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[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, January 17, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 17TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
AND, UH, MR. DESAI IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING, SO MS. SPARKS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
UH, I KNOW MATT DOESN'T THINK ALL THAT MUCH OF MR. HAY, BUT I DO.
HIS NAME SHOULD BE CAPITALIZED.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR NOT BEING HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I DID ON THE, UH, CHICK-FIL-A I WANT TO ADD, DID YOU, DID YOU CREATE LANGUAGE AARON FROM YESTERDAY? I WANT, ONE OF THE THINGS I ISN'T IN, IN, IN HERE IS I WANT A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AS TO WHAT WE AGREED TO FOR THE ADDITIONAL DR UH, QUEUING TRAFFIC STUDY.
WHICH WAS FOUR MORE, UH, SITES, PEAK HOURS.
TWO, TWO DAYS, THURSDAY AND SATURDAY.
WAS IT THURSDAY, WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY OR CORRECT.
UM, THE SITES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AGREED TO WITH MR. CANNING.
THAT WAS WHAT WE AGREED TO, RIGHT? EVERYBODY AGREED.
IT'S GONNA BE, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE IN THE NORTHEAST REGION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY WORK.
WE WERE HOPING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAME OUT THAT WAY, THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE ONES IS ONE THAT IF WE WANTED TO DRIVE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THEM BE ABLE TO SEE ONE OF THEM MYSELF IN ACTION BESIDES WHATEVER THEY DO.
UM, SO I WANT TO ADD THOSE, THAT LANGUAGE, SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO, TO THE MINUTES.
FOR A SITE VISIT? NO, NOT FOR THE SITE.
FOR WHAT, WHAT NEXT STEPS? IT'S A SUMMARY BASICALLY AT THE END, JUST SO IT'S VERY MINUTES.
JUST GETTING MORE SPECIFIC MINUTES.
AND IN ADDITION, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT THOSE SITES THAT ARE SELECTED SHOULD BE REPRESENTED IN DESIGN TO WHAT? UH, IT BE PROPOSED AT THE PSYCHE IN GREENVILLE.
MAKE SURE YOU PUT THAT INTO, IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY HAD NARROWED IT DOWN TO 12 SITES THAT THEY THOUGHT WERE REPRESENTATIVE AND THEY SHOWED US A SITE PLAN AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PICK FOUR OUT OF THOSE 12 REPRESENTATIVE SITES, CORRECT? YEAH.
ANY OTHER CHANGES? ANYBODY HAS TO THE MINUTES? NO.
WELL, GOOD JOB AGAIN FOR MATT.
I TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, EXCUSE ME.
ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN.
MINUTES APPROVED CORRESPONDENCE.
THERE'S, THERE WERE SEVERAL PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE, MOST OF THEM RELATED TO THE A DU LAW.
WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE A DU LAW ONES WHEN THEY COME.
THE ONE THAT I WANT, UH, TO BE DESCRIBED, UH, BY AARON IS THE ONE FOR MR. ESCALADES ABOUT THE CO THE SE SEVENTH EXTENSION ON, UH, THE KAUFMAN SUBDIVISION.
AARON, WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO HIM? OKAY, DR.
SO IT RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 26, THE KAUFMAN SUBDIVISION AT 36 HILLCREST AVENUE ARDSLEY.
UH, THE PLANNING BOARD GRANTED PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL SOME TIME AGO, AND, UH, WE DID RE REQUEST, UH, RECEIVE A REQUEST FOR EXTENSION AGAIN FROM MR. ESCALADES.
HE NOTED IN THE LETTER THAT, UM, THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS RESULTED IN SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, SPECIFICALLY THAT THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WANTS TO SEE THE EXISTING WATER MAIN LINE THAT SERVES THE EXISTING HOME THAT THE PROPERTY'S BEING SUBDIVIDED OFF OF.
SO HE HAS TO PUT THAT ON THE PLAT RESUBMIT, GET IT ENDORSED, AND THEN HE CAN COME BACK FOR FINAL.
NOW THIS IS THE SEVENTH EXTENSION REQUEST.
SO, UM, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER MAYBE GIVING THIS THE ONE LAST EXTENSION.
HOW MUCH TIME DOES HE DOING? 180 DAYS? NO, HE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING YESTERDAY.
I SPOKE WITH HIM OVER THE PHONE.
YEAH, MY MY COMMENT IS, THIS IS A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS ASKED FOR NUMEROUS EXTENSIONS, NOT ONLY IN THIS PROJECT, BUT OTHER ONES.
UM, I, MY FEELING IS I'M WILLING TO GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THIS ONE LAST TIME, BUT BEYOND THIS, HE HAS TO COME BACK AND START ALL OVER AGAIN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DAYS FEELS, WASN'T THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BACKLOGGED FOR A WHILE AFTER COVID, BUT HE SCREWED UP? THEY WERE OKAY, BUT
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HE, HE, BUT HE DIDN'T SUBMIT WHAT THEY NEEDED.WELL, I, I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS, I THINK WE SHOULD GRANT THIS EXTENSION AND WHEN HE COMES BACK NEXT TIME HE'S ON NOTICE THAT WE MAY NOT GIVE IT TO HIM.
JUST MAY NOT, JUST MAY NOT, YEAH.
JUST IN CASE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SITS ON IT.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MAKE ANY DECISION ABOUT FUTURE EXTENSIONS NOW.
ONE THING WE COULD DO IS ASK HIM IF HE NEEDS TO COME BACK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW TO GIVE A PRECISE TIMELINE OF WHEN HE FILED, WHEN COMMENTS CAME.
YEAH, I THINK HE SHOULD, I MEAN, IF HE WANTS AN EIGHTH EXTENSION, THAT'S GOTTA BE JUSTIFIED.
HE HAS TO, FIRST OF ALL, THE NEXT TIME HE HAS TO COME, COME AND TESTIFY.
SO MICHAEL OR LESLIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? PLEASE? WAIT, I'M SORRY.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? IT, IT JUST HAD TO DO WITH HIS FAULT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH'S FAULT.
I SHOULD, IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A RIGHT.
AND SO IN TERMS OF THE EXTENSION, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD GIVE HIM THE EXTENSION, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF PUTTING IT OUT.
BUT IF THE NEXT TIME IT IS TOTALLY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, CAN WE SAY TO HIM, WE CAN'T EXTEND YOU? NO.
THAT'S WHY I'M AGREEING WITH MICHAEL AND SAYING, OKAY, UNDERSTOOD.
SO, BUT I WOULD SAY WE SERIOUS CONSIDER NOT DOING IT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A GIVEN, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S NOT A GIVEN.
YOU OKAY? WALTER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH, UM, I, I, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO, BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HIS FAULT OR WHETHER OR NOT IS THE A GOVERNMENT AGENCY FAULT.
SO WE SHOULD TELL HIM THAT WE EXPECT HIM TO GIVE US A TIMELINE WHEN THINGS WERE SUBMITTED, WHEN THEY GET AN ABSOLUTE TIMELINE BEFORE WE, IN ORDER FOR US TO CONSIDER ANY FUTURE EXTENSION.
SO WE KNOW THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT WE WANT TO SEE AN ABSOLUTE TIMELINE TO MAKE IT, TO MAKE IT A CONSIDERATION.
ONE, ONE OF YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE A MOTION.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT EXTENSION.
JUST TO SUMMARIZE, GRANTED AN EXTENSION FOR 180 DAYS, UH, AND THAT, UH, IF INDEED HE NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION, HE NEEDS TO COME, COME TO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD PERSONALLY.
TO TESTIFY AND MUST HAVE A DETAILED TIMELINE HOW HE'S GOING TO RESOLVE THIS SUBMITTED IN WRITING IN ADVANCE.
OF, OF HOW IT, WHY HE NEEDS IT AND HOW IT RESOLVE IT.
I'LL REWRITE THAT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, IS THAT IF HE COME BACK FOR THE NINTH EXTENSION, HE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT EIGHTH THE DETAIL.
AND I'M SAYING IF HE COME BACK FOR THE EIGHTH EXTENSION.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS.
I WAS HOPING AMANDA WOULD BE HERE BY NOW.
UH, BUT I THINK WE CAN GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYWAY.
I, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE BETTER IF SHE'S HERE.
IF SHE'S NOT HERE, WE CAN DO IT.
I DON'T, WE WAIT UNTIL SHE COMES.
I DON'T DO SO ISN'T THAT FOR LEGAL ADVICE? YEAH, SHE HAS TO BE THERE.
LEMME JUST FIND OUT WHERE SHE IS.
I'LL JUST, LET'S GIVE HER ONE RESPOND LOGISTICS.
IF YOU GO INTO A EXECUTIVE SESSION, CAN I TAKE PART IN THAT? YES.
YOU HAVE YOUR CELL AVAILABLE? WE CAN CALL YOU.
WELL, GARRETT WAS GONNA BE ON TWO.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO TWO OF THEM.
CAN WE, CAN WE DO THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA? IT'S GONNA TAKE THIS, THAT'S AN, THAT'S A 45 MINUTE PROJECT.
AND THEY'RE SORT OF SOMEWHAT RELATED.
THE TWO THINGS ARE RELATED, BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST GET STARTED ON IT UNTIL AMANDA COMES AND YOU CAN ANSWER WHAT SHE SAID'S.
WELL, LET'S JUST SEE WHERE SHE IS.
WHERE IS SHE? SHE'S IN THE BUILDING.
TELL WE'RE WAITING FOR HER THEN.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE OPENINGS SO HARD.
SO THEN WE, WE'LL WAIT, WE'LL TAKE THE MOTION TO GO ON.
THIS GENTLEMAN HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
SINCE YOU'RE GOING INTO SECOND SESSION.
NO, WE'RE GONNA GO IN THE BATHROOM.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO GO IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, PLEASE?
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SO MOVED.CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND, GO AHEAD.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE SECOND? SMALL HOG.
OKAY, SOON AS AMANDA GOES IN, IN PROGRESS.
OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IT WAS JUST DISCUSSING A LEGAL ISSUE REGARDING SEEKER.
UM, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS A, ACTUALLY TWO PROJECTS.
IT'S THE PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE ONLY, UH, PB UH, PBK IS 24 0 1 AND 24 0 2.
AND UH, SIR, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? JB HERNANDEZ.
OH, NOT SURE THAT'S ON, IT WAS ON, IT WAS GREEN, RIGHT? I SEE IT.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, HAVE MR. HERNANDEZ MAKE IT PRESENT PRESENTATION AS TO THE PROJECTS.
UH, DO YOU, WOULD, DO YOU THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO PRE PRESENT BOTH PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME? SO WE KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE TWO PROJECTS, BUT THEY'RE RELATED, I GUESS.
SO WHY DON'T YOU START GOING THROUGH THE FIRST ONE? I CAN GO AHEAD.
I CAN PROBABLY DO PRESENT BOTH PROJECTS AND THEN RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK I'D PREFER DOING IT.
SO HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS UNLESS IT'S A CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WRITE DOWN AND WE'LL START DOING IT.
WOULD IT HELP, WOULD IT HELP IF STAFF SHARED THE PLANS OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? UM, WE WILL KNOW IN A SECOND.
I THINK I, I HAVE IT, BUT, UM, OKAY.
I, I HAVEN'T EATEN ANYTHING TODAY.
ARE SHE'S A JUNIOR PERSON ON THE BOARD NOW, SO I THINK IT'S HER JOB.
JAMIE HERNANDEZ, QPC IS, UH, WE'RE THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT.
THESE TWO PROJECTS ARE, UH, 5 78 TON ROAD, UH, AND 5 65 64 TON ROAD, WHICH IS ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WHICH WE'LL BE DISCUSSING LATER.
UM, 5 78 TON ROAD IS, UH, SCOOT UP A LITTLE.
I THINK MAYBE THIS, THESE MICS ARE, YEAH.
UM, IT'S, UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE INTERSECTION OF NORWOOD, THE CORNER ADJACENT TO THE GAS STATION WHERE, UH, IT USED TO BE, UH, ANIMAL HOSPITAL, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THIS IS THE AREA, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS IN THE IB, UM, SEWING DISTRICT.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE IDEA IS, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER, UH, AS WE ARE GONNA SHOW YOU LATER, THIS IS ALL AUTOMOBILE SERVICE INDUSTRY, UM, ORIENTED SERVICES THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THE, UH, ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET AND ADJACENT THIS ROAD.
UH, THE IDEA IS FOR THIS TO HAVE A CAR WASH AT THE LOWER LEVEL.
UH, YOU WILL DRIVE IN THROUGH COLORADO AVENUE AND, UM, WE HAVE THE Q AND AREA HERE.
AND THEN YOU WILL, UM, BE ENTERING THE, UH, WASHING AREA COMING OUT TO WHERE ALL THE, UH, PUMPS, UM, AND VACUUMS, I'M SORRY, THE VACUUMS ARE, AND THERE WILL BE ED THROUGH COLORADO AVENUE AS WELL.
UH, IT HAS A TURNING RADIUS, AND HERE, UH, WE WILL HAVE AN ENTRANCE TO THE ELEVATOR, WHICH WILL BRING US TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, AGAIN, WE CHOOSE TO GO OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
RENDER, UH, PLAN, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF LANDSCAPING.
THAT ALONG THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UH, IS A RESIDENCE RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE MOST OF THE CAR WASH WILL BE, UH, NESTED AGAINST THE HILL BECAUSE, UH, THE GAS STATION IS A SUBSTANTIAL HIGH DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION THAN, UH, OUR PROPERTY.
THEN IN THE, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS AGAIN SHOWING THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WILL BE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE CAR ELEVATOR.
UH, IT WILL BE A, A CAR LOUNGE, UH, BASICALLY FOR THESE DISPLAYS.
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UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE, UH, LET ME ZOOM ON A LITTLE BIT.AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE, UM, MODERN LOOK BUILDING AGAIN, UH, COMPLIMENTING WHAT IS THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AS YOU SEE HERE, THIS WILL BE THE NEXT PROJECTS.
SO WE SEE THE TWO PROJECTS, UH, TOGETHER.
CAN I ASK YOU, WHAT IS THE CAR ELEVATOR FOR? IT'S TO BRING THE CARS UP TO THE CAR LOUNGE.
WHAT'S A CAR LOUNGE? CAR LOUNGE IS GONNA BE, UH, THIS BASICALLY EXHIBITING CARS, IT'S SPORTS CARS, UH, LUXURY VEHICLES.
OH, IT'S LIKE A SHOWROOM? YES.
EXOTIC CARS IS WHAT THEY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I LOOKED PROMISE, IF YOU WANT, YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH? UM, SO DO YOU WANT HIM TO TRANSITION TO THE OTHER? YEAH.
WELL, LET, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? OKAY.
AND THEN WE CAN, SO THE, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ACROSS FROM, UH, COLORADO AVENUE IS, UH, FIVE 60 AND 5 64, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR, THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING.
AND AGAIN, SO WE'LL HAVE THE CAR WASH IN THIS CORNER, AND THEN WILL BE THE CAR DEALERSHIP OR CAR STORAGE AT THIS LEVEL THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS COLORADO AVENUE, ACROSS ACROSS COLORADO AVENUE.
SO THE PROPERTY HERE WILL BE, UH, BE FROM COLORADO AVENUE TO DAKOTA AVENUE.
UM, AND, AND THE PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE OF OF THAT BUILDING IS THIS BUILDING IS GONNA BE, UH, LEMME SEE.
WE HAD TWO, WE HAD EXPLORED TWO IDEAS.
ONE, WHICH IS WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT WILL HAVE A RAMP IN THE BACK TO BRING THE CARS UP TO THE SECOND LEVEL WITH A SHOWROOM AND, UH, LEFT AND, UH, MAINTENANCE AREAS.
AND THE SECOND, AND THAT WILL BE THE, WITH THE RAMP IN THE BACK, BRING THE CARS TO THE SECOND LEVEL AND TO THE ROOFTOP.
THIS WILL BE THE VIEW FROM THE FRONT ALONG TON ROAD.
AND THE SECOND IDEA WAS TO HAVE A STORAGE AGAIN.
UH, CARS STORAGE SEEMS TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS LOOKED FOR RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT THAT BUILDING WILL BE THE SAME FROM THE FRONT AND WILL NOT HAVE THE RAMP AND THE REAR EXPLAIN.
IT WILL BE USED A CAR ELEVATOR.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A CAR STORAGE BUSINESS TO ME? YOU SAID IT'S POPULAR.
I'VE JUST NEVER FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UH, PEOPLE SEEM TO MAINTAIN AND, AND CARE FOR THE LUXURY CARS, AND THEY PAY FOR RENTAL FOR STORAGE OR THE CARS.
SO THEY'D BE ON DISPLAY BASED ON YOUR DRAWING.
WELL, THERE YOU SEE THEM THROUGH THE WINDOW.
WELL, THIS, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF, UH, EXHIBITION AND THE STORAGE.
IT'S, IT'S A GARAGE FOR COLLECTOR.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE COOP LINE, I UNDERSTAND, UH, UH, CARD DEALERSHIP AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE VARIOUS OUT, VARIOUS THINGS YOU HAVE SET UP FOR CARD DEALERSHIP.
I'M A LITTLE, I I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT A CAR LOAN IS.
AND IF YOU DID, AND IF YOU PUTTING IN CARS FOR PEOPLE TO SEE, THAT'S REALLY AN EXTENSION OF A CAR DEALERSHIP.
SEE? SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION YOU'RE MAKING BETWEEN THE TWO.
WELL, IN THE CAR LOUNGE AND EXHIBIT EXHIBITION SHOW LIKE A SHOWROOM, UM, THEY'RE NOT USUALLY FOR SALE'S, JUST LIKE A SHOWROOM.
IT'S, I, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT, OKAY, SO JUST LIKE, IT IS A DISPLAY OF EXOTIC COSTS, IT'S NOT A, SO HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO YOUR BUSINESS MODEL OF SELLING CARS? UH, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW THE TWO ENTITIES, UH, INTO ACT INTO ME.
WELL, THEY DON'T RE WHEN I SAY RELATE, THAT IS, IS CAR USE.
AND THAT'S HOW I MEANT THE, THE RELATE TO EACH OTHER IS CAR USE ORIENTED NOW THAT, NOW THAT THE DEALERSHIP WAS GONNA HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE SHOWROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE LOUNGE.
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ARE, ARE, ARE, IS IS, OKAY.IS THE APPLICANT OKAY? I'M NOT FINISHED YET, BUT I, I'M STILL, THEN I'M STILL CONFUSED AS TO IF YOU'RE COMING IN TO WASH YOUR CAR, WHY DO YOU NEED THAT SECOND FLOOR? THE SECOND FLOOR IS LIKE, IT WILL BE SEPARATE USE.
UM, MUST YOU USE THE CAR WASH TO ACCESS THE LOUNGE? NO.
IS THE APPLICANT PLANNING TO SELL NEW CARS AT EITHER OF THESE LOCATIONS? UH, 5 65 64 IF IT IS A CAR DEALERSHIP, YES.
WELL, THAT'S NOT, THEY HAVEN'T MADE THE DECISION YET.
AND TAKE THE LOUNGE OVER THE CAR WASH.
DOES SOMEBODY HAVE TO PAY TO STORE THEIR CAR THERE? UH, NOT SURE HOW THE LOUNGE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE TO PAY TO GET IN.
I'M, IT, IT WILL BE A BUSINESS.
I MEAN, WHOEVER USES THE LOUNGE IS PAYING FOR IT.
LIKE RENTAL SPACE? YEAH, LIKE RENTAL SPACE.
AND WHY, LET'S SAY I HAVE A NICE OLD FANCY CAR.
WHY WOULD I TAKE IT FROM MY HOUSE, DRIVE IT UP TO TARRYTOWN ROAD AND PARK IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF YOUR BUILDING? WHY WOULD I DO THAT AND THEN PAY FOR IT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE EXPENSIVE CARS, RIGHT? PEOPLE TRAVEL.
NO, I MEAN THAT'S, I WILL, YOU KNOW, I CAN BRING YOU BACK A BUSINESS MODEL OF WHY, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE AN EXPENSIVE CAR THAT I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THE USE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CLIENT.
PEOPLE DO PAY A LOT FOR STORAGE OF EXTRA VEHICLES.
I HAVE FIVE CARS IN MY DRIVEWAY THAT ARE JUST MINE AND MY HUSBAND'S.
I, I I, I THE, THE LOUNGE, SORRY.
THE WAY I SEE THE LOUNGE PART TOO IS, YOU KNOW, IS FRIENDS GETTING TOGETHER, THEY'RE EXHIBITING THEIR CARS AND TALKING ABOUT HOW BEAUTIFUL THE CAR ARE.
UM, WELL, WHY, WHY DO YOU NEED A CALL? WAIT, WAIT, WALTER, ONE AT A TIME PLEASE.
THEN LESLIE, GO, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT FOR ME.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, AND THEN I'M GONNA BE DONE.
THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, BUT YOU'VE GOT A CAR LOUNGE OVER THE, UM, CAR WASH.
THEN YOU'VE GOT A CAR STORAGE OVER THE DEALERSHIP, WHICH SORT OF SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME THING TO ME.
SO, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
AND, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS APPLICATION TO PROCEED, AT LEAST FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST.
I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS PLAN.
EXPENSIVE CARS, PUT 'EM FIVE MILES AWAY, STORE 'EM ON THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE THEY'RE JUST CAN'T BE USED.
AND, AND I THINK THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S ANSWER THAT.
WELL, THAT'S THE, I BELIEVE THAT I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WHEN I LEAVE HERE THIS EVENING, THAT THERE'S THE PURPOSE OF UNDERSTANDING YOUR CONCERNS AND THE WAY I CAN, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO TO LESLIE, WHAT I SUGGEST WHEN YOU FILE A FORMAL APPLICATION, THE PERSON WHO'S GONNA RUN THIS BUSINESS COME TO US AND EXPLAIN IT.
I YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE ARCHITECT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
SO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, HA HAS THIS VISION FIRST WITH A VISION, COME HERE AND EXPLAIN IT TO THE BOARD, I THINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO, AND THIS RELATES MORE TO THE CAR WASH AND THE WAY CAN, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET THAT BACK UP? YEAH.
JUST KNOWING THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE.
DO YOU WANT THIS OF COLORADO AND THE RAMP? YES.
BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE RAMP.
MAYBE THE, UM, SO YOU HAVE, IS IT SHELL, IS IT SHELL IT'S, UM, MOBILE.
CAN I SHOW THE GOOGLE? I HAVE THE GOOGLE OPEN GOOGLE YOU HAVE NEXT ONE? YEAH, ACTUALLY THE, THE GOOGLE, THE GOOGLE WOULD BE GOOD.
IT'S JUST, IF YOU CAN JUST WALK ME THROUGH HOW THEY DRIVE IN AND DRIVE OUT, THEN PUT,
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PUT UP UP THAT ONE SCHEMATIC YOU HAD OF IT.OH, THAT'S, WELL THAT'S KIND OF, WELL THIS IS GOOD TO SEE INITIALLY.
THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO SUBMIT TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION DETAILS, BUT EVEN SAY IN ON COLORADO AND OUT ON COLORADO COMING UP THE RAMP, RIGHT.
SO YOU WILL COME IN-TOWN ROAD, YOU WILL COME IN THROUGH HERE AND THEN WHEN YOU LEAVING, YOU'RE COMING OUT FROM THIS SIDE AND GOING UP.
BASICALLY NEXT STREET DOESN'T GO THROUGH TO ANYTHING FROM WHAT I COULD TELL.
SO THEY'LL GO THROUGH, THEY'LL GO AROUND AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE THE RIGHT ROAD SHARP BACK ONTO TERRYTOWN.
THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BACK ONTO THE TERRYTOWN ROAD RAMP.
OTHERWISE THEY CAN PROCEED OR GO TO 2 87.
THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT PICTURE.
AND THEN REGARDING, BUT THIS IS NOT WHERE THE CARS ARE GONNA BE DISPLAYED.
THE CARS ARE GONNA BE DISPLAYED FOR THE DOWN THE BLOCK WHERE THE MARBLE PLACE USED TO BE.
RIGHT? WHERE THAT GUY'S NO, THERE WILL BE A SECOND LEVEL ABOUT IT WILL BE ABOUT THIS HEIGHT.
OH REALLY? HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER ONE WHERE THE DEALER, THE BUILDING WHERE THE DEALERSHIP IS.
JUST THE DEALERSHIP IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COLORADO.
IT COMPRISES THOSE TWO BUILDS AND THE EXOTIC CARS, BEAUTIFUL CARS FOR THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE WILL BE DISPLAYED RIGHT THERE.
AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, SO PART OF, PART OF ARCHITECTURAL, AND IF YOU EXHIBIT IT IN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THIS, UH, BUILDING, THE LOUNGE AREA, THAT WILL BE AT ALMOST EYE LEVEL WHEN YOU ARE ON NORWOOD AVENUE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE ON NORWOOD AVENUE, YOU WILL REALLY HAVE A NICE VIEW OF THIS, UH, EXHIBITION.
SO WHEN I'M DRIVING MY OLD CAR, I CAN LOOK IN THERE AND JUST SEE, OKAY, TOM, TOM, TOM WAS NEXT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WELL, BASED ON THAT, I WAS GONNA ASK, ARE YOU PLANNING TO EXCAVATE DOWN? CAN YOU HEAR ME? ARE YOU PLANNING TO EXCAVATE DOWN? THERE IS NO.
I MEAN, WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO EXCAVATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, UH, THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL HEIGHT DIFFERENCE.
THERE, THERE'S A DROP I THE GAS.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CAR WASH.
IS THIS A GENERAL PURS PUR A PURPOSE CAR WASH, LIKE ANY OTHER CAR WASH? OR IS IT A SPECIALIZED CAR WASH? MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON DETAILING WHATEVER.
AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF COLORADO, YOU HAVE TO BE GOING WESTBOUND ON THAT RAMP.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOUNGE UPSTAIRS PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT A LOT OF CAR WASHES AROUND TOWN, THEIR CARS ARE BACKED UP OUT INTO THE STREET IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WELL-PRICED AND GOOD.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND ON THE OTHER PROPERTY, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WERE TWO POSSIBLE USES FOR IT.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT BECAME CLEAR TO PEOPLE.
ONE WOULD BE A DEALERSHIP AND THAT WOULD HAVE A RAMP BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING SERVICE UP ON TOP AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS GOING UP AND DOWN.
THE OTHER WOULD JUST BE STORAGE.
WHERE YOU WOULD JUST HAVE AN ELEVATOR INSIDE.
SO THAT'S ALSO GONNA DETERMINE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
A DEALERSHIP'S GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT, I ASSUME, THAN A CAR STORAGE, UH, FACILITY.
I THINK YOU'RE, IS IT ACCURATE THAT WITH THE CAR STORAGE DESIGNED FOR THE LOT ACROSS FROM, FROM THE CAR WASH, AN ALTERNATE WOULD BE BOTH LEVELS? CAR STORAGE? NO.
OR THE LOWER LEVEL WOULD BE A DEALERSHIP AND THE CAR STORAGE IT'S ABOVE.
WELL, WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
WE STILL HAVE, IT COULD BE ANNOYING AROUND THAT.
IT MAY NOT BE BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, EXCEPT THAT IF YOU HAVE A DEALERSHIP AND YOU'RE USING THE TOP FOR STORAGE, WHERE DO THEY SERVICE THE CAR? SO THERE'S A LOWER, MY HAND IS RAISED.
WALTER, CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT AND SHOW ON THE DI YES, THERE IS, UH, OH, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S WHERE YOU PUT THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT IF YOU CONVERT THE SECOND FLOOR TO STORAGE, WHERE YOU GONNA, WHERE YOU GONNA SERVICE THE CARS IF IT'S A DEALERSHIP AND NOT A TOTAL, IF IT'S A DEALERSHIP, TOTAL STORE.
WE STILL HAVE A, IF WE DO A STORAGE ON THE, THE STORE.
WHEN YOU COME IN FROM DAKOTA, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET MY, YEAH.
FROM DAKOTA AVENUE, THERE IS A SHARP, IN THIS AREA THERE IS A SHARP DROP.
SO THERE IS WILL BE A SUB LEVEL WHERE YOU DO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, DID YOU DO SERVICE UNDERGROUND? YES.
IS THERE A FLOODING PROBLEM THERE? UH, NO.
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NO, THERE'S A STREAM, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO, NO, I DON'T.I THOUGHT THAT HOUSE USED TO GET FLOODED.
WALTER, ALL QUESTIONS THAT WE WANNA HEAR ABOUT.
UH, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD, THIS IS A GREAT CONSTANCE MEETING AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS LINING UP ALL THE QUESTIONS WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO, IF THEY FILE A FORMAL APPLICATION, HAVE TO COME UP WITH.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THAT.
AND IN THAT DAY, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE, UH, ARE REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC FLOW, THEN I THINK THAT JUSTIFIES THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, WALTER, I RES I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE FIRST THING THEY NEED TO DO IS DEFINE THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE RELATED TO WOOD BUSINESS.
SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO, IF THEY'RE GONNA FILE AN APPLICATION AND COME BEFORE THIS BOARD IS FIRST FILE AN APPLICATION SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE BUSINESS IS, THEN WE ENGAGE OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND SEE WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED IS A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION.
IF IT'S A DEALERSHIP VERSUS A STORAGE, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION.
I'M SAYING WE SUPPOSED TO, MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU RAISE CONCERNS, RIGHT.
UH, OF WHAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN THEY MAKE UP A FORMAL APPLICATION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M SUGGESTING THAT THEY LOOK AT IS THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT RIGHT NOW, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC'S A KEY, A KEY COMPONENT WHETHER THEY HAVE TO DO TRAFFIC STATE BEFORE OR AFTER.
BUT WE ARE HIGHLIGHTING THAT IS A CONCERN.
THE TRAFFIC ABSOLUTELY HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THAT IF YOU GO UP THAT RAMP, THERE ARE BUSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING UP THAT RAMP.
THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE TO, THERE IS A, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BUSINESS MODEL IS.
THAT'S ALL WE SHOULD, SHOULD DO.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WELL SAID WALTER.
A CONCERN OF THE BOARD RELATES TO THE POTENTIAL FOR TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC FLOW.
OBVIOUSLY THE MORE PRECISE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE USES ARE GONNA BE AND THE BUSINESS MODEL.
UM, ADDITIONALLY I WANT TO KNOW IF, LET'S START WITH THE CAR WASH.
IS THE OPERATOR OF THE CAR WASH GOING TO BE THE OPERATOR OF THE LOUNGE? IS IT GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE OPERATORS? SAME QUESTION FOR ACROSS THE WAY, IF IT'S A DEALERSHIP ON LEVEL ONE AND THEN LOUNGE LEVEL TWO AND YOU KNOW, SERVICE BELOW GRADE, ARE THERE DIFFERENT OPERATORS OR IS IT ALL THE SAME OPERATOR? AMANDA? SO TO GO OFF OF TOM'S POINT BEFORE ABOUT THE TYPE OF CAR WASH, UM, DEPENDING UPON IF IT'S AUTOMATED OR HAND WASH FOR EXAMPLE.
AND IF IT'S BY APPOINTMENT WOULD BE IMPORTANT DETAILS.
AND ALSO I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH THE AUTOMATED CAR WASHES, I BELIEVE THERE'S A HIGH REQUIREMENT TO REUSE AND RECYCLE THE WATER ON SITE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, YEAH, SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON WHERE THE SERVICE AREA WOULD BE AND YEAH, THE OPERATORS.
I THINK ALL OF US UNDERSTAND IT'S A VERY TOUGH SPOT FOR A BUSINESS.
I, YOU KNOW, FEEL FOR THE OWNER.
IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA WORK THERE.
WHATEVER GENERATES MORE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE HARDER FOR US TO APPROVE THAN SOMETHING GENERATES LESS.
BECAUSE ONCE THE STUDY'S DONE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE FACTS.
BUT I THINK MORE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE A BIGGER PROBLEM.
AND ALSO YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE TRAFFIC OR THE, THE QUEUE INTO THE CAR WASH DOES NOT BACK ONTO COLORADO AVENUE.
OH, YOU MEAN ONTO TARRYTOWN ROAD? NO, COLORADO AVENUE.
YOU, YOU'VE GOT HOUSES FURTHER IN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU, YOU KNOW? YEP.
IF THE PROJECT ADVANCES ON OPTIONS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE SO THAT THAT CAN BE FULLY ADDRESSED AT THE TIME YOU COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
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DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? WELL, I THINK THAT THE, LIKE JUST TO RECAP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE'LL TRY TO BRING THE BOARD, UM, BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE TYPE OF CAR WASH WASHES GOING TO BE, UH, DETAILING VERSUS GENERAL CAR WASH.UH, HOW THAT'S GOING IMPACT THE TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE LOOKED ALREADY INTO THE Q SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THERE'S GONNA BE 10, 12 CARS OR MORE BEFORE THERE'S ANY BACKUP.
UM, THE OTHER IS TO HAVE A BUSINESS MODEL OR TO SHOW HOW THE LOUNGE WORKS.
AND, UH, THAT SHOULD BE, UM, AN EASY PACKAGE TO PUT TOGETHER.
THERE'S PLENTY OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
THIS IS ONE THING THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, UNLESS YOU KNOW THE NATURE OF THE CAR WASH, HOW YOU WOULD EVER KNOW WHAT THE QUEUING IS GOING TO BE IN THE CAR WASH.
IF IT'S WHAT AMANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT AND YOU DO IT BY APPOINTMENT DETAILING, THE QUEUING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU DO A TRADITIONAL AUTOMATED CAR WASH.
THE TWO, TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT OPERATIONS.
BUT WHAT I SAID IS THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE, WE HAVE ENOUGH, WE HAVE CREATED ENOUGH DISTANCE FOR, UM, HAVE AT LEAST 10 CARS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING WHICH ONE IS GONNA BE HAVE HE'S, HE COULD DO, THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS, THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS.
UH, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN CONCLUDE HERE, UH, WORK WITH AARON AND STAFF.
UH, THEY KNOW WHEN THINGS ARE READY TO COME BACK TO US.
DO YOU HAVE ONE OTHER THING TO SAY? I DID, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON IN BOTH INSTANCES.
I JUST, AND BE FLESHED OUT IF THIS PROJECT, OR EITHER PROJECT OR BOTH MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN EITHER CASE.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE, THE BOARD WAS AWARE OF THAT.
THOSE WOULD BE DETAILED AT THE TIME OF A FORMAL SUBMISSION.
SO THE ZONING BOARD WOULD CLEARLY BE INVOLVED AGENCY.
IS THAT WITH BOTH PROPERTIES OR BOTH PROPERTIES? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING UP.
I WILL GIVE BARBARA A COUPLE MINUTES TO SET UP.
I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE THAT LONG.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE ACTUALLY FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
ONEAL WORK PERSON THAT HAS COME IN.
WE HAVE TWO IN ADDITION TO MURDER.
WHO BROUGHT THE CHOCOLATE? IS IT FOR SHARING? OR IF NOT, YOU CAN SAY NO.
NO, THAT'S, YOU COULD TOTALLY SAY NO YOU HAD NO LUNCH.
I'VE BEEN SUB SUBSIDING ON CHOCOLATE FOR LIKE, SINCE CHRISTMAS.
BUSY, BUSY, BUSY TODAY, HUH? IT'S BEEN SO BUSY SINCE THE NEW YEAR.
I CAN'T EVEN TO THE RESTROOM FOR TWO.
YOU NEVER HAD TO LIVE IN CINCINNATI, YOU KNOW.
OKAY, STOP THE RECORDING PLEASE.
WELCOME BACK, UH, TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE CHAIR'S IN SCHWARTZ? PRESENT MR. HAY? HERE.
MR. SIMON HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. DESAI IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
MS. SPARKS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER IN PLACE OF MR. DESA.
OKAY, WHAT WE'RE DO DOING TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS, WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS GET PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE THIS BOARD, UH, RENDERS THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD WHEN WE GET A PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
IT'S A LOCAL LAW TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS IN, UH, ON INCORPORATED GREENBURG.
AARON IS GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH A BRIEF DISCUSSION OF THE LAW SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
UH, THEN WE WILL, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE GOING BACK IN
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A WORK SESSION.SO UNLESS THERE'S SOME URGENT CLARIFICATION, I PREFER TO DO THAT IN WORK, WORK SESSION THAN IN PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
UH, PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO EITHER CALL VIA ZOOM, UH, OR UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
NOT TOO MANY PROBABLY 'CAUSE OF THE COLD WEATHER, BUT THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON IT.
UM, AFTERWARDS WE'RE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION ON THIS, WHICH IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT THE MECHANICS OF THE LAW, UM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BEHOOVE YOU EITHER ON ZOOM OR HERE TO STAY FOR THE WORK SESSION BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE DISSECTING THE LAW AND DECIDING CERTAIN ASPECTS THAT MAY HAVE TO BE MODIFIED OR NOT.
SO THAT WILL GIVE YOU AN EXCELLENT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE LAW IS.
OKAY, SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO AARON.
THIS IS ACTUALLY YOUR, YOUR MIC.
SO, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL NOTE ABOUT THE COMMENTS RECEIVED TODAY.
ARE WE GONNA DO SECRET BACK AND WORK SESSION? YEAH.
SO, UH, GOOD EVENING, THE PLANNING BOARD AND STAFF WELCOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT THIS EVENING TO COMMENT ON THE DRAFT ACCESSORY DWELL DWELLING UNIT LOCAL LAW.
BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2023, THE TOWN BOARD FOLLOWING TRANSMITTAL BY THE TOWN'S ACCESSIBLE VIABLE LIVING COMMITTEE, ADOPTED A RESOLUTION REFERRING THE DRAFT LOCAL LAW TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG FINDS IT DESIRABLE TO EXPLORE ALLOWING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF RENTAL HOUSING UNITS DESIGNED TO MEET HOUSING NEEDS THAT INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO SINGLE PERSONS, COUPLES, OTHER SMALL HOUSEHOLDS, RELATIVES OF EXISTING FAMILIES WITHIN THE TOWN, THE YOUNG, THE ELDERLY AND PERSON SEEKING MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS.
AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ALSO REFERRED TO AS AN A DU, IS A DWELLING UNIT IN A SEPARATE UNIT, INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE TO A PERMITTED PRINCIPAL ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND IS LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT.
THEREWITH ADU ARE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES FOR ONE OR MORE PERSONS, INCLUDING PERMANENT PROVISIONS FOR LIVING, SLEEPING, EATING, COOKING, AND SANITATION.
ADUS MAY BE LOCATED WITHIN THE PRINCIPLE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR IN A DETACHED STRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ON LOTS, WHICH CONTAIN A MINIMUM OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE R FIVE, R 7.5, R 10, R 15, R 20, R 30, AND R 40 ZONING DISTRICTS BY SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE TYPES OF UNITS WOULD NOT CHANGE THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF A PROPERTY AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
THE LOCAL LAW PROVIDES THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS SHALL CONTAIN A MINIMUM GROSS FLOOR AREA OF 400 SQUARE FEET.
THE MAXIMUM GROSS FLOOR AREA SHALL NOT EXCEED 800 SQUARE FEET OR 30% OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT.
WHICHEVER IS LESS ADUS SHALL BE LOCATED, DESIGNED INCLUDING OFF STREET PARKING LAYOUTS, CONSTRUCTED AND LANDSCAPED TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY COMPATIBLE, UH, TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT FEASIBLE WITH THE APPEARANCE OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
AN A DU LOCATED WITHIN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE MUST HAVE A DIRECT INGRESS AND EGRESS ACCESS TO THE OUTSIDE.
THE A DU MAY HAVE A SEPARATING DOOR OR DOORS BETWEEN IT AND THE PRIMARY PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE PROVIDED THAT THE DOOR IS INDEPENDENTLY LOCKABLE FROM BOTH SIDES.
PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES PROPOSED TO CONTAIN AN A DU SHALL NOT HAVE OR HAVE HAD ADDITIONAL FRONT ENTRIES TO THE RESIDENCE ADDED.
ALL A DU ENTRANCES SHALL BE ON THE SIDE OR IN THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE AND SHALL BE DESIGNED TO THE DEGREE REASONABLY FEASIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
PROPERTY OWNER SHALL NOT LEASE AN A DU FOR LESS THAN A ONE YEAR TERM.
AND IN THE EVENT OF A BREACH OF THE LEASE OR TERMINATION PRIOR TO ONE YEAR, SAID PROPERTY OWNER SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED TO ASSIGN THE REMAINDER OF THE LEASE TERM.
AT LEAST ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE SHALL BE PROVIDED PER ACCESSORY UNIT.
WHEN, WHEN AN EXPANSION TO AN OFF STREET PARKING AREA IS PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH AN A DU, INCREASED DRIVEWAY WIDTHS SHALL EXHIBIT CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH PREFERENCE GIVEN TO LIMITING DRIVEWAY EXPANSIONS WITHIN A FRONT YARD.
THE OWNER OR OWNERS OF THE LOT, WHICH THE A DU IS
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TO BE LOCATED, SHALL OCCUPY ONE OF THE DWELLING UNITS ON SAID LOT.THE PROOF OF WHICH SHALL BE CERTIFIED BY THE OWNER ANNUALLY TO THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR.
A DU SHALL ONLY BE PERMITTED WHERE THE SUBJECT LOT HAS CONNECTIONS TO PUBLIC WATER AND SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS. THE A DU SHALL NOT HAVE MORE THAN TWO BEDROOMS. THE A DU MUST INCLUDE A LIVING SPACE AND MUST COMPLY WITH THE LIGHT VENTILATION AND OCCUPANCY LIMITATION REQUIREMENTS IN THE NEW YORK STATE CODE AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THE STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM, A DU SHALL HAVE NO MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS AND A TWO BEDROOM.
A DU SHALL HAVE NO MORE THAN FOUR OCCUPANTS, THE PROOF OF WHICH SHALL BE CERTIFIED BY THE OWNER ANNUALLY TO THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE TOWN BOARD SHALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTITUTE A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF A DU PERMITS ISSUED ANNUALLY PER ZONING DISTRICT OR AS A TOTAL IN THE TOWN THROUGH RESOLUTION WHERE LANDSCAPING STREET BLOCK CONFIGURATION AVAILABILITY OF OFF STREET PARKING OR OTHER SITE CONDITIONS SUCH AS STREET WIDTH ARE ANTICIPATED TO PRODUCE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT IN THE AREA PROPOSED.
THE PLANNING BOARD SHALL HAVE DISCRETION TO DENY AN APPLICATION WHERE MULTIPLE ADUS COULD DE DETRIMENTALLY IMPACT THE AREA.
IF CONSTRUCTION ON THE ADUS DOES NOT COMMENCE WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE DATE OF SPECIAL PERMIT APPROVAL OR AN EXTENSION HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, THE SPECIAL PERMIT SHALL LAPSE AND A NEW PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED.
THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSSED THIS DRAFT LOCAL LAW AT ITS JANUARY 3RD, 2024 WORK SESSION AND DETERMINED THAT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AS PART OF THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION WOULD ASSIST THE PLANNING BOARD IN ISSUING ITS REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BEFORE WE OPEN FOR COMMENT, MR. SNAGS ONE OF OUR PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WHO SERVES ON THE ACCESSIBLE VIABLE LIVING COMMITTEE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS REGARDING THE EFFORT PUT FORTH BY THE A VL IN DRAFTING THE LOCAL LAW.
UM, I JUST WANT TO DEFINE THE A VL, WHICH IS THE JOHAN.
JUST MOVE THE MIC A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOU.
THE ACCESSIBLE VIABLE LIVING COMMITTEE.
UM, SO NAMED SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO PRIORITIZE, UH, HOUSING WITHIN WESTCHESTER.
WE DID SOME MATH AND ALSO SOME COMMON SENSE, UH, THINKING AND CAME TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT GIVEN THE HOUSING DEFICIENCY WITHIN WESTCHESTER IN AND OF ITSELF, IF WE WERE TO CARVE OUT GREENBERG'S SHARE, UM, WE WOULD END UP WITH ABOUT 700 UNITS, ABOUT 700 UNITS THAT WE WERE LACKING.
SO OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO CREATE, UM, RESOURCES TO REDUCE THAT DEFICIENCY AND ALSO TO MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE, AS VIABLE AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO ALLOW FOLKS TO LIVE IN, IN, UM, UH, DECENT CONDITIONS, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD RAISE FAMILIES AND, AND THE LIKE.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT AND THAT THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO IS TO CREATE, UM, THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT WITHIN GREENBERG.
SO I'LL, I'LL TAKE SOME TIME TO READ THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS TO CREATE THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND SUPPORTING LEGISLATION THAT EXPANDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE OF ALL INCOME LEVELS TO RESIDE IN COMFORTABLE LIVING SPACES WITHOUT OVERBURDENING THEIR FINANCIAL RESOURCES.
AND IN A SENSE, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS WHILE REDEFINING WHAT AFFORDABILITY MEANS OR ACTUALLY REALLY EXPLAINING IN, IN BETTER DETAIL WHAT IT MEANS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS TO MAKE, UM, TO MAKE, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE AVERAGE FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO LIVE AGAIN IN, UM, DECENT CONDITIONS AND BE ABLE TO CREATE WEALTH FOR THEMSELVES, UH, LONG-TERM.
I JUST WANT TO THANK, THANK YOU JOHAN FOR THAT.
I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING TO THAT.
THE A VL HAD WORKED ON THIS FOR OVER SIX MONTHS.
UH, WE HAD EXPERTS, UH, COME IN AND DISCUSS THE A VL HAD EXPERTS COME IN.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF, JUST SO YOU KNOW, OF THE A VL AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD AS THERE ARE TWO OTHER PEOPLE HERE, HERE ON, ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, IT BROUGHT IN EXPERTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AN A DU WAS.
UH, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THINGS IN TERMS OF CONCENTRATION.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF MANY PROJECTS THE A BL IS WORKING ON TO ADDRESS
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THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN, UH, IN IMMEDIATELY IN WESTCHESTER, HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY BEYOND THAT, BUT STARTING HERE IN GREENBERG AND BEYOND.UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, EVERYBODY THINKS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AS FEDERALLY SUBSIDIZED PROJECTS.
THAT IS A PART, AN IMPORTANT PART OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT ABOUT 40% OF THE POPULATION OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED HOUSE POOR.
AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE LIVING LIKE IN A, IN A HOUSE, NICE HOUSE IN FAIRVIEW, BUT REALLY EVERY MONTH HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RI AND STAY AND SAVE TO MAKE THEIR THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENT.
THIS IS A WAY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY ARE HOMEOWNERS OF BEING ABLE TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE AS WELL AS ANYTHING ELSE.
OUR GOAL AVI L THOUGH, IS ALSO TO MAKE THIS SEAMLESS.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SEPARATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO, THAT'S WHERE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYBODY LIVE TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT GREENBERG HAS BEEN ABOUT SINCE I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE.
WE ARE THAT KIND OF A, A COMMUNITY AND WE NEED TO SHOW THAT IN OUR HOUSING POLICIES AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS LAW? YES.
STATE, STATE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UM, MY NAME IS EMMA WARAL MOON.
SO SINCE THERE AREN'T MANY PEOPLE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, I WILL TAKE THE LIBERTY AND ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
ONE, UM, I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON HOW TO CROSS-REFERENCE THE, UM, THE AREAS, THE RD R 10, R FIVE.
HOW DO I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHICALLY? HOW DO I KNOW? LIKE IS IT HARD STILL? IS IT, IS IT FAIRVIEW? OKAY.
I'LL ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT THEN WE MAY HAVE YOU JUST RUN THROUGH ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, UHHUH AND THEN ANSWER.
WE DO HAVE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ZONING MAP THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE THAT WILL IDENTIFY ALL LOCATIONS WITHIN THOSE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS.
BUT THE, THE, IT'S ZONED, BUT THOSE ZONES OCCUR ALL OVER TOWN.
THERE ARE R FIVES IN EVEN, YOU KNOW, WEALTHY EDGEMONT THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE A LOT OF R FIVES AND R SEVEN FIVE.
SO YOU'LL FIND THEM THROUGH ALL THESE ZONES THROUGHOUT THERE.
THERE WERE R TWENTIES AND OUR FORTIES.
THEY'LL PROBABLY IN THE FAIR FAIRVIEW.
IF I EXAMPLE, IF I KNOW FROM LAYMAN'S TERMS, THE FIVE IS 5,000.
7.5, 7,500 SQUARE MINIMUM LOT.
BUT THAT'S THE MINIMUM WATCH SIZE.
YOU COULD BE IN AN R FIVE AND HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THERE AREN'T TOO MANY OF THOSE LEFT, BUT YOU COULD DO IT.
I THOUGHT THOSE WERE AREAS, I'M SORRY, I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD.
NO, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
IT'S JUST THE MINIMUM, JUST MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIRED TO BUILD IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE.
AND THE ZONES ARE AGAIN, KIND OF A MOSAIC ALL OVER THE TOWN.
SO CONTINUE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS PLEASE.
AND I SHOULD SAY PLEASE BEG MY PARDON, I DON'T HAVE MY READING GLASSES.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. KEEP GOING.
UM, SO ALSO, UH, IS THERE ANY GRANT MONEY TO, UM, TO HAVE, UH, THESE, UM, ADUS UH, BUILT? OKAY, THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
UH, AND I THOUGHT THAT, I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A CAP THAT YOU GUYS WERE GONNA PUT ON.
SO I WANT TO KNOW, UH, THE GRANT MONEY, HOW IS IT BEING, UH, UH, DISSEMINATED? IS IT GOING THROUGH A NON-FOR-PROFIT LIKE IT WAS WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT? IF SO, WHO IS THE NON-FOR-PROFIT FOR GREENBERG? WHAT IS THE CAP THAT YOU ALL ARE CAPING AT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT YOU ALL WILL BE ALLOWING TO HAVE? THE ADUS FOR? UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG.
AND YOU SAID IT'S A 12 MONTH, A 12 MONTH PROCESS.
SO LET ME BACKTRACK ON THAT ONE.
THAT WASN'T SUCH A A, A PERTINENT QUESTION FOR ME.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, THIS IS A REAL CONCERN OF MINE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS A DU IS GOING TO DIFFER FROM THE AVERAGE PERSON JUST RENTING OUT A ROOM BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A LACK OF OVERSIGHT SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, IN THE UNINCORPORATED TOWN OF GREENBURG.
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AND I FEAR, ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE THAT, THAT THAT HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHTS, I TOTALLY GET THAT AND I DO LIKE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE IT SEAMLESS.I'M JUST A BIT NERVOUS AS A PERSON THAT HAS PUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME, ENERGY, AND MONEY INTO MY HOME THAT IN MY COMMUNITY IT DOESN'T JUST BECOME OVERRUN AND BECOME A ROOMING HOUSE COMMUNITY UNDER THE GUISE OF ADUS.
SO THOSE ARE SORT OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M GONNA SPLIT UP THE ANSWERS TO THAT.
JOHAN, COULD YOU ANSWER THE GRANT? WANT ME TO? NO, YOU CAN STAY THERE JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP.
JOHANN, DO YOU WANT ANSWER? SO YOU'RE TIRED.
THERE, THERE IS GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR A BUILDING OF ADUS AND THE STATE CRE A GRANT SO THAT, UH, ORGANIZATION LIKE A NOT-FOR-PROFIT COULD ADMINISTRATE THE MONIES AND WALK THROUGH FROM SOUP TO NUTS FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH DEVELOPMENT WHAT DADU WILL ULTIMATELY LOOK LIKE.
AND THERE WAS SOME PARAMETERS PUT IN PLACE, SOME QUALIFIERS THAT WERE PUT INTO PLACE.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MORATORIUM WHILE THEY REVIEW THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE GRANT IMPLEMENTATION.
I THINK IT HAPPENED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ENHANCE IT MOVING FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW, UH, REGULAR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ADUS ON THEIR LOTS.
I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE THE NEXT TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 700 DWELLINGS.
THIS IS JUST ONE PROGRAM OF MANY PROGRAMS THAT THE AAV L IS BEGINNING TO WORK ON.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE WE'RE HOPEFULLY GONNA BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE SHORTLY.
UH, THAT WOULD EXPAND SIGNIFICANTLY OUR NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE DWELLINGS IN, IN GREENBURG.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.
THE A VL HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE IN TERMS OF THE CAP, THE CA THE REASON FOR THE CAP, IT'S ONLY THE CAP CAP'S ONLY IN ADUS.
THE REASON IS IT'S VIRGIN TERRITORY FOR US.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE.
UH, IT'S ALSO, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD HAVING TO DEAL WITH THESE, AND WE FIGURED OUR CAPACITY AS A BOARD IS NO MORE THAN 25 OF THESE BECAUSE IT TAKES, IT'LL TAKE ABOUT THREE, THREE SESSIONS TO APPROVE, TO MAKE A DECISION ON AN A DU BECAUSE YOU HAVE PRELIMINARY SESSION, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
THAT'S, THAT'S THREE, THREE DIFFERENT SESSIONS.
SO 25 OF THOSE VIRTUALLY WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING UP AT LEAST ONE A DU AT EVERY SESSION.
SO THAT'S WHAT, 25 PER YEAR? 25 PER YEAR? YES.
BUT, BUT DEPENDING ON THE DEMAND.
MY GUESS IS LIKE ANY A NEW LAW, WHEN YOU'RE GOING INTO VIRGIN TERRITORY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LAW TOO.
AND THE TOWN WILL REVIEW THE TOWN BOARD WITH THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS WILL BE REVIEWING THE, THE, THE, THE LAWS AS WE GO ALONG IF WE SEE, UH, GLITCHES IN THE LAW.
WELL, AND IN ADDITION, IN A LOT OF SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT YOU LOOKED AT THAT HAVE LESS RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THEIR SIZE.
SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A FLOOD, BUT JUST IN CASE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A
UM, THE LAST TWO YEARS SHE HAS PUT IN HER BUDGET HER DESIRE TO BASICALLY IGNORE COMPLETELY THE ZONING, UH, CODE OF A TOWN AND LEGISLATE BOTH ADUS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AND TRANSIT SO THAT SHE WOULD ACTUALLY OVERSEE, OVERRIDE OUR LOCAL ZONING LAWS IF, AND SHE DID THAT, I THINK TO MOTIVATE TOWNS TO ACTUALLY BECOME PROACTIVE, WHICH WE HAVE.
THAT'S WHY THE A VO WAS, WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED.
AND, UM, THE TOM IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE, THE LAW AS IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE, AS WAS PROPOSED BY THE ABL L IT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, BEEN ACTUALLY ALREADY ENACTED IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CHART AND MAYBE HAVE AN EXTRA COPY, YOU CAN SEE IT TONIGHT.
UM, THEN, THEN OUR, THESE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, WE REQUIRE OFF STREET PARKING IN THIS LAW.
IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT UNIQUE THINGS GOING ON IN GREENBURG, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IN WORK SESSION.
LIKE WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE NARROW STREETS.
WE HAVE DID LOTS OF NARROW DEAD END STREETS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT, AND WE ALSO HAVE RESTRICTIONS OF PARKING IN FROM DECEMBER 1ST TO MARCH 15TH BECAUSE OF THOSE NARROW STREETS.
WELL, THAT'S AN ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE COMING TO TALK ABOUT THE A-A-A-D-U.
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UH, RENT.LESLIE, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY? BORDERS VERSUS BORDER? THE THING ABOUT BORDERS AND WHAT ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS.
PLEASE TALK ABOUT THAT FOR US.
SO IN LOOKING, IN DOING MY HOMEWORK, LOOKING THROUGH THE TOWN CODE ALREADY THERE IS ALREADY A LAW IN THE BOOKS FOR BORDERS, WHICH I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS LEGAL.
IF YOU DO HAVE TO GET PERMITS, AND IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU DO HAVE TO GET PERMITS.
BUT THE AMOUNT OF BORDERS THAT THEY ALLOW IN SOMEONE'S HOME, UM, I BELIEVE WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PERMITS HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT I THINK JUST THROUGH BEING OBSERVANT, YOU REALIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE BORDERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID NOT MENTION, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE PURPOSE OF THE A DU, UM, AND IT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE, WAS SENIOR CITIZENS BEING ABLE TO STAY IN PLACE, OR SENIOR CITIZENS BEING ABLE TO STAY WITH THE NEXT GENERATION OF THEIR FAMILY AND DEVELOPING A PLACE, A CO, A PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT SUBSCRIBES TO CODE IN THEIR HOME SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE GENERATIONS, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S LEGAL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY PARTICULAR LAW WOULD STOP PEOPLE FROM RENTING A ROOM AND THE TOWN DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
BUT THIS IS A WAY TO, UM, FORMALIZE IT FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WANNA DO IT THE CORRECT WAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? BUT IF, I'M SORRY IF I MAY.
WAS YOUR QUESTION HAVING TO DO WITH ENFORCEMENT? UM, YES.
SO SOMEWHAT SO, UH, IF IN THE EVENT RIGHT, WE DO SEE THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE DOING IT THE CORRECT WAY, THEY HAVE THE PERMITS AND UM, THEY HAVE FOLLOWED ALL THE PROCEDURES.
AND THEN WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A PLETHORA OF PEOPLE THAT WE FEEL AB BORDERS, RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO'S A BORDER, WHO'S NOT, RIGHT? BUT WE FEEL LIKE AS A COMMUNITY, AS A CIVIC ASSOCIATION, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING EGREGIOUS GOING ON RIGHT ABOVE AND BEYOND LIKE, WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT.
WE'VE HAD 25 APPLICATIONS, AND YET WE MIGHT SEE 25, UM, PLACES THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BORDERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT WOULD BE A BIT OFFPUTTING.
AND SO, UM, HOW IS THE OVERSIGHT, DO YOU CALL, DO YOU CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT? DO YOU CALL BUILDINGS LIKE BUILDING? HOW DO YOU KEEP ABREAST OF THAT? SO, SO WE ARE NOT JUST BEING AS A COMMUNITY, I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY FOR MY COMMUNITY AND PARKWAY GARDENS.
UM, HOW WOULD WE BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF, UH, REACTIVE? WE DON'T WANNA JUST LIKE, OH MY, THIS IS HERE BECAUSE WE, THIS IS PARKWAY GARDENS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT.
WE WANT TO KEEP, WE WANT TO HAVE HOUSING.
WE WANT IT TO BE SEAMLESS, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT IT TO BE OVERRUN BY ILLEGAL BORDERING SITUATIONS.
SO APPLICATIONS WOULD FUNNEL THROUGH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE CIVIC LEADERS OR ANY RESIDENT WOULD BE PERMITTED AND ENCOURAGED TO REACH OUT TO THEIR OFFICE WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR TO FIND OUT IF AN APPLICATION'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, YOU WOULD CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP THROUGH THEIR OFFICE AND THAT THEY WOULD BE THE ENFORCEMENT ARM, LIKE I SAID.
SO IF IN THE EVENT WE SAID, OKAY, SO THIS WAS, AND WE SEE THE ADDRESS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT, THEN THE BUILDING, THE CO SAID, BUILDING ENFORCEMENT, BUILDING INSPECTOR'S, OFFICE INSPECTOR, BUILDING INSPECTOR WITH, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE, WE THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING RES GOING ON, AND WE'LL SEND THE INSPECTOR OR OUTSIDE THE A DU AND THEY WOULD SEND THEM OVER.
SO IS THAT HAPPENING NOW? LIKE, I CAN JUST CALL 'CAUSE I GOT A COUPLE IF YOU COULD
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN CASES, I'VE SEEN A CASE WHERE A HOUSE HAS HAD MULTIPLE KITCHENS AND HAD MULTIPLE FAMILIES WHERE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR CAME DOWN TO MAKE SURE TO SHUT IT DOWN.
UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS LESLIE BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, I WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
ONE OF THE REASONS TO PASS THIS IS BECAUSE AT LEAST IF THEY DO IT CORRECTLY, THEY'LL BE WITHIN FIRE LAWS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BRONX WITH ME, WITH ONE OF THESE ADUS, UH, RECENTLY, I GUESS ABOUT NINE MONTHS AGO NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T, THEY WERE LIVING, THEY HAD ALL THE THINGS, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE EXITS.
AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE DIED IN A FIRE IN THE BRONX AS A RESULT.
WHICH IS WHY AT LEAST, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, PUTTING A LAW IN PLACE AS TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AS AN A DU HELPS ENFORCEMENT ACTUALLY.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LAW TO GO BACK UPON THAT.
AND ANOTHER REASON, NOT THE ONLY REASON TO DO IT, BUT A GOOD REASON TO DO IT.
BECAUSE IT, IT DOES AWARENESS.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, I ADD OUT OF THE VERY CONCERN THAT YOU RAISED IS WHY WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THERE THAT THE OWNER HAS TO BE ONE OF THE TWO, UH, UH, OCCUPY ONE OF THE TWO RED.
WHETHER YOU OCCUPY THE A DU OR YOU OCCUPY THE HOUSE, THE OWNER HAVE TO LIVE ON PREMISES SO THAT IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL
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INCENTIVE TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY.AND YOU AND THE PERSON WHO OCCUPIES THE A DU HAS TO BE DONE UNDER A LEASE.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, UH, OF, UH, UH, A BOARDING HOUSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LEASE, UH, LIKE YOU WOULD LEASE ANY APARTMENT TO LIVE THERE.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT INTO THE LAW TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC VALID CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.
NO, NOBODY'S FINE FOR THIS TIME.
THERE A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON ZOOM, BUT NO PRESSURE.
THEY SHOULD HAVE CAME, THEY SHOULD HAVE BREAK THE COLD AS I DID.
ONE, TERMS OF DEVELOPERS, RIGHT.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A LITTLE EXTRA GRANT MONEY TO FACILITATE MY PROGRAM.
IS THERE A TIMEFRAME WHERE THIS, UM, THIS PROPERTY, IF YOU'VE RECEIVED THE GRANT TO DO THIS DWELLING THAT YOU HAVE TO, UH, LIVE THERE? YES.
YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE, PERIOD.
SO CAN YOU, SO, SO I COULD THEORETICALLY SEE A PROPERTY I LIKE, UH, SEE A, A SPACE THAT I WANT TO DO.
I WANT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY ALSO GET SOME MONEY FOR AN A DU, DEVELOP IT AGAIN, GET IT LIVE.
THERE IS THEIR TIMEFRAME FOREVER.
LET, LET ME, SO I CAN SELL WITHIN, I CAN SELL WITHIN SIX MONTHS IF I GET NO, NO, NO.
SO WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? YOU ALWAYS HAVE? YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE AN OWNER AND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LIVING THERE.
OR AFTER THAT, THE A DU BECOMES KNOWN VOID.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TO RECERTIFY EVERY YEAR.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THERE ARE PROGRAMS, UH, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROGRAMS WHERE THEY ALLOW YOU TO PURCHASE AND YOU GET TO STAY THERE AND THEY SAY STAY THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, NOT THIS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU CAN DO, THAT'S NOT THIS TYPE, THIS IS, I'M SORRY, SPECIFICALLY TO WORK WITH THE BUILDING STOCK THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
NOT INCREASE DENSITY, BUT WORK WITH THE BUILDING STOCK THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND CREATE, UM, APARTMENTS, BASICALLY STUDIO APARTMENTS, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.
OR TERMINATION, AS THEY SAID WITHIN THE HOUSE OR AN OUTSIDE.
IF YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF SPACE OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME.
UM, SO THAT THIS PARTICULAR LAW IS REQUIRING YOU TO LIVE THERE AS LONG AS THE A DU IS IN EFFECT.
AND IF YOU SELL THE PROPERTY, THE NEW OWNER COULD DECIDE THEY WANT TO, UM, KEEP THE A DU OR NOT.
IF THEY DO, I MEAN, THERE'S A A PERIOD OF TIME THAT IF YOU'VE SIGNED A LEASE AND THE HOUSE IS SOLD, YOU CAN STAY, YOU KNOW, AND BLAH BLAH.
BUT WHOEVER'S OWNING THE HOUSE HAS TO BE LIVING HERE, HAS TO BE ON THE PROPERTY.
LET'S SAY, LET'S, LET'S SAY I APPLIED FOR THIS, RIGHT? AND I RECEIVED IT, AND I WAS THERE FOR A YEAR.
I COULD THEN SELL THIS PROPERTY WITH THIS A DU WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE GUYS THAT THE NEW OWNER MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE CERTIFICATION, BUT THERE IS NO TIMEFRAME FOR WHICH I, THE OWNER HAS TO STAY IN THE HOUSE ONCE THEY RECEIVE THIS GRANT MONEY.
LET, LET ME OFFER CLARIFICATION ON THE GRANT MONEY.
THE GRANT MONEY IS MANAGED BY THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT OR THE OTHER ENTITY.
IT'S NOT HANDED OVER TO THE OWNER.
SO THEY FACILITATE THE BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
SO IT'S NOT A MONEY GRAB FOR ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST POTENTIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
AND ALSO, THIS IS NOT ADDRESSING THAT THOUGH.
LET, LET, SORRY, LET, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
LET, LET ME, LET ME TRY LESLIE FOR A SECOND.
SIMPLY, SIMPLY STATED, THE PERSON HAS A LEASE ON THE A DU IF THERE'S A TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP, GETS A RIGHT TO, TO STAY THERE THROUGHOUT THE, TO THE END OF THEIR LEASE.
THE, THE LEASE WILL, WHICH IS ONLY A YEAR, BY THE WAY.
IF, IF THE NEW OWNER DECIDES THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIVE THERE, OR THE NEW OWNER DECIDES THEY DON'T WANT AN A D RE-CERTIFY, THE A DU, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS TO CERTIFY IN WRITING THAT THEY WILL BE AN OCCUPANT
UM, SO
UM, SO, UH, HEARSAY, RIGHT? GARAGES, ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT LIKE TURNING GARAGES ATTACHED GARAGES INTO ADUS? IT COULD BE.
IT COULD EVEN BE AN UNATTACHED GARAGE.
I, I WAS JUST FOR, THOSE ARE JUST ALL THE QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE.
AND I TOLD MY CIVIC ASSOCIATION I WOULD DO MY DUE DILIGENCE.
I WISH, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
I WISH THE REST OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS HAD HAD DONE WHAT YOU DID TONIGHT.
I JUST, IF I MAY JUST SEPARATE THE TWO.
THE GRANT, THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE WE'RE DEALING WITH, UH, PASSING THE LAW.
THE GRANT IS A SEPARATE, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, THERE IS NOT A NON-PROFIT YET ASSIGNED TO DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY.
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OKAY.WAIT, WE, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY, LIKE IT ALREADY EXISTS AND HANDED OR, OR BEING STAGED AND WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO, TO GRAB.
RIGHT? THERE'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS THAT ANY ORGANIZATION HAS TO GO TO TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE PROVING THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE MONEY.
AND I BELIEVE YOHAN, YOU NEED A 5 0 1 C3 INVOLVED IN THE GRANT.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AS WELL, RIGHT? I MEAN THIS IS ALL, THIS IS A LONG PROCESS.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST IN THE INITIAL STAGES.
I THOUGHT YOU GUYS THAT THEY PASSED IT.
I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS LIKE, KIND OF QUESTIONS TO ASK.
SO WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION, WELL, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCEDURE.
WE'RE HAVING THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
I REALLY WISH MORE PEOPLE WERE EITHER ON ZOOM OR ARE LIKE YOU AND COME OUT TONIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE THEN DECIDE OURSELVES WHAT RECOMMENDATION WE WANT TO SEND BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE ULTIMATE DECISION FOR PASSING THE LAW IS WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
WE JUST, WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COMING OUT.
MR. BOWDEN, MY NAME IS MURRAY BOWDEN.
FIRST, THERE'S AN EFFORT TO COME BACK TO THE OFFICE AND ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE.
I LEARNED MORE TONIGHT BY BEING HERE AND WATCHING ALL OF YOU THAN I WOULD EVER HAVE LEARNED ON THE OTHER.
WHAT DOES THAT GIVE ME? IT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE IN WHAT THIS BOARD IS GOING TO DO.
I'VE BEEN HERE MANY, MANY TIMES AND I ALWAYS COME TO THE MEETINGS IF I CAN BECAUSE I LEARN BY WATCHING YOU.
WHAT I'VE LEARNED TONIGHT IS I HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE THAT THIS BOARD WILL HANDLE THIS SITUATION THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.
YOU'VE ADDRESSED ISSUES THAT I KNOW EXIST IN OTHER PLACES, UM, TO RENT A HOME.
AND I RENTED OUT, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THAT WORDING HILL.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS I CAN'T REMEMBER A LOT OF STUFF.
NO, YOU DO PRETTY WELL FOR YOURSELF.
I WATCHED YOU ALL, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S MY JOB TO IDENTIFY EXPERTS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEN SUPPORT THEM.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BOARD MANY, MANY TIMES.
WHAT I'VE SEEN TONIGHT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROPOSITION GOING FORWARD.
YOU'VE COVERED ALL OF THE AREAS THAT I WOULD'VE HAD PROBLEMATIC.
I HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE IN A WAY YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF, UH, PROPOSAL.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND HER INTENDED HAVE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THE POCONOS RECENTLY.
AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, WHERE THEY HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE WHERE THEY'RE LIVING IN IT.
AND SO I KNOW THAT IT DOES WORK.
AND I KNOW THAT FROM READING THE NEWSPAPERS, NOT JUST IN THIS WORLD, BUT IN AUSTRALIA AND UNITED KINGDOM, THE ISSUE OF HOUSING FOR SINGLE YOUNG PEOPLE HAS BECOME MORE PEOPLE ARE LIVING HOME NOW, DOUBLE THE AMOUNT PERCENTAGE WISE THAN 10 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND SPACES.
WE HAVE A GRANDSON WHO CAN'T FIND A SPACE IN MANHATTAN 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO LIVE THERE.
SO I WANT, I, I AM THRILLED TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'VE COVERED ALL OF THE BASES THAT I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE THOUGHT AND THEN SOME.
AND I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE AS THOROUGH A BOARD AS THIS BOARD IS.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
YOU'VE COVERED ALL THE BASES, THEN SOME THAT I WOULD'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, BASED ON YOUR KIND COMMENTS, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME TO MORE MEETINGS.
IF I MAY ANSWER A PERSONAL COMMENT SOMETIME AGO, I HAD A BACTERIAL INFECTION AND MY NEUROLOGIST TREATED ME WITH A DRUG.
AND WHAT IT DID WAS CHANGE MY PERSONALITY.
THERE MUST'VE BEEN SOMETHING IN MY BRAIN.
'CAUSE IF YOU WATCH 60 MINUTES ON SUNDAY NIGHT, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING BRAIN SURGERY.
AND I HAD MERCURY POISONING WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER AND IT WAS TAKEN OUT.
THE WORLD IS CHANGING WITH THINGS THAT WERE NOT CONCEIVABLE YEARS AGO.
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ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WORLD.AND, UH, YOU'VE ADDRESSED MANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I'M A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN I WAS A YEAR AGO.
I IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE AND I DEFER TO THE EXPERTS.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN EVERYTHING.
I'M PRETTY GOOD AT IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AS NOW.
THEY ALL LEFT BECAUSE OF THAT LONG QUESTION, QUESTION PERIOD BY EMMA.
BUT, UH, SERIOUSLY, I, I REALLY HOPE YOU'RE A MODEL FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO LEAD THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN WONDERFUL TO HEAR FROM THEM ALL.
SO I REALLY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE CASE FOR US.
GIVEN THAT I, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
OH, I WANNA RECOGNIZE THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE SOME, WE DID GET SOME WRITE-IN COMMENTS THAT, UH, UH, AARON WILL KIND OF RECOGNIZE NOW.
AND CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM? THERE IS NO ONE ON ZOOM.
THAT WHICH WAS HIS VERY OKAY, GREAT.
BUT WE'LL, WE CAN STATE THAT ON THE RECORD.
UM, JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED AND THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING, UH, ONE OF OUR FIRE DISTRICT CHIEFS.
THE, UH, GREENBERG PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSIONER, WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, AS WELL AS THREE RESIDENTS.
UM, SO WE'VE STARTED TO GET SOME COMMENTS IN AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THOSE.
THEY HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED AND WILL CERTAINLY BE CONSIDERED AS THIS BOARD MOVES FORWARD WITH ITS PROCESS IN MAKING A REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I, I JUST WANT, IF YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING, YOU NEED TO COME, COME TO THE MIC BECAUSE WE ARE ON TELEVISION AND FOLLOW, KEEP COMING.
BUT FOLLOWING UP ON AARON, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS AND YOU HAVE A COMMENT, SHOULD THEY SEND IT THEN TO YOU? ABSOLUTELY.
AARON PLANNING, I'M SORRY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE HAVE A A, OUR EMAIL ON THE WEBSITE PLAN ZONE@GREENBERGNY.COM.
UH, MY PERSONAL EMAIL'S H SCHMIDT NO, WHOEVER YOU WANT SEND TO.
HIS HOME PHONE NUMBER IS, I'M SORRY.
UM, SO, OKAY, SO WE HAVE FINISHED, WE, THE, THE A DU IS UP, IT'S RUN, IT'S THE LEASE IS SIGNED AND ALL AND ALL OF THAT HAS DONE RIGHT.
SO HOW ARE YOU, WELL, NO, NOT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO ASSESS THESE.
THE, THE HOMEOWNERS, THE TAX BASE WILL BE REASSESSED, CORRECT? YES.
'CAUSE YES, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE SERVICES CONTINUE.
AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A TAX BASE.
THAT, THAT, THAT IS ALREADY WE CONFIRMED WITH, WITH OUR ASSESS.
UH, GIVEN THAT, UH, I GUESS WE CAN MOVE TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? AND DO WE LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN? I'LL LEAVE THE, LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR WHAT? TILL WHAT DAY? I'M GONNA SAY AT LEAST 10 DAYS.
I'M, WE'RE GONNA SAY TILL THE 29TH.
TILL THE 29TH OF JANUARY TO LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO I'LL MOVE SECOND TOM, LESLIE SECONDS.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO OUR WORK SESSION IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES OR SO.
WE HAVE TO WORK OUR WAY BACK DOWN TO THE TABLE.
I THINK WE PREFER TO WORK ON WORK SESSION FROM THERE THAN THE JS.
I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, ON WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH THE TOWN BOARD BEING LEAVE AGENCY ON THE AD LAW.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? ONE WAY EVERY NEEDS, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TURN THE MICS ON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, PLEASE.
WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE NO OBJECTION.
WE JUST, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S JUST TAKE THE VOTE.
WE NEED A MOTION TO TAKE THE VOTE, SIR.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND FROM ANYBODY? SECOND.
THAT WAS NOT, I THINK WE'LL CALL THAT AN AYE.
IS THAT WALTER? WALTER, CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR VOTE WHETHER IT WAS IN FAVOR OPPOSED? OH, I, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE TOWN BOARD BEING THE LEAD AID.
OKAY, SO WE GET, WE GOT THROUGH THAT YOU JUST SEND ME AND I'LL SIGN IT TOMORROW.
IF I'M EVER HOME TOMORROW, I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN I'M GETTING HOME TOMORROW, BUT SOMETIME I'LL BE HOME.
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TOMORROW, TONIGHT YOU'LL, BUT I'M GONNA GET MEETING BACK AT MY PLATES TOMORROW MORNING.HEY, YOU'RE TALKING TO AN AUTHOR HERE.
JUST BE, BE NICE TO THE AUTHOR.
WHEN THE MOVIE COMES OUT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING FREE TICKETS.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY OF GOING THROUGH THIS.
I THINK THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DEAL WITH IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY THE ELEPHANT IN THE FIRST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE A VL FORWARDED TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD AND WHAT WE RECEIVED.
HOWEVER IT GOT THERE, GOT TO US, UM, AS THE REFERRAL.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT UNDER, THERE WAS NO RESTRICTION, A SQUARE FOOTAGE RE RESTRICTION IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE RESTRICTION AT ALL IN THE AV L LAW.
IN THE TOWN BOARD LAW, THERE WERE TWO RESTRICTIONS.
ONE WAS ANY LOT LESS THAN 20,000 SQUARE FOOT.
YOU COULDN'T HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD NAVY A UH, A BU AND UNDER 10,000, I'M SORRY, IS THAT JUST THE DETACHED STATE TO YOU? ANY, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION? YOU COULDN'T INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
OKAY, SO YOU COULDN'T ADD ON TO THE OUTSIDE RIGHT.
TO ANY, ANY BUILDABLE, ANY, ANY STRUCTURE.
YOU COULD CONVERT A EXISTING EXISTING BUILD MILL.
AND UNDER 10,000 IT WASN'T GOING TO BE ALLOWED AT ALL.
SO IF YOU WERE IN A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT ZONE, BUT YOU HAD 10,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S OKAY.
YOU COULD DO IT, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T, RIGHT.
AND WHAT THE ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW, AND I CONFIRM THIS WITH GARRETT, IS THAT WE HAVE VERY FEW LOTS THAT ARE THAT OVERS SIZE IN OUR FIVE AND OH SEVEN FIVE.
SO THE, ACTUALLY, THE IMPACT OF THAT WOULD BE TO PRECLUDE A A AND I'M NOT SURE THEY INTENDED TO DO THIS, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS THE REALITY OF IT, THE THAT RESTRICTION WOULD ESSENTIALLY PRECLUDE THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THAT HAVE HAVE LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
I'M SORRY, I LIVE IN AN R SEVEN FIVE, R FIVE ZONE.
THE VAST MAJORITY THERE ARE A FEW BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY END UP BEING SUBDIVIDED IF THEY'RE OVERSIZED GENERALLY.
AND THERE ARE VERY FEW OF THOSE LOTS LEFT.
WE GET FIVE OR SIX OF THEM A YEAR MAYBE.
A SUB, YOU KNOW, TWO LOT SUBDIVISIONS.
ANYBODY WANNA START THE CONVERSATION ON ON THAT? YEAH, SO I WOULD IS OKAY, WALTER, YOU'LL BE SECOND.
THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE IS THAT THERE'S LIMITATION BETWEEN 5,000 AND, UH, UM, I'M SORRY, 10,000 AND 20,000 LOTS.
BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OF MODERATE SIZED HOMES, WHICH ARE USUALLY PEOPLE WITH MODERATE SIZED INCOME, WHICH TAKES UP A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE 40% THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT'S CURRENTLY HOUSE POOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
SO THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE PROBABLY LIVING FROM PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, BURIED IN STUDENT LOANS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THEY MANAGED TO ACHIEVE A PORTION OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.
THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE, BUT THEN THERE'S NO UPWARD MOBILITY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SAVE FOR RETIREMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO CREATING THIS RESTRICTION WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR THE PEOPLE AND JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF, I I I, I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE LOGIC BEHIND IT, BUT IT EXCLUDES A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO, UM, PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF RESOURCE TO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER SOME CLARITY.
IT MAKES SENSE ON PAPERS SOMETIMES TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR INTO HUMAN ELEMENTS, YOU COULD SEE THAT IS EXTREMELY EXCLUSIONARY AND NOT SURE WHAT THE INTENT WAS.
BUT HOPEFULLY WE COULD, UM, ADD SOME LOGIC, OUR LOGIC COMMON SENSE TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE, UH, DIFFERENT SIDE OF THINGS TO CHANGE MINDS.
BEFORE I GO TO WALTER, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, JOHAN, WOULD YOU AGREE GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT, THAT THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THE RESOLUTION, WHAT WAS SENT TO US ACTUALLY, UH, FAILS TO MEET THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF A BILL THAT BE A VL ACTUALLY DRAFTED? ABSOLUTELY ABSO IT, IT COMPLETELY UNDERMINES IT AND IT GUTS THE OVERALL INTENT.
UH, WHAT, UH, JOHAN SAID IS TRUE, BUT IT EVEN GO EXPANDS BEYOND THAT, UH, BECAUSE OUR FIVES ARE LOCATED
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THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, SO IT HAS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THOSE PEOPLE OF, UH, MARGINAL INCOME, BUT IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE TOWN THAT HAS R FIVE.UH, UH, THERE ARE SOME R FIVES, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE AND HAVE A DRIVE DUTY THAT COULD HOLD THREE CARS.
MY BROTHER JUST RELOCATED AND SOLD HIS HOME IN PARKWAY GARDENS, WHICH WAS ON THE OFF SIDE, HAD A TWO PAR DETACHED GARAGE, AND HE HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD HOLD ABOUT THREE CARS.
AND SO, AND HE, WELL, THE CURRENT OWNER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONVERT THAT GARAGE INTO A DU EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT CHANGING, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE, UH, UH, OF, OF WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.
SO IT HAS A VERY BROAD IMPLICATION FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN, YOU SEE.
AND SO I THINK IT REALLY, I AGREE WITH YOUR, IT REALLY GOES CONTRARY TO WHAT WE ARE DOING, LESLIE, AND JUST THINK, OH, YEAH, JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PORTION OF IT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT THE HOMEOWNER, BUT THE RENTER, IF IT'S, IF THAT RENT PERSON, SO I CAN YOU, YOU WELL KNOW AN APARTMENT IN ONE PLACE COULD BE THE SAME EXACT SIZE, DIFFERENT RENT IN ANOTHER PLACE.
SO IF IT'S RESTRICTED TO AREAS THAT ARE TYPICALLY HIGHER INCOME, HIGHER RENT, THEN HOW IS IT BECOMING, HOW IS THAT MAKING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IS IS MY QUESTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON R 20 IN EDGEMONT WHERE YOU CAN GET YOUR KID INTO EDGEMONT SCHOOLS, THAT RENT'S GONNA BE HIGHER RIGHT? THAN IF IT IS IN CENTRAL.
AISHA, DO YOU EVER DO ANYTHING, JUST SAY MS. UM, BY THE WAY, EVERYTHING I SAID WAS A, UH, CONVERSATION DERIVED FROM AISHA ESSENTIALLY, SO I JUST STOLE THE, HER ENTIRE
I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD AISHA SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE AND I KNOW THAT SHE'S THE BRANCH BEHIND YOU, SO
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THOUGH TO IT? SERIOUSLY? UM, THE THING THAT I HAVE TO ADD HAS TO DO WITH IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED IN WRITING FROM THE PEOPLE SURE.
AND I GUESS I CAN DO THAT ALSO, I GUESS WITH A SHORT STORY.
AND IT WOULD, I THINK COMMUNICATE WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPRESS WITH A HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? LIVES, SINGLE FAMILY SOMEWHERE IN GREENBURG, LET'S SAY.
AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR, UM, HOUSE GETS DAMAGED TOTALLY FROM A FLOODING ISSUE, AND THEN THEY SUBMIT TO THE BOARD, UM, IN A, A, A LITTLE RANCH HOME SINGLE FAMILY, AND THEY SUBMIT TO THE BOARD THAT NOW THEY WANNA REBUILD AND NOW THEY WANNA BUILD A TWO FAMILY HOME.
SO THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOW THINKING ABOUT HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT ME, RIGHT? BECAUSE PEOPLE PROVIDE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK BASED ON HOW IT IMPACTS THEM.
SO THE ONE SINGLE FAMILY OWNER IS SAYING, WAIT, IF THEY BUILD A TWO FAMILY HOME, IT'S GONNA MESS UP MY VIEW.
IT'S GONNA STOP ME FROM HAVING PARKING ACCESSIBILITY WHEN I HAVE PARTIES, VISITORS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THEN, SO MY SORT OF RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE, AND I GUESS THE RESULT OF THE STORY IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS THEN SUPPORTED THE BUILDING OF THE HOME IN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LOST THEIR HOME AT NO FAULT TO THEM.
IT WAS DUE TO A STORM IDA IN SEPTEMBER.
AND WE HAVE TO PUT ASIDE OUR OWN PERSONAL SORT OF, UM, EXTRAS IN OUR HOME.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND AFFORD IT, BUT WE HAVE TO IN SOME SENSE THINK ABOUT OTHERS AND WHAT THEY GO THROUGH AND SOMETIMES LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF LUXURY FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE INTENT.
NOW I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO THIS LAW OF THE INTENT OF THE LAW.
SO I'M HEARING ABOUT PARKING, I'M HEARING ABOUT THE NEGATIVES, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE BIGGER PICTURE? WHAT IS IT SUPPORTING PEOPLE WILL HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO.
PEOPLE THAT ARE STUDENTS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A SINGLE A, A PLACE FOR THEMSELVES.
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HAVE THAT IN OUR TOWN.THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INVALUABLE, RIGHT? THAT WE SHOULD SUPPORT.
AND SO THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT, IS TO THINK ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD AND THE IMPACT OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT OUR OWN SELFISH SORT OF LUXURIES THAT CAN BE PUT ASIDE.
I GUESS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN MY HOUSE
YEAH, NOT ON THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT I, I GOT 15 PAGES OF NOTES.
I, I'M PREPARED TO DISCUSS IN SOME DETAIL WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.
WHAT I WANT TO DO, I WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS ISSUE, SIR.
FIRST AND MAKE, SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THIS ISSUE IN A STRAP POLL.
AND TOM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHAT IT ADDS.
I, IT JUST FEELS THAT IT WATERS IT DOWN FURTHER, MAKES IT HARDER AND HARDER.
IT, IT GIVES LESS PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS POSSIBILITY TO EITHER EARN EXTRA INCOME BY HAVING SOMEONE IN A DU OR TO FIND, FIND AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN EXCLUDING THE SMALLER LOTS.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, OKAY.
MY SENTIMENT IS, IS THIS, FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS WAS THAT WE MAINTAINED THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
SO THE TECHNICALLY, IN TERMS OF BUILDING DENSITY, THERE SHOULD BE NO EFFECT BECAUSE SOMEONE COULD BUILD AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, JUST DON'T PUT A KITCHEN IN OKAY.
AND AS LONG AS IT'S WITH AN FAR, SETBACKS, ET CETERA, THAT'D BE ALLOWED.
SO THE BUILDING DENSITY, I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE AT ALL.
THE BIGGEST THING, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU CAN BUILD IN YOUR LOT.
I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, AND, AND, AND GAR UH, AARON PASSED OUT, WHAT GARRETT HAD DONE FOR THE, UH, A VL IS A COMPARISON OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING VERSUS NOT WHAT EVEN HOKU WANTED, WHICH IS EVEN MORE LIBERAL, BUT WHAT OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE, AND THIS WOULD BE THE MOST RESTRICTIVE A DU LAW IN THE COUNTY, IF NOT IN THE STATE.
UM, COULD THAT BE READ TO THE RECORD? YEAH.
SO WE, WE REVIEWED LAWS, I GAVE YOU THIS FROM TARRYTOWN, IRVINGTON, DOBBS FERRY ARTS LEAGUE, HASTINGS UNDER HUDSON, MOUNT PLEASANT, ANG PORTCHESTER, AND PLEASANTVILLE BEFORE WE CAME UP WITH OURS.
SO ESSENTIALLY, NOT TRYING TO BE BRAGGADOCIO, BUT OUR LAW IS ESSENTIALLY THE BEST CULMINATION OF ALL OF THESE COMBINED.
AND THEN WE MADE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO GREENBERG SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE APPROACH THIS WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SENSITIVITY.
AND CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON A VL BESIDES THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD? I THINK YOU SHOULD, FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC, WE, WE HAVE THE, THE CEO OF THE, HOLD ON A SECOND, I GOTTA GET HIS.
THE CEOE STAND FOR, AGAIN, ACCESSIBLE ENVIRON LIVING, CEO OF BUILDING AND REALTY INSTITUTE OF WESTCHESTER.
WE HAVE, UM, UH, EXECUTIVES FROM WEST HAB.
I FORGET WHERE MARLENE Z FROM WRO IS ALL I REMEMBER.
BUT THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS IN THEIR FIELD, AND ALL THEY'VE BEEN DOING IS STUDYING AND APPLYING POLICIES TOWARDS MIXED USE, MIXED INCOME, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, FEW DECADES.
SO THEY'VE ACTED AS ADVISORS FOR US ATTENDING.
THE MAJORITY OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD IN ADDITION TO THESE EXPERTS, WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS WORTH OF EXPERIENCE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
JUST WALTER, JUST WALTER, LET ME POINT TO YOU.
UM, WE, WE, WE HAD CONCERNED CITIZENS THAT HAVE A PASSION FOR HELPING OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND ONE OF THEM HAPPENED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD RECENTLY, AN ALTERNATE MEMBER.
SO THIS, LIKE, THIS RICH MOSAIC OF EXPERIENCE AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AND PASSION THAT HAD AN INTEREST IN HELPING US TO, TO, TO CREATE THIS LAW AND SOME OTHER POLICIES AND TOOLS THAT WILL ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN, IN, UH, GREENBURG OVERALL.
SO THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CAME UP, UH, WITH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TOOK SEVERAL SESSIONS AND ALMOST A YEAR WORTH OF CONVERSATIONS AND CON CONSULTATION FOR US TO ACTUALLY GET TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I, I'M A LITTLE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE MODIFICATION BECAUSE IT SEEMS SO
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ARBITRARY AFTER ALL OF THAT CONSULTATION, THE VOLUNTEER HOURS, THE PROFESSIONALISM AND EXPERTISE THAT WAS POURED INTO THIS TO JUST AFTER WHO KNOWS HOW LONG, UH, TO SAY, HEY, LET'S JUST ADD THIS LIMITATION AND FOR IT TO COMPLETELY UNDERMINE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE WORKED TO TOWARDS.I, I THINK TO SOME DEGREE, UH, WHEN WE OFFER OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE IN, UH, UNANIMOUS, UM, UH, THERE'S A CONSENSUS HERE THAT IT DOESN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE LAW TO YOUR POINT, AND IT ACTUALLY TAKES AWAY.
FIRST OF ALL, OH, I JUST WANNA ADD, YOU MISSED ONE PERSON, UH, TERRY TO FROM THE CA.
WHAT I WANTED, WANTED TO SAY, OKAY, FOX, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS WE ALSO HAD A FORMER MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, UH, THAT ATTENDED AND IS STILL A MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE.
AND WE HAVE A CURRENT MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD WHO HAS SHOWN UP REGULARLY.
THE REST OF THEM REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AND, AND WE, THE A VL UNFORTUNATELY, AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT DIRECTLY THEMSELVES TO THE TOWN BOARD WHEN IT'S DISCUSSED AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL.
I JUST WANT TO GET THIS, THIS OFF THE TABLE, IT SEEMS TO ME.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT BEFORE POLL? YEAH, JUST ONE LAST COMMENT.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THIS REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN AND WHY I WAS ASKING FOR IT TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS I HEARD FOR THE CHANGE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE HAD TO DO WITH THE CONCERN FOR INCREASING DENSITY IN THESE SMALLER ZONES.
BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY COME THROUGH OVER THE YEARS, AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS GOES BACK TO NINETIES 87, 87, THAT THE RESPONSE HASN'T BEEN SUCH, WHERE IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMING IN ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT I'M SEEING HERE.
SO WHERE IT WOULD CAUSE, HUH? I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.
NO, AM I SAYING SOMETHING WRONG? NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
NO, YOU WERE JUST INTERRUPTING.
YES, I WAS SPEAK MICHAEL, CONTINUE.
I WAS BEING MICHAEL, GO AHEAD.
AND SO MICHAEL, IT IS TIME FOR, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT OUT THAT WE HAVE A REALISTIC VIEW ON WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
IS THIS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH IN THE R FIVE AND R 7.5? OR IS IT JUST A GHOST CONCERN AND THAT'S IT? OKAY.
AGAIN, I THINK THERE ARE TWO REASONS THEN.
THE, THE FIRST REASON IS YOU'RE PROTECTED BY THE UNDERLYING ZONE AND THEREFORE, AND UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND THE ZONING, YOU COULD, YOU COULD BUILD AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN FAR, ET CETERA.
SO HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT? COMBINE THAT WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT WE'RE NOT, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE CAPPED IT ANYWAY.
EVEN IF WE GOT A THOUSAND APPLICATIONS, WE'RE ONLY GONNA GONNA APPROVE 25 PROBABLY THIS YEAR.
SO THE TWO OF THEM, THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE DE MINIMIS.
SO I JUST WANNA TAKE A STRAW POLL ALL IN FAVOR OF STICKING TO THE WAY IT WAS, UH, WRITTEN BY THE A VL WITHOUT THE RESTRICT 20 AND 10,000 RESTRICTIONS.
NO MOVEMENT, NO MOVE, IT'S ALL GONNA START POLL WE'RE GONNA DO, BUT IN OTHER WORDS, RECOMMENDING IT THE WAY IT WAS RIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE LIMITS BE DELETED FROM THE BILL.
I JUST WANNA TAKE A STRAW POLL BECAUSE IT'S ALL GONNA GO INTO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'LL ULTIMATELY VOTE ON.
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ALSO, AND IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO POINT OUT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES AS THOSE OUTBUILDINGS, RIGHT? SO A, A SECOND ACCESSORY BUILDING IS PERMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO SAY MAYBE BEING SPECIFIC IN YOUR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS, UM, WHETHER THAT RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY.
YOU DON'T WANT THAT RESTRICTION AT ALL TO APPLY ONLY TO, UM, ADDITIONAL OUTBUILDINGS.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S THE 10,000 VERSUS THE 20,000.
JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE JUST LIKE FORMULATING THAT.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARD IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE RESTRICTION AT ALL.
RIGHT? SO I'M SO, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THE, AND OF COURSE, IT'S THE OTHER PART ABOUT PEOPLE DENSITY, WHICH WAS UNCOVERED BY JOHAN, WHICH IS THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW WITH SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU CAN HAVE A BORDER.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? OKAY.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? JUST BRING IT UP AS A CONSIDERATION LESS FOR WHEN YOU WRITE YOUR REPORT.
DO PUT THEM IN AN EXISTING BEDROOM RIGHT NOW.
THE SECOND POINT, AND I DO WANT GET TO YOUR POINT, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT I THINK THE BIG POINTS ARE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK, I DON'T THINK GREENBERG'S UNIQUE, BUT IT'S PRETTY BAD WHEN IT COMES TO THE, TO OUR STREETS
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IN TERMS OF PARKING, WE HAVE VERY NARROW STREETS AND A LOT OF GREENBERG, HILLY STREETS, LOTS OF OF STREETS THAT, THAT ENDED NOWHERE.FOR TWO EXAMPLES, YOU END IN HIS DRIVEWAY, THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU END IN HIS STREET.
THAT'S WHERE YOU END UP IN MY, MY STREET.
AND THERE'S NO PARKING ON MY STREET.
AND, AND IN THE WINTER, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREETS AT ALL FROM DECEMBER 1ST TO MARCH 15TH.
THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, AND THE CONCERN I HEAR IS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO TURN THESE AREAS INTO AN ASPHALT JUNGLE, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE HANDLE RIGHT NOW? AND THIS MAY, IS THIS TOO RESTRICTIVE, THE RIGHT RESTRICTIVE? OR DO WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU WANNA TALK, WHAT YOUR POINT THAT YOU GAVE ME SUBPOENA, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S DIFFERENT IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE THE OH YEAH.
WHAT SHOULD BRING THAT UP? YEAH.
SO ON PAGE FOUR IN, I THINK IT'S WHAT QQ SEVEN, IT SAYS AT LEAST ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE SHALL BE PRO PROVIDED PER ACCESSORY UNIT.
BUT LATER ON, ON PAGE SIX, UNDER SQUIGGLE SIX AMENDMENTS, THE UNDERLYING SECTION SAYS ONE OFF STREET PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED PER EACH BEDROOM.
REMEMBER WE DID IT, IT'S DIFFERENT IN THE SAME DOCUMENT.
IT CONFLICTS, IT CONFLICTS, IT'S INCONSISTENT.
UH, CAN YOU READ THAT LAST PART AGAIN? IT SAYS, ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE SHALL BE PROVIDED PER EACH BEDROOM OF THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
SO IN THE BEGINNING IT SAYS AT LEAST ONE, AND THAT ONE GOES INTO DETAIL TO SPECIFY IF YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A TWO BEDROOM AT LEAST.
AND THE SECOND ONE, FIRST ONE GOES TO CLARIFY.
OKAY, SO I LEARNED TODAY FROM YOU AND PLEASE AARON OR AMANDA CORRECT THIS IF IT'S WRONG, THAT IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TODAY IN ANY OF THESE ZONES, YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.
SO IF I HAD, IF I HAD A SEVEN BEDROOM HOME, I DON'T, UM, I'D ONLY NEED TWO PARKING SPACES BY CODE.
BUT IF I HAD A TWO BEDROOM A DU, I NEED TWO MORE SPACES.
THAT DOES NOT SEEM, THAT IS TRUE.
WAS, AND TO ADD TO THAT, RUMORS AND BORDERS, YOU NEED ONE FOR ADDITIONAL RUMOR BORDER.
WHY DOESN'T IT SEEM RIGHT? HMM.
WHY DOESN'T IT SEEM RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING ON THE ONE HAND YOU CAN HAVE AN ENORMOUS HOUSE THAT'S ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO, BUT IF YOU HAVE A TINY A DU WITH TWO ROOMS, YOU NOW HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO.
WELL, I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S EXCESSIVE.
IF IT'S A SINGLE MOTHER WITH, UM, SOME KIDS, OR I KNOW IT'S A RANGE, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT NEED TO HAVE A CAR.
YOU COULD HAVE ONE PERSON THAT, THAT ONLY HAS A CAR AND HAS A COUPLE KIDS.
BUT I'M SAYING IF THE LAW RIGHT NOW SAYS, FOR THIS YOU ONLY NEED THIS FOR THIS.
I DON'T SEE WHY YOU NEED THE SAME AMOUNT.
SO IS YOUR POINT THAT YOU SHOULD NOT NEED TWO SPOTS FOR THE A DU? IS THAT IT'S A QUESTION.
I MEAN, AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND A LOT OF THEM ARE OVERRUN WITH CARS.
NOW PEOPLE, WHEN I WAS A KID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS MAYBE ONE OR TWO CARS PER HOUSE.
I GET, I DON'T THE TOWN TO BE OVERRUN.
AND WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT A PARKING SPOT IS, CAN YOU CLARIFY IT'S 20 BY 10 OUTSIDE LEGALLY? MM-HMM.
SO THAT MEANS THE GARAGES OF PARKING SPOTS, LEGAL DEFINITION, SIZE, THAT LEADS UP TO THE GARAGES OF PARKING SPOT.
IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A LENGTHY DRIVEWAY YES.
SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE HOUSE IN STOCK IN GREENBURG RIGHT NOW, AND YOU LOOK AT DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING AND ALL OF THAT, MANY HOMES ALREADY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ADUS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO APPLY FOR ADUS WOULD HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED THEIR LOT AND WHAT THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE.
SO IT'S NOT AS IF THEY LIVE ON, UH, OLD, UH, DOS FERRY ROAD, YOU KNOW WHERE KMART IS AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND THERE'S NO PARKING THERE AND THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET AN A DU, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT A PARKING SPACE.
SO ULTIMATELY THE, THE, UH, THE ATTRIBUTES OF THE HOME WOULD DISQUALIFY THEM FROM EVEN APPLYING.
RIGHT? SO FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S APPLYING TO GET AN A DU WILL REVIEW THE LAW, SEE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE THAT EXIST, AND IF THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE IT AND IT MAKES SENSE AND, AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF, THE UNDERLYING, UNDERLYING ZONING REMAINS THE SAME, THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
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THEN UNFORTUNATELY, VIDEO WOULDN'T QUALIFY.I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ONE SPACE VERSUS TWO, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLER LOT SIZES WHERE WE WANNA MAKE THIS AT LEAST POSSIBLE IN SOME INSTANCES, PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THAT REQUIREMENT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHO WOULD BE LIVING THERE.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD, UH, MURRAY MENTIONED HIS GRANDSON THAT WANTED TO LIVE IN MANHATTAN ONCE THE INDEPENDENCE FOR INSTANCE, AND IS INTERESTED IN SHARING THE EXPENSE OF, UH, LIVING SPACE.
SO HE MIGHT HAVE A ROOMMATE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IF THEY'RE NOT A MARRIED COUPLE, YOU CAN ASSUME TWO WORKING ADULTS WILL HAVE A VEHICLE EACH, AT THE VERY LEAST, RIGHT? OR, UM, THINK ABOUT, UH, SINGLE PARENTS WITH A TEENAGE SON OR DAUGHTER OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
MANY, MANY INSTANCES, RIGHT? SO THERE'S SO MANY SCENARIOS.
WE, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY, AND WE COULDN'T AT THE TIME NECESSARILY NARROW IT DOWN TO SAY IT SHOULD BE THIS SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE CREATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ELEMENTS AND IF IT'S RIGHT FOR THEM, THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
AND IF NOT, OKAY, WELL, LEMME ASK YOU A QUE A QUESTION.
THERE ARE HOUSES IN R FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE THAT HAVE FOUR SPACES.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE ALSO HOUSES THAT BARELY HAVE TWO.
OKAY? THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT IF THERE WERE TWO BEDROOM UNIT, AN ADDITIONAL TWO SPACES.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT IN GENERAL? HOW DO YOU EVALUATE THAT IN GENERAL WITHOUT SCREWING UP THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT WOULDN'T WORK ON THAT PROPERTY.
I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION RIGHT TO US.
SO ULTIMATELY IF IT, IT DOESN'T WORK AND IT CHANGED THE CHARACTER.
I, I LIVE ON JUNIPER HILL ROAD AND ODDLY ENOUGH THERE'S, UH, A GOLD PATH OR, OR, UH, A CURB, A RAISED CURB.
AND IN FRONT OF SOME OF THOSE HOUSES, IT'S KIND OF RECESSED A LITTLE BIT.
AND PEOPLE PARKED THERE, IT, IT, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL AND NOT ALLOWED.
BUT THEY'VE BEEN LIVING HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOREVER, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING THAT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.
IF THEY PRESENT A PROPERTY WITH AN APPLICATION THAT HAD THAT TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION, WE WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD LOOK LIKE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE THOSE TYPE OF ALLOTMENTS ALREADY.
SO IF I READ IT CORRECTLY THOUGH, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND GET MAYBE A VARIANCE FROM THE LAW.
AND I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO SENIORS THAT DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT, EVEN THOUGH MY HOUSE, I CAN HAVE TWO SPACES.
I'M 80 YEARS OLD, I'M NOT DRIVING.
YOU ARE 80, YOU LOOK GOOD FOR 80 YEARS.
I KNOW I THIS, SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING, BECAUSE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES FIT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID GET FROM THIS LAW WAS WE ARE NEW TO THIS.
MAYBE WE MIGHT TYPE LOOSEN THE REINS AT SOME OTHER TIME, BUT RIGHT NOW IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THE PROCESS IN A YEAR, IN ANOTHER YEAR.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE, THE ZONING WOULDN'T MATTER HOW WE WRITE THIS HAS THE, HAS THE RIGHT OVERRIDE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA IN A SPECIAL PERMIT.
OKAY? SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE LOT THERE.
MICHAEL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE PARKING THING? AND THEN WE CAN GET PROBABLY TO YOUR, TO YOUR LIST.
SO WHAT I HEAR AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE STRONG POLL AS HE'S CONSTRUCTING A RECOMMENDATION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENTS AS WRITTEN IN THE LAW.
COULD I HAVE YEAH, RAISE YOUR HAND.
I BELIEVE FROM, UH, A FRIEND AT HOME TONIGHT.
A HOME VIEW? YEAH, MY HAND IS RAISED.
OKAY, SO IT'S TWO THINGS, YOU KNOW, GO INTO THE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY BIG ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS? WELL, MICHAEL'S ON THE DECK THING.
I HAVE ONE, JUST ONE QUICK ONE THAT I WANT, MICHAEL, 'CAUSE HE'S GOT HIS LAUNDRY LIST.
I DO WANT TO TRY TO GET, YEAH, I HAVE A QUICK ONE.
UH, AND IN THE CURRENT LAW IT SAYS THAT, UH, UH, THE DOOR HAS TO BE ON THE SIDE OR THE BACK.
IT MOST, MOST CASES THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT SAY IF YOU HAVE A RANCH, A NICE, A LONG RANCH, AND IF YOU PUT IN ANOTHER DOOR THAT'S STILL, YOU SEE
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PLENTY OF RANCHES THAT HAVE TWO DOORS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, HAVE A MAIN DOOR.THEY MIGHT HAVE A ANOTHER DOOR INTO THE FAMILY ROOM OR, AND IT BLENDS INTO THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO I THINK THAT POSITION SHOULD BE MODIFIED THAT IF IT IS SHOWN, IF A, IF THE FRONT DOOR, IF IT IS SHOWN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, THEN THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED RATHER THAN SAY IT CANNOT BE DONE.
WALTER, I WAS ALSO VARIANCE, CAN'T YOU? EXACTLY.
I WAS ALSO THINKING IF YOU HAD AN EXISTING GARAGE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE OVERHEAD DOOR HAD A, AN ENTRY DOOR IN IT, WHICH SOME GARAGES DO, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DETACHED AND IT FACES THE FRONT, RIGHT.
IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW, BUT IF IT'S PREEXISTING, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
TO ME, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S AN EASY THING FOR VERY, I YEAH, BUT I THINK IT IS, IT IS THE KEY THING, WHAT WE SAY WE WANT THESE THINGS TO BE, TO BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND IN THIS CASE, THE FRONT DOOR WOULD BLEND INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE, WE MIGHT PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE, UH, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD THAT IS CONSISTENT AND WE, AND UH, UH, WE SHOULD NOT ENCOURAGE IT.
BUT IT, THAT WHEN IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THAT A FRONT DOOR WOULD BE CONSISTENT, THEN THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
I THOUGHT WHEN WE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WRONG, GUYS THAT RUN A BL, DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT IF THERE WAS AN EXISTING DOOR YOU COULD USE IT AND EXISTING
I THOUGHT IT EVEN SAID IN THE LAW, NOT AN EXISTING DOOR.
UM, AN A DU, LET ME JUST READ YOU WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS.
SO WE ALL KNOW AN A DU LOCATED WITHIN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE MUST HAVE A DIRECT INGRESS AND EGRESS ACCESS TO THE OUTSIDE.
THE A DU MAY HAVE A SEPARATING DOOR OR DOORS BETWEEN IT.
THE PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE PROVIDED THE DOOR IS LOCKED, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES PROPOSED TO CONTAIN AN A DU SHALL NOT HAVE OR HAVE HAD OR HAVE HAD OR HAVE HAD ADDITIONAL FRONT ENTRIES.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THE RESIDENTS ADMIN, RIGHT? IT'S IT'S REPEATED.
IT, I READ THAT AS EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SECOND DOOR, YOU CAN'T USE IT.
YEAH, I, YEAH, I THINK, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE.
IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ACTUALLY.
PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES PROPOSE TO CONTAIN N-D-U-A-D-U SHALL NOT HAVE OR HAVE HAD ADDITIONAL FRONT ENTRIES TO THE RESIDENCE ADDED.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT SENTENCE IS NOT A GOOD SENTENCE.
I THINK THE POINT OF IT WAS NOT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL DOOR TO THE FRONT.
SO LET ME, LET ME THEN TAKE WALTER'S POINT.
SO WALTER'S POINT IS, IF YOU HAVE A SECOND DOOR, WHICH SOME PEOPLE DO, AND YOU CAN REDIRECT IT TO THE A DU, SHOULD THAT BE ALLOWED, EVEN THOUGH IT FACES FRONT, IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, SHOULD I THINK THAT'S A NO-BRAINER TO ME DOESN'T CHANGE THE CHARACTERS OF THE HOUSE OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE NEED TO REVISE THAT LANGUAGE.
RIGHT? THE INTENT IS THE CHARACTER APPEARANCE AND THAT'S ONLY ADDRESS.
PARDON? BUT IF YOU WERE TO ADD A WING TO YOUR RANCH, CAN'T ADD ANY NEW TO HUH? THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND A FRONT DOOR WOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY ATTRACTIVE.
ARE WE DOING IF ANDS NO, I, WALTER, I DISAGREE.
I THINK IF IT'S AN EXISTING DOOR THAT YOU CAN REDIRECT FOR THE USE OF A DU, THAT'S A NO-BRAINER THAT CAN PUT IN THE LAW, EVERYTHING ELSE OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE PLAYING IS YOU'RE PLAYING CASE BY CASE ANALYSIS, OTHERWISE, I AGREE WITH YOU, LESLIE.
SO THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE, WE'RE KIND OF ALL OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THE, CAN I CHANGE WITH THE EXISTING DOOR BE USED FOR NEW TO YOU? NO, I, I, LET'S SEE WHAT MIKE HAS TO SAY.
LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS ONE A MINUTE.
START GOING THROUGH YOUR STUFF.
I DON'T LIKE THE LAW, BUT BEFORE I GO FURTHER AND EXPLAIN WHY, UM, LET ME SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE WORK, THE SINCERITY, THE GOALS.
WOULD YOU GUYS HAVE HAD, I'VE BEEN LISTENING.
I'VE HEARD YOU, I'VE HEARD YOU AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING GREENBERG SHOULD DO.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT FOR TWO REASONS.
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THE EXPERIENCE OF THE SURROUNDING TOWNS AND EVEN THE OPINION OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT INDICATE THAT THE RESPONSE WILL BE DI MINIMIS.IF IT'S DE MINIMUS, WHAT'S THE POINT? ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THERE IS A POSITIVE RESPONSE, IF WE DO GET 25 A YEAR, IF WE DO INCREASE IT, IF WE DO RELAX SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS, LIKE, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS, I THINK SEATTLE DID.
UM, THEN IT CAN CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLEXION OF GREENBERG.
NOT ALL OF GREENBERG, BUT MAYBE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL, WHICH FRANKLY I'M SURE THE PROPONENTS OF IT WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IT WILL CONFLICT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOT THAT I AGREE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I'LL READ THIS.
DON'T SAY ANY, I KNOW YOU'RE DYING, NOT TALKING.
I, MY QUESTION, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP PRESERVE THE DENSITY OF EXISTING UNDERLYING ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS.
AND, AND I THINK, I GUESS IT WAS GARRETT WHO RESPONDED, DID GARRETT DO THIS THING? YEAH.
I MEAN, WHAT GARRETT BASICALLY SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE RELATIVELY LOW PERCENTAGE OF POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL ANNUAL ADU BLAH, BLAH BLAH, DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE IN CONFLICT BECAUSE THE INCREASE IN DENSITY IS DE MINIMUS.
WELL, IF IT'S DE MINIMUS FINE, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT'S, IF IT'S DE MINIMIS, WHAT'S THE POINT? IF IT'S NOT DI MINIMUS, IF IT BEGINS TO REACH AND MAKE A, TAKE A BITE OUT OF THE 700 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WE NEED, THEN IT WILL NO LONGER BE OUS.
IT WILL AFFECT THE QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT TILL YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING BEFORE WE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
UM, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NOTION OF ALLOWING SENIORS TO AGE IN PLACE, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS ACCOMPLISHES THAT.
WHY DO I SAY THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBERS WORK.
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO BUILD AN A DU? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, AARON, AARON, AARON, NO.
GARRETT WROTE BACK, HE SAID BETWEEN 100 AND $300,000 THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THEN THE QUESTION IS THIS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO AGE IN PLACE, IF THEY NEED AN A DU TO AGE IN PLACE, CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BORROW THE 200,000.
WHAT'S THE MONTHLY, YOU KNOW, MORTGAGE PAYMENT? WHAT WILL BE THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX? BECAUSE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WILL INCREASE, I THINK WHEN SOMEBODY'S ALREADY SAID THAT.
AND THIRD, OKAY, WHAT IS THE RENT? WHAT RENT WOULD PEOPLE BE WILLING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, FOR A UNIT IN THIS PART OF GREENBURG? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW, I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY'S RUN THOSE NUMBERS, SO TO SAY, LOOK, IT'LL BE, IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO ALLOW AGING IN PLACE.
DOES THIS DO IT? I HAVE NO IDEA.
LET ME LET, LEMME FINISH NOW LET ME FINISH.
THAT'S WHAT I, I'M GONNA DO BECAUSE THIS IS IN A PRECISE ORDER.
IF I GET INTERRUPTED, THEN I HAVE TO START FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO PLEASE CONTINUE FROM WHERE I WAS NOT THE BEGINNING.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO EXTEND EVERY PLANNING BOARD SESSION FOR AN HOUR.
YOU KNOW, UM, DOUBLE YOUR PAY FOR REVIEWING ALL OF THESE APPLICATIONS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
IT'S A BIG, IT'S A, IT'S A, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, IT'S A LOT OF EXTRA WORK.
AND IF THIS PROVISION STAYS IN HERE, WHICH SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DENY AN APPLICATION.
IF IT CONFLICTS WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE HAVE TO ALL GO OUT THERE AND DO A SITE VISIT.
BELIEVE ME, YOU DO NOT WANT THAT HEADACHE.
UM, IF IT'S SUCCESS, IF IT'S A SUCCESS, LET'S SAY IT'S, IT'S A SUCCESS.
75 APPLICATIONS A YEAR, WHATEVER.
LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE IT DOES.
I MEAN, ONE REASON THE TOWN BOARD REJECTED OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR ELMWOOD, I BELIEVE IS WHERE THEY SAID IT INCREASED THE DENSITY AND CONFLICT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
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NUMBER TWO, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A SUCCESS, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON PARKING, ON TRAFFIC, ON SCHOOLS, BRINGING IN YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS TRIED TO DETERMINE THAT IMPACT IN THE EVENT OF SUCCESS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, UM, ANY ANALYSIS ALONG THOSE LINES.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION I ASKED, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED, I'M SORRY GARRETT, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOUR ANSWER.
HAVE OTHER ALTERNATIVES BEEN CONSIDERED SUCH AS ZONING FOR MORE MULTIFAMILY DRAWINGS? I MEAN THAT TO ME MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
SO MORE, I'M SORRY, I MULTIFAMILY HOMES OR APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS.
I MEAN, WHAT IF THEY WERE GONNA BUILD TWO FAMILY HOMES IN EDGEMONT.
A GESTURE IS, I'M, I'M SURE I'M WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE.
BUT I WOULDN'T, SO LONG AS IT WAS DONE SENSIBLY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTFULLY AND WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT THE ANSWER WAS EITHER USER ANTICIPATED TO BE ONE ZONING TOOL AMONG OTHERS THAT EXIST.
I MEAN, IT, IT WASN'T UNS ANSWER, I'M AFRAID.
I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU WERE CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVES.
YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM.
AND, AND THE REASON I ASK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES IS I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT.
I, I THINK ADUS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.
UM, FINALLY, UM, IT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR CHANGE.
IT'S A ZONING CHANGE THAT AFFECTS IN ONE BROAD BRUSH THE ENTIRE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
I THINK, UM, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, THERE ARE GONNA A LOT OF, THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF CON UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, WHICH WILL BE NEGATIVE.
AND IF IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL, I GET BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
IF YOU WANNA START ADDRESSING IT, MAY I HAVE A LOT TO I CAN COMMENT.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS A LOT, MAN.
WHY DO AUS, IF IT'S DE MINIS, SEE YEAR'S AGENT EMPLOYEES, HOW WOULD THEY AFFORD IT? EXTENDED PLANNING BOARD BY AN HOUR AND SITE VISITS IMPACT ON PARKING IN SCHOOLS ALTERNATIVES.
SO I NEED TO BE CLEAR, ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT SUBSTITUTES.
SO THIS IS ONE VERSION OF A TOOL THAT WE FEEL WILL HELP THE, THE HOUSING SITUATION.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL LATER ON.
BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT IT BEING DE MINIMIS AND THE IMPACT ON PARKING AND SCHOOLS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 APPLICATIONS PER YEAR.
IF WELL JUST, THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT IN THE LAW.
CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF RECOMMENDATION ON MY, THAT'S PART OF, PART OF THE LAW.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
SO 25 NEW FAMILIES, AND I'M SAYING FAMILIES 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE THIS AS GRAND AS POSSIBLE.
WHEN WE CONSIDER 25 NEW FAMILIES A YEAR MOVING INTO GREENBURG, THAT'S NOT A HUGE IMPACT.
THAT, THAT DOESN'T SHUT DOWN SCHOOLS STREETS AND CREATE AN UNDESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
GREENBURG IS A VERY LARGE PLACE AND IT COULD ACCOMMODATE A LOT.
I WANNA READ TO YOU THE, UM, UH, AN EXCERPT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG FOLLOWED WESTCHESTER COUNTY'S DOWNWARD TREND.
IN THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZES DECLINED DUE TO LOWER BIRTH RATES, INCREASED DIVORCE RATES, DELAYS IN MARRIAGE, AND INCREASED LONGEVITY PRODUCING MORE SINGLE PERSON SENIOR HOUSEHOLD.
IN THE YEARS, UH, 2020 AND 2030, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD PROJECTIONS FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE AVERAGES IN THE YEARS 2000, 2010.
ALRIGHT, I WANT TO SCOOT OVER TO SOMETHING ELSE HERE, WHICH IS PART OF THE LAW, UM, PART OF THE PLAN.
CHAPTER 10 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU WANNA TAKE THAT? NO, IT'S ALMOST 10 O'CLOCK.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE CALLING.
HOUSING POLICIES SHOULD BE INFLUENCED BY THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND THROUGH LAND USE PATTERNS THAT PROTECT AND ENHANCE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS CHAPTER CONTAINS IT, IT JUST GOES ON TO EXPLAIN THAT.
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PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH TO ME, THAT EXCERPT HOUSING POLICIES SHOULD BE INFLUENCED BY DEMOGRAPHICS AND POPULATIONS AND PROJECTIONS.GREENBERG HAS THE POTENTIAL TO, UM, AGE AND NOT ALLOW A NEW INFLUX OF LIFE AND FAMILIES THAT WILL CAUSE THE OVERALL COMMUNITY TO DIMINISH.
RIGHT? WE NEED VITALITY, WE NEED AN INFUSION OF CHANGE.
AND IF WE'RE FOLLOWING THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE CHANGES OF, UH, SOCIETY AT LARGE, WE NEED TO EVOLVE WITH THAT AS WELL.
WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE PROTECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S SO MANY SAFEGUARDS TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T ANY VIOLATIONS, UM, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAUSE OVERCROWDING AND ALL, ALL THE, LIKE, THERE LIMITS TO THE AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE COULD GET PER YEAR.
AND THAT'S, IF THEY'RE APPROVED, THERE'LL BE 25 ADDITIONAL FAMILIES.
SO IF IT'S ULTIMATELY DE MINIMIS AND IT COULD HELP 2, 3, 4 FAMILIES PER YEAR, WHY NOT DO IT? BECAUSE WE'RE HELPING 2, 3, 4 FAMILIES PER YEAR AS OPPOSED TO NOBODY AT ALL.
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK AND THE SET ASIDE HAS DONE NOTHING OVER THE LAST WHAT, 20, 20 YEARS? 20 YEARS.
BUT IF, EXPLAIN EX, JUST EXPLAIN WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, WHERE THE SIZE, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSEHOLD IS DECREASING BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, STATISTICALLY, BUT, BUT HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT LINK IN WITH THE EDS SCHOOLS? MORE SINGLE FAMILY, MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
PEOPLE ARE, UH, LIVING LONGER.
AND I FORGET THE, THE EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT MY INTERPRETATION IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OLDER FOLKS LIVING ON THEIR OWN, WHICH TO ME LENDS ITSELF AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE, UH, PARDON AN INCLUSIVE TYPE OF HOME WHERE THEY COULD HAVE, UH, POTENTIAL YOUNG PEOPLE OR FAMILIES.
I MEAN, LIVING IN THE A DU, LIVING IN THE A D NOT NECESSARILY, OR VICE VERSA.
SO IT CREATES A ACCOMMODATIONS FOR I JUST WANT WAS IN.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO ANOTHER DEMOGRAPHIC THAT'S SOMEWHERE ON MY PHONE IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LARGE CONTINGENT, UM, THE FASTEST GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC WITHIN WESTCHESTER, LATINX COMMUNITIES, AND THEY, UM, TEND TO HAVE, UM, MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOMES AS WELL.
SO IT CREATES A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PUT, YOU KNOW, GRANDMA ON THE BACK OR MAYBE THE KID THAT'S GETTING READY TO LEAVE FOR COLLEGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THERE ARE ALL OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AT LENGTH.
AND, AND WHAT WE DID WAS CREATE A, A REAL TEMPLATE TO ALLOW, UH, GREENBERG TO GROW IN A WAY THAT'S, I HATE TO USE THE WORD CONTROLLED, BUT IN, IN A MEASURED WAY.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT GREENBERG IS THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAYING.
WHEN I GET OLDER, I COULD MOVE INTO THE GARAGE AND THEN WHAT DO YOU MEAN, MICHAEL? WHAT DO YOU MEAN OVER JESUS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN OVER, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY AND CHARGE HIM.
HOLD ON ONE, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WANNA MAKE SURE I ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT'S IMPORTANT POINT.
THE THE LAST THING, I'M SORRY.
EXTENDED PLANNING BOARD FOR AN HOUR AND SITE VISITS.
WE, WE, WE, WE DO SITE VISITS WHEN NECESSARY.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.
IT'S JUST PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
THOSE OF US THAT THAT CAN AND EXTENDING, I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL IT WOULD BE EXTENDED A PLANNING BOARD FOR AN HOUR.
THIS DISCUSSION IS TAKEN PROBABLY.
WELL, I I DIDN'T MEAN THAT LITERALLY.
I, NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ENTIRE, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT IS PART OF THE, WHAT WE DO ANYWAY.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA ADD TO OUR WORKLOAD PER SE.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPLICATION.
ADD TO WORKLOAD, COUPLE THINGS ON SITE VISITS.
IT'S BEEN VERY, AND YOU'VE BEEN ACTUALLY, YOU'VE DONE IT A LOT OF TIMES.
WE COULD, LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER.
BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DENY AN APPLICATION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER THAT YOU, THEN WE HAVE TO, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO OUT.
CAN, CAN I, CAN I JUST ADD, FIRST OF ALL, GREAT JOB.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO.
SO WHEN I GET IT, OKAY, WALTER, I, I'LL BE SHORT.
AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE OVERALL THIS IS ONE, ONE METHOD TWO, IT'S NOT A NEW METHOD.
WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS IN OTHER AREAS OF LESS RESTRICTIVE AND IT'S, IT'S DI MINIMIS.
OKAY? THREE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS DI MINIMIS AS THIS BECAUSE THE ONE THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE YOU COULD EASILY FIT IT INTO THE CHARACTER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PERFECT EXAMPLE WOULD, WOULD BE ELMWOOD.
THE PROBLEM WITH SET ASIDES IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY, FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LARGE, LARGE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? SECOND OF ALL, THEY ACTUALLY PENALIZE THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY COST THE DEVELOPER MONEY.
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THE DEVELOPER.THEY MAKE MORE MONEY WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A UNIT.
OKAY? YOU CAN ADD AN A DU SEAMLESSLY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WAS THERE.
IT'S BEING DONE IN CHAPO RIGHT NOW, VERY SUCCESSFULLY WITH CONDOS WHERE THEY'RE TAKING THE TOP TWO FLOORS OF THE CONDO MAKING IT WHAT? THE PRIMARY UNIT IN THE BASEMENT BEING, BEING, UH, A, UH, AN A DU.
IN FACT, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ELWOOD, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING THE BASEMENT EMPTY.
SO WHAT IT DOES, IT DOES TWO THINGS.
IT BUYS DOWN THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE FOR THE PRIMARY OWNER AS WELL AS CREATE THE AFFORDABLE UNIT IN THE BOTTOM.
SO IT'S GOT TWO, TWO ADVANTAGES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION I THINK WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY WE COULD GO BACK TO, WE STILL CAN GO BACK TO ELMWOOD 113 HOUSES IN ELMWOOD.
WE COULD ADD 25 OF THESE TO ELWOOD.
AND ALMOST ACCOMPLISH WHAT THIS BOARD TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH BEFORE.
AND BY THE PRIMARY REASON IT WAS TURNED DOWN WASN'T DENSITY BECAUSE OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT SAID IT WAS FINE.
RIGHT? IT WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF OUR, OF OUR LAW ABOUT TAXATION.
THEY WERE WORRIED THERE WAS NO WAY THEY COULD GET FULL ASSESSMENT ON TOWNHOUSES EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S CASE LAW THAT SAYS THEY COULDN'T FROM DOBBS FERRY.
UH, UH, TALKING TO THE MAN, UH, AND MIKE, UH, UH, YOU UH, MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE PERSON WHO'S LIVING IN THE HOME, THE ELDERLY PERSON IS GOING TO TAKE OUT THE LOAN TO INVEST $150,000.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PAYOUT IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THAT WEIGHT? YEAH, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A, A PERSON WHO'S TRYING TO CREATE HOUSING FOR A, THEIR YOUNG COUPLE, THEIR KIDS, THEIR KIDS MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO TAKE OUT A MORTGAGE FOR 150 OR $200,000, BUT THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE OUT A MORTGAGE FOR $500,000.
SO THAT CHILD WILL FINANCE THE BUILDING OF THAT ACCESSORY UNIT.
THE PARENT COULD LIVE IN THAT ACCESSORY UNIT AND THAT YOUNG FAMILY WITH THEIR KIDS COULD MOVE INTO THE LARGER THE MENU.
AND THAT WOULD MAKE PERFECTLY FINANCIAL SENSE TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT IN THAT PROPERTY.
SO YOU HAVE CASES LIKE THAT, THAT WILL MAKE TOTAL SENSE AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GENERATE THE 152, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT IN REFERENCE TO THE COMP PLAN AND ONE FAMILY ZONE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN THE SAME WAY WE WOULD LOOK AT OUR CONSTITUTION OR WE WOULD LOOK AT THE BIDEN.
YOU COULD TAKE ONE SENTENCE OR ONE PARAGRAPH, ISOLATE A PARAGRAPH, AND IT WILL STATE A CONDITION.
AND IF YOU ONLY FOCUS ON THAT PARAGRAPH AND THAT CONDITION, YES.
BUT IF YOU GO TO ANOTHER SECTION, YOU'LL FIND LANGUAGE THAT MODIFIES THAT, WHAT YOU SAW IN THAT FIRST SECTION.
AND I, AND JOHAN ALLUDED TO THAT WHEN HE TALKED, WHEN, UH, HE TALKED ABOUT OTHER, UH, PARTS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE, UH, WE TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE HOUSING FOR ALL INCOME GROUPS IN THE TOWN.
UH, AND, AND, AND PEOPLE AGENT IN PLACE.
SO, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT LOOK AT ONE FAMILY ZONE AS AN ABSOLUTE.
IT SAID YOU HAVE TO MOD, YOU ALSO HAVE TO SIMULTANEOUSLY BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE OTHER FACTORS AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.
GOOD TO TOM HAD ONE LAST POINT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WRAP IT UP.
HAVE A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS WE NEED TO DO.
VERY QUICKLY, UH, READING THROUGH THIS, I ALSO FELT IT'S NOT LIKELY WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN COMPLY WITH THIS.
AT LEAST NOT IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT THE SOLUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT A BIG THING.
AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT A LOT, THREE TO FIVE PEOPLE HERE, IT'S SOMETHING WE ARE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE MANY TOOLS TO USE.
I, UM, I JUST WANT TO DO A LITTLE, JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING
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HERE.WHEN, OH, DO WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD? UH, BY, IT WAS FEBRUARY 16TH, RIGHT? IT WAS REFERRED ON DECEMBER.
WHAT I'D SUGGEST IS THAT WE HOLD THIS OVER AND HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE DONE YET.
I THINK WE GET IN CLOSER, BY THE WAY.
GREAT, GREAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT FROM EVERYBODY.
I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY ABOUT EVERYTHING WE DID TONIGHT I THINK WAS TERRIFIC.
ALL THE QUESTIONS CHALLENGING.
SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD, GOOD HEALTHY DISCUSSION.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL HOLD IT OVER TILL THEN.
WE STILL, WE CAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE GUTS OF AT LEAST PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE'LL GO THROUGH ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE KIND OF MAYBE WANT TO TWEAK.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, TOM, I KNOW YOU'LL BE AWAY, BUT YOU'LL BE ON ZOOM.
CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THE SECTION WHICH GIVES US DISCRETION, YOU KNOW, TO DENY AN APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE FILLED OUT.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
AMANDA AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE MORE SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND THE BETTER OFF WE ARE, THE LESS DISCRETION WE HAVE.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT ON THAT.
BUT WE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD FILL OUT THE NEXT TIME.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET ENOUGH MEAT THAT, THAT AARON CAN DRAFT A RECOMMENDATION AFTER THAT MEETING.
I DON'T THINK, I MEAN PART OF IT CAN DRAFT NOW OBVIOUSLY FROM WHAT WE, THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO, WE'LL PROBABLY VOTE ON ON THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY AND IT'LL BE BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD IN TIME FOR THE 16TH.
I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT FOR WALTER.
BUT I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING I WILL HAVE THOROUGHLY CONSULTED THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BIBLE.
FAR FURTHER COMMENTING ON THE A DU LAW.
ONE LAST THING, JUST THE TIMELINE.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS ACTUALLY IN THREE WEEKS.
WHICH IS ON FEBRUARY 7TH BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE WEDNESDAYS IN JANUARY.
SO WE MAY NEED AN OUR SECOND DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE.
THE SECOND MEETING'S ON 20 MAY BE THE 21ST.
SO WE, LET'S SEE HOW KEEP LINE AND SEE HOW THINGS GO.
'CAUSE WE COULD ALMOST DO, YOU COULD PRE-WRITE UP SOMETHING AND WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
I THINK WE'RE NOT CLOSE THAT CLOSE YET.
PROBABLY NOT, NOT SO WE MAY HAVE TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
WE'LL DO THAT THE NEXT MEETING.
WOULD IF I, OKAY, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A PRELIMINARY DRAFT FOR THE NEXT MEETING OR ARE WE WAITING FOR THE MEETING? NO, WE'RE NOT READY YET.
NOW STAFF WILL BEGIN PREPARING THE BONES OF A DRAFT, BUT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION TO DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD TO KIND OF FLESH IT OUT INTO A FULL DRAFT.
WELL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION.
THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE AGREED TO TONIGHT THAT AARON CAN START DRAFTING AND THEN WE WILL FINISH HOPEFULLY THE DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE NEED TO REALLY PUT ASIDE PROBABLY 90 MINUTES FOR THAT.
SO WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL OF SCHEDULE, WE'LL DISCUSS.
AND THEN, THEN WE WILL ASK FOR AN EXTENSION AND VOTE ON THE 21ST.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY.