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WELCOME TARA TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.TODAY IS, UM, SEPTEMBER 26TH AT UH, FIVE 20.
AND, UH, WE WILL START WITH A PRESENTATION, UH, BY BIOMED, UH, REALTY, UM, DISCUSSING THE S Z PARK REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, PLAN I, UM, YESTERDAY, UM, I NOTIFIED, UH, THE MAYOR OF LEY AND UH, HASTINGS OFFICIALS, UM, ABOUT, UM, THIS MEETING JUST SO THEY, SINCE IT IMPACTS BOTH LEY AND, AND HASTINGS AND ON INCORPORATED AGREEMENT, RIGHT? YES.
MAKE SURE YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON.
IS THAT ON? AND HOLD IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO YOU SO THAT IT BRING RIGHT TO YOU.
I'M STILL SEEING YOUR CAMERA, NOT MINE.
YOU SEE I'M NOT HEARING THE YOU SOMETHING.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT ON ZOOM, I, I DON'T HAVE, I ONLY SEE A WEBINAR FOR THE IS THERE ANOTHER VIEW THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER VIEW? NO, YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR OWN VIEW.
'CAUSE I HAVE A TEST JUST ON MY PERSONAL ONE, JUST TO SEE THIS CAMERA RIGHT HERE.
I COULD SPOTLIGHT YOU, I GUESS.
AND I WOULD GIVE UP YOUR CAMERA AUDIO.
I DON'T HAVE AUDIO THAT FOR YOU.
I WASN'T GETTING AUDIO ANYMORE.
WHAT'S THAT? AND MY KIDS BLAME.
THAT'S USUALLY MY, SO THANKS FOR CHANGING THIS.
LISTEN, IF I HAD A CHOICE OF, IF I HAD A CHOICE OF CAMERA VIEW, IT WOULDN'T BE THIS WAY.
UH, JENNIFER GRAY, UH, PARTNER AT KEENAN BEAN.
UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF BIOMED REALTY, UH, WHICH OWNS APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRES OF PROPERTY ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UH, CALLED LEY PARK.
UH, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, UM, A CONCEPT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE LEY PARK SITE.
UM, CURRENTLY, AS YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS IMPROVED WITH SEVERAL BUILDINGS AND, AND PARKING AREAS.
UH, BUT WITH THE DEPARTURE OF BIOMED'S LARGEST TENANT THERE ACCORD, UM, THE BUILDINGS HAVE REMAINED LARGELY VACANT, UH, FOR SOME TIME, THUS PROMPTING OUR INVESTIGATION INTO AN ALTERNATE APPROACH FOR, UH, FOR THE SITE.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE ANALYZING, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY FOR A WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION USE.
UM, TO THAT END, J M C HAS, UH, PREPARED SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR A MULTI-TENANTED WAREHOUSE, UH, BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 280,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I AM JOINED TONIGHT BY A PORTION OF OUR PROJECT TEAM WHO'S GONNA WALK US THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
WE DO HAVE A POWERPOINT, UH, TO PRESENT TO YOU, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE ALLOTTED 30 MINUTES OF TIME FOR US TONIGHT, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT, AND WE WERE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT TO THAT.
UM, SO JOINING ME TONIGHT IS SAL ZINO, UH, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR BIOMED, ALSO DIEGO VILLAREAL FROM, UM, UH, J M C PROJECT ENGINEER.
UM, IN A MINUTE I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO SAL, UH, TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, UM, TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO IS BIOMED.
UH, BRIEFLY PUT THE SITE INTO CONTEXT WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS AND TALK ABOUT THE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, TO DIEGO TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME, UH, OF THE, THE TRAFFIC, PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE HAVE PERFORMED SO FAR.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT IS GONNA RESULT IN SOME REAL BENEFITS, UH, FOR THE TOWN, INCLUDING INCREASED PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, UH, WITH NO IMPACTS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OBVIOUSLY FOR A WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
UM, A REDUCTION IN THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC AS COMPARED TO RE OCCUPANCY OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS FOR THE OFFICE USE.
AND OBVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTION JOBS AND ALSO CONSTRUCTION OF A, A MODERN ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THE, THE OLDER LESS EFFICIENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO SAL, UH, TO, TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE, UH, AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.
AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, I THINK EVERYONE IS ROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION.
THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, SO I WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS SLIDE.
IF WE COULD JUST FLIP TO THE SECOND ONE, WE'LL SHARE SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE SITE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FEW BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY THREE, OR EXCUSE ME, TWO OR FOUR BUILDINGS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
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REFER TO THEM BY TWO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES AND AN EXISTING CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT.UM, THERE WERE SOME PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE SOME BUILDINGS UP AT THE HIGH SIDE OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THAT CROWN CASTLE ANTENNA THAT'S SHOWN THERE.
THOSE ARE DEMOLISHED, UM, SHORTLY AFTER WE ACQUIRED THE SITE, ROUGHLY IN 2011.
SO WE STILL HAVE THOSE FOUR BUILDINGS.
AND AS JENNIFER MENTIONED, WE'RE PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY AORTA NOT TOO LONG AGO.
AND SO THE CAMPUS AT THIS POINT IS COMPLETELY EMPTY.
AND WE JUST FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO, BUILDINGS HAVE A LONG HISTORY.
UM, THEY WERE LAB BUILDINGS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
THEY'VE REACHED A POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE REALLY NO LONGER VIABLE AS LAB BUILDINGS.
UM, WE'LL TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE MARKETING EFFORTS THAT, UH, THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO ATTEMPT TO FILL THESE BUILDINGS.
UM, THEY'RE AT A POINT NOW JUST GIVEN CHANGES IN CODE, THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE REQUIREMENTS OF TENANTS TODAY.
UM, WE JUST DON'T SEE A PATH TO TURNING THESE BACK INTO VIABLE LEAD BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT'S DRIVEN US TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE USES.
SO THE LEASING HISTORY, THIS HAS BEEN, UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD HERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF, A LOT OF DAYS DOWN HERE, A LOT OF HOURS, A LOT OF WEEKS DOWN HERE.
UM, TALKING TO A LOT OF POTENTIAL TENANTS.
UM, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A FEW TOURS ON THE CAMPUS OVER THE YEARS.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE OWNED, HASN'T BEEN, ACCORD HAS NOT OCCUPIED THE ENTIRE CAMPUS.
THEY ONLY OCCUPIED A PORTION OF THE CAMPUS.
SO WE'VE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO REALLY LEASE THE VACANT BUILDING SINCE 2011.
YOU KNOW, WE DO FOCUS ON LIFE SCIENCE REAL ESTATE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST, UM, AND HAVE NOT HAD SUCCESS WITH LEASING THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAS DRIVEN US TO LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATIVE USES.
UH, SO THE PROPOSED SITE, YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SELMA RIVER ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
THAT'S A THREE-WAY UP ON THE NORTH ON THE, EXCUSE ME, ON THE, THE TOP PART OF THE PAGE.
UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS A 280,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH THE ASSOCIATED PARKING.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE WOULD, UH, WE'RE, THIS IS AGAIN, A CONCEPT.
WE DO NOT HAVE A TENANT IDENTIFIED FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD EXPECT THAT, GIVEN THE SIZE OF IT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE TENANTS, MAYBE TWO TO THREE TENANTS, DEPENDING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND, OF COURSE.
SO AS JENNIFER MENTIONED, THIS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT BUILDING THAN ANY OTHER LAB BUILDINGS.
THE ENERGY USE INTENSITY IS MUCH LOWER, UM, THAN, THAN EVEN WHAT WE HAVE ON CAMPUS TODAY.
NOT THE, UH, THE MAX DENSITY SCENARIO.
UM, BUT WE WOULD KEEP THE CROWN CASTLE ANTENNA.
THAT'S, AGAIN, UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
WE WOULD ADD A PARKING TRAILER SPACES AND THEN ACCESS, WE CAN TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT OF COURSE IT'D BE OFF SAWMILL.
UM, AND THEN FISCAL IMPACTS, SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT BUILDING AGAIN THAN WHAT WE HAVE THERE TODAY.
UM, WE EXPECT THAT ROUGHLY BASED ON SOME COMPS THAT WE STUDIED IN THE TOWN, THAT TAX REVENUES COULD INCREASE BY MAXIMUM OF 40%.
UM, THAT'S BEYOND THE EXISTING TAX REVENUE.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT ARE GETTING, GETTING PAYING NOW.
I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS.
I THINK WE'RE IN THE ORDER OF A A MILLION AND CHANGE, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? IS THE ONE FOUR, YOU HAVE THAT FOR JENNIFER CURRENT.
THE, THE EXISTING ASSESSMENT IS, UH, JUST ABOUT 49 MILLION.
UM, AND THE TAXES PAID IN 2022 WAS ABOUT 1.6.
UM, AND WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT, UH, A $69 MILLION ASSESSMENT IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION WITH, UH, A TAX REVENUE OF 2.2, UH, MILLION, OBVIOUSLY MAJORITY OF THAT TO GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY.
SO, AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE JOBS, JOBS, CONSTRUCTION JOBS, LONG-TERM JOBS, UM, AND, UH, RELATIVELY LOW BURDEN ON THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES.
UM, MINIMAL UTILITY USAGE, MINIMAL, UM, DEMAND FOR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW TRAFFIC IS A, A TOPIC THAT EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DIEGO AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRAFFIC.
SO, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, DIEGO VILL ALLEY WITH J M C WE'RE THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND, UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, BIOMED ON THIS PROPERTY AGAIN, SINCE THEY PURCHASED IT BACK IN 2011.
WE ASSISTED WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
WE ALSO HELPED WITH THE CONNECTOR BUILDING CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH THEM ON DEVELOPING THE SITE PLAN, UM, KNOWING THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER COMPONENTS ARE GONNA BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, EVEN EARLY ON, AS EARLY AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW, SOMETIMES WE WON'T PREPARE THESE STUDIES UNTIL LATER ON IN THE PROCESS.
WE STARTED LOOKING AT TRAFFIC AND POTENTIAL
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TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UNDERSTANDING THE USE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.SO, UM, WE WENT OUT THERE IN JUNE, DID SOME PRELIMINARY COUNTS IN THE AREA AND THE SURROUNDING INTERSECTION, STUDYING FROM, UH, UH, THE LAWRENCE STREET INTERSECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JACKSON AVENUE, REALLY FOCUSING ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AND ESPECIALLY THE TURN LANES IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UM, THERE ARE FOUR CURB CUTS ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S ALL BEING CONSOLIDATED INTO TWO.
YOU'D CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE NORTHERN, UH, ENTRANCE AND THEN THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE ON THE PROPERTY.
THOSE TWO CURB CUTS WOULD REMAIN, AND THEN THE TWO THAT ARE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
SO WE'RE REDUCING IT TO THOSE TWO, UH, LOCATIONS.
UM, ON THE SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S TWO BULLET POINTS THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID LOOK AT WAS THE TRIP GENERATION CHARACTERISTICS BASED ON 280,000 SQUARE FEET OF A WAREHOUSE USE.
WHAT ARE THE TRAFFIC CHARACTERISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? HOW MUCH TRIPS WILL IT GENERATE ON A DAILY BASIS? AND AGAIN, THERE IS SOME VARIATION DEPENDING ON WHO THE FINAL USER IS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT REGARDLESS OF THE USER AND THE TYPE OF USE, IT WILL BE A REDUCTION FROM THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED FROM THE FULLY OCCUPIED OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, BUT NOT A REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC AS IT EXISTS NOW BECAUSE IT ISN'T OCCUPIED WELL UNDER.
YEAH, IT IS UNOCCUPIED RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
IT'S BASICALLY ZERO AT THIS POINT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY A ACCORD WAS IN THAT BUILDING JUST A SHORT TIME AGO.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS AN OPERATING OFFICE BUILDING, UH, AND WHEN YOU DO A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO, THERE IS A REDUCTION IN THE PAT.
THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC, WAS THAT SINCE THE RIVERTOWN SQUARE? OH, YEAH.
BUILT, YEAH, IT'S RIVERTOWN SQUARE WAS A PROJECT THAT WE WORKED ON, AND THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
A QUARTER JUST LEFT THE, IN 2022 WAS, IT WAS WHEN THEY FULLY, UH, VACATED THE BUILDING.
BUT RIVERTOWN SQUARE WAS SEVERAL YEARS BACK, BUT AT THAT WASN'T FULLY, UM, INHABITED.
HOW MUCH DID OCO OCCUPY IN THE BUILDING? IT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW.
I I THOUGHT YOU SAID SINCE 2011, THAT'S WHEN'S ALWAYS FULL OCCUPANCY.
I THINK THE CAMPUS WAS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE ORDER OF, OF, YOU KNOW, 65 TO 75% OCCUPIED WHEN A QUARTER WAS THERE.
SO THERE WAS ALWAYS SOME VACANCY, SOME STATIC VACANCY.
SO THERE IS DEFINITELY A DELTA, BUT AGAIN, UM, YOU CAN REOCCUPY THE BUILDING TODAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPLIED FOR BUILDING PERMITS.
YOU COULD REOCCUPY IT FOR AN OFFICE USE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF USE AS OUR BASELINE ASSUMPTION FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES.
REGARDLESS OF THAT, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONS AT THE DRIVEWAYS, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONS THERE.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THE DELTA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS.
I BELIEVE THE COMMENT WAS ALREADY MADE ABOUT LEFT TURNS.
AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IN ADDITION TO JUST LOOKING AT AND ALSO WHETHER OR NOT D O T ALLOWS YOU TO DO A LEFT TURN A HUNDRED PERCENT.
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE D O T AT ALL? WE'VE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TRUCK TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE FULLY VET THE TRUCK TR TRUCK TRAFFIC USAGE ALONG THE PROPERTY.
SO WE RAN THE CONCEPT BY THEM.
WE SHOWED THEM A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS FAR AS SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS, BUT THERE WAS, UH, NOTHING PRECLUDING US FROM MOVING FORWARD.
IT WAS SOMETHING THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN ENTERTAIN.
THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY TO DO SOME NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE DONE.
FOR INSTANCE, YOU DO HAVE TO PROVIDE A LEFT TURN INTO THIS PROPERTY, ONE THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE WOULD BE SOME WIDENING ALONG SAW MILL RIVER ROAD WHERE YOU HAVE TO WIDEN IT TO PROVIDE A LEFT TURN IN, AND THEN YOU ARE PERMITTED TO ALLOW LEFT TURNS OUT, UH, ONTO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND IT WORKS FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, AND IT WORKS FROM, UM, A GEOMETRY STANDPOINT.
WE'RE ABLE TO CONFIGURE IT IN A FASHION WHERE IT'S PERMITTED.
SO WE DID PREPARE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT THE LEFT TURNS OUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WAREHOUSE TYPE USE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PROXIMITY TO THE HIGHWAYS.
YOU HAVE THE 87 RAMP THAT'S JUST TO THE NORTH OF US, IT'S ABOUT A MILE NORTH, OR YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SOUTH DOWN TOWARDS TAHOE ROAD.
SO MAKING A LEFT TURN OUTTA THE FACILITY IS, IS, IS IMPORTANT FROM THAT ASPECT OF IT.
AND SO THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WOULD GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER'S DONE FOR THE PROJECT.
WHERE WOULD THE WIDENING OCCUR ON THE EAST SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET? SO ACTUALLY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN REAL QUICK? SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT'S PLAN NORTH.
THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IN THAT LOCATION.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE WIDENING WOULD OCCUR.
YOU COULD SEE IT'S ALREADY CONTEMPLATED ON THE PLAN.
THERE'S A LEFT TURN POCKET LANE THAT'S BEING DESIGNED SO YOU CAN ENTER THE PROPERTY IN THAT LOCATION AND THAT'S WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE PERMITTED.
THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH WOULD BE LIMITED POTENTIALLY.
THAT'S GONNA BE A SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION WITH D O T.
WHEN YOU HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON THE PROPERTY, THEY
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LIKE TO KEEP ONE DRIVEWAY FULLY OPERATIONAL, AND THEN ANOTHER DRIVEWAY SOMETIMES LIMITED.SO YOU'RE SAYING NORTH SOUTH AND THE ENTRANCE, SO TO THE LEFT PROPERTY, BUT I'M, YOU MENTIONED WIDENING THE SUN MILL RIVER ROAD.
SO, SO THAT, JUST THINKING OF IT, EAST WEST.
SO IF YOU IMAGINE INSTEAD OF NORTH SOUTH, LET'S JUST IMAGINE LOOKING AT THE PLAN TO THE LEFT, THAT IS TO THE NORTH.
SO SOILL RIVER ROAD RUNS IN A NORTH SOUTH DIRECTION.
SO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD WOULD BE WIDENED IN THE EAST WEST DIRECTION.
IT WOULD BE MADE WIDER IN THAT AREA THERE TO ALLOW FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE.
RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE TAKING THE PROPERTY, OUR PROPERTY, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WE'RE GONNA WIDEN TOWARDS OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS ADEQUATE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH.
THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM ALONG OUR FRONTAGE TO WIDEN ON THAT SIDE.
WE WOULDN'T START PUSHING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION BECAUSE OF RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HOW, UM, THIS WOULD BE MORE LIKE A FEDEX, THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TYPE OF, IT DEPENDS, BUT IF THAT'S THE CONCEPT THAT IS A POTENTIAL USE.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF WAREHOUSE USE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS, UM, UH, INTENSIVE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
COULD YOU GIVE US, SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA, LIKE WHAT POTENTIAL OTHER POTENTIAL USES? YOU KNOW, COULD YOU FROM A A POTENTIAL USER? YEAH.
THE WAREHOUSE USE, AGAIN, THERE'S A, A, A BIG DIFFERENCE.
YOU COULD HAVE A FURNITURE WAREHOUSE USER, OR YOU CAN HAVE A FULFILLMENT CENTER LIKE A WAREHOUSE FOR FEDEX OR U P S.
SO THE VARIATION CAN BE, UH, IT, IT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND HOW MANY, UM, EMPLOYEES, UM, WOULD BE WORKING THERE.
AND, UM, HOW MANY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS WOULD BE DRIVING UP AND DOWN SOME RIVER ROAD, YOU KNOW, ON A TYPICAL SAY, DAY AND AROUND WHAT TIME? SO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE FIRST PART? NO, GO AHEAD.
WE'VE ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY 250 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ON SITE.
AND HOW MANY, UM, WHEN A QUARTER AND BY THE, BUT WHAT WAS LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY, WHAT'S THAT? 700? 700? YEAH, I'D SAY TYPICALLY WE THINK OF LABORATORY SPACES ROUGHLY THREE EMPLOYEES PER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY ALIGNS WITH, UH, MAYBE ABOUT 700, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS.
SO YOU HAVE 700 EMPLOYEES AND NOW IT WOULD BE DOWN TO TWO 50.
AND SO, AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE TRAFFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IN TERMS OF ANY ESTIMATES ABOUT HOW MANY TRUCKS WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD SURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE SORT OF A COMPARISON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THE BIOTECH, YOU KNOW, COM, YOU KNOW, BIO COMPANIES THERE, HOW MANY VEHICLES TRAVELED UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER OFF JACKSON AVENUE, SO I'M PREDISPOSED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A LOT OF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS.
WE, WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN MAIN IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD TO BEGIN WITH.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVIER VEHICLES.
UM, WHILE YOU SAID YOU TOOK THE STUDY FROM JACKSON TO LAWRENCE STREET, I TRAVEL ALONG THAT ROAD QUITE A BIT, I MUST ADMIT, NOT JUST JACKSON, BUT ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
MY MOTHER WAS LIVING OFF OF SAWMILL RIVER ROAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM, AND LAWRENCE STREET THAT, THAT TURN THERE IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
NOT THAT ANYONE, ANY TRUCKS WOULD BE COMING FROM SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, HOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ROUTINELY WHO WILL MAKE, UM, BECAUSE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ON THAT SHORT ROAD AT A LONG LIGHT, THEY WILL ROUTINELY GO INTO THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC AS IT IS.
AND, AND I JUST SEE THAT HAPPENING EVEN MORE WITH THE, THE BACKUP CREATED BY HAVING ADDITIONAL TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S ALREADY VERY RISKY, DANGEROUS SIT, UM, SITUATION AT THE INTERSECTION OF LAWRENCE STREET AND SAUNA RIVER ROAD.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE, ARE TWO CONCERNS.
A QUESTION, UM, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE LOOKING AT WAREHOUSE TENANTS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT CAN'T BE BIOMEDICAL
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RESEARCH, UM, COMPANIES, WHY NOT OTHER KINDS OF INDUSTRY OR CORPORATE ENTITIES? YOU WANNA JUMP, JUST BEFORE YOU JUMP INTO THAT QUESTION, JUST TO ANSWER THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED BEFORE ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL USER ON THE PROPERTY.
OH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A THOUGHT THAT I SPECIFIC TO THE WAREHOUSE USE.
SO SOME MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INTENSIVE TRUCK TRAFFIC USE, OTHER ONES WILL NOT.
WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE TRADITIONAL WAREHOUSE USES, THE TRAFFIC GENERATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT IS VERY LOW.
THE ONES THAT YOU SEE MORE, NOT IF YOU STAND IN WAREHOUSE LANE.
BUT IF YOU, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WAREHOUSES THAT ARE FULFILLMENT CENTERS LIKE FEDEXS AND AMAZONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL START TO SEE THE HIGHER TRAFFIC GENERATION VOLUMES.
BUT AGAIN, STILL IT'S LESS THAN A FULLY OCCUPIED, I KNOW IT'S NOT FULLY OCCUPIED TODAY, BUT IT'S STILL LESS THAN WHAT A FULLY OCCUPIED OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I CAN PUT TOGETHER A RANGE OF TRUCK TRAFFIC BASED ON THE DIFFERENT USES THAT COULD BE PUT IN THE WAREHOUSE USE TO ADDRESS THAT COMMENT.
AND WE COULD LOOK AT HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE GENERATED AND HOW MANY TRUCK TRIPS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND I COULD SEE LIKE IN HONESTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT THIS AREA TO BECOME LIKE STORMVILLE RIVER ROAD IN ELMSFORD WHERE IT JUST BECOMES A LOT OF TRAFFIC MM-HMM.
AND IT REALLY WOULD IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR DOWNTOWN ARDSLEY, YOU KNOW, AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING RIGHT NOW, UM, PEOPLE, THERE'S TRUCKS THAT TRUCKS HAVE USED THE CAMPUS IN THE PAST MM-HMM.
SO MAYBE WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THE EXISTING TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THEN GIVE US SORT OF AN ESTIMATE HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE.
AND JUST TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON DIEGO'S POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S NO, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TENANT, UM, AT THIS TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S HARD TO PINPOINT EXACTLY WHAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS, WE CAN VET ALL OF THAT OUT.
BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION.
WE COULD STUDY ALL, ALL SCENARIOS.
IF WE HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOR THE SPECIFIC TENANT, IT'S GONNA BE WAREHOUSE, SO.
SO WE COULD, SO YOU COULD SAY, OH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A, A FURNITURE STORE THAT GETS PRACTICALLY NO TRAFFIC, AND THEN SIX MONTHS AFTER YOU'RE IN, THEN THEY COULD SAY, OH, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GIGANTIC.
W I'M SAYING AMAZON, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
BUT YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO STUDY THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND DURING THE SECRET PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF USAGE.
AND I FURIOUS AT, YOU KNOW, A COUNTY BIT WHERE THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE WENT IN OFF OF SUN MILL RIVER ROAD.
SO ALTHOUGH THERE'S NEGATIVE, THERE'S NEGATIVES AND POSITIVES WITHOUT ANYTHING, YOUR PROPOSAL DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIDS.
UM, NO IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS REVENUE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AND LESS TRAFFIC, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, THAT WOULD BE A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
JUST ONE MORE QUICK COMMENT ON THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THOUGH.
UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, REFERENCING THE VILLAGE OF LEY AND THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT'S THERE, THE, THE INTERSTATE ACCESS POINTS WHERE, WHERE YOU PICK UP 87, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEFORE YOU ENTER ASHFORD AVENUE AND THE LEY ROAD IN THAT INTERSECTION THERE.
SO A MAJORITY OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC STAYS SOUTH OF THAT.
AND THEN KNOWING THAT THAT RON RAMP OFF RAMP, IT'S LIMITED TO ONE DIRECTION, YOU CAN'T GET TO ALL DIRECTIONS OF THE THROUGHWAY FROM THAT RAMP.
IT'S REALLY SOUTH IS THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GO ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND YOU PICK IT UP NEAR TUCKAHOE ROAD.
SO IT'S IN IT'S BOTH DIRECTIONS WHERE TRAFFIC COULD GET SPLIT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN VILLAGE THEORETICALLY.
WELL, YOU DO HAVE SOME ISSUES, BUT I WILL LET, UM, MY, MY COLLEAGUE WHO'S BEEN WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING UNDERSTOOD, THEY'LL, AFTER SIX TIMES I GIVE UP
I'M SORRY FRANCIS, I DIDN'T SEE YOU.
SO WHEN YOU MET WITH D O T PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M SURE YOU DIDN'T SAY, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE USE IS GONNA BE 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT YET.
SO IT'S A USE OF BEING, 'CAUSE WE DON'T, RIGHT.
'CAUSE WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, UM, A WHILE AGO WAS, WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE YOUR MEETING WITH D O T AS POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, OR JUST NEUTRAL? A HUNDRED PERCENT POSITIVE IN THE
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SENSE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED RELATIVE TO A WAREHOUSE USE ON THIS PROPERTY WITH THE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS FAR AS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM REGARDING THE TRUCK TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN, UH, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.UM, SO I WOULD SAY WE TOOK POSITIVE STEPS IN THAT DIRECTION AND WE DID SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT THE USE, BUT NOT A SPECIFIC TENANT BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY KNOW MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A MAJORITY OF THESE FACILITIES ARE ON STATE HIGHWAYS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE THROUGHWAYS AND THE INTERSTATES.
THEY DEAL WITH THESE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL FLEXI OR FLUCTUATION IN THE TRAFFIC GENERATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO, AND, AND D O T DID NOT SAY TO YOU, IS THIS ENVISIONED TO BE WAREHOUSE STORAGE VERSUS WAREHOUSE LOCAL DELIVERY FOR AN AMAZON TYPE? AGAIN, I, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH HOW EARLY WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? WE HAD PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH D O T, WE DID NOT FILE A FORMAL APPLICATION WITH THEM FOR THE PER PROPERTY.
AND IF AND WHEN WE DO, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS GONNA HAVE TRIP GENERATION, WHICH IS GONNA BE BASED ON A MORE SPECIFIC USE, WHETHER IT IS THAT HIGH TURNOVER OR NOT.
WE JUST, WE JUST, ONE THING TO BE, IF WE JUST GOTTA PAUSE AND STEP BACK THAT THE, THE EARLY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE D O T WERE BASED ON SOME ASSUMPTIONS AND SOME, SOME ASSUMED TRAFFIC LIMITS.
SO IT WASN'T WHICH ARE, WHICH, WHICH WERE CONSISTENT WITH A WAREHOUSE USE.
SO, SO THAT'S WHAT TYPE OF WAREHOUSE, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF WAREHOUSE USE.
THERE'S THE AMAZON LOCAL DELIVERY, THERE'S THE AMAZON, IT'S JUST STORED THERE AND, AND TRUCKLOAD.
SO THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WERE NOT, IT WAS NOT A LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THOSE MORE INTENSIVE WAREHOUSE USES.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING TO, TO REMEMBER THERE IS THAT, THAT A CONDITION OF OUR APPROVAL IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, WOULD BE THAT WE MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH THAT CONTEMPLATED USE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T GET A PROJECT APPROVED WITH A LIGHTER TRAFFIC, UM, LOAD AND THEN SWITCH IT.
COULD SO IF YOU COULD JUST, PAUL, PLEASE.
SO IF YOU, YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN CONCEPTUAL EARLY.
WHAT'S THE LARGEST, UH, LENGTH OF TRUCK THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED THIS FOR? WITH A TURN RADIUS? THAT'S A WB 67.
THAT'S YOUR FULL SIZE 53 FOOT TRAILER, UH, TRACTOR TRAILER.
IT'S DESIGNED FOR A FULL SIZE TRACTOR TRAILER.
UM, AND FOR THAT SIZE VEHICLE, HAVE YOU DONE ANY SITE DISTANCE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY DON'T LIKE ABOUT THESE TYPES OF WORK SESSIONS IS WE REALLY DON'T GET ANYTHING IN ADVANCE MOST OF THE TIME.
AND SO HERE WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND I WISH YOU WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION SO THAT WE COULD JUST THEN ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT IT
UM, BUT THIS IS INFORMATIVE AS WELL, BUT IS AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO GET SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT AS OPPOSED TO, HEY, HERE YOU ARE, ARE YOU ASKING US TODAY TO SAY, HEY, RAH, RAH RAH, GO AHEAD.
OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING, HEY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF.
AND WE SAY, WELL, OKAY, GOOD LUCK TO YOU SEE WHAT THE D D O T SAYS.
I THINK THE D O T IS GONNA HAVE A MAJOR, UM, FOOTPRINT, UH, FINGERPRINT ON THE SCALE HERE.
'CAUSE THEY COULD ACTUALLY SAY NO.
RIGHT? THEY COULD SAY NO LEFT TURNS AND ARE YOU PREPARED? IF THERE ARE NO LEFT TURNS TO STILL GO FORWARD WITH THIS, IT, AGAIN, WITHOUT THE LEFT TURNS, IT'S NOT A VIABLE PROJECT.
SO THE ANSWER, BUT AGAIN, BASED ON OUR PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, WITH THE DISCUSSION OF A WAREHOUSE USE ON THE PROPERTY, THAT'S IT.
AND THE FACT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY AT THE MAIN DRIVEWAY TO THE POINT OF THE PROXIMITY FROM THIS DRIVEWAY TO THE 87 INTERCHANGE TO THE SOUTH OF US, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE DISCUSSED AT A PRELIMINARY LEVEL.
AND AGAIN, WE FELT IT WAS POSITIVE AND WE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE THAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE D O T.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS, I JUST WANT TO JUST FINISH THIS OUT AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET.
BUT D O T RIGHT ON WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE TWO LANE ROAD, NOTHING LIKE THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON NINE A WOULDN'T ALLOW A DEVELOPMENT ON WEST HUDSON, SERRA AVENUE NOT TOO FAR FROM, UH, FROM, UH, FOUR CORNERS.
THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW A LEFT OUT.
SO THE FACT THAT THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF THEM SAYING YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT OUT IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
AND SECONDLY, IF IT IS THIS PROJECT'S DEAD,
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YOU'RE NOT GOING FORWARD.YOU SAY IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU'D WANNA WORK THAT OUT EARLY ON, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, YOU RAISE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE INCREASING BILLABLE HOURS AND FRANKLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I THINK, AND, AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AGAIN, THERE'S INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE D O T.
WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE BELIEVE IT'S VIABLE, OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED LONG BEFORE THOSE BILLABLE HOURS TO BIOMED THAT WE SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE HAD THOSE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
WE BELIEVE IT'S A VIABLE STAGE.
I I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE TOWN BOARD THIS EVENING IS WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS? OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC IS ONE OF THEM A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT'S CLEAR AND UPFRONT AND FOREMOST WITH THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND DEVELOP SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION, IT WAS MORE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IF WE ARE ABLE TO OVERCOME THE D O T HURDLES, WHICH I BELIEVE WE ARE ABLE TO DO SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THEM TO SHOW THEM THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT PART OF US DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THEM FORMALLY WITHOUT PRESENTING SOMETHING TO THIS BOARD.
NOW THEN D O T SENDS CORRESPONDENCE TO THE TOWN AND THE TOWN KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS' FEEDBACK ON THE DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSED USE AND TAKE ALL THAT AND FOLD FOLDED INTO A MORE DEVELOPED APPLICATION AND A MORE REFINED PLANT.
I I HAD A QUESTION FOR GARRETT.
SO I THINK IT JUST, IT'S ALL PART OF THE PROCESS.
IF WE, UM, WANT TO PUT IN CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WE, LET'S SAY IT'S APPROVED FOR WAREHOUSE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE HOURS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONTROLS DOES THE TOWN BOARD HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS? SOME OF THAT IS ILLEGAL, SOME OF, SOME OF THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION.
NO, BUT I'M ASKING FROM A DEFLECTION.
NO, I'M JUST WONDERING A BASIC, IF WE APPROVE A WAREHOUSE AND EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, BY THE WAY, IT'S A WAREHOUSE, UH, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE TRAFFIC MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE WAREHOUSE IS APPROVED, COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A YEAR LATER COULD THEY COME BACK AND SAY, OH, YOU APPROVED THE WAREHOUSE, SORRY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A, A, A LARGER TENANT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WERE MADE AREN'T KEPT.
OR DO WE HAVE SOME CONTROLS? YEAH, I MEAN, LOOK, IF THERE'S EVEN THE PROSPECT OF OUR DESIRE TO SIGN A LEASE WITH A LAST MILE FULFILLMENT CENTER, IT BEHOOVES EVERYONE IN THE PROCESS, STATE TOWN APPLICANT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, UM, TENANT TO, TO, TO STUDY THAT THAT WAY AND, AND STUDY THAT, THAT THAT FULFILLMENT CENTER IMPACTS TO SEE IF INDEED IT CAN BE ACCEPTABLE AND MITIGATED PROPERLY.
UM, IF THERE'S NOT THE INTENT TO DO THAT OR THE PROSPECT TO DO THAT, CONCEIVABLY YEAH, THE APPLICANT CAN STUDY WHAT IT FELT WOULD BE THE MOST INTENSE USE.
AND I DO BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD THROUGH A SECRET PROCESS, A SITE PLAN PROCESS COULD CONDITION A HUNDRED PERCENT A NONFULFILLMENT CENTER USE IF THAT'S ALL THAT WAS REALLY STUDIED.
SO I DO THINK YOU WOULD RESERVE THAT.
UM, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THESE SOPHISTICATED FOLKS DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD TWICE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS IF IF THERE'S THAT PROSPECT, YOU WOULD, ONE WOULD EXPECT THE APPLICATION TO FULLY STUDY THAT.
THE OTHER QUE SUGGESTION THAT I HAVE JUST FROM LISTENING TO THIS PRESENTATION IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT IMPACTS UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG ARDSLEY, YOU KNOW, AND HASTINGS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, RIGHT.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? AND THIS IS JUST SORT OF, BECAUSE I REMEMBER ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTROVERSIES WE HAD YEARS AGO WAS THE JEFFERSON PROPOSAL, AND THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO BUILD HOUSING AND YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FREAKED OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY GOT A PETITION GOING, ALRIGHT, PAUL, NO CIZIK, IF I REMOVE YOUR SCREEN SHARING, IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SAME IMAGE FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
I'M, I'M NOT, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU PAUL.
NO, BUT I I DIDN'T FINISH MY QUESTION.
I'M TALKING ABOUT WHATS GOING ON THE SCREEN.
SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO RESHOW THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE IMAGE HE'S RIGHT THERE, PAUL.
WHY, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT
THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION I HAD IS, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE JUST FROM A CON, YOU KNOW, FROM A STRATEGY POINT TO PROVIDE THE, TO HAVE LIKE A MEETING WITH A COMMUNITY MM-HMM.
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VACANT.UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OPTIONS THAT YOU, WE WAREHOUSES ONE, THESE ARE THE PLUSES, THESE ARE THE MINUSES.
OPTION TWO, WE COULD HAVE MIXED USE HOUSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT.
GIVE THE COMMUNITY TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THEN, UM, THEN PEOPLE MAY, THEN IT MAY TURN OUT THAT, UH, THEN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF, IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO GET ABSOLUTELY TO THE END GAME BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
I THE PROCESS, I KNOW WHEN WE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, WHERE REGENERON IS, THAT TOOK GEARS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THERE WERE A LOT OF PROPOSALS AND FINALLY EVERYBODY AGREED AND THEN IT WENT LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, IT WENT PRETTY QUICKLY, RIGHT? AND I, I SORT OF THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE NO MATTER WHAT WE PROPOSE THERE OR DO THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME COMMUNITY CONCERNS NO MATTER WHAT.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE OPTION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, GOING BACK TO ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS WHY WAREHOUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT SURE MADE YOU DETERMINE THAT THAT WAS THE BEST USAGE? SO, SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TOO, TO YOUR POINT, PAUL, IS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS THE, AS OF RIGHT DENSITY ON THE SITE IS ROUGHLY 600,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WHILE TODAY WE ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THE ORDER OF 200,000 PLUS OF R D SPACE OF LAB SPACE, WE'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD 600,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO ONE OF DIEGO'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND HOW IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD SEE IF THE BUILDINGS WERE OCCUPIED TODAY.
AND OBVIOUSLY SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD SEE IF WE WERE TO BUILD OUT THE FULL 600,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAB OR OFFICE.
WITH THAT SAID, UM, LAB OR OFFICE, OUR NEITHER USE IS VIABLE.
UM, THE RENTS ARE TOO LOW, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE TOO HIGH, THE COST TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IS TOO HIGH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY THE DEMAND IS PRACTICALLY NON-EXISTENT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE BEST GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE SITE WORK COSTS ON THE SITE, WHICH ARE, ARE PRETTY HIGH GIVEN THE STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THIS IS THE ONE USE THE FARM, RIGHT? FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT, BUT NO, I KNOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH CAVEATS, UM, AND THE OTHER, JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I THINK THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT GOING NORTH TOWARDS, UM, TOWARDS ARDSLEY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT AT LEAST TRUCKS COMING OFF OF THE, THE HIGHWAY, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T GET ON FROM THERE, BUT THEY CAN GET OFF.
THEY HAVE TO GO FURTHER TO GET ON.
IT MISSES THE, THE BRIDGE TRAFFIC TO SOME EXTENT, BUT IT STILL CAN MESS UP THAT BRIDGE TRAFFIC.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE IN THE AM I MEAN, DURING RUSH HOUR.
THE BIG PLUS IS THAT THIS IS A CONCEPT STAGE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE THING IS, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'D CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION BY COMING UP WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
WE HAVE A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH, UH, WITH A COMMUNITY, WE GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UM, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE DESIGN COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED PLANS, YOU'LL HAVE SORT OF AN IDEA, UH, WHAT WHAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE APPROVED, WHAT THE, WHAT THE VILLAGES AND RESIDENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE.
AND I THINK THAT IT COULD SAVE YOU A LOT OF TIME AND THE, AND MONEY IN THE LONG, IN THE LONG TERM BECAUSE WE, IT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS RIGHT, IS, YOU KNOW, A HALLMARK OF ANY GOOD PROJECT, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT COMMUNITY INPUT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T WANNA GO TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE WE CAME TO YOU.
UM, SIMILAR TO PROCEEDING ANY FURTHER WITH THE D O T, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT FOR THE, THE SITE.
UM, AGAIN, STRESSING THAT THIS IS AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS NOT BEEN FULLY DESIGNED.
UM, WE WANTED TO SEEK YOUR INPUT AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FORMULATING OUR PLANS SO THAT WE CAN FOLD THAT IN.
YOU'RE, I THINK THIS IS REALLY, UH, UH, FANTASTIC, UM, INITIAL ACTION STEP FROM, FROM, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE BASICALLY YOU'RE BEING TRANSPARENT.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, YOU'RE NOT RAMMING ANYTHING, UH, DOWN ANYBODY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SAYING WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
UH, AND IT GIVES EVERYBODY TIME TO DIGEST AND, AND WE COULD HAVE A LOT OF, SOME GIVE AND TAKE AND THEN IF EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER IN PARTNERSHIP, WE'LL COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL WILL BE THE BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY FOR EVERYBODY.
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SO I'M REALLY, I REALLY WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU'RE HANDLING THIS AND I, I FEEL THAT ALL DEVELOPERS, IF THEY CAME IN AT THE CONCEPT STAGE, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE GREAT.PARTNERSHIP IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, SO NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY FINISH THE PRESENTATION.
BUT, BUT JUST BEFORE, IN A POINT OF CLARITY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I, I HEARD PREPARING THE ALTERNATIVES FOR COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS POINT STANDPOINT FOR LOOKING HOW THESE TWO WOULD COMPARE IS UNDER UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE CERTAIN THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE WAREHOUSE USES WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS TO SEE COMPARISON IMPACTS TO SAY MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING MULTIFAMILY.
OBVIOUSLY THE PROPOSAL IS TO COME WITH A WAREHOUSE USE.
SO, BUT LET'S, BUT LET'S SAY HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES, BUT, BUT LET'S SAY YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, LET'S SAY YOU SAID THIS AREA COULD HA HAVE A THOUSAND, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OBJECTED TO THE 500 UNITS OR 700 UNITS YEARS AGO.
SO THEN PEOPLE WILL, IF YOU, IF YOU 270, WHAT? 270? IT WAS 270 UNITS, 2 72 SOMETHING.
THEY, THEY WANT CRAZY OVER THAT.
SO THE THING IS, IF PEOPLE, IF YOU GIVE PEOPLE, IF YOU HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION AND GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTIONS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD WORK, YOU KNOW, IN CONCEPT, I THINK THAT YOU MAY LAND UP GETTING TO THE PLACE THAT YOU BASICALLY, ONE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO BE THIS, THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA, PEOPLE MAY, UH, YOU KNOW, OBJECT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO USE YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GIVING THE COMMUNITY EARLY ON DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAN MAYBE, MAYBE IT COULD BE, MAYBE IT WILL BE A, A LITTLE DIFFERENT, MAYBE SOME WAREHOUSE, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S, THERE'S COMPROMISE IDEAS THAT PEOPLE COULD, WOULD BE HAPPY WITH, YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, UH, NO, WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TONIGHT.
THIS IS EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, FULL FRANK, HONEST QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK.
SO, UM, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL TO US AS WE GO BACK AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE NEXT STEPS AND, AND GREAT.
I THINK WE'RE GOOD INTO OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
UM, WE ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, SAL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO NO, I THINK WE COVERED, NO, I, I, I AGREE.
UM, WE HAD A FEW MORE SLIDES, BUT THE LAST ONE WAS GONNA BE A Q AND A AND I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER.
SO
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER SLIDES ARE CERTAINLY.
YOU WANNA SHARE THAT, PAUL? AND CAN YOU SEND US THE POWERPOINT? RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UM, SENDING THE POWER BECAUSE IT IS SO CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT, AND IT'S NOT A PROPOSED PROJECT.
UM, WE'D PREFER TO, TO NOT HAVE HARD COPIES OF THE, OF THE POWERPOINT.
WE CAN SHARE THE SLIDE, THE REST OF THE SLIDES ON THE SCREEN HERE TONIGHT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS BEING RECORDED, UM, AND CAN BE REFERRED BACK TO.
SO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE RENDERINGS.
UH, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT DID START LOOKING AT THE, UH, BUILDING DESIGN AND SOME VIEW SHEDS OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE ROADWAY, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE JUST SOME PRELIMINARY AND CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE ROADWAY ITSELF.
THE BUILDING SET BACK SITS AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER ELEVATION.
YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT, AND THIS IS AS IF YOU'RE STANDING OR JUST OFF OF SAW MILL RIVER ROAD ITSELF.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE VIEWS THAT LOOKS DIRECTLY IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL.
UM, IS THAT, THAT'S A SIDEWALK OVER THERE WHERE THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ALONG THE, SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS, UH, THAT DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO CORNERS OF THE BUILDING, UH, ON THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY THERE.
SO YOU'RE SEEING THE DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANY OF THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD, YOU WOULD DO A SIDEWALK? WELL, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED.
BUT, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE COMMUNITY AND WORKING IN GREENBURG, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT GETS INCORPORATED INTO PRETTY MUCH EVERY PROJECT WE DO.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD BE A COMPONENT THAT WOULD, UH, BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN, BUT THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS RENDERING HERE.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE PERCEIVED AS A, A SIDEWALK THAT IS A DRIVEWAY.
I, NEXT ONE, I LIKE THE LANDSCAPING
AND THEN BACK, UH, SAL, JUST TO WRAP UP, I GUESS, SO JUST TO RECAP, I THINK THE TAX REVENUE IS PROBABLY THE, THE FOCUS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE MUCH OF A, A PATH FORWARD WITH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE AND INCREASES THE TAX REVENUE, WHICH IS WHAT WE THINK THIS ONE IS.
UM, AGAIN, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT ON SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC IS AS COMPARED TO A FULLY OCCUPIED
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EXISTING USE, UM, OBVIOUSLY NO IMPACT TO SCHOOLS.UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELIMINATE THESE ANCIENT BUILDINGS AND REPLACE THEM WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, NEW, FRESH, NEW LANDSCAPING SIDEWALKS, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, HOW OLD WAS, WHEN WAS THE BUILDINGS BUILT? OH MY GOD, THOSE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT AT LEAST FIFTIES.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE FIFTIES AT LEAST.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE DINOSAURS I GUESS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF LAB BUILDINGS, LIFE SCIENCE BUILDINGS, UM, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME PERMANENT JOBS FOR THE AREA.
UM, AND THEN WHATEVER FUTURE SERVICES COME OUT OF THE BUILDING.
SO, AND THEN WE GET TO THE Q AND A SLIDE, I BELIEVE, RIGHT AFTER.
DID ACORDA MOVE OR DID THEY DO, YOU KNOW, ACORDA CONSOLIDATED.
UM, THEY WERE STRUGGLING FOR A WHILE AND THEY ENDED UP REALLY EXITING THIS SITE, CONSOLIDATING TO ANOTHER LOCATION THAT THEY HAD.
SO I BRING THE MICROPHONE CLOSER, GARRETT, AS YOU DEVELOP THIS CONCEPT AND, AND IF YOU DO WORK YOUR WAY TOWARDS A FORMAL APPLICATION, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2016 DID ENVISION, YOU KNOW, THRIVING LIFE SCIENCE R AND D SECTOR, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU'VE TAKEN A PEEK AT THAT, THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
UM, AND YOU TOUCHED ON THIS IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE MARKET AND, UM, RIGHT, THE, THE, THE MERE FACT THAT A ACCORD IS NO LONGER THERE.
BUT I DO THINK AS PART OF AN APPLICATION, YOU WOULD REALLY WANT TO, UM, JUST GET, GET IN A BIT ABOUT MARKET DYNAMICS, GET INTO IT A BIT WITH MARKET DYNAMICS, AND, UM, REALLY RATIONALIZE HOW, UM, THAT VISION, WHILE
UM, IF, UH, IF YOU KNOW, REGENERON LIKE EVERY, YOU KNOW, COUPLE WEEKS IS EXPANDING PRACTICALLY, UM, IF WOULD REGENERON OR ANY OTHER BIOTECH, IF, IF YOU DEMOLISHED THE BUILDINGS, WOULD ANY OTHER BIO, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES, UH, BE INTERESTED IN POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPING ON THAT SITE.
SO REGENERON WAS, THEIR CAMPUS WAS PREVIOUSLY OURS.
WE SOLD IT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.
UM, AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS HERE, REGENERON HAS A LOT OF EXPANSION CAPACITY IN THEIR EXISTING CAMPUS, SO WE DON'T SEE A POINT IN TIME WHERE THEY WILL NEED OR ANYBODY ELSE, OR ANYONE ELSE.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THE ANYONE ELSE NOW FOR THE BETTER PART OF FIVE YEARS AND THEY HAVEN'T SHOWED UP YET.
SO YEAH, I THINK IF, IF BIOMED HAD ITS WAY, IT WOULD LOVE TO, IT WOULD LOVE TO RELEASE THIS TO IT TOOL.
I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS IT WAY WE LIFE SCIENCE BUSINESS.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT WITHIN THEIR
BUT, UM, THE MARKET JUST ISN'T THERE, I THINK IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE MARKET HAS SHIFTED DRAMATICALLY NATIONWIDE IN THE LAST YEAR.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST A FACT THAT IT'S GONNA MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT HERE.
VERY THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
IS MARIA COMING ON BY? NO, NO.
YEAH, SHE'S NOT GONNA, I, I SAW HER LEAVING EARLIER, SO I SHE'S NOT GONNA HELP.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BUDGET TYPE.
YOU KNOW, BUDGET, I SHOW, YOU KNOW, AND I BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, I COULD PUT IT, WE COULD DISCUSS IT DURING THE BUDGET PRESENT, BUT WE WANTED TO HEAR A PRESENTATION.
WE WANTED TO HEAR A PRESENTATION.
SO THEN WE COULD DO IT NEXT WEEK.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MARK SOJA IS HERE.
SHE SENT OUT TWO DIFFERENT, TWO AGENDAS FOR THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK WE WERE GONNA HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ISSUE WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY REGARDING THAT.
SUPPOSED TO HAVE REGENERON HERE NOW.
THE GAR GARY NEXT WEEK SAID NEXT WEEK.
UM, UNLESS, UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MARKS HERE.
IF WE COULD JUST HEAR, WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MARIA, QUITE FRANKLY.
WELL, WHAT MARIA? UH, BUT, UH, UH, LET ME ASK, SO WOULD WE WANNA JUST HEAR FROM MARK SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN SOME EMAILS AND HE'S HERE ALREADY, RATHER THAN MAKE HIM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY RESENT YOU MANIPULATING THE AGENDA.
IT'S NOT MANIPULATING HE'S HERE.
WAS IT, IT WENT OUT LIKE THIS.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT.
YOU TAKE MARIA OFF, WHO IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AS A HISPANIC LIAISON.
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SHE HAS CONCERNS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS.SHE'S DOING IT AS A VOLUNTEER AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME, BUT SHE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S CONTINUITY IN THAT POSITION.
AND I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING, UH, WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY.
SO WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR NEXT WEEK.
IT'S NO PRO, IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
IT WAS ON LAST WEEK AND THEN IT WAS TAKEN OFF, AND THEN WE PUT IT ON THIS WEEK.
SO WE'LL PUT IT, WE'LL PUT IT ON DEFINITELY NEXT WEEK.
YOU CAN TALK AND SCHEDULE A PERMITS THEN.
RIGHT? BUT I'M SAYING IF, UH, IF MRS. SOER IS HERE, COULD WE JUST HEAR HIS THOUGHTS AND MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS AND IF WE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WASN'T A COMMUNITY SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
WE WE COULD, WE COULD INVITE THE COMMUNITY NEXT WEEK IF WE, WE HAVE TO WHILE HE'S HERE, RATHER THAN HAVE, SO IS HE GONNA COME BACK? HE CAN COME NEXT, HE COME BACK NEXT WEEK AS IS HE GONNA ABLE TO COME BACK FOR THE COMMUNITY? I THINK, I ASSUME I, EITHER I OR FROM MANAGER COMPANY WILL COME BACK NEXT WEEK HERE, BUT I KNOW THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTED TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH YOU, SO, RIGHT.
BUT THAT WE THIS'S WAY HE COULD SAY HIS PLAN AND THEN THEY COULD ALWAYS RESPOND.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE, THERE'S NO, I MEAN, I, MR. SOLDIER, ALL DUE RESPECT, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU AND EX THAT YOU HEAR THEM DIRECTLY WITH US.
SO I'M JUST, I'M, YEAH, IT'S FINE.
'CAUSE I MEAN, WE HAD, WE HAD A SCHEDULE.
NOW IT'S ALL TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.
I'M, AND NO, NOT YOU, IT'S NOT YOU, NOT YOU, AND NO DISRESPECT TO YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED IN IT, WE'RE NOT A PARTY THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY AND GET LEGAL ADVICE AS TO WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.
AND THEN HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION WITH US, FULLY AWARE OF WHAT OUR LEGAL CAPABILITIES ARE, RESPONSIBILITIES AND, AND DEFICITS ARE AS TO HOW WE PROCEED AS OPPOSED TO THE WAY IT'S, IT'S BEEN TYPICALLY DONE WHERE INVITE YOU UP, HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE MAKE STATEMENTS, AND THEN LATER ON OUR TOWN ATTORNEY WILL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER WHEN WE GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE DO.
SO WHY DON'T WE DISCUSS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT AND THEN IF, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, HOPEFULLY INVITE MARK AND RESIDENTS BACK NEXT WEEK AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND GIVE NOTICE OUT TO EVERYBODY IF THAT'S HOW WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SORRY I WASN'T NO, THAT'S OKAY.
NO, NO, NO FAULT OF YOUR APPRECI.
APPRECIATE AND WE'LL, WE'D APPRECIATE.
I JUST CONSIDER IT AS, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF GETTING EXTRA STEPS, YOU KNOW,
REGENERON, IT'S GOT MORE SAID NEXT WEEK.
THE INTENT WAS FOR THAT TO BE, UH, NEXT TUESDAY.
AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE I, UH, RELAYED THAT TO JOAN PROPERLY.
YOU JUST CLEARED THEIR ENTIRE SCHEDULE.
OH, WE GOT A LONG SCHEDULE, RIGHT? ALRIGHT, NOW, WHATEVER.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU STILL WANNA STAY NEXT TO ME? YOU CAN MOVE DOWN SOMEWHERE.
YOU CAN EVEN SHIFT TO THE OTHER CHAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
SO WE FINALIZED THE 2023 ASSESSMENT ROLE AND, OKAY, SO WE FINALIZED THE 2023 ASSESSMENT ROLE.
AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS THAT THE PETITIONERS HAVE 30 DAYS TO FILE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY SUPREME COURT.
THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 10 DAYS FROM WHEN THEY FILE THAT DATE.
WHEN THEY FILE IT TO DELIVER IT.
UM, IT'S CALLED PROPER SERVICE.
AND THEY, THAT PROPER SERVICE IS DEFINED AS ALL, WHICHEVER SCHOOL DISTRICT THEY'RE IN.
THEY HAVE TO DELIVER A COPY, WHICHEVER VILLAGE THEY'RE IN, IF APPLICABLE, THEY HAVE TO DELIVER A COPY TO THE TOWN CLERK.
THEY HAVE TO DELIVER A COPY AND TO THE ASSESSOR.
AND SO WHAT HAS HISTORIC AND COUNTY TREASURER AND COUNTY TREASURER, RIGHT? SORRY.
WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY HAPPENED IS THAT THE PETITIONS I, I HAVE AS THE ASSESSOR REQUESTED, UM, BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT MAINTAINS THEM WHEN WE GO TO WEST, WHEN WE GO TO SUPREME COURT, I TESTIFY, I PREPARE, I TESTIFY AND WHATEVER.
UM, WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING OF LATE IS THAT THERE ARE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TAXPAYERS WHO HIRE REPRESENTATIVES AND SOME OF WHOM, UM,
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DON'T FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW.SO, AND INTENTIONALLY, NOT INTENTIONALLY.
I, I, I DON'T MAKE CLAIM, I'M SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS IS THAT THERE'S BEEN TAX REPRESENTATIVES WHO HAVE NOT FILED, UM, HAVE NOT GIVEN PROPER SERVICE AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE WERE 183.
OH, KEN, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE YOU UP THERE.
UM, THERE WERE 183 PETITIONS THAT WERE NOT PROPERLY SERVED, THAT WERE DISMISSED IN COURT.
SO THAT SAVED THE TOWN BECAUSE, AND I'M, I HATE TO SOUND LIKE I'M BRAGGING, BUT BECAUSE OF ME AND JOE DANKO, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, UM, BECAUSE OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE, THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND.
WE MADE THE MOTIONS TO COURT AND THE COURT, AND THE JUDGE DISMISSED THE CASES 183.
SO GOING FORWARD, I AM MORE DILIGENT NOW BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING MORE OFTEN THAT I SEND AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TO THE, TO THE SIX VILLAGES, TO THE 10 SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND TO THE TOWN CLERK.
AND IN MY OFFICE, WE MAINTAIN THAT DATA.
THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY? NO, NOT THE COUNTY.
UM, IS IT STATE OR THE COUNTY HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY CLERK AND THAT'S HOW THEY, THAT'S HOW THEY COMMUNICATE.
COUNTY CLERK IS THE ONE THAT PROVIDES THE DATA FOR THE COUNTY.
SO THEY MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP.
SO WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN THE PAST ON OCTOBER 25TH, IS THE DEADLINE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN.
UM, AND I GET A RECORD, AN AFFIDAVIT, UM, A AFFIRMATION OF SERVICE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE VILLAGES OF THE PETITIONS THAT WERE SERVED.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING, SORRY.
SO AND SO, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE ASKED THE TOWN CLERK TO DO THE SAME BECAUSE I FOUND ISSUES THAT THE TOWN CLERK WAS NOT SERVED.
I WAS THE TOWN CLERK, WASN'T THE SCHOOLS, AND THE VILLAGES WERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT FALLING AS CLEANLY AS IT IS.
SO I ASKED FOR PARTICIPATION FROM THE THREE OTHER, JURIS, THREE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SCHOOLS, VILLAGES, AND TOWN CLERK TO HELP, UM, KEEP TRACK.
WHEN I HAVE TO GO TO COURT ON THESE CASES, I HAVE TO TESTIFY THAT I ASSESS HER FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND IN RECEIPT OF A PETITION THAT WAS SERVED ON ME, I HAVE THE AFFIDAVIT FROM THE TOWN OR FROM THE SCHOOLS AND THE VILLAGES THAT THEIR PETITIONS WERE SERVED ON THEM.
THE PROBLEM HERE, AND I HATE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION 'CAUSE IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, UM, I CAN'T SEEM TO GET THE WORK, I CAN'T SEEM TO GET THE AFFIDAVIT OUTTA THE TOWN CLERK.
SO I ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN STEPPING IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S COSTING THE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY COST THE TOWN DEFINITELY TIME AND MONEY.
IF WE GO TO TRIAL ON THESE, AND I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE TOWN CLERK HAS BEEN SERVED OR NOT SERVED, AND I SETTLE A CASE THAT'S MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PAY BACK, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.
AND THE TOWN CLERK AND I COMMUNICATED BACK AND FORTH VIA EMAIL, NEVER ONCE, UH, VERBAL CONVERSATION, BUT VIA EMAIL.
AND THE LAST COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD WAS THAT SHE WAS GONNA MAKE A COPY OF THE PETITIONS THAT SHE RECEIVED AND GIVE ME A COPY.
I DON'T GET A COPY BACK FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, NOR DO I GET THE COPIES BACK FROM THE VILLAGES.
I GET A, AN AFFIDAVIT OR AN AFFIRMATION FROM THE EXCEL SPREADSHEETS WITH THEIR SIGNATURES AND DATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M ASKING THE TOWN CLERK FOR THE SAME THING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
SO I, LAST WEEK I WAS SUPPOSED TO COME AND YOU GUYS WERE LIKE, OVERWHELMINGLY BUSY.
UM, I ASKED THE TOWN CLERK VIA EMAIL TO JOIN ME HERE TO MAYBE WE CAN WORK THIS OUT TOGETHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO GO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.
IT'S MY JOB TO, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY DEFEND THE ASSESSMENTS, BUT TO REPRESENT THE TOWN IN THESE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS.
I CAN'T DO THAT IF I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, JOE, DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS FAR AS YOU NEED ALL THOSE AFFIDAVITS? I I DO AGREE THAT YOU NEED SOME SORT OF PROOF FROM EACH OF THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS OR EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS.
IF THERE WAS TO COME TO A TIME THAT A MOTION TO DISMISS WOULD HAVE TO BE FILED, WE WOULD NEED AN AFFIDAVIT FROM WHICHEVER DEPARTMENT HEAD WAS IMPROPERLY SERVED OR NOT SERVED AT ALL TO SIGN OFF THAT AFTER DUE DILIGENCE SEARCH, UM, SERVICE WAS NOT PROPER, OR SERVICE DID NOT OCCUR.
AND WHAT'S IT, SO IN EFFECT, AN AFFIDAVIT WOULD BE PROACTIVE IN CASE SUCH A SITUATION OCCURRED? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE? WELL, IT, TO FILE IT WITH THE COURT IN THE FORMAT, THE, THE FORMAT NOW WOULD NOT BE FOR A COURT PROCEEDING, BUT IT COULD BE TURNED INTO ONE LATER ON.
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SO WHAT'S THE DEADLINE? SO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE VILLAGES IS THAT THEY, THEY HAVE THE SPREADSHEET THAT I CREATED AND BY OCTOBER 25TH IS THE DEADLINE.SO PROBABLY THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS IN NOVEMBER, UM, THEY RETURN THE SPREADSHEETS BACK TO ME AND THEN I VERIFY THEIR DATA WITH MY DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER SERVICE ALL AROUND.
SO JOE, JOE, JOE, CAN YOUR OFFICE, CAN YOUR OFFICE PREPARE THE AFFIDAVIT PRESENTED TO THE TOWN CLERK FOR HER SIGNATURE AND THEN GIVE IT TO EDEDIE? SO THE AFFIDAVITS THAT I TYPICALLY DEAL WITH ARE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO IT, IT WOULD BE THE CASE NAME VERSUS THE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
AND THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC TO EVERY SINGLE CASE.
SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT LISTS HERE.
ONE, OVERALL CONFIRMING WHAT HAS BEEN SERVED AS OPPOSED TO LATER ON, IF SOMETHING WAS NOT SERVED AN AFFIDAVIT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT CASE.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE TO SIGN ONE AFFIDAVIT FOR EVERY SINGLE CASE AT THIS MOMENT, BUT JUST AN OVERALL REVIEW.
ALL THE CASES CAN'T, I DON'T THINK KEN IS ASKING FOR ONE ONE.
YOU'RE ASKING COULD HE DO THE BOILERPLATE OF THE AFFIDAVIT AND THEN AS THE CLER RECEIVES, UH, OR GOES BACK AND CHECKS THE RECORD SHE FILL IN THE CASES THAT SHE'S RECEIVED.
SEE, WE SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE
WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, YES.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, UM, THE CASES THAT WERE SERVED UPON THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS.
WE NEED THE CASES THAT WERE NOT.
UM, IIE HAS TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED, UM, THE FACTS HERE.
UM, AND EMAIL DOCUMENTATION WILL BEAR OUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD BACK AND FORTH.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHE INCLUDED EACH OF YOU, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS, ON THIS ISSUE LAST YEAR, UH, FOR, FOR 14 YEARS.
THE PROCEDURE WAS TO THE, UM, HAVE THE, THE PETITIONS WERE DELIVERED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, CLERK'S OFFICE, TIMESTAMP, DATE STAMP THE PETITIONS AND DELIVERED THEM TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
UM, THE ASSESSOR HAS COME UP WITH A PROCEDURE THAT SHE, UM, INTRODUCED LAST YEAR, AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, PARTICIPATED IN THIS, THIS NEW PROCEDURE.
WE HAD A PART-TIME STAFF PERSON AT THE TIME WHO, THAT, THAT'S ALL HE DID WAS TO ENTER IN, IT'S, IT'S A MAJORITY OF WHAT HE DID.
75% OF WHAT HE DID WAS TO ENTER IN, UM, THIS DATA.
AND THIS YEAR WE DO NOT HAVE THAT PART-TIME PERSON.
UM, GIVEN THE INCREASE OF REQUESTS OF TASKS TO BE DONE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, I ASKED, I REQUESTED THAT THE TOWN BOARD EXPAND THE PART-TIME POSITION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO A FULL-TIME POSITION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ACCOMMODATION OF, OF THESE ADDITIONAL TASKS, INCLUDING, UM, THIS ONE THAT WE DO.
SO I OFFERED, UM, TO DOCUMENT THE RECEIPT OF THE CERTS BY DOING THE, GOING THROUGH THE USUAL PROCEDURE OF TIMESTAMPING.
THERE'S NO WAY I CAN DENY DOING IT.
I, I DON'T WANT TO, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CHOOSE TO DENY.
I CHOOSE TO DO WHAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT VIA, YOU KNOW, LAW.
AND, UM, SO WE ARE DOCUMENTING THE RECEIPT OF THE CERTS BY MAKING A COPY OF THE FRONT SHEET THAT WE RECEIVE AND HOLDING ONTO THAT COPY FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.
UM, SHOULD THERE BE ANY, UM, CHALLENGES? UM, SOME MANY OF THEM COME IN AND TRIPLICATE.
AND I EMAILED ED AND ASKED HER COULD WE KEEP ONE OF THE THREE COPIES ALSO AS EVIDENCE? SHE SAID, YES.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM HERE IS THAT, UM, THEY DON'T ALL COME IN TRIP TRIPLETS.
SO I SAID, OKAY, SO WE'LL KEEP THE COPY OF THE ONES THAT ARE SERVED TO US IN TRIPLICATE, AND WE'LL MAKE A COPY OF THE FRONT SHEET OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT.
SO WE ARE DOCUMENTING, THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS DOCUMENTING RECEIPT OF THE CERTS.
AND SO ALL OF WHAT SHE SAID WAS A MISREPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH.
MAY I ASK? WE ARE PARTICIPATING.
SO IT WOULD, AND WE ARE COOPERATED.
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THE SCHOOLS, THE 10 SCHOOLS AND THE SIX VILLAGES ALL FELT THAT IT WAS QUICKER, MORE EXPEDITIOUS TO USE THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET THE PETITIONS IN, YOU JUST CHECK A BOX.AND THAT'S WHAT I PROPOSED TO THE TOWN CLERK TO JUST GET THE PETITIONS IN AND CHECK A BOX.
THIS WAY IT'S EASIER, UM, TO VERIFY WHETHER, WHETHER THE CLERK HAS BEEN SERVED OR NOT.
WE KNOW WHAT THE CLERK HAS BEEN SERVED BECAUSE THERE'S THE, SHE APPARENTLY HAS A COPY OF THE PETITIONS.
SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S THE ONES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SERVED IS THE PROBLEM.
MAY MAY I JUST SEE IF I UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO WHAT THE CLERK IS DOING IS THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT THE CLERK IS DOING, HOWEVER, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR IS A STREAMLINED PROCESS SO THAT IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO A JUDGE, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, EACH INDIVIDUAL DOCUMENT, AND THEN MAKE THE DEC FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF WHAT WAS AND WHAT FIGURE OUT FOR YOURSELF WHAT WAS AND WASN'T.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
I DON'T WANNA BE DISRESPECTFUL, BUT IT'S EASIER FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO DO THAT.
NOT THAT'S THAT ONCE IT GETS TO THAT POINT, IT GOES TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
SO
YOU HAVE SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR TAX RIGHT NOW?
I AM SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR THAT.
SO, TO, TO FIND A, A WAY THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE TWO, THREE DEPARTMENTS RIGHT, IS TO BE ABLE TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE WORK IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE BY NOT HAVING TO MAKE COPIES, NOT HAVING TO SUBMIT ALL THE COPIES, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE A, UM, AN EXCEL SHEET THAT WOULD JUST CHECK OFF.
SO THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE WORK ON HER END AS WELL AS MAKE IT CLEAR, MORE CLEAR FOR YOU.
AM I, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO? SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN COPIES OF THE SMALL CLAIMS FROM THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE.
THEY'RE THE TOWN CLERKS, RECORDS OFFICER, TOWN CLERKS.
UM, I HAVE MY OWN COPIES THAT I GET.
THEY KEEP THEM, THE VILLAGES HAVE THEIRS.
SO TECHNICALLY AS YOU'RE TALKING, UM, IT POPPED INTO MY HEAD, I DON'T REALLY WANT THOSE COPIES OF THAT.
WELL, THAT ALL JUST HOLD ON, PLEASE.
I JUST HAD A THOUGHT AS YOU WERE SAYING THAT, WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, IS THAT, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I THINK WE CAN DO IS AT THE END OF THE DAY AND OCTOBER 25TH, WHICH IS THE DEADLINE, I WILL GIVE THE TOWN CLERK A COPY OF THE RE OF THE SCARS THAT I RECEIVED, AND THEN PERHAPS YOU CAN VERIFY AGAINST YOUR LIST.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THE TOWN CLERK TO CERTIFY THAT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT SHE RECEIVED AND NO OTHERS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE ONES THAT SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE.
SO IF SHE, UM, PROVIDES AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THESE ARE ALL OF THE ONES THAT CAME INTO HER OFFICE, 'CAUSE SHE KEPT COPIES OF THE, OF THEM AS THEY CAME IN, UM, SHE COULD THEN FILE AN AFFIDAVIT WITH A LIST OF THE ONE SHE RECEIVED.
WELL, WELL, WE ARE A FEW STEPS AHEAD OF YOU HERE IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE ACQUIRED A LIST.
ONE, ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS BROUGHT A LIST OF ALL THE CERTS TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND SO THE STAFF WHO ARE ASSIGNED TO RECEIVE THE CERTS HAVE THAT LIST AND THEY'RE ABLE TO RECORD AND, UH, WRITE AND INITIAL, UM, WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE CERTS.
SO WE HAVE THAT LIST AND WE WILL BE KEEPING A RECORD OF IT IN ADDITION TO MAKING THE COPIES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DOING A, UM, A DOUBLE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THIS MATTER.
BUT YOU NEED THE CERTIFICATION AS NO, I'M FINE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, THAT'S A RESOLUTION.
THERE WAS NO, THIS IS FANTASTIC.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE DOING THAT.
OKAY, NEXT, UM, UH, RELATING TO, UH, NAMING OF INDIAN TRAIL AND MEMORY OF CLEO OLIVER, WE ALL, UM, SAID THAT WE THOUGHT THIS SHOULD BE DONE, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
AND SHE PASSED AWAY OVER A YEAR AGO.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE AN HONORARY STREET DESIGNATION IN HER, UH, HONOR AND IN HER MEMORY.
WE SAID WE WOULD, BUT WE WANTED TO WAIT, UM, YOU KNOW, A PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT PERIOD OF TIME HAS, UH, HAS PASSED.
SO, COULD WE PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA? UH, WELL, I'M IN CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY, SO I'D RATHER DEAL WITH WAIT AND
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I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FAMILY'S AVAILABLE.NO, I'M JUST SAYING, COULD WE JUST, UH, AUTHORIZE? WELL, I THINK THE FAMILY SHOULD BE HERE, SO IT SHOULD BE A FULL OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
WE USUALLY IN THAT AUTHORIZATION SAY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
UM, THERE'S A RESOLUTION TO THAT, PAUL.
WHAT IS THE STATUS? OH, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
THE, FOR THE BARBARA PERRY, UH, YOU KNOW, NAMING THAT, UH, YOU HAD SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, ISN'T THE COMMUNITY, UM, I THINK THE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY BOARD IS GONNA BE, UH, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY HAVE BEEN SHARING.
THAT'S, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
AND THIS IS HOW THESE MEETINGS GET.
WELL, THIS IS ONLY ONE SECOND THING.
IT'S REALLY NOT IN BECAUSE WE'RE HONORING CLEO OLIVER.
WE SAID WE WOULD, AND NOW AT THE SAME TIME, THE FOCUS SWITCHES AWAY FROM CLEO OLIVER.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON CLEO OLIVER, AT LEAST FOR A FEW WEEKS, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO ONE OPPOSED TO DOING SOMETHING VERY SIGNIFICANT TO BARBARA, BUT WE SHOULD BE DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO AND HONOR CLEO OLIVER AND DEAL WITH THAT, DEAL WITH THE FAMILY, HAVE THE CELEBRATION, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON SO THAT WE DON'T DIMINISH OUR FOCUS AND CONCERN FOR CLEO, WHO WE PROMISED LAST YEAR, WE WOULD DO.
AND THIS IS THE TIME, PAUL, YOU PRESIDE OVER THE MEETINGS BY NEW YORK STATE LAW AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BRING UP, UM, THE NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON, UM, REPRESENT WITH RESPECT TO A RESOLUTION THAT WAS PRESENTED TWO WEEKS AGO TO NOT ONLY NAME THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE THEATER DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, THE BARBARA WATSON PRAIRIE EXTENSION, BUT ALSO TO NAME BEACH STREET BETWEEN MANHATTAN AVENUE AND WASHINGTON PLACE TO PLA PLACE A COMMEMORATIVE STREET SIGN IN THE SAME RESPECT OF HONORING CLEO.
UM, ON, ON THAT, UM, IN, IN HONOR OF BARBARA WATSON PRAIRIE.
AND, UM, NEITHER RESOLUTIONS WERE RES WERE RESPONDED TO WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTED.
AND SO YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO NO, I'M, WELL, ALL I SAID IS, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE THEATER YOUNG, THE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY BOARD MM-HMM.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD DO IT IN OCTOBER AND THEN WE COULD MOVE ON.
BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY BASICALLY RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF HONORING EXACTLY.
THIS IS NOT A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
AND, UM, AND WELL, IT'S BECOMING CONTROVERSIAL.
IT IT IS CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE THOSE OF US ON THE BOARD, RIGHT BEFORE THE LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING SAW AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT BY THE TOWN CLERK TO VARIOUS PEOPLE, SOME OF WHICH SHOWED UP AT TOWN HALL WITH HER GIVING THEM A QUOTE AS TO WHAT TO READ AT THE TOWN HALL SAYING THEY SUPPORT JUDITH IL'S RESOLUTION AS A RIGHT.
I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO COME AND SAY THEY SUPPORT BARBARA PERRY BEING HONORED.
BUT IT WAS, THE WHOLE FOCUS WAS ON THE TOWN CLERK.
NO, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE THE, THE FOCUS IS THAT THAT'S, LEMME JUST SAY, LEMME SAY SOMETHING.
LEMME JUST SAY, LEMME SAY SOMETHING.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT, HERE'S HOW WITH THIS, LEMME SAY, MS, THIS BECOMES A CIRCUS.
LET, IT'S NOT A CIRCUS, IT'S NOT LET JUST SAY NO, BUT LEMME JUST SAY ONE THING.
I AM RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY BOARD TAKE THIS UP AND PROVIDE US WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
WHY DON'T WE BRING OCTOBER THE FAMILY IN? WHY? BECAUSE WHY DON'T WE GIVE THEM TIME? WHY DON'T, BECAUSE KNOW, I'VE IN CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ON WHAT THE, HOW THE FAMILY IS RIGHT NOW.
SO, AND WE COULD, WE, WHY DON'T WE JUST GIVE THEM TIME? IT'S, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT GOING, NOT GOING TO GO FORWARD.
THIS IS, BUT THIS IS GOING FORWARD.
BUT MY CONCERN, BUT MY CONCERN IS VERY, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE FAMILY.
SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T, I KNOW THAT.
THERE IS A CONCERN FOR THE FAMILY, JUDY, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE FAMILY REACHED THE PROPER WAY TO DO THIS IS FOR CONCERNED ABOUT THE DAUGHTER.
I REACHED OUT TO HER DAUGHTER AND HER SISTERS.
I THINK KEN HAD SOMETHING TO SAY AS WELL.
THE PROPER WAY TO DO THIS IS TO, FOR PASS A RESOLUTION, ASKING THAT I REACHED OUT TO THEIR ADVISORY BOARD, BARBARA WATSON, PERRY'S FAMILY AND BARBARA SEA FAMILY APPROVED MOVE ON.
BARBARA PERRY'S WATSON PRAIRIE'S FAMILY APPROVED THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
I WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT GIVING DUE RESPECT TO HER DAUGHTER, JENNIFER PRAIRIE AND HER SON, JASON PRAIRIE, AS WELL AS HER SISTERS AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE THEATER AT DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
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SO PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO, UM, UH, MAKE IT SEEM AS IF THE FAMILY IS NOT A PART OF THIS.AND, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GRAB STRAWS, LOOKING FOR A REASON TO DELAY THIS.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE HAD AN OUTPOURING OF THE COMMUNITY HERE IN RESPONSE TO A VERY, VERY SAD AND TRAGIC OCCASION.
UM, A SITUATION WHERE A, A RESIDENT WAS KILLED ON EAST HEART STILL AVENUE AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR THAT PERSON.
I'M NOT EVEN GONNA MENTION HER NAME.
HOWEVER, VERY QUICKLY THIS BOARD AGREED TO NAME, UM, A, A, UM, AN AREA, UH, WITHIN THE, THE HARTSDALE AVENUE.
THAT WAS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS, AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS PROPOSED SOME, THE PARKING DISTRICT.
MY POINT MEETING, MY POINT IS, OKAY, WELL I WILL ADMIT, UM, UH, ERA, BUT MY POINT IS JUST THAT, UM, PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PROPOSED TO NAME THE SECOND FLOOR OF THEATER DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER AFTER BARBARA WATSON PRAIRIE, THE BARBARA WATSON PRAIRIE EXTENSION.
AND SEVERAL PEOPLE CON COMMENTED, THIS IS A NO-BRAINER.
WHY IS IT BEING DRAGGED OUT? WHY IS IT BEING DRAGGED ON? AND PAUL, UH, IN RESPECT, THE FAMILY DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY.
WELL, THE FAMILY, OKAY, THE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY BOARD, DON'T, WHO, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEY SPEAK, ADVISORY BOARD HAS AGREED THIS UP AT THEIR OCTOBER 4TH MEETING.
THAT'S WHAT I, AND THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
KEN, WOULD YOU START THAT AGAIN PLEASE? FOR SAYING THAT COMMUNITY CENTER IS GONNA TAKE IT UP.
BOARD HAS AGREED, TAKE THIS UP AT THEIR OCTOBER BOARD MEETING, AND THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD OF WHAT THEY FEEL SHOULD BE NAMED OR, OR, OR HOW THEY FEEL THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD RECOGNIZE BARBARA.
I ALSO JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT I HAVE SEVERAL EMAILS THAT I'VE RECEIVED OVER THE PAST WEEK FROM MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, THE, THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE ADVISE OF THE T D Y C C ADVISORY COMMITTEE STATING JUDITH, I AM VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
AND SO DID SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I I, AND MANY OF THEM WERE INCLUDED ON THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT OUT, GIVING THEM THE QUOTE OF WHAT TO SAY.
I, WELL, THAT HAS NOT NECESSARILY, PAUL HAS NOTHING TO WHAT'S IRRELEVANT.
LEMME JUST SAY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK AND NOT BE INTERRUPTED.
MISQUOTING, THE, THE, WHAT I SAID IN THE EMAIL WAS RIGHT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO PLEASE RESPOND IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION THAT, UM, I PROVIDED.
IT WAS NOT THE, THE WAY HE ALWAYS DISTORTS, UM, STUFF.
AND SO THEREFORE, WE SHOULD PUT THE EMAIL OUT THE PUBLIC.
HE ALWAYS, AND WE SHOULD ALSO ALSO REPLAY THE MEETING, THE LAST MEETING WHERE YOU SAID THAT THIS IS A CHILDISH ATTEMPT ON A PART OF THE TOWN BOARD TO TH YOUR EFFORTS IN AN ELECTION YEAR.
AND MY CONCERN HOLD'S, LET'S JUST FORGET ABOUT PLEASE DON'T, DON'T, DON'T.
NO, BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE RIDICULOUS.
PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT ME.
PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT ME.
YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST MOVE ON TO THE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
SHE SAID IT'S ON TAPE IN AN ELECTION YEAR.
THE QUESTION ISN'T WHAT'S THE DELAY? THE QUESTION IS WHY IS THIS BEING FAST TRACKED? RIGHT? THE BOARD ISN'T SAYING TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL, CONSIDER THIS, AND SO FORTH.
IT'S BECAUSE THE TOWN CLERK IS TRYING TO PUSH THIS IN AN ELECTION YEAR.
AND THE LAST THING I WANT IS TO BASICALLY HAVE AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THE RENAMING OF THE SECOND FLOOR OR A STREET SIGN OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BECAUSE OF POLITICS, AS OPPOSED TO, BARBARA REALLY DESERVED THIS, AND REGARDLESS OF AN ELECTION OR NO ELECTION, THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
AND THE EMAIL TRAFFIC WITH THE TOWN CLERK SAYING, YOU KNOW, TELL THE TOWN BOARD YOU SUPPORT JUDITH IL'S RESOLUTION.
RIGHT? I DON'T, THIS SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT THE TOWN CLERK OR ANYBODY ELSE OTHER THAN BARBARA.
AND SO WHAT I FIND OFFENSIVE IS THAT THIS IS BEING PUSHED FOR A POLITICAL PURPOSE.
AND IT, AND, AND THE CLERK SAID, SO AT A WORK SESSION, IT'S ON TAPE.
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THE, YOU'RE TRYING TO THWART MY EFFORTS IN AN ELECTION YEAR.THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN ELECTION.
GLAD YOU AND IT'S APPARENT THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
NONE OF US HAD ANY CONTROL OVER THE, THE PASSING, THE DATE OF THE PASSING OF A DEARLY BELOVED BARBARA WATSON PERRY, WHO WAS A DEAR MENTOR AND FRIEND TO ME.
NO ONE HAD CONTROL OVER THE DATE OF HER PASSING.
HOWEVER, SHORTLY AFTER THE MEMORIAL SERVICE THAT WAS HELD FOR HER AT THE THEATER AT DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, AT WHICH I WAS ASKED BY THE FAMILY TO SHARE COMMENTS, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, I CONTACTED HER DAUGHTER AND SISTER AND FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, BARBARA SHOULD HAVE BEEN HONORED A LONG TIME AGO BEFORE THIS.
AND I SAID, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT PERHAPS ONE WAY OF HONORING HER WOULD BE TO NAME THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE THEATER DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, THE BARBARA WATSON PRAIRIE EXTENSION, THAT HER, HER, HER DAUGHTER SAID, JUDY, LET ME TAKE THIS AND SHARE IT WITH MY BROTHER AND SEE WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT IT.
SHE GOT BACK TO ME, AND I HAVE ALL OF THIS IN WRITING.
SHE SAID, THE FAMILY IS VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF YOU MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS RESOLUTION.
AND SO ARE MY AUNTS, WHO ARE BARBARA'S SISTERS, MY SUGGESTING THIS RESOLUTION, THIS, THIS, UM, NAMING OF THE SECOND FLOOR HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, WHAT I SENSE IS THAT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, PARTICULARLY FRANCIS HIN, IS TRYING TO DELAY THIS AND TO, UM, DISTORT THE WHOLE INTENT BEHIND IT.
BECAUSE IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR.
HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT MY MOTIVATION.
AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT.
AND I STAND BY IT WITH INTEGRITY THAT THAT IS NOT MY MOTIVATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE ALL DUE ELECTION, THE BASIS OF NAMING.
SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT NAME, EXCUSE ME, MAY I WHAT DIFFERENCE? WE ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERYONE HERE.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE BARBARA WATSON PERRY HONORED.
WAIT A MINUTE, PAUL, LET ME FINISH SPEAKING.
WE, WE ALL UNDERSTAND HER TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS TOWN.
WHAT I DO THINK IS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GIVING A LOT OF DISRESPECT TO CLEO OLIVER, WHO ALSO MADE TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS TOWN.
SO BY DIVERTING THIS TO AN ARGUMENT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD GO THROUGH A PROCESS, IT, IT, IT IS VERY, UM, WHETHER THE TOWN CLERK WAS, UH, PART OF THIS OR NOT, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE THEO DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER BOARD, WHICH IS THE PROCESS THAT IT'S GOING THROUGH.
SO LET US MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S DO, UM, TO CLEO OLIVER'S FAMILY, IF THEY ARE LISTENING, I, I JUST, WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT, NO RESPECT ON MY PART FOR CLEO OLIVER.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOUR YEARS AGO, CLEO OLIVER OLIVER CAME HERE AND STOOD AT THIS PODIUM AND ANNOUNCED TO THE BOARD AND TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE WORLD.
SHE SAID, I WAS WATCHING THIS, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING ON MY TELEVISION, AND I HAD TO GET DRESSED AND COME HERE TO STATE MY SUPPORT FOR THE TOWN CLERK, JUDITH BEVILLE.
I HAVE NOTHING BUT REVERENCE FOR CLEO OLIVER.
SO I ALSO WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, UM, MY COMMENTS, UH, AND RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE DECISION FOR BARBARA WATSON PRAIRIE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMONSTRATING ANY DISRESPECT FOR CLEO OLIVER.
AND WE ALSO AT TIMES, UM, HAVE, UM, HAD STREET NAMINGS, UH, FOR MORE THAN ONE PERSON AT THAT'S RIGHT.
AT THE SAME TIME, I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID, UH, THE NAMING FOR THE REVEREND IN FRONT OF SACRED HEART, AND THEN WE NAMED, UH, UH, UH, A STREET, UH, 2016.
AND THEN WE HAD ATLANTIC STAR.
WE HAVE THREE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE SAME TIME.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, CLEO OLIVER DESERVES BEING HONORED.
I THINK, UH, BARBARA
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT MY FAILING IS THAT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE EACH OF THEM.
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WE MOVE, CAN WE MOVE ON? BECAUSE SEE, DE YOUNG, CONSIDERING RUTH WALTER AND RUBEN PECKHAM, I DON'T SEE THEM HERE.ARE THEY COMING IN BY, WELL, IT SAYS VIA ZOOM.
I DIDN'T GET AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE TO INVITE THEM.
SO LET'S JUST DO THE AGENDA REVIEW THEN.
BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, AGAIN, REGARDING NOISE CAMERAS, ARE THEY LEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE? DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE LEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE? UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN SOME AREAS OF THE CITY AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND, UM, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CHALLENGED YET, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO IT'S STILL AN OUTSTANDING ISSUE THAT I THINK STILL HAS TO BE RESOLVED.
BUT IT, IT'S IN A, IT'S AN EXISTENCE.
AND THEN THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THIS AND THE BOARD OF LEGISLATORS SUPPORT IT.
IT WAS PRESENTED TO MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, BUT IT WAS NOT ENDORSED OR NOT, IT WAS INFORMATIVE.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE STATE TO ALLOW US TO PUT UP NOISE CAMERAS OR CAN WE JUST PUT THEM UP? I THINK HE, ACCORDING TO RUTH, I THINK WE COULD JUST PUT IT UP.
WE WOULD, IS SHE A LAWYER? WE, WE, I WOULD NEED TO SEE, I SPOKE TO THEM SOMEWHAT.
UM, I THINK I DID HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEGALITY AT THE TIME MM-HMM.
AND WE WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH FURTHER INFORMATION.
AND I WOULD, BECAUSE YOU POSED THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD IMAGINE, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY ARE, UM, THEY INTEND TO ADDRESS THEM WHEN THEY PRESENT TO US.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY A NOVEL IDEA THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME UP WITH AN IDEA, UH, THE FIRST THING ISN'T COME SPEAK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN WORK OUT THE LEGAL ISSUES LATER.
IF THEY COULD WORK OUT THE LEGAL ISSUES IN ADVANCE.
UM, BUT NOT EVEN KNOWING IF THEY'RE LEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE.
APPARENTLY THEY, THEY, THEY MIGHT BE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN CHALLENGED YET.
YOU KNOW, DO WE REALLY NEED LITIGATION? WE HAD AN INITIAL CONVERSATION.
I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AND HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT FEEDBACK YET.
SO IF WE COULD GET, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH, UH, RUTH AND THE PRESENT AND THE COMPANY, WHAT WAS IT, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, FOUR MONTHS AGO? WE DID, WASN'T THAT LONG.
NO, AT THE ENTIRE BOARD? NO, NO.
IT WAS PAUL AND ME ONLY BECAUSE I SAW THEM UP AT THE, AT THE BOARD, AT THE, UM, COUNTY.
AND RUTH MENTIONED TO ME THAT SHE WAS COMING HERE.
I'LL JOIN TO HEAR IT, BECAUSE, BUT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS AS JUST LIKE, I MEAN, THIS IS A MAJOR QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND, UH, AND I GUESS THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD ENFORCE THE NOISER RATHER THAN IT'S NOT UNDER THE VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC LOSS.
I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT BEFORE SOMETHING MAKES IT LIKE THIS ON AN AGENDA, WE HAVE OUR TOWN ATTORNEY LOOK AT ANY POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED AND ADVISE US IF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS THIS, THIS IS JUST NOT LEGAL, OR WE HAVE TO GO FOR A HOME RULE REQUEST OR DO SOMETHING.
AS OPPOSED TO HAVING PEOPLE COME HERE.
LIKE, WE HAD THE GUY COME HERE FOR THE AIR PURIFIER, WHICH WAS EMBARRASSING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD TO SHUT IT OFF BECAUSE IT SMELLED LIKE FISH.
AND YET WE SPENT
BUT IT WAS PUT ON OUR AGENDA SO HE COULD TRY TO ADVERTISE THIS PRODUCT FOR HIS COMPANY.
'CAUSE HE EVEN DIRECTED IT TO COME OUT OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO COME DOWN HERE.
AND WELL, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU FEEL, IF JOE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MET WITH JOE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPANY AND RUTH, UH, WALTER, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, MONTHS AGO, AND YOU KNOW, JOE, A FEW ARE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT IT MAY NOT COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE STATE LAW.
WE COULD DO A PROPOSED HOME RULE MESSAGE, UH, TO ALBANY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER BE EXTRA CAREFUL, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, UH, IF IT'S A GRAY AREA AND ASK AND ASK THE STATE TO AUTHORIZE IT.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT FIRST THEY GET BACK TO JOE WITH RESPONSES TO THE QUESTION AND QUESTIONS, AND THEN THAT WILL FRAME YES.
WHAT KIND OF PRESENTATION OR, OR NOT THAT THEY MAKE TO US AND, AND HOW IT WORKS, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S ABLE TO BE FALSIFIED, YOU KNOW, OR, UH, VALID OR
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A, A BETTER WAY FOR, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE TERM FOR US IS YOU TRY TO PROVE THAT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S BEING ENFORCED.
SO THE THING IS, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOTTEN A, A SUMMONS FROM THAT NOISE LAW.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PASSING A LAW SAYING, OH, WE'RE ADDRESSING QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE.
I GET TONS OF EMAILS AND CALLS FROM PEOPLE SAYING IT'S TOO NOISY.
SO THE THING IS, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, THIS IS ONE APPROACH WHERE WE'RE NOT BURDENING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A BUR AN EXTRA BURDEN ON THE POLICE.
WE'RE NOT TAXING THEIR RESOURCES, AND WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET SOME, GET AN IMPORTANT QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, ENHANCEMENT DONE, UM, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, POINTING FINGERS AND SAYING, HOW COME YOU'RE NOT ENFORCING IT? OR HOW COME YOU'RE NOT ENFORCING IT? SO I SORT OF, I JUST KNOW AFTER, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE MEETING, THERE WAS SO MUCH POSITIVE, UH, A POSITIVE RESPONSE.
YOU KNOW, DAVID ANDOUR ISSUED A STATEMENT FOR THIS.
UH, I, I, MY RECOLLECTION, I THINK GEORGE LATIMER, UH, UH, MIGHT HAVE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
AS I SAID, IT WAS A PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN ENDORSEMENT.
AND, AND THEN ON THE BOARD OF LEGISLATORS, NO PRESS RELEASE.
SO PAUL, HOW DOES IT WORK? IN OTHER WORDS, IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCEMENT OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE MEASURES AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO DID THEY PUT A NOISE CAMERA ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY LINE? THEY PUT IT, THEY, THEY WOULD PUT IT ON A, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING MORE ABOUT
NOW THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS NOT THE CURB, REMEMBER? SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO UP ON SOMEBODY'S ROAD.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE, I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR ROAD.
IT WAS MORE ROADS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, I TH THERE THERE WAS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF CIRCUIT.
SO IT'S NOT PROPERTIES, IT'S FOR THE ROADWAY.
BUT IT'S STILL A QUALITY OF LIFE FISURE.
SO, SO IT'S REALLY FOR MODIFIED MUFFLERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCEPT.
BUT IT COULD ALWAYS, IT'S NOT GONNA COUNT.
IT'S NOT GONNA CATCH SOMEBODY WITH TWO LEAF BLOWERS.
AND FRANKLY, THERE WAS NO ADVERTISEMENT ABOUT THE THING THAT, UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY PUT TOGETHER WHERE IT WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF LEAF BLOWERS ON PROPERTIES.
NOBODY KNEW IT, BECAUSE NOBODY SAID ANYTHING.
AND WHEN ANYBODY ASKED, YOU SAID, WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY PASS A NOISE ORDINANCE.
WE, WE JUST, UH, PASSED THE DECIBEL LEVEL RIGHT IN THERE WAS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF LEAF BLOWERS YOU COULD USE ON PROPERTIES, WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE ADVERTISED.
AND I HOPE WE DO, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEBODY'S USING ONE LEAF BLOWER INSTEAD OF FOUR ON A PRO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, YOU MIGHT NOT GET AS MANY CALLS, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE WORD OUT MAYBE WITH THE DIGITAL BOARDS OR WHATEVER.
UH, WE HAD NO OUTREACH WHATSOEVER ABOUT THIS, THAT PARTICULAR LAW.
BUT I, I'M CONCERNED MAINLY ABOUT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED.
WE, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE THE FIRST AND WHAT REALLY COMES TO MIND AS THE GUY WHO HAD SOME REVOLUTIONARY AIR PURIFIER THAT SMELLED LIKE FISH.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S LAUGHING BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SMELLED LIKE.
BUT, BUT THIS, THIS, THESE NOISE, UH, I, YEAH, THIS IS DONE IN, I THINK NEW YORK CITY USES IT.
I THINK, UH, THERE'S SOME MAJOR CITIES.
BUT THERE CAN BE DIFFERENT LAWS FOR CITIES AND TOWNS.
NO, BUT I'M ABOUT, THIS IS NOT LIKE A REALLY NOVEL CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND IN EUROPE, UH, USING IT.
AND ALL I REALLY WANTED WAS, UM, TO HEAR, SO THE BOARD COULD HEAR THE PRESENTATION, YOU COULD ASK QUESTIONS, AND THEN TOGETHER, COLLECTIVELY, WE COULD SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WE LIKE THE IDEA, BUT WE, WE MIGHT NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT IT'S LEGAL.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT IF IT'S NOT LEGAL? IF WE'RE NOT SURE, LET'S DO, UH, UH, HOME RULE MESSAGE.
IF, UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY SAYS, OH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LEGAL? WE COULD DO IT BECAUSE NEW YORK CITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES IN NEW YORK STATE ARE DOING IT, THEN WE COULD GO AHEAD AND WE COULD TEST IT OUT.
BECAUSE I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, UM, FROM THE EMAILS THAT I GOT AFTER WE HAD THAT PRESENTATION, IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.
AND IT, IT SOUNDS VERY POSITIVE.
AND, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CONTRADICTING YOU AT ALL, PAUL.
IT DOES SOUND VERY POSITIVE AND IT DOES SOUND LIKE THEY'VE THOUGHT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS.
THOSE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ANSWERED.
AND THEN BASED ON THAT, WE SHOULD SCHEDULE OKAY.
WE SHOULD SCHEDULE THE PRESENTATION.
IT'S WORTH EVERYONE HEARING IT.
AND I, I TOO HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, WHICH WERE THE ONES THAT I STARTED, BUT YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION AND STILL, WHEN I ASKED YOU, WAS IT LEGAL, YOU HAD TO REFER TO THE ARY? NO, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, YOU THINK IT'S LEGAL? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS LEGAL BECAUSE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN,
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IN, UM, NEW YORK STATE ARE, ARE USING IT.AND OTHER THAN CITIES, WELL, NEW YORK CITY NEVER GOT PERMISSION FROM ALBANY TO DO WHAT? THEY BASICALLY JUST DID IT.
ALRIGHT, DO WE KNOW THAT? I'M PRETTY SURE.
SO THE FACT THAT NEW YORK CITY DID SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR GET ALONG, UH, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN THAT POSITION.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR OR NOT IT'S ACTUALLY LEGAL AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE GONNA DO IT NO MATTER WHAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S LEGAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT LAST ATTORNEY SAYS? LAST THING IS, WE'RE ABOUT TO ASK FOR A HOME RULE FOR SPEED CAMERAS, FOR RED LIGHT CAMERAS.
AND NOW YOU ADD IN NOISE CAMERAS.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ASK FOR TOO MUCH, YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT.
RIGHT? THEY, THEY MIGHT DECIDE, HEY, WE CAN GET THIS ONE THROUGH, BUT NOT THAT ONE, OR WHATEVER.
UN, UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH MODIFIED MUFFLERS, WHICH THERE MAY BE.
I MEAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THE MAJOR HIGHWAY IS YOU HEAR IT, YOU KNOW, THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, A MOTORCYCLE GOING BY, THERE'S NOISE.
I, MY GUESS IS THIS IS GONNA PICK IT UP, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S A SMALL LITTLE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT REALLY MAKE PEOPLE, UH, ENJOY LIVING IN THE TOWN.
SO IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THE, UH, ADDRESS SPEEDING TRAFFIC, SAFETY, UH, NOISE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY TO LIVE HERE.
SO I FEEL THAT ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO THAT BASICALLY WILL ENHANCE PEOPLE'S QUALITY OF LIFE IS, IS, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S OBJECTING TO THAT.
NO'S LET'S JUST FOLLOW, LET'S JUST FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
I UNDERSTAND WITH WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WHAT THEY REALLY RESENT IS US BASICALLY DOING WINDOW DRESSING.
I DON'T WANT WONDER, PRETENDING THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, BUT WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT.
NO, BUT WE, I'M LOOKING AT, AND THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS.
WELL, SPEAKING OF TRAFFIC CONTROL,
UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION BEFORE THE, ANY LEGISLATION IS GENERATED IN TERMS OF, UM, WITH REGARD TO RED LIGHT CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INCIDENT REPORT REPORTS AND FREQUENCY.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS YET BEFORE WE SAY WE NEED ONE? PARDON ME? I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
THE, IN ORDER FOR THE STATE TO PROCEED, UM, THE, UH, UH, ASSEMBLY MEMBER SHIMS REQUIRES INFORMATION, UH, DATA INFORMATION IN ORDER TO GENERATE ANY KIND OF LAW.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WHICH COMES FIRST? THE DO, DO WE AUTHORIZE OR DO WE HAVE, SEE IF IT'S, DO WE GIVE THE, DO WE GENERATE THE INFORMATION, SEE IF IT'S VIABLE, AND THEN PASS A RESOLUTION? WELL, MY FAILING IS THAT, UM, IF WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE HOME RULE MESSAGE NOW, THEN WE COULD BASICALLY ASK THE, THE CHIEF TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION.
AND WE'RE NOT ONLY ASKING FOR THIS ON EAST DALE AVENUE, BUT WE'RE ASKING ALSO FOR OTHER ROADS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, WHICH WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY AND WE'VE HAD PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES ON, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WOULD, UH, PROVIDE A LIST OF THE FATALITIES AND THE, THE NUMBER OF TICKETS THAT THEY'VE ISSUED THAT THEN WE COULD SEND IT TO THE ASSEMBLYWOMAN SHE'S MEETING.
YEAH, I'M NOT CONTRADICTING THAT.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHICH COMES FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG.
I THINK, WHY WON'T WE HAVE THE DATA FIRST BEFORE WE MAKE A, BEFORE WE ASK RECOMMENDATION? BECAUSE BASICALLY I'LL MAKE A ASK, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GONNA ASK, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST MAKE MY POINT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR THE EVIDENCE AS TO WHY WE NEED THESE CAMERAS.
SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE DATA TO PROVIDE TO THEM INSTEAD OF HAVING US GO BACK AND FORTH TO THEM? WE ONLY JUST GO ONE TIME.
THE ONLY, BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE'RE ASKING FOR LEGISLATION TO BE INTRODUCED.
THAT'S NOT A HOME RULE REQUEST.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THE LEGISLATION TO BE INTRODUCED.
THEN AFTER THERE'S A BILL NUMBER, THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO, AT THAT TIME SAY WE'RE, UH, FORMALLY MAKING THE HOME RULE REQUEST.
SO IF ASSEMBLYWOMAN CHIMPSKY WOULD INTRODUCE THE LEGISLATION NOW, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A BILL NUMBER AND THEN WE, WE COULD PROVIDE, BUT SHE'S NOT GOING TO INTRODUCE THE, WAIT A MINUTE, THE INFORMATION UNTIL SHE HAS SOME DATA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO GIVE TO HER AS TO WHY SHE'S CREATING THE NUMBER, THE BILL NUMBER.
SO WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF DATA TO PROVIDE TO HER TO START THE PROCESS FIRST
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INSTEAD OF DOING THE REVERSE? I THINK IT WOULD GIVE US MORE, UH, ENHANCE OUR CHANCES OF GETTING THE LEGISLATION THROUGH.BUT WE, BUT THEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING TANGIBLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS SHE KNOWS GONNA FATAL.
SHE, NO, SHE'S LOOKING FOR THE INFORMATION FIRST.
I MEAN, SHE HAS THE DATA FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF TO SAY THAT HE'S CERTIFIED DATA TO SAY THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE MAKING THE REQUEST.
SO WHY WOULD WE NOT PUT THAT FIRST? WELL, WE COULD, IF YOU WANT, WE, UH, UH, WE COULD ASK THE CHIEF TO COME IN, UH, NEXT TUESDAY AFTER ALL HE HAS TO DO IS PREPARE A REPORT.
IS A REPORT ASK, JUST ASK HIM, ASK HIM FOR THE REPORT, ASK HIM THE DATE, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THE REQUEST.
SO THEN WOULD YOU WANT TO THEN HOLD US OVER TILL THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE CHIEF FIRST.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO SEE HOW LONG IT LONG TAKE TO GET THAT DATA AND THEN WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD.
WHY DON'T WE JUST TALK WITH THE CHIEF? OKAY.
I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD GET SOME LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR TOWN ATTORNEY.
AND THINK THE LEGAL VICE FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEY NO, FOR THE NOISE, BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE.
UH, WOULD YOU WANNA, UH, UM, ASK THE CHIEF IF HE COULD COME TO THE MEETING TODAY? NO.
NO, BECAUSE I KNOW HE HAD, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE DATE.
I KNOW HE HAD SOMETHING PERSONAL HE WAS DEALING WITH, SO, NO.
SO I CAN, I CAN HAVE THE PHONE CALL AFTER WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE TIME.
JOE, ON TB THREE, DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION NOW ON THE, UM, VICE AGREEMENT? I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY FURTHER INFORMATION BEING SENT OVER SINCE THE LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING.
UM, GOING BACK NOW TO TB TWO, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SPEED CAM, IS THIS WITH REFERENCE TO THE SPEED CAMERA, RIGHT? THAT'S A SPEED CAMERA.
RIGHT? WHEN AND WHICH ARE NOT, UM, APPROVED BY THE STATE FOR THE TOWN.
AND WHILE THEY'RE APPROVED FOR THE CITY, THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE CITY.
THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS WITH THE SPEED CAMERAS IN THE CITY, WHICH IS, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE LIKELY FOR US TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS THE ATTORNEY CAN LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT.
BEFORE WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
I, I, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE WORTHWHILE.
AND THEN TO, TO, UM, TO COUNCILMAN SHEEN'S POINT, IF WE ASK FOR TOO MUCH, UM, WE'RE NOT, WHY, WHY? THAT ONE'S A STRETCH.
WHY NOT FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT HAVE MORE VIABILITY LIKE THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS? I THINK, ACTUALLY, I THINK THE RED LIGHT CAMERA MAY BE MORE OF A STRETCH BECAUSE I, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT DOWN SOME, SOME STRIPS ACROSS THE ROAD AND WE'LL GET SPEED DATA REAL QUICK.
BUT WHERE ARE WE GONNA COME UP WITH IF SOMEBODY RAN ALERT RED LIGHT BUT DIDN'T GET A SUMMONS, RIGHT? WELL, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH RED LIGHT VIOLATORS AND IF WE RUN THE, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN FIND OUT.
UM, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN THAT MANY TICKETS FOR RUNNING A RED LIGHT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF RED LIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN RUN, BUT THERE WASN'T A POLICE OFFICER THERE TO GIVE A TICKET.
SO HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? WELL, THE, THE, BECAUSE THEIR PHOTOGRAPHS TAKE RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE, UM, NO, WE NEED THE DATA TO GET THE RED LIGHT CAMERA.
WE DON'T HAVE A RED LIGHT CAMERA TO TAKE THE PICTURE.
WE NEED DO, NEED THE DATA TO IDENTIFY THE, WHERE THE RED LIGHT.
WE, WE BASICALLY NEED THE RED LIGHT CAMERA TO GENERATE THE DATA TO GET THE RED LIGHT CAMERA.
AND I'M SAYING THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIT HIGHER LIFT THAN PUTTING OUT SPEED STRIPS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN ROADS, YOU KNOW, TAXI ROAD, CENTRAL AVENUE, EAST DALE AVENUE, UH, JUST PICK A ROAD.
WELL, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ALSO GET THE, GET SOME INPUT FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES LIKE YONKERS AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT DO HAVE RED LIGHT CAMERAS ALREADY AND HAVE HAD THEM FOR SOME TIME.
HEY, LISTEN, I'M, I'M NEVER, NEVER OPPOSED TO GETTING DATA, UM, WHAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE IS.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT.
SO IT MAY ULTIMATELY BE WE HOLD OVER TB ONE, TB TWO, TB THREE, BUT LET'S GET SOME INFORMATION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT CALL TODAY.
I JUST HAD A QUICK UPDATE ON, UM, MOUNTAIN HOPE CEMETERY.
THIS IS GARRETT DUQUE PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
THE, UM, THERE WAS AN INCORRECT NOTICE.
SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDER REOPENING THAT HEARING AND, UM, SETTING THAT FOR OCTOBER 11TH, THAT WOULD PROVIDE AMPLE TIME FOR THAT NOTICE TO BE CORRECTED.
AND IF YOU DO SO, I THANK YOU.
AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS RENDER CD ONE
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AND CD TWO, WHICH ARE BOTH MOUNT POPP RELATED, UH, TO HAVE A NOTE THAT INDICATES, UH, TO BE, UM, ADJOURNED OR, OR NOT TO BE VOTED ON OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.WHAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE NOTICE? SO THE NOTICE WENT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
I ACTUALLY, UM, FOUND, REALIZED TODAY THAT THERE WAS NOT A, UM, ACTUAL PHYSICAL MAILING TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST DECISION AS WELL, WHICH REFERENCES CD ONE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE BOTH TO THE OCTOBER, WHAT IS IT? THE SIXTH, 11TH, I BELIEVE.
AND YOU'LL BE GETTING OUT THE CORRECT NOTICE.
WELL, THE NOTICE WAS CORRECT THEN IT JUST WASN'T MAIL.
SO YEAH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
SO THE NOTICE WAS CORRECT, MEANING THE PHYSICAL PAPER WORDING, BUT THE PROCESS WAS INCORRECT.
BUT THE NOTICE, YEAH, BUT WE JUST CALL IT DOING PROPER NOTICE, SO, OKAY.
SO THE DISTRIBUTION NOT, WAS, NOT, WAS NOT ADEQUATE.
ANYTHING ELSE? I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE TOWN BOARD FOR INCLUDING A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR MY GRANDFATHER.
MY FAMILY WAS VERY HONORED TO SEE THAT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
AGAIN, SORRY TO HEAR THE LOSS.
I THANK YOU FOR LAST WEEK'S INCLUSION OF MY MOTHER.
SO, ARE YOU THE THIRD? YES, I'M THE FIFTH.
THIS VERSION DIDN'T, OKAY, I GOTTA FIX SOMETHING ON.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO HAVING A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, UH, YEAH, BOBBY WILLIAMS, THE MAYOR OF ELMSFORD.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THROUGH THEIR OBITUARIES AND SAD.
SEE CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY.
I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER THING.
AND ALSO WE JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE NOTICE, SIR.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR THOSE IN THE, UH, THE PO RESOLUTION, THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM ON HERE.
RESOLUTION ADOPTING A RECOMMENDATION OF THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE MAYFAIR WAY A ONE-WAY STREET WESTBOUND FROM ARTHUR LANE TO THE INTERSECTION OF NORWOOD ROAD, AMENDING CHAPTER FOUR 60 OF THE CODE.
UH, A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD A STOP RESTRICTION ON GREEN, UH, GREENVILLE ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHLAND ROAD.
UM, RECOMMENDATION, THEY'VE BEEN BUSY, UH, TO ADD A STOP RESTRICTION ON DRAGO WAY AT THE INTERSECTION OF LANDERS MANOR ROAD, AMENDING CHAPTER FOUR 60, AND, UM, ADDING PARKING RESTRICTIONS ON EDGEWOOD ROAD, AMENDING FOUR 60.
AND THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAD ON, UH, WE, WE DISCUSSED, UM, WE HAD ON LAST MEETING, BUT WE HELD IT OVER TO GIVE THE PUBLIC MORE TIME TO, UH, CONSIDER THAT.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST REWRITE FOUR 60? IT'S NOT TO CONSIDER IT, IT'S HAPPENING NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DETERMINED, HAS TO BE DONE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO TO EXECUTIVE.
WELL, UM, JUST ONE SECOND, BECAUSE, UM, WHAT HAPPENED? COUNCILMAN JONES WAS THROWN OFF AND SO HE MIGHT HAVE, HE'S TRYING TO SIGN BACK IN.
BUT HE MIGHT HAVE SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF HE DOES.
WEBINARS, IF HE WAS THROWN OFF, IT WASN'T FROM THIS END.
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BAD INTERNET.HE WAS VERY, HE WAS VERY POLITE AND HE SAID THE WEBINAR IS NOT RESPONDING.
SO HE, HE DID NOT ACCUSE ANY WEBINAR OR OTHER THROWING HIM OFF, JUST SAID NO, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY.
SO HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANYMORE.
ALL, SO PAUL, THANK YOUR MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE, UM, SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS, CONTRACTUAL ISSUES, UM, LEGAL ISSUES, AND INTERVIEW CANDIDATES FOR, UH, VARIOUS BOARD.
AND WE WILL NOT BE COMING BACK THIS EVENING.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK TOMORROW EVENING AT SEVEN 30.