[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, April 17, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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OKAY.IF I COULD HAVE EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, IF, IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO SOMEONE ELSE, APPRECIATE JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE TO TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
WELCOME TO THE APRIL 17TH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? HERE.
OUR ULTIMATE MS. SPARKS HERE AND NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING ARE MR. SIMON, MS. DAVIS AND MR. GOLDMAN.
SO, MS. SPARKS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
FULL VOTING MEMBER, OR FULL VOTING? VOTING MEMBER
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW SHE HAD A BOAT.
UM, I WANT TO JUST MAKE A, AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT, UH, THE BROADCAST TONIGHT.
UM, IT, INSTEAD OF BEING, IT NORMALLY IS ON, UH, CHANNEL 76, UH, TONIGHT.
IT'S ON CABLE VISION 75, AND ON VERIZON FIOS 35.
AND OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS WATCH IT ON THE TOWN, TOWN, STREAM IT ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR ON ZOOM.
SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE ON THAT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY THAT HAPPENED TONIGHT, BUT NOW IT'S THE STORY.
UH, ANY, UH, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.
UM, ANOTHER TERRIFIC JOB BY MATT.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRINTED.
OPPOSED? THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM TONIGHT.
UM, THE FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS, UH, PB 2314 PATINO.
WE DO HAVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, AND THAT IS, UH, FOR THE, I GOTTA GET THIS RIGHT.
THIS IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION.
IT IS THEIR NINTH, WHICH I THINK MAY BE A RECORD, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, IF MR. ANDERSON IS ON ZOOM, I WOULD APPRECIATE JUST HIM EXPLAINING WHAT THE SITUATION IS AND WHY WE NEED THIS.
UH, WE BASICALLY, AT THE LAST STEP, UH, I SENT IT OVER TO THE FIRE CHIEF OF FAIRVIEW, UH, TO GET HIS OPINION BECAUSE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, A RECONFIGURATION AND, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD ISSUES ON THE HYDRANT.
AND, UH, YEAH, I WANTED MAKE SURE THAT THE VERY LAST HOUSE IS, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE LOOP COMES AROUND NOW AND DOES THE EXTENSION DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AGREES WITH THAT.
SO I SENT IT OVER TO, UM, UM, CHIEF REESE.
SO I'M JUST WAITING TO HEAR, ONCE I GET THAT, WE'LL GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
STEVE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAUSED THIS LEADER DELAY? THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD? OKAY.
SO INITIALLY IT'S A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A LONG, WELL, I SHOULD SAY SHOULDN'T SAY.
IT STARTED OUT AS A LONG EXTENSION OF A WATER MAIN, UH, WHICH WENT FROM AN EXISTING CI SIX INCH WATER TO AN EIGHT INCH WATER.
SO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, THERE, THERE WOULD BE A BLOW OFF AT THE END OF THE EXTENSION, BUT YOU'RE SUBJECT TO, BECAUSE YOU, IT WAS GOING DOWNHILL ALSO, YOU'D BE SUBJECT TO, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE ACTUAL WATER QUALITY.
SO IT'S ALWAYS, UH, IT IS A BETTER WAY TO LOOP IT AROUND, UH, TO ACTUALLY LOOP A LINE RATHER THAN JUST EXTEND IT OFF AN EXISTING LINE, BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE LINE CLEANER AND EVERYTHING, AND, AND IT KEEPS THE PRESSURES GOOD TOO.
SO, UH, THE LAST TIME AROUND WHEN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT STARTED QUESTIONING IT, AND THEN WE HAD NEW ENGINEER, NEW DEPARTMENT OF WATER PERSONNEL.
SO, UH, WE UPDATED IT FOR THE NEW, NEW INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE IN CHARGE OF IT.
AND IT'S LIKE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I REALIZED THEY'RE BETTER SET AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE AFTER HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE HYDRANT, SO, UH, THAT THAT'S WHAT'S THE CAUSE IN ON THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? BUT YOU THINK THIS WILL BE THE LAST ONE, OR, YEAH, AS SOON AS I GET WORD FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I'M SENDING A PACKAGE IN TO EVERYBODY.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A SOLUTION TO THAT.
AND I THINK WE'VE BENT OVER BACKWARDS ON THIS.
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AND I THINK, STEVE, IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHIN THE PERIOD OF TIME, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? YEAH, LET'S, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REAPPLY.THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
SO, JUST SO I I, I WOULD SAY THAT WE, WE PUT IT INTO IT THAT IF THEY DO NOT, UH, COMES BACK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION, THEN WE WILL, UH, JUST TO KIND OF TELL THEM THAT IT BE A, IT'LL BE A NEW APPLICATIONS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS ANOTHER 180 DAYS, UH, RETROACTIVE TO APRIL 5TH, FIFTH, 2024.
SO IT'S RETROACTIVE TO APRIL 5TH, 2024.
COULD I HAVE THAT MOTION WITH THE PROVISO THAT CORRECT.
MADE, UH, THAT THIS IS THE FINAL EXTENSION AND NO FURTHER EXTENSIONS WILL BE GRANTED.
STEVE, YOU CAN GIVE ME A CALL TOMORROW.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET CHIEF REESE ON THE LINE.
THERE WERE A COUPLE, UH, LETTERS THAT WERE WORKING ON, BUT SINCE THE, THE, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT A FULL HOUSE TONIGHT.
WE'LL JUST, UH, MOVE THOSE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE, WE WON'T DISCUSS THEM TONIGHT.
UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.
UH, PB 2314, WHICH IS PATINO AT OLD TOWN ROAD.
IT WAS FOR PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I KNOW I JUST WANT TO, AS WE START THIS, I REMEMBER CORT WAS HAVING SOME QUESTIONS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WOULD COME DOWN.
AND I, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ANSWER FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT, RIGHT? SO I DID SPEAK WITH THE ARBORISTS THAT REVIEWED THE SITE AND CONDUCTED THE ASSESSMENT.
UM, THE TREES OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE THAT THEY'VE SHOWN TO BE REMOVED ARE ONLY INVASIVE SPECIES THAT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME TREES OUTSIDE THE LIMITS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
SO WE DID CONFIRM THAT, UM, THE ATLANTIS TREES ALSO KNOWN AS TREE OF HEAVEN.
THEY ACTUALLY HARBOR UH, NOW THEY'RE ONE OF THE HOST TREES FOR THE, UM, LANTERN SPOTTED LANTERN FLY, THE SPOTTED LANTERN FLY.
SO THESE ARBORISTS ACTUALLY WERE PROACTIVE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED THOSE ON THE SITE AND THEY WANT THOSE TAKEN OUT.
HOW MANY OF THEM? UM, THERE ARE FOUR, I WANT TO SAY.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE OAK TREE ON THE EDGE THERE, WHERE THEY WERE SHOWING A TREE COMING OUT AND ONE GOING RIGHT BACK INTO THE SAME LOCATION, UH, WHAT THEY DID FOR US IS THEY IDENTIFIED ACTUALLY THE EXTENT OF THE TREE CANOPY, WHICH EXTENDS WELL INTO THE AREA OF WHERE THEY'RE GONNA CUT.
AND THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH THE ROOT SYSTEM 'CAUSE THEY, TYPICAL, THE ROOT SYSTEM TYPICALLY EXTENDS BEYOND THE DRIP LINE OF THE TREES.
THAT IT, THE TREES WOULD BE IMPACTED TO THE POINT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LEAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A POTENTIAL FUTURE RISK.
UM, HOWEVER, THEY DID RELOCATE A COUPLE OF THE NEW TREES.
SO RATHER THAN PUTTING IT RIGHT BACK WHERE THE OTHER ONE WAS, THEY SET IT FURTHER BACK, UM, UP INTO THE OPEN AREA ADJACENT.
AND WHAT SORT OF RATIO THEY GET? LIKE, UH, UH, THE 85, 80 5%.
IS THAT WHAT THE, WHAT THE SIZE OF THE TREE AND THEN, SO IF IT IS JUST A 1, 2, 1 OR IT'S A NO.
SO THE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT ON A VACANT SITE TO BE DEVELOPED IS ACTUALLY AT MID MATURITY.
THE TREES THAT YOU'RE PLANTING HAVE TO ACHIEVE AT LEAST 30% OF, UM, THE TREES THAT YOU'RE TAKING DOWN AT MID MATURITY.
THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WORKED ON EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL WHEN WE ADOPTED THE NEW LAW, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM A WOODED AREA TO A SITE THAT NOW HAS A HOME AND A DRIVEWAY.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH ROOM, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE KEEPING THE TREES AROUND THE PERIPHERY, WHICH THEY ARE DOING IN THIS CASE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEYOND ACHIEVING THAT.
UM, WE DID ASK ABOUT PLANTING ANY ADDITIONAL OAKS, AND INITIALLY THE ARBORIST SAID, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THAT IDEA.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF PLANTING LARGER MATURE TREES.
SHE THEN WENT BACK TO REVIEW THIS SITE AND IDENTIFIED THAT A LOT OF THE SMALLER TREES AND TREES THAT THEY ARE SAVING ARE OAKS AND LARGER STATURE GROWING TREES.
SO THEY WANTED TO MIX IN AND HAVE SOME UNDERSTORY TREES PLANTED AS WELL, SO THAT IT WOULD BE A TIERED KIND OF LANDSCAPE EFFECT IN CONNECTION WITH THE APPLICATION.
THEY DO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR NATIVE PLANTING, DIVERSITY STANDARDS AND, AND SPECIES SELECTION.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE, WE DID SEEK AROUND THIS BEFORE.
SO THIS, THIS PROJECT QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO.
DO WE NEED TO, TO VOTE ON? YES.
CAN I HAVE A VOTE TO DECLARE THIS? A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SPEAKER, PLEASE.
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YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS BY NOW.ALL IN FAVOR THAT MR. AYE? AYE.
OKAY, I'LL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? SO MOVED.
AND COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVED.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO SKIP OVER, UH, CASE PB 2326 FOR THE MOMENT.
UM, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT LATER TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING NOW, UH, STARTING WITH THE, UH, HYUNDAI THING, WHICH IS GOOD 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE HERE NOW.
GET YOU, GET YOU OUTTA HERE, HOPEFULLY FAIRLY EARLY.
SO, UH, GIVE US A COUPLE MINUTES TO GO UP THERE AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING MIC, PLEASE.
TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? SURE.
MS. SPARKS HERE, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SIMON, MR. GOLDEN, AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT PRESENT.
MS. SPARKS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE FIRST CASE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE THE LAST TIME, I'D JUST LIKE TO GO OVER THE GROUND RULES AGAIN.
OURS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TOWN, TOWN BOARD'S, GROUND RULES.
WE DO NOT HAVE A TIMER AS YOU CAN SEE.
UM, HOWEVER, WHAT THAT REQUIRES IS THE ASSISTANCE IF EVERYBODY WHO SPEAKS.
AND BY THAT, WHAT I WANNA SAY IS JUST STAY ON POINT.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS MADE YOUR POINT, POINT, YOU CAN STILL GET UP THERE.
SHOULD GET UP THERE AND SAY, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY SAID WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL OF IT.
THIS IS A BUSINESS, UH, PROPOSITION.
I KNOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THIS AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT JUST, UH, LET'S FOCUS ON THE FACTS AND, AND WE'LL GET EVERYBODY THROUGH THIS TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY.
SO I WANT TO GET EVERYBODY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE PEOPLE ON ZOOM, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LARGE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, SO I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO, TO, UH, SPEAK THEIR PIECE TONIGHT.
THIS IS CASE PB 2322, TACA HYUNDAI AT FOUR 50 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
IT'S REC SITE PLAN APPROVAL, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT PLAN, AND A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IT'S A CONTINUATION OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING FROM TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, AND I SEE THE APPLICANT'S HERE.
DO YOU HAVE SOME OPENING RE MARKS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? PLEASE NOW WHO YOU ARE? AND THEN, THEN I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS HELEN MOOCH WITH THE LAW FIRM OF MINSTER MOOCH.
WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, TOSCA AUTOMOTIVE GROUP.
UH, WITH ME THIS EVENING IS PATRICK MONER FROM TOSCA SEATED, SEATED HERE, AND ADAM BERG FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING.
ON ZOOM, WE HAVE WALT SHEPHERD, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR TOSCA, AND MY COLLEAGUE AT MR. MA, MATTHEW BARNETT.
UH, SO I JUST WANNA START BY SAYING AGAIN THAT TOSCA IS A FAMILY AND THEY RUN A FAMILY COMPANY.
THEY HAVE BEEN RUNNING THIS COMPANY FOR OVER 70 YEARS.
THE COMPANY'S FOUNDER INSTILLED PRINCIPLES OF HONESTY AND INTEGRITY, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF BUILDING TRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES AND WITH THE FAMILIES THAT TOSCA SERVES.
AND THEY SERVE COMMUNITIES IN MANY DIFFERENT STATES, INCLUDING NOW THE STATE OF NEW YORK
THIS CONCEPT OF HONESTY AND INTEGRITY AND TRUSTWORTHINESS MIGHT SEEM UNBELIEVABLE TO SOME IN THIS DAY AND AGE, BUT I THINK THAT THE EVOLUTION OF THIS APPLICATION SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT WHO THE
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TOAS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE, ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND ARE GOOD CITIZENS.THEY REALLY ARE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
UH, I WANT TO ASSURE THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC THAT TOSCA HAS LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING AND HAS RESPONDED TO THOSE CONCERNS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY COMMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS FOUR ITEMS BEFORE I PASS OFF THE PRESENTATION TO ADAM.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ISSUES RELATING TO THE NATURE CENTER, UH, ISSUES RAISED BY EDGEMONT APARTMENTS, TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
UH, SINCE THE LAST HEARING, TOSCA HAS ENGAGED WITH THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER AND WITH EDGEMONT APARTMENTS, STARTING WITH THE NATURE CENTER, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR GREATEST CONCERN IS NOISE AND MAINTAINING THE PEACEFULNESS OF THE MEADOW THAT'S 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
TOSA'S OPERATION DOES NOT UTILIZE LOUD EQUIPMENT.
THEY USE HAND TOOLS, THEY USE COMPUTERS FOR DIAGNOSTICS AND VEHICLE LIFTS ON OCCASION.
THEY DO USE AIR TOOLS ALL WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING AND A BUILDING THAT, UH, WILL HAVE INSULATION IN THE ROOFING MATERIALS AND IN THE MASONRY CONCRETE THAT WILL ABSORB NOISE.
THE DOORS ARE NOT KEPT OPEN, AND THERE ARE THREE DOORS THAT FACE THE NATURE CENTER.
WE HAVE EXPLAINED IN OUR SUBMISSION WHAT THESE DOORS ARE USED FOR.
THESE ARE NOT, UH, THESE ARE NOT OPEN.
THEY ARE DOORS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, A DOOR FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, AND A DOOR FOR PARTS DELIVERY.
AND THERE'S ABOUT, THERE'S ONE PARTS DELIVERY PER DAY AS REQUESTED BY THE NATURE CENTER.
UM, WE, WE'VE EXPLAINED WHAT THESE OPENINGS ARE FOR, AND IN ADDITION, TOSCA HAS COMMITTED TO REPLACING THE FENCE THAT IS BETWEEN THE NATURE CENTER AND FOUR 50 CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT FENCE WILL ALSO DAMPEN NOISE TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS ANY FROM THE PROPERTY.
THAT FENCE WILL ALSO SERVE TO CONTAIN WILDLIFE, KEEP IT ON THE NATURE CENTER PROPERTY WHERE THEY WANT IT, AND WE DON'T.
SO IT WILL SERVE DUAL PURPOSES.
SECONDLY, EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CO-OP'S GREATEST CONCERN IS PRESERVING ACCESS TO CHIL SCHOOL CHILDREN TO WALK ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
IN RESPONSE, TOSCA MODIFIED THE SITE PLAN TO ENSURE CONTINUED ACCESS.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN, THE CO-OP HAS ALSO ASKED FOR THE PATH TO BE, UH, EXTENDED, WHICH, WHICH WE THINK IS ALREADY SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
ADDITIONAL NATIVE TREASON SHRUBS, A DA COMPLIANCE FENCING ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE PATH.
UH, POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL FENCING OFFSITE ON THE NATURE CENTER PROPERTY AND A RECORDED EASEMENT.
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN INITIAL DISCUSSIONS REGARDING A PRIVATE EASEMENT WITH THE CO-OP BOARD REPRESENTATIVES.
TOSCA IS WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE EACH OF THE OTHER REQUESTS AS WELL, BUT NOTES THAT IMPROVEMENTS OFF OF THE FOUR 50 PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IN SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, WE ALSO HEARD THE REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SCREENING ALONG THE FENCING FROM THE CORNER OF THE CO-OP'S PARKING LOT EAST TOWARD THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
TOSCA IS REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM YOUR BOARD FROM THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPING BUFFER ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND IS AMENABLE TO ADDING A NOTE TO ITS LANDSCAPING PLAN TO INCLUDE PRIVACY MATERIAL TO THE EXISTING FENCE IN THIS AREA.
THIRD, TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THIS WAS RAISED BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
IN RESPONSE, TOSCA ENGAGED A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THE PROJECT WOULD GENERATE.
COLLIER'S ENGINEERING DETERMINED BASED UPON ESTABLISHED TRIP GENERATION RATES THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS NEARLY HALF THAT OF THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER USE.
THEREFORE, COLLIERS CONCLUDED THE PROJECT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO ADVERSELY IMPACT THE ROADWAY CONDITIONS AND MAY IN FACT IMPROVE IT.
UH, WE, WE, UH, HAVE SEVERAL TIMES ADDRESSED THE CONCERN REGARDING
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STACKED PARKING, AND SPECIFICALLY THE COMMENT THAT THERE ARE STACKED CARS AT THE HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP AT ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE.THE REASON THAT TOSCA IS MAKING THIS INVESTMENT IN GREENBURG AND MOVING TO FOUR 50 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE IS BECAUSE THE LOT AT ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE IS TOO SMALL.
THE FORMER CONDITIONS AT ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE ARE NOT A REFLECTION OF HOW THIS PROPERTY WILL LOOK.
AND IN ANY EVENT, THE ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE LOT HAS BEEN CLEARED OF ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.
AND THAT IS UP ON THE, THE MONITOR NOW.
UM, SO IF TIME PERMITS, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TIME TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO RESPOND TO, UH, AFTER ADAM GIVES HIS PRESENTATION AND YOU HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, I THINK I'LL PASS IT OVER TO ADAM TO JUST WALK YOU THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, SINCE, SINCE WE HEARD FURTHER COMMENTS FROM, UH, EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
UM, SO CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES.
ADAM BERG FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING SURVEYING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PC.
UM, SO SINCE WE WERE LAST BEFORE THE, THE BOARD, UM, AS HELEN MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE ADDED THE SIDEWALK THAT WAS REQUESTED.
UM, HELEN CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE, THE, THE EASEMENT AND THE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE A PART OF THAT, BUT I CAN SHOW YOU PHYSICALLY WHAT THAT'LL MEAN ON THE SITE.
WE'VE GOT A CONNECTION THAT GOES TO THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.
UH, THEN WE'VE ALSO, UH, TAKEN ONE PARKING SPACE TO MAKE A CONNECTION.
THERE'S SOME CHALLENGING GRADING FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE, UH, THE EDGE OF THE, THE PAVEMENT HERE.
SO WE'RE TAKING A PARKING SPACE IN ORDER TO EXTEND THAT WALKWAY AND MAKE THE CONNECTION TO THE BIGGER PORTION OF THE WALKWAY THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH ACROSS, ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY LINE HERE THAT WILL BRING, UH, STUDENTS, UH, FROM THE EDGEMONT PROPERTY ACROSS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE, THE LAWN AREA AT THE VERY BACK OF THE SITE AND BRING YOU TO THE SOUTHERN END, UH, OUT TOWARD, UH, DROR ROAD.
UH, THAT WAS THE, UH, THE, THE MAJOR CHANGE, UH, THAT YOU SAW SINCE OUR LAST, UH, SUBMISSION.
AND, UH, THE ONLY OTHER MATERIAL CHANGE WAS THAT WE, WE SHIFTED A FEW OF THE, UH, EV CHARGING STATIONS, PUT THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM, UH, EXISTING TREES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESERVE.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THE PLAN, UH, REMAINS MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS WHAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? UH, I HAVE ONE, UH, COMMENT AND REQUEST IS THAT THE NEW WALKWAY, UH, THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING FOR THE KIDS TO PASS THROUGH.
CAN YOU MAKE IT, UH, WITH A, UH, PERMEABLE PAPER SO YOU DON'T HAVE A ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE? I KNOW YOU ARE, YOU ARE QUITE UNDER IT, BUT THAT WILL BE A KIND OF A GOOD, CONSIDERING THAT YOU ARE NEXT TO THE NATURE CENTER AND YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, UH, ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT PLEASE, TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T CHANGE IN PERMEABLE IMP PERMEABLE SURFACE IN OUR, IN OUR CODE.
IT'S, WE NEED TO UPDATE, BUT NO, IN REALITY IT DOES, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE TECHNICALLY IN OUR CODE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN A CASE LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S ONLY FOOT TRAFFIC AND NOT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, UM, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO.
YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND THERE IS A MAINTENANCE ELEMENT TO IT, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE LOOKING TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.
SO WE ALSO HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS WITH, WITH, WITH MAKING ACCESSIBLE.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY TOO, BECAUSE YOU, YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA FENCE IT, SO YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY.
RIGHT? THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, I, I THINK WHAT ADAM WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE AADA.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPERVIOUS, UH, NEIGHBORS CAN GET IT WORKS WITH THAT.
I, I THINK, UH, THAT THAT'S THE WRONG MEETING TOO.
THEY, THEY, THEY DO IT ALL OVER.
SO, BUT THEN MY QUESTION FOLLOW UP TO THAT, HOW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A FENCE AND WHAT THE HUE HAS ALSO GOING TO ACCESS THE, UH, BACK OF THE WALKWAY? UH, I DON'T, WHEN YOU SAY THE BACK, DO YOU, ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW IS, HOW IS THE PROPERTY
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OWNER GOING TO GET THROUGH THE FENCE? YES.AND MAINTAIN THE REAR LANDSCAPE.
SO MAINTENANCE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO, UH, WORK WITH EDGEMONT APARTMENTS ON AS TO WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT.
WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS STILL, YOU STILL CORRECT, YOU STILL HAVE PROPERTY BEHIND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.
THERE'S VEGETATION IN THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU HAD THE FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND, IT WAS ALL THE WAY ACROSS, IT WAS SOLID.
IT WOULD BE RATHER CIRCUITOUS ROUTE TO GET THERE.
HOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON ACCESSING THAT? THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
WE CAN GET PUT IN A GATE IF, IF WE THINK WE NEED ACCESS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
CHRIS, THAT IT, YEAH, JUST TO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE COULD PUT IN A DOUBLE GATE SO WE CAN GET IN.
AND THAT WOULD BE LOCKED EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT WAS OKAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WORKING WITH EDGEMONT APARTMENTS TO DETERMINE WHO WILL BE MAINTAINING THE WALKWAY.
I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT'S WAS SNOW REMOVAL AND THE LIKE.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, YOU GUYS, I APPRECIATE, UH, HOW, UH, LOYAL YOU ARE TO THIS COUNTRY AND LIKE TO FLY AMERICAN FLAGS IN THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, CURRENT PROPERTY.
UM, DO YOU PLAN ON DOING THE SAME THING AND WOULD IT BE IN THE SAME LOCATION? WHAT, WHAT PROPERTY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE CURRENT HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP.
FLIES AMERICAN FLAGS ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
WHICH IS, IT'S FINE, BUT THE QUESTION I, I WOULD HAVE TO PLAN ON DOING A SIMILAR THING THERE.
AND WOULD IT BE IN A SIMILAR LOCATION, LIKE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN LIKE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE? IT'S NOT ON THE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION TO ADD TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO IT WON'T BE, WE CAN CONDITION THERE WON'T BE THEN, RIGHT? YES.
WELL, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK, WE'LL TALK TO THE FAMILY, BUT ASK THE FAMILY.
THE FAMILY HAS NOT, HAS NOT ASKED US TO, TO, TO PUT A FLAGPOLE OR OKAY.
THEY'RE NOT VERY HIGH VERT RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THERE? NO.
UM, I THINK WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC.
CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? OKAY.
UM, WE'LL START WITH THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE.
UH, MY NAME IS ALEXANDER JEFFERY.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF GOLDENBERG AND SELKER, AND WE REPRESENT, UH, EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
UM, I DID, WE HAVE HAD, UH, CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND SHE IS ACCURATE THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE, THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, EARLIER OR TWO DAYS AGO, WE SUBMITTED A LETTER, UM, IF I HAVE EXTRA COPIES IF YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT, BUT WE, WE, WE ALL RECEIVED IT.
SO OUR REQUEST BASICALLY IS THAT THE, UM, THE FOUR ITEMS THAT WE, UH, DELINEATE THERE BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE, UH, ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE APPLICANT'S, UM, APRIL 10TH LETTER.
UM, THAT THOSE, THOSE, UH, ISSUES THAT THEY RAISED IN THE, IN THE LETTER, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE, UH, VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT THE PUBLIC RAISED, UM, AND THAT EDGEMONT RAISED, UM, BE SPECIFICALLY INCORPORATED INTO, UH, THE SITE PLAN.
SO, SO IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PLAN HAVE TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT OR HAVE ALREADY.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE EASEMENT, SO THAT'S A PRIVATE EASEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES? CORRECT.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY SAY IN DICTATING THE TERMS OF THE EASEMENT.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I DON'T KNOW, AND IF I MISSED IT, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, IN THE PRESENTATION WITH REGARD TO THE DIAGRAM THAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS TO, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, UH, IT'S DEPICTED IN, IN THE, IN THE DIAGRAM.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM IS THAT THERE BE A FENCE ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE BACK PARKING LOT.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE WOULD BE IN THE SITE PLAN.
EXCEPT FOR IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY PORTION.
WELL, TO AS LONG AS IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY.
FOR INSTANCE, IT SEEMS TO US, WE LOOKED AT IT EARLIER TONIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE NATURE THAT THE KIDS ACTUALLY CROSS THE NATURE CENTER'S PROPERTY.
THE NATURE CENTER WANTS TO PUT UP A FENCE THERE AND THE, AND BLOCK THEIR ACCESS.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
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NOT PART OF THIS.IF IT, THE ONLY ISSUE IS IF, IF THAT, UM, WAS TO BE, UM, ADDRESSED BY THE NATURE CENTER AND BE AND REQUESTED AS PART OF THE CENTER WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS.
BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, IS IT WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE, WITH THE APARTMENTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO US.
AND SO ARE YOU, BUT WE WANT, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HAPPY NEIGHBORS.
HOWEVER, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT WE CAN DO.
A LOT OF IT HAS TO BE DONE BETWEEN PARTIES.
IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE NATURE CENTER AND GET THEM TO AGREE TO NOT CLOSE THAT AND GET SOME KIND OF EASEMENT ACROSS THAT, TO TO, TO LEGALIZE THAT AS WELL AS WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE NATURE CENTER AND THE TOWN, THE TOWN OWNS THE PROPERTY.
RIGHT? THE TOWN OWNS THE PROPERTY.
SO, SO I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, I, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN HA HAPPY TO LET YOU DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MONT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE LETTER.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE LEFT? DO WE HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET? OKAY.
SHOULD WE DO A SIGN IN CHECK? WE DID CERTAIN AREAS.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING UP TO SPEAK.
RAISE, RAISE YOUR HANDS AGAIN.
WHO, WHO ELSE NEEDS TO SPEAK? WHAT? HEY, GO.
I SEE ONE, TWO AND MURRAY RIGHT ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN WE'LL GET TO YOUR SIDE.
UM, LOOKING AT THE PLANS, UH, RELEASED ON THE 10TH, UH, THE A DA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME STEEP SLOPE THERE.
SO YOU SOLVE THAT WILL BE, I'M SORRY, INTERESTING PART OF THE SITE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE ACCESS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER WHERE WE'RE TALKING? YOU MEAN FOR THE PATH? YEAH, THE SCHOOL PATH.
UH, BUT I'M, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT THE WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THIS SITE.
IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD EXPAND ON THAT? 'CAUSE THE DRAWINGS AND INFORMATION DON'T TALK MUCH ABOUT THE STORM WATER.
UH, YOU MENTIONED IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, WHICH THERE'S ACTUALLY LESS, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT, BUT WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT ANSWER THE QUESTION, GONE THROUGH THAT, BUT THEY DID NOT THIS EVENING, BUT WE'LL HAVE THEM REVISIT LOOKING FORWARD.
MURRAY, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK AT THE END? MY ISSUES ARE DIFFERENT.
MURRAY, NEXT, BACK ON THE SIDE.
UH, I LIVE IN THE EDGE MINE 3 72.
UM, MY, MY CONCERN IS WITH THE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT, UH, I ADMIRE THE TOCA FAMILY FOR THEIR FAMILY VALUES, BEING A FATHER OF FOUR AND THE GRANDFATHER SEVEN.
IT'S NICE THAT WE HAVE THE FAMILY VALUES, BUT WE DIDN'T GET ANY NUMBERS.
UH, HOW MANY CARS DOES TOSCA SERVICE A DAY? THAT'LL BE GOING IN AND OUT.
WE DIDN'T GET THAT KIND OF NUMBER.
UH, HOW MANY CUSTOMERS COME IN AND OUT OF THAT DEALERSHIP EVERY DAY? WE DIDN'T GET THAT KIND OF NUMBER.
UH, THE CAR TRANSPORTERS THAT TRANSPORT, THE CARS THAT CARRY 15, 20 CARS ON THEM, WHERE WILL THEY BE STOPPING? WHERE WILL THEY BE PARKING TO UNLOAD THESE, UH, VEHICLES? WILL THEY BE STOPPING ON CENTRAL AVENUE? UH, WILL TOSCA HAVE A PLACE ON THE PROPERTY FOR THEM IF THEY STOP ON CENTRAL AVENUE? IT BECOMES A ONE LANE, A ONE LANE PATHWAY FOR THE CARS INSTEAD OF TWO, WHICH WILL CAUSE A MESS.
UH, THE MORNING LINE, I, I, I MYSELF HAVE MY CAR SERVICED AND I'M ALWAYS EARLY IN THE MORNING AND NOT A, UNFORTUNATELY NOT A HYUNDAI, BUT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THERE EARLY, THERE'S A LINE, IF THERE'S SEVEN CARS, IT, IT SPEWS OUT INTO THE STREET.
I'VE SEEN IT ON CENTRAL AVENUE WHEN IF PEOPLE ARE THERE BEFORE THE GARAGE DOOR OPENS TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN.
IF YOUR FIRST APPOINTMENT'S AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND PEOPLE START GETTING THERE AT SEVEN 30 A LINE FORMS IS THE LINE GONNA FORM ONTO CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND JUST THROUGH THE 10 MONTHS OF THE SCHOOL BUSES THAT COME THROUGH THE, THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE EDGEMONT, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE, UH, THREE RESIDENTIAL COMPLEXES THERE OF CO-OPS.
THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOL KIDS, AND THEN THE AM AND THEN THE THREE O'CLOCK AROUND THAT ZONE.
A LOT OF SCHOOL BUSES COMING IN AND OUT THERE.
SO, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE TRAFFIC OF TOSCA.
I'M GONNA ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AND I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ANSWERS TO THE TRAFFIC QUESTIONS IN DETAIL.
AND BY THE WAY, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY HAS BEEN CORROBORATED BY OUR OWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TOO.
SO THEY'LL GET TO THAT AND EXPLAIN WHERE THEY'RE, AND I THINK THEY HAVE SPECIFIC ANSWERS TO ALL, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.
WELL, YEAH, I KNOW, I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY HAD A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND MORE THAN THAT, THEY ACTUALLY GAVE US CASH.
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THE VOLUME IS GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUTTA OUTTA THAT COMPLEX THAT IS GOING IN NOW.AND IT'S HARD TO, HARD TO RELATE TO THAT.
WELL, THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE I DRIVE BY THERE EVERY DAY FOR NINE YEARS, THE PROB THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, JUST UNDERSTAND THIS, OKAY? AND I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER, IS THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS IT'S A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE ONLY THING LEFT OPEN THERE IS, UH, CENTRAL PARK DANCE, WHICH WAS FILLED WHEN I WENT BY TONIGHT, BY THE WAY, THE FRONT OF THE PARKING LOT WAS FILLED.
AND I THINK THE YOGA STUDIO, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS OUT OF THERE NOW.
SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A FULL SHOPPING CENTER.
YOU, WE CAN'T CONSIDER A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER VERSUS UNDERSTOOD A THRIVING BUSINESS.
THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO ANYBODY.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD THAT LOT IN THE BACK EMPTY PRETTY MUCH FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE IT'S, THAT SHOPPING CENTER HASN'T BEEN FILLED IN 15 YEARS MAYBE SINCE CREATIVE PLAY THINGS LEFT, SCHOLASTIC MOVED OUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE DID.
SO IT'S, IT IT'S A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THE CAR CARRIER, I CAN ALSO ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
THEY ARE NOT GONNA USE CAR CAR CARRIERS.
THAT'S A CONDITION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN AGREED TO.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE, UH, DRIVING THE CARS UP FROM THEIR, THEIR, UH, FEEDER LOTS, WHICH ARE EITHER IN YELLOW, SO NO TRANSPORTERS WILL BE STOPPING ON THE NO, NO, WE WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, A LOT OF US DRIVE IN THAT CENTRAL, THAT SAME AREA WHEN WE SEE THOSE THINGS IN MM-HMM.
AND THE OTHER, I PROMISE AT THE END I WON'T, THE APPLICANT WON'T ANSWER, ANSWER ALL YOUR THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE LEFT? YES SIR.
HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? UH, MY NAME'S IRA WESSLER.
UH, ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT'S, WE HAVE THREE 70 AND 3 72.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS, I MEAN, WE'VE REALLY HAD THE GOOD LIFE, THE EDGE MOUNT, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN VERY PEACEFUL FOR US.
WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF CARS IN THE BACK.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE FRONT, BUT THE BACK I THINK IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT IN OUR BUILDING.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NOISE.
WE HEAR THE BIRDS, THE NATURE CENTER BACK THERE.
IT'S A VERY PEACEFUL AREA NOW THAT THE CAR DEALERSHIP'S GOING, PLEASE SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
NOW THAT THE CAR DEALERSHIP'S GOING THERE.
UM, IT'S VERY CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT ALONG THAT FENCE LINE.
BECAUSE NOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE OUT WHEN THEY LOOK OUT THE WINDOW ARE LOTS OF PARKED CARS.
AND ALTHOUGH YOU SHOWED THIS PICTURE OF YOUR EXISTING PROPERTY WITHOUT MANY CARS STACKED, THAT IS NOT A REAL PICTURE BECAUSE I'VE GONE TO THAT DEALERSHIP AND I GO PAST THERE REGULARLY AND THERE ARE ALWAYS CARS STACKED.
YOU CAN BARELY GET THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT, EVEN IF YOU'RE A CUSTOMER.
SO THAT PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU SHOWED IS NOT A REALISTIC REPRE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE.
I AM SURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA STACK CARS IN EVERY SINGLE SPOT IS GONNA BE FULL.
ALSO, UM, WHAT'S CONCERNING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN BUILDING 3 72 IS THE NOISE LEVEL.
UM, WHEN YOU TAKE TIRES OFF OF A CAR, WHICH IS ALMOST EVERY CAR THAT'S GONNA GO IN THERE, THEY'RE GONNA USE PNEUMATIC TOOLS.
THEY'RE AIR TOOLS AND THEY MAKE LOUD NOISES.
IF YOU, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE SAYING THAT YOU GUARANTEE THAT YOUR GARAGE DOOR IS GONNA BE CLOSED ALL THE TIME SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BUILDING AND HAVE THEIR WINDOWS OPEN, EXCUSE ME, AREN'T GONNA HEAR THOSE NOISES.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS WE DON'T KNOW, WAS THERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THOUGH? THERE WAS NO NEED, NO NEED FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY HERE.
SO THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, WHICH IS REQUIRED UNDER THE SITE PLAN, RIGHT.
BUT THERE WAS NO NEED FOR AN IMPACT.
DO YOU WANT, ADDITIONALLY IT'S REVIEWED AND EVALUATED WHEN THEY CHANGE THE ZONING CODE AND THEY CONSIDER THE USE FOR CHANGING THE ZONING CODE.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE ALREADY IN THIS ERA WHERE WE HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES WITH BATTERIES AND HYBRID VEHICLES AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF LIKE, UH, COOPERATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CATCHES ON FIRE AND YOU HAVE THEM STACKED NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND NOW YOU HAVE FOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON FIRE AND THAT IS GOING IN THE AIR AND YOU HAVE RESIDENTS RIGHT THERE, IS THERE SOME KIND OF EVACUATION, UH, PLAN INVOLVED TO GET THOSE RESIDENTS OUT THERE SO THEY'RE NOT BREATHING, BREATHING IN THOSE TOXIC FUMES? I MEAN, THAT'S A REALISTIC THING THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEIR CARS IN BECAUSE THERE'S TROUBLES WITH THE VEHICLES.
SO ONE THING COULD LEAD TO ANOTHER, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, IS SCARSDALE DENSE MOVING COMPLETELY? YEAH.
CENTRAL PARK DANCE, AS FAR AS I KNOW IT, THEY'RE A VERY THRIVING BUSINESS.
I WENT BY THERE TONIGHT, IT WAS PACKED.
BUT ARE THEY, THEY ARE MOVING SOMEWHERE ELSE? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S SO THEY ARE MOVING.
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UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK.UM, I JUST, I'M A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING TOO, WHEN THEY DISCUSS THAT I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM VIA, YOU KNOW, OUR ATTORNEYS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS, UH, AND THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF AGREED UPON PATH.
I JUST AM CONCERNED AS A SHAREHOLDER OF THE BUILDING OR OUR LIABILITY FOR THAT PATH, ARE WE GONNA BE LIABLE FOR THAT PATH? ARE THEY GONNA BE LIABLE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS IS, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO WORK OUT OUT THE EASEMENT WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
NOT, NOT WITH THE, THE TOWN WE DON'T GET, THE TOWN IS NOT GET INVOLVED.
THOSE, BUT I WANNA KNOW IF THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF EVACUATION PLAN IN CASE THERE'S SOME KIND OF TOXIC FIRE LIKE THAT.
ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING RIGHT THERE.
WE MAY HAVE TO EVACUATE ALL OF EDGEMONT WITH ALL THE TESLAS RUNNING AROUND EDGEMONT.
SO THEY'RE IN YOUR PARKING LOT TOO.
BUT WHEN YOU, LIKE I SAID, WHEN YOU START STACKING THEM AND YOU'RE BRINGING VEHICLES IN THAT ARE HAVE ISSUES.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE A
YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING TO THINK ABOUT.
NOT JUST FOR THIS, BUT MORE OF A GLOBAL ISSUE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THESE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CHARGING, YOU HAVE CHARGING STATIONS.
WE HAVE A COMMITTEE IN THIS TOWN, WHICH, UH, MR. HAYES IS A MEMBER OF OKAY.
TRYING TO LOOK AT WHERE, HOW TO MANAGE CHARGE CHARGING STATIONS.
AND WE ALREADY OBVIOUSLY HAVE WORKED ON BATTERY STORAGE FOR THAT EXACT REASON AND WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT ANYTIME WE GIVE A PERMIT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND I'M NOT SURE WE CAN ANSWER IT WITH THIS.
AND, AND I, IT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
EVERYBODY'S DRIVING WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT WHAT MY POINT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEIR VEHICLES IN BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES.
SO THOSE BATTERIES COULD BE DEFECTIVE.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BRINGING THEM THERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M DRIVING MY CAR THAT HAS NO ISSUES.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THERE COULD BE, IT'S AN INCREASED CHANCE OF SOMETHING GOING WRONG.
I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT.
HE'S TELLING YOU SOMETHING SIR.
UH, I LIVE AT 74 HIGH RIDGE ROAD IN HARTSDALE.
I'M A 39 YEAR RESIDENT OF EDGEMONT IN GREENBURG.
AND I'M HERE, UH, REPRESENTING THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER.
I'M ON THE BOARD AND ALEX DUNN, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, WAS PLANNING ON BE HERE, UH, BEING HERE TONIGHT, BUT SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT.
SO, UM, I SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING AND RAISED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
SINCE THEN, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF FOLLOW UPS BETWEEN, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND, AND, UH, AND ALEX SPEAKING ABOUT THE FENCE, UH, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, THE PLANTS THAT ARE, UH, BEING, UM, UH, PLANNED FOR PLANTING.
AND, UM, UH, MOST OF IT'S IS GOOD NEWS.
UH, WE ONLY HAD ONE SUGGESTION, AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE DISCUSSION SO FAR BETWEEN ALEX AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UH, VERY CONSTRUCTIVE.
UM, AND THAT RELATES TO, UH, NOISE MITIGATION AS FAR AS WE, WE CAN TELL MEANING THERE, UH, UH, LET ME JUST READ THE NOTE THAT ALEX SENT ME.
UM, AND, UH, A A A RELATED REQUEST THAT I MADE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WAS THAT IT'S GREAT THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE ARCHITECT AND THE, AND THE, UH, LAWYER, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM, UH, THE OWNER BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND THE COMMITMENT OF THE OWNER IN THAT CONTEXT.
AND I KNOW, UH, AARON, YOU RELATED THAT REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT IN THAT CONTEXT.
DAVID TASKA, UM, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE DEALERSHIP CALLED ALEX, UH, TODAY, UH, TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF.
HE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE NATURE CENTER AND PLANS TO UPHOLD ALL OUR REQUESTS, INCLUDING THE FENCE.
HE SAID ANOTHER OWNER, PATRICK MONIKER, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M GETTING THAT RIGHT.
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AND, UH, AND HE ALSO RECEIVED, SHE ALSO RECEIVED INFORMATION ON NOISE MITIGATION AND THAT IT SEEMS THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE SOUND ENCLOSED.I GUESS THAT MEANS, UM, THE DOOR CLOSED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND INSULATION WITHIN THE, UH, INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, IT'S ACTUALLY CODE.
AND, UH, KATHY LUDDEN, WHO IS ALSO ON THE BOARD AND AN EXPERT IN NATIVE PLANS REVIEWED, REVIEWED THE PLANTING PLAN AND ONLY HAD ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT ALEX PASSED ALONG TO THE ATTORNEY.
UH, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD, JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, UH, THE DEALER BEING THERE IS WILL THEY BE OPERATING THE SERVICE, UH, AREA ON THE WEEKEND? WILL THAT BE OPEN ON SATURDAY? I JUST DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMMON PRACTICE OR NOT.
WE WOULD PREFER THAT IT NOT BE, UH, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A BUSINESS TO RUN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BLAND.
ARE WE DONE ON THE LEFT THEN? IT'S YOUR, IT'S MY RIGHT
A SHOW OF HANDS ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM AGAIN, PLEASE.
I SPOKE HERE LAST WEEK SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU'RE A LITTLE TALLER THAN THAT LAST GENTLEMAN.
SO, UM, BASED ON WHAT IRA AND SAL SAID, THEY BROUGHT UP SOME INTERESTING POINTS.
UH, WHAT I WANT TO BRING UP IS ACCOUNTABILITY, BECAUSE WE'RE IN GOOD FAITH.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ABIDE BY ALL THE SOUND RULES AND THE NOISE POLLUTION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST EMISSIONS IN GENERAL.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY? ARE THERE GONNA BE FINES IF THEY KEEP THE DOOR OPEN? I MEAN, YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME.
SO THERE'S CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPROVALS AND IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONS, THEY CAN BE ISSUED A VIOLATION BY THE TOWN.
UM, AND IF THEY, YOU KNOW, CORRECT THE ISSUE AND CURE IT WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AND TAKE REASONABLE MEASURES, THEN UH, THERE WOULDN'T BE A FINE.
THEY, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, WAIVE THE FINE.
BUT IF THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN A MANNER THAT'S, UM, IN VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONS, THEN THERE WOULD BE FINES ASSOCIATED AND POTENTIALLY, UH, FURTHER ACTION.
SO HOW, HOW MANY WARNINGS DO THEY GET? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO WHEN TT TYPICALLY WHEN A VIOLATION IS ISSUED LIKE ANYONE ELSE, UM, THEY'RE GIVEN A PERIOD TO CURE IT.
YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU'RE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH TO, TO CLEAN UP THE VIOLATION OR FIX WHATEVER'S IN VIOLATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS ANY OTHER JURISDICTION DOES.
AND, AND WHAT ARE THE FINE AMOUNTS IF THEY DON'T DO IT? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU IF YOU WANNA REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE OR OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT.
BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR, IN THE COMPLEX FOR 24 YEARS THIS WEEK.
UM, SO A FEW THINGS JUST TO GOING OVER THE MATERIAL SUBMITTED ON DECEMBER 18TH, JUST REGARDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, IN THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT DOES STATE THAT THE, THE, THE, UH, THE LOCATION, A LOT OF THIS BUILDING WILL NOT IMPAIR THE USE ENJOYMENT OR VALUE OF ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
WHEN I GET TO THE, THE, THE LAYOUT, UH, WE TALK ABOUT SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING BEING A BIG PART OF THIS PROCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR US ON THE NORTH, UH, OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, YOU QUOTED IN NOVEMBER LAST YEAR IN THE, UH, WEST FAIR ONLINE WEBSITE STATING YOU WANT TO SEE A ROBUST SCREENING PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU GET INTO THE SCREENING IT, IT REALLY DOES GET INTERESTING WHEN YOU KIND OF READ THROUGH SOME OF THE ANSWERS.
UM, SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING, ADEQUATE VISUAL AND NOISE BUFFERS IN ALL SEASONS.
UH, IMPACT, UH, PROTECTED AGAINST NOISE, GLARE, UNSIGHTLINESS AND OBJECTIONABLE FEATURES MORE VEHICLE SALES AND USE AND MORE VEHICLE SALES.
LOT SHALL BE SUITABLY SCREENED FROM ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN OTHER NEIGHBORING AREAS.
UM, LANDSCAPING AREAS ON THE REAR AND SIDES 10 FEET MINIMUM, COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING MINIMUM STANDARDS.
EVERGREEN TREES, FENCES WILL EFFECTIVELY SCREEN THE ACTIVITY OF THE LOT FROM NEIGHBORING AREAS.
THE, THE, THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED A WAIVER ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY CLAIMING THE
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EXISTING TREE LINE IS ADEQUATE.AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I HAVE PHOTOS OF FROM MY APARTMENT, WHICH OVERLOOKS THE LOT, SHOWING THE ADEQUATE TREE LINE THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE CLAIMING, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH, UM, ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
20 FEET OF LANDSCAPING ON THE FRONT WAIVER REQUESTED ADEQUATE TREE LINE, ADEQUATE UH, PARKING SPOTS, 15 PARKING SPOTS IN LINE, SEPARATED BY A 10 FOOT MINIMUM ISLAND WAIVER REQUEST FOR THAT IN THEIR PLAN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM, WELL, WHICH IS ON THE, ON THE SCREEN NOW, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE PUT IN 27 EVERGREEN TREES AND BUSHES IN THE LAYOUT.
23 SIT IN FRONT OF THE FENCE BEING BUILT IN FRONT OF THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER.
SO WE HAVE EFFECTIVELY SCREENED THE WOODS, RIGHT? IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY PROPERTY.
I HAVE A WONDERFUL PICTURE OF MYSELF AND MY SON WALKING UP THAT PATH.
NO ONE'S THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
NO ONE'S THERE AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
YOU'RE USING THE EVERGREEN WINE TO SAY WE'RE USING IT FOR ALL SEASON COVERAGE.
THE OTHER EVERGREEN TREES ARE BEING PLANTED IN THE FRONT FAR CORNERS.
THE NORTHWEST AND NORTH AND SOUTHWEST CORNERS ARE GETTING THREE EVERGREEN TREES.
SO 26 TO 27 ARE GOING A NON IMPACTFUL LOCATION TO PROTECT RESIDENTS WHO BOARD ON NORTH AND SOUTH.
THE ONE IMPACTFUL EVERGREEN TREE BEING PLANTED IS FRONT, MIDDLE, THAT'S IT.
SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING PAST, YOU MIGHT SEE AN EVERGREEN THERE IN THE FALL.
IT'S THE ONLY LOCATION WHERE AN EVERGREEN TREE IS BEING ALLOTTED IN, IN THIS WHOLE ENTIRE LAYOUT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT LAYOUT AND YOU SAY, WELL, THIS IS AN EFFECTIVE LAYOUT.
THERE'S 84 PLANTING SUGGESTED IN THEIR LANDSCAPING DIAGRAM.
HALF OF THOSE LAYOUT OF THOSE TREES EXIST ON THE BACK FENCE.
SO 23 EVERGREENS ON THE BACK FENCE AND ANOTHER 20 SOME ODD PLANTINGS IN FRONT OF THE NEW SERVICE CENTER WELCOME AREA.
SO THEY MAKE THE WELCOME AREA VERY PLEASANT, ABOUT 24.
THERE'S TWO TREES AND A BUNCH OF LITTLE BUSHES IN THE FRONT OF THAT WELCOME AREA.
PLANTING OCCURS IN TWO SPOTS, NOT IMPACTFUL TO RESIDENTS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS AS THE TREE GOES, I HAVE PHOTOS I, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU AS FAR AS WHAT YOU SEE FROM A BALCONY LOOKING OVER THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHERE I RESIDE MY CHILDREN'S WINDOW, WHICH IS WHERE THEY LIVE MOST OF THE TIME, PLAYING THEIR VIDEO GAMES AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE AND THEREFORE THE PARKING LOT THAT LOOKS ONTO THAT LOT.
SO I CAN SHARE THESE WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.
I CAN POP UP ON THE SCREEN AND HAVE A LAPTOP WITH ME, WHATEVER'S EASIEST FOR YOU.
DO YOU WANT 'EM TO PASS THEM AROUND OR WHAT? YEAH, BRING IT UP.
NOW WHAT THOSE PHOTOS SHOW IS A VIEW FROM MY BALCONY OVERLOOKING THE 33 CONSECUTIVE SPOTS AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FROM YOUR CORRECT IS IS YOUR, YOUR CHILD'S APARTMENT.
IT'S THE FOUR, THOSE FOUR WINDOWS WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE REFACING.
WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE REFACING NOW.
WHICH HAS BEEN COMPLETED OUT FRONT.
SO
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THEIR, THEIR ESCALATION DIAGRAM, WHICH SHOWS THE VIEW FROM, FROM THE NORTH GOING SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE THE SERVICE CENTER DOORS FOR THEIR NEW WELCOME CENTER.
YOU HAVE THE SERVICE CENTER ENTRANCE, THE 18 FOOT OVERHEAD DOOR, AND THEN YOU HAVE THEIR WELCOME AREA, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO DOORS THERE.
SO FROM, FROM THE NORTH LOOKING SOUTH, THERE'S VIEW OF THREE SERVICE ENTER DOORS.
I WOULD DEEM THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN UNSIGHTLY OBJECTIONABLE FEATURE.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE AN 18 FOOT SERVICE DOOR LOOKING AT MY BALCONY FOR PEOPLE LOOKING STRAIGHT ACROSS THE LOT.
'CAUSE THERE IS NO SCREENING BEING PROVIDED.
SO THE TREE LINE YOU SEE THERE, THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT PROTECTS THE PEOPLE IN THE EDGEMONT LOOKING SOUTH.
NOW IF YOU LISTEN TO THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW, IT'S QUIET.
SO PICTURE THIS AT 6 30, 7 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU WAKE UP, FIRST THING YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR 18 FOOT GARAGE DOOR OPENING UP SERVICE CENTER STARTS SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING.
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HAVE TO USE A LOT.100 DECIBEL PNEUMATIC DRILL EVERY TIME A DRILL PULLS A HUNDRED DECIBELS YOUR FIRST POINT OF THE DAY, HIGHER ROTATION, SEVEN 30, GET IN AND GET 'EM OUT REAL QUICK.
GO OPENS UP BOOM, 24 LUG NUTS OFF THE CAR.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT IN THE SILENCE OF THE MORNING AT SEVEN 30.
YOU JUST WILL TO SAY THE DOOR WILL BE SHUT A MAJORITY OF THE TIME, WHICH WAS A RESPONSE WHEN THE KEY TO THE NOISE COMPLAINT ON THE LETTER SUBMITTED ON THE 10TH, THE DOORS TO THE REPAIR AREA WILL BELO THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WILL ONLY OPEN AS NEEDED AND PROMPTLY CLOSED.
SO BASED ON THE, THE DISCLOSURE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER, THE CURRENT LOT SERVICE IS UPWARDS OF 50 CARS PER DAY.
THAT'S THEIR RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, RIGHT? 50 PER DAY.
I BELIEVE THEY, THEY THEY'LL ANSWER THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND.
THE CURRENT LOT, THE CURRENT DEALERSHIP AND, AND, AND, AND SERVICE CENTER IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET COMBINED.
SO ASSUME THE SERVICE CENTER IS HALF OF THAT SPACE, ABOUT 10 BAYS ASSUME THE NEW SERVICE CENTER IS 23 BAYS, THREE DETAILING STATIONS, AN ALIGNMENT RACK PLUS A FOUR 3000 SQUARE FOOT WELCOME CENTER.
SO THIS IS NOT A DEALERSHIP TO SELL CARS.
THIS IS A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUSINESS DRIVING SERVICE CENTER.
IF THIS SERVICE CENTER JUST SERVICE 50 CARS A DAY AND YOU OPEN AND CLOSE THAT DOOR FOR EVERY CAR THAT ENTERS AND LEAVES, IT OPENS AND CLOSES A HUNDRED TIMES A DAY, A HUNDRED TIMES A DAY, SIX DAYS A WEEK BASED ON THEIR CURRENT SCHEDULE.
MONDAY, UH, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 7:30 AM TILL 5:00 PM OR 5:30 PM ON ON DURING THE WEEK AND EIGHT TO FIVE 30 ON SATURDAY.
THAT DOOR WILL OPEN AND CLOSE IF THEY DO IT FOR EVERY CAR THAT GOES IN AT THEIR CURRENT VOLUME OF 50 CARS PER DAY, THEY'RE DOUBLING OR TRIPLING THE SIZE OF THEIR SERVICE CENTER.
ASSUME IT GOES TO A HUNDRED CARS A DAY, 56,000 TIMES A YEAR, THAT DOOR HAS TO OPEN AND CLOSE.
WE DON'T GET NOISE STOPPAGE FROM IT.
IT'S UNSIGHTLY, IT WILL DESTROY PROPERTY VALUE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THE TOWN HAS A NOISE ORDINANCE AND THAT UNDER THE NOISE ORDINANCE, ANY POWER TOOLS HAVE TO BE UNDER 65 DECIBELS DURING OPERATION HOURS.
AND SO IF THEY WERE IN VIOLATION, THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE, THERE WOULD BE A VIOLATION ISSUE BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR A NOISE ISSUE.
I JUST WENT OFF OF A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH ON PNEUMATIC WRENCHES.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING QUITE ENOUGH.
THAT'S WHY THEY NEED TO BE IN THE ENCLOSED BUILDING, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THE HYUNDAI LOT ON CENTRAL OR ANY SERVICE CENTER, THE SERVICE CENTER DOOR IS USUALLY KEPT OPEN DURING THE DAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE WEATHER'S NICE.
I DROVE BY HYUNDAI, TODAY'S WHAT? WEDNESDAY.
SO IF YOU WORK MORNING AND NIGHT, I DRIVE BY WHILE THEY'RE OPERATING AND I DROVE BY AGAIN, AGAIN COMING HERE THIS EVENING.
YEAH, THE DOOR WAS OPEN EVERY SINGLE TIME.
SO TO SAY WE'RE GONNA CLOSE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
SERVICE CENTERS KEEP THEIR DOORS OPEN.
EVERY OTHER SERVICE CENTER ON CENTRAL AVENUE FROM FROM TOSKA, UH, MAZDA DEALERSHIP DOWN IN YONKERS, ALL THE WAY UP TO GMC HONDA UP ON CENTRAL, ARE LOCATED AT STREET LEVEL SERVICE AND ARE LOCATED NEXT TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE WITHIN INCHES OF THE, OF THAT MAIN DOOR.
DOOR MIGHT STAY OPEN, BUT YOU'RE ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
IT'S MITIGATED BY THE NOISE OF THE STREET.
YOU DON'T REALLY HEAR IT AS IT IMPACTS SOMEONE.
TOSCA OWNS SEVEN DEALERSHIPS IN THE AREA BETWEEN THE HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP AND SCARSDALE FOUR AND, AND UH, KNOW JEEP ON ON CENTRAL JEEP, YONKERS.
ALL OF THEIR LOTS ARE OVERCROWDED.
LIKE MOST DEALERSHIPS, IT'S INVENTORY AS MANY CARS ON THE LOT MOVE THEIR CARS OUT TO BELIEVE THEY WILL SUDDENLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT.
AND ANY OF THEIR OTHER LOTS THAT THEY CAN MANAGE INVENTORY AND NOT STACK CARS IS UNREALISTIC AS THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT AT SEVEN EXISTING DEALERSHIPS IN THE AREA.
TO SAY YOU DID IT THIS WEEK AT THE EXISTING HYUNDAI LOT IS LIKE TELLING MY KID TO CLEAN HIS ROOM AND HE'LL GET AN ALLOWANCE AND THEY CLEANS IT FOR A DAY AND THEN TWO DAYS LATER IT'S DIRTY AGAIN.
SHE GIVE THE ALLOWANCE TWO DAYS LATER YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO IN THAT SITUATION YOU DON'T REWARD THEM FOR CLEANING THEIR LOT FOR ONE DAY FOR PICTURES.
SO NOW THROUGH WE COULD, WE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WAITING THIS OH YEAH, YEAH.
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THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS LOT TO A SERVICE CENTER IS NOT A SIMPLE READJUSTMENT OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY BASED ON THE, BASED ON THE SUBMISSION.EXCAVATORS JACK CAMERON MOVING CEMENT, DUMP TRUCKS, NONSTOP EQUIPMENT BEING PUT ONTO THIS LOT FOR 12 MONTHS OPERATING HOURS.
7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM MONDAY TO FRIDAY, 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM ON SATURDAY.
THEY'RE PREDICTING 64 HOURS PER WEEK OF CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S WHEN APARTMENTS HAS RETIREES, NEW PARENTS, BABIES, GRANDPARENTS WHO TAKE CARE OF GRANDCHILDREN, PEOPLE WHO WORK AT HOME.
COULD YOU IMAGINE? 64 HOURS A WEEK OF JACKHAMMERING AS THIS PROJECT STARTS OFF, AS THEY BUILD 9,000 SQUARE FEET OF EXTENSIONS, A NEW 5,000 SQUARE FOOT SERVICE CENTER, EXTENSION 60 FEET CLOSER TO OUR PROPERTY LINE THAT THEY CAN'T SCREEN A SERVICE CENTER UP FRONT THAT THEY CAN'T SCREEN AGAINST.
THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
IT'S MASSIVELY, IT'S A YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAD BRICK REFACING DONE BEYOND ANOINTING, AND IT'S OUR BUILDING.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A YEAR OF THAT.
ONE WEEK DROVE MY WIFE NUTS WHEN SHE WAS HOME FROM SCHOOL.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A YEAR OF THAT NOISE.
NOW YOU MENTIONED A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER A MINUTE AGO, I'LL BE DONE, AND I PROMISE YOU MENTIONED A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER PRIOR TO COVID, THAT SHOPPING CENTER HAD THE CHILD'S PLAY PLACE AT THE, THE, THE, UH, JUNGLE GYM EQUIPMENT WAS THERE.
IT HAD CLOSED WAY BEFORE COVID.
GREATER PLAY THINGS WAY BEFORE COVID.
YOU HAD DENTAL PLACE, YOU HAD JIMBO REED MATHNASIUM, YOU HAD A YOGA PLACE, NAIL CHOCOLATE STORE.
YOU HAVE SCARSDALE DANCE 37 YEARS, THAT LOCATION.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A, A NEGATIVE IMPACT STATEMENT DRAFT THAT SAYS THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ZERO IMPACT ON A CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
SCARSDALE DANCE HAS BEEN A 37 YEARS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
THEY HAVE A YEAR ON THEIR LEASE.
THE YOGA STUDIO HAS TWO YEARS ON THEIR LEASE.
THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO YET.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU SAY IT HAS ZERO IMPACT ON CHARACTER AND COMMUNITY.
SCARSDALE DANCE IS CRITICAL FOR THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST 30 SOME ODD YEARS.
INTRODUCED HIM TO DANCE DURING COVID.
THEY HAD OUTDOOR DANCE CLASSES, OUTDOOR CONCERTS IN THAT PARKING LOT.
THERE WERE A LIFELINE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO TO SAY A A A TRANSACTIONAL DEALERSHIP WILL NOT IMPACT THAT COMMUNITY IS WRONG.
CAN I SEE A, A SHOW OF HANDS? START WAY IN THE BACK THERE.
SOMEBODY ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK HAD THEIR HAND UP, I THINK ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
RAISE YOUR HAND AGAIN IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, PLEASE.
THIS YOUNG LADY IN THE FRONT THREE.
I LIVE IN SCARSDALE WOODS, THIS SOUTH END OF WHERE THIS, UH, DEALERSHIP IS PLANNING ON GOING.
UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD THERE AND HAVE SPOKEN TO MOST OF THE RESIDENTS.
WE'RE ALL FLABBERGASTED THAT YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE'VE WORKED SO HARD TO LIVE THERE, PAY THE TAXES, WE PAY AND HAVE THIS HAPPEN TO US.
WE SPENT A YEAR LISTENING TO THE NOISE BEHIND US WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD NOW TO THE NORTH OF US.
WHERE, WHERE ARE WE TO GO? WHAT ARE WE TO DO? WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR PROPERTY VALUES? THE NOISE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
DO YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS GET IN YOUR CAR AND GO WHEREVER YOU LIVE? WE HAVE TO LIVE, LIVE IN EDGEMONT TO LIVE.
SO LIVE WHERE? IN EDGEMONT, IN EDGEMONT IN THOSE APARTMENTS? NO, I DON'T LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS.
MY DAUGHTER DID GO TO CENTRAL DANCE.
WELL IF YOU LIVE ON EITHER SIDE, WE NOW HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON BEHIND US, WHICH IS 44, SUPPOSED 44 FAMILIES.
THAT'S GONNA CAUSE A LOT OF IMPACT COMING DOWN DRMO ROAD.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT DRAW MOORE TONIGHT.
PLEASE STICK TO THE, THE TOPIC.
PLEASE STICK TO THE TOPIC, PLEASE.
WELL THE POINT IS THE SUBJECT SITE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND RIGHT.
AND ALSO DRIVING BY THAT DEALERSHIP ARE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED ALL THOSE FLAGS BLOWING THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO DETERIORATE UNBELIEVABLY, BESIDES THE FACT OF THE SAFETY.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PULLING IN OUR DRIVEWAYS NOT BEING ABLE TO, IF THEY DO THAT NOW,
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NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THE DEALERSHIP BY MISTAKE.GOING UP DRAWN MORE ROAD TO THE NATURE CENTER.
IT'S, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU JUST THROW IT ON US.
YOU DON'T TAKE A SURVEY AND SEE WHAT THE POPULATION, UH, IF, IF WE WOULD LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF, IF IT WOULD BOTHER US OR IF IT WOULD IMPACT US.
SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN LIKE WHY THIS IS SO ACCEPTABLE? I I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WE HAVEN'T ACCEPTED ANYTHING YET.
WE'RE HEARING THIS TONIGHT AND GETTING PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SPEAKING IN THE GENERAL LETTERS BEFORE YOU HAVE AND BROUGHT UP SOME, SOME POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
THE IMPACT ON OUR LIVES IS GONNA BE GREAT.
AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I NEED TO SAY.
UH, NEXT, COULD WE, CAN I RAISE HANDS AGAIN SO I CAN SEE PLEASE.
I ALSO LIVE IN SCARSDALE WOODS AND I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT BONNIE HAS SAID BEFORE ME.
UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 38 YEARS.
'CAUSE OF THE PEACE AND QUIET AND ALL THE GREEN SPACE, WHICH WE'RE SEEING SLOWLY DISAPPEAR.
I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND US 'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN TALKED TO DEATH.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND A COUPLE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE CUTTING DOWN TREES IN THE BACK.
IS THAT TRUE? WE'RE GONNA BE CUTTING DOWN, DOWN.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS, BUT, UH, THE, THE QUICK ANSWER IS NO, NOT IN THE REAR.
THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE GREEN SPACE AS THERE IS.
I'D HATE TO SEE MORE OF IT DISAPPEAR.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE IMPACT THAT BRIGHT LIGHTS, SPEAKING OF THE MICROPHONE, OH, SORRY.
THE IMPACT THAT BRIGHT LIGHTS MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING.
ONE THING I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE BUILDING BEHIND US IS THEIR LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE POINTING DOWN.
SO WHEN BIRDS MIGRATE, THEY GET VERY DISTRACTED BY THE, BY THE LIGHTS.
AND THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF, THERE'S, UM, GREENBERG NATURE CENTERS ON THE PATH OF WARBLER MIGRATION, WHICH IS EVERY SPRING AND EVERY FALL.
AND I WANNA KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE YOUR LIGHTS POINTING DOWN WHAT TIME THEY'RE GONNA BE ON, WHAT TIME THEY'RE GONNA BE OFF, AND WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE THE IMPACT ON THE BIRD MIGRATION AND ALL THE ANIMALS THAT LIVE BACK THERE TO BE MINIMIZED.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME, THE WHOLE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WALK THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY.
IS THIS THE WOMAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I KNOW IT'S NOT A CORNER C
IF SOMEONE WAS BEHIND THE CORNER.
JUST A SHOW OF HANDS OF ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.
YEAH, JOHN TOOK MOST OF THE STUFF WHICH WE WANTED TO SPEAK.
I THINK YOU KNOWS ME FROM THE LITTLE CHAT WE HAD ONLINE.
SO, BUT I, I AM MAYBE YOU CALL ME NAIVE, BUT I JUST WANNA PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY IS THIS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT, PUT A BUSY POLLUTION, FULL OF POLLUTION THING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF DENSELY POPULATED AREA.
IT'S LIKE HUMAN BEINGS, CHILDREN LIVING ON EITHER SIDE, ANIMALS LIVING ON THE BACK, BIRDS THERE.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT A CAR DEALERSHIP COME SERVICE CENTER RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WAY, THE PLACE THAT WE LIVE? IT'S SUCH A PEACEFUL AND A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
SO, AND IT'S, I KNOW IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? I LEARNED ABOUT THAT.
BUT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN A SMALL STRIP MALL AND THIS BIG SERVICE CENTER.
SO PLEASE, IF ANYBODY CAN MAKE ME UNDERSTAND, FOR A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND OF TAX DOLLARS, WHICH I GUESS OUR BUILDINGS PROVIDE TO YOU, ARE JUST SPOILING THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE PROPERTY VALUE, AND NOT TO MENTION THE, THE ANIMALS AND THE BIRDS, WHICH CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES, RIGHT? SO I REALLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY ARE WE BEING FORCED TO DEAL WITH THIS IDEA, WHICH I FEEL IS SUCH AN ATROCITY ON ALL OF US.
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THANK YOU.SO WE'RE GONNA LET EVERYONE COMMENT AND THEN THERE WILL BE A RESPONSE PERIOD.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? YES.
JUST STAY IN, UH, THE EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
SORRY, JUST THAT SHE CAN, OUR STENOGRAPHER CAN PICK YOU UP.
ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME WELL? OKAY, GREAT.
I STAY IN EDGEMONT APARTMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, UH, DIFFERENT POINTS THIS TIME.
UH, I THINK WE ALL REPRESENTED LAST TIME.
THERE WERE SOME GOOD POINTS THAT CAME UP.
UH, WE GOT SOME KIND OF RESPONSES ON SOME OF THE EARLIER POINTS.
I STILL HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THEM.
MY SECOND CAR EVER WAS A HYUNDAI.
NDA IS ONE OF THE BEST DEALERSHIPS OR COMPANIES, WHICH IS RAVING RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING HOW MANY CARS THEY'RE SELLING, THEY'LL TOP THE CHARTS AND THEY'LL BE THE BEST ONES VERY SOON.
THE STOCK OF TESLA IS DOWN 35, I THINK 35% THIS YEAR.
SO TESLA IS NOWHERE IN THE CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE SECOND THING IS, EVEN IT'S A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.
WE ALL HEARD IT, RIGHT? WE ALL RESPECT FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES.
WE LOVE BUY LOCAL, BUY LOCAL, GO TO LOCAL STORES.
NOW, THE BEAUTY HERE, HERE IS WOULD A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS HAVE A SERVICE CENTER AND A CAR DEALERSHIP IN THEIR BACKYARD? DOES THIS FAMILY HAVE ONE WHERE THEY PRESENTLY RESIDE? AND, SORRY, THAT'S JUST BACKGROUND NOISE.
PLEASE IGNORE YOUR FANS, BUT WOULD, CAN THIS FAMILY STAND UP AND ATTEST THAT THEY HAVE A SERVICE CENTER AND A CAR DEALERSHIP IN THE BACKYARD WHERE THEY LIVE IN OR RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THEY LIVE IN? WE ARE BEING FORCED INTO THE SITUATION THAT WE, AND WHEN I SAY WE, THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES RIGHT AROUND THERE ARE BEING FORCED.
WITH THIS PLAN, IT'LL, IT'LL BE VERY, IT'LL BE GREAT TO AT LEAST HEAR WHAT THE FAMILY THINKS ABOUT IT.
AND WOULD THEY ALSO BE WILLING TO MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE WOULD LOVE THEM TO HAVE THEM HERE RATHER THAN THEY STAY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I THINK I'LL JUST ADD THAT I THINK, AGAIN, MY METRICS COULD BE WRONG.
THIS IS THE BUSIEST PART OF EDGEMONT.
I'LL, I'LL GO INTO ANOTHER RELATED INCIDENT.
WE HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC CONCERNS NOT BEING TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
I'VE SO FAR NOT READ THE REPORT.
I'M, I'M HOPING, AND I'M, I'M PROBABLY MOST SLIGHTLY POSITIVE THAT THE TOWN IS GONNA PAY GOOD HEAT TO THAT REPORT AND THEY WILL DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'LL BE GREAT IF WE ALSO GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT AS WELL.
UH, NOT TO POKE HOLES, BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ASSUMPTIONS HAVE GONE IN.
EVERY PLAN COMES WITH ASSUMPTIONS.
IT'LL BE GREAT TO VALIDATE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL.
CAN IT VALIDATED BY THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL WHO ARE TRULY GONNA BE IMPACTED.
JUST DURING THE LAST WEEK, THERE HAS BEEN AN ALMOST FATAL ACCIDENT, VERY CLOSE TO WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THIS WAS RIGHT ON MARION AND THE INTERSECTION OF MARION AVENUE AND CENTRAL PARK AVENUE AND ALMOST FATAL ACCIDENT.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AGAIN, TRAFFIC.
THERE IS NO TRAFFIC LIGHT RIGHT THERE WHERE THE ACCIDENT HAPPENS.
IT, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SOMEBODY WAS COMING OUT OF THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND, AND SOMEBODY GOT IMPACTED.
SOMEBODY ELSE GOT IMPACTED WHO WAS JUST TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD.
WE ARE CREATING ANOTHER SUCH SITUATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
LET'S PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IS ASSESSED AND ANY ACCOUNTABILITY IS TAKEN UP BY QUOTE UNQUOTE, THE FAMILY.
UH, THERE IS ANOTHER GRAY AREA WHICH TALKS ABOUT AN EASEMENT WITH THE EDGEMONT.
UH, IT MENTIONS ABOUT A PRIVATE AGREEMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN THE PRIVATE AGREEMENT, WHATEVER IS THERE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
BUT FOR US, BECAUSE WE ARE PART OF THE PRIVATE AGREEMENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY SINGLE NITTY GRITTY OF THAT BEFORE ANYTHING IS APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED.
WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER THERE.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET INTO THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHY IS IT A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER? IT IS A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT NOW.
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REASONS.WHY IS IT A FAILED SHOPPING CENTER? I THINK WE SHOULDN'T, WE NEED TO ALL GET INTO THE BOTTOM OF THAT AS WELL.
IT WAS A THRIVING SHOPPING CENTER JUST ABOUT FIVE YEARS BACK.
WHAT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN THOSE FIVE YEARS IS WHAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
I WATCH A LOT OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
I DON'T WANNA CREATE ONE HERE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHY.
IS IT IN THIS SITUATION? HAVE SOME OF THE OWNERS BEING FORCED OUT OF THEIR LEASE? HAVE THEY'VE BEEN TOLD NOT TO EXTEND THEIR LEASE OF WHAT'S GOING ON? THERE ARE TOO MANY CONS, CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
WE CAN INVITE NETFLIX AGAIN TO CREATE A MOTION SERIES ON THAT.
UH, WE SPOKE ABOUT NOISE VIOLATIONS AND OTHER VIOLATIONS, WHICH THE TOWN DEMANDS.
CAN I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHO ENFORCES THESE VIOLATIONS? LET'S TALK ABOUT NOISE GETTING GENERATED FROM THAT SHOPPING CENTER OR FROM THAT CAR DEALERSHIP.
WHO MONITORS THESE? HOW DOES THE TOWN COME TO KNOW ABOUT IT? IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEIGHBORS TO REPORT IT OR IS IT LEFT TO SOMEBODY ELSE? OR IS THE TOWN GONNA APPOINT SOMEBODY TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN THE SERVICE CENTER IS OPEN AND THE DEALERSHIP IS OPEN, SOMEBODY IS MONITORING THAT? I THINK IT'LL BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE DENSE POPULATION THAT LIVES AROUND IT.
AND THE NOISE AND THE POLLUTION LEVELS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I ALSO HEARD THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY IS NOT REQUIRED TO THIS, WHICH COULD BE A CODE THAT THE TOWN FOLLOWS.
I REALLY URGE THE TOWN TO TAKE AN EXCEPTION HERE AND GO IN FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, GIVEN THAT IT IMPACTS TOO MANY PEOPLES PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THERE.
WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS A POLLUTING BUSINESS.
THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN CARS.
WE ALL NEED TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
I WOULD URGE THE TOWN URGE IN BOLD LETTERS TO TAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE, TO THE RULES THAT THEY ARE, THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
BUT PLEASE, LET'S HAVE AN ASSESSMENT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
HOW MANY MORE DO WE HAVE TO SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE? IS THAT IT? THAT WAS MY COUNT.
MURRAY, BE BRIEF PLEASE, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND.
I THINK THE, THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE AS WELL.
I'VE BEEN AT BOTH SITES DURING THE DAY AND TO SEE THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I LOOK AT THIS AS A VERY DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW.
THEY JUST ANNOUNCED THAT IN NEW YORK CITY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CARS THAT DRIVE BY THEMSELVES.
THAT MEANS THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO DRIVERS HAS TO BE CONSISTENT.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP HERE THIS EVENING WAS ENFORCEMENT.
THE TIME BETWEEN REPORTING AND ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO BE DAYS, NOT MONTHS.
AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO SOLVE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENCY.
YELLOW LINES ON THE LEFT, WHITE LINES ON THE RIGHT CARS ARE BACKING IN TODAY BECAUSE IT'S SAFER TO PULL OUT THAN TO BACK OUT.
MEANING THE SPACES HAVE TO BE WIDER.
HANDICAP SIGNS NEED TO BE AT THE SIDE SO THAT A DRIVER CAN PULL THROUGH.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS FOR YOU TO CREATE NEW LAWS QUICKLY THAT ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT IT WITHIN HOURS BECAUSE GREENBERG ALREADY HAS A SITE WHERE YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF A POTHOLE AND IT GOES RIGHT IN.
SO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF REPORTING IS ALREADY THERE.
IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WHEN YOU SAY, WE'LL GET TO IT.
THIS IS A I I LOOK AT THINGS AS A TERROR SITUATION.
WHEN A, WHEN YOU HEAR A BANG, I CONSIDER THAT A GUNSHOT AND SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND EVERYBODY STARTS STOPS THINKING AND THEY RUN.
EVERY DOOR HAS TO BE A PUSH DOOR AND OPEN AUTOMATICALLY.
THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT MEANS MANY OF THE LAWS THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH HAVE TO BE CHANGED AND ENFORCEMENT HAS TO BE WITHIN HOURS OR DAYS.
YOU'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IT WITH TAKING
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PICTURES OF POTHOLES AND SENDING THEM IN.YEAH, YOU HAVE THE HARDER JOB.
THE ISSUES THAT THEY RAISE ARE INTERESTING, BUT TO CHANGE THE LAWS SO THAT ACTION IS QUICK AND SAFETY IS THE ISSUE, IS GONNA BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
SO IT'S, IF I HAD A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS, I DON'T HAVE TO APPRECIATE FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER TIME.
THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING GOOD.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? THERE WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT RE REQUESTED THE REGISTRATION LINK.
I BELIEVE SHE'S AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE.
OKAY, SO THERE IS NO ONE ELSE? NO.
IN THAT CASE I'LL GIVE THE APPLICANT THE RESPOND.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 20 MINUTES LEFT.
I HOPE THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU,
SO I, I'LL START BY THANKING, UH, EVERYONE WHO SPOKE, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR INPUT.
UH, I DO WANNA JUST ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THE, THE TOPICS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP JUST KIND OF IN THE ORDER THAT THEY CAME THROUGH IN THE ORDER I WROTE THEM DOWN.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF STORMWATER, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND CONTEXT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE STORMWATER, UH, ON THE SITE, THERE IS AN EXISTING SYSTEM THAT WAS DESIGNED THAT WE BELIEVE WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
UH, WITH THIS SITE PLAN, WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF THAT WILL HIT AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND, AND, AND RUN OFF, UH, WILL BE REDUCED.
WE'LL HAVE MORE PERVIOUS SURFACES.
WE'VE GOT MORE, UH, MULCH BEDS, LAWN AREAS LIKE THAT THAT'LL ABSORB STORM WATER.
THE SYSTEM THAT IS IN PLACE HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
THIS IS A DETENTION SYSTEM, SO THIS HANDLES VOLUME.
SO STORM WATER, THERE IS A CONVEYANCE SYSTEM.
STORM WATER IS CAPTURED IN CATCH BASINS AND, AND, AND DRAINAGE STRUCTURES AND IS CONVEYED TO.
AND THIS EXISTING DETENTION SYSTEM, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE AN INVESTIGATION OF THAT SYSTEM AND IT IS NOT AT FULL, NOT OPERATING AT FULL CAPACITY.
AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, EXISTING DETENTION SYSTEM TO PROVIDE THE FULL VOLUME OF STORM WATER STORAGE THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'LL BE FOR A REDUCED AMOUNT OF RUNOFF THAT'LL BE COMING OFF THE SITE AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.
UM, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER ALREADY THAT, UH, WE'VE DONE, BASED ON THE EXISTING, UH, USES THAT THE, THAT THE SITE PLAN IS, IS APPROVED FOR, UH, WE WOULD WILL WIND UP SEEING ABOUT HALF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UH, DEMAND WITH THIS USE THEN IF THAT, IF THAT USE THAT BUILDING, THAT SITE, UH, WERE AT, AT, AT FULL CAPACITY.
IF IT WERE AT FULL CAPACITY, IT WERE AT FULL CAPACITY.
SO NOT WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
BUT IF IT WAS A THRIVING CENTER, OF COURSE, IF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A THRIVING CENTER.
UM, SO THE, UM, PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS DOWN.
THERE WAS A CO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT POINT.
SO, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT QUEUING.
UH, WE DO HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF LENGTH, UH, COMING THROUGH FROM THE ENTRANCE HERE.
UH, THE WAY THE, THE LOT IS SET UP, YOU WOULD ENTER THROUGH HERE, YOU WOULD COME THROUGH AROUND THIS BEND.
THERE WOULD BE, UH, SOMEONE TO TAKE THE CAR.
THEY CAN BRING IT INTO, I THINK THERE'S TWO OR THREE BAYS INSIDE OF HERE ON EITHER SIDE.
SO IF YOU HAVE SIX TO EIGHT AND THAT LOCATION AND ANY OVERFLOW COULD GO FURTHER INTO THE SITE, THERE'S ADDITIONAL DEDICATED PARKING FOR SERVICE.
DO YOU HAVE APPOINTMENT, DO YOU HAVE APPOINTMENTS ASSISTED AS WELL? IT'S BY, IT'S BY APPOINTMENT IS IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, AND THEN IT'S, UH, JUST TO, JUST TO SPEAK TO THE CAR STACKING THE, UM, THE, THE STORAGE OF VEHICLES.
WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
THIS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, THIS WILL BE THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, WHICH IS ENFORCEABLE.
THIS SITE PLAN SPECIFICALLY LAYS OUT PARKING SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR EMPLOYEE AND VISITOR USAGE.
SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR DISPLAY.
OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE NEAR THE FRONTAGE, UH, AND SPACES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED FOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
THOSE ARE THE SPACES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN THAT ARE FOR THAT USE.
THE SITE PLAN IS ENFORCEABLE, AS WAS MENTIONED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.
IF THERE'S VEHICLES BEING STORED IN PLACES THAT ARE NOT WHERE THEY'RE SHOWN TO BE STORED ON THE SITE PLAN, THEN THAT, THEN THAT CAN BE ENFORCED.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THE SCREENING FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A COUPLE TIMES, BUT THE, THE, THE MAIN ISSUE THAT WE RUN INTO IS THAT THERE IS A BOULDER WALL, UH, IN THIS
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PORTION OF THE SITE, UH, KIND OF CENTRAL ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.AND THERE ISN'T SUFFICIENT ROOM BETWEEN THE TOP OF THAT BOULDER WALL AND THE PROPERTY LINE TO PLANT ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT.
UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED IS TO WORK WITH THE EDGEMONT, UH, COMMUNITY.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE IN THAT LOCATION AND THE APPLICANT IS, HAS, HAS, UH, PROPOSED TO, UH, WORK WITH THEM ON IMPROVING THAT FENCE, PUTTING UP SOME TYPE OF, SOME FORM OF PRIVACY SCREEN AND FIXING IT TO THE, THE EXISTING FENCE THAT IS ON THE EDGEMONT PROPERTY.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE A CONDITION, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, UH, BUT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED TO MITIGATE THAT ISSUE.
JUST THE FACT THAT THERE JUST SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM TO PLANT A SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, HEDGE ALONG THAT, THAT UH, AREA.
UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, FIRE.
I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE THIS, THIS HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FULL OF COMMENTS WE RESPONDED TO AND, AND ACCOMMODATED EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD THEY HAD ASKED FOR.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT THAT IS, UH, THAT, THAT'S CLEAR.
UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FULLY AWARE OF THIS PROJECT.
THEY MADE COMMENTS AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM.
AND THEN JUST, JUST THE COMMENT ABOUT, UH, REMOVING TREES IN THE BACK.
UH, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST RECONFIRM THAT WE ARE NOT REMOVING TREES FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE IN FACT ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, IN THAT AREA.
THERE WAS, THERE ARE A FEW TREES IN PROXIMITY TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY THAT ARE BEING REMOVED? THERE ARE THREE FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS AT THE REQUEST OF THE FIRE CHIEF.
AND THERE'S ONE, I BELIEVE NEW LOCUST TREE, WHICH IS AN INVASIVE SPECIES THAT IS PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE PATH CONNECTION.
THERE, THERE ARE A FEW TREES THAT ARE, ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
I CAN SHOW YOU IN THIS AREA HERE.
SO NOT AT THE VERY REAR OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE, UH, TO THE, THE, UH, NATURE CENTER PROPERTY.
BUT HERE, IN FACT, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN OUR RESPONSE TO THEIR, TO THEIR LETTER, UH, WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED IT WITH A, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO THERE WERE, I THINK, I THINK THREE TREES OR SOMETHING IN THAT, UH, SOMETHING IN THAT ORDER, UH, PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED IN THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE, SPECIFICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST FOR AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO THERE ARE THREE TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED THERE.
AND AS AARON MENTIONED, THERE IS ALSO A, UH, A SINGLE SIX INCH LOCUST TREE THAT, UH, WE PROPOSE TO REMOVE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE WALKING PATH AS, AS, AS AARON JUST EXPLAINED.
UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
THESE WILL BE DOWN FACING LIGHTS.
THEY, THEY WILL RUN, THEY, THEY WILL RUN IN THE WINTER MONTHS, YOU KNOW, DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
THEY'LL BE OFF AFTER HOURS, BUT THEY'LL RUN ON A, A MOTION SENSOR, I BELIEVE, JUST FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAD.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, TO HELEN.
JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE STORM WATER.
WILL THERE BE ONGOING MAINTENANCE PLAN ONCE YOU DO THE, I THINK YOU NEEDED TO CLEAN IT OUT AND PUT A REPAIR PIPE IN ONE SECTION.
SO, SO THAT, THAT WILL BE DONE AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WRITTEN INTO THE, UH, INTO THE SITE PLAN SO THAT THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AND IT WILL BE PART OF THE MAINTAINED REGULARLY, YES.
TO PREVENT THE SILTATION THAT IS CURRENTLY AN ISSUE AT THE SITE.
THERE'LL BE CONTINUED MONITORING AND CLEANING.
I SEE YOUR HAND UP, BUT, BUT LET THE APPLICANT FINISH WHAT THEY SAY AND WE'LL SEE IF YOU HAVE TIME LEFT.
'CAUSE IT, WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THAT FROM UP THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR UNDERSTANDING.
AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT.
I UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT THE, THE GIST OF MANY OF THE COMMENTS FROM, UM, THE NEARBY RESIDENTS HAVE MORE TO DO AND, AND REALLY SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, AND NOT THIS BOARD.
BECAUSE THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU ALL SEEM TO HAVE IS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THIS USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THE TOWN BOARD AS YOUR LEGISLATIVE BODY ENACTED A ZONING CODE THAT ALLOWS THIS USE AND THAT ALLOWING THIS USE, I I, IS A DETERMINATION THAT IT IS CONSISTENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NOT RAISED ANY, UH, ANY LEGITIMATE ISSUES AND THAT TOSCA IS NOT GOING TO, UH, TRY TO ACCOMMODATE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN.UM, THE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE RAISED, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE SENTIMENT THAT TOSCA HAS OTHER DEALERSHIPS THAT DO NOT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR, OR OVER PARKED.
IS IT, I WANNA RESPOND TO THAT BECAUSE I WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR THAT TOSCA, UM, CAME INTO, CAME INTO NEW YORK REALLY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND HAS, HAS, UH, COME ONTO THESE PROPERTIES, UH, WHETHER BY LEASE OR OWNERSHIP.
AND SO THEY, THEY ARE, THEY'RE NEW.
AND SO THE ONE 11 CENTRAL AVENUE PROPERTY TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS, UH, HAS BEEN OWNED BY TOSCA FOR A YEAR.
AND THEY REALIZED VERY QUICKLY IT'S TOO SMALL.
SO NOW THEY'RE GOING TO A LARGER SITE.
AND THESE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE CITED, AGAIN, THIS IS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEW TO THIS, TO THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THAT IT, I I REALLY DO THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO, TO PUT OUT THERE THAT, THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO, TO SEE TOSCA COMPLY WITH ITS SITE PLAN.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT I BELIEVE IS AN UNFAIR AND UNFOUNDED COMMENT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS MENTION OF SCARSDALE DANCE AND, AND, AND THE YOGA STUDIO, UM, BEING FORCED OUT OF THEIR LEASE.
UM, AND SO I WANT THAT TO BE REFLECTED IN, IN THE RECORD THERE LEASES EXPIRE AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS, RIGHT? LEASES EXPIRE.
AND SO, UM, AND EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY, THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT, THAT THIS IS A POLLUTING BUSINESS.
THIS IS NOT A POLLUTING BUSINESS.
THE TOCAS WILL AND MUST COMPLY WITH ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS.
SO AGAIN, I JUST THINK THAT WHILE THERE WERE MANY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS, THERE ARE SOME THAT, UM, SEEMED TO JUST BE THROWING THINGS AT THE WALL THAT WERE JUST UNFOUNDED AND BASELESS.
SO I I I DID WANT TO, UM, JUST CORRECT THE RECORD ON THOSE.
UM, THE, THE DEALERSHIP WILL BRING BENEFITS TO THIS COMMUNITY, UM, TAX DOLLARS, GOOD PAYING JOBS, AND, UM, AND ALSO ACCOMMODATING THE CHILDREN AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT USED THE PROPERTY TO WALK TO AND FROM.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE LET THE PERSON AT THE PODIUM SPEAK AS THEY DID WHEN YOU SPOKE? IT'S ONLY FAIR TO LET THE PERSON SPEAKING TO CONTINUE SPEAKING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT I'LL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS THERE UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO ADDRESS.
YES, A FEW THINGS, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO.
UM, WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED SERVICE HOURS FOR THE SITE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AS WELL AS THE WEEKENDS? THAT WAS A QUESTION.
SO THE SERVICE HOURS ARE, I'M GONNA JUST TURN TO PATRICK FOR A MINUTE.
CAN YOU SEVEN 30 STATE YOUR NAME AND, OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SEVEN 30 TO FIVE 30 MM-HMM,
AND THEN SATURDAYS, UH, 8:00 AM TO FIVE 30 AND CLOSED ON SUNDAY.
UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION RELATED TO SERVICE CENTER.
THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE DOORS OPENING AND CLOSING.
THERE WAS FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU HAD ADDRESSED THAT THE DOORS WOULD BE CLOSED, UM, AT ALL TIMES, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS A VEHICLE'S COMING IN OR OUT.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WOULD IF, UM, HEY, AARON.
UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY OBJECTION IF THE
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PROJECT MOVED FORWARD TO A CONDITION THAT THE DOOR BE DOORS BE CLOSED AT ALL TIMES UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ASIDE FROM VEHICLE ENTRY AND EXIT? SO NOT FOR FRESH AIR OR ANY OTHER REASON BEYOND ENTERING AND EXITING THROUGH THOSE DOORS? WELL, I, I, I'LL DISCUSS THAT.ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT WAS IT.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUSAN.
DOES THAT GENTLEMAN JUST, IF IT'S BRIEF, YOU CAN COME TO THE MIC.
IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, MY VOICE, YOU CANNOT SAY YOU'RE ON TELEVISION.
IS I JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BEING TORN DOWN? NO, THEY'RE NOT.
THEY'RE GONNA USE THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT AND USE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
APPROXIMATELY 9,000 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT FAMILY VALUES WITH THE TASK OF FAMILY, AND I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE RESPONSE.
I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT WOMAN IS.
BUT, UH, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF ANTAGONISTIC TO THE EXISTING CROWD THAT'S HERE THAT'S CONCERNED AND THAT, UM, IT DIDN'T REALLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE REGARDING NOISE AND OTHER ISSUES.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW WE REALLY NEED TO STOP BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
WE HAVE THREE OTHER CASES TONIGHT.
THAT'LL BE THE LAST ONE YOU CAN COME UP AT.
ANYBODY ELSE VOTE LAST ONE AND SHORT, PLEASE.
I'M GER, PRESIDENT OF 3 72 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, I REALLY, AGAIN, WANT TO SAY WHAT IRA JUST MENTIONED, STATEMENTS, LIKE THINGS BEING THROWN AT THE WALL.
I DON'T THINK THERE NEED TO BE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RELEVANT TO ANYTHING THAT THAT'S, IT REALLY IS NOT RELEVANT.
HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT, ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED BY COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT IS NOT RELEVANT TO, TO ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
I APPRECIATE THAT THINGS ARE PACKED WITH DATA AND STATISTICS RATHER THAN THE DECISION IS BASED ON FACTS AND, AND NOTHING ELSE.
I DID WANNA MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT IF I MAY.
BUT, UH, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT STAFF IS THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM FOR THE TOWN.
WHILE THEY CAN'T HAVE EYES AND EARS ON EVERY PROPERTY 24 HOURS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, WE THEREFORE DO RELY ON COMPLAINTS COMING IN.
IF SOMETHING IS FOUND IN VIOLATION OR SUSPECTED TO BE IN VIOLATION OF ANY USE WITHIN THE TOWN, THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
BUT IF SOMETHING CHANNELS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE OR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WE ROUTE THOSE CALLS AND COMPLAINTS TO OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE FOR FOLLOW UP.
SO I JUST WANTED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEY'RE ADDRESSED VERY QUICKLY.
UM, AT THIS POINT I THINK WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PUBLIC'S AT.
WE UN I THINK HAVE THE FACTS THAT WE NEED.
IF IT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY JUST SAID, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
IF, IF IT'S VERY QUICK BECAUSE I NEED TO CLOSE THIS HEARING.
I, I, I JUST, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT THE BOARD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP IT OPEN TO WHAT, TWO WEEKS FIRST.
UM, I, I DO THINK WE'VE HEARD AN AWFUL LOT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME, BEEN SOME VERY GOOD COMMENTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I, I, I TASK, I THINK HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, HOPEFULLY AFTER THIS'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TO MAKE THEM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THINGS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO RIGHT NOW IS ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE TILL MAY 1ST.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
SECOND IS CORT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? THAT MEANS YOU CAN STILL WRITE THINGS IN THAT WE WILL CONSIDER WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING NEW THAT COMES IN, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND WE WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ANY RESPONSES WITHIN ONE WEEK FROM TONIGHT.
SO BY THE 24TH, SO THAT WE CAN POST THAT TO THE WEBSITE.
IN THE EVENT, UH, THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC FOLLOWING THAT WITHIN THAT RE WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD, WHICH WOULD BE OPEN UNTIL MAY 1ST.
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YOU.NOW, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT.
THANK YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A GOOD EVENING.
NOT, THEY'RE NOT LIKE A MEAL GARAGE.
OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN, UH, WORK, WORK SESSION.
WHY DON'T WE GO BACK AND GET PATINO OR WE DID THAT ONE.
WE NEED TO GET, UH, FOUR 50 REALTY.
MM-HMM,
MR. VI, ARE YOU ON? SOMEBODY, DO ME A FAVOR AND JUST CLOSE THE DOOR TO THE LOBBY PLEASE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL OUT THERE.
DO YOU WANT TO, IT'S, UH, FOR A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
WE ALSO NEED TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY TONIGHT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY UNDER SEEKER? SO MOVED.
CAN I, WE DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
AND CAN WE HAVE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION? SO MOVED.
SEE WHAT YOU LOSE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
YOU LEARNED JUST BY LOOKING IN ECLIPSE IN SARATOGA, NEW YORK.
SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A DRAFT SECRET DETERMINATION CIRCULATED IN THE PACKAGE.
YOU REVIEWED AND WERE VOTING ON TONIGHT.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS ISSUED WITH RESPECT TO YOUR LEAD AGENCY INTENT.
WE'RE BASICALLY HERE THIS EVENING, THE VARIANCE, UM, BECAUSE THE PROJECT INVOLVES A NUMBER OF VARIANCES, WHICH WERE REVIEWED AT THE LAST MEETING.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 11 PURSUANT TO A MEMORANDUM ISSUED BY THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND, UH, MR. VIAL IS HERE IN THE EVENT THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT THE ZONING BOARD WILL BENEFIT FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD AND IT'S OBLIGATED.
IS THERE ANY REASON TO GO BACK THROUGH THESE VARIANCES? I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH THEM BEFORE.
WE WENT THEM PRETTY DETAILED LAST TIME.
THEY WERE EVEN GOOD QUESTIONS.
AND MOST OF THEM ARE EXISTING.
IF, YOU KNOW, AT A FUTURE POINT, UH, SECOND STORY ON ONE OF THE BUILDINGS WAS SOUGHT AND IT WAS WITHIN THE SETBACK, THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THERE WERE SOME GOOD QUESTIONS FROM, RIGHT.
I THINK I MAY HAVE CLEARED THAT UP, THAT UP THE LAST TIME FOR US, IT JUST MAKES IT EASY.
I THINK AT THAT POINT THEN WHY DON'T WE ENTERTAIN A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD? UM, ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? SO MOVED AS WHAT? POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, NEUTRAL, OR NEUTRAL.
BUT YOU HAVE NINE OR 11 UNLESS THERE'S A, A CONSIDERATION THAT PUSHES YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
RIGHT? SO IT SHOULD WE, I THINK YOUR DETERMINATION WAS THAT SHOULD BE A STRONG CONSIDERATION.
IT'S EITHER GO POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
AREN'T MOST OF THEM EXISTING? NO, THEY'RE NOT EXISTING.
THEY CREATED, WELL, THEY'RE EXISTING BECAUSE IT'S BEING DIVIDED.
THAT'S WHY I THINK, I MEAN, I WOULD VOTE POSITIVE ON THIS BECAUSE, HEY, MURRAY, PLEASE MURRAY, PLEASE.
HE WAS TRYING TO HELP ME BECAUSE, UH, THE REASON WHY I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE AND I THINK, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED.
YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD BE NEUTRAL ON, ON THIS ONE.
I MEAN, IT'S MAKING TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY MORE FINANCIALLY VIABLE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, FOR LEASE.
AND THAT'S A POSITIVE IN THIS CASE FOR, FOR ME AND WITHOUT ANY WITH ZERO IMPACT.
THE, THE OTHER, I WAS GONNA ADD TO THAT BY SAYING A NUMBER OF THE VARIANCES IMPACT ONE ANOTHER NOT OFFSITE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE FOOTPRINT OR TO THE PERIMETER.
IT'S AN INTERIOR LOT LINE THAT'S CREATING THE BULK OF THE VARIANCES.
UH, THE REASON IS IT HAS BEEN, UH, SORT OF DEFINED AND, AND BEEN, UH, JOHANN WORKED ON IT.
WE SHOULD NOT REALLY GIVE POSITIVE UNLESS IT'S A, UH, SOMETHING LAND USE RELATED.
IF IT IS A, UM, TECHNICAL OR A, UH, SIMPLE ACT OF WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING, IT LET THE BOARD TO DECIDE THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THE ZONING BOARD IS, AND THEY COME TO US FOR THE LAND USE.
LET, LET, LET ME THAT, THAT'S THE REASON.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
BUT LET, LET ME, LET ME JUST GO A LITTLE FURTHER.
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THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S A YES OR A NO.
IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS A SUBDIVISION, AFTER THAT WE BELIEVE IN THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH I THINK WE ARE.
OKAY, THEN THE ONLY WAY THE SUBDIVISION CAN HAPPEN IS WITH THOSE VARIANCES.
WHICH IS WHY IT SHOULD BE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION IN MY VIEW.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEW, BUT, BUT I, I, I MEAN I STILL, IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOT.
WE HAVE TO, IT COMES BACK, BACK TO US FOR SUBDIVISION.
WE COULD SAY NO, WE BETTER HAVE A GOOD REASON TO SAY NO.
OR OPEN THE, I THINK HE'S SAYING ON THE APPLICANT'S SIDE.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE NOT GIVING NEGATIVE BECAUSE OKAY.
UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF IT, IF IT IS SOMETHING NEGATIVE IMPACT, YES, WE WILL SAY NEGATIVE.
BUT IN, IN THIS CASE, I THINK, UH, WE, WE ARE, WE SHOULD NOT REALLY.
LET'S DO A STRAW, LET'S DO A STRAW POLL QUICKLY.
I JUST WANNA SAY WE ESTABLISHED STANDARDS BEFORE JUST TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY SO THAT WE WOULDN'T APPEAR TO BE BIASED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO IF, EVEN IF IT'S POSITIVE, TRADITIONALLY WE WOULD STICK WITH NEUTRAL BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS OUT OF THE NORM THAT WOULD HAVE US PUSH IT OVER THE EDGE TO SAY, WE, WE ARE REALLY BEHIND THIS.
OR JUST THE OPPOSITE COULD BE TRUE.
SO IF IT'S RELATIVELY FORMULAIC AND WE'RE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING AND THEY, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE RULES AND REGS, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WERE GONNA STICK WITH NEUTRAL TO BE CONSISTENT RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD.
EXCEPT YOU COULD NOT DO, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY OF DOING THE SUBDIVISION.
IF WE BELIEVE IN THE SUBDIVISIONS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THEN WE NEED TO ADD SOME CLARITY TO THE RULES THAT WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
I'M OKAY WITH, WITH VOTING, UH, POSITIVE.
I'M NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I'M NOT AGAINST IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING UNDERSTAND, BASED ON THE RULES WE ESTABLISHED, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO JUST BE, IT'S A NEW RULE AND IT'S A WRINKLE IN THE RULE WE HADN'T CONSIDERED.
SO I THINK IT'S, SO WHERE ARE, WHERE ARE YOU? I'M OKAY WITH POSITIVE.
AISHA? UM, GONNA HAVE TO VOTE TODAY.
LET THINK ABOUT IT FROM WHAT WAS JUST SAID.
YOUR NEGATIVES, I MEAN NEUTRAL.
NO, NO, I THINK, I THINK I JUST WANT TO ELABORATE THAT TO WHAT, SAY, WHENEVER WE MAKE A SET OF RULES AND GUIDELINES, UH, UNLESS IT IS VERY EXCEPTIONAL SITUATION, WE SHOULD REALLY STICK TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED FOR OURSELF.
AND SO I WILL, WITH, WITH THAT, YES.
I MEAN, I ATTEMPTED TO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY'RE DOING THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF WHAT, AND I DIDN'T GET A CLEAR ANSWER FOR THAT, EXCEPT FOR IT IS A, IT IS EITHER A BUSINESS OR FINANCIAL REASON FOR IT.
AND I DON'T THINK SO WITH THAT.
BUT, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH NOT ENOUGH CLARITY TO MAKE IT A POSITIVE.
AND I THINK IF THERE, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, UH, THE REASON FOR IT, THEN IT WILL COME OUT TO BE OKAY WITH A ZONING BOARD.
SO YOU, SO YOU'RE I'M IS A NEUTRAL.
TO, UH, I'M FEELING POSITIVE, BUT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY AND I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD SAID AS THE CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S A NEW LAW OR A NEW RULE THAT WE'VE SET FOR OURSELVES.
BUT I, I THINK IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NOTHING NOT TO TO LIE.
NOTHING TO OBJECT TO RIGHT OR NOTHING.
SHOULD IT BE THAT HIGH? IS IT CODE CONDITIONAL? IT'S LIKE, IT'S A LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
ALL, THERE'S NO PHYSICAL CHANGES.
'CAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE MAY BE THEY HAVE TWO EMPTY BUILDINGS IN GREENBURG, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE.
SO QUICK QUESTION THEN, FROM MY SIDE, UM, DEPENDING ON, OR THE OUTCOME OF NEUTRAL OR POSITIVE DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT RULES ARE AS FAR AS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH THE SUBDIVISION? NO, NOT AT ALL.
SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE VARIANCES, THEY KNOW HOW WE, AND IT'S NON, IT'S A NON-BINDING RECOMMENDATION.
THE ZONING BOARD CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
WE, THEY JUST ASK US TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AGREED TO ABOUT, I DUNNO, FIVE YEARS AGO NOW.
SO AS SAY, JUST A MINOR POINT OF CORRECTION, I BELIEVE FOR SUBDIVISIONS, UH, A RECOMMENDATION ON VARIANCES IS REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE.
FOR SUBDIVISIONS SPECIFICALLY.
SOMETHING I DON'T
IS IT BINDING? CAN YOU JUST READ THE LANGUAGE? IT'S NOT BINDING.
I WILL HAVE TO FIND THE EXACT LANGUAGE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
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OKAY.PAUL, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO HAVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS? SO MOVED SECOND JOHANN AND THEN TOM.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER THE NEXT MEETING, REVISITING NEUTRAL, POSITIVE, NEGATIVE MEETING CORRESPONDENCE.
I, IF WE HAVE THE TIME, I'D LOVE TO DO POSSIBLE.
WE'LL GET THIS WRAPPED UP AND I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH YOU TOMORROW REGARDING THAT OTHER MATTER.
WHICH HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS IN A COUPLE YEARS.
OH, MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? I THINK, YES.
MY NAME'S WILLIAM SCHNEIDER WITH PSNS ENGINEERING REPRESENTING, UH, 2 79 JACKSON, LLC.
UH, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THE MIC IS ON AT THE STAND? OH, HE'S ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALL.
UH, MY NAME'S WILLIAM SCHNEIDER WITH PS AND S ENGINEERING, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING 2 79, UH, JACKSON AVENUE, LLC.
AND THE CLIENT IS HERE TODAY, MR. SAL OLIVA.
AND, UH, MY ASSOCIATE LAUREN FINNEGAN, A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH OUR COMPANY.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DETAILS TO WORK OUT AT WHICH WE'VE DONE.
UH, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE FOR THE WORK SESSION.
UH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, UH, MATT BRITT, WHO'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH, UH, HELPING US THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST, UH, REAL JOB HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND, UH, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE IS THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY OF YONKERS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, CAME UP LAST TIME AND HOW THE YONKERS WAS DEALING WITH THIS.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, I MAY JUST WANT TO ESTABLISH THAT THE PROJECT COVERS YES.
TWO DIFFERENT, UM, YES, MUNICIPALITIES.
THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY HERE WHO WASN'T HERE LAST.
WELL, FOR ANYONE WATCHING, WE CAN ACTUALLY ON TV TWO, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS EXACTLY WHAT TOM SAID, BUT ALSO EXPLAIN THE, THAT, THAT IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, PROCEDURE IN YONKERS VERSUS WHAT IT IS HERE.
WELL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN YONKERS, AND I WAS, UH, JUST ABOUT TO MENTION BEFORE, THEY HAVE A NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR.
AND HE DID ACTUALLY SPEAK WITH, UH, HE SPOKE WITH OUR OFFICE, RIGHT.
SO THAT THE, THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE IN, UH, DISCUSSION.
BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE CITY OF YONKERS IS THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBDIVISION.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S FOUR LOTS, WHICH WILL BE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILIES.
BUT THEN THERE'S A TINY LITTLE SLIVER OF ROAD, WHICH WILL BE THE SMALLEST STREET IN THE CITY OF YONKERS
UM, I'VE HAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL NAME IT, BUT IT'LL BE A PRIVATE ROAD.
IF I MAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLANS AVAILABLE TO YOU, SHARE.
JUST TO GET, UH, I FORGOT TO MENTION WITH ME AS ONE OF OUR, OUR, ONE OF OUR SENIOR ENGINEERS, AND HE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON ZOOM TODAY.
AND HE, UH, SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THOSE ARE YOU SHARE THE SCREEN IF HE'S TROY.
TROY, WHY DON'T YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF AND, UH, GET READY TO, UH, PRESENT A MINUTE WHEN YOU'RE READY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT LINE THAT, UH, SHOWS THE DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE TWO MUNICIPALITIES AND, UH, OUR CUL-DE-SAC DESIGN THERE.
THAT CUL-DE-SAC DESIGN IS, IS, UH, OF A SIZE TO ACCOMMODATE A FIRE DEPARTMENT APPARATUS, UH, FOR THE CITY OF YONKERS, WHICH WILL BE SERVING, UH, THESE DWELLINGS.
THE DWELLINGS ARE THERE, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED.
THE DWELLINGS ARE THERE STRICTLY FOR PLACEHOLDERS TO, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, WHAT THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UH, ULTIMATELY, AND WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THEM ANYWAY 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN YOHAN.
OUR, OUR ISSUE IS THE DRIVEWAY.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE WHOLE PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
SO IN THE END, THERE'LL BE A SUBDIVISION.
IT'LL JUST BE PROPERTY LINES THERE, AND THAT'LL BE IT.
UH, IT IS PROPOSED TO GET WATER FROM JACKSON AVENUE.
WE'RE GONNA DO AN EXTENSION DOWN THE ROADWAY, UH, ABOVE.
THERE'S A A 48 INCH CULVERT THERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE GOING ABOVE THAT CULVERT AND PROVIDING WATER AND FIRE SERVICE TO THESE HOMES.
SANITARY SEWER WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH LOW PRESSURE FORCE MAINS FOR ONE PER EACH INDIVIDUAL HOME.
AND THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AN EASEMENT THROUGH A PROPERTY IN THE BACK.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HEARTHSTONE ROAD IN THE BACK.
AND THEY'LL BE DISCHARGING TO A CITY OF YONKERS SANITARY SEWER.
AND, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE ARRANGEMENTS ALREADY WITH THAT HOMEOWNER AND THEY HAVE A LEGAL DOCUMENT, WHICH I HAVE HERE, UM, WHICH IS AN EASEMENT, WHICH WILL ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN THERE.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE THE PROJECT AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'VE BEEN DELAYED.
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WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE SANITARY WORK OUT OF JACKSON AVENUE.THAT'S THE LAST PLACE YOU WANT TO BE DOING, UH, A RUN OF A SANITARY SEWER, UH, SINCE WE ALL DRIVE IT AND WE KNOW IT'S ALSO A COUNTY ROAD.
AND, UH, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO FURTHER OUR APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A FEW VARIANCES INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND WE'VE UM, ALSO ADDED SOME LANDSCAPING.
AND I KNOW TROY, DO YOU HAVE THAT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT UP FOR US THAT WAS REQUESTED OF US, UH, WHICH WE DID DO.
AND WE ALSO KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SHEDS THAT WE NEED TO LEGALIZE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE DRAINAGE CULVERT, WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE LEGALIZED BY A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THERE'S SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE ON, ON SITE THAT ARE, I THINK, IN VIOLATION TO, ACCORDING TO OUR, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE MATERIAL STORAGE AREA, THE MATERIAL STORAGE AREAS AS WELL.
SO THAT WILL BASICALLY CONSIST OF A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, RIGHT.
FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S ON HERE.
ULTIMATELY, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO CLEAN EVERYTHING UP.
IT'S, IT'S JUST LEGALLY IN EXISTENCE.
AND ONE THING I'D ASK FOR NEXT TIME.
IF YOU COULD PUT THE EX WHERE YOU ARE IN EXISTING VERSUS THE, THE, UH, VARIANCES WE, WE'VE GOT, UM, PERMITTED AND PROPOSED.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE EXISTING.
WE FUNNY, WE, WE JUST NOTICED WE SPOKE OF THAT BEFORE.
IT HELPS US AN AWFUL LOT WHEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD TO KNOW.
AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE EXISTING IS 50 SOMETHING PERCENT.
AND, AND I THINK OUR INCREASE IS FRACTIONAL, MAYBE BY POINT WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING DEPTH.
OH, I'M SORRY, TROY SAID WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS.
WE HAVE THE TABLE SHOWING THAT ON OUR COVER SHEET, THE EXISTING VERSUS THE PROPOSED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN SUPER DEPTH INTO THE VARIANCES THIS EVENING, BUT WE, WE WILL EXPECT TO HAVE AN UPDATED MEMO FOR THE BENEFIT.
IT JUST HELP, IT REALLY HELPS.
WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD TO, TO KNOW WHAT THE INCREMENTAL IMPACT IS OF, OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND WE DID APPEAR AT THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
THEY ASKED US SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING OUR STORMWATER TREATMENT AND OUR, UH, DETENTION SYSTEM, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, AND OUR JELLYFISH FILTER, WHICH WILL FILTER OUT POLLUTANTS, WHICH WILL THEN DISCHARGE, UH, TO THAT WATERCOURSE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL MEETING.
THEY ALSO ASKED US FOR PLANTS, PARDON? OH.
SOME MORE NATIVE PLANTS, WHICH WE'VE PROVIDED ON OUR PLANTING SCHEDULE.
I SAW THAT IT WAS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITIONS.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD SLOWLY, BUT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
AND, AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVING THE DRAINAGE SITUATION ALONG THAT ROAD WHERE THERE IS NONE NOW.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DESIGNED ROADWAY YET.
YOU'RE DRIVEWAY INCLUDING SOME DRAINAGE MEASURES THAT ARE NOT THERE.
SO BAR NET NET, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE, WILL THERE BE SIGNIFICANT LESS RUNOFF? TROY, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION IN THE MATTER? THERE, THERE ARE REDUCTIONS IN BOTH PEAK FLOW, UH, PEAK FLOW RATE ON THE A HUNDRED, UH, 10 AND ONE YEAR STORM RATES.
AND WE ARE PREPARING A, UM, A SWIFT PLAN.
THERE WAS A CHART AVAILABLE TO THAT EFFECT THAT COULD BE SIMPLIFIED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD.
WE CAN DO THAT RATHER THAN THE, THE FULL BOOK.
WE JUST DID THAT FOR FANTASTIC.
AND SHOW OUR PERCENT REDUCTIONS.
THE ONE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THE RETAINING WALLS, HOW HIGH ARE THE RETAINING WALLS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING? UH, WE DID ACTUALLY LOWER THEM.
SO I THINK WE HAVE ONE AT 7.5.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE MAXIMUM? YEAH, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM.
AND IS IT, RECALL THERE IS FENCING ON TOP OF THAT, TOP OF THAT WALL OR NO? UM, FIVE FEET BEHIND THE BACK OF THE WALL.
SEVEN FEET FROM BASE OF THE WALL.
THERE'LL BE A SIX FOOT HIGH, UH, WOOD FENCE FOR JUST SCREENING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? OKAY.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A COMMENT, I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE CHAIR BROUGHT IT UP.
JUST SMART IN THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO, UM, INDICATING THAT AT THE TIME OF THEIR REVIEW, THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALL WAS NOT DEFINED.
SO THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT.
IN, IN ANY UPDATE ON THE PROCESS, WE PROVIDED THAT.
JUST CONFIRMING, I BELIEVE YOU NEEDED TO GET A PERMISSION FROM ON THE YONKERS SIDE FOR AN EASEMENT ACROSS CERTAIN PROPERTIES, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT.
TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE A COPY OF THE EASEMENT IN MY HAND IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE SANITARY SEWER ACROSS THAT PROPERTY.
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CUL-DE-SAC.IT'S, IT'S OPEN IN THE MIDDLE.
WHAT IS THE MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE USED THERE? UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A GRASS AREA, CORRECT? TROY? YEAH.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, SPECIFYING A NATIVE KNOW ABOUT RED, UH, FE THROUGH GRASS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, I THINK, NO.
I MEAN, SINCE WE'VE LAST SEEN THE PLAN, THINK IT'S BETTER, BETTER BEEN QUITE A FEW IMPROVEMENTS.
IMPROVEMENTS IN THE LAST TIME.
AND GOOD TO GET THAT SITE ALL LEGALIZED FINALLY.
AND WE HAD A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE WANTED THAT FIRST, BUT WE NEED TO GET A DENTAL TOGETHER AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
WHAT KIND OF SIGN GOING BE FOR THIS? UH, WHAT, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
PARDON ME? IT IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT, UH, WHAT KIND OF SIGNS WOULD BE AT THE ENTRANCE OF, UH, SUBDIVISION? I BELIEVE IT'S JUST A DRIVEWAY.
IT WILL BE A DRIVEWAY FOR THE, THE FOUR RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS AND OKAY.
UH, MAYBE BE A STREET SIGN? WE'LL, CERTAIN WE CAN, YOU HAVE TO NAME THE DRIVEWAY, BUT WE'LL KNOW, WE'LL TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WHAT'S THE SLOPE OF THAT? UH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY STEEP.
UH, TROY, CAN YOU GIVE US, UM, THE SLOPES ON THAT ROAD? YEAH, I BELIEVE IT GETS TO A MAXIMUM OF 10%.
IT'S ALLOWED, BUT THAT'S THE MAX.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU DO IT A LITTLE LESS BECAUSE IT'S A, NOT ONLY THAT YOU ARE COMING DOWN VERY STEEP, BUT YOU ARE MAKING A TURN AND, UH, MIGHT HAVE A BLIND SPOT.
PEOPLE COMING, GOING OUT AND THEN COMING IN AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO HIT GO ACROSS OTHER SIDE.
WE, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OF, UH, THE SITE DISTANCES WITH THE VERTICAL PROFILE AND ALSO THE HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT.
UM, AND WE ARE COMING OFF OF JACKSON AVENUE, 2%, UM, USING A VERTICAL CURVE INTO 10%, 10.
AND THEN, UH, REVERSING THAT INTO A 4% GOING UP AS YOU GO INTO THE CULDESAC.
SO, UM, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE TURN, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE SORT OF BOTTOMING OUT.
IT'LL BE AT A 2% SLOPE AT THAT STOP SIGN PULLING IN FOR ABOUT 50 FEET BEFORE IT STEEPENS UP.
HOW FAR IS THAT CURB CUT FROM THE ENTRANCE TO, TO THE NURSERY? UH, TO THE ONE JUST DOWN.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO, LIKE TO KNOW.
DO YOU, ARE YOU ALLOWED A LEFT TURN OUT OF THE NURSERY NOW IN JACKSON? YES.
ALSO OUT OF MY OWN PERSONAL DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
AND THAT ROAD EXISTS NOW, YOUR PERSONAL DRIVEWAY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, OTHER SIDE OF THE NURSERY, RIGHT? YES.
I MEAN, THAT'S USED FOR TRAFFIC FOR THE NURSERY, RIGHT? FOR YOUR TRUCK WORK TRUCKS AND THINGS.
SO IT'S NOT, SO IT'S NOT ADDING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T NEVER THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE, GUYS? ALL RIGHT, BILL.
WELL, ONE THING WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT IS, UH, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO CLEAR OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY, GIVEN THAT YONKERS IS JUST ADMINISTRATIVE.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY AND SEE HER.
WELL, IF I MIGHT ADD, MOVE THAT SUBDIVISION DOES HAVE TO GO TO THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR APPROVAL AT THAT.
ALL SUBDIVISIONS END UP GOING THERE.
SO WE, THEY'RE USED TO US BEING A LEAD AGENCY.
SO I MOVE THAT WE DECLARE, OR THAT WE DECLARE OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
WESTCHESTER WANTS TO FIGHT THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU BACK AFTER THE 30 DAY PERIOD.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ALL THE WAY FROM BEACON NEW YORK.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A, WHEN I SAW IT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN, I THOUGHT IT WAS A TYPO WHEN I SAW IT ON THESE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, YOU HAVE TO BE, ACTUALLY, YOU COULD BE HERE WITH THE MIC, BUT IT, I BELIEVE I DO.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING THE MIC DOWN.
MATT, CAN YOU SHARE THE SCREEN WITH THE PLANS? IT'S ON MY THUMB DRIVE, WHICH IS IN MY DESK.
THAT'S A NEW BUSINESS, RIGHT? WE'RE GOOD.
I DIDN'T, I GOT
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IT WAS 38% ON LAPTOP AND MY CHARGER.HANG ON, WE'RE PULLING IT UP FOR YOU.
THIS IS, UH, WE'RE REVISITING A SUBDIVISION, UM, THAT YOU HAD GRANTED LAST YEAR, LAST SEPTEMBER ACTUALLY.
UM, IT WAS, UH, GRANTED AS A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION, A MERGER OF THREE TAX LOTS, UH, IN CONTEMPLATION OF A SALE, UH, TO, UH, SOMEONE TO A CONTRACT VANEE WHO DECIDED NOT TO GO THROUGH WITH THE SALE.
UM, SO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, THE CHOWS, ARE NOW, UH, LOOKING TO CREATE A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION RATHER THAN HAVE IT AS A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION AND MARKET IT FOR SALE.
THEY HAVE NOT SOLD IT TO ANYONE YET.
UM, THE, UH, UH, BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, WHEN WE FIRST CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, MERGING THE LOTS, WE WERE CONSIDERING BOTH A ONE AND A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
UH, AND I ACTUALLY HAD, UH, ELLIOT PREPARE, UM, UH, FOR YOU GUYS, UM, DRAFTS OF BOTH, OF SKETCHES OF, FOR BOTH.
AND, UH, ULTIMATELY WHEN WE FILED THE APPLICATION, UH, AFTER THE PRELIMINARY, UH, SUBMISSION CONFERENCE, WE WENT WITH THE ONE LOT SUBDIVISION, BUT NOW WE'RE BACK WITH THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT DRAWING WAS ACTUALLY THE DRAWING, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE PRELIMINARY BACK IN JULY OF 22.
UH, DOES HE GET RESIDUALS FOR USING THAT ONE AGAIN? YOU KNOW, I'M SURE ELLIOT DON'T WORRY ABOUT ELLIOT.
YEAH, HE, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS USEFUL THAT I WAS ABLE TO PULL IT OUT, YOU KNOW,
UM, THE WRINKLE HERE IS THAT, UM, IT'S NO LONGER A FLAG LOT.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, YOU THE, UH, DRIVEWAY UNDER THE CODE, UNDER THE, UH, CHAPTER TWO 50 HAS TO BE A ROAD IMPROVED, SUITABLY IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
UH, AND, UH, THIS HAS BEEN DONE, UH, IN OTHER PLACES IN GREENBURG.
AND, UH, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE ONE THAT MADE THAT WAS THE CLOSEST MODEL TO THIS, UH, WAS, UH, ONE THAT, UH, ELLIOT WORKED ON WITH ON VAN COT AVENUE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE.
UH, TERE, THAT'S THE TEER BALL.
WELL, BUT I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANY EXTENSION.
I WANNA GET THIS DONE BECAUSE THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST MODEL.
BUT THE, WHAT WAS CUR WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT IT WAS, OKAY, SO IT'S, IT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND, AND, UH, IT WAS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION RATHER THAN A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
BUT IT'S A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND, AND, UH, UH, IT REQUIRED VARIANCES.
UM, BECAUSE THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS REALLY FOR THE, UM, STREET FRONTAGE, UH, NOT FOR THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'LL DISCUSS THAT IN A SECOND.
IT'S REALLY THE STREET FRONTAGE, UH, THE CODE REQUIRES 25 FOOT MINIMUM ON EACH LOT.
UH, UH, AND BY DOING IT THIS WAY, OR THE WAY ELLIOT HAS PROPOSED WITH THAT SORT OF Y SHAPED CONFIGURATION, UM, YOU WOULD IN EFFECT, UM, OR THE ZONING BOARD WOULD BE IN EFFECT ASKED TO, TO, FOR A VARIANCE TO REDUCE IT FROM 25 REQUIRED TO 20 ZERO.
ACTUALLY, IT'S, OH, IT'S REALLY 20 ZERO.
BUT, BUT, UH, THE WAY THE ZONING BOARD, WHEN THEY GAVE THEIR APPROVALS FOR THAT, THEY SAID, WELL, TECHNICALLY 25 TO ZERO BECAUSE THE FRONTAGE IS, IS IS REALLY ON CLAYTON IN THIS OR THE, THE ROAD IN THIS CASE.
BUT IT'S A PRACTICAL MATTER BECAUSE THE, UH, THE, THE 25 TO ZERO FRONTAGE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOT THE ROAD WIDTH ON THE ROAD.
BUT THE, BUT THE ACTUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRACTICAL MATTER BECAUSE IT'S A, A PRIVATE ROAD IMPROVED TO DOWN STANDARDS, WHICH IS 20 FEET.
UH, IT'S REALLY GOING FROM 25 TO 20.
UH, BUT FOR THE, IF, IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TODAY TREATS IT THE SAME WAY AS IT WAS DONE FOR, FOR TE BOW THEN, WHICH IS ONLY THREE YEARS AGO, UH, UH, THEN IT WOULD BE A 25 TO ZERO.
OR HE MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, 25 TO 20.
UM, EITHER WAY YOU'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE.
AND HOW, HOW LONG IS THE ROAD? IS THAT THE SECTION BEFORE IT TEES? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
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UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW.IT, IT'S SET, SET BACK PRETTY FAR.
I THINK WE HAD 200 SOME ODD, 2 72 4.
UH, UH, THE IDEA OF PUTTING IN A TWO LANE, 26 FOOT WIDE ROAD I AGREE, WOULD, WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
PLUS YOU HAVE A LOT OF ROCK GOING THROUGH THERE TOO.
ROCKING TREES, LOTS OF REASONS.
IT'S THE LOSS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WOULD REALLY BE, UH, HARMFUL.
AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE IN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS A NUMBER OF SHARED DRIVEWAYS ALREADY.
UH, UH, SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, THE, THE LEAST IMPACTFUL WAY OF DOING IT.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE WIDER THAN A DRIVEWAY.
UH, ELLIOT'S, UH, SUGGESTION IS THAT IT'D BE NOT A SUGGESTION.
HE, HE PROPOSES THAT IT'D BE A 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY.
NOW WE GET, BECAUSE THAT'S, I KNOW ELLIOT SPOKE TO ME EARLIER TODAY.
I KNOW YOU HAD ASKED FOR, I DID THE CODE PROVISION AND THE, HE PROVIDED THAT, HE PROVIDED IT TO ME AS WELL.
THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ALTER, THEY ALLOW FOR ALTERNATIVES OTHER THAN CUL-DE-SACS I 20 THREAT.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPROACH LIKE THIS WITH A, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU NEED A 20 FOOT ACCESS ROAD OKAY.
SO, UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UH, GET GUIDANCE FROM YOU.
'CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO FILE THIS APPLICATION AND UH, UH, WE WOULD THEN, UM, NEED, UH, UH, TO, TO SEEK VARIANCES.
I ASSUME THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, ONCE WE FILE THE APPLICATION, WILL ISSUE A MEMO SAYING, YOU'RE GONNA NEED VARIANCES.
WE'LL GET HIS OPINION, WHETHER IT'S 25 TO 20 OR 25 TO ZERO, HE'LL DECIDE.
AND THEN WE WILL GO TO, THAT'S, THAT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AND, UH, WE WILL ASK FOR THE VARI VARIANCE, BUT WE, WE WILL NEED TO ASK HIM, 'CAUSE IT'S A SUBDIVISION REQUEST.
ASK FOR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU GUYS.
WHAT DID HE SAY? WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE LOT I HAVE? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE LOT? AND I THINK IF ELLIOT PUTS A, UH, ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING OR THE HOUSE, THAT GOING TO BE, WOULD BE MORE EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
HE HAS TO PUT THAT, HE HAS TO PUT IN PROFORMA HOUSES FOR EACH.
THE LOT SIZES ARE, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, 41, 30 4,000 ON ONE 40, ALMOST 42,000 ON THE OTHER IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S YOU NEED 30,000, 30,000.
SO ELLIOT WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IN A PROFORMA ON EACH FOR THE PLAN.
ONLY THIS TIME IT'S TWO HOUSES.
UH, AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TO DO.
UM, AND, UH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY COUPLE OF QUESTIONS YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I KNOW THAT WAS A DOG WALKING PATH.
IS THERE ANY OTHER REASON FOR THAT RIGHT OF AWAY? NO, UH, WELL, THERE, THERE HISTORICALLY, UM, THE HISTORY, IT IS AN UNUSUAL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAT GIVES ACCESS, UH, TO THE, UH, OWNER OF PROPERTY ON, UH, UNDERHILL.
UM, AND IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS THAT ALLOWS THEM TO WALK THEIR DOG ALL THE WAY UP TO CLAYTON, UM, THROUGH THE ACCESS STRIP, THROUGH THE TWO, THROUGH THESE TWO LOTS, OR THROUGH ONE OF THE LOTS.
ANYWAY, UM, THE, UH, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WHEN THESE LOTS WERE ORIGINALLY CREATED BACK IN, UH, UM, TWENTIES, 1950, WELL, NO, THESE, THESE TWO LOTS WERE CREATED IN 1953, THE, UH, UH, THE GUY WHO CREATED THE LOTS WANTED THEM DEVELOP RESIDENTIALLY, BUT THEY WERE LANDLOCKED.
UH, SO THAT WAS THE, THE ACCESS STRIP HAD TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO CLAYTON, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, FOR PURPOSE OF THE ACCESS STRIP, THEY NEEDED TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER LINE.
AND THE SEWER LINE IN THOSE DAYS WAS ON UNDERHILL AND IT WAS DOWNHILL.
SO THE IDEA WAS IF YOU WOULD HAVE A SEWER LINE RUNNING DOWNHILL THROUGH THAT PROPERTY THAT CAN ON UNDERHILL, THEN THE QUID PRO QUO FOR GRANTING THEM THE SEWER LINE WAS THE RIGHT TO WALK THE DOG ON CLAYTON.
BUT IS THERE A SEWER LINE GOING THROUGH THERE NOW? NO, BUT IT'S STILL, STILL IN THE D DEED.
BUT THERE'S NOT A NEED TO UTILIZE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN PULL THE SEWER OUT TO CLAYTON THESE DAYS.
THAT WHEN WE GOT THE ONE LAST SUBDIVISION, THE SEWER CONNECTION IS ON ABOUT THE CLAIM.
YOU STILL HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM DEVELOPING THAT RIGHT AWAY UNLESS YOU GOT THE WHOLE THING TAKEN OFF.
DO THEY, THE, THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, OH, TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE, THE, THE, IT DOESN'T IMPEDED THE RIGHT
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OF WAY IS A 10 WIDE SWATH OF RIGHT.AND, AND WHAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN, I, I SUSPECT I KNOW IS THAT THEY'RE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE THEHOW TO GET RID RID, TO GET RID OF THE RIGHTAWAY.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE IT SO THAT, SO THEY CAN OKAY.
SO THAT THE PROPERTY OFF, WELL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO HOUSES.
IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE LOTS AREN'T ULTIMATELY SOLD, THEY, THEY, BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT THEY HAVE TO WORK OUT.
AND, AND THEY'RE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THEY, HOW THEY DO THE, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN, WHO HAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY THINK IT'S VERY INVALUABLE TO THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, PUT A POOL THERE, THEY CAN SWIM ON THEIR WAY THROUGH THE DOG.
HOW ABOUT THE TUNNEL? HOW ABOUT THE TUNNEL UNDERNEATH? SO THEY DON'T HAVE
AND THEY, AND, AND SO THE CHOWS ARE RESPECTING IT.
AND, UH, I THINK FOR, FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, WHO WANTS TO BUY THAT, THE CLOSER IT IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE BETTER IT IS TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE EASEMENT ARE PERFECTLY OKAY WITH MOVING IT.
SO AS LONG AS THEY CAN WALK, AS LONG AS THEY CAN GO GO, OR THEY COULD DOG TO BRIGHTEN, THEY'RE HAPPY.
UH, AND, AND, UH, SO RATHER THAN HAVING BISECT THE PROPERTY RIGHT, AS IT CURRENTLY DOES, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA, IS AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE TO MOVE, HEY, SORRY, CAN YOU, UH, YEAH, YOU, YOU WERE MOVING A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU COULD.
THERE'S AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE TO MOVE THE, UH, EASEMENT TO THE, UH, TO THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
ONE THING THAT MIGHT HELP THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TRANSITION INTO A MORE FORMAL APPLICATION, PARTICULARLY WITH THE NEW CONTEMPLATED ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SOME EXPLORATION OF, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ROCK REMOVAL.
AND YOU REQUIRED THAT THE LAST TIME WE DID.
SO I, I ASSUME YOU REQUIRE IT THIS TIME.
AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER, UH, IT SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS FILED OR WHETHER WE FILE THE APPLICATION, GET YOUR INPUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INPUT.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY DID THE, SO THE, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE TESTING AND I THINK THEY DID IT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU KNOW, ALL OVER DID, DID BORING SAW? I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY ON THE ONE AREA.
I THOUGHT THOUGHT ELLIOT CITED THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IN THAT ONE LOCATION BECAUSE OF IT'S ADVANTAGES.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE OTHER SIDE HAS THOSE.
I, BUT I THINK THEY, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, WHAT WAS THE TESTS THAT WERE DONE? I THINK THEY DID, UH, UH, MORE THAN JUST THOSE.
THEY, THEY, THEY EXPLORED DIFFERENT AREAS.
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO FILE WITH THE APPLICATION.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GETTING FEEDBACK HERE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS INITIAL CONFERENCE.
I'LL JUST, AND I'LL HAVE ELLIOT, IT'LL SAVE YOU TIME.
WE'RE GONNA ASK ABOUT IT ANYWAY, SO WHY I HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO WHAT I, WHAT WE'LL DO IS I'LL GIVE ELLIOT INSTRUCTION TO DO THE SOIL BORING TESTS FOR THE PROFORMA HOUSES SO THAT THAT ISSUE IS ADDRESSED BEFORE WE SUBMIT AND CITE THE, AND I ASSUME HE IS GONNA CITE THE HOUSES AND THE APPLICATION TOO.
THE ONE THING WE UNDERSTAND THEIR PRO FORMA HOUSES, BUT WHAT WE ARE GONNA WANT TO SEE ON THE PLANS AND WHICH PROBABLY DONE ON THE PRIOR TEST, IS THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
BECAUSE WHILE THE HOUSE MAY BE SHIFTED OR REORIENTED MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THERE'S SLOPE AND ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVALS.
A LIMITED DISTURBANCE GIVING A REASONABLY SIZED YARD OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A POOL POOL DOWN THE ROAD OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
I I THINK ELLIOT ELLIOT, WE'LL WORK WITH ELLIOT.
I'LL TELL, TELL, WELL, I'LL DISCUSS IT WITH HIM.
BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THAT BASE BEFORE WE SUBMIT, PLEASE.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THING, THIS IS GONNA END, END UP GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ON, ON HOW TO HANDLE THE VARIANCES IN THIS.
I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY, I I AGREE WITH YOU.
I WOULD NOT WANT THE, A, A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY TO ME WOULD BE MUCH MORE PREFERABLE THAN MAKING THIS A STREET.
WELL, WAIT, WAIT, LET ME, LET ME, UM, ON THAT NOTE, LET ME, LET ME DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT.
BECAUSE THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN ON, UH, IN SECTION TWO 50, IT SPECIFIES WHAT, UH, IS REQUIRED, UM, THAT, UH, AND REMEMBER IT'S, THIS PART IS IN TWO 50, SO IT'S NOT PART OF THE ZONING CODE, IT'S PART OF THE SUBDIVISION RANK.
IT SPECIFIES THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT SHOULD COME WITH A ROAD SUITABLY APPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS AND IDENTIFIES ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT THEN IT SAYS, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE INVOLVED, AND, AND THAT MEANS YOU DON'T WAIVE ANYTHING THAT SAY THE FIRE DISTRICT IS GONNA WANT AND YOU DON'T WAIVE ANYTHING THAT, UH, SAY
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DPW MAY SAY IS NEEDED.SO ALONG THOSE LINES, THE FIRST THING THAT UH, UH, WE DID WAS, UH, HAVE A MEETING WITH, UH, SOME DPW REPRESENTATIVES.
THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN IT TO US YET.
AND I NOTICED THAT IN THE TAVR BOW, UH, APPROVAL THAT YOU GUYS DID, UM, IT WAS A PROFORMA APPROVAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT RECITED THE PROVISION OF THE SUBDIVISION REG ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF A TOWN ROAD SUITABLY IMPROVED WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS WITH THE PROVISION THAT THEY MAY BE WAIVED
IN OTHER WORDS, IT DIDN'T TELL US WHAT WAS WAIVED OR WHETHER ANYTHING WAS WAIVED.
AND SO ULTIMATELY THEY GOT A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE PAVEMENT WITH DOWN THE 20 FEET.
AND, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE WAIVER SECTION.
NO, UH, THEY GOT A WAIVER ON THE STREET, ON THE FRONTAGE, BUT THEY DID, THERE, THERE IS NO CODE PROVISION THAT SPECIFIES THE ROAD WIDTH.
THE ROAD WIDTH, UH, IS IS, I BELIEVE IN THE, AM I, AM I MISTAKEN, AARON? WELL, IT SAYS LESS THAN 26 FEET.
SO IF WE LOOK 50 12, 2 50 DASH 12 ONE.
TWO 50 IS THE SUBDIVISION REG.
IT IS NOT THE ZONING CODE, THE ZONING CODE IS CHAPTER 2 7 2 85 85.
AND SO I LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THERE IS A ROAD WITH SPEC IN THE, IN CHAPTER 2 85 AND THERE ISN'T.
SO THAT'S WHY I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A ZONING MATTER NOT BEING IN THE ZONING THAT'S SO WE CAN WAIT, WE CAN YOU GET TO WAIVE IT.
THE, ITS WAY TWO 50 IS SET UP.
THAT'S A, UH, A PLANNING BOARD DISCRETIONARY DECISION.
DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY, HOW MANY STREETS IN GREENBERG WITH A NONCONFORMING TO DOWN STANDARD
BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S EIGHT, IT'S AGE MONTH.
MY STREET START WITH MY STREET.
WELL I, I THINK IF IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, THERE ARE OTHER PARTS TOO, BUT EDGEMONT, OLD EDGEMONT PARTICULARLY HAS A LOT.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SO UNSAFE.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT CODE PROVISION, I THOUGHT IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE IT GIVES THE PLANNING BOARD THE DISCRETION YEAH.
TO, TO WAIVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THAT IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CREATE A SHARED DRIVEWAY IN EFFECT ON, UH, SO LONG AS IT'S SAFE, IT DOESN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FIRE DISTRICT ISSUE.
AND SO LONG AS DPW IS OKAY WITH IT.
ONE, THE OTHER THING I WOULD DO IS I TALK TO GREENVILLE BEFORE WE GET THE APPLICATION AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET SOME COMMENTS IN THEM ABOUT THIS, THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AN ISSUE WITH THEM.
NO, I, WELL THEY, EVERYBODY'S SUBJECT TO THE SAME STATE RULE ON 20 FEET.
NO, BUT, BUT STILL IT'S GOOD TO YOU GET THE, THE MESSIAH OFF.
I, I'LL TALK, I'M GONNA TALK TO ELLIOT ABOUT THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE CHIEF IS OKAY.
I MEAN, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT, WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS, WE'VE LEARNED THIS.
NOBODY, THESE FIRE TRUCKS NEVER TURN AROUND.
THEY'LL JUST GO UP AND BACK OUT.
THE ONE THING YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO IS PUT A HYDRANT SOMEWHERE UP THERE.
UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, THERE WAS NO HYDRANT REQUIREMENT FOR THE ONE LOT SUBDIVISION, WHICH I ASSUME MEANT, UH, BECAUSE NO ONE EVER RAISED IT.
THE FIRE DISTRICT DIDN'T RAISE IT, THAT THERE IS A HYDRANT ON CLAYTON, WHICH IS SUFFICIENT DISTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LONG HOSE.
THAT'S SOME, THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT'S WHY SHE HAD WE'LL ASK, WE'LL ASK THEM.
BUT WE SAID WE DID, WE'VE GOTTEN SMARTER SINCE THE LAST TIME.
BOB, YOU KNOW,
IT WAS COVID, IT WAS A POST COVID SITUATION.
UH, MAYBE, BUT IT DOESN'T HURT TO ASK THEM.
AND, AND IF YOU DON'T UPFRONT WHEN WE CIRCULATE THE FORMAL APPLICATION, WE DO ANYWAY.
AND WE'LL GET THEIR FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME, I DON'T THINK IS THERE FOR ANYBODY IF WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU COULD, WE WANNA GET THIS DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, PLEASE.
UM, SO THE SOONER WE CAN GET ALL THIS STUFF, THESE ELEMENTS PUT IN, UM, SO WE WILL, UH, JUST TO SUM UP, WE WILL, UH, I'LL HAVE ELLIOT DRAW, SUBMIT A DRAWING WITH THE APP THAT HAS THE PROFORMA HOUSES, THAT HAS THE, UH, SOIL BORINGS THAT HAS THE TREE CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, AND THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE AND THEN THE, THE SLOPE ISSUES, UM, THAT HE HAS TO ANALYZE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
AND UH, UM, WHICH HE WOULD'VE, WHICH HE WOULD'VE DONE THE LAST TIME ANYWAY.
JUST TO DO IT FOR THE TWO LOT.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT, SO THEY'RE NOT BLINDSIDED BY THIS.
UH, AND, AND UH, COULD THEY, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REDO THE DRAWING IF THEY HAVE
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AN ISSUE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, AND WE'LL SUBMIT IT AND THEN IT'LL COME BEFORE YOU, THIS BOARD.AND WHEN IT DOES, WE WILL ASK FOR, AT THAT POINT, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
I GUESS YOU WILL NOT, YOU CANNOT ACT ON IT UNTIL WE GET THE VARIANCES.
WELL, WILL, WILL PROBABLY BE THE LEAD AGENT.
WE'RE GENERALLY ON THE SUBDIVISION OF LEAD AGENCY, SO RIGHT.
AND THEN, BUT I WANT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECOMMENDATION GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD SO WE CAN THEN APPLY FOR THAT.
AND I ASSUME IN TERMS OF PROCESS, THAT ONCE THE APPLICATION IS FILED AND IT GOES TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, HE WILL THEN ISSUE HIS MEMO AS TO WHAT VARIANCE IS THAT WELL, WHAT, WHAT'LL HAPPEN? HE HE'LL ISSUE THE VARIANCE.
SO FOR TWO THINGS, ONE, WE NEED TO DECLARE OURSELVES.
SO IT'S 30 DAYS AFTER THAT, THEN BEFORE YOU EVEN GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND YOU CAN PLAN IT OUT.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO, TO DO A, A DECK OR A DECLARATION DID SEEK DETERMINATION.
BEFORE WE DON'T SEND ANYTHING TO THE, TO THE ZONING BOARD WITHOUT THE, SO YOU'VE DONE THAT.
WE TYPICALLY DO IT THE SAME NIGHT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THINK WE GOTTA WORK THAT OUT FIRST.
THE ONE OTHER THING I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE DOGS.
MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT
IT'S NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE STANDING ON THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SO SURE THEY HAVE FOUR LEGS.
THEY HAVE MORE STANDING, MORE STANDING REST POSSIBLY.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING.
UM, UH, AND THIS MAY, THERE MAY BE OTHERS DOWN THE LINE.
THIS, THERE MAY BE OTHERS IN THAT NE OTHER, OTHER VACANT LAND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE STRANGE COVENANTS AND DEEDS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU FIND THEM THAT I, THAT I KNOW, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW THAT YOU DO DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER WHEN I BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, UH, THAT WAS FROM THE TWENTIES.
I HAD TO, RIGHT BEFORE WE CLOSED THE, THE CLOSING WAS DELAYED BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT THERE WAS A DOWRY INTEREST IN THE HOUSE IN THE THIRTIES
WE HAD TO RELIEVE A DOWRY INTEREST IN THE THIRTIES.
HOW ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A BIG, UH, BIG HOUSES AND ONE OF THEM HAS A TENNIS COURT OR SOMETHING.
WELL, THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE DEALT WITH LAST TIME.
WE DID, WE ASKED THE NEIGHBOR, WILL YOU CONSENT TO, TO, TO ADJUST THE LOT LINE TO CURE YOUR PROBLEM? RIGHT.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WELL, I ASKED, I ASKED SEVERAL TIMES AND THEY SAID NO.
DID SOMEBODY FINALLY MOVE INTO, TO THE POOL HOUSE OR NO? OH YEAH.
WAS THERE ALREADY THOSE WERE, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WOULDN'T CONSENT THE GIFTS THAT THE OPPORTUNITY'S.
THEIR LAW LINE IS YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT.
I THINK THEY ACQUIESCED AFTER A WHILE, DIDN'T THEY? IS THERE NO, NO.
THEY DOUBLED DOWN AND SAID DOUBLE DOWN.
NO, THEY'RE AGE MONTH PEOPLE REALLY DON'T WANT.
THAT'S WHAT I STICK IT TO, TO MICS PLEASE.