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UH, WELCOME TO OUR GREENBERG TOWN BOARD, UM, MEETING, UM, TODAY'S SEPTEMBER 19TH AT FIVE, UH, ALMOST FIVE 15.
AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE DEVOTING THE ENTIRE MEETING, UH, TO FOCUSING ON FLOOD RELATED, UM, ISSUES, UH, TROUBLESOME BROOK AND MANHATTAN BROOK.
AND, UM, WE HAVE, UM, GUESTS, UM, WOODARD AND CURRAN, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UM, COMMISSIONED TO DO A STUDY.
JOSEPH KIRBY, RICH FA COMMISSIONER, PUBLIC WORKS.
AND, UH, BRIAN SIMMONS, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER WILL GIVE, UM, A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS AND IF EVERYBODY WOULD TURN ON THEIR MICROPHONES AND GIVE ME BACK MY AGENDA.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND MAYBE YOU COULD TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ADDRESS, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOODING, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, MY NAME IS ANTHONY CATANO, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH WOODED AND KERN.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT YOUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE WITH US THE EVENING, THIS EVENING, IN ADDITION TO MYSELF, OUR FLOOD MITIGATION EXPERT AND LEADS OUR FLOOD MITIGATION PRACTICE NATIONALLY FOR OUR ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER COUNTY FOR NEW ROCHELLE AND HARRISON AND WHITE PLAINS AND, UM, AND SO ON.
SO, UH, JOE KIRBY, UH, AS I SAID, LEADS OUR WORK, UH, IN IN THAT REGARD.
HE WORKED FOR FEMA FOR MANY YEARS AND HAS SOME REAL UNIQUE INSIGHT.
UH, AND, AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO DO THESE TYPES OF STUDIES, UH, IN A SUCCESSFUL WAY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH COORDINATING WITH, WITH THE CLIENT IN THIS CASE, DIRECTLY WITH, UH, D P W AND, AND, AND YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY, RICH AND BRIAN.
UH, AND THEIR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UH, IN GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, THERE'S STILL CERTAINLY, UH, WORK TO BE DONE, SOME HEAVY LIFTING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE.
BUT, UH, THIS ALSO IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT THE TABLE HERE.
UH, AND, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND I SAY US, BUT EVEN MORE SO JOE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THEM.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO JOE.
JOE, IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU.
UM, SO I AM GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN HERE AND PULL UP A PRESENTATION.
I TALK A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH PICTURES IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO EXPLAIN, AND IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET THAT OFF THE SCREEN MINIMIZED PUT UP THERE.
YEAH, IT'S STILL, THAT'S FINE.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT.
AS ANTHONY NOTED, UH, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH FEMA, UM, OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE DONE PROBABLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, UM, MANY, MANY, UH, FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS AND, UM, A LOT OF PROJECTS.
UH, NEVER HAVE I WORKED ON A STREAM CALLED TROUBLESOME BROOK, BUT
UM, SO, SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
UM, UH, BASICALLY THE TWO STUDIES, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO WORK ON AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE DURATION OF THIS PROJECT ARE TROUBLESOME BROOK AND, UH, MANHATTAN PARK BROOK.
AND THEY'RE BOTH, UH, TWO TO THREE SQUARE MILES, UM, WITH A COUPLE OF MILES OF STREAMS. SO, UM, IN MANHATTAN, PARK BROOK, MANHATTAN BROOK AND TROUBLESOME BROOK, THE MAJOR, UH, TRIBUTARIES, UM, IN THESE STUDIES, UM, THEY'RE HEAVILY DEVELOPED, UH, BOTH OF THEM, ESPECIALLY TROUBLESOME, UM, AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN IN THE, IN THE WATERSHEDS.
UM, THE, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HERE SHOWS, UH, BOTH THESE WATERSHEDS, UM, IN GREENBURG, UM, AND, UM, THEY WERE BROUGHT TO US THAT, UH, THAT THEY BOTH HAD MAJOR ISSUES WITH FLOODING, SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES, BUT ALSO JUST MANY ISSUES THAT THE, THAT THE SYSTEMS ARE OLD.
UM, AND THEY WERE BUILT MANY YEARS AGO AND THEY WERE BUILT TO DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM BUILT TO TODAY.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INVESTIGATION DONE, AND WE'LL DO AN ANALYSIS TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO MITIGATE AND, UM, ALLEVIATE
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AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T ELIMINATE IT, BUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, ANY OF THE FLOODING, UH, THAT'S HAPPENING INTO THE TWO STUDIES.
THE OTHER NOTE HERE IS TROUBLESOME DOES EMPTY OUT DIRECTLY INTO YONKERS.
AND, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WENT INTO THE, UH, THE COUNTY MEETINGS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR FUNDING, THAT WAS ALWAYS A QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU JUST GONNA BUILD A BIG PIPE AND SEND THE WATER TO US? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
ONE OF THE GUIDELINES IS TO DO NO HARM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, IT'LL IMPROVE, REDUCE FLOODING HERE, BUT ALSO NOT CREATE FLOODING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, IT'S A LOT OF HOW WE DO OUR WORK.
UM, WHEN, WHEN DID THIS STUDY COMMENCE? ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
I WOULD SAY LESS THAN, UH, SOME AT SOME POINT LAST YEAR.
I MEAN, BRENDA, THE MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU.
AT, AT SOME POINT, UH, LAST YEAR, SUPERVISOR, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO LOOK EXACTLY WHEN, UH, WHEN WE STARTED, AND I BELIEVE WE GOT FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY TO HELP THE TOWN PAY FOR THIS.
SO IT WENT THROUGH THE TURN IT, TURN IT ON, TURN ON.
STILL GIVE HIM THAT THIS, THANK YOU.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE, UH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY STORMWATER.
WE WENT THROUGH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.
SO NOW I BELIEVE IT'S, WHAT'S THE LEGISLATOR AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
WE HAVE INFORMATION AND WE HAVE, UH, SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE INFORMATION ON ONE OF THE SLIDES RELATED TO, UH, TO THE FUNDING AND WHAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THAT, UH, THROUGH THAT COMMITTEE.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT.
SO, AND WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS ALL THESE IN, UH, IN DETAIL, BUT THESE ARE THE TASKS OF OUR PROJECT.
THEY'RE ALSO IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY, UH, PROGRAM.
AND THESE TASKS ARE ALL REQUIRED, UH, TO RECEIVE FUNDING THROUGH THE CHOIR, THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO WE, WE DEVELOPED OUR PROJECT THAT WAY.
UM, SOME OF THE, UH, PROBABLY UNIQUE PIECES, UM, IN THIS IS, IS TO ACTUALLY DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO ONCE YOU'VE DECIDED ON A PROJECT AND ARE, AND ARE MOVING IT FORWARD AND LOOKING FOR FUNDING.
WE DEFINITELY DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, BUT IT, IT MIGHT ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY LOOKED AT AT THIS STAGE, UM, IN THE PROCESS, EXCEPT FOR LIKE THE COUNTY RULES AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, SO WE HAVE DONE, UM, THREE TASKS SO FAR.
WE'VE, WE'VE GONE OUT AND DONE DATA COLLECTION.
UH, WE'VE SENT OUR ENGINEERS AND STAFF OUT INTO THE FIELD TO COLLECT INFORMATION ON STRUCTURES AND TO COLLECT INFORMATION ON THE, UH, THE HYDRAULIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE STREAM AND, AND, AND DIFFERENT PROBLEM AREAS AND, AND TOOK TONS AND TONS OF PHOTOS AND, AND LOTS OF NOTES.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED OUR BASELINE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY.
UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, THREE TASKS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
SO YOUR DATA, IS THAT HISTORICAL DATA OR IS THAT EMPIRICAL DATA? DID YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT AND MEASURE? NO, WE A WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND, AND OBSERVED.
THERE IS A, A SCOPE TO DO THAT, TO HIRE A SURVEYOR AND GO OUT AND, AND DO THAT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE ASKED THE SURVEYORS TO GO OUT AND DO IT IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST ACCURATE WAY TO DO IT.
AND THEY CAN DO IT THE QUICKEST.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T TOUCH THEIR RATES AND, AND HOW FAST THEY CAN PUT IT TOGETHER.
THUS THEY PUT IT TOGETHER IN A FORMAT THAT WE CAN DIRECTLY IMPORT IT INTO OUR MODEL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK IN A MINUTE ABOUT, UH, WE DID GET DATA, UM, PART OF OUR DATA REVIEW.
AND SO A LITTLE BIT OF G I S DATA, BUT THEN A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, UH, RECORD FILES AND THOSE RECORD FILES, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE QUESTIONABLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE OLDER THAN ANY MAINTENANCE YOU'VE DONE.
AND, UM, AND SO WE'RE ACTUALLY WANT TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD AND, AND COLLECT THAT, UM, IN SOME AREAS, UH, THAT ARE LESS CRITICAL, LIKE A WAY UP IN THE BASIN AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UM, WE ARE, ONCE WE GET STARTED AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THEM AGAIN, SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME DRAWINGS FROM THEM, AND THAT WE WOULDN'T MIND USING RECORD DRAWINGS FOR 'EM BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY A CONCERN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS UP THERE.
SO WE CAN USE LESS ACCURACY IN THAT REGION OF THE STUDY.
UM, LET ME GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
I THINK I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF, UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE EXAMPLES, UM, WHERE WE'RE GOING OUT AND IN THE FIELD MARCH OF, UH, 2000, UH, 22.
UH, WE GO THROUGH AND WE, WE LOOK AT ALL THE CHANNELS, WE VERIFY THE CONDITIONS.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS IN OUR MODELING IS, IS WHAT'S THE FRICTIONAL, UH, FACTORS.
SO WE, WE, WE VISUALIZE THE STREAM AND WE CAN DETERMINE THAT, UH, THROUGH DIFFERENT METHODS.
SO WE'RE COLLECTING ATTRIBUTES THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT INTO OUR MODELS.
UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE, UM, THE ACTUAL SURVEY SIZE OR, OR SHAPE OF IT.
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IT IS THAT THERE'S A STRUCTURE THERE.A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR CREWS ARE DOING, IS IDENTIFYING EVERYTHING.
SO WE KNOW WHEREVER THE STRUCTURES ARE AND WE KNOW IT HAS TO BE SURVEYED AND WHAT IS JUST MIGHT BE A PIPE JUST COMING IN FROM A SMALL DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED TO CERTIFY.
SO WE SEND OUR, OUR, UH, OUT TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING WE DID, UM, IS WE WENT, UM, LET ME JUST GO BACK ONE, WE WENT DOWN INTO YONKERS AND, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, IS IT CRESCENT POND? CRESCENT CREST, CRESTWOOD.
THAT IS GOING TO BE OUR ENDPOINT, UH, FOR TROUBLESOME, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA MEASURE IF WE DO HARM.
BASICALLY, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE WHOLE STUDY, WE'RE GONNA STUDY IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IF WE CHANGE THE, EITHER THE FLOW GOING INTO IT OR THE ELEVATIONS OF THAT LAKE AS, AS ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS OF WHETHER WE'RE CHANGING THINGS, WHETHER WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING MORE OR LESS FLOOD FOR YONKERS.
WHILE WE DO THE WORK HERE FOR YOU.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
SO YOU SAID, ARE YOU SAYING, IS THE, IS THE BROOK CALLED CRESTWOOD OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL VILLAGE OF CRESTWOOD OR CRESTWOOD? CRESTWOOD LAKE.
YEAH, CRESTWOOD LAKE IS, SAY IT'S DOWN, IT IS KIND OF OUR END POINT FOR THAT ONE.
MANHATTAN BROOK, IT'S, UM, IT'S BRONX RIVER, SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE BRONX RIVER.
AND IN YONKERS, SO WE DID ACTUALLY GO, AND OUR CREWS DID DO SOME QUICK MEASUREMENTS OF ALL THE STRUCTURES IN YONKERS, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT DETAIL.
WE JUST NEED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS ARE CONVEYED AND THAT WE'RE NOT CAUSING THINGS TO CHANGE WHEN WE DO THINGS UP HERE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE SITUATION NOW WITH CRESTWOOD LAKE? LIKE IS IT, DOES IT RISE AND FLOOD NOW, OR IT'S, IS IT LOW AND IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE FLOW, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DETERMINE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DETERMINE WITH THE OKAY.
AND, AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK, WE HAVE STARTED DOING SOME OF OUR INITIAL, UM, OUR INITIAL MODELING.
SO WE'VE BUILT THE INITIAL MODEL, BUT WE DO NEED THE SURVEY TO PUT INTO IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ACCURATE RESULTS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE FLOODING STICKING WITH CRESTWOOD LAKE.
UM, ARE YOU NOTING OBSTRUCTIONS AND SO FORTH THAT THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, IF IF THEY REMOVE OBSTRUCTIONS, THEY'LL GIVE YOU A BETTER WAY TO DETERMINE THAT.
NO, WELL, IF WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING WORK IN YONKERS AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT IN DETAIL, THEN IT WOULD BE CRITICAL.
BUT FOR US TODAY, IT'S JUST A ENDPOINT AND WE'LL GET A CONDITION IN OUR INITIAL MODEL.
SO IT'LL TELL US WHAT THE ELEVATION IS, IT'LL TELL US WHAT THE FLOW IS, AND OUR GOAL WILL BE WHATEVER WE DO IN GREENBURG, WE DON'T CHANGE THAT CONDITION IN YONKERS.
WELL, BUT IF THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND IN FUTURE THEY REMOVE THOSE OBSTRUCTIONS OR THE CULVERTS HAVEN'T BEEN CLEANED OUT HELPS AND THAT, WELL, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BECAUSE POTENTIALLY IT COULD CREATE A FLOODING SITUATION AT CRESTWOOD LAKE THAT THEN YONKERS WOULD LOOK TO GREENBERG AND SAY, SEE, YOU DID THIS.
SO WE, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU COULD, UM, WHY DON'T YOU JUST KEEP IT CLOSE TO YOU SO THAT YOU DON'T, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT INTERNALLY A BIT, UM, UH, ELLEN, AND IT'S, UM, IT'S REALLY A COMMUNICATION POINT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS STUDY AND WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH RICH AND BRIAN AND, AND OTHERS, THE SUPERVISOR AND OTHERS, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY.
I, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT JOE IS SAYING IS THIS STUDY DOES NOT INCLUDE STUDYING CRESTWOOD LAKE, RIGHT.
IT, IT CONSIDERS ARE WE HAVING ANY IMPACTS? AND TO YOUR POINT, IF WE'RE HAVING THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY, WE'LL UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE, IF THEY DO HAVE ISSUES WITH OBSTRUCTIONS, ARE THERE PLANS TO REMOVE SOME LARGE TREES OR OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS THAT MAY HAVE FALLEN INTO THE LAKE? UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S THROUGH THAT COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES, AND THAT WOULD OCCUR AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE MODEL.
AND I BELIEVE, ISN'T PAUL SOMERFIELD ON THE, UM, HE'S ALSO ON THAT, SO HE ON THE COMMITTEE YEAH, HE'S ALSO ON ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND I ALSO HAVE SPOKEN TO PAUL SEPARATELY AS WELL.
UM, AND SO YOU MAKE A REALLY GOOD POINT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T BRING THAT UP SPECIFICALLY, BUT HE SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE MODEL, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR OTHER ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
IT'S JUST A GOOD NEIGHBOR KIND OF.
WE, WE, CRESTWOOD LAKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO ENVISION, I KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BRONX RIVER, UH, RIVER IS, WHERE IS IT? IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RIVER? UM, WELL, WE CAN, DO YOU HAVE AN AERIAL THAT SHOWS YEAH, THIS IS WAY, YEAH, WE HAVE THAT NOW.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT STORE? WAS IT BYEBYE BABY ON CENTRAL AVENUE? LEFT HAND SIDE.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE KIDS RUSS, KIDS RUSS WAS IN BY CALIFORNIA.
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BUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT AREA, THIS MIGHT, ON THE YONKERS SIDE, THIS MIGHT SHOW THE, THE, THE LAKE IS, IS DOWN HERE.UM, OR THE RI, EXCUSE ME, THE RIVER IS DOWN HERE AT THE BORDER, AND THIS IS THE LAKE.
AND SO THIS IS OUR BASIN THAT WE'VE DELINEATED FROM THE LAKE.
SO EVERYTHING THAT DRAINS INTO THE LAKE IS INSIDE THIS RED LINE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, OUR FOCUS IS ON, ON THIS SIDE OF THE LINE, THE GREENBURG SIDE OF THE LINE.
BUT WE'LL DO, UM, BASICALLY VERY RUDIMENTARY STUDY THERE.
THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT IT'S HARD WITHOUT THE ACCURACY.
IT'S HARD TO SAY ANY DEFINITIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT YONKERS.
AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL.
WE JUST WANNA SAY WE UNDERSTAND THAT BASED ON OUR CONSERVATIVE LOOK AT IT, THIS IS THE CONDITION, RIGHT, WRONG, OR IN THIS IS THE CONDITION WE COME UP WITH.
AND WHEN WE MAKE A CHANGE UPSTREAM, WE DON'T CHANGE THAT CONDITION DOWNSTREAM.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS REALLY, IT'S MORE CONSERVATIVE.
AND WHEN I SAY CONSERVATIVE, I MEAN IT IS PROBABLY GONNA SHOW MORE FLOODING THAN, THAN MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE JUST, AS WE'RE ASSUMING SOME MINIMAL, UH, FACTORS FOR, FOR HOW THE WATER FLOWS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE WATER THAT GOES INTO TROUBLESOME BROOK AND MANHATTAN BROOK, UH, PARK BROOK ORIGINATES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? UM, NO.
I MEAN THE, UM, I MEAN, IT IS IN, IT IS WITHIN THIS BASIN.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS GREENBURG.
ALL THE WATER THAT YOU EXPERIENCE ORIGINATES IN GREENBURG, SO I'LL CORRECT THE GREENBURG WATERSHED.
SO THERE'S NOTHING UPSTREAM CONTRIBUTING TO THIS.
SO WHEN WE'RE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S NO ONE TO THE NORTH WHO SHOULD BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO WHAT? THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT, RIGHT? THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, PARTICULARLY WITH THE SAW MILL, UM, WHERE BABA COURT HAD NO TREATMENT WHATSOEVER, BUT NORTH OF GREENBURG AND SOUTH OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, THERE WERE IMPROVEMENTS MADE WITHOUT A CONCERN ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO BABA COURT AND HOMES WERE JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE.
RIGHT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS GOOD NEIGHBOR SHOULD BE, UH, APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD.
ALRIGHT, CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE, THESE ARE THE DETAILS, AND I WON'T GO INTO THEM, UH, TOO DEEPLY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE, BUT WE'VE BASICALLY DONE THE HYDROLOGY PART, WHICH IS HOW MUCH WATER SHOWS UP.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE DOING THE NEXT PART IS THE HYDRAULICS.
WHERE DOES ALL THAT WATER GO? HOW DOES IT FLOW? WHERE DOES IT MOVE? HOW DEEP DOES IT GET? UH, WE'RE USING A 25 YEAR DESIGNED, UH, STORM EVENT, UM, THAT I BELIEVE IS TYPICALLY HIGHER THAN, UM, WHAT THE CITY USES.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO A, A, WE GET A LITTLE BETTER FEEL THAT WAY.
IF WE'RE USING A LITTLE BIT MORE WATER, WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DELTAS AND THE, THE CHANGES ARE.
BUT WE WILL ALSO RUN THE OTHER STORM EVENTS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE TWO, FIVE AND 10 YEAR EVENT.
ALSO THE 50, 105 HUNDRED YEAR.
UM, LAST WEEK WE, UH, UH, WE HAD A MEETING, UM, IN ANOTHER SECTION OF MANN, AND PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINS NOT BEING, BEING DESIGNED FOR 25 YEAR STORMS WHEN WE NOW GET THEM LIKE EVERY OTHER WEEK.
THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR 25 YEAR, OURS ARE DESIGNED FOR 25, AND THE SEWER SYSTEMS ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR MORE THAN THAT.
SO IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GRADUALLY GO FROM 25 YEAR, UH, DRAINS TO DRAINS THAT COULD HANDLE SAY, A HUNDRED YEAR STORM OR, OR MORE.
I MEAN, WITH THAT, THAT INCLUDES THE PIPES TOO, RIGHT? NOT JUST, YEAH, AND IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE DEALING WITH ANOTHER COMMUNITY WHERE I GOT SOME VIDEO THAT ALL THE WATER IS RUNNING DOWN THE STREET ABOUT SIX INCHES DEEP, GOES DOWN TO AN INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF CATCH BASINS, AND IT GETS SUCKED INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND THEY WERE SAYING, HOW DO WE FIX THIS? AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S WORKING EXACTLY THE WAY WE DESIGNED IT, OR SOMEONE DESIGNED IT, UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA MAKE LESS WATER? SO WE'D HAVE TO PUT IN MORE PIPE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS A, A QUESTION OF COST AND HOW, WHAT CONDITION YOU ACTUALLY PRODUCTIVE.
THE OTHER THING IS, AND IT IT IS, WE DO TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF AN EVENT IT IS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ALL STATISTICS.
UH, THIS IS A BASED ON A 24 HOUR STORM.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU GET THAT EVENT, YOU DON'T SEE MUCH BECAUSE IT WAS DESIGNED FOR IT.
SO EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, NO ONE MENTIONS IT, BUT THEN WHEN WE GET TWO REALLY HIGH INTENSITY SHORT DURATION EVENTS AND EVERYTHING FLOODS LIKE
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LAST WEEK, RIGHT? THEN EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IS WE DIDN'T DESIGN IT FOR THAT.CAN I JUST ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? BECAUSE, AND I, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THIS UP TO RICH, UH, UH, EARLIER TODAY AND, UM, THIS WEEK WHEN WE WERE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT WAS A 25 YEAR DESIGN DRAINED.
AND I NOTICED ON HILLSIDE AVENUE WHERE WE'RE BUILDING A SIDEWALK, CONED IS DIGGING UNDERGROUND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE GEARS WORK.
AND THEN WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH, UM, A CONTRACTOR WHO'S GONNA BE DOING A SIDEWALK AND ALSO DRAINAGE.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE IF CON ED WOULD AGREE TO SAY A PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE DIGGING PRACTICALLY EVERY STREET IN, IN WESTCHESTER.
UM, IF THEY WOULD SAY, OKAY, WHEN YOU DIG, GET, DIG THE STREET, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PAY FOR THE DRAIN, UH, UH, A DRAIN REPLACEMENT EFFORT, WOULD THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE COULD PARTNER IN THIS WAY, YOU WON'T HAVE THE SECOND, THE EXTRA EXPENSE OF DIGGING AGAIN.
I MEAN, IS THAT A WAY OF, UH, SOLVING GRADUALLY? YEAH, ANTHONY, ANTHONY, ANTHONY.
THAT'S, THAT'S USUALLY A TI A TIMING ISSUE, RIGHT? BUT LET'S SAY, UM, SO, SO IN AN IDEAL SCENARIO, IT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HEAR THE TERM, OR IF YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM AT THE STATE LEVEL, COMPLETE STREETS, IT'S ALL ABOUT LOOKING AT THINGS MORE HOLISTICALLY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, HEY, WE HAVE TO REPAVE, BUT ARE THERE CAPITAL PLANS INVOLVED TO REPLACE SOME PIPES OR DO SOME OTHER BURIED INFRASTRUCTURE WORK? IF THERE IS, LET'S COORDINATE THAT SO WE DON'T PAVE, AND THEN WE'RE THERE IN SIX MONTHS AND WE'RE RIPPING EVERYTHING UP AGAIN.
SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, AS IT TYPICALLY DOES TO TIMING, AND IF THERE ARE THOSE KINDS OF THOUGHTS, IT'S THE COORDINATION WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY, UH, ON A PARALLEL PATH TO STUDIES LIKE THIS TO UNDERSTAND, WELL, WHEN WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED ON WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO DO WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW DOES THAT ALIGN WITH, LET'S USE CONED AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, HOW DOES THAT ALIGN WITH CON ED'S PLANS AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE? AND CAN WE WORK WITH CONED? AND MAYBE THEY HOLD OFF ON DOING THOSE STREETS BECAUSE YOU'LL BE READY IN A FEW MONTHS WITH THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
SO AGAIN, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO TIMING.
BUT THAT'S A WAY, LIKE, SAY OLD EDGEMONT, THE, ALL THE, THE DRAINS ARE WHAT NOT, THEY'RE ANTIQUATED, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
THEY ALL HAVE TO BE, INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE REPLACED.
SO THE THING IS, IF ED'S GONNA BE DOING ALL THESE STREETS AND THEY BASICALLY THEN COORDINATE WITH US, WE CAN MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN.
BECAUSE JUST LIKE WE DID WITH SIDEWALKS EVERY YEAR, WE COULD DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DRAIN, YOU KNOW, REBUILDING DRAINS THAT COULD, UM, LAST, IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST THE DRAINS, IT'S THE PIPES.
AND YOU REALLY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A HOLISTIC IDEA.
YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, FIX THE PIPES IN THIS ONE AREA, BUT THE PIPES THAT FEED THEM ARE OUTDATED, BROKEN, TOO SMALL.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT BROADER VIEW.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO ASPIRE TO, I THINK.
WHAT WE WOULD ADVISE IS WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A STUDY LIKE THIS AND YOU COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? AND ULTIMATELY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND AND UNDERSTANDING OR AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE, WE ALL AGREE THEN THAT IS USED TO HELP INFORM FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO ONCE YOU HAVE THIS INFORMATION FOR THESE SPECIFIC AREAS, NOW, RIGHT? SO WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROPORTIONS OF THE TOWN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT WITH RESPECT TO THESE STUDY AREAS, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WHAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE, YOU USE THAT TO INFORM THE CAPITAL PLANS.
AND THOSE CAPITAL PLANS HAVE, HAVE A SCHEDULE, AN IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE THAT YOU THEN WORK WITH A UTILITY COMPANY, WHOEVER, TO SEE IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK YOU FIRST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND HAVE THAT INFORMATION, EXCUSE ME, AND HAVE I SAY A CAPITAL PLAN, A MASTER PLAN, WHAT WHATEVER YOU PREFER, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND, JUST HAVE A PLAN AS TO HOW YOU'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND THE TIMING OF IT.
WHAT ARE THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS TO DO THAT? AND THAT'LL DICTATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOUR SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.
WE'VE DIVERTED A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST A QUICK QUESTION, APROPOS OF THE SUPERVISORS QUERY, UM, HAVE, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU FOUND CON ED TO BE COLLABORATIVE IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING ALONG THOSE LINES, UH, ON A COMPLETE STREETS KIND OF FORMAT IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? WE, WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR AROUND STORM, UH, STORM HARDENING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES AND, UH, BURYING, UH, LINES.
AND, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT INEXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN A COST SHARING SCENARIO, UH, IT IS NOT INEXPENSIVE.
THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING COMBINED WITH YOURS.
SO, UH, CERTAINLY I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AS YOU CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS STUDY AND, AND NOT TOTALLY
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DISCARD IT, BUT IT, IT'S A POSSIBILITY.SO THAT'S ALL GOTTA BE DESIGNED.
AND THERE IS A PROCESS, AND WE DO WORK WITH CONED.
SO EACH YEAR WE SEND THEM THE LISTS OF THE ROADS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PAVING OR WORKING ON.
AND WE HAVE BEEN, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, ACTUALLY COMPETE DOING COMPLETE STREETS.
I THINK JUDITH'S AREA WAS JUST FINISHED, WHERE WE COME AND WE LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE, IF THERE'S FAILING PIPES YEAH.
OUTSIDE AVENUE, WE FIX IT, WE PUT THE CURBS IN, AND THEN WE COME PAVE IT.
UNLIKE TOM HAWK AND, UM, LEATHER STOCKING WHERE WE DID IT, THEY WERE INFORMED, AND THEN THEY CAME AND BLEW IT UP ANYWAY.
SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK.
HOPEFULLY, MOST OF THE TIMES IT DOES.
I I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE WE COULD STAY FOCUSED ON STORMWATER.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN WIRES IS EASY, RIGHT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN INCREASE THE GAUGE OF WIRES IN ONE AREA OF TOWN.
IT HAS NO EFFECT ON ANYBODY ELSE.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS WE CAN'T JUST START GOING IN AND PUTTING IN PIPES FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM IN SOME AREAS.
IF YOU PUT THAT UPSTREAM, AND THOSE PIPES ARE A HUNDRED YEARS, AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE GONNA HIT THE 25 YEAR, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SERIOUSLY AFFECTED.
RIGHT? IN A PERFECT WORLD, MY POINT, YOU KNOW, CLICK YOUR HEELS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
YOU START DOWNSTREAM, YOU PUT IN THE BIGGER PIPES, AND IT IS PROVIDED, IT'S BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO, UH, YONKERS, WHICH HAS 25 YEAR STORM PIPES AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY UP THE LINE THAT TAKES AN UNBELIEVABLE COORDINATION AND PROBABLY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND YOU WANNA LOOK AT A TAX INCREASE.
SO IT, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT BY, UH, MAKING SURE, FIRST OF ALL, OUR PIPES DON'T COLLAPSE.
SECONDLY, IMPROVE THEM WHERE WE CAN.
UM, AND THIRDLY, SEE IF THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF ADDRESSING THE, THE WATER BY DETENTION OR RETENTION, UH, SO THAT OUR PIPES CAN HANDLE IT.
AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I MEAN, AS PART OF THIS STUDY HERE, WHEN, WHEN YOU START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, THERE IS A PROCESS WHERE THERE IS THAT PRIORITIZATION, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? THERE'S A PRIORITIZATION OF, WELL, WHAT PROJECTS SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE OTHERS? BUT WHAT, WHAT JOE IS GOING TO, UH, GET INTO A LITTLE BIT IS THE, THE REAL VALUE OF BUILDING THIS MODEL, RIGHT? LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF, UM, AN INVESTMENT THAT'S MADE UP FRONT TO HAVE THIS MODEL WHERE YOU THEN CAN LOOK AT MANY, MANY, MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
HEY, IF WE GO AND PUT IN, UH, YOU KNOW, PIPES THAT ARE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT CAPACITY UPSTREAM IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU PUT THAT INTO THE MODEL, WHAT DOES THAT DO DOWNSTREAM? IT, IT BECOMES VERY, VERY, VERY EFFICIENT AFTER THE MODEL IS BUILT.
AND, AND JOE WILL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND I, I, THAT'S A GOOD TRANSITION POINT RIGHT HERE.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR MODEL, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ONE D AND TWO D ONE DIMENSIONAL AND TWO DIMENSIONAL.
AND THE ONE DIMENSIONAL PART ARE ALL THE PIPES AND ALL THE DITCHES AND ALL THE LINES THAT WATER FLOWS AND FOLLOWS.
AND SO WE MODEL THOSE IN COMBINATION WITH A TWO DIMENSIONAL MODEL, WHICH IS THE SURFACE WATER MODEL.
AND WE GET, WE DO THIS STUDY ON A BASIN WIDE, UH, BASIS.
SO WE GET AN ANSWER FOR ALL IMPACTS TO ANYTHING WE CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BASIN.
SO EVERY TIME WE PUSH GO, WE GET AN ANSWER FOR THE ENTIRE BASIN OF WHAT THE WATER SURFACE ELEVATION IS, THE MAXIMUM AT ANY POINT IN THE BASIN.
AND WHEN WE MAKE A CHANGE, WE RUN IT AGAIN AND WE GET ANOTHER RESULT THAT SHOWS US THAT.
AND WE'LL SHOW, UM, I THINK ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE INITIAL RUNS, UM, THAT WE'VE DONE ON TROUBLESOME.
AND, UM, AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ARE DEPTH GRIDS.
SO THESE ARE DEPTH OF WATERS BASED ON RAINFALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, UH, WATERSHED ALL AT ONCE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY EASY TO READ.
CAN'T QUITE PICK OUT THINGS, BUT WE CAN SEE WHERE THE WATER STARTS POOLING.
WE CAN ALSO SEE, UM, WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF G I S DATA, SO WE DROPPED THAT IN.
AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME PIPES, UH, ON THE GREENBERG SIDE, BUT ON THE YONKERS SIDE, WE DON'T.
AND AS YOU SEE, THERE'S A LOT MORE SURFACE WATER, UH, JUST HANGING OUT THERE.
AND AGAIN, THAT GOES TO THAT ACCURACY.
UM, AND SO THE, THE, THE HUGE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS THAT WE CAN DECIDE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT STORAGE OVER HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE ROOM.
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO US? WE CAN PUT THAT STORAGE IN, IT CAN OPERATE, AND WE CAN SEE THE IMPACTS ON THE ENTIRE WATERSHED.
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DOES THAT IMPROVE? DOES NOT NOT IMPROVE, ESPECIALLY IN DEVELOPED AREAS.A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT STORAGE, WE'RE LOOKING AT CUMULATIVE STORAGE, WE'RE FINDING SEVERAL PLACES TO PUT STORAGE IN AND PUTTING IT IN THERE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE HUGE POND OR ONE BIG LAKE.
SOLARS JUST, WE, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THAT.
UM, THE OTHER BIG THING WE LOOK AT IS, UH, PIPES.
AND IF, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THE PIPES CONNECTED? AND SO WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THE WATER FLOWING THROUGH? A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN REDUCE FLOOD LEVELS BY CHANGING THE TIMING, EITHER SLOWING SOME WATER DOWN WITH STORAGE OR SPEEDING SOME WATER UP WITH A MORE DIRECT LARGER PIPE.
AND SO WE CAN GET THAT TO RUN THROUGH THE SYSTEM QUICKER.
UM, THEN WE CAN IMPROVE, WE CAN REDUCE THE FLOODING.
BUT THE BIG THING IS WE DO IT ON A, WE DO IT ON A BASIN WIDE, UM, SCALE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT EVERY POINT.
AND REALLY THE TECH, THESE, THESE MODELS ARE NOT NEW, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY IS FINALLY THERE WHERE WE CAN DO IT ON A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE MODELS, UM, THIS ONE HERE WAS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR HOURS RUNNING ON A, ON A, A PRETTY GOOD COMPUTER.
UM, AND, UM, SO THEY, THEY DO TAKE TIME TO RUN, BUT THEY'RE VERY VALUABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY, WE'VE DONE A, A, ANOTHER FLOOD STUDY.
UH, WE IMPROVE THE, THE, THE FLOODING THERE CONSIDERABLY.
IT HASN'T BEEN REDUCED, BUT IT'S BEEN, I MEAN, IT HASN'T BEEN ELIMINATED, BUT IT'S BEEN CONSIDERABLY REDUCED.
BUT WE'VE ALSO, SINCE THEN, WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE PROJECTS.
UM, SEWER SEPARATION IS OUR LATEST ONE WHERE THEY HAVE A STREET, THEY WANNA DO A SEWER EP ON IT.
THEY WANNA UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE FLOODING THAT COMES AS A RESULT OF THAT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT IN OUT IN A DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
WELL, TYPICALLY THAT'S A WHOLE NEW STUDY WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DESIGN THAT YOU CAN'T EVER GET RID OF, THAT'S A WHOLE NEW STUDY.
INSTEAD, WE JUST ADD IT TO THIS MODEL, IT TAKES OUR ENGINEERS LESS THAN A WEEK.
YOU, UH, YOU RUN IT AND YOU'RE DONE.
UM, AND INSTEAD OF BECOMING ITS OWN PROJECT AND ITS OWN STUDY, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, THE BIGGEST REASONS WE'RE WE'VE SUGGESTED THIS AND, AND GONE WITH THIS FOR YOUR STUDY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TROUBLESOME CREEK, IT, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE FOREVER.
AND, AND THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA UNDERSTAND IT THE BEST.
SO CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
BECAUSE RICH AND I GET, UH, CALLS FROM SOME PEOPLE LIKE EVERY COUPLE HOURS, UH, UM, NEAR TROUBLESOME, BROOKE.
SO WE, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE JUST WANT A NEW PIPE, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT A NEW PIPE AND IT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
FROM WHAT I HEAR, LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND IT.
IF WE FIX A PIPE, ONE PIPE, IT COULD HAVE IMPACTS AND CREATE FLOODING IN ANOTHER AREA.
SO WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS MODEL IS GONNA DO IS IF WE, IT WILL SHOW US IF WE FIX A PIPE HERE, THEN WHAT'S THE IMPACT GONNA BE TO THE REST OF THE TOWN? SURE.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS JUST SAY, CLARENDON ROAD OR CLARENDON PLACE.
WE HAVE TO SAY, WHAT IS IT GOING TO, HOW IS IT GONNA IMPACT ALL CENTRAL AVENUE OR ALL THE OTHER, UM, IS THAT, SO DID I BASICALLY PASS THAT TESTIMONY? IT WILL, IT WILL, WE CAN SAY WHAT HAPPENS IF WE ADD A PIPE AND WE CAN ADD THAT PIPE TO TARGET THAT LOCATION, BUT THEN THIS MODEL IS GONNA HELP YOU.
BUT, BUT THEN IT WILL ALSO HELP US UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL THE OTHER IMPACTS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE NOT LIMITING THIS STUDY TO ONE LOCAL AREA, RIGHT? YOU MAY BE MISSING THE BOAT ON POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS IN OTHER PORTIONS OF THE BASIN, RIGHT? WELL, LIKE LAST WEEK, SOMEBODY CALLED ME, YOU KNOW, FROM TROUBLESOME BROOK, AND THEY SAID, GET OVER HERE RIGHT NOW AND FIX THE PIPE BECAUSE THE PIPE WAS, THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
IF IT'S A COLLAPSED PIPE, IT'S A COLLAPSED PIPE OR, OR REPLACE THE PIPE, YOU NOT REPLACE THE PIPE.
I THINK IT WAS, SO THE ISSUE REALLY IS YOU CAN'T REALLY DO IT UNTIL YOU HAVE THE WHOLE GENERAL ANALYSIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF IT'S REPLACEMENT IN KIND AND IT'S THE SAME EXACT SIZE PIPE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WELL THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF THEY'RE SAY, NO, PUT A BIGGER PIPE HERE, WELL THEN WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
AND, AND IT IS, IT REALLY IS COMING.
THERE IS A REAL BIG PUSH ABOUT LOOKING AT DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS, THE, THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO LOOK AT DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY IF YOU, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE USING A LESSER MODEL, UM, OR A LESSER ANALYSIS, YOU'RE JUST DOING IT ON A SPREADSHEET OR, OR, OR LIKE WHEN D O T DOES DESIGNS, THEY'RE JUST, THEY, THEY PUT OUT A SPREADSHEET, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T POP OUT OF THEIR CATCH BASINS.
THEY'RE A LOT OF TIMES NOT LOOKING AT WHAT COMES OUT OF THE PIPE MM-HMM.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOW SEEING IT FROM THE COUNTY HERE.
UM, THERE'S A GUIDANCE FOR FEMA, UH, LIKE IF ANYBODY, UH, GETS PUBLIC ASSISTANCE TO REPLACE A CULVERT THAT WAS WASHED OUT RECENTLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A DOWNSTREAM ANALYSIS NOW BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS BEING, IS BEING PUSHED TODAY,
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UM, SO THAT THE PEOPLE AREN'T FLOODING OTHER PEOPLE.UH, SO, UH, GOING BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A, UH, A RUN FOR TROUBLESOME CREEK, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE NEED TO START MAKING STATEMENTS ABOUT IT OR START LOOKING AT, AT FLOOD RESULTS.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE, UH, FOR MANHATTAN PARK BROOK.
UM, AND IN THIS ONE, THERE'S NO DETAIL.
SO REALLY ALSO, I'M SHOWING YOU, I'M SHOWING YOU THE MODEL, BUT I'M ALSO SHOWING YOU THAT WITHOUT THE PIPES AND WITHOUT THE STREAMS, IT GETS A LOT, UH, A LOT LESS VALUABLE.
AND THIS IS KIND OF OUR POINT THAT WE, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO COLLECT SOME MORE DATA AND, AND GET ALL THAT DATA PUT INTO THE MODEL SO WE CAN, LAST WEEK, UH, THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY MET WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING, UH, FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING THERE AND, UM, CREATING, YOU KNOW, NEW HOUSING AND ADDING 60 UNITS ON TOP OF THE 131.
AND THE POINT WAS RAISED, YOU KNOW, HOW IS DEVELOPMENT GONNA IMPACT, YOU KNOW, FLOODING? SO WOULD THIS MODEL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HELP THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, AND THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT IS FEASIBLE.
THERE'S A TRIBUTARY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT'S A TRIBUTARY OF THAT RUNS RIGHT BY BEHIND THAT PROPERTY.
IT, IT, IT CAN, UM, THERE ARE, UM, AND I, I WANNA REMEMBER THE RIGHT TERM, BUT THERE ARE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE GONE AWAY FROM JUST TELLING PEOPLE TO PUT DETENTION AND HAVE GONE WITH A LIVING MODEL.
AND IF YOU WANT TO DO DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT IN THERE AND THEN SEE HOW EVERYONE ELSE IS IMPACTED.
IT'S ACTUALLY DONE IN MORE OF A ONE D SCENARIO TYPICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH SIMPLER MODEL.
UM, BUT IT DOES WORK FOR, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO REQUIRE DETENTION OR NOT, BECAUSE OFTEN IT'S BETTER TO NOT HAVE DETENTION.
SO YOU CAN GET THE WATER OUT QUICK.
SO YOU'RE NOT BUILDING UP FLOWS OF WATER.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY MAYBE OVERKILL FOR THAT.
IT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD MODEL FOR THE CITY TO USE WHEN THE CITY'S TRYING TO PLAN PROJECTS OR DO INFRASTRUCTURE TOWN YOU MEAN? OH, SORRY.
UM, JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT NEW YORK CITY.
WHERE IS HE GOING WITH THIS? UM, SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY GOOD FOR, FOR PLANNING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE EASIER WAYS TO, TO DO THAT.
BUT YOU COULD USE IT AS A LIVING MODEL AND PUT EVERYTHING THROUGH IT AND IT WILL GIVE YOU THE RESULTS.
UM, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A ONE D MODEL.
WELL, ONE D JUST MEANS THAT THE WATER ONLY MOVES ON A DEFINED PATH, SO IN ONE DIRECTION OR, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW THE WATER GETS IN THERE.
WELL, TYPICALLY, MOST MODELS THAT ARE, UM, LIKE HECK, H M S OR HYDRO CAD, YOU'RE BASICALLY DEFINING HOW THE WATER MOVES AND WHERE IT GOES IN A TWO DIMENSIONAL MODEL, YOU'RE ALLOWING THE TERRAIN TO DECIDE WHERE THE WATER GOES.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRAW ALL THOSE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS FLOOD, WHICH IS, YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S REAL LIFE, RIGHT? BECAUSE NEXT TO THE HOUSING PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED, THE WATER IS GOING TO COME FROM TERRAIN INTO WHAT THEY'RE CALLING WATERCOURSE BROOK.
'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T, 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND A NAME FOR IT, SO THEY JUST NAMED IT WATERCOURSE BROOK.
UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS WOULD THERE BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER ADDED TO THAT BROOK, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A TOWN PROPERTY.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW THAT SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE MITIGATION FACTORS ARE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT BUILT, PEOPLE GET FLOODED AND THEN THEY SAY, WHY DID YOU LET US BUILD IT? SO WILL WILL THAT BE PART OF THIS MODEL? I MEAN, YOU COULD USE IT FOR THAT, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS DO PRE AND POST.
SO YOU REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH RUN WATER'S RUNNING OFF TODAY AND HOW MUCH WILL IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN YOU'RE REQUIRING THEM TO DETAIN IT SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT RUNS OFF IN THE FUTURE.
ANOTHER LAST WEEK THERE WAS SOMEBODY ALSO IN EDGEMONT, AND THERE'S A SINGLE HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT AND ON TOP OF THE HILL, HE LIVES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL AND HIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, BACKYARD AND A LOT OF THE PROPERTY IN HIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, GOT FLOODED.
YOU KNOW, I WENT WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, UM, SO IN THE FUTURE SHOULD SAY THE PLANNING BOARD AND UH, SAY THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEERS REQUIRE IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S PROPER, IF HOUSE IS BEING PROPOSED, SAY ON A, A STEEP HILL, YOU KNOW, TO
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BASICALLY DO A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS TO, SO WE COULD REALLY DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GONNA BE FLOODING IMPACTS.BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE A REALLY BIG YOU, I MEAN, HE WAS DEVASTATED BECAUSE HE'S LOST A LOT.
SOMETIMES THE ISSUE IT, WE, WE MAY HAVE REQUIRED THAT, BUT THE CONTRACTORS OFTEN NO, BUT I'M SAYING AND THEN CREATE THAT CREATES THE PROBLEM.
IF IT WASN'T BILL, I'M SAYING GOING, GOING, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING BACKWARDS.
I'M SAYING GOING FORWARD, SHOULD THE TOWN BE CREATING A NEW MODEL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF EVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, WHERE WE'RE REQUIRING A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, FLOOD, UH, ANALYSIS.
WELL, WE, SO IF I COULD FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO I JUST WANT TO, UM, CLARIFY.
SO THE, UNDER THE CURRENT TOWN CODE CHAPTER 2 48, RIGHT, IS OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LAW, RIGHT? SO FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S A PROPOSED ADDITION, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, THAT STORMWATER CODE.
SO UNDERNEATH THAT CODE OR THAT LAW, UM, ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA OR SURFACE.
SO WHETHER IT'S A NEW DRIVEWAY, A NEW ROOF, A NEW ADDITION TO A HOUSE, THAT ALL HAS TO BE MANAGED ON SITE.
SO THERE CAN'T BE ANY INCREASE IN RUNOFF OFF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S HANDLED ON A, ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS FROM, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, REALLY WHAT THIS MODEL IS, IS DESIGNED FOR, IS FOR HANDLING THE STORMWATER THAT'S BEING CAPTURED ON THE PUBLIC ROADS, RIGHT? AND ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BLUE AREA THAT YOU SEE THERE IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE THE WATERSHED AREA.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S THE AREA BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE EXISTING TERRAIN, THE WATER THAT'S DRAINING INTO THESE CREEKS OR THESE BASINS AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S STRAINING INTO.
AND SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY, UM, SHORTLY AFTER HURRICANE IDA, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THIS 'CAUSE I, I SAW IT FIRSTHAND, THE OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD, UH, PARK IS THE ONE THAT ENDED UP GETTING FLOODED OUT AND ACTUALLY GOT FLOOD OUT TWICE IN THE MATTER OF A THREE WEEK SPAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE BASKETBALL COURT KIND OF GOT WASHED AWAY.
AND A LOT OF THE, THE PARK STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE BASE UNDERNEATH IT KIND OF GOT WASHED AWAY.
UM, AND SO TO ADDRESS THAT AND TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION, THAT AREA IS WITHIN THIS WATERSHED AREA OF THE MANHATTAN PARK BROOK.
SO AT LEAST WHAT THIS MODEL WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US IS ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE, HOW THOSE IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT IMPACT THAT, THAT PARK AREA, IF YOU WILL, UNDER THAT CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, THAT CHECK 2 48, THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CODE, THAT CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT ANY NEW, UM, DEVELOPMENT COMPLY WITH THE 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN CODE IS.
NOW, IF THE DISCUSSION HAS TO BE FOR A LARGER STORM EVENT, THAT'S, THAT'S GOTTA BE PART OF I THINK A LARGER DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE CODE AS OF RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IS, IS IT 25 YEARS? BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, MAYBE WE COULD BE LOOKING AT WHETHER 25 YEAR, YOU KNOW, PLANS IS, IS INADEQUATE BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THE 25.
WE, WE, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET MORE THAN 25 YEAR STORMS. I GUESS THE PROBLEM IS, IS I THINK MAYBE IT WAS FRANCIS WHO MENTIONED EARLIER, WE START PUTTING IN PIPES FOR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODS, THEN EVENTUALLY, PROBABLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE AS WE KEEP GETTING THEM, THEY'RE GONNA HIT, YOU KNOW, YONKERS OR WHEREVER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BACK UP, BACK INTO GREENBURG BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, THE A HUNDRED YEAR PIPES AREN'T GONNA BE 25 YEAR PIPES AND YONKERS AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE A HUNDRED YEAR PIPES COMING FROM GREENBURG.
BUT MAYBE, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A SOLUTION.
BUT MAYBE WE'RE WE, I'M SAYING MAYBE WE COULD WORK WITH, LIKE WITH, IF YOU HAVE THE MODEL AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME UP WITH EVEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR A, A, A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GIVE US ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD REQUIRE SOMETHING ELSE.
SO MAYBE WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE CODE, BECAUSE AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW COME YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW COME MAY, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? UM, LET'S LIKE NOTE OUR QUESTIONS SO THAT WOULD IT INCUR AND CAN FINISH THEIR PRESENTATION SINCE WE'RE SO LIMITED IN TIME TONIGHT.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE TIME, WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OR WE CAN ASK THEM BACK, OR WE CAN WRITE TO THEM FOR, I THINK WE'RE HERE FOR THE BIG PICTURE AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUAL PARCELS.
WE'LL DEAL WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS, BUT THAT'LL BE BASED ON AN ANALYSIS OF THE BIG PICTURE.
THEY JUST, PEOPLE JUST KEEP YELLING AT EVEN COMPLAINING AND SAYING, HOW COME MY HOUSE IS GETTING, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CALLING BASED ON THE REACTIONS THAT I GET FROM, FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE UPSET.
THE, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A, THIS
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IS A VERY GOOD MODEL.ONE OF THE CHALLENGES MIGHT BE FOR A SINGLE HOME IS THE GRANULARITY OF THAT SINGLE HOME AND THE UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, SLOPE WHERE THE WATER'S COMING OUT AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
NOT THAT THIS WON'T SHOW YOU THAT WE CAN GET DOWN TO ALMOST SEVEN SQUARE FEET IS USUALLY OUR SMALLEST SIZE OF THE CELL WE WORK WITH, BUT THE, UM, BUT IT MIGHT BE OVERKILL FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THERE.
IT MIGHT BE BETTER WAYS, MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO DO, TO DO THAT TYPE OF WORK.
UM, SO, SO MOVING THROUGH THIS, UM, I THINK THE, THE NEXT PART, UH, THE NEXT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WAS THE, THE FUNDING REQUEST.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, REQUEST WE PUT INTO THE STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, AND THAT WAS APPROVED ON, UH, MAY 19TH OF, UH, 2022.
IT WAS TO FUND BOTH STUDIES, UH, THE DATA ACQUISITION, WHICH IS THE SURVEY, UM, AND, AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A 50% MATCH.
SO THAT, THAT PROCESS WE DID, WE DID GO TO THE COUNTY, UH, COMMITTEE MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, AND THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE DONE AS, AS KIND OF PART OF THIS STUDY, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORTED, WE, WE CAME AND, UH, CAME UP HERE AND, AND TALKED TO RICH AND, AND THE, UM, THE TEAM DOING THE REWORK TO, TO TROUBLESOME BROOKE AND ALSO GOT THE INFORMATION, UM, UM, FROM THE, UH, C CT T V THAT WAS DONE AND ALL THE CLEANING THAT WAS DONE.
THAT WAS SOME GREAT INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS ONLY BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER TIME, BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO SAY, YES, WE WANNA DO THIS NOW, BUT THESE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT COULD BE, COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, OF COURSE, UH, DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS THE BIG ONE THAT ALWAYS COMES UP.
OKAY, WELL IF WE REPLACE THE PIPE, IF WE MAKE THE PIPE BIGGER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STORE SOME WATER SOMEWHERE.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT.
THERE'S, UH, ON FOUNTAIN LANE, UM, THERE'S A LARGE HOLE, UH, JUST TO THE, UH, SIDE OF CENTRAL AVE, UM, THAT COULD BE CONVERTED INTO STORAGE, WOULD STORE A GOOD AMOUNT OF WATER.
THAT WOULD HELP IF, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS MOVE FLOODING FROM AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE LIVE TO AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE DON'T LIVE OR, OR, UH, UH, WON'T IMPACT STRUCTURES.
UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME REASONS WE MIGHT WANNA DO SOME WORK ON THAT PIPE.
UH, ONE IS THE BIG SAG THAT'S IN IT.
UM, SO IT, IT DOESN'T TOTALLY DRAIN AND IT DOES, UM, SOME FLOW, UM, AND CONVEYANCE THROUGH IT.
AND THEN ALSO IT'S SHOWING ITS AGE.
THERE'S SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
DOESN'T MEAN THE WHOLE PIPE WOULD BE REPLACED, DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS YET, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY AN OPTION AND SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT AND SOMETHING THAT OUR MODEL COULD FEED US BACK.
AND DID YOU HAVE ESTIMATES ON THE COSTS? NO, NOT AT ALL.
AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS THAT, JUST THINKING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE BOX IS MAYBE WE USE THAT STORAGE UNIT, BUT WITH PLANS TO ONCE IT BECOMES MORE OF A UNIVERSAL REPLACEMENT OF THE PIPE SO THAT IT IS CONSISTENT TO RE DIVERT IT BACK TO THAT, UM, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO THAT'S JUST, IT'S, IT IS A MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION OVER THE LONG TERM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, IT'S NOT THAT ONE SOLUTION IS SOLVING ALL THE PROBLEMS. IT'S, IT'S VERY CUMULATIVE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.
AND IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF, OF, OF ANY OF THESE COMBINED THAT COULD HELP, UH, SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. AND THE COST IS MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR SURE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO SHARPEN OUR PENCILS AND GET READY FOR THE, UM, FOR, FOR THE BOND, THE ENVIRONMENTAL BOND ACT MONIES, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S FOR THE WHOLE STATE, BUT THEY DID PUT IN A LOT OF MONEY FOR FLOODING.
WE, WE DO HAVE LAURA TESSIER, OUR, OUR GRANT FUNDING MANAGER.
UH, KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS FOR THE TOWN AND SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
EARMARK FUNDING COULD ALSO BE A POSSIBILITY.
SO WE WOULD, UM, I BELIEVE I SENT THAT OVER TO THE TOWN.
UH, BUT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE AND WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE OFFLINE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO START THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AT THE STATE LEVEL, UH, TO BEST POSITION AND FEDERAL, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRU INFRASTRUCTURE MONIES.
ONE THING, SORRY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ONE THING, UM, JUST TO POINT OUT, AND JOE, IF YOU COULD JUST GO BACK TO THE PRIOR SLIDE.
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IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT.SO THAT'S, UM, AN ATLAS MAP, I BELIEVE THAT'S FROM 1930.
AND, UM, THAT'S A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHERE THE TROUBLESOME BROOK IS.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY AN OPEN, ENTIRELY OPEN WATERCOURSE, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SHOWN THAT WAY, HOW IT KIND OF MEANDERS, UM, ALONG THE, UH, THE ROAD THERE.
OBVIOUSLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MAJOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
AND A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
AND SO NOW IT'S A, A MIXTURE OF OPEN WATERCOURSE AS WELL AS PORTIONS OF THE BROOK THAT ARE NOW PIPED OR ENCLOSED.
AND SO COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'S KIND OF PART ONE OR PHASE ONE, BUT THAT ALSO REQUIRES OR MAY REQUIRE, UM, OBTAINING PROPER EASEMENTS, OBTAINING PERMISSIONS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS.
'CAUSE A GOOD PORTION OF THIS WATERCOURSE GOES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE EASEMENTS FOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN JUST NECESSARILY GO IN AND INSTALL A LARGER PIPE WITHOUT GETTING THE PERMISSIONS FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ONCE THAT TIME COMES.
AND JUST, SO, UH, JUST SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE NOW.
SO WE HAVE AN R F P BASICALLY TEED UP, READY TO GO REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
LET'S, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT INSIDE BASEBALL
WE, THE BONDING FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS IS GONNA BE DONE SOON, AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE FUNDING FOR THIS WORK IN MID-OCTOBER.
AT WHICH POINT, IF THE BOARD APPROVES OF THE PROPOSALS WE PUT FORTH, WE WOULD THEN GO FORWARD WITH THE SURVEYING, WOULD IT INCUR? WE'D GET THAT INFORMATION, PLUG IT INTO THEIR MODEL, AND THEN MOVE ON FROM THERE.
SO WE ARE ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET THE FUNDING, BUT WE ARE READY TO TAKE ACTION ON THE NEXT STEP.
SO THAT'S COUNTY AS WELL AS TOWN OR JUST TOWN? RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST TOWN.
BUT WE'LL TAKE THE COUNTY HELP ALSO.
UH, OTHER POSSIBLE, UM, SOLUTIONS AND, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD MAKE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF STORAGE.
AND AGAIN, TYPICALLY IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS, WE'RE LOOKING FOR STORAGE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THE TWO PICTURES ON THE LEFT HERE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE PRE TROUBLESOME BROOK, AND THEN, UH, THE END OF MANHATTAN, UM, PARK BROOK ALL THE WAY DOWN BY THE BRONX RIVER.
SO IT'S ALREADY, THAT AREA IS ALREADY DESIGNED TO HOLD A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER, CONVEY A LOT OF WATER.
UH, BUT THESE ARE JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS YOU COULD DO.
I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY WORKED ON TROUBLESOME BROOK THERE, BUT THESE WERE EXAMPLES OF THINGS YOU COULD DO.
UH, THE CENTER PICTURE, THAT'S MY BACKYARD AND, UH, MY DETENTION POND.
AND UNDER THAT WATER IS A LOT OF GREEN GRASS EXCEPT WHERE THE WEEDS ARE.
AND I, I PULL THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A, A PLACE THAT, THAT STORAGE WAS ADDED AND IT ADDS TO THE WHOLE SYSTEM, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S NOT STORAGE, IT'S, IT'S A YARD.
UM, AND SO PEOPLE PLAY ON IT, WE RECREATE ON IT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SO DON'T ALWAYS THINK OF STORAGE AS A DEDICATED POND OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, TO THE RIGHT IS A, UH, UNDERGROUND STORAGE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED TO BE PUT IN UNDER PARKING LOTS.
YOU CLOSE IT UP, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE USED, UH, BUT THEY BECOME VERY EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO JUST, UH, MOVING A LITTLE BIT OF DIRT AROUND.
UM, SO THESE ARE ALL EXAMPLES.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, AGAIN, WE'LL PUT THESE STORAGE AREAS IN OUR MODEL.
WE'LL LITERALLY JUST CHANGE THE TERRAIN SO IT, IT STORES WATER AND UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THEM.
UH, BUT WE DO EXPECT THAT IF WE DID ANY STORAGE, WE'D HAVE TO SPREAD IT OUT.
THERE'S JUST NOT ONE BIG AREA TO PUT IN.
UM, THE OTHER THING WHICH THE STORAGE SYSTEM VERY EXPENSIVE.
UH, IT DEPENDS HOW YOU MAKE IT.
IF YOU, IF YOU JUST MOVED DIRT AROUND, IT'S REASONABLY PRICED.
I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE, UH, LIKE TRENCHING PROJECTS, LARGE, MAYBE WE'LL CALL THEM LARGE CHANNELS FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU PUT IT UNDER A PARKING LOT AND IT'S MADE OUTTA CONCRETE, THEN IT'S MILLIONS.
BUT WOULD THE STORAGE, UM, UM, OPTION ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD USE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE TOWN? BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOCUSING ON TWO AREAS NOW, BUT WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN FLOODING.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THIS MIGHT BE LIKE A COST EFFECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, OPTION THAT COULD HELP.
AND WE, WHAT WE WOULD TRY TO DO IS IDENTIFY AREAS WE COULD PUT STORAGE, THEN WE'D ADD IT TO THE MODEL AND SEE HOW IT
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HELPS.SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH ALL OUR CONSTITUENTS ALL OVER THE TOWN, WE COULD LOOK AT IT, RIGHT.
AND THIS, THESE MODELS WERE DONE IN TWO SPECIFIC AREAS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN.
NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT? YEAH.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ALL SGO ROAD, YOU KNOW THAT AREA.
WE'VE HAD FLOODING PROBLEMS THERE.
THAT'S IS THAT IN THE MANHATTAN WHERE RANDOLPH AND NEAR THE COUNTY CENTER? DON'T WE HAVE, CAN YOU PULL UP TO MANHATTAN BROOK WATERSHED? YEAH, PLEASE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN CONSTRAINTS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FULTON PARK, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE I'M SAYING WOULD THE STORAGE POSSIBLY BE LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP THAT AREA? WHICH ONE'S HERE? CAN YOU, THIS ONE ANYWAY.
CAN YOU SEND INTO THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ONE'S BETTER.
I THINK THE TOPO, I DIDN'T GET ANY DEEP.
UM, AND, UH, WE, WE CAN GET NORTH IS OPEN.
THIS IS NORTH, SO, UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE COULD LOOK INTO.
YOU'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.
I'M REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS.
UH, THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IN THE PAST IS EITHER ELEVATING OR MOVING STRUCTURES.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO ALMOST AT ANY TIME.
UM, ANYTIME YOU HAVE A DISASTER, UH, DECLARATION, YOU CAN GET, UH, MONEY THROUGH FEMA TO DO THAT.
THERE'S, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT DOING THE SHORT FORM VERSION HERE, I BELIEVE OUT ON, UH, ON WARREN AVE.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO ELIMINATE HOMES FROM FLOODING.
A LOT OF TIMES IT'S DONE AFTER AN EVENT.
SO IF A HOME IS DAMAGED, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT WORK INTO IT ANYWAY.
SO ELEVATING IS JUST ADDITIONAL WORK THEY WOULD DO.
OR IF THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANNA BE FLOODED ANYMORE, THEY WANTED TO SELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN WOULD, THE TOWN WOULD INITIATE IT.
BUT, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY CAN BE COMPLETELY FUNDED THROUGH FEMA, UM, TO ACTUALLY DO THE BUYOUTS AND THEN THE LAND WOULD SIT VACANT AND THEN YOU COULD DO OTHER THINGS WITH IT.
LIKE YOU COULD PROVIDE AREAS OF STORAGE OR YOU JUST LEAVE IT AS SCREEN SPACE OR, BUT IT, IT, IT COULD NEVER BE BUILT ON AGAIN.
SO, BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF, SAY TROUBLESOME BROOK YEAH.
WE BASICALLY HAVE, HOW MANY HOMES WOULD YOU SAY GENERALLY ALWAYS GET FLOODED? MAYBE FIVE.
WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT MAYBE FIVE, SIX PEOPLE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A CURRENT, UH, RIGHT NOW, ANYBODY ALONG THAT BROOK GETS, OH, I'M SORRY.
ANYBODY ALONG THE BROOK HAS BEEN IMPACTED.
THE LAST FEW STORMS, THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE'VE HAD THREE RESIDENTS GET IMPACTED.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN IDA, THE WHOLE AREA GETS IMPACTED.
I THINK WHAT JOE'S SAYING IS AS THESE, IF THESE PROPERTIES ARE DAMAGED, THERE'S A PROGRAM WHERE THE PROPERTIES COULD BE BOUGHT.
AND THE STRUCTURES WERE MOVED AND THEN LEFT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU JUST HAD ONE, TWO HOMES SELL ON THAT ROAD.
AND SINCE THEY BOUGHT THE HOME, THEY'VE BEEN FLOODED.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THERE'S A WAY TO MITIGATE THAT.
WE HAVE PUT THE, THE FLOOD MAPS ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THERE'S MORE WAYS TO INFORM PEOPLE OF WHERE THEY'RE MOVING INTO.
BUT, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO, AT LEAST ON FEMA'S END WITH PURCHASING OF THE PROPERTIES, IF THEY'RE IN A DESIGNATED FLOOD PLANE RIGHT.
OR AN AREA THAT'S PRONE TO FLOODING OR CONSIDERED TO BE A FLOOD HAZARD AREA, THEN THAT'S WHAT FEMA WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
IN CLARETT PLACE IN PARTICULAR, THAT IS, OR AT LEAST THE FIRST PORTION, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF CLARETT PLACE IS CURRENTLY IN A FLOOD HAZARD AREA AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING AND IS DEFINITELY CONSIDER.
AND IS THAT, YOU SAID IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED WITH NO MATCH? YEAH, IT, IT IS OFTEN A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED.
USUALLY YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF IT.
UM, BUT THE, UM, BUT THE ACTUAL PURCHASE OF THE HOME CAN BE UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT AS OPPOSED TO, BECAUSE IN, IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, LOOKING AT FOR BABBITT COURT FOR INSTANCE, I THINK IT'S A 90 10, ISN'T IT? SO YEAH.
IT DEPENDS ON THE AND IT DEPENDS ON IT DISASTER.
AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S A HUNDRED, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M ASKING IS IT A HUNDRED PERCENT IF THEY BUY OUT THE HOME OR IS IT ACROSS THE BOARDS IN, FOR INSTANCE, BAIT COURT WOULD BE 90 10.
THE, THE STANDARD, AND I THINK IF YOU READ IT, BUT THERE IS NO A HUNDRED PERCENT WHERE THE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMES FROM IS CONGRESS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PASS FUNDING
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FOR THE DISASTER AND THEN THEY COVER THAT.AND, AND IT'S, I'LL JUST SAY IT'S, IT'S DONE OFTEN.
SO THAT, UM, SO THERE IS, THERE IS OFTEN COST SHARE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S JUST WIPED OUT BY CONGRESS.
SO IT DEPENDS ON THE DISASTER THAT HAPPENS JUST BEFORE.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S H M G P HAZARD INTEGRATION GRANT PROGRAM IS THE PRIMARY FUNDER FOR THAT.
AND THOSE COME OUT AFTER DISASTERS.
SO, BUT ALSO IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT IT'S CONSIDERED TO HAVE IT'S WORTH.
AND OF COURSE YOU NOW HAVE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY FLOODED.
THEY'RE NOT WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, FEMA'S NOT GONNA PAY WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AT AT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH AN ARMS LENGTH SALE.
UH, TWO THINGS ABOUT THAT IS, UM, IF YOU'RE BUYING A HOME AND YOU'RE BUYING A CASH, YOU DON'T HAVE A BANK INVOLVED.
YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU'RE BUYING.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION AND FIND OUT THAT THIS HOME FLOODS AND AT LEAST YOU'LL BE MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION BUYING IT.
UH, AND SECONDLY, WHEN WE HAVE THESE SITUATIONS LIKE WITH BABBITT COURT, UH, WE KNOW VERY WELL OF A, OF A SITUATION WHERE TWO YEARS LATER WE ARE DOING ALL THE PAPERWORK, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
WE DON'T STILL HAVE ANY GUARANTEES FROM FEMA THAT THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED.
WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE WING AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T LIVE IN THAT HOME.
AND SO THE SYSTEM AND IS PAYING TAX, THE SYSTEM'S BROKEN, THE SYSTEM IS DEFINITELY BROKEN.
AND MORTGAGE AND PAYING MORTGAGE ON THAT HOUSE THAT'S NOT, CAN'T BE INHABITED.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET THAT SELLER.
AND THERE'S TRUTH IN SELLING TOO, IN TERMS OF, UH, SELLER, YOU KNOW.
SO THE WHOLE SYSTEM, UM, IS NOT DESIGNED OUR 25 YEAR PIPES, UM, NOBODY HERE WAS THE ONE WHO DESIGNED THE 25 YEAR PIPES.
NOBODY HERE LIKELY COVERED OVER TROUBLESOME BROOK AND PUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ENCLOSED IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LIVING WITH NOW.
AND SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE WATER SITUATION THAT WE HAVE AS BEST WE CAN, USING EVERY ONE OF THESE MITIGATION IMPACTS, DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, WHICH CONSTANTLY IS INCREASING.
AND SO I DO WANNA SAY JUST BEFORE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WILL GET UP AT A TOWN BOARD MEETING BEFORE I MENTIONED CON ED IS EASY TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST INCREASE THE GAUGE OF THE, THE WIRE.
I'M WELL AWARE YOU HAVE TO DECREASE THE WAY, THE WAY THE GAUGE OF THE WIRE.
'CAUSE AS THE GAUGE GETS SMALLER, IT CAN HOLD MORE AMPERAGE.
SO JUST BEFORE ANYBODY WRITES OR EMAILS
UM, AND THE, UH, THE LAST THING, UH, THAT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING, UM, THAT WHEN THE WORK ON TROUBLESOME WAS DONE, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT, AND I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT STATUS OF THIS, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A PIPE SYSTEM, UM, THAT COMES DOWN.
MOUNTJOY AVE UM, COLLECTS THE WATER, AND THEN BASICALLY THERE'S ANOTHER PIPE THAT TAKES IT UPSTREAM AND THEN DUMPS IT OUT INTO THE, THE TROUBLESOME BROOK, WHICH IS THE RED LINE.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD LOOK AT INITIALLY IS JUST WHY THAT WAS DONE.
AND WE TRY TO RESTORE THE DIRECT CONNECTION AND TO ELIMINATE THAT BIG LOOP THAT'S BEING MADE.
UM, I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST AS A MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY.
UM, BUT WE WOULD, LOOK, I JUST GIVE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE 'CAUSE EVERYBODY OR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT WE WOULD LOOK FOR ALL THOSE THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT AREAS WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS AND SHOULD WE DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT? UM, AN EXAMPLE WE HAD IN A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY WAS, UM, AND IT WAS ONE OF THESE, WE WERE AT A COMMUNITY MEETING AND SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS.
THEY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO PIPES COMING INTO THAT DITCH, BUT ONLY ONE GOING OUT.
AND SO WE SAID, OH, OKAY, WELL WE, WE BETTER LOOK AT THAT.
WE LOOKED AT IT, IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE THE FLOOD LEVEL, BUT WHAT IT DID CHANGE WAS HOW LONG THAT AREA WAS FLOODED.
AND IT REDUCED IT BY OVER HALF BY PUTTING IN A SECONDARY PIPE.
AND THE BIGGEST REASON WE COULD DO THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.
WE COULD DRAIN THAT WHOLE DITCH BEFORE THE BIG FLOOD WAS COMING THROUGH THE MAIN SYSTEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM AND LOOKING FOR THESE PLACES WHERE WE CAN ADD EFFICIENCY TO IT IS, IS ANOTHER THING WE CAN DO WITH THE MODELS THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER.
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TOO, RATHER THAN JUST THE, AND AND ARE THOSE POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE SMALL FIXES SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO MORE IMMEDIATELY WITH MORE LIMITED FUNDING THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FLOODING FOR THE TIME BEING WITH THE PLAN TO DO THE BIGGER FIXES AND AS WELL? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.I MEAN, UH, ONE COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE TAKING THAT APPROACH IS THE CITY OF NORWALK, ACTUALLY, EXCUSE ME.
WE DID A CITYWIDE STUDY FOR NORWALK.
AND UH, WE ARE PRIORITIZING, BUT INITIALLY BASED ON AVAILABLE FUNDING, WE ARE FOCUSING ON SOME SMALLER PROJECTS, LET'S SAY, AS OPPOSED TO THE REAL, REAL LARGE SCALE.
AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, DESIGN ON SOME OF THOSE RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY.
SO, UM, IT'S A SMART APPROACH, AN ALTERNATIVE PROVIDED THAT IT, IT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
COULD THAT, COULD THAT LOOP, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
UH, IS THAT, COULD THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN WITH THE INTENTION OF IT BUYS YOU SOME TIME? IT'S ALSO BASICALLY A, IT'S NOT A DETENTION, BUT AT LEAST FOR A 25 YEAR STORM, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING SO MUCH WATER SO QUICKLY INTO THE TROUBLESOME BROOK.
AND, AND, AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE MALL WE'LL PUT TOGETHER, IT'LL TELL US, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL COMPARE THE TWO.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE DEPTHS, WE'LL LOOK AT THE, THE FLOWS.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE, UH, THE EXTENT OF THE FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA AND SEE, SEE HOW IT CHANGES.
OF COURSE, THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE FAILS ONCE YOU GO OVER A 25 YEAR STORM, BECAUSE NOW CONTINUOUS FLOW, IT'S DE IT'S DETAINING NOTHING.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE STUDY HANDLES THAT.
SO AGAIN, THE NEXT STEP WILL BE AN R F P REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR SURVEY AND WORK.
IT'S GONNA BE A COSTLY SURVEY, UM, THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD HOPEFULLY IN NOVEMBER.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE.
WHAT
SO IN TERMS OF THERE'S A CONTRACT REPORTER THAT YOU LIKE, WE'VE MENTIONED, YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT PLEASE.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS BRIAN WAS MADE, UM, UH, WE HAVE THIS CO-OP, YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT A POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A AGREEMENT WHERE THEY WOULD GIVE US AN EASEMENT TO THEIR PROPERTY OFF UNDERHILL ROAD SUPERVISOR.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK WE SHOULDN'T DISCUSS THAT ISSUE TONIGHT AND OKAY.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IS THERE LIKE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE, THAT WE COULD DO SAY IN THE NEXT YEAR, THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THAT SURVEY WORK AND THEY PUT THAT INTO THEIR MODEL, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TELL US THAT.
SO, SO FOR BOTH, UH, MANHATTAN BROOK AND TROUBLESOME BROOK, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD BE TAKING ADDITIONAL ACTIONS, SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE, UH, PITCHES THAT WE HAD UP THERE OF THE MANHATTAN BROOK BROOK UNDER THE, UH, ROUTE ONE 19 WAS COMPLETELY CLEANED OUT.
UM, MANHATTAN BROOK, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN LIKE ANY COMPLAINTS RECENTLY.
THERE'S BEEN SOME REAL INTERESTING, UH, DEVELOPMENTS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
IN FACT, WE HAD OUR STORM, UH, STORM MILL RIVER MEETING TODAY AND YOU KNOW, AFTER TALKING TO BRIAN, THE LAST FEW STORM EVENTS WE'VE HAD, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IMPACT ON BABBITT.
AND THEY JUST DID A MASSIVE DAM REMOVAL PROJECT AT, UH, LEIGHTON'S IN ARDSLEY AND I BROUGHT THAT UP TODAY.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT MAYBE POSSIBLE REPERCUSSIONS OF THAT WORK.
SO THAT MIGHT'VE HELPED UPSTREAM FROM US POSITIVE RE REPERCUSSIONS.
AND THERE'S STILL A FEW MORE THINGS WE CAN BE DOING THERE, BUT MANHATTAN BROOK, WE CLEANED OUT UNDER ROUTE ONE 19, WE FOUND CARRIAGES FROM PERGAMON.
THAT'S HOW LONG THE BLOCKAGE WAS THERE.
THAT'S, AND AT THE, THE CENTER, THE THEODORE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE LEVEL DURING THESE STORMS. AND ANTHONY GRAVES, WHO'S BEEN WITH US MANY YEARS, HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND TAKEN LOOKS AND HE SAID HE'S NEVER SEEN IT THAT LOW.
I HEAR YOU'RE SEEING ONE CHANNEL TOTALLY BLOCKED.
AND THAT'S BEEN COMPLETELY CLEANED UP AND INSIDE THAT CHANNEL'S BEEN CLEANED UP AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ISSUED NOTICES FOR THEM TO CLEAN OUT PAST THERE, AND THAT'S BEEN DONE.
SO ALL THIS IS HAVING, YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE EFFECT.
NOW, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CLEANUP? ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, IT WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND UNDER THERE WE TOOK CARE OF IT.
BUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? NEW YORK STATE.
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RIGHT.SO WHAT WE'RE HAVING IS, YEAH, BUT IT, IT, I, I KNOW WE PASS OVER IT AND SOMETIMES WE SMILE, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT OUR RESIDENCY AND INTERACT WITH DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, WE NEED OUR STATE AGENCIES TO STEP UP ON STATE PROPERTY OR COUNTY PEOPLE TO STEP UP ON COUNTY PROPERTY.
BUT ULTI, MANY TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S TOWN GOING IN AND SOMETIMES WHEN WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GET DONE UNLESS WE DO.
BUT THAT'S A COST ON THE TOWN TAXPAYERS IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THIS.
AND THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE TOWN HAD TO GO IN AND FIX THAT BECAUSE THE BACKUP, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY GETS FLOODED, THEY DON'T CARE IF IT'S STATE, COUNTY, OR TOWN, BUT WE ARE HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE COME AND SAY, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IF WE CAN'T GET THOSE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXING IT, WE BASICALLY GO IN AND DO IT.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING AS WITH THE SAW SAWMILL RIVER.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND, AND ONE TIME WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND DID WORK AND THEN THEY CAME AFTER US BECAUSE THEY ACCUSED US OF, OF DAMAGING, UH, UH, A BRIDGE, A SMALL BRIDGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS A BRIDGE, IT WAS A PATHWAY.
WE ROUTINELY TEAM UP WITH THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND PUT, YOU KNOW, BOOTS IN THE RIVER AND PULL OUT ANYTHING WE CAN.
AND AGAIN, THERE WERE PICTURES WE DEMONSTRATED THIS MORNING THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY INTENSE CLEANUPS THERE, ESPECIALLY.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
BUT I, I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN SHEEN IS SAYING IS THERE ARE OTHERS, IN FACT, IN THIS RESPECT TO THIS, THIS CULVERT SYSTEM, THE STATE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE IT IN THEIR REGISTER.
SO I THINK THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE ONE THAT WAS PUT IN.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE WATCH THIS MEETING, YOU KNOW, ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE INTERNET OR ON TV, AT LEAST THEY'LL SEE THAT WE'RE TRYING AND, UM, THAT YOU, THERE'S NO LIKE SIMPLE ANSWERS AND EVERYTHING YOU DO COULD HAVE DIFFERENT CONSEQUENCES.
AND I THINK IF, IF, UH, SO I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE VERY USEFUL INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE TO, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY OF SOLVING SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT I'LL ALSO SAY IS WITH THE TWO D MODEL, AND WE, WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU, NORWALK COMES TO MIND THAT WHEN WE DO GET RESULTS AND WE'RE DOING THE PRESENTATIONS, UH, TO PRESENT ON OUR FINDINGS, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR THEM TO VISUALIZE AND SEE WITH THINGS LIKE JOE RAN EARLIER, THAT MODEL AND VISUALIZING WHERE THE WATER GOES.
AND, UH, IT'S VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I'M HOPING THE TAKEAWAY FROM PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS IS, OH, THEY'RE DOING ANOTHER STUDY.
WE'RE DOING A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROJECT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
AND FROM EVEN THE INITIATION OF THAT STUDY, ACTUAL WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
WE JUST EXPLAINED HOW WE'RE GOING IN WHERE WE'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO GO IN AND DO CLEANING OUT OF THE WATERWAYS SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T GETTING FLOODED.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GOING ON, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TURN CLIMATE CHANGE INTO POLITICS OR NOT, BUT THAT WATER, IF IT'S COMING INTO YOUR BASEMENT, IT'S COMING INTO YOUR BASEMENT.
AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE FLOODING SITUATION THAT HAS, IS JUST GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ALMOST DO THE IMPOSSIBLE AND TURN A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS IN 300 YEAR STORMS INTO THE EQUIVALENT OF A 25 YEAR STORM.
AND IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, SO IF YOU'RE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING THIS STUDY BY DOING A SURVEY.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WAITING FOR THAT SURVEY TO COME OUT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, BECAUSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO WORK ON THIS PROJECT, ON THIS TOPIC.
WE HAVE A HARD STOP IN THREE MINUTES.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU LEFT OUT? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
AND THANK YOU BOTH RICH AND BRIAN.
MOTION FOR MOTION TO END THE MEETING.