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TO OUR TOWN BOARD MEETING.AND THE FIRST TODAY IS NOVEMBER 28TH AT 5:00 PM AND THE FIRST, UH, OR CLOSE TO IT.
AND THE, UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A DISCUSSION WITH THE ODELL HOUSE.
EVERYONE CAN COME TO THE TABLES.
IS THERE, WHERE'S THERE? YOU COULD TAKE THAT CHAIR OVER HERE.
SO, UH, THANKS FOR, UH, HOSTING US HERE.
AND, UM, JUST TO KICK THINGS OFF, IF, IF I COULD, UM, THE TOWN AND THE FRIENDS OF ODELL HOUSE, WE'VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT, FRANK AND GLORY OVER THE PAST YEAR, UH, WHO SPECIALIZES IN SORT OF MUSEUM PLANNING AND ASSISTING MUNICIPALITIES AND ENSURING SUCCESS WITH MUSEUMS AND CUL CULTURAL ENDEAVORS.
AND AS PART OF THEIR TASK THAT THEY WERE, UM, USED BY THE TOWN AND AND CONTRACTED FOR, WAS TO PREPARE, HELP PREPARE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE FRIENDS OF ODELL HOUSE, WHO HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS, UH, SUPPORTERS OF EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE, ODELL HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S THEIR WEBSITE, FUNDRAISING, UM, JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT IN GENERAL.
BUT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN A TREMENDOUS ASSET.
UM, SO OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, MYSELF, UM, THIS CONSULTANT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS, UH, AND, AND LEGAL STAFF AT TIMES HAVE BEEN MEETING AND WORKING WITH ODELL, UH, FRIENDS OF ODELL HOUSE ON THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT FORMALIZES, UM, HOW THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD REALLY WORK.
AND I THINK THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FROM THIS DOCUMENT IS THAT IT'S, IT WILL EVOLVE SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT'S SET UP TO RUN ON TWO YEAR CYCLES, AND FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, YOU CAN ENVISION THE HOUSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE SUBJECT OF MAJOR RESTORATION EFFORTS.
SO THE ROLE OF FRIENDS OF ODELL HOUSE AND THE TOWN WILL FUNCTION IN PARTNERSHIP TO SEE THAT PROCESS THROUGH.
BUT THEN IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOWARDS THE END OF 2025, ODELL HOUSE IS FULLY FUNCTIONING AND, AND, AND READY AND PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, THE ROLE OF THE TWO PARTIES WILL EVOLVE QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO, UM, THIS DOCUMENT REALLY LAYS OUT A LOT OF GENERAL POLICIES ABOUT HOW WE CAN KIND OF WORK TOGETHER.
UM, IT DOES GET INTO QUITE A BIT OF SPECIFICS AS WELL.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, PAGE TWO, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES LAYS OUT KIND OF THE PRIMARY, UM, RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH AGENCY.
AND JUST TO KIND OF QUICKLY GO THROUGH A FEW OF THEM.
UM, THE TOWN RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING GROUND MAINTENANCE, UH, STEWARDSHIP OF THE HOUSE GROUNDS AND CONTENTS OF THE HOUSE.
THESE ARE ALL TOWN OF GREENBURG RESPONSIBILITIES, ADMINISTERING GRANTS AND FUND ALLOCATIONS GIVEN DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN IN SUPPORT OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THE MAJOR THRUST RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THEN IN A COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT, PROVIDE TIMELY UPDATES TO THE FRIENDS ON PROJECTS PAID FOR BY THE TOWN RELATED TO THE ODELL HOUSE.
UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RESPONSIBLE FOR, LET'S SEE HERE, WHERE BOTH SCENARIOS, WELL, WHENEVER WE USE THE WORD RESPON, LIKE THE FRIENDS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU, YOU'RE DOWN ON THE SECOND PART.
DID HE HAVE ON THE RESPONSIBLE? I'LL GET THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE, STEWARDSHIP OF THE HOUSE GROUNDS AND CONTENTS.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THOSE, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
WELL, IT'S A TOWN OWNED PROPERTY.
AND THEN UNDER THE FRIENDS CATEGORY, WE HAVE RESPONSIBLE USE OF COLLECTIONS, UM, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND GARDENS, UH, HOSTING PROGRAMS AND EVENTS, UM, INCLUDING SET UP CLEANUP TASKS, RAISING FUNDS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THEY'RE EXTREMELY ACTIVE DOING NOW.
I, I'M SORRY, I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO GET TO THAT POINT.
SO WILL THAT INCLUDE ALSO GRANTS AS WELL? WILL YOU ALSO BE SEEKING GRANTS AS WELL? I KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE UNDER THAT IT'S UNDER OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WILL YOU ALSO BE SEEKING GRANTS? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING THE GRANTS.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING FUNDS.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE'RE TWO SETS OF GRANTS, FOR INSTANCE.
THE GRANTS THAT THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, THE ONES THAT GARRETT HAS BEEN SO WONDERFUL ABOUT GETTING FOR THE RESTORATION.
THE GRANTS THAT ARE POSSIBLY GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE WILL BE TO CREATE THE ACTUAL MUSEUM CONTENT.
DO YOU USE THE MIC JUST TO MAKE SURE, GET HERE TO, TO CREATE THE MUSEUM CONTENT OF LIKE WHAT KIND OF EXHIBITS YOU'RE
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GOING TO HAVE? MM-HMM.AND ALSO THERE ARE MANY, MANY PIECES OF ARTIFACTS THAT NEED RESTORATION.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF GRANT MONIES OUT THERE THAT ARE VERY HAPPY TO WORK WITH NONPROFITS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S AN EMBROIDERY FROM 1792 THAT'S IMPORTANT.
SO I'M READING THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING GRANTS AND FUND ALLOCATIONS GIVEN DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN IN SUPPORT OF THE MAINTENANCE CARE OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT THEN UNDER THE FRIENDS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, FOR RAISING FUNDS TO SUPPORT AND MAIN, UH, TO SUPPORT THE MAINTENANCE AND CARE OF THE BUILDING GROUNDS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE SHOULD ALSO BE, WHICH WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RAISING FUNDS AS WELL? NO, WELL, I THINK, SO THE BULLETS UNDER THE TOWN RESPONSIBILITY, ADMINISTERING GRANTS AND FUND ALLOCATIONS.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE, UM, CONSOLIDATED FUNDING APPLICATION, TWO GRANTS, WHICH WE HAVE IN HAND.
UM, SAM GRANTS, WHICH WE'VE GOTTEN.
UM, SO THE TOWN WILL ADMINISTER THOSE.
THE FRIENDS OF SEPARATELY IS TRACKING ALL GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT EITHER THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE, UM, TIME FOR, OR QUITE HONESTLY THE EXPERTISE, LIKE SPECIALIZED GRANTS.
UM, SO IN LIKE IN GENERAL, THE, THE GIST OF THIS DOCUMENT IS SO THAT WE'RE FORMALLY SHARING INFORMATION, BEING IN THE LOOP.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF GRANTS THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR AND VICE VERSA.
UM, IN TERMS OF RAISING FUNDS, UM, YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER TOWN FACILITY, WE, IT'S ENVISIONED THAT THE TOWN WILL HAVE A CAPITAL BUDGET ALLOCATION, UH, NOT A CAPITAL, UH, OPERATING BUDGET ALLOCATION TO, YOU KNOW, PAY THE HEAT, UM, UPKEEP THE LAWN, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OVER AND ABOVE THAT THERE ARE, UM, FUNDRAISING THAT THE FRIENDS COULD DO TO IMPLEMENT VARIOUS PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S, UM, SAY LIKE A, A, A GARDEN THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF COLONIAL TIMES, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD FUNDRAISE FOR.
THAT'S WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE EXPECTED TO, UM, SPEND EITHER OPERATING OR CAPITAL BUDGET FOR.
SO THERE'S A REALLY A LOT OF DUAL, UM, IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR.
LIKE IT DOESN'T FOR ME, FOR ME.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK, HE HE, HE BEAT ME TO IT.
I, I WAS, IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR.
SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT WE WILL BOTH BE, THAT BOTH OF US WILL BE RAISING FUNDS OR LOOKING AT GRANTS AND EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY WHAT EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY IS GOING TO BE.
UM, UNLESS THAT'S NOT INTENDED.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THE, UM, THE WAY I READ IT WAS, YOUR MIC'S OFF, I'M SORRY.
THE WAY I READ IT WAS THAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE TOWN ARE FOR ADMINISTERING GRANTS THAT COME DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN.
AND THEN THE FRIENDS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING FUNDS, WHICH INCLUDE GRANTS, UM, THAT ARE, THAT, THAT, THAT THEY GO AFTER AND GET THEMSELVES.
BUT THEN WHO WOULD ADMINISTER THE GRANTS THAT YOU GO AND GET THE FRIENDS? THE FRIENDS ALSO, GARRETT WOULD BE ABOUT WITH, BUT WE, THERE'S, THERE'S OVERLAP THOUGH THERE.
HE'S THE EXPERT, EXPERT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
JUST TO BE CLEAR ON HE'S RIGHT.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A TREASURER WHO ADMINISTERS ALL OF, I THINK PRIMARILY YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HANDLE BRICKS AND MORTAR.
EVERY GRANT THAT YOU'VE GOT ALREADY, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $3.2 MILLION, IS ALL GOING TOWARD BRICKS AND MORTARS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, CERTIFIED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
THIS IS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA USE IT FOR.
WE'RE DOING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE, UH, OUTDOORS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE WORK OUTDOORS IS GONNA INCLUDING DEMONSTRATION, GARDENS, EXHIBITS AND SO FORTH.
I JUST, I JUST, I JUST THINK IF WE COULD JUST MAKE IT CLEARER.
WE JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO LEGAL TO DECIDE WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS.
I, WE, WE COULD ADD SOME LANGUAGE JUST TO CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BETTER.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.
IT'S TO YOUR INTEREST THAT HE DOES ADMINISTRATING GRANTS REGARDING WHO, REGARDLESS OF WHO GETS IT.
YOU KNOW, THE GRANTS WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR HAVE BEEN MOSTLY FOR EVENTS.
LIKE YOU WERE AT COLONIAL DAY AND THE COUNTY GAVE US A GRANT TO SUPPLEMENT THE COST OF BRINGING THE MUSEUM OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION THERE.
WE STRICTLY ADMINISTERED THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY.
WE GOT, WE'VE GOTTEN GRANTS EVERY YEAR FROM THE HUDSON RIVER VALLEY NATIONAL HERITAGE AREA, AKA, THE GREENWAY.
I MEAN, IF IT'S A GRANT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE JOINTLY ARE INVOLVED WITH, LIKE THE EXHIBIT TO GO INTO A MUSEUM AND IT'S A BIGGER AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT WITH THE TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THAT IN LANGUAGE,
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BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT JUST COULD BE DONE MUTUALLY.AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER IN GENERAL, ONCE THE PRESENT GRANTS THAT THE TOWN IS IN POSSESSION OF OR IMPLEMENTED FIRST OFF THE HOUSE WILL BE FULLY COMPLETE.
THERE ARE LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DRAWN UP BY A, UM, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT ARE, WE'LL CALL GRANDIOSE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND, BUT BEAUTIFUL GRANDIOSE, UM, I DON'T THINK THE FUNDING WILL TAKE THOSE TO COMPLETION TO THE EXTENT THERE'S GRANTS OUT THERE, UM, FOR THE TOWN TO OBTAIN TO GET THOSE IMPLEMENTED.
BUT SHORT OF THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE AN EXPECTATION OF THE TOWN TO JUST STRAIGHT CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, TO GET THOSE DONE.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE FUNDRAISING WILL COME IN.
'CAUSE THE TOWN, THESE ARE NOT ALL NO MATCH GRANTS.
THE TOWN IS DEFINITELY INVESTING SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INTO SOME OF THESE MATCHES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK LONG TERM, THE, THE, THE SYNERGY BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS, THE FUNDRAISING AND, AND YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF GRANTS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO NON-PROFITS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO AFTER.
AND JUST LONG AS BE ALL CLEAR AND THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY.
I MEAN, TO BE CLEAR, MOST OF THE GRANTS WE'VE GOTTEN ARE ALSO MATCHING GRANTS AND WE'VE RAISED THE MONEY TO MATCH IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES ON THIS? YEAH.
WHERE ARE THEY ON PAGE THREE?
SO, FOR INSTANCE, PAGE THREE IS KIND OF A, UM, JUST VERY GENERAL, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICY ORIENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, VALUES THAT WE BOTH GROUPS WOULD ADHERE TO.
UM, WHICH IS A GREAT THING TO SEE, SEE EXPRESSED IN A CONTRACT.
YOU DON'T NORMALLY HONESTY, YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE THESE THINGS IN A CONTRACT.
COLLABORATION, DIVERSITY, A LOT OF IT'S CONSULTANT SPEAK.
SHOULD WE CALL IT THAT RESPONSIBILITY? BUT IT'S GOOD.
AND ALSO THIS IS A NEW ENDEAVOR FOR, FOR, FOR ALL OF US, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
AND WE DO HAVE SEMI, UM, NOT APPLES TO APPLES, BUT WE DO HAVE A GOOD TEMPLATE WITH, UH, THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER AND A LOT OF THE COLLABORATION THAT THEY DO.
AND I THINK WE WANNA MODEL OURSELVES AFTER A LOT OF THE GREAT THINGS THEY DO.
UM, BUT THIS IS ALL NEW FOR ALL OF US.
YOU KNOW, I, I DEFINITELY HAVE NEVER, UH, OVERSEEN A $3.2 MILLION HISTORIC PRE PRESERVATION, UH, RESTORATION.
SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE LEARNING ON THE FLY.
SEE, I HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY NOW A, A STUDY TOPIC CALLED MUSEUM OLOGY.
WHO KNEW? YOU KNOW, AND YOU GOTTA TAKE THAT CLASS ON.
I THINK I'LL TEACH IT
IS THE MUSEUM JUST THE FIRST FLOOR? I CAN'T HEAR YOU, FRANCIS.
IS THE MUSEUM JUST THE FIRST FLOOR? NO.
SO IS THERE AN ELEVATOR? THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN A PORTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR? AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOT TO BE AN ELEVATOR.
IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A STATE DECISION AS TO HOW YOU MAKE IT HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.
AND WE'RE AGREEING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PER, UH, PERSONS.
AND IF IT, IF YOU, IF SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR CAN'T GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR, MAYBE IT NEEDS A CLAUSE THAT SAYS AS AS POSSIBLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD BE SHIPPO PHRASING THAT YOU'D NEED TO PUT IN THERE.
WHICH PAGE DO YOU SEE THE REFERENCE PROPERTY MUSEUM? THAT THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PERSONS.
AND SO THERE MAY BE WAYS TO, UM, DIGITALLY SHOW WHAT'S HAPPENING UPSTAIRS.
AND ALSO, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE THAT CANNOT SEE OR HEAR, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET VALUE OUT OF THE, THE MUSEUM.
SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS IN WHICH, YOU KNOW YEAH.
IF THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO CREATE THOSE KIND OF EXHIBITS, WHICH ARE WELL, WE'RE COMMITTING TO WHATEVER THAT IS, WHATEVER THAT COST IS, IF YOU LEAVE IT THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, AND I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN IT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL, ALL PEOPLE.
UM, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING WITH THE STATE.
THEY, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ELEVATORS IN A LOT OF THE DETERMINATIONS FOR HOW THE RESTORATION HAS GONE.
AND THIS IS REALLY GARRETT'S FIELD ARE DETERMINED BY WHAT THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS RECREATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS IN ITS STANDARDS.
AND THERE, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR PROPERTIES OF THIS ERA ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, IF YOU, IF WE GOT A 40 MILLION, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE MUSEUM WILL BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
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WE GOT A $40 MILLION GRANT LIKE THEY GAVE TO JAY HOMESTEAD TO BUILD AN ELEVATOR, WE COULD DO THAT.UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE AN AUDIO VIDEO COMPONENT OF THIS MUSEUM.
AND IT, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, REASONABLE TO THINK THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE VIDEOS OF THE SECOND FLOOR OR PUT A CAMERA UP THERE OR PUT A CAMERA UP THERE.
IN TERMS OF, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ELEVATOR, HOW MANY STEPS ARE THERE? IT'S A FULL FLIGHT OF STAIRS.
SO HOW MANY IS THAT? LIKE YOU'VE BEEN IN NO, I FORGOT.
DID YOU COUNT THE STAIRS? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S ABOUT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SHORTER BACK THEN.
DON'T THEY HAVE THE, DON'T THEY HAVE, UH, THOSE LIKE CHAIR LIFTS FOR THE NO, IT'S TOO NARROW.
I DON'T KNOW IF STRONG ENOUGH OF THAT.
I DON'T, DON'T THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
THERE'S A NEW, UH, BUILDING THAT'S COMING ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE THAT FOCUSES ON THE DISABLED.
IT'S THE, THE NEW STORE RIGHT NEAR, UH, THAT WHERE THE NEAR THE, UH, CHINESE RESTAURANT AND THE, THAT USED TO BE THE YOGURT STORE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA SPECIAL MOBILE MOBILITY CITY.
MAYBE ALL WE COULD DO IS WE COULD REACH OUT TO THEM.
WHEN ARE THEY GONNA COMMENT ABOUT JANUARY? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE STRUCTURE CAN, CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT TYPE OF, I THINKS CHAIR OR SOMETHING.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT ABOUT SHIPPO AND GARRETT AND THE ARCHITECT.
IT'S NOT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
BUT THAT, THAT'S A BUSINESS THAT SPECIALIZES, UM, IN THE DIS DISABLED ACCESS.
AND MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS WHEN THEY OPEN UP, WE COULD ASK THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AND GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING A LITTLE NARROWER OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE SOME IDEAS.
I'M THINKING I CAN'T COMMIT TO DOING SOMETHING WE KNOW IS NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
THIS WORDING DOESN'T IMPLY THAT YOU'RE GONNA SHOW THEM PICTURES OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DOWNSTAIRS OF WHAT'S UPSTAIRS.
IT SAYS IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PURPOSES.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN HERE VIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF WORDING MM-HMM.
WITH THE HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THE GOAL BABY, OF EVENTUALLY MAKING IT FULLY ACCESSIBLE.
BUT I DON'T WANT JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT TO IGNORE IT.
WE'LL ADD SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME.
I'M NOT BUILDING THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PART OF THE AGREEMENT.
YEAH, I, I KNOW, BUT SO YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S NOT PART OF YOU.
IT'S LIKE US SAYING, WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH US, BUT YOU WIND UP TO VOTE ON THIS.
AND WE WANT EVERYBODY, WE'RE GOING INTO A PARTNERSHIP.
WE WANT THAT PARTNER HEAR PARTNERSHIP TO WORK.
THERE WOULD BE SOME, SOME LANGUAGE, SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES.
IS DAN ABLE TO BE PROMOTED? DAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? OH, HE IS.
HE JUST HAS TO TURN ON HIS CAMERA OR HIS MICROPHONE.
UM, DAN, DO YOU WANNA MAKE THESE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST SENT TO ME? UM, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED THEM.
SUSAN, AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT COLLECTION, I KNOW THAT THAT'S, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE? UM, PAGE FOUR, IF WE'RE OKAY TO MOVE ON.
I KNOW, UM, THAT'S A VERY FLUID SITUATION.
UM, OH, COULD I MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS? SO THERE IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TOWN AS A PARTY.
UM, CURRENTLY ONGOING BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT WILL DETERMINE THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS COLLECTION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CLAIMS AS TO THE STATUS OF THE MM-HMM.
JUST TO KNOW THAT IT'S ONGOING AND THERE WILL BE A RESULT EVENTUALLY.
JUST DON'T WANNA DISCLOSE ANYTHING THAT COULD HURT THE INVESTIGATION OR, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT BE FAIR TO THE OPPOSING PARTY TO HAVE TIME TO COMMENT TONIGHT.
THE LAST BULLET ON PAGE THREE, WHAT IS A NON-MISSION RELATED REVENUE GENERATED EVENT THAT HELPS SUPPORT THE COSTS OF THE OPERATION OF THE MUSEUM? IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MISSION.
WELL, SOMEBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, RENT IT TO GET MARRIED.
OH, THE, THE MAIN ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF 1855, UM, COULD BE RENTED OUT TO OTHER OR PEOPLE ORGANIZATIONS FOR THEIR USES.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, WE'RE TRYING TO ALWAYS THINK IN TERMS OF WE REVENUE STREAM FOR THE FUTURE, AND THAT'S ONE OPTION.
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BUT IF IT'S BEING USED TO PROMOTE THE MUSEUM OR MAKE IT FUNCTION, THAT'S REALLY NOT A NON-MISSION.I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH, A WEDDING.
BUT IF IT'S A WEDDING THAT THE PROCEEDS FROM THAT WEDDING IS GOING TO GO INTO IMPROVING THE STRUCTURE.
BUT THAT'S THE, THE IDEA THERE.
WEDDINGS, AND I WOULD THINK SO.
I, YOU KNOW, CAME UP WITH THE WORDING.
COMMUNITY GROUPS, FOR EXAMPLE.
WHAT'S THAT? DAN? COMMUNITY GROUPS COULD RENT THE SPACE, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THOSE, UH, THOSE EVENTS COULD GO TOWARD THE GO TOWARD THE, THE HOME OPERATIONS.
SO WHY DO WE SAY NON-MISSION? BECAUSE IF IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE A WEDDING, A WEDDING ISN'T STRICTLY RELATED TO THE MISSION OF PRESERVING THE HOUSE, PEOPLE GETTING MARRIED, JUST ONE LOVELY SETTING TO GET MARRIED.
BUT THE FEE THAT THEY PAY TO GET MARRIED, THE, THE, THE LOCATION FEE GOES TOWARD, WILL EVENTUALLY GO TOWARD THE MISSION ONCE ALL THE COSTS OF HAVING THE WEDDING THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE NET COSTS OF THE, THE NET INCOME FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE WEDDING.
THAT HELPS, THAT HELPS A LOT OF OPERATIONS.
IT'S NOT DISSIMILAR TO WHAT THE NATURE CENTER DOES.
SO, JUST, JUST REALLY QUICKLY TO THAT POINT.
SO I KNOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE WORD MISSION OUT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MISSION HERE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE A PURPOSE OF WHAT THIS AGREEMENT IS, BUT IT'S NOT SAYING WHAT THE MISSION OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT NON-MISSION WORDING OUT, RIGHT.
WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T, I GUESS WE DON'T NEED THE MISSION PIECE OF IT ANYMORE, IS THAT WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
IS THAT ANYTHING? ARE YOU ASKING, IS THE MISSION STATED SOMEWHERE IN THIS AGREEMENT? THE MISSION OF WHAT THE ODELL HOUSE, THE MISSION OF THE DELL HOUSE IS TO, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO VISIT HISTORY FROM THE 18, YOU KNOW, INTEREST, YOU UNDERSTAND? YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
THE, UM, THE SCOPE OF FRANK AND GLORY IS BEYOND ASSISTING WITH THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.
AND WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A, UM, SORT OF ONE PAGE MISSION STATEMENT, EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
BUT TO THAT END, I THINK, UM, IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADD, UM, A VERY, SOMETHING ABOUT A VERY CONCISE, UM, SORT MISSION, UM, OVERARCHING STATEMENT INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
FEEL THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS THIS WE'RE ASPIRING FOR.
WELL, I THINK THE PARAGRAPH USAGE OF PROP PROPERTY IN WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS BULLET POINTS, GOES SOMEWHAT TOWARD ADDRESSING WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPERTY IS.
AND MAYBE THAT HELPS ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, JUST PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE MUSEUMS SO THAT IT'S, IT DOES IT, THESE NON-MISSION RELATED EVENTS ARE REALLY, TRULY ACCESSORY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPORADIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, HELPFUL AND, AND REVENUE GENERATING.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE REAL MISSION IS NOT, UM, TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE TOWN HERE,
WELL, THAT'S WHY I THINK IF IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROCEEDS USED TO SUPPORT THE COST FOR OPERATING, THAT WOULD SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY IS, IT'S NOT JUST HELP SUPPORT, BUT WHATEVER IS GENERATED IS GOING TO IT AND NOTHING ELSE.
IT'S NOT LIKE A 2010 SPLIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I DON'T SOUNDS LIKE A WAY OF GETTING INTEREST IN THE BUILDING IF YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO USE IT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T DAMAGE.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS NEED FOR SPACES LIKE THAT.
AND PARTICULARLY DURING THE PANDEMIC.
SO MANY PEOPLE WANTED SMALL WEDDINGS AND SMALL EVENTS AND THEY WERE VERY LIMITED SPACES THAT COULD PROVIDE THAT.
I CAN, YOU COULD LOAN YOUR DRESS
YOU COULD LOAN YOUR DRESS THAT YOU WEAR AT ALL THESE EVENTS ANYTIME.
OH, SUZY, YOU LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL, SO UNCOMFORTABLE.
WE JUST WE'RE LIKE HOW A PEOPLE PEOPLE FUNCTION.
THE BREACHES AREN'T SO GOOD EITHER.
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ANY DAY.SO AS LONG AS ANYONE WHO RENTS THIS PLACE, UH, DOESN'T MESS UP THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BRICKS AND WATER AND, UH, I WOULD THINK THAT ANYONE WHO RENTED THE PLACE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE FOR THE, AND THAT SURE.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT INSURANCE.
BUT THAT IS NOT PERTINENT TO THIS, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
BUT ANY TYPE, WE, ANY TYPE OF EVENT SPACE, ANYTHING, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE CAN, LIKE WE CAN'T VETO IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE EVENT.
WE SAY NO SAY, AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE IRREPLACEABLE.
SO THE FACT THAT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO, TO CERTAIN AREAS.
IF YOU RENT TO THE SPACE FOR AN EVENT, IT WILL BE EITHER THE OUTDOOR SPACE OR THE COMMON ROOM.
IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT THOUGH, THAT THE MUSEUM ROOMS SHOULD BE LOCKABLE.
SO THAT WHEN YOU RENTED THE, THE PUBLIC SPACE, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BATHROOM.
AND THAT MITIGATES THE RISK OF ANYONE DAMAGING ANY OF THE YEP.
SO DID YOU WANNA MOVE ON OR WE, WHERE ARE WE? I THINK WE'RE ON FOUR MM-HMM.
AND THEN ONE IS THE COLLECTION THAT JOE JUST REFERENCED.
THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
SO BUDGETS WILL BE PREPARED AND VOTED ON ANNUALLY BY BOTH PARTIES.
SO THE PARTY IS THE FRIENDS AND THE PARTY IS THE TOWN.
IS THAT ONE IN ONE OR THERE A LOT OF FRIENDS AND THERE ARE FIVE DOWN BOARD MEMBER.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LOGISTICS TO IT.
THE BUDGETS WILL BE PREVAILED AND VOTED ON ANNUALLY.
PRESUMABLY THE SAME BUDGET COST SHARING WILL BE DETERMINED ANNUALLY BY BOTH PARTIES.
HOW, HOW LOGISTICALLY ARE DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING? WELL, YOU'RE BORED.
I MEAN, BOTH BOARDS WOULD NEED TO APPROVE IT.
THE ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION I MADE, I HAVE, SINCE I'M A DETAILED PERSON, IS, UM, I, UM, THINK THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW, UH, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR OF THE TOWN.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BUDGET, IF OUR FISCAL YEAR IS JANUARY 1ST TO DECEMBER 31ST, UM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD OUR FISCAL YEAR AS WELL.
IT SHOULD BE THE SAME FISCAL YEAR.
SO GETTING BACK TO IT, YOU COME UP WITH A BUDGET, THE TOWN COMES UP WITH A BUDGET, IT'S A TOUGH YEAR.
HOW IS THAT RESOLVED? TRUST MY LEGAL SKILLS.
I THINK THAT BY MUTUAL DISCUSSION AS THIS AGREEMENT PER PERTAINS THAT WE WORK TOGETHER.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TOWN WOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY BECAUSE IF IT'S AN OPERATING BUDGET OF THE TOWN, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE FRIENDS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE SAME FUNCTION THAT THE TOWN'S NOT GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DICTATE TO THE FRIENDS EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE GONNA SPEND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR FUND RAISING, UH, ALLOCATIONS.
UM, BUT WE'RE SHARING INFORMATION IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT EFFICIENCIES AND THERE'S NOT OVERLAP THERE.
WE WILL HELP EACH OTHER KEEP COSTS DOWN.
BUT LET'S REMEMBER THIS IS A TWO YEAR AGREEMENT THAT'S ONLY IN EFFECT UNTIL THE MUSEUM IS OPEN.
BUT IT'S STILL, ONCE YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONING BUILDING RIGHT, YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE AN OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE MUSEUM.
BUT WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT NOW.
BUT TO ME, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS A PRECURSOR TO A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE NONPROFIT THAT OPERATES THE BUILDING THAT IS, WOULD FOLLOW THE MODEL OF THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER.
AND TO ME, CONTRACT SHOULD TRY TO ANTICIPATE AND AVOID CONTROVERSY LATER BY DEALING WITH THEM UPFRONT.
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I'M NOT SUGGESTING WHO GETS THE UPPER HAND IF THERE IS SUCH A THING, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARER THAN WE'LL EACH PREPARE BUDGETS AND DECIDE HOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT WELL, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.I'M TAKING MANY NOTES AND I, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THIS, THIS ENTIRE CLAUSE MAY BE PREMATURE.
I WAS THINKING THAT AND NOT NECESSARY TO THIS, THE TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, ERIC? WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN OPERATING BUDGET.
WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE IT OUT THEN? YEAH, I, I, I THINK MAYBE, WELL JOE, YOU AND DAN SHOULD DISCUSS IT.
WE COULD HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE YOU MAY, YOU MAY NEED MONEY IN THE SECOND YEAR.
IT SEEMS TO BE PREMATURE TO ME.
BUT YOU MAY NEED MONEY IN THE SECOND YEAR.
SO THERE MIGHT, MAY NEED MONEY FOR WHAT, IN THE SECOND YEAR.
SO UNLESS YOU THINK NOT, AND THEN THERE'S NO MONEY INVOLVED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT OPENING AT THE EARLIEST, LIKE TWO YEARS FROM 2026 FROM YESTERDAY.
THE NEXT TWO YEARS IT'S REALLY, UH, EXPENDITURES FROM THE GRANT.
SO THE ONLY OPERATING BUDGET THAT THE TOWN NEEDS IS TO PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL.
SO THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE NOTED RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN AS WE COME INTO A NEW AGREEMENT, THEN WE NEED TO ADJUST.
THIS SECTION IS GONNA BE MORE APPLICABLE FOR THE SECOND MM-HMM.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MUCH MORE EXPLICIT THAN WHAT'S IN THIS PARAGRAPH RIGHT NOW.
WELL, YOU WOULD, WHAT'S AS OF MARCH, 2023, YOU WOULD BE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I CERTAINLY WOULD BE OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND WHAT'S NOT.
SO WE'RE JUST TAKING, I'M JUST TAKING THAT LIST AS SOMEBODY HAS CHECKED IT, RIGHT? YES.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE TOWN BOARD OR DESIGNEE, WHICH COULD BE THE SUPERVISOR.
THE TOWN WILL, UNDER SUPERVISION OF STAFF, THE TOWN WILL SUPERVISE THE WORK OF VENDORS HIRED WITH THE TOWN FUNDS OR FUNDS GRANTED TO THE TOWN OR PROJECTS.
SO, UH, SO WHAT, IS THAT GONNA BE A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT? IS THAT GONNA FALL INTO YOUR DEPARTMENT? MM-HMM.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S COLLABORATIVE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT, MY DEPARTMENT DPW WE'RE KIND OF ALL CHIPPING IN.
SO IS THERE GONNA BE ONE POINT PERSON WHO'S GONNA BE ASSIGNED TO THE ODELL HOUSE AND ANYONE WHO IS BEING CONTRACTED TO WORK OR ANYTHING? NO.
IT COULD BE DIFFERENT PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE.
COULD, IF YOU COULD HAVE PUBLIC WORKS POINT, YOU COULD HAVE GAR YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA FINISH MARK.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW YEAH.
IN PARKS, RIGHT? SO, SO I WOULD THINK I JUST WANNA FINISH.
SO ARE WE GONNA DESIGNATE ONE POINT PERSON FOR ALL ODELL HOUSE RELATED ACTIVITIES? MM-HMM.
AND THAT PERSON WILL BE SUPERVISING ALL OF THE PROJECTS.
JUST TO YOUR POINT WHERE YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS, YOU HAVE, UM, BUILDING, BUILDING, YOU HAVE PLANNING.
SO WE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE DIFFERENT MANAGERS, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE POINT PERSON.
SO
AND IF THERE'S EVER FEDERAL FUNDING INJECTED INTO THE PROJECT, THIS COULD BE MADE A PUBLIC
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PARK THE PROPERTY.AND WITH FEDERAL FUNDING, THE FENERIN LAW WOULD NOT BE IN PLAY.
AND IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ENVELOPED INTO THE PARK SYSTEM.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH A FULLY TURNED OVER FUNCTIONING BUILDING AND GROUNDS UP TO DATE, WOULD THEN KIND OF TAKE IT FROM THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, AN AGREEMENT WITH EVOLVING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FRIENDS WHO WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, MANAGE PROGRAMMING AND WHATNOT IN A SIMILAR FASHION AS OUR TEMPLATE UP AT THE NATURE CENTER.
UM, NOW IF THAT, THAT'S A BIG, IF, IF THERE'S NO FEDERAL FUNDING, THEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, IT WILL, FIRST OFF, IT CAN'T REALLY BE A PARK.
'CAUSE THEN IT WOULD ONLY BE, UM, ALLOWED TO BE VISITED BY RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT IN TWO YEARS.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WHO'S THE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S MY DEPARTMENT.
THAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
IT MAY NOT BE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY TOWN PROPERTY SO THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WEDDING, IT'S GONNA BE A DRY WEDDING.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE ALCOHOL.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FOR TWO YEARS.
JUST, JUST, BUT AS WE THINK ABOUT, BUT IN THAT, AS WE THINK ABOUT PLANNING AND WHAT WE COULD DO, THE USES THAT WE CAN USE FOR THIS BUILDING, ABSOLUTELY.
WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I MEAN, I HAVE AN APPLICATION ON MY COMPUTER TO THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES, WHICH IS FEDERAL FUNDING.
DIDN'T WE CHANGE THE LAW COUPLE, COUPLE YEARS AGO AND ALLOW SOME ALCOHOL AT SOME, I FORGOT.
NATURE CENTER HAS, UH, I THINK THREE OR FOUR OCCASIONS THAT IT IS ALLOWED TO SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
YOU SAY NOT HARD LIQUOR THOUGH.
IT'S MOSTLY JUST WINE OR BEER.
SO WE COULD DO THE SAME THING FOR IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WEDDING, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE WINE OR BEER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA MAKE, NOBODY'S GONNA GO, NOBODY GO.
THEY HARTSBURG THEY DO AN AWESOME JOB.
YOU GOT THE PARKS RIGHT BEHIND YOU LOOK LISTENING INTENTLY.
SO MY GLASSES SEE JOE'S FACE,
SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS, YOU KNOW, TAKE A A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS OF FEDERAL MONEY, TURN IT ONLY INTO THE B BUDGET, UNINCORPORATED AREA, PAYING FOR IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
IF IT'S PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL, UM, I GUESS THE PARKS HAS NO A, A BUDGET.
UM, IT'S TOWN RESOURCES, ACCESS TO A BUDGET.
JERRY, WE HAVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS AN A BUDGET LINE.
I, I DON'T WHY WOULD THAT BE DIFFERENT IF IT'S TURN YOUR MIC? WELL, YOU'RE SAYING NEREN WOULDN'T APPLY IF FEDERAL FUNDING'S OBJECTED INTO THE PROJECT.
NOW YOU'RE NOT EXCLUDING ANYMORE MEANS UNINCORPORATED PAYS AND ONLY UNINCORPORATED PAYS.
WE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHETHER WE WANNA MAKE IT A PARK OR NOT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE WOULD LOVE IT TO BE A PARK.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, DUE TO THE THINNER IN-LAW AND THE RESTRICTIONS, 'CAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW IN OUR PARKS, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ALCOHOL.
HOWEVER, THE TOWN, IF THEY WANT TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY, CAN SERVE ALCOHOL, SERVE ALCOHOL.
HERE RIGHT NOW AT TOWN HALL, AT THE LIBRARY IN OUR PARKS, WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION THROUGH A TOWN CODE, UH, UH, RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER TO SERVE IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
BUT LET'S GET TO THE BIGGER PICTURE.
WHEN WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WHETHER THIS SHOULD BE A B FUND OR A FUND, I ADVOCATED THAT.
I THOUGHT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO KEEP IT IN THE A FUND.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ENTIRE TOWN AND THIS BRANCH IS OUT AND IT'S OPEN TO THE ENTIRE PUBLIC.
AND I, AND I STILL ADVOCATE THAT WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IF WE HAVE TWO YEARS, IS TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLE FEDERAL GRANTS.
BUT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S FOR A PARK, IT'S JUST FOR A TOWN OWNED PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THAT GIVES YOU A LOT MORE LATITUDE TO WHATEVER THE TOWN BOARD AND, AND, AND THAT GROUP WOULD LIKE TO DO.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS OUT THERE.
AND IT'S, EVEN IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT IF SOME OF THE THINGS WAS MANAGED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IT COULD BE BILLABLE.
'CAUSE WE, WE COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, OUR SERVICES TO HELP PROVIDE SOFT, YOU KNOW, SOME SUPPORT OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET AROUND IT.
BUT, UH, I, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF OF AN A FUND.
AND IF YOU MAKE A DEDICATED PARKLAND THE WAY THE LAW IS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL PARTY OR A LITTLE FUNDRAISER LIKE WE DO AT THE NATURE CENTER MM-HMM.
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I'D SAY LEAVE IT AT A, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE IN THE, A BUDGET.
I MEAN THE, WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN THE RIVER TOWNS.
YOU KNOW, MY BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE TWO BOARD MEMBERS FROM LEY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN HASTINGS.
I, WE JUST CAME FROM THEY'RE WITH THE A FUND.
THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE A FUND OR THEY'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE A FUND IS.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
I'M JUST SAYING SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AS A MUSEUM.
YOU KNOW, WE, UNDERSTANDING, UNDERSTANDING IS THE MATCHES OR OR CAPITAL BUDGET A FUND, DO WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? MOST OF THE FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT IS FORTUNATELY GRANT FUNDING.
BUT THAT WOULD CHANGE IF IT'S DECLARED TO BE A PARK AND WE GET FEDERAL MONEY.
YEAH, NO, I THINK I, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT IT, IF YOU GET THE FEDERAL FUNDING, IT CAN BE A PARK.
BUT THEN IT'S GOTTA BE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL.
AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDE FOR THE BUILDING TO BE FUNDED UNDER, UNDER CORPORATE GREENBERG AND YOU WANNA ALLOW, YOU WOULD BE RESTRICTED FROM ALLOWING NON-RESIDENTS TO USE THAT FACILITY.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT BE FUND AND ALLOW NON-RESIDENTS, WE WOULD HAVE TO SECURE A FEDERAL GRANT THAT IS CONDITIONAL, THAT IS OPEN TO EVERYONE.
AND THE FIN IN LAW DOES ALLOW US THAT.
NOW TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE PATH YOU WANT TO GO.
I, OH, THAT'S FOR YOU AS A BOARD TO DECIDE IF YOU DO A FUND.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TIE IT IN WITH THE OTHER RIVER TOWNS, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR ME.
THAT'S A PUBLIC, LET ME UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU, IF I WERE TO GET A GRANT NOW FROM A FEDERALLY SOURCED GRANT AGENCY, GRANT FUNDING, WOULD IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOME, BE ALLOWED TO BE A PARK THAT'S OPEN TO EVERYONE? NO, THE TOWN HAS TO SAY IT'S A DEDICATED PARK FIRST.
BUT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GO, THIS IS A MUNICIPAL PARK OWNED PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS OF IT BEING A PARK.
BUT IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, TO GO BEYOND THE FIN IN LAW.
NO, THE FIN IN LAW IS APPLIED IF IT'S CONSIDERED DEDICATED PARKLAND.
ONCE YOU DEDICATED PARKLAND FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
'CAUSE WE ONLY PROVIDE PARKS FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF GREENBURG.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TOWN BOARD DECISION PERSONALLY.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO RESTRICT IT.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING AT THE, AT THESE EARLY STAGES NOT TO DEDICATED PARK PLAN.
AND I THINK IT WOULD NEED THOROUGH RESEARCH BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND RELATING TO GEORGE WASHINGTON AND CHENBO, THEY DID NOT, UH, RESTRICT THEIR MOVEMENTS TO THE UNINCORPORATED SECTION OF THE TOWN.
THAT, WELL ACTUALLY, I'LL TELL YOU, A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME INVOLVED ALL KINDS OF VILLAGES THROUGHOUT GREENBERG.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF INTEREST.
IN FACT, I THINK I HAVE A MEMO SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE AN EIGHT FUNDED
AND THEN INSURANCE, YOU GONNA, YOU GONNA REVIEW THE INSURANCE? I HAVE AND WE SENT IT TO OUR BROKER AS WELL.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE
SO ARE WE, I'M JUST READING THIS VERY QUICKLY.
ARE WE INDEMNIFYING EACH OTHER ONLY UP TO THE LIMITS OF OUR INSURANCE? YES.
BASED ON THE CURRENT WORDING OF THIS DOCUMENT.
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? I COULD TALK TO DAN ABOUT THAT.
I WILL SAY WE HAD THAT PROVISION STRUCK FROM SOME OTHER PROPOSED CONTRACTS RECENTLY.
SO DAN, I'LL I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL ABOUT THAT AND SOME OTHER ISSUES AS WELL.
THE INSURANCE, IS THAT PER OCCURRENCE? IS IT, UH, DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS POLICY IN THE AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S PER OCCURRENCE.
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OKAY.SO IN THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION, YOU ARE INTRUDE, YOU'RE, UM, INCLUDING NOW THE TERM KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN PARTIES? KEY STAKEHOLDER HOLDERS IS ON THE FIRST PAGE AS WELL, IS IT? YES.
KEY TO, UH, BOLD ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE FIRST.
IT'S, SO IT'S NOT A DEFINED TERM.
I'M SOLELY, I I SHOULD NEVER USE THE WORD ONLY.
IT'S UM, IT'S SOLELY YOU WHO WILL RESOLVE THIS FOR US.
PROBABLY SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE, THOSE TWO LINES SHOULD BE REVERSED.
IT SHOULD BE THE FRIENDS OF ODELL.
SO I PLAN TO RETIRE AT A CERTAIN POINT OR IT SHOULD JUST BE THE PARTIES.
SO IS THAT THE SAME FOR THE TOWN OR IS WE GONNA JUST LIST PAUL AS, AS FOR THE TOWN REPRESENTED TOWN OF GREENBURG? OR IS THAT NO, THE FIRST PAGE, KEY STAKEHOLDERS IS TOWN BOARD.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
AND IT SHOULD SAY, IT SHOULD SAY UNDERNEATH TOWN, UH, BOARD TOWN.
BOARD OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IT SHOULD SAY BOARD OF DIRECTORS, FRIENDS OF ODELL HOUSE.
NOW THE FRIENDS OF ODELL IS THAT EVERYBODY WHO CONTRIBUTES BECOMES A FRIEND OF ODELL.
I SAID IT SHOULD SAY BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
SO IT SAYS SUSAN SEAL PRESIDENT HERE.
IT SHOULD SAY BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
AM I? OKAY, SO I JUST GOT YOU OFF THE HOOK.
UM, DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT TO, UM, PUT A MEDIATION CLAUSE IN THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO DIRECTLY TO SUPREME COURT?
THAT WORK WORKING FOR YOU? WELL, I MEAN, HOW DOES MEDIATION WORK IT OUT? OR AN ARBITRATION CLAUSE? ARBITRATION.
MAYBE JUST ANYTHING TO STAY OUT OF COURT.
THIS IS THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
THIS IS, IF IT'S DIRECTED, IS IT GONNA MATCH? IS IT GONNA MA I JUST WANT EVERYTHING TO BE CONSISTENT IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO THE FRONT PAGE, I MEAN THAT NOTICES ARE GOING TO, TO SUPERVISOR, COMMISSIONER TO KANE.
SO IT IS, WE COULD MAKE THAT TOWN BOARD AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THE NOTICES.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT AND IS IT IS EMAIL NOTICE.
IF SO IT SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY STATED IT.
IT'S NOT, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE A HARD COPY.
SO I THINK I JUST GET CONCERNED.
SO PAUL'S NAME IS FINE HERE, BUT THE NOTICE IS INSTEAD OF HAVING HIS EMAIL ADDRESS, CAN WE HAVE THE TOWN BOARD'S EMAIL ADDRESS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE SEE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT WHOLE WELL WE CHANGE PORTION TO THE, TO THE BOARD.
AND UNDER FRIENDS IT SHOULD SAY BOARD OF DIRECTORS, FRIENDS OF ODELL HOUSE.
BECAUSE AT ODELL EMBO@GMAIL.COM IS NOT MY PERSONAL EMAIL.
IT IS THE FRIEND'S EMAIL, WHICH VANESSA ALSO HAS ACCESS TO AND ANOTHER ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS DOES.
AND UM, ARE WE TAKING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PARAGRAPH, THERE SHOULD BE A PARAGRAPH ABOUT FACSIMILE SIGNATURES OR A SENTENCE ABOUT FACSIMILE SIGNATURES.
SO EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO SIGN THE SAME DOCUMENT, DO YOU THINK? I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER WHICH ALLOWS THAT FROM NOW ON.
BUT I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT AND COULD ADD A CLAUSE ON THAT.
UM, MEANING SIGNING IN MULTIPLE PARTS AND PUTTING 'EM ALL TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NAME,
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TRYING TO FIND IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CLAUSE THAT SHOULD BE IN ALL CONTRACTS THAT SAYS THIS IS THE ONLY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES AND THE OTHER AGREEMENT SHOULD BE IN WRITING SIGNED BY THE PARTIES.WHAT'S THAT CALLED? A CLAUSE? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE TO SAY THE WHOLE THING.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND MY OLD RETAINER AGREEMENTS TO SAY IT'S CALLED.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS THINKING OF.
SINCE YOU'RE MAKING THIS INTO A 20 PAGE DOCUMENT, SHOULD WE ALSO HAVE IN THERE, IF ANY PART OF THIS CONTRACT IS DEEMED UM, YES.
I'D BE SURPRISED HOW THESE LITTLE BLACK LITTER CAUSES CLAUSES IF THEY'RE LEFT OUT.
CLEARLY
'CAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T, AMENDMENT ISN'T THE STANDALONE CLAUSE HERE.
SO IT'S BURIED IN THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS FINE, BUT IT'S JUST THAT, UH, WITH THE WRITTEN CONSENT OF BOTH PARTIES.
AND IN OUR CASE IT SHOULD BE PURSUANT TO A DULY ADOPTED RESOLUTION.
SO WE'RE PASSING THIS BY RESOLUTION.
IT SHOULD BE AMENDED BY RESOLUTION.
I DIDN'T FULLY GRASP THE, UH, THE LAST SENTENCE ON PAGE ONE.
IT SAYS THIS AGREEMENT MUST BE REVISED AND RENEWED IN ADVANCE OF ITS EXPIRATION.
WHAT IF IT'S NOT? I'M SAYING IT MUST BE REVISED AND RENEWED IN ADVANCE OF ITS EXPIRATION.
LET'S GO BACK TO FEDERAL GRANTS.
UM, IF I WERE TO APPLY FOR A FEDERAL GRANT AS A NONPROFIT FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN, THERE HAS TO BE AN EXISTING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE NONPROFIT AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S TRUE OF A LOT OF GRANT APPLICATIONS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR TERMINOLOGY, BUT WHY ARE WE DOING THIS AS AN OVERALL? BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT KIND OF AN AGREEMENT TO GET A LOT OF THE BIGGER GRANTS.
ALRIGHT, SO SHOULDN'T THE PREFIX PREFACE TO THIS BE IF EXTENDED THIS AGREEMENT MUST BE REVISED AND RENEWED IN ADVANCE OF HIS EXPIRATION? THIS IS, THIS IS, OH, I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU WERE SAYING EXTENDED.
WELL IN OTHER WORDS, IT SAYS THIS AGREEMENT MUST BE REVISED AND RENEWED IN ADVANCE OF ITS EXPIRATION.
WE'RE AGREEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO REVISE IT AND RENEW IT.
SO IF WE SAY IF EXTENDED, IT HAS TO BE DONE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? I NO GAP.
I BELIEVE WE ONLY GOT THIS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE WE DON'T KNOW.
OH, WE DON'T NORMALLY, UH, WE DON'T NORMALLY SIT AT THE TABLE AND DO THIS.
SORRY, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN IT USUALLY COMES DOWN TO THAT THOUGH.
ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT BUDGET DISCUSSION.
ARE WE ALL SET? WHO'S, WHO'S REWRITING IT? WELL, COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
YEAH, I THINK WE BOTH HAVE OUR SEPARATE NOTES.
AND WE'LL ALL GET IT, ALL THESE ISSUES RESOLVED.
UM, I HAVE AN APPLICATION INTO WESTCHESTER COUNTY BOARD OF LEGISLATURES FOR A GRANT TO COVER THE COST OF THE MUSEUM PLANNING FIRM THAT WILL ACTUALLY PLAN THE WAY THE PUBLIC EXPERIENCES THIS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PLAN FOR HOW THE IT OPERATES.
AND, AND THE AGREEMENT BEING THIS IS, UH, IT'S LIKE I, THE ANALOGY WOULD BE LIKE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS THIS SPACE WILL BE USED IN THIS WAY AND THAT SPACE WILL BE USED IN ANOTHER WAY.
THIS IS A PLAN THAT SAYS ROOM 1 0 4 WILL BE USED FOR THE HISTORY OF, YOU KNOW, THAT AND IN THE, THE PUBLIC WILL ENTER HERE AND THEY WILL EXIT THERE.
ANYHOW, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING.
THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY EXPERTS.
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WE'VE TALKED WITH THREE DIFFERENT PLANNING FIRMS. ONE THAT DID PHILLIPS MANOR HALL ONE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE STATE, UM, JAY HOMESTEAD AND ANOTHER ONE THAT IS REDOING THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL.BUT THEY ALL PEOPLE THAT OPERATE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THIS IS HOW YOU PLAN A NATIONAL REGISTER SITE MUSEUM.
SO I HAVE AN APPLICATION TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF LEGISLATORS FOR A 20, A $50,000 GRANT TO COVER THE FIRST TWO PHASES OF THIS PLAN.
AND I ASKED PAUL IF HE COULD WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
'CAUSE IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU AS THE OWNERS, AND HE SAID, NO, THE BOARD SHOULD WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS, BUT YOU WOULD NEED A PASS, A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING OUR APPLICATION FOR THIS GRANT.
AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE AT YOUR MEETING NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THE BUDGET HEARINGS FOR THE COUNTY ARE NEXT WEEK AND THE WEEK AFTER THAT IT'S THE 13TH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY PASS A RESOLUTION.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, WE COULD DO A SPECIAL MEETING THAT'S NEXT TUESDAY.
IT'S JUST THE BOARD, NOT THE COMMUNITY.
1213 IS NOT IN TIME FOR THE BOARD OF LEGISLATORS.
I MEAN, I COULD WRITE THE LETTER MYSELF.
I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WOULD PREFER, UH, HAVING BOARD.
DO WE WANT TO SHARE A LETTER OR COULD SAY THE BOARD SUPPORTS IT WITHOUT, UH, RESOLUTION.
WITHOUT A RESOLUTION? MAYBE YOU COULD JUST DO IT.
I DON'T, I COULD MAYBE, WELL I COULD, WE COULD SAY, WE COULD DO IS DO SOLUTION DAY ONE THAT WE ALL SIGN AND THEN WE RATIFY IT AT THAT MEETING ON THE THIRD.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PROCEDURE IS, BUT, UM, PAUL HAS THE BODY OF WHAT THE GRANT REQUEST IS.
CAN I MAKE A DECISION? MAYBE GARY, MAYBE HAPPY TO YOU COULD DRAFT SOMETHING.
WE JUST SUBMITTED IT YESTERDAY.
SO CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION IN THE FUTURE JUST WHEN YOU HAVE STUFF LIKE THAT, IF YOU COULD JUST SHARE.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION JUST FIRST OF ALL, THE LEGISLATURE'S NOT GONNA CARE IF IT, IF WE SAY THE, THE ENTIRE BOARD IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE.
IF WE SAY WE HAD A DISCUSSION AT A WORK SESSION, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD IS, IS SUPPORTIVE AND THEN MAYBE GARRETT COULD DRAFT A LETTER OR I COULD SIGN IT AND THEN GET IT TO THE LEGISLATURE AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
I MEAN TO ME IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME IMPACT.
WHATEVER IS FEASIBLE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO DO A RESOLUTION, UH, AFTER YOU COULD, WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON DECEMBER 13TH.
IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE THINK THE, YOU COULD SEND US THE WORD DON'T.
I WOULD HAVE TO RESOLUTION TOWN BOARD AT GREENBURG AND YI THINK BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY LETTERS THAT GO TO THE COUNTY FROM THE SUPERVISOR.
IF WE SEND ONE WITH ALL OF OUR SIGNATURES, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE HOWEVER YOU CAN EFFECTUATE YOU COULD LIKE TO IT.
IF YOU COULD SEND THAT PLEASE.
IT'S A, I CAN SEND A GENERAL EMAIL.
I DON'T HAVE TO SEND IT TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
TOWN, TOWN BOARD AND THEN WE ALL GET IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVE EVERYTHING FROM EVERYONE THAT IS JUST NOT PARCEL JUST TO SEPARATELY.
SO WE CAN EVERYBODY I WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT.
AND YOU SEND WHATEVER YOU NEED.
IT SHOULD GO TO DAVID IMMAMORA DIRECTLY AND THEN, UM, JEWEL WILLIAMS JOHNSON AS WELL.
WE NEED ALL THE SUPPORT WE CAN.
SO I WOULD LOVE JEWEL TO SUPPORT IT.
TRY LEGISLATOR ZI WHO REPRESENTS PART OF GREENBURG.
EVERYBODY, EVERY, ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET A COPY OF YOU.
CAN YOU SEND IT TO THEM OR DO I YEAH, I CAN SEND IT.
WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER.
IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ONE LETTER.
EVERYONE LETTER ONE CC, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
I'LL, I'LL SEND, SEND THE YOU LETTER THE DESCRIPTION OF THE GRANT REQUEST AND THEN YOU FORMULATE YOUR LETTER.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET TO THE COUNTY BEFORE THEY CLOSE THEIR BUDGET? YES.
THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT WEEK.
WELL, I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, BUT WE COULD DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE MONDAY IS TOO LATE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THEIR BUDGET.
OH, EVEN THOUGH, NO, THE, THE, IT'S IT'S IN THE BUDGET REQUEST.
SO YOU'RE JUST WRITING A LETTER SUPPORTING THAT REQUEST.
I'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION TONIGHT.
YEAH, THEY GET A LOT OF PRESSURE, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET, WHAT'S SHOULD COME OUT OF THE BUDGET.
THEY, THEY ONLY, YEAH, WELL IT'D BE NICE IF IT STAYS IN.
I LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH DESIGNATED WHICH OF THESE FIRMS WE WANT TO USE BECAUSE THE ONE THAT CAN GET THE INFORMATION TO THE TOWNS ARCHITECT FASTER.
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WELL WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.I'M SURE WE'RE READY FOR THE FIVE 30 DISCUSSION.
OH, I'M SURE YOU NEEDED A FIRE IN THE FIREPLACE.
YOU NEEDED, YOU NEEDED THAT UNIFORM.
YOU NEEDED THE, THE COSTUME TO BE IN THE HOUSE.
YOU IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN WARM.
ALRIGHT JOE, I KNOW WE'RE ACTUALLY, I JUST WANNA MENTION, YOU KNOW, BEFORE AT LAST WEEK'S, UH, BE CAREFUL, LAST WEEK'S, UH, WORK SESSION ON THE BUDGET, UM, THE BOARD ASKED ME, UM, UH, TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE $5 MILLION THAT I INCLUDED AND THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, DEPARTMENT, UH, BUDGET, UH, FOR REVENUES WAS ACCURATE.
AND I SENT EVERYBODY A LETTER FROM, UM, UM, AN ATTORNEY FOR, UH, ONE OF THE APPLICANTS INDICATING THAT THE $5 MILLION THAT I PUT IN, UH, THE BUDGET WAS AN ACCURATE, UM, UM, ESTIMATION FOR 2024.
I SENT A COPY TO EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD.
AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WHAT DID YOU SEND IT? I SENT IT WEDNESDAY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WINE GARDEN THING? IT DIDN'T SAY THAT.
NO, IT SAID THAT SUBJECT TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF CAVEATS THAT NO, THERE'S, REGENERON HAS PUT INTO THEIR BUDGET $5 MILLION STAFF HAS CHECKED TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT $5 MILLION IS FEASIBLE FROM REGENERON.
THERE IS A SOME APPLICATION THAT'S COMING IN NEXT WEEK, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS NEXT YEAR.
AND, UM, STAFF CANNOT, CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW THERE'S, BASED ON WHAT THE VALUATION WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR IT TO BE A $5 MILLION BUILDING PERMIT FEE THAT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.
WELL, LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
I UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE $5 MILLION IS CONSERVATIVE.
I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THE $5 MILLION.
BUT, UM, UM, AND, UM, I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS ASKED AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, UH, LAST WEEK, UM, TO PROVIDE MORE SUBSTANTIATION.
I BELIEVE I'VE, I'VE DONE THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, THE BOARD BASICALLY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IF YOU HAVE THREE VOTES.
BUT I, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I PREDICT THAT WE'RE GONNA GET MORE THAN THE $5 MILLION THAT I, UM, UM, INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
AND I BELIEVE THAT I'M VERY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE FUNDING THAT I, UM, YOU KNOW, I INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE BUDGET.
SO COULD YOU WRITE BACK TO THE ATTORNEY AND ASK HIM WHICH BUILDING THAT HE BELIEVES WILL GENERATE A $5 MILLION BUILDING PERMIT FEE? JUST WHICH BUILDING? THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
WE CAN RUN THAT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY'RE SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT, RIGHT? MAKE SURE IT'S NOT IN THEM.
NO, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN $5 MILLION.
SO IF YOU CAN WRITE, CAN YOU WRITE THAT, THAT WRITE BACK TO THE ATTORNEY AND YOU GET THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN UTILIZE THAT.
IT'S ALL ABOUT, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PARKS AND PARK PARKS AND GENERATION PARKS AND RECREATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT GENERATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT SEEMS LIKE NEED RECREATION.
AND THANK FOR ALLOWING US TO COME AND JUST TALK ABOUT REALLY TWO ITEMS IN OUR BUDGET, UH, THAT WE SUBMITTED TO PAUL FINDER'S OFFICE.
AND HE LOOKED AT IT AND RELEASED IT IN THE TENTATIVE, UH, BUDGET.
AND I THINK THAT IT WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT, UM, THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE WELL IN OUR BUDGET.
IF YOU SEE IN FRONT OF THE MEMO THAT I DRAFTED TODAY, UH, DEALING WITH THE, UH, PART-TIME EMPLOYEE LINE THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE DAY CAMP PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.
WE SUBMITTED A REQUEST, UH, FOR $509,945 TO PAY FOR THE, UH, DAY CAMP STAFF, UH, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, UH, TENTATIVELY, UH, IT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED FOR $486,000.
UM, IT'S A $23,945,000 DIFFERENCE.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PAUL AND WE LOOKED, UH, CLOSER AT, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE 509, UH, AND, AND FIND SOME OTHER SAVINGS.
SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING WE HAVE, WE COULD ADJUST IT.
AND, AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IN 2024, NEW YORK STATE MINIMUM WAGE IS BEING INCREASED BY $1.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE PEOPLE BELOW MINIMUM WAGE.
AND I'VE SHARED THAT WITH THE BOARD IN PAST YEARS.
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OUR STAFF ARE ASSISTANT COUNSELORS AND THEY'RE HIRED BASICALLY AT $14 AN HOUR, UM, RIGHT NOW.AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO STAY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET SO WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO APPLY.
'CAUSE WE KNOW AT TIMES THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF FINE PEOPLE TO WORK.
THEY WOULD, NEXT YEAR THE MINIMUM WAGE IS GOING TO BE $16 AN HOUR AND OUR ASSISTANT COUNSELORS ON THE AVERAGE WILL GET $15 AN HOUR.
SO WHY IS THAT? IF IT'S A STATE MANDATED MINIMUM WAGE? THERE, THERE IS A, UH, I I, THERE'S A STATE LAW AND I, I THINK A FEDERAL LAW THAT SAID FOR RECREATION PROGRAMMING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S US OR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WE CAN HIRE STAFF BELOW THE MINIMUM WAGE RATE.
BUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, AND WE HAVE GONE BELOW THAT, BUT IT HAS TO BE REASONABLE.
I MEAN, IT COULD, IT COULD HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
UM, WE'RE FIGHTING, WE'RE FIGHTING IN A LABOR MARKET THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THOSE CHILDREN, YOUNG PEOPLE TO WORK FOR US.
AND IF YOU GO TOO LOW, YOU WILL NOT GET THE QUALITY.
LIFEGUARDS IN PARTICULAR, RIGHT? LIFEGUARDS IS ONE THAT'S, THEY'RE STOLEN, THEY'RE STOLEN BY EVERY MUNICIPALITY.
AND THE SHORTAGE, WHAT STEALS THEM IS MONEY.
I, I, I'M JUST NOT, ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE GOING UNDER THE MINIMUM WAGE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S SET FOR A REASON.
SO, WELL, WE WOULD, IF, IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE IT EVEN MORE, UM, ABOVE IT.
BUT THAT'S A DECISION FOR THE TOWN BOARD THAT IF, IF WE COULD FIND THE FUNDING, WE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH A NUMBER AND TELL YOU THE MAJORITY, THE MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE DO MAKE MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE VERY, THE ENTRY LEVEL.
SO WE WENT IS THAT ENTRY LEVEL FOR LIFEGUARDS AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE DID, WE DID, NOW LIFEGUARDS ARE ALL MAKING MINIMUM WAGE OR MORE.
BUT, 'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T GET ANYBODY ELSE.
BUT WHAT I WANNA ADD IS THAT IN OUR REVENUE LINE, UH, WE INCREASED IT BY, UH, $30,000 AND WE HIT THAT TARGET MARKET THIS YEAR AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, INCREASE IT BY $30,000.
'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONCERNED IT'S TO RAISE DAY CAMP FEES BY $85 NEXT YEAR.
SO I THINK IT'S LIKE WE SAID, 800 AND IT WAS EIGHT 60 THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE GONNA RAISE IT BY $85 PER CHILD.
AND THAT WILL HELP US TO OFFSET THE INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET HERE.
SO I JUST THINK THERE WAS LIKE AN OVERSIGHT, YOU KNOW, ON IT.
AND, AND WE HOPE, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW IS TO RESTORE, UH, ANOTHER $15,000 FROM 4 86 TO 5 0 1.
UM, AND WE FEEL THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THAT.
IF IT'S A CONS, IF WE CAN GET THE 5 0 9 ORIGINALLY, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VERY HELPFUL.
BUT I, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WHY I AM COMFORTABLE, I THINK FOR THE, UH, $14 AN HOUR IS THAT SOME OF THE ASSISTANT COUNSELORS, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM WAGE WE GET 'EM AT 16.
SO IT'S AT IT'S ENTRY LEVEL FOR THEM.
AND, UH, I, AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA WORK FOR US, ESPECIALLY AT THE 16 AND 17 MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IF, IF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO MOVE IT UP, WE CAN.
BUT THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, OVERALL.
AND, UH, BUT IT, IT, IT HAS WORKED FOR US.
SO I, I THINK IF IT BECAME A PROBLEM, THEN WE DEFINITELY WOULD COME BACK AND, AND REQUEST TO RAISE IT ANOTHER DOLLAR.
'CAUSE IF WE DID THAT, THAT WOULD ALMOST LIKE DOUBLE JUST 23 TO LIKE PROBABLY, UH, 46.
RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE A BALLPARK ESTIMATE.
IF WE WANTED, WHICH 23? WELL, IF YOU LOOK IN THE DESCRIPTION I HAD, I SAID WE REQUESTED THIS 20.
IN THE SECOND, SECOND, UH, PARAGRAPH.
WE REQUESTED, YOU KNOW, 5 0 9 AND THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT PAUL SUBMITTED INTO WHAT WE HAD WAS A $23,945,000 DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN TRYING TO LOOK AT OUR STAFFING PATTERNS AND, AND RATIOS, WE FIGURED WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE IT WORK, UH, AT 5 0 1.
SO THAT WOULD BE A $15,000 RESTORATION, NOT THE 23 THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.
SO YOU, I'M SORRY, I JUST NEED CLARITY, JUST SO YOU PARK SUBMITTED THE 5 0 9 AND THEN PAUL YOU CHANGED IT TO 4 86.
AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK.
NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING, RESTORE 15,000 CLOSER TO THE 5 0 9.
WE'RE GO, WE WERE, WE'RE ASKING TO RESTORE $15,000 TO 5 0 1.
WE THINK WE CAN GET BY WITH 5 0 1, BUT THAT DOESN'T, BUT YOU SAID THIS JUST 23 9 INCREASE IN 20 WAS DUE TO THE STATE MANDATED.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THE MANDATE, THE 16 HOUR MANDATE? WELL, WE, WHEN WE DO THIS, UM, WE, WE HAVE TO BUDGET AS IF EVERYONE'S COMING TO WORK EVERY DAY.
AND THERE IS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY ARE SICK.
SO WE FACTORED IN SICK TIME AND THAT WOULD MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE THINK WE COULD HIT THE 5 0 1 MARK.
SO IF YOU WANNA GIVE US A LITTLE CUSHION, THEN I WOULD SAY RESTORE TO THE 23,000 9, 4 5.
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I MEAN, I, IT, YOU KNOW, A BUDGET IS ALWAYS A GUIDELINE AND THE ONE THING WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS, UM, UH, OVER, OVER EXPENSE.AND, AND DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, GINA? UH, YEAH.
NO, YOU KNOW, I, IIII GET CONCERNED IN KNOW HOW MUCH DO WE GIVE IN SCHOLARSHIPS EACH YEAR FOR THE CAMP? LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS AROUND $25,000.
RIGHT? ACROSS HOW MANY, IT'S NOT A SCHOLARSHIP, IT'S FINANCIAL AID.
HOW MANY STUDENTS DOES THAT COVER? DO YOU KNOW? IF I HAD TO GUESS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 25 OR 30.
DO WE GET ANY, UH, UH, FUNDING FROM FOUNDATIONS OR, UH, PHILANTHROPY? UM, FOR, UH, THE SCHOLARSHIPS, WE, FOR THE FINANCIAL AID, WE, WE HAVE, UH, IN THE PAST, UH, GOTTEN LIKE $2,000, BUT NOT, NOT A LOT TO THE METROPOLITAN, UH, A METROPOLIS, UH, COUNTRY CLUB FOUNDATION.
AND, AND WE, WE WENT THROUGH THAT BEFORE AND I THINK THEY'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE ANOTHER DONATION.
AND HOW WE'VE USED THAT FUNDING IS THAT A, A LOT OF FAMILIES WILL COME IN AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, BASED ON FORMULA, THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE BOARD IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL THEY QUALIFY AND WE'VE USED THAT TO SUPPLEMENT IT.
AND SOMETIMES THAT MAKES A REALLY, REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO WE CAN GET, BUT I'M SORT OF WONDERING AS A WAY OF OFFSETTING SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT YOU HAVE, IF WE MADE A, A MAJOR EFFORT, UH, TO GET, UH, ORGANIZATION, SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, ROTARY CLUBS OR KIWANIS CLUBS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FOUNDATIONS TO, UM, HELP, UH, SUBSIDIZE THE, UH, FINANCIAL AID PROGRAM, UH, THAT COULD OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS.
BECAUSE I, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF PROVIDING, UM, UH, CHILDREN WHO NEED THE CAMP AND WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT WITH, WITH OPPORTUNITY, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE OPEN TO, UM, TO FUNDING.
AND THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY WOULD COVER, CAN WE DO THAT? YOU KNOW, THE COST THAT YOU HAVE MINDFUL, UM, THAT'S GREAT.
IT'S JUST HARD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD WRITE, IF YOU COULD WRITE ME JUST SAYING, THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN I'LL TRY MY BEST, UH, JUST LIKE I DID WITH INTERNSHIP.
WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO BE MINDFUL HOW, HOW WE SOLICIT FUNDS.
SO, NO, I'M SAYING, SO I, LET ME JUST FINISH, PAUL, I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION I ASKED THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS, CAN WE SOLICIT FUNDS THAT WAY? AND HIS ANSWER, IF I HEARD YOU, WE JUST HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR CODE OF ETHICS AND ENSURE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OPEN APPLICATIONS OKAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT BASICALLY REACHING OUT TO VARIOUS FOUNDATIONS, UM, THAT MAY BE OPEN TO, UH, HELPING PEOPLE WITH FINANCIAL AID BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SEE ANY BETTER CAUSE THAN HELPING, UM, UH, WITH SCHOLARSHIPS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT.
THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
FUNDING THE PROBLEM IS IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUDGET.
NO, BUT IF YOU, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU BASICALLY WROTE ME WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE, GIVE ME SOME DETAILS, THEN I HAVE BASICALLY A HALF A YEAR TO SEE IF I COULD COME UP WITH, UH, THE, THE DOLLARS.
I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WHERE THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR 2025.
NO, I WANNA START IT FOR 2024.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
NO, BUT IF WE GET THE MONEY, WE'LL GET THE MONEY THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND, BUT, BUT THE BUDGET HAS TO BE APPROVED BY DECEMBER.
NO, I'M, I REALIZE I'M SAYING THAT WOULD OFFSET IT AND THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO HAVE A FUND BALANCE THAT CAN CARRY OVER AND HELP YOU THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO WE ALWAYS CAN USE IT, BUT FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT OH YEAH.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO TO SUBMIT IT.
IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE YEAH, RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE GET THE MONEY, THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, IN THE YEAR, THEN WE'LL, WE COULD APPLY THAT MONEY INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER MONIES FOR THE SCHOLARSHIPS AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE FINANCIAL AID.
SO ARE YOU AT CAPACITY IN THE CAMPS? NO, WE WERE NOT.
SOME CAMPS WERE, AND SOME WERE CAPACITY, SO THEY'RE DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS.
AND SO IF YOU, HAVE YOU DONE AN ESTIMATE AS TO INCREASING THE COST OF CAMP FROM EIGHT 60 TO 9 45? WILL YOU LOSE PEOPLE? AND BASICALLY YOU HAVE NO GAIN? I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL LOSE PEOPLE.
I THINK I, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR PRICE POINT FOR OUR CAMP, RIGHT.
AND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH A CHILD OF THOSE AGES THAT WE'RE COMPETITIVE, WE'RE COM VERY COMPETITIVE.
SO IF YOU HAVE 25 GRAND AND IT'S 30 CHILDREN, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY, UM, COVERING THE ENTIRE COST OF CAMP FOR 30 CHILDREN.
OR DO YOU SPREAD THAT EVEN MORE? IT'S DIFFERENT JUST BASED ON NEED.
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A FINANCIAL AID PACKAGE AND THEN WE, UM, WE HAVE A CHART THAT WE GO THROUGH.AND YOU ARE THEN ASSIGNED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BASED ON HOW MUCH YOU MADE.
SO IT'S, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT.
SOMEBODY MIGHT ONLY GET $200 AND SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT HAVE THREE CHILDREN AND WE COVER PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING.
AND SO THAT, SO PAUL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CONSIDERATION WENT INTO DROPPING IT FROM 5 0 9 OR LET'S SAY FIVE, $510,000 DOWN TO 486? WAS IT BASED ON THEIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNING UP FOR THE CAMPS? OR IS IT THEY DIDN'T NEED THAT MUCH? WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR DROPPING ROBERTA AND THE, UH, MADE AN EVALUATION AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS NEEDED.
SO ROBERTA, HOW WAS THIS, HOW WAS THIS DETERMINED THAT THEY ONLY NEEDED 486,000 THIS YEAR? 7 0 2 0 5 1 9 1? I, I BELIEVE WHAT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WAS PUT PLEASE, I BELIEVE WHAT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WAS THE PRIOR YEAR'S ACTUALS, THE 2022 ACTUALS.
AND THAT WAS HOW HE DETERMINED THAT.
SO YOU TOOK, OKAY, SO IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN A LITTLE BECAUSE THE, BACK IN 2022, IT WAS 449,000 ROUGHLY.
SO, BUT WE HAD 2023 INTIME SEASONAL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M SORRY, I'M LATE TO THE GANGS.
AND, AND I JUST WANT TO ADD, IF THAT WAS, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT.
I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT IS THAT WHEN, WHEN WE DO BUDGET, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WITH THE ATTENDANCE AND WHAT WE HAVE, AND THEN SOMETIMES THERE'S A SHORT, YOU KNOW, A SHORT OF STAFF THAT WE CAN HIRE.
WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, CHILD COUNSELOR RATIO.
I THINK THE COUNTY SAYS IT'S LIKE ONE IN 10 AND, AND WE TRY TO DO IT LIKE ONE AND SIX BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THEM TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD AND SAFE EXPERIENCE.
SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME TIMES OVER THE YEARS WHERE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THAT LOWER THRESHOLD THAT, LIKE, WE LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME THING AT THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES.
SO, SO SOMETIMES THE COSTS DO COME IN LESS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HIRING AS MANY BECAUSE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO, AND THEN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A BETTER, YOU KNOW, CAMP EXPERIENCE FOR THEM.
AND THEN I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IF THE DOLLAR WAS, UH, INCREASE WAS INCLUDED OR NOT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO OVER BUDGET.
SO IF WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, IF I THINK IT'S SAFER TO APPROACH IT, TO HAVE IT IN PLACE.
AND, AND I'VE ALWAYS PRIDED OURSELF AND I, AND I KNOW JOE DOES TOO, IS BEING AS RESPONSIBLE AND, AND, AND WHATEVER WE HAVE FUND BALANCE AND WE TRY TO CARRY OVER.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THOUGH, IN 2022 THOUGH, IN 2020 WE CANCELED CAMP DUE TO COVID 2021.
WE CAME BACK WITH A VERY SMALL CAMP 2022.
WE WERE STILL NOT AT FULL CAPACITY YET.
IT WASN'T UNTIL 2023 THAT WE REALLY STARTED TO SEE EVERYTHING COME BACK.
AND NOW SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE SKEWED.
THAT WAS BY NEXT POINT THAT I WANTED TO GET TO IS YOU'RE USING IT BASED ON 2022 NUMBERS.
ARE YOUR 2023 NUMBERS LARGER THAN YOUR 2022 NUMBERS? THEY ARE, YES.
WELL, WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
SO WOULDN'T THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER, ESTIMATE, RIGHT.
IN OCTOBER 20TH, 2220 IS 4 66.
AND THEN, SO THEN IT WAS UP BY 20 GRAND TO 4 86.
WHICH PAGE DID THAT HAVE? YEAH, WE ENDED, WE DID, TRYING TO GO BACK NOW, WE, WE HAD, UH, INCREASES IN, UH, MINIMUM WAGE AND THEN I THINK IT WAS FLATLINED ONE YEAR.
UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO INCREASE IT FOR ONE YEAR.
AND NOW WE'RE BACK AGAIN WHERE WE HAVE TO INCREASE IT AGAIN.
SO WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT WAS THE COST LAST THIS YEAR? 2023? WHAT WAS THAT COST? WELL, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
UM, IS THIS A PART-TIME? 4 66.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE, A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAD THAT WERE WORKING.
LIKE JERRY SAID, WHETHER OR NOT WE PLAN ON INCREASING THE CAMP, WHETHER WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT THE SAME AND WHETHER WE FILLED ALL THE POSITIONS OR NOT.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE, UH, EXCESSIVE, UH, ABSENTEEISM, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN'T COUNT ON THAT.
'CAUSE WHEN WE, WHEN WE HIRE SOMEBODY, WE HIRE 'EM FOR THE FULL SIX WEEKS.
BUT IF WE HAVE A, A EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF ABSENTEEISM, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAFE CAMP.
SO, AND I THINK, I, I THINK, I THINK FOR ME, I KNOW WE WE'RE LOOKING AT POST COVID, BUT CAN YOU GIMME NUMBERS PRE COVID BECAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO COME BACK, CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU NUMBERS, BUT DON'T FORGET THE MINIMUM WAGE HAS BEEN GOING UP A DOLLAR AN HOUR.
HOW MANY WE'LL ENROLL, YOU KNOW.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING ON SURE.
WE'RE TRYING TO INCH BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE THOSE NUMBERS.
AND, AND 2022, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS.
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CHILDREN, KIDS LIKE NUMBERS AND BECAUSE YEAH.AND THEN THE, UH, OTHER, THE OTHER ONE WAS ON THE A 70 20.
THAT WAS ANOTHER THING BECAUSE OF THE MINIMUM WAGE, UH, WE SUBMITTED, UH, 77,000 AND CHANGE.
AND IT PROBABLY WAS FOR THE SAME REASON ROBERTA MENTIONED THAT THEY PROBABLY REDUCED, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, THE ACTUAL DEBT WE HAD.
AND THIS WAS, AND WE'RE REQUESTING RESTORE
SO THE ACTUAL IN 2022 WAS 63,000.
AND THE ESTIMATE FOR 2023 IS 70,000.
AND IT WAS BUMPED UP TO 72 FOR 2024.
BUT THE ACTUAL, SO WE'VE ALREADY, UH, OVERDONE THE ESTIMATE THIS YEAR WE'RE AT 71,000 AND WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THE YEAR YET WITH SPECIAL REC.
SO THAT ESTIMATE OF 70,000 IS, WAS LOW.
SO WHERE DID, SO WHERE DID THE 22, WHERE DID THE 2070 2000 GO? THAT I UNDERESTIMATED THAT I PUT IN THE 70.
NO, WE PUT IN SE WE PUT IN SEVEN, BUT YOU PUT, WE PUT IN 77,000, QUESTION 77.
BUT MY ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR THAT WE WERE GONNA SPEND WAS 70.
AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT.
SO I UNDERESTIMATED, IF ANYTHING, I PROBABLY SHOULD 70, 73.
SO PAUL, IS THAT WHAT YOU BASED THE 72 1? YES.
YOU GUYS HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS.
I, WE JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY.
SO DOES THIS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE NUMBERS, THE, UM, YOUR OVERAGE, THE, UH, MINIMUM WAGE IT IS FOR US.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO RESTORE THE $76,000, WHICH WAS PART OF THE BUDGET FOR 2023.
UM, NOEL'S CAMP HAS CONTINUED TO GROW AND IT'S ALSO BOUNCING BACK FROM COVID TWO.
AND IT'S HAD DIFFERENT ISSUES TOO, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, UH, FULL DAYCARE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN OFFERED TO CHILDREN.
AND, BUT WE DID HAVE AN UPSURGE THIS YEAR.
AND SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING BETWEEN THAT AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY THESE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT WE NEED THIS 76,000.
SO WHERE DID THE, SO OKAY, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THE 77? WHY, WHY 77? WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK, THE INITIALLY WAS WE ACTUALLY CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO WORK WITH, UH, THE BUDGET HERE.
AND, AND WE KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO SAVE MONEY.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE SHARPENED OUR PENCILS AND WE CAME IN AND WE SAID WE COULD LIVE WITHIN THE 76,000, UM, 1 65 THAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR.
EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GONNA COME IN OVER, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GONNA COME IN OVER YOUR BUDGET, UNDER OH, UNDER YOUR, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IS, DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PROJECT NEXT YEAR BUDGET BASED ON THE, ON THE UNDER AND, AND, AND HOPE THAT TREND CONTINUES.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OF THE BELIEF OF, OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH THERE JUST IN CASE.
AND I THINK THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS A REPUTATION OF THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY FOR PERSONNEL, JUST SPEND IT.
WE, WE DO IT BASED ON OUR NEEDS.
AND I'D RATHER BE, UH, CONSERVATIVE IN CASE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, AN UPTICK IN, IN ENROLLMENTS OR, UH, STAFF, WHATEVER.
AND THAT'S FACTORED IN THE 76 UPTICK.
AND, AND THAT'S FACTORED IN THE 76.
UH, PROBABLY IF YOU KEPT IT LOW, WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO HAVE IT IN THERE.
BUT I, I THINK THAT PUTS MORE OF A STRAIN ON THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND MAKING SURE YOU HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE STUDENT COUNSELOR, I MEAN THE COUNSELOR, UH, CAMPERS RATIO.
WE, WE TRY TO KEEP IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
I, I MEAN, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GET READY TO DO THE CAMPS, I WILL GO BACK TO THE CAMP DIRECTOR, UM, AND I WILL TELL HER, YOU CAN'T HIRE ANY MORE PEOPLE THAN WE HAD LAST YEAR.
OR I'LL GIVE HER A SET NUMBER AND THEN SHE'LL THEN FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT SHE CAN WATCH WITH THAT MANY COUNSELORS.
AND WHEN WE REACH THOSE MAXIMUMS, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE OF SAFETY, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, AMOUNT OF SPACE WE HAVE IN THE SCHOOLS OR BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF COUNSELORS, WE WILL CAP THOSE CAMPS AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT HAS HAPPENED, BUT NOT RECENTLY.
SO JUST IN GENERAL, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY DEAL WITH THE SAME THING WITH THE SUMMER AT THE T-D-Y-C-C.
WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2022 NUMBERS, ARE YOU THEN INCREASING THEM BASED ON THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES? I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY FACTOR THAT IN, BUT THEY ARE BUMPED UP A BIT FROM FROM 'CAUSE WE LOOK AT THE ESTIMATE AND THE ACTUAL AND ESTIMATE.
FROM 2022 THOUGH, NOT 'CAUSE BY THE TIME, BY THE TIME THE BUDGET IS GIVEN TO US ON OCTOBER 30TH MM-HMM.
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THE PARKS AND FOR T-D-Y-C-C.BUT YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT 2022.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE LIKE IT AT TDY YCC, THEY HAVE THE BASKETBALL THAT THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT.
AND THAT COMES LATER ON IN THE YEAR.
WE TALKING ABOUT SUMMER CAMPS THOUGH, RIGHT? CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
THE PART-TIME LINE, EXCEPT FOR THE SEASONAL ONE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR BUDGET THAT'S MIXED IN WITH ALL THE PART-TIME LINE.
SO IT'S A PART-TIME LINE THAT HAS DAY CAMPS IN IT MANY TIMES.
SO LET'S SAY FOR THE A BUDGET, UM, INCLUDING ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMS SHE RUNS.
SO DAY CAMP MAY BE OVER, BUT SHE'S CONTINUING TO RUN PROGRAMS FOR SPECIAL NEEDS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO IT'S A SINGLE PART-TIME LINE, NOT JUST DAY CAMP, BUT YOU CAN TAKE, BUT, BUT YOU'RE TAKING MONIES TO COVER ANY, ANY DIFFERENCES.
IT'S THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF PART-TIME LINE THAT YOU NEED FOR ALL OF YOUR PART-TIME FOR THE WHOLE.
SO THERE'S, SO THERE'S NO BREAKOUT AS THERE'S NO BREAKOUT AND NOT IN THIS BUDGET.
WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU GUYS, YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE.
SO WE SHOULD, YEAH, INTERNALLY WE DO JUST SO INTERNALLY, WE WA WE MONITOR, UH, EACH PROGRAM HOW MUCH THEY SPEND.
I CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH INTERNALLY THE, UH, DAY CAMPS DO.
I CAN TELL YOU INTERNALLY HOW MUCH THE, UH, BASKETBALL DOES.
BUT THE LINE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS BUDGET IS NOT BROKEN DOWN.
WELL, YEARS AGO, UM, I TRIED TO BREAK BREAKDOWN, UH, PERSONNEL BY LIKE BIG PROGRAMS, BUT IT, IT, IT MADE THE BUDGET JUST GET LONGER AND LONGER.
SO ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND I, I THINK IT WORKED OUT WELL.
AND, AND I LIKE THE IDEA WE CONSOLIDATED, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE INTERNALLY, WE'RE HAVING EXCEL SHEET FOR EACH PROGRAM THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASSIGN X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR.
AND, AND JOE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH STAFF, MAKING SURE THEY STAY ONLINE.
YOU HAVE X AMOUNT ON CAMP AND THEN EVERY, YOU KNOW, BIWEEKLY THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE AMOUNT AND IT SUBTRACTS IT LIKE A CHECKBOOK.
I VERY WELL THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE EXCEL SHEET JUST FOR OUR 70 20 BUDGET.
AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN LINE BY LINE WITH EACH ONE OF THE REC SUPERVISORS AND THEIR PROGRAMS AND HOW MUCH MONEY EACH ONE OF 'EM DOES.
AND INTERNALLY, THEY'LL COME TO ME AND SAY, I'M GETTING CLOSE TO MY BUDGET.
BUT IN THIS, IN THE BIG PART-TIME LINE, IT'S ALL LUMP.
IT'S IN HERE, IT'S ALL LUMPED TOGETHER.
ARE THERE ANY PROGRAMS? SO, SO WE HAVE TWO IN THE B 70 20.
THE PART-TIME LINE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO AREAS.
OUR LARGEST AREA IN IN RECREATION ADMINISTRATION FOR THAT IS, IT SAYS PART-TIME.
UH, SEASONAL IS REALLY PART-TIME DAY CAMP.
SO IF, SO WE COULD, IF WE EVER CHANGE THE DESCRIPTION, I WOULD SAY PART-TIME DAY CAMP.
AND THEN PART-TIME IS ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMS. ARE THERE ANY PROGRAMS, UH, RUN BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WITH, UH, LOW, LOW TURNOUTS? AND COULD WE AS A WAY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CUTTING BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMS WHERE WE MIGHT BE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, PAUL, ALL THE TIME.
UM, WE WILL RUN A PROGRAM FOR, LET'S SAY THE SENIORS.
AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT AND YOU MAY START OUT WITH A PROGRAM THAT ONLY HAS THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE IN IT.
AND THEN YOU GIVE IT A COUPLE, UH, UH, TIMES TO GROW.
IF IT DOESN'T GROW, YOU CANCEL IT.
BUT IF IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE, WE EVALUATE THESE PROGRAMS ALL THE TIME, CO ALL THE TIME CONSTANTLY.
AND THEN WHEN WE CANCEL IT, THEN THE MONEY GOES BACK INTO OUR FUND BALANCE.
IT EITHER DOES THAT OR WE TRY AND FIND ANOTHER PROGRAM.
'CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF PARKS AND REC IS TO PROVIDE RECREATION A LOT OF TIMES.
LET ME JUST ASK ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, UM, AND ROBERTA HAS HIGHLIGHTED THIS, IS OUR EXPENSES ARE GOING UP A LOT.
YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I'M PLEASED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL ABLE TO COUNT ON, UM, THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM, UH, PERMIT FEES AND ALL THAT, THAT'S GONNA AT SOME POINT SLOW DOWN.
ARE THERE ANY PROGRAMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSES FOR THE TOWN.
IT'S BEEN GOING UP, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUES.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY, UM, CUTS THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, THAT YOU COULD LIVE WITH.
BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT THE TOWN'S GONNA HAVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GRADUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO TIGHTEN, TO TIGHTEN UP.
OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WELL WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY JUST DID A ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND WE UPDATED IT.
UH, WE WERE A DEPARTMENT OF, UH, 32 2 AND WE NOW ARE A DEPARTMENT OF 24.
WHEN WERE YOU AT 32? WHEN WE WERE AT 32? ABOUT, UH, ABOUT 98.
I SAID BEFORE THAT FIRST BIG, UH, BEFORE, YEAH, BUDGET CRUNCH.
I WOULD SAY REMEMBER 10 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS ONE TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU, YOU ASKED CAN USE THE MIC.
THERE, I REMEMBER THERE WAS ONE YEAR WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HEADING INTO A, UH, BUDGET CRISIS AND YOU ASKED ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO CUT AND WE DID.
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OTHER DEPARTMENTS DIDN'T.AND, AND IT, AND I COMMITTED IT, IT WAS ACCEPTED AND IT WAS A VERY EMOTIONAL MEETING WE HAD IN THE PUBLIC.
AND, AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC ALWAYS BEEN A TEAM PLAYER.
AND, UH, SO, AND WHEN YOU'VE TOLD US IN THE PAST TO MAKE CUTS, WE'VE TRIED TO WORK AS REASONABLE AS POSSIBLE FOR IT.
AND I WOULD LIKE, AND I WOULD SAY ALL OUR BUDGETS TO DATE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN REASONABLE WITH THE, BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE PAD IT A LITTLE BIT SO WE MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE IT, BUT WE DON'T HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE MONEY'S IN THE BUDGET.
WE HIRE IT BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED.
AND, AND I WILL STAKE MY REPUTATION THAT WE'VE ALWAYS STUCK BY THAT.
SO WHERE DOES THE $25,000 COME FROM FOR THE FINANCIAL AID? WHAT? OH, OH, GREAT QUESTION.
UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WOULD LOOK AT OUR REVENUES BECAUSE THERE WAS, THERE WAS PROBABLY ABOUT, I DUNNO, 10 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A LINE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUDGET AND IT REALLY WASN'T LIKE WORKING.
SO YOU DIRECTED US TO KEEP A SPREADSHEET OF EVERY PERSON THAT WE HIRE.
AND IT'S ALL CONFIDENTIAL FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT.
AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS LOOK AT LIKE, HOW MUCH WE'RE SAYING WE WOULD GENERATE IN REVENUE FOR DAY CAMP FEES.
AND WE WOULD FACTOR THAT IN BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE LIKE 500 PEOPLE AT THE, YOU KNOW, $860 PER CAMPER.
WE AVERAGE IT IN WITH THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE WE GIVE, AND WE LOWER THAT NUMBER THAT WE COME UP WITH.
SO WE'RE REDUCING THE REVENUE, WE'RE REDUCING THE REVENUE THAT WE, BY THE AMOUNT ON THE OTHER END, BY THE AMOUNT WE ANTICIPATE GIVING OUT EACH YEAR.
BUT IS THAT WHAT'S CAUSING YOU TO INCREASE THE, UM, COST OF CAMP FOR THOSE THAT, UH, DON'T GET FINANCIAL AID? ARE YOU GOING FROM THE 8, 8 60 TO NO HIGHER? WE, WE FELT LIKE, UH, THE DIRECT COST OF THE INCREASE IN MINIMUM WAGE SHOULD BE AT LEAST BORN DIRECTLY BY THOSE CAMP PARENTS THAT ARE SENDING THEIR KIDS TO CAMP, AS OPPOSED TO SPREADING IT OUT COMPLETELY.
AND, AND THAT'S A DECISION WE MAKE SOMETIMES.
LISTEN, IF WE HAVE INCREASES IN THE LIFEGUARD LINES OR THINGS LIKE THAT AT DIFFERENT TIMES, SOMETIMES THAT'LL INCREASE THE DAILY THAT WE PUT ON FOR THOSE USERS.
IT'S A, IT, IT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS AN EXACT SCIENCE.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE SAW THIS AS A DIRECT CORRELATION TO THE DAY CAMP, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RAISE THE FEES TO THE DAY CAMP TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF COUNSELORS AND PAY THEM MORE.
AND IN 2025, AND IN 2026, THE MINIMUM WAGE EACH YEAR WILL GO UP STILL BY 50 CENTS AN HOUR.
ARE YOU USING THE SAME FORM THAT WAS CREATED YEARS AGO FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE? YES.
WE'RE, I REMEMBER KEN, HE SHARES THAT THING I DID EVERY, WE STILL FOLLOW, EVERY, EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT GETS FINANCIAL AID FROM US HAS A JACKET THAT WE KEEP.
UH, AND THE, IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS, SECRETARY AND ALSO OUR ONE FINANCIAL PERSON.
AND SO WHERE IS THE FUNDING FOR THE FINANCIAL AID FOR THE, WELL, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK OVER THE, LOOK OVER THE, THE RIVER A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHERE DOES T-D-Y-C-C GET THE MONEY FOR THEIR FINANCIAL AID? YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM.
IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE A POOL OF MONEY THAT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THE SAME LINE AS YOU'RE USING FOR DETERMINING THE CAMPS.
BASICALLY, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM, THERE IS NO FUND WE DRAW DOWN ON.
WE JUST, WE JUST, UH, ESTIMATE HOW MUCH REVENUE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AND, AND THEN ON THE AVERAGE, WE'VE KEPT IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE THRESHOLD WE ALWAYS USE WAS LIKE $30,000 OR LESS RECENTLY, AND WE'VE HIT THAT MARK.
AND IF IT WENT OVER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA COME UP SHORT IN OUR REVENUES, THEN WE WOULD'VE COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WE WOULD'VE BE SHORT ON IT.
UM, THE, THE, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR PEOPLE FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IS THEY USUALLY, IF EMPLOYED, THEY GIVE THEIR LAST YEARS, UH, TAX RETURNS.
UM, UH, SOMETIMES WE ASKED, I THINK IT WAS THE PAY STUBS WE HAD OR WHATEVER, AND, AND THEN WE GO RENTAL AGREEMENTS.
WE'VE A FORMULA, A FEDERAL FORM THAT YOU CAN, I THINK, WELL WE, WE HAMMERED THIS OUT.
UH, WHAT, HOW MANY YEARS AGO DID WE DO THIS? YEAH, ABOUT 12, 12, 12 YEARS AGO.
AND SO WE, WE HAVE, THERE'S A FEDERAL FORM THAT THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT, RIGHT? UM, NO, THERE'S A FORM THAT WE ASK 'EM TO FILL OUT THAT LETS US, UM, VERIFY.
SO IF THEY GIVE US THEIR TAX FORM, THEY CAN VERIFY IT.
I THINK IT'S, UM, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CHECK EVERY TIME, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHECK.
AND SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE FILLING THAT FORM OUT.
THEY'RE, LET ME HAVE A, SO, BUT LET JUST FINISH HERE.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF WE'RE NOT AT CAPACITY, BECAUSE
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THIS USED, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS WAS THE JEWEL, YOU KNOW, UM, LES ADLER USED TO SAY IT ALL THE TIME.IT'S THE JEWEL OF GREENBERG CROWN, JEWEL OF GREENBERG, A CROWN JEWEL OF GREENBERG.
RIGHT? BUT IF OUR CROWN JEWEL IS NOT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FILLING THE SEAT, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS ARE TOO HIGH OR WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE, RIGHT.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE, WE'RE RAISING THE FEE SO HIGH THAT, UM, WE'RE STARTING TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THAT MIDDLE GROUNDS.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE PARENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN SOMEWHAT AFFORD IT, BUT IT MEANS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT AN EXTRA MEAL OR WHATEVER, WHAT, YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT UH, YOU HAVE SOME THAT CAN GET THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND SO THAT'S FINE.
UH, BUT ARE WE RAISING, YOU'RE DEFINITELY RAISING REVENUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE INCREASING IT, YOU KNOW, BY WHAT, $85? UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S HURTING US LONG TERM.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T USE THE PARK, THEN THEY DON'T FEEL VESTED IN THE PARK, WHICH THEY THEN SEE THEIR TAX BILL COMING AND HEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT GREAT THING.
THEY'LL SEE FIREWORKS ONCE A YEAR, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UM, AND SO I, I I, I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, PAUL SAID HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, TRY AND FIND THE MONEY FROM, FROM OTHER SOURCES.
UH, AND I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT, IF THAT HAPPENS.
I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT INTERNALLY STAFF, WE DISCUSS THESE THINGS AND WE, YOU KNOW, UH, MYSELF, I I, I WAS A PARENT RECENTLY.
I MAY STILL HAVE 19 YEAR OLDS, BUT THEY WENT THROUGH THE CAMP.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH YOUNG CHILDREN THAT ACTUALLY WORK.
SO WE DO HAVE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS.
EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE ASKING.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE T-D-Y-C-C CANADA FEES THE SAME? NO.
SO COULD I MAKE A, UH, THE QUESTION IS, I FEEL THAT EVERYONE, I BELIEVE IN FINANCIAL AID, SO ANYONE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, GET THE FINANCIAL AID BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANT ANY CHILD IN GREENBURG NOT BEING ABLE TO USE A CAMP.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES ON THAT.
BUT IF A PARENT, UM, SENDS THEIR CHILD TO THE THEATER, YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER CAMP, UM, AND IS CHEAPER THAN THE RECREATION, YOU KNOW, CAMP, AND BASICALLY THEY'RE BOTH DOING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
ISN'T THAT, YOU KNOW, UNFAIR BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF A CAMP IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE, PEOPLE SHOULD PAY FOR THE SERVICE.
AND IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, IMPOSING ON, YOU KNOW, EMBARRASSING THEM, EMBARRASSING THEM OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, OR CREATING ANY, ANY UNPLEASANTNESS, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE EVERYBODY WHO LEGITIMATELY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
YOU KNOW, UH, FINANCIAL AID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING TWO SEPARATE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE, UM, FEES FOR THE SAME CAMP, SERVE FOR THE SAME, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
12 YEARS AGO, 12 YEARS AGO, WE WERE LIKE ON TARGET FOR THERE, AND I JUST, AND IT, IT'S NOT THAT WIDE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER IS I, IS A LOWER, OKAY.
SO LET ME, SO THE TOWN AND, AND WE DO KNOW ALL OUR CAMPS AND EVEN GREENBURG PARKS AND REPS IS SUBSIDIZED, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I LIVE IN A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY AND, AND THEY'RE EXPECTED ALMOST LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT COVER THE DIRECT COST.
BUT LOOK, I THINK, AND, AND THEIR FEES ARE A LOT HIGHER THAN OUR EIGHT 60.
SO DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, LIKE I, IN MY MANY YEARS OF HERE, I KNOW AS FAR AS, UM, THE DATA OF CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITIES HAS GONE UP AND DOWN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ON THE UPTICK OR, OR THE LOW TICK, WHATEVER, BUT I DO KNOW IF, IF, IF WE GET AN INFUSION, YOU KNOW, OF A LOT OF, UH, KIDS ENTERING KINDERGARTEN, WE SEE OUR CAMP NUMBERS GO UP.
BUT THE, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, DO YOU THINK NEXT WEEK WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER? AND THEN WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CAMP, YOU KNOW, THE CAMP FEES AND YOU KNOW, AND HAVE THEM EXACTLY THE SAME, YOU KNOW, FOR BOTH WITH, WITH SCHOLARSHIPS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE TO START LOOKING FOR WAYS OF REDUCING OUR EXPENSES.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO ME, IF THEY'RE SOMEBODY AND THEIR PARENT IS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY SHOULD NOT GET, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BASICALLY, THERE SHOULD BE ONE BOTH USE THE SAME FINANCIAL ASSISTANT FORMS. NO, BUT
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I'M JUST TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, NOT THE SCHOLARSHIPS.BECAUSE THE SCHOLARSHIPS IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GETS THAT.
WHO NEEDS IT? I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO COULD AFFORD, UM, SENDING THEIR PEOPLE WHO ARE SENDING THEIR, UH, CHILD TO A CAMP.
WHETHER IT'S THE THEATER, YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER CAMP, OR THE PARKS CAMP SHOULD PAY THE SAME AMOUNT.
ARE YOU ASKING ME A QUESTION HERE? I ONLY WORK FOR ONE DEPARTMENT.
NO, BUT I'M JUST ASKING, I'M ASKING.
I'M NOT, I, I DON'T FEEL, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SHOULD COMMENT ON ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT CERTAINLY MAKES, MAKES THEORETICAL SENSE.
BUT I MEAN, THERE IS ALSO THE MISSION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES TO CONSIDER, UM, AND THE POP THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT, THAT MISSION TARGETS, WHICH IS ARGUABLY DIFFERENT THAN THE DEMOGRAPHIC.
NO, BUT THAT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
I MEAN, ARGUABLY, I'M, I WOULD DISAGREE.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I'M, BECAUSE BOTH CAMPS ARE, ARE VERY DIVERSE.
NO, BUT, AND, AND ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE, WE WERE CLOSE TO THAT PAUL, AND IT, IT, IT, YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION, ARE THEY IDENTICAL? NO, BUT THE SPREAD IS NOT THAT FAR.
I THINK RATHER THAN BELABOR IT ON THE DISCUSSION NOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GET TOGETHER WITH A, WITH, WITH A, YOU KNOW, A MEETING AT ANOTHER TIME.
WE CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION AND MOVE.
NO, BECAUSE I, I REMEMBER THIS WAS BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.
BUT I, I REMEMBER THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE TYPE OF TOPIC.
LEMME SAY THIS, I REMEMBER THIS WAS DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND I REMEMBER THE GOAL AT THAT TIME WAS TO HAVE THE SAME, THE SAME FEE STRUGGLE.
I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION AND EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME SAID, WE WANNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOVE IT.
WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THE DEMOGRAPHICS COULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT EVERYONE WHO NEEDS FINANCIAL HELP, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD GET IT.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON, NO ONE WHO SHOULD BE DENIED.
UH, THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON WHO SHOULD BE DENIED FINANCIAL AID, UH, FINANCIAL AID, UH, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
SO I FEEL THAT EVERYONE IN THE TOWN WHO BASICALLY ONCE SEND THEIR CHILD TO CAMP SHOULD, SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO, UH, WITHOUT HAVING ANY FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THEM.
WELL, ON THE OTHER HAND, PEOPLE COULD AFFORD IT.
THEN BASICALLY, NO MATTER WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS, THEY SHOULD PAY THE SAME AMOUNT AS ANYBODY ELSE WHO COULD AFFORD IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BIGGEST REASON A PERSON IS TURNED DOWN FOR FINANCIAL AID IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T FILL OUT THE FORMS AND PROVIDE THE PROPER PAPERWORK TO SUPPORT THE FORM.
WELL THEN WHAT YOU, THERE'S SOME FAMILY MEMBERS THAT DON'T WANNA PROVIDE IT.
AND, AND, AND WE'VE ALWAYS, WE, WE, WE MADE SURE, AND, AND THROUGH KEN, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BOARD, WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT FORM.
AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE LIKE 98, 90 8% OF THE TIME COMPLIANCE OF IT.
AND IT'S WORKED, YOU KNOW, FOR US.
AND IT, IT'S A STRICT THING THAT WE HAVE.
I, WHAT I WILL SAY IS NO ONE HAS EVER DENIED AN OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT'S AT THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES OR OURS TO, TO EXPERIENCE.
WE WILL FIND A WAY, BUT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A GUIDELINES THAT WE GO BY.
AND THEN WHEN, IF THEY SAY THEY CAN'T HELP IT, WE TRY TO FIND IF THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO SUPPLEMENT IT SO THEY CAN COME.
I WOULD ALSO SAY, UM, GEOGRAPHICS FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE WHICH CAMPS THEY GO TO IS WHERE THEY LIVE AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO GET IT.
'CAUSE NOT EVERYONE WILL DRIVE THEIR KIDS TO CAMPS.
AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SPREAD OUT.
AND, UH, AND SO I, I, I THINK THERE'S, WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN BETTER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE MORE AND FIND OUT HOW TO GET CLOSER.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES.
AND IF WE RAISE THE FEES, WE TALK TO 'EM, WE TRY TO KEEP THAT WHATEVER DISTANCE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE EVEN HAD THAT DISCUSSION TODAY.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I'VE THOUGHT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE, UM, THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY, THE INDOOR POOL, IS THAT USED IN THE SUMMER? YES, YES, YES.
NO, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE I'M WONDERING, ARE WE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE LIFEGUARDS FROM THE INDOOR POOL? I'VE, I'VE ASKED THIS EVERY, I DON'T THINK, I THINK, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY RAISING ISSUES ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES WITHOUT THEM BEING SITTING HERE.
NO, LEMME JUST, WHICH, WHICH I THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE.
LEMME SAY, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I'M SAYING COULD WE, OF COURSE NOT.
WHEN WE HAVE LIFEGUARD SHORTAGES, ARE WE ABLE TO USE PEOPLE FROM THE THEATER, LIFEGUARDS AT THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER? THERE IS A LIFEGUARD SHORTAGE IN GENERAL.
NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING NOT JUST IN DEPARTMENT ARTS, I'M JUST SAYING LEMME TRY.
I'M SAYING ARE WE ABLE TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND? NO.
NO, THERE HAS BEEN SOMETIMES LIKE WHEN THE POOL, UH, HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR SERVICES THAT WE'VE USED, SOME OF THE LIFEGUARDS THAT COME OVER ON OUR POOL.
BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE HAVING LIKE A, UH, THE, I THINK IT'S A 50 METER POOL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, BY, UH, EIGHT LANES VERSUS OUR OUTDOOR POOLS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEVEN POOLS
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AND IT REQUIRES SO MANY MORE LIFEGUARDS.SO OF THE LIFEGUARDS WE HAVE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S A SMALLER AMOUNT VERSUS THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO RUN OUR OUTDOOR HOURS.
I THINK LAST YEAR WE HAD 90 LIFEGUARDS.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST TO OPEN UP TO PUT THE AMOUNT OF EYES ON THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIRES US IS MANY MORE LIFEGUARDS THAN THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAS TO HAVE.
NO, I'M ASKING IF WE, COULD I EVEN ADD, DO WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF MOVING PEOPLE.
WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT IT HAS BEEN VERY RARE.
WELL, I ALSO WANT TO SHARE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THE NUMBERS OF LIKE 99 LIFEGUARDS, WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE TO GO WITH 99 LIFEGUARDS IS BECAUSE FROM 40, 50 YEARS AGO, OR TO 25 YEARS AGO, A LOT OF, UH, YOUNG, UH, UH, YOUNG CHILDREN OR YOUNG, YOUNG ADULTS, THEY DON'T WANNA WORK 35, 40 HOUR WORK HOURS, WEEKS.
THEY, THEY ONLY WANNA WORK LIKE 20.
AND IN THE PAST WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR A COMMITMENT.
WE'VE HAD TO ADJUST US IN OUR SCHEDULE.
AND IT MAKES IT REALLY, REALLY HARD.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE ALWAYS DOES IS TRYING TO HAVE OUR POOLS SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, AND THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO STAY COMPETITIVE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE ALWAYS TRY TO GO 50 CENTS ABOVE THE MINIMUM WAGE, YOU KNOW, FOR ENTRY LEVEL FOR LIFEGUARDS.
SO THERE'S ONE WE WANNA BRING UP THE LAST THING, THE, UH, THE LATEST STATE MANDATE.
SO GOVERNOR HOOCH WILL PUT OUT A STATE MANDATE THIS WEEK THAT, UM, ALL CAMPS HAVE TO HAVE DEFIBRILLATORS AND TRAINED PEOPLE WITH EACH ONE.
SO WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT YET.
SO RAFS IS GENERAL, WHICH IS OUR RECREATION ASSOCIATION.
WE'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED.
WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEND A CAMP, UH, TO A SCHOOL AND COUNT THAT DEFIBRILLATOR ON SITE AS OUR DEFIBRILLATOR? OR WILL WE HAVE TO BUY ONE MM-HMM.
SO WE CALCULATED OUT THAT WE MAY END UP WITH ANYWHERE FROM 2000 TO MAYBE EVEN $12,000 WORTH OF DEFIBRILLATORS.
I THINK MANY OF US HAVE HAD THAT BEFORE, BUT EACH PERSON IN A CAMP, WHEN A CAMP SPLITS UP AND ONE GOES ON A TRIP, WELL, I HAVE TO HAVE TWO DEFIBRILLATORS.
WE DON'T KNOW YET HOW THEY'RE GONNA ENFORCE THAT.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF LIKE SAY IT AHEAD OF TIME.
WE DIDN'T WANNA PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
IT JUST CAME OUT THIS WEEK, BASICALLY.
I'M JUST SO WHAT TO THAT POINT WAS TRY, I REALLY WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR YOU TO COME TO PERIOD.
BUT WITH THAT POINT, SO HOW ARE YOU, IF YOU HAVE TO BUY THAT 12,000, 15,000, WHATEVER, IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE WELL, THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T PART OF, IF WE DON'T USE IT, YOU DON'T USE THE MONEY.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COVERED WELL, OR THE OTHER OPTION IS JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH CONTINGENCY SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND THEN PRESENT OUR CASE WHY WE NEED TO ADD IT.
IT'S, BUT YOU ALREADY PRESENTED YOUR CASE.
I'M, I'M JUST, WE'RE JUST NOT SURE HOW IT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED RIGHT NOW.
I JUST, YEAH, NO, I I THIS, YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD UNDERSTOOD.
JUST SIGNED THE LOOK, JUST CAME UP, NOTIFIED SHE SIGNED THE LAW.
MAYBE IT COMES WITH STATE AID
OKAY, EVERYBODY FRANCE IS GONNA BE HERE ALL WEEK.
THERE'S A VERY GOOD, THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THOUGH THAT, THAT IT WAS WORSE.
YOU OKAY WITH ME, GOVERNOR? I DO, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A
UH, I KNOW THAT THEY WORK WELL WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND MANY TIMES WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS UTILIZE, LET'S SAY IF WE GO TO SPLASH DOWN, DOES THE, DOES THE DEFIBRILLATOR THAT'S KEPT THERE COUNT? OR OR DO I HAVE TO BRING ONE? AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE BEST WE CAN.
DON'T WE HAVE A DEFIBRILLATOR HERE? I THINK WE GOT IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
BUT YOU NEED RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE IT IS.
DOES ANYBODY, EVERY DAY HAVE WE, UH, HAVE, MAYBE WHEN WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, AT LEAST A REQUIREMENT IF WE HAVE DEFIBRILLATORS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL.
WE DON'T HAVE ANNUAL TRAINING, DO WE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO, JOE, HAVE YOU I'VE, I'VE TAKEN THE TRAINING ON THAT.
WE FOUND IT WAS MANDATORY FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
YEAH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, WE NEED TO FIND OUT THAT MANDATORY.
WE, WHEN WE DID IT, WE HAD SOME EMPLOYEES THAT REFUSED TO TAKE IT.
ACTUALLY, IT, IT WAS, UM, VOLUNTARY NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF LIABILITY.
WHEN WAS, I'M NOT SURE, BUT A COUPLE OF 'EM TOLD ME THEY WERE NOT GONNA RESUSCITATE SIX MONTHS AGO.
MAYBE ROBERTA, HOW YOU USED, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO BE VOLATILE RELATED.
NO, BUT HAVE YOU, THAT'S PERSONAL.
HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOUR STIFF? NOT RECENTLY, BUT I HAVE.
WE'VE HAD, YEAH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY EASY TO USE.
THEY GIVE YOU THE INSTRUCTIONS WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE BOX.
THEY SAY WHERE TO PLACE THE PADS, WHEN TO PRESS THE SHOTGUN.
BUT EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE, DON'T WORRY THE LIABILITY, THE TRAINING.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT.BUT THERE'S A GOOD SAMARITAN LOG THAT MAYBE WHEN WE HAVE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE HAVE THE TRAINING, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
ROBERT, YOU, SO YOU MAYBE CAN INCLUDE THAT.
YOU SAW MY EMAIL ON THE PROGRAM HERE.
WE NEED TO DO EXECUTIVE SESSION 'CAUSE WE HAVE A SEVEN O'CLOCK PLEASE, PAUL.
I MOVE THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOUR FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, DISCUSSING, UM, PERSONNEL MATTERS.
UH, INDIVI INVOLVING INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS AND LE SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.
AND WE'RE ALSO INTERVIEWING PEOPLE FOR DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.
AND WE WON'T BE COMING AND WE WON'T BE COMING BACK.