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WELCOME TO OUR, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING WORK SESSION.
IT'S JULY 9TH AND, UM, IT'S 5 36.
AND FIRST ITEM IS, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING BERG'S REQUEST TO, UM, HAVE CANVASSING IN IN THE TOWN.
UM, I HAD MET AND JOE DANKO, WE BOTH MET WITH, UH, BLAIR HORNER FROM BERG, UM, LAST YEAR, I GUESS, AND I THINK EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AND JOE, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS? GOOD EVENING SUPERVISOR AND TOWN BOARD.
I, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT BY NIGHT PERF, BUT YEAH, ME TOO.
MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THEY CAN MAKE A PRESENTATION.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME COMMITMENTS FROM THEM AS TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA OPERATE, IF THEY'RE GONNA OPERATE.
AND I WILL SAY I DO RECALL THAT MEETING.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, TERRENCE, CAN YOU INCREASE THE, UH, THE AUDIO IN THE AUDITORIUM? PLEASE TRY IT AGAIN.
LET'S, YEAH, I, I DO RECALL THAT MEETING SUPERVISOR, AND I DO RECALL THERE WERE SOME PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT POTENTIALLY CHANGING OUR LOCAL LAW THAT DEALS WITH CANVASSERS AND SOLICITORS.
UM, SO I COULD PROVIDE SOME LEGAL GUIDANCE ON THAT AS WELL, UM, AND EXECUTIVE SESSION.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HEAR PRESENTATION FROM BERG, THE DIRECTLY.
SO WE COULD ASK JOAN TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH BERG.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? JOE, COULD YOU SEND, UH, KIMBERLY A MEETING ID AND PASSCODE? YES.
UM, AS PART OF MY, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, I AM SUPPOSED TO GIVE, UH, CANVASSING, UM, PERMITS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD FALL UNDER MY PURVIEW AFTER THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST THOUGH.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST WHERE THEY WERE SO AGGRESSIVE THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS HAVING A BACK, A PARTY IN THE BACKYARD AND NOBODY ANSWERED THE FRONT DOOR, THEY WOULD LOOK IN THE WINDOWS.
AND THEN IF THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL, THEY WOULD OPEN UP.
I KNOW THIS PERSONALLY, THEY WOULD OPEN UP THE GATE AND GO IN THE BACK WHERE THE PARTY WAS AND THEN ASK FOR MONEY AMONG THE GUESTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE, IT'S ONE THING TO KNOCK ON A DOOR, YOU KNOW? UH, IT'S ANOTHER TO, UM, INVADE PEOPLES INVADE PUBLIC SPACE IN PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
SO BASICALLY, UH, JOE, ARE WE ABLE TO, UM, IF WE AUTHORIZE THIS, ARE WE ABLE TO PUT CONDITIONS IN TERMS OF LIMITING, UH, THE HOURS OF THE DAY, UM, THE HOURS OF THE WEEKEND, AND BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UH, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS.
YOU CAN'T GO IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.
YOU CAN TAKE A LADDER AND CLIMB UP THE ROOF, NOT THE LADDER.
WE, WE, WE COULD MAKE, UM, REASONABLE, UM, CONDITIONS AS PART OF THAT LOCAL LAW.
BUT YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO START DRAFTING THAT AND REALLY WORK OUT EACH OF THOSE CONDITIONS AND LET'S SEE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING AND HOW, IF WE AUTHORIZE IT, IS IT BA COULD WE DO IT FOR ONE SEASON AND THEN SEE HOW IT WORKS? UM, AND IF THERE'S COMPLAINTS, LET THEM KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE RENEWED.
SO IT WOULDN'T ONLY APPLY TO NYBERG, IT APPLY TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO CANVAS.
AND YOU COULD PUT A SUNSET OR PROVISION TO ALLOW FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD IF YOU FIND RIGHT.
MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS, IF I RECALL, CAME IN THE WINTER TIME WHEN, IF THE PERMIT SAYS UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AS, YOU KNOW, IN THE WINTER TIME, FIVE 30 IT'S DARK AND SOMEBODY DOWN KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN DECEMBER VERSUS IN JUNE, JULY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE CONDITIONS, UH, SHOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, DAYLIGHT
UH, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE, UH, ON THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL SPACESHIP
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, WHICH IS WHY I RAISED MY HAND.
DID YOU DO ROLL CALL OR DID I MISS THAT? NO, THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION WE DON'T USUALLY DO ROLL CALL.
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INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION IS 260 MILES UP.EARTH COMMUNICATIONS, EARTH TO JOY.
I HAVE AN APP THAT TRACKS IT, AND THEN I LOOK UP AS IT'S GOING OVER.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY COOL.
SO YOU WANNA DO GENDER REVIEW? OKAY.
WE'LL DO A GENDER REVIEW COMING.
SO WE'LL JUST CIRCLE BACK AROUND.
DO WE HAVE TO, UM, ASK, UM, UH, KIMBERLY, UM, TO GO ON ZOOM OR, UH, WELL, SHE'S TRYING TO COME IN ON ZOOM, BUT AGAIN, SHE'S NOT, SHE'S NOT FEELING WELL.
SHE'S NOT FEELING WELL, SO UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING URGENT.
NO, I'M JUST ASKING YOU HONOR.
UM, THE ONLY ISSUE YOU KNOW I HAVE IS, UM, THE
THAT'S, UH, THE RESOLUTION PROHIBITING MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT RENDERED DECISIONS ON LAND USE APPLICATIONS FROM BEING DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, OR KEY PERSONS OR RELATED PARTIES OF ORGANIZATIONS WHOSE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS INVOLVE LAND USE INITIATIVES THAT COME BEFORE US AT BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
SO I'M, UM, ASKING IF WE COULD RESPECT THEIR, UH, REQUEST AND, UM, AND PUT IT ON THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PURSUE, I'LL PUT IT ON THE AUGUST AGENDA, AND THIS WAY WE'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE ETHICS BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS.
WELL, THIS WAS ON THE PRIOR AGENDA.
IT WAS, YOU HELD IT OVER TO THIS AGENDA.
THIS IS REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN COMMENTS THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, BUT IT'S NOT, WE HAVE LEGAL OPINION TO TELL US THAT THIS IS NOT CHANGING THE ETHICS CODE.
UH, WE HAVE LEGAL OPINION TO, UH, THAT'S TELLING US THAT.
WHERE DID YOU GET THE LEGAL OPINION COUNTER ATTORNEY? I, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OPINION.
NO, I'M ASKING JOE IF, UH, HE DID.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR WEEKS, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I HAD ASKED FOR A WRITTEN OPINION.
I, I COULD PROVIDE A WRITTEN OPINION AND I COULD PROVIDE LEGAL COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION AS WELL.
BEEN OUT SICK TODAY, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO WORK ON THAT.
WHEN DID YOU ASK FOR A WRITTEN OPINION? I ASKED, UH, I SENT TWO EMAILS TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY ASKING FOR A WRITTEN OPINION.
AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY PROVIDED A WRITTEN NO, NO, WE GOT, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A RESPONSE.
I ONCE SO OUT TODAY, WE, I MEAN HE PROVIDED HIS OPINION.
I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S VERBAL OR, OR WRITTEN.
I MEAN, HE PROVIDED HIS, HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
THERE'S, THE TOWN ATTORNEY WENT TO THE ETHICS BOARD AND TOLD THE ETHICS BOARD THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL, YOU OF COURSE IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED TO THE ETHICS BOARD.
BUT THE TOWN ATTORNEY WENT TO THE ETHICS BOARD AND SAID THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO OPINE ON THIS.
AND THEY CHOSE NOT TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ABOUT THIS.
AND WE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT THIS IS NOT A CHANGE OF THE ETHICS CODE.
UM, GARRETT, DUANE WROTE A LETTER.
HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HIS LETTER, AND THE ETHICS BOARD DECIDED WE'RE JUST GONNA GO BY THE LETTER.
THE, UH, TOWN ATTORNEY WAS THERE.
THEY DIDN'T, THE ETHICS BOARD DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE CHARGE OF THIS GROUP, BUT THEY MADE A DECISION ANYWAY, HAVING TO FORMALIZE IT THIS COMING, COMING MEETING COMING UP.
UM, SO WE MADE A SIMPLE REQUEST TO, FOR THE ETHICS BOARD TO WAIT SO THAT WE COULD TELL THEM HOW THIS IS NOT CHANGING THE ETHICS CODE, BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO.
NOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO OPINE ON OUR RESOLUTION WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY TELLING US IT'S NOT A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT ISSUE.
IT'S NOT AN ETHICS CODE CHANGE.
BUT WHAT ELSE IS THERE? WELL, AND IT WASN'T DONE IN SECRET BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE DISCUSSION WERE PRESENT.
WE RAISED THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSING IT WITH A TOWN ATTORNEY WHO CAN CONFIRM THIS.
LET ME AND YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ON YOUR EMAILS OR WHAT, BUT YOU WERE PRESENT AT LEAST THREE TIMES ON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T RECALL DISCUSSING TB ONE.
I I I'M SAYING LEMME JUST SAY, LEMME JUST SAY I'M NOT, I DON'T RECALL.
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I DON'T RECALL THAT.BUT LET ME SAY THAT RIGHT NOW, THE PUBLIC FIRST HEARD OF TB ONE AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE WAS NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
SO I FEEL THAT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING TWO WEEKS AGO, RIGHT? TWO WEEKS AGO.
BUT IT'S NOT NOTICE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHATEVER THE BOARD WANTS TO DO IS PROCESS.
THAT'S WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE DID FOLLOW OUR PROCESS.
OUR PROCESS WAS PROCESS ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
LEMME JUST SAY THERE WAS A NOTE THAT IT WAS, THERE'S AN INDICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BEING NOT FOR FORTHCOMING OR, OR NOT TRANSPARENT OR UNDERHANDED OR YOU THINK ALL OTHER WORDS THAT WE'VE BEEN SAID THAT WE HAVE BEEN, BUT I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE, AND EVERYONE IS CLEAR THAT WE FOLLOW OUR PROCESS, THAT WE ALWAYS FOLLOW EVERY, ANYTIME WE PUT OUR RESOLUTION ON, ON BOARD.
LEMME JUST LET ME JUST, AND IT DOES NOT CALL OUT FOR, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT, IT'S, SO THIS RESOLUTION, I THINK IT'S UPSETTING FOR ALL OF US JUST BY THE, JUST BY HOW THIS RESOLUTION IS COMING ABOUT AND, AND THINGS THAT HAS BEEN SAID VIA THE EMAILS, YOUR LETTER NOT, NOT ALLOWING THE TOWN COUNCIL TO HAVE A CHANCE TO ALPINE AS WELL, OR TAKING CONSIDERATION OF THE, UM, UH, COMMISSION OF MR. GARRIS TIME TITLE, OUR COMMISSION, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS, THAT, THAT, THAT FOR US IS, IS, IS JUST VERY UPSETTING.
AND, AND THEN ALSO TO SAY THAT WE'RE AGAINST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE AGAINST, WE ARE AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AGAIN, AS I'M, AS I'M, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD NOT, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO HAVE A A SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE.
WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A CONVERSATION OF TRUTH.
AND I'M NOT SURE, I MEAN, YOUR YOUR YOUR LETTER WAS VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE NOT, UM, INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR CARE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LETTING THIS PARTICULAR THING GO PAST.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR THING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ANY ONE GROUP.
WE'RE NOT JUST SINGLING OUT THIS PARTICULAR GROUP.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR LETTER REFERENCED.
AND THE FACT THAT THE, THE BOARD OF ETHICS IS NOT GIVEN US AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT EXPECT THEM US, TO US TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN, IS NOT FAIR.
SO FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THESE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WHO BASICALLY WANNA FORM A NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT WOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND, UM, THEY BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEMBERS ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ACCESSORY DEVELOP AS, AS EVERYBODY IS THANK YOU.
SO THIS BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION PROHIBITS ANYONE WHO'S ON A TOWN BOARD AND COMMITTEE.
AND I ASSUME THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF US.
UM, BECAUSE, SO THE THING IS NO MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, NO MEMBER OF PLANNING BOARD, NO MEMBER OF THE ZONING BOARD COULD BE INVOLVED IN A NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT IS ADVOCATING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NO, THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT IT SAYS.
THAT IS NOT, NOT WHAT THAT SAYS.
WELL, THAT, AND THAT'S NOT THE IMPLICATION.
NO, WELL, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE TIME ATTORNEY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE, JOE, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE OVER THE PRESENTATION, EXPLAIN AND GIVE YOUR OPINION AS WELL, PLEASE.
SO I, I THINK EVERYONE ON THE TOWN BOARD WOULD AGREE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND SOMETHING THAT ALL MUNICIPALITY SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY.
UM, THIS RESOLUTION WOULD NOT STOP, UM, THAT FEELING AND NOT STOP THAT DETERMINATION THAT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF ANY MUNICIPALITY.
HOWEVER, WHAT IT DOES IS IT STATES THAT SOMEONE WHO IS ON THE PLANNING BOARD OR ZONING BOARD, OR ANY OTHER BOARD OR COMMITTEE WITHIN A TOWN WITH THE CANNOT ALSO BE A DIRECTOR OFFICER OR A KEY PERSON, UM, AS A PART OF AN ORGANIZATION WHOSE PRIMARY FUNCTION ARE LAND USE INITIATIVES.
SO THE GOAL IS TO STOP ANY CONFLICT OR A PERCEIVED CONFLICT FROM OCCURRING THAT SOMEONE IS A MEMBER OF BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.
AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE THE ORGANIZATIONS, THEY HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD, AND THEY HAVE A 5 0 1 C3 WHO DEALS WITH GETTING GRANTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE FROM OUR REVIEW MEMBERS WHO ARE ON BOTH BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE CONFLICT ARISES, IN MY OPINION.
BUT WHY CAN'T YOU, IF WE, WHY CAN'T YOU, IF WE HAVE AN, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IF WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE ETHICS BOARD BASICALLY SAYING, PLEASE HOLD OFF UNTIL AFTER WE COULD DISCUSS
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THIS TILL JULY 15TH WHEN THEY'RE HAVING A MEETING.SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, TODAY IS JULY, UM, 10TH, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITHIN A WEEK.
SO WHY CAN'T WE LET THEM, UM, UH, REVIEW THE RESOLUTION, UM, TO GIVE US AN OPINION? UM, UH, WE COULD ASK AS A BOARD TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOARD MEMBERS TO MEET WITH THEM TO EXPRESS, UH, YOUR, YOUR VIEWS.
UM, IF YOU THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT, YOU KNOW, GREAT LAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD COULD MEET WITH THEM AND, AND HIGHLIGHT WHY THEY THINK THE LAW IS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR, OR WHATEVER, THEN THE ETHICS BOARD COULD GIVE US THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OR THEY MAY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO IMPOSE, UM, UH, SPECIFIC, UM, CONDITIONS, UM, OR LIMITATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, DO SOME MODIFICATIONS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL GO ALONG WITH WHAT ETHICS BOARD, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ETHICS BOARD, AND I DON'T WANT THE BO THE TOWN BOARD TO BE IN VIOLATION OF, UH, AN ETHICS BOARD RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE MAKING WE'RE, BUT IT'S OKAY FOR ETHICS.
WELL, BUT PAUL, WE ALSO HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE A TOWN ATTORNEY WHO HAS RENDERED AN OPINION, RIGHT? AND IN ADDITION TO ETHICS BOARD, I THINK WE'RE GOING AROUND IN, WE'RE GOING AROUND CIRCLES.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES HERE.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY, I JUST WANNA JUDGE, I JUST BEFORE JOE, JUST BEFORE, JUST BEFORE, CAN I JUST MAKE JUST ONE OBSERVATION, I JUST WISH IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU WOULD BE JUST AS AN ADVOCATE FOR THIS TOWN BOARD AS YOU ARE FOR OTHER, OTHER COMMITTEES OR OTHER GROUPS AROUND THE TOWN AND THE OPINIONS OF OUR TOWN STAFF.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, VERY, IT'S EACH TIME THAT WE WE'RE HERE AND THEN YOU, YOU'LL FIGHT FOR EVERYONE ELSE, BUT NOT, NOT WHO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH.
SO THIS HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING BACK.
YOU HAVE THE EMAILS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSS DISCUSSIONS AND, AND, AND A FEW IN A FEW EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, WHICH MEANS NOT JUST ONE, BUT A FEW EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
BUT I REALLY WISH THAT YOU WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THIS TOWN BOARD AS YOU ADVOCATE FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
WELL, I'M SAYING IS I'VE, I'VE BEEN AN ENACT POLITICAL ACTIVIST SINCE I'VE BEEN 12 YEAR, 13 YEARS OLD.
NO, YOU'VE TOLD ME YOUR HISTORY.
SO THE THING IS, I HONESTLY BELIEVE, UH, THAT THIS RESOLUTION IF ADOPTED, WILL DISCOURAGE VOLUNTEERS FROM PARTICIPATING IN, IN GOVERNMENT.
I THINK, AND THAT'S, SO I DON'T, I THINK IF YOU EXPLAIN THE, THE RESOLUTION AS IT IS WRITTEN CORRECTLY, OR ALLOW THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO EXPLAIN IT HOW IT'S, WHICH HE'S ALREADY DONE AND NOT GIVE THIS IMPRESSION, YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID IT WAS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAT YOU WERE, THAT YOU WERE AGAINST.
NOW I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS RESOLUTION MEANS OR WHAT IT STANDS FOR, BUT IT'S NOT FOR WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE IF YOU WANNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY SEPARATELY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS BEFORE YOU RENDER YOUR OPINION THAT YOU AGREE THAT YOU, YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.
THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, THOUGHT I HAVE IS THAT TB ONE IS A RESOLUTION.
THERE'S NO RESOLUTIONS, DON'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVISIONS.
SO IF THE BOARD BASICALLY FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT IT, UM, THEY, IT SHOULD BE A LOCAL LAW AND IT SHOULD BE BASICALLY SUBJECT TO, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CRE POSTED AS A A PROPOSAL.
DO WE PUT UP POLICIES? DO WE, AS OUR POLICIES GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THE TOWN POLICY.
I JUST WANTED TO FINISH MY QUESTION.
IS THE TOWN POLICY, DOES THAT GO THROUGH, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS THE SAME PROCESS AS THE LOCAL LAW? IT HAS NOT IN THE PAST, NO.
THERE'S NO, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT FOR THE FUTURE, NO, I GUESS OKAY.
YOU ALWAYS SAY WE CAN HAVE OUR OPINION.
IF YOU'RE OKAY, THAT'S, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OUT OF FOUR, FIVE, SO FINGERS, I'M VOTING AGAINST IT AND WE PASS, SO THAT'S FINE.
AND WE APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE IT.
SO WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEMS. SO, UH, ARE WE FINISHED WITH THE REVIEW? DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH ON THIS? NO.
DID YOU, UH, HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THE CBD PROCESS? YES.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE CDBG GRANT, UM, WHERE I WAS PUTTING FORWARD THE NEED FOR A BUS, A 40 PASSENGER BUS, IT WAS A QUESTION ON WHETHER THAT BUS COULD BE, UM, ELECTRIC, HYBRID GAS, DIESEL, UH, INFORMATION CAME BACK THAT A, THERE IS NO HYBRID.
THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE MAKING TOO MANY HYBRID BUSES AT THE MOMENT, UM, THAT ARE COMING OUT.
BUSES, WHEN THEY GO BY, THEY SAY HYBRID.
UM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING ANYMORE.
SO ANYMORE, AND I CAN'T EVEN SAY ANYMORE WHAT'S NOT
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AVAILABLE IN THIS REGION AT THIS TIME.OKAY, WELL I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TO CHECK BECAUSE I PUT WINSOME IN TOUCH WITH THE COUNTY, UH, DPW PERSON WHO HAD MANAGED THAT, AND HE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHERE THE COUNTY BOUGHT HYBRID BUSES LAST YEAR.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ARE SOME OF THE NAMES.
THIS IS WITH A COUPLE OF NAMES, MAN.
UM, SEE, I CAN'T MAKE OUT HYBRID ON THIS ONE.
SO, SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND, BUT YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT ISSUE IS AN IMPORTANT ONE TOO.
UM, AND, AND LOOK AT JUST SOME OF THESE NUMBERS
IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE WE FOUND, UH, THE ELECTRIC BUS THAT WE DID FIND 40 PASSENGER $600,000 AND HE SAYS EVEN MORE
AND THEN IT WAS, THE RANGE TOTALLY EMPTY WOULD ONLY BE A HUNDRED MILES, UM, FOR THE FULL CHARGE.
AND THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON IT, THE LESS YOU GO.
WHEN WE TAKE A ONE OF THOSE BUSES AND THE ROUTE THAT WE HAVE TO GO, IT'S ALMOST 40 MILES TO THE CITY ALMOST.
THEN YOU DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND YOU COME BACK, YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR A HUNDRED MILES RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHY HYBRID MAKES SENSE AT THIS POINT.
I JUST CANNOT TELL YOU THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE AND FEASIBLE.
SOMEBODY TOLD ME ABOUT A CAR THEY HAVE NOW, UH OH.
UH, JOE, LUC CASEY, HE DRIVES A CAR THAT GIVES HIM 40 MILES HYBRID AND THEN SWITCHES OVER AND RIGHT.
WHICH IS HYBRID FOR RIDING AROUND TOWN IS GREAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE LONGER TRIPS WHERE YOU, YOU'D WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THAT'S WHERE THE BACKUP AND THE HYBRID, I MEAN, KNOWING THIS IS IS IS HELPFUL YES.
BUT WHAT FRANCE, WHAT TERRENCE I HAD DISCUSSED IS THAT THE, THE, UM, PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS WERE SO KEY IN TERMS OF APPLYING TO CD A-C-D-B-G GRANT AND HOPEFULLY GETTING AN OFFSET.
THERE MIGHT BE FIRST PRIORITY.
SO THAT WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CHARGE THE BUS, UM, AS A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? YES.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THERE.
THE CHARGING OF ANY OF THESE BUSES IS A BIG PIECE AND COMING OFF THE BUILDING.
SO NOW IF WE CAN PUT THAT INTO THE PLANS FOR THE PARKING LOT, WE CAN REALLY DO THAT PROPERLY AND SET THAT UP FOR THE FUTURE TO HAVE.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? PLEASE.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN I SPOKE TO THE SENIORS, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF SENIORS, YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO AND THEY BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MADE A REQUEST FOR, UM, A NEW BUS.
UM, WHY CAN'T WE, UM, DO THE PARKING AS YOU SUGGESTED AND THEN CONTINUE WITH THE $200,000 THAT I HAD INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR, UM, A REGULAR BUS.
AND THEN WE COULD WORK GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, A, A YEAR FROM NOW YOU'LL NEED NEW BUSES ANYWAY, MORE BUSES.
SO THIS WAY WE COULD, WE COULD KEEP THE COMMITMENT WE MADE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE SENIORS WHO BASICALLY, UH, WERE BEGGING US FOR A NEW BUS, UH, USE A REGULAR BUS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GET THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THE SENIORS CAN ENJOY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO THE BUS'S GONNA BE CONDUCIVE TO SENIORS.
SO I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, UM, THE KIND OF BUS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BASICALLY SCHOOL BUSES, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UM, THEY ARE MORE, UM, THEY'RE BETTER FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING, ESPECIALLY PRICE WISE.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A NICER, SMOOTHER RIDE.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A MORE EXPENSIVE LUXURY TYPE BUS, WHICH WILL, UM, ONE, IT WON'T FIT IN OUR PARKING LOT.
UM, AND TWO, IT'S JUST NOT THE PIECE THAT WE DO, BUT WE DO NEED A NEW BUS.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY, OUR, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING TO GO ON THESE TRIPS.
SO OUR 40 PASSENGER BUS IS OUR LARGEST BUS.
AND WE DID HAVE THE ISSUE THAT SOMETHING WENT WRONG WITH IT, AND IT BROKE DOWN RIGHT IN THIS CITY WITH 40 PEOPLE.
AND I DON'T HAVE A BUS OF EQUAL SIZE TO GO GET THEM.
AND IT WAS FIVE 30 AND ALL BUT ONE OF MY DRIVERS LIVES OUT OF TOWN.
IT WAS GONNA BE TOUGH TO GET ALL OF 'EM.
I WAS LUCKY IN THAT FOUR OF 'EM SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE TRAIN.
AND THEY WENT AND TOOK THE TRAIN.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
FOUR OF THE SENIORS, THEY WERE, THAT WERE, THAT WERE MOBILE.
THEY WEREN'T BECAUSE NO, THEY WERE MOBILE.
THEY, THEY, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND ALL.
BUT THAT WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE I HAD A 36 PASSENGER GOING TO GET THEM.
WELL, LET, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HOW OFTEN ARE THESE TRIPS? UM, TRIPS BETWEEN US AND PARKS AND REC ARE WEEKLY,
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UH, AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A WEEK.FOUR TIMES A WEEK THAT YOU NEED A 40 PERSON BUS? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S THE TRIPS ARE THE 40 PASSENGER IS 40.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU NEED THE 40 PERSON? I, I'D SAY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
I WAS AT THE TOWN POOL, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING TO PEOPLE FOR A COUPLE HOURS ON, ON, I THINK SUNDAY, UH, SATURDAY, SUNDAY.
UM, AND THERE WERE AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX SENIORS WHO SAID, WE REALLY NEED THIS BUS.
SO YOU, THE THING IS, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, UH, ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, I SAID, OH, I JUST NEED YOU TO ASK THEM FOR WHAT? NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THEY ABOVE EVERYBODY THINKS THEY'RE GETTING GO ON A NEW BUS.
THEY'RE GETTING IN BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GONNA SAY, BECAUSE THE RIDE IS TOO, IS NOT TOO NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY ASK ABOUT THAT, BUT IT DEPENDS WHERE YOU SIT.
IF YOU'RE IN THAT 40 PASSENGER, YOU'RE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT BACK TIRE AND YOU'RE GOING FOR A, A RIDE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A BOMB.
BUT THE THING IS, WE COULD DO, WHILE WE COULD AFFORD, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE CAPITAL BUDGET, I THINK I INCLUDED $200,000 FOR, FOR LING BUS.
THE BUS IS THE 8 MILLION, BUT THE BUS IS THE 800,000.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY NUMBER I NEED THE TYPE OF BUS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, TERRANCE PRICE, THAT ONE OUT.
I THINK THE SENIORS THAT I SPOKE TO, I MEAN, THEY WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, A FANCY BUS.
BUT THE THING IS, WHAT THEY REALLY WANT IS THEY DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK, YOU KNOW, AND STUCK ON THE ROAD.
SO THE THING IS RIGHT NOW, YEAH, WE GOTTA AN EMERGENCY.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA BE STUCK, BUT YOU WANNA BE COMFORTABLE.
SO AS MUCH AS, SO I UNDER, YES, AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BRAND NEW BUS FOR OUR SENIORS.
AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND OLDER A A FLEET THAT IS GETTING OLDER AND SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE PROCESSED OUT FOR A NEWER BUS.
I WOULD TELL YOU THOUGH, WITH THE NEW, UM, TECHNOLOGY COMING OUT, UM, THIS HYBRID ELECTRIC AND ALL IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR THE FUTURE BEFORE POSSIBLY BUYING, UM, A, A, A NEW GAS OR DIESEL BUS.
AND I WAS, I JUST SWITCHED OVER TO THIS.
AND THAT'S ALSO BECAUSE OF HOW IMPORTANT THE PARKING LOT IS TO ME.
I HAVE PEOPLE FALLING IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE DO AS MUCH PAVING AS WE CAN TO KEEP IT LEVEL.
BUT THAT PARKING LOT I DON'T BELIEVE HAS BEEN DONE.
NO, BUT I'M, LET ALONE I'M SAYING I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING LOT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPOKE TO SOME OF THE SENIORS AND YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, OH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT HYBRID OR ELECTRIC BUSES IN THE FUTURE.
SOME OF THE SENIORS THAT I'VE, I SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THEY SORT OF JOKE AROUND AND SAY, I'M NOT GONNA BE AROUND BY THE TIME YOU DO IT.
SO THE THING IS, THEY WANT IT NOW SO THEY CAN ENJOY THE YES.
BUT I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO, TO SPEND $200,000 ON A BUS.
IT'S THE, UH, THE LIFETIME OF A BUS IS WHAT, 10, 20 YEARS.
SO THAT MEANS WE'RE PUTTING OFF DOING SOMETHING FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, JUST AS AN ASIDE, UM, I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO THE WESTCHESTER CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING INSTITUTE, WHICH IS OFFERING TO HELP GREENBERG AMONG OTHERS, A WHOLE CONSORTIUM IN, IN IDENTIFYING, UM, WAYS IN WHICH TO CUT DOWN ON OUR, ON OUR, UM, FOOTPRINT AND, AND WHERE WE'RE, IF WE BUY A GAS GUZZLING BUS THAT FOUR 20 YEARS THAT HAS A DETRIMENTAL OF THE FUMES HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON OUR SENIORS TOO.
THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO, LEMME JUST, I JUST WANTED, JUST, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ASK SOME QUESTION.
SO HAVE YOU PRICED OUT, HAVE YOU DID THE PRICES FOR, THOSE WERE THE PRICE THAT WE HAD.
WE ALSO HAD A, UM, 12 PASSENGER BUS.
WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PA THE, THE, THE PRICE IN FOR, BUT WHAT YOU NEED AND FOR WHAT YOU DESCRIBED BASED ON, WE DON'T WANT THE REGULAR LOCAL SCHOOL BUS.
OH, WE DON'T NO, I'M JUST SAYING THE SENIOR SAID TO YOU, I DON'T WANT A LOCAL, LOCAL SCHOOL BUS, WHICH IS JUST FOR LOCAL TRAVEL.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE BACK OF BEING IN THE REAR OF THE BUS.
SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE? YES.
SO THE THREE OTHER BUSES, THE 20 PASSENGER BUSES THEY GO TO ABOUT 25 IS THE BIGGEST.
YOU CAN GET THOSE EVERYBODY LOVES.
THEY'RE A LITTLE LOWER SHOCK ABSORBERS.
BUT ONCE YOU GET BIGGER THAN THAT, IT STARTS TURNING INTO THE BUS.
IT IS NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S ALRIGHT.
SO IT'S THE LONG TRIPS THAT YOU'RE MOST CONCERNED, THOSE LONG TRIPS ARE ONCE A WEEK? UH, THEY CAN BE YES.
DEFINITELY ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS THINGS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO, TO WHERE YOU MIGHT BE GOING, MINIMIZE SOME OF THOSE.
BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THEY LOVE AND IT'S NOT MOST OF THEM THAT ARE MAKING, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO FOR DOING THAT.
UM, BUT YES, YOU MAY HAVE A BUMPY RIDE EVERY NOW AND THEN, LET IT BE HOT, LET IT BE A LONG, UH, A LONG RIDE.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT DO COME, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ON AND OFF THE BUS.
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THINK ABOUT MY MOTHER, SHE HAS A HARD TIME GETTING IT IN AND OUTTA MY CAR.SO THE BUS HAS TO BE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
FRANCIS, I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS GONNA DO THIS QUICK 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GO LIKE THIS.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF WISDOM COMING IN FROM OUR STAFF AND ONE OF THEM SAYS THAT HE'S TRYING TO GET A 65 PASSENGER ELECTRIC BUS THAT COST TARRYTOWN $450,000, UH, HERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
OH, IT IS BEING BOUGHT BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO IT MAY BE A SCHOOL TYPE BUS AND IT FITS HOW MANY PEOPLE? I'M SORRY? 65.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I ASKED HOW MANY SEATS AND I GOT BACK 65 AND THAT WON'T GET INTO MY PARKING LOT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE TURNS.
WELL THAT, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, SO THAT'SS SELLING US THAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BUY IT FOR FOUR OR 50 FOR 65, AND WE CAN'T USE A 65 AND WE NEED A 40.
IT TELLS ME THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT $800,000.
WE CAN FIND, AND IT WAS, UH, YOU SAID IT WAS HYBRID OR IT WAS JUST UH, ELECTRIC.
I WAS NOT THINKING IT WAS THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL GET TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK AND WHAT JOE, UM, RODRIGUEZ HAS BEEN SAYING, WE NEED TO GO OUT AND GO TO SOME OF THESE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THEM.
THE UH, BIRD BUS IS ONE OF THE BIG ONES UP, UH, UP NORTH A LITTLE BIT AND GO TALK TO THEM AND REALLY GET THIS INSIGHT.
BUT HAVING THE INSIGHT AND THEN BUYING, I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
I I JUST THINK THAT IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOLAR PANELS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER, AND YES, THERE'S A PREMIUM FOR ELECTRIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN THEN JUST TURN AROUND AND SAY, YOU KNOW, BUT LET'S DO A DIESEL BUS BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER.
NO, WE DEFINITELY CAN'T DO A DIESEL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS CONDUCIVE FOR THE ACCURATE, BUT, BUT DIDN'T ELLEN JUST SAY YOU RECEIVED A LIST? DIDN'T, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED A LIST, ELLEN? JUST NOT, NOT WHAT I PUT, I PUT WINSOME IN TOUCH WITH MICHAEL SWE.
AND HE GAVE HER SOME PRICING, RECENT PRICING OF WHAT COUNTY SPENT AND A COUPLE OF RESOURCES.
SHE HANDED IT TO ME AS WE WALKED INTO THIS MEETING.
SHE SENT IT TO US ELECTRONICALLY.
I BELIEVE YOU WANTED TO SHARE THAT.
ARE YOU, OR DID YOU WANT TO SHARE THAT NOW? OR IT SOMETHING FOR US TO I THINK SHE, I, I DID PASS OUT HARD COPY.
SHE SAID SHE ALSO SENT IT TO US VIA EMAIL.
LET ME JUST MAKE SURE, GIVE US THAT BECAUSE SHE MIGHT, I MIGHT HAVE ASKED HER TO SEND IT JUST TO ME.
I THINK WE, SO WHAT, SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? ARE WE GONNA BE DELETING? I'M GONNA DO MORE RESEARCH.
ALL IT IS TOMORROW NIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, NOT VOTING.
TOMORROW'S THE, TOMORROW'S THE VOTE.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
OH, SO, BUT FOR TOMORROW, UH, I AM STILL ASKING THAT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TOMORROW.
AND I'M REALLY PUSHING FOR THE PARKING LOT TO GO ON THAT, THAT, UH, ON THAT BID BECAUSE IT'S IN A MAJOR PIECE FOR US.
SO, BECAUSE AS I, THE QUESTION IS THE BOARD WANT TO DELETE THE $200,000 THAT I INCLUDED FOR A BUS? OR DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE $200,000 IN THERE AND THEN WE COULD WE'LL HAVE $200,000 THAT WE COULD USE FOR A BUS, WHICH COULD, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY IT'S ELECTRIC OR NOT ELECTRIC, JUST $200,000 FOR A BUS.
AND THAT GIVES US A LITTLE, WE COULD LOOK FOR GRANTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO DO ELECTRIC OR WHATEVER.
BUT THEY ARE TIED FOR TOMORROW NIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CDBG BLOCK RAMPS IN THERE.
IT'S TRYING TO GET $200,000 I BELIEVE ALSO FOR SOME KIND OF A, SOME KIND OF A BUS, RIGHT? NO, BUT I'M SAYING THE QUESTION IS DO WE DO BUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS PART, BUT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
REMEMBER THAT WAS FOR THE CG, THAT WAS THE BUS WAS INCLUDED IN THAT.
THE BUS WAS IN THE CB DG GRANT GRANT.
BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS 200 TO 400 TO 400.
WHICH COULD HAVE, IF IT WAS GOING ELECTRIC OR WOULD IT BE TWO BUSES, WHATEVER IT WAS GONNA BE.
EXCEPT THAT JUST WE FOUND OUT THAT THE ELECTRIC AND EVEN THE HYBRID IS TWICE THAT.
BUT WHEN WE SPOKE TO NOLAN BRANSON, HE INDICATED THAT THE, THAT IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER, YOU GET CREDITS AND I THINK IT'S UP TO LIKE $200,000.
MY RECOLLECTION IS IT WAS UP TO $200,000 IN, IN CREDIT CREDITS FOR, UH, THAT WE COULD BE, UH, USING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL UM, INITIATIVES.
SO WE COULD BASICALLY, IF WE KEEP THE $200,000 IN
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THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THEN WE COULD, UH, WORK WITH SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER AND SEE IF WE COULD GET, UM, A GRANT FROM THE STATE, UH, TO, SO IT COULD BE THEN WE WOULD HAVE $400,000 FOR, FOR A BUS, THE ELECTRIC BUS.REMEMBER, DO YOU REMEMBER NOAM'S COMMENTS TALKING ABOUT HOW THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE
WE DON'T EVEN THE MONEY, THE CD BG GRANTS.
NO, BUT THIS, SO THE THE, OKAY, THIS IS THE THING.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WILL BE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WINSTON'S LISTENING IN OR CAN, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE, SHE USUALLY DOES.
WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE WANT IN TERMS OF GRANT MONIES.
SO WHAT TERRANCE IS, IS SAYING IS A GREATER PRIORITY IS THE PARKING LOT.
SO WE CAN PUT IT IN FOR THE BUS.
IT JUST WOULD GO DOWN THE LINE ON THE LIST AND TURN.
AND IF I, IF I CAN SAY PARKING LOT, BUT REMEMBER OUR SENIORS TOO.
SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE AND THE SAFETY.
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE AND THE SAFETY OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME SITUATION IF WE THE BUS TOO.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CAN WAIT OR TWO AND THEN PUT SOME DOWN AT THE GO AHEAD.
I HAVE TO ADD, IT'S NOT JUST PARKING LOT AND THE SAFETY IN THIS PLAN.
THERE'S A LOT MORE SCIENCE GOING IN TO STOP THE WATER THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO COME INTO THE BUILDING THEY'RE CREATING.
THAT WAS THE TERM I WAS LOOKING FOR.
FLOOD MITIGATION FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
THAT WOULD KEEP ME FROM HAVING 12 INCHES OF WATER THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE, I NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
I THINK I DON'T WANNA LOSE UNDERSTANDING AND, AND HAVING BEEN IN THAT PARKING LOT, I DON'T WANNA LOSE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT PARKING LOT.
I, BECAUSE I, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND MY MOTHER WAS PART OF THAT AND HER FRIENDS WERE PART OF GOING ON THOSE TRIPS AND WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY DO LOOK FORWARD TO.
SO WHATEVER HOMEWORK YOU CAN DO, CONTINUE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN, AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE KNOW THAT WE, WE DO HAVE HEAT, WE DO HAVE BUSES AND THEY ARE WORKING WELL.
UM, AND WE WILL KEEP DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN AND DO IS JUST TO, UH, MAKE IT SAFER, MORE ENJOYABLE AND UH, YOU KNOW, SAFEGUARD THEM IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG, I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO GO GET THEM IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
AND, AND HER COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON TARGET ON THIS.
AND THAT'S WHY EVERYONE GET READY AND GET OUT TO SNOW SHOVELS AND GET READY.
'CAUSE IT'S ABOUT TO SNOW IN A FEW MINUTES.
SO, SO, SO IN TERMS OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET, DO WE LEAVE THE, WE SH I THINK WE, WHY DON'T WE LEAVE THE $200,000 IN YES.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AS A BOARD AND SEE IF WE COULD GET GRANTS AND MAKE IT ELECTRIC OR HYBRID OR SOMETHING.
SO TOMORROW I AM STILL PRESENTING ON THE BUS, CORRECT.
SO THAT'S THE 200 THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
THE BUDGET PLUS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FROM THEM AND THEN IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH.
HOW'S THE CAMP GOING? HOW'S THE WHAT? HOW'S THE CAMP GOING? OH WONDERFUL.
ALRIGHT, I, WE THANK ALRIGHT, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE AGENDA? GOOD EVENING TOWN BOARD MEMBERS HAVE A QUICK UPDATE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO CD THREE, RESPECT TO, CAN YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF? OH, SURE.
GAR KING, COMMISSIONER AND DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSERVATION.
UM, CD THREE I HAD ON, AND I'M ASKING FOR THAT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS TO BE ADJOURNED.
UM, WHAT THAT RESOLUTION WAS WAS TO GAR WHAT IS CD THREE? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S NOT ON HERE, IT'S NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
DID YOU ASK JOE AND THE PUBLIC TO REMOVE IT? I DID NOT.
SO WE HAVE, IT WAS A RESOLUTION ON APPROVING CHANGE ORDERS WITH RESPECT TO ODELL HOUSE.
BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, UM, WE'RE DOING SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE.
SO, SO WE HAVE CD ONE, WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL SERVICES FOR THE ODELL HOUSE.
CD TWO IS AUTHORIZING CHANGE ORDERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE ODELL HOUSE.
DID YOU HAVE A THIRD CD RESOLUTION? NO.
I NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THE NUMBERING,
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UH, WAS, WAS, WAS CHANGED.SO I'M GONNA AMEND MY MY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW TO SAY, UH, I'M GONNA ASK FOR YOU TO HOLD OVER, UH, CD TWO, RIGHT? WHICH IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ODELL HOUSE CHANGE ORDERS, UM, THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD DOING SOME ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE ON THOSE CHANGE ORDERS AND, UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THE NUMBER COULD COME DOWN.
BUT, UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO, UH, HOLD THAT OVER IN REPORT BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST WITH, WITH AN UPDATE.
BUT, UH, CD ONE WE DO, UM, ASK THAT REMAIN ON AS WITH RESPECT TO ADDING WINDOWS, UM, TO THE CONTRACT OF THE CURRENT CONTRACTORS.
SO THAT
ALRIGHT, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
SO CD ONE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT TO BE ON TONIGHT'S, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT'S AGENDA IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ON THE AUGUST 15TH AGENDA.
AND THAT HAD TO DEAL WITH THE CDBG BLOCK GRANT MONIES.
SO WHEN THAT CAME OFF, YOUR CD TWO BECAME CD ONE AND YOUR CD THREE BECAME CD TWO AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING US AND THEREBY HOLD OVER PRIOR CD THREE, WHICH IS NOW CD TWO TWO.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER? ACTUALLY TWO SECONDS.
UM, THE, THE TOWN OF GREENBERG HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN, UM, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES I BELIEVE FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND, UM,
UM, JUST PULL UP THE NOTES HERE.
BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NO COST TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO UPDATE OUR CLIMATE ACTION.
WE LAST HAD A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN 2009 AND UM, WAS MADE PRIVY TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE EIGHT OR NINE WESTCHESTER COMMUNITIES THAT CAN ENTER THIS PROGRAM.
I WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILS, UM, BUT I WILL BE SEEKING THE TOWN BOARD SUPPORT, UM, TO ENTER THIS PROGRAM, WHICH AGAIN IS NO COST.
AND, UH, WE'LL WORK WITH MY DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE CAC MEMBERS, UM, AND THE SPONSOR ORGANIZATION, UM, WHICH IS, UM, CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING INSTITUTE, UH, OUT OF NEWBURGH THROUGH THE HUDSON VALLEY REGIONAL COUNCIL.
UM, SO I WILL CHECK BACK WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT I DID WANT TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, FURTHER GRADING OURSELVES HERE AT GREENBERG.
AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, BUT I'LL CHECK BACK SOON ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERENCING BEFORE, BUT KNOWING THAT, UM, GARRETT WAS GONNA GIVE YOU FURTHER EXPLANATION I FOR THAT.
OH, TIME FOR THE QUICK THINGS.
MR. DKO, UM, TB FOUR NEEDS A SLIGHT EDIT.
UH, CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA IT SAYS OFFICE ASSISTANT FINANCE, BUT THE ACTUAL, UM, TITLE IS OFFICE ASSISTANT FINANCIAL SUPPORT.
I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT TONIGHT WHILE WE'RE DOING FINANCIAL REVIEW.
IS THERE A DASH AFTER ASSISTANT? UM, GIMME ONE SECOND.
IT READS OFFICE ASSISTANT DASH FINANCE NOW IT SHOULD BE OFFICE ASSISTANT DASH FINANCIAL SUPPORT.
SUPPORT FINANCIAL FINANCIAL SUPPORT, YES.
UM, FOR TB TWO, WHICH IS THE MOU WITH SUSTAINABLE OVER WESTCHESTER, I JUST DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CURRENT GRAPH CONTRACT STATES THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE LETTER SENT OUT PER YEAR, BUT I, I BELIEVE THE BOARD WISHED TO HAVE SEVERAL SENT OUT.
TWO, I THINK THAT SUSTAINED YES.
AT A MINIMUM TWO IS WHAT AMONG THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED.
SO I'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE THAT SLIGHT AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT FOUR NOW.
IS THAT YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE.
SENT US AN EMAIL, UM, SAYING THAT THEY WOULD COMMIT TO TWO.
SO IS THAT TWO IN ADDITION TO WHAT GOES INTO THE, UM, INTRODUCTORY LETTER THAT GOES TO EVERYBODY? I BELIEVE SO.
WE NEED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED.
AND THEN HE ALSO SAID THAT THEY CAN, WE CAN PUT NOTICES IN WITH THE WITH THE BILLS.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I ALSO, I SENT, I SENT AROUND THE LANGUAGE FOR OPTING OUT SO EVERYONE COULD SEE THAT.
'CAUSE UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW EASY OR HARD IT WOULD BE.
SO THE LANGUAGE, UH, NO PROVIDED THAT LANGUAGE, BUT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE THE MEETING, SO NO, I SAW IT.
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T THREE, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE RETENTION OF MORRIS DUFFY FOR NOTICES OF CLAIMS AND LITIGATION MATTERS AGAINST THE TOWN THAT IS ON AN INTERIM BASIS JUST TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE.UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE HAD A LISTING OUT FOR AN IN-HOUSE DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY FOR A FEW MONTHS AND WE HAVE NOT FILLED THE ROLE AT THIS POINT.
UH, MORRIS DUFFY HAS DONE SOME WORK WITH THE TOWN AND HAS FAVORABLE RESULTS.
UM, SO THAT IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE A LONG TERM HIRE.
IT'S JUST INTERIM WHILE WE WAIT TO HIRE SOMEONE IN HOUSE.
SO IS THE WORD INTERIM MISPLACED EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CALLING 'EM AN INTERIM OUTSIDE COUNSEL, IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE AN ONGOING THING AND THIS PERSON JUST HAPPENED TO BE FILLING IN UNTIL WE GET SOMEBODY PERMANENT.
DID YOU WANT TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY'RE AN INTERIM OUTSIDE COUNSEL? UH, TEMPORARILY REGARDING, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY FINE THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WORDED.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE FURTHER FOR THE PUBLIC.
THAT THE INTERIM BASIS IS THE, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO HIRE ANOTHER IN-HOUSE DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY.
UM, I I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE WORDING.
JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WORDING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.
I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING FOR THE PUBLIC, WE WANNA MAKE IT SO IT'S CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
BECAUSE IT COULD BE READ AS THIS PERSON IS ONLY INTERIM UNTIL YOU FIND WE FIND A PERMANENT PERSON.
WELL, NO, SO THE FIRST, WHEREAS CLAUSE, IF SOMEONE WAS TO READ THE ENTIRE RESOLUTION, THE FIRST, WHEREAS AS CLAUSE EXPLAINS IT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
OKAY, SO YOU WERE JUST REFERENCING THE TITLE.
SOMEONE WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE TITLE.
THEY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT EVENTUALLY WE WILL HAVE AN IN-HOUSE, UH, DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UNTIL WE FIND SOMEBODY, MEANING JOE FINDS SOMEBODY, THE TOWN ATTORNEY FINDS SOMEBODY, WE'RE USING OUTSIDE PERSONNEL, IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED, UM, SPECIALIZED AREA OF THE LAW TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE ON A MUNICIPAL LEVEL.
SO THAT IS THE HURDLE THAT WE HAVE TO JUMP IN, IN HIRING SOMEONE THAT IS, IS ADEQUATE FOR THE POSITION.
AND THE THIS, UM, MORE STUFFY HAS PROVEN ITSELF TO BE ADEPT IN THIS SORT OF LITIGATION ROOM.
THAT'S, AND AND THE POSTING IS STILL ON OUR WEBSITE, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE CAN, SO ANYONE WHO WAS INTERESTED OR KNOW SOMEONE, UM, WHO HAS LAW EXPERIENCE.
SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPECIALIZED, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT WE ARE NEEDING.
UH, BUT THE POSITION IS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO TO EXECUTIVE, UH, SESSION TO DISCUSS, UM, UH, LEGAL MATTERS, PERSONNEL AND CONTRACTUAL ISSUES AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE.
WE WON'T BE COMING BACK TONIGHT.
AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK TOMORROW.