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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS *DRAFT* AGENDA THURSDAY, April 18, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. ]
ALL RIGHT.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
CHAIRPERSON EVE BUNTING SMITH.
AND PROFESSOR PAULINE MOSLEY PRESENT.
THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, AND TODAY IS APRIL 18TH, 2024.
WE HAVE SIX CASES THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, HOWEVER, CASE 2320, I'M SORRY.
14 IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY CASE 2332.
OH, AND BY THE WAY, THAT THAT IS HARTSDALE GREENHOUSES.
JUSTIN AND ELIZABETH LEE TO BLUEBERRY ROAD, THAT APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION AND CASE 2335, WHICH IS NESTOS OR PERONE THAT ALSO REQUEST AN ADJOURNMENT AS OF RIGHT TO MAY 15TH, 2024 MEETING PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ZONING BOARD HAS OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, MAY 16TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AS USUAL, IF WE CANNOT COMPLETE HEARING ANY CASE TONIGHT, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO HOPEFULLY BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.
ALSO, AS IS USUAL, TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH HOUSE, FOR EACH CASE, SORRY.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET IN THIS ROOM TO DISCUSS THE CASES WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
EVERYONE HERE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE AT THAT TIME.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS, WE COME BACK TO ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION ON FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND FOR IT TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU MUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE IN THE ROOM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR PREFERRED, YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
IF YOU'RE NOT A NAMED APPLICANT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY ON SOME OF THESE CASES AT PRIOR MEETINGS.
ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.
SO THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR TONIGHT IS CASE 2332, WHERE JUSTIN AND ELIZABETH LEE, THAT IS TO BLUEBERRY HILL IRVINGTON HAVE REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? GO AHEAD, CHRISY.
OH, UH, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION, UM, FOR CASE NUMBER 2332 BE WITHDRAWN.
THE NEXT CASE THAT WE NEED TO HEAR TONIGHT IS CASE 24 0 2.
I AM THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, AND MRS. ZE IS WITH ME AS WELL ONLINE.
UH, PREVIOUSLY WE WERE ASKED TO CONSULT ABOUT THE, UM, THE CHOICE OF ARBOR BITTY AS AN OPTION VERSUS THE PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO FENCING.
UH, IN CONSULTATION WITH AARON SCHMIDT OF THE, UH, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE.
WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF USING GREEN GIANT ARBOR, IE.
AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT TO THE SMALLER VARIETY OF THE EMERALD GREEN ARBOR, IE.
SO WE AGREED WITH THEIR ASSESSMENT.
UM, YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE RECEIVED SOME LETTERS OR EMAILS FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHO ALL HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A FENCE PUT UP.
UH, AND, UH, I MYSELF HAVE TRIED TO CONTACT THE NEIGHBOR IN QUESTION WHO, IF I MAY SHARE MY SCREEN.
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HERE ADJACENT TO MRS. ARY, UM, I'VE TRIED TO CONTACT HER, BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVE MOVED TO FLORIDA.THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY, AS WE HAD REPORTED, WERE TRYING TO SELL THE HOUSE.
I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO SELL IT PRIVATELY, SO IT WAS NOT LISTED.
NOW, APPARENTLY, THEY, FROM WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO.
SO, UH, MRS. EARY ACTUALLY DID RUN INTO THEM.
UM, I, I HAD TRIED TO CONTACT THEM AND THEY HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM.
THEY WERE NOTIFIED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE SEEKING THIS CHANGE.
AND, UH, MRS. ZEPI DID RUN INTO THEM, BUT THEY WERE HERE STRICTLY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR'S HUSBAND, UH, HIS MOTHER APPARENTLY DIED.
AND SO SHE DID NOT FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THAT POINT TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH THEM.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT MAY BE HEARSAY, BUT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID THEY DID SPEAK WITH HER AND SHE HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS CHANGE AS WELL.
BUT YOU'VE NOT OFFICIALLY HEARD.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MR. DUANE HAS HEARD FROM 'EM, BUT HE'S NOT.
UH, SO OUR, OUR REQUEST IS THAT INSTEAD OF DOING FENCING, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING STOCKADE FENCE HERE IN THE BACK.
WE'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE, GOING FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE FRONT THAT WE WOULD DO THIS WITH A GREEN BORDER.
UM, THE OTHER NEIGHBORS AROUND ACROSS THE STREET ALL HAVE A GREEN SHRUB BORDER.
UM, AND NO ONE ACTUALLY ON THE STREET HAS A FENCE OF ANY SORT IN THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS OUR REQUEST THAT WE HAVE.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
THE IMAGE, WHAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
DO WHAT WE SEE, DOES THAT REPRESENT WHAT WILL BE THERE? OR IS THAT JUST A, UH, A BOX? YES, THAT, THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY HOW BIG THESE WOULD GET.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATIVELY SMALL.
UM, THEY SAY THEY MAXED, UH, MR. SCHMIDT HAD SAID, ADVISED THAT, UM, THEY ONLY GROW THE THREE TO FOUR FEET IN WIDTH.
WE HAVE A, UM, A THREE FOOT BORDER BETWEEN US AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, AND THEY MAX OUT AT 10 TO 15 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THIS IS APPROXIMATELY THAT SIZE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT UNDER, BUT THAT'S ABOUT, ABOUT THE SIZE THEY WOULD END UP BEING.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MASSIVE SHRUBS, DO THEY? AND CERTAINLY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND DO THEY REQUIRE TRIMMING IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THEM AS THEY LIVE? UH, I THINK ANYBODY COULD.
CERTAINLY ANY LIVING PLANT DOES GET SOME TRIMMING OF SOME SORT, BUT THEY GENERALLY STAY FAIRLY COMPACT.
BUT OF COURSE YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAINTAIN THEM AND TRIM 'EM AS NEEDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE PLANTED TOO CLOSE, THEY GET BROWN AREAS, SO YOU TRIM THOSE OUT.
UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY HARDY SPECIES AND THEY, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY LOW MAINTENANCE.
UM, ONE QUESTION THAT HAD BEEN RAISED IN THE DELIBERATIONS LAST TIME WAS ABOUT, UM, AND THIS WAS PART OF THE COMPLAINT OF THE NEIGHBOR, WAS THAT SNOW WAS BEING PILED ON HER PROPERTY.
I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT, UH, WE NOW HAVE THIS THREE FOOT BUFFER HERE, BUT AT THE TIME, THE DRIVEWAY WAS ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THEN OF COURSE, WITH NO PLANTING AND SO ON, UM, DRIVEWAY GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY CLUE WHERE PROPERTY LINES ARE.
THEY'RE JUST THERE TO SHOVEL THE SNOW AND THEY SHOVELED IT ONTO THE GRASS STRIP THAT WAS THERE.
NOW THAT THERE IS A GRASS STRIP, THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT.
AND I CAN TELL FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO LIKE SHOVELING SNOW WHEN IT DOES SNOW HERE, I WILL NOT PILE THEM ON MY SHRUBBERY BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'LL KILL THEM.
SO THIS IS A, ACTUALLY A GOOD DETERRENT FOR PUTTING ANY KIND OF SNOW THERE.
WHEREAS IF YOU RAN A FENCE THERE, THERE WOULD BE A PILE OF SNOW, UH, PLACED THERE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE ARBOR BUTE IS A NATURAL ORDER.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PILING SNOW.
UM, ON THE RARE OCCASIONS WE GET IT.
SO IS IT, IS IT YOUR, IS IT YOUR APPLICANT'S, UM, I GUESS, PLAN THAT THEY WILL MAINTAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, SHE DOES MAINTAIN HER PROPERTY.
SHE, UH, HAS HAS GARDENERS WHO COME, UH, LAST TIME
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I WAS AT THE PROPERTY, THE GARDENERS WERE THERE DOING THEIR CLEANUP.SO SHE DOES HIRE THE SERVICE, WHICH DOES DO MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY AND DOES HAVE, UH, DOES CERTAINLY WILL HAVE THIS PROPERTY MAINTAINED.
AND IF YOU WISH TO SO STIPULATED, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE STIPULATED IN THE DECISION THAT THESE BE MAINTAINED.
HOWEVER, THEY MAY REQUIRE HAVING ACCESS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE.
WELL, MOST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING TO TRIM, SAY ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, CERTAINLY ONE COULD HOPE THAT, UH, THE NEW BUYERS OF THE HOME WILL HAVE LESS, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTENTIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH MRS. ZPI.
UM, BUT, BUT YES, UH, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY IN MY OWN CASE HAVE A SHARE A BORDER WITH A CLIENT, UH, WITH A NEIGHBOR WHO IS, LET'S JUST SAY, NOT THE FRIENDLIEST PERSON ON THE PLANET, BUT, UH, BUT CERTAINLY THEIR GARDENERS COME ONTO MY PROPERTY AND I LET, AND I ALLOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THEIR JOB.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND MINE DO THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AGREED THAT FOR MAINTENANCE OF PLANTS LIKE THIS, YOU DO HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH ROOM HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WHEN YOU, UM, TRIED TO CONTACT THE NEIGHBOR, DID YOU EXPLAIN AND LET THEM KNOW WHY YOU WERE CALLING IN YOUR MESSAGE? ABSOLUTELY.
I, I WROTE AN EMAIL AND EXPLAINED VERY CLEARLY THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR A CHANGE TO THE ZONING AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD HAD.
AND THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN THE OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION JUST AS ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAD THEM, SO THEY HAD TIME TO RESPOND AND HAVE NOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
AND THE NEXT CASE TONIGHT IS CASE 24 0 6, STEVE MARKS AND SHARON FOREMAN, 20 WALLET CLOSE.
MICHAEL PICARILLO, MAP, ARCHITECTS 3 45 CURE STREET.
HEIGHTS OF NEW YORK HERE REPRESENTING MY CLIENTS.
CAN YOU HEAR IN THE BACK? OKAY, THANKS.
UH, HERE REPRESENTING MY CLIENTS, UH, WE ARE HERE LOOKING FOR, UH, AN ADDITION, A REAR ADDITION TO EXPAND AN EXISTING KITCHEN.
UM, THE, THE, THE CLIENT, MY CLIENT'S HOUSE, UH, CURRENTLY HAS A, A KITCHEN THAT'S STUCK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES.
AND, UM, IN, IN DESIRE TO EX, YOU KNOW, TO EXPAND THE KITCHEN, TO MAKE IT, UH, UM, USABLE AND, UH, SORT OF A NORMAL SIZED KITCHEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN, THE DESIRE WAS TO EXPAND THE KITCHEN.
SO IN DOING THAT, WE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A 174 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE, OF THE HOUSE, WHICH ACTUALLY PART OF IT TAKES UP PART OF AN EXISTING EXISTING DECK.
UH, BUT WE THINK THAT CERTAINLY THIS ADDITION WOULD BE NOT ONLY IN KEEPING WITHIN, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEPING IT WITHIN, WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, UH, IT'S PRETTY INNOCUOUS BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR EVEN FROM THE REAR, BECAUSE THE REAR PROPERTY IS A LARGE HILL.
UH, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO EVEN TO SEE THIS ADDITION.
NOT TO MENTION THAT WE THINK THE ADDITION WILL BE A, A COMPLIMENTARY ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.
THE, THERE'S A, A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
SO WE DON'T THINK THIS IS A, UM, UH, A VERY LARGE ADDITION THAT PUTS THE HOUSE OUT OF CHARACTER IN WITH THE SIZE OF THE, UH, THE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK.
THE, AND, UM, SHARON'S HERE, SHE ACTUALLY HAS, UH, ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, THE REAR YARD, IF YOU WANT ME TO, AND, AND THEN SOME LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS SUPPORTED THE APPLICATION.
SO I CAN PLEASE, ARE THOSE NEIGHBORS, UH, LETTERS THAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED TO US, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU YET.
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THANK YOU.SO IN, IN DETERMINING THE PROJECT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, UH, ENLARGE THEIR KITCHEN, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT WAS TO INCREASE THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE ITSELF, WHICH IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE.
SO WE DID LOOK AT OTHER, OTHER IDEAS, OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT, AND THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY OF DOING IT.
SO BECAUSE THE, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ROOM IS UP AGAINST OTHER ROOMS THAT CAN'T BE MODIFIED.
SO, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING.
SO YOU RECEIVED A OF AREA VARIANCE FROM THIS BOARD, UM, IN 2015? CORRECT.
SO YOUR EXISTING, UM, UH, FLOOR AREA IS 4,190.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT, THERE WAS A, UM, UPDATE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT WAS IN THE PACKET THIS EVENING.
I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE WE STARTED.
UM, WHICH CLARIFIES THE PRIOR VARIANCE, UM, WHICH THEY WERE APPROVED SLIGHTLY, I THINK TO THE NUMBER YOU JUST INDICATED.
UM, IT EXISTS AT 4,085 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT, THAT LETTER FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET.
SO, UH, UM, MY, MY CLIENTS JUST, UH, INFORMED ME THAT THE, THE PREVIOUS VARIANCE THAT WAS GRANTED WAS NOT ENTIRELY BUILT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, UM, DIFFERENCE IN THOSE NUMBERS FROM WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT TO COMPARE TO WHAT THEY RECEIVED LAST TIME IN 2015.
AND THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS 174 SQUARE FEET, AN ADDITIONAL 174.5 SQUARE FEET? YES.
IS FAR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OH, SORRY.
UM, I THOUGHT I SAW A FLOOR PLAN, UH, IN OUR PACKAGE.
CAN YOU PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN? DEFINITELY.
THIS FILE'S NOT OPENING THAT'S GOING ON.
CAN IT BE EXPLAINED FROM THIS OR NO? THERE'S A, UH, WELL, THAT'S A DEMOLITION PLAN SHOWING THE EXISTING KITCHEN.
AND THEN THE RED PARTS ARE ALL THE PARTS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
IF YOU 100, IF YOU, IF YOU DROP IT DOWN TO THE OTHER IMAGE, IT SHOWS THE FOUNDATION PLAN.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, OKAY.
THAT'S THE FOUNDATION PLAN FOR THIS PROPOSED BUMP OUT WHERE THE EXISTING DECK IS BEING MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SINGLE STORY ADDITION.
I, I, I BELIEVE I HAVE THE PAPER COPY THIS.
IT'S JUST FOR SOME REASON I, THE FILE'S NOT OPEN, SIR, I HAVE THE PAPER COPY IF YOU WANNA SEE IT.
I JUST, YOU SHOULD, YEAH, YOU SHOULD.
IF YOU WANNA HAVE TO OPEN THE WHOLE WELL, AGAIN, I CAN, IF YOU LIKE, I CAN, I CAN GET THE, UH, IT'S ON MY BOARD, SO IF YOU WANT ALL IT IS.
WAIT, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION,
THE, THIS MIGHT BE FOR, FOR YOU, LIZ.
WE APPROVED A VARIANCE THOUGH FOR 4,190, BUT THEY ONLY BUILT, SO REALLY, THEY COULD HAVE GONE UP TO 4,190, BUT NOW THEY'RE GOING UP TO 4 2, 5 8.
SO IT'S REALLY 68 SQUARE FEET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS LIKE 1%.
SO THEY, THEY GOT THE VARIANCE FOR THE 4,190.
THEY, LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON.
SO THEORETICALLY THEY COULD HAVE BUILT THE 4,001
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90 AND ONLY ASKING FOR THE 68 MORE.DID YOU HEAR WHAT WE JUST SAID? NO, I DIDN'T.
YOU WANNA REPEAT IT FOR HIM?
SO THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS REALLY ONLY 68 SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT WE APPROVED PREVIOUS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T BILL WHAT THEY TOLD OUT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED FOR PREVIOUSLY.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA COMMENT ON THIS MATTER? WE'RE GOOD.
SHOULD WE TAKE A RECESS,
WE MAY NEED TO GET SOME GRANOLA BARS OR SOMETHING.
THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 24 0 7 WHITMAN OSTERMAN AND HANNAH, LLP 20 TAR TOWN ROAD.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
MY NAME'S CHARLES GOTTLIEB FROM THE LAW FIRM OF WHITEMAN OSTERMAN AND HANNAH IN ALBANY, NEW YORK.
I'M A LAND USE COUNSEL FOR CHICK-FIL-A UM, I JUST TRIED TO SHARE MY SCREEN, BUT IT COMPUTER APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE FROZEN.
UM, SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT RECTIFIED.
UM, HERE THIS EVENING WITH OUR PROJECT ENGINEER TIM FRY.
TAG FROM BOWLER ENGINEERING, OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC ENGINEER PHIL GREELEY FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND JOHN MARTINEZ FROM CHICK-FIL-A WE'RE HERE IN FURTHERANCE OF THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCES FOR A PROPOSED QUICK SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AND FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AT TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, THE PROPOSED CHICK-FIL-A UH, RESTAURANT WILL BE 5,228 SQUARE FEET WITH 112 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
49 OF THOSE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ARE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
30 OF THOSE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ARE IN THE, UH, CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT SITE, IS BIFURCATED INTO TWO PARCELS.
ONE BEING IN THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, WHICH WILL JUST BE OFF STREET PARKING FOR CHICK-FIL-A TEAM MEMBERS, AND THEN THE BUILDING DRIVE THROUGH AND OTHER RELATED PARKING WILL BE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE PROJECT SITE IS IN THE TOWN'S DS ZONING DISTRICT, UM, WHICH REQUIRES SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL FROM YOUR TOWN'S PLANNING BOARD.
AND OF COURSE, THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCES.
UH, BASED ON OUR MOST RECENT BUILDING DETERMINATION, WE DO NEED A TOTAL OF 12 AREA VARIANCES.
UH, IN OUR FEBRUARY 14TH SUBMISSION, UH, WE PROVIDED THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH, UH, DETAILED INFORMATION AS TO THE WORK THAT'S BEEN THUS DONE THUS FAR, UM, WITH ALSO WHAT WE FEEL AS THOUGH ARE OUR JUSTIFICATIONS, UH, FOR THE GRANTING OF THOSE AREA VARIANCES.
I WILL SUMMARIZE THOSE FOR YOU AS WE PROGRESS.
BUT VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT SEVERAL OF THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCES ARE IMPROVING EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES.
THE EXISTING CVS BUILDING THERE IS BUILT VERY CLOSE TO THE LOT LINES.
UM, IN FACT, IT'S RIGHT ON THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
UM, IN ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON THIS SITE.
WE ALSO HAVE A VERY ODD AND UNIQUE SHAPED SITE BECAUSE IT'S BORDERED ON ALL THREE SIDES
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BY ROADS.UM, THE OTHER THING THAT LED TO THE AMOUNT OF AREA VARIANCES IS THE FACT THAT, UM, SEVERAL PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT SITE, UH, REQUIRE AREA VARIANCE REALLY BY ONE SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE RELATED TO SETBACKS.
SO 12 DOES APPEAR LIKE IT'S A LARGE NUMBER, UH, BECAUSE IT'S TRIGGERED BY SO MANY ELEMENTS OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, AND TIM WILL GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU, BUT THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN A MANNER TO INCREASE THE ABILITY FOR DRIVE-THROUGH STACKING, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF CHICK-FIL-A'S BUSINESS.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE DRIVE-THROUGH CAPABILITIES, UH, THERE HAD TO BE DIFFERENT MANEUVERING AROUND THE SITE PLAN.
UH, SO JUST TO GIVE THIS BOARD A QUICK HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE APPLIED TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN JANUARY OF 2023.
AFTER THAT, THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS, UH, THE TOWN STAFF, WHICH IS TREMENDOUS, I MUST SAY, UH, AND TOWN CONSULTANTS DID A REVIEW OF OUR SITE PLANS FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, AND ALSO YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER REVIEWED OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
WE SUPPLEMENTED THE APPLICATION, AND THEN WE WERE ON A PLANNING BOARD AGENDA IN SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023.
WE THEN WERE GOING TO PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS ABOUT TWICE A MONTH.
THE PLANNING BOARD WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAD HAD SEVERAL COMMENTS.
WE WORKED THROUGH THOSE COMMENTS.
WE CHANGED THE SITE PLAN, UM, IN SOME, SOME RESPECTS TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS.
IMPORTANTLY, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD A PRELIMINARY PUBLIC HEARING, SO NOT THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT IT WAS MORE OF A SECRET PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS PRIOR TO MAKING THEIR SECRET DETERMINATION, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VERY HELPFUL EXERCISE.
UM, WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS.
WE RESPONDED TO EACH OF THOSE COMMENTS, AND I, UH, INCLUDED OUR RESPONSE TO ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND EXHIBIT I OF THE ENCYCLOPEDIA THAT WE SUBMITTED, UM, PROJECT REVISIONS RESULTED FROM THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE ADDITION OF ANGLED PARKING ON THE, OH, PERFECT.
THAT'S THE RENDERING I WANTED TO PULL UP.
UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, THERE'S ANGLED PARKING SPACES THERE NOW, AND THAT IS, UM, TO ADDRESS AND TO FACILITATE CHICK-FIL-A'S, UH, GRAND OPENING OPERATING PLAN.
SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE ENTIRE DRIVE THROUGH IS FULLY STACKED, THOSE ANGLED PARKING SPACES WITH TEAM MEMBER ASSISTANCE CAN BE USED FOR OVERFLOW DRIVE THROUGH STACKING TO ENSURE THAT NOTHING GOES INTO THE STREETS.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC MITIGATION PROPOSED THAT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, WILL, WILL GO THROUGH INCLUDING WIDENING OF OLD KENSICO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO THE NORTH, I'M GONNA SAY, UM, AND A DELINEATION OF ON STREET PARKING SPACES ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
BASED ON THAT REVIEW ON MARCH 6TH, THE PLANNING BOARD AS THE SECRET LEAD AGENCY UNDER A COORDINATED REVIEW, ADOPTED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FINDING THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WHICH SET FORTH THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION THAT IS NOW A PART OF OUR PROJECT.
THEY ALSO ISSUED A REFERRAL TO THIS CBA, WHICH THEY NOTED AS A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT THEY DID FIND THAT MANY OF THE AREA VARIANCES ARE IMPROVING EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES.
UH, IN ADDITION, THE PLANNING BOARD NOTED FOR THIS BOARD THAT THE FRONT YARD PARKING SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED TO ALLOW US TO EXTEND THE DRIVE THROUGH AND HAVE THAT EXTRA STACKING, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE.
I THINK EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT IS A VACANT, BOARDED UP CVS BUILDING.
MOST OF THE SITE IS IMPERVIOUS.
THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY MAINTENANCE I DROVE BY TODAY.
UM, AND THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO THE TOWN.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN TIM RUNS THROUGH THE SITE PLANS, WE ARE PROPOSING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ACCESS.
UM, BEFORE I GET INTO THE AREA VARIANCES, AND I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT ON EACH ONE THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIM RUN THROUGH THE SITE PLAN SO YOU COULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT, OR HE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO IT AFTER I KIND OF GO THROUGH OUR AREA VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED.
ANY THOUGHTS? I, I LIKE HIS PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH YEAH, I LIKE HIS SUGGESTION.
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AT THE VARIANCE.'CAUSE YOU SAID 12, I COUNTED 14, BUT I MAY HAVE AN INACCURATE SHEET.
BUT WE'LL RESOLVE THAT IN A MOMENT.
SO DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES QUICKLY? MAYBE SHOW THE SITE THAT'S THE SUGGESTION? YES.
OR SHOULD WE SHOW, OR SHOULD WE SHOW THE SITE PLANS WITH, KNOW WHAT THOSE VARIANCES ARE? YEAH, LET'S GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN.
YEAH, LET'S GO THE SITE PLAN FIRST.
SORRY IF I WAS, OH, I CAN NOT CLEAR.
LOOKS LIKE I CAN SHARE THE SCREEN NOW TOO, SO I'LL BE ABLE TO WORK OUT.
TIM FRANKWOOD BOWLER ENGINEERING OR THE, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THIS PROJECT, DESIGNING THE SITE.
UH, IF, IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT TYPE PLAN, RENDER, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I'LL WALK THROUGH.
SO, AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, THE EXISTING SITE IS VERY UNIQUE IN SHAPE AND GEOGRAPHY OR GEOMETRY.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY ITS OWN ISLAND, RIGHT? IT, IT'S CONSTRAINED BY TERRYTOWN ROAD, OLD KENSICO ROAD AND COUNTY CENTER.
SO WE HAVE STREET FRONTAGES ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
WHEN IT COMES TO SITE PLAN LAYOUT.
SITE PLAN LAYOUT REALLY RELIES HEAVILY ON ACCESS TO AND FROM THE SITE.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT WE DIVE INTO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT LAYING OUT A SITE PLAN.
AND HERE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED ACCESS OUT TO TARRYTOWN ROAD.
WE'RE STUCK IN BETWEEN, UM, TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
THERE'S A MEDIAN OUT IN TERRYTOWN ROAD.
SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE SHARED ACCESS AS GOOD OR OR SIDE STREET ACCESS AS GOOD STREET ACCESS PLANNING.
AND THAT'S ALSO IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH NEW YORK STATE, DOT, THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, TRYING TO REFINE THE BEST LOCATION FOR SITE ACCESS.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN ENTERING TO INTO THE SITE, WE HAVE AN ACCESS OFF OLD KENSICO ROAD AND COUNTY CENTER ROAD IN THE BACK, TWO ACCESS POINTS, REDUNDANT AC A REDUNDANT ACCESS PROVIDES, UM, SECONDARY ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL, SHOULD IT BE NEEDED TRUCK CIRCULATION, AND JUST AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THE SITE ON OLD KENSICO ROAD.
ON PLAN WEST HERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, ACCESS DRIVEWAY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF OLD KENSICO ROAD AND TARRYTOWN ROAD.
WE'RE PUSHING THAT BACK INTO THE SITE AS FAR AS POSSIBLE TO ELONGATE THE STACKING DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE ENTRANCE TO OUR PARKING LOT.
THAT HELPS WITH, UH, THE STACKING CAPACITY AS YOU APPROACH TERRYTOWN ROAD AND OLD KENCO RAY ROAD.
SO AS YOU TAKE A LEFT OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY, THERE'S MORE STACKING DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR DRIVEWAY AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IF YOU WERE TO ENTER OUR SITE FROM OLD KENSICO ROAD, YOU COULD ENTER IN AND TURN RIGHT INTO THAT ONE-WAY, DRIVE VIAL.
THAT DRIVE VI WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ANGLED PARKING SPOTS WHERE A GUEST COULD PARK OR PROCEED STRAIGHT INTO A TWO-LANE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO AN ORANGE IS OUR, UH, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
AND THE LIGHT, UH, TAN COLOR IS THE CONCRETE PAVEMENT OF OUR TWO LANE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO A GUEST COULD ENTER THERE, NAVIGATE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING, PICK UP THEIR MEAL ON THE, UH, NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND EXIT BACK INTO THE PARKING LOT.
THIS IS WHAT WE CALL AN ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGH LAYOUT.
THE OLDER TRADITIONAL STYLE OF DRIVE-THROUGHS IS THE BUILDING'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
THE DRIVE-THROUGH WRAPS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN THE PARKING'S ON THE PERIMETER OF, OF THE, UH, PROPERTY.
THIS ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGH REALLY FOCUSES ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
SO YOU CAN PARK IN THE PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE ROW OF PARKING SPACES, PARK THERE, WALK INTO THE STORE, GRAB YOUR MEAL, AND WALK BACK TO THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING SPACES WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO CROSS THAT DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S A KEY ELEMENT IN DESIGNING THE ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGHS IS PEDESTRIAN, UM, SAFETY FOR THOSE GUESTS, PARKING, TRYING TO SEPARATE THAT ACTIVITY FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH USE.
UH, IN GRAY YOU'LL SEE TWO STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA.
THE CHICK-FIL-A DRIVE THROUGH OPERATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN YOUR TYPICAL DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE HELPING TAKE ORDERS AT THE MENU BOARDS.
SO RATHER THAN ALWAYS SPEAKING TO JUST A, A ORDERING POST, YOU MIGHT BE SPEAKING TO A PERSON AND PLACING YOUR ORDER.
THEY HAVE TABLETS THAT THEY CAN PROCESS YOUR ORDER AND PROCESS PAYMENT RIGHT THERE TO HELP EXPEDITE THE SERVICE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THEY'RE UNDER A CANOPY THAT CAN SPAN OVER APPROXIMATELY SIX CARS, UH, THREE IN EACH LANE THERE.
AND THE SECOND CANOPY IS AT THE MEAL DELIVERY WINDOW.
SO THIS WINDOW IS ACTUALLY A WINDOW AND A DOOR SO IT CAN OPEN.
AND TEAM MEMBERS ARE, ARE RUNNING, UH, THE FOOD OUT TO BOTH LANES OF TRAFFIC.
SO THE CARS ARE STOPPED POSITIONED THERE WAITING FOR THEIR FOOD.
THEY CAN REACH OUT AND GRAB THEIR MEAL FROM A TEAM MEMBER THAT RO THAT ROTATION HAPPENS IN AN OPPOSITE.
SO THEY WOULD, UM, FULFILL THAT FIRST LANE
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OF CAR, THEY WOULD PULL FORWARD, THEN THEY WOULD FULFILL THE SECOND LANE CAR, AND THEN THEY WOULD SAFELY PULL FORWARD FROM THERE AND MERGE BACK INTO THE, THE PARKING LOT.SO TO THE NORTH IS A PARKING LOT THAT'S LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
NOW TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF AN ISOLATED PARKING LOT HERE.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS THAT WE'RE PURSUING, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR BY THE CITY JURISDICTION AS WELL.
THOSE WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO CHICK-FIL-A FOR THE OPERATION OF THEIR BUSINESS.
THE MAJORITY OF TEAM MEMBERS WILL UTILIZE THOSE SPACES AND NOT, UM, OCCUPY THE SPACES FOR GUESTS OUT IN THE MAIN PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THEIR STORE.
SO THAT'S A BASIS FOR THE SITE PLAN JUST IN THE NORTH.
I I WILL NOTE THERE'S OUR TRASH ENCLOSURE.
UM, WE HAD MOVED THIS TRASH ENCLOSURE MANY TIMES THROUGH COORDINATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION THAT WE FOUND THAT WAS, UM, PROPERLY SHIELDED FROM THE SITE, GETS IT AWAY FROM THE MAIN ENTRY AND THE MAIN, UH, VISIBILITY OF THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
AND WE'RE FURTHER BUFFERING, BUFFERING IT WITH TREES AND LANDSCAPING AND MAINTAINING SOME OF THE EXISTING MATURE TREES THAT ARE BACK THERE AS WELL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE TRIANGLE PIZZA SLICE SHAPE, UH, GEO GEOMETRY OF THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S REALLY PUSHED THE LIMITS OF, UM, THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT TO GET TIGHT TO THAT PROPERTY LINE IN SOME LOCATIONS.
I DO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFERING BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GET OUT TO THE, THE ROADWAYS.
SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, ESPECIALLY UP AROUND TERRYTOWN ROAD THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED AS, UM, GREEN SPACE WITH STREET TREES AS WELL.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE SITE PLAN OR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO, TO BUILD HERE? UH, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PARKING THAT IS IN THE, UH, WHITE PLAINS, UH, JURISDICTION? NO.
SO THE, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN REVIEWING AND CONSIDERING THAT AND, AND COMMENTING ON THAT IS THE PROJECT HAS EVOLVED, BUT AS FAR AS THE PERMITTING AND THE APPROVALS, THAT'LL ALL BE THROUGH THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
AND THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT ARE ALL WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND JUST VIEW, I'M SORRY, THOSE YOU FINISHED? I'M SORRY? ARE YOU FINISHED? YES.
SO IN THAT SECONDARY PARKING LOT, THE EMPLOYEES WILL WHAT, WALK ALONG THE SIDEWALK TO COME TO WORK? OR DO THEY CROSS THROUGH THAT QUEUE LINE? THERE'S A SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD THAT THEY WOULD BE DIRECTED TO, TO WALK UP ON THE SIDEWALK AROUND THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
THERE WILL BE A, UH, VEGETATED LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE DRIVE THROUGH WITH CREATING, UM, A BARRIER WITH SOME FENCING TO MAKE SURE THAT TEAM MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AREN'T CROSSING THAT DRIVE THROUGH WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
AND JUST FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, I DIDN'T SEE IT, UM, AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT IN THAT QUEUE, HOW MANY CARS YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO HOLD FROM THAT ENTRY POINT ON OLD SCO ROAD INTO THE PROPERTY? THERE, THERE'S A QUEUE TO ACCOMMODATE 30, APPROXIMATELY 33 CARS, AND IT'S BASED ON JUST THE DISTANCE OR THE LENGTH OF, OF THE, UM, DRIVE THROUGH ITSELF.
BUT THAT'S ALSO, UH, CONSIDERED IN THE TOTAL PARKING COUNT OF 112 SPACES THAT'S PROPOSED ON THE SITE.
AND THE AVERAGE QUEUE TIME FROM ENTRY IN THERE, IF IT WERE ALREADY STACKED, LIKE WHAT WOULD THAT QUEUE TIME BE FROM THE DRIVEWAY ENTERING IN TO ACTUALLY GETTING YOUR FOOD AND POTENTIALLY EXITING? YEAH, THE AVERAGE, UM, TRANSACTION COULD BE AROUND THREE TO FOUR MINUTES, BUT THAT VARIES, UM, DRAMATICALLY DEPENDING ON CERTAIN LOCATIONS, HOW THE KITCHEN PERFORMS, NEW TECHNOLOGIES IN THE KITCHEN, BUT THAT'S AN APPROXIMATE AVERAGE.
BUT, AND ONE SIDE HOURS OPERATION, I KNOW YOU'RE CLOSED SUNDAYS.
SO IT'S, UH, TYPICALLY 6:30 AM TO 10:00 PM SO IT'S NOT A 24 HOUR OR A LATE NIGHT OPERATION AND CLOSED ON SUNDAYS.
ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, UH, PARKING LOT LIGHTING, ANYTHING THAT'S COMING IN BEYOND WHAT'S THERE NOW? YEAH, SO WE'LL BE REPLACING ALL OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT LIGHTING WITH NEW ENERGY EFFICIENT LED LIGHTING.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, LIGHT POLES, UH, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT.
WE ORIGINALLY, UH, SUBMITTED WITH 27 FOOT TALL LIGHT POLES, WHICH REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLES WE NEED ON THE SITE.
BUT WE'VE SINCE REVISED THAT DOWN TO 17 FOOT TALL, UM, POLES AND ADDED, ADDED A COUPLE MORE LIGHTS TO GET, UH, SAFE AND ADEQUATE LIGHTING WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AND THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK AREAS.
WITH REGARD TO THE PARKING, UM, YOU HAVE PARKING ALL ALONG THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES, UM, ON A BUSY DAY, HOW ARE THE CARS GONNA GET IN AND OUT OF THOSE PARKING SPACES? YEAH, SO THROUGH THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD PROCESS, AND, AND PHIL
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CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THIS MORE, UM, THEY, THEY ASKED US TO GO COUNT DRIVE THROUGH QUEUES AT MANY OTHER FACILITIES.I THINK WE HAD SUBMITTED DATA ON EIGHT DIFFERENT FACILITIES.
AND THIS DRIVE THROUGH IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE CARS WITHIN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO WITHIN THE 33 CAR STACK, THIS SITE, PER OUR EXPERIENCE AT THOSE OTHER LA LOCATIONS AND THE DATA COLLECTED, CAN ACCOMMODATE THE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
THE CONCERN WAS DURING GRAND OPENING THAT, THAT, THAT FIRST, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS THAT EVERYBODY'S EXCITED TO, TO BE HERE OR MM-HMM.
SO THOSE, UM, PARKING SPACES COULD TURN INTO STACKING FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT IF SOMEONE'S PARKED THERE AND THEY WALK INSIDE TO GET THEIR FOOD AND THEY COME OUT AND THE DRIVE THROUGHS ARE FILLED, HOW DO THEY GET THEIR CAR OUT? YEAH, SO THE DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT A STOPPED PARKING LOT, RIGHT? IT, IT IS CONTINUOUSLY MOVING.
AS YOU PULL AHEAD, YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, THEN YOU SLOWLY PULL AHEAD.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BLOCKED IN THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UM, SIGN THAT YOU'RE BACKING OUT AND THE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO LET YOU IN FRONT OF THEM AS THE DRIVE THROUGH MUTE MOVES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO LET YOU OUT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
THEN YOU CAN NAVIGATE, UM, AROUND, UH, THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND BACK OUT.
SO BEFORE YOU ARE, THERE'S NO PARKING.
ONCE YOU ENTER THE MAIN DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S JUST PARKING AS YOU APPROACH THE DRIVE-THRU LANE? YES.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME THAT IS CALCULATED GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH? YEAH, SO, SO ON AVERAGE THE, THE TRANSACTION'S THREE TO FOUR MINUTES.
UM, THE CALCULATED TIME CAN, CAN RANGE DEPENDING ON TIME OF DAY, HOW MANY STAFF OR TEAM MEMBERS YOU HAVE WORKING IN THE KITCHEN AND EXPEDITING PAYMENT.
BUT IT'S USUALLY THE AVERAGE TIME IS THREE TO FOUR MINUTES.
NOW, IF THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH'S FULL, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA TAKE LONGER.
IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 MINUTE WAIT.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SITTING IN ONE SPOT DURING THAT DURATION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE SLOWLY, UH, PULLING AHEAD THROUGH THE LINE.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE NUMBER OF HANDICAP PLACES ACCORDING TO YOUR DIAGRAM, UNLESS I'M MISINTERPRETING, IT SEEMS YOU ONLY HAVE TWO SPOTS, IS THAT CORRECT? FOUR.
SO IN THE OR HOW MANY CITY OF WHITE PLAINS LOT, WE HAVE TWO SPOTS.
RIGHT? AND THEN IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE HAVE FOUR SPOTS.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IS ADEQUATE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU ARE EXPECTING IN PROPORTION? YEAH.
SO THAT'S, UM, A STATE CODE REQUIREMENT IS YOU HAVE TO ALLOCATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, A DA ACCESSIBLE SPOTS TO THE AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU HAVE.
WELL, NO, HOLD THE PRESENTATION FIRST.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVE PARKING LAYOUT, UH, PARKING LAYOUTS THAT COULD MORE EFFECTIVELY UTILIZE THE SPACE AND ENSURE SAFETY FOR CHILDREN? AS MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE PARKING SPOTS ON THE SIDE AND THEN YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE DRIVE-THROUGH, WOULD IT, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR LOOKED AT PERHAPS JUST HAVING THE CARS EXTREME TO THE EXTREME OF THE, UH, EX EXTREME AND MOVING THOSE SPOTS MORE IN THE CENTER OR EXPLORING OTHER DIFFERENT TOPO PARKING TOPOLOGIES THAT MIGHT BE MORE BENEFICIAL IN SAFETY FOR CHILDREN? BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING AND ALSO CERTAIN, UH, MUNICIPALITIES RESERVE SPACES FOR PARENTS WITH CHILDREN.
AND IF NOT, IF YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH A MORE EFFECTIVE PARKING TOPOLOGY, THEN PERHAPS WOULD YOU CONSIDER RESERVING SPACES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE STORE AND MORE SAFE, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE SAFER ZONE FOR PARENTS THAT HAVE CHILDREN AND TODDLERS? MY CONCERN IS WITH TODDLERS COMING OUT AND DARDY AND RUNNING AND CARS MOVING, WE WANNA MINIMIZE THE RISK OF HAVING AN ACCIDENT.
SO I'M JUST ASKING HAVE, HAS YOUR TEAM CONSIDERED THAT? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT WITH A THREE AND A 1-YEAR-OLD AT HOME OF THIS.
UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH MAYBE HALF A DOZEN OR SO DIFFERENT SITE PLAN LAYOUTS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, STRATEGICALLY ALONGSIDE, UM, TOWN STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD TO LOOK
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AT ALTERNATIVE LAYOUTS.THIS LAYOUT RESULTED IN THE, THE MOST PARKING SPACES WITHIN THAT INTERNAL ISLAND.
THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THAT DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO THIS RESULTED IN, IN THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ALSO WITH THE ISOLATED DRIVE THROUGH LAYOUT TO, TO ISOLATE THAT FROM THE, UH, DINE-IN TRAFFIC.
THERE ARE A HANDFUL, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF PARKING SPOTS STILL ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT LANE.
BUT THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT, UM, DEMONSTRATED THE MOST, THAT AREN'T THE MOST, THAT AREN'T OH, THE, THIS DEMONSTRATED THE, THE, UM, THE MOST PARKING SPACES WITHIN THAT INTERNAL, UH, PARKING LANE THAT DON'T CROSS THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THE ACCESS POINT OUT EXITING OUT ONTO OLD KENSICO IS STILL GONNA BE A RIGHT, A RIGHT OUT AROUND THE CIRCLE.
AND THEN, SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, SO IN EXISTING CONDITIONS, THERE'S A, A NO LEFT TURN SIGN THERE, AND THAT DRIVEWAY'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
WE'RE PUSHING THE, THE DRIVEWAY BACK FURTHER TO ELONGATE THE STACKING DISTANCE BETWEEN OLD KENSICO ROAD AND THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
WE'RE ALSO ADDING ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN IN OLD PENSKO ROAD TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STACKING CAPACITY.
THE RESULT OF THAT HAS ALLOWED FOR THAT LEFT OUT OF THE SITE TO BE REINSTATED.
SO AS PROPOSED, THAT'S A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY.
NOW THERE IS DISCUSSION, UM, WITH TOWN STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW THAT POST OPENING TO SEE IF THAT RESTRICTION NEEDS TO BE BACK REINSTATED, BUT AS PROPOSED, IT'S A FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS BOTH IN AND OUT.
AND, AND I'M SORRY, YOU SAID YOU'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANE ON SOUTH
AND, AND THIS IS A GOOD, UM, TIME TO MAYBE SWITCH IT OVER TO PHIL QUICKLY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OFFSITE MITIGATION IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE.
PHILIP GREELEY FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, UH, VAL VALHALLA, NEW YORK.
SO, UH, WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND EVALUATIONS.
UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY ITERATIONS, UH, COORDINATING WITH YOUR TOWNS CONSULTANT AND WITH NEW YORK STATE DOT AND THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS BECAUSE OF THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
SO AS PART OF OUR STUDY, WE IDENTIFIED NUMEROUS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE UPGRADING THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL RIGHT NOW THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL'S OPERATING AT A FIXED TIME OPERATION, WHICH CAUSES CUES TO OCCUR ON O KENS CO ROAD MORE THAN NECESSARY, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT OF TIME EVERY CYCLE THAT WILL BE UPGRADED AND, UH, NEW VIDEO DETECTION WILL BE INSTALLED.
AND WE'RE COORDINATING THAT WITH BOTH NEW YORK STATE DOT AND THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, UH, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THERE WOULD ALSO BE PEDESTRIAN UPGRADES AT THE CORNERS, UH, TO BRING IT IN TO CURRENT A DA COMPLIANCE STANDARDS.
AND WE ARE ALSO WIDENING OLD KENSICO ROAD ALONG OUR ENTIRE FRONTAGE THERE.
IN ADDITION TO SHIFTING THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER NORTH AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION, WE ARE PROVIDING A THREE LANE APPROACH TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TODAY.
SO IN THE FUTURE THERE WOULD BE, UH, HEADING, IF YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS THE SIGNAL COMING FROM SOUTHBOUND ON OLD KENS CO ROAD, YOU WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE LEFT TURN LANE, A THROUGH LANE TOWARDS AQUEDUCT AND A RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO OLD TAR, UH, ONTO TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, IN ADDITION, THE WIDENING WOULD EXTEND FURTHER SO THAT WE HAVE A WIDTH WIDE ENOUGH, UH, TO ACCOUNT FOR ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS SITE IS THE OLD NESTOS, UH, FACILITY.
UH, WE HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR RE OCCUPANCY OF THAT SPACE IN OUR TRAFFIC EVALUATION AND THE WIDENING WOULD TAKE PLACE SUCH THAT IT WOULD ALLOW A BYPASS IF SOMEONE WAS STOPPED WAITING TO TURN INTO NESTOS, UH, TO BYPASS THEM ON ALL ESTIMATE ON OLD KENCO ROAD NORTHBOUND.
SO IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHBOUND LANE, WE'RE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL WIDTH TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE VEHICLES.
ALSO, UM, IN TERMS OF J JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE ONSITE IN THE STACKING.
SO WHAT TIM DESCRIBED IS, UH, THE 33 VEHICLES THAT CAN
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PARK ON SITE.SO WE HAVE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS A GRAND OPENING TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AND WHEN THIS OCCURS, UH, CHICK-FIL-A HAS TEAM MEMBERS COME FROM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATIONS TO TRAIN THE NEW TEAM MEMBERS AND TO CONTROL TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE YOU GET THIS INITIAL SURGE AND, UH, THERE'S A PLAN.
UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S STILL CALLED A DRAFT PLAN BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD HASN'T APPROVED IT YET.
THAT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, LOCATES POSITIONS WHERE TEAM MEMBERS WOULD BE STATIONED, UH, TO DIRECT TRAFFIC FLOW TO IN THE CASE OF SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN A PARK SPACE AND NEEDED TO GET OUT TO ASSIST WITH THAT MOVEMENT, UH, IN REAL PEAK TIMES, AS TIM INDICATED, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN THE PLAN SO THAT THE MOST WESTERLY DRIVE AISLE COULD BE CONVERTED TO ADDITIONAL STACKING SPACE FOR VEHICLES FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN DURING THIS PEAK TIME, WHETHER IT'S BE DURING GRAND OPENING AND THIS PLAN WOULD ACTUALLY CONTINUE, UH, FOR ANY PEAK CONDITIONS, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT WOULD OCCUR.
UH, WE CAN STACK AT LEAST AN ADDITIONAL, UH, 17 OR SO VEHICLES.
WE CAN GET OVER 50 VEHICLES STACKED ON THIS SITE BEFORE ANY TRAFFIC WOULD BE OUT ON THE ROADWAY RELATIVE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THE DRIVEWAY ON OLD KESCO ROAD IS PROPOSED TO BECOME A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY.
UH, WE HAVE PROPOSED TO MONITOR THAT AFTER OPENING AND YOUR TRAFFIC, YOUR TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WOULD BE PART OF THAT MONITORING, AS WOULD BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THAT COULD STAY IN EFFECT, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE RESTRICTED AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, WHETHER OTHER MODIFICATIONS NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, IN ADDITION, THE DRIVEWAY ON, WELL, WE HAVE THREE DRIVEWAYS IN, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD, BUT THE ONE THAT'S IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, ALONG THAT FRONTAGE THERE, WE WOULD BE RES STRIPING THE PARKING SPACES TO DEFINE THE ON STREET SPACES.
UH, AND THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED BY TRAFFIC, EITHER IF THEY'RE EXITING FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND AS TIM INDICATED, THAT CENTER CORE AREA IS DESIGNED TO CUT DOWN ON THOSE VEHICLE PEDESTRIAN INTERFACES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE PRIME PARKING AREA IS.
UM, THERE, IN ADDITION TO THIS, IN TERMS OF THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, CHARLIE, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO, SO JUST NORTH OF THIS AREA, YOU HAVE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A FREE FOR ALL BECAUSE IT'S VERY WIDE.
IT'S ON STRIPED, IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNING IS, UH, SOME OF THE SIGNING IS NOT, UH, CONFORMING WITH CURRENT STANDARDS.
SO WE HAVE PROPOSED, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO DEFINE THE TRAVEL PATH TO MAKE SURE, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT DO WRONG WAY MANEUVERS AT THAT AREA.
UH, SO THIS WOULD DEFINE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, DEFINE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN SO THAT ALL TRAFFIC FLOW IS BASICALLY COUNTERCLOCKWISE AROUND THE, UH, CIRCLE, UH, TO DEFINE THE FEEDS COMING IN FROM OLD KENSICO, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
AND TO ALSO, UH, DEFINE TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNING.
THIS HAS BEEN FINE TUNED THROUGH REVIEWS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT THESE WOULD ALL BE DONE AS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AT THEIR EXPENSE.
ALL THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, THE ROAD WIDENING, THE NEW CURVING, NEW SIDEWALKS, STRIPING SIGNING, UH, TO CONTROL TRAFFIC.
UH, THE MONITORING PROGRAM WOULD BE DONE AFTER OPENING, AFTER INITIAL OPENING PERIOD.
AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A CONDITION OF ANY, UH, PLANNING BOARD APPROVALS.
AND THEN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, THAT GETS FINALIZED WOULD BE KEPT ONSITE AT ALL TIMES SO THAT IF THERE WAS AN EVENT OTHER THAN THE GRAND OPENING, UM, WHERE THIS WOULD NEED TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO ADJUST AND PROVIDE MORE STACKING OR, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT, UH, ADDRESS ANY, UH, QUEUING CONCERNS THAT IT WOULD, COULD EXTEND PAST THE AREA THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AND IT WOULD BE SPELLED OUT FOR THE TEAM MEMBERS WHERE THEY WOULD BE POSITIONED, HOW THEY WOULD CONE OFF THE AREA AND HOW THAT WOULD ALL BE, UH, CONTROLLED.
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OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE AND WORKED INTO THESE PLANTS.ON THAT EGRESS HEADING OUT TO OLD COUNTY CENTER ROAD, DID THE STUDY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF INDIVIDUALS WERE TO MAKE THE RIGHT HAND TURN BACK TOWARDS TARRYTOWN ROAD, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE A BLIND TURN, UM, FROM THAT CORNER BACK ONTO BEING ABLE TO MAKE ANOTHER RIGHT HAND TURN? YES.
DID IT EVALUATE THAT AT ALL? CORRECT.
SO, SO THE WAY THIS PLAN IS SET UP TO ALLOW TRAFFIC TO FLOW BACK OUT TO TARRYTOWN ROAD, SO E EXITING THE SITE DRIVEWAY, THERE WOULD BE SPACES SET BACK.
SO YOU CAN SEE EXITING THAT DRIVEWAY WHEN YOU GET OUT THE TARRYTOWN ROAD, THE SITE LINE THERE, AND WE'RE DOING SOME STRIPING, WHICH DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS PLAN, BUT STRIPING SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, THEY'RE MORE PERPENDICULAR, UH, AND TO ADDRESS THE SIGHT LINE, LOOKING TO THE LEFT BACK TOWARDS COUNTY, THE COUNTY CENTER.
SO I'M SAYING MORE SO FROM COUNTY CENTER ROAD, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THE RIGHT OUT OF THE PROPERTY YES.
AND THEN MAKE THAT RIGHT BACK ON THE TARRY TOWN ON THE TARRY COUNTY.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THE VISION THAT COMES SO THAT YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING THE DIRECTION TOWARDS THE COUNTY CENTER BACK TOWARDS WHITE PLAINS, YOU WOULD'VE A CLEAN LINE OF SIGHT.
THEN NUMBER TWO, DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE WESTCHESTER KNICKS ARE AT THE COUNTY CENTER AND WHEN THERE ARE LARGE EVENTS THERE, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY OF PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, WHICH NARROWS THE CORRIDOR ON OLD COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
UM, COUNTY CENTER ROAD IS USED FOR PARKING AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAYS OR WHEN THERE'S EVENTS AT COUNTY CENTER, YOU SEE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD FULLY OCCUPIED.
SO THE LAYOUT IS SUCH THAT, UM, THE SPACES WOULD BE STRIPED, THE SIGHT LINES WOULD BE GOOD COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWO-WAY FLOW COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT ON OLD KENSICO, WHICH IS REALLY THE MAIN PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GET OUT TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO IF THEY'RE HEADING BACK TOWARDS WHITE PLAINS HEADING SOUTH ON AQUEDUCT, THEY WOULD COME OUT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AS THEY SAY, TO USE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF A BACKUP TO RECIRCULATE FLOW.
IS THAT METERED PARKING ON THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD? NO, IT'S JUST, NO, NO.
YOU TALK ABOUT GRAND OPENING AS A HIGH TRAFFIC PERIOD.
UM, BASED ON THE DATA FROM YOUR OTHER MARKETS GOING INTO A NEW AREA, HOW LONG DOES THAT LAST TYPICALLY? TWO TO THREE WEEKS? UM, IT VARIES.
SO IN, IN THIS AREA WE'RE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, CHICK-FIL-AS IN THE AREA.
THERE IS ONE OPENING IN YONKERS, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED DOWN ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
UH, THERE'S ANOTHER STORE THAT'S GONNA BE OPENING, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH IN, UM, WHAT I CALL THE OLD MIDWAY PLA SHOPPING PLAZA.
WE CORVETTES AND, UH, BURLINGTON CO FACTORY GOING BACK BURLINGTON CO FACTORY.
YEAH, I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE TOO.
I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I DO, I REMEMBER CORVETS, I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
THE OTHER, SO, SO THE, THE, THE, THE PROCEDURE IS THAT TEAM WILL STAY AROUND WHILE THAT PERIOD OCCURS.
SO TYPICALLY IT'S NO MORE THAN THREE WEEKS.
TWO WEEKS IS PROBABLY MORE NORMAL, UM, FOR THINGS TO KIND OF GET STABILIZED.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A COMMITMENT HERE TO NOT ONLY DO THAT FOR GRAND OPENING, BUT THAT PLAN WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED ANYTIME.
SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A GRADUATION OR YOU KNOW, THE, AS YOU SAY THE WESTCHESTER NICKS AT COUNTY CENTER AND YOU HAVE A BIG NIGHT, UH, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT FLOW, THAT PEAK FLOW.
REALLY THE BUSIEST TIME IS MIDDAY 11 TO TWO AT ALL SITES, WHETHER IT BE ON A WEEKDAY OR A SATURDAY.
DOES YOUR PLAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT IF, IF, UH, TRAFFIC WAS NEEDED IN TERMS OF OUR, UH, LOCAL PD FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL, IS THAT BUILT INTO BEING ABLE TO CONTACT AND ENSURE THAT THEY WOULD COME IN TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC? YES.
SO, SO THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE MONITORING, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ARE ALL PART OF THAT.
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IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN TO COORDINATE WITH THEM.AND THE OTHER EMERGENCY SERVICE, BUT PRIMARILY THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND IN GRAND OPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME LOCATIONS, UH, THEY'LL EVEN BE NEED TO HIRE OFF DUTY POLICE, POLICE TO HELP WITH, WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL TOO.
AND THEN ONE LAST ONE TILL WE GET INTO THE VARIANCES, I'M SORRY, I JUST GOTTA GET 'EM OUT WHILE THEY'RE STILL FRESH IN MY HEAD.
HOW MANY OF THE VARIANCES, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY BY WIDENING THAT ROADWAY, WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO PROBABLY THE PROPERTY LINES OF THE, UH, WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE.
IS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE A NUMBER OF THE VARIANCES, UH, ALONG KENSICO ROAD? BECAUSE AGAIN, AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH THE 12 OR 14 THAT I COUNTED.
SO I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW MANY ARE PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ROADWAY AND MAYBE THAT DOESN'T GLARE AS MUCH.
SO THE EX PART OF THE SITE, UH, ALTHOUGH IT MAY LOOK LIKE THE SITE IS PART OF THE STATE RIGHT.
OF WAY ALONG TARRYTOWN ROAD AND AS YOU COME AROUND ON OLD KENSICO ROAD.
SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS WIDENING, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN SOME SPOTS UP TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.
BUT IT'S ALREADY WIDE TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THAT.
BUT I THINK CHARLIE WILL GET INTO THE VARI.
SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, EMBARRASSING TO ME, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT TO MY TOTAL IGNORANCE OF CHICK-FIL-A AND EVERYONE IS TALKING AS IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE EVENT.
CREATING A LARGE TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, I I GUESS MAYBE, UH, THE PERSON FROM CHICK-FIL-A COULD HELP EXPLAIN WHAT MAKES CHICK-FIL-A DIFFERENT FROM LET'S SAY BURGER KING OR MCDONALD'S.
I'M SURE HE IS ANSWERED THAT QUESTION SEVERAL TIMES.
IT'S A, IT'S JUST A GOOD, IT'S NOT BURGER KING.
IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD SANDWICH.
I'M A DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, UH, WITH CHICK-FIL-A I'VE BEEN IN THIS, IN THIS CURRENT ROLE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS, BUT I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH CHICK-FIL-A SINCE, UH, 2001, AND RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE, UH, IN THE NORTHEAST REGION.
SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WITH, UH, CHICK-FIL-A SO WHAT MAKES US SO UNIQUE, HONESTLY, IS PROBABLY ONE THING.
AND THAT'S OUR OPERATOR MODEL.
SO, UNLIKE A BURGER KING OR A MCDONALD'S THAT HAS A FRANCHISEE THAT COMES IN AND GETS MANY, MANY STORES OR A TERRITORY, UH, CHICK-FIL-A DOESN'T REALLY OPERATE THAT WAY.
AS A, AS A, WHEN WE DEVELOP OUR SITES, WE DO TEAM UP WITH A, WHAT WE CALL AN OPERATOR OR FRANCHISEE, ONE LOCATION.
UM, IN FACT THAT ONE LOCATION, THEY'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO BE A SILENT PARTNER IN ANOTHER BUSINESS.
A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME COME FROM THAT PARTICULAR STORE.
AND WHY WE DO THAT IS WE WANT THAT INDIVIDUAL TO REALLY FOCUS ON, ON MAKING THAT STORE THE BEST THEY CAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO CHICK-FIL-A SUCCESS COMES FROM OUR, THE OPERATOR, THE FRANCHISEE, THE OPERATORS AND THEIR CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHEN THEY RUN THEIR STORE, THEY MAKE SURE THAT STORE SERVICES THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? SO THEY'LL SUPPORT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THAT COMMUNITY.
MAYBE IT'S THE LITTLE LEAGUES, MAYBE IT'S THE SCHOOLS, MAYBE IT'S THE CHURCHES, SENIOR CITIZENS.
EVERY COMMUNITY'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT WE CHOOSE AN OPERATOR THAT'S GONNA BE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION.
WE GET APPROXIMATELY 60,000 PEOPLE A YEAR THAT APPLY TO BECOME CHICK-FIL-A OPERATORS.
WE DON'T OPEN 60,000 STORES, WE DON'T ANYWHERE NEAR THERE.
SO WE ACTUALLY END UP, UH, PICKING ABOUT 50 PEOPLE NEW OUTSIDE THE SYS OUT OF OUR SYSTEM FOR, FOR THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO WE'RE VERY SELECTIVE ON WHO WE, UH, WHO WE USE.
I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE, I WOULD NEVER BE CHOSEN 'CAUSE THEY'RE JUST LIKE, JOHN, YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THEY WANT, THEY WANT SOMEONE THAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR THAT COMMUNITY THAT KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO WHILE WE HAVE GREAT FOOD, IT'S OUR SERVICE THAT SEPARATES US.
UM, EVERYTHING FROM, UM, HAVING YOUR BEVERAGE REFRESHED FOR YOU FOR FREE.
SO WHEN YOU GET A SODA OR LEMONADE, WHATEVER YOU ORDER WILL COME AROUND, REFILL THAT TO YOU, BRING YOUR FOOD TO THE TABLE FOR YOU, WHATEVER YOU NEED.
WE'LL DO THINGS LIKE DADDY DAUGHTER DATE NIGHT, WHICH WAS STARTED BY OUR OPERATORS TO REALLY SHOW CARE FOR, FOR WORKING, UH, MOTHERS AND FATHERS, BUT MAINLY FATHERS AND, AND HOW TO, HOW TO GET SOME QUALITY FAMILY TIME AT OUR, OUR, UH, STORES.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT SEPARATES CHICK-FIL-A IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE SELL GREAT CHICKEN, WHICH WE DO, UH, A LOT OF PLACES DO, BUT THAT, THAT CARE OF THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT SEPARATES US.
SO, UH, WHAT IS THE MAGNET THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT ALL
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OF THESE VEHICLES? BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTEND WITH, UM, ESPECIALLY AT THAT LIGHT, AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, TARRYTOWN WORLD.AND SO ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NOTICED WAS, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID, SO OUR, OUR BUSINESS JUST EXPLODED, UH, DURING COVID.
AND REMEMBER, DURING COVID DINING ROOMS WERE CLOSED, SO EVERYONE CAME VIA CAR.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, AND NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT COVID IS KIND OF GETTING IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR, THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY MENTIONED HOW MUCH OUR DRIVE THROUGH IS IMPORTANT TO US, AND IT IS, WE'RE ACTUALLY FINDING PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK INTO OUR STORES TO SIT DOWN AND ENJOY DINING WITH US.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE NOTICING WHEN YOU'VE SEEN SOME TRAFFIC AND WE, WE BUILD OUR SITES, DESIGN OUR SITES TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC.
WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SEEING THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AT OUR DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC AT OUR STORES.
WE'RE FINDING MORE FOLKS ACTUALLY COMING IN AND DINING WITH US AND EXPERIENCING THAT SERVICE.
BUT EVEN IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE AS, AS TIM INDICATED, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A SPEAKER BOX YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR ABOUT HEAR YOU.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY TEAM MEMBERS OUT THERE GIVING SOME OF THAT SERVICE TO FOLKS LISTENING, EXPLAINING OUR ORDER, MAKING IT IF YOU, IF YOU NEED SOMETHING, IF YOU DON'T NEED TO PICK, YOU DON'T WANT PICKLES ON YOUR SANDWICH, WE CAN TAKE THEM OFF.
SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE, UM, WE HANDLE IT NOW WITH THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT COME IN, UM, THIS, WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE IS OUR LATEST AND GREATEST AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE ALMOST 3000 STORES WE HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HOW TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC.
WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT IN A NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS, OUR DRIVE THROUGH, UH, TRAFFIC WILL BE WITHIN THAT, CONTAINED WITHIN THAT, THAT TAN AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THE PLAN WITHIN THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, GRAND OPENING IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE SPECIAL.
RIGHT? IT DOES ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE AWAY, WE'LL GIVE AWAY SOME FREE FOOD, UH, FREE MEALS FOR A YEAR FOR FOLKS.
UH, WE ALSO MAKE DONATIONS TO THE LOCAL, UH, FOOD BANKS REALLY BUILD UP A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF, OF BUZZ FOR THIS, FOR THE STORE.
WE'VE KIND OF TONED THAT DOWN, BUT WE, WE'D ANTICIPATE THAT.
WE STILL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME TRAFFIC THERE, UH, IN THAT INITIAL PERIOD.
WAIT TILL I TELL MY WIFE ABOUT THIS.
WELL, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT 200 CONSTRUCTION RELATIVELY CLOSE BY, YOU KNOW, IN SCARSDALE, YONKERS.
UH, WE JUST HAVE A, ANOTHER ONE WE GOT APPROVED ACROSS THE RIVER OVER IN ROCKLAND COUNTY AND ETTE.
SO, UH, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF LOCATIONS LOOKING FORWARD.
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THESE THAT ARE A LOCAL HERE THAT'S OPENING? UM, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE, BUT I WAS JUST BY THE ONE IN YONKERS.
AND I MEAN, THE SIGNS ARE ON THE BUILDING ALREADY, SO IT'S PROBABLY IN A, IN A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF, UH, WEEKS.
WE, I WOULD IMAGINE WE'D BE OPEN.
IT'LL TAKE SOME OF THE WEIGHT AWAY FROM US.
HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE, UM, REALLY DINE IN? WHAT'S THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT? SO, UM, IF I, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME REAL ROUGH PERCENTAGES IF THAT'S IT'S OKAY.
SO, UM, WE GET ABOUT 50 55 TO UP TO 60% OF CARS GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT, UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ABOUT 15% OF OUR FOLKS ARE, ARE DINING IN.
IT'S A LITTLE LOWER THAN IT WAS PRIOR TO, TO COVID.
WE USED TO HAVE ABOUT 20% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE DINE IN.
UM, WHAT WE FOUND IS THE ACTUAL BIGGEST INCREASE HAS BEEN THE THIRD PARTY DELIVERIES.
UM, AGAIN, UM, THE SITES ARE DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY HOW WE HAVE DOORS AND HOW WE, WE PROVIDE, UM, FOOD TO THEM.
BUT THESE FACILITIES ARE DESIGNED, AND I CAN'T SAY THAT THIS FACILITY'S GONNA OPEN THIS WAY, BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES TO BE A MOBILE THROUGH DRIVE-THROUGH, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN ORDER ON YOUR PHONE HERE, GET IN YOUR CAR, DRIVE THERE AS YOU APPROACH IT, KNOWS YOU'RE COMING, KNOWS YOUR PHONE'S COMING, THE GEOFENCING, AND YOU CAN JUST ACTUALLY LITERALLY JUST PULL INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND YOUR FOOD WILL BE WAITING FOR YOU WHEN YOU GET THERE.
UM, NOT EVERY STORE HAS THAT TECHNOLOGY, BUT THIS ONE WILL HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.
IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE OPEN DAY ONE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOTTA TRAIN OUR STAFF AND, AND CUSTOMERS.
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ROLLING THAT OUT THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND I'M THE LAWYER, SO I CAN'T ANSWER ANY GEOFENCING QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT, BUT I WILL SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT CHICK-FIL-A AND THE STUDY OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE QUEUES, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S NEGATIVE DECLARATION, IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND THE QUEUING DEMANDS AND THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
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ON EXAMPLES OF OPERATING CHICK-FIL-AS, AND THE AMOUNT OF OFF STREET PARKING AND QUEUING SPACES PROPOSED HERE IS FAR MORE THAN WHAT THOSE OTHER FACILITIES ARE SEEING.AND THOSE ARE IN EX, UH, EXHIBIT E OF THE ENCYCLOPEDIA.
UM, BUT I, I THINK IF I COULD JUST RUN THROUGH THE AREA VARIANCES NOW QUICKLY, AND I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE 12 AND 14, SO I CAN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND I'M GOING OFF THE LATEST BUILDING DEPARTMENT DETERMINATION FROM OCTOBER OF 2023.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, A SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR THE DETACHED CANOPY ALONG TERRYTOWN ROAD THAT IS MEASURED 6.8 FEET FROM THE TERRYTOWN ROAD LOT LINE WHERE 40 FEET IS REQUIRED.
THE EXISTING CVS BUILDING THERE IS ONLY SET BACK 2.7 FEET FROM THE LOT LINE.
SO WE ARE IMPROVING AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ALSO MEASURED FROM THE CANOPY EDGE TO THE LOT LINE, NOT TO TERRYTOWN ROAD.
AND IN FACT, THE CANOPY IS 40.4 FEET FROM TERRYTOWN, THE EDGE OF THE PAVE PAVEMENT ON TERRYTOWN ROAD.
NOW, THE NEED FOR THE CANOPY, WE HEARD IT A LITTLE BIT HERE THIS EVENING ALREADY.
IT EXPEDITES THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
UM, IT'S WHERE TEAM MEMBERS WILL TAKE YOUR ORDERS, DIRECT TRAFFIC, ANSWER QUESTIONS, TAKE PAYMENT SO PEOPLE CAN JUST SMOOTHLY GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT ALSO PROTECTS THE DRIVER AND THE TEAM MEMBERS FROM INCLEMENT WEATHER.
UM, THIS AREA, IF WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RENDERED SITE PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE, IT SHOWS THAT THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE, UM, TO ENHANCE, UH, THE, THE VIEWS.
THE SECOND AREA VARIANCE IS AGAIN, A SIDE YARD SETBACK, BUT THE FROM TARRYTOWN ROAD, BUT THIS IS RELATED TO THE PRINCIPLE BUILDING.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE CANOPY THERE IS NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
SO HERE'S WHERE ONE ZONING REQUIREMENT TRIGGERS TWO VARIANCES.
WE NEED ONE FROM THE CANOPY AND THE BUILDING.
UM, THE BUILDING IS 36.8 FEET AWAY FROM THE LOT LINE WHERE 40 FEET IS REQUIRED.
UM, THE EXISTING CVS BUILDING, AGAIN, IS ONLY 2.7 FEET FROM THAT LOT LINE.
SO WE'RE IMPROVING AN EXISTING NONCONFORMITY.
AND THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY 72.5 FEET FROM TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT, AND THIS WAS THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WERE HAPPY TO DO, IS THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION THERE, UM, CHICK-FIL-A ADDED MORE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THAT SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THEY ADDED MORE STONE WORK AND, UH, STONE LOOKING FACADE THERE.
SO THAT AS PEOPLE CAME NORTH ON TERRYTOWN ROAD, UM, THAT'S THE VIEW THEY WERE SEEING.
EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, IT WILL APPEAR AS THOUGH IT IS THE FRONT.
AGAIN, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IS TO MAXIMIZE THE DRIVE THROUGH LENGTH.
UH, VARIANCE NUMBER THREE IS AGAIN A SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND THIS IS FROM THE ATTACHED CANOPY FROM COUNTY CENTER ROAD LOT LINE.
SO THAT CANOPY IS ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S A PART OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
THE ATTACHED CANOPY IS 5.4 FEET, WHERE 40 FEET IS REQUIRED.
THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S OPEN AIR UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY.
THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY 36 FEET FROM COUNTY CENTER ROAD LOT LINE.
NOW THE EXISTING CVS BUILDING IS BUILT RIGHT ON THE LOT LINE.
SO THERE IS A ZERO FOOT SETBACK THERE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE IMPROVING AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY.
NOW, AREA VARIANCE NUMBER FOUR IS A TOTAL SIDE YARDS.
SO IF YOU NEED AN AREA VARIANCE FOR A SIDE YARD, YOU INHERENTLY NEED AN AREA VARIANCE FOR THE TOTAL SIDE YARDS.
SO 42.2 FEET OR 80 FEET IS REQUIRED.
UM, AREA VARIANCE NUMBER FIVE, AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WAS COUNTING AS ONE, YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN COUNTING AS TWO, UM, DISTANCE FROM OFF STREET PARKING TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING 10 FEET IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE TIM HAS ZOOMED IN, NOW YOU HAVE THOSE HANDICAP SPACES ARE 7.7 FEET FROM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING WHERE 10 IS REQUIRED.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANTED THOSE A DA HANDICAP SPACES CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.
UH, AT THE PLANNING BOARD'S SUGGESTION, UM, WE HAVE ADDED BOLLARDS IN FRONT OF THOSE, UM, SPACES SO THAT
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THE CARS WON'T OVERHANG ONTO THE WALKWAY INTO THE BUILDING.UH, IF WE WERE TO, LET'S SAY, MOVE THOSE SPACES BACK TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE, WE'D LIKELY LOSE TWO PARKING SPACES, BUT WE WOULD ALSO INCREASE INTERNAL CONFLICT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NARROW THAT ACCESS DRIVE.
UM, NOW THE REALLY TRICKY ONE THAT TOOK ME A LITTLE WHILE TO UNDERSTAND IS THE DISTANCE FROM OFF STREET PARKING TO COUNTY CENTER ROAD IS, OR EXCUSE ME, OFF STREET PARKING TO THE BUILDING ALONG COUNTY CENTER ROAD WHERE THAT NUMBER FIVE IS, IS ZERO FEET, WHERE 10 IS REQUIRED.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CLASSIFIES DRIVE THROUGH Q SPACES AS PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE SPACE IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING AND IT HAS TO BE, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FOOD.
SO ANY DRIVE THROUGH IS GONNA REQUIRE THAT VARIANCE.
UH, NUMBER SIX IS THE OFF STREET PARKING VARIANCE.
AGAIN, WE HAVE 112 PROPOSED WHERE 143 ARE REQUIRED.
49 ARE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG 30 ARE IN THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
AGAIN, YOU JUST HEARD 60, 65% OF THE BUSINESS'S DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, AND THE DESIGN WAS FOCUSED ON MAXIMIZING THE LENGTH OF THAT DRIVE THROUGH.
NOW WE LOOKED AT EIGHT OTHER FACILITIES TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS, WHETHER THIS AREA VARIANCE WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
THE AVERAGE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, UH, FOR A FACILITY OF THIS SIZE IN THIS SOMEWHAT OF A, A, A DEMOGRAPHIC AREA WITH 62 SPACES.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, I THINK IT'S 82 JUST ON THE TOWN LOT ITSELF WITH THE 30 TEAM MEMBERS IN WHITE PLAINS.
SO WE'RE ABOVE AVERAGE COMPARED TO OTHER CHICK-FIL-A FACILITIES, AND ALSO THE FACILITIES THAT WERE STUDIED.
UH, WE ASKED THOSE OPERATORS WHETHER OR NOT THERE ANY OVERFLOW, ANY PARKING, YOU, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS AND THEY HAD NO REPORTED ISSUES.
UM, AGAIN, THE PARKING AREAS WILL BE SCREENED.
UM, AND ALBEIT IT MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE IT, THERE IS AN OVERALL REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES HERE.
AREA VARIANCE NUMBER SEVEN IS A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AND THIS IS THE DISTANCE FROM OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO THE LOT LINE.
SO ON OLD KENKO ROAD, WE HAVE AN OFF STREET PARKING SPACE THAT'S 3.4 FEET WHERE 20 IS REQUIRED.
THE EXISTING CVS PARKING CONFIGURATION IS 1.8 FEET AWAY FROM THAT LOT LINE.
SO WE ARE IMPROVING IN EXISTING NONCONFORMITY, UH, AND WE ARE ALSO ADDING LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA.
NOW, THAT PARKING SPACE, BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE IS ACTUALLY 16 FEET FROM THE OLD KENKO EDGE LINE.
UM, SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 13 FEET THERE.
UH, THAT AFTER WIDENING WILL STILL ACT AS A BUFFER FROM THAT PARKING SPACE.
IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
UM, AREA VARIANCE NUMBER EIGHT, AGAIN, IS A OFF STREET PARKING VARIANCE TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK ALONG COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
THIS IS GONNA BE 2.4 FEET WHERE 10 IS REQUIRED.
THIS PARKING SPACE IS ACTUALLY 11.3 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF COUNTY CENTER ROAD BECAUSE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY AREA THERE, AGAIN, THE EXISTING CVS BUILDING IS ZERO FEET.
IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC OF THE CURRENT SITUATION ON THE PROJECT SITE AREA VARIANCE, OH, DID I MISS ONE HERE? OH, THAT WAS EIGHT.
NOW WE'RE ONTO NINE SIDE YARD PARKING SETBACK AGAIN, BUT FOR TERRYTOWN ROAD.
AND THIS IS 2.2 FEET WHERE 10 FEET IS REQUIRED.
THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, WHERE A DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE SPACE IS IDENTIFIED AS A PARKING SPACE UNDER YOUR CODE.
IT'S ACTUALLY 36.7 FEET AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF TERRYTOWN ROAD.
AGAIN, THERE'S BUFFERING STREET TREES AND SO FORTH SEPARATING THE DRIVE THROUGH FROM TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, NUMBER 10, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING EARLIER.
THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS THAT ARE 17 FEET HIGH WHERE 14 FEET IS REQUIRED.
THOSE WERE REDUCED PER A PLANNING BOARD COMMENT FROM 27 FEET TO 17 FEET.
UM, THIS IS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SAFETY CONCERNS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING
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AREA.UM, BECAUSE THE LIGHTS WILL BE DOWNWARD FACING AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SHORTER LIGHT POLES CREATE A HOTSPOT AND THEY DON'T, UH, SPREAD OUT THE LIGHTING.
SO SHORTER POLES MEANS MORE POLES A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
YOU'RE ABLE TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLES THAT YOU HAVE.
WE DO HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S NO EXCESSIVE SPILLAGE OFF OF THE PROJECT SITE.
NUMBER 11 IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THE ACCESSORY SHED.
THIS IS 21.8 FEET OR 30 FEET IS REQUIRED.
THIS IS FOR STORAGE AND MAINTENANCE MATERIALS.
WE PROVIDED, PROVIDED EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN YOUR, IN OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 75 SQUARE FEET, UM, AND RESEMBLES THE BUILDING.
WE, AS TIM ALLUDED TO EARLIER, THIS IS A LANDSCAPED AREA, BUT THIS LOCATION WAS CHOSEN AFTER A FEW DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WITH THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE WE WANTED IT IN A LOCATION WHERE IT WOULD DETER CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIANS, BUT ALSO FOLKS UTILIZING THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THEIR PARKING SPACES.
UH, NOW NUMBER 12 IS A COUNTY CENTER ROAD SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR THAT SAME ACCESSORY SHED.
IT'S PROPOSED TO BE 19.5 FEET WHERE 40 FEET IS REQUIRED.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THE EXISTING CVS BUILDING RIGHT ON THIS LOT LINE.
UM, AND THIS WAS DEEMED AFTER MONTHS AND MONTHS OF REVIEW TO BE, UH, A LOCATION WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CONFLICT.
NOW, AGAIN, I KNOW 12 IS A, IS A DAUNTING NUMBER.
UM, BUT I, I HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE ARE IMPROVING EXISTING CONDITIONS WHERE POSSIBLE WITH ZONING.
NONCONFORMITIES AND I, YOU KNOW, IMPLORE THIS BOARD TO REALLY LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THESE AREA VARIANCES WHEN DETERMINING THEIR SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY LETTER THAT WE SUBMITTED IN OUR APPLICATION PACKAGE GOES THROUGH THE STANDARDS, WHICH THIS BOARD CERTAINLY IS WELL AWARE OF.
UM, BUT GIVEN THAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THE AREA VARIANCE WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE DESIGNED FOR AN EFFICIENT SITE, UH, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE, THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT FAR OUTWEIGHS ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
I WILL SAY WE, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME LETTERS.
UH, MR. GREELEY HAS RESPONDED TO THAT.
UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO ADDRESS ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
WHERE DOES THE SNOW GO? DOES THAT INTERFERE AT ALL WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT IN THE GEOFENCING IS NOT A LAWYER QUESTION? SURE.
SO ON, ON YOUR SMALLER SNOWFALL EVENTS, 2, 3, 4 INCHES.
UM, IT WOULD BE PUSHED AROUND THE PERIMETER IN THE LANDSCAPED AREAS.
UH, AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY RESULTS IN A DECREASE OF IMPERVIOUS AREA AND AN INCREASE IN GREEN SPACE OR AREAS TO STORE THE SNOW.
SHOULD THERE BE A, A LARGER SNOW EVENT? THEY COULD CERTAINLY HAUL IT OFF THE SITE, BUT THIS IS, UM, CREATING A BETTER CONDITION THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.
SO IT WON'T CUT DOWN PARKING SPACES.
OH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? JUST A SECOND.
UH, IS YOUR MIC IN MUTE? SORRY.
MY QUALIFICATIONS TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT IS I WAS A MEMBER OF THE MARKING COMMITTEE OF THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO DESIGNED THE MANUAL THAT YOU'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
I'VE READ OF EVERY SINGLE MANUAL THAT'S EVER BEEN WRITTEN.
I KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT AND WHY THEY WERE MADE.
THE 2023 MANUAL WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER AND IT CHANGED EVERYTHING.
YOU RECOGNIZE THAT ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL THE WORLD IS DIFFERENT.
IT SAID YOU AT A LOCAL JURISDICTION KNOW WHAT YOUR PEOPLE NEED.
WE CAN'T MAKE ONE SIZE FIT ALL JUST WHAT YOU'RE LEARNING THROUGHOUT
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THE WORLD TODAY.IN PARTICULAR, THE PARKING THAT THEY SHOW THERE IN THE FUTURE, PARKING SPACES HAVE TO BE SIX INCHES WIDER.
WHY? LOOK OUT THE WINDOW PEOPLE BACKED INTO THOSE SPACES.
THE TENDENCY TODAY IS NOT TO PULL IN, BUT THE BACK END BECAUSE IT'S SAFER TO PULL OUT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THE ANGLE PARKING SPACES JUST DON'T WORK ANYMORE.
THE ISSUE OF WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THIS OPENS? EVERYBODY'S SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT REALLY IS NO PROBLEM.
RIGHT? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHY PLANES IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THEY'VE GOT THE ROAD CLOSED OFF, NARROWED DOWN, PUT SOME CONES UP THERE.
WHEN YOU WANNA OPEN UP THE STORE, YOU DO THE SAME THING.
YOU CLOSE OFF ONE LANE OF DOS FAIR OR WHATEVER ROAD THAT IS.
I, MY MEMORY IS NOT AS SHARP AS IT USED TO BE.
YOU CLOSE OFF ONE LANE AND EVERY EVERYBODY LINES UP ON THAT MAIN STREET.
THEY CLOSE A LANE REGULARLY TO DO CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IF YOU CLOSE IT OFF FOR ONE DAY? 'CAUSE YOU GOT A BIG OPENING.
THE PARKING THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE CENTER LANE, JUST MAYBE THE LANE SHOULD BE ON THE LEFT SIDE FOR EVERYBODY GOING THROUGH THE PARKING.
AND THE PARKING BE ONLY IN THE MIDDLE.
SO YOU'RE CLOSER TO IT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THOSE TRAFFIC.
WHAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS PLANNING FOR A NEW FUTURE.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU'VE GOT A SET OF RULES THAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW.
IT'S NOT TRUE ANYMORE BY FILING THE CORRECT PAPERWORK.
AND IT'S EASY 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
MAYBE THE PARKING SHOULDN'T BE PEOPLE COME ALONG THE EDGE AND THE MIDDLE FOR THE FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO USE IT THERE.
I HAVE AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR THAT I USE BECAUSE I CAN'T WALK GREAT DISTANCES.
SO WHAT DO THEY DO? STAND THE PROCEDURE IS TO PUT IT AT 45 DEGREE ANGLE INSTEAD OF ACROSS THERE.
I CAN'T, I DON'T WANNA BE PUT INTO TRAFFIC.
I'M NOT GOING ACROSS THE STREET.
NOTHING WORKS LIKE BEING HERE AND TALKING TO YOU FACE TO FACE.
WHEN THEY SAY COME BACK TO THE OFFICE, THEY MEAN STANDING HERE AND TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE.
AND, AND YOU CAN SEE MY FACE AND YOU CAN SEE MY GESTURES.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE BECAUSE THERE'S AN INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOU AND I.
I CAN SEE IF YOU'RE DOING YOUR TEXTING WHILE I'M TALKING.
THE PROBLEM IS I'M GONNA BE 91 IN JUNE.
I CAN ONLY SUGGEST AREAS FOR YOU TO FOLLOW UP.
AND THE YOUNGER GENERATION, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED TO TAKE OVER.
WHAT THEY DESCRIBED TO YOU IS A WORLD THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE A, YOU WANT TO WORRIED ABOUT THE BACKUP FOR OPENING DAY.
CLOSE THE LANE OF TRAFFIC ON THE MAIN ROAD.
WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT THERE? WELL, THE RULE SAID WE USED TO THE 2023 MINE WILL SPECIFICALLY SAYS, DO WHAT'S BEST FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
FILE IT PROPERLY, BUT GET A YOUNG ENGINEER.
NOW, IF WE WERE ON ZOOM, COULD I RELATE TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE HAVE TO BE AT THESE MEETINGS AND NOT ON ZOOM.
WHO'S HE POINTING? I'LL BE GONE SOON, GUYS.
I CAN ONLY SUGGEST A WAY FOR YOU TO LOOK TO GO FORWARD.
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THEY'RE WRONG A HUNDRED PERCENT.THIS IS A VARIABLE INDIVIDUALIZED FUTURE.
DID I TELL YOU THAT I HAD 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE WRITING THESE RULES? YOU DID.
I, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER ALL THE THINGS I NEEDED TO SAY TODAY,
BUT I COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT THE HELP OF PEOPLE IN GREENBERG.
GEORGE WEISNER, CAPTAIN OF POLICE TAUGHT ME NEVER TO DO ANYTHING THAT CREATES A LIABILITY FOR YOUR FAMILY.
AND FROM THAT DAY FORWARD, I NEVER DID.
BROKE A LAW AND CREATED A LIABILITY.
I THREATENED, I SAID I WAS GONNA PAINT LINES.
I WAS ARRESTED FOR THINKING ABOUT PAINTING LINES.
DON'T CREATE A LIABILITY FOR THEM.
IT'S YOUR OBLIGATION OR YOUR WHATEVER TO FOLLOW IT UP.
AND I WHAT? I APOLOGIZE FOR SOME STATEMENTS I'VE MADE OVER THE YEARS AT THE TIME I MADE THEM.
I'VE LEARNED SINCE THAT THEY WERE WRONG.
I APOLOGIZED FOR THE STATEMENTS I MADE IN THE PAST THAT I HAVE SINCE LEARNED WERE WRONG.
I CAN'T APOLOGIZE TO YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE I OWE APOLOGIES TO.
UM, I THINK I WROTE A LETTER, UH, HOPEFULLY THE BOARD HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT.
UM, I DESCRIBED A PESKY GREEN CAR CAUSING ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS. IF YOU GUYS, UH, GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THAT TIM HOPEFULLY DID.
UM, OH, SO YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WROTE THAT LETTER? THAT WAS ME.
SO I WORK, I WORK FOR THE BUILDING, THE OFFICE BUILDING, THE FLEXIS BUILDING THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS THAT I HEARD THE BOARD SAY TONIGHT.
AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, TOUCH ON A FEW OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE I BEGIN.
UM, YOU SAID WHAT DOES CHICK-FIL-A DO? WHY IS IT SO SPECIAL? WELL, CHICK-FIL-A DOES A GREAT JOB.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH THEIR SERVICE.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH THEIR FOOD.
AND ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY THAT'S WHY I AM HERE BECAUSE THEY DO SUCH A GREAT JOB.
I THINK EVERYONE'S UNDERESTIMATING, UH, JUST THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS, UH, IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE IN THE AREA.
I'VE DONE IT IN WRITING AND I'LL, I'LL DO IT IN PERSON.
HIS PLAN IS GREAT AT MITIGATING MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT.
UM, BUT HE'S, HE'S NOT TOTALLY THERE WITH IT.
AND A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL JUST TOUCH ON REAL QUICK, BUT, UM, YOU, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THEIR NO, I, I PLANNING? NO.
THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSSIONS I HAVE.
I I'VE BEEN PART THE, I THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF KIRA FORWARD YOU BOTH LETTERS.
I WROTE, I WROTE ONE INITIAL LETTER, I THINK BACK IN OCTOBER, RIGHT BACK IN OCTOBER.
UM, AND THEN I WROTE A, A SECOND LETTER TO YOU GUYS AS WELL TOO.
I KIND OF MISSED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOT TO THE WORLD SHE GAVE TO US.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT I, THAT I HEARD WAS THAT THE COUNTY CENTER, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD IS ONLY BUSY DURING COUNTY CENTER EVENTS.
AND THAT IS, UH, 1000% INCORRECT.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY 66 SPOTS ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
THERE'S THREE HOUR FREE PARKING.
AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GIVES $50 TICKETS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UH, THAT PARKING, THAT STREET PARKING IS PACKED EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WE HAVE 278 PARKING SPOTS IN THE BUILDING.
AND WE ARE AT CAPACITY UP UNTIL FOUR 30.
THAT'S OUR FIRST WAVE LEAVES BETWEEN FOUR 30 AND FIVE O'CLOCK.
AND OUR SECOND WAVE STARTS TO COME IN.
THAT SECOND WAVE IS ACADEMY OF SKINCARE, WHICH IS A BEAUTY SCHOOL THAT IS OPENED UP AND THEY TEACH PEOPLE THERE.
WE HAVE THE CHURCH THAT HOLDS EVENTS, UH, THAT PARKING LOT STARTS TO FILL UP.
WE HAVE A WORLD CLASS JIUJITSU PROGRAM.
THE KIDS PROGRAM, I THINK IS OVER A HUNDRED KIDS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE THERE.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A BALLET I MENTIONED THEN ROBOTICS, THERE'S A ROBOTICS PROGRAM AS WELL TOO, WHERE
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KIDS BUILD ROBOTS.AND JUST SEE MY OTHER, WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT BUILDING? UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THE WHITE ONE.
THAT'S THE OLD VERIZON BUILDING.
UM, THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED IN THE LETTER ARE THE THINGS I JUST WANNA SPEAK ABOUT TODAY.
UH, AND REALLY THEY, THEY TALK ABOUT MITIGATING, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE PERSON, ONE SELFISH INDIVIDUAL PERSON, I MEAN, NONE EXISTS IN NEW YORK STATE, BUT ONE SELFISH INDIVIDUAL PERSON DOESN'T WANNA FOLLOW ANY OF THE RULES.
WHAT HAPPENS? AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, TIM'S GREAT PLAN, WHICH IS GREAT, TOTALLY GETS BOGGED DOWN AND DESTROYED.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC ENTERING.
AND, AND THE SITE ENHANCEMENT THAT THEY SPOKE ABOUT WAS GREAT AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING THAT.
THEY'RE MAKING THE ROAD WIDER, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE LANE GOING IN.
THERE'S NOTHING STRIFE OR LYING TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO MAKE A LEFT IN NESTOS.
IF SOMEONE STOPS TO MAKE A LEFT IN NEROS TRAFFIC IMMEDIATELY BACKS UP ON ONE 19.
CAN'T I THOUGHT THEY SAID THEY WERE MAKING A LANE TO DO THAT.
HE SAID HE IS MAKING A LEFT TURN LANE OUT, WHICH IS ON THE PLAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT MAKING A LANE TO TURN INTO NESTOS.
THAT'S A, A SINGLE LANE GOING IN.
THEY'RE MAKING A LITTLE BIT WIDER.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ALMOST THERE.
IF THEY KEEP WIDENING IN IT, THEY'LL, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA GET THERE.
UM, MY NEXT THING IS THE SAME LEFT HAND ISSUE AS THE GETTING OUT OF THE LOT.
UH, THAT SHOULD BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY SO THAT THIS WAY EVERYONE CAN GO BACK INTO THE QUEUE AROUND THE CIRCLE AND BACK INTO THE QUEUE AND EVERYONE WAITS THEIR TURN TO LEAVE AS OPPOSED TO, I'M JUST GONNA CUT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE IN THE LINE.
THE HELL BE DAMNED WITH THE RULES.
YOU KNOW, NEVERMIND THAT THERE'S 40 OTHER CARS THAT ALSO HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
THAT SHOULD BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
AND THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, UH, IS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO WE, UM, ALLOW CHICK-FIL-A TO, TO DO ALL THIS GREAT BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND, AND, AND BE AS POPULAR AS THEY ARE WHILE STILL ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE OVER 60 SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE BUILDING NOW, AND ALL OF THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, IF ANY ONE OF THESE CARS GOING AND THAT, THAT TRAFFIC GETS BLOCKED, YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY SHUT OFF ACCESS TO THE WHOLE AREA.
AND MY PLAN WAS ACTUALLY JUST TAKING THEIR PLAN.
THEY HAVE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ANGLED PARKING IS.
THEIR TEMPORARY PLAN CALLS FOR CLOSING OFF THE ANGLED PARKING AND ALLOWING FOR ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC.
WELL, I'M SAYING WE'LL JUST MAKE IT PERMANENT.
TAKE YOUR QUEUE, STRETCH IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP AND TAKE THE SIDEWALK IN THE ROADWAY AND SLIDE IT OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE TAKING YOUR QUEUE, YOU'RE MAKING IT EVEN BIGGER.
AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE CREATING, UH, AN ACCESS ONLY ROADWAY.
THAT ROADWAY COMING INTO THE CIRCLE BECOMES TWO LANES, 100%, TWO LANES, NOT ONE AND A HALF LANES KIND OF SOMEONE CAN GO AROUND, BUT IT COMES FULLY TWO LANES.
SO NOW CHICK-FIL-A HAS ALL THE STACKING ALL THE WAY TO THE END, ALL THE STACKING UP TO THE GET IT.
AND IT HAS A DEDICATED ONE LANE GOING INTO THEIR SPOT WHILE HAVING A DEDICATED ONE LANE THAT CAN'T BE BLOCKED BECAUSE WE MADE A RIGHT TURN, ONLY NESTOS A STRIPE.
SO YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT AND PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THERE.
AND NOW YOU'RE STILL FEEDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENCE IS, AND THE BUSINESSES WITHOUT BLOCKING THEM OFF.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE, THE CRUX OF WHAT I HAD, SORRY, YOU'RE TYPING.
I I SHOULD, I SHOULD CHOOSE MY WORDS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCISELY AND SLOW DOWN.
BUT THEN YOU WOULD BE LOSING QUITE A FEW PARKING SPACES.
UH, THE PARKING WOULD STAY THE SAME.
UH, WELL ACTUALLY THE, YOU'D BE LOSING THAT WHOLE LINE OF ANGLED PARKING, WHICH IS THE ANGLE PARKING THAT THEY PLAN ON LOSING ANYWAY DURING THEIR TIMES OF HEAVY USAGE.
AND, BUT IT WOULD BE A PERMANENT LOSS OF ALL OF THOSE SPACES.
SO THAT WOULD BE A MUCH BIGGER VARIANCE.
THEY'D HAVE TO GET 60 TO 65% WAS JUST SAID BEFORE IS THEIR BUSINESS.
I AM SAYING, HEY, YOU SHOULD REALLY PUSH FORWARD AND MAKE THESE ENHANCEMENTS FOR THAT 65% OF YOUR BUSINESS PERMANENT.
AND I'M, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A, AN UNREASONABLE THING TO SAY.
I THINK IT'S GONNA HELP THEM OUT BETTER.
REALLY, IT'S HOW TO GET, UH, ACCESS STILL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITHOUT BLOCKING, CUTTING OFF ALL THESE SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL BUSINESSES WERE THERE FIRST.
SO I DON'T THINK THE SMALL BUSINESSES SHOULD SUFFER, UH, BECAUSE A CORPORATE CLIENT WANTS TO COME IN AND GET 14 VARIANCES
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TO, TO HAVE THEIR WAY.UH, THERE IS A, WE CAN THREAD THE NEEDLE HERE AND THERE'S A WAY WHERE EVERYONE WINS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'VE BEEN PROPOSING FROM THE START.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM WITH IT.
UM, YOU GUYS DID TOUCH ON SOMETHING REALLY GOOD ON THE BACK ONTO ROUTE ONE 19.
I THINK IF YOU CHANGE THE ANGLE, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE ENOUGH GRASS THERE.
IF YOU CHANGE THE ANGLE AND YOU ADD A LITTLE ISLAND, UH, TO LIKE A SAFE BASE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET RUN OVER, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY GOOD AS WELL FOR YOUR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD TO THE, TO THE BUILDING.
UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A GAME OF TAG WITH KIDS.
YOU NEED BASE SOMETIMES TO FEEL SAFE SO YOU DON'T GET RUN OVER.
IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE ISLAND THERE AND A AND A STEEPER TURN RADIUS.
IF YOU HAD A, SOMEWHERE I STOPPED.
IF YOU HAD A STEEPER ANGLE, UM, YOUR TURN, YOUR TURN RADIUS WOULD BE BETTER.
YOU HAVE A LITTLE ISLAND FOR BASE AND YOU HAVE SOME LINE STRIPING.
I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO CROSS THE ROAD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? UH, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO SAID THAT THE LIGHT ON KEN, UH, OLD KENCO ROAD AND ONE 19 WAS BROKEN.
THE ENGINEER SAID THAT I'M THE ONE WHO PROVIDED YOU THE VIDEO SHOWING THAT IT TAKES YOU FIVE MINUTES FOR A LIGHT TO TURN GREEN.
AND WHEN IT DOES, IT ONLY LASTS 26 SECONDS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT UH, ALSO ON THAT FIRST PLANNING BOARD, UM, LETTER, THERE'S A VIDEO LINK THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT SHOWS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE BACKS UP OLD WAY TO CIRCLE.
AND THE WAY THE LIGHT IS RIGHT NOW, IT TAKES ALMOST SIX MINUTES FOR A CAR FROM THE CIRCLE TO EXIT OUT.
AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF THOSE SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE GOOD.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE, THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AS WELL.
ON THAT NOTE THOUGH, WHEN, UH, NESTOS WENT IN, THEY GOT APPROVAL FROM THE STATE TO CHANGE THE LIGHT FROM AN F TO A D.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING IT, THAT THE LIGHT WAS TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WENT THROUGH SO THAT THE NEXT TIME IT WOULD GO, IT MUST HAVE STOPPED.
I DON'T SEE, WHEN DID IT CHANGE? YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT LINED UP ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CIRCLE TO GET ALL CARS THROUGH BECAUSE THAT WOULD DESTROY TERRYTOWN RUFFLE.
I SEEM TO RECALL 'CAUSE WHITE LANES IS IN CHARGE OF THAT LIGHT THAT THEY DID DO SOMETHING AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HA MAYBE IT STOPPED WORKING.
MAYBE IT TAKES SO LONG BECAUSE NESTOS DOESN'T GET TRAFFIC ANYMORE AND NEITHER THE CVS.
SO YOU SIT THERE WAITING, RIGHT? WELL, NO, THE CARS COME OUT IN THE MORNING.
IT'S REALLY PEOPLE GETTING RUSH HOUR.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT ROUTE ONE 19, UM, HAS ABOUT 55,000 CARS DAILY.
THAT'S WHY THIS SITE WAS CHOSEN TO HAVE, UH, THIS FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT THERE.
IT'S A GREAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF ALL THE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO HAVING TO, IF YOU'RE ASKING THE STATE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, IF YOU'RE ASKING THE STATE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN STOPPING 55,000 CARS AND LETTING A SIDE STREET GET ONTO THE, I MEAN THE STATE'S GONNA SAY ABSOLUTELY 55,000 CARS HAVE TO TRAVEL.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO I THINK A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE OR ROUTE ONE 19, IT JUST HANDLES TOO MANY VEHICLES FOR IT TO BE STOPPED TOO LONG.
AND SO THESE, UH, TRAFFIC MITIGATION ARE SUPER IMPORTANT 'CAUSE WE'RE RELYING ON THE STATE TO DO THEIR PART.
AND IF THEY DID, THE LIGHT WOULDN'T BE BROKEN.
IF THEY'RE CORRECT IN WHAT THEY INDICATED THAT THEIR PRIME TIME IS DURING THE MID MIDDAY.
AND IT SOUNDED LIKE BEFORE SCHOOLS ARE OUT REALLY? MM-HMM.
TARRYTOWN ROAD IS NOT THAT CROWDED DURING THOSE HOURS.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ROAD THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE IT DURING THOSE HOURS, THAT THE SIGNAL WOULD BE ELECTRONICALLY SO THAT DURING MIDDAY HOURS WOULD CHANGE AND THEN NIGHTTIME HOURS WOULD BE IF THEY COULD SURE.
IF THEY COULD THEY CAN DO THAT.
LET'S, LET'S HOPE THEY CAN, LET'S HOPE THEY CAN.
'CAUSE IT'S TWO PARTS TO THAT THAT THEY CAN'T, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO DO IT.
THAT'S, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME FROM THE BOARD? NO.
ANYTHING? WHERE'D YOU GET THE GREEN CAR COLORED IT? IT WAS A LITTLE PINK HAND.
CONTINUING ON A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
THE NEW TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE, HAVE BRAINS IN THEM.
AND CAN DESIGN DECIDE AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME WHERE, WHERE
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THEY SHOULD GO? IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO SAY, WELL, A STATE WANTS TO DO THAT.SAFETY REQUIRES THAT THE STATE BE FORCED TO USE A TRA TRAFFIC LIGHT WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT CAN FIGURE OUT ON THE FLY, WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
IT'S YOUR JOB PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF GREENBERG AND OTHERWISE TO TEACH THE STATE THE NEW RULES.
IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT, BUT THEY JUST DESCRIBED A FLEXIBLE SYSTEM THAT BECAUSE OF INTERNET, IE.
CAN DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST FLOW AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME.
NOT BY THE HOUR, BY THE SECOND.
THIS WORLD IS CHANGING SO RAPIDLY.
INTERRUPT ME IF I SPEAK TOO LONG.
JUST FOR I WOULDN'T BE EMBARRASSED.
YOU WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST ELEMENT.
ANYONE ELSE? JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANT, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, TWO LETTERS OF CORRESPONDENCE WERE SENT IN, WHICH YOU LIKELY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ.
UH, ONE WAS FROM MARIA GOMEZ, UH, THAT WAS SENT, UM, OVERNIGHT LAST NIGHT.
AND, UM, ANOTHER WAS SENT FROM COUNCIL GREENBERG CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, I DID EMAIL THEM TO YOU DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING.
UM, WE'RE SHORT STAFFED, BUT I DID WANNA NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, THOSE LETTERS CAME IN.
AND I'LL JUST SAY WE, WE DID REVIEW THOSE RECORDS AND YOU'LL SEE THAT EXHIBIT I OF YOUR PACKAGE IS A DETAILED RESPONSE TO EACH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND THOSE ARE THE SAME COMMENTS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED.
SO THE RESPONSES ARE IN THE RECORD.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT, UM, TO THE GENTLEMAN'S CONCEPT, ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT WITH RESPECT TO THE FLOW AND, AND REMOVING SOME OF THOSE DAL PARKING SPACES? UH, PHILLIP, REALLY, AGAIN, A COUPLE THINGS.
SO JUST JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO THE, THE PROBLEM TODAY IN THE FIVE TO SIX MINUTES THAT ARE REFERRED TO IS THAT THE DETECTION SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING.
AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THOSE DELAYS.
PART OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE ROAD WIDENING IS TO UPGRADE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND THAT'S BEING COORDINATED WITH NEW YORK STATE DOT AND WITH THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THEIR CURRENT ADAPTIVE SYSTEM, WHICH THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM ADJUSTS, UH, ACCORDING TO FLOW.
UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, THE WIDENING ALONG OUR FRONTAGE, UH, AT THE DIRECTION OF YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WE HAD INCREASED THE WIDENING ALONG OUR FRONTAGE TO GET APPROXIMATELY 19 FEET OF PAVEMENT TO ALLOW FOR A TURN LANE INTO NESTOS AND STILL ALLOW THROUGH TRAFFIC HEADED NORTHBOUND TO PROCEED.
SO WE WILL FINE TUNE THAT WITH YOUR CONSULTANT, BUT THAT WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S BEEN WORKED INTO THE PLAN.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE PERMANENT CHANGES TO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE THE MONITORING PROGRAM HERE, AND THAT'S THE THE LOGICAL WAY TO, TO ADDRESS THIS, IS IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH LEFT TURNS EXITING FROM THE SITE VERY EASILY, THIS DRIVEWAY COULD BE MODIFIED TO BECOME A RIGHT TURN, UH, RESTRICTED MOVEMENT.
UH, SECONDLY, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS PUT TOGETHER, THAT TAKES THAT WESTERLY DRIVE AISLE.
THE ANGLE PARKING, HE'S REFERRING TO, UH, WE, WE WANT TO KEEP PARKING, WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE, THE TRAFFIC QUEUING IS.
BUT IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT CONDITION, YOU CAN USE IT FOR A STACKING SO THAT VEHICLES DON'T GET ONTO THE ROADWAY.
UH, IF YOU NEED IT FOR PARKING, IT'S THERE FOR PARKING.
SO THE FLEXIBILITY IS BUILT IN.
AND THAT WILL BE THE REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGEMENT PLAN TO CONTINUE, IS TO SEE IF WE LEARN OVER TIME THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR PARKING, THAT COULD BE MADE PERMANENT VERY EASILY.
UM, BECAUSE THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE
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AREA THAT, UH, KIND OF TAN AREA ON YOUR PLAN IS DESIGNED SO THAT THE TRAFFIC, IF THAT BECAME A QUEUE LANE, CAN GO DIRECTLY INTO THAT.THERE'S NO REAL CURBING MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THOSE ARE REALLY THE KEY ITEMS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY CENTER ROAD OUT TO ONE 19.
AT THIS TIME, WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING, UH, STRIPING YOU CAN'T, IT'S OFF THE PLAN, BUT STRIPING TO CHANNELIZE THAT MOVEMENT 'CAUSE IT'S A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT, BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE EXTRA PAVEMENT WITH THERE, PEOPLE TEND TO GET AT A BAD ANGLE SO THEY CAN'T SEE.
SO THERE'S SOME, UH, PRUNING OF VEGETATION AND SOME STRIPING THAT WILL BE DONE THERE.
WE DO NOT HAVE A RAISED ISLAND, BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DOT'S REQUIREMENTS.
IF THEY WANT IT TO BE RAISED, WE WOULD, BUT I BELIEVE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND, UH, THE INTERSECTION THE WAY IT IS, THEY WANT IT TO BE STRIPING AT THE CURRENT TIME.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN ITEMS, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE, UH, A FULL WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENTS.
UH, THEY WERE VERY THOROUGH, UH, BUT WE'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED MANY OF THOSE INTO THE PLANS ALREADY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FACILITIES WHERE YOU HAVE PARKING DESIGNED LIKE THIS, WHERE THERE'S PARKING ALONG THE YES.
SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TIM DESCRIBED AS OPPOSED TO LIKE MCDONALD'S AND OTHERS WHERE YOU, YOU'RE ALWAYS YOUR DRIVE THROUGHS GO THROUGH ALL PARKING AREAS.
SO BASICALLY, UM, CHICK-FIL-A HAS DONE THIS ISOLATED DRIVE THROUGH AREA, SO YOU STILL DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING AREA.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE NEW CONFIGURATION THAT CAME ABOUT MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO.
AND THE EIGHT SITES THAT WE SURVEYED, UH, MOST OF THEM HAVE, WELL, THEY ALL HAVE THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE WAY AROUND.
STACKING THE PARKING LAYOUTS ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE EACH SITE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHAPE.
UH, BUT THE, THE, THE SITES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IN CONNECTICUT AND IN JERSEY, HAVE VERY SIMILAR SITUATIONS TO THIS.
SOME HAVE TWO-WAY DRIVE AISLES APPROACHING THE DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT GETS MODIFIED, YOU KNOW, DURING PEAK CONDITIONS.
THIS ONE-WAY APPROACH TO THE DRIVE AISLE WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER SITE PLANS.
SO I HAVEN'T HAD EXPERIENCE AT A CHICK-FIL-A BUT, UM, I, I WAS ON THE WEST COAST FOR A WHILE AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO IN AND OUT.
AND, UM, IT, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IN AND OUT, LIKE THE OH GRAND OPENING WOULD LAST MONTHS, NOT WEEKS, MONTHS.
AND, UM, AND THE PARKING ALONG THE DRIVE THROUGH WOULD BECOME AND ACTUALLY CREATE MORE TRAFFIC AND BECOME A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T BACK OUT AND THEY WOULD KEEP BLOCKING TRAFFIC AND IT WOULD CAUSE NOISE POLLUTION BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE BLOWING HORNS.
THIS, THIS LAYOUT IS DIFFERENT.
YOU, YOU REALIZING THAT WE HAVE A DUAL DRIVE-THROUGH AREA AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
SO THE OPERATION AND, AND CHICK-FIL-A YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A LOT OF CREDIT BECAUSE NOW A LOT OF THE OTHER FAST FOOD, UH, ARE, ARE GOING TO DUAL, UH, ORDERING WINDOWS, DUAL PICKUP WINDOWS.
THEIRS IS REALLY THE MOST EFFICIENT BECAUSE THE TEAM MEMBERS SERVE PEOPLE BOTH ON THE ORDERING AND THE PICKUP SIDE.
SO YOU GET INTO THE QUEUE, UNLIKE IN AN OUT BURGER OR ANY OF THESE OTHER CHAINS, YOU DON'T GET INTO A DUAL LANE DRIVE THROUGH IMMEDIATELY.
SO YOU'RE SPENDING MORE TIME IN THE DRIVE AISLES, WHICH IS WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LAYOUT AVOIDS.
IT GETS YOU INTO THE DRIVE-THROUGH AREA QUICKLY, EFFICIENTLY, AND PROCESSES YOU AWAY FROM THAT OTHER AREA.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, I THINK
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE FOR, FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF KID THINGS THAT COME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY,
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YOU KNOW, AND THAT PLACE IS PACKED.IT'S NOT JUST THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT NIGHT.
'CAUSE YES, BY THE TIME THEY LET OUT AT NIGHT, YOU'RE CLOSED.
UM, I'D HAVE TO THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE THE LOCATIONS HAVE OTHER MAIN ATTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, NOT, THERE'S NOTHING IDENTICAL TO THE COUNTY CENTER.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME IN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN CONNECTICUT, THERE'S ONE THAT'S NEAR A VERY BUSY SHOPPING AREA THAT'S CONSTANT TRAFFIC FLOWS, UH, IN THE AREA.
SO IT, IT, IT REALLY VARIES FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION, BUT NONE THAT HAVE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COUNTY CENTER IN PLACE.
SO MAYBE YOU'LL PUT A LITTLE PUSH CARD OUT THERE SO THEY CAN
WHEN YOU CLOSE ON SUNDAY, DO YOU ROPE OFF THE FACILITY OR WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO PARK IN THERE ON SUNDAYS? I, I DON'T, JUST CURIOUS.
I'LL MAKE, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT STUFF AT MOST OTHER LOCATIONS, THERE'S NO CLOSE OFF.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SITE TO SITE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ISSUES OR IF THERE'S PROBLEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH HANGING OUT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NO, I JUST MEAN IT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN ON SUNDAY AT THE COUNTY CENTER, SO IT, THERE WOULD BE NO CONFLICTS.
TYPICALLY THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAD THAT EXACT SAME QUESTION RELATED TO THE COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
UM, AND THEIR CONSENSUS WAS THAT GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF, UM, THE COUNTY CENTER, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN, UH, ACCESS TO THE RESTAURANT AS OPPOSED PEOPLE FROM DRIVING FROM THEIR PARKING SPOT AT THE CENTER THAN COMING TO THE RESTAURANT.
BUT THERE'D BE MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL UNLESS THEY HAVE KIDS.
I HAVE A 4-YEAR-OLD AND A 6-YEAR-OLD
UM, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF KIDS ON PARENTS' SHOULDERS.
I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AND MY KIDS ARE 42 AND 45
UM, AS UH, STATED, UH, BY THE LIAS ENGINEER, UH, THE ROADWAY IS ALREADY WIDENED TO 19 FEET, BUT 19 FEET IS STILL ONLY A LANE AND A HALF.
IS THAT CORRECT? I I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT TWO FULL LANES.
UH, LANE WIDTHS VARY FROM NINE TO 12 FEET, UH, BRONX RIVER PARKWAY, AND MOST SECTIONS HAVE NINE TO 10 FOOT LANES, JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO YEAH, WE'LL FINE TUNE THAT IN COORDINATION WITH YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS 19 FEET.
IT WOULD BE PROBABLY STRIPED AS TWO, NINE AND A HALF FOOT LANES, OR 10 AND A NINE.
UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO, UH, A LOCATION THAT YOU CAN CHECK, A NORWALK LOCATION WOULD BE A MM-HMM.
YOU CAN READ EXTENSIVELY ABOUT, UM, THEIR ISSUES.
YOU CAN SEE THE VIDEOS OF PLANNING BOARDS AND THEN AFTER PLANNING BOARDS AND THE, THE NEWS PAPER AND THE NEWS ARTICLES AND THE VIDEOS THAT THEY HAD AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY WENT THROUGH, UH, AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, PARKS DEPARTMENT IS HAPPY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH YOU.
IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE A COUNTY PARKING OVERFLOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOUR, UM, FRANCHISEE CAN TALK TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ABOUT IF YOU WANT.
UH, FINALLY, I JUST HAVE A, UM, THE THING ABOUT THE PARKING PLAN AND THE TEMPORARY PARKING AND THE OPENING, I JUST, UM, MAYBE IT'S THE REALIST.
I I ALWAYS THINK YOU SHOULD PLAN FOR THE WORST AND EXPECT THE BEST.
SO IF WE PLAN FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH IS OPENING AND COUNTY CENTER EVENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND YOU FIND THAT YOU ARE WRONG, THAT YOU DIDN'T NEED TO DO ALL OF THAT THE SAME WAY THAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S JUST AS EASY TO COME BACK AND CHANGE IT, IT'S JUST AS EASY TO GO BACK AND STRIFE IT, REMOVE THE LANE AND STRIFE IT.
BUT I WOULD PREFER THAT IT WAS LET'S DEAL WITH THE WORST POSSIBLE CASE SCENARIO FIRST.
AND IF WE ARE WRONG AND OVERBLOWN, THEN JUST AS EASILY YOU CAN GO BACK.
THAT'S KIND OF, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I, WHERE MY PROPOSALS STEM FROM.
AND I HAVE TO SAY TO TO YOUR POINT, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS AS DILIGENT WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED IN THE BEGINNING.
UM, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE NORWALK STANFORD, UH, MY FAMILY HAS TRAVELED CHICK-FIL-A IN MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
MY SONS THE OTHER DAY RODE WITH
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A FRIEND TO THE ONE THAT'S ON, UM, ON 80, UH, ON 87 AND HAD TO PAY THE TOLL AND DID ALL OF THAT JUST TO GET SOME NUGGETS.SO I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE VOLUME AND WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT CHICK-FIL-A WOW.
AND WHAT I WOULD SAY, AT LEAST WHAT I'VE HEARD TO DATE, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ALL OF WHOM THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO, IS THERE SOME COMMITMENT AND THEY CAN HOPEFULLY ANSWER THIS AS WELL TO DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WILL HAPPEN.
I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT APPROVED IN YONKERS THAT I'M, I WILL WATCH THAT ONE VIGOROUSLY MYSELF BEING RIGHT THERE ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
IT'S GONNA BE VERY INTERESTING.
UM, BUT I'M SURE YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT IN, UM, EARNEST AND ENDEAVORS IS NOT OUR JURISDICTION, BUT IT IS GONNA BE INTERESTING AND THAT WILL BE ONE TO WATCH.
BUT THE POINT OF WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD TO DATE IS SOME COMMITMENT BECAUSE AS I LOOKED AT THE VARIANCES, UM, THEY WERE NOT THE MINIMIS.
UM, AND THE POINT BEING IS ARE COMMUNITIES THAT BORDER THAT, UM, THE OTHER SHOPPING ENTITIES THAT BORDER, THAT THE, UH, BUILDING THAT THE GENTLEMAN IS REPRESENTING RIGHT NOW IS GROWING IN OCCUPANCY.
IT WAS, THEY HAD ISSUES MANY YEARS AGO WITH FINDING, UM, OCCUPANTS OF IT.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW SOME OF HIS TENANTS.
UM, THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE IN THE BUILDING, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE AS A SOUND STUDIO.
BUT THE POINT BEING, UM, AS LONG AS THERE IS SOME COMMITMENT FROM YOUR, UM, AGENCY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO ENSURE THAT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT INCONVENIENCE AND IT IS IN THE OPENING PHASES IN TIM MAURICE POINT, IN THE OPENING PHASES, UH, I'VE SAT IN YOUR QUEUE LINES, THE LONG ONES, UP AND DOWN ROUTE ONE.
UM, SO I AM QUITE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE TRAFFIC CAN LOOK LIKE.
BUT TO THE CHAIR, UH, PERSON'S, UM, COMMENT BY THESE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE OPENING IN YONKERS AND OTHER PLACES, IT WILL, I BELIEVE, MINIMIZE SOMEWHAT, NOT TOTALLY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT BY HAVING THE NUMBER THAT ARE IN OUR AREA RIGHT NOW, THAT IT SHOULD MINIMIZE IT BEING THE SOLE ONE.
SO WHEN THE QUESTION WAS RAISED AS TO WHAT IS THE ATTRACTION AS THEY INDICATED IN THEIR MARKETING PLAN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL IT, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS HERE, UM, IS THAT IT'S MORE SO SCARCITY THAT WHEN ONE OF THESE ENTITIES OPEN UP, IT'S THE ONLY BLOCKBUSTER.
SO WHEN YOU WANT CHICK-FIL-A, YOU ARE TRAVELING, AND I'M TELLING YOU, I HAVE TRAVELED UP TO NORWALK FROM WHITE PLAINS BECAUSE THE KIDS WANTED NUGGETS
SO THE POINT BEING IS I AM ASKING THAT QUESTION, IF THERE IS THAT COMMITMENT FROM YOUR AGENCY, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST AROUND HERE AND I BELIEVE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN'S ASKING, IF THIS COULD BE SOMETHING IN WRITING, UM, THAT WOULD KIND OF, UM, DIRECT AND EASE THE, THE FEARS AND APPREHENSIONS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR ENTITY IS GONNA WORK IN EARNEST WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT INCONVENIENCED.
AND I, I SAID THAT IN A LITTLE BIT LONGER DIATRIBE THAN I WANTED TO.
UM, BUT I DO HEAR HIS COMPLAINTS AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS WERE NOT LINED UP OUT THE DOOR.
UM, BUT I I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THEM AS WELL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN, THE COMMITMENT IS BEST DEMONSTRATED BY ACTION.
AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORWALK SITE.
THE NORWALK SITE WAS ORIGINALLY PROPO PROPOSED, CONSTRUCTED IN OPERATION AND HAD PROBLEMS. BUT WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, AND IT'S IN, I THINK EXHIBIT D AGAIN, IS CHICK-FIL-A RECOGNIZED THE PROBLEM, WENT BACK TO THE, UH, TOWN OF NORWALK, CITY OF NORWALK, UM, TOTALLY REVISED THE PROJECTS, RECONSTRUCTED THE FACILITY TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC AND THE QUEUING PROBLEMS. UM, SO THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF CHICK-FIL-A'S COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THE MUNICIPALITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT AN A SITE THAT DOESN'T OPERATE WELL, THAT'S BAD BUSINESS.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, SAW THAT AND, AND, AND SAW THAT AS A GOOD DEMONSTRATION OF THAT COMMITMENT.
AND WE'LL HAVE IN ITS PLANNING BOARD RESOLUTION, THE LOOK BACK PERIOD, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT SIX MONTHS WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS.
IS THIS FUNCTIONING, UM, DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE RESTRICTION ON OLD KENSICO ROAD? UM, DO OTHER THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE? UM, SO THAT COMMITMENT WILL BE BUILT INTO THEIR RESOLUTION BECAUSE THAT'S MORE TIED TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, BUT THE NORWALK SITUATION SHOWS THAT THE COMMITMENT'S THERE FROM CHICK-FIL-A OH, AND THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL BE A PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION IS THE FRANCHISE.
IS IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, OWNED BY THE FRANCHISEE OR BY THE COMPANY? THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS OWNED BY THE LANDLORD.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AND THEN CHICK-FIL-A IS A TENANT.
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OKAY.SO WHEN IN, IN, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT
SO THE, THE, ANY APPROVAL, ANY CONDITION THAT YOU ADOPT TONIGHT IS NOT, UH, A CONDITION ON CHICK-FIL-A IT'S NOT A CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S CONDITION ON THE LAND.
UH, LAND USE RESTRICTIONS RUN WITH THE LAND, NOT THE TENANT.
UM, SO THAT RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY TO CHICK-FIL-A WHILE THEY'RE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE AND THE SITE PLAN HASN'T BEEN AMENDED, THAT RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY.
WERE YOU EXPECTING US TO, UH, RENDER A DECISION TONIGHT? UH, WELL, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT DECISION YOU'RE EXPECTING TO RENDER TONIGHT.
BUT
UM, SO THAT IF YOU DO WANNA RENDER YOUR DECISION THERE, I HOPE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION IN HERE AND THAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT TO DO SO.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE ANSWERED, UM, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT AND DO THAT IN WRITING.
BUT, UH, WE CERTAINLY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR EXPEDITED, UH, DETERMINATIONS.
BUT YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITH, UH, WHITE PLAINS AT THIS POINT? CORRECT.
SO WE COULDN'T GO TO WHITE PLAINS UNTIL THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS ADOPTED.
UM, WHITE PLAINS AS A, YOU HAVE TO APPLY TO GET YOUR APPLICATIONS.
IT'S SITTING WITH COMMISSIONER ARM RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S GONNA TELL US WHAT BOARD WE GO TO.
WE HAVE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
WE WENT WITH BUILDING COMMISSIONER, ARM PLANNING, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ AND THEIR COUNCIL.
UM, AND WE TALKED 'EM THROUGH THE PROJECT.
UH, THEY HAD SOME MINOR CHANGES, UH, THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT WE INCORPORATED.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN BEFORE ANY OF THEIR BOARDS YET, BUT THEY'RE REVIEWING IT INTERNALLY.
AND, UM, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS ALSO, UM, BEEN IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF INFORMATION TONIGHT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE STILL IN PROCESS.
I THINK WE'RE, UH, READY FOR BREAK.
SO ANY UH, COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED, WELL, NUMBER ONE, LET ME ASK THIS WAY.
DID WE GET ANYTHING FURTHER FROM, UH, GREENHOUSE? NO.
I KNOW, BUT THEY, THEY SOUNDED LIKE THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT APPARENTLY, I GUESS THEY DIDN'T.
SO IS THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT DRAFT YES.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT CAME TO MIND WAS IN THE CONCLUSION YOU'RE HARD TO HEAR.
HELLO? UM, YOU, YOU SAID THE REMEDY IS, WHEREAS, SHOULDN'T IT BE THE POTENTIAL REMEDY? 'CAUSE WHO'S TO SAY THAT THAT'S THE ONLY COURSE OF ACTION THEY CAN TAKE? WELL, TECHNICALLY THEY WANNA PURSUE IT AS THE ONLY, IT WOULD BE THE ONLY ED FINE.
BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING IN POTENTIAL.
THAT WAS IT, THAT WAS, I THINK YOUR RESPONSE TO, UM, DIANE COVERED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
UM, AM LOOKING FOR THE DECISION NOW.
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OKAY.WHAT'S THAT? SAY? I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? THERE'S WRITING THAT'S THERE.
I, I ONLY KNOW THAT'S POTENTIAL BECAUSE WE YES.
THEY'RE LIKE, I GOTTA CHECK MY COWS AND WE CAN'T READ YOUR WRITING.
AND WE'VE GOT A FEW, YOU WROTE A COUPLE THINGS ON HERE AND WE CAN'T READ IT.
WAS IT MEANT TO BE READ? WAS IT MEANT YEAH.
OR WAS THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MADE COMMENTS.
WELL, I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE READING IT TONIGHT ANYWAY.
NO, UH, WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY.
WE MAY HAVE TO DO, LOOK AT PAGE TWO.
WHEN IS THE NUMBER TWO? I THINK IT'S ON THE MAY.
WAS IT? I THINK YOU HAVE THE, WHEN WAS THE LAST PAGE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PAGE.
EMPHASIS THAT EMPHASIS AND ADDED.
WE'LL MAKE THE, THE LAST MEETING WAS MARCH 21ST.
NO, WE'RE MAY I I STATED WHAT IT WAS MAY 16TH.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO WHICH ONE? SEE? OH, OKAY.
SO WE'LL JUST AURN, ADJOURN, ADJOURN FOR ALL PURPOSES OR SHOULD I MENTION THE SEEKER? NO, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA SAY WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED AND REVIEWED A DRAFT AND WE ARE GOING TO REVISE IT FURTHER.
YOU CAN ADJOURN SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSED FOR DECISION.
AS LONG AS THE DECISION'S MADE WITHIN 60 DAYS.
62 DAYS, I THINK OF THE CLOSING OF THE HEARING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON FOR THE MAY 16TH, RIGHT? YES.
UM, I GUESS I SHOULD GIVE IT BACK TO YOU SINCE YOU HAVE YOUR WRITING ON HERE.
THE ONLY THING, UH, TO CORRECT WHAT CHRISTIE SAID ON THE RECORD, I THINK WITH RESPECT TO 2332, IF YOU'RE READY TO MOVE ON.
YOU CAN'T WITHDRAW AN APPLICATION.
WELL, SHE'S, SHE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I SAID I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION BE WITHDRAWN.
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RIGHT.SO I MOVE THAT I GRANT THE APPLICANT'S THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST BE GRANTED.
SO WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT ON THE RECORD.
SO WE WILL CORRECT AN ERROR AND NOW TO THE MAIN EVENT.
WHAT? THE ARM OF THE ARM OF IVY? YEAH.
DO IT HAVE TO BE GREEN? OH, I JUST GOT WHAT YOU I'M, I'M SLOW TONIGHT.
AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON 24 0 2? NO, NO STRUGGLE.
I BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M ABSTAINING.
DOES UH, GARRETT HAVE A UH, WRITTEN MOTION FOR THAT ONE? YOU WANNA DO IT? IT'S, IT'S, OH, THEN WHY ARE YOU ASKING? YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL, ED, WHEN IT'S THE, UH, AMENDMENT OF A CONDITION, THEY WOULDN'T RUN THROUGH THE TYPICAL APPROVAL WITH A BALANCING TEST.
I BELIEVE IT'S JUST A SIMPLE, UM, MOTION, UH, AFFIRMING THE, THE UPDATE.
IS THAT RIGHT? WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A FORM FOR IT.
THEY CERTAINLY CAN DO IT IF THEY WANT.
IT MIGHT BE SIMPLER JUST TO DO IT IN THE NORMAL COURSE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT FACTORS, WHAT DID HE SAY? I DUNNO.
MEANS HE'LL FILL OUT THE REGULAR FORM.
INSTEAD OF MAKING ONE UP ON THE FLY.
WELL, CAN'T WE JUST READ THE OLD ONE THEN?
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY.
YOU JUST TAKE OUT THE, THE FACTOR WHERE YOU MENTION THE FENCE AND WHY YOU'RE DOING THE, WHY YOU REQUIRED THEM TO DO THE FENCE AND EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR MIND NOW.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO DO.
DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS NO, I DON'T CLOSE THE DECISION.
THAT'S WHY I CALLED IT THE MAIN EVENT.
SO ARE WE CLOSING IT FOR DECISION ONLY? ARE WE GONNA COME UP WITH SOMETHING TONIGHT? I MEAN, I, I I CAN PROBABLY WRITE SOMETHING UP FOR THEM.
UM, AS A DRAFT TONIGHT, YOU MEAN? YEAH.
I, SO NOW WE MOVE ON TO 24 0 6, WHICH IS THE KITCHEN REMODEL COMMENTS, ANYTHING IN MY OPINION, SINCE IT'S ABOUT 68, 68 SQUARE FEET, FEET, I'M OKAY WITH THE 1.6%.
OVERALL, THEY'RE BELOW 15, RIGHT BELOW 15% ON THEIR INCREASE IN THE FAR.
SO ANY COMMENTS FROM THIS SIDE OF THE PEANUT GALLERY?
THEY'RE USING PARDON? TILE
IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL AND MODERN.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
ARE YOU STILL THINKING? ME? YES.
DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL? YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT? NO YOU DIDN'T.
SO SINCE YOU'RE NOT DOING THE OTHER ONE, THE OTHER ONE.
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BLESS, BLESS YOU.YOU WANT ME TO WRITE THE FINDINGS TONIGHT, ED? OR CAN I DO IT TOMORROW? YOU'LL BE DO IT TOMORROW.
YOU'LL BE DO IT IF I DO IT TOMORROW.
WE WON'T BE READING ANY FINDINGS TONIGHT.
UM, SO DO WE WANT TO, GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE THE SEEKER FINDINGS FOR THAT? FOR THAT ONE? THIS, THIS ONE'S A TYPE TWO.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO ASK, COMMENT ON? WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO READ.
WELL, I'VE READ A LOT OF IT BEFORE.
YOU CAN EVEN COME UP WITH INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME WE DON'T HAVE THOUGH.
YEAH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE SOME.
SO I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO REALLY YEAH, YOU'RE JOURNEYING IT FOR ALL PURPOSES.
WHY PURPOSE TO REVIEW SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS.
WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
THE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
WE NEED TIME TO DON'T HAVE REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS.
WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE PLANNING BOARD MATERIALS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE WHAT THEY GAVE, UH, PLANNING.
NO, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD THAT I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE.
THEY MENTIONED SOMETHING ELSE TOO THAT WASN'T FULLY, I THINK THE TRAFFIC REPORT IN THE TOWN, RIGHT? I THINK IT WAS, YEAH.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
I, I RAISED THE ISSUE WITHOUT THE TOWN, SO YEAH.
BUT SOME, IT WAS SOME MENTION ON THE RECORD THOUGH, ABOUT IT HADN'T BEEN FULLY FORMED OR SOMETHING.
IN ANY EVENT, THIS ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES.
DON'T YOU ADJOURN UNTIL THEY OPEN THE
THEY SAID IT OPEN IN A COUPLE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA MIRROR YONKERS.
YEAH, BUT IT WILL OPEN IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
SO WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THEIR EXPERIENCE.
WHAT TIME DO THEY OPEN? WE GO TO THE ONE ON THE 87.
OKAY, LET'S GET OUTTA HERE FOLKS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO OTHER FIVE CASES.
THE WHO? THE OTHER FIVE CASES.
THE OTHER FIVE CASES, WHAT? FIVE CASES? I THOUGHT WE JUST PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
THIS IS EARLY THAT TIME, HUH? I JUST CHECK WITH KIRA, BUT I BELIEVE SO YOU THINK CASEY NOT ON, UM, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON, UM, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS ONE.
WE HAVE TO VOTE THAT WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN.
ARE YOU READY TO TAKE THE VOTES ON THESE? WHAT'S POSSIBLE? NO, NO.
HUH? LET'S CLOSE THE DECISION.
DONE THIS, THIS ONE GUYS DONE THIS WEEK? NO.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO CHANGE WHAT WE ORIGINALLY VOTED THE SAYING THAT, UM, WE'LL ACCEPT THEIR MOTION TO GET THROUGH.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS ADJOURNMENT.
SEE? AND THEN, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, ON THE CHICK-FIL-A THOUGH FROM THE APPLICANT, THEY INDICATED THAT I THINK THERE WAS SOME RESPONSES THAT THEY WOULD, UM, SEND IN BASED ON THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT.
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ANY QUESTIONS.IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED FROM THEM? UM, I, I ASKED THAT AND THEY, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE READ EVERYTHING.
AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE THAT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO, I I DID WANNA ASK ABOUT, UM, THE WHOLE THING WITH THE WATER.
THE WATER? WHAT? YEAH, WE'LL LET WATER, THE NEIGHBORS TALKING ABOUT THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY AND THE WATER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAD TO DO WITH THIS IN THE LETTERS.
IN THEIR STATEMENTS BEFORE PLANNING BOARD? NO, I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO PROBABLY SAY IS THAT WHEN IT DOES FLOOD BACK, I FORGOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT THE NAME OF IT IS THAT'S GONNA CLOSE OFF.
SO THEIR OWN EGRESS IS GOING TO BE BACK TO ONE 19.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THE STREET CLOSED OFF.
I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE PLANNING AWARDS.
BUT ANYBODY TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, ASKED THEM DO THEY NEED, THEY NEED 14, 12.
YOU KEEP SAYING YOU GUYS KEEP SAYING 14.
WELL, THERE'S TWO FIVES, THERE'S TWO FIVES.
SOME OF THEM HAVE COUPLED TOGETHER.
THERE'S TWO, TWO VARIANCES, LIKE TWO FIVES.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ONE, UM, OUT THERE.
ONE WAY TO MINIMUM TO REDUCE THE IMPACT AND REDUCE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE VARIANCES IS TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
HAS ANYONE ASKED THEM IF THEY NEED A BUILDING THAT BIG? WELL, I ASKED HOW MANY, I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW BIG, HOW MUCH SINCE MOST OF THEIR YES, THEY MAKE OF IT.
SINCE MOST OF THEIR BUSINESS IS ON THE, THE RIGHT DRIVE THROUGH, THEY COULD HAVE A BUILDING THE SIZE OF ERNESTO'S.
WOULD BE THE SIZE OF ERNESTO'S.
ONLY MAKING, THEY'RE ONLY MAKING ONE PRODUCT.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WELL, CHICKEN, BUT IT'S, IT'S PRESENTED IN AN ARRAY OF VARIETIES.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY PROBABLY NEED A LARGE WHAT'S FRENCH FRIES? WELL, THEY DO HAVE FRENCH FRIES.
DO THEY HAVE BISCUITS? AND IT'S MADE TO ORDER? NO, I MEAN, MEAN TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY THE LETTER THAT GOES OUT USUALLY ASKS AN APPLICANT IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO REDUCE THE MAGNITUDE OF VARIANCE.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANY EVIDENCE AS TO WHY THEY NEEDED THAT SIZE STRUCTURE.
UH, WE COULD ALWAYS ASK THAT, THAT NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WELL, YOU COULD ASK AJO LETTER.
I'M, I'M, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
ONLY SO THAT THEIR ANSWER COULD BE ON THE RECORD.
SO WE, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT IN THE LETTER AND, AND BUILD THAT INTO THE LETTER.
IT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS YOU HAVE TO DECIDE YES.
IS IS THERE ANY METHOD FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE THAT WOULD MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE? I AM SORRY, I CUT YOU OFF.
IS IS THE BOARD OKAY THERE? YES.
SO REGARDING THE, UH, REPLACEMENT, I, I SIMPLY HAVE HERE THE ZONING BOARD VOTES TO AMEND ITS APPROVAL FOR ZBA CASE NUMBER 2130 FOUR'S TO GRANT A MODIFICATION OF PRIOR CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH REQUIRED A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE EASTER PROPERTY, EASTERLY PROPERTY LINE TO RE BE REPLACED WITH AN ALTERNATE BUFFER OF EMERALD GREEN ARBOR AT A SPACING TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
ULTIMATELY, YES, THEY WOULD BUILD IN RATIONALE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL SUPPORT THAT.
AND THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT DOING FINDINGS TONIGHT THAT THAT WILL BE DONE.
UM, AND, AND REFLECTED IN THE ACTUAL DECISION.
BUT AT LEAST FOR THE PURPOSES OF TONIGHT, THIS IS CLEAR AND THIS, UM, IS EXACTLY WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BOARD INTENDS TO DO.
IT'S NOT LIME GRAIN, EMERALD'S GREEN, EMERALD GREEN ARB AS OPPOSED TO GREEN.
UM, I WILL EMAIL THIS TO SOMEONE OR I CAN RUN UPSTAIRS AND PRINT IT OUT.
I JUST HAVE TO OPEN MY YOU GET THAT TO YOUR PHONE, JUST OPEN NO'S.
I LEFT MY PHONE IN MY, IN THE OFFICE.
E I'M GONNA EMAIL THAT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
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OKAY.YOU HAVE THE SEE HER FOR THIS ONE? YEAH.
BUT THEY DID, SHE WENT TO THE DINNER 24 0 6.
UM, WHO'S GONNA DO THE REST OF THE FINDINGS FOR THIS ONE? WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE? 86 WINDHAM.
OH, THE, UH, THE FENCE BUSH AGAIN.
THE ONE THAT I'VE ABSTAINED ON.
IT'S NOT EVEN, IT'S NOT ME BECAUSE I'VE REALLY OUTTA WHAT SUPPORT YOU'VE GOT.
I, I DON'T HAVE THE FILE, SO SOMEBODY HAS TO GIMME THEIR FILE AND I'LL OH, I CAN GIVE YOU THE FILE.
YOU GIMME, JUST GIMME YOUR FILE 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE OLD TO.
OKAY, WHAT DO I DO? JUST AMEND THE ORIGINAL ONE AND ADD WHAT YOU WROTE POSSIBLY.
WAIT, I DON'T NEED TWO SETS OF PLANTS.
I CAN'T READ CAME
IT'S SO NICE TO JUST CARRY THIS.
OH, I THINK I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I KNOW MY SON TRIED TO GET INTO MY SCHEDULE AND HE MESSED IT UP AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS GOT REBOOTED CORRECTLY.
SO YOU NEVER
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME? DON'T BELIEVE YOU COMING UP WENT SOMEWHERE KIDS.
IF HE DIDN'T, I I HAVE MY PHONE, I HAVE A COMPUTER.
COULD HE EMAIL ME? LOOK, I'M SITTING WITH THAT
SURELY I WAS THE ONE THAT'S GETTING READY TO NOW.
HEY GARRETT, YOU WANNA EMAIL ME THAT STATEMENT THAT YOU, THERE IT IS.
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MM-HMM,SHE COULDN'T GET HER COMPUTER ON.
I'LL, I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
BUT SHE UH, BUT NOW SHE DID SO YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD.
SHES GONNA READ IT TONIGHT SO I DON'T NEED IT UNTIL TOMORROW WHEN YOU SEND ME WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SUFFER FOR.
HOW NICE CAT SAY WE SPENT THE NIGHT SO LIGHT, BUT YEAH, NOW YOU HAVE TO DRIVE TO THE OFFICE TOO.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD REASON.
TELL ME WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY, GARRETT.
NO, WE'RE STILL ROLLING LIVE SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
WELL WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD WITH OUR DECISIONS OF THIS EVENING CASE.
2314 HARTSDALE IS WE HAVE REVIEWED THE DRAFT DECISION, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME REVISIONS TO BE MADE AND THAT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS MAY 16TH.
JUSTIN AND ELIZABETH LEE TO BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
WE DID ADDRESS IT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCEEDING HOWEVER AN ERROR WAS MADE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO CORRECT THAT ERROR AT THIS TIME THAT APPLICANT, THOSE APPLICANTS I SHOULD SAY, ARE REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW AN APPLICATION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? OKAY.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION CASE NUMBER 2332 AND I SECOND IT.
AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 24 0 2.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG AND I'M SORRY, THE ZONING BOARD VOTES TO AMEND ITS APPROVAL FOR THE ZBA CASE 2134 TO GRANT A MODIFICATION OF A PRIOR CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH REQUIRED A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE EASTERLY PROPERTY LINE TO BE REPLACED WITH AN ALTERNATE BUFFER OF GR M EMERALD GREEN RAVIE AT IS SPACING TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER SECOND? YES, I SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO CA COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THAT SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SEEK OF CONSIDERATION.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 24 0 6 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2023 AND DATE STAMPED FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
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I SECOND.AND WITH RESPECT TO THE FINDINGS, SINCE THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT ON THIS RESOLUTION, WE WILL PUT THAT IN THE RECORD AND IT WILL BE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE SECRETARY FOR ALL INTERESTED TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND E BEFORE YOU GET TO THE LAST.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO 24 0 2.
I HAVEN'T READ MY ROBERT'S RULES IN A LONG TIME, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN ABSTAIN FROM A MOTION THAT YOU MADE.
I THINK, UH, YOU SHOULD AMEND THE RECORD TO REFLECT SOMEONE ELSE MAKING THAT SAME.
YOU WANT IT TO BE REREAD? I THINK WE JUST, UH, HAVE WHOEVER ELSE WANTS.
SO WHY DON'T YOU HAVE PUT THEN THAT I MADE THE MOTION.
AND NOW WE'RE AT CASE 24 0 7, WHICH IS CHICK-FIL-A UM, THAT WILL BE ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF MAY 16TH AS WE HAVE MATERIALS THAT WE STILL NEED TO READ THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WE, UM, HAVE DISCUSSED.
AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE ARE FINISHED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE SPRING FOR THIS MEETING, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE WINTER.
SO NEXT TIME WE HAD IT EARLIER IN THE WEEK RECORDING STOPPED.