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UH, WELCOME TO THE TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DECEMBER 12TH, AND IT'S LITTLE UP TO FIVE O'CLOCK.
AND THE FIRST, UH, ITEM IS A CAPITAL ARRAIGNMENT PART.
WHY DON'T YOU PUT THE DATE ON THE RECORD? MIKE'S DECEMBER 12TH.
UH, AND THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE CONSOLIDATED TO RAYMOND PARK.
UM, THAT'S THE, UM, CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THE STATE AND THE COUNTY ABOUT MOVING THE, UH, CRIMINAL ARRAIGNMENTS, UH, AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKENDS, UM, TO GREENBERG.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE, UM, STAKEHOLDERS THE MIDDLE OF LAST WEEK.
ELLEN AND I WERE ON THE CALL AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED TO HAVE THE, UH, WEEKEND AND HOLIDAY CONSOLIDATED ANDRA PART, OR AT, DURING THE WEEK, WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAY CONSOLIDATED ANDRA PARK AT ONE 11 MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, UH, WHICH IS THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE SPACE AND STAFF AND THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
WHAT THEY WANT US TO NOW CONSIDER IS HAVING, UH, NIGHT ARRAIGNMENTS ON, UM, DURING THE WEEK AND WEEKEND AT THE GREENBERG COURTHOUSE.
UH, THEY ARE RESOLUTE IN THAT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO COST THE GREENBERG TAXPAYERS ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT THEY WILL FIND THE FUNDS TO PAY.
SO FAR, THEY HAVE NOT, UH, UH, NO ONE HAS PUSHED BACK AT, AT THE NUMBER WE GAVE THEM.
THEY JUST 'CAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, SO, BUT EVERYONE IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT GREENBERG SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OTHER THAN OUR SHERIFF? WELL, WELL, YEAH.
OTHER THAN OUR, OTHER THAN, RIGHT.
UM, THE, UM, SO INITIALLY WHEN THEY MADE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, ELLEN AND I WERE SORT OF RELIEVED BECAUSE IT SORT OF TOOK EVERYTHING OFF OF OUR PLATE.
BUT THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH WANTING TO HAVE, UH, WITH WANTING TO HAVE, UH, NIGHTS DURING THE WEEK AND ON THE WEEKEND IN THE LOBBY OF THE COURTHOUSE RATHER THAN IN THE COURTROOM.
WHICH I INITIALLY THOUGHT WAS ODD BECAUSE IN IOWA LOBBY YEAH.
IN THE COURTHOUSE LOBBY HOUSE LOBBY.
WHY, WHY RECONFIGURE THE COURTHOUSE LOBBY WHEN IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A COURTROOM?
LIKE WHAT SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW, HOW THEY HAVE THAT IN THEIR HEADS AS BEING SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK.
BUT THEY ACCESS THE JAIL CELLS SUPPOSEDLY TO THE COURT.
SUPPOSEDLY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE THE JAIL CELLS.
THIS NEW PLAN THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE JAIL CELLS.
THE TRANSPORTING OFFICERS WOULD MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE DETAINEES UNTIL THEY WERE ARRAIGNED.
AND THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THEM BACK TO THE, TAKE THEM TO THE COUNTY JAIL OR JUST RELEASE THEM.
SO THEY WANT TO KEEP THE DETAINEES IN THE LOBBY OF THE COURTROOM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE.
THAT'S, I'M, IT'S A VERY SMALL SPACE.
I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY PITCHED TO ME AND I IMMEDIATELY SAID, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT LOGISTICALLY
BUT I WANTED TO TALK WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE ABOUT IT INITIALLY BECAUSE THE SECURITY CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, PARAMOUNT.
AND WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT, HE SAID THAT IF COST IS A FACTOR, IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA RE IT WILL REDUCE THE COST SOMEWHAT.
BUT DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S LAID OUT, THE COST MIGHT NOT BE REDUCED THAT MUCH.
AND HE WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE LIKE YOU, HE NOTED THAT THE LOBBY IS VERY SMALL, IT WOULD NEED TO BE RECONFIGURED AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW MADE SAFE AND ADEQUATE AND, YOU KNOW, SO, AND HE ALSO INDICATED THAT BECAUSE IT'S AN OVERTIME SHIFT, IT MIGHT NOT BE A POPULAR OVERTIME SHIFT.
BECAUSE, AND WHEN, WHEN, WHEN POLICE OFFICERS HAVE UNPOPULAR OVERTIME SHIFTS, IT'S HARD TO STAFF HIM.
SO THAT'S ALSO GONNA BE A FACTOR.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THAT CONVERSATION IS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE STILL THROWING IDEAS AROUND.
BUT I WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND THIS IS THE POINT WHERE IT IS AT THIS POINT.
THE MAJOR CRUZ, HAVE THEY BEEN, IT'LL BE REALLY QUICK.
SO HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY BEEN BACK OR HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUGGESTING THE NIGHT ARRANGEMENTS ARRAIGNMENTS, HAVE THEY SEEN THE SECTION? ARE
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THEY GONNA GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS GONNA WORK, OR IT'S NOT GONNA WORK? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF PUTTING SUGGESTIONS OUT.WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING AN THEY'VE BEEN THERE.
WE MET THERE, MET THERE, THE PERSON WHO WAS CHANGING AND SAYING, OKAY.
'CAUSE NOW THEY'RE MOVING FROM OUT OF THE COURTROOM TO THE LITTLE AREA.
DO THEY EXPECT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING ARRAIGNED TO COME UP THE RAMP, SOME IN HANDCUFFS INTO THE LOBBY WITH THE OTHERS THAT ARE IN THE LOBBY? I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WELL, IF IT WAS AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKENDS, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYONE ELSE IN THE LOBBY.
BUT YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT THOUGH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE WITNESSES.
WE, THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS AND THINGS THAT HAVE FOLLOWED THEM TO THE POLICE, TO THE PRECINCT OR TO THE, TO THE COURTHOUSE.
IF THEY'RE STILL IN, IF, IF THEY'VE JUST BEEN ARRESTED.
SOMETIMES WHOEVER'S WITH THEM WILL FOLLOW THEM IN THE CAR THAT THEY WERE DRIVING DRUNK OR WHATEVER.
THEY'LL FOLLOW THEM AND WANT TO BE THERE FOR THEM.
SO WHERE, WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA BE? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
IF THEY, IF THE POLICE OR THE COUNTY COMES BY A BUS, THEY USUALLY GO IN THE SIDE DOOR.
JUST LOGISTICALLY, JUST IT'S, I'M SURE THEY HAVE SOME STUFF TO WORK OUT, BUT, OKAY.
BUT COULD THEY USE, UH, COUNTY OR STATE POLICE? UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS BEING FIGURED OUT.
YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS, IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE COST, THE OVERTIME, BUT IT'S THE SAME HOWEVER YOU SLICE IT.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT EVEN USING COUNTY OR STATE POLICE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY USE THE COUNTY OR STATE POLICE, THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE UNDER THEIR PURVIEW AT LEAST.
AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T INVOLVE US.
NOW THE CHIEF SAYS THAT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE TRAINED BASED ON OUR FACILITY, SO THAT WE WOULD STILL HAVE SOME INTERACTION.
UM, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE GPD.
OR IT COULD POSSIBLY BE LIKE A HYBRID WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THE GREENBURG POLICE ARE SWAMPED WITH WORK OR WHATEVER, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT.
WELL THE GREENBURG POLICE ALREADY IS SHORT STAFFED.
NO, I'M SAYING, AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO COME UP WITH PEOPLE WHO WORK THE OVERTIME.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY OVERTIME HOURS, BASICALLY.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT ALREADY.
I, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S PUTTING MORE STRESS ON THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR, FOR WHEN WE REALLY WANT THEM OUT.
AND, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE REQUIRED WOULD BE ON US, I WOULD THINK.
BECAUSE IF I RECALL THAT, UM, THE MONIES THEY WOULD GIVE WOULD BE SMALL FIXES AND ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AND STUFF, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S, HOW MUCH IS THE CONSTRUCTION? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO RENOVATE THE LOBBY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENS IN THE CONVERSATION TODAY.
HOW DO YOU RENOVATE THAT? THE LOBBY'S LIKE A PHONE BOOTH? I MEAN, I DON'T RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT, JUST BE AWARE THAT EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION.
BUT I, I'M THINKING THAT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
I WOULD THINK THAT CONSTRUCTION IS A COST THAT THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE BORN BY, UH, YOU KNOW, BY THIS, BY THIS PROGRAM WITH, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING.
BUT THEY ALREADY TOLD US THAT IT WOULDN'T BE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY CHANGED THEIR TUNE ON THAT.
I KNOW THEY NEED, THEY NEED THE BUILDING.
THEY MIGHT, WELL THAT'S JUST YET ANOTHER REASON TO JUST GO AHEAD AND USE THE COURTROOM.
'CAUSE IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND USE THE COURTROOM, ALL YOU NEED IS SOME EQUIPMENT
YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANY CONSTRUCTION.
BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME OTHER ISSUES, LIKE OTHER CHALLENGES.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, STAFF, I LET THE CHIEF TALK ABOUT THAT THOUGH.
STAFF IS A BIG ISSUE, YOU KNOW? YEP.
WHEN YEARS AGO,
IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OVERTIME, YOU JUMP ON IT.
THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE CURRENT WORK.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
THE YOUNGER, YOUNGER GENERATIONS GENERATION, THEY VALUE TIME MORE THAN MONEY.
WE'RE JUST SEEING IT ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY, OH, YOU GET OVERTIME, YOU CAN GET TIME AND A HALF, WHATEVER.
THEIR TIME IS MORE VALUABLE TO THEM.
SO WE'RE FINDING THIS ALL THE TIME AND HOW DO WE STAFF DPW AND ALL.
IT'S NOT SO EASY JUST TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL JUST DO OVERTIME BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS, EVEN THOUGH NOW WE'VE AUTHORIZED 120, UH, SWORN OFFICERS.
AND SO I THINK WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AS TO HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK.
AND THE CHIEF HAS GOTTA BE A MAJOR PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
WELL, KEN, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
HE'S JUST LIKE, LEMME JUST PUT
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THIS ON YOUR PLANE.WHAT OTHER STUFF YOU WANNA PUT THIS ON? YEAH.
HOW ABOUT MARK LUTHER KING BOULEVARD? IT'S OVER THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE READY TO GO NEXT? OKAY.
NEXT ON THE LIST IS THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY SAVAGE.
I, I HAVE COPIES OF A 1965 COOPERATION AGREEMENT THAT I COULD PASS AROUND.
I, WELL, WHAT'S BEING CALLED THE 1965 COOPERATION? WELL, I, I THINK I JUST FOUND SOME INFORMATION AS WE'RE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY.
AND MAY I HAVE ONE? I OH, YOU PASSED IT DOWN.
OH, YOU TURNED INTO, ALL RIGHT.
SO THIS, THIS IS A CONTINUING DISCUSSION FROM LAST WEEK WHEN, WHEN MR. SAVAGE CAME IN AND ASKED FOR AN UPDATED LETTER EXTENDING THE AMOUNT OF YEARS FROM, UM, FOR THEIR MORTGAGE FOR A PILOT AGREEMENT, FROM 32 AND A HALF YEARS TO 40 YEARS.
AND THROUGHOUT THE PAST WEEK, I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH ON THE TOPIC.
AND SO HAS, UM, THE ASSESSOR AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE JUST TRYING.
LISA, DO YOU WANNA COVER JUST, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS AGREEMENT ENTAILS AND, UM, IF IT, IF IT'S THE MOST ACCURATE AGREEMENT.
AND ONE OF THE GREAT CONCERNS WE HAD WAS IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, PAGE ONE SAYS 1958, PAGE TWO SAYS 1955 REVISED 1963, PAGE THREE SAYS 1955.
UM, THAT JUST SEEMS VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT DATES.
AND THEN IT'S DATED AT THE TOP, THE 3RD OF DECEMBER, 1965.
ALSO, EARLIER COPIES, UH, SINCE FOUND BETTER COPIES HAD HAD WORDING CUT OUT FROM THE BOTTOM OF IT.
SO IT KIND OF MADE IT SEEM LIKE IT WASN'T A CONTINUOUS DOCUMENT MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHAT I JUST FOUND, UH, MR. SAVAGE AND I HAD A CONVERSATION A LITTLE WHILE AGO, AND WE BOTH KIND OF SAID, WE WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THOSE DATES EXACTLY ENTAILED, BUT HE POINTED OUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S A FORM THAT EXISTS AT THE 24 8 1.
THE PHA REFERS TO THE PUBLIC HOUSING ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WAS THE PREDECESSOR OF HOOD.
SO YOU SEE IT'S A FORM DOCUMENT, WHICH IS FILL IN THE BLANK.
SO I KIND OF HAD THE SAME SUSPICION AT SOME POINT TOO, THAT MAYBE IT'S IN REGARDS TO THE FORM.
AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING I, I KEPT GOING THROUGH, I JUST FOUND ANOTHER COOPERATION AGREEMENT, UM, DATED AUGUST OF 66, WHERE PAGE ONE, IT HAS SEPTEMBER 58, PAGE TWO, IT HAS DECEMBER 55, REVISED 63, THE EXACT SAME DATES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.
UH, PAGE THREE, DECEMBER, 1955, PAGE FOUR, JULY, 1961.
UH, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY, DIFFERENT COMPANY ALTOGETHER.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M STARTING TO THINK THAT THOSE DATES DO GO TO THE FORM ITSELF AND NOT TO THE DOCUMENT.
AND USUALLY I DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS
I LITERALLY FOUND IT WHILE SITTING HERE.
AND MY SUSPICION IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BACK IN THAT DAY, AND PROBABLY TODAY, ISN'T NECESSARILY VERY CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF WHAT IT DID OR WHAT IT DOES TO CHANGE DOCUMENTS OR CHANGE AMENDMENTS.
SO EVERY TIME IT REVISED A FORM, UH, OR REVISED A PAGE, IT PUT THE, A DATE THAT THE PAGE WAS REVISED AND NES DIDN'T NECESSARILY, WASN'T NECESSARILY CONSISTENT IN GOING THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.
AND THE, THE REALLY CONFUSING, CONFUSING PART WAS THAT PAGE TWO AS AN ORIGINAL DATE THEN SAYS REISE 63, WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER THREE PAGES.
AND THAT FALLS IN LINE WITH THIS OTHER COOPERATION AGREEMENT I FOUND AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE WE'VE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN LEFT OUT.
SO ON PAGE ONE, THE LAST SENTENCE ON PAGE ONE ENDS WITH, OR, AND IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ON PAGE TWO, I COULD SEND YOU ANOTHER COPY.
THERE IS, THERE IS A LINE, THERE IS ANOTHER LINE THAT'S THERE THAT'S IN ANOTHER VERSION.
UM, THE, THE OTHER AGREEMENT, NOT ANOTHER VERSION.
THE WORD, IT'S THE WORDS ARE THE SAME.
BUT ON THIS COPY ON PAGE THREE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS MISSING.
SEE THIS HERE? RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
LET ME CHECK THE OTHER, CHECK COPY.
UM, THIS COOPERATION AGREEMENT, CITY OF HUDSON HOUSING AUTHORITY WITH THE CITY OF HUDSON.
COULD YOU SEND THAT TO US? YES.
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AND THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND.YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF DOCUMENTS,
AND I DID JUST SEND THAT AROUND VIA EMAIL FOR ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT NOW.
I SAID THAT, AND TODAY YOU FOILED, UM, DOCUMENTS REGARDING WAIVERS FOR THE PAYMENTS FOR PRIMARY.
UM, I LOOKED AT A, UM, A WAIVER BACK IN THAT THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED FOR THE WAIVER OF PILOT PAYMENTS FOR THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY BASED UPON THE DECEMBER 3RD, 1965, UM, COOPERATION AGREEMENT.
AND IT REFERENCES, UM, AMENDMENTS THAT APPARENTLY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE EVERY TIME THE TOWN BOARD WAIVED, UH, THE PILOT PAYMENTS.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS LOOK LIKE.
SO THE RESOLUTION IS SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT AMENDMENTS.
THE RESOLUTION SPEAKS TO AMENDMENTS, SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE WAIVER RESOLUTION.
SPECIFICALLY SAYS EVERY TIME THEY WAIVED THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED A WAIVER.
THE COOPERATION AGREEMENT WAS AMENDED.
I WOULD SUSPECT IT WAS AMENDED SIMPLY TO SAY THE PAYMENTS WERE WAIVED.
BUT, BUT THAT DOCUMENT WE DON'T SEEM TO, BUT THOSE DOCUMENTS, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE AVAILABLE SOMEHOW.
THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR RECORDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE.
SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GET THOSE TO SEE WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
'CAUSE IN HERE IT TALKS ABOUT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PAYMENTS, BUT AT LEAST WE FIGURED OUT THE MYSTERY OF THE DATES
THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MOMENTS, MOMENTS AGO, APPARENTLY.
AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT.
RIGHT? I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WHEN KEN STARTED DISCUSSING THE CONSOLIDATION ARRAIGNMENT PARTY
OH, YOU WERE JUST DOING IT HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING AT IT JUST AS A LAST SECOND GASP TO, BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH KIND OF THINKING THE SAME THING IN TERMS OF BEING FORMED.
BUT THAT, THAT PAGE TWO REVISED WAS WHAT WAS VERY CONFUSING.
IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE TWO WAS REVISED, BUT NOT THE REST.
BUT IT FOLLOWS WITH THE OTHER MM-HMM.
BUT AT LEAST ALL OF THOSE PAGE NUMBERS PRECEDE 1965.
WHAT IS ALSO A, YOU KNOW, CAUGHT ME IS THAT THERE'S A PLACE FOR A SEAL ON THIS THING AND THERE'S NO DATE.
WE WOULD NEVER DO THIS THIS WAY.
OH, ON THIS ONE, CAN WE CONFIRM, CAN WE EVEN CONFIRM THAT THIS IS REALLY FOR GREENBERG? 'CAUSE IT HAS A MAYOR TITLE, NOT A SUPERVISOR TITLE.
NO, THAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CITY HUDSON ONE.
IF I UNDERSTAND JOE CORRECTLY, HE'S SHOWING TO ME THE FORMS ARE CONSISTENT.
SO ALL THE STRANGE DATES THAT ARE AT THE TOP THAT WE THOUGHT THIS IS, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER.
JOE WAS ABLE TO, MOMENTS AGO, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING ALL WEEK, THIS IS KIND OF ODD THAT I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE LAST WEEK WHEN WE MET, DIDN'T WE SAY THAT WE HAD LIKE A DEADLINE OF LIKE TODAY OR TOMORROW? TOMORROW.
SO BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOW AND TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S LIKE PLAN B? BECAUSE WE, YOUR, YOUR MAIN THING IS YOU, YOU NEED SOMETHING BY TOMORROW.
AND IF YOU, YOU, IF YOU DON'T GET THAT, THAT COULD JEOPARDIZE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE RAMIFICATIONS IF YOU DIDN'T GET, WELL, THE, THE RAMIFICATION IS THAT THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, WILL NOT RECEIVE ITS DEVELOPER'S FEE OF MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO, SO WE REALLY HA SO I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE, WHAT COULD WE DO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE MILLION DOLLARS?
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DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DOCUMENT ITSELF OR ANY, ANYTHING CONTAINED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT? YEAH, BUT I'M, I'M JUST LIKE NERVOUS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE LIKE A HOLDUP AND THEN YOU'LL LOSE A MILLION DOLLARS.JUST, JUST EVEN ON PAGE THREE, THE LAST SENTENCE.
IT, IT HAS A WHOLE OTHER CLAUSE C AND THE BOTTOM OF THAT IS PAGE THREE.
MAYBE WE COULD READ IT PAGE THREE, BUT MAYBE I'D HAVE TO INCREASE.
SO I THINK, I THINK SO I THINK WHAT WE ASKING JOE IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS WHAT THEY NEED? AND IS IT IS AND IS THE TIMEFRAME DOABLE? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE STILL LOOKING UP TO THE VERY LAST HOUR OF FRAME FINDING OUT WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S CORRECT, WHAT'S RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE ANY ISSUES COMING BACK TO US AND SAY, WE NEED THIS, WE NEED THAT.
SO I WANT US TO MAKE SURE, DID WE CLEAN SOON AS WE, SOON AS WE SIGN OFF FOR ANYTHING AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO THAT WE'RE CLEANING.
YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH.
UH, THE, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UH, SOMETHING CALLED 40 YEARS.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE YOU SAY COMING BACK THAT I'M NOT COMING BACK FOR ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO THIS MATTER.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I NEED.
SO THEN, ALRIGHT, SO THEN NOW I'LL, I'LL CHANGE MY, I'LL SWITCH MY COMMENT OVER TO YOU, JOE.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD? THAT ALL THE AGREEMENTS IS CLEAN AND IF ANYTHING COMES BACK IN 40 YEARS AND WE'RE ALL SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE, OH, FU FUTURE AGREEMENTS WON'T LOOK LIKE THIS.
WON'T LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT WE'LL BE CLEAN GOING FORWARD ONCE WE RESOLVE WHAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
I THOUGHT FUTURE AGREEMENTS IN TERMS OF OTHER PILOTS WON'T LOOK LIKE THIS IN TERMS OF THIS.
IF WE ARE SIGNING OFF ON THIS NOW, THEN THAT WILL BE THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS.
UM, DO YOU AGREE THE STATEMENT THEY'RE ASKING US TO MAKE IS THAT THIS IS EXEMPT FROM TAXES FOR 40 YEARS.
DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS AS LONG OR DID YOU CONCENTRATE SO MUCH ON THE UPPER CORNER? YEAH, NO
SO THAT'S CONTINUED TO HAPPEN SINCE 1965? CLEARLY THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT PUBLIC AUTHORITY IS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY OWN THE LAND? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THEN I AM FINE WITH THAT PROVISION THAT IT'S EXTENDED 32 AND A HALF YEARS TO 40 YEARS.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THE REST OF IT KIND OF RESOLVED.
AND I WILL SEND THE COPY AROUND THAT.
THOSE SO THAT'S ALL YOU REALLY NEED? IS THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU DON'T NEED THIS WHOLE LETTER.
RIGHT? WHY, WHY DOES THAT I I CAN, I CAN LIVE WITH A RELIANCE LETTER SAYING IN ESSENCE THE 32 AND A HALF YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS REFERRED TO IN THE WHATEVER THE LETTER IS DATED.
UH, HIS HEREBY CHANGED OR HEREBY CAN BE REFERENCED TO 40 YEARS.
I MEAN, I DON'T NEED THE FULL TEXT OF THE LETTER AGAIN.
NO, BUT, BUT WHAT YOU BASICALLY NEED IS THAT THIS IS TAX EXEMPT FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS.
SO I THINK WE COULD AGREE TO THAT, THAT IT'S NOT A HEAVY LIFT.
IT'S NOT, I COULD SEND THAT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BOARD IF YOU'RE GIVING ME AUTHORITY NOW.
SO YOU HAVE IT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, AND CAN GO TO CLOSING AND PUT IN THERE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, AND THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE, DO WE RATIFY THAT THROUGH A RESOLUTION? THROUGH A RESOLUTION? IN OTHER WORDS, GIVE IT TO YOU AND THEN RATIFY IT SO IT HAS SOME BASIS.
'CAUSE THIS OTHER ONE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A BACKUP TO IT.
WELL, THAT'S THE, WELL, WHY DON'T WE FIGURE THAT OUT? THE MAIN THING YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOU GET YOUR LETTER.
THAT'S THE MAIN THING I CARE ABOUT.
SO WHY DON'T YOU WORK THAT OUT? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET.
HOW ABOUT, OKAY, SO I THINK WE HAVE A PLAN.
I THINK HE'LL HAVE TO LETTER TONIGHT.
JOE'S GONNA WRITE YOU THE LETTER TO CHANGING 32 TO THE 40, 40 YEARS.
AND, AND THAT IT'S GONNA REMAIN A, A TAX EXEMPT.
THAT LINE THAT'S IN THERE COULD MAKE IT 40 YEARS INSTEAD OF 32.
AND THEN WELL, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'RE TWO SEPARATE PLACES.
IT APPEARS THOUGH, IN THE LETTER.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING PUT ON MY BEAUTIFUL LETTER HEAD.
I PROMISE YOU THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT HANDS.
HAVE A GREAT MR. HAVE A HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.
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UH, WE HAVE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET DISCUSSION.IS ROBERTA HERE? WHERE IS MINE? YES, SHE IS.
AND SHE APPEARS I GOTTA CLEAN MY GLASSES.
DID YOU CALCULATE THE LEVY? THE LEVY HASN'T CHANGED.
STILL $998 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE LEVY.
YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED THE RATES.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST GO SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED.
WELL, THE ONE THING, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT IN PARTICULAR, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING, PUTTING THE $5.18 MILLION FOR INCREASE IN THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE EXHAUSTED, UM, WITH REGENERON, UH, WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE.
THEY EXPECT TO COME IN IN 2024 WITH A, THE LOGISTICS BUILDING, WHICH MAY BE SLIGHTLY UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S BASICALLY A STORAGE STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT $5.18 MILLION INCREASE.
I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER LIKE THAT UNLESS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD BACK IT UP.
I, I'VE, UH, SPOKEN TO PEOPLE, UH, AFFILIATED WITH REGENERON.
I I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING, UH, MORE THAN 5 MILLION.
UH, AND UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T, WHICH BUILDING? WHICH BUILDING? I, I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM, THEY DO NOT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE SPECIFIC WITH, I'M VERY CONVINCED THAT WE'RE GONNA GET MORE THAN 5 MILLION.
THAT MY BUDGET ACT, MY PROPOSED BUDGET WAS, UM, WAS ACCURATE.
I MEAN, IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE IT OUT, UM, WE'LL HAVE MORE FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY, UH, I MEAN I REALLY BASICALLY THINK THAT MY NUMBERS ARE CONSERVATIVE AND I, AND I AM VERY CONVINCED THAT WE'RE GONNA GET MUCH MORE THAN WHAT I PUT IN.
WELL THEN THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO US ONCE WE RECEIVE IT.
BUT WE, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMITMENT FROM THEM IN WRITING OF ANY KIND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT NECESSARILY QUESTIONING THAT YOU HAD THE CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, A CONVERSATION OR CONVERSATIONS CANNOT BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR US TO BASE THE BUDGET ON.
WELL, AGAIN, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
BUT IF YOU HAD INFORMATION, YES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE NINE BUILDINGS, IF YOU HAD INFORMATION, IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO SAY, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T SAY THAT TO THE STAFF IS IT'S PROPRIETARY.
WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
STAFF KNOWS WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES EQUAL TO $5 MILLION, I THINK THAT WOULD EQUATE TO THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO BE A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS.
THEY CAN'T KEEP THAT A SECRET AND EXPECT TO HAVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES IN 2024 BECAUSE BEFORE THEY PAY BUILDING PERMIT FEES, THEY HAVE TO COME IN, IDENTIFY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, GO THROUGH ALL THE BOARDS, GO THROUGH SEEKER.
THAT'S NOT GONNA GET DONE IN 2024.
AND IF IT IS, IF THEY ANTICIPATE THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD AN ATTORNEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE $5 MILLION IN THEIR BUDGET FOR PERMITS, BUT THAT ALSO APPLIES TO THEIR PRO THEIR PROPERTY AT MOUNT PLEASANT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY HAVE $5 MILLION THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT GREENBERG.
I KNOW, BUT AGAIN, IT'S VERBAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING.
UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN SUPERVISOR, I HAVE NEVER OVERESTIMATED BUILDING, UH, PERMIT FEES.
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WE GET MORE THAN, UH, THAN IT'S IN THE BUDGET.I'M, UH, STATING THAT I I FEEL VERY, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET WHEN YOU SAY, UH, SALES TAX REVENUE, MORTGAGE TAX, REVENUE, UM, UH, REVENUES, EXPENSES, EVERYTHING IS ESTIMATES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE BUDGET DOCUMENT IS BASICALLY ALWAYS A WORK IN PRO WORK IN PROGRESS.
SO, UH, THERE'S NEVER TOTAL COMMITMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CHANGE ORDERS DURING THE YEAR.
I AM VERY CONVINCED THAT THE DOLLARS THAT I PUT IN THE BUDGET ARE, UM, ARE ACCURATE.
AND I'M NOT BASICALLY, UH, JUST COMING UP WITH A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CONFERRED WITH PEOPLE WHO, UM, REPRESENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPANY.
AND AGAIN, IF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, I CAME IN WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, ALL YOU NEED IS THREE VOTES.
SO I TOLD YOU I'M CONVINCED THAT 5 MILLION IS, IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.
ACTUALLY, I THINK PROBABLY THE 5 MILLION IS LOW.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 5 MILLION.
BUT, BUT, UM, BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND WANT IT TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, CAREFUL.
BUT IF THE BOARD BASICALLY DOESN'T WANT TO, WANTS TO TAKE IT OUT, THAT'S FINE WITH THAT.
WELL, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, PAUL, LET'S, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE SO, BUT I THINK THAT I, FOR ONE, WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF I HAD SOMETHING MORE TANGIBLE.
AND AS LONG AS WE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO AFFECT, UM, AND, AND WE'LL BE IN, IN OKAY SHAPE, THEN I THINK THAT LET'S BETTER PLAY IT BETTER SHAPE THAN SORRY.
AND IT'LL BE A GREAT BONUS IF SOMETHING COMES THROUGH.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, ELEANOR, AND WE'VE ALL HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.
SO, SO WHERE WOULD, IF YOU, WE TAKE OUT THE 5 MILLION, THEN WHERE DOES THE 5 MILLION GO? IT WOULD BE A USE OF FUND MALS.
THAT'S HOW IT'S REALLY, IT, IT'S ALL SEMANTICS.
WHETHER IT'S 5 MILLION IN, IN, UH, IN BUILDING PERMIT FEES OR TAKING 5 MILLION AND BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING ANY, IT'S, IT'S NO BIG D THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN REALITY.
RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOTTA BE USING MORE FUND BALANCE THAN WE HAD ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.
IF IT NOT, LIKE THE FUND BALANCES WOULD BE HURT BY IT BECAUSE WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE ONLY.
AND IF THOSE FEES COME IN, YOU GOT, WE CAN REPLENISH THE FUND BALANCE.
SO THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAD, I'M JUST SPEAKING NO, PAUL, YOU CAN SPEAK.
WHEN I DID THE BUDGET AND THE REASON I ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, HAD BEEN STRESSED OUT OVER THIS IS I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE TAKING AN ADDITIONAL 5 MILLION.
I THINK FROM A FISCAL MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, IF I FELT WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE 5 MILLION, UM, I WOULD'VE BEEN NERVOUS BECAUSE I FEEL THAT WE'RE RELYING TOO MUCH ON SAVINGS TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXPENSES OF THE TOWN.
SO DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM.
SO I, SO I FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IRRESPONSIBLE.
I WOULD'VE NEVER HAD COME UP WITH A BUDGET IF I DIDN'T FEEL THAT I WOULD'VE MADE CUTS.
I WOULD'VE TOLD ALL DEPARTMENTS HEADS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RELYING SO MUCH ON FUND BALANCE.
WELL, WE, WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND.
I THINK THAT WE, OKAY, LET 'EM, LET 'EM FINISH HERE BECAUSE ALL NO, I REALLY WAS, I WOULD'VE BEEN NERVOUS BECAUSE I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPENSES ARE, ARE MORE THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUES AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, RIGHT? SO I THINK, I THINK TO THAT, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US IF WE JUST PASSED SOMETHING AND WE HAD NO EVIDENCE, ANY BACK OF DOCUMENTATION TO SAY HERE'S A POTENTIAL OF SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE VERIFIED WITH THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, WHICH VERIFIED WITH THE VENDOR REGENERON, WHO YOU MENTIONED.
SO HERE WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, IT WILL REALLY, WE JUST HAVE NOTHING TO BASE THAT NUMBER ON.
WELL, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A, A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, JUST, SO BASICALLY, UM, LET'S ASSUME WE TAKE OUT THE, USE THE 5 MILLION FROM THE FUND BALANCE.
THEN HOW MUCH FUND, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, UH, FUND BALANCE WILL WE HAVE LEFT? ABOUT 14 MILLION.
AND HOW MUCH DID WE HAVE LAST YEAR? I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT IT'S WELL ABOVE THE FLOOR.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THIS BOARD FEELS THAT MY NUMBER IS INACCURATE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE BOARD IS CORRECT.
MM-HMM,
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AND, UM, AND THEN I FEEL THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS IF THE BOARD IS CORRECT.I, I BELIEVE THAT MY NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, ARE CORRECT.
AND I FELT THAT IT WAS FISCALLY PRUDENT.
BUT I'M JUST, I JUST FEEL IF, IF, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN MY NUMBERS, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT CUTS IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS RATHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN ALL THESE ADDITIONS BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE PROBABLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ADDITIONS THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THAT THE, THE, UM, GREENBERG AND THE GOVERNMENT WORKING WELL OPERATIONALLY IS A KEY, UM, FACTOR HERE.
SO WE HAD, IF, IF THE ADDITIONS IMPACT HOW WE ARE GOING TO FUNCTION AS A TOWN, THEN I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT JUST ARBITRARILY MAKING THOSE CUTS.
BUT, BUT I, I, I'M NOT EVEN ARGUING MY POINT.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU ARGUING YOUR POINT.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT 'CAUSE YOU ASKED, BUT DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT, DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IS IT, DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE OR NO, IT DO, IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
YOU, YOU BOTH HAVE GOOD POINTS.
YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT.
YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU JUST DON'T WANNA PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PAY OUT SO MUCH MONEY AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT.
SO WHAT IF THE 5 MILLION YEAR, IF WE, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A GOOD SPOT.
I MEAN,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIX A BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IN THE, THE, THE, THE FEW WEEKS THAT THE TOWN BOARD GETS THIS.
UM, I, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY FOR NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET, THIS IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER, RIGHT? AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS A SPREADSHEET AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME AS TO WHERE ARE YOU IN THE PROJECT.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE DOING INSPECTIONS.
THEY KNOW WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE BIG PROJECT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GO INTO MAJOR BUILDING PERMITS.
THEY COME UP WITH A SPREADSHEET.
UM, LIZ GARRITY, WHO DOES THAT SPREADSHEET IS, UH, VERY, UM, VERY, UM, THOROUGH, THOROUGH AND MAKE AS, AND, AND YOU SAW WHEN SHE WAS HERE AT THE WORK SESSION WHEN SHE FOUND OUT THAT HER NUMBER WAS INFLATED BY FIVE, 5.1 MILLION $8, I THINK, UH, BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T BACK IT UP.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GONNA BE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU MEET YOUR REVENUE TARGET? WHICH WAS THAT NUMBER? I WOULD RATHER, AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T BACK UP THAT'S DOESN'T MAKE IT TO HER SPREADSHEET.
UM, AND THEN SAY, OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO USE MUCH IN FUND BALANCE BECAUSE YOU PAY FOR THAT AT THE END.
BECAUSE IF THOSE NUMBERS DON'T COME IN, YOU NOW HAVE A $5 MILLION SHORTFALL, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
AND SO YOU EITHER PAY FOR IT NOW OR YOU PAY FOR IT LATER.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE 11TH HOUR HERE, WE NEED TO, UH, DRAW FROM FUND BALANCE TO DO THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS IF I KNOW A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S VERY GOOD AT HER JOB AND HAS DONE THIS CONSISTENTLY YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, UM, UM, I'VE GOTTA BACK UP HER NUMBERS.
BUT LE LET ME SAY SOMETHING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, UM, WHEN WE HAD THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAID, UM, SAME PERSON SAID ABOUT $4 MILLION IN, IN BUILDING PERMIT FEES WE'RE WE GOT, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL HAVE $16 MILLION, ONE $6,000,016 MILLION INSTEAD OF $4 MILLION.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSIONS A YEAR AGO.
I'M CONVINCED THAT THE NUMBERS THAT I GAVE YOU ARE FISCALLY PRUDENT AND CONSERVATIVE.
I WOULD NOT HAVE COME UP WITH A BUDGET IF I DIDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT I'M GIVING IS ACCURATE.
BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T, AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I I SORT OF FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BENEFIT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS WE REALIZE THAT WHETHER WE'RE GONNA GET IT OR WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT LONG TERM, THESE ARE ONE SHOT REVENUES.
AND WE HAVE TO START, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO START FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD AS A TOWN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, A TRANSITION IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE DON'T HAVE THE REVENUES TODAY, YOU KNOW, I GOT AN E WE ALL GOT AN EMAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR NOW HAS ON THE DESK, THE EDGEMONT INCORPORATION.
UM, SO SHE'S GONNA BE SIGNED, I MEAN, THE INCORPORATION THAT SHE'S GONNA BE SIGNING,
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MAKE SURE THE INCORPORATION PETITION, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED TWO LAWS DEALING WITH INCORPORATION.SO IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST WENT TO HER DESK TODAY.
SHE HAS 10 DAYS TO DECIDE TO SIGN IT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT, UM, A PETITION IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO MONTHS COULD BE FILED RELATING TO HEDGE ONE INCORPORATION.
SO IF YOU, SO WE COULD HAVE BOTH, UH, LONG-TERM LOSS OF REVENUE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PERMIT FEES AND ALL THAT PLUS, UM, A PROBLEM WITH THE INCORPORATION, UH, IF THEY DO FILE AND THERE'S A, A FAVORABLE VOTE ON, ON THAT RESIDENTS HAVE.
SO I JUST SORT OF THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, AND I'M, THIS IS NOT LIKE A CRITICISM BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER.
I, I FEEL WE HAVE TO REALLY START THINKING, HOW COULD WE MAKE THIS AS, LET'S ASSUME IT'S WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT COULD WE DO AS A TOWN, UH, TO MAKE THE TRANSITION AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE FOR RESIDENTS? IF IN FACT, UM, YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THIS $5 MILLION, THEN THAT WILL GO BACK INTO THE FUND BALANCE, RIGHT? SO DON'T, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ARGUING AGAINST YOURSELF ALMOST, UM, BY FIRST SAYING, WELL, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THAT $5 MILLION AND NOW SAYING, LET'S CUT IN ANTICIPATION, BUT THIS IS TUESDAY NIGHT.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET NEXT MONDAY NIGHT, THE 18TH TO START MAKING THOSE CHANGES NOW FOR THIS BUDGET IS PROBLEMATIC LONG TERM.
BUT I THINK THAT ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE RIGHT, LONG TERM WE NEED TO REALLY SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH IT AND, AND START REALLY PLANNING CAREFULLY FOR THE FUTURE AND HOW WE MAKE IT HAPPEN SO THAT THE, WE ARE MAKING THE TOWN WORK TO, TO MAINTAIN THAT BEST AND GREATEST TOWN EVER AND TO, TO NOT PUT OURSELF IN, IN OURSELVES IN A FINANCIAL BIND OR OUR TOWN INTO A FINANCIAL BIND.
SO KNOWING THAT, I THINK THAT'S HER DIRECTIVE.
AND ALSO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE REGENERON FOR ABOUT TWO.
MY GUT FEELING IS TO SAY, TWO YEARS.
I, SO I FEEL FOR TWO YEARS THERE'LL BE MORE REVENUE COMING IN.
I ALSO FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ELMWOOD, YOU HAVE BRIGHTVIEW, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, MAPLEWOOD JUST I THINK SOLD ON WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
SO THAT'S, SO I FEEL THERE'S SOME DEVELOP, THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING.
BUT I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. SO I, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD START THINKING RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO, UH, LONG TERM TO AVOID, TO MAKE IT AS PAINLESS AS, YOU KNOW, AS POSSIBLE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE WHOLE TOWN, AS A TOWN BOARD, WE ALL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE CALL BUDGET FORECASTING.
SO WITH THAT, NOW THAT WE KNOW, WE, WE KNEW THIS, WE'VE BEEN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT.
AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, THAT WE NEED TO START FORECASTING IN CASE OF AN INCORPORATION.
BUT THIS FIRST YEAR, AND AT THE SAME, NO, I'M NOT, WE CAN'T, WE, OKAY.
WE CAN'T DO, WE CAN'T KEEP MANAGING THIS WAY.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA HAVE A LOOK AHEAD AND IT CAN'T BE A MONTH AHEAD.
IT HAS TO BE FIVE YEAR LOOK AHEAD TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE AND ADJUST AS NECESSARY.
SO THAT'S MUSIC TO ROBERTA'S EARS
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MANAGE LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF EDGEMONT INCORPORATING HAS BEEN ON FOR VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
AND PAUL REMINDS US EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT THE PETITION IS GONNA COME IN IN TWO WEEKS.
WHEN YOU GAVE US THE BUDGET, YOU DIDN'T TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
APPARENTLY ALL I STARTED THIS DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT IS, I DON'T THINK YOU FIX THE ISSUE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT OCCUR WITH EDGE BOND INCORPORATING, OR JUST IN GENERAL GOOD OPERATING PRINCIPLES BY INCREASING A BUILDING DE DEPARTMENT REVENUE.
YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST YEAR THERE WAS $4 MILLION PROJECTED, AND THEN 16 MILLION CAME IN, THERE'S $12 MILLION THEN THAT CAME IN.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT MONEY, PAUL? THAT'S AND THE OPERATING FUND, YOU USED IT TO OPERATE.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE USING LESS FUND BALANCE THAN WE ANTICIPATED IN 2023.
SO WE HAD ANTICIPATED USING, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 10 MILLION LAST YEAR.
AND NOW WITH OUR PROJECTIONS, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 3 MILLION THAT WE'RE USING.
BUT IF WE WERE OPERATING WITHOUT THE ONE SHOT REGENERON MM-HMM
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BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE WERE ALSO USING THAT TO PAY OPERATING EXPENSES AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE, WE, THE BUDGETS THAT THE, THAT WE RECEIVE, UM, I THINK NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE SHOTS.
AND FOR NEXT YEAR, AND WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH ROBERTA NEXT YEAR, THE BUILDING PERMITS THAT CAME IN LAST YEAR, THE 16 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO NEED 2.25 MILLION OF THAT IN 2024 FOR THE INSPECTIONS IN 2025, WE'RE GONNA BE $2.25 MILLION.
AND IN 25 WE'RE GOING NO, 24 6, 25, 26, WE'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER 2.25.
THE NUMBER MAY START TO GET SMALLER AFTER THAT, BUT THERE'LL BE VERY FEW PERMITS COMING IN FROM REGENERON BASED ON OUR INFORMATION.
1 MILLION IS GONNA COME IN, IN REVENUE FROM REGENERON BECAUSE OF THE, UH, LOGISTICS BUILDING.
WELL, THAT'S A DISAGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE, I DIFFER WITH YOU ON THAT.
I KNOW, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL US WHO TOLD YOU AND YOU CAN'T SAY HOW.
NO, BUT, BUT I, I HAVE A LETTER THAT I SENT TO EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD.
YOU SENT A LETTER FROM A, AN ATTORNEY WHO SAID, REPRESENTS THEM, WHO SAID THAT THERE'S $5 MILLION BUDGETED IN THEIR BUDGET THAT ALSO APPLIES TO MOUNT PLEASANT.
AND IT ALSO SAYS, BASED ON FINANCIAL ABILITY, THAT'S, AND ALL KINDS OF CAVEATS.
SO THAT LETTER DOESN'T SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY COME IN WITH $5 MILLION, UH, NEXT YEAR.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT.
I THINK WE MADE THAT, BUT LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? NO, NO.
I THINK, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE'RE IN THE SAME PLACE ENOUGH.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO THROUGH EACH LINE? MM-HMM.
SO MOST OF THESE, UM, WHERE THE EXPLANATION IS UPDATED, I FUND ALLOCATION COMES FROM, IF YOU GO TO PAGE FIVE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WERE INCREASES THAT HIT THE I FUND FOR THE ADDITIONAL SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS FOR 130,000, UM, UPDATED SHIP RATES THAT WE RECEIVED AND UPDATED WORKERS' COMP RATES.
AND FROM THE I FUND, THE I FUND GETS ALLOCATED OUT TO VARIOUS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT HE WAS, UH, ALSO DEPUTY, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER AT THAT TIME.
RIGHT? NO, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS, WAS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC AT WORKS.
SO, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ELIMINATING A POSITION, WE'RE GONNA BE A CORRECT.
SO HE, UH, HE WAS BASICALLY SUPERINTENDENT OF, YOU HAD A COMMISSIONER.
YOU HAD THE COMMISSIONER, AND THEN YOU HAD THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
SO, SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHAT IS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS GONNA DO THAT RICH, UH, YOU KNOW, HADN'T, YOU KNOW, HADN'T DONE IN HIS, UM, WHEN HE HAD THE POSITION? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU, YOU'RE CREATING THREE POSITIONS INSTEAD OF TWO.
AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME WHEN YOU'RE CONCERNED, UM, YOU KNOW ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE NEED IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE ANTICIPATING SOME RESTRUCTURING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANTICIPATING THAT AND IDEALLY, UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT, IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT IT BECAUSE WE'RE COVERED AND TRUCTURE THE BUDGET TO, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO RESTRUCTURE APPROPRIATELY.
LIKE WE HAVEN'T HAD A RESTRUCTURING IN LONG TIME BEYOND OKAY.
SO, SO AS YOU FEEL THAT YOU DON'T THINK IT'S WHAT'S OUR, YOU, YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE WORK IS TODAY.
YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT, 'CAUSE THINGS CHANGE THINGS.
WE DON'T OPERATE THE SAME WAY WE DID 32 YEARS AGO.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED, THINGS HAVE EVOLVED.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IS NOW WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAFFING APPROPRIATELY.
SO IF WE'RE NOT STAFFING APPROPRIATELY, AND IF YOU WANNA SEE THE JOB DESCRIPTION, I'M SURE MALAR CAN BRING YOU A COPY OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION SO YOU CAN SEE, 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT A BRAND NEW JOB WE HAVE, THERE IS A
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CURRENT JOB DESCRIPTION OUT THERE FOR THAT.BUT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE OPERATING CORRECTLY AND BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANT.
COL I LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION.
AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, I THINK THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS INDICATED THAT YEAH, HE WAS HOPING THAT SAY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD, WOULD GET THAT POSITION, YOU KNOW, WHICH HE'S VERY QUALIFIED, YOU KNOW, TO DO, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE WOULD DO A GOOD JOB.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WOULD THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, IF WE INCREASE THE SALARY OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND HE BECOMES, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORK, PUBLIC, UH, COMMISSIONER OF SUPERINTENDENT OF OF PUBLIC WORKS, WORKS, UH, WOULD HE THEN CONTINUE TO BE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR? BECAUSE IF THAT'S THAT, DO WE NEED A FULL-TIME? SA FULL-TIME POSITION? THAT'S REORGANIZATION.
THAT'S, I SIT DOWN REAL, BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE, SO I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH QUITE A FEW REORGANIZATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE FUNDING AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO SIT AND PROPERLY RESTRUCTURE.
SO SOMETIMES SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS RIGHT AWAY, BUT I, BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE DO NEED THE RESTRUCTURE.
SO ONCE WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORG CHARTS AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO PUT THIS POSITION HERE, BUT WE DO KNOW, AND I THINK, AND IT'S, IF I'M SPEAKING OUTTA TERM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW THAT THAT POSITION IS NEEDED.
WE NEED THAT LEVEL, WE NEED THAT LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT OF WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH NOW AND ALL THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND RICH HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER FOND HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL EXPRESSING THAT TO US.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHEN I LEAN ON OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO ARE IN THE TRENCHES EVERY DAY.
SO THEY ARE TELLING US WHAT THEY NEED, AND THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.
SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT POSITION'S GONNA BE.
I DIDN'T SAY, WE DIDN'T SAY, OH, WE'RE GONNA AUTOMATICALLY GIVE THAT TO THE BUILDING INSTRUCTOR.
AND I JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE.
I DON'T WANNA COMMIT TO ANYTHING UNTIL WE OFFICIALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING.
BUT WE LEAST WE NEED TO KNOW, WE NEED TO DEFINITELY DO A REORGANIZATION.
IF, IF THE POSITION IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, OKAY, DOES THAT BASICALLY MEAN THAT THE POSITION WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE POSITION IS, AFTER WE DECIDE, I MEAN, WILL THE BOARD BASICALLY BE, HAVE LIKE ANOTHER SAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE REALLY, WE WANT A FULL-TIME, UH, COMMISSIONER, OR WE WANT TO MAKE IT A PART-TIME POSITION.
YOU KNOW, GIVE SAY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR A STIPEND OVER WHAT, YOU KNOW, OVER WHAT HE'S GETTING TO DO THIS EXTRA WORK.
I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT VARIATIONS.
I THINK WE HAVE A SHOT AT, HAVE ANSWER QUESTION, HAVE A STIP.
IMAGINE IF YOU RESTRUCTURED CORRECTLY.
WE'RE WE'RE TALKING NOT JUST ABOUT A POSITION.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WERE YOU DOING IS YOU'RE FUNDING IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT YES.
COMMITTING TO THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE RESTRUCTURED.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN YET.
THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
SO I STARTED WITH THE I FUND, BECAUSE THAT'S HITTING A LOT OF THESE.
SO I GUESS I'LL JUST READ THE DEPARTMENTS OF WHICH YOU'RE AFFECTED BY THE I FUND ALLOCATION.
AND ALSO, COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALWAYS, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'VE SAID, OH, YOU THINK THE TOWN IS MAKING MISTAKES WHERE WE'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH OR WE'RE GIVING AWAY THE STORE OR WHATEVER COULD, IF THERE'S ITEMS HERE THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, NOW? SO THIS WAY AT LEAST WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, YOU KNOW, ON POSSIBLE, UM, REQUESTS THAT YOU THINK WE DON'T NEED.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, AT LEAST TO ME.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE TOO MANY.
BUT, UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA DO THE RESTRUCTURING, SO WE CAN'T COMMENT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO GET ALLOCATED OUT TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
SO WITH THE I FUND ALLOCATION, IT'S GOING TO BE HITTING, UM, DEPARTMENT A ONE 10.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO LIST ALL OF THESE.
I THINK WE SHOULD, BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY, OKAY.
SO THAT IT HITS, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DIDN'T WRITE WHICH DEPARTMENT IT WAS, BUT A ONE 10 IS COURT.
A 1345 IS PURCHASING A, THE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS THAT, THAT'S THE, UM, OBJECT.
A 1490 IS THE ADMINISTRATION FOR DPWA 1610 IS UM, ESSENTIAL SERVICES.
AND THEN THE NEXT THREE, IT'S ALL COMING FROM THE I FUND A 31 20 IS POLICE, A 33 10 IS TRAFFIC.
I BELIEVE A 35 10 IS, UM, ANIMAL CONTROL.
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I'M NOT POSITIVE WHAT THAT ONE IS.A 45 40 IS, UM, ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.
NOW A 70 20, THIS IS THE PART-TIME LINE.
IT WAS THE INCREASE THAT JERRY HAD REQUESTED WHEN HE CAME IN FOR THE $4,000.
THE NEXT LINE IS, AGAIN, IT'S THE I FUND, WHICH IS ACCOUNT A THREE 30, WHICH IS GIMME ONE SECOND.
AND THEN THE MEDICAL INSURANCE, WE GOT THE, UH, THE UPDATED NY SHIP RATES AND THE INCREASE FOR THE WORKERS' COMP.
SO THAT'S ALL OF THE A FUND INCREASES.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE B FUND.
SO B 1490, JUST BEAR WITH ME ONE MINUTE IS PUBLIC WORKS ADMIN IN THE B FUND.
NOW HERE IT IS B 36 20, WHICH IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT IS AN INCREASE FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE NEXT LINE IS THE STIPEND INCREASE FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, DEPUTY, DEPUTY, I'M SORRY, DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.
LET ME JUST EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, MM-HMM.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WE SHOULD BE, UM, GIVING ANY SALARY INCREASES OVER, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF LIVING THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE HAVE SAID UN UNTIL, UM, UNTIL, UM, UNTIL, UH, THE UNION CONTRACTS, UM, ARE UM, YOU KNOW, ARE RESOLVED.
BECAUSE WHAT I FOUND IS, UM, SINCE, UH, SOME EMPLOYEES HAVE HEARD THAT, UM, THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMING AROUND SAYING THAT THEY WANT THE SALARY INCREASES.
SO I THINK THAT BY UM, ADDING, I MEAN, WE COULD ALWAYS, IF WE, IF WE WANT TO DO A SALARY INCREASES FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS OR MANAGEMENT, UM, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER, UH, THE UNION CONTRACTS ARE ARE RESOLVED.
I THINK THIS COULD, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY HURT OUR, UH, NEGOTIATING.
UM, WELL THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT I THINK AT LEAST IN ONE INSTANT IT'S BRI IT'S JUST, IT'S PARITY WITH OTHER WELL, UM, POSITIONS OF THAT LEVEL AM CORRECT.
WELL, I SHOULD MENTION MY SALARY IS LESS THAN ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING.
UM, SO THE THING IS WHY I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHY, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE I BASICALLY NEVER COMPLAINED.
I I, NO, BECAUSE EARLY ON I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE HISTORY EARLY ON.
WHEN YOU GOT THE SAME INCREASE AS THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, YOU BASED YOUR INCREASE ON COULD YOU PERFORM A WHOLE BUNCH OF GOALS THAT YOU PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC EVERY YEAR.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T MEET THE GOALS, YOUR SALARY WAS REDUCED.
AND SO WHILE THE OTHERS GOT THEIR INCREASES, YOU GOT A FRACTION OF THAT.
SO OVER TIME YOU CAME OUT OF PARODY.
NO, THAT'S, BUT THAT WAS YOUR NO, THAT'S NOT THE REA THAT'S NOT THE REASON.
BASICALLY THE, THE, THE REASON WAS I BASICALLY DEFERRED, UM, UH, INCREASES FOR, UH, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS AT LEAST A COUPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, DURING MY TENURE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M JUST SAYING IS I, I FAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR OR DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR, I THINK THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB, NOT COMPLAINING.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST GOT HIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THEIR SALARIES, YOU KNOW, WENT, WENT UP.
THEY TOOK A JOB WITH A STATED SALARY.
AND I THINK THAT UNTIL THE UNION CONTRACTS ARE, UM, RESOLVED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE BASICALLY SHOULD PUT THE, UM, THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, ON HOLD.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WELL, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT YOUR SALARY IS GREATER THAN THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES.
SO WHAT'S THE, THERE'S, PARDON? EXECUTIVE WOW.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, BUT IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN 173? YES.
WELL, IF HE BECOMES A CONGRESSMAN, HE'LL GET THE PENSION.
OH, THAT'S, THAT'S HE'LL GET THE FEDERAL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, 0.3, MY POINT BEING, YES, PLEASE.
UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL OFFICE ASSISTANT.
THEN THEY ASK FOR THE INCREASE OF 20,000 FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE PERMIT SCANNING PROJECT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT MORE ELECTRONIC, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
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WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST REINSTATING.AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO, OH, SO THEY ASKED FOR 200,000.
THIS IS REINSTATING OUT NOW, PUT IT BACK TO 20,000.
SO NOW, WHAT WAS THE BASIS WE TAKING OUT THE 20,000 PAUL? UH, WAIT, WHICH, WHICH NUMBER IS THAT IN THE MICROFILMS MICROFILM? YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST, UH, LOOKING FOR WAYS OF, UH, DEFERRING SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME COSTS FOR, UH, 2000, YOU KNOW, 2024 MM-HMM.
THIS IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALLOCATION FROM THE FUND.
THEN 51 82 IS TO MAKE US HOLD, THAT'S THE STREET LIGHTING.
SO THAT GETS AN ALLOCATION FROM THE I FUND B 70 20 IS, UM, PARK'S ADMIN.
THAT'S THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE OF THE 15,000.
AND THEN ALSO THE I FUND ALLOCATIONS TO THAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEN IT'S ANTI VETERAN PARK IS THE B 70 50.
B 81 60 IS SANITATION WITH THE ALLOCATION.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE NIGHT SHIP RATE INCREASE, THE WORKERS' COMP INCREASE, AND THEN THE TRANSFER TO THE HIGHWAY FUND.
AND THAT'S COMING FROM THE HIGHWAY FUND, WHICH IS THE DEFUND, AND THEN THE TRANSFER TO THE LIBRARY FUND, WHICH COMES FROM THE L FUND.
THEN WE CONTINUE DOWN, AND THEN ALL OF THOSE CHANGES ARE FLOWING THROUGH THE FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE INCREASE IN THE RATES THAT WE, THAT WE GOT SINCE WE PUT OUT THIS BUDGET NUTRITION.
IT HAS THE I I FUND ALLOCATION, THE NICE SHIP RATES AND THE WORKERS' COMP RATES.
THE DEFUND, WHICH IS THE HIGHWAY FUND.
IT'S THE ALLOCATIONS FROM THE I FUND, THE NICE SHIP RATE AND THE WORKERS' COMP WATER FUND.
THE NICE SHIP RATE, THE WORKERS' COMP, THE I FUND ALLOCATION.
AND THEN A PORTION OF PICKING UP THE INCREASE THAT COMES FROM THE G FUND, WHICH IS RUM BOOK, WHICH GETS FUNDED BY F THE G FUND IS THE WORKERS' COMP RATE INCREASE.
THE I FUND, WE STARTED OUT WITH LIBRARY FUND.
IT'S AGAIN, THE ALLOCATION, THE NIGHT SHIP INCREASE AND THE WORKERS' COMP RATE INCREASE.
AND THEN THE LAST IS THE SEWER DISTRICT.
AGAIN, THE I FUND ALLOCATION, THE NIGHT SHIP RATE AND THE WORKERS' COMP INCREASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SHOWING SO FAR.
SO THE TAX RATE HIKE AND THE TAX, UH, LEVY, THAT'S, THAT REMAINS THE SAME BECAUSE ANY OF THE CHANGES WE WERE, WERE PULLING OUT OF FUND BALANCE IN BOTH THE A FUND AND THE B FUND.
AND WE'RE NOT OVERRIDING THE TAX CAP.
SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CONSOLIDATED ARRAIGNMENT PART, THERE WAS A LINE IN THE BUDGET WE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, UM, AS HER DUTIES WOULD INCREASE, UM, IF THE CONSOLIDATED ANDRA PART WERE TO COME TO THE TOWN, UM, BECAUSE THAT LINE WAS THERE, UH, AND IT INCLUDED AN INCREASE FOR HER.
UM, THE, WE, WE DIDN'T OFFICIALLY REQUEST AN INCREASE IN THIS BUDGET.
NOW THAT THE CONSOLIDATED ARRAIGNMENT PART IS CHANGING FIGURATIVELY, UM, I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE TABLE THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INCREASE FOR THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, YOU SAW THE LETTER THAT SHE SENT TO US.
UM, SHE'S BASICALLY ASKING FOR $15,000 TO BRING HER SALARY, UH, IN PARITY WITH OTHER COURT ADMINISTRATORS IN CITIES, UH, IN, IN, UH, JURISDICTIONS WITH SIMILAR, UM, UH, UH, COURT, SIMILAR POPULATIONS AND SIMILAR COURT TRAFFIC.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT SHE HASN'T GOTTEN AN INCREASE SINCE SHE WAS HIRED, OTHER THAN A COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
UM, IT DOES SEEM THAT HER SALARY IS PRETTY LOW WHEN YOU COMPARE
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TO THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.UM, AND SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.
I JUST, UM, SENT EVERYBODY A MEMO LIKE A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN THAT I HAD IS, UM, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I AM OPEN TO LOOKING AT ALL THE SALARIES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME SALARIES ARE LOWER THAN NEIGHBORING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES.
BUT I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE, UH, THOUGHT OUT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN DONE.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE, UH, BEFORE THE, THE UNION CONTRACTS ARE RESOLVED.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S LIKE, I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S GONNA HURT OUR, UH, UH, LABOR NEGOTIATIONS.
UH, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A CAREFUL AND ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, THE SALARY STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE BASICALLY WE COULD PUT THE MONEY LIKE ASIDE FOR ALL THE SALARIES AND THEN SAY IN JANUARY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DECIDE HOW TO DO IT CAREFULLY.
RIGHT? AND THEN I WOULD, THEN I WOULD FEEL SORT OF BETTER BECAUSE THEN I WOULD FEEL THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE A PROCESS.
SO IT SHOULDN'T BE DEPENDING ON THE PERSON, THE INDIVIDUALS, IT SHOULD BE BASED ON.
WE SHOULD COMPARE AND SAY WHAT THE LONG-TERM NEEDS OF THE TOWN ARE.
SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE PUT ALL THE SALARY INCREASES FOR EVERYBODY ON HOLD, THEN WE ALL AGREED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT YOU, COMPARE OUR SALARIES WITH OTHERS, C SEE WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE THAT DEPARTMENTS ARE HAVING IN FILLING THE POSITIONS, AND THEN MAKE A, AND THEN MAKE A, A CAREFUL THOUGHT OUT DECISION AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE LIKE A, NOT JUST LIKE A RUSH JOB, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY ANALYZING IT, AND THAT THEN I SORT OF FEEL PEOPLE WILL HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE THAT WE, THAT WE ACTED, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATELY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FUNCTION AND WE HAVE TO BE THERE FOR THE, THE EMPLOYEES DEPARTMENT.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? DID YOU INCORPORATE ANY INCREASE FOR THAT POSITION? YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING.
SO, UM, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE'RE ALLOWING FOR IT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVALUATION, WHICH WASN'T JUST VIS-A-VIS THE DPW AND, AND, UM, BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, UH, TOWN WIDE IN TERMS OF, OF THAT, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AND WHO'S WHO, WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
BUT WE, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD RECOMMEND, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION, IS LET'S SAY WE, WE BASICALLY TAKE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE PUT IN FOR NEW POSITIONS AND SALARY INCREASES OVER THE, OVER THE MANAGEMENT COST OF LIVING.
YOU PUT THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE IN HERE.
WE PUT THAT ASIDE, WE PUT IT, YOU KNOW, IN CONTINGENCY.
THEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR IN JANUARY, WE DO A VERY, VERY, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS.
WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, AND THEN WE COME UP WITH, UM, WITH, WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL DE I PROMISE YOU, I WILL DEFINITELY KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
THEN WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT, I, I JUST WANNA, AT THE END OF THE DAY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY DID THIS CORRECTLY.
SO WOULD WE THEN PUT 15,000 IN CONTINGENCY JUST SO THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER FOR THAT, CONSIDER FOR HER, FOR HER INCREASE? AND THEN SO IT'S THERE.
AND THEN IF WE, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO UP TO THAT AMOUNT, WOULD THEN BE COVERED.
RIGHT? SO LIKE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF HIGHWAYS, UH, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE TOWN ENGINEERS MM-HMM.
ARE WE HAVING PROBLEMS? SO WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE PROBLEMS FINDING NEW EMPLOYEES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE BOARD WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT TOWNS RUN SMOOTHLY AND WE'RE BASICALLY DOING THE RIGHT, RIGHT THING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN I SORT OF FEEL THAT WE'RE STARTING OFF, YOU KNOW, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE CAREFUL.
WE HAD DEPARTMENTS COME TO US MAKING THEIR CASE.
NOT ALL DEPARTMENTS CAME TO US, BUT NOW WE HAVE FOUR DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY CAME TO US AND MADE A CASE FOR WHY THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED INTO THE BUDGET.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY THAT ARE NOT MERITORIOUS.
NOW, AS FAR AS RIGHT SIZING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, I THINK WE HAVE TO FACE THAT HEAD ON.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE REALLY, YOU KNOW, PENNYWISE AND DOLLAR SHORT WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A EXAM THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT, AND WE'RE NOT COMPETITIVE AT ALL, AND WE'RE GONNA LOSE
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PEOPLE IN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS AT BARE BONES NOW.WE CAN'T BE WITHOUT ENGINEERS.
WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, PUT MORE PRIORITY TO OTHER OTHER PROGRAMS OR, YOU KNOW, FEEL GOOD PROGRAMS AND NOT TAKE CARE OF OUR BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE AS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER OF DPW SAID, EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THE BUILDING, THROUGH, UH, DPW, EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH.
YOU KNOW, KICKING IT, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE THAT DID NOT COME BEFORE US, WE ASKED EVERY DEPARTMENT, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, COME BEFORE US THREE, NOW FOUR HAVE DONE THAT.
AND SO I I, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD WAIT BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE HEARD.
NOW THERE'S SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES IN, IN DEFENSE OF THE COURT, UH, SINCE WE HAVE THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, YOU DON'T READ ABOUT TOWN COURT IN THE NEWSPAPER ANYMORE.
AND BY THAT I MEAN NEGATIVE NEGATIVELY, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HISTORY, REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT THAT COURT WAS LIKE, WHAT IT COULD BE LIKE.
AND THIS PARTICULAR PERSON CAME IN AND HAS NOT ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN ALL THESE YEARS.
AND IT'S BEEN, PEOPLE, I'M SURE PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS ARE SAYING, WHAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE TOWN COURT? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT
AND THAT'S, THAT OCCURS IN ALL OF OUR, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS IS, HEY, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THAT.
BUT I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS ALMOST CRINGE-WORTHY ABOUT HOW THAT COURT WAS RUN.
AND THAT'S, AND, AND YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, EVERY STAFF IS TERRIFIC.
UH, BUT YOU GOTTA LOOK AT WHO HAS BEEN DOING THAT LEADERSHIP WITHOUT FANFARE.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PERSON'S NAME, NOR SHOULD THEY HAVE TO.
UH, SO I, I, I HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT, UH, REQUEST AND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS A PERSON, EVERYTHING NEEDS SHOULD BE TAKEN ON MERIT.
AND WE HEARD MERITORIOUS, UM, CLAIMS, NOT THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS ON THIS PAGE, BUT PEOPLE CAME BEFORE US.
AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE, THE FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO PLAY WITH, INCLUDING WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES? LET'S NOT BE SHORTSIGHTED THAT WE WORK OFF OF CIVIL SERVICE LISTS AND CIVIL SERVICE LISTS.
IT ALL IS BASED ON THE DOLLAR.
AND WHEN OUR HIGH SALARY IS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES LOW SALARY, YOU CAN'T EXPECT THE PEOPLE AS GOOD AS THEY ARE, AS FAITHFUL AS THEY ARE, UM, HOW MUCH TEAMWORK THEY ENGAGE IN TO STAY HERE WHEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER MEAL ON THE TABLE GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE.
AND KNOWING IT'S COMING, BECAUSE THIS, THIS ENGINEERING EXAM THING IS COMING, UH, I THINK WE GOTTA GET AHEAD OF IT.
AND, AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IF OUR DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS DP, MOST ESPECIALLY DB DPW IS SHORTHANDED, THEN THE WORK THAT WE LAY OUT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, WHICH IS OPTIMISTIC, DOESN'T, CAN'T NECESSARILY GET DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO EXECUTE IT.
SO THAT REALLY BECOMES, YOU KNOW, A, A, AN ANCILLARY AND MOST IMPORTANT, UH, CONSIDERATION.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, UM, A COURT CLERK WHO HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2012 WITHOUT ANY INCREASE IN SALARY, WHO HAS DONE WHAT THIS, WHAT OUR COURT CLERK HAS, SHE HAS GOTTEN THE SAME INCREASE.
THAT'S WHAT COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS A YEAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, I, I THINK, UM, SOMEONE WHO PUTS THEIR NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE, AND AS, AS, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEHAN SAID, DID, DID IT QUIETLY, WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE GOOD JOB THAT'S BEEN, HOW MUCH IS THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR GETTING? AND, AND BEAR IN MIND THAT THE COURT IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST REVENUE GENERATING DEPARTMENTS IN THE TOWN.
UM, AND THAT, UM, THEY BRING IN, YOU KNOW, CLOSE
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TO $2 MILLION A YEAR.NOT THAT THAT'S THEIR PURPOSE.
NOT, NOT THAT THAT'S THEIR PURPOSE, BUT, BUT, BUT THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR OVERSEES THAT AND MAKES SURE THAT THAT COMES IN 1 3800.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INCREASE SHOULD BE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK IT, SHE DESERVES AN INCREASE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE RESTRUCTURE DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE SHE REQUESTED A A CERTAIN AMOUNT, SHE DIDN'T PUT IN A DOLLAR AMOUNT HERSELF.
SO, UM, THAT JUST, AGAIN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT A AS LONG WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AFFECT, WE'RE AFFECTING THE FUND BALANCE.
WE'RE OKAY IN THE FUND BALANCE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK EVERYTHING OVER AND HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN, UM, JUST TO SUMMARIZE.
SO WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO THAT.
AND PART OF THAT PLAN IS, IS HOW WE STRUCTURE OUR, OUR DEPARTMENTS AND SALARY LEVELS.
AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, UM, IN THE WAY THAT BEST SERVES THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND ITS RESIDENTS.
DO YOU AGREE THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT? MM-HMM,
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MEAN, CAN I THINK THERE WERE A FEW OTHER THINGS.
SO, ON, ON THE SUPERVISOR'S PAGE, THERE'S $150,000 FOR AN TO LOOK FOR AN OPERATIONAL DIRECTOR ON THE SUPERVISION OF THE SUPERVISOR TO ASSIST WITH AND MONITOR INTERNAL OPERATIONS.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR, AND NOTHING REALLY, UH, MATERIALIZED FROM IT.
UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SAVING MONEY, I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS MONEY IS WHAT IT'S, LET ME JUST, UM, VERY BRIEFLY,
UM, I BASICALLY FEEL THIS IS A LARGE TOWN AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT COME UP.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, PERSONNEL ISSUES, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH PERSONNEL BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PAST YEAR, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE LONG RANGE ISSUES THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE IF WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, REVENUES, WE'RE LOSING REVENUES, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
WE KNOW THAT IF THE EDGEMONT INCORPORATION HAPPENS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSITION PLAN BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY SHORT TIME TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THE, UH, THE CHANGES.
SO WHAT I, WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE MAKE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I SAID $4 MILLION IN BUILDING PERMIT FEES WERE ESTIMATED LAST YEAR AND WE GOT 16 MILLION, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
BECAUSE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GET, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE DOING THE BUDGETS, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
SO WE CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW, GREAT DECISIONS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WORK WITH AND WHO WOULD ALSO WORK WITH EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD.
SO I WOULDN'T BE A TOWN BOARD PERSON.
NO, I'M SAYING I WANT, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP MY RESPONSIBILITIES AS FIN CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING IT IN AS REPORTING TO ME.
BUT IN EFFECT, THE PERSON IS GONNA BE, UM, IS GONNA BE REPORT, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH THE TOWN BOARD, SPEAKING TO THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I WANNA HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY FREQUENT UPDATES ON WHERE, WHERE WE ARE, REVENUES, UH, UH, EXPENSES, UH, UH, WHERE WE ARE WITH, UM, UH, VACANT POSITIONS, UH, THE, THE PROGRAMS. SO HOW WERE YOU DOING THAT IN THE PAST, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY? HOW, WHAT WAS YOUR PROCESS IN THE PAST TO GET THAT INFORMATION? IT'S, WELL, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S SHORT STAFFED.
SO THE THING IS, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT IN A TIMELY, YOU KNOW, MANNER.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN'T BLAME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS, WHEN YOU'RE SHORT STAFFED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET EVERYTHING.
SO I WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA BE WORKING, UH, WITH ME AND THE TOWN BOARD, UH, TO HELP WITH THE OPERATION ISSUES, THE, UM, THE ANALYSIS, UH, THE LONG TERM, UM, UH, AND SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT IT WILL HELP US COME UP WITH, IT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE PAST.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU JUST A VERY BIG TOWN AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME UP FROM, IN TERMS OF A
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MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT EVERY SINGLE WEEK.AND HAVING SOMEBODY TO ASSIST IN, UH, IN PROBLEM SOLVING, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS AN OPERATIONS PERSON AND, YOU KNOW, SHE DOES A REALLY JUNK MCDONALD'S.
SHE DOES A GREAT, YOU KNOW, GREAT JOB.
WE'RE A BIG TOWN, YOU KNOW, AND THE THING IS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE FACING, UH, MAJOR CHALLENGES IN THE, IN THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS, ADDRESS THEM.
UH, I, IF AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M CONVINCED THAT IT WILL HELP EVERYBODY GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED.
UH, SO WE COULD MAKE SURE THE TOWN IS RUN, YOU KNOW, SMOOTHLY.
AND BEFORE, JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUPERINTENDENT OF, UM, HIGHWAYS, IF YOU LEAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET, UH, BEFORE ANY POSITION IS CREATED, OBVIOUSLY THERE'D BE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD AND YOU'D ALL BE INVOLVED IN, UM, IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD FINE TOOTH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN MAKE SOME, UH, ADJUSTMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK THAT, UM, THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE VERY PLEASED WITH THE POSITION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S PART OF OUR RE RESTRUCTURING DISCUSSIONS IS NOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE TAKE THE MONIES OUT NOW OR WE HAVE THAT PART OF OUR RESTRUCTURING DISCUSSION, FINE TUNE WHAT THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE, HOW THE REPORTING IS DONE, AND HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, AS IT WERE.
AND I THINK YOU WANT TO COMPARE THAT PROPOSED POSITION, PERHAPS TO THAT OF A TOWN MANAGER AND SEE HOW THE TWO POSITIONS DIFFER AND WHETHER ONE IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE OTHER.
I I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT SUPPORT THE TOWN MANAGER POSITION, BUT I, I WOULD SUPPORT SOMEBODY, UH, IN OPERATIONS, UH, PERSON, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL THAT, WELL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, HOW IS, SO, HOLD ON.
HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? WELL, HOW IS THE TOWN MANAGER DIFFERENT THAN THE OPERATIONS MANAGER? WELL, AN OPERATION, THE TOWN SUPERVISOR AND THE TOWN BOARD HAVE MAKE DEC MAKE OKAY, OUR OWN DECISIONS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A TOWN MANAGER, UH, THERE'S STATUTORY, UM, RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY HAVE.
SO IT TAKES AWAY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S DEFERRING RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE TO A NON-ELECTED OFFICIAL.
YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE OF SCARSDALE GOT RID OF THE VILLAGE MANAGER, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISPUTE.
THE MANAGER FELT THAT HE WANTED MORE AUTHORITY, AND THE TA, THE VILLAGE BOARD DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO HIM.
UM, SO HE, HE'S, HE'S OUT OF, WELL, THEY DIDN'T GET RID OF THE POSITION.
THEY, THEY, THEY DECIDED TO PART WAYS WITH THE PERSON.
SO, BUT THE POSITION THAT'S NOT, BUT THE POSITION STILL, THE POSITION REMAINS.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AAA BOND RATE, AND I'M, I'M FAMILIAR.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TOWN MANAGER AND THIS OPERATIONS MANAGER.
THAT'S, I JUST WANNA KNOW THIS, YOU PUT IT IN HERE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? I JUST, I THINK EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR THAT.
WELL, THE, THE POSITION BASICALLY, UH, UH, REPORTS TO ME AND TO THE TOWN BOARD AND BASICALLY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WILL HELP US DEAL WITH, UH, UH, OPERATION ISSUES.
UM, AND ALSO HELP US WITH LONG-TERM AND SHORT-TERM, UH, UM, ANALYSIS AND FOR, AND FORECAST THAT WILL HELP EV US MAKE, UH, UH, PRUDENT DECISIONS DURING, UM, IS THIS THE TOWN MANAGER OR IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE OPERATIONS MATCH OPERATIONS? SO, OKAY.
MAYBE I DIDN'T ANSWER MY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN RESTRUCTURE MY QUESTION.
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OPERATIONS MANAGER AND THE, THE TOWN MANAGER TOWN? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO POSITIONS? A TOWN MANAGER RUNS THE TOWN, UM, ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
AND BASICALLY THE TOWN SUPERVISORS, THE CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIAL TOWN BOARD WOULD HAVE LESS, UH, INDEPENDENT, LESS AUTHORITY IN TERMS OF THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF, OF THE TOWN.
AND THE OPERATIONS PERSON WOULD REPORT TO ME.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT ON PUTTING IT IN MY BUDGET, UH, WOULD REPORT TO ME ULTIMATELY, UM, THAT POSITION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ADVISORY.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY WOULD REPORT TO ME.
ULTIMATELY, I'M NOT GIVING UP ANY AUTHORITY THAT I DO CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND I'M, I WOULD BASICALLY TO ASSIGN THE PROJECTS THAT I THINK ARE, SO IT'S JUST A, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOUR OPERATIONS MANAGER'S GOING TO BE A PROJECT MANAGER.
YOUR, YOUR OPERATIONS MANAGER'S GONNA BE A PROJECT MANAGER AND NOT GET INVOLVED.
'CAUSE YOU HANDLE ALL OF THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF IS, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HANDLING THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF THAT THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE DOING JUST SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
NO, THERE'LL BE ASSISTING IN THE DAY-TO-DAY, UH, OPERATION.
SO HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY,
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THAT'S ALL.WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TOWN MANAGER AND AN OPERATIONS MANAGER AS YOU SEE IT? WELL, AS I SEE IT, LET'S SAY, UH, WE WERE COMPLAINING, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PAST FEW MONTHS, UH, THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULDN'T GET, UM, FIND EMPLOYEES.
SO I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY IN TERMS OF VACANT POSITIONS.
SO AN OPERATIONS MANAGER, AS I SAY, IT WOULD HELP US, UM, FIGURE OUT THE REASONS, UH, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY, REACH OUT TO OUR PERSONNEL, FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD WE DO TO REPLACE THE POSITIONS QUICKLY, REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO, UM, GET THE POSITIONS FILLED.
AND, AND I'LL DO IT QUICKLY IF THE, IF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS HAVING PROBLEMS, UH, GETTING ENGINEERS, YOU KNOW, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE OPERATIONS PERSON WOULD, UM, BE ASSIGNED, BE ASSIGNED.
TOM, I'M SORRY, BUT TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN HR FUNCTION, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL RE THAT'S ALL RECRUITMENT.
SO I'M JUST, SO WE WOULD FIND OUT WHAT, AND HELP ME IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
JUST NO, WE WOULD FIND, I'M JUST TRYING TO, THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE, WHEN DEPARTMENTS HAVE PROBLEMS, IT COULD BE PERSONNEL PROBLEMS. IT COULD BE, UH, DAY-TO-DAY PROBLEMS. IT COULD BE THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS OR THE COURT.
UH, YEAH, THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT COME UP ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO THAT PERSON WOULD ASSIST IN, UM, IN ADDRESSING BOTH SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM, UH, OPERATIONAL ISSUES AND HELPING US, UH, RESOLVE IT TO, UH, THE SATISFACTION OF, UH, THE TOWN BOARD.
AND THEN WOULD REPORT BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA TRY SOLVING THIS PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A LEAK IN A ROOF AND MAYBE, UH, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO THERE COULD BE, UM, THAT'S DPW, BUT THAT'S DPW.
SO THAT'S THE, SO I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TAKING FUNCTIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS, MAKE THIS UP INTO THIS OPERATIONS MANAGER.
BUT, BUT FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING UP, YOU KNOW, ROBERTA HAD MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ME CONSTANTLY, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVING FOR YEARS, CAPITAL BUDGETS, AND MANY, MANY TI MOST YEARS, A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT WE APP APPRO, WE'VE, WE APPROVE, IS NEVER SPENT.
RIGHT? SO YOU FINISH UP BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN CLEANING UP, UH, THE CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BUDGETS THAT WERE, THAT DEPARTMENT HAD SAID, WE NEED THIS MONEY.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROMISING US, WE NEED THE MONEY, WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT.
SO IT'S BEEN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN ACCUMULATING IN A CAPITAL BUDGET.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.
BUT SOME OF THE REASON THEY MIGHT NOT BE SPEND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING, THEY CAN'T GET TO IT ALL.
WELL, ALSO WE HAVE THE COVID THING, WHICH THROW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU CAN'T, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
SO I'M, BUT REALIZE I'M TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANYBODY.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF, IF WE APPROVE EVERY YEAR, A MAJOR CAPITAL BUDGET TURNS OUT THAT FOR YEAR, AND THIS ISN'T LIKE ONE OR TWO YEARS, MM-HMM.
IF WE HAVE CAPITAL BUDGETS AND THE MONEY THAT THE BOARD APPROVED NEVER GETS SPENT, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH ME, WORK WITH A CONTROLLER, UM, AND BASICALLY, UH, REVIEW EVERY APPROPRIATION THAT WE HAVE, REVIEW EVERY PROGRAM WE HAVE.
THERE MAY BE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE THAT, UM, THAT WHERE VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE SIGNED UP AND WE BASICALLY, UM, WE MAY BE FUNDING SOMETHING THAT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
WELL, THAT'S, BUT THAT'S HOW'RE TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL, I'M SAYING, OR FINANCIAL.
BUT IT'S, THE DEPARTMENT'S A HEAD REVIEW.
NO, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE TASKED FOR, FOR, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THEIR BUDGET.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO SAY, HEY, ROBERTA, YES, WE, HEY COMPTROLLER, WE NEED X, Y, AND Z.
THE PROJECTS ARE THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
THERE ARE TIMES THAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU JUST SAID, AND IF I MISSPEAK, PLEASE LET ME KNOW THAT MAYBE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE PROJECT.
MAYBE THERE WAS SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
MAYBE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE THOUGHT WE HAD A CONTRACT IN PLACE AND THE CONTRACTOR GOT INCREASED BY 50%.
I, WE'VE HEARD ALL OF THIS, BUT I KNOW, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO COME AND WORK WITH YOU AND TO SAY, AM I, AM I, 'CAUSE I HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THAT WORK WITH YOU TO SAY, HERE'S MY SIT, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU CALL THEM AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SO I'M JUST IS IS THERE A BREAK IN, IN COMMUNICATION HERE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND, AND YOURSELF AS IT RELATES TO HOW THINGS ARE BEING SPENT? IS THERE SOMETHING MISSING THERE THAT YOU NEED AN EXTRA LEVEL IN THERE TO TELL
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THEM HOW TO SPEND THEIR MONEY, HOW TO MAKE SURE THEIR CONTRACTS ARE ROLLED OUT? IF THERE'S AN INCREASE THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT ALREADY? I'M JUST, I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA, NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS.ROBERTA ANSWER, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING ROBERT ROBERTA'S ANSWER.
WELL, TO ME IT'S, THAT'S MORE OF LIKE A, A MICROMANAGING TYPE OF THING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH GOVERNMENT IS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, I'M GONNA WORK ON THIS TODAY, AND WE COULD PUT, WE COULD APPROPRIATE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR SOMETHING, AND THEN WE GET SIDETRACKED BECAUSE THERE'S A ISSUE THAT COMES UP THAT MAY BE BASICALLY MINOR, BUT THEN IT TAKES ALL OUR, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES ALL OUR TIME AND THEN WE GET DISTRACTED.
SO WHAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UM, DO A BETTER JOB, UM, OF, OF FOLLOWING UP ON THINGS THAT I KNOW HAVE TO GET DONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, SAY, THE RETAINING WALL AT, UM, AT RALEIGH PINE, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE COURTHOUSE.
UH, AND THE THING IS, THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE LITTLE ISSUES THAT COME UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE BECAUSE WE'LL GET, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET DISTRACTED.
SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE LIKE ANOTHER PERSON WHO COULD BASICALLY BE HELPING.
BUT I, I BASICALLY, I'M CONVINCED THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT.
I FEEL THAT IT WOULD SAVE MONEY.
UM, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I ALSO FEEL THAT, UM, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, I COULD GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HAVE IN MIND BECAUSE I, I DO HAVE SOME, SOME THOUGHTS.
UH, BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, TRANSPARENCY, I DON'T.
WELL, IT DOESN'T, WELL, IT DOESN'T, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT.
UH, WELL, BUT CAN, CAN WE, CAN WE MAYBE, UM, OKAY.
WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? PLEASE? NO, NO, NO, GO AHEAD.
UH, MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN AGREE TO LOOK AT THIS CAREFULLY NEXT YEAR, MAYBE HAVE THE MONIES ALLOCATED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY SPEND THEM, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE PART OF THE RESTRUCTURING DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT THE NEED IS, OR WHETHER WE CAN WORK OUT A BETTER REPORTING SYSTEM, IF THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED, A BETTER COORDINATING SYSTEM, IF THAT'S WHAT IS NEEDED, AND IF THERE IS A PERSON THAT NEEDS TO FILL THAT POSITION TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, IF THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED.
I MEAN, WE, WE, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO.
NO, I, I, I JUST THINK THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM HERE, UM, WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, BECAUSE ANYTHING FINANCIAL, THE CONTROLLERS, THE CONTROLLER IS A CPA.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON STAFF? DO YOU HAVE EIGHT? EIGHT WITH EIGHT STAFF MEMBERS DEALING WITH FINANCES AND PERSONNEL? OH, THEN THAT'S 10 AND BUDGETS, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
UH, HOW CAN WE GET THIS DONE? YOU'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO OUR ENGINEERS AND, UH, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO OR YOU CAN'T DO, UH, TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE.
YOU KNOW, I'M LISTENING TO THIS AND I'M HEARING THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY PROJECT IS LABELED AS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
AND SO IF WE HAVE A LIST THAT'S GIVEN TO US THAT ACTUALLY IS PRIORITIZED, IT WOULD MAKE THAT A LOT EASIER.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU COME IN, YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP AND SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP.
UH, HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SAME LIST AND HAVING TO RE GO AND REACH OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THERE ARE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETINGS.
IF PEOPLE AREN'T SPENDING THE MONEY, UH, FOR THE CAPITAL BUDGET DURING A DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING, SAY, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT PROJECT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER PERSON TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
SO I, I'M JUST CONCERNED PARTICULARLY SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TIGHT FINANCIAL SITUATION,
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UH, TO ADD, UH, ANOTHER PERSON WITH REALLY, YOU KNOW, UNSPECIFIED DUTIES.UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE YEAR TO DO.
I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, IF THE EDGEMONT INCORPORATION, UH, MATERIALIZES, IF THEY FILE A PETITION WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS OR WHATEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE DEAD, THIS WHOLE MONT INCORPORATION, BUT IF IT'S NOT DEAD, UM, THEN, UH, THEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK IN TERMS OF COMING UP WITH A TRANSITION PLAN.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, BASICALLY, AND I, AND WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER PERSON, UH, TO HELP, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE STAFF, UH, TO DO IT YOURSELF IF, UM, IF, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S OBVIOUS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE CREATION OF A SEPARATE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND BRINGING IN A HUMAN RESOURCES PROFESSIONAL TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT.
IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT THAT PERSON TAKES ON MIGHT INCLUDE SOME OF THESE DUTIES THAT YOU ARE OUTLINING, PARTICULARLY IF IT COMES DOWN TO A STAFF RESHUFFLE.
UM, THAT PERSON WOULD BE INTEGRALLY INVOLVED IN A STAFF, ANY STAFF RESHUFFLE THAT ANY INCORPORATION WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD CREATE, RIGHT? SO, SO, UM, WHILE WE ARE THINKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS.
UM, AND IT MAY BE THAT THE ADVENT OF THAT PERSON, THAT NEW DEPARTMENT MIGHT ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT THE NEED FOR AN OPERATIONS PERSON, UM, WOULD, WOULD BE MORE, WOULD BE CLEARER.
BUT THE THING IS, LET'S SAY ESMAN INCORPORATES, WE, WE WERE TALKING THAT IT'S A MINIMUM OF $8 MILLION LOSS IN REVENUE IN THE B FUND A YEAR TO THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHAT OUR ESTIMATES ARE.
IF, UM, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN WE BA SAY TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE REVENUES OR THREE, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, FROM, UH, ALL THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THEN, UM, THERE COULD BE LONG, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE, WE'RE BEEN INCREASING SALARIES, WE'VE BEEN INCREASING STAFF, WE'RE INCREASING EXPENSES.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MONEY, UM, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, THREE OR FOUR YEARS? UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE, WE HAVE LIKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD PLAN.
WE WON'T HAVE THE REVENUES THAT I'M ANTICIPATING.
YOU KNOW, YOU DISAGREE THAT YOU THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT THIS YEAR.
BUT THE THING IS, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE LIKE A LONG-TERM PLAN, SO I DON'T, I'M NOT LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO, UM, IS, UM, UM, A HUMAN RESOURCES PERSON.
I'M LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO COULD HELP THE TOWN, UM, WITH, WHO HAS A GOOD FINANCE BACKGROUND.
AND YOU'RE UNDERESTIMATING WHAT A HUMAN RESOURCES PERSON.
AND YOU'RE ALSO UNDERESTIMATING WHAT OUR CONTROLLER AND HER DEPARTMENT CAN DO OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM THAT I I SAY, SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DAY-TO-DAY, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME.
SO IF I'M SAYING TO YOU, OH, BY THE WAY, ROBERTA, YOUR JOB NOW AND A STAFF OF EIGHT WHAT? RIGHT? AND A STAFF OF EIGHT.
AND IF YOU THINK THERE'S MORE THAT THE, THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE SHOULD DO, LET'S FUND THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? BUT MY FEELING IS THAT WE REALLY NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP THE TOWN COME UP WITH A, LIKE A FIVE YEAR TRANSITION, UH, PERIOD.
SO THIS WAY WE COULD HAVE THE LEAST POSS UNDER WORST CASE SCENARIOS, UM, THE LEAST.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE PROFESSIONALS, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WE HAVE THOSE PROFESSIONALS THAT COULD DO THAT.
IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU TASK THEM AND THEN MANAGE THAT TASK, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T, IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH A FIVE YEAR PLAN, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE PROFESSIONALS, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS SAY, THIS IS YOUR GOAL.
THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO.
THIS IS THE DATA I WANT IT DONE BY.
BECAUSE BASICALLY WE WERE SAYING FIVE, YOU KNOW, A HALF HOUR AGO THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS VERY SHORT, UH, STAFFED BUILDING WHY WE MORE MONEY GIVE SOME, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED THE FUNDING FOR.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING OUR POINT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO HIRE AN EXTRA PERSON IN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE VACANCIES WE HAVE IF, IF PEOPLE WEREN'T GETTING POACHED AND GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE, OR NOT EVEN POACHED, THEY'RE LEAVING ON THEIR OWN TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE BECAUSE OF THE SALARIES.
IF WE'RE PROPERLY STAFFED, THE MACHINE WILL WORK BETTER.
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WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TASKING THE DEPARTMENTS TO COME UP OPERATIONALLY, FINANCIALLY WITH THEIR PLAN, AND THEN THAT HAS TO BE EVALUATED.BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY CAN DO IF THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY STAFFED.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
AND I THINK THAT PERHAPS THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THAT, THAT PERSON WHO WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE OPERATIONS MANAGER, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE ALL THE INGREDIENTS TO MAKE THE PIE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN ANY CASE.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO START INCREMENTALLY AND MAKE SURE OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR CONTROLLER IS MAKING NOTES AND THEN CROSSING IT OUT,
WELL, COULD I BRING UP ANOTHER ISSUE? AND, AND IT IS A LARGE ISSUE AND IT'S DECEMBER 12TH AND IT'S A BIG ISSUE TO BRING UP AT THIS TIME, BUT WE FOUND THAT IT'S JUST SO CLOSE TO WHEN THE BUDGET'S DUE.
BUT I DID MENTION IT LAST WEEK'S WORK SESSION THAT OUR SELF-INSURED RETENTION IS DOUBLING FROM 250,000 TO 500,000, WHICH WAS SHOCKING TO EVERYBODY.
UM, I EXPECTED SOMEWHAT OF AN INCREASE, BUT NOT THIS LARGE OF AN INCREASE.
AND, UH, WE FOUND THAT OUT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SEE, FIRST OF ALL IF WE COULD FIND ANOTHER PROVIDER AND HAVE THAT SIR DECREASED AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO AT THIS TIME.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED AT THIS POINT.
UM, IS THAT 'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF CLAIMS? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION AND THE SIZE OF THE CLAIMS AND THE SIZE OF THE CLAIMS. UM, EVEN IF THEY ARE LATER DETERMINED NOT TO BE MERITORIOUS, IT'S THE FACT THAT THEY'RE EXISTING, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, UH, E EVEN A NOTICE OF CLAIM HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO INSURANCE.
SO EVEN IF THE ACTUAL SUIT IS NOT FILED, THAT NOTICE OF CLAIM COULD BE EXISTING FOR A FULL YEAR.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EVEN MORE LIABILITY THAN WE DO.
SO THERE'S REALLY A LOT GOING AGAINST US IN TERMS OF THAT AMOUNT BEING DECIDED.
UM, IT'S ALSO BECOMING VERY BURDENSOME ON THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT EVERY DEPUTY IS STRUGGLING TO GET THROUGH THEIR WORK.
THEY GET HERE IN THE MORNING, THEY LEAVE AT NIGHT, GET CONSTANT WORKFLOW, AND IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH THE VOLUME.
UM, FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE HAVE BEEN SHORT ONE DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY.
I HAVE USED OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR TAX ARI, AND PREVIOUSLY I WAS THE DEPUTY, UH, WHO WAS IN HOUSE.
WE WENT TO USE AN OUTSIDE SOURCE.
UM, I'VE DETERMINED, AND I THINK ROBERTA COULD SHOW IT TOO, IF WE HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT IT HAS SAVED THE TOWN MONEY FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.
I'M ESTIMATING ABOUT $75,000, 70,000 SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
UM, IN THE PAST YEAR, I'VE ALSO BEEN VERY FISCALLY PRUDENT IN TERMS OF OUTSIDE SOURCES, LIKE, UM, INTERNS, UH, ANY FEES WITH DOCUMENTS.
I, I CAN'T GET TOO SPECIFIC IN THIS, BUT DOCUMENTS NEEDED FOR LAWSUITS, VERY FISCALLY PRUDENT, PROBABLY SAVING AN ADDITIONAL 20 TO $30,000.
AND I COULD SHOW THIS TO EVERYONE AS WELL.
UM, WHAT I'M ASKING THE TOWN TO CONSIDER IS BASED ON THE SAVINGS FROM THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE DEPUTY AND FOR OTHER SOURCES AS WELL.
IF WE WOULD CONSIDER BRINGING ON ANOTHER FULL-TIME DEPUTY ATTORNEY TO REPLACE MY PAST POSITION BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH MY STAFF, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR INSURANCE CARRIER, UM, I DON'T THINK, I KNOW THAT MONEY WILL NOT COST OF TOWN THE AMOUNT OF THAT ATTORNEY'S SALARY BECAUSE THAT ATTORNEY WILL BE BILLING.
I I'M, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A LITIGANT IF YOU, UM, INCLUDE THIS THAT WOULD BE ABLE, THE LITIGANT WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, CHARGE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY PER HOUR FOR CASES THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT HAVE A SELF-INSURED RETENTION.
AND I BELIEVE OVER A YEAR SPAN IT WOULD BE CLOSE TO EQUALING OUT, IF NOT EQUALING OUT THAT PERSON'S SALARY.
NOW IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF CLAIMS. IT DEPENDS HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
OUR INSURANCE POLICY ALLOWS US TO GET REIMBURSED FOR IN-HOUSE COUNSEL.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA, YOU WANNA EXPLAIN? MIGHT WANNA SAY IT.
I KNOW I'M TRYING TO A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, NO, OUR, SO YES, OUR ATTORNEYS CAN BILL TO THE INSURANCE CARRIER.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A RATE RIGHT NOW WE'RE,
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WE'RE LOOKING TO EVEN INCREASE THAT RATE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BELOW.WE MARKET VALUE IN A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN OUR OFFICE.
THEY WOULD GET A MUCH HIGHER RATE IF THEY WEREN'T PART OF GOVERNMENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO HOPEFULLY INCLUDE THAT.
BUT, SO THE LITIGANT COULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND CHARGE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF HOURS TO, OF THOSE CASES WHICH HAVE THE SIR AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS ENOUGH WORK THAT IT'S NOT LIKE IF ANOTHER ATTORNEY COMES IN, THE REST OF THE ATTORNEYS WILL BE DOING LESS WORK.
AND ALSO, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO USE OUTSIDE COUNSEL IF WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE POSITION.
SO, AND I WILL ADMIT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN CASES THAT WILL NEED OUTSIDE COUNSEL ANYWAY, REGARDLESS.
THEY'RE SO HIGHLY SPECIFIC THAT IF WE WERE TO USE, EVEN EVERYONE IN MY STAFF AND MYSELF, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE.
THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN ISSUES THAT I WILL STILL RECOMMEND SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR.
WE TRY TO REDUCE THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME CLAIMS THAT COME IN FROM TIME TO TIME.
BUT THIS COULD, THIS POSITION COULD BE, UM, IF IT'S CREATED BASICALLY WOULD ENABLE US TO USE LESS OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
SO THAT, SO IF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKELY OR NOT LIKELY? I BELIEVE LIKELY, BUT AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT I COULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT LITIGANT.
UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, I HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE WITH THIS HIGHLY SPECIALIZED SUBJECT MATTER, THEN YES, WE COULD OF COURSE USE THEM.
BUT I DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.
RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT SALARY ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I WOULD SAY ABOUT 130,000 BUCKS.
SO IF YOU SAY 130,000 AND THAT IS VERY LOW.
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO FIND SOMEONE, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR NOW BASED ON CURRENT SALARIES.
SO IF YOU COULD DO 130, UM, HOW MUCH OF THAT SAY 130 RIGHT NOW WOULD BE SPENT ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL? LIKE SAY THIS YEAR, HOW MUCH OF THAT 130 DO YOU THINK YOU SPENT ON? IT'S VERY HARD.
YEAH, IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY WITHOUT HAVING THAT PERSON'S SPECIFIC RESUME.
AND OF COURSE WE'LL DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
IS THAT THE QUESTION OR ARE YOU SAYING, ARE YOU ASKING IN THE PAST YEAR, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL? THAT MIGHT BE MITIGATED, RIGHT? BY HAVING SOMEONE ON SALARIES.
SO ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL IN SOME THINGS.
DID THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? IT DOES, BUT I CAN'T CALCULATE THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT KNOWING IF I WERE TO HIRE SOMEONE, WHAT THEIR EXPERTISE IS, WHAT THEY CAN TAKE AWAY.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO HIRE SOMEONE, DO YOU SEE ANYWHERE WHERE THERE CAN BE ANY FAT CUT IN THE EXISTING? UH, DO YOU SEE ANYWHERE WHERE THERE CAN BE ANY FAT CUT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT TO OFFSET? TO OFFSET BRINGING IN THAT PERSON? POTENTIALLY.
UM, I ALSO, LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALREADY KIND OF CUT SOME THINGS OUT OVER THE PAST YEAR.
UM, THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL WE USE FOR TAXER IS FANTASTIC, BUT IT DOES TAKE MY OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THOSE LOWER COSTS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A SHORT TERM MM-HMM.
AS LONG AS THEY KEEP PROVIDING THAT EXCELLENT WORK PRODUCT.
AND YOU SAVE ON THOSE BILLABLE HOURS BECAUSE YOUR EXPERTISE, ONE OF YOUR, UH, AREAS OF EXPERTISE YES.
ARE TAX CERTS SO YOU CAN GIVE THEM GUIDANCE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW WHEN, IF THEY'RE GOING ASTRAY AND YES, WE TALK ALMOST EVERY DAY.
AND YOU DO ALL OTHER STUFF AGAIN? MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SAVINGS YOU CAN COME UP WITH.
IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT'D BE GOOD.
SO THEN YOU HAVE TIA THAT, BECAUSE THAT WE'RE JUST ADDING AND ADDING.
SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE BASICALLY WE'LL HAVE LIKE NO FUND BALANCE LEFT 50.
WELL THEN MAYBE WE HAVE TO PUT ON NICE, UH, OPERATIONS MANAGER UNTIL WE GET, UM, UNTIL WE GET OURSELVES BETTER SITUATIONS SITUATED LEGALLY.
LEGALLY AND, AND, UM, AND WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
WELL WOULDN'T IT BE IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, UH, EARMARKING FUNDS AND PUTTING THEM IN CONTINGENCY FOR THEIR RESTRUCTURING, WOULDN'T THIS BE PART OF THAT SAME NO, HE'S ASKING FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROGRAM.
THAT'S, OH, THIS IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
IT IS ASKING FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED AND ADDED TO THE BUDGET.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BRINGING THIS UP EARLIER.
HAD THE SIR INFORMATION COME OUT EARLIER, THIS IS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED.
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I, WHEN I SUBMITTED THE BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER, I'LL BE UPFRONT, I CONSIDERED ASKING FOR ANOTHER ATTORNEY BECAUSE OF HOW STRETCHED EVERYONE IS IN THE CURRENT POSITION.I THOUGHT I MIGHT REVISIT IT LAST YEAR THEN WHEN THE SIR IN INFORMATION CAME OUT, I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA COST THE TOWN SO MUCH MONEY IN THE LONG RUN AND THIS IS ONE WAY TO HELP THE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, SPEAKING OF MONIES, I'M, I'M SEEING, UM, SUMMER INTERNS AT 25,000.
I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD CAPPED THAT AT 50.
SO WE'VE HAD A LOT MORE INTERNS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR THAN WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT TO 15, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL TRY GETTING, UM, FOUNDATION FUNDS FOR THE REST.
AND THEN I NOTICED THAT IT'S IN YOUR BUDGET, NOT IN THE TOWN CLERK'S BUDGET.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.
IF YOU UH, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, DO IT WITH ME, UH, THEN WE COULD PUT IT BACK IN THE, UH, TOWN CLERK'S BUDGET.
I, I DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW SURE.
PUT IT BACK IN THE, YOU'D RATHER YOU'D, YOU WANNA DO THE INTERN THIS? THAT'D BE GREAT.
I THEN WE COULD PUT IT BACK IN THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE AT 15 OR 25, WE CAN PUT 30, 15 GREAT TRUCK
AND, AND YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS PAST YEAR AT GETTING SOME FOUNDATION FUNDS.
SO IF WE CAN SUPPLEMENT IT, WE CAN SUPPLEMENT IT.
BUT THAT'S, LET'S START ALSO MY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OH, WE GOT 38 PEOPLE OR 46, BUT THEN I THINK IT WAS 38 AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED IN, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD URGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROGRAM AND SEE IF YOU CAN PROVIDE A MORE MEANINGFUL EXPERIENCE, UM, WITH THEM INTERACTING WITH DEPARTMENTS IN TOWN HALL, LIKE A REAL INTERNSHIP PROGRAM AS OPPOSED TO LISTENING TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PROMINENT PEOPLE SPEAK TO THEM.
WE'VE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT WHEN THE CLERKS, WHEN THE, THE NEW CLERK IS IN POSITION.
WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD JUST FOCUS ON THE BUDGET.
I SAY ONE GOOD NEWS THING ABOUT THE INTERNS, UH, UH, LAST WEEK, I'M WORKING WITH ANOTHER INTERN NOW.
UM, AND HE'S SETTING UP A TECH ANGEL PROGRAM, UH, WHERE, UH, HE'S GOING TO THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER TWICE A MONTH, MINIMUM OF TWICE A MONTH AND PROVIDING SENIOR CITIZENS WITH, UM, ADVICE AND HELP WITH, UH, COMPUTERS.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS FOR SENIORS, YOU KNOW, MAKING HOUSE CALLS TO SENIORS.
WHERE IS THAT IN THE BUDGET? NOTHING.
OH, HOUSTON, THAT'S NOT A SUMMER INTERN.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PAY $600? BECAUSE WELL, I'M SAYING IS THAT IT SOUNDS NO, BECAUSE WHAT I'M CONFUSED WHY WE, BECAUSE THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL, UM, AND THE STUDENTS HAVE BEEN SO MOTIVATED THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE COME UP WITH, AFTER THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS HAS COME UP WITH REALLY CREATIVE IDEAS AS TO WHAT ELSE THEY COULD DO FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER.
SO WE STARTED THE LANDSCAPE ANGELS PROGRAM.
WE HAVE THE SNOW ANGELS, WE HAVE NOW THE TECH ANGELS.
HOW MUCH DO THE SNOW ANGELS AND THE, AND THE LANDSCAPE ANGELS GET NOTHING? UH, NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE MOTIVATED BECAUSE SOME OF THEM, BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCES THEY HAD WITH THE, UM, THE, THE SUMMER INTERNSHIP, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, SO WHY WAS IT $40,000 LAST YEAR FOR THE SUMMER INTERNS WHEN YOU HAD ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE DOING? YEAH, BECAUSE DURING THE YEAR, I, I DO IT ONE-ON-ONE WITH PEOPLE.
I THINK WE SHOULD, WE, LET'S STICK WITH, IT'S A REALLY AMAZING PROJECT RIGHT NOW AND GO INTO THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? BUT, SO JUST TO REVISIT THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN I, I BELIEVE WHAT WE DISCUSSED IS RATHER THAN GIVE HER AN INCREASE, WE'RE GONNA PUT THE MONEY IN THE CONTINGENCY AND FIGURE OUT IF SHE SHOULD GET AN INCREASE.
OR DID WE DECIDE TO GIVE HER AN INCREASE IN THIS BUDGET? IT SOUNDED LIKE WE HAVEN'T UNTIL TOMORROW TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
WELL IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD GIVE YOU INCREASE.
I, I'M, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INCREASE WOULD BE.
AGAIN, I JUST, I AM AND CAN I ASK, I SAID THAT TO YOU BEFORE, UNLESS YOU DISAGREE.
NO, I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I, I GUESS WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT, AND I'M, WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THOSE WHEN WE PUT THE CALL OUT, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUES WITH THEIR BUDGET, COME SPEAK TO US.
NORMALLY EVERY DEPARTMENT COMES TO SPEAK TO US FOR SOME REASON OR OTHER.
THIS YEAR FOUR DID THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, ADMITTEDLY LATE.
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UM, I, I WAS, I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED.THAT'S BECAUSE WE DID A GOOD JOB.
WELL, THAT COULD VERY WELL BE.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY WERE ALL, EVERYBODY ELSE WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THEIR BUDGETS.
UM, USUALLY YOU WANT PEOPLE THAT, WELL THEY'RE NOT THRILLED WITH THEM, BUT THEY CAN LIVE WITH THEM.
BUT APPARENTLY THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THEIR BUDGETS, BUT THERE ARE FOUR DEPARTMENTS, UH, THAT NEEDED ADJUSTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING.
SARAH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE ON BUDGET? UH, QUESTIONS? IF THERE IS, I'LL, I'LL SEND, I CAN, WE COULD DO AN EMAIL TO, WE COULD DO AN EMAIL TO ROBERT.
SO THEN WE HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? I DON'T THINK THERE DID.
WHAT'S THAT? LOOK AT MY EMAIL.
SO WE'RE DONE WITH THE BUDGET PART FRONT.
I CAN GO, OH WAIT, THERE WAS ONE MORE THING.
I WOULD TIP BACK SLOWLY, BUT RIGHT NOW YEAH, I WOULD TIPTOE SLOWLY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT TO THE DOOR,
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY TIPTOE SLOWLY.
I THINK YOU'RE STILL ON ZOOM UPSTAIRS.
THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW WHEN TO COME DOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, I, I GOT OUT WHEN I CAME DOWN.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT CAN WAIT.
SO IN TERMS OF TOMORROW'S MEETING, SEE YOU LATER.
BYE-BYE FOR THE, FOR THE APPOINTMENTS.
DON'T WE HAVE THE, DIDN'T WE HAVE AN ETHICS PERSON THAT, UH, COMPLETED EVERYTHING? WHO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE INTERVIEWED HIM ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE NEVER MADE THE APPOINTMENT.
BUT IF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MENTION, DON'T MENTION THE PERSON'S NAME.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT INSIDE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET, UH, FROM JOAN, LIKE A LIST OF ALL THE PEOPLE WE'VE INTERVIEWED FOR POSITIONS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE POSITION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOLLOWING UP.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT SOMETIMES WE MEET WITH PEOPLE AND WE INTERVIEW, WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AFTER JANUARY.
NO, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET A, LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHO WE, WHO WE'VE ALSO THAT'S WHY LISA'S TAKEN IT.
NO, BUT WHO WE'VE INTERVIEWED SO FAR THIS YEAR.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED WHO WE NEVER GOT BACK TO.
WELL, THAT'S, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.
I JUST KNOW ON THE ETHICS THING, WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY INTERVIEWED SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN APPOINTED.
YEAH, BUT I DIDN'T, WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE.
YEAH, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE.
PAUL, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THEM.
NO, BUT I'M JUST DON'T MAKE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOBS.
NO, BUT I'M JUST MENTIONING, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, BUT WE ARE, WE FOLLOW UP, BUT, AND WE ARE SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME CHALLENGES.
JOE, THAT WAS A GREAT FIND, YOU KNOW THAT COOPERATION AGREEMENT
AND ACTUALLY WHILE SITTING HERE, THAT DIDN'T FALL UNDER A BLIND SQUIRREL DID IT?
UM, CANDIDATE ELECT NERO ACTUALLY SENT ME INFORMATION AS WELL FOR THE, UH, HUD MOVING FORWARD THAT I LOOKED AT THE FORM AND IT MATCHED THE OLD FORM AS WELL.
SO EVEN FURTHER INFORMATION THAT HELPED, SHE'S NO LONGER A CANDIDATE.
BUT IT'S REALLY SOUND CLERK ELECT.
I WAS TRYING TO COMPLIMENT TO YOU.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER HAVEN.
I, I LOOKED AT IT ABOUT 10 TIMES OVER THINKING.
HOW'S THAT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO THE CERTIFICATES FOR THE DISTRIBUTION, THOSE CERTIFICATES ARE COMING DIRECTLY FROM YOU.
WOULD NOT, THE TOWN BOARD WON'T BE INCLUDED.
I MEAN, THE COUNCIL WON'T BE INCLUDED.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KRISTA DID.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE THE, I DON'T, I FORGOT.
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DESK.IS THAT OFFICE OF THE SUPERVISOR? IT SAYS OFFICE OF THE SUPERVISOR.
SO ARE GOING FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE THESE RECOGNITIONS, ARE YOU GOING TO INCLUDE US? IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BOARD WANTS.
IF IT'S LIKE NON-CONTROVERSIAL, I COULD INCLUDE IT BECAUSE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR CERTIFICATES OR WE DECIDE TO DO IT AND IT'S LIKE LAST MINUTE.
SO IF THE BOARD WOULD GIMME SORT OF LIKE A, UH, A DIRECTIVE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO WON AN AWARD, UH, OR I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE EASIER, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, IF YOU COULD JUST ADVISE US AND SAY, GINA JACKSON HAS ASKED FOR CERTIFICATES FOR THE STUDENTS OVER AT WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL AND SHE NEEDS ABOUT 15 OF THEM.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE CORRECT.
EVERY TIME YOU'VE ASKED KRISTA TO DO A PROCLAMATION OR A CERTIFICATE, SHE'S ALWAYS DONE IT FOR YOU.
I'M NOT THE, OKAY, I CAN'T EVEN USE YOU.
SOMEONE, SAM, TOM OVER HERE IS COMING TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE 10 STUDENTS FROM WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL FOR DOING X, Y, AND Z.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS, HEY, TOWN BOARD, I RECEIVED THE REQUEST.
CHRISTA CAN SEND IT OUT AND SAY, HEY, I RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM WHATEVER I JUST NAMED THAT GENTLEMAN OR PERSON.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO SAM THOMAS IS, BUT IN SAYING, AND I WANNA GIVE 15 CERTIFICATES FOR THIS REASON.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN EVERYBODY CAN CHIME IN AND SAY, AND YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT GO FURTHER.
YOU CAN SIGN OFF ON IT'S FINE.
I THINK IT'S, AND I THINK IT'S MORE, I THINK IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE AND I THINK IT, IT'S MORE GOOD IF THAT'S FINE.
LET ME JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.
WE SIGNED THEM JUST LIKE YOU SIGNED THEM.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SIGN THEM BECAUSE IT FEELS MORE OFFICIAL.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE SEES AND IT JUST GET A TYPE, IT WAS LIKE, ONLY PAUL CARES ABOUT US.
SO I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AND IT FEELS, IT LOOKS BETTER.
IF WE, YOU KNOW, SIGN AS A TEAM COLLECTIVELY, WHATEVER, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE JOINT WORDS I TRY TO BRING THIS TOGETHER ON AND DO THAT GOING FORWARD.
AND IT GIVES IT MORE SUBSTANCE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION.
FOR OUR LAST KRIS, AND FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR JUDITH WATSON.
AND IN THAT PROCLAMATION IT SAID THAT THE TOWN BOARD NAMED THIS DAY AFTER HER.
AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT UNTIL WE READ IT.
AND IT WOULD BETTER IF THE, WHEN YOU DO THESE PROCLAMATIONS AND, AND NO ONE'S, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THERE.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT PROCLAMATION OR HER, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN ACTION OF THE BOARD THAT NAMED A DAY AFTER SOMEBODY, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF IT WAS ACTUALLY LEGITIMATE.
IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CHANGE IN 2024 ON TB THREE.
ARE WE ON AGENDA REVIEW? YES, WE ARE.
IT SAYS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED IN THE LEASE, THE RELEASE OF TRUST AND AGENCY PARKLAND FUNDS FOR MASTER PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE 14.1 ACRE PARK THAT BORDERS EASTBROOK PARK.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS PREMATURE BECAUSE, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SITE IS A CONTAMINATED SITE, UM, CONTAMINATED, UH, SOILS AND ALL THE MATERIALS HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT SITE.
UH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INITIATED AFTER A VERY LONG TIME, UH, LAST WEEK.
AND I DON'T, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, AFTER THAT, AND THEY GET OFF THE, THE ILLEGAL FILL THAT WAS PUT ONTO THE SITE, UH, IT THEN GOES THROUGH A BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS A GOLF COURSE AND THE PESTICIDES WERE USED.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THIS 14.1 ACRES IS REAL AND WE WILL GET IT.
BUT I'M WONDERING ABOUT SPENDING MONEY, UM, THIS EARLY IN THE GAME FOR, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
I KNOW IT'S GONE THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD AND, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THEY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SITE WHEN PHIL WAS BROUGHT ONTO THE SITE AND IT WAS FOUND BY THE BILLING INSPECTOR TO BE, UH, AND DPW TO BE CONTAMINATED.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT BY TOMORROW NIGHT.
SO IF WE DON'T GET IT TOMORROW NIGHT, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA HOLD IT OVER.
WITH PK F O'CONNOR DAVIES AS AUDITORS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING FOR YEARS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING A BID FOR THE AUDITING AND YOU KNOW, WE NEVER, WE
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NEVER DO.UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S, I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, LATE, I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD JUST, UH, UM, APPROVE A ONE YEAR RATHER THAN A TWO YEAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE COULD DECIDE AS A BOARD IF WE WANT OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, DO AN RFP AS YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO OVER, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE FOR THE AUDITING 2023.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT, PEOPLE SAY IT'S STANDARD.
UM, GOOD PRACTICE IN THE, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO AT LEAST LOOK AT CHANGING AUDITORS EVERY FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
SO YOU CAN WRITE UP A R YOU WANNA WIRE THE RFP.
DO I WANNA WRITE IT? NO, THAT WOULD BE REVER IT.
YOU WANNA WRITE AN RP? NO, I'M JUST ASKING YOU.
I'M JUST SAYING, DO YOU WANNA START WRITING THE RFP FOR IT? YOU'RE, YOU CAN START LOOKING AT IT.
YEAH, BUT SHOULD, SO SHOULD WE JUST TELL ROBERTA THAT IT WILL BE FOR ONE YEAR? I NEED TO REREAD IT.
'CAUSE I, THERE MAY BE COST SAVINGS BY DOING TWO YEARS.
I, I'LL HAVE IT READ BY TOMORROW NIGHT, BUT I, I JUST, BUT GOING BUT THERE COULD ALSO BE COST FORWARD.
WE SHOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT, MAYBE TAKING A LOOK AT, BUT THERE COULD ALSO BE COST.
THERE COULD ALSO BE COST SAVINGS IF YOU DO AN RFP BECAUSE THEY COULD BE SAYING IT'S 99,502,000 AND, UH, 24.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A OTHER COMPANY THAT WOULD DO IT FOR 80,000 INSTEAD OF 99.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST GOT IN, WE DID, UM, WE DID AN RFP.
IT TURNED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST YEAR WE GOT, LIKE, THE FIRST FEW YEARS WE GOT FANTASTIC, YOU KNOW, DEALS FROM LIKE THE, FROM THE AUDITORS.
BUT, UM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE TOWN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE LOSING MONEY.
SO THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, BENNETT KALE AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE THE, THE MAJOR ONE AND THEY DID IT EVERY YEAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT YOU HAVE TO, I'D SAY FOR PROBABLY OVER 30 YEARS, WE, 25, 26 YEARS WE'VE USED THE SAME FIRM.
AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T, AND PE I REMEMBER PEOPLE SAID THAT'S REALLY NOT GREAT FROM A FINANCIAL THING.
I MEAN, WE, WE MAY END UP ABUSING THEM.
SO WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ONCE WE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SAYING I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER JUST DOING A ONE YEAR AND THEN, AND THEN IF THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S AN RFP, I BET YOU THE PRICE WILL BE LESS.
WELL, LET'S LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AGAIN.
'CAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTRACT.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND ONCE WE FIGURE OUT THE CONTRACT, LET'S REMEMBER TO RAISE THAT TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT? CO2.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CEREMONY FOR THE APPOINTING OFFICERS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
AND HOW LONG ARE THESE PRESENTATIONS FOR? SO WE HAVE THE ONE THAT SAYS COUNCILWOMAN ELLEN HENDRICKS.
HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA BE FOR? THAT'S ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
NO, JUST, WE JUST WANT, JUST GIVE SOME IDEA.
NO, I THINK WE SHOULD BE AN HOUR.
10 MINUTES AND THEN I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT TO FIVE.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S GONNA BE MR. HAM'S GONNA BE PRESENT.
YEAH, HE'S GONNA BE PRE PRESENT.
SO WHAT DID YOU, SO THE PROCLAMATION, DO YOU HAVE IT SO WE ALL CAN SIGN? I HAVE A
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CERTIFICATE.OR I COULD, I COULD ASK A PROCLAMATION IF YOU PRO YEAH.
WOULD YOU WANT ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WOULD YOU HAVE, I, I DON'T YOU KNEW ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
SO CAN YOU, CAN WE, WE CAN, CAN YOU HAVE KRISTA CREATE THE PROCLAMATION? WE CAN ALL SIGN IT FOR TOMORROW.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER LOCATIONS WITH WHAT ABOUT SCHOOL FOR THE DEATH, FOR THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY? THEY, THEY HAVE TO GET BACK TO ME WITH THE TIME THEY, THEY GOT BACK TO ME, UH, TODAY.
BUT, UH, THEY DIDN'T CONFIRM THE TIME YET.
UM, I MENTIONED TO EVERYONE WHO GOT REELECTED OR ELECTED.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT I, THE TWO ONES WE HAD HIREVUE AND SPRINGHURST.
SPRINGHURST IS, UM, BEFORE, UM, STUDENT COUNCIL.
THE SPRINGHURST IS LIKE SPRINGHURST OLDER.
COULD YOU SEND THE DETAILS TO JONES SO SHE COULD PUT THAT ON THERE? I DID.
DID SHE, DIDN'T SHE? WHEN DID YOU SEND IT? LIKE A WEEK AGO.
UH, WHEN, WHEN I SENT IT TO YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S ON THERE.
THINK I GOT AN EMAIL FROM PAUL.
IT'S JUST REALLY THE, THE NEW YORK SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF.
BUT I SHOULD HAVE, IT'S JUST IF WE'RE HAVING A, NOT ON A RUNNING LIST OF, YOU KNOW, THE EVENTS WHERE THE SWEARING ENDS ARE.
MIGHT AS WELL MAKE IT ACCURATE.
ARE WE GOOD? AS GOOD AS WE WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I PUT, AS SOON AS I PUT THAT IN NAME IN IT PULLED UP LAST YEAR WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SPRINGHURST ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS MADE MY DAY.
AND THAT WAS THE SWEARING IN LAST YEAR.
DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT PRINCIPLE NOW.
AN ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT THAT'S AT 10 O'CLOCK APPARENTLY.
WE GOOD? UM, SUPERVISOR? SUPERVISOR.
SO WE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR, UH, AN HOUR LEFT BEFORE THE VOTING.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION VOTE NOW AND THEN COME BACK? NO, THAT WOULD BE WORSE.
FOR ANYONE WATCHING THIS LIVE ON, ON TUESDAY, THE, UH, DECEMBER 12TH, UH, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE FINISHING OUR MEETING, UM, UH, PRIOR TO NINE O'CLOCK.
IF YOU LIVE IN FAIRVIEW, HARTSDALE OR GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT THERE, THE ELECTIONS ARE TONIGHT OR THE BUDGET VOTE IS DENIED.
YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? OKAY.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE IN VARIOUS MATTERS.