.
ZNO GOT A LEASE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW.
DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT MS. CH CHANGA WAS NEVER IN THE PLANS? UM, ACTUALLY, UM, I'M NOT SURE CERTAIN THING, BUT UH, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE CHURCH, CHURCH, HE TOLD ME SOMEONE USING, BUT THE, THE, HE NEVER GOT THE PAYMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO ON GO NO SUCH THING.
UH, YEAH, BUT ANYWAY, DON'T ABOUT DR.
YEAH, AND ALSO I HAVE TO SAY BY REGULATION, AND I ONLY HAVE A CAPACITY WITH 30 KIDS.
I THINK MINE IS MAXIMUM, I WOULD SAY EIGHT PARKING SPACE SHOULD BE PLENTY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID BEFORE, OKAY, THE PARENTS GONNA, THEY DON'T COME ALTOGETHER.
SO A COUPLE OF THEM COME IN LIKE, UM, THEN ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 MINUTES.
SO NOBODY GOING TO USE THAT SPACE OUT SPACE.
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED FOR THAT NURSERY BECAUSE I, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
SPOKE TO THE NURSERY OWNER, NEVER EVER THERE WAS ANY ISSUE EVEN WITH HER CAPACITY.
OKAY, HERE'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, MS. CHANG.
THE, THE PROPOSAL YOU MADE IS ACTUALLY INACCURATE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REFLECT THAT THERE ARE DEDICATED SPACES ON THE PROPERTY.
ZAN AND POTENTIALLY THE NAIL SALON HAVE LEASES, THOSE ARE DEDICATED SPACES CURRENTLY, WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
OKAY? I'M NOT SAYING THAT PRECLUDES YOU FOR MAKING A DECISION.
ZONA, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I, I HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT WITH THE CHURCH THAT IS RENEWED YEARLY.
SO THERE'S NO, I AND MISS AND THE TRUSTEE OF THE CHURCH WHO IS EVER ON LULE IS THE ONE WHO'S DR.
HE DRAWS UP THESE CONTRACTS EVERY YEAR.
WE'RE VERY, I HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHURCH AND BY NO MEANS AM I TRYING TO BE A STUMBLING BLOCK TO, UH, WHAT'S TO THIS DAYCARE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PARKING SPOTS, AND I WILL SAY THIS, OVER THE YEARS WHEN THE NURSERY SCHOOL WAS THERE, THEY WERE ALWAYS IN MY PARKING SPOTS.
BUT TO BE NEIGHBORLY, EVEN THOUGH I WAS PAYING FOR THEM, IT WAS A SHORT STAY, DROP OFF PICK UP, LIKE THIS WOMAN IS SAYING.
SO I, NO HARM, NO FOUL, BUT THERE WERE MANY OCCASIONS WHERE MY EMPLOYEES OR MY PATIENTS WOULD COME TO THEIR DEDICATED SPOTS AND THERE WERE PARENTS OF THESE CHILDREN UNDERSTAND IN THOSE SPOTS.
UH, SO WHERE IS, WHERE IS YOUR OFF, UH, WHERE IS YOUR OFFICE LOCATED IN THIS ONE? YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I'M THE ADJACENT PROPERTY SOUTH.
1 1 6 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE, WEDGEWOOD PROFESSIONAL CENTER.
THE ADJACENT BUILDING TO THE, THE RIGHT TO THE CHURCH.
SO, SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CROSS THE THING? THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT YOU TAKE TO, THERE IS A PATH THAT LEADS FROM THAT PARKING LOT RIGHT INTO MY PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS ANYTHING BECAUSE THE SPOTS ARE ON THE SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE? YEAH, I THINK SO.
IT'S NOT PART OF THIS RECORD PROPERTY OR PROPOSAL.
I'M LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE, IF I MAY, SAME TIME? I THINK SO.
SO STAFF CAN, OKAY, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, GUYS.
UH, LESLIE, DID YOU GO TO SAY SOMETHING? I DO.
UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE LEASE FOR, UH, THE DAYCARE CENTER AND THERE'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S MENTIONED
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THERE.SO I, I DO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE THAT DOES NEED TO BE CLEARED UP SO THAT, AS YOU SAID, WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION ON THE RIGHT SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE HOW ARE THEY LEASING IT TO HER AND LEASING IT TO HIM? SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE.
SO THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
IS I'D LIKE TO JUST LEAVE THE, THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN RIGHT NOW RATHER THAN CLOSE IT.
AND I WOULD LIKE AARON TO KIND OF HELP FACILITATE, UH, A DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH ALL THE PARTIES IN THE CHURCH, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO RESOLVE THIS.
AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IF IT'S RESOLVED QUICKLY, WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE, WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING QUICKLY AT THE NEXT MEETING AND STILL MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PROGRESS OF IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS, FRANKLY, I, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GONNA HAVE TO MODIFY THE APPLICATION ANYWAY, I THINK BECAUSE THE APPLICATION DOESN'T REFLECT THE DR ZONE AND SPACES, LEASE SPACES, WHICH IT HAS TO DO BY TO BE ACCURATE.
SO WE NEED TO UPDATE IT ANYWAY.
SO LET'S LEAVE THE, LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
AND, UH, WE'LL JUST ADJOURN IT TONIGHT.
UM, AARON WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU GUYS.
ZONA, DOES AARON HAVE YOUR, UH, EMAIL ADDRESS OR DO YOU HAVE AARON'S EMAIL ADDRESS? YES.
AND AGAIN, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT AND I DON'T NO, I UNDERSTAND.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T FEEL YOU ARE, IF YOU HAVE A LEASE, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES YOU SOME RIGHTS.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS TO KNOW THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE, UH, EXISTING BUSINESSES.
AND TO SEE, UM, WELL, I, I'M SIX DAYS A WEEK.
IT'S JUST A DAY THAT I'M NOT, I'M THERE EVERY DAY, BUT SUNDAY, WHAT, WHAT HOURS IS IT? NINE TO FIVE, EIGHT TO SIX? WELL, NO, NO, UNFORTUNATELY.
JUST SEE WHAT KIND OF OVERLAP WILL BE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR THE PARKING LOT BEING IN THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
AND WE'RE THERE FOR EMERGENCIES.
REGULAR HOURS ARE FROM EIGHT TO FIVE, BUT VERY OFTEN I'M THERE LATER.
I GET THERE AT SIX 30 EVERY MORNING AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE EMERGENCIES, I'M THERE LATER, BUT GENERALLY IT WOULD BE FROM EIGHT TO FIVE.
SO SAME HOURS, BASICALLY AS THE OPERATION OF, UH, THE FACILITY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DEDICATED PARKING FOR YOUR OFFICE ON YOUR OWN SITE? I DO.
AND AS I, AND AS I SAID, WE KIND OF, UH, AS WE EX, UH, GOT A LARGER PRACTICE, THAT'S WHEN WE APPROACHED THE CHURCH WAS AGAIN, ABOUT FOUR, ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO.
AND WE'VE BEEN HA RENTING THOSE SPOTS EVER SINCE.
WELL, I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY, UH, UH, OF DOING THIS, UH, THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
THE GOOD THING IS IT ISN'T A NURSERY SCHOOL, WHICH HAS A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC, UH, DROP OFF AND PICK UP DYNAMIC THAN A DAYCARE CENTER DOES.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE STAGGERED IN THE DAYCARE CENTER, WHICH SHOULD BE HELPFUL AND MITIGATE YOUR ISSUE, UH, TO SOME EXTENT.
PLUS, WE'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED TO PARK THE EMPLOYEES BEHIND THE BUILDING AWAY FROM YOUR SPACES, SO THAT HELPS AS WELL.
SO YEAH, BUT, BUT IT CAN BE WORKED OUT.
I'M FINE WITH IT IF YOU GUYS ARE SATISFIED AND IT CAN WORK OUT, THERE'S NO PROBLEM HERE.
Z WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, I SAID WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE HEARING OPEN.
AARON WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH EVERYBODY AND GET A, TRY TO GET A JOINT MEETING WITH THE CHURCH AND FIGURE THIS WHOLE THING OUT.
ALSO, HE PROBABLY HAS TO RUN IT BY THE, A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL IN COMPLIANCE.
AND HE'LL DO ALL THAT IF HE GETS IT DONE FAST NEXT WEEK, WE CAN STILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 20TH AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE A DECISION ON THE 20TH.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PROGRESS OF NEXT WEEK.
I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION THEN TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU SECOND IS TOM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SESSION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING? THANK YOU FOR FINISHING MY SENTENCE.
I'M NOT, I I KNOW THAT WE FORECLOSE, WE NOTHING ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THAT WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO, UH, INTO WORK SESSION IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES OR SO.
SO I THINK THE 23RD IT WAS SENT OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND, UM, THAT SH I'D LIKE THAT TO BE THE FOCUS.
I DO WANNA SAY ONE OTHER THING AND, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE HELPFUL TO THE APPLICANT.
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UM, AS, AS YOU KNOW, THIS LAW WAS WRITTEN WITH A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH TWO YEARS AGO.WE HAVE NOT YET INSTALLED ONE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY UNDER THAT LAW.
UH, WHICH WERE NOT EASY TO APPROVE BY THE WAY, BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT.
HUGE AMOUNT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT AT A TIME, UM, AND HAVE NO IDEA HOW SMOOTHLY THIS IS GOING TO GO AFTER IT'S INSTALLED.
I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS.
THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, TECHNOLOGY THAT IS RAP RAPIDLY EXPANDING AND NOT ENOUGH IS KNOWN ABOUT IT.
WHICH IS WHY, UH, GOVERNOR HOEL, AS YOU MAY KNOW, JUST FORMED A COMMISSION ON THE FIRE SAFETY ISSUES RELATED TO THAT, WHICH IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
SO WHEN WE DO THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THE QUESTIONS, WHAT WE DID WAS JUST WHAT'S CHANGED THAT WOULD, WOULD GIVE US A REASON TO MODIFY A LAW THAT WE RESEARCHED PRETTY WELL.
AND I BELIEVE HAVE, YOU'LL CALL IT THE MOST RESTRICTIVE, I'LL CALL IT THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE LAW, PROBABLY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK RIGHT NOW ON BATTERY STORAGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS AND I'D LOVE YOU TO GO THROUGH THE FIVE QUESTIONS I AND BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO, TO TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH ALL HIS ANSWERS, WRITE DOWN YOUR, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, AND WE'LL DO A Q AND A AFTER.
SO I'LL LET YOU GO THROUGH YOUR WHOLE PRESENTATION FOR THAT FIRST.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND STAFF ROBERT GOSO WITH THE LAW FIRM OF SNYDER AND SNYDER ON BEHALF OF NINE ENERGY.
AND I, I DO HAVE TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND TO GET TO THE RIGHT ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE WERE HERE BACK ON JUNE 7TH AND WE HEARD YOU, WE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS, WE HEARD YOUR QUESTIONS, WE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, WE TOOK OUR TIME COMING BACK TO JUST FOR THAT REASON, NOT THAT WE WERE BEING DILATORY, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DID OUR RESEARCH AS WELL.
AND WHAT, WHAT MY EXPERTS WILL TELL YOU LATER WHEN WE GET INTO THE FIVE QUESTIONS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TWO BIG THINGS THAT CHANGED WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL CODE WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND IT WAS, IT WAS BASED ON A LOT OF THE STATE CODES AND THE NATIONAL CODES, BUT IT DID HAVE CERTAIN PLANNING RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO REALLY FACILITATE ONE OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT'S CHANGED, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE FOCUS ON, THE TESLA MEGA PACK, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, UM, IS A LEAPS AND BOUNDS FROM TWO YEARS AGO.
WHAT DID WE SUBMIT? WE SUBMITTED THE REVISED TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH I WANNA GO THROUGH IN A MOMENT, WHICH I HAVE A CHART.
WE SUBMITTED THE TESLA MEGAPACK DATA SHEET, WHICH HAS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, UH, WHICH BOBBY'S GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT.
WE SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN FROM OUR ENGINEER, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS, THIS IS A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT RIGHT PROPOSAL.
IT'S NOT BASED ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN ABOUT HOW THE CIRCULATION WORKS AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS FAR AS SIZE ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
UM, OH, ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THIS TO AN HOUR TONIGHT.
UM, WE, WE GOT INTO THE DETAILS REGARDING NINE DOTS, QUALIFICATIONS, WHAT THEY'VE DONE, WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE CITY IN PARTICULAR, WHICH HAS A VERY RIGOROUS CODE.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE MAPS, UH, SHOWING HOW THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS REVISED WOULD NOT AFFECT 79 LOTS, WOULD ONLY AFFECT 28 LOTS.
AND BOBBY WOULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE DID THAT MATH.
SO IT'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF LOTS THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY AND PRACTICALLY AFFECT IF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT'S CHANGED.
UH, AND THEN WE GOT INTO SOME DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THE SAFETY OF BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS DESPITE SOME OF THE RECENT, UH, RECENT THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD IN THE NEWS.
SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE FIRE SAFETY COMPLIANCE PLAN, WHICH IS VERY RIGOROUS UNDER YOUR CODE.
AND BASED ON ON THOSE OTHER OVERARCHING CODES BY FOLKS THAT DO THIS SAME THING.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE EMERGENCY OPERATION PLAN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE COMMISSIONING PLAN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE VERY RIGOROUS AND GET INTO THE VERY SPECIFICS OF THE TECHNOLOGY AT ANY GIVEN SITE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ALL TIER TWO FACILITIES.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES OTHER THAN THE TIER TWO FACILITY REGULATIONS.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO TIER ONE OR TIER THREE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC CER SAFETY CIRCULATION PLAN, WHICH IS A BIG IMPORTANT ISSUE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE LOT SIZE.
SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MINIMIZING THE LOT SIZE WE'VE BACKED OFF OF THAT.
THE LOT SIZE AS YOU ADOPTED TWO YEARS AGO IS STILL THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
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NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE SETBACK EITHER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE.WE HAD PROPOSED CHANGES TO THAT WE'RE NO LONGER PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE SETBACKS.
AND AGAIN, NO CHANGES TO TIER ONE OR TIER THREE FACILITIES.
SO WE WE'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE YOUR CODE.
ALL OF THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF YOUR CODE REMAIN IN PLACE.
HERE'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT OF THE FACILITY FROM 10 FEET TO 12 FEET.
AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TEGA, THE, UM, THE TESLA MEGA PACK, IT'S 110 INCHES BEFORE YOU PUT A BASE ON IT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
IT MAKES SENSE IN WHAT I'LL CALL THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING TO CHANGE FROM 6,000 TO 8,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FACILITY OR THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CABINETS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THE WAY YOUR CODE DEFINES THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FACILITY, IT'S THE FENCE LINE.
I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING IN THE OB DISTRICT AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO FROM 12,000 KILOWATT HOURS TO 30,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
ORIGINALLY WE HAD PROPOSED 50,000, BUT WE'VE DIALED THAT DOWN TO 30.
WE PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 3,500 SQUARE FEET TO 12,500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH AGAIN WAS DOWN FROM THE 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE 3,500 SQUARE FEET TO 12,500 IS A LOT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE FENCE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR PLAN JUST TO GET A SENSE OF IT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN THE MEGA PACKS THAT GO WITHIN THAT FENCE COMPOUND.
WE HAVE TRANSFORMERS, WE HAVE SOME SOLAR, WE HAVE CONNECTIONS, WE HAVE CIRCULATION AREA.
I MEAN, JUST SIMPLY AREA TO ALLOW ANYONE TO GO IN THERE AND, AND CIRCULATE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 10,000 OR THE 12,500 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S THE FENCE LINE.
WHAT WE ALSO PROPOSED, WHICH WAS REALLY THE TOWN SUGGESTION, WAS A FULL TREE REPLACEMENT SECTION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOUR CODE DOESN'T HAVE, WHICH WE THINK IS A BIG BENEFIT.
AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY, WE, UNDER YOUR EXISTING CODE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE TREES BACK WITHIN 10 FEET AND THERE'S A WHOLE TREE REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED BY YOUR CODE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DISTINCTION THERE ON THAT.
SO AGAIN, TO SUMMARIZE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE SAFETY ELEMENTS.
WE'RE ADDING A BIGGER FOOTPRINT AND WE'RE ADDING MORE KILOWATT HOURS.
AND THEN THE QUESTION NOW ARE REALLY YOUR FIVE QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INTRODUCE MY EXPERT, BOBBY SINO, WHO HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS.
UM, I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH THE FIVE, THE FIVE QUESTIONS AND, AND TRY AND ANSWER 'EM AS BEST AS WE CAN.
MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME BE HERE TONIGHT.
YOU YOU'RE A TALL GUY, SO WE'LL MOVE THE MIC UP A LITTLE BIT.
YOU'RE SAYING I'M A SHORT GUY?
AND JUST YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION FOR THE GOT IT.
UM, YEAH, BOBBY SHORTINO, SENIOR PROJECT DEVELOPER WITH NINE NINE ENERGY.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I AS ROB MENTIONED, JUST A LITTLE BRIEF BACKGROUND, NOT GONNA TAKE LONG.
UH, BEEN INVOLVED WITH ABOUT 50 MEGAWATTS WORTH OF PROJECTS, 200 MEGAWATT HOURS IN NEW YORK CITY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS THROUGH, UM, LIKE SOME DEVELOPMENT PHASES, PERMITTING PHASES, ENGINEERING, CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION.
SO BEEN AROUND THESE THINGS FOR, FOR A WHILE AND SEEN A LOT OF THE EVOLUTION IN TECHNOLOGY.
I'VE WORKED PERSONALLY WITH TWO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, BUT SO JUMPING INTO THE QUESTIONS, UM, SO YOUR FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT CHANGES IN NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE.
THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, SO I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY BEYOND, BEYOND THAT, THAT'S EASY.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH THE TESLA MEGAPACK, BUT WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH THROUGH OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS CERTAIN INFORMATION WITHOUT HAVING N D A WITH AN O E M OBVIOUSLY.
AND I WOULDN'T BE AT LIBERTY TO SAY CERTAIN INFORMATION THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT OTHER VENDORS WE WORK WITH.
BUT THE, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITH MANY VENDORS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY CHANGING THEIR CELL CHEMISTRY.
THEY'RE MOVING AWAY FROM, FROM, FROM WHAT'S CONSIDERED A LESS SAFE CHEMISTRY TO A MORE SAFE CHEMISTRY.
SO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY LITHIUM IRON PHOSPHATE HAS BECOME MORE STANDARD, WHEREAS HISTORICALLY IT WAS, UM, N N C A CHEMISTRY AND, AND, UM, N C M, SORRY, I MESSED THAT UP FOR A SEC.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING, AGAIN, I'M
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MORE FAMILIAR WITH TESLA, BUT YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS AN INDUSTRY-WIDE CHANGE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF VENDORS ADOPT.HOW DOES THAT CHANGE CHANGE THE SAFETY PROFILE? YEAH.
LITHIUM IRON PHOSPHATE REFER TO, AS REFERRED TO AS L F P, IS A, UH, SLIGHTLY LESS POWER DENSE, SO LESS ENERGY STORED PER CUBIC FOOT AND THEREFORE HAS LESS RISK OF FLAMMABILITY.
SO BOTH BECAUSE OF A LOWER POWER DENSITY AND BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT ANODE CATHODE COMBINATION COMPARED TO THESE OTHER EXCEL CHEMISTRIES THAT WERE MORE PREVALENT HISTORICALLY.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE IT'S A STATIONARY STORAGE, YOU KNOW, MOST VENDORS ARE WILLING TO MAKE SOME SACRIFICES OF, OF, OF, OF POWER DENSITY FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL PERFORM MORE SAFELY.
AND SO YOU'RE SEEING THAT THAT CHANGE GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH MOST OEMS ACROSS THE INDUSTRY.
UM, I CAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PERSONALLY SPEAK TO THAT WITH, WITH TESLA KNOWING THEIR PRODUCT INSIDE IT OUT, HAVING INSTALLED BOTH MP ONES AND MP TWOS, WHICH ARE THE KIND OF EVOLUTION OF THEIR PRODUCT.
BUT AGAIN, TRYING TO SPEAK MORE BROADLY AS THAT WAS THE QUESTION YOU ALL HAD ASKED.
UM, SO THE OTHER OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT IS, UM, THERE'S AN N F P A STANDARD REGARD TO DEFLATION, WHICH IS LIKE MANAGING POTENTIAL ACCUMULATION OF GASES THAT WOULD CREATE A POTENTIALLY EXPLOSIVE SITUATION.
AND, AND, UH, VENDORS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THEN MOST VENDORS ARE, ARE ADDING, UM, MORE ROBUST SYSTEMS FOR DEFLATION MANAGEMENT TO THEIR BATTERIES TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE IS TO BE AN EVENT, IF THAT IT WOULD BE MANAGED APPROPRIATELY THAT, THAT THE, THE FORCES AND ANY FLAMES OR GASES ARE DIRECTED UPWARD AS OPPOSED TO OUTWARD.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'M MOST INWARD SAY THAT AGAIN, I'M SORRY.
INWARD AND ANY, ANY GASES OR FLAMES WOULD BE DIRECTED UPWARD AS OPPOSED TO OUTWARD.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE MANAGING DEFLATION IS THE INDUSTRY TERM IS.
SO IF THERE WERE TO BE A THERMAL EVENT THAT THE, THESE BATTERIES DON'T EXPLODE OUTWARD, THEY, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO EXPLODE MORE UPWARD.
AND HOW NOW, HOW, HOW DOES THAT, SO YOU DON'T GET SHP SHRAPNEL OR, OR HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR NO, THERE'S BASICALLY PRESSURE RELIEF VALVES.
SINCE THE EXPLOSION IN ARIZONA THAT CORRECT.
SO, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND NOW.
UM, IF IT GOES UP, THE GAS IS STILL GOING UP.
DOES, DOES THAT MAKE IT DISSIPATE MORE OR JUST IT'D BE LESS DAMAGE FIRE DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF IT BE BEING, BEING GOING UP INSTEAD OF THIS WAY.
I, I MEAN, THE GAS WILL GO GENERALLY WHERE IT WANTS TO, BUT AT LEAST THE INITIAL THRUST FORCES WOULD GO UPWARD AS A, SO IT PUTS ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, PERSONS STRUCTURES, PROPERTIES AT A LOWER RISK.
UM, BUT YEAH, OBVIOUSLY ONCE THE GAS IN THE AIR, YOU CAN'T CONTROL IT.
UM, SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER STEP THEN.
AND THEN I THINK A THIRD MAJOR THING THAT, AGAIN, I CAN SPEAK MORE INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT TESLA, BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, OEMS ARE ADOPTING SIMILAR MECHANISMS, IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING BETTER WITH THEIR, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, YOU KNOW, INS INSULATION ON THEIR BATTERY CELLS.
SO YOU HAVE, LIKE, YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW THIS AS YOU'VE DONE A LOT RESEARCH, RIGHT? YOU HAVE CELLS, MODULES, RACKS, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE BATTERY UNITS THEMSELVES THAT ARE COMPRISED OF THOSE SMALLER COMPONENTS.
AND THEN OFTEN YOU INSTALL MULTIPLES OF THOSE UNITS, RIGHT? SO, UM, THE GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE PROPAGATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF A CELL WERE TO HAVE AN ISSUE THAT IT IS ISOLATED, RIGHT? THERE'S OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF SENSORS AND AUTOMATIC SHUTDOWN MECHANISMS 24 7 MONITORING.
UM, BUT SO EVEN IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAVE A FIRE, UM, THAT IT WILL NOT PROPAGATE TO ADJACENT CELLS OR ADJACENT RACKS OR ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, MODULES OR, OR EVEN ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, GIANT CONTAINERS.
UM, AND SO THAT, LIKE, AGAIN, WITH MEGAPACK SPECIFICALLY, I CAN SPEAK IN GREAT DETAIL TO HOW THAT THEY'VE GREATLY IMPROVED THE, THE PROPAGATION THAT'S BEEN PROVEN THROUGH THEIR UL 9 5 40 A TEST DATA.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK IN GREAT DETAIL 'CAUSE I'M UNDER N D A, BUT
UM, A WAY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY IF WE CAN'T SEE THIS DATA.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT YOUR, ABOUT YOUR CODE AND, AND I DETAILED SOME OF IT BEFORE, BUT THE HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED BY YOUR CODE.
UM, THE SYSTEM CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS IS REQUIRED BY YOUR CODE.
SO I UNDERSTAND AT, AT THIS STAGE, I GET IT, BUT AT THE PLANNING STAGE, THOSE ITEMS ARE REQUIRED BY YOUR CODE.
I MEAN, EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S STILL KEPT CLOSE TO THE VEST AND YOU CAN'T GET TO IT EVEN AS A PROFESSIONAL, OKAY.
IT'S STILL A PROBLEM FOR OUR REG FROM A
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REGULATORY POINT OF VIEW.AND I KNOW THAT THE STATE IS TRYING TO, TO LOOSEN THAT UP AND I THINK THE INDUSTRY REALIZES THAT GIVEN THE NUMBER OF FIRES THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT WITH THAT KIND OF INFORMATION TO MAKE PEOPLE COMFORTABLE, I THINK, WHICH WOULD BE HELPFUL.
CAN I CONTINUE, PLEASE? NO, YEAH, NO WORRIES.
UM, YOU MAKE A VALID POINT AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE TESTING STANDARDS ARE PROBABLY AVAILABLE, RIGHT? YOU CAN LOOK UP WHAT IS UL 9 5 40 A OR 9 5 40 OR 1741, OR ANY OF THE MYRIAD CODES THAT GOVERN, OR STANDARDS THAT GOVERN BATTERY, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY THESE DAYS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT THE RESULTS ARE GENERALLY NOT MADE PUBLIC, WHICH I DON'T DISAGREE WITH.
YOU MIGHT BE IN THEIR BENEFIT TO DO SO, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR US TO, TO LITIGATE.
UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN THOSE ARE KIND OF THREE OF THE MAIN THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON IN, IN RESPONSE TO, TO TWO, THAT THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING KIND OF MORE BROADLY ACROSS, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS OEMS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL.
UM, SO ITEM THREE, UH, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
UM, SO THE, THE BEST I CAN DO IS, IS TALK TO THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF FIRSTHAND, UH, OF, OF BATTERY PROJECTS IN A VERY, VERY DENSER ENVIRONMENT OF NEW YORK CITY.
YOU KNOW, NOT TO DRAW TOO MANY PARALLELS TO GREENBERG YOUR OWN, YOU KNOW, SET OF UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY OPERATING FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN, IN NEW YORK CITY.
UM, BATTERY WE STORAGE 'CAUSE I, ON YOUR WEBSITE I SEE, I UNDERSTAND.
I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF BATTERY STORAGE ON YOUR WEBSITE WHEN I LOOK RIGHT.
SO FOR CONTEXT, I, I'VE JOINED NINE DOT, UH, RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
I WAS ACTUALLY WITH ANOTHER COMPANY, WAS A PROJECT DEVELOPER AS WELL AS AN E P C PROVIDER ENGINEER PROCURE CONSTRUCT.
AND I, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR NINE DOTS PROJECTS IN NEW YORK CITY ON, ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, SO YEAH, I WAS, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROJECTS THAT, THAT MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYER DEVELOPED AND THEN WE DESIGNED AND BUILT, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH CON ED, ED, UM, AND THEN AS WELL AS, AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR PERMITTING DESIGN AND BUILDING PROJECTS FOR NINE.AS A SERVICE PROVIDER.
SO I GUESS THEY LIKED ME, THEY BROUGHT ME IN
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, HONESTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
I, I, I, I DON'T, I I THINK THE INDUSTRY SHOULD BE MAYBE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT SHARING DATA.
I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I CAN PERSONALLY POINT TO THE MULTIPLE SITES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY OPERATED, THAT HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IN THE TRI-STATE AREA ESSENTIALLY.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I UNDERSTAND A CA WAS A GOOD CANDOR.
UM, AND IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, ONE, UH, ALMOST ALL CASES THE, THE NEW YORK CITY CODE ONLY REQUIRES A 10 FOOT BUFFER IN, IN MOST COMMERCIAL ZONES.
AND SO THESE SITES ARE SAFELY OPERATING WITH THAT SORT OF BUFFER FROM THE PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE.
AND IN SOME CASES WE HAVE A SITE THAT'S ONLY 120 FEET AWAY FROM A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY F D N Y AND WE'VE PROVEN THROUGH, UH, SIMILAR TO HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS WITH A FIRE ENGINEER, THAT IF THERE WERE TO BE, UH, UH, A THERMAL EVENT WITH THAT, WITH THAT BATTERY ASSET THAT, THAT THE HEAT FLUXX FROM THAT WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT COME CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A GAS STATION APPROXIMATELY 80 TO A HUNDRED FEET FROM THAT SITE AS WELL.
UM, THERE IS A MASONRY STRUCTURE IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, WHICH WAS WHAT HELPED THEM GET OVER THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S PROVEN THAT, THAT THE HEAT FLUXX WOULD NOT RADIATE THAT FAR.
AND SO THAT WAS PART OF WHAT GAVE THEM EASE.
HOW FAR DOES IT RADIATE? IT DEPENDS ON THE TECHNOLOGY.
SO NOT TRYING TO PUNT ON THAT.
IT DEPENDS ON, AND YOUR, YOUR CODE SPECIFICALLY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUIRE THE MASON RESTRUCTURE.
AND WE DID, AND WE DID THAT ACTUALLY TO REDUCE THIS, TO REDUCE SETBACKS BETWEEN THAT IN THE BUILDING AND THE TWO THAT WE'VE IMPROVED MM-HMM.
SO, SO IN, IN THIS CASE OF THIS ONE SITE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING MASONRY RESTRUCTURE ON ONE LIKE OUR SITE THEN ANOTHER LOT WHEN AN EXISTING MASONRY RESTRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE GAS STATION WAS A LOT OVER.
SO BECAUSE THAT MASONRY STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, WAS THE APPROPRIATE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY OPERABLE WINDOWS.
WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUILD A WALL, BUT I WAS INVOLVED WITH OTHER SITES WHERE WE DID BUILD FIRE RATED WALLS, FIVE HOUR WALLS ADJACENT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL ACTUALLY.
SO THEN, UH, SO ITEM FOUR, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACT OF CHANGES THE LAW PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND, UH, EACH PROPERTY POTENTIALLY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
SO I, I THINK I, I, I MAY TRY, IF, IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL MAY TRY TO ANSWER
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FOUR AND FIVE TOGETHER.'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE TIED TO EACH OTHER THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THEM.
WELL, I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT HOW YOU GOT TO THE MATH WHEN WE GOT THERE.
WE DID SOME PRETTY GOOD MAPPING SOFTWARE.
SO
IF, IF I MAY THEN NO, THAT'S FAIR.
UM, SO, SO BASICALLY OUR PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD, WOULD AFFECT 79 LOTS WITHIN, WITHIN GREENBERG JURISDICTION.
SO, UH, AGAIN, WE, WE ATTACH THOSE MAPS, UH, IN, IN WHAT WE SUBMITTED.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WAS HELPFUL.
AGAIN, WE CAN DO MORE RESEARCH IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
BUT, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S KIND OF THE BASELINE NUMBER, RIGHT? IF, IF WE INCREASE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WE'RE PROPOSING, IT MEANS THAT IT KIND OF OPENS UP THIS 79 SWATH OF 79 NEW LOTS, RIGHT? HOWEVER, IT'S ONLY IF WE ASSUME THAT EACH OF THE, EACH OF THESE LOTS IS CLEAN, EMPTY, WITH NO BARRIERS TO CONSTRUCTION, ET CETERA, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.
SO THAT'S HOW YOU NOW, SO IF WE TRIAGE 79 BY LOOKING AT WHAT ARE LEGITIMATE IMPEDIMENTS TO CONSTRUCTION OF A BATTERY ON EACH OF THESE 79 SITES, DO YOU CONSIDER WETLANDS, SETBACKS FROM WETLANDS, SETBACKS FROM OTHER BUILDINGS, OTHER POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT WOULD PROHIBIT CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S WHY YOU END UP AT ONLY 28 SITES BEING NEWLY ELIGIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A VEST.
DID YOU PROVIDE A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS WHY IT'S ONLY 28 INSTEAD OF SEVEN EIGHT? I DON'T RECALL THE MAP.
WE DID, WE DID SUBMIT THE MAPS.
WE GOT AN EXPLANATION OF WHY, RIGHT.
IT WASN'T AS MAYBE AS DETAILED AS, BUT IT DID LAY OFF.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND IN OUT ALL THE PARAMETERS.
I UNDERSTAND IN GENERAL, WHY NOT? YEAH.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, OUT OUT OF THE 28, I THINK FIVE OR COUNTY OR TOWN OWNERS.
SO ARGUABLY IT GETS EVEN SMALLER UNLESS YOU WANT LEASE US SOME LAND.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, SO I'M ACTUALLY GLANCING BRIEFLY AT, AT THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE SUBMITTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH, MAYBE IT WASN'T AS ELOQUENT AS, AS I SAID IT, NOT THAT I'M, WHAT I SAID WAS ELOQUENT, BUT, UH, WE DEFINITELY TOUCHED ON, ON SETBACKS AND, AND OTHER ISSUES AND SO APOLOGIES IF IT WASN'T AS CLEAR AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW? NO, NO, NO, YOU DO YOU REALLY, I APPRECIATE THE CANDOR AND, AND DIRECT ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I, WHAT WE APPRECIATE HERE.
NO, HONESTLY, UH, THAT'S KIND OF, YEAH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE IN TERMS OF, RIGHT.
SO THE 79 BECOME NEWLY ELIGIBLE WITH THAT INCREASE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THEN THAT ONCE YOU CONSIDER WHAT'S ACTUALLY FEASIBLE TO BUILD ON, THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO 28.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE MAPS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THEN THAT THE LOTS THAT ARE IMPACTED ARE, ARE VERY CONCENTRATED IN YOUR EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
UM, AND OUR PROPOSED PROJECT IS HAPPENS TO BE LOCATED IN ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW, NOW YOU HAVE THE EASY PART.
NOW I'M GONNA TURN YOU OVER TO THE, TO THE JUNKYARD DOGS OF THE, OF THE
SERIOUSLY, I WANT, I WANT TO GIVE THE BOARD EACH SURE.
AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.
UH, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AROUND THE, ACTUALLY WON'T WE START WITH LESLIE? SHE'S ON ZOOM.
AND THEN, THEN WE'LL GO TO YOU JOHANN.
LESLIE, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I WAS STILL, UM, FORMULATING THEM, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, TWO QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP WHEN WE ARE DOING IT, YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE, THE LOT.
I JUST WANNA KNOW UP FRONT, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM THAT YOU NORMALLY LIKE TO DEVELOP ON WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT? GOOD QUESTION.
OR WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PROJECT RATHER.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE LOT SIZE.
SO IS IT THE LOT SIZE IS STAYING THE SAME? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT.
THE 40,000 AND THE 80,000 THAT'S IN THE CODE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE AREA OF THE FENCE TO GO FROM 3,500 SQUARE FEET TO 12,500 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE PLAN THAT WE, THAT WE SHOWED YOU WAS ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH GIVES US ENOUGH SPACE INSIDE THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FENCED AREA TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE CABINETS, THE SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT, HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND.
SO ROUGHLY 10 TO 12,500 SQUARE FEET.
ON A, ON A 40 OR 80,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
LESLIE, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION.
ANSWER IT, ASK IT AGAIN, PLEASE.
NO, ACTUALLY HE DID BECAUSE WHAT HE'S SAYING, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, THE 10 TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT WOULD SATISFY THE AMOUNT OF BATTERY STORAGE WITH THE SPACE AROUND IT.
WITH THE CABINETS, CORRECT? WITH THE TRANSPONDER.
AND HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO TAGE? SO WE'RE AROUND 30, THAT'S A 30,000, THAT'S A 30,000, WHICH IS, YOU THINK IS MINIMUM FINANCIAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOW? GO AHEAD.
UM, YOU, YOU CHOSE ME FIRST AS I WAS WRITING IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART HAD TO DO WITH ANY TYPE OF,
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UM, WITH THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AND THE, UM, RECYCLING OF THEM OR GETTING RID OF THEM.LIKE AFTER THIS PROJECT IS OVER, AFTER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, DO YOU LOOK AT END THE END OF LIFE? YES.
SO SPECIFICALLY YOUR CODE HAS A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN REQUIREMENT.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE PLAN FOR DECOMMISSIONING AND RECYCLING OF THE BATTERIES WE HAVE TO POST MONEY FOR, TO GUARANTEE THAT THAT WILL TAKE PLACE.
SO YOUR CODE ALREADY HAS BOTH THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PLAN AND THE FINANCIAL BACKING THAT WE HAVE TO POST TO ENSURE THAT IT HAPPENS.
LET'S SEE IF, IF YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER COME BACKGROUND TO YOU.
THANK, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE NOTHING? ALRIGHT, UH, THREE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND.
YOHAN, CAN YOU SPEAK OF THE MIC THOUGH, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THAT YOU SHARED YOUR PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SHARING WHAT BOROUGH IN NEW YORK CITY, UH, YOU WORK WITH.
YOU MENTIONED ONE FACILITY IN PARTICULAR THAT WAS, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS SCHOOL.
YES, THAT WAS IN THE NORTH BRONX.
I HAVE WORKED IN EVERY BOROUGHS, SORRY.
I'VE WORKED IN, IN, IN ALL BOROUGHS, WELL, I'VE WORKED IN ALL FIVE BOROUGHS, BUT SPECIFICALLY WITH BATTERIES IN THE, IN FOUR BOROUGHS IN THE INCLUDING MANHATTAN.
SO, UM, I, LESLIE KIND OF ASKED THIS QUESTION, BUT I WANNA ASK IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AS TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPS RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STATIC FACILITY, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DECOMMISSION A PLAN TO DECOMMISSION.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE MODULARITY OF IT.
SO AS TECHNOLOGY DEV DEVELOPS, UM, AND YOU WANT TO UPGRADE TO LARGER CAPACITY STORAGE, IS THAT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE? UH, YES.
IT, IT, IT POSSIBLY, IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF FACTORS.
UH, PROBABLY MOST OF WHICH IS WHAT WE ALLOWED TO INTERCONNECT TO THE GRID AT.
LIKE WHAT IS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POWER RATING THAT KIND OF GRANTS US TO INTERCONNECT AT.
SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADD CAPACITY, BUT NECESSARILY INCREASE THE POWER OF THE SYSTEM.
AND 1, 1, 1 OF THE UNIQUE THINGS HERE, FROM WHAT I'M TOLD IS THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO 13 KV LINES RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
SO THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SO EVEN, EVEN THOUGH YOU GO BACK TO THOSE 28 POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, SO YOU GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, CALL 'EM 28, CALL 'EM 23.
THE REALITY IS, IS WE HAVE TO INTERCONNECT INTO THE SYSTEM.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE PROPER FACILITIES FROM CON ED THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
OKAY? SO WE'RE VERY LIMITED TO WHERE WE CAN GO, WHICH IS WHY WHERE WE FIND A SPOT.
LIKE, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS SPOT, BUT THIS IS THE SPOT THAT BROUGHT US HERE.
THIS IS A SPOT THAT'S UNIQUE 'CAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A SPOT THAT'S UNIQUE 'CAUSE IT'S FAR FROM RESIDENCES.
THIS IS A SPOT THAT'S UNIQUE 'CAUSE IT HAS EXTRA PROPERTY.
THIS IS A SPOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE WETLANDS.
THIS IS A SPOT THAT WE CAN GET A LEASE ON.
THIS IS A SPOT, MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S TWO 13 KV LINES NEARBY.
UM, THIS, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS STILL KIND OF RELATIVELY NEW AND SOMEWHAT FOR THE MOST PART STABLE, RIGHT? DOES THE KILOWATT PER HOUR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON INCREASING, DOES THAT LEND ITSELF TO MORE OR POTENTIALLY MORE VOLATILITY? DOES IT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DANGEROUS OR IS IT KIND OF A MOOT POINT? A FIVE MEGAWATT PROJECT AND A THREE MEGAWATT PROJECT, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME RISK PROFILE? SO THE ANSWER IS NO, THE SHORT ANSWER.
AMANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO, UH, MY QUESTION MIGHT BE A LITTLE COMPLICATED, SO I APOLOGIZE.
HE'S A LAWYER, SO HE EXPLAIN THAT
SO
UM, AND ALSO WITH THAT, YOU WANNA INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF KILOWATT HOUR POWER.
UM, SO I WANNA SEE A COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT SPACE IN COMPARISON TO THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE, UM, IN THE 12,500 SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
AND WITH THAT POWER INCREASE AS WELL.
LIKE, I UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ADDITIONAL SPACING IN BETWEEN EQUIPMENT PROPOSED, BUT I WANNA KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF.
CAN WE PUT UP THE PLAN? CAN YOU SHARE THE SCREEN? YEAH, YEAH.
I'M, I'M SIGNED INTO THE ZOOM, IF THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, CORRECT? YES.
LET ME, UH, YOU TOOK HIS, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
SHE SAW, SHE SAW, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE I COULD DISCONNECT.
I WAS ON WHEN YOU ALL WERE BACK THERE.
DID IT? DO I HAVE TO REJOIN? PERHAPS YOU CAN REJOIN.
I'LL ADMIT HAN DON'T FOR THE NEXT.
SO JUST WHILE HE'S DOING THAT,
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I WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE CODE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.SO, AS I SAID BEFORE IT, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE TO MIC, MIC BECAUSE I CALLED IT THE, I CALLED IT THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO LEMME JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC.
THE TIER TWO SIZE REQUIREMENTS ARE BROKEN INTO TWO CATEGORIES.
THE FIRST CATEGORY IS THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THE CA, THE CB, THE DSS, THE IB, THE L O B, THE OB ONE, AND THE UR DISTRICTS, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING AND PLANT COMMERCIAL.
UH, WE PROPOSED TO TAKE THE OB AND, AND PUT IT INTO WHAT I'LL CALL THE COMMERCIAL ZONES.
BUT IN THAT FIRST, IN THAT FIRST CATEGORY, THE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS, WAS VERY LIMITED TO 1400 SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT IN THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
AND WHEN IT HAD SPECIFICALLY, IT HAD A CABINET SIZE OF ONLY 300 SQUARE FEET.
SO IN THOSE QUOTE UNQUOTE SMALLER ZONES, SMALLER PROPERTIES, RESIDENTIAL ZONES, IT'S 300 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
IN THE OTHER ZONES, WHICH ARE THE OB, THE GI, THE LI, THE PD, AND THE P E D DISTRICTS, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO FROM THE 3,500 SQUARE FEET UP TO THE 12,500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WE HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR 15,000.
SO WHEN WE SHOW YOU THE PLAN, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE TOOK IT OFF THIS PLAN, WE HAD IT ON THE PRIOR PLAN.
CAN YOU GO TO THE, YEAH, CAN YOU GO TO THE OTHER? OKAY, SO THIS IS, THIS IS HELPFUL.
SO IF YOU SEE, IF YOU SEE THE, THE OUTSIDE LINE, THAT'S THE FENCE LINE, RIGHT? AND THEN EACH ONE OF THOSE SQUARES IN THE MIDDLE, OR RECTANGLES, I SHOULD SAY THAT'S A TESLA MEGA PACK, RIGHT? TWO.
SO, SO WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE THESE, THE DOOR SWING AND, AND THEN ALL OF THESE BOXES IN PARALLEL, THAT'S ACTUALLY A SINGLE UNIT.
THERE'S JUST KIND OF CABINETS WITHIN A, A SINGLE ENTITY.
BUT SO, SO FROM HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS, IF THAT'S VISIBLE OVER TO HERE, THAT'S A SINGLE BOX, RIGHT? BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE DOORS ON IT, JUST FOR CLARITY.
AND SO THAT THIS REPRESENTS TWO BACK TO BACK.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IN TOTAL 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT, SO IF YOU, IF YOU OVER WHERE IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE 'CAUSE IT SAYS 4 4, 4, 4 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, THAT'S ALL THE AN AN EQUIPMENT, RIGHT? THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS PROBABLY MORE THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF IT.
SO THIS TRANSFORM, SO THIS, THAT'S TRANSFORMERS.
WHAT ELSE? YEAH, SWITCH GEARS, UH, BREAKERS, RIGHT? ALL THE CONNECTION BOXES.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOLAR, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A, UH, WE HAVE A PHOTO ELECTRIC, UM, OH, SENSOR OR SOMETHING OR YEAH.
WHERE WAS THAT? HEY, LESLIE HAD A QUESTION.
WE PUT SOLAR, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND, LESLIE.
WE DO PUT SOLAR IF, YEAH, IF WE HAD SOLAR, WHICH WE DO ON SOME PROJECTS THAT WOULD TIE IN ITS EQUIPMENT AND INCREASE.
SO THAT, THAT SOLAR READY? THERE WAS A CORRECT, THERE WAS A QUESTION WITH SOLAR, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY SIZED AS WELL.
LESLIE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW? I THINK MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE ASKED IT IN THE END AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, HAVE YOU WORKED ON ANY PRO PROJECTS, UM, WITH THE ARCHDIOCESE OF NEW YORK? I ACTUALLY HAVE, WE NEVER SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THEM, BUT, UH, I I, OH, SORRY.
I I HAVE, BUT WE DID, IT WAS, IT WAS A QUESTION OF RECAL REUSABLE AND SHE WORKS FOR THE EXERCISE.
WHAT DO YOU SAY, GARY? OH, UH, I DON'T THINK SHE NEEDS TO RECAL HERSELF.
SO NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BED EARLY TONIGHT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING.
I KNOW THERE'S A GOOD TENNIS MATCH ON RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THEY INVENTED VCRS.
SO, TO, SO TO ANSWER, SO HOPEFULLY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THAT THAT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND BOBBY, CAN YOU GO TO THE FIRST PAGE? SURE.
SO ON THE FIRST PAGE, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE HARD, BUT IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE.
YOU SEE THE WHOLE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND BOBBY, JUST, JUST, JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT'S THE FACILITY THERE.
IF YOU ZOOM IN LIKE THAT LITTLE STRIP THERE IS, THIS IS WAS WHAT'S ON THIS ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
CAN YOU JUST GIMME LIKE NUMBERS? SO LIKE WHEN IT WAS 3,500 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE, HOW MUCH EQUIPMENT VOLUME DID YOU HAVE IN THERE VERSUS NOW THAT YOU'RE EXPANDING IT TO FOUR TIMES THAT SIZE, WHAT'S THE EQUIPMENT VOLUME? THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
HOW MANY PACKS THE PACK? LIKE WHAT'S THE CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN FIT IN THAT? YEAH, THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT, RIGHT.
WHICH WHICH WAS WHAT? 2, 2, 3 MEGAWATTS.
WHAT ARE WE MEGAWATTS WHAT ARE WE GETTING? CROSSROADS? 'CAUSE THAT'S A, WE, THE TWO THAT WE JUST DID, WERE, WERE WITHIN THAT WITHIN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
THEY WERE, UM, WAS IT FOUR? I DON'T, I JUST DON'T REMEMBER.
I'LL, I'LL CHECK, I'LL REPORT BACK.
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IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN SIX.IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO PACKS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIX PROBABLY NOW MORE.
I, I KNOW WHY YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
A PACK IS WAS ABOUT THREE, AND NOW IT'S ABOUT CLOSER TO FOUR, I THINK.
RIGHT? ONE TWO PACKS IS ABOUT ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT.
NOW A TYPICAL, SO A MEGA MEGAPACK ONE IS A, IF IT'S A FOUR HOUR RATED BATTERY, IT'S ABOUT, WHAT? SEVEN 70 KW? UH, SO IT COMES OUT ABOUT 3000 KW H 7 75.
SO 7 75 FOR THE MEGA PACK TO THE LARGEST ONE.
ANTHONY, YOU WANNA COME UP? YEAH, SORRY ANTHONY, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE YOU BACKGROUND BRIEFLY, AND THEN JUST ANSWER.
UH, ANTHONY SANTA MARIA, I'M DIRECTOR OF, UH, PROJECT ENGINEERING, UM, 21 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH CONEDISON.
I'M A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN, SO I'VE WORKED WITH BOB.
UH, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
OKAY, SO MEGA PACK TWOS AND TWO XLS.
WHAT WE'RE USING NOW, WE'RE NOT USING MEGAPACK ONES ANYMORE.
UH, AND EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA BE ALL XLS.
SO EC NINETEENS ARE THE LARGEST ONES YOU CAN USE FOR TWOS.
THAT'S 775 KW, RIGHT? THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL AND APPARENT POWER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIMITED TO, AN ACTUAL USEFUL POWER TO PUT OUT TO THE GRID.
FOR THE, WHICH IS THE CAPACITY? I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, I'M FOR THE, THE KWH, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CAPACITY TO MULTIPLY IT BY BY FOUR.
SO KIND, THAT'S, IT CAN BE CUSTOMIZED, RIGHT? SO YOU, SOME PEOPLE WANT TWO HOUR FIGURE, SOME PEOPLE WANT 4 30, 3130, 3200.
SO FOR HERE, UH, IN, IN THIS TERRITORY, THE WAY WE'RE INTERCONNECTING WOULD BE BASED ON THE PROGRAM ACQUIRING OF CON EDISON, THE, THE BEING, THE UTILITY.
AND FOR THIS USE CASE, IT WOULD BE A FOUR HOUR OPERATION DURING THEY, THEY PUBLICLY, UM, PUBLISH, THEY CALL 'EM C SS, RRP CALL WINDOWS.
SO IT'S LIKE DEMAND RESPONSE, BUT THEY FOUR HOUR, YOU CAN ONLY TAKE OFF THE GRID FOR FOUR HOURS.
WE'RE GOING TO EXPORT ONTO THE GRID FOR FOUR HOURS.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CON THAT'S WHAT THE UTILITY DICTATES.
THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE MONEY.
IT'S HOW WE ACTUALLY REDUCE COST TO RATE PAYERS AND PREVENT THEM MAKING GRID UPGRADES THAT THEY HAVE TO RATE BASE GOOD SALES PITCH.
SO TO ANSWER, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.
SO IS IT A, LIKE A, IS IT A FOUR MULTIPLIER INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT EQUIVALENT TO THIS, THE INCREASE FROM 3512 5? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, I'M TRYING TO GET AT, I'VE GOT 10 PACKS NOW BEFORE, COULD YOU ONLY HAVE TWO? I MEAN, WHAT WAS YEAH.
ESSENTIALLY, CAN I TRY TO BACK INTO THIS? SURE.
SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE PICKING THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BASED ON THIS TWO.
SO YOU'VE HEARD THAT THERE ARE TWO 13 KB UH, FEEDERS IN THE AREA, RIGHT? THAT WE CAN UTILIZE AND THERE'S NEED ON THOSE 13 KB FEEDERS FOR RELIEF.
SO BEING AN ELECTRICIAN AND AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LIMITED TO ABOUT 3.6 MEGAWATTS ON EACH ONE OF THOSE CIRCUITS.
RIGHT? NOW THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON JUST CONDUCTING RIGHT? AND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE OVER CURRENT DEVICE, THAT HEADROOM COULD COME UP A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THE LOCAL LOAD IN THE AREA AREA, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE THAT THE MATH DOESN'T EXACTLY WORK OUT, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
IT GETS US UP TO 28, 28, RIGHT? 28 MEGAWATTS, 28,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE PICKED THIS SIZE AND THESE NUMBERS IS TO, TO BEST PROVIDE THE GRID THAT SUPPORT THAT IT NEEDS AND TO BUILD.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A LINEAR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE CAPACITY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING IT'S LINEAR.
SO IF YOU HAVE 3000 SQUARE FEET NOW AND HAD 12,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE FUTURE, YOU'D HAVE FOUR TIMES THE, THE, THE, THE, THE KILOWATT KILOWATTS THE CAPACITY REALLY PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH PRETTY CLOSE.
RIGHT? BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EQUIPMENT WOULD BE SPACED OUT MORE THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED.
SO I'M WONDERING IF IT'S A FOUR TO ONE INCREASE OR IF IT'S LIKE A THREE TO ONE INCREASE.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM 3000 TO 12,000 SIMPLE MATH, YOU KNOW, TIMES FOUR.
IS IT EQUIVALENT? SO ARE YOU GOING UP BY FOUR EQUIVALENT? YOU SEE CLOSE.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND.
THE MEGAPACK CHANGES, THEY CHANGE SIZE AS WE GET, UH, NEWER ITERATIONS AND LOT SIZES.
IT'S ALSO DICTATED EAST TO WEST SIZE.
IT'S ALSO THE CONFIGURATION, NOT JUST A SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IN GENERAL.
AMANDA, ANY OTHER QUESTION? THAT'S IT.
YEAH, I THINK THE, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT N F P A.
SO WHICH, WHICH N F P A, UH, GUIDES YOU FOR SAFETY.
N F P 8 55 IS A STANDARD FOR LITHIUM ION BATTERIES 8 55.
AND, UH, UH, TESLA AND MOST OTHER MAJOR OEMS PUBLICLY STATE THAT THEY DESIGNED THEIR SYSTEMS TO COMPLY WITH 8 55.
SO THE, SO THE OVERALL CAPACITY AND THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON N F P A 8 55.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF OUR LAW.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE JUST TELL YOU IT'S GONNA ROLL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO INTERRUPT, PLEASE.
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WHAT THE CODE THAT NOT ONLY TESLA, BUT THE OTHER, UH, COMPETITORS OF TESLA ARE FOLLOWING UP.MOST OF 'EM THAT STAY PUBLICLY ARE THAT, THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED AND BUILT THEIR SYSTEMS TO BE 8 55 COMPLIANT.
SO HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO YOUR, UH, BUSINESS MODEL OF, UH, HAVING THIS, UH, THE, UH, 13 KV OR HUNDRED 30 KV LINES THAT YOU WANT TO BE REALLY, UH, CUSTOMIZING TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR, UH, BATTERY STORAGE ARE, ARE YOU'RE PURSUING TO PROVIDE? SO, SO HOW DOES THAT CONNECT TO N F D A 8 55? IF, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, UM, THE EQUIPMENT IS DESIGNED TO BE COMPLIANT WITH 8 55 THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON, ON THE INTERCONNECTION TO THE UTILITY THAT'S GOVERNED BY, YOU KNOW, CONED STANDARDS, PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION STANDARDS.
UM, SO 8 55 GOVERNS THE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN AND, AND, AND FABRICATION OF THE BATTERY STORAGE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WOULD THEN PURCHASE AND INSTALL AT THE SITE THAT WOULD THEN BE CONNECTED TO THE GRID USING, YOU KNOW, CONED STANDARDS.
AND YOUR CODE, YOUR CODE SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES 8 55, 8 55 FOR TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION.
YOUR CODE ALSO LISTS OUT ALL THE UL STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO YOUR CODE AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO, SO MY, MY FINAL QUESTION IS THAT, SO A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES, BUT AS LONG AS THE YOU ARE COMPLYING WITH N F P A 8 55, WE SHOULD BE REST ASSURED THAT, UH, THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE ANY, UH, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, OUT OF, UH, DANGER OF THINGS TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY THAT, UH, UH, THIS FACILITY WOULD BE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WHEN YOU SAY 8 55, WE SHOULD NOT REALLY ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS ON, ON SAFETY.
WELL, WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT.
THE POINT IS THAT YOU ALREADY DID THE RESEARCH, YOU LOOKED AT WHAT ALL THE STANDARDS WERE AND YOU SPECIFICALLY PUT THEM IN YOUR CODE.
ON TOP OF THAT, YOUR CODE REQUIRES ON A SITE SPECIFIC CASE, ALL OF THOSE OTHER REPORTS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
SO EVEN IF IN GENERAL 8 55 AND ALL THE UL STANDARDS ARE SAFE, YOU STILL REQUIRE A FIRE SAFETY COMPLIANCE PLAN FOR THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
YOU STILL REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY OPERATION PLAN FOR THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
YOU STILL REQUIRE A SYSTEM CERTIFICATION FOR THE PARTICULAR PROJECT ON THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
YOU STILL REQUIRE A HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS FOR THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO IF AND WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE SITE PLAN, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET EVEN MORE OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO LET ME ASK YOU VERY, VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IT'S SPECIAL, IS IT OUR CODE? I MEANT IT'S AGAIN, OUR CODE IS LIKE BELT AND SUSPENDER, OR WE SHOULD BE REALLY, UH, UH, RETTING IT DOWN TO ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS AS AS YOUR KIND OF APPLICANTS AND PROFESSIONAL.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT YOUR CODE IS A ZONING CODE.
YOUR CODE IS INCORPORATED ALL OF THE SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE CODES THAT THE STATE AND ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES HAVE ALREADY DICTATED.
IF I CAME IN FOR A, UM, FOR A DECK ON MY HOUSE, YOU WOULD MAKE SURE MY PLANS WHEN I GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THE DECK IS DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE PREVENTION AND BUILDING CODE.
OKAY? YOU'VE, AND A LOT OF TIMES THE ZONING CODE SAYS THAT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE'S MY DECK GOING? HOW ARE WE LANDSCAPING IT SO FORTH AND SO ON.
YOUR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE CODE DOES BOTH.
IT INCORPORATES ALL OF THE SAFETY CODES.
IT MAKES SURE ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
PLUS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ACCESS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TREE REPLACEMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE THINGS YOU WOULD NORMALLY LOOK AT AS A PLANNING BOARD.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY DOING BOTH.
SO, OKAY, THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION.
AND I ALWAYS DON'T LIKE TOO MUCH REGULATIONS AND CODES AND, AND INTERFERENCE BECAUSE THAT STIFLES THE INNOVATIONS AND COMPETITION, WHICH ULTIMATELY BEAR THE COST IS BORN BY THE, BY THE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOING TO BE BENEFITED WITH THAT ONE.
SO NOW MY FOLLOWING QUESTION IS THAT WE HAVE, YOU SAY THE 28 PROPERTIES ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER, UH, YOUR ANALYSIS OF OUR CODE MM-HMM.
SO HOW DO WE, UH, WHAT YOU SUGGESTIONS, YOU, YOU
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KNOW, MORE ABOUT ALL THESE TECHNOLOGY AND THE PROPOSED THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING.HOW DO WE MAKE, UH, 28 MOVE TO CLOSER TO SUMMER NINE? ANY SUGGESTIONS? ANY I, I, I THINK THAT LOOK, FOLKS COULD STILL ASK FOR A VARIANCE WHEN THEY COME IN.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS WE LEFT THE SETBACKS ALONE.
WE ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR THE SETBACKS TO BE CHANGED.
AND WHEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT, YOUR CODE ALREADY GIVES YOU SOME DISCRETION ON THE SETBACKS.
RIGHT? SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE DO IT.
AND I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
AND IF, AND IF IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET THOSE SETBACKS AN APPLICANT, IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT PROPERTY, COULD GO TO THE ZONING, COULD GO TO THE ZONING MM-HMM.
I, TRUST ME, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT REGULATIONS.
WE GET IT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE JUST TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
BUT, BUT I THINK THE 79 PROPERTIES ARE SOMETHING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GET LOOKED AT MORE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, MAYBE GOING TO A ZONING BOARD.
UH, WE THINK THE 20 EIGHT'S REASONABLE, WE THINK THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT SPOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP MM-HMM.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IS THE RIGHT, A RIGHT BALANCE HERE.
SO, JUST TO ONE MORE LAST QUESTION.
SO OUT OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU LISTED THE WETLANDS AND THE SIZE AND, AND ACCESS AND ALL THAT STUFF, WHAT IS THE MOST, UH, RESTRICTIVE THINGS THAT, UH, CREATES THAT, THAT MAKE, MAKES THE LIST SMALLER? I, I, I THINK, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR SITE PLAN, AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, WE'RE IN A REALLY BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT HAS A REALLY BIG BUILDING ON IT AND IT HAS A LOT OF PARKING ON IT, AND YET THERE'S STILL A WHOLE SWATH OF LAND THAT IS VERY DISTANT FROM EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR PROPERTY VERY UNIQUE.
THESE OTHER PROPERTIES, THEY'RE ALREADY DEVELOPED.
MANY OF THEM ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON, EVEN JUST BY YOUR CODE LANGUAGE, THEY MIGHT SOUND GOOD, BUT WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
IT ALREADY IS BEING USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
I MEAN, WE SAT HERE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE AND YOU FOUND OUT YOU GOT 10 PARKING SPACES BEING USED FOR A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT SITE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET INTO THE ACTUAL PROCESS AND YOU START LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU RUN INTO THOSE THINGS.
WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HOMEWORK ALREADY AND SAID, OKAY, THE 79 PARCELS ARE ALREADY REALLY, THEY'RE REALLY ENCUMBERED ALREADY.
THESE 28 WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT.
BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU THE 28 WILL BE ALL GOOD.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE 28 WILL BE LEASEABLE FROM THE LANDLORD.
I CAN'T TELL YOU TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MIGHT BUILD SOMETHING ON ONE OF THOSE 28.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE TOWN IS GONNA LEASE IT TO US.
BUT I THINK AS A BOARD, YOU ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTION.
YOU WANTED TO KNOW UNIVERSALLY WHAT'S THIS PROPOSED CODE CHANGE GOING TO DO? AND YOU WANTED TO GET YOUR HANDS AROUND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED YOU THAT INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID AND THE SECOND ANALYSIS.
TOM, WELL, FORTUNATELY THEY'RE GETTING TO ME LATE, SO MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING I'M WRESTLING WITH, IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR US, UM, IS THE, THE, UM, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CHANGES IN THE FOOTPRINT AND THE CAPACITY, AND IS THAT A PROBLEM? BECAUSE FROM WHAT YOU'VE SAID TONIGHT, AND IT'S BEEN SAID TO US BEFORE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO, TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE SAFETY ISSUES THAN SOME OF THE LARGER BODIES THAT, THAT REGULATE THINGS.
I THINK YOUR SITE, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I PERSONALLY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN YOUR SITE.
THE QUESTION IS EXTENDING IT BEYOND THAT AND SAYING IN THE ENTIRE TOWN, THIS IS GONNA BE ALLOWED.
BUT THE MORE I HEAR, THE MORE I FEEL WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CHECKS TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, DANGER OR HAZARD OR CONCERN ON ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT MIGHT COME UP.
SO THIS, THIS HAS HELPED ME A LOT.
I PERSONALLY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE 6,000 TO 8,000 OR THE 10 TO 12 FEET.
UM, AND COMING IN HERE, IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT, BUT I SEE THAT THERE IS STILL A LOT OF EVALUATION.
YEAH, I THINK I LOOK, I THINK, LOOK, YOU NAILED THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER IS, IS THE ANSWER THAT WE GAVE YOU IS, AND, AND, AND LOOK, WHEN WE FIR WHEN WE FIRST KICKED AROUND THE ANSWER, IT WAS, WE THINK THE EXISTING CODE'S A LITTLE TOO, A LITTLE TOO RESTRICTIVE.
AND WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.
I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK.
AND, AND WE, WE DUG INTO YOUR FIVE QUESTIONS, WHICH WE THOUGHT REALLY HELPED US TRY AND
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MAKE OUR CASE GOOD.AND, AND THOSE FIVE QUESTIONS MADE US THINK, I MEAN, HE'S BEEN WORKING FOR TWO WEEKS NOW, COMING UP WITH THE ANSWERS TO THOSE FIVE QUESTIONS.
WE'LL SEND YOU OUR BILL AND YEAH,
AND THE POINT IS, IS WHAT, AND WE CAME OUT IN THE SAME PLACE YOU CAME OUT, IS THAT THIS, THIS CODE CHANGE WILL GIVE THE BLUEPRINT TO WHERE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE LOOKING, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COME HERE FOR AND GO THROUGH ALL THOSE CHECKS, GO THROUGH THAT SITE PLAN ANALYSIS, GO THROUGH THAT SPECIAL PERMIT ANALYSIS.
WE STILL HAVE TO COMPLY AND MAKE SURE THAT EVEN AT 10 OR 12,000 SQUARE FEET OR 30, YOU KNOW, KILOWATT HOURS, IT STILL HAS TO BE SAFE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHERE, AS A PLANNING BOARD, THAT'S WHEN YOU DO YOUR JOB.
THIS IS ONLY THE ABILITY FOR US TO FILE BASICALLY.
QUICK QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THE 79 AND THE 28? YEAH, WE HAVE A MAP IDENTIFYING WITH THE 28.
WE DO YOU HAVE A LIST? DID YOU HAVE A MAP OF THE 79 OR NO? WE, WE DID PREVIOUSLY.
WE SUBMITTED A MAP PREVIOUSLY AND THEN WHEN WE WERE ADVISED, WE WANNA SEND MATT SEND BOTH OUT AGAIN TO THE BOARD.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE TOOK OUT, WHEN WE TOOK OUT THE, ALL THE OTHER REQUESTS, WE BOIL IT DOWN TO 28.
SO
UM, BUT I ALSO WANT, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM A CONSULTANT WHO'S ON, BUT BEFORE WE DO, EVERY BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK IS SUBJECT TO 8 55.
BY LAW, WE JUST HAPPEN TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO PUT IT INTO OUR LAW.
OKAY? DESPITE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE FIRES IN THE LAST FIVE MONTHS.
OKAY? TWO IN WARWICK, TWO UPSTATE, AND ONE ON LONG ISLAND.
THERE ARE VARIOUS EXCUSES FOR THOSE FIRES.
SO WHILE IT'D BE NICE TO, TO FEEL WARM AND FUZZY, THAT 8 55 IS GONNA KEEP US ALL SAFE AND COZY.
AND THE REASON IT DOESN'T IS WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE IS THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH TRANSPARENT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE WRESTLING WITH THIS.
THESE COULD BE NO DIFFERENT IN SAFETY OKAY? OR MARGINALLY DIFFERENT IN SAFETY THAN A, THAN TWO PACKS SITTING THERE.
OKAY? WE KNOW ONE TESLA CAR CAN CAUSE, YOU KNOW, BURNS, BURNS FOR, YOU KNOW, 12 HOURS OR WHATEVER, 3000 GALLON OF WATER AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF AND PUTS OUT THE SAME KIND OF CRAP THAT IN THE AIR THAT THIS DOES, RIGHT? AND GO, THAT GOES IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.
THE, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW.
OKAY? THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH.
I THINK THAT YOUR NUMBER ONE IN FOUR ARE NO-BRAINERS.
THEN THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE HANDLE THE OTHER, THE OTHER TWO? OKAY.
THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE, AND I'LL BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, I THINK I WAS THE LAST TIME, IS TO ME THESE ARE THESE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES.
UNLESS THEY PROLIFERATE CONSIDERABLY AND THERE'S A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE GRID.
AND THE SECOND IF IS EVEN A BIGGER, IF RIGHT NOW HAVE MARGINAL BENEFIT, UNLESS THEY ARE ATTACHED TO AN ALTERNATE, UH, SOURCE OF ENERGY SUCH AS SOLAR, THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE THE MOST BENEFIT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU TO ISOLATE PARTS OF THE GRID.
RIGHT? NOW EVERYTHING'S GOING BE BACK IN THE GRID AND THE PEOPLE IN TROY ARE PUSHING A BUTTON AND DECIDING WHERE THAT ENERGY'S GOING.
OKAY? IT'S NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK.
SO MY PROBLEM IS PROLIFERATING THESE THINGS AT A TIME WHEN THERE'S STILL A MARGINAL BENEFIT.
I I, AND I DON'T FAULT YOU, I A VERY SMART BUSINESS.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS IN, IN, IN RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS AN OFF PEAK HOUR IN FIVE YEARS ISN'T GONNA BE AN OFF PEAK HOUR ANYMORE.
'CAUSE ALL THOSE ELECTRIC CARS THAT THAT HOEL AND, AND OUR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO PUSH IN ARE, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE TESLAS IN THE STREET, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 12 ELECTRIC CARS ON THE SAME STREET.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA COME HOME FOR DINNER.
THEY TURN ON THEIR COMPUTER AND TURN DOWN THEIR AIR CONDITIONING ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WHAT USED TO BE AN OFF PEAK HOUR WON'T BE ANYMORE.
THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE.
SO, AND, AND THE FINAL ONE IS THE TECHNOLOGY'S CHANGING.
LITHIUM IS GONNA BE AROUND THREE, FOUR MORE YEARS MAYBE BEFORE WE SWITCH TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE DEPENDENT ON THE CHINESE AND THE RUSSIANS.
SWEDEN'S ALREADY WORKING ON NEW TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT? IT'S A COUPLE YEARS AWAY.
SO LET ME, LET ME TRY AND RESPOND IF I CAN.
LET ME, LET ME JUST FINISH AND, AND THEN I WOULD LOVE A RESPONSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WRESTLING WITH.
HALF OF ME SAYS THAT IT SHOULD BE HANDLED IN A VARIANCE.
MY FIRST REACTION TO YOUR THING IS WHY NOT DO THIS IN A VARIANCE? FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT, LOT
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LESS HASSLE FOR YOU GUYS.'CAUSE YOU, WHAT YOU SAID IS YOU CAN DISTINGUISH THIS PROPERTY.
OKAY? THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR HAVING A VARIANCE.
NOW COULD WE, NOW THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHO'S WHAT BOARD IS BEST EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THAT? OKAY.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, VARIANCES IN THIS TOWN GENERALLY COME ONES THAT INVOLVE US AT ALL.
AND THEY WOULD, 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SPECIAL PERMIT COME TO US FIRST ANYWAY.
AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCE TO THE, TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH IT.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN AN AREA THEY KNOW IS OUR EXPERTISE, THEY'LL YIELD TO OUR EXPERTISE ON THAT.
AND CLEARLY WE HAVE MORE EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA THAN THEY DO.
BUT WHO KNOWS WHO'S GONNA BE ON THAT BOARD LATER.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE'RE WRESTLING FOR.
LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT.
IF FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU HAD A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE CAPTAIN LAWRENCE, WE COULD GIVE YOU WHAT YOU, THE RELIEF YOU WANT, BUT IN RETURN WE WANT SOLAR SOMEWHERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS COULD CONSIDER? WE, WE, WE SHOWED ON THE, WE SHOWED ON THE PLAN A CARPORT.
BUT IT GETS VERY TRICKY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH A LANDLORD.
REMEMBER WE DON'T CONTROL THESE PROPERTIES.
SO IT BECOMES SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY YES, I CAN'T SAY NO AS I STAND HERE TODAY, BUT WE SHOWED YOU ON THE PLAN ACTUALLY A SPOT WHERE WE HAD A, A SOLAR CARPORT.
AND ON THIS PROPERTY, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOLAR ALL OVER THE ROOF.
RIGHT? I KNOW IT'S HURTING ON THE ROOF.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE BATTERIES
BUT WE SHOWED, WE SHOWED ON THE DRAFT PLAN, JUST AN IDEA.
'CAUSE WE HAD, WE GOT THAT COMMENT LAST TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE, I'M JUST SAYING WE PICKED UP ON THAT.
TO ME AGAIN, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BENEFIT OF THE C TO THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.
AS I SAID, I THINK IT, I, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND I DON'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS, OKAY.
IT'S JUST FROM A COMMUNITY POINT OF VIEW, IN MY VIEW, I COULD BE WRONG.
IT DOES, IT DOESN'T DO A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
I KNOW SOMETHING, BUT IT'S MARGINAL RELATIVE, RELATIVE TO, UM, HAVING SOLAR.
I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE AS A TOWN ABOUT ADDING ALTERNATE ENERGY INTO THE TOWN SO THAT WE CAN BE LESS DEPENDENT ON THE GRID.
EXCUSE ME? ARE YOU SAYING THE SOLAR SHOULD BE TIED TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? POSSIBLY.
I'M JUST SAYING AS AN ALTERNATIVE MM-HMM.
A PROFITABLE OPERATION LIKE THIS AS AN INCENTIVE TO DO DO IT FOR, FOR, TO GIVE US SOMETHING BACK AS A TOWN, THE COMMUNITY BACK, AND SOMETHING THAT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY, THEY ALSO PUT UP SO SOLAR AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.
ANTHONY MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS YES.
UH, TWO THINGS AS FAR AS THE PEAKS CHANGING THAT, THAT IS TRUE IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY AWARE OF AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO MODIFY THEM.
LIKE THE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THESE SYSTEMS. IT'S EXPECTED AND IT'S ACTIVELY DISCUSSED ALL THE TIME THROUGH NEW NEW YORK BEST.
AND WITH THE UTILITY, WE EXPECT THAT EVERY THREE YEARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST THESE PEAKS BASED ON THE, THE CHANGING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ETC.
RIGHT? AS, AS FAR AS THE, THE BATTERIES BEING CONNECTED AS A DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCE AND TAKING GREEN ENERGY.
RIGHT? UM, THE BATTERIES ARE UNIQUE BECAUSE WE ARE UTILIZING WHAT WE CALL A CONSTRAINED OPERATION.
THAT MEANS IT'S DISPATCHABLE, THAT MEANS WE CAN STORE THAT ENERGY AND DISPATCH IT WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
RIGHT? UNLIKE SOLAR, UNLIKE WIND, UNLIKE ANY OTHER DISTRIBUTED RESOURCE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S UNRESTRAINED.
SO YOU GET IT WHEN IT'S THERE AND YOU DON'T GET IT WHEN IT'S NOT THERE.
THAT MEANS A LOT OF IT GOES TO WASTE SPECIFICALLY JUST TO TOUCH ON WIND BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S, THAT'S THE HOT TOPIC LATELY, RIGHT? FOR, ESPECIALLY IN NEW YORK AND NEW YORK CITY, THE, THE, THE WIND HUB AND THE INDUSTRY CITY AND WHATNOT, THAT'S PRODUCED MOSTLY AT NIGHT AND THAT'S WHEN PEAKS ARE THE LOWEST.
SO BATTERIES WOULD BE STORING THAT ENERGY OFF THE GRID AND DISPATCHING IT WHEN IT'S NEEDED MOST.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE PEAKER PLANTS AND PEAKER PLANTS CAN OPERATE FOR FOUR HOURS.
BUT IT TAKES, AND AND I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS, IT TAKES 12 HOURS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A WARMUP PERIOD AND A COOL DOWN PERIOD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE BATTERY IS, I KNOW THAT ARE SPECIAL.
AND AS FAR AS US PUTTING PV UH, SOLAR IN OTHER LOCATIONS, WE ARE OPEN TO THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING NOW IS WITH CARPORTS, BUT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
WE'RE NOT SEEING INSIDE, I GET A FEEL YOU DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT I'M SAYING.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE BATTERIES CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT THE SOLAR, BUT SOLAR CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT THE BATTERIES, SIR.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY OF POTENTIALLY MARRYING THEM IS A POSSIBILITY.
I, I WOULD SAY THIS, WE WOULDN'T WANT THIS, WE WOULDN'T WANT THE CURE TO BE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE IN
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THAT WE KILL GOOD BATTERY PROJECTS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE SOLAR PIECE.NOW IF THERE'S A INCENTIVE FOR SOLAR, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE CODE TO MAKE SOLAR EASIER TO INSTALL, I THINK WE'RE ALL FOR THAT.
LIKE THERE'S NO DOUBT BUT TO REQUIRE SOLAR FOR BATTERY, I THINK YOU START GETTING INTO THE CONCERN OF THE OVERREGULATION.
YOU MIGHT END UP, YOU MIGHT HAVE DISCOURAGING APPLICANTS DISCOURAGING PROJECTS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE TEND TO SEE.
BUT I THINK THAT I, I WANT TO TOUCH ON, ON TWO OF YOUR POINTS.
WE COULD DEBATE THAT ALL NIGHT, THE GOOD AND THE BAD.
WHERE ARE WE IN THE EVOLUTION? MM-HMM.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE TOWN BOARD ULTIMATELY DOES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE DOES.
I THINK THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY ALREADY, IS THAT THE POLICY WAS ALREADY LOOKED AT LONG TERM AND THAT THAT'S WHY BATTERIES AND THESE FACILITIES ARE BEING, YOU KNOW, PROMOTED.
SO I GET IT, I GET THE QUESTIONS, I UNDERSTAND IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE CODE SHOULD BE CHANGED OR NOT, UH, SHOULD BE IMPLICATED BY THOSE BIGGER POLICY ISSUES.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.
AS FAR AS THE VARIANCES, I'LL SAY TWO THINGS ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
VARIANCES WITH THIS TYPE OF INDUSTRY KILL PROJECTS, THEY ARE ADVERSE TO RISK.
THEY'RE ADVERSE TO PROJECTS THAT THE ATTORNEY GETS THE ZONING ANALYSIS DONE AND SAYS SITE'S NON-COMPLIANT DOESN'T MEET THE VARIANCES.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS.
I AM FAIRLY CONFIDENT WITH NO DISRESPECT TO THE ZONING BOARD, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU ALL HAVE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS NOW AND THEY CAN MAKE A MISTAKE.
THEY COULD DENY AN APPLICATION OR THEY COULD APPROVE AN APPLICATION.
OR EVERY APPLICATION THAT COMES HERE WILL HAVE TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE VARIANCES BECOME STANDARD AND IT UNDERCUTS YOUR CODE AND THEN THE NEXT APPLICATION COMES IN.
WELL YOU GAVE THE VARIANCE THERE.
WELL YOU GAVE THE VARIANCE THERE.
WHY NOT? LIKE WE DIALED BACK FROM THE 50 TO THE 30.
WE DIALED BACK FROM THE 15 TO THE 12 FIVE, WE DIALED BACK AND ELIMINATED ALL OF THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT CHANGES THAT WE PROPOSED.
WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE THINK IS A FAIR BALANCE FOR WHAT'S NECESSARY TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE AGREE WITH YOU.
WE THINK IN THE FUTURE THE TECHNOLOGY WILL CHANGE AND IT'LL BECOME LESS ENERGY DENSE AND THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT.
BUT WE LOOKED AT THAT, THAT'S WHY WE WENT FROM THE 10 TO THE 12 FIVE.
WE THINK WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH AFTER THESE THREE MONTHS IS WHAT REALLY IS THE RIGHT FIT.
IT'S THE RIGHT SIZE BAG FOR THE PROJECT THAT, THAT, THAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, IS NECESSARY NOW.
UM, AND IT IS JUST GOING BACK TO SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED IN MORE DENSE POPULATIONS, WHAT IS YOUR AVERAGE SETBACK? SO I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE IN NEW YORK CITY, IT'S 10 FEET, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHEREAS HERE YOUR CODE IS A HUNDRED AND YOU CAN DIAL IT BACK TO 50 50 WITH A WAIVER AND, AND IT IS 10 FEET IN RESIDENTIAL.
APARTMENT BUILDINGS TO, TO BE FAIR, I'M PROBABLY GIVING DETAILS TO THE MIC.
SO, SO, SO TO BE FAIR, WHEN WE DISCUSSED NEW YORK CITY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY, LOOK, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT THAT, SO NEW YORK CITY HAS A CERTIFICATE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT'S NOT FOR ALL BATTERIES.
THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE FD AND Y'S LIST AND TESLA IS ON THAT LIST AND I THINK SUN GROVE JUST MADE IT.
I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS COME ON RECENTLY.
THERE THERE ARE, THERE ARE TESLA PACKS IN BOTTOM OF SEVERAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK, RIGHT? THERE ARE TESLA PACKS IN WHITE PLAIN IN THE, A COUPLE OF THE NEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN WHITE PLAINS I BELIEVE AS WELL IN THE BASEMENT.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS DONE NEXT IN WYOMING CITY, WASN'T IT? NEXT TO THE POWER PLANT.
THERE WAS A BIG BATTERY STORAGE.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN NEW YORK, I BELIEVE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY CAN ONLY USE CERTAIN MANUFACTURERS? SO YEAH, I'M TRYING TO BE FAIR AND, AND BE HONEST ABOUT THE QUESTION.
SO IN NEW YORK CITY THAT 10 FOOT RULE IS THE MINIMUM.
IF YOU ACTUALLY READ SECTION 6 0 8, IT SAYS 10 FEET OR AS DICTATED BY 9 95 40 A, RIGHT? OH, SO, AND IT GOES BY A CERTIFICATE APPROVAL, WHICH ONLY TESLA AND SUN.
AND THEN I WANT TO GO TO A MARKET.
UM,
YOUR BUSINESS MODEL WILL KEEP UP WITH IT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE YEARS OR YOU WILL COME AND
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PROPOSE AND THEN MAY NOT BE THERE.IT'S A RATE OF RETURN TIME PERIOD.
I DON'T, IS THE QUESTION, HOW LONG DO WE NEED TO OPERATE TO, FOR THE CORRECT PROJECT TO BE VIABLE? YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK, WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I'M SORRY.
NO, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A 25 YEAR LIFESPAN AND WE, SO THE BATTERIES DEGRADE, RIGHT? SO WHAT'S THE BREAK EVEN? I THINK HE'S ASKING ROUGHLY IF YOU CAN TELL US, OR, OR, OR, OR LEMME PUT IT, PUT IT OTHER WAY.
WOULD YOU WALK AWAY FROM IT IF THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES IN THREE OR THREE YEARS THAT EACH YOUR BUSINESS MODEL WOULD NOT SUPPORT? NO.
SO WE ARE TECHNOLOGY AGNOSTIC, SO WE'VE DONE FUEL CELLS AND WE'LL CONTINUE DOING BATTERIES, AND WE DO PV AS SOLAR AS WELL.
SO NO, WE WOULD NOT WALK AWAY FROM IT.
UM, WE HAVE ON, ON THE LINE WITH US, ED LARKIN, WHO'S OUR, YOU MAY HAVE MET ALREADY, WHO'S, UH, OUR CONSULTANT FROM ELLA ASSOCIATES.
HE'S ALSO, BY THE WAY, ON GOVERNOR HO'S COMMITTEE ON FIRE SAFETY.
SO HE'S KIND OF AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
HE'S BEEN FOLLOWING THIS AND, UH, LISTENING TO US TONIGHT.
ED, UM, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE LATE IN THE HOUR.
CAN YOU GIVE US ABOUT FIVE TO 10 MINUTES THOUGH OF, UH, COMMENTARY? APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I'LL BE ON THE SHORTER SIDE OF THAT.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, MY MY OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, AS BEING A THIRD PARTY REVIEWER ON THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE, THE KEY TO THESE PROJECTS AND HAS BEEN TOUCHED ON IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS IS LOOKING AT THE UNIQUE ASPECTS OF EACH PROJECT.
UM, NEW YORK CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, ALLOWS 10 FEET FOR VERY SELECT TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, OTHER TECHNOLOGIES DON'T HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION AND WILL NOT HAVE IT ANYTIME SOON.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE, THE STATE, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE PART OF THE NYSERDA LED, UM, TASK FORCE THAT IS ASSESSING, UM, BOTH B E S S INSTALLS AND THE, UM, THE, THE SPECIFIC INSTALLS THAT HAVE HAD INCIDENTS OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE WILL BE SOME GOOD INFORMATION THAT WILL COME OUT OF THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF THAT.
UM, SO NOT MUCH TO SHARE YET, BUT CERTAINLY WE WERE GAINING AN APPRECIATION FOR THE FACT THAT EVERY SITE'S UNIQUE.
UM, IT, IT REQUIRES A ROBUST AND COLLABORATIVE DIALOGUE BETWEEN DEVELOPER DESIGN TEAM MEMBERS AND JURISDICTION.
UM, I THINK I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE, UM, OR PROVIDED REPORTS AS WELL TO THE, UM, IN, IN, IN SUPPORT OF SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG HAS AS ROBUST OF A LOCAL LAW AS I'VE SEEN ACROSS THE STATE, AND CERTAINLY HAS DEVELOPED, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH STAFF, THROUGH, THROUGH THE BOARDS, AND CERTAINLY THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT WITH, WITH OTHER ENTITIES AS WELL, HAS DEVELOPED AS ROBUST OF A PROCESS FOR VETTING THESE INDIVIDUAL SITES, AS I'VE SEEN ACROSS THE STATE.
SO WHILE THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED AND SOME VERY GOOD POINTS WERE, WERE RAISED TONIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR POSITION REMAINS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS TO ME ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS AND THOSE REMAINING THE SAME IS CRITICAL.
UM, THAT IS, THAT IS THE KEY COMPONENT TO SAFETY, WHETHER IT'S ADJOINING PROPERTIES OR MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, PEOPLE.
SO THE SETBACKS REMAINING THE SAME AND BEING GOVERNED BY, BY THE 95 40 TEST RESULTS ARE, ARE CRITICAL.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT AS NO LONGER AND CURRENTLY NOT PART OF THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT.
UM, BUT, BUT BESIDES THAT, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THESE ON CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED EARLY IN THE PROCESS, WHICH GREENBERG DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB WITH.
UM, I I'VE WALKED SITES WITH, WITH NOT ONLY THE LEAD FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO THE MUTUAL AID FIRE DEPARTMENT PRESENT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS IN A DIRT DIRECTION THAT WASN'T ATTENDED.
BUT I DO WANT TO COMMEND THIS, THIS BOARD AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO IN THE EVALUATION OF THESE, OF THESE FACILITIES.
I KNOW IT WAS JUST MENTIONED BRIEFLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT CON YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARD HAS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE THE SAME BOARD.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY A CHANGE IN IN TAX AMENDMENT WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO LIVE PAST NOT ONLY THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE, THEIR PROPOSED TECHNOLOGY, BUT OBVIOUSLY FUTURE BOARD.
SO I, I HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR YOUR, YOUR EFFORTS IN WANTING TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IS NOT ONLY, UM, EFFECTIVE TODAY WITH THE CURRENT PARTIES INVOLVED, BUT ALSO EFFECTIVE LONG TERM.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT WASN'T TOO ROUNDABOUT OF A, OF A RESPONSE, BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IN SUMMARY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING SETBACKS IS CRITICAL AND LOOKING AT THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BASED ON THE ACTUAL TECHNOLOGIES AND THE ACTUAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED ARE, UM, THE MOST CRITICAL ASPECTS.
AND IF YOU DON'T LOSE THAT IN YOUR, IN YOUR MODIFICATIONS, I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A, A GOOD LOCAL LAW AND
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A VERY ROBUST OVERSIGHT OF THESE FACILITIES.I I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT YOUR, SO YOU THINK THE, UH, THE SETBACK IS VERY CRITICAL COMPARED TO OTHER LOCALITIES? WHAT, WHAT GREENBERG HAS AS AN EXPERT, UH, ON THE SUBJECT? I, I, I THINK THE SETBACK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, VARIABLE TO PROTECTION OF PROPERTY AND PEOPLE AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIZE OF THE FACILITIES CERTAINLY, UM, ARE, ARE A FACTOR, BUT THE, THE SETBACK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
SO MAINTAINING YOUR SETBACKS RIGHT SIDE YARD, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PROXIMITY TO, UM, 'CAUSE THAT TIES INTO STEPBACK PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND DENSITY OF POPULATION IS THOSE, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNOW THE LAST FOUR OR SIX MONTHS HAVE BEEN TOUGH FOR THE INDUSTRY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE SEEING FIRE EVENTS AT A, AT A MUCH HIGHER CLIP.
UM, I I THINK IT'S WELL KNOWN BY THIS BODY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SMOKE IS A, IS A MAJOR CONCERN.
A, A SMOKE FROM A HOUSE FIRE OR CAR FIRE IS, IS AS, UM, HAZARDOUS IF NOT GREATER THAN, THAN THESE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KNOWN INFORMATION THAT'S PUBLICLY KNOWN, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE TAKING PLACE, THESE INCIDENTS ARE TAKING PLACE AT A HIGH RATE CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PREPARE, NOT THAT YOU DESIGNED THESE FACILITIES TO FAIL, BUT IF THEY'RE IMPORTANT THAT AS A MUNICIPALITY YOU ENSURE YOU ARE CITING THESE AND APPROVING THESE IN A MANNER THAT IF GOD FORBID THERE IS A FAILURE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, ARE SAFE AND, AND PROPERTY PROTECTED.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS DO REALLY WELL.
UH, LET ME TELL YOU WHERE I THINK WE'RE AT 'CAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE IN, LATE IN THE NIGHT.
UM, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF FORWARD TOO.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HOLD THIS OVER 'CAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR VERY GOOD PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
SO REALLY GET TO KNOW YOU GUYS.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY ABOUT THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE OUR ISSUE.
SOME OF OUR ISSUES RIGHT NOW HAVE TO DO WITH POLICY AND, AND TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH THAT.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS AS YOU KNOW, AS AN ATTORNEY WITH SPECIAL PERMITS IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE MUCH LEEWAY IN A, A SPECIAL PERMIT.
OKAY? IF YOU HAVE A PARAMETER AND YOU AND THE APPLICANT MEETS IT DEAL, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
OKAY? SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE WRITE THIS LAW.
I, I DO WANT TO TALK TO AMANDA, NOT NOW ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MAKE THIS SPECIFIC TO, THEY HAVE TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN LEVEL STANDARD TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED.
WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT AND, AND RESEARCH THAT OKAY.
SO WE GET THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT YOU DID MAKE A MAJOR STEP FORWARD TONIGHT.
THIS IS HOW I WANT TO GO FORWARD.
I WANT TO HOLD THIS OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I'M HOPING BY THE END OF THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE TO DO ONE OR TWO THINGS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE HAVE TO AGREE TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND IF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
OUR TOWN BOARD, JUST MAYBE THEY DON'T.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT BINDING, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY TO OVERTURN A RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY? SO IT'S FOUR OUT OF FIVE INSTEAD OF THREE OUT OF FIVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL AT LEAST LISTEN AND KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR THEMSELVES WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN THIS.
WE HOPEFULLY WILL GIVE THEM A ROADMAP TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WE HAVE, IF WE'RE STILL CONFUSED AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE WILL BE, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF INFORMATION AND ED'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ON THIS AS WELL, IS WE COULD ASK THE TOWN BOARD.
WE, WE NO LONGER CAN GET GIVEN AN EXTENSION ON OUR OWN.
I'D LIKE TO GET YOU TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO IF, LIKE I, WE DID THE LAST TIME WITH COMMUNICATION, YOU SEE, I, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ON, ON COMMUNICATION.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT'S BOTHERING ME, I WILL ASK AARON TO SEND YOU A NOTE.
TO BE, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN ADVANCE.
I TRY TO DO THAT AND, AND I'M GONNA ASK ALL THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND YOU TOO, ROSE.
'CAUSE YOU MAY BE ON THE BOARD BY THEN, BY THE NEXT MEETING, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL BE
UM, AND FOR US TO, TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET ALL ANYTHING ELSE ANSWERED SO WE CAN MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I ASSUME THAT'S THE SEPTEMBER 20TH MEETING? THAT WOULD BE THE 20TH MEETING.
AND THEN MY GUESS IS YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOT GET ON UNTIL OCTOBER WITH THE TOWN BOARD 'CAUSE IT GETTING ON THE WEEK AFTER THE 27TH.
AND LOOK, WE, WE WANT YOUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
WE WANT IT BECAUSE OF THE SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT AT THE TOWN BOARD.
AND WE ALSO WANT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PROJECT AND A, AND AN ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD ULTIMATELY BOTH
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WORK THROUGH.SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
THEY HELPED US REALLY FOCUS OUR ANSWERS.
AND, AND IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL SEE ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
GO, GO WATCH THE, THE TENNIS, THE REST OF THE TENNIS.
I STAY UNTIL ONE IN THE MORNING WATCHING THE FEL MASK.
GO, GO GIANTS ON MONDAY NIGHTS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR COMING TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
SO MR. ANDERSON, I BELIEVE, UH, STEVE ANDERSON.
STEVE ANDERSON'S GONNA DO COLLINS ON BEHALF OF COLLINS.
WE'RE, AND WE HAVE THE OWNERS HERE AS WELL.
YOU SIT UP HERE IN THE EVENT YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? YOU KNOW, I, I, SORRY.
HOPE YOU FOUND IT INTERESTING.
AND NOW YOU, NOW YOU HAVE EXPERTISE ON BATTERY STORAGE, RIGHT? UM, I JUST DIDN'T NEED TO ANNOUNCE YOUR CASE.
IT'S COLLINS AT 19, UH, PINE LANE, UH, PO IRVINGTON, NEW YORK, EXCUSE ME, PLENTY.
BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
GARY, UH, AARON, DO YOU WANNA JUST TAKE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF IT PLEASE? SURE.
AS THE CHAIRPERSON INDICATED, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF HYPER PERGOLA, RETAINING WALLS AND AN EXPANDED DRIVEWAY.
UH, THERE ARE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS PROPOSED FOR NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND LANDSCAPING PROPOSED ALONG, UH, A STEEP SLOPE AREA IN ORDER TO AID AND RUN OFF REDUCTION.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 343 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO STEEP SLOPES, UH, WHICH ARE 15 TO 25%, APPROXIMATELY 356 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO VERY STEEP SLOPES CATEGORIZED AS 25 TO 35% AND APPROXIMATELY 50 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES, 35% AND GREATER.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY FIVE CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, NO IMPORTED FILL.
AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE TWO AREA VARIANCES.
WE'LL JUST CLOSE THE DOOR UP THERE.
AS, AS DETERMINED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THERE ARE TWO AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
ONE BEING THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM THE PATIO.
TWO, THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE, 10 FEET REQUIRED TO 8.8 FEET PROPOSED, AND TWO, THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THE, FROM A DRIVEWAY TO THE SIDE YARD, PROPERTY LINE FROM EIGHT FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET PROPOSED.
SO FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UM, A LOT OF, WELL, I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE VARIANCES, THAT WOULD BE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD ALL QUALIFY AS TYPE TWO ACTIONS.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE PLANNING BOARD AND ZONING BOARD, THERE'LL BE A COORDINATED REVIEW PLANNING BOARD WOULD POTENTIALLY SEEK TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE BECAUSE BOTH ACTIONS, SEPARATE ACTIONS ARE TYPE TWO.
SO THE ONE THING FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT IS PROBABLY AT OUR NEXT MEETING, CONSIDER RECOMMENDATION TO THE Z B A ON THOSE TWO VARIANCES.
SO LET'S HEAR FROM MR. ANDERSON.
THAT'S I WANT TO DO IS REVIEW, IS GET THE DESCRIPTION FROM HIM AND THAT QUESTIONS FROM, FROM THE BOARD.
STEVE ANDERSON FROM GABRIEL SENIOR PC LANCE AND ENGINEERS.
AND, UH, AARON, I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
I ALSO HAVE THE DOUBLE SCREEN, SO, UH, MAKE SURE I GOT THE RIGHT ONE.
YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY, RIGHT? OR? YES.
I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS, SO I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A LONG ONE TONIGHT.
UM, WELL I'M SHOWING ON THE SCREEN NOW IS A PREVIOUS APPROVED, UH, PROJECT.
UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UH, THEY HAD A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE OF STORM WATER EROSION AND EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'VE BEEN HIRED, THAT WAS DONE BY A DIFFERENT ENGINEER.
WE'RE NOW THE ENGINEERS OF RECORD.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS ALL DONE.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS, THIS PLAN SHOWS, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW PATIO AND AN EXPANSION OF PARKING AREA.
AND, UH, THIS ALSO WAS PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS SITE LAND EXISTING SPACE, WHICH IS, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
UH, SO LET ME, UH, GO TO THE NEXT, NEXT, UH, DIAGRAM.
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IN THE BACK, UH, THE GRADING OF THE REAR YARD IS PRETTY FLAT.UH, ON THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION, UH, WE DID RUN INTO PROBLEMS BECAUSE REALLY JUST SHOW YOU OKAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY G I S, IT SHOWED IT AS A CONTINUOUS SLOPE.
AND THE DATA FROM THE G I SS FROM 2004.
SO WE PROVED TO THE TOWN ENGINEER THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING, UH, ACTUALLY SLOWED DOWN THE STORM WHERE WE DID EXCESSIVE STUDIES, SHOWED DRAINAGE PASSED.
AND WE'RE NOT, RIGHT NOW, THE, YOU SEE HERE, THE GRAY, THAT'S THE EXISTING CONTOURS NOW, BUT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH BRINGING IT TO THE LEVEL THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, SITE PLAN, STEVE.
SO STEVE, WE'RE ONLY, I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE SEEING THE PLAN THAT YOU ORIGINALLY SHOWED.
I THINK IF YOU CHANGED DRAWINGS, WE'RE NOT OH, YEAH.
BECAUSE YEAH, LET ME TRY THAT.
UM, OKAY, SO, OKAY, LET ME JUST DO THAT AGAIN.
I DIDN'T GET A LOT DONE
SO, SO WE DID A STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GRADING IN THE REAR YARD DOESN'T PRODUCE ANY EXTRA STORMWATER RUNOFF.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON IT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH.
SO YOU LOOKED AT IT, THIS IS THE WESTCHESTER G I S AND LIKE I SAID, UH, IT'S 2004 DATA, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVE TO THE, TO TOWN ENGINEER THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT NEW GRADING THAT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION BY THE OTHER ENGINEER AND OURS, WHICH IS BASICALLY LEVELING THE BACKYARD FOR, FOR USE, UH, DOESN'T INCREASE STORMWATER RUNOFF.
SO THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THAT, UH, LET ME SWITCH TO, AND, AND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, CORRECT? YES.
AND I THINK IT WAS, UH, BY BOTH ENGINEERS, THE PREVIOUS ENGINEER AND, YOU KNOW.
SO RIGHT NOW, LET ME GET THIS A LITTLE BIGGER.
THE, WHAT'S EXISTING NOW, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN ALL THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE STOP WORK ORDER IS THE PATIO HAS BEEN BUILT IN THE BACK, WHICH IS THE GREEN HATCHED AREA.
AND THIS RETAINING WALL CURRENTLY, THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY ISN'T, UH, BLACK TOPPED.
IT'S A GRAVEL AREA IN THIS, THIS SIDE.
AND, UH, IT IS ALSO APPROVAL BLACKTOP ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW IT IS NOW.
WELL, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL, THE PURPLE, WHICH LET ME TAKE YOU TO THE NEXT ONE.
THE PURPLE IS, IS THE ITEMS THAT WERE PUT IN THAT ARE BASICALLY NON-CONFORMING OR, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE AREA BEARING.
SO, WHICH IS A RETAINING WALL ON THE SIDE HERE.
AND, UH, AND A PORTION OF THE TE THE PATIO, WHICH IS HERE.
AND ACTUALLY THE NUMBER IS 7.7 THAT WE'RE GOING ASK FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE VARIANCE INSTEAD OF 8 8 8 INSTEAD OF THE 8.8.
'CAUSE I LOOKED AT, SO IN ORDER TO MEET UP THE NEW STEPS, SEE THIS IS, THERE'S WANTED TO GIVE ACCESS TO THE BACKYARD FROM THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT.
SO IN ORDER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MEET THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS, UH, THE PATIOS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER ON THAT SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS THE EXTRA.
AND, AND WHAT WE WANNA DO ALSO IS WE'RE GOING TO CONFIGURE THE DRIVEWAY.
SO IT'S 30 FEET WIDE FROM, FROM HERE TO THERE, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE CODE AND ALSO AN 18 FOOT CURB CUT AND WE'LL RESTORE THE CURB CUT, WHICH, WHICH EVEN ON THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION WAS MUCH LARGER.
SO, UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, WE'LL ALSO NEED A BARRIER VARIANCE FOR ABOUT ONE FOOT.
IT'S ACTUALLY ONE FOOT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, EXISTING NON-CONFORMING DRIVEWAY, WHICH I FOUND RECORD OF IS FAR BACK AS BEFORE THE, THE CURRENT OWNER.
UH, IT'S BEEN THERE QUITE A WHILE.
IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE HISTORICAL AERIAL PHOTOS, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN THERE.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR ONCE WE GET THIS RESOLVED, WE'LL
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RECON, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, TOP THE DRIVEWAY.AND THAT'S BASICALLY FINISH UP THE GRADING IN THE BACK OF FLYING IT OUT BECAUSE IT'S PRIMARILY ALREADY GRADED ON THE SIDE AND ON.
SEE WHERE IS THE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY? OR WAS IT, WHAT'S THAT? WHERE, WHERE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY? WELL, THERE, THERE IS A, LIKE A DRIVEWAY HERE TO PARK THE CAR ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS, THE GARAGE IS RIGHT HERE.
THE GARAGE EXIT ENTRANCE IS HERE.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE IS NO EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
THERE WAS A LITTLE PATCH INTO A GARAGE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
HOW MANY FEET IS THAT FROM THE CURB? THE GARAGE? UM, LET'S SEE.
FROM THE CURB, YEAH, LOOKS LIKE 10 FEET, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.
IF IT'S 2021, IT'S 21 ON THE PLAN.
SO YOU, WELL, I'M GETTING, UH, FROM THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE TO THE CURB IS, UH, DOWN TO THE STREET.
TO THE CURB, YEAH, TO THE CURB.
WHAT ABOUT TO THE PROPERTY LINE? THE DRIVE, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH.
WHAT KIND THAT DRIVEWAY THEN? IN THE DRIVEWAY? IN THE DRIVEWAY, YES.
IS IT A 1 21? YEAH, A ONE CAR.
SO YOU, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE CAPACITY, UH, WITH THE CURRENT ONE FOR TWO CARS? UH, YEAH.
ONE IN THE DRIVE, ONE OF THE GARAGE, ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY? YES.
AND WITH THIS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CAPACITY FOR HOW MANY CARS, BY THE WAY, COME TO THE IT'S ABOUT FOUR, AT LEAST.
THERE'RE THREE WIDE ON THE SOUTHERN.
I GUESS WE, WE ALWAYS CALL IT THE DOWNHILL DRIVEWAY.
JUST SAY RIGHT OR LEFT FOR US, IF DON'T, RIGHT.
BUT HOW DEEP IS THAT DRIVEWAY? UH, IT, IT'S, UM, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? OH, SORRY.
UH, DOUG COLLINS, A HOMEOWNER.
OKAY, SO HOW STEVE, HOW DEEP IS THAT? THE NEW PROPOSED DRIVEWAY? UH, WELL, IT'S 30 FEET WIDE AND THEN TO THE WALL.
UM, TWO CARS, THAT'S ABOUT 30 FEET, 31 FEET.
HOW ABOUT DEEP AT, AT THE, AT THE HOUSE CORNER? IT'S ABOUT 21.
WELL, IT'S 26, 21 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LOT.
THAT'S THE, SO I'M ASKING, THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF IS 21 FEET WA LONG? YEAH.
AND IT'S A STEEP ROAD, SO, YOU KNOW.
YOU WANT ONE CURB CUT IN A STATE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO D O T TO GET THE CURB CUT.
RIGHT? UH, TOWN? THERE'S ALREADY A STATE ROAD, YOU SAID? NO PINE LANES.
HE SAID STEEP, STEEP, STEEP, STEEP ROAD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE D O T.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S THREE, IT'S REALLY A THREE CAR DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION TOO.
IT'S GOT A T YOU GONNA KEEP THE CURB CUT IN THE GARAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IT'S JUST A PARKING, A PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE IS FOR.
I GOTTA TELL YOU, I, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A CASE ON OLD ARMY ROAD ABOUT LESS THAN A YEAR AGO IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD WHERE THEY TRIED TO DO TWO DRIVEWAYS.
THAT'S VER GETTING THOSE TWO TUR CURB CUTS WITH A, I'M JUST WARNING YOU WITH A ZONING.
THEY, THEY FROWN ON, ON A SECOND DRIVEWAY IN A RESIDENCE.
I MEAN, THERE'S TWO THERE NOW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TWO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONE, I MEAN, IT WAS AN OLD ARMY, IT WAS A CAPE, I THINK, AND THEY TRIED TO PUT DRIVEWAYS ON BOTH SIDES AND, AND, UM, THE ZONING BOARDS THAT ACTUALLY MADE THEM CLOSE UP.
SO WHEN WE, WE MOVED IN, WHAT, 2017? THE TWO CURB CUTS ALREADY EXISTED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IS, THAT'S WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, WAS THAT LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, STEVE? DO YOU KNOW? UH, YEAH, I WOULD SAY YEAH.
IF IT WAS, BUT YOU ONLY HAD, BUT THE CURB CUT ON THE LEFT NOW WASN'T 30 FEET WIDE.
RIGHT? IT'S MORE THAN 30 FEET WIDE ON THE LEFT.
IT IS IN THE PROPOSAL, BUT EXISTING IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T 30, SO YEAH.
UH, EXISTING LEFT CURB CUT WAS 17 FEET.
SO, SO WE WOULD JUST WANT TO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR YOU AND THE ZONING BOARD.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THEIR DECISION.
WE MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES, BUT IT'S UP TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THIS ONE, TRUTHFULLY, IT'S REALLY THEIR ISSUE, NOT OURS.
I WOULD BE CONCERNED FOR YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING THE 17, EXPANDING IT TO 30 AND THEN
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HAVING NO CLEARANCE WITH, FROM, FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR.THE CURB CUT'S ONLY GOING UP FROM 17 TO 18.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO 30 AND GOES RIGHT NEXT TO THE WOLF PROPERTY WHERE THE EXPANSION IS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S OFF THE CURB CUT.
BUT YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH WHERE THE EXPANSION IS OR THIS PINK LINE.
THEN YOU, WHICH, UH, THE PINK LINE OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH, UH, IS ADJACENT TO THAT CONCRETE BLOCK RETAINING WALL, THERE'S LAND BETWEEN THAT AREA AND THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S GONNA BE VEGETATED EXCEPT IT SAYS, IT SAYS ZERO.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
UH, SINCE YOU ARE ASKING FOR VARIANCE AND YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH, UH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH AREA FOR A SINGLE FAMILY TO PARK CARS, WHY YOU NEED TO HAVE THE TWO RECUR TO, TO HOW MANY CARS YOU WANTED TO PARK? UM,
AND I THINK, OH, HUGS POINT IS RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU ASK FOR THE VARIANCE AND THEY WILL SAY WHY YOU NEED A VARIANCE.
SO I GUESS TO PUT EVERYTHING IN CONTEXT, PINE LANE, IT'S A VERY NARROW STREET.
THERE'S NO STREET PARKING OTHER THAN HALF.
GUESS EMERGENCY VEHICLES COULDN'T PASS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S ON THE STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, AND GUESTS HAVE TO PARK ALL THE WAY AT THE TOP OF THE STREET OR BOTTOM.
AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH GOVERNMENT.
UM, IT COULD SAY PHYSICAL PARK IN OUR NEIGHBORS OUT THERE.
I MEAN, CONSTANTLY NEIGHBORS ARE SHARING PARKING SPOTS.
SOMEONE WILL JUST COME AND PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY 'CAUSE THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION NOW FAR.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE UP AGAINST.
WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE BY THE WAY? UP TO THE LEFT OF YOU.
WHERE'S THE DRIVEWAY? DO YOU KNOW THE NEXT, THE LEFT OF OUR PROPERTY? YEAH.
UH, OTHER SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THEM.
HOW ABOUT ACROSS THE STREET? ACROSS THE STREET? OH, YOU'RE TALKING LIKE GETTING IN OR ROW? IF THEY'RE USING BOTH NOW I THINK YOURS IS LIKE THEIR HOUSE IS LOWER.
WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE SHOWED IT ON THE, UH, SCREEN WITH G S? CAN YOU PULL UP G S YEAH.
COULD YOU PULL UP, UH, LIKE GOOGLE, GOOGLE EARTH OR SOMETHING? STEVE, CAN YOU PULL UP, UH, GOOGLE STREET VIEW SHOWED IT PRETTY CLEARLY.
SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY SHARING, CAN I ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION? SURE.
SO WITH ALL THIS NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, SINCE YOU'RE EXPANDING THE DRIVEWAY, UM, WHAT'S THE, THE, THE STORM WATER, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THE RUNOFF? I THOUGHT I SAW A COUPLE CALL TECHS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, BUT THAT'S A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN WHERE THE PAVEMENT'S GOING ON THE LEFT SIDE.
STEVE, YOU'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF ANSWERING THAT ONE.
TALK ABOUT THE, JUST GETTING THAT, IT'S FINE.
WE'RE, WE'RE STILL SEEING THE CAD DRAWING.
UM, YEAH, NOT FOLLOW UP ANY THAT'S FINE.
I TURN FOLLOW, FOLLOW UP ON TOM'S QUESTIONS.
DO YOU, DO YOU MEET WITH THIS ADDITIONAL, UH, BLACK CAR AND EXPANSION OF THE DRIVEWAYS ON THE LEFT? UH, DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE UH, IT DOES PER, YEAH, IT DOES.
NO VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR IMPERVIOUS HAZARD.
SO THERE'S GREEN SPACE IN THE REAR.
UM, SO STEVE, AS YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, QUESTION OH, TWO MORE WAIT QUESTION RELATED TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, YEAH, I WAS GONNA GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT 'CAUSE UH, I'LL, I CAN SHOW WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
OKAY, SO LET'S, UH, I GOT THIS UP ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD SHOW US QUICK, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE AT LEAST 15 MINUTES WITH
LIKE IT HAS THE PROPERTY LINE GOING THROUGH THE, IT'S VERY DISTORTED.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL LOADING BLACK ON BLACK.
UH, SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK TO IT WHILE IT'S LOADING? UH, IN TERMS OF, OH, STILL.
IN TERMS OF ACROSS THE STREET? YEAH, ACROSS THE STREET IS, UM, I WOULD SAY ALMOST IN LINE WITH THE RETAINING WALL TOWARDS THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THINK IT'S STUCK ON YOUR CAD, UH, PROGRAM.
IT DIDN'T SWITCH OVER TO THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T, UH, I, WHEN YOU CLICK SHARE SCREEN, YOU GOTTA CLICK, UH, SHARE THE SCREEN, NOT THE SPECIFIC PROGRAM.
IF YOU WANT TO SWITCH PROGRAMS. OKAY.
LET ME, UH, IF YOU WANT ME TO SWITCH IT, LET ME JUST TRY SOMETHING.
YOU COULD CLOSE THAT AND OPEN, YEAH.
LET ME, UH, DO THIS CLOSE STOP SHARE AND THEN,
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OKAY, HERE WE GO.WHAT DO YOU HAVE WITH 2 86 CHIP? IT'S SLOW.
UH, SOME BIG, YOU GOT A BIG BLACK BLOTCH IN THE MIDDLE.
I THINK IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE, UH, ZOOM.
IS THAT BETTER? IT'S STILL THERE.
I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE A WIDE DRIVEWAY TOO.
WELL A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EVEN THIS ONE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE, A LOT OF PROPERTIES ALONG PINE LAND DO, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IN YOUR PRESENTATION TOO.
OKAY, SO I'M GONNA GO ON TO THE DRAINAGE NOW.
SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THERE.
AND
SO NOBODY'S GONNA, I I MEAN, SOMEBODY COULD GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S LEGAL AND WHAT ISN'T THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT NECESSARILY.
SO STEVE, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
HERE'S A DIAGRAM OF THE DRAINAGE.
THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUBMISSION THAT GOT THE STOP WORK ORDER HAD ONE CULT TECH.
AND UP IN HERE, BUT IT WOULD NEVER REACH TO THERE.
SO WHAT WHAT WE DID WAS WE DECIDED THAT, OH, BUT ONE, AND THE OTHER ITEM ON THAT FOR DRAINAGE WAS JUST A CURTAIN DRAIN BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE, THE PATIO ON THE BACK.
SO WE WENT A LITTLE BIT MUCH FURTHER.
WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD TAKE PART OF THE, UH, WE WOULD TAKE THE PATIO AND A SECTION OF THE ROOF AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE ROOF.
NOW YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, UH, DOESN'T HAVE ANY STORM DRAIN SYSTEM.
SO WHATEVER WE DO IS, IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
SO, BUT YOU'RE ADDING A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AT THE SAME TIME, STEVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, LET'S BE FAIR.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SEE ON THIS, THIS DIAGRAM HERE, UH, THE HATCHED AREAS ARE WHAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE CULT TYPE SYSTEMS, CALTECH SYSTEMS. SO YOU'RE GONNA PICK UP MORE THAN YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO.
WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? UM, WELL, YEAH.
WE'RE PICKING UP WITH, I'D SAY WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY DECREASING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY FLOWING OFF.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN NO NET, UH, INCREASE IN.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THAT, ALWAYS WITH THE WAY WE, WE THE LAW READS IS INADEQUATE TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT DIRECTION.
YOU'VE GOT THIS 30 FOOT WIDE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT GOES TO 17 FEET, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, SO WHERE'S THE RUNOFF FROM THAT DRIVE? THAT DRIVEWAY GONNA GO? UH, WE WERE GONNA HAVE IT RUN OFF, UH, INTO, IN, BASICALLY INTO THE STREET AS IT CURRENT OR, YOU KNOW, AS THE GROUND IS NOW.
WHAT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A FRENCH, SOME KIND OF DRAIN? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS RUNNING OFF AND, BUT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU'RE ADDING A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS ON THAT SIDE.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO MITIGATE IT FROM A MATH POINT OF VIEW BY TAKING ALL THE ROOF LEADERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND STICKING, STICKING IT ON CALTECH, THAT'S FINE.
AND THE RIGHT DRIVEWAY THEY HAVE ECS ON.
YEAH, I LOVE THAT IDEA, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE INTEGRATING WHAT COULD BE AN ISSUE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, EVEN THOUGH NET NET NET MM-HMM.
I WORRY ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT.
I WORRY ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET OR WHICH DO YOU GO DOWNHILL TO THE LEFT OR UP HILL? DOWN TO THE LEFT, DOWN, DOWNHILL, DOWN TO THE LEFT.
ALL ALL THE MORE REASON WHY I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE WATER THAT'S, WELL, YOU DO HAVE A RETAINING WALL THERE.
IT'S, AND THEN THEY GOT THE VEGETATION AND ALL STUFF.
WE UM, IT'S NOT GONNA RUN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IT'S GONNA RUN OUT INTO THE ROAD.
IT'S GONNA RUN OUT IN THE ROAD.
AND I I, IF YOU COULD THINK ABOUT PUTTING SOME KIND OF DRAIN AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, WE, WE, WE, LOOK, WE TRY THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
UHHUH WAS TO PUT DRY WELLS UNDER THE LEFT DRIVEWAY.
WE KEPT HITTING BEDROCK, BEDROCK, BEDROCK, HOW FAR DOWN, UH, OUR CONTRACTORS WERE DOING IT.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THERE'S ACTUALLY A PIECE OF BEDROCK ALMOST STICKING UP OF LIKE THE PIPING YOU ANYTHING TO, TO, TO ALLOW IT TO PERCOLATE ON THAT SIDE? OR IS IT REALLY, I'M SORRY, ON THE LEFT SIDE, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF, OF AT LEAST SLOWING DOWN THE FLOW
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COMING OFF THAT DRIVEWAY INTO THE STREET? UH, I COULD PUT, UH, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO POUR HIS PAVEMENT IN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP.THAT WOULD, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S HAVE A BED GRAVEL UNDERNEATH.
I THINK THAT THAT SOMETHING OUS PAVERS WOULD MAYBE A GOOD SOLUTION TO THAT.
I JUST, I WANNA SLOW THE WATER COMING OFF, EVEN THOUGH YOUR MATH I'M SURE IS RIGHT.
WELL IT'S A, YOU KNOW, I CAN GIVE YOU A WHOLE HY HYDROCARB REPORT AND SHOW YOU THAT WITH ALL THE SIGNIFICANT ROOF AREA WE'RE TAKING, WE WILL BE REDUCING THE STORM OR FLOW TO THE, THE STREET.
I COULD GIVE YOU A DESIGN TO THAT CORNER AND STILL SHOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LESS RUNOFF AND BETWEEN SOME PLANTINGS AND EVERYTHING, I, I THINK THAT WOULD, MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSULT WITH JASON, THE TOWN ENGINEERING.
I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND, AND MAYBE CONSIDERATION CASE YOU PROVIDED WITH THAT OR CAN YOU PROVIDE JASON WITH THAT POINT DISCHARGE? YEAH.
AND YOU CAN EXPRESS A CONCERN TO JASON THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THAT, THAT YOU SUGGESTED.
YEAH, I COULD DO A WHOLE DESIGN POINT FOR THAT DESIGN POINT.
WHY DON'T WE HOLD THIS OVER, WHY DON'T WE HOLD THIS OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THE VARIANCES ANYWAY AND, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION THE NEXT TIME, STEVE, THE SOONER YOU CAN GET TO JASON AND TRY TO RESOLVE THAT AND, AND COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, STILL IT SHOULDN'T SLOW ANYTHING DOWN.
WE, WE CAN STILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ON THE ZONING BOARD CALENDAR.
YOU, YOU HAVEN'T TRIED YET, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO YOU MAY NOT EVEN GET ON OCTOBER.
IT, YOU'LL GET ON EITHER OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
UH, HAVE YOU TALKED TO YOUR NEIGHBORS? UM, YEAH, ALL OF THEM.
THE NEIGHBORS DOWNHILL FROM US CANDIDLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START, WHEN WE BROKE GROUND ON EVERYTHING WE GOT HURRICANE.
THAT WAS THE SEASON THAT WE GOT ALL THE HURRICANES AND THAT CRAZY RAIN.
I FORGET THE, THEY FREAKED OUT THE ACTUAL YEAR.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF RUNOFF THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH JUST, JUST REMEMBER THEY, THEY CAN COME OUT TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO I I KURT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE MORE YOU CAN TELL THEM AND THAT, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT ON AND OUR ENGINEERS WORKING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT ENGINEER WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THIS STUFF STAYS ON OUR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL AND WE, WE WE'RE PUTTING IN THE, THE RIGHT DRAINAGE SHOULD DO THAT.
THAT'S WHY I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE LEFT SIDE BECAUSE YOU GET A BIG RAINSTORM.
I COULD CARE LESS WHAT'S GOING ON THAT SIDE.
IT'S GONNA RUN OFF THAT DRIVEWAY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
AND IT'S BETTER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THEM, UH, AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT POTENTIALLY MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMING OUT SAYING THIS IS THE FIRST WE'VE HEARD OF IT.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING? COULD PROLONG THE PROCESS.
UM, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THE BOARD DOES SUGGEST IT EARLY ON AS POSSIBLE VERSUS THEM SEEING A SIGN IN YOUR YARD THAT SAYS PUBLIC HEARING.
SOME OF THEM MAY BE PARTICULARLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, KNOW, SPEAKING ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE DRAINAGE OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IF YOU TELL 'EM ABOUT THE, THE, THE PERMEABLE PAVERS, IF THAT'S AN OPTION THERE, THAT'S A REAL, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THE, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THOSE BEFORE.
I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO LIKE RE'S AN EXPERT ON, I THINK, UH, UH, YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO IT AND IT'S IMPROVED KIND OF A, UH, TAKES A LOT OF UH, I MEAN MIGHT, MIGHT NEED IT INITIALLY WORK, BUT THEN IT WILL SAVE YOU ON UH, DRAINAGE AND CALTECH AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO DO YOU KNOW THAT JUST ANY LIKE PRODUCT NAME, NOT THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IT, JUST ANYTHING THAT COUNTS AS VARIABLE? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME ARE, SO ALL PAVERS ARE MAKING PER UH, COULD BE PERVIOUS PS ALL OF THEM.
UH, UNI BLOCK, UM, I THINK STEVE SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW IT.
WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF POROUS PAVEMENT YEAH.
'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, THE STORMWATER ISSUES.
SO I MEAN WE CAN COME THAT DIRECTION TOO, RIGHT? YOU JUST GOTTA LOOK AT THE STORAGE CAPACITY GIVEN THE BEDROCK UNDERNEATH.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND UM, COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
I WANT, WE HAVE ONE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT SITTING THERE ALL NIGHT AND THEY'D LIKE TO GET TO THE BE BEFORE THE EVENING'S OUT.
SO, SO WE'LL COORDINATE, WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS THAT MEETING WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER AND UH, EITHER HAVE YOU COME IN, DO A ZOOM, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE SO THAT WE CAN GET BACK TO THE BOARD AND UH, BE PREPARED FOR THE 20TH.
AND FOR THAT MEETING FOR THE TWO VARIANCES WITH THE RETAINING WALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE DRIVEWAY.
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THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY KIND OF GIVE THE OKAY.AND EVERYTHING THAT, ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET THE NEIGHBORS ON YOUR SIDE FOR THE BED.
BUT WHEN YOU MEET WITH THE ZONING BOARD, YES.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THEM SIGNING SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING, THAT'S HELPFUL.
IT'S NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST, BUT IF THEY, BUT IF THEY CAN BRING UP, IF THEY BRING UP CONCERNS THAT COULD BE ENOUGH TO SWAY A DECISION THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SIR, UH, PB 2317 DEL MA GANDHI.
IT'S A ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD I BELIEVE.
AND THEN, AND ALSO A PUTTING IN A ROAD THAT IS A PRIVATE ROAD AS I UNDERSTAND.
SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND SURE.
LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
LUCAS SLAPPED HIM THIS MORNING.
WE KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE A LINE UP, SO SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT BUT REWARD YOU.
OKAY, SO FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS GREGORY OLE, UH, DESIGN ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UH, THE PROPERTY THAT I'LL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT OFF OF OLD ARMY ROAD, ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION AT CENTRAL AVENUE.
UH, THE LOT'S ABOUT 60,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING INTO POSSIBILITIES OF SUBDIVIDING THE LOT, UTILIZING IT AS ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE A PORTION OF IT ACTUALLY THE SQUARE IT'S SMALL.
THAT'S THIS SMALL SQUARE ON THIS END OF THE LOT.
ACTUALLY THIS LOT THAT I CREATED ON THIS END IS ACTUALLY IN A C A ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, AND THE REMAIN, THE REMAINING AREA IS PART OF THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO CHANGE THE CA DISTRICT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
ONE COMMENT I NEED TO MAKE FOR THE RECORD IS THIS IS A PRESION CONFERENCE TIMELINE.
JUST TO GET, SO THEY CAN GET A FEEL SOME FEEDBACK.
IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN A WORK SESSION.
AND I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SAY THAT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS SOME FEEDBACK, SOME GENERAL FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS TO KIND OF GAIN SOME DIRECTION TRACTION.
KEEP GOING AND PRESENT, PRESENT THE PLAN PLEASE.
UM, SO THE LOT IS PREDOMINANTLY STEEP SLOPES, WHICH PRESENTS SOME CHALLENGES IN ACCESS TO THE SITE.
UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LIMITED IN, IN WHERE YOU CAN ACCESS THE SITE DUE TO THAT.
WHICH IS WHERE, WHICH IS WHY THE, THE PROPOSED CURB CUT IS, IS SHOWN WHERE IT IS.
UH, ALSO THE ORIENTATION OF THE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS DUE TO EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.
SO WE DID LOOK INTO, UH, WHETHER OR NOT A FIRE TRUCK OR YOU KNOW, FIRE TRUCK BECAUSE IT'S THE BIGGEST EMERGENCY ACCESS VEHICLE CAN ENTER AND LEAVE THE SITE COMFORTABLY.
IT IS POSSIBLE LOOK INTO, THEY CAN MAKE THAT TURN THAT THAT, THAT THE TWO TURNS THE TURN IN AND THAT THAT RIGHT.
THERE'S A HAMMERHEAD, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TURN AROUND.
THEY FIRETRUCK DO NOT TURN AROUND.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY DON'T, THEY NEVER TURN, THEY ALMOST NEVER TURN AROUND SOMETHING FOR YOU TO EVALUATE.
THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE FIRE CHIEFS.
THEY WANT THEY HAVE ANYWAY MAYBE, BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS NOT THAT PART I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING.
WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT LEFT TURN, THAT KIND OF LEFT TURN IN WHEN YOU COME OFF THE RIGHT, WHETHER OR NOT A, A LARGE FIRE TRUCK COULD MAKE THAT TURN, THEY CAN MAKE THE TURN PULLING INTO THE SITE MM-HMM.
BUT I FEEL LIKE REVERSING OUT OF THIS WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.
THAT'S THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO ANY FORMAL PROPOSAL WILL GET TO THAT FIRE DISTRICT FORWARDED TO THE FIRE DISTRICT FOR THEIR REVIEW INPUT AND FEEDBACK.
IS THAT SOME, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I SHOULD START AT THEN BECAUSE THAT'S MAY PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST ASPECTS OF THIS.
WE COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET OTHER FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD IF WE CAN CERTAINLY SEEK TO SET UP A PRELIMINARY MEETING.
SO JUST REACH OUT TO ME MORE COMMUNICATION TO HAVE THEM EARLY ON.
THEY MAY HAVE A SUGGESTION TOO.
BUT WE'VE BEEN SURPRISED WHEN WE'VE TRIED TO BUILD HAMMERHEADS AND STUFF FOR A LOT OF THE FIRE DISTRICTS.
WELL THAT'S DEFINITELY HELPFUL.
I CAN TELL YOU THEY USED TO BACKING OUT IN EDGEWATER.
I WOULDN'T GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD WITHOUT GETTING THEIR INPUT BECAUSE YEAH.
THEY WOULD ALTER THEIR WHOLE PLAN.
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I DID SAY IT'S PREDOMINANTLY STEEP SLOPES.WE'RE ABSOLUTELY PREPARED TO REPLACE THEM, UH, ACCORDING TO THE CODE.
UH, SORRY, MY MOUSE IS STUCK AND THAT'S WHY MY, MY ZOOMING IS NOT, OR MY SCROLLING ISN'T MM-HMM.
UM, HERE'S A STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PERFORMED.
UH, AND HERE IS JUST A PRELIMINARY LAYOUT FOR, UH, PROPOSED GRADING FOR THE SITE.
UM, HERE, LEMME MOVE THIS OVER.
AND, UH, THERE ARE SOME RETAINING WALLS INVOLVED.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE, THE STEEP SLOPES IN THE CONTOURS.
UM, THERE IS A, UH, PROPOSED STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT, THAT I PLACED FOR THE SITES.
AGAIN, WE HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY, LIKE THE FIRE, LIKE FIRE ACCESS, SITE DISTANCE, SAFETY STUFF, UTILITIES, UM, SITE DISTANCE IS GONNA BE BE A BIG CONCERN.
AND I THINK, UH, THE FI THE, THE, THE BIGGEST THING RIGHT NOW IS REALLY SPEAKING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INITIALLY BEFORE I EVEN TAKE THIS MUCH FURTHER.
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ONES TOO.
I THINK A LOT OF STEEP SLOPES AND I KNOW EDGEMONT VERY, VERY WELL.
GENERALLY STEEP SLOPES AND EDGEMONT MEAN ROCK.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE YOU, YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANY TEST WARRANT? WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY, UH, TEST SOIL TESTING YET.
THAT'S GONNA BE, KNOWING THAT AS WE GO INTO TO A SUBDIVISION THING, HAVING A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF HOW MUCH ROCK YOU'RE GONNA HIT WHEN YOU DO THIS IS A REALLY GOOD ASPECT TOO.
I MEAN IT'S, THE PROJECT IS REALLY GONNA BE PRELIM, UH, MOSTLY FILL, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING, ACTUALLY BUILDING UP.
THE ONLY ROCK EXCAVATION WOULD BE FOR THE HOMES MAINLY AND UTILITIES.
BRINGING IN THE UTILITIES MAYBE ACTUALLY 'CAUSE IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE PLACED IN THE FIELD.
I DIDN'T GO THAT FAR, SO I I CAN'T TELL YOU.
I I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S
NO, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OR THINGS THAT YOU TRAFFIC, I MEAN TRAFFIC SAFETY CONSULTANT.
IT'S MANY TIMES OF THE DAY AND ESPECIALLY TURNING LEFT OUT OF, OUT OF THAT LOCATION.
SO WHEN YOU SAY TRAFFIC SAFETY, WELL MY MIND IS PSYCH DISTANCE HERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES PARTICULARLY WITH THIS, THIS PARTICULAR WHERE THAT, THAT THIS IS ONE IS IT'S A VERY OLD ARMY'S, A VERY BUSY, THAT'S A VERY, VERY BUSY INTERSECTION.
IT IS EVEN BUSIER SEVERAL TIMES.
AT LEAST A COUPLE TIMES A DAY AS A RESULT OF, OF A HIGH SCHOOL.
IT IS THE MAIN WAY PEOPLE GET TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, WE HAVE HAD SPEEDING ISSUES ON THAT ROAD FOR YEARS.
AND THAT THERE TENDS TO BE SOME STACK THREE, FOUR CARS MAYBE AND WE CAN FIGURE, WE CAN GET WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A B OR A C UNDER THE INTERSECTION, BUT THAT'S EASY TO FIND OUT.
THEN YOU'VE GET THE HILL AND THE CURVE AND, AND OLD ARMY AS WELL.
SO YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK AT ALL OF THAT STUFF.
UM, WE, WE WORK WITH TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK, WORK WITH OUR, OUR, THE SAFETY DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN.
AND WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WHO WOULD BE, WHO WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THIS AS WELL.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A LONG PRIVATE ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE A PRIVATE ROAD.
WAS THE IDEA TO HAVE AN H O A MAINTAIN THAT ROAD? DEDICATE THE ROAD? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE ROAD? YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UH, THE THE, THE RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE SHARED BY THE RIGHT.
'CAUSE THE TOWN WOULD LIKELY NOT ENTERTAIN AN OFFER MEDICATION.
IT'S BUT THE UTILITIES, RIGHT? YEAH.
WITH THE UTILITIES WITH, UM, GARBAGE WITHOUT THE, THE UH, CUL-DE-SAC, THEY COLLECT GARBAGE TURNAROUND, WHICH IS PERSONAL LAYOUT EVEN THOUGH THE HAMMERHEAD STYLE IS PERMITTED RIGHT UNDER THE, UH, FIRE CODE, FIRE CODE.
SO IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY, WE HAD A SIMILAR PROJECT IN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT THAT WAS AN ARGUMENT.
UM, CCO WROTE, BUT UM, BUT THAT WASN'T IN GREENVILLE.
THAT WASN'T GREENVILLE THOUGH.
SO THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY A NUMBER OF THINGS.
I DID LOOK INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC.
IT DOESN'T, YEAH, IT'S JUST WELL THAT'S TOO MUCH.
IT SO MUCH OF THE LAND BE DESTROYING A LOT OF MORE TREES.
SO NOT HOW, HOW CERTAIN THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR, BUT THERE'S A LARGE SWATH OF STATE RIGHT OF WAY.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
VERY ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAKING OR LANDSCAPE, WHATEVER IT WAS BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
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OF THIS ROADWAY? YES, WE'RE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THEM ALREADY.UM, STEVE WILLARD'S OUR SURVEYOR, SO HE HAD GIVEN ME A CONTACT TO THE D O T AND UH, REACHED OUT TO THEM BUT HAVEN'T HAD ANY SOLID CONVERSATION YET BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED RIGHT TO START BEFORE WE EVEN GOT THAT, YOU KNOW.
AND IF YOU COULD GET THAT LAND BACK, WOULD YOU AND, AND WOULD THAT CHANGE THE DRIVE, THE SHAPE OF THE DRIVEWAY? IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE CONT THE CONTOURS.
SO, SO IT'S IRRELEVANT WHETHER THAT STAYS IN STATE PROPERTY OR YOUR PROPERTY.
THIS IS HOW YOU'RE ACCESSING THIS SITE.
YEAH, THERE'S NOT, THE ONLY THING IS YOU NEED A RIGHT AWAY.
YOU NEED A RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED PERMITS, ADMINISTRATIVE PERMITS FROM D O T.
WELL THEY PROBABLY NEED DEEDED RIGHT AWAY.
THEY'RE GONNA NEED A DEEDED RIGHT AWAY, WOULDN'T THEY? TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY OR HAVE THE ROAD IT WOULD BE AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE DEEDED.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DEEDED PROBABLY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO BE AWARE OF YOUR OWN PRODUCTION.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER TWO THINGS I WAS GONNA MENTION IS, UH, CHEER NORTH, SO ADJACENT TO THAT THIRD LOT WHERE YOU'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA BE SEEKING A REZONE AND IF THE BOARD HAS ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT POTENTIAL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT THERE'S A CEMETERY OR BURIAL CORRECT SITE ASSOCIATED WITH THE GREENVILLE IS THERE? YEAH.
SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, I MEAN, WHO'S TO SAY IT'S HISTORIC BOARD INVOLVED IN THIS? THE HISTORIC BOARD WILL BE INVOLVED AND, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING UNCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF EXCAVATION, THERE LIKELY WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT IT'D BE SET ASIDE PHOTOGRAPHED.
THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE SENSITIVE BECAUSE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR THEY DID TRY, TRY TO GET ON THE HISTORIC RECORD.
SO ADJACENT TO YOUR UPHILL SIDE IS, UM, A STRUCTURE THAT DATES BACK QUITE A WAYS.
IT WAS KNOWN AS THE UNDERHILL TAVERN THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD.
UM, THE HISTORIC BOARD AT A PRIOR TIME DID SEEK TO LANDMARK THAT STRUCTURE THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL AT THAT TIME, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SENSITIVE TO THEM AND THAT'S WHY THERE WERE QUESTIONS RELATED TO ROCK REMOVAL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A FULL SITE, BUT ANY POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THAT STRUCTURE IS NOT SOMETHING ANYONE WOULD MM-HMM.
UM, BEYOND THAT, THE EDGEMONT SCHOOL FIELD IS ABOVE THIS SITE AS WELL.
SOUNDS LIKE AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A FILL SITE THAN CORRECT.
HAMMERING OUT ROCK OR BLASTING.
BUT SOMETHING TO ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY, I MEAN HONESTLY I DON'T SEE ANY USE FOR THAT PART PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CB ZONE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S BEHIND PROPERTY THAT'S ALL ALREADY WHAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT? NO, TALKING ABOUT THE PATIO, IT'S WHAT'S THAT? PATIO PATIO.COM.
IT'S THE YOGA AND INSURANCE AND OH, OKAY.
SO ADJACENT TO YOUR CITY, THAT LITTLE STRIP SHOP, LITTLE STRIP CENTER.
WE ACTUALLY EXPLORED ACCESS TO THE LOT THROUGH THERE, THROUGH THROUGH CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND BUT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, IT DOESN'T SEEM, NO, NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR ANY, FOR COMMERCIAL EITHER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD SOME LITTLE ROAD GOING UP FROM CENTRAL AVENUE.
NOBODY EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND NO ONE'S GOING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY EXPANSION LIKELY TO HAPPEN WITH THIS GOOD SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S THERE NOW OR PATIO, PATIO TO COME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO KNOW AS WELL,
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT THE FEEDBACK IS, I DON'T THINK, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE CONVERTING THAT TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
ANYTHING THAT'S SEAMLESS? YEAH, I, I I THINK, UH, UH, IT'S A, I I AGREE THAT IT'S ALL FRAGMENTED COMMERCIAL AND, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE DEVELOPMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, UH, SOMEBODY MAY MAYBE, MAYBE HAS MORE UTILITY TO DEVELOP AS A, OR KEEP IT AS A COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN CHANGING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GIVE ACCESS.
WHERE DO YOU GET ACCESS FROM? YEAH, HEMAN OWNS A LOT.
THE PATIO.COM NO, WOULDN'T EVEN GO THROUGH PATIO.COM.
YEAH, IT'S THE NEXT YEAH, BUT I, I TAUGHT DIGGING.
YOU ALSO HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH, WITH SLOPE THEN.
WHAT THE QUESTION, WHAT WAS THE ACCESS TO THAT CA LAW TO THAT SMALL ALONE, ALONE
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IS PART OF THE CA DISTRICT.I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.
BUT IF IT WASN'T CONNECTED TO ANOTHER LOT, IT'S SEVERELY UNDERSIZED.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S VERY SMALL, THE SETBACKS OF REQUIREMENTS OF THE CA DISTRICT FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
I MEAN THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY EVERYTHING'S A PARTY HERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT.
I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID IT.
I AM WORRIED ABOUT SITE DISTANCE.
AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE AS PART OF THIS, POSSIBLY AN OPTION IS FOR YOU GUYS TO HELP WITH SOME TRAFFIC CALMING ME MEASURES ALONG ALARM ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE.
I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INGRATIATE YOU TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY, UH, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
IT'S KIDS, KIDS ARE WALKING DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE THERE ALL THE TIME IN THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S JUST A HIGH SCHOOL, EVEN SEALY PLACE, THE UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THEY COME, THEY COME FROM CENTRAL AVENUE, SOME OF THEM TO SEALY.
IS THERE, IS THERE A SIDEWALK? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, NO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS.
A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE? NO, I THINK IT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
IS THERE A SIDEWALK? I THINK THERE IS A SIDEWALK SIDE SIDEWALK, YES.
ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE RIGHT SIDE.
BUT IT'D BE GOOD, GOOD TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT WITHOUT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STATE LANDS PHENOMENAL.
WELL, WELL THE CROSSWALK COULD BE REALLY GREAT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A, A REGULATED CROSSWALK COULD BE TERRIFIC.
SO, I MEAN, ITSELF, I'M SURE THE STATE WOULD ALLOW THEM.
GUESS IS HE GONNA GET A LOT OF CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY? 'CAUSE WE DON'T, LIKE, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE LOSING TREES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT OTHER THAN THAT.
BUT IT DOES HAVE THAT, THAT, AND DO HAVE THE, THE OLD HOUSE NEXT TO IT, WHICH PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO THAT, AND THE TRAFFIC SAFETY, IF YOU CAN MITIGATE, ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE SAFETY SITUATION WHILE YOU'RE DOING THIS, THAT MAY ENDEAR YOU A BIT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, UH, IT MAY MITIGATE THE CONCERN OR MAYBE PUT IT THIS WAY, I THINK IT WOULD, MAY, MAY GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT TO THE COMMUNITY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT MAY MITIGATE WHAT COULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE.
WHICH IS OUR, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY NOT MAKING EVERYBODY HAPPY.
OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT SAFE.
SO STAFF CAN COORDINATE, UH, LOOK TO COORDINATE MEETING WITH FIRE DISTRICT OFFICIALS.
GO OVER SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AND THEN SEPARATELY FACILITATE A MEETING WITH GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
ON THE FRONT END, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SO YOU CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM THEM BECAUSE THE BOARD IS GONNA RELY ON INPUT FROM THEM.
YOU KNOW, AS IT MOVES THROUGH ANY FORMAL PROCESS.
SHOULD YOU SUBMIT, OKAY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, THE OPPOSITE? IF WE WANTED TO ZONE FOR LIKE A COMMERCIAL USE OR, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD, CHANGING THE ZONE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A NON-STARTER BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC OF PUTTING, OF COMMERCIAL THREE HOUSES THAT, THAT IN THAT TRAFFIC ISN'T GREAT.
YOU START PUTTING UP EITHER SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO LIKE YOU MADE OF THE CA ZONE OR IT COULD EITHER BE, UH, COMMERCIAL OR, UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IN THAT LOCATION.
MY GUESS IF IT WAS CONSOLIDATED, MAYBE WITH, WITH PATIO.COM AND THE ACCESS WAS TO CENTRAL AVENUE.
BUT COMING OFF OLD ARMY ROAD, I THINK THAT'D BE VERY PROBLEMATIC, TO BE HONEST.
FOR COMMERCIAL, NO, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD COME OFF BOULDER ARMY ROAD.
BUT IF WE, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE MIC.
YOU'RE ON TELEVISION, SO YEAH.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, THE, THE ACCESS I DID, WE LOOK AT THE ACCESS.
IF YOU COME CLOSER TO AND TALK, JUST HOLD THE MIC EVEN SPEAK.
DID DID WE LOOK AT THE ACCESS FROM, UH, THE PARKING LOT OF THE STRIP CENTER? YES.
COMING INTO THAT PRESIDENTIAL LOT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE GRADE I BET GRADING.
THAT'S THE TROUBLE CHALLENGING.
WE'D HAVE TO REGRADE THAT TO BE REAL.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY HIGH BACK THERE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONCEIVABLE ACCESS PROPERTY.
IS THAT A VIABLE PROPERTY? YEAH, BUT IF YOU PUT, IF YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF CENTRAL AVENUE, WHAT VIABLE COMMERCIAL ARE YOU GONNA PUT IN THERE? IS
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IT WOULD BE A QUESTION TOO TO, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES ON CENTRAL AVENUE.BUT AS YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE, OBVIOUSLY IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD A, A MEDICAL GROUP THAT WAS INTERESTED IN A MEDICAL TYPE BUILDING, POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE A VERY VIABLE USE POTENTIALLY FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE, IT COULD ALMOST BE DESIGNED LIKE A RESIDENCE.
UH, I WOULD STILL, IN TERMS OF ITS APPEARANCE, I, I, I, AGAIN, I WOULD IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENCE IS, I WOULD NEVER PUT, I WOULD NEVER ENTER IT FROM CENTRAL AVENUE IF I DO THE RESIDENCE.
ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THE OTHER THING, IF YOU GO TO DO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL AND SOMETHING COOL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK IN AND I DON'T THINK YOU OWN THE PATIO.COM BUILDING.
THAT THING IS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR YEARS.
IF, IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SEE WHAT ACTUALLY MAY WORK THERE AND COME UP WITH A COMMERCIAL THING AND HAVE THAT WHOLE CORNER, THAT COULD BE KIND OF COOL.
AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT WILL, THAT WILL REALLY UH, UH, GOOD IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT CORNER, NOT ANOTHER INDOOR GOLF.
WE ALREADY HAVE TWO TWO WITH A MILE.
KEEP IN MIND YOU'D HAVE TO REZONE THREE.
IT'S THREE R 10 LOTS TO CA THEN AS WELL.
BUT IF YOU MERGED IN THE WAY, I THINK YOU COULD DO IT IF YOU MERGE HIM WITH PATTY.COM.
BECAUSECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE AND CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I THINK THAT, I THINK A FLAG LOT IN THE CA ZONE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
BUT SOMETHING WITH STRONG FRONTAGE ON CENTRAL, ESPECIALLY ON THAT CORNER COULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
BUT PATIO.COM ONLY HAS ENTRANCE AND EXIT FROM OLD ARMY ROAD.
BECAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE ALL THAT STUFF, ALL THAT JUNK AND LITERALLY JUNK PILED UP AND PILED UP IN THE FRONT YARD THERE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO D O T AND GET A CUT, CURB CUT ON CENTRAL.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'D HAVE TO DO.
I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO BETTER, BETTER AS A, AS A COMMUNITY AND GETTING THINGS THAT SERVICE THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND GET PEOPLE IN THE AREA TO USE THEM.
THAT'S A PROBLEM IN EDGEMONT, THE CENTRAL AVENUE STUDY, WHICH IS NOW DONE A WHILE AGO.
THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT COME IN FROM YONKERS THAN LEAVE FROM THE MORE PEOPLE LEAVE FROM EDGEMONT THAT COME IN FROM YONKERS.
DON'T, I MEAN PEOPLE AT EDGEMONT DON'T USE THE STUFF ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
YEAH, IT'S A, I MEAN THE THING THAT SAVED MIDWAY WAS SHOPRITE, MAKE NO MISTAKE, BUT THAT WAS A GHOST TOWN.
YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT A GOURMET SUPERMARKET WHICH THEY HAD IN THERE WOULD'VE WORKED.
IT LASTED WHAT A YEAR, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
SO IF WE CAN FIND THINGS THAT WOULD WORK IN THE AREA AND YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE EVER GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH THE SPACESHIP NEXT DOOR.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH, UM, AND LOOK TO COORDINATE THOSE MEETINGS.