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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, May 1, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
YOUR MIC.AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 1ST, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. SPARKS OUR ALTERNATE HERE.
AND TONIGHT SHE WILL BE AN ALTERNATE.
'CAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FULL, FULL, UH, ATTENDANCE TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES THEN? SO MOVED.
COR AND TOM? ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE.
UM, WE HAD TWO THINGS IN CORRESPONDS TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE IS FROM THE HYUNDAI ATTORNEY.
WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT.
IT'S BASICALLY, UH, SUMMARIZING WHAT, WHAT THEIR POSITIONS WERE ON THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THERE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC RECORD TILL TODAY, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE'LL, THEN THE AGENDA FOR THE 15TH OF MAY, IF PEOPLE WONDERING ON TELEVISION AS WELL, I'LL BE, BE THE 15TH OF MAY.
SECOND ONE IS, WHAT IS THE LENIS? YEAH, MR. LENIS THELEN EXTENSION.
IS HE, IS HE HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE YET.
WELL, AND HE WAS COMING IN PERSON.
THEN WHY DON'T WE GO ON TO CROSSROADS, THEN START WITH CROSSROADS AND WE'LL COME BACK TO
SO WE HAVE, UH, MICHAEL THOMPSON FROM JMC ON ZOOM, UH, FOR THE CROSSROAD SHOPPING CENTER CASE PV 24 DASH ZERO EIGHT.
SO ONE OF YOU JUST WANT TO SET UP WHAT IT IS.
YEAH, I CAN GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION.
CASE NUMBER PB 24 DASH ZERO EIGHT CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER, UH, APPLYING FOR A PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST TO FACILITATE THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF APPROXIMATELY 3,498 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING RETAIL SPACE INTO RESTAURANT SPACE.
THE PROPOSED CONVERSION WOULD INCREASE THE REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING COUNT TO 1,567 SPACES WHERE 1,549 CURRENTLY EXIST APPROVED UNDER FORMER CASE NUMBER PB 23 DASH ZERO ONE.
AND THIS, THEREFORE, IT NECESSITATES A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF 18 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT THE REDUCTION, UH, DIDN'T NEED FOR THE WAIVER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION, BUT JUST HAS TO DO WITH A CHANGE OF USE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND I'LL LET MR. THOMPSON WALK THROUGH THE TENANT SPACES, UM, THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CONVERT AND SHOW YOU ON THE DRAWINGS.
DID, DID THE BUILDING INSPECTOR GIVE AN OPINION ON THIS? HE DID.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS IT? SO THE OPINION, I CAN GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY.
HOWEVER, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DID ISSUE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER IN CONNECTION WITH THE FRAUD PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'LL, I'LL READ THROUGH IT QUICKLY.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S SUBMISSION, TO DATE, 84 SPACES HAVE BEEN CREDITED BY SHARED PARKING REDUCTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUEST WE'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL 18 SPACES TO BE CREDITED BY SHARED PARKING, WHICH WOULD TOTAL 102 SPACES.
AND THAT'S NET OF THE, THE REVERSAL WHEN, UH, SIZZLER BECAME CHASE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE APPLICANT HAS UNDER U UTILIZED PARKING AT THE REAR OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS IS MOST LIKELY BECAUSE PARKING AREAS IDENTIFIED AS AREAS F AND G SAYS HERE DO HAVE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S SITE DO NOT HAVE WALKWAYS FOR PATRONS AND ARE NOT WELL INTEGRATED WITH EACH OF THE SITES THAT IT SERVES.
AREA H REQUIRES PATRONS TO ENTER THE ROADWAY BECAUSE VEHICLES USING SPACES ALONG THE BUILDING BLOCKS THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THEY PROVIDED SOME, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO IN CONCLUSION, UH, AND AS PART OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S RECOMMENDATION, CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER CONTAINS A VARIETY OF USES WITH VARIED PEAK PARKING DEMANDS.
HIS OFFICE IS IN RECEIPT OF DOCUMENTATION, WHICH DEMONSTRATES UNDER UTILIZATION OF EXISTING OFF STREET PARKING AREAS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT
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AREAS.THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE IS AMPLE PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN USE.
AND BASED ON THIS DATA, I RECOMMEND THE PROPOSED 18 SPACE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION BE APPROVED.
HOWEVER, I REMAIN CONCERNED FOR THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS TRAVERSING TO AND FROM THE UNDERUTILIZED REAR PARKING SPACES.
APPLICANT DE DEPICTS 1,562 PARKING SPACES ON THEIR PLANS, WHICH INCLUDE 359 UNDERUTILIZED SPACES IN AREAS FG AND H AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THESE AREAS TO THE FRONT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER SO THAT THESE UNDERUTILIZED SPACES MAY BE SAFELY USED BY PATRONS AND EMPLOYEES.
IT'S FURTHER RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER REQUIRING EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN AREAS FG AND H DURING PEAK PERIODS ONCE APPROPRIATE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE, UM, ARE BACK ENTRANCES TO THOSE? WE WE CAN ASK MR. THOMPSON? I BELIEVE THERE ARE.
WELL THANKS FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
UM, MY NAME'S MICHAEL THOMPSON.
I WORK FOR JMC AND THE APPLICANT IS THE K REALTY WHO OWN THE CROSSROAD SHOPPING CENTER SITE.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE HERE FOR THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO OVER, I'M FOLLOWING THIS UP FIRST.
THIS SHOWS THE CURRENT TENANTS ON THE SITE.
UM, NORTH IS UP ON THIS MAP, ROUTE ONE 19 HERE AT THE TOP.
AND THE SITE IS IN THE UR DISTRICT.
SO THE CODE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE IS ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND THE ONE SPACE FOR A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD IN THE PAST FOR SHARED PARKING WAIVERS, AND THE BOARD HAS BEEN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CENTER HAS ENOUGH PARKING TO ADEQUATELY SERVE ITS NEEDS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT USES.
DIFFERENT USES AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
AND SO IT, UM, THE SHARED PARKING WORKS REALLY WELL.
UM, THE MOST RECENT ONE, PARKING WAS APPROVED BACK IN JANUARY, 2016.
WE HAD LOT FOR ADDITIONAL RESTAURANT SPACES ON THE SITE IN PLACE OF EXISTING RETAIL SPACES.
LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT WAS SIMPLY A CHAIN OF USE, UM, BECAUSE THE RESTAURANTS REQUIRE MORE PARKING SPACES THAN A RETAIL WOULD.
SO CURRENTLY THERE'S ALLOWED TO BE, UM, 24,335 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANTS BASED ON THE SITE.
WE CAME BEFORE YOU IN DECEMBER, 2023 TO AMEND THAT WAIVER.
THAT WAS JUST IN TERMS OF WHERE THE RESTAURANTS WERE LOCATED ON THE SITE.
THERE'S NO CHANGE AT THAT TIME OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE RESTAURANTS, UM, SPACES ON THE SITE ARE ON SPACE FOUR.
HERE'S THE PANERA SPACES, 1112.
THIS IS THE DARK DONUTS AND THE KU, UM, SPACE 20, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
AND THE DAY STOPPED CHICKEN, UM, WHICH IS THE NEWEST SPOT.
SO TONIGHT WE ARE REQUESTING A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OVER 18 SPACES FOR THE ADDITIONAL 3,490 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT SPACE ON THE SITE REPLACING EXISTING RETAIL.
THE LOCATION IS, UM, SPACE TWO AND NEARBY THE PETS MARK.
THAT IS 2,750 OF THE SQUARE FEET.
AND THE REMAINING 748 IS ACTUALLY PART OF SPACE 20.
SPACE 20 RIGHT NOW IS 4,367 SQUARE FEET.
AND OF THAT 3,498 ARE APPROVED FOR RESTAURANT WITH THE REMAINING 7 48 BEING RETAIL.
UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE SOME OF THAT SPACE WAS SHIFTED AROUND IN DECEMBER TO ALLOW FOR THIS, UH, THE DAYTOP CHICKEN GO JUST HAS ANOTHER PLAN FOR SHOWING THAT THESE ARE THE TWO SPACES HERE IN THE GREEN, UM, THAT WOULD BE CONVERTED TO A RESTAURANT.
AND THEN A PORTION OF THIS SPACE WOULD BE CONVERTED TO REST TO A RESTAURANT TO MATCH THE REST OF IT.
UM, IN DECEMBER, UM, WHEN WE CAME BEFORE DECEMBER TO, TO ASK ABOUT SHIFTING THE RESTAURANTS AROUND, UM, WE TOOK DRUNK SHOTS OF THE CENTER SHOWING THE CURB PARKING OCCUPIES DURING PEAK BUSY TIMES BASED ON IT MANUAL.
WE TOOK SHOTS ON A FRIDAY AT NOON, UH, SATURDAY AT 2:00 PM AND IT ALSO AT 6:00 PM ON THAT SATURDAY.
AND WE TOOK SHOTS TO THE OVERALL SITE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE CLOSEUPS OF THE AREAS IN QUESTION, UM, WHERE
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THE RESTAURANTS WILL BE GOING IN.SO WE HAVE ALL SHOW CLOSEUPS OF THE IN C THOSE ARE NEAR THAT SPACE POINT.
I'LL SHOW CLOSEUPS OF AREA E THAT'S NEW TO THE SPACE TWO.
THIS WAS TAKEN ON DECEMBER 1ST AT NOON ON FRIDAY.
UM, THE OVERALL SITE DATE AT ABOUT 35% OCCUPANCY.
AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSER AT, UM, THERE IS B AND C THAT WE'RE CALLING HERE FIVE.
THAT SPACE 20 WAS ABOUT, UM, 53%, C WAS ABOUT 35%.
AND YOU JUMP OVER TO AREA E HERE FROM SPACE TWO, THAT WAS AT 47%.
SO A LOT OF SPACES STILL OPEN.
UM, WE CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY, THIS IS ON SATURDAY AT TWO O'CLOCK OF THE THREE TIMES THAT WE FLEW, THIS WAS THE, THE BUSIEST.
THE OVERALL SITE WAS UP 42% FULL.
UM, B AND C IS B WAS, UH, 55%, C WAS 42%, AND THEN OVER HERE B WAS 59%.
AND FINALLY, SATURDAY, AS I MENTIONED, SATURDAY AT SIX O'CLOCK, THIS WAS THE LEAST CROWDED OVERALL.
THE SITE WAS WAS JUST 20% FULL.
AND THEN THIS AREA B AND C IS IS 20.
EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU GO BACK, BACK, BACK TO THE, THE, THE SLIDE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHATEVER THAT IS.
WHERE ARE THE WHERE THAT LOOKS MORE, MORE THAN 59, ALTHOUGH BECAUSE OF THE PLATFORM.
BUT THERE'S A WEIGHT RESTRICTION, I BELIEVE.
AND THE PLATFORM IS, IS IS LOT.
THERE'S MORE SPACES THAN THOSE AS YOU GO UP.
ANYWAY, SO THIS IS, UH, SATURDAY AT 6:00 PM UM, 22%, 21%, AND THEN 29% FOR
SO WE, UM, LOAD THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE, SO THE, WE WENT THE THREE TIMES THAT WE CHECKED AND WE, UM, ANALYZED IT, ASSUMING ALL THE VACANT 10 SPACES WERE OCCUPIED AND PROJECTED THE ADDITIONAL USE FROM THE RESTAURANT SPACES AND SO ON.
SATURDAY, AT THE BUSIEST TIME THAT WE OBSERVE WITH THE RESTAURANT SPACES AND ALL THE RETAIL SPACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY TAKEN FILL, WE ESTIMATE THAT IT'D BE 52% THE SITE PARKS DURING THE PEAK DISEASE TIME.
UM, IF WE LOOK AT B AND C, WE'VE GOT 60.9% FOR B, 64% FOR OF C, AND HE OUT 76.6%.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING UP ON THE SITE, UM, TO SUPPORT THAT ADDITIONAL 3,498 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANTS.
UM, AND THE SHARED PARKING RATE, THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PANEL.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKING SPACES, THE CLIENT PROPOSED CHANGES USE AND, UM, RECOMMENDED THAT THE PROPOSED 18 SPACE PARKING SHARE PRODUCTION ALREADY.
UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE, UM, WHEN WE'VE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT HOW IT WOULD MAKE BETTER USE OF THESE SPACES IN THE REAR.
AND, UM, WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST WAS ENCOURAGING EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE CENTER.
UM, SO WHAT VICKY HAS BEEN DOING IS WITH NEW LEASES THAT ARE SIGNED FOR TENANTS COMING IN, THEY'VE BEEN ADDING ENGLISH TO THE LEASE TO US FOR EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE REAR.
UM, AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS SPECIFICALLY OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE IN AREAS OF A AND H.
THE EASIEST WOULD BE MUCH MORE EMPTY.
AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING 25%, UH, CAPACITY HERE IN AREA H ABOUT 30 CARS OR SO.
UM, HOW MANY LEASES CURRENTLY REQUIRE EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE BACK? I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER.
UM, IT WOULD BE TENS THAT WERE SINCE, UM, I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED BACK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS PART.
SO SINCE 2018, SO LIEUTENANT SINCE 2018.
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WHAT ABOUT BJ'S? I'M SORRY? HOW MANY LEASES? JUST SIX.UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, UH, PROBABLY LIKE A THIRD.
YOU SAVE IT IS BJ'S ONE OF THEM.
AND, AND IF YOU HAVE A LEASE REQUIRING EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE BACK, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT REQUIREMENT? DO YOU RIGHT NOW GO? RIGHT NOW WE OPT NOT TO, UH, ENFORCE IT BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE ADEQUATE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE AT THIS, THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ASK 'EM TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE NOT, NOT BEING QUITE SO STRICT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF ADEQUATE PARKING.
THIS IS THE BUSIEST THE CENTER EVER IS RIGHT HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S STILL, UM, A LOT OF PARKING THROUGHOUT THE CENTER.
AND, AND CAN EMPLOYEES ENTER THE, THEIR WORKSPACES FROM THE REAR? YES.
SOME, SOME, SOME ON SOME UNITS.
UH, THERE ARE ACCESS IS DELIVERY, UM, BUT NOT ALL HERE.
AND THEN, UM, SPACE TWO, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE IS THAT? THIS IS, THIS WILL BE SPACE TWO, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SPACES THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT WILL BE AN ACCESS, UM, FOR EMPLOYEES TO COME IN THROUGH THE CAREER.
THIS IS A SPACE THAT'S BEING CONVERTED.
THIS IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND RA GONNA BE CONVERTED TO A RESTAURANT SPACE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I SAID, UH, IT'S EXCELLENT PRESENTATION OF THE PICTURES THAT, UH, IN, IN ADDITION TO A VERY CLEARLY LAID OUT CHART.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, EVERY, UH, UH, APPLICANT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND THE PARKING.
UM, IN TERMS OF SPACE, UH, UH, I LIVED IN THIS AREA, WHAT, 43 YEARS.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT PARKING LOT FULL.
SO THE QUESTION OF, I SAW THE ISSUE OF, OF SPACE FOR, UM, UH, UH, FOR PROVIDING, UM, THE SHARED PARKING TO ME IS A NO BRAINER.
UH, THE BUILDING COM, UH, UH, INSPECTOR DID RAISE A VERY VALID POINT IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY.
AND IF WE, UH, GO TO ENCOURAGE, UM, MM-HMM,
SO WE, WE CAN ON ONE HAND SAY THEY SHOULD PARK IN THE BACK, EVEN THOUGH TODAY IT ISN'T REQUIRED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN FOR, JUST FOR GENERAL SAFETY AND CIRCULATION WITHIN A, UH, A SHOPPING CENTER, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO WHERE IS THE SPACE? HERE IS NOT THE ISSUE.
I THINK THE PROPER CIRCULATION AND SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, WE SHOULD TAKE A VERY CLOSE LOOK AT AND CONSIDER.
UH, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT YOU KNOW IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THIS SHOPPING CENTER IS IN THE URBAN RENEWAL AREA.
AND FOR YEARS WE SAID THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR ALL THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND ONE 19, UH, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT, BUT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE KEEP ON MAKING ADJUSTMENTS HERE, ADJUSTMENTS HERE ALL AND WITHOUT HAVING AN OVERALL PLAN.
I THINK AGAIN, UH, UH, UH, THE MASTER PLAN DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, I FEEL, IN TAKING, ADDRESSING THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, URBAN RENEWAL STATUS OR REMOVING THAT.
AND WE SAID WE WILL NOT DO THAT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS UNTIL WE COME UP WITH OVERALL PLAN.
HOW IS 10 YEARS OLD OR WHATEVER, 2016.
AND WE HAVE NOT COME UP WITH IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO DO, IS TO HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN, UH, REMOVING THE, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THE URBAN RENEWAL, UH, FROM ONE 19.
AND JUST FOR MY OWN, UH, CLARIFICATION, IF THAT WAS NOT URBAN RENEWAL, WHAT WOULD BE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY? IT WOULD BE THE SAME.
SO AND SO IT'S NOT AFFECT OKAY, I'M GLAD BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S NOT AFFECTED.
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THAT'S NOT AFFECTING MY, UH, THE IDEA THAT I'M SAYING.SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AFFECTING IT, BUT GOOD.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN HERE, THAT WE SHOULD, UH, UH, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE.
WE SHOULD JUST LOOK AT SAFE SAFETY AND CIRCULATION.
I WOULD NEVER HAVE REQUIRE AN EMPLOYEE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A BACK ENTRANCE.
IT'S TOO, IT'S A LONG WALK AROUND THAT BUILDING.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR, FOR PLACES THAT HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, UH, HAVE DOORS IN THE BACK, THE CUSTOMERS CUSTOMER, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AREA H UH, G AND F YOU CAN'T, I KNOW IT'S LEGALLY CONSIDERED PARKING, BUT IT'S SO IMPRACTICAL REGARDLESS OF THE LIGHTING, UNLESS THEY'RE CUSTOMER ENTRANCES TO THOSE, UM, VENUES.
I, I ALREADY KNOW IT DOESN'T EXIST.
BUT SAYING WATCH THIS EITHER, IF THERE WERE CUSTOMER ENTRANCES TO THOSE VENUES, I WOULD SAY THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VALID.
BUT MY PERSPECTIVE, I UNDERSTAND IT LEGALLY AND CONFORMING, BUT IT'S NOT PRACTICAL IF TO DRIVE FROM ONE END TO THE NEXT.
EVEN IF YOU ENTER FROM THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS WHERE I USUALLY DO, IT'S A LONG DRIVE TO GET AROUND FOR A WALK, EVEN WITH A WALKWAY.
I DON'T SEE THE WALKWAY REALLY HELPING AT THIS POINT.
THE THING I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THOUGH IS, UH, JAMES C DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF LOOKING AT BAY AREA.
THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE THE MIDWAY, SINCE WE DID THE MIDWAY YEARS AGO, THAT WE NO LONGER LOOK AT SHOPPING CENTERS, UH, PARKING AS A WHOLE.
WE LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL AREA.
AND WHAT THEY, I THINK THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED HERE, JOHANN, IS THAT EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE BACK, THEY'D BE FINE.
EVEN AT AN AREA, I GUESS IT'S F WHICH IS BY FAR THE, THE, THE, THE MOST PARKED AREA IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE.
SO I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE EVEN YEAH.
IF WE ELIMINATE EVERY BACK, BACK SPACE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
I THINK SHE, LESLIE, GO AHEAD.
SPACES WITH JUST THE FRONT ELIMINATED, JUST GOING BACK TO THAT WAS RIGHT.
NO, I WAS ASKING AARON IF THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES IF, IF WE ELIMINATED THE BACKHAUL TOGETHER? NO, THERE MIGHT BE PRACTICALLY, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO CODE.
NOT ACCORDING TO, YEAH, NOT ACCORDING TO CODE MAKES.
I THINK YOU MEAN FROM, UH, FROM A USAGE STANDPOINT, THEY'RE NONCONFORMING RIGHT NOW.
MY CONCERN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES IS THAT TURN OFF OF, UM, RIGHT BEHIND DSW BECAUSE THERE'S, THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE GO AREA, AVENUE TO EXIT.
THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN, AND MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T NOTICE IT.
I SAW THAT THERE WAS SOME NEW STRIPING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEW STRIPING OR THEY WERE RES STRIPING OVER THERE.
UM, BOTH, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.
SO IF THE IDEA THAT THE COUNT OF THE PARKING SPACES ARE INCLUDING PEOPLE NOW GOING TO PARK OVER THERE, THEN THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF WAY THAT THEY CAN WALK SAFELY TO THE RESTAURANT FROM THOSE PARKING SPACES.
FROM WHICH PARKING SPACES, CECILY, THEY MAY NEVER PARK OVER THERE TO GO TO THESE NEW RESTAURANTS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THERE? I'M CONFUSED.
I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S THE CORNER.
I'M, I, THAT'S THE AREA FF THAT'S AREA F.
SO MYSELF, A LOT OF TIMES LEAVING THERE, I'LL SWING AROUND THERE TO, TO GO OUT TO DOBBS BURY ROAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND I CAN'T REALLY SEE PEOPLE PARKING THERE AND THEN WALKING TO A RESTAURANT IF THAT, IF THE IDEA THAT THESE NEW ESTABLISHMENTS STILL WON'T REQUIRE ANYONE TO BE OVER THERE, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT IF NOW WE'RE THINKING THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE OVERFLOW, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED SOME KIND OF WALK, SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK OR SOMETHING.
THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT GOES, UM, THAT ENDS RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
AND THEN, AND THAT'S THERE SWAY THERE LIKE A FIRE LANE OR ANYTHING HATCHED ALONG THAT FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING PAINTED RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S ONE AXIS, UH, SIDE ACCESS DOOR HERE WITH STAIRS.
AND THERE'S A LOADING DOCK BACK THERE.
THERE'S A LOADING DOCK FOR DJ THERE.
WI MEAN WHEN THIS IS EMPTY, PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I I THEY CUT ACROSS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE USING THOSE SPACES.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DEMONSTRATION THAT HE SHOWED US THAT THERE WAS ANYBODY EVER IN THOSE SPACES.
I DON'T THINK IN ANY OF THE THINGS HE SHOWED US, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GO BACK TO WHERE THAT PLATFORM IS THAN THEY'RE OVER THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE THERE.
AND WHEN THEY'RE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU REALLY DON'T.
BUT I, BUT STILL, IF THEY'RE THERE,
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THERE SHOULD BE, 'CAUSE MAY USE IT FOR EMPLOYEES, RIGHT.FOR DSW FOR EXAMPLE, THERE SHOULD BE A, A WALKWAY TO THE FRONT, FRONT OF THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF WALKWAY TO TO FRONT YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT COULD BE JUST, IT COULD BE A CONTROLLED PEDESTRIAN PATH.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, WITH BOLLARDS, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A SIDEWALK.
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO LIKE ALONG THE GOING, LIKE HERE, LIKE A PAINT.
DO DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INFORMATION YOU COULD SHARE THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE PLANNING ON MOVING INTO THOSE SPACES? OH NO, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT AT THIS TIME THEY, THEY DON'T LIKE TO ANNOUNCE IT ANYTHING UNTIL EVERYTHING UNDERSTOOD.
WE KNOW THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TOO.
IT MAKES OUR JOB, IT MAKES OUR JOB A LOT HARDER A LOT OF TIMES.
KURT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? KURT? GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, CONSIDERING THAT, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY A FIFTH REQUEST FOR REDUCTION AND, UH, AS, UH,
BUT CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS SO MUCH OF EXTRA SPACES OR, OR THE SPACES THAT ARE REALLY NOT BEEN USED, AND PARTICULARLY ON THE, UH, THE TURN THAT LESLIE MENTIONED, PEOPLE GOING PAST BY AND, UH, THAT SPACE IS NOBODY REALLY, I MEAN, EVERYBODY JUST CUTS THROUGH THE PARKING SOURCE.
SO TO GET TO, TO GET UP TO DOPPER ROAD.
AND SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT CAN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT AND MAKE IT A NICER, UH, EXCESS ACROSS THE THINGS SO THAT, UH, TWO THINGS MAYBE YOU NEED TO DO, UH, REMOVE THE SPACES AND MAKE IT A LAND BANK OR MAKE IT A, MAKE IT A NICER TURN THERE AND, UH, UH, WITH A, UH, PEDESTRIAN EXCESS IN THE FRONT FROM THE BACK.
SO I DON'T, SO THAT, THAT'S HOW, I MEAN, THE WHOLE WHOLE PARKING LAYOUT IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS IDEA THAT THEY WERE DOING.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK MAYBE 10, EIGHT YEARS AGO THEY CAME BACK AND WANTED TO COVER THE, UH, LITTLE STREAM WITH A, UH, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH A SORT OF CONCRETE PAD.
THEY AND I QUESTION THEY DID THAT.
THEY WERE APPROVED TO, TO DO IT IN THE FRONT.
AND, AND I, I THINK, I MEAN, IT'S GOOD THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, YOU ARE, YOU ARE REALLY, UH, VIOLATING SOME OF THE WETLAND, UH, CONCEPT THAT, UH, COVERING UP THE YEAH.
SO NEXT TIME YOU COME WITH THAT KIND OF PROPOSALS, PLEASE BE
AND SO, UH, THAT'S A SORT OF FUTURE, UH, SUGGESTIONS.
AND ALSO JUST WANNA DO, CONSIDERING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO IT, UH, CONSIDERING THE, WHAT THE TREND YOU SEE IN RETAIL, UH, WHERE, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD REALLY, UH, TELL US ANOTHER MAYBE, UH, THREE, FOUR RESTAURANTS COMING UP AND GET A, GET APPROVAL FOR REDUCTION AT, OF ONE TIME.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE.
IT'S BEEN EIGHT YEARS SINCE THOUGH, SINCE THE LAST ONE.
THE, THE SIDE OF PROVIDE DSWI DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OVER THERE RECENTLY, BUT THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF STRIPING.
THEY HAVE SOME CONES THERE THAT PREVENT YOU FROM CUTTING THROUGH THE WAY THEY HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S, IT'S TEMPORARY.
IF, IF THEY COULD DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE PERMANENT, I COULD SEE IT BEING MORE EFFECTIVE PARKING SPACE AND, AND SAFER IN THAT AREA.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? BISHOP? NO.
MURRAY, THIS IS A WORK SESSION NOW.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS, ACTUALLY FOR MAY OF THIS PAST YEAR, YOU DO SEE A PEDESTRIAN WALKING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN THAT AREA AND YOU SEE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE CARS PARKED OVER IN THAT AREA.
WELL THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO DO THE, TO DO SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN CONTROL OVER THERE.
UM, WE DON'T NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THIS AS, WE CAN MAKE THIS DECISION WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO NEED TO DO SEEKER ON THIS.
I I WOULD HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS.
AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
WALTER, DO WE HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS HAVE AARON
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AND STAFF WRITE UP, WRITE UP IN A, A RECOMMENDATION ON SEEKER AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.THE MEANTIME ALSO, I THINK, I THINK THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING SUBMIT PLANS FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MR. THOMPSON, YOU WANNA SEE SOME PAINTING HERE ALONG THIS SIDE OF WELL, MORE THAN JUST PAINTING, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF BALL, MAYBE THE PLASTIC BALLARDS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS.
LINES DON'T SEEM TO MATTER TO
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT SIDE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THEM ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
IF THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE THE BACK EMPLOYEE PARKING, WASN'T THERE A RECOMMENDATION BY THE ENGINEER TO HAVE A PATHWAY TO THE FRONTS? YEAH, I GUESS WITHOUT REAR ACCESS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EMPLOYEE REAR ACCESS, I THINK THAT CHANGES THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO EXCEPT A CROSSWALK BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PARK IN THE AREA NEAR THEIR, THEIR ENTRANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WALKING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACK, I DON'T THINK.
WHY WOULD ANYBODY DO THAT? I, I FEEL IS NECESSARY.
THE AMOUNT OF TIMES I GO BACK THERE, THERE AREN'T ENOUGH PAR CARS FOR ME TO WANT TO FOLLOW THE STRIPING.
WITH SHOPPING CENTER, SAME THING.
SO THE POINT I'M MAKING IS IF EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO BE MANDATED TO PARK BACK THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE LESLIE THAT'S JUST CUT HIS
I DO WANNA, I COME THROUGH HIM MANY TIMES AND THERE'S NO CAUSE THERE YOU DEFEND HERSELF.
WALTER WALTER DESTINY HAS A FLOOR.
BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T, I DIDN'T GET THAT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT EVERY EMPLOYEE HAS TO PARK IN THE BACK.
ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR STORE FROM THE BACK.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WITH, WITH THE NEW LEASES, IF THERE WAS A SPACE WHERE A RESTAURANT WAS LOOKING TO GO IN AND THERE WASN'T A REAR ACCESS THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT THIS BOARD OR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD RECOMMEND IT, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT ACCESS BE PROVIDED.
WELL HOW HAS, HOW DO YOU DO A RESTAURANT WITH ONLY ONE ONE EXIT? I THOUGHT THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNDER FIRE LAWS.
THERE HAS TO BE MORE THAN ONE EXIT.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE A DOOR.
IT COULD BE, UH, THERE'S NO WINDOWS BACK THERE EITHER.
THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE TWO EXITS, TWO LEGAL.
SO IT COULD BE INTO ANOTHER, INTO ANOTHER SPACE.
IT COULD BE WHERE ARE THERE ARE THESE TWO NEW RESTAURANTS? YOU ARE RIGHT.
DO DO THEY HAVE A SECOND EGRESS? IT HAS TO HAVE, I KNOW.
WHERE IS IT? I THINK HE WAS SAYING SPACE TWO WAS GONNA HAVE SPACE TWO I THOUGHT HAD A REAR ACCESS.
THEY'RE SHOWING YOU THE OTHER ONE.
IS THAT CORRECT, MICHAEL? YEAH.
BUT IF IT'S A RESTAURANT TO HAVE TO HAVE IT ANYHOW.
MICHAEL, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? THIS IS SPACE TWO THAT HAS THE, HAS THE ACCESS IN THE REAR.
WHAT ABOUT SPACE 20? I DON'T, I WOULD ASSUME SPACE 20 HAS, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I THINK OKAY.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE BUILDING INSPECTORS BACK OPINION.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IF SPACE 20 WAS DIVIDED PREVIOUSLY INTO TWO DIFFERENT USES, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY PROBABLY HAD TWO DIFFERENT ENTRANCES.
IF HALF WAS RETAIL AND HALF WAS RESTAURANT, MAYBE.
SO PLEASE LOOK INTO AND REPORT BACK TO US ON SPACE 20.
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU, I I'M SURPRISED I IT PROBABLY DOES 'CAUSE IT, I WOULD'VE EXPECTED OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR TO PICK IT UP, BUT, UM, LET'S, LET'S JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
AND AS FAR AS THE WALKWAY, I THOUGHT IN THE MATERIALS WE SAW, THEY SAID THE, THE PARKING SPACES ARE ALL THE WAY UP AGAINST THE BUILDING IN THE BACK.
SO THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A WALKWAY.
AND THEN IF YOU PUSH THOSE OUT, THEN YOU HAVE LESS OF A DRIVEWAY.
BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD DO IS A CROSS I'D DO A CROSSWALK.
BUT YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IF THE PARKING STALLS GO RIGHT UP TO THE BACK FACE OF THE BUILDING, YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE OUT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO.
BUT IF YOU PUSH THEM BACK FIVE FEET, THEN IT'S INTO THE DRIVE AISLE.
I'M SAYING, SAYING NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE OUT A PARKING SPACE, TAKE OUT AND COME BACK FOR ANOTHER REDUCTION.
SO MICHAEL, WE JUST WANT YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT AND, AND YEAH.
JUST, YEAH, LIKE YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE REAR WAY, IT'D BE TOUGHER REDUCE POSSIBLY THAT HERE, BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING ON THE SIDE HERE.
UM, THE SIDE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A PROBLEM 'CAUSE
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THE SPACES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OR NOT AGAINST THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE.SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE PARKING SPACES UP AGAINST THE BUILDING IN, UH, AREA G UH, SLANTED OR FISHBONE? WOULD THAT CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM FOR I WOULDN'T DO THAT WALKWAY.
NO, BECAUSE YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S FOR ONE WAY.
I, THAT G THAT AREA'S JUST NOT PROBLEMATIC.
I THINK YOU COULD, THERE'S SOME ACTIVITY BACK THERE MAYBE, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE IN MIND.
I THINK TAKING AUDIT, YOU JUST TAKE OUT THE THINGS AND PUT IT INTO A REDUCTION OF PARKING WITH HER.
WITH THE, WITH THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
MY HONEST OPINION IS WE'RE GETTING VERY COMPLICATED ON A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT AND LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE.
AND I, I THINK THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL SAID IS CORRECT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS ARE UPDATED TO INCLUDE THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THE SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TO DO IN THIS CASE AND END OF STORY.
AND, AND ALSO DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SECOND EGRESS.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT.
SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'LL WE WILL, UH, RECONVENE ON THIS WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THE 15TH OF MAY.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE EXTENSION.
DO YOU WANT TO, UH, DESCRIBE IT MR. LINUS? MR. LENIS, COME UP PLEASE.
WAS THERE A MOTION DIRECTING STAFF? THERE WAS TO PREPARE? NO, THIS, NO, I JUST DECLARE I'M LISTED AFTER YOU DID DECLARE.
THIS IS THE LETTER ABOUT THE EXTENSION.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC, MR. LEN.
SO I'LL JUST EXPLAIN IT TO THE, LET LET AARON, AARON EXPLAIN THAT THE SITUATION.
SO THIS IS, I'M JUST GOING HERE.
CASE NUMBER PB 17 DASH 31 LENIS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AT 1 95 GIBSON AVENUE.
UH, AS MENTIONED, IT WAS A, UH, 2017 CASE WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED THE PROJECT IN JULY OF 2018.
UH, VALID FOR TWO YEARS TO JULY, 2020.
IT WAS IN THE MIDST OF COVID, THE APPLICANT, MR. LENNI DID COME IN, IN 2021 SEEKING A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, WHICH THE BOARD WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE.
THAT RETROACTIVE EXTENSION WAS VALID THROUGH JULY, 2022.
RECENTLY, MR. LENNI CAME BACK TO OUR OFFICE AND SUBMITTED A LETTER REQUESTING A FURTHER RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, UM, AND IS PREPARED TO DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HOLD UPS BEEN AND, UH, HIS REASONING BEHIND THE REQUEST FOR THE EXTENSION AND HOW MUCH TIME HE NEEDS TO CARRY OUT THIS PROJECT.
WHAT IS THE EXTENSION? WHAT, WHAT IS PENDING ON THIS? SO WHAT IS THE EXTENSION FOR? IT'S A STEEP SLOPE.
SO AS MR. AARON EXPLAINED ALREADY, UM, WE, BACK IN 2017, WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WE GOT AN APPROVAL TO REMEDIATE SOME STEEP SLOPES, UH, WATERS THAT IN THE BACK, UH, MY YARD.
UM, BACK THEN WE DIDN'T FINISH THE PROJECT AND THEN COVID HIT AND DUE TO SOME FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS, FAMILY HARDSHIPS, WE DIDN'T FINISH THE PROJECT.
I ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION THINKING I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THE PROJECT, WHICH I WAS NOT ABLE.
UH, SO NOW I THINK THAT I'M IN A POSITION THAT I CAN FINISH EVERYTHING, BUT I FOUND OUT THAT IT HAD BEEN EXPIRED.
SO I'M HERE JUST TO ASK FOR AN EXTENDED TIME SO THAT I CAN FINISH THE PROJECT.
NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT EXPIRED IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT? 2022.
SO, UH, AMANDA
IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO GIVE HIM SOME, SOME SPACE TO, SO IF YOU EXTENDED IT NUN PROTON FOR THE 2022 FOR TWO YEARS, IT WOULD EXPIRE IN THREE MONTHS.
UM, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION FOR TWO YEARS TO GIVE HIM TIME TO DO THE WORK.
THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE PLANS AS FAR AS WE'RE AWARE.
THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS OR ANYTHING.
UM, IF IT WERE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, IT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF JUST A, LIKE, JUST FOR PROCEDURE PURPOSES.
UM, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CHANGE YOUR DECISION ON IT.
IT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA TO DO SO.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE SHOULD ACTUALLY DO A NON PROTON TILL THROUGH JULY.
AND THEN, UM, A TWO YEAR EXTENSION
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OF THAT, A TWO YEAR EXTENSION TO JULY OF 26.SO WOULD BE VOTING ON 2 2 2 EXTENSIONS THAT YES.
WOULD THAT BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO COMPLETE? YES.
I HAVE EVERYTHING I HOLD ON MICHAEL.
THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE LEGALLY DO THAT? CAN WE, OR WE COULD DO IT RETROACTIVELY AND THEN IN JULY HE COMES BACK AND DO IT.
CAN WE DO THEM BOTH NOW? QUESTION.
MICHAEL, WHAT EXACTLY IS LEFT TO BE DONE? THAT QUESTION? NO, THE WHOLE PROJECT.
WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE WHOLE PROJECT ENTAIL? IS, IS INSTALLING SOME DRAINAGE IN THE BACKYARD AND BACK FILLING A HOLE IN A, IN A RETAINING WALL.
ALRIGHT, SO NOTHING'S BEEN DONE? NO, NO, NO, NO.
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT MOTIONS OF WHAT STARTED TO DO.
AND ARE YOU READY TO START THE WORK? YES, I'M READY TO START RIGHT NOW.
AND HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE? UH, IS EVERYTHING GOES WELL.
AND YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO FINISH IT? YES.
ARE YOU THE APPLICANT OR THE CONTRACTOR? I AM THE APPLICANT.
YOU'RE THE WHOLE BALL IN WHAT? THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX.
OKAY, SO, SO YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY TO START IT.
YOU THINK YOU COULD FINISH IN A FEW MONTHS AND YOU READY TO GO? YES.
SO, UH, THE TWO TWO YEAR EXTENSION GOES TO JULY 24 OF 24.
AND THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE 26.
WELL, WE DON'T NEED, OR YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT ONE YEAR, ONE MORE YEAR IS MY INITIAL THOUGHT.
OTHERWISE MY WIFE WILL KILL ME BY THEN.
WE'D HAVE TO THAT AS A CONDITION.
YOU WON'T BE ASKING FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION REGARDLESS.
WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS ACTUALLY YOUR BUILDING? I'M SORRY, WHAT? BESIDES JUST WHAT IS MY ACTUALLY WHAT BUILDING IT? JUST THE RETAINING WALL.
SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, UM, WHEN WE PURCHASE THE, THE PROPERTY THIS IN, IN GIBSON AVENUE, DO YOU HAVE THE PLAN? I DON'T HAVE, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, BUT HE'S ASKING A QUESTION.
SO THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY IS THE GOLF COURSE OF THE HEIGHT.
AND THERE IS LARGE AMOUNTS OF WATER THEY JUST EMANATE ON THE GROUND, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
AND I SEE THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY JUST COME ENTRENCHED THE, THE STREET AND THEY DIRECT THIS WATER AS IT EMANATES.
SO WE STARTED WITH THIS BECAUSE, UM, WE TRIED TO, TO FIX THIS BY, BY LEVELING AN AREA AND IT JUST GOT WORSE.
SO WE, THAT'S WHERE THE POINT THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE TO THE ENGINEER DEVELOP A STORM WATER, UM, MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO TRY TO CAPTURE THIS WATER, INFILTRATE THEM, AND THEN DO A RETAINING WALL IN MY, IN THE BACK OF MY PATIO, WHICH IS NOT A, IT'S JUST A FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL.
SO THE WHOLE PROJECT CONTAINS JUST THE BUILDING, A RETAINING WALL, STORM WATER, AND THE DRAINAGE.
THERE'S NO NEW, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN FINISH IT UP.
THERE'S NO NEW BUILDING OR ANYTHING.
YOU CAN CONSIDER SOME CONDITIONS.
SO YOU CAN CONSIDER A CONDITION THAT NO FURTHER EXTENSION SHALL BE PERMITTED OR, OR THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT TIMELY AND PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION.
SO THERE'S, HE TELLS HESS NOT GONNA NEED ANOTHER THOSE.
SO LOOK, I I MOVE, WE GRANT THE FIRST, WE HAVE TO DO TWO VOTES TO YOUR EXTENSION NON PROTON TO JULY OF 2024.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE SECOND? WAIT, DO WE HAVE A DATE IN JULY? JULY 1ST, RIGHT? OR WHAT DO WE DO? UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS? YES, I DO.
I THOUGHT I HAD IT PRINTED, BUT I'M SORRY.
SECOND IS JOHANN ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
GRANT ANOTHER ONE YEAR EXTENSION TO JULY 19TH, 2025.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU IN A GOOD TIME.
UM, WE HAVE ONE MORE CASE, UH, RIGHT TONIGHT.
BOY, THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
I HAD HAIR WHEN THIS CASE STARTED.
I THINK YOU DIDN'T, BUT I DID.
IT'S PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING, SLOPE PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME WE HEARD.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST FORMAL WORK SESSION ON THE PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT DID COME IN FOR A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE WITH ITS NEIGHBOR WHO
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WAS ALSO PROPOSING A SUBDIVISION BACK IN LATE 2015.AND THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A LITTLE SLOWER TO GET GOING.
THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN PERSONNEL WITH, UH, BOTH THE OFFICE AND WITH TOWN STAFF.
SO THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO NAVIGATE VARIOUS, UH, ITEMS AND, AND, UM, COMMENTS BROUGHT UP BY VARIOUS TOWN STAFF.
THEY'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS, UH, TIMELY TO BRING THEM FORWARD FOR A FORMAL WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND UNDERSTAND ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ET CETERA, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE THAT WITH THE FINAL COMMENTS THEY HAVE FROM STAFF.
DO ONE FINAL ROUND IF NEEDED OF REVISIONS, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, I, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A, UM, A SITE VISIT, MAYBE A NOTICE SITE VISIT.
THAT'S, AND I THINK, I THINK FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE SLOPE.
GOT A STOMP STOMP UP AND DOWN THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE FIRST TIME CAME, I THINK I, YEAH, WE WERE OUT AT THE SITE.
I REMEMBER FREIGHT BEING OUT THERE.
REMEMBER THE FLAG LOT? THE FLAG LOTT? THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE WE DID OVER THERE.
YEAH, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE.
SO YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, RIGHT? YES.
I'M HAPPY TO, UH, COORDINATE SMALL GROUP SITES.
WHY DON'T WE LET THIS GENTLEMAN WHO IS COME HERE IN A NICE TIE AND EVERYTHING YEAH.
DO HIS PRESENTATION AND, AND BRING US UP TO DATE AS TO WHAT HE IS PROPOSING.
AND THEN WE CAN TRY TO SCHEDULE A, A SITE ONE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT IN THE ZOOM.
WILL YOU BE ABLE TO YEAH, SO YOU CAN, UH, CONNECT AND THEN, UH, SHARE SCREEN.
AND I'LL JUST QUICKLY, WHILE YEAH, WHILE, UM, MR. HERNANDEZ IS CONNECTING, UH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH.
SO AGAIN, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT ENTRY REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING THREE BUILDABLE LOTS WITH THREE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
PROPOSED LOT ONE WOULD TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 25,874 SQUARE FEET LOT TWO 31,978 SQUARE FEET AND LOT THREE 20,077 SQUARE FEET ALL WITHIN AN R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM VIA CASTLE WALK THROUGH A CUL-DE-SAC EXTENSION, SUITABLY IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 12,226 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO STEEP SLOPES.
13,473 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO VERY STEEP SLOPES AS DEFINED UNDER THE CODE.
AND 21,790 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
UM, APPROXIMATELY 100 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION, NO IMPORTED FILL.
84 REGULATED TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED ALONG WITH 102 NEW TREES PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER TWO 60.
SHOULD YOU SAY ONLY 184 TO BE REMOVED? NO, NO.
IN TERMS OF EXCAVATION IS NOT ALLOWING ME TO, PER THE APPLICANT IS NOT ALLOWING ME TO GO IN.
UM, SO I CAN SHARE THE, UH, PLANS YEAH, IF YOU WANT.
SEEMS LIKE, SO I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, UH, PER MY SUMMARY, WE GO 100 AND CUBIC YARD.
YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
IS THAT ACCURATE REMOVAL FROM THE SITE? I THINK REMOVAL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE MOVING AROUND.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS AN A LOT MORE EXCAVATION THAT OH YEAH, NO, NO, NO.
THAT, THAT NUMBER'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING.
BUT I'M IS, WE'RE CONCERNED WE'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE DISTURBANCE THAN WHAT YOU'RE CARRYING OFF THE SITE TO BE QUITE HONEST.
BLASTING OF THE, OKAY, SO LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN HERE.
SO AS IT SEEMS LIKE THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR, SOME OF THE BOARDS BEEN FAMILIAR FOR BEING THERE THE LAST TIME AROUND.
THIS IS A, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WASN'T HERE.
SO THIS IS A 2.263 OF US WERE NO HAIR OF HAIR.
JUST SPEAK, SPEAK UP BEST YOU CAN.
THIS IS A 2.26, UH, PROPERTY SITUATED OUT THE SAUDIS OF, UH, CASTLE WALK, UM, BY FOUR HILL ROAD.
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THE EXISTING PROPERTY, UM, LIKE AARON SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE'RE CONTEMPLATING DIFFERENT IDEAS.THERE WAS, UH, A CONNECTION TO THE SUBDIVISION, UH, AT THE BEGINNING.
I THINK S ONE PROBABLY EACH OF THE YEAH, SO THE, THE, JUST UP IN THIS CORNER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR.
THIS WAS THE APPROVED LOT THAT WOULD FRONT THIS ROADWAY EXTENSION AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO YEAH, CONTINUE THAT ROADWAY.
SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, CASTLE WALK WHERE THE ELBOW IS.
IF YOU COME IN OFF FORT HILL ROAD UP IS UP FORT HILL ROAD.
THIS IS THE EXISTING STONE HOUSE AT THE CORNER.
THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW HOME THAT WAS SUBDIVIDED OFF OF THIS LOT BY THE GENTLEMAN NEVER BUILT RON JOHN.
RON JOHN SUBDIVISION DID NOT GET BUILT.
AND THEN, UM, WE SEE WHERE THIS, THIS LAND EXISTS BEYOND THAT POINT COMING DOWN HERE.
IT'S A PRIVATE, IS IT PRIVATE? TRUE.
I MEAN THIS IS, UH, IT IS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.
THROUGH THE YEARS WE HAVE, UM, WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND WITH THE, UH, TOWN WE HAVE HAD MANY DIFFERENT ENUMERATIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, WE HAD, UM, AT ONE POINT WE HAD, WE TRIED TO CALLES THE FLAG LOT THAT DID NOT WORK.
UH, WE HAD AN ISLAND ON THE, UM, CUL-DE-SAC AND THAT WAS REMOVED IN COORDINATION WITH THE, UH, FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, ALSO AT ONE POINT WE HAD, UM, THE STONE WALL IN EACH LOT.
THEN WE HAD IT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD THAT DID NOT WORK BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO CENTRAL AVENUE AND THE ROAD AND THE STONE WALL GOING ALONG THE PROPERTY.
SO NOW WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE, UM, AN EASEMENT AND ONE OF THE LOTS AND IT'S GONNA HAVE ALL THE, UH, STONE WATER FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND THE SO EVERYTHING GOES TO THAT CHAMBER.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? ALONG THE STONEWALL? THIS IS ANOTHER BEFORE IT WAS UNDER THE ROAD.
SO NOW IT'S GONNA BE UNDER I UNDERSTAND, BUT ISN'T THAT REALLY CONTIGUOUS WITH THE MIDWAY PARK, THE, THE RETAINING WALL, THE MIDWAY THERE HAD BEEN, THERE IS A, THERE IS NOT.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO, UM, I BELIEVE WHEN THE PRIOR SUBDIVISION, SO THEY WERE ABOUT, AROUND THE SAME TIME, I THINK THERE WAS A SHARED OR A SHARED DRIVEWAY OR SOME KIND OF A DISCUSSION OF AN EASEMENT FOR THE PRIVATE ROAD.
SO WHAT IS THE PLAN? THERE WAS, UM, UM, AS WE STAND NOW, THE, UM, WE HAVE DESIGNED THE ROAD TO BE DEDICATED TO OH, OKAY.
SO THEY'VE TAKEN THE, SO THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FROM ENGINEERING AND DPW ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE ROADWAY, UM, BE EXTENDED, BE ACCEPTED IF THERE WAS A DEDICATION IN THE FUTURE.
SO THEY TOOK THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FROM UNDERNEATH THE CUL-DE-SAC, PUT IT INTO AN EASEMENT ON PRIVATE LANDS.
UM, WHAT ABOUT ROAD WIDTH? IS THAT TOWN STANDARD? YES.
EVERYTHING'S TO TOWN STANDARD END GRADE? YEP.
FLAT AND IT'S DEDICATED TO THE LANDLORD.
THERE'S, THERE'LL BE AN OFFER, WELL, HASN'T BEEN BUILT, SO IT'S, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN OFFER OF DEDICATION.
WHAT ABOUT THE, THE CURRENT PART, THE CASTLE WALK CURRENTLY IS THAT TOWN OR PRIVATE? PRIVATE PART? BIG PRIVATE CASTLE WALK IS A TOWN ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE EXTENSION OFF OF IT IS.
IF HE HAD BUILT OUT AND CONSTRUCTED THAT NEW LOT WOULD'VE BEEN PRIVATE.
BUT THESE FOLKS WERE PROPOSING TO TURN EVERYTHING INTO PUBLIC GOING BEYOND THERE.
SO DOES THAT CUT THROUGH THE RON JOHN SUBDIVISION? THAT'S IT.
IT, UM, THERE WAS A THIRD LOT IN CONNECTION WITH THE RON JOHN SUBDIVISION.
THAT WAS FOR THE PRIVATE ROADWAY.
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT, WHICH WAS THE ROADWAY SPUR.
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THAT THAT HAS REMAINED PRIVATE? WELL, WE WERE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT WAS TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
AND BECAUSE THEY, IF THEY TIE INTO, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT'S SUBSTANDARD OR PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHANCES ARE THAT THE TOWN WOULD ACCEPT AN OFFER OF DEDICATION.
WHERE THERE'S A STRETCH OF PRI YOU KNOW, PUBLIC THEN A STRETCH OF PRIVATE.
THEN YOU HAVE THE IN FRONT OF RON JOHN AS PRIVATE AND THEN WE WANT TO, IT'S PUBLIC AGAIN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
THE GOAL WAS TO GET THEM TO COORDINATE SO THAT IT WOULD BE FULLY, REMIND ME, WHAT'S RON? JOHN? JOHN, IS THAT AN ABBREVIATION? WHAT IS IT? IT WAS THE NAME, PERSON NAME THAT WAS THIS SUBDIVISION.
YOU SEE MY CURSOR MICHAEL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE
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AND HE PROPOSED AN ADDITIONAL ONE SPLIT.AND THIS, THIS HOUSE ISN'T CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT'S APPROVED.
IS THE, WAS THE ROAD CONSTRUCTED? NO.
AND THE, I SU I BELIEVE THE LAST CONVERSATION I HAD WITH MR. RON JOHN WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WERE COSTLY.
AND HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE SELLING THE ROAD.
NOW IS THAT ROAD, IT'S A, WITH ROGER ROAD, I KNOW IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN? YOU HAVE A PUBLIC ROAD, YOU HAVE A, THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD AND THEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC ROAD.
NO, THEY'D HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.
BUT I TOLD THAT THAT PART OF THE ROAD IT IS, IT HAS THE WIDTH TO BE, HAS THE WIDTH, BUT YOU NEED TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT TO MAKE IT TO, TO DEDICATE IT TO THE TOWN.
SO YOU CAN MAKE AN OFFER OF DEDICATION.
PLENTY OF PEOPLE DO AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE OFFERS SIT AND, AND NEVER GET ACCEPTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING IT TO TOWN STANDARD, YOU KNOW, YOU AVOID CERTAIN VARIANCES YOU MIGHT POTENTIALLY NEED FOR HAVING A SUBSTANDARD, UM, ACCESS.
BUT YOU CAN OFFER IT FOR DEDICATION.
DOESN'T MEAN THE TOWN HAS TO ACCEPT IT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TELLING IS YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THE, THE OWNER THAT THE RAJAN PROPERTY TO GET THEM TO DEDICATE THEIR, THEIR ROAD AS WELL AS YOURS TO MAKE IT EASIER.
SO I WON'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT IS, SO THAT IS NOW A PRIVATE PROPERTY? YES.
SO THAT, THAT WEDGE, THAT LITTLE PIECE THAT WEDGE IN FRONT OF HIS LOT, WHICH CONTAINS THE DRIVEWAY TO BE A ROAD IS A SEPARATE PRIVATELY OWNED PARCEL.
IF THE APPLICANT MAKES THEIR ROAD, UH, TO STANDARD MM-HMM,
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DEDICATED, THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO AVOID CERTAIN VARIANCES? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO EVEN, YEAH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, WHETHER OR NOT JUST TO MAKE IT THE PUBLIC STANDARD REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AGREES.
AND THAT'S A JUDGMENT CLAUSE ON THE APPLICATION.
AND THEY'RE DEMONSTRATING THAT THEIR THREE LOTS WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO A ROAD SUIT.
SUITABLY IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARD.
RON JOHN, THE OTHER ONE, HE CAN'T BUILD THAT NEW HOME UNTIL HE BUILDS OUT THE ROAD SO THAT IT IS STANDARD.
SO HE, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TWO TO WORK TOGETHER.
CAN IT MAKE THE DEDICATION TO THE TOWN BEFORE HE BUILDS OUT THE ROAD? NO.
FIRST LET'S LET THE, LET THE GENTLEMAN CONTINUE.
LET THE GENTLEMAN CONTINUE, PLEASE.
WE PROPOSED IN THREE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 3,500 SQUARE FEET HOMES.
UM, THERE IS THE CUL-DE-SAC WE DID AS YOU SEE THERE IN THE DRAWING.
UH, THAT IS THE FIRE APPARATUS, UH, MANEUVERING.
UH, SO WE DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT WILL WORK.
UM, WE ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO UH, TREES, WE DID PROVIDE TREES ALONG, UM, THE ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
WE DID AT ONE POINT COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS GONNA BE, UM, UM, LIGHTING FROM TRAFFIC.
SO WE DID PROVIDE, UH, SUFFICIENT, UH, BUFFER THERE AND THERE IS A FENCE AS WELL, AND HIS PROPERTY AND LANDSCAPING AT HIS PROPERTY.
BUT WE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PROPERTY TO BUFFER TO CREATE A BUFFER, UH, ALONG THE AREA.
I'M GONNA PAN TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT.
SO THIS EXISTING RESIDENCE DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT COMES OUT TO THIS PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
IT ACTUALLY IS A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY THAT GOES OUT TO THE OTHER EXISTING CUL-DE-SAC OF CASTLE WALK.
SO, UM, WITH THE RON JOHN SUBDIVISION, THIS GENTLEMAN CAME OUT, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, UH, SCREENING AND LIGHTS AND PRIVACY.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS VEGETATION'S PROPOSED HERE.
IT'LL BE NICE ENTRANCE TO THAT AREA.
THE ONLY THING WE IDENTIFIED AND WE'RE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IS THAT THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS PREPARED PRIOR TO THE STORMWATER UNITS BEING RELOCATED INTO THIS AREA.
AND YOU DON'T WANNA PLANT TREES OVER THOSE.
SO THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME.
SO WE ARE REMOVING 84 TREES AND WE ARE PLANTING 104.
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HAVE TO RELOCATE THOSE THREE TO WHAT'S BEHIND.WHAT IS THIS SOUTH DOWN, DOWN MIDWAY.
THERE'S SORT OF AN OLD PATH THAT RUNS DIAGONALLY DOWN THAT SLOPE AND, AND TIES INTO THE BACKSIDE PARKING OF THE PARKING LOT BEHIND OR ADJACENT TO.
BETWEEN MIDWAY AND BYE-BYE BABY.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, A SLOPE COMING DOWN THERE AND YOU'RE PUTTING THE, ALL THE STORM WATER AT THE TOP OF THAT HILL.
THE, SO WE'LL GO TO THE SLOPE PLAN TO SHOW YOU HOW THE PROPERTY SLOPES.
YEAH, THAT'S A SCARY, SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SAYING
GOT AND THEN FEATURE BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE
AND, UH, I THINK FOR, TO BETTER UNDER TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT WE ARE DOING.
UM, WE'LL PROBABLY TOPO, NOT TOPOGRAPHICALLY, BUT WITH THE STEEP SLOPES AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE EXTENSION TO THE BOTTOM, SO THERE IS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ADJACENT TO THE STONEWATER.
AND THIS OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO THE BOARD GIVES A BETTER UNDER UNDERSTANDING.
I, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL BECAUSE THE DRAWING I SAW IT LOOKED AS IF IT'S JUST A VERTICAL WALL.
OFTEN WE SEE THEY'RE STEPPED A LITTLE BIT WITH FABRIC, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN LAYERS AND THIS, IT DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE THE REINFORCEMENT THERE, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE PUTTING ALL THE, THE, UM, INFILTRATION UNITS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT TONIGHT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
WE WILL HAVE THE ENGINEER THAT WAS ON ONE OF THE DETAIL SHEETS.
IT WAS THE SITE PLAN SHEET, I BELIEVE.
I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN, UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING AND, UH, OUR CONSULTANT TO ADD TO THE LOCATION OF THE WALL IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UM, HAVE THE REINFORCEMENT OF THAT SO WE CAN HAVE THE FURTHER DETAIL THAN THAT.
I MEAN, IF THAT, I JUST NEED TO EXPLAINED TO ME, BECAUSE LOOKING AT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WOULD LAST VERY LONG.
UM, BUT I'M NOT AN ENGINEER MAYBE.
IS THAT A PORT CONCRETE WALL? THAT'S A POOR CONCRETE WALL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME IS YOU OUTDOOR CAPTURING ALL THE WATER RIGHT BEHIND THAT WALL.
THAT'S WHAT, AND THERE'S A CONCRETE CHANNEL.
WAS IT LIKE A CHANNEL OR WAS THAT REMOVED BY, JUST WANTED TO EXPLAINED SUGGESTION OF THE ENGINEER.
YEAH, I, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING, CAPTURING ALL THAT WATER BACK THERE.
IT LECHES OUT AND WEAKENING, WEAKENING THE WALL.
IT'S AWFULLY CLOSE TO A WALL FOR THAT MUCH DRAINAGE.
IT, IT'S FOR THREE HOUSES ON THE ROAD.
SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THE ENGINEER FROM MR.
ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR WALL AND THE WEIGHT LOAD AND THE WATER, UH, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IN PROXIMITY AS WELL AS THE ROAD BED.
WERE THE BORINGS DONE? THERE WERE THE BORINGS DONE TO SEE, SEE IF YOU COULD, COULD, COULD HOLD A CALTECH SYSTEM LIKE THAT.
THERE I SOME TESTING WAS DONE.
WE HAVE DRAWINGS WHERE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE SET, BUT UH, THERE WAS TESTING DONE DRAWINGS.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE SITUATION IS, HOW MUCH SOIL THEY HAVE UNDERNEATH THERE TOO.
BECAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE A LOT OF ROCK UP IN THERE, I WOULD THINK.
AND HOW TALL THE WALL, HOW, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? UH, UM, I THINK WE HAVE AN THINK IT AND THE GRADIENT PLAN, IT SAYS ELEVATION.
DO YOU HAVE ELEVATION THE HIGHEST? AND I THINK IT HIGH AND LOW.
SO IF WE GO, YOU HAVE THE GRADIENT.
I THINK IT'S SEVEN I WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT SO I CAN ANSWER THAT.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE WALL BELOW THE ROAD IS ABOUT FIVE FEET.
THERE'S FIVE FEET DISTANCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE DISTANCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
OH, IT'S FIVE SET, FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IS IT ABOUT, IT LOOKS LIKE, CAN TELL FROM THE, IF THAT'S, IT'S AT LEAST 10 FEET.
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THAT'S FIVE THEN.BUT DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY IS THAT, I THINK THAT IS IN THE, ON THE LOOK AT OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVERTISEMENT
YEAH, IT COULD DO A LOT OF WORK.
I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED.
IF YOU BRING YOUR ENGINEER THE NEXT TIME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO TO HELP US UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO, WHY DON'T YOU FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.
SO AT THIS POINT, THAT'S EIGHT.
BUT I THINK IF YOU MOVE CLOSER TO AT THE START, CLOSER, CLOSER TO THE OTHER, TOWARDS THE, YEAH, WE WILL MOVE OUR WAY DOWN.
SO EIGHT FEET HERE WHERE IT STARTS IN FRONT OF, UH, PARCEL C.
SO PARCEL C OR LOT THREE, TWO, AND THEN ONE'S TO THE LEFT.
I DON'T SEE ANOTHER DIMENSION ON IT.
SO IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW IF THAT'S CONSISTENT OR DOES IT RISE THE FURTHER, I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, SOUTH EIGHT FEET THERE.
LUCKILY RISE, IT HAS TWO RISE THERE BECAUSE THE SLOPES EIGHT FEET.
EIGHT FEET, EIGHT FEET, EIGHT FEET TO, SO WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CENTER POINT MIDPOINT AND THEN AT THE SOUTHERLY END, LUCKILY NOBODY, NOBODY WILL LOOKING AT ONLY GOOD NEWS.
BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE MIDWAY.
I ASSUME IT NEEDS A FENCE ALSO.
SO THERE'LL BE A GUIDE RAIL AND PORTIONS, BUT THEN WHEN IT GOES BEYOND THE CUL-DE-SAC, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD PROBABLY BE A FENCE ACROSS THE WHOLE WAY.
YOU SAID BOTH IT, IT'S TOO HIGH WITHOUT A FENCE TO HAVE TO, WITHOUT A FENCE.
IT HAS TO BE A SOLID, SOME KIND OF SOLID FENCE THAT A KID CAN'T WALK THROUGH IT.
CODE WISE YOU HAVE TO DEFINITELY.
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US TONIGHT? UM, WELL WE SPOKE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING, UH, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSES DEGRADING.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE WE GIVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO THE BOARD ABOUT THE STORM WATER AND THE LOCATION OF THE, THE, AND THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, AND I THINK IT'D BE PROBABLY GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER SITE VISIT.
SO WE ALL, I THINK WE NEED A SITE VISIT AND A SECOND WORK SESSION.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS AND THE ROADWAY DRAINAGE? IF THE ROADWAY DRAINAGE IS GOING INTO THE PROPOSED STORMWATER UNITS OR ITS OWN SEPARATE SYSTEM? UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A DRAIN DRAINAGE LINE THAT GOES DOWN THE CENTRAL.
I KNOW THERE WAS, YEAH, THERE'S AN EASEMENT STORMWATER DRAIN THAT GOES DOWN.
BUT DON'T YOU NEED TO KEEP IT ALL ON THE PROCESS? THERE'S AN 18 NO, THERE'S AN EASEMENT.
THAT IS A CONNECTION WHERE WE'RE CONNECTED TO IT.
YOU CAN METER IT RIGHT NOW TO MIMIC EXISTING.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE METERING IT OUT.
'CAUSE I SEE A, I SEE WHAT I SEE, AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I CAN CHECK IN WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, IS THAT THE OVERFLOW FROM THIS SYSTEM? IT'S METERED OUT, UM, BACK TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE'S A MANHOLE AND THEN IT TIES INTO THIS, THERE'S A MANHOLE THAT WOULD TIE INTO THE 18 INCH PIPE THAT GOES DOWN THE CENTRAL.
AND THAT, THAT PIPE, I ASSUME SLOPES DOWNWARDS TOWARDS THAT PIPE GOING DOWN THE HILL.
THAT PIPE, RIGHT? IT'S GRAVITY.
THE OTHER THING, DO WE KNOW, IS AN 18 FOOT PIPE SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE ALL THE WATER? WATER? I THINK THE YES.
THE CALCULATIONS, THEY'VE RUN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CALCULATIONS.
AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE, WE, THERE HAS BEEN NUMEROUS BACK AND FORTH.
IS THAT, IS THAT PIPE ALSO SERVICING ALL THE OTHER HOUSES IN CASTLE WALLS? UH, IT IS RUNNING THROUGH AN EASEMENT.
THOSE HOUSES, I MEAN, THESE HOUSES ARE TINY COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES UP THERE.
THERE ARE HOUSES UP THERE THAT ARE RIGHT.
I MEAN THIS, THIS PIPE RUNS ALL THE WAY UP AND THEN THROUGH AN EASEMENT AND YEAH, WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK AND GET MAYBE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER THAT I DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA RUN INTO.
ALSO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE ANOTHER WHERE WE DID A COLONY? EXACTLY.
WHERE ALL THE WATER UP THE TOP.
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THE BITE.AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PIPE, WE ALSO SHOULD FIND OUT WHERE THE PIPE ENDS AND WHERE IT GOES DOWN, DOWN BELOW TOO.
BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THINGS END UP BUBBLING UP ON CENTRAL AVENUE AS WE KNOW.
SO WE, WE NEED TO, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE VERY CAREFULLY.
YOU KNOW, MAY TALK TO THE LIEUTENANT ENGINEER BEFORE WE MEET WITH THEM AGAIN.
WE'LL, WILL DO ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I HAVE A, A MINOR QUESTION.
IT SAYS THAT THE, UM, HOMES ARE GONNA BE, OR EV ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING IS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENCE.
DOES THAT MEAN IT WOULD BE PRE-WIRED IF THEY WANT IT? YES.
WHICH THEY'RE GONNA BE PRE-WIRED FOR.
FOR A EV YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT.
COULD THE SAME BE FITTED FOR, UH, UM, SOLAR, SOLAR PANEL BECAUSE IN BUILDING A HOUSE, I MEAN, TO RUN JUST A CONDUIT FROM YOUR ATTIC TO THE BOX IS, IT'S A SIMPLE COURSE.
AND SO IF SOMEONE WANT TO PUT, UH, A SOLAR PADDLE IN THE FUTURE TO JUST, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT BREAKING ANY WALLS OUT.
THEY'RE JUST SNEAKING IT THROUGH.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT DONE ALSO FOR BOTH THE EV AND SOLAR.
DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET THE SET WALK IN BEFORE, UH, A MEETING ON THE 15TH? SO I THINK THERE'S SOME COORDINATION THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS TO TAKE PLACE.
WE WANT THEM TO RESPOND AND THEN YOU TAKE OUT, LET'S HOLD OFF.
WE WANT SOME THINGS STAKED OUT, SO WE'LL WANT THE LOT BOUNDARIES.
AND THEN USUALLY WE SAY THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE PROPOSED HOME IN LIKE THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO BOTH SIDES, BUT THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY IN AND THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE LOTS THEMSELVES.
AND THEN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE HOMES AND WITH MARKINGS ON THE STAKES, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WHEN YOU'RE DISTURBING THOSE SLOPES, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN FILL NO, NO.
YOU JUST GET, YOU HAVE ENOUGH ENOUGH FROM JUST TAKING THE FOUNDATION? YES.
WE ACTUALLY, THE ONE LOT THAT WE BUILDING THE RETAINING, WELL WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IS COMMITTING TO THE HILL TO PUT THE OKAY.
AND THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE, THERE WAS AN HOUR.
ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? CORRECT? UH, AARON, IF YOU CAN PUT THAT, UH, UH, STEEP SLOPE.
UH, SO LOOKING AT THIS, THE, UH, ONE 1% STOPS LIKE THAT.
THE SECOND HOUSE, UH, THE, UH, IS LIKE YOU'RE DOING A, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, DIGGING AND, UH, DIGGING OUT THE STONE BECAUSE THAT'S A, THE, THE, UH, THE EXCESSIVE STEEP SLOPE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THAT'S 30, THAT'S 35 PLUS, THAT'S 35 GREATER.
SO, SO WE HAD SPOKEN WITH THEM ABOUT YEAH.
TRYING TO GET MOST OF THE HOUSE OUT OF PULLING THE HOUSE FORWARD.
YOU TALKED ABOUT YEAH, WE DID.
AND I THINK, I MEAN, IT WAS ORIGINALLY FURTHER INTO THE SLOPE AND THEY'VE SHIFTED IT BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS.
UM, BUT I, THERE IS, THERE IS A PROVISION IN, AND, AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE CODE.
I'VE SEEN IT CARRIED OUT ONCE.
IT WAS, UM, THE AR RUE PROJECT ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
MICHAEL MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD.
WHERE IF THE BOARD CAN ISSUE A WAIVER TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, AND I'LL GET THE PROVISION TO THE BOARD, IT'S 50% UP TO 50%.
IF IT WOULD RESULT IN A, IN A FAIR AMOUNT OF 50% OF LESS DISTURBANCE, LESSENING OF DISTURBANCE TO REGULATED STEEP SLOPES.
ALSO, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE, THE, THE, THE PLOT LINE SHIFTED TOWARD AND, AND MOVE THE, MOVE THE FIRST HOUSE CLOSER TO THE BEGINNING OF IT, AND THEN ACCOMMODATING BOTH THE HOUSES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD SIZE.
AND TRY TO TRY TO WORK OUT THE BASE.
SO THAT HAVE THE LIST OF, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE NOTE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF MANEUVERING ABOUT THE LOCATION THAT THEY HAVE PART, THE OTHER PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS THEY HAVE A LOT OF DEDUCTIONS BECAUSE OF THE STEEP SLOPE.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM, RIGHT.
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THIS IT'S, SO WE'LL SEE IF, UM, THAT PROVISION COULD COME INTO PLAY WITH PULLING UP.THAT'S LIKE A VERY INTERESTING PROVISION THAT MY WORK IN THIS CASE.
AND THE, IN THE SAME LINE, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN MOVE THE LAST LOT, UH, CLOSER TO THE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO BUILD THAT LONG DRIVEWAY.
SO IF YOU CAN MOVE THE THING, YOU BE PAYING THE OTHER SIDE.
OH, YOU MEAN THIS DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU, YEAH, IT'S LIKE ALL THE BACK.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY MOVE THE THING AND THAT WOULD REDUCE, PUT A CURVE TO IT.
NO, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY DID IT TO AVOID, AVOID THE STEEP SLOPE ALSO.
THAT'S WHERE ALL THE STORM WATER INFILTRATION, THAT WAS THE STARBOARD HIGH WATER'S GONNA BE IN THE DOWN HERE.
BUT THAT, THAT COULD BE SHIFTED AT THE OTHER END BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S IN THAT LOTS ANYWAY, SO IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
AND ONE MORE SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE HAD ONE SUBDIVISION CAME THAT HAS LIKE A WIDE SHAPE MM-HMM.
AND CAN THEY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE? I DON'T THINK TYPICALLY DO THAT FOR TWO LOTS, BUT GENERALLY NOT THREE.
AND UH, I'M NOT SURE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD DEPARTMENT BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IN THAT LOCATION.
IF THIS, THE FIRST ONE COULD HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE, NOT IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, BUT OUTSIDE, I MEAN, IF THEY LOOK AT IT, THEN YOU SAVE SO MUCH OF THE, THE PROBLEM IS, WELL, WHAT YOU COULD, WHAT YOU COULD DO PER ONE THING WE COULD DO CORRECT.
TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YOU COULD PUT THE MIDDLE, YOU COULD PUT THE MIDDLE OF THE CUL-DE-SACS PREVIOUS PAPERS.
THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT I'M SOMETHING, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE.
AND SO THERE'S UH, BEEN A SHIFT IN, UM, PERSONNEL AS I'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH TOWN STAFF.
I'M, I'M LOOKING UP THIS PROVISION.
SO, UM, CER UH, PERSONNEL ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING, UH, PAVERS OR CERTAIN TYPE OR GRASS CREEK IN THE CENTER OF A CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, YES, IT IS BETTER FOR STORM WATER AND FOR FOR GREEN GROWTH.
BUT, UM, THERE'S CONCERNS WITH PUBLIC ROADS ABOUT, UH, FIRE TRUCKS MANEUVERING ABOUT GARBAGE COLLECTION AND OTHER FEATURES, AND PARTICULARLY WITH PAVERS.
UM, IF THE ROAD WAS TO BE DEDICATED, THE CONCERN IS THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE BY THE TOWN OF PAVERS THAT GET KICKED UP WITH THE PLOWS OR DAMAGED BY GARBAGE TRUCKS, DELIVERY TRUCKS, ET ET CETERA.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, ONE EXAMPLE OF A SUBDIVISION THAT ALREADY MOVED THROUGH THE PROCESS IS THE ARDSLEY ROAD SUBDIVISION.
THE ISLAND IN THE CENTER IS GONNA REMAIN, BUT RATHER THAN PAVERS, THEY'RE GONNA DO A PERVIOUS ASPHALT, WHICH WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES.
SO THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PERVIOUS ASPHALT OR, OR, OR JUST A, UH, GRASS CREEK OR SOMETHING.
SO, NO, BUT THE TRUNK, THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING.
DVW DOES NOT WANT THE GRASS CREEK.
THEY SAYS GRASS CREEK WAS WORSE THAN PAVERS AND P WORSE THAN P IS BETTER THAN BOTH.
IT'S THE WEIGHT OF THE TRUCKS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHICH IS DIFFERENT IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CARS.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE ARE WEIGHT LOADS THAT, FOR PAVERS THAT CAN'T HANDLE THEM EASY.
IT'S MORE ABOUT THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE.
IT, IT, IT JUST ONE REALLY EASY YOU'RE WELCOME.
IN THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THERE ARE NOW, IT ALSO HAD TO DO WITH THE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING DRIVEWAYS THAT WILL HAVE LIGHTS COMING IN AND OUT, UM, SHINING INTO THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES.
AARON WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT, ABOUT THE SITE WALK AND THEN AFTER WE KNOW WHAT THAT SCHEDULE IS, WE'LL KNOW WHEN THE NEXT WORK SESSION WILL BE.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
UH, TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS SOME LEGAL MATTERS.
UM, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
LET ME TELL, UM, WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE'LL BE THERE PRETTY MUCH TILL THE END OF THE MEETING.
THE ONLY THING WE WILL DO IS WE HAVE TO COME OUT AFTERWARDS INTO WORK SESSION JUST TO ANNOUNCE WHETHER THERE WAS A VOTE OR NOT.
SO I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
SO THERE'S NO REAL REASON TO HANG AROUND ON, ON THE TELEVISION TONIGHT.
THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING EXCITING EXCEPT FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT, ANNOUNCEMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED AND, AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COME INTO THAT MEETING.
UM, THE ALTERNATE ALLOWED TO COME INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
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THANK YOU.UH, WE'RE BACK IN WORK SESSION.
UM, WE WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS SOME LEGAL MATTERS.
AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR WORK SESSION.