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PROGRESS SET.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, August 7, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 7TH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. DAVIS PRESENT MS. SPARKS OR ALTERNATE PRESENT ON ZOOM? MR. HAY PRESENT.
AND NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. GOLDEN IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UH, WE DO HAVE MS. GARRITY, DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR HERE THIS EVENING, UH, OBSERVING.
YOU CAN, SHE'LL BE OUTSIDE LATER IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK TO HER.
NO, THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO.
I, I WASN'T HERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, UH, SUPPORT WHAT, UH, JOHANN, UH, DID IN THE, UH, AT THE END OF THIS CASE, WHAT, WHAT THE CASE WAS.
UH, WHAT DID, DID YOU DO NOW? JOHAN DICKERS THAT SAYS THAT THE NEUTRAL, UH, THE VETERINARIAN ABOUT THE NEUTRAL ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THAT VIEW AND WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENTLY DOING THAT.
WELL, THAT'LL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
I WASN'T HERE, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN TONIGHT.
I, I, BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION A LITTLE LATER TONIGHT.
I, UH, I WASN'T AT THE, OH, I WAS ONLY AT THE LAST MINUTE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I DID HAVE THE TIME TO REVIEW THE, THE VIDEO, SO I FEEL CONFIDENT IN VOTING ON THE MINUTES.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND YOU WERE HERE FOR, FOR A LOT OF THE VOTED.
I DO HAVE ONE CHA CHANGE TO IT.
UH, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER WHERE STAFF IS LISTED, UM, MR. SIMON IS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO JUST, UH, CROSS OUT THAT SHORT AS WELL AS MR. SIMON.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT GOOD LINES.
UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO CORRESPONDENCE, UM, I DO WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TODAY AND ALSO, UH, ENTERTAIN, UH, WHETHER WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER.
UM, TODAY, UH, MR. SNAGS, MR. SIMON AND MYSELF FILE FILED A, UH, ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST FOUR MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD AS WELL AS THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR RETALIATION.
UH, WE BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN SINGLED OUT AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONES TO RECEIVE AN ULTI LETTER OF THE ULTIMATUM LAST WEEK.
SO I WON'T GO INTO ANY MORE DETAIL THAN THAT.
UM, IT HAS BEEN RECEIVED BY THE BOARD OF ETHICS, AND AS OF NOW, I THINK IT'S SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 19TH.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN AUGUST MEETING.
UM, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, OKAY.
UH, WITH THIS IS WHETHER ANYBODY WANTED TO DISCUSS ANY, ANYTHING REGARDING TB ONE, UM, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION THAT, UM, THAT BASICALLY PROHIBITS ANYBODY WHO IS A KEY MEMBER OR ON THE BOARD OF A NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT DOES, THAT'S PRIMARY WORK, IS LAND USE INITIATIVES WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, FROM SITTING ON A LAND USE BOARD OR THE TOWN BOARD THAT WAS PASSED, UH, BY RESOLUTION, UM, ON JULY 10TH BY, BY THE TOWN BOARD.
AND EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT.
EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD HAS GOTTEN COPIES AS WELL OF AS THE, OF THE ETHICS COMPLAINT.
I, I FORWARDED THOSE YESTERDAY.
UM, DO PEOPLE, ARE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN HAVING A GROUP DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? YES OR NO? I'D LIKE A KIND OF A STRAW VOTE ON THAT.
DURING THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, AND SO I SAY NO, NO, I THINK THIS, WE SHOULD KEEP IT SEPARATELY.
YOU, THE ALL, WELL, IT CAN'T BE DONE, UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT.
LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT SEPARATELY.
WHAT'S AMANDA HAS SORT OF, UH, I HAVE, I HAVE THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW RIGHT HERE, SO I'M READY FOR THAT IF WE NEED TO DO THAT.
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CUT OUTSIDE OF IT.IF, IF, JUST REMEMBER THERE IS AN OPEN MEETINGS LAW, WE NEED TO HERE TO, SO THIS IS THE ONLY CHANCE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A GROUP MEETING.
THAT MEETING CAN BE UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW.
UH, AND I HAVE THE LAW TO QUOTE, UH, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF WE'D LIKE IT TO BE.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING, THAT'S FINE.
WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THE BUSINESS.
I, I GUESS MAYBE THEN I NEED SOME CLARITY ON WHEN YOU SAY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? AND WHEN YOU SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS IT, IS THERE AN AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING? IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME.
THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION IS THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
AND DOES THE PLANNING BOARD AS A GROUP WANT TO, UH, TAKE ANY ACTION, LIKE FORWARD RESOLUTION, ANOTHER LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT THIS, OR DO NOTHING? IT'S REALLY UP TO UP TO EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD.
UM, I CAN READ YOU WHY WE CAN GO ON INTO, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION LEGALLY UNDER SECTION 1 0 5 OF, UH, CONDUCTING, UH, NEW YORK PUBLIC OFFICERS CONDUCTING EXECUTIVE SEC SECTIONS IF YOU NEED ME TO DO THAT.
SO WE HAVE A CHOICE OF DOING IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE A CHOICE OF NOT DOING IT ALL, OR WE HAVE A CHOICE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND IT'S UP TO THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
IF IT'S, IF THE VOTE IS NO, WE JUST GO ON WITH THE BUS, THE BUSINESS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOTE OF WHETHER OR NOT ONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS IT IN A GROUP SET SETTING, YES OR NO? SO THAT'S A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO TO HAVE A GROUP, A GROUP DISCUSSION OF THAT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND JOHAN SECONDS.
IT, UM, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WHAT SECTION OF PUBLIC OFFICER'S LAW ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SECTION 1 0 5, RIGHT.
I'D SAY IT'S, UH, PARAGRAPH ONE.
UM, AND LITTLE F AND I WILL READ IT TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UPON MAJORITY VOTE OF ITS TOTAL MEMBERSHIP TAKEN IN AN OPEN MEETING PURSUANT TO A MOTION IDENTIFYING THE GENERAL AREA OR AREAS OF THE SUBJECT OR SUBJECTS TO BE CONSIDERED, A PUBLIC BODY MAY CONDUCT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE BELOW ENUMERATED PURPOSES ONLY PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT NO ACTION BY FORMAL VOTE SHALL BE TAKEN TO APPROPRIATE MONIES.
PARAGRAPH F UNDER THIS SAYS THE MEDICAL, FINANCIAL CREDIT OR EMPLOYMENT HISTORY OF A PARTICULAR PERSON OR CORPORATION ARE MATTERS LEADING TO THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, PROMOTION, DEMOTION, DISCIPLINE, SUSPENSION, DISMISSAL, OR REMOVAL OF A PARTICULAR PERSON OR CORPORATION, WHICH CLEARLY, UH, THE LETTERS OF ULTIMATUM, UH, DEAL WITH.
SO, UH, WE CAN'T GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, UNDER SECTION 1 0 5.
WE CAN, YES, LESLIE, GO AHEAD.
UH, SO, UM, I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THIS.
APPARENTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS PART OF THE AGENDA AND I WASN'T PREPARED TO DISCUSS THIS THIS EVENING.
SO I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS.
UH, I I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A FAIR, UH, YOU, EVEN THOUGH I, I SUPPORT YOU, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A PART OF THIS AGENDA AND COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE AGENDA.
I, I THINK SHE'S RIGHT IN THAT RESPECT.
AND OF COURSE, LISTEN, IF THE MAJORITY OF BOARDS WANTS TO DO IT, AND IF AMANDA SAYS THAT'S ILLEGAL FOR US TO DO IT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
WELL, I, I'M, I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN PART OF THE AGENDA SENT TO US.
LIKE LETTERS ARE SENT TO US RIGHT BEFORE THERE WERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL.
MAY I FINISH WHAT I'M SURE, SURE.
UM, LETTERS ARE SENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE HOURS AS THEY WERE RECEIVED BY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, AND THEY'LL BE SENT TO OUR EMAILS.
SO THIS DISCUSSION, I, I'M, I'M TAKING, I AM MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT YOU KNEW YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS IT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
PRIOR TO THIS MEETING DID KNOW I WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY YOU HAD GIVEN ALL THAT INFORMATION THE LAST FEW DAYS AND KEPT UP TO SPEED.
IN FACT, YOU GOT THE COPY OF THE, UH, ETHICS COMPLAINT BEFORE, UM, THE, IT WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A DAY BEFORE IT WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IN TERMS OF I, WHAT, WHAT THESE APPLICANTS ARE HERE FOR, WHICH IS WHAT I LOOKED, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS IS A VOLUNTEER.
SO WE DO HAVE A FULL, I DO HAVE A FULL-TIME JOB.
I DID READ THE, UM, MAY I FINISH, I DID READ THE ETHICS COMPLAINTS.
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ACTUALLY, UM, TEXT BY SOMEONE TO LET ME KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING OUT.SO I DID TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I'M PREPARED TO DISCUSS IT.
IN CONSIDERATION OF, UH, OF THE, OF THE VARIOUS APPLICANTS HERE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE IT TO THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, UH, AFTER THE APPLICANT'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DO YOU KNOW THAT PARTICULAR EXERCISE? I'D BE HAPPY WITH THAT, EXCEPT FOR ONE THING, THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TO DO THAT, EVERYBODY STARTED LOOKING AT THE WATCH AT NINE 15.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO STAY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, I HAVE NO, IF WE GO LATE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT.
I THINK YOU HAVE A, UH, REASONABLE, I THINK YOU HAVE A TIME VIEW.
SO I THINK, UH, WALTER'S IDEA IS GOOD.
LET THE, LET THE APPLICANTS NOT, UH, BE LATE BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION.
BUT IT SHOULD BE A COMMITMENT BY EVERYONE.
IF THAT'S THE DECISION THAT YOU'LL STAY, UH, YOU'LL STAY.
I'M WILLING TO STAY FOR SAY, HALF AN HOUR.
I MEAN, IF IT IS AN HOUR AND A HALF, I NO, DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT.
SO IF WE SET A TIME LIMIT, THEN I'M WILLING TO SIGN OFF.
SO WHY DON'T WE SET THE TIME LIMIT FOR HALF AN HOUR THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU'RE SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO PREPARE ANYTHING SINCE THIS IS LAST MINUTE, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO ADVISE YOU PROPERLY ON AND ON THIS MATTER.
SO TO BE HONEST, WE'RE NOT SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE.
AND HONESTLY, AMANDA, I'M CONCERNED YOU MAY ACTUALLY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE IT'S YOUR BOSS THAT IS IN THERE.
AND I WAS ONLY GOING TO INVITE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WITHOUT STAFF.
I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION, THAT'S WHY.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL VOTE ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE WE DO IT NOT RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.
LET'S GO ON WITH THE BUSINESS TONIGHT.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO EVERYBODY HERE.
ALL THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD DECISION.
WE HAD ONE, UH, PIECE OF CAR CORRESPONDENCE WAS PB 2220 ELMWOOD, UH, PRESERVE, EXTENSION, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AS I UNDER, THEY WANT 180 DAYS.
THIS IS THEIR SECOND, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEIR SEC, THEIR SECOND EXTENSION, UH, THE REASON FOR IT IS THEY'RE STILL, UH, WORKING ON MITIGATING THE SOIL ISSUE, I BELIEVE, AND WORKING WITH THE, UH, COUNTY ON THAT, CORRECT? YEAH.
CERTAIN UTILITY AND SITE REMEDIATION ISSUES.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO PROVE APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE? SECOND.
UM, THE NEXT THING IN CORRESPONDENCE WAS YOUNG.
UM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MINOR WETLAND WATER COURSE, AND WE HAVE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, DON'T WE? ON, ON THE, ON THERE? WE DO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE, UH, THIS IS PB UM, 24 11.
IT'S FOR COVEN PLACE IN HARTSDALE, NEW YORK.
IT'S FOR A MINOR PROJECT, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
UH, IT'S A SMALL EXPANSION, UH, TO, TO A HOUSE, TO, UH, FOR AN EXPANDING FAMILY AND ALSO A DECK.
UM, GO BED, UH, GOES INTO THE WETLANDS BUFFER, NOT INTO THE WETLANDS ITSELF.
GOES INTO THE WETLANDS BUFFER BY ABOUT 80 FEET IN TOTAL.
I THINK THE HOUSE WAS 74 FEET, I BELIEVE, FROM THE WATER COURSE.
FROM FROM FROM THE WATER COURSE.
IT'S IN THE BUFFER FROM THE WAR WATER COURSE ITSELF.
UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE JUST A COUPLE, A 40,000 FOOT DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT FROM THE APPLICANT, IF WE DON'T MIND.
AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE IF WE TURN THIS OVER TO THE, UH, TO AS A, MAKE THIS AS A MINOR.
SO IF YOU COULD COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
I BELIEVE MATT, UM, IS ALSO ON THE ZOOM AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE DOING, UH, A SIMPLE HOU HOUSING PROJECT FOR OUR, UH, FOR OUR FAMILY.
UH, WE ARE, UH, GOING OUT 233 SQUARE FEET, UM, EXPANDING OUR KITCHEN, UM, ADDING, UH, TO OUR DINING ROOM, UM, AND, UH, BUILDING A DECK BACK, UH, BEHIND THAT AS WELL.
WE'RE DOING REALLY THE BARE MINIMUM.
AND, UM, AS MY ARCHITECT
UM, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS OR SHOULD WE JUST TURN THIS OVER TO THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR? NO, I JUST, JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS, WHAT IS WHAT IT BEEN SUBMITTED.
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THE PROJECT, BECAUSE I MEAN, I READ THROUGH IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU ARCHITECT.SO LET LET AARON DO AARON CAN DO THAT.
SO AS THE CHAIR, AND AS MR. YOUNG INDICATED, IT'S A MINOR WET AND WATER COURSE PERMIT APPLICATION.
SO IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A MINOR PROJECT, UH, PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO 80 OF THE TOWN CODE, IT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ADDING AN APPROXIMATELY 233 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE HOME, AS WELL AS A NEW, A NEW DECK.
UH, TOTAL DISTURBANCE IS APPROXIMATED AT 650 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA, WHICH ENCOMPASSES MOST OF THE PROJECTS OR THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE HOUSING ADDITION AND DECK WILL BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 82 AND 74 FEET FROM THE WATER COURSE RESPECTIVELY.
PROPERTIES ON ROUGHLY A QUARTER OF AN ACRE WITHIN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE WATER COURSE ITSELF WAS INSPECTED BY STAFF ON JULY 18TH, 2024, AND CONSISTS OF AN ONSITE WATER COURSE AT THE WESTERLY END OF THE PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY ONE TO TWO FEET DEEP AND THREE TO FOUR FEET IN WIDTH, FLOWS IN A SOUTHEASTERLY DIRECTION OFF SITE BEFORE FLOWING UNDER BURWOOD ROAD, AND EVENTUALLY INTO THE SPRAINED BROOK.
IT APPEARS TO FUNCTION PRIMARILY FOR STORMWATER CONVEYANCE WITH LIMITED WILDLIFE HABITAT AND GROUNDWATER RECHARGE.
THE BUFFER OF THE WATER COURSE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF LAWN AREA, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 FOOT REGULATED BUFFER AREA.
UM, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED ITS WRITTEN REQUEST FOR A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT DUE TO THE PROTECTION MEASURES TO BE INSTALLED DURING THE WORK ACTIVITIES, THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TOTAL DISTURBANCE PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
AND THE NEAREST POINT OF THE PROPOSED WORK BEING A MINIMUM OF 72 FEET AWAY, GIVEN, UH, IT SAYS 74, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE EXTRA FEET OUTSIDE THE ACTUAL FOOTING POST FOR THE DECK.
UH, THE PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO 80 DASH EIGHT B ONE OF THE TOWN CODE CONSIDER WAIVING REFERRAL OF THIS APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND PERMIT THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR TO ISSUE A DECISION ON THE MINOR PROJECT PERMIT.
THEY DO HAVE ALSO, AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO CAPTURE AND TREAT, UH, RUNOFF FROM NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO IS, IS TOWN ENGINEER REVIEWED IT, THAT THIS, HE HAS LOOKED AT IT PRELIMINARILY AND ACCEPTED THE DESIGN.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS, WE'RE JUST TURNING OVER.
JUST MAKE CLEAR LONG TIME ON THE BOARD, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO WHAT, WHAT, UH, YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT SINCE IT'S NOT A MAJOR IMPACT ON, ON, ON THE WETLAND AND WATERCOURSE AND, UH, BECAUSE IT HAS JUST THE MINOR DISTURBANCES ON THERE, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE.
UH, USUALLY WE GET A GET A PLAN, WHICH IS, I GUESS IS IN THERE TO, TO SHOW WHAT THE EXPANSION IS AND, AND HOW BIG IT IS.
AND IT'S A ONE STORY OR TWO STORY.
AND I DID FAIL TO MENTION THAT, UH, THE PROJECT WAS REFERRED TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL WHO ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THE WITH NO ADDITIONAL BUILD IT.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE YOU GONNA BUILD IT? YOU GOING, YOU'RE GONNA DISTURB THE SIDE OF IT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BUILD IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A, ON HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU BRING THE MATERIALS AND, AND, AND THE EQUIPMENTS TO THE, TO THE, TO THE SITE? I MEAN, ACTUAL WORK IS ONLY THAT, BUT IS, UH, BUILDING, BUILDING ADDITION, UH, IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT TO BE BROUGHT ON THE BACK OF IT.
AND HOW DOES THAT GO? RIGHT? SO THEY'VE ESTABLISHED A LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXTEND BEYOND EVEN WITH THE EQUIP? NO.
NO, BUT HOW THEY GOING TO BRING IT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN? I MEAN, THE PLAN, IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A BACKHOE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, HOW, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING.
THEY CAN GO AROUND, THEY CAN GO AROUND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WITHOUT DISTURBING THE BACK.
CAN YOU PUT UP THE PLAN AGAIN PLEASE? YEAH.
SO DOES IT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON A 12 ON, ON THE SIDE? NO, IT SHOULD NOT.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET SHOWN ON THE SIDE.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET SHOWN ON THE SIDE.
BUT IS THERE ANY, ANY, ANY, UH, TREES OR ANY OTHER THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO NOT ON THE SIDE, ON THE SIDE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ALL THE MATERIALS AND THERE IS NO, NO, NO TREES OR NOTHING.
NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, DISTURBING IT, NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT WOULD, UH, ENABLE US TO GET WHAT WE NEEDED TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
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YEAH.IT'S A, IF YOU GO OUT TO THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AND YOU GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE BETWEEN FOUR AND TWO, THERE'S NO TREES THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM GETTING THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, THE BACK, WHAT'S THERE? AND HOW DO YOU GOING TO ACCESS IT? YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? THERE IS A DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN HOW IT'S GONNA GET THIS, AND I THINK IT IS A, UH, THERE ARE STEPS.
SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF GRADE.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE STEPS THAT GOES UP TO THE THINGS.
SHOW THAT PICTURE, SHOW THAT TOO.
THAT'S THE, CAN YOU SEE THIS BATTERY? THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THERE'S THREE STEPS TO GET INTO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT GOING TO THE SIDE.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY FLAT SURFACE FRONT.
BUT, BUT THE, YOU WANNA SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? YEAH.
SO IT'S COMING DOWN THAT SIDE.
YEAH, BUT THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY.
I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE GARAGE.
SO THEY'RE COMING DOWN THAT SIDE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA NAVIGATE THAT BLUE LINE? BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF GRADE.
I I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT THE STEPS ARE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE DRIVEWAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, HE HAS A WHOLE LAWN WITH A VAST SPACE FOR THEM TO GET EQUIPMENT FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT REVIEWED FROM WITH OUR ARCHITECT, WITH OUR CONTRACTOR.
THEY, THEY SEE NO ISSUE AND NO DISTURBANCE FOR US TO GET WHAT WE NEED.
NO, I THINK IT'S A DOABLE, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DO IT.
AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE TREES ALONG THE WAY.
NOW THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'LL BE NO TREE IMPACT.
SO, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, WITH RESPECT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO TREE REMOVAL PROPOSED, THE TREE ORDINANCE AND ITS PROTECTION MEASURES DO COME INTO PLAY.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE VICINITY, FOR INSTANCE, IF, UH, THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WOULD BE NEAR TO A TREE AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY, ONE MITIGATION MEASURE THAT THEY WOULD, OR MEASURE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE WOULD BE TO PUT DOWN PLANKS OF PLYWOOD TO DRIVE OVER THE PLYWOOD TO DISPERSE THE WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION, RATHER THAN POTENTIALLY CRUSHING THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE TREE AND PUTTING IN BARK PROTECTION MEASURES.
SO THAT THAT ALL GETS TAKEN INTO.
THAT'S PART OF THE BUT CAN PROCESS ANYWAY.
CAN WE PUT AS A COMMENTS OR CONDITION, NOT COMMENTS? THAT'S PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND, AND ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE SILT FENCING AND, AND NO, NO, NO.
SO AS LONG AS YOU, YOU ASSURE US, OH, I DO THAT.
UH, THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, BUT IF WE WANT TO ADD A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, ABOUT CONDITIONS CHAPTER TWO 60, LIKE MATT PUT TOGETHER IN HIS REPORT, YOU KNOW, SOME CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE TIED, WE CAN ADD THAT ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
SHOULD BE RESTORED BACK TO THE, UH, TO THE EXISTING CONDITION.
DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY YOU DID? RIGHT? I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, APPLICATION.
I THINK ALL THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES ARE IN PLACE.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, UH, TURN THAT, TURN THIS OVER TO THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN ALL IN FAVOR.
OKAY, KAREN, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT IF THAT'S, SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION, I COUNTED, THERE ARE 12 REFERENCES TO, UH, THE WETLAND INSPECTOR.
NOW OUR WETLAND INSPECTOR, I BELIEVE RETIRED SOMETIME IN JUNE.
SO ALL OF THAT WORK WILL GO TO AARON UNLESS, AND DO SO.
WHAT ARE THE PLANS? DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE HIRED SOMEONE? WE, SO MATT, MATT BRITTEN IS FUNCTIONING AS OUR TOWN WETLAND INSPECTOR.
SO I'M STANDING IN FOR THE FORESTRY.
GOOD TRY OR NOT GOOD? TRY TO GET HIM TO RAISE IT DIDN'T WORK.
'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
UH, CASE PB 1709, THE CONTINUATION OF A WORK SESSION FOR PRIZER ONE 10 HAM AVENUE.
UH, IT WAS A PRE-APPROVAL OF REQUEST ORIGINALLY, BUT TONIGHT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS SEEKER AND ALSO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AS YOU KNOW, WE, THIS HAS BEEN AROUND OBVIOUSLY SINCE 2017.
AND THE ONLY CHANGE, AND WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, MR. RETI TOOK US THROUGH A EDUCATION ON HOW FLOODS FLOW THROUGH, THROUGH RIVERS AND, AND PARTICULAR THAT THAT RIVER,
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AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN, IN DETAIL.I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO IT AGAIN, AND I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN.
THE ONLY ISSUE AT ALL WAS THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME IT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY, UM, THEY HAD ANOTHER PARKING, UH, SPACES ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH NO LONGER EXIST, WHICH CAUSED THIS TO REQUIRE A VARIANCE OF THE ZONING BOARD THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING BOARD, UH, TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE, ON THAT.
AND ALSO WE HAVE TO, WE, WE, WE'VE ALREADY DECLARED OURSELF LEAD AGENCY.
WE JUST NEED AT THIS POINT TO DO SECRET.
I, WHAT I'M GONNA SAY TONIGHT IS I DON'T WANT TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THIS.
I WANT TO HEAR MUCH MORE, AND IT CAN EITHER YOU OR MR. PRIZER ABOUT THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THIS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
SO IF YOU KEEP IT SHORT TO THAT, YOU CAN, AGAIN, JUST SO THE, THE PUBLIC KNOWS AGAIN, THE ISSUE.
AND I, WE ALL, UH, WE ALL KNOW THE ISSUE WITH FLOODING THERE.
WE ALSO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT A BUSINESS AND HOW, HOW THIS HAS BEEN AND HOW THIS HAS BEEN A THRIVING BUSINESS IN GREENBURG FOR YEARS.
AND THIS IS IMPROVING THE AREA.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT.
SO JUST 40,000 FEET UP PLEASE TONIGHT.
AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE BUSINESS AGAIN.
UM, AND AS THEY'RE APPROACHING, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT SINCE THE LAST WORK SESSION, THE BOARD BOARD MEMBERS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN GETTING OUT TO THE SITE.
I WENT OUT THERE ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS.
ONE WITH MR. SIMON, ONE WITH MR. GOLDEN.
MR. GOLDEN COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
HE ISSUED SOME COMMENTS BY EMAIL.
MR. SIMON WANTS TO OPINE ON WHAT WE SAW, BUT IT IT WAS EYEOPENING, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, I WENT OUT.
I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T HOW MANY, NORMALLY WHAT WE DO, WE TALK ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE SITE.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ONLY THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, UH, YOU WANT FINISH HIM SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY HERE.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR WALTER SOME CONTACT, LET THEM FINISH.
NORM, WHEN SOMEONE HAVE A SITE VISIT, THEY REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD.
I WILL READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AFTER YOU RIGHT.
I WENT AND SAW OUR REPORT, THE TWO VISITS THAT I MADE, ONE, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT AND AARON.
AND WE DISCOVERED THAT THE SOURCE, THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM GOES ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO NEXT TO SAM'S.
AND THERE IS, UH, A BRIDGE THERE THAT ACTUALLY IS NARROWS THE, THE, THE FLOW OF THE WATER THAT BACKS UP.
AND THAT GOES INTO I, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF WATER PATH.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE MECHANIC.
AND THEN THAT DUMPS ONTO THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, UH, WE, UH, UH, AFTER IT RAIN, I WENT THERE ON IT SATURDAY AFTER THE RAIN.
AND THAT WAS A DOWNPOUR OF ONLY ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
AND I WENT THERE AND THE WATER WAS, UH, DIDN'T OVERFLOW ITS BANKS, BUT, UH, YOU COULDN'T GET INTO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE WHOLE INTERSECTION WAS FLOODED UP TO THE CURBS.
AND THAT WAS JUST A 15 MINUTE DOWNPOUR.
SO, UH, WE KNOW THE WHOLE HISTORY WHEN THEY WERE, UH, GREATER DOWNPOURS AND THE WHOLE AREA GETS FLOODED.
SO THAT'S, UH, AN IMPORTANT THING THERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP DURING THE CONVERSATION, UH, UH, WAS THAT, UM, IT'S ALMOST, WELL, UH, SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE NOW BECAUSE THEY FLOODED SO MANY TIMES.
SO, SO THOSE ARE THINGS I LEARNED FROM THOSE TWO VISITS THAT I MADE.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING.
THE REASON THIS THING IS
AND THEY, AND I'M SURE I WASN'T ON THE BOARD, BUT SOMEBODY HAS APPROVED ALL THAT, ALL THAT FILM, WHICH, WHICH WAS MORE THAN FIVE FEET OF FAIL, WHICH WAS THE CONSISTENTLY, UH, WE SITTING ON BOARD.
SOMEBODY NOT YOU OR ME, HAS BEEN DOING IT EXASPERATING THIS WHOLE FLOODING ALL ALONG THE SAWMILL, UH, PATHWAY.
AND THEN INCREMENTALLY, WE ARE ALLOWING
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IT TO BUILD AND BUILD AND, AND, AND NARROWING IT, THE PLACE FOR WATER TO GO.SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY COMES AND FLOODS IN WHERE NINE A NEAR TO MY HOUSE.
SO 15 MINUTES OF RAIN AND IT FLOODS THE NINE DAY WHERE I CANNOT GO FROM THERE TO THE PLACE YOU WORKED BEFORE.
AND IT'S LIKE A CLIMATE CHANGE.
EVERYBODY DOES LITTLE THINGS AND IT ADDS UP.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID WE SHOULD REALLY STOP SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT SUFFER FOR THINGS THAT THEY HAVE NOT DONE IT.
BUT IF YOU KEEP APPROVING IT, THERE IS, THERE IS GOING TO BE A, A SORT OF DOMINO EFFECT GOING ON.
AND THEN NEXT GUY COMING, HE WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE.
SO NOW THEY HAVE TO RAISE THE WHOLE THINGS ABOUT WHAT, EIGHT FEET, NINE FEET.
SO THEY'RE NOT RAISING THE GRADE OF THE PROPERTY, RAISING THE BUILDING.
THE OPERATIONS, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THE WATER, IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES, IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES IT NOT WELL, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT THEY SAY.
THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEERS SAY.
NO, IT'S A HALF INCH OF THE WATER LEVEL INCREASING BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND HALF INCH IS A LOT FOR THE CON TO CON EVERYBODY'S HEADS.
A HALF INCH BECOMES, OKAY, I'LL LET MR. RETI ANSWER THAT.
BUT SO I, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU.
I HAVE VISITED SITE BEFORE AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY'RE SYMPATHETIC TO THEIR WORK DOING IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU SEE IS THAT WE GOING TO BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST MOVE ON.
ALL I THINK WE DEALT WITH THAT.
I DON'T, CAN WE STOP THE DISCUSSION AND LET MR. PER AND MR. PRIZER SPEAK, PLEASE? UM, MIKE'S YEAH, MY MIC'S ON.
OH, MICHAEL MICHAEL'S, UM, OH, MICHAEL'S, MICHAEL'S COMMENTS.
I'M GONNA READ MICHAEL'S COMMENTS AFTER THEY SPEAK, BUT THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE THRUST OF THE APPLICATION IS TO RAISE THE BUILDING AND WE'RE GONNA RAISE IT UP, UH, TO THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT IN THE BUILDING CODE.
AND, UH, SO ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THERE, YOU HAVE TO GO THREE FEET ABOVE, THREE FEET ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
UH, THE BUILDING, UH, IS ALWAYS IN JEOPARDY, YOU KNOW THAT.
AND, UM, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, ON A THREAT OF A RAINFALL EVENT, HE EVACUATED THE BUILDING OKAY.
AND HE INTENDS TO DO THAT OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS.
THE RAISING THE BUILDING HAS, HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON, ON THE FLOOD ELEVATIONS.
IT'S SO FAR FROM THE RIVER, OKAY? AND IT'S, UH, IN INCONSEQUENTIAL AREA RELATED TO THE WHOLE DRAINAGE BASIN.
BUT GLEN SHOULD, UH, I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN GLEN 'CAUSE HE'S THERE EVERY DAY.
ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
HE CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
I'D APPRECIATE THAT, THAT MR. FREDDY.
I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 32 YEARS, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THE TOWN.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
YESTERDAY'S RAINFALL, I HAD TO TAKE 40 GUYS FROM MY OPERATION, MOVE EVERY SINGLE CAR, EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, ELEVATE EVERYTHING.
WE TOTALLY STOPPED PRODUCTION.
I COULDN'T TAKE ANY WORK IN, I COULDN'T DO A SINGLE THING TODAY.
WE WENT DOWN TO THE SHOP SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, SAID WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SHOP BECAUSE IT WAS ACCESSIBLE.
THE WATER WENT DOWN SO WE WERE ACCESSIBLE.
SO THE WHOLE DAY TODAY, I HAD 40 GUYS TOOK 'EM FROM EVERY LOCATION I HAVE, MOVING EVERYTHING BACK, CLEANING UP, STUFF LIKE THIS.
OH, I WENT BACK FOUR YEARS AND I WENT BACK THROUGH MY PERSONAL RECORDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I CANNOT GET A FLOOD INSURANCE.
I CANNOT EVEN GET GOOD INSURANCE ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY CLAIMS IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS ALONE.
I TOOK $1.2 MILLION OUTTA MY PERSONAL LIFETIME SAVINGS TO RETIRE ON.
AND I DUMPED IT BACK INTO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE GET FLOODING AND WE MOVE STUFF OUT, SOMETHING, EITHER SOMETHING GOES WRONG, THERE'S SOMETHING WE MISSED, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TODAY, WE MOVED ALL THE GUYS' TOOLBOXES OUT.
WE PUT IT IN A TRACTOR TRAILER.
HE DROVE THE TRUCK BACK TOO FAST.
ONE GUY'S TOOLBOX FLIPPED OVER.
I FELT HORRIBLE FOR MY MECHANIC THERE.
I OFFERED TO PAY $20,000 OUT OF MY OWN POCKET.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE SINGLE THING ELSE GO WRONG.
NO CARS GOT FLOODED, NO OTHER EQUIPMENT GOT DAMAGED.
BUT I, I REALLY CAN'T GO ON AS A HUMAN BEING.
NONE OF YOU PEOPLE CAN REALIZE LIVING IN A FLOOD ZONE, BEING THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY, I HAVE TO MAP MY VACATIONS AROUND IT.
I CAN ONLY GO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE YEAR.
I LOST PROBABLY $500,000 THERE.
LIKE, YOU GUYS GOTTA LIKE, BEND THE RULES HERE AND GIVE ME A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I GOTTA DO.
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NEED TO BEND THE RULES.I, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL CONSIDER EVERY EVERYONE THAT COMES AROUND AND THEY'RE LIKE, HOW DO YOU DO THIS? HOW CAN YOU STAY? IT? I LOVE MY JOB.
AND LIKE, I DO WORK FOR SO MANY PEOPLE.
AND IN ALL HONESTY, LIKE WHEN I LEAVE AND WHEN I GET FED UP ONE DAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE IS GONNA BE HURT.
I MEAN, I DREW TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK FOR THE TOWN.
I DO ANYTHING YOUR TOWN CAN'T DO.
I DO IT FOR EVERY OTHER TOWN IN THE INDUSTRY.
IF YOU COME BY MY SHOP EVERY DAY, YOU'LL SEE HASTINGS, DOB, FERRY, TARRYTOWN, IRVINGTON.
I DO EVERYONE'S WORK AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I CAN GO LIKE THIS FLOODING EVERY SINGLE DAY, LIVING IN FEAR.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO EVACUATE THE SHOP PROBABLY FRIDAY AND EVACUATE SATURDAY AS WELL.
AND I, I JUST REALLY CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
AARON, YOU HAD ONE THING TO SAY.
YEAH, JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING QUICKLY.
SO MR. GOLDEN AND I WERE SET TO MEET OUT THERE ON TUESDAY, UM, YESTERDAY.
SO WENT OUT TO THE, WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND I COULDN'T EVEN MEET MR. PRIZER COULD NOT EVEN JOIN US BECAUSE OF THE IMPENDING REIGNS.
THEY WERE IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE.
SO HE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH HIS WIFE WHO GOT HIM ON THE PHONE.
TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.
WE'RE JUST HERE TO MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS AND YOU CAN SEE IT.
I WANTED TO ASK, WHAT'S TIME YOU WERE THERE? YEAH, WE WERE THERE AT ONE O'CLOCK AND THEY WERE ALREADY IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE FOR HOURS.
SO LEMME TRY TO MAKE THIS THING SIMPLE.
OKAY? WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE PLAN.
WE ARE NOT BUILDING SOME FANCY NEW BUILDING.
THIS IS A NECESSITY TO KEEP AN EXISTING BUSINESS IN THERE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING AD NAUSEUM.
I REMEMBER LOOKING AT WATER FLOWS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS AS WE DID THIS.
WE LOOK AT THIS THE LAST TIME, AND I'M GONNA READ SOMETHING.
I, MICHAEL GOLDEN REALLY SYNTHESIZE IT DOWN.
HE UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T BE WITH US TONIGHT.
WHAT HE WROTE TO ME TODAY, OR WROTE TO US TODAY, THOUGHTS ON OUR SITE VISIT YESTERDAY AND PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST VARIANCE.
HE KNOWS THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE DEALING WITH.
A APPLICANT HAS HAD ONLY SIX TO EIGHT EMPLOYEES FOR MANY YEARS WHEN HE'S TALKING ABOUT 40.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN ALL LOCATIONS.
AND EXPECTS THE SAME WITH THE NEW BUILDING.
A PARKING REDUCTION VARIANCE CAN MAKE CONDITION ON THE BUSINESS AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES REMAINING UNCHANGED OR SOMETHING AROUND THOSE LINES.
THE ZONING CODE OBVIOUSLY DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THE NATURE OF THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS REQUIRING ONE SPACE PER A HUNDRED FEET.
'CAUSE THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL DAY.
ADDITIONALLY, PARKING IS AVAILABLE ON THE UNBUILT AREA OF THE NORTH SIDE.
I GUESS YOU CAN STACK THE CARS IN THERE.
UH, THIS IS USED FOR TRUCK MOVEMENTS, WHICH ARE INFREQUENT.
AND PARKED CARS CAN BE TEMPORARILY MOVED IF AND WHEN NECESSARY.
THE PLAN SHOULD BE SUPPORTED DUE TO THE FLOODING ISSUES.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUMMARY OF WHERE I THINK WE'RE AT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE I I START TAKING VOTES HERE? I JUST, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT YOU TO BE, UH, UH, BEEN A VERY GOOD, UH, UH, EMPLOYEE FOR THE TOWN AND DOING GREAT WORK, AND I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE, UH, SO MY ONE QUESTION IS THAT WITH ALL THE HARDSHIP, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUE DOING IT REGARDLESS OF, WE GIVE YOU, UH, A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS ANOTHER ISSUE WE HAVE WITH A, UH, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING VARIANCES.
BUT WITH ALL THESE DIFFICULTIES, UH, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE STILL WANTED TO KEEP GOING OR, OR JUST, JUST GONNA BE MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO, BECAUSE WE ARE GIVING THIS EXCEPTION IS PRIMARILY TO KEEP AND ACCOMMODATE YOUR NEED.
SO I WANTED TO HAVE SOME COMMON COMMENTS FROM YOU ABOUT IT.
ONE STARTING COLLEGE RIGHT NOW.
JUST, JUST COME UP TO THE MIC.
I HAVE THREE LITTLE KIDS AND ONE STARTING COLLEGE RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA BE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL.
COULD I FIND FINANCIALLY RETIRE RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I COULD, BUT LIKE, I DON'T, I I'M A WORKAHOLIC.
I WORK, MY, MY TOWING OPERATION IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
THE PHONE RINGS IN MY BEDROOM EVERY NIGHT.
I DO WORK FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
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CONSTANTLY CALLING ME 24 HOURS A DAY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.SO I PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL.
MORE THAN LIKELY I'M GONNA EITHER PASS IT DOWN TO ONE OF MY CHILDREN OR ONE OF MY WORKERS WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
BUT I PLAN ON BEING HERE AT LEAST 20 MORE YEARS AT LEAST.
AND FOR CLARIFICATION, WE CAN MAKE THIS VERY SPECIFIC, AMANDA, CORRECT? YES.
SO, UH, TO MICHAEL'S POINT, I WANTED TO SIMPLIFY IT SIMPLY AS THAT ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE VOLUME OR OF BUSINESS OR THE NAM NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT MAY POTENTIALLY ALTER THE, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR PARKING NEEDS COULD BE A REASON TO COME BACK FOR REEVALUATION.
WE CAN PUT THAT IN CONDITION, WE CAN MAKE THAT, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION ZONE.
CAN WE, AND EVEN IN A CONDITION OF THE SITE PLAN, TOM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE LAST THING
THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE PARKING.
MAYBE IT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE PARKING.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT DOES NOT APPEAR.
ALSO, THIS, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED A FEW YEARS AGO AND JUST NEVER CAME TO FRUITION.
SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, RIGHT? I SAID THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE PARKING, WHICH IS, WHICH IS IRRELEVANT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS.
I, OR I MEAN, IT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF OUR ZONING CODE, BUT THERE'S A GOOD, GOOD REASON WHY A VARIANCE SHOULD BE GRANTED IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
THE, THE REASON, AMANDA, IS THAT WE, I MEAN, UH, MORE THAN 15 YEARS ON THE BOARD AND IN PAST, WE HAVE GIVEN A, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE VARIANCES AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS NEVER GOT BUILT SO FAR.
MM-HMM,
SO, SO, SO THAT IS, I UNDERSTAND.
UM, THE FIRST MOTION IS, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DEC UH, DECLARE THIS? DID WE DO A TYPE? WE HAVE TO DO TYPE ONE FIRST? SO IT'S A TYPE ONE? YEAH.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS TYPE ONE? SO, SORRY, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I DO HAVE TO DECLARE LEAD AGENCY, UH, WE DISTRIBUTE THE NOTICE OF INTENT AND RECEIVE NO OBJECTION.
UM,
SO SECOND, LESLIE AND, AND WALTER.
I'LL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THIS A TYPE ONE ACTION UNDER SEEKER? SO MOVE SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, NOW LET'S DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY, I, EVERYBODY VOTED OKAY.
THE NEG DECK TO THE NEG DECK? YES.
IT'S SIX TO SIX TO, AND ONE ABSTENTION THEN.
UM, NOW I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THIS IS GONNA BE FUN.
UM, ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
THIS IS ONE WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
THIS BUSINESS WON'T EXIST WITHOUT THIS ZONING, THIS, THIS, UH, THIS.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THAT REASON ALONE THAT THIS SHOULD BE A, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE AS WELL, INCLUDING OUR, OUR, OUR, I'LL START.
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I CONSIDER THIS BUSINESS.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ESSENTIAL WORKERS, WE ALWAYS THINK ABOUT FIRST RESPONDERS, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORT ESSENTIAL WORKERS.
AND TO HIS POINT, HIS BUSINESS UP UPHOLDS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND THE LIKE, BEYOND THAT, THIS WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO PRIOR TO THE RULES THAT WE DEVELOPED RECENTLY.
SO I THINK JUST STAYING, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL VOTES THAT, THAT OFFERED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD DO THAT TODAY.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE, BUT I'M GONNA BE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.
THIS IS A CHANGE NOT TO THE RULES.
THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GET THE PARKING ACROSS THE OTHER PARKING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, MAKE THE CORRECT THE RECORD.
I, I, I THINK, THINK I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE COMPLAINT.
YOU SHOULD GO AROUND IT CAN AND, AND DO THAT, PLEASE.
CAN I PLEASE YOU? YOU, THAT'S NOT VERY NICE.
THAT'S WHO I'M RECOGNIZING FIRST, THEN I'M GO, GO TO WESLEY.
I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE POSITIVE IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT IS NECESSARY IN THAT AREA IN ORDER
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TO EVEN CONDUCT BUSINESS.THAT BUSINESS OR ANY BUSINESS IN THAT LOCATION CAN'T EXIST IF IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, REDONE IN THIS FASHION AND RAISED UP.
SO THAT TO ME IS A PLANNING ISSUE THAT I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT.
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT HIS BUSINESS IS THERE ANY OTHER FUTURE BUSINESS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE BECAUSE OF THE NOT.
LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, I DO NOT.
OKAY, WALTER? YEAH, I, I'M SORRY, CRAIG, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO AFTER YOU.
UH, UH, YOU ARE VERY SELECTIVE.
AND I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT AT ALL.
AND YOU, YOU GO AHEAD I'S NOT, UH, VERY APPROPRIATE.
ANYWAY, SO, UH, MY, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK, UH, UH, AGAIN, FOR REASON THAT, UH, I MADE A COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING ABOUT THE LAST, UH, LAST MEETING.
WHERE JOHAN WORDED, UH, A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, 2, 2, 2, 2 ISSUES NOT RELATED TO, UH, THE APPLICANTS, BUT, UH, ARE WE, WHY DO WE, FIRST OF ALL, WHY WOULD WE SET UP THESE KIND OF GUIDELINES IF WE'RE GOING TO BREAK IT, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO IS THAT, ARE WE BECOMING A ECONOMIC, UH, A DEVELOPMENT, UH, BOARD OR SOMETHING? BECAUSE I THINK I, I THINK, UM, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND ALSO GOING OVER THE, THE REASON WE HAD THIS GUIDELINES SET UP WAS PRIMARILY THE, THAT WE ACTUALLY SHOULD NOT INTERFERING OTHER BOARDS BUSINESS.
OUR BUSINESS IS A, UH, LAND USE AND ONLY TIME WE SHOULD DABBLE INTO IT.
WANNA SAY IT AGAIN? UH, ISSUE THAT RELATES TO IT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY MAYBE FALSE INTO THAT CATEGORY, BUT CONSIDERING THAT WE SET UP THESE GUIDELINES AFTER A LOT OF PUSHBACK AND COUPLE OF, UH, CASES THAT ZONING BOARD DID NOT LIKE US DOING, RECOMMENDING POSITIVE SINCE IT WAS THEIR PURVIEW OF THE THINGS.
SO WITH THAT, I SAY I WANTED TO, UH, ABSENCE ON, UH, MAKING THAT POSITIVE.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, MR. HAY JUST GAVE AT LEAST HIS REASON WHY HE FELT, UH, HE WOULD VOTE YOU POSITIVE.
WHY DON'T YOU, WHY ARE YOU REPEATING ROUND TABLE? LET, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S NOT, LET'S MOVE ON.
WALTER HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
TWO MINUTES, MR. UH, I VOTE POSITIVE.
AND, UH, AND, UH, AND I THINK IT'S NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE PRINCIPLES WE SET UP IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT ARE THINGS THAT CLEARLY IS ZONING THAT WE LET THE ZONING AND WILL STAY NEUTRAL.
AND FOR THOSE THINGS WE FEEL THAT, UH, UH, UH, HAS A LOT OF WEIGHT IN PLANNING.
THEN WE'LL TAKE A MORE, MORE AGGRESSIVE STAND.
AND, AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK THIS IS A PLANNING ISSUE.
YOU HAVE FLOODING THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE AREA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING.
THIS IS FLOODING IN THAT WHOLE AREA DOWN THERE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, OVER THE YEARS, DIFFERENT, UH, PROJECTS WERE APPROVED THAT ADDED TO THE PROBLEM OF FLOODING IN THAT AREA.
I HAVEN'T, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN DOES NOT ADD TO THE FLOODING IN THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS JUST RAISING THE BUILDING UP.
RIGHT? SO, NO, IT, I'M TALKING NOW.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
IT RAISED THE BUILDING UP AND WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF CALCULATIONS FROM, UH, MR. PERRETTI.
AND AT THAT TIME YOU HAD MUHAMMAD ALI, WHO WAS A, WHO ALSO IS A PROFESSIONAL MUHAMMAD AOU, WHO IS ALSO A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE OF BUILDING ALL THE, UH, UH, THE, THE WATERWAY ALL ALONG MANHATTAN.
SO YOU HAVE TWO OUTSTANDING PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS.
AND ALTHOUGH THEY HAD DIFFERENCES AT THE END OF
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THE DAY, THEY BOTH AGREED THAT THIS DESIGN WAS GOOD.IT DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE FLOODING IN THE AREA.
SO THE IDEA THAT THIS PROJECT WILL ADD, I'LL TAKE THE WORD OF, UH, OF, UH, OF MUHAMMAD IU AND MR. PERETI, I'LL TAKE ALL THESE WORDS AND, AND, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHO ALL AGREE THAT THE, THE, UH, THIS PROJECT WILL NOT ADD TO THE FLOODING.
AND SO IT IS, AS I SAID, THIS IS NOT MERELY A ZONING RELATING TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IS THE WHOLE PLANNING.
WHAT DO WE, HOW DO WE TREAT THAT ENTIRE AREA? AND THAT'S A PLANNING ISSUE.
SO I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE IN, IN VOTING, UH, FOR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND I JUST, UM, WANNA MAKE A DISTINCTION BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT IS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND CLIMATE CHANGE.
THERE, THERE'S ISSUES OF THINGS BEING BUILT THAT MAY CAUSE FLOODING THAT MAY, UM, YOU KNOW, PROHIBIT DRAINAGE.
BUT THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD MORE RAIN.
SO THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER AND WE DO HAVE TO ADAPT TO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.
SO I AM NOT, UM, A WEATHER PERSON, I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE RAIN THAN THERE USED TO BE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT SOMEONE IS BUILDING, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.
LIKE WE MOVED FROM 50 YEAR TO A HUNDRED YEARS.
I WANNA SAY ONE OTHER THING, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE.
THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS WE'RE NOT CHANGING USES.
WE'RE NOT EVEN CHANGING BUSINESSES.
IN FACT, WHAT MATTER HAS SAID, WE CAN WRITE INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT THIS IS RELATING TO THIS BUS BUSINESS.
UM, SO WE CAN DO THAT TO, TO MINIMIZE ANY, ANY OTHER RAMIFICATIONS FROM IT.
NOT JUST TO CLARIFY, NOT THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS, BUT THE CURRENT VOLUME AND NATURE OF THE BUSINESS, OF THE OPERATION.
IF THERE'S CHANGES, BECAUSE IT RELATES TO THE PARKING USE, LIKE THE PARKING DEMAND CURRENTLY.
CAN I MAKE ONE? GO AHEAD, MR. PER.
I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT THERE WAS AN APPLICATION BY MALIA, OKAY.
AND, AND, AND JACK, LINDA JACKSON, HE'S THE THIRD ENGINEER.
HE DID A, HE HE ISSUED A NO RISE CER CERTIFICATION FOR THAT.
SO THERE'S NO RISE IN THE WAR.
AND, AND IT'S, AND THANK YOU MR. FREDDY.
IT HAS BEEN, BEEN PROVEN A FEW TIMES.
CAN I JUST, CAN WE JUST END THIS AND TAKE A VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO DECLARE THIS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO, TO THE, UH, ZONING BOARD AND, UH, WITH AMANDA, WITH, WITH THE, THE LANGUAGE OF AMANDA WHO WAS SUGGESTING AS AMENDED? WE HAVEN'T EVEN DONE IT YET, SO IT'S NOT AS AMENDED.
WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS JOHANN ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. PRYER.
SO YOUR NEXT STEP IS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH I GUESS WILL BE, ARE YOU IN THE AUGUST ONE OR DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER? NO, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF FILING.
THEY WANTED TO SECURE THE RECOMMENDATION FIRST.
MY GUESS IS IT'LL BE IN SEPTEMBER.
A GOOD REST OF THE SUMMER TOO.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A COUPLE MINUTE BREAK.
BREAK AND THEN, UH, GO UH, UP ON THE DA AND UH, DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. SPARKS OUR ALTERNATE PRESENT.
MR. GOLDEN'S NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
SO MS. SPARKS WILL BE A FULL VOTING HONOR.
UH, FIRST CASE IS PV 2324 LEON CHANG.
THAT'S TWO 60 SOUTH HEALY AVENUE, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, CAN THE APPLICANT, UH, TAKE US, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN TAKE US THROUGH THE PROJECT, PLEASE? YES.
MY NAME IS MIGUEL SOFIAS WITH HEARTLAND ENGINEERING.
WE PREPARED THE SITE ENGINEERING PLANS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
THIS, THE SITE IS LOCATED TWO 60 SOUTH HEALY AVENUE.
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SO WE HAVE, HERE IS A, UH, THE, THE LOT, THE SUBJECT LOT IS LOCATED ON SOUTH HEALY AVENUE.AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THE GOOGLE IMAGES, UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME THERE RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, THAT BURNED DOWN.
UH, THERE WAS A FIRE, FIRE DAMAGE TO EXTENSIVE FIRE DAMAGE.
AND THE PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT WILL BE TO REMOVE, UH, THAT SINGLE, THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND REPLACE IT WITH A, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME AS WELL.
UH, THE, THE SITE IS ACCESSED BY ONE, UM, BY A, AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, AS SHOWN IN THIS, IN THIS LOCATION OF THIS, UH, RED DOT, UM, THE PLAN IS FOR THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO BE REUSED IN ORDER TO ENTER INTO THE, INTO THE SITE.
THE SITE IS, UM, ELEVATED, UH, AT A PLATEAU.
IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL GRAY CHANGE, UM, ON THE LOT.
UM, I'LL JUST, UH, ZOOM IN HERE A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SHOW SOME OF THE, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO THIS IS THE STREET VIEW, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.
AND THE EXISTING HOME IS PERCHED UP AT THE TOP OF THIS, UM, UH, THE, THE CENTER OF THE LOT ITSELF.
UH, AND THEN MOVING TO THE, THE PLAN, THE PLAN, THE RENDERING ITSELF, JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE HOME WILL, WILL LOOK LIKE.
UH, SO THIS IS THE RENDERING FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
UM, AND, UH, FOR REFERENCE, IT'S, UH, TWO STORIES WITH THE PART WITH A BASEMENT, UM, FOUR BEDROOM, UH, HOME.
SO THE, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN IS THE SITE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UM, IS TO THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH WILL BE UTILIZED AGAIN, UM, AS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THE HOME ESSENTIALLY IS IN THE SAME LOCATION OF THE, THE PROPOSED HOME IS ESSENTIALLY IN THE SAME LOCATION OF THE EXISTING HOME, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE, UH, OF JUST THE, THE STEEP SLOPES THAT, UH, SURROUND THIS SITE.
UM, THE PROJECT ITSELF, UH, WILL BE PROPOSING TO REMOVE ONE TREE AND IN THE BACKYARD.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, A KEY FEATURE TO THE SITE, UH, THE SOUTH, UH, THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, THERE'S A WATERCOURSE.
UH, WE WENT AND PRESENTED THIS TO, UM, UM, FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND, UH, THE, UM, CONSERVATION.
UM, AND, UH, THEY PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK, UM, AND WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT INTO THE PLANS.
UH, BUT NOTHING, UM, SUBSTANTIAL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THE, THE PLANS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE BOROUGH ENGINEER AFTER, UH, A FEW ROUNDS OF COMMENTS.
UH, UH, THEY ARE SATISFACTORY WITH OUR, UH, APPROACH.
UH, SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW IS ALL OF THE STORM WATER ESSENTIALLY JUST DISCHARGES OFF THE SITE.
UH, THERE ULTIMATELY THERE ISN'T A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM CURRENT CURRENTLY, UH, AGAIN, UH, WITH, UH, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE, UH, THE BOROUGH ENGINEER, UH, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, FOR THE SITE IS PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THE GENERAL APPROACH IS ALL OF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA ON SITE WILL BE DIRECTED TO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
UH, ONE UH, A GOOD THING TO TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE OVERALL, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WE ACTUALLY REDUCE IT BY JUST UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET.
SO ULTIMATELY IT'S, THERE'S NO NET CHANGE TO, TO THE, UH, COVERAGES AS A WHOLE.
UM, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AGAIN, IS THE, FROM THE ROOF.
AND, UH, THE PARTIAL, UH, ABOUT 60% OF THE DRIVEWAY IS DIRECTED TO A UNDERGROUND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DETENTION SYSTEM, UH, THAT WILL COLLECT THE STORMWATER AND, UH, RELEASE IT, UM, AT A REDUCED RATE.
UM, THE SECOND PORTION OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS, UH, TO THE NORTH OF A PROPOSED TRENCH STRAIN, UM, WILL BE DIRECTED TO A DRAINAGE SWALE OFF TO THE SOUTH, TO THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT DRAINAGE SWALE COMPRISED OF, OF DRAINAGE STONE.
IN ORDER TO, TO MITIGATE THAT WATER AT THE BASE OF THE DRAINAGE SWALE, THERE'S ALSO A CATCH BASIN, AND THAT WILL COLLECT, UH, COLLECT THE STORM WATER.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, BECAUSE OF THE TREE REMOVAL, WE ARE ALSO PLANTING, UH, ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, TO SET, TO OFFSET, UH, THAT IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE, THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ULTIMATELY YES, THAT, THAT IN, IN GENERAL IS THE, THE PROJECT
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OVERVIEW, UH, OF THIS PROJECT.UM, I WANT TO OBTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, BUT I WILL ONLY DO IT ONE AT A TIME, SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND I'LL WALTER, AND THEN CORRECT.
UM, UH, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I SEE YOU HAVE, UH, THE DRAINAGE AT THE END, UH, WELL, ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN, 40% DOWN THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES INTO, UH, THAT RETENTION POND.
UH, I'M ASSUMING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IT'S THERE AND IT'S NOT AT THE END BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT.
SO THE, UH, ONE, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THE ONE THING THAT I, I DID NOT MENTION IS THAT THE, THE SITE ITSELF, WE PERFORMED THREE, UH, INVESTIGATIONS, THREE TEST PITS, UH, ESSENTIALLY TRYING, UH, TRIANGULATING THE, THE AREA, UH, BASED ON THAT, THOSE TEST PITS GROUND, UM, BEDROCK IS, VARIES ANYWHERE FROM 18 TO 24 INCHES BELOW GRADE.
SO IN ORDER TO, IF WE WERE TO INSTALL, UH, WE STRATEGICALLY INSTALLING THE DETENTION SYSTEM UPHILL AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE WATER TO COLLECT INTO THIS DETENTION SYSTEM AND GET RELEASED AT A, AT A MUCH SLOWER, UM, RATE IF WE WERE TO INSTALL THIS DETENTION SYSTEM DOWN AT THE BASE.
ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS JUST INSTALLING A BATHTUB AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
'CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO EXCAVATE ROCK, AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT WOULD JUST BECOME A POOL AND WATER WOULD JUST RUN OUT AND, OKAY.
OF THE, UH, OF THE, THE CALTECH SYSTEMS BECAUSE YEAH, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T, UH, INSTALL THAT ON ROCK.
MY QUESTION IS, AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, IS THERE ANY ENGINE, IS THERE ANYTHING CAN BE DONE TO CAPTURE THAT WATER, TO PUT EITHER IN THAT RETENTION POND OR, WELL, YOU, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T PUT IT UPHILL, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANYTHING YOU COULD DO, DO TO CAPTURE THAT AT THE, AT THE RETENTION BASIN? YES.
SO JUST NORTH OF THAT TRENCH DRAIN, THE DRIVEWAY IS DESIGNED TO SLOPE TOWARDS A DRAINAGE SWALE.
YOU DID IT, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
THAT WAS SOMETHING WE CAME UP WITH AFTER WORK SESSION, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT.
UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S RELATED TO WHAT WALTER SAID, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CLARIFY.
SO, UH, IF, IF THAT SLOPE IS TOWARD THE HOUSE FROM THE DRIVEWAY WHERE I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THAT DRAIN AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY BRINGS THE WATER BACK TO THE BACK, TO THE, UH, BACK TO THE, UM, UH, THE TENSION TANKS OR, UH, TO THE, UH, I, I GUESS ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION FROM THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAIN, IT GOES UP, IT SLOPES UP FROM THE, THE PROPERTY LINE.
IF, IF I'M UNDER, SO WHERE'S THE WATER GO ON THAT BOTTOM DRAIN, I THINK IS THE QUESTION.
IT'S AT THIS CA AT THE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE SWALE IN THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
IT COLLECTS AND DAYLIGHTS, UM, AT THIS LOCATION.
OKAY, SO IT JUST PERCOLATES THERE? CORRECT.
ULTIMATELY, MOST OF THE WATER IS CAPTURED IN THAT DRAINAGE SW.
OH, SO IT'S NOT MUCH OF THE WATER.
IT'S GOING COME BACK TO THE NO.
SO WHAT IS THAT, THAT OTHER DASH LINE IS THIS DASH LINE? YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OVERFLOWS, THE ORIFICE AND THE OVERFLOW FROM THE DETENTION TANK, AND THEN IT GOES TO THE STREET? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE FRONT YARD, NOT DIRECTLY TO THE CURB.
AND, AND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER AND DEEMED ACCEPTABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, I WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS CA SHOW OF HANDS, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? YOU WANNA SPEAK? AND THEN YEAH, WHEN YOU, I'M GONNA JUST YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AT, AT THE, AT THE MIC.
MY NAME IS ANDRE PATRAN LIVE ONE 40 NORTH HILL AVENUE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT AT ALL, BECAUSE RIGHT HERE IN YOUR PAPERWORK IT SAYS 500 FEET SOUTH FROM THE CORNER OF SOUTH HILLY, AND ELIZABETH
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AND I WAS THERE TODAY.I TOOK A FEW PICTURES, THAT'S WHY I'M TAKING THE PICTURES TODAY AND ON THE OTHER HAND SIDE AND, UH, AT THE LOCATION.
BUT I THOUGHT THE, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
IT IS TOTALLY INACCESSIBLE, IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD ANYTHING AT ALL BECAUSE THERE'S A STEEP INCLINE DOWN TO THE CREEK.
SO AM I TALKING ABOUT THE WRONG LOCATION? SO, UM, YOU'LL SPEAK TO THE BOARD AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SO THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A SMALL CREEK AT THE LOWER ELEVATION POINT ON THAT PROPERTY, UHHUH
THAT MORE OR LESS BURNED DOWN? NO, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT THAT I'M SEEING IT BURNED HOUSE 500 FEET FROM CORNER OF ELIZABETH AND SOUTH.
SO YOU'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PROPERTY, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION ON OUR END.
I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU LATER AND I CAN VERIFY WHERE THE LOCATION IS.
I MEAN, THIS IS AN EXISTING, OH, PROPERTY GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE HILLY SOUTH.
I WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THERE'S, THERE'S A BURNDOWN HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY STILL, SO YOU, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND I YOU CAN WORK IT OUT TO, TO SEE IT.
YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK AFTER THAT.
UM, AND THIS IS ROB ROSEBURG ROSEBURG.
WE LIVE AT 15 MEADOWVIEW DRIVE ALSO, AS YOU GUYS HAVE IT THERE, ZERO MEADOWVIEW DRIVE DOWN THE HILL.
SO I GUESS I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION ON TWO THINGS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER, SO WE CAN START WITH THE WATER.
I, YOU MENTIONED TWO DIFFERENT, IF YOU CAN TAKE THAT DOWN.
YOU MENTIONED TWO DIFFERENT DRAINAGE AREAS.
ONE IS I THINK THOSE FOUR CIRCLES AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AND A SLOW DRAINAGE.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE.
AND ALSO WHERE WAS IT BEFORE? SO WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THE OTHER ONE WAS, EXCUSE ME, YOU MENTIONED ONE TREE BEING TAKEN DOWN AND FOUR BEING PUT ITS PLACE.
WHERE ARE THOSE? WE'LL HAVE HIM GO OVER THAT AS WELL.
DID YOU YEAH, I JUST, AND, AND REALLY THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TREE IS JUST, IT, IT'S AN EXTREME STEEP SLOPE BEHIND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO OUR CONCERN IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF A TREE COMING DOWN, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S A CONTROLLED TAKE DOWN, THAT'S FINE.
IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF NOT, THERE ARE POTENTIAL RAMIFICATIONS DOWN THAT HILL, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE LOCATED.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A TREE OR TREE ORDINANCE, AND THEN THEY HAVE A PERMIT.
THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
IN THE PAST, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN THESE OWNERS, IT WAS PROBABLY A PRIOR OWNER, BUT LITERALLY SOMEBODY CUT A TREE DOWN THERE AND SLICED IT, ROLLED IT DOWN THE HILL LIKE BULLETS AND ALMOST KIDS KILLED MY KIDS ON SWING SETS.
SO I, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WHEN I HEAR ABOUT TREES BEING CUT DOWN AND WATERWAYS AFTER.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE HAVE A 17 PAGE TREE ORDINANCE AND A, AND A PERSON WHO, UH, WATCHES THE, THE TREE ORDINANCE RIGHT THERE.
WELL, WE WILL KEEP YOU BUSY AND, AND, AND SPEAK SPEAKING TO A LITTLE BIT WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST REPRESENTED OR PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO KEEP THE LARGE OAK TREE, WHICH IS CENTERED ON THE LOT, LIKE RIGHT BEHIND THE EXISTING HOME.
SO IT'S NOT INTO THE SLOPE AND DOWN THE SLOPE.
AND THEY ASKED THE APPLICANT AND THE PROFESSIONAL TO LOOK INTO THE POTENTIAL TO PRESERVE IT.
BUT DUE TO THE ROCK OUT THERE AND THE LITTLE BIT OF SITE WORK THAT THEY DO HAVE TO DO, THE ROOT SYSTEM WOULD BE IMPACTED TO THE POINT THAT IT COULD BECOME A FUTURE HAZARD.
RIGHT? SO THE, THE, THE IDEA, AND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED NOW, THE LOCATION WAS TO REMOVE IT, REPLACE IT WITH FOUR TREES.
THE FOUR TREES ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE FURTHER INTO THE BACKYARD.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, TO MITIGATE THE, THE REMOVAL OF THIS OAK TREE.
UH, IN TERMS OF IT BEING REMOVED, THERE'S GONNA BE A PERIMETER, UH, OR LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE FENCING THAT THEY'LL BE WORKING WITHIN.
UH, PROBABLY, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE TEAM, BUT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THEY'LL PROBABLY, AT THE TIME OF DEMOLITION OF THE HOME, THEY'LL ALSO DO THE TAKE DOWN AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF INSURANCE DOCUMENTS THAT THE TOWN RECEIVES, AND WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE AS THE CHAIRPERSON INDICATED.
BUT WE'LL HAVE HIM SPEAK TO THE DRAINAGE AND SHOW YOU WHERE THE TREES ARE GONNA BE AFTER.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE THE WATER IS GOING.
AGAIN, WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK TO BE, BE RECOGNIZED, MR. CORRECT? YES.
MR. DESAI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK MR. DESAI? YEAH.
QUESTION TWO, IS THAT, DO WE HAVE A, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN? YEAH.
AND THE LANDSCAPING SHOWN ON THE PLAN NOW HIGHLIGHTED.
HE, HE CAN GO, HE CAN GO OVER FOR MR. DESAI.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH, THE PPLICANT CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION TOO.
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OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED THAT I HEARD.ONE IS JUST DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DRAINAGE AND, AND HOW IT GETS DISSIPATED.
NUMBER TWO, I HEAR, UH, JUST ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TREES AND THE LANDSCAPE PLANT AS WELL.
WAS THERE A THIRD ONE? I MISSED THE, WELL, JUST WITH THE WATER MORE SPECIFICALLY.
WHERE WAS IT BEFORE AND WHERE IS IT GOING? OKAY.
WHERE, WHAT ARE THE CHANGES IN THE, IN THE DRAINAGE FROM WHAT WAS THERE EXISTING? IT WASN'T A PROBLEM.
UM, SO I GUESS, UH, GUESS WE'LL WORK BACKWARDS,
SO THE EXISTING TREE, AGAIN, IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLANET RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE PROXIMITY OF, UH, THE PROPOSED HOME TO THAT TREE.
AND THEN THE FOUR TREES, UH, THAT ARE BEING PLANTED, UM, TO REPLACE THAT, UH, AS THE, THE FOUR TREES THAT ARE PLANTED IN GREEN.
UM, AND, AND, AND THEN IN RESPONSE TO THE TREE REMOVAL, UM, THE TREE REMOVAL WILL BE, UM, PERFORMED IN ACCORDANCE, UH, TO THE, TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF MUNICIPALITY.
AND, UH, ALL SAFETY MEASURES, UH, NEED TO BE ADHERED TO BY, BY THE CONTRACTOR.
UM, I SAID THAT THE, THE TREE WILL NEED WILL BE REMOVED IN ACCORDANCE, UH, TO THE MUNICIPALITY'S, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
AND ALL SAFETY MEASURES, UH, WILL BE TAKEN BY THE CONTRACTOR, UM, AS IT'S REQUIRED, UH, BY THEM.
UH, SO THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE RAINWATER FROM THE ROOF AND THE DRIVEWAY JUST DISCHARGE, UH, OUT INTO THE ROADWAY AND, AND DOWN THE HILL, UH, LIKELY TOWARDS, UM, WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE TOWARDS, UH, YOUR HOME.
WHAT WE ARE, WHAT THE, THE PROJECT IS PROPOSING IS THE STORM WATER FROM THE ROOF IS JUST COLLECTED BY, UH, A GUTTER SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON EVERY HOME.
THAT GUTTER SYSTEM IS, IS CONVEYED TO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
THESE, THIS, THESE ARE THE FOUR CIRCLES, UH, THAT ARE, UH, LOCATED IN THIS DRIVEWAY.
THESE, THESE, UH, THESE ARE CALLED, UH, THEY'RE DETENTION TANKS.
THEY WILL COLLECT THIS WATER, THEIR, UH, PRECAST CONCRETE TANKS.
UH, THEY WILL COLLECT THE WATER, UM, AT THE BASE, AND I'LL FLIP TO THE, THERE'S A DETAIL FOR IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GET CONVEYED TO THIS, TO THESE SYSTEMS. UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE, OF THIS SOUTHERN, UH, TANK, UH, THERE IS A, AN ORIFICE, A SMALL PIPE THAT SLOWLY RELEASES THE STORM WATER.
AND THAT STORM WATER IS RELEASED TO THE, THE FRONT YARD AT A REDUCED RATE.
THE, THAT'S, SO THAT MANAGES THE STORM, THE STORM WATER FROM THE BUILDING FROM THE HOME, AND IT ALSO MANAGES APPROXIMATELY 60% OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THE REMAINDER, 40% OF THAT DRIVEWAY IS DESIGNED WHERE IT'S SLOPED FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
IT, IT GOES INTO A DRAINAGE SWALE.
UM, I'LL ALSO SHOW A DETAIL OF THAT, UM, ULTIMATELY, SO IT DRAINS INTO THIS, UM, INTO THIS GRAVEL DRAINAGE SWALE WHERE ESSENTIALLY IT WILL SLOW DOWN AND PERCOLATE THROUGH.
AND THEN AS AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE, WE HAVE A CATCH BASIN LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAY JUST TO COLLECT ANYTHING, UM, THAT PASSES OVER AND THEN, UH, GETS RELEASED INTO THE, THE FRONT YARD AREA.
UM, AND THEN, OOPS, SO THIS IS THE DETAIL, UH, FOR THE DRAINAGE SWELL.
SO AGAIN, IT'S COLLECTED INTO A DRAINAGE INTO THIS, UH, GRAVEL BED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE SWALE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS 18 INCHES.
SO IT DOES COLLECT A, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF VOLUME AND THEN DISSIPATED WITH THE GRAVEL.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS ONE OF THE FOUR TANKS, UH, THAT WE HAVE WHERE THE, THE STORM WATER ENTERS INTO THE, INTO THE SITE, INTO THE TANK, AND GETS RELEASED, UH, AT THIS BOTTOM FOUR INCH OUTLET PIPE AT A, AT A REDUCED RATE.
AND IF I MAY, WHEREAS TODAY, 'CAUSE YOU ASKED ABOUT CURRENT CONDITIONS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU INDICATED THAT TODAY THERE ARE NO GUTTERS, THERE ARE NO UNDERGROUND TANKS.
WHEREVER THE WATER HITS, IT FLOWS IN WHATEVER DOWNHILL DIRECTION IT CAN.
THERE'S A LOT OF LAND, UH, BETWEEN IN THE SLOPE AND THE WOODED AREA.
THAT AREA IS NOT GONNA BE DISTURBED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THE TREES THAT ARE TO BE PLANTED IN THE REAR YARD WILL BE UP AT THE TOP OF THE AREA AND NOT INTO THE SLOPE.
THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING CUT OUT OF THE SLOPE, SO THAT'LL BE PROTECTED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN IN THE
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BACK THERE.I LIVE ON, UH, 2 78 SOUTH HEALY, AND THE QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE ON THE LOWER THE SOUTH WATER, UH, COURSE, UM, PROBABLY I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT THERE WILL BE NO WATER FROM THE, UH, WORK BEING DONE THAT WILL BE LOCATED TO THAT PART.
WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT.
AND, AND THE SECOND IS IN ONE OF THE DRAWINGS THAT I SAW AND MARKING YELLOW WITH THE, UM, THE BOUNDARY OF THAT YELLOW MARK, IT TAKES PART OF THE, UH, CREEK OR THE EASTMAN PART.
SO THE QUESTION IS, UH, I LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BROOK IS AN EASEMENT THAT IS NOT, DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY OF US OF THE NEW OWNERS OR MYSELF.
UH, BUT THE LINE IS, SO IF IT, IF THAT WERE, SO THAT THE, THE, UM, LINE INDICATES THE, THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, THEN, UH, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE TOWN TO FIX THAT FOR SINCE 1999.
BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY TOLD ME, NO, WE CAN'T DO, BUT IF THERE IS, IT BELONGS TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEN MAYBE WE CAN WORK OUT TO FIX IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IN VERY DEAR CONDITION.
IN FACT, I AM TALKING WITH THE DPW NOW AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, BASED ON WHAT THEY DID, THE GOOD JOB THEY DID ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THAT THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH BY THE WAY, NOW TWO STONES FELL, SO THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND FIX THE PART.
BEFORE YOU DO RESPOND WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER COURSE ITSELF, WE CAN CHECK IN WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHERE THIS WATER COURSE FLOWS THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN, UM, THERE IS TO, IF THERE IS AN EASEMENT, WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BUT THERE IS NO RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE TOWN, IT'S OWNERSHIP BY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WELL, ONE THING, IF IT ACTUALLY IS ON, ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT ENTERTAIN CLEAN CLEANING THAT THING UP AS PART OF THIS PROJECT? YES.
DEBRIS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANYTHING THAT MAY BE IMPEDING FLOWS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CORRECT.
IF, IF, IF THERE'S ANY FOLIAGE, UH, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE CLEANED UP.
AND I GUESS THE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THE, THE, THE PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE ANY DIRECT CONNECTION TO THIS, TO THIS WATERCOURSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? OKAY.
THEN I WILL, UH, TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TILL CAN LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN IN THIS CASE FOR TWO WEEKS UNTIL AUGUST 21ST.
OUR NEXT MEETING'S NOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 4TH.
SO MOVE, UH, COR AND WALTER, SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR PEOPLE COMING OUT, OUT AND COMMENTING.
CASE PPP 20 DASH OH NINE LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY.
PLEASE TAKE ANY CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE, PLEASE, SO WE CAN KEEP GOING.
LAKE BRIDGE ACADEMY 5 29 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, PO SCARSDALE AMENDMENT TO SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE SEEM TO HAVE BEEN HERE AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND NOW, WE HAVE TWO THINGS THAT ARE, HAVE, UH, HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAVE MET.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE ZONING BOARD DID NOT MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SEE THE AS-BUILT PLAN, WHICH I, YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS.
AND SECOND, WE HAVE NOW FOUND OUT THAT THIS IS A PERMANENT AWNING THAT GOES OVER THE PLAY AREA OUTSIDE AND, UH, ALSO THAT, UH, THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE.
SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA GIMME AN UPDATE ON THAT, THAT THING, THOSE THINGS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE AS BUILT AND ALL OF THAT, AND THEN WE CAN TALK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT SURE.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND TOWN STAFF.
MY NAME IS MATTHEW DUDLEY FROM HARRIS BEACH, PLLC, ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
5 29 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, LLC MM-HMM.
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PARK AVENUE.UH, IT'S KNOWN AS LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY.
IT'S BEEN, UH, OPERATING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
UM, AS MR. CHAIRMAN EXPLAINED, UH, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE YOUR BOARD IN JULY, UH, THAT WAS ON JULY 17TH, UM, WE HAD A, AS-BUILT AS-BUILT SURVEY, UH, PREPARED FOR THE SITE SO THAT THE REVISED SUBMISSIONS PLANS COULD BE OVERLAID UPON THAT AS-BUILT SURVEY TO, TO SHOW WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY AF AFTER HAD BEEN BUILT UP, UM, THAT AS-BUILT SURVEY AND, AND REVISED PLANS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE TOWN, UM, WE WORKED WITH, UH, MR. SCHMIDT AND MR. BRITTON TO, TO REVISE THOSE PLANS.
UH, IN ADDITION, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUILDING INSPECTOR REVIEWED THE REVISED PLANS.
UM, THE REVISED PLANS SHOW A CANOPY, IT'S A SHADE OVER THE PLAY AREA OF, OF THE DAYCARE CENTER, UM, THAT IMPEDES UPON THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE, UH, PROPERTY BY APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET.
THAT SETBACK IS A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, THE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET FROM, FROM THE, UH, BORDER OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EDGE OF THAT CANOPY SHADE, UH, THUS REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL, UM, AREA OF VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, AS MR. CHAIRMAN EXPLAINED LAST MONTH, UM, ALTHOUGH THE, UH, THE THEN CURRENT APPLICATION FOR ONE AREA VARIANCE FOR LESS THAN A MINIMUM REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES HAD BEEN, THE HEARING HAD BEEN CLOSED FOR DECISION LAST MONTH.
UH, THE ZONING BOARD DECIDED TO REOPEN, UM, THE HEARING, UH, FOR NEW INFORMATION, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT BEING ANY NEW INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE ASBUILT, UH, WHICH IN TURN DOES REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL MINOR, UH, AREA VARIANCE FOR THAT, THAT CANOPY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, AND, AND JESSE COPLEY IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT FROM COLLIERS ENGINEERING.
UM, HE, HE ALSO WORKED WITH, UH, JASON CAP, THE TOWN ENGINEER AND TOWN COUNCIL.
THEY, THEY MET, UM, VIRTUALLY, I BELIEVE YESTERDAY, UH, TO RUN BY THE, UM, REVISED SUBMISSION WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND ALSO I BELIEVE, UH, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT ON THAT? WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT MEETING? UH, JESSE, I WAS NOT THERE PERSONALLY, BUT OKAY.
AND AMANDA, IF YOU CAN ADD ANYTHING? SURE.
YOU WANNA TO SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICK? YEAH, WELL, I WAS GONNA GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WE, WE ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, JOHN CANNING, THE TOWNS OUTSIDE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT HAS ALSO REVIEWED THE PLANS AND AT LEAST OPINED UPON THE REVISED SUBMISSION OF THE, UH, CROSSWALK FROM THE, UM, SIDEWALK THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE DRIVEWAY UP UNTIL UP TO THOSE A DA PARKING SPACES THAT, THAT WE PROPOSE FOR THIS REVISION.
UM, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE ZONING BOARDS HEARING FOR THE TWO AREA VARIANCES NEXT WEEK, NEXT THURSDAY, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND, AND I HAVE JESSE HERE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING IN MORE DETAIL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
JESSE COLEY, AGAIN WITH COLLIER'S ENGINEERING DESIGN.
SO, AS MATT INDICATED, WE ARE HERE ON THE 17TH OF JULY.
UH, WE GOT THE SURVEYOR BACK OUT THERE THE WEEK OF THE 22ND.
WE INCORPORATED THE, AS-BUILT INFORMATION INTO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND RESUBMITTED THAT ON JULY 31ST, THE REVISIONS TO THE PLAN, TO THE SITE PLAN, I SHOULD SAY, INCLUDE THE AS-BUILT INFORMATION FOR THE RETAINING WALL WITH ELEVATIONS AND THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED.
UH, AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING THE PROPOSED BOLLARDS, UM, ADDED TO THE PLAN WHERE THE SITE DRIVEWAY IS UP AGAINST THE RETAINING WALL AND TURNS NORTH TOWARDS THE PLAYGROUND.
THESE WOULD BE THE SAME BOLLARDS THAT WERE APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED ON THE NORTH END.
THE LOT THAT, UH, WERE INSTALLED TO PROVIDE PROTECTION, UH, TO THE PLAYGROUND AREA FROM THE PARKING LOT IN THE JULY 31ST BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO.
THEY NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED BOLLARDS DOES PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCESS WITH, AND THAT THE, AS-BUILT AND UPDATED AS-BUILT WOULD BE REQUIRED UPON COMPLETION OF THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE BOLLARDS, AND THAT A SEPARATE BUILDING PERMIT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT THOSE BOLLARDS AND INSTALL THOSE BALLARDS.
WE ALSO ADDED, UH, PROPOSED SIGNAGE FOR THREE OF THE COMPACT CAR SPACES PER THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO.
UH, THOSE ARE FOR CARS WITH A MAXIMUM LENGTH OF 15.58 FEET PER THE TOWN CODE.
SO WE STRIKE THEM 17 TO PROVIDE ROOM FOR THE SIGN.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A 16 FOOT CAR OR LESS IN THAT, IN THAT SPOT.
UH, THE EXISTING CROSSWALK OBVIOUSLY WAS, WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING.
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UH, SO THAT WAS RECONFIGURED TO EXTEND TO THE STRIPED, UH, A DA ISLAND.UM, AND THEN WE DELVED INTO THE M-U-T-C-D STANDARD A LITTLE BIT FOR MORE ON THE STRIPING OF THE CROSSWALK.
WHILE THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY HARD AND FAST RULE THAT THEY BE PARALLEL TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, THE INTENTION FOR THAT IS, UM, TO PROVIDE ADVANCED WARNING FOR HIGH SPEEDS.
UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A HIGH SPEED SCENARIO, BUT THEY'RE ALSO INTENDED TO BE PARALLEL SO THAT TIRES, THEY WOULD BE ALIGNED WITH A WHEEL PATH, UM, BUT THEY COULD BE DIAGONAL UP TO 45 DEGREES.
UM, MR. DUDLEY SAID, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF, UH, THE EMAIL FROM, UH, THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, JOHN KANEY, WHO RECOMMENDS, AND WE, WE WOULD TEND TO AGREE, WE JUST SAW THE EMAIL YESTERDAY TO PUT THE, I'LL CALL THEM LONGITUDINAL, UH, LINES ON THE SIDES TO MAKE IT LIKE A TRUE LADDER.
I THINK THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM TRUTHFULLY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D EVER GET THEM, GET THEM PARALLEL SINCE IT'S AROUND THE CORNER, BUT THAT'S, WELL, I'M NOT LOUSY IN GEOMETRY, BUT I ONLY THINK IT COULD BE PARALLEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THE LATEST EDITION OF THE M-U-T-C-D DOES TALK ABOUT ROADS ALONG, ALONG A CURB AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE, THE PARALLAX EFFECT.
WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU THINK YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T.
SO I THINK BY PUTTING THE LINES ON THE SIDE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BUTTON UP.
SO, SO YOU'RE USING THE DARKER, THE DARKER ONES NOW? THE DARKER ONES, BUT THEN I WOULD BRACKET IT ON RAIL, THE SIDES RAIL TOO.
UM, AGAIN, MATT TOUCHES, UH, MR. DUDLEY TOUCHES ON THIS, BUT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO ALSO NOTES THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL, UH, VARIANCE FOR THE CANOPY.
THAT IS, THAT WASN'T SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN, I THINK BECAUSE MAYBE THE PLAYGROUND LAYOUT WASN'T FULLY SQUARED AWAY YET.
BUT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE, IF YOU'VE BEEN, OR ANY CHILDCARE SITE, IT'S A KIND OF LIKE A TREE STAND ALMOST OVER THE, THE JUNGLE GYM.
UM, AND IT HAS LIKE A COUPLE ARMS AND THEY DRAPE A CANOPY OVER IT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS.
SO IN THE WINTER MONTHS IT'S USUALLY NOT ON, BUT IT STILL IS A, IS A STRUCTURE.
SO IT, IT WAS A CATCH THAT, THAT, UH, WE WOULD NEED THAT VARIANCE.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, AS MR. DUDLEY INDICATED, WE DID END AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE DID MEET WITH THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS, DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE MODIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, WITH THIS AMENDED SITE PLAN.
UH, TOWN COUNCIL WAS THERE AS WELL.
UM, THEY DID NOT SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THE RELOCATION OF THE INLET FROM THE CORNER THAT WAS ON THE APPROVED PLAN.
UM, THAT WAS JUST UP, THAT WAS RELOCATED AS A RESULT OF THE RETAINING WALL KIND OF EXTENDING AROUND THE CORNER AND LEVELING OFF THE PLAYGROUND.
SO THAT WAS NO LONGER, UH, LEVELING OFF OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT WAS NO LONGER A LOW SPOT.
UM, AND IT WAS POSITIONED HERE TO COLLECT THE, UM, UNDER DRAIN FROM THE PLAYGROUND, BUT ALSO THE ROOF DRAINS AS WELL.
SO IT WAS A MORE ECONOMICAL DRAINAGE SOLUTION, UM, WITHOUT AN IMPACT TO LOW POINTS, UM, OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO, UM, MR. COLE DIDN'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT CHANGE.
UM, THEY ALSO DID NOT SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PROPOSED BOLLARDS ALONG THE CURB LINE THERE.
UM, THEY'RE IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION AS THE POSTS ARE FOR THE GUIDE RAIL.
UM, SO THE WATER WOULD NAVIGATE AROUND THAT.
AND ALSO WE ADDED THE, UM, PERFORATED UNDER DRAIN, UH, ONTO THE PLAN THAT'S AT THE TOE OF THE RETAINING WALL.
THE BOLLARD FOOTINGS DO NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THAT SPOT, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.
UH, MR. CO DID NOT SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, THE RUN, THE ONE REQUEST THAT HE DID HAVE IS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE EXISTING INFORMATION HERE, IF, AND YOU HAVE THAT EXISTING DRAIN, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF IS JUST SHOWING THE GENERAL ORIENTATION OF THE PIPES COMING IN AND OUT.
UH, MR. CAPER REQUESTED THAT THE ASBUILT BE FURTHER UPDATED, SHOWING LIKE WHERE THAT CONNECTION IS THEN MADE DOWNSTREAM.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD WANT THAT.
UM, AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO ON, ON THE 31ST SAID THAT AN ASBUILT WOULD BE REQUIRED AFTER THE BOLLARDS ARE INSTALLED.
I, I WOULD PROPOSE WE WOULD JUST PICK ALL OF THAT UP AT THE SAME SHOP AND, AND PROVIDE IT TO THE TOWN FOR FINAL REVIEW.
WELL THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE MOVING HIM A LITTLE BIT THEN TO DO THAT, RIGHT? MOVING.
WELL, YOU JUST SAID THE DRAIN, THE, YOU SAID THE DRAIN PIPES IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, JUST SHOW THE, WHERE THE DRAINAGE GOES.
YEAH, JUST SHOWS THAT MIGHT CONNECTED TO SEWER.
'CAUSE IT WAS CLOSE, IT WAS HARD TO TELL.
UM, BUT ALSO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE, UH, MR. OLA HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID THAT THE RELOCATION OF DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER'S OFFICE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN.
AND MITCH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NOPE, THAT'S PERFECT.
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UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON LAKEBRIDGE TONIGHT? YES, SIR.
I'M THE MANAGING MEMBER OF GRAY ROCK ASSOCIATES, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY IN FRONT 5 31 CPA.
SPEAKING OF THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE.
WANT ME REPEAT IT? NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE.
UH, MR. CINO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, SO I HAVE TO BE THE ENGINEER.
UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINE.
THE A JUST JUST ADDRESS 'EM TO THE BOARD.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HIS OPINION IS.
WHAT IS THE SAFE DISTANCE OF THOSE BALLOTS? THEY'RE GONNA BE INSTALLED FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL.
YOU, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO THROUGH ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM RESPOND TO EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME.
HOW'S THAT CANOPY AFFECT THE DRAINAGE ONTO THE PROPERTY? I SEE THEM TAKING NOTES SO THEY'LL RESPOND TO ALL I AM TOO.
ON THE, THE DRAWING, THE RETAINING WALL ENCROACHES MY PROPERTY ON THE BOTH ENDS WHERE IT MAKES THE TURN AND I'M TRYING TO READ HIS NOTES SHIRT AT ME.
YOU'RE SAYING LIKE IN THIS AREA? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER END UP TOP IN THE BACK.
WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT AND THEN, UM, WELL ONE ANSWER IT I CAN.
SO WE'LL HAVE THEM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED, FOR THE RECORD, WE DID RECEIVE A DETAILED LETTER FROM MR. SENIOR, UH, TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN GOT IT.
WE, THE BOARD HASN'T EVEN SEEN IT YET.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WITH THE ZONING BOARD, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN INTO SEPTEMBER ANYWAY.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THIS LETTER TONIGHT.
WE'LL, IT'LL BE DISTRIBUTED TO, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE WILL FORWARD IT ALONG TOMORROW MORNING.
IF YOU CAN ANSWER, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN PLEASE.
UH, SO THE SAFE DISTANCE FOR THE BOLLARDS FROM THE WALL WE'RE MATCHING THE DISTANCE THAT THE GUIDE RAIL POSTER FROM THE WALL, THAT WAS WHAT WAS THE SPEC OF THE RETAINING WALL MANUFACTURER FOR THEIR INSTALLATION.
UM, THE BOLLARDS THEMSELVES ARE SPACED, UH, FIVE FEET APART, UM, WHICH IS NARROWER THAN A VEHICLE.
SO THAT IS PRETTY MUCH SERVING THE PURPOSE.
THEY ARE ALSO, EXCUSE ME, A LITTLE BIT TALLER, UH, THAN THE GUIDE RAIL ITSELF.
UM, THE GUIDE RAIL RAILS DOWN AROUND 30 INCHES.
THE BOLLARD WOULD BE AROUND FOUR FIVE.
I THINK HIS QUESTION THOUGH, YEAH.
HIS QUESTION WAS OTHER SPECS FOR BOLLARDS IN TERMS OF SAFETY? LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO, I'M SURE IT DEPENDS ON SPEED TOO, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY SPECS FOR THAT, THAT WOULD CONFIRM THAT THERE'RE A SAFE DISTANCE FROM THAT WALL, THAT THEY, THE CAR CAN'T GO THROUGH THEM.
I SUSPECT THEY CAN'T, BUT, BUT, BUT IF IT SPECS THEY COULD BE ADDED TO THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE THE SPECS FOR THE BOLLARD.
THAT THAT'S ALL YOU'RE ASKING.
UM, THE DRAINAGE FOR THE CANOPY, UH, WOULD, THE CANOPY WOULD NOT AFFECT THE DRAINAGE.
IT'S DIRECTLY OVER THE PLAYGROUND.
THE PLAYGROUND IS A PERVIOUS SURFACE WITH A UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM.
SO THAT WOULD JUST, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CANOPY WOULD NOT BE THERE.
UM, IF IT RAINED, WHERE DOES IT, WHERE DOES IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S BLOCKING RAIN FROM COMING ONTO ONTO THERE.
SO DOES IT, WHERE DOES IT, IF IT'S RUNNING OFF THE TOP OF THE CANOPY, WHERE DOES IT GO? IT'S, IT'S JUST, UH, JUST DRIPS OFF THE EDGE IN, INTO THE PERIA SURFACE SURFACE INTO THE, INTO THE PERIA SURFACE OF THE, THAT HAS THE UNDER DRAIN IN? CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN THE WALL AND THEN THE RETAINING WALL.
I, I BELIEVE THE, AS-BUILT SURVEY SHOWS IT UP TO AND ON THE PROPERTY LINE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT CROSSES OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S HIS PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LINE TOO.
UM, I BELIEVE IS THE MEASUREMENT.
SO YOU SHOULD TRY, TRY TO RESOLVE THAT BEFORE APPROVAL.
BUT IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A LEGAL MATTER THAN A MATTER FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
AM I CORRECT? IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR US TOINE ON,
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THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.SO THE WALL, THE WALL WILL NOT BE SOMETHING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S SITUATED RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR TO ALL PARTIES.
IT'S NOT OUR, OUR JOB TO WORK ON BOARD DISPUTES.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN RESOLVE.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO WHAT OKAY.
THE POSITION OF THOSE WALLETS, SO THE ENGINEER UNDERSTANDS MY QUESTION, IF HE CAN INCREASE THE SURE.
AND I, I REMEMBER ONE OTHER QUESTION.
WHEN IT, WHEN IT'S UP, UM, BY THE GUARDRAIL, IT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL IS FURTHER AWAY AND AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE TURN, IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL.
WHAT'S THE REASONING FOR THAT? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CURB IN BETWEEN THE WALL.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
THE LA AT THE LAST MEETING, HE SAID IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE RECORDS FROM THE LAST MEETING, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE ENGINEER SPECIFIES IF HE CAN CERTIFY THAT THOSE POSITIONS IS GONNA BE GOOD.
'CAUSE MR. OV MENTIONED THAT THE MANUFACTURER OF THE WALL INDICATES THE PROTECTIVE BARRIER SHOULD BE THREE FEET IN THE FACE OF THE WALL.
AND NEW YORK STATE CODE INDICATES THAT THE DESIGN OF THOSE BULLETS SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A RESISTANT LOAD OF 6,000 POUNDS.
OKAY, SO THAT'S IN THE LETTER.
THE ENGINEER, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE LETTER YET.
SO WE WILL FORWARD THAT ALONG.
THAT'LL FOR THE NEXT, THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
CORRECT? I JUST, I JUST WANT TO END THE SIMPLE STATEMENT.
MY FATHER ALWAYS TOLD ME, YOU PLANT A TREE CROOKED IF FOREVER GROWS CROOKED.
THESE PARKING SPACES WERE BAD FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEY'RE BAD TONIGHT.
THE APPLICANT TRIES TO DO EVERYTHING TO SAVE THREE SPACES THAT THEY DON'T NEED.
THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS THEY HAVE NINE TOO MANY.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ALL THIS IS GOING THROUGH FOR SAFETY.
AS YOU KNOW, THE WALL WAS HIT OVER THE WEEKEND AND THE CAR GOT STUCK OVER THE WALL AND IT HAD TO BE TOWED.
THE LAST THING IS THE, THE, THE LINE THAT SHOWS 24 FEET ON THAT 24.
I THINK MR. C IN HIS LETTER SAID IT'S NOT PERPENDICULAR.
WHY ISN'T THAT LINE STRAIGHT TO THE WALL? WHY DOES THIS HAVE A CURB CURVE? IT'S SLANTED.
THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS THAT, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE SINCE THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING SPACE LINE IS NOT STRAIGHT TO, THEY'RE TAKING THE STRAIGHTEST POINT FROM THE EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT LINE TO, BUT ALL THE OTHER BALLER LINES ARE DIRECTLY STRAIGHT TO THE WALL AND THAT MR. C PUT HIS LETTER SAID THEY NEED TO BE PERPENDICULAR TO THE WALL.
SO WE'LL HAVE THEM ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE NOW, FINE.
IF NOT, YOU CAN DO IT AT THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AARON, AT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, WE WERE JUST PUTTING IT TO THE NEAREST BOLLARD.
UM, THAT SPACE DOES NOT HAVE A BOLLARD, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY ALONG THE LINE.
SO IT'S A, THE 25.7 LINE IS A LITTLE ASK SKEW.
OBVIOUSLY THE 24.8 LINE IS ASK SKEW.
WE WERE JUST SHOWING THE DISTANCE FROM THE EDGE OF THOSE SPACES TO THE NEAREST BOLLARD.
WE CAN PUT A, WE CAN PUT A PERPENDICULAR DIMENSION.
AND JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO SHOW WHAT THE, THE RADIUS IS FROM THEM.
UH, ONE THING WE NEED TO DO FROM, FROM BEFORE WE ADJOURN THIS FROM HERE, UM, WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION ON, UH, THIS ADDITIONAL VARIANCE.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE DO A NEUTRAL, UH, ON THIS ONE.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, FOR, UH, RECOMMENDED NEUTRAL VARIANCE ON ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ON THE CANOPY.
SO MOVE WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
WE'LL GET THAT OFF TO THE ZBA AND COPY YOU AS WELL.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, BUSH ADJOURN.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO ADJOURN? NO, NOT TO VOTE.
WE'RE JUST NOTING FOR YEAH, WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THIS TILL SEPTEMBER 7TH AND HOPEFULLY FOURTH.
HOPEFULLY AT THAT TIME, IF YOU'VE GOT THROUGH THE PLAN, THE ZONING BOARD, WE CAN DO THAT AND THE WORK SESSION AT THE
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SAME TIME.UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? WALTER, DON'T GO INTO WHERE YET.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK TO WORK? UH, SECOND.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE BACK IN WORK SESSION, UH, PB 24 0 7 CHANG ROBERTS.
IT'S FOR PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND PRESENT YOUR PROJECT FOR US, PLEASE.
AMELIA, IN ANTHONY CHANG ROBERTS.
YOU MAY WANNA MOVE THAT MIC A LITTLE DOWN AVERAGE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU GUYS.
AND, UH, WE'RE IN NINE GREENVALE CIRCLE.
CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, OH, YOU HAVE A PROFESSOR? WE, YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR ENGINEER.
IT'S NICK FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING.
HI NICK, HOW ARE YOU? HEY, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, THANKS.
UH, I'M NICHOLAS SHARA FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING.
I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT'S, UH, AND, AND ANTHONY CHANG ROBERTS.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, DIS DISCUSS, UM, THE
UM, AT NINE GREEN FRONT CIRCLE, UH, THE LOT IS, UH, 17,398 SQUARE FOOT UNDEVELOPED LOT.
UM, A PLAN IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AS WELL AS A DRIVEWAY ON THE LOT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE DESIGNED A FOUR FOOT HIGH WALL TO RUN ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE AND PART OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE APPLICATION INCLUDES A REMOVAL OF NINE TREES TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME AND SOME NECESSARY GRADING OF THE PROPERTY, UH, INSTALLATION OF THREE NATIVE REPLACEMENT TREES.
UH, ADDITIONALLY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, WILL DISTURB, UH, REGULAR STEEP SLOPE AREAS 2400 CENT FEET IN 15 5% CATEGORY 829 SQUARE FEET, AND 25 TO 35% CATEGORY AND 700 SQUARE FEET.
AND, UH, 35% ABOVE, UM, DISTURBANCES IS, UH, UH, MIS THE CONSTRUCTION MAINTAIN WALLS AS WELL AS THE HOUSE MINE.
THE SITES WILL ACCOMMODATE THE ACTUAL TRAIN DEGRADE.
UM, IF YOU PERMIT ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN, I CAN SHOW THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE, UH, DISTURBANCE.
UH, RIGHT, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS THE, UH, SITE AS IS WITH THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE, UM, STEEP SLOPE, THE DIFFERENT STEEP SLOPES AREAS.
UH, THE PROPOSED DISTURBANCE IS ALL LOCATED, UM, IN THIS AREA'S OUTLINE.
UM, MOST OF THE DISTURBANCE IS IN 15 TO 25%, UH, STEEP SLOPE CATEGORY.
UM, HERE WE'RE ALL THE, THE SITE ALSO CONTAINS, UM, TOWN WETLANDS AND THE REGULAR BUFFER.
UM, OUR DISTURBANCE WILL BE OUTSIDE THAT AREA.
CLEARLY WON'T BE DISTURBING ANY SLEEP SLOPES OR ANY WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
WE'LL BE DISTURBING STEEP SLOPES, BUT NOT WETLANDS.
WE WON'T BE, WE WON'T BE DISTURBING ANY EVIDENCE.
WE WILL BE IN THE STEVE SLOPE.
SO THIS IS, UM, PER OUR PROPOSED PRE REMOVAL.
UH, THERE ARE NINE TREES BEING REMOVED AS PART OF THE, UH, APPLICATION.
WE'RE REPLACING, UH, WE'LL BE PLANTING THREE REPLACEMENT TREES AS PART OF, UH, OF POST DISTURBANCE.
SO THE, THE PROPOSED HOUSE, UH, IS SHOWN HERE.
UH, SO AGAIN, ALL OF THE DISTURBANCE, UH, WILL WITHIN OR OUTSIDE THAT, THAT, UH, WETLAND WATERCOURSE BUFFER.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A 1,323 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, UM, WITH AN ASSOCIATED DRIVEWAY AND DECK.
UM, ALL IN OUS AREAS ON THE SITE, UH, WILL BE DIRECTED TO INFILTRATION CHAMBERS SITUATED IN THE FRONT YARD HERE.
UH, THESE INFILTRATION CHAMBERS ARE DESIGNED TO COLLECT ALL RUNOFF, UM, FOR STORM EVENTS UP TO 25 YEAR STORM.
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IS AN OVERFLOW FROM THE INFILTRATION CHAMBERS, UH, THAT ONCE THE, THESE CHAMBERS ARE AT CAPACITY OR FOR HIGHER STORM EVENTS, UH, WILL OVERFLOW INTO THE REAR YARD, UM, AND DISCHARGE INTO THE WETLANDS, UH, BY A PALM THAT LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD.UM, THE RETAINING WALL SHOWN HERE TO KIND OF HOLD THE GRADE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IT'S MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET.
UM, HERE, OKAY, SO THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY, I ACTUALLY HAD, UM, AN APPROVAL, UM, FROM A PREVIOUS PLANNING BOARD.
STEVE STILL PERMIT, UH, PERMIT NUMBER 15 DASH 28, UH, THAT EXPIRED.
UH, WE'RE BASICALLY NOT REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING FROM THAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE SWITCHED THE SIDE THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS PREVIOUSLY ON.
AND THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS NOW APPROXIMATELY 2 84 SQUARE FEET SMALLER THAN THE PREVIOUSLY MOVED HOUSE.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I, I HAVE A BROKE DOWN.
AND, UH, DID YOU TOUCH ON THE FILL BEING BROUGHT? 'CAUSE THE PROPERTY SLOPES DOWN FROM THE ROAD.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, I'M SORRY, PROPOSING TO, UH, FILL, UH, THE AREA ALONG THE SIDES HERE, UH, ALONG THIS RETAINING WALL TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE THE GRADE A LITTLE BIT MORE MANAGEABLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE WILL BE, WE'LL REQUIRE A, UH, A FILL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN AS WELL FOR THAT.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, WE'RE BRINGING IN APPROXIMATELY 200 SQUARE FEET OF, I'M SORRY, TWO, 200 CUBIC YARDS OF, UH, FILL.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, NO, I BELIEVE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT IN THE NUTSHELL, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH.
TOM, I CAN'T SEE YOU SO MATT'S GONNA HAVE TO LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK
OH, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL A, UH, APPLICATION.
I THINK IF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, THE HOUSE AT, ON THAT PROPOSAL WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER.
UH, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS HOUSE? 1500.
I CAN ACTUALLY SHOW YOU THE PREVIOUSLY, UH, PROOF PLAN.
AND THE OTHER THING, IF I RECALL IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN, REQUIRED VARIANCE, IT DID NOT REQUIRE VARIANCE.
SO JUST THERE WAS THE ISSUE THEN OF THE SIZE THAT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT APPROVED IT, IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS LARGER THAN THIS PROPOSED HOME, BUT THE SITE DISTURBANCE WAS VERY SIMILAR.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE SAME ENGINEERING TEAM THAT WORKED ON THE PRIOR PROJECT.
IT WAS JUST NEVER BUILT NOR WERE EXTENSIONS REQUESTED.
BUT WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED SIZE OF THE HOUSE PREVIOUSLY? UH, HE HAS IT ON THE PLAN.
UH, NICK, DO YOU HAVE A, A SIZE ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1,607 SQUARE FEET OF THE FOOTPRINT.
SO IT'S, IT IS SMALLER, UM, MAJOR.
MAYBE I'M CONFUSING IT WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL OF WHAT WAS APPROVED, BUT NO, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS THAT THIS, THIS, THIS IS NO, NO, NO, NO.
WHAT WE SAW BEFORE WE APPROVED IT.
WHAT WE SAW ORIGINALLY, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY LESS, LESS DISTURBANCE.
AND THEN THERE'S NO, UH, OF UH, VARIANCE.
CAN I GET SOME, SEE SOME DETAIL ON THE RETAINING WALL, HOW THAT BEING CONSTRUCTED? YEAH.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU CAN ADVISE IF THAT'S, UM, LIKE A MODULAR BLOCK OR IF IT'LL HAVE A GEOGRID.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT KIND STACKS WALL, UH, WITH WE HOLES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND DRAINAGE, UM, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT,
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UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS GOES TO ENGINEERING FOR REVIEW AT THAT POINT.BUT, UM, UM, SINCE IT'S NOT GOING OVER FOUR FEET.
UM, I JUST HAD HAD, UH, TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE THING I NOTICED IS THERE'S NO BA NOT MUCH OF A BACKYARD.
UM, ARE THERE THOUGHTS ON THE FUTURE OF, OF DOING SOMETHING GOING INTO THE WETLAND BUFFER AND BUILDING A BACKYARD? UH, IF WE COULD CLEAN UP THE BACKYARD, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE THERE IS A WATERCOURSE BACK THERE AND IT IS NOT IN THE BEST OF SHAPE.
THERE ARE SHOPPING CARTS AND OTHER NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL FIND.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLEAN UP AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER THE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S BACK THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THAT A HUNDRED FEET OF, UH, WATERCOURSE.
SO YES, WORK CAN BE DONE IN THE BUFFER.
IT'S SUBJECT TO CLEARANCE FORM VIEW THROUGH MAP BRITTEN WHO YOUR TEAM'S BEEN WORKING WITH.
BUT, UM, THERE'S NO MECHANICAL WORK OMITTED, SO IT CAN BE DONE BY HAND.
AND HE CAN REVIEW THAT, BUT YOU COULDN'T CLEAR IT IF YOU DECIDED TO MAKE A BACKYARD WITHOUT GETTING A, A PERMIT.
SO CLEAN UP IS ONE THING, YOU KNOW, LEVELING, CLEARING, PUTTING IN LAWN ALL THE WAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PLANS FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY THING IS, UH, IS PROBABLY FENCING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, CAN BE REVIEWED WITH THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UH, FOR, FOR YOUR ENGINEER, UM, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A 25 YEAR STORM, BUT YOU HAVE OVERFLOW WITH THE OVERFLOW.
DOES IT, UH, CAN IT HANDLE A 50 YEAR STORM? UM, SO I'LL HAVE CALCULATIONS FOR THAT.
UM, I'M PRE, I'M, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CAPTURE, UH, THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT.
WE HAD REALLY GOOD, UM, TEST RESULTS AS FAR AS, UH, INFILTRATION TESTING.
WE'RE ABLE TO GET DOWN, UH, MORE THAN EIGHT FEET DEEP.
THOSE ARE REALLY SANDY INFILTRATION RATES.
WE, IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE TOWN, BUT GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN LATELY, WE JUST HAD A THOUSAND YEAR STORM.
LITERALLY A THOUSAND YEAR STORM.
UNFORTUNATELY, 25 YEAR STORMS HAPPEN ABOUT ONCE EVERY MONTH OR TWO THESE DAYS.
SO, AND AS LESLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, AS YOU HEARD, SO WE, WE ENCOURAGE, UH, NEW, DEVELOP NEW DEVELOPMENT TO DO A 50 YEAR IF YOU CAN.
BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO US, YOU COULD DO, FIND THAT OUT.
THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR US.
UH, UH, DO YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING PLAN? LIKE HOW YOU GONNA BUFFER THE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDE? UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, WORKING ON IT, YEAH.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH, UH, SPECIES AND WHAT TYPE OF PLANTING TREES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO ALONG ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE YOU TALKED TO NEIGHBORS? UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT, BUT SCHEDULES HAVEN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, MY WIFE HAS LEFT NOTES AND INFORMATION, BUT IT'S JUST SCHEDULE AND IT JUST HA DOESN'T HAPPEN TO MESH BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH THEM SO FAR.
SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SPEAK TO THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL.
UM, AS NOTED IN THE REPORT, THE APPLICANT WAS ACTIVELY WORKING ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE WERE GONNA WORK THAT OUT BEFORE GOING INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO OUR OFFICE WANTS TO CONFIRM THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE SCREENING AND THAT THEY SATISFY THE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER TWO 60.
SO THAT'S ALL GONNA BE IRONED OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.
THEY ONLY DO HAVE ONE DEVELOPED NEIGHBOR, UM, WHICH IS TO THE LEFT, IF YOU WERE IN THE ROAD TO THE RIGHT IS AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AND THEN TO THE REAR IS WOODS AND THE STREAM, AND THEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WATER COURSE.
SO IT'S REALLY THAT ONE SIDE THAT WE WANT TO BE FOCUSED ON WITH RESPECT TO SCREENING PURPOSES.
AND, AND IN RESPECT TO KURT'S, UH, COMMENT TO SPEAK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, IT'S EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO SPEAK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOUR NEIGHBOR MIGHT PICK UP SOMETHING THAT YOU AND YOUR ENGINEER DIDN'T PICK UP AND YOU COULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.
AS OPPOSED TO COMING TO A, THE PLANNING BOARD HEARING AND THEN YOUR NEIGHBORS BRING UP ALL THESE NEW ISSUES AND THEN THAT JUST COMPLICATES THE PROCESS.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU COULD TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND, AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL, UH, UH,
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UH, POINTS THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS BEFOREHAND, WE'LL JUST MAKE THE WHOLE PROCESS MOVE THAT MUCH EASIER.WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY INTRODUCE OURSELVES AND SHOW THEM WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO.
UM, GIVEN YOU STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO, DO WE WANT TO PUT, PUT IT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING? ONE MORE WORK SESSION BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN WHERE WE CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A VERY BASIC LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT I THINK THEY CAN REVIEW WITH THE BOARD BEFORE OPENING UP IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IF THE BOARD WAS COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT ON FOR SEPTEMBER 4TH STAFF, WHICH, WE'LL, WE HAVE IT.
WELL WE NEED ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THAT.
'CAUSE IT GOES OUT TO THE PACKAGE.
SHE JUST COMMITTED YOU TO THAT.
THEN WHY DON'T WE PUT AGREE TO PUT THAT ON FOR, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON THE 4TH OF SEPTEMBER.
OUR FRIENDS I THE JACKSON AVENUE NURSERY.
WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE WE'LL STILL WANT DO THAT.
JUST DON'T LEAVE ME BECAUSE THE SECURITY GUARD TELL MORE BACKYARD.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTIONS.
I'M LETTING THE YOUNG PERSON HERE.
YOU MEAN THE SMART PERSON HANDLE IT? YES.
CASE 2203 JACKSON AVENUE NURSERY.
2 79 JACKSON AVENUE IN SCARSDALE.
IT'S FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN PLANNING BOARD.
STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLANDS WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
JUST TO GET THE HOUSEKEEPING OUT OF THE WAY BEFOREHAND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE OURSELF LEAVE AGENCY? SO MOVE WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED, ANY ABSTENTIONS? NO PASSES THAT'S FOLLOWING CIRCULATION OF THE BOARD'S INTENT WHERE NO OBJECTIONS WERE RECEIVED.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DO IS JUST SEE WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.
I SEE THAT WE GOT, UH, A LETTER FROM OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL, UM, VARIANCES THAT NEEDED TO, THAT WOULD NEVER, THINGS THAT WERE NOT LEGALIZED THE LAST TIME THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
AND AS ON THE ADVICE OF OUR COUNCIL HERE WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, WE, WE BELIEVE AS A BOARD, THE BEST THING TO DO IS DO ALL THE ORGANIZATION AT THE SAME TIME.
DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TWICE.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE WERE, I HAVE FRANK'S LETTER HERE SOMEPLACE.
IT WAS, IT WAS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, MINIMUM SETBACK FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, MINIMUM SETBACK FOR THE GRAVEL PARKING FOR THE PROPERTY LINE AND ALSO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THERE WAS SOME KIND OF STORAGE STRUCTURE I THINK IT HAD, SO THERE WERE FOUR MORE VARIANCES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED.
SO, UM, WE WE'RE NOT EVEN THINKING THAT GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD YET.
WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? UH, SO WE WOULDN'T DO THAT UNTIL SEEKER IS CONSIDERED.
SO YOU'VE JUST ESTABLISHED YOURSELVES AS LEAD AGENCY? WE WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE FROM THE APPLICANT AND DO THAT IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WE'D PROBABLY REFER THEM IN SEPT.
WE'D PROBABLY REFER THEM IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WITH THEM GOING INTO THEIR SEPTEMBER MEETING, UH, POTENTIALLY WITH THE ZONING BOARD, IF THIS BOARD IS IN A POSITION TO MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION IN EARLY SEPTEMBER AND POTENTIALLY ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION, THEY WOULD BE IN GOOD POSITION FOR THE RIGHT.
THAT'S BOARD THAT WHAT, SO IT WOULDN'T SLOW ANYTHING DOWN.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON FOR THE SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER ZONING BOARD MEETING.
SO OUR MEETING IS ALWAYS BEFORE THEIR MEETING.
IN FACT, WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS I BELIEVE BEFORE THEIR MEETING.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR TIMELINE.
SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST BRING US UP TO DATE AS TO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AND WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE AT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
WELL MY NAME IS WILLIAM SCHNEIDER WITH PS AND S ENGINEERING.
UH, AND WITH ME IS LAUREN FINNEGAN, ANOTHER ENGINEER WITH OUR FIRM.
AND ON THE LINE I HAVE OUR SENIOR, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, TROY INGER, WHO IS ONE OF OUR SENIOR DESIGNERS.
AND HE'S ON ZOOM TONIGHT OKAY.
FOR ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER HERE.
AND, UH, WE, UH, ANSWERED, UH, A LETTER FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER AND WE DID SOME MORE INVESTIGATION.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASKED, OR THAT HE ASKED
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WAS THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD GET WATER FROM THE CITY OF YONKERS.AND IN FACT, I DID, I DID SPEAK WITH MARYANNE, UH, WYATT DOLAN.
SHE'S OUR WATER SUPERINTENDENT IN THE CITY OF YONKERS.
AND SHE SAID, SURE, I'LL BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY SUPPLY IT.
HOWEVER, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE AN EIGHT INCH MAIN THROUGH SOMEONE'S PROPERTY.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN EASEMENT, UH, PROPOSED AND AGREED TO BY THAT PERSON ON ANY AERS TO ALLOW US TO PUT FOUR SMALL INCH AND A INCH AND A QUARTER OR INCH AND A HALF, UH, FORCE MAINS, INDIVIDUAL FORCE MAINS FROM THE FOUR HOMES THROUGH THERE TO THE YONKERS SANITARY SEWER.
HOWEVER, PUTTING AN EIGHT INCH, UH, WATER MAIN THROUGH SOME OF THESES PROPERTY IS A DIFFERENT STORE.
UH, AND BECAUSE IT'S UNDER PRESSURE AND, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGER EASEMENT THEN BECAUSE WE WOULD, UH, THE WATER DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT US TO KEEP 10 FEET HORIZONTAL SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, IT'S NOT REALLY REQUIRED BY PLUMBING CODE FOR IT TO HAVE THAT SEPARATION, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
SO, UH, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LARGER EASEMENT.
SO THAT WOULD KIND OF COMPLICATE THINGS FROM THE PROJECT STANDPOINT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'D LIKE TO STILL CONSIDER HAVING THE WATER MAIN COME FROM JACKSON AVENUE, WHICH WOULD THEN BE FROM THE GREENBURG WATER DISTRICT.
NOW, UH, THERE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY TO BE AN OUTER DISTRICT USER.
AND I HAVE, UH, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST, THEIR REALTY SUBDIVISION PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY, THEIR MAIN CONCERN WAS THAT THE WATER MAIN WAS OWNED PUBLICLY BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY, AND THEY WRITE THAT PUBLIC WATER MAINS ARE MORE EASILY MAINTAINED AND SERVED BY MUNICIPALITY WHO HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO COME IN THERE AND DO THE REPAIRS.
AND THAT WAS THEIR MAIN CONCERN.
AS LONG AS IT IS PUBLICLY OWNED.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN WRITING TO THAT EFFECT? NO, BECAUSE OUR OFFICE TRIED TO REACH THE COUNTY AND WE COULDN'T GET ANYTHING IN WRITING PUBLICLY.
NO, THEY WON'T CONSIDER UTILITY PROPERTY OR, OR JUST TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
PARDON ME? THE WATER MAIN COMING IN FROM THE STREET ONTO YOUR PROPERTY PUBLICLY LINE, THAT WOULD BE A UTILITY EASEMENT, WHICH IS COMMON THROUGH, UH, REALTY SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD GREENBERG, NONE OF THEM ARE, YEAH, I THINK IT, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN THE SERVICE LINE? THE SERVICE, NO, THE SERVICE LINES WOULD THEN BE PRIVATELY OWNED RIGHT.
BUT THE MAIN, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE SERVICING FOUR HOUSES OFF OF THAT.
YOU WANT, YOU NEED A WATER EIGHT DITCH WATER METER, YOU'RE SAYING GOING TO THEM INSTEAD OF FOUR INDIVIDUAL LINES COMING ALL THE WAY FROM BACK THERE.
ACROSS THE, ACROSS, UH, THE BORDER AND INTO THAT ONE QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER OR NOT, IS WHETHER THE FOUR PROPOSED HOUSES ARE IN AN EXISTING WATER DISTRICT ALREADY WITH YONKERS YONKERS.
AND IF THEY ARE, THEN YOU MIGHT NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF REMOVING YOURSELF FROM THAT DISTRICT, WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE IS AN EASY PROCESS.
I'VE MADE THAT INQUIRY WITH OUR WATER BUREAU SUPERINTENDENT AND SHE'S NOT, I HAVEN'T GOT AN ANSWER YET ON THAT.
I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME IF, IF THE PROPERTY IS IN YONKERS, YOU'RE IN A WATER DISTRICT.
SOME YOU'RE PROBABLY IN, IN YONKERS WATER DISTRICT, I WOULD THINK THEY ARE IN, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE IN THE YONKERS WATER DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S YONKERS PROPERTY AND IT'S IN, IT'S THERE.
HOWEVER, THERE WERE INTERCONNECTIONS AMONG DIFFERENT WATER DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY FOR REDUNDANCY REASONS.
SO I MEAN, IT MIGHT NOT, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY FED WATER FROM ANOTHER DISTRICT, BUT THEY ACTUALLY RESIDE.
ALL I THINK YOU MEANT IS WARNING YOU IS THAT IT COULD BE A VERY COMPLEX LEGAL THING TO, TO, TO FIX.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR LAND USE ATTORNEY WILL OF COURSE BE LOOKING INTO THAT.
UH, AND TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S COMPLICATED.
AND MY INQUIRIES WITH THE YONKERS WATER BUREAU, UM, OKAY.
THERE MAY EVEN BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA BE INVESTIGATING THAT.
UM, BUT BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO GET ANYTHING IN WRITING BECAUSE THEY WON'T GIVE THAT TO ME UNLESS I PRESENT THEM A PLAN.
AND I CAN'T DO THAT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I NEED TO GO TO THE CITY OF YONKERS TO FORM, TO FILE A SUBDIVISION.
BUT THE CITY OF YONKERS SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOT CONSIDER, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF IT, WE DID REVIEW IT WITH THEM.
THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER DOING THE SUBDIVISION UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WOULD ALLOW A DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE FIRST.
UM, AND IF THEY, NOW THEIR PROCESS, THEY DON'T HAVE A PLANNING BOARD, RIGHT? FOR SUBDIVISION? SUBDIVISION? OH, YES.
BUT SO IN YONKERS IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT THEIR SUBDIVISION IS FIVE LOTS OR MORE.
SO IT'S AN OLD, SO THE OLD SUBDIVISION DEFINITION WAS EITHER NEVER CHANGED OVER TIME OR THEY JUST, UM, DECIDED THAT FIVE LOTS OR SMALLER WOULD BE ADMINIS ADMINISTRATIVE OR A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
SO THIS, THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THEN, OR ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED IN THAT I HAVE TO HAVE A STREET THAT APPEARS ON THE
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OFFICIAL CITY MAP.SO IN ORDER TO GET A STREET THAT APPEARS ON THE OFFICIAL CITY MAP, I'M GONNA HAVE THE SMALLEST STREET.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT LITTLE SMALL SLIVER THAT WILL BE THE SMALLEST STREET IN THE CITY OF YONKERS.
IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, IS WHAT IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE YONKERS ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, WE CAN HAVE LOTS THAT APPEAR ON A PRIVATE ROAD IF THAT PRIVATE ROAD APPEARS ON THE OFFICIAL CITY MAP.
SO WE CAN DO THAT WITH A SUBDIVISION.
HOWEVER, NOW THAT WE'RE DOING A SUBDIVISION THAT INVOLVES A ROAD, I HAVE TO GO TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY FOR THE APPROVAL, WHICH COMPLICATES THE ISSUE.
SO, UM, THAT'S HOW THE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED.
IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION THEN.
'CAUSE WHO RUNS THE ROAD? IT'S GONNA BE THE ASSOCIATION, RIGHT? IT WILL BE, YES.
SO IT'S, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A FIFTH.
IT'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS WITH THE CITY OF YONKERS AND THEN TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SEEING HOW, UH, THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR WON'T BE AT THE SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING.
AND I'LL BE CHAIRING THAT MEETING AT THIS POINT.
I'M THOROUGHLY CONFUSED
SO I REALLY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE I, I'M A STEP BY STEP.
I'M HERE LISTENING TO IT AND IT, IT SEEMS LIKE A CATCH 22 IF YOU DO ONE THING, SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENING IF YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO I REALLY NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
AND EXACTLY WHAT IS THE PROPOSED REMEDIES? MM-HMM.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT APPROVALS ARE REQUIRED THROUGH THE CITY? WHAT DO YOU NEED IN ORDER TO FILE WITH THE COUNTY? AND WHAT APPROVALS, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE TIP PROCEDURALLY HOW YOU'RE NAVIGATING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I WOULD SAY CHRONOLOGICALLY, YES.
WE NEED, WE NEED YOU TO DEFINE THE PROCESS FOR SURE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, APPROVAL FROM, UH, ALL THE LOTS FROM THE YONKERS OR, BUT WHAT LEVEL YOU NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
SO, UH, WE JUST HAD MET WITH THE CITY TO SEE IF THEY WERE, THEY WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN IT.
UM, THIS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKSTORY HERE IN THAT THE APPLICANT DID GO TO THE CITY OF YONKERS TO SEEK A VARIANCE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR STORAGE.
BUT IT'S IN A S 50 ZONE, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
AND, UH, THE, THE ZONING BOARD AT THE TIME DENIED THAT.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS INCORRECT FOR THEM TO DENY THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, IT COULDN'T EFFECTIVELY BE USED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A USE VARIANCE.
SO, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS DENIED AT THE TIME.
AND THEY SAID WE'LL USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE APPLICANT THEN DECIDED FINE.
WE'LL USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
THE STANDARD OF USE VARIANCE IS VERY HIGH.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS, TO ME, IT'S FELT, I FELT LIKE IT WOULD DEFINITELY, THIS WAS BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED.
BUT, BUT THE STANDARD FOR ZONING BOARD, THE GRANT TO USE VARIANCE IS HIGH.
IF I MAY, IN THE LETTER OUTLINING, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURE AND ALL THE VARIOUS APPROVALS IS YOU COULD ALSO IDENTIFY WHO YOU'VE COMMUNICATED WITH.
AT THE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, YOU SPOKE WITH THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JAIME MARTINEZ, THE PLANNER OR SOMEBODY ELSE AT THE CITY LEVEL.
WE SPOKE LIMAN PRIOR TO AND THEN TO JAIME.
SO JUST TO OUTLINE THAT FOR US, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO DO SOME FOLLOW UP AND IF WE HAVE NAMES, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I, I THINK IN ALL DIFFERENT, I, I'M GONNA BE SIT SITTING IN A MOUNTAINTOP DRINKING MARGARITAS.
SO HE'S GONNA BE THE ONE YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
WHAT I THINK IS, WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND, AND IN THAT MEETING IS A, A TIMELINE AS TO WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN WHEN, BECAUSE WE DON'T, I KNOW I, WHAT I HEAR FROM YOU IS FOR YOU TO MOVE FORWARD IN YONKERS, YOU NEED US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE DRIVEWAY.
NOW, AMANDA, ONE OF THE THINGS I GUESS WE COULD DO IS APPROVE THIS CONTINGENT, RIGHT.
IF AND MOVE CONDITION IT TO DO IT THAT WAY SO THAT WE CAN BIFURCATE THE TWO THINGS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE RELATIVE AND STAY AWAY FROM GETTING INVOLVED IN ALL THIS CRAZY STUFF AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
WELL, WILL WE MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON CONTINGENT GETTING APPROVAL FOR THE SUB SUBDIVISION FOR YORKERS? GOTCHA.
AND MAYBE EVEN ON THE WATER, IN THE WATER DISTRICT AND THE WATER DISTRICT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, UH, IF THE PROJECT COULD NOT PROCEED THROUGH THE CITY OF YONKERS OR FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A DRIVEWAY WOULD NO LONGER BE NEEDED AND THEREFORE WOULD NOT PROCEED.
MAYBE WE COULD DO, MAYBE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO AROUND.
IT GETS FOCUS ON THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT.
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COMPLEX AND IT CAN BE CHICKEN TO THE EGG.WE NEVER, WE'RE NEVER GONNA, NEVER GONNA SOLVE THIS THING.
BUT THIS BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
SO IT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE CITY, TO COUNTY, EVERYONE.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT WE'RE KIND OF STEERING THE SHIP WITH REGARD TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROJECT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED.
JUST WANT THAT TO CASE, BUT, BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST TAKE A POSITION ON THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
WE SHOULD JUST FOCUS ON THE DRIVEWAY.
AND, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S DRAINAGE, LANDSCAPING, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S ON OUR SIDE, ON OUR, ON OUR PROPERTY.
I THINK WE SHOULD AND WE WILL.
SO WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT PROVIDE DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERALL AND THEN WHAT ARE WE REVIEWING SPECIFICALLY IN THE TOWN.
RESPECT TO THE SITE PLAN, THE VARIANCES, JUST SO THAT THE BOARD HAS THAT, THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH FURTHER WE CAN GET GET TONIGHT ANYWAY.
I THINK WHAT YOU, WHAT WHAT I WOULD DO WHILE, WHILE UH, I'M AWAY IN SEPTEMBER, UM, IS TRY TO GET THIS THING, THIS THING NEEDS TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT, NOT, NOT YET.
A LONG WAY FROM, SO WE WERE A LONG WAY FROM NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M JUST SEEING WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
DOES HE NEED TO GO TO THE ZONING, ZONING BOARD? IT'D BE NEXT.
RIGHT AFTER WE, AFTER WE DO C RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE SEEN SEEKER AND A RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHAT I BE WORKING TOWARDS THE NEXT TIME IS SEEING HOW FAR YOU GET WITH ALL OF THIS STUFF.
THAT ACTUALLY IMPACTS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE RUNNING A LINE FROM, FROM JACKSON AVENUE UP TO THOSE HOUSES, IT IS, IT IS THROUGH THE GREENBURG PROPERTY.
SO THAT CHANGES THE SITE PLAN AGAIN, RIGHT.
YOU MIGHT'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT, BUT I WAS GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED FOLLOWING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WATER.
AND JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS, SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 4TH.
IF WE HAVE THAT LETTER, UM, I THINK THAT WILL REALLY MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR FOR THE BOARD.
THEN THE BOARD PERHAPS ON THE FOURTH, CAN DIVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GET BACK INTO THE SITE PLAN AND THE VARIANCES REQUIRED RIGHT IN DETAIL ON THE FOURTH WITH THE GOAL.
OUR NEXT FOLLOWING MEETING IS ACTUALLY, IT'S SHOWN ON THE SCHEDULE AS THE 18TH, BUT THERE'S A CONFLICT.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING ON MONDAY THE 16TH, WHICH IS AHEAD OF THE ZONING BOARD'S MEETING ON THURSDAY THE 19TH.
SO IF EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER AND THIS BOARD'S IN A POSITION ON THE, OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER A SECRET DETERMINATION OR RECOMMENDATION.
IT WOULD BE HEAD OF THE ZONING, BE AHEAD OF THE ZONING BOARD MEETING.
JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR DUCK IN ROW.
TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S LOT OF MOVING AND PUTS, AND I WOULD SEPARATE OUT YONKERS ISSUES.
GREENBERG ISSUES WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WRITE THE MEMO.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A WATER MAIN FROM JACKSON AVENUE UP TO THE CUL-DE-SAC ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN DISTRIBUTING IT.
THEY WOULD, THE RESIDENTS THERE WOULD PAY THE, UH, THE GREENBERG WATER DISTRICT, NOT A DISTRICT RATES, BUT THERE WOULD BE AN EASEMENT THROUGH THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THROUGH PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY PUBLIC DEPARTMENT WANTS IT TO BE A PUBLIC.
THE MAIN WATER MADE TO BE PUBLIC.
DOES THAT WHAT WE DID ON SPRING WHEN WE DID, UH, THIS UH, GEL SPRING? IS THAT THING THAT, 'CAUSE WE PUT WATER PIPE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP TO THE PUMPING STATION? NO, LIKE IT'S THROUGH A, THROUGH A THE STREET.
DO THEY, DID THEY DONATE THE STREET? THAT STREET THAT IS A TOWN ROAD NOW.
THAT'S WHAT, BUT EVEN ON PRIVATE ROADS.
UH, SO LEY ROAD SUBDIVISION, I MEAN THERE ARE EASEMENTS ACROSS PRIVATE ROADS FOR PUBLIC UTILITY.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY THOUGH.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA GO THROUGH, IT'LL GO UNDER THE ROAD, RIGHT? OR ADJACENT TO THE ROAD.
UH, IT'LL BE IN THE ROAD IN THE UH, DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN THE SERVICE LINES SPAN OUT.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE DISCUSSING THIS TONIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS.
YOU FEEL LIKE LAID OUT OUR PROCESS? YEAH.
I THINK THAT, UM, TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT, WE WOULD SATISFY YONKERS REQUIREMENTS.
IF WE COULD GET TO THE ZONING BOARD HERE AND AT LEAST THE ZONING BOARD WOULD BE ENTERTAINING OUR VARIANCES, THEN THAT WOULD HELP US IN YONKERS IN THAT GREENBERG WAS, UH, CONSIDERING THE DRIVEWAY, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO GET, GET THIS IN FRONT.
YOU CAN TALK TO AARON HOW TO DO THIS, BUT YOU PROBABLY WANT TO TRY TO SCHEDULE TO BE ON THE ZONING BOARD CALENDAR SOON FOR SEPTEMBER.
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OKAY.BECAUSE IT TELLS UP, HAVE YOU FILED YET? WE HAVEN'T, NO.
SO WE DO THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TOLD US TO BEGIN PREPARING.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE, OR YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO IT SOON.
THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING IS THE 15TH OF AUGUST.
SO THAT'S A WEEK FROM TOMORROW.
SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT APPLICATION INTO MS. JONES AND YOU CAN COORDINATE THROUGH THAT AND MYSELF, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, BUT I THINK A GOAL TO GET YOUR APPLICATION IN AHEAD OF AUGUST 15TH WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
AND THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AND THEN WE'RE LINING UP, YOU KNOW, TO GET YOU TO THAT POINT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD REST OF GOOD OF THE SUMMER.
SO WE NEED A MOTION EXECUTIVE THIRD, CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THEN TO DISCUSS THE PERSONNEL MATTER BEFORE WE DO, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THEN YOU CAN TALK.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD.
SO THE DISCUSSION PART IS BECAUSE MIKE IS NOT HERE VOTING MEMBER, I'VE, AND ALSO AS I SAID, I'M UNPREPARED, I WOULD REALLY RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW 'CAUSE WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
IF WE CAN HAVE, UH, IF WE CAN SCHEDULE A MEETING FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SUBJECT MATTER WHEN HE'S PRESENT, IF WE'RE GONNA, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON SOMETHING.
SO THIS WAY THEN MAYBE I'M A LITTLE BIT, WE JUST COULD, ARE YOU REQUESTING FULL BOARD ATTENDANCE TO DISCUSS THIS? UH, WELL IF IT'S GONNA BE YEAH.
DISCUSSION THAT WE, I I'M, I THOUGHT HE SAID WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WERE GONNA DO A RESOLUTION.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, IF ANYTHING.
AND IN GETTING, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET EIGHT, SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND, AND THERE.
AND PLUS, IT'S, IT'S VERY TIME SENSITIVE TOO.
THIS IS, THIS IS IN REAL TIME.
AND I, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S GOING ON NOW IN REAL TIME.
AND, AND, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DO APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
UM, THE EFFECTS THAT IT HAS ON NOT JUST SPECIFIC BOARD MEMBERS, BUT IN GENERAL.
THAT BEING SAID, THERE WAS A LOT OVER THE LAST MONTH TO GO THROUGH.
UM, AND SOME OF THE, I DO NEED TO RESEARCH ON MY OWN AT THE SAME TIME GOING THROUGH CERTAIN BATTLES WITH BIG ORGANIZATIONS IN MY JOB WHERE I HAD TO DO A LOT OF WRITING.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE, UM, REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME.
WELL, THE, THE WAY THEN I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THIS, HOLD ON AND THEN I'LL LET YOU SPEAK.
I WHAT I SUGGEST WE GO IN AND IF NOTHING HAPPENS AND YOU THINK WE NEED A FOLLOW UP MEETING, WE'LL TRY TO SCHEDULE A FOLLOW UP MEETING.
TOM, TOM AGREED TO, TOM SAID FOR HALF AN HOUR.
AND WE HAVE A, WE WERE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE BY NINE 30 AND MAKE GOOD JOB GUYS TO DO THAT.
YEAH, I, I THINK I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SAME THING WE JUST GOING DO HAVE, SO THAT, UH, THE ISSUE THAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE TALK AND THEN IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE, UH, DISCUSSIONS OR, OR, UH, UH, NEXT STEPS, THEN WE WILL DO THAT.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, RATHER THAN HERE I, I'D CALL THE MOTION BECAUSE, UH, WE TALKING ABOUT A HALF HOUR, WE CAN SPEND A HALF HOUR DISCUSS ABOUT JUST SAYING ONE QUICK POINT.
SO, UM, ALL OF THE MEMBERS, IF YOU, AS MUCH AS I WOULD NOT WANT TO SIT IN AND LISTEN ON A DISCUSSION ABOUT A COMPLAINT ABOUT MY BOSS, UM, I DO FEEL OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO, UH, YOU WOULD NEED TO VOTE TO EXCLUDE ME FROM THE MEETING FOR OKAY.
CAN I HAVE AN MOTION THAT, SO MOVE? NO, CAN I, WHY DON'T WE JUST CHANGE THE, MODIFY THE MOTION.
MODIFY THE MOTION TO HAVE A, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBER ONLY EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IS THAT AN AYE TOM? YEAH, IT WAS TOM, I'M GONNA HAVE TO CALL, GONNA HAVE TO CALL YOU I GUESS ON THE PHONE SPEAKER PHONE ON SPEAKER PHONE.
UM, WE JUST CAME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IT WAS TO DISCUSS A PERSONNEL MATTER.
UH, NO VOTES WERE TAKEN AND THAT ENDED AT, LEMME JUST SEE THE TIME AT ABOUT 10 16.