[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, October 4, 2023 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED.
I'M GONNA MUTE THIS SO WE DON'T GET ANY, WE'RE ALL SET.
JOE, WE ACTUALLY, THIS BOARD STARTS ON TIME, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
WHERE SHOULD I SIT? WHEREVER YOU LIKE.
EXCEPT WHEN YOU FORGETS HIS PHONE IN THE CAR.
AND THEN WE'RE A COUPLE MINUTES LATE AS I'M HITTING EVERY SINGLE LIGHT.
I'LL TELL YOU, THE TRAFFIC TODAY CAME UP JUST TO GO TO STAPLES TO PICK UP SOME STUFF TODAY.
THERE'S CONSTRUCTION EVERYWHERE.
BAD WAS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY.
IT'S NOT COVERING THE WHOLE TABLE.
WHAT'S THAT? WHO CARES? NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT COVERING THE WHOLE TABLE.
THEY LEFT, THEY LEFT YOU OUT, WALTER.
UM, PRODUCER WILL WILL SEE THAT I'M SURE AT SOME POINT.
GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING AT WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 4TH.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBERS, MS. DAVIS AND MR. DESAI ARE NOT PRESENT.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXCELLENT JOB.
ANYBODY AS USUAL, MICHAEL? NO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? SO MOVED.
FIVE UNDER 3, 4, 5, RIGHT? YEAH.
CORRESPONDENCES OR A COUPLE OF THINGS IN CORRESPONDENCE.
THE FIRST WAS AN EXTENSION, THE EIGHTH EXTENSION FROM MR. SENIOR.
UM, HE'S HAD SOME, UH, DIFFICULTIES WITH, UH, IT'S THE SEWER EASEMENT OR WATER? YEAH, WATER EASEMENT.
AND TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGH.
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE LOOPED AS ONE OF THE ISSUES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU WANNA EXPLAIN ANYTHING ELSE? UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
SO INSTEAD BEING DEAD END SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED AS A DEAD END.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT OFFICIALS IN TOWN, THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IT LOOPED AND THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT IT DOES TAKE SOME TIME TO REDESIGN THE WATER MAIN TO LOOP IT, WHICH IS THE PREFERRED MR. THE DEAD END SENTIMENT.
BILL SEDIMENT BUILDS UP AND THEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AX.
S SPRINGBROOK, WHICH, WELL, I DO ATTORNEY.
I KNOW I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH EXTENSION.
WE WERE SUGGESTING 180 DAYS BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE TIMING WILL BE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT, PLEASE? TO SO MOVED.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER LETTERS OF CORRESPONDENCE WERE RELATED DIRECTLY TO, UM, PROJECTS FOR ANYBODY ON ZOOM OR IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS WAITING.
HOWEVER, FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ON MOUNT HOPE CEMETERY, THAT HAS BEEN ADJOURNED.
UH, TO A DATE UNCERTAIN AT THIS POINT.
THEY WEREN'T READY TO COME, COME IN RIGHT NOW.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST GONNA ADJOURN IT AND KEEP IT OPEN.
DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT? WE DO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, POSTPONE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE I GET THE NUMBER CASE, UH, PB 2312, UH, TO A DATE? UH, UNCERTAIN.
THAT'S OFF OF OUR, OUR LIST OF THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE TWO, TWO APPROVALS TONIGHT, UH, TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, FIRST ONE IS N R SS F, WHICH IS, UH, WE'VE HEARD AND SEEN SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, IT, UH, WE NEED TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AND GRANT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
A LETTER DID COME IN FROM KEN STAN ON THIS.
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ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.UM, I ASKED, UH, UM, AARON TO, UH, DRAFT A LETTER BACK AND, AND, UH, CONSULT WITH, UH, WITH JOE HERE.
UH, BACK TO THEM SAYING IT'S VERY LATE IN THE GAME FOR THEM TO BE DOING THAT.
UH, THEY STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH AND GET A, UM, A STORM WATER PERMIT AND THAT IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME, BUT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE THE SUBJECT OF OUR SUBDIVISION AT THIS, AT THIS POINT.
UH, WERE THERE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN THE PROJECT, UH, SINCE WE SOUGHT AN PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION? NO.
THE COUNTY ASKED FOR, UH, REALIGNMENT OF THE SEWER MAIN AND, UH, THE WATER SERVICE COMPANY ASKED FOR SOME, UH, INFORMATION ON THE, ON THE WATER LINE.
AND I BELIEVE THE LOT LINES WERE IMPLEMENTED.
THERE WAS ONE CHANGE THERE BEFORE THEY USING P V C PIPING? YES.
WHAT IS D I P? WE CAN ASK, UH, MS. ROBERTS ABOUT THAT.
UH, I COULD LOOK IT UP AS WELL.
IT'S THE, I I ALSO HAVE DAVE ON.
UM, DAVE, IF YOU WANNA QUICKLY JUST EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN P V C AND D I P PIPING.
WHAT'S THE PIPING FOR D I P OR DUCTILE? IRON PIPE IS GONNA BE INSTALLED FROM THE EXISTING MANHOLE IN LEY ROAD ONTO THE SITE.
AND THEN FROM THAT MANHOLE INTO THE SITE WILL BE P V C PIPE, WHICH IS PLASTIC PIPE.
THAT WATER OR, UH, THAT'S SEWER.
THAT BE, IS THAT FOR WATER OR A SEWER? THAT'S FOR SEWER.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT, UH, THE BOARD SHOULD BE AWARE OF? NOTHING THAT WASN'T ALREADY IN THE PRELIMINARY DECISION.
THAT WE DIDN'T GO OVER AT THAT TIME.
UH, IN THAT CASE, I WILL, UH, TAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
SECOND, UH, MICHAEL AND THEN WALTER.
UH, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
AND FINALLY, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
MICHAEL AND TOM? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE'LL GET THE FINALIZED LETTER SIGNED AS WELL AS THE PLAT, AND THEN BE IN CONTACT WITH YOUR OFFICE ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
I'D LIKE TO ASK SOMETHING BEFORE THE NEXT.
THANK YOU ALL MUCH APPRECIATE.
MICHAEL, YOU YOU HAD A COMMENT OR A QUESTION? YEAH.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND YOU ARE VERY NICE TO MEET YOU.
I'M FILLING IN FOR DEPUTY ATTORNEY MAGANA FOR THIS MEETING.
IT'S A PLEASURE BEING HERE TONIGHT.
HE'S NEVER GONNA WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AFTER MEETING HERE TONIGHT.
FIVE WHAT? THREE FIVE OH VOTES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS.
WE DO A LOT OF, WE DO THE EASY.
NEXT ONE IS, UH, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO FIGHT ABOUT CANDY, GO OUTSIDE PLEASE.
CASE PB 2311 COLLINS 19 PINE LANE PO.
THIS IS A STEEP SCOPE APPLICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PERGOLA RETAINING WALLS AND, UH, EXPANDED DRIVEWAY.
AND THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE WORK SESSION.
DO WE HAVE APPROVAL? THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEY ALSO REQUIRE VARIANCES.
AND THE VARI TELL US WHERE THE VARIANCES ARE AGAIN.
UH, TWO AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
FIRST BEING MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM THE PATIO TO THE SIDE YARD.
PROPERTY LINE FROM 10 FEET REQUIRED TO 7.7 FEET PROPOSED.
AND THE SECOND BEING MINIMUM SETBACK FROM DRIVEWAY TO SIDE YARD.
PROPERTY LINE FROM EIGHT FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET.
THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSS THIS AT ITS LAST MEETING, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL FOR A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT NOT COMING ACROSS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS ANYTHING NEGATIVE.
SO, TWO, TWO QUESTIONS TO YOU.
ONE, UH, WHERE ARE WE IN SECRET IN THIS? UH, SO THE PROJECT, BOTH THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE AREA OF VARIANCES QUALIFY AS TYPE TWO ACTIONS.
SO THERE'S NO COORDINATED REVIEW.
THERE'S NO COORDINATED REVIEW.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LEAVE AGENCY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY SECRET ACTION ON THIS AS, AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO VOTE THAT IT'S TYPE TWO.
WE SHOULD VOTE THAT IT'S TYPE TWO THOUGH.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
ACTUALLY, MICHAEL RAISED HIS HAND.
NOW, UM, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE OUR DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST TIME.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE HANDLING RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE, WE WERE REASSESSING HOW WE WERE RECOMMENDING THINGS TO THE ZONING BOARD BECAUSE IT WAS, WE, WE AIRED ORIGINALLY WE WERE DOING A LOT OF NEUTRAL STUFF AND THEN WE FOUND OUT FROM THE ZONING BOARD IN A JOINT MEETING THAT THEY WERE TREATING OUR NEUTRAL STUFF AS NEGATIVE.
SO WE STARTED AIRING TOWARDS DOING MORE POSITIVE.
AND THEN WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, SAID, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS ISSUE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN THOSE PO WHEN THOSE VARIANCES ARE ACTUALLY THINGS THAT WE THINK MAKE THE PLAN THE PLANNING PORTION OF THE, OF WHATEVER IT IS BETTER.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE CAME OUT.
THAT'S THE STANDARD WE CAME OUT, OUT WITH AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH I THINK IS BETTER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THE APPLICANT.
OH MY GOD, YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE ON, ON THIS THING.
UM, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN BECAUSE, UH, AS A BOARD WE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THESE VARIANCES ARE ACTUALLY EXISTING NON-CONFORMING VARIANCES THAT ARE COMING UP BECAUSE OF DOING THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE COMING UP.
HAVE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE RECOMMENDATION THE APPLICANT? THEY HAVE NOT.
AND I, THEY HAVE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT MR. COLLINS, MRS. COLLINS HAD A QUESTION POTENTIALLY FOR THE BOARD SURE.
CAN SEE MR. COLLINS ON THE ZOOM.
SORRY, WE WOULD'VE BEEN HERE IN PERSON.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA, SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING, BASED ON ALL THE STUFF, UM, THAT WAS JUST SAID, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO WORK IN SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE ON HERE? AND I UNDERSTAND SOMEONE DID SPEAK TO SOMEONE ON THE ZONING BOARD, UM, ABOUT ALL, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE, WHAT NEUTRAL MEANS NOW.
BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD ANY SORT OF LANGUAGE, LIKE, AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF SPIT BALLING HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE SIX MONTHS AGO, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION OR LIKE UNDER THE OLD WAY WE USED TO DO RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WOULD'VE DEEMED THIS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
RATHER DO IT VERBALLY AND THEY COULD WATCH THE RIGHT THIS MEETING AS WELL AND RIGHT.
GET A LITTLE JOE, SPEAKING OF SPEAK UP.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE WE CAN JUST POINT THE ZONING BOARD MEMBERS TO THIS MEETING AS WELL SO THEY COULD SEE A BIT OF THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT, AND I HAD A, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THIS, WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL FOR THE ZONING BOARD JUST LAST WEEK.
AND WE'LL REMIND THEM YOU HAVE LAND NEWS COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
THEY CAN BE REMI REMINDED AGAIN.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONFUSION ON THAT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I CAN, I CAN SEND THE CLIP OF THIS SECTION TO THE Z B A.
AND ALSO, AND A CLIP OF THE OTHER, OF THE LAST MEETING TOO, YOU WERE AWARE OR SOMETHING, AARON, A CLIP OF THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION.
OH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAD THE EXTENSION.
I GOT, I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.
UM, I THOUGHT THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS WELL WRITTEN.
YOU KNOW, THE NEUTRAL, IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE.
YOU POINTED OUT THAT THEY'RE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS.
WELL, WHOEVER DID IT WAS A GOOD JOB.
UM, I I THINK, I THINK IT WAS JOHAN WHO SUGGESTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE COME UP WITH A MEMO SETTING FORTH GUIDELINES FOR OUR NEGATIVE, NEUTRAL AND POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE WORKED ON IT OVER THE LAST YEARS.
I'M, I'M NOT BLAMING IT ON YOU, BUT I'M JUST SAYING AS A GENERAL MATTER, HE ACTUALLY WAS ASSIGNED TO WORK WITH
YOU SHOULDN'T BE BLAMING ME IS FOR THESE WRONG OKAY.
UM, AND FINALLY WE DID, WE DISCUSS HAVING ANOTHER JOINT MEETING WITH THE ZDA.
WE HAVE TO FIND A TIME TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD, I I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR PROBABLY IS, I THINK JANUARY MAY BE A FIVE WEEK MONTH.
SO THAT MAY BE THE WEEK, THE TIME TO DO IT.
WE COULD DO IT ANY DAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO FOCUS ON THREE.
IT'S JUST VERY HARD TO GET THEM TOGETHER.
THE PROBLEM WAS NEVER JUST A JOINT MEETING WITH THEM.
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DO A THREEWAY JOINT MEETING WITH THE, OH, FORGET, FORGET THAT.WHICH I DON'T THINK WE REALLY NEED.
I THINK, I THINK IF WE THREE LEAP YEARS FROM NOW, I'LL REACH OUT.
I
I'LL REACH OUT TO HER AND, AND TELL, WE'D LOVE TO SPEAK.
SIT DOWN WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN WORK OUT.
BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS THE MEMO YEAH.
AND ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO DO A DRAFT, SEND IT OVER TO THEM, HAVE SOME INFORMAL, YOU KNOW, OFF THE RECORD DISCUSSIONS.
BUT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE JOHON DOES HIS HOMEWORK FIRST.
I'LL MAKE SURE HE, SHE, SHE'LL MAKE SURE HE DOES HIS HOMEWORK.
UM, SO WE HAVE ONE VOTE TONIGHT ON A RECORD.
THE RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, THE C B A.
AND THAT IS A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION WHERE IT SAYS VERY SPECIFICALLY IN THERE THAT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH, WITH THESE VARIANCES.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS VERY CLEARLY UPFRONT IN THE, IN THE RECOMMENDATION I MOVE, WE MAKE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION AS PER THAT'S WRITTEN.
AND AND SECOND IS TO AND SHOULD IN, IN, IN THIS PORTION, SHOULD WE ADD THAT AARON WILL SEND A CLIP TO EXPLAIN OUR NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION? OR WE JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THE MOTION.
HUH? SAY ADD THAT TO THE MOTION.
CAN YOU ADD THAT TO THE MOTION? SO I WILL NOT TAKE A MOTION? THE MOTION TO AMEND YOUR MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND TO BE AMENDED? MOTION TOM.
MR. COLLINS, UH, MR. ANDERSON, WE WILL YES.
UH, COMPLETE THIS AND GET A SIGNED VERSION OVER TO YOU.
I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING YOUR ZONING BOARD APPLICATION, SO WE'LL DO THAT AND, UH, THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE IT IN HAND.
WE'LL ALSO SEND THE VIDEO CLIPS OVER TO THE Z B A, SO THEY HAVE THOSE AS WELL.
AGAIN, I WANT TO, UH, SAY THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR TONIGHT ON MOUNT HOPE CEMETERY HAS BEEN ADJOURNED TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
SO, UH, ANYBODY WAITING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, UH, CAN WELCOME TO WATCH THE REST OF REST OF OUR, OUR MEETING.
UH, BUT THERE WON'T BE ANY PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
IN FACT, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH THE REST OF THE MEETING.
UM, NEXT CASE IS, UH, TB 2305, WHICH IS NINE POINT ENERGY.
IT WAS A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, UH, S SYSTEM.
UH, WE HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS ON, ON, ON THIS.
I THINK ON THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
I DO WANNA MENTION THAT COUNSEL FOR THE, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT HAD SENT US AN EMAIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO, THIS PAST THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, I THINK IT WAS THE DAY AFTER THE LAST MEETING, THE DAY AFTER THE LAST MEETING, SAYING, ASKING US TO, TO, UH, ASK THE TOWN BOARD FOR AN EXTENSION.
UH, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SUBMIT MORE, MORE EVIDENCE, UH, THAT, UH, WOULD SUPPORT THEIR POSITION.
UH, THE POSITION I TOOK AT THE TIME AS CHAIR WAS, THEY HAD AMPLE TIME TO DO THAT SINCE JUNE TO, TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.
AND, BUT SAID, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SUBMIT SOMETHING AS WE WERE WRITING THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM COUNSEL SINCE THEN.
SO THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING STANDS ON THE RECORD WE HAVE, WHICH AS I SAID IS RATHER EXTENSIVE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I THOUGHT I PRINTED OUT THE FOR TWO.
CAN I BORROW A COPY OF IT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DO.
I THOUGHT I PRINTED THAT OUT, BUT I DIDN'T.
UM, AS WE WENT THROUGH IT, WE REALLY WENT THROUGH IT, UH, ACTUALLY SUBJECT BY SUBJECT FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY, THERE WERE THINGS IN THERE THAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE EITHER TECHNO, THEY HAD DEMONSTRATED A, A TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE THAT MADE SENSE.
AND THOSE WERE TWO, TWO OF THOSE, UH, ONE HAD TO DO WITH AN IN INCREASE OF CAPACITY OF ONE CABINET FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
UH, WHAT'S IT, KI KILOWATT, KILOWATT HOURS.
KILOWATT HOURS, UH, 8,000 KILOWATT
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HOURS.AND, UH, IT'S TWO, IT'S ONE CABINET TO TWO UNITS, I THINK.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BUT THANK YOU.
UM, THAT IS JUST A MATTER OF TECHNOLOGY GETTING BETTER.
ONE CABINET, ONE, ONE UNIT WENT FROM 3000 TO ABOUT 3,700.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, REQUEST TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT IN TIER TWO FROM 10 TO 12 FEET.
UH, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T GET ANY TALLER, BECAUSE IT GETS IT FURTHER OFF THE GROUND AND AWAY FROM GROUNDWATER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND FLOODING.
SO THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE AND IT WAS VERY CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION.
WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
UM, A THIRD ONE, WHICH, UH, I KNOW THE CA A FORMER MEMBER OF THE C A C SAW WHEN HE LOOKED AT THE THING WAS THE INCREASE, UH, TO 120% OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT FOR TREES VERSUS A HUNDRED.
OBVIOUSLY WE WELCOME ANYTHING THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR GREEN CANOPY AND THESE WILL BE TAKING AWAY GREEN SPACE MOST LIKELY.
SO IT MADE MADE SENSE IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE TO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND, UH, RECOMMENDING, ENDORSING THOSE THREE SO FAR WE'RE ENDORSING A FOURTH ONE, UM, WAS, UM, TO, UH, INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE, OF THE SITE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BATTERIES.
THAT ALSO MADE SENSE BECAUSE IT, IT GIVES HIM ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO GIVE MORE ROOM TO FIRST RESPONDERS OR WHEREVER IS SERVICING IN THE CASE OF A CATASTROPHE.
SO TO GIVE HIM THAT FLEXIBILITY ALSO MADE SENSE.
AND OBVIOUSLY JUST INCREASING WHERE THE FENCE GOES HAS NO, NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SAFETY.
AND AGAIN, THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS POSITIVE, IS RECOMMENDING POSITIVELY ON, ON THOSE.
THE ONE IT IS NOT RE RECOMMENDING IS THE INCREASE OF CAPACITY FROM, UM, 12,000 KILOWATT HOURS TO 30,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
THEY STARTED AT 50, THEY CAME DOWN TO 30.
THEY ALSO REMOVED, UH, ANY DISTRICTS THAT WERE DIRECTLY CONTIGUOUS WITH RESIDENTIAL AREAS, PARTICULARLY, UH, CA DISTRICT.
I DON'T, NOT SURE IF ANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE OR NOT.
'CAUSE WE NEVER, I DIDN'T LOOK THAT, THAT CLOSELY AT ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
THE KIND OF INFORMATION WE GOT, UNFORTUNATELY, ON THESE FACILITIES IS QUITE NEGATIVE.
UM, DID A LOT OF RESEARCH MYSELF.
UH, BOTH WALTER AND I ALSO SAT ON A COMMITTEE WHO HELPED DESIGN THE ORIGINAL LAW AND SPOKE TO ERDER, SPOKE TO CAR EDISON, HAD AN EXPERT FROM, UH, CALIFORNIA, WHO HAS DEALT WITH THESE FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
UH, TALK TO US ABOUT THE LAWS AS WELL.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE ABOUT ABOUT FIVE STATISTIC, I FORGET.
I THINK ASKED THIS QUESTION THE LAST TIME.
HOW, HOW MANY ARE THERE, HOW MANY OF THESE, THESE FACILITIES ARE IN THE UNITED STATES? AS OF JU ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS OF JULY, 2023, THERE ARE 500 MM-HMM.
UH, WE ALL KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU NEED TRAINING.
AND THE ARGUMENT FROM THE APPLICANT, AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT WE DO, AND I'M PROUD THAT WE DO.
WE HAVE A GOOD LAW THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF CONTROL.
BUT YOU CAN'T DEPEND ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD FOR SAFETY.
THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
YOU WANT A LAW THAT STANDS ON ITS OWN, WHETHER IT'S THIS BOARD OR A NEW BOARD WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DIE IN A, GOD FORBID, DIE IN A PLANE CRASH TOMORROW, AND THERE'S A BRAND NEW BOARD WITH A BUNCH OF INEXPERIENCED PEOPLE ON IT.
THEY WOULD BE HAVE TO ADMINISTER IT JUST LIKE WE DO.
WE, WE ARE HERE TO ADMINISTER THE LAW.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND THE AMOUNT OF DISCRETION WE HAVE AS A BOARD.
AND JOE WILL TELL YOU THAT IS IN LAND USE, LAW IS LIMITED.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THIS BOARD.
LET'S, LET'S GET TO THE, UH, RECORD.
BUT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT AND I WANTED TO MAKE A RECORD OF IT, MICHAEL.
SO BASED ON ALL THAT, I, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE ONES THAT I, I TALKED ABOUT, THE ONE THAT WOULD BE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT WOULD BE THE, UH, INCREASE IN, UH, STORAGE CAPACITY, UH, FOR, FOR BATTERY STORAGE.
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A COMMENT? YEAH.BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, THERE'S SOME MINOR, UH, CLARIFICATION I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE.
THE FIRST ONE IS ON BACKGROUND PAGE ONE.
IF WE GO 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 LINES DOWN, A MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, FRANCIS SHEEN, WHO'S ON THE COMMITTEE, THAT'S, SO SHOULD WE COMP COMPRISE OF A MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, COMMA.
AND THEN WE LEFT OUT, UH, FRANCE.
IF WE GO DOWN THE, UH, THE STATEMENT, THE PER, UH, PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE OLDS PROPOSED FACILITY IS TO GENERATE PROFIT.
WELL THAT'S THE NON, UNLESS YOU ARE A NON-PROFIT, THAT'S OBVIOUS.
SO I THINK IT WOULD READ BETTER IF WE SAY, TO GENERATE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT WITH NO SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PRIMARY FUNCTION.
I THINK WHAT IT SAYS IS A, IF YOU WANNA SAY IT'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT OR PROFIT, TO ME IT'S THE SAME THING.
LET, LET ME, THE REASON STATED THAT WAY IS BECAUSE IT'S BEING COUCHED NOT ONLY BY THIS APPLICANT, BUT BY OUR GOVERNOR IS BEING GREEN ENERGY.
THAT'S WHY IT'S COUCHED THE WAY IT IS.
AND I FEEL STRONG SAY THIS WAY, UH, TO GENERATE PROFIT WITH NO SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN NEVADA.
IT'S NOT THE FUNCTION, IT'S NOT THE PRI READ IT, IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY FUNCTION TO NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ENVIRONMENT, IMPROVEMENT ENVIRONMENT.
IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK THIS THE PRIMARY FUNCTION, THEIR OBJECTIVE AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS TO MAKE MONEY, PERIOD.
WELL, I, I THINK I RECOMMEND IT AS WELL THAT THAT WHOLE SENTENCE JUST BE REMOVED.
YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CLARIFY THE INTENT OR BEHIND IT.
IS IT NOT CALLED BROWN ENERGY AS OPPOSED TO GREEN ENERGY? IT'S NOT BROWN ENERGY.
IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, PUT THE FIRES ASIDE.
IT BECOMES GREEN A, A COMPONENT OF GREEN ENERGY, WHICH IS WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S THINKING ABOUT, BUT NOT THINKING BROADLY ENOUGH IN MY VIEW.
AND I'LL TELL HER THAT IF I EVER GET TO MEET HER TOO.
UM, BECAUSE IT, IF IT WOULD WHEN IT'S MARRIED WITH THE, SO WITH, WITH ALTERNATE ENERGY.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF, OF THAT.
IT ALSO CAN, CAN BE IF DONE CORRECTLY, A VERY COM IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF DECENTRALIZING OUR GRID, WHICH IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT FOR LOTS OF REASONS.
NOT JUST ENVIRONMENTAL, THAT'S MORE SECURITY THAN ENVIRONMENTAL.
BUT, BUT, BUT IT IS OKAY IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, IT'S NEITHER OF THOSE, THOSE THINGS.
WELL, I, I SEE I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TAKING AN ABSOLUTE STATEMENT THAT IT NEVER DOES THIS OR AT NO, DOESN'T SAY THAT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE PHILOSOPHY THAT IT NEVER, THERE IS A MINOR INSIGNIFICANT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, AND IT SAYS THAT, WAIT A MINUTE, UH, UH, UH, UH, A BENEFIT BY, BY WHEN, UH, IT REDUCES THE POSSIBILITY OF COAL FIRED, UH, UH, VERY INEFFICIENT UNITS.
OF INEFFICIENT UNITS COMING ON STREAM, UH, IN HIGH PEAK DEMAND.
SO IN THAT SORT OF CONVOLUTED LOGIC, IT DOES OFFER SOME BENEFIT.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WHEN WE SAY GRANTED, THAT'S THE PURPOSE IS TO GENERATE PROFIT.
BUT WE SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE WE DID THERE IS READ THE RECOMMENDATION, LET HIM FINISH.
THERE IS SOME, THERE IS WITH NO SIGNIFICANT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY NO RATHER THAN SAY IT'S NOT WITH NO SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, UH, UM, IMPROVEMENT IN, IN, IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
CAN I, CAN I CAN I'S PARAGRAPH READ PARAGRAPH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN READ READ PARAGRAPH TWO.
WHICH SAYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
IT SAYS, TALKS ABOUT LITTLE DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY OR TO THE LITTLE.
AND THE LAST SENTENCE READS, THEY DO HELP IN SMOOTHING OUT THE NEED TO FIRE UP PEAK POWER PLANTS, WHICH GENERATE CARBON OUTPUT, OUTPUT.
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THE IMPACT IS SMALL.IT SAYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
BUT THEN THE HEADING, THEN YOU SHOULD CHECK, PUT THAT IN.
SEE THE HEADING IS PRIMARY FUNCTION IS TO FACILITATE, UH, TO GENERATE PROFIT WITH, WITH INSIGNIFICANT OR MINOR, UH, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO ECONOMY.
NO, LET'S NOT SPEND 45 MINUTES QUIBBLING OVER WHETHER THE WORD SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
LOOK, I THINK THE POINT IS THIS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THIS AS GREEN ENERGY.
IT'S ACCORDANT WITH ACCORDANCE WITH ER'S, YOU KNOW, PLAN TO MAKE THINGS GREEN, YOU KNOW, SOLAR, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD TELL THE TOWN BOARD THAT IS NOT THE CASE, RIGHT? IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA COME ON GREEN, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT MAY HAVE SOME MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT AT 2:00 AM SO THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OR THREAT.
BUT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS HAS NO, NO MEASURABLE POSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, RIGHT? WHEN IT COMES TO CLEAN ENERGY.
AND WHY DON'T WE LEAVE IT TO AARON TO GET THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, RATHER THAN SPEND 20 MINUTES WITH YOU TWO ARGUING THAT IT'S IN IT'S NOT, IT'S IN IT'S NOT.
NO, WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA SUGGEST, FIRST OF ALL, I WROTE IT, NOT AARON.
UM, BUT, AND THERE'S A REASON IT WAS WRITTEN EXACTLY THAT WAY AND THE REASON WAS THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT BECAUSE, OKAY, BUT LET'S, NO, WELL LET ME FINISH.
WHAT I SAID, AND THE, THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS COMBINING YOUR TWO, THE COMBINING THE TWO THOUGHTS.
THE PRIMARY FUNCTION IS THE PRIMARY FUNCTION PERIOD.
IT DIDN'T SAY SOLE FUNCTION, IT SAID THE PRIMARY AND THAT WAS THE WORD THAT WE WORKED OUT, OKAY? MM-HMM.
REMEMBER THIS HAS TO GO TO GO OUT TOMORROW, RIGHT? OKAY.
YOU TAKE THAT LAST SENTENCE MM-HMM.
AND JUST MAKE THAT A SECOND ONE.
SO TAKE THE LAST SENTENCE, THE THING ABOUT HELP THE SMOOTHING OUT.
MAKE THAT ANOTHER BULLET POINT.
RIGHT UNDER THE PRIMARY FUNCTION.
AND THEN LEAVE THE RE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT ONE.
LEAVE THE REST OF THE, WHAT IS NOW THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF WHAT WILL COME, THE THIRD ALONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT WAY YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT, YOUR POINT.
I JUST, I DIDN'T WANT 'EM COMBINED, THAT'S ALL.
THE LAST POINT, THE LAST POINT IS ON PAGE THREE, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE, UH, THE VARIOUS DISTRICT WE HAVE UR UR I WOULD ARGUE SHOULD NOT BE IN THERE BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT, UH, UH, WE ARE ELIMINATING UR DISTRICT.
WE DID, WE DID A BIG PORTION OF IT BY TAKING OUT, UH, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO WHY WILL WE PUT MAKE A LAW THAT WOULD PUT YOU ALL BACK IN? BECAUSE IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL IN THE LAW.
IT'S STILL IN THE BOOKS AS, AS A DISTRICT.
BUT WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, BUT IT'S, WHEN IT COME, IT'S A KIND OF, IT, IT IT CHANGE WHEN THE CHANGE COMES, IT'LL GET REMOVED FROM ALL SECTIONS, I WOULD ASSUME.
SO I, I, YEAH, I COULD SEE LEAVING IT IN FOR NOW.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT IF LATER ON IT'S REMOVED, THEN IT'D BE REMOVED FROM THE ENTIRETY OF THE CODE.
BUT, BUT IF WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE, BUT WE'RE SAYING WHERE IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.
AND AS LONG AS IT STILL EXISTS, IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
WHY DON'T YOU PUT A FOOTNOTE OR SOMETHING ABOUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE STILL EXISTS, BUT IT'S PLANNING TO BE ELIMINATED IF YOU DO THAT TOO.
UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED.
WALTER? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MICHAEL.
WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO APPROVE THE REPORT.
CORRECT? WHICH WAS DONE BY, UM, BY MATT DID A TERRIFIC JOB ON THE REPORT.
REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
'CAUSE I HAD TO UNDERSTAND IT.
THE, THE BASIC GOAL OF THE REPORT IS TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE LAW IS CONSISTENT WITH A CON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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WHAT THE REPORT DOES.AND OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO TRACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OR WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
UH, MATT DID A, I THINK A TERRIFIC JOB ON BOTH OF THOSE.
SO I'LL TAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REPORT AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I DON'T, THAT WAS A PHOTO FINISH.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON.
WHAT'S TELLING ME THE RESERVATIONS ARE VERMONT, WHATEVER.
OKAY, WHERE ARE WE GOING NOW? CHICK-FIL-A.
YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP CHICK-FIL-A? WE DO HAVE JOHN CANNING ON VIA ZOOM ONE.
THEY UP THERE? YEAH, WE'RE NOT THAT COZY HERE.
THERE'S TWO TABLES NOW, SO IT FEELS A LOT BIGGER.
WE SPREAD OUT PLANS A COUPLE OF MONTHS ONLY, BUT IT USED TO BE ONE FROM FOR TOWN BOARD.
I THINK FOR TOWN BOARD WE DOUBLED UP BECAUSE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE ALL THE PLANS AND STUFF.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE MR. CANNING ON ZOOM JUST IN CASE.
HI, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HI, JOHN.
UH, TB 2305, UH, NINE GUARD ENERGY.
TOM PB 2207, WHICH IS CHICK-FIL-A.
IT'S A PROPOSAL FOR A, UH, CHICK-FIL-A OPERATION AT 20 TERRYTOWN ROAD PO UH, WHITE PLAINS FOR SITE PLAN, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR, UH, QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WE HAD A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, UH, TO DO FOR JUST A FIRST MEETING ON THAT, WHERE WE GOT A, A RATHER COMPREHENSIVE THANK YOU VERY MUCH PRESENTATION, UH, FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT ON, ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE SITE.
UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, I ASKED, UH, MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD TO, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM TOO, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD, THANK YOU.
THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, TO PUT TOGETHER A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.
THERE WERE 16 QUESTIONS I THINK THAT WE FORWARDED TO YOU.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, AND IT IT RELATES TO A FEW OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, SOME BY MR. CANNING.
I, THIS CAN'T BE AN ANECDOTAL DECISION.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE ON ANECDOTAL.
WELL, THIS ONE HERE, THIS ONE HERE, THIS ONE THERE.
IT ALSO CAN'T BE DONE ON THE AVERAGE Q S R BECAUSE SOME, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED IN THE Q S R BUSINESS FOR PART OF MY LIFE, NOT A COMPETITOR, OKAY.
ON FOOD EQUIPMENT, UM, THIS ISN'T A, A USUAL Q S R I THINK YOU'RE MORE DEPENDENT ON DRIVE-THROUGH THAN MOST, MOST QSRS I WOULD SUSPECT.
AND WE COULD ACTUALLY DOCUMENT THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BECOME IMPORTANT.
THEREFORE, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTED ACTUALLY IN RESPONSES BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THE NUMBERS THAT I REALLY NEED TO SEE TO UNDERSTAND TRULY WHAT THIS OPERATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND, AND I KNOW I, I KNOW IT'S GONNA VARY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WORST CASE, BEST CASE, MOST LIKELY CASE FOR THIS SITE.
SO WE CAN SEE THINGS LIKE QUEUING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TI TIME THEY'RE IN THE QUEUE, NUMBER OF CARS IN THE QUEUE, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN EVALUATE IT BASED ON THIS OPERATION.
NOT MCDONALD'S, NOT WENDY'S, NOBODY ELSE.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH STORES NATIONWIDE, I THINK.
UM, I BET YOU COLLECT THOSE STATISTICS.
COULD BE WRONG, BUT I BET YOU DO.
UM, HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED? DO YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE SOME RESPONSES? YEAH.
AND, AND, AND WE'LL LET YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE CAN ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS AND ALSO HAVE MR. CANNON COMMENT AS WELL.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA ADDRESS THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO GET, I'M NOT SURE, PUSH THE BUTTON UP THERE AND YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION.
DID YOU WANT ME TO SHARE THE SCREEN TOO SO WE CAN PUT THIS? YOU SURE? I LIKE KEVIN, YOUR OVERHEAD THOUGH.
UH, CHARLES GOTTLIEB FROM THE LAW FIRM OF WHITEMAN, OFFICER MANHAN IN ALBANY, NEW YORK LAND USE COUNCIL FOR CHICK-FIL-A.
UM, HERE FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT 20 TERRYTOWN ROAD IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, HERE THIS EVENING WITH TIM
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RETAG, PROJECT CIVIL ENGINEER FROM BOER ENGINEERING.PHIL GREELEY, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, AND I THINK CLINT MATSON MAY BE ON ZOOM, UH, THIS EVENING FROM CHICK-FIL-A.
UM, HERE FOR A CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF THE PROJECT, AGAIN, IT'S A 5,000, UH, 28 SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT.
THE BUILDING DRIVE THROUGH AND CUSTOMER PARKING ARE ALL IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN THERE ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND THEN THE TEAM MEMBER PARKING, UH, THE CHICK-FIL-A EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE LOCATED ON THE PARCEL THAT'S IN THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
UH, WE HAVE RECENTLY SUBMITTED, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE DID RECEIVE 16 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UM, LATER, LAST WEEK.
WE ARE STILL REVIEWING THOSE COMMENTS.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE DATA.
UM, AND IT'S A LOT OF DATA TO DIGEST.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THIS BOARD HAS THE INFORMATION IT NEEDS SO THAT IT'S COMFORTABLE IN MAKING ITS DECISION.
SO TONIGHT THE HOPE WAS TO HEAR LESS FROM ME AND MORE FROM THE DESIGN TEAM, BUT SPECIFICALLY, UH, FROM PHIL ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
'CAUSE I THINK THE LAST MEETING, WE GOTTA CUT A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, TIM IS GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ITEMS IN THE 16 QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT EMAILED TO US THAT WE CAN AT THE MOMENT WHILE WE STILL DIGEST THAT DATA, LIKE DELIVERY TIMES, UM, OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE STILL WANT TO BE WORKING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, OUR GOALS AT THIS VERY EARLY STAGE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS THE SECRET COORDINATION.
SO WE DID SUBMIT A REVISED E A F AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND, UH, WE CHANGED A FEW QUESTIONS ON THAT.
ONE BEING OUR PROXIMITY TO A HISTORIC, UH, BUILDING.
THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CENTER IS, IS A LISTED BUILDING.
UM, WE ARE WITHIN 500 FEET OF THAT.
WE ARE SEPARATED BY COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
UM, WE ARE SEPARATED BY COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE? SO WE HAD TO CHECK YES ON THAT E A F QUESTION.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE IS THE EXISTING C V SS BUILDING IS CLOSER TO THAT HISTORICAL, UH, BUILDING THAN WE ARE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPROVING CONDITIONS IN THAT RESPECT.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS RELATED TO SITE REMEDIATION.
WHEN YOU DO THE E A F, THE WEBSITE FILLS IN FOR YOU WHAT THE ANSWERS SHOULD BE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THEN GO AND INVESTIGATE.
SO FOR REMEDIATION, IT'LL SAY WITHIN, I THINK IT'S 2000 FEET, SOME SORT OF PROPERTY WAS CONTAMINATED AT ONE POINT, THEN REMEDIATED POTENTIALLY THE PROJECT SITE, THE E A F MAPPER, THE DE C'S WEBSITE CHECKED.
UH, TIM'S OFFICE DID A SEARCH OF THE D E C RECORDS AND FOUND NO RECORDS OF ANY REMEDIATIONS ON THE SITE.
UM, SO WE MADE THOSE CHANGES, UH, TO THE E A F.
UM, AGAIN, QUICKLY, WE, WE SUPPLIED INFORMATION RELATED TO TRAFFIC CANOPY HEIGHT, UM, AND ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ON THE SITE PLANS THAT TIM WILL, TIM WILL WALK YOU THROUGH.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE ANSWERS FOR THOSE TONIGHT.
AND THEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, WE WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE REFINEMENT ON THOSE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THERE WERE, UH, FACILITIES IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
WE'D LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT FACILITIES THOSE ARE, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED IN CHARLOTTE, UM, AS WE HAVE KIND OF BEGUN THAT INVESTIGATION.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK I'LL HAND IT OVER TO TIM.
YOU CAN QUICKLY RUN THROUGH SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN AND THEN, UM, WE'LL HAND IT OVER TO TRAFFIC.
TIM FRY TECH WITH BOWLER ENGINEERING.
THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE AGAIN.
UM, SITE PLAN TONIGHT THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THE SAME BOARD AS IT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE DID SUBMIT A REVISED SITE PLAN, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RECOLOR IT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO SIMPLE CHANGES.
IT WAS ADDING SOME WAYFINDING DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.
WE ADDED DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE FOR ANYBODY ENTERING FROM COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
THERE WAS A SUGGESTION OF DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE BACK OF THE SITE TO GET, UH, NAVIGATE TO THE DRIVE THROUGH RATHER THAN CUTTING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO OUR THOUGHT WAS WE ADDED A DRIVE THROUGH DIRECTIONAL SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE AND IN THE MEDIAN WITH SOME ARROWS NAVIGATING, UH, TO THE CIRCUMFERENCE, UM, OR THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE TO GET INTO THAT QUEUE.
UH, FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH STACK WE'RE WORKING WITH.
DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT A LINE IN THE PARKING LOT FOR PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH? LIKE A SIGN SAYS
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DRIVE THROUGH, FOLLOW THE RED LINE? I MEAN, JUST THE THOUGHT JUST OCCURRED TO ME.UM, WE DID CONSIDER A STRIPE MEDIAN RIGHT HERE, KIND OF FORCING EVERYBODY IN THAT DIRECTION.
OUR CONCERN THERE WAS WITH THE A D A SPACES SHOULD, UM, ANYBODY ENTERING THE SITE FROM THAT ACCESS NEED TO NAVIGATE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FOR THE A D A SPACES? WE ST STILL WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I THINK IT ALSO RENDERS ALL THOSE FRONT PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, NOT JUST THE AADA A ONES, BUT ALL THE SPACES YOU WOULD HAVE TO NAVIGATE AROUND USELESS TO GET INTO.
HOW DO YOU GET THERE? THAT'S RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN AND AROUND THE OTHER WAY FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
NO, WHAT HE IS SAYING IS HE WAS GONNA FORCE A RIGHT TURN THERE.
HE THOUGHT ABOUT HE'S NOT GOING TO, HE WAS THINKING OF FORCING A RIGHT TURN.
IF HE DID THAT, THOSE FRONT SPACES WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO.
YEAH, NO, THAT YOU DID THE RIGHT THING THERE.
AS LONG AS IT'S GOOD SIGNAGE, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME, UH, STRIPING RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO FURTHER HELP MAKE IT FOOLPROOF THAT WHEN YOU ENTER, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE SITE PLAN'S THE SAME.
I I THINK I WENT THROUGH A REALLY DETAILED PRESENTATION ON THE SITE PLAN, SO I, I WON'T, UM, GO THROUGH THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT CERTAINLY AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, IF THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION ON THE CIRCULATION, THE PARKING, THE LAYOUT.
I WENT, WENT BY THERE THE OTHER DAY.
I NOTICED I WAS LOOKING AT THE GRADE CHANGE.
HOW DID THEY GET UP FROM THAT, UM, EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT TO THE BUILDING? SURE.
SO DUE TO THE GRADE CHANGE, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A RETAINING WALL BETWEEN THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THAT PARKING LOT.
IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET OR SO IN THE, UH, TALLEST POINT.
SO, UH, TEAM MEMBERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SIDEWALK ALONG COUNTY CENTER ROAD TO NAVIGATE INTO THE BUILDING.
AND THEN, WHAT IS IT, IS IT A SLOPE UP ALONG THE DRIVEWAY THERE? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, IT, IT'S A GRADUAL SLOPE, UM, THAT FOLLOWS THE ROAD.
BUT WE, WE'VE BALANCED THE SITE AND POSITIONED THE BUILDING, UM, I'LL CALL IT THE HALFWAY POINT BETWEEN THE ELEVATION HERE IS HIGHER AND THE ELEVATION BACK HERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S EIGHT FEET ACROSS THE SITE.
SO YOU'RE CONTINUING TO DROP DOWN.
YOU'VE GOT THE BUILDING AND THEN YOU'LL CONTINUE TO DROP DOWN TO COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
ALL THE, ALL THE SLOPES ARE WITHIN INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR PARKING LOTS AND, UH, SIDEWALKS.
A D A ACCESSIBILITY IS IMPORTANT.
SO WE'RE MAKING SURE IT'S AADA A COMPLIANT AS WELL.
ONE OTHER SIGN YOU MAY WANT TO DO, I JUST REALIZED IT WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH EXITS.
YOU MAY WANNA PUT IT THIS WAY OUTSIDE TO MAKE THEM FORCE 'EM TO THE RIGHT.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THEM AND YOU DON'T WANT 'EM GOING THIS WAY.
YOU DON'T WANT 'EM GOING THAT WAY.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN, WALTER? YES.
UH, UM, FOR ME, THE, THE, THE MIC, THE ISSUE IS ONE OF TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAIL DIAGRAM OF TRAFFIC FLOW, ESPECIALLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY IN TERMS OF, UH, THE, THE QUEUING AS A FUNCTION OF TIME AND, AND, AND HOW WILL TRACK TRAFFIC FLOW DURING YOUR KEY PERIODS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS FROM ABOUT, UH, 1130 TO ONE 30.
UH, UH, AND, AND DATA ON THAT COMPARED TO DATA OR YOU HAVE MANY OTHER SITES THAT, WHAT IS THE DATA ON TRAFFIC DURING A HIGH PERIOD AND MANY OTHER SITES AROUND THE COUNTRY? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I JUST DID 30 MINUTES RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET AND, AND ALL THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC JUMPS UP ON ME.
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE CHARLOTTE AND, UH, SANTA BARBARA, NEW ORLEANS, TEXAS, OHIO, UH, FORT LADALE, FORT LAUDERDALE, SALT LAKE CITY.
SO WHAT IS THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC NATIONAL WISE AND HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS SITE FLOW BETTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER SITES? SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DETAILED TRAFFIC FLOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE SITE.
I'D, I'D LIKE TO PICK UP ON THAT JUST, JUST QUICKLY.
UM, AND I THINK I'M REALLY SAYING THE SAME THING THAT WALTER SAID, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, THIS IS NOT FOR YOU.
THIS IS FOR THE NEXT GENTLEMAN.
I ASSUME
AT PEAK HOURS, THERE'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED CARS AN HOUR GOING THROUGH HERE AND BASED ON A HUNDRED CARS AN HOUR, PEAK PERIODS,
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IT'S GONNA WORK OUT PERFECTLY.BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS, HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S A HUNDRED? YOU'VE GOTTA JUSTIFY THAT TO US.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE 200? AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT WALTER'S SAYING, YOU'VE GOT NUMBERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THIS SITE? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE ALL GONNA WANT TO HEAR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU RELATED TO MONA FRY TAG? ARE YOU NO.
YOU ALMOST CONFUSE ME WITH THE MINUTES.
SHE'S PROBABLY GONNA TO CHICK-FIL-A TOO, RIGHT? PROBABLY.
SHE'S BEEN TO THAT CHICK-FIL-A I KNOW SHE HAS ACTUALLY.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. REEK BEFORE? NO, I HAVE A TRAFFIC QUESTION.
YEAH, IF, IF, UM, YOU WANTED, I COULD HIT SOME OF THESE, UH, OPERATIONAL RELATED QUESTIONS.
WHY DON'T YOU DO GET 'EM OUT OF THE WAY? THAT'S FINE.
THEN I WILL PLAY TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WE'LL LET THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, PLAY THAT CARD.
BUT, UH, READ IT THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND WE'LL PROVIDE A FORMAL RESPONSE, UH, TO RESUBMIT, UH, ADDRESSING THESE ITEMS. UM, I'LL LEAVE THE ORIGINAL OR THE INITIAL, UH, TRAFFIC RELATED COMMENTS.
UM, HOW DO CUSTOMERS USE THE APP? SO THERE IS A MOBILE APP THAT YOU CAN MOBILE AHEAD.
SO IF YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO CHICK-FIL-A OR FEEL LIKE STOPPING BY, YOU CAN MOBILE ON THE APP AND THEN THEY CAN START PREPPING YOUR MEAL FOR WHEN YOU ARRIVE.
THERE'S, UM, TWO WAYS THAT MEAL CAN COME, UH, BE DELIVERED TO YOU.
SO YOU CAN PARK GOING TO THE DESIGNATED PICKUP AREA, PICK UP YOUR MEAL AND LEAVE.
AND, UM, ONE ITEM THAT WE, WE FOCUSED ON AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING WAS DISCUSSING HOW, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BUILDING WAS DE DESIGNED IN THIS ELEMENT.
SO YOU CAN PARK HERE, GET INTO THE BUILDING WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO CROSS THE DRIVER'S
IS THERE A SPECIFIC AREA WHERE THEY CAN PICK UP? SO, UM, IF YOU MOBILE OR IF YOU ORDER ON THE APP AND GO INSIDE, YOU CAN PARK ANYWHERE.
AND THE SECOND OPTION IS YOU CAN HAVE CURBSIDE DELIVERY.
SO THOSE WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED, UM, POOL, UH, SPACES.
WHERE WOULD THOSE BE? UH, THERE WOULD BE LIKE TWO OR THREE SPACES.
JUST POINT OUT WHERE THEY WOULD BE.
WHERE, UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED 'EM ON THIS PLAN.
BUT HERE THEY'RE USUALLY CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOOR, SO PROBABLY IN THIS AISLE.
WHERE, UH, TEAM MEMBERS YOU COULD ON THE APP SAY I'M PARKED IN SPACE ONE, TWO, OR THREE.
AND TEAM MEMBERS WOULD COME OUT AND HAND DELIVER THE MEAL PIN? UM, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
COULD YOU ALSO POINT OUT ON THE ZOOM, UH, WHICH SPOTS IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE? YES, IT WOULD BE THE AISLE, UM, WITH THE A D A SPACES.
TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE DOOR.
HOW LONG HAVE THESE, UH, UM, PRACTICES BEEN IN PLACE THAT YOU COULD ORDER AHEAD AND PICK UP? AND HAS THIS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? YEAH, SO, UM, THE APP EXISTED, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE USED IT BEFORE.
COVID, WHEN COVID ACTUALLY, UM, CAME AROUND WHEN DINING ROOMS WERE CLOSED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE USED THE APP MORE AND MORE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINDING THAT THAT'S BEEN, BEEN GENERALLY CONSISTENT.
I DON'T HAVE THE DATA OF HOW MANY, UM, FOLKS ARE USING THE MOBILE APP NOW OR NOT, BUT I KNOW IT IS MORE COMMON THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST SITE THAT IS TRYING ON, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN APP AVAILABLE TO ALL STORES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DATA THAT INDICATES THAT THEY'RE SHOWING THE EFFECT OF THIS SYSTEM.
DOES THAT REALLY REDUCE THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH BY USING THIS APP AND BY USING, UH, DELIVERY TO THE CAR? WHAT EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE TRAFFIC BACK? I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
I KNOW WHEN I GO VISIT A CHICK-FIL-A I ORDER ON THE APP 'CAUSE IT'S MY FASTEST WAY IN AND HOUR, MY DAUGHTER TO SEE DAY.
MY DAUGHTER DOES THE SAME THING.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DAY RATHER THAN SITTING IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
I CAN ORDER AHEAD MY MEAL'S READY WHEN I GET THERE, I PARK, I WALK IN, GRAB IT.
AND THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION THOUGH.
'CAUSE MY DAUGHTER HAS TOLD ME THIS.
SHE DOES THE EXACT SAME THING.
SHE DOES THE SAME THING, SAME THING.
SHE'S A, SHE LOVES THIS STUFF AND SHE'S THERE ALL THE TIME.
BUT, UM, AND IT'S CLEARLY FASTER THAN WAITING IN A, A LINE OF, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 CARS FOR SURE.
THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION THOUGH.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, AFFECT YOUR DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE DATA IS GONNA BE SO INCONSISTENT AMONGST LOCATIONS.
SOME LOCATIONS MIGHT BE EASIER.
MAYBE FOR NEW YORK AREA IT'S OKAY, BUT I'LL QUESTION, MAYBE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OMAHA, NEBRASKA.
YOU, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH SAMPLE SIZE IN THE
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NORTHEAST.I KNOW YOU'RE EXPANDING FAST AND IT MIGHT BE, UH, A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S COLD OUT.
SO THAT'S, UM, HOW THE APP IS, IS USED.
WE WILL PROVIDE, UM, SOME MORE DATA AND LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER TYPICAL HOURS OF DELIVERIES.
IT, IT'S GOTTA BE OFF HOURS BECAUSE THEY UTILIZE THE FRONT OF THE STORE TO CIRCULATE THROUGH.
WE DON'T WANT, UM, CONGESTION OUT IN FRONT WHEN THE BUSINESS IS OPEN.
THERE WAS CONCERN, UM, ABOUT LEAVING THAT BROAD WINDOW OVERNIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES 3:00 AM THERE'S CONCERNS FOR SOME, UM, RESIDENT DISTRICTS IN THIS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO, UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF, OF PULLING THAT IN TO, UH, THE 10 TO MIDNIGHT HOURS AND NOT OPEN-ENDED TO, TO 3:00 AM IS THAT DOABLE? YEAH.
SO, UM, THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF THEIR DRIVERS.
THEY CAN SET DELIVERY TIMES AND PATHS.
SO THEN THERE'S THIS THING CALLED RE REAL LIFE.
IF A TRUCK HITS TRAFFIC, IF, IF, UH, UM, SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A TIME THAT IT'S OUT OF THAT AREA.
LET ME ASK IDEA, LEMME UNDERSTAND THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THOUGH.
IS EVERYTHING COMING FROM ONE DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE THAT'S DE SO THAT ARE, DO THEY HAVE SEVERAL SUPPLIERS THAT, THAT SHOW UP IN A WEEK? THERE'S A DISTRIBUTION AREA FOR THIS MARKET, BUT IS IT, IS EVERYTHING CONSOLIDATED ON THE, ON THE ONE TRUCK IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS STORE, MULTIPLE STORES.
FOR, FOR THIS STORE FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT COULD BE ONE TRUCK.
AND HOW MANY DELIVERIES A WEEK AND FIVE TO SIX, UH, TIMES A WEEK.
AND THEN DO YOU GET AN ARMORED CAR EVERY NOW AND THEN TOO? WHEN DO THOSE COME IN? AN ARMORED CAR? SOMETHING TO PICK UP CASH.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN, IT'S FUNNY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CASH THESE DAYS.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING ONLINE I SAW SOME ISSUES ABOUT ARMORED CARS PULLING UP IN THE MIDDLE OF A DRIVE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE.
BUT, UH, I KNOW A LOT OF IT IS, UH, PLASTIC.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO DELIVERIES PER WEEK, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TRUCKS.
SO IT IS TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS LIKE WE TALKED.
UM, THEY'RE NAVIGATING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
UH, TRUCK TURN, UH, SIMULATIONS WERE PROVIDED.
AND YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT BACKING UP? THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO WHERE THEY DON'T NEED TO BACK UP.
THEY CAN PULL IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UNLOAD AND BE ON THEIR WAY.
PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE LOTS EMPTY, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE PROVIDED, UH, TRUCK TURNING MOVEMENTS FOR THE TRASH.
THERE'S A QUESTION HERE ABOUT WET TRASH.
SO THAT IS THE TRASH FACILITY THAT, UH, CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, THROW THEIR LEFTOVER MEALS IN.
SO THAT'S THE TRASH FACILITIES HERE.
THERE'S GREASE TRAPS TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SINKS AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RESTAURANT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ALL TRASH, UH, IS HA HANDLED THROUGH THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.
SO THAT'S A SEALED, SEALED TRASH BIN.
UH, IT'S A NORMAL WASTE, UH, FACILITY BIN THAT THEY PICK UP WITH THE TRUCKS OVERHEAD.
AND THEN THE CORRAL IS A BRICK FAC UM, BRICK FACADE AROUND THE ENCLOSURE, UH, MATCHES THE BUILDING WITH CLOSED GATES IN FRONT.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S CLOSED LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE A ENVIRONMENT TISSUE.
WE DON'T HAVE A WHAT? RODENT TISSUE OR ENVIRONMENT TISSUE.
AND THE DAILY DELIVERIES IS PURPOSELY FOR THAT REASON TOO.
UM, OUR OUTSIDE ORDER TAKERS USED YEAR ROUND IN ALL LOCATIONS.
UH, THEY ARE, AND IT, IT, THE NEXT COMMENT IS POSSIBLY THE HEATER ENCLOSED THE CANOPY.
THERE ARE, UM, GAS HEATERS ON THE ROOF OF THESE THINGS.
THAT PROVIDE HEAT DOWN TO THE AREAS WHERE TEAM MEMBERS WILL BE STANDING.
THEY'LL BE ON A ROTATION SCHEDULE BASED ON THE OPERATOR OF THE STORE.
SHOULD THE WEATHER BE INCLEMENT TO WHERE, UM, TEAM MEMBERS SHOULDN'T BE IN THE DRIVE-THRU.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT TEAM MEMBERS IN THE DRIVE-THRU.
WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE? CAN YOU ORDER REMOTELY THEN, OR, YEAH, IT WOULD OPERATE LIKE EVERY OTHER QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT OUT THERE.
FOR BOTH LANES, TWO DIFFERENT ONES.
RECENT, UH, YOU SAID GAS HEATERS.
BUT ISN'T CLIENT DOESN'T HAVE RESTRICTION ON, ON A NEW, ISN'T PRIVATE PROPANE IS RUNNING ON PROPANE? NO, THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
WE'VE RAN INTO THAT IN THE PAST.
UM, THEY DON'T ALLOW AN INCREASE IN GAS FLOW, SO THERE IS AN ELECTRIC OPTION.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WITH CON EDISON, BUT THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT COORDINATION.
YOU CAN'T INCREASE THE GAS LOAD.
UM, I THINK YOU TOLD US LAST TIME THAT FOR THE OUTSIDE LANE, YOUR, YOUR STAFF HAS TO PICK UP THE FOOD FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING AND CROSS THE INSIDE LANE OF
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TRAFFIC TO GET IT TO THE OUTSIDE.AND THEN THAT'S HOW THE SECOND THEY'D HAVE TO WALK ACROSS TO BRING IT TO THE HOUSE.
DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE AN OVERHEAD CONVEYOR BELT
IT HASN'T WORKED WELL AND, UM, THEY HAVEN'T FOUND A SYSTEM THAT WORKS.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE THE, UH, OH, I WON'T SAY THE MILKSHAKES AT THE, AT THE STORES.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE MILKSHAKE MACHINE IS ALWAYS BROKEN.
BUT, UH, THEY'VE LOOKED INTO IT, NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT A THING OF THE FUTURE.
SO, 13 POSSIBLE TO HEAT TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, ANY EMISSIONS FROM THE COOKING PROCESS? HOW ARE THESE EMISSIONS HANDLED? SO, UH, THIS RESTAURANT IS, IS UNIQUE IN THE FOOD PREP OPERATIONS COMPARED TO OTHER, UH, RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE OPEN FLAT TOP GRILLS.
OPEN FLAT TOP GRILLS HAVE A BIG, YOU KNOW, FUME HOOD ABOVE 'EM.
UM, THE CHAR USUALLY ON THE GRILL IS WHAT STARTS TO SMOKE AND CREATE THOSE FUMES.
SO THEIR CHICKEN IS, UM, IN, UM, PRESSURE COOKERS, SO IT'S ENCLOSED AND A PRESSURE COOKER THAT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE, THOSE FUMES FOR THE FRIED CHICKEN.
AND THEN THEY DO HAVE A GRILLED OPTION, BUT THAT'S ALSO IN AN ENCLOSED, UM, GRILL ELEMENT THAT DOESN'T GET THE, THE CHAR AND, AND THE EMISSIONS, UM, ON IT.
WE HAVE A REQUEST INTO FURTHER DETAIL WHAT ELSE THEY MIGHT DO FOR ORDER CONTROL.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE INITIAL FEEDBACK WE HAVE ON THAT ONE.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE MORE INFORM.
THEY MUST, THEY MUST HAVE SOME KIND OF A, I WOULD THINK IN A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN LIKE THAT.
FOR, FOR THEY SERVE FRENCH FRIES, FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT'S THE PROCESS OF THE CHICKEN.
WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION ON, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ON THE, UH, THE HOOD.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THAT FORMALLY, UM, PARKING SPACES LEADING UP TO THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO, UH, CONSIDER MAKING THAT PART OF THE QUEUE, UH, VERSUS CONVENTIONAL PARKING.
SO HERE, UH, MORE DISCUSSION WITH FILL AND TRAFFIC.
BUT AGAIN, TO BALANCE, UH, THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PARKING AND THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF STACKING IS HOW WE'VE DESIGNED THIS SITE.
UH, EVERYBODY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WHEN IT FIRST OPENS, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF EXCITEMENT.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS DRIVE LANE AS OVERFLOW STACKING, UH, STACKING FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH IS PROBABLY MORE NEEDED THAN THE PARKING SPACES FOR THAT INITIAL, UH, GRAND OPENING.
SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY AND FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT WITH THIS LAYOUT, WHICH IS WHY, UM, WE LIKE THIS LAYOUT.
'CAUSE IT PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR ADDITIONAL STACKING HERE ON OUR SITE.
BUT AS FAR AS MAKING THAT DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS OF OPERATIONAL HERE, UM, THE DATA THAT WE'LL SUPPLY AND THAT WE'VE STUDIED SHOWS THAT WE DON'T NEED IT.
BUT WE'LL FURTHER DETAIL THAT AS, UH, THE PROJECT CONTINUES.
WELL, MY OBSERVATION OF, OF THE SITE IN CHARLOTTE IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE OVERFLOW, IT, IT GOES INTO THAT AISLE.
BUT THOSE CARS THAT ARE IN THAT PARKING SPACE, THEY CAN'T GET OUT.
THAT HAPPENS AT A NEARBY STARBUCKS ACTUALLY.
THEY CAN'T GET, SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN OR OUT AND, AND THAT CAUSED A LOT OF APEX.
SO THAT'S FOR THE, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
SO ANYHOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED.
AND IT'S FILING, FINDING THAT RIGHT BALANCE WITH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
UM, BUT DURING, WHEN I, WHEN I SAY WE COULD USE THAT DURING THE GRAND OPENING PERIOD, I, I'M THINKING WE CLOSE THOSE SPACES OFF AND USE THAT AREA FOR ADDITIONAL STACK.
LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
UM, HAVE YOU USED THIS DESIGN IN O IN OTHER LOCATIONS? YES.
SO IT'S THE ISOLATED LAYOUT OR THE ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGH LAYOUT WITH THE DEPARTMENT? WELL, THERE'S NO DIRECT ACCESS.
YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH A PARKING TO WALTER'S POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH A PARKING LOT TO GET TO THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S NORMALLY LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A, LIKE BURGER KING ON ONE 19TH, APPROPRIATE EXAMPLE.
IT'S ALMOST A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
YOU GO LEFT TO PARK AND SIT, YOU GO STRAIGHT AND IT'S RIGHT INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE HERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE, HAVE THAT HERE.
TO YOUR POINT IS YOU COULD BE TYING UP A WHOLE MULTITUDE OF SPACES IF YOU GO BEYOND 33 CARS.
AND BECAUSE, AND THE REASON IS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN, THE ACCESS TO THE DRIVE THROUGH IS SO DISTANT FROM THE ENTRANCE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX THAT, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AND THIS DESIGN IS BUILT AROUND THE FLEXIBILITY OF THAT.
THE FLEXIBILITY OF, OKAY, DO WE NEED THE
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MORE PARKING SPOTS OR DO WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL STACKING? AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE CLOSE TO YOUR ENTRANCE TO THE ROAD.YOU DON'T WANT BACKING UP, YOU DON'T WANT BACKING UP TO THE ROAD.
WE, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES.
BUT YOU ALSO, I'M SUCH A LAUGH.
NOBODY'S READY, NOBODY'S FULLY READY TO COMMIT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH OR THE DINING ROOM RIGHT.
WHEN THEY PULL IN, REALLY, THERE'S ALSO HESITATION.
THERE'S ALWAYS HESITATION THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DRIVE-THROUGH LINE.
HOW, HOW FULL IS THAT DRIVE-THROUGH? OH, OKAY.
OR DO I JUST PARK AND RUN INTO THE BUILDING? RIGHT.
SOMETIMES THERE'S ALWAYS THAT THOUGHT.
YOU WANNA GET PEOPLE INTO THE SITE.
SO THEY MAKE THAT DECISION HERE AND NOT RIGHT HERE IN BLOCK TRAFFIC COMING IN OR GOING IN.
YOU EVER THOUGHT OF ESTIMATING WHEN THEY'RE IN LINE, LIKE HOW FAR THEY ARE, HOW MANY MINUTES IT IS FOR THEM TO GET, GET DELIVERED, LIKE, UH, AT AN AMUSEMENT PARK? YEAH.
UM, MAYBE IT JUST THAT THE TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEER COULD, BECAUSE YOU JUST MADE A STATEMENT THAT YOU DON'T WANT TRAFFIC BACKING UP INTO THE ROAD, BUT IT HAPPENS
SO I, MY, IT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? BECAUSE IT HAPPENS.
WELL, TO WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC EDIT.
AND, AND ONE THING CHARLIE HINTED TOWARDS IS, IS WE WANT MORE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE SITES YOU'RE REFERENCING.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE SITES AND EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS NEW PROTO AND MODEL.
WE, WE ORIGINALLY TRIED FINDING SOME SITES AND, AND THERE WERE SOME, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN, HALF A DOZEN AND DOZEN SITES.
SO WE WANNA ISOLATE, YOU KNOW, ANALYZING THOSE RIGHT SITES.
'CAUSE A LOT OF 'EM WERE THE OLD TRADITIONAL LAYOUT WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH WRAPS THE BUILDING MM-HMM.
AND THEN THE PARKING WRAPS THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
AND THAT IS A VERY SHORT DRIVE-THROUGH STACK THAT BACKS UP AND IT LOCKS DOWN, UM, ANYBODY GETTING INTO THE PARKING SPOTS.
AND IT, AND IT BLOCKS YOUR ACCESS.
SO TO ADDRESS THAT STATEMENT, WE REALLY GOTTA HONE IN ON THE DIFFERENCES OF WHAT MAKES THIS SITE DIFFERENT FROM THOSE SITES.
HOW DID WE RESOLVE THAT ISSUE TO SAY, YEAH, THAT SITE STARTS BACKING UP AT 20 CARS, BUT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE 30 CARS IN OUR DRIVE THROUGH TO AVOID THAT.
THAT'S THE DATA YOU ASKED FOR.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA GO BACK WITH.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT THOSE SITES AND ANALYZE THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS NEW MODEL AND, AND THOSE SITES AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE.
JUST HAVE A THOUGHT WHILE I'M LOOKING HERE.
WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO MAKE THAT DRIVE AISLE THE ONE THAT LEADS UP TO THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH A ONE WAY? I CAN'T TELL.
JUST SO THAT THOSE CARS WHO ARE PULLING OUT, YOU KNOW, ARE ONLY TRYING TO GO ONE DIRECTION JUST SO YOU HAVE LESS CARS TRYING TO PASS EACH OTHER.
ESPECIALLY IF, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
LET'S GET THROUGH THE OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
APOLOGIES TOM FOR INTERRUPTING.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE OPERATIONAL QUESTION.
SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO PHIL.
AND HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, TALK MORE ON, ON THE ONE WAY.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THE ONE WAY OPERATIONS DO FLOW BETTER, BUT IT CREATES A, A DEAD END CONDITION.
IT'S DRIVE EVERYBODY TOWARDS THE TRAFFIC IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY.
IT CREATES A DEAD END IF YOU'RE, AND PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE ARROWS ANYWAY.
SO FOUND THAT TODAY, PHIL, IF YOU WANNA DIVE INTO SOME OF THE, THE BACKGROUND ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE WRONG WAY,
THAT'S A TOUGH MAN OF THE HOUR.
PHILIP GREELEY, COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT LAST QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT ONE OF THE, THE, UH, ISSUES OF A ONE-WAY FLOW IS WE WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE SOME PARKING SPACES IN THAT AREA, UH, BECAUSE YOU LOSE SOME OF YOUR EFFICIENCY.
BUT I THINK THE, THIS AREA HERE, IF THIS WAS MADE ONE WAY, WE'LL LOOK AT HOW MANY SPACES WE ACTUALLY WOULD LOSE.
I THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO KEEP THIS AS TWO WAY.
IT WAS JUST FROM MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE REASONS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
BUT TO, TO TIE INTO THE, THE STACKING ISSUE, UH, WHICH I'LL, I'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE NUMBERS, BUT MANY OF THE OLDER SITES HAVE FEWER THAN 20 STACKING SPACES.
AND THEN IT GETS INTO THE PARKING AREA.
AND I'VE SEEN THESE IN OPERATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF SERVING, THEY'RE, THEY WERE DESIGNED BEFORE THEY HAD ALL THIS INFORMATION.
SO THIS DESIGN, COMPARED TO MANY THAT I'VE SEEN HAS, YOU KNOW, THIR 10 TO 13 MORE SPACES THAN SOME OF THOSE OPERATIONS.
BUT IN TERMS OF ONE WAY FLOW, UM, AGAIN, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SEE HOW MANY SPACES WE WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE HERE.
BECAUSE IF THIS WAS MADE ONE WAY AND THEN EVERYONE CIRCULATES
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AROUND THEN THERE WHEN LEAVING, UM, UH, MY GUESS IS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE AT LEAST FOUR SPACES BECAUSE AT WHEN YOU PARK AT THE ANGLE, YOU END UP LOSING SOME SPACES.AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PICK UP ANOTHER AISLE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD HAVE THE SPACES AT AN ANGLE IF IT WAS ONE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT ONE WAY, YOU WANT TO BE ANGLED.
BECAUSE IF YOU SIGN IT ONE WAY AND, AND YOU DO 90 DEGREE PARKING, PEOPLE IGNORE IT.
IGNORE IT, OR BACKING OUT OF A SPACE, THEY, THEY END UP GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY.
SO ACTUALLY, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF THE SLANTED PARKING SPACES, THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A APPROPRIATE TO HAVE 90 DEGREES AND SLANTED, BUT THE PARKING SPOTS ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT MM-HMM.
I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT RECOMMENDING THOSE BE SLANTED BECAUSE THEY'RE EASIER TO COME IN AND BACK OUT OF.
UM, MORE, MORE THAN LIKELY THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE PULLING IN FROM THE LEFT ON, WHAT IS THAT, UM, COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
COUNTY CENTER ROAD HERE WILL MOST LIKELY BE MAKING THAT HARD RIGHT INTO THAT AREA.
AT THE POINT THAT THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, THEY'LL BE MAKING A DECISION, AM I GOING TO THE DRIVE THROUGH OR PULL IN INTO A SPOT DIRECTION? YES.
SO IT'LL MAKE SENSE THAT IF WE HAVE TO GIVE UP A COUPLE OF PARKING SPOTS, MAKE ONE SIDE ANGLE.
EASY TO PULL IN, REDUCES THE LIKELIHOOD OF ACCIDENTS BACKING OUT.
AND, AND, AND THE LOT, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE NUMBER OF SPACES WITH THE STACKING, BUT, UM, I, I THINK JU JUST TO KIND OF START BA BACKWARDS DURING THE INITIAL OPENING PERIOD, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOUR CONSULTANT ASKED FOR WAS SOME MORE DETAILS ON THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN DURING THE INITIAL OPENING.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT'S TIED INTO THAT IS THE TEAM THAT COMES IN THAT TRAINS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL IS WE WOULD HAVE TEAM MEMBERS HERE IN THIS AREA TO, TO ASSIST PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF SPACES.
A TEAM MEMBER AT THE ENTRY POINT HERE, AND THEN AT AT PEAK TIMES TEAM MEMBERS HERE ALSO.
AND IN THE CASE, ONE OF THE THINGS HERE, UH, THE PARKING IN THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS IS FOR EMPLOYEES.
BUT IF THERE WAS AN EVENT WHERE WE NEEDED AN AREA TO, TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD, AGAIN, THE, THE TEAM THAT, THAT CONTROLS THIS, AND ESPECIALLY THE INITIAL OPENING PERIOD, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE THERE.
THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS HAD A RECENT, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WE DEVELOPED FOR A TRADER JOE'S IN NEW YORKTOWN.
AND AFTER THE FIRST TWO WEEKS, THINGS DIED DOWN.
PEOPLE KIND OF KNEW, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO GO WHEN THEY PARKED, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S, IT'S THAT INITIAL OPENING PERIOD THAT IS REALLY CRITICAL.
'CAUSE ONCE PEOPLE GET A BAD FLAVOR IN THEIR MOUTH, YOU DON'T WANT TO, UH, DEAL WITH IT.
SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER DETAILS PROVIDED IN OUR RESPONSES ABOUT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IN THE BEGINNING, AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR.
UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST DELVE INTO SOME OF THE, THE NUMBERS AND, AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
SO WE, WE'VE STARTED WORKING WITH YOUR CONSULTANT, UH, WITH THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, COMMISSIONER AND NEW YORK STATE, D O T.
UH, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM NEW YORK STATE, D O T.
THOSE ARE MOSTLY GONNA BE RELATIVE TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIGNALIZATION, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND, AND LO AGAIN, LOCATION OF DRIVEWAYS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND, AND INFORMATION ON, YOU KNOW, SOME PARTICULARS.
SO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, MORE OF YOUR GENERIC TRIP GENERATION, YOU KNOW, AT AT, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, MCDONALD'S, BURGER KING, UM, THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S THE PUBLISHED DATA.
UH, AS WE WORKED WITH THAT, WE THEN REQUESTED FROM CHICK-FIL-A SOME OTHER SITES WHERE STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR, UH, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENTIAL TRIPS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, MCDONALD'S MAY GENERATE A HUNDRED TRIPS AN HOUR, UH, IN PEAK TIMES IN THAT LUNCHTIME PERIOD AT 1130 TO 1230.
UH, THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE BASING THIS ON IS OVER 160 TRIPS IN A ONE HOUR PERIOD.
UH, THE DATA AND THERE, THERE'S SOME VARIATION IN TERMS OF DRIVE THROUGH USAGE IS SOMEWHERE IN
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60% OR HIGHER THAT USED THE DRIVE THROUGH ACTUALLY OF THE CHICK AWAY.UH, SO THE, THE TIME PERIODS THAT WE ANALYZED, UH, THE MORNING TIME PERIOD, BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN IN, IN THE MORNING, UH, MIDDAY IS THE CRITICAL IN TERMS OF THE, THE FLOW, UH, BOTH MIDDAY, WEEKDAY AND MIDDAY SATURDAY, WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND AGAIN, IN THOSE TIME PERIODS, YOU'RE LOOKING IN THAT 160 TO UPWARDS TO 170 VEHICLES PER HOUR COMING IN.
AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE.
SO YOU HAVE, UH, THE, THE, THAT'S THE PEAK PERIOD MIDDAY.
AND, AND THEN MANY OF THESE TRIPS, UH, OVER 40% ARE TYPICALLY ATTRACTED FROM THE TRAFFIC STREAM.
SO LOOKING AT THE VOLUMES AT THE PEAK TIMES ON ROUTE ONE 19 OR OVER 4,000 VEHICLES GOING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION OF OLD COUNTY CENTER, UH, UH, OLD SCO ROAD AQUEDUCT AND ONE 19 TO GIVE, GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF, OF WHAT KIND OF VOLUMES ARE, ARE PASSING THROUGH HERE.
WHEN YOU SAY ATTRACTED BY THE VOLUME, YOU MEAN PEOPLE SEEING THE SIGN AND DECIDING THEY WANT TO GO AS OPPOSED? IT, IT WOULD BE PASSED WHAT WE REFER TO AS DIVERTED LINK TRIPS OR PASS BY TRIPS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF, YOU KNOW, I'M READY FOR LUNCH AND I'M, I'M ALREADY IN MY TRAVELS, I'M GOING TO BE, I'M NOT GONNA BE A NEW TRIP TO THE ROADWAY.
I'M, I'M GOING TO PASS BY THE SITE AND GO IN AND, AND GET MY LUNCH.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S USUALLY A FUNCTION OF THE VOLUME THAT'S ON THE ROADWAY.
BUT A HIGH PERCENTAGE IN THOSE PEAK TIMES, YOU'RE ATTRACTING PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I WORKED, UH, IN AN OFFICE, YOU KNOW, IF I WORKED HERE AND I'M GOING OUT FOR LUNCH, OKAY, INSTEAD OF GOING TO BURGER KING TODAY, I WANT TO GO TO CHICK-FIL-A, SO I'M ALREADY GONNA BE ON THE ROADWAY.
IT'S DO I, I STILL HAVE TO TURN IN AND OUT OF THE, THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE VOLUME ON THE MAIN DRAG.
LIKE ONE 19 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CERTAIN SAYS AWAY FROM THE, THE LOCATION NOW HOW MUCH AT THE, AT THE LOCATION, YOU'RE GONNA STILL SEE THOSE 170.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUES ARE GONNA BE.
BUT ANOTHER QUESTION, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS.
I WOULD SUSPECT, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE NUMBERS ON THIS, THAT CHICK-FIL-A IS MORE OF A DESTINATION THAN SOME OTHER QSRS.
AM I RIGHT ON THAT? UM, YEAH, I, BECAUSE ON SOME OF THE OTHER FAST FOODS, THE PASS BY PERCENTAGES ARE UP TO 60%.
UH, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THAT'S INACCURATE.
YOU SAID THAT CHICK-FIL-A WAS MORE LIKE 40.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ANALYZED.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE CONSIDERED HERE.
60% ARE SETTING OUT TO GO AND IT'S, AND IT'S GONNA VARY, YOU KNOW, TIME OF DAY AND WHEN DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN OUR VALUES.
WHERE'S THE VOLUME IN THE MORNING? CAN'T BE MUCH IN THE MORNING.
IT'S, IT'S, AND IN THE EVENING, EVENING DRIVE IN THE PEAK IN THE, UH, RUSH HOUR.
PEAK HOUR, I'LL CALL THAT IT'S ABOUT 130 TRIPS.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING PEOPLE, THE, THE, 'CAUSE IT'S THE START OF THE, THE EATING HOURS IS OVERLAPS WITH THE COMMUTER HOURS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
LET, LEMME GO BACK, I THINK YOU SAID DURING THE PEAK HOURS YOU COULD EXPECT 160 TO 170 CARS COMING IN AND OUT PER HOUR.
WHERE PER HOUR? WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? THAT'S BASED ON, UH, SOME EXISTING CHICK-FIL-A SITES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT SIMILAR SIZE BUILDING.
SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SO WE, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ON THAT, BUT WE WERE GIVEN CERTAIN LOCATIONS WITH A SIMILAR SIZED BUILDING AND, UH, DATED THAT CORRELATED TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN TAKE A SMALLER BUILDING AND TRY TO CALCULATE IT OUT, IT WAS, UH, A SIMILAR SIZE.
AND THESE ALSO OUTTA MONTAN, THE, ARE THESE ALSO IN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY DENSELY POPULATED AREAS ON HEAVY TRAFFIC CORRIDOR.
SO E EVEN IF IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME POPULATION IN THE WHOLE AREA ON THE CORRIDOR, SIMILAR TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
I, I THINK, HAVE YOU SUPPLIED THAT KIND OF BASIC INFORMATION TO OUR ENGINEER? WE'VE, WE'VE JUST PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THE, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
WE HAVEN'T GIVEN 'EM ALL THE BACKUP OF WHICH LOCATION AND, AND ALL THE PARTS.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE THAT RELATIVELY HANDY, YOU SHOULD SUPPLY THAT.
IS ONE, LEMME JUST, UM, ONE OTHER FACTOR THOUGH THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS SITE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE, RIGHT? IF CHICK-FIL-A IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND 40%
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OF THE BUSINESS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AT THE MOMENT POINT, YOU KNOW, POINT OF POINT OF VIEW.THIS ONE ISN'T, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THERE ISN'T A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITHIN MILE AND A HALF.
YOU HAVE, SO IT'S SHAKE SHAKE.
NO, YOU'VE GOT SMASH BURGER, WHICH IS NOT BASH BURGER, WHICH IS NOT REALLY A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IN VERY LOW VOLUME.
THE, THE CLOSEST ONE IS BURGER KING.
WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE FROM THIS.
I SOMETHING THAT YOU GOTTA LOOK INTO WHEN YOU'RE LOOK ESTIMATING THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.
I, I KNOW WHY YOU WANTED, YOU HAVE TO FACILITY, YOU HAVE TO DOWN CENTRAL YOU LOT OF TRAFFIC AND, AND VERY FEW OPTIONS FOR, FOR PE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
FOR DRIVE THROUGHS IN PARTICULAR.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU INDICATED IN TERMS OF THE STACKING, THAT DEPENDING UPON THE DESIGN YOU COULD GET DIFFERENT TYPES OF STACKING ON THE FACILITY.
SOME THAT HAVE THE LOOP AROUND.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA TO SAY ON OUR LATEST DESIGN, THIS IS THE DATA AND THIS IS HOW MANY CARS WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE.
AND THIS IS HOW MUCH, LIKE GOING BACK TO THE FACILITY, UH, AND I SAW IN NORTH CAROLINA, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE NEWER DESIGN.
AND WHEN I WENT THERE AT ONE 30, THIS WAS SLIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE PEAK HOUR, YES.
THERE WAS ABOUT 36 CARS IN THE QUEUE AND THERE WAS ABOUT ANOTHER 70 THAT WENT INTO THE PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THOSE CARS BLOCKING BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE AISLE OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO I LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW, AND, AND THE NEWER DESIGN, HOW IS THAT HANDLE THAT YOU DON'T GET BACK? THERE WAS NO BACKUP INTO THE ROAD IN THAT PARTICULAR YES.
BECAUSE YOU HAD ENOUGH SPACE IN THE PARKING LOT MM-HMM.
SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW WOULD THAT DESIGN APPLY TO THIS? UH, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE OLDER DESIGNS MM-HMM.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW.
IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY GIVE US THE LOCATION.
THERE'S, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, A LOT OF DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA.
I'LL HAVE TO, I JUST ROUGHLY YEAH.
I, WELL, MY FRIEND LIVES IN SOUTH CHARLOTTE IN BERG COUNTY, THE COUNTY JUST BEFORE YOU GET INTO SOUTH CAROLINA.
WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF END ABOUT NINE TONIGHT FOR THIS.
'CAUSE WE STILL STILL GOT TWO CASES BEYOND YOU GUYS YES.
TONIGHT THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET ON.
SO YOU GOT, YOU GET ANOTHER HALF AN HOUR.
AND WE WANNA LEAVE A LITTLE TIME FOR MR. CANNING AS WELL.
SO, SO, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET IN A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE, THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT JOHN CANNING HAD ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS.
UH, THE PROJECT IS, UH, PROPOSING IMPROVEMENTS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LANE ON OLD KENCO ROAD.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A THREE LANE APPROACH, UH, TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH, UH, WHITE PLAINS AND NOW WITH, UH, NEW YORK STATE D O T, UH, ON UPGRADING THE SIGNAL, WHICH IS NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY, UH, RELATIVE TO ACTUATION AND THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM.
SO THAT WILL ADVANCE BECAUSE NOW THE D O T IS GETTING INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
WE CAN NOW COORDINATE IT AND MR. CANNING WILL BE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ALSO.
UM, RIGHT NOW, AS I RECALL IT, THAT INTERSECTION'S A D I BELIEVE SO IN, IN THE WORST TIME PERIOD.
AND IT'S OPERATING ON A FIXED TIME OPERATION, UH, WHICH IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
AND I WOULD ALSO SUSPECT THAT D IS IN THE MORNING.
THE, IT DEPENDS WHICH APPROACH.
SO THERE'S, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST OLD KEN SECRET YES.
THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE, THAT'S THE, IN YOUR HEAVIEST FLOW CURRENTLY IS IN THE MORNING COMING OUT OF ALL KENSICO.
PEOPLE GOING TO WORK IS NOT, WHICH IS A TIME WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PEE PERIOD.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RATING IS AT AT MIDDAY? UH, MIDDAY.
I BELIEVE IT'S CURRENTLY C BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, THE FORMER
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ERNESTO'S PROPERTY.'CAUSE IT'S BEING VACANT, YOU KNOW, WE INCLUDED THAT AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND.
AND WE ALSO DID AN EXTRA SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS INCREASE IN THE 1 1 19 FLOWS BASED ON WHITE PLAINS TRAFFIC, UH, PROJECTIONS.
SO I THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF EXTERNAL TRAFFIC, WE'VE TRIED TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING.
I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ON THE SITE TRAFFIC, WE CAN GET MORE, UH, INFORMATION TO YOU, UH, ON WHAT I THINK THOSE NUMBERS THINK.
MR. BEGINNING SAID, WERE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU SUGGESTED THAT IT WOULD END UP ADDING ABOUT 10 SECONDS OF WEIGHT IN TOTAL, IN, IN THE, IN THE VERY WORST TIME.
I, I BELIEVE IN THE AFTERNOON RUSH ARROW BECAUSE THE VOLUMES ARE SO HEAVY ON ROUTE ONE 19.
THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECTED, UH, DELAY WOULD BE.
UH, SO CAN I GO BACK TO WHAT YOU, AND AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT INTERSECTION, I THOUGHT YOU STARTED TO SAY RIGHT NOW IT'S A FIXED TIMING.
SO, SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE, THE CURRENT ACTUATION IS NOT FUNCTIONING.
THEY'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE FORMER LOOP DETECTORS AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME VIDEO THAT'S NOT WORKING PROPERLY, NOT FUNCTIONING.
SO, SO IT'S NOT RESPONDING TO THE TRAFFIC, IT'S NOT RESPONDING TO THE, TO THE LOADING THE WAY, THE WAY IT SHOULD.
SO IT'S VERY INEFFICIENT RIGHT NOW, UM, IN, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHETHER WE END UP MAKING THEM OR THE CITY OR THE STATE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT US JUST KNOWING HOW THINGS WORK.
UM, BUT WOULD IMPROVE THE VIDEO DETECTION FOR THIS INTERSECTION.
YOU REALLY NEED MULTIPLE CAMERAS TO DO IT EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE IT'S SO SPREAD OUT.
UM, THIS SIGNAL IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE CITY'S ADAPTIVE SYSTEM, BUT AGAIN, WITHOUT THE VIDEO DETECTION, IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING.
SO THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO SQUEEZE OUT AS MUCH CAPACITY FROM THE CURRENT SYSTEM MODIFIED WITH VIDEO DETECTION AND THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM, BUT ALSO THE GEOMETRIC IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS ADDED THE ADDING THE LANE HERE.
UH, AND, AND WE DO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIANS HERE, UH, PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS.
AND OF COURSE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE EFFICIENCY OF THE OPERATION, UH, WITH, WITH THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL.
SO THERE, THERE ARE A LOT MORE DETAILS THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT AS TO WHO PAYS FOR WHAT.
AND YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON TIMING.
THE, THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED THIS TO BE UPGRADED, BUT IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC DATE YET.
SO, UM, AND THE STATE, D O T, UH, WHICH IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY JUST APPROVED, UH, A SITE ON CENTRAL AVENUE IN YONKERS NEAR, UH, SOUTH OF CRISFIELD STREET.
BUT, SO THEY'VE REALLY DELVED INTO IT AND, YOU KNOW, GOTTEN INTO THE DETAILS OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
THAT, THAT INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, FROM TARRYTOWN AND OLD KENSICO, WHO HAS JURISDICTIONS? IT, THE STATE, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
'CAUSE IT'S DON IN WHITE PLAIN.
SO, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT IN WHITE PLAINS.
THE SIG THE WHITE PLAINS LINE ENDS THERE.
HOWEVER, IT'S PART OF THE SYSTEM.
SO IT'S, IT'S DT STATE D O T CONTROLLED SIGNAL.
HOWEVER, IT'S PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT EXTENDS FROM WHITE PLAINS, UH, ON THE OTHER SIGNALS THAT ARE ALONG THAT SECTION OF ONE 19.
THE WHOLE FLOW DOWN HAS TO BE COORDINATED.
SO, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN HAS CONTROL OF, HAS CONTROL OF OLD SCO AND COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE AGENCY HERE THAT'S INVOLVED.
THE MORE THE MERRIER I THINK THEY SAY.
DID WE WANT TO HEAR FROM JOHN? JUST LAST, YOU SAID YOU'RE PUTTING THE EXTRA LANE? YES.
TAKE WHERE'S THE PROPERTY COMING FROM? FROM YOUR SITE.
WE COMING FROM THAT I'M RECOMMENDATION.
UM, JOHN, UM, YOU WITH US? YES, I AM LISTENING.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, COMMENT AT THIS POINT PLEASE? AND THANK YOU.
UM, WELCOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, FOR THE RECORD, JOHN CANNING WITH KIMBERLY HORNE.
AND I GUESS THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO ASK BILL IS IF HE CAN GET SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION FROM THE NEW YORK
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STATE D O T THAT THEY GENERALLY AGREE TO, UH, THE ADDITION OF THE LEFT TURN LANE.THEY'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS FOR IT, BUT WE WANT THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND IF THE APPLICANT SUBMITS HIS, THE APPLICATION, THEY'LL WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND IF THEY COMPLETE THE PROCESS SUCCESSFULLY, THEN THEY'LL APPROVE THE, THE LEFT TURN LANE.
BUT I, BECAUSE MITIGATION FOR THIS PROJECT HINGES LARGELY ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT LANE OR THE RETRIP OF THAT LANE.
AND IF THIS BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT AND THEN D O T WERE TO TELL THE APPLICANT THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DISAGREED WITH THEM AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THE LANE PUT IN, THEN YOU'D HAVE THE PROJECT WITH NO MITIGATION.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING IS I WOULD ASK UNDERSTOOD TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET SOME SORT OF A LETTER OR EMAIL FROM D O T SAYING THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT AND THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED, DESIGNED THAT IT'S A STANDARD LETTER.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, JOHN, UM, AND I'LL SEND YOU A COPY OF THE INITIAL CORRESPONDENCE.
SO WE'VE MADE AN ADVANCE, UH, SUBMISSION TO, TO D O T.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE RECEIVED ANY CIRCULATIONS FROM THE TOWN SPECIFICALLY.
UH, BUT WE SUBMITTED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, THE FOLLOW-UP TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT JOHN HAD ASKED FOR, AND SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP AS WELL AS THE INITIAL CONCEPT PLAN.
WE WERE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING MORE DETAILED DESIGN ON THIS IMPROVEMENT SO THAT WHEN WE GET THAT INITIAL CONFIRMATION, BECAUSE THE, THE TIME WITH D O T TAKES A VERY LONG TIME.
WELL, I THINK THE WAY TO SOLVE THAT, JOE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I WOULD JUST MAKE THE PERMIT SUB SUBJECT TO D O T APPROVAL.
THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY TO SOLVE THAT.
OR IT WOULD BE, AND I THINK WHAT JOHN'S SAYING IS JUST CONCEPTUALLY LEFT, UH, DOES THE DEPARTMENT AGREE WITH THE IMPROVEMENT MEAN WITHOUT THE LEFT TURN, IT'S GONNA BE MUCH, WON'T, DOESN'T WORK.
MORE DIFFICULT PROJECT TO APPROVE.
WE IDENTIFIED THAT EARLY AND CHICK-FIL-A APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE IT.
WHAT I SAW IN THE OPENING PLAN ON THESE PLANS, YOUR FIRST SUBMISSION, THAT WAS LIKE, OH, THEY'RE THINKING AHEAD.
BECAUSE THAT DEFINITELY WOULD'VE BEEN A HUGE ISSUE.
IT STILL, IT STILL WILL BE AN ISSUE, I GUARANTEE IT.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE LESS OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT LEFT TURN LINE THAN IT WAS, I I THINK IT HELPS TREMENDOUSLY IN THE MORNING PEAK FOR THE RESIDENTS.
WHICH IS A TIME WHEN WE DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
BUT, UH, TO GET BACK TO WALTER'S QUESTION, BOARDMAN WALTER, UH, ALL OF THE LAND IS ON OUR SIDE OF OLD KENSICO ROAD AND WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, UH, DOING ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THERE, REBUILDING THE SIDEWALK, REPLACING THE, THE PED, UH, PUSH BUTTONS AND, AND CONTROLS AND UPGRADING ALL THE A D A REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SORRY, JOHN, DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOUR NO, NO PROBLEM.
AND I, I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MANY CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE SITE PLAN SINCE THE LAST SUBMISSION, MOST OF WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED UPON.
I'LL JUST ADD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MONITOR THE OPERATION OF THE LEFT TURN, EXITING THE SITE ONTO OLD KENSICO ROAD.
AND IF NE NECESSARY, THEY WOULD NOT OBJECT TO THE REINSTATEMENT OF THEIR LEFT TURN PROHIBITION AT THAT LO LOCATION.
AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO WILLING TO CONSIDER SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, UH, ELIMINATING ONE OF THE TWO DRIVEWAYS IN THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS ON ALL KENSICO ROAD AND MAYBE PROVIDE A COUPLE OF MORE PARKING SPACES.
THE TRUTH, HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, GO AHEAD.
COUNTY CENTERS, YOU MEAN? ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
OH, I SEE YOU HAVE TWO EMPLOYEE COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
UH, JOHN, UH, MR. CANNING, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS PLANNING BOARD WOULD AGREE TO NO LEFT TURN, TURN OUT OF THERE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A MATERIAL CHANGE THAT WOULD BE A MATERIAL CHANGE DRIVING THE, THE CARS TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THERE.
I THINK SO JUST, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.
WHEN AS AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS YEAH.
SO, AND, AND THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
LET ME JUST SORT OF BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THAT LEFT TURNOUT BE PROHIBITED.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT OUT, GO AROUND THE CIRCLE AND GO BACK.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, PUT FORWARD THE ARGUMENT THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION FROM HERE.
AND BECAUSE THE CUES SHOW THAT THE QUEUE WON'T EXTEND TO THE NEW DRIVEWAY LOCATION, IT SHOULD BE OKAY TO PROHIBIT THE LEFT TURN AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO TURN DIRECTLY OUT AND GO OUT TO ONE 19 INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND THE CIRCLE.
IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO PERMIT THAT OR NOT, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO AGREED THAT IF THE BOARD DOES PERMIT IT, AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE A PROBLEM, THAT THEY WOULD NOT OBJECT TO HAVING THE
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TERM PROHIBITION REINSTATED.I'M SAYING WE MIGHT, THE BOARD MAY OBJECT TO THE SECOND OPTION.
WELL, I WOULD SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
NOT AFTER, BECAUSE IT IS, IT WILL CLEARLY BE A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION IF THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT LEFT TURNOUT.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I KNOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND, I'VE DEALT WITH TWO PROJECTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY, WEST HAVE AND NESTOS TWICE.
SO THREE PROJECTS ACTUALLY OVER THE TIME.
AND I CAN TELL YOU REACTION OF NOT ALLOWING LEFT OUT IS GOING TO BE, MAKE THINGS MORE DIFFICULT.
SO I, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS, NOT AFTER, BUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING MAKES SENSE TO ME, WHICH IS ALLOW IT AND REVIEW IT AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, MAYBE A YEAR.
AND IF THERE'S ALL SORTS OF BACKUPS AND CONFLICTS AND FENDER BENDERS OR WHATEVER, THEN MAYBE YOU SAY, MAYBE IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
BUT WHAT I HEAR IS THEY'RE ALLOWING IT, BUT THEY WANNA REVIEW IT LATER.
WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA CREATE, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS PREMATURE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS TO HANDLE IT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA RESOLVE EVERYTHING ON THIS APPLICATION, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC STUDY.
YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT THE LEFT TURN IS PROHIBITED ON THE OTHER HAND MM-HMM.
SO WE GOTTA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO AUTOMATIC PROHIBITION LEFT.
IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A PUBLIC, IT WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS, AND YOUR CONSULTANT HAD ASKED FOR THIS.
SO WE HAD PROPOSED REMOVING THE EX THE EXISTING RESTRICTION.
UH, WE DID ANALYZE IT BOTH WITH AND WITHOUT THAT RESTRICTION.
SO THE NUMBERS ARE IN THE STUDY AND IT SHOWS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
AGAIN, OUR, BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS AND THE QUEUING, UH, WITH THE DRIVEWAY MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SIGNAL, WE FEEL IT'S BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
UH, BUT WE DID ANALYZE IT BOTH WAYS.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH, THERE'S, AGAIN, UNIQUE ABOUT A CHICK-FIL-A VERSUS WHAT ELSE COULD GO IN THERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE A MOVIE THEATER OR EVEN A A, A SHOPPING CENTER WHERE YOU CAN HAVE 15, 20 CARS COMING OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU HAVE AN AUTOMATIC FILTER FOR THAT.
IT'S CALLED THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THEY'RE ONLY GONNA, ONLY SO MANY COULD GO OUT AT ONE TIME, WHICH ACTUALLY HELPS, IT MAY HURT ON THE OTHER END, BUT IT HELPS ON AS THEY'RE LEAVING.
SO THAT HAS TO BE, FA OBVIOUSLY FACTORED IN INTO THIS AS WELL.
BUT IF, IF WE HAVE DATA FOR A LEFT HAND TURN AND DATA FOR A RIGHT HAND TURN, LET'S MAKE SURE THE DATA IS PRESENTED FROM THE, THE THEN AT THAT POINT WE COULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ALLOW IT DISALLOW IT OR TEMPORARY ALLOW IT AND REVIEW IT AT A LATER TIME.
LET'S LOOK AT THE DATA AND LET THE DATA DRIVE THE DECISION.
AND, AND I THINK MR. CANNING HAS OKAY.
IT'D BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM HIM, JOHN.
SO I, I HAVE REVIEWED THE DATA, BUT I THINK, UH, GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ISSUE THAT MR. GREENY CAN PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE MEMORANDUM AND JUST PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE SO WE CAN FOCUS JUST ON THAT ISSUE.
REMOVE FROM ALL OF THE OTHER QUEUING AND PARKING ISSUES.
THE PROBLEM IS IF THEY'RE JUST GOING AROUND THE CIRCLE, IT'D BE ONE THING.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
THE PROBLEM IS INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AROUND THE CIRCLE, THEY END UP IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THERE.
THAT'S GONNA BE, AT LEAST WHETHER THAT'S REAL OR NOT, THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE A CONCERN.
PARTICULARLY THINK ABOUT WHEN, WHEN NINETEEN'S BACKED UP.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK THAT'S A SHORTCUT TO 2 87, EVEN IF IT'S NOT.
UM, JUST CONTINUING WITH, UH, SOME COMMENTS I HAD, UH, WE STILL HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT QUEUING AND PARKING CAPACITIES AT THE SITE, PARTICULARLY IN THE FIRST MONTHS OF OPERATION BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS OF THE BRAND.
UH, WE DID OBSERVE A QUEUE OF 30 VEHICLES AT ONE 40 ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2017, IN THE NORWALK CHICK-FIL-A, UH, WHICH EXTENDED BACK FOR A DISTANCE OF 630 FEET FROM THE PICKUP WINDOW AND INCLUDED CARS SNAKING FOR A DISTANCE OF 340 FEET THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
UH, WE ALSO OBSERVED A QUEUE OF 46 VEHICLES
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AT TWO O'CLOCK ON SUNDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, 2020 IN RAMSEY, NEW JERSEY AT THE CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH EXTENDED BACK FOR A DISTANCE OF 640 FEET FROM THE PICKUP WINDOW, AND WHICH INCLUDED CARS SNAKING FOR A DISTANCE OF 300 FEET THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.SO THESE OBVIOUSLY MAY BE PARTLY CONDITIONS RELATED TO COVID FOR SATURDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, 2020.
AND MAYBE RELATED TO THE OPENING, UH, OF THE FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, LET ME GIVE THIS THING A TRY.
UM, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THIS CHICK-FIL-A WILL BE SUCCESSFULLY MAYBE NOT QUITE, NOT QUITE AS, UH, TRAFFICKED AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER CHICK-FIL-A'S OPENING IN THE AREA, WHICH HELPS.
UH, SO YOU WILL INTERCEPT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE COMING FROM THE YONKERS, WHO WOULDN'T INSTEAD GO TO THE OTHER CHICK-FIL-A DOWN THERE.
BUT I THINK THIS TOWN DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE A REPEAT OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE READ ABOUT ON THE INTERNET.
AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE A FIRM, UH, COMMITTED, UNDERSTOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AND THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO DATE IS A GOOD START, BUT IT'S MORE DESCRIPTIVE OF HOW EFFECTIVE THEY THINK THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE.
WHEREAS I THINK WE WANT AN INSTRUCTIVE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THE OPERATOR IS GONNA TAKE OUT ON A MONDAY AT LUNCHTIME AND SAY, OKAY GUYS, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS WE HAVE TO DO.
AND, AND THE PLAN SHOULD SHOW WHERE THEY WILL ACCOMMODATE, UH, ADDITIONAL QUEUING IF IT OCCURS, AND WHERE THEY WILL STATION STAFF.
UM, MR. GREELEY HAS PROVIDED A GRAPHIC, UH, WITH HIS LATEST SUBMITTAL, WHICH SHOWS WHERE THE STAFF WOULD BE LOCATED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF HE COULD DEMONSTRATE WHERE THE VEHICLES WOULD QUEUE AND HOW LONG IT WOULD BE.
UM, WE HAVE SLIGHTLY LESS RESERVATIONS FOR PARKING, BUT I DO NOTE THAT THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW FOCUSING ON THE, AROUND THE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT MARK, UH, IT INDICATES A PEAK PARKING DEMAND FOR APPROXIMATELY 70 VEHICLES.
THAT'S PARKING, NOT PARKING, QUEUING.
UH, THE SITE IS PROVIDED WITH 80 VEHICLES AND THERE IS SOME VARIABILITY IN THAT DATA.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN 70 VEHICLES.
BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT CHICK-FIL-A DATA, UM, ONLINE THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO US.
AND THE DATA THAT WE HAVE SEEN HAS BEEN MORE IN THE ORDER OF, UH, 60 VEHICLES IN NORWALK.
I THINK IT WAS 62 VEHICLES IN NORWALK ON ONE DAY, ABOUT TWO YEARS AFTER THE, THAT'S PARKED.
AND, AND I PROVIDE THIS MATERIAL.
UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE, IF I MAY SHARE MY SCREEN, IS THAT POSSIBLE, AARON? YES.
UH, I'M GOING TO PICK UP A LITTLE BIT ON ONE OF THE BOARD'S COMMENTS.
AND, UM, I, I WAS ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEN, UH, AND I GOTTA GET THIS ON THE RIGHT SCREEN.
I'M SHOWING YOU ALL MY GOOD CALCULATIONS HERE.
OH, WE'LL HAVE THE SECRET SAUCE THEN, JOHN.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS THE DRIVE THROUGH AS IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S REALLY BUSY AT THE START AND YOU DON'T NEED AS MUCH PARKING FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THE QUEUING IS THE BUSIER THING, YOU COULD, YOU PUT UP SOME CONES AND HAVE PEOPLE QUEUE THROUGH HERE.
AND SO THAT'S ONE MEANS TO EXTEND THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND, AND I KINDA LIKED THAT SUGGESTION AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU COULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND IF YOU TOOK THIS CURB HERE AND STRAIGHTENED IT OUT, THEN YOU'D MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO DO.
AND ALL YOU'RE DOING IS CHANGING THE SITE PLAN BY THIS.
AND THEN ON A REGULAR BASIS IT WOULD JUST KIND OF LOOK LIKE THIS.
SO IT'S MORE OR LESS THE SAME IF YOU, IF YOU START OFF LIKE THIS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED AND THE PARKING IS OKAY, AND THE QUEUE, QUEUE IS OKAY, BUT THEN IF YOU FIND THAT AT THE OPENING THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKING ISN'T AS ROBUST AS YOU EXPECT, BUT THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH IS, YOU COULD JUST FLIP IT BACK TO THIS AND IT'S READY TO GO.
SO JOHN, ARE YOU SAYING INSTEAD OF A CURB, IT WOULD JUST BE STRIPED? MM-HMM.
IN IN THIS INSTANCE, IN THIS INSTANCE HERE, INSTEAD OF A CURB, IT WOULD BE STRIPED.
AND THEN CREATE THE LINE WITH CONES AND JOHN.
YOU MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL TO UTILIZE CONES TO SO, SO THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THIS INSTANCE.
YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD IF, IF YOU WANTED TO AND WANTED TO MAKE IT PERMANENT.
IF, IF OVER THE LONG HAUL YOU DETERMINED, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED 80 SPACES, WE NEED 65 AND WE'VE GOT 65.
UH, BUT WE DO NEED MORE QUEUING.
YOU COULD COME IN AND PUT A STRIPE DOWN HERE.
THIS COULD STILL BE A DRIVE VI FOR THE PIECE PARKERS.
AND THE DRIVE THROUGH COULD GO HERE AND YOU COULD SUPPLEMENT IT WITH CODES IF YOU WANT.
HOW LONG IS THE CURRENT PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH? I KNOW IT'S 33 CARS.
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I'M GONNA OFFER THAT IF IT'S 33 CARS, THE WAY THEY'VE GOT IT SHOWN, IT'S 15 TIMES 20, IT'S 300 FEET.AND THIS ADDS HOW MANY CARS? IF THAT ADDED, THAT ADDED, UM, I'M GONNA SAY IT ADDS, LET'S SAY 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
I, I JUST HAD A CRAZY THOUGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
WHAT IF YOU EXTENDED THE DRIVE-THROUGH INTO, OVER WHAT IS THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT JUST TO EXTEND THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVE-THRU IS THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE? YEAH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THING YOU CAN BUILD OVER THINGS WITH A, WITH A COLUMN
WELL, YOU NEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE A, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS BECAUSE IT'S BEING PERMITTED AS A COMMERCIAL PARKING AREA SO OPERATIONS CAN'T STAND.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'D BE ONE WAY OF EXTENDING IT WITHOUT TAKING AWAY, UH, CUSTOMER PARKING.
THE HOUR LANE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH IS 360 FEET.
SO YEAH, TO JOHN'S POINT, THAT WAS MY EARLIEST SUGGESTION.
I'M CURIOUS THE RATIO OF PARKED CARS VERSUS HOW MUCH YOU NEED FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT 60% OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC IS TYPICALLY DRIVE THROUGH.
YOU REALLY NEED A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.
DO YOU NEED ALL OF THOSE SPOTS? YOU ALREADY HAVE A VARIANCE, UH, A REQUEST HERE FOR ONE 13 VERSUS HOW MUCH IS IT 1 1 43.
SO IF YOU WERE TO REDUCE THAT BY, WHAT'S THE, ON THE LEFT? 16, I THINK 15, 16 SPOTS, IS IT GONNA BE THAT DETRIMENTAL TO THE BUSINESS AT ALL OR WOULD IT REALLY HELP WITH THE FLOW? I THINK YOU'D MAKE IT FLEXIBLE.
SO I, I THINK THE IDEA THAT JOHN IS RAISING IS TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS, IS KIND OF WHAT WE, IN OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH AGAIN IS JUST A DRAFT, UH, FOR THE INITIAL OPENING, WE FELT THAT WOULD BE THE AREA THAT WE WOULD USE.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THREE TEAM MEMBERS POSITIONED ALONG THAT AREA TOGETHER WITH COS TO DIRECT PEOPLE.
AND THAT IS THE AREA THAT WE WOULD USE DURING THAT INITIAL OPENING.
NOW WHAT JOHN IS SAYING IS OVER TIME, IF THE INITIAL OPENING CONTINUES AND THERE'S MORE DRIVE-THROUGH AREA, THEN ACTUAL PARKING.
THE NUMBERS WE'RE PROVIDING IS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM OTHER CHICK-FIL-A IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF SPACES VERSUS Q.
BUT EVERY LOCATION MAY VARY SOMEWHAT.
THIS PLAN GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AND WHAT JOHN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS BROUGHT UP ABOUT USING THAT AREA, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS IN THE INITIAL OPENING, BUT JOHN'S RECOMMENDATION HERE WOULD ALLOW A VERY EASY SHIFT FROM A TEMPORARY TO A PERMANENT CONDITION.
WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF THE QUEUE WITH THAT? THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY APPROACHING ABOUT 50 VEHICLES WITH THAT CHANGE.
WITH, WITH, WITH THE TEMPERATURE.
APPROXIMATELY, I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SITES THAT WALTER'S BROUGHT UP, THAT THEY'VE HAD THESE TYPE OF CONCERNS, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION VERSUS NOW, NOT SAYING THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOOR AND THE PARKING SITUATION IS FLAWED, BUT IF, IF, IF WE PLAN FOR MORE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH PHENOMENON THAT THE ACTUAL PARKING, I SEE THAT THERE'S LESS, THERE SHOULD BE LESS LIKELIHOOD OF A FAILURE.
AND THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR ADJUSTMENTS AND THE LIKE.
SO I, I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NUMBER ONE, ALL OF THE DATA THAT WALTER MENTIONED.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW RECENT THOSE SPOTS ARE.
THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS IN PARTICULAR MM-HMM.
AND, UH, SEE HOW THAT COMPARES TO WHAT WE JUST RECOMMENDED WITH THAT LANE, PARTICULARLY IN PARTICULAR CLOSE.
WELL, SPECIFICALLY, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I THINK THINK, UH, MR. REEK BROUGHT IT UP, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT THE ONES THAT HAVE THE NEW CONFIGURATION.
ANYTHING WITH A SINGLE LANE THING IS IRRELEVANT.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AT THIS POINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE WANNA LOOK AT THIS KIND OF OPERATION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY STORES YOU HAVE LIKE THAT NATIONWIDE? WITH THE NEW
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CONFIGURATION? WITH THE NEW CONFIGURATION? UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU.BUT ENOUGH TO HAVE SOLID, A GOOD SAMPLE SIZE.
AND THE PARKING DATA THAT WE PROVIDED WAS TRYING TO REPLICATE A SIMILAR SITE.
DESIGN ALL I SO THE NEW CONFIGURATION IS RELATIVELY RECENT.
MIGHT WANNA GO UP TO THE PODIUM HERE.
THE NOR THE NORWALK ONE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE AND IT'S, IT'S GOT, I THINK IT'S IN THIS CONFIGURATION.
UH, THE CHICK-FIL-A MODEL'S ALWAYS REVOLVED AND ALWAYS TRYING TO LEARN FROM OTHER LOCATIONS BE BETTER SO THEY DON'T HAVE STACKING TRAFFIC, PARKING ISSUES.
SO THIS MODEL, UH, THE BIGGEST ROLLOUT OF CHANGE WAS THROUGH COVID.
YOU KNOW, IT EXPERIENCED DIFFERENT DEMAND ON PARKING LOTS AND DRIVE THROUGH STACKS AND THEIR BUSINESS IS SUCCESSFUL WHERE THEY'VE NEEDED TO INCREASE THE DRIVE THROUGH STACKS.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING ON CHICK-FIL-A'S YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AGO, OUR TARGET WAS 15 TO 16 CARS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
'CAUSE THEY'VE LEARNED HOW MUCH NEW YORKERS LIKE CHICK-FIL-A TO GROW TO GET, THEY DON'T LIKE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS.
I MEAN, UM, PARKING LOTS HAD 40 CARS.
NOW WE'RE DESIGNING 70 80, UH, PARKING SPOTS BECAUSE THE BUSINESS HAS GROWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THE BOARD'S ASKING FOR A LOT OF DATA.
CHICK-FIL-A IS DOING THAT JUST NATURALLY LEARNING FROM OTHER SITES.
IT'S GREAT THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE ASKING TO, TO MAKE THESE SITES BETTER.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THOSE ISSUES EITHER.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE BACKGROUND.
BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THIS LAYOUT.
SO REALLY SINCE COVID, THEY, THEY CHANGED THE BUILDING PROTOTYPE.
THEY'VE CHANGED THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND UH, THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE WAS THE CANOPIES.
'CAUSE THAT'S EXPEDITING THE SERVICE FROM TEAM MEMBERS.
SO, UM, TO YOUR POINT, THOSE ARE THE OTHER SAMPLE LOCATIONS THAT WE SHOULD STUDY THAT ARE GONNA OPERATE SIMILAR.
I GO AHEAD WALTER, ONE MORE THING.
THE OTHER IS THAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE I THE QUEUES, WHAT, 51 OR 52 CARS? WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THOSE EXTRA CARS ON THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT? WHERE WILL THOSE OTHER CARS QUEUE? WHERE WOULD, IF YOU HAVE FOUR 50, THAT'S WHAT THE TEMPORARY, THAT'S WHAT THE TEMPORARY, YEAH.
SO I, I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA.
NO, WITH THE TEMPORARY IT GOES UP TO 52.
WHAT IF YOU HAVE 60 OR 70, WHERE THE, WHERE WILL YOU LOCATE THOSE ADDITIONAL CARS? SO GREEN.
SO, WALTER, WALTER, UM, THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHY I WANT A HARDER, UM, PLAN FOR THE, THE GO PLAN, THE GRAND OPENING PLAN.
WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE 50, 60, OR 70 CARS, BUT IF IT JUST HAPPENS, LET'S HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK KIND OF UGLY.
BUT THE CONCEPT MIGHT BE THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE THE CARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR THE HAND.
YOU CONTINUE THE CARS, THEY QUEUE UP HERE, THE QUEUE UP HERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GET TO HERE? THEY GO OUT ON THE STREET, THEY GO BACK TO HERE.
'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA GET THE, AT THE BACK OF A QUEUE HERE AND WAIT 45 MINUTES TO GET A CHICK-FIL-A AND CHICK-FIL-A IS GREAT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA WAIT THAT LONG FOR IT PEOPLE.
BUT MY POINT IS, WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST PLAN AND, AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE CAN MAKE IT WORK FOR A SHORT TERM.
JOHN, JOHN, IF THIS IS A SHORT TERM AND NESTOS IS EMPTY, IF YOU HAD PEOPLE DOING TRAFFIC CONTROL ON THAT ON THAT STREET, WHY COULDN'T YOU QUEUE THE, ANY OVERFLOW BEYOND THAT, ACROSS THE STREET AT NESTOS? WELL, THERE'S TWO REASONS.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT WITH NESTOS.
I'M SURE THEY WEREN'T EXEMPT
WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AGREEMENT BECAUSE HE HAD, THERE'S LIABILITY INVOLVED AND HE'D WANT INSURANCE.
THE SECOND THING IS YOU PUT THEM IN THERE NOW TO COME OUT.
THEY'VE GOTTA CROSS ALL KENS OF THE ROAD TO GET BACK IN THE QUEUE.
JO, JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IN OUR, UH, WRITEUP OF THAT INITIAL OPENING, OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, AND, AND THIS MAY TIE INTO WHETHER OR NOT ONE OF THESE DRIVEWAYS IS ELIMINATED, BUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE TEAM MEMBERS CONTROLLING AND THERE, THERE, I THINK IT WAS LOCATIONS FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX, UH, WAS TO HAVE TEAM MEMBERS AT THOSE LOCATIONS, THEY WOULD BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEIR HEADPHONE SETS.
SO IF THAT DID HAPPEN, IF WE QUEUED UP PAST HERE AND BACK TO THIS
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POINT, RATHER THAN AFFECT THE STREET, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE YOU TEMPORARILY SEND THEM OVER TO THIS AREA.
UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN EMPLOYEE LOT AFTER THAT INITIAL SEARCH.
BUT WE, THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE KEPT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS THAT EXIST HERE WAS FOR THAT PURPOSE AND THEN IT COULD BE CLOSED OFF.
THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE.
SO PHIL, I DID, I DID READ THAT.
UH, MY, MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE, AND IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S PART OF WHY I WANNA SEE IT VISUALLY.
MAYBE IT'S 'CAUSE I'M A VISUAL PERSON OR A DRAWER.
BECAUSE IF, IF, IF WE SEND, IF WE SEND SOMEBODY OVER HERE, RIGHT? AND I'M, I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING THE TWO DRIVEWAYS FOR THAT REASON, REASON.
'CAUSE IT'S A RE IT'S A GOOD REASON, RIGHT? IF WE SEND SOMEBODY OVER HERE, RIGHT.
THIS, IT'S, IT'S FULL TO HERE.
SO NOW WE SAY, OKAY, YOU GOTTA GO TO HERE, YOU GUYS, YOU GO IN HERE, YOU FORM A QUEUE HERE.
SO NOW SOMEBODY HAS TO SORT OF COORDINATE AND WE CAN SHOW ON A PLAN.
THE GUY HERE SAYS, OKAY, THERE'S ROOM.
SO HE SENDS THIS GUY DOWN AND THIS GUY GOES IN.
RIGHT? BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, SAYING, OH, WELL I'M HERE NOW I'M GONNA GO IN.
SO WE JUST NEED A PLAN TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING MANAGED.
LISTEN, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES AT ONE TIME WORTH 15 OVERLAP? 15.
SO THAT, THAT PARKING LOT IS AN EXCLUSIVE EMPLOYEES.
IT, IT COULD POTENTIALLY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE EMPLOYEE TURNOVER AT THE BUSIEST TIME.
BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE IN WORKING THEIR TOOK US OFF.
THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF SPACES HERE WE'RE DETERMINED TO ALLOW FOR THE SHIFT TURNOVER BECAUSE AS PE IF YOU HAVE 15 OR 18 CARS PARKED THERE WITH EMPLOYEES AND THEN THE NEXT SHIFT IS COMING IN, YOU'VE GOTTA PROVIDE FOR THAT TURNOVER BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE LEFT YET.
BUT DURING THE PEAK TIMES, THE, THE TEAM MEMBERS AREN'T GONNA BE LEAVING HERE.
SO IN USING THAT AS AN OVERFLOW AREA, IF WE NEEDED TO, I THINK WHAT MR. CANNINGS ASKING FOR IS JUST TO SPELL IT OUT AND SHOW IT ON A DRAWING AND HOW IT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TEAM MEMBERS THERE.
UNDERSTAND JOHN, ON, UM, WHAT IS IT, IS THAT ROAD, THE NAME OF THAT ROAD AGAIN? COUNTY? THIS IS COUNTY CENTER.
I SEE SOME VEHICLES PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IS THAT, UH, IT'S NOT HEAVILY PARKED TODAY.
I, I HAD, I HAD A LOOK AT IT AND IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY, BUT THE MOST PART, IT'S NOT HEAVILY PARKED ON THE 15TH.
SOMETIMES OF THE DAY YOU'LL SEE MORE PARKING THAN OTHERS.
BUT HEY GUYS, IT'S NINE O'CLOCK.
ALRIGHT? AND I, WE HAVE CELL PHONE.
FIRST OF ALL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL THE HARD WORK HERE.
IT'S VERY CONSTRUCTIVE, VERY, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
YOU GUYS ARE TRYING, TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK THERE.
WELL, LET ME LAY OUT WHAT I WANT TO DO, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO INSTEAD OF MEETING AT THE NEXT MEETING, 'CAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE NEED THE HOMEWORK, WE NEED TIME TO PROCESS THE HOMEWORK.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HIT THE NEXT WORK SESSION FOR NOVEMBER 1ST TO SKIP ONE MEETING, HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THE 15TH WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, GOING FORWARD ON THE DECEMBER 6TH ON THE VARIANCES.
WELL ON THE VARIANCES TO THE D B.
WHAT WE CAN DO IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TRY TO GET ON THE ZBA A'S CALENDAR FOR DECEMBER.
SO YOU DON'T LOSE THAT WHOLE MONTH.
RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE MEETING IN DECEMBER WOULD BE, ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE AFTER IT WORKING ON OUR ZBA APPLICATION SO THAT IT'S READY TO SUBMIT.
WE CAN ALSO TR WARN THE Z B A AND YOU CAN, A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN GET ON THERE IN ADVANCE.
MY, MY SUSPICIONS IS YOU'LL BE AT THE Z B A FOR TWO OR THREE MEETINGS TOO, I WOULD THINK.
THIS IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT, SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU'RE NOT THERE FOR A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE MEETINGS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I SAID TO WHAT YOU DON'T WANT, THEY ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH.
SO IF YOU CAN GET ON THEIR SCHEDULE FOR DECEMBER, GIVE AN ADVANCE WARNING, THAT'S THE TARGET.
UH, YOU SHOULD TRY TO DO THAT.
THAT SOUNDS WE CAN COORDINATE WITH YOU.
WHAT THINK YOU NEED TO STRESS THAT THAT SCHEDULE IS BASED UPON PROVIDE, THEY PROVIDED ALL THE DATA THAT WE REQUESTED.
WELL, I, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH.
I KNOW THAT ALL OF COURSE PLENTY BOARD TIME WANNA MAKE, WHICH IS WHY I'M GIVING THEM AN EXTRA MONTH RATHER THAN TWO WEEKS.
AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON NOW, I'D LIKE THIS STUFF IN, IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD AND MR. CANNING TIME TO ANALYZE IT BEFORE WE MEET AT THAT WORK SESSION.
SO THAT WORKS SESSION BE, CAN BE PRODUCTIVE.
WHICH IS TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
I MEAN, I KNOW THE DATA EXISTS.
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I, I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WORK.I MEAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT QUEUING.
THE WHOLE THING HAS TO DO WITH QUEUING THEORY.
YOU GOT INSIDE AND OUT AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE PLACES WORK.
SO I'M SURE THERE'S DATA OUT THERE WAS, YOU JUST HAVE TO MINE IT.
IT'D ALSO GIVE SOME TIME IF MR. CANNING SEES SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TWEAKED OR SOMETHING ADDITIONAL PROVIDED AHEAD OF THE MEETING ON THE FIRST, IT BUILDS IN THAT
AND IF WE GET IT IN EARLY, EARLY ENOUGH, IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING, WE CAN FLAG IT.
WE CAN YOU TO, WE CAN FLAG IT TO IT TOO.
BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HAVING THE GOAL OF TRYING TO GET TO THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THE 15TH.
AND OF NOVEMBER, ONE QUESTION, DID THE SECRET CIRCULATION GO OUT OR WERE YOU WAITING FOR THE IT DID.
WE WERE WAITING ON THE REVISED D A F IT CAME IN.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, AND IT'S WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF SOMETIMES AGENCIES SENT COMMENTS ON WHITE PLAINS.
I MEAN, AND WE WOULD BE SET THE BOARD IF THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS TO, UH, DECLARE A LEAD AGENCY AT THE NEXT, ON NOVEMBER 1ST.
AND WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO DO IT UNTIL WE HAVE TO FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO THEN IN CASE ANY, ANYONE, SO DO WE, WE LIKE TO GET THAT OFF OUR TABLE.
ANY COMMENTS COME IN, WE'LL ALERT YOU TO THAT.
D O T DOESN'T REVIEW UNTIL THAT CIRCULATION STARTED.
SO IT'S GOOD THAT WE CAN REPORT TO D O T.
AND A LOT OF AGENCIES INVOLVED IN THIS ONE.
AGAIN, WE, IF YOU GUYS TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN WHITE PLAINS, TELL 'EM WE ABSOLUTELY WELCOME TO, TO JOIN US AT A MEETING.
THE, THE OTHER POINT THAT THEY WILL, WE WILL BE ALERTED WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
COULD YOU ALSO LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD? WHITE PLAINS? WHAT'D LIKE TO KNOW? YEAH, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SUBMITTED YET IN WHITE PLAINS.
WE'VE JUST HAD INITIAL MEETINGS.
BUT I WILL COPY THIS BOARD ON EVERY CORRESPONDENCE TO WHITE PLAINS AND LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MEETING.
MAY WANT TO BE ATTEND THOSE TWO TO SEE WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE.
I'LL BE ALLOWED TO ASK HIM NEXT TIME.
I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE AT THE OCTOBER 18TH MEETING.
AND WHEN YOU SEND ME MY, THE EMAIL ON OCTOBER 17TH TO LET YOU KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE THERE.
I'M NOT GONNA BE READING EMAIL EITHER, SO I'M TELLING YOU NOW.
YEAH, I'M NOT HERE AT THAT MEETING EITHER.
SO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FOR SIX DRAKE.
UM, I'LL WAIT TILL MY MR WE'LL TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK.
HEY, MATT, YOU, CAN YOU HEAR US? HE COULD COME DOWN IF YOU WANTS.
MATT, DO YOU WANT COME DOWN FOR THE, FOR THIS NEXT ONE OR YOU GONNA DO IT? JUST, UH, GRACES FROM ON HIGH, YOUR CHOICE
SO YEAH, LIKE IT'S EASIER IF I JUST STAY UP HERE WITH MY COMPUTER NEXT, BUT I WANT YOU TO, I I WANT YOU TO TALK TO IT.
MY, MY SISTER WAS A PULMONARY EMBOLUS.
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OKAY.UM, NEXT CASE IS A NEW CASE, PB 2306 S.
IS THAT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT? SRA? YES.
IT'S FOR A MINOR WETLAND AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
UM, BUT OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO DECIDE WHETHER WE JUST WANT TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE INSPECTOR.
THE REASON WHY I ACTUALLY HAD THEM COME IN IS BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION.
THEY'RE OFF ATTRIBUTED TO TRIBUTARY OF THE SAWMILL RIVER.
AND WE ALL KNOW HOW WONDERFUL WE HAVE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THE SAWMILL RIVER.
THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I WANTED HIM TO COME IN AND EXPLAIN THE PROJECT.
AND THEN I WANT US TO MAKE A DECISION IF WE TURN IT OVER TO THE, TO THE WETLANDS WATERCOURSE INSPECTOR.
SO WITH THAT, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PRO PROJECT AND YOUR NAME.
I'M PRESENTING THE APPLICATION FOR THE SERRA RESIDENCE.
UM, OUR PROJECT INCLUDES, UH, A DRIVEWAY EXPANSION, UH, ACTUALLY A WIDENING OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
UM, A WALKWAY EXPANSION TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE HOME, A REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FRONT STOOP AND PORCH, AND THEN A NEW REAR YARD DECK AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THE DRIVEWAY IS CURRENTLY 14 FEET WIDE.
WE'RE EXPANDING IT BY APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET, SO IT CAN BE TWO CARS WIDE.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WHEN ONE CAR IS PARKED, THE OTHER HAS TO MOVE FOR THEM BOTH TO GET OUT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO EXPANDING THE WALKWAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, WITH PAVERS AND AGAIN, REPLACING THE STOOPING KIND.
UM, AT THE BACK, THERE'S AN EXISTING COVERED PATIO, UM, EXCUSE ME.
THERE'S AN EXISTING PAVER PATIO BACK THERE NOW, AND WE'RE JUST BUILDING A DECK OVER IT.
SO THERE'S A SMALL DECK THERE NOW, RIGHT? THERE'S A TINY DECK YEAH.
AND WE'RE GONNA JUST REPLACE IT WITH A, A, A MORE SUBSTANTIAL DECK.
IT'S STILL 20, UH, 10 FEET DEEP BY 36 FEET WIDE, BUT IT'S NOT CREATING ANY IMPERVIOUS SURFACES BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A PATIO UNDERNEATH.
I ASK WHAT IS THE FRONT SIDEWALK? NOW YOU SAID YOU'RE PUTTING IN PAVERS? YES.
IS IT PAVERS NOW OR IS IT I BELIEVE SO, YES.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A SMALLER WALKWAY NOW AND WE'RE EXPANDING THE WIDTH OF IT BY THE END, BY THE SAME LENGTH.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE REPLACING SOMETHING MORE PERVIOUS? NO, IMPERVIOUS.
UM, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO CAPTURE THAT RUNOFF THAT WILL BE CREATED.
UM, IT, THE PROJECT DOES RESULT IN APPROXIMATELY 600 SQUARE FEET OF NEW IMPERVIOUS SERVICES.
UM, 150 SQUARE FEET ARE DEDICATED TO THE DRIVEWAY EXPANSION.
UM, ABOUT 500 DEDICATED TO THE WALKWAY.
UM, WE HAVE PROPOSED 2 3 30 XL COOL TECHS, UM, WHICH ARE CAPTURING, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS TWO TREND STRAINS, CAPTURING THE NEW RUNOFF AND DIRECTING THEM TO THE COOL TEXT.
UM, IT IS DESIGNED FOR FULL STORAGE CAPACITY, SO NO PERK RATES ARE CONSIDERED.
UM, IT IS DESIGNED FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS A SIX INCH RAINSTORM.
UM, SO THAT'S, WE ARE PROPOSING THE TWO TEXTS UNDER THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
THAT IS A NEW 25 YEAR STANDARD, OR THE OLD 25 YEAR STANDARD.
UH, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION WE CAN PROVIDE YOU ABOUT THE EXTREME PRECIPITATION EVENTS.
IT WAS RECENTLY RELEASED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, AND I THINK IT'S A HAIR OVER SIX, MIGHT BE CLOSER TO SIX AND A HALF.
IT'S, UM, I THINK, UH, 6.4 INCHES OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
I THINK SO, BECAUSE WE REQUIRE THE NEW STANDARD THAT'S ON.
UM, THE CAPACITY IS THERE FOR IT, UM, FOR THESE TWO COOL TEXTS.
THEY'RE SUBSTANTIAL TO ADDRESS THE, THE RAIN OFF, THE RUNOFF THAT'S BEING CREATED.
UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN CONTACT AND RECEIVED, UM, APPLICATION APPROVALS FOR, FROM THE STORMWATER, UM, FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE RECEIVED SLOPE APPROVAL FROM ENGINEERING AS WELL.
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UM, WE'VE, UH, PETITIONED, UM, C D N C FOR THE WETLAND PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH BRINGS US HERE THIS EVENING BECAUSE THE, THE STREAM, THE TRIBUTARY OF THE SAWMILL RIVER BASICALLY CUTS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.UM, AND BASICALLY EVERY INCH OF THIS PROPERTY'S WITHIN THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER EXCEPT FOR THAT FAR LIKE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
UM, SO THAT BRINGS US HERE THIS EVENING TOO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE C A C WAS POSITIVE, UM, BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THE
WE ATTENDED THAT MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
HOW OLD, HOW OLD IS THE, IS THE HOUSE? IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
IT APPEARS TO BE A RELATIVELY NEWER HOME, A NEWER DEVELOPMENT.
ARE THE LEADER, ARE THE LEADERS EARLY NINETIES, ARE THE LEADERS ATTACHED TO ANY CULT TEXTS NOW OR ARE THEY JUST GOING ON THE STREET? UM, I DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF THAT INFORMATION.
I COULD LOOK INTO IT, BUT, UM, I SUPPOSE IT PROBABLY WAS, IF IT WAS BUILT BEFORE 2000 THEN PROBABLY JUST RUNS OFF.
I, THE REASON I'M ASKING, NOT THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LOTS OF FLOODING PROBLEMS WITH THE SAWMILL RIVER AND ANYTIME WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TRY TO HELP THE PROBLEM IF THEY CAN.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN CALTECH ANYWAY, IF THE WAY DIRECTING SOME OF THAT WATER INTO THOSE CULT TECHS RATHER THAN OUT COULD BE A HELP.
WELL, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE STORM EVENT WE HAD LAST WEEK, I, I REACHED OUT TO MY CLIENT AND LIKE, TELL ME ABOUT THE STREAM IN THE BACK.
HOW DID THAT LOOK? 'CAUSE IT BASICALLY A MONTH AGO WAS DRY THERE, THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING IN IT.
AND NOW IT REALLY WAS NOT, IT DID NOT ELEVATE MUCH AT ALL.
UM, SO IT IS RUNNING WATER, BUT IT'S NOT VERY SUBSTANTIAL IN TERMS OF, UH, THE NEXT DAY.
WE LOOKED AT IT SATURDAY MORNING.
DOES THE WALL IN THE BACK? THEY DO, THEY DO HAVE A WALL.
I, I SAW SOME STANDING WATER BEHIND THE WALL THOUGH.
BUT IT IN GENERAL, LIKE IT'S A VERY LARGE BASIN AREA, WHICH HAS A LITTLE STANDING WATER.
IT'S NOT LIKE A POND, LET'S SAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? WELL, A, A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT IN THE GARAGE, I MEAN, UH, UM, THE INCREASE IN THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE, OF DRIVEWAY DRIVER SPEAKING ON THE MIC PLEASE.
AND THERE IS A, A CALTECH ON THE SIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE OR WHAT, UH, IS THERE ANY TECHNICAL CHALLENGES IF YOU WERE TO PUT THE RUNOFF AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY TO THAT CALTECH? UH, IS THAT, UH, IS THAT, UH, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE TO DO THAT? IT'S A GREAT, YEAH, I THINK EXPANDING ON THAT, DOES THE DRIVEWAY PITCH IN TOWARDS THE PROPERTY OR OUT TOWARDS THE ROADWAY? IT PITCHES DOWN AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY.
SO TOWARDS THE STREET, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL TEXA, WHERE THEY ARE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE DRAIN KIND OF MID DRIVEWAY.
SO IT DOESN'T DRAIN OUT TO THE ROAD DRAIN, SO IT'S OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO ADD BEFORE WE, UH, DECIDE WHETHER TO TURN IT OVER TO OVER? NO, NOT REALLY.
I THINK YOU GUYS, UH, COVERED IT MOSTLY.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THE C A C, UH, WAS POSITIVE IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE PROJECT.
UH, GIVEN THAT THE ADDED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AWAY FROM THE STREAM AND IS PROPOSED TO BE CAPTURED AND PLACED INTO THESE TWO NEW COLD TEXTS UNDER THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, DO WE NEED A, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO TURN IT OVER TO TODAY.
I'D LIKE TO A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS.
A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
SO MOVE SECOND MICHAEL SECONDS.
UM, NOW I'D LIKE A MOTION TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE WETLANDS WAR COURSE.
SO THE BOARD HAS OFFICIALLY WAIVED ANY, UM, REQUIREMENT TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE DECISION'S GONNA BE TURNED OVER TO MR. BRITTON.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HANGING OUT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THEM ON ZOOM.
UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CON CONFERENCE.
AND WE'VE SEEN THIS SITE BEFORE.
WE'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
IT'S, UH, PB 2319 G H P TAXTER, L L C 55 TO, UH, 5 55 TO 5 65 TAXTER ROAD, PPL, ELFORD FOR A SHARED PARKING AND REDUCTION.
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IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD THESE TWO BUILDINGS BEFORE WHERE THEY WERE JUST CHANGING THE USE MM-HMM.SO WE GAVE THEM A PARKING WAIVER.
THIS IS A SIMILAR APPLICATION TO THAT.
AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, UH, GO THROUGH AND DESCRIBE, DESCRIBE THIS.
JOE ELLI FROM K S C J CONSULTING.
UH, FORMERLY COVERED SESSIONS IS, UH, WHICH WE MADE THE APPLICATION UNDER.
UM, AND AS YOU, AS YOU JUST EXPLAINED, WE ARE BEFORE YOU IN 2020 RECEIVED APPROVALS FOR SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
AND AT THE TIME, THE OWNER WAS, UM, HAD CONVERTED THE FIRST, SECOND, UM, FLOORS, FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS, AND THIRD OF 5 55 FROM OFFICE TO MEDICAL REQUIRED ADDITIONAL PARKING.
AND, UH, I HAVE THE PLAN THAT THIS BOARD SAW AND ULTIMATELY APPROVED.
I COULD JUST SHARE THAT QUICK.
WELL ACTUALLY, WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN, EXISTING CONDITIONS.
5 55 IS THE PROPERTY TO YOUR LEFT, UH, OR THE WEST 5 65, UH, TO THE EAST.
AND AT THE TIME, WE WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING, IF YOU RECALL, A, UH, PARKING LOT TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER TWO EXISTING STORMWATER RETENTION BASINS TO FACILITATE THE ADDED PARKING NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING CODE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE, THE BOARD DELIBERATED AND AGREED THAT A SHARED PARKING, UH, AGREEMENT WOULD WORK WELL FOR THIS PROPERTY 'CAUSE IT WAS SO OVER PARKED AT THE TIME.
UH, AND HERE WE ARE THREE YEARS LATER AND, UM, WE'RE FINDING THE CASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL SIGNIFICANTLY OVER PARKED.
UH, AND THE TENANT IN 5 55 IS, UH, MONTEFIORE OF MEDICAL AND THEY ARE, UH, ALWAYS LOOKING TO EXPAND.
THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH SPACE THEY WANT OR BY WHEN.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THEY CURRENTLY, UH, OCCUPY THE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS.
AND, UM, I HAD PROVIDED SOME PARKING ANALYSES THAT WE DID FOR THEM.
SO WE PROVIDED THESE SPREADSHEETS WITHOUT SUBMISSION AND, UM, JUST RAN THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF VARIED, UH, OCCUPANCY BY THE MEDICAL SPACE IN LIEU OF OFFICE.
SO THIS IS THEIR CURRENT SCENARIO.
THE FIRST THREE FLOORS, FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD WITH MEDICAL USE.
DID YOU BLOW THAT UP? THAT WE CAN SEE PART OF IT FLOOR.
SO FIRST, SECOND, THIRD FLOORS HAVE MEDICAL SPACE AND FLOORS 4, 5, 6 ARE CURRENTLY ENTIRELY OFFICE.
UH, WE RAN THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS AND THEY, UM, THEY'RE PRESENTED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH MONTEFIORE WOULD ANTICIPATE GROWING THEIR MEDICAL SPACE.
SO RATHER, YOU KNOW, THEY SKIPPED THE FOURTH FLOOR THAT WOULD REMAIN AS OFFICE.
WE LOOKED AT CONVERTING A PORTION OF THE FIFTH FROM OFFICE TO MEDICAL, THEN WE LOOKED AT CONVERTING THE ENTIRE FIFTH FLOOR, THEN THE ENTIRE FOURTH AND FIFTH FLOOR, AND THEN FINALLY ALL 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
SO THAT ENTIRE BUILDING, ALL SIX FLOORS WOULD BE CONVERTED FROM OFFICE TO MEDICAL.
THAT ACTUAL, THAT SCENARIO ITSELF IS FAIRLY, IS VERY UNLIKELY BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY WERE, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING WERE TO BE CONVERTED TO MEDICAL, THEY'RE STILL, THEY STILL NEED AN, AN OFFICE COMPONENT TO, TO RUN THE SPACE.
SO THIS IS A, AN EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO ALL THIS.
UM, IN SHORT, I, I SUMMARIZED ALL THE, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THAT TABLE IN OUR, IN OUR COVER LETTER.
UM, SO THIS FIRST ROW HERE THAT YOU SEE IS WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AS.
SO 5 55 WITH MEDICAL ON THE FIRST THREE FLOORS AND HAD PARKED THE, UH, HAVE WE CONSTRUCTED THE 109 PARKING SPACES IN THAT PLAN THAT I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU, WE WOULD'VE BEEN OVER PARKED STILL BY 62 SPACES, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CONVERT THE FIFTH FLOOR, STILL BE OVER PARKED, UH, PARTIAL, AND THEN FULLY CONVERT THE FIFTH FLOOR AND STILL BE OVER PARKED.
THEY WOULD ONLY START TO EITHER NEED VARIANCES OR RETURN TO A SHARED AGREEMENT HAD THEY CHOSE TO, UH, CONSTRUCT OR CONVERT OFFICE TO MEDICAL ENTIRELY ON THE FOURTH AND FIFTH, AND THEN ADDING THE SIXTH.
UM, CONVERSELY, IF WE DON'T BUILD THE PARKING LOTS, UH, AND LEAVE THE SITE AS IS THE, THE SHORTAGE OF PARKING CURRENTLY IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE SHARED AGREEMENT IN 2020.
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AND OBVIOUSLY THAT, UH, THAT UNDER PARKING INCREASES AS WE IMPROVE OR CONVERT ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE TO MEDICAL.UM, WHAT WE DID RECENTLY WAS FLY A DRONE OVER THE SITE AT VARIOUS TIMES OF THE DAY AND WEEK JUST TO GET A SENSE OF THE USE OF THE LOT.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, UN UNDERSTAND THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND PHYSICALLY COUNT SPACES, BUT I WANTED TO JUST PRESENT TO THE BOARD THE GENERAL AREAS OF USE FOR PARKING.
UH, AND THIS FIRST PLANT WE SEE BEFORE YOU, UH, THIS WAS DONE ON FRIDAY THE 15TH AT 10:00 AM AND UH, YOU COULD SEE HERE THE AREAS IN GREEN ARE THE AREAS THAT WERE PREDOMINANTLY USED FOR PARKING.
AND IF I ZOOM IN ON THE, ON THE PHOTOS HERE, THIS IS THE, UH, WESTERNMOST ENTRANCE ON TEXTER BUILDING.
AND YOU COULD SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING IS IN THE FRONT ALONG THE TAXI ROAD PARKING, UH, TAXI ROAD, UH, PARKING AREA.
THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE OF A SIMILAR SPACE.
AND AS YOU GO AROUND THE SITE, UH, THIS IS THE PARKING STRETCH ALONG THE TAXI ROAD FRONTAGE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE TO THE RIGHT.
UM, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT THAT'S MAYBE 40%, I, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S THAT HIGH, UH, OCCUPIED.
UH, AND THEN ALONG THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE, THE PROPERTY, IT'S COMPLETELY VACANT.
THERE WASN'T A SINGLE CAR THERE THAT NO, UM, THAT MAY BE WHY.
IS THERE AN ENTRANCE AND THEN, I'M SORRY JOE, IF I MAY? YEP, SURE.
IS THERE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING FROM OFF THAT REAR PARKING LOT? THERE IS.
THERE'S A, UH, I THINK IT SHOWS BETTER ON SOME OF THE OTHER PHOTOS, BUT IF YOU SEE THAT THIS DRY VIAL THAT COMES AROUND THE BACK, UH, ACTUALLY I CAN SHOW YOU BETTER ON THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S THE ENTRY PLAZA HERE TO THE FRONT, RIGHT? THERE IS A, I BELIEVE A STAIRWELL.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK HERE TO I BELIEVE ENTRY DOORS HERE.
UH, AND THERE MAY EVEN BE, ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS IS LOADING.
AND THEN THIS IS ACCESS TO THE GARAGE DOWN BELOW.
AND THEN 5 65 IS SET UP IN A SIMILAR FASHION WHERE THE, UH, THE MAIN ENTRY IS THIS LOCATION HERE, THERE IS AN ENTRY OR A SIDEWALK LADDER TO THE SIDE PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE SPACES TO THE EAST.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE IS AN, AN ADDITIONAL ENTRY, UH, ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR PARKING IN THIS AREA.
UM, BUT IT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING IS IN FRONT OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THE, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACES ARE LOCATED.
UH, AND YOU'LL SEE LATER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ACCESSIBLE PARKING HERE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN PROXIMITY TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, SIMILAR, SIMILAR SHOTS TAKEN ON, UH, THAT SAME DAY.
WE RETURNED TO THE SITE AT THREE O'CLOCK AND YOU COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFTING OF THE, THE PARKING, UH, STARTED TO LESS CONCENTRATE IN THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE SIDE.
AND AGAIN, IF I WERE TO ZOOM INTO THE PHOTOS, UH, THIS IS THE PARKING AREA, UH, TO THE FAR EAST OF THE SITE, NEXT TO 5 65.
UH, THIS IS THAT SAME PARKING AREA, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW.
UH, THIS SHOP HERE AGAIN IS ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE BACK OF THE, THE PROPERTY.
WHY DO YOU THINK THE PARKING, THE PARKING CONFIGURATION WOULD CHANGE FROM MORNING TO THE AFTERNOON? DO YOU HAVE A REASON FOR THAT? UH, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST HABIT, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE PARK WHERE THEY WANT TO PARK MAYBE, AND BE THESE, THESE PARKING SPACES ARE THE OFFICE BUILDING.
SO THEY PARK THEIR CARS TYPICALLY THERE FOR THE DAY.
SO MAYBE THEY JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY WANT TO BE AWAY FROM EVERYBODY AND NOT HAVE A DINGING ON THE SIDE OF THEIR CAR WHEN THEY COME OUT.
CAN, CAN I ASK, THIS IS VERY GOOD.
CAN I ASK A BASIC QUESTION HERE? I, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, SHARED, SHARED PARKING APPROVAL, BUT, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SHARED PARKING YOU NEED BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE THE MEDICAL PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE UP.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY ONE THING, JUST, JUST, I WOULD JUST SAY ONE THING.
I KNOW ONE COMMENT I WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SHARED PAR, I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW, IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
IT AND, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED BETTER COUNTS.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE LAID OUT THIS TIME, THAT TIME.
IT'S A PRELIMINARY CONFERENCE.
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I GOT THAT.BUT DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A FORMAL APPLICATION, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET MORE PRECISE DATA THAT WE CAN RELY ON.
AND, AND NOW LET ME GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US NOW? SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING, UH, AND, AND I AGREE COMPLETELY AND, AND WE FULLY ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, YOU WANTING THAT DATA.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS WAS JUST PRE-SUBMISSION.
WE WANTED TO GET SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT THE, THE HOPE FOR THE, THE LANDLORD IS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIMPLY APPLY FOR WHATEVER BUILDING PERMITS MAY BE NEEDED TO CONVERT THE OFFICE TO MEDICAL SPACE AND NOT HAVE TO RETURN TO THIS BOARD.
UH, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE CONVERT ADDITIONAL MEDICAL SPACE, THERE'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL SHORTFALL OF PARKING AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
SO THE, THE HOPE IS THAT THERE'S MAYBE A MEANS TO, UH, HAVE SOME KIND OF CONTROL SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT APPROVAL.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL WAS THAT THE TOWN, UH, AFTER THREE YEARS, UH, WAS TO, UH, HAD THE, UH, ABILITY IF DEEMED NECESSARY TO REQUEST A, A STUDY OF EVALUATION OF THE SITE TO SEE THAT THE SHARED PARKING WAS FACT OPERATING AS INTENDED WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
WE WOULD HOPE THERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR MECHANISM PUT IN PLACE AND ALLOW THE, THE CONVERSION OF MEDICAL OFFICE TO MEDICAL OVER TIME.
UH, THE, THESE SPACES AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE.
IT, IT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A PROGRESSION OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, I CAN'T ASSUME, BUT THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WOULD OVERSEE AND KIND OF WATCHDOG AND, AND THERE'D BE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WHERE IF THE TOWN SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED, WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND REVISIT THIS.
AND YOU MAY IN FACT HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THOSE PARKING LOTS OR YOU CAN'T CONVERT ANY MORE OFFICE TO MEDICAL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, TO BRING THE OWNER BACK IN AND, AND EVALUATE THAT.
UH, BUT WE, WE WERE TRYING TO HOPE TO AVOID HAVING TO DO THIS SIMILAR TYPE OF APPROVAL EVERY TIME WE WANTED TO CONVERT A PORTION OF THAT BUILDING.
GIVE US A SECOND TO, TO SUSS THIS OUT HERE.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA INDICATE IF I MAY, THAT I THINK THE REQUEST COMING FROM JOE ON BEHALF OF THE CLIENT IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHEN CROSSROAD SHOPPING CENTER CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD ABOUT 5, 6, 7 YEARS AGO AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO ALLOCATE CERTAIN SPACES WITHIN THE CENTER FOR FUTURE RESTAURANT.
AND THEY EVALUATED THE PARKING FIELDS TO IDENTIFY IF THERE WAS A CAPACITY TO FOR THE CONVERSION.
AND THEN OVER TIME THEY STARTED TO CONVERT THOSE SPACES, BUT THEY HAD A MAX, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT WAS A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER.
IT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S I THINK SOMETHING WHERE THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WOULD CONSIDER AND COULD HAVE, LIKE MR. MELLI INDICATED SAFEGUARD PUT IN PLACE IF THERE WERE ANY APPROVAL TO EVALUATE IT OVER TIME.
AND I, I WAS THINKING SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RATHER THAN BASING IT UPON TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN, IN, IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED IT UPON SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THAT IF YOU RENT OUT ONE FLOOR, THEN THIS WILL BE THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, UH, PARKING ARRANGEMENT.
IF YOU RENT OUT TWO, THIS WILL BE THE PROPOSED PARKING ARRANGEMENT.
AND THEN WE COULD MAKE THAT DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO MORE SHARED PARKING OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY BUILD THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE.
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GO ON MY GUT FEELING THAT WE GOT PLENTY OF PARKING SPACE.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE DO ANALYSIS FOR AT CERTAIN THRESHOLDS OR REACH OH OF YES.
CERTAIN THRESHOLD OF, OF THE LEASE THAT, UH, IF WE RENTED OUT ANOTHER HALF FLOOR THAT'S A, OR ANOTHER FLOOR PROVIDE A PARKING ANALYSIS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AERIALS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THAT STAFF CAN REVIEW IT, REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD CAN DECIDE, OKAY, LOOKS GREAT OR YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK IN.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT TRIGGER LOOK LIKE? IS ONUS ON THE, THE APPLICANT TO PER YES.
SO EVERY TIME THEY RENT X AMOUNT OF SPACE, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME IN BACK.
AND IS IT BASED ON THE CONVERSION OF THE OFFICE SPACE TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE? MEDICAL OFFICE? I'M TRYING TO THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT TRIGGERS THAT, WHAT SEE THE ACCOUNTABILITY FACTOR.
SO, WELL IT COULD BE A CONDITIONED AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THEY FILE FOR THE CHANGE OF USE AND OCCUPANCY PERMIT THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THAT WOULD TRIGGER, NOW I THINK THE TABLE'S PROVIDED, AT LEAST INITIALLY BY MR. ELLIS SHOW, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OF THE BREAKDOWN, IF THEY WERE CONVERT HERE, THEY'D STILL FALL UNDER THE EXISTING, BUT ONCE THEY ECLIPSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT,
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IT THEN WOULD TRIGGER THIS NEW NEED.SO WE CAN KIND OF HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, BUT DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE, BUT WE COULD PRE-APPROVE CERTAIN THRESHOLDS AND THEN THEY GET CORRECT BEYOND THAT, THEN THEY, THEN THEY COME BACK.
AND IN THE MEANTIME THEY COULD JUST, UH, CHECK IN WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT AND KIND OF IN TERMS OF COMING BACK RIGHT.
THEY COULD SUBMIT INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTATION AND DATA TO TOWN STAFF, WHICH WE CAN RELAY TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD MAY SAY, HEY, HAVE THEM COME IN OR MIGHT SAY, WE JUST APPROVE IT.
YOU MIGHT SIT HERE AT A WORK SESSION AND SAY, THANKS FOR REPORTING IN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PROCEED.
WE'RE EVEN, EVEN TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE THOUGH, IT'S MICHAEL MADE A POINT AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE.
THE FIRST THING WE NEED FOR SURE IS A PARKING STUDY.
UM, WE NEED TO KNOW, KNOW WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS FULL.
MAYBE IT'S PROBABLY JUST A WEEKDAY PARKING STUDY.
I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CAN NEED MORE THAN THAT.
AND I, IT WOULD BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, I DON'T THINK THE WEEK.
SECOND, I WANT TO CONFIRM ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT, UH, FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BUILDING TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE SPACE, SPACE IN THE BACK ARE TRULY USABLE FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH MIDWAY, AND THE REASON WHY WE DID SEPARATE THEM THE WAY WE DID WAS BECAUSE THE CERTAIN ONES WERE JUST NOT ACCESSIBLE TO AND NOT REALLY USABLE FOR, UM, FOR THE, THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE THERE.
THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT AREAS AND THE, THE, THE PARKING WAS CONCENTRATED.
AND WHEN I SEE SOMETHING STRANGE LIKE THAT
FOR INSTANCE, I THINK THERE'S A, A LARGE PHYSICAL THERAPY PRACTICE THERE.
IS IT BUSIER IN THE AFTERNOON? ANYTHING I, THE MORNING I DON'T THE MIC CLOSER, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW.
BUT I MEAN, DIRECTIONALLY, UM, THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, MONTE IS GROWING IT'S PRESENCE IN WESTCHESTER.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY FILLING UP OFFICE SPACE IS SOMETHING WE, UH, WANT TO DO IN GREENBURG AND I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO COVER STORM RETENTION BASEMENTS NO BASIS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO.
SO TO THE POINT WE CAN DO THIS WHERE HAD PARKING, WE CAN'T JUST GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ABOUT WHAT THE TRIGGER POINTS ARE TO, TO, THAT MAY REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL, SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL MITIGATION.
I MEAN, THE NEXT STEP I ASSUME IS TO FILE A FORMAL APPLICATION.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION? NO, I THINK I HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE AND, AND MAYBE AARON, WE COULD JUST DISCUSS THIS OFFLINE.
UM, THE PARAMETERS FOR THE PARKING STUDY AND THE COUNT, YOU KNOW, IS IT JUST A EIGHT, YOU KNOW, A MORNING, AFTERNOON, FIVE DAYS, PICK A RANDOM WEEK.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK IS THE NON-HOLIDAY WEEK, NOT TOO CLOSE TO THE HOLIDAYS.
AND YOU WANNA, YOU WANT TO CAPTURE THE PEAK HOURS.
YOU SAID WE DON'T NEED WEEKENDS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE SATURDAY IS THE PEAK DAY.
IF, IF NOBODY GOES THERE SATURDAY, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT SATURDAY.
IT'S NOT SATURDAY, BUT WE NEED THE PEAK, PEAK HOURS DURING THE PEAK DAYS.
WE DID ACTUALLY VISIT THE SITE ON A SATURDAY FOR A DRONE SHOT AND THE ONLY VEHICLE IN THE PARKING LOT WAS HOURS WITH THE DRONE IN THE BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF MONTY'S EVEN OPEN ON SATURDAYS.
I, THEY'RE OPEN EVENINGS TILL 10 I THINK, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THERE WAS A BIG ARGUMENT OR NINE OVER THE SIGN.
SO, UH, THEY'RE OPEN TILL NINE.
MAY THEY MAYBE NOT OPEN EVEN AS LATE AS THE SIGN WAS ON IT.
SO MAYBE EVEN EIGHT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN, NO, THIS WAS THIS LOCATION YEAH.
SO WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COORDINATE WITH YOU ON THAT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, AND THAT'S FINE.
WE JUST, WE APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TO BEGIN WITH.
WE'LL GET YOU THE DATA WE NEED AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING FOR TONIGHT.