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PROGRESS.[ DRAFT TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, February 21, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVERYBODY.GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 21ST PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, MATT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLES? OF COURSE, PLEASE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. HAY, MR. GOLDEN, MS. DAVIS AND MR. SNAGS ARE ABSENT THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, MR. SPARKS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER, MR. R RESULT.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? I HAVE ONE COMMENT ON PAGE THREE AFTER THE FIRST PARAGRAPH.
UH, WE DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS, UH, IN THE APPLICATION FOR REGENERON, THERE'S WORDING IN THE APPLICATION THAT THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS, UH, UM, ANY TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UH, WHAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
AND I SPECIFICALLY INDICATED, UH, IF, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE WORDS IT SAYS AS THE NEW BUILDING COMES ONLINE.
IS THIS PAGE THREE PARAGRAPH? WHAT? THE FIRST PARAGRAPH? OH, FIRST, I'M SORRY.
AS THE NEW BUILDING COME ONLINE AND ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONCERNS AS PER CONDITIONS, UH, CONTAINED IN THE, UH, APPROVAL APPLICATION THAT WE SAID IT IS, BUT WE WANTED PLACE THAT EXTRA EMPHASIS RIGHT IN THE RECORD, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE? COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN? FULL MOVE OF A SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED AND NO, NOBODY ON ZOOM TO, TO VOTE TO VOTE TONIGHT.
THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE, ONE OF WHICH WAS FROM GARRETT ABOUT, AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN CIRCULATED ABOUT, UH, ENDORSING, UH, THE PLAINTIFF BOARD SENDING A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION ENDORSING, UM, THE GRANT FOR, UH, IMPROVING ONE 19.
UM, EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO IS POSITIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THAT CORRECT? I THINK, UM, CAN I, WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL VOTE AND I, I HAVE A LETTER HERE THAT I'LL SIGN ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
ARE WE AT, THEY WANT AN EXTENSION.
THIS IS THEIR FIRST, RIGHT? YES.
SO THIS IS THEIR FIRST EXTENSION FOR CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH 20, UH, ELMWOOD PRESERVE.
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING A 180 DAY EXTENSION OF THEIR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
AND THIS HAS TO DO A LOT WITH THE DIRT AND STUFF THAT HAD TO BE DISPOSED OF.
CORRECT? HE'S ADDRESSING ALL THE CONDITIONS OF THAT, UH, APPROVAL.
FIRST CAN I, NOW IT'S NON PROTON, IT WARRANT IT BACK TO, UH, SO THIS WOULD BE NON PROTON TWO FEBRUARY 13TH.
SO WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH? BUT THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S ONLY SIX DAYS.
THE MOTION IS TO GRANT THE EXTENSION FOR 180 DAYS FROM FEBRUARY 13TH, 2024.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG REGENERON, WE HAVE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4 VOTES.
RIGHT? SEEKER WAS DONE ON THIS, RIGHT? NO.
SO THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SITE PLAN REFERRAL.
DID THEY DO SEE, DID, DID THE HOW DO SEEKER YET? UM, DON'T THINK SO.
DON'T, SO, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO SEEKER ON A RECOMMENDATION? NO.
I SEE SOMEBODY FROM, FROM THE GOOD OLD FIRM OF Z AND STEIN SITTING THERE GOING YES.
I THINK DAVID STEINMAN SAID HE JUST GOT REGENERON.
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ON A RECOMMENDATION.UM, I, TO ME IT SHOULD BE, I, I BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, OR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SITE PLAN BACK TO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I JUST, I I'M A FAVOR OF POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
ARE THERE, THERE THERE'S SOME NOTES ON THAT THAT YOU WANNA CHANGE? SURE.
UH, THE SAME ISSUE THAT I RAISED BEFORE.
I SAID IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, EVEN THOUGH REGENERON IS OBLIGATED TO ADJUST THE TRAFFIC, AND WE SAID THAT, I SAID IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE SHOULD AGAIN NOTE THAT.
UH, WHERE IS IT NOTED? SO IN THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, IT STATES THAT THE PLANNING BOARD FURTHER RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONCERNS RAISED BY THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT RELATED TO THE FOLLOWING TWO TRUCK TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS.
THAT WAS LEFT TURNS ONTO OLD SELMA RIVER ROAD FROM NEW YORK STATE ROUTE NINE, A NORTHBOUND AND LEFT TURNS ONTO GRASSLANDS ROAD, NEW YORK STATE 100 C FROM THE ROUTE NINE, A NORTHBOUND RAMP.
ANY TRAFFIC RELATED IMPROVEMENTS DEEMED NECESSARY TO ADDRESS SUCH CONCERNS SHOULD BE CONDITIONED AS PART OF ANY PROJECT APPROVAL BY THE TOWN BOARD.
THERE IS, THEY POINT OUT TWO CONCERNS, BUT THERE IS A THIRD CONCERN.
IF YOU ARE TRAVELING SOUTH ON NINE A AND YOU GET TO THAT GAS STATION, YOU HAVE TO, IT, IT, IT IS LIKE A V SHAPE.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, IT'S A VERY SHARP RIGHT.
UH, JUST NOTHING WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING THAT IS A CONCERN.
THAT SHOULD BE HOW ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED TO MR. CANNINGS HERE, HE COULD EVEN CHIME IN ON THIS IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT ANYWAY, BECAUSE OF THE LEFT MM-HMM.
BUT I, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT IT, THAT'S STILL, THAT IS A, A MAJOR CONCERN.
JUST COULD YOU ADD THAT TO ESPECIALLY, UH, COMING FROM HOME DEPOT TO MAKE THAT TURN.
I HAD TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TRY SLOW DOWN TO ABOUT 15 MILES AN HOUR AND THERE WAS A BIG 22 WHEEL, IT JUST HAD TO PUT ON MY FLASHES.
SO WE CAN ADD, UM, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES ARE EXPLORED FOR VEHICLES TRAVELING, TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND ON NINE.
IT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED ANYWAY.
I, I DISCUSSED THAT JUST BE BECAUSE OF THE DANGER OF THE LEFT TURN.
SO I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GIVE THIS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE AS AMEN AS AMENDED.
NOW THE GUYS ARE GONNA TAKE UP ALL THE TIME, RIGHT?
UM, AND THERE'S REALLY ONE ISSUE THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT.
THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I DO WANT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT, 'CAUSE IT, IT OCCURRED, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT ENDED UP FOR OUR PACKET THIS TIME, BUT IT DID.
UM, WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE, UH, THE VARIANCES.
THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, 12 TOTAL.
NO ONE OF THEM'S A WAIVER, CORRECT.
THERE WERE 12, THERE WERE 12 TO THE ZONING BOARD.
ALL AREA VARI VARIANCES AND ONE HEIGHT VARIANCE FOR THE LIGHTING.
EXCUSE ME, I'M JUST GONNA EXCUSE MYSELF AND JOE IS GONNA STEP ON ZOOM.
I JUST SENT HIM A MESSAGE TO THAT, UH, HE NEVER THOUGHT WE'D BE HERE EARLY THE TIME.
FORGET HOW EFFICIENT WE ARE, DOESN'T HE? YES.
AND YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN IT TO A PUBLIC WHY SHE'S LEAVING.
UH, AMANDA, UH, HAS RECUSED HERSELF FOR THIS BECAUSE SHE WORKED ON A PROJECT FOR THIS CORPORATION WHEN BEFORE SHE CAME TO GREENBURG.
SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S RECUSED HERSELF.
AND OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, UH, JOE DANKO WILL BE JOINING US SHORTLY, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE.
ALL, ALL I'M SAYING IS WE, ARE WE NEED, BESIDES DOING ALL THE OTHER WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.
THE NEXT STEP FROM HERE IS GONNA BE GO FOR US TO WRITE A RECORD TO DO SEEKER.
THAT'S ONE THING WE NEED TO DO.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T DO IN A PARTICULAR ZONING BOARD IF WE DON'T DO SEEKER.
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SO WE'LL DO SEEKER AND THEN WE'LL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, UM, ON THE 12 VARIANCES.THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY HAVEN'T DISCUSSED INTERNALLY YET.
YOU KNOW, THOSE, THE VARIANCES AND THEY, WELL, AND WE DID APPLY TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, UM, PER THE RECOMMENDATION AT OUR LAST MEETING.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY, THEY, WE HAVE A, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN THE CODE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE ZONING BOARD FOR, I DON'T KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS NOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TIME FLIES, UH, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO US AND SAID THEY WANT OUR OPINION ON THINGS THAT INVOLVE BOTH BOARDS.
SO WE DO, THEY SOMETIMES THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LISTEN TO US.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR CALL, NOT OURS, OBVIOUSLY, ON THESE VARIANCES, BUT THEY DO LIKE TO GET OUR PERSPECTIVE.
THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY WHERE VARIANCES WITHOUT THE VARIANCES, THE PROJECT WOULD STILL BE LEGAL, BUT NOT AS GOOD AS WITH THE VARIANCES.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE NORMALLY GIVE A POSITIVE VARIANCE.
AND, AND SOMETIMES WE JUST GIVE A NEUTRAL BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THEIR AREA TO DECIDE, NOT OURS.
SO WE, WE TRY TO BALANCE OURSELVES IN TERMS OF THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS ON BOARD.
I THINK WE'RE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE THING WE SHOULD FOCUS ON FIRST TONIGHT IS THE WORK, THE HOMEWORK WE SENT YOU AWAY WITH.
UM, I, I LOOKED AT IT, I'VE GOT MY OPINION OF IT.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT MR. CANNING HAS TO SAY.
I KNOW WALTER HAS, UH, A CONCERN ABOUT O TOO, SO WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU HAD SENT US BEFORE, THAT'S FINE.
AND RELATIVE TO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD.
SO WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO PHIL GREELEY, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
PHILIP GREELEY, COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.
UH, SO AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, UH, THE BOARD HAD REQUESTED, UH, TO ADD TO THE INFORMATION WE SUBMITTED IN OCTOBER FOR, UH, FOR EXISTING SITES THAT HAVE THE DUAL CONFIGURATION, UH, THAT THE ORIGINAL DATA WAS FOR HENRIETTA, NEW YORK, UH, CLAY, NEW YORK, BUCKLAND HILLS, CONNECTICUT, AND EDISON, NEW JERSEY.
UH, IN, UH, JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, UH, WE, UH, SAMPLED FOUR ADDITIONAL SITES.
HACKENSACK, NEW JERSEY, WOODBRIDGE, NEW JERSEY, UH, UH, SITE NEAR ROCHESTER, AROUND THE QUAD AND, UH, LEVITTOWN LONG ISLAND.
UH, THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED, UH, LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC FLOWS AT THE DRIVE THROUGHS AT EACH OF THOSE FACILITIES, AND EACH OF THOSE FACILITIES HAVE THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE.
WE INCLUDED COPIES OF THE INDIVIDUAL SITE PLANS.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLANS.
EACH LOCATION IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF, UH, THE PARKING LAYOUT ADJACENT TO THOSE AREAS, BUT THEY HAVE THE CONTINUOUS DUAL, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH LANES.
UH, WE DOCUMENTED AND SUMMARIZED, UH, THE DATA, THE, THE DATA WAS COLLECTED IN JANUARY.
UH, WE DID, UH, A WEEKDAY THURSDAY, AND WE ALSO DID A SATURDAY.
THE HOURS FROM 11:00 AM TO 2:00 PM UH, THE SURVEYS AT HACKENSACK, WE ACTUALLY, UH, SO THE, THE DATA WAS COLLECTED THURSDAY, UH, THE 18TH, UH, AT ALL FOUR LOCATIONS AND SATURDAY, UH, THE 20TH AT THREE OF THE LOCATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, THE HACKENSACK, UH, LOCATION, WE ACTUALLY HAD A COUNT ON, UH, JANUARY 27TH, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER SATURDAY.
NO, NO OTHER CONDITIONS IN ANY CASE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE WEATHER CONDITIONS, UM, ON THE SATURDAY THE 20TH WAS, WAS COLD WEATHER, BUT CLEAR.
THE ONLY LOCATION WHERE WE HAD SOME LIGHT SNOW WAS IN THE ROCHESTER LOCATION, WHICH AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR,
NO, IT DIDN'T SURPRISE US, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO AFFECT, UH, WE NEEDED THE INFORMATION TO, TO EFFECT ANYBODY UP THERE, I THINK.
AND, AND, UH, JUST SO, SO THE BOARD KNOWS.
SO THE, THE DATA COLLECTION IS DONE.
UH, WE, WE SET UP VIDEO CAMERAS SO WE CAN OBSERVE AND ACTUALLY THE DATA GETS, YOU KNOW, SUMMARIZED PRETTY AUTOMATICALLY, BUT WE GET TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
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KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE DATA COLLECTION IS DONE AT EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS.SO JUST, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, UM, THE PEAK CONDITIONS THAT WE OBSERVED, AND WE SUMMARIZED THEM BY 15 MINUTE PERIODS, UH, IN, IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, TO YOU, UH, UH, TOGETHER WITH THE, THE, THE VARIOUS BACKUP AND, AND SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING, OF COURSE.
SO THAT'S ALL IN THE FEBRUARY 7TH, UH, SUBMISSION.
SO IN TERMS OF, UH, EACH SITE WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE LEVELS OF QUEUING AND, UM, THE, THE PEAK CUES.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE CUES TYPICALLY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM THE HIGH TEENS UP TO THE HIGH TWENTIES.
AND WE HAD ON A SATURDAY, I THINK WE WERE AT 31, UH, VEHICLES QUEUED.
UH, BUT, UH, IN, IN, IN THE PEAK TIMES, USUALLY IN THE HIGH 20 RANGE IS WHAT IS WHAT WE SAW.
UH, NOW WHAT WAS INTERESTING IN, UH, THE, THE HIGHEST, UH, OBSERVATION WASN'T ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, APPRO IN, IN THE ONE HOUR PERIOD.
SO WE HAD 31 VEHICLES, AND I THINK IN THAT HOUR PERIOD, WE HAD ABOUT 96 VEHICLES USING THE DRIVE THROUGH AT THAT LOCATION.
I, I SAW, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, HACKENSACK KIND OF THREW ME BECAUSE WHEN THIS WAS ON, ON THE SATURDAY, YES.
1 45 TO TWO, TWO, WHICH I WOULD NOT, NOT HAVE EXPECTED TO HAVE THE MOST, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW IT AGAIN.
SO IT, SO IT ACTUALLY DIDN'T INCREASE THE QUEUING DURING THAT PERIOD, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.
SO, UH, AT, AND, AND I'LL DO WHAT MY SYNOPSIS OF THAT COMPARED TO LEVITTOWN.
SO THERE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE PROCESSING, THE, THE DUAL LANE WAS VERY EFFICIENT PROCESSING IN LEVITTOWN.
UM, ON THE WEEKDAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WOULD GO FROM A SINGLE TO A DUAL AND IT, IT DIDN'T ALWAYS OPERATE AS A DUAL FACILITY JUST OUT OF THE LOADING.
AND THEN WHEN IT GOT PEAK, IT, IT THEN WENT TO THE, THE DUAL FACILITY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT VOLUMES AND THE QUEUES, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE RANGE OF VOLUMES THAT WE SAW WERE SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS FOUR LOCATIONS WE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF THE PEAKING, BUT THE ACTUAL QUEUING AT EACH LOCATION WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
AND HACKENSACK, YOU KNOW, FROM MY LOOKING AT THE VIDEOS IN THAT PEAK TIME PERIOD WAS VERY EFFICIENT, VERY EFFICIENT.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A HIGHER VOLUME, THE FLOW, UH, THE, THE QUEUE WAS, WAS KEPT TO A MINIMUM THERE.
UM, SO I, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE DATA AND, AND VIEWING THIS AND, AND OPERATIONALLY, YOU KNOW, I, YOU SEE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY AT THESE LOCATIONS, THE HIGH 20, YOU KNOW, STACKING PEOPLE WILL WAIT THAT LONG TO, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEIR FOOD.
UH, WE GET INTO THAT 30 RANGE AND THE PREVIOUS DATA WE HAD PROVIDED IN OCTOBER, YOU HAD THAT SAME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTION.
ALTHOUGH WE HAD ONE LOCATION BACK IN OCTOBER THAT WAS 40 VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE, THERE WERE A COUPLE HOURS ONE TIME HERE, LIKE 41 AND STUFF.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT WAIT TIME.
'CAUSE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED WAIT TIME, IT WAS FROM THE TIME THEY SAW THEM GOT TO ORDER TO THE TIME THEY GOT THE FOOD.
HOW MANY CARS MOVE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, HOW MANY MINUTES IT TAKE FOR THE, THE CAR TO MOVE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH? DO YOU THINK? I'M TRYING TO D THREE FOUR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, IT WAS PROBABLY IN THAT RANGE.
I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL PROCESS, BUT WE DIDN'T DO A SUMMARY OF THAT.
THE ONE THING I, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF YOU HAVE 20 CARDS IN LINE MM-HMM.
I FORGET THE NUMBER 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN AN NQSR MAGAZINE.
UM, WOULD, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE NUMBER IS THREE TIMES THE NUMBER? I KNOW IT'S TWO DRIVE THROUGH, SO IT'D BE THREE TIMES 10, THE 20 IN THE, IN THE QUEUE.
BE BECAUSE, AND WITH THE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS, THE ONE THING THAT I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE, AND I, AGAIN, I I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHAT THE AVERAGES WERE, BUT WE WOULD SEE TIMES WHERE THE ONE DRIVE
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THROUGH WOULD BE FASTER THAN THE OTHER AND VICE VERSA.SO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE TWO ACTUALLY REALLY HELPS IN TERMS OF THAT EFFICIENCY FROM WHAT I COULD SEE.
WALTER HAD A, I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING JUST COME TO THE MIC WHEN YOU DO IT AND THEN I WANT TO, WALTER HAS SOMETHING THEN MR. CANNING, I SEE YOUR HAND.
JOHN, TIM WITH BOWLER JUST ONE PIECE THAT ADDS TO THAT CALCULATION.
I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIRECT CALCULATION THAT YOU CAN MAKE.
'CAUSE THE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING IN GROUPS OF SIX.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN PREP SIX MEALS IN THE KITCHEN AT ONE TIME.
YOU'VE GOT SIX CARS GETTING THEIR MEALS, YOU KNOW, ONE AFTER ANOTHER.
YOU GOT, SO THE FIRST SIX CARS ARE GETTING THEIR MEALS.
THE NEXT SIX CARS BEHIND THEM ARE WAITING FOR THEIR FOOD, AND THE NEXT SIX CARS BEHIND THEM ARE ALL TAKING ORDER.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE WORKS IN GROUPS OF SIXES.
SO THE FIRST ONE I'M, I'LL TELL YOU THOUGH, I AM KIND OF BLOWN AWAY, TO BE HONEST, AS SOMEBODY WHO, WHO IS A STUDENT OF THIS STUFF AND ACTUALLY DID VERY WELL IN OPERATIONS RESEARCH WHEN I WAS IN GRAD SCHOOL.
AND NO QUEUING THEORY THAT YOU, THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A MEASURE OF THE WAITING TIME, THE TOTAL WAITING TIME.
AND THE WAITING TIME IS, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU MAKE AND WHETHER YOU USE ONE LANE OR TWO LANE, THAT'S NOT A, AN ISSUE FOR ME.
MY SINGLE ISSUE IS THAT I DON'T WANT A BACKUP ONTO THE STREET.
NOW, HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT IN, UH, INTERNALLY? I'M REALLY NOT THAT CONCERNED.
NOW IF, AND THAT'S IN OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS KEY.
IF I TOOK A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS.
IF YOU COULD SOLVE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THEN ALL THE OTHERS, RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, SO I TOOK THE HACKENSACK ON SATURDAY.
AND SO DURING THAT ONE HOUR PERIOD IS 123 VEHICLES CORRECT.
IF WE, I CALCULATE THAT YOU HAVE 88 SPACES, IS THAT CORRECT? OR YOU IT'S ONE, IT'S ONE 112.
HOW DO YOU GET TO 112? YOU FORGOT THE ONES IN WHITE PLAINS, HUH? THE ONES, NO, NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE, THESE, THESE ARE NOT FOR CUSTOMERS.
THEY CAN BE, UH, WAS THAT THE PLAN TO CUSTOMER? WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.
LET'S, IS THE PLAN TO USE THESE SPACES FOR CUSTOMERS? THE, THE, IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE INDICATE THAT IF THERE WAS A SURGE, THAT IT WOULD BE AN AREA THAT COULD BE USED FOR CUSTOMER PICKUP, NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY PARKING.
UH, SO, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE BELTS AND SUSPENDERS.
SO
THEN WE, UH, WITH THE DUAL ONE WAY SYSTEM USING THAT AISLE ON THE WEST SIDE, WE PICK UP ANOTHER 14 RIGHT SPACES THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE.
SO WE'RE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 47 AND 54 VEHICLES GOING TO THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE ON THE PLAN.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
LET ME, YOU SHOW YOU HOW I CALCULATE AND YOU TELL ME IF IT MAKES SENSE.
LOOK AT THE, THE SPACES IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU, YOU ADD THAT UP, YOU ADD UP THE THREE SPACES THAT YOU HAVE CARS COMING IN THREE SPACES, AND I CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF 88.
NOW, IF THAT'S 88 SPACES, YOU HAVE CORRECT.
IF YOU HAVE 123 CARS COMING IN, IN ONE HOUR, THAT MEANS SOMEWHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 35 CARS LEAVING THE SITE.
YOU PROBABLY NEED MORE THAN THE 35, BUT AT MINIMUM, THAT'D ASSUME THAT THE CARS WILL COME IN AT THE SAME RATE.
SO AT MINIMUM, YOU NEED 35 CARS HAVE TO LEAVE THE SITE.
THE, THE TIME IN THE, ON THE SITE IS
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CRITICAL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GETTING A MINIMUM OF 35 CARS LEAVING THE SITE DURING THE PEAK TIME.IF YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT, 35 CARS LEAVING THE SITE, THEY'RE ON THE STREET.
SO IN TERMS OF, IN LOOKING AT THIS DATA, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXITING TRIPS HERE, BUT, UH, IN EACH OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE PEAK HOUR, YOU HAVE VERY CLOSE TO THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ENTERING, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES EXITING.
SO YOUR MATH IS ALL CORRECT, BUT THERE ARE MORE THAN 35 VEHICLES LEAVING THE SITE IN AN HOUR.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A ONE TO ONE.
UH, ALTHOUGH IN THE PEAK TIME, IF YOU HAVE 123 ENTERING, YOU MAY HAVE 110 EXITING.
SO IT'S, IT'S A CONSTANT MOVEMENT.
IF YOU HAD PEAK 123 COMING IN AND THEY'RE STAYING FOR A DURATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT GETTING AT LEAST THAT 35 CARS EXITING, WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE.
THAT'S WHY I NOT DOUBTING YOUR WORD.
BUT YOU NEED TO, WASN'T THAT REAGAN INSTEAD ACCEPT OR BELIEVE, BUT VERIFY OR SOMETHING? MM-HMM.
I NEED, YOU NEED TO VERIFY MM-HMM.
SO CARS DON'T RUN INTO THE YES.
SO IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, WE SHOW FOR EACH OF THE TOP, FOR EACH OF THE TIME PERIODS, THE ENTERING AND EXITING FLOW.
AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE ANALYZED IN OUR TRAFFIC REPORT, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO, UH, DURING THE LUNCHTIME TIME PERIOD ON THE SATURDAY CONDITION, AND I'M REFERRING TO TABLE ONE R FROM THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY FROM LAST MAY.
SO IN A ONE HOUR PERIOD, WE ANALYZED 163 VEHICLES EXITING, UH, ENTERING THE SITE, AND 162 EXITING THE SITE.
THAT'S AN HOUR, THAT'S IN, IN A ONE HOUR PERIOD.
SO, OH, SO YOU, YOU HAVE THAT'S WHAT WE ANALYZED, NOT FOR THE, THE, THEY DIDN'T DO IT FOR THE THESE OH, FOR THE FIRST FOUR.
AND, AND FRANKLY, THIS, LOOK, THESE, THESE NUMBERS, LOOK, I WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. DEC CANNING ON THIS.
BUT YOU KNOW, MY, MY UNTRAINED EYES SAYS THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THAT'S, THAT WAS OUR CONCLUSION.
THERE WAS NOTHING THAT POPPED OUT THAT SAID, UH, THE ROCHESTER LOCATION WITH THE LIGHT SNOW, THE NUMBERS WERE, WERE LOW COMPARED TO THE OTHER LOCATIONS.
BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT JUMPED OUT THAT SAID, THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FOUR THAT WE ALREADY GAVE YOU.
UH, SO, BUT IN TERMS OF A ONE HOUR PEAK PERIOD, WE ANALYZED IT WITH THE ENTERING AND EXIT TRAFFIC, DO IT MATHEMATICS, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CARS YOU TURN, TURN THROUGH THE ORDER THING, HOW LONG IT TAKES.
SO YOU ACTUALLY COULD BACK INTO AN AVERAGE NUMBER TOO FROM, FROM THAT DATA.
THAT'S PROBABLY HOW YOU GET TO THAT NUMBER FOR TRANSACTIONS.
YOU COULD BACK, YOU COULD BACK INTO THAT NUMBER.
AND YOU, I THINK, AND YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE, ARE, UH, THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND OR ARE INTERNAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO THE, THE THING THAT KEEPS THE THING GOING MORE THAN ANYTHING IS PROBABLY THE DRIVE THROUGH, BECAUSE CORRECT.
WELL, THEY'RE SITTING THERE, BUT THEY'RE SITTING IN THEIR CAR.
JOHN JOHN'S BEEN WAITING A, A LONG TIME.
SO ID SURE LIKE TO HEAR FROM, BECAUSE I, I, I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE DATA.
IF YOU COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT EXIT DATA AND, AND SHOW IT TO HIM.
JOHN'S JOHNSON WAITING THEN, THEN YOU, CORRECT.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, SO I REVIEWED THE MATERIALS PROVIDED, AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE QUEUING DATA WAS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED FOUR LOCATIONS.
INTERESTINGLY, IT HAD LESS TRAFFIC THAN, UH, THAN THEY HAD AT HACKENSACK.
SO IT SHOWS THAT HACKENSACK WAS MORE EFFICIENT, BUT STILL THE MAXIMUM QUEUE WAS 31.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THEY PROVIDED MATERIALS FROM FOUR OTHER SITES.
ONE OF THEM ONCE GOT UP TO 41, BUT THE OTHERS WERE ALL LOWER THAN 31.
SO IT APPEARS TO ME YOU REQUESTED ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.
THEY PROVIDED ADDITIONAL MATERIALS, AND IT SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, UH, THEY
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HAD PROVIDED BEFORE.UH, TO GIVE YOU SORT OF MY TAKE ON IT, JUST LIKE WALTER HAS HIS TAKE ON IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL EVALUATION OF WHEN YOU GO INTO, WHEN YOU GO OUT, BUT IT'S A DUAL SYSTEM.
SO IF IT'S A DUAL SYSTEM, YOU TAKE YOUR 31 AND DIVIDE IT BY TWO.
THERE'S 16 GOING INTO EACH SYSTEM.
AND IF YOU USE THE THEORY THAT A CHAIN IS AS STRONG AS ITS WEAKEST LINK AND YOU FLIP IT OVER TO QUEUING AND YOU SAY THAT THE DELAY IS AS LONG AS YOUR LONGEST PROCESS BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A BUNCH OF STUFF, YOU'RE MAKING YOUR ORDER, YOU'RE UH, YOU'RE PAYING, YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR ORDER, WHATEVER THAT IS, LET'S ASSUME FOR NOW, RIGHT, THAT IT TAKES ONE MINUTE TO DO THE LONGEST THING.
SO IF IT TAKES YOU ONE MINUTE TO ORDER ON AVERAGE OR ONE MINUTE TO PICK UP ON AVERAGE, 'CAUSE ALL OF THESE ACTIVITIES ARE OCCURRING SIMULTANEOUSLY OR ONE MINUTE TO PULL UP, IF YOU JOIN THE BACK OF THE QUEUE WHEN THERE'S 16 VEHICLES THERE, THEN 16 TIMES ONE MEANS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT 16 MINUTES TO GET TO THE FRONT.
IF THE, IF THE, IF THE LONGEST ACTIVITY TAKES ONE MINUTE AND THERE'S 16 PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU, ON AVERAGE IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU 16 MINUTES.
IF IT TAKES TWO MINUTES, WHICH IS PROBABLY A LONG TIME, UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU 30 MINUTES.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY'S GONNA WAIT 30 MINUTES NO MATTER HOW GOOD SHE, UNLESS THEY'RE GIVING OUT THOSE HAPPY MEALS THAT THEY GAVE OUT A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CHAIN, I BELIEVE JOHN THAT DID HAPPY.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT TOO, I THINK AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT, SO MY POINT IS, I, THE DATA IS CONSISTENT.
THE DELAY AVERAGES JUST SEEM REASONABLE TO WHAT, UH, PEOPLE WOULD DO.
WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE ALMOST 50 VEHICLES WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT THE VEHICLES DON'T ALWAYS STACK UP END TO END TO END.
THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN HERE AND THERE, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE 50 VEHICLES.
UM, SO ALL OF THIS SEEMS TO BE ALIGNING WITH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH BEFORE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF, I GUESS, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE, UM, AND PHIL MENTIONED THIS, UH, DR.
GREELEY MENTIONED THIS, THAT THERE IS THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE PICKUP IN THE EAST WHITE PLAINS PARKING LOT IF NEEDED.
MY QUESTION RE REALLY IS HOW I DON'T NEC I KNOW, UH, DR.
GR HAS SAID IT'S A BELT AND SUSPENDERS.
I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS IN BECAUSE WE HAVE THE WEST SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DRIVE AISLE, WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN RUN JUST, UH, QUEUING THERE, NOT HAVE THE PARKING THERE AND JUST EXTEND THE QUEUING THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS.
GREELEY WANTS TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU WOULD HAVE PICK UP IN THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, AS WELL AS HAVING PICKUP OVER IN THE PARKING LOT TO THE, TO THE EAST, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN.
SO, SO THE, THE POINT IN THAT IS SPELLED OUT IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, UH, PROGRAM, IS THAT WE HAVE THE TEAM MEMBERS THAT WOULD USE THE AREA THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, JOHN THE WEST SIDE, AND WE CAN STACK THAT 50 PLUS VEHICLES.
UH, IF THERE WAS A CONDITION WHERE THAT QUEUE STARTED TO DEVELOP BEYOND THE 50, YEAH.
WE HAVE THE TEAM MEMBER THAT COULD DIRECT SOMEONE FROM THE LINE TO MOVE IT ALONG TO PULL INTO THE PARKING AREA.
'CAUSE WE HAVE AN ENTRY AND AN EXIT DRIVEWAY THERE.
AND IF THERE, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE BACKUP, THAT WOULD BE THE AREA THAT COULD BE USED.
SO, BUT WHAT IF IT'S OFF? WHAT IF IT'S OPPOSITE THAT? WHAT IF THE, THIS IS TO WALTER'S POINT.
SEE, I I, WHEN I THINK OF THE BACK PARKING LOT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE AT ANY ONE TIME, 10 TO 15 SPACES EMPTY BACK.
NOT ALL, EXCEPT WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THE, THE ROLLOVER.
THEY'RE NOT COMING BY CAR EITHER.
SO LET'S SAY THERE'S 10, 10 SPACES BACK THERE, CONSERVATIVELY, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED YOU, YOU'RE NOT USING IT FOR PARKING OVERFLOW INSTEAD OF PICKUP.
'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE THE OPPOSITE SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY A WHOLE BUNCH OF SPACES TO DO THE QUEUING AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO INTO THE RESTAURANT HAVE NO PLACE TO PARK.
THAT, TO ME, I THOUGHT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WERE GETTING AT BEFORE.
I, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF YOU COULD USE IT FOR PARKING IF THE OTHER AREA'S BEING USED FOR QUEUING.
JOHN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M, I'M TALKING, UH, AND I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO JOHN ALSO.
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SO WE HAVE A LOT OF LEVERS HERE TO MAKE THIS WORK.UH, I I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WILL BE THE FIRST MONTH OF OPERATION WHEN MM-HMM.
UM, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A PLAN TO MANAGE THAT, AND THE LATEST MATERIAL SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SAID THAT THEY WOULD COMMIT TO CONTINUING TO USE THE, THE PLAN IF IT WAS NEEDED.
IF THE NOVELTY DOESN'T WEAR OFF, THEY'LL JUST KEEP, KEEP DOING IT.
WHICH IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS ANYWAY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO SELL MORE PRODUCT TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK SOMETIME AFTER THEIR APPROVAL.
UM, MAYBE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE TOWN OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE.
BUT THEY WOULD COME BACK AND INDICATE DRIVEWAY COUNTS, PARKING COUNTS, AND QUEING COUNTS SO THAT YOU COULD OPTIMIZE AND PULL WHATEVER LEVERS YOU NEED TO, TO MAKE THE SITE WORK AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, BUT JOHN, THAT'S SPEAKING OF THE MIC.
BUT THAT'S AFTER THE FACT, THAT'S AFTER THE APPLICANT HAD MADE AN INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY.
AND WE FIND THAT THERE'S, UH, THEN AT WHAT, WHAT IS OUR PRACTICAL, PRACTICAL SOLUTION, WE ARE NOT GONNA TELL THE APPLICANT TO SHUT DOWN THE BUSINESS.
OH NO, MR. UH, UH, MR. UH, SIMON.
THE REASON I'M SUGGESTING IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ALTERNATE MEANS OF DEALING WITH, UH, OPERATIONS.
IT MAY BE THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS BUSIER THAN WE EXPECTED.
IT MAY BE THAT THE PARKING IS BUSIER THAN WE WE EXPECTED.
WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN SET UP RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE, WITH PARKING ON, UH, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE APPROACH TO THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND SO, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE ANTICIPATED NEED IS.
YOU'LL HAVE, I THINK IT'S 50 PARKING SPACES IN THAT LOT, AND YOU'LL HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT IF WE DETERMINE IN THE FUTURE THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT SUFFICIENT IN THAT MANNER, BUT THE PARKING IS LESS THAN IS NEEDED, WE COULD, THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND SAY, WE THINK WE SHOULD GET RID OF THIS PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE ALTOGETHER AND EXTEND OUR QUEUING.
AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE LEVERS THAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT.
WE'RE GOING WITH PLAN A BECAUSE WE THINK IT BEST FITS THE SITE.
BUT IF THIS BOARD FEELS THAT THIS WILL PROBABLY WORK AND YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT, I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK QUITE THE WAY YOU EXPECT IT TO, TO INCREASE QING CAPACITY OR EVEN INCREASE PARKING CAPACITY, IF, UH, AS THE CHAIRMAN SUGGESTED, YOU MIGHT NEED TO AVAIL EXTRA PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE OCCASION.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING THIS? YEAH.
UH, AND THEN SEE, BUT SEE, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT ASSUMING, ASSUMING IT TAKES ONE MINUTE AND YOU CAN'T DO IT.
AND WHY SHOULD WE ASSUME WHEN, AS THE CHAIR POINTED OUT, THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO CALCULATE THE TIME IT TAKES FOR, UH, A VEHICLE TO PASS THROUGH.
SO WE WILL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE, UH, UH, UM, SUFFICIENT AUTOMOBILES IS LEAVING THE SITE SO YOU DON'T HAVE A BACKUP ON THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S WELL, BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE MR. SIMON, THE TIME IS IN THEORY IRRELEVANT.
WHAT'S RELEVANT IS HOW FAR THE BACK OF Q GOES.
AND IF WE WERE TO DO THAT CALCULATION, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE OTHER ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ARRIVAL TIME, UH, DEPARTURE TIME, SERVICE TIME, AND THE BOARDS.
AND THAT THE, THERE'S A LOT OF BITS AND PIECES GO INTO THAT CALCULATION, BUT WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS THAT THE QUEUE DOES NOT EXTEND THAT ONTO THE STREET.
IF IT, IF IT TOOK YOU 40 MINUTES AND THE QUEUE STAYED ON THE SITE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I STILL HAVE NOT HEARD A LOGICAL ARGUMENT WHERE MY SIMPLE CALCULATION, WHEN I SAY THAT AT, IF WE LOOK AT THE MAXIMUM 123 CARS ARE COMING IN IN AN HOUR.
AND WE HAVE WHAT, 88 SPACES THAT WE MEAN WE NEED A MINIMUM OF 35 CARS LEAVING THE SITE.
WE'RE TELLING YOU IT'S A HUNDRED.
HUH? MR. MR. SIMON? ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT TO WHAT YOU ARE THINKING.
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WELL, PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND POINT, BUT MR CAN EXPLAIN IT.
IS IS DR. GREEN? SO, SO WHAT I WAS INDICATING IS THAT DURING THAT PEAK TIME PERIOD, WE HAVE, BASED ON THE COUNTS THAT WERE DONE AND WHAT WE ANALYZED IN OUR STUDY, WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED VEHICLES LEAVING THE SITE, WHETHER THEY'RE LEAVING A PARKING SPACE, I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN PARKING SPACE VERSUS DRIVE-THROUGH.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE MATH THAT YOU WERE DOING, IT COMES OUT THAT VEHICLES ARE LEAVING THE SITE AT A RATE THAT'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE ARRIVALS THAT OCCUR IN THAT TIME PERIOD, THE PROCESSING.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IN YOU ARE OVERLAPPING AN HOUR.
SO SOMEONE IN THE FIRST HOUR MAY BE PART OF THE QUEUE, JUST IN THE FIRST PART OF THE SECOND HOUR.
SO THE KEY HERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE FOCUS ON WHAT ARE THE CUES THAT WE SAW.
UH, IT'S ALMOST REGARDLESS OF THE PROCESSING TIME, BECAUSE IN WHAT I OBSERVED IN THE BUSY TIMES, SOME OF THE PROCESSING WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE SLOWER.
IN THE BUSY TIMES IT WAS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT BECAUSE YOU'RE PROCESSING MORE PEOPLE, THERE'S MORE TEAM MEMBERS DELIVERING THE MEALS TO PEOPLE.
SO IT'S REALLY THE OPERATION THAT DRIVES HOW THE CUES ARE HANDLED ON A, ON A PARTICULAR SITE.
CORRECT ME, I'M WAITING FOR A WHILE, BUT I WANT TO SAY ONE THING BEFORE THIS TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT I HEARD FROM, UH, FROM MR. CANNING UP TO NOW WHAT MR. CANNING IS SAYING BASED ON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT IT IN ENGLISH WITH A, WITH MY ACCENT INSTEAD OF YOURS.
UM, WHAT I HEAR IS LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, THE OPTIONS WE HAVE TO ALLEVIATE DEMAND CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
EITHER IT BE EXPANDING THE QUEUING OR USING THE BACK PARKING LOT FOR SOMETHING, WHETHER IT BE PICKUP OR FOR PARKING.
THE OTHER THING YOU COULD ALWAYS DO IF YOU REALLY GOT BAD IS YOU'D HAVE THE EMPLOYEES PARK IN THE KIND OF LIKE STRUCTURED PARKING, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU MORE SPACES IN THE BACK FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IF YOU NEEDED THAT.
BUT, UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JOHN, THAT YOU THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OPTIONS GIVEN THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I, I AM SAYING THAT, I'M SAYING TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO US SHOWS THAT THE SITE SHOULD WORK.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEES IN LIFE, BUT THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED FITS WITH THE SITE, AND THAT'S THE SITE THAT'S SET UP WITH, UH, 33 VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH AND 50 PARKING SPACES.
SO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN? WELL, THE BAD THINGS ARE THAT COULD HAPPEN ARE YOU COULD GET MORE DRIVE THROUGH ACTIVITY THAN WE EXPECT.
AND SO WHAT YOU DO THERE IS YOU, UH, YOU CAN TAKE THE PARKING OUT IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU HAVE LESS PARKING THE WEST ZONE AND YOU CAN EXTEND THE QUEUE BACK THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET ADDITIONAL CAPACITY MORE THAN WE THINK WE WILL NEED.
THE OTHER WAY IT COULD GO BAD WOULD BE IF THERE'S MORE PARKING, THEN THERE ARE SPACES.
SO YOU HAVE THE, UH, OTHER EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY USE OR YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE, UM, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE YOUR EMPLOYEES DO SOME SORT OF STACKED PARKING TO MAKE SOME ROOM OVER THERE AS WELL.
PROBABLY THE WORST OF THE WORST IS TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM, UH, HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU'D HAVE MORE PARKING AND MORE DRIVE-THROUGH ACTIVITY.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT SHOWS THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I MEAN, YOU CAN, IN MY OPINION, AND IT'S YOUR DECISION BOARD, YOU COVER AS MANY BASES AS YOU CAN, BUT YOU NEVER, YOU'RE UNLIKELY TO DESIGN FOR THE WORST OF THE WORST OF THE WORST, WHICH MIGHT HAPPEN ONE DAY A YEAR BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN INVESTMENT OF RESOURCES AND THEN AN UNNECESSARY, IT'S LIKE THE PARKING LOT.
YOU DON'T DESIGN A PARKING LOT FOR THE DAY BE BEFORE THAN, OR THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING FOR BLACK FRIDAY IF WE HAVE THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE 364 DAYS A YEAR, YOU'VE GOT A NOTION OF ASPHALT.
SO YOU DO THE 30TH HIGHEST OUT.
SO, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT YOU SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MEETS WHAT, WHAT IT'S SET UP FOR AND WE HAVE ALTERNATIVE PLANS IF IT'S MORE SUCCESSFUL IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT WE COVER ALL THE BASES, BUT I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD PLAN.
CHRIS, COULD I JUST ADD ONE THING BEFORE WE LOOK? OKAY.
SO, SO JUST FOR ORIENTATION PURPOSES,
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WHEN WE USE THAT WEST SIDE FOR THE STACKING, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE OUT OF SERVICE ABOUT 13 SPACES BECAUSE THE WAY WE HAVE IT DESIGNED RIGHT WITH THE ANGLED SPACES, ONE SIDE OF THE AISLE WOULD STILL BE FULLY AVAILABLE FOR PARKING.SO WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS OF SPACES AND WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE ONCE THE, THE SHIFT TURNOVER OCCURS, THERE'S GONNA BE AT LEAST 13 SPACES AVAILABLE IN I AGREE THE OTHER LOT, BUT SORRY, I AGREE WITH THAT.
YOU'VE BEEN WAITING VERY PATIENTLY.
I MIGHT ADD BEFORE I FALL ASLEEP.
YOU, IS IT? UM, SPEAKING OF NO, TWO, UH, TWO QUESTIONS.
UH, FIRST ONE IS THAT, UH, UM, UH, DOES, DOES THIS, ALL THIS, UH, PROCESSING AND QUEUING AND UH, OUT THROUGHPUT, UH, UH, INCLUDE SOME OF THE BREAKDOWNS OF THE VEHICLES IN THE QUEUING AREA? AND WHAT IS THE SORT OF, UH, FACTOR THAT YOU PUT INTO IT? SO THROUGHPUT IS MORE, UH, ACCURATE? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, JOHN.
AND ALSO, SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN OF A VEHICLE IN THE QUEUING? DID I READ YOU CORRECTLY? CORRECT.
IN ONE OF THE QUEUING LANES? YES.
SO I'VE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE TEAM MEMBERS ACTUALLY PUSHED THE VEHICLE.
UH, THERE WAS STILL ONE LANE OPERATING, BUT THEY PUSHED IT, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE FLOW MOVING.
UH, THAT WAS JUST MY PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE.
BUT THE, THE BENEFIT OF THE TWO DRIVE THROUGH LANES IS JUST THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY, IF FOR A VEHICLE DID BREAK DOWN, YOU HAVE THE TEAM MEMBERS SERVICING THE ORDERS.
AND IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT BREAKS DOWN IS IS THE OTHER PART OF IT.
IF IT'S IN THE PICKUP AREA AGAIN, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE DELIVERING THOSE MEALS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER LANE TO KEEP IT MOVING.
SO IT, IT REALLY, THE, THE OPERATION IS DRIVEN BY HOW THE TEAM MEMBERS FUNCTION IN MOST OF THESE.
I ASSUME, I ASSUME IF YOU HAVE, HAVE A BREAK.
IS THERE ALL THIS ANALYSIS AND MM-HMM.
AND DOES THAT FACT THE QUEUING AND THAT FOLLOWS WHAT WALTER'S QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT THE THROUGHPUT WILL STILL SUSTAIN SO THAT THERE WOULD BE, AND THEN THERE IS ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL COME OUT AND PUSH THE CAR.
MM-HMM,
WOULD THAT PRECIPITATE QUEUING IN THE STREET? AND THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU BOTH OF YOU, BOTH OF OUR TRAFFIC CUT JOHN AND YOU, THAT WHAT FACTOR IS ADDED ON TO, TO DO THAT? IT HAPPENS, UH, ONCE EVERY YEAH, I, I MEAN IT'S JUST A, JUST A FACTOR THAT ALWAYS ADDED AS A FACTOR OF SAFETY IN MANY OTHER DISCIPLINES.
SO HOW MUCH IS A FACTOR OF SAFETY? OKAY, SO THE, THE FIRST PART OF THE RESPONSE IS THAT OTHER THAN THE ONE TIME WE SAW 41 VEHICLES AT THE ONE SITE, THE TYPICAL PEAKS ARE IN THAT 30 RANGE.
OKAY? WE'RE ACCOMMODATING UP TO 50 PLUS VEHICLES STACKING.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, IF 41 WAS THE PEAK, UH, OCCURRENCE, WE HAVE A RESERVE OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, UH, NINE TO 13 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES STACKING WITHOUT EVEN GETTING CLOSE TO, TO BACKING UP ON THE HIGHWAY.
SO THAT'S YOUR QUOTE, WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT MY FACTOR OF SAFETY.
UM, JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT, JOHN.
UH, WELL, I I WILL, I'LL OFFER THIS.
UH, IN LOOKING AT THE DATA FROM HENRIETTA NEW YORK, THE 41 OCCURRED FROM 1210 TO 1220.
AND I'M GONNA SPECULATE, SOMETHING HAPPENED.
SOMETHING HAPPENED, RIGHT? AND SO FROM FROM 1210 UNTIL 1220, THE QUEUE INCREASED FROM 28, IT THEN WENT TO 39, 39 41.
AND THEN BY 1225, IT WAS BACK DOWN TO 34 MM-HMM.
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WAS 34 AFTER THAT.SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ON, ON THAT DAY IN HENRIETTA SOMETHING HAPPENED AND IT CAUSED A QUEUE TO JUMP FROM ABOUT 30 TO 40.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE INDICATION OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
UM, THEN WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RESPONSES? SO IF A CAR BREAKS DOWN IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, IT'S GOING TO CUT YOUR CAPACITY IN HALF, WHICH IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVELY IMPACT YOUR QUEUING, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THE TWO CON, THE TWO, THE TWO THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN IS ONE, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET THE CAR OUT OF THERE, WHICH AS PHIL SUGGESTED, THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO IS TO PUSH IT OUT.
I KNOW IF IT WAS MY CAR, I'D TRY AND PUSH IT OUT MYSELF AND HOPE I HAD SOMEBODY IN THE CAR TO HELP ME.
AND, UM, PROBABLY THE, UM, THE OPERATOR WOULD LIKE TO GET IT OUT THERE TOO, BECAUSE IT'S A HEADACHE FOR, FOR THE OPERATOR.
THE SECOND THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IF YOU, WHEN YOU GET AN EXCESSIVE QUEUE, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS INCLINED TO GET ON THE BACK OF A QUEUE THAT'S ALREADY OUT TOWARDS THE STREET.
SO I, I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT'S AN UNLIKELY EVENT.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN WHEN IT HAPPENS.
YOU'VE GOTTA GET THE CAR OUT OF THE WAY AND GET THE SYSTEM BACK UP AND RUNNING AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN.
WE HAVE AN INDICATION THAT MAYBE YOU'LL GET A 10 CAR EXTRA QUEUE AND THERE'S A DISINCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO JOIN THE BACK OF A QUEUE WHEN IT'S EXTRA LOVE.
WELL, YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL, JO, JOHN, IT'S VERY HELPFUL.
COULDN'T YOU ALSO, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN ONE SECOND.
YOU ALSO JUST, IF YOU HAVE THAT PROBLEM, JUST CLOSE DOWN, DOWN THE LA THE LANE TILL YOU GET THE CAR OUT OF THERE OR THE WHOLE DRIVE THROUGH.
LET'S SAY IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A QUEUE.
SO THE BEST WAY TO GET IT OUT IS EITHER GONNA GET ALL THE CARS IN FRONT OF IT OUT AND PUSH IT FORWARD, OR ALL THE CARS IN BACK OF IT, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO SHUT DOWN ONE SIDE ANYWAY.
WELL, SO IT FORWARD IS THE EASIEST WAY.
AND SO WHAT YOU DO IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FRONT OF IT, YOU FULFILL THEIR ORDERS, THEY LEAVE, AND THEN YOU GET YOUR STAFF TO PUSH THE PERSON OUT.
AND, AND THAT SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.
LESS WAS, YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.
I THINK THE, THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, OR IS IT, IF YOU ARE SORT OF, UH, THE ALTERNATE SCENARIO IS THAT HAVE A, THE, UH, THE EAST, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR, UH, AS A, AS AS A SIVE WALL OR BACKUP EAST SIDE.
SO HOW DOES THAT RULE WORK IN TERMS OF, UH, OPERATIONALLY THEY KIND OF COME OUT AND DELIVER INTO THE PARKING LOT, CONSIDERING THAT THE FARTHEST PARKING SPACE, I BELIEVE SOMEBODY DELIVERY IT WOULD BE JUST FOR ADDITIONAL QUEUING SPACES FOR CARS THAT TEAM MEMBERS WOULD THEN DIRECT ON, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
HE DID SAY SOMETHING PICKUP CHRIS.
RIGHT? HE DID SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PICKUP.
WOULD, WOULD YOU BE, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.
WOULD YOU BE DELIVERING TO BETTY FLAT EVER? WAS THAT ONE OF YOUR THOUGHTS? UH, THAT WASN'T THE PROPOSAL.
BUT THAT AREA COULD BE, AS JOHN SAID, FLEXIBLE.
IT COULD BE USED FOR STACKING, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES TO GET BACK INTO THE QUEUE FOR THEIR ORDER.
SO IT, THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE USE OF THAT LOT.
BUT I MEAN, IN THIS SCENARIO YOU ARE SHOWING IT.
UH, BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF OPERATIONAL PLAN? YES.
HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY GET BACK AND FORTH WITH ALL THESE MOVING LANES OF TRAFFIC? AND I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I'M, I'M SORT OF, I HAVE A, UH, SORT OF WE GET BACK AND FORTH.
THE, THE, THE, IF IF THIS GUYS IN, IN, IN THE STORE COMES OUT AND WALKS OVER AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA DELIVER.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DELIVER NOT TO THAT AREA EAST LOT.
HE SAID THAT'LL BE WHAT THEY DO IS RECOMMEND THEY GO IN AND PICK IT UP.
THERE IS A PICKUP AREA IN, IN CHICK-FIL-A NOW, SO YOU CAN WALK IN LIKE UBER EATS.
OH, SO, SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE FOR, THIS AREA IS NOT GOING TO AS SUGGESTED AS NO, IT'S NEVER GONNA BE SUSPENDER RIGHT.
UH, PRESENTATION OF THE THINGS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE POINT WAS THAT IF WE GOT TO THE, THE Q LEVELS, THAT THAT AREA COULD BE USED TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO GO THERE, TO PARK.
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STAFF TO DO THAT WHILE THIS THING IS BACKING UP THE STREET? YES.AND ON IN THE TRAFFIC, UH, MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE ACTUALLY LOCATE WHERE THE TEAM MEMBERS ARE ON THE LOT.
SO WE HAVE AT THE END OF THE 33 VEHICLE, UH, QUEUE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, WE HAVE A TEAM MEMBER THERE TO DIRECT PEOPLE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER TEAM MEMBER NEAR THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE QUEUE WOULD EXTEND IF IT EVER DID EXTEND BACK THERE AT THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD LOCATION TO DIRECT THEM TO THE OTHER LOT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE GRAND OPENING.
AND IT ALSO IS DEPICTED ON THE PLAN.
NO, I MEAN, UH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S A LOT OF BLEEP OF FATE TO REALLY SAY THAT IT'S OKAY CONSIDERING THAT, UH, WHAT'S WALTER'S INITIAL, UH, ISSUE IS THAT HE JUST, AT LEAST I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE OFFICER SORT OF SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE OR IT WOULD NOT BE.
AND, UH, UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS.
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE A QUICK COMMENT BEFORE I GIVE IT BACK TO WALTER? NO, I DIDN'T.
I I WAS THINKING, BUT I OKAY, WALTER, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH.
UH, AS I INDICATED BEFORE, THE INTERNAL OPERATIONS, UM, THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.
AND YOU CANNOT ACCEPT ANY MORE VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY.
IS PART OF YOUR OPERATIONAL PLAN IS TO HAVE SOMEONE GO OUT AND SAY THIS TEMPORARY CLOSE AND WAVE PEOPLE AWAY SO THEY DON'T STACK UP ON THE ROAD? IS THAT PART OF THE OPERATIONAL? SO, SO PART OF WHAT'S SPELLED OUT, AND AGAIN, THIS CAN BE FINE TUNED AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IS IF THERE WAS EVER A BACKUP, LET'S SAY TOWARDS, UH, OLD KENCO ROAD, THAT THAT DRIVEWAY, WE COULD CLOSE THAT DRIVEWAY OFF TEMPORARILY AND THE TEAM MEMBER WOULD THEN DIRECT PEOPLE TO BASICALLY GO AROUND THE BLOCK TO THE COUNTY CENTER, UH, UH, ROAD DRIVEWAY.
SO YES, IT IS PART OF OUR PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE, WHY WE HAVE THIS SPELLED OUT AND SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
IF IT NEEDED TO BE CLOSED TEMPORARILY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO WE CREATE THAT QUEUING SPACE AND THAT TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BACK UP ON THE ROAD NETWORK.
THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS.
BUT IF YOU DIRECT TRAFFIC TO THE OTHER END, THEN IT, IT WHAT? PREVENT A BACKUP ON THE, UH, AT THE OTHER, UH, WW IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DIRECT PEOPLE INTO THE DRIVEWAY OR WE HAVE THE, THE OTHER LOT WHERE WE CAN DIRECT THEM TO.
BECAUSE ONCE THEY GET TO THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD DRIVEWAY, IF IT EVER BACKED UP TO THAT POINT, THEN WE WOULD DIRECT THEM TO THE OTHER LOT.
BUT AGAIN, OR TELL THEM THAT THIS ISN'T A GOOD TIME OR IT'S YEAH.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT PART OF YOUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS NOT TO HAVE ANY VEHICLES, UH, UH, WAITING ON THE STREET.
AND SHOULD, AND SHOULD YOU, UH, UH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE NOT IN THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT CARS ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
SOMEONE WILL BE OUT THERE WAVING TRAFFIC AWAY FROM IN BOTH ENTRANCES.
'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO CORRECT E EITHER A TEMPORARY CLOSURE AND REDIRECT THAT YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE ON BOTH ENDS SAYING THAT, THAT YOUR TEMPORARY CLOSE AND YOU CANNOT STACK UP ON THE STREET IS THAT
IF WE EVER MET THE POINT WHERE WE COULDN'T GET THEM INTO THE OVERFLOW LOT, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION.
THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR, FOR YOUR ATTORNEY AND, AND THE OPERATIONS PERSON.
IF WE MEMORIALIZE SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE LIKE THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WOULD YOU GUYS HAVE A PROBLEM? OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU GET TO READ THE LANGUAGE BEFORE WE DO THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE WALTER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT A CONDITION.
WE, WE ALSO HAD RECOMMENDED A CONDITION TO MONITOR THE OLD SCO ROAD DRIVEWAY.
WE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT AFTER OPENING, WE ARE GONNA MONITOR THAT.
FOR THE LEFT TURNOUT, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE LEFT TURNOUT.
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SO THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING WE'VE COMMITTED TO AS A CONDITION.I JUST SAYING THAT IF WE COULD DO IT THIS WAY, I THINK YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO MESS.
OKAY? YOU GUYS WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS THIS WAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED OF THE LAST MEETING.
IF, IF WE ALL, UH, DECIDED TO TAKE A BOWING PLANE THESE DAYS, UH, AND DIE IN A PLANE CRASH.
I DUNNO IF YOU SAW THE LATEST ONE TODAY, BUT ONE OF THE WINGS CRACKED IN A PLANE GOING TO BOSTON TODAY, AND THEY HAD TO LAND IN DENVER.
UM, BUT SERIOUSLY, IF WE WERE ALL, IF WE WERE ALL GONE FROM THE BOARD, OKAY? AND IT'S A WHOLE NEW BOARD.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO IT AS A CONDITION.
A CONDITION LIKE THAT WOULD WORK.
WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE OF COURSE, AND MAKE SURE IT IS FEASIBLE.
I ALSO THINK, UM, LISTENING TO MR. CANNING, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOOKBACK PERIOD, RIGHT? AND SO DURING THAT LOOKBACK PERIOD, IF THERE WAS SUCH A CONDITION WITH LANGUAGE WE COULD AGREE ON, UM, AND THE SITE IS OPERATING AS EVERYONE PREDICTS, UM, THEN THAT CONDITION COULD COME OFF AS WELL.
UM, ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO NOTE AND LISTENING TO THE EXPERTS TALK.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WE HAVE TWO PROFESSIONALS, YOUR PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, OUR PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANT THAT ARE BOTH TELLING THIS BOARD THAT WE HAVE A SITE THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR MAXIMUM TRAFFIC EFFICIENCY AND MOST IMPORTANT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT YOU HAVE TWO, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS ABSOLUTELY AGREEING ON A DESIGN.
AND SO AS THE BOARD CONTINUES TO DELIBERATE, I TRUST THAT YOU BOTH LISTEN TO US, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU'RE LISTENING TO YOUR OWN TRAFFIC CONSULTING AND YOU'RE HEEDING HIS ADVICE.
UM, WE HAVE NOW SHOWN DATA THAT HAS MAXIMUM QUEUING THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND OTHER CHICK-FIL-AS, AND THAT'S A PRODUCT OF EVOLUTION.
DESIGN DESIGNS CHANGE OVER TIME, AND NOW WE'RE HERE.
AND LUCKILY WE HAVE A SITE THAT CAN AFFORD THIS MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER, UNLESS AISHA OR ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS IN THIS.
'CAUSE WE'VE SPENT, IT'S ALREADY AFTER EIGHT AND WE'RE NOT TALKING DELAY YET.
BUT WHAT IS THE CONCLUSION HERE? THE CONCLUSION IS WHAT WE JUST AGREED TO IS THAT THERE WILL BE CONDITIONS THAT WE DRAFTED BY STAFF AND, AND, AND RUN BY, UH, COUNSEL AND HIS CLIENT.
UH, THAT ENSURE THAT THOU SHALT NOT BE SPILLOVER ONTO THE STREET.
AND THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE POTENTIAL MEASURES THAT COULD BE TAKEN TO MITIGATE IT.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT HAS TO SAY.
OR IF WE CANNOT MITIGATE, THEN WE'LL BE SHUT DOWN.
THAT, THAT, THAT HAS TO BE, YEAH.
WELL, I'D ALSO, I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD THAT, UM, CHICK-FIL-A IS A UNIQUE COMPANY.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THEM.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN ANOTHER FACILITIES SPECIFICALLY IN NORWALK, THERE WAS A PROBLEM THERE.
THEY SHUT DOWN FOR A WHILE TOO.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN A DEVELOPMENT WORLD.
YOU TYPICALLY SEE SOMEONE LIKE ME COMING IN AND FIGHTING AND SAYING, NO, YOU CAN'T SHUT US DOWN.
SO THEY ARE SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT RIGHT THERE, WHAT HAPPENED IN NORWALK IS EVIDENCE THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, STAFF WILL BE DRAFTING THAT.
YOU'LL GET A COPY OF IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
AND YOU CAN NEGOTIATE WITH STAFF, THE LANGUAGE OF STAFF.
THEY'LL RUN IT BY ME PROBABLY.
AND I'M GONNA RUN IT BY THESE, UH, THE ZONING BOARD PROCESS AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY.
BUT WE, WE WILL START, WE HAVE TIME ACTUALLY TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FIRST.
TWO OTHER THINGS WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WITH THIS GUYS TAKING UP A LOT OF TIME TOO.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE KE YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I FEEL LIKE I'M ON THE 20TH CAR
UM, THE SECOND, THE SECOND THING WE REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WITH THIS, AND THANK YOU BY THE WAY, FOR ALL EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
'CAUSE THIS IS A, IT'S KIND OF A TRICKY AREA TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE WAY PEOPLE COME OUT OF THERE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE HOUSES BEHIND THERE AND USE IT OLD CONCO ROAD PARTICULARLY.
BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I AM GONNA GET YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS TO ACTUALLY TIME IT FROM THE TIME YOU COME IN.
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MAGAZINE WILL DO IT FOR YOU AS I DO.I AM A SUBSCRIBER AND I WILL WRITE TO THEM.
OKAY? THE SECOND THING IS, IS WHAT WE DO ABOUT SEEKER, WE ARE THE LEAD AGENCY ON SEEKER.
UM, AND I, I DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING AN UNCOORDINATED REVIEW SINCE THERE'S SO MANY VARIANCES.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, JOE, MAYBE YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE VARIANCES ARE ALL TYPE TWO.
I, UM, WOULD RELY ON GARRETT FOR THAT ONE.
BUT GARRETT SAID YESTERDAY TO ME THAT HE BELIEVED THEY'RE ALL TYPE, I BELIEVE.
UM, THE SO LOT LINE SETBACKS ARE TYPE TWO ACTIONS.
THERE IS A HEIGHT VARIANCE RELATED TO THE LIGHTING POLES.
UM, REGARDLESS, IS THAT, IS THAT UNLISTED? IS THAT UNLISTED? THAT WOULD BE UNLISTED.
UM, BUT THIS BOARD IS ALREADY TAKEN A COORDINATED REVIEW AND COORDINATED TO THE INVOLVED AGENCIES.
WELL, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THE AREA VARIANCES WOULD BE TYPE TWO, THE SETBACKS AND, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEREFORE, TO DO AN UNCOORDINATED REVIEW MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE IT'S TYPE TWO.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY DO SEEKER.
SO IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION ON POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.
I'LL GIVE YOU MY, MY OPINION ABOUT THIS AS MUCH AS I THINK THERE ARE SOME ISSUES.
OKAY? UH, I'D HATE TO, AS MUCH AS CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, BUT I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE 12 OF 'EM ON THE SAME STREET.
AND WE AS A TOWN NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT REGULATING, REGULATING, DRIVE-THROUGHS BECAUSE OF YOUR, THIS IS YOUR FUNDAMENTAL BUSINESS MODEL.
GIVING US A PAUSE DECK MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.
I I, IT JUST DOESN'T, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
WE END UP DOING EIS AND BE SITTING HERE FOR, FOR A YEAR WITH 300 QUESTIONS AND NO, NO, NOTHING MORE THAN WE DO NOW.
SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE MAKE AN EGG DECK, HOWEVER, WE PUT LANGUAGE IN ABOUT OUR CON ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, NOT ABOUT THEM PARTICULARLY, BUT ABOUT PROLIFERATION OF THESE KIND KINDS OF OPERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO DRAFT TOWN CODE, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW TO REGULATE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
SO THE VERY REASON THE DRIVE THROUGHS INHERENTLY DO INCREASE POLLUTION UNTIL WE, WE GET TO ALL ELECTRIC CARS, EVEN THEN THEY DO.
'CAUSE IT JUST PUTS IT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.
IT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR PEOPLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS.
SO WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT STILL GIVE A NEGATIVE DEC DECLARATION.
I JUST WANT TO PUT, I WANT TO, I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT A LITTLE RED FLAG IF WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK ON DRIVE-THROUGHS.
IT'S NO REFLECTION ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, WHICH THIS IS A, A, A COMPANY POLICY, A GENERAL POLICY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AND, AND, AND IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT THE WORLD HAS MISSED ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL.
UM, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THE SECRET DETERMINATION THIS BOARD IS GONNA MAKE IS TO BE PROJECT SPECIFIC.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IS A, A NOTEWORTHY THING TO SAY, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT BELONGS IN THE ACTUAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION DOCUMENT WHEREBY IT COULD BE A LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WELL, THERE WILL BE A LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THIS, BUT, BUT I, I'LL, I'LL REFER TO MY COUNCIL SURE.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU GUYS IS THAT WE'RE GONNA RECORD, IT WILL BE IN A DECK.
WHICH MEANS WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
THE SECOND QUESTION, HOWEVER, MAY A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED FIRST TONIGHT.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE PROBABLY, WE WON'T VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.
AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FULL BOARD WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS TWO ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND TWO IS, I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS, REALLY DISCUSS IT.
THE WAY IT WORKS WITH US IS, I SAID WE CAN DO POSITIVE, NEUTRAL, OR NEGATIVE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE REALLY, AND I THINK, WALTER, YOU SAID IT THE BEST THIS AFTERNOON WHEN YOU AND I WERE TALKING, UM, POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASICALLY RESERVED FOR THIS VARIANCE ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE PROJECT.
IN YOUR CASE, YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED THEM.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THIS PROJECT.
SO I, MY FEELING IS, AND I'LL LIST TO EVERYBODY, THAT IT CAN'T
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BE A POSITIVE NEUTRAL.IF ARE NEGATIVE, THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
NOW THERE ARE 12 VARIANCES, BUT IT'S A LOT OF VARIANCES.
BUT IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING? OR, AND SHOULD WE INFLUENCE IT AT ALL? THAT'S REALLY A ZONING BOARD ISSUE IF THEY THINK IT'S TOO MANY.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT AND SAY, LOOK, OR, OR ELSE JUST CODE THEM INDEPENDENTLY? NO, WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE ALWAYS ASK.
THEY ASK FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEN NEUTRAL IS THE BEST.
I THINK NEGATIVE, IF I MAY, I, WHEN WE SUBMITTED TO THE ZBA, WE ALSO PROVIDED A VIRTUAL COPY TO THE, TO THIS BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT.
UM, BUT IN THERE WE SHOW AND LIKE WE'VE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THIS BOARD JUSTIFICATIONS FOR EACH AREA OF VARIANCE.
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS A VAST MAJORITY OF THE AREA VARIANCES WE ARE SEEKING ARE TURNING THIS SITE INTO GREATER ZONING COMPLIANCE THAN WHAT EXISTS TODAY.
THAT'S A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
AND I, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, NO, HERE'S ANOTHER PLANNING, UH, ANOTHER PLANNING RELATED AREA.
VARIANCE IS SOME OF THE AREA VARIANCES ARE RELATED TO THE CANOPIES.
THEY'RE RELATED TO THE LIGHTING.
THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT BEHIND THERE, 27 FOOT LIGHTING.
I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM, WELL ACTUALLY HAVE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, RIGHT? IT'S DOWN TO 17.
WHAT IS, WELL, WELL JUST IF I JUST FINISH WHAT I WAS SAYING, ANOTHER YES SIR.
ASPECT OF THE AREA VARIANCE IS RELATED TO ELONGATING THE DRIVE THROUGH, RIGHT? WHICH IS MM-HMM.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A NEUTRAL, THERE MIGHT BE SOME VARIANCES THAT THIS BOARD WOULD FIND TO BE POSITIVE.
WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IS A NEUTRAL IS NOT A NEGATIVE.
WE'VE MADE THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR TO THE PLAN, TO THE ZONING BOARD THAT NEUTRAL IS NOT A NEGATIVE.
SO WHAT I'M THINKING AS WE DO A NEUTRAL ADDING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE AS WE GO THROUGH ONE BY ONE, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, JUST THAT WE SEE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY, IT WAS A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION OR AN IMPROVEMENT FOR IS MORE, THERE'S ALSO MORE A PERMEABLE SURFACE, I THINK, THAN THERE CURRENTLY IS, RIGHT? YEP.
SO WE, WE PUT THAT IN THERE AND LET THEM DECIDE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
MM-HMM,
'CAUSE ONE OF ONE OF THEM THAT, THAT THE SETBACK OF THE DRIVE THROUGH WHERE WE ALLOW FOR THE FLEXIBLE DRIVE THROUGH, THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T WOULD MEET IF IT WAS THE ONLY VARIANCE.
IT WOULD MEET THE STANDARD OF POSITIVE FOR US.
BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY SUGGESTED IT TO THAT.
AND IT IS, IT GETS US THE FLEXIBILITY.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO POINT THOSE OUT.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR, BUT OVERALL WE'D GIVE IT A NEUTRAL AND SAY, LOOK, THIS
I THOUGHT WE'D JUST GIVE THAT.
WELL, THERE'S SO MANY VARIANCES HERE.
WAIT, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO POINT OUT THE VARIANCE THAT ARE IMPROVEMENT, THEN WE HAVE TO POINT OUT THE VARIANCE, WHICH WE FEEL ARE NOT IMPROVEMENT, CAN DO THAT.
OR WE JUST LEAVE IT AND DON'T MAKE A COMMENT ON ANY OF THEM.
I I THINK THAT'S, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WELL, WHICH WAY WOULD YOU PREFER DOING IT? MATT'S GONNA WRITE IT UP.
CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ, IF I COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE RECOMMENDATION.
SO I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF A, UM, OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE DRAFT THAT UP ON YOUR BEHALF AND THEN WITH THAT IN YOUR POSSESSION AS A DRAFT, I THINK IT MAY INFORM YOUR THINKING ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VERY DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BOTH VOTE ON THE, UM, SEEKER AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH THAT WRITTEN UP DRAFT NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THAT'S DECLARATION, THAT'S WHAT PLAN TO DO.
AND WITH THAT FOR IN CONTEXT, YOU CAN THEN, UM, I THINK BE IN A BEST POSITION TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON, UM, EACH OF THE VARIANCES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT VOTE ON EACH OF THE VARIANCES.
I GOTTA THINK OR VOTE ON THE VARIANCES IN TOTALITY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO DO THAT.
WHICH IS CORRECT'S POINT AND YOUR POINT.
SO IT MAY BE AN OVERALL THING, BUT, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A POSITIVE VARIANCE OVERALL.
AND I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S A NE I MEAN, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION OVERALL.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S GONNA BE NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
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BUT WE HAD, I MEAN, IT'S NOT OFFICIAL.I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LEANING RIGHT NOW.
I JUST, UM, I ALWAYS TRY TO POINT OUT THAT, AND I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IT WHEN I DID THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ANALYSIS WAS THE, HOW THE PROJECT IS BRING, EVEN THOUGH 12 VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED, THE PROJECT IS NOW MORE CONFORMING WITH THE CODE.
DO US A FAVOR, MATT, IN OUR NEXT PACKAGE, SEND THAT.
IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT HANDY WHERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS SENT TO THE ZONING BOARD, GIVE IT TO US AGAIN BEFORE WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OKAY.
AND I CAN GET YOU MORE HARD COPIES AS WELL, MATT.
AND, UM, WE WILL SEE YOU FOR THE MARCH MEETING.
AND THEN, UM, I WOULD PUT YOU, I WOULD GUESS YOU COULD TRY TO GET ON FOR THE APRIL, APRIL, UM, ZONING BOARD MEETING.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL MAKE THE MARCH ONE, BUT YOU COULD TRY.
DID YOU ALREADY, YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED.
WE SUBMITTED, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KIRA, I BELIEVE HER NAME IS, WHO'S INCREDIBLY ORGANIZED AND HELPFUL.
UM, SO SHE WAS GONNA LET US KNOW WHAT AGENDA WE WERE GONNA BE PLACED ON AFTER LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ON THE MARCH, LET US KNOW BECAUSE YOU, THEIR SECOND, THEIR MEETING IS GENERALLY THE DAY AFTER OUR SECOND MEETING SO WE, WE COULD GET IT DONE.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DONE.
I WANT TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
SO ONE OF THEM WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON.
UH, WE'RE ON CASE TV 2309, WHICH IS CONTINUATION DISCUSSION OF, UH, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UH, LAW.
HAS WRITTEN, DRAFTED A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY GOT IN THEIR PACKET AS WELL AS THE REPORT.
UM, TONIGHT THERE'S A REVISION TO THE REPORT THAT I HAD SUGGESTED, UH, BASED ACTUALLY ON SOMETHING, UH, GARRETT, DUANE HAD SAID.
BECAUSE THE, THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S COME UP ON THE AUS IS, UH, ARE WE REALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE COMMENTS I'LL MAKE ON THIS, AND SOME OF THEM I'M STEALING FROM GARRETT, SO I APOLOGIZE GARRETT FOR STEALING THEM, BUT I WILL.
UM, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, COMPLIMENT IS A LIVING DOCUMENT TIMES CHANGE.
OKAY? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS LAW IS THAT WE'RE DOING IS UPDATE IS ALL IN A WAY UPDATING THE COMP PLAN TOO.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN RELATIVE TO WHAT, UH, WE'RE DOING IN THE A DU LAW, UM, IT MEETS THE CRITERIA.
FIRSTLY, ALL THE CRITERIA IN PARAGRAPH 10 EXCEPT THE FIRST ONE, UH, WHICH REGARDS DENSITY.
BUT THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF DENSITY, RIGHT? THERE'S BUILDING DENSITY.
AND IN FACT, IF THERE IS AN IMPACT OF ED USE, IT'S DI MINIMIS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD BEYOND THE EXISTING ZONING.
SO SOMEBODY COULD BUILD AN ACCESSORY UNIT IN THE BACKYARD NOW AND TAKE AS MUCH COVERAGE AND MAKE IT JUST AS DENSE AS IF THAT WERE AN A DU MM-HMM,
NOW THERE MAY BE MORE FINANCIAL INCENT INCENTIVE TO BE THAN A DU, BUT WE ALSO KNOW OR BELIEVE, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IN AREAS THAT ARE LESS AFFLUENT, THE CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THIS WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT, EXISTING FOOTPRINT, BE IT A GARAGE OR A BASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RATHER THAN INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION OR EVEN AN ADDITION, RIGHT? SO THE BUILDING DENSITY ISSUE IS DI MINIMUS.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE PEOPLE DENSITY.
THAT'S MORE, MORE OF A QUESTION.
IT, IT, IT'S LIKELY TO HAVE SOME INCREASE AND PEOPLE DENSITY, BUT THAT INCREASE IN, IN PEOPLE DENSITY TWO IS DI MINIMIS BECAUSE WE'VE RECOMMENDED A CAP OF 25 OF THESE.
OKAY? THE ONE LOOSE END WE HAD FROM THE LAST TIME WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DISTANCE.
YOU KNOW, MARDI GRAS IN INDIA.
I MEAN THERE ARE TWO, TWO, YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S UH, UH, GOOD TO KIND OF, UH, CONTROL, UH, THE,
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UH, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC? YEAH, SORRY, SORRY.UM, IT, IT'S SORT OF THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT A DU IS, UH, HAVING A, UH, MORE, UH, MORE HOUSING.
IF YOU DO 25, HOW MANY TOTAL NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS WE HAVE IN GREENBURG, MAYBE, UH, 10,000, 8,000 OR SO.
SO IF YOU DO 25, THAT'S LIKE 0.0001%.
LEMME GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE.
WE NEED 700 HUNDRED PER AND WHY DO WE NEED THIS? A DU LAW.
IF YOU ARE NOT REALLY GOING TO DO ANY REALLY SIGNIFICANT THINGS, THEN I THINK ULTIMATELY THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO COME HARD ON TO THE LOCALITIES WHO JUST BASICALLY CIRCUMVENT THE WHOLE LAW.
OKAY? SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE, THE DENSITY PART.
SECOND IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I'M I, NO, FINISH THAT.
IF YOU GOING DO THIS DISTANCE, THAT A HUNDRED FEET DISTANCE, THAT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS FIRST IN THE QUEUE TO BUILD IT WILL DEPRIVE THE SOMEBODY ELSE NEXT.
WHICH IS WHY THE A VL DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.
OKAY? SO WE DECIDED NOT TO RECOMMEND THAT FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
LET ME ANSWER, LET ME ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE.
OKAY? JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE A VL HAD HAD DONE A CALCULATION OF HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS WE WERE SHORT IN GREENBURG.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER.
NOW THINK ABOUT THE ONLY AFFORDABLE INITIATIVE OUTSIDE OF SECTION EIGHT HOUSING LE LEAVES.
WE DO A GREAT JOB WITH SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IN THE TOWN.
AND WE'RE DOING EVEN A BETTER JOB WITH THE NEW PROPOSAL THAT BISHOP, UH, PRESTON, UH, SHOWED US ON MAPLE OFF OF MAPLE AVENUE THERE.
UM, TAKE THAT OUT OF THE EQUATION.
THE ONLY OTHER INITIATIVE WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST 15 YEARS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS THE SET ASIDE.
THAT SET ASIDE HAS GOTTEN OVER 15 YEARS, ONLY 65 UNITS.
OKAY? SO IT'S BEEN PRETTY INEFFECTIVE.
OKAY? WE'RE HOPING MAYBE THAT'S GONNA TAKE THAT ISSUE UP AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO THERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT IT HASN'T BEEN ALL THAT EFFECTIVE, A DU IN ITS OWN, OWN WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE REASON FOR THE 25 IS, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S CHANGEABLE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S IN THE LAW AND IT'S REVIEWABLE EVERY YEAR BY THE TOWN BOARD.
THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE GET USED TO A ADUS AND WHAT IT TAKES, IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THIS BOARD.
WE CAN'T HANDLE MORE THAN 25 OF THOSE IN A YEAR.
WE FIGURED BETWEEN TWO AND THREE MEETINGS, RIGHT? TO APPROVE ONE.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE THE PROCEDURE THEN? WELL, THIS, WE CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, IT'S A, IT'S THE SAME FOR PROCEDURE AS ANY P ANY, ANY SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE IMP WHAT WHAT THE APPLICATION FLOW IS, WE THINK IT MAYBE LESS THAN 25 ACTUALLY.
'CAUSE GARRETT HAS SPENT A, A LOT OF TIME RESEARCHING AND AMANDA HAS BEEN RESEARCHING THE LAW AND GARRETT'S RESEARCH THE, THE NUMBER OF THESE THINGS IN THE SURROUNDING TOWNS THAT HAVE HAD IT FOR A WHILE, IT'S LESS, IT'S LOW.
OKAY? BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, IF THIS IS ALL WE'RE DOING, IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
BUT IF WE, IF WE DO TWO THINGS, ONE, ADD 25 UNITS AND AT THE SAME TIME SAVE TWO THIRDS OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO LOSE THEIR HOUSE, WE'VE DONE SOMETHING REALLY GOOD.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE REMEMBER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE STRO STRONGLY RECOMMENDED IN HERE WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE RESTRICTION FOR R FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE.
AND THE REASON, THE, THE REAL REASON FOR THAT, REMOVING THAT RESTRICTION 'CAUSE MAYBE WE COULD GET 25 IN, IN NICE, IN IN LARGE LOT AREAS WAS BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO COULD USE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING AN A DU AS MUCH AS ANYBODY.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR, NOT EVERYBODY IN OUR FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE, BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN R FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE THAT A LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
AND THIS WILL GIVE THEM A LITTLE, LITTLE BREATHER.
ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THEIR HOME AND SEND THEIR KID TO COLLEGE.
YOU KNOW, OR ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN PLACE AND RENT OUT THE HOUSE.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY THE LAW WE'VE WRITTEN, I AGREE WITH YOU.
REMEMBER THE OTHER THING, AND I, I'LL SAY THIS PUBLICLY, OKAY? AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE DO HAVE A TOWN BOARD WHO ULTIMATELY IS A DECISION MAKER.
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RECOMMEND MANY.AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH TOO, TO PASS.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
UM, SO JUST TO CONFIRM, I THOUGHT THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A CAP ON 25 WAS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE DRAFT OF THE LOCAL BOARD.
NO, IT'S NOT IN THE LOCAL LAW.
IT IS IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AS OF NOW, THE 25.
NOW THE QUESTION TO THAT 25, IS IT, UH, SHOULD WE INCLUDE THE SORT OF MAKING NON-CONFORMING TO CONFORMING IS OUTSIDE OF IT? BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN, OH, I, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT.
MORE THAN 200 OUT OF, UH, LIKE A CARVE OUT FOR LEGALIZATION OF EXISTING.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU, YOU, SO THEN YOU WON'T HAVE ACTUALLY ANY IMPACT ON ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THERE ARE NOW ILLEGAL.
NOW WE MAY, I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
IF ELM I'LL GIVE YOU NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT IF ELMWOOD SAW THE, THE PEOPLE DEVELOPING WARD SAW THIS LAW AND SAID, GEE, I COULD TAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT 112 HOUSES, ADD AN A DU, INCREASE THE VALUE OF THAT HOUSE WITHOUT INCREASING THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND DO NOTHING FROM DENSITY.
'CAUSE THEY CAN BUILD THE HOUSES TO INCORPORATE THE A DU IN THE HOUSE.
AND THEY CAME TO US AND SAID WE WANTED TO PUT 50.
I'M JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER 50 ON THAT PROPERTY ALONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO? TOWN BOARD AT ANY TIME HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO OVERRIDE THE CAP.
WE COULD RECOMMEND TO THE, OUR GARRETT STAFF COULD RECOMMEND TO THEM, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN ELMWOOD, WE DON'T WANT TO BLOW IT.
SO LET'S KEEP THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CAP.
IF GOD BLESS IF WE HAVE A HUNDRED OF THESE COME IN TO TRY TO LEGALIZE NON-CONFORMING, THANK GOD.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE NOW ARE LEGAL NONCONFORMING DON'T CONFORM TO FIRE LAWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NO, I I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT, UH, SUGGESTION.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE, WE HAVE A PROCESS AS, AS A KIND OF LIKE, SO THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS RIGOROUS SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA.
IF IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, WHY COULDN'T IT JUST GO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR? YEAH.
SO THERE ARE EXAMPLES IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE IF IT'S A, LET'S SAY YOU TURN YOUR GARAGE INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, AN A DU, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE ROUTE OF A BUILDING INSPECTOR.
BUT THAT'S JUST, WELL, EVENTUALLY I WANT TO, I'D DO THAT.
I WOULDN'T DO THAT YET BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF CRITERIA IN THERE.
BUT I WOULD TAKE, IF THEY'D ALREADY CONVERTED THE BASEMENT OR THE GARAGE TO AN A DU AND THE LEGAL A A DU, RIGHT? WHY WOULDN'T WE LET THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HANDLE THAT? HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T SEE THE LAW AND SAID, OH, I'M GONNA BUILD IT AND THEN LEGALIZE IT.
WELL, I, I MEAN YOU I AGREE WITH, BUT EVERY, THE WHOLE CONS, WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS A DU LAW IS TO INCREASE.
AND IF YOU GO KEEP IT ROADBLOCKS THE THERE WITH THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, YOU'RE GONNA END UP BEING VERY ABOUT THIS.
HOW ABOUT THIS? FIRST OF ALL, GREAT IDEA BECAUSE IT'S A WAY OF US EVENTUALLY MAKING THIS QUICKER.
OKAY? AND, AND, AND GETTING MORE
IF IT, HOW ABOUT THIS? WHAT IF THIS BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE THE, WE HAVE THE OPTION OF WAIVING THE HEARING.
WE PUT THAT IN AS A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR AND WHAT FOR AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING OH, FOR EXISTING OPTION NOT REQUIREMENT.
AND IF WE GO OUT THERE THE NEXT DAY AND SEE THAT SOMEBODY, THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION TRUCK IN FRONT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GO.
BUT, UM, THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO A BUILDING INSPECTOR COMING OUT.
JUST PUT IN THERE THAT WE HAVE, HAVE A WAIVER OPTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD OPTION.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS INCLUDING A TIMEFRAME SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, FROM SIX MONTHS OF PASSAGE OF THE LAW, FOR EXAMPLE.
TO KIND OF MORE CAPTURE THE EXISTING SO SOMEONE AFTER PASSING THE LAW YEAH, THAT RIGHT.
BUT DON'T DO IT WITHIN THAT SIX MONTHS THEN, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
MATT, I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE LAW IS TO INCREASE, UH, HOUSING.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING IS THE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO ME THAT YOU WANNA DO ONE SIDE TO DO THAT.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT JUST SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WITH THE CON WITH SORT OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYING, OKAY.
WHICH MOST LIKELY THEY KNOW IT.
AND I BET THERE IS AT LEAST OUT OF 8,500 OF THAT ALREADY EXIST IN TOWN OF GREENBURG.
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BUT I I MEAN IN ONE MILE STREET THERE IS PROBABLY, YEAH, BUT DO THEY, DO THEY HAVE ANOTHER, DO THEY HAVE ANOTHER KITCHEN OR THE WHAT? REMEMBER IT'S LEGAL TO HAVE BOARD BY SPECIAL PERMIT.IT'S LEGAL TO HAVE BORDERS IN, IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE IN GREENBERG.
THEY CAN'T HAVE A SECOND KITCHEN, BUT THEY CAN HAVE ORDERS, HAVE A SECOND KITCHEN.
BUT YOU HAVE, BUT GOING TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GOING ON.
BUT GO TO YOUR POINT 500 IS LOW NUMBER ACTUALLY.
BUT GOING TO YOUR POINT THAT THE OBJECTIVE IS TO INCREASE HOUSING.
BUT, BUT NOT WITHOUT SOME RULES.
SO THE FACT THAT THE I DID, YEAH.
SO THE FACT THAT IF I LIKE MATT'S SUGGESTION THAT IF AND WHEN THIS LAW IS PASSED, YOU HAVE A, UM, UH, A PERIOD OF TIME, SAY SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER, A PERIOD OF TIME, IF YOU HAVE, UH, I, YOU COULD COME IN AND TO LEGALIZE IT AND LEGALIZE IT THROUGH THE BUILDINGS DEPARTMENT RIGHT? AFTER SIX MONTHS, THEN YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH, WHICH WOULD YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
WHICH WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LEGALIZE.
I WAS JUST THINKING OF THAT SCENARIO AND THINKING, WHAT IF THE PERSON DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND THEN HE SOLD THE HOME AND THEN A NEW PERSON'S COMING IN TOO LATE.
SO WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE THE OPTION TO DO IT.
NOW, AS I SAID, WHAT WE COULD DO, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
I PROMISE WHAT WE COULD DO THOUGH IS STILL HAVE A WAIVER OPTION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE WITH THE RIGHT TO WAIVE THE WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING THING.
WE COULD DO THAT STILL MEAN AT LEAST ONE MEETING.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA MEAN TWO MEETINGS ANYWAY.
I THINK THANK CRAIG, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT SIX MONTHS IS BY THE TIME PEOPLE EVEN TRY TO FIND OUT THAT THERE IS A CHANGE.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT, IF YOU HAVE SOME SET, IT GOT TO BE LIKE TWO YEARS SO THAT PEOPLE GET TO FIND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE IT.
I THINK THAT'S TRUE AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT IT AND TO KIND OF DO THAT.
AND THE TOWN IS NOT BEEN IN MY EXPERIENCE, LIVING IN 43 HERE IN TOWN.
WELL PAUL WANTS TO PROMOTE THIS.
WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT PAUL PLANS TO PROMOTE IT WHEN AND IF IT PASSES THE TOWN BOARD, PAUL PLANS TO PROMOTE A VIEWS.
IT'S GONNA GO OUT IN HIS MAILING LIST.
IT'S GONNA GO INTO NEWSPAPERS.
AND WE JUST LOST THE SCARSDALE ENQUIRER IN THE RIVERTOWN NEWS.
UM, SO, BUT IT'LL GO, IT'LL GO OUT ON NEXTDOOR.
THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF NOTICE FOR THIS.
I THINK TWO YEARS IS TOO LONG.
BUT I, I THINK AT THIS POINT YOU CAN ALWAYS EXTEND IT BY THE WAY.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, SEEING HOW WE DON'T, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS, IS TO FOCUS IN ON CONCEPTS RATHER THAN TO SAY SIX MONTHS TONIGHT.
WELL, WE NEED TO, WHAT I WANTED TO I AGREE WITH THAT.
I JUST WANT MATT TO BE ABLE TO WRITE, WRITE SOMETHING UP THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT AND RESPOND TO FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT TONIGHT BECAUSE NO, WHAT TO SAY BECAUSE THE NON A VL MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD AREN'T HERE
SO, SO, SO I THINK THE WAY YOU COULD WRITE UP THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE A PERIOD OF TIME SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE A PERIOD OF TIME OKAY.
WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY COULD COME IN AND, AND, AND GET A ACTUAL THROUGH THE BUILDING, BUILDING THE PROBLEM.
ACTUALLY THEY WOULDN'T BE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
THEY WOULD JUST BE ILLEGAL AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT A PERMIT, SO YOU ILLEGAL.
WELL SEE THE OTHER OPTION YOU HAVE THOUGH, BECAUSE WE DO THIS ALREADY WITH, UM, MINOR WETLAND WATERCOURSE, FOR INSTANCE.
THAT MAY BE THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
AT LEAST WE'RE SEEING IT AND WE CAN GET THROUGH IT IN FIVE MINUTES RATHER THAN, UH, YEAH.
BUT I I THINK THAT SHOULD BE AFTER THE SUNSET PERIOD, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE THAT OPTION OF DOING THAT.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT MORE BIGGER SCENARIO THINGS, BUT, UH, ALSO THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING TO SHOULD DO.
WE SHOULD, TOM WOULD, SHOULD CONSIDER, EXCUSE ME, I'M JUST WRITING HIM HOME.
TOM BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER A EXPEDITED OPTION TO LEGALIZE PREVIOUSLY, CURRENTLY ILLEGAL,
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UH, ADUS.AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE WHAT TIME PERIOD, PROCESS, WHAT TIME PERIOD, THE WAIVERS AND STUFF.
I'M JUST RUN, I THINK FANTASTIC THOUGHT BY THE WAY.
I THING IS, UH, I MEAN SOME OF THIS THINGS COME FROM CALIFORNIA.
THEY, THEY HAVE REALLY DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IN CREATING A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AND STUFF.
AND THE WHOLE THINGS ARE, UH, EXCEPTIONALLY DONE WELL.
UH, WHAT COMMUNITIES, I MISS THAT.
CALIFORNIA, THEY, THEY WERE THE FIRST ONES THAT DID IT.
AND THEY'VE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN ANYBODY, I THINK.
AND, AND NOW THEY HAVE COMPANIES THAT COMES WITH THE WHOLE LIKE A, LIKE A KIT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT IT UP IN LIKE A TWO DAYS.
SO ALL PRE, PRE TINY SOMEWHERE.
COMMUNITY TO, THAT'S THE OTHER THING I HAVE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE READING THROUGH IT.
I FOUND ANOTHER THING IS LIKE YOU HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT AND IF YOU ARE ALLOWING IN 5,000 SQUARE FEET A DU, WHICH REQUIRES A TWO, TWO CAR PARKING ALREADY, AND THEN IF YOU ADD ONE MORE, WHERE IS, WHERE IS THE SPACE FOR THAT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN DETAIL.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY R FIVES AND R SEVEN FIVES HAVE THREE TO FOUR CARS ALREADY.
THE REASON IS YOU GOT, IF YOU HAVE A, REMEMBER EVERY LENGTH OF A CAR AND A DRIVEWAY IS A PARKING SPACE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH A TWO CAR WIDE DRIVEWAY, YOU'VE GOT FOUR SPACES ALREADY.
BUT IF IT'S A A DU AND IT'S ACCESS TO ALL THE THINGS BEFORE THEY CAN LEGALLY, IF THEY HAVE TWO, IF THEY HAVE FOUR AND YOU ADD THE A DU, THE MAXIMUM WE CAN REQUIRE UNDER WHAT WE WROTE WAS FOUR.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE MORE THAN FOUR SPACES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE MORE THAN FOUR CARS.
SO THEY, THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM.
TO FIND IT, IT SAYS THOU SHALT NOT PARK THOSE CARS OFF, OFF YOUR PROPERTY, OUT ON THE STREET, BASICALLY.
AND THEY CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PARK FROM WHAT, DECEMBER 15TH TO MARCH 15TH.
I KNOW THAT'S, UH, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
I DON'T LIKE IT IF WE, THERE'S STREET PARKING HOLD THINGS ABOUT THE, THE, THE RESTRICTION IS VERY UPDATED WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE A ENOUGH OF, UH, E EQUIPMENTS OR SOMETHING TO CLEAN UP THE PLACE AND OTHER STUFF.
AND, UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY WELL COME TO MY STREET IF YEAH, I KNOW.
BUT, UH, NOT JUST, YEAH, NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.
THAT'S, THEY CANNOT ALLOW ANY PERIOD.
SO, AND EVEN, EVEN DURING THE WARMER MONTHS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE BETWEEN THE PARKED CAR AND COMING BACK AND FORTH.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, BUT, UH, RESTRICTION ON, ON A OTHERWISE AREAS WHERE YOU, YOU CANNOT REALLY, WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, BUT I AGREE THAT IF THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE ALREADY THERE, AND I'M, I'M JUST THINKING THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET LOT WOULD REQUIRE, WOULD HAVE A, UH, WHAT'S 28 POINT, UH, COVERAGE OF THE, UH, THE IMPERIOUS COVERAGE? IMPIOUS COVERAGE IS, IT'S 30, IS IT 30? SOUNDS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW THE TOP.
YEAH, IT'S 30 SOMETHING THAT YEAH.
SO HOW MUCH OF SQUARE FOOT, HOW MUCH IS SQUARE FOOT LEFT FOR PUTTING A PARKING? UNLESS YOU PUT HOW YOU HAVE 1500 OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
YOU'D HAVE 1500 SQUARE FEET OF REQUIRED IMPER.
SO THAT REQUIRE, THAT INCLUDES THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN BUILD ON IF IT'S A, IT'S A OR 30% OF THE TOTAL PROPERTY TOTAL.
SO IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE MAXIMUM IS 43 POINT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT SO BUILDINGS IS 30%.
ON A LOT OF ALL FIVE HOMES RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD PARK THREE OR FOUR CARS AND MOST OF THEM, YOU, YOU COULD PARK ABOUT FOUR CARS.
NOW THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPACES.
SO IF YOU HAVE A A DU THAT REQUIRES TWO, ONLY TWO BEDROOM, THAT'S TWO BEDROOMS. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A FOUR SPACES, IT'S ONE PER BEDROOM.
IT'S NOT TWO NECESS NECESSARILY.
BUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO SPACES.
NOT ONLY THAT, YOU COULD GET A VARIANCE FROM IT.
BUT I'M SAYING YOU, IF YOU YEAH.
EVEN WITHOUT THE VARIANCE, IT'S AN AREA OF VARIANCE.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF THESE HOUSES WON'T REQUIRE VARIANCE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM HAVE MORE THAN TWO PARKING SPACES.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE, YOU HAVE A
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DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO, BUT I I, I, I MEAN IT'S A, IT IT HAS TO BE, UH, CASE BY CASE TO YEAH.BUT LIKE THE, THE ONE THAT WE APPROVED, THE NINE CAR SUBDIVISION, NINE HOUSE SUBDIVISIONS ON, UM, UH, THAT, UH, THAT THE FAMOUS, UH, WORTHINGTON.
THEY COULD PUT TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES IN THERE AND THAT WAS ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND, AND SO, BUT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF THEY PUT A A DU OR MAYBE THEY DON'T.
AND, AND SOME PROPERTIES YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO, I WANT TO.
SO I MEAN, IS IT NEEDED TO, I, I, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT KIND OF, OF THING'S TIED DOWN ONE MORE HURDLE TO MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE, I, I CAN TELL YOU MY GUESS, KNOWING WHAT I KNOW OKAY.
IS IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN THERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LAW.
JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE REALITY OF IT IS.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, THAT'S BEEN THE PRIMARY PUSHBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUSH THE TOWN BOARD ON.
AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WRONG ABOUT PUSHING THE TOWN BOARD.
THAT'S THE ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME BY TOWN BOARD MEMBERS.
AND I'VE TALKED TO ALL, ALL FIVE OF THEM AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER ABOUT THIS.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE BEING UNREASONABLE THERE.
IT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WE SEE IN TARRYTOWN.
AND I THINK HALF OF THE, WE FOUND, WHAT ABOUT HALF OF THE HALF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND HALF DIDN'T.
AND AGAIN, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHERE IT IS.
IF IT'S RIGHT BY, YOU KNOW, ON OLD COLONY ROAD WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, THE HARTSDALE STATION, IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE AT ALL.
SO ALSO TO POINT OUT, AS I DID THE LAST MEETING, OUR CURRENT SPECIAL PERMIT FOR RUMORS AND BORDERS REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE PER OCCUPANT.
AGAIN, MY FEELING IS YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
DO YOU REMEMBER YOU OR THE BOARD? WE BOTH, THE THREE OF US WERE ON THE BOARD.
WE PASSED THE FIRST ASSISTED LIVING LAW.
SO, AND, AND THAT NEEDED, AND GARRETT AND I ONE DAY SAT DOWN AND OH MY GOD, WHAT DO WE DO? AND THAT'S WHEN WE CHANGED.
WE PASSED A ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, SORT CARRY ON AS TO BE CHANGING IT, YOU HAVE TO YEAH.
LAWS, PARTICULARLY NEW LAWS WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT'S GONNA BE.
TO ME, THE PLACE I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS USED IS ELMWOOD.
I I WOULD, I'D BE HAPPY TO BE THE ONE THAT GO TO THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT PUTTING 25 OF THESE ON THAT PROPERTY AND BUILD IT? RIGHT.
AND ONE SPECIAL PERMIT TO PASS ALL OF THAT
I, I WOULDN'T COUNT ANY, I WOULDN'T COUNT ANY OF THOSE.
'CAUSE IT'D BE ONE, IT'D BE ONE HEARING.
I THINK IT'D BE FANTASTIC IF THEY DO THAT.
BUT IT WOULD, IT, IT WOULD MAX OUT THE NO, IT WOULD, I'D TO GO WOULD, UM, HOLD ON A SECOND JUST TO POINT SOMETHING OUT, BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPANCY ON THE PROPERTY.
IF IT'S A DEVELOPER, HOW CAN THEY ACTUALLY OOC OCCUPY SELL? THEY HAVE TO SELL IT.
THEY HAVE TO SELL IT, AND THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
IT HAS TO BE COVENANT IN THE DEED.
GETS A LITTLE TRICKY WITH THE WAY, WAY IT'SS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING DONE, DONE.
WE SHOULD FIND OUT FROM KEVIN KIERNAN WHO DEVELOPED THE CHAPPAQUA.
THEY'RE DOING IT IN CHAPPAQUA NOW, WHERE THE CONDOS, THE TWO TOP, THE TWO TOP FLOORS OF THE CONDO ARE THE BIG UNIT AND THE ADUS IN THE BASEMENT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE THESE HUGE WALKOUT BASEMENTS.
UM, AND THEY'RE DOING IT SUCCESSFULLY THERE.
I, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO KEVIN.
WE HAVE TO TALK TO KEVIN SOON.
'CAUSE OF OTHER REASONS, UM, OTHER DUTIES THAT AISHA AND I AND WALTER AND I HAVE.
BUT, UH, THAT, BUT IT, IT CAN BE DONE.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK THE WAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT, MY GUESS IS YOU'D HAVE TO DEED IT.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT, YOU'D HAVE TO DEED IT.
SO IT, IT WOULD BE A WORK IN PROGRESS OR, OR, OR THE OTHER WAY YOU CAN DO IT.
SEE, PARTICULARLY, WE THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT THE TIME.
UM, THE PRESERVE OVER HERE ON NORWOOD ROAD.
THEY HAVE ONE, THE TWO REGULAR, BUT THOSE ARE REGULAR UNITS.
IN FACT, WE TALKED ABOUT IN ELMWOOD WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOUSES, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE TOWNHOUSE IS SO DARN BIG.
THEY WERE LIKE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT TOWNHOUSES.
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AND WE SAID, WELL GEE, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THAT? AND WE SAID, WELL, FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, REMEMBER THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US 15 AFFORDABLE UNITS.WE SAID, WELL, WE, WE WON'T FINISH THE BASEMENT.
WELL WHAT IF FINISHING THAT BASEMENT MEANT IT WAS AN A DU, RIGHT? SO IT COULD BE CONVERTIBLE TO AN A DU WITH THE OWNER.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU, THAT THAT WOULD WORK.
AND, AND YOU APPROVE UP TO 25 OF THEM, YOU COULD PRE-APPROVE UP TO 25 OF 'EM.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, IT KNOW THE FOOTPRINT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE SEPARATION THING THOUGH FOR A SECOND.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, UH, K WAS TALKING ABOUT THE A VL ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED, UH, AGAINST PUTTING IN THE SEPARATION FROM, FROM THE, FROM THESE ORIGINALLY.
'CAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND AN EQUITABLE WAY TO DO IT.
SEPARATION BETWEEN ONES THE A HUNDRED FEET, YOU CAN'T HAVE OH TWO TWO WITHIN THAT A HUNDRED FEET.
THAT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
A LOT OF LAWSUITS WOULD BE, WOULD BE, IT'S LIKE A LOTTERY SYSTEM YOU'RE SENDING, I DON'T, I THINK YOU DO IT.
'CAUSE WE'VE DONE IT IN GAS STATIONS, FOR INSTANCE.
I THINK YOU WOULD LEGALLY DO IT.
THE QUESTION, DO WE WANT TO, RIGHT.
LEGALLY DOING IT, IT'S A GAS STATION IS A BUSINESS.
THIS THING IS MORE OF A, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LAWYER HERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO.
THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE DO IT? THE A VL WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, RIGHT.
AND SO THERE WAS A DEBATE BETWEEN SEPARATION DISTANCE OR PROVIDING LIKE A CRITERIA LIST TO MAYBE NOT GRANT AN A, YOU KNOW, AN A DU OF APPLICATION.
AND INITIALLY IT WAS GOING TOWARDS THOSE CHARACTERISTICS AND NOW IT'S GOING BACK TOWARDS SEPARATION DISTANCE.
THE REASON FOR THAT WAS, THE REASON FOR THAT WAS WE WEREN'T SURE IF WE HAD ENOUGH SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO DEVELOP ENOUGH SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO, TO CREATE A RECORD.
TO REJECT, TO REJECT A, A, A PERMIT.
THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE THERE ARE, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ANY OF OUR SPECIAL PERMITS IN TOWN, THERE ARE GENERALLY SIX OR SEVEN SPECIAL CRITERIA RELATED TO IF IT, IT'S A CHECKLIST THEY HAVE TO HIT, HIT THOSE CHECK MARKS.
SO IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S MY GUESS, UH, WE CAN NOT TAKE A POSITION AT ALL ON IT AND SAY, LOOK, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES TO IT.
UM, YOU MAY HAVE THE, IF YOU HAVE THREE OF THEM IN THE ROW, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM THAT, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE MAY WANT SEPARATION.
WELL, ALSO IT, IT'S, I THINK BETTER BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE A, UH, MUCH BIGGER LOT AND A SMALL LOT AND, AND YEAH, A BIGGER ONE, IT'S LESS OF A PROBLEM.
'CAUSE IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
I THINK IT'S THE ACTUAL FOOTAGE AS MUCH AS IT IS ANYTHING ELSE.
BECAUSE THE DISTANCE IS FROM THE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE IS A VERY TRICKY WAY TO REALLY SEE, WELL, NO, WOULDN'T EVERYONE'S GOTTA HAVE A TRAPEZOID? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
IF YOU TAKE, IF YOU TAKE, TAKE IT ON FRONTAGE THOUGH.
IF, IF YOU GET AN R FIVE, YOU GET A 50 FOOT FRONTAGE.
SO IF YOU DO IT AT 250 FEET, IT MEANS THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATED BY FIVE LOTS.
NOW, AN R 20 IS PROBABLY A HUNDRED FOOT, UH, FRONTAGE.
I THINK SO THAT I'D BE SEPARATED BY THREE LAWS.
BUT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, LOT OF VARIANCES AND LOT OF THINGS.
WE HAVE GIVEN IT TO THE THINGS WHICH ARE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING FOOT'S FOR.
BUT, BUT IF YOU SAY ABOUT, IF, IF IT'S LEGALIZED, LEGALIZED, EVEN IF IT'S A, IT IS FRONTAGE HAS TO BE THERE.
50 FEET HAS TO BE THERE, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE ILLEGAL.
NOT CONFORMING, BUT NOT THAT MANY.
UM, I, I CAN, I THINK WE SHOULD LET IT NOT GET INTO IT.
IT'S TOO COMPLICATED TO ENFORCE IT AND TO MONITOR IT AND, UH, OKAY.
WHY DON'T WE, I I WANT TO GET, WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT WHO'S BEEN WAITING ALL NIGHT TO GET, YEAH.
AND SO WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHEN HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE PEOPLE HERE AND, UM, DISCUSS THE, UH, WE HAVE A PRE-SUBMISSION COMING IN AND YEAH.
BUT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU CAN WRITE UP ON THIS AND WHAT TO DO IN THE REPORT? I THINK SO, UH, YEAH.
SO FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, FOR THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION, I'LL BE ADDING, UH, THAT, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDER AN EXPEDITED PROCESS TO LEGALIZE EXISTING ADUS
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FOR A SET TIMEFRAME NOT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CAP, NOT TO BE INCLUDED IN, IN, UH, THE RECOMMENDED CAB CAP.AND RELATED TO, I JUST WANNA GIVE THE BOARD FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
UM, THE CA DISTRICT IN 2008, UM, IT SAID THAT, UH, ALL EXISTING GAS STATIONS HAD TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT AND NO NEW GAS STATION WOULD BE PERMITTED.
IT GAVE GAS STATIONS 180 DAYS IN THE PASSAGE OF THAT LAW TO APPLY FOR THAT SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO THERE'S PRECEDENCE FOR THE SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME.
UM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA CONSIDER, IF YOU FEEL A LONGER TIMEFRAME TO FACILITATE MORE HOUSING IS APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND, UH, DISCUSS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD, UH, UH, NO, IT'S, IT IS A DIFFERENT, IT'S A, ITS DIFFERENT.
THERE MAY BE 500 OF THE TABLE.
THERE IS ONLY 50 GAS STATIONS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, DISCUSS WHEN, THINK ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME.
SHOULD WE HAVE SIT AT THE TABLE? SURE.
AND FOR, SO WE DID WRITE UP, UH, IN DRAFT RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE DISTANCE SEPARATION.
WE CAN, I CAN REMOVE THAT IF, UH, OR LEAVE IT IN THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? FOR THE DISCUSSION? ADDED IN THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE DIS YEAH.
SINCE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE HERE, IT'S SILLY TO HAVE YOU UP THERE.
APOLOGIZE FOR, FOR, IT WAS A LOT OF COMPLICATED THING.
WE WERE MOVING ON THEN TO, UH, CASE 24 0 5.
UM, THIS IS A PRE SUBMISSION CONFERENCE FOR A SUBDIVISION.
PLANNING FOR SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PER PERMIT ON AN UNDISTURBED LOT, I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT WHAT YOU'VE GOT, I, BY THE WAY, IN A PREVIOUS SUBMISSION, I'VE NEVER SEEN AS EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF THANK YOU.
CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC? OH, SURE.
UH, I'VE NEVER SEEN A MORE EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION IN A PRE, PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE THAN, THAN YOU SENT US.
WE'VE HAD ONES THAT EQUATE THE OFFICE OF THAT.
SO IT'S APPRECIATED WHEN YOU DO THAT DETAILED WORK UP FRONT.
WHY DON'T YOU, IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH AND, AND, AND, UM, MATT CAN PUT UP ANY SLIDES THAT YOU WANT.
LET'S STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
IT'S, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO, FOR YOUR TIME HERE.
JUST, UH, I THINK, UH, MINE IS A VERY SMALL, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD FOR FIRST.
UH, BUT, UH, I, I, I LIKE PEOPLE TO CALL ME SIMON
MY NAME IS REALLY HARD TO PRONOUNCE.
JUST, UH, THIS, UH, MY CASE IS, UH, A VERY SMALL LOT.
UH, IT'S, UH, I'M, UH, TRYING TO MAKE IT MY, UM, UH, LIKE A PRIME RESIDENTIAL.
I'M TRYING TO DOWNSIZE MY CURRENT, UH, HOUSE.
SO THAT'S, UH, MY PERSONAL, UH, LIKE VENTURE, JUST
UH, BUT OF COURSE I NEED, UH, QUITE MANY, UH, ALL SORTS, UH, LIKE, UH, SUBCONTRACTOR, THOSE KIND OF THING.
LIKE, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR IS ONLY, YEAH.
BUT MY BACKGROUND IS ARCHITECTURE, SO I DESIGN EVERYTHING BY MYSELF.
I JUST, UH, HOPE, UH, TO TAKE HIS CHILD TO LIKE, TO, TO TO HAVE A ORIENTATION.
GREENVILLE, SECOND DRIVEWAY BE HILL RIGHT BACK DOWN JENNIFER HILL.
RIGHT BACK OF THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
BUT THAT'S THAT SITE WE APPROVED FOR, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES SOME YEARS AGO, WHICH THEY NEVER BUILT UPON.
IS THIS GONNA NEED A ZONING CHANGE? IS IT IN THE DS? NO.
SO IT IS IN THE DS DISTRICT, WHICH DOES PERMIT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AS LONG AS THEY CONFORM WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE R 10 DISTRICT.
UM, THE LOT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET AND THROUGH ALONG THE REAR EDGE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE MANHATTAN BROOK.
AND ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS AN EASEMENT.
UM, THAT THE TOWN HAS TO PERFORM ANY NECESSARY MAINTENANCE WORK, UH, FOR THE BROOK IF NEEDED.
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DO YOU WANT TO, HOW MANY LOTS ARE IN THAT SOLAR PIECE OF LAND? SO WE, IT WAS SUBDIVIDED, UH, FROM, WASN'T THERE SUBDIVIDED AT ONE POINT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVER GOT DIVIDED ACTUALLY.BUT THIS IS ONE LOT JUST, UH, TRYING TO MAKE A, SO IT'S, UH, IT IS, UM, IT ACTUALLY IS A TWO LOTS.
IT'S, SO WE DO HAVE TO DO IT IN A SMALL SLIVER LOT.
SO WE HAVE TO DO A SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, SO WE HAVE TO DO A SUB SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A REV REVERSE OF A SUBDIVISION WHERE IT'S CALLED A SUBDIVISION.
SAME, SAME BOARD, SAME PROCESS.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER APPROVAL WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT'S ON.
DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU'RE COMBINING LOTS.
SO YOU OWN THE BOUGHT THE LOTS? YES.
I BOUGHT IT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND, UH, UH, BOUGHT THE LOTS.
THIS IS THE, UH, UH, SITE PLAN.
IT'S, UH, LIKE THE, THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THE, IS A SLOPE AND THEN, UH, VERY, UH, LIMITED AREA THAT I CAN BUILD, UH, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE GROUND FLOOR.
SO, UH, HERE I'M TRYING TO JUST, UH, PUT THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, LIKE FOR PARKING AND FOR, UH, UNFINISHED, UH, UTILITY AREA.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, THIS AREA IS CLOSE TO, UH, WATERCOURSE.
SO I ASSUME IN THE EXTREME WEATHER, THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UH, IS TROUBLE WITH THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM FLOODING, FROM THE, IT'S NOT FLOODING.
UH, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY, UH, WE CAN CHECK THE ARY DEPARTMENT.
I'M A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
IN, IN, HE SWIMS IN IT
UH, MOST OF THE HOMES ARE ABOVE THAT BROOK.
AND, UH, AND, UM, I WOULD ASSUME A HEAVY RANGE.
YOU MIGHT GET SOME OVERFLOW OF THE BROOK, BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WHEN THAT BROOK GOES ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND THE HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S ON A PRETTY STEEP SLOPE.
THIS WOULD BE DOWNHILL FROM THE BROOK.
THE HOUSE THIS BE UPHILL, UPHILL, UPHILL.
IT'S A UPHILL WATER DOESN'T, HE'S AN ENGINEER.
DOES WATER GO UPHILL? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO THE HOUSE WILL BE UPHILL UP UPHILL? YEAH.
THEY'RE OCCUPYING THE, PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT OF THE LOT.
I, THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED TOO.
I, I THINK IT'S A, SO IT'S A, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF A CONCRETE WALL OR SOMETHING SO THAT THE WA THE WATER DOESN'T COME IN ONTO THE, WHERE THE PARK, WELL, IT'S HIGHER.
ISN'T THE BROOK, THE BROOK IS DOWN.
BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE, I THINK WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A PARKING AT THE, IN THE BASEMENT OF THE CAR.
BASEMENT OF THE HOUSE? NO, THE HOUSE.
BUT THE BASEMENT, THE BASEMENT IS ABOVE THE BROOK.
YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YOU TO GIVE US A KIND OF CROSS SECTION TOO.
HOW DOES THAT, IT LIKE A SUMMER HOUSE? UH, IS IT, IS IT IN, UH, UH, BUFFER? WETLAND BUFFER, YES.
AND THERE'S EASEMENT ONTO THE PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN THE BROOK.
THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE 100 FOOT, UH, REGULATED BUFFER.
AND THERE'S A, I BELIEVE IT'S A 50 FOOT EASEMENT FROM THE BROOK ITSELF, UH, IN WHICH THE TOWN, UH, IF NEEDED, CAN GO IN AND PERFORM FLOOD MITIGATION.
MEASURES WE'RE MEAN IS IT'D HAVE TO MAKE WHATEVER IS BUILT HAS TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THE BROKEN.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA JUST SEC, BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY, TAKES, TAKES OVER ONLY LIKE A, WHERE IS THE BROKEN IN RELATION TO THE HOUSE ON THAT, ON THAT
SO, UH, HERE WE HAVE, UH, AT THE TIP OF THE TRIANGLE, IF YOU WILL, IS THE ENTRANCE ONTO GREENVILLE CIRCLE.
THAT'S WHERE THE, AND, AND THEN IN THE REAR, IN THIS GRAY AREA AT THE, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE PRETTY MUCH IS MANHATTAN BROOK.
THE GRAY AREA THAT HAS BEEN MARKED OFF IS THE EASEMENT AREA IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IS OKAY, ILL-ADVISED.
NOW IS, IS THE FRONTAGE GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE A, YOU CAN'T SEE, REMEMBER WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CORNER LIKE THAT, YOU CAN CHOOSE THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.
SO, UH, THIS, ON THE RIGHT HERE, IT IS ACTUALLY STILL RIGHT OF WAY FOR GREENVALE CIRCLE.
UM, IT ACTUALLY IS OWNED BY NEW YORK STATE,
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DOT.AND, UM, FOLLOWING A FORMAL SUBMISSION, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL REVIEW IT AND DETERMINE IF ANY VARIANCES ARE NEEDED FOR FRONTAGE.
I THINK YOU'D TAKE THAT AS A FRONT.
I DON'T HAVE ABOUT THE SETBACKS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, BASED UPON THIS, I, YOU SEEM TO MEET ALL THE SETBACKS, AM I CORRECT? YES.
ON ALL SIDES AND MEET ALL THE SETBACKS? YES.
SO AS IS, SO AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THE SETBACKS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO PICK WHICH SIDE IS THE FRONT.
UH, THE, UH, OTHER MUCH OF THE BACKYARD.
AND DO, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY VARIOUS AT THIS POINT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO BUILD THIS? ARE YOU AWARE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY VARIANCE THAT YOU WOULD NEED? UH, CHECK, CHECK THE ZONING.
SO SET BACK VARIANCES FOR THE PARKING, UH, WOULD BE NEEDED, UH, OF VARIANCE FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
JUST R 10 RIGHT NOW, UH, THE DRAWING, UH, PROPOSES THE DRIVEWAY TO ENCIRCLE THE HOUSE AND BE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, THE VERY LEAST SETBACK VARIANCE IS FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
NOW, WHAT IS ADJACENT TO THAT DRIVEWAY? IS THAT A STREET OR, OR SO TO THE EAST OR THE RIGHT, UH, IS, UH, UNDEVELOPED RIGHT OF WAY FOR GREENVILLE CIRCLE.
HOW ABOUT TO THE, HOW ABOUT TO THE WEST? TO THE WEST IS UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS APPROVED FOR A HOUSE THAT WAS NEVER BUILT.
AND, AND IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
DO WE KNOW IF HE'S IN THE CALCULATION? CLEARLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONTAGE ON THE ACTUAL STREET, IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE CALCULATE FRONTAGE IN OUR TOWN.
SINCE IT'S A TRIANGLE, YOU TAKE THE MIDPOINT, MIDPOINT, I BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT, THE MIDPOINT OF THE WATT AND MEASURE ACROSS.
AND YOU, WHAT ARE THESE 75 FEET FOR? OUR TEN ONE HUNDRED FEET.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE MEASURED IT, BUT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR PROPERTY LINE AT THE MIDPOINT OF YOUR PROPERTY HAS TO BE A HUNDRED FEET OR YOU'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE.
SO YOU'LL BE SOMEPLACE AROUND HERE.
LITTLE HAS TO BE A HUNDRED FEET.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, SOMETHING.
I THINK IT'S FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A CONCERN.
I MEAN, WE REALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS, CLEARLY, YOUR NEXT STEP FROM HERE IS TO GO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
GET, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE ARBITER.
OF WHAT, WHAT VARIANCES ARE NEEDED.
I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA NEED A A FEW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WITHOUT THOSE, AT LEAST AT LEAST FEW, I THINK.
BUT HE, THEY'RE THE EX THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY DETERMINE THAT.
AND THEN WE WORK WITH WHATEVER VARIANCES THAT, THAT THEY SEND TO US.
WELL, DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T GET IT VARIANCES.
IF THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT AND PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT, IT BEING A PROBLEM, YOU GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THEY SAY YES OR NO, THAT'S NOT OUR BOARD.
IT'S, IT'S THE ZONING BOARD THAT DECIDES THAT.
WE AS A PLANNING BOARD, WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, A PRE-SUBMISSION, WE JUST POINT OUT ISSUES, RED FLAGS, LIKE, OKAY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE POINTED OUT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEFINE YOUR DRIVE, UM, THE WIDTH OF YOUR DRIVEWAY BY THE PRIMARY WALL SURFACE.
AND, AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU FIND THAT, THAT THE DRIVEWAY, SO THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO RAISE WITH THE BUILDING AND THE POP, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, ESPECIALLY IN THE HILL, RED FLAGS IS THAT TEX CAN FILL IMPERIAL SURFACE THAT YOU ARE, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU WANT TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE, ALL THE COVERING THE WHOLE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IT, IT, IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A WHOLE THING IS ALL THAT AREA.
WE'RE JUST SAYING THE SAME THING.
ISN'T THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY ALSO DOESN'T THAT CALCULATE THAT WOULD, UH, COUNT EVEN, EVEN WITH THAT PERCENTAGE? YEAH, BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF IT.
AND, AND, BUT WHAT IT LOOKS TO ME, I I AM JUST EYEBALLING IT.
I WOULD SAY 60%, 65% OF THE PROPERTY IS IN PERMEABLE.
AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE REGULATION
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BY 35, NOT 10.SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS.
THIS THING IS NOT A VERY GOOD CIRCULATION FOR, THAT'S NOT GONNA FLY, I DON'T THINK.
FLY WITH THE, WITH THE THINGS I WANT.
PLUS ALSO, YOU, YOU ARE VERY NICE WOODED AREA WITH THIS KIND OF FOOTPRINT.
YOU ARE CUTTING DOWN A LOT OF TREES.
HAVE TO REPLACE, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM IN KIND, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE DOWNSIZING IT, UH, YOU HAVE SEVEN BEDROOMS AND EIGHT BATHROOMS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOWNSIZING IT
IS THAT, HOW MANY, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE HOUSE? UH, 40,000, 47.
AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE A PROBABLY PARKING FOR AT LEAST FIVE CARS UNDERNEATH.
YOU HAVE COVERED IT THE WAY IT SHOWS ON YOUR, BUT THAT'S THE SAME WHETHER THE FIVE, IT'S ABOUT SIX CARS.
HOW MANY SAY IT'S, DO YOU HAVE PICTURE OF PRETTY HUGE AMOUNT OF IT AND IT DOESN'T FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? CORRECT.
MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE FOUR BEDROOM, TWO AND A HALF IS THE LOT.
IT COULD BE JUST, UH, SO YOU JUST SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, I PUT IT WITH SOME FUNCTION.
THIS LAST QUESTION MR. LEE IS ALL THERE IS NO, NO GREEN THE YOU PRETTY MUCH NO, NO GREEN SPACE.
SO IT'S ALL, ALL COVERED AREA.
SO WE GOING BE HELP KIDS PLAYING AROUND AND TO HOUSE BACKYARD ONE AT A TIME PLEASE.
SO, UH, THE EASEMENT ALL INCLUDED, BUT IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH.
YOU USE THAT AS PART OF YOUR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT YOU, YOU CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING IN THERE.
YOU ONLY ALLOWED ABOUT 37% OF THE PROPERTY TO BE COVERED BY IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
AND BY THE WAY, UNDER OUR LAW, EVEN IF YOU DID A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, THAT COUNTS AS IMPERMEABLE IN IN GREENBURG.
EVEN EVEN GRASS PAVERS, WHICH ARE PERMEABLE ARE IMPERIAL UNDER OUR LAW.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY NEED TO CHANGE.
BUT IT IS SO THAT ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT OTHER THAN THAN GRASS OR SOMETHING IS IMPERMEABLE.
AND YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 37%, INCLUDING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
COULD WE JUST LIST THE WHOLE, THE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS BEEN GOING ON, SEVERAL COMMENTS MADE.
COULD WE JUST LIST, OKAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT.
PERMEABLE SURFACE, PERMEABLE SERVICE SURFACE GREEN.
I THINK THERE IS NO, NO, THIS LANDSCAPE, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THERE'S NO, NO BUILDING HEIGHTS.
OKAY, BUT YOU FOOTING LOOKS LIKE A WELL, IT'S THREE STORE.
THE QUESTION IS THAT THE BOTTOM STORY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BASEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD 'CAUSE IT'S A COMPLETELY ABOVE GROUND.
SO WHAT IS, DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE ROOF.
TWO AND A HALF IS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS 30, 37 AND A HALF.
UH, THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? TWO AND A HALF STORIES IS GENERALLY THE RULE.
TWO AND A HALF STORIES NOT TO EXCEED 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE, UH, R 10 DISTRICT.
AND, AND THERE'S A, THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE, HOW YOU CALCULATE THE BASEMENT.
AND ANYHOW, THAT THE BUILDING, IT'S COMPLETELY BECAUSE HOW YOU, THE BASEMENT, THERE'S SOME FORMULA THEY USE FOR CALCULATING THE HEIGHT FROM THE BASEMENT.
SO YOU NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION, UH, FROM THE BUILDING'S DEPARTMENT.
WHAT IS THE LEGAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A BASEMENT 25 LEVEL OR TWO AND A HALF, MANY FEET STORAGE, 30 FEET, 30 FEET, 30 FEET, FEET, WHICHEVER, WHICHEVER IS SMALLER.
JUST I BUT ON THE GROUND, YOU, YOU NEED TWO FLOOR.
CANNOT DO MORE THAN TWO FLOORS.
IT'S EITHER TWO, TWO, IT'S EITHER OR.
IT'S EITHER TWO AND A HALF FLOOR.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A BASEMENT, THEN ANOTHER CALCULATION COMING.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING YOU NEED
YOU KINDA GO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND ASK, HAVE HIM LOOK AT THE HE'LL, LOOK AT IT.
ANYWAY, THEY'RE VERY, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND
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BUILDING INSPECTORS.THEY'RE NOT THERE TO HURT YOU.
AND THEY DO A DARN GOOD JOB OF GETTING, DOING THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WE SAID IT WAS THE CIRCULAR, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, FIRST OF ALL WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
SECOND OF ALL, THE CIRCULATION IS A BIT, BIT MUCH.
WELL, AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE WIDTH IS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IS? IT'S PROBABLY 15, 15 FEET.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 15 FEET.
AND THEN THE BACK IS, UH, FEET.
I NEED THAT EXTRA 10 FOOT, FIVE AND FIVE INCHES.
SO, SO THIS, SO THIS, YOU HAVE TO CLARIFY IF THE DRIVEWAY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S, THAT WORKS, THAT WORKS VERSUS WHAT ALL THAT, THAT FOR, UH, ONE LANE IS WELL, THE, THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, JUST FROM A PLAN, JUST FROM A SITE PLAN POINT OF VIEW, WHICH WE DO LOOK AT IS WHETHER THAT IS NECESS, EVEN IF YOU WERE CLOSE TO THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE, WHICH I AM CONFIDENT YOU'RE NOT, WE WOULD QUESTION THAT JUST BE JUST FROM PROPER PLANNING POINT OF VIEW.
WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY.
I REMEMBER, I FORGET, REMEMBER A HUGE THING.
WE'VE HAD THAT SAME SITUATION HAPPEN.
AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT PRESERVE GREEN SPACE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS WE CAN.
WE LIKE TO TAKE DOWN AS FEW TREES AS WE CAN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE THAT WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO AND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT WE HAVE A VERY, VERY COMPREHENSIVE TREE LAW IN THE, IN OUR TOWN FOR THAT REASON.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE, THE ENVELOPE.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I USE THOSE, UH, IMPER, THE PERMEABLE PAPER? THEY DON'T, THEY YES, THEY HELP, BUT THEY UNFORTUNATELY, AT THIS POINT IN OUR CALCULATION, THAT'RE CONSIDERED IMPERMEABLE.
IF YOU SEE THE GRAVEL OR THE IMPER, THE PERUS PAVERS, I'M SURE KOREA, WHO'S A BIG FAN OF, OF PUR PAPERS.
THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU ARE COVERING THE WHOLE LOT WITH HER, WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH A, WITH SORT OF LIKE A HARD SURFACE.
SO THE QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE NOT, NOT A SPEC OF GRASS ON THE WHOLE.
SO THE QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE YOU ACHIEVE, BUT YOUR PARKING DESIRES, IF YOU ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, PORTIONS OF THE DRIVEWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE EASTERN SECTION ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, CAN YOU JUST DO AWAY WITH THAT AND JUST HAVE CARS GOING UP THE EASTERN SIDE COME BACK OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA FORMULATE IT.
IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HOW YOU WANT THE CIRCULATION, UM, TO BRING IT DOWN AND TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGES.
ALSO, THE VICTIMS OF THE DIRECTOR IS A SIX CAR GARAGE.
UH, TO WE HAVE TO, IT'S ONE, IT'S A MATTER OF MATH TOO.
REMEMBER THAT YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LIMIT WHICH IS 37.5%.
SO EITHER THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE HAS TO CHANGE OR THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE TO CHANGE, OR BOTH HAVE TO CHANGE TO GET YOU WITHIN THAT THIRD.
THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION YOU HAVE.
BUT CONSIDERING THAT A POSSIBILITY, IF YOU, LIKE MATT SAID, YOU ELIMINATE ONE SIDE AND THEN YOU JUST USING THIS SIDE.
SO ALL OF THIS NOW IT COULD BE GRASS OR WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, WE'D BE VERY HAPPY ON, ON THE PART THAT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE THE DRIVEWAY IF IT WAS PERMEABLE PAY PAPERS.
BUT EVEN EVEN THAT, I MEAN THIS IS TOO MUCH OF NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.
YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME, THERE IS NO GRASS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU WILL ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A MORE, MORE OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH SO MUCH OF A PARKING UNDERNEATH AND SIX CAR PARKING, WHICH IS ANOTHER ISSUE, WHICH IS LANDSCAPING.
ANYBODY HAS A SIX CAR PARKING.
SO YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, FOR THE TREES THAT YOU REMOVE, WE DO HAVE A REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT.
UH, AS THIS IS, UH, CONSIDERED AN UNDEVELOPED WOOD LOT.
IT'D BE 30% OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE OF THE TREES THAT ARE TAKEN DOWN.
UH, SO YOU'D HAVE TO CONSIDER WHERE AND HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO PLANT REPLACEMENT TREES FOR THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, UH, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE AND DRIVEWAY AND, AND LOOK AROUND THE YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT AND AND TRUTHFULLY, THE OTHER THING WE ALWAYS LOOK AT IS LANDSCAPE.
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IS PART OF WHAT IS CALLED THE SEEKER PROCESS, WHICH IS A STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, WHICH WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF IT, IF YOU NEED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING TO FIT WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS DRAINAGE.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT CULT TAX AND, AND WHERE ALL THAT STUFF IS GONNA GO? YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW ANOTHER LAW.
OKAY, WE HAVE LOTS OF THEM HERE,
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE BUILD, WE BUILD NICE.
OUR PEOPLE ARE HAPPY AND BUILD NICE PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF IT.
BECAUSE JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, OUR JOB IS TWOFOLD.
ONE, TO TRY TO HELP YOU DO SOMETHING THAT FITS, THAT YOU, THAT CAN CAN PASS FOSTER TWO.
WE STILL NEED TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE A BALANCING JOB AS OUR BOARD.
AND IT ISN'T EASY SOMETIMES TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE WORK WITH YOU TO TRY TO GET, GET WHAT YOU NEED TO FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY? THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO.
SO THAT'S WHY THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING BECOME VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT DRAINAGE.
THE LAW ON DRAINAGES, YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY THAN THE PRE-DEVELOPED.
NOW, WHEN YOU'RE TAKING DOWN THAT MANY TREES, THE RUNOFF INCREASES SIGNIFICANTLY.
TREES TAKE UP A LOT OF WATER AND YOU'RE UPHILL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S BELOW HIM, THIS PROPERTY.
DO YOU KNOW THE STREAM, THE STREAM, THE STREAM BEYOND THIS, IS THERE ANYTHING BEYOND THE STREET THAT IT'S KIND OF IN A VALLEY? THE OTHER SIDE OF IT,
OKAY, WELL YOU DON'T WANNA FLOOD PARENT PLANNED PARENTHOOD EITHER.
BUT THE, THE POINT IS THAT YOU HAD REQUIRED BY LAW TO SHOW AN ENGINEERING STUDY THAT PROVE, PROVE ANALYSIS.
THAT PROVES THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAINTAIN AT LEAST MAINTAINING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER ON PROPERTY.
IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO BEYOND THAT BECAUSE THE STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED AND 'CAUSE WE GET MORE RAIN NOW THAN WE EVER HAVE BEFORE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WORK WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING THERE? THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON? MM-HMM?
AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DRAINAGE.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START REMOVING TREES AND BUILDING IMP PERMEABLE SURFACE, YOU NEED SOMEWHERE TO SLOW THE WATER DOWN.
'CAUSE IT RUST WILL JUST RUN STRAIGHT OFF.
SO WHAT YOU DO IS PUT IN THESE HOLDING TANKS THAT GRAB THE WATER AND THEN SLOWLY, SLOWLY DISSEMINATE THE WATER.
THAT'S WHAT THESE CULT TECHS, WE CALL CULT TECHS.
THIS MAN'S AN ENGINEER IN THAT AREA.
PROBABLY HAVE DONE MORE CULT TECHS THAN ANYBODY I KNOW.
NO, BUT, UH, BUT, BUT, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO REALLY HAVE SOME ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT.
HOW MUCH OF WATER, UH, YOU GO, UH, PUTTING BACK, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT BACK THE THINGS, BUT YOU'RE SHOWING IT'S BY ARROW.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DRAINAGE, LIKE THE DIFFERENT MARKINGS ON THERE? EITHER RIGHT NOW THERE'S, UH, LIKE, UH, LIKE A SEW DRAINAGE THERE FOR THE CITY.
UH, JUST RIGHT NOW IT'S RUSHED DOWN TO MY LOT AND, UH, I I, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE JUST, UH, TO SLOW THAT DOWN, THOSE KIND OF, UH, PIPES AND, UH, CONDUCT IT A LITTLE BIT TO THE, TO THE, WHAT YOU DON'T WANNA DO IS OVERLOAD IT THOUGH.
YOU CAN OVERLOAD STORM DRAINS PRETTY EASILY.
JUST DRIVE DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE, NEAR FIVE, FOUR CORNERS ON A RAINY DAY, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT AN OVERLOADED STORM DRAIN LOOKS LIKE.
UM, OH, OH, THE, SO RIGHT NOW IN THAT PROPERTY THERE IS A, UH, STORM DRAIN, RIGHT? STORM DRAIN YOU SAID? YEAH.
WHERE IS THAT? IS IT RIGHT OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY? IT'S NOT ON MY PROPERTY.
THAT'S BUT THE BUT THE WATER RUNS ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
SO, SO YEAH, I NEED TO, WHAT'S FROM WHAT SIDE IS THAT? THE EAST SIDE.
STILL NOT, NOT TOO MUCH, WHICH IS LONG ROAD, BUT STILL I WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT TO IS ALSO MAINTAIN, IF YOU DO THE CAL, YOU CAN PROBABLY PICK, NOT ONLY CAN YOU PICK UP THE WATER THAT YOU ARE GENERATING AS A RESULT OF PERMEABLE SURFACE, YOU MAY, YOU CAN PROBABLY GENERATE A SYSTEM THAT'LL PICK UP THAT WATER TOO.
SO YOU'RE KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.
BUT AN ENGINEER CAN DEFINITELY HELP YOU DO THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD DEPEND UPON HOW MUCH WOOD.
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NOW IF THE TOWN HAVE A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT'S POURING WATER ONTO HIS PROPERTY, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT NOW CALL GOVERNOR HOEL.YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE TOWN.
SO MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A COMBINATION.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME HELP.
THEY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WORK COMING ONTO YOUR PROPERTY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THE PROPERTY NEXT TO YOU IS NEW YORK STATE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET TO PROBABLY THE, THE DECI WOULD ASSUME.
UH, I ASSUME, RIGHT? FIVE GI DON'T THINK SO.
WOULD IT BE USE LIKE A OFF STORM DRAIN? MAYBE THEIR DPW, NEW YORK STATE DT.
MAYBE I JUST PROTECT MY DT THEN DPW MAKES SENSE.
MAKE A CONCRETE, DEPENDS WHO'S RIGHT AWAY.
KEEP IT RIGHT NOW WE GET LOST.
I MAKE THE SAME SIZE, YOU KNOW, PIPE JUST CONDUCTOR, WHATEVER.
BUT, BUT YOU NEED, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SLOW THE WATER.
YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE SPEED OF THE RUNOFF BY TAKING DOWN TREES AND BUILDING IN FROM YOUR SURFACE.
THAT'S BY DEFINITION WHAT HAPPENS.
SO THE, THE OBJECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A DRAINAGE PLAN IS INSTEAD OF JUST LETTING IT JUST COMPLETELY RUN OFF, EVEN IF IT IS GOING INTO A STORM DRAIN, CAN'T DO THAT UNDER OUR LAW.
'CAUSE THAT MEANS YOU'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF COMING OFF THE PROPERTY VERSUS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
SO WHAT YOU DO INSTEAD IS PUT THESE, THESE, A DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THAT AND A RAINSTORM HOLDS THE WATER AND THEN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME IT, IT JUST DISSEMINATES THE WATER, SLOW IT DOWN.
SO THE NET EFFECT IS THE SAME OR BETTER IN MOST CASES, WE'RE ABLE TO, TO ACHIEVE BETTER THAN WHAT WAS PRE THE PREBUILT CONDITION.
PERFECT EXAMPLE IS WHAT WE JUST DID IN OUR OLD COLONY ROAD.
SO REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A PROPERTY, UM, THAT THE GENTLEMAN DESIGNED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DRAINAGE SYSTEM WE HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.
AND IT WAS SIMILAR TO THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS ON A STEEP SLOPE.
UM, MY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT CAN HELP, BUT YOU COULD CREATIVE GET A GOOD CREATIVE CIVIL ENGINEER TO HELP YOU.
AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF 'EM AROUND.
SO ACTUALLY I KNOW WHO PERFECTLY WOULD BE ALSO, I THINK THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING IS DOESN'T YOU GO LOOK AROUND THE HOUSES AROUND, UH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, MY, MY PROBLEM, THE, THE SHAPE OF THE LOT, UH, REALLY LIMITED.
SO RIGHT NOW I JUST HAVE TO JUST, UH, TRACE BACK FROM THE BOUNDARY, UH, TO TO TO THE SHAPE OF, OF THE PROPERTY.
JUST GO LOOK THE STILL, I'M ALSO ARCHITECT.
SO YOU NEED TO REALLY BUILD SOMETHING THAT FITS INTO THE NEIGHBOR WHAT YOUR RENDERING SHOWS IS LIKE A, LIKE OFFICE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE COLOR OR SOMETHING.
I WILL TRY TO CONFORM THE COMMUNITY.
JUST, JUST LOOK RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY IS HERE.
SO IT IS REALLY, UH, I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST, UH, LIKE A HIDDEN
I, I WOULD JUST LOOK AROUND BECAUSE, UH, WON'T BE TOO, YEAH, I KNOW WHAT SIX SIX PARKINGS.
IT'S MUCH, IT'S MUCH LARGER THAN, MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT'S AROUND THERE FOR SURE.
SEVEN BEDROOMS, EIGHT BATHROOMS. DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, AND A SIX PARKING SPACES IS A PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY HUGE.
SO PEOPLE WILL ASK QUESTION ABOUT AND YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL ASK, OKAY, MATT, WHAT YOU WANT? SAY, JUST GO AND GO CHECK ON WHAT'S IN.
I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE THIS, THAT YOU MIGHT, YOU, YOU MIGHT BE CURIOUS ABOUT FOR YOUR THREAT.
I OUT
BEFORE, COME BACK TO THE BOARDS TOO.
STAN, YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GO TO, FIRST OF ALL, I'D GO GET AN ENGINEER.
I WOULD GO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
YOU CAN DO THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS IN WESTCHESTER.
YOU CAN WATCH OLD, OLD PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.
YOU'LL FIND A WHOLE BUNCH OF 'EM IF YOU WANT.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE PHONE BOOK OR ON THE INTERNET.
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A PHONE BOOK ANYMORE EXCEPT ME.UM, THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THEY WILL GO THROUGH ALL WHAT THE VARIANCES WOULD BE AS AS YOU HAVE IT NOW.
AND WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU SEE THESE VARIANCES, YOU GO, GEE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SO LARGE THAT MAYBE I SHOULD FIX IT? LIKE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE AT 60% IMPERIAL SURFACE IN 37 AND A HALF IS WHAT'S ALLOWED.
THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU A SIGNAL THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH ONE.
PROBABLY A TOUGH ONE TO GET THROUGH A ZONING BOARD.
PROBABLY, AND I NEED TO ADJUST, BUT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
THEY'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, BOY, THIS SEEMS LIKE A HUGE VARIANCE.
AND THEY, THEY PRETTY MUCH KNOW AND PEOPLE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO.
SO THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO BE HELPFUL AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY OF DOING THIS.
BUT WE DO HAVE LAWS FOR REASON, YOU KNOW, CODE FOR REASON, WHICH A LOT OF IT THESE DAYS IS ENVIRONMENT.
A LOT OF IT, UH, RIGHT NOW, I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, I CALCULATE THE, UH, FOOTAGE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE, UM, REQUIREMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, LIKE, UH, 29% SOMETHING OF THE, UH, LOT.
IT'S, UH, BECAUSE THE LOT IS, IS A COMBINED LOT.
SO THAT'S WHY NO, I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AT LEAST AT THE, THE DRAWING, WHEN YOU ADD IN THE DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE GONNA BE, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE WAY, WAY OVER THE IMPER SURFACE.
I, IT'S JUST THAT I EYE INVOLVED IT BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL SIT THERE AND TELL, TELL YOU EXACTLY.
HE'LL CALCULATE IT TO WHAT IT IS.
BUT I'M JUST TELL, I'M JUST TELLING YOU UP FRONT.
DON'T BE SURPRISED IF HE TELLS YOU THAT, HEY, THAT YOU'RE AT 60 SOMETHING PERCENT.
WELL, IS IT 29% YOU'RE SPEAKING OF INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY? NO, THAT'S THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
I'M I'M ASKING IS IT, IS THE 29% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY AT THE POINT INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY? YES.
THE 29, YOUR 29% CALCULATION, THAT WAS JUST THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, WELL YOU JUST SAID IT WAS THAT HOUSE HAS A FOOTPRINT, YOU DIVIDED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE INTO THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU GOT 29%.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, COMBINE EACH FLOOR, IT'S ALL TOGETHER.
NOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION.
SO YOU NEED TO INCLUDE, THAT'S FA, THAT'S FAR.
YOU NEED TO INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UH, OR PREFERABLE THERE TWO DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS, WHICH IS HOW MUCH LIVING SPACE YOU CAN HAVE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THE OTHER IS HOW MUCH OF THE SURFACE YOU CAN COVER CAN BE IN PERMEABLE, DOES IT? TWO DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS.
HAVE YOU DONE THE FAR CALCULATION ON YOUR PROPERTY? THAT'S WHAT HE, WHAT HE SAID HE DID.
WAS FAR HE CALCULATED THE TOTAL LIVING SPACE OF THE HOUSE AND DIVIDED IT INTO THE, THE SIDE, THE TWO LOTS COMBINED.
RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
I, I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND BUILDING, WHAT'S THE CODE ON R 10? ON FAR, DO YOU KNOW? UM, SO DISTRICT GOES BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT.
TOTAL NATURE AS I RECALL HIS, THIS AREA FROM FIVE, FIVE THIRTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE IS A, A BIG EASEMENT HERE AND THEN I CANNOT TOUCH.
BUT, UH, PART OF THE WATCH FOR CALCULATION PURPOSES.
YEAH, YOU CAN USE THAT FOR YOUR CALCULATION.
IS A 28 JUST, YOU CAN'T BILL ON IT.
SO HE IS RIGHT ON THE BOARD, RIGHT ON THE CUSP IN THAT CASE.
THE, THE GREEN ARROW IS, IS OR WOULD BE ENOUGH? I, I DON'T, I DON'T LOOKING AT THAT, I DON'T THINK SO.
DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CALCULATED.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH AN ENGINEER, THEY WOULD CALCULATE THE AREA, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE COVER, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PAVEMENT COVER.
UH, THAT TOTAL CALCULATION HAS TO BE 37.25% OR LESS IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CANNOT DO MORE THAN, YOU MEAN FOR LOT IS THAT LOT? I INCLUDE THOSE.
ANYTHING YOU'RE COVERING WITH WHAT? IMPERMEABLE CRAWL IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
SO ANYTIME YOU'RE TAKING OUT DIRT AND PUTTING A DRIVEWAY IN, WHETHER IT BE GRAVEL, PERVIOUS PAVERS OR OUR CONCRETE ASPHALT, DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S IMPERMEABLE UNDER OUR CODE.
IF YOU HAVE A SECOND FLOOR ON THIRD WALL, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
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THAT'S FLOOR AREA RATIO.THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT CALCULATION.
SO REALLY I THINK SITTING WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AS SOON AS YOU CAN, WOULD BE A GREAT FIRST MOVE.
YOU CAN LOOK UP, YOU KNOW, I WOULD USE, UH, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS LOCAL LAW FOR AN ENGINEER.
I CAN'T RECOMMEND ONE, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM THAT, THAT COME THROUGH HERE.
WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COME THROUGH HERE THAT ARE VERY, VERY GOOD AND COULD HELP YOU.
'CAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND, FIRST OF ALL, THEY WORK WITH THE TOWN ALL THE TIME AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE TOWN LOSS.
YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF THEM OUTSIDE, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE A LEARNING CURVE TOO.
THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT FOR YOU.
WE'VE HAD GOOD ONES COME FROM OUTSIDE.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOT, MANY TREES TO BE PLANTED ON.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING PLANT THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE IT.
THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US TOO.
LANDSCAPING PLAN AND DRAINAGE DRAIN.
WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS? BUT AGAIN, THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE THE, HE ALSO NEEDS TO DO AN F HE HAS A LOT OF STUFF YESTERDAY.
JUST AS I SAID, TAKE IT A STEP AT A TIME AND JUST GO THROUGH, THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THERE.
ALL RIGHT GUYS, GUYS, CONSIDER THE TIME.
IS THERE A COMPONENT WHERE YOU ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK? NOT IN A WORK, NOT IN A WORK SESSION.
OH, NOT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
THAT'S FOR THE TOWN BOARD BOARD.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA SAY, LET US CLOSE THE MEETING.
YOU CAN COME AND TALK TO US FOR A SECOND.
BUT LET'S CLOSE THE MEETING AND, AND SHUT OFF THE, UH, RECORDING.