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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 1, 2023 – 6:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVENING.WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 1ST, 2023 MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
JUST EVERYONE PUT YOUR MICS ON IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
THANK YOU BY THE WAY, FOR EVERYBODY SHOWING UP PHYSICALLY, I THINK IT'S A BETTER MEETING WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN PERSON THAN WHEN WE DO IT.
IT'S VERY HARD TO DO A, A HYBRID MEETING FOR EVERYBODY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 4TH, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER BACK THAT FAR? MM-HMM.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, LESLIE TO I HAVE A SECOND.
I JUST WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WHY WE'RE STARTING AT SIX AND WHY WE'RE DOING THAT FOR THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.
OUR SCHEDULE IS PROBABLY THE BUSIEST I'VE SEEN IN YEARS.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME VERY COMPLICATED PROJECTS ON TONIGHT AND FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT THREE MEETINGS PROBABLY INTO JANUARY.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE STARTING EARLY.
I'M GONNA ASK SOME COOPERATION FROM THE BOARD, FROM THE APPLICANTS AND FROM THE PUBLIC WHEN WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND DON'T ASK THE SAME QUESTION A SECOND TIME.
OKAY? AND IF SOMEONE IS, ARE GIVEN A COMMENT AND YOU AGREE WITH IT, JUST SAY YOU AGREE WITH IT RATHER THAN GO INTO ANOTHER LONG EXPLANATION.
LET'S TRY TO KEEP THIS, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT DOING THAT GUYS ANYWAY, BUT I JUST WANNA REINFORCE THAT, GIVEN HOW MUCH WE HAVE, HAVE TO DO ON THE SCHEDULE BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.
WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THE TWO EXTENSIONS, UH, AARON FIRST? SURE.
THAT'S THE D NAPOLI SUBDIVISION.
UH, WE DID GET A REQUEST FROM MR. EMILIO ESCALADES FOR AN EXTENSION ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IT DID COME IN AHEAD OF EXPIRATION, UM, HEAD OF OUR LAST MEETING.
AND, UH, I DID CONFIRM WITH THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING THAT THERE WERE SOME CLARIFICATIONS REQUESTED WITH RESPECT TO THE PLATT AND UTILITIES.
AND, UH, THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT ALSO, UH, NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED ON THE PLATT.
SO THOSE REVISIONS ARE BEING MADE AND A REQUEST STAFF RECOMMENDS A BOARD CONSIDER A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
OKAY, ANDY, THE DISCUSSION ON THAT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO, SO MOVE EXTENSION FOR A HUNDRED, 8,080 DAYS.
SO THAT'S PB 22 DASH ZERO FIVE.
THAT'S THE CCO ROAD SUBDIVISION.
SIMILARLY, MR. ESTIS SUBMITTED A REQUEST NOTING THAT HE HAD BEEN WORKING, UH, IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ISSUED BY THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, UH, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND IDENTIFYING ON THE PLANS ON THE IMPROVEMENT PLANS, DISTANCE SEPARATION.
UH, AS WELL AS PIPING FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
SO HE WAS, UH, TAKING CARE OF THAT.
AND THEN HE'LL BE MAKING THE SUBMISSION TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO GET SIGN OFF ON EVERYTHING.
SO STAFF AGAIN RECOMMENDS 180 DAYS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? COULD HAVE A MOTION AND FOR TO THE BOTH FIRST? YEAH.
CAN I HAVE, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, UH, MY ONLY DISCUSSION IS I WOULD'VE, UM, I WOULD'VE PREFERRED THAT HE PUT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL INTO THE LETTERS.
THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.
UM, AND THERE'S NO REAL DETAILS, BUT YOU GAVE THE DETAIL, AARON, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF AN APPLICANT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC RATHER THAN JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
SHOULDN'T BE AARON HAVING TO EXPLAIN IT.
I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TO GIVE THEM AN EXTENSION FOR 180 DAYS? SO MOVED.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS AN INTENT, UH, BY THE TOWN BOARD TO BE LEAD AGENCY ON THE SOLAR LAW, WHICH WE'RE GONNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT LATER TONIGHT.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO APPROVE IT THE END OF THE DAY.
UH, WE JUST NEED TO VOTE TO, UH, ACCEPT THAT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT? SO MOVED.
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IN FAVOR? AYE.FINALLY, WE'VE BEEN CIRCULATING, UH, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MATT DID, DID IT WITH, UH, JOHAN.
ON SOMETHING THAT WAS SUGGESTED, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS THE, UM, OUR CRITERIA FOR GIVING A POSITIVE, NEUTRAL, OR NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT.
UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, IS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT NOW? IF NOT, I'D LIKE TO VOTE TO ACCEPT IT AND SEND IT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
IS IT ON THIS? NO, IT'S SOMETHING WE JUST WENT OVER THE, THE, UM, THAT SOLAR PROPOSED SOLAR LAW.
UM, ON THE HANDOUT IT SAYS TB 2312 AND ON THE UM, AGENDA IT SAYS TB 2311, WHICH IS IT? IT'S 2312.
AND THE FINAL AGENDA AND THE SCHEDULE WE'RE UPDATED ACCORDING.
AGAIN, THANK YOU JOHANN FOR TAKING THE INITIATIVE ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE ZONING BOARD TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS MEAN.
AND A LOT OF IT'S STILL BEYOND THOSE CATEGORIES IS GONNA BE WHAT WE SAY IN THERE.
THERE'D BE TIMES LIKE THE ONE WE JUST DID WHERE THERE WAS A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD JUST, WE DON'T FEEL IT'S OUR PURVIEW.
IT'S A ZONING BOARD'S PURVIEW, BUT WE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THOSE AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEFORE US NOW, IT'LL BE GOOD TO HAVE THOSE CATEGORIES.
SO THANK WE'RE GOOD MATT AND AARON DID THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THAT
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE CREDIT FOR IT THEN GIVE CREDIT TIME.
I THINK IT'S ALSO VERY GOOD FOR US TO REESTABLISH HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, CHORUS, WE GOT THE CORRESPONDENCE.
SO WE'RE ONTO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS
IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THIS IS JUST A PRE-SUBMISSION CON CONFERENCE.
THE APPLICANT HERE OR ON ZOOM? I BELIEVE ON ZOOM WE HAVE OSCAR.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS GIVE A TOP LINE.
LUCKILY WE'VE SEEN THIS FOR A WHILE NOW BECAUSE WE UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T MEET LAST WEEK, SO PEOPLE HAD TIME, TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION, MAYBE FIVE, 10 MINUTES AS TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ON THE PROJECT, PLEASE.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SHARE YOUR SCREEN TO DO SO.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE THIS, UH, VACANT LOT, WHICH IS ABOUT, UM, WHICH IS 83 199 SQUARE FEET.
WE WANT TO SUBDIVIDE THIS IN TWO LOTS.
UH, ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, EACH ONE OF THEM.
UM, WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THE, SO, UM, S UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE GONNA NEED A BIAS FOR WILL BE THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TWO FLATS, PLOT LOTS.
UH, THE TOWN, UH, ALLOWS JUST FOR ONE, WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO SUBDIVIDE A LOT LIKE THIS.
WE ARE EVEN PROPOSING 40,000, 50 FEET FOR EACH ONE OF THESE LOTS.
UM, WHICH IS THE DOUBLE OF WHAT IS, UM, THE MINIMUM ALLOWED.
UH, WE ARE GONNA COMPLY WITH SETBACKS WITH, UH, THE COVERAGE HEIGHTS, EVERYTHING.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE ONLY DOWNSIDE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO, TO FLAG LOTS.
SO THE PERSON WHO IS INTERESTED IN BUYING THIS, THIS LOT, UH, IS JUST BASICALLY SEEKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON HIGH VARIANTS FOR THAT COULD GO.
AND WHAT ARE OUR POSSIBILITIES ON, ON THIS PROJECT? WE KNOW WE ARE GONNA NEED A STEEP SLOPES, UH, APPLICATION AS WELL.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE PORTION OF THE LOT AS 15 TO 25, UM, STEEP, UH, SLOPES.
AND, UM, BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT
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IT IS.QUESTION, HOW BIG ARE THE TWO LOTS NOW AFTER YOU SUBDIVIDED THEM AND, AND TAKING OUT, I GUESS IT WOULD INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY, THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
THE, THE, THE TOTAL LOT IS 83, 191 99 SQUARE FEET.
EACH OF THESE IS GOING TO BE 40,000, 50 SQUARE FEET EACH LOT.
AND THE DRIVEWAY, THE AREA FOR THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA BE 3099 SQUARE.
ARE YOU EXCLUDING THAT? ARE YOU EXCLUDING THAT FROM THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE TWO LOTS? YES.
EXCLUDING THE BOTH OVER 40,000 WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE, THE DRIVEWAY THEN.
I JUST DID SOME ROUGH MEASUREMENT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SCALE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT IF YOU TOOK THAT SECOND HOUSE AND REORIENTED AND THE POOL THE SAME WAY YOU DID THE, THE FIRST HOUSE.
THERE APPEARS TO BE ENOUGH, UH, SETBACKS TO DO THAT.
UH, HOWEVER, YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO MODIFY, UH, THE LOT SIZES, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THAT FOOTAGE IN THE FRONT, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING 40,500, I THINK THE NUMBER, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE, UH, 39,000, WHATEVER.
SO IT MIGHT BE FOR THAT SMALL DIFFERENCE, GET A BETTER ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND YOU DON'T, YOU ELIMINATE THE FLAG LOT.
YOU SUGGESTING TURN TURNING THE SECOND, THE ONE ON THE TOP.
RIGHT? I DON'T SEE HOW TO ELIMINATE THE FLAG LOCK.
IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE FLAG.
OH, BUT THEN YOU MAKE THE ROAD STRAIGHT ACROSS TO THE END.
WELL, THEY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY THAT NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
YOU MEAN ON, ON THE BOTTOM IF YOU WILL.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE BOTTOM THERE? NO, NO, THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS FINE.
HE'S, HE'S JUST, BUT I'M SAYING YOU, YOU SEE THE DARK PORTION OF THE ROAD, EXTEND THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP PART.
WELL IT IS 'CAUSE IT CONNECTS WITH THEIR DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE THOUGH, WALTER.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TO TOWN STANDARD.
THE DARK PART IS PART, NOT THE TOWN STANDARD.
IF IT WAS TO TOWN STANDARD, IT ACTUALLY, EVEN IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION WOULD COMPLY BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE ENOUGH FRONTAGE ON BOTH LOTS.
SO WHAT'S, UH, SO WHAT, OKAY, SO WHY NOT LOOK AT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THAT, TO COMPLY TO TOWN STANDARDS, REORIENT THE BUILDING AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK THAT, MATT.
COULD YOU SHARE YOUR SCREEN WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DRAWING? YOU DID.
NO, I'M NOT ASKING THE APPLICANT.
MATT, YOU, ARE YOU LISTENING? YES.
CAN YOU SHARE, SHARE YOUR, THE ALTERNATE THAT YOU DREW SO WE CAN SEE IT'S ABSOLUTELY, IT'S WHAT WALTER? UH, OSCAR.
OH, I THINK WALTER HAD A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
WELL, LET, LET'S SEE WHAT MATT HAD.
MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.
HE THOUGHT IT'D BE A FLAG RECORD.
JUST IT'S LAID OUT THE WAY IT IS.
SO HERE THERE'S, UH, 54 FEET OR SO, UH, CONNECTING THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT OF WAY OF HIGH POINT ROAD, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH MEETS THE 50 FOOT MINIMUM WITH REQUIREMENT FOR A ROAD BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND A ROAD BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS ACROSS THIS, UH, SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT.
UH, WHICH WOULD THEN ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR FLAG LOTTS AND VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AS GIVEN THIS IS AN R 20 DISTRICT, YOU ONLY NEED 20,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT AND THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM WITH, UH, FOR THE LOT AREA AND ALSO FOR THE LOT WIDTH FOR BOTH LOTS IF YOU DO THIS CONFIGURATION.
COULD YOU ALTERNATELY, MATT, IF YOU TOOK THE, THE WHAT IS NOW THAT DRIVEWAY, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T JUST WIDEN THAT DRIVEWAY TO TOWN STANDARD AND STILL ACCOMPLISH THAT WITHOUT CHANGING THE ORIENTATION OF THE TWO HOUSES? YOU MEAN THE DRIVEWAY, THE APPLICANT'S TIME? YEAH.
IT WOULD BE A AWKWARD 90 DEGREE TURN.
UH, YOU'D HAVE A FIRE TRUCK GO UP, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE THAT NOW TO A RIGHT.
COR BUT YOU HAVE THAT NOW WITH THE, WITH THEIR, THEIR FLAG LINE AT HAVE THE SAME TURN.
BUT BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE SAME TURN NOW.
CAN'T IT BE EASIER? 'CAUSE IT'D BE WIDER? YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, I,
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UH, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE ANY REASON.THAT'D BE THE ONLY REASON, BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE FLAG LOT.
SO, UH, JUST THE LOT WIDTH THEN I THINK IT COULD WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST HAVE TO ENGINEER IT.
IF A FIRETRUCK COULD MAKE THE TURN THE WAY IT IS NOW INTO THAT, THAT OTHER DRIVEWAY, THE LONGER DRIVEWAY, MICHAEL SOMETHING THAT IF THERE WAS A FORMAL SUBMISSION, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SITTING.
WASN'T THAT A FIRETRUCK WOULD? YEAH, THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR SHARP TURNS.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR TWO ALTERNATE DESIGNS THAT WOULD MEET ALL ZONING CRITERIA.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? REMEMBER GUYS, THIS IS ONLY, YEAH, THIS IS ONLY A PRE-SUBMISSION.
I HAD, UH, GOING TO THE BOARD FOR OPINION, BUT I THINK THAT STAFF HAS A PRETTY GOOD ALTERNATE.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST SORT OF RUN WITH IT AND THEN COME OVER HERE THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT.
WELL, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE YEAH, THAT'D UP TO, THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD BEFORE I HEAR GET, GO AHEAD.
I THINK BEFORE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT TWO ALTERNATE IS, IS, UH, ONE ALTERNATE REQUIRES A MORE DISTURBANCES VERSUS THE OTHER ONCE YOU BUILD THE TOWN TO TOWN STAMP.
HE DOESN'T KNOW, HE DIDN'T DO THIS.
MATT DID A NO, NO, IT'S APPLICANT HERE.
THE APPLICANT DIDN'T DO THE ALTERNATE.
SO I, MATT, I SPOKE WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PREPARING THIS ALTERNATE, UM, WITH THE ZONING COMPLIANT ALTERNATE AND THEY PUT TOGETHER THAT SKETCH.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, SPEAKING WITH THE CLIENT, UM, THE OWNER OF THE LOT, THEY PREFER TO DO THE DUAL FLAG LOT, UH, ORIENTATION, UH, IN ORDER TO ENABLE LARGER LOT AREAS.
UM, BECAUSE WITH THE, WITH THE EXTENDING THE ROADWAY TO TOWN STANDARDS, YOU DO LOSE, UH, 10 TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL OF THE LOT, UH, TO THAT ROADWAY.
AND BY DEFINITION THERE'S MORE PER IMPERIAL SURFACE AND MORE DISTURBANCE BY DEFINITION.
YES, BUT I THINK, AND ALSO THE GO AHEAD, THE PERSON LOOKING TO BUY THE LOT ALSO WANTS TO HAVE THAT LOT FOR HIM ON THE BACK FOR PRIVACY AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY HE PREFERS THIS CONFIGURATION.
BUT IF YOU JUST WIDEN THAT FLAG SO THAT IT'S A ROAD TO TOWN STANDARDS THAT MIGHT SOLVE THE PROBLEM, WOULD THAT MAKE ITS ZONING COMPLIANT OR NOT? OR IT'S STILL A FLAG? I THINK YOU'D A FRONT FRONTAGE HOW MUCH FRONTAGE YOU NEED IN OUR 2050 FEET.
THE LOT WIDTH, THE LOT LOT WIDTH.
SO THEN HE HAS NO, THEN IT WOULD BE COMPLIANT.
POTENTIALLY IT WOULD BE COMPLIANT AND IT WOULD BE LESS, IT WOULD MAKE LESS OF A CHANGE AND IT WOULD BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SERVICE THAN
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SUBMIT WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, I WOULD TAKE THE, THE WAY THE PLANNING BOARD'S GOING THOUGH, UH, A AS FOR THAT, I, YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH LAND THERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE DISTURBANCE MORE THAN ANYTHING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE DISTURBANCE.
BUT IN USING PREVIOUS P IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS PAPERS, EXCUSE ME, IS AN OPTION.
UM, YOU'VE GOT A ROAD GOING TO JUST ONE LOT BASICALLY IN THE BACK.
I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN BUILDING THAT TO TOWN STANDARD.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENTLY WIDE TO ACCOMMODATE TRUCKS AND MAYBE A PASSING CAR, BUT IT'S ONLY GOING TO ONE HOUSE BASICALLY.
THERE'S NO POINT LAYING EXTRA PAVEMENT FOR THAT PRICE.
SO IT'LL BE OPTING FOR A VARIANCE.
WELL, SO YOU HAVE THAT ALTERNATIVE TO, AND YOU HAVE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTS WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE POINT OF DISCUSSING.
BUT I THINK I LIKE MATT'S ALTERNATE FOR REASON OF VERY, UH, VERY CLEAN, VERY, VERY, UH, WALTER GOOD SOLUTIONS TO THE, UH, TO THE MOVEMENT AND ALSO TO THE, UH, WITH, UH, THANKS FIRE DEPARTMENT
I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS ALL OUR COMMENTS.
IT'S MORE, MORE SIMPLER AND RIGHT.
I MEAN ONE, ONE SUGGESTION THAT I MIGHT HAVE IS IF THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WANTS TO ARRANGE FOR A MEETING WITH THE LOCAL FIRE DISTRICT TO KIND OF GO OVER THE VARIOUS LAYOUTS MM-HMM.
JUST REMEMBER AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DECISION ON
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THE FLAG LOT WON'T BE THE PLANNING BOARDS.THAT WILL BE THE ZONING BOARDS.
IT'S IN THEIR, THEIR, WE CAN RECOMMEND ONE THING OR ANOTHER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S THERE, IT WILL BE UP TO THEM WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO FLAG LOTTS.
AND THE TOWN HAS BEEN DISCOURAGING FLAG LOTS FOR YEARS FOR THE REASONS KITZ STATED, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO.
AND WE DON'T EVEN LIKE DEAD IN STREETS ANYMORE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO CONNECTED STREETS, BUT FOR THE SAME KIND OF REASON BECAUSE PEOPLE GET CAUGHT AT THE END.
THAT'S ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE NO, I THINK MOVE ON.
UH, MR. VARDE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE? HELLO, MR. ARVELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? NO, I THINK IT'S CLEAR WHAT WE ARE GONNA, WE NEED TO DO.
SO WE CAN, UH, COORDINATE WITH YOU AS YOU LOOK TO MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
UH, IT'S TWO BLUEBERRY HILL PO BOX IRVINGTON.
IT'S A PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WET WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, FOR BUILDING A TWO STORY ADDITION ON A HOUSE AND A NEW GARAGE.
AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT MOST OF THIS IS IN PLACE OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY A DRIVEWAY.
UM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO DO WHAT WE DID DID WITH, UH, OUR LAST APPLICANT.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US LIKE A FIVE MINUTE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT SO EVERYBODY, THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, ELIZABETH LEE, WHO I BELIEVE IS IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
HI THERE, HOW ARE YOU? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN.
UH, WE ABLE TO, IS IT STRAIGHT UP? NOT YET.
LET ME, UH, IT'S THINKING ABOUT IT.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, THIS PROJECT YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE SOME COMPLEX PROJECTS GOING ON.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS NOT ONE OF, UH, WHAT THIS IS IS THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE AT TWO BLUEBERRY LANE, AND THAT IS KIND OF DIGNIFIED BY THE, UH, GRAY SHADED AREA HERE.
AND PROPOSAL IS TO ADD AN EXTENSION, UH, OFF TO THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY, UP NORTH END OF THE HOUSE.
UH, YOU'D HAVE A SECOND STORY UP HERE.
UH, THERE'D BE A GARAGE UNDERNEATH THE SECOND STORY.
IT'D BE, UH, CALLED THIS A BREEZEWAY, UH, DOWN HERE, UM, UH, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PASS THROUGH UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE.
AND IN THE BEHIND THIS NEW GARAGE WOULD'VE A DECK.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE VIEW FROM THE STREET.
THIS WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE WEST.
UH, DOWN BELOW THIS ELEVATION WOULD BE LOOKING FROM THE NORTH.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE, UH, SIDE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A NEW DRIVEWAY COMING DOWN THIS WAY.
UH, THERE'S A GARAGE GOING TO BE INSTALLED, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW SECOND STORY, UH, LIVING AREA UP ABOVE.
AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THIS DECK, UH, OFF TO THE BACK.
UH, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
AGAIN, THIS IS BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
UM, CAN CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE ON THE STRUCTURE? UH, OKAY, LET ME GONNA DO THIS THEN DO IT THIS WAY.
IS THAT YOU TOOK ME OFF THE PRESENTATION SCREEN THERE, SO I'M KIND OF, HOW'S THAT? SEE? IS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? THAT'S GREAT.
SO AGAIN, UH, HERE'S BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY AT THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, ANOTHER MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT IS, UH, IMPROVING THIS DRIVEWAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A SLOPE RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONTOURS.
THERE IS A SLOPE GOING FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, JUST UNDER HALF OF THE LOT IS A FAIRLY LARGE POND.
UH, SO THIS DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE, UM, IT IS A, ON A RELATIVELY STEEP SLOPE, AND IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SAFEST OR THE MOST, UH, CONVENIENCE OF DRIVEWAYS.
UH, SO PART OF, UH, THE PROJECT WOULD BE TO INSTALL THIS DRIVE THROUGH, UH, PORT STREET DRIVEWAY HERE, UH, TO ALLOW THE OWNER BETTER ACCESS AND BETTER USE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, DRIVE IN HERE BACK IN, UH, THEY COULD EVEN PARK IN THIS AREA HERE.
THERE'S NUMEROUS THINGS THEY COULD DO THAT WOULD MAKE THIS MUCH MORE CONVENIENT.
UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE DOWN HERE.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING DECK OFF THE BACK.
THIS WOULD BE THE NEW GARAGE WITH A, UH, SECOND STORY LOOK SPACE
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ON TOP OF IT.THE BREEZEWAY, UH, REFERENCES IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, AND THERE'LL BE A NEW STACK OFF TO THE, UH, REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE MAJOR, UH, THING, WE HAVE APPLIED FOREST BECAUSE OF THE POND.
WE ARE NECESSARILY WITHIN THE BUFFER ZONE OF THE POND THAT ATED THE, UH, WETLAND AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING.
UH, WE HAVE APPLIED WITH ENGINEERING FOR A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED.
UH, THE LEASE FOR THE STEEP SLOPES PERMIT IS PRIMARILY IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
THIS DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO, OF COURSE, CONNECT TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ON AN EXISTING STEEP SLOPE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WOULD'VE A TREE CUTTING PERMIT.
UH, THE PATHWAY OF THIS DRIVEWAY, THESE THREE TREES RIGHT HERE, UH, THEY ARE, UH, NORWAY SL TREES, I BELIEVE, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, FAIR TO MIDDLE IN CONDITION.
UH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING WE'RE MOVING THOSE THREE TREES, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CUT THE NEW DRIVEWAY IN AND WE WOULD INSTALL AND PLACE, UH, SOME NEW TREES.
WE'RE THINKING, UH, EITHER ALONG THIS ROAD OR WE DO HAVE A MORE DEVELOPED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT OUR LANDSCAPING ARCHITECTS PUT TOGETHER.
UM, AGAIN, SOME POTENTIAL FOR NEW TREES DOWN HERE AND OUR NEW PLANTINGS IN THE REAR AREA OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS HERE, OF COURSE, IS STORM WATER.
UH, OUR STRATEGY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, WE HAVE AN EROSION SETTLEMENT PATROL PLAN REPAIR.
UH, OF COURSE THE MAIN, UH, FOCUS OF OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO PROTECT THE POND BY INSTALLATION OF SILT FENCE IN FRONT OF THE POND AND INSTALLATION OF SILT FENCE TO CONTAIN THE WORK AREA.
UH, OUR POST-CONSTRUCTION CONDITION, UH, WE DO NOT BELIEVE, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING CONDITION.
OF COURSE, WE'VE ADDED SOME IMPERVIOUS AREA DUE TO THE NEW ROOF AND DUE TO THE NEW DRIVEWAY, UH, HOWEVER, WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT FAIRLY WELL WITH SOME OF THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UH, WE DO HAVE A RAIN GARDEN, UH, SOMEWHAT NESTLED IN HERE, UH, WITH THIS NEW DRIVEWAY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CONTOURS, A LOT OF THE, UH, SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE RUNOFF ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD OR FROM THE NEW DRIVEWAY, WOULD BE, UH, CHANNELED TOWARD THIS, UH, RAIN GARDEN RIGHT HERE.
UH, SOME NEW PLANTINGS IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AS I MENTIONED.
AND, UH, WITH THE POND HERE, WE, WE, OUR STRATEGY IS WE WANNA AVOID POINT DISCHARGES INTO THE POND.
WE'RE TRYING TO INCUR A SHEET FLOW OVER THIS CLAY LAWN AREA.
HAVE SOME, UH, TREES, UH, PARTICULARLY SOME WILLOW TREES IN BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE POND, AND SOME OTHER PLANTINGS DOWN HERE TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN OR ABSORB AS MUCH, UH, ADDITIONAL STORM WATER AS POSSIBLE.
WE DID ALSO, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF GUTTERS, WHICH I'M VERY MUCH FAIR ABOUT.
UM, THAT IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF OUR, UH, STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN AND OUR EROSION TEMPERAMENT CONTROL PLAN.
AND THAT IS, UH, THE REASON WE TOOK THAT ROUTE IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT ELSE WE CAN DO AT THIS PROPERTY.
UH, BEDROCK AT THIS, UH, LOCATION IS RELATIVELY HIGH.
THERE ARE WALKOUT PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UH, THERE IS NO BASEMENT ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND, UH, THAT IS FOR MOST OF THE OTHER HOMES ON BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE NO, UH, REAL BASES.
UM, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF SOIL TO WORK WITH.
SO, UH, ANY SORT OF INFILTRATION, UM, PRACTICE WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE HERE.
THERE'S NO REAL PLACE TO CONSTRUCT, UH, A DETENTION BASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO WHEN WE STEP BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THE NATURAL, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS NATURALLY WANTS TO WORK, UH, THIS POND IS IN FACT A NATURAL DE, UH, DETENTION POND.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA UTILIZE THAT POND AND WE'RE GONNA PROTECT IT AS BEST AS WE CAN WITH THE NEW PLANTERS.
UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO THE BOARD IS, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE, UH, NEAR THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE, THE SIDE LOT LINE.
UH, SO WE WILL NEED TO APPLY FOR, UH, I BELIEVE SIX VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE GARAGE, THE DRIVEWAY, AND, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SIDE.
UM, WE ARE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING OF, UH, THE ZONING BOARD.
AND AFTER THAT, ONCE WE, UH, ARE ABLE TO GET VARIANCES, WE DO PLAN ON GOING AHEAD WITH SUBMITTING THE FULL BUILDING PERMIT, THE PACKAGE.
NOW IS, SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UNDERLYING WATER AND ALL THAT, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR A COAL TECH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? NO, SIR.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE RAIN GARDEN OR, OR SOME KIND OF NATURAL FEATURE LIKE THAT, BUT PUTTING, WHY WOULD YOU PUT IT IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THE WATER'S GOING TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? WELL, I, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INTERCEPT AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN, AS CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY AS WE CAN.
UH, BECAUSE MOST OF THE RUNOFF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTOURS ALONG BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD AND AT THIS DRIVEWAY, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS FLOWED
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RIGHT TOWARDS THE SPOT RIGHT HERE.SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL, WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT AS MUCH AS WE CAN A, FROM GETTING TO THE HOUSE, PREVENT MOISTURE INTO THE, INTO THE CRAWL BASE.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SENSE OF HAVING IT FLOW OVER IF WE DON'T NEED TO.
AND ARE YOU GOING TO CONNECT THE GUTTERS TO SOMETHING, OR TO A PIPE TO THE POND, OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE GUTTERS? UH, WE DON'T WANNA CONNECT THE, TO THE POND.
WE DO NOT WANNA POINT THIS CHARGE THE, THE, UH, PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF AN OUTFALL AT THE, UH, AT THE, UH, BOUNCE SPOUT OF THE GUTTER.
UH, SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, RIP WRAP OR, YOU KNOW, STONE
AND WE WANNA ENCOURAGE, UH, JUST THE, THE, THE SHEET FLOW, YOU KNOW, UH, OVER THIS, THIS LAWN, THIS GRASSED AREA, OR INTO THIS PLANTED AREA OVER HERE.
SO IT'LL BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE BIG LAWN THAT IN THE BACK BEFORE YOU GET TO THE POND IS WHAT YOU'RE, UH, RIGHT.
IT WOULD, IT EITHER, DEPENDING UPON EXACTLY WHERE THE DOWN SOUTH AND WHICH CORNER OF THE BUILDING THE DOWN SOUTH GOES ON.
WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH THOSE DETAILS YET.
UH, BUT IT WOULD NEED TO BE KIND OF DIRECTED OUT TOWARDS LAWN OR INTO THIS PLANTED AREA.
YOU WANNA OBVIOUSLY DIRECTED AWAY FROM THE HOUSE GIVEN YES, SIR.
UM, OTHER QUESTIONS, TOM, GO AHEAD.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE POND.
IS THIS, DOES IT GET FULL AND OVERFLOW? 'CAUSE I KNOW NEAR ME SOMETIMES, UM, WHEN THERE'S BIG RAINS, WELL, IT COMES INTO MY YARD.
I DON'T HAVE A POND, BUT I DO WHEN IT RAINS A LOT.
IS THERE A DANGER OF THIS, YOU KNOW, OVERFLOWING? I DON'T THINK SO.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ELIZABETH, IF SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IS THAT OVERFLOWED SINCE SHE, IF YOU BETTER SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC AND JUST CHECK THE MIC.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? UM, SO WE DO HAVE AN STATE IDENTIFY YOUR NAME.
UM, I AM A, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT TWO BLUEBERRY HILL IN IRVINGTON.
UM, THE SUBJECT OF, UH, THE MATTER THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.
AND, UM, I CAN SAY THAT I CAN CONFIRM THAT THERE IS AN OUTFLOW AREA OF THE POND.
UM, I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POND FROM THE HOUSE, IT'S TO THE, TO THE RIGHT CORNER, UM, FROM WHERE THE VIEW IS.
SO IF YOU MOVE THEM EXACTLY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE OUTFLOW IS.
DEPENDING ON THE WATER LEVELS AND THE SEASON, THE, OR SORRY, DEPENDING ON THE RAINFALL AND THE SEASON, THE WATER LEVELS IN THE POND DO VARY.
UM, BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN OVERFLOW.
IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER, UH, YOU CAN SEE MORE OF THE SORT OF LIKE THE GRASSY AREA OR THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WATER.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE ONLY MOVED IN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, THE WATER EVENTUALLY FLOWS INTO THE HUDSON, AND THE POND HAS BEEN THERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
AND THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY WAS SORT OF BUILT AROUND THE BEAUTY OF THE POND AND ALL OF THAT.
AND SO, UM, SO I DON'T THINK THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY DANGERS AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
AND FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF THE WATER OVERFLOWING, I WOULD SAY IF IT HASN'T OVERFLOWED THIS YEAR WITH YES, EXACTLY, THEN THAT'S GOOD POINT.
I I THINK, UH, LIZ BROUGHT UP A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TOO.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE POND AND, AND OF COURSE THE POND IS THE FOCUS OF THIS PROJECT, BUT IN REALITY, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE HUSBAND, RIGHT? THIS POND IS IN FACT A DETENTION POND THAT IS PROTECTING THE HUSBAND, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
UH, THAT IS KIND OF NATURALLY, UH, HOW WATER WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BEHAVIOR OF THE WATER IN THIS AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WALTER, I HAVE A, A FEW, UH, ONE IN REGARD TO SILK, UH, FENCING, UH, THAT THE, YOU'LL HAVE SILK FENCING TO PROTECT THE POND.
UH, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, THE, DO YOU, ARE YOU ADDING THE BILLS TO THE SOAP FENCING? BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE ON THE SLOPE AND JUST THE, THOSE REGULARS, SOAP, FENCING, THEY DON'T HOLD UP.
AND I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE YOU COULD, UH, ADD THE BILLS TO THE SOAP FENCING.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, UH, THE WAY THE WATER IS FLOWING FROM THE, THE GUTTERS, UH, I SEE THAT THE CA, THE C AC THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THAT AND LET THEM SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A REASONABLE WAY THAT WATER WILL TRACK.
AND, UH, THE THIRD THING FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION, UH, COULD YOU LIST ALL THE VARIANCES? AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE VARIANCE.
UH, NEXT TO WHAT? I THINK IT GOES DOWN, UM, DOWN TO THREE FEET OR SOMETHING.
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I, I I, AND, UH, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WAY THE CODE REED, THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE STRUCTURE.SO WHEREAS THAT DISTANCE IS ACCEPTABLE FOR A DRIVEWAY, YOU NEED A VARIANCE TO PUT THE STRUCTURE THERE.
THAT'S, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S TRUE.
WELL, YOU NEED, YOU NEED BOTH.
UM, SO YOU DO NEED A SETBACK FOR THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL, SIDE YARD, AND A SEPARATE FOR THE STRUCTURE AND SEPARATE FOR THE STRUCTURE.
BUT, BUT THE S BUT RIGHT NOW THE SEPARATION FOR THE DRIVEWAY IS, IT'S, IT CONFORMS. NO, IT DOESN'T EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
THE EXISTING DOES NOT CONFORM.
IT'S AN EXISTING, OH, I, OKAY.
CAN I SAY THIS? IT'S AWFUL FOR CLOSE.
RIGHT? WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WAS I ASKED, I ASKED STAFF TO DO THIS.
NORMALLY, MOST OF THE TIME THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DOES HIS LETTER.
HE GOES PROPOSED, EXISTING, AND REQUIRED.
WE DIDN'T GET THE EXISTING COLUMN.
SO WE ASKED, WE'RE GOING BACK.
SO BY THE TIME WE'RE MAKING A DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING, OR A RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING, I SHOULD SAY, UNDER DECISION, UM, WE'LL HAVE THE, WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO, I BELIEVE JUST EITHER AARON, YOU CAN DO IT OR THE APPLICANT.
WE DO HAVE THE, THE LIST OF VARIS.
DO YOU NEED ME TO SUBMIT THAT OR, UM, NO, NO, NO.
I JUST WANNA READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
CAN, THERE'S PUBLIC HERE WOULD TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES WORTH DOING.
HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD I CAN READ IT, SHOW IT? YEAH.
IF HE'S AARON'S GET RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, THEN CORRECT YOU IMPRESSION.
SO HERE ARE THE, THE, UH, THIS IS, I BELIEVE THE FORM THE GENTLEMAN WAS REFERRING TO, UH, THE DONOR COMPLIANCE FORM.
UH, SO, UH, TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS.
PRIMARILY WHERE WE ARE IS THE, UH, SETBACKS.
THIS IS ONE, THIS IS THE ONE RIGHT HERE.
THE, UH, SETBACK FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE ONE VARIANCE.
MATT, IF YOU HAVE THE VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO, THAT WOULD BE THE LET ME EXISTING ASSIGN.
I I HAVE IT, UH, UP IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD PREFER, I, I ACTUALLY LEFT IT.
UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KEEP THIS CHART UP, BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW THE EXISTING RIGHT.
AND GO THROUGH THE BOARD ONE BY ONE AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE VARIANCE AS QUICKLY.
THE FIRST BEING THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO THE FRONT YARD PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS 40 FEET REQUIRED.
UH, YOU SEE IT UP THERE? YEAH.
UM, IT'S 25.75 FEET EXISTING, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 21.33.
SO, SO THAT'S ONE, UH, TWO MINIMUM SETBACK FROM PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO SIDE YARD PROPERTY LINE 25 FEET, UH, REQUIRED 35.25 EXISTING AND 3.16 FEET PROPOSED.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF, THAT'S THEY'RE COVERING THE DRIVEWAY.
THEY'RE COVERING THE DRIVEWAY, CORRECT.
THREE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
20 FEET REQUIRED THREE NOW PROBABLY, UH, 8 1 6.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE THREE SOMETHING.
AND THEN, UH, IT'S PROPOSED AS ZERO, I THINK IT'S ZERO NOW, AND ZERO PROPOSED.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT MOVING THE DRIVEWAY.
SO IT, SO THAT'S AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING, CORRECT? RIGHT.
THE EXISTING NON PERFORMANCE ON THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, OUTSIDE STAIRWELL CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET TO PRO, UH, TO SIDE PROPERTY, LINE FIVE FEET REQUIRED.
AND, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING 3.16 FEET AND THERE'S NO EXISTING, SO NO, IT'S NOT AN EXISTING CONDITION.
AND THEN THE DECK BEING CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE FIVE FEET REQUIRED 3.16.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, SO.
ANY IKU? YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS I THOUGHT.
YEAH, NO, I DON'T GO BACK TO YOUR PLAN.
IF YOU COULD EMAIL THAT INTO TO MATT, BRI AND I, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
UH, WHERE IS THE, UM, THE BUFFER LINE? ALMOST THE WHOLE PLACE.
COMPASS IS ALMOST THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
UH, MR. SORELL, CAN YOU JUST SHOW THE EXTENT OF WHERE THE 100 FOOT BUFFER? OH, UH, LET ME, HERE, LET ME GET A BETTER VIEW OF THAT.
I'M GONNA GO TO THIS OVER HERE.
AND THIS IS I THINK A VIEW, UH, EVERYBODY SEE THAT? YEP.
JUST SHOW US WHERE THE LINE IS.
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AND, UH, WHERE'S IT ON? IT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE THING.I THINK IT'S ON THIS DRAWING RIGHT HERE.
IT, IT'S, UM, SO HERE'S THE POND AND THE 100 FOOT BUFFERS ZONE.
YEAH, IT'S THE WHOLE HOUSE IS IN THERE.
SO IT, IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA.
HERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER HERE.
NO, I JUST COULDN'T FIND A CALL OUT ON THERE.
THIS IS THE BUFFER RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
AND THIS IS THE, UH, THE POND IS, YOU KNOW, DRIVE POND.
SO THE NEW SECTION OF DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE FRONTAGE WOULD NOT BE IN THE BUFFER.
THIS DRIVEWAY, UH, THIS NEW DRIVEWAY IN HERE IS JUST OUTSIDE THE BLOCK.
AND WHAT IS THAT PATHWAY GOING TO THE POND? IT IS IN THE WETLAND.
I MEAN, IT'S IN ACTUALLY WATERCOURSE, UH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THE ENTIRE QUESTION.
WHAT THE, THE POND THAT IS A WALKWAY GOING INTO THE POND WITH THE, IN SOME OF IT.
OH, I THINK THAT'S LIKE SLATE OR, OH, THE WALKWAY TO THE POND.
I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING RIGHT HERE THAT'S EXISTING OR YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT ON GOOGLE EARTH.
SHOW THEIR SKETCH THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY.
NO, THIS IS JUST, I I THINK IT'S JUST A PLATE MATERIAL.
SO ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOWS FROM A STAIRWELL STRAIGHT THROUGH THE REAR YARD AND OUT TOWARDS THE, UH, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE SLIGHTLY MODIFIED IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, BECAUSE IN YOUR RENDERING IT DOESN'T SHOW, IT'S NOT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IT, IT, IT IS, IT, IT, IT ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE BIT.
COULDN'T SEE IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE COLOR PLAN.
IT DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT ACROSS.
IT KIND OF MEANDERS A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU GO BACK, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S AN IDEA TO KIND OF IMPROVE THAT AND DO SOME PHASE, CALL IT LANDSCAPING HERE, TO TRY TO WORK IN THE SITE AT THIS DECK IS GONNA DISCHARGE THE STAIRS ON THE DECK AND DISCHARGE TO A PATH THAT WAS ALLOWED TO THE DOCK.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THE ULTIMATE PLAN.
SO THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S ACCOUNTED FOR.
AND WHAT'S, WHERE, WHERE IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN? NOT THE RENDERING, BUT THE, WELL, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THIS, THIS MASTER PLAN FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, WE HAVEN'T PUT TOGETHER, I CALL IT AN ENGINEERING OR CONSTRUCTION DRAWING LANDSCAPING PLAN YET, ACTUALLY.
BUT YOU OVER REPLACEMENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLACEMENTS, RIGHT? AND THAT KIND OF THING.
WELL, THE REPLACEMENTS, WE DO HAVE THOSE SHOWN ON, ON THE SITE PLAN DOWN HERE.
UH, THIS WAS JUST PRELIMINARILY, WE, UH, PUT SOME TREES ALONG HERE.
UM, OH, COULD YOU SHOW US WHAT YOU TOOK OUT? FIRST OF ALL, SHOW US THE TREES YOU TOOK OUT ARE TAKING OUT THESE THREE XS RIGHT HERE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE GOING OUT.
AND WHAT ARE YOU REPLACING IT WITH AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER LANDSCAPING TEMPERAS? SO THESE THREE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THERE, OUR, OUR INITIAL PLAN WAS TO PUT, YOU KNOW, THIS GROUPING OF TREES DOWN HERE, UH, ALONG THE ROAD.
A AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY FINALIZED THE LOCATION OF THOSE TREES YET.
WE DID GET A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT INVOLVED WHO HAD SOME GOOD, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, SOME BETTER IDEAS THAN WHAT I HAD AS AN ENGINEER OF WHERE TO PUT THE TREES.
AND, UH, THIS IS KIND OF BEEN KEEPING MORE BY WHAT THE CIC WAS SAYING TOO, TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME OF THE GOING IN THE VEGETATED AREA BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE POND.
SO WE ARE STILL WORKING TOGETHER.
I MEAN, THIS IS OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, THE SITE PLAN WE SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA CALL IT A COMPLETELY FINAL SITE PLAN YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TOGETHER OUR, ALL OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY COORDINATED WITH THE ADDITIONAL PLAN YET.
SO WITH THE CA WHEN YOU PLAN TO, WHEN WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, SORRY, AGAIN, AGAIN, SORRY ABOUT HAVING TO GET, I THINK OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT MIGHT BE ON THE CALL.
SHE HAD SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO JOIN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE NEEDS TO BE ADMITTED.
I'M SURE SHE'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE INPUT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT TO ANY OF THIS.
NO WORRIES IF YOU DON'T, BUT YEAH, LET, LET ME JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT TO THIS.
UM, ACTUALLY, UM, MATT, CAN YOU PUT UP THE COLORED RENDERING AGAIN? SURE.
AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF THE COLOR RENDERING.
IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, UM, I GUESS THAT THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
SO WHAT, WHAT THIS IS, IS, IS THIS INITIAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT, UM, WAS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SIDING AND PROVIDING THIS SORT OF LONG-TERM
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CONCEPT OF WHERE WE SEE THE PROPERTY GOING FOR THIS SPECIFIC, UM, APPROVALS PROCESS.UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THE, UM, REPLACE OR MITIGATE FOR REMOVING SOME OF THE MATURE TREES, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING A MASTER, UH, PROPOSED MITIGATION PLAN TO COMPENSATE FOR, FOR THAT IN THE SHORT TERM.
SO THAT IS GONNA BE GOING ALONG IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVALS.
UM, WE DON'T EXPECT ALL OF THIS PLANTING IS GONNA GO ON IN, IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
SO WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN, PUT THAT TOGETHER AS A, AS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, THAT GOES ALONG WITH YOUR, THE ARCHITECTURE PLANS.
YOU KNOW, THIS I THINK IS THE INITIAL PRESENTATION IN ORDER TO GET, UM, TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, VARIANCES, IF I'M CORRECT.
UH, ONE QUESTION IS, WOULD, WOULD YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE PREPARED FOR THE PLANNING BOARD'S NEXT MEETING WHERE IT TAKES THIS UP? POSSIBLY IN TWO WEEKS? YES.
I CAN FOR THE NEXT MEETING, STAFF WANNA BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE AND, AND INDICATE TO THE BOARD THAT, UH, THERE IS DEMONSTRATED COMPLIANCE.
UM, ALSO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO TECHNICAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THERE'S THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE WATER, THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, AND OBVIOUSLY THE ZONING VARIANCES.
SO, AND, AND THE TREE REMOVAL.
SO WE DO NEED THAT AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING, AND WE'LL COORDINATE WITH YOUR OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING WALTER.
YEAH, I, I THINK THAT CLARIFIED MY POINT IS THAT, UH, LOOKING AT THE PLANS OF A VERY IMPRESSIVE PLAN, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS COMPLIANT AND WHAT WAS NOT.
I MEAN, WHAT WE NEED TO, I THINK AS, AS AARON INDICATE WHAT WE NEED TO SEE IS A COMPLIANT PLAN AND WHAT EXTRA LANDSCAPING YOU DO AFTER THAT.
BUT THE BASIC PLAN MUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE PLANTING BOARD.
AND, AND WE'LL BE PROVIDING A LIST OF, OF TREES AT SHRUBS WITH THE ALL THE APPROPRIATE NAMES, COMMON AND BOTANICAL NAMES LIKE YOU SEE IN OTHER APPLICATIONS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY COMPLIANT WITH THE TREE REMOVAL LAW, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO INFILTRATION, THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE GONNA MITIGATE THE WATER RUNOFF ARE GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR US IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS.
UM, SO IT'S NOT, MAYBE NOT THE TREES, MAYBE IT'S RIGHT.
UH, THE PLANTINGS YOU HAVE ALONG THE SHORE OR WHATEVER, THE WILLOW TREES, BUT THOSE IN PARTICULAR WE WANNA MAKE SURE ARE GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF EXTRA IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND NOTHING TO MITIGATE IT.
SO YOU'RE NOT JUST ADDRESSING THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND THE WETLAND WATER COURSES.
TOM POINTS OUT WE DO, ARE SENSITIVE TO WHAT THAT LANDSCAPING'S GOING TO BE.
I, WE THINK YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE.
BUT WE NEED THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE VARIANCES.
DO WE HAVE TO DECLARE OUR HOPEFUL LEAD AGENCY OR THE TYPE TWO? YEAH.
DO WE NEED NEED TO DO AT LEAST THAT TONIGHT? UM, YOU CAN DO IT, DO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL DECLARE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
ANY OTHER QUESTION, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, THE BOARD WILL ANTICIPATE TAKING THIS UP AT ITS NEXT MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO, WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT LANDSCAPE PLANNED BY THE EIGHTH.
SO, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AT, AT THE 15TH WITH THE, WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION AFTER THAT MEETING TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND YOUR ZONING BOARD MEETING IS SOMETIME PROBABLY MID-DECEMBER, I WOULD THINK.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MEETINGS BEFORE THEN, BUT, BUT UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS OFF THE DOCKET AT THE NEXT MEETING AS LONG AS WE GET THIS STUFF IN ON TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THE ONLY ACTION ITEM COMING OUT OF US IS TO SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 8TH WITH THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS INCLUDING THE MITIGATION PLANTINGS FOR THE RUNOFF, YOUR PROTECTION ORDINANCE AND THE MITIGATION PLAN IT.
ALSO, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THAT.
ONE INITIAL THING IS POSSIBLY COORDINATING WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER REGARDING THE SLOPING OF THE WATER TOWARDS THOSE FEATURES.
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RIGHT ON TIME.I THINK WE'LL DO AT LEAST ONE MORE BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK.
YEAH, I THINK MAYBE WE TAKE A BREAK BEFORE CHICK-FIL-A.
UM, WE'RE DOING WELL, WE'RE ABOUT 15 MINUTES AHEAD.
CASE 23, 21 0 1 REALTY, LLC 24 TERRYTOWN ROAD, PO BOX WHITE PLAINS.
IT'S FOR PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR OUR RESTAURANT.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE'VE HAD THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN FRONT OF US TWO, THREE TIMES, I THINK OVER THE YEARS FOR VARIOUS THINGS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW IT'S VACANT, WHICH WE, WE DON'T LIKE TO SEE IS A TOWN.
UM, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS TO FILL IT.
UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE AND IT'S APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT ONLY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT, IT'S ALSO FOR LIFTING A RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH, WHICH LIMITED THE DRIVE-THROUGH AT THE TIME TO, UH, THINGS THAT WERE READY TO GO.
BASICALLY PACKAGED, PACKAGED PRODUCTS RATHER THAN THINGS THAT WERE MADE TO ORDER AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH YOU RECALL, BUT IT'S ALSO A RESTRICTION ON IT BEING A RESTAURANT VERSUS RIGHT AS A DELI PIZZERIA, RIGHT.
IT WAS A DELI PIZZER OR A BAKERY, I THINK.
OR ICE CREAM SHOP OR ICE CREAM OR AN ICE CREAM STAND.
SO THEY HAVE MORE, UM, FLEXIBILITY IN ATTRACTING A, UH, NEW RENTER.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LET YOU GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MY NAME IS ERNIE TAR TAG LEON.
I AM ONE OF THE OWNERS OF 24 TARRYTOWN ROAD.
UM, LIKE THE CHAIRMAN SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE SEEKING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT.
UM, WE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE FOR, UH, SEVEN PARKING SPACES.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU NEED, UH, 28 SPACES FOR THIS LOCATION AND WE ONLY HAVE 21.
UM, AND I HAVE DOES THAT, I GOT A FLOOR PLAN HERE NOW.
I HAVE IT IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S MAKING ME QUIT THIS THING AND REOPEN HERE.
IS IT JUST THAT FLOOR PLAN WITH THE CHAIRS? YEAH, IT'S THE TABLES.
I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT UP HERE IN TWO SECONDS.
THE FLOOR PLAN WITH THE CHAIR AND THEN, AND THEN I HAD THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PARKING QUEUE AND ALL THAT STUFF AS WELL.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN HERE.
OBVIOUSLY, UM, THESE SEATS, THESE TABLES AND CHAIRS WILL BE CONFIGURED WITH TWO, THREE OR FOUR UH, SEATS AT EACH TABLE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACE IN HERE, UH, FOR THE, THE TABLES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE? DO YOU WANNA KEEP IT AS A DRIVE THROUGH? YEAH, THE DRIVE THROUGH WOULD REMAIN.
AND WOULD THAT BE FOR THINGS ORDERED IN ADVANCE OR YOU WOULD COME UP TO A MENU BOARD AND ORDER SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE PREPARED ON SUNDAY? EXACTLY.
IT WOULD BE EITHER PICKUP ORDERS OR, YOU KNOW, SELECT, UH, MENU, MENU BOARDED THE DRIVE THROUGH.
LIKE WHEN WE HAD NESTOS, I OPERATED NESTOS AND WE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS AT THE DRIVE THROUGH MENU THAT YOU, YOU, YOU COULDN'T GET, UH, THAT YOU COULD ONLY GET IT THE DRIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SLICE OF PIZZA BAGEL, UH, PRE-MADE SANDWICHES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, SO, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS EVER AN ISSUE AS FAR AS QUEUING, WE WOULD TELL PEOPLE, YOUR ORDER'S NOT READY, JUST PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT OUT TO YOU WHEN IT'S READY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES AS A, THERE IS A CONCERN, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.
YOU WERE OWNER OPERATORS? YES.
YOU'RE LOOKING TO LEASE AS TO I HAVE NO IDEA WHO, THAT'S A QUESTION BECAUSE FRANKLY WHO YOU LEASE IT TO HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON, ON THIS PROJECT FOR US.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A HIGH VOLUME PLACE, IT'S ONE THING.
IF IT'S A KIND OF A LOW VOLUME PLACE, IT'S ANOTHER THING.
AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THAT, WHICH SOMETHING, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET COOPERATION A LOT OF TIMES AND I UNDERSTAND WHY NOT FROM YOU GUYS, NOT FROM YOU GUYS, BUT FROM OTHER, OTHER DEVELOPERS OR, OR LANDOWNERS.
I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE PE PEOPLE LIKE TO KEEP THINGS SECRET UNTIL, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND THIS IS A PARTIC IN THIS PARTICULAR SPACE IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT
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FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THIS, UM, WITHOUT HAVING AN IDEA OF WHO MAY BE GOING IN THERE OR AT LEAST THE TYPE OF OPERATION.UM, I I I WILL SAY TWO THINGS TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I WAS THERE FOR SIX YEARS WITH THE BUSINESS AND I'M 99.9% SURE.
WE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE AS FAR AS ANY COMPLAINTS WITH TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A STIPULATION WITH, WITH THE BOARD WHEN WE HAD TO DRIVE THROUGH, WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC.
AND, AND ANOTHER THING TOO IS ANYBODY WHO'S GONNA RENT THE PLACE, THEY DON'T WANT LINES QUEUING UP OUTSIDE.
UM, THE SAME WAY THAT YOU GUYS DON'T, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO WAIT EXTRA TIME AT A DRIVE-THROUGH 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK AGAIN IF, IF THEY'RE SITTING ON A LINE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC AND IT'S NOT QUICK DRIVE THROUGH IS SUPPOSED TO BE QUICK.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO KEEP IT MOVING AND, AND KEEP IT FROM QUEUING UP IF YOU LEAN ON OKAY.
ISN'T, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING IN THE TOWN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS WITHIN 2000 FEET OF EACH OTHER? YES.
IT'S TWO FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, NOT TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS.
IF, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY PUT IN THERE, OKAY.
IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A FAST FOOD.
IN FACT, IT'S SOMETHING GARRETT, AARON AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK I SENT TO EVERYBODY.
I HAD THE COPY OF THE ARTICLE IN QSR MAGAZINE, WHICH IS THE, THE, IS THE, THE TRADE MAG
BUT MY MY POINT IS THIS, I MEAN, IF, IF CHICK-FIL-A IS A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AND THIS IS DETERMINED TO BE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, COULD COULD DO IT, IS THIS GONNA BE A RACE TO SEE WHO GETS APPROVED FIRST? WELL, AMANDA, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, TO THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THAT A SURE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU'RE APPLYING FOR A RESTAURANT CORRECT APPLICATION.
UM, SO AS A PLANNING BOARD, WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE AS IT IS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND, AND HOW RESTAURANT'S DEFINED IT.
HOW A RESTAURANT, HOW FAST FOOD QUICK SERVICE IS DEFINED, AND THEN HOW THE BUILDING APARTMENT INTERPRETS IT.
SO I, I DID WANNA MAKE ONE, UH, DISTINCTION FAST FOOD, WHICH FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHICH THEY ARE NOT APPLYING FOR ACTUALLY PARKS AT A DIFFERENT RATIO AND A STANDARD RESTAURANT.
SO HE'S, THEY'RE SEEKING TO GET PERMISSION TO HAVE A STANDARD RESTAURANT STYLE RESTAURANT INSTALLED WHICH PARKS AT ONE PER 75.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR ALLOT IN BOLD CHART IDENTIFIES FOR THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
ONE SPACE PER 75 SQUARE FEET, WHICH GETS YOU TO THE 28 REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE SEEKING RELIEF FROM.
SO I WANTED TO DISTINGUISH FAST FOOD PARKS AT ONE PER 35.
IS IT A RESTAURANT WITH TAKEOUT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT? AS OPPOSED TO A RESTAURANT? CORRECT.
WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN I WOULD SAY, LIKE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, NO, THE PART, LET, LET ME FIRST, LEMME CLARIFY SOMETHING TO YOUR POINT, AMANDA, THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF THEY DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE A RESTRICTION IN PLACE FOR THAT DRIVE-THROUGH, BUT THEY DO.
BUT CURRENTLY IT'S BEING USED AS INCIDENTAL DINING.
NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DINING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE-THRU.
RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING, AND WE'LL BE RE IT WON'T BE OUR FINAL DECISION, IT'LL BE THE ZONING BOARDS, BUT WE HAVE INPUT IS WHETHER OR NOT TO LIFT THE RESTRICTION THAT'S ON THE DRIVE THROUGH NOW.
SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, NOT TO, WE HAVE A LOT MORE SAY AND WHAT GOES THERE NOW AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHETHER WE, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE, THE RESTRICTION GETS LIFTED.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GET INTO THE RESTRICTION FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH A LITTLE BIT? DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN IT? IT'S, BUT THAT WAS AZBA RESTRICTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT WAS, BUT IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY US.
IF YOU, I I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE RATIONALE FOR THAT, MICHAEL.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S THE PRE-PREPARED FOOD WAS WHAT THE VERBIAGE, BUT WHAT HAPPENED PREPARED IN ADVANCE? LEMME EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED BE, IN FACT, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE STILL BEEN ON THE BOARD.
WALTER AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE PREVIOUSLY PREPARED SINCE, UH, THEY SO, SO SOLD BRO TO SO BERGS THERE WITH, UH, FRED.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN INTEREST AT ONE TIME, I THINK OF PUTTING, UH, A CHI CHICKEN INTO YOUR, INTO YOUR DELI.
A WHAT? CHICKEN? LIKE FRIED CHICKEN OR A ROASTED ROTISSERIE CHICKEN.
ONE SAID THEY WANNA PUT A CHICKEN IN THE DELI.
OKAY, CAN WE FOCUS PLEASE ROASTED CHICKEN IN THERE.
THEN IT TURNED INTO, WELL I WANNA PUT A DRIVE THROUGH AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED 'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF DRIVE THROUGH SPACES IS I THINK 6 6 6 6.
THAT IS VERY, VERY LOW FOR A DRIVE THROUGH.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT I MEAN.
JUST READ Q SSR QSR MAGAZINE AS TO WHAT THE AVERAGE QUEUING IS FOR DRIVE.
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NOT JUST, NOT JUST OUR FRIENDS IN THE BACK THERE EITHER AND ANY OF THESE DRIVE-THROUGHS.WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WHICH IS WHY WE BEFORE WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD, SUGGESTED THAT WE LIMIT THE MENU ITEMS. THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT BEFORE IT EVER WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND THE ZONING BOARD CODIFIED THAT IN THE VARIANCE.
NOW SINCE YOU DID THAT, YOU'VE ADDED SOME SPACES.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE THOSE SPACES IN FRONT.
THOSE ARE ADDED AFTER THE FACT.
'CAUSE WE ORIGINALLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY OF GETTING AROUND IT.
THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES WITH IT, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN IT WAS, BUT STILL WE ONLY HAVE SIX QUEUING SPACES.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ONE THING WHEN IT'S AN OWNER OPERATOR AND YOU'RE THERE, OR, OR, OR YOUR DAD WAS THERE, WHATEVER.
IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE LEASING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND YOU BECOME AN ABSENTEE OWNER OF BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THAT.
I'M JUST EXPRESSING MY CONCERN WITH THAT.
THAT'S A HISTORY OF IT, MICHAEL.
SOME THINGS WE, WE KNOW WE COULD TELL WHOEVER THE DO YOU LIEUTENANT WOULD BE IS, YOU KNOW, IF MAKE THEM AWARE OF THIS THAT THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT QUEUE MOVING AND IT CAN'T BACK UP, UM, YOU KNOW, INTO THE STREET OR CAUSE ANY TRAFFIC AT THAT CORNER, IT'S IN HERE SO I CAN READ THE, UH, CONDITION OF THE ZBA DECISION.
YOU WANNA C CLAP? SO WITHIN THE FINDING SECTION ON PAGE THREE OF THE DECISION STATES THAT GRANTING THE REQUESTED VARIANCE WILL NOT RESULT IN AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES PROVIDED THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE FULLY COMPLIED WITH BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH IS PRIMARILY ON TRAFFIC AT, ON THE ACCESS ROAD.
THE RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED UPON THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE PREVIOUS DELICATESSEN USE, WHICH RESTRICTIONS WILL REMAIN AND BE EXTENDED TO ANY OTHER FOOD RELATED USE OF THE SITE OTHER THAN RESTAURANT FAST OR QUICK SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS BY VIRTUE OF THIS DECISION, APPARENTLY ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE AS NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE DELICATESSEN DURING ITS YEARS OF OPERATION.
WERE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD AND WE SEE NO LIKELIHOOD THAT THE SAME RESTRICTIONS WOULD NOT BE AS EFFICACIOUS IF THEY'RE APPLIED TO ANOTHER FOOD RELATED USE.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT THOUGH, AND, AND MATT SENT ME, UM, A NOTE, WAS THAT THE APPLICANT HERE IS NOT SEEKING TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH BEING PREPARED FOODS.
AT LEAST THEY HAVEN'T INDICATED THAT TO US.
RATHER THEY'RE SEEKING, AND I I HAVE IT IN WRITING HERE, RELEASE FROM THE, THEY'RE SEEKING RELIEF FROM A PORTION OF THE CONDITION AS IT RELATES TO THE RESTRICTION OF THE USE TO A DELI, PIZZERIA, BAKERY OR ICE CREAM STAND TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT, RESTAURANT USE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY'D STILL BE LIMITED TO PRE-PREPARED FOODS AT THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW.
BASED ON, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESTAURANT AND A DELI? I I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THESE.
THEY'RE TREATED DIFFERENTLY UNDER THE CODE.
YEAH, THAT, I MEAN THAT'S IF YOU WANNA GET INTO, I MEAN, CAN DELI BE A RESTAURANT ONE AT A TIME? I DON'T GET IT.
IN FACT, WE NEED, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH THIS ONE IS THE FACT, AND GARRETT, AARON, AND I HAVE BEEN, AND TOM HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH AMANDA AS WELL, IS THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR, OUR DEFINITIONS CLEARLY AS TO, TO WHAT THINGS ARE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I SENT OVER
UM, LESLIE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, COR AND WALTER CAN, CAN I ANSWER NOT MICHAEL'S QUESTION QUICKLY? WE OKAY, SURE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MICHAEL, YES.
IF A DELI SOUGHT TO HAVE MORE THAN EIGHT SEATS, IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED UNDER A RESTAURANT.
I'M NOT ASKING ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT, SORRY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU PUT THAT IN WRITING DELIS OR RESTAURANTS, LESLIE.
AND SO IT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION REGARDING A RESTAURANT THAT HAS TAKEOUT, RIGHT? AND A FOOD EATING PLACE THAT HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH.
SO LET'S SAY A MA UH, MCDONALD'S ASKED COMPARED TO SOMETHING LIKE THE CABIN, RIGHT? SO I CALL THEM, I SAY, I WANT TO PICK UP THIS FOOD.
THEY DON'T BRING IT OUT TO THE CAR 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT PEOPLE DO GO AND THEY BRING THEIR CARS.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE
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ONCE A QSR, FIRST OF ALL, MCDONALD'S IS AQSR, QUICK SERVE, QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT UNDER, UNDER OUR, OUR THING.THE OTHER THING, PANERA IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
PANERA, YOU CAN ORDER ON THE APP, RIGHT? OKAY.
BUT PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ORDER ON THE APP, THERE WERE SPACES IN FRONT IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE THEM, BUT THERE WERE SPACES FOR PICKUP IN FRONT.
THERE'S NO DELIVERY AT MEANING BECAUSE THE FOOD IS ALREADY BEING PREPARED.
SO THAT SLOWS DOWN ANY TYPE OF QUEUING IF THERE WERE, HERE'S THE PRO, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
AND LET, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH OUR, OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE KIND OF EXPERTS IN DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE BACK THERE.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE LANES, ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE AN EXPRESS LANE FOR PRE-ORDERED FOOD, RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T DO IT IN A DRIVE-THROUGH EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE PERSON WITH A PRE-ORDERED FOOD AND ONE PERSON WHO JUST, WHO, WHO ONE PERSON WHO JUST ORDERED.
WHAT WE WOULD DO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD PEOPLE ONLINE, WE WOULD TELL THEM, LET'S SAY IF THEY WERE ORDERED A SLICE OF PIZZA, YOU GOTTA WARM IT UP FOR TWO MINUTES ROUGHLY.
AND SOMEBODY WAS BEHIND 'EM PICKING UP AN ORDER.
IF THERE WAS ONLY THOSE TWO CARS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, WE WOULD EITHER TELL 'EM, HEY, DRIVE AROUND AGAIN BECAUSE SOMEONE BEHIND YOU IS PICKING UP OR GO OUT TO THE PARKING LOT AND WE'LL BRING YOUR PIZZA OUT.
WHATEVER YOU'RE ORDERING OUT TO YOU WHEN IT'S READY.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I WANTED TO RESPOND TO TOO? OH YEAH.
I, AMANDA, UH, WALTER, YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT THEN AMANDA, OKAY.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? WELL, SHE'S RESPONDING TO ME.
SO, TO RESPOND TO LESLIE'S QUESTIONS, THIS ISN'T A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, BUT GO AHEAD,
NO, BUT, UM, SO I HAVE MY TIME.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION OF THE DEFINITION OF FAST FOOD AND QUICK SERVICE.
AS WE SAW IN SOME OF THE ARTICLES HE HAD SENT.
QUICK SERVICE CAN INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD.
LIKE YOU WOULD THINK LIKE, UH, BIG, BIG CHAINS LIKE MCDONALD'S OR, OR, UM, OR, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES FASHION CASUAL, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT PANERA, WHERE PEOPLE COME IN OR THEY PARK THEIR CAR AND THEY PICK THINGS UP AND THEY RUN IN AND OUT.
UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT OUR CODE SAYS, IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, HOW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS INTERPRETED IT.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY IS THAT, UM, AT LEAST HERE IS THAT HIGH VOLUME DRIVE THROUGH ESTABLISHMENTS HAVE BEEN TYPICALLY TREATED AS THAT FAST FOOD QUICK SERVICE CATEGORY, WHICH IS COMBINED UNDER OUR CODE.
WHICH DOESN'T REALLY, I THINK DEFINITELY AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D PROBABLY BE BEST TO CLARIFY AND KIND OF GET UP TO DATE WITH THE TIMES EXACTLY CHANGES.
UM, BUT ALSO, UM, ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN TREATED AS A RESTAURANT TYPE USE.
LIKE SMASH BURGER'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
OUR CODES IS UNCLEAR AS TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE CATEGORY FOR THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT IF WE SAY THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH CAN ONLY BE USED FOR PICKUP? SO IT'LL BE LIKE, UH, PANERAS OR YOU, YOU COME, YOU PICK UP NAP PRE PRE-ORDERED.
YOU PRE-ORDER AND YOU USE THE DRIVE THROUGH JUST THE PICKUP AND THEN THE REST OF THE, UH, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT.
YOU KNOW, UH, I'M SEEING HOW OUR CODE IS UNCLEAR.
I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
I MEAN, LET ME JUST GIVE YOU WHAT THE NOW CLASSICAL DEFINITION OF AQSR IS.
AQSR IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T EAT INSIDE.
AND USE SOME OTHER OTHER MEANS OF EITHER PICKUP OR, UM, OUR DRIVE THROUGH.
WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE SOMEONE LIKE PANERA BREAD WHERE PEOPLE, IT'S ABOUT 50 50 PROBABLY.
BUT ALSO I CAN TELL YOU WITHIN THE CHAIN, TAKE CHICK-FIL-A FOR EXAMPLE, CHICK-FIL-A AT MIDWAY IS VERY DIFFERENT OPERATION THAN THE CHICK-FIL-A THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO WE REALLY DO NEED TO RESEARCH THIS, I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
AND I KNOW I ALSO HAVE, AND JOHN, JOHN, I THINK YOU'RE ON RIGHT? JOHN CAMMING.
JOHN HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO, 'CAUSE THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO GO INTO WAS, I WANTED TO LOOK INTO STANDARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THE STANDARDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THESE THINGS.
JOHN, HAVE YOU FOUND ANYTHING YET ON, ON THIS? UH, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING DEFINITIVE YET.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT DEPENDS ON THE USE AND THE SIZE.
UM, AND, UH, SO, AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, A QUALITY RESTAURANT AS WE KNOW IT, RIGHT.
IF IT'S, IF YOU HAVE A QUALITY RESTAURANT
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THAT'S TWICE THE SIZE OF, UH, ONE IS TWICE THE SIZE AS THE OTHER, IT COULD GENERATE TWICE AS MUCH TRAFFIC AND TWICE AS MUCH PARKING.THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE FOR A, UH, RESTAURANT WITH A DINE UP WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH YOU CAN PROCESS THROUGH YOUR, YOUR DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT IT'S STILL, TO SOME EXTENT, DOES HOLD TRUE BECAUSE THE AREA OF THE BUILDING, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH ROOM FOR, FOR THE PREPARATION OF FOOD.
A LOT OF IT ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN PREPARE THE FOOD.
I'M STILL WORKING ON IT AND I WILL GET BACK TO YOU.
I DID, DID WANNA MENTION THAT HE WAS WORKING ON IT.
MR. SIMON HERE GAVE YOU AN IDEA.
HOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, UH, WITHIN THE, YOUR, THE CANDIDATES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? FOR THE, FOR THIS, I MEAN, WELL, TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PIZZERIA, PIZZERIA WE HAD, IF WE ONLY HAD IT TO PICK UP ORDERS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE PIZZA.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE PRE-MADE SANDWICHES OR SALADS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, LET'S SAY WE HAD TUNA SALAD THAT'S IN A CASE READY TO GO.
YOU SLAP IT ON A SANDWICH AND ON BREAD AND IT'S READY IN 30 SECONDS.
SO ALL OF THAT STUFF WOULD BE ELIMINATED WITH THAT RESTRICTION TO PICK UP ONLY.
WELL, EXCEPT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THE PIZZERIA I THINK IS OKAY UNDER THE CURRENT, OH, SO THE CURRENT LAW, I, I THOUGHT HE SAID HAVE A RESTRICTION AS FAR AS USING THE DRIVE THROUGH ONLY SPECIFICALLY FOR PICKUP.
WELL, THAT WAS, THAT WAS SUGGESTED.
SUGGESTED TO GET AROUND THE FACT THAT OUR, OUR CODE IS NOT CLEAR.
AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU GET CAUGHT UP IN THE NOMADS LAND BECAUSE WE CAN'T CLARIFY THE CODE.
WHETHER OR NOT IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE A VIABLE BUSINESS? I, I, I HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKE GOING IN REVERSE FROM WHAT WE HAD THERE AS FAR AS JUST TO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO DO PRE-MADE FOODS, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T CALL AHEAD AND PICK IT UP.
THEY WOULD COME TO THE, THE MENU BOARD AND SAY, HEY, LET ME GET A SLICE OF PIZZA, ORDER OF GARLIC KNOTS AND A SODA.
AND THAT'S READY IN, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE MINUTES.
I'M SAY THAT IN ADDITION TO BE NOW A RESTAURANT, I'M NOT SAYING JUST DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO CONVERT YOUR FACILITY TO THE QUOTE A RESTAURANT WITH A CALL IN ORDER, UH, SO PEOPLE JUST PICK UP BECAUSE MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS ALL AROUND YOU COULD CALL UP AND COME AND PICK UP AND THEY HAVE TAKEOUT.
SO WHETHER OR NOT A A, A MODEL LIKE THAT IS FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR YOUR BUSINESS? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
I THINK I WANNA MODIFY THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM COVID AND, AND PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GO INTO RESTAURANTS.
SO I DO SEE SOME PLACES THAT HAVE A SEPARATE MORE EXPRESS FOR THOSE WHO'VE ORDERED OR FOR THE UBER DRIVERS THAT COME IN.
SO THAT JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN SIT CONSIDER.
IT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE AN ENTIRE DRIVEWAY, LIKE A CURBSIDE PICKUP TYPE THING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THESE ARE FOR THE PRE-ORDER THINGS.
UM, I JUST NOTICED THAT JUST GOING AROUND THAT THAT'S A SEPARATE LANE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S DRIVING UP TO THE WINDOW.
'CAUSE THEY JUST DECIDED THEY WANTED TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT.
UH, AS FAR AS DRIVING UP TO THE WINDOW, I DON'T THINK IT, THE SITE WOULD ALLOW IT TO HAVE LIKE TWO SEPARATE LANES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU NEED A LANE TO, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING TO DRIVE AROUND THE QUEUE.
SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? LIKE, HAVE TWO SET, LIKE AN EXPRESS OR, OR PICK UP WINDOW FOR ORDERS.
IT'S JUST, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL.
AND TO HUGH'S POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN HAVE SOME DATA, IF IT NEEDS TO BE BLIND, CAN WE DO THAT? WELL YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL FOR LIKE CURBSIDE.
SO THIS ONE DOWN CENTRAL KNOW UBER DRIVERS COMING TO PICK UP ORDERS.
THEY COULD BRING IT OUT TO THAT VEHICLE THAT'S PARKED IN A DEDICATED SPACE.
PANERA, YOU CAN EITHER GO IN OR YOU COULD GET ON THE APP AND SEND THE, TELL YOU TELL YOU WHERE THE CAR IS AND THEY'LL COME OUT TO THE CAR.
SO UBER DRIVERS WILL GO INSIDE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT ANYWAY TO THE PARKING LOT AND THEN GO IN AND THEY NORMALLY HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE FOR UBER DRIVERS TO PICK UP TOO.
YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF THEM DO IT.
JUST SO FOR CLARITY, THIS IS JUST INFORMATIONAL, RIGHT? THIS IS INCIDENTAL DINING.
IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE APPLYING AS A RESTAURANT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION OF THE SEATING.
ONE IS THE INCIDENT EXPANDING THE DINING'S ONE ISSUE AND, AND WITH TO GET THE SEATING THAT THEY WANT TO AVOID.
IT AFFECTS THE PARKING BECAUSE THEY'RE TECHNICALLY, I WANNA SAY TECHNICALLY SEVEN SHORT.
BUT IF YOU TAKE OUT THE DRIVE THROUGH WHERE I DON'T THINK YOU COULD ACTUALLY PARK
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SIX CARS IF THERE WAS NO DRIVE THROUGH THERE.PROBABLY A FEW MORE SHORT THAN THAN SEVEN.
THE SECOND THING IS THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THE TWO, TWO ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
WHAT THIS SHOWS IS INTERESTING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, WHICH I'LL BET YOU IF YOU DID IT AGAIN, WOULDN'T HAPPEN IS EVERY ONE OF THESE THAT IS CONSIDERED QSR IN HERE IS A DRIVE-THROUGH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STARBUCKS.
AND IF ANYBODY'S EVER GONNA BUY THAT STARBUCKS IN CENTRAL AVENUE ON A SATURDAY, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEEN A FAST FOOD FOOD RESTAURANT.
I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD, WOULD MADE THAT SAME DECISION.
I THINK YOUR THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO IT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO I THINK, UH, AND, AND WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AND UH, WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT WE KIND OF APPROVED AT THAT TIME WAS PRIMARILY THE CHANGING, UH, BUSINESS MODEL AND, AND, AND THE NEED FOR THESE DRIVEWAYS DRIVE THROUGH TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING AS WELL AS THE OPERATION OF YOUR, UH, ESTABLISHMENT.
SO NOW, UH, AND IT WAS KIND OF MOSTLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE LOCAL BUSINESSES TO STAY THERE.
AND, AND I THINK WE WERE VERY HAPPY APPROVE THAT TIME.
SO NOW WHAT, WHAT'S A KIND OF, WE ARE TRYING TO STRUGGLE AND I SEE ONE OTHER WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE HAD A QUITE A, UH, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE GOING TO THIS PLACE AND HOW DOES IT WORK? AND WE SAY, FINE, WE GAVE, BUT NOW YOU'RE ASKING SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT PUT OUR HAND AROUND WHAT IS GOING TO BE, AND YOU ARE ASKING US TO THIS CHANGE.
SO I THINK IT'LL BE A LOT MORE EASIER FOR IT TO DO WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WOULD BE, WOULD BE TO KIND OF SEE, YEAH, THIS IS, WE YOU TO STAY IN THE HERE AND, UH, TELL US SOMETHING MORE SO WE CAN SORT OF, UH, HELP YOU OUT.
I, THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK THE BASIC PROBLEM.
YOU HAVE TO COME, COME TO THE, TO THE MIC PLEASE.
I THINK THEY WANT TO GET APPROVAL SO THEY CAN THEN OFFER THE SITE TO PEOPLE.
I THINK LAST TIME WE DID SAME THING.
WE, UH, BASICALLY I I, I'VE BEEN TO THIS BOARD AND I, I APPRECIATE NAME TAG LEON.
I'VE BEEN ON THAT CORNER FOR NOT TOO LONG, MAYBE 40 YEARS.
SO, UM, WE REALLY, UM, THE LAST TIME WE CAME HERE, WE HAD SEVEN PARKING SPACES.
NOW WE DOUBLED AND OVER DOUBLED.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO MINUSCULE THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
WE ALREADY GOT THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
WE HAVE AN APPROVAL ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
WE HAD NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR FIVE YEARS.
WE WENT TO THE TOWN AND WE ASKED YOU GUYS IF YOU POSSIBLY COULD LET US RENT IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE A DELI IS PASSE.
THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF DELIS AROUND, BUT FRANK'S IS OUT OF BUSINESS.
UH, THE ELECT, UH, DELI, THE DELECTABLE DELI IS OUTTA BUSINESS.
SO THE TOWN SAID GRACIOUSLY, WHICH I LOVE IT, THEY SAID, YEAH, YOU COULD RENT IT TO SOMEBODY BESIDES A DELI.
SO THERE'S HARDLY, I HAVEN'T NEVER SEEN A DELI WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW, BUT WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF OTHER REQUESTS FOR STORES TO COME IN THERE AND RENT A PLACE.
BUT THEY SAID EIGHT SEATS ARE NOT ENOUGH.
SO BASICALLY WE ARE HERE TODAY NOT FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH FOR MORE SEATS THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE DOUBLE THE PARKING.
SO IF WE HAD SEVEN SPACES BEFORE, AND NOW WE GOT OVER DOUBLE THAT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE FOR, UH, MORE SEATING, NOT FOR MORE DRIVE-THROUGH OR NOT FOR MORE SAYING, HEY, LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT YOU I I MEAN TWO YEARS, I'M HAVING A PROBLEM RENTING THIS AND IT'S A STRUGGLE TO PAY THE TAXES.
BUT LISTEN, THAT, THAT IS NOT THE, THE BOARD'S PROBLEM BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO ME.
AND THE ZONING BOARD HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS.
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EIGHT EXTRA PARKING SPACES OR EXTRA SEATS.WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY CLOSE SHORTLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES I GET HUNG UP ON EVERYTHING, BUT I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ON IT.
NO, NO, YOU MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
FIRST OF ALL, BELIEVE ME, AND IT IS ONE OTHER THING, ONE OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY.
WHEN THE ZONING BOARD GAVE US THE APPROVAL FOR THIS, THEY SAID, GARRETT AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL DETERMINE WHAT GOES IN THERE.
SO STARBUCKS CAN'T GO IN THERE, DON'T CONDONE US.
WE ARE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT GOES IN THERE.
WELL HE, THAT'S WHERE THE POINT COMES IN.
FIR FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY CAN TELL YOU WHAT GOES IN THERE.
THEY CAN JUST TELL YOU IT FITS WITH THE CODE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S NO, NO, NO.
I WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE LAW IS.
AND MY COUNCIL IS SHAKING HER HEAD YES.
OUR JOB IS TO ADMINISTER THE CODE.
OUR JOB IS ALSO TO, BUT I, I RESPECT FINISH, LET ME FINISH.
IS ALSO, WE'D LIKE TO, WE DON'T LIKE TO SEE EMPTY BUILDINGS.
NONE OF US LIKE TO SEE EMPTY BUILDINGS.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE YOU SUFFER.
OKAY? WE DON'T WANNA SEE YOU SUFFER.
WE WERE VER WE DID BEND OVER TO GIVE YOU THAT DRIVE THROUGH.
AT THE TIME THE BOARD HAS BEEN GRACIOUS.
OKAY? WE HAVE, YOU ALSO HAD SOMEBODY ACROSS THE STREET WHO ALMOST NEVER HAD ANY TRAFFIC.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN FOUR CARS IN THERE.
I THINK I'VE NEVER SEEN MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE CARS AT THE CVS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GO, WE, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT.
THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE DON'T KNOW IF EXACTLY WHAT, BUT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN, IN THIS, IN THIS REGARD AS WELL.
AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ISN'T JUST THE ONE THING.
OKAY? IF YOU CAME IN HERE AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE UP THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IF I CAN HAVE THE 42 SEATS, THAT THAT'S ONE DECISION, OR I, I REALLY WANTED, I, IF YOU JUST WANTED TO DRIVE THROUGH WITH SOMEONE LIKE, LIKE STARBUCKS.
MY PERSONAL OPINION IS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T DO IT 'CAUSE IT'S AGAINST CODE.
YOU'VE GOT, IF, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER FAST FOOD THAT'S GOING IN NEXT DOOR, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALREADY SAID IT.
NO STARBUCKS, NO DUNKING DONUTS, NO WENDY'S, NO MCDONALD'S.
WE WANT LOW IMPACT AND WE WILL SUGGEST WHO SHOULD GO IN THERE.
ONE, I HATE TO, TO PASS THINGS WHERE I HAVE TO DEPEND ON SOMEBODY, PARTICULARLY THAT SOMEONE WHO ISN'T THE OPERATOR FROM ENFORCING A RULE.
OKAY? THAT IS FRAUGHT WITH DANGER.
I KNOW YOU, I KNOW YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN, BOTH OF YOU.
I'VE KNOWN YOU GUYS FOR YEARS, OKAY? FULL DISCLOSURE, RIGHT? I'VE KNOWN YOU GUYS BOTH FOR YEARS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY ELSE RUNNING THAT PLACE.
AND I, AND IT IS A SENSITIVE AREA THAT, THAT, THAT INTERSECTION IS, UH, AD UN UNDER THE CODE, UNDER NOT UNDER THE CODE, UNDER EVALUATION, WHICH MEANS IT'S A BAD INTERSECTION AT TIMES.
YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS THERE, WE KNOW THAT ARE VERY AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT, THAT GETS DEVELOPED THERE OKAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR EGRESS TO THE, TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD FROM, FROM THEIR THERE.
AND THEY LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A NICE, COZY NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT CARS GOING THROUGH IT.
OKAY? SO WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY? WHICH IS WHY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN IT'S BLIND.
OKAY? AND IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO SAY, OKAY, I WANT THE 42 SEATS, AND I WANNA KEEP THE DRIVE THROUGH, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, OKAY, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO, OKAY? I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT'S A HARDER DECISION FOR US TO, TO DO THAT THAN JUST TO APPROVE THE 42 SEATS.
OKAY? IF THE 42 SEATS IS GONNA UPSET THE APPLE CART, MAKE IT 38 SEATS, I GOT EIGHT MORE PARKING SPACES.
YOU, YOU, YOU'RE MISSING, I'M MISSING POINT.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU DON'T HAVE EIGHT MORE PARKING SPACES.
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES.
YOU'RE SHORT PARKING SPACES, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ANYWAY.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MI MR. CANNING, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO, COULD YOU HELP US WITH THIS? BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED HELP FROM OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO SEE WHAT'S REASONABLE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, IN TERMS OF ONE TRYING TO FIND, GIVE US A RANGE OF, OF QUEUING ON, ON DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS THAT MIGHT GO IN THERE IF THERE WERE A DRIVE THROUGH.
BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO THAT, I JUST WANNA ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CHANGING
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THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING OR THAT REMAINS THE NO, NO, NO.EVERYTHING BASICALLY REMAINS THE SAME.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE ORIENTATION OF THE INSIDE AND THE ADDITIONAL SEATING IS ALL THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY'S, AS I SAID, THE TWO SEPARATE DISHES.
SO MR. CANNING GUYS, WE'RE RUNNING OVER ON THIS AND I, I WANT TO STAY ON TIME TONIGHT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, MR. CANNING, IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD AT LEAST GIVE US A PICTURE OF WHAT THE RANGE MAY BE? IF YOU CAN FIND A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A TRADITIONAL RESTAURANT AND GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
CAN YOU DO THAT? A TRADITIONAL RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH? YEAH, THAT'S, UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO GET BUILDING INVOLVED IN THIS SOMEHOW.
THEN THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO AT THE SAME TIME.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RANGE IS, BUT ANYWAY, BUT SECOND OF ALL, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WHY DON'T YOU ASK OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR TO GIVE US HIS, HIS INTER HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME FROM THIS LIST, I JUST SAW THAT ANYTHING WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED AQSR WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU WERE GIVEN BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD, I'M NOT SURE IT'S, I'M NOT SURE IT'S FAIR TO ASK JOHN TO GIVE YOU THOSE KINDS OF NUMBERS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES.
YOU GOT THE LOCATION, YOU'VE GOT THE TYPE OF FOOD, YOU HAVE THE QUALITY OF THE FOOD.
THERE, THERE ARE AVERAGES OF THE EFFICIENT, WELL, THE STATISTICS EXIST.
I WORK, YOU ALWAYS GET AN AVERAGE AND IT'LL TELL YOU NOTHING.
IT'S NOT AN AVERAGE WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
I JUST THINK IT'S NOT VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS A LONG TIME, WORKED WITH THIS BUSINESS A LONG TIME.
BUT I, I THINK WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT, UH, WE CANNOT REALLY DELIBERATE ON ANYTHING UNLESS WE STILL KNOW THE WHOLE PICTURE.
AND, AND THEN WE CAN SORT UPSET OR, OR GIVE THEM OR GIVE THEM VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE.
WHICH, WHICH COULD BE HELPFUL IF WE, IF MAN, IF WE CAN GET AN OPINION FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OKAY.
AS TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA INTERPRET IT.
THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY CAN MARKET.
I'M A FLIP SIDE FOR US TO PROVE IT.
WE NEED TO KNOW, HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS I THINK AMANDA'S SUGGESTION IS ACTUALLY THE BEST ONE.
GO BACK, GET AN OPINION FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
TRY TO GET IT LIKE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN ALL LOOK AT IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I'M, YOU KNOW, GIVE HIM SOME COOKIES,
SO SEE IF HE CAN GET, GET, GET SOME KIND OF OPINION FROM NEXT WEEK.
SO THEN WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE OF HOW WE WOULD RECOMMEND GOING TO GOING FORWARD.
AND IN TERMS OF, UM, THE SEATING, AS I SAID, IS THAT'S ALMOST STRAIGHTFORWARD.
DO WE THINK? DO WHAT? AND MR. KING, YOU CAN TELL US IF YOU THINK THAT MUCH OF A RISK WITH 21 SPACES VERSUS 28.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK, LOOK AT CLEARLY IN THE STANDARDS.
'CAUSE MY GUESS IS WE'RE GENERALLY OVER PARKED IN ON MOST OF OUR REGULATIONS.
TELL ME IF WE'RE OVER PARKED ON THIS ONE.
LET ME KNOW THAT TO GIVE US AN IDEA WHAT TO DO THERE.
UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALSO IF THERE WEREN'T A DRIVE THROUGH, HOW MANY SPACES THERE ARE ACTUALLY THERE.
I THINK IT'S LIKE 26, BUT, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND GET THAT, THE OPINION FOR HIM.
THEN LET'S ALL COME BACK TOGETHER THE NEXT TIME AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO GIVE YOU BETTER DIRECTION ON THIS AND GET SOMETHING TO THE ZONING BOARD.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL? NO, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU GO, HUH.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE KIND OF INTERESTED IN COMPROMISING IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF SEATING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE SITE.
SO IF YOU COULD ALSO DO HOMEWORK TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR THRESHOLD IS, INSTEAD OF 48 BEING, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM WHERE, HOW MUCH LESS CAN YOU GO THAT WOULD MAKE IT FEASIBLE TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR BUSINESS? TO BE HONEST, IT, IT'S REALLY JUST, UH, STEP TO THE MIC.
UH, TO BE HONEST, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT YET, SO IT'S NOT US THAT'S RUNNING IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE REALLY ANYBODY'S PROBABLY GONNA USE 42 SEATS.
IT WOULD PROBABLY, I, I'M JUST UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS LIKE, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU DON'T PICK HOW MANY SEATS YOU WANT, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT LIKE THE REQUIRED NO, I, I THINK, I THINK PART OF IT IS, AND MICHAEL POINTED IT OUT, OBVIOUSLY, THE RESILIENT VARIABLES THAT GO INTO THIS.
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WHO GOES IN THERE IS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND ABOUT THAT.
IF NOT EVERY RESTAURANT WOULD BE AS SUCCESSFUL, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
SO, I MEAN, WHAT HE IS SAYING IS FROM A MARKET ABILITY, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FROM A MARKETABILITY POINT OF VIEW, WHAT DO YOU NEED? WHAT DO YOU THINK UP IN A, IS THERE A NUMBER AND THERE MAY NOT BE LESS THAN THE 42 SEATS.
IS THERE A NUMBER LESS THAN 42 SEATS THAT YOU STILL THINK YOU REMAIN MARKETABLE? THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION FOR ME, BECAUSE IS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH, HOW NECESSARY TO, IN TERMS OF MARKETABILITY, IS THAT DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH, GIVEN, GIVEN THAT THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS.
I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING, UM, RELATED TO THE SEATS.
UM, THE NEED FOR THE PARKING, ADDITIONAL PARKING IS RELATED TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE NUMBER OF SEATS ISN'T TERRIBLY, UM, RELEVANT PARKING, OR DOES THAT, OH, THEN WE'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE, THANK YOU MATT.
TELL US, COME BACK AND TELL US HOW CRITICALLY IMPORTANT OR IT ISN'T TO THE MARKETABILITY OF IT.
VERY CRITICAL, THE DRIVE THROUGH.
I, I WOULD SAY IT'S A NECESSITY.
IN TERMS OF THE INTERPRETATION FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, I AM SOMEWHAT CLEAR, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW CLEAR THE APPLICANT IS ON EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUESTED.
SO COULD THAT BE LAID OUT FOR THE RECORD AS WELL SO WE CAN CAPTURE IT? DO YOU WANT ME LAY OUT WHAT, WHAT QUESTION IT IS? I'M SORRY, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING HERE?
WHAT ARE GONNA ASK SPECIFIC? SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS FOR A DETERMINATION ON WHAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A RESTAURANT THAT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND WHAT WOULD NECESSARILY QUALIFY AS FAST FOOD OR QSR? WELL, I GUESS THE DIRECT QUESTION, BECAUSE WE DON DIRECT QUESTION KNOW WHAT KIND OF, UM, THE DIRECT QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU QUALIFY ANYTHING WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AS ANYTHING BUT AQSR GIVEN? I WOULDN'T EVEN ASK, GIVEN THE HISTORY, WOULD YOU EVER QUALIFY A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AS ANYTHING BUT AQSR? YEAH.
THAT, I THINK THAT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION.
AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, WELL WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? OKAY,
I'M TRYING TO GET YOU GUIDANCE.
I REALLY WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.
DOES THAT HELP? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO? YES.
SO THE 42 SEATS DON'T, DON'T JUST KIND OF DON'T PLAY MUSICAL CHAIRS WITH THE SEATS.
IT'S CALLED REARRANGING THE CHAIRS IN THE TITANIC.
IT'S NOT THE TITAN, THE BOAT STILL LABEL IT.
THE BOAT STILL LOOKS WHEN YOU TO DO THAT.
WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN GET THERE AND WE'LL, IT WILL, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PARKING.
MR. CANON CAN OPINE THE NEXT TIME ON, YOU KNOW, HOW REASONABLE, HOW REASONABLE THAT PAR THAT PARKING CAPACITY IS GI GIVEN 42 SEATS.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A GOOD EVENING.
THANK EVERYBODY FOR ALL YOUR TIME.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH, UH, OUR FRIENDS IN THE BACK THERE.
SO I AM NOT COMING GOOD ENOUGH.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, UM, OUR COUNCIL HAS, UH, RECUSED HERSELF FOR, BECAUSE OF THE, HAVING A PREVIOUS ASSIGNMENT, ORAL JOB AND BATING FOR HER TONIGHT.
ACTUALLY A TOWN ATTORNEY IS WITH US TODAY.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO FILL AMANDA'S SHOES, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.
UH, CHICK-FIL-A 22 TERRY TOWN ROAD.
THIS IS CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
I GUESS WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS SO FAR.
UH, SITE PLAN, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.
YES, THEY ARE SAYING THEY'RE AQSR, UM, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, THE LAST TIME WE MET, IT REALLY SEEMED TO ME TO BE COMING DOWN TO DISCUSSING ISSUES ON, UH, THE CAPACITY OF THE DRIVE THROUGH IS ONE OF, I THINK ONE OF THE PRIMARY ISSUES.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AN ALTERNATE PLAN, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SHOW US TONIGHT, WHICH I WAS IT JOHANN SUGGESTED IT, I THINK WITH THE ONE OR TOM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS DID IT.
SO THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO OF THEM WE'RE A TEAM AND I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE A LOT OF PARKINSON'S.
IT TURNED OUT WE DIDN'T, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT TONIGHT.
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ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE, BETWEEN YOU AND MR. CANNING FOR 114 PAGES OF BEDTIME READING.UM, I WENT, I DID GO THROUGH IT.
I THINK MOST OF US WENT THROUGH IT OR ALL OF US WENT THROUGH IT.
UM, IT'S HARD TO FULLY COMPREHEND WHAT'S IN THERE.
I WANT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA WANNA UNDERSTAND, AT LEAST I DO, AND AND WE CAN HEAR FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHEN WE GET TO THAT TONIGHT, IS, UM, WHY YOU PICKED THOSE FOUR FACILITIES.
WHY THEY'RE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE TO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD EXPECT FROM THIS FACILITY.
UM, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS IN THERE PRETTY WELL, BUT I'M GOING OVER IT AND HAVE MR. CANON COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO WHY DON'T WE START, CAN I ASK THE QUESTION FIRST? OH, YEAH.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, A PROCEDURAL QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
UM, YEAH, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN A MORE EXTRA WHILE AND YOU GUYS HAD APPEAL THAT WAS, WE DID RECEIVE A, A LETTER FROM THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING BOARD YESTERDAY, WHICH UM, BASICALLY SAID, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA READ THE WHOLE THING, UM, SAID THAT, UM, IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THEIR, THEIR MASTER PLAN AND IT WAS THEIR OPINION THAT IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GREENBERG MASTER PLAN.
WELL, THAT DETERMINATION IS A DETERMINATION THAT WILL BE MADE BY THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, NOT BY THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER.
UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DIGEST THE WHOLE THING YET.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO AT LEAST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
UH, ALSO IF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO READ IT, IT'S ABOUT FIVE PAGES LONG.
THE DECISION IT IS ON THE WEBSITE, IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT ACTIVE CASES AND LOOK UNDER, UNDER THIS CASE, UH, WHICH IS PB 2207, YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ THE LETTER.
THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY ABOUT THE LETTER TONIGHT.
BUT WE DID RECEIVE IT AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.
WELL, YOU, WELL YOU PRETTY MUCH MADE MY POINT IS THAT A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS WHOLE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH, FIRST OF ALL, OUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH WESTCHESTER COMPREHENSIVE CLAN.
BUT THE KEY THING IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE IF IT IS NOT, THEN THAT SORT OF TAKES THE LEGS OUT OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.
AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL TONIGHT.
SO WE SHOULD GO THROUGH WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THE INFORMATION WE HAD WITH THE PROVISO THAT BEFORE WE COME TO ANY DECISION, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UH, THE COMMENTS IN THE WESTCHESTER PLANNING BOARD MADE AND SEE IF INDEED WHAT WE COME UP WITH TONIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BROADLY WITH THE AREA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF WESTCHESTER.
SO THAT'S JUST THE POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
WELL, GARY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DID AARON, GARY AND I DISCUSSED THIS IN TOM FOR US TODAY.
AND THE DECISION, UH, GARRETT AND AND STAFF ARE WILL BE REVIEWING THAT IN TIME FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND THE ONLY THING THAT RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, MY GOAL TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET THERE, I'M HOPING WE WILL GOAL TONIGHT IS WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THERE'S NOTHING BINDING ABOUT THE COMMENT, IT'S JUST MORE INPUT THAT WE NEED FROM THE COMMUNITY PRIOR TO MAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AT THAT MEETING.
I WOULD HOPE THAT GET AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I THINK I HAVE ALSO SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, WALTER HAS PUT THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU, PLEASE.
UH, YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, WHAT I READ THE, UH, COUNTY MEMO AND I THINK YOU SHOULD READ TO IT.
AND I THINK WHAT WALTER, I AGREE WITH IT.
IT TAKES, IT, IT IS A, UH, UH, IF, IF THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS WRONG TO HAVE THIS KIND OF FACILITY THERE, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD REALLY, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO INTO THE DETAIL AND TO WORK OUT THE DETAIL.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT THOUGH.
I, I MEAN, BUT IF I JUST SORT OF LEADING THE, LEADING THE APPLICANT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
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APPLICATION IS, IS, IS NOT FAVORABLE.TWO THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, JOE, UH, OPINE, OPINE ON THIS.
IF, IF I'M WRONG, WESTCHESTER, THE DECISION ON WHETHER TO GO FORWARD IS NOT WESTCHESTER COUNTIES.
BY THE WAY, I DO WANNA CORRECT IT.
ONE THING IN THEIR, THE, THEIR MEMO, WHICH I KIND OF DISTURBED ME, THEY DIDN'T REALIZE WHO'S GOT JURISDICTION IN THIS.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS THE TOWN BOARD.
SO, UH, I'M GOING ON RECORD SAYING NO, THE, THE JURISDICTION, AND THIS IS THE PLANNING BOARDS, NOT THE TOWN BOARDS, BUT WE'RE NOT BOUND BY THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY OPINION.
AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE ON OUR OWN, WHICH WE CAN'T DO TONIGHT, OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLAN.
AND IF THE DETERMINATION IS THAT IT'S NOT OKAY, THEN, THEN WE'LL BRING THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, AND THE APPLICANT CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEN WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THAT BEFORE? WE CAN'T.
'CAUSE OF THE SCHEDULE JUST CAME IN.
WE JUST GOT YOUR YESTERDAY CAME IN YESTERDAY.
BUT, BUT, SO IF, IF THE, UH, IF I MAY, I THINK I CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON ALL OF THIS.
CHARLIE GOTTLIEB, UH, COUNSEL FOR CHICK-FIL-A I'M HERE THIS EVENING WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER TIM FRY, TAG TRAFFIC ENGINEER PHIL GREELEY.
AND ALSO HERE THIS EVENING IS CLINT MATSON FROM CHICK-FIL-A UM, WE WILL, I'LL BE BRIEF, WE'LL DIVE RIGHT INTO THIS STUFF RELATED TO THE COUNTY LETTER.
SPECIFICALLY THOUGH THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS LETTER.
IT WAS ISSUED A VERY SIMILAR LETTER, I THINK IN AUGUST, LATE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
UH, WE THEN TOOK THAT LETTER, PROVIDED THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THE RESPONSES, WESTCHESTER PLANNING BOARD, WELL, AND THIS PLANNING BOARD RIGHT.
WITH HOW WE MEET THE WESTCHESTER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HOW WE MEET THE TOWN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS THEY HAD IN THAT LETTER.
WE THEN MET WITH THE COUNTY, UH, COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING, UH, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ.
AND WE DESCRIBED THAT MEETING AT, AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
UM, WE THEN HAVE BEEN GIVING THEM OUR SUBMISSIONS ASKING CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD? CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT WE MADE IN RESPONSE TO THE INITIAL COUNTY MEMO? UH, WE CHANGED THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING ON TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UM, WE HIGHLIGHTED THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
WE NOTED THAT THIS IS MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT THAN THE, UM, CVS THAT WAS THERE.
IT'S LESS AUTOMOBILE DEPENDENT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN WALK TO IT FROM THE COUNTY CENTER, FROM THE BUS STOPS, FROM THE METRO NORTH STATION.
SO I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT RESPONSE BECAUSE THIS LETTER KIND OF CAME OUTTA NOWHERE.
WE WEREN'T INVITED TO ATTEND A PLANNING BOARD MEETING WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY JUST RESUBMITTED THE SAME LETTER.
SO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR RECORD.
I WILL POINT THAT OUT, AARON, TO YOU, SO THAT WHEN GARRETT GOES THROUGH AND YOU GO THROUGH IT, YOU HAVE THOSE CITATIONS.
'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE WRONG IN A LOT OF INSTANCES.
THE THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S REALLY GONNA BE THE DETERMINATION OF A TOWN YEP.
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE COMP PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL ASPECT OF IT, BUT AS A PLANNER AND AS A PLAN, AS OVERALL ISSUE IS A LARGER PLANNING.
AND IF IT IS NOT A GOOD PLANNING, WE CAN'T THEN, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD NOT REALLY GO INTO.
WELL, I THINK ANOTHER THING IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LETTER WAS IS IS OUTDATED.
IT WAS RE RESENT, BUT NO, TO DATE LETTER.
IT WAS AFTER I CORRECTED BECAUSE THEY MENTIONED MEETING WITH YOU IN THAT LETTER.
AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S TOO, TOO, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SURE.
SO IT'S NOT, UH, THAT, UH, THIS IS RESENTED TO IT, BUT THEY MET WITH THE APPLICANT.
THEY TALK WITH, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES THAT.
BUT, BUT LET ME FINISH MY SENTENCE.
SO WE ARE ALL VOLUNTARY PEOPLE COMING OVER HERE TO REALLY NOT SPEND TIME ON, IF THE OVERALL ISSUE IS REALLY OUTDATED, WE CAN'T, GIVEN THE SCHEDULE, WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO DO THIS TONIGHT.
IF INDEED GARRETT COMES BACK, CALLS ME UP AND, AND THE TWO OF THEM AND I MEET WITH HIM AND SAY, WE GOTTA PULL THIS OFF THE AGENDA, WE'LL DO THAT.
BECAUSE IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE AN ISSUE.
AND WE'LL, IT'LL BE ADDRESSED WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? OKAY.
I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ANYMORE.
GET TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE READY, ASSUMING WE'RE
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GOING TO DO A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.HOPEFULLY IF WE GET THAT FAR TONIGHT, WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION THE END OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT OF WHETHER WE WANT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION FOR NOVEMBER 15TH.
AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'LL HAVE A POWWOW BETWEEN MEETINGS.
CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU AFTER, BEFORE QUESTION, ARE YOU GONNA RESPOND TO THIS LATEST WESTCHESTER COUNTY LETTER? YEAH.
EVEN, EVEN IF YOU SIMPLY QUOTE FROM YOUR PREVIOUS RESPONSES.
UM, AND I, I'LL JUST SAY ONE THING BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO TIM.
THERE'S REALLY NO BETTER EVIDENCE THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE TOWNS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAN THE FACT THAT WE ARE A QUICK SERVICE FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, ZONING CODES TO BE ENACTED, LIKE PERMITTING A USE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT ZONING CODE HAS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO WE ARE A PERMITTED USE ON THE PROPERTY.
I JUST WANNA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO TIM, WHO CAN RUN YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN CHANGES.
AS MR. F**S COMING UP, I DID WANNA MENTION THAT THE TOWN DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE DSS DISTRICT AND MADE SOME UPDATES IN EARLY 2022.
AND WE CHOSE NOT TO CHANGE THIS.
AND THE QSR USE WAS NOT PULLED OUT OF THAT DISTRICT.
JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT TO THE BOARD.
NOW YOU GET THE FUN PART OF THE NIGHT.
OH, I DON'T HAVE THE FUN PART.
HE GOT ALL, HE GOT ALL THE PROBLEMS. NOW YOU GET THE FUN PART.
I THINK PHIL GETS ALL THE FUN PART.
TIM, WITH BOWLER ENGINEERING IN OUR, UH, OCTOBER 17TH, UH, RESUBMISSION TO THIS BOARD, THERE WERE ESSENTIALLY TWO SEPARATE RESPONSE LETTERS.
ONE FROM BOWLER ENGINEERING ON SOME OF THE PLANNING RELATED COMMENTS FROM THIS BOARD, AND THEN A SEPARATE RESPONSE MEMO AS IT RELATED TO TRAFFIC THAT, UH, BILL CAN WALK THE BOARD THROUGH, UM, SEPARATELY.
BUT I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST TOUCH THE HIGH LEVEL ITEMS FROM, UH, MY MEMO.
UH, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT, SO I WON'T GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL UNLESS THERE ARE FURTHER QUE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AS I GO THROUGH IT.
BUT THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE SINCE, UH, OUR LAST MEETING TO NOW IS A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE DRIVE AISLE AS YOU APPROACH THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE.
AT OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE, THE GRAND OPENING OF PLAN AND, AND WHAT'S THE FALLBACK POSITION IF, IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL STACKING ON SITE.
AND THE IMPORTANCE AROUND FLEXIBILITY.
THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT WORD WAS USED.
UH, A FEW TIMES IN OUR MEETING LAST MONTH, IN CONSIDERATION OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED, UH, INPUT FROM, UH, MR. CANNING AND, UH, OUR TEAM.
WE LOOKED AT THE SUGGESTED ONE-WAY, UH, CIRCULATION AS YOU APPROACHED THE DRIVE-THROUGH ENTRANCE, ANGLED PARKING, AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF STACKINGS BEYOND THE DRIVE-THROUGH ENTRANCE IF WE EVER NEED IT.
OUR CONCERN, UH, AS BRIEFLY WAS MENTIONED, WAS THE LOSS OF PARKING.
WHEN YOU GO TO ANGLED A PARKING STALLS, YOU LOSE, UM, SOME, SOME PARKING EFFICIENCY FOR MAXIMIZING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO TWEAK THE PLAN TO HAVE A NET LOSS OF ONE SPACE VERSUS THE, THE PRIOR, UM, APPLICATION.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER, UH, CHANGE THAT KIND OF SNOWBALLED ON US WAS JUST THE ORIENTATION OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.
SO PREVIOUSLY, UH, DELIVERIES WERE, WERE GOING, UM, AWAY FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE THROUGH THAT AISLE TO PICK UP TRASH.
AND NOW THAT IT'S ONE WAY, THE TRUCK'S GONNA APPROACH IT FROM, UH, THE SIDE.
SO WE JUST ROTATED THAT ENCLOSURE TO FURTHER LINE UP FOR THE TRUCK, UH, PICKING UP THE TRASH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE TRUCK COMING AROUND AND MAKING THAT TURN? AND THAT'S OKAY.
UH, SO YOU'LL SEE, OR YOU'LL NOTICE THE, UH, INTERIOR CURBED ISLAND, UH, BY THE DRIVE-THROUGH ENTRANCE IS ALL CONCRETE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A TREE THERE.
'CAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THE TRUCK, THE THE TRAILER DOES NEED TO DRAG OVER THAT CURVED ISLAND, UH, FOR YOU GIMME A MOUNTABLE CURB.
BUT STILL HAVE THE CURB FOR PROTECTION OF THE PARKING SPACES IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A, A STRIPED SPOT NEXT TO THAT CURBED ISLAND.
SHOULD ANYBODY, UM, GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO FIND A PARKING SPOT, ALL THE PARKING SPOTS ARE, ARE TAKEN.
THEY NEED TO TURN AROUND AND NAVIGATE BACK THROUGH THE SITE.
THEY COULD PULL INTO THAT, UM, RESERVE AREA AND BACK OUT AND, AND NAVIGATE BACK THROUGH THE SITE.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT STRIPED AREA.
SO THESE CHANGES, UM, DID SLIGHTLY AFFECT THE, UH, UH, AREA VARIANCE APPLICATION IN OUR LIST OF VARIANCES THAT, UM, WE WILL NEED AN UPDATED MEMORANDUM FROM THE TOWN JUST CONCURRING WITH OUR FINDINGS.
BUT, UM, WE DID LOSE ONE PARKING SPACE.
SO OFF STREET PARKING, WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AT 113 SPACES.
NOW WE'RE PROPOSING 112 WHERE 144
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ARE REQUIRED.AND THEN, UH, POTENTIAL TWO ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.
SO AGAIN, UNIQUE PROPERTY GEOMETRY AND CONFIGURATION.
HERE WE ARE TUCKING IT BACK INTO THE BACK CORNER OF THE SITE.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A, A STORAGE SHED THAT HAS A ROOF ON IT NEXT TO THAT TRASH ENCLOSURE OFF THE BACK WALL.
THAT IS TECHNICALLY A STRUCTURE.
SO IT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH SETBACKS.
UM, THE SETBACK FROM COUNTY CENTER ROAD WAS ACTUALLY IMPROVED BASED ON THIS ADJUSTMENT.
WE WENT FROM 16.2 FEET TO 19 AND A HALF FEET WHERE 40 FEETS REQUIRED.
SO THIS IMPROVED THAT VARIANCE CONDITION.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE, THE SHED? THAT'S FOR THE SHED.
BUT IT DOES ADD A NEW VARIANCE WHERE IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER TO OLD KENSICO ROAD.
SO THAT HAS A 30, UH, FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY COMPLIANT, WHICH NOW WE'RE AT 21.8.
SO A LITTLE, UM, MORE SPACE ON COUNTY CENTER, LITTLE LESS ON OLD KENS KENSICO ROAD THERE.
THE REST OF MY COMMENTS OR RESPONSE TO COMMENTS WERE, UH, SOME DATA COLLECTION.
SO AS YOU MENTIONED, EVERYBODY HAD A LOT OF NIGHTTIME READING WITH A LOT OF DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED BOTH IN, IN OUR RESPONSE MEMO, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE TRAFFIC RESPONSE ME MEMO.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK THROUGH ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE DATA.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE APP IS UTILIZED AND HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR, UH, DELIVERIES.
I I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE TOUCHED THAT A A FEW TIMES NOW, BUT HAPPY TO REVISIT DELIVERIES IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THERE.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE CANOPIES ARE ACTUALLY HEATED AND THE OPERATIONS OF TEAM MEMBERS OUT IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES.
UH, WE PROVIDE A RESPONSE ON THE EMISSIONS ABOUT THE TYPE OF COOKING OPERATIONS INSIDE THE BUILDING AND THE VENTING, UM, HOODS THAT THEY USE AND THE FILTERS FOR, UH, CLEAN AIR AND, AND THE EXHAUSTS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, CURBSIDE, CURBSIDE PICKUP AND DELIVERY OUTTA THE BUILDING.
SO THERE WOULD BE, UH, THREE TO FOUR SPACES THAT ARE TYPICALLY, UM, DESIGNATED FOR CURBSIDE DELIVERY.
AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT THERE WAS THE SUGGESTION TO INVESTIGATE ANGLED PARKING, WHICH, UM, I ALREADY DISCUSSED.
AND WE ALSO HAD TALKED ABOUT, SEE HERE, A RIGHT TURN OUT OF THE, THE SIGNAGE OUT, OUT OF THE, UM, DRIVE THROUGH ONTO OLD CONCEA.
YOU'RE GOING TO COUNTY CENTER.
COUNTY CENTER, I'M SORRY, COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
SOME OF THAT SIGNAGE WAS ADDED TO THE PLAN, AND THAT WAS FURTHER DETAIL IN THE TRAFFIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OPERATIONALLY, UM, RELATED TO ME THAT I COULD ANSWER, ANSWER WALTER? YEAH, I, UM, I, I, LOOKING THROUGH YOUR DATA, I ADMIT I DIDN'T READ EVERY BIT OF IT, BUT THERE WAS, UH, UH, SOME KEY POINTS THAT, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED.
UH, PREVIOUSLY I INDICATED THAT THERE WAS SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES AT VARIOUS, UH, SITES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
I WAIT TILL THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT COMES UP FOR THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
YEAH, I, I WAS, I WAS FIRST ASKING ABOUT THE, THE BOWLER RESPONSE LETTER.
WE CAN JUMP OVER TO THIS GENTLEMAN IS SITTING HERE QUIETLY AND IS DISCIPLINED.
HASN'T BEEN QUIZZED YET, SO FINE.
WE'RE WAITING FOR, WELL, I WOULD JUST COMMENT ON THIS DESIGN.
I THINK THIS IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PREVIOUS TWO.
AND YOU HAVEN'T DESCRIBED, I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA DESCRIBE THE POSSIBLE OVERFLOW, UM, FROM THE, THE DRIVER.
PHILIP GREELEY FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.
SO, UH, AS TIM INDICATED, UH, WE HAD PROVIDED IN OUR OCTOBER 17TH SUBMISSION, UH, RESPONSES TO MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, THE BOARD HAD AND, UH, PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL DATA.
UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS KIND OF JUMP INTO SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS THAT WAS, UH, ADDRESSED WAS COMPARISONS TO SOME OF OTHER EXISTING FACILITIES, RIGHT? UH, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR CONSULTANT BROUGHT UP SOME LOCATIONS, NORWALK, CONNECTICUT, AND SOME OTHERS.
AND, UH, WALTER, YOU HAD BROUGHT UP SOME LOCATIONS IN, UH, CHARLOTTE THAT WERE PROBLEMATIC.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, AS CREDIT THE CHICK-FIL-A OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE REFINED THEIR DESIGNS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THE ISSUES.
SOME OF THE OLDER FACILITIES THAT HAD SINGLE LANE, UH, DRIVE UPS.
UH, AS YOU COULD SEE, MOST OF THOSE FACILITIES HAD, YOU KNOW,
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LESS THAN HALF OF THE STACKING THAT WE HAVE ON THIS PLAN.SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES HAD MUCH FEWER THAN 20 SPACE, UH, STACKING SPACES.
UM, THE, UH, MANY OF THE FACILITIES SUCH AS NORWALK HAD GONE TO A DUAL LANE INITIAL, AND THEN THEY ARE REDUCED DOWN TO A SINGLE LANE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE INCREASING YOUR STORAGE AREA, BUT FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THEY WEREN'T WORKING, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY NEEDED TO WORK.
AND A PERFECT EXAMPLE IS NORWALK IS CLOSED CURRENTLY.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE EXAMPLE LOCATIONS THAT WERE POINTED OUT HOW, IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE, HOW CLOSE IS, IS THE NOR, BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE NORWALK LOCATION, GO BY IT ALL THE TIME.
HOW CLOSE IS IT TO, IN SIZE TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY LOOKS IT'S SMALL.
I WOULD THINK IT'S SMALLER, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
YEAH, I I THINK THIS MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE AREA TOTAL, UH, BUT PARKING SPACES, I THINK WERE PRETTY COMPARABLE.
THE RECONFIGURATION USES UP SOME OF THEIR PARKING SPACES.
WE PROVIDED A COPY OF, OF THE, UH, PLAN THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, THOUGH.
UH, SO I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF AN IMPORTANT BACKDROP TO THIS DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, WALTER, YOU, YOU HAD POINTED OUT MANY LOCATIONS WHERE QUEUING WOULD STACK UP ONTO THE ROADWAYS.
BUT MOST OF THOSE LOCATIONS WERE EITHER A SINGLE LANE OR A DUAL TO A SINGLE.
AND, UH, THEY DID, NONE OF THEM HAD MORE THAN 20 SPACES OF STACKING AT MOST.
CAN I ASK THEN, UH, UH, WE TO BOOT TO MAKE A VALID ANALYSIS, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT ON THE EQUAL BASIS.
SO RATHER THAN COMPARING IT TO ALL THE SITES, ARE THERE ANY SITES SIMILAR IN STRUCTURE YES.
TO THE ONE THAT'S BEING PLANNED? YES.
AND WHAT IS THE DA AND, AND COMPARE THE DATA, I THINK THAT'S MORE ACCURATE.
SO THAT'S THE NEXT THING I'M GOING TO GET INTO.
SO, UH, WE ALSO PROVIDED, UH, DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY COLLECTED, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF YONKERS ON, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FACILITY PROPOSED CENTRAL AVENUE ON CENTRAL AVENUE AT ROXBURY DRIVE.
SO THE DATA, UH, WAS COLLECTED BY ANOTHER ENGINEERING FIRM, BUT IT, IT COMPILED Q DATA, UH, UH, PROCESS DATA AT DRIVE-THROUGHS.
AND THE FOUR LOCATIONS THAT ARE, UH, IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE, UH, ARE MANCHESTER, CONNECTICUT, EDISON, NEW JERSEY, UH, HENRIETTA, NEW YORK, AND CLAY, NEW YORK.
NOW, YOU SAY, HOW ARE THOSE CHOSEN? WELL, THERE'S VERY MANY VARIABLES THAT COME INTO PLAY, BUT, UH, NUMBER ONE IS THE ROADWAYS THAT THEY'RE ON HAVE SIMILAR ADDS TO WHAT WE HAVE.
THEY'RE STATE HIGHWAYS, PRIMARILY, UH, UH, SIMILAR TO TARRYTOWN ROAD ONE 19.
SO, UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, LAYOUT OF THOSE FACILITIES, SOME OF WHICH ARE EITHER RECONSTRUCTED FACILITIES OR, OR FACILITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR TYPE OF, UH, PROCESSING, UH, CAPABILITY.
SO WE TRY TO DO A, A, A CHOICE OF FACILITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR SIMILARITIES TO WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, THE TYPES OF ROADS, STATE HIGHWAYS, MANY OF THEM ARE IN PROXIMITY TO INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, HERE WE'RE CLOSE TO 2 87.
UM, AND ALSO THE LAYOUT AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE, OF THE DESIGN OF, OF THE SITE.
NOW, NOT EVERY SITE IS EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IN TERMS OF THE, THE DUAL DRIVE-THROUGHS AND, AND HOW THEY FUNCTION.
SO THAT'S HOW WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOGETHER WITH, UH, CHICK-FIL-A COME UP WITH COMPARABLE SITES THAT WE'RE NOT COMPARING TO OLD SITES THAT, THAT ARE NOT FUNCTIONING ANYMORE.
THEY'RE SITES THAT ARE FUNCTIONING THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THIS.
SO THAT DATA, AND YOU'LL LOOK, YOU'LL SEE DEPENDING ON VARIOUS, UH, TIMES OF DAY AND, AND DIFFERENT DAYS OF THE WEEK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CUES WILL VARY.
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AT LUNCH SEEMED TO BE THE, THE, THE PEAK TIME.COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THOSE SITES AGAIN? SO I CANNOT, UH, YES.
THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE SPELLED OUT IN THE, IN OUR LETTER, THE OCTOBER 17TH LETTER, BUT EDISON, NEW JERSEY, MANCHESTER, CONNECTICUT, HENRIETTA, NEW YORK, WHICH IS NEAR ROCHESTER.
IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE SHOPPING AREA OUTSIDE OF ROCHESTER.
AND IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY AREAS THAT ARE HIGH VOLUME, HIGH SHOPPING, ET CETERA.
YORK SHOPPING MALLS AROUND HENRIETTA.
NEW YORK WAS THE LAST ONE, CLAY.
IT'S THE ONE I DON'T FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE YOU REAL DATA, UH, OBSERVED DATA, WHAT THE CUES ARE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DATA, YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME THE, THE PQS ARE IN THAT 20 TO 25 RANGE, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU HAVE 30 VEHICLES.
THERE WAS ONE TIME IN, UH, ONE 40, I THINK WAS 40 VEHICLES STACKED.
SO, AND, AND THAT KIND OF LEADS US INTO, SO OUR PLAN IS LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, HAD 33 SPACES STACKING.
UM, BASED ON SOME INPUT, UH, FROM YOUR CONSULTANT AND LOOKING AT THE PLAN, THE ONE WAY PLAN THAT TIM JUST DESCRIBED, UH, IT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY.
AND IT REALLY WAS WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE GRAND OPENING SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS SURGE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF EFFECT, UH, WHICH IS TYPICAL.
AND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF REMOVING A CURVED ISLAND AND GIVING THE FLEXIBILITY WHERE WE COULD EASILY EXTEND THAT STACKING.
SO WITH THAT PLAN, WE COULD INCREASE THE STACKING BY ANOTHER 14 VEHICLES.
UH, JUST WITH THAT INITIAL PLAN, UH, WE WENT ONE STEP FURTHER.
AND AGAIN, IT, IT SPELLED OUT IN WHAT WE CALL THE GRAND OPENING TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WE'LL CONTINUE TO FINE TUNE.
YOUR CONSULTANT HAD PROVIDED US SOME GOOD DIRECTION AND INPUT.
UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN ONCE WE GO TO THE ONE WAY TYPE OF DRIVE AISLE ON THAT WESTERN AREA, NOT ONLY COULD WE GET THE 14 SPACES IN THAT FLEXIBLE AREA, WHICH IS IN THE AREA MOST WESTERN, BUT WE HAD ENOUGH AREA LEFT THAT IF WE WENT ONE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, WE COULD ACTUALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THOSE SPACES AND GET ANOTHER HALF A DOZEN CARS IF IT EVER GOT TO THAT POINT.
SO NOW WE'RE INTO THE, THE LOW 50, UH, RANGE OF, OF STACKING.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT'S LAID OUT AND ONE OF THE PLANS THAT'S, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? YES.
LIKE DURING THE GRAND OPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, OF USING PART OF THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT FOR CUSTOMER PARKING? YEAH.
SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT EXTRA SPACE, SPACE AND FLEXIBILITY.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE, WE MENTIONED THAT IN OUR, UH, RESPONSE AND THE GRAND OPENING PLAN THAT THE LAYOUT OF THIS SITE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE UP TO 50 SPACES THERE, BUT IF NECESSARY, IF WE EVER HAD TO.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS AS WELL, WHAT IF YOU GO BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL SPILL OUT ON THE STREET.
SO THE EMPLOYEE LOT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP TO TWO DRIVEWAYS ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD ON THE EMPLOYEE LOT IS THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY THAT WHEN WE HAVE OUR TEAM MEMBERS OKAY.
AND, AND THE PLANS KIND OF SPELL OUT WHERE TEAM MEMBERS WOULD BE POSTED WHEN THEY GET IMPLEMENTED, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, IF QUEUES START TO EXTEND, UM, HAVING THAT TWO, THE TWO DRIVEWAYS THERE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DIRECT PEOPLE, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE PARKING FULL-TIME OR WHETHER WE NEED TO USE FOR OVERFLOW.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING UP SPACES ON THE STREET.
IT WORKS BETTER WHEN YOU HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING PEOPLE GOING INTO A DEAD-ENDED PARKING AREA THAN HAVE TO COME OUT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD FOR THE EMPLOYEE OPENING PLAN, IS IT, HAS IT EVER BEEN DONE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS, THE LAST THING YOU GUYS WANT IS A DISASTER FOR A WEEK AND A HALF.
CORRECT? YOU DON'T WANT TO PIP YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THE, GET THE WHOLE EVERYBODY IN, IN THE AREA, UH, UP IN ARMS AND CLOSE THIS PLACE.
I UNDERSTAND YOU WANTED TO GO AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE.
HAVE YOU EVER DONE LIKE IN THE BACKYARD? NOW I WOULDN'T DO IT IN THE FRONT, BUT THOUGHT ABOUT DOING STRUCTURED PARKING ON GRAND OPENING? NO, NOT THAT I, I,
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NOT THAT I KNOW OF.JUST CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? STRUCTURED PARKING, WE, OUR DEFINITION OF STRUCTURED PARKING IS WE HAVE A VALET.
SO YOU CAN STACK, STACK CARS IN INSTEAD OF HAVING WHATEVER IT IS, 21 SPACES BACK THERE OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET 40 CARS BACK THERE.
SO, SO IN THE EMPLOYEE LOT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT WOULD BE THE AREA IF WE NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TEAM MEMBERS IF WE EVER NEEDED TO.
YOU COULD QUOTE VALET OR DOUBLE STACK CARS.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST ONLY, ONLY FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE GRAND OPENING.
I, I SAW THE NUMBERS AND, AND I WANT TO HEAR MR. CANNON CONFIRM THAT HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH MM-HMM.
BUT IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT, WE'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN TERMS, I THINK IN TERMS OF, OF, OF THE STACKING.
THAT'S, THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION.
I'LL LOOK FOR NUMBERS THAT I COULD YELL AT YOU ABOUT.
I COULDN'T FIND ENOUGH OF THEM.
SERIOUSLY, THERE ARE VERY FEW, LIKE EVERY NOW AND THEN IT MIGHT GO INTO THE FORTIES, BUT ONLY IN A COUPLE OCCASIONS.
AND, AND TO YOUR POINT THAT THAT LOT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY.
NOW WE'RE RESTRICTED TO USE IT ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK AS A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TOOL, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY I FELT KEEPING THE TWO DRIVEWAYS THERE IS IMPORTANT, AND IT LEADS INTO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO IF WE EVER HAD TO DOUBLE STACK CARS OR QUOTE VALET, IT'S NOT REALLY VALETING.
IT'S MORE DIRECTING, UH, DIRECTING TRAFFIC.
YOU, YOU'VE GOT CURRENTLY THE OFFICE BUILDING, DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS GOES IN, IS ACROSS THE STREET, IS FAR FROM FULL YES.
MAYBE PART OF IT'S A CHURCH, I THINK, WHICH IS REALLY ONLY PARKED ON SUNDAYS WHEN YOU'RE NOT OPEN.
SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM TOO FOR A RURAL FLOW.
SO WE DO MENTION IN OUR, ONE OF OUR RESPONSES ABOUT DURING GRAND OPENING THAT, AND CHICK-FIL-A HAS THE, THIS OTHER LOCATION WHERE THEY MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR EMPLOYEES TO PARK OFF SITE AND THEN SHUTTLE THEM.
THAT LOCATION IS AN IDEAL LOCATION BECAUSE WALK, IT'S WALKABLE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL, WE, WE MENTIONED THAT AS OKAY.
UH, UH, AN ITEM IN OUR RESPONSE.
WE DIDN'T SPECIFY LOCATIONS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT GETS IMPLEMENTED.
I, I RECOGNIZE THAT DURING, UM, UH, THE OPENING OF A, YOU KNOW, UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE, I'M MORE SO, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE THAN THAT.
I'M MORE CONCERNED THAN ON ONGOING ACTIVITY.
DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT FACILITY IN CHARLOTTE AND SOUTH CHARLOTTE? FROM THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS FACILITY AND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE ONE IN CHARLOTTE, IT SEEMED LIKE A SIMILAR FACILITY THAT IT HAS THE DOUBLE ROW.
AND, AND THEN YOU HAD, AT LUNCHTIME, YOU HAD A ROW CARS THAT, UH, BACKED UP INTO, UM, THE PARKING LANES, BUT IT WAS STILL ON SITE, SO IT WAS ABOUT ANOTHER 70 CARS.
SO I BALLPARK ABOUT A HUNDRED CARS ON THE SITE DURING LUNCH HOUR WITHOUT BACKING UP INTO TRAFFIC.
SO MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU, IF THIS FACILITY IS SIMILARLY DESIGNED, IS SIMILARLY, IT, IT, IT WAS OFF OF ROADS LIKE ONE 19 AND IF IT'S A A SIMILAR TYPE OF FACILITY, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY AT PEAK TIME TO PUT A HUNDRED CARS ON THAT SITE? AND IF YOU DON'T, WHERE WILL THOSE ADDITIONAL CARS GO? OKAY, SO THE, THE PLAN AND MAYBE, UH, CHARLIE, IF YOU COULD PICK, PULL UP, UH, FROM THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THAT'S GIVEN, UH, THE FIRST VERSION OF THE PLAN WITH THE ADDITIONAL USING THE SPACES ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS UP ON THE SCREEN NOW.
WE PICK UP AN ADDITIONAL 14 SPACES THERE.
SO NOW WE'RE UP TO 47 SPACES, UH, WITH THE LAYOUT THAT YOU SEE IN RED THERE WITH THE ANGLED SPACES ON THE INNER SIDE OF THAT, WE STILL MAINTAIN A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, AND WE HAVE AN AREA THERE WE CAN STACK AN ADDITIONAL SIX OR SEVEN VEHICLES.
AND, AND THIS CAN BE, THIS IS JUST CONTROLLED WITH OUR, OUR, OUR TEAM MEMBERS.
SO VERY EASILY WE CAN STACK, YOU KNOW, THAT HIGH 50 RANGE WITHOUT EVEN GOING
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AROUND THE OTHER SIDE PAST WHERE THE GARBAGE PICKUP AREA IS.WE CAN PICK UP ANOTHER FOUR SPACES THERE EASILY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO THAT 60 RANGE JUST YEAH.
I, I WANT TO, I WANT TO, I YOU HAVE THESE SPACES, ALL THE PARKING SPACES.
WAIT, BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO WHERE THE SPACES ARE ARE AND STUFF, THAT'S, IF THAT NUMBER IS ACCURATE.
I SUSPECT MR. SIMON CAN COUNT.
HOW IS IT SO DIFFERENT THAN THE TR THE, THE STUFF YOU SHOWED US? WHY DO, IS IT, IS IT THE CONFIGURATION THE SAME OR IS IT A TWO FOR ONE DOWN THERE? WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? THE LOCATIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN CHARLOTTE WERE NOT TOO CONTI CON CONTINUOUS.
IT WAS TWO TO ONE AT THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAD THESE ISSUES.
SO THEY MERGE AT ONE POINT NOW WHERE THEY MERGE INTO ONE YOU ORDER AND THEY MERGE INTO
NOW, UNLESS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG LOCATIONS, THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT IN MORE DETAIL WITH YOU.
BUT THE ONES THAT WE LOOKED AT WERE TWO TO ONE.
SO TWO LANES STACKING TO A SINGLE LANE.
WE REMEMBER HERE WE HAVE DUAL LANES THE ENTIRE DISTANCE.
SO UNLESS WE PICK THE WRONG LOCATIONS, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT JUST, I CAN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MAKE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I'LL, WHAT I'LL DO, I'LL CALL MY FRIEND AND GET THE EXACT LOCATION, GET THE EXACT LOCATION, AND THEN WE CAN BE EXACT IN OUR RESPONSE.
WE THOUGHT WE COVERED IT, BUT WELL, SURE.
I'M, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED, YOU NEED EVEN NEEDED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY TO KNOW WHAT YOUR QUEUING IS.
I BET YOU, I BET YOU BETTER THAN THAT.
I BET YOU HAVE INTERNAL NUMBERS THAT DIDN'T NEED AN OUTSIDE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR QUEUING IS.
SEEMS LIKE QSR MAGAZINE SEEMS TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
WHAT YOU'RE QUEUING IS MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAID, WHAT THEY SAY.
BUT THE BIGGEST, BUT THE BIGGEST WAITING TIME 'CAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CARS.
BUT HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY PLACE IN, IN THE, UH, DATABASE OF, OF, UM, CHICK-FIL-A WHERE WE COULD FLAG THE ONES THAT ARE, THAT WOULD HAVE MORE THAN, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN PICK A NUMBER, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FIVE TIMES A YEAR, OVER 40 OR 50.
IS THERE A WAY OF FINDING THAT OUT AT ALL? DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF DATABASE THAT WOULD SHOW, SHOW US THAT? BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH JUST HAVING FOUR.
I MEAN, TO, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
SO, SO THE MOST DATA THAT THAT CHICK-FIL-A HAS IS TRANSACTIONAL DATA.
THAT'S WHAT THEY KEEP TRACK OF.
NOT NECESSARILY HOW MANY CARS ARE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT OUT AND OBSERVED.
BUT WHILE HE WAS CHATTING HERE, I JUST LOOKED UP A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THE FOUR SITES OF WHY EXACTLY WE CHOSE THOSE SITES.
AND THEY'RE BEST COMPARED TO OUR SITE HERE, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT, SAME SIZE OF BUILDING, SAME ORIENTATION.
BUT THESE HAVE THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT WAS ROLLED OUT THROUGH C-O-V-I-D WITH THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND THE DRIVE THROUGH CANOPIES.
DO THEY ALSO HAVE THE PERSON STANDING THERE WITH THE THEY DO.
WHICH MAY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, TWO FULL LANE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
BUT THE TIMING IS WHAT'S CRITICAL HERE.
TO HELP WITH YOUR QUESTION TOO, OF HOW LONG DOES GRAND OPENING LAST, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE, ARE THESE STABILIZED RATES? HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT GRAND OPENING.
I'M WILLING TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE IN THAT.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONGOING OPERATION.
SO HENRIETTA NEW YORK HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH STACK CAPACITY OF 24 SPACES.
AND IT WAS OPENED IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.
CLAY NEW YORK HAS 22 DRIVE-THROUGH STACKING SPACES OPENED IN APRIL, 2021.
MANCHESTER, CONNECTICUT HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH STACK OF 29 SPACES.
AND THEN EDISON NEW JERSEY HAS A 30 DRIVE THROUGH STACK OPENED IN DECEMBER 21.
THIS DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED WAS MAY OF 22.
SO THAT'S ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER WHERE IT STABILIZED.
AND THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE'RE USING YEAH.
AND THEN THERE WAS A SAMPLE SITE THAT WAS ANALYZED IN THE RESPONSE, UH, TO COMETS.
AND WHEN THE LANES, OR I THINK IT WAS A GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE SHOWING
AND WHEN STACKING WENT BEYOND THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE, THEY WERE KIND OF MEANDERING IT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
THE THE IMAGE DATE IS DURING COVID AND WHETHER THERE'S NO PARKING SPACES BEING UTILIZED, THE DINING ROOMS WERE CLOSED.
SO ALL THE DINING ROOMS WERE CLOSED DURING THAT PERIOD.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO STACK THROUGH
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THE PARKING SPOTS BECAUSE NOBODY WAS USING THE PARKING SPOTS AT THAT TIME.EVERYBODY WAS USING THE DRIVE THROUGH.
I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF, OF THIS.
THIS, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S LET, LET'S FIND, LET'S
I'LL, I'LL FIND OUT THE EXACTLY.
YEAH, I'LL GET THE EXACT DETAILS.
DO WE, GOING BACK LET'S PEOPLE COMMENT FIRST I WOULD SAY IF YOU CAN STACK CLOSE TO 60, GIVEN ALL THE OTHER PARKING SPACES YOU STILL HAVE, YOU COULD PROBABLY FIT A HUNDRED.
I MEAN, YOU COULD ALWAYS DO OVERFLOW THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? 'CAUSE I WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO GO OVER BEFORE
UH, ONE OTHER ITEM, JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE.
SINCE THE TIME WE MADE OUR SUBMISSION, WE DID GET SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS FROM NEW YORK STATE DOT.
AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE.
SOME OF 'EM ARE VERY DETAILED ABOUT THE CURB RAMPS AND THE PED PUSH BUTTONS AND THE UPGRADES THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
UM, THE, THE MAIN ITEMS, I, I WOULD BRING UP SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPENING PLAN.
AND WE PROVIDED THEM, UH, WITH THE COPY OF THE DRAFT MANAGEMENT PLAN, BRING UP THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM AND THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS TO TRY TO GET THIS ADAPTIVE SYSTEM BACK FUNCTIONING AGAIN.
ONE POINT, AND IT MAY BE ON PARTLY OUR DIME
AND THEY ASKED US ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
THEY REALIZED WE WERE MOVING THE DRIVEWAY IN.
OH, KENSICO AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.
BUT THEY SAID, IS THAT CRITICAL, UH, IN TERMS OF THEY WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THAT LEFT TURN RESTRICTION SHOULD BE KEPT IN PLACE.
THEY WERE OPEN AND, YOU KNOW, OUR RE OUR INITIAL, BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION.
OUR INITIAL RESPONSE WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE.
WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE WOULD ASK YOU A QUESTION THOUGH.
WERE THEY, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T ANSWER THIS, BUT WERE THEY LESS INCLINED TO, TO, UH, ENFORCE THE RESTRICTION IF IT WAS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION? UM, THEY WERE OPEN TO, THEY UNDERSTOOD THE SHIFTING AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.
IF YOU LEFT IT, IF YOU HAD LEFT IT, IF I LEFT IT WHERE IT WAS, THEY, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
AND THEY AT LEAST INITIALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF THE ADDED LANE THAT WE'RE DOING THE LEFT TURN LANE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER DETAILS WERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOW THE HIGHWAY BOUNDARY EXACTLY.
ON THE PLAN AND, AND OTHER FINE DETAILS.
SO WE, WE WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A COPY OF OUR RESPONSE TO THOSE PRELIMINARY COMMENTS AND ALSO GET 'EM TO YOUR CONSULTANT.
BUT WE, WE DID, WE WERE ABLE TO AT LEAST GET THEM STARTING TO LOOK AT IT.
SO THE REGIONAL OFFICE IS FAMILIAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW IN YONKERS, UH, AT THAT LOCATION.
SO THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
AND AGAIN, THOSE WERE JUST INITIAL COMMENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE HEAR FROM MR. CANNING? I JUST WANNA SAY, I WANNA COMMEND YOU ON THE CHANGES THAT I THINK ARE EXCELLENT AND A BIG IMPROVEMENT, BOTH IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING IT ONE WAY SO YOU'RE MINIMIZING THE FRICTION AND PEOPLE BACK INTO EACH OTHER AND ALLOWING THE FLEXIBILITY OF THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL STACKING ALONG THE WEST.
THE OTHER THING, BY THE WAY, ABOUT MOVING, MOVING THE DRIVEWAY DOWN, IT'S NOT ACROSS FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET ANYMORE.
CORRECT? THEY WERE, THEY WERE LINED UP COMPLETELY BEFORE.
SO, SO THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE TOO.
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE TAKING LEFT INS INTO WHATEVER CORRECT.
JOHNNY, ARE YOU WITH US STILL AWAKE? YES, STILL AWAKE.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, NOT EVEN THE SHAKE OF THE EVENING YET.
I, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
HOW ARE YOU? I'M WELL, THANK YOU.
UH, FOR, FOR THE RECORD, JOHN CANNING WITH KENNEDY HORNE.
I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE HABITS OF CHICK-FIL-A CUSTOMERS SOUTH OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER LINE YOU WANNA CALL IT, DOWN THERE.
SO WHERE, WHEREVER MR. SIMON, UH, SAW THE CHICK-FIL-A'S I REALLY CAN'T COMMENT.
I HAVE REVIEWED THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED FROM, UH, A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS AROUND, UM, LET'S CALL IT THE NORTHEAST.
I ALSO DID BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION FROM NORWALK AND FROM, I THINK IT WAS RAMSEY OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT.
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THAT THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE INDICATED AND THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED MATCH UP PRETTY WELL.AND THEY HAVE IT SET UP WITH THE NEW ANGLED PARKING AND THE ABILITY TO EXTEND THE STACKING ONTO THE WEST SIDE AND ELIMINATE THE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE MAXIMUM PROJECTED STACKING.
UM, PARTICULARLY IF THIS FACILITY TENDS TO BE MORE OF A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO A SIT DOWN FACILITY, WHICH IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY PROPOSING 74 SEATS TOTAL.
I THINK IT'S 54 INDOORS AND 20 OUTDOORS, WHERE THEIR NORMAL STANDARD IS 150.
SO THEY SEEM TO BE LEANING TOWARDS THE DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH IS WHAT THE, THE REVISED PLAN REFLECTS.
I DO THINK, UH, THAT THE GRAND OPENING PLAN IS CRITICAL.
UH, I THINK IT HAS BEEN ADVANCED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UH, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, UH, WHETHER THE USE OF THE EMPLOYEE LOT AS A BACKSTOP OR A BACKSTOP IS IN THERE.
I I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHETHER THE EMPLOYEE SATELLITE PARKING IS IN THERE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE, PHIL SAID IT IS, AND PHIL'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A AMOUNT OF HIS WORDS, I'M SURE IT'S THERE.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THE, UH, GRAND OPENING PLAN, IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, SHOULD BE MEMORIALIZED ON A STANDALONE DOCUMENT SO THAT THE STORE MANAGER HAS IT AND THE TEAM HAS IT, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO.
IF THEY SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT WORKING.
IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CARVED IN STONE, BUT IT'S A STARTING POINT.
AND WHEN THEY GO TO START THIS THING UP, THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST START, START WITH THAT.
AND THEY COULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF THEY COULD MAKE IT BETTER.
THE KEY IN MY MIND IS HOW LONG IT NEEDS TO BE IN EFFECT.
AND MY POSITION, I THINK WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE OPERATIONS ON THE SITE SPILLING OUT ONTO THE STREET.
AND NOR NOR WOULD WE WANT OPERATIONS ON THE SITE TURNING INTO A FREE FOR ALL THAT COULD PROVOKE INJURY OR HARM.
AND I'M SURE, UH, CHICK-FIL-A DOESN'T WANT THAT EITHER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO REQUIRE THAT THE GRAND OPENING PLAN STAY IN EFFECT UNTIL THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE SITE CAN STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE GRAND OPENING PLAN.
AND SO THOSE ARE MY PRIMARY FINDINGS.
I DID, UM, PROVIDE YOU WITH A THREE AND A HALF PAGE LETTER.
SO IT WAS, WELL, LESS THAN A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING PAGES THAT CHICK-FIL-A PROVIDED.
AND I, I DID NOTE THAT, UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF AN ALTERNATE PLAN.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT, UM, THIS FACILITY FOR SOME REASON IS LESS DRIVE THROUGH INCLINED AND MORE SIT DOWN INCLINED, UH, THAT PLAN COULD EASILY BE IMPLEMENTED.
I'M MAKING IT SOUND SUPER EASY, BUT IT REALLY IS ONLY PAINT.
IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, UH, THE OPERATOR SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE MORE, WE'RE MORE IN THE, IN RESTAURANT DINING THAN DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, AND I THINK THE LAST THING I SAID IS I WOULD, IF THIS PLAN, IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE A, UH, POST OPENING TRAFFIC STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPERATING IN, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH EXPECTATIONS AND TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, MEASURES THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO MAKE IT, UH, COME BACK INTO A PLAN COMPLIANCE IF IT IS NOT.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE, UH, THE ISSUES.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, THANKS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS.
THANKS FOR STAYING UP PAST YOUR BEDTIME.
AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR JOHN? YEAH, CORRECT.
UM, YEAH, JOHN, I THINK WHAT YOU SAY, UH, COMPLIANT MICRO, SORRY,
SO COMPLIANT PLAN, WHAT DOES THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AND HOW LONG, UH, THAT, UH, SHOULD BE IN EFFECT TO BE VALID COMPLIANT PLAN? SO, SO A A COMPLIANT PLAN IS, UM, LET, LET'S PUT IT LIKE THIS.
THEY, THEY OPEN, THEY START THE, UH, THEY OPEN, THEY HAVE THE GRAND OPENING PLAN.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE THEIR FOLKS OUT THERE AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR THEM.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED, OKAY, I'VE TRIED IT, IT'S GOOD, I'LL COME BACK WHEN THERE'S LESS PEOPLE THERE.
RIGHT? AND SO NOW WE HAVE THEIR, THEIR GO TEAM ARE STILL THERE, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING A QUEUE OF 40 VEHICLES, THEY'VE GOT A QUEUE OF 25 VEHICLES AND IT'S IN THE QUEUE AREA.
SO AT THAT POINT, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WOULD BE CONDITIONED.
THEY COULD, UH, INFORM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN MONITORING ACTIVITIES AND THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH QUEUE HAS NOT EXCEEDED THE DRIVE-THROUGH AREA.
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HAS NOT EXCEEDED THE PARKING AREA IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS.AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCONTINUE THE, THE GO PLAN, THE GRAND OPENING PLAN, AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR COULD DO A COUPLE OF DRIVE-BYS AT KEY TIMES AND MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT YEP, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND, AND HE COULD RELEASE THEM FROM THAT.
YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A PROVISION THAT IF IT HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPRING PEOPLE DECIDED THAT THEY LIKED CHICK-FIL-A DRIVE THROUGH MORE THAN THEY DID IN THE WINTER.
AND IT WAS AN ISSUE, AGAIN, THE BUILDING AND SOMEBODY INFORMED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR COULD, UM, INFORM MANAGEMENT AND THEY COULD HAVE, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THE MEASURES THAT THEY HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTING.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, CORRECT.
BRIEFLY, UH, I DIDN'T GET A CLEAR HOW WHO WILL DECIDE TO BE DEVELOPED.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER.
I BELIEVE THE CONDITIONS WILL WORK.
WE WE'D HAVE TO WORK THE CORRECT.
I, I, I THINK, I THINK JOHN JOHN'S, UH, GOT A BASIC PLAN.
I I DON'T SEE ANY, OH, MY GOD'S COMING FROM, FROM OUR, OUR APPLICANT TONIGHT THAT THEY'LL WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL CONDITION SOMETHING THAT BOTH THE APPLICANT AND US WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO KNOW TOO, FOR PLANNING IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VOLUME PEAKS ARE AND WHEN IT TRAILS OFF.
'CAUSE YOU MAY NEED THE GRAND OPENING LONGER.
YOU MAY NEED IT FOR LESS TIME.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THE PLACE OPENS.
AND, AND JUST I WANTED TO MENTION ONE THING TO CONSIDER IN THAT, UM, THOUGHT IS THE INTENT IS FOR THIS MANUAL TO BE ON SITE AT ALL TIMES.
SO EVEN AFTER A GRAND OPENING PERIOD, IF, IF THERE WAS A PEAK, THE OPERATOR CAN PULL THIS OUT AND GO, YOU KNOW, CONE OFF THOSE PARKING SPOTS.
SO IT SAYS, IF, IF YOU'RE GETTING A CONSISTENT, LIKE 31 CARS A DAY, CONSIDER DOING THIS IN A, IN A PEAK.
SO YOU GOT TO, YOU WOULD DO THAT, THAT AS PART, RIGHT? SO, OKAY.
SO WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO REACT PRETTY FAST IN THAT.
YOU CAN'T CALL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SAY, HEY, COME, COME APPROVE THAT.
SO JUST CONSIDER THAT IN THE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF DOING THAT LANE THAT WAY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA WHEN IT CAME UP, IS IT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE ABERRATION.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT.
AND SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO REACT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY, WE'RE PRETTY RESPONSIVE IN TOWN HALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, 12 O'CLOCK HE MAY BE IN THE QUEUE.
SO MAYBE THERE DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE A TIME RESTRAINT ON THE GRAND OPENING PERIOD BECAUSE IT, IT'S JUST THERE.
WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO DO IS COME UP WITH A THRESHOLD BY WHICH YOU DON'T NEED, IT WOULD NOT, YOU, YOU COULD BACK OFF OF IT.
'CAUSE THE GRAND OPENING IS, AS JOHN SAID, AND PHIL, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO, IS NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE, THE IDEA OF SATELLITE PARKING, EMPLOYEE PARKING, POTENTIALLY SURE.
AND, AND THAT, THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF PRE-PLANNING.
YOU CAN'T JUST TURN THAT ON AND TURN THAT OFF.
UH, JUST IN OUR RESPONSE LETTER ON PAGE FOUR, ON THE, UH, ITEM THREE, UH, WE, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, OFFSITE PARKING AND THE SHUTTLES JUST SIR FOR REFERENCE THERE, RIGHT? AND THEN WE, WE DID MENTION THAT AS PART OF THE COORDINATION WITH THE TOWN, UH, WE COULD PROVIDE MONTHLY REPORTS DURING THE FIRST YEAR.
YOU KNOW, GETTING TO YOUR POINT ABOUT SEASONALITY MM-HMM.
BUT AS TIM POINTS OUT, ONCE WE HAVE THIS GRANT OPENING PLAN, IT, THE MANUAL THAT'S GONNA BE THERE IS TO GO TO, IF ANYTHING DEVELOPS BECAUSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT MESS EITHER.
THEY DON'T WANT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE CALL CALLING UP HEADQUARTERS AND, AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S MUTUAL INTEREST AT THAT POINT.
JOHN SAID SOMETHING THAT THIS, UH, MIGHT BE THE WAY TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHY I'M SEEING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHARLOTTE AND HERE.
UH, JOHN SAID, WELL, HE'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DIET OF PE UH, PEOPLE IN THIS.
HE'S SCARED TO GO BOWL MASON DIXON IN THE SOUTH.
AND, AND, AND JUST THAT FRIED CHICKEN IS A MUCH BIGGER PART OF THE SOUTHERN DIET THAN IT IS IN THE NORTHERN DIET.
SO THAT MIGHT BE, AND I'M QUITE SURE YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU MUST HAVE SOME MARKETING DATA TO DO.
IF YOU DO HAVE ANY SORT OF MARKETING DATA ON THAT, I'D BE INTERESTED IN GETTING IT.
I TEXT MY FRIEND, BUT I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER BACK ABOUT THE ADDRESS.
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SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A, A, A, UM, DIETARY CUSTOM OR CULTURAL, A CULTURAL DIFFERENCES WHERE FRIED CHICKEN IS MUCH, IF I MAY, ISN'T THAT THEIR BUSINESS? HUH? LIKE, THEY WOULD KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.THAT'S, I'M SAYING THEY'RE MARKETING.
YOUR MARKETING PEOPLE MUST HAVE SOME DATA ON THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PUTTING THEM HERE.
SO I'D BE INTERESTED IF YOU HAVE THAT DATA TO KNOW WHAT IT IS AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE ADDRESS ISSUE.
I JUST RANG A BELL WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.
NO, I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK WE'VE COVERED IT.
OKAY, SO THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, I WANT TO LET'S THE BOARD, UH, DECIDES DIFFERENTLY HERE.
UH, MY RECOMMENDATION, WILL WE GO TO THE PUBLIC, WE CONTINGENT ON, ON WHATEVER GARRETT SAYS, WE NOTICE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB, JOHN.
THANK YOU TOO, BY THE WAY, UM, FOR YOUR ANALYSIS TONIGHT.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE ALL THE WAY ALONG.
I THINK IT'S TIME TO GET SOME, SOME INPUT FROM THE, FROM THE PUBLIC.
AT WHICH POINT, ONCE WE HAVE THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND HAVE THE OPINION THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT OTHER ISSUE, UM, WE WILL, WE'D MAKE A COMMEND.
ASSUMING EVERYTHING'S OKAY, WE, WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
IIII HAVE ONE COMMENT AND I KNOW, THANK YOU.
YOU'RE GONNA GET US A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY LETTER THAT WE ALL GOT YESTERDAY.
YOU DON'T NEED, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADE UP FROM THERE.
YOU CAN INCORPORATE PREVIOUS RESPONSES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
NUMBER TWO, I'D LIKE TO GET SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM GARRETT.
REGARDING, YEAH, WE'RE PLANNING GOOD.
AND I WANT TO, I ACTUALLY ASKED HER BY THE EIGHTH, SO I'LL GET YOU RIGHT IN A SECOND TIME, UH, BY THE EIGHTH SO THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DIGEST IT BEFORE THE MEETING.
THE EIGHTH YOU SAID? NOVEMBER 8TH? YES.
NO, IF YOU COULD, YES, BECAUSE I, WE WANT, I WANT EVERYBODY TO, TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY READ IT.
'CAUSE IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE A, WE MAY HAVE A PRE-MEETING.
IT MAY EVEN HAVE TO BE AN, IN AN EXECUTIVE MEETING.
I'M NOT, IT'S, IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE.
UM, PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
IT DEPENDS WHAT, SO JUST TO RECAP FOR THE EIGHTH, UM, RESPONSE TO THE COUNTY LETTER COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STUFF, UH, IF WE COULD GET THE ADDRESS TO THAT NORTH CAROLINA SITE, I'LL GET THAT ADDRESS SOON ENOUGH.
WE CAN GENERATE THAT RESPONSE.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, IS THERE A, A HIGHER CONSUMPTION OF FRIED CHICKEN IN, IN THE, THE SOUTH VERSUS THE NORTH AND DOT? ANY DOT INFORMATION THAT MAY BE HELPFUL AND ALSO, UM, ANY INFORMATION? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH WHITE PLAINS SINCE THE LAST MEETING AS WELL, BUT ANYTHING FROM DOT OR WHITE PLAINS I THINK WOULD BE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING ELSE WITH WHITE PLAINS.
UH, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET A INTO A POSITION.
I THINK PROBABLY THE ZBA REFERRAL WILL BE WHEN I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT ANY SIGNIFICANT SITE PLAN CHANGES.
WELL, WELL, WELL, WHAT WE, WE'D LIKE.
I, JOE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
UM, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WOULD BE IN COMMUNIC.
WE'VE ASKED, IT'D BE NICE IF THEY'D BE IN COMMUNICATION FOR US.
'CAUSE IF THEY HAVE A RED FLAG, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW IT NOW BEFORE WE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? DOT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHITE PLAINS.
I CAN UM, CALL COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.
THE COMMISSIONER SHOULD CALL AARON OR OR GARY GARRETT.
WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THIS IS TAKING A LOT OF OUR TIME AND WE'VE GOT A REAL TIGHT SCHEDULE.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA RAISE A RED FLAG, YOU'RE GONNA SLOW THIS DOWN.
IT'S GONNA FIGURE INTO OUR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW WHAT WE, HOW WE WANNA PROCEED, BUT IF THEY PUT A MONKEY WRENCH INTO IT, I WANT TO KNOW THAT TOO, TOO.
ALRIGHT, HUGH, CAN YOU STATE FOR THE RECORD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND SURE.
PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU'VE USED THAT TERM.
PUBLIC HEARING IS ACTUALLY WHEN THE, THE APPLICATION IS UP FOR REVIEW.
AND THE, WE'RE USING THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC TO, TO CONSIDER, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR FINAL DECISION.
RIGHT? AND IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T, WE REALLY COULD GO TO THE ZONING BOARD WITHOUT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
HOWEVER, GIVEN THIS IS A VERY HIGH FILE, HOW HIGH PROFILE PROJECT, WE FELT IT WAS BETTER.
BETTER FOR YOU TOO TO GET OUT.
WHATEVER'S GONNA COME OUT FROM THE PUBLIC AS SOON AS IT COMES OUT.
UH, IS IT SOONER THAN LATER? BECAUSE IT COULD FACTOR INTO A LOT OF THINGS.
IT'D BE BETTER TO ADDRESS IT EARLIER, WHICH IS WHY WE
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DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE, IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT EARLIER.NO, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I'M ACTUALLY STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES DO IT THAT WAY.
THAT AARON, DOES IT WORK THE SAME WAY THAT YOU SEND OUT ALL THESE SO, UH, LIKE IT'LL, WE'RE GONNA, THERE'S, IT'S GONNA BE NOTICED.
IF YOU GET TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, IT'LL GET NOTICED.
SO THAT'S GONNA, THATS VERY, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE.
WE'LL HAVE THAT PREPARED TOMORROW.
AND THAT'S FOR NOVEMBER 15TH? THAT'LL BE FOR NOVEMBER 15TH.
AND I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GONNA ADD, I TAKE FIVE MINUTES IF THERE'S TIME TO MAKE ANY REFINEMENTS TO THE, I'M THINKING THE GRAND OPENING PLAN IN FAIRNESS TO THIS GUY.
SO JUST WANT, COULD YOU LET US KNOW BRIEFLY IN WRITING WITH THE STATUS OF THE WHITE PLAINS APPLICATION IS? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE NOT YET APPLIED.
UM, WE'VE MET WITH THE CITY AND THE REASON WE HAVEN'T YET, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, APPLIED IS 'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU GET A PINGING PONG EFFECT.
UH, WE'D MAKE CHANGES ON THE GREENBURG SIDE, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE WHITE PLAINS SIDE.
NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN, I THINK YOU ACTUALLY MENTIONED THIS, THE BC BUT IT'S, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT NOW THAT WE'RE TAKING UP AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME.
IT WOULD BE BETTER TO KNOW IF THE, I CAN'T SEE WHY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS, BUT I'M NOT THE WHITE PLAIN'S PLANNING BOARD EITHER.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHATEVER ISSUES OR NON-ISSUES OR, YEAH, SURE.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING, THIS PLAN LOOKS GOOD TO US, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT SOONER THAN LATER.
'CAUSE I THINK BARRING ANY SURPRISES, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGES IN MIND.
YEAH, NO, I, UH, THERE ISN'T A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE WHITE PLAINS PORTION OF THIS, OF THIS, EXCEPT MAYBE DURING THE GRAND OPENING.
AND THAT WAS THEIR POINT THROUGH THE WORKSHOP.
THEY SAID, OKAY, LET LET YOU GUYS TAKE POINT.
THE MAJORITY OF, I MEAN, GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
LIKE IF IT'S MAJORITY IN, IN ONE, IN ONE MUNICIPALITY.
THIS IS MY THIRD TIME WITH A PROPERTY IN GREENBERG.
I DON'T THINK WE EVER HAD, I CAN'T REMEMBER IN OUR TIME, IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON THE BLUE, WE'VE EVER HAD ONE WITH WHITE PLAINS.
WE'VE HAD LEY, ALSER, NEW YORKERS, I THINK.
OH, WE HAD, YEAH, WE HAD THAT GAS STATION IN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
OH, THAT WAS THE CHARGING, THE CHARGING STATIONS.
THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S DOWN, I GUESS IT'S ROUTE 100, IT'S ON 100.
GREENBURG WANTED THE SIGNS SMALLER, BUT WHITE PLAINS WANTED THEM BIGGER AND THEN WE, IT WAS QUITE A BATTLE, BUT WELL, THAT'S THAT.
YOU JUST PICK PROPERTIES THAT, THAT ARE MORE MUNICIPALITY.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
AND THEN COME BACK AND WE'RE GONNA FLIP TWO PROJECTS, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO'S BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME, AND THE OTHER ONE IS A TOWN ISSUE.
UM, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, OKAY.
SO, UH, WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR TKA HYUNDAI, PLEASE BE BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.
THIS IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
FOR INSTANCE, FOR SITE PLAN, UH, AND PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.
UM, PEOPLE SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S ON CENTRAL AVENUE ON THE EAST, EAST SIDE.
AGAIN,
IF YOU'VE EVER HAD A CHILD GO THERE, THAT'S WHERE CENTRAL PARK DANCE IS.
THINGS USED TO BE IN RESPONSE.
THEY USED TO BE A SCHOLASTIC STORE AND A CHOCOLATE STORE.
AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE THERE NOW.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REPURPOSE IT.
UM, THE HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP, UH, IS CURRENTLY IN THE OLD, IS STILL IN THE OLD BARNES AND NOBLE, UH, BUILDING ON CENTRAL AVENUE BY, WHAT'S THAT? NORTH WASHINGTON OR NORTH WASHINGTON? SOUTH WASHINGTON SOUTH, THANK YOU.
SOUTH WASHINGTON COMES IN AND DON'T HAVE MY COMP.
MY GPS WITH ME, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, COMES IN AND, AND HAS RUN OUTTA SPACE.
THEY NOT ONLY HAVE THAT SPACE, BUT THEY ARE LEASING SPACE BEHIND THE, THE FOUNTAIN DINER AND, AND THAT WHOLE AREA.
AND BEHIND, UH, BONSAI, THEY, THEY'RE, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS.
UM, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR, FOR ABOUT, UH, FIVE OR 10 MINUTES.
AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM INITIAL FEEDBACK TONIGHT.
WE'VE GOT 30 MINUTES MAXIMUM TO THIS TONIGHT.
AND, UM, ZACH PEARSON ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT TEAM.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT.
I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A, A, A LONG MEETING AND, UH, WE WON'T TAKE ANYWHERE NEAR 30 MINUTES.
UM, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU, UH, LETTING US WALK YOU THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
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UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU SET IT UP NICELY.UH, I THINK AT THIS POINT I'LL JUST LET ZACH GO THROUGH THE, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS.
UH, I GUESS THE APPLICANT IS TAG HOLDINGS, WHICH IS THE TASKS OF FAMILY.
AND, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, THEY'RE LOOKING TO RELOCATE THE HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP TO A LARGER SITE.
AND THAT SITE IS FOUR 50 CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND, UH, ZACH, IF YOU WANNA SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN PREPARED, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS HELEN MENTIONED, THERE'S, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, IN AN L SHAPE.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA PROPOSE TO DO TWO ADDITIONS, UH, FOR SERVICE, UH, CONVERT THE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO, UH, SHOWROOM PARTS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A, A SERVICE AREA.
YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A SERVICE, KIND OF A QUEUING SUMA TO THE NEWER, UH, DEALERSHIP.
SO YOU KIND OF DRIVE AND DROP YOUR CAR OFF AND THEN THE CARS WOULD COME OUT AND GET, YOU KNOW, PULLED INTO THE, TO THE LARGER SERVICE PART OF THE BUILDING.
UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE RENDERINGS HERE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE QUEUING IS IN THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE, THE, YOU PULL INTO THIS PART OF THE BUILDING HERE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD, THEY, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICE AT THAT POINT.
THE SERVICE PEOPLE TAKE YOUR CARS, RIGHT? THEY DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW.
DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL OF COURSE.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO REALLY NAIL DOWN HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS ALL WORKS.
AND WE'VE DONE A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE DID HAVE AN INITIAL CALL WITH STAFF, UM, TO THE VOICE.
WE ARE LOOKING INTO SOME OF THOSE RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING ONSITE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. UM, BUT HERE, I'LL, I'LL SWITCH OVER TO THAT.
CAN YOU ALL, CAN YOU GUYS ALL SEE THAT ONE? YES.
SO THAT SHOWS WHAT, WHAT WAS LABELED AS THE FUTURE SERVICE QING? CORRECT.
SO THE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE ENTRANCE, HERE'S THE SERVICE ENTRANCE.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S THIS, THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION.
UM, AGAIN, YOU PULL IN THE SERVICE BAY DOORS, THEY CAN COME IN AND TURN THE CARS.
THEY WOULD TAKE THE CARS OUT AND GET INTO THE, THE ACTUAL BAYS, UH, TO DO THE WORK ON THE SERVICE.
AND THAT BAY IS ON THE NORTH BASE.
THE, THIS WOULD BE THE WEST FACE.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE NORTH FACE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S JUST TO THE NORTH OF, UH, THAT BAY YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE NATURE CENTER, RIGHT? OH, HERE.
SO HERE, HERE'S, HERE'S AN AERIAL KIND OF ROTATING THE VIEW A LITTLE BIT.
SO NORTH IS UP TO PAGE, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION, THE ONE ADDITION WOULD SIT IN THIS AREA, UHHUH
AND WHAT'S TO THE NORTH OF YOU THERE ON CENTRAL? UH, ANOTHER COMMERCIAL? NO.
IS THAT YEAH, THAT IS, I BELIEVE THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S JOE MILL ROAD UP AT THE CORNER TO THE SOUTH.
I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BASED ON VIEW AND OKAY.
THAT'S KIND OF AN ELEVATED LOOK AT IT.
SO THE, UH, FOLKS DROPPING OFF THEIR VEHICLES FOR SERVICE WILL NOT BE MEANDERING AROUND TO THE REAR OF THE SITE BY ANY MEANS.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA PULL IN STRAIGHT IN, PULL, PULL STRAIGHT IN.
YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE A DIRECT CONNECTION INTERNALLY TO THE, TO THE BUILDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, MOST NEW DEALERSHIPS WHEN YOU GET, WHEN YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR IN THOSE CONTAINED DROP OFF AREAS, THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE INSIDE AND YOU'RE KIND OF WALK THROUGH EITHER WALKWAYS OR A DIRECT CONNECTION INTO A, A SEATING AREA INTERNALLY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO WAIT FOR YOUR CAR FOR THOSE THAT ARE GONNA WAIT.
UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD WANNA GO FIRST? YEAH, I GO, UM, I ASSUME THAT, UH, THE LOCATION OF THIS DEALERSHIP IS COMPLIANT BECAUSE SOME YEARS AGO WE SAID WE NEVER DID THE SEPARATION.
IT NEVER GOT IN THE LAW EVEN THOUGH WE RECOMMENDED IT.
AND THEN ONE OF THE CORNERS IS ON DRAW MALL ROAD ROAD.
AND WILL THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE SETTLEMENT THAT WE HAVE ON DRUM MALL ROAD? THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT IT AT ALL.
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WANT TO CONFIRM THAT.JUST TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN EXIT PLANNED FOR ONTO DRUM CUT ONTO OKAY.
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO SEE ENTRANCE ONTO CENTRAL AVENUE.
YOU WENT THROUGH YOUR LANDSCAPING PLAN AND, UM, THE, UH, THE PARKING THAT YOU SAID YOU'LL PARKED UP LIKE 300 CARS, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAINLY BE IN THE BACK BECAUSE THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FRONT WILL REMAIN AS IT IS, OR YOU'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES THERE, THERE TWO LEVELS OF PARKING IN THE FRONT.
YEAH, THERE'S TWO LEVELS THERE NOW.
THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE LEVELS.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD DO SIMILAR TO THE, THE, THIS APPLICANT'S PREVIOUS APPLICATION ON ANOTHER PROPERTY IN TOWN, YOU GUYS WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN FORM APPLICATION, WE'LL DESIGNATE STORAGE, CAR PARKING, YOU KNOW, UH, DISPLAY PARKING, CUSTOMER PARKING, YOU KNOW, IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODE AND ADA PARKING YEAH.
BUT BASICALLY THE, THE PARKING ARRANGEMENT WILL BE THE WAY IT IS NOW.
WHAT'S THE, I HOPE, WELL, WE WANT TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL THAN THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I FINISH.
YEAH, WE, WE'LL PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PUSHING OUT.
ANYBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW? CORT MICROPHONE COR
SO, UM, IS, IS ANY THOUGHT ON NOT HAVING, UH, THE EXTENSION TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL A ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE BECAUSE YOU ARE FACING TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO, TO NORTH OF YOU WHEN YOU DO THIS BIG, HUGE EXTENSION? AND IS THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATE SO THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE THIS BIG HUGE BOX THAT PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING FROM? THEIR WINDOWS? THE REAR? YEAH, THE, THE, THE ADDITION IS JUST THE GARAGE DOOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S ADDITION WITH THE, THE BUILDING EXTENSION, WITH THE GARAGE DOOR OPENING.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MULTIPLE, JUST ONE DOOR.
YOU KNOW HOW BIG THE TOTAL, UH, BOX'S WHAT, 10,000 SQUARE FEET? UH, THE FRONT? NO.
SO IT'S ABOUT, UH, 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S IS ANY OTHER ALTERNATE THAT YOU DON'T GO THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY? REMEMBER THE, UH, WE CAN TOPOGRAPHY, WE CAN LOOK, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
UM, IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF TRYING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S, IT IS AN INTERESTING SITE AS FAR AS HOW THE BUILDING CERTAINLY STEPS.
UM, AND THE WHOLE SITE TERRACES DOWN.
AND TRY TO WORK IN THAT EXISTING L SHAPE UNDERSTAND TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE NEEDS OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT AND THE CAR DEALER.
SO, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF SEEMED TO WORK AND WE COULD SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING IN ANY SETBACKS, RIGHT, ZACH? CORRECT.
AND WHAT'S THERE NOW IT LOOKS LIKE SOME KIND OF PATIO OR SEATING AREA IN THAT AREA WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE ADDITION? NO.
OR IS IT JUST GROUND? I FROM THE AERIAL, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S A, YEAH, LET ME, THERE'S A PARKING AREA THERE NOW.
SO IT'S, IT IS LIKE A PARTIAL, PARTIALLY PARKING AREA.
LOADING AREA, I BELIEVE THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
YEAH, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN IF YOU WANT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE? YEAH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME BARKING IN THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF LOADING GOING ON THERE.
SO BUILD THAT BUILDING COMES OUT OVER INTO THIS AREA, I GUESS, TO HELP, TO HELP KOREA.
IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND THE DISTANCE FROM SURE.
THE END OF THE NEW BUILDING TO WHATEVER THAT RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IS AND WHETHER THERE EVEN ANY WINDOWS FACING THAT DIRECTION.
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PROBABLY.WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A REALLY LARGE RETAINING WALL THERE NOW.
UM, AND THEY'RE ABOVE US BY A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT IF I LOOK AT THEIR ROOF.
SO THE, HERE'S A, HERE'S A COPY OF THE SURVEY.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TOP OF THEIR WALL IS, THEY'RE UP AT 10 FEET ABOVE THAT ELEVATION.
AND HOW TALL IS THE, THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING OF THE BUILDING? YOUR BUILDING? UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN FINAL ARCHITECTURE YET.
I'M NOT SURE HOW TALL THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE.
BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA LOOM OVER THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY NO, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE WAY OVER.
BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, THEY'RE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IS THEY'RE FENCING ON TOP OF THAT WALL SOLID FENCING.
THERE IS, THERE IS A, THERE IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE SHOWN THERE NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOLID OR NOT, BUT THERE IS ONE ON SURVEY, SO THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO SCREEN IT SOMEWHERE WITH TA.
I AM GOING TO BE BLATANTLY HONEST ABOUT WHAT I, WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE THIS LOCATION IS NOW.
I THINK IT IS GROSSLY OVER PARKED.
IT LOOKS LIKE A USED CAR LOT THAT WENT WRONG BECAUSE THE CARS GET TIMES ARE TWO TO THREE DEEP THERE.
IT IS NOT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP WHATSOEVER WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY.
UM, WE'VE HAD TO, AT LEAST ON A FEW OCCASIONS THINK IT MAY BE BEFORE THE CURRENT OWNER, UM, HAD TO REQUEST THEY REMOVED CARS FROM THE DRIVEWAY 'CAUSE THEY HAD 'EM IN THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE CENTRAL AVENUE AT ONE POINT, AND YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARS PARKED BEHIND BONSAI AND THE FOUNTAIN DINER.
WHAT IS THE CAPACITY ON THE SITE VERSUS THE CURRENT CAPACITY, INCLUDING THOSE LEASE LOTS THAT YOU HAVE BEHIND THE DINER AND BEHIND, UH, THE JAPANESE RESTAURANT? SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU ARE TALKING NOW ABOUT ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE, CORRECT? YES.
UM, SO WE, WE INDICATED IN OUR LETTER TO THE BOARD THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S 60 TO A HUNDRED CARS PARKED AT, UH, ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND THAT SITE IS ONE THIRD OF THE SIZE, UM, OF, OF THIS FOUR 50 CENTRAL AVENUE SITE.
SO IS THERE, WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CAN WE GIVE YOU? THE SETTLE, YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CARS THAT ARE NOT ON THAT SITE.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE PARKED BEHIND FOUNTAIN DINER AND THEY'RE PARKED BEHIND BONSAI.
WHICH IS QUITE CONVENIENT TO USE IN THERE.
PLUS, I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE, THE WAY YOU'RE PARKING THEM NOW TO ME IS UNACCEPTABLE.
WHEN YOU MOVE WHERE YOU'RE PARKING THEM THREE AND FOUR DEEP, I EVEN YOUR SI KNOW THE SERVICE CAR, SOME OF THEM ARE CARS IN FOR SERVICE, NOT FOR SALE CARS.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL LICENSE PLATES IN THE CARS.
THEY'RE STACKED TWO AND THREE DEEP.
AND THEN I IDENTIFYING THE VARIOUS RIGHT.
YEAH, I, WELL, THERE'S ONE MISSING, WHICH IS PARKING FOR THE YOGA STUDIO.
WHERE, WHERE'S THEIR PARKING AND HOW DO THEY GET THERE? YEAH.
ONE, SO FIRST OF ALL, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND TOTAL CAPACITY, AND IF, IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE ALL THE CARS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT SITE PLUS THE SATELLITE SITE SITES, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT 'EM? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU, WHAT KIND OF CARS? SO WHAT, YOU KNOW BETWEEN CARS FOR SALE, CUSTOMER CARS, SERVICE CARS, YOU PLAN TO PARK IN EACH PART, PART OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR TIERS, NOT, NOT THREE ON YOUR DRAWING.
FIVE, IF YOU INCLUDE THAT, FIVE ROWS, FOUR TIERS.
UM, AND THIRD, YOU STILL ARE GONNA ALLOW THE YOGA STUDIO TO OPERATE.
UH, HOW DO THEY GET TO THE, THE YOGA STUDIO, GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE SERVICE? WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND WHERE DO THEY PARK? I DON'T SEE ANY SPACES DESIGNATED FOR THE YOGA STUDIO.
I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THE YOGA STUDIO STUFF.
BUT, UM, THERE'S, WE, WE HAD SHOWN THE CON PLAN.
THERE WAS SOME PARKING IN THE BACK WITH THE, WITH THE ENTRANCE.
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MARKED IT AND DIDN'T DRAW IT.I, I NEED TO KNOW IF, IF THAT'S ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE YOGA STUDIO.
AND IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING OUT A TREE.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING OUT AT LEAST ONE TREE TO DO THAT TWO.
I THINK THE INTENTION IS THERE'S PARKING THERE NOW.
I THINK, I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE.
I'M SURE YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN AND WE JUST NEED TO SEE IT
WHAT ABOUT THE STUFF WITH THE PARKING CAPACITY? UM, WHAT, YEAH, WE, WE'LL GET, WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU, FROM THE OWNER.
TWO OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU.
BUT TWO OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE FROM YOU.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DELIVER THE CAR, CARS TO THE PROPERTY? THE CARS ARE GOING TO BE DELIVERED ON THE, ON THE LARGE TRUCKS TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN OVER ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE BY ONE TO THIS STUDY.
AND YOU, YOU'LL AGREE TO THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, AND FINALLY, THE ISSUE OF SCREENING.
UM, YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
YOU'RE CLOSE TO ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE NATURE CENTER ACROSS THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ROBUST, UH, SCREENING PLAN FOR THE SIDE AND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
ALSO, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD, I WISH WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS.
IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANTED TO DISPLAY CARS AND I ASSUME THIS CAR'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR CARS FOR SALE, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO AT LEAST PUT UP SOME, MAYBE HIGH CANOPY TREES TO MAKE IT, GIVE IT AN ATTRACTIVENESS RATHER THAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE JUST ANOTHER LINE OF CARS IN THERE IF YOU CAN.
I ACTUALLY LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE, WITH THE BUILDING IN FRONT.
SO I THINK IT'S BIG, BIG IMPROVEMENT FOR THE EMPTY CREATIVE PLAY THINGS, WHICH HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR GOD KNOWS HOW YEARS.
BUT THE SCREENING IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ON THIS AS WELL.
AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT FOR PARKING OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS USED CARS, NEW CARS UP IN THAT REAR PART FIELD ADJACENT TO, UH, THE GNC PROPERTY LIKE YOU DID WITH THE ONE ON SOME RIVERS ROAD.
BUT LIKE YOU DID THAT OTHER SIDE, EVERYTHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS GUYS? WALTER? OH, I JUST WANT, UH, IN THE SCREENING YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SCREENING NOT AT THE CURVE LEVEL, BUT BEHIND THE FIRST ROW.
WE'RE THINKING MAYBE EVEN AT THE CURVE LEVEL.
BUT, BUT TALL ENOUGH TREES THAT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AFFECT PEOPLE SEEING THAT THERE CARS THERE, BUT JUST MAKE IT LOOK OKAY.
SCREENING FOR THE CARS IN THE BACK, THEN STRESS IT UP TOO.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING A SUBMISSION FROM YOU GUYS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING IT AND, AND COMING BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD.
WE'LL, WE'LL ENDEAVOR TO, WE'LL ENDEAVOR TO ADDRESS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
LESLIE WANTS US TO STAY AFTER SCHOOL TO DO, TO DO HER LAW.
YES, THAT'S EXACTLY, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS LONGER THAN THIS WAS THE ANALYSIS TRACK WAS THE QUEUING ANALYSIS DONE BY CHICK-FIL-A
IT'S THE ONLY THING LONGER THAN THIS WALK.
SETH, YOU WANT TO COME UP? YOU CAN SIT, YEAH, SIT.
UM, I'M PROUD TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT OUR FIRST LAW IN TERMS OF THAT.
YOU'LL BE LOOKING VERY SHORTLY IF, IF, UH, OUR, OUR FRIEND GARRETT IS ABLE TO, UH, CONVINCE THE TOWN BOARD NEXT NEXT WEEK AT THE ADU LAW FROM OUR OTHER, THE OTHER COMMITTEE THAT WE CREATED IN THE LAST YEAR.
I, I THINK THE WAY TO START, GUYS, BECAUSE THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING,
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BUT IT'S LONG TO READ.UM, IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, OF IT AND, UH, LESLIE, HOW DO YOU WANNA DO IT? YEAH.
SO I HAVE, UH, A POWERPOINT PREPARED.
UM, TO WALK THE BOARD THROUGH QUICKLY.
I'M ASKING, THIS IS A NEW LAPTOP AND APPARENTLY NOT ALL THE OFFICE TOOLS ARE ON IT YET, SO I'M ASKING NOT TO SHARE THE PDF VERSION OF THE POWERPOINT AND THEN I'LL WALK THE BOARD THROUGH IT.
I DON'T LOOK AT THAT'S APDF AND I CAN'T LOOK AT APDF.
SO, UM, WELL, WOULD IT BE IT'S FINE AS LONG AS WE, THIS, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW.
JUST TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW AND LESLIE, THEN ANY, ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, JUST
SO THE BOARD DID ALREADY TAKE ONE ACTION TONIGHT, UM, TO ISSUE, NO OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD'S, UH, LEAD AGENCY ATTEMPT.
SO THAT'S APPRECIATED AND WE WILL GET THAT BACK TO, UH, THE BOARD.
SO, MATT, IF UH, THANK YOU, YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT.
SO, UH, IN WORKING WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT MICROPHONE, WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS LOCAL LAWS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE ACTUALLY, UH, PRIMARILY IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS WELL AS OUR OWN LOCAL LAWS.
AND IDENTIFIED THAT THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, LOCAL LAW, WHICH WAS A TIER BASED UH, APPROACH TAKEN, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM, UH, LOCAL LAW.
SO WE FOLLOWED THAT AND LAID THINGS OUT IN A FOUR TIER, UH, SYSTEM.
SO TIER ONE BEING RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL ROOF ROOFTOP AND BUILDING MOUNTED SYSTEMS. TIER TWO BEING RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEMS, SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE, TIER THREE BEING NON-RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEMS, AGAIN, SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE.
AND THEN TIER FOUR, WHICH ARE, UH, DEDICATED TO THE LARGE SCALE GROUND MOUNT SYSTEMS OR YOU KNOW, WOULD TYPICALLY BE BE REFERRED TO AS SOLAR FARMS OR LARGE COMMUNITY SOLAR SYSTEMS. SO, UH, QUICKLY, AGAIN, I'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF SLIDES, BUT I'M GONNA WORK THROUGH THIS QUICKLY 'CAUSE I WANT TO PASS IT OFF TO, UH, OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND GET FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS.
SO TIER ONE AGAIN, RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP AND BUILDING MOUNTED SYSTEMS. A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE IN THE PHOTO OF SINGLE FAMILY AND, UH, COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP.
SO, UH, IN OUR CURRENT CODE, WHILE THE ROOFTOP SYSTEMS, UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE NOT CODIFIED.
UM, THERE ARE NO ZONING ORDINANCE BARRIERS TO THESE TYPES OF INSTALLATIONS.
AND THE APPLICATIONS PROCEED DIRECTLY TO A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND THAT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OVER A THOUSAND APPLICATIONS IN THE 10 YEAR PERIOD FROM 2012 TO 2022 DIRECTLY THROUGH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, WE DID WANNA CODIFY AND WE, WE HAVE PROPOSED TO DO SO AS PART OF THE TIER ONE.
UH, THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL CHANGE TO THE CURRENT LAYOUT AND PROCESS.
UM, IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CONTINUE TO BE, AND THERE WOULD BE A REQUIRED ADHERENCE TO ALL APPLICABLE NEW YORK STATE, COUNTY AND LOCAL REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS.
SO TIER ONE, IT'S JUST BASICALLY CODIFYING WHAT IS ALREADY PERMITTED.
SO THEN WE MOVE TO TIER TWO AS A, WHICH ARE THE RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNT ARRAYS.
THEY WOULD BE LOCATED ON PROPERTIES, UH, WITH AN EXISTING RESIDENCE AND WOULD CONSTITUTE A SOLAR ACCESSORY USE.
UM, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO CURRENT CODE, THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED, HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY ANY, UM, ZONING BARRIERS.
SO THEY ARE ALLOWED IN PRACTICE VIA BUILDING PERMIT AND UM, THERE ARE A FEW IN TOWN.
THERE'S ONE THAT YOU MAY RECALL THAT WAS ON OLD ARMY ROAD OLD.
SO THAT WAS PERMITTED SUBJECT TO THE ACCESSORY, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, AND SETBACKS AND WHATNOT.
UM, SO THE DRAFT LOCAL LAW PROPOSED PROPOSES TO CODIFY THESE AS TIER TWO SYSTEMS, UM, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING SETBACKS, HEIGHT, LIMITATIONS, LOCATION ON THE SITE, UH, SCREENING AND VISIBILITY FENCING, UH, COVERAGE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THESE WOULD FALL INTO THE ACCESSORY COVERAGE OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT.
SO WHILE OUR RESIDENT, ALL OUR ZONES HAVE, UM, ACCESSORY
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BUILDING COVERAGE STANDARDS AND THESE WOULD FALL INTO THAT.AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THAT THESE PANELS OR ARRAYS, YOU KNOW, DO CONCENTRATE STORMWATER RUNOFF.
SO THERE WOULD BE REQUIREMENTS TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE AND THEY WOULD BE FOR THOSE PURPOSES, CALCULATE OR CLASSIFIED AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? I KNOW I'M MOVING QUICKLY.
TIER THREE
THEY WOULD BE CONSTITUTED AS SOLAR ACCESSORY USES AS DEFINED, UM, IN THE LOCAL LAW.
AND UH, WE IDENTIFIED WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT SOLAR PARKING CANOPIES MAY BE A VERY BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
WE ALREADY DO HAVE SOME, UM, THIS IS ONE LOCATION ALONG WHITE PLAINS ROAD WHERE THERE WERE, UH, SOLAR ARRAYS PUT OVER EXISTING PARKING SPACES.
AND WE HAVE A FEW OTHER OTHERS IN TOWN.
SO CURRENT CODE, THERE ARE NO ZONING ORDINANCE BARRIERS IF ACCESSORY TO AN EXISTING PROPERTY USE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DO SEE THAT WE HAVE A FEW IN TOWN.
UH, THEY MUST CURRENTLY MEET MINIMAL, MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS AND UH, CAN PROCEED DIRECTLY TO A BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T REMOVE ANY PARKING REQUIRED BY CODE UNDER THE CURRENT, WITHOUT THE NEED TO GO FOR A PARKING REDUCTION OR A PARKING VARIANCE.
SO THE DRAFT LOCAL LAW PROPOSES TO CODIFY THESE AS TIER THREE SYSTEMS AND IT WOULD KIND OF BE SPLIT WITHIN THE TIER THREE.
SO, UM, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED ADMINISTRATIVELY UNDER THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW, UM, FOR A SYSTEM UP TO 1% OF THE GROSS LOT AREA OF A SITE OR 1000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SURFACE AREA, WHICH IS WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW THAT MIGHT LAY OUT THEN.
IF, IF AN APPLICANT WANTED TO EXCEED THOSE THRESHOLDS, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, UH, AS I SAID FOR A GREATER AMOUNT.
AND THESE SYSTEMS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO, UM, REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING AS MENTIONED BEFORE, SETBACKS HEIGHT SCREENING.
AND HERE, UM, WE WOULD REQUIRE 10 FOOT WIDE BUFFER WHEN, UH, SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND SITE PLAN PROCESS, UH, COVERAGE.
AGAIN, THESE WOULD BE TIED TO YOUR ACCESSORY COVERAGE.
STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SIMILAR TO TIER TWO, UH, AS WELL AS LIGHTING, FENCING AND SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS.
UH, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT ANY UTILITIES OR UTILITY CONNECTIONS WOULD BE UNDERGROUND WHERE FEASIBLE AND SOMETHING I SPOKE WITH THE CHAIRPERSON ABOUT.
AND THEN, UM, THEY WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN SECURITY ABANDONMENT AND DECOMMISSIONING REGULATIONS SIMILAR TO THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.
SO WE REVIEWED THAT WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UH, JUST GOING THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES JUST TO GIVE THE BOARD A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MIGHT BE PERMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW, MATT, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE IN MY VIEW IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO TELL.
SO THIS IS CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER IS ROUGHLY 1.181 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A HUGE SITE, BIGGER THAN I EVEN THOUGHT.
IF YOU TOOK THE 1% OF THE GROSS LOT AREA, YOU COULD GET A SYSTEM THAT'S ABOUT 11,000 AND CHANGE SQUARE FEET.
SO WE IDENTIFIED ON THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE SITE, WHAT IN A ROUGHLY 11,000 AND CHANGE SQUARE FOOT, UM, TIER THREE SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT AND REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE ANYTHING LARGER WOULD REQUIRE THAT SPECIAL PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON A LARGE SCALE SITE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING REASONABLE.
IT WOULD COVER, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30, MAYBE 40 PARKING SPACES.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OVER ROUGHLY A THOUSAND PARKING SPACES ON THAT.
IF WHAT IF THEY COME IN SEQUENTIALLY FOR A 999 SQUARE FOOT ONE AND THEN A YEAR LATER THEY COME IN FOR ANOTHER ONE? IS IT ON AN AGGREGATE? AGGREGATE? YEAH.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE LAW AS INACCURATE.
AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT AMONGST OURSELVES.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE QUICKLY, UH, WHICH I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 350,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE YOU COULD GET, UH, WITH THE 1%, ROUGHLY A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT ARRAY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS BEING THAT 1%.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE IDENTIFIED AN AREA TO THE REAR OF THE SITE, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, COULD ALSO BE IN THE FRONT OF THE SITE SUBJECT TO VARIOUS SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SOMETHING
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LIKE THAT WOULD OVERWHELM THE SITE FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.ANYTHING LARGER WOULD COME IN FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.
UM, YEAH, LET'S, UH, A SOLAR ARRAY THAT SIZE WOULD PROBABLY ONLY BE SERVICING A VERY SMALL PORTION OF IT.
SO IT, IT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE MEANT TO SERVICE THE LARGER OH.
IT WOULDN'T BE MEANT TO SERVICE THE LARGER MALL AREA IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
AND SO IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GENERATE THAT MUCH ENERGY, THAT'S WHEN THEY MUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
BUT IF THERE WAS A, A PARTICULAR STORE THAT WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY COULD, THERE'S A LOT OF REFRIGERATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORKING BLACK OUT THAT'S QUICK AND EASY.
THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE ROOFTOP SORT.
SO THEY COULD DO ROOFTOP RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
WHICH WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
WOULD A UNIT LIKE THAT COVER THE, THE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT COULD, UM, IT DEPENDS.
IT CAN NOT ALL OF THE LIGHTS, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE LIGHTS DO GENERATE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY.
THEY NEED A LOT OF ELECTRICITY RIGHT.
TO RUN THEM FOR THE TIME PERIOD THAT THEY WOULD BE ON AND THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTS.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT SIZE.
IT'S VERY, THERE'RE ACTUALLY LIGHTS NOW THAT HAVE THE SOLAR.
YEAH, THEY HAVE IT REGENERON, THE, ON ALL OF THEIR LIGHTS HAVE THE, I THINK I ACTUALLY HAVE THEM ON SOUTH ROAD NOW.
OH, BUT SO, SO WELL YOU, IN WHAT SCENARIO SOMEBODY WOULD COME WITH THIS KIND OF PERMIT? WELL I THINK LESLIE GAVE AN EXAMPLE.
HE HAD SOMEBODY, AN ICE CREAM STORE THAT IS WORRIED ABOUT BLACKOUTS AND JUST WANTS BACKUP OR, OR A, OR A SOMEBODY WHO'S, WHO'S GOT SOME REALLY BIG DATA STUFF THAT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH BACKUP THERE, IT GIVES THEM MORE BACKUP.
LET'S THINK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALSO ALWAYS MENTIONED.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT
SO I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? CHARGING STATION, EVEN CHARGING STATIONS YOU USE NEW FOR CHARGING STATIONS.
SO, AND I'M NOT ONLY GIVING THE LARGE SCALE, WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE SMALLER SITE, BUT, UH, MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, AGAIN LARGER SITE, 575,000 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY.
UH, WE IDENTIFIED A LOCATION ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THAT CENTER.
UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, COVERS, YOU KNOW, TWO AISLES OF PARKING, UM, BUT WOULDN'T DOMINATE THE SITE AND WOULD BE PERMITTED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF ROOF.
THEY ALREADY HAVE ROOFTOP THERE.
SO, UM, IF WE TR YEAH, IF MATT WAS JUST PANNING OVER, UH, WHERE THEY DO HAVE ROOFTOP THERE OVER WHERE JOANNE'S IS.
SO IF WE GO TO SOME SITES, YOU'RE MORE RECENTLY FAMILIAR WITH THE GOLF ZONE PROPERTY ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, ROUGHLY AN ACRE AND A HALF, 58,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WITH THE, THE THRESHOLD THAT WE IDENTIFIED, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED UP TO 1000 SQUARE FEET ADMINISTRATIVELY OF PANELS COVERING ROUGHLY SIX PARKING SPACES.
AGAIN, IF THEY WANTED TO DO MORE, THEY'D COME IN FOR THAT SPECIAL PERMIT SITE PLAN PROCESS.
NEXT TWO 50 TERRYTOWN ROAD, THE TESLA SITE RIGHT UP THE STREET, UH, ROUGHLY 94,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, PROPERTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S IRONIC THAT THEY DON'T HAVE.
TRYING TO GIVE YOU RECENT EXAMPLES OF SITES YOU'D BE FAMILIAR WITH.
I THINK THEY CAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR ROOF, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, EXACTLY.
WELL YEAH, YOU LOOK AT THAT, MR. MUSK I THINK OWNS A LITTLE SOLAR CELL COMPANY.
SO WE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, A ROW OF SPACES THAT WOULD MEET SETBACKS BE OFF, UH, SHOULD HAVE IT ALL OVER THE ROOF THERE.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ADMINISTRATIVELY, MATT NEXT.
UH, MOVING QUICKLY INTO TIER FOUR, I KNOW IT'S 9 35 AND WE WANNA FINISH BY 10.
UM, SO TIER FOUR, WHICH ARE A LARGE SCALE GROUND MOUNT ARRAYS, ALSO OFTEN REFERRED TO AS UH, SOLAR FARMS BE LOCATED ON A LARGE DEDICATED PARCEL.
UH, PERHAPS COULD BE LOCATED ON A LARGE DEDICATED PARCEL, FORMER GOLF COURSE DRIVING RAIN SITE, NURSERY DAY CAMP, UH, POTENTIALLY A BROWNFIELD SITE.
THEY WOULD CONSTITUTE A SOLAR PRINCIPLE USE AS UH, DEFINED IN THE LOCAL LAW.
UM, CURRENT CODE, THEY ARE EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED IN OUR ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS.
UM, THEY ARE PERMITTED BY SPECIAL PERMIT IN THE GI DISTRICT.
UM, WHAT WE PROPOSE IN THE LOCAL LAW IS TO CODIFY THESE SYSTEMS AS TIER FOUR.
UH, AND THEY WOULD REQUIRE A SOLAR OVERLAY ZONING
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DESIGNATION THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD.UM, WHICH DOES GIVE BROAD DISCRETION TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, IN THE POTENTIAL APPLICATION OF SUCH AN OVERLAY ZONE.
AND UH, I WOULD, MULTIPLE CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE TAKEN TO AN INTO ACCOUNT.
SO, SO YOU CAN HAVE LIKE AN L THEI ZONE, JUST PUT AN OVERLAY OVER THE WHOLE THING SO THEY CAN JUST PLACE THEM OVER THE SITE? YEAH.
OVER THE SITE OR OVER MULTIPLE SITES? NO, IT WOULD BE PER SITE.
IS THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT UH, REQUIREMENTS THE SAME AS A ROOFTOP? BECAUSE THE SOLAR PANEL IS NOT A FLAT ROOF.
SO IS THE REQUIREMENTS THE SAME OR THEY'RE BEING MODIFIED FOR THE SOLAR PANEL? SO THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME.
HOWEVER, UM, WE DID SPEAK WITH OUR TOWN ENGINEER ABOUT SOME OF THE GUIDANCE GIVEN BY NEW YORK STATE AND UM, WHICH THEY PULL FROM, I BELIEVE MARYLAND, UH, GUIDANCE ON PLANNING FOR STORMWATER RUNOFF BECAUSE IT'S CONCENTRATED VOLUME SHEETING DOWN, YOU KNOW, AN ARRAY OR SET OF PANELS AND HAVING THAT, UM, VEGETATED SPACE UNDERNEATH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NON IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OVER PARKING LOTS, OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THERE IS, UM, SO AGAIN, MULTIPLE CONSIDERATIONS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN, UM, THE TOWN BOARD POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING A SOLAR OVERLAY ZONE.
UM, THEY WOULD FOLLOWING, IF A SITE WAS UH, DESIGNATED FOR THE SOLAR OVERLAY ZONE, THEY WOULD THEN TRANSITION INTO A SPECIAL PERMIT AND SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TIER FOUR.
UM, AND THERE WOULD BE REQUIREMENTS, UH, INCLUDING LOTS MINIMUM, LOT SIZE, SETBACKS, HEIGHT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO BUFFERS IN SCREENING, WE WIDENED THE BUFFER, UH, TO A 25 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE SYSTEM OR FACILITY.
UM, THERE'D BE REQUIRED AND MANDATED VEGETATED GROUND COVER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I TOUCHED ON.
UH, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS WE TALKED ABOUT.
SIMILAR LIGHTING, FENCING, SIGNAGE, AND UH, AS WELL AS ACCESS.
UH, GIVING FREE AND CLEAR ACCESS TO THE SYSTEMS, UM, UTILITIES UNDERGROUND AS DISCUSSED WERE FEASIBLE.
AND THEN VERY SIMILAR SECURITY ABANDONMENT AND DECOMMISSIONING STATUS.
LEMME ASK, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS HERE FOR TIER FOUR.
UM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE SOME BOARD OTHER THAN US BE THIS, BE THE, THE PURVEYOR OF SPECIAL PERMITS 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY BURIED ONCE THE ADUR COMES IN.
I THINK, UM, WE NEED TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER FOR SURE.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS IN THE PROCEDURE, THEY AIN'T GONNA END UP PREFERRING IT TO US ANYWAY.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE HAVE GAINED NOTHING BY HAVING THEM DO THAT, HAVING THEM HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
SO I MEAN IF IT'S, DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A SITE PLAN ISSUE WHEN THEY DO THAT? IF IT DOES, IT'S GONNA COME TO US FOR, FOR FOR A TIER FOUR, YEAH.
SO I THINK EVERYTHING I AGREE WITH YOU, THE SOLAR OVERLAY WOULD GET REFERRED.
AMENDMENT ZONING, MAP AMENDMENTS GET REFERRED TO THIS BOARD WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE.
I'M TALKING PERMIT, I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL PERMIT.
I MEAN BEING THAT THE SITE PLANS, YOU KNOW, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE DO GET REFERRED, THEY ALL GET REFERRED ANYTHING OUTTA FIVE ACRES IS US, BUT NOT THEM.
BUT RIGHT IN HERE IT'S ANY, ANY SIZE SITE AND FOR TIER FOUR YOU NEED FOUR ACRES.
SO EVEN THE FOUR BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE WE'RE CLOSE.
UM, I JUST, I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT I I JUST THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
I JUST KNOW NO IS, WE'RE WRITING SOME REALLY WONDERFUL LAWS AND THERE'S ANOTHER BOARD THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY GIVING SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO AND THAT'S THE ZONING BOARD BECAUSE THEY DON'T, RIGHT NOW IT'S US IN, IN THE TOWN BOARD I THINK ARE MOST REFERENCE TO THE TIER FOUR FOR ACRES PLUS.
HOW OFTEN, I MEAN, ONCE IT COMES THROUGH IT, IT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY AN IN DEPTH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, I DON'T KNOW.
DO YOU FORESEE THAT IT'S GONNA BE AN LIKE, NOT LIKE ADU ADUS IS GONNA BE ONE A WEEK, ONE OF FOR EVERY MEETING.
I MEAN HOW MANY FOR ACRES SITES THAT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT UP A SOLAR ARRAY? A LOT.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY ALL GONNA, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY ALL GONNA GO FOR IT? ALL I'M GONNA ASK ASK YOU IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT AT THE PROCEDURE AND SEE, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET RID OF THE P IF WE NEED THE PING PONG.
AND SEE IF WE WANNA EXEMPT IT HERE LEGALLY.
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WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE TIER THREE, WHICH MIGHT BE MORE COMMON.
SO, WELL TIER THREE I WAS THINKING THAT COULD GO TO THE, POTENTIALLY GO TO THE ZONING BOARD INSTEAD OF US.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED WRITING IT UP.
WE'RE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR RECOMMENDING THE CO CODE.
SO ONCE THEY HAVE THE PARAMETERS, THEN THEY CAN YEAH, THEY COULD CARRY OUT THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS ONCE YOU DEFINE THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR AMANDA MM-HMM
IS THAT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? NO, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S DETERMINED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEN REVIEWED TOO.
NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, OH, YOU MEAN WHEN THEY'RE, YOU'VE GOT GENERALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT SPECIAL, YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE GENERALLY THE SPECIAL PERMIT, OKAY, HERE ARE THE CRITERIA, RIGHT? A, B, C, AND D.
THEY CHECK OFF THE BOXES, THEY GET THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
IT'S NORMALLY US OR THE TOWN BOARD, RIGHT.
THEN WE GO, WAIT A MINUTE, DID IT MEET THIS CRITERIA? THEY RIGHT NOW GET TO APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD ON AREA ONLY AREA ONES.
RIGHT? NOT OTHER ONES ON AREA ONES.
AND THE ZONING BOARD CAN OVER COULD DECIDE TO JUST, UH, WAIVE THAT, THAT UH, PROVISO UNDER SPECIAL.
THAT PROVISO UNDER A SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO CAN THAT BOARD DECIDE ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND DECIDE ON A VARIANCE IS THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE LEGALLY.
BUT UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
I MEAN I'D LOVE TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSE.
I MEAN I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
THERE, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, USES WITHIN THE TOWN THAT WHERE SPECIAL PERMIT IS THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OR APPEAL.
THERE ARE A FEW, RIGHT? I GUESS WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE VISION TIER THREE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD, TIER FOUR GOING WELL I THINK I, WE DIDN'T LAY IT OUT IN THAT FASHION, BUT THAT MAY BE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, AND ONE IS BILLING FA AND IT'S WORKING.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO AND THREE.
THERE'S ONLY, NO, IT'S ONLY TWO OVER A TWO IS ADMINISTRATIVE.
IT'S THREE OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU THINK THERE'LL BE AN INFLUX OF APPLICATIONS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GO AROUND ADVERTISING.
SO YOU'D RATHER BE HERE TIER THREE I JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE RATHER IT, WE SPLIT THINGS DOWN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE BOUNCED BACK TO US ANYWAY.
WELL FOR THE TOWN BOARD IT WILL BE FOR SURE.
BUT FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT DETERMINATION, DEFINITELY.
ONE THING I, I HAD A POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME OR NOT.
I WAS GONNA WAIT TILL YOU GUYS WERE DONE BUT NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO AS FAR AS TIER FOUR, BECAUSE TIER FOUR IT IS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT DETERMINATION.
SO THE TOWN BOARD, YES WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON IT, BUT THE TOWN BOARD BE, WILL BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICATION AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THEM DO THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL PERMIT REVIEW FOR TIER FOUR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WHAT I WAS THINKING, THAT'S HOW WE'VE LAID IT OUT.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S DONE IN BEST TOO ON THE TIER THREE BEST IT'S TOWN BOARD.
I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, BUT THEN WITH HAVING THE TOWN BOARD HAVE THE AUTHORITY, DID THEY REFER IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD? WE CAN'T STOP.
AND THAT TIER FOUR, AGAIN, THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE WHO, WHO ARE GOING INTO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO I LOVE THE WAY YOU GUYS BROKE IT UP BY THE WAY.
I MEAN I WANTED GOOD JOB REALLY COMMEND THE COMMITTEE 'CAUSE THEY PUT IN A LOT OF HOURS.
ANYONE CAN ANYTHING ELSE THROUGH? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE MAGIC OF ONE? WHY NOT 2% OR 5%? RIGHT? GOOD QUESTION.
SO, AND IT ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH FOUR, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR.
WHAT'S THE MAGIC OF THE 1%? SO SCORE THE, TO YOU WITH YOUR MAGICAL NUMBERS.
SO IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, DEWEYS BETTER, LESLIE, MYSELF AND UM, OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, RAN SOME CALCULATIONS ON THE VARIOUS, UH, SITE SIZES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN ON THE LARGER LOTS.
YOU SAW SOME OF THE EXAMPLES TODAY AND, AND WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT VISUAL REPRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, FIGHT B ON MIDWAY, LIKE WE SHOWED, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER 40, 50 PARKING SPACES DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE, LIKE MUCH, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE SMALLER SITES, UM, LOOKING AT THAT 1%, WE FELT LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON A 5,000 OR EVEN A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND YOU'RE ONLY GETTING 1%, THAT'S A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET POUNDS.
WHICH IS NOTHING, JUST NOT EVEN GONNA BE APPLIED FOR.
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SPEAKING WITH LESLIE AND LOOKING AT KIND OF, UM, THE INDUSTRY AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL ARRAYS, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COVERS ROUGHLY SIX PARKING SPACES AND YOU KNOW, ON A SMALL PROFESSIONAL SITE THAT MIGHT ONLY BE 5, 7, 8, 10,000 SQUARE FEET.YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS REASONABLE FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
UM, IF THE, IT'S NOT IN A RE AND IT'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA ANYWAY, RIGHT? NO, BUT I MEAN THE IDEA IS TO PROMOTE MORE OF A SOLAR.
IF THEN CAN WE, CAN WE BREAK IT UP AND DO LIKE SAY LESS THAN HALF A ACRE? IT'S 5% AND IF THAT IS A TWO ACRES, THEN IT IS A 1% DOWN.
SO, SO THAT IDEA IS TO PROMOTE SOLAR THEN YOU WANTED TO GRADE IT RATHER THAN HAVING EVERYBODY 1%.
IF THE PLANNING BOARD, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN, RIGHT? I MEAN SO IT IT IT IS SCALED BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE.
WE DIDN'T JUST GIVE A HARD NUMBER, YOU KNOW, 500 OR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PERIOD.
IT DOES SLIDE BASED ON, BUT IF THE PLANNING BOARD WAS TO RECOMMEND THAT HEY, A A A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TIERED APPROACH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR LOT AREA, MAYBE YOU GET 2% OR WHATEVER THE MAGIC NUMBER IS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO THAT.
IF THE IDEA IS TO HAVE MORE SOLAR, THEN I WILL ENCOURAGE WITH WITHOUT ADMINISTRATIVELY HAVING, THEY CAN COVER THE WHOLE PARKING AREA.
IF THEY CAN MEET OTHER REQUIREMENTS, THEY KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THEN YOU BEGIN TO GET INTO OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
THAT IMPACT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY TOOK ADMINISTRATIVELY, YEAH, YEAH.
IF SOMEONE TOOK, I MEAN ADMINISTRATIVE HOLD ON ONE AT A TIME.
IF SOMEONE TOOK THE WHOLE FRONT OF CROSSROADS PARKING, PARKING, PARKING LOT AND DID THIS WITHOUT ANYBODY BUT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR LOOKING AT THIS, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I IT'S AS LONG AS IT, IT'S GIVES US SAY LESS DEPENDENCE ON THE, UH, OTHER FACTORS.
THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS WHAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A SMALL LITTLE, LIKE ON ON NINE A, THERE IS A LITTLE STRIP SHOPPING MALLS, WHICH HAS ONLY MAYBE 20, MAYBE 30 CARS THAT BE ADMINISTERED.
I'M SORRY, I I WANT TO GET WHAT YOUR SUGGESTION IS.
IN TERMS OF, JUST KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NONE OF WE, WE WANT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT UP BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT.
WHICH IS THE WAY THAT WE WROTE IT.
SO, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SORT OF AN EXTENSION OR MAYBE EXPAND IT, I'M TRYING TO GET WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE TO HUGHES POINT OR TO ALL OF OUR POINTS, IF WE DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY AND GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO JUST GO NO MATTER WHAT THE SIZE OR, OR MAYBE LARGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE, WE ARE BE GETTING ABOUT YOUR FAVORITE SUBJECT, PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS.
WE'RE FORGETTING ABOUT THE PARKING SPACE REGULATIONS BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CANOPIES, YOU'RE GONNA START LOSING PARKING SPACES WHERE THERE'S ALSO, EVEN WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, SOMETHING I LEARNED, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR TREES TO BE AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
SO ONCE YOU START EXPANDING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEN YOU START CHANGING THOSE RATIOS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THOUSAND AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONSIDER 'EM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IF IT CAN BE BIGGER, BUT THE THOUSAND IS LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA DISTURB ANYTHING.
AGAIN, IF THE PLANNING BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MORE ALLOWING, WE WOULD EVALUATE IT MOST CERTAINLY.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL.
WE, I THINK WE WOULD JUST WANNA FULLY EVALUATE.
I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO NUMBER, MY IDEA IS LESLIE, THAT IF, IF THE WHOLE, UH, AND A CASE YOU ARE RIGHT, UH, THE RUNOFF AND, AND THE FLOODING, UH, BECAUSE OF THE IMPER SURFACES IS ONE.
BUT IF, IF THERE IS A BALANCE OF THIS WHOLE MOVING AWAY, UH, FROM DEPENDENCE ON THE, UH, THE KIND OF, UH, OIL OR GAS KIND OF THINGS AND WE WANTED TO HAVE FOSSIL FUEL THINGS.
SO WHAT IS A BALANCE? WHAT IS THE SORT OF THINGS, THAT'S WHAT OUR, THAT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION.
OKAY, THEN WHY DON'T WE COME UP WITH A NUMBER IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT NUMBER IS NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER.
CAN YOU SUGGEST THE NUMBER THAT WE SHOULD PUT IN? I THINK, UH, IT SHOULD BE KIND OF BASED ON LIKE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE, UH, OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT WE SAY.
IF IT IS A LESS THAN ACRE OR, OR I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF REGULATION BASED.
WE COULD DO IT BASED ON PERCENTAGE.
NO, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FLAT PERCENTAGE.
WHAT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IS OH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE 10,000 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE IT'S 10%.
IF IT'S 50,000 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE IT'S 8%.
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WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT TOO COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S TO HAVE A GUY WHO IS, BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT ENTERTAIN IF IT'S DON'T LEAVE FOUR PANELS, HE'S GONNA PUT IT AT THE SAME, IT WOULDN'T BE ECONOMICAL TO GO THROUGH ALL NO, NO.
THERE IS, THERE'S A MINIMUM THAT THEY, THEY BASICALLY DON'T GET OUT OF BED FOR.
UH, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE, IN THE LAW ABOUT, UH, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
SO THIS CODE IS SPECIFIC TO SOLAR ENERGY.
SO THAT'LL BE ANOTHER CHAPTER, ANOTHER TASK COMMITTEE.
UM, SETH, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE KNOWS SETH.
I'M SORRY, DID I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME SO I APOLOGIZE.
OKAY, SO SET THIS OUT ON THE COMMITTEE.
TOM AND LESLIE HAVE SAT ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE LAST SIX PLUS MONTHS.
WE'VE MET NUMEROUS TIMES, USUALLY TWICE A MONTH.
WE BROKE DOWN INTO A SOLAR SUBGROUP.
UM, THERE WAS AN EV CHARGING SUBGROUP.
NOW WE'RE ALL GETTING BACK TOGETHER.
UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT'S OUT ON THE COMMITTEE'S TIME TO DATE AND YOU KNOW, WE LOOK TO PLOW THROUGH ON THE NEXT ONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND MADE TREMENDOUS EFFORTS.
HE DID READS EVERYTHING, ELECTORAL COMMENTS.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADD IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT THE GOAL IS REALLY NOT JUST TO OPEN THE PLUG GATES FOR SOUL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S TO ENCOURAGE SOUL DEVELOPMENT BUT BALANCE IT OFF AGAINST OTHER CONCERNS LIKE THE AESTHETICS OF THE TOWN.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, UH, TREES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE A, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CAP.
THE QUESTION IS THE CAP, THE IDEA THAT IT MIGHT BE A PROGRESSIVE CAP DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT COULD BE BASED ON SETBACKS OR LOTS OF LEADS.
WHY DON'T WE THINK, WHY DON'T WE THINK ABOUT THAT? I IT IS SEVEN MINUTES OF NINE.
WELL, SEVEN MINUTES OF NINE SOMEWHERE.
MY WIFE JUST CALLED ME FROM HER HOTEL ROOM WITH HER HER FEET UP ON HER BED.
BED AFTER A LONG DAY OF HAVING A TRIAL TODAY.
UM, THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
JUST THINK, I, I THINK THE LAWS IN PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD WAY.
AND IF YOU WANT TO JUST THINK ABOUT THIS ONE ISSUE, UM, UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND JUST QUICKLY WAIT BETWEEN THE MEETING AND THEN JUST VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO RECOMMEND IT.
IT'S REALLY UP TO PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, RIGHT? IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT FURTHER ANALYSIS BE DONE.
THE POTENTIAL WE COULD GIVE IT.
YEAH, WE COULD GIVE IT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AS A, AND AND WITH YOUR COMMENT AND SAY THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER THE, THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE SIZES IN THE TIER THREE.
DO WE HAVE MOTION TO THAT? SO MOVE.
SECOND, WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU GUYS.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN HARD ON YOU GUYS WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S, IT'S A FIRST STEP.
WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE TO DO ON YOUR SIDE, JOHANN AND WALTER AND I HAVE A LOT TO DO ON OUR SIDE.
THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY, WE GOT CAUGHT UP.
WE WERE ACTUALLY REFERRED TO THE TOWN BOARD BEFORE YOU, RIGHT? AND NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHUT UP MC.
AND THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, WHICH WE DID.
NOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM AND NEXT WEEK, UH, IT'S GOING BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD WHAT'S GOING BACK.
SO IT'LL BE THE ADU LAW AND THAT AND THAT'LL BE REFERRED BACK TO US.
WHAT'S AN ADU LAW? SO DRAWING UNIT.
THE LITTLE UNIT THAT ATTACHED.
WAIT, SO IT'S GOING TO THEIR WORK SESSION TUESDAY.
TUESDAY OR HE DOES IT AT THE REGULAR SESSION.
I'M GONNA THAT ONE LAST THING.
SO WHAT STAFF, WHAT I BELIEVE THE DIRECTION IS YOU'VE MADE THE VOTE.
I'M GONNA DRAFT STAFF WILL DRAFT UP THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE IT'S TRANSMITTED TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THAT'S GREAT FOR THE BOARD SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK AND THEN WE'LL TRANSMIT.
I WILL ALSO WANNA PUBLICLY THANK EVERYBODY FOR HANGING IN.
THIS IS A LONG MEETING AND EVERYBODY TO DO A FANTASTIC JOB.
WE GOT THROUGH A HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF.
WE HAVE TO DO IT UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK AT LEAST TWO MORE TIMES TO GET DONE.
WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE AN ALTERNATE WHO'S GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED TO ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.