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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, June 5, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 5TH, THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIR PERSON? SCHWARTZ? PRESENT MR. HAY? HERE.
MS. DAVIS? HERE IN OUR ALTERNATE MS. SPARKS HERE.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW THAT WE'VE HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT ATTENDANCE.
AND, UH, JUST TO NOTE, UH, WE HAVE A PINCH HITTER, UH, AS OUR COUNSEL TONIGHT.
UM, JOE DANKO, WHO IS OUR, OBVIOUSLY OUR TOWN ATTORNEY.
SO THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR FILLING IN FOR AMANDA.
TOM, YOU HAD A, I THINK ONE CHANGE.
I HAD ONE CHANGE FOR CLARIFICATION ON PAGE ONE.
UM, THE FIRST BIG PARAGRAPH UNDER NUMBER THREE CORRESPONDENCE, UH, AT THE, THE LAST BIG SENTENCE SAYS, MR. MAYBERRY EXPLAINED THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ABOUT ACQUIRING THAT PARCEL OF LAND.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ADDITIONAL PARCEL OF LAND WILL DO.
OTHERWISE, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE HAVE NOW CONFIRMED THAT THE PLAN FOR SHOVELING WAS 3.79 ACRES AND THEY DIDN'T NEED THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, PARCEL OF LAND.
THEY GOT THE VARIANCE BASED ON THE 3.9.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PAPERWORK.
THEY SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO PUT SHOVEL ON THE GROUND AND CONFIRMED WITH FRANK ABOUT, UM, CLAIMING OUT, SENDING OUT A, THEY WERE ISSUED.
ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE, UH, NO TO THE MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN? SO MOVED.
SECOND, WALTER, TOM, AND WALTER.
UH, THERE IS NOTHING, I DON'T BELIEVE IN CORRESPONDENCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF UPDATES FOR YOU, JUST SO, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, JOE, YOU CONFIRMED THAT THE LETTER ON THE REAPPOINTMENT WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
THAT'S ONE THING, THE A DU LAW, UH, IS STILL WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH THE CAPITOL AND SOME PERSONAL PERSONNEL ISSUES LATELY THAT HAVE BEEN TYING UP THE BOARD.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET TO THE A DU JULY, I THINK, JOE, I'LL REMIND THEM.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE INTENTION.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO THE MID OF JULY.
THEY, THEY TAKE OFF ONE, DID THEY HAVE ONE MEETING IN AUGUST? WE, WE DO ONE MEETING JULY, ONE MEETING IN AUGUST.
LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING PURPOSES TWO WERE PUT ON JULY AND, AND NOT IN AUGUST, BUT WE'RE GOING BACK TO ONE AND ONE AGAIN.
SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET, GET IT ON THE SUMMER FOR THE A DU LAW SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THAT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OUTSTANDING, UH, WITH THE TOWN BOARD WITH A SUGGESTED PROCEDURE TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER THAT SOMEONE LIKE THE A VL SENDS TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD SEES THAT ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED AS WE, AS WE UNCOVERED.
THE LAST TIME HOW IT HAPPENED.
I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND THE A VL NEEDS TO KNOW THAT.
THE TOWN BOARD NEEDS TO KNOW THAT, AND THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE FROM THE TIME OF THE A VL AND THAT'S WHAT THE PROCEDURE WOULD DO.
UM, ONE OTHER THING IS EDGE MARK, JUST SO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE THERE, THE BOND ISSUE LOST BY 26 VOTES.
UM, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FROM THERE IS ANYBODY'S GUESS, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA REISSUE A BO A BOND REFERENDUM WHEN HOPEFULLY FOR THEM SOONER THAN LATER.
THE GOOD NEWS IS IT GIVES THE TOWN AN OPPORTUNITY HOPEFULLY TO, UH, TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT DIDN'T GET RESOLVED BEFORE THE BOND, I HOPE.
AND FINALLY, UM, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS YET, I DON'T BELIEVE.
WE HAVE, WE'VE, THAT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW WHERE WE SENT OUT THE, UH, PAUL ACTUALLY SENT OUT THE LETTER THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED ON THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD TO, UM, GET AN OPINION FROM THE AG AS TO WHAT THE JURISDICTION IS THAT THE, THE LAW IS CLEARLY MURKY, NEEDS TO BE FIXED, CLEARLY MURKY.
IT IS, IT IS MUR IT IS MURKY AND, AND VERY CONFUSING FOR EVERYBODY.
AND AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY WRITE, WRITE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE STATE, OR AT LEAST HAVE THE TOWN RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD TO WRITE SOMETHING TO THE STATE TO REVIEW THE LAW AND HOPEFULLY UPDATE IT AND MAKE IT CLEAR AS TO WHO HAS JURISDICTION, PARTICULARLY WHEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TOWN WILL HAVE LIABILITY FOR CERTAIN THING IMPACTS OF IT.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REAPPOINTMENT? THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
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IS WITH THE TOWN BOARD.UH, AMANDA, UH, TOOK OUR INFORMA, TOOK THE SUGGESTIONS WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, INCORPORATED THEM VERY WELL INTO THAT, AND FORWARD FORWARDED THE LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YEAH, WE DOING, WE'RE DOING LIGHT LABOR DRAFT.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NOW IS TAKE ABOUT A TWO MINUTE BREAK.
BARBARA'S READY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GO UP ON A DAY, RIGHT? YES.
UH, TO GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA DO A LIGHTBRIDGE LAST BECAUSE OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IS NOT GONNA BE HERE UNTIL A LITTLE BIT LATER.
AND, UH, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE, WHAT THE ISSUE WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
SO WE'LL GET THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN COME BACK, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE, UH, NEW BUSINESS AND DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME IT IS, AND LIGHT BRIDGE, DEPENDING ON, ON THE TIME, WE HOPE TO GET TO LIGHTBRIDGE AROUND NINE.
WE'LL BE BACK IN UP IN THE DAY IN A COUPLE MINUTES.
NOW IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING ON JUNE 5TH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERS AND SCHWARTZ.
AND THERE ARE ALTERNATE MS. SPARKS HERE.
AND AGAIN, UH, JOE DANKO IS JORDAN S'S COUNSEL THIS EVENING AS OUR, UH, REGULAR COUNSEL IS NOT AVAILABLE.
FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS CASE PB 24 10.
THAT'S PIZZA ONE AT 360 4 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
IT'S FOR A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
NOW YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND INTRODUCE THE PROJECT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M LEONARD BRANDIS, THE ARCHITECT FOR PIZZA ONE.
UH, WE'RE REQUESTING TO BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO TURN THIS INTO A RESTAURANT.
RIGHT NOW IT'S SET UP AS A, UH, PICKUP, PIZZA OR SET UP AREA RIGHT NOW AS WE HAVE THE PLANS, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, YOU HAD REQUESTED ADDITIONAL HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PARKING, WHICH WE DID SPEAK WITH THE OWNER AND HAD A MEETING WITH HIM.
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ADD TWO PARKING SPACES AT THE FRONT.THERE DOES EXIST AN EXISTING, UH, ACCESSIBLE RAMP AT THE END OVER THERE, SO IT'S EASY ACCESS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANYTHING, JUST GO AROUND RIGHT OVER TO THAT AREA.
UH, WE TOOK OUT TWO PARKING SPACES AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE CAN SHOW WE'RE PUTTING IN THE TWO CONTAINERS.
THAT'LL BE TWO, TWO YARD CONTAINERS, METAL CONTAINERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SEALED LIQUID PROOF.
SO WE MEET THE BUILDING INSPECTORS, UH, APPROVAL ON THAT ONE.
SO WE HAVE REDUCED THE PARKING SPACES FOR A TOTAL OF THREE.
THAT LEAVES US WITH 259 PARKING SPACES.
THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACE IS 209, SO WE'RE STILL WELL WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
YEAH, JUST WALK THROUGH THE TABLES AND CHAIRS BRIEFLY.
WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR 18, UH, SEATS IN THIS, IN THE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S ZERO SEATING RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE STORAGE AND SUPPLY.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT.
IT WILL NOT REQUIRE ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS EXCEPT TAKING OUT A FEW, UH, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WERE GOING THAT'S USING TO SELL, LIKE, UH, PICKUP SODAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT THAT BEHIND THE COUNTER AND THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING, UH, BANTA SEATS ON THE SIDE.
UH, YOU COULD SHOW THE SITE THE FLOOR PLAN IF YOU WANT.
IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE IT? DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE? UH, OKAY.
NEED THAT ONE IN THERE? WE, THIS ONE HERE.
AND SO THE FLOOR THAT ON, BRING THAT UP.
LET'S COME A LITTLE CLOSER WITH IT.
AND YOU CAN USE ONE OF THESE MICS, I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO PICK UP, JUST PICK UP ONE OF THOSE MICROPHONES AND TURN IT ON AND JUST TURN, PUSH IT.
SO, AND THEN BALANCE SOMETHING ON YOUR HEAD.
IT'LL BE EASIER WAY TO SHOW WHAT WE DOING.
MATT, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE SHARE SCREEN FOR FOLKS WATCHING PEOPLE AT HOME? YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUGGLE ANYMORE, YOU CAN GO BACK OVER THERE TO THE LECTERN AND, OKAY.
WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN IN A SECOND.
MATT, COULD YOU JUST BLOW IT UP JUST A TOUCH SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE A LITTLE BIT.
THE TOP DRAWING SHOWS THE EXISTING APPROVED PLAN, WHICH THEY ARE IN THE, IN PROCESS OF BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND SINCE SETTING THIS UP IN THIS PROCESS, WE HAD ADDED A ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM TO THERE.
THERE WAS A KITCHEN IN THE BACK THAT WE HAVE MODIFIED.
WE PUT ALL NEW EQUIPMENT, UH, ALL NEW, UH, SET UP ON THE, UH, EXHAUST SYSTEMS, A NEW WALK-IN BOX.
THERE'S ALSO A, A SMALL BATHROOM IN THE BACK FOR EMPLOYEES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE USING THE OTHER, UH, BATHROOMS IN OUR NEW VERSION.
IF WE GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM DRAWING, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ADD, UH, BANQUETTE BEHIND THE COUNTER AND, UH, THREE SEATS, UH, OF DEUCES.
TWO SEATS PER TABLE IN THE FRONT.
SO WE CAN HAVE SOME PEOPLE LOOKING IN THE FRONT AND SHOW THAT WE'RE BEING USED AND ACCESSIBLE.
AND THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS NOT BEING MODIFIED AT ALL.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM ITSELF.
IT'S ALL IN PER, IT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
THANK YOU FOR THE PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN WHERE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE ASK THE PUBLIC FOR, FOR COMMENT? NO.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC EITHER HERE, MURRAY, COME ON UP TO THE VETERAN PLEASE.
I'LL ASK AFTER, AFTER MURRAY WILL ASK.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S MY NAME.
AND, UH, IF I MAKE A MISTAKE, IT'S BECAUSE I'M DEALING WITH, UH, DEMENTIA COMING ON AND CORRECT ME IF I MAKE ANY MISTAKES.
THE REALITY OF TODAY IS THAT PEOPLE PARK DIFFERENTLY.
PEOPLE BACK IN BECAUSE IT'S SAFER TO BACK IN THAN TO PULL IN AND BACK OUT IN A BLIND SPOT THAT CREATES SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
ONE, THE SPACES SHOULD BE SIX INCHES WIDER SO IT'S EASIER TO BACK IN.
UM, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE A LOT OF STUFF.
THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION WITH THEIR MANUAL OR UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES RELEASED A NEW MANUAL IN DECEMBER OF 2023.
WHAT THEY DID WAS MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BE USABLE.
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BEFORE THAT IT WAS FIXED.YOU EITHER DID IT THEIR WAY OR YOU WERE WRONG.
I MET THE NEW COMMISSIONER AND HE SPOKE IN NEW YORK.
I, UH, LIKED THE WAY HE TALKED.
WHAT HE DID WAS ONE THING THAT CHANGED THE WHOLE PROCEDURE.
THEY TOOK OUT THE WORD WARRANTS.
WARRANTS SAID, YOU EITHER DO IT OUR WAY OR YOU CAN'T DO IT.
HE TOOK OUT THE WARRANTS PAST, CURRENT, AND FUTURE.
AND WHAT HE SAID WAS, LOOK AT THE SITUATION IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
THE RULE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S COMMUNITY.
NOW, IF YOU THINK WHAT YOU IN YOUR COMMUNITY IS GOOD AND BETTER THAN WE HAVE WRITTEN IT, DOCUMENT IT, SEND IT TO US TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE GENERAL OVERALL SAFETY COMMITTEE.
YOU DO NOT NEED OUR PERMISSION.
WE LIVE IN A WORLD NOW WHERE RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD EVERYTHING IS CHANGING.
THE RULES THAT WERE FIXED AREN'T FIXED ANYMORE.
SO THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO CHANGE HERE, THE YELLOW LINE ACROSS THE, THEY USED TO CALL A FIRE ZONE, HAS TO BECOME WHITE.
AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, AND I WILL SPEAK ABOUT THIS AT EVERY MEETING.
IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, YOU WILL SEE CARS BACKED IN EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF RULES HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYWHERE YOU GO BECAUSE OF AUTONOMOUS DRIVING.
THE LINE ON A RIGHT EDGE HAS TO BE WHITE AND THE LEFT EDGE OF YOUR LANE HAS TO BE YELLOW.
IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE CARS COMPUTER EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S COMPUTING, DECIDING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO.
SOME ARE AUTOMATIC, SOME ARE SEMI-AUTOMATIC.
IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT SO YOU KNOW WHICH WAY IT GOES.
IT SAVES COMPUTING POWER AND MAKES SAFETY MUCH QUICKER.
SO I WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT EVERYWHERE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT BETWEEN THE HANDICAP SPACES, THAT LITTLE BLUE THING THAT'S A ZEBRA CROSSWALK PAINTED BLUE, IT HAS TO BE CONVERTED TO A SHARED CROSSWALK BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS GOING SOMEWHERE AND THE PEOPLE GETTING OUTTA THE HANDICAPPED CAR.
AND THERE ARE NO NEED FOR AS MANY SPACES HANDICAPPED.
CARS CAN BE LINED UP NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND A COUPLE RESERVED FOR PEOPLE WITH A RAMP.
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY COME OUTTA THE SIDE OF A CAR ANYMORE.
AS I GET OLDER AND THEY SEE ME WALKING AROUND, I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE TRY TO HELP ME.
'CAUSE IF I GIVE UP DOING IT MYSELF, I'LL JUST GO DOWN A DRAIN FASTER.
SO YOU'VE GOT A BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS BY YOU ARE USING ALL THE RULES, USE NEW ONES, AND IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO CHANGE TIME FOR CHANGE.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU MR. BODEN.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO ANYBODY ON ZOOM THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? RAISE YOUR HAND.
IN THAT CASE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE THE HEARING.
LEAVE THE PUBLIC RECORD OPEN TILL THE 12TH.
THIS WILL BE ON FOR DECISION AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JUNE 17TH.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING SPACES OF MR. BOWDEN, WE TOOK EXISTING NINE FOOT WIDE SPACES AND INSTEAD OF HAVING THE STANDARD EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FOOT, UH, STRIPE AND EIGHT FOOT, WE KEPT THEM AT NINE, NINE AND NINE.
SO THESE ARE LARGEST SPACES IN WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU HAVE.
UH, CASE PB 2318, UH, REGENERON TO THE RECORD.
SORRY, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THAT MIGHT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS TO THE RECORD, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD A VOTE BEFOREHAND.
SO YOU, BARBARA, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT? YES.
UH, CASE PB 23 DASH 18 REGENERON FIVE 50 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UH, PO COUNTY TOWN.
IT'S PART OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG
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PLA PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE KERMIT, AND PLANNING BOARD WETLANDS WATERCOURSE.I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAD SOME SUCCESS RECENTLY AT THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO, DANELLE AND WEINGART AND WISE AND WHITAKER ON BEHALF OF REGENERON THIS EVENING.
UM, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS APPLICATION.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE LOGISTICS BUILDING.
THIS IS A, UH, TOWN BOARD SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND WITH THIS BOARD WE ARE SEEKING, UM, STEEP SLOPES AND WETLAND PERMITS.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM A LITTLE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE US TO DO THAT.
WE PRESENTED THE ENTIRE APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE SITE PLANS, SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, UM, SITE PLANS, SLOPES PERMIT, AND WETLAND PERMIT, UM, FOR THE PROJECT, YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THAT SITE PLAN.
UH, WE RECEIVED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 8TH, ALONG WITH THAT TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND NOW WE'RE BACK BEFORE YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THE STEEP SLOPES AND WETLANDS PERMITS.
IF YOU'D LIKE US TO GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU AGAIN, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO SO.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THIS AT LEAST THREE TIMES JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU COULD DO IT JUST BRIEFLY, AND IF IT'S ANYTHING AT ALL HAS CHANGED SINCE GOING TO THE TOWN BOARD, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED AS WELL.
YEAH, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIVELY SINCE WE'VE BEEN TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, OR SINCE WE'VE BEEN BEFORE, SINCE WE WERE BEFORE YOU LAST AS WELL.
UM, SO WE DO A 30,000 FOOT, UH, DESCRIPTION OF JUST GENERAL.
MY, MY COLLEAGUE STEVE SPINO FROM JCS HERE THIS EVENING.
AND HE CAN FLIP THROUGH OUR POWERPOINT THAT WOULD FOR YOU AND JUST TO, SO, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE SUMMARY.
IT'S 136,000 SQUARE FOOT R AND D BUILDING.
UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THOSE TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS THAT YOU APPROVED AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
UH, I THINK IT'S 152 OF THOSE SPACES IS GOING TO REMAIN FROM THOSE TEMPORARY.
AND IT'S GOING TO, IN PART PROVIDE FOR THE 208 SPACES THAT ARE, UH, GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THE PROJECT COMPLIES IN ALL RESPECTS WITH THE ZONING CODE.
UM, AND, UH, THE SLOPES DISTURBANCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS REALLY, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH MANMADE SLOPES THAT WERE CREATED WHEN THE PARKING AREAS WERE CREATED, THE TEMPORARY PARKING AREAS.
AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE WETLAND PERMIT, WE ARE LOOKING TO MODIFY EXISTING BASINS TO CAP CAPTURE, UH, THE STORM WATER FROM THIS PROJECT.
SO STEVE CAN TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THOSE DETAILS.
BUT YOU'VE SEEN THIS I KNOW A NUMBER OF TIMES.
SO THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT WITH YOU.
WE'RE THE SITE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, AND I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
SO THESE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN NEXT.
UM, BUT SINCE WE LAST WERE HERE, JANET SORT OF TOUCHED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE.
SO THIS KIND OF HAS A LITTLE OUTLINE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE BEEN SINCE WE WERE HERE IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN MAYBE A FEW THINGS, BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT.
SO WE'VE HAD GOOD MEETINGS WITH THE TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND DOT, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO RESUBMIT TO DOT TO ADDRESS ALL THEIR COMMENTS WE HAD.
WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, WE VERBALLY TOLD THEM HOW WE WERE GOING TO RESPOND, AND WE SHOWED THEM DURING A VIRTUAL MEETING AND IT WENT REALLY WELL.
WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM THINGS LIKE THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WARRANT ANALYSIS FOR, FOR THING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD.
SO WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING THAT AND WE, WE WILL FEEL LIKE THAT WILL, UH, ADDRESS ALL THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL, UH, PHOTO.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA DOWN HERE.
THIS IS OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND ROUTE NINE A, UH, THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.
NOW WE HAVE THE LOOP ROAD SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, SO ZOOMING IN ON THAT RIGHT SIDE OF THAT AERIAL, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN.
AND I GUESS FOR PURPOSES OF, OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, I'LL FOCUS ON THE GREEN LINE, WHICH IS THE WETLAND BUFFER.
AND YOU COULD SEE THAT WE HAVE KEPT OURSELVES OUT OF THE WETLAND BUFFER WITH ANY PROPOSED, UH, SURFACES, IMPERVIOUS AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT WE DID DO, THOUGH, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME GRADING IN THERE.
THERE'S A STORMWATER POND THAT'S SORT OF THIS UPSIDE DOWN L SHAPE HERE.
UH, WE, THERE'S AN EXISTING POND ALREADY RIGHT HERE.
AND, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THAT POND.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME GRADING IN THE BUFFER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW TREES WE'RE PLANTING.
WE ARE RESTORING A LOT OF THE BUFFER, UH, WHICH IS, UM, CONTAINS A GOOD AMOUNT OF DEAD VEGETATION AND INVASIVE INVASIVE SPECIES THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF.
SO, UH, OVERALL THE PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE A, A MINIMAL IMPACT SINCE, UH, THIS AREA IS ALREADY A, A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT WE WERE GOING TO REMOVE AND BUILD THIS BUILDING ON TOP OF.
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TEMPORARY PARKING LOT JANET MENTIONED IS UP HERE.WE WILL BE REMOVING THAT AND RESTORING THAT BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, UH, NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY WITH TREES, UH, IN A MEADOW MIX.
UH, AND WE DO HAVE THIS DRIVEWAY DOWN TO THE CAMPUS HERE TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING, RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED AND EXPANDED, UH, PERIMETER ROADWAY AROUND THE CAMPUS.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SITE ACCESS DRIVEWAY HERE ONTO OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND I GUESS LASTLY, THIS KIND OF SOUTHERN AREA IS THE EXISTING REMAINS OF THE EXISTING, UH, PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT WE WERE GONNA KEEP IN ORDER TO MEET THE PARKING DEMANDS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS SHOWS THE STEEP SLOPES.
SO, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT MANY STEEP SLOPES ON THE SITE.
AND, AND WHERE THERE ARE, ARE BASICALLY THE, UH, OUR THREE FOOT, UM, THREE FOOT HORIZONTAL TO ONE FOOT VERTICAL TYPE OF SLOPES, LIKE A 30 DEGREE ANGLE THAT WE CREATED WHEN WE BUILT THIS TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.
THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY ON THE FRINGE OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE BANKS OF THE POND THAT'S EXISTING.
SO IN ORDER TO DO THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA DISTURB THAT.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, SOME STEEP SLOPES HERE, WHICH ARE BASICALLY THE RETAINING WALLS THAT WERE BUILT FOR THIS PARKING LOT THAT WOULD ALL COME OUT.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE IS NO NEW STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, EXISTING UNDISTURBED SLOPES.
IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, GRASS THAT WE RECENTLY MADE WHEN WE DID THE PARKING LOT.
UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THIS, THIS SHOWS, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE FOR STEEP SLOPES.
AND THEN WETLANDS, UH, WE HAVE THE ORANGE LINE IS THE BOUNDARY OF OUR DISTURBANCE, OUR CONSTRUCTION ZONE THAT RUNS AROUND THE PERIMETER HERE.
AND THEN THE BLUE IS WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE.
SO LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, UM, THE BUFFER KIND OF FOLLOWS THE ORANGE LINE.
WE TRY TO STAY OUT OF IT, BUT WE ARE IN IT EXPAND ON THIS STORM WATER POND.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT REGRADING, AND WE'RE FIGURING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME DISTURBANCE JUST TO BUILD THE RETAINING WALL AND THEN PUT THE SOIL BACK AT THE EDGE OF THE WALL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THAT.
UM, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S NO DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE WETLANDS THEMSELVES.
I, UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME, UH, NICE RENDERINGS THAT, UH, THE ARCHITECT PREPARED.
SO WE'RE ON, UH, THE, THE BRIDGE OVERPASS OF NINE A, UH, 100 C UH, LOOKING KIND OF SOUTH, UH, WESTERLY.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED BUILDING HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER, UH, THE NEW PARKING GARAGE REGENERON BUILT IN THE BACKGROUND HERE.
UH, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE ROUNDABOUT LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING HERE.
NOW WE'RE IN THE, UH, THE GAS STATION, SORT OF ACROSS THE STREET OR EAST OF THE SITE.
UH, WE HAVE OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS WHERE THE, THE DUNKING DONUTS IN THE GAS STATION ARE HERE.
AND THIS IS WITHIN THE MAIN ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY TO THE RIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
LOOKING AT THE BUILDING FROM THE ROADWAY, UH, YOU COULD SEE WE TRIED TO SCREEN IT, UH, AS BEST WE COULD.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME EXISTING TREES AND SOME NEW TREES ARE PLANTING ALONG THE PERIMETER AS WELL.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE KEY HERE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF WHERE THE, UH, THE ALMOST WHERE THE STORMWATER POND WOULD BE LOOKING BACK UP AT THE, UH, LOADING AREA.
AND YOU COULD SEE THAT WE HAVE A SCREEN WALL HERE IN ADDITION TO THE LANDSCAPING TO TRY TO BLOCK THAT VIEW OF THE, OF THE TRUCKS AND VEHICLES FROM THE ROADWAY.
AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE SOME WALTER, GO AHEAD.
UH, WE INDICATED THAT, UH, IF YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTH ON SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, PAST THE GAS STATION IS A TURN THAT YOU HAVE, YOU COULD MAKE TO GET INTO THE CIRCLE AND INTO REGENERON.
AND THERE WAS TALK OF HAVING SOME SORT OF, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING, WHETHER SIGNS OR TO SAY SLOW DOWN, THERE'S A CURVE OR SOMETHING THERE, BECAUSE I, FOR ONE, HAVE DROVE DOWN THERE WITH A BIG TRUCK BEHIND ME AND IT'S SORT OF TERRIFYING WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT TURN.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE THAT'S THE STATE ROAD, WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD PUT ANY SIGNS UP THERE OR NOT? WE, WE DID, WE DID SPEAK WITH THE DOT WHEN WE MET WITH THEM.
UM, GARRETT WAS AT THE MEETING AS AT THE MEETING AS WELL.
THEY INITIALLY WEREN'T TOO RESP RECEPTIVE OF IT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S KEEP IT AS AN OPEN ITEM TO TALK ABOUT.
SO, UM, IN OUR SUBMISSION BACK TO THEM, WE'RE GONNA MENTION IT IN THE COVER LETTER AND WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO EXPLORE IT, UH,
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FOR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY WEREN'T IN SUPPORT OF IT INITIALLY, BUT, UM, ONE OF THEM THAT, THAT WAS DISCUSSED, ONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR WHEN I WAS DRIVING THAT, WHERE THE TRUCK THEY HAD.BUT NEVERTHELESS, I'M GLAD THAT YOU STILL PURSUING THAT.
AND FOURTH THING, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION NOW, UH, IN PREPARING FOR THE, UM, THE PARKING LOT, YOU HAD THE STOCK PILE, SO OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEN THAT COMES, COMES A SLOPE.
MANMADE SLOPES IS STILL SLOPES AND ARE AND THAT'S STILL FAR, THAT FALLS UNDER THE STEEP SLOPE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU PUT THE, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED MUCH LIKE THE BASINS THAT THEY'RE CREATING YEAH.
IT'S PROBABLY REGULATORS, SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT IN IF, IF AND WHEN WE GET TO THIS EVER.
ANYBODY ELSE MR. WARD? HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CRAIG, GO AHEAD.
UH, FOLLOWING UP WHAT WALTER HAD A UH, UH, SORT OF A QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS A TALK ABOUT, UH, PUTTING SOME, UH, SORT OF SIGN NO LEFT TURN OR NO, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO WE, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE DOT.
UH, WE STRONGLY FEEL THAT LEFT TURNS SHOULD BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, WE DON'T THINK IT'S WARRANTED TO REMOVE THAT MOVEMENT FROM THE DRIVEWAY AND FORCE EVERYBODY TO GO.
UM, THERE'S GOOD SITE DISTANCE, THERE'S LOW SPEEDS THERE.
UM, THERE WAS NO ACCIDENT HISTORY.
SO ALL THESE FACTORS, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH JOHN CANNING, THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT HERE AT THE TOWN AND THE DOT, UH, NOBODY FELT THAT IT WAS WARRANTED TO REMOVE THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME SIGNAGE THOUGH, SOME WAY FINDING SIGNAGE.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS TO LEAVE THE SITE AND THEY KNOW THEY WANNA HEAD NORTHBOUND, WE PUT A SIGN.
IT'S ON THE, UH, APPROVED DRAWINGS THAT IS, UH, IT, IT INDICATES THAT THEY SHOULD TURN LEFT HERE IF THEY'RE GONNA GO NORTHBOUND, BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD GO TO THE ROUNDABOUT TURN RIGHT, GO ACROSS THE OVERPASS AND MAKE THE LEFT.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD HELP THAT.
WE WORKED WITH GARRETT AND JOHN CANNING ON THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME INTERNAL SIGNAGE TO DIRECT PEOPLE WHO WERE PARKED DOWN IN THIS PARKING LOT.
UH, TELL 'EM TO GO STRAIGHT AND DIRECT HIM DOWN THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAY TO THE, UH, NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WAS INSTALLED THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SIGN UP AT THIS INTERSECTION AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING TELLING ANYONE WHO PARKED HERE TO GO LEFT TO GO DOWN THE ROADWAY TO EXIT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN TERMS OF, UH, LIMITING THE, THE MOVEMENTS OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH JOHN CANNING AND, UH, AND GARRETT AND THE DOT ON.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE RESOLUTION THAT WE, WE ALL CAME UP WITH THAT WE FELT WAS A GOOD SOLUTION.
SO, SO, UH, OUR TOWN CONSULTANTS, UH, AGREES WITH UH, YES.
THE ALSO THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UH, ENTRANCE ON ACROSS THE THINGS, UH, FROM THE SAME ENTRANCE TO, AND THAT'S PARKING LOT ACTUALLY.
DO YOU MEAN YEAHS THE GAS STATION? THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I DOUBT A LOT OF PEOPLE COME OUT ON SUMMER RIVER RO YEAH, THEY GO ARMY, MOST OF THEM.
THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT, UH, SAFETY AND THE PEOPLE KIND OF, UH, TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN TO GO, UH, SOUTH AND THEN THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GO FROM OTHER SIDE.
TRYING TO DO THE LEFT TURN ALSO.
AND IF THE TOWN CONSULTANT HAS LOOKED AT IT AND HE'S OKAY WITH IT, I'M OKAY.
AND SO IS THE TOWN BOARD, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY, THAT ACTUALLY WAS SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SO THEY ALREADY APPROVED THAT.
IT'S NOT A JURISDICTION TONIGHT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT TOOK US SO LONG TO GET BACK TO YOU IS BECAUSE WE SPENT THE TIME AT THE TOWN BOARD WORKING WITH THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT, WITH AARON, WITH GARRETT, WITH THE DOT TRYING TO, TO RESOLVE ALL OF THESE ITEMS. SO, SO, SO, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY NOW, YOUR EXPLANATION.
SO YOU PRESENTED AND THEY LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS AND THE ACCIDENT DATA AND YES.
THAT THERE IS NO NEED FOR YES.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? OR IF IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING? PLEASE DON'T.
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YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT? YEAH.REMEMBER, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND WE ALL HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO TONIGHT.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WAITING IN THE AUDIENCE.
BUT WHEN THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE BEEN DOING IT WRONG FOR YEARS, THEN IT'S TIME TO SPEAK UP.
THERE ARE TWO SETS OF RULES ON THE MOSS ON SAW.
RIVER ROAD HAS SIGHTLINES THAT ARE LOUSY AND THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THEY PLAYED GAMES AND CAME IN FROM A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
AND THERE ARE NO, YOU COULD GO EITHER WAY WITHOUT ANY QUESTION.
AND THE SIGHT LINES ARE LOUSY.
AND THEN YOU COME IN WITH A SET.
DOT COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL YOU NEED THIS, THIS, AND THAT.
WHAT I CAME TO SAY ABOUT IS THE CURBS.
ALL OF THE CURBS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE SHOULD BE MOUNTABLE CURBS, NOT STRAIGHT CURBS.
WHY? BECAUSE WHEN I CAME HERE TONIGHT ON SEACO ROAD, THE TRUCK CAME AT ME OVER THE YELLOW LINE.
AND IF THERE WAS AMENABLE CURB, I COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUTTA THE WAY.
IN THE MEANTIME, HE MISSED ME BY ABOUT THAT MUCH.
TONIGHT, RIGHT HERE, SEACO ROAD, STANDARD PLANS ON PARKING AREAS HAD A CURB IN THE MIDDLE WITH PLANTINGS IN THERE.
SO YOU COULDN'T PULL THROUGH TO COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT HAS TO CHANGE EVERY PLACE.
YOU HAD TREES THERE WITH THIS WHATEVER IN THE MIDDLE.
AND SO YOU COULDN'T GO THROUGH EVERYWHERE.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED.
YOU WANNA PUT A TREE THERE, IT'S FINE, BUT IT'S SAFER AND EVERYBODY GOODWILL TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND NOT HAVE TO BACK OUT.
AND UH, YES, IT CAME OUT AT THE, UH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY LEGISLATORS WHERE THEY MONTH AGO THEY GAVE ME A HARD TIME 'CAUSE I WAS IN MY WHEELCHAIR THIS TIME.
I COMPLAINED ABOUT IT THIS TIME.
THEY CHANGED THE SYSTEM COMPLETELY.
THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY BOARD OF LEGISLATOR IS NOT THE SAME ONE THAT IT WAS TWO MONTHS AGO.
THEY UPGRADED AND THEY'RE THINKING, PEOPLE SPOKE TO ME THERE WHO HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO ME BEFORE.
THEY'VE CHANGED AND THEY'RE GONNA DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THEY WERE DOING THINGS ON THEIR SYSTEM THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.
I HAD TO USE A LEGISLATOR'S MICROPHONE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT, COULD GET UP TO THE ONE UP ON TOP.
AND THEN AFTERWARD, PEOPLE SPOKE.
THE CHAIRMAN NEVER SPOKE TO ME BEFORE WE HAD A CONVERSATION.
SO AM I WRONG? THE BOARD CHANGED IN A POSITIVE WAY AND I COMPLIMENTED THEM ON THE WAY THEY CHANGED AND THEY RECOGNIZED THEY'D BEEN DOING THINGS THE SAME FOR TOO LONG.
STEP BY STEP, WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
MURRAY, I SEE THAT COMING TO THE PLANNING BOARD IS GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
YOU'RE ONLY USING A CANE TODAY.
I FELL DOWN SIX MONTHS AGO IN JANUARY, AND I INJURED, INJURE MY RIGHT HIP.
AND I CAN'T DO WHAT I USED TO DO.
SIX MONTHS LATER IF YOU AND MY ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR'S IN A CAR.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE WANNA SPEAK? ANYBODY ON ZOOM WANNA SPEAK? NO.
NO? OKAY, THEN, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL THE 12TH.
TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? SO WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION ON THE 17TH.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
WALTER, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION IN A COUPLE MINUTES.
IS IT GONNA BE OKAY BY THEN? I THINK SO.
UH, AND WE'RE GONNA, UH, TALK ABOUT TWO CASES NOW.
THEY'RE BOTH INITIAL CONFERENCES.
NEITHER ONE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AS OF YET.
SO THIS IS FOR THEM JUST TO GET, UH, FOR US TO JUST GET AN IDEA AND THEN GET SOME PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK BEFORE THEY FILED THE APPLICATION.
THE FIRST CASE IS PB 24 12 MARASH, UH, 36 CROSS HILL ROAD.
IT WOULD BE IF THEY WERE APPLYING TONIGHT A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I'M SHAHEEN BED TO WILSON PLACE.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION BEFORE I START ON THE AGENDA, UH, WHICH IS THAT IT, IT REFERENCES A SUBDIVISION OF THREE
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LOTS INTO FIVE LOTS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A SUBDIVISION OF TWO LOTS INTO FOUR LOTS.SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MY QUESTIONS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT MY, OKAY.
ALSO, CROSS IS ONE WORD JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
ON YOUR COVER PAGE TO HAVE AN OUTLINE OF A BUILDING.
BUT IN YOUR SUBSEQUENT CHECK, UH, INFORMATION, THE OUTLINE OF THE BUILDING IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ON THE COVER PAGE.
I I'LL DEFINITELY CONFIRM THAT.
WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH YOUR GENERAL PUBLIC PUBLICATION.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP THESE GUYS AT BAY.
IT'S TOUGH TO DO, BUT I'LL JUST TRY TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL BE ASKING YOU SOME QUESTIONS TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK.
SO TAKE US THROUGH, THROUGH YOUR PROPOSAL PLEASE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE AND DEVELOP THE LOTS KNOWN AS 36 CROSS HILL ROAD.
IT CONSISTS OF LOTS, NUMBER FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
NUMBER SEVEN IS AN AREA OF 21,000.
YOU GONNA SHARE YOUR SCREEN OR WELL, HOW, HOW WOULD I, DO YOU WANT LOCK INTO ZOOM? YEAH, YOU CAN SHARE IT THROUGH THE ZOOM.
I'LL GET INTO THE ZOOM RIGHT NOW.
AND IF YOU COULD FLIP TO PAGE TWO, PLEASE.
OR PERHAPS WE COULD, UH, START ON SHEET ONE.
THAT WAY WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UPPER RIGHT ONE ISN'T THE RIGHT.
SO THIS IS, IS THAT, IS THAT LOT EIGHT UNIMPROVED? CORRECT.
SO THAT TOP RIGHT THERE IS LOT EIGHT.
WHERE IT'S IS THAT UNIMPROVED? IT'S UH, IT'S UN UNIMPROVED UN OKAY.
SO POTENTIALLY THEY COULD WANT TO FEED OFF THE CUL-DE-SAC SOMEDAY.
SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO, COULD BE.
THERE'S NOT, BUT THE CUL-DE-SAC IS CUTTING INTO A CORNER OF THEIR PROPERTY.
IT, IT, IT TOUCHES THEIR PROPERTY, UH, ON THE TOP RIGHT THERE OF CLOVER CLOTHES.
IT DOESN'T CUT INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
THAT WAS A SEPARATE LOT CREATED PREVIOUSLY UNDER A PRIOR SUBDIVISION.
BUT WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT APPLY THICKEN.
SO I'M JUST GONNA START BACK UP JUST ON THIS LITTLE DESCRIPTION.
SO LOT SEVEN IS AN AREA OF 21,238 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S THE LOT AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT DISPLAYED THERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE, FAMILY DWELLING ON THE LOT THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY ZONING COMPLIANT.
AND, AND UH, SO, SO THAT'S A PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
IT'LL, IT'LL FEED OFF OF CLOVER CLOSE, BUT IT ALSO HAS FRONTAGE ON CROSS HILL ROAD LOT.
NUMBER FIVE IS THE IMPROVED LOT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 68,897 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT HAS A ONE FAMILY DWELLING TO THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
IT'LL, IT'S ALSO, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS, UH, JUST ADJACENT TO THE SUNNINGDALE COUNTRY CLUB.
UM, UH, SO, SO THE EXISTING ONE FAMILY DWELLING, THERE'S NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO IT.
NO CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED TO IT.
IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED AND THE SUBDIVISION WOULD MAKE THE LOT BASICALLY ZONING COMPLIANT EXCEPT FOR THE STREET FRONTAGE.
SO ALL OF THE SETBACKS, THE COVERAGE, EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE LOT WOULD BE COMPLIANT IN THE PROPOSAL.
HOWEVER, THE STREET FRONTAGE WOULD NOT AS WELL AS LOT NUMBER FIVE A, WHICH IS JUST BELOW IT.
THE STREET FRONTAGE WOULD BE NON-COMPLIANT.
UH, FOR LOT NUMBER FIVE A, WE'D PROPOSE A FRONTAGE OF 53.58 FEET, WHEREAS THE EXISTING IMPROVED LOT WOULD HAVE A STREET FRONTAGE OF 109.78 FEET.
UH, AND I'LL JUST REMIND THE BOARD, IT'S 120 FOOT REQUIREMENT IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, ALL OF THE LOTS MEET THE LOT AREA REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS, ET CETERA.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL LOT JUST TO, UH, TO REFERENCE IS THE, THE ACTUAL CLOVER CLOSE LOT, WHICH IS LOT NUMBER SEVEN.
UH, AND I'M SORRY, LOT NUMBER SIX.
AND THERE'S NO WORK EXCEPT THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF AS WELL AS INSTALLATION OF STORM WATER, UH, TO CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT'S ON THAT SITE.
AND SO HOW WIDE IS THAT? IT LOOKS VERY WIDE ON THE DRAWING.
I'M JUST GONNA PULL IT UP SO I CAN, CAN SAY THE CORRECT DIMENSION.
THE, THE RADIUS OF THE CUL-DE-SAC ITSELF IS, UM, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSION HERE.
I CAN PULL UP THE DRAWING JUST TO CLEAR.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE DRIVEWAYS WERE 12 AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, I BELIEVE THREE 12, I BELIEVE IT'S AN 80 FOOT RADIUS AND A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S REQUIRED GENERALLY BY, UH, FIRE CODE? DO
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WE KNOW? SO THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE MOST RECENT ITERATION REQUIRES A 96 FOOT DIAMETER, DIAMETER, NOT RADIUS.UH, THIS IS 160 FOOT DIAMETER.
I'M SORRY, MISS SPOKE 80 FOOT DIAMETER.
I DON'T, IT, IT'S, IT'S 80 FOOT DIAMETER, NOT RADIUS DOWN CODE.
I, I JUST WANTED TO REFERENCE THAT.
AS THE SUBDIVISION IS PROPOSED NOW, THERE WOULD ONLY BE FOUR HOUSES ON IT.
SO, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE MAINTAINED AS A DRIVEWAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FIRE CODE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE INCREASED UNLESS THE BOARD SEES IT FIT.
IT'S ALSO, WE ALSO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE LOCAL FIRE DISTRICT.
AS FAR AS, AS PART OF ANY FORMAL SUBMISSION.
SO WE COULD ARRANGE TO MAYBE MEET WITH THEM AT THE TIME.
MY QUESTION'S MORE, SORRY, MORE ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF.
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE THAN 36 FEET WIDE.
IF YOU ADD, YOU KNOW, THREE DRIVEWAY WIDTHS VISUALLY MORE THAN THAT FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS UP TO THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO, SO THIS HERE, CLOVER CLOSE, WHICH COULD BE 50 FEET IN WIDTH, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD WANT TO PROPOSE A 50 FOOT PAVED.
VERSUS SOMETHING LESS, PLEASE.
I'M THE, A LOT OF FAVOR OF 50 FOOT WIDE SHARED DRIVEWAY.
WHAT, WHAT EXISTS THERE NOW? HOW WIDE IS THE PAVED ROAD GOING UP TO THAT HOUSE? IT'S BASICALLY A DRIVEWAY'S, A SKINNY DRIVEWAY.
IT'S A, IT'S A DRIVEWAY WIDTH.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACTLY, MAYBE YEAH, IT WAS JUST, JUST A, A DRIVEWAY UP TO, IT'S REALLY JUST A DRIVEWAY TO THE HOUSE.
AND, WELL, I DON'T, THAT'S PRETTY.
I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AT WHY, VISUALLY IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR DRIVEWAY IS WIDE ENOUGH.
SO CAN YOU GO AND SPECIFICALLY SHOW ME WHERE YOUR FRONTAGE IS? NOT WIDE FOR, UH, WHAT, TWO LOTS AT 'EM, BUT IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FROM THE OTHER, BUT VISUALLY ABSOLUTELY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE OTHER TWO HAVE FRONTAGE ON CROSS HILL ROAD.
I, I COULD STEP UP TO THE TV AND JUST POINT THEY ALL HAVE FRONTAGE ON.
SO RIGHT HERE IS ONE OF THE FRONTAGES, A 53 FOOT FRONTAGE.
AND THEN HERE IS THE OTHER FRONTAGE FOR THE HOUSE, WHICH IS A HUNDRED AND CHANGE.
WHAT ABOUT THE TWO IN FRONTAGE? BECAUSE YOU HAVE FURNITURE ACROSS THE ROAD THOUGH.
SO IT'S ONLY ONE THAT NEEDS THE VARIANCE.
SO IT'S, AND AND WHAT'S THE FRONTAGE ON THAT ONE? IF FROM, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S, THAT IS SHORT FRONTAGE.
IT'S THE ONE, THIS ONE HERE, ONE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I, I'D PREFER TO CALL IT LOT WIDTH, LOT WIDTH FRONTAGE BECAUSE YOU ONLY NEED 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON A ROAD.
WHERE WAS IT TAKEN FROM? 'CAUSE THE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT FROM THE MIDDLE.
YOU TAKE IT FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
YOU DON'T TAKE IT FROM THE, FROM THE, THE FRONT.
YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE OR THE FRONT SETBACK LINE.
I THOUGHT YOU COULD TAKE IT FROM, FROM THE FRONT SETBACK LINE.
WHAT'S THE SETBACK THERE ON THAT? ON AND THAT SIDE.
IS THAT WHERE YOU TOOK IT FROM THE SETBACK? 'CAUSE THAT GIVES YOU MORE ROOM AND YOU'RE STILL SHORT.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION, SO THE, THE OTHER LOT FRONTAGES PROPOSED ARE 197.51 FEET AND 260.81 FEET.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, THEY WRAP AROUND.
SO YOU JUST NEED THE ONE, THEY NEED THE ONE VARIANCE.
THAT CLARIFIES BECAUSE I JOINED BACK AND FORTH, JUST THE ONE VARIANCE.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR TWO LOTS.
WHAT'S THE OTHER, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? NEEDS THE EXISTING HOUSE? THE EXISTING HOME? NO, IT DOESN'T.
I THOUGHT THE EXISTING, IT'S 109.
THE EXISTING HOUSE, ONCE WE'RE DONE, WE'LL HAVE 109 AND CHANGE WHERE 120 WILL BE REQUIRED.
AND THEN, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RELEVANT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO JUST BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE FACT, OR I'M SORRY IF I CUT YOU OFF ON A QUESTION.
SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PLAN HERE.
AND, UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS IS ON 28,715 FEET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHEN I ADD IT ALL UP, THOSE FOUR HOUSES, I GET 90,135.
EXCEPT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ROADWAY.
SO THE ROADWAY MUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE 10 OR 15, EXCUSE ME, 10 OR 15,000 FEET.
NO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT
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VALUE.I COULD DEFINITELY PRODUCE THAT.
WELL, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF REPORT.
THE STAFF REPORT AND IT SAYS THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 90,000 135 SQUARE FEET.
NOW WE KNOW THAT THESE FOUR HOUSES HAVE 90,000 135 SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ROADWAY.
SO WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? THE BALANCE OF THE AREA FOR THE ROADWAY? YEAH.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IT OFFHAND, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY COMPUTE IT AND SUBMIT THAT TO THE POINT IS, WELL, MY QUESTION IS, AARON, IS THIS THING WRONG HERE? HE, HE'S, I WILL ASK HIM.
MAYBE YOU COULD DO IT IN SPANISH.
THOUGHT MY ENGLISH WAS PERFECT.
UM, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS, THE ENTIRE LOT AS IT IS TODAY IS 90,135 SQUARE FEET.
AND IF YOU TAKE THE FOUR, THE IMPROVED LOTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THE TOTAL IS 90,135 SQUARE FEET.
BUT IT DOES, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ROADWAY IN THE MIDDLE, IT DOES NOT.
THEN HOW, WHERE DO THE EXTRA 10TH? 20.
SO TO CLARIFY THIS, SO FOR THE, UM, FOR BLURB FOR THE, UH, AGENDA AND FOR THE STAFF REPORT, WE ADDED THE TOTAL AREA OF THE LOT WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE UNIMPROVED LOT, UH, TO THE, ON TO THE, UH, PLAN RIGHT OF CLOVER CLOSE.
WE ONLY INCLUDED THOSE TWO LOTS, UH, WHICH ARE THE ONLY LAWS PROPOSED TO BE IMPROVED WITH HOUSES.
WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE AREA OF CLOVER CLOTHES AS THAT WOULD ONLY BE IMPROVED WITH THE ROADWAY.
UH, AND THEREFORE WOULDN'T HAVE, IT'S CONFUSING WHAT SIZE FOR A HOUSE NECESSARY.
SO WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE CALCULATIONS.
I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THEN.
SO, SO THAT MEANS THAT THAT MEANS THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF A LOT MORE THAN 90 THAN 90,000, 135 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE DRIVEWAY.
YOU GOTTA INCLUDE THAT IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
YOU ALSO, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PROPERTY, YOU ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE THAT AS A SUBDIVISION.
IF THAT'S GONNA BE OWNED BY THE HOA.
YEAH, IT'S GOTTA BE A SEPARATE LOT.
IT, THE IT IS A, A SEPARATE LOT.
AND IT IS INCLUDED AS A PART OF OUR APPLICATION AS A SEPARATE LOT.
OWNED BY THE H IT BE OWNED BY THE HOA, UH, UH.
THAT WASN'T CLEAR ON THE MATERIALS WE HAVE.
WE COULD DEFINITELY, UH, CLARIFY THE NARRATIVE.
I THINK THE, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL.
I THINK THE MATERIAL'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE, THE TOTAL PART OF, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THAT SHOULD BE THE TOTAL WE START WITH AND THEN DIVIDE IT UP WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES, THE IMPROVED LOT, THE EXISTING LOT WHERE IT COMES OUT, THE IMPROVED LOTS.
AND, AND AS A SEPARATE LOT AS YOU SAID, THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING WELL, THE ROAD YEAH.
SO AS PART OF ANY FORMAL, WE'LL CLARIFY EVERYTHING FOR THE BOARD.
BUT, BUT IN A SENSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THE VARIANCES AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IT, BUT JUST FOR, FOR PAPERWORK, THE PAPERWORK FOR PAPERWORK, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE WHOLE THING.
WE'RE DIVIDING UP OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET THOUSAND.
I PROVIDE A NARRATIVE THAT, UH, CLEARLY DESCRIBES THE AREA YOU DO THE APPLICATION WITH THEM.
LOOK, THAT I, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT WHILE I HAVE A WANNA MAKE A BRIEF LOOK.
I, I UNDERSTAND MAYBE YOU NEED A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY TO FOR TOWN CODE.
UM, AND MAYBE YOU NEED THIS 80 FOOT, YOU KNOW, UM, DIAMETER TO MEET THE FIRE.
YOU SHOULD AND WE'LL HELP YOU.
YOU SHOULD PUT AS A NARROW, NARROW A ROAD AS YOU CAN IN THERE.
YOU SHOULD MAKE THIS CUL-DE-SAC.
YOU KNOW THIS AS SMALL A DIAMETER AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE.
WE'LL HAVE A KENAI FOR CONSERVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE AREA.
PLEASE, IF THAT HAPPENED, YOU MAY END UP WITH, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND TO TOO, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'D GO BACK TO THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
YOU HAVE TO LINES VERY SHOULD BE SHOULD DECREASE.
WELL, WON'T, WON'T NOT THE FRONTAGE.
REMEMBER THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PROPERTY.
BUT YOU CAN ADD LAND BACK TO EACH PROPERTY.
WELL, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INCLUDED REALLY AS THE PROPERTY.
IT WOULD NOT, BUT THEY CAN ENCROACH ON IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT FROM AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE POINT OF VIEW IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
FROM IMPERVIOUS SERVICE, PLEASE.
AND YOU PREFER TO MINIMIZE THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE WHERE POSSIBLE.
PLEASE NEED DO COMPLETE CUL-DE-SAC.
BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A HAMMERHEAD DETER, YOU KNOW.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT SHORT ENOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT IS.
IS THAT, IS THAT A HEART SALE? IT'S GOTTA BE HARD STILL.
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TURN AROUND.SO DID PARTICULARLY IF THEY A DECENT DRIVEWAY.
AND THEY HAVE ENOUGH WIDTH OF THAT THING.
THEY SHOULD BE, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL DISCUSS WITH THEM.
BUT THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE AN ADVANTAGE TO YOU TOO.
SO WE LIKE TO TRY TO CONSERVE AS MUCH, UH, PERMEABLE SURFACE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
I, I THINK THAT'S OUR INTENT AS WELL, PLEASE.
AND, AND SO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A A, A MINIMUM WIDTH THAT YOU HAVE A, A THOUGHT PROCESS ON OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS ENOUGH FOR AT LEAST TWO CARS TO PASS, WHICH WOULD BE AT LEAST 20, AT LEAST 26 FEET.
YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DONATE IT TO THE TOWN, MAKE IT A TOWN ROAD.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE A BUSY ROAD.
YOU GOT FOUR HOUSES ON IF I POTENTIALLY, PROBABLY WE'VE GIVEN THE SIZE OF THEM NO MORE THAN 30 CARS.
I, I, I DID WANNA REFERENCE ONE OTHER POINT JUST FOR THE APPLICATION.
AND FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE, UH, THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION MAP OF UH, HARTSDALE ACRES, UH, DATED IN 1933 DOES SHOW THESE AS SEPARATED LOTS EXACTLY THE WAY THAT WE'RE DEPICTING THEM TODAY, UH, IN OUR APPLICATION.
SO IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ZONING LAW THAT EXISTS TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT FOR THE BOARDS.
THOSE WEREN'T ACTUALLY, THOSE ACTUALLY AT LEAST IF IT'S THE, THE MAP I'M THINKING OF.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE OLDER THAN THAT.
ALL OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY WAS DIVIDED BACK IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
THOSE LOTS WERE FINANCIAL LOTS.
THEY WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE SOME DIVISIONS.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TWO AND 30, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS 19.
DID, WELL THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS REFERENCING THE, THE SUBDIVISION OF HARTSDALE ACRES.
AND, AND IT WAS THIS BEFORE THE SUB SUBDIVISION WAS OBVIOUSLY THE NEW, THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION WAS.
AND IT SHOWED CLOVER CLOSE AND THE LOTS AROUND CL CLOSE, WHICH JUST NEVER DEVELOPED.
A COUPLE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND SURE.
I DO AS WELL BEFORE, NO, GO AHEAD.
I MAY TAKE, UM, I LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THIS, UM, LOCATION THAT I WALK BY THERE.
AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF AT A LOW POINT ON SLOPES THERE AND WATER CAN TEND TO ACCUMULATE THERE.
I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS ONLY SEPTIC AND NOT SEWER.
WHICH RAISES ANOTHER QUESTION IF IT'S ALREADY WET.
'CAUSE I'M A BIT FAR AWAY AND UP THE HILL, BUT STILL WE HAVE A VERY HIGH WATER TABLE AND HIGH FOUR SUMP PUMPS.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED, OR I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE, UH, STORM WATER RUNOFF AND I THINK SOME TEST PITS WOULD NEED TO BE DUG OF COURSE TO SUPPORT WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOUR PLAN IS.
AND, UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA PERFORM SOIL TESTING ON THE, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE AREA BOTH FOR SEPTIC BUT ALSO FOR STORMWATER.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT MAYBE WORKING IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WAY WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE PROPOSE IS FEASIBLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SITE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE YOU ANSWER.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT, UM, THE NATURE OF THE LOT.
UM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, A ROUGH NUMBER OF TREES COMING OUT? IS IT 50? IS IT 500, UH, IT'S, IT'S MUCH LESS THAN, UH, FIRST PROBABLY CLOSE THE 50 NUMBER.
MY NAME IS NICK MARCOLA REPRESENTING MARASH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
WE ANTICIPATE THE SAME NUMBER OF TREES WILL BE TAKING OUT TO BE, UM, REPLANTING AS WELL.
THE NUMBER PROB IS GONNA BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 50 OR SO.
AND THERE IS A TREE ORDINANCE THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW AND UM, AARON WOULD BE A GOOD PERSON CONTACT.
THE WHOLE VALUE OF THE WHOLE LOT IS THE TREES AND, OKAY.
AND, AND I THINK IF YOU COME BACK WITH A, SOME SORT OF A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPING PLAN WOULD BE GOOD.
AS PART OF THE FORMAL SUBMISSION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A TREE SURVEY COMPLETED AND THEN OBVIOUSLY A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL.
ALSO, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S HELPFUL IF YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF VISION OF WHAT THE HOUSE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING HOUSES.
OUR IDEA IS TO KEEP THE CHARACTER THE SAME, THE EXISTING HOUSES.
THERE'S ONLY ONCE IN STORIES WE ANTICIPATE TO HAVE TWO STORIES.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE HOUSES ON THEN THE BLOCKER.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, KEEP PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT'S ON, ON CROSS HILL ROAD.
HOW, HOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ARE YOU THINKING OF? UM, GIVE OR TAKE PROBABLY AROUND 3000.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUST, I'M CURIOUS THIS FROM A BOARD STANDARD, DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF POLICIES OR, OR, UM, ARE WE OPPOSED TO PLANTED TO CENTER FOR A ROLE? THIS SHOW NOW WE'VE DONE IT DEPENDS WHAT, WHAT WE DO.
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IT ALL DEPENDS WHERE THEY END UP WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC.AFTER WE, AFTER THE DAY WE DESIGN IT, THEY'LL WORK WITH AARON ON THAT.
DIDN'T WE HEAR FROM SOME, IN SOME PROJECTS RECENTLY FIRE? THE FIRE DISTRICT DIDN'T LIKE IT.
SO CERTAIN FIRE DISTRICTS HAVE DIFF THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THE CENTER.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO, UM, OFFER TO DEDICATE THE ROAD, IF IT WAS BUILT OUT THE TOWN, STANDARD TOWN DPW DOES NOT HAVE INTEREST IN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN, THEY DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN THE ISLAND.
SO THEY WOULD PREFER IT IN THAT CASE TO REMAIN PRIVATE.
I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS GO WORK WITH AARON, KIND OF RETHINK THE, THE DRIVEWAY DESIGN PER WHAT OUR DISCUSSION.
AND THAT MAY JUST MAKE THAT GO AWAY.
'CAUSE THIS, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL, UM, THE, A ACTUAL CUL-DE-SAC MAY CHANGE IT.
BUT THE ONE THING YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WITH THAT THOUGH, OBVIOUSLY IS YOU MAY END UP WITH MORE VARIANCES.
UH, IT, IT WAS OUR INTENT TO PROVIDE, UH, THE ROAD THAT, THAT THIS, THE TOWN FELT WAS BEST FIT.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THAT.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK DIRECTLY WITH, UH, AARON AND, AND WHOEVER.
TARA, I'D BE HAPPY IF MY ROAD WAS HALF 50.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, OUR OFFICE CAN POINT ABOUT THE WATER.
OUR OFFICE CAN COORDINATE A MEETING WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT CHIEF.
AND AS WALTER MENTIONED, I WOULD ALSO GO THROUGH AARON TO WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
ON THE THING, YOU KNOW, I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT ANY MORE SEPTIC IN.
IT'S, IT'S SAD THAT WE'RE STILL PUTTING SEPTIC TANKS IN AT THIS DAY AND AGE.
PARTICULARLY THAT WHEN YOU HAVE, AS TOM SAID, A HIGH WATER TABLE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FRIGHTENING.
SO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S REAL GOOD AT THAT, AT HELPING ON THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND TELL YOU WHAT, HOW FEASIBLE IT'S GONNA BE.
WELL, WE'LL GET SOIL TESTING DONE IMMEDIATELY TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE IT AS WELL AS COUNTY HEALTH.
THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA DOES.
WE INVESTIGATED THE SEWER LINE.
THE RESIDENTS WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY FOR IT.
THE ENGINEERING OF IT, THE INSTALLATION OF IT, AND THEN PAID TO HOOK UP TO IT.
IT WAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ZERO INTEREST TO CONTINUE.
WE ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO THAT AND THE CLOSEST ONE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT IT, UM, THIS NEW YORK RECORD AQUEDUCT THAT OWNS THE LAND.
AND WE DID APPLY AND WORKED WITH THEM FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO SEE, TO GET THE EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO CROSS INTO THE PUBLIC SEWER.
AND THEY TURNED US DOWN AND THEY SAID PRETTY MUCH WE'LL CONTAMINATING OUR MINES.
ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WATER HAS A WATER HOOKUP IN TERMS OF WATER PRESSURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT TESTING YET, BUT WE'LL ALSO PROCURE THAT AS WELL.
YOU'RE PROBABLY NEED A SLOW TEST.
PROBABLY GONNA NEED A HYDRANT AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY TOO.
ONE, ONE WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'LL BE A FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT JUST BASED OFF THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET.
YOU GUYS GOTTA GO BACK AND WORK WITH AARON.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY THINGS THAT, THINGS YOU NEED TO DO.
WE'D BE LOOKING FOR IF YOU COME BACK FORMALLY.
AND AARON WILL WORK WITH YOU AND WHEN YOU, IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO FILE, YOU KNOW, HE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICATION HE AND STAFF MATT AND, AND GARRETT WILL WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THE THING'S READY FOR US TO SEE AND THEN, THEN COME BACK TO US WITH AN APPLICATION.
THAT WOULD BE BE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
AND SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SET A DATE TONIGHT 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE.
BUT ANYONE ONE WILL ADVISE US.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY.
SEE I THINK THE ORIGINAL THING WAS 19, I GUESS.
IT WAS THOSE LITTLE 1500 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE ALL THESE TAX LOTS IN THE TOWN.
SOMEONE YEARS AGO TRIED TO DO TO PAWN THEM OFF AS SUB AS A SUBDIVISION MAP AND WE STOPPED.
THAT'S HOW I GOT INVOLVED IN THE STUFF IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATING, UM, GOOD EVENING.
THE FAR THREE PART OF YOUR JOB.
UH, DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOMEONE DOING THAT? WHO LEFT? WE DID.
HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO DO ALL THESE THINGS BY YOURSELF? I HEARD, I HEARD AMANDA VOLUNTEERED CARE FOR EXTRA WORK.
I'M SURE SHE HAS NOT
I'M VERY SERIOUS THAT IT'S GOTTA BE TOUGH ON MATT.
I ASSUME WE, IF THE JOB IS TO GO OUT AND, AND DO ALL THESE THREE EVALUATIONS AND EVERYTHING, IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND NO ONE, UH, HE DOES, UH, AARON DOES NOT HAVE AN ASSISTANT THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING EVALUATION OF THESE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE EFFICIENTLY DONE IF THAT WHOLE JOB FALLS ON AARON? I WOULD SUS WOULD SUSPECT THAT OUR UH, COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS NOT, UH, AS PRIVY TO THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD SUSPECT AND WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
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YES.AND, AND WE DO HAVE A JOB, JOB POSTINGS OUT.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE, COUPLE OF RESUMES.
OH KNOW, WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME MORE.
IN THE INTERIM, IN THE INTERIM YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GUY
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE LISTING IS POSTED, UH, APPROPRIATELY.
WE CAN TALK AFTERWARDS, PLEASE.
UH, TACO BELL, 57 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH, WHICH IS, UH, PO HARTSDALE JUST ABOVE, UH, UH, HARTSDALE FLOOR CORNERS THERE.
SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THIS IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
GOOD TO BE BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
DAVID STEINITZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZA AND STEINITZ REPRESENTING AV AND SAMIR PATEL AND THEIR PROPOSED TACO BELL.
UM, ON SCREEN, AARON SHOULD BE PAUL DUMONT FROM JMC.
AND, UM, POSSIBLY OV PATEL MAY BE HONEST.
UM, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, WE'RE HERE PURE, UH, THIS IS A PRE-SUBMISSION FORMAT.
WE HAVE NO APPLICATION PENDING.
UM, WE ARE IN A, UH, KIND OF A DESIGN PHASE AND WE WANTED TO, UH, PRESENT TO YOUR BOARD THE FACT THAT, UH, OUR CLIENTS, UH, HAVE FOUND A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, WHAT YOU ALL KNOW AS THE FORMER HONEY BAKED HAM LOCATION ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND OUR CLIENTS ARE, UH, EXTREMELY INTERESTED IN BRINGING A TACO BELL TO THIS PROPERTY.
THE SITE IS, AS PAUL WILL WALK THROUGH IN A MOMENT, WE KNOW IT'S A SMALLER SITE.
UM, IT, IT'S TIGHT AND IT HAS SOME CHALLENGES.
AND THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO TAKE DOWN THE BUILDING IN ITS ENTIRETY.
UM, AS A RESULT OF DOING THAT, WE CAN RE RECONFIGURE A, THE LOCATION OF THE PHYSICAL BUILDING.
B, THE CIRCULATION AROUND THE BUILDING, AND C, THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING.
WE CANNOT, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, GIVE YOU A ENTIRELY ZONING COMPLIANT, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, IT WOULDN'T BE WITH REGARD TO PARKING AND WE DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE.
WHY? BECAUSE TACO BELL, AS I HAVE COME TO LEARN IN WORKING WITH THE PATELS NOW ON SEVERAL TACO BELL LOCATIONS, IS SUBSTANTIALLY A DRIVE-THROUGH LOCATION.
UM, MOST OF THE PATRONS, NOT ALL, BUT A LARGE NUMBER OF PATRONS FOR TACO BELL DO TEND TO USE THE DRIVE UP WINDOW.
SO A LOT OF THE FOCUS OF THE DESIGN HERE HAS BEEN TO MAKE THE SITE WORK FOR THE DRIVE UP WINDOW AND STILL HAVE PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR THOSE PATRONS WHO WANT TO EAT THERE.
BEFORE WE EVEN CAME TO YOU, UM, AT THE, UH, SUGGESTION OF YOUR STAFF, WE MET WITH STAFF AND WE ALSO MET WITH, UM, JOHN CANNING YOUR OUTSIDE, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
SO PAUL HAS DONE A FAIR AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING, UM, DESIGN WORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK FROM A, UH, FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF MAKING TURNS IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE, UM, AND CONTROLLING IT PROPERLY, AS WELL AS HOW TO PARK IT AND HOW TO CUE THE, UM, THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
SO WHAT I THINK THE MOST PRUDENT THING WOULD BE IN A MOMENT FOR PAUL TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT, BUT ONE OTHER VERY SALIENT DETAIL.
THE PATELS OWN AND OPERATE SEVERAL TACO BELLS.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TACO BELL, UH, AND THINKS IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING IN GREENBURG.
UH, BUT THEY, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE OPERATED THIS, THEY HAVE EMPIRICAL DATA FROM SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS.
WE'VE SHARED SOME OF THAT WITH MR. CANNING AND WITH YOUR STAFF.
AND I WILL TELL YOU AT THE OUTSET, UM, THAT I WOULD BE PREPARED TO RECOMMEND SOME KIND OF CONDITION THAT WOULD BE PLACED IN THE APPROVAL AND POSSIBLY ON THE CO.
SO THAT IF THIS FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WERE TO CHANGE HANDS AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD MAKE IT ENTIRELY CLEAR TO ANY SUBSEQUENT PURCHASER OR TENANT THAT THEY MUST COME BACK, UM, TO THE TOWN FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
DAVE, LEMME JUST ASK JOE, IS THAT POSSIBLE? 'CAUSE I KNOW GENERALLY SPECIAL PERMITS GO WITH THE PROPERTY.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A CONDITION LIKE THAT IN? YEAH, I BELIEVE IT IS THEN.
SO AS LONG AS WE, IF YOU TRY TO DO THAT TO US, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO THAT LAWFULLY RIGHT, WITH PERMISSION.
SO I'M TELLING YOU ON DAY ONE THAT I'M PREPARED TO AGREE TO THAT, TO, TO AGREE TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT BE, BECAUSE MY FAST FOOD USE IS SO DRIVE THROUGH INTENSE COMPARED TO OTHERS, I ACTUALLY THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO ANALYZE IT IN THAT FASHION AND THEREFORE RESTRICT IT.
SO WITH THAT AS KIND OF A BACKGROUND OPENING, UM, PAUL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING, UM, ON THE ZOOM AND IF YOU CAN SHARE SCREEN AND WALK THE BOARD THROUGH, UH, YOUR DESIGN CONCEPT.
PAUL, JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AGAIN.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, PAUL DUMONT WITH JMC.
UM, I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M, UH, NOT ABLE TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU IN PERSON TONIGHT.
I'M, UH, FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER AND STILL NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, SO I APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY TO APPEAR
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OVER ZOOM.UH, JUST GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
UH, CAN EVERYONE SEE THE SCREEN? YES, YES.
UH, SO JUST TO ORIENT EVERYBODY, UH, HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, HUGH, AS YOU NOTED, UH, JUST NORTH OF FOUR CORNERS HERE.
UH, THE SITE HAS HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
IT'S, UM, ABOUT 0.4 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY A SUBWAY AND THE HARTSDALE PET CEMETERY.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED WITH A, UH, ABOUT A 1700 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOOTPRINT BUILDING 1,730 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT'S THE HONEY BEGGED HAM, UM, SITE, AS DAVID MENTIONED.
UH, SO HERE'S THE SITE HERE AGAIN.
UM, THIS SITE IS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THERE'S TWO DRIVEWAYS, ONE WAY ENTERING AND ONE WAY EXITING.
AND, UH, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF GRADE CHANGE ON THE SITE, WHICH I THINK IS WORTH NOTING.
UM, THE SITE AS YOU ENTER KIND OF SLOPES UP STEEPLY AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING DOES HAVE A BASEMENT, UH, AND THEN IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE, THERE IS A RETAINING WALL AS WELL, UH, WHICH MAKES UP SOME GREAT IN THE BACK.
UH, SO LET ME JUST PULL UP OUR SITE PLAN.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE SITE PLAN? YES.
IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UH, SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
UH, SO WE ARE, UH, AGAIN, PROPOSING A, UH, A NEW BUILDING PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A NEW, UH, 16 190 SQUARE FOOT, UM, TACO BELL BUILDING WITH NO, NO BASEMENT.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO CONSOLIDATE THE DRIVEWAYS TO ONE FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND, UH, AS WE'VE LAID IT OUT, WE HAVE A, WE KIND OF TUCKED THE BUILDING, UH, TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH ALLOWED US TO HAVE A, UH, TWO-WAY, UM, DRIVEWAY ENTERING THE SITE, AND THEN PARKING ON EITHER SIDE, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 23, UM, PHYSICAL PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
UH, AND THEN AS YOU LEAD TOWARD THE BACK OF THE SITE, UM, YOU ENTER THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE, AND THEN WE HAVE AN EIGHT CAR QUEUE, AND THAT IS BEFORE, THAT'S NOT COUNTING, YOU KNOW, THE AREA THAT, UM, WOULD BACK UP INTO THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UH, AS DAVID NOTED, WE DID SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE STAFF EARLY ON.
ORIGINALLY, WE, WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT A REUSE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, IT BECAME VERY CLEAR TO, TO US, AND, UH, IN SPEAKING WITH JOHN CANNING AND AARON AND EVERYBODY THAT, UM, THAT THE REUSE OF THE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE, UM, THE BEST FOR CIRCULATION AND PARKING.
UH, WE JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO GET THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE PLAN THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH NOW IS, IS, UM, SOLID, UH, AGAIN, WITH, UH, WE HAVE 23 PARKING SPACES.
I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS SITE, UH, THIS WILL BE THE FIFTH SITE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH, UM, UH, RAHA PATEL AND HIS GROUP.
UH, THE OTHER FOUR THAT WE'VE WORKED ON IN THIS AREA HAVE BEEN BUILT.
UH, THIS SITE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE BRIARCLIFF SITE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED LAST YEAR.
UH, THE B BRIARCLIFF SITE IS A 2000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, SO IT'S 300 SQUARE FEET BIGGER, UH, AND IT HAS 22 PARKING SPACES.
AND, UM, THAT SITE, UH, FUNCTIONS VERY WELL.
UM, WE DID PERFORM A PARKING, UM, COUNT JUST TO GET A FEEL OF THE OCCUPANCY AT THE BRIAR CLIFF SITE, UM, TO SEE HOW THINGS WOULD COMPARE.
AND, UM, WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, THEIR BUSIEST PERIOD, UH, THEY WERE USING ABOUT 13 PARKING SPACES AT THE MAX DEMAND.
UM, SO ABOUT HALF THE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE AND, UH, THE CUES, UH, AT NO POINT EXCEEDED, UM, TWO OR THREE CARS.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING ADDITIONAL STUDIES AT MORE TACO BELLS IN THE AREA JUST TO, UM, GIVE THE BOARD A LEVEL OF COMFORT.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL, UH, CONFIDENT JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND BASED ON THE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE FIELD THAT, UM, THIS SITE PLAN AS WE'RE PUTTING FORTH IS, IS, UM, WE, WE WILL FUNCTION WELL.
AND PAUL, LET ME JUST JUMP IN 'CAUSE I WANT TO, I WANNA UNDERSCORE SOMETHING PAUL SAID AND, AND I DIDN'T MAKE IT IN MY OPENING COMMENTS.
I, I'VE TOUCHED IT MAYBE VERY BRIEFLY, BUT WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED STAFF WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING IN, IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
UM, AND WE SPENT TIME WITH, UH, AARON AND GARRETT, UH, AS WELL AS WITH JOHN CANNING, SEEING IF WE COULD CONVINCE THEM THAT WE THINK THE SITE WORKS.
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FASHION, THEY FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO GENERATE MORE PARKING AND LESS OF A PARKING VARIANCE.UH, THEY THOUGHT THAT WE NEEDED TO TRY, TRY TO TREAT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE EXISTING HONEYBAKED HAM SITE IS CURRENTLY, UM, CONFIGURED.
SO THEY MADE IT CLEAR TO US THAT WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO OUR CLIENTS AND PUSH HARDER ON, UM, A, A, A MORE SUBSTANTIAL RECONFIGURATION OF THE SITE.
SO WE, WE PROBABLY DID TWO ITERATIONS OF LEAVING THE BUILDING AS IS WHERE IS, AND ULTIMATELY, UM, OUR CLIENTS AGREED THAT THEY WOULD DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND REBUILD.
AND, AND WE ENDED UP WITH WHAT, WHAT PAUL IS NOW SHOWING YOU CLEARLY A BETTER PLAN, CLEARLY A MORE CONSERVATIVE PLAN WITH MORE PARKING, EVEN THOUGH WE, EVEN THOUGH THEORETICALLY IT APPEARS IT STILL MAY BE OVER PARKED FOR A TACO BELL, UM, WE DID GET, WE DID GENERATE MORE PARKING.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MICHAEL, GO AHEAD.
UM, I GUESS, I GUESS AS A RECORD TO PAUL ON ZOOM, DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ANGLE THE PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT? IT WOULD BE EASIER TO GET IN, EASIER TO GET OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE, THERE'S A LITTLE CONFLICT WITH THE PEOPLE COMING IN FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
I KNOW YOU'D PROBABLY LOSE ONE OR TWO PARKING SPOTS, BUT IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO ANGLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARKING, PARKING ANGLE.
IN WHICH WAY, MICHAEL? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WELL, WHEN YOU COME IN, SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN, IT'S, IT'S YEAH.
KARMA, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT THE SAME WAY.
I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE IT HARDER.
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO BACK OUT.
HOW WOULD YOU GET OUT? HOW YOU, THEY'D BE ANGLED TOWARDS THE FRONT ENTRY OF THE SITE, RIGHT? TOWARDS NO, THEY'D BE ANGLED TOWARD THE BACK.
THEY'D BE ANGLED TOWARDS THE NORTH.
YEAH, THE WEST FROM, FROM THE SOUTHEAST TO THE NORTHEAST.
SO THE NORTHWEST MOVE THAT IN, YOU HAVE TO, UNLESS THEY'RE ALL MAUR FRIENDS TO BACK INTO EVERY SPACE, IT WOULD BE, NOBODY'S GONNA BACK IN THERE.
IF THEY'RE ANGLED, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BACK IN WHERE THEY, SO TO MICHAEL'S QUESTION OR COMMENT, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT.
UM, I, I, I DON'T THINK OUR CLIENTS WOULD, WOULD FIND IT OBJECTIONABLE IF THEY LOST ONE OR TWO SPACES, IF THAT MADE IT ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD.
I HAVE A FEELING JOHN CANNING WOULD DISAGREE, MICHAEL, UM, WITH THE, IT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE, IT'S JUST AN IDEA.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO COME IN AND OUT IF IT'S ANGLED, BUT I MAY BE WRONG.
AND JUST, JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR, 'CAUSE I KNOW AARON REALIZES THIS, THE WHOLE KEY TO THE SHIFT OF THE BUILDING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO COME TO THIS RESTAURANT AND DOESN'T WANT DRIVE THROUGH AND WANTS TO PARK, CAN EXIT THE RESTAURANT PARKING LOT EASILY WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOP AROUND THE BUILDING, CONFLICTING WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THAT, SO, SO WE, WE OH, OKAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, WE THOUGHT WE MADE THAT CLEAR.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR EXIT AISLE OR YOUR PASS THROUGH IS.
JUST BECAUSE I JUST CLARIFY, I THOUGHT QUESTIONS OFF MY OWN, BUT JUST REPEAT THAT.
'CAUSE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WERE THAT THERE'S NO PASS.
SO, SO YOU WOULD COME IN AND WHERE WOULD THEY MAKE THAT U-TURN TO GO OUT? YOU, ANYONE? SO YOU, YOU WOULDN'T JUST COME IN AND JUST THEORETICALLY, WALTER, YOU WOULDN'T JUST COME IN AND SAY, I REALLY DIDN'T WANNA BE HERE, I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE.
BUT IF THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS YOUR INTENTION, YOU'D PULL INTO A SPOT, YOU'D KATE TURN BACK OUT AND YOU'D EXIT.
BUT TO, TO ADDRESS MICHAEL'S COMMENT, IF I CAME AND I WANTED TO EAT INSIDE THE RESTAURANT, I'D COME IN, I'D PARK IN A PARKING SPACE ON THE RIGHT OR ON THE LEFT BEYOND THE BUILDING.
AND WHEN IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE, I WOULD BACK MY CAR AND I WOULD EXIT.
THE WAY I CAME IN THERE IS, SO THERE IS NO DRIVE PAST THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THERE IS NO DRIVE THROUGH ESCAPE.
IF THAT'S YOUR NEXT EXPRESSION.
SO, OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION IS ONE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH IS THAT IF YOUR QUEUE IS FULL, IS FULL, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'LL HAVE BACKUP ON ONTO THE STREET, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CENTRAL AVENUE, WHICH WOULD BE A DISASTER.
AND, AND, OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS THAT YOU NEED TO COME UP, I NEED TO SEE EVIDENCE THAT THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
THAT CARS WILL NOT BACK UP INTO CENTRAL AVENUE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OVER 16 VEHICLES OR WELL, WELL UP.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT DATA.
WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN COMFORTABLE SUPPLY THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT.
HE'S, UH, THE OTHER THING, LESLIE, MIND, I'M SORRY, TOM, JUMPING ON.
YOU WILL HAVE A VARIANCE IN TERMS OF PARKING, BECAUSE I BELIEVE I, IF I COUNTED FROM HERE, IT'S 16TH STREET.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, WE NEED A PARKING VARIANCE.
OH, AND A WAIVER FOR THE ISLAND.
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU, UH, YES.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS JUST, UH, UH, A, A CONCERN OF MINE WITH THE, WITH THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF MORE AND MORE, UH, UH, UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS.
AND YOU LOOK AT JUST BY EVERY ENVIRONMENTAL TARGET THAT THE WORLD HAVE HAVE MADE THAN MISSED.
AND NOW YOU HAVING MORE CARS IDLING DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO MY ISSUE IS, IS THE BACKUP ON CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, AND SHOULD, AND HERE AGAIN, SHOULD THERE BE A, UH, A, A BACKUP ON CENTRAL AVENUE AND CAUSE OR ARE, OR ALREADY IN THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET OUT.
SO THE WHOLE TRAFFIC FLOW, I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
LE LES LESLIE WAS GOING, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IT.
THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW SOME TURNING DIAGRAMS. OKAY.
SO IT DOES A LITTLE BIT TOUCH ON WHAT WALTER WAS SAYING, BUT IT HAS TO DO, I SEE THE PROPOSED SIDEWALKS AND I'M JUST NOT, AND I KNOW MOST PEOPLE DRIVE, BUT IF SOMEONE WERE GOING INTO THIS RESTAURANT ON FOOT, I, I DON'T GET HOW, BECAUSE THE ENTRANCES ARE, ARE ON THE SIDE NOW, THEY'RE NOT COMING THROUGH THE FRONT.
IS THAT CORRECT, PAUL? YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS? YEAH, WE, UM, TO BE HONEST, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THIS PLAN TO, YOU KNOW, THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET THERE ARE GONNA BE INTERCONNECTIONS INTO THE SITE FROM THE SIDEWALK.
SO, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THOMAS, BUT WAIT, YOU WERE ASKING THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING.
WHERE IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING, PAUL? IT'S IS NOW FACING NORTH.
AND SO, BUT HE SAID THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE PEDESTRIANS.
TOM, YOU HAD, SO WE'LL WORK WITH THEM.
YOU HAD A COMMENT TO YEAH, I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS MY BIGGEST QUESTION.
AND BUILDING ON WHAT WALTER SAID, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT BACKING OUT, EVEN IF IT'S NOT BACKING UP INTO CENTRAL AVENUE, CORRECT.
THE FACT THAT IF IT'S BACKING UP INTO THE PARKING LOT, ANYONE WHO'S PARKED THERE IS LIKELY TRAPPED.
NOW YOU MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS BRIARCLIFF, THE QUEUE WAS MAYBE THREE CARS.
WE JUST GOT OFF OF CHICK-FIL-A SO I'M THINKING HUNDREDS OF CARS.
SO I'M REALLY GONNA LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE IF IT'S GONNA BACK UP INTO THOSE AREAS OR THE STREET, THAT'S DEFINITELY A, A NUMBER.
AND, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, LIVING NEAR THERE AND GOING DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE AND THAT LOCATION ALL THE TIME, MAKING A LEFT OUT OF THERE POSSIBLE, MAKING A LEFT FROM CENTRAL AVENUE INTO THERE OR FROM THAT DRIVEWAY ONTO CENTRAL AVENUE CAN BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC.
AND IT'S A SITE OF, YOU KNOW, SOME RECENT PEDESTRIAN, UH, FATALITIES AND INJURIES.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A HAWK LIGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THERE.
'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN DANGEROUS.
AND JUST, TOM, JUST TO, JUST TO ADDRESS ONE QUICK COMMENT IN RESPONSE.
CURRENTLY YOU HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS THERE AND TWO CURB CUTS.
SO THE, WE, WE WERE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS WITH ONE CURB CUT.
AND NO MATTER IF WE PACK UP AND GO HOME, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO TRY TO MAKE USE OF THAT.
AND THAT PROPERTY'S ON CENTRAL AVENUE AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I THINK THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO PLAY INTO, CLEARLY IT'S NOT CHICK-FIL-A OKAY.
AARON? THEY PROBABLY WISH IT WAS.
UM, THE FOUR PARKING SPACES, THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE LOT.
UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE YOU TO WORK WITH YOUR, UH, CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS WITH JOHN CANNING, IF THERE'S A FORMAL APPLICATION, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE AN ARROW IN THAT SPACE TO REDUCE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS IF SOMEONE WAS ENTERING THE SITE AND THEN LOOKING TO HOOK A LEFT INTO ONE OF THOSE FOUR SPACES WHEN YOU'VE GOT A CAR EXITING THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH MM-HMM.
WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY.
IT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE IS, IS THERE A, UH, BUS STOP THERE CLOSE BY? THERE'S GOTTA BE BY FOUR CORNERS THERE.
THE ONE THAT SHOWS THERE, UH, IN THE, IN, IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
JOHN, WHAT IN PERSON GET OUT HERE? YOU, YOU JUST THINK ABOUT HIM.
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THOUGHT HE WAS AII THINK LESLIE PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE DAY.
WHERE WERE, WHERE WERE WE? YOU WERE ASKING BUS STOP, BUS STOP ASKING A QUESTION.
IS THAT A BUS STOP? I THINK, UH, UH, JAM SEEKING ANSWER.
PAUL, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, PAUL? THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BUS STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS SITE.
THERE IS ONE DIAGONALLY NORTH UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND THERE IS ONE IN FRONT OF THE, UH, CONDO BUILDING TO OUR SOUTH, I BELIEVE THE APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT.
WHAT'S THE FOLLOW UP RELATED TO THE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT COMMENT ABOUT THE BUS STOP? UH, NO, I, I THINK, UH, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CIRCULATION, IT'S A MUCH BETTER IMPROVEMENT TO THE, UH, HAVING ONLY, UH, HAVING ONLY ONE, ONE, UH, ACCESS AND EXIT INTO THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A, IT'S REALLY A, AND THEN ALSO PEOPLE HAS TO CROSS TWO RIGHT.
AND I, I THINK I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING, UH, REBUILD THE THINGS VERSUS WHAT'S EXISTING.
IT, IT LOOKS, BUT IT'S CRAPPY.
UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE ACTUALLY, THE, UH, IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE EIGHT CARS LINED UP ON A DRIVE-THRU, AND IF, WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE OF THE CAR BREAKS DOWN, HOW DO THEY GET OUT?
THE ONES IN FRONT HAVE TO PULL OUT AND THE ONES IN BACK HAVE TO PULL OUT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH WITH THESE THINGS.
YOU GOT EACH A TACO QUICKLY AND PUSH THE GUY BEHIND YOU.
AND, AND JUST IF YOU CAN, UH, GIVE US A, WITH OTHER TACO BELL THAT THEY'RE OPERATING.
HOW DO THEY MANAGE IT AND OKAY.
HOW DOES THAT COME COMPARE THIS ONE? UH, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS THE LIGHTING AND THE, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS A, I THINK RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK OF IT, RIGHT? OR NO? SO THERE'S RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH, SOUTH YEAH.
WHERE THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS, OTHERWISE THEY'VE GOT THE PET CEMETERY AND THE SUBWAY NORTH OF THEM.
BUT A LIGHTING PLAN WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YEAH, CERTAINLY IF WE WERE TO FILE AN APPLICATION, WE'D HAVE A YEAH, BECAUSE TACO BELL IS KNOWN FOR BEING A LATE NIGHT PLACE, SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE HOURS ARE OPERATION.
THE CEMETERY IS OFF TO, WHAT'S THAT? THE EAST, IT GOES BEHIND IT THOUGH TOO TO THE WEST.
CEMETERY IS TO THE NORTH AND WEST.
SO TOWARDS THE BACK OF WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH.
HEY JOHAN, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC? OH, SO IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK WHERE THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH IS RIGHT NOW.
ANYTHING ELSE, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS OR CONSIDERATION WOULD BE GIVEN? BEING THAT THERE'S NO LIFE BACK THERE EXCEPT FOR WILDLIFE, THAT THE, UH, THE LOT ITSELF COULD BE EXPANDED TO CREATE MORE AREAS FOR QUEUING AND PARKING.
WE'LL, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND UPON WHAT EXISTS TODAY BY PUSHING THE WALL FURTHER OUT.
BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT YEAH.
PAUL, YOU MAY WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT OF JUST, I, IF YOU COULD JUST PAINT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DETAILED PICTURE OF THE TOPO IN THE BACK.
AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE RETAINING WALL, BUT EXPLAIN WHAT'S BACK THERE AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE PUSHING INTO.
SO AGAIN, AS I STATED AT THE BEGINNING, THERE'S AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL ON THE BACK.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO REBUILDING THAT WALL AND PUSHING FURTHER BACK.
UM, BUT IT IS A BALANCE BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A STEEP SLOPE BACK THERE UP TO THE PET CEMETERY PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE CAN'T PUSH TOO FAR BACK WITHOUT AN EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPE IN A, IN AN EXCESSIVELY TALL RETAINING WALL RETAINING WALL WALL THAT WE WOULD BE CREATING.
UM, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE WITH THE GRADING, UH, IN THE BACK, AND I THINK WE'RE PUSHING THE WALL ABOUT 10 FEET TO 15 FEET BACK AT THE MAXIMUM POINT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE GRADING IS ABOUT A 10 FOOT WALL.
IT STARTS AT TWO FEET, TAPERS TO SIX FEET, AND THEN AT THE MAXIMUM IT'S 10 FEET.
SO, UM, WE TRIED TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, BALANCE THOSE THINGS AND, AND ALSO BALANCE THE, UH, TREE REMOVAL.
WE WANTED TO KEEP SOME OF THE LARGER, UM, TREES THAT ARE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, IF WE COULD, SO, SHORT, SHORT ANSWER, JOHANN, IS WE, WE, WE ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED.
WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE MORE SPACE BY PUSHING BACK.
WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE MORE PARKING AND BETTER QUEUING.
ORIGINALLY WE WERE CONSIDERING NOT DOING THAT AND WE WERE ENCOURAGED BY STAFF TO DO THAT.
UM, AND WE ARE, AS PAUL SUMMARIZED, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE OF PUSHING BACK
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UNNECESSARILY IF WE WOULD BE CREATING PARKING UNNECESSARILY.OUR CLIENTS FEEL THAT EVEN WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WE HAVE HERE, AND WE WILL NEED A VARIANCE, WE'RE STILL OVER PARKED FOR A TACO BELL.
UM, I, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IF SARAH ARE YOU? YEAH, GO AHEAD, MATT.
UM, SO FOR FORMAL SUBMISSION, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO INCLUDE, UH, THE HOURS OF GARBAGE PICKUP AND TRUCK DELIVERIES FOR MY SUPPLIES AS WELL AS, UM, TRUCK TURNING DIAGRAMS. YEP.
UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOUR DUMPSTER IS IN FRONT OF THE, UM, THE A DA SPACE.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE'S NOT PARKED THERE AND YOU HAVE THE GARBAGE TRUCK WAITING.
UM, AND THEN TO KIND OF, UH, TOM'S COMMENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TACO BELL BEING A LATE NIGHT EATERY, UM, A LARGE COMPONENT OF THAT IS ONLINE ORDERS FOR DELIVERY AND LIKE UBER EATS, DOORDASH.
UM, SO HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN PUT INTO DESIGNATING SOME SPACE FOR ONLINE ORDER PICKUP OR HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
THAT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD IDEA, MATT.
MATT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ASSUME YOU ORDER FROM TACO BELL, BUT YOU MAY HAVE PLAYED YOUR CARDS HERE A LITTLE BIT.
YOU ORDERS, ORDERS SOME TACO BELL.
I, I THINK ONE, JUST START OFF MIND, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY OUTDOOR SITTING, UM, PAUL, I, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR IT.
YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO DO THAT EITHER.
PARTICULARLY WE HAVE AN APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GREAT IDEA.
I, I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE, I I LET EVERYBODY, UH, GET THEIR COMMENTS IN.
I'M, I'M EVEN MORE CONCERNED THAN THIS GENTLEMAN ACROSS FROM ME ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH, GIVEN A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ON DRIVE OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO PARTICULARLY.
I MEAN, I ENVIRONMENTALLY WE JUST GOT AN ARTICLE ACTUALLY THAT TOM WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR US ABOUT, ABOUT THE ECOLOGY OF, OR LAC THEREOF OF, OF, OF, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLINESS OF, OF DRIVE THROUGHS.
BUT BEYOND THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO HAVE THRIVING BUSINESSES IN GREENBURG.
AND I CAN SEE HOW THIS WOULD DO VERY WELL AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, MY CONCERN IS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO A PRETTY GOOD TRAFFIC STUDY TO CONVINCE US THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A STACKED YEAH.
OF OVER EIGHT CARS AND I MEAN EIGHT CARS.
AND THE REASON I MEAN THAT AS SOON AS YOU GO TO CAR NUMBER NINE MM-HMM.
I, I'D RATHER SEE A BIGGER VARIANCE IN THE PARKING SPACES AND MORE ROOM FOR, FOR DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IN, IN ONE CASE WITH, UH, JOHANN'S IDEA.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR VIRTUAL VIRTUAL TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND ALL OF THIS, UM,
UM, SERIOUSLY, HE'S, UH, JOHN KNOWS THAT WE, WE WERE VERY, VERY CAREFUL, UH, RECENTLY AND, AND IN LAUNCHING A TRAFFIC STUDY AS TO HOW WE SPECIFICALLY EVALUATE THESE SITUATIONS.
AND SO JOHN SHOULD BE WORKING WITH YOUR FOLKS AT JMC, WHO I KNOW ARE VERY TALENTED AS WELL.
I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I LOVE STARBUCKS, BUT EVERY TIME I DRIVE, DRIVE BY THAT STARBUCKS IN CENTRAL AVENUE AND SEE PEOPLE WAITING ALL THE WAY OUT INTO THE STREET, IT BOTHERS ME.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE IN THIS CASE.
YOU HAVE TWO POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AS I SEE IT.
ONE IS THE BACK OF THE LINE, THE OTHER CONFLICT YOU HAVE, WHICH AARON KIND OF KIND OF REFERRED TO, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED, UH, NOT ONLY LEFT TURN IN SOMEONE'S BACKING OUT OF THOSE FRONT SPACES WHILE SOMEONE'S COMING, COMING OUT OF THE, TO LOOKING IN THEIR BACK.
IS IT COMING OUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH? THERE'S A POTENTIAL CONFLICT THERE TOO.
SO I, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT COULD BE HANDLED.
MAYBE IT COULD BE HANDLED WITH A CURB OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, WORKING WITH JOHN AND, AND YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, BUT THAT TO ME IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN HERE.
THE OTHER ONES WE DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT.
WE'VE GOT A VERY LARGE APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS IN HARMONY WITH THAT, THAT, THAT AS WELL.
SO DELIVERY TIME, AS MATT SAID, IS GOING TO BE, I DON'T EVEN, COULD YOU TELL US, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAH, I THINK WE CAN ANSWER THAT NOW IF YOU WANTED THAT.
IS IT A PAUL TRUCK? IS IT A B PAUL OR ROV? COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO WHEN WE NORMALLY WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO ARRANGE FOR FOOD DELIVERIES AND GARBAGE? YEAH.
ROG, UM, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ALL THE, THE REFUSE PICKUP AND THE DELIVERIES OCCUR UM, VERY EARLY, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING.
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AHEAD, RAGAN.SO WE CAN ESTABLISH A TIME WITH OUR REFUSE PICKUP, UM, WITH WHAT HOURS, UH, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME.
AND AS FOR OUR DELIVERIES, UH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY, UH, EARLY IN THE MORNING, UM, BEFORE WE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
SO YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, BEFORE MM-HMM,
I MEAN, I, I WOULD HATE TO SEE DELIVERIES WHILE YOU'RE, WHILE YOU'RE OPERATING.
YOU DO, DO YOU, DO YOU DO A BREAKFAST MENU NOW THOUGH? CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE OPEN, YOU'RE OPEN EARLIER THAN IT USED TO BE.
TACO BELL DOES HAVE A BREAKFAST MENU.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY DO, I THINK UP.
DO YOU DO SERVE BREAKFAST, CORRECT? WE DO SERVE BREAKFAST.
UH, BREAKFAST TYPICALLY STARTS AT 8:00 AM OKAY.
PAUL, UH, IS THIS STILL YOUR SCREEN THAT'S BEING SHARED? YES.
CAN YOU PUT THE AERIAL VIEW BACK UP OF THE PROPERTY? MY, THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS HOW FAR THE APARTMENT BUILDING ITSELF IS FROM THAT DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING SOME PARKING LOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUILDING IS LIKE RIGHT THERE OR IF IT'S FURTHER AWAY.
I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME PARKING ON THAT SIDE.
THERE MIGHT, MIGHT BE A DOUBLE ROW OF YEAH, IT'S PRETTY.
PAUL, CAN YOU SHIP BACK TO THE AERIAL? OH, THE AERIAL AND THAT'S THE GOOGLE EARTH THING.
I MEAN, MY WINDOW IS OVERLOOKING A LINE OF IDLING CARS.
IT WAS JUST A QUESTION IN MY MIND.
WHAT WE DID IT ON THE BRIER FLIP SITE THAT ALSO HAD, UM, UH, RESIDENCES TO THE REAR OF US.
WE, UM, PROPOSED A SOUND ATTENUATING FENCE ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE ENVISIONED SOME LANDSCAPING AND A FENCE TO BUFFER THE TWO PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT GONNA, IT NOT ATTENUATED, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP, BUT IT'S A SIX STORY BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK THE NOISE IS A ISSUE EXCEPT FOR THE DELIVERIES.
THE ONLY, MY MY, MY CONCLUDING COMMENT IS PARTICULARLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR, OUR CLIENT WHO'S ON, WE, WE ASKED TO DO THIS PRE-SUBMISSION MEETING LIKE THIS.
I APPRECIATE, UH, AARON MAKING THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE WANTED TO COME IN HERE, EXPLAIN THIS AND, AND TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE ON, DO YOU THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S INSURMOUNTABLE? I WE KNOW THERE ARE CHALLENGES.
YOU'VE DONE A VERY THOROUGH JOB OF IDENTIFYING THE CHALLENGES.
WE SIMPLY WANNA KNOW, AND I THINK MR. PATEL WANTS TO KNOW THAT YOUR BOARD WOULD BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE DATA AND PLAY THIS THING OUT WITH US OVER THE DATA'S GONNA BE THE KEY.
IN, IN MY VIEW, THAT'S THE KEY KEY TO IT, THAT IT'S SO CRITICAL TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THERE'S ALSO CONSIDERATION TOM MADE, I'VE BEEN TO THAT SUBWAY.
TAKING A LEFT OUT OF THERE MANY, MOST OF THE DAY IS IMPOSSIBLE.
A LEFT IN I, I CAN GET AWAY WITH.
SOMETIMES THE PEOPLE ARE SLOWING DOWN FOR THE LIGHT.
BUT A LEFT OUT OF THERE WHEN PEOPLE SHOOT, SHOOTING UP THAT SHOOTING FROM THE, FROM FOUR CORNERS UP, UP AFTER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER TOO, AS THE POTENTIAL OF NOT A LEFT TURN OUT, AT LEAST.
AND, AND MR. STEIN IS YOU WELL AWARE THAT WE CANNOT MAKE ANY I, UH, PREJUDGMENT OF HOW WE CAN LOOK AT THE APPLICATION.
ALL WE COULD DO IS TO TELL YOU THESE ARE THE AREAS OF CONCERN AND IT'S UP TO YOU AND YOUR CLIENT TO UNDERSTOOD.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, AND, AND, AND I KNOW YOU WALTER, IF, IF YOU THOUGHT WE WERE CRAZY, I'D WANT YOU TO TURN AROUND LIKE YOU ARE NOW AND SAY, DAVID, YOU'RE CRAZY.
TELL YOUR CLIENT THEY'RE CRAZY.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU DON'T THINK WE'RE CRAZY AND YOU'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE DATA AND LET US WORK WITH MR. CANNING, THAT'S THE BEST I COULD ASK FOR THAT.
WE ASK, WE, WE, WE MAKE DECISIONS.
WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON DATA.
IS BRIGHTVIEW HAPPENING? I'VE JUST, EVERY TIME I DRIVE AWAY, WE, WE SURE HOPE SO.
I I, NO INDICATION TO THE CONTRARY.
IT JUST BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS, METROPOLIS METRO.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING ABOUT.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING SUPPLY CHAIN.
UM, LIGHTBRIDGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
JOHN, WHY DON'T YOU MOVE UP? CAN EVEN, YOU KNOW, PULL UP A CHAIR IF YOU WANT TO INSIDE HERE, NOT AI.
WOULD YOU GO OVER TO LESLIE AND JUST A PICTURE, MAKE SURE
COME ON GUYS, LET'S FINISH UP UP HERE.
FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY AARON HAS IMPECCABLE TIMING.
HE ESTIMATED 8 45 FOR OUR APPLICATION.
WE'RE PRETTY, WE ACTUALLY THANK YOU.
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WE ACTUALLY TIME THIS RIGHT BEFORE, AND I, AND JOE TAKES ME UNDER THE TABLE IF WE'RE RUNNING LATE.WE WERE, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS TO GET THERE.
I NEED TO CALL, CALL THE, CALL IT A CASE FIRST.
PB 20 DASH OH NINE LAKEBRIDGE ACADEMY.
IT'S A AMEND AMENDMENT TO A SPECIAL, UH, USE PERMIT AND ALSO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AS EVERYBODY WILL REMEMBER, MAYBE NOT EVERYONE.
THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ON THE BOARD, I'M SORRY.
WE HEARD THIS PROJECT, UH, IN 2020 ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN THEY FIRST, UH, PROPOSED, UH, PUTTING, PUTTING THAT FACILITY IN THERE, WE WERE CONCERNED AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS IN THE, UH, PARKING LOT OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY, WHAT THE CAPACITY COULD BE.
SO WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO LIMIT THE CAPACITY OF STUDENTS.
I BELIEVE IT WAS TO A HUNDRED NINE, A HUNDRED FIVE, A HUNDRED FIVE, EXCUSE ME, 105.
AND, UM, IF THINGS WENT WELL, UH, THEY COULD COME BACK TO US WITH A PROPOSAL TO EXPAND IT TO A HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE TWO TWO TWO TWO ONE FIFTY NINE AT THE TIME, 1 52 PRESENTLY.
TWO IS WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.
SO TO DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND A SPECIAL, UH, USE PERMIT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE ZONING BOARD HAS TO GRANT ANOTHER PARKING VARIANCE TO DO THIS.
ONE I'D LIKE TO TRY TO WORK ON A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT AFTER THE PRESENTATION, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND THE OTHER ONE OBVIOUSLY WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAKE A DECISION.
WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION, UH, UNTIL, UM, AFTER THE ZONING BOARD.
DO WE NEED TO DECLARE A SEEKER AGAIN ON THIS? NO.
SO THE PROPOSED ACTION IN TOTALITY WOULD QUALIFY AS TYPE TWO.
IS IT TYPE TWO? BUT DO WE HAVE TO, DO WE HAVE TO DECLARE THAT OR NOT? WE CAN DO THAT IN CONNECTION WITH ANY DECISION.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE SENDING IT TO THE ZONING BOARD, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THAT.
CAN JUST HAVE MOTION TO DECLARE THIS IS TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER THEN.
WALTER, TOM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO DO THAT.
YOU CAN TELL US WHERE WE'RE AT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TOWN STAFF, MR. CANNING.
UH, MY NAME IS MATTHEW DUDLEY OF HARRIS BEACH, PLC.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
5 29 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, LLC.
UH, WITH ME HERE TONIGHT IS MR. JESSE COLEY FROM COLLIER'S ENGINEERING.
UH, JESSE WAS ALSO BEFORE YOUR BOARD, UH, TOGETHER WITH MY FIRM BACK IN 2020 FOR THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS.
UH, AS CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, UH, EXPLAINED, UH, IN DECEMBER OF 2020, THIS BOARD GRANTED SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SPECIAL USE, PERMIT APPROVAL, UH, STEEP SLOPES AND SOME, UH, WAIVERS FROM THE BOARD.
UH, WITHIN THAT, UH, THOSE APPROVALS, THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT HAVE A FREEZE OR A CAP ON THEIR TOLL ENROLLMENT OF CHILDREN TO 105 FTE CHILDREN, MEANING FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT CHILDREN.
UH, JUST A QUICK EXPLANATION OF WHAT FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT MEANS.
IT MEANS, UH, ONE CHILD, AND, AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS A, UM, LIGHTBRIDGE DAYCARE FACILITY THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS HAS BEEN BUILT OUT AND IT'S, UH, VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UH, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 98 FTE CHILDREN ENROLLED.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN FOR THESE APPRO THESE APPLICATIONS SO THAT THERE'S NO LAG, UH, IN, IN THE FREEZE OF 105 FTE CHILDREN.
UH, AND SO JUST BRIEFLY, FTE CHILDREN MEANS EITHER ONE CHILD FIVE DAYS A WEEK, FULL TIME OR TWO CHILDREN.
UH, THE FIRST CHILD BEING MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, THE SECOND CHILD BEING THURSDAY, UH, TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FULL-TIME.
OR YOU COULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF TWO CHILDREN, UH, ONE CHILD BEING FULL-TIME IN THE MORNING AND THE SECOND CHILD BEING FULL-TIME IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO THOSE ARE D COMBINATIONS OF A, OF A ONE FDE, UH, CHILD.
AND THAT'S PURSUANT TO, UM, THIS LIGHT ACADEMY IS LICENSED BY THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES.
UM, AS, UH, AARON EXPLAINED, UH, ORIGINALLY AT THE CONCEPT STAGE, IT WAS, UM, THOUGHT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR 159 FTE CHILDREN.
SUBSEQUENT, UH, AFTER THE LICENSE LICENSING FROM THE STATE, UH, THEY ARE LICENSED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 152 CHILDREN, UH, WITH ASSOCIATED STAFF BEING 31 STAFF MEMBERS.
UM, SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE, THE APPROVAL FROM 2020, UH, PERMITS 105 CHILDREN AND 22 STAFF MEMBERS.
UM, AS PART OF THE, THE BOARD'S SECRET DETERMINATION, IT'S NEGATIVE DECLARATION
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IN 2020, UH, IT EXPLAINED THAT IF IN THE FUTURE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE ENROLLMENT BEYOND 105 CHILDREN, IT COULD COME BACK TO THIS BOARD, SUBMIT A SUPPLEMENTAL TRAFFIC STUDY AND SITEWIDE PARKING UTILIZATION STUDY.UH, WHICH WE HAVE RECENTLY DONE.
WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT TO TOWN STAFF AND THAT HAS BEEN RE-REVIEWED, REVIEWED BY MR. CANNING.
UH, IN ADDITION, WE ALSO RECENTLY PROVIDED A TIME LAPSE VIDEO, UH, OF THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SITE, AS WELL AS THE PARKING LOT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF A OF A DAY.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH 12TH, UH, 2024 TO KIND OF GIVE A VISUAL AS TO HOW, UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC IS WORKING, COMING INTO THE SITE AND THE CIRCULATION FROM PARKING AND BACKING UP AND, AND COMING BACK OUT OF THE SITE, WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD, REALLY HELPFUL.
HAVE YOU SEEN THAT FOR ANY OTHER APPLICATION? YEAH, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT, I ASSUME AARON WAS ABLE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY I, FROM THE USB THAT I PROVIDED.
UM, IN, IN ADDITION, UH, BACK IN 2020, WE RE WERE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A NUMBER OF VARIANCES FROM AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UH, ONE OF THOSE, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S THREE VARIANCES TOTAL, BUT ONE OF THOSE AREA VARIANCES WAS FOR OFFERING LESS THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
UM, I, I FORGET THE NUMBER BACK THEN.
BUT WITH THE CAP OF 105 CHILDREN AND 22 STAFF MEMBERS, THE ORIGINAL AREA VARIANCE, UH, WAS FOR FOUR SPACES AT THAT NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND STAFF MEMBERS, 49 WERE REQUIRED.
OUR SITE PLAN BACK THEN PROPOSED 45, UH, THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED THAT AREA OF VARIANCE.
SO IN, IN OUR DESIRED INCREASE OF CHILDREN TO A MAXIMUM OF 152, UH, WE WILL REQUIRE AN INCREASED AREA VARIANCE FOR THAT OFF STREET PARKING.
UH, WE PROPOSED TO KEEP AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH MAXED OUT ON PARKING ON THE SITE.
SO WE PROPOSED TO KEEP THE 45 SPACES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE SITE.
UH, BUT WITH 152 CHILDREN AND 31 STAFF MEMBERS, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF 68, UH, OFF STREET PARKING, PARKING SPACES.
SO DUE TO THE INCREASE OF, OF THAT PERCENTAGE FROM THE MINIMUM REQUIRED, WE, WE'VE, UH, APPLIED SUBSEQUENT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ISSUING A MEMORANDUM ON MAY 10TH, THAT THAT PARKING VARIANCE IS INDEED REQUIRED.
WE'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU HAVEN'T, YOU'RE NOT ON THEIR SCHEDULE YET, ARE YOU? WE'RE CURRENTLY ON, ON THEIR SCHEDULE FOR JUNE 20TH.
SO, UH, AS CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, UH, YOU, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER ISSUING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR SUPPORT OF THAT, UH, VARIANCE.
I I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY YOUR PARKING IS CURRENTLY MAXED OUT YET? YOU WANT TO ADD MORE STUDENTS SO IT'LL HELP UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
WE CAN'T ADD ANY MORE SPACE SPACES.
THEY'RE NOT ALL FULL EVERY DAY.
UM, AND THEN ONE LAST, UH, POINT TO COMMENT ON, UH, AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UM, THE FIRST THREE PARKING SPACES DIRECTLY OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR OF LEVERAGE ACADEMY, UH, WERE TO BE DEDICATED AS EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY.
THE REASON FOR THAT WAS DUE TO THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVE AISLE BEHIND THOSE, UM, PARKING SPACES AND, AND A CONCERN THAT IT MIGHT BE IN CONFLICT WITH, UM, CARS BACKING OUT OF THOSE THREE SPACES.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, AS DEMONSTRATED IN, IN THE TIME LAPSE VIDEO, THOSE SPACES HAVE BEEN USED BY CAREGIVERS AND, AND PARENTS TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP THEIR KIDS.
UH, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT IF THE BOARD WERE TO CONSIDER OUR AMENDED APPLICATION, UH, THAT IT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT CONDITION FROM THE SUBSEQUENT, UH, AMENDED APPROVALS BECAUSE, UH, THE TIME-LAPSE VIDEO AND, AND THE TRAFFIC UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THAT THE CIRCULATION OF CARS IS WORKING, UH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS ARE PARKING IN THOSE THREE PARKING SPOTS.
SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT'S THE IMPACT.
FIRST ON MUTE, I'M GONNA ASK YOUR QUESTION SINCE I GOT TWO TRAFFIC PEOPLE HERE, I LOVE YOUR WORK.
UM, I DON'T LOVE HAVING TO GO THROUGH A HUNDRED PAGES BEFORE I FIND A CONCLUSION.
SO, AND I'M NOT REALLY THAT GOOD AT MATH, SO I, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VIRTUAL WHEN IT'S VIRTUAL.
UM, BUT SERIOUSLY, WHAT, WHAT I'D APPRECIATE IN THE FUTURE IS CONCLUSIONS AND AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY UP FRONT.
YOU KNOW, STILL GONNA READ THE BACK.
I WANT TO READ THE BACK 'CAUSE I DO DO DO THAT AND I DO LOOK AT THE TABLES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNICAL COMPLEX STUFF IN THERE AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR OVERALL FIRST AND THEN GO, LET ME GO THROUGH TO TRY TO SUPPORT IT.
THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK THAT BOTH OF YOU,
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SIR.SO STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, UH, JESSE COAKLEY WITH COLLIER'S ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN AND, AND NOW THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
UM, AARON SHARING THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW FOR THE UPDATED SITE PLAN.
UM, THE ONLY UPDATE ON THIS SITE PLAN REALLY IS THE, UH, PARKING CALCULATION.
UH, IT NOW REFLECTS THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES BASED ON 152 STUDENTS AND 31 STAFF.
UM, AND THEN STILL PROVIDING THE SAME NUMBER OF SPACES 45.
UH, WE PRO, AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, WE DID SUBMIT A PARKING STUDY DONE AT OTHER LIGHT BRIDGE ACADEMIES.
I REMEMBER THAT WITH SIMILAR ENROLLMENT COUNTS.
AND IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE IN THAT 33, 36 SPACES IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR LIKE 150 STUDENTS, GIVE OR TAKE.
UH, AND THAT WAS EXPLAINED DURING THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WITH A CHILDCARE USE SUCH AS THIS.
AND MATT KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT CHILDREN.
UM, PICKUP AND DROP OFF HAPPENS KIND OF GRADUALLY.
AND SO SIMILARLY WITH STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS, THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS YOU NEED IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN AT THE CENTER.
SO AS THE CHILDREN SHOW UP, THE TEACHERS ARE ALSO KIND OF COMING IN WAVES.
SO REALLY THE MOST AMOUNT OF PARKING USED AT THE SITE IS REALLY USUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY WHEN MOST STUDENTS ARE THERE.
UM, AND ALL THE STAFF IS THERE.
UH, REALLY, I WOULDN'T THINK IT'S WHEN YOU'RE DROPPING, WHEN YOU'RE DROPPING PEOPLE OFF, NOT, NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
WELL, EVERYONE COMES TO THE SAME TIME MORNING MORE THAN THE AFTERNOON, I WOULD THINK IT, IT DOES, IT DOES DIFFER.
SOMETIMES IF IT'S HEAVIER IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON, DEPENDING ON IF YOU'RE CLOSER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A COMMUTER LOCATION IF YOU'RE CLOSER TO A BUSINESS CENTER, IF YOU'RE CLOSER TO A RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS THE PEAKS MAYBE AN MORE THAN AN AFTERNOON PEAK.
BUT THEIR PEAK, I WOULD THINK, I COULD BE WRONG THAT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME WOULD BE THE MIDDAY.
'CAUSE NOBODY'S PICKING VERY FEW PEOPLE PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF PEOPLE.
I THINK THE TIME, THE CAPACITY I'D BE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN THE MOST, WHEN THE ACTIVITY, THE TURNOVER IS THE HIGHEST.
WELL, I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN MOST OF THE SPACES ARE OCCUPIED PARKING SPACES.
BUT THE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE IN OUR DRIVE-THRU, THOSE, THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL BE USED.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LITTLE KIDS THAT ARE GONNA BE WALKED INTO THE SCHOOL.
SO THOSE ARE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE GONNA BE UTILIZED.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
AND AS HE PRESENTED PROBABLY TO THE ZONING, HOPEFULLY TO THE ZONING BOARD, UM, LOOKING AT THOSE PERIODS OF TIME TO ME IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE SPACES IN THE FRONT ARE DEDICATED FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF.
SO IF YOU WERE TO COME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, UH, AND I THINK YOU COULD SEE IT IN THE TIME LAPSE VIDEO, THOSE, THOSE SPACES ARE EMPTY.
IT'S THE ONES IN THE REAR THAT ARE FAR, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.
DO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE, UNLESS YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THE SITE PLAN FURTHER VERSUS JUST FOR US TO HAVE THE TIME LAPSE VIDEO ON IN THE BACKGROUND? BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN HAVE MATT ARRANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT STAY FOCUSED ON THAT.
WE'RE REALLY GONNA NEED TO FOCUS ON THE NUMBERS AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SHOW THE TIME LAPSE IN, IN THE NUMBERS AT THE SAME TIME.
WELL, HE, HE'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN THE, MATT, CAN YOU DO THAT CONSENSUS? DO YOU WANT THE VIDEO? I'LL STOP SHARING.
YEAH, LET, LET'S JUST SEE THE VISUAL.
HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, SPEED UP GOES ON.
WELL, HOW LONG WE CAN PUT AND A HALF, MAYBE 20 SOMETHING MINUTES.
IT'S 6:30 AM OR IT'S UP? IT'S 20 MINUTES.
UH, CAN HE SPEED UP THE SPEED UP TO ONE AND A HALF? MAYBE.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, BUT WE'LL LET MR. COLEY CONTINUE WHILE WE GET THIS IRONED OUT.
SO, UM, AS MATT INDICATED, WE DID SUBMIT A REVISED TRAFFIC STUDY OR REVISED PARKING ANALYSIS.
THOSE BASICALLY CONFIRMED THE PROJECTIONS WITH, FROM THE ORIGINAL STUDY WITH SOME SLIGHT UPDATES BASED ON THE BACKGROUND, I GUESS ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, UM, IMPACTING SOME OF THE, UM, UH, TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UM, AND THE FINDINGS REMAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, UNCHANGED FOR THE MOST PART THAT THERE IS NO ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THE PARKING IS, YOU KNOW, WELL IN SURPLUS OF WHAT IS NEEDED AND WHAT IS PROJECTED
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TO BE NEEDED AT FULL CAPACITY.UH, AND THEN WE DID OBTAIN THE TRAFFIC REC RECORDS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THERE'S NO HISTORY OF ACCIDENTS AT THE DRIVEWAY, SO IT IS OPERATING SAFELY AS, UH MM-HMM.
UM, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF, OF JOHN'S MEMO.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS TO GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
UM, WOULD THIS BE A GOOD TIME FOR JOHN TO TALK? IT'S HAPPY TO DO THAT.
JOHN, DO YOU WANNA, UH, COMMENT PLEASE? SO JUST WHILE WE'RE TRANSITIONING, THE UPPER LEFT IS THE REAR OR UPPER LOT THAT'S TYPICALLY FOR EMPLOYEES? YES.
THE LOWER RIGHT IS THE FRONT AND SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE PARENT PICK AND DROP OFF MORE, LESS IS.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
JOHN CANNING, UH, PARTNER WITH KIMLEY HORN LOCATED IN WHITE PLAINS.
UM, I, I'M REMINDED OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION OR PRETTY MUCH ANY APPLICATION ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SIGNALED UH, DRIVEWAY.
MAKING A LEFT TURN OUT ONTO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE IS NOT EASY, WHICH IS WHY WHEN THIS PROJECT WITH STUDIES EX EXTENSIVELY, WHEN IT CAME BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND IT INDICATED THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, THERE WOULD BE LENGTHY DELAYS MAKING THE LEFT TURN OUT ONTO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
THE BOARD DECIDED AT THAT TIME TO HAVE A PAUSE AT 105 STUDENTS AND CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT CONDITIONS AT THE DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AT THE DRIVEWAY, IT COULD BE, UH, A SAFETY ISSUE AS MUCH AS A DELAY ISSUE.
AND THEN AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UM, THE, THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT, WELL, IF YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THE, THE DRIVEWAY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL LOOK AT THE PARKING AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING BEFORE YOU WOULD ADVANCE FROM 105 TO 152.
SO THE APPLICANT PRESENTED DATA AT THAT TIME THAT INDICATED THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH PARKING, THERE WOULD BE VERY LENGTHY DELAYS MAKING TURNS OUT AT THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THE BOARD SAID, OKAY, LET'S GO TO 105, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE THEN, AND THEN MOVE TO 152 IF EVERYTHING IS OKAY.
SO I LOOKED AT THE MATERIALS THAT THEY PROVIDED, AND THE ACADEMY IS ACTUALLY GENERATING 11 TO 34% LESS TRAFFIC THAN IT WAS FORECAST TO DO, UH, BASED ON A PER CAPITA RATIO, DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AM OR THE PM.
THEY WERE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR STUDY.
UH, THE PARKING IS 10% LOWER THAN THEY PROJECTED, WHICH IS ALSO GOOD.
UM, THEY'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY IF THEY INCREASE THEIR ENROLLMENT FROM 105 OR 91 NOW TO 152.
AND THE NUMBER THAT I CALCULATED BASED ON THEIR PROJECTIONS WAS A MAXIMUM PARKING OF 36 IN THE 45 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS KIND OF RIGHT IN LINE WHAT JESSE INDICATED.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO REPORTED ACCIDENTS OR INCIDENTS AT THE SITE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
OBVIOUSLY AT CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE SITE IS 7% HIGHER IN THE MORNING THAN WAS FORECAST AND 3% LOWER IN THE AFTERNOON THAN WAS FORECAST.
SO THAT'S GENERALLY WITHIN RANGE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
SO WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT THAT WAS WITHIN, WITHIN RANGE.
UH, THEY DID OBSERVATIONS OF THE DELAYS AT THE DRIVEWAY, HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU TO GET OUT, AND THEY COMPARED THEM TO THE CALCULATED DELAY BECAUSE WE USE AN ALGORITHM THAT INPUTS THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC ACTIVITY AND WE CALCULATED DELAY PER SECOND.
AND THEY, THEY FOUND THAT THE OBSERVED DELAYS WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT TURNOUT WERE A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE CALCULATED DELAYS ALSO A GOOD THING.
SO THE LONGER YOU WAIT, THE MORE FRUSTRATED YOU GET, THE MORE LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A RASH DECISION AND TRY AND SQUEEZE THAT INTO A GAP THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
SO, SO FAR EVERYTHING IS IN LINE OR BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAD REJECTED.
UH, GOING FORWARD, PROJECTING FOR ENROLLMENT INCREASED FROM 91 TO 152.
THEY STILL PROJECT IN THE PMP CAR WHEN CENTRAL PARK AVENUE IS BUSIER BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A COMMERCIAL RETAIL CORRIDOR THAN IT IS A COMMUTER CORRIDOR.
ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAVE COMMUTERS.
UM, THEY STILL PROJECT LEVEL OF SERVICE F IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK R BUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE F PROJECTED IS LESS THAN WHAT WAS PROJECTED PREVIOUSLY.
AND THE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE ACTUAL DELAY WILL PROBABLY BE EVEN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
SO IT'S STILL GONNA BE HARD TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OUTTA CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, BUT IT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO BE AS HARD AS YOU ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.
AND THE ACCIDENT DATA INDICATES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO INCIDENTS, SO THAT'S ALL GOOD.
UM, WE DID LOOK, UH, AND ORIGINALLY AND THE STUDY LOOKED AGAIN AT OLD, THE NEAREST INTERSECTION, WHICH IS OLD ARMY ROAD IN CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN A PRETTY DRAMATIC INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ACTIVITY THERE IN THE MORNING.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT RELATED TO TO THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THE NUMBERS AT THE INTERSECTION ARE MUCH GREATER.
THAT'S IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON, UH, THERE WAS A SLIGHT DROP, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT TRAFFIC OPERATING CONDITIONS, WE FOUND, WHICH WAS FOUND THE LAST TIME
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AROUND, WHICH IS KIND OF NORMAL AROUND HERE, THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WASN'T OPTIMALLY TIMED.AND SO IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDE STREETS ON OLD ARMY ROAD, YOU DON'T REALLY GET ENOUGH TIME TO GET OUT ONTO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, AND THEN YOU WAIT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE TIMING BE, UH, OPTIMIZED SO THAT YOU GET A FAIR SHARE OF TIME DEPENDING ON THE, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
THAT'S DOT, RIGHT? THAT'S DOT.
UH, WE WOULD AGREE WITH THEIR FINDING AND CONCUR WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY SUBMIT A REQUEST TO DOT TO DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK I WOULD MAKE IT BIND, MAKE THIS APPLICATION BINDING ON THAT.
I THINK I'D MAKE THIS APPLICATION BINDING ON THEM SUBMITTING A REQUEST.
THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER DOT, BUT THEY COULD AT LEAST ASK THEM ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
WELL, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
I SAW AT THE END OF YOUR REPORT THAT YOU RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO DOT.
WOULD THE TOWN NOT HAVE MORE WEIGHT THAN THE A THAN THE APPLICANT IF THE CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE? OR IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM? NO, IT DOESN'T REALLY.
I MEAN, IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE APPLICANT IF THE TOWN WAS SUPPORTIVE RIGHT.
OF THE DOT TAKING A LOOK AT IT.
AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE THE POSITION, WE CAN DO THAT IN THE FIND.
WE CAN DO THAT IN THE FINDINGS.
AND, AND THE APPLICANT COULD ALSO SAY WHEN THEY WRITE TO DOT THAT THEY WERE REQUESTED BY THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD.
SO IT, IT LENDS THE WAYS WE'LL DO THAT.
WE CAN DO THAT RECOMMENDATION OF FINDINGS.
UM, WITH REGARD TO, TO THE THREE SPACES, UH, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED.
UM, THE REQUEST, THE, THE, THE THREE SPACES CLOSEST TO US IN THE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE, UM, ARE PRETTY MUCH CLOSEST TO THE DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKING AREA ARE RESTRICTED FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY.
AND, UH, JESSE WAS CORRECT IN SAYING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S NARROW THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE.
AND THE, THE THOUGHT OF THE BOARD WAS IF THERE'S STAFF PARKING THERE, THEY'D BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE WON'T BE MUCH COMING AND GOING.
THERE'S LESS LIKELY TO BE AN INCIDENT.
THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL RESOLUTION SAID THAT THE BOARD SHOULD LOOK IN THE FUTURE AS TO WHETHER THE NEXT THREE SPACES, NOT THESE THREE, BUT THE NEXT THREE SHOULD MAYBE ALSO BE RESTRICTED.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR.
IN MY OPINION, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO, YOU SEE THAT IT'S NOT USED BY STAFF.
IT'S USED BY, UH, PARENTS AND THEY, THEY'VE HAD NO INCIDENTS.
SO IT HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF WORKING SO TO THE FIRST INSTANCE WHERE WHETHER THIS BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER EXTENDING THE EMPLOYEE PARKING FOR THREE MORE SPACES.
I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR THAT FOR SURE.
AND THEN WITH REGARD TO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S CURRENT REQUEST, WHICH IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION, YOU GO FOR A SITE PLAN APPLICATION THAT YOU REMOVE THIS RESTRICTION, UM, THE EVIDENCE WOULD SUPPORT THAT IT'S OPERATING SAFELY AND IT'S CONVENIENT FOR, UH, THE, UH, THE CUSTOMERS AND THE PARENTS.
UM, IT STILL DOES MAKE SENSE FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU PUT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY AT THE BUSIEST POINT, BUT IT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED ANYWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER, HOW IMPORTANT THAT ISSUE IS TO THEM.
I MEAN, ONE THING I'M NOT SEEING, AND I HAVEN'T WATCHED THE WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING TO END IS A LOT OF CONGESTION THERE.
IT'S USUALLY A CAR COMES IN, IT GOES AND IT'S EMPTY FOR A WHILE AND SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN.
AND I, WHEN I VIEWED IT, I LOOKED AT THE SAME THING TO SEE HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE ARRIVING OR DEPARTING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND TYPICALLY AT MOST IT'S ABOUT TWO.
SO YOU'D HAVE ONE PERSON COMING IN AND ONE PERSON GOING OUT AND IS NOT THAT BUSY.
AND AS A PARENT WHO, YOU KNOW, HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS FOR A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS, I CAN UNDERSTAND WANTING TO GO TO THE CLOSEST SPOT NEAREST THE DOOR RATHER THAN ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE KID GONNA LUG THE CHILD, ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE KID.
WEATHER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, YEP.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY FINDING BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
UH, IF JESSE WANTS TO ADD TO THAT OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, CAN YOU? THANK YOU, JOHN.
TRAFFIC WISE, CAN YOU MAKE A LINEAR CA UH, CALCULATION THAT SAID, OKAY, AT, AT THIS SPACE THERE, PICK A NUMBER.
THERE'S FIVE CARS THAT COME IN.
COULD YOU JUST MAKE A, IS IT REASONABLE ACCORDING TO TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CARS AND INCREASE THAT BY 50% AND SAY THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WILL ACTUALLY USE THE FRONT.
THE, THE, THE AREA WHERE IT STARTS TO DEPART FROM THAT LOGIC IS IF THIS, THE, THE SPACES
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GET FULL UP AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR YOU TO GO THERE, THEN YOU'RE JUST GONNA GO FURTHER AWAY.SO IF THE SPACES ARE, IF IF EVERY TIME YOU ARRIVE AND THERE'S A SPACE THERE IN THOSE THREE OR FOUR SPACES, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO PARK THERE.
AND IF WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ENROLLED BY 50%, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT PARK THERE WILL INCREASE BY 50%.
UNLESS YOU END UP WITH LIKE, WHEN YOU ARRIVE, THERE ISN'T A SPACE.
BUT I'M SAYING WITH THAT ASSUMPTION.
OH, DO YOU MEAN ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? NO.
OR JUST NO, WE'RE TALKING NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW THE, THE PARENTS ARE USING THAT SPACE AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
MY QUESTION IS NOW IF YOU GET A 50% INCREASE, WILL YOU GET CONGESTION IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE? ARE THE PARENTS INCLINED TO WAIT FOR THE SPACES TO CLEAR UP WHEN UNLESS THE WEATHER'S BAD, THEY WON'T.
SO WHETHER I'M SAYING WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE NOT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THE SPACE STILL BE AVAILABLE.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, I THINK IS THE AN THE ANSWER BECAUSE AGAIN, THINGS CHANGE ALSO.
SO NOT ONLY WILL THEY BE INCREASING THE 50%, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE KID LEAVES THAT'S FULL DAY AND TWO OTHERS COME IN THAT ARE HALF DAYS, YOU KNOW, THE VARIABLES ARE GONNA BE CONSTANTLY CHANGING ON THE SITE PLAN, THE FIRST THREE SPACES WERE A DESIGNATED EMPLOYEE, THEN THE NEXT 10 WERE FOR DROP OFF.
THAT'S LIKE A TYPICAL DROP OFF NUMBER FOR THIS SIZE.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE'S STILL THREE MORE SPACES IN THE FRONT.
THERE'S 16 TOTAL SPACE IN FRONT.
SO IF ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING USED FOR DROP OFF, LIKE UNLESS IT'S AN EVENT DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE HALLOWEEN PARADE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE KIDS, ALL OF THOSE SPACE THERE, THERE WOULD BE SPACE FOR OKAY, THAT MY POINT.
THERE'LL STILL BE SPACES FOR THE OTHER THING WITH USE IN PARTICULAR, UM, AN INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT WITH STUDENTS ISN'T ALWAYS DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO ANOTHER CAR COMING SAY CARPOOL BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE KIDS IN ONE FAMILY, WHEN WE STARTED THIS APPLICATION, 2020, I HAD ZERO KIDS.
SO I AM WELL IN THE, UH, ROWES OF DROP OFF IN PICKUP.
CURRENT HAD QUESTION, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON, WALTER WAS SAYING THAT, IS THAT ORIGINALLY PROPOSED DROP OFF, UH, UH, AND PICK UP LOCATIONS, HOW MUCH THAT WILL BE IMPACTED WITH THE INCREASE OF THE ENROLLMENT? SO I THINK YOU SAW ON THE VIDEO, LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, THERE'S 10 DEDICATED PICKUP AND DROPOFFS SPACES 16 TOTAL, BUT THERE'S 16 TOTAL SPACES THERE THAT WOULD BE USED.
THE 10 ARE NOT FULL, I THINK ONCE IN THAT VIDEO.
BUT I WOULD EXPECT THE 10 TO BE FULL AT FULL ENROLLMENT.
BUT WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER SIX SPACES IN THE FRONT THERE.
SO, SO, SO THEN, THEN THE QUESTION IS THAT THE MOST OF THE KIND OF, UH, DISCOMFORT WE HAD WAS THE FIRST THREE SPACES THAT WOULD BE SORT OF, UH, UH, A BIT DIFFICULT OR WHATEVER THE REASON.
UH, SO MY QUESTION IS THAT COULD YOU REDUCE THAT TO MAYBE ONE, BECAUSE IN ANY THREE IT'S STILL PEOPLE.
WHENEVER IT'S A FOOL, THE PARENTS GO AND DROP OFF OFF AT THE REMAINING 10.
WHY WOULD YOU REDUCE IT TO ONE INSTEAD OF ZERO? OR, OR, OR MAYBE NONE.
I'M, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.
NO, BUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY, THEY STILL WANTS TO HAVE A NON NO, NO, NO, THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE STAFF.
THEY ELIMINATE, THEY WANNA ELIMINATE THE STATUS EMPLOYEE.
SO IT'LL BE A TOTAL OF 16 THEN AVAILABLE FOR PICK UP AND DROP OFF.
THE VIDEO SHOWED THAT PEOPLE WERE USING, USING IT AS PICK AND DROP OFF AND PARENTS STILL HAVE THAT ACCESSIBILITY TO THE FRONT AND THEY WOULDN'T WHEN YOU EXPAND.
AND THEY ANSWER THAT, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO, SO THE, I MEAN, SO IF YOU CAN VISUALLY, I MEAN, OR GRAPHICALLY SHOW THAT, HOW DOES THAT SPACE WOULD BE DESIGNATED BECAUSE IT'S, THERE IS NO, WELL, I, I THINK I CAN CLEAR IT.
SO IF, IF THAT'S JUST LIKE YOU TAKE OUT THAT SORT OF WHITE LINES TO HAVE DESIGN THE SPACES.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, NO, THERE'LL STILL BE SPACES.
RIGHT NOW THEY WERE SIGNED A SIGN ON THE WALL THAT SAYS REPORT.
SO YOU ORDER TO TAKE OFF THE SIGNS YEAH, THE RESTRICTION.
SO I'M WAS GOING TO GO FURTHER AND IF YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE THAT SPACES AND MAYBE, MAYBE PUT US SOME LANDSCAPING OR MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE HAVE A SPACE.
NO, NO, LEMME JUST, LEMME JUST FINISH UP PLEASE.
SO MY QUESTION IS THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS A
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CHALK POINT FOR GETTING IN AND OUT AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE TELLING YOU TO DO THIS OR THAT.SO IF YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY WHAT PROPOSAL THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE.
SO, SO THE, LET ME JUST FINISH PLEASE.
SO MY REQUEST IS THAT IF YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IMPACT WOULD BE IF IT IS NOT A PARKING SPACE AT ALL.
THE, THE THE PARKING SPACE IS YOU, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THEM, NOT TO ME.
WELL I PROPOSED WHAT I WANTED TO THE OPPOSITE.
YOU GO HUNT TALK IT, IT WAS DESIGNATED AS EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE BEGINNING AND IT WAS LIMITED BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE A POTENTIAL CHOKE POINT.
NOW THAT THEY'VE REALIZED NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION TO RULES AND IT'S NOT A CHOKE POINT, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT LIMITATION TO BE REMOVED TO GIVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
AND WHAT COR IS SAYING IS IF IT'S JUST EXPLORE ELIMINATING THE THREE AND TURNING IT INTO GRASS.
I HEARD THAT LESLIE, GO AHEAD.
UM, MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE PARKING VARIANCE.
UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID THAT UH, 45 IS WHERE THEY ARE NOW, RIGHT? WITH THE PARKING 45 EXISTING.
SO DO WE KNOW, HE MENTIONED HALLOWEEN EVENTS AND OTHER EVENTS.
WHAT IS THE, CAPACITY'S A GOOD QUESTION OF THE PARKING DURING EVENTS AND WILL THAT 45 BE SUFFICIENT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE, IN THE EVENTS WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS, THE BACK PARKING LOT IS BIG ENOUGH TO BE SET UP TO KIND OF STAGE SOME PARKING.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME CONES AND DIRECT THE PARENTS DURING THOSE TIMES.
SO YOU'D STACK THE CARS IN THE BACK, BACK BASICALLY.
AND HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO THOSE EVENTS? AT MY DAYCARE, IT'S, IT'S HALLOWEEN AND MAYBE LIKE A GRADUATION FOR THE OLDER GRADES.
AND EVEN THE HALLOWEEN IS NOT THE, THE OLDER GRADES DON'T DO IT.
SO IT'S NOT THE FULL SCHOOL THAT DOES THOSE.
UM, THE OTHER THING WITH THIS SITE IS WE WERE FOCUSING ON WHERE WE HAVE THOSE EMPLOYEE DESIGNATED SPACES IN THE FRONT, UM, AS A, AS A CHOKE POINT.
BUT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT ALSO GETS WIDER AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT AND THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES OUT TO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE IS WIDE.
WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK, WE HAVE IT STRIPED AS WELL.
SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD PARK IT ALONG WAY.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL ROOM FOR PARKING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA STRIPE IT 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT PARKING, YOU KNOW, AT OTHER TIMES.
BUT THERE IS SPACE ON THE SITE TO FIT THOSE CARS DURING, DURING THOSE EVENTS.
IT ALSO MAY HAVE A FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT ISSUE IF YOU HAD CARS ALONG THAT, THAT ROAD
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF LIKE THAT BACK AREA BEHIND THE BUILDING TOO, WHERE STAFF COULD ALSO PARK ADDITIONAL CARS.
ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, NO, I, I THINK BASED ON THE STUDY, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, TO, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, I HAVE TO, TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE, TO, TO THE CLIENT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A CHANGE SINCE THE LAST WE'VE CHANGED, WE'VE CHANGED OUR POLICY A BIT.
AND THIS IS IN DISCUSSION WITH THE ZONING BOARD TOO.
WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO IS THE ONLY TIME WE GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD NOW IS IF THERE'S A TRUE PLANNING REASON WHY THAT VARIANCE NEED IS NEEDED.
THIS IS A CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE EXPANDING.
GIVEN THAT IT REALLY IS UP TO THE ZONING BOARD, NOT US TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS A MOTION GIVEN JOHN, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR VERY NICE SUMMARY AS WELL.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS WE DO A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER, IN THE NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
SAY THAT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR, UH, TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT MAKE A FINDING THAT WE DID, WE, WE BELIEVE THIS IS DOABLE EVEN WITH THIS VARIANCE, JUST SAY THAT, BUT WITHOUT GIVING A POSITIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD RECOMMEND.
I I THINK WE COULD ALSO REFER TO, UH, JOHN'S MEMO.
WHICH SORT OF SUMMARIZES THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC.
YOU CAN ATTACH IT TO THE RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD GO WITH A NEUTRAL, MAINLY BECAUSE WE AS A PLANNING BOARD LOOKED
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AT THIS AND WE SAY, AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO, UH, WE HAVE THIS PERIOD WHERE YOU ONLY WILL BE LIMITED TO 1 0 5 AND IF ALL THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS ARE SATISFIED COME BACK AND THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER 1 52.SO I THINK AS A PLANNING BOARD, WE WERE AT LEAST, I WAS REALLY COMMITTED TO THIS PLAN OF, OF EVENTUALLY COMING TO 1 52.
IF THEY COULD DEMONSTRATE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ISSUE, NOW THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ISSUE.
THEREFORE, I BE INCLINED TO GIVE IT A POSITIVE.
HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL? CAN I JUST HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS? POSITIVE? I, I I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S A FOLLOW UP TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
AS LONG AS JOHANN'S POSITIVE, AS LONG AS JOHAN'S, IT HELPS
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE BOARD, AND YOU CAN VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE, STRAW VOTE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO VOTE POSITIVE? HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO VOTE NEUTRAL? I, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS NO REASON TO.
UH, IF THEY, THEY SAW THE FIRST TIME THEY GIVE YOU, UH, APPROVAL, THEY WILL GIVE IT AGAIN.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE RULES THAT WAY.
HE'S TELLING YOU, PARLIAMENTARIANS TELLING YOU HE'S A YOUNG MAN.
WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION LAST TIME? THE POSITIVE? IT WAS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND WHAT WALTER WAS SAYING, IT WAS WHEN HE WAS CHAIR FOR THE RECORD, NOT ME, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
WHY HE TALKING TO YOU? THAT WE ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO REVIEWING THIS AGAIN AF AFTER, UM, THE GETTING EXPERIENCE WITH IT AND IT AND, AND TO MAKE CONSIDER THE INCREASE.
THAT'S WHY WALTER'S YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WALTER'S POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WE SAID COME BACK IF YOU COULD BRING US THIS YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU 152.
THEY CAME BACK, THEY BROUGHT US THIS JOHN CORROBOR.
I MEAN THERE SOMETHING VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
CAN I HAVE THE MOTION THEN MICHAEL MOVE UH, MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND IS WALTER ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, WALTER? GOOD, GOOD POINT.
SO WE'LL REFERENCE, UM, AND INCLUDE AS AN ATTACHMENT THE JOHN CANNING.
I ALSO REFER TO ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, TO EXPLAIN WHY IT'S POSITIVE APPROVAL YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU CAN COME BACK IN A FEW YEARS AND SHOW US THAT YOU CAN INCREASE, THAT'S THE NUMBER BE ORIGINALLY WANTED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
DID YOU JUST, ONE THING JOHN HAD MENTIONED IN HIS MEMO, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY, BUT DID YOU WANT TO INCLUDE ANY LANGUAGE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE SUBMISSION WE'RE GONNA SEND TO DOT AT ALL? THAT'S BUT THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE, THAT'S THAT'S OUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S OUR PROBLEM'S, OUR PROBLEM.
AND THEN DO WE INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF THE RESTRICTION ON THOSE THREE SPACES? UH, IS THAT A ZONING THING OR IS A PLAN? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S IT'S BE IT'S IT'S A PLANNING ISSUE.
IT'S A PLANNING ISSUE CONSIDERED WHEN WE DO THIS, WHEN WE VOTE ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT WE'LL, WE'LL WE'D REMOVE THAT'S WHEN WE VOTE ON REMOVING THAT.
SO, UH, IS THAT AFTER THE ZONING BOARD RULES? AFTER WE, WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION TILL AFTER THE ZONING BOARD.
SO WHEN IS THE ZONING BOARD? THE ZONING BOARD? THE 20TH.
AND SO WE'RE AUGUST 5TH OR SOMETHING, SO NO.
SO LET ME BACK UP FOR A JULY MEETING.
LEMME BACK, LEMME BACK UP FOR A NO, WE BE BEFORE THEN.
SO, SO BEFORE THE CBAS MEETING ON THE 20TH OF JUNE.
DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GOES, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A PUBLIC, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO DEPENDING ON OUR SCHEDULE, WE HAVE A MONDAY MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TIMING.
COULD THERE POTENTIALLY BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 1ST WITH THE DECISION ON THE 17TH? I WOULD, I DON'T BELIEVE THE ZONING, ZONING BOARD GENERALLY DOES NOT MAKE THE DECISION THE SAME NIGHT.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, THEY TAKE A STRAW POLL THEN, THEN THEY WRITE UP THE DECISION AND THEN THEY VOTE ON IT OFFICIALLY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO THEY'RE NOT, MY GUESS IS YOU'RE NOT GET GET, GET IT TILL JULY 20TH.
WHICH MEAN, BUT HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU.
IS THERE SOME REASON WE CAN'T DO THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ADVANCE OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON IN THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST? YEAH, WE COULD.
THERE'S NO REASON WE COULDN'T.
AND THAT'S BASED ON OUR READ OF HOW THINGS GO WITH THE ZBA.
SO LET'S WAIT TO THAT ON THE 20TH.
SO THAT WOULD, AND I'M GONNA REPORT BACK IF REPORT TO US ON THE 20TH.
DO WE HAVE TIME TO NOTICE IT? NO, FOR THE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THE JULY 1ST.
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HAVE TO, THE SECOND MEETING SHALL WELL, A QUESTION, CAN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD ISSUES? ITS DECISION.THAT'S WHO WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING IS JUST TRYING TO SKETCH UP, WHILE THE ZBA TYPICALLY DOESN'T RENDER A DECISION THE SAME NIGHT, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY STAND.
THIS IS AN, AN AMENDMENT OF, YOU KNOW, A PRIOR ZBA DECISION.
SO, WELL, IF THEY DO, IT'S EVEN BETTER.
IF THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY RULE IN ONE.
IT'S, IT'S, IF THEY DO, IT'S EVEN BETTER.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD.
THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS REPORT TO BACK TO US.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME FOR NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
BUT FIRST ARE YOU SURE IF YOU, IF THEY DO IT ON THE 20TH? WELL WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, WE COULD TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE THIS AND GET IT SET UP FOR NOTICING.
AND IF FOR ANY REASON WE NEED TO PULL IT, WE COULD PULL WELL WHEN, WHAT, WHAT IS THE DROP DEAD DATE FOR NOTICING FOR THE FIRST IS A QUESTION I HAVE.
YEAH, WE'LL CHECK WHY DON DOT WE EVEN WORRY ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHY DON'T YOU JUST, YOU DON'T NOT RUSH FOR IT BECAUSE WHY DON'T YOU JUST NOTICE IT FOR THE FIRST.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT CANCEL DROPPED AND THEN WE CAN CANCEL IT IT AND THEN CANCEL IT.
I'M GLAD YOU BACKED ME UP ON THAT.
NO, I JUST SAID IT TWO MINUTES AGO.
SO, SO NOTICE IF LET'S DO THAT.
WELL NOTICE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 1ST TO KEEP THE THING ROLLING.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU WON'T GUYS WANNA DO IT.
YOU HAVE FALL ENROLLMENT COMING UP.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO YES.
I MEAN WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SUMMER ENROLLMENT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE WON'T, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN, I MEAN WE MEET TWICE A MONTH.
THEY DON'T, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THAT THAT'S, WE CAN'T, WE JUST CAN'T FINALIZE IT WITHOUT THAT.
AND I'LL, I'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING ON THE 20TH WITH THE ZBA.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL GET IT OUT THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY WITH THE NOTICE PERIOD.
WE CAN ALWAYS CANCEL IT ON JO JUNE 21ST OR DELAY, DELAY IT DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS.
AND YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF CONVINCING.
BY THE WAY, OUR OLD TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WHEN HE ACTUALLY SHOWED UP, BROUGHT COOKIES JUST SAYING.