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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD DRAFT AGENDA WEDNESDAY, March 18, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
OKAY.UH, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING, UH, ON MARCH 18TH.
UH, IT WORKED FOR A B, C WITH FOOTBALL, SO WE THOUGHT WE'D TRY IT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD THIS WEEK.
UH, HOWARD COSELL WAS NOT AVAILABLE, SO I HAVE AARON BY MY SIDE INSTEAD.
UH, SERIOUSLY, THE REASON WHY IT GOT MOVED TO MONDAY IS, UH, WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THERE'S GONNA BE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION, UH, ON, UH, ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF EDGEMONT CORPORATION.
THAT'LL BE IN THIS ROOM STARTING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
UM, IT'S ALSO, UH, GONNA BE STREAMED BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPECTING A FAIRLY LARGE CROWD.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN THAT, UM, FEEL FREE TO ATTEND ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
SO, WITH THAT, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE, DO ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO.
I HAD ONE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MATERIAL OR NOT KNOW IF WE DISCUSSED THIS ON THE LETTER THAT WE HAD AGREED TO DO ONE LETTER TO BOTH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND, AND, AND TOWN BOARD.
THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
IT WAS NOT THAT IT WAS NOT SAID THAT WAY IN THE MEETING.
WE'LL LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SO MOVED.
LESLIE AND WALTER? ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE, I'LL OPPOSE.
IS THAT AN AYE? OPPOSED? OR IS THAT A YES, JOHANN.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IN CORRESPONDENCE.
ONE OF THEM IS, UH, WE DID, OUR LETTER ACTUALLY DID HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE PROJECT IN EDGEMONT.
UM, TODAY I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM GARRETT, UH, THAT, UH, THE TOWN HAS NOW SUGGESTED TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, THAT THEY NEED, THAT THEY SHOULD BE BUILDING SIDEWALKS, UH, AT THE ARTILLERY LANE ACCESS ROAD.
NOW, THAT'S NOT EVERYTHING WE WE HAD IN THE CONCERNS, BUT THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL ABIDE BY THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TOWN.
SO AGAIN, I KNOW THAT WAS A DIFFICULT THING.
I APPRECIATE US BEING ABLE TO DO THAT AND HAVING AT LEAST SOME POSITIVE EFFECT.
UM, THE OTHER THING, I JUST WANTED TO GO AROUND THE ROOM FOR PATTY'S SAKE.
UM, I, I TRIED AND I TALKED TO, AND SO GARRETT, UH, TRIED TO CONVINCE THE TOWN BOARD THAT UH, THERE SHOULD BE MORE, MORE THAN JUST TUITION, UH, REIMBURSEMENT FOR SARATOGA.
UM, SAID THEY ONLY, THEY, THEY ONLY WANNA PAY FOR THE TUITION.
SO BASED ON THAT, JUST SO PATTY KNOWS AND PATTY NEEDS TO CANCEL, TRY TO CANCEL AND GET MONEY BACK FOR THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GOING, WHO IS STILL GOING TO SARA TO MICHAEL.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVEN'T DECIDED.
I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW TOMORROW.
'CAUSE I MAY, I MAY GO, BUT I'M, I PROBABLY WON'T.
SO EVERY, NO ONE ELSE IS GOING SAME UNDECIDED.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE? SO SOONER THE BETTER BECAUSE PATTY HAS TO DO IT.
WHY DON'T WE DO IT BY WEDNESDAY? TELL PATTY BY WEDNESDAY.
YOUR OUT OF POCKET WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE WHAT? 500? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE HOTEL IS 3 53 PLUS YOU FIGURE MEALS.
RIGHT? THREE 50 FOR TWO NIGHT'S.
AND THEN YOU FIGURE MEALS AND TRANSPORTATION.
WHY SHOULD COME KEEP ME COMFORT.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY, IT'S VERY GOOD MEETING.
AND IF WE EVEN SENT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THERE IN SARATOGA WAS A LOT OF FUN.
AND, AND I KNOW MICHAEL KNOWS A REALLY GOOD GERMAN RESTAURANT WE WENT TO LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE THERE.
NOW CAN WE, UH, THE REMAINING MONEY, IF YOU DON'T GO, CAN GIVE IT TO I TRIED THAT.
THEY SAID, NO, IT CAN ONLY BE FOR TUITION.
I WAS BACK AND FORTH WITH GARRETT THREE TIMES.
AND, AND THE TOWN BOARD WAS ADAMANT, FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN, GARRETT, WE NEED TO HELP GARRETT AND GET MORE TRAINING FOR EVERYBODY.
THE HIS TRAINING BUDGET IS FOR THE, HIS TRAINING BUDGET COVERS HIS STAFF LIKE AARON
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AND, AND MATTHEW AND EVERYBODY ELSE.US AND ALL THE OTHER VOLUNTEER LANDERS BOARDS.
I THINK IT'S THE HISTORIC BOARD.
SO FOUR BOARDS PLUS HIS STAFF.
WHICH IS DISAPPOINTING THE TOWN BOARD GIVE A REASON FOR REFUSING YOUR REQUEST.
YOU KNOW, AND, UH, UH, IT, IT'S ONE OF THE BEST MEETINGS I HAVE ATTENDED.
I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING BOARD FOR, WHAT, 16 YEARS.
SO ALL, ALL THE MEETINGS I'VE GONE TO, THIS IS SINGULARLY THE BEST MEETINGS.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS PLANNING BOARD, WE MEET TWICE A MONTH.
MOST OTHER BOARDS EXCEPT FOR THE TOWN BOARD MEET.
ONCE WE MEET TWICE A MONTH, WE GO ON SITE VISITS.
AND, UM, AND TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO DIG INTO OUR POCKETS TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $500 TO GO TO THIS MEETING, I THINK IS TOTALLY UNREASONABLE.
YOU KNOW, I DECIDE TO GO OUTTA PRINCIPLE 'CAUSE I JUST NOT TO GO, I MEAN, NOT TO GO OUTTA PRINCIPLE.
AND MIKE MICHAEL ACTUALLY PAID HIS OWN TUITION.
BUT I THINK THAT'S UN UNREASONABLE.
UM, GIVEN THAT, SO JUST LET IT, YOU AND I BOTH NEED TO GET BACK TO PATTY BY WEDNESDAY.
I, I HAVE TO BE OUTTA TOWN ON THAT FRIDAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHETHER I CAN HANDLE THE OTHER THREE DAYS OUT OF TOWN.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING FIRST IN HERE.
UH, CASE 2320, WHICH IS 1 0 1 REALTY.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK.
BARBARA'S READY I THINK, BUT WE NEED TO GO UP ON, ON, ON STAGE FOR THAT.
WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
IT'S CASE PB 2320 TO DISCUSS WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVED.
A, A PROPOSED CONVERSION OF A DELI SPACE, UH, WITH INCIDENTAL DINING INTO RESTAURANT USE.
THIS IS A 24 TERRYTOWN ROAD, UH, RIGHT OFF OF ONE NINE, WHICH IS OFF ONE 19.
AND THE ENTRANCE IS ACTUALLY ON OLD CCO ROAD.
UM, WE HEARD THIS AND SENT IT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THE ZONING BOARD HAD TO, TO APPROVE THE USE, UH, WHICH THEY DID, UH, AT WHICH THEY DID FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
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THE DRIVE THROUGH.UH, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE COURT THE ROLE FOR US, YOUR HONOR? SURE.
WE ALSO HAVE OUR ALTERNATE MS. SPARKS HERE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND PRESENT, UH, THEIR PROPOSAL SO THAT EVERYBODY NOT ONLY THE BOARD CAN REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, BUT THE PUBLIC, UH, CAN HEAR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOUR HONOR.
DO YOU NEED ME TO SHARE THE PLAN IF YOU HAVE IT? YEAH, I DO.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, MY NAME IS ERNIE TAR TAG LEON, OWNER OF 1 0 1 REALTY, UH, LOCATED AT 24 TARRYTOWN ROAD.
UM, WE'RE HERE, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, SEEKING, UH, A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR ADDITIONAL SEATING, UH, FROM EIGHT SEATS TO 30.
UM, LAST MEETING, YOU GUYS GR UH, GAVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND WE HAD TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD TO GET THE VARIANCES APPROVED.
LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THEY APPROVED THEM AT THE LAST MEETING AND, UM, WE'RE BACK HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SO IT'S, AS I UNDERSTAND, THEY APPROVED THE VARIANCE ARE APPROVED BY THE 20 BOARD, CORRECT? YES.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THEY APPROVED IT AS SUBMITTED, IS THAT RIGHT? SO TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T SEE THE, THE WRITING THAT THEY HAD.
I JUST, I LISTENED TO IT AFTERWARDS.
UM, AND THEY, THEY APPROVED BOTH OF THE, THE PARKING, THE REQUEST, THE PARKING AND, AND, AND THE OTHER DIVISION AS WELL.
THERE WAS A PARKING, THERE WAS A PARKING WAIVER IN THERE AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND, AND THE USE OF THE, THE REMOVAL OF WHAT CONDITION FROM THE PREVIOUS EBA OR TO ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A RESTAURANT RESTAURANT CORRECT.
TO USE A DRIVE THROUGH? CORRECT.
UM, QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TELL US WHO DO YOU HAVE BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WOULD GO, WHAT TYPE OF OPERATION WOULD GO IN THERE NOW, THE LAST TIME, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY FURTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE RECRUITING OR WE'RE GONNA GO BACK.
WE HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WERE GONNA CALL THAT WERE INTERESTED WITH MORE SEATING PRIOR AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GIVE YOU MORE SEATING NOW.
UM, BUT WE WERE WAITING TO GET THIS ALL FINALIZED BEFORE WE EVEN WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
AND YOU KNOW ABOUT THE RESTRICTION, THE QSRS ARE RIGHT.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS.
WE GOT TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THAT THEY HAD WAS UNDER FEDERAL LAW, UM, A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM IS REQUIRED FOR A RESTAURANT.
RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE YOUR RESTROOM FACILITIES ARE DOWNSTAIRS.
SO IF, IF IT WAS USED AS A RESTAURANT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M PRETTY SURE YOU CONFIRMED THIS, AARON, IS IF SOMEBODY RENTED IT AND THEY DIDN'T WANT, UH, MORE THAN EIGHT SEATS AND USE IT AS INCIDENTAL DINING, THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT A RESTROOM UPSTAIRS.
BUT ANYBODY WHO IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA USE IT AS A RESTAURANT WOULD PUT A, A RESTROOM UPSTAIRS.
OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S THE ISSUE WITH THAT.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT, THEREFORE WE NEED TO SEE A PLAN WITH THAT RESTAURANT.
HOW DO WE NEED THE PLAN? WE CAN'T APPROVE THE PERMIT WITHOUT THAT PLAN.
OKAY, SO YOU, YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED A PLAN WITH A BATHROOM UPSTAIRS INCLUDE THAT INCLUDES THE HANDICAPPED BATH AT A SEXUAL BATHROOM.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, THE WHOLE IDEA OF GETTING THAT PERMIT IS IT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO BRING IN A A A 10 A TENANT.
SO, SO IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THAT, WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT SEEING A PLAN FOR US THAT INCLUDES, AS PART OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT, THAT HANDICAP BATHROOM, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVE THE PERMIT WITHOUT THAT.
SO WHAT IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT NINE SEATS? DOESN'T MATTER.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT NOW.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT, BUT I NEED, IT HAS TO BE A PLAN TO, TO CLARIFY, I THINK TO YOUR POINT IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING IF THERE'S LESS SEATING, WOULD YOU STILL NEED THE BATHROOM ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR? YEAH.
LET'S SAY IF'S LET'S SAY IF THE USE WAS THE SAME, LET'S SAY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME AND OPEN NESTOS TOMORROW WITH EIGHT SEATS, WHY DO I NEED TO PROVIDE A PLAN NOW IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE IT AS A RESTAURANT, WHY COULDN'T THAT BE WITH LIKE BUILDING WHEN WE HAVE A TENANT THAT SAYS WE'RE GONNA USE IT.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS? WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO, AND, AND AMANDA, IF YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER, ANOTHER OPTION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ON THIS.
UM, YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE YOU BASICALLY CARTE BLANCHE OKAY.
TO, TO PUT A RESTAURANT IN THERE.
HOW CAN THIS BOARD APPROVE THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER A BATHROOM IS VIABLE, A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, BUT BATHROOM IS VIABLE? I DON'T
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KNOW HOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DIDN'T APPROVE THE BATHROOM UPSTAIRS, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A RESTROOM.THE POINT IS, I'M, WE CAN'T, AND WE DON'T APPROVE THINGS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT WHAT WE APPROVE CAN MEET CODE.
SO I MEAN, IT IS A FAIR POINT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE.
I COULD HAVE HAD THAT READY, YOU KNOW, THIS MEDIAN WE COULD HAVE HAD IT DONE WITH BY NOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER A MONTH TO COME BACK.
IT'D BE THE, THE NEXT MEETING.
IT ALSO COULD BE CONDITIONED ON YOU SUPPLYING THE, WHAT WE CA CAN DO.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON IT TONIGHT ANYWAY.
THE RECORD IS KEPT OPEN FOR 10 DAYS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE COULD ACTUALLY, IF WE DID, WHEN WE DO VOTE ON IT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT BY THEN, IT COULD BE CONDITIONED THAT, THAT THIS PERMIT IS ONLY VALID.
UH, WITH THAT WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT EVEN THEN I'D WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT BEFORE PRO FORTH.
SO THEY SHOULD GET THE CLEAN SO THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR GOOD INTEREST ALSO WHEN YOU GO OUT AND NEGOTIATE WITH WHOEVER IT IS TO HAVE THIS PROVISION SO THEY DON'T COME BACK AND START USING IT.
AND AS AN OWNER, I'M JUST, YOU GET CITED BY THE TOWN INSPECTORS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT PERMITTED.
WHOEVER'S RENTING, THERE'S GONNA BE A BATHROOM.
BUT I'M, I'M JUST THINKING, TRYING TO SAVE, SAVE COSTS.
LIKE WHY DO I HAVE TO GO TO, TO GO GET PLANS MADE UP FOR, BECAUSE YOU'RE APPLYING FOR PERMIT FOR RESTAURANT.
BUT IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE USED AS A RESTAURANT, IT'S JUST LIKE THE DON PERMIT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING WOULD BE IF THEY DO SHOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE A BATHROOM FACILITY BE LOCATED.
THAT'S HOW YOU DO DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, ANY USER OF THE SPACE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA ON WHERE IT COULD BE LOADED LOCATED OR HOW IT'S, THAT CONCERNS ME GENERALLY WHEN WE APPROVE THESE THINGS.
WE KNOW THAT, THAT THEY, THAT THAT CAN BE COMPLIANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OF WHERE IT WOULD GO.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WOULD PUT THE BATHROOM NOW.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
THAT, BECAUSE IT, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, UH, FRANKLY, RECENT, RECENTLY.
WE GET, WE GOT SOMETHING FROM, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS.
WE GOT SOMETHING FROM, FROM SOMEBODY AND WE LOOKED INTO IT FROM THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU PUBLIC FOR DOING THAT.
CAN CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD A BATHROOM, BUT CAN YOU GET A PLAN FOR A BATHROOM TO US IN A WEEK OR SO SO THAT WE KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE? YEAH, I MEAN I I THAT'S ALL YOU GOTTA DO.
AND, AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THE BUILDING, BUT DOWNSTAIRS IS, IS A COMPLETE REPLICA OF UPSTAIRS.
IT'S JUST ALL A COMPLETELY OPEN BASEMENT.
SO IT WAS, YOU COULD PUT A A BATHROOM ANYWHERE UPSTAIRS.
LOOK, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE FOR VOTE.
SO ON APRIL 3RD WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO APPROVE THIS OR NOT.
AND IF WE GET THE PLANS FOR THE BATHROOM, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF DAYS BEFORE THAT, EVERYTHING WILL BE IN PLACE.
IT'LL BE A MINOR ADDITIONAL EXPENSE HOPEFULLY.
THE PLANS DO DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT DETAILED.
IT CAN JUST BE A MATTER OF SHOWING THE DIMENSIONS THAT COMPLY WITH AN A DA SIZED BATHROOM.
ALSO, I THINK AMANDA, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S THE, THE ROUTE TO FROM, FROM THE DINING AREA IS ACCESSIBLE TO THAT BATHROOM.
UH, BUT AARON BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT TOO, IS THE PERSON THAT'S RENTING IT MIGHT NOT USE THE PLAN THAT WE SHOW YOU.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE LIKE ALL REWORKED ANYWAY.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE A VIABLE PLAN, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
THEY CAN, WE CAN PUT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT IF THEY, THEY VARY FROM THE CONFIGURATION THAT THAT HAS BEEN FILED.
THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS FOR, FOR, THAT'S SIMPLE.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A PLACE YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON FILE THAT SAYS, YES, I CAN PUT A BATHROOM HERE.
MAYBE IT'S RIGHT ABOVE THE WHAT DOWNSTAIRS BECAUSE OF THE PLUMBING BEING THERE.
I MEAN, I, THAT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE KITCHEN NOW.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE PLANTS.
IT'S RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE KITCHEN.
THAT AGAIN, BUT, BUT I MEAN EVEN SO IT'S EASY TO PUT IT IN, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE KITCHEN.
WELL JUST SHOW US WHERE THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ISSUE.
YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? YES.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD DON GO YOU, SORRY.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, I HAPPEN TO DO A SITE VISIT OVER THERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
WAS IT BUSY? AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE? ACTUALLY, THERE WAS MANY PEOPLE THERE AS THERE ARE AT CVS RIGHT NOW.
ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A CAR PARKED IN THE LOT.
UM, AND I HAPPENED TO SEE THE DRIVE, THE DRIVE THROUGH MENU
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THAT YOU USED BEFORE YOU CLOSED.UM, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IN THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OFF THE SHELF ITEMS. AND I LOOK AT THAT MENU AND THERE WAS NO WAY SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WERE OFF THE SHELF.
I'M JUST SAYING SO THAT WHEN WE DO CONDITION THAT DRIVE THROUGH, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR.
THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR AS TO WHAT THAT DRIVE THROUGH'S GONNA BE USED FOR.
IT'S A VERY SHORT, IT'S A VERY SMALL DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S ONLY SIX CARS AND OH BY THE WAY, PEOPLE COMING FROM THE BACK, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF YOUR PARKING IS.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GREAT IN ADDING THAT PARKING WHEN WE GAVE YOU THE DRIVE THROUGH ADDING THE SPACE, WHICH IS TERRIFIC THAT YOU DID THAT.
AND I WAS HAPPY TO GIVE YOU GUYS A DRIVE THROUGH.
HAPPY TO TRY TO HELP THE BUSINESS AT THE TIME.
BUT PEOPLE NOW, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE PA LOT OF PEOPLE PUCK IN THERE.
YOU DIDN'T BEFORE YOU WILL, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS THE TRA THE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS A CONCERN.
JUST, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD THAT WE NEED THAT NEED WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT TOO.
SO I, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE USE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AND AND STUFF AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA OF THAT, OF WHAT YOU THOUGHT, SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE CAN PREDICT, UH, CONDITION THAT I APPRECIATED.
I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE PARKING, LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT WAS, THAT WAS EXISTING WHILE I WAS IN BUSINESS THERE.
I MEAN, THERE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE WITH ANYBODY CROSSING THE PARKING 'CAUSE PEOPLE WOULD STILL PARK OVER THERE AND COME IN WHILE THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS OPERATIONAL.
UM, SO WE REALLY NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE WITH THAT AS FAR AS THAT'S YOU, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU GUYS OR THE ZBA MADE US PUT THAT CROSSWALK OVER THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE.
UM, I CAN, I CAN SHOW WHERE THAT IS.
UH, WE DEPARTS COMING OUT THE OTHER YEAH, IT'S ON THE BACK.
YOU CAN COME DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THERE'S STEPS THERE ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THERE'S NO WAY BACK UP.
AND THIS CROSSWALK WAS RECORDED TO BE PUT IN.
NO ONE'S GONNA USE THAT CROSSWALK.
A LOT OF THEM ARE PROBABLY, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
THAT'S SO, I WOULDN'T SAY YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED, PARTICULARLY IF THE PLACE IS REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND REALLY BUSY.
I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF SIT DOWN PEOPLE.
AND YOU'RE, I I LOVE YOUR PLACE.
BUT YOU KNOW, STILL WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF THE CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S A, A CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE, UH, COMING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, YOU COULD ALWAYS PUT, UH, A, A TRAFFIC CAR DEVICE.
ONE OF THOSE HUMPS RIGHT THERE TO THE CAR.
WOULD HAVE TO, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
STOP BEFORE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CROSSWAY.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? ANYBODY ON ZOOM? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
AND, AND, UH, OUR FRIENDS ON ZOOM ARE, ARE BOARD MEMBERS ON ZOOM I GUESS ARE OKAY.
I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THE NOTE OFFICIALLY.
SO I DID JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE COMMENTS REFERRED TO BY CHAIR P SCHWARTZ WERE SUBMITTED BY MS. GOMEZ THIS AFTERNOON.
THEY WERE RESPONDED TO BY COMMISSIONER DUQUE.
ONE WAS RELATED TO AN A DA COMPLIANT BATHROOM AND THE OTHER WAS WITH RESPECT TO FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT WAS REFERRED OUT TO THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, COMPLIANT WITH RESPECT TO AT ANY TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT SOLUTION.
GI, GIVEN THAT, WHAT I'D LOVE TO DO IS CLOSE THE HEARING, LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR 10 DAYS TILL, SO I THINK NINE DAYS ACTUALLY THROUGH THIS IS A MONDAY.
WE, WE COULD DO, REMEMBER WE COULD DO THE 28TH YEAH.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE'VE GET THE WEDNESDAY, REMEMBER WE'VE GONE FROM MONDAY TO WEDNESDAY, SO WE GOT EXTRA TWO DAYS.
SO WE CAN THE 28TH OF THE 28TH.
BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE PLANS BACK BY THE 25TH.
BUT IF YOU GET THE PLANS BACK BY THE 25TH.
THIS IS WHERE WE, WE WE'RE CONFIDENT WE CAN PUT IT HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE RECORD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TWO DAYS LATER AND WE'LL PUT IT ON, ON FOR, UH, DECISION ON THE THIRD, FIRST, APRIL 3RD.
IF, IF I CAN GET YOU THE PLAN SOONER, WOULD THAT SPEED ANYTHING UP OR, OR NO, YOUR HONOR, IT'S OUR NEXT MEETING.
THE BOARD CANNOT TAKE A VOTE UNTIL AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
SO IT'D BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
ARE WE, DO WE HAVE TO DO ANY S WE ALREADY DID SE ON THIS.
WE HAVE TO BEFORE YOU JUST, OKAY.
I HAVE THE OFFICIAL, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE, CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION TONIGHT.
MEETING SECOND JOHAN CUR SECOND.
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IF WE GET BACK UP? IF WE COULD HAVE TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE HEARING ON THIS PROJECT.COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON CLOSING THE HEARING? LEAVING THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE, TILL THE 28TH THEN.
SO MOVE WA WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? WALTER? GIMME A SECOND.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION? TONIGHT'S MEETING.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE'LL BE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION IN ABOUT TWO OR THREE MINUTES.
UH, NEW BUSINESS CASE PB 2314 PATINO ON, UH, OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD.
IT'S FOR PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
YOU WANT TO ADD ANY DETAILS TO THAT, AARON, BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT? SURE.
SO IN ERROR IN THE DRAFT AGENDA WAS RECTIFIED IN THE FINAL AGENDA RELATED TO THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
THE APPLICANT DOES NOT REQUIRE A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, BUT DOES REQUIRE A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THE PROPOSAL INVOLVES, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A VACANT LOT WITH REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND, UM, TREE REMOVALS PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 280 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION, NO IMPORTED FILL.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE ADDITION OF 10 CALTECH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UNITS TO HANDLE RUNOFF FROM IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WITH RESPECT TO TREES.
EIGHT ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S UNDER REVIEW BY THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. ESCALADES.
IT'S EXACTLY AS AARON HAS STATED.
UM, THIS LOT HAS BEEN, UH, EMPTY FOR FOREVER.
THE FAMILY PURCHASED IT TWO YEARS AGO AND, UH, WE HAD SOME INTERNAL CONFLICT IN TERMS OF WHAT TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT, MONIES AND ALL OF THAT.
THEN FINALLY THEY DECIDED, LET'S GO FOR IT.
IT'S THE ENTIRE FAMILY'S HERE.
THE SON WILL, UH, WILL BE, UH, PROBABLY THE BUILDER.
HE'S A GENTLEMAN, A HARDWORKING GUY IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH, UH, PURIFYING, UH, WHAT ROOM, HOW BIG, ALL OF THAT.
WE'VE WALKED THE PROPERTY QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND THE ONLY ISSUE HERE, AS I EXPLAINED TO THEM IS THE ACCESS POINT.
IT, IT IS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF PROBABLY 10 FEET BETWEEN THE CURB LINE AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND OF COURSE, UM, THE, ANY ACCESS POINT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EXCAVATION SO THAT WE CAN PROBABLY BRING DOWN, UH, THE, THE PROFILE TO ABOUT 10, 10%.
RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE TWENTIES AT THE ACCESS POINT, SO WE HAVE TO CUT.
UM, WE HAD SOME MACHINES THERE TO EXCAVATE AND FIND OUT IF THERE WAS SOME SERIOUS ROCK.
WE DIDN'T FIND SERIOUS ROCK WHERE THE HOUSE IS BEING BUILT.
WE DIDN'T FIND IT ALONG THE PATH FROM THE CURB TO THE, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE HOUSE.
BUT WE DID FIND IT AT THE VERY ENTRANCE, UH, WITH THE ROAD.
SO WE, WE, THE STRUGGLE HERE WILL BE TO BUILD THE ROAD IN A SAFE MANNER, IN A QUICK MANNER.
AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE BUILDING THE ROAD, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SNEAK IN THE UTILITIES UNDERNEATH THE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EX RE EXCAVATE EVERYTHING.
WE WILL, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING IN ONE SHOT.
SO WE HAVE TO COORDINATE THE PLUMBING, UH, THE TOWN INSPECTIONS AND SO ON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD.
BUT THAT IS THE KEY, UH, PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO RESOLVE IT.
IT CAN BE RESOLVED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE TO, UH, BE AWARE OF.
I, I WAS ALSO HAPPY TO FIND OUT THAT THE ADJACENT PARCEL, UH, WHICH HAS THE SAME GEOMETRY AS THIS, UH, HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.
AND YOU, UH, I, I LOOKED AT THE MEETINGS, I HEARD YOUR CONCERNS.
WE WERE CERTAINLY, UH, WE, WE CERTAINLY WILL, WILL COPY THIS HERE.
UM, AND AFTER YOUR REVIEW, YOU ALSO DECIDED THAT IT WAS FEASIBLE AND THAT YOU APPROVED IT.
SO I HOPE THAT THIS IS THE SAME DECISION THAT WE, WE HAVE HERE THE HOUSE, AS I SAID.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UH, THE SLOPE CATEGORY PAGE, YOU WILL FIND THAT THE HOUSE IS SITTING IN THE FLATTEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING IN THE BACK.
WE'RE STAYING CLOSE TO THE FRONT.
UH, ALL THE DISTURBANCES WILL BE, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, LIMITED TO
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THAT ONE THIRD OF THE PROPERTY.THE HOLES THAT WE POKED EVERYWHERE, UH, ALLOWED ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S PER, PER ABILITY AND PLACES TO PUT THE STORMWATER DEVICES.
UM, UM, THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION, ONCE WE HAVE THE ROAD, THE DELIVERY OF MATERIALS AND SO ON WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A CINCH.
UH, SO THE, THE ROAD, THE, THE CURB CUT AND THE CUTTING, UH, UH, UH, IS, IS THE CHALLENGE HERE.
AND, UH, OF COURSE IT WILL BE DONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE THING THAT, UH, IS MOSTLY PROBLEMATIC.
EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, UH, AS AARON SAID, THE TREES WILL BE, UH, WILL BE SUBSTITUTED IN THE, IN THE, WITH THE FA WITH THE FORMULA THAT THE TOWN HAS COME UP WITH.
UM, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT I WANT TO ALERT THE BOARD TO, BUT OF COURSE, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE TESTING, UH, THE BORINGS THAT WERE DONE AT THE REQUEST OF THE TOWN? YES.
THE PART OF THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS WERE TO VERIFY THAT WE CAN, UH, WE HAVE THE DEPTH AND THE SOIL, UH, THAT'S PROPER FOR DRAINAGE.
AND WE DO, AND WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, IT'S, IT'S A STANDARD APPROACH.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD DELIVER THE WATER TO THE VOLUMES IN THE GROUND THAT WE WERE, WE DESIGNED QUITE A FEW, I THINK IT WAS 10, 10 OF THEM.
UM, AND SO WE, WE, WE, AND WE SPREAD 'EM THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE MOST CHALLENGING ONE WAS IN THE FRONT WHERE WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE STORM WATER FROM THE ROAD AND THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT IT IN, IN, IN, IN THE CURVE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY HANDLE IT THERE.
YEAH, I'M TRYING TO IDENTIFY, THAT'S THE STEP BACK.
I KNOW SOME, YEAH, IT'S TRICKY.
IT'S TO THE LEFT, THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED WAS TO THE LEFT OF THIS DRY DRAWING.
WALTER, WALTER, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MIC OR SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE OFF.
UH, THE ONE THAT WE APPROVE WITH, UH, TAX SLOT 15, WOULD THEY HAD THE SAME LONG DRIVEWAY? YES.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE LOT ADJACENT TO THIS.
SO THE, THAT, THAT PREVIOUS WAS ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO LOTS UP, UP ON THAT.
AS OPPOSED TO WHAT? WELL, WE HAVE ONE LOT ON YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING THERE'S TWO LOTS ON THAT, THAT HIGH PIECE OF ROCK ALONG TERRYTOWN WARREN A LOT 15 AND YOUR LOT.
SO IT'S STRAIGHT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR ISSUES.
VERY SIMILAR, ALMOST IDENTICAL.
I, I SOMETIMES WALK BY AND I, I CAN'T DISTINGUISH ONE FROM THE OTHER.
OKAY, AMELIA, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE CULT TECH YOU HAVE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IT'S NOT A CULT CULTEC, IT'S A, IT'S A DRYWALL.
BECAUSE I, I WANT, I WANT, UH, I, I WANT IT TO BE MUCH, MUCH MORE CONTAINED AND, UH, I CAN GET A BIGGER VOLUME.
AND DROP IT IN PLACE ONCE IT, WELL, WHERE IS FROM WHERE THAT IS TO THE STREET? IS THAT ABOVE THE STREET? IT'S, IT'S, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE DEEP ENOUGH SO THAT I CAN CATCH THE, MORE THE WATER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ELEVATION AND FROM THE ROAD.
SO IT, IT, IT WAS A CHALLENGE.
WE HAVE TO GO QUITE DEEP THERE SO THAT WE CAN DRAIN BACK TO THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT? THAT, BECAUSE I SEE THE DRAIN ACTUALLY WITHIN THE SETBACK.
SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA EXTEND FEEDBACK? I KNOW.
SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA DRAIN BACK? ISN'T THAT WELL, NO, IF YOU, IF YOU GO DEEP ENOUGH, WE CAN GO, WE CAN BACK, WE CAN BACK PITCH THE DRIVEWAY.
WELL, NO, NO, NOT, NOT, NO, THAT'S NOT IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THE, THAT'S JUST ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, YOU HAVEN'T, HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT CURVE IN TERMS OF GETTING A FIRETRUCK UP THAT DRIVEWAY? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THE FIRE CHIEF WOULD EVER DO THAT WITH ANY LOT.
UM, AND, AND TRAP THEIR MEN INTO A DRIVEWAY.
UH, ALL THE, ALL THE, UH, APPROACHES THAT FIRE CHIEFS HAVE IS IF YOU ARE WITHIN 150 FEET OF THE TRUCK AND THEY, THEY WILL FIGHT IT FROM THE TRUCK.
THEY WILL PUMP, UH, FROM THE STREET.
WE JUST NEED TO, IF IT'S FAIR, YOU FIRE DISTRICT.
WELL WE JUST GOTTA CHECK WHETHER WHAT THEY WANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? FOLLOW, TOM, I'LL GET YOU AFTER.
FOLLOWING UP ON HIS QUESTIONS, IT'S NOT ONLY FIRE TRUCKS, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER EMS EMS WELL,
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NO, EMS OF COURSE.THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A 10% DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S A STANDARD DRIVEWAY FOR, FOR ANY VEHICLE.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT A, A TRUCK THAT'S 80 FEET LONG.
I, I DON'T THINK A TRUCK 80 FEET LONG WOULD EVEN ATTEMPT IT.
10 10 IS, IS, IS, IT'S QUITE STEEP.
IT'S TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE FOR, FOR HANDICAPPING FOR ANY VEHICLE.
ONCE, ONCE IT GETS TO THE TOP, IT'S FLAT.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ONLY THE STEEPNESS IS AT THE, IT IS THE POINT BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE.
AFTER YOU PASS THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S DEAD FLAT.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, UH, IT'S FOR THE, WHOEVER BUYS THE HOUSE HAS TO WORRY ABOUT TO WALK UP.
UH, THAT'S WHY THE HOUSE WAS PUSHED TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE MORE HORIZONTAL TRAVEL DISTANCE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR.
I, I THINK IT'S EVEN LESS THAN 10%.
I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM EMS TOO IS 10%.
WE, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THAT.
WE, I'LL DROP PROFILE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE GREENBURG POLICE TOO.
AARON, I'LL, I'LL MAKE IT LOWER THAN 10 RIVER POLICE TOO, SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO EMS. WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY? TOTAL LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY? THE TOTAL LENGTH WOULD PROBABLY, UM, UH, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 80.
BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SNOW AND THEY, IF THEY NO, THE SNOW, THE SNOW WOULD BE DELIVERED ON ONTO OUR PROPERTY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NEVER BE PUSHED ONTO THE ROAD.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO TO, TO CLEAN THE ROAD AND DUMP IT ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND ONLY THE SEGMENT THAT IS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE CURB WOULD PROBABLY EVEN BE HAND SHOVELED, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T PUT A TRUCK OR ANYTHING THERE THAT WOULD BE HAND SHOVELED.
AND IT WOULD BE PROBABLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
THERE'S NOTHING ON EITHER SIDE SIDE OF THE NO.
SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO PLOW IT OFF, OFF TO THE WOOD INTO THE GROUND? NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY STANDARD.
THERE'S NOTHING I, I MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT SAYING THAT TO BUILD IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE COSTLIEST PORTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO SPEND SOME REAL TIME AND MONEY DIGGING IT.
BUT ONCE IT'S DONE, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.
NO ONE WILL, NO ONE WILL SAY, WELL, THAT'S AN NOT AT ALL QUITE STANDARD, EVEN IN THAT AREA.
IT'S ALL THE ROADS IN THAT AREA.
ALL THE DRIVERS IN THAT AREA ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO WIN BY SAYING SOMETHING IS WORSE.
I'M SAYING IT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL CONDITION.
WE WANNA KNOW THAT YOU'RE BETTER THAN EVERYTHING AROUND.
IT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL CONDITION.
HOW DOES THE, WHAT SIZE OF THE HOUSE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PLANET, WHAT SIZE OF WHAT THE HOUSE IS ABOUT 3,500 IF YOU COUNT, UH, UH, THE, YEAH, THE GARAGE FOOTPRINT.
SO, AND THEN YOU'RE SHOWING SOME SORT OF STEPS.
SO I PRESUME THERE IS A, UH, GARAGE.
THERE ARE GONNA BE A, THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE AT THE GARAGE.
THERE'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ACCESS INTO THE BASEMENT.
AND IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY SO THAT WE COULD USE AND WALK OUT OF THE BASEMENT IN THE FRONT.
NOT THE BACK, NOR THE SIDES, BUT THE FRONT IS TOTALLY WALK OUT SITUATION.
AND NOW THAT WE ARE, UH, CONSIDERING THE NEW LAW, UH, WE ARE PROBABLY THINKING OF APPLYING FOR, UH, THE ACCESSORIES.
IT'S, IT IS SUCH A GREAT THING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAME FROM YOU OR FROM THE STATE, BUT IT IS SUCH A GOOD NECESSARY THING.
EVERYBODY IS JUST SO HAPPY THAT, THAT THIS IS A REALITY.
MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THE, THAT'S MY POLITICAL STATEMENT FROM THE I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU WANT US TOO GO GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS APPLICANT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT, HOW, IS THERE ANY, ANY CONSIDERING THE SIDE IS VERY HEALING HILLY, AND IS THERE ANY FLAT AREA FOR THE FAMILY OR SOMETHING? WELL, YES, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, PROFILE YOU HAD HARDLY TO SEE ON THAT.
YOU HAVE A CODE SECTION IN THE SLOPE CATEGORY.
YOU SEE THAT THE HOUSE IS IN THE, THAT WHITE AREA IS THE FIFTH, ZERO TO 15.
SO IT'S, IT WAS PLANNED IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND OF COURSE, ONCE YOU GO UP TO THE FIRST FLOOR, THE ELEVATION OF THE FIRST FLOOR IS ALMOST LEVELED WITH THE ELEVATION OF THE ROOF.
UH, LET ME SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A PROFILE HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING UP RIGHT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF A FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ACCESS TO REAR OF THE DECK.
DO YOU HAVE A CROSS SECTION WITH YOU HERE, HERE, THAT SECTION, YOU COULD SEE THE DOTTED LINE.
THE DOTTED LINE IS THE EXISTING AND THE SOLID LINE IS THE PROPOSED.
SO WE WILL DIG A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK, BUT NOT EXCESSIVELY AND CREATE LIKE A 40 FOOT, UH, DEPTH OF FLATNESS IN THE BACK.
SO YOU HAVE A DECK AND YOU'LL STILL HAVE SOME BREADTH.
THERE'LL BE A DECK IN THE TRANSITION TO A GARDEN.
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YES.DO YOU HAVE AN
WE WE'RE NOT SURE WHETHER IT WILL BE A DECK OR A PATIO.
IT'S SLOPES AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
ALWAYS TO PREVENT A HUNDRED PERCENT WATER.
I JUST HAD A LECTURE IN MY CLASS ABOUT THAT.
TEXT WHERE YOU WALK TO A HOUSE AND YOU ALWAYS SEE THE GROUND GOING TO THE HOUSES.
MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE SLOPE OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS NOW CLEAR.
DO YOU HAVE A SO CAN I ASK? YEAH, SURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF LANDSCAPING PLAN? YES.
CONSIDERING THAT YOU HAVE JUST A, A NEIGHBOR HAS BUILT A SIMILAR KIND OF HOUSE.
IF I, IF IF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAMILY ARE A TRUE, THEY'LL BE A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TREES IN THIS PROPERTY.
I'M ASKING DO YOU HAVE A PLAN? BUT YES.
NO, WE HAVE A A A, WE HAVE A SUB SUBSTITUTION ACCORDING TO THE, WHENEVER YOU APPLY FOR A CUTTING OF TREES, WE HAVE TO HAVE OKAY.
A PLAN OF, UH, IT'S, IT'S THIS, THIS ONE SHOWS THE TREES TO BE CUT WITH THE X.
AND I WILL SAY THAT IF ANYBODYS THE REGULATIONS OF THE TIME WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T, BECAUSE IT'S QUITE, UH, FORGIVING IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF THE EXCHANGE THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I GOT INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE NEWER EXCHANGE EVENT.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS REALLY PLANT ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE ALTOGETHER, THE ONES THAT WE ARE, UH, REPLANTING.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALLOWS US TO DO AT THE END IS AARON SHOWS UP AND WE SOMETIMES WE, WE SHOW A TREE HERE OR THERE, BUT IT ALWAYS ENDS UP THAT A SITE VISIT BETWEEN AARON AND, UH, AND THE OWNERS AND MYSELF ALWAYS DETERMINE WHERE THE TREES SHOULD GO.
THE NUMBER REMAINS THAT THE ACTUAL LOCATION.
I SIMPLY, YOU HAVE TO PLACE THEM SOMEWHERE.
BUT AS YOU BUILD AND AS YOU FIND INTERESTING CORNERS OR ROCK EDGES, WE KIND OF MOVE THEM INTO THAT POSITION.
AND TO MAXIMIZE THE PRIVACY, ONCE WE HAVE THE HOUSE AND THE PATIO IN PLACE, THEN YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHERE YOU WANT IT.
AND MOST, MOST OWNERS IN MY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAVE ADD MORE THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED.
I DON'T THINK, THAT'S NOT A FEAR THAT I HAVE IN THIS TOWN AT ALL.
WE, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, A VERY, THE PEOPLE THAT BUILD HERE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
THEY WANT TO SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH THE GREEN.
SO I, AND, AND THE PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE PASSED HERE, IT IS A VERY GOOD ONE.
IT SEEMS TO BE ANNOYING TO ENTER THIS AND ENTER THAT PROGRAM, BUT IT'S VERY FORGIVING, VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SCREENING TO THE NEIGHBOR OR PROPOSED SCREENING WITH THE TREES? AH, THIS IS FALLING APART ON ME.
THE TREES THEMSELVES DON'T, IT'S A TOPOGRAPHY THAT DOES, I THINK.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU, THE DON'T YOU HAVE THAT ON PROPERTY? HERE IS THE, UH, IT'S ON THE SCREEN.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THAT.
DON'T NEED THAT OLD FASHIONED.
WE UNDERSTAND WHICH TREES ARE GOING ON.
NICK, THAT WASN'T HIS QUESTION THOUGH.
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE.
I'M EXCITED IN TERMS OF SCREENING FOR ME.
SO YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S DOWN SLOPE.
THERE'S, THEY'RE VERY WAY DOWN.
OKAY'S DOWN ABOUT 20 FEET LOWER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN TO THE LEFT IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, BUT UNDEVELOPED.
SO, SO THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS NO.
IT'S ALSO, IT'S MORE, IT'S BETTER THAN, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARY, I THINK IS THE ANSWER.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
THE MAKEUP OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DRIVEWAY.
WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, I THINK WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOU MAKING DOING THE DRIVEWAY OUT OF CONSTRUCTION? WELL, THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH ROCK WE FIND, UM, THE BEST, THE BEST.
I THINK THE BEST ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NOW IS TO COMMIT OURSELVES TO ASPHALT.
I'M, I'M SURE THAT THE, UH, THE SON WHO'S IN CONSTRUCTION WOULD EMBELLISH THIS WITH TIME.
I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT HIM TO THIS OR THAT, BUT I'M, I GUARANTEE IT, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
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DRIVEWAY WILL BE EMBELLISHED IN LESS THAN A COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THE BUILDING.I'M SURE HE, HE WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN PURVIEW'S PAVERS.
WELL, THE, UM, IF, IF, IF WE FIND A ROCKY ENVIRONMENT, THAT WATER WILL NOT EVEN APPEAR, WHATEVER, WHATEVER ENTERS INTO THOSE, INTO THAT, UH, MIXTURE OF FRACTURED ROCK DISAPPEARS, IT JUST GOES AWAY.
IN FACT, I, I'M WELCOMING SOME ROCK ESPECIALLY TO, FOR, FOR THE BASE OF THE, OF THE ROAD AND SO ON.
SO I'M NOT AT ALL WORRIED ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE QUICKNESS WITH WHICH THIS HAS TO BE DONE.
AARON, I HAD ONE LAST COMMENT.
UM, JUST IN LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE OF PLAN, AGAIN, RELATIVE TO YOUR LOCATION OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WE PROBABLY WORK TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND ANY PUBLIC HEARING.
THREE BIRCH GARDENS ABOUT SHIFTING THE TREES.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THOSE OVER THE UNIT.
SO IF WE LOOK AT A FOUR FOR A SECOND, AND I KNOW THE STORMWATER WAS DESIGNED AFTER THEY CAME UP WITH THIS, BUT THIS TREE, A FOUR WOULD BE RIGHT OVER THE UNITS.
SO WE'D PROBABLY SHIFT IT DOWN OVER HERE.
AND SIMILARLY, A FIVE WE WOULD SHIFT, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM THESE UNITS.
YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS, UH, CAREFUL ANY OTHER, WE ALWAYS SHOW UP AND WE ALWAYS DETERMINE WHERE IT BEST SHOULD GO.
JOHAN, MICHAEL, ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I, I HAD A COMMENT, NOT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FRESH GRAVEL AS, UM, ALTERNATIVE TO ASPHALT AND THE FACT THAT THE TOWN CODES STILL HAS IT LISTED AS, UM, AN APPROPRIATE SURFACE.
AND WE KNOW THAT NOT TO BE THE CASE.
WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET AROUND TO, UM, HAVING THAT UPDATED IN THE COLD? WELL, WE RESEARCHED THAT
I GUESS I'M THE DEFAULT ANSWER.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE AND MANY COMMUNITIES DO IT IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
I'LL SAY THAT SOME GIVE A CREDIT THROUGH A VERY DETAILED, I SEE MANY NODDING THEIR HEADS OUT THERE.
SOME ARE DETAILED CALCULATIONS.
SOME JUST GIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, X PERCENTAGE CREDIT.
UM, SOME DON'T GIVE ANY CREDIT AT ALL, SIMILAR TO KIND OF WHAT WE DO NOW.
SO IT'S COMPLEX AND SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE MORE TIME TO DECIDE.
I KNOW WE RAN IT THROUGH OUR LAND IN-HOUSE LAND USE COMMITTEE YEARS AGO, PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND IT DIDN'T END UP GOING ANYWHERE AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO WE CAN LOOK TO BRING IT BACK UP NOW THAT IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE WE LOOKED AT IT.
WE DON'T EVEN GET CREDIT FOR PERMEABLE PAVERS, WHICH IS, IS RIDICULOUS.
I MEAN, IT REALLY IS ONE OF THE, WHERE IS A SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE IN EXCUSE YOU IN ONE WAY.
NOT THE CC, THAT'S THE CC, NOT CC ONE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, AND AGAIN, THIS IS BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE WE LOOKED AT IT, IS THE NEED TO MAINTAIN THOSE PERVIOUS, UH, WHETHER IT MATERIALS, WHETHER IT BE ASPHALT OR THE PAVERS.
NO, THE PERVIOUS, THE PERVIOUS PAVERS.
BUT THEY'VE GOTTEN, THEY'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF, THAT'S THAT'S OLD MI RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING THE LAST TIME WE BROUGHT IT UP.
BUT WE WILL GET SOME EXPERT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I KNOW THAT NOW IT'S BEEN A 20 YEARS OLD ISSUE THAT WE STILL KIND OF, UH, NOT REALLY UPDATED OURSELVES.
I THOUGHT THE WE CAN GET SOMEBODY BECAUSE THE POOR SPACE, YOU DON'T NO, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE ISSUE WAS IF YOU HAD HEAVY TRAFFIC ON THEM, ON GRAVEL, ON EITHER GRAVEL OR EVEN ON THE PERMEABLE PAVERS OVER TIME, YOU CAN WEAR THEM DOWN.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DRIVEWAY.
AND DON'T WORRY, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING IN GENERAL HERE, SO DON'T GET NERVOUS.
IT, IT'S ABOUT TIME, BUT ITS SOMETHING WE REALLY DO NEED TO ADDRESS IT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST, AT LEAST FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, THERE WAS AN ADVANTAGE FOR THE RESIDENT TOO, BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME, SAME ISSUE WITH COVERAGE THAT THEY DID BEFORE.
THAT GIVES ME MORE FOOTPRINT AND MORE DRIVEWAY.
AND DON'T NEED TO PUT SO MANY OF, UH, CONTACTS.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING, WE MIGHT BE JUST OVERTHINKING THIS, THAT WE GOT TO DO SO MANY EXTRAVAGANT CALCULATION.
WE COULD JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A FIVE OR 10 OR 15% CREDIT OR SOMETHING.
SO, AND JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE AND DO SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? I'M SORRY, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU WANNA GIVE POINTS FOR PUTTING IN PERME PERMEABLE PAVERS, RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO ASPHALT? YES.
SO RUN, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF IT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE THE ZERO POINT IN ANYTHING ABOVE IT IS, IS NO ASPHALT'S A ZERO POINT.
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HONESTLY.AND THEN YOU START, WELL IT'S, IT IS, IT'S TAKEN OUT OF YOUR F YOUR FA YOUR, YOUR COVERAGE, YOUR COVERAGE REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN PERMEABLE STARTS AT WHAT? ZERO.
RIGHT? RIGHT NOW TODAY, RIGHT NOW IT'S AT ZERO.
THEY EVEN, THEY'RE EVEN, THEY'RE EVEN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I FEEL LIKE PERMEABLE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN ASPHALT.
AND THEN ANYTHING ABOVE PERMEABLE, IF THERE'S OTHER TYPE OF, UM, MEASURES LATER GRAVEL, THAT IS ANOTHER LEVEL.
BUT I JUST DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE ASPHALT IMPERMEABLE SHOULD BE ON THE SAME LEVEL.
SO AND SO IS GRAVEL, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ASPHALT AT THIS POINT SHOULD BE A NEGATIVE JUST CONSIDERING ALL OF THE FLOODING IT IS IN THE FACT THAT YOU CHARGE, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE AN EXTRA EXTRA PARKING SPACE.
BUT IMAGINE IF YOU PUT IN IMPERMEABLE PAVERS INSTEAD AND WE WERE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS ASPHALT.
THEY MAY GET AN EXTRA PAVED, PAVED AREA FOR THAT PARKING SPACE.
SO THEY COULDN'T GET UNDER ASPHALT.
THAT'S WHY TO AT LEAST GIVE THE, AT LEAST GIVE THE DEVELOPER SO AN OPTION TO, TO USE IT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S FINE.
LIKE AN INCENTIVE MORE, THAT'S ALL.
AND ALSO WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE, WE NEED TO BE ENCOURAGING MORE PERMEABLE SERVICES IF WE CAN.
BUT A LOT OF TOWNS ARE DOING IT.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND ALONG TO ME ANY COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, JUST SEND THEM ALONG.
WE'VE ALL AGREED TO THAT
THE SERIOUSLY, WHATEVER THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON IT AND, AND WE'LL GET THIS THING.
IT'S ALMOST, I'M TRYING TO CORRECT.
SO WHAT IT, IT'S NOT A FORMAL COMMITTEE.
SO, SO IT'S A GROUP OF STAFF THAT ME SPOKE.
IT'S AN IN HOUSE GROUP, SO LET'S JUST SET UP SOME, I CAN GET SOME EXPERT TO COMMENT ON IT.
YEAH, WE'LL ABSOLUTELY REVISIT IT.
I THINK THAT'S, UM, MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND OUT IN SARATOGA FOR US, MICHAEL.
SO DO YOU WANNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, I DO.
UM, DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH.
AND CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 3RD? THIRD? SO MOVED.
TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
THE, THE TWO GUYS ARE TWO VISITORS FROM OUTER SPACE TONIGHT.
WHY DO WE NEED A MOTION? YOU DIDN'T SET A DATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I JUST SAID THAT WE DID, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.
I, I ASKED MY PARLIAMENTARIAN HEARING.
SO WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THE NOTICES.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE MAILINGS, UH, READY TO GO.
I HAVE THAT IN MY YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR NOTICE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU GET AN EXTRA COUPLE DAYS.
IT'S TOUGH TO WORK WHEN YOU'RE I NO, IT IS SAMSUNG.
UM, SECOND, UH, CASE TONIGHT IS, UH, PB 2326 WAIT.
PLANS FOUR 50 REALTY, WHICH IS FOUR 50 TO FOUR 60 TARRYTOWN ROAD, PO WHITE PLAINS.
IT'S FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
THESE ARE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIGHT NOW ON ONE LOT.
WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE HAD SIMILAR THINGS THAT WE DID ON CENTRAL AVENUES, AS YOU RECALL.
MAY HAVE BEEN GMC MC THAT DID IT.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT WAS JIM YEARS AGO.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE IS EXISTING LOTS THAT WANT TO BE SET.
THEY WANNA SEPARATE INTO TWO LOTS.
SO ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADD TO THIS? OH, IT DOES CREATE, HOW MANY VARIANCES IS THIS CREATED? A BUNCH A NUMBER.
IT'S 11, I BELIEVE IT'S SEVEN IS THE NUMBER.
UM, HOW MANY ON THIS, IF YOU GUYS WANT CHECK IT'S 11 REQUIRED.
IS IT 11? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY.
I'M GOING OFF OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO.
SO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO IDENTIFIES, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH
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THEM QUICKLY.UH, MAXIMUM COVERAGE OF ALL BUILDINGS FOR LOT ONE MAXIMUM COVERAGE OF ALL BUILDINGS FOR LOT TWO.
THEY'RE SLIGHTLY OVER 30% IS PERMITTED.
AND THEY'RE 32 AND 31 RESPECTIVELY.
GO YEAH, GO THROUGH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
80% FOR LOT ONE 90% PROPOSED, SAME EXACT FOR LOT.
TWO 80% PERMITTED, 90% PROPOSED MINIMUM SIDE YARD, WEST SIDE LOT, ONE 20 FEET REQUIRED 9.3 FEET.
PROPOSED MINIMUM SIDE YARD, EAST SIDE LOT, ONE 20 FEET REQUIRED 10 FEET.
PROPOSED MINIMUM SIDE YARD, WEST SIDE LOT TWO 20 FEET REQUIRED 9.8 FEET.
PROPOSED TOTAL OF TWO SIDES ON LOT, ONE 40 FEET REQUIRED.
19.1 FEET PROPOSED TOTAL OF TWO SIDES.
LOT TWO 40 FEET REQUIRED 29.8 FEET PROPOSED.
THEY ALSO, IN ADDITION, REQUIRE A VARIANCE FROM, FOR EACH LOT FROM SECTION 2 85 DASH THREE C EIGHT, REGARDING SUBDIVISION OF A LOT WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN IT INVOLVES A VARIANCE, FERGUS.
SO YOU NEED A VARIANCE FROM THAT SECTION.
I MEAN, I MEAN THE VARI, THE, THE, THE, THE MAXIMUM PERIAL SURFACE 80% PERMITTED 90% PROPOSED.
IS, IS THAT, IS THERE AN EXISTING CORRECT.
NON-CONFORMING CONDITION? WE'RE GONNA HAVE MR. VIAL WALK FORWARD THROUGH THE PLAN.
WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK, ASK DIEGO IS SOME OF THESE, THESE ARE PREEXISTING CORRECT? THERE, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST A RESULT OF DRAWING A LINE DOWN, DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROPERTY.
WHICH MAKE THEM TECHNICALLY SELF-INFLICTED.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST DIFFERENTIATE 'EM, I THINK THAT'LL HELP MICHAEL UNDERSTAND.
NONE OF IT'S, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY, NOTHING CHANGES.
IT'S JUST ON A PIECE OF PAPER, IT CHANGES.
AND THAT, THAT'S, ALTHOUGH THERE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AFTER THAT.
'CAUSE THERE, AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND TOM TALKED ABOUT, AND THE AMANDA EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
SO COULD, IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS TO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY EXISTING PREEXISTING, AS OF NOW THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PRE-EXISTING, UH, NON-CONFORMING VERSUS WHAT IS CREATED BY THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, I THINK BEFORE THAT I JUST WANTED TO, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE WHOLE APPLICATIONS? SO WHY YOU WANT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MR. VI WALK US THROUGH THE PROJECT.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, DIEGO VI WITH JMC, UH, THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, AGAIN, WE WERE BEFORE YOU, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER WHERE WE GAVE A PRELIMINARY INTRODUCTION TO THE APPLICATION.
UM, AND REALLY THEY ARE HERE TO CREATE THIS TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
AS YOU HAD INDICATED, WE'RE DIVIDING THE PROPERTY BASICALLY IN HALF.
THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS JUST UNDER TWO ACRES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE TWO ALMOST IDENTICAL SIZED LOTS TO ALLOW EACH BUILDING TO SIT ON AN INDEPENDENT LOT.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO RIGHT NOW.
BOTH BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED ON A SINGLE LOT.
SO FOR TRANSACTIONAL AND FOR FINANCING PURPOSES, HAVING THEM ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS WITH SEPARATE ENTITIES AND SEPARATE OWNERSHIP IS IMPORTANT TO THE APPLICANT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
AGAIN, WE SPOKE AS, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING.
NISSAN IS IN THE PROCESS OF POTENTIALLY OCCUPYING ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS OR OCCUPYING THE ONE, BUILDING THE FOUR 60 BUILDING.
SO IF YOU'RE FACING THE TWO BUILDING, FOUR 60 IS ON THE LEFT, FOUR 60 IS ON THE RIGHT.
THE FOUR 60 BUILDING WILL BE OCCUPIED BY, UH, A, IS THIS THAT FOR SHOWROOM OR SERVICE? WHAT? I BELIEVE IT'S FOR SHOWROOM ONLY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING SERVICE OUT OF THERE.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, AGAIN, IT'S STRICTLY FOR FINANCIAL OR FINANCING AND SALE AND TRANSACTIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
AND AGAIN, THE EXISTING, UH, VARIANCES, OR THE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED ARE PRIMARILY EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.
UM, THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS SUBDIVISION.
SO THE COVERAGE NUMBER, THE BUILDING COVERAGE, THE IMPERVIOUS NUMBER, THAT'S ALL EXISTING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT, AND I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF THAT'S OKAY.
JUST, UH, IS THAT TOTALLY ACCURATE? THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE A RESULT OF THE LINE.
WE'RE GETTING, YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONES, BUT THE COVERAGE ONES ARE, UH, ARE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLANT ITSELF.
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AND, UH, YOU COULD SEE THE OUTSIDE LINE.THIS IS THE PERIMETER OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
AND THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LINE GOES RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY EQUAL BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
IT'S BEING PLACED 10 FEET FROM EACH BUILDING.
UM, WHEN I GO TO THE ZONING CHART, WHAT YOU'LL SEE, WE CREATED AN EXISTING CONDITIONS COLUMN THAT'S ON THERE.
AND THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES.
SO THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE BIT.
SO WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT, EXISTING BUILDING COVERAGE IS AT 33%, WHERE 30 IS PERMITTED.
MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS 90%, WHERE 80 IS PERMITTED.
AND THEN YOU GO DOWN THE LINE, THE FRONT YARD, THE REAR YARD, IT'S REALLY THE SIDE YARD.
SO THE LEFT SIDE UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IS NON-CONFORMING.
THE RIGHT SIDE IS CONFORMING IT'S 20 FOOT SETBACK UNDER ITS EXISTING CONDITION.
AND THAT WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED WHEN YOU ADD BOTH SIDES TOGETHER.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE 40 FOOT MINIMUM.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES.
NOW THE OPPOSITE ON THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER PIECE OF LAND THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S LEFT SIDE ON ONE SIDE.
ON, ON WHAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE DRAWN THE LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
YOU'VE CREATED VARIANCES FOR BOTH LOTS.
SO WHAT SIDE YARD? ONE SIDE, IT'S RIGHT.
SO THE, THE VARIANCES THAT WE'VE CREATED AS A RESULT OF THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT LOT ONE HERE, THE LEFT SIDE YARD IS NON-CONFORMING.
THE RIGHT SIDE YARD IS BEING CREATED BECAUSE IT'S ONLY NINE FEET.
AND THEN BOTH SIDE YARDS IS TECHNICALLY BEING CREATED AS A RESULT OF THAT NINE FOOT SETBACK.
AND THE, THE OTHER BUILDING LOT TWO.
WAS EXISTING NON-COMPLIANT, BUT WE'RE STILL MAKING IT NON-COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING A NEW LINE THERE.
SO THAT ONE IS CREATED AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
SO REALLY WHAT'S SELF-CREATED BY PUTTING THIS LINE IS THE FOUR.
BOTH SIDES, LEFT SIDE, BOTH SIDES, DEPENDING ON WHICH LOT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
ALL OF THE O AND, AND FORGIVE ME, THE LAST ONE IS THE PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOT TO CREATE A NON-CONFORMING LOT.
SO TECHNICALLY THERE ARE THREE ON EACH, A TOTAL OF SIX VARIANCES THAT ARE SELF-CREATED.
THE BALANCE OF THEM ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES THAT ARE JUST BEING MAINTAINED.
EACH ARE WHAT? EACH THE COVERAGE.
SO WHEN WE SUBDIVIDE THE LOT, AND I'LL PUT IT HERE WHEN WE SUBDIVIDE THE LOT AND LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL AREAS, THE COVERAGE, YOU STILL HAVE BUILDING COVERAGE.
THEY'RE VIRTUALLY THE SAME SIZE BUILDING, AND WE'RE CREATING PRETTY MUCH EQUAL LOTS.
SO YOU STILL HAVE A BUILDING COVERAGE AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, AND YOU STILL HAVE THE EXISTING SIDE YARDS THAT ARE NON-COMPLIANT.
SO IF YOU WERE TO, LET'S SAY, UM, SHIFT THE LINE OVER, WOULD IT CREATE ONE LOT THAT WOULD BE COMPLIANT OR I'M JUST ASKING FOR YEAH, YEAH.
THE ANSWER IS NO, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT 20 FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
IF WE HAD 20 FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, I COULD THEORETICALLY PUT THAT LINE RIGHT UP AGAINST ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND HAVE A 20 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
IT'S 19.8, BUT IT'S NOT 20 FEET.
UM, AND IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, 'CAUSE I THINK LATER ON, OR YOU TALKED ABOUT NISSAN, WHICH MEANS, SO THE BACK OF IT, WHICH ROLLS UP, I GUESS IT'S UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT.
WHERE WHERE THE CARS GO IN THE BACK.
IN THE BACK OF FOUR, UH, FOUR 60 PARKING.
WELL, THERE'S A PARKING LOT, BUT THAT GATE ROLLS UP.
THERE'S ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S, OH GOD, WHAT DO YOU, SO, SO THE PROPERTY ITSELF, NOT A HANGER, UM, GARAGE, IT'S A GARAGE DOOR.
MY POINT IS, IF THEY ARE SELLING CARS, THE CARS ARE GONNA BE COMING BACK AND THEN THROUGH THAT ALLEYWAY.
IS THAT HOW THEY GET OUT? SI SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT OPERATES.
NOW, THERE'S AN EXISTING COMMON DRIVEWAY THAT GOES BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UM, WE WOULD AS THE LOT LINE WOULD NOT RESTRICT ACCESS IN ANY WAY, WAY HAVE TO EASEMENT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT AN EASEMENT IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
AND THAT WOULD WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T MATTER NO MATTER WHAT PER A PERSON PUTS IN FOUR 50, THAT THAT EASEMENT ACCESS WOULD'VE TO MAINTAINED WOULD BE DEED.
THE EASEMENT WOULD BE DEED, WHICH, SO THEY WOULD SHARE ACCESS AS WELL AS OBLIGATIONS OF MAINTENANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THERE IS, AND WE COULD PUT, MAKE THAT AS A CONDITION, CORRECT.
OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S NEEDED.
BUT IT WOULDN'T MATTER TO THE NEW OWNER THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A, A DRIVER FOR CARS.
RIGHT? IT MIGHT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS
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BOTH.SO WHEN THEY GO TO RIGHT, IF THEY POTENTIALLY SELL THE PROPERTY, IT'S THEIR POINT, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE AS PART OF THE PURCHASE.
IS THAT NO PLAN OF CHANGE OF USE? NOT IN THE FOUR 50 BUILDING? NO, THE FOUR 60 IS THE, UH, PROVISION.
THEY, THEY'RE EXPECTING THE NISSAN DEALERSHIP THERE, BUT NOT THE FOUR 50 BUILDING.
WHAT'S GOING ON AT FOUR 50? NOW THIS, IT'S VACANT.
AND THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THAT? NO, THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT DOES BRING US TO ANOTHER POINT, THE SECOND SHEET OF OUR SUBMISSION.
UM, AND THIS CAME OUT OF OUR DECEMBER MEETING AS WELL.
UH, THERE IS A RECORD PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS GOING TO BE THAT, UH, WHEN IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE TO THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED, UH, BUT NEVER INSTALLED.
SO WE ATTACHED THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN THAT SHOWS SOME LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS, PRIMARILY ALONG THE FRONTAGE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE, AND THEN SOME LANDSCAPE, THE ISLANDS AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THERE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, IF YOU DECIDE TO MODIFY EITHER THE HEIGHT OR FOOTPRINT OF EITHER BUILDING HAVE TO COME BACK, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, AS I UNDERSTAND, SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS AS CONDITION TO THE CORRECT.
IF SOMEBODY, WHEN SOMEBODY OCCUPIES THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO INSTALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF THAT OCCUPATION.
THE SECOND BUILDING OR THE SECOND BUILDING? BOTH.
IT WAS, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, SO IF NISSAN MOVES IN, THEY HAVE
IF NISSAN MOVES IN, YOU WANTED IT AS, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE, UH, CONDITION OF THIS SUBDIVISION.
IF THIS SUB SUBDIVISION GOES THROUGH, IF NISSAN GOES INTO, WHICH I BELIEVE AGAIN, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS AND THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL THAT LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT ONLY IN FRONT OF 4, 4 60, NOT IN FRONT OF FOUR 50.
WHEN THEY OCCUPY FOUR 50, THEY WOULD'VE TO DO THE LANDSCAPING PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHEN FOUR 60 IS EVENTUALLY OCCUPIED, THEY WOULD FERRY OUT THEIR PORTION.
IT'S HELD ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S RENTED.
AND, AND THAT'S, I I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD.
I THOUGHT THAT AS PART OF THESE, THESE VARIANCES, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENT TO THE TARRYTOWN ROAD LANDSCAPING.
AND I THINK I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ARE GIVING YOU, IT'S A NONCONFORMING, THE OCCUPIED BUILDING, AND WE ARE ALLOWING IT TO BE MORE NON-CONFORMING THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
AND COULD WE, COULD, COULD WE REQUEST THAT YOU, YOU DO THE WHOLE THING
JUST THE POINT OF CLARITY THOUGH.
I MEAN, UH, UH, THIS BOARD IS NOT GRANTING THE VARIANCE AS WE HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD TO UNDERSTAND, GET THOSE VARIANCES AND THEN ULTIMATELY COME BACK FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO AS PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, AGAIN, THE OWNER HAS NO ISSUE INSTALLING THE LANDSCAPING.
SO IF, UH, IF TO CORRECT LANDSCAPING ON THE WHOLE TERRY TOWN ROAD, I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH THAT.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA MOVE INTO THAT OTHER BUILDING.
AND I, I THINK IT'S, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S A, LISTEN, IF THE, IF THE OWNER WANTS TO DO IT AS PART OF THE CONDITION TO SELL THE BRI OF THE PROPERTY, I, I THINK I, I WOULD AGREE, UH, WITH THE CHAIRMAN HERE, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS FOR WHO IS OCCUPYING THAT BUILDING, IT MAKES SENSE TO COORDINATE THE LANDSCAPING WITH WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING DONE AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S JUST MY ON UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, QUITE FRANKLY, ARE AN EYESORE.
AND NOW YOU HAVE AN EYESORE AND THE APPLICANT IS COMING IN FOR ALL SORTS OF VARIANCES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONE BUILDING WILL REMAIN AN EYEO.
NORMALLY I WOULD AGREE THAT WHEN YOU FIX THE BUILDING, THAT'S THE TIME TO DO THE LANDSCAPING.
BUT THOSE BUILDINGS ON ISO, I DON'T, WELL, IT'S A, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S JUST GETTING NISSAN DEALERSHIP IN.
THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPROVEMENT FOR LOTS OF REASONS.
NISSAN, THAT NISSAN DEALER, I FEEL SORRY FOR 'EM.
THEY'RE REALLY IN A VERY TIGHT SPACE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE MOVING TO A, A SQUARE BUILDING VERSUS THAT.
THERE IS NO NEW, THERE ISN'T A VARIANCE THAT DRIVING.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST A, IT'S A LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER.
FROM A FLEXIBILITY STANDPOINT TO ENCOURAGE, TO ENCOURAGE THE, THE, THE SECOND BUILDING TO BE RENTED, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT.
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I WOULDN'T DO THAT LANDSCAPING.I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, IT'S REQUIRED.
AND IF THE LANDLORD IS SMART, THEY'LL THROW THAT IN AND SAY, LOOK, AS SOON AS YOU RENT THIS, I'M REQUIRED TO DO THIS.
AND I'LL THROW THAT IN AS PART OF YOUR THING.
THEY COULD DO THAT AS A, AS A WAY OF SELLING THE BUILDING.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT THE USE IS.
'CAUSE YOU MAY END UP HAVING TO TEAR IT OUT.
PRIOR TO ANY CHANGE IN USE OR BUILDING PERMIT AND THE GO, REALLY, THE REASON WE WANNA DO THIS.
'CAUSE WE WANT TO GET THEM TO BE ABLE TO RENT THE OCCUPY THE BUILDING.
BUT I'D SAY FOR YEARS, FOR YEARS, WE LOOK AT, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO, TO UPGRADE.
WE DISCUSS THAT TOWN ROAD, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
AND THOSE ARE THE LAST TWO BUILDINGS ON THAT BLOCK THAT IT DOES NOT FIT INTO THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON TERRY DOWN ROAD.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOW.
WE CAN DO THAT ON THE BOAT, BUT, UH, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST TALK ABOUT AND WE COULD DECIDE, MAKE THAT DISTINCTION LATE.
WELL, WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DECIDE IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
NOT WAIT UNTIL IT COMES BACK, LESLIE.
AND, AND I JUST, I MEAN THERE'S, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THERE'S NO POINT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE.
I JUST THINK THERE'S LEVELS TO IT.
SO WHAT YOU PUT IN FRONT OF NISSAN AS THE CUSTOMERS ARE WALKING IN WOULD NOT BE WHAT YOU WOULD PUT IN FRONT OF AN UNOCCUPIED, UNLEASED BUILDING, BUT JUST SOME SORT OF CLEANUP.
UM, WE CAN ASK TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY THAT WE CAN DO.
BUT I WOULDN'T IT ASK TO INVEST IN, BUT IT, IT, IT'S, BUT EVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING.
WELL, THAT'S, SO WE CAN DISCUSS, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT ONE OF TWO WAYS.
WE COULD DO IT AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO, TO, TO THE, UH, ZONING BOARD WHEN IT COMES BACK HERE FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
SEE WHAT I THINK, SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE, IF THE, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THINKS WE SHOULD PUT UP SOMETHING THERE AND CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING SPECIFIC WE CAN TRY TO DO, SEE IF THE APPLICANT AGREE TO CONDITION, I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO STOP ANY BUSINESS.
WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, THE SUBDIVISION, WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
BUT EVEN JUST PAINTING IN A PLACE, WE JUST HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
BOARD, MICHAEL BOARD GETS BACK TO US.
SO WE GOTTA DO TWO LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING WHERE THIS IS A TYPE TWO UNDER, UH, SEEKER.
SO IT'S, UNLESS, I'M SORRY, BECAUSE IT'S A SUBDIVISION.
BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY.
HAVE YOU FILED WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS YET? OR WERE YOU WAITING? WE HAVE THE APPLICATION READY TO GO, BASICALLY.
SO, SO WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET ON UNTIL MAY.
SO IF THE PLANNING BOARD DECLARES ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY TONIGHT, THERE'D BE A 30 DAY PERIOD FOR REVIEW FROM RIGHT.
DO THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WELL, WELL, WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THE REC, WELL, WE DO SEEKER.
OH, WE DON'T HAVE TO REC TO ACTUALLY DECIDE ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE, IT SHOULDN'T BE REFERRED TO THE ZONING BOARD UNTIL WE RIGHT.
'CAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION'S NOT, NOT AN AGREEMENT IS NOT A, A, A, UH, BINDING ANYTHING BINDING.
WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THAT SECRET.
HOWEVER, WE USUALLY PACKAGE THEM TOGETHER.
SO, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THE ZONING BOARD UNTIL, WHO'S THE ONLY OTHER INVOLVED AGENCY? THE ZONING BOARD.
SO, SO IF WE CAN SEND IT, WE'LL SEND IT TONIGHT.
IF WE, FIRST OF ALL, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS UNLISTED UNDER SPEAKER? SO MOVED.
ISN'T THAT THERE? THAT'S A PRELIMINARY, UH, PRELIMINARY CLASSIFICATION.
DO NEED A MOTION TO, TO, UH, DECLARE, UH, OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD, LEAD AGENCY.
I, I THINK LET'S LOOK IF IT'S A MOSTLY ZONING RELATED APPLICATION.
ARE WE A MOTION? WALTER? THE MOTION? NO, IT'S NOT.
IT, IT'S NOT, NOT MOSTLY ZONING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A SUBDIVISION.
SO WE ALL, WE ALMOST ALWAYS DO.
AND THAT TRIGGERS THE UNLISTED ACTION.
WHO WERE JUST THE AREA VARIANCES? SUBDIVISION SHOULD BE TYPE TWO.
AND WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THEN WITH THE FINAL DECISION ON SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MICHAEL.
UM, 30 DAY, AS SOON AS WE HEAR BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD IS THAT'LL TRIGGER US MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE.
UH, MY INC I KNOW WHAT MY INCLINATION IS RIGHT NOW, WHAT IT WOULD BE WHEN, WHEN'S THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING? THE NEXT ZONING BOARD
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MEETING.THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE, WELL, THEY'RE NOT, THIS PROJECT IS UNLIKELY TO, WHEN'S THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING? THURSDAY THIS WEEK? THURSDAY.
IT'S THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERYBODY CAN THE ZONING BOARD MAKE A DECISION ON THURSDAY? SO THERE ARE OTHER INTERESTED AGENCIES INCLUDING, UM, DOT IN THE COUNTY.
SO IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THE 30 DAY PERIOD WOULD RUN OUT ON APRIL 17TH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR SECOND APRIL MEETING AND THEIR MEETING'S THE NEXT NIGHT.
SO IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE 17TH, WE CAN GET IT OUT.
THEY COULD HAVE IT IN HAND THE FOLLOWING DAY.
IF YOU CAN GET ON THE SCHEDULE FOR 17TH, 18TH, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY READY TO SUBMIT.
SO BASED ON THIS, I'M ASSUMING WE CAN SUBMIT WITHOUT THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE'LL SUBMIT THE FULL PACKAGE, UM, WE'LL GET EVERYTHING IN AND WE'LL LOOK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION AT THAT MEETING.
AND WE COULD, BUT WE'LL HAVE IT FOR THE NIGHT, THE, THE FOLLOWING EVENING.
WE WOULD HAVE IT PREPPED AHEAD OF TIME.
IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET ON THAT APRIL MEETING.
THE DEADLINE FOR THE, UH, SUBMISSION FOR THE APRIL MEETING WAS MARCH 15TH.
SO YOU'LL BE ON THE MAY MAY MEETING.
WE, SO WE, BUT WE WILL, WE'LL HEAR WHERE WE BEFORE THAT UNDERSTOOD.
AS SOON AS WE WE'RE DECLARED AN AGENCY, WE WILL, WE'LL DO THE RECOMMENDATION.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS CASE, UH, 23 DASH 22.
THAT'S TACA HYUNDAI, FOUR 50 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
THIS IS WHEN PEOPLE STOP TALKING.
UM, THIS IS FOR, UH, PUTTING A, UH, AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP ON WHAT CURRENTLY IS A PARTIALLY USED BUT NOT COMPLETELY USED SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, THAT INCLUDES CENTRAL PARK DANCE.
THERE WAS A CREATIVE PLATE THINGS THERE FOR YEARS.
IT'S BEEN EMPTY NOW FOR FIVE YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE IT'S BEEN EMPTY.
SO THIS IS REPURPOSING THAT ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, MOVING, UH, THE HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION IN THE OLD BARNES AND NOBLE BUILDING ON CENTRAL AVENUE TO THIS LOCATION.
WE HEARD THIS, UH, WE HAD A, A, A PRE-SUBMISSION CON CONFERENCE ON THAT.
GOT SOME COMMENTS FROM US AT THE TIME.
AND, UH, SO NOW IT'S OFFICIALLY HERE TO, TO OFFICIALLY SUBMIT THAT.
SO I'LL TURN THE, THE, UH, IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
HELEN MARCH FROM THE LAW FIRM OF MINSTER MARCH FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, PRESENTING TO YOU THE APPLICATION.
WE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS AT THE, UH, MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
UH, YOU EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORS AND TRUCK DELIVERIES.
UH, WE DID MAKE A FORMAL SUBMISSION AT THE END OF DECEMBER, ON DECEMBER 20TH, AND WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM TOWN STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS.
WE RESPONDED TO THOSE COMMENTS ON MR. CHAIRMAN AND EM OH, WHERE IS THAT? I SOMEHOW IT CAME ON.
WHERE ARE WE ON SEVEN SECOND DELAY.
SO WE, WE, WE SUBMITTED RESPONSES TO, TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, LEGAL, UM, AND, UH, AND WE THEN RESUBMITTED THE, THE PLANS AND THE APPLICATIONS ON FEBRUARY 27TH.
AND, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY KNIGHT TO, UH, ASK YOU TO REVIEW THE PLANS.
ULTIMATELY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, A SPECIAL PERMIT, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, STEEP SLOPES PERMIT, AND SEVERAL, UH, WAIVERS.
UH, SO, UH, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, ADAM SEIBERG FROM INSIGHT, WHO'S HERE THIS EVENING.
I DO ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT ON ZOOM WE HAVE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT TEAM.
WE HAVE MICHAEL SEKO FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM SYNTHESIS.
WE HAVE WALT SHEPHERD, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND MATTHEW BARNETT, WHO'S AN ASSOCIATE OF MINE FROM MINSTER MARCH.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND I'M
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GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ADAM.ADAM BERG FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING SURVEYING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PC.
UM, AS, UH, HELEN MENTIONED THE, UH, THE BOARD IS LIKELY AWARE OF THE SITE WE'RE ON CENTRAL AVE, UH, I'M SORRY, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, UH, ANDMORE ROAD TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF AN EXISTING SITE AND BUILDING.
UH, THE EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING WILL BE RENOVATED, UM, AND THE TWO BUILDINGS WILL BE CONNECTED INTO THE SINGLE DEALERSHIP.
UM, THOUGH THE BUILDING WILL BE RENOVATED AND REPURPOSED, THE SITE WILL SEE RELATIVELY FEW CHANGES.
UM, MOST NOTABLE OF THE, THE CHANGES ARE, UH, SOME RECONFIGURATION OF SOME OF THE CURB LINES.
I WANT TO, UM, NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DRIVEWAY TO AND FROM CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER SUBTLE DRIVEWAY.
I'M, I'M, UH, I'M SORRY, CURB LINE, UH, KIND OF REALIGNMENT, UM, TO SERVE, UH, ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, CIRCULATING THE SITE, AND ALSO TO, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN, CAN NAVIGATE THE, UH, THE ENTIRE SITE TO THE REAR.
UM, AND SO WE'VE MADE SUBTLE CHANGES TO, TO THE CURB LINES TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, HAVING, UH, MODELED, UH, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES GOING THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT PER REQUEST FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE ALSO ADDED AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
UH, SO ONLY USED IN THE CASE OF EMERGENCIES TO DRUM MOORE ROAD FROM DRUM MOORE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT, UH, IF I KIND OF GOING AROUND IT WITH MY MOUSE.
UM, OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES ON THE SITE ARE, UH, LANDSCAPING.
SO IT WAS UNDERSTOOD FROM THE INITIAL MEETING THAT, UH, THE LANDSCAPE, THE EXISTING TREES AND LANDSCAPING, UH, ALONG THE FRONTAGE WERE IMPORTANT THAT THAT BE PRESERVED.
SO WE ARE SHOWING THAT AS PRESERVED.
I JUST WANT TO TRY TO SHOW YOU AS CLEAR, CLEARLY AS I CAN THE PROPOSED AND EXISTING LANDSCAPING.
SO THIS, UH, THIS FIGURE SHOWS ALL OF THE PER THE PROPOSED PERVIOUS AREAS.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A BUILDING OR PAVED, UH, IS IN GREEN.
AND THEN THE, THE BOLDER SYMBOLS ARE PROPOSED PLANTINGS.
BUT JUST FOR CONTEXT, I ALSO JUST WANNA SHOW YOU, UM, AN AN APPROXIMATION OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT'S THERE.
SO THE MORE KIND OF FADED OUT TREES AND, AND LANDSCAPING THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY THE, THE EXISTING, UH, TREE LINE AND, AND OTHER PLANTINGS.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE BOULDER DARKER ONES HAVE BEEN KIND OF SET NESTLED INTO THE EXISTING, UH, LANDSCAPE CONTEXT THERE.
UM, SO YES, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, RETAINED THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND WE'VE ALSO, UH, AUGMENTED THAT PLANTING WITH, WITH ADDITIONAL SHRUBS, UH, AND TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
IS THOSE LOW, LOW, LOW GROWING SHRUBS LIKE, LIKE HOLLY'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, SO SOME, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SHRUBS THAT ARE SHOWN BETWEEN THE EXISTING TREES ARE LOWER GROWING.
UM, THE AT BY THE, THE PROJECT SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE, THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE MORE DECORATIVE SHRUBS.
WE ARE SHOWING SOME EVERGREEN TREES AS WELL.
UM, AMERICAN HOLLY AND I THINK A COUPLE OTHERS.
BE CAREFUL WITH THE DECORATIVE TREES, JUST FROM A SIGHT LINE POINT OF VIEW.
CENTRAL AVENUE IS SO BAD FOR SO, SUCH A DANGEROUS PLACE.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING NOTHING TO BLOCK THE SIGHT LINE.
SO, SO THOSE WILL BE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING TREES.
IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL ACTUALLY, IF I SHOW YOU A STREET VIEW, WHICH DIDN'T COME UP, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT LATER.
THEY'RE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL NEAR THE PARKING.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE, THE, THE MOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IS OUT HERE.
UM, SO YOU'LL BE, BY THE TIME YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, MAKING YOUR TURN AND LOOKING IN EITHER DIRECTION, YOU'LL BE WELL BEYOND, UH, THOSE PLANTINGS 'CAUSE THEY STAY ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE'VE ALSO ADDED PLANTINGS AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO, UH, AUGMENTED THE, THE, THE WOOD LINE, THE BUFFER THAT EXISTS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE MORE FADED TREES ARE AN APPROXIMATION OF THE EXISTING TREE LINE.
AND THEN WE'RE ADDING, UH, EVERGREEN TREES TO, UH, TO SUPPLEMENT THAT AS WELL.
UH, ONE ITEM THAT WE JUST WANNA NOTE ON, UH, RELATED TO LANDSCAPING IS, UH, ONE OF THE WAIVERS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING WAS, UM, UH, WAS FOR A REQUIREMENT WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE A, A, A CURBED TREE ISLAND, UH, EVERY 15 PARKING SPACES.
SO WE DO HAVE IN EXCESS OF 15, UM, SPACES WITHOUT A CURBED ISLAND IN A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS.
SO A COUPLE LOCATIONS IN THE FRONT, AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW LONGER STRETCHES IN THE BACK.
UM, SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THE BOARD WILL, UH, ACCEPT THAT, UH, WAIVER, GIVEN THAT ONE.
THIS IS A PREEXISTING, UH, SITE AND THIS IS A PRE PREEXISTING NONCONFORMITY.
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AND THOUGH WE DO HAVE MORE THAN 15 SPACES IN A FEW LOCATIONS, WE ALSO HAVE, I, WE HAVE END ISLANDS AND WE HAVE ISLANDS IN BETWEEN THE BAYS OF PARKING THAT HAVE TREES.SO IT'S, IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THIS IS JUST A HUGE PARKING LOT THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY DEVOID OF TREES.
SO ONE THING THAT THIS DOESN'T REALLY CAPTURE IS THAT AS YOU COME IN TO THE SITE, YOU'RE DOWN AT THE KIND OF THE LOW POINT OF THE SITE.
I KNOW MY DAUGHTER WENT TO A DANCE SCHOOL THERE.
AND THEN YOU, YOU COME IN AROUND HERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING UP, UP SLOPE HERE, AND THEN YOU'RE AT ANOTHER LEVEL AND THEN YOU COME UP ANOTHER LEVEL, RIGHT? AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE, THE, THE SITE IS KIND OF SET INTO THE HEAD.
BUT NOW CAN'T YOU GET FROM THAT THIRD LEVEL THOUGH, BACK DOWN? I DON'T SEE NOW YOU HAVE TO COME THE WAY YOU HAVE THIS CONFIGURED, THERE'S NO WAY RIGHT.
WITH THIS ADDITION, I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU COULD, YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY, YOU CAN GO THROUGH, THROUGH ON THE THIRD LEVEL NOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO WITH THE ADDITION.
THE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE ABOUT VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE SITE.
SO IF I JUMP BACK NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE FRONT.
THE THIRD LEVEL YOU COULD GO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN WAY THAT YOU COULD GO THROUGH WITH STEPS THAT, THAT, THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AMANDA, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? AND MIKE, OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE LOAD LOADING TRUCK SPACES.
SO ARE THEY GOING TO ACCESS THROUGH THE EMERGENCY ACCESS? 'CAUSE I THINK YOU SAID THAT'S GONNA BE CLOSED OFF UNLESS IT'S FOR A FIRE, BUT OTHERWISE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PROPOSING
YOU GOT THIS EXTENSION
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AND AROUND THE SITE OTHERWISE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD COME IN FROM CENTRAL PARK AVE.
THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE SITE JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WAS ACCESSING THE REAR OF THE, THE BUILDING, AND THEY WOULD UNLOAD FROM THOSE LOADING SPACES THAT ARE SHOWN.
WELL, HOW DID THEY GET THERE? I CAN'T, IS IS THIS CUT OFF OR IS IT IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME WAY YOU WOULD GET UP THERE CURRENTLY.
YEAH, YOU WOULD COME UP, YOU COME THROUGH THE ENTRANCE AND COME UP THE HILL A LITTLE BIT.
YOU GO THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS PARKING AREA, YOU GO AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD DO IT TODAY.
TO FOLLOW UP ON AMANDA'S QUESTION THEN, SO YOU COULDN'T GET A TRAILER TRUCK, UH, FROM CENTRAL AVENUE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING? UH, NO.
WE'VE, WE'VE REDESIGNED THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET A FIRE TRUCK.
BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BIG 18 WHEEL OR TRYOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT CARRIER VERSUS YEAH, SO NO, YOU, YOU, YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T, BUT I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
WE'RE PROPOSING THAT CARS WILL NOT BE DELIVERED TO THIS SITE ON CAR CARRIERS.
THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL, THEY'LL BE DELIVERED CONDITION.
AND, AND WHAT ABOUT THE SIZE OF TRUCK ANTICIPATED FOR DELIVERY OF PARTS? SMALL.
SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE DELIVERY OF PARTS AND OTHER JUST GENERAL OFFICE SUPPLIES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND IT WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE A TYPICAL BOX TRUCK.
SO DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LANDSCAPE WAIVER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YES.
DO YOU NEED THAT MANY PARKING SPOTS? SO WE NEED, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS 92, UH, TO MEET THE CODE.
AND THAT IS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE AS PARKING SPACES THAT'LL BE DEDICATED FOR EMPLOYEES, UH, AND VISITORS TO THE SITE CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT EXISTS ON THE SITE.
AND THE BALANCE OF THOSE SPACES WILL BE USED ONE FOR, UH, DISPLAY.
SO THE SPACES THAT YOU SEE CLOSER TO THE ROAD, WHICH I THINK IS THE LOGICAL THING, UM, WOULD BE MOSTLY DEDICATED FOR DISPLAY, UH, SPACES.
AND THE, UH, MOST OF THE SPACES IN THE REAR, UM, AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, WOULD BE USED FOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
SO VEHICLES THAT ARE THERE ON SITE TO BE SOLD.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE, BUT THOSE SPACES ARE, ARE GONNA BE DEDICATED FOR DEALERSHIP USE.
THE REASON FOLLOWING UP, THE REASON WE HAVE THIS THING, IT'S CODE TO HAVE TWO THINGS.
ONE IS TO CREATE A LESS OF OFFER, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
AND ALSO TO BREAK UP THE SORT OF ALL THESE PARKING.
IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST FOR THE STORAGE OF IT, CAN YOU MAKE IT A, UH, RE REPAY THE THING SO IT WILL BE IMPERVIOUS, UH, SURFACE OF SOME KIND, EITHER PER V PAVER OR JUST PUT A GRASS BECAUSE IF IT'S A OR, OR, OR SOME OTHER THING, WHICH IS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT.
WELL LOOK, THEY HAVE ABOUT 15 EXTRA PARKING SPACE.
AS, AS THINGS STAND NOW, UH, BASED ON THE RE UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, WE ARE, UH, ANTICIPATING A CLOSE TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT
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REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON THE SITE.BUT SO THIS WILL THERE SOME MORE, THIS WILL CREATE A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
WALTER, DID I HAVE A COMMENT? WALTER? OKAY.
UM, WE KNOW THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS, THE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING IS, IS EXCESS.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED THOSE SPACES TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS.
RIGHT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE AT LEAST THREE USES FOR THOSE SPACES.
ONE IS FOR, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS DESCRIBING, UH, VISITORS TO THE SITE AND EMPLOYEES.
THE OTHERS ARE FOR STORAGE BECAUSE, AND THE OTHER IS FOR DISPLAY.
YOU HAVE EXTRA SPACE THEN I WOULD SAY LAND BANK NOW, BUT, BUT SEEING HOW YOU HAVE A USE, THEY, THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE A USE FOR IT.
SO I I I, THEY HAVE MORE THAN A USE FOR PROBLEM.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE, UM, THE SPACING OF THE TREES THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING EVERY 15 FEET.
THAT IN ITSELF IS NOT, DOESN'T BOTHER ME PROVIDING THERE'S AMPLE TREES AROUND THE SITE TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT.
AND I WOULD, WHICH I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO YOUR JUDGMENT IF YOU, RIGHT.
SO THERE ARE NOT LARGE AND VAST SEAS OF ASPHALT DUE TO THE CHANGE IN GRADE AND THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THAT GO BETWEEN THE TIERS OF SPACES, SO TO SPEAK.
THERE IS VEGETATION AND THEREFORE, SO THAT BEING THAT THERE'S NOT ONE BUMPED OUT AND CURBED ISLAND THAT HAS A TREE IN IT, UM, BREAKING OUT PLENTY, BREAKING UP LINEAR SPACES OF 15 OR MORE IS NOT A CON YOU KNOW, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A CONCERN IN THAT REGARD AND WOULD SUPPORT THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDERING THE WAIVER.
I WANNA GO BACK TO THE PARKING THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK BRIDGE.
I'VE ALSO VISITED THAT THEY'RE SHOPPING FOR A CAR ON TWO OCCASIONS AND NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A, A PLACE TO PARK.
WHY? BECAUSE YOU HAVE CARS MOSTLY USED STACKED UP, ONE BEHIND THE OTHER, NOT EVEN IN A REGULAR PARKING SPACE.
IN FACT, THERE'VE BEEN TWICE, I THINK THE THREE TIMES WE'VE HAD TO COMPLAIN.
NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE CARS THERE, BUT YOU HAVE CARS BEHIND THE DINER, UH, PARKED BEHIND THE DINER.
SO MY QUESTION IS, CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY HOW MANY CARS ON AVERAGE ARE YOU HOLDING BETWEEN THE LOT? THE BARNES AND LOW, WHAT I CALL THE BARNES AND NOBLE LOT YOUR EXISTING PLACE AND WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY LEASING FROM THE PEOPLE, THE DINER, WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY BEHIND THERE.
HOW MANY CARS ARE THERE? BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING IT'S MORE THAN YOUR ENTIRE, UH, CAPACITY HERE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
BUT TO GET, I THINK TO THE, TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO GET AT, WE ARE SHOWING DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE SPACES THAT ARE TO BE USED FOR SPECIFIC USES.
AND SO WE'VE BROKEN THESE UP, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S, WE KIND OF CODIFIED IT ON THE SITE PLAN WITH DIFFERENT SHAPES.
SO THESE ARE SEVEN PARKING SPACES.
THE DIAMOND SHAPE AND THAT THIS IS EXPLAINED IN A, IN A TABLE HERE ARE DEDICATED, UH, VEHICLE STORAGE SPACES.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 12 CARS THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, I WILL BET YOU THERE ARE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED CARS ON THAT LOT OR MAYBE MORE.
AND THEY'RE NOT IN ANY DESIGN.
ABOUT 40% PERCENT OF THEM MAY BE MORE, ARE NOT EVEN IN A DESIGNATED PARKING SPACE 'CAUSE THEY'RE STACKED UP TO TWO OR THREE DEEP.
SO THE POINT OF CODIFYING THIS IN THE SITE PLAN IS TO PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS CODIFIED IN THE SITE PLAN SO THAT IT'S MEANT TO BE USED IN THE WAY THAT IT'S SHOWN RIGHT NOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE LOO LOOK TO, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEALERSHIPS IN GREENBURG BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY GOOD FOR THE TOWN ECONOMICALLY.
THEY REALLY OUGHT TO BRING PEOPLE IN.
THEY, THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF TAX MONEY FOR SALES TAX AND PROPERTY TAX BOTH.
AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T BURDEN BURDEN SCHOOLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY'RE GREAT THINGS TO HAVE.
WE, WE DID THE LAW TO MAKE THIS EASIER.
A COUPLE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW, WE, WE DID THE LAW ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
ONE OF OUR CONCERNS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD A MINIMUM ACREAGE SIZE AT THE TIME WAS WE DIDN'T WANT TO USE CAR LOTS ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE.
UNFORTUNATELY, HYUNDAI DEALER RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE A USED CAR LOT THE WAY IT IS
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NOW.AND I WANT, I REALLY WANT ASSURANCE, I, I'M ALL FOR THIS FOR LOTS OF REASONS THE WAY YOU'RE BREAKING IT UP, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO RUN AN OPERATION.
'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF CARS ARE THERE NOW.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DO, I WANNA SEE THE COMPARISON.
YOU UNDERST SAYING YOU CAN INCORPORATE A CONDITION ABOUT PARKING ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN AS, AS MODIFIED.
THAT'D BE HELPFUL WRITING THAT.
BUT I, I, I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I, BUT WHAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR YOUR OWN EDIFICATION, WHAT ARE GONNA DO THE OVERFLOW.
AND THE OBVIOUS QUESTION TOO IS NOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT YOU'LL NEVER GET A CARRIER TRUCK UP THERE.
HOW ARE THE CARS GOING TO GET THERE AND WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? WANT ME TO TAKE THIS ONE? SURE.
UH, SO, UH, THE TASCA FAMILY HAS OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, IN ONE IN WHITE PLAINS AND ONE IN YONKERS.
SO BY CROSS COUNTY, THE BIG, THE BIG FORD DEALERSHIP AND SUBARU.
SO, SO THE, THE VEHICLES WILL BE DRIVEN FROM ONE OF THOSE TWO PLACES.
IT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN THE ONE ON WHITE PLAINS.
AND TO THIS, TO, TO THIS SITE.
SO THAT'S, UM, THAT WAS BE DRIVEN INDIVIDUALLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
SEEING TRUCKS IN THE MIDDLE OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT COULD BE A CONDITION TOO.
UM, ANYWAYS, WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT OR NO, NO.
THAT, THAT, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
UH, MY FIRST QUESTION, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC WHEN PEOPLE COME IN FOR SERVICE? I'M GUESSING YOU GO UP TO THAT THIRD LEVEL AND UNDER WHAT LOOKS LIKE AN OVERHANG AND OUT, BUT CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT FIRST OF ALL? YEAH.
SO VEHICLES, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, THE IDEA IS THAT VEHICLES WOULD COME IN OFF OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
THEY WOULD UNDER NORMAL BUSINESS CONDITIONS, BE ABLE TO COME IN.
THEY COULD QUEUE IN THIS LINE HERE AND BE BROUGHT INTO THE SERVICE, UM, BAYS THAT ARE INSIDE OF THIS PART OF THE ADDITION.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A SECOND, UH, SERVICE BAY, UH, IN THIS LOCATION HERE, WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME IN EITHER PARK IN, IN ONE OF THESE PARKING SPACES HERE OR IN THE COUPLE THAT ARE LOCATED HERE.
WE WERE ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO, UH, IDENTIFY SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR SERVICE USE.
SO WE HAVE THESE TWO, AND I THINK THESE ONES OVER HERE.
BUT I THINK THE GENERAL OPERATION WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD COME IN, THEY WOULD QUEUE IN THESE LANES AND BE BROUGHT INTO THESE SERVICE BAY, UH, FOR, FOR THEIR SERVICE.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE USE AND FLOW WOULD BE FOR THOSE.
I FIGURED IT WOULD BE MORE DISPLAY THAN MM-HMM.
BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON THERE.
WE, WE COULD HAVE THE ARCHITECT JUMP IN ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THE, THE, THE ANSWER IS THAT THE, THESE ARE HERE, UH, FOR DISPLAY VEHICLES TO BE JUST BROUGHT INTO THE SHOWROOM.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF THE USE.
SO THEY WOULD BE USED ONLY IN THE EVENT THAT A NEW SHOW VEHICLE WAS BEING BROUGHT INTO THE SHOWROOM.
SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A GLASS BEHIND THE DOOR.
WE PROBABLY COULD SEE A DESIGN OF THE DOOR.
I THINK THAT'S A, ANYTHING ELSE, TOM? THAT'S IT.
JOHANN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SINCE I'M, WE'RE RESUMING RIGHT NOW? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
WHERE THE HANDICAP SPACES LOCATED? MM-HMM.
WE HAVE HANDICAP SPACES, UH, RIGHT HERE.
SO THERE'LL BE THAT ENTRANCE THAT YOU SAW IN THE RENDERING.
UH, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THAT.
THAT'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE SHOWROOM? YES.
SHOWROOM'S ON SECOND COMMON OUT ONLY ONE SPACE.
UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S, THE SHOWROOM IS ON TWO FLOORS, BUT THERE'S AN ELEVATOR.
BUT ONLY ONE HANDICAPPED SPACE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE.
COULD YOU LOCATE THE OTHER PLEASE? ONE THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHAIR.
AND THERE WERE TWO MORE IN THE BACK.
SO THERE, THERE'S FOUR TOTAL AND I AND THOSE FOUR.
NONE NEAR THE SERVICE AREA THOUGH.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO INTO PARTS OR SOMETHING.
WHERE'S THE PARTS DEPARTMENT? IS THAT BY THE SERVICE AR AREA? THE PARTS DEPARTMENT IS BACK IN THE, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING HERE.
SO IT IS BY THE PART, THE OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY BECAUSE I, I'M ING OF HOW WE CHECK THAT PART.
TO ANOTHER, WHEN YOU COME IN THE SERVICE AREA, YOU QUEUE, LET'S SAY FOR WHATEVER REASON THERE'S A BACKUP.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, USUALLY THEY'LL HAVE SOMEBODY, IT'S NOT A VALET, BUT THEY'LL TAKE YOUR CAR AND PARK IT AND YOU LEAVE AND YOU COME BACK.
SO IF IT WERE SOMEONE WHO WAS HANDICAPPED
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WHO WAS DRIVING, I I IF SOMEONE WOULD PROBABLY PICK THEM UP, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE PARKING IN THE SERVICE AREA.WELL, WHY WOULD THEY PICK UP A LOANER CAR? A WHAT? THEY GET A, PEOPLE DO GET LOANER CARS TOO.
BUT THEY HAVE GREAT WARRANTY ON THOSE CARS.
BUT WOULD, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HANDICAPPED.
WOULD THE, I DON'T THINK THE HANDICAP PERSON GOING TO SERVICE OR DISABLED PERSON, I'M SORRY.
WOULD HAVE TO, UM, LEAVE THE CAR THEN COME DOWN TO PARK HANDICAP.
WELL, WHAT I, WHAT I NEED A PARKING SPACE.
BUT WHAT I'M, I'M SAYING THAT GET OUT OF THE CAR.
WITH MY, MY DEALERSHIP, WHERE MY CAR IS, I GO VISIT THERE IS VALET PARKING, GET OUT OF THE CAR.
HE GIVES YOU A TICKET, SENDS YOU INSIDE TO SEE THE SERVICE DIRECTOR.
WHICH HOPEFULLY IS RIGHT BY THAT.
OR MAYBE THEY EVEN DO IT IN SOME PLACES.
I KNOW LIKE THE SUBARU DEALER UP HERE IN ELFORD DOES IT, YOU ACTUALLY NEVER HAVE TO GET OUTTA YOUR CAR, GET OUTTA YOUR CAR INSIDE AND THE SERVICE DIRECTOR'S RIGHT THERE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE.
BUT THEN IF YOU'RE GETTING A LOAN, A CAR, WHERE DO YOU PICK UP THE LOAN LOAN OF CAR? THAT'S A QUESTION.
WE CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW ONLY PICK UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT WHERE I GO NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'LL BE.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DESIGNATED SPACES, BUT DO YOU HAVE, UM, SERVICE CARS TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE AND CARS THAT ARE BEING SERVICED WHILE WAITING FOR SERVICE OR WITH SERVICES FINISHED WAITING TO PICK UP, TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A CHART OF, OKAY, WE HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPACES IT IS TOTAL, TAKE A TOTAL NUMBER OF SPACES AND ALLOCATE THEM ON A CHART FOR US.
IS THAT ON THAT CHART, WE, WE HAVE DESIGNATED, UH, PARKING SPACES IN SUMMARY.
CAME IN JUST A BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I CAN'T, MY EYES AREN'T THAT GOOD.
THAT'S VISITORS, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING.
SO VISITORS LEFT SALES TO THE LEFT IT SAYS PARK FOR VEHICLES AWAITING SERVICE.
SO THE, SO, SO THAT'S THE SYMBOL.
WE'RE USING THIS HEXAGON SYMBOL FOR, SO THOSE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DROPPED OFF AWAITING OR HAVE OR AWAITING TO BE PICKED UP ONE OF THE TWO.
SO THOSE ARE DESIGNATED ON THE PLAN.
WE CAN GET YOU A NUMBER, THE TOTAL NUMBER QUANTIFY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL VERSUS MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST ADD 'EM UP RIGHT NOW VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT VERSUS IF THEY KNOW ROUGHLY WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING.
SO I ACTUALLY DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
I BELIEVE YOU ANSWERED IT IN THEIR RESPONSE.
IF YOU GET, MAKE SURE, YEAH, I THINK IT'S 11 DEDICATED SPACES.
BUT WE CAN GET YOU A, A DEFINITE NUMBER.
AND I THINK YOU ALSO PROVIDED THE, UM, NUMBER OF SERVICE, UH, LIKE ROUTINE SERVICE, UH, CUSTOMERS THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THAT WAS IN THE, OUR FORMAL RESPONSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, CORRECT.
UH, WOULDN'T BE THE WAY WHERE YOU HAVE A, A HANDICAPPED PARKING WOULDN'T BE BETTER IF IT'S A CLOSER TO THAT, UH, UH, THE, THE SORT OF DRIVEWAY TO THE SERVICE BAY.
AH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN HERE? UH, YEAH.
SO THAT IF SOMEBODY, LIKE WHAT LESLIE HAS A QUESTION, UH, THAT THEY COULD BE PARKED THERE OR THEY CAN JUST COME YEAH.
SO RATHER THAN WALKING THROUGH THE, UH, SORT OF ACTIVE LANE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRANSPORT.
I MEAN WE, WE DO HAVE A CHALLENGE OF ELEVATION CHANGE FROM, FROM THIS ELEVATION BAY OF PARKING TO THE FLOOR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH AGAIN, IS KIND OF DICTATED BY THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, SO GETTING AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO HERE WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.
UH, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT PUTTING A HANDICAP SPACE IN THIS BAY HERE THAT, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE SERVICE FROM A LEVEL POINT OF VIEW.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT YOU, THOSE ARE TIERS.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LITTLE SLOPE.
IF YOU PARK THERE, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE YEAH.
BUT IF YOU PARK, WELL, YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE BUILDING.
IS THERE AN ENTRANCE WHERE THE EXISTING A DA SPACES ARE RIGHT NOW TO PROPOSE AADA A SPACES ARE RIGHT NOW? YES.
SO THERE'S TWO HANDICAP SPACES HERE, AND THERE'S UH, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE SHOWROOM.
THERE ARE TWO HANDICAP SPACES HERE.
AND THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, THE, THE PARTS DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO FURTHER THROUGH TO THE SHOWROOM AS WELL.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ADDING ONE IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
WHERE YOU COULD ACCESS THE SERVICE PART.
YOU DID MENTION THAT THERE WERE ELEVATORS INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THEY COME IN ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THROUGH THE SHOWROOM, THE ELEVATOR CAN TAKE THEM UP TO ANY NUMBER OF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE BUILDING, CORRECT? YEAH.
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TOM, DID YOU ALSO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH, I DO.I DON'T UN I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF A PARKING SPOT NEAR THE SERVICE.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE BRINGING YOUR CAR FOR SERVICE, YOU'RE GONNA GET OUT OF IT.
IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE OVERHANG.
AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT SPACE? YOU'RE NOT GONNA AGREE.
AGAINST HANDICAPPED PARK OR DISABLED PARKING.
I JUST DON'T SEE WHY YOU'RE USING IT.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA WALK? THEY'RE GONNA DROP OFF THE CAR AND I AGREE.
AND THEN, THEN ALSO THERE'LL BE A HIGHEST, IT'S VALID EVERYBODY, UH, VOLUME AT THAT AREA AS WELL.
WHEREAS ON THE FIRST LEVEL IS KIND OF DEAD END.
UH, SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF THERE BEING A LOT OF THROUGH TRAFFIC WILL BE SLIMMER.
I THINK IT'S FINE WHERE IT IS.
THERE'S NO OTHER, THERE'S NO PLACE ON THE BOTTOM JOHAN.
YOU COULD PUT IT TO THE FRONT END, TO THE ENTRANCE, TO THE SHOWROOM.
I THOUGHT THE ADDITIONAL FOR THE SERVICE AREA WAS NOT FOR DROP OFF.
I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WELL PICKUP, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU DROP THE PERSON OFF, THEY'RE STILL NOT DRIVING.
THEY EITHER HAVE TO DROP OFF A CAR, A LOANER CAR, OR SOMEONE'S GOING, THEY'RE GONNA RIDE THERE GENERALLY.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL THE SAME PLACE.
GENERALLY IT'S THE SAME PLACE.
ALTHOUGH I, I MEAN LESLIE HAS THE POINT.
I KNOW WHEN I GO PICK UP MY CAR, IT'S OUT IN THE SPACE AND YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET IT.
BUT IF YOU'RE DISABLED AND YOUR CAR IS IN A REGULAR SPACE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE.
I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, IF THEY DO DO THAT, THEY ASK THEM TO GO GET IT FOR THEM.
IF YOU JUST, IF YOU'RE DISABLED.
THEY, THEY, THEY SERVICE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU HAVE TO WALK OUT, YOU'D ASK SOMEBODY TO GET THE CAR FOR YOU.
IF THEY CAN'T WALK IN AND LET, LEMME ASK QUESTION AGAIN.
THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES.
WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT THEM WHEREVER THE BOARD THINKS THEY'RE MOST APPROPRIATE.
BUT WHEN THE CARS ARE DONE, ARE THEY DELIVERED TO THE CUSTOMER OR THE, THE CUSTOMER AFTER TO COME TO THE FACILITY? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CUSTOMER COMES BACK TO THE FACILITY AND PICKS UP THEIR CAR.
THIS IS HYUNDAI SOUTH MERCEDES.
WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE TOO DEEP IN THE, ALRIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TOPIC.
THAT, HOW THE LIGHTING IS DONE IN THE, IN THE, ALL THESE PARKING.
IT'S A SAME OR IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT IT'LL IT'LL BE AND THE THE LIGHTING, THE, THE, THE YOUR, YOUR SIGHT LIGHTING WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE EXISTING LIGHTING.
IS THAT ENOUGH? AND BI THINK SOME OF THEM MAY BE, UH, COULD BE IMPROVED SO THAT, UH, NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT GET A, UH, LOT OF SPILL OVER.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING FIXTURES AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER REPORT BACK.
I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ITS' THINK THEY ARE CHANGE CONSIDERATION COULD BE GIVEN TO DARK SKY COMPLIANT PARKING, PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY WITH THE NATURE CENTER IN THE REAR.
THEY MAY HAVE EVENING I FROM MY RECOLLEC.
I I I WHY DO YOU THINK I RECALL THEM BEING, YOU KNOW, FULL CUTOFF, DOWNWARD FACING? THEY MAY BE, BUT, UM, I BACK JUST FOR WHY I SAY, WE'LL, I'LL GIVE, WE'LL GIVE IT A LOOK AND REPORT BACK JUST TO MAKE SURE.
I MEAN IF, IF THAT WAY, NOW EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO CONVERT 'EM.
WE JUST DON'T WANT THE, WE WANNA KEEP THE, THE LIGHTING ENVELOPE AS ON, ON PROPERTY IF POSSIBLE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE, IT MEETS THE CURRENT LIGHTING STANDARD.
IT'S LIKE THE OLD LIFE FROM MY GRANDFATHER.
MORE QUESTION IS THAT WITH, WITH ALL THE ADDED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, IS THAT MEETS THE, UH, STILL THE RUNOFF STANDARD? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS REDUCTION.
DUCTION AN OVERALL REDUCTION, YEAH.
RIGHT NOW IT'S, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN UP THERE, THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT FOR SURE FOR THAT, FOR THAT PART.
BECAUSE I SAW THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICE AREAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE, THAT'S OVER EXISTING IMPERVIOUS MOSTLY.
AND ANYTHING ELSE, GUYS? OKAY.
WHAT? YEAH, LET'S PUT IT OUT FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK ON THE APPLICANT'S END TO GET RESPONSES.
UM, YOU TELL ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S TOO COMPLEX.
DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET SOMETHING BACK IN WHICH ONE, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE TO LATE NEXT WEEK? YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF I THINK SO.
AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE PROVIDED, I JUST COULDN'T PULL IT UP ON MY COMPUTER.
SO IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO SUMMARIZE IT AGAIN, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE IT, BUT JUST SO YOU HAVE IT THE TOP OF THE PILE, I THINK JUST IN THE RESPONSE.
THAT'S HELPFUL FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE.
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I'D LIKE TO HELP USE APRIL THIRD'S FINE.THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IF YOU CAN GET IT IN THE, IN A FEW DAYS BEFORE TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE GENERALLY SEND THE, WHAT'S THE FRIDAY BEFORE THAT? WELL, THAT'S WHY I SAID BY NEXT, YOU KNOW, THURSDAY, FRIDAY THE LATEST BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE PACKET GIVES YOU ABOUT A WEEKEND.
I, I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW YOU ANSWERED AMANDA.
YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ON CUSTOMERS SERVICE PER DAY.
I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY CARS THEY HAVE ON IT.
WE, WE PROVIDED THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA JUST THROW IT OUT FROM MEMORY.
THAT MIC IS ON AT THE, UH, PODIUM.
OH, YOU CAN'T HEAR? I CAN'T HEAR YOU NOW.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, SO ACTUALLY IF WE, IF WE COULD HAVE THE SUBMISSION, I APOLOGIZE, BY WEDNESDAY THE 27TH, CLOSE OF BUSINESS.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, YOU'LL WANT TO HAVE THE NEIGHBOR'S MAILING ADDRESSES.
WE'LL PREPARE THAT NOTICE AS WELL AS THE SIGN TO BE PUT ON THE SITE.
AND WE'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU MIDWEEK.
AND WE HAVE TO COME PICK IT UP THE SIGN? YES.
WE WILL EMAIL YOU THE INSTRUCTIONS AS WELL AS THE NOTICE ITSELF.
BUT THE SIGN GETS PICKED UP HERE.
OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE WE LEAVE, WHICH IS CLEAN UP, UH, SOME LANGUAGE.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE UH, WE, WE AGREED TO IT.
UM, ONE IS VERY SIMPLE AND OBVIOUS THAT WE FORGOT ABOUT, WHICH IS BE TO ENSURE THAT WHILE WE'RE ADDING AN A DU, UH, TO A HOUSE THAT'S TREATED FOR TAX PURPOSES AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WE DON'T WANT TO TREAT IT AS A CONDO.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD REDUCE THE TAXES SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO IT, I'M CIRCULATING A REVISED DRAFT THAT INCORPORATES THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
SO THE RED IS THE ORIGINALLY NO, NO, NO.
JUST TAKE THE FIRST TWO PAGES AND THEN YEAH.
THE RED IS WHAT WE CIRCULATED BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.
PROBABLY THE GREEN IS WHAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE ADDED BY BOARD MEMBERS.
WHERE'S THE GREEN? OKAY, I SEE IT.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ADDITIONAL, OKAY, WHAT WAS THE SECTION BUT THE NO, YOU CAN SHARE PLEASE.
THE TWO HERE, THERE ARE TWO SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES.
ONE OF THEM WAS THAT, THE OTHER ONE WAS SOMETHING WALTER ONE, DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT IT.
THE, THE DATE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, EXPLAIN IT IF YOU COULD AND POINT TO THE PAGE.
UM, THOSE ONLINE, I OFFERED A, I OFFERED THAT, UH, UH, THAT THE LAW TAKES EFFECT AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.
JUST TO PREVENT A PERSON WHO SAY, WELL, IF I, IF I PUT IN, UH, A ILLEGAL, UH, DWELLING TODAY, THEN I DO NOT HAVE TO COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
IT WOULD BE AN EXISTENCE AS OF AS OF JANUARY, 2020.
SO BY SAYING THAT, THAT UNIT HAD TO BE IN EXISTENCE AS OF JANUARY, THE LEGALIZATION OF THIS YEAR, ONE CANNOT SORT OF BACKDATE THE APPLICATION AND SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN THE A DU IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE, SO WE STAFF HAD SOME COMMENT OR FEEDBACK REGARDING THAT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO TRACK WHEN AN ILLEGAL UNIT IS OCCUPIED.
BUT MR. SIMON HAD A SUGGESTION.
SO I SAID, AND THAT'S VERY TRUE, THAT IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO, UH, UH, TRACK.
BUT WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A A DU APPLICATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT THAT UNIT EXISTED AS OF DECEMBER 31ST OF THAT PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND YOU KNOW, AND IT'LL BE SUBJECT TO WHEN WE COULD FIND OUT, IT'LL BE SUBJECT TO A SUBSTANTIAL FINE IF WE EVER DISCOVERED THAT THAT WAS, UH, JUST TRYING TO PEOPLE ON AN INACCURATE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE IN THE APPLICATION.
SO THIS IS RESPECT TO, BUT WALTER, YES.
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KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DO HAVE A GRACE PERIOD OF A YEAR AFTER THE LAW IS IMPLEMENTED SO THAT ANYBODY THAT HAS A D COULD RETROACTIVELY APPLY TO HAVE THE A DU LEGALIZED.NO, NO, THAT'S NOT, WE'RE SAYING NO, NO, NO.
A PERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A, UH, ILLEGAL A DU TODAY CAN SAY THAT I COULD BILL AN ILLEGAL A DU TOMORROW AND CLEAR IT IS, UH, UH, EXISTING AND THEN BYPASS THE PLANNING BOARD AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE LAW.
TO MAKE NEW, UH, ILLEGAL DWELLINGS, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UH, PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD WE PROVE THAT? OR HOW WOULD THEY CERTIFY? NO, I'M SAYING YOU, IT'S HARD.
ALL YOU CAN DO IS THAT WHAT, IN THE APPLICATION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT, THAT A DU EXISTED ON DECEMBER 31ST.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT, UH, THAT IT EXISTS.
AND IF AT SOME WAY DOWN THE LINE IT IS SHOWN THAT FOR SOME OTHER REASON, WE FIND THAT, THAT, UH, WAS INACCURATE, YOU'D BE SUBJECT TO A FINE AND THEN YOU WOULD HA HAVE TO COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU COULD NOT GO TO THE BUILDINGS DEPARTMENT.
YOUR, YOUR PRIOR LEGALIZATION APPROVAL COULD BE PULLED, REVOKED, AND YOU'D BE ROUTED TO THE P BOARD BUILDING PROBLEM.
YOU, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THAT EXTENDED PERIOD TO BE LEGALIZED IF YOU, UH, SIGN A FRAUDULENT DOCUMENT.
LESLIE HAD MISLEADING STATEMENT, A MISLEADING STATEMENT.
I THOUGHT THAT ANY A DU, WHETHER OR NOT A STRUCTURE SIMILAR TO THAT ALREADY EXISTED STILL HAD TO COME THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD ONLY.
ONLY IN THAT THEY'RE CALLING IT AN A DU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SO THAT PERSON CAN SAY, OH, I GOT THIS, I GOT THIS, I GOT THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND IF, IF IT DOESN'T COMPLY, WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD THEN BOUNCE IT BACK TO? NO, THEY REQUIRE IT TO BE UP TO CODE, TO CODE, GO AFTER THE CODE AND THEY, NO, AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL HANDLE IT.
OR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD GO OUT, HAVE BUILDING INSPECTOR GO OUT AND SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE.
THERE'S NOT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TO START ALL OVER HERE.
CAN I ASK, UM, AMANDA, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL? SO ACTUALLY A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES DO DO IEDS THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
I'VE SEEN IT ACTUALLY WHERE, I MEAN, DATING IT AS OF JANUARY 1ST, I THINK THAT IT DISCOURAGES, UH, BAD ACTORS FROM, FROM TAKING ACTION TO BUILD AND TRY TO SAY THAT THEY, THEY'VE EXISTED RETROACTIVELY.
ERIC, WHAT DOES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THINK ABOUT IT? I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
DO WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS, UH, ADDED PHENOMENON? NO, WE DON'T.
YEAH, I IT'S A, WHAT THIS IS YOUR DATE, UH, IS PREDICATED ON THAT THEY GOING TO APPROVE IT THIS YEAR AND IF THEY DON'T, WHAT IS THAT DATE? MOST RE AS AS THE, AS THE THING REGARDS TO WHEN IS APPROVED.
THE, THE INTENT IS FOR THOSE ILLEGAL UNITS EXISTING TODAY THAT THEY WA THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL THROUGH THE BUILDING SPOT.
THE CURRENT QUESTION IS, IF, IF THE TOWN BOARD DOESN'T APPROVE ON JUNE 26TH, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WILL THAT DATE GO FROM FROM JANUARY TO TO JUNE? I'LL LEAVE IT AT JANUARY 20, 24.
LEAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT WAS LIKE WE WERE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE TREE LAW WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
I, I THINK WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A SIX MONTHS PRIORITY OR SOMETHING.
IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PARTICULAR DO YOU WANNA PEOPLE TALKING AT ONCE? RIGHT.
I THINK, WELL WE HAVE TWO THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON.
ONE IS, UH, CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO AGREE TO ADD THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THEY'LL BE TREATED FOR TAX PURPOSES AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION? SO MOVE.
CAN HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
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I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SHE DID CAN AISHA SECOND AS THE ALTERNATE.
DO WE WE DON'T HAVE, SHE WE HAVE SEVEN.
OKAY, SO I'M SORRY YOU CAN'T, SO WALTER, I NEED A SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? WE SHOULD MAKE ANY OTHER MOTION.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO AGREE THAT UH, THE ALTERNATE PROCEDURE, UH, ONLY APPLIES TO ADUS THAT WERE, UH, BUILT BEFORE ILLEGAL AD THAT WERE BILL BEFORE JANUARY 1ST, 2024.
ALRIGHT, CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION? BRUCE? BILL SLASH OCCUPIED.
YOU OKAY? YEAH, NO, I WAS GONNA IT UP WITH YOU.
ALL IN FAVOR? NO, I'M NOT IN FAVOR.
FIRST OF ALL, ALL IN FAVOR FIRST.
AND THE REASON IS THAT I WANTED TO HAVE IT MORE IF YOU WANTED TO PUT FIVE ABSTAINED.
WHY IS THAT? I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MANY RESTRICTIONS ON THIS LAW AS IF IT'S OKAY.
MORE PEOPLE DOING THAT 6 0 1 LEGALLY AND PROPERLY RATHER THAN HAVING A LOT MORE BELT AND WHISTLES, SUSPENDERS ARE PUTTING IT ONTO IT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE REASON I DON'T LIKE THIS ANY MORE CONDITION ON, SO THEY CAN DO SOMETHING.
SO WE'RE ALL DONE? YEAH, WE'RE DONE.