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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, April 3, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT IN THIS, THIS WEATHER.
IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DO, BUT UH, WE DO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND IT'S GOOD THAT YOU DID.
I HAVE A FEELING I KNOW WHY MOST OF YOU ARE HERE, BUT THAT'S GOOD.
AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU TONIGHT.
UM, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE.
BE, UM, THERE'S, UH, THIS IS APRIL 3RD, OUR APRIL 3RD MEETING.
UM, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WE CALL THE ROLES PLEASE.
OUR ALTERNATE MS. SPARKS HERE ON ZOOM.
THIS EVENING ARE MR. SIMON AND MR. SNAGS.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, MS. SPARKS WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO.
WOULD YOU, UH, PLEASE TELL US WHAT THAT WAS, PLEASE? THAT WAS UNDER CORRESPONDENCE.
IS IT, IS THIS COMING OUT SUPER LOUD? YES.
HE'S DOING THAT FROM PRETTY FAR AWAY TOO.
UNDER CORRESPONDENCE TOO, LOW LETTER A, IT SAID, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ REPORTED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S LETTER TO THE EDGEMONT SCHOOL BOARD, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THE LETTER WAS NOT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED? SO, LESLIE, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? AYE, AYE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ARGUE ABOUT THAT.
ALL OPPOSED, CARRIE? THANK YOU.
UM, WE HAVE THREE EXTENSION REQUESTS.
THE FIRST ONE, LET'S TAKE BRODSKY FIRST IS ELLIOT, UH, SENIOR ON TO, OR STEVE ANDERSON.
COULD HE, AND I SEE WE GOT ANOTHER LETTER TODAY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STEVE AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE A SUGGESTION OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN, IN THIS, UH, EXTENSION.
SO THIS, THIS IS CASE NUMBER PB 1933, BRODSKY SUBDIVISION, 2121 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A FURTHER EXTENSION OF ITS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
WE HAVE STEVE ANDERSON HERE, UH, TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST.
IF I LOSE YOU, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE POWER WENT OUT.
'CAUSE IT'S, I WAS ON BEFORE AND HAD TO REBOOT AND EVERYTHING.
SO INITIALLY WE WERE, UM, HIRED TO DO THE PLAT.
UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY HANDLED BY THE OWNER AS THE APPLICANT.
AND AT THE TIME, A LOT OF THE ITEMS, UH, DIDN'T APPLY JUST FOR THE PLAT OR WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, BUT AS WE WENT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IT BECAME MORE OF AN ISSUE 'CAUSE WE HAD TO INVESTIGATE THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, FOR THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM.
WE, IT WENT UNDER THE PREMISE IN THE BEGINNING THAT WE JUST HAD TO CREATE A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE HOUSE IN THE BACK, WHICH IS, UH, A, A RENOVATED GARAGE WITH THE, WITH A BED, YOU KNOW, IT WAS YEARS AGO, UH, RENOVATED FOR BEDROOM AND, AND THE BATHROOM AND ALL.
SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IN THE INSPECTION, THE COMPANY INSPECTED THE TANK.
IT BASICALLY, AND IT HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW, RENOVATED PER SE, UH, BY A SEPTIC COMPANY, UH, LIKE BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
AND THE TANK ITSELF IS A STEEL TANK, WHICH DOESN'T MEET TODAY'S REGULATIONS AT ALL.
SO IT GOT TO BE THE POINT WHERE DECISIONS, A, WE REALLY HAD TO UPDATE THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO I MET WITH DARREN AT THE SITE BECAUSE I WAS GETTING A LITTLE WORRIED BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, STEEP SLOPE INVOLVED POSSIBLY AND, AND, UH, WETLANDS.
AND WE CAME TO AGREEMENT THAT YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE WORK.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING.
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MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE EXTENSION, SO WE STILL, WE STILL HAVE TO DO ITEMS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW GETTING THE CONTRACT TO DO DEEP TEST BITS AND PERCOLATION TESTS FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
I CAN ASK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
NO, IIII THINK WE PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHAT A PERCOLATION TEST AT THIS POINT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE INITIAL APPLICATION, THERE WAS NO INDICATION THE STEEP SLOPE AND WETLANDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO RESOLVE EVERYTHING.
BIG QUESTION IS HOW MUCH TIME YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
UM, I THINK I COULD GET SOMETHING REALLY GOOD IN, WITHIN, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS AND THEN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE IT JUST, YOU KNOW.
STEVE, THIS IS, WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, WE BEFORE OUR, IN OUR PRE-MEETING AND THE ONE THING AND, UH, TOM KIND OF LEAD LED INTO WHAT WE WANT TO DO, RIGHT? THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE SIXTH EXTENSION FOR THIS, I THINK.
YEAH, I THINK THIS IS THE SEVENTH.
SOMETHING WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING HAPPENING HERE, BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO IS GET A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM YOU, KIND OF A TIMELINE THAT YOU CAN SEND TO AARON AND AMANDA THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW IT.
AND THEN JUST GIVE US A MONTHLY STATUS REPORT SO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE BETWEEN NOW, NOW, AND THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, THE APPROVAL REQUIREMENT.
ASSUMING, ASSUMING IT'S APPROVED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW THE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS ARE GONNA GONNA VOTE, BUT THAT WOULD BE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT EFFECT TO EXTEND IT? BUT, BUT CREATE A TIMETABLE WITH MONTHLY REPORT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS MICHAEL, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, STEVE, BE SAFE TONIGHT, PLEASE.
UM, WE HAVE TWO FROM EMILIO HERE, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON ON EITHER ONE OF THEM.
THERE'S ONE SO THAT, UH, JUST TO CORRECT, UH, THE RECORD.
D NAPOLI, IT'D BE THE NEXT ONE.
I DON'T HAVE THE CASE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME.
WE, SO THAT IS, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 21, 20 3D, NAPOLI SUBDIVISION, UHHUH
THAT'S ALSO ALONG, UH, THAT'S ALONG OMO RIVER ROAD, RIGHT? WHITE HOUSE ROAD.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SECOND EXTENSION REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS ON THIS EXTENSION? WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024.
THAT WAS IN THE PACKAGES, RIGHT? DID YOU SEE THIS ONE? YEAH.
UM, AND I DID FOLLOW UP WITH MR. ESCALADES DIRECTLY.
HE WAS, UM, RAN INTO, UM, HE HAD SUBMITTED HIS PLANS AND DRAWINGS TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, ACTUALLY BEFORE THE END OF LAST YEAR.
AND THEY WERE INUNDATED, TOOK SOME TIME.
UH, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THINGS.
THEY'RE WAITING ON THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, ACTUALLY AN APPROVAL LETTER FROM THE TOWN THAT IT WILL SERVE THE SITE WITH UTILITIES THAT THEY CAN THEN INSURANCE SUBMIT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO GET THE PLATINUM DOORS AND THEN COME BACK.
IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTH PERIOD? WE BELIEVE? YES.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN? BUT THIS IS A WHAT, SECOND EXTENSION? THIS IS SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, SO MOVE? OKAY.
LESLIE, CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
SECOND IS AISHA ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE, AYE.
IS, UH, THE CCO ROAD SUBDIVISION, UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE TIED UP IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WHAT'S THE CASE NUMBER ON THIS ONE? THIS IS CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH ZERO FIVE.
UH, IT IS ALSO THE SECOND EXTENSION REQUEST.
AND THEY JUST SUBMITTED THREE WEEKS AGO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AS I UNDERSTAND, FROM THE WALLET.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS FOLKS? ANYBODY? AGAIN, HOW LONG? IT'S A 180.
AND WHAT IS THIS? THE SECOND ON THIS ONE.
SECOND EXTENSION ON THIS AS WELL.
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AYE.PI THINK ONLY SUGGESTION IS THEY SHOULD PUT THE APPLICATION YEAH, YEAH.
WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THEM ON THE UPPER RIGHT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR TO YEAH.
IN THE FUTURE, IF, IF YOU'RE DOING AN EXTENSION, JUST PUT, PUT THE CASE NUMBER ON THERE SO WE HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE.
IT IS, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT AS MICHAEL'S REQUEST FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
WELL, MIKE, MICHAEL IS A, YOU KNOW, FU IS A FORWARD THINK NOT LIKE THE REST OF, WE TRY AND MANY DO.
ONE, ONE THING I MIS THING I WANNA BRING UP TONIGHT, UH, IS, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE FAIRLY QUICK AND FAIRLY NON CONTROVERSIAL.
WE HAVE DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD WHO TRAVEL A LOT.
UM, WE HAVE, THEY DO TRY AS MUCH AS THEY CAN TO MAKE IT PHYSICALLY WHEN THEY'RE HERE AND ON ZOOM WHEN THEY'RE NOT OKAY.
CAN'T ALWAYS DO IT, BUT THEY TRY MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR US SOMETIMES.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE FOUR PEOPLE PHYSICALLY HERE UNDER THE LAW.
UM, AND NIGHT TO NIGHT, WE'RE LUCKY THAT YOU GUYS REALLY WERE DEDICATED ENOUGH TO COME OUT IN THIS WEATHER.
IT COULD BE EASILY BEEN THREE PEOPLE.
WE WOULD'VE HAD A CROWD OF PEOPLE SITTING HERE TO BE SORELY DISAPPOINTED AND WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
GIVEN THAT, UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE ADD AN ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE TO OUR BOARD.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT, WE COULD DO THAT AND HAVE AARON DRAFT THAT, THAT UP FOR US.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO SO MOVED.
AISHA? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, TOM.
SO JUST WRITE THAT UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LETTER FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL A LOT? UH, TOM AND JOHANN.
JOHANN'S JOB IS OUTTA TOWN A LOT.
HE WORKS WITH FEDEX AND HE, HE TRAVELS A LOT IN HIS JOB.
I MEAN, HE'S AWAY TODAY AND HE'S BEEN, UH, BEEN AWAY AND HE'S STILL A VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE BOARD BEING ON ZOOM.
I PREFER PEOPLE TO BE HERE, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, UH, IN PERSON.
I I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR LAST YEAR.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
IT'S ONLY PLANNING BOARD RULES ANYWAY.
WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT STATE RULES REGARDING PLANNING RULES.
NO, THERE WERE NO STATE, STATE RULES IN TERMS OF WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU HAVE TO ATTEND.
SO IN THAT CASE, YEAH, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
YEAH, WE, WE PROBABLY DO, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION IS ORIGINALLY MICHAEL, WE SAID THAT YOU COULD ONLY 25% OF THE TOTAL MEETINGS, IT COULD BE AWAY.
UM, THE REASON FOR IT IS I DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE JUST THE SAME FOR PEOPLE HERE EVERY TIME.
THAT WAS WHY WE PUT THAT RULE IN.
IF EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR HONOR TRIES TO GET HERE WHEN THEY'RE IN TOWN, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, GEE, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S NO RULE ABOUT THIS ANYMORE.
AND IT'S ALL STAY HOME AND DO IT ON ZOOM.
I'D APPRECIATE THERE ARE TIMES YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE SICK, YOU HAVE, HAVE A KID SICK, YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER, SICK, WHATEVER, OR YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PERSONAL THING TO DO.
EVEN WHEN YOU'RE HOME, YOU CAN'T BE HERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS THE SAME FOUR PEOPLE HAVING A JOB EVERY TIME.
TO ME, FRANKLY, I THINK THE HYBRID THING IS A LITTLE ODD.
UM, I WOULD'VE LEFT IT IF IT WERE ME, AND NOW THE GOVERNOR WOULD'VE LEFT THE WHOLE THING ON ZOOM, FRANKLY, BECAUSE HYBRID'S A HARDER, I MEAN, CAN ASK TOM SITTING THERE ON, ON ZOOM, IT'S HARDER TO PARTICIPATE WHEN AND ANYBODY'S DONE IT.
BUT THEN ZOOM WHEN IT'S A HYBRID IS VERY DIFFICULT.
WHEN WE'RE ALL ON ZOOM, WE'RE ALL ON EQUAL FOOTING.
NOW WITH THE HYBRID, IT'S MUCH HARDER.
AND I SURE AS NOBODY COULD SHARE THE MEETING FROM ZOOM, THAT'S FOR DARN SURE.
IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY HERE TO SHARE IT.
SO LET ME THINK ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
I GOTTA LOOK AT WHERE THE NUMBERS CAME OUT LAST YEAR TOO.
UM, SO IF WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATES, AND THERE ARE EIGHT PEOPLE HERE, WHO VOTES THE, THE, THE REGULAR, THE REGULAR PEOPLE AND THE SENIOR? THE MOST SENIOR ALTERNATE, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S THE TWO ALTERNATES.
THE MOST SENIOR ALTERNATE WOULD BE THE ONE.
LET'S SAY WE HAVE SIX PEOPLE HERE.
THE ALTERNATE WOULD BE THE NEXT, THE, THE SENIOR, MORE SENIOR ALTERNATE WOULD BE THE, THE, THE FIRST PERSON TO VOTE.
SENIOR AS AN APPOINTED, AS AN ALTERNATE FIRST, NOT SENIOR AS AN AGE.
IN TERMS OF, OF, UH, TIME OF THE BOARD.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR CHOOSING THE ALTERNATE AND HOW IS IT CHOSEN?
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BE CHOSEN, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER IS, WE'LL, WE'LL SEARCH FOR CANDIDATES.I THINK, UH, BY LAW ANYWAY, FIRST OF ALL, WE GOTTA GET IT APPROVED, APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO TO GET THAT THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD, IF WE CAN DO THAT
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUSY AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO GET ON THE TOWN BOARD'S AGENDA AS WE KNOW.
TOM, IS THERE A SITUATION, UH, IF IT WERE TOO REGULAR, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD, PEOPLE AND TWO ALTERNATES, IS THAT A VIABLE YES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICALLY? YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON TO DO IT.
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE JUST FOR EVERY SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL OUTTA TOWN OR WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE MAY HAVE, SOME OF US MAY HAVE TO RECUSE OURSELVES, WHICH COULD ALSO HAPPEN BECAUSE LET LESLIE'S CHAIRING ONE BOARD.
I'M, I'M CO-CHAIRING ANOTHER THAT AISHA AND WALTER ALSO.
AND JOHAN IS THE OTHER CO-CHAIR.
AND, AND WALTER AND, AND AISHA SIT ON THE SAME, SAME COMMITTEE.
SO THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TO, THAT GETS WEIRD.
LET'S SAY THERE'S TWO REGULAR BOARD MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES.
AND THEN THE REST OF THEM ARE ON ZOOM.
I'M HOPING, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE TWO ALTERNATES NO, CAN'T VOTE.
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO VOTE AND TWO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO TELL TWO PEOPLE THAT COULD UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE HERE.
ANYWAY, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT DOES GET A LITTLE STRANGE.
BUT IT'S TRUE WITH ONE ALTERNATE TOO.
BUT I THINK THE ALSO IT, MY EXPERIENCE FOR OVER 10 YEARS ON THE BOARD, WE HAVE SOMETIMES DIFFICULTY GETTING THE, GETTING THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
TOOK US TWO YEARS AND A LOT OF DIFFICULTY.
SO THIS WAY WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, AND HAVE A SUCCESSION COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATE.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE REALLY A CRUNCH TIME.
WE HAD TO CALL ONE TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS NOBODY HERE.
AND I THINK IT WAS A, WE SAY, UH, JUST WE HAD TO CALL SOMEBODY.
AND HAD A BIG MEETING THAT NIGHT.
WE HAD TO KIND OF WAIT FOR HIM TO COME.
AND WE DELAYED THE MEETING FOR MORE THAN HALF AN HOUR.
JUST TWO THINGS, UM, REGARDING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE LOOKING AT WHY THERE'S A DIFFICULTY, RIGHT? AND, AND MAYBE HASHING THAT OUT.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST TIME TO REFRESH AND THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE SECOND PART IS REGARDING YOU ALREADY PASSED THE MOTION, BUT I WAS SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT MIKE JUST BROUGHT UP, MAYBE WE NEED TO SORT OF, UM, FORMALIZE IT CORRECTLY.
NO, WE'LL, WE'LL VOTE ON IT NEXT TIME.
AND AMANDA, IF YOU CAN GET US THE ANSWER ON THE PHYSICAL THING, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, THERE IS ONE OTHER REASON TO HAVE THE SECOND ALTERNATE.
IT TAKES AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE SOMEONE'S COMFORTABLE WORKING ON THIS BOARD.
I THINK I CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER IT NOW, THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE PLAYING IT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU HAVE ALL THE MEMBERS PRESENT BY ZOOM OR IN PERSON, THE ALTERNATES WOULD BE PRESENT, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD NECESSARILY VOTE.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO DO THE STATE LAW.
I MEAN, THEY COULD FORM A QUORUM, BUT THEY CAN'T VOTE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GOTTA LOOK AT.
YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE STATE LAW.
BECAUSE NO, I'LL IT IS KIND OF, IT MAY BE AN ABYSS
WELL, THE, I MEAN, THE LAW HAD QUITE A FEW GAPS.
SO I KNOW WE TRY TO FIX SOME OF THEM WHEN, WHEN WE PASS THE LOCAL LAW.
UM, BUT THE OTHER REASON, AS I SAID, IS, IS FOR TRAINING PURPOSES, IT'S, IT TAKES A WHILE TO, TO GET UP TO SPEED AS A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER.
AND, UH, YOU HAVE TO LEARN A LOT OF THINGS YOU MAY NOT, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS.
SO IT, IT'S, IT HELPS FROM A TRAINING POINT OF VIEW.
WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING NEXT.
I GOT A QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT.
UM, WHY, WHY IS, UH, 24 TERRYTOWN ROAD PB 2320 OFF OF THE AGENDA? AARON? AARON, YOU WANNA TELL REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO ME VIA EMAIL AND REQUEST TO BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.
SAID HE HAD PERSONAL THINGS TO DO, SAID I HAD ANOTHER MATTER TO ATTEND TO.
ARE WE NOT DONE DEALING WITH THE OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD ISSUE TONIGHT? NO, WE ARE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE NEXT CA THE NEXT CASE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK.
GO STRAIGHT UP TO THE, THE DAIS AND
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YOU, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU.[00:25:35]
UH, GOOD EVENING.WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, APRIL 3RD.
MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
OUR ALTERNATE MS. SPARKS HERE ON ZOOM.
UH, MR. SIMON AND MR. SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST CASE IS PB 23, UH, 14, WHICH IS PATINO OLD TAR TOWN ROAD FOR A PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WHITE LAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HOME.
UH, COULD YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE PUBLIC, THROUGH THE PROJECT BRIEF? GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
EMILIO ESCALADAS, ESCALADAS ASSOCIATES, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS.
THE, UH, THE HOUSE IS BEING PROPOSED ON A LOT THAT'S OVERSIZED.
IT'S WHAT, 20,000 PLUS SQUARE FEET? IT'S IN AN R 7.5 ZONE.
UH, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT ALLOWS US TO VISUALIZE THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S ONE HOUSE IN A TECHNICALLY TWO LOT AREA.
UM, THE HOUSE IS SET IN THE PLATEAU OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PLA THE PROPERTY RISES, UH, A GOOD EIGHT FEET FROM THE ROAD.
ERGO, THE REASON FOR THE STEEP SLOPE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CUT THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH THAT, UH, PORTION OF STEEP AREA.
UM, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS, HOWEVER, WE COULD FIND THAT THE, THE HOUSES AND THE DRIVEWAY ARE BEING PLACED IN A RELATIVELY FLAT AREA FROM ZERO TO 15, UH, AT LEAST 70% OF THE AREA THAT IS DEDICATED FOR THE HOUSE AND FOR THE ROAD WILL BE IN THE FLATTER AREA.
THERE ARE 16 TREES THAT ARE, UH, OFFICIALLY BEING, UH, SCHEDULED TO BE CUT, UM, FOR REASONS OF DRIVEWAY ACCESS, FOOTPRINT OF HOUSE, UM, UM, AND SO ON.
AND WE, OF COURSE, THE, UH, WE'LL, WE WILL REPLACE THEM WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, FOLLOWING THE CODE OF, OF THE TOWN.
UM, THE HOUSE IS PROBABLY 4,200 SQUARE FEET, COUNTING BOTH FLOORS.
IT'S GOING TO HOUSE, UH, A LARGE FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN WAITING TO BUILD THIS HOUSE FOR THE THREE YEARS THAT THEY, AFTER THEY PUR PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, A SMALL DECK IN THE BACK AND SOME EXCAVATION IN THE BACK TO, TO CREATE A, A FLATTISH, A FLATTISH AREA.
TERRANCE TO TERRANCE, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN DOWN THE, THE, UH, VOLUME OF SPEAKERS IN THE, IN THE AUDITORIUM, PLEASE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE, THAT'S BETTER.
WE'RE HAVING A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
MY ELECTRICAL PERSONALITY,
UH, THE, THE DRAINAGE IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THERE ARE POCKETS OF GOOD, UH, PER, UH, AREAS, ALTHOUGH IT'S, IT'S POCKETED WITH ROCK EVERYWHERE, BUT YOU WILL FIND GOOD SOIL IN THAT TYPE OF GEOLOGY.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DRAINING IT.
UH, WE'RE DRAINING TOWARDS THE FRONT, NOTHING IN THE BACK.
AND AS I SAID, THE, THE AREA OF HIGHEST AND MOST DIFFICULT STEEPNESS IS AT THE ENTRANCE ITSELF.
I SHOULD BRING, UH, UH, I SHOULD INFORM THE BOARD THAT RECENTLY YOU HAD A, A SIMILAR, UH, PROCESS WITH THE LOT NEXT DOOR.
SO THE ISSUES THAT YOU PROBABLY WILL RAISE OR HAVE THOUGHT OF WERE ANSWERED BY A SIMILAR, UH, UH, DESIGN AND ACCESS ROAD, UH, TO THE, TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S A SIMILAR, SIMILAR TYPE OF TERRAIN, TYPE OF TERRAIN.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOTHING HERE OUTSTANDING IN ANY WAY IN TERMS OF ENGINEERING.
JUST THE ACCESS IS DIFFICULT AND ALL THE UTILITIES WILL BE, UH, ALSO DONE.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SAY BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU DO THE HOUSE AND THEN YOU CONNECT THE UTILITIES WITH DIFFERENT TRENCHES.
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THAT, UH, WHILE WE BUILD THE ROAD AND WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THE EXCAVATION, THE UTILITIES WILL FOLLOW THE, THE PERIMETER AND THE CURVATURE OF THE ROAD DOWN TO THE, TO THE MAIN, UH, TO THE MAIN DRAG.SO WE WILL ONLY DISTURB THE AREA ONCE, MAKE THE CONNECTIONS AND THEN PROCEED TO BUILD A HOUSE.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE, I KNOW FROM THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY A LOT, 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF CURVY.
I KNOW IT'S CURVY BECAUSE OF THE STEEP SLOPE.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THE RIGHT GRADE.
BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE STOOD FOR THE POLICE AND THE FIRE DISTRICT WITH THAT.
WELL, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE FIRE CHIEF WILL NEVER PUT A VEHICLE INSIDE THIS DRIVEWAY.
UH, IT'S ONLY 38 FEET FROM THE CURB, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND ANOTHER 10 FEET TO THE CURB.
SO THE MOST YOU WILL HAVE IS A 50 FOOT HORIZONTAL DISTANCE TO, TO CARRY THE HOSES TO THE AREA OF, OF ANY FU FUTURE FIRE.
SO THEY WOULD NOT, THEY WOULD NOT ENTER THAT DRIVEWAY.
AND IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY COULD OF COURSE WALK THROUGH THE, FROM THE ACCESS ROAD THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY TO THE HOUSE.
SO THE DISTANCE IS, IT'S NOT WAY BACK ON THE WOODS.
THIS IS ONLY 50 FEET FROM THE CURB.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NO, NO CHOICE.
AARON, YOU HAD SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
SO AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, OUR OFFICE DID REACH OUT TO OUR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY OFFICER, UH, SERGEANT FONTELLA AT THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS CHIEF REESE FROM THE FAIRVIEW FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND BOTH INDICATED THEY HAD NO ISSUE WITH THE DRIVEWAY ORIENTATION AS PROPOSED ADDITIONALLY.
AND I THINK, UH, MR. ESCALADE WAS GONNA GET TO IT.
BUT AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST, SOME ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN PLANTINGS YES.
WERE, UM, SHOWN ARE NOW SHOWN YES.
ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SOMEWHAT SCREEN THE PROPOSED HOME FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE TO THE WEST.
THEY SHOWN, THEY'RE SHOWN ON SHEET.
NOW I HAVE IT UP, UP ON THE, UH, DRAWING.
IT SAYS TREE PERMIT APPLICATION TREE REPLACEMENT PLAN.
THERE ARE SOME GREEN GIANT ARVID.
SO IF THE HOUSE IS HERE, I'M TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK.
WEST IS TO THE LEFT, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, THE PLAN, UH, CHEAPER WITH APPLICATION.
I DON'T SEE ANY, CAN YOU LOOK UP ON THE SCREEN? I CAN POINT TO THEM ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE LEFT SIDE.
SO THIS IS THE HOUSE HERE? YEAH, MR. DESAI.
THAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SECTION TO THE LEFT HERE, THESE THREE GREEN GIANT AE OKAY.
UH, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ONE UP HERE.
THERE'S SOME ROCKS THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK AROUND.
SO HE DIDN'T WANT TO PLANT INTO THE ROCK OUT FRONT.
WE'LL, WE'LL BE PLANTING A LOT MORE.
THE FAMILY IS, IS THAT TYPE OF FAMILY AND THEY, THEY'RE GONNA SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH, WITH EVERGREENS AND TREES AND, BUT THEY HAVE HAVE OTHER LARGE CANOPY SHADE TREES THAT THEY'RE PLANTING IN ADDITION TO MEET THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER TWO 60.
BUT I, I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PLAN.
UH, TREE PERMIT, APPLICATION PLAN, TREES TO BE REMOVED.
AND THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE IS THE ONE THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO COOK.
SO, UH, IT LOOKS TO ME THAT, UH, ONE OF THE TREES WITH THE DIAMETER OF 13 INCH IS BEEN REPLACED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PLACE.
SO WHY YOU WANT TO CUT IT AND REMOVE IT? WELL, A A A LOT OF, UH, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ABOVE THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
WELL THAT, SO MR. ESCA, IT'S THIS TREE.
DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, EXCAVATION
WHICH ONE? CAN YOU PLEASE POINT TO IT IF YOU CAN? I, UH, IS IT, IS IT TREE NUMBER 13? THAT ONE? NO, IT'S A, THAT ONE.
WHICH TREE IS IT? TREE NUMBER 13.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THIS ONE UP HERE.
YEAH, THAT ONE IS EITHER DAMAGED AND WE DECIDED IT'S GOING.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA GO.
UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER BUT A, A LOT OF THEM, UH, ONE OF THEM GOT DAMAGED WHEN WE PUT THE MACHINE THERE TO DO THE EXCAVATION FOR THE DRAINAGE.
AND THAT MAY MAY VERY WELL BE ONE BECAUSE I THINK THE MACHINE GRABBED IT TO COME UP AND IT, IT SNAPPED.
IT MAY BE 'CAUSE ACCORDING TO YOUR, TO YOUR TREE PLAN, IT WAS A GOOD, IT WAS STILL A GOOD CONDITION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, YEAH, IT, SOME OF THEM, IT WAS DONE BY THE ARMOR.
YOU KNOW, I'M LEARNING A LOT WITH THE, WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE.
THERE'S TREES THAT APPEAR TO BE HEALTHY.
UH, SOME OF THESE TREE GUYS TELL ME, NO, THIS IS THIS, THIS, THIS TREE ARE DYING.
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SO THEY'VE EVALUATED IT TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION.WE, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THE ARBORIST THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER.
MY SUSPICION IS THAT, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE OAKS, UM, WHICH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR ROOT SYSTEMS ARE GONNA SPREAD QUITE A BIT AND HE HAS SOME WORK THAT HE HAS TO DO IN THE VICINITY OF THE TREE.
ONCE YOU START IMPACTING THAT ROOT SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT TREE CONTINUES TO GROW OVER TIME, IT COULD BECOME A HAZARD LEANING OVER THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU SOMETIMES AN ARBORIST WILL ASSESS IT THAT IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE REMOVED FOR SAFETY IN THE FUTURE AND REPLANT WHERE THAT NEW TREE WILL NOT BE IMPACTED.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, LET ME, UH, LET ME KIND OF CONTINUE THE QUESTION IS THAT WHEN YOU PLANTED A NEW TREE, YEAH, IT TAKES A FEW YEARS BEFORE IT WILL BE SAME SIZE AND SAME KIND OF, UH, FUNCTION THAT THE TREE'S SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE.
SO THAT'S WHY BOARD IN GENERAL DOESN'T LIKE TO CUT TREES WHEN IT'S NOT NEEDED.
OR, OR THE TREES THAT YOU CAN SAVE, EVEN IF YOU REPLACE IT, IT TAKES MANY, MANY YEARS TO GET TO THE SAME SIZE.
LIKE THIS ONE IS EIGHT INCHES AND THEN, UH, OTHER ONES ARE EVEN, UH, EVEN BIGGER ONES THAT YOU ARE CUTTING DOWN.
CHRIS, WHAT WE'LL DO, WHERE I THINK, SO I THINK I WOULD REQUEST AARON TO REALLY WORK AND TRY TO SAVE WE WILL AS MANY AS TREES THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO CUT IT DOWN.
AND CUT IT DOWN IF IT'S A NEEDED LATER ONE.
AND YEAH, YOU, YOU AS UNDERSTAND.
AND SO DO THE, DOES THE FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS ONE WAS LABELED TO BE CUT, BUT BY ALL MEANS, IF WE CAN SAVE IT, WE WILL.
UM, AND THAT GOES FOR ALL THE OTHER TREES TOO BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE, THE SIX TREES BEHIND IS IT'S OUTSIDE.
SOME OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE OF THE, WELL, THAT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH THE REGRADING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO BUILD THE WALL.
SO THAT, AGAIN, ONCE, IF, IF THAT WALL THAT WE'RE CUTTING IS ALL ROCK, IT MAY, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE REAR, JUST CREATE A FACE IN THE ROCK AND THEN HAVE NO NEED TO RE TAPER THE BACK.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT EMILIO.
I THINK WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE GRIT.
UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS THIS, OKAY, WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT TONIGHT ANYWAY, SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
WHAT I WOULD DO IS SIT DOWN WITH AARON, OUR ARBORIST AND GO THROUGH THE LIST ONE MORE TIME.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT CRAIG'S CONCERN IS AND JUST GO THROUGH THAT.
SO BY THE TIME WE HAVE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS, UH, WE VOTE ON THIS, I SHOULD SAY, NOT NECESSARILY APPROVE IT, BUT VOTE ON IT.
UH, WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE? JUST PLEASE COME UP TO THE, IF YOU GO, GONNA ASK A QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC PLEASE.
AND, AND PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
CAROLYN INE 66 OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD ON THE THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THIS PROPERTY.
UM, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO BUILD THIS? I WOULD, I WOULD ESTIMATE EIGHT MONTHS.
AND WHEN WILL YOU START? AS SOON AS THEY LET US
SO WITH THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, THE PLANNING BOARD, IF IT WERE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, IT WOULD LIKELY LEAVE THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR ONE WEEK AND TAKE THIS UP FOR A VOTE ON A DECISION AT ITS NEXT MEETING ON APRIL 17TH.
IF IT WERE APRIL 17TH, APPROVED ON APRIL 17TH, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN TRANSITION INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, REQUIRED PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
SO THAT INVOLVES A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT, A TREE PERMIT, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
SO I WOULD SUSPECT IF THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN EARLY SUMMER, LATE SPRING.
YEAH, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED TOO.
UM, WE LIVE ON A WOODED AREA ABOUT THE TREES AND CUTTING DOWN A LOT OF THE TREES.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO, IT'S REALLY NICE IN THE, WE TRIED SPARES MANY FALL BACK THERE.
THEY, THEY, THEY WANT THE SAME THAT THE BOARD WANTS THAT YOU WANT.
IT'S JUST THAT TO, TO BUILD A HOUSE.
WHATEVER TREE IS WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
MAY THEY'RE SPEAKING THE MICROPHONE.
SEE YOU ON TELEVISION BECAUSE AS, AS THE BOARD CHAIRPERSON SAID, UM, SOMETIMES EVEN IF IT'S 10 FEET BUT IT'S LEANING IN, YOU HAVE TO CUT IT BECAUSE THE FEAR OF LIVING WITHIN 10 FOOT OR 15 FOOT OF A VERY LARGE TREE AND THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
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HEALTHY AND STABLE IS ONE THING, BUT ONE THAT HAS BEEN COMPROMISED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMETIMES IS A CONCERN.
SO WE'RE GONNA REVIEW IT WITH THE TEAMS, THE PROJECT TEAM.
THEY HAVE A GOOD ARBORIST GROUP THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THEM BEFORE WE APPROVE, BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
SO YOUR PLAN IS TO START JUNE, JULY WHENEVER.
WE'RE HOPING EIGHT MONTHS CONSECUTIVE PLUS EIGHT, YES.
THE, THE FAM THE FAMILY IS IN CONSTRUCTION DISRUPTION ON THE STREET OR, WELL, BUT THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT ONCE WE HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY CUT, THE INTERRUPTION IS MINIMUM BECAUSE ALL THE DELIVERIES WILL BE THROUGH THAT DRIVEWAY UP TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE.
SO THE, THERE WON'T BE ANY, WE CANNOT PARK ALONG THAT STREET.
SO ALL THERE'S PARKING ON THAT RIGHT.
RIGHT ON OLD CHERRY ROAD HERE.
SO ALL THE WORKERS WOULD HAVE TO COME UP AND, AND PARK, UH, UH, UP, UP ON THE PLATEAU AND THEN EXECUTE THE HOUSE.
BUT NOTHING CAN BE DONE ON THE DRIVEWAY.
SO YOU ARE PROTECTED BY DEFINITION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS LOT SITS THAT FURTHERMORE WE WOULD GET KILLED IF WE PARKED DOWN THERE ANY BY THE ROAD, ANY INTERRUPTION OF OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, THE PLANNING BOARD CONSISTENTLY CONDITIONS THAT IF THEY WERE TO BLOCK THAT ROAD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND USUALLY IN EXCESS OF ONE MINUTE, THEY NEED TO HAVE FLAG AND TRAFFIC CONTROL PERSONS OUT THERE TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AND MAKE SURE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET BY DANGEROUS.
CURVE AT THE CURVE AND THE SLOPE DOWN.
THEN THERE'S GOING BE MORE ANIMAL ACTIVITY PROBABLY RIGHT.
ANIMAL LIKE THE MICE COME OUT AND THE ALL THE ANIMALS COME OUT, BUT THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY THAT'S TRUE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTION? NO, I'M FINE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE OR ON ZOOM ON THIS? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY, GIVEN THAT, UH, I'D LIKE MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE 10TH OF APRIL.
CAN WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM SOMEONE? HELLO? SO MOVED.
TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND BE SAFE DRIVING HOME.
UM, CASE, UH, PB 23 DASH 22, WHICH IS CASTRO HYUNDAI, FOUR 50 CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
EMILIO, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, SPEAK OUTSIDE THE HALL PLEASE.
UM, 4 4 50 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH SCARSDALE SITE PLAN, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR THE REPURPOSING OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY A SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE ADDITION OF A ONE ONE NEW BUILDING AS PART OF IT OR ADDITION TO THE BUILD BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE NOT YET, BUT, BUT LET'S DO THE PRESENTATION FIRST.
COULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT THE PLAN TO FOR THE PUBLIC? CERTAINLY.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS HELEN MARCH WITH THE LAW FIRM OF MINUR MARCH.
WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT TAG HOLDINGS, LLC.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS ZACH PEARSON FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING, THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, AS YOU SAID, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE FOR A CAR DEALERSHIP.
AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE TOCAS HAVE BEEN IN THE, UH, CAR BUSINESS FOR DECADES AND, UH, THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND REPAIR USE IS A SPECIAL PERMITTED USE IN THE ZONE.
THE CA ZONING DISTRICT, THE PROJECT, UH, ZACH WILL WALK YOU THROUGH, BUT IT WILL IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE SITE.
IT WILL BE A MORE ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.
THERE IS A ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UH, WORKED ON.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UM, ALL TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE BRINGING CARS INTO THE SITE VIA LARGE TRUCKS.
UH, WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE TO THE BOARD AND I JUST WANNA REPEAT IT TONIGHT.
UH, VEHICLES WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE SITE INDIVIDUALLY FROM OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THE TOCA, UH, OWN OR HAVE ACCESS TO.
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I WILL LET ZACH PRESENT THE PLAN TO THE PUBLIC.Z ZACH PEARSON WITH INSIDE ENGINEERING, AS HELEN MENTIONED.
AS MS MENTIONED, THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE, UH, FOUR 50, UH, CENTRAL PARK AVE.
EXISTING COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, ROUGHLY 40,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, BUILDING.
THIS IS EXISTING CONDITIONS AND REMOVALS PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE'RE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE TO REMOVE SEVEN TREES.
UH, WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER AS FAR AS THE TREE PERMIT GOES.
UM, WITH A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION OFF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING ACCESS OFF OF CENTRAL PARK.
HAVE, UM, SOME INTERNAL CURBING AND CURBED ISLANDS TO BE REWORKED.
UM, AS I COME DOWN HERE, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
UM, BUILDING ADDITIONAL OFF THE NORTH SIDE AND SERVICE ENTRY HERE OFF OF THE FRONT.
UM, AGAIN, ACCESS OFF OF CENTRAL PARK AVE REMAINS THE SAME.
UM, JUST GOING BACK TO THE EXISTING PLAN, THIS IS A EXISTING COMMERCIAL FACILITY WITH OVER 200 PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, THE PROPOSED PARKING, UM, ON THE LOT IN THE FUTURE CONDITION OR THE PROPOSED CONDITION IS 8 89 FOR SALES EMPLOYEES, UM, AND SERVICE.
AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THE, THE PARKING ON SITE 117 SPACES WILL BE FOR CAR STORAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, THE, WHAT THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY USED FOR AT ITS MAXIMUM CAPACITY IS DECREASED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE USE HERE.
UM, JUST USING 89 SPACES FOR SALES SERVICE AND EMPLOYEES.
UM, LANDSCAPING AND HELEN HAD MENTIONED, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP ALL THE EXISTING TREES ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVE.
I KNOW THAT THE, WE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOARD THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE LARGE MATURED TREES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR REMAIN.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME TREES TO, OR TREES AND SHRUBS ALONG THAT ENTRANCE TO SUPPLEMENT.
UM, AGAIN, REPLANTING OF SOME OF THE INTERNAL ISLANDS, REWORKING SOME OF THE INTERNAL ISLANDS, UH, FOR ACCESS.
UM, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGARDING ACCESS TO THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S AN ACCESS PLAN, WHICH I'LL GET TO LATER IN THE PLAN SET, WHICH, WHICH SHOWS THAT WE CAN GET TO OR OFFICE OF CENTRAL PARK AVE ALL THE WAY UP AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID REQUEST A, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS OFF OF, UH, OR OFF TO DRILL MART ROAD IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE DID SHOW THAT IN THIS LOCATION HERE, UM, THAT WILL BE GATED AND LOCKED WITH A LOCKBOX.
THAT'S NOT AN ACCESS POINT FOR THIS DEALERSHIP AT ALL.
UM, WE DID ALSO THE REAR OF THE, THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT AND THE REAR OF THE LOT IN THE UPPER PORTION DOES BUTT UP AGAINST THE NATURE CENTER.
UH, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TAKE DOWN ANY TREES IN THAT LOCATION.
WE ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL SOME LOW LANDSCAPING THERE TO KIND OF SUPPLEMENT THE LARGER TREES, UM, THAT ARE IN THAT LOCATION.
I CAN, I'VE GOT SOME PICTURES LATER I CAN SHOW YOU IF, IF NEED BE.
UM, AGAIN, MINOR, NOT A, NOT A LOT OF SITE WORK.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS HERE.
THERE'S JUST SOME SITE WORK HERE ALONG THE, AT THE BUILDING ADDITION, AND AGAIN, SOME CURBING REWORK INTERNALLY, UM, FOR THE LOOK FOR, FOR INTERNAL CIRCULATION FOR BOTH EMERGENCY ACCESS VEHICLES.
UM, AND JUST TO KIND OF CLEAN UP SOME OF THE ACCESS IN THE SITE, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, THERE IS A DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS ON THE SITE, UM, OF ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO THE DOWNSTREAM STORMWATER.
UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING STORMWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE COMMERCIAL CENTER.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DURING INVESTIGATIONS WE FOUND THAT TO BE IN A LITTLE BIT STATE OF, UM, NOT DISREPAIR, BUT NEED OF MAINTENANCE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED TO RESTORING THAT TO ITS ORIGINAL INTENT.
AND WITH THAT, WE SEE A BENEFIT TO THE STORMWATER IN THE AREA BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DECREASE IN ON ON-SITE.
IMPERVIOUS, UH, HELEN HAD MENTIONED, WE DID, WE DID, UH, RESPOND TO THE BOARD'S COMMENTS REGARDING LIGHTING.
WE DID PROVIDE A LIGHTING PLAN SHOWING BOTH SITE LIGHTING AND BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN CODE.
I CAN ZOOM IN IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT.
UM, HERE WE'VE GOT SOME WALL, WALL PACK AROUND AROUND THE, UH, BUILDING AND WE'VE GOT SOME SITE LIGHTING IN SOME OF THE ISLANDS JUST TO LIGHT UP THE INTERNALS.
UM, THIS WAS THE, THE ACCESS PLAN THAT WE DID TO SHOWING EMERGENCY ACCESS FIELDS, VEHICLES TO AND THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA STOP ON THE PLANS, UM, AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
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DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK, UH, REGARDING THE LIGHTING PLAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY FIXTURES MOUNTED ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS? YES.WHERE AND, AND HOW THEY ARE SHIELDED.
THEY'RE DOWNWARD SHIELDED INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS TOWN CODE, LIKE DARK SKY COMPLIANT DOWNWARD SHIELDED LIGHTING.
I KNOW YOU SEE THESE BLACK DOTS AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S THE ONE THAT OUT OVER THE OVERHEAD DOOR.
THIS LOCATION ON THE FRONT, I CAN, I'LL ALSO SHARE A RENDERING OF, OF THE, THE SITE AS WELL HERE.
THOSE LITTLE BLACK DOTS AS THEY GO AROUND THE BUILDING.
WHERE THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PHOTOMETRIC LIGHTS BUMP OUT AND THE CONTOURS BUMP OUT OVER THE OVERHEAD DOORS IN THIS LOCATION OVER THE MAIN ENTRY DOORS.
AND WHAT KIND OF PICTURES DO YOU HAVE THE FIXTURES FOR THAT? YES, THEY'RE RIGHT HERE.
WHICH ONE? THOSE ARE THE WALL SCONCES.
AND THEY'RE ON TIMINGS OR THEY'RE THEY'RE NEEDED WHOLE NIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD SHUT EM OFF.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD TURN OFF MOST LIKE COMMERCIAL FACILITIES DON'T, WOULDN'T TURN THOSE OFF ANYMORE.
THEY, FOR SECURITY GENERALLY YOU DON'T WANT THE CARS MESSED WITH IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT, BUT YOU, YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE LIGHTING ENVELOPE WILL STAY ON PROPERTY? YES.
AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE, YOU ARE DOWN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, MR. PEARSON, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHOW THE YEP.
TOM, TOM, YOU'RE A LITTLE, UH, LOW ON THE VOLUME AND YOUR STENOGRAPHER'S HAVING TROUBLE PICKING YOU UP.
CAN YOU TURN UP YOUR VOLUME AND RESTATE THAT? YEAH, RESTATE THE QUESTION PLEASE.
MY QUESTION TO MR. PEARSON WAS IF HE COULD SHOW THE 3D COLOR ILLUSTRATIONS THAT YOU WERE SHOWN, SPOKE TO PUBLIC, AND GET A SENSE OF WHAT IT LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS, THIS IS FROM, UH, CENTRAL AVE.
THIS IS THE, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
THIS LOCATION, BUT EXCUSE ME, THE ONE THAT WE SAW MOST RECENTLY DID NOT HAVE MR. GARAGE THERE.
THO THOSE DOORS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, CORRECT? YES.
THE NORTH FACING SIDE, WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR THE BIG WEIGHT RENDERING SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.
HERE'S THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE, THE ELEVATION ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVE.
THIS WOULD BE THE ELEVATION ALONG DR. MOORE.
THIS WOULD BE THE ELEVATION ALONG THE BACK.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE ELEVATION FROM THE NORTH LOOKING TO THE SOUTH.
SO WE GOT RID RID OF THOSE, THOSE GARAGE DOORS FACING, FACING THE STREET.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A MAIN ENTRY DOOR HERE WITH, WITH, OKAY.
SO WE, THIS VERSION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE
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LANDSCAPING OR IN THE CARS, WHICH THE OTHER ONE DID.SO YOU FOLKS ARE GONNA HAVE TO USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
NOW WE'RE GOING GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT IS THE LANDSCAPING IN THE, IN THE OTHER, SOME OF THE LITTLE, IS THERE SOME LANDSCAPING IN THE OTHER, IN THE OTHER, IN THE OTHER RUNWAY RENDERING? YEAH.
LET ME JUST, JUST IMAGINE IT WITHOUT THOSE GARAGE DOORS, WHICH ARE GONE.
AFTER, AFTER WE BRING IT UP, IF YOU COULD, UH, MR. PEARSON JUST, UM, DISCUSS WHAT YOU'RE DOING FROM A PLANTING POINT OF VIEW AND, AND, UM, ON THE PROPERTY, THE FRONT AND IN THE PARKING LOT.
I CAN GO, I'LL GO BACK TO THE PLANTING PLAN REAL QUICK.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH THE, UH, THE ACTUAL PROPOSED SPECIES.
OH, IN THE BACK AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN JUST BECAUSE I, UNFORTUNATELY I SPENT TOO MUCH TIME ON THE INTERNET.
I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THESE, THESE PEOPLE'S CONCERN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT, ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE NATURE CENTER.
SO I THINK THE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS, I THINK TONIGHT WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT, THEY DESERVE TO HEAL.
SO, SO UPFRONT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THOSE EXISTING LARGE TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF, OF FOUR 50.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING WE'VE GOT THREE SIX.
THOSE ARE THE ONES AT FRONT ON CENTRAL AVENUE NOW, THOSE TREES? YES.
THE LARGE TREES ARE, ARE THIS, THIS PLANTING HERE ALONG THIS FRONTAGE, THIS LOW LOW PLANTING HERE IS SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE LARGE TREES THAT ARE GONNA REMAIN.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT THREE, SIX, WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? HOL THE LOW PLANNING HOLLY'S OR WHAT? THOSE ARE GREEN JUNIPERS.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME GREEN JUNIPERS IN THERE.
WE'VE GOT SOME RED CHOKE BERRIES.
UM, A WHITE FUR, SOME MORE CHOKE BERRIES HERE.
UM, AND SOME SWITCH GRASS ARE AROUND THE SIGN.
THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER TREES IN THE ISLANDS.
AND, AND JUST TO SPECIFICALLY GO INTO THE BACK HERE NOW, BEFORE WE GO IN THE BACK, GO GO BACK TO THE FRONT.
LET'S TAKE CURRENT STATE VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
CURRENT STATE, THERE AREN'T ANY TREES ON THOSE ISLANDS, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE? CAN I SHOW YOU A STREET VIEW? YES.
I MEAN, WHAT'S IMPORTANT REALLY IS WHAT'S THERE NOW AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CURRENT VIEW OF THE SITE.
SO THESE THREE LARGE TREES, 1, 2, 3 ARE PROPOSED TO STAY MM-HMM.
AND WE'RE PROPOSED TO HAVE LOW, YOU KNOW, THE LOWER VEGETATION IN HERE TO KIND OF BREAK UP.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE INTO THE SITE, THERE ARE SOME TREES IN THESE ISLANDS OKAY.
THAT ARE MAINLY MEANT TO STAY THERE.
I, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO IN HERE JUST BASED ON LOCATION.
TWO OF THESE TREES COME OUT AND THERE'S SOME REPLANTING OF THOSE TREES IN THOSE SAME GENERAL LOCATIONS.
UM, AND THEN IN THE BACK, I DON'T THINK, I DO HAVE SOME IMAGES I COULD SHOW YOU OF WHAT THE BACK LOOKS LIKE, IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
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SO THIS IS AN EXISTING PICTURE, KIND OF HALFWAY UP THE SITE LOOKING INTO THE, BACK INTO THE NATURE CENTER.AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME MATURE TREES THERE THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, UM, TO, TO CHANGE AT ALL.
I DUNNO IF I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO CLICK THROUGH THESE.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE SLOW.
SO THIS, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE NORTHEAST CORNER HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE GRASS AREA BEYOND THE PARKING.
LEMME GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
AND HOW FAR BACK, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW FAR BACK IN THAT VIEW? BEFORE WE GET TO THE NATURE CENTER? I, I WILL, WHEN I GO BACK TO THE PLAN, I CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO PUSH THE EXISTING PARKING, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PAVEMENT IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE BACK PARKING LOT, RIGHT.
SO THIS, THIS EDGE IS GONNA STAY, THIS IS GRASS WITH EXISTING TREES TO STAY.
ALL THESE TREES STAY AND WE'RE PROPOSING INFILL PLANTING IN THIS LAWN AREA TO KIND OF BREAK UP, YOU KNOW, GET A LOWER, LOWER PLANTING LINE THROUGH THERE TO KIND OF BREAK UP THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AGAIN, ASPHALT STAYS WHERE IT IS PLANTING IN THE LAWN AREA.
AND I, I, I CAN SWITCH BACK TO THE PLANTING.
YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS TOPOGRAPHY.
IS, IS IS NICHE CENTER ABOVE THIS PROPERTY? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE THOUGH IT, I'M NOT SURE IT'S YEAH, IT IS.
AND, AND THE TREES IN THOSE ISLANDS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THOSE ARE TO REMAIN CORRECT.
IN FACT ISN'T, ISN'T THE NATURE OF CENTER PARKING LOT IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THAT? NO, ACTUALLY IT'S A WOODED AREA AND A MEADOW AREA.
THE, THE PARKING LOT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF WILDLIFE IN THERE I THINK.
I CAN GO AND AERIAL SO YOU GUYS CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHERE THAT IS.
SO THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL OF, OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE LAWN AND AREA HERE AND THE, THE VEGETATION THAT'S GONNA REMAIN ALONG THE NATURE CENTER.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO INFILL THAT PLANTING IN THE LAWN, THE LAWN AREA HERE.
THAT TREE LINE'S EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, IN HERE.
IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE FROM THAT VIEW YOU CAN'T SEE THERE'S A GRASS AREA BEFORE WE GET TO THE TREE.
YOU REALLY DON'T SEE IT IN THAT, IN THE AERIAL VIEW, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE, THERE IT IS.
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, OKAY.
UM, ALRIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND THEN I HAVE A FEW OF MY OWN GO AHEAD.
UM, YOU CHAIR FIR FIRST OF ALL, UM, AS I SAID, AND WE'LL WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IN A FEW MINUTES, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNING IS YOU'RE TAKING WHAT IS FAIRLY DEAD AREA NOW IN THE BACK.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT DOES NOT, IT'S GONNA BE USED A LOT MORE, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE USED A LOT MORE.
AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO, TO THE NATURE CENTER, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE TO TRY TO SEPARATE OUT THE PROPERTY? SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE PUTTING IN SOMEWHERE IN THERE, SOME KIND OF FENCE, SOLID FENCE THAT WOULD BLEND IN WITH, WITH THE, I WOULDN'T WANT A WHITE, A WHITE VINYL FENCE.
I, I THINK I WOULD, SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND SHOT IF I EVER RECOMMENDED THAT
BUT SOMETHING LIKE A A, A MAHOGANY, A MAHOGANY COLOR OR A GREEN COLOR TO BLEND IN, IN WITH THAT WOULD SHOULD GIVE THEM MORE SEPARATION FOR FROM THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT NOT HOW I WAS WHERE EXACTLY IN THE BACK? JUST BEYOND THE UPPER IN THE, THE PROPERTY BETWEEN NOT THE GRASS AREA RIGHT.
BE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE NATURE CENTER PROPERTY.
WHERE IS IT DEPENDS ON, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, DEPENDING ON, ON WHERE THE TREES AND STUFF ARE NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THE TREES UNDER THERE.
YEAH, I CAN, BUT BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT HERE AND THE NATURE CENTER PROPERTY, THERE'S A SWATH OF GRASS AND TREES ALREADY.
SO I I'LL I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT AGAINST THE BACK TOO.
THERE'S NO TREES, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PROTECT LIGHTS.
IT COULD BE NOISE, IT COULD BE LOTS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF GOOD REASONS THAT I I LOVE WHAT YOU, I LOVE THE WAY IT IS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE ACTIVITY, WHICH THERE COULD BE HEADLIGHTS, THERE COULD BE, UM, EXHAUST FUMES THAT KIND OF GO IN THERE.
PROBABLY NOT, BUT IT COULD BE OKAY.
UM, IT SIMPLE SEPARATION WITH, WITH, WITH A FENCE COULD, COULD BE HELPFUL.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT, SO FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT SOMETHING, SOMETHING WHERE THAT GREEN LINE IS SHOWN ESSENTIALLY AT BEFORE THE PLANTING.
YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE TREES OUT TO PUT A FENCE.
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BUT MAYBE RIGHT BEFORE THE TREE LINE.WELL, TO CATCH YOU OR OUT AND, AND THEN YOU COULD, THERE'S A SPOT WHETHER IT GOES BEFORE OUR PLANT, WHETHER WE PULL OUR PLANT THING UP OR WE WEAVE IT IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING TREES.
I DON'T, DON'T, EITHER WAY GUYS.
COULD YOU, WE WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT.
YOU MIGHT WANT THE, I'M JUST MENTIONING TO THE BOARD AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE THE PLANTINGS, UM, ON YOUR SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE EASIER TO MAINTAIN.
UM, WE'RE INTERSPERSED BETWEEN SO WE CAN PULL 'EM FORWARD.
PULL 'EM CLOSER AND PUT THE FENCE BEHIND AND MAKE SURE THE TREES ONE, ONE SEC.
GUYS, ONE CONVERSATION WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IN A SECOND.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION NOW BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, I DID A SITE WALK, A SITE VISIT TO YOUR CURRENT FACILITY ON SUNDAY OR MONDAY, I FORGET WHICH DAY IT WAS.
I DECIDED TO COUNT CARS TO SEE IF I COULD STILL COUNT TO 10.
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD TO COUNT MORE THAN 10, HAD TO TAKE OFF MY SHOES.
IT WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT 225 CARS BETWEEN WHAT YOU HAVE STORED BEHIND SEVERE CARPET, UH, FURNITURE AND WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE LOT NOW, THE 115, ROUGHLY THAT DAY ON THE, THE SHOWROOM LOT.
AND THERE WERE ANOTHER 115 IN STORAGE BEHIND, UH, THE DINER OVER THERE BEHIND THE SEVERE, UH, FURNITURE STORE.
UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT I, I, I SEE AND I'VE, IT'S FRANKLY, I KNOW THAT
OWN THIS DEALERSHIP ORIGINALLY, BUT IT'S CONTINUED OKAY.
IS IT LOOKS LIKE A USED CAR LOT BECAUSE THEY'VE BACKED UP.
THERE ARE BACK UP TWO TO THREE A SPACE AND A COUPLE PLACES WHERE IT'S UP TO FIVE.
SO AS WE DO THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK, UH, WE WOULD, WOULD ASK FOR AS A CONDITION OF A SPECIAL PERMIT IS IT DID NOT BE ALLOWED MORE THAN ONE CAR PER SPACE.
IS THAT AN ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS? WELL, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE SHOWED THE PARKING THE WAY IT WAS.
THE, THE SITE PLAN BECOMES THE ENFORCEABLE ACTION.
THAT, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WE SHOWED.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN VIOLATION AT THE, OF THE DEALERSHIP.
BECAUSE THAT DEALERSHIP IS WAY OVER PARKED AND IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.
I, WE'VE HAD NO ISSUED, AT LEAST WE'VE HAD THE POLICE OUT THERE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TIMES.
'CAUSE IT USED TO BE THE CARS WERE ACTUALLY IN THE DRIVEWAY.
NOW I'VE TAKEN THEM OUT OF THE DR.
AND I'M HOPING THIS ISN'T GONNA MAKE, I KNOW WHY YOU WANNA MOVE THERE.
WHAT YOU, YOU'RE DOING GREAT BUSINESS THERE.
BUT, UH, IT REALLY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE, WE DON'T AS A BOARD, AS A TOWN WANNA SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN, ON THIS SITE.
AND HOPEFULLY AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WILL CLEAN UP THAT OTHER SITE ONCE YOU MOVE OVER TO THIS ONE.
I, I THINK THE APPLICANT JUST SAID HE'S GONNA ABIDE BY HIS PLAN.
WELL, WHICH DESIGNATES THE PARKING SPOTS ON THIS PROPOSED SITE.
AND, AND THEY'RE AGREEABLE ON THE RECORD TO NO STACKING.
THAT'S WHY WE SHOWED THE PARKING THE WAY WE DID.
THAT'S, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION HAVE YEAH.
I MEAN, LOOK, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, RIGHT? THERE'S THOSE PARKING, THE PARKING IS IN THE REAR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU JUST START STACKING CARS, JAMMING CARS BACK IN THERE.
THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH THEM THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
THE PARKING LOT WAS, WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU ALMOST HAVE ENOUGH FOR EVERY CAR THAT'S THERE.
NOW, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THAT OTHER FACILITY FOR A FEW YEARS.
YOU STILL HAVE A LEASE, I BELIEVE ON THE BARNES AND NOBLE ONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR ARRANGEMENT IS WITH THE CARPET PLACE.
UM, I MEAN THE, THE FURNITURE STORE.
BUT, UM, AS LONG AS WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA STAY WITHIN THAT CAPACITY, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS BOARD A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? I THINK I CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? WELL, I WAS WAITING TILL YOU FINISH IT UP.
SO, UM, UH, YOU HAD A, IN, IN THE, IN IN THE SUBMITTAL HERE, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER ON CAR CARRIER SHIPMENTS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ON THE PAGE? I THINK I, THIS IS, I JUST DIDN'T HEAR WHAT WAIVER FOR CAR CARRIER SHIPMENTS.
OH, UH, NO, NOT, NOT A WAIVER FOR CAR CARRIER SHIPMENTS.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S, UM, A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, LOADING AND UNLOADING PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED.
AND SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOADING
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AND UNLOADING VEHICLES FROM TRUCKS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND THAT SPECIAL, THAT THAT CONDITION.BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
SO THEREFORE, WE WERE SAYING, ASKING THE BOARD TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE SUBMIT A LOADING AND UNLOADING PLAN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING THAT ACTIVITY.
YOU'RE GONNA BE DRIVING INDIVIDUAL CARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WE'RE GONNA BE DRIVING THE CAR'S INDIVIDUALLY.
NOW WE CAN ALSO, CAN WE CONDITION THAT? YES, WE CAN WE'LL CONDITION THAT TO, TO THEN THAT, THAT'S THE PROCEDURE.
THEY'LL BE USED NO USE OF CAR CARRIERS TO DELIVER VEHICLES TO THE SITE.
OH, I THINK RECORD, FINISH AND MICHAEL, GO AHEAD.
UM, AND THEN CONSIDERING THAT YOU HAVE A, UH, SOME EXCESS PARKING IN THE BACK, AND I THINK WE REQUESTED THAT, UH, YOU CONSIDER, UH, HAVING THAT AS A, UH, AS EITHER A POROUS PAVER OR JUST A GREEN SPACE INSTEAD OF, UH, EXISTING ASPHALT.
UM, AND ALSO YOU, YOU'RE GETTING A FAVOR OF NOT HAVING ANY ISLAND, UH, LANDSCAPE CURB EVERY 15 CAR, WHICH I THINK WAS A, ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT YOU HAD.
I THINK THERE'S ONE PLACE ON THE SITE WHERE WE CAN, WHERE WE'RE NOT MEETING THE 15, UH, CAR LIMITATION, UM, WHICH WAS EXISTING AS FAR, I MEAN, I THINK OUR POSITION IS ON, ON PERVIOUS PAVERS THAT WERE ALREADY, UM, DECREASING THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS ON THE SITE AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
LOOK, I'M THINKING OF THE NATURE CENTER BEHIND YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S OKAY.
HOW MANY VEHICLE MOVEMENTS THERE WILL BE PER DAY IN THE REAR OF YOUR BUILDING WHEN YOU'RE UP AND GOING? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WELL, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD GET THAT ANSWER TO US, IT WOULD BE GREAT.
I DON'T NEED TO DO IT TONIGHT.
THOSE ARE ALL THE VEHICLE STORAGE SPACES.
SO THOSE ARE NOT THE ONES YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING.
WELL THAT'S WHAT, ISN'T THAT WHERE THE SERVICE CARS ARE GONNA BE BE PARKED TOO? THE, THE BACKPACK LOT IS ALL VEHICLE STORAGE.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL DENOTED AS VEHICLES.
SO WHERE THE, THE SERVICE CAR'S GONNA BE PARKED WHERE IN THE NEXT BAY? IF YOU COULD SHARE THE SCREEN.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE IN THE BACK, BUT NOT, NOT AGAINST, AGAINST NOT, UH, AS CLOSE TO THE NATURE CENTER.
IT'S IN THE BACK, BUT NOT THE BACK ROW.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE ALL, ALL OF ALL OF THESE WITH THE DIAMOND ARE DENOTED AS VEHICLE STORAGE.
THAT WHOLE BACK ROW IS VEHICLE STORAGE.
SO YOU, THERE'S FIVE SPOTS HERE AND THE SPOTS HERE THAT PARK DIRECTLY AGAINST THE BUILDING.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SERVICED.
NOW VEHICLE STORAGE ARE ARE CARS THAT YOU WANT TO SELL? YEAH.
AND HOW MANY CARS ARE YOU GONNA SELL A DAY? YOU DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER.
IT SEEMS TO ME JUST THAT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE STORED PER DAY, THE MOVEMENTS ARE NOT GONNA BE THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, HOW MANY ARE YOU GONNA SELL A DAY? NOT FROM BACK THERE.
ALL OF BE EITHER MICHAEL, SOME OF THEM FRONT.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE 10 WOULD BE MORE THAN ONE AN HOUR, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LOT.
I I'M TO, I'M JUST GET I'M WELL, YOU'RE ALSO NOT SELLING 'EM ALL FROM THE BACK.
YOU HAVE SALES CARS IN THE FRONT.
SO, SO THE NUMBER BACK, BACK IN VIRGINIA, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE MOVEMENTS DOWN BY THE BORDER WITH THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER EVERY DAY SHOULD BE MINIMAL.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY.
HOW MANY, UH, IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO, TO SPEAK? ALL OF US.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE, I I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY SPEECH FIRST.
ONE THING WE DO IN THIS BOARD, WHICH, UH, YOU DON'T SEE IN THE TOWN BOARD, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICY.
OKAY? WE DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT, BUT WE STILL ASK YOU TO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING THE SAME THING AS SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY SAID IT, YOU STILL SHOULD GET UP AND SAY, I AGREE WITH, UH, SO AND SO.
BUT DON'T REPEAT WHAT THEY SAID BEFORE, PLEASE.
THE OTHER THING I DO WANT TO TALK TO, AND I, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS CAME OUT.
I HOPE YOU COME OUT TO MORE MEETINGS.
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PUBLIC WOULD COME OUT TO MORE MEETINGS.IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.
OUR JOB AS A BOARD IS WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LAW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO STAY WITHIN.
OKAY? SO, UH, THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE DO.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THINGS COMPLY WITH THE TOWN CODE AND STATE LAW.
THAT'S FIRST PART OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS ALSO MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOING TO BE IMPACTS ARE ALWAYS IMPACTS WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE IS MAKING A CHANGE LIKE THAT.
SO OUR JOB IS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS AS BEST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
OKAY? SO THOSE ARE HOW, THOSE ARE THE WAYS WE, THOSE ARE THE FACTORS WE USE IN, IN DETERMINING WHETHER WE APPROVE SOMETHING OR NOT.
UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THE PUBLIC, THEY, THEY, SOME PE PEOPLE THINK IT'S A POPULARITY CONTEST.
WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT.
SO STATE OF FACTS, STATE YOUR CONCERNS AND, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW ALREADY, PLEASE TELL US BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE PUBLIC BECOMES IMPORTANT.
YOU GUYS KNOW THAT AREA AS WELL AS, AS ANYBODY.
OKAY? I ALSO LIVE IN EDGEMONT AND AS DOES MICHAEL.
SO WE'VE BEEN LIVE THERE A FEW YEARS OURSELVES, BUT, BUT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE FOCUSED ON THAT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE REPRESENTED THE NATURE CENTER HERE.
WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT? DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING THAT, NOPE, THAT WAS GOOD.
IN THAT CASE, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND AND, UH, WE'LL TAKE YOUR, WE'LL START WITH JIM.
I'VE GOTTEN THAT KIND OF COUNSELING A LOT RECENTLY, BUT ANYWAY, NOT FOR ME.
UH, MY NAME IS JIM BLAND AND, UH, I'M AT 74 HIGH RIDGE ROAD IN HARTSDALE.
I AM NOT 39 YEARS OLD, BUT I AM A 39 YEAR RESIDENT OF, UH, GREENBURG AND EDGEMONT.
AND, UH, I'M ON THE BOARD AT THE NATURE CENTER.
AND, UM, THE NATURE CENTER IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AS YOU NOTED.
UH, WE'RE TO THE EAST, UH, OF, OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IN QUESTION.
AND JUST ABOVE THAT PARKING LOT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS OUR MEADOW, OUR OUR, OUR MEADOW AND OUR BUTTERFLY.
A AND IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL, PEACEFUL PLACE.
IT IS A, IT IS A, UH, IT IS A UNIQUE PLACE WITHIN GREENBURG.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL US AN OASIS OF GREEN, BUT IT'S A ALSO AN OASIS OF PEACE AND QUIET.
AND, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, SEVERAL PLACES IN THAT MEADOW WHERE, UH, YOU CAN SIT AND CONTEMPLATE AND, AND RELAX.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, OVERALL, AS, AS WAS NOTED EARLIER, THIS PROPOSAL TAKES WHAT HAS LONG BEEN A RELATIVELY LOW VOLUME, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO A MUCH HIGHER VOLUME AND FRANKLY, NOISIER USE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN, IN WHAT YOU DESCRIBED THAT I LIKE.
UH, SO I WANT TO, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU THAT FOR THAT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE, I FRANKLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
I I DON'T REALLY HAVE COMMENTS.
UM, THE FIRST QUESTION RELATES TO TRAFFIC.
AND, UH, AS THIS BOARD KNOWS AS WELL AS ANYONE, UH, THERE'S A, A LARGE BUILDING, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING GOING UP AT ONE DRILL MORE ROAD AS WE SPEAK, AND 45 NEW APARTMENTS ARE BEING BUILT.
UH, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE 90 CARS OR SO THAT WILL PARK IN THAT LOT EVERY DAY AND GO IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT ON A VERY NARROW, CURVY ROAD.
UH, THE KEY ISSUE IS WHEN ALL THOSE CARS GET DOWN TO CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS STILL BEING CONSTRUCTED, WHERE DO THEY GO AND HOW DO THEY GET OUT OF THERE? MAKING A, A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF DRMO ROAD IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.
AND WE CANNOT HAVE A LIGHT THERE.
WE CANNOT ADD A LIGHT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A LIGHT AT THE POST OFFICE.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND I I UNDERSTAND, I'M BEING, I'M BEING SARCASTIC, THERE ARE REASONS THAT, UH, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY WILL NOT HAVE LIGHTS EVERY 50 FEET.
YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REASONABLE DISTANCE.
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ALREADY NOT ADDRESSED.I DON'T KNOW OF ANY TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE TO EXAMINE THAT, BUT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A HYUNDAI DEALER.
YOU KNOW, NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YARDS, UH, THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEALERSHIP IS FROM DRAW MORE, BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT VERY FAR.
AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT DEALERSHIP ON TOP OF THE 45 APARTMENTS AND THE 90 CARS COMING OUT OF DRILL MOORE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE MANAGED.
MY BET IS THERE HAS BEEN NO TRAFFIC STUDY.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT SOMEONE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY SO WE CAN ANTICIPATE HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE MANAGED.
TURNING LEFT FROM EITHER DRILL MOORE IS GOING TO BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
AND SO MY MY VIEW IS THERE SHOULD BE NO LEFT TURN OUT.
UH, AND, AND, UH, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S FOR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
DETERMINE TO DETERMINE THE ISSUE IS WHERE DO ALL THESE CARS GO? HOW DOES THAT GET MANAGED? THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR YOUR DEALERSHIP TOO.
WE HAVE LOTS OF OTHER CONCERNS.
UM, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS RELATE TO THE TRANSITION, MEANING WHEN THIS NEW FACILITY IS BEING BUILT, BUT IT QUESTIONS ALSO RELATE TO, UH, ONGOING USE, MEANING OVER TIME WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THE SITUATION GOING TO BE? YES.
I HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
TAKE SOME NOTES AND THEN THEN YOU, YOU CAN HOPEFUL.
WELL, WE'LL WAIT, WAIT TILL TILL MR. GLEN IS FINISHED.
I HEARD LIGHTS BEING TALKED ABOUT WHAT I, AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE DOWNWARD FACING, YOU KNOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADOPTING THE DARK SKIES STANDARDS.
MY QUESTIONS, UH, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOTS, MR. BLAND.
IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR THE BENEFIT OF THIS STENOGRAPHER.
I GUARANTEE THOSE TWO ARE TAKING COPIOUS NOTES.
RIGHT?
USUALLY PEOPLE CAN HEAR ME, SO I'M PRETTY LOUD.
UH,
AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THERE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT? LOTS.
AND IF SO, WHAT KINDS OF LIGHTS ARE THEY? MY HOPE IS THEY'RE NOT THIS KIND OF LIGHT.
MY HOPE IS THERE, THIS KINDA LIGHT.
UM, I'M JUST ASKING FOR WHAT THE ANSWER IS, JIM.
SO IF YOU TALK TO THE BOARD,
UH, NOISE IS ANOTHER QUESTION.
AND UM, CAR DEALERSHIPS ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE SALES PART THAT'S NOISY, IT'S THE REPAIR SHOP, IT'S THE PNEUMATIC TOOLS, IT'S THE CHANGING OF THE TIRES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF A REPAIR SHOP, BUT IT CAN BE QUITE NOISY.
SO I NOTICED SOME BIG DOORS ON THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING.
WHAT ARE THOSE DOORS FOR? ARE THOSE GOING TO BE OPEN MUCH OF THE TIME? ANY OF THE TIME? WHAT ARE THEY FOR? I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT THE, UM, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS WAS GOING TO BE FROM THE END OF THE BUILDING OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO I'M SURPRISED TO SEE THOSE BIG BAY DOORS ON THE BACK IF THEY ARE BAY DOORS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT ARE THOSE DARK THINGS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING? THEN? WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS.
TO THE EXTENT WE CAN BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME THIS GREAT.
UH, REGARDING PLANTINGS, WE WOULD URGE, UM, PARTICULARLY WE WOULD URGE THIS ANYWAY, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE, BUT ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEXT TO THE NATURE CENTER, THAT YOU AIR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO USING NATIVE PLANTS.
UM, WE PRETTY MUCH ONLY DO NATIVE PLANTS ON OUR 33 ACRES, AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THE SAME.
THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION OF A FENCE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A FENCE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
NOW I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED
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OR, AND OR REPAIRED.I'M JUST SAYING IT MIGHT BE EASIER.
UM, AND, AND THE, THE EXISTING FENCE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FALLING DOWN OR NEEDING REPAIR.
ANOTHER QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE GRASSY AREA AT THE REAR OF THE PARKING LOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A GUARANTEE THAT CARS WILL NOT BE PARKED ON THAT GRASSY AREA.
IT IT NEEDS TO, THE, THE CARS NEED TO BE LIMITED TO, I ASSUME, THE PAVED AREA.
AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE GUARANTEES, REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, RULES AGAINST NOT PARKING ON THE GRASS.
UM, LET ME LOOK AT MY LIST, SEE IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING.
I DID WONDER WHERE, UM, HOW THE, HOW THE TWO, AND I THINK I HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT I THINK YOU'RE PLANNING FOR 207 SPOTS.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW? OR, I'M SORRY.
NO, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT IS THERE NOW? UM, SAME.
SO I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
DO YOU MEAN ON THE, ON THE EXISTING SITE? ON THE, NO, NO.
I DON'T MEAN THE BARNES AND NOBLE SITE.
I JUST WANNA DO A TIME CHECK HERE.
AND, UM, WE NEED TO WRAP THIS UP BY NINE TONIGHT.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET EVERYBODY IN TONIGHT, WE CAN'T.
IF NOT, IF WE DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BECAUSE OF THE RAIN.
I'D RATHER GET YOU GUYS IN TONIGHT 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE CASES TONIGHT.
BUT IF WE DON'T, WE WILL HOLD IT OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
EVERYBODY'S GETTING A CHANCE TO TALK EITHER TONIGHT OR THE NEXT ONE.
PROBABLY THE PEOPLE IN ZOOM MAY NOT TONIGHT.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE WITH THE COMMITTEE.
MARTY, COULD YOU WAIT? I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I'D RATHER TAKE, LET ME TAKE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE FROM EDGEMONT FIRST.
THANK YOU MURRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING.
YEAH, MY NAME IS ANNA EVA AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
UM, WE ARE THE NEIGHBORING COMPLEX THAT IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UM, THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UH, WE ARE IN AN EXTREMELY CLOSE PROXIMITY FROM THE PARKING LOT.
I MEAN, UM, ON THE CORNER OF THE PLAYGROUND WHERE THE KIDS AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME.
AND IF WE HAVE ALL THOSE CARS DRIVING AND GOING BACK AND FORTH, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF FUMES.
AND OF COURSE, UH, LIKE MR. MURRAY DRESSED IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTS, CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT, UH, MYSELF AGAIN, BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING THAT MR. MURRAY ADDRESSED.
AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DOOR THAT ALLOWS OUR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.
IT'S A SHORTCUT TO THE EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE CONCERNED IF THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, IT WILL BE RESTRICTED FROM USING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ENTRANCE.
UM, ALSO HOW ONCE THEY BUILD THE SERVICE, UM, CENTER, THAT CENTER, IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY.
AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE A LOT OF CARS GOING IN AND OUT.
UM, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NOISE, I'M ASSUMING, AND OUR SHAREHOLDERS WILL BE OVERLOOKING THE 80 CARS OR 200 CAR, OR 200 CARS, AS MANY AS THEY CAN PARK ON THAT, UH, PART OF THE PARKING LOT ON THE BACK OF THE, THE BUILDING.
SO, UM, I MEAN ALSO CONSIDERING THE VERY SHORT NOTICE WE HAVE RECEIVED, WE JUST WERE MADE AWARE OF, UH, THIS PROJECT.
WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GET AN EXTENSION AND LOOK THIS, UH, FURTHER AND ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, UH, COME UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO TALK AGAIN.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE PLANS AND, AND THE EXACT, OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA HIRE SPECIALISTS.
GO TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S A POSS POSSIBILITY.
I ONE TAKE THE PEOPLE FROM HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN AND WHO, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW THIS GENTLEMAN, JUST BE PREPARED TO SPEAK.
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SPEAK BESIDES THIS GENTLEMAN? TWO.MURRAY, HOW LONG ARE YOU GONNA BE? CAN YOU KEEP IT WITHIN A COUPLE MINUTES? OKAY.
CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE THAT GENTLEMAN GO FIRST PLEASE? IF, IF YOU WANT, I WANT IT.
YOU'RE BEING A GENTLE, I I RESPECT THE ELDER.
I JUST MADE A BEST FRIEND OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE YOU COME TO PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, YOU'RE FACING A CHANGE IN THE WORLD.
THE 2023 MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES CAME OUT IN DECEMBER AND IT SPECIFICALLY REMOVED ALL WARRANTS.
THAT MEANS IT'S A FREE FOR ALL AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT BEFORE IS OFF THE BOOKS.
AND YES, YOU CAN HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT 50 FEET AWAY IF YOU ARE YOUR LOCAL PEOPLE SEE THAT AS AN ADVANTAGE.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT CAN'T BE DONE.
IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN DONE NOW.
IT CAN, IT CAN BE DONE WITH A DEMAND.
CAN IT BE DONE WITH A DEMAND? UH, DEMAND LIGHT SO IT DOESN'T WORK ALL THE TIME.
I BELIEVE NOW WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, YOU CAN DO THAT.
YES, THEY GAVE AARON THE RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I SAY AARON FOR A REASON BECAUSE AARON BEFORE SAID TRAFFIC CONTROLLED PERSON.
HE'S THE FIRST ONE WHO DIDN'T REFER AS A FLAGGER.
THEY CAN'T GET RID OF THE WORD FLAGGER BECAUSE FLAGS ARE USELESS.
NOBODY KNOWS IT'S A STOP SLOW PADDLE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I BOUGHT THE FIRST STOP SLOW PADDLE AND GAVE IT TO THE TAM GREEN VERSUS STAY, STAY ON, STAY ON POINT.
I WANNA GET TO THESE PEOPLE PLEASE.
MURRAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? YES, I OPPOSE ALL NEW, UH, AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS BECAUSE WE ARE TRANSITIONING TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T NEED DEALERSHIPS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS MULTIPLE.
I ALSO PASSED WHERE THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GONNA BRING TRAILER TRUCKS TO THE ONE ON, SO RIVER ROAD.
IT WENT AROUND AND MADE A RIGHT TURN ON MAIN STREET.
OKAY, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO MINUTES UP, YOU MADE THE POINT.
THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MARTY, I APPRECIATE IT.
I STAY IN, UH, 302 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
ALL MY NEIGHBORS ARE HERE AND THEY'RE SUPPORTING OF ALL OF US.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I WANNA START WITH THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT BETWEEN WHAT WE SAW IN THE LAST MEETING FROM A PLAN AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY.
NOW SOMEBODY NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHY IS THERE A SHIFT? ARE WE THERE WITH A PLAN RIGHT NOW OR IS IT GOING TO HAVE MORE ITERATIONS? BECAUSE AS, UH, OUR PRESIDENT JUST SAID THAT WE WANNA REVIEW THE PLAN IN MORE DETAIL.
WE CANNOT LIVE WITH AN ITERATIVE PLAN.
I THINK WE NEED A PLAN THAT CAN BE REVIEWED AND JUST BETWEEN THE LAST TIME AND THIS TIME THAT ARE BASED ON, IT WAS ACTUALLY RESPONSIVE TO PLAINTIFF BOARD OF COMMENTS.
YEAH, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
NEVERTHELESS, THE MOST RECENT PLAN WAS JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT WANT A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL TAKE FOUR EXAMPLES AND MAYBE THEN YOU CAN EXPLAIN ME BETTER IF I IN RESPONSE TO YOUR LAST COMMENTS LAST TIME, THERE WERE HOLLIES IN THE FRONT.
THIS TIME THERE ARE DIFFERENT PLANTS IN THE FRONT THAT WAS NOT RESPONSE TO THE LAST TIME'S QUESTIONS.
OKAY? SO IT'S A CHANGE IN THE PLAN.
LAST TIME THERE WAS NO, THE LAST TIME IT WAS STATED THAT THERE'S NO CHANGING LIGHTING.
THIS TIME WE SEE A PLAN AROUND THE LIGHTING, A SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND MR. DESAI, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION LAST TIME THAT PROMPTED THEM TO THINK THAT THEY NEED A PLAN ON LIGHTING.
LAST TIME THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN LIGHTING.
LAST TIME THERE WERE FOUR TREES, FOUR REGULATED TREES, WHICH WERE CUT, SUPPOSED TO BE CUT DOWN.
THIS TIME THERE ARE SEVEN REGULATED TREES, WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CUT DOWN, CHANGE IN THE PLAN, NOT BASED ON THE LAST VERSION, BUT IT'S A NEW ITERATION OF THE PLAN.
THEY'RE GONNA DO A, A FULL RESPONSE TO ALL THE COMMENTS.
IF WE HAVE TIME, THERE WILL BE A RESPONSE.
WHAT IS THIS BASED ON THE QUESTIONS WHICH WERE ASKED LAST TIME OR THERE ARE CHANGES IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT AS WELL.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE LANDSCAPING, BUT UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THE LIGHTING.
THAT WAS A REQUEST OF THE BOARD, CORRECT? ALSO, THE
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EMERGENCY ACCESS OFF OF DR. MOORE ROAD WAS THE REQUEST OF THE FIRE DISTRICT CHIEF.AND THAT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF THE THREE ADDITIONAL TREES.
SO THE REQUEST IS THAT I THINK WE NEED A FARM PLAN, WHICH WE CAN TAKE AWAY REVIEW AND WE SHOULD BE GIVEN ENOUGH TIME THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT AND COME BACK WITHOUT QUESTION.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT.
OKAY, NOW THERE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WHICH WE JUST HEARD FROM THE BOARD.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THOSE BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNS THAT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE PRESENT SPACE WHERE THE DEALERSHIP IS RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE A USED CAR.
IT IS GONNA BE THE SAME WAY IN THE FUTURE OR IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE SAME SAME WAY IN THE FUTURE.
AND WHY DO WE THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT WAY IN THE FUTURE? IN THE NEW NEW LOCATION? WE HEARD ABOUT FUMES THAT GO TO GREENBURG NATURE CENTER.
SOMEBODY IN THE BOARD ACTUALLY MADE THAT COMMENT.
I'M JUST REITERATING IT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS AS WELL.
SO JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY FROM, FROM A LETTER FROM MADELINE OR SHADE TO THE BOARD.
WE HEARD ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION.
UH, WE DID HEAR A PLAN AROUND LIGHTING, BUT LIGHT POLLUTION IS NOT JUST THAT THE LIGHTS ARE FACING DOWN, LIGHT IS VISIBLE FROM A FAR DISTANCE AWAY.
SPECIFICALLY IN THE WINTERS WHEN THERE IS NO NO LEAVES ON TREES, THE LIGHTS ARE VISIBLE FROM A VERY FAR DISTANCE AWAY.
IT'S A NUISANCE TO THE ANIMALS, WHICH ARE OUR FRIENDS IN GREENBURG NATURE CENTER.
IT'S A NUISANCE TO THE 200 APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THERE ARE 45 NEW APARTMENTS WHICH ARE COMING IN.
THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY APARTMENTS THAT HAS, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM DROMO ROAD.
IT'S A HEAVILY POPULATED AREA WITH HUMANS AND ANIMALS AND THE CONCERNS THAT WE RAISED, THE LOOK OF THE PLACE USED CAR LOT DIFF FUMES ARE NOT JUST A PROBLEM FOR THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER.
THEY'RE A PROBLEM FOR THE, FOR HUMANS WHO LIVE AROUND AS WELL.
ANOTHER PROBLEM FOR ALL THE HUMANS AS WELL WHO LIVE, LIVE AROUND, UH, WE SO FAR HAVE NOT SPOKEN ABOUT SAFETY WITH THE NEW ESTABLISHMENT COMING IN THERE.
BUT IT'LL BE GOOD TO HEAR ABOUT THE PLAN AROUND THAT PLACE AS WELL.
ARE THERE GOING TO BE VIDEO CAMERAS? IF YES, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE PLACED? WHAT DIRECTION ARE THEY GONNA BE PLACED? I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST SAFETY OF PEOPLE WALKING IN THERE.
UH, WE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE IS A SMALL GATE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO STAY AROUND TO WALK THROUGH THE PRESENT ESTABLISHMENT TO GO TO SCHOOL.
KIDS GO TO SCHOOL FROM THERE ON A DAILY BASIS EVERY SINGLE DAY, MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
AND DO THEY WALK, ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH THE PARKING LOT? THEY WALK THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
I DUNNO HOW YOU GET AROUND IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? EXCUSE ME, SIR.
WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA TIME, SO ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, GIMME, GIMME LIKE A MINUTE MORE.
I HAVE QUESTIONS AROUND THE PARKING SPACES AS WELL.
WE HEARD THAT THERE ARE 200 PARKING SPACES PRESENTLY IN THAT PROPERTY.
I HEARD THAT NUMBER IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
UH, SO THERE IS AN ADDITION OF SIX.
WE'LL, WE'LL LET THEM RESPOND TO THAT.
THEY'LL RESPOND TO ALL THIS QUESTION.
OKAY, I'LL, I'LL BE MORE SPECIFIC.
THERE WERE 89 SALES AND EMPLOYEES AND THERE 117 CAR STORIES.
THE NEW ONES 89 PLUS 117 TOTALS UP TO 206.
WE NEED TO, WE AT LEAST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AS WELL BECAUSE THERE IS A DISCREPANCY IN WHAT WE HEARD ON THE TWO NUMBERS.
UH, WE JUST HEARD WATER ECLIPSE ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
I THINK IT'S A POPULAR TERM NOW IN GREENBURG AND WE DON'T WANT MORE WATER TO BE GOING ONTO THE INTERESTING ONTO THAT CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
RIGHT? JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK IT IS BEEN BEING, UH, INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS IS NOT BEING, UH, DECREASED.
RIGHT? IMPERVIOUS, OUS, SORRY.
AND EVEN IF IT WASN'T TOWN CODE SAYS IT HAS TO BE
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THE SAME OR LESS RUNOFF THAN PREBUILT CONDITION.BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
MORE IMPERVIOUS INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ACTUALLY.
UH, THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS BLAND, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE, HAS THE GARAGE ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR STAY, WHICH MEANS FUMES, NOISE, POLLUTION, LIGHTS, EVERYTHING IS POINTED COMPLETELY TOWARDS RESIDENCE.
A HUGE PROBLEM AND A HUGE CONCERN.
I'M JUST RAISING A CONCERN AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I CANNOT BE IN A SITUATION TO PROVIDE COMMENTS OR PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS.
I'M GONNA REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT.
I THINK I'LL TAKE A PAUSE HERE.
WELL WAS JUST SAY THIS IS A VERY GOOD LIKELIHOOD WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS OVER FOR ANOTHER MEETING ANYWAY, GIVEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT.
I WAS JUST INCLUDING NOT BEING ABLE TO REVIEW, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, SEE YOU SOON AGAIN.
YOU WON'T HAVE TO COME OUT IN THE RAIN, IN THE WIND.
I LIVE IN 3 72 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND UH, REALLY CARING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT IS A BIG DEAL.
BUT I NEV I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY OF YOU CARING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.
WE LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY.
NOBODY MENTIONED HUMAN BEINGS.
THERE ARE KIDS, THERE ARE OLD PEOPLE.
THERE ARE, THE VIEW IS GONNA BE A DISASTER.
IT'S GONNA BE A, A AIR POLLUTION IS GONNA BE FIRE HAZARD.
ARE THEY THIS, UH, CERTAIN DISTANCE BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL AND A COMMERCIAL BUILDING? BECAUSE THAT COMMERCIAL WAS COMMERCIAL, BUT IT WAS A DANCE STUDIO THERE, IT WAS A DENTIST OFFICE.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE A DANCE STUDIO WITH A A A CAR DEALERSHIP.
SO ARE THERE LIMITATIONS ON THAT, ON THAT DISTANCE? SHOULD BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE THAT FROM THIS TO THAT, FROM RESIDENTIAL TO, IS ANYBODY LOOKING INTO THAT? NO.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS IT.
UH, ALSO THE RAIL, UH, THE VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE IS GONNA GO DOWN.
WHY? BECAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA BUY A HOUSE WITH A CAR DEALERSHIP NEARBY.
EVEN YOU DON'T SAY YES, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE HOUSES AND APARTMENTS.
YOU ARE GONNA AGREE WITH THAT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT, THAT CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, DISASTER PARK AVENUE, NOW IT'S TIME TO DO IT.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M GONNA BE SURE.
THESE ARE MY NEIGHBORS AND OUR CONCERNS.
UM, I WANNA ECHO EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT THE NATURE CENTER.
HOWEVER, WE ARE AS IMPORTANT AS HUMAN BEINGS, AS THE NATURE CENTER AND WE LOVE THE NATURE CENTER A HUNDRED.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU CARE AND YOU CARE ABOUT US.
OUR CHILDREN, WHERE WE LIVE, WE DON'T PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY REPORT.
SOMEONE LOOKING INTO, JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBOR SAID ABOUT THE FUMES.
THERE'S A REPAIR, IT'S A REPAIR STATION.
SO NOT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE TRAFFIC.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA TRUCK IN CARS, SALES DRIVING TEST DRIVES IN AND OUT ALL DAY.
THE EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL IS SO CLOSE.
IF YOU LIVE IN EDGEMONT, YOU KNOW THE THREE O'CLOCK TRAFFIC, SEALY, GREENBERG, UH, UH, THAT ONE AND, AND, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL.
RIGHT? THAT TRAFFIC IN AND OF ITSELF IS JUST HOW IT, IT'S INCONCEIVABLE THAT A DEALERSHIP IS GONNA MANAGE AND ADD ON TO WHAT WE ALREADY SUFFERING.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE MORE THAN THE NATURE CENTER.
AND I LOVE THE BUTTERFLY EXHIBIT MORE THAN ANYONE.
AND WE ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
WE ARE, I I I'M GONNA SAY 50 FEET WITH WINDOWS AND TERRACES OVERLOOKING A REPAIR STATION.
NOW WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO US? AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT THIS, OUR KIDS.
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THE LAST FIVE MINUTES.HELLO, MY NAME'S ERIC MARLOWE.
I LIVE IN THE EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
UM, EVERYTHING WHAT EVERYBODY SAID, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH.
UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD THAT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS DOING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS, THIS BUSINESS IS JUST GONNA BE PROVIDED NOT FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT FOR OUTSIDERS COMING IN TO, TO BUY CARS.
AND I WANT TO KNOW, UM, LIKE WHERE IS IT GONNA STOP? HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT THE, THE, THE TOWN OF EDGEMONT AND OKAY, WHAT'S NEXT? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE CABARET LICENSES? ARE YOU GONNA APPROVE, UH, NIGHTCLUBS OR AMUSEMENT PARKS TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTS? SO WHERE DOES IT STOP? WHERE DOES THIS BUSINESS BENEFIT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT? THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE AUDIENCE? HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU GUYS NEED FOR, UH, RESPONSE? 'CAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE ON, ON ZOOM AND IT'S ABOUT 10 MINUTES IN AND I REALLY HAVE A HARD STOP AT NINE.
SO, UH, I I THINK WE NEED ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE, WE'LL GO TO TO THE FIRST ZOOM CALL THEN.
LINDA M WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS PROJECT? I'M SORRY FOR THE MISPRONUNCIATION OF YOUR LAST NAME, THEN WE HAVE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON ZOOM? OH, MISS MU MUYA.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO? THAT'S CORRECT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN, YES.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? WE CAN ANSWER HER.
I LIVE NEXT DOOR AT THREE 70 CENTRAL PARK, THE EDGEMONT.
I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING AT THE MEETING AND SAY THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID.
ANYBODY ELSE ON ZOOM? YES, NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
UM, TO THE APPLICANT, JUST RESPOND WHAT YOU CAN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE, IF IT POSSIBLE RESPOND, I MEAN RESPOND VERBALLY, BUT, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEING RECORDED AND ALSO, AND, AND ON THE RECORD HERE, BUT IF THERE COULD BE LIKE A Q AND A THAT WE CAN SEND OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU DO THAT FOR US.
THAT'D BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO DO THAT.
AND WE AND, AND WE DO WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
SO, UH, I WILL TRY TO DO THIS IN FIVE MINUTES.
UM, UH, SOMEONE ONCE SAID THAT IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN'T SUMMARIZE IN FIVE MINUTES, YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN BIG TROUBLE.
SO,
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S AN OBJECTION TO WHAT THE ZONING CODE PROVIDES FOR, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE.
UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT REPAIRS AND FUMES FROM, UH, REPAIRS AND NOISE FROM REPAIRS.
REPAIRS ARE ALL BEING CONDUCTED INDOORS INSIDE THE BUILDING.
THERE'LL BE NO WORK DONE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE, UM, THERE WAS MENTIONED BY, UM, MR. BLAND OF AN EXISTING FENCE, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT FENCE IS NOT ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THAT IS ON THE NATURE CENTER'S PROPERTY.
BUT THAT SAID, WE WILL CONSIDER THE COMMENT TONIGHT ABOUT, ABOUT A NEW FENCE.
AND, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE SURVEY THAT IS BASED ON OUR SURVEY.
SO JUST WANNA GET THAT IN THE RECORD.
UM, UH, I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK ON THE QUESTION OF PARKING SPACES.
UM, DO WE, DO WE KNOW THAT EXISTING THERE'S MORE THAN 2 0 7 EXISTING.
SO, SO ARE YOU TAKING DOWN PARKING SPACES? OH, WITH THE EXPANSION YOU LOSE SOME SPACES, RIGHT? I CAN, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OKAY.
YOU'LL HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR THE NEXT TIME.
BUT, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
WE ARE DECREASING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T KEEP HAVING THE PLAN CHANGE.
UM, I THINK THOSE COMMENTS WERE
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ADDRESSED, BUT THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING BOARD TO APPROVE.WE'RE UN UNLESS WE MAKE CHANGES BASED UPON SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, UH, THAT IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE APPROVED.
UM, THE COMMENT ABOUT, UH, HOW, HOW CAN WE TRUST THAT THIS LOCATION WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THE, UH, THE WHAT WAS TERMED TO LOOK LIKE A USED CAR LOT? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT THIS SITE IS MUCH LARGER, THREE TIMES LARGER AND CAN ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, NUMBER OF CARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TO PARK HERE.
SO THERE WILL BE NO STACKING, UM, OF VEHICLES ON THIS SITE.
UM, UH, WHAT ELSE DID WE HAVE HERE? UM, LIGHTING THERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND LIGHTING ALONG THE REAR.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO LIGHTING? SO JIM, THERE IS LIGHTING ALONG THE REAR OF THE PARKING LOT.
I'M SORRY, IF YOU COULD SPEAK IN, SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
THERE IS LIGHTING ALONG THE, THE REAR OF THE, THE EASTERN MOST PARKING LOT.
DOWN PRESENTLY OR IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION? PROPOSED CONDITION.
HOW HIGH ARE THOSE LIGHTS? UM, LET SEE.
I'M THINKING THEY COULD BE LOWER, CORRECT? YEAH, YOU COULD LOWER THEM.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE SIGHT LINE BUT BEHIND THE FENCE.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU CAN, UH, SUBMIT THE, THE LIGHTING PLAN, JUST SHOW WHAT IS ADDED AND WHAT'S EXISTING WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I JUST WANT NO, NO, NOW NO, NO.
ONE PERSON AT A TIME HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO WAIT.
THAT WAS THE LIGHTS, THE TURNED ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
WHAT? THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
COULD IT COULD ALSO BE MOTION SENSITIVE.
LOOK, DON'T TRY TO DO THE DON'T WORK THIS TONIGHT.
YEAH, WE WE DON'T WANNA DO IT ON THE FLY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE OVER QUESTIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO ASK HER TO GET IT IN LIKE A WEEK BEFORE IF YOU CAN THE NEXT HEARING SO THAT I, WE, THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND, AND, AND BE READY SO THEY CAN COMMENT AS WELL.
SO YOU, I I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS BEFORE WE PAUSE THIS, IF I MAY.
AND THEN I WANT HER TO FINISH.
ONE, ONE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED WAS ACCESS OF THE KIDS TO GO THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.
CAN THAT CONTINUE AND WILL IT BE SAFE? THAT WAS SOMETHING WE LEARNED TONIGHT.
SO GET TO I DID, I WAS NOT AWARE.
UH, AND SO I DID, I I DID WANT TO SPEAK WITH ANNA AFTERWARD BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT OR ANY SORT OF ACCESS IN WRITING THAT'S BEEN AGREED TO.
OH, YOU GOT BACK TO US THE NEXT TIME.
SECOND IS THIS, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REPAIRS WILL BE DONE INSIDE, BUT ORDER REPAIRS INVOLVE NOISE, PNEUMATIC DRILLS, HAMMER DRILLS, COMPRESSED AIR.
CAN YOU CONSIDER, WELL, WHAT WILL BE THE IMPACT OF THAT NOISE ON THE APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH? AND IF THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT, CAN YOU CONSIDER SOUNDPROOFING YOUR NEW FACILITY? SO THERE'S A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THOSE NEIGHBORS? SO I JUST WANT TO NOTE REAL QUICK THAT AS PART OF, UM, THE, THIS IS, UH, MATT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS PART OF THE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND REPAIR SHOP IN THE CA DISTRICT, ALL MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS MUST BE, UH, CONDUCTED WHOLLY INDOORS IN A SOUNDPROOF BUILDING.
UH, SO IF THEY FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THAT ASPECT OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, THAT WILL BE IN VIOLATION.
MATT, HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL THIS
THAT'S HOW HE KNOWS THIS WELL, YEAH.
WELL WE, WE, WE HAD, WE, WE KNOW OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND ALL SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA AND THAT IS ONE THAT WE INTEND TO MEET.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR SUMMARY? 'CAUSE WE, WE, WE NEED TO GO BACK INTO NO WORK SESSION.
NO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT, FIRST OF YOU, AISHA HAS QUESTION.
JUST ANOTHER QUICK POINT FOR THE RECORD.
UM, THE PUBLIC BROUGHT UP A NEW
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DEVELOPMENT AND REQUESTED SOMETHING RELATED TO A TRAFFIC STUDY.SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS AS FAR AS WHAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE WITH THOSE CARS AND THIS, UM, AND THE RESIDENTS OR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE COULD BE THERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS OFFLINE.
UM, THE IMPACT, THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IMPACT OF DRUMMER WROTE.
THEY'RE NOT, HOWEVER, UH, THE DESCRIPTION OF TRYING TO TAKE A LEFT OUTTA
UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE FIRST OF ALL REMEMBER IT'S A STATE ROAD.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO IN TERMS OF THAT INTERSECTION HAS TO BE STATE DOT SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY WORTH TALKING TO ANYWAY, JUST BECAUSE OF DROVE MORE ROAD, WE WILL TALK TO OUR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY PERSON.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW THINGS OUT THERE INCLUDING DEMAND, DEMAND RELATED LIGHTS NOW MM-HMM.
THAT REALLY CAN BE HELPFUL IN, IN THAT REGARD.
IT'S AN ISSUE IRRESPECTIVE OF, OF WHAT GO EVEN IF, EVEN IF THE SHOPPING CENTER WERE TOTALLY EMPTY, IT ISN'T LIKE THERE AREN'T CARS GOING IN AND OUTTA CENTRAL PARK DANCE.
'CAUSE I KNOW I TRIED TO TAKE A LEFT OUTTA THERE WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS THERE.
YOU, YOU, YOU MAY, YOU MAY WANNA SPEAK TO CANNING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
MY SENSE, AND I'M JUST GUESSING THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING IN.
I I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ASH.
WE CAN LOOK AT ASHTON ON THAT AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
LOOK AT WHAT THE ASTO STANDARDS, THEY, THEY TELL YOU TRAFFIC GENERATION, THEY TELL YOU WHAT TRAFFIC GENERATION IS SPEAK, SPEAK TO CAN.
WE, WE'LL ALSO, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, I, IN, IN TERMS OF THAT, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU THINK THE TRA TRAFFIC IN AND OUT IS.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GREATER OR LESS AT THIS POINT.
AND ANY, ANY INFORMATION CAN, CAN BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS.
AND WE SOLVE ONE PROBLEM WITH THE DELIVERIES UP OUR HILL AND THE LEAVE HER ON, LEAVE HER GALLERIES.
ONE OTHER COMMENT AND THAT'S IT.
UH, THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DISCUSSED IN WORK SESSION ARE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION.
THERE'S A STONE WALL, CORRECT.
SEPARATING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR VEGETATION, UH, WITHIN THAT AREA.
YOU SAID IT'S PRETTY TIGHT AND ROCKY ON OUR PROPERTY? YES.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOLID FENCING ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE? I, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE FALLS.
AND MAYBE ON THEIR PROPERTY EVEN THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TIMES THAT, THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE WORKED, WE'VE HAD DEVELOPERS WORK WITH A NEIGHBOR.
AND DO, DO, DO THINGS LIKE PUT TREES ON, ON NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE, BUT J JUST LET'S SEE IF WE CAN WORK THIS WHOLE THING OUT.
AND I, I THINK, UH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT SOLID WALL.
THAT SOLID WALL DOESN'T DO ANYTHING IF YOU ARE A UPHILL.
SO, SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A WASTAGE OF UH, UH, WHOLE, WHOLE ACTIVITY IS NOT THAT'S WHY, WHY, WHY? IT IS IF, IF YOU ARE DOWN, IF IF YOU ARE ON A DOWNSIDE THEN IT WILL HELP, BUT CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY, WHY, UM, AARON WAS SUGGESTING THE FENCE TO HELP WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ADJOURN IT TILL, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT? YES, PLEASE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TILL APRIL 17TH.
BEHAVE CARMEN, WE HAVE A SECOND.
I WON'T TALK TO YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA ANYMORE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY.
IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE JUST HAVE RESPECT FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S SPEAKING.
AND THIS STENOGRAPHER SHOULD ONLY TAKE ONE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
OKAY, SO, UM, WE'RE GOING BACK, OH, LET ME JUST SAY WE'RE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION IN ABOUT FIVE, FIVE MINUTES.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION BEFORE YOU GO OFF TO THE THEIR, YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO TONIGHT, SESSION FOR TONIGHT.
IT'S IN RELATION TO A RECENTLY PASSED, UH, SOLAR ENERGY
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SYSTEM.IT'S BASICALLY TO MAKE OVER SIMPLY STATED, IT'S SIMPLY TO MAKE THE MAP THE TOWN MAP EQUIVALENT WITH WHAT WE PUT IN THE BOOK.
BUT MAKE SURE THAT THE MAP IS ACCURATE.
SO I'M GOING TO JACK, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WALK.
WE ONLY HAD THAT PROBLEM ONCE.
I'LL WALK THE BOARD THROUGH IT BRIEFLY.
COULD YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE? CORRECT.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED CASE NUMBER TB 24 0 5, IT IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TIED TO THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM, LOCAL LAW THAT THIS BOARD POSITIVELY RECOMMENDED TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT IT ADOPTS.
AND ULTIMATELY IT DID ADOPT AT ITS LAST MEETING FROM MARCH 27TH, I BELIEVE LAST WEDNESDAY.
UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THAT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, TIER FOUR SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS REQUIRE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE FACILITIES, UM, TO APPLY A SOLAR OVERLAY ZONE TO, TO THOSE SITES IN CONNECTION WITH THE TIER FOUR FACILITIES, WHICH ARE, ARE LARGER SCALE FACILITIES, ALSO SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS SOLAR FARMS. OKAY.
THEY'RE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS OF THE TOWN ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE OVER FOUR ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, WHAT THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT INVOLVES SPECIFICALLY AND SIMPLY IS UPDATING THE ZONING MAP, THE LEGEND OF THE ZONING MAP.
IT DOESN'T APPLY THE SOLAR OVERLAY ZONE TO ANY PARCEL WITHIN UNINCORPORATED TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IT SIMPLY UPDATES TWO LOCATIONS ON THE ZONING MAP THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
I'VE, UH, MARKED UP THE LEGENDS TO IDENTIFY THE TWO LOCATIONS AND I'LL ZOOM IN ON THOSE.
I COULDN'T READ THIS THING THAT I GOT BY THE WAY.
IT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S, UH, AN 11 BY 17.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT REALLY ANYTHING WITHIN THE MAP ITSELF.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LEGEND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AARON, LET ME ASK YOU, HOLD ON.
SO THE LEGEND, WOULD IT INCLUDE REFERENCE TO THE SOLAR DISTRICT OVERLAY? OKAY.
UM, AS SHOWN, IF YOU CAN SEE IT EITHER UP ABOVE, I'LL ZOOM INTO IT CLOSER TODAY.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THIS CORRECT.
BUT WITH THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM, LOCAL LAW THAT WOULD PERMIT THE SOLAR DISTRICT OVERLAY, WE WOULD INCLUDE IT IN THE LEGEND WITH A CROSSHATCH OPPOSITE OF OUR CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY.
IT WOULD, IT'S ALSO PROPOSED TO BE COLORIZED AND GREEN SO THAT IT'S EASILY IDENTIFI FILED.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS MAP WITH THE GREEN SLASH SOLAR DISTRICT OVERLAY.
THERE IS NOT, NOT ONE OF OUR, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS THIS LITTLE BOX THAT IS THAT THERE'S ONE THERE.
DID ANY WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD COLORIZE IT AND GO AGAINST THE CROSSHATCH OF THE CD BECAUSE THE SOLAR OVERLAY COULD BE APPLIED TO A SITE THAT ALSO HAS THE CD OVERLAY.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COULD EASILY BE DIFFERENTIATED.
ARE WE, ARE WE VOTING IDENTIFIABLE ON SOMETHING HERE? WE WILL ON A RECORD.
ARE WE VOTING ON THE COLOR AND THE SLANT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? WELL, IF SOMEONE DISAGREED OR THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER OPTION, THIS IS THE OPTION WE FOCUS.
ACTUALLY HOW WE'RE DOING IS, IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BACK.
WHY DON'T YOU FINISH? SO THAT'S THE FIRST LOCATION.
IF WE SCROLL DOWN UNDER THE LISTED ZONING DISTRICTS, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WE HAVE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE THE CD OR CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY.
WE WOULD BE ADDING THE SD OR SOLAR DISTRICT OVERLAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHANGES BEING CONTEMPLATED THIS EVENING.
CAN I ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? YOU ABSOLUTELY MAY.
SO AS LAW WAS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD, YOU COULD PUT A SOLAR FARM ANYWHERE IN THE TOWN, IN ANY DISTRICT.
SO LONG AS THAT HAS AT LEAST FOUR ACRES.
YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU COULD APPLY IF YOU MET THAT CRITERIA.
BUT YOU COULD NOT JUST SIMPLY APPLY
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TO EITHER ONE OF THE BOARDS FOR THE SYSTEM ITSELF BEFORE THAT.THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE OVERLAY ON THAT PARCEL THROUGH A VERY RIGOROUS PROCESS AND A HIGHLY DISCRETIONARY PROCESS WITH THE TOWN BOARD THAT TAKES NUMEROUS FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO APPLY THE OVERLAY TO THAT SITE TO CONSIDER THE CIVIL CAN.
SO I'M NOT DONE YOU, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M NOT DONE.
UM, IT ANSWERS MY FIRST QUESTION.
SO IF THIS MAP IS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD WITH THE SOLAR DISTRICT OVERLAY, YES.
NOTHING IS GONNA BE OVERLAYING OVERLAID UNLESS SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR AN OVERLAY AND GOES THROUGH THE RIGOROUS PROCESS.
AND THAT'S A ONE BY ONE BASIS.
AND THEN SLOWLY IF THESE ARE APPROVED, YOU GET LITTLE GREEN SLASHES HERE AND LITTLE GREEN SLASHES.
NOW WHAT DOES IT MEAN OVERLAY, IT'S A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT ON TOP OF THE EXISTING ZONING.
WE DECIDED TO GO THE ROUTE OF AN OVERLAY RATHER THAN A FLOATING ZONE.
SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE FLOATING ZONES.
WE DECIDED THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS IF YOU OVERLAY IT, THE UNDERLYING ZONING REMAINS A DOZEN.
SO SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CERTAIN LIFETIME, TYPICALLY AROUND 25 YEARS.
THAT SOLAR, UM, FARM OR LARGE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM, IT ITS ORIGINAL ZONING.
IT CAN REVERT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL ZONE.
SO WHAT HAVE WE BEING ASKED POINT TO DO HERE AT THE, JUST TO TWO THINGS, MAP TWO, ONE TO RECOMMEND BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD EITHER POSITIVELY, HOPEFULLY OR NEGATIVELY ON THESE TWO MINOR CHANGES TO THE MAP.
AND THEN IN CONNECTION WITH ANY ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, THERE'S ALSO A REPORT SIMILAR TO ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS WHERE WE DO THE REPORT, UM, BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ANYTIME WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING BACK TO THE ON THE ZONE REPORT, WHICH IS THE SAME FINDING ON A ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE.
NOW THE ONLY QUESTION, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS THE OVER OVERLAY CAN BE IN ANY DISTRICT, RIGHT? IT CAN.
SO IT COULD BE IF THERE WERE FOUR ACRES, THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, IT COULD BE THERE.
POTENTIALLY NOT THAT IT IS CORRECT.
COULD YOUR QUESTION QUICKLY SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
SO WHAT WE ARE REALLY, UH, TRYING TO DO IS TO MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT BY THE STATE TO HELP IN LEGENDS.
SO WE ARE GIVING A THAT OPTION KIND OF LEGAL COVER TO THE TOWN THAT, THAT YOU HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS.
DID THERE BEEN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE HAVE BEEN COURT CASES WHERE WHERE IT SAYS THE MAP HAS TO MATCH THE CODE.
SO THE SECOND QUESTION, IF THAT'S ONLY FOR, UH, CATEGORY FOUR, WHICH IS LIKE TIER FOUR.
SO, UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER TIERS? SO THE OTHER TIERS AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE SOLAR OVERLAY ZONE.
UH, TIER ONE AS AN EXAMPLE IS JUST A PERMIT.
YEAH, IT'S JUST A PERMIT WHICH ARE ALREADY PERMITTED.
A PERMIT, BUT NOW IT'S JUST A BUILDING PERMIT.
TIER TWO ARE GROUND MOUNT RESIDENTIAL.
SO, AND THEN TIER THREE ARE COMMERCIAL GROUND MELT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT, SO THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO WHAT, TWO AND THREE AGAIN? SO, UH, TIER THREE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF, UH, ONE OF OUR SHOPPING CENTERS WANTED TO DO, THEY'RE DOING IT YEAH, THE CANOPIES IN THE PARKING LOT, THEY CAN DO UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND THEN IF THEY EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD, THEY WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL PERMIT SITE PLAN REVIEW BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO, SO THIS, THIS IS, YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION.
SO IT'S ONLY, UH, THE PROCESS THAT, UH, REQUIRE IS, IS BASICALLY TIER FOUR, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE CAPACITY RELATED TO TIER FOUR? UH, I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LARGE, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE LARGE, COULD DO IT ON FOUR ACRES.
AND YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU MAX IT OUT, 'CAUSE IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DO THE SETUP, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S ALSO BUFFERS AND SCREENING.
AND ALL KINDS OF REQUIREMENTS.
A LOT OF THINGS COMES INTO EFFECT.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SMALL, IF YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A LARGER FOUR.
WE'RE TALKING MEGA, NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A RESIDENTIAL ROUND TWO, THREE MEGA, WHAT'S A LIMIT THAT IT GETS INTO THAT TIER 20 MEGA? SO WE DON'T, SO WE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE DOING IT BY THE PROPERTY.
WHAT'S HOW MUCH MEGAWATT, WHAT'S A TIER 40 IS WHAT? 2020 MEGAWATT? NO, IT CAN BE LESS THAN THAT.
RIGHT? AND THEN AS THE TECHNOLOGY IS UPGRADED OVER TIME, IT MAY END UP BECOMING GREATER.
IT'S GOTTEN MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.
SO IF I MAY, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE SAME TEAM.
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DIFFERENT.WE DID NOT DO IT BY THE SIZE OF THE SYSTEM.
WE DID IT BY THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
SO WE WERE MAKING DISTINCTIONS THAT WAY A PERSON CAN HAVE FOUR ACRES.
ONE, DO A SOLAR FARM, BUT MAYBE NOT MAX IT OUT.
SO WE DIDN'T PUT ANY, UM, HOW CAN I SAY? WE DIDN'T SAY THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OR A, A MAXIMUM.
RIGHT? SO MY QUESTION, RIGHT, LIKE A MINIMUM X MEGAWATT GENERATION.
SO MY QUESTION IS THAT, SO THEN YOU CAN HAVE 80 MEGAWATT AND IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT GO INTO ANY OF THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT.
NOW IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO FIT, FIT ON THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? OH, YOU COULD HAVE, YOU'RE SAYING, UM, I COULD HAVE 80, IS IT SO PUT IN AN 80 WATT MEGAWATT FACILITY THAT DOESN'T TRIP THE TIER FOUR? NO, IT'S A IF SURE.
NO, IT'S SO SOLAR DISTRICT OVERLAP, MEANING IT'S ONLY SOLAR PANELS.
SO IT'S A, UH, GENERATING THE SOLAR POWER OR SOLAR, RIGHT.
THINGS NOT, NOT TO, THAT GOES BACK INTO THE GRID.
SO IT GOES BACK TO THE GRID, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IT'S, SO WHENEVER, SO I THINK ANSWER TO, FOR OFFITE CONSUMPTION, YEAH.
SO IT'S A SOLAR DISTRICT ONLY RELATES TO THE SOLAR PANELS, RIGHT? THE BATTERY STORAGE IS A SEPARATE SEPARATE RIGHT.
BUT IT'S JUST A, SO, SO IT'S A, UH, WHAT THEY CALL, UH, PV, RIGHT? OR WHAT IS IT VOL, RIGHT? NOT, NOT, NOT ANY OTHER TYPE OF ENERGY PRODUCING.
YOU MEAN LIKE THERMAL? NO, LIKE WE HAD A OH, OH, LIKE THE FUEL CELL? YEAH.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S SOLAR ONLY.
SO THAT IS ALLOWED, THE, THE POWER, THE, THE CELL, THE FUEL CELL, FUEL CELL ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COVERED UNDER.
HOW DO WE DO THAT THOUGH? THAT WAS UNDER, THAT WAS A SITE PLAN ISSUE.
THAT'S HOW WE THAT WAS A SITE PLAN.
DID IT? THEY'RE NOT
AND THAT IS WHAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE OVERLAY.
ONE OF THEM DISTRICT THE OVERLAY ZONE.
WAS THE GAS IT WAS FOR, SO, SO ITS VERY NARROW, SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC.
NOT THE FUEL CELL COULD BE DIFFERENT.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CORRECT.
TO, ANY QUESTIONS FROM, FROM YOU ON YOUR END? NOPE, NOT FROM ME.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO, UH, DO GIVE THIS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION? SO MOVE, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTE.
UM, AARON, DOES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LIKE THIS, UM, COLORED GREEN STRIPING? WE DO AMEND.
IS THIS, IS THIS YOUR BABY? THIS IS OUR, THIS IS NOT MY BABY PERSONALLY, BUT IT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S.
I WANNA KNOW IF IT'S KELLY GREEN, BRITISH RACING GREEN.
CAN WE HAVE A VOTE PLEASE? IT'S ACTUALLY KELLY GREEN AND IT WAS MY DECISION THAT ANYTHING THAT THE SEC DOES IS PRESENTED IN GREEN, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I AGREE WITH IT, BUT I LIKE IT.
A DARKER GREEN FOR, OR ENOUGH ENOUGH.
CAN WE HAVE A VOTE PLEASE, TOM? HANK LESLIE, I SECOND.
CAN WE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR? YOU DID.
GETTING A LITTLE PUNCHY HERE THIS AFTERNOON EXCEPT FOR THE CODE.
AND, UH, CAN WE ALSO, UH, CAN WE, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO PRODUCE A, A REPORT CONSISTENT WITH THE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION? THE MOVE? CAN I HAVE A SECOND? BUT WHY DID YOU INCLUDE THIS COLOR? SECOND? COME ON, CORRECT.
ALL IN FAVOR? WE ALL WANT TO GO HOME.
ALL OPPOSED? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY, WE'VE GOT LAST BUT NOT LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS DONE.
AND WE DO HAVE THIS ISLE HERE.
THIS IS JUST AN INITIAL CONFERENCE, GUYS.
THIS IS A, A PRE A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE, RIGHT? UH, WHAT WE CALL AN INITIAL CONFERENCE UNDER THE CODE.
ALSO REFERRED TO SOMETIMES OR PREVIOUSLY AS PRE-SUBMISSION.
BUT, UH, TECHNICALLY AN INITIAL CONFERENCE CHANGE THE CHANGE, CHANGE THE WORDS ON ME GUYS.
WE ACTUALLY, I, WE WERE JUST BEING ACCURATE, CLARIFIED THAT POINT WHEN I WAS, UH, WITH AN APPLICANT BEFORE YOUR BOARD A LONG TIME AGO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN THROUGH THIS? YEAH, GO RUN THROUGH IT.
PB 24 0 6 DONDERO 17 MORTON PLACE PO WHITE PLAINS, NEW YORK.
UH, AN INITIAL CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL FUTURE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION TO SUBDIVIDE TWO EXISTING TAX LOTS INTO TWO BUILDING LOTS.
ONE OF THE EXISTING TAX LOTS AS MR.
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CCHI WILL WALK US THROUGH.CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, WHICH WOULD BE PROPOSED TO REMAIN A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WOULD BE PROPOSED ON THE SECOND BUILDING LOG.
THE APPLICANT'S PREPARED TWO OPTIONS FOR THE POTENTIAL FUTURE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, WHICH WILL BE REVIEWED THIS EVENING.
OPTION A WOULD CREATE TWO BUILDING LOTS, LOT A HAVING AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 48,250 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD CONTAIN THE EXISTING RESIDENCE.
AGAIN, THIS IS IN AN R 20 DISTRICT, UM, AND LOT B, HAVING AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 64,232 SQUARE FEET PROPOSED TO BE IMPROVED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN THIS LAYOUT.
THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE PROPOSED HOME WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE EXISTING HOME AND AN EASEMENT WOULD BE PLACED OVER THE DRIVEWAY.
MR. KOLE WILL WALK US THROUGH THIS IN MORE DETAIL.
OPTION B WOULD CREATE TWO BUILDING LOTS, LOT A HAVING AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 60,862 SQUARE FEET AND WHICH WOULD CONTAIN THE EXISTING RESIDENCE.
AND EE HAVING AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 51,620 SQUARE FEET PROPOSED TO BE IMPROVED WITH A NEW ONE FAMILY DWELLING IN THIS LAYOUT.
THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE PROPOSED HOME WOULD CONNECT TO AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY SERVICING 20 MORETON PLACE AND REQUIRE AN EASEMENT.
IT IS LIKELY IN EITHER OPTION THAT VARIANCES WOULD BE REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBDIVISION TREE REMOVALS ARE ANTICIPATED, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW HOME AND RELATED DRIVEWAY.
AND, UH, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE IS A WATERCOURSE WAR WETLAND AREA ON OR NEAR THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE CONFIRMED AS PART OF ANY FORMAL APPLICATION SUBMITTAL.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. POL.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE WETLAND, UM, WATERCOURSE MAY BE? YES.
OH, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO GREG.
WE WILL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
UH, I'LL, UH, MR. CHER FULLY RUN THROUGH IT AND THEN I CAN, UH, SHOW WHERE THE POTENTIAL WATERCOURSE IS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, HANGING TIGHT FOR ME.
UH, SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, UH, ON IS, UH, THIS PROPERTY HERE, WE GOT TWO TAX LOTS.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING TAX LOT WITH, UH, THE EXISTING HOME ON IT.
UM, ASSUMING THAT WE LIMIT OR MAYBE, UH, MITIGATE ANY WETLAND DISTURBANCE, UH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE OUR GOAL.
UH, SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND OF PENDING.
I GUESS MATT'S FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY, I, I DIDN'T IDENTIFY ANY YET.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF THE PROCESS IS, UH, HIRING A SPECIALIST TO GO OUT THERE AND FLAG, UH, ANYTHING THAT MAY, THAT HE MAY NEED.
UM, SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE FORMAL, UH, PART OF FORMAL SUBMISSION.
UM, THIS IS OPTION A HERE AS, UH, AARON EXPLAINED, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE, UH, THE PROPOSED EASEMENT OVER THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
SO IT WOULD BE AN EASEMENT WITH THE, UH, EXISTING OWNER.
AND, UH, THEIR DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY STOPS HERE AT THIS LINE.
UH, SO THE EXTENSION WOULD CONTINUE FROM THIS LOCATION, UH, COME TOWARDS THE REAR AND THEN THERE'D BE A HOME PLACED SOMEWHERE IN THIS VICINITY.
UH, THIS IS THE PREFERRED OPTION FOR THE OWNER.
UH, THEY WOULD UTILIZE THE POOL FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED LOT, UM, IN THIS OPTION.
AND, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
HOWEVER, THE, THE VARIANCE THAT, THAT I SEE WE WOULD BE SEEKING IS FOR, UH, WIDTH AT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY A FLAG LOT.
SO WE ONLY HAVE, UH, 20 PEOPLE HERE, SO WE WOULD BE SEEKING THAT, THAT VARIANCE.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION, OH, I'M SORRY.
WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO SEWER HERE.
THERE'S A, A SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG ALONG THE, THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.
UH, WE HAVE ACCESS TO WATER AND ONE IN PLACE, UH, AND, UH, ELECTRIC AS WELL.
SO UTILITIES AREN'T A PROBLEM.
IS, UH, QUICK QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO TO OPTION BII TAKE IT THAT THAT POOL CURRENTLY EXISTS? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO IN OPTION, OKAY, UH, AARON, ISN'T
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THAT BA LIKE A FLAG LAUNCH IS A FLAG LOT.UM, AND IS THAT LOUD UNDER THE CORD? IT IS.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE VIEWED AS A FLAG LOTT.
UM, THEY ARE SHOWING DOUBLE THE MINIMUM UNDERLYING, UH, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
SO, UH, AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TOWN, CAN YOU RUN, CAN YOU RUN TWO A, IS THE OTHER ONE A FLAG ROUTE TOO, TOO, OR NO, THEY, THEY HAVE THE, UM, THE EXISTING LOT.
WOULDN'T THAT BE A FLAG LOT TWO OR NO, THE EXISTING LOT HAS THE FRONTAGE.
SO IS THAT A TOWN ROAD? IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, MORTON PLACE IS A TOWN ROAD.
SO IT'S ONLY, IT'S A ONE HOUSE FLAG LOCK.
IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTORS OFFICE.
I THINK WE SHOULD, BEFORE WE, WE, WELL, AS PART OF ANY FORMAL, THIS PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE, SORRY, AMANDA, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL KNOW.
YEAH, SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE, FIVE LOTS, UH, CURRENTLY HERE.
SO WE WOULD BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL, UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THAT WAS OPTION A THAT I HAD ALREADY DESCRIBED.
OPTION B IS, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE POOL, REMOVE THE EXISTING POOL.
UH, THE LOT WOULD, WOULD BE FRONTING ON THIS PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, WHICH WE WOULD'VE TO, UH, ENACT, UH, AN EASEMENT WITH, UH, THE EXISTING OWNER.
THIS PROPERTY LESS, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT THE, THE OPTION THAT, THAT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH BECAUSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON EVEN, UM, HAVING THAT EASEMENT.
SO IT'S KIND OF LESS LIKELY, BUT IT IS A CONFIGURATION THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO IT THAT I WANT TO, UM, ON OPTION B POOL, WHY CAN'T YOU MOVE THAT HOUSE CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND KEEP THE POOL? UM, LET THIS CLOSE? YEAH, THEY CAN SHARE THE, UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
I, I BELIEVE THE, YEAH, I, I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS A SHAME TO WRECK THE POOL AND, AND, AND THE POOL HANG.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PREFER OPTION A.
WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH OPTION B? UH, I GUESS THERE'S MORE PARTIES INVOLVED.
UH, WE WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT UTILIZING THE DRIVEWAY AS AN EASEMENT.
BUT LET, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY YOU COULD SOLVE THE EASEMENT PROBLEM.
AND LET'S SAY YOU CAN MOVE THE HOUSE FURTHER DOWN THE MAP SO YOU CAN KEEP THE POOL.
OPTION B GIVES YOU A NICE STRAIGHT PROPERTY LINE, A BIG BACKYARD FOR BOTH OF THE HOUSES.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH OPTION B? IF YOU COULD SOLVE THE EASEMENT PROBLEM? I DON'T THINK THERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
I THINK IT WAS JUST REALLY PREFERENCE FOR THE OWNER.
UH, YEAH, I THINK IN THE BACK IT'S MUCH MORE PRIVATE, ISOLATED.
MAYBE THAT'S, THAT WAS HER REASONING BEHIND IT.
BUT, UH, I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY THE OWNER, THE THE OWNER WANTS TO MOVE INTO THE NEW HOUSE.
THAT'S, I SEE THE OWNER WANTS TO MOVE INTO THE NEW HOUSE BECAUSE, BECAUSE OPTION B, THE OTHER ADVANTAGE IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHARE A DRIVEWAY.
THEY'RE SHARING A BIT DRIVE WITH A LOT MORE PEOPLE.
ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY TO SHARE, THAT'S A DRIVE, ISN'T THAT A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY? THE OTHER SIDE? THAT'S A DRIVEWAY.
YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH A LOT MORE PEOPLE AND THEY'D HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH THOSE TWO, THE TWO HOUSES ACROSS, ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S TWO HOMES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT EASEMENT DOWN THERE.
THAT'S A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY THEY'D HAVE TO SHARE WITH.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IF IT WAS A STREET, BUT NOT WITH THOSE TWO.
QUICK, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SAY? UH, NO.
WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IS THAT THIS SWIMMING POOL THAT YOU WANT TO SAVE, IT'S HOW OLD IT IS.
AND IT MAY BE A TIME THAT, UH, UH, IT HAS HAS ITS USEFUL LIFE.
SO HAVING A SWIMMING POOL THE WAY IT WAS, IF IT'S MORE THAN 30 YEARS OLD, THEN IT'S PROBABLY NEEDS, NEEDS A COMPLETELY REDONE FOR, FOR THE REASON OF, UH, OTHER STUFF.
SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S A REALLY A CRITICAL ISSUE FOR EVEN THE OWNER TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL REDONE, MAYBE CONNECTED CLOSER TO THE HOUSE AND,
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AND MORE USEFUL WITH THE, WITH THE SWIMMING POOL.UH, SO YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT IT TO, AND EXPLAIN TO THE CLIENT THAT IT'S, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A
IT GIVES HIM MORE PRIVACY AND GIVES HIM A, UH, NOT THE EXISTING OWNER.
I MEAN THE, THE NEW GUYS WHO'S GONNA BUY, HE HAS TO SELECT THAT, UH, WHETHER HE WANTS TO GO THROUGH THE TWO HOUSES OR YOUR JUST ONE HOUSE.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A, HE HAS TO PASS THROUGH SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY ANYWAY.
BUT ONE, ONE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE ONE VERSUS TWO IS YOU'VE GOT FOUR PARTIES.
BUT ANYWAY, THREE PARTIES ACROSS THE STREET, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND THIS AND THIS ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONE PART WITH A, YOU ONLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ONE PARTY, WHICH YOU ARE ACTUALLY NOBODY.
'CAUSE YOU ALREADY OWN, OWN THE LAND.
IT'S A MATTER OF JUST DEVELOPING IT.
THE OTHER HAND, YOU'VE GOT THREE OUTSIDE PARTIES YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
BUT WHAT'S MICHAEL MICHAEL'S POINT IS IF HE WANTS TO MOVE INTO THE NEW HOUSE, THEN, THEN IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT EVEN THAT, UH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE TOPOGRAPHY, BUT IT MAY BE NOT HAVE AS MUCH OF, UH RIGHT.
MY MY THOUGHT ON THIS IS YOU, YOU'RE TAKING WHAT IS A VERY LARGE LOT OF LAND.
IF YOU TAKE OPTION B AND STICK IN THE HOUSES MUCH TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THAT.
UH, WHICH IS WHY I LIKE A BETTER, I MEAN, IF I, IF I WAS GONNA BUY, IF I HAD AN OPTION THERE AND WAS GONNA BUY A HOUSE, IT WOULD BE A, BECAUSE, AND IF I WAS THE DEVELOPER, I'D WANT TO DO A, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THREE OTHER PEOPLE TRYING, TRYING TO NEGOTIATE AN EASEMENT.
BUT AGAIN, I WENT FROM THE, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WITH THE NEW HOUSE.
UH, THE OPTION OPTION B HAS A LESS OF A, BUT IT'S NOT A ADDING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COMPARED TO THE WHATSAPP BECAUSE IT IS A, IT'S A LONG DRIVEWAY VERSUS A SHORT DRIVEWAY.
SO, SO FAR FOR, FOR, FOR CONSERVATIONS AND RUN OF PURPOSES, THE OPTION B OR THE BLUE HOUSE, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S BETTER.
WELL, HE'S, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE STAFF REPORT, SO HE DOESN'T KNOW.
UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY DIFFERENCE IF THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO CONSIDER A PERVIOUS SURFACE FOR THE DRIVEWAY, PAVERS, DRIVEWAY? UH, YEAH, I MEAN, BUT IF YOU WE'RE JUST GIVING FEEDBACK TO THE YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY DRIVE.
I'D LIKE TO, AND, AND IN A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY, THEN HE HAS A CHOICE OF DOING IMPERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS.
I'D LIKE TO JUST GO AROUND AND TO GIVE, TO GIVE THIS GENTLEMAN SOME DIRECTION.
TOM, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? UM, I, TWO THOUGHTS.
IF I WERE BUILDING THE HOUSE MYSELF, I WOULD PREFER A, BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE ISOLATED, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT CRAMMED BETWEEN A BUNCH OUT IN HOUSES.
UM, UM, BUT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF B ONE BECAUSE I, I KNOW WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE THESE LOT LINES THAT ARE, UM, DISCONTINUOUS.
AND TWO, IN LOOKING AT THE AERIAL VIEW, UM, THE AREA AT THE TOP OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN IS HEAVILY WOODED.
WHEREAS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE HOUSE NOT IS WHERE THE POOL IS, IS MUCH MORE OPEN.
SO YOU'RE TAKING DOWN LESS TREES, ALSO LESS IN SERVICE.
WOULD I WANT TO LIVE THERE? I'D PROBABLY RATHER BE POOL.
NOT IF YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD, VISIT THE POOL.
BUT IF YOU MOVE IT FORWARD, RIGHT, MOVING INTO HARD STILL, YOU MOVE IT FORWARD.
LESLIE, I'M SORRY, I WAS ASKING IF I HEARD SOMETHING CORRECTLY AND OPTION A, DID YOU USE THE WORD SHARE THE POOL AND I JUST MIGHT HAVE.
I THOUGHT I SHARED DRIVEWAY, NOT POOL.
WHICH WAY ARE YOU LEANING THOUGH? A OR B? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, A, BUT I DO MENTALLY, I, I LIKE TO SEE STUFF SQUARE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT TOM SAID.
AND I'M ALSO ON, ON THE B YOU HAVE ALL OF IT, THE BACK.
SO THE LOT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE YELLOW LINE.
IT'D BE A NARROW BUT DEEP LOT.
AISHA, I MEAN, AND ALSO WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND JUST, THEY KEEP THE POOL ON THE EXISTING LOT, SO THEY KEEP IT SWAY, YOU
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KNOW, IF THE JOB IS REALLY BOTHERING YOU.NO, I, I MEAN THE OWNER PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE IT, BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER IF IT WAS SWAYING OR GREG, DO YOU KNOW POSSIBLE, DO YOU KNOW THE AGE OF THE POOL? IS IT, UH, STRUCK, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT IN REASONABLE CONDITION? THE POOL IS A WORKING CONDITION.
THAT'S WHAT THE OWNER ACTUALLY WANTS TO, WANTS IT FOR THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION.
BUT I WANTED YOU TO, HOW OLD IS IT? I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY IN TERMS OF MY PREFERENCE FOR, UH, SHAPE OF THE LOT, IT REALLY HAD MORE TO DO WITH RESALE.
AND I THINK IN THE FUTURE HAVING THE TWO LOTS SEPARATE, LIKE THAT IS PROBABLY MORE APPEALING.
SO YOU'RE A B? UH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE B SIDE? YES.
I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO MAKE IT.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US, YOU KNOW, REGARDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WE DON'T, THE QUESTION DO REGULAR LOT LINES, AND I THINK IF YOU WENT WITH A, THEY'D HAVE TO BE DEFINED, NOT NECESSARILY WITH A FENCE, BUT WITH, YOU KNOW, LINES OF VEGETATION TO GIVE A ROUGH IDEA OF WHOSE PROPERTY IS WHO.
UM, THE ONLY THING I REALLY DON'T LIKE ABOUT A IS THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY, AS TOM POINTED OUT.
IF HE COULD DO THAT, MAYBE TURN THE HOUSE AROUND, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREES COUNTER CLOCKWISE, BRING THAT DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE HOUSE MUCH MORE QUICKLY.
BUT I COULD SEE THE ATTRACTION OF A AND I GUESS, UM, I WOULDN'T OPPOSE IT.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE OVER THE TWO OR, YES.
OR IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
BUT DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PREFERENCE THERE, OR B? NO.
I, I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF A VERSUS B.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY I'M LOOKING AT THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND A HAS MUCH LESS IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN B DOES BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING THAT HOUSE CLOSE TO THOSE OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY.
OKAY? NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE ALSO MOVING THAT HOUSE MUCH CLOSER TO THE, UH, TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, THE ONLY, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I TRIED TO SEE IF WE COULD SHORTEN THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I THINK, AND FROM AN IMPACT POINT, AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU MOVE THE HOUSE FORWARD, LIKE MICHAEL SUGGESTED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE DOWN A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES.
'CAUSE THAT ISN'T CLEARED WHERE THE POOL IS, IS CLEARED.
BUT IF YOU MOVE THE HOUSE TOO FAR FORWARD, YOU TAKE DOWN TREES ANYWAY.
SO I, I LIKE TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE NOW HAVE A TREE VIEW.
TO SOME EXTENT, YOU MOVE THAT HOUSE FORWARD, MY GUESS IS ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA DO IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE DOWN ALL THOSE TREES IN THE FRONT OF A LOT OF THEM.
SO THEY HAVE A, AN ENTRANCE TO THE YARD.
AND YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE, REALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, OR SEE NOW, THAT'S WHY I'D TAKE A, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT JUST, YEAH, CHRIS, GO AHEAD QUICKLY.
AND THEN TOM, I THINK I, I DID NOT, UH, SPECIFY THE REASON AS TOM SAID, BUT KEEPING, UH, THE OPTION A IS, IS DEFINITELY REQUIRES A LOT MORE CUTTING DOWN TREES VERSUS OPTION B, WHICH IS A ALREADY A BUILT UP POOL AND OTHER AREAS.
SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY IMPACTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AS MUCH.
AND WITH A SHORT DRIVEWAY, YOU WON'T BE ABLE, YOU DON'T NEED TO CUT THE TREES.
SO, UH, SO I, I THINK JUST KEEPING THE, UH, MORE TREES AND NOT HAVE TO REALLY GO INTO THAT BACK AREA IS A BIG ATTRACTION.
WELL, I THINK SOMEONE'S GONNA WANT TO BACK YARD, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
YEAH, THAT'S, THERE'S YARD SPACE.
THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THESE INITIAL CONFERENCES, IF THE APPLICANT OR ITS REPRESENTATIVE WAS TO TAKE AWAY SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO VEGETATION, IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, DESIRES TO PRESERVE AS MUCH, RIGHT? SURE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, AND IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A FULL ON APPLICATION, THEY'RE GONNA EVALUATE THE SPECIES OF THE TREES.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THESE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DECK, THE CONDITION, THE BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, THE CLEARANCE FOR YARD SPACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE EVALUATED.
BUT TOM, YOU'RE, BUT THE FEEDBACK IS, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FREE REMOVALS AND TOM, TOM YOU HAVE DO NOT HAVE TO VOTE ANYTHING, RIGHT? NO.
YOU JUST GIVING TOM, TOM HAD ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMMENT.
SO A, AFTER HEARING ALL OF WHAT WAS SAID, I AGREE.
I WOULDN'T OPPOSE A, I WOULD SUGGEST EVEN FLIPPING THE GARAGE TO THE OTHER SIDE SO YOU HAVE A SHORTER DRIVEWAY DOOR, AS MICHAEL SAID, TURNING THE HOUSE.
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UM, AND I THINK FROM A A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT, I HAD TO CONSIDER THAT, BUT HAVING THE HOUSES SO MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER I THINK WOULD BE A MUCH A MORE DISRUPTIVE, UH, EFFECT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND HAVING ANYONE, UH, MORE ISOLATED, I, I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE TREES AND THAT'S SOMETHING I LOOK, WE, WE SHOULD TAKE A, I I THINK, TOM, TO YOUR POINT AND TO, TO KURT'S POINT, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD LOOK AT, YOU NEED TO, TO, TO FLESH OUT BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO, SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS OF, OF THEM ARE.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING WE, WE COULD DO.
I WOULD CONSIDER THE SUGGESTION THAT MICHAEL MADE AND TOM JUST SECONDED.
MM-HMM,
SO ON LOT, UH, ENDING IN 13, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER TO THE REAR HAS ENCROACHMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY WHERE POSSIBLY, I MEAN, GIS SOMETIMES IS A LITTLE OFF, BUT WHERE HERE, THE, THIS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM YOU MEAN? YEAH, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
SO WE WOULD SEE A SURVEY, JUST CONFIRM IT.
AND, AND THE WATERCOURSE, RIGHT? THE WATERCOURSE IS, IS DOWN BELOW.
SO ACTUALLY IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF ADJACENT TO THIS ENCROACHMENT.
SO IT'S, UH, MR DID I SHARE MY SCREEN? THIS I'VE SHOWED THE BOARD, BUT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THANK YOU.
SO THIS HOUSE IS SLIGHTLY CLOSER, WOULD BE SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE BUFFER THAN, THAN THIS HOUSE WOULD BE.
THE, THE SIDE YARD WOULD BE IN THE BUFFER OR WHATEVER, BACKYARD, WHATEVER THAT YEAH.
AND, UH, YEAH, THE, SO DOES THE WATERCOURSE HERE UNDER, AND IT, UH, TRAVERSES UNDER WHITEWOOD ROAD AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO DAYLIGHT HERE, UH, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY AND MAY ENTER INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT WOULD'VE TO BE EXPLORED AS PART OF ANY FORM APPLICATION.
WHAT IS LEADING WATERCOURSE AREA? OKAY.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE ENCROACHMENTS THAT MAN'S TALKING ABOUT, CORRECT? YES.
GREG, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? NO, I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE SUGGESTION.
I WOULD MAKE ONE SUGGESTION WHEN, WHEN YOU COME BACK EVENTUALLY GIVE US AN ESTIMATE HOW MANY TREES WILL HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN WITH EACH OPTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S A CONCERN OF THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO PICK THE OPTION WITH THE LEAST TREES TO BE CUT DOWN, BUT I THINK THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GET A SENSE OF YEP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, SHOWING UP TONIGHT.
AND TOM, THANK YOU FOR NOT BREATHING THE WEATHER TONIGHT.
OH, THE WEATHER'S BAD DOWN THERE TOO, RIGHT? AREN'T YOU HAVING BAD WEATHER IN FLORIDA? NO,