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IN PROGRESS.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, May 15, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
AND GENTLEMEN.WELCOME TO THE MAY 15TH, UH, GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
MR. SNAGS HERE OR ALTERNATE? MS. SPARKS CARE.
WHO SINCE WE HAVE FULL ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
YOU'LL BE PARTICIPATING, BUT NOT VOTING.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE THOUGH, REMEMBER.
THERE IS, THERE WERE ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE, UM, AND I'LL GET TO THE SECOND ONE.
THE MAJORITY OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WAS COMING FROM, UM, ON THE, UH, HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY, I, I GUESS MATT.
MATT WAS THE ONE WHO DID THAT.
I'LL DO THE MINUTES IN A SECOND.
HE DID, HE COMPILED IT AND MATT COMPILED THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT THE TIME AND WE'LL GET TO THE OTHER ONE IN A MOMENT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES? YOU HAD ONE.
I THINK THERE WAS ONE TINY TYPO.
IS THAT TYPO CORRECTED? IT IS.
SO THEN CAN I HAVE A, A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN? SO MOVED.
WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR? UH, AYE.
SO ONE OTHER PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE.
DO WE HAVE, UH, MR. SHERETTA ON, UH, ZOOM TONIGHT? WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.
IS THIS FOR
SO I HAVE TO STEP OUT BECAUSE I'M CONFLICTED OUT.
I WORKED, UH, PREVIOUSLY ON SHE BORN WITH MY PRIOR FIRM.
SHOULD BE BRIEF STEP OUT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK IN A FEW MINUTES.
IT'S, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 15 DASH SIX.
PROBABLY BEST I KNOW AS CHAIR PER SCHWARTZ INDICATED THE SHELL BORN ASSISTED LIVING PROJECT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING AN EXTENSION, A THIRD EXTENSION OF THEIR SITE PLAN, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT APPROVALS.
WHAT ARE THE REASON WHY I ASK COUNSEL TO BE HERE TONIGHT IS THIS, THIS HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF LITIGATION THAT, THAT IT WENT THROUGH, THAT IT WAS CLEANED UP.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS THE CURRENT STATUS, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT'S THE OWNERSHIP SITUATION OF, UH, THE LAND.
I KNOW THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO PARCELS, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PARCEL THAT WAS OWNED BY THE NURSERY AND THERE WAS A SECOND PARCEL THAT WAS OWNED BY THE STATE FOR PART OF SPRINGBROOK TO SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY, I BELIEVE.
RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? UH, AARON? YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S GOOD RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT? THE RIGHT THE LITTLE ACROSS THE, THE, THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF, UH, PURCHASING THAT IS AND, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WELL, IN THE, HOW LONG WE THINK THE PROJECT MIGHT TAKE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
WE, UH, THIS IS MARK MAYBERRY WITH FORMATION HOR.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADDRESS? YES, PLEASE, PLEASE, MR. MAYBERRY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A WHILE.
MUCH OF IT'S SPENT IN THE INITIAL ZONING PROCESS AND THEN PROTRACTED LITIGATION.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THE LITIGATION WAS, UH, RESOLVED IN OUR FAVOR.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN MOVING FORWARD FROM THAT POINT.
UH, NOW WE'RE FACING, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY A CHALLENGING ECONOMIC SITUATION IN TERMS OF INTEREST RATES AND CONSTRUCTION LOANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE ARE STILL VERY CONFIDENT AND VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING THIS WORK.
AND, UH, WE HAVE GOOD, UH, FROM OUR INVESTORS AND FROM LENDERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO, AND SINCE THE LITIGATION IS FINALLY BEHIND US, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT LATELY.
YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE TWO PARCELS AND THAT THAT IS TRUE.
THE, UH, MAJORITY OF THE LAND 3.79 ACRES IS OWNED BY THE CROWDERS, UH, THE NURSERY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUYING FROM THEM.
WE HAVE NOT CLOSED ON THAT LAND, THEY STILL OWN IT.
WE'RE JUST UNDER A PURCHASE CONTRACT SLASH LEASE, UM, TO CONTROL THAT LAND FOR THE PURSUIT OF OUR PROJECT.
AND THEN THERE'S A SMALLER PARCEL OF THAT'S OWNED BY THE DOT AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, TURNED OUT TO BE QUITE, UH, COMPLICATED AND VERY DIFFICULT TO SOLVE.
AND SO WE HAVE DECIDED FORMATION SHELL BARN HAS DECIDED THAT WE'RE GONNA PROCEED WITHOUT THE DOT LAND AND FOCUS ON THE 3.79 ACRES AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH BUY RIGHT IN TERMS OF OUR FAR AND FOOTPRINT AND SURFACE, UH, LIGHT COVERAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE ARE WORKING HARD ON THOSE PLANS NOW, UH, TO REFINE THEM, UH, IN THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH NO CHANGES TO THE FOOTPRINT
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OR THE PARKING OR CIRCULATION, UH, AND NO CHANGES TO MAXIMUM FAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT.AND OUR ARCHITECT'S WORKING ON THOSE.
WE HAD A CALL FRIDAY AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CALL THIS, UH, NEXT WEEK TO RATIFY, UH, WORK FURTHER ON THOSE PLANS.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET THOSE PLANS READY TO SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMIT.
I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THAT YET, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT COULD BE IN THE MATTER OF, UH, OF A FEW MONTHS RATHER THAN A FEW YEARS LIKE IT'S BEEN.
AND, UH, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THE TOWN MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THAT.
WE HAD A MEETING EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, WITH THE TOWN TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE FIRE CODE AND, UM, BUILDING ISSUES AND BUILDING CODE ISSUES AND THAT WAS ALL VERY POSITIVE.
AND WITH THAT OUR ARCHITECT'S BEEN BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY TO GET THE PLANTS AND SHAPE THIS CEMENT SUGGESTED.
THAT'S MY NEXT STEP AND TALK TO.
UH, BEFORE WE GO ON, UM, AND I'LL GET TO YOU GUYS.
THE, THE, THE QUESTION OF THE ADDITIONAL LAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING FIT ON THE SMALLER PIECE OF LAND.
HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THIS WITH TOWN STAFF AND TOWN COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE SINCE IT IS A MODIFICATION TO THE PROOF SITE PLAN? WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR ZONING ATTORNEY, LENO SHERETTA COULDN'T, COULDN'T JOIN TONIGHT.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE 3.79 ACRES IS THE PLAN THAT IS BY RIGHT.
THAT WE COULD GO FORWARD UNDER THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS LOOK AND SEE IF WE COULD COMBINE THE DOT LAND AND CREATE EFFECTIVELY A 4.01 ACRE PARCEL THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN, UH, TO YIELD A LARGER BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE FAR.
UM, BUT WE'VE DECIDED, UH, TO GO WITH THE PLAN THAT 3.79 ACRES, 94 BEDS, AND I DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF ALLOWED FAR.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S THE PLAN THAT WE COULD PRESENT AND GO FORWARD WITH BUILDING PERMIT NOW WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS IF WE WERE TO TRY TO SECURE THE DOT LAND AND, AND ALTER OUR PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ADVISED, THAT THAT WOULD BE A NEW PUBLIC PROCESS.
AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER PUBLIC PROCESS KNOWING HOW THE EDGEMONT COMMUNITY COUNCIL MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO STALL OUR PROJECT AGAIN AND THEY YEAH, I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T CAN WE JUST, CAN YOU SHOW, JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY ABOUT THIS ADDITIONAL PART, DOT PARCEL? YEAH.
WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T KNOW WAS THE, IF YOU CAN SHARE THE, WHAT WAS IT THAT ADDITIONAL DOT PARCEL PART OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I, COMMISSIONER DUCA AND I DISCUSSED THIS RECENTLY 'CAUSE I WAS ASKING ABOUT, I DRIVE BY THAT CORNER ALL THE TIME, AND HE SAID THAT THE PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE THAT LAND, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING INTO TRYING TO ADD IT JUST AS, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE SAID.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE PLAN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT FOR YEARS, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
BUT TO BE SAFE, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH STAFF, PULL OUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED, WHAT, WHAT THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES AND DOESN'T.
'CAUSE I, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN YEARS, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORE, WHICH, WHICH IT WAS.
I REMEMBER DISCUSSING THAT AT THE TIME IT WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR VARIANCE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT FINALLY THE ZONING BOARD APPROVED OR WHAT WE EVEN APPROVED.
SO WHAT I, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU DO IS TALK TO REACH OUT TO AARON SCHMIDT AND, UH, PULL OUT THE PLANS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T THROW MONKEY WRENCH INTO IT DOWN THE ROAD.
WALTER, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? QUESTION.
OH, WELL THAT WILL CLARIFY BECAUSE IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, BEEN SO LONG AGO RIGHT? THAT THAT PIECE OF LAND WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
AND IT WAS NEEDED FOR, TO TURN THE RATIO FIRE TRUCKS.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, GO BACK SO LONG.
I I CAN'T, UH, UH, UH, SAY THAT AS A FACT.
SO I THINK THE APPROACH THAT THE CHAIRMAN HAS TAKEN, THAT WE GO BACK AND PULL OUT THE, THE PLANS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS INDEED, UH, AN EXTRA PARCEL THAT YOU COULD PURCHASE, BUT YOU HAD THE OPTION OF PURCHASING OR NOT.
SO JUST, UH, BUT THAT DIDN'T AFFECT THE PLAN ITSELF.
LET, LET'S, LET'S CLARIFY, LET'S CLARIFY THAT.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD.
I THINK I, I CHIME WITH WELL SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE SINCE IT IS, UH, SUCH A LONG TIME AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT CORONER OKAY THERE, IT'S YEAH.
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OKAY.SO THAT CORONER WAS NEEDED TO GET THE FA A THAT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE, UH, WHAT WAS PROPOSED AT THAT TIME.
IS THAT THAT CORNER? IT'S THIS CORNER, YEAH.
IS THAT IN THE SITE PLAN? THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
IT IS ALSO THERE IS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA REPORT BACK.
WE NEED, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T NEED TO WORK THIS HERE, BUT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ONE REVIEW.
ONE THING I THINK WAS UH, UH, IS, IS WHAT I RECOLLECT IS THAT THERE WAS A, UH, UH, WETLAND, I THINK WAS A WATER, SOMETHING IS AFFECTED AT THE CORNER OR WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN FRONT OF IT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO A WATERCOURSE THAT RUNS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, UM, THAT CURRENTLY FLOODS FROM TIME TO TIME.
SO, SO IS THAT CORNER, IF THEY DO NOT OWN IT, IT'S THE DIFFERENT CORNER.
SO ANYWAY, LET, INSTEAD OF SPECULATING, WHY DON'T WE WAIT? THAT'S RIGHT.
LET IT BE REVIEWED, LOOK INTO IT, AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK.
AND THEY'LL TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THE SITUATION IS.
SO HOW DOES THIS EXTENSION FACTOR INTO THAT? UM, I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T GIVE 'EM THE EXTENSION ANYWAY, BUT I HOW IS THE EXTENSION REQUEST? TWO YEARS? YEAH.
I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE 'EM THE EXTENSION REQUEST.
I KNOW IF WE GRANT THE EXTENSION.
BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE.
THAT PROPERTY IS AN ABSOLUTE MESS.
IT IS A HAZARD TO ANYBODY, CHILDREN AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT GOES THERE.
THERE'S BROKEN GLASS, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
IT'S NOT FENCED OFF, I DON'T BELIEVE.
I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE YOU HAD A LEASE ON IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST IN CONTROL OF, UH, THE OLD OWNERS.
BUT, UH, GRANTING THIS EXTENSION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS SECURED, UM, SOMETIME WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
'CAUSE IT REALLY, REALLY IS, I'M SURPRISED NOBODY'S GOTTEN HURT THERE YET.
BUT, BUT BESIDES THE FIRE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY KIDS HAVE PLANNED BEEN PLAYING THERE.
IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A, A, UH, A NUISANCE IN THE HAZARD.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THEM COORDINATE WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR OFFICE? YEAH, I WOULD TO SECURE THE SITE.
I, I WOULD TO JUST SECURE THAT.
CAN WE SAY IF IT DIDN'T, UH, SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH IT AND WE ARE GIVING YOU TWO YEARS EXTENSION.
CAN WE PUT IT SORT OF SIX MONTHS THAT THEY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IN ALL FAIRNESS, WHY DON'T WE GIVE THEM THE THING TODAY PENDING THE OPINION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO CAN GET BACK TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW, WHEN, AND HOW TO SECURE IT.
IS, IS THAT FAIR? COULD, WOULD YOU AMEND YOUR, YOU WON'T AMENDED TO THAT? NO.
WELL I'M THEN LET'S, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON HIS FIRST SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED DOWN.
MAY I, MAY I SPEAK UP FOR A COUPLE THINGS? SURE.
ONE, TO MAKE SURE I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE RULING FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MIGHT BE AND HOW IT, IT, IT WOULD AFFECT OUR EXTENSION.
WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE EXPIRATION OF OUR CURRENT, UM, TERM, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE DO NEED TO GET THAT EXTENDED.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY CONDITION SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU, OUR YEAH, TECHNICALLY WE HAVE A LEASE THAT'S REALLY JUST MORE OF A LEGAL STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF HOW TO HOLD THE LAND.
WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER THAT LEASE TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR DO ANYTHING TO THE LAND.
THAT'S STILL THE CROWDER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO PASS ALONG TO THEM THROUGH THEIR ATTORNEY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THEY SHOULD BE SURPRISED BECAUSE I THINK YOUR CONDITION HAS BEEN, UM, IN, IN QUESTIONABLE STATE FOR WHILE, FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT AS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER, IF YOU WILL.
THEN, THEN WE CAN LET MICHAEL'S, UH, WE SHOULD VOTE MICHAEL'S THING, BUT I I, I, I WILL DI WE WOULD DIRECT AARON TO WORK WITH A BUILDING INSPECTOR TO SEE WHAT CAN BE, BE SECURED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN YOU PLAN ON CLOSING ON THAT PROPERTY? THE CLOSING COULD BE WITHIN THE NEXT SAY, THREE MONTHS.
WE HAVEN'T SET A DATE AND IT, IT, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON, ON MAKING SURE THAT, UM, WE HAVE FINANCING LINED UP AND, AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET OUR BUILDING PLANS APPROVED.
AND I THINK ON THE LATTER PART, WE FEEL VERY GOOD.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAPPEN RATHER QUICKLY.
CAN WE, CAN WE CONDITION THAT, THAT AFTER YOU CLOSE, YOU DO IT WITHIN SIX MONTHS, YOU WILL THE SITE TO THE WE KNOW WHERE CLOSE, SAFE, UH, CONDITION BECAUSE IT'S EYESORE FOR SEVEN YEARS.
I CAN, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ON, ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.
SO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHEN WE, THE CLOSINGS OF A BIG EVENT IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, THIS ONE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN MUCH LONGER THAN MOST, BUT AT CLOSING,
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IF THE DATE THAT WE ACHIEVE THE FINANCING AND WE ALSO MOBILIZED THE CONTRACTOR TO START THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WITHIN A MATTER OF DAYS IS NOT EVEN HOURS AND THE CONTRACTOR GENERALLY FENCES OFF THE CONSTRUCTION AREA.IT, THEY WOULD GO IN, FENCE IT OFF AND THEY WOULD CLEAR ALL THE EXISTING.
I HATE TO CALL THEM IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT ALL THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND REMOVE ALL OF THAT AND THEY WOULD SECURE THE SITE AND OKAY.
YOU KNOW, NOT THEN FOR NOW, I WOULD JUST CLEAR, I, LET'S VOTE.
WE NEED TO VOTE ON MI MICHAEL MICHAEL'S MOTIONS ON THE PHONE.
YOU'VE GOT THE EXTENSION FOR TWO YEARS.
AND AARON, YOU GOING REPORT BACK WHATSOEVER? I MEAN, IT IS.
I'M GONNA TOUCH BASE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR REALLY IS A HAZARD.
I, I REMEMBER EVEN WHEN WE WALKED THROUGH IT ON THE SITE VISIT YEARS AGO, IT WAS A HAZARD.
IT WAS A HAZARD AND THEN THERE WAS A FIRE AFTER THAT.
AND I MEAN, THERE WERE OLD BARRELS AND BROKEN.
IT WAS ALL THE GREENHOUSES WERE ALL BROKEN UP.
WELL THEN THE STUFF, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST STUFF.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, I'LL GET TO IT.
I'M HAPPY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MOVEMENT.
UM, WE NEED AMANDA BACK, RIGHT? YES.
AMANDA, COME ON DOWN IF YOU CAN HEAR US AND EXIT STAGE LEFT.
UM, WALTER, YOU WANTED TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS ONE MATTER.
ONE MATTER, RIGHT? WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, YEAH, ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE REAPPOINTMENT LETTER.
UM, I NEED A MOTION TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS ONE MATTER SOMO.
ALL IN FAVOR? WHAT PURPOSE? PURPOSE IS TO DISCUSS THE REAPPOINTMENT LETTER.
LET'S GO DISCUSS, UH, AN ISSUE, UH, AN ABOUT APPOINTMENTS AND, UH, NO VOTES WERE TAKEN.
SO, UH, WE WILL MOVE BACK INTO OUR REGULAR WORK SESSION.
UH, THE FIRST PIECE OF BUSINESS IS THE CROSSROAD SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS PB 24 0 8, AND IT IS FOR A PLANNING BOARD, UH, SHARED PARKING REDUCTION BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE OF USE OF A PIECE OF ONE PARCEL WITHIN THEIR SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS BEING CHANGED TO A RESTAURANT, TWO PARCELS.
TWO PARCELS, I'M SORRY, THAT ARE BEING CHANGED TO A RESTAURANT WHICH REQUIRES, UH, INCREASED PARKING.
UM, FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO, THIS IS A UNLISTED UNDER UNDER C.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO DECLARE THIS UNLISTED UNDER C.
ALL OPPOSED? LESLIE, YOU VOTING? I'M SORRY.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
OH, JOHAN, WE'RE DOING, UH, WE JUST STARTED ON CROSSROADS AND WE JUST, UH, WE'RE DECLARING AN UNLISTED ACTION.
ARE YOU YAY OR NAY? UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER? OF COURSE.
CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER PLEASE? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? CORT, DID YOU VOTE? YEAH.
I WELL, WE CAN SECOND IT NOT VOTE.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SECOND MO MOVING TO VOTE AGAINST THEIR MOTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SHE, THE SHARED PARKING.
WALTER, YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS, I BELIEVE YEAH, I, I I THINK ALL, THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE'S, THERE'S AMPLE SPACE FOR PARKING AT THIS SITE AND I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM WITH THE APPROVAL, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S ONE THING WE SHOULD, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD TAKE, IT SHOULD, UH, UH, PUT OFF APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION ON THE SIDE, ON THE DOBBS FERRY SIDE OF THIS.
THERE ARE SOME HOMES, DUCK ROADSIDE, YOU'RE TRYING DOCK TERRY ROADSIDE.
AND, UH, AND THERE'S SOME, UM, UH, PLANTING, BUT IT IS A DIFFICULT AREA.
THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT IT'S ROCK YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH.
THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT THE CURB IS SO SMALL THAT YOU CAN'T, BUT THERE ARE A FEW SPOTS, SEVERAL SPOTS WHERE I THINK YOU COULD PUT SOME PLANTING THERE TO HELP THE SCREENING OF THOSE HOMES.
AND I THINK, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THE, UH, APPROVAL OF, OF, UH, THE APPLICATION.
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AND THEN WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAID THAT THE, UH, THE FORESTRY OFFICER WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND IDENTIFY SOME SPOTS THERE WHERE THEY COULD HAVE PLANTING BECAUSE THEY OFFER A FEW SPOTS.I THINK YOU COULD, SO WE, I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT IDEA.
WE HAVE, UH, MICHAEL THOMPSON ON, ON ZOOM.
HOWEVER, WHAT I WOULD SAY BEFORE HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ASKED FOR THAT IN THE PAST.
SO I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH MR. THOMPSON OR YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER OPPORTUNITY AREAS ALONG GOD REVENUE.
DO WE, WE PUT THAT IN DIFFICULT AREA.
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE PUT THAT INTO THE APPROVAL LETTER? UM, CAN WE PUT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKING? NOT REALLY, UNLESS THEY AGREE TO IT, BUT IT'S PAGE DOES GREEN PARKING.
WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THE APPLICANT TONIGHT WHETHER HE'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE FORESTER OFFICER? AND IF HE SAYS YES, WE'LL TAKE HIM ON HIS WORD.
UM, I'M NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR WHAT, UH, THE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT, UM, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT TO KIND WORKING WITH THE, OKAY, WELL, LET'S BE, I WANT TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THE LOCATION.
IT'S IN THE BACK OF A LOT, IN THE BACK OF THE LOT ON THE, ON THE, THE SIDE THAT IS, UH, FACES STOPS, FERRY ROAD.
THERE'S A ROW OF HOUSES, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT, 10 HOMES THERE.
UH, SOME HAVE, UH, UM, VEGETATION THERE.
SOME, SOME PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY PUT UP THEIR OWN FENCE AND CLOSE IT.
THERE ARE SOME SPOTS AS I INDICATE.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THAT'S, OH, THAT'S, MM-HMM.
BUT YEAH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE BACK'S.
IF YOU LOOK THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A FEW SPOTS THERE WHERE YOU COULD GET THAT COULD TAKE A BUSH OR SOMETHING THAT IS, HAS ENOUGH SPACE FOR IT.
AND, AND, UH, YOU, YOU, IT'S HARD TO SEE THE, THE, THE BLIND SPOTS HERE, BUT I WALKED IT, THERE ARE ABOUT MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE SPOTS WHERE YOU COULD ADD VEGETATION.
BUYING THAT CURB BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES AND THAT CURB IS, UM, UH, PAVED SWALE TO DIRECT WATER OVER.
YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST, YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT SPOT, BUT IN SPITE OF THAT, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THEY MIGHT BE FIVE, CHECK IT OUT WITH THE FORESTRY OFFICER AND SEE IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY THOSE SPOTS.
AND THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE, WITH THE, THE STREAM DOES NOT INTERFERE.
UH, THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT HAVE ROCK, JUST THAT.
DOES THE RESIDENT'S OPINION MATTER? WE'RE ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM.
NO, IT'S NOT ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE EV JUST ABOUT EVERY APPLICATION THAT BEFORE US, WE TALK ABOUT SCREAMING, JUST EV EVERY APPLICATION.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, AND WHY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT SCREENING AGAINST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, SO WHY WOULD THAT BE AN ISSUE? BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AND THEY'VE NEVER PUT IT.
SO IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S ONE PROPERTY THAT I SAW RIGHT THERE THAT HAS FENCING.
AND THE OTHERS DON'T HAVE ANY BUSHES.
I, I'M, MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS DOES THE, DOES THE RESIDENT'S PREFERENCE EVER COME INTO PLAY? YES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT.
THEN MICHAEL, I, I THINK, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, PARKING THAT COULD BE A LAND BANK, AND I'M SURE YOU CAN, SOME OF THESE SPOTS COULD BE LAND BANK AND CONVERT CONVERTED INTO A, UH, SORT OF, UH, AREAS THAT WOULD PROVIDE A RELIEF INTO A HUGE SEA OF ASPHALT THAT NOBODY THERE.
NOT EVEN SINGLE CAR AS PARKED.
I GO OFTEN THERE AND IT IS A VERY DESOLATE PLACE THERE.
AT LEAST BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS OR SOMEBODY DUMPS UP THE, UH, GARBAGE AND OTHER STUFF.
THIS THING IS, IS NOBODY, NOBODY WATCHES THERE.
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UH, SOME KIND OF A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, GESTURE THAT YOU SHOULD DO IT.WE NEED TO CHECK THE CODE TOO AS TO WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE SCREENING.
MICHAEL, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PICK UP ON LESLIE'S POINT, UM, THE APPLICANT ISN'T DOING ANY SITE WORK AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? IT'S JUST SHARED PARKING.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE DOING A SUBDIVISION AND WE NEED SCREENING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, AND I THINK LESLIE MADE THIS POINT THAT PROBABLY MOST IF NOT ALL OF THESE HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNERS BOUGHT THEIR HOMES WHEN THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS ALREADY THERE.
THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY UP TO THE SHOPPING CENTER TO PLAN SCREENING.
THE HOMEOWNERS COULD ALSO PLAN SCREENING IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD BEAR THAT IN MIND.
WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE SHOULDN'T ALWAYS DIG INTO THE DEEP POCKETS OF THESE CORPORATIONS, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE IT THEIR SOLE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING WHICH IS IN ESSENCE A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY.
JUST TO YOUR POINT, MICHAEL, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PROVE THE WAIVER OR DECIDE ON THE WAIVER IRRESPECTIVE OF THIS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
BECAUSE I, YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M NOT PROPOSING, HOLD ON.
THIS IS A PREEXISTING CONDITION THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT THEN? OKAY.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE PARKING WAIVER THEN? SO MOVE AS AMENDED.
AND, AND MICHAEL, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THE MOTION CARRIES A AND, AND, UH, BUT AARON WILL SPEAK, AARON WILL SPEAK, SPEAK, SPEAK WITH THEM.
THE NEXT ONE I THINK, UH, WE'VE HEARD A FEW TIMES.
UM, CASE PB 23 DASH 22, TACHO HYUNDAI FOUR 50 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
THAT'S FOR SITE PLAN, UH, BOARD PLANNING, BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PLANNING, BOARD OF SPECIAL PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES PLANNING BOARD WAIVER.
IT SHOULD BEEN WAIVER SHOULD BE SINGULAR.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAFT AGENDA JUST LIKE I'M, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY NOTES ARE, THAT'S WHY, UH, ENTRY REMOVAL.
I JUST WANTED TO START BY SAYING A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, AND WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER AND EVERYTHING TONIGHT.
WE WILL GET THROUGH THAT TONIGHT, I PROMISE.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT OBVIOUSLY INTERESTED A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN LIVING NEXT DOOR TO A FAIRLY DORM DORMANT SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE LAST LOTS OF YEARS, PARTICULARLY POST COVID.
IT GOT WORSE, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT THERE WAS VERY RARELY MANY CARS PARKED IN THE BACK THERE IN THE FRONT.
THERE IS STILL IS 'CAUSE THE CENTRAL PARK PARK DANCE, UM, THERE WERE MULTIPLE USES THAT, THAT SHOPPING SET THAT PARCEL, I SHOULD SAY, COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR, IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED AGAIN FOR SOME KIND OF SHOPPING CENTER.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE INTO ONE LARGE BOX STORE.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN A RESTAURANT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN LOTS OF THINGS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IT CAN BE BY SPECIAL PERMIT IS AN AUTOMOBILE FIELD DEALERSHIP.
UM, WHEN WE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THIS RELATIVE TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS THERE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, IN OUR ANALYSIS IS LOCATED VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE FURTHER.
AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK WHOEVER AND STAFF WORKED ON THIS, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF LETTERS IN FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK STAFF DID PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
IT MADE IT A LOT EASIER TO READ, BUT IT STILL TOOK ME ANYWAY.
AND I AND THE WALTER, AND I'M SURE SOME OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, A COUPLE HOURS TO GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE.
A LOT OF THE THINGS WE HEARD, MOST OF IT WE HEARD IN PUBLIC HEARING.
ONE THING THAT WAS IN THERE THAT JUST IS, AND AMANDA CAN TELL YOU EVEN BETTER THAN I CAN, IS TOTALLY INCORRECT.
THERE WAS A CALL FOR, FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE A TYPE TYPE ONE SEEKER.
THIS IS NOT TYPE ONE AND SEEKER IN ANY DEFINITION.
DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT A TYPE ONE IS? AMANDA? JUST FOR A SECOND.
I'M TESTING YOUR SEEKER ABILITY.
SO USUALLY IT'S A PLANNING DEPARTMENT PER DETERMINATION.
BUT, UH, UH, SO TYPE ONE IS CERTAIN TYPES OF ACTIONS THAT TRIGGER, UM, A GREATER, UH, REVIEW OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TRIGGERING A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, WHICH THEN ALSO RESULTS IN A FIRE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S AN INCREASED LIKELIHOOD THAT THE PROPOSAL COULD RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THEREFORE FURTHER STUDY AND REVIEW IS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT.RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS IF IT MEET, MEETS MEET THRESHOLD.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT? NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT JOHN.
THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS TO THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE WATCHING TONIGHT IS, UH, THE APPLICANT FILES AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
AND THAT'S REVIEWED BY STAFF TO SEE IF THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT EF.
IF NOT, THEY ASK QUESTIONS AND GO BACK AND REVISE THE EAF.
AND THE DECISION IS BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THERE ARE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A 20 STORY BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY PRO OR A, UH, BASEBALL STADIUM THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS GONNA RUN 24 7, THOSE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS PROBABLY AND GIVE YOU, MAKE, MAKE IT A TYPE ONE.
THIS ISN'T, THIS IS AN APPROVED USE IN, IN THERE ALREADY.
THERE ARE OTHER CAR DEALERSHIPS ON THERE.
UM, IT IS ALSO, UM, WE ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, FROM A TRAFFIC POINT OF VIEW, FROM A USAGE POINT OF VIEW, THAT ALTHOUGH THERE'D BE MORE CARS PARKED THERE, THE AMOUNT OF MO MOVEMENT IS ACTUALLY THE SAME OR ACTUALLY LESS THAN IF IT WAS A FULLY, UH, A FULL, FULLY RENTED, UH, SHOPPING CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THAT ALL FIGURED, FIGURED INTO TO WHERE WE, WE, WE COME OUT IN TERMS OF OUR SECRET DETERMINATION.
SO THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE ITSELF? SO AS AMENDED? AS AMENDED.
UM, JOHANN AND WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES.
AND COULD I ALSO HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SECRET THEN? SO MOVE SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES AS WELL.
WE HAVE LOTS OF VOTES HERE, HUH? MM-HMM.
CAN I CAN GO THROUGH, THROUGH IT.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS SITE PLAN.
LET ME JUST REFER TO THE DECISION.
OH, ONE OF THE THING I WANNA SAY BEFORE WE WENT, WENT SPECIAL PERMIT FIRST.
WE'LL DO SPECIAL PERMIT FIRST BEFORE WE DO THAT, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
I WANTED TO SAY WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT IN BETWEEN, UH, IN BETWEEN THE HEARING AND NOW TO EVEN TRY TO SOFTEN, UH, WHATEVER IMPACT THERE IS EVEN MORE.
AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY ADDED A FEW FEATURES WHICH ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
UM, ONE IS, UH, THE FIVE FOOT CANOPY OVER THE DOORS, WHICH SHOULD MITIGATE ANY NOISE.
NOT THAT THOSE DOORS ARE THAT LOUD ANYWAY, BUT, BUT MITIGATE ANY DOORS AND ALSO THE VIEW FROM ABOVE OF, OF THE DOOR.
THERE IS ONE ISLAND, WHICH IS THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE, UH, APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH THAT WILL ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE SOME MORE, UM, TREES ON IT, WHICH AGAIN, SHOULD HELP BREAK UP THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THIS.
WE HAD ALREADY, THEY HAD ALREADY PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO SCREENING.
THE FINAL THING, AND THIS IS I MAY, I MAY NEED TO HAVE YOU COME UP UP HERE IF YOU DON'T MIND FOR A SECOND FOR COUNSEL.
UM, THE FINAL ISSUE THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM WITH IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UH, APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH CONCERN ABOUT HOW DISRUPTIVE CONSTRUCTION CAN BE.
THE PART OF CONSTRUCTION THAT IS DISRUPTIVE IS DEMOLITION, PARTICULARLY A JACKHAMMER.
I KNOW IT'S IN OUR CODE THAT YOU CAN, OKAY? I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT YOU DO THAT YOU DON'T DO THE OUTSIDE WORK ON SATURDAYS AND YOU RESPONDED THAT YOU WON'T UNLESS, UH, SOMETHING THERE'S A BREAK DURING THE WEEK FROM A SNOW STORM OR, OR WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS THAT HAPPEN THREE TIMES A YEAR THESE DAYS.
CAN I ASK, I NEED TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THE, THE DEMO, THE, THAT EXCAVATION IS GOING GOING TO TAKE? IT'S NOT A WHOLE YEAR.
THE, THE, WELL, IT'S AN ADDITION, RIGHT? THE WHAT EXCAVATION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP, YOU'RE GONNA OPEN UP A WALL, THERE'S SOME DEMOLITION INVOLVED.
THERE'S E EXCAVATION FOR A FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH.
HOW LONG IN THE PROCESS DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I DON'T, I DON'T.
IS IT POSSIBLE? THE ONE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK IF YOU COULD DO IT IS TO
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THE ONLY EX THE EXTERIOR WORK THAT IS BY FAR THE MOST ANNOYING TO PEOPLE IS JACK OR JACKHAMMERS.AND YOU MAY BE USING THOSE IN DEMOLITION.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE USING 'EM ANY PLACE ELSE.
YOU'LL BE USING A BACKHOE AND JUST PULLING UP THE, THE, THE PAVEMENT, I WOULD GUESS.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE USING A JACKHAMMER.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO JUST LIMIT THE JACKHAMMER USE TO, TO THE WEEKDAYS? PLEASE.
IF YOU COULD DO THAT, WE'D BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU USE A JACKHAMMER TO TAKE DOWN A WALL ANYWAY.
IT'S GENERALLY, IT'S, WELL, YOU USE YOUR HEAD, BUT BESIDES THAT, WELL THAT'S THE TOM HAMMER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BREAKING UP A PAVEMENT USUALLY YOU OR CONCRETE.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO, TO DO EXTERIOR WORK ON SATURDAYS.
UNLESS THERE IS A, A WEATHER ISSUE DURING THE WEEK AND WE LOSE, UM, A DAY.
AND THEN IN THAT CASE WE WOULD WORK ON A SATURDAY.
MAYOR, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LANGUAGE SUGGESTED, I JUST, JUST SAYING BEST EFFORTS TO, BEST EFFORTS TO AVOID WORKING ON, ON THAT SATURDAY THEN, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT CREATES WORKING ON JACKHAMMERING AND THE EXTERIOR? NO, THE EXTERIOR.
AND I, AND FRANKLY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE WILL BE JACKHAMMERING.
I, I'M JUST TRYING THAT, THAT IS ONE THING.
I KNOW IF I LIVED IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND, AND I HAD A KID AND IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK, EIGHT O'CLOCK SATURDAY MORNING AND JACKHAMMER STARTED, I KNOW HOW, HOW I'D FEEL ABOUT IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK WE'RE THERE.
GIVEN THAT CHANGE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT? THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO FIRST, RIGHT? UM, SO IT'S WRITTEN WITH SITE PLAN, ALTHOUGH IN, IN THE FUTURE I WOULD PROBABLY SAY SPECIAL PERMIT SHOULD BE APPROVED FOR.
WHICH WOULD, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WHICH ONE? WELL, IT'S WRITTEN WITH SITE PLAN, SO I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE IT THE WAY IT'S RIGHT NOW.
ON THE FENCE, THAT'S BEEN, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A, UH, UM, CHAIN CHAIN LEAK.
IT'S JUST AN OPEN CHAIN LEAK FENCE NOW.
AND THAT WILL BE REPLACED BY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE REPLACED.
IT'S GONNA HAVE LIKE THE TENANT, LIKE A, A MASS SOMETHING PANEL.
THERE'S PANELS SEEKING TO COME AN AGREEMENT ON PUTTING EITHER MESH SCREENING NETTING.
JUST TO MITIGATE, MITIGATE THAT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY GONNA MITIGATE THE FIRST FLOOR 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT IS, IS THE HEIGHT.
I DID SHOW ON THE PLAN, I JUST BROUGHT IT UP.
THE, THE OVERSIZED ISLAND THAT THEY'VE, UH, AGREED TO INSTALL.
SO KINDA SHIELDING OR SCREENING FROM THE, THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT SHOULD REALLY HELP FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE YEAH.
UH, IN THE BACK HERE, THE AWNING IS RIGHT THERE AND IT CAN'T REALLY BE MORE THAN FIVE FEET.
I, I WAS HOPING FOR MORE, BUT I REALIZED WHY I COULDN'T, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A SUPPORT THEN.
THE DEFENSE ISN'T PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S THAT THAT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN NO, IT'S, IT IS A CONDITION.
SO WE'LL START WITH THE SITE PLAN THEN.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION AS AMENDED TO, UH, APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AS AMENDED THEN? SO MOVED SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? YOU ORDERED SPECIAL USE SECOND.
I THOUGHT WE WERE FOLLOWING THIS.
CAN I HAVE MOTION THERE TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? THAT AS AMENDED OR IS IT? MM-HMM.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO NEXT? COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT THEN? ARE WE MOVING ANY SLOPES? THERE IS SOME SLOPE DISTURBANCE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, WITH THE ADDITION BECAUSE IT REMEMBER THAT SLOPE THAT OH YEAH, BECAUSE GOING DOWN SLOPE, OFF THE BUILDING.
SO YEAH, IT'S JUST WHERE THE BUILDING IS, WHERE THE BUILDING IS BEING PUT.
CAN I HAVE THE MOTION THEN FOR THIS STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? SO MOVE SECOND.
WALTER AND CUR ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE DONE A LITTLE MORE TREE TREE REMOVAL.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREATMENT RULE PERMIT AS AMENDMENT AS AMENDED? SO MOVED.
WE NEED TO GET OVERTIME FOR THIS PROJECT ALONE.
NO, I'M GETTING, YEAH, I'M GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT OVERTIME.
CAN I, WOULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN BEFORE WE DO THIS WHAT THE WAIVER IS AGAIN FOR EVERYBODY? YES.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS SOUGHT, UM, AND STAFF HAS LOOKED INTO, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT.
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LAST LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROJECT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAIVER REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.IT RELATES TO PROVIDING MORE THAN 15 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IN A SINGLE LINE WITHOUT A LANDSCAPED ISLAND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THIS BOARD.
THEY'VE ADDED THE ONE ISLAND ON THE NORTH SIDE AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THEY DO HAVE, UH, A FEW ROWS THAT INCLUDE MORE THAN 15 SPACES WITHOUT AN ISLAND.
IT'S A PRE PREEXISTING CONDITION.
IN FACT, IT'S LESS, THERE'S LESS COMPARABLE SURFACE THAN THERE WAS BEFORE.
IF IT'S PREEXISTING, WHY DO YOU NEED A WAIVER? IT'S DIFFERENT USE.
CAN I, I KNOW IF WE GRANT THE WAIVER AS AMENDED, IS THERE AN AS AMENDED? AS AMENDED? CAN HAVE A SECOND.
I WANNA THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND STAFF.
YOUR STAFF IS OUTSTANDING DETAIL ORIENTED AND A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO TAKE THAT CORNER LEFT, WHICH IS NOW GONNA BE WHICH ONE? WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S NOW EMPTY.
IS THAT, WHAT'S IT MATTER? NO.
ARE THEY PLANNING TO BUY? THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOME DIG WHERE? THE CORNER, THE ARMY ROAD OH.COM.
OH, THAT THEY'RE NOT ADJACENT TO THAT.
SO NOT, NOT BEFORE THE PLAN BOARD AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SALES INVOLVED RIGHT NOW.
THAT IS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH.
UM, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I DO KNOW ONE OF THE PRINCIP CORRECT? DO YOU WANNA GET OUT OF HERE TONIGHT? SOMETIME.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAY AFTER SCHOOL AND WRITE.
I WILL NOT TALK WHILE CHAIRPERSON.
TALKING A HUNDRED TIMES ON THE BLACKBOARD.
UM, THE NEXT CASE IS, UH, TOWN BOARD 24 0 6, WHICH IS GAME ON 365 FOR AMENDED SITE AND RECOMMENDATIONS REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND ALSO A VARIANCE RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT THEY NEED.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UM, ANNOUNCE THAT I DO KNOW ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES IN THE PROJECT.
UM, I, IF UNLESS THERE'S OBJECTION, I DID NOT PLAN TO, TO RECUSE MYSELF, MS. AND I ALSO HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS BECAUSE I'M CONFLICTED OUT.
I KNOW IT'S HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE AGAIN, BUT, UH, IN A FEW MONTHS I WON'T BE CONFLICTED OUT OF MUCH ANYMORE 'CAUSE IT'LL BE TWO YEARS.
THESE COFFEE BREAKS JUST HAVE TO STOP
BUT BECAUSE WE'VE DETERMINED THERE WAS NO ILLEGAL ISSUES THAT FOR, UH, JOE TO PINE ON, SO WE DIDN'T ASK FOR JOE TO BE HERE TOO.
WE CAN DO THAT NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL JUST RUN, WE'LL JUST RUN THIS ONE.
AS I WORKED WITH GAME ON, ON SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS IN THE PAST WHEN I WAS WORKING IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE AN OBJECTION, I I DON'T PLAN ON ONUS WHAT CAPACITY? I JUST WE'RE JUST ACQUAINTANCES THAT HAVE, UH, PAST, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP, SO WE KNOW EACH OTHER AND HAVE MUTUAL FRIENDS.
THAT'S NOT NO GROUNDS FOR RECUSED.
AND, UH, JUST TO CORRECT THE RECORD, ONE SECOND.
UM, JUST TO CORRECT THE FINAL AGENDA, IT'S ACTUALLY GAME ON GOLF CENTER.
SO WE, WE ARE IN PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR RECORDS RATHER THAN GAME ON 365.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T PLAY GOLF, IT'S THE DRIVING RANGE ON DO SUR FERRY ROAD.
THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND I PLAY GOLF.
LIKE I'VE BEEN BEEN DOING IT FOR A HUNDRED HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
YOU, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE RECUSAL.
ARE YOU, WERE YOU ASKING US IF WE THOUGHT IT WAS? I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY MY DECISION WHETHER OUR CUSAL SELF RECORDING.
I JUST TOOK THE ETHICS COURSE.
YEAH, I KNOW WHAT IT REQUIRES.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE IT SAYS IF ANYBODY HAD AN ISSUE, THEY COULD TELL ME THEY'D HAVE AN ISSUE, THEN I'D DECIDE THAT'S IT.
UH, YOU GUYS CAN COME UP AND PRESENT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I HOPE I CAN DO THIS RIGHT? WE HAVE VERY HELPFUL STAFF IF YOU NEED
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I, I UNDERSTAND YOU BREAK DOWN WALLS WITH YOUR HEAD ACCORDING TO THE CHAIR.IF YOU NEED A HAND, JUST I, UH, THANKS A LOT.
I'M SURE YOU'LL RETURN A FAVOR.
I DO WANNA SAY ALSO THAT I, I DO KNOW, UH, MR. HAY FROM, UH, YEARS AGO IN SOCCER BECAUSE HE RUNS ON TRACK OR DID CORRECT AND WE PRACTICE SOCCER THERE.
YEAH, BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT.
SEE, I DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T REMEMBER HE WAS LOOKING AT ME.
NO, IT WAS TOO MANY TIMES HITTING HIM A WALL HE DOESN'T HAVE A MEMORY OF BACK IN THE DAYS.
I'VE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER LOOKING SINCE THEN.
SO, UM, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
WE, UM, ARE PROUD TO BE, UH, BEFORE YOU.
WE REPRESENT, UH, GAME ON GOLF CENTER AND YES, WE HAVE NOT BEEN THERE FOR QUITE 100 YEARS, BUT WE ARE CELEBRATING 75 YEARS.
I WAS CLOSE, I WAS CLOSER THAN I THOUGHT.
WE CELEBRATED THAT LAST, UH, LAST YEAR.
UM, SO WE'RE NOW LOOKING FORWARD TO A BRIGHT NEW FUTURE.
UM, THE ACTUAL PARCEL, IT'S MADE UP OF 14 PARCELS.
UM, AND THE, UM, CENTER PARCEL IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, WE OPERATE A GOLF DRIVING RANGE ON THE, THAT CENTRAL PARCEL AND SOME OF THE FRINGE PIECES HERE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER HOUSES AND OFFICE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, UM, THAT WE ALSO, UM, MANAGE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, WE HAVE A, A RATHER LARGE, UM, AND BROAD WIDE, UH, T LINE HERE THAT, THAT BASICALLY FORMS A U ALONG, UH, PARTIAL PART OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD AND CURLS INTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE HAVE A ROAD THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK AROUND AND LOOPS BACK AROUND TOWARDS DORE ROAD AGAIN.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE OUR GOLF SHOP HERE AND THEN WE HAVE AN EXISTING AWNING AND WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW AWNING, UM, ADJACENT TO THE SHOP.
SO OUR EXISTING AWNING IS ON THIS SIDE.
OUR NEW PROPOSED AWNING IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE, OF THE GOLF SHOP.
THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS, IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS BASICALLY A CLOSEUP OF, OF THE, OF THE, WHAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTING.
WE HAVE A T LINE AND THEN ALL WE'RE DOING IS COVERING THE, THAT T LINE, UM, RIPPING UP THE ASPHALT AND REPLACING IT, UH, WITH THIS STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH WEATHER CONDITIONS AND UM, WITH OUR POPULARITY, WE'VE UH, FOUND THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF OUR CUSTOMER'S NEEDS.
UM, OUR AWNING IS VERY POPULAR, BUT IT ONLY ACCOMMODATES, WE HAVE 70 PLUS UM, BAYS AND WE CAN ONLY REALLY ACCOMMODATE 10 PEOPLE UNDER THAT AWNING, THE EXISTING AWNING.
AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING ANOTHER, UH, 10 BAYS HERE THAT WE THINK, UH, UM, IS JUSTIFIED.
APPROXIMATELY THE SAME HEIGHT.
I BELIEVE THE OTHER ONE MIGHT BE 14 OR 12 OR 14 AT ITS PEAK.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING, I THINK IT'S 12, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO ONE QUARTER INCH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHY ARE YOU ONLY ADDING 10? WELL, WE, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WE WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE OUR TECHNOLOGY GOES IN INCREMENTS OF 10 BAY, PRETTY MUCH.
UM, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS TO BE DOUBLING WHAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S STILL A DEMAND FOR THE OUTDOOR, UM, UM, BAYS, BUT, UM, I THINK 10 IS THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER.
IT DOUBLES OUR CAPACITY AND SO WE DON'T HAVE MUCH ROOM.
IF WE WERE TO PUT AN AWNING ON THE ENTIRE WE RANGE REALLY THINK WOULD PROBABLY STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY NEED AT THIS TIME.
I, I WOULD GUESS WHEN A RANGE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE COMING.
YEAH, WE HAVE, SURPRISINGLY WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME I THERE LAST WHEN IT SNOWS IN SHORTS.
SO THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE, TOM.
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NOT ME.CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK AARON, WHY DO THEY NEED PERMISSION TO PUT UP AN AWNING ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY? SO, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE IS DEEMED THAT, UM, THE AWNING WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A STRUCTURE, THEREFORE IT'S SUBJECT TO CERTAIN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S LIKE A PERMANENT AWNING, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT'S OR MORE PERMANENT? IT'S VIEWED AS MORE PERMANENT AND THEREFORE MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A STRUCTURE AND THEREFORE IS SUBJECT TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND WAS DEEMED REQUIRED TO, UH, OBTAIN THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IT WAS NOT, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN, EXEMPTION PROVISION IT WAS NOT GOING TO.
AND WHAT WAS THE VARIANCE THAT WENT WITH THAT? SO, UH, THERE ARE TECHNICALLY TWO VARIANCES.
UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, 'CAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AS WELL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
SO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS 35 FEET AND THE STRUCTURE WILL BE WITHIN 26.6 FEET.
SO THE REQUEST IS A REDUCTION.
THAT'S NOT PRE, THAT'S NOT PRE-EXISTING.
THERE'S PAVEMENT THERE, BUT NOT A STRUCTURE THAT'S, YEAH.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD, I REVIEWED IT WITH A SECOND TODAY, THE SECOND, HOLD ON.
CAN WE HEAR THE SECOND ONE? YEAH, GO AHEAD PLEASE.
SECOND ONE IS ALTERATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE TO INCREASE SUCH NON-CONFORMANCE.
WHAT IS NON-CONFORMING USE GOLF COURSES.
YOU COULD NOT BUILD A DRIVING RANGE ON A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL TODAY.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, THANK YOU.
I SPOKE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE TODAY.
'CAUSE MR. HAY HAD THE SAME QUESTION YESTERDAY.
THAT IMPROVEMENT SAID WITH RESPECT TO THESE PROPOSED CANOPY STRUCTURES OR STRUCTURE WILL BE AT THE 26.6 FEET MARK.
AND THEREFORE REQUIRES THE VARIANCE.
IT'S ALMOST SIMILAR, I THINK TO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.
WE HAD THAT APPLICANT IN ON FOUR 50 WHITE PLAINS ROAD WITH THE TWO BUILDINGS WHERE THE LINE WAS GONNA GO IN BETWEEN.
BUT LET, IT KIND OF RELATES TO IT.
IF WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION FORM, THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
IT SAYS FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 35 MM-HMM.
SO TO ME THAT'S LIKE A 10 FOOT IMPROVEMENT.
THE NEAREST, THE NEAREST ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FRONT YARD.
EXISTS PER THIS EXISTS AT APPROXIMATELY 16.
BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS PROPOSAL.
IT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF BUT, BUT THE GENTLEMAN ANSWER.
IT, IT'S NOT AN, A STRUCTURE AS IN A, A STRUCTURE THAT, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
IT'S ACTUALLY OUR T LINE, WHICH IS A STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S A RAISED PLATFORM.
SO IT IS A CONSTRUCTED STRUCTURE WITHIN THAT 16, IT SAYS IT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION THAT'S 16 FEET.
BUT, BUT YOUR DISTURBANCE, I'LL CALL IT YOUR CHANGED NOW STARTS AT 26.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE DISCREPANCY.
I MEAN, IF, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK UP ON THAT PLAN MM-HMM.
IS 26.6 THE CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE? IT IS NO, UH, AS IDENTIFIED AND CONFIRMED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE NO.
ON THIS STRUCTURE IN CONNECTION.
WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? CONNECTION.
WE CAN HAVE ONE PERSON ANSWER AT A TIME, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IS IT FROM THE FAR LEFT OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? IT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, HOW FAR IS IT? IT'S FURTHER 68.88 FEET.
BUT THEY, BUT, BUT YOUR BAYS GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE LEFT OF WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE CANOPIES.
RIGHT? I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CANOPIES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE VARIANCE ONLY APPLIES TO ONE, TWO, OR THREE OF THESE CANOPIES BECAUSE AS YOU GO FURTHER TO THE RIGHT, YES.
WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING POINT.
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THAT OUT.IT'S JUST ONE CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY DO SHOW A DIMENSION.
AS YOU GET TO THE FAR SIDE OF THE SECOND BAY, THEY'RE AT 30.4 AND HE'S MOVING THE CURSOR THERE.
NOW WHEN YOU GET TO THE THIRD, IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER, A LITTLE FURTHER AND IT INCREASES ALL THE WAY UP UP TO 68 POINT.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UM, WE HAVE TO DO TWO, TWO VOTE VOTES HERE.
AND WE HAVE THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION POLICE HERE.
UM, JOHANN AND AISHA ARE RE RECOMMENDATION POLICE AND ACTUALLY DID HAVE A TALK WITH ED LIEBERMAN ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROJECT A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND THEY ACTUALLY APPRECIATE WHEN WE GIVE THEM A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
I SEE NO PLANNING REASON TO MAKE THIS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO INCLUDE WHAT MICHAEL SAID AS A FINDING, HOWEVER, IN THERE IN NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
BUT THIS IS PURELY A ZONING ISSUE, NOT A PLAN, A PLANNING ISSUE.
SO I I WOULD ENTERTAIN A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
WITH THE STATEMENT THAT MIKE MADE.
THAT ONLY APPLIES TO TWO OR THREE OF THE 10 UNITS AND THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S ALL PREEXISTING CONDITIONS, RIGHT? YES.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION IN? BY THE WAY, WE ALL, IN MY EXPERIENCE IN THE BOARD, WE UH, DID MOST OF THE PREVIOUS ONES WITH NEUTRAL.
UNLESS IT IS VERY, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO WE SHOULD DO NOW, UNLESS THERE'S A PLAN, UNLESS THERE'S A PLANNING, REAL GOOD PLANNING REASON TO DO IT.
LOOK EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN ON, ON CHICK-FIL-A WHERE WE, WHERE THOSE VARIANCES WERE, WERE DONE TO, TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK, WE GAVE THEM A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, SAID WE MADE THE PROJECT WORK WITH THOSE VARIANCES, BUT IT'S REALLY THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION, NOT OURS AS TO WHETHER TO GRANT THOSE.
AND THAT WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE DID ON BOTH.
I, I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO BOTH VARIANCES, NOTING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST FIVE MINUTES.
THAT PASSES THAT, THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S NOT A NEGATIVE FROM US.
THAT'S JUST THAT IT'S A, WE WILL PUT THE COMMENTS THAT MICHAEL SAID IN THERE TO SAY THIS IS, WE THINK THIS IS DEMI DE MINIMIS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ONLY THIS MANY BUT IT'S THERE.
IT'S REALLY THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION, NOT OURS.
OUR BUSINESS, IT'S REALLY UP TO THEM.
AND DO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD? YEAH, WE DO.
DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD FOR THE SITE PLAN? WHETHER THIS IS GOOD FOR OUR PERSPECTIVE IN THE CASE WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD RECOMMEND, YEAH.
POSITIVE, POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHAT, SO WITH THAT, WE SAY IT'S TO THE TOM BOARD.
WE SAID THIS IS A, A GOOD PLAN, BUT THE ZONING HAVE TO OPINE.
THEY KNOW THE ZONING BECAUSE THEY, THEY STILL HAVE TO DO SE DID THEY DO SECRET YET? THEY DIDN'T, RIGHT? NO.
SO THEY, THE ZONING BOARD CAN'T EVEN INE ON THIS.
SO YOU GOTTA GET THROUGH THE PLANNING.
UH, THE TOWN BOARD IS PROBABLY GONNA DECLARE THEMSELVES.
LEAD AGENCY ON THIS, I WOULD ASSUME.
AND IF THEY DECLARE THEMSELVES LEAD AGENCY, THEY HAVE TO DO THE SECRET BEFORE THE THE ZONING BOARD CAN ROLL.
YOU CAN DO A RECOMMENDATION LIKE WE DID TONIGHT, BUT YOU CAN'T DO A DECISION WITHOUT SEEKER BEING DONE.
AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO WORK WITH AARON AS TO GETTING ON THE TOWN BOARD'S AGENDA TO DO SEEKER FOR YOU GUYS.
AND WE'LL, UM, THEY HAVE TO DECLARE TOO.
YEAH, THEY HAVE, OH, THEY HAVE, DID WE, SO, UM, DID WE GET A DECLARATION AS AN INTERESTED AGENCY? 'CAUSE THEN WE SHOULD SAY THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING THAT WE HAVE TO GO ON IT.
OH, IT'S A TYPE TWO UNDER THE SECRECY.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE REFERRAL DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER THE SECRECY.
BUT THEY, SO THEY CAN GO RIGHT TO THE ZONING BOARD? THEY CAN, YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU'LL GET US ONE RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO THE TOWN BOARD AMENDED TYPE ONE WITH RESPECT TO THE TWO VARIANCES.
WE'LL GET THOSE OFF TO YOU IN A TIMELY.
THEN I CAN FINISH NEXT PRESENTATION.
I WONDER HOW THIS GAME ONE 16, RIGHT? ONE.
THAT WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL THING.
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OH GOD.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, IS THERE, ARE THEY? THEY THEY'RE WITH HIM.
I NEED TO, I NEED TO JUST ANNOUNCE THE YES, COME ON IN.
IT'S NOT TOO EARLY TO GET THE SCORE OF THE CELTIC GAME.
ANYBODY, ANY CHANCE WHILE WE'RE UP THERE? I DON'T WATCH SPORTS ON TV.
SHE'S ABOUT LIKE, CELTIC GAME.
PIZZA 1 365 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
IT'S FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR RESTAURANT.
IT WAS YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
THE DELICATE TEST AND THEN IT WAS A BUBBLE SHOP.
IT WAS, IT'S IN THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER WHERE THE BAGEL BAKERY IS.
USED TO HAVE CALIFORNIA PIZZA KITCHEN.
TRIED TO MAKE UP FOR THAT SOUTH TO LEADIN THE HALFTIME BY SIX.
UH, I'M LEONARD BRANDIS, BRANDIS ARCHITECT.
I'M HERE WITH, UH,
MY PROJECT MANAGER AT THE JOB.
I DIDN'T KNOW I CAN, CAN YOU PUT THIS ON THE BOARD? UH, WE CAN, SURE.
DO YOU HAVE AN EASE? THAT'D BE EASY FOR EVERYBODY.
NO, I CAN PUT IT UP ON THE O CAN I HAVE A, I CAN DO IT ON THE EASEL.
NO, HE'S GET, HE PUT IT, HE'LL PUT IT UP UP THERE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING, YOU KNOW, DISPLAY THE OLD FASHIONED WAY OF DOING IT.
AND THEN WE USED TO PUT ALL THESE PLANS OUT ON THE TABLE AND THE FANS USED TO KNOCK AGAINST THE, THE MICROPHONE.
JUST GUIDE ME THROUGH IT AND I'LL PAN.
WELL WHAT WE HAVE IS AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER WITH, UH, SEVERAL BUSINESSES.
UH, WE HAD NOTED ALL THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND THE REQUIRED PARKING.
UH, THE EXISTING PARKING LOT HAS, UH, 200 AND THIS, THE EXISTING SPACES WE HAVE EXISTING ANYWAY.
WHEREAS 209 SPACES ARE REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE BASIC SPACES AS REQUIRED FOR THE VACANT SPACE AS WELL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IF IT HAS BEEN LEASED.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE A RESTAURANT, BUT THERE STILL WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING SPACES, EVEN IF IT DOES BECOME A RESTAURANT.
UH, THERE IS ONLY NOW THE BAGEL RESTAURANT, A BAGEL RESTAURANT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THERE IS AN ASIAN, UH, GROCERY THERE THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACES RIGHT NOW.
IF THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NO SEATING IN THERE AT THIS TIME.
THERE'S NO LEGAL SEATING IN CALIFORNIA.
AND IF THERE IS A SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT THAT'LL TAKE A LOT OF THAT, THEY'LL BE TAKING THAT EMPTY SPACE OFF.
BUT IT'LL ALL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR MOSTLY IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE ARE SEEKING TO CREATE A NEW RESTAURANT.
WE DID GET APPROVAL FOR, UH, PIZZA, UH, KITCHEN RIGHT NOW WITH TAKEOUT.
AND WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW DOING THAT.
AND THEY'RE HOPING TO RETURN THAT INTO A RESTAURANT.
IT WILL NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL WORK, UH, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING OR THE INTERIOR WORK BUILD OUT AS WELL.
TO GO TO THE NEXT SHEET, UH, AS THE, OOPS, I GUESS WE WANNA GO TO THE PIZZA PLACE.
I GUESS JUST SHOWING WHAT THE PIZZA RESTAURANT WILL BE LOOKING LIKE.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED IS, UH, JUST A REGULAR STORE THAT THEY CAN HAVE A COUNTER AND PICK UP.
AND IF WE GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT SHEET, WE CAN SHOW YOU THE, UH, SEATING AREAS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
WE'RE GONNA BE PAINTING BASICALLY A, UH, BANQUETTE WALL WITH TABLES AND LOOSE CHAIRS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE THERE'S GLASS RIGHT NOW, WE'LL HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF TABLES OVER THERE.
A FEW TABLES THERE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SEATS FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, 18 SEATS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE HAVE ADDED A NEW, UH, ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM.
THAT'LL BE EASY ACCESS FOR THE, UH, TENANT FOR THE CLIENTS TO BE USING.
THE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO USE THE RESTROOM THERE.
UH, THERE IS A SEPARATE PRIVATE RESTROOM FOR THE WORKERS IN THE BACK OF THAT THAT WE ARE RENOVATING THAT WAS EXISTING THERE.
SO WE'RE FIXING THAT IN THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT.
SO THEY STILL HAVE THEIR PRIVATE, UH, BATHROOM FOR THE WORKERS THAT ARE IN THE KITCHEN.
AND YOU HAVE AN, YOU HAVE A BACK EXIT? YES, THERE IS A BACK EXIT WHERE WE DO HAVE, UH, STORAGE, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE, UH, CONTAINERS THAT ARE THERE, UH, METAL CONTAINERS THAT'LL HOLD ALL THE REFUGE REFUSE THERE.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE AND APPROVED.
WE HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS WELL ON THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ARE JUST SEEKING TO GET THE SEATING TO MAKE THIS WORK AND AS A FULL RESTAURANT.
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ARE THEY LIQUID SEALED DUMPSTERS, DO YOU KNOW? WELL THESE ARE METAL DUMPSTERS, TWO YARD DUMPSTER IS WHAT WE HAVE.I DUNNO IF IT'S, UH, I MEAN A SEAL THAT THEY DON'T, THEY SHOULDN'T BE LEAKING.
I'LL LOOK AT THAT WHILE THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS.
WHAT ABOUT GREASE CONTAINMENT? EXCUSE ME? UH, GREASE CONTAINMENT.
THEY HAVE GREASE TRAPS IN THERE AND THEY'RE GREASE CONTAINMENT.
THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE GREASE CONTAINMENT AS REQUIRED BY CODE.
AND THEY'LL HAVE SEPARATE PICKUP FOR THE GREASE CONTAINMENT ITSELF.
THAT'LL BE I IS IT GONNA BE A GRILL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THERE IS A GRILL THERE AS WELL.
THEY WILL HAVE A GRILL PLUS PIZZA OVENS AND THEY WANT TO HAVE FULL.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT, UH, THERE IS A FULL EXHAUST SYSTEM, AN ANSEL SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND SET GOING INTO THE SPACE.
SCRUBS AND EVERYTHING FOR, IT'S NOT JUST RAW STUFF GOING OUT INTO THE AIR.
WELL, IT'S GOING THROUGH FILTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YES, IT IS GOING THROUGH FILTER SYSTEM.
WE HAVE NEW FRESH AIR THAT'S BEING TEMPERED.
FRESH AIR COMING INTO THE SPACE.
IT'S ALL NEW SYSTEMS COMING IN.
ALL THE OLD SYSTEM WAS REMOVED PREVIOUSLY.
UH, EVEN THE EXHAUSTED SYSTEM WAS TOO SMALL ANYWAY, SO WE JUST BASICALLY RIPPED IT ALL OUT AND STARTED FROM SCRATCH.
WHAT ABOUT THE SPRINKLR SYSTEM? YOU'RE PUTTING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN? THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM EXISTS.
IT'S EXISTING THERE AND WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY REAL CHANGES TO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
IT'S ALL GOING TO SIMILAR SPACES THAT WERE THERE BEFORE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WASN'T SEATING THERE BEFORE.
THAT'S WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FROM A SPRINKLER POINT OF VIEW.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
IT SHOULD TELL YOU THE WHOLE, IT COVERS THE WHOLE SPACE.
THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM COVERS THE WHOLE AREA.
I JUST NOTED ON THE DRAWINGS WE GO TO THE, UH, I DUNNO IF I HAVE THAT ON THAT PLAN, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT IF YOU NEED THAT.
I DON'T THINK I INCLUDE LIGHTING PLAN ON THERE.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SET THAT WE HAD APPROVALS FOR THAT.
NOW THE SPACE THAT YOU'RE USING FOR SEEDING, WHAT WAS THAT USE FOR? DESCRIBE THAT, WHAT THAT SPACE WAS USED FOR.
IT'S UH, THE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS THE TENANT WAS BUBBLE TEA BEFORE THAT.
AND BEFORE THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS A DELI RESTAURANT.
SO, SO THE SO WE HAD IS WHAT, WHAT OCCUPIED THAT SPACE BEFORE THE SEATING? WHAT OCCUPIED THE SPACE IN OUR APPROVED DRAWING IS GOING TO, WAS GONNA BE DISPLAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN PICK UP, YOU KNOW, UH, GRAB AND GO DISPLAYS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA GET SOME.
THERE WAS NO SEAT SODAS, THERE WAS NO SEATING.
THERE WAS NO SEATING THERE BEFORE.
JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE.
YOU THREW UP TWO DIAGRAMS. I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT ONE.
OH, THIS ONE SHOWS THE SEATING.
THE OTHER ONE, THE OTHER ONE IS THE ROOM FROM BUILDING THE BAR.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF YOU OKAY.
WELL, I, I, I UNDERSTAND NOW, BUT JUST THAT REACHING DRINKS, WE HAD GARBAGE FOR PEOPLE TO USE.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST DISPLAYS AND PICK.
THAT'S WHAT THREW ME OFF RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN SHOWING HOW WE TOOK THOSE AREAS DOWN.
THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS, WAS THE OLD CURRENT IS CURRENT.
WELL I CORRECT, I THINK WHERE IS YOUR DUMPSTERS? BECAUSE THE DUMPSTERS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE'S A PARKING ACROSS FROM THE PARKING.
THERE'S A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S A TOWARD ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY.
OH, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS THEIR OWN, THERE'S TWO DUMPSTERS.
I'M LOOKING AT THE SIDE PLAN AND THERE'S A PARKING SPACE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NO, THEY HAVE DUMPSTERS ACTUALLY OVER HERE AS WELL.
THEY HAVE DUMPSTERS IN THE BACK ON THE GRASS IN THIS AREA HERE.
SO WHY DON'T YOU SORT OF SHOW YOU THE CORRECT SIDE PLAN.
I CAN SHOW THE DUMPSTER FOR YOU BECAUSE THIS ONE SHOWS THAT THERE IS A PARKING AND UH, AND THEN MY LA ONE MORE QUESTION IS THAT, WHERE IS THE, DO THEY HAVE A LIGHTED EXIT? YES.
THEN IT WAS ALL LIGHTED? YES, THERE WAS LIGHTS IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT LIGHT UP THAT WHOLE AREA.
WE NOT, IS THERE HANDICAP PARKING CLOSE TO IT? YEAH.
UH, TO WHERE, TO YOUR FRONTAGES.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE HANDICAPPED PARKING IS? IT'S PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR HANDICAPPED.
UH, THEY ON THE SIDE OF IT, I MEAN RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS WHAT THEY HAVE NORTH SIDE.
THAT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN, IT'S A LONG WALK THAT JUST GO ON THE SIDEWALKS GOING ACROSS.
THERE'S NOT BUT THERE'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING.
THAT'S A LONG WALK FROM THAT ENTIRE, WELL NOT JUST IN FRONT OF YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NOT IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE AND ENTIRE WHOLE STRIP.
NOT THIS IS WHAT THEY APPROVED.
THIS IS THE APPROVED PARKING PLAN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY BY THE TOWN.
SO WE WEREN'T CHANGING THE PARKING.
HOW CAN YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT AT THE END THERE? A BUSY RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, CALIFORNIA PIZZA KITCHEN WAS, WAS BUSY.
I'M HOPING WHATEVER GOES IN THERE IS GONNA BE BUSY WITHOUT HAVING HANDICAP WHAT WAS ON THE END.
AND THE A A J WAS ON, ON THAT SIDE NEAR CALIFORNIA.
WAS THERE A HANDICAP ON HERE? IT'S BASED ON THE ACCOUNT.
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SOLVING ON THE SOUTH END.IT WAS ON THE SOUTH OF THE VACANT SPACE.
MATH PLACE I THINK IS, I'M SORRY, I'M THE MATH PLACE ON THE NORTH SIDE, I THINK.
UM, IS IT GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS? NO.
SO ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS PERMISSION TO PUT 18 SEATS INSIDE THEIR RESTAURANT.
IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? IS THERE ANYTHING, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY REASON NOT TO SAY OKAY, I DON'T THINK SO.
WOULD LIKE THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A RESTAURANT.
SO THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
UH, RELATED TO THE HANDICAPPED PARKING, THERE ARE STRIPED BLUE SPACES.
WHERE? UH, ADJACENT TO CALIFORNIA PIZZA KITCHEN.
OH, THERE ARE, UM, IF YOU'LL AARON, IF YOU CAN LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK.
THAT'S CLOSE, THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE APPLICANT, THEY'RE NOT VERY WELL KNOW CLEARLY.
MARK IT YOU SHOULD TALK TO, JUST TRY TO TALK TO
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE STRIPING, YOU NEED TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT WIDE STRIPE NEXT TO IT.
JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY PUT A SIGN UP THERE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT LEGAL OR WAS IT APPROVED? I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANY APPROVAL IN THE TOWN FROM THAT.
I I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD JUST SOME HANDICAPPED PARKING MAKE UP SOMETHING THAT PARKING ON THAT SIDE BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T NEED A PERMIT AT ALL.
ESPECIALLY THEY ALREADY HAVE SPECIALTIES PERMIT.
WHOEVER'S GOING TO THAT RESTAURANT PERMIT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY.
MEAN NORMALLY I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF IT WAS ME DESIGNED THIS FROM, FROM SCRATCH, I WOULD MAKE SURE THE HANDICAP DOES NOT HAVE TO GO ACROSS A DRIVING LANE.
AND IT'LL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING AS THE OTHER SIDE HAS IT LEGALLY.
SO PUTTING IT OVER THERE TO ME IS NOT REALLY, I MEAN I'D LOVE TO DO A COUPLE COUPLE OF SPACES RIGHT IN FRONT IF YOU COULD, BUT WELL, THIS IS UP TO THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, AND THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SITE PLAN WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS SITE PLAN.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS AS PART OF, BECAUSE IN CONNECTION WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU PROVIDED A SITE PLAN DIAGRAM.
SO I CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH THE BUILDING.
YOU COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY IF YOU HAD TO WITH THE STRIPING LOSE A SPACE BECAUSE YOU'RE WELL OVER.
I WOULD HAVE TWO HANDICAP SPACE AND JUST TAKE OUT ONE SPIKE.
WE LOSE ONE SPACE AND JUST PUT THE HANDICAP EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NINE FOOT WIDE RIGHT NOW YOU ONLY NEED EIGHT.
BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ONE CENTER AND SET UP THAT WAY AND I'LL DISCUSS THAT.
IT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE TO ME.
THAT'S, I SAID I WOULDN'T EVEN USE THOSE.
I WOULDN'T EVEN WANNA MARK THOSE.
GO BACK TO MICHAEL'S QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULD, UM, OPPOSE THIS? I MEAN, WE SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH THE MENTAL CALCULATION THAT YOU HAVE.
WE ARE OVER PARKED AND WE, WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT AND THAT WE ARE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED SPACES.
SO JUST IN OUR MIND THAT WE GO THROUGH THAT MENTAL CALCULATION TO SAY WE'RE REDUCING THE SPACES, BUT WE KNOW WE ARE OVER PARKED.
SO AS LONG AS WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT RATIO, THEN IT'S FINE.
SO AGAIN, WITH THIS PROPOSED RESTAURANT, 209 REQUIRED, 262 EXISTS RIGHT? PARKED THEN IT'S NEVER, IT'S, YEAH.
YEAH, EXCEPT, EXCEPT WHEN THE FIRE DISTRICT SHOWS UP WITH THE, THE FIRE ENGINE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE.
SO IF THEY LOST THE SPOT, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE TO GET THE TWO ADDITIONAL HANDICAP.
I JUST THINK THE FACT IS NO PUBLIC OFFICIAL HANDICAP ON THAT SIDE OF THE, THE, THE PRO OF THE PROPERTY BOTHERS ME GREATLY.
SO STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT AHEAD ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I MOVE THAT WE GRANT THE SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
WE, WE CAN'T, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I IN ADVANCE
SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, FOR WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING? JUNE 5TH BETWEEN NEXT MEETING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
AND I WOULD SAY IF YOU A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU COULD COME IN WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU STEP AHEAD OF YES.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING OVER ONE MORE THING, BUT AT LEAST NO, I'M SAYING I FED YOU THE NO.
THIS WILL TAKE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SAY ONE THING IF MONA WAS HERE, NOBODY WOULD BE SAYING HANDICAPPED.
IT'LL ALWAYS BE A DA AADA, A AMERICAN DISABILITY AT COMPLIANCE,
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RIGHT.THE ONE THAT WAS WATCH WATCHES ALL I KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE GAME'S I, WE SHOULD GO, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I SAID THAT I DIDN'T ASK QUESTIONS.
GAVE ONE OR NOT YET? I THINK I DID.
ARE YOU JUST FILLING THE GAP? JUST THE OTHER THING IS EVERYBODY, I THINK EVERYBODY, HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO DO ETHICS? DO YOU KNOW? I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.
I STILL, I I DID, I HAVEN'T FILLED OUT THIS.
I JUST, I JUST SUBMIT THAT I DID IT, BUT I DID REVIEW.
IT'S AN ONLINE TRAINING TODAY.
DO TODAY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE THAT WE COME UP WITH A ONE LIST BECAUSE, BECAUSE EVERY TIME, UH, A PROGRAM GOT YOU.
SO THEN YOU START QUESTIONING YOURSELF.
DID I TAKE IT? BECAUSE THEY KEEP ON MAILING IT TO TAKE IT
SO IF WE, AND SO IF WE CAN HAVE JUST ONE SHEET FOR ETHICS, SEXUAL HARASSMENT ETHICS IS EVERY TWO, THREE YEARS.
ETHICS TRAINING IS EVERY THREE YEARS.
THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, THEY ARE WORKING ON IT HARASSMENT.
SO EVEN, EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE TAKEN IT, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE, I JUST WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO MY CHILDHOOD WITH FOUR BROTHERS.
I WAS LIKE, I HAVE ONE OTHER THING.
AND THEN EVERY EVERYBODY EXCEPT CLA CAN GO HOME.
WHO HAS TO, UM, BOARD MEMBER RIGHT ON THE BOARD A HUNDRED TIMES.
I SHALL NOT INTERRUPT THE CHAIRPERSON.
ARE WE STILL YES, WE'RE STILL ON.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP OLD COLONY ROAD FOR A SECOND.
AARON, THANK YOU FOR GOING OUT THERE.
AND AARON DID LOOK, AND ACCORDING TO AARON, I GOTTA BELIEVE AARON, IS THAT IT DOES MEET WHAT THE, UH, THE, UH, PLAN WAS.
HOWEVER, THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER ISSUE FOR THE BOARD.
THAT MEANS THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN LESS THAN A FEW YEARS WE HAVE SCREWED UP.
THIS BOARD HAS IN UNDERESTIMATING WHAT THE IMPACT OF A WALL IS IN OVERESTIMATING, WHAT THE IMPACT OF SCREENING IS.
AND TOM AND I TALK ABOUT FOOT SHOPRIGHT ALL THE TIME.
IT COULD HAVE LOOKED A LOT BETTER.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, LUCKILY IT FACES THE PIPELINE WHERE PEOPLE JUST DRIVE BY ON THE WAY, WAY TO THE HAR STEEL STATION.
BUT THE NEXT ONE MAY FACE SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
SO I THINK WHAT I WANNA SAY IS, AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO IF THIS LOOKS LIKE GOOD SCREENING TO ANYBODY, OKAY? IF THIS WAS FACING MY HOUSE AND I HAD BEEN IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY TOLD ME THERE WAS PROPER SCREENING, I KNOW WHAT I'D BE SAYING.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT CAN WE DO OKAY.
THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT, IT'S ALL, IT'S A MATTER OF, IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT.
WE, WE WERE DOING EVERYTHING IN GOOD FAITH.
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE GENEROUS WITH THE WAY THEY FOLLOWED THE PLAN.
WELL, AND THE PLAN, THEY LOOK BIGGER.
SO CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? SURE.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT ZCO.
OKAY, I FINISH BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT ZKO.
IF THE WALL FACED A BUNCH OF HOUSES MM-HMM,
WHAT KIND OF SCREENING WOULD BE EXPENSIVE? IT WOULD BE CONIFERS.
MAYBE YOU'D HAVE TWO ROWS THAT ARE STAGGERED SO THAT THEY GROW, YOU KNOW, THEY'D GROW INTO IT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING A WORD.
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WERE NOT, I DIDN'T SAY A WORD.
YOU MIGHT STAGGER THEM TO GET AND IT WOULD TAKE TWO, TWO OR THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
BUT, AND IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE.
IT WOULD PROBABLY COST 10 OR 15, 10 OR 15 TIMES AS MUCH AS THE ZPA CO PLANTINGS DID.
FRANKLY, IF I HAD TO DO OVER AGAIN, IF I LOOKED AT THE ZCO PLAN, I'M NOT SURE
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I'D ASK FOR ANYTHING MUCH MORE THAN THIS.MAYBE A LITTLE IVY THAT WOULD GROW OVER THE WALL IN A FEW YEARS.
HOW MUCH DOES IVY COST? FEW HUNDRED BUCKS.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD SOLUTION.
PROBABLY IF YOU SPOKE TO ZPA NOW LET, LET HIM FINISH AND ASK HIM TO PUT IN LATE 20 OR 30 PLUGS OF IVY AT 15 BUCKS A PLUG.
THEY MIGHT SAY, OKAY, SO THEY HAVE SOLD ALL THE PROPERTIES AND ARE NOW ONTO THEIR NEXT PROJECT.
BUT UH, CHIPPERS AND SCHWARTZ BROUGHT UP THE IVY COMMENT.
THERE ARE OTHER COVERS THAT SOME IVY'S INVASIVE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GO WITH NON-INVASIVE SPECIES.
I HAVE THAT IN MY, WHAT MY UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I AS STAFF OF THE DEPARTMENT AM PUTTING ON MY LIST TO CHECK AND REMIND MYSELF AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER WALL APPLICATIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A HOUSE NEXT DOOR OR NOT.
YOU OFFICIALLY FALLEN ON YOUR SWORD TONIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT WE WANTED? CAN WE, THAT, THAT, BUT WE NEED TO RESURRECT HIM BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HERE IS VERY GOOD AND VERY DETAIL ORIENTED.
SO, UM, BUT HE JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT SAYING THE WORD IVY OUT THERE.
ALL I WANTED TO SAY, SAY IS AGAIN THEN, THEN I'LL GET TO YOU CRI IN A SECOND.
AGAIN, THIS ISN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ZCO IF IT WAS, I KNEW IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS.
IT'S A LEARNING FOR THE FUTURE.
I WOULD'VE MADE SURE THAT THEY PUT LIKE THREE TO FOUR FOOT ARBOR BEHIND THERE.
NORTA SAID YOU WAS TREES THAT, THAT ARE GONNA SCREEN ANYTHING IN THE WINTER.
THERE ARE TWO OTHER ISSUES WITH THIS SPECIFIC ONE THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP.
ONE IS THE FENCE, WHICH IS, IS A SAFETY HAZARD, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN FIXED AND HAS NOT BEEN FIXED.
IT'S AN OPEN RAIL FENCE AND THE KID IS GONNA GO CHASE A BALL, GO THROUGH THAT FENCE OR OVER THAT FENCE.
WELL CAN I ASK YOU SOME, SOMETHING ABOUT THE FENCE UHHUH
SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU COULD, ASSUMING THE FENCE IS HIGH ENOUGH, IT'S NOT REALLY HIGH.
WELL ASSUMING THE FENCE IS HIGH ENOUGH, ASSUME YOU COULD PUT SOME KIND OF THE WIRE.
YOU KNOW, SO THE KIDS DON'T CORRECT CLOCK THROUGH IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY THAT WAS THE PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE PLAN.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THIS OKAY? THE BEHIND THERE THERE IS NO WAY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT AND DIDN'T.
I'M JUST, JUST POINTING OUT, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY CAN CONTINUALLY, EASILY GROOM BELOW THE WALL.
WE TALK ABOUT THIS MICHAEL, YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
IN OTHER CASES, LIKE HOW DO YOU GET TO, TO THE AREA TO TAKE CARE OF IT? THERE'S A WHOLE AREA IN FRONT OF THAT WALL THAT'S GROWING IN WEEDS.
AND IF I LIVED IN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THERE.
I'D HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN ON COLONY ROAD AND ON PIPELINE.
WE COULD HAVE, COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED WITH GROUND COVER.
SO I SPOKE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE ABOUT THAT.
UM, IF AND WHEN THERE'S A VIOLATION, MY SUGGESTION TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE WAS TO OFFER A SUGGESTION TO PLAN SOME GROUND COVER SO THAT IT CAN MAINTAIN ITSELF, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEFORE ZCO DEVELOPED TREES? IT WAS WELL DOWN THERE IT WAS WOODED, WOODED TREES.
THEY NEEDED AN ACCESS OFF OF PIPELINE TO BRING THE MATERIALS UP INTO THE SITE.
THAT'S SO WAS SOME TREE REMOVAL.
AND, AND TO REPLACE THAT PIPE IN FAIRNESS TO THEM.
AND TO REPLACE THAT PIPE, WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANT.
WHICH YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB BY THE WAY.
IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN THE PIPELINE THAT DOESN'T FLOOD.
NOW, LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING, I, I GOT A BACKYARD ON A STEEP SLOPE.
YOU DO? AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LOT OF PLANTING IN THERE.
YOU COULD PLANT ALL THE GROUND COVER YOU WANT IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S NEVER GONNA LOOK NICE UNLESS IT'S RIGHT ON THE PERSON'S PROPERTY ON THEIR FRONT LAWN AND THEY'RE IN THERE WEEDING ON.
IT'S NEVER GONNA LOOK REALLY NICE.
BUT THIS IS, IT'S GONNA LOOK WEEDY ALWAYS.
WELL MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT, MAYBE WE WOULD'VE HAD 'EM REPLANT TREES BACK IN THERE THEN.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME, I JUST TAKE OUT THE LAST FEW.
I'M MORE, WE'RE FINISHED IF YOU NEED BE WE ALL SET.
I HAVE AFTER, AFTER WE CLOSE, I HAVE ONE, ONE COMMENT.
YOU TOLD ME THAT I'M FINISHED FINISH.
I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS THE HAVING TO NOT LOOK INTO THE OPTION TO NOT HAVING 10 FOOT WALK.
IF YOU CAN HELP THEM TO GO AND BREAK IT UP AND THEN DO IT, THEN THERE IS ALWAYS MUCH BETTER.
AND THAT WAS THE SAME PROBLEM THAT THE STOP RIGHT.
IT LOOKS LIKE A WE'VE DONE THAT A LOT OF TIMES.
WE SUPPOSE IT, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES WE MISS IT.
ALL I'M SAYING ON THIS IS I THINK WE NEED TO BE, HAVE MORE SPECIFICITY ABOUT THE TYPE OF TREE AND THE SIZE OF TREE
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WHEN WE'RE APPROVING THE PLANT.I THINK, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT.
THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERGREEN VERSUS GOOD SETBACKS AS OPPOSED CLOSE AT 8 37.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE I WAS JUST GONNA SAY RECORDING.