* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YEAH. WE'RE GOOD ENOUGH [00:00:01] PEOPLE? OKAY? YES. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 15, 2023 – 6:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] TO THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLES TROOPERS AND SCHWARTZ. HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MS. DAVIS. HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SIMON AND MR. DESAI HAVE NOT YET ARRIVED. RIGHT. WE EXPECT THEM TO BE ATTENDING. MR. SNAGS WILL NOT BE PRESENT THIS EVENING. YEAH, I, WALTER WAS IN TARRYTOWN, I THINK SO. HE MAY BE CAUGHT IN TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC WASN'T IN WONDERFUL. COMING HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. UH, CORRESPONDENCE. WE HAVE, UH, TWO EXTENSIONS. WE'VE GOT I'S OF MINUTES FIRST. I'M SORRY. SURE. UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXCELLENT JOB, AS IT USUALLY IS. OKAY. ANYBODY, ANYBODY COMMENTS? NO, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MITTENS, THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN, BLAH, BLAH. OKAY. SECOND. UH, SECOND BY LESLIE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, GOOD. UM, BEFORE WE JUST GO ON, JUST FOR SCHEDULING THING, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION TONIGHT WILL START AT EIGHT. COULD YOU KEEP QUIET BACK THERE, PLEASE? WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING. THANK YOU. UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC DISCUSSION WILL START APPROXIMATELY 8 45 THIS EVENING. SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT OR IF YOU'RE WATCHING US ON TV OR IN ZOOM, UH, YOU CAN COME BACK AT EIGHT 30 OR SO, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT WE'LL START ABOUT 8 45. OKAY. ON THAT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, THAT CLEAR. OKAY. UH, NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS CORRESPONDENCE. THERE WERE, UM, TWO PIECES OF, UH, CORRESPONDS ABOUT EXTENSIONS. THE FIRST ONE WAS BRODSKY, WHICH, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE IS TRYING TO LOCATE THIS, THE SEPTIC FIELD. THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. SO THEY HAD, YEAH, THEY HAD A COMPANY OUT THERE. THEY WERE UNABLE TO LOCATE THE FIELDS. FIBER OPTIC CAMERA AS MENTIONED IN THE LETTER, COULD NOT BE ADVANCED THROUGH THE TANK. SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY COME OUT THERE AND GET THAT WORK ACCOMPLISHED SO THEY CAN GET SIGN OFF FROM THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND COULD I HAVE A MOTION THEN? AND THIS IS DISCUSSION TO, UH, GIVE THEM EXTENSION FOR 180 DAYS. SO MOVED. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MICHAEL. SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? CARRIES. OKAY, THE SECOND ONE, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE CASE NUMBER. BROSKI. NON PROTON, CORRECT? WHAT? IT'S NUN PROTON? NO, THE, WAS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS NON PROTECH? I THOUGHT THE OTHER ONE WAS, NO, THIS ONE WAS. OH, WAS IT BRODSKY? YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT EXPIRED ON THE 26TH OF NOVEMBER, OCTOBER. OCTOBER. THE OTHER ONE'S THIS MONTH EXPIRES AND THAT'S WHAT PBK IS, 2219, WHICH IS, UH, HILL FIVE C HILLCREST AVENUE. THIS IS ALSO FOR AN EXTENSION. THEY'RE HAVING A DELAY AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FIRST EXTENSION. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND, UH, RECORDING? I'M RECORDING, UH, SUB SUBDIVISION FOR 180 DAYS. SO MOVED. MICHAEL, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, TOM? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE IS SOME OTHER CORRESPONDENCE TO ALL THEY RELATE TO, TO PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE'LL DISCUSS IN A LITTLE BIT BIT. SO, UM, WE'LL GET THERE. UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE A, A VERY, VERY FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA ASK EVERYBODY'S COOPERATION. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING, WHETHER YOU'RE AN APPLICANT OR THE PUBLIC, WHATEVER, TRY TO KEEP IT SUSTAIN SYNC PLEASE. BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE A LARGE SCHEDULE TO GET THROUGH AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE SCHEDULE TONIGHT IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR COOPERATION. OKAY. UH, FIRST CA UH, CASE IS PB 2311, WHICH IS TB, UH, TB. THANK YOU. TB 2311, WHICH IS THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM LOCAL LAW. WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF US, UH, THAT WAS DRAFTED BY MR. SCHMIDT. UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS, I THINK, PRETTY MUCH GOOD DETAIL AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, AND WANTED TO GIVE IT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. UM, EVERYTHING HIGH CORRECT. PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, KURT DESAI HAS JOINED US. WE JUST GOT THROUGH, UH, JUST GOT THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE AND, AND, AND THE MINUTES. OKAY. AND WE'RE ON ONTO THE LOCAL LAW FOR, UH, OKAY. FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, SOLAR CELLS. OKAY. IS IT ANY COMMENTS, UH, OR QUESTIONS ON THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE AMENDMENT? [00:05:02] OKAY. I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THE CHANGE THAT WE RECOMMENDED LAST TIME WAS HANDLED WELL. MM-HMM, . OKAY. AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE COMMITTEE FOR, FOR DOING A TERRIFIC JOB ON A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THIS TOWN. WE'RE GONNA GET AHEAD OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY'S MOVING FASTER THAN, THAN THE TOWN CAN. AND THE, THE PURPOSE OF LESLIE'S COMMITTEE AND TOM IS ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL, IS REALLY TO TRY TO GET US IN FRONT OF THESE THINGS. IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO. THINGS ARE MOVING AT A VERY RAPID PACE. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AROUND TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS. SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO DO. AND THIS IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND VERY GOOD JOB, I THINK, ON THIS. SO I'M HOPING IT'LL GET QUICK APPROVAL FROM, UH, THE TOWN BOARD. YEAH. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD? SO, CORRECT. CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND. SECOND. LESLIE, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? GREAT REPORT. OKAY. DO YOU WANT, SO WE WANT TO DID THE RECORD AS WELL. OKAY. THIS WAS CIRCULATED. OKAY. ALSO, UH, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, NOT ONLY DO WE WRITE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THERE'S A STAFF REPORT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, I THINK THAT ALSO IS IN GOOD SHAPE IN MY VIEW. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT BEFORE WE VOTE ON, ON SENDING THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD AS WELL? NO, NO COMMENTS, COMMENT FROM ME THEN. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE, UH, WHAT'S THIS CALLED AGAIN? I'M SORRY? THE REPORT OF THE THE REPORT. THE REPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO MOVED. TOM, CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND. SECOND. CURT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE DOING REAL WELL. KEEP KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, IS PB 2304, WHICH, UH, IS A CONTINUATION OF A WORK SESSION. THIS IS LEE AT TWO BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD, UM, FOR PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. UM, IT'S A CONTINUATION OF A WORK SESSION. ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WAS REALLY CONFUSING THE LAST TIME, AND HOPEFULLY AARON CAN TAKE US THROUGH THIS NOW, IS UNDERSTANDING THE, THE VARIANCES AS THEY RELATE TO WHAT IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THEN WHAT THE ASBELL CONDITION WILL BE. OKAY. THAT WAS CONFUSING. SO YEAH, I'LL PASS IT THIS WAY. SURE. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT. AND THEN, UM, WE DO HAVE MR. RELL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNER. AND GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING. THEY DID SUBMIT, UM, A PHASE ONE LANDSCAPING PLAN. YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT, UM, THEY SHOWED AN OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WOULD BE REFINED TO SHOW OR DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO 60. AND ALSO TO SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE BUFFER, UH, PLANTINGS AND THE RAIN GARDEN PLANTING. SO THEY HAVE SINCE DONE THAT. I DID CIRCULATE MR. RE, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, A COPY OF THE LATEST VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE EXISTING SETBACKS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO HAVE MODIFIED AND, AND GAIN APPROVAL FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. SO WE CAN WALK THROUGH THOSE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET A QUICK WALKTHROUGH ON THE DRAWING REVISION REAL QUICK. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT FIRST. ALL RIGHT. I CAN SHARE MY GRANT. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES, YOU CAN PLEASE. ALRIGHT. IS, UH, IS THE SCREEN THERE ON? YES, THEY'RE GONNA ZOOM IN ON THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK THIS IS WHAT, UH, MR. WAS JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE ZONING, UH, . YEAH, I DON'T WANNA START THERE. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT THE PLAN FIRST. WE'VE GOT OKAY. IN FRONT OF US, THE, THE ZONING, WHICH AARON WILL TAKE EVERYBODY THROUGH AFTER YOU GET THROUGH WITH SHOWING US THE PLAN. OKAY. UH, VERY GOOD. SO THIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION AT THE LAST MEETING. UH, WE WANTED TO KIND OF DO PARSE OUT THE, UH, REQUIRED MITIGATION FOR THE PLANTING. AND THIS IS WHAT OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS COME UP WITH. THE FIRST BASE, UH, THE, THE AREA, THE BIGGEST PART IN QUESTION WAS THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE. UH, AND RESTORING THE BUFFER ZONE. UH, THE PLANTING, UH, THE NEW PLANTING HAVE TO BE REQUIRED, UH, TO REPAIR THE, UH, REPAIRING BUFFER ZONE AS PART OF THE STORM WATER, UH, MITIGATION PLANT. OKAY. WHAT DID, WHAT ARE YOU, THE FOCUS OF THE WATER. OKAY. WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT ARE THOSE PLANTING? SO IT COULD BE LIKE A RAIN GARDEN OR WHAT'S GOING IN THERE? UH, CORRECT SIR. THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE THIS IS, THERE'S TWO ASPECTS OF THE MITIGATION PLAN. ONE, WE HAVE TO MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF THE THREE TREES IN THE DRIVEWAY. UH, SO THAT IS THE INSTALLATION OF, UH, THESE TREES AND [00:10:01] SHRUBS AT THE UPPER TABLE. UH, THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER TABLE THAT SHOULD BE AT THE DRAWING . AND THEN FOR THE DISTURBANCE OF THE WETLAND BUMPER ZONE, UH, WE'LL BE INSTALLING THREE RAIN GUARDERS, UH, WITH THE, UH, SPECIES LISTED IN THE TABLES HERE. OKAY. OKAY. IS THE ENGINEER TAKING A LOOK AT THIS? YES. SO I CAN ELABORATE ON THAT PLEASE. THE QUESTION WAS, HAS, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER LOOKED AT THIS? SO THE TOWN ENGINEER DID GET THE MOST RECENT SUBMISSION FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER, THE TOWN ENGINEER, GOT BACK TO MATT BRITTON, OUR TOWN PLANNER, AND INDICATED THAT, UM, HE WOULD NEED TO SEE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE RAIN GARDENS. HE DOES BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A VIABLE OPTION IN ORDER TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN CODE WITH RESPECT TO THE SLIGHT INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT. BUT, UM, HE NEEDS TO SEE ACTUAL DETAILS RELATIVE TO THE RAIN GARDENS THEMSELVES, WHICH CAN BE SUBMITTED. AND, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, FORWARDED ALONG TO MR. SORELL. SO YOU'VE SEEN THAT REQUEST FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER? IS THAT ACCURATE? I RECEIVED THAT THIS MORNING. THAT IS ACCURATE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY IN TERMS OF PROCEDURE, I DON'T THINK THAT PRECLUDES US FROM SENDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY A SITE PLAN ISSUE, NOT, NOT A ZONING ISSUE. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GET THAT IN AS SOON AS YOU COULD, SIR, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM THE ZONING BOARD, WE CAN MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. MM-HMM. , BUT I DON'T SEE SLOWING THIS APPLICATION DOWN AS A RESULT OF THAT. WHAT WE WILL MAKE THAT HOPEFULLY AFTER WE DISCUSS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD TONIGHT OR AGREE TO ONE AND, AND FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD TONIGHT. OKAY. ON THE VER ON THE FIVE VARIANCES. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE. ALL RIGHT. I, I, I THINK SO. AND I'LL WORK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER OFFLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M PROVIDING HIM WITH THE INFORMATION HE'S LOOKING FOR. PERFECT. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. AARON, WOULD YOU TAKE US THROUGH THIS CHART AND EXPLAIN, AS YOU GO THROUGH IT, EXPLAIN WHAT'S CAUSING, UH, THE CHANGES? YES. SO AS THE CHAIRPERSON INDICATED, FIVE AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED. UH, THE FIRST BEING THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO THE FRONT YARD PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT. AND THE REQUIRED, OR THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 40 FEET. IT EXISTS TODAY AT 25.75 FEET. RIGHT. AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING 21 POINT FEET AND WHAT'S CAUSING THE DIFFERENCE. SO, MR. RELL, OKAY. UH, LET ME GET SOME DRAWINGS UP HERE FOR YOU. AND HERE I'LL, THIS IS PROBABLY THE DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE SHOWS THAT THE BEST, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT IS CURRENTLY ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, SO THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO LEGALIZE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. RIGHT. AND THEN, UH, THE MAIN PART OF THE PROJECT IS THERE IS A NEW GARAGE THAT IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE OF THE NEW DRIVEWAY. UH, SO BECAUSE THE NEW GARAGE WOULD OF COURSE BE ADJACENT TO THE NEW, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO GOING BACK TO THE, UH, THIS TAB HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE SETBACK FROM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO THE FRONT YARD. OKAY. FIRST. YEP. SO, UH, WELL THIS IS ALL RELATED, SIR, AND I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, WELL, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THEM IN ORDER, BUT YOU STARTED ON THE SECOND ONE, SO FINISH THE SECOND ONE. WE'LL GO BACK. ALRIGHT, WELL, THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO THE SAME. IT IS ALL PART OF THE SAME THING. SO THIS IS THE NEW GARAGE STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE THIS NOW CONTROLS THE DISTANCE TO THE, UH, FRONT PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS THE NEW GARAGE STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THE EXISTING CORNER OF THE BUILDING'S SLIGHT DIFFERENCE. OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN. SO THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS THE FIRST VARIANCE. UH, AND IT IS A, UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXISTING HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE ORDER OF 25 FEET. THAT SAME 25 75. YEP, THAT'S RIGHT. OH, UH, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING NON-CON PERFORMANCE. WE'RE CHA PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT BY A FEW FEET DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW GARAGE, UH, AS SHOWN, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THESE TWO RED LINES. OKAY. OKAY. AND THE SECOND ONE IS, AS YOU STARTED TO SAY, IS BECAUSE OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE RATHER THAN THE DRIVEWAY. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THE, THE SETBACK TO THE BUILDING, AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE THE GARAGE WITH THE, UH, SECOND STORY ADDITION ON TOP, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE SECOND ONE STEP BACK FROM THE SIDE YARD FOR PRINCIPAL BUILDING. YEAH. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE'S. THREE FOOT, TWO DIMENSION. THIS IS ALL DICTATED. THAT'S MINOR. I THINK THAT'S ALL DICTATED BY THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. THAT THREE FOOT TWO IS THIS, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. OKAY. I, THAT'S REALLY, OKAY. I I, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD MICHAEL. UM, [00:15:01] YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE GETTING EX TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR ABOUT COMING CLOSER TO HIS PROPERTY WITH A TWO STORY ADDITION? WITH A TWO STORY WITH THE GARAGE ADDITION? THEY, THEY HAVE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THEY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBOR. I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE ZONING BOARD. I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY. WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THIS, IF THE NEIGHBOR HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE GARAGE A LITTLE CLOSER TO HIS PROPERTY LINE, IT WOULD HELP YOUR CLIENT IF THE NEIGHBOR DID INDEED SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE ZBA. WELL, THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE BE SEEING THAT LETTER BEFORE MAKING THIS DECISION? BECAUSE I MEAN, HE'S ADDING A TWO, TWO STORIES VERSUS A DRIVEWAY. THAT'S A, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW. RIGHT. SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE, WITHOUT THAT LETTER IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, MAKE A DECISION, UH, MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD? I GUESS ONE THING WE COULD DO IS SAY IT'S NEUTRAL. NEUTRAL, BUT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, YOU JUST SAID WE'RE ADVISED THAT THE NEIGHBOR SENT THE LETTER BUT HAVEN'T SENT IT. OKAY. AND THE HOMEOWNER'S, UH, PRESENT. RIGHT. SHE THAT SHE DOES HAVE IT AVAILABLE. MS. LEE, YOU HAVE THE LETTER AVAILABLE. UM, I DO IN A, UM, IS IT SHORT? YES. COULD YOU READ IT, READ IT INTO THE RECORD FOR US. ALRIGHT. MY NAME IS, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER KIND OF JUST TO ABOVE THAT GARAGE PROPERTY LINE? YES. SO IT'S OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS WHAT, HOW THEIR PROPERTY IS SITUATED TO, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE, UM, THERE, IT'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVE. SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A BIG POND ON OUR PROPERTY AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY NICE VIEW OF OUR POND THAT WOULDN'T BE OBSTRUCTED BECAUSE OF THIS NEW CONDITION. UM, ARE THEY UPHILL FROM YOU? IT LOOKED ON ONE OF THE DRAWINGS. I MAYBE GOES UP THERE. YEAH. UM, AND SO I CAN READ THE, THE LETTER. IT'S, UH, SUBMITTED BY, UM, PATRICK AND SANGIO O'REILLY AND IT SAYS, DEAR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WE, PATRICK AND SANGIO O'REILLY ARE OWNERS AND RESIDENCE OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT FOUR BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD IN IRVINGTON. WE ARE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS WITH THE LEE FAMILY AND SUBMIT THIS LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THEIR APPLICATION. SIMILAR TO THE LEE'S PROPERTY, WE ALSO HAVE A STEEP DRIVEWAY ALONG OUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE. THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF OUR HOME ADDED A TWO CAR GARAGE AND BREEZEWAY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT ISSUE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LEE FAMILY IS PROPOSING A SIMILAR ADDITION OF A GARAGE AT THE END OF THEIR DRIVEWAY. IT SEEMS THAT MANY OF THE HOMES IN OUR STREET WERE SIMILAR IN THEIR ORIGINAL STRUCTURES, BUT NEARLY ALL OF THE HOMES HAVE BEEN EXPANDED AND OR ALTERED OVER THE YEARS. THE LEE PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE ONLY HOMES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL LOOP WITHOUT A GARAGE. AND WE SYMPATHIZE WITH THE DIFFICULTIES OF UTILIZING A STEEP DRIVEWAY, ESPECIALLY DURING THE WINTERTIME WITH YOUNG CHILDREN. WE SUPPORT THEIR PLANS FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS. PEEL FEEL. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH ME AT PATRICK O'REILLY AT CLIFFORD CHANCE.COM FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR INPUT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EXCELLENT. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY, THAT'S A ONE ABOUT, SO HOW DOES THAT, UH, UH, WORKING TO THAT AERIAL VIEW, IT'S, UH, WHICH ONE IS THEIR PROPERTY? AND IN THE BACK, THE NEIGHBOR AT FOR BLUEBERRY IS THE ONE UP FROM THAT, RIGHT? ONE UP OR TO THE NORTH? UH, I LOST THE, OH, THERE, IT'S, IT IS BACK. UH, SO, OKAY, THIS IS THE LEAD PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE. UH, FOUR BLUEBERRY HILLS IS THE LETTER THAT WAS SHUT THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO THEY'RE ADJACENT TO THE NEW GARAGE AND THERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS HERE OF THE EXISTING CONDITION. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE NOT CLOSE AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S RIGHT. THEY MIGHT HAVE, UH, NO, THE HOUSE IS, ARE BACK A LITTLE BIT AWAY AND THE NEW GARAGE WOULD BE GOING IN THIS AREA HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND THERE BETWEEN THE TWO. AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT A GARAGE ALSO. THEY ALREADY DID. THEY ALREADY, WHAT? WHAT THEY, WHAT THE LETTER SAID WAS THAT THE LEASE PROPERTIES PROBABLY THE ONLY GOOD, GOOD IDEA. MICHAEL. UM, THE ONLY ONE ON THE AIR AT THE TOP. I'M SORRY. NO. OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE, UH, LOOKS LIKE THE SCREENSHOT. THERE WE GO. THIS PHOTOGRAPH RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE RESIDENCE OF THE, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ONLY. OKAY. AND THERE, THERE'S THE TWO CAR GARAGE. YEAH. AS, AND THEY HAVE ALMOST THE EXACT SAME SITUATION WHICH THE LEAVES ARE PROPOSING. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. I DO WANNA MAKE ONE, ONE EDITORIAL COMMENT TO YOU, SIR. UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT IN YOUR LETTER, WHICH ACTUALLY TOOK ME BACK. OKAY. UM, OUR JOB AS THE PLANNING BOARD IS ULTIMATELY WE'D LOVE TO PROTECT THE HUDSON RIVER. SO WOULD WE ALL, IT'S A WONDERFUL RECREATIONAL RESOURCE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPORTANT. HOWEVER, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, IS TO LOOK WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. SO I WOULD REREAD WHAT YOU WROTE AND, AND RECONSIDER THAT. OKAY. THE WAY, THE WAY YOU SAID IT WAS [00:20:02] NOT THE WAY WE LOOK AT THINGS. OKAY. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. JUST KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT. ALRIGHT. DO YOU WANNA HAVE, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION. GUYS, ANYBODY WANNA LEAD OFF? WELL, LET'S REVISIT THE, UM, CRITERIA THAT WE JUST RECENTLY CIRCULATED FOR DOING THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. NEUTRAL, BECAUSE THAT'S NEUTRAL. THAT'S WHAT I THINK DO. IS THAT, IS THAT SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN ACCESS IT? UM, I CAN, YOU KNOW, FROM MEMORY WELL DO IT LITTLE BIT. SO DON'T YELL AT HIM. , GO AHEAD. WELL, WHAT THIS BOARD, WHAT THE BOARD HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, AND I KNOW MICHAEL, UM, HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT AND JOHANN HELPED WRITE IT, BUT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY AS I'M HERE THIS EVENING IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS IMPORTANT PLANNING IMPLICATION THAT, UH, IS CONNECTED TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST, THE PLANNING BOARD MAY SEE A NEED OR MAY FEEL THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMPELLING IT TO GO EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. IF IT'S A NEGATIVE, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH ITS RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE ZBA IN A CASE LIKE THIS, I'VE HEARD FROM MR. DESAI AND POSSIBLY FROM OTHERS, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY NOT BE ANYTHING COMPELLING THE BOARD TO GO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, AND THEREFORE IT MAY CONSIDER POTENTIALLY A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION IN THIS CASE ON ALL FIVE VARIANCES. AARON, MICHAEL, THANK YOU VERY NICELY SUMMARIZED. THANK YOU. OKAY, MICHAEL? YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE UP TO ME PERSONALLY, WHICH IT'S NOT, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. I WOULD GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, BUT MY PERSONAL OPINION DOESN'T MATTER. WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR RATIONALE FOR THAT THOUGH? I'M GONNA TELL YOU. OKAY. I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU. GOOD. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU INTERRUPTED ME. I CAN'T WAIT. UM, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE PLANNING ISSUE HERE THAT I SEE. WHAT IMPRESSES ME IS THAT ALL OF THE FACTS AVAILABLE TO US ARE EQUALLY AVAILABLE TO THE ZONING BOARD. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NO GARAGE, THEY COULD USE A GARAGE. EVERYBODY LOVES A GARAGE. THE OTHER HOUSES HAVE BUILT GARAGES. THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T OBJECT TO IT. I MEAN, THE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT'S BUILT WELL, THE ONE THING, THE ONE THING THAT IS POSITIVE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BUILT, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY TO CONTOUR TO THE STEEPER SLOPES, BUT THAT ALL CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE ZBA AND THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT DECISION. SO I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WOULD GIVE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYMORE, NOR ARE WE ANY SMARTER THAN THE ZBA IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. ARE YOU SAYING POSITIVE NOW? YOU'RE SAYING NEUTRAL? I, NO, I SAID PERSONALLY I WOULD GET POSITIVE. OKAY. BUT MY PERSONAL OPINION DOESN'T MATTER AS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD. I WOULD. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE WANNA COMMENT? I, I THINK, UH, UH, JUST FOLLOWING WHAT, UH, AARON KIND OF SUMMARIZED THAT THERE IS REALLY NOTHING, UH, OUTSTANDING IN TERMS OF EITHER WETLAND, WATERCOURSE, OR THE STEEP SLOPE WILL BE AFFECTED. SO WE SHOULD REALLY LET THE, LET THE ZONING BOARD DECIDES WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. MM-HMM. . THAT'S WHY MY SUGGESTION IS IN NEUTRAL. TOM, DO YOU, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? I AGREE WITH MICHAEL. IF, IF THEY CAME TO ME AND SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'D SAY I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. BUT GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SAID AND HOW WE WANT TO RULE, I DON'T SEE THAT, UM, THERE'S A PLANNING ISSUE AS MUCH AS A VARIANCE ISSUE. AND IT'S, WHICH IS WHERE WE'LL, SQUARELY IN ZBA. YOU'RE NODDING AHEAD. YES. YEAH, I AGREE. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO WITH , PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE ISSUE, THE, THE ONE MAJOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE ARE DI MINIMUS, BUT MM-HMM. , THE, THE ONE THAT ONE SETBACK BACK AS A RESULT OF THE STRUCTURE, THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS A ZONING, ZONING BOARD ISSUE. NOT, NOT A PLANNING ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THEM. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO, TO, UH, I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I THINK, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULD NOTE THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS BEING PUT IN PROBABLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT IT COULD DRIVER WAS ALREADY THERE. NO. BUT THERE ADDING NEW DRIVEWAY, NEW DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY. UM, AND WE SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT WE THINK THAT ZBA HAS ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, INCLUDING THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR, BLAH, BLAH. YOU KNOW, I WOULD MAKE A SORT OF A, A FEEL GOOD. AN ENLIGHTENED NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION. . RIGHT. FEEL GOOD. NEUTRAL BOSS. YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE MOTION SECOND? I'M DONE. OKAY. I THINK I MAY HAVE WROTE THAT ALL DOWN, DIDN'T YOU? ALL IN FAVOR, ? AYE. ALL OPPOSED. OKAY. IT CARRIES, IT'LL BE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS WHAT NORMALLY WE DO WHEN IT'S REALLY A ZONING BOARD ISSUE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. [00:25:01] WE'LL GET THAT OFF TO YOU. AND, UM, ARE YOU ON WITH THE ZBA FOR EITHER TOMORROW EVENING OR DECEMBER? DECEMBER? UH, I THINK WE'RE ON FOR DECEMBER. OKAY. AS I HEARD. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT WELL IN ADVANCE. HAVE A GOOD DAY. OKAY. AND I'LL WORK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER THAT, UH, TIDY UP THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, STORMWATER FLOWS. AND, UH, THAT SHOULD BE EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN ORDER THEN, RIGHT? IF, IF IT COMES UP, BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE STORMWATER IS COMING UP, UM, THAT'S WITH THE ZBA RIGHT NOW. JUST MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. IF, IF IT COMES UP AT THE HEARING OKAY. THEY BRING UP THE THING ABOUT DRAINAGE IS IT'S, IT'S BEING ADDRESSED AND IT'S PART OF, THEY SAID THEY'LL, THEY'LL DEAL WITH IT WHEN THEY APPROVE, UH, DEAL WITH THE PERMITS. OKAY. OKAY. AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. YEAH. AND HAVE A, HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. UM, BEFORE WE GO ON, UH, I'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HAVE COME INTO THE ROOM AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE HAVE JOINED US IN ZOOM. I AGAIN WANNA SAY THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION PORTION OF TONIGHT, WE'LL START AROUND 8 45 JUST, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, PLAN A COURT ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. COULD BE A LITTLE EARLIER. IT COULD BE. IT'S GOING A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. SO BE HERE AROUND EIGHT 30. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A SCHEDULE SO FAR TONIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, I JUST, JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT COULD BE EARLIER 'CAUSE WE ARE AHEAD THE SCHEDULE. OKAY. PB CASE 23, UH, 2101 REALTY, 24 TERRYTOWN ROAD. UM, THIS IS FOR PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR RESTAURANT AND A REQUEST. THERE'S ALSO A, UH, REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM A CURRENT, UH, ZONING BOARD DECISION ON RESTRICTING A RESTAURANT AND IN REGARDS TO USING A DRIVE-THROUGH. RIGHT? YES. OKAY. UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A FEW LETTERS ON, ON THIS. GOT ONE FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHICH I WANT TO EXPLAIN AND, UH, WE COULD EVEN READ IT SHORT. DID YOU RECEIVE THAT LETTER? YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN WE GOT THE LETTER FROM YOU. YEP. YOU YESTERDAY. OKAY. UM, I THINK WHAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR BASICALLY SAID, AND THIS IS WHAT WE TOLD YOU AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THEY, AND THEY'RE JUST REINFORCING WHAT WAS SAID. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GIVE A BLANKET APPROVAL TO SOMETHING AND CHANGE, CHANGE A RESTRICTION. LIKE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A CHICKEN OF THE EGG SITUATION WITH YOU OKAY. RIGHT NOW. AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING PRE-APPROVED. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW TOO. UM, IT IT'S, IT COULD PARTICULARLY AFTER WHAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID, WHICH IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHETHER YOU NEED A VARIANCE UNTIL YOU TELL THEM WHO IT IS. THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY THAT SAYS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, IN VOLUME AND THERE'S LIKE A DIFFERENCE DEPENDING ON THE BUSINESS, HOW MUCH OF IT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE TAKEOUT FOR VERSUS . IT VERY MUCH DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS. OKAY. WHICH MAY, WHICH IS WHY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WON'T MAKE A DECISION ON THE VARIANCE UNTIL HE KNOWS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT IS. AND IT DOESN'T SAY WE CAN'T GO AHEAD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION UNTIL THEN. UM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU MY OPINION OF, OF YOUR REQUEST ON THE DRIVE THROUGH. OKAY. AND, UM, I REALLY THOUGHT THIS THROUGH, THROUGH A LOT IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF YEARS AS WELL. SO, UH, IT'S BOTH, BOTH THINGS DEALING WITH THIS. I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY IN THERE. WE WANT YOU TO SUCCEED, OBVIOUSLY. UM, I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME WOULD WOULD'VE A HARD TIME VOTING IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING A DRIVE-THROUGH FOR A RESTAURANT. NOW HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T THINK A DRIVE-THROUGH FOR A RESTAURANT A CLASSIC DRIVE-THROUGH IS APPROPRIATE. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IF YOU THINK A RESTAURANT FOOD, IT'S NOT PRE-PREPARED OR IT'S NOT PACKAGED IN, HANDED OUT LIKE MCDONALD'S OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT IS COOKED OR AT LEAST ASSEMBLED AT THE TIME. YOU ONLY HAVE SIX BASES FOR A DRIVE THROUGH. HERE'S MY MY SUGGESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY MR. IT WAS MR. SIMON'S SUGGESTION AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE. HERE'S THE COMPROMISE THAT I'D OFFER. AND I DON'T, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD. I'M ONLY ONE VOTE. OKAY? BUT THIS IS MY, MY OPINION ON THIS. I I'D AGREE TO A PICK UP WINDOW FOR RESTAURANT ON NOT A DRIVE [00:30:01] THROUGH. I JUST DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO A DRIVE THROUGH WITH A RESTAURANT, A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH SIT WITH ONLY SIX SPACES. I, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE CLASSIFICATION IS LIKE, THE DEFINITION IS, IS WHAT'S IS THE PROBLEM HERE. I MEAN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED AS FAR AS A, A RESTAURANT QUOTE UNQUOTE, UM, THERE ARE SOME MCDONALD'S THAT HAVE MORE THAN NINE SEATS, CORRECT? MOST MCDONALD'S HAVE MORE THAN NINE SEATS, BUT THEY ALL, THEY FALL INTO THE FAST FOOD CATEGORY. THERE AREN'T FAST FOOD THAT'S FAST. THAT'S FAST FOOD. TIM HORTON'S TELLS YOU THAT THEY'RE FAST FOOD. THEY, IF YOU GO ON THE WEBSITE, THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY'RE AQSR. OKAY? AND, AND SHOULD BE RATED THAT WAY. UM, YOUR ARGUMENT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT, BUT YOUR ARGUMENT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE HIGH VOLUME THERE. SO IF I KNOW YOU WERE GOING BACK THERE AND YOU WANTED TO REOPEN THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THAT'S ONE THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE. SO I'VE, I DON'T KNOW IF NOBODY'S GONNA USE THE DRIVE-THROUGH. IT SEEMS TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO YOUR FATHER THAT YOU HAVE THE DRIVE-THROUGH. THAT'S A KEY THING. AND THAT IN ITSELF IS A RED FLAG TO ME. 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY SIX, SIX SPACES. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD, MICHAEL. OKAY. I ARE YOU DONE? NO, GO AHEAD. OKAY. YEAH, WE, WE HAVE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TWO DECISIONS TO MAKE. ONE IS A REQUEST TO, UM, ADD SEATS. ALLOW SEATS UP TO 42 SEATS. YES SIR. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. YEP. THAT'S THE RESTAURANT SPECIAL PERMIT. AND THE NUMBER TWO IS TO VACATE THE ZONING BOARD'S, UM, LIMITATION OF THE USE OF THE RESTAURANT. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING BOARD LIMITATION. A RESTAURANT IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH AT THAT LOCATION. NO, IT SAYS, IT SAYS THE APPLICANT REQUIRES FROM RELIEF FROM A PORTION OF CONDITION, ONE OF THE ZBA, WHICH RESTRICTS THE USE TO A BAKERY, DELI, PIZZERIA OR ICE CREAM ST STAND. THAT'S RIGHT. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DRIVE THROUGH. THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. YOU HAVE TO READ IT IN CONTEXT. THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS PART OF IT'S WHAT DECISION WE ACTUALLY ELIMINATE AZBA CONDITION. NO, NO. WE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM. THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT THEY LIFT THE RESTRICTION TO A BAKERY, DELI, PIZZERIA OR ICE CREAM STAND. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE DOING. OKAY. AS WELL AS THERE'S A PARKING VARIANCE. YEAH. THERE'S ALSO PARKING. THERE'S AN INCIDENTAL FROM 28TH TO 21. I MEAN, LOOK, MY OPINION IS THIS, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS. HUGH. APPARENTLY YOU DO. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DRIVE-THROUGHS THE RELATION TO SEEDING AND IF IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER THE BUSINESS IS A BAKERY, DELI, PIZZERIA, OR ICE CREAM STAND. OH. UM, PERSONALLY I'M WILLING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AS MUCH FREEDOM AS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE TO DO THE BEST HE CAN IN THE SPACE. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THE PARKING. I MEAN, THE ONE THING YOU DON'T WANT IS FOR THIS PLACE TO BE SO SUCCESSFUL THAT THE CARS ARE DRIBBLING OUT, OUT, OUT. I GUESS PARKING WOULD BE QUEUING OLD KENGO ROAD PARKING. PARKING WOULD BE QUEUING MICHAEL THE QUEUING. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT, AND PARKING. YOU DON'T WANT 'EM PARKING IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY BE A CHICK-FIL-A ACROSS THE STREET OR RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THING YOU DON'T WANT. SO I'M WILLING TO GIVE HIM AS MUCH, MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE WITH THE PROVISO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION BE REVIEWED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN A YEAR AND SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AN OUT OF CONTROL PARKING OR DRIVE THROUGH SITUATION. YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REVIEW IT AFTER, AFTER YOU GIVE SOMEBODY A LEASE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO DO. UM, 'CAUSE THAT POINT I THINK THEY COULD ACTUALLY DECLARE A HARDSHIP THAT THEY'RE GONNA LOSE THE LEASE. AM I RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. BUT I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT LIMITING, LIMITING IT TO A PICKUP WINDOW VERSUS A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW. BIG DIFFERENCE. SO I KNOW YOU SAY THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, KNOWLEDGE, BACKGROUND OR ANYTHING TO MAKE ANY KIND OF A JUDGMENT ON IT. OKAY. AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING ON THIS. OKAY. WELL, WE COULD PUN IT TO THE ZONING BOARD, BUT I DON'T, UH, IS THERE A, AND I JUST WANT US TO THINK IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE IN TERMS OF A BUSINESS BEING ABLE TO NOT HAVE BARRIERS TO SEEKING THE BEST TENANT POSSIBLE. WHILE I DON'T KNOW IF THE, YOU WERE SAYING THAT POST POST LEASE, WE CAN'T VET IT OR WE CAN'T, WE WON'T HAVE A DECISION AFTER A LEASES DECIDE SIGN SIGN. BUT IS THERE A SWEET SPOT BEFORE THAT'S DONE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS OF ANY POTENTIAL, UM, PEOPLE THAT WOULD, OR, OR BUSINESSES THAT, [00:35:01] RESTAURANTS THAT WOULD BE THERE? LET ME ASK THE OPPOSITE IF I MAY. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU HEARD MY CONCERN. YOU KNOW, IF WE GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE QUEUE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH SPILLS OUT ONTO ALL KENSICO ROAD? IF PEOPLE DRIVE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, TO PARK IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT POTENTIAL PROBLEM? UH, I MEAN, I, ME MENTIONED IN, IN MY LETTER THAT I WROTE, UM, IT'S REALLY IN THE, THE REST INTEREST TO KEEP THAT UNDER CONTROL. THEY, THEY COULD SEND SOMEBODY OUTSIDE IF THERE'S THE LINE IS QUEUING UP AND HAVE THEM EITHER PARK AND SAY THEY GOTTA GO INSIDE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STREET PARKING OVER THERE. SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYBODY WOULD BE PARKING IN CHICK-FIL-A OR WHATEVER'S GONNA GO THERE. UM, AND UH, TO HER POINT, UM, YOUR YOUR POINT IN, IN THE LETTER THAT I WROTE ALSO, I, I SORT OF LAID OUT OUR PROCEDURE, WHAT WE DO. YOU KNOW, IF WE GET A TENANT, WE CALL THE TOWN AND WE SAY, HEY, IS X GOOD? IF THEY SAY YES OR NO, UM, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GO ALONG WITH THAT. IF THEY SAY NO, WE, WE DON'T CONTINUE NEGOTIATING WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S A DEAD END. SO IT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST SAYING WE HAVE THE RESTAURANT AND WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, PUSH SOMEBODY ALONG BECAUSE WE GOT A RESTAURANT USE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONSULT WITH THE TOWN WITH BASICALLY EVERYBODY THAT WE START TALKING TO. OKAY. CAREER RISK NEXT, THEN YOU TALK. OKAY. I THINK CONSIDERING, UH, THAT THERE IS SO MUCH UNKNOWN, UH, IT'D BE GOOD TO SORT OF COME BACK WITH WHEN YOU HAVE A, SOME DEFINITIVE PROPOSAL. UH, LIKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS, UH, UH, TELLING THAT, THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY MAKE ANY, ANY KIND OF, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR REVIEW IT UNLESS THEY SEE WHAT ACTUALLY THEY ARE, UH, UH, GIVING OPINION ON IT. AND I THINK WE ARE IN THE SAME BOAT THAT, UH, IT JUST SO MUCH UNKNOWNS THAT I, I FEEL THAT IT'S BE BETTER OFF FOR YOU, UH, CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT WRITING A BLANK CHECK, UH, TO ME LOOKS A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, KIND OF OVER THE, OVER THE LIMIT. OKAY. TOM, INTERRUPT. I, I HAVE A QUESTION AND I'M ASKING ERIN AND AMANDA TO HELP ME ON THIS. SO RIGHT NOW THE RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS FOR, UH, PRE-ORDERED OR PREVIOUSLY PREPARED ITEMS, CORRECT? CORRECT. WHICH IF IT'S ADHERED TO, IT MEANS YOU'RE NOT PULLING UP TO A SPEAKER AND THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A FULL MEAL FOR YOU WHILE YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE. YOU ARE PULLING UP TO A SPEAKER THOUGH. EXACTLY. YES. YOU'RE STILL PULLING UP TO A COULD BE, IT SAYS LIMITED MENU BOARD. YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE A MENU BOARD AND THEY DID, YOU HAD ONE. THEY HAD ONE. IF WE AGREE, IF WE WERE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU GET THE RESTAURANT, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT SAME RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE THROUGH AND SIX MONTHS LATER WE FIND THAT'S NOT THE CASE, IS THERE ANY REMEDY FOR THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T SHUT DOWN A LEASE AFTERWARDS, BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT IN CONDITIONS. SO TO MICHAEL'S POINT, AND ALSO TO YOUR POINT IS YOU CAN PUT IN CONDITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, FORESEEING PARTICULAR ISSUES. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE QUEUING, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PUT IN AS A CONDITION THAT IN EVALUATION OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, IT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OR MEASURES OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE TO ADDRESS LIKE, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY OR TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IF, IF IT'S A CONSTANT ISSUE, THEN SPECIAL PERMIT COULD BE REVOKED. RIGHT. I, UM, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL THAT I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH LEEWAY AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT I ALSO AGREE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PROBLEM. AND I KNOW YOU DON'T EITHER, BUT, AND I ALSO, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING SAW TWO NEWS FEATURES, ONE WRITTEN AND ONE ON TV ABOUT HOW DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE BECOMING CRITICAL TO SO MANY, UH, RESTAURANT BUSINESSES. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE ONE. UM, I THINK IF THE, IF WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT RESTRICTION, UM, I'M MORE WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH LETTING IT BE A RESTAURANT. AND I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT I COULD SAY TO THAT TOO IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A RESTRICTION WHEN I WAS OPERATING THE PLACE THAT IT HAD TO BE PRE-ORDERED OR, OR, UH, PRE-MADE STUFF. AND LIKE I MENTIONED LAST TIME, THERE WAS NOT ONE ISSUE WITH THAT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC OVER THERE. AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, COUPLE TIMES. SO YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT RESTRICTION AS FAR AS KEEPING IT AS IT IS PRE-MADE AND YEAH, THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. DO YOU SOMETHING TO SAY THAT? I'LL SAY, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT. UM, YOU GOTTA TURN YOUR MIC ON WALTER AND SPEAK INTO IT. PLEASE. THANK YOU. THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT OKAY, IF YOU DECLARE THIS AS A RESTAURANT [00:40:01] AND AS, UH, UH, ANY RESTAURANT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE TAKEOUT, OKAY? NOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION FOR YOU IF YOU ARE A RESTAURANT AND WE WE CAN MAKE AN, UH, ADJUSTMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING SPACES. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE A TAKEOUT SERVICE LIKE ANY RESTAURANT, MOST RESTAURANTS HAVE, YOU COULD, UH, ORDER AND JUST COME AND PICK UP. IS THAT A VIABLE BUSINESS OPTION? THAT WOULD BE JUST USING THE WINDOW AS A PICKUP WINDOW? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. YEAH. TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK. WHY, WHY NOT SO MANY OTHER RESTAURANTS HAVE THAT? SO WHY WOULD IT NOT WORK IN YOUR RESTAURANT? LET ANSWER. WELL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF A DRIVE THROUGH, MOST OF THE TIME YOU THINK OF GOING THERE AND, AND ORDERING SOMETHING, NOT JUST LIKE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF PEOPLE PULL UP THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, I WANNA ORDER SOMETHING. THEY'RE LIKE, OH NO, IT'S ONLY PICKUP ONLY. IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING. AND, AND, AND, AND TO BE HONEST, LET'S SAY IF, IF I WAS STILL IN BUSINESS OVER THERE AND, AND WE WERE BEFORE THE BOARD LOOKING FOR THIS RESTAURANT USE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GETTING VERY CONFUSING. REALLY ALL WE'RE LOOKING IS FOR A NUMBER OF SEATS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO LIKE PUT LIKE A, A MORTON'S IN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW. LIKE IF IT WAS STILL NESTOS AND WE CAME HERE AND WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SEATS, THE USE OF THE RESTAURANT WOULDN'T CHANGE. NOT ONE MENU ITEM WOULD CHANGE. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. BUT ALLOW US TO PUT MORE THAN EIGHT SEATS. SO I MEAN, MEAN THIS WHOLE THING SEEMS LIKE ABOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH. IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS STILL GONNA HAVE THE SAME, UH, SAME RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS PICKUP AND PRE-ORDER. I, OKAY, BUT WALTER, TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESTAURANT THAT HAS A WINDOW JUST FOR PICKUP. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW. YOU MEAN JUST FOR PICKUP, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE HERE THAT QUITE FRANKLY YOU ARE AN ODD QUOTE, ODDBALL CASE. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NEITHER A RESTAURANT OR A DRIVE-THROUGH BECAUSE YOU DON'T FIT, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO YOUR BUSINESS MODEL, YOU DON'T FIT E EITHER ONE. SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS HOW, HOW DO WE GO PUT OUR HANDS AROUND THAT, MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, THAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, WHAT FLEXIBILITY DO WE HAVE? IF YOU RENT IT OUT TO UH, UH, UH, SOMEONE WITH THAT PARTICULAR MODEL? I MEAN, I DON'T ENHANCE. SO THEN HOW DO WE MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS AFTER THE FACT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT? IF WE HAVE BACKUP IN THE ROAD, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT CORRECTION? UH, I MEAN AS FAR AS LIKE THE USE THERE, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ME. IF YOU'RE ASKING LIKE WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF IT STARTED BACKING UP, IS THAT SORT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? LIKE IF THE QUEUE STARTED BACKING UP, I MEAN, IF I WAS IN BUSINESS THERE AND THE QUEUE STARTED BACKING UP, I WOULD TELL SOMEBODY TO GO OUTSIDE AND SAY, HEY, EITHER TAKE THEIR ORDER, YOU KNOW, FIGURE SOMETHING OUT WHERE WE HAVE AN ORDERING SYSTEM WHERE THEY WALK OUT TO THE CAR THAT'S OVER THERE AND SAY, WE'LL TAKE YOUR ORDER. GO PARK. OR EITHER TELL 'EM TO PARK AND GO INSIDE OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A, A CASE BY CASE BASIS AT THAT POINT. BUT YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A RESTRICTION, IF YOU GIVE US SOMETHING AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S TRAFFIC, CAN WE REMOVE THE RESTRICTION? I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A QUESTION FOR ME, BUT ASKING FOR, WELL THAT IS, THAT LIES THE, THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT ARE DOOR, OKAY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHICH WAY WE SHOULD GO. UH, IF THINGS, IF WE MAKE THE DECISION, WE GO ONE WAY, BUT THERE'S NO, WE HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO REVERSE IT. BUT WE MAKING A DECISION OF AN UNKNOWN. I UNDERSTAND. SO THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER THING TOO. LET'S SAY IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THIS PERMIT AND THE ZONING BOARD DID THE SAME THING, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A RESTAURANT IN THERE BECAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT COULD GO DOWN LIKE ALL, I MEAN REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US MORE LEEWAY AS FAR AS WHO WE COULD RENT IT TO. BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE SPEAK TO, THEY DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THIS. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S NEGOTIATE A LEASE. LET'S DO X, Y, AND Z. LET'S PLAN. AND THEN LET'S SAY, HEY, LET'S GO THROUGH TWO OR THREE MONTHS OF, OF MEETINGS TO SEE IF WE CAN DO IT. UNFORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY, GIVEN WHAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR LETTER SAID, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TONIGHT AND WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT THE ZONING BOARD'S GONNA DO, YOU'RE GOING TO GO, GO THROUGH, THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS OF SOME SORT. 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S JUDGMENT BASED ON THE SPECIFIC, UH, TENANT. RIGHT. OF WHETHER, WHETHER OR NOT, BUT YOU NEED A VARIANCE OR NOT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS WHO IS GONNA SAY IF, IF THIS IS CLASSIFIED AS WHATEVER, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS IF HE, HE'S GONNA BE THE ONE TO SAY YES OR NO. CORRECT. AND THEN, THEN YOU CAN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPLY FOR VARIANCE. NO, BUT I'M SAYING IF THE USE IS PERMITTED, HE'S GONNA SAY RESTAURANT X IS [00:45:01] GONNA OKAY. OR RESTAURANT X IS NOT. OKAY. WELL, CERTAIN USES WILL NOT BE PERMITTED QSOR. RIGHT. GIVEN WHAT'S LIKELY OR MAY GO ACROSS THE STREET IS NOT GONNA BE PERMITTED THERE. LET'S SAY IF IT'S ABA BAKERY WITH WITH AND THEY WANT 15 SEATS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT. IF A BAKERY COMES TO US AND SAYS, HEY, WE ARE NOT ONLY GONNA RENT IT IF WE CAN GET 15 SEATS, YOU'RE MIXING TWO METAPHORS. I, THE, THE, AND I, I THINK MICHAEL POINTED OUT WE SHOULD GO BACK TO IT. THE SEATING, LET'S PUT THE SEATING ASIDE FOR A SECOND. OKAY. BUT THAT, TO, TO BE HONEST, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. BUT IT'S NOT THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE I SEE YOUR FATHER SHAKING YOUR HEAD WHEN I'M SAYING JUST CHANGE IT. GET RID OF THE MENU BOARD, LET THEM HAVE AN APP, LET THEM CALL UP FOR TAKEOUT AND PICK IT UP AT THE WINDOW. LET UBER PICK UP AT THE WINDOW. HE ALREADY SAID THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. I HAD, THAT'S, I THINK LESLIE IS A QUESTION. NO, I CAN I RUN THE MEETING PLEASE? THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. OKAY. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT THIS, AND YOU SAID IT TOO, THAT THE MENU IS, IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. LET LET, LESLIE HAS BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR A COMMENT. GO AHEAD. I THINK THAT ANY BUSINESS THAT WOULD GO IN THERE, AND AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AT THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUSINESS, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A MORTON'S WOULD BE CONCERNED JUST AS A BUSINESS MODEL, NOT TO HAVE CUSTOMERS BACKED UP, NOT TO HAVE THEM WAITING, THAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL WOULD BE BUILT ON BEING ABLE, IF THEY'RE SERVING FOOD THAT'S PREPARED RIGHT THERE WOULD BE TO GET THE CUSTOMER IN AND OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S BAD BUSINESS. NOW AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONGER TIME, BUT I JUST CAN'T SEE A BUSINESS SAYING, YEAH. AND WE'RE GONNA SIT THERE AND HAVE PEOPLE BACKED UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS WE'RE DOING GOOD BUSINESS. 'CAUSE EVENTUALLY THAT DOES NOT WORK FOR THE CUSTOMER. THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE THING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO I I HAVE A COMMENT WHEN LESLIE'S DONE. OKAY. YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK ANY BUSINESS THAT WOULD LOOK AT BEING THERE AS A RESTAURANT, EVEN WITH THE TAKEOUT WINDOW, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO FORMULATE THEIR BUSINESS IN A WAY WHERE THE TAKEOUT IS NOT GOING TO BE, CAN I PLEASE HAVE ONE STEAK MEDIUM RARE AND ONE STEAK? YOU KNOW? WELL, YOU CAN'T, UNDER THE RESTRICTION CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT RESTRICTION TO BE LIFTED ON THE, ON THE LIMITED MENU. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. SO, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE TO ME EITHER, BUT THAT'S OKAY. SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S A LIMITED MENU WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AND IT'S CALLED A RESTAURANT, I JUST CAN'T SEE A BUSINESS BUILDING A BUSINESS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BACK UP ON THEIR BUSINESS. MICHAEL, UM, JUST ONE QUESTION BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENT. WHEN WE APPROVED THIS RECENT CHANGE OF MIDWAY FOR THAT RESTAURANT TO GO INTO THE DRESS BARN MM-HMM. . YES. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT DRESSER EXACTLY DID WE WE NO, WE DID NOT. CHICK-FIL-A YEP. WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. CORRECT. WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH. BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT PARKING. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, LOOK TO T'S POINT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE. IT'LL BE NICE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TENANT IS GONNA SIGN UP. IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW THE VOLUME OF CARS PER HOUR GO THERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW ANY OF THAT. WE DIDN'T KNOW CHICK-FIL-A IS GOING INTO MIDWAY. IN FACT, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GRANTED A NUMBER OF SPECIAL PERMITS HAVING NO IDEA WHICH RESTAURANT WOULD BE GOING IN THERE. ULTIMATELY. I MEAN, WE APPROVED THE DRIVE INTO THIS RESTAURANT, WHAT, EIGHT YEARS AGO? WE HAD PROBABLY ONE 10TH OF DISCUSSION THEN. AND THAT WAS NEW THAT WE'RE HAVING. EXCUSE ME. WE HAD A HUGE PUSHBACK. I, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE. OKAY. BUT GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MICHAEL, I WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE MICHAEL, GET YOUR FACTS IF I WEREN'T INTERRUPTED IN THE MIDDLE, GET YOUR FACTS WHEN I'M DONE. YOU ARE WELCOME TO CORRECT MY FACTS. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. UM, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE WE'RE HAVING THREE TIMES THE DISCUSSION AS CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS DOUBLE THE SIZE OR TRIPLE THE SIZE. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE SCRUTINY THAT THIS APPLICATION IS GETTING. I'M WITH LESLIE, GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN PUT WHATEVER CONDITIONS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC AND THE OVERFLOW, WHICH IS GONNA BE A BUSY PART OF TOWN. IF CHICK-FIL-A GETS IN THERE, I MEAN, IT'S GOT THE POTENTIAL TO BE A REAL MESS, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW. UM, I'M DONE. ANY CORRECTIONS? YES. TWO. FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE PROBABLY SPENT, UH, WE SPENT A LOT MORE TIME ON CHICK-FIL-A THAN WE HAVE ON THIS. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. SECOND. UM, WHEN THIS DID COME UP ORIGINALLY IT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL WITH THE COMMUNITY. I REMEMBER, OKAY. WE, WE, WE ENDED UP HAVING TO HOLD IT OVER. BACK ME UP ON THAT. RIGHT? YEAH. IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL WITH THE COMMUNITY BACK THEN. IN FACT, SILLY THINGS HAVE BEEN CONTROVERSIAL WITH THE COMMUNITY. THE EIGHT SEATS WERE CONTROVERSIAL WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I ALWAYS THOUGHT [00:50:01] WAS ABSURD. THE ORIGINAL, YOUR ORIGINAL INCIDENTAL DINING. OKAY. WHEN THAT THAT CAME UP, THE COMPROMISE WAS TO DO WHAT WE WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE NOW. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE YOU MAKE IT. WE WANTED TO SEE YOU SURVIVE. WE STILL WANTED TO SEE YOU RENT IT. MY PROBLEM IS, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE FOOD BUSINESS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I'VE WORKED WITH QSRS FOR A GREAT DEAL OF TIME. I KNOW ABOUT QUEUING THEORY. I KNOW HOW THESE PLACES WORK AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A SUCCESSFUL DRIVE-THROUGH WITH A TRADITIONAL RESTAURANT IN THERE. LIKE A SUSHI RESTAURANT, FOR EXAMPLE. SUSHI IS MADE IF SUSHI'S GOOD, SUSHI'S MADE TO ORDER. GOD FORBID IT'S IT FOR TOO LONG. RIGHT? IT'S MADE, MADE FOR, FOR OR MADE TO ORDER. OKAY. YOU CAN GET IT, YOU CAN GET IT IN CERTAIN PLACES. OKAY. OKAY. MADE TO ORDER. IT TAKES IN ANY, ANY SUSHI RESTAURANT I'VE EVER BEEN TO AT LEAST 10 MINUTES FOR THEM TO MAKE THE SUSHI. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH WITH ONLY SIX CARS WITH 10 MINUTES. I DON'T LIKE DRAFTING LEGISLATION OR, OR GIVING PERMITS, GUESSING ON, ON WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR DEPENDING ON SOMEBODY WE HAVEN'T EVEN MET. LET'S TO, TO CONTROL THAT. SO IF WE USE THE SUSHI RESTAURANT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRIVE THROUGH WOULD STILL BE FOR PRE-MADE OR PICKUP ORDERS. SO IF THEY HAVE SUSHI, LIKE YOU GO INTO THE SUPERMARKET AND YOU COULD GET SUSHI THAT'S ALREADY PRE-MADE IN THE SUPERMARKET, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD SERVE AT THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW. BUT IF YOU DON'T GRANT US THE NINE SEATS AND THEY SAY, LISTEN, WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND SIT DOWN, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH FOR OTHER ORDERS. UH, SOUP THAT'S PRE-MADE. LIKE I SAID, PRE-MADE SUSHI. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING IN THAT SENSE. I MEAN, LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR MORE THAN EIGHT SEATS REALLY. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR LIKE A RESTAURANT. I YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SEATS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SEATS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT TRIPS THE RESTAURANT. HEY, GO AHEAD. THE SEATS. OKAY, GO AHEAD. I THINK ADDING A FEW MORE SEATS, I'M, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING IF WE SAY YOU CAN HAVE A RESTAURANT OF THIS SIZE AND MAINTAIN THE RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE-THRU, ANYONE WHO'S LOOKING AT THAT, THAT'S FINE KNOWS THAT'S FINE. THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH. THEY ONLY HAVE UP TO THIS MANY SEATS. I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO RUN A SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT COMING INTO A PLACE WITH A FOOTPRINT AND A LAYOUT THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM. I AGREE. SO I'M WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH IT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? CORRECT? I THINK, UH, I'LL GET IN A SECOND NEA THEN I'LL GET YOU TO YOU A SECOND. I PROMISE. OKAY. I I, I THINK, UH, TOM SORT OF UH, UH, SPLIT OUT THE THINGS THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY, UH, UH, CROOKS OF THE WHOLE THING IS, AND THAT'S REALLY CREATING A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. UH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU REALLY ASKING FOR THE TWO PART THINGS. ONE IS, UH, UH, OPPOSITE PARKING FROM 28 TO 21, WHICH PROBABLY WE CAN, UH, UNDERSTAND AND MAKE A, MAKE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE, GET INTO IT. BUT I THINK THE RELIEF FROM ZB EIGHT DECISION, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, WHETHER THAT'S A REALLY, UH, TO BEGIN WITH IS OUR, TO REALLY KIND OF RECOMMEND OR CHANGE IT PARKING GENERALLY. WE, WE DO. WE DO WE? NO, BUT THIS IS THIS. WE COULD PUMP, WE COULD PUMP THAT WHOLE THING TO ZBA. WE ABSOLUTELY COULD IF YOU WANT TO. I, I, I, I, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T THINK I'D DO THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. I THOUGHT, HUGH, YOU SAID RECENTLY THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE DECIDING USES THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THEIR THAT'S OUR PURVIEW. THAT'S OUR PURVIEW. I AGREE. SO I DON'T WANT TO PUNT THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU, THE CONDITION, THE CONDITION IN THE ZBA JUST SAYS, SAYS BASICALLY BECAUSE WE'D BE CHANGING IT TO A RESTAURANT, THAT CONDITION SAYS THAT A RESTAURANT IS NOT ALLOWED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THAT CONDITION. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GIVING US MORE SEATS TO MAKE IT UP. AND I KEEP PUTTING IN QUOTES RESTAURANT. NO, NO. ACTUALLY THE, IT'S WRITTEN AND WE WENT OVER THIS THE OTHER YESTERDAY AND OUR PRE-MEETING, IT'S WRITTEN IN A STRAND. THE WHOLE DECISION WAS, WAS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESTAURANT. IT IS NOT THEIR DECISION CONDITION. ONE IS THE USE. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE, YOU'RE TAKING 'EM OUTTA CONTEXT. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER. THAT'S THE POINT. READ WHAT IT IS. THERE IS AN APPLICATION FOR DRIVE THROUGH. RIGHT. SO THE CASE NUMBER WAS ZBA 22 DASH 42. THE DECISION WAS DATED FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023. THE RELIEF APPLIED FOR, UH, WAS TO OFFER DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH NON DELICATE TESTS AND OPERATIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, IT WAS RESOLVED THAT THE APPLICATION IS TREATED AS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM CONDITION NUMBER SIX TO A DECISION OF THIS BOARD CASE NUMBER, UH, 13 DASH 18, WHICH RESTRICTED THE USE OF A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW TO BE ACCESSORY TO A DELICATE TEST AND USE ONLY. AS SUCH, THE APPLICATION HERE IS IN HEREIN IS [00:55:01] GRANTED, AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THE SITE BE A DELICATESSEN SET FORTH IN CONDITION NUMBER SIX OF OUR DECISION IN CASE NUMBER 13 DASH 18 IS HEREBY REMOVED AND THE EXISTING DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW SHALL BE PERMITTED TO REMAIN PROVIDED THAT, AND I'LL READ THROUGH THE THREE, RIGHT. FOURTH, THERE'S MULTIPLE CONDITIONS. ONE, THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THE SITE IS FOOD RELATED, BUT NOT BY A RESTAURANT. COMMA, QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT. RIGHT. AS THOSE TERMS ARE DEFINED IN THE CODE, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING RELIEF ON TO ELIMINATE THE RESTRICTION ON RESTAURANT. BUT IT DOES OBVIOUSLY RELATE TO THE DRIVE THROUGH. UM, TWO, THE USE OF THE WINDOW IS RESTRICTED TO PICK UP A PRE-ORDERED ITEMS, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH BEFORE. RIGHT. AND PREVIOUSLY PREPARED FOODS. THREE TALKS ABOUT A DEEDED RESTRICTION REQUIRED BY CONDITION NUMBER SIX OF THE, OF THE 13 DASH 18 DECISION, DECISION, BE REVISED OR REFLECT THIS NEW DECISION. AND THEN, UH, ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF THE 1318 APPROVAL SHALL REMAIN EFFECTIVE. OKAY. YOU WERE WAITING TO SPEAK. AND THEN WALTER, I'M ERNEST, UH, FROM, UH, NESTOS PIZZERIA. UM, PRIOR, WHEN THE BOARD GRACIOUSLY SAID YOU COULD HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, UM, I, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY, THEY THOUGHT EVERYTHING OUT. NOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, THERE'S A MENU BOARD UP THERE. SOMEBODY CAN'T SAY GIMME A STEAK, MEDIUM RARE WITH ONIONS TOASTED. THIS WHAT'S EVER ON THE MENU BOARD, WHICH PRE-MADE, IS SOLD THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW. IF IT WASN'T THAT WAY, THE CUSTOMERS COULDN'T GET IT. YOU SAID, COME PARK YOUR CAR AND GET OUT. NOW, WHEN THE BOARD GRACIOUSLY THIS BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD GRACIOUSLY GAVE US THAT APPROVAL, WE HAD EIGHT LESS PARKING SPACES. THAT'S TRUE. NOW I WENT, BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FOR THE STATE, MADE EIGHT NEW SPACES. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO RENT THE PLACE. NOW ALL THE PEOPLE MAKE, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND, MA'AM. TAKE YOUR PHONE. CALL OUTSIDE, PLEASE. EXCUSE ME. MISS, MISS, PLEASE TAKE YOUR PHONE. CALL OUTSIDE IF YOU EMERGENCY. OKAY. BUT STILL SHOULD BE OUTSIDE. THANK YOU. I I, I FORGOT MY, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU SAID YOU'RE BENDING OVER BACK, BEN BENDING OVER BACK IF YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, ALL THE POLES THAT WE GOT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT A HUNDRED SEATS IN THERE. THEY SAID, LISTEN, EIGHT SEATS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR US. YEAH, I KNOW. WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA USE THE, WE WANT THE WINDOW. WE DON'T WANT IT IF IT DON'T HAVE THE WINDOW, BUT WE NEED A FEW MORE SEATS NOW. WE ALREADY GOT EIGHT MORE PARKING SPACES. SO IF THE BOARD SEES, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS NOW THAT YOU GOT EIGHT MORE PARKING SPACE, A FEW MORE TABLES. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR. DO YOU NEED 42 SEATS? IS THAT NO CLOCK? NO, I DON'T NEED 42 SEATS. YOU WANT GIVE US TWO DOZEN SEATS? I'M SURE THAT'S SUFFICIENT. WE'RE ONLY MAKING LESS SEATS. I'M REALLY CONFUSED. BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE THING IS THE RESTAURANT. NOW I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED. YOU SAID WE COULDN'T DO, WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE PARKING. THAT'S, THAT'S, I AM, I'M SAYING MY PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE SIX SPACES IN THE QUEUE. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. THAT'S BEEN MY PROBLEM SINCE WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT WAS MY PROBLEM AT THE LAST MEETING. OKAY. BUT WE HAD THAT DECISION ALREADY. THAT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. THAT'S OVER. NO, IT'S NOT THE, THE BOARD ALREADY GAVE US THAT. NO. DO YOU WANNA SAY NO, WE DID NOT A RESTAURANT. THAT'S THE POINT. WHAT'S TRIGGERING THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS YOUR DESIRE FOR THE, WHAT'S TRIGGERING IT IS THE DESIRE FOR THE SEATS, WHICH CHANGES THE DEFINITION FROM A DELI TO A RESTAURANT. THAT'S WHAT'S TRIGGERING IN OUR CODE. YEAH. WE GET A VARIANCE FOR 15 SEATS ON INCIDENTAL DINING ROOM. OKAY. ONLY NEED IS A FEW MORE SEATS. OH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. I LIKE THAT IDEA. ARE YOU, YOU, YOU MAY BE ONTO SOMETHING THERE. I'VE GOT CALL AFTER CALL AFTER CALL, AND THEY SAID THEY CAN'T DO IT WITH EIGHT SEATS RESTAURANT. LIKE IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. BUT IT'S, THAT'S, AND AND I KEEP SAYING NO, YOU KEEP SAYING YES. IT'S, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED WHAT YOU WANT. IT'S WHERE DID, WHERE DID THE 42 SEATS COME FROM? YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU COULD GET. NOW, I, I THINK AGAIN, IF WE KNEW THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TWO, FOUR SEATS A SECOND, FOUR SEATS, AND WE HAD A TENANT FOR 24 SEATS, WE, WE SAY THAT, I MEAN, WHY NOT ASK FOR THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU COULD GET? OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON IS THERE, BASED ON THE, THE LAYOUT NEXT, THE BUILDING. RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY HIS QUESTION. OH, GO AHEAD [01:00:01] AND CLARIFY IT. SO THE 42 WAS, YOU LOOKED AT YOUR FOOTPRINT AND SAID, THIS IS HOW MANY WE COULD FIT. EXACTLY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO, SORRY. I BROUGHT IT TO AN ARCHITECT AND THE ARCHITECT SAYS, WELL, YOU COULD GET 42 CC. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE, WALTER. WE WE'RE GOING ROUND AROUND A CIRCLE. YES, WE ARE. SO LET'S, LET'S WORK BACKWARDS AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO GET IN TERMS OF HOW MANY SEATS AND, UH, AND, UH, OPERATION OF THE, UH, THE, THE WINDOW. WHAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF MENU THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IF YOU GET X NUMBER OF SEATS AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT DRIVE-IN WINDOW. SEE IF THAT'S PLAUSIBLE AMONG WITH YOU AND THE BOARD THEN DETERMINE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN CHANGE OF A VARIANCE TO LET THAT HAPPEN. BECAUSE WE ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS. AND WE ARE GOING AROUND, AROUND THE CIRCLES. SO LET'S, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE SEEKING? WHAT IS IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF SEATS? SORRY. THE CONVERSION, UH, THE PROPOSED CONVERSION TO A RESTAURANT SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE 28 PARKING SPACES. UH, THAT IS A FUNCTION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FACILITY, WHICH IS ABOUT 1750, UH, SQUARE FEET. UM, THE NUMBER OF SEATS WOULD NOT AFFECT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM, NO, THE QUESTION THOUGH, MATT, MATT, HOLD ON. THE QUESTION, I THINK THOUGH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAT. WHAT IF WE PROPOSED OF A, A VARIANCE FOR ADDITIONAL 15 SEAT SEATS FOR INTER RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WE DID LOOK AT THIS PREVIOUSLY. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT CAME UP AMONGST STAFF. BUT THE WAY THE PROVISION READS, AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN DEFER TO AMANDA, BUT FOR INCIDENTAL DINING SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH FALLS UNDER, UH, SECTION 2 85, 36. OKAY. SPECIFICALLY STATES, ANY BAKERY, PIZZERIA, DELICATESSEN OR ICE CREAM STAND MAY APPLY TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT TO OFFER SEATING FOR A MAXIMUM. OH, SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR RESTRICTION. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S, THAT'S, AND YOU WANT THE RESTRICTIONS CHANGED. WAS I I ON OKAY. I DIDN'T FINISH WALTER WALTER THEN, THEN. BUT IT STILL GOES BACK TO WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE SAY THAT, THAT, UH, WHAT SEEMS REASONABLE AMONG US IS OUTSIDE OF THE CODE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A VARIANCE OF, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THIS, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CODE'S WRITTEN. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A, A VARIANCE TO INCLUDE A RESTAURANT IF THAT WAS A POTENTIAL TENANT. THAT WAS SOMETHING OTHER THAN A BAKERY PIZZERIA. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. A DELICATE TEST IN A ICE CREAM STAND. SO, WHICH THEY WANT THAT FLEXIBILITY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT THAT, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT WE ARE NOT, WE NOT AJE. UH, WE KEEP ON GOING AROUND. I HAVE AN IDEA. SO WAIT A MINUTE. LEMME FINISH. SO GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REASONABLE CONFIGURATION TO MAKE FOR A VIABLE BUSINESS? LET US LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AROUND THIS TABLE. AND THEN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A REASONABLE PLAN, BUT IT REQUIRES 1, 2, 3 VARIANTS, WHATEVER. AND YOU GO THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD TO GET IT. SO IF I SAID, GIVE US TWO DOZEN SEATS AND KEEP THE RESTRICTION ON THE DRIVE THROUGH AS FAR AS PRE-ORDER AND PICKUP, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES. BUT IT WOULD LIFT THE RESTAURANT RESTRICTION. WHAT DO YOU MEAN LIFT THE RESTAURANT RESTRICTION? RIGHT NOW YOU'RE RESTRICTED, YOU CAN'T HAVE A RESTAURANT IN A DRIVE THROUGH. OKAY. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT WE COULD DO ALONG YOUR LINES, 'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU REALLY NEEDED THE 42 SEATS. YEAH. BEFORE YOU SAID THAT IS, UM, LOWER THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHETHER IT BE 24, MAYBE EVEN 30, WHICH ALSO LOWERS YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS HELPFUL. NO, IT, IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T. BUT, BUT IT, BUT IN MY MIND, IT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BECAUSE SIX OF THOSE SPACES ARE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING. OKAY. IT'S REALLY OUR PARKING SPACES. BUT UNDER OUR CODE, THEY ARE. OKAY. SO I COULD SEE US IF WE, IF WE LOWERED THE NUMBER OF SEATS. I MEAN, RATIONALLY, IF LOWERED THE NUMBER OF SEATS AND KEPT THE DRIVE THROUGH WITH THE CURRENT PRE-PACKAGED RESTRICTIONS, THEN YOU COULD LET, LET 'EM HAVE A RE IS LIFT THE RESTAURANT. IS THAT ALLOWED? I MEAN, IS OVER, YOU HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE. WELL, WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT. WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT TO THE ZONING BOARD AS A, CAN I ASK MY QUESTION? SURE THING. UM, THIS IS TO AARON. AARON. MM-HMM. . CAN WE, WHAT DO WE, WHAT, WHAT COULD WE DO TONIGHT? CAN WE [01:05:01] WHAT? APPROVE, LET'S SAY 32 SEATS. OH, RECOMMENDATION. APPROVE THE PARKING REDUCTION AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA REGARDING THE CHANGE IN THEIR RESTRICTION. WHAT EXACTLY? YOU WON'T BE MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT. RECOMMENDATION ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT. RIGHT. LOOKING AT A RECOMMENDATION OF THE ZONING BOARD. YEAH. ON THE PARK OFF STREET PARKING, UH, REQUEST. OH, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THEM. YEAH. YEAH. FROM 28 TO 21. OKAY. THAT'S A VARIANCE. OKAY. AND THEN THE RELIEF FROM THE CONDITION OF THE PRIOR EBA APPROVAL CONDITIONS, ACTUALLY. YEAH. RIGHT. TOM, THE SPECIAL PERMIT WILL COME LATER IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THE VARIANCES. BUT IF THE APPLICANT'S AGREEABLE TO SOME LESSER AMOUNT OF SEATS, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ANYWAY ARE RECEPTIVE. AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INFUSED INTO ANY RECOMMENDATION OF THESE. OKAY. WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. I THINK SO. REFERRED TO ME. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. WHY NOT? LESS SEATS. HOWEVER, LESS SEATS MEANS IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESS USE OF THE SPACE. YOU'RE PUSHING MORE TOWARDS THE DRIVE-THROUGH. THE MORE SEATS YOU HAVE, THE MORE CHANCE THERE ARE FOR PEOPLE TO EAT INSIDE VERSUS DRIVING. I DON'T THINK IT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I DON'T THINK IT'LL EVER FILL 42 SEATS IN THAT PLACE. NO, I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T. I I AGREE. IT SEEMS HIGH TO ME. I MEAN, IF THAT WAS HOLDING THE BOARD UP, THEN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY EXPECTING TO PUT 42 SEATS, BUT LIKE, THAT WAS THE MAXIMUM THAT WE WERE ALLOWED. AND IF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY WANTED IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I WOULD, I WOULD KNOCK IT DOWN. CRI I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'S GOOD. WALTER'S POINT IS, IS, IS VERY GOOD BECAUSE WE, WE GOING AROUND GOOD JOB IN A CIRCLE, UH, WITH A VERY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. SO WHAT IS IT THAT, UH, UH, CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE VERY FLEXIBLE TO WHATEVER YOUR, UH, TENANTS WILL COME, UH, WHY DON'T YOU SORT OF GIVE US A REALLY, UH, SOLID, UH, KIND OF PROPOSALS WHERE WE'LL BE ONLY 24 SEATS INSTEAD OF 42. YOU WOULDN'T NEED A, THIS MUCH OF A, A DRIVEWAY. BECAUSE WHAT THE TOM POINT IS THAT IF YOU ARE HAVING A LESS CONGESTED EATING AREAS INSIDE, PEOPLE WILL JUST PREFER TO WAIT, DRIVE THROUGH WILL USE IT. BUSINESS. SO, I MEAN, MY, MY CONUNDRUM IS THAT HOW DO WE KIND OF PUT MY HAND AROUND TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION MAKING ANYTHING UNLESS YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION CONSIDERING THAT THIS BOARD IS VERY, VERY, VERY LEAD ON KIND OF ONE OR TWO KIND OF REMAINING BUSINESS. SO, SO, SO THIS IS FOUR SEATS WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH. THE TWO DOZEN SEATS. SEATS WOULD BE LESS THAN 42. TWO DOZEN SEATS WOULD BE FINE. 24 24 SEATS. SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ANYTHING OVER THE INCIDENTAL DINING, EIGHT SEATS NEEDED TO BE A RESTAURANT. BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WENT THIS ROUTE. WE RESTRICTING. 'CAUSE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24 AND 42. I AGREE. OKAY. THERE'S STILL ROOM IN THERE POTENTIALLY, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA RESTRICT YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK THAT WAS REALLY YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. MAKE IT 30 SEATS. IF YOU MAKE IT, MAKE IT 30 SEATS, THAT'S SPLITTING THE 30, 30 IS PERFECT. 30 SEATS. I AGREE. OKAY. I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. . SORRY. IT'S, IT'S NOT FUNNY. IT'S, THIS IS A VERY, THIS WHOLE THING HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT. THING PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HELP YOU OUT. WE LIKE TO SEE BUSINESSES SUCCEED HERE. OKAY. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE, LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE HANDLING IT VERY WELL. I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT. OKAY. COULD YOU PUT THAT IN WRITING AFTERWARDS AND THINK, LET US, I'LL PUT IT, I'LL OKAY, LET, LET, LET, LET US DECIDE WHAT WE WANNA DO HERE. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR 42 SEATS. NOW THE TWO THINGS, DO WE WANT THEM TO REVISE IT OR DO WE JUST WANT TO SEND TO HAVE OUR DISCUSSION AND SEND OUR TRANSCRIPT TO THE RECORDING, TO THE ZONING BOARD SAYING WE COMPROMISE WITH THEM IN A REC AND A RECOMMENDATION AND THINK IF WE DO 30 SEATS, THAT LIFTING THE RESTAURANT RESTRICTION WITH THE OTHER CO RESTRICTIONS STILL IN PLACE, IT WOULD BE OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS. LEMME ASK. I THINK THAT'S A WAY TO DO IT. THAT'S WHERE WE DO IT. ARE YOU ON WITH THE ZBA TOMORROW EVENING OR NOT UNTIL NOT, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS. I COULD GET ANYTHING YOU WANT READY FOR TOMORROW. RIGHT. SO THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU'LL NEVER GET ON AND WHEN NO, YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE ON FOR DECEMBER. RIGHT. UM, SO MEAN MEANING WE HAVE TIME. SO I THINK IN ADDITION, WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE THEM SUBMIT A LETTER THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE OUR REQUEST. RIGHT. THAT WAY WE'LL DO, DO IT THAT WAY. WE, I WOULD RE I WOULD RECOMMEND AND ACCEPT A, A MOTION TO GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH THIS 30 SEATS AND LIFT LIFTING THE REST RESTAURANT. PERFECT. I RECOMMENDATION TO FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION. RIGHT. AND TO LIFT THE RESTRICTION ON THE TYPE OF YES. PROVIDED THAT THEY'RE ONLY UP TO 30 [01:10:01] SEAT. THAT'S PERFECT. SEND THAT LETTER ON THE NEXT DAY. I'LL DO IT TOMORROW FOR A MOTION. I'D LIKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. POSITIVE OR NEUTRAL? POSITIVE. POSITIVE. HE SAID POSITIVE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE. SO MOVE SECOND. NO, NEUTRAL. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? IS OPPOSED. OKAY. NEUTRAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M MOVING, YOU KNOW, ONE WAS NEUTRAL AS IT WILL WE DO THAT. IT WILL. OKAY. AND WHY? AND, AND YOU CAN EVEN PUT WHY I CAN, I WILL GIVE THAT THERE'S SOME UNKNOWNS THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE COME OUT LIKE IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND DO, BUT I, OKAY. SORRY. THIS IS SO PAINFUL. BUT WE REALLY HAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU NEEDED AND, AND TO BE HONEST, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY MORE TIME, BUT IF IT WAS JUST THE, THE OVER EIGHT SEATS IS WHAT WAS THROWING EVERYTHING OFF. IF YOU COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, YOU COULD HAVE 15 OR 24 OR 30 SEATS FROM THE START, WE WOULD'VE SAID YEAH. PERFECT. I, I THINK OUR CODE, IT'S, THIS IS ANOTHER'S THE CODE AND IT'S ANOTHER QUIRK IN THE CODE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT SHOULD BE THE SEATS, YOU KNOW, 30. THE NUMBER 30 IS THE NUMBER. YEAH. PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING TOO. THANKS ALL YOUR, HAVE A BLESSED THANKSGIVING. OKAY. GOOD LUCK. ENJOY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT 45 MINUTES. OKAY, JANET, YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES. I'M JUST . OKAY. THE NEXT CASE, UM, IS, UH, TOWN BOARD 2308 PB UH, PLANNING BOARD 2318 REGENERON. I THINK WE'VE HEARD OF YOU GUYS BEFORE. 55 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UM, AND TARRYTOWN, AMENDED SITE PLAN, A TOWN BOARD REFERRAL TREE MOBILE PERMIT IS A TOWN BOARD, PLANNING BOARD. STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND PLANNING BOARD, WET LIST, WATERCOURSE PERMIT. UH, I JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CONTINUATION OF A MASTER PLAN THAT IT HAD BEEN PRE-APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW. FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. WE STARTED THIS MORE THAN THAT BEFORE MY TIME, TIME FLIES WHEN WE DID THE, WHEN WHEN YOU AND MARK CAME IN WITH THE, IN 2017. YEAH. OKAY. SIX YEARS AGO NOW THAT ENVISIONED WHAT, WHAT THIS CAMPUS IS GONNA BE LIKE. AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PORTION OF WHAT WAS IN ENVISIONED. AND VERY EXCITING FOR US TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. SO I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP IT TO 30 MINUTES IF WE CAN. I WILL. OKAY. BE 13 MINUTES. . THAT'S BETTER. GREAT. OKAY. THERE WAS, THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS IN THE BOARD AFTER THAT THOUGH. SO ALL GOOD. THERE WAS SO MUCH DETAIL IN THE PLANS, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO ALL THAT DETAIL. TOP LINE IS GREAT. GIVE US A GEN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE BUILDING. UM, THE TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC. ALSO THE, IN THE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING INSIDE THE BUILDING AS WELL. SO ALL THREE THINGS, THE OUTSIDE LAYOUT, THE INSIDE, WHAT, WHAT THE USE IS, AND THEN TALK TO US ABOUT PARKING, TRAFFIC, THOSE THREE THINGS. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, ONE OTHER THING IS THE, THEY DID A LOT OF THINGS IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY. IT'D BE NICE IF WE JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW ON THAT BECAUSE YOU DID A LOT OF GOOD WORK IN THAT AREA. GREAT, THANKS. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JANET GARRIS. I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO NEL AND WEINGART AND WEIS WHITAKER. I'M JOINED BY CAST OF THOUSANDS THIS EVENING. TED JUSTIN FROM, UH, REGENERON, STEVE SPINA FROM JMC, OUR PROJECT ENGINEER JOE PIER FROM, UM, LAMAR JOHNSON COLLABORATIVE, OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT, MY ASSOCIATE ANNIE KLEIN. UM, AND AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, THIS IS A REFERRAL TO YOU FROM THE TOWN BOARD, UH, FOR SITE PLAN IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED LOGISTICS BUILDING. UM, STEVE IS IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUR LITTLE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN THERE. IT'S, UM, BUT AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED THIS, UH, THIS IS ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WAS, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SECOND LOT. AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, BACK IN 2017, THERE WERE THE A HUNDRED ACRES. WE SUBDIVIDED IT INTO TWO LOTS. UH, THE 60 ACRES OF IT, UH, IS WHERE THE NINE BUILDINGS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED. NOW. THIS BUILDING IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE OTHER LOT AND THAT LOT FRONT'S ON, UH, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD. OKAY. SO, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES. IT'S LOCATED IN THE PED DISTRICT OF THE TOWN. STEVE IS SHOWING YOU, UH, IT'S THE LOT THAT'S IN THE PURPLE AND YOU CAN PROBABLY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK. SO YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WE WERE BEFORE YOU, UH, JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IN CONNECTION WITH SOME APPROVALS FOR TEMPORARY LOTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHILE WE WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING THAT WE REFER TO AS PARCEL D OR THE PMPD BUILDING, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT [01:15:01] WAS APPROVED, UH, AS PART OF THAT PROJECT IS ALREADY COMPLETED AND IS UP AND RUNNING. UM, IT'S GOT SOME NICE, UM, EV CHARGERS IN IT. AND, UM, SO THIS PROPOSED BUILDING 136,000 SQUARE FOOT LOGISTICS BUILDING PROPOSED IN THE AREA OF WHAT WE'VE REFERRED TO AS TEMPORARY PARKING LOT 10. UM, THERE ARE ABOUT 385 PARKING SPACES IN THAT PARKING LOT. AND WHEN WE GOT IT APPROVED, WE ANTICIPATED REMOVING THAT LOT IN ITS ENTIRETY. UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW. ONCE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WAS COMPLETED, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW IS TO BUILD A BUILDING IN THAT AREA, AND I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY 157 OR SO, OF THOSE 385 SPACES THAT ARE INTENDED TO NOW REMAIN AND SERVE AS PARKING FOR THE PROPOSED BUILDING. OKAY. SO I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME. I KNOW YOUR AGENDA IS LONG. STEVE HAS PUT TOGETHER THIS VERY NICE POWERPOINT ALONG WITH JOE. AND, UH, WE'D JUST LIKE TO WALK YOU THROUGH GREAT. AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN. AND THEY'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES AND EXACTLY WHAT IS INTENDED TO GO ON, UM, IN THIS BUILDING. AND JUST WANNA MENTION THAT WE DID RECEIVE, UH, COMMENTS, UH, ONLY THIS AFTERNOON FROM YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, UH, COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, AND, UH, YOUR ATTORNEY. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DIGESTING ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT AT LEAST IN THE MEANTIME. SO AGAIN, REFERRAL TO YOU FROM THE TOWN BOARD FOR SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. BUT FOR THIS, THIS BOARD, YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, APPROVAL OF AUTHORITY OVER THE WETLAND PERMIT WE'RE REQUESTING. RIGHT. AND THE STEEP SLOPES PERMIT. RIGHT. AND, UM, THE, AND STEVE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THOSE DISTURBANCES. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. STEVE SPINA FROM JMC. WE'RE THE SITE ENGINEER. AND THIS SLIDE HERE JUST SHOWS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IT'S BEEN PART OF THE SUBMISSION. AND, UH, WE'RE JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE BUILDING IN, UH, TAN. IT'S LOCATED IN APPROXIMATELY THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT EXISTING, UH, TEMPORARY PARKING LOT. WE HAVE, UM, A LOADING DOCK AREA TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME PARKING AROUND THE BUILDING. SOME ADA PARKING, SOME EV PARKING. THERE'S, UH, SOME LOADING AND TRUCK STORAGE AREAS AS WELL. FULL CIRCULATION AROUND THIS BUILDING IN THE NORTH SIDE SOUTHERN END. WE'RE PROPOSING AS YOU, AS YOU HEAD SOUTH HERE, SOME MORE EV CHARGING SPACES. AND THEN SORT OF THE LIGHTER AREA OF THE PARKING LOT REPRESENTS THE EXISTING TEMPORARY LOT THAT WILL REMAIN. UM, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE IT A, A PERMANENT LOT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. IT WAS DESIGNED, UM, AS A PERMANENT LOT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT, THICKNESSES, CURVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT MEETS THE SPECS FOR THAT. UM, WE JUST INITIALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY. SO WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT, IMPROVING IT WITH, UH, NEW LIGHTING AS WELL AS, UH, SIDEWALK ALONG THE, THE LEFT SIDE HERE. UM, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU COULD SEE IN GREEN IS THE WETLAND BUFFER. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO RESPECT THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HERE. WE DON'T SHOW ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS OR ANY EXISTING IMPERVIOUS WITHIN THAT BUFFER. THERE IS SOME GRADING PROPOSED. THERE IS SOME STORMWATER DRAINAGE PROPOSED WITHIN THE BUFFER. UM, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS BOARD AND THE CAC AND THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE TEMPORARY LOTS. RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A POND IN THE BUFFER NOW. IT'S BEEN WORKING WELL. WE'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT POND. UM, SO THAT'S PART OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION AS WELL. AND THEN, UH, I GUESS ONE OTHER ITEM JUST TO TOUCH ON IS THE DRIVEWAY HERE. CONNECTING THIS PROJECT BACK DOWN TO THE EXISTING CAMPUS. THERE'S CURRENTLY AN EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT WAS BUILT HERE AND, UH, AS A TEMPORARY LOT AND WE'RE NOW PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AND, UH, PROVIDE THE CONNECTIVITY, UH, AGAIN, BACK DOWN TO THE CAMPUS FROM THIS LOT. AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THE SITE ACCESS. SO WE HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT WAS EXISTING EVEN BEFORE THE TEMPORARY LOT, UH, THAT THE DOT WAS USING FOR THEIR STAGING AREA. WHEN THEY BUILT THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, WE BASICALLY TOOK THAT DRIVEWAY AND PAVED IT. IT WAS ALREADY CRUSHED STONE. UM, WE'D NOW LIKE TO REMOVE THAT DRIVEWAY AND SHIFT IT NORTH AND ALIGN IT WITH THE, THE MAIN DRIVEWAY FOR THE, THE NEW GAS STATION THAT'S THERE. IT WOULD BE A WIDER DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS, UH, THE TRUCK, THE TRUCKS THAT, UH, WOULD BE ACCESSING THIS BUILDING. THAT'S ITS MAIN PURPOSE, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES SO THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY SERVES AS, UH, THE MAIN, THE MAIN PURPOSE THERE FOR THE ACCESS TO THE SITE AND TO ALLOW THOSE TRUCKS TO GAIN ACCESS AS WELL. OKAY. UH, I'M, I NOW INTRODUCE, UH, JOE FROM LJC. YOU ARE. [01:20:01] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE USE, UH, AND FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING. SO, UH, REGENERON, YOU KNOW, AS THEY'VE GROWN OVER TIME, THEY HAVE SEVERAL USES, UH, THAT HAVE, THAT ARE KIND OF DISORGANIZED AROUND THEIR CAMPUS. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUILDING IS TO REALLY TRY TO CENTRALIZE THOSE USES, UH, TO MAKE THE OVERALL CAMPUS MORE FUNCTIONAL AND EFFICIENT. SO SOME OF THOSE, UH, USES INCLUDE, UH, A GLASSWARE WASH, UH, FUNCTION. SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THEIR GLASSWARE FROM ALL THEIR LABS AND WASH IT AT THIS CENTRAL LOCATION. NOW THAT FUNCTION IS DONE, UH, ALL OVER THE BUILDINGS ON CAMPUS. SO THAT'S GONNA REALLY IMPROVE THEIR EFFICIENCY AND, UH, ALLOW THEM TO SERVE THE CAMPUS AND THE LAB FUNCTIONS BETTER. THEY'RE ALSO HOUSING THEIR LOGISTICS FUNCTIONS IN THIS BUILDING. SO IF OTHER, UH, LABS, UH, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND OTHER SPACES, UH, NEED MAINTENANCE ON CAMPUS, THIS IS A GROUP THAT'S GONNA REALLY TAKE CARE OF THE CAMPUS, UH, HOLISTICALLY, THERE'S A SHIPPING AND RECEIVING FUNCTION. THIS BUILDING IS WHERE A LOT OF THE DELIVERIES TO THE CAMPUS ARE GONNA BE CENTRALIZED AND DELIVERED TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON CAMPUS. THERE'S SOME OFFICE SPACE IN THIS BUILDING. THERE'S ALSO A BUILDING, UH, COMMAND CENTER THAT'S GONNA MONITOR THE BUILDING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UH, FOR THE REST OF THE CAMPUS. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE REALLY TAKING USES THAT ARE ALREADY EXIST ON THE CAMPUS, AND WE'RE MOVING THEM TO THE CENTRAL LOCATION, UH, AS AN ANCILLARY, UH, USE AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. SO THE CURRENT A QUESTION GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE A KILO LAB ON THE PREMISE, IS THAT NOT GOING IN THIS BUILDING? UH, KILO LAB. YEAH. WHERE YOU MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GO FROM THE LAB AND YOU MAKE A SMALL QUANTITY AND THEN YOU MAKE A LARGER TEST, MAYBE. OH, OKAY. YEAH. 25 POUNDS, 50 POUNDS OF A PRODUCT. THAT SPECIFIC FUNCTION IS NOT INCLUDED. WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON GLASSWARE. OKAY. UH, WASHING WITHIN THIS BUILDING. OKAY. SO THIS LOT IS ABOUT 1.7 MILLION SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH THE ORDINANCE, OR THE CURRENT ORDINANCE RESTRICTS, UH, THE FAR TO 0.3. UH, THE R AND D USE IS UP TO A 0.6 FAR MAX. THIS BUILDING'S 136,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE'RE PROPOSING USING A 0.078 FAR. SO WE'RE WELL BELOW THE LIMIT OF THE FAR LIMIT. UH, FOR THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. THE ZONING ORDINANCE RESTRICTS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO 90 FEET. UH, WE'RE BELOW THAT AT 89 FOOT SIX. AND IN OUR STORIES, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A THREE STORY BUILDING WITH A PENTHOUSE. SO WE'RE, UH, STAYING BELOW THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IN TERMS OF OUR, UH, SIZE AND SCALE, UH, THE PARKING ORDINANCE REQUIRES 202 SPACES. WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE 208 TO BE COMPLIANT. THIS IS A KIND OF AXON, A METRIC VIEW OF THE SITE. UH, YOU CAN SEE OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, KIND OF GOING NORTH SOUTH ON THAT PLAN. UH, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE LAYOUT AS IT RELATES, UH, TO THE OVERALL CAMPUS. THE MAIN CAMPUS IS KINDA ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND PORTION OF THE SCREEN. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS TO SHOW, TO GIVE YOU A BETTER FEEL FOR HOW THIS IS SITUATED ON THE SITE. SO THIS IS THE VIEW LOOKING WEST ON A HUNDRED C AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE ROUNDABOUT AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN TO THE REGENERON CAMPUS. SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING KIND OF SITS ON THAT HILL. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT VIEW, IF YOU'RE DRIVING, UH, THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AND GOING UP SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ENTRY OF THE BUILDING IS KIND OF ON THE LOWER PORTION THERE. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A NICE BREAKDOWN OF SCALE WITH THIS BUILDINGS. SO THE BASE OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE A HEAVIER PRECAST TO MAKE IT NICE AND DURABLE. AND THEN AS YOU GO UP THE BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA USE SOME LIGHTER METAL PANELS, UH, GLAZING WHERE WORKERS OR THAT OFFICE FUNCTION WILL BE POSITIONED. AND IN THAT PENTHOUSE, WE'RE STEPPING BACK TO REDUCE, UH, THE VISUAL SCALE OR MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK. UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE PENTHOUSE. IT'S A MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE. SO ONLY MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE, THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING, UH, DOWN OLD SAW RIVER ROAD TO THE NORTH. MM-HMM. . AND THERE'S A COUPLE KEY PARTS TO THIS VIEW. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE, [01:25:01] WE'RE PROVIDING A SCREEN WALL IN FRONT OF THAT SHIPPING, RECEIVING, LOADING DOCK AREA, WHICH REALLY IS GONNA SERVE TWO PURPOSES. ONE TO SCREEN THE VIEW OF ALL THE DELIVERIES COMING OUTTA THAT SPACE AND THE TRUCKS. SO IT'S BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT'S ALSO A SAFETY FACTOR. UM, AS USERS COME INTO THIS BUILDING, IT'S GONNA REDUCE OR STOP PEOPLE FROM WALKING IN FRONT OF THE LOADING DOCKS AND STUFF. THIS IS A VIEW OF THAT LOADING DOCK I JUST MENTIONED. UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S VAN LOADING AND THEN TRACTOR TRAILERS, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. AND THEN WE'RE USING THE SAME VISUALS, UH, AESTHETIC, UH, METAL PANELS ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE BUILDING. HERE'S SOME ELEVATIONS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE SCALE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR IS PRETTY HIGH. UH, THE FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHT THERE IS ABOUT, UH, A LITTLE OVER 40 FEET. THE REASON BEING IS WE HAVE SOME HIGH RACK STORAGE, UH, FOR SOME LAB CONSUMABLES ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THEN WE GO, UH, TO 14 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOORS WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF THE SHOPS WHERE THEY'RE REPAIRING, UH, LAB EQUIPMENT AND THAT GLASS WASH FUNCTION. AND THEN HERE'S JUST SOME VIEWS OF THE OTHER ELEVATIONS WHERE WE'RE, UH, USING THE SAME STRATEGY, UH, METAL PANELS UP HIGH TO MAKE THE BUILDING FEEL LIGHTER AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE SKY. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME GLAZING AT THE FRONT ENTRY THAT YOU ALREADY SAW IN THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE. SO FOR THIS BUILDING, WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO, UH, INCORPORATE SOME REALLY GOOD SUSTAINABLE FEATURES. UH, WE'RE GOING AFTER LEAD SILVER FOR THE PROJECT. UH, WE'RE, UH, TARGETING A 35% WATER USE, RED REDUCTION OVER CURRENT CODE OR ASHTRAY, 98.1. UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WE'RE TARGETING 12% MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. UH, OUR LIGHT FIXTURES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL BE, WE'LL USE LESS GLARE AND BETTER COLOR RENDERING INDEX THAN, UH, TYPICAL FIXTURES ON THE MARKET. WE'RE GOING TO SPEC SPECIFY SAFE MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING, UH, WITH LOW VOC AND THAT ARE LESS HAZARDOUS OR NOT HAZARDOUS FOR OCCUPANTS OR, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S GONNA BE WASTE MANAGEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES A RECYCLING PROGRAM AS PART OF LEAD, AS WELL AS WHEN THIS BUILDING'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE, UH, BUILDER WILL NEED TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE BUILDING COMPONENTS, UH, ON THE WASTE SIDE OF CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, KEEP TRACK OF RECYCLING. WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE, THE WASTEWATER FROM, UH, THE CLEANING? THE CLEANING? YEAH. SO THE WASTEWATER COMING FROM THE GLASS WASH FUNCTION, UH, WILL BE NEUTRALIZED WITH, UH, ALL THE DETERGENTS THAT ARE USED AND IT'LL BE, UH, MIXED WITH ALL THAT. SO IT WON'T BE HARMFUL. OUR PLUMBING ENGINEER IS INCLUDING, UH, SOME TAP INS TO THE, UH, DISCHARGE LINES ON THE BUILDING SO THEY CAN BE TESTED TO VERIFY THAT. OKAY. IF THERE WAS ANY ISSUES, IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH LIKE ACID NEUTRALIZATION STATION, BUT AS THEY HAVE IT CURRENTLY DESIGNED, IT WILL BE IN, UH, WA YOU KNOW, DISCHARGE FROM THE BUILDING. BUT IT WOULD BE DISCHARGED TO THE, UH, IT WILL BE ULTIMATELY END UP INTO IT INTO A RETENTION TANK OR, OR GOES INTO THE SOLID RIVER SEWER SEWER SYSTEM. OKAY. OKAY. WHICH ENDS UP INTO SOME, YEAH. STORM OR SANITARY. SANITARY, SANITARY RIVER. SORRY. SO, ONE OTHER, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT ON SUSTAINABILITY. WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY PUSH FOR MORE ELECTRIC USE ON THIS BUILDING. SO WE'RE DOING AVRF, UH, HVAC SYSTEM, UH, WHICH IS GONNA USE, UH, ONLY ELECTRICITY. WE DO HAVE AN INTERRUPTIBLE GAS SERVICE FOR SOME OF THE BOILERS, BUT THEY ONLY SERVE THE PROCESS FUNCTION FOR THOSE GLASS WASHERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, A REALLY HIGH LOAD. SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON NATURAL GAS FOR THE FUNCTION. AND THEN, SO THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE SOLAR COMPATIBLE, WHICH MEANS WE'RE DESIGNING THE STRUCTURE TO RECEIVE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF IN THE FUTURE. BUT [01:30:01] YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO PUT ANY AT THIS MOMENT. IT'S STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION FROM BY REGENERON. SO WE HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION YET ON IT. AND IN THE LAST ITEM FOR RAINWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, LIKE TO PASS IT TO STEVE TO, IT'S LIKE A HOUSING AUTHORITY TO THANK YOU. SO, UH, WE'VE PROBABLY MENTIONED IT ONCE OR TWICE ALREADY, BUT OVERALL THIS PROJECT IS REALLY CONSOLIDATING OPERATIONS AND THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING ON THE CAMPUS. THEY'RE JUST HAPPENING HERE NOW AS WE'RE PROPOSING. SO WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER NEW BUILDINGS WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE GOING FOR LEAD SILVER, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGH EFFICIENCY RAINWATER'S THE SAME THING FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE RAINWATER. UM, WE'RE AIMING TO INFILTRATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE, UM, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE WITH SOME GOOD SOILS ON SITE. UM, WE'RE PROPOSING SOME GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CURB BREAKS WITH VEGETATED SWALES INSTEAD OF JUST PIPING IT TO A STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THAT FLOW LENGTH, INCREASE SOME CHANCES FOR INFILTRATION, YOU KNOW, RUNNING FILTERING THROUGH GRASS AND BUFFER STRIPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE AIM TO DO WITH ALL THE PROJECTS ON CAMPUS AND HAVE BEEN DOING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO WITH THIS ONE. UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU PLANNING ANY PERMEABLE PAVERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HUGE PARKING AREA, RIGHT? AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF USE PERMEABLE PAPER SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF DRAIN WATER MANAGEMENT? WE, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, DOING SOIL TESTING ON SITE IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS FOR THE STORMWATER PRACTICES. WE'RE AIMING TO UTILIZE THOSE PRACTICES TO ACHIEVE THE, THE STORMWATER REGULATION REQUIREMENTS. UM, BUT WE MAY SUPPLEMENT WITH OTHER GREEN PRACTICES IF, IF WE NEED TO IN ORDER TO MEET THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS. AND IF YOU DO THAT, YOU MIGHT MAKE IT FROM SILVER TO GOLD. SO CER CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WALTER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I MEAN, TURN OFF THE STUPID WATCH . UM, I SEE ON YOUR PARKING IT'S, IT IS, IT'S 2 0 2 THAT'S REQUIRING YOU, YOU ARE PUTTING IN 2 0 8. DO YOU EVER THINK ABOUT LAND BANKING THAT RATHER THAN PUTTING IN MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, EXISTING, THIS IS EXISTING. SOME OF IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. UM, IN TERMS OF THE LAND BANKING, I GUESS THIS PROJECT'S A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL IN THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE PARKING THERE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATING A LOT OF IT. AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, AS USUAL PROPOSED THE NEW PARKING AROUND THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR CONVENIENCE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXISTING LOT THAT THAT IS THERE, WHATEVER WILL REMAIN, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT. 'CAUSE WE DO THINK WE'LL NEED THE PARKING, BUT THE NEW PARKING REALLY IS JUST AROUND THE BUILDING. MM-HMM. . UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NEEDED IN TERMS OF LAND BANKING. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, WITH THE CODE, UH, COULD REQUIRE WE, WE MEET IT WITH WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTION TO US THOUGH REVIEWING INTERNALLY WHETHER WE COULD LAND BANK THE ADDITIONAL SIX PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAVE. YEAH, PLEASE LOOK AHEAD. DEFINITELY. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. SO JUST, JUST A QUICK RUNDOWN ON THE SITE PLAN HERE. UM, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT COMPLYING WITH THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM, THERE IS SOME WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE FOR GRAINING AND DRAINAGE. THERE IS SOME TREE REMOVAL ALONG THE PERIMETER, UH, WHICH WE WILL PROPOSE RESTORATION FOR. AND, UH, TREE REPLACEMENT PLANTINGS FOR, UH, WE'LL WORK, UH, CLOSELY WITH DARREN AND FOR THAT. UH, WE DO HAVE MINOR STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE. IT'S, UH, MOSTLY STEEP SLOPES THAT WERE JUST BUILT FOR THE PARKING LOT. UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THREE ON ONE SIDE SLOPES AS YOU GRADE DOWN FROM THE, THE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED, UH, LOT AND, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO SOME OF THE STORM, UH, BASINS THAT WE JUST BUILT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NATURAL STEEP SLOPES. THEY'RE JUST, WE, WE JUST GRADED THEM. SO IT'S KIND OF REIST DISTURBING WHAT WE JUST, UH, BUILT. SO, UH, BUT WE, WE DO NEED SOME STEEP SLOPES, UH, PERMIT FOR THAT, UH, AS WELL. UM, AS DISCUSSED SOUTHERN SOUTHERN PARKING LOT, UH, 10 WILL REMAIN AND, UH, WE ARE REMOVING THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND, AND PROPOSING A NEW DRIVEWAY. WE'RE REMOVING THAT TEMPORARY PARKING LOT, 14, WHICH WAS TO THE NORTH WHERE THAT CONNECTOR ROAD IS, UH, TO MAKE THAT INTERNAL DRIVEWAY CONNECTION. THIS IS JUST A QUICK STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT [01:35:01] OF STEEP SLOPES ON THE SITE. UH, THOSE ARE THE SHADED AREAS IN, IN YELLOW AND BROWN. UM, THEY'RE KIND OF LONG STRIPS BECAUSE THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE SLOPES THAT WE BASICALLY JUST MADE WHEN WE MM-HMM. DEVELOP THE TEMPORARY LOT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING INTO ANY UNDISTURBED AREAS AND DISTURBING, YOU KNOW, MORE STEEP SLOPES. UM, AND THEN THE WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE HERE IS SHOWN IN THAT SORT OF BLUE SHADED HATCH. THE ORANGE THICK LINE, UH, RUNNING HERE IS OUR LIMITED DISTURBANCE. SO THE RETAINING WALL IS HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM BEYOND THAT TO, TO BUILD THE RETAINING WALL SO THEY'LL CLEAR A LITTLE BIT. UM, THAT'S WHERE SOME OF OUR TREE REMOVALS ARE HAPPENING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO RESPECT THAT BUFFER. BUT IN DOING SO, THERE'S A LITTLE DISTURBANCE IN, IN THE BUFFER TEMPORARILY TO GRADE AND INSTALL THE RETAINING WALL. THEN IT'LL BE REPLANTED. UH, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THAT DISTURBANCE IS THERE'S AN EXISTING POND THAT WE JUST BUILT AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THIS PARKING LOT. WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXTEND IT FARTHER SOUTH TO MAKE IT LARGER, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA THAN WHAT WAS, UH, INSTALLED AS FAR PART OF THE PARKING LOT IN THIS IMMEDIATE DRAINAGE AREA. OVERALL, WE'RE DE DECREASING IMPERVIOUS BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING RID OF THAT LARGE PARKING LOT NORTH OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO, UH, AND EVENTUALLY THAT, UH, THAT TRAILER COMPLEX LOT THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S STILL NEEDED DURING CONSTRUCTION, THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY AS WELL. SO, UM, BUT WE INTEND TO KEEP THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS THAT WERE PUT IN FOR THOSE MM-HMM. . SO AT THE END OF THE DAY WE, YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT'LL BE A A A NET, A LARGE NET DECREASE. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, SITE ACCESS. WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, BUT ZOOMING IN ON IT, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, WILL HAVE AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO RESTRICT LEFT TURN LANES IN COMING NORTHBOUND. UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT, THERE'S A VERY, UM, IT'S CALLED A, UH, A RIGHT TURN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHANNELIZING IT TO ELIMINATE THE LEFT TURNS IN TO ELIMINATE THOSE CONFLICTS FROM ONCOMING TRAFFIC. THERE'S A VERY SMALL WARRANT FOR A LEFT TURN LANE WHEN YOU ADD A NEW BUILDING. SO WE'D HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD IF WE HAD PUT A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE. WHERE, WHERE DO YOUR TRUCKS COME FROM? DON'T THEY COME NORTHBOUND? THE NORTHBOUND, SO, SO NORTH NORTHBOUND TRUCKS WILL HAVE TO GET OFF OF THE EXIT TO THE RIGHT OF THE GAS STATION THERE AND THEN GO ONTO GRASSLANDS ROAD, MAKE THE LEFT, GO DOWN THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN INTO THE SITE THROUGH HERE. OKAY. YOU DON'T THINK, NOBODY THINKS IT'S A PROBLEM AT REGENERON? NO. TRUCKER'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT . I WOULDN'T THINK. ALSO, WE, WE, UM, THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS OF WHERE THE TRUCKS CAN GET TO THE, TO THE BUILDING AND UM, WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE WITH THE BOARD'S, UH, TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME DETAILS WITH THAT. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN ALTERNATE. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED 'CAUSE 2 87 THEY IS THEY COMING OFF OF 2 87 OR THEY'RE GONNA COME STRAIGHT NORTHBOUND ON OLD SPRAIN AUTOMATIC. THAT'S WHERE THE GPS WILL SEND THEM. OH. SAW MILL OLD ON OLD SAW MILL ROAD. YEAH, THEY, THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT GPS IS GONNA SEND. COULD SEND THEM NORTHBOUND ON THAT ROAD. WELL THEY, SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD MAKE THE LEFT AT OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AT THAT, AT THE FORK THERE. RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO PAST THE SITE. YEAH. DRIVEWAY GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND COME BACK DOWN. I, YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. IT'S A LOT OF, LOT OF, HEY, BETTER A TRUCKER. THEY DON'T LIKE TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING I WOULD LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THERE. IT CONCERNS ME A BIT. THEY'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH MR. CANNING. OKAY. SO THEY'LL CONTINUE. I'D ALSO, I'D TRUTHFULLY TALK TO SOME OF THE TRUCKING COMPANIES. I DON'T WANNA SEE CREATE A PROBLEM EARLIER. MAYBE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S DRIVING PAST SOMETHING AND AROUND IS PROBABLY NOT A NATURAL THING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO. JUST DROVE SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES. RIGHT. UH, WELL AS PART OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PLANS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN REGENERON SHIPPING AND RECEIVING GROUP. OKAY. IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE DIRECTLY WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES, WE'VE GOTTEN DISTRIBUTION OF WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, HOW MANY TRUCKS THERE ARE. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM COME HERE ALREADY. UM, NOW WITH THE CAMPUS EXPANSION, THEY'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WE'VE FACTORED THAT IN. BUT WE'VE CERTAINLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CHECKING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT TRUCKING COMPANIES AND HOW THEY WOULD GET HERE. OKAY. TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. BUT LIKE AARON SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE TO, YOU GUYS ARE MORE EXPERT THAN I DIG THAT WITH JOHN. IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, TOP OF MIND. I LOOK AT THAT AND I SAID NO, IT'S GOOD. GOOD QUESTION. THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A TOUGH QUESTION THAT WE ALL HAD TO WORK THROUGH AS THE DESIGN TEAM. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THIS, SO. RIGHT. HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU COORDINATED ALIGNING YOUR ENTRANCE WITH THE GAS STATION? YES. YEAH. YES. THAT'S [01:40:01] WHY THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY ON SONG MONROE MOVED OR, BUT IS THE GAS STATIONS OKAY WITH IT? THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? NO. UM, WE JACKET NO, IT, IT ALIGNING THE DRIVEWAYS IS ACTUALLY BETTER, UH, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING MUCH CROSS TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE TWO. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY FROM WHO WORKS IN THIS BUILDING THAT OBVIOUSLY WANTS TO GET SOME GAS AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT HOW COULD YOU ANYWAY? 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THOSE, THE ISLANDS? NO, IT'S, CAN YOU GO STRAIGHT ACROSS? SURE. SO YOU CAN GO OUT STRAIGHT ACROSS. OH, I SEE. OKAY. THE ONLY RESTRICTION HERE IS ANYBODY COMING NORTHBOUND CAN'T MAKE THE LEFT. AND OTHER THAN AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, IT'S LARGE ENOUGH FOR FIRE TRUCKS. WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CHECKED ALL THAT, BUT, UH, UH, AND HOW DOES IT, THE REMAINING PARCEL IS A STORAGE BUILDING, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? UH, THE ONE THAT'S NORTH OF, UH, GAS STATION OR SALT? IT'S A STORAGE COMPANY. IT'S A WESTIE, XANAX I THINK IS UP THERE NEXT TO, NEXT TO THE GAS STATION. NORTH OF THE GAS STATION. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S A, RIGHT NOW IT'S A VACANT. VACANT. HE IS VACANT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. MAYBE I'M THINKING IT WOULD HELP THIS OTHER ONE THAT YOU THINK THE OTHER ONE IS RIGHT. WEST EAST'S IS SOUTHBOUND BY SHOPRITE. MM-HMM. ACROSS FROM SHOPRITE. THERE'S THE WEST'S WEST XANAX. CORRECT. THE TWO WEST. THERE IS NO CONFLICT WITH THAT. WALTER, DID YOU HAVE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE EXPANSION OF, OF THE POND SO THAT IT'S LESS, UH, THE PARKING, WHEN I SAID, UH, BANKING THAT PARKING, IT'S LESS THAN AN ISSUE. NOW I REALIZE YOU'RE EXPANDING THE POND. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE FOR ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT ITHOW. RIGHT. I THINK THE EXPANSION OF THE POND IS VERY GOOD. YES. I MEAN THAT IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED. REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THAT THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT WAS BUILT, THERE'S A POND RIGHT NOW THAT'S RIGHT HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SCREEN, YOU'RE MAKING THAT LIGHT. AND OF COURSE, AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL POND. IT'S GOT GREAT PERCOLATION AND IT'S DOING WELL, BUT IT'S WHERE THE BUILDING WANTS TO GO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA TAKE THAT VOLUME AND WE WANNA PUT IT OVER HERE AND WE'RE GONNA BRING THE WATER THIS WAY. IT ALL STILL GOES TO THE SAME WETLANDS JUST GONNA GO, IT'S JUST GONNA COME FROM THIS SIDE OF IT. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY, GREAT. HOW ARE WE DOING? ANYTHING ELSE ON, ON YOUR PRESENTATION? NO, THIS WAS JUST OUR KIND OF OUR SUMMARY PAGE AT THE END. THAT WAS IT. THANK SUMMARY. VERY GOOD SUM SUMMARY AND EXCITING AS USUAL FOR YOU GUYS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? NOPE. ONE, UM, , WHAT IS THE, WHAT WHAT'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN ALONG THE, ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD? YEAH. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? NO LANDSCAPE. NO LANDSCAPE. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, LET ME GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. SO WE DO HAVE SOME, THERE'S, WE ARE PROPOSING LANDSCAPING. A LOT OF IT IS NOT ALONG THE ROADWAY BECAUSE THERE IS EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENTS THERE. THERE'S A, THERE ARE TWO WATER MAINS, A TOWN WATER MAIN AND THAT TRI MUNICIPAL WATER MAIN THAT THE DOT WAS JUST WORKING ON. UM, SO WE CAN'T PLANT MUCH IN THAT STRIP BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT WAS INSTALLED. THERE'S SOME BRUSH, THERE ARE SOME TREES. THEY'RE NOT GREAT. BUT WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE, WE ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TREES WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT AN EASEMENT LOADING DOCK FROM, FROM THE STREET TOO, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THEN WE HAVE TREES ON THE SITE THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THAT SCREEN WALL. WHEREVER WE CAN PUT TREES, WE'RE PROPOSING THEM. UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESTORATION THAT WILL HAPPEN WHERE THAT PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. THERE'S RESTORATION WHERE THE NEW POND WE'RE EXTENDING SOUTH INTO THE WETLAND BUFFER. WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES PROPOSED THERE AS WELL. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH DARREN AND FEND TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MEET ALL THE TREE, UH, REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS, BOTH OF THE INITIAL PROJECT FOR THE TEMP PARKING AND THE ADDITIONAL REMOVALS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT. SO WE'VE ALERTED THEM TO THAT AND THE TEAM'S FULLY AWARE. YEAH. THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, THIS THING IS LIKE 90, 90 FEET TALL BUILDING AND JUST CONSIDERING, WHICH IS THE, IS THIS GOING TO BE THE TALLEST BUILDING IN, IN ONE MILE RADIUS? UH, WELL THE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS, UH, ABOUT 90 FEET TALL AS WELL. UM, WHICH ONE? AND IT'S NOT ON THIS PLAN. YEAH. SORRY IF I GO BACK HERE. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS JUST CONSTRUCTED IN CONNECTION WITH . IT'S A LONG ONE THAT THEY DID START. IT'S THE SAME. SO THIS, THIS GARAGE HERE, IT'S MATTER. YOU CAN'T HEAR THE PEOPLE AT THE DESK. SORRY. OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL [01:45:01] WE'LL PUT THE MICS. THANKS TOM. SO I THINK THAT BETTER TWO THINGS TO NOTE HERE IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS, OKAY, GO AHEAD. THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS THAT ARE THIS TALL. THERE WILL BE MORE IN TERMS OF THE APPROVED LOOP ROAD SITE, UH, FARTHER BACK HERE IN THE WOODS. THE WOOD AREA, I MEANT ON THIS SITE AND IT IS ALL OFF YOUR SITE, OFF OUR SITE ALONG THE SAWMILL. UH, WELL LA QUIN INTO SOMEWHERE ALONG THERE PROBABLY ON SKYLINE DRIVE, FARTHER NORTH, THAT LARGE OFFICE PARK, I THINK NOT MANY, BUT KIDS IS ABOUT FOUR STORIES. THEY PUT FOUR STORIES. THIS IS BIT TALLEST ONLY. YEAH. I MEAN THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED TOWARDS, AGAIN, AS STEVE SAID, TOWARDS THE REAR THAT ARE AS HIGH AS THIS. AND SO IS THE EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. AND THIS IS APED DISTRICT. IT'S A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN SAWMILL RIVER ROAD. AND SO, I MEAN IT'S ZONE FOR IT. IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR IT. IT'S WHAT THE BOARD STUDIED, UM, TOWN BOARD STUDIED IN CONNECTION WITH THE ACTUAL CREATION OF THE ZONE. SO IT'S APPROPRIATE. WELL, I I THINK THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, IT'S IN CHARACTER OF WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON THE CAMPUS. OKAY. IT FITS IN PERFECTLY WITH THAT AND IN HARMONY WITH THAT. SO I DON'T SEE THIS STICKING OUT AT ALL. WELL, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE SORT OF, UH, IT IS OFFICE, AN INDUSTRIAL SAWMILL. UH, IT'S A CROSSFIT GAS STATION 9, 9 8. BUT IT'S, UH, IT, IT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IT TO SORT OF STEP BACK OR SOMETHING SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT BOX HANGING ON THEM. THEY'RE WITHIN, THERE ARE STREETS THERE BECAUSE OF THE, THE WETLAND. RIGHT. THEY'RE WITHIN THE ZONING AND THEY KEPT IT KEPT OUT. THE WETLAND, THE BUFFER. SO I THINK THAT COMBINATION NO, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. THAT IS RIGHT. THEY DID AND THEY NEEDED THIS BIG HUGE BOX. YEAH. IT'S WHAT IS SQUARE FEET? I THINK IT'S GONNA, I ASSURED IT'S GONNA HALF A MILLION SQUARE FEET. YEAH. WELL, GOD BLESS. LET'S HAVE A LOT MORE, MORE COMPANIES LIKE GENERAT 136,000 136. HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IS THIS GOING TO GENERATE? NEW EMPLOYEES? MM-HMM. . I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF NEW EMPLOYEES BECAUSE IT'S CONSOLIDATED, BUT HOW DO THEY CONTINUE TO CONTINUE EXPAND ON THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN HIRING. I MEAN IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE NICEST SUCCESS STORIES THAT ABSOLUTELY. THAT EXISTS. SO ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WHEN I STARTED TO WORK QUESTION WITH COURSES, THEY PROBABLY HAD ABOUT 30 EMPLOYEES. OKAY. AND, UH, NOW I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN MORE THAN 3000 PROBABLY ON THIS PROPERTY. HOW MANY? I I DON'T QUOTE ME. I I DON'T, I ABOUT 3000, BUT I 3000, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT THE TARGET WAS WHEN WITH THE WHOLE EXP 10 YEAR EXPANSION WAS ABOUT 3000 NEW EMPLOYEES. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND I CAN GET YOU REAL NUMBERS IF YOU YEAH, I JUST, I THINK PEOPLE, THE, THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING THERE. GO AHEAD. I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG SOME OF RIVER ROAD THERE. IT, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US. YEP. EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS, IT IS STILL WITHIN CODE AND IT'S WITHIN KEEPING WITH YOUR CAMERAS AND YOU AND THEY NEED THAT FLOOR TO FLOOR AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT REALLY DRIVES THAT HEIGHT. YOU'VE GOT A WAREHOUSE IN THE FIRST FLOOR. THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE 40 FEET. YEAH. 45 FEET TALL STORY. OKAY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. I THERE'S SOME, FIRST OF ALL, YOU JUST GOT THE TRAFFIC THING. YOU'VE GOT A FEW MORE THINGS TO ADDRESS. A GREAT PRESENTATION. UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION, COME BACK FOR WORK SESSION TO MAKE A DECISION ON OUR NEXT MEETING. IT'S OUR ONLY MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO OUR GOAL WILL BE TO CLOSE THIS AND SEND, SEND A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO DECIDE, THEY HAVE TO DECIDE APPOINTMENT IF WE DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE'LL SEND A RECOMMENDATION BACK AFTER, AFTER THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SECRET TOO, RIGHT. SO, RIGHT. SO THE TOWN BOARD DECLARED INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY BACK ALREADY. ALREADY. WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT. WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT. SO THEY ARE THE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS. UM, DID WE DO THAT AT THE LAST MEETING? I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. JUST RESPOND BACK. IT WAS CIRCULATED. THE LEAD AGENCY INTENT WAS CIRCULATED OCTOBER 25TH. I THINK. WE DON'T DO SICK THE TOWN BOARD AND YEAH, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO SAY, SAY I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON. I CAN'T RECALL IF THE PLANNING WORKS. NO, NO. WE, WE NORMALLY VOTE ON IT AND SAY WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. HAVE NO OBJECTION TO RIGHT. I'LL TAKE THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW. I MAY MOTION THAT WE DO NOT, UH, ACCEPT THE TOWN BOARD AS THE LEAD AGENCY. WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS TOM ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? YEAH. AYE. ALRIGHT. OKAY I'LL OPPOSED OKAY THEN I'M SORRY. AND THEN ONE MORE THING. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WE NEED THIS, WE NEED TO GO TO THE CAC C IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETLAND PERMIT. RIGHT. UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THERE TOWARD THE END OF THIS MONTH I THINK IS WHAT WE INTENDED. THE GENERALLY THE THIRD, I THINK THE THIRD. I THINK IT'S SECOND, [01:50:01] THIRD, FOURTH IS IT? WELL WITH THE HOLIDAY. SO WE'LL COORDINATE I THINK MATT WITH THE CAC. YEAH. RIGHT NOW, UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH UH, ANDY KLEIN ABOUT THIS. UM, WE HAVE UH, SCHEDULED THIS PROJECT WITH THE CAC FOR IT IS DECEMBER 5TH MEETING. DECEMBER 5TH. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT WORKS OUT WELL. YEAH. SO THAT'S FINE. YEP. AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU. I THINK ACTUALLY YOURS IS THE FOURTH, I THINK SIXTH. SIXTH, SIXTH. YEAH. SO YOU'RE THE SIXTH. SO THAT WORKS OUT PERFECTLY. SO IT DOES WORK OUT WELL AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT YOU CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN I GUESS WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE STEEP SLOPES AND WETLANDS AS THE TOWN BOARD WORKS. UM, RIGHT. WE WILL ULTIMATELY, I MEAN I THINK MOST BOTH STUFF'S GONNA COME UP IN THE SITE PLAN ANYWAY, SO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. GOOD SEEING YOU GUYS. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. YOU TOO. THANKS A LOT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. I HAVE A NEW WORD. EXCELLENT METRIC . OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE IT OR EXACTLY. ISOMETRIC IS 30 16 7. SHOULD BE, YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TWO MINUTES AHEAD. WE'RE ABOUT TWO MINUTES AHEAD. CALLED ISOMETRIC MATRIX, WHICH IS 36. THE GREENBERG. HOW'S IT DO YOU HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE 45? 45? CORRECT. IF YOU WANT, LET'S FOCUS. NO, HE WAS EXPLAINING WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT. ALRIGHT. GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, TOWN BOARD 2310, UH, AND 2311 P UH, PLANNING BOARD 2333. UH, GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY NINE MAPLE STREET. I BISHOP. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. HOW YOU GOOD APPRECIATE, UH, IT'S A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE ON THE, UH, ZONING BOARD, MAP AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL BE EXPLAINED AND ADMITTED. SITE PLAN, TOWN BOARD TREE REMOVAL, PERMIT PLANNING BOARD SLOPE, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT. STILL ALLOWED. IT'S A LOT OF PERMITS, A LOT THE PERMITS. WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE PERMITS TONIGHT. IT'S, IT'S REALLY A PRE-SUBMISSION. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT WITH THIS, WE WANT TO GET A SENSE FOR WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF THE ZONING, ZONING AMENDMENT AND WHY. OKAY. AND WE'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK. A LITTLE PART ON THE SITE PLAN TONIGHT IS WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH TONIGHT. SO WE CAN TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION GOING FORWARD ON THIS. 'CAUSE IT IS PRE-SUBMISSION, NOT A TECHNICALLY A WORK SESSION. OKAY. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU GUYS TO PRESENT. GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I, UH, I'M BISHOP STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM. I'M BISHOP PRESTON. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND, UH, LEMME SAY THANK YOU GUYS. THANK ALL OF YOU FOR, UH, HAVING US TO COME AND MAKE THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS IN CONCEPTUAL FORM. IT'S NOTHING, UH, DONE NOTHING OTHER THAN SOME DRAWINGS AND SOME DREAMS AND SOME IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE POSSIBILITIES AND THE, SOME, SOME LEADING ON HOW THINGS CAN BE DONE. UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE AND, AND EXPAND, UH, HOUSING IN THE, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. AS ALL OF US KNOW, UM, HOUSING IS A PREMIUM, AND WHEN IT COME TO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOW INCOME HOUSING, THOSE KIND OF, THOSE TYPES OF HOUSING, IT IS A SUPER PREMIUM. SO, SO WE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT. AND REMEMBER, IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL. IT'S NOTHING, UH, IN, UH, UH, THAT WE'VE DONE TO, DON'T DO IT ANYTHING EXCEPT HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT WE'RE DREAMING. AND, AND I'M GONNA ASK OUR, UM, UH, OUR, UM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO JUST EXPLAIN WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOU ALL TO DO TO HELP US TO MAKE THIS DREAM COME TRUE. UH, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE, UM, UH, OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND THAT WILL PROBABLY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY UNLESS QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THEIR PARTICULAR EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA. UH, WE HAVE MR. ABRAHAM, WHO IS OUR, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. UH, AND WE HAVE, UH, JAMES BASIN, WHO IS OUR BOARD MEMBER. WE HAVE, UH, FRED, UH, CAMPBELL, WHO'S ALSO A BOARD MEMBER. AND WE HAVE OUR COUNCIL, MR. JOHN SAVAGE, WHO WAS WITH US. AND WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. SO I'LL MAKE MR. ABRAHAM WILL COME AND JUST TALK TO, TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT WE'LL BE ASKING HIM. OKAY. YOU, YOU, YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OH, PAM, PAM, ME. SHE SEEMS SO LOW FOR . WHERE IS SHE? I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE HER. I CAN'T SEE HER, BUT, OH, HI. OKAY. THANK YOU, JUDGE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RAJ ABRAHAM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU AND TO GET [01:55:01] GUIDANCE AND HELP, UH, IN OUR VISION. LIKE THE CHAIRPERSON HAD MENTIONED, UM, THIS IS OUR VISION TO PRESERVE HOUSING AUTHORITY HOUSING AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND ALSO TO EXPAND ON THE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO US. UH, JUST TO GIVE A SMALL BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT, UH, THE STATE HOUSING PROJECT WHERE WE WANTED TO DO THIS, UM, TRANSFORMATION. THIS PROJECT WAS BUILT BY USING STATE FUNDS IN 1961, SO IT'S ALMOST 63 YEARS OLD, AND MOST OF THE STUFF IS OUTDATED. THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERGROUND IS, UM, VERY OLD. AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS BEEN FACING A LOT OF CHALLENGES TO MAINTAIN THE SITE. UM, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN IN, THERE HAVE BEEN YEARS WHERE THE STATE HAS HELPED US, UM, IN 2006 TO DO A SMALL MODERNIZATION PROGRAM OF APPROXIMATELY $5.6 MILLION. THAT WAS BETWEEN 2002, 2006 AND 2008. AND IN, AGAIN IN 2014 AND 2016, UH, 1.4 MILLION WAS SPENT TOWARDS, UH, SEWER BACKUPS AND ALL THOSE ISSUES. SO HERE WE ARE AT THIS STAGE. WE HAVE A STRATEGIC VISION TO, UM, REVITALIZE THIS PROJECT. WE ARE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND TO PRESERVE HOUSING IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. AND WE HAVE ENGAGED OUR, UH, ARCHITECT HERE, UM, FROM WMW, ED WALE, WHO'S GOING TO DO A, UM, PRESENTATION ON THE CONCEPT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME'S ED VOGEL, PRINCIPAL WITH WAR HOUR, LUCY WARSHOW ARCHITECTS. UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO PARDON ME A LITTLE BIT. UM, I'M DOING BOTH PRESENTATION AND SPEAKING ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SO LET ME, UH, SHARE MY SCREEN. SO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW UP ON THE SCREEN IS, UM, THE EXISTING CONDITION. SO THE SITE, THIS IS THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY. IT'S THEIR STATE SITE, AS WAS MENTIONED. UM, THIS SITE CURRENTLY HOUSES 131 DWELLING UNITS. UH, THE, IT'S A FAMILY, FAMILY SITE, SO IT RANGES IN SIZES. UM, THE SITE IS UNIQUE AND IT WITH ITS PLACEMENT. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, OR THE PRESENTATION HERE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE SHEET, UM, IS OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD TO WEST IS A ONE AND TWO FAMILY, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND WE'VE CONNECTED BETWEEN MAPLE STREET, BEACH STREET, AND OAK STREET, NOT CONTINUOUSLY CONNECTED. IT'S BROKEN TO OUR SOUTH, WHICH IS TO THE LEFT OF THE STREET IS 2 87. AND THEN TO THE EAST OF OUR SITE, THERE IS A WATERCOURSE THAT RUNS AND IT COLLECTS THE WATER FROM THE NORTH OF THE EMBANKMENT, FLOWS DOWN, GOES UNDER 2 87, AND THEN SWINGS ITS WAY TO THE WEST. AND THEN EVENTUALLY IT WORKS ITS WAY TO THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY. UH, BRONX RIVER. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS, IS GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. THEY'RE TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE TWO SEPARATE PARKING FIELDS. UM, SO THAT'S GIVES YOU A BIT OF WHAT THIS SITE LOOKS LIKE. THERE'S A DESIRE AND A VISION FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND ONE IS TO REPLACE THE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'VE HEARD, AND ALSO TO IMPROVE THE LIVING AND LIFE QUALITY OF LIFE CONDITIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE. OH, I THINK I JUMPED TOO FAR. HERE WE GO. UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, WE HAD TO CHANGE THE APARTMENT TYPOLOGY. SO FROM GARDEN APARTMENTS, WE'RE NOW MOVING INTO A APARTMENT STYLE, LIVING WITH [02:00:01] ELEVATORS. UM, THIS AFFORDS US, UM, A BETTER ORGANIZATION ON THE SITE AND THEN ACCESS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND NOW WE HAVE CONNECTIVITY AND EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING ROAD NETWORK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO OUR SITE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ACCESS BACK OUT TO OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD. THIS DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS. THIS IMPROVES PUBLIC SAFETY AND THIS ALSO IMPROVES EMERGENCY ACCESS INTO THE SITE ITSELF. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE ALSO STARTED TO ADDRESS PARKING. THIS GETS US CLOSER TO WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE. UM, SO IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN THAT REGARD. UM, WHAT WE ARE DOING AS WELL IS WE'RE RESPECTING THE EXISTING TREES ALONG, UM, OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD AND THE NICE STREET SCAPE THAT'S THERE NOW WITH THE MATURE TREES. UM, WE'RE ALSO RESPECTING THE WATERCOURSE THAT'S HERE. AND THERE ARE SOME, UM, AND I DO HAVE TO SAY THIS IS VERY EARLY ON, SO WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND CONFIRM A LOT OF THE SITE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME STEEP SLOPES AS THEY'RE IDENTIFIED HERE. THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE A BUFFER THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED FROM THE WATER COURSE, BUT ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE FULLY MAPPED FIRST TO REPLY OFFICIALLY TO ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE SUBMITTED. UM, BUT WE'VE RESPECTED THOSE AND OUR CURRENT LAYOUT IS OFF OF THAT. ALTHOUGH WE TOUCH INTO THE BUFFER, WE'RE NOT DISTURBING WHAT WOULD BE THE EMBANKMENT OF THE STREAM. UM, THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THAT STREAM IN THE EDGE AS A LITTLE BIT OF A PASSIVE RECREATION. YOU CAN SEE IT, THERE'S A PATHWAY THERE. MM-HMM. , UM, AND TRY TO CLEAN UP THAT EMBANKMENT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. AS PART OF A MITIGATION EFFORT FOR BEING SO CLOSE TO THAT BUFFER. RIGHT. AND BEING SLIGHTLY IN THE BUFFER, UM, WITH THIS TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT. UM, THERE ARE SOME TREES. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE OPEN SPACE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND ALSO TO OUR BUFFER. WE'RE ALSO CREATING, UM, WITH THE PARKING SCHEME, AS YOU SEE, IT ENDS UP BEING A BIT OF ITS OWN NATURAL, UM, BUFFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'RE INTRODUCING A TREE LINED AREA RIGHT ALONG THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE PARKING FIELDS. SO THIS IS THE GIST OF THE PROPOSAL WITH THIS. THE OTHER VISION IS TO NOT ONLY HAVE 131 UNITS, BUT TO INCREASE THAT. NOW THIS WOULD BE ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO 190 UNITS. SO IT'S AN INCREASE OF ROUGHLY 50% FROM ONE 30 TO ONE 90. THEY ARE THEY 40% AND BELOW AMI OR, OR WHAT WAS YOUR FOUND? UM, SOME OF IT IS, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S A RANGE. AND A LOT OF THIS IS ALSO FROM THE FUNDING SOURCE BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CONCENTRATION OF ULTRALOW. ABSOLUTELY. SO THEY WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, OF A RANGE THROUGH THERE. AND SOME OF THEM TOUCH CLOSE TO MARKET RATE. SO WAY 80% BELOW THIS COULD BE 80% BELOW. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AFFORDABLE, SO IT'S GONNA BE 80%. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE UNDER THE LAW THEY HAVE TO AVERAGE 60 TO GET FUNDING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THEY HAVE TO AVERAGE 60. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE FUNDING. OKAY. PEOPLE, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. I'M NOT, UM, WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR. THIS JUST THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. WE REALLY GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS, BUT WE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ON THIS PLAN? STATE? STATE 200? GOOD QUESTION. THIS PARKING, WELL, IT'S, UH, ZOOM IN. I WANNA SEE WHAT THE RATIO IS TO IT. YEAH. QUITE AT AT LEAST TWO. I THINK. I THINK IT WAS SOMEPLACE IN, IN, UH, YEAH, I THINK I READ IT. DO YOU APPROXIMATE WHAT THE RATIO OF PARKING TO UNITS IS? IT'S IN HERE. WELL, NOW IN, IN EXISTING AND ALSO, SO I CAN, WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED? I CAN ANSWER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT COUNTS, WE CAN, I CAN. IT IS TO THE, HERE'S THE TARGET. THE REASON I ASK IS THIS THE REA, EXCUSE ME. THE REASON I ASK SURE. ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES IS THIS, ON THE CURRENT PLAN, YOU SHOWED TWO PARKING LOTS, WHICH DON'T, YOU KNOW, SPAN THE ENTIRE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF PARKING SPOTS. NOW THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS LOOKS LIKE IT'S TWO OR THREE TIMES AS MANY AS YOU HAVE NOW WHEN YOU'VE ONLY ADDING 50% MORE APARTMENTS. SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU ARE UNDER PARKED NOW, IF YOU'RE [02:05:01] PLANNING TO BE OVER PARKED RATIO, IT JUST SO I'LL ADDRESS THAT. RIGHT. SO JUST BIGGER PICTURE, THE CURRENT PARKING RATIO IS THREE QUARTERS OF A PARKING SPACE PER UNIT, WHICH IS, THAT'S LOW. WHICH IS LOW. YEAH. THAT'S REALLY LOW. UM, THERE IS MASS TRANSIT AROUND THE AREA. I THINK SO, BUT IT'S BUS ROUTES. AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE WORK TO THE TRAIN STATION. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT CHANGES THAT PARKING RATIO WITH THE ADDED UNITS TO ONE AND A THIRD PARKING SPACES PER UNIT. IT'S MUCH BETTER. YEAH. IT'S A CONSIDERABLE INCREASE. 1.3. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DIRECTLY AVERAGE, THERE'S 270 PARKING SPACES BEING PROPOSED. OKAY. BUT WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IS 353 OR THREE 50, AND IT WORKS OFF OF UNIT MIX. RIGHT. SO IT WORKS OFF OF, AND WHICH WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT. I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE, ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO SHIFT A BIT AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THE PROJECT. UM, BUT THERE IS, WE'RE WE'RE TARGETING AN IMPROVEMENT. HELL, IT'S A HELL OF A BIG IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU HERE TODAY, SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU BECAUSE YOU BECOME MORE OF A TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITY, THAT IT'S ONE-TO-ONE. I FRANKLY, THAT MAKES ME ONE, EVEN ONE TO ONE MAKES ME A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE. POINT SEVEN FIVE IS DEFINITELY, SO YOU, YOU, YOU DIRECTIONALLY, I ABSOLUTE SUPPORT WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS IN TERMS OF PARKING. LESLIE, WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING? I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT US BEING TRANSIT ORIENTATED, BUT I DID WANT, MAYBE I'M MISSING IT IN TERMS OF SORT OF RECREATION SPACE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THE OPEN SPACE, AND SO I SEE, YOU KNOW, THE YELLOW AREAS, BUT AS WE'VE LOOKED AT ANOTHER PROJECT, SORT OF A CENTRAL AREA OR PLAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SEEING. WELL, OKAY. IT'S A LITTLE EARLY IS, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A CENTRALIZED OR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE RECREATION AREAS. SURE. THEN YOU COME IN WITH A, IF YOU WERE TO COME IN WITH A FORMAL, WE CAN, THE TOWN PARK IS CONNECTED TO THE, CORRECT. THE TOWN PARK. YEAH. SO THIS IS A, A LITTLE POCKET PARK HERE, WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE PROPERTY. YEAH. I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF FOCUSED IN HERE AS AN ACTIVE ZONE FOR RECREATION AND THEN PASSIVE ALONG AND THE BACK SIDES OF THE BUILDING ALONG THIS PATHWAY THAT MIGHT BE HERE. AND THEN THE ACTIVE PART HERE IS ALSO IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT WE CALL HERE BUILDING NUMBER FIVE. UM, THIS IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY ROOM WILL RESIDE IN THE OFFICE. SO THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEN THE PARK THAT'S HERE NOW. UM, SO WE STARTED TO PLACE THESE, BUT THESE ARE JUST PLACEHOLDERS FOR NOW. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I JUST HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN, WHEN YOU BUILT MANHATTAN AVENUE, REFRESH ME MEMORY, WHEN YOU CAME IN, WHEN WE DID THAT PROJECT, DIDN'T WE HAVE A CENTRAL COMMUNITY CENTER IN, IN, IN THAT PROJECT? NO, WE HAD A LOT OF CENTER AND WE HAVE A, UM, C COMMUNITY ROOM. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. YEAH. YEAH. WHICH IS, DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW IN THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? NO. THERE'S COMMUNITY ROOM. YEAH. BUILDING FIVE EXIST. WOULD THERE BE, I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE NEW, FOR THE NEW ONE FOR EXISTING, YES. YES. THERE THE NEW ONE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE ONE. THERE IS ONE FOR THE EXISTING. AND THERE'LL, SO IT'LL BE SHARED BY ALL THE RESIDENTS OF, OF THE COMPLEX. OKAY. SO THERE IS EXISTING, BUT THIS WILL BE BIGGER. OKAY. THIS WILL BE LARGER. OKAY. WALTER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY. I JUST WANNA RAISE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU ADDRESS IN THE FINAL PLAN. ONE IS, UH, THE STREETS. I CAN'T SEE THOUGH THE, THE THREE STREETS THAT WILL BE OPENED UP INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. THE QUESTION IS, WILL THAT CREATE APA TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE COM? IS THAT AN ISSUE? SO YOU JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THOSE STREETS ARE CLOSED. SO WHETHER OR NOT, UH, RESIDENTS WILL BE USING AS A SHORTCUT TO GET OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL, BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. THE OTHER THING IS, UH, UH, DISPLACEMENT OF THE CURRENT UNITS. UH, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING THE SENIOR HOUSING, THAT WAS A MAJOR ISSUE FOR THIS BOARD OF THE DISPLACEMENT OF PEOPLE. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BILL, UH, THESE UNITS WITHOUT DISPLACING, UH, UH, EVEN ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, DISPLACING THOSE PEOPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT LOOK AT IS HOW WHITE PLAINS IS DOING THE REVITALIZATION OF THEIR HOUSING UNIT THAT BUILT [02:10:01] ONE BUILDING IN THE OPEN SPACE, AND THEN THEY MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE BUILDING INTO THAT NEW BUILDING. THEN THEY TORE DOWN THAT BUILDING AND BUILT ANOTHER. SO PEOPLE NEVER REALLY LEFT THE SITE. SO I CAN ANSWER THAT. WE'VE THOUGHT THAT THAT ONE OUT. OKAY. UM, WELL, TO THE POINT WHERE I THINK WE CAN MANAGE THAT AND CURB WHAT HAPPENED AT, LET'S SAY MANHATTAN AVENUE A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION IN THE SITE LAYOUT, THERE IS, WE STUDIED IT. THERE REALLY IS NO PLACE TO SET UP A NEW BUILDING, NEW BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE THE DENSITY THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO VACATE SOME OF WHAT'S HERE. UM, SO WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGN, THERE ARE NOW FIVE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO SLIDE TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH WE CONSIDER OUR PHASING PLAN. AND THE TAN BUILDINGS ARE THE FIVE NEW ONES. AND THEN THE GRAY BUILDINGS, AS YOU SEE, ARE THE EXISTING ONES. SO IN THIS SCHEME, WE'RE SUGGESTING AT THE LOW END OF THE SITE, NEAR 2 87, IS THAT THESE TWO BUILDINGS, THESE TWO, THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE. THIS BUILDING WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, AND IT WOULD HAVE THE DENSITY ONCE THIS BUILDING'S UP TO NOT ONLY RECEIVE THESE RESIDENTS BACK, BUT ALSO PULL IN THE NEXT TWO BUILDINGS INTO THIS ONE. THAT'S THE NEXT REQUEST, IS THAT THIS ONE BUILDING WOULD BE FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT TO PROVIDE US WITH THAT DENSITY. ONCE THAT'S ACHIEVED, THEN THE NEXT BUILDING CAN BE ERECTED. AND THE RESIDENTS ARE NEVER BEING RELOCATED. THEY'RE JUST BEING MOVED ON SITE INTO THE NEW UNIT. SO, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID THE FIRST SET IS BEING RELOCATED THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS, WHICH WOULD BE 24? RIGHT NOW IT'S 24 UNITS. OKAY. WELL, OKAY. MY, BETWEEN THE TWO, WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS A RIGOROUS PROGRAM TO MINIMIZE, UH, THE UPSIDE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISPLACEMENT OF THOSE FEELINGS. I THINK WITH THE SENIOR CITIZEN COMPLEX, YOU CAME UP WITH A, A VERY RIGOROUS PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING AT LEAST AS VIGOROUS TO ADDRESS THE DISPLACEMENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS. OKAY. RIGHT. WELL, I'M, I'M SORRY, I JUST, I'M NOT CLEAR. SO THE FIRST FOLKS, THEY GET RELOCATED SO THAT YOU CAN BUILD SOMETHING NEW, THEY GET A VOUCHER OR WHATEVER. YEAH. BUT WHEN THAT NEW BUILDING COMES UP, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY COME BACK. YEAH. WHICH MEANS THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHATEVER THE CONFIGURATION OF THE APARTMENTS WERE FOR THE FAMILIES THAT LEFT. SO FOR WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CONFIGURATION IS. YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR FAMILIES THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THREE BEDROOMS, TWO FAMILIES THAT HAVE TWO BEDROOMS. SO THE NEW BUILDING, THAT'S THAT FIRST BUILDING THAT YOU PUT UP WILL BE ABLE TO HOUSE EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LEFT. IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. IT'S A, YEAH, IT, THIS IS A DIFFICULT PROCESS. UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ORGANIZE AND ORCHESTRATE. IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO MANAGE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS BEEN DOING, IS MANAGING THAT. SO YES, WE ARE WORKING TOWARD KEEPING ALL OF THIS TO A MINIMUM. OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT I HEAR FROM WHAT LESLIE'S SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT THESE PEOPLE MOVING TWICE. NO. YOU WANT THEM MOVING BACK INTO THE PERMANENT APART APARTMENT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO IF THEY WERE IN A TWO BEDROOM, THERE HAS TO BE A TWO BEDROOM AVAILABLE WHEN THEY MOVE BACK, THE ONES THAT WERE DISPLACED. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, ONCE THEY MOVE BACK, THEY HAVE TO BE RIGHT SIZED. RIGHT. AND THEY CANNOT MOVE BACK. OKAY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME APARTMENTS THAT ARE FIVE BEDROOMS AND THEY ARE UNDER HOUSED. SO, SO WE HAVE TO RIGHTSIZE EVERYBODY. AND IN THAT FIRST BUILDING, WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, UH, VARIATION IN THE UNITS FROM TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM, FOUR BEDROOM TO RIGHT SIZE OF THAT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. AND ONE OTHER ITEM THAT I DIDN'T MENTION EARLY ON IS THAT THE 131 RESIDENTS UNITS THAT ARE HERE, THEY'RE ALL, THE INTENTION IS THAT THEY'RE ALL BACK. SO, UM, THIS HOUSES THEM, UM, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL 59 UNITS. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH. UH, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THE, UH, THE FLOODING IN THAT AREA, UM, I, I KNOW WHEN [02:15:01] YOU THEATER YOUNG, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER F HAD FLOODED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST. I BELIEVE SOME WORK WAS DONE. BUT, UH, IS THERE TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER MAKING, UH, MORE PROGRESS IN PREVENTING FLOODING IN THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WITHIN THIS, WITHIN THE PLANS OR NOT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A SOLUTION NOW. IT'S JUST SOME FEEDBACK FOR AREAS THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT. AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THEM. WHETHER OR NOT ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE DONE IN FLOODING IN THAT AREA. THE OTHER THING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE WHOLE COMPLEX, I MEAN, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN ENTRANCE. SOME SORT OF, HEY, YOU'RE ENTERING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU HAVE, UH, UH, SOME STONE WORK AND THE ENTRANCE, BUT SOMETHING TO SAY, WE'RE TALKING THE SAME. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, AND SOME TREES OR SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT A NICE ENTRANCE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I, SO, UH, FLOODING TRAFFIC, UH, DISPLACEMENT AROUND. YEAH, THOSE ARE MY FOUR. UH, THE FLOODING, ONE OF THE THINGS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A PATH DOWN TO THE BRONX RIVER, I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. THERE MAY BE SOMETHING YOU CAN GET THEM TO DO TO, TO HELP MITIGATE THE FLOODING AT THAT POINT. LIKE THEY DID HERE IN WHITE PLAINS WHERE THEY DUG UP, THEY DUG UP THE RIVER IN WHITE PLAINS AND, AND PUT NEW, NEW BANKS ON IT. SO MAYBE YOU COULD GET THEM TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE, WE CAN SEE THIS IS A TRIBUTARY TO THE BRONX RIVER STILL. IS IT STILL ARMY MARINE CORPS OF ENGINEERS? WELL, THAT'S, THIS IS A TRIBUTARY, RIGHT? SO IS IT DC OR IS IT, IS IT ARMY CORPS? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WHO'S REGULATING THIS. IT COULD BE THE TOWN. UM, AND AT MINIMUM IT WILL BE, IF IT'S A TOWN, TOWN, IT WOULD, IT WILL BE, I'M NOT SURE. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE FEMA MAPS, THERE IS NO FLOODING IDENTIFIED IN THIS INDIRECT, IN THIS DIRECT AREA. IF YOU, IF YOU HAD SEEN WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED AT THE RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFERENTLY. I'M NOT VERY DIFFERENT THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T OCCUR, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK FOR US TO ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WORK WITH THE TOWN, THAT'S SOMETHING, IT'S PRETTY LOW IN THERE. THAT'S A LOW AREA. UM, AND JUST ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING TO, DO YOU WORK WITH DOT OR TRANSPORTATION? SO WHAT, 59 MORE FAMILIES ARE, IT'S NOT LIKE 59 MORE FAMILIES ARE GONNA MAKE A BIG FLOOD, BUT IT, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR FAMILIES TO HAVE THE ABILITY, YOU KNOW, TO GET BACK AND FORTH WHERE WE DO. SO LIKE THE NEAREST BUS STOP I KNOW FROM THERE WOULD BE GOING DOWN TO, UM, HILLSIDE. HILLSIDE, YEAH. CORRECT. AND IT WOULD BE HILLSIDE, OTHERWISE MANHATTAN AVENUE OUT TO, OR YOU CAN GO TO NORWOOD ROAD, MANHATTAN AVENUE OUT TO ONE 19. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HIKE. IT IS TO NORWOOD ROAD. YEAH. SO IT JUST MIGHT BE TIME TO KIND OF CONSIDER IF THERE'S PROGRAMS WHERE THEY CAN HELP. BECAUSE I, I HEARD OF ONE PROGRAM WHERE DOT WILL HELP MUNICIPALITIES, UM, EVEN PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IT AND, UH, WORK WITH DOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRANSPORTATION MEETS THE BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT NEW FAMILIES TO MOVE HERE. MM-HMM. . BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING. WE WANT TO ASSESS ALL THOSE FEASIBILITIES AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE POSSIBILITIES. NOW, IN TERMS OF ZONING, YOU WANT TO CHANGE TO AN M 22, RIGHT? AH, YES. SO TO GET THE ADDED DENSITY, IF YOU WANNA WALK THROUGH WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. YEAH, YEAH. UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST WOULD BE TO REMAP, ASK FOR A ZONING MAP. THE, UH, AMENDMENT TO GO FROM M 14 TO THE M 22. UM, AND THE CHANGES THERE ARE, WHAT WAS THAT? GO THROUGH WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE, PLEASE. SURE. IT'S HEIGHT, BASICALLY IT'S HEIGHT, DENSITY, IT'S HEIGHT DENSITY. IT'S DENSITY. IT'S 3 38. THEY STILL NEED THE VARIANCE FOR THE HEIGHT. THEY DO. OKAY. SO HERE'S A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE M 14 AND THE M 22. UM, IT'S ON THE SCREEN. SO BASICALLY, UM, YOU DO GET MORE DENSITY, RIGHT? SO THE WAY THEY WORK DENSITY HERE IS, UM, LOT SIZE TO NUMBER OF UNITS. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE GOING FROM 3000 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT. NOW THE SITE IS [02:20:01] JUST UNDER EIGHT, EIGHT ACRES. UM, SO THAT HAS A YIELD AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 120. UM, WE'RE NOW GETTING OUR YIELD OF 2000 SQUARE FEET OF LOT PER UNIT. MM-HMM. . AND THAT ENDS UP BEING ROUGHLY 175. THEN THERE'S, WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST AS WELL FROM THE TOWN BOARD, UM, A BONUS DENSITY REQUEST BECAUSE WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE. NOT JUST 10%, NOT 20%, WHICH THE CODE ASKS FOR. WE'RE GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT LITTLE EXTRA BUMP THAT'S IN THE, IN THE CODE. WHICH TICKETS STILL? HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS WOULD, THAT WOULD BRING US UP TO 191. AND WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR THOUGH? 190. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA BE AT THE MAX. SO HERE, THE, THE OTHER THING YOU SAID IS ONLY ONE BUILDING GONNA BE FOUR STORIES. CORRECT. AND THAT VARI BE THAT FIRST NEED THE VARIANCE, WE NEED THE VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT. THE ONE BUILDING AND STORIES WE'RE ASKING FOR JUST THE HEIGHT AND FEET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW QUITE YET HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF STORIES. ONE OTHER THING THAT, UH, WE HAD A FORMER BOARD MEMBER WHO BROUGHT THIS UP, AND I'M GLAD SHE DID WHEN WE WERE DOING MANHATTAN AVENUE ELEVATORS. OKAY. PLEASE MAKE SURE THE SUFFICIENT ELEVATORS TO SERVE THESE BUILDINGS. 'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE LAST TIME. MM-HMM. THAT THERE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH THERE. ONE PER, THERE'S ONE PER BUILDING. IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, THOSE PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE OLDER, YOU KNOW, WERE, WERE ARE DISABLED. DISABLED IN SOME WAY. WE'RE REALLY, WE EVEN HAD KIDS, UM, I THINK WE REQUESTED TWO PER BUILDINGS. YEAH. I THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR TWO. WELL, WITH AVAV, I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT SENIOR FACILITY, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO, AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION. I THINK, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. AT LEAST IT COULD BE A BANK OF TWO. I GUESS I DON'T HAVE TO BE SEPARATE, BUT, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TWO PER PER BUILDING. OKAY. WE'RE EARLY ENOUGH. OKAY. WHERE YOU ASKED. YEP. OKAY. WE'RE YOU ASKED, WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU. I THINK ONE OF THE IDEA AT THAT TIME WAS TO HELP BUILDING CONNECTED WITH SOME KIND OF BRIDGE. SO CAN'T DO IT ONE ELEVATOR TO CAN'T DO IT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S POSSIBLE. I THINK THESE ARE LIKE A WALKWAY. NO. YEAH. BUT, BUT IF YOU ARE TIGHT WITH THESE THINGS, YOU CAN HAVE A, THOSE BUILDINGS ELEVATOR MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER. UH, CONNECTED ONLY ONE ELEVATOR CONNECTED WITH A BRIDGE CAN USE TO THE SECOND ONE. YEAH. WE'LL CONSIDER, I'M GONNA DECIDE SOME OF THE IDEAS. YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL CONSIDER THE IDEA TWO FOR BUILDING , TWO FOR BUILDING. UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT OFF STREET PARKING ALREADY, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT HEIGHT, AND THE LAST ITEM THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT WAS BUILDING COVERAGE. SO BUILDING COVERAGE IN THE ZONING, AS YOU SEE HERE, AS A COMPARISON, IS ACTUALLY BROKEN INTO THREE SEPARATE ITEMS. NUMBER ONE IS PRINCIPLE BUILDING. NUMBER TWO IS ACCESSORY BUILDING. AND THEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS COMBINE TO A TOTAL BUILDING COVERAGE. SO IN BOTH THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION AND IN THE PROPOSED CONFIGURATION, UM, WE EXCEED THE PRINCIPLE BUILDING COVERAGE. BUT WHEN WE COMBINE THE ACCESSORY AND THE PRINCIPLE WE'RE UNDER FOR TOTAL BUILDING COVERAGE. OKAY. AND I THINK THE WAY, I MEAN THIS IS THE INTERPRETATION AS I READ IT, I'M SURE PEOPLE, YOU CAN TELL ME DIFFERENTLY AND THAT, UM, THE ACCESSORY COVERAGE IS HIGH AND IT SEEMS TO BE MORE INCLINED FOR, LET'S SAY GARAGE GARAGES. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, AND THEN FROM AN IMPERVIOUS STANDPOINT, WE ARE UNDER ALL THE THRESHOLDS ON THAT AS WELL. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. ONE OTHER, THE THING, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE GET SOMEONE TO FUND THIS, UM, I THINK THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO LESLIE'S HEART IS THINKING OF COVERING SOME OF THOSE PARKING WITH, SO SOLAR, IF THERE ACTUALLY WOULD BE BE SOLAR CANOPIES. SOLAR CANOPIES, I THINK THAT'D BE FANTASTIC. PARTICULARLY IF, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MAKE THE PLACE SELF-SUFFICIENT IN A, IN A BLACKOUT, AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WITH BATTERY STORAGE TOO. SO I THINK YEAH. SOMETHING YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT. I MEAN, THAT GOES TO THE QUESTION OF HOW THEY INTEND TO POWER IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF THEY'RE GOING OFF GAS, I THINK WE CAN GO UP GAS. SO WE ARE, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT DECARBONIZATION OF THE BUILDINGS. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL ELECTRIC HERE. UM, WE WILL BE HAVING SOME EMERGENCY POWER, UM, GIVEN THE, THE SIZE AND SCOPE THAT WILL BE PROB MOST LIKELY NATURAL GAS, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION, UM, THAT CONED WILL ALLOW. UM, AND WE'RE IN THE WHOLE DECARBONIZATION PROGRAM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THEY REALLY [02:25:01] ARE STRINGENT. UM, AND WE ARE ECONOMICAL WITH THE ELECTRICITY THAT WE WOULD THEN BE USING, UM, EFFICIENCY, UM, THROUGH HEATING AND COOLING. RIGHT. UM, USING THE, UM, VVS, UM, AND HEAT PUMP SYSTEMS. UM, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO YET BETWEEN ELECTRICITY OR GROUND SOURCE OR AIR SOURCED FOR THAT HEAT PUMP SYSTEM. UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL EXPLORING. UM, WE'RE ALSO, BESIDES ENERGY AND SUSTAINABILITY ITEMS, RIGHT. BEING FROM OPEN SPACE AND GREEN, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS FOR QUALITY OF LIFE, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT RESILIENCY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ITEMS SUCH AS SHELTERING IN PLACE, NOT ONLY FROM ELECTRICAL, BUT LET'S SAY IF THERE IS A FLOOD OR A HEAT WAVE, UM, THAT WE HAVE MEANS THAT PEOPLE CAN RESIDE IN THESE BUILDINGS IN THE EVENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISASTER FOR THAT'S GREAT. AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. RIGHT. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP. BUT THERE IS, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I WOULD NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP FOR REZONING FOR THIS, THERE ARE TWO PARCELS THERE THAT'S STILL ON THE URBAN RENEWAL. MAYBE WE SHOULD BE WHEN WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT OF ITS CODE GETTING RID OF YOU. SO WE GET THE RID OF THE UR 'CAUSE ZONING, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA EITHER. IT REALLY, IT SERVED THIS PURPOSE. I GOT ONE QUESTION. HOW CLOSE IS THIS TO ANY, ANY, UH, FOOD STORES? I GUESS NOW YOU'RE CLOSE TO DJ'S. DJ'S, BJ'S. THAT'S NOT A REAL REAL, YOU DON'T HAVE A REAL FOOD STORE ANYWHERE NEAR THERE. YEAH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. NO, THAT'S BEEN A BIG THING. MM-HMM. . OKAY. DID, I'M JUST IN INTEREST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING. YEAH. AND WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY YOU MAY HAVE THAT COULD, YOU COULD PUT A CO-OP, I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS BIG ENOUGH TO PUT A CO-OP IN THERE, WHICH WOULD BE TERRIFIC TO PUT A CO-OP NEXT TO THIS THING. I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK TO, TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE ARE HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FUNDING AGENCIES AND, AND, AND A LOT OF TIMES THE FUNDING AGENCIES DICTATE WHAT ON CERTAIN PARTS. BUT THIS WOULD BE OFF YOUR PROPERTY. THERE ARE TWO OTHER, THERE TWO, WHAT HE SAID ABOUT'S TWO OTHER POTENTIAL. YOU WANT THIS NOT ON YOUR, BUT YOU HAVE TWO. SO JUST A MATTER OF THINKING ON A BROADER SENSE, I THINK, TO THE POINT OF MAKING IT A FULL COMMUNITY EXACTLY. IN THAT AREA. EXACTLY. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC IF WE COULD DO THAT. OH, JUST ONE LAST COMMENT ON, UH, SITE PLAN. NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT SITE SAY YOU GUYS, THE COOP, I'M SORRY. THERE WAS THE COOPERATIVE SITE OF COOPERATIVE NOT ON YOUR SITE. SO YOU WERE TALKING NEIGHBORHOOD WISE, THE LARGER SCALE, IF YOU THEM, DON'T WORRY, DON'T WORRY. I NO, NO, NO. IF YOU CONFUSE THEM, THEM, I DON'T WANNA SCARE YOU. URBAN RENEWAL SITES AND THE URBAN RENEWAL DESIGNATION SHOULD GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BLIGHTED AREA. I DON'T THINK SO. BUT JUST SO THERE'S TWO, THE SITES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE YOU, ALL RIGHT. SO THE, SO I'M SAYING MAYBE THAT'S MANHATTAN THAT COULD ENCOURAGE HIGH RISE SOMEONE WITH A FOOD, SOMETHING ORDER TO SUPPLY A, A FOOD, UH, STORE IN. SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'S A WAY OF THINKING THOUGH, IF, IF YES, IT'S OUTSIDE, BUT PERHAPS YOU COULD ENCOURAGE SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION TO DO THAT. MM-HMM. . AND I GUESS THE ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD BE, UH, IF THEY DECIDE TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, THAT WE COULD TELL THEM THAT THE BOARD MIGHT BE AMENABLE TO CHANGING RESULT. OH YEAH. I I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO WITH THAT IS GO TO FEG, FAIRVIEW AND PALMER GROUP. THEY WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. AND CREATING THE C COMMUNITY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE UP TO. AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT DOING A FOOD, SOME KIND OF FOOD, RIGHT? FOOD. THIS IS A FOOD, BEEN A FOOD DESERT FOR TOO LONG AND BJ'S HELPS SOMEWHAT. IT'S A BANDAID. IT'S NOT A REAL FOOD STORE. SO, UM, IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. AND I LOVE, UH, THE IDEA THAT LESLIE BROUGHT UP ABOUT CREATING A COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, SHOULD BE OUR GOAL AT ALL TIMES. AND, AND, UH, ELIMINATING THE UR DISTRICT, THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. WE, WE DID THAT FOR, UH, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR MOST, FOR [02:30:01] THE RESIDENTIAL. THEY, THEY TOOK THAT OFF, RIGHT? THE UR MADE THAT THE REGULAR, UH, FIVE OR SEVEN, FIVE ZONE. UH, BUT THERE'S STILL ARE SOME AREAS CLOSER TO ARY TOWN ROAD THAT IS STILL ON THE UR. AND, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE WHOEVER DEVELOP IT SHOULD ADHERE TO THE CURRENT CODE. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, YOU ARE DESIGNATION, GIVE A DEVELOPER A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THE GOAL IS REMOVING BLIGHT. OKAY, GUYS, I'D LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP SHORTLY. YEAH. WE STILL HAVE, UH, A HEARING AND A PUBLIC DISCUSSION. OKAY. AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF INTERESTED PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ON ZOOM TONIGHT. SO, UM, ANY OTHER PERTINENT QUESTIONS THAT THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KNOW TONIGHT TO GO BACK AND WORK ON? NO, NO. GREAT STARTING POINT. YEAH. WE, WE WANNA BE WITH YOU AND, AND HELP YOU DEVELOP THIS AND, AND, AND, AND MAKE THIS COME THROUGH, WHICH CLEARLY, CLEARLY THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALL THE WAY UP TO 80%. AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF IT BEING MIXED INCOME. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD GET AWAY FROM THE DAYS OF ROBERT MOSES. OF ROBERT MOSES . OKAY. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES. AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE DIRECTION OUR TOWN NEEDS TO GO IN. SO REALLY GOOD START AND, UH, COME TO US OR COME TO AARON WITH ANY QUESTIONS. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING. YES. ENJOY YOUR THANKSGIVING AND THANK YOU. AND WE'LL TAKE THE IDEAS THAT YOU'VE GOT TWO ELEVATORS, AND LOOK, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THAT. I'M COMING OVER THERE. YOU BETTER BE TOO. I KNOW YOU'LL . THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. BISHOP. OPEN DAY. WE'RE GONNA TAKE, WE NEED TO GET OUR, OUR COURT REPORTER TO SET UP AND, UM, WE ARE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK, BACK AND START WITH THE 8 40, 8 45, 8 47 MINUTES. SEVEN MINUTES. THE PUBLIC PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO THINGS BEING BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT. ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SOMETHING, A SPECIFIC CASE THAT WE WERE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF, OF, UH, TRYING TO DECIDE ON. THE OTHER IS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS NOT, IS NOT A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE LAW OF WHAT WE DID. THE, AND THAT'S FOR CHICK-FIL-A THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET PUBLIC INPUT AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY COULD BEFORE WE WE MOVE AHEAD, AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHY WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING UP FOR ANY, ANY TIME YOU COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THE EARLIER, THE BETTER SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, TAKE YOUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. OKAY? COUPLE OF RULES FOR TONIGHT, OKAY? AGAIN, WE HAVE A TIGHT SCHEDULE BETWEEN NOW AND 10 O'CLOCK. UH, I'D APPRECIATE, UH, STAYING ON TOPIC. UH, IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SAID WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, JUST AGREE WITH IS COME UP, PUT ON RECORD THAT YOU AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID. OKAY. BUT DON'T REALIZE, DON'T GO OVER IT AGAIN. OKAY? THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO, TWO THINGS WE HAVE TO DO. WE TRY NOT TO DO A TIME LIMIT HERE IN THIS BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE, I'M PROUD OF THE PUBLIC THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND AND STAY WITH THE RULES AND THAT KEEPS US IN TIME. OKAY? SO WITH THAT, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU CALL THE RULE PLEASE? SURE. CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MR. GOLDEN? HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MS. DAVIS? HERE. MR. SIMON HERE. NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. OKAY? UM, THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS, UH, PB CASE 2224, WHICH IS HARTS HILL HOSPITALITY ON 45 NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE. IT'S FOR SITE PLAN, UH, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE SITE PLAN. WHAT'S THAT? A RECOMMENDATION? NO. OH, IS THAT THE FIVE ACRES? THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. RIGHT. PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. AND WE ALSO NEED TO DO SEEKER AT SOME POINT TONIGHT ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? UH, NO, THAT SEEKER WAS COMPLETED. IT WAS BEFORE I WENT TO THE ZV. OKAY, YOU CHECKED THAT. OKAY, GREAT. SO, MM-HMM. WE'RE THERE, RIGHT? UM, IT'S FOR AN EIGHT UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR APPLICANT TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TO THE PUBLIC. IF YOU COULD KEEP THAT TO LIKE FIVE MINUTES OR SO, CERTAINLY WILL. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. DEFINITELY. UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME'S BRIAN AUGH. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH ZAIN AND STEIN METZ, 81 MAIN STREET, WHITE PLAINS, NEW YORK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, UH, FLO SOZA AND DIVEA HENRIQUEZ, UH, WHO ARE SITTING HERE [02:35:01] NEXT TO ME, UM, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS HARD HILLS HOSPITALITY, LLC. UM, BOTH OF BOTH OF THE OWNERS ARE MEMBERS OF THAT ORGANIZATION. ALSO WITH ME TONIGHT VIA ZOOM, OUR FRANK SPATARO OF BEELER DESIGN STUDIO, PETER CATONE OF CATONE ENGINEERING PC AND SAM THOMPSON OF IQ LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. UM, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE CLIENT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UM, WITH REGARD TO SITE PLAN'S, DEEP SLOPE PERMIT, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS, AS WELL AS A GRANT OF LANDSCAPE WAIVER PURSUANT TO 2 85 DASH THREE EIGHT H TWO C. UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED, THIS IS ALL IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY EIGHT UNIT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THE TOWN'S M 14 ZONING DISTRICT. UM, JUST REAL BRIEFLY, I'LL GO OVER THE PROJECT. THIS IS COMPRISED OF FOUR, THREE BEDROOM UNITS AND FOUR TWO BEDROOM UNITS, TWO OF WHICH WILL BE AFFORDABLE. UM, THAT'S DOUBLE THE CODE REQUIREMENT. UM, WE DO HAVE ACCESS FROM NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE. THERE ARE 18 TOTAL PARKING SPACES. 16 ARE LOCATED BELOW THE BUILDING. FOUR OF THOSE HAVE EV CHARGING STATIONS. WE ALSO HAVE TWO OUTDOOR SPACES AND THAT EXCEEDS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BY TWO SPACES. UM, WE ARE ALSO ARE ALSO PROPOSING EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. UM, WE LAST APPEARED BEFORE YOUR BOARD ON AUGUST 16TH. UH, WE GAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME. YOUR BOARD DECLARED LEAD AGENCY UNDER CCRA AND WE, AND REFER THE MATTER TO THE ZBA. UM, YOU ALSO ADOPTED A SECRET NEGATIVE, I BELIEVE, SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT THAT TIME. YES. MM-HMM. WE DID ON OCTO OCTOBER 19TH. UM, AFTER MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND TWO DAYS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE ZBA UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE REQUISITE AREA VARIANCES FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE TOWN, THE APPLICANT DID REVISE ITS LANDSCAPING PLANS. THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN ADDITIONAL THREE TREES BEING PLANTED. SO WHILE THE NOTICE DOES STATE THAT WE'RE REMOVING NINE REGULATED TREES AND 19 TREES ARE PLANTED AS REPLACEMENT, WE'RE NOW PROPOSING TO REMOVE NINE REGULATED TREES. THOSE SAME NINE, BUT PLANTING 22 IN REPLACEMENT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE SAM THOMPSON ON. AND SAM, IF YOU CAN QUICKLY JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, THAT'D BE GREAT. SAM, YOU MAY BE MUTED. SORRY. UH, AS BRIAN HAD SAID, UH, MY NAME IS SAM THOMPSON. I'M WITH IQ LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. UM, FOLLOWING THE ZBA BOARD MEETINGS AND NEIGHBOR CONCERNS, WE EXPANDED THE SCREENING ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, UH, SCREENING THE DRIVEWAY AND TRASH WITH JUNIPERS. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE ADDED THREE ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, OR SORRY, THAT'S THE WEST PROPERTY LINE TO SCREEN THE REAR NEIGHBORS IN ADDITION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UH, SPRUCE AND DECIDUOUS TREE. UH, AND THEN WITH, UH, SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN. THEY WERE CHANGED FROM PINE TREES TO COLORADO LOOSE SPRUCES TO INCREASE THE SCREENING. UH, ALL THE OTHER TREES ARE NEEDED. AND, UH, AS FOR THE OTHER, THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN GENERAL HAS STAYED THE SAME, BUT THOSE ADDITIONS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. AND, UM, FRANK, IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, UM, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT CONCISE. UM, SURE. UH, THE TWO STORY EIGHT APARTMENT BUILDING IS CENTERED ON THE PROPERTY AND RUNS EAST TO WEST ON THE SITE. THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS 5,153 SQUARE FEET. THE BUILDING IS CENTERED ON THE PROPERTY TO PROVIDE ZONING COMPLIANCE SIDE YARD AND FRONT YARD SETBACKS. AND TO LEAVE THE STEEP SLOPES ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY INTACT. THE BUILDING CONTAINS FOUR APARTMENTS PER FLOOR AND HAS REAR BALCONIES FOR THE SECOND FLOOR RESIDENCE AND REAR PORCHES FOR THE FIRST FLOOR RESIDENCE. GIVING ALL RESIDENTS MORE ACCESS TO THE OUTDOORS BALCONIES. WERE, UH, WERE ADDED TO THE REAR THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. BALCONIES WERE NOT ADDED TO THE FRONT TO KEEP THE FRONT FACADE CLEAN AND SIMPLE LOOKING MORE RESIDENTIAL. THE BUILDING IS FOUR, TWO BEDROOM AND FOUR THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS, ALL OF WHICH ARE SPACIOUS WITH OVER 1000 SQUARE FEET. THE REAR YARD ALSO HAS A 1,500 SQUARE FOOT SUITABLE OPEN SPACE AREA FOR REAR, FOR RESIDENCE TO USE. UH, 16 OF THE PARKING SPACES ARE HIDDEN FROM VIEW UNDER THE BUILDING, UH, RESULTING IN LESS DISTURBANCE. OOPS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A PRETTY BROAD [02:40:01] OVERVIEW. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOOD THERE. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU, FRANK. UM, SO JUST TO GIVE A IDEA TO THE PUBLIC, THE THERE IS, IS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, IT'S TECHNICALLY I, I BELIEVE WEST, BUT, UM, ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THIS PLAN, SO ABUTTING THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. UM, AGAIN, THE ONLY CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ARE TO THE LANDSCAPING ON THIS PLAN, SINCE YOU LAST SAW IT. UM, WE'VE IMPROVED THE LANDSCAPING. SO GIVEN THAT THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT COULD BE FOUND, SO OUR SECRET NEGATIVE DECK DOES REMAIN INTACT. UM, AND, UH, JUST AT THIS POINT, I, I, I BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'VE CONCLUDED. HOPEFULLY THAT'S BRIEF ENOUGH FOR YOU CHAIR. UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. FROM THE BOARD FIRST. WALTER, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. JUST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION, WE HAVE SEEN IT GOOD, BUT COULD YOU THROW UP THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING? UH, YES, SIR. THE INTERIOR LAYOUT OF THE YES. YES. SO THE THREE BEDROOMS ARE ON THE ENDS AND THE TWO BEDROOMS ARE ON THE INTERIOR. UM, THEY'RE IDENTICAL, THEY'RE STACKED, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. THE BEDROOMS ARE MOSTLY TO THE BACK AND TO THE REAR. AND THE LIVING PUBLIC SPACES ARE IN THE FRONT, THE KITCHEN, THE LIVING ROOMS AND THE BATHROOMS ARE TYPICALLY ON THE INTERIOR. BUT I THINK A KEY POINT IS THAT THE APARTMENTS RUN THE FULL LENGTH OF THE BUILDING. SO EVEN THE APARTMENTS ON THE BA IN THE FRONT THAT DOES NOT HAVE, THAT DO NOT HAVE A BALCONY IN THE BACK. THEY HAVE A, A PATIO. MM-HMM, . AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR THERE, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FRONT, BUT THEY HAVE A DECK. SO WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OR ON THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE OUTDOORS. SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO MAKE CLEAR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE ASK THE PUBLIC? I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, SIR. I DID MISS MISSPEAK EARLIER. I SAID THERE WAS TWO AFFORDABLE UNITS. THERE ARE, THERE'S ONE AFFORDABLE UNIT PER THE CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS PARTICULAR PRO PROJECT? JUST CURIOUS. YOU HAVE TO CUT, YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE, TO THE MIC. DO YOU HAVE A SITE LOCATION PLAN? TOM BOCK, FULTON PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION. BOCK, BOCK. THROUGH THE MIC A LITTLE MORE. WE CAN, WHEN I ASKED NOW, BE NICE. SURE. OKAY. UH, TOM BOCK, FULTON PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION. MY QUESTION IS, WHERE IS 45? I SEE IT'S 45. UH, NORTH WASHINGTON. I'M JUST CURIOUS, CAN YOU BRING UP, WE'LL HAVE THEM ZOOM IN ON THE LOCATION PLAN. OKAY. THANKS. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THE PET CEMETERY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT'S ACROSS THE BACK SIDE OF THE THAT HELPS. IS THAT, THAT, THAT HELP YOU? GREAT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO COMMENT ON, ON THIS PROJECT? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT? I KNOW THERE WERE, THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON WHO SIGNED UP. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR NOW WOULD BE THE TIME? NOBODY ELSE? YES, SIR. COME UP AND, AND STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. ANI BAR. SORRY. ARE THE UNITS, UH, SPRINKLED, UH, SPEAK TO THE BOARD. ARE ARE THE UNITS, SPRINKLERED? WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT? OTHERWISE WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND? NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. FRANK, UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE SPRINKLER, CORRECT? IT HAS TO BE BY CODE, I BELIEVE. YEAH. IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT. YEP. OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? LAST CALL? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL WHEN? UH, WELL, WE HAVE THREE WEEKS BETWEEN OKAY. UM, TILL OUR NEXT MEETING, SO WE COULD 29TH KEEP THINGS OPEN TO THE 27TH, I ASSUME TO THE, THE 27TH IS A MONDAY. IS A MONDAY. OKAY. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE, UH, RECORD OPEN TILL THE 27TH OF NOVEMBER. CAN I HAVE, SO MOVE. SECOND. SECOND, WALTER AND, AND TOM? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'LL BE MAKING A DECISION IN OUR NEXT MEETING [02:45:03] ON THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. JUST GRAB SOMETHING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LAST BUT NOT LEAST. I THINK YOU GUYS WERE ALWAYS LAST. I'M NOT SURE. RIGHT? THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. I GENERALLY, I DON'T LIKE TO START, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS AS LATE. JUST TO BE HONEST, IT, IT WAS JUST OUR SCHEDULE HAS BEEN SO BACKED UP THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO IT THIS TIME. AND AGAIN, I GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR STARTING, STARTING PUBLIC COMMENT THIS LATE ON THIS. IT'S LATER THAN I WOULD'VE LIKED TO. OKAY. THIS IS A, AS I SAID, THIS IS ONLY A PUBLIC DISCUSSION. OKAY. IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S HERE, WE'RE HERE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, ON THIS PROJECT. UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, THERE IS, I THINK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE PLANNING BOARD OPEN QUESTIONS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF FIRST. THEN AFTERWARDS WE'LL HAVE YOU PRESENT. OKAY. SO THE, SO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. AND THEN, THEN, AND THEN THE COMMUNIC. I'LL HAVE TIME TO TALK. OKAY. TO ASK QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. I, I'LL START OFF. OKAY. FIRST, I, I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF AND JOE DANCO WILL BE FILLING IN FOR ME ON THIS. THANK YOU AMANDA. AND I JUST WANT TO GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GO ATTORNEY. MR. DANKO ON, UH, ON ZOOM, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER DUQUE ON ZOOM, AND WE HAVE JOHN CANNING AVAILABLE THIS EVENING AS WELL. OKAY, GREAT. GREAT. MR. JACK, WE SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY. YEAH, I WILL EXPLAIN THAT. UM, UH, MS. BAGGA HAD TO, HAD TO RECUSE HERSELF BECAUSE OF, OF HAVING, UH, SOME DONE SOME REPRESENTATION PRIOR TO COMING TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AS, UH, AS A TOWN ATTORNEY. THAT'S WHY. OKAY. THAT'S THE REASON SHE RECRUITED HERSELF FROM THIS PROJECT. I DO HAVE ONE, ONE THING THAT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I'M HOPING WE CAN GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. IF I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GUYS SENT, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE STACKING, PARTICULARLY WITH THE OVERFLOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. YOU MEAN THE NUMBERS OF THE MAXIMUM BY THE MAX, THE MAXIMUM CAR CARS? CORRECT. I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, UNFORTUNATELY. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE BASED ON FOUR FOUR, UH, PLACES THAT MAY BE SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OR NOT. YOU HAVE 3000 LOCATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES. I HAVE NO IDEA. OUT OF THAT 3000 LOCATIONS, HOW MANY HAVE THIS CONFIGURATION? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE THEN FOR YOU GUYS TO WORK WITH MR. CANNING ABOUT CONSIDERING DOING, UH, ANOTHER ANALYSIS. YOU CAN INCLUDE THE FOUR YOU'VE ALREADY DONE. I, I I BELIEVE THAT THOSE, THE INFORMATION'S VALID. OKAY. AND WELL DONE. I'M JUST NOT SURE IT'S ENOUGH FOR, FOR AT LEAST ME, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE BOARD. I THINK THINK THEY SHARE THIS GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE HEARD. BUT THE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE WE GET EVERY TIME, NOT JUST FROM FROM MR. SIMON, BUT EVEN A LETTER TODAY, IF SOMEONE WAS UP IN NORWALK AND SAW 55 CARS, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME NOW. I KNOW THERE'S SOME REASONS OKAY WITH THE DOUBLE, THE DOUBLE AND DOUBLE VERSUS THE DOUBLE AND THE, AND AND THERE. BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY WOULD THIS CONFIGURATION AND THEN WORK OUT WITH MR. CANNING A REASONABLE AMOUNT THAT HE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, USING TO DO, DO AN ANALYSIS. AND IF IT COMES OUT THE WAY IT IS, I THINK WE'RE GREAT. OKAY. BUT I WANT TO, I I, TO ME THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE FACING US BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE BAD FOR YOU AND YOUR REPUTATION OR THE COMMUNITY. WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT MISTAKE EITHER. SO WE, THIS IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE GO ON? YEAH, YEAH. I, I, BECAUSE IN YOUR, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAVE 3000, UH, CH CHICK-FIL-A'S AROUND THE COUNTRY. I INDICATED TO YOU THAT WHEN I WAS IN CHARLOTTE, I SAW CHICK-FIL-A AND THE CARS BACKED UP INTO THE STREET. YOU INDICATED THAT, WELL THAT IS NOT THE, UH, THE CURRENT OR THE LATEST CONFIGURATION. THAT MIGHT NOT BE, BUT HERE AGAIN, I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID. OF THE 3000 UNITS THAT YOU HAVE AROUND THE COUNTRY, IS THE PROPOSED, THIS PROPOSED SITE UNIQUE IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE COUNTRY THAT BUILT IT THAT WAY. THAT'S MY QUESTION. IS THIS A UNIQUE CORP THAT YOU HAVE NO, OTHER [02:50:02] OF THE 3000 OTHER SITES, YOU HAVE NO OTHER SITES THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? AND IF YOU DO, THEN I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRPERSON, WE NEED TO GET A TRAFFIC, UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY ON A FACILITY THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. SEVERAL FACILITIES AT THIS ONE. YEAH. IF THEY'RE, IF THEY EXIST. SURE. SO FOR THE RECORD, CHARLES GOTTLIEB FROM THE LAW FIRM OF WHITEMAN OSTERMAN AND HANNAH IN ALBANY, NEW YORK, UM, HERE THIS EVENING WITH TIM FRY TAG CIVIL ENGINEER PHIL GREELEY, UH, FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING IS ON ZOOM. AND CLINT MATSON FROM, UH, CHICK-FIL-A. SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH AARON, UH, THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THIS, UM, THE INTENT OF PROVIDING THE SAMPLES THAT WE DID WHERE THOSE WERE NEW YORK LOCATIONS, THOSE WERE THE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE THIS NEW ROLLOUT OF THE FULL DUAL LANE DRIVE THROUGH WITH THE, UH, MEAL DELIVERY WINDOW AND THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND SO FORTH. WE CAN EXPAND THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE THAT IS. THAT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH DATA. BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, INTERNALLY WAS LOOKING AT THE NORTHEAST REGION, UH, FOR COMPARABLES. AND, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM TIM AND FROM CLINT, AND THEY CAN, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR STEP IN, IS THIS NEW DESIGN OF THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING WITH THE MEAL DELIVERY AND THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT ROLLOUT'S ABOUT THREE YEARS OLD. HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD A CHANCE YET TO LOOK AT THE, THE DATA. SO THAT'S, WE NEED TO KNOW. OKAY. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THAT, UM, SO WE WILL DO THAT. WE'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD. WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO MR. CANNING FOR HIS REVIEW AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANY OTHER BURNING COMMENT? 'CAUSE I'D LOVE TO GET TO THE PUBLIC. OH, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE OH, YEAH. UM, WE HAVE MR. DUANE ON, ON THE LINE WITH US. AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT A, UH, COPY OF A LETTER FROM THE WESTCHESTER, UH, PLANNING BOARD REGARDING, UM, THE, UH, CONTINUITY OF THIS WITH OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, GARRETT COULD, IF YOU'RE THERE, COULD YOU JUST JUST BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT, PLEASE SEE THERE, I SEE HIM. I SEE HIM ON, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM IF HE'S NOT AVAILABLE. OKAY. COULD YOU DO IT THEN, THEN AARON, FOR US PLEASE? SURE. THANK YOU. SURE. SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED 2016, UM, JUST, WELL, I'LL JUST CHECKED. I'M ON THE PHONE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, YES, WE CAN GARY. SO GARY, CAN YOU JUST GIVE A, CAN YOU GIVE A YES, I HEARD. I I, OKAY. I'M ON THE PHONE. SO I I I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, I HAD THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, BUT AS LONG AS YOU CAN HEAR ME THAT'S GREAT. YEP, GO AHEAD. UM, SO THANKS FOR THE TIME. THIS IS GARRETT DUANE, PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. UM, YES, I, I WAS, I WAS TASKED WITH, UH, REVIEWING THE COUNTY COMMENTS IN THE CONTEXT THAT THE COUNTY, UM, REVIEWED OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND THE COUNTY IN SHORT, UM, IS OF THE OPINION THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS, IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE VISION LAID OUT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE GREEN GREENBURG GATEWAY PLANNING AREA. UM, AND THEY MADE THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, ASSERTION BASED ON, UH, THE FACT THAT THE SITE IS, UM, WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE WHITE PLAINS TRAIN STATION AND A LOT OF MASS TRANSIT OPTIONS, THE, UM, BRONX RIVER PATHWAY. AND IN SHORT, I, I GET THE SENSE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF A MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, PERHAPS MIXED USE WITH A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. AND I DO THINK THAT'S GOOD PLANNING RATIONALE. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DIDN'T EXACTLY, UM, LAY OUT THAT TYPE OF VISION. UH, THE COMP PLAN DOES IDENTIFY, UM, THIS AREA IS A SPECIAL PLANNING AREA IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG BY VIRTUE OF IT BEING A GATEWAY OR ENTRANCE FROM THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS. UM, IT DIFFERED A LITTLE BIT THOUGH AND ENVISIONED A MIX OF, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS TYPE OF, UM, PROJECT A HIGH VOLUME FAST FOOD, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS WHAT WAS ENVISIONED AS PART OF THE GREENBERG GATEWAY PLANNING AREA. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT PROVIDED SOME SORT OF DIRECTIVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE A CODE CHANGE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE FAST FOOD FROM THE DSS OR DSS IN, IN THIS PORTION OF THE TOWN. SO IN SHORT, WHILE, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT PROBABLY THE HIGHEST BEST USE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE VISION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD'S DOING WHAT IT SHOULD DO, WHICH IS DO A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HONOR YOUR OBLIGATION TO, UM, REVIEW THE [02:55:01] PROJECT, GATHER INFORMATION LIKE YOU ARE, ARE ASK GOOD QUESTIONS AND PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE THIS SPECIAL PERMIT TO THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. OKAY. SO, SO I MEAN, JUST QUICKLY TO SUMMARIZE IT, REALLY, THE KEY THING IS THAT, THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOMMEND A ZONING CHANGE AT THE TIME THE COMP PLAN WAS DONE. UH, LIKE THERE WAS FOR THE UR ZONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THIS CHANGE WASN'T CONTEMPLATED EVEN THOUGH THE OPTIMAL USE, YOU KNOW, OR THE VISION WAS AS BEING, UH, MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AT SOME POINT RESIDENTIAL, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL. I'M SORRY, MIXED USE NON-RESIDENTIAL. 'CAUSE THAT WAS BEFORE COVID. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BUILD AN OFFICE BUILDING THESE DAYS. I DON'T THINK TOO MANY. SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD SUMMARIZATION ON THE END THERE. UH, CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ. AND, AND I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT, UM, POST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF CHANGES TO THE DSS DISTRICT. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, AS PART OF THOSE CHANGES, USES WERE ADDED TO THE DSS DISTRICT. BUT, UH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY, UM, FAST FOOD, QUICK SERVICE WAS NOT ELIMINATED RIGHT. AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MR. DUANE, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC. HOW MANY COULD PEOPLE RAISE THEIR HAND AND, AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO TALK? OKAY. WE'LL, TOM, YOU, DO YOU WANNA LEAD, LEAD, LEAD OFF? DOES THE, DOES THE BOARD WANT A QUICK RUN THROUGH THE SITE PLAN FROM TIM? OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT FOR, FOR EVERYBODY? I'M SORRY. DID ASK YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH. MY, MY BAD. GO AHEAD. THREE HOURS OF TOAST . GOOD EVENING. I, I CAN KEEP IT QUICK AND SHORT. UM, TIM FRY TAG WITH BOWLER ENGINEERING. JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE REVIEW REVIEWING HERE. IT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT OF A FORMER COMMERCIAL, UH, USE. THE, UH, APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER 80,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE, UH, WAS FORMERLY OCCUPIED WITH A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL FACILITY, FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY CVS. IT'S CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY SITTING VACANT, UH, WITH THE BUILDING AND THE REST OF THE LOT REALLY COVERED IN PARKING LOT AND DRIVEWAYS ACCESSORY TO THAT USE. UH, TODAY THE LOT IS COVERED IN 85% IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. SO NOT A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, 85% LOT COVERAGE, UM, AND THE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT. SO THE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT ARE REALLY EXTENDED ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE PROPERTY LINES. SO IN A, IN A FEW LOCATIONS, THERE'S ZERO FOOT SET BACK, UH, TO THE BUILDING, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINES UP ALONG, UH, THE ROADS. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND IMPROVE THE SITE, REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH A 5,000 PLUS OR MINUS A SQUARE FOOT QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT WITH DUAL DRIVE THROUGH ANCILLARY TO THE RESTAURANT AND DRIVE THROUGH. THERE WILL BE A SMALL OUTDOOR PATIO AND, UM, PARKING LOT. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS SITE IS THERE'S ACTUALLY A JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS. UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING DRIVE THROUGH AND PARKING LOT ON THE, UH, WAS IT THE NORTH OR OR PLAN LEFT WEST, UH, OF THE BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE. THANK YOU. WEST, YEAH. IS THE PARKING LOT ALL WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDE IN THE EASTERN CORNER IS THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS. THAT WOULD BE JUST, UH, A SERVICE LOT PARKING LOT FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A, UH, TEAM MEMBER USE. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE IMPROVEMENTS WITH PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UH, OUT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, AND THEN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS TO OLD KENCO ROAD. UH, OLD KENCO ROAD IS PROPOSED TO BE WIDENED. UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE IS, UM, PROPOSED TO BE FIXED. IT'S CURRENTLY NOT FUNCTIONING AT ITS, UH, OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO FIX THAT AND UPDATE IT WITH CURRENT, UH, STANDARDS TO MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS, UH, WITH TRAFFIC CONCERNS FOR THIS SITE, A LITTLE ABOUT THE APPLICANT. WHO IS CHICK-FIL-A AND WHAT ARE THE OPERATIONS PROPOSED HERE? SO IT IS A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT. THEY HAVE A TWO-LANE DRIVE-THROUGH THIS DRIVE-THROUGH. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TYPICAL OR TRADITIONAL DRIVE-THROUGH. IT'LL BE TWO LANES ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT CHICK-FIL-A USES TEAM MEMBERS, UH, TO EXPEDITE SERVICE IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH. THEY WILL BE OUT IN THE DRIVE-THRU WITH, UH, TABLETS AND MENUS, HELPING EXPEDITE ORDERS, UH, TAKING YOUR ORDER UNDERNEATH, UH, A COVERED PATIO OR A COVERED, UH, CANOPY THAT'S PROPOSED WITHIN THE DRIVE-THRU. AFTER YOU TAKE YOUR ORDER, YOU'LL PROCEED THROUGH, UH, PULLING FORWARD [03:00:01] THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU TO THE MEAL DELIVERY AREA. TYPICALLY, THIS WAS WHERE YOUR DRIVE-THRU WINDOW IS, BUT HERE OR THE DRIVE-THRU, UH, YEAH. BUT HERE THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW IS ACTUALLY A DOOR. SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS, UH, CHICK-FIL-A TO DO IS SERVICE TWO LANES OF DRIVE THROUGH FOR MEAL FULFILLMENT. IT'S NOT JUST THE INNER LANE THAT'S REACHING THROUGH THE WINDOW TO GRAB THEIR MEAL. TEAM MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY HANDING, UH, THE MEALS OUT TO BOTH L BOTH LANES. UH, THIS IS OPTIMAL IN MAXIMIZING THE STACKING CAPACITY IN BOTH LANES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE EFFICIENCY OF ALTERNATING MEAL DELIVERIES, HELPING, UM, SPEED OF SERVICE. THE SITE PLAN DESIGN, UH, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL TRADITIONAL QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT AS WELL. UH, THE TRADITIONAL STYLE I REFER TO IS OFTENTIMES YOU SEE THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, THE DRIVE THROUGH WRAPS AROUND THE BUILDING, AND THEN PARKING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. THIS IS MORE OF AN ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGH LAYOUT, ISOLATES THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND THE CIRCULATION OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH ACTIVITY FROM AS MUCH OF THE PARKING AS POSSIBLE. COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE, UH, YOU CAN CIRCULATE THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, ENTER THE DRIVE-THRU, EXIT THE AND LEAVE WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO CROSS, UM, PEDESTRIANS POTENTIALLY WALKING INTO THE STORE FROM THE MIDDLE PARKING, UH, ISLANDS. THAT IS A, UH, SAFETY FEATURE THAT'S DEPLOYED WITH THIS SITE PLAN LAYOUT. ANY GUESTS GOING INTO DINE IN CAN PARK IN THOSE, UH, PARKING SPACES, ENTER THE BUILDING, GRAB THEIR MEAL LEAVE WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THAT DRIVE THROUGH. TRAFFIC OPERATIONS OF THE STORE ARE 6:30 AM TO 10:00 PM TYPICALLY MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. IT'S NOT A 24 HOUR OPERATION AND IS CLOSED ON SUNDAYS. IT'LL BE RUN BY A LOCAL OPERATOR WHO WILL LIVE, UH, LOCALLY. AND THIS WILL BE THEIR, THEIR SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP OR THEIR JOB. THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO BE ON SITE AS A LOCAL REP, AS A LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STORE. AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY'LL HIRE OVER A HUNDRED TEAM MEMBERS, UH, AT THIS SINGLE LOCATION. AND CHICK-FIL-A REALLY CARES ABOUT THEIR FACILITIES, THEIR TEAM MEMBERS, THE GUESTS THEY SERVE, UM, BUT ALSO THE CLEANLINESS OF THEIR SITES WOULD CERTAINLY INVITE ANYBODY TO ANOTHER FACILITY TO GO CHECK IT OUT AND EXPERIENCE THAT FOR THEMSELVES OF THE CLEANLINESS OF THE BUILDING AND, UH, THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE AS WELL. COULD YOU JUST TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THI THE THINGS? SURE. UM, ONE I THINK THEY NEED, UH, THE PUBLIC WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH OVERFLOW. THAT'S ONE THING. SECOND, I THINK THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT TURNING THE, THE FACT ABOUT THE LEFT TURN OUT INTO CONSECO ROAD. ALSO ENCOURAGING A RIGHT TURN ONTO, UH, UP TO COUNTY CENTER ROAD TO GO WEST ON ONE 19. COULD COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT SO THAT YOU ALSO ADDING THE LEFT TURN LANE ON, ON THE PENS CODE, RIGHT. DADDY MENTIONED SURE. IT SAID WIDENED. I DON'T KNOW IF HE MENTIONED YEAH, THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE. RIGHT. BUT COULD YOU GO THROUGH THAT, THOSE THINGS, THE SURE. TRAFFIC. I THINK PHIL MIGHT BE ON THE ZOOM. YES. YES. MAYBE I'LL TURN OVER SOME OF THOSE TRAFFIC RELATED QUESTIONS. THOSE ARE REALLY, I, PHIL, IS SO IMPORTANT IN, IN WHAT WHAT ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND PHIL CAN MAYBE HIT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE FOR TRAFFIC. 'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A REALLY HARD LOOK AT THIS TO GET TO THIS POINT. RIGHT. UM, SO JUST MAYBE A QUICK BRIEF SUMMARY OF, OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. UM, BUT THEN HE CAN HIT ON THOSE, UH, KEY POINTS. I APPRECIATE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED NOW. I THINK THEY GOT A, I THINK THE AUDIENCE AUDIENCES, I THINK, NOT MY, NOT AHEAD IF I'M RIGHT, HAS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS. THESE ARE, THESE ARE OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT ARE CRITICAL TO THAT COMMUNITY THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW, KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE. I BELIEVE SO. SURE. YEAH. PHIL, COULD YOU JUST GO OVER THOSE THINGS FOR US PLEASE? AB ABSOLUTELY. UH, PHILIP, REALLY FROM COS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, UH, WE HAVE PREPARED DETAILED TRAFFIC STUDIES, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN, UH, WITH NEW YORK STATE, DOT, AND THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS. AND WE'VE BEEN REFINING THOSE AND UPDATING THOSE. BUT SOME OF THE OTHER HIGHLIGHTS, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE WIDENING ON OLD KENSICO ROAD, UH, TO CREATE AN ADDITIONAL APPROACH LANE TO TARRYTOWN ROAD, WE ARE SHIFTING, UH, THOSE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO OLD KENSICO ROAD. IT CURRENTLY HAS A RE, UH, RESTRICTION, NO LEFT TURNS EXITING FROM THAT DRIVEWAY. WE ARE SHIFTING THAT DRIVEWAY ONTO THIS NEW PLAN FURTHER NORTH AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION TO PROVIDE MORE STACKING DISTANCE. AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO, TO, UH, SUBJECT TO TOWN APPROVAL. OF COURSE, UH, UH, REMOVE THAT LEFT TURN EXIT RESTRICTION, UH, [03:05:01] SO THAT VEHICLES CAN EXIT AND APPROACH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. UH, WE DID ACCOUNT FOR THE RE OCCUPANCY OF THE FORMER ERNESTO'S RESTAURANT. UH, WE INCLUDED GROWTH, UH, AT THE DIRECTION OF YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT. WE'VE DONE SOME SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS WITH HIGHER BACKGROUND GROWTH AND, AND THOSE RELATED ITEMS. OKAY. PHIL, TO TOUCH ON DRIVEWAY? YEAH, I WANNA FOCUS, I WANNA JUST FOCUS ON, ON THE, THE TRAFFIC STUFF RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THE, THE FLOW FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY, PLEASE. SO ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD, UH, WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY. UH, IT, THE DIRECTION, AS YOU COME OUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA AND YOU COME TO THAT NEW DRIVEWAY ONTO COUNTY CENTER ROAD, IT WILL ALLOW TRAFFIC TO TURN IN EITHER DIRECTION. BUT THE, THE PRIORITY DIRECTION WILL BE TO TURN RIGHT AND HEAD BACK TOWARDS ROUTE ONE 19. IT GIVES AN EASY MANEUVER TO GET ONTO ONE 19, UH, TARRYTOWN ROAD HEADING WESTBOUND. AND IT ALSO WOULD HELP, UH, LIGHTEN SOME OF THE LOAD. UH, AT THE OLD SCO ROAD DRIVEWAY. AS TIM INDICATED, WE HAVE A DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANE. THROUGH THIS SITE. WE HAVE STACKING FOR 33 VEHICLES IN THE AREA, SHOWN ON THIS PLAN THAT'S IN THAT WHITE AREA. UH, IN WORKING WITH THE TOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE OTHER STUDIES WE LOOKED AT ON STACKING AND PEAK TIMES AND WHAT WE REFER TO AS A GRAND OPENING PLAN, WE CREATED AN ADDITIONAL PLAN, UH, WITH ONE WAY CIRCULATION ON THE WESTERLY MOST DRIVE AISLE. HERE, YOU SEE IT ALONG THAT AREA, WE PROVIDE STACKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 14 VEHICLES, UH, IN, IN THIS DIAGRAM, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL SIX IF WE EVER HAD TO. NOW, THE WAY THAT THIS GETS IMPLEMENTED IS, UH, THE TEAM MEMBERS AT THE STORE AND WE'VE DEVELOPED, AND WE WILL BE REFINING A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. BASICALLY, IT, IT STARTS AS THE GRAND OPENING PLAN, HOW, UH, THE TEAM MEMBERS CONTROL TRAFFIC. IF A QUEUE DEVELOPS TO A CERTAIN POINT, THEY START IMPLEMENTING, UH, PLACEMENT OF CONES TO CREATE THE ADDITIONAL AREA FOR STACKING. SO ON THIS PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, AS THEY SAID, WE HAVE 33 PLUS 14, WE'RE UP TO TO 47. AND THEN IF WE REALLY GOT PEAKED, WE COULD ADD ANOTHER SIX, UH, IN THIS AREA. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER STACKING ON THE SITE WHERE WE WOULDN'T BACK UP OUT ONTO THE ROAD ONTO THIS PLAN. AS YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, UH, THERE'S STACKING RIGHT, UH, FOR ALMOST 60 VEHICLES ON THIS PLAN. UH, IT WOULD BE, UH, AGAIN, THE TEAM MEMBERS THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT IT. IT, IT'S SPELLED OUT AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT PLAN WORKING WITH YOUR CONSULTANT. UH, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE. CHICK-FIL-A HAS LEARNED A LOT OVER THE YEARS. UH, THIS, UH, AS TIM INDICATED, THE, UH, THE DUAL LANE AROUND THE ENTIRE, UH, PORTION OF THE STACKING AREA, UH, WAS JUST ROLLED OUT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ON, UH, ELIMINATING PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD WITH THE MORE TRADITIONAL LAYOUT WITH A SINGLE PICKUP WINDOW AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UH, I THINK THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS. AGAIN, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE, UH, WHEN THESE FACILITIES OPEN UP. YOU GET THAT, UH, INITIAL GRAND OPENING EFFECT. UH, BUT IF IT HAS TO BE KEPT LONGER AND IT'S IN A PLAN THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED VERY EASILY, THE WAY THAT THIS PLAN HAS BEEN REFINED IN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE PLAYING BOARD INPUT AND THEIR CONSULTANT IS WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, UH, TAKE WHAT WOULD BE PARKING SPACES ALONG THE WESTERN PORTION OF THIS SITE AND CONVERT THEM INTO STACKING AREA AT THOSE TIMES WHEN THE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, PEAKS OUT. SO I THINK THOSE WERE THE KEY POINTS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TOUCH? NO, I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE, UP TO THE PUBLIC NOW IF WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY. UH, MR. BOCK, YOU WANNA COME UP? THANKS YOU. TOM BOCK, BOCK, FULTON PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION. UM, I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS BECAUSE I SAT THROUGH THE OTHER, UM, ISSUES THAT, THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED. ONE IS WALTER BROUGHT UP FLOODING FROM THE, UH, GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME PICTURES. [03:10:02] I GIVE 'EM TO AARON. AARON AND, OOPS, DON'T KNOCK DOWN HIS NAME TAG. I CAN JUST SHARE THEM. SO THIS IS THE LAST STORM. AND THE REASON I BROUGHT IT IS SOMEONE SAID TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS ACCURATE, THAT THIS SITE IS GONNA BE RAISED FROM WHAT IT IS. NOW, IF THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US WITH RUNOFF, BUT WITH THE IMPERVIOUS SPACE FACTOR, IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. UM, I ALSO LISTENED TO ERNIE, UM, AND HIS SON TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING. I, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY CARE IF THEY EXPAND OR NOT. HE'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT. UH, HE'S PROVEN THAT SINCE WHAT, 2000? IT DEPENDS WHAT GOES IN THERE, BUT WELL, WE KNOW WHAT THE TRACK RECORD IS TOO. YEAH, YEAH. . SO, AND, AND I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BEFORE . SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN THOUGH, WITH THAT PROPERTY IS THE RIGHT HAND TURN COMING OUT AND THE FACT THAT COMING OUT OF ERNESTO'S YEAH. RIGHT HAND TURN COMING OUT. YES. 'CAUSE BECAUSE THE, UH, CARS ARE ALL LINED UP IN FRONT OF YOU OR COMING OUT OF HIS, UH, CIRCLE DRIVE OR JUST IF YOU'RE PARKING BACK OUT. OH, IF HE, IF HE OKAY. COME GONNA COME OUT EXIT. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A RIGHT ONTO OLD KENSICO. RIGHT. SO LET'S JUST ASSUME THE LIGHT IS RED, WHICH WE KNOW IT'S ALWAYS RED, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE FIXED . YEAH. SO THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND BE STUCK. THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CHICK-FIL-A COMING OUT. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NEVER GONNA SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY. SO TO THAT, I BROUGHT YOU ANOTHER SET OF PICTURES. WHILE YOU'RE HANDING THE PICTURES. CURRENTLY, YOU CAN GO INTO NESTOS PARKING LOT FROM OLD KENSICO. YEAH. AND THEN COME OUT ONTO TARRYTOWN. NO, HE ONLY HAS ACCESS AND EGRESS THROUGH OLD KENCO. AND YOU'RE SAYING ONCE I COME OUT, MAKE A RIGHT ROUNDABOUT, THIS IS SOUTH. SO I'M SHOWING YOU PHOTOS THAT I'VE TAKEN. I CAN GO, YOU PICK A YEAR AND I CAN GIVE YOU PHOTOS 'CAUSE I HAVE THEM. BUT I'M GIVING YOU PHOTOS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE TWO DIFFERENT TIMES A DAY. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE IS AN EVENT AT THE COUNTY CENTER. THE OTHER IS THE FLOODING ON THE BRONX RIVER, WHICH LEADS BACK TO THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY NEEDING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SOLUTION FOR WATER RUNOFF BECAUSE IT'S ALL GONNA GO TO THE BRONX RIVER, WHICH MEANS IT'S ALL GONNA COME INTO OUR BACKYARDS AND OUR BASEMENTS. SO THE PICTURES I GAVE YOU OF THE FLOODING ARE OF THREE OF OUR BACKYARDS. AND THE ONE THAT HAS THE WHITE FENCE ON IT. AND I WROTE SEVEN FEET. THAT'S STEPHANIE'S FENCE. AND THAT, THAT WATER WAS THIS HIGH AND, AND IT WAS IN OUR BASEMENTS AS WELL. I BELIEVE IT. THAT , I HAD TROUBLE GETTING HOME THAT DAY. AND, AND WHAT I'VE TOLD PAUL IS THAT THIS IS, UH, IT'S THE NEGLECTED NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S A DISPOSABLE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE'VE LIVED THROUGH, I WATCHED GROUND ROUND BURN. I WATCHED CONRAN'S GO OUTTA BUSINESS. I WATCHED COMP SA GO OUT BUSINESS. I WATCHED STAPLES GO OUTTA BUSINESS AND NOW CVS AND IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DOOR NUMBER FIVE. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. IT'S, SO MY ISSUE HERE IS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS PLAN VIOLATES COMMON SENSE. 120 PARKING SPACES, 30 TO 50 CAR STACKED. LOOK AT OLD KENSICO ROAD WITH THE CARS. IT'S NOT 50 CARS, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SUBJECTING US TO EVERY TIME WE TRY AND EITHER LEAVE OUR HOMES TO GO TO WORK OR WHATEVER AND COME HOME. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE CLOSED ON SUNDAY AND THAT THEY, THEY PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION AND ALL. THAT'S GREAT. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS LANDLOCKED ALMOST AS IF WE HAD A TWO LITER SODA BOTTLE. AND YOU GET TO THE NOZZLE OR THE, THE SPOUT AND YOU CAN ONLY GET SO MUCH SODA OUT. IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR ONLY EGRESS KENCO? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. IS IT YOUR ONLY EGRESS? REALLY? SO THAT COUNTY CENTER ROAD, BUT NOBODY GOES THAT WAY 'CAUSE IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND. YEAH. AND IT, IT'S NOW, AND AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. THESE GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR 120 PARKING SPACES. THEY'RE COUNTING ON, UH, PARKING SPACES [03:15:01] ON THE ROAD. WELL, THEY CAN'T DO IT WITH THE LOT. YEAH, IT'S ON THE LOT. OH, NO, NO. YOU CAN DRAW IT ON THE LOT. BUT REALITY OF THE DRIVERS IN NEW YORK DON'T ALLOW FOR THAT TO WORK. THAT'S THE COMMON SENSE PART. WELL, THE THE THING YOU, ONE THING I I DO WANNA MENTION HERE IS MY GUESS IS THEIR EMPLOYEE PARKING IS GONNA BE UNDER PARKED. OKAY. IN THE BACK. I I COULD, THERE'LL BE A TIME DURING THE DAY WHERE THERE'S A SHIFT CHANGE WHERE, WHERE IT MAY BE FULL, THE FRONT. JUST REMEMBER ONE THING WITH THIS, AND TO ME, THE THING I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAN YOU ARE IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH THAN I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PARKING, THE, THE PARKING. BECAUSE SE THE STATISTIC SHOWS 70%, 70% OF THE, THEIR BUSINESS IS THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. THAT'S THEIR MODEL. WELL, ALONG I, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT ALONG WITH WHAT WALTER SAID IN, IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHERE HE ASKED ABOUT SOMEPLACE DOWN SOUTH, I THINK IT WAS CHARLOTTE. CHARLOTTE, YEP. I'VE BEEN TO THE CHICK-FIL-A AT, WELL NOT DIRECTLY, BUT I, I'VE DRIVEN PAST THE ONE IN, I THINK IT'S ANNE NORWALK NOR NORWALK ONE. YEP. AND THE ENTIRE LOT WAS FULL. YEP. IT OVERFLOWED ONTO THE LOCAL ROADS. AND WE ARE THE LOCAL ROADS. IT'S SINGLE LANE ON EITHER DIRECTION. YOU CAN SEE ON THE PHOTO THAT SOME OF THE, THERE ARE SOME CARS PASSING THE OTHER CARS THERE. MM-HMM. . SO WE HAVE, IT'S FUNNY, WHEN I MOVED INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD 35 YEARS AGO WITH MY WIFE, WE WERE THE YOUNG COUPLE. NOW WE'RE THE OLD FARTS . THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. AND THESE ARE THE YOUNG, THE YOUNG COUPLES, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEIR KIDS ARE AT RISK WITH THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPEEDING WE HAVE. AND WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SPEEDING, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THE, THE, THE STACKED CARS ON OLD KENSICO, WE CAN'T GET OUT, BUT CARS ARE DRIVING AROUND AND I ACTUALLY HAD A CAR COME UP ONTO MY FRONT LAWN. LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE THE PICTURES YOU JUST SHOWED US, THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, I'M GETTING MY MY NORTH OF, OF THE CIRCLE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THOSE PICTURES. WELL, AND, AND SOME OF 'EM ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE CIRCLE AT THE END. OKAY. SO I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS THAT THE BA THEY MAY BE, I CAN'T TELL THEM IF THERE'S BACKED UP ALL, ALL THE WAY TO THE LIGHT. HERE'S MY QUESTION THOUGH, WAS, WAS THAT TAKEN RIGHT AFTER A COUNTY CENTER EVENT? EITHER, UH, A AFTER OR DURING, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, COULD ALSO BE LEADING UP TO ALL I I GO OUTSIDE AND I SEE ALL THESE CARS. I PICTURE THE PICTURE. I UNDERSTAND PICTURES THE PROBLEM. PARTICULARLY FILMING OF ONE EGRESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. AND I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS, I WAS WONDERING WHICH ONES WERE COUNTY CENTER AND WHICH ONES WERE JUST MORNING RUSH HOUR AT THAT FOREVER RED LIGHT WHEN ERNIE WAS ACTUALLY OPEN AND , YOU KNOW, AND HE HAD THE DELI TRUCKS WOULD PARK, YOU KNOW, PHONE COMPANY TRUCKS WOULD PARK ALONG ON OLD KENSICO AND BLOCK OLD KENSICO. SO WE COULDN'T GET OUT EASILY BECAUSE OF THAT. THEN WHEN HE, UH, LET'S JUST SAY TOOK A SABBATICAL, IT GOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR US BECAUSE THE, UH, THE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY DID AWAY WITH THE 15 MINUTE PARKING ON THE SIDE. RIGHT. WHICH HELPED. BUT THE REASON I SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE DISPOSABLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BECAUSE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE GET HIT WITH SOMETHING. OKAY. IT'S BEEN, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ERNIE SINCE WHAT, 2009? I THINK WE GET THE MESSAGE. ALRIGHT, SO CAN I MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK OTHER POINTS? SURE, PLEASE. ALRIGHT. SO THE, THE WATER ASPECT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT NESTOS ADDING TABLES ISN'T GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH THE TRA, BUT, BUT HIS TRAFFIC WILL ADD AND COMPOUND IT. SO THE REAL ISSUE WITH, WITH ALL THESE DRIVE-THROUGHS IS WHERE ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THESE PEOPLE GO IF THEY CAN COME OUT TO OLD KENSICO, WE'RE SCREWED. IF YOU CAN HAVE 'EM GO OUT COUNTY CENTER TO ONE 19 OVER BY THE COUNTY CENTER, THAT ALLEVIATES SOME OF OUR GETTING IN AND OUT. BUT IT'S STILL JUST BASICALLY PUSHING THAT TRAFFIC AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE. UM, THE COUNTY CENTER EVENTS, BRONX RIVER FLOODING ACCIDENTS ON THE TAPAN Z ACTUALLY BACK UP ALL THE WAY BECAUSE ONE 19. YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S RIDICULOUS. AND AS YOU, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M A VOLUNTEER IN ELMSFORD FIRE, SO FOR ME TO GET OUT TO RESPOND TO A SCENE IS DIFFICULT. YOU KNOW, WHEN TRAFFIC IS, WHICH IT'S LIKE BEING IN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC EVERY DAY. BUT THIS VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE IT REQUIRES TOO MANY VARIANCES TO TRY AND MAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY WORK THAT ISN'T REALLY DESIGNED FOR WHAT THEY'RE [03:20:01] LOOKING TO DO. SO SOMEBODY SAID THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS AD RATING WHEN WEST TAB WENT IN, IT WAS AN F RATING. IT HASN'T GOTTEN BETTER SINCE THEN. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COMES UP D WHEN IT WAS ALWAYS F THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MADELINE MADELON, OSHA, I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF GREENBURG CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. BUT I WANNA SPEAK FOR TWO SECONDS ON A, JUST ME. THE ONLY CHICK-FIL-A'S I KNOW ARE IN FLORIDA ON THE WEST COAST. AND ONE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE OLDER ONES. THE OTHER IS A RELATIVELY NEW ONE IN A SHOPPING CENTER. TAMPA AND LUTZ, FLORIDA. AND THE TAMPA, THE TAMPA ONE HAS CARS LINED UP. IT'S AT THE TOP OF A SHOPPING CENTER LINED UP ONTO WHAT'S CALLED A HIGHWAY. IT'S THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION. IT, YOU CAN GO 50 TO 60 MILES AN HOUR. THEY'RE LINED UP AND THEY TAKE ONE WHOLE LANE. AND IT IS DUAL TRAFFIC LANES GOING INTO THE RESTAURANT. LOOTS IS A LITTLE BETTER. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A SHOPPING CENTER, BUT YOU CAN'T BACK A CAR OUT IF THE CARS ARE GOING TWO LINES AROUND AND TRYING TO GET OUT AND TO GO TO ANOTHER SECTION OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. THEY'RE NIGHTMARES. THAT'S FROM ME. FROM ME. THIS IS FROM THE COUNCIL OF GREENBERG CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. OKAY. CASE 2207 IS RAISING MORE SERIOUS CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ANSWERED HERE. THE COUNCIL OF GREENBERG CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS IS DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT TWO EATERIES ARE BEING CONSIDERED DIRECTLY ACROSS A NARROW RESIDENTIAL STREET FROM EACH OTHER. INTERESTING THAT EACH EATERY KNEW BETTER THAN TO ASK STATE DOT FOR ENTRANCES AND EXITS ONTO ROUTE ONE 19. YET IT IS APPARENTLY NOT A PROBLEM TO USE A RESIDENTIAL STREET ENTRANCE TO A SELF-CONTAINED NEIGHBORHOOD. A STREET, WHICH IS THE, TO ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THE FULTON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT FOR AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR TWO EATERIES. ONE OF THOSE HAS A REPUTATION FOR A HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME. WHERE ARE THE PLANS TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAINST CARS CRUISING THE STREETS TO FIND A FASTER WAY OUT? WHERE ARE THE PLANS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES EMS SCHOOL BUSES TO ACCESS AND EGRESS THE AREA PEOPLE LIVE IN FULTON PARK. THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE PRISONERS IN THEIR OWN HOMES. CGCA WOULD APPRECIATE PLANNING BOARD SAUCE, ANSWERS OR EXPLANATIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING. HOW DOES THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION CATEGORIZE SMASH BURGER? WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DISTANCE FROM THE CHICK-FIL-A PROPERTY LINE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE SMASHBURGER IS A TENANT. 2000 FEET. I THINK IT'S, DOES THE 2000 FOOT DISTANCE APPLY? NO LESS? HAS THE WHITE PLAINS PLANNING BOARD INTERACTED WITH THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD TO THE MUTUAL BENEFIT OF BOTH MUNICIPALITIES REGARDING THE CHICK-FIL-A APPLICATION WHERE IS WRITTEN PROOF THAT WHITE PLAINS, WHICH APPARENTLY CONTROLS THE TIMING OF THE ROUTE ONE 19 OLD KENKO ROAD LIGHT, WILL ALLOW GREATER TIME FOR CARS LEAVING FULTON PARK. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHY IS IT FELT THAT A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF THE CHICK PARKING LOT ONTO OLD KENKO ROAD WON'T CREATE A BOTTLENECK? IF CARS CANNOT MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF CHICK-FIL-A A RIGHT TURN WILL PUT THE CARS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AROUND THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND OUT. IS THIS THE WAY TO TREAT A NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT IS THE PLAN TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF A LEFT TURN OUT WE'RE PERMITTED, BUT NO ONE [03:25:01] ONLINE GIVES WAY TO CARS ATTEMPTING TO LEAVE THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY? WHAT TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN WILL BE IN PLACE WHEN NESTERS OPENS ITS RESTAURANT WITH A PARKING VARIANCE DIRECTLY ACROSS OLD KENSICO ROAD IN ANOTHER TIME? DELHI DELICIOUS PARKED OR PATRONS PARKED AT CVS AND STAPLES? IF CHICK-FIL-A BECAME A SIT DOWN ESTABLISHMENT AS IS BEING PROPOSED AT THE SOUTH END OF TOWN, WHAT WOULD THE TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS BE? WOULD THAT RELIEVE THE DEEP CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. ONE MUST ALSO ASK WHETHER THE SITE 1.7 ACRES IS TOO SMALL FOR A CHICK-FIL-A THE NEED FOR 12 VARIANCES TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PROJECT IS OUTRAGEOUS. THE CHICK-FIL-A APPLICATION CANNOT BE STUDIED IN ISOLATION. IT'S OFF A STATE ROAD WHOSE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS CONTROLLED BY A NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITY. IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET FROM A NOW CLOSED DELI, WHICH HAS A PENDING APPLICATION TO REOPEN BEFORE THIS PLANNING BOARD. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS CAREFUL, THOUGHTFUL STUDY. THE APPLICATION IS SHROUDED IN FOG. TOO MANY POINTS REMAIN UNANSWERED. THE IMPACT TWO RESTAURANTS WITHIN A STONE'S THROW OF EACH OTHER MUST BE CLEARLY STUDIED. THE TWO APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE STUDIED TOGETHER, NOT THE ONE WHO APPLIED FIRST. GOES FIRST. THE COUNCIL OF GREENBURG CIVIC ASSOCIATION STRONGLY URGES THE PLANNING BOARD TO SLOWLY AND THOROUGHLY STUDY BOTH APPLICATIONS. TAKE AS LONG AS NECESSARY TO ALLEVIATE OR MITIGATE FULTON PARK'S CONCERNS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? YOUNG LADY UP THERE? DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. WELL, UM, JUST A TIME CHECK GUYS. IT'S 20 OF 10. AARON? YES. IT'S 2010. I PROPOSE WE GO TO 10 15 GIVEN WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE IF WE NEED TO. IF WE NEED TO TONIGHT. OKAY. IF WE NEED TO, YEAH. OKAY. AGREE. OKAY. I'M A RESIDENT MARGARET AT OLD KENSICO ROAD. GIVE YOUR NAME AND NAME PLEASE. MARGARET FROM OLD KENSICO ROAD. I THINK I LIVE ON THE CORNER. 2 52 OLD KENSICO ROAD. YOUR FULL NAME, YOUR FULL NAME PLEASE. MARGARET BROOMFIELD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PROPERTY OWNER PAY MY TAXES. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE ISSUES WHEN THERE'S A COUNTY CENTER EVENT, WHEN THERE'S FLOODING. CHRISTMAS, THANKSGIVING IS COMING. I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT. IT'S GONNA TAKE ME 15 MINUTES TO GET ACROSS THAT LINE. ONE FIVE OR 5 0 1 5. OKAY. RIGHT. NOT SAYING THAT'S GOOD. I WAS JUST CLARIFYING. SO FROM THANKSGIVING ON, IT'S A NIGHTMARE GETTING IN AND OUT. THE OTHER MORNING I WAS LATE FOR WORK BECAUSE I COULDN'T BACK OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING ON THE TAP. AND THE, AND ALL THE TRAFFIC CAME ON OLD KENSICO ROAD. NOW IF ERNESTO'S OPENS AGAIN AND CHICK-FIL-A COMES, WHAT HAPPENS? ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS TO MY PROPERTY VALUE? WHO'S GONNA WANNA BUY A HOUSE WHEN THEY COME OUT IN THE MORNING AND THEY'RE GONNA SMELL CHICK-FIL-A THE POLLUTION, THE GARBAGE. WHERE IN THE WETLANDS, IF I WANNA DO SOMETHING TO MY HOUSE, I HAVE A TON OF REGULATION THAT I HAVE TO FOLLOW. NOW WITH THE WETLANDS, YOU HAVE FIELD MICE. NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT A BIG FOOD, FOOD ESTABLISHMENT. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? THE NEIGHBORING THEIR PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. 10 COUNTY CENTER ROAD. THEY HAVE TONS OF PARKING, THEY HAVE WATER JUST LIKE I DO IN THEIR BACK. THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THESE MIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS MITIGATING. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH THE FLOODING, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT WE NEED HELP WITH. THE ROAD IS LITERALLY AT SOME POINT GONNA COLLAPSE. AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN ALL THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC AND DEMAND ON THESE STREETS THAT CAN'T MANAGE THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE. NOW IT'S, IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE TO, IF THIS GOES THROUGH IT, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE. WE HAVE KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL. SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE EXTRA PEOPLE THAT DON'T [03:30:01] LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN GREENBURG HAS A TON OF OTHER SPACES, COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT ARE BETTER SUITED TO SUCH AN ESTABLISHMENT WHERE YOU HAVE BETTER FLOW TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE IS THIS PUSH FOR THIS SMALL LOT TO HOUSE, THIS COMMERCIAL EATER, THIS EATERY. THERE'S NEVER BEEN A FOOD PLACE THERE. WE HAD AN ERNESTO THAT CAUSED PROBLEM, AS THEY SAID WITH THE PARKING ON THE STREET. WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT OF THAT OLD CVS LOT, THEY'RE TO TURN RIGHT. THEY NEVER DID. MANY TIMES SOMEONE ALMOST HIT ME. I DID I TAKE IT DOING THAT? YEAH. YEAH. SEE, I I ALWAYS SHOULD. RIGHT? I PROMISE. NOW 10 COUNTY CENTER ROAD. THE FOLKS THAT WORK THERE AND ATTEND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S MARTIAL ARTS OR BALLET, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY DON'T GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. I'M IN AND OUTTA MY HOUSE. I GO TO WORK. EVERYBODY HERE, THEY GO TO SUPERMARKET. THEY DO. THEY'RE IN AND OUT. AND THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHEN WE'RE ALMOST HIT BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC RULES. SO I HAVE TO AGREE ABOUT BEING THE FORGOTTEN NEIGHBORHOOD. EITHER THERE'S A MASTER PLAN THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT'S NOT BEING SHARED WITH US. BUT WHY DO YOU WANNA PUT THIS BURDEN ON THIS SMALL COMMUNITY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. OKAY, THERE'S NOT A GOOD RATIONALE FOR THIS AND WE NEED HELP. AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE HELP. IF YOU'RE TELLING ME CHICK-FIL-A IS GONNA MOVE IN AND YOU'RE GONNA CUT MY PROPERTY TAXES TO A THIRD OF WHAT IT IS, MAYBE, BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO IT DOESN'T, IT SEEMS LIKE NO MATTER HOW MANY BUSINESSES COME INTO GREENBERG, OUR TAXES GO UP. THEY NEVER GO DOWN. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE. SO I REALLY THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO GIVE GOOD CONSIDERATION AND PEOPLE NEED TO START TAKING NOTE OF WHAT'S BEING APPROVED. 'CAUSE EVERY TIME YOU APPROVE A PROJECT, ALL OF THIS, THE FLOODING IS GOING TO BE COMPOUNDED. ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR DOWNTOWN WHITE PLAINS, ALL THAT STUFF, ALL THAT RUNOFF COMES ON MY STREET, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , AT SOME POINT MY INSURANCE COMPANY'S GONNA TELL ME THEY WILL NO LONGER COVER MY HOUSE. WHAT AM I GONNA DO THEN? SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT AND I ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND STAND AND TALK AND MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, SIR? IN THE SECOND. OH, SOMEBODY OVER THERE. OKAY, GO AHEAD. COME ON UP. I'VE BEEN SITTING TOO LONG. TAKE YOUR TIME. OH, , SHE'S, UM, HI KURT. I'M ANNETTE PURDY. I'M AT 2 69 ON SKO ROAD, AND I HAVE LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR APPROXIMATELY 40 PLUS YEARS. AND EACH YEAR IT GETS WORSE. GOT WIPED OUT IN IDA. I LOST MY WHOLE OFFICE, THE WHOLE BASEMENT. STEPHANIE HAD SEVEN FEET. I HAD FIVE AND A HALF FEET IN MY BACKYARD. WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS. YOU PUT CHICK-FIL-A THERE WHOLE KENIKA ROAD IS A THOROUGHFARE. PEOPLE COME OFF AND I'M HOME BECAUSE I WORK FROM HOME. THEY COME OFF THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY ON, ON TO TARRYTOWN ROAD, TO OLD KENIKA ROAD BECAUSE IF THEY TAKE THAT SHORTCUT, THEY LOSE, THEY GAIN TIME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS, SOMETIMES THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS. AND THEY CAN GO TO THE SOUTH, THEY CAN GO TO THE NORTH, THEY CAN GO DOWN, DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE. THEY CAN GO WHEREVER THEY WANT. AND THEY CUT OUT TWO OR THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN THE MORNING. IT'S A ZOO. THE OTHER MORNING, ONE OF THE SCHOOL BUSES STOPPED, BUT GOD, TWO CARS COULDN'T GO. COULDN'T WAIT. THEY'RE BLOWING HORNS. THE THIRD CAR CAME AND WENT AROUND THE SCHOOL BUS. LITTLE KIDS ARE GETTING ON THAT. WE CAN'T GET OUT. WE CAN'T GET IN. IF THERE'S FLOODING ON THE, ON SOME ON, UH, BRONX RIVER PARKWAY. WE'RE CLOSED IN. WE CAN'T GET OUT UNTIL THAT'S OPENED UP AGAIN. THEY COME OFF OF THE HILL FROM KENT ROAD FROM THE TOP OF OLD KENSICO, UH, OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD, THE OTHER END OF KENSICO ALL COME THROUGH HERE, ALL COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE SHORTCUT. WE CANNOT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH CHICK-FIL-A AND ANY MORE TRAFFIC. I'VE HAD ANIMALS, MY PETS KILLED ON MY STREET BECAUSE OF THAT. AND YES, I AGREE WITH MARGARET BECAUSE NOW WITH THE FLOODING, I HAVE WEST TECH COME EVERY OTHER MONTH TO SPRAY FOR A LITTLE MICE. YOU DON'T [03:35:01] WANT THAT AROUND YOUR KIDS. I DON'T WANT IT AROUND MY GRANDKIDS. THIS IS NOT FAIR. WE GET PICKED ON FOR EVERYTHING. WE ENDED UP WITH WEST TAB. WE HAVE DELI DELICIOUS OR ERNESTO'S. NOW HE WANTS TO OPEN UP AGAIN. COUNTY CENTER OVERFLOW. THEY PARK IN. I'VE HAD PEOPLE RING MY DOORBELL AND SAY, I'LL PAY YOU $50 IF YOU LET ME PARK ON YOUR DRIVEWAY. I'M GOING TO THE COUNTY CENTER. OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DEAL WITH. TOM HAD SOMEBODY GO UP ON HIS FRONT LAWN AND LAND ON HIS FRONT DOOR. OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD THAT. WE CAN'T TAKE IT. AND AGAIN, OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GONNA GO DOWN. OUR TAXES GO UP EVERY YEAR AND IT'S NOT FAIR. AND WE ARE ALWAYS BLOCKED IN. SORRY, I'VE NEVER HAD CHICK-FIL-A YOU WANNA OPEN THERE? DON'T HAVE ME AS A CUSTOMER. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. HMM? HE'S THE GUY THAT, UH, WROTE THE LETTER. YEAH. COME ON UP TO THE MIC. WE, WE'VE RECEIVED YOUR LETTER AND, AND READ YOUR LETTER. UM, THERE WILL BE A RESPONSE TO YOUR LETTER. IT ONLY CAME IN TO US ON MONDAY, SO IT'S A LITTLE SHORT NOTICE. SO AS WE CONTINUE THIS, WE WILL BE RESPONDING TO IT. SO IF YOU, I, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LETTER IF YOU HAVE JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I APPRECIATE IT. SURE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GANI BARARI. I AM, UH, WITH THE, UH, BUILDING AT 10 COUNTY CENTER ROAD. UH, MY, MY, UH, POSITION AT THE COMPANY IS CONSTRUCTION AND ENERGY MANAGEMENT. I HAVE, UH, BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP CONSTRUCTION. I'VE BUILT IN BRUCE, NEW YORK. I'VE BUILT IN FISHKILL, NEW YORK. UH, WE'VE DONE, UH, A LOT OF RENOVATIONS IN MANY DIFFERENT COUNTIES IN CONNECTICUT. UM, WHEN I SUBMITTED MY LETTER, I DID IT IN THE SPIRIT OF, UH, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. RIGHT. AND I, I HOPE THAT THAT CAME ACROSS IN THE LETTER I MET WITH, UH, WITH CHARLES. AND I MET WITH THE ENGINEER AS WELL TOO. I WAS LOOKING TO OFFER, UM, WAYS THAT THEY COULD MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. IF THERE'S A WAY TO PULL UP, UM, THE LETTER THAT I SENT, THERE'S SOME LINKS, AT LEAST SOME VIDEO LINKS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE SHOWING TO EVERYONE. IS THAT POSSIBLE, AARON? SURE. YES. SO WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO THE SHOW. GREAT. IF, IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST PULL UP, WE'LL GO BACKWARDS. WE'LL START WITH THE EASY ONES. THERE'S A VIDEO OF OF FUMES FROM BURGER KING. MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN PLAY THAT ONE. OH, OKAY. OF THE VIDEO. SO MATT, BRIT ON THE DOCUMENT, IF YOU HOLD, HOLD ON F FUMES TO BURGER KING, WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH CHICK-FIL-A'S, UH, THE EXITING FUMES COMING OUT OF THE, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT PROCESS. SAME, SAME PROCESS. THEY HAVE DEEP FRYERS THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY COOK THE FRIES IN AND IT'S THE HAMBURGERS THEY GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU WHAT YOU GET, GET OUT OF THERE. UH, THE SAME THING I, AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, TO COVER THE EASY THINGS AND THE EASY THING BEING THE FUMES. IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT MITIGATING THE FUMES COMING OUTTA THE RESTAURANT, THEN THAT COULD BE PART OF THE SPECIAL PROCESS. I DON'T NEED SHOW VIDEO. I THINK WE'VE SEEN BURGER KING WITH THE, THE TRAFFIC VIDEOS THEN WOULD BE MORE PERTINENT. YEAH. AND I THINK THE SITE SELECTION THAT THEY CHOSE FOR THIS LOCATION, BEING THAT THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 55,000 CARS THAT PASS ON ROUTE ONE 19 DAILY. THAT'S WHY THE SITE WAS CHOSEN. THAT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO CHOOSE THIS SITE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A GREAT SPEAK TO US. PLEASE. SUCH A GREAT SITE TO, UH, CAN YOU PULL UP FOR THEM TO HAVE IT. AND I, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS THE RESIDENTS IN THAT EVEN IF THE LIGHT IS FIXED, THAT PRECEDENTS WILL BE TAKEN TO THE 55,000 CARS THAT PASS ON ONE 19. SO I DOUBT THAT THE FIX OR THE REPAIR OF THAT LIGHT IS GOING TO MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE IF I WAS IN DO T'S SHOES, I WOULD BE GIVING PRECEDENT TO THE 55,000 VEHICLES THAT PASS ON ROUTE ONE 19. I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND THAT WAIT TIME IS GONNA REMAIN THE SAME. UM, WHEN THE SITE PLAN WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEY'VE DONE A, A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SITE. I I COULD SEE THAT I SPOKE TO THEM. IT IT'S A TOUGH SITE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN. UM, REALLY, I WOULD THINK THAT IF THEY TRIED TO MITIGATE IT MORE WOULD BE IF THEY TRIED TO TAKE ALL OF THE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC AND IMMEDIATELY EXIT IT OUT OF THE SITE. THEIR SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS CALLING FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THIS DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH TO HAVE THE OPTION OF, HEY, LET'S MAKE A, LET'S MAKE A LEFT AND GET BACK ON OLD KENSICO. HEY, LET'S MAKE A RIGHT OVER HERE. AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO MESS UP THE, THE TRAFFIC PLAN COMPLETELY. ESPECIALLY THEIR QUEUING, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. THEY, THEY'RE, IT'S TASTY SANDWICH. IT'S AT THE RIGHT PRICE, AT THE RIGHT PRICE POINT. THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF SERVING. I REALLY HAVE THE FEAR THAT THEY RUN SUCH A GOOD OPERATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN EXIT THE SITE. RIGHT. THEY'LL, THEY'LL, PEOPLE WILL HAVE THEIR FOOD AND THEY'LL BE WAITING TO EXIT THE SITE. [03:40:01] THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT SERVING, THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT, AT, AT DOING ALL THAT. BUT THEIR EXIT PLAN I, I, I THINK IS STILL BAD. IF THERE'S A WAY TO ENTRANCE AND EXIT, UH, AGAIN, PART OF THE THING FROM MY OWN DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IF YOU TOOK ALL OF THE EXITING DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC AND YOU PUT IT OUT ON 10 COUNTY CENTER ROAD, THAT WAY YOU ALLOW AT LEAST THE TRAFFIC THAT CAN IMMEDIATELY GET BACK ON ONE 19, THAT PERCENTAGE, WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE IS, CAN MAKE A RIGHT. THE REST WHO HAVE TO GET BACK ON OLD KENKO WOULD SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. CUE AT THE END OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. RIGHT. SO THEY, THEY'D GET BEHIND EVERYBODY ELSE MIRRORING WHAT, WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID HERE TONIGHT, THAT LEFT HAND TURN ONTO OLD KENKO. YOU NEW YORKERS ARE NOT ESPECIALLY KNOWN FOR FOLLOWING ALL THE TRAFFIC RULES AND REGULATIONS. UM, I HAVE THIS SINKING FEELING THAT THERE'S GONNA COME, THERE'S GONNA BE A LONG QUEUE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. THEY'LL TAKE A RIGHT. ANYWAY. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A LEFT ANYWAY TRYING TO CUT INTO TRAFFIC. OH, I SEE. AND THAT EFFECTIVELY BLOCKS ALL TRAFFIC INTO ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN 10 COUNTY CENTER ROAD AND ALL OF THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICT THAT EVERYONE IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT. AND IT CREATES GRIDLOCK AND YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT IS, ONCE ONE PERSON GOES IN, ANOTHER THREE PEOPLE WANNA SNEAK IN. AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT DO TO ONE 19? NOW WE'RE SO YOUR, I WANNA GET YOUR PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING THE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH THE END OF THE DRIVE THROUGH IS RIGHT BY THE EXIT TO, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. SO IF, IF THE ENGINEER FROM COLIAS WOULD PUT UP THE PLAN, MAYBE HE CAN LINE DRAW IT AS WE SPEAK. OKAY. BUT SEE, WHAT I THINK, AND THIS IS A PLANNING BOARD THING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID, BUT MAYBE IT'S BETTER, IS WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO TAKE A RIGHT. UH, UNTIL OLD COUNTY ON THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD RATHER THAN A LEFT. YEAH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA TRAVERSE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND IF THE, AND IF THEY DO THEIR ENHANCEMENTS TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, WHICH AGAIN, THEY DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME LINE STRIKE THING. AND MAYBE IF THEY DO SOME, SOME SIGNAGE AND SOME LINEAGE THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S A TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND YOU CAN'T CUT ACROSS A DIAGONAL TRAFFIC CIRCLE THAT, THAT WOULD HELP DOING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU CUT THAT TRAFFIC OUT, THEN EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE CAN LINE UP, THEY CAN LINE UP, YOU KNOW, 52 VEHICLES AND 52 VEHICLES THAT ARE LINED UP ALL EXIT OUT WITHOUT GOING BACK INTO THE PARKING LOT. AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, WAY TO KIND OF MITIGATE SOME OF THIS STUFF. AND THEN YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT GET RID OF THE LEFT HAND TURN AS A OLD SKO BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AT ODDS WITH NESTOS AND EVERYONE ELSE AND PEOPLE NOT LETTING THEM IN. YEAH. THE SO, SO YOU WOULD, YOU LEMME ASK, I DO WANNA GET THIS RIGHT. SURE. BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA IF WE CAN MARK IT UP, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MENTIONED AS WELL TOO, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, RESIDENTS WAS MENTIONING ABOUT A BACKUP ON A HIGHWAY. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TINKERING ABOUT IN MY HEAD AS WELL TOO, IS THAT LINE OF PARKING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE NORTH SIDE FACING NESTOS. WANNA FIND OUT. YOU SEE THAT? YEP. THAT NORTH SIDE PARKING. YEP. LIKE YOU SAID, UH, ELOQUENTLY BEFORE 60% OF THEIR BUSINESS IS DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY RUN AND THEY RUN A GREAT DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS. THEIR TEAMS ARE VERY GOOD AT MOVING TRAFFIC. AND THE, THE PLAN DOESN'T REFLECT THAT REALITY. THAT QUEUE SHOULD BE BROUGHT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP SO THAT THAT QUEUE STARTS RIGHT AT THE FRONT. AND THEN ONCE YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE FOR DRIVE THROUGH, YOU GET YOUR FOOD AND YOU EXIT THE SITE WITHOUT COMING BACK INTO I GET THAT. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU 'CAUSE I WANNA UNDERSTAND YOUR WHOLE PLAN. SURE. OKAY. WOULD YOU THEN NOT HAVE ANY EXIT EVEN FOR PEOPLE PARKING ONTO OLD CONCO ROAD? NO. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT CAN EXIT BACK OUT ONTO KENCO. BUT THEN THEY CAN ONLY MAKE A RIGHT. THEY CAN'T MAKE A LEFT THROUGH AROUND. INTERESTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT IF THEY DO THAT, IF THEY TAKE THAT QUEUING PLAN, IF THEY TAKE THE WHITE PORTION WHERE ALL THE CARS ARE PARKED AND THEY BRING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, THEY HAVE NOW MORE ROOM THAN THEY NEED. SO IT'S QUITE POSSIBLY TO EVEN CUT AND MAKE ANOTHER INCOMING LANE JUST FOR CHICK-FIL-A. SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TWO LINES OF QUEUING GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN AND AROUND, YOU ALSO HAVE ONE LINE WAITING TO ENTER INTO THIS QUEUING THAT WOULD BE PUSHED OVER. YOU PUSH THE SIDEWALK OVER ONE MORE LANE. NOW THAT GIVE YOU ONE LANE ENTERING DOUBLE LANE QUEUING AND ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC CAN'T COME BACK INTO THE SITE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT SAFER. EVERYTHING DUMPS DOWN TO COUNTY CENTER ROAD, WHICH THEN A PROPORTION OF THAT EXITING OUT COUNTY CENTER ROAD WOULD [03:45:01] MAKE THE RIGHT AND RIGHT BACK ONTO ONE 19 AND YOU'D ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE WAITING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. OKAY. THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. VERY CREATIVE AND INTERESTING AND THAT AND THE FUMES AND THE GARBAGE AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN MY LETTER, WHICH I HOPE YOU GUYS, UH, HAD TIME TO READ. WE DID. WE DID. AND THERE WILL BE A, THERE'LL BE A FORMAL RESPONSE TO THIS. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE MURRAY? I LIKE THE IDEA. MY NAME IS MURRAY BOWDEN. THE EARLIER PART OF THE MEETING TONIGHT WAS TRANSFORMATIVE. WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS NEW AND THE APPROACH, ESPECIALLY THE HOUSING, TO CREATE A FOUR STORY BUILDING AND NOT DISPLACE PEOPLE NEW KINDS OF THINKING. 'CAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN NEXT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THEY TOOK EVERYBODY AWAY AND THEY BUILT IT UP. MM-HMM. . SO THEY MOVE FORWARD. THE PICTURE ON THE WALL THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING NEW THAT HASN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED. PEOPLE WANNA BACK INTO A SPACE 'CAUSE IT'S SAFER. I'M SENSITIZING YOU TO WATCH ALL OVER HOW MANY PEOPLE BACK IN INSTEAD OF PULLING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN GREENBURG. EVERY CAR THAT'S PARKED IN THEIR LOT IS BACKED IN. THIS IS A NEW PHENOMENON. I NOTICED IT AT A RESTAURANT AT CENTRAL AVENUE. THE SPACES THAT YOU HAVE THERE ARE ANGLED YOU CAN'T SEE TO BACK OUT, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE ARE BACKING IN 'CAUSE IT'S SAFER TO PULL OUT. THAT HASN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED ANYWHERE YET. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN CHANGING THE WAY PEOPLE BEHAVE. IT'S A SAFER WAY OF DOING IT. THE RULES, YOU HAVE ANGLED SPACES THERE. THEY NEED TO BE STRAIGHT IN IF THEY HAVE PEOPLE THERE HELPING DIRECT TRAFFIC. 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT NEED SOMEBODY BACKING OUT. BUT IF YOU CAN PULL OUT, WHAT I'M SAYING TONIGHT IS TO ASK EACH OF YOU, WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND, LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BACKED INTO A SPACE THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT BEFORE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, IT SHOULD BE PULLED THROUGH. I HAVE A HANDICAP SPACE. I USE HANDICAP SPACE. I'M WALKING A LITTLE BETTER. GOOD MEDICAL TEAM. THE POLE THAT SAYS HANDICAP SPACES IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AISLE. I CAN'T PULL THROUGH. THAT HAS TO CHANGE. THERE'S NO REASON THAT POLE CAN'T BE ON THE SIDE. IT'S MARKED. AND IT WOULD GIVE THE DRIVER AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE THAT HASN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED. I ACTUALLY DO IT ALL THE TIME. I DON'T SO'S RIGHT. YOU'RE ALL EMPOWERED TO USE YOUR OBSERVATIONS TO VERIFY WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. I'M 90, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE TO SEE ALL THESE CHANGES. BUT YOU WILL BE, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR USING YOUR OBSERVATIONS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND HOW THINGS CHANGED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE BACK IN 'CAUSE IT'S SAFER. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. BODEN, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, SPEAK AGAIN. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT? OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM THAT WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. LET ME STOP THE SHARE SCREEN REAL QUICK. ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAD SIGNED UP, BUT I DON'T SEEM TO SEE THEM ON, SO MAYBE THEY WERE JUST TUNING IN. YOU CAN COME UP AGAIN THEN. PLEASE BE BRIEF. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. BLESS YOU. GANI. AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF MY BEING HERE TODAY IS, UH, 10 COUNTY CENTER ROAD HAS CHANGED FROM JUST A REGULAR OFFICE BUILDING TO MUCH MORE OF A VIBRANT COMMUNITY WITH SMALL BUSINESSES. THERE ARE OVER 50 SMALL BUSINESSES THAT OCCUPY THAT BUILDING. I'VE LISTENED TO THE PLANNING BOARD DEBATE ABOUT THIS, UH, DURING WORK SESSION. AND I HEARD A FEW TIMES SAYING THERE'S NOT MUCH GOING ON THERE. THERE'S PLENTY GOING ON THERE. OUR PARKING LOT IS ALMOST A CAPACITY. THERE ARE 66 PARKING [03:50:01] SPOTS COUNTED ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD. MOST OF 'EM ARE FULL. THERE'S THREE HOUR PARKING LIMIT AND MOST OF 'EM ARE FULL. UM, WHEN COUNTY CENTER HAS AN EVENT, UM, IT IT'S, IT'S A DISASTER. THAT ROAD IS A DISASTER. BUT REALLY WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT IS FOR THE, THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T HERE TONIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE. UH, YOU HAVE, UH, ESSENTIAL JUUJITSU THAT MOVED OUT OF HARTSDALE. THE THEY HAVE A BIG FACILITY. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, UH, JT TORRES IS RANKED NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD IN HIS WEIGHT DIVISION. SO HE, YOU KNOW, HE HAS A A, A FANTASTIC KIDS PROGRAM. HE HAS A, A GREAT ADULTS PROGRAM AND THEY HAVE STUFF GOING ON ALL THE TIME. SCARSDALE BALLET WAS A TRANSPLANT. THEY WERE, UH, THEY CAME OUTTA SCARSDALE AND THEY'RE NOW THERE AS WELL TOO. THERE'S KIDS THAT ARE DROPPED OFF AND KIDS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY GOING IN AND OUTTA THE FACILITY. THERE'S A BEAUTY SCHOOL. THERE'S UH, THERE'S MICRO BUSINESSES THERE, UH, ARC SALON SUITES AND UH, ARTIST SUITES THAT ARE THERE. SO THERE, THERE'S JUST A LOT GOING ON. AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO, TO VOICE THEIR CONCERN. YOU KNOW, HAVING THE ABILITY TO PEOPLE TO VISIT THEIR BUSINESSES AND COME TO THEIR BUSINESSES AND AND UH, SHOP AND DO BUSINESS WITH THEM IS, IS VITAL TO THEIR SURVIVAL. AND I, I DON'T WANT THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO DETRIMENT THOSE 50 PLUS SMALL BUSINESSES FOR THE SAKE OF ONE LARGE CORPORATE CLIENT. AND SO JUST I UNDERSTAND. SO TO WEIGH THOSE ACCORDINGLY, PLEASE. GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU GUYS, TOM, REAL ONE QUICK, REALLY QUICK. TOM BACH. SO THE, THE ONE THING THAT I'VE NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT I DID WANT TO MENTION IS THAT THE COUNTY ENACTED A NO IDLING LAW THAT IS HELD TO ALL VEHICLES AND THIS KIND OF COUNTERACTS THAT. SO CARS IN THE QUEUE ARE GONNA BE THERE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THIS IS, WE'RE AT, DO YOU GUYS WANNA RESPOND TO ANYTHING NOW OR, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE, UM, IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE A TRANSCRIPT AND SO, UH, WE WILL RESPOND IN WRITING. UM, COME TO THE NEXT BOARD. OKAY. UH, BOARD MEETING AND DISCUSS OUR CHANGES AND SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE TODAY. I WOULD LIKE YOU GUY, MR. CANNING AND PHIL, MR. HOW DO YOU LAST NAME? GREELEY. GREELEY. TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE SUGGESTION. IT'S AN INTERESTING SUGGESTION. IT MAY BE INTERESTING. I DON'T KNOW HOW, THE ONE THING THAT I WORRY ABOUT, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN I SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COMMUNITY WOULD REACT TO NOT HAVING A LEFT OUT OF THERE, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS STUFF, EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT THEM MIGRATING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. SO IF INDEED SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU, THIS GENTLEMAN SUGGESTED IS POSSIBLE, YOU NEED TO THINK IT THROUGH OF A WAY TO SAY THIS IS THE WAY TO ONLY WAY TO ONE 19. AND IT HAS TO BE REALLY GOOD SIGNAGE TO REALLY DISCOURAGE TWO THINGS. MM-HMM. ONE TO DIAGONAL CUT, CUT WITH SO MANY TIMES I'VE WANTED TO DO THAT TOM, WHEN I USED TO LE LEAVE CVS. RIGHT? AND I'M GOING AROUND THE CIRCLE AND NO, I'M JUST GONNA GO THIS WAY. I DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CIRCLE SO I, I CAN SEE, SEE WHY PEOPLE WANNA DO IT. THAT'S ONE THING. BUT MAYBE SOME TRAFFIC, UH, MEASURES YOU COULD TAKE CURBING AND STUFF THAT WOULD MAKE THAT IMPOSSIBLE. THAT'S ONE OPTION TO THINK. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL ON, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO THE CIRCLE. I'M TALKING ABOUT EAST OF THE CIRCLE. OKAY. NOW THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MEASURED CARS GOING INTO THE, INTO THAT Q QUEUE AT THE CIRCLE. THAT WOULD LIMIT. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE, AND I'M TELLING BOTH TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS THIS. I DON'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT'S AN NO-NO. OKAY. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO COME UP WITH. IT ALSO WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN WITH DOT AND WHITE PLAINS AND WITH THE, WITH THAT LIGHT. I MEAN I THINK THAT THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE SHOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UH, BUT IT'D STILL BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT LIGHT TOO. OKAY. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST, UM, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OPEN OR SHOULD WE CLOSE IT TONIGHT? WE THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. YEAH, I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION FOR TONIGHT. WE'LL GO BACK AND WORK SESSION WITH YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. AND THE PUBLIC'S WELCOME TO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN AND I HOPE THEY DO. UM, YOU'LL HAVE AMPLE MORE OPPORTUNITY, UH, WITH A ZONING BOARD IF IT GETS THAT FAR, UH, AND [03:55:01] BACK WITH US BEFORE THIS THING GOES FORWARD. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND STAYING CREATIVE COMMENTS. STAYING SO LATE, STARTING SO LATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE COMMENTS ARE REALLY GOOD AND THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THING SOLUTIONS TO THIS, I REALLY APPRECIATE. YEAH. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO TOOK THEIR TIME TO COME OUT THIS EVENING. SO WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION AS PART OF A FOLLOW-UP RESPONSE. YEAH. WE'LL GET YOU THE TRANSCRIPT AS SOON AS IT'S MADE AVAILABLE AND, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO COORDINATE ALONG THE WAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. TYPICALLY WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS RESPOND TO EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS MADE. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND IF WE COULD GET A COPY OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE CIRCULATED AS WELL. YES. IF YOU COULD JUST EMAIL 'EM TO US, THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT IT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK EVERYONE. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A GREAT, A GREAT THANKSGIVING. EVERYONE SAFE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.