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OKAY.UM, WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION.
IT'S, UH, ABOUT FIVE 15 AND, UH, TODAY'S OCTOBER 24TH.
AND, UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, DISCUSSION WITH, UM, UH, MARK ABOUT FRANKLIN, UH, TOWERS.
AS STATED, MARK WEINGARTEN PARTNER, DELBELLO DANELLA, WEINGARTEN WISE, AND WHITAKER.
I'M JOINED TONIGHT WITH BY, UH, DEBORAH POST FROM, UH, WWPP.
USED TO BE KNOWN AS WILDER BALTER TO SOME OF YOU DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN A MOMENT, UH, YOU, YOU'LL ALSO, UH, WILL GONZALEZ, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT, THE TARRYTOWN MUNICIPAL HOUSING AUTHORITY.
SO I'M GONNA START OFF BY FIRST SAYING, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE SHIFT? WHY DON'T WE SHIFT? WE CAN SHIFT.
WELL, IF, IF HE SAYS YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK.
WELL, NOT, NOT UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
SO, WE'LL, I'M CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE THE MONEY OFF THE TABLE.
I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR.
ANYWAY, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO, SO, UH, FIRST I WANNA START OFF THANKING YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING OUR SCHEDULE AND EXPLAINING WHY WE WERE HERE AND WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A FIRE DRILL, WHICH OFTENTIMES HAPPENS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
THIS PROJECT, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR MONTHS, WAS CONSIDERED AT FIRST TO BE A 4% TAX CREDIT DEAL.
THOSE DEALS, WHICH ARE NON-COMPETITIVE, CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR WITH THE STATE.
IN SEPTEMBER, THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER, ONCE A YEAR, THE STATE PUTS OUT AN RFP FOR 9%, UH, PROJECTS, UH, WHICH ARE BETTER PROJECTS.
AND THEY ARE PROJECTS WHICH ARE COMPETITIVE.
AND THEY CAME OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER AND WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS A NO NOVEMBER SEVEN DEADLINE OF APPLICATION IN WHICH TO DO IT.
WE THEN, HAVING LOOKED AT IT, OUR CLIENT HAVING LOOKED AT IT AND TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE STATE, WERE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY AS A 9% DEAL.
THAT'S WHY THIS ALL TOOK PLACE IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
THAT'S WHY WE CONTACTED YOUR ASSESSOR AND STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULE, WHICH IS ALSO DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOVEMBER 7TH, AND UNFORTUNATELY YOUR MEETING IS NOVEMBER 8TH.
SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT FOR US AND JUST UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE.
WE DIDN'T MAKE THE SCHEDULE, BUT THE STATE DOES.
SO, BUT THIS WOULD'VE TO BE ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA.
YOU WOULD'VE HAD THE GOT IT, GOTTEN IT IN LAST WEDNESDAY.
WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ON THURSDAY.
SO IS, SO DID THIS JUST BE GET A, GET A LIFE ON THURSDAY? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH.
WE WERE TALKING TO YOUR ASSESSOR LAST WEEK FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WE HAD ALL THE NUMBERS IN PLACE TO DISCUSS PILOT, AND WE HAD ALL THE NUMBERS IN PLACE TO DISCUSS WHAT WE WERE DOING.
WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE DOING THIS UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AS A, AS A 9% DEAL.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
YEAH, THAT'S THE COMPLICATION.
BUT JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND IT, I CAN'T WALK INTO YOU UNPREPARED.
I HAVE TO PUT A PROJECT PUT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TO PUT PLANS TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TO PUT ALL OF THAT STUFF TOGETHER.
AND WE COULD ALWAYS SCHEDULE A, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR TUESDAY.
YOU HEAR ABOUT THE PROJECT AND TELL US IF YOU THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE, BUT I, I'VE JUST WANTED TO START OFF BY LETTING YOU KNOW IT WASN'T SELF-CREATED.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT ALL DAY.
I HAVE TO LEAVE HERE TO BE AT A SITE PLAN MEETING IN BUCHANAN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
CARRYING THE IDEA AT SEVEN CLEARS MIKE EDIE'S EMAIL FROM LAST THURSDAY.
HAD TWO DIFFERENT STATEMENTS IN IT.
ONE WAS THAT YOU NEEDED SOMETHING FROM US, RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING A PILOT.
ANOTHER PART OF IT SAYS, WE ARE, UH, BASICALLY ASSURING WE WILL HAVE A PILOT.
AND THE, WHICH ONE IS IT? THE APPLICATION POP PROJECT REQUIRES US TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO YES, YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.
YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ENVI, A SEEKER AND YOU, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING, ET CETERA, COULD BE IN A POSITION TO SAY WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE.
WE PROVIDED HER WITH A LETTER, WHICH WE HAD USED ON ONE OTHER PROJECT BEFORE WITH THE SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED TO SEND A LETTER THAT SAYS, WE'RE ENTHUSIASTICALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
WE WILL CONSIDER A PILOT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
IT DOESN'T SAY WE VOTED ON IT YET.
WE GOT BACK FROM HER A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU WERE VOTING ON ALL THESE THINGS AND MOVING THEM FORWARD.
WE ASKED FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND WE GAVE HER THE LANGUAGE FOR IT.
AND WE CAN GO IN EITHER DIRECTION.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND, AND WE, WE BASICALLY STOPPED LAST
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MINUTE, THROW SOMETHING ON, BIND THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, WITH 24 HOURS NOTICE THAT DIDN'T COME FROM US.WE SENT A LETTER, WE SENT THE FORM LETTER AND WHAT CAME BACK TO US, I REVIEWED THE LETTER.
AND, AND WHAT CAME BACK TO US WAS NO, NO, NO, NO.
WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO, NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE IT AMORPHOUS.
WE DIDN'T DRAFT THE RESOLUTION THAT CAME FROM THE TOWN.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THERE'S, IF IT DOESN'T BIND US TO DOING A PILOT AND IT'S THAT WE SUPPORT THE IDEA OR WHATEVER IT IS OF A PILOT, IT, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO BIND OURSELVES TO A PILOT, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PILOT'S GONNA SAY, BUT WE DO KNOW.
'CAUSE WE HAVE, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK TO US WITH THE RESOLUTION, WE NOW HAVE NEGOTIATED A PILOT SCHEDULE WITH YOUR ASSESSOR.
SHE GAVE US THE TERMS. IT WAS A NEGOTIATION SINCE THURSDAY.
EDIE TOLD US WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE AND WE SAID YES.
YES, SINCE THURSDAY IT HAPPENED.
FRIDAY IS WHEN IT HAPPENED ON FRIDAY.
SHE SAID, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE.
CAN WE GET, IS ED HERE NOW? COULD WE, WE CALL HER AND ASK HER IF SHE COULD COME OR WE COULD CALL HER AND CALL.
BASICALLY IT'S A FORMULA OF 12% OF THE SHELTER, RENTS, WHATEVER.
AND SHE TOLD US AND WE JUST SAID, THAT'S FAIR.
THE REASON IF WE GO, LET US GO THROUGH IT, WE'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR GUYS GOING ALONG WITH THIS.
IF YOU LIKE THE PROJECT IS, YOU'VE DONE THIS IN OTHER PROJECTS JUST RECENTLY.
YOU'VE DONE IT WITH THEM AND YOU'VE DONE IT ON, YOU'VE GOT A SCATTERED SIDE THOUSAND.
IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S CONSISTENT.
UM, AND I SAW THAT IN MEETING'S LETTER AS WELL IN THAT YES, WE HAVE DONE PILOTS, BUT WE WANT, I DON'T RECALL US EVER AGREEING TO A PILOT WITHOUT TERMS. WE SENT HER, THE FORM OF THE LETTER THAT WE SENT WAS FACEBOOK.
DID YOU SEND IT TO US? EDIE'S? NOT IN TOWN HALL ROAD.
WHY DON'T WE JUST HEAR ED? RIGHT.
I HAVEN'T EVEN TOLD YOU ABOUT THE PROJECT YET.
I, I'M, WE'RE ALL IN SUPPORT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW.
WELL WE HAD THIS PROJECT BEFORE AND THIS PROJECT BEFORE WHEN IT CAME BEFORE US AND IT HAD PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR THE VILLAGE.
IS THIS THE CORRECT, SAME PROJECT? NO, NO, NO, NO.
RE THAT ONE'S ALMOST BUILT RENOVATION.
THAT WAS THE ONE THAT'S ALMOST BUILT.
LIKE I SAID, ONE IT CAME BEFORE US BEFORE ALSO HAD THIS IN THAT LAST MINUTE.
FIRE, FIRE SALE KIND OF AN ISSUE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A RESOLUTION YET.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DOCUMENTATION YET.
YOU MAY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T ASK YOU TO VOTE ON IT TODAY.
WE WE'RE, WE YOU WANNA VOTE ON IT TOMORROW? WHAT'S THAT? WELL, WE COULD DO A SPECIAL MEETING NEXT TUESDAY, RIGHT? WE WOULD, OR, OR BEFORE THE 7TH OF NOVEMBER.
WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED WITH THE LETTER BEING SIGNED SESSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
BECAUSE YOU HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WAS THAT WE PUT IN THE APPLICATION WITH THE DRAFT LETTER, UH, THAT'S UNSIGNED.
AND WE HAD THE SUPERVISOR, IF IT WAS VOTED ON THE NEXT DAY, SEND IT DIRECTLY.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SEND ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION AND HOPE THEY DON'T REJECT US.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE.
THAT'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU SAID.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO, TO LAST TIME.
IF THE VOTES ON TUESDAY, WE'RE STILL GOOD.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT, IF WE HAVE, IT'S, WE'RE NOT SURE WE'RE HAVING A WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY.
WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE A SESSION NEXT TUESDAY? OH, THE VOTE IS TOMORROW.
WHY WOULDN'T HAVE SOME OF US HAVE FAMILY OBLIGATIONS HALLOWEEN.
YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY TODAY.
WELL, IT COULD BE AT ANY TIME.
IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE ANY TIME, DAY OR EVENING.
SO IF, WELL, IF YOU HAD THE LETTER PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 7TH, AND I SEE IN PART OF THE DRAFT IT SAYS GREENBURG TOWN BOARD WILL CONSIDER A PILOT AGREEMENT ON IF IT SAID NOVEMBER 8TH MM-HMM
OH, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK CONSIDER IS PROBABLY ENOUGH.
I THINK DIDN'T, THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU DO THINGS AT THE LAST POINT, IT SAYS THIS.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YEAH.
I, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT I'VE TOLD YOU THREE TIMES THAT WE DID NOT CREATE THE TIME SCHEDULE.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
SO THE ALTERNATIVE TO SAY PLEASE LEAVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO $25 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS 81 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF FAMILIES LIVING IN A 60 YEAR OLD BUILDING THAT HAVE HEAT.
THAT DOESN'T WORK, THAT DON'T HAVE ANY AIR CONDITIONING EXCEPT THE UNITS THAT ARE FALLING APART.
THE $25 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING INTO THIS BUILDING.
WE CAN EITHER WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN OR YOU CAN JUST TELL US, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE JUST BLOWN THIS.
BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS WHEN DID YOU KNOW, WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT AND WHY IS IT THAT SYSTEM? I TOLD YOU WHEN I KNEW IT, OUR CLIENT, THEY CAME OUT, IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.
I DON'T HAVE THE DATE EXACTLY SEPTEMBER.
THE RFP WENT OUT FROM THE STATE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX WEEKS OF A 25, ACTUALLY $60 MILLION PROJECT.
IT'S $25 MILLION OF RENOVATIONS AND THE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION THAT HAS TO GO TOGETHER WITH RESPECT TO PUTTING A PROJECT LIKE THAT.
AND THE VILLAGE OF TAR COUNCIL SUPPORT VILLAGE, THE MUNICIPAL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUPPORT
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OF IT, THE VILLAGE OF SUPPORT OF IT.CERTAINLY THE 80 FAMILIES ARE SUPPORT OF IT.
AND BY THE WAY, IT'S PART OF 150 UNIT PROJECT, IF YOU'D LET ME EXPLAIN IT.
'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE 81 UNITS THAT ARE GONNA GET RENOVATED 18 AT A TIME.
EVERY ONE OF THE TENANTS ARE GOING TO BE KEPT.
IT'S, WE'RE GONNA WORK TO IT TO KEEP THEM ON THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT BEHIND IT CALLED TARRYTOWN COURTS.
AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE 18 AT A TIME AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE 'EM AROUND THE PROPERTY, BRING THEM BACK IN WHEN THEIR PLACES ARE DONE.
BY THE WAY, THE BUILDING'S GETTING A FULLY NEW FACADE.
IT'S GETTING ALL IT'S GONNA HAVE, IT'S GONNA HAVE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY ASPECTS TO IT.
WE'RE CONVERTING THE FUEL, UH, THE FUEL BURNER TO, UH, FOR HEAT PUMPS FOR THE DOMESTIC HOT WATER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING.
ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOING IN FOR IT TO BE SUSTAINABLE FOR ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FAMILY, ET CETERA.
AND THEN WHEN WE'RE FINISHED AND THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE IS TO COME BACK FOR THE BALANCE OF IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA WIND UP DOING A PROJECT FOR 151 FAMILIES IN TARRYTOWN WHO ARE LIVING IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS.
AND THESE ARE FOR PEOPLE OF LOW INCOME THAT ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
SO WE'D LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU ON THIS, UH, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY FAMILIES? HOW MANY, YOU SAID 81 AND IS 80? IT IS A TOTAL OF 1 51.
IS IT THERE? RIGHT NOW'S 1 51 UNITS THAT'S OWNED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS FRANKLIN TOWERS IS 81.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK.
AND THAT, THAT ACTUALLY THAT, UH, RENDERING OVER THERE GOT APPROVED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH A REPLACEMENT IN KIND.
BUT WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF ACCESSIBILITY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING WAS BUILT 60 YEARS AGO.
SO IT DOESN'T MEET TODAY'S STANDARDS.
SO WE'RE UPGRADING INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY, UM, TO MAKE EVERYTHING HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN WITHIN.
AND THERE'S FOUR, IN FACT, THERE'S EVEN FOUR UNITS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP TO AADA A STANDARDS FOR MOBILITY ACCESSIBLE PEOPLE THAT NEED THOSE FIVE ACTUALLY.
AND WHERE IS THE BALANCE OF THE APARTMENT? SO YOU HAVE THE ONE, YOU HAVE THE 81 AND THEN YOU SAID THERE'S ONE 50.
SO WHERE IS THE, SO THIS, THERE'S 70 ON THE COURT.
SO THERE'S FRANKLIN TOWERS AND THERE'S FRANKLIN COURTS.
AND FRANKLIN TOWERS HAS 81 UNITS AND FRANKLIN QUARTZ HAS 70.
FRANKLIN TOWER IS THE BIG TOWER AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM TOWN HALL.
AND THEN BEHIND IT ARE THOSE LOWER OR LOW RISES? THOSE, SO THOSE, AND THIS IS, THIS IS FRANKLIN TOWER.
THIS IS JUST FOR THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, UH, OUR PLAN IS TO, WE'RE ULTIMATELY GONNA BE DEMOLISHING EVERYTHING ON THE COURTS AND BUILDING ALL NEW UNITS THERE.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE RESIDENTS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UM, WE, AND, AND THE BOARD, UH, HAVING CONVERSATIONS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HUD THAT THE RESIDENTS BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
SO WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY AND WE'VE BEEN, UH, HAVING MEETINGS WITH THE, UM, UH, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE PLAN.
AND THAT THEY EXPRESS TO US WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
UM, THERE IN, IN FRANKLIN TOWERS, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO COMMON SPACE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE CARVING OUT, UM, UH, NOT ONLY ARE WE MAKING THE BUILDING HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE INSIDE, 'CAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, RIGHT NOW, YOU CANNOT, THERE'S NO HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO THE MANAGEMENT OFFICE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY RE UH, CONFIGURING THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO WE HAVE ED RIGHT ON THE LINE.
CAN YOU CONTINUE? 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH
BA BASICALLY, SO WE'RE RECONFIGURING THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, WE'RE TAKING, UH, SOME OF THE STORAGE SPACE, UM, ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT'S BEEN USED BY THE BACK OF HOUSE USES.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING A RAMP INSIDE ON THE FIRST FLOOR SO THAT YOU CAN GET TO THE MANAGEMENT OFFICE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES, UM, WE'RE PUTTING IN A COMMUNITY ROOM AND AN EXERCISE ROOM, WHICH IS, THESE ARE AMENITIES THAT THEY'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE NEVER HAD BEFORE.
WELL, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I I'M NOT SURE IF YOU THE WIFI, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE COVID AND WE KNOW WE HAD CHALLENGES WITH NOT HAVING ACCESSIBILITY TO WIFI.
WE'RE PROVIDING FREE WIFI, BASIC FREE WIFI, UM, IN EVERY UNIT.
SO YOU'RE CONCERNED, WE SAY BASIC WIFI, SO WELL IT'S 200 UP AND 200 DOWN, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY PROVIDE ACTUALLY.
HCR THE HOMES AND COMMUNITY WILL REQUIRE NOW.
THAT ALL THE UNITS BE PROVIDED AND THEN WE PROVIDE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST TIER OF ACCESS OF, UM, ACCESS TO BROADBAND.
AND THEN FROM THERE THEY CAN UP THAT ADD TO IT AND SO ON.
AND, AND SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS PROCEEDING.
HOW WOULD YOU BE DOING THAT? MOVING THEM TO THE COURTS, REBUILDING THE TOWER, THEN MOVING THEM BACK INTO THE TOWER AND WATCHING THE COURT? WE'RE ONLY DOING, UH, WE'RE DOING TWO, UM,
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UH, VERTICAL LINES.SO BECAUSE THEY'RE BACK TO BACK UTILITIES AND SO ON.
SO WE'RE DOING TWO, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GET AWAY WITH NINE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE 18.
SO WE'RE ONLY GONNA MOVE OUT 18 RESIDENTS, UH, OR HOUSEHOLDS AT A TIME.
UM, AND UH, WHAT WILL'S BEEN DOING IS HOLDING UNITS OFFLINE AS PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, SO WE'RE DOING A COMBINATION OF THAT.
BUT THE NICE THING IS, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE COURTS, IS THAT IF WE HAVE MOVE OUTS OF THE COURTS, YOU'VE GOT A FEW UNITS AT THE COURTS AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AS BEST AS WE CAN TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T GET THE 18 FULL 18, WE PAY FOR ALL MOVING EXPENSES.
I WANNA SAY TOO, YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS GROUP FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS.
THEY ARE THE BEST IN CLASS IN WESTCHESTER IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY'VE DONE THOUSANDS OF UNITS.
THEY'RE THE ONES DOING YOUR DRILL MORE PROJECT NOW.
THEY'RE THE ONES DOING YOUR TARRYTOWN 62 MAJOR, THE OLD WILLIAMS YM, C-Y-M-C-A PROJECT IN, IN TARRYTOWN.
AND THEY ARE, I DON'T KNOW, WOULD YOU BUILD 300 OF THE 750 THAT, UH, MAYBE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRED TO BE BUILT? THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN THE NUMBER ONE 4,000 BUILDER IN, IN WESTCHESTER, IN HUDSON VALLEY.
SO, MM-HMM
COULD WE HEAR FROM EDEDIE? BECAUSE IF THIS IS BASICALLY CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONTROVERSY OVER IT.
EVERYBODY LIKE THE VILLAGE LIKES THE PROJECT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED.
AND UM, AND BASICALLY IF THE PILOT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY WE'VE TREATED OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I CAN'T SEE, UM, ANY CONTROVERSY.
AND THEN I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS AFTER WE, AND AT SOME POINT WILL WE SEE SOME DOCUMENTS? THAT'S MY ISSUE.
WELL, NO, WE'LL ASK EDEDIE TO, THAT'S WHY EDIE'S ON THE LINE SAID SHE HAD DRAFTED SOMETHING.
WE SAID THAT WE RECEIVED BACK A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS DRAFTED BY THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
WHO IN THE TOWN YOU DRAFTED? NO, I BELIEVE EDEDIE DRAFTED.
WELL, BASED ON PROBABLY EDIE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE.
CAN YOU SEND THAT TO US? UH, I BELIEVE I DID.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS STRICTLY, STRICTLY, STRICTLY A DRAFT LETTER FOR REVIEW, UM, INITIALLY BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
AND THEN SO YOU, SO YOU GUYS WOULD BE AWARE, UM, THIS AGREEMENT, THE PILOT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW IS TYPICAL OF, UM, OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.
THE ONE ON FAIRVIEW MANHATTAN AVENUE AND THE TWO IN TERRYTOWN MOORE.
WE'RE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
UM, NOT THAT I WANNA NEGOTIATE AGAINST OURSELVES, BUT IN THIS AGREEMENT, UM, THEY'RE PAYING, UH, UH, PAYMENT OF TAXES BASED ON SHELTER RENTS, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
THEIR PERCENTAGE OF SHELTER RENTS THAT THEY'RE PAYING ON IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
ONLY BECAUSE THE MARKET IS CHANGING.
SO 12%, THEY'RE GONNA END UP PAYING, PAYING MORE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'RE ALSO PAYING THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT WE IMPLEMENTED, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO OR A UNIT.
WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT THURSDAY DRAFT? LAST THURSDAY.
THAT'S NOT REALLY BINDING ANYTHING IN THE TOP OF IT.
YOU SAY IN THE TOP OF THE DOCUMENT YOU SAY, UM, THIS IS THE ONE I REFERENCED BEFORE WHERE IT SAYS AT THE TOP BASICALLY THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING A PILOT.
AND THEN LATER ON IT SAYS THAT ON THE BOTTOM IT SAYS, WE ARE CONSIDERING A PILOT AGREEMENT.
AND AT THE TOP IT TALKS ABOUT THEY NEED US TO COMMIT TO A PILOT AGREEMENT, THE TERMS OF WHICH WILL BE WORKED OUT LATER.
I SEEM, AND MY MY QUESTION IS, IF WE THEN HAVE PILOT AGREEMENT LATER ON, ARE WE NOW GETTING INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A DISPUTE OVER THE PILOT? WE ARE ALREADY COMMITTING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PILOT.
HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT? WHOSE VERSION TRUMPS THE OTHER ONE? THERE'S NO VERY, WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE, YOU'VE GIVEN US THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
WE'VE WELL YOU'RE, THIS IS THE LETTER SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A LETTER.
I SAW A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND, AND WE, SHE GAVE US THE TERMS AND WE AGREED TO THEM.
SO IS IT CONSIDERING OR IS IT WE'RE COMMITTING TO, I I YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED EARLIER, WOULD THIS LETTER BE ENOUGH PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH DATE, WHICH
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LETTER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS? THIS IS THE LETTER WE SHOWED.DID YOU SPEAK TO BILL ABOUT THE LETTER WHEN WE DRAFTED IT NEXT WEEK.
AND IS THAT WHAT WE DID FOR THE DRILL MAR PROJECT? WHICH WOULD SHOW THAT IT IS ACCEPTABLE AT THE TIME AND THEN YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THE FINALIZED PILOT LATER? I'D HAVE TO CHECK.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I I THINK, I THINK THE, I THINK THERE'S SOME HOMEWORK THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE, SO TO YOUR POINT, NO ONE'S AGAINST THE PROJECT OF WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
IT'S JUST THAT WE NEED TO WORK IN FACTS AND HAVE SOMETHING TANGIBLE SO WE CAN REVIEW IT, MAKE SURE IT'S IN AGREEMENT AND EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOOK AT.
SO I JUST, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TIMING IS.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET EVERYONE'S DEADLINE.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY THAT WE NEED? OR MAYBE WE SHOULD WALK AWAY WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM HERE.
SO WHAT'S NEXT STEPS FROM WHAT DO WE NEED TO, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY DOCUMENT.
WE JUST, I'M LOOKING AT AN EMAIL NOW THAT IS JUST THIS, AN EXPLANATION FROM 80.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
AND AGAIN, NOBODY THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING TOMORROW.
WE ARE LOOKING AT A NOVEMBER 7TH DEADLINE I GUESS.
SO WE CAN DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WE CAN GO BACK AND FIND OUT EXACTLY.
WORK, UH, AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS WITH RESPECT TO THE TOWN'S CONSENT.
AND WHETHER IT'S BY LETTER OR MOU THAT CAME BACK, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO WHAT? AND YOUR DEADLINES MATTERS.
THERE IS NO DOUBT IT IS NOVEMBER 7TH.
LIKE I SAID ONCE BEFORE, I REMEMBER BEING INVOLVED WITH IT.
WE SENT IT IN ON NOVEMBER 7TH, WHICH STATED THAT THE TOWN WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANT, THE TOWN WILL BE GRANTING A, WE DID SOMETHING VERY AMORPHOUS IN THE APPLICATION AND THE NEXT DAY PAUL WAS AUTHORIZED AND SENT A LETTER DIRECTLY.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T SUPPLEMENT THE APPLICATION AFTER THE SEVENTH.
BUT YOU SENT A LETTER IN BECAUSE IT WAS VOTED ON THE NEXT DAY.
THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THE LETTER THAT WE SENT YOU.
THE, THE, UH, DIRECTION I RECALL WE ACTUALLY STAMPED AT THE NIGHT OF THE MEETING.
AND SO IT BECAME EFFECTIVE THAT SAME DAY.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL IT THOUGH.
NOT HAVING TERMS, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL THE DAY AFTER, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE TERMS, IT DIDN'T HAVE IT HAD TERMS. WE ALWAYS END UP HAVING TERMS. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE TERMS BECAUSE OTHERWISE SAYING WE'RE GONNA DO A PILOT THAT'S GREAT AND, AND APPRECIATED.
BUT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE'RE IN SUCH A COMPETITIVE STATE, UM, IF, IF THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, APPLICATION LIKE OURS THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEY'RE JUST GONNA SAY, MM-HMM,
THE, THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT ALL OF THE FINANCING REALLY RESTS ON WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR TAXES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SIZE THE FIRST MORTGAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALSO INTERTWINED.
IT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT, UH, OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
ARIS NEXT MEETING IS, OFFICIAL MEETING IS NOVEMBER 8TH.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, THIS MEETING IS BEING TELEVISED RIGHT NOW.
SO LET'S SAY ALL OF US SAY IN CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS UNOFFICIAL.
IF WE SAY IN CONCEPT, WE BASICALLY, UM, DON'T SEE ANY, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE, UH, PROOFREAD THE, YOU KNOW, THE LETTER.
AND THEN I BASICALLY SEND A LETTER TO THE STATE ON SAYING, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THERE WAS A TOWN BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK SESSION.
YOU KNOW, TODAY, NOBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD OPPOSES THIS PROJECT.
EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD IS, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED TO, UM, UM, TO PILOT.
WE, WE, WE MET WITH, UM, THE ASSESSOR, EDIE MCCARTHY, WHO BASICALLY SAID THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, WE, WE JUST WANT TO PROOFREAD, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S GOOD AND WE'RE HAVING A TOWN BOARD MEETING ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, PLEASE ADVISE US AND WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT IF, IF THEY WATCH THIS AND EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD IS SAYING THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING IT, THAT'S STRONGER TO, TO ME THAN A LETTER.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS THAT WE NEED PAPERWORK.
WE NEED TO, THAT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT.
THE REASON WHY STATE'S NOT GONNA ACCEPT AND THE REASON WHY, AND, AND I WILL, I WILL AGREE.
BILL BALTER DOES UNBELIEVABLE WORK WHAT HE'S DOING ON DR.
MARR ROAD AS FAR AS GREEN BUILDING.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT WANT TO CUT THEIR SALARY SO THAT THEY COULD AFFORD TO GET IN THERE
SO THEY CAN NOT AFFORD, UM, RETAIL OR MARKET RATE.
'CAUSE IT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE QUALITY OF WORK HE DOES.
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I JUST, YOU COULD SEE I GET VERY, UM,
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TROUBLED.WHEN I HEAR, WHAT I HEARD IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE, BEFORE THIS EXPIRATION DATE.
I DON'T VOTE ON SOMETHING UNLESS I READ IT.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING.
I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THIS TO BE AN AGREEMENT FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT HAS INCONSISTENCIES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THE PILOT WITH YOU.
NO, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THE LETTER THAT WE SENT IN WITH YOU.
WE WILL FIND OUT THAT WAS A DRAFT OF A FORM THAT HAD BEEN USED.
WE'LL FIND OUT IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE STATE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR PEOPLE HAD DRAFTED THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.
WE'RE HAPPY TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH IT AND THEN WE CAN FIND OUT IF IT'S ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.
THERE BE A SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE THE SEVENTH.
YOU'LL MAKE THE PUBLIC POLY DECISION AS TO WHETHER TO DO THAT OR NOT.
OR IF IT CAN BE DONE ON THE EIGHTH, WE'LL FIND THAT OUT.
BUT WE WANTED TO COME IN TODAY.
WHAT THE REASON WE INSISTED COMING TODAY, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT IF WE DIDN'T COME IN AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU TODAY.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS HOW WE HAD IT STARTED.
BUT NOBODY WAS ASKING YOU TO VOTE ON SOMETHING TOMORROW.
THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF OUR STAFF KNEW PRIOR TO LAST THURSDAY, ALRIGHT.
THAT THIS WAS COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS SINCE THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER.
WHERE THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DON'T HAVE IT TOGETHER TODAY.
WE CERTAINLY COULD HAVE HAD IT TOGETHER LAST THURSDAY.
BUT TO ME THAT A LOT OF THIS IS MOM AND APPLE PIE.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMPLEX, RIGHT? AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE BINDING THE TOWN ON ANYTHING FINANCIAL.
AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A FINANCIAL SITUATION.
STATE OF NEW YORK, WITHOUT DISCUSSING WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, THE STATE OF YORK CONTROLS THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT CREATES AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
GIVES YOU SEVEN WEEKS FOR YOUR DEADLINE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S COMING.
AND THEN THEY TELL YOU HAVE SEVEN WEEKS TO HAVE YOUR APPLICATION, WHICH INCLUDES SUPPORT FROM A MUNICIPAL ENTITY THAT HAS TO BE VOTED ON THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
IT'S FIVE DAYS SINCE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? IS THAT IT'S, IT'S FIVE DAYS, NOT SEVEN.
YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE TOLD YOU ON THE 15TH THAT WE COULD HAVE INFORMED YOU WHAT WE WERE DOING ON THE 15TH.
YOU THINK ALL YOU THINK THESE PLANS THAT WE'VE JUST SHOWN YOU JUST SHOWED UP IN THE LA YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FOUR DAYS DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
SO HAVE SOME I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
HAVE SOME CONCEPT OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH.
WE GOT HERE AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
I KNOW WHEN I HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE FOOLING AROUND AND DOING THINGS AND ASKING FOR THINGS, THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE CASES.
IT JUST, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FIRST TIME YOU KNEW THAT THERE WAS A PILOT NEEDED WAS LAST THURSDAY? NO, NO.
OUR CON WE KNEW ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT UNTIL 10 DAYS AGO.
THEY KNEW WHEN IT CAME ON SEPTEMBER 15TH THAT THAT HAD TO HAPPEN.
BUT THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN AS WELL THAT HAVE TO OCCUR BEFORE YOU.
YOU WANT US TO COME TO YOU AND ASK FOR A PILOT AND FIND OUT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THE PROJECT.
YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE TO FIGURE OUT IF THE PROJECT WORKS.
THEY HAD TO MEET WITH THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO FIND OUT IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY GONNA BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS PROJECT.
BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER ONES YOU HAVE TO SELECT.
THEY DON'T GIVE OUT VERY MANY.
YOUR ORGANIZATION AT BEST GETS ONE, SOMETIMES TWO, SOMETIMES ZERO, MOST TIMES ZERO.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA PUT IN FOR A PROJECT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AWARDED.
YOU WANNA PUT IN FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH PROJECT GOES FORWARD.
YOU COMPETE AGAINST YOURSELVES, NOT JUST SO, SO WHAT, SO BASICALLY, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE? WHAT DO, WHAT DO ARE WE GONNA CALL A SPECIAL MEETING OR, OR, OR WHATEVER.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO GET DOCUMENTATION.
WE NEED OUR TOWN ATTORNEY TO GO OVER JOE AND EDIE TOMORROW THAT WE ASSUME YOU WILL BE DISTRIBUTING WITH THE BOARD.
AND WE WILL GO BACK TO FIND OUT THE EXACT REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE IF THE NOVEMBER 8TH VOTE WOULD BE ENOUGH.
AND IF NOT, WE'LL TELL YOU THIS IS WHAT IT HAS TO READ AS AGAIN, THE TERMS ARE SUBJECT TO A NEGOTIATION, WHICH IT'S NOT MUCH OF A NEGOTIATION.
YOUR ASSESSOR TELLS US WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE.
WE SAID, WHY DON'T WE DO WHAT YOU DID IN THE LAST TIME.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE WHOLE NEGOTIATION ON THAT.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE NEED AND THEN IF IT CAN'T BE THE EIGHTH, YOU'LL MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MEET AGAIN BEFORE THE SEVENTH.
WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AT ONE OF THE HALLOWEEN.
AND THE PARKWAY GARDENS, UH, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE THERE ANYWAY.
UM, WE, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE IS, IT WOULD BE, UH, BETTER OVERALL, NO QUESTION.
IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A VOTE ON THE PILOT AND PUT IT IN AND IT'S CLEAN AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FAVORS FROM THE STATE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ALWAYS AFFECTS THEIR, HOW THEY LOOK AT
I THINK THAT WE, IF WE'RE ALL GONNA BE AT THE PARK YES.
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BE AT THE PARKWAY GARDENS, UM, YOU KNOW, HALLOWEEN THING ON SUNDAY, UM, AND BASICALLY A TOWN BOARD MEETING.THIS SUNDAY? NO, I'M SAYING IF, IF YOU HAVE IT AND WE'RE ALL GONNA BE THERE, WE HAVE TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT.
WE WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER ALMOST.
THIS PART, THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO HAVE STEPS WE WANT GO THROUGH.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE AS OPPOSED TO WE HAVE SOME TIME.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE WHAT? WE HAVE A WEEK, TWO WEEKS.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET THE DOCUMENT, THE BOTTOM LINE AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, AS WE WALK AWAY TONIGHT, WE JUST NEED TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION AS SOONER AS YOU GET THE DOCUMENTATION, WE CAN GO REVIEW IT AND WE CAN GET THIS BALL OVER.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
YOU HAVE 14 MINUTES TO GET TO WHEREVER YOU HAVE TO GO.
YOU TRY TO GET
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANKS FOR LISTENING TO ALWAYS GOOD TO TAKE CARE.
THIS IS ONLY GONNA TAKE, UM, A MINUTE, UM, OR TWO.
YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, GARY RAPPAPORT, UM, TALKED TO ME ABOUT CLOTHING BINS AND YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU'RE DONATING USE CLOTHING YOU THINK AND YOU GO PUT IN A BIN, YOU BASICALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO LOWER INCOME PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT A LOT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOR-PROFIT, UM, COMPANIES LIKE THE ONE OUTSIDE THE TOWN HALL.
AND BASICALLY THEY TAKE THE CLOTHING AND THEY DON'T REALLY GIVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PLACES DON'T GIVE IT TO THE POOR.
THEY JUST SELL IT FOR THE, ON THE BASIS OF WEIGHT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CLOTHING.
UM, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? HOW DID YOU, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? I JUST DON'T KNOW.
THEY RECORD SOMETHING I GOOGLED.
UH, SO, UH, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT COMPANY THAT WE HAVE OUT HERE.
UM, AND WE SELL IT FOR WEIGHT.
I'M PRETTY SURE THEY SELL IT FOR WEIGHT BECAUSE I REMEMBER.
BUT NO, BUT SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE COME UP WITH A LAW, UM, SAYING THAT ANY, AND I WROTE TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, I WROTE TO THE LEGISLATURE, UM, I SAID THAT FOR ALL THE BINS IN AND AROUND THE TOWN, THERE SHOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, SOME SORT OF, UM, UH, STATEMENT SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S, HOW THESE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED, IS IT GONNA BE USED FOR, UM, RECYCLING? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THEM USE IT.
HOW DO, DO YOU REGULATE THAT? LIKE WHO'S GONNA MONITOR THAT? NO.
WHO'S GONNA MONITOR THAT? WHO'S GONNA REGULATE THAT? WHO'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE ENFORCE IT? IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? WHO'S GONNA ENFORCE THAT? WELL, WE WOULD REQUIRE, ON EACH BIN THEY WOULD HAVE TO STATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THERE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
BUT IT WOULDN'T BE EXCEPT, BUT THEN IT SHOULD BE THAT IT, WELL, I THINK IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE CONTRACT.
YOU CAN HAVE AN AUDIT OF THEIR BOOKS TO ENSURE WHERE THOSE PROCEEDS ARE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE A SIGN IS NOT GOING TO MAKE, MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING.
IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO, IT, IT, I THINK THAT THAT CAN SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE DO IN, IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.
MOST OF IT ISN'T, MOST OF MY CONCERN IS NOT THE BINS OVER HERE AND ON MUNICIPAL PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME ON COUNTY PROPERTY, THERE'S SOME ON MUNICIPAL PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BINS AT GAS STATIONS ALL OVER THE, ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
AND I KNOW, AND I WAS SORT OF THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SOMEBODY CALLED ME, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND, I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, SOMETIMES I'LL DROP OFF CLOTHING, UM, AT A BIN AND I THINK THAT I'M DOING A GOOD DEEDED WHEN I'M REALLY NOT.
SO IF, IF A COMPANY SAID THIS IS FOR PROFIT, WE'RE RECYCLING, AND THEN I BASICALLY, AND THERE'S SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF LIKE STATEMENT ON THERE AND THEY BASICALLY SAY, WE'RE JUST USING IT.
WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT FOR WEIGHT, WE'RE GONNA RECYCLE IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA GO TO THE POOR.
THEN I AS A DONOR COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
SAY I DON'T WANT TO DONATE TO THEM, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GOODWILL WILL SAY, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THE CLOTHING AND WE'RE GIVING IT TO THE POOR.
OR YOU KNOW, JUST, I JUST THINK WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I ADDED THE WORDS, UH, AND PERCENT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE, THESE SO-CALLED CHARITY ORGANIZATIONS, THEY MIGHT HAVE 50% ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, WHICH RIGHT.
BUT IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO POST, THAT MEANS THAT IT HAS TO BE AN AUDIT BY SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REPUTABLE AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ADD TO WHAT'S ON THERE.
BUT WE CAN'T REGULATE DIFFERENTLY WHAT'S ON TOWN PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S NOT ON TAP PROPERTY.
NO, I'M SAYING EVERYTHING SHOULD BE THE SAME.
IT'S GOTTA BE ON ALL, ALL THAT, BUT RIGHT.
BUT I'M JUST, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BASICALLY TRY COMING UP WITH A CONCEPT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ASK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE COUNTY WOULD ALSO WANT TO DO, I THINK THIS IS A CONSUMER FEAR.
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JIM ANA, UM, YESTERDAY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY CONSUMER FEARS OFFICE MIGHT WANT.UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY'RE GIVING IT TO THE POOR WHEN THEY'RE NOT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ZONING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST PUT BINS ANYWHERE.
IT COMES UP A BIG PROJECT, EVEN IT ON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND WE MAY ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE UH, WE, YOU KNOW, HAD, HAD THIS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME, BUT WE, AND I, WE DO GET I THINK LIKE $75 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE GET SOMETHING, WE HAVE IT IN ON SOME PROPERTIES.
WE MAY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD RATHER, UH, DO AN RFP AND ONLY, UH, WORK WITH NOT-FOR-PROFITS.
NOW IT COULD BE THAT THERE COULD BE A NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT IS ACCEPTING THE BINS AND MAYBE MOST OF THE CLOTHING, UM, WILL, IF IT'S ON, ON THE BASIS OF TONNAGE, MAYBE THE CLOTHING WON'T BE USED OR MAYBE A LOT OF THE CLOTHING MIGHT BE JUNK OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE REALITY IS, EVEN, EVEN IF THEY'RE TAKING THE CLOTHING AND RESELLING IT TO OTHERS, YOU KNOW, AND GETTING CASH FOR IT, IT'S STILL BEING RECYCLED.
OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL USING IT.
IT'S NOT GOING INTO A LANDFILL.
I THINK THE PRIMARY GOAL, OUR PRIMARY GOAL SHOULD BE TO PREVENT IT FROM GOING INTO A LANDFILL.
IF IT'S BEING REUSED, THAT'S GREAT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIGHT AGAINST, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? TRASH FASHION.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REUSE THINGS RATHER THAN KEEP MAKING NEW THINGS.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING IMMEDIATELY INTO THE HANDS OF SOME POOR PERSON DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT BENEFITING THE ENVIRONMENT AS A WHOLE.
AND IN SOME INSTANCES THE, THE FABRICS ARE BEING REPURPOSED.
SO THAT IT HAS A SECOND LIFE IN ANY CASE.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OF THAT SALE, YOU KNOW, TO WHATEVER RECYCLER GOES ACTUALLY TO THE POOR, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S BILLED AS NOW IT'S BILLED AS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO, TO IT.
INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN YOUR, YOUR GARBAGE, PUT IT IN THIS BIN.
AT LEAST THE PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE COULD WORK ON THE WORDING AND I'D LIKE TO REVIEW THE CURRENT CONTRACT WE HAVE.
LET'S, LET'S START WITH OUR OWN HOUSE
LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE UP AND DOWN.
THIS IS CHANGE MAR MARTHA LOPEZ IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND.
YEAH, SHE'S SO, AND WE SHOULD, WE COULD TAKE HER OFF THE AGENDA.
ASKED HER IF SHE COULD RECOMMEND SOMEONE ELSE.
AND SHE SAID THAT SHE WASN'T ABLE.
I TRIED, I TRIED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TO HELP OUT THERE.
NEITHER OF WHOM COULD MAKE IT.
ACTUALLY THREE PEOPLE AT THIS LATE DATE.
IF I'M ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO HAVING, ON NOVEMBER 8TH, WE'RE HAVING THIS THIRD RAISING FOR, FOR UH, PUERTO RICO.
AND, UH, SO MAYBE, UH, THEY MIGHT WANT TO, UH, WELL, HISPANIC HISTORY MONTH WAS FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH TO OCTOBER 15TH.
SO, AND THAT'S DIFFERENT, RIGHT? THAN YEAH.
THAT, THAT WAS MORE SOUTH AMERICAN, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMEONE JUST TOTALLY SPEAKING, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, PUERTO PUERTO RICO MATTER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
LOUIS SANCHEZ IS A LOCAL, UH, YEAH, THIS AFFILIATED WITH THE UNION.
THAT'S NEXT ONE FOR THE NEXT ONE.
PRETTY REASON FOR THIS ONE TOMORROW.
IT, IT, IT GOT POSTPONED A COUPLE OF TIMES APPARENTLY, SO.
SO MARTHA CAN'T MAKE IT THIS OUT.
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AND THEN FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS APPOINTMENT, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO PUT IN THE DATE OF YEAH.UH, JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
I WENT BACK AND SEARCHED AND IN 2021 WE APPOINTED NANCY AS A REGULAR MEMBER AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHY
I WAS REFERRING TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS APPOINTMENT.
OH, IT SAYS DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE FIVE YEAR APPOINTMENTS.
AND WE HAVE TO SEE WHO'S REPLACING WHO.
THAT WOULD BE FILLED IN BY TOMORROW NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ABOUT THE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT.
I GOT A EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE FIRE, I BELIEVE WE'VE WORKED THAT OUT THE OTHER DAY IN THE, IN THE ZOOM CALL.
SO THEY'RE GETTING THE ONE THAT HASN'T GOTTEN PAID.
YOU WERE HEARING FROM FIRE CHIEFS.
THE CONTRACT IS WITH THE VILLAGE.
SO THE VILLAGE, AND THEN THE VILLAGE PAYS THE FIRE.
SO, BUT WE WORK THAT ALL OUT AND, UH, IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NANCY IS ACTUALLY ALREADY A REGULAR MEMBER? WELL, SHE WAS IN 2021.
SHE WAS SUPPOSED
AND, UH, AND SO THE END RESULT IS, AND WHAT WE MAY DO AND WHAT WE DID APPARENTLY IN 2021, IS WE JUST REAPPOINTED EVERYBODY OR APPOINTED EVERYBODY.
BECAUSE WE, THE LIST WAS RIGHT STRAIGHT, UH, CLEAR.
UM, AND WE MAY ULTIMATELY DO THAT AGAIN, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T HURT TO PUT IT ON.
HAS SHE BEEN SERVING? AND IT DOESN'T, SHE'S BEEN SERVING AS AN ALTERNATE THOUGH.
AND, AND WOULD THAT NOT EXPIRE? SHE HASN'T BEEN VOTING, SO WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE, BECAUSE IF THERE WAS EVER A VACANCY THEN, UH, AN ABSENT, SHE WOULD KICK IN.
PAUL, I NOTICED THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 15 YEARS AND MAYBE MORE, UM, THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, TOWN CLERK COMMENTS HAS BEEN REMOVED AT THE, IS, DO YOU KNOW WHY? WAS IT A OVERSIGHT? IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, IS IT OVER OVERSIGHT? GUESS? I DON'T, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE WHERE IT SAYS TOWN CLERK'S COMMENTS.
I JUST, OH, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF, OH YEAH.
I JUST WONDERED IF IT WAS A, UM, OVERSIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WE DO FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE IN VARIOUS MATTERS.
AND WE'RE NOT COMING BACK SECOND, IS THAT CORRECT? SECOND IN FAVOR.