* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] IN PROGRESS. [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: JDudek@Greenburghny.com https://ny-greenburgh.civicplus.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings] GOOD EVENING. TODAY IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 27TH, AND WE WILL BE STARTING TODAY'S WORK SESSION AT TIME. NOW IS, UH, 5 45, UH, TODAY, UH, THE TOWN SUPERVISOR IS OUT ON VACATION, AND I WILL BE FILLING IN, UH, AS TOWN SUPERVISOR, AS DEPUTY TOWN SUPERVISOR. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT CLEAR. UM, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE, UH, RIGG. THAT'S N-Y-P-R-P-I-R-G. UM, WE HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BLAIR HORNER, AND HIS, UM, ASSISTANT GABRIEL APER. AND I HOPE I SAID THAT CORRECTLY, THAT I DIDN'T ANY PARTICULAR RECEIPTS? NO, NO. HAVE THE RECEIPT. JUST MAKE SURE. SO THANK YOU, DEPUTY SUPERVISOR. OH, JACKSON, COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, SAY WHAT N PER STANDS FOR FOR THE PUBLIC? OH, SURE. EDUCATION, I THINK, OR, ABSOLUTELY. SO THIS IS A TRICK QUESTION FOR ME, ACTUALLY, A NEW YORK PUBLIC, AND Y WE KNOW WHAT NY STANDS FOR, SO THANK YOU SAUL TURNER. I DON'T OVER YOU TO MR. HOLMES. SURE. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND TAKING TIME, UH, OUT OF YOUR BUSY AGENDA. UH, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD OUR NAMES. UM, AND, UH, NYBERG, NEW YORK PUBLIC INTEREST RESEARCH GROUP IS A STATEWIDE, UH, NON-PROFIT, UH, NON-IDEOLOGICAL, NON-PARTISAN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES A LOT OF WORK ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST. UH, AND FOR 50 YEARS WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS NEW YORK STATE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON THE IMPORTANT ISSUES OF THE DAY, AND AT LEAST IN OUR OPINION, TO GET THEM ENGAGED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE IN THE DEBATES, TYPICALLY AT THE STATE CAPITOL. UM, WE'VE, UH, WE, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE DO THAT IS WE GO DOOR TO DOOR AND TALK TO PEOPLE. UH, WE TRAIN OUR STAFF TO GO TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE DOOR. UH, WE SOLICIT THEIR, UH, HELP, UH, IN TERMS OF, WELL, FIRST, CERTAINLY WE WANT TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE ISSUES AND THEIR HELP IN TERMS OF WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS, UH, AND SUPPORT FOR NY PER, IF POSSIBLE. UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME. UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION INVOLVED IN AN EFFORT, UH, IN NEW YORK. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, COSTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE INFRASTRUCTURE, COSTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE ARE, UH, HUGE, UH, AND WILL ONLY GO UP NO MATTER IF WE STOP GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TOMORROW. IT'LL STILL GET HOTTER, EXCEPT IN HERE BECAUSE THE AIR CONDITIONING JUST CAN DIE . THAT'S RIGHT. NOT QI ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THIS PLACE. THAT'S RIGHT. A SMALL $5. UH, AND, UM, UH, UH, THE COST WILL BE STAGGERING. THE ESTIMATES ARE AS MUCH AS 10 BILLION ANNUALLY IN NEW YORK, UH, AND THAT COMES OUTTA TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND WE'RE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON THAT ISSUE, BECAUSE OFTEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, YOU THINK ABOUT WINDMILLS AND SOLAR PANELS ALL APPROPRIATE, BUT NOT JUST THE COSTS OF MORE INTENSE STORMS, RISING SEA LEVELS, MORE INTENSE HEAT. UH, SO, UH, THERE'S A, UH, AN EFFORT TO TRY TO GET THE OIL COMPANIES, UH, TO PICK UP AT LEAST PART OF THE SHARE OF THE COSTS. UH, THERE'S LEGISLATIONS PASSED BOTH HOUSES, UH, AT THE STATE CAPITOL. VERMONT HAS PASSED IT AND WAS APPROVED, UH, WITH, UH, THE, UH, REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S SUPPORT, UH, TO ACTUALLY CREATE A SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, THE, UM, OIL COMPANIES TO BE ON THE HOOK FINANCIALLY FOR AT LEAST SOME OF THE DAMAGES. MM-HMM. SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT. WE WANT TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THOSE ISSUES SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A FINANCIAL, UH, UH, ISSUE THAT'S AT STAKE. THERE'S A TAXPAYER ISSUE AT STAKE, AND THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT WE BELIEVE HELPS OFFSET THOSE COSTS. SO WE'VE BEEN COMING TO, YOU KNOW, GREENBERG FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE HAD APPROXIMATELY 2,800 OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, UH, SUPPORT US, UH, IN THE PAST. UH, AND, UH, WE FO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR TOWN CODE. UH, LAST YEAR I CAME DOWN TO TALK WITH THE SUPERVISOR AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY. UH, AND, UH, LUCKILY, UH, THEY DIDN'T KICK ME OUT. UH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, UH, AND THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WANTED WAS JUST TO GO, SORT OF, TO GO BACK TO THAT, THE SYSTEM ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWING EXACTLY THE CODE, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO MANAGE THE, UH, INCREASING REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT HAVE COME UP WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR IN THE POLICE FORCE. MM-HMM, , WE WANT, JUST, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, I MEAN, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR. WE DO NOT WANT TO ALIENATE ANYBODY. SO WE WERE, WE'RE HOPING IN THIS CONVERSATION TO COME TO, UH, IN A, I GUESS SOME WAY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO GREENBERG RESIDENTS, UH, TO GET THEM INVOLVED AS BEST WE CAN, AND TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO DO OUR WORK, UH, AND, UH, DO IT IN A WAY THAT THE, THE PEOPLE OF GREENBERG APPRECIATE US COMING TO DOOR, EVEN IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH US. UM, AND SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. UH, GAB IS A PERSON WHO RUNS THE DEPARTMENT. [00:05:01] UH, AND, UH, SO IF THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HOW DO WE DO THINGS? YOU SHOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT. UH, BUT THE HOPE WAS TO REVERT TO A MORE COMPLICATED PROCESS THAT HAS ESSENTIALLY KEPT US OUT OF GREENBERG FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, UH, UH, EXCEPT UNDER EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES, LIKE ONE DAY A WEEK OR SOMETHING. AND, UM, TO REVERT TO WHAT THE CODE EXACTLY SAYS THAT WE SHOULD DO AS A NON-FOR-PROFIT, UH, UH, OR CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION SEEKING SUPPORT. SO, LEMME JUST STOP THERE AGAIN. WOULD YOU ADD, DID I FORGET ANYTHING? NO, THAT WAS GREAT. THANKS. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES OR RULES THAT YOU OPERATE UNDER? IN, IN TERMS OF WHEN WE GO TO THE DOOR OR JUST GENERALLY? NO, JUST WHEN YOU GO TO THE DOOR. RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, WE WANT TO HAVE BRIEF CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AT THE DOOR. WE DON'T WANNA TAKE UP THE TIME. I UNDERSTAND. 'CAUSE COME TO YOUR HOUSE. I'M TO COME TO THE HOUSE. I, I GIVE RIGHT. I, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH THE POSITIONS. UH, WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH PEOPLE WHERE SOMEBODY'S HAVING A BARBECUE IN THE BACK. THEY ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE GATE TO THE BACK, AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BIGGER AUDIENCE THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, ARE YOU? NO. UH, WE, UH, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN DISTANCE AT THE DOOR. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR. RIGHT? EXACTLY. BUT TO STEP BACK WHEN PEOPLE COME TO IT, TO NOT GO IN THE HOUSE, TO NOT BUG PEOPLE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR TO THAT PERSON. MM-HMM. . AND IF THEY'RE IN THE BACK HAVING A BARBECUE AND THEY'RE STILL MAD AT US, UH, THAT DOESN'T HELP US THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO, UM, IF THERE IS, AND YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT US, BUT IF THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU'RE RAISING RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO TRY TO WORK OUT A SYSTEM WHERE IF THOSE KINDS OF COMPLAINTS COME UP, WE HEAR ABOUT 'EM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S TOO ENERGETIC OR EXUBERANT OR WHATEVER, HUMANS BEING HUMANS, WE CERTAINLY DON'T TELL THEM TO DO THAT. WE TELL THEM NOT TO DO THAT. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IF WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THAT QUICKLY, WE CAN REMEDY THOSE THINGS QUICKLY. RIGHT. EITHER BY, YOU KNOW, RETOOLING THE PERSON'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE JOB IS, UH, OR, UH, OR TELLING 'EM THEY CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. I MEAN, WE CARE A LOT ABOUT OUR PUBLIC IMAGE, AND WE CARE A LOT ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF TALKING TO PEOPLE AT THE DOOR, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE FAIL. RIGHT? I MEAN, IN THE POLITICS OF AMERICA, YOU KNOW, POWER, AS YOU, YOU ALL KNOW, PEOPLE WITH A, UH, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, ENTITIES WITH A LOT OF MONEY HAVE AN EX, UH, AN INORDINATE CONTROL OVER THE POLICY MAKING PROCESS. AND OUR VIEW IS THE MORE YOU GET PEOPLE, AVERAGE PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THAT, YOU CAN BALANCE THE SCALES AND HAVE A MORE REASONABLE, UH, BUT ANYHOW, THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOUT COMING TO YOUR BACKYARD. WE TELL THEM NOT TO GO IN THE BACKYARD, , AND WHAT, WHAT SHOULD WE DO IF THEY DO? WELL, WE COULD CREATE WHATEVER SYSTEM THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH. IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE, UM, A, UH, A SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE IF A COMPLAINT COMES IN, IT GOES IMMEDIATELY TO SOMEONE ON THE NYBERG STAFF. 'CAUSE WE KNOW WHERE OUR PEOPLE ARE. HMM. UH, WE MONITOR THEM AND WE CAN ALERT SOMEONE, KICK ME UNDER THE TABLE IF I'M GOING TOO FAR. , UH, WE CAN ALERT THE, WHOEVER THE SUPERVISOR IS OF THAT TEAM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TELL THEM TO GO TALK TO THAT PERSON. SO I THINK IN REASONABLE, REAL TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BE GETTING CALLS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT CREATES HEADACHES FOR YOU. YOU ALREADY HAVE A HARD ENOUGH JOB. WE DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO GET THE CALLS. UM, BUT, UM, A, A SYSTEM, WE, WE WORK AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN WITH THE POLICE AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT ON THAT END. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE DON'T WANNA SURPRISE ANYBODY. AND IF THERE'S, IF WE WANT TO HAVE A, AS REAL TIME, AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE RESPONSE RATE FROM US, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK THAT OUT. AND WHEN WERE YOU PLANNING ON DOING THIS? CANVASSING? WELL, WE HAD REQUESTED TO COME IN THIS SUMMER. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE END OF AUGUST. IT'S THE END OF AUGUST. THE LETTER, I BELIEVE, WAS THROUGH AUGUST 31ST. WE WOULD ASK TO DO IT NEXT MONTH, NEXT MONTH FOR 30 DAYS. LIKE, WHAT'S THE DURATION? HOW LONG ARE YOU? WELL, WE DON'T, THE WAY THAT WE SORT OF WORK IN THE FIELD IS WE'RE NOT ALWAYS IN ONE COMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN NUMBER OF STRAIGHT DAYS. SO WE MIGHT BE HERE BECAUSE IF THE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM WHEREVER THE OFFICE IS, IF IT'S A LONGER DRIVE TO, UH, GREENBURG, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY MIGHT GO TO A SHORTER PLACE. AND THEN THE LONGER, SO IT'S, IT'S DURING THAT SPAN OF TIME, BUT PROBABLY AROUND A WEEK'S WORTH OF TIME. WOULD YOU SAY? MAYBE 2, 2, 2 WEEKS OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE MONTH. AND DO YOU HAVE LIKE A SAMPLE SCRIPT OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SHARE? . OKAY. I, I MEAN, HERE'S THE ELLEN. I WASN'T FINISHED . SORRY. TOUCHE. SENSITIVE LISTENS. HAVE TO JUMP IN WHEN WE CAN. THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE HERE. WE'RE, I'M SO SORRY. WE'RE, WE'RE ALL RIGHT. WHO IS IT? . SO I'M, I'M GONNA DO THIS CORRECTLY. SO DID YOU FINISH YOUR QUESTION? WELL, THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED [00:10:01] TO SAY, AND, AND I WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF A JOKE. THEY NEVER APPRECIATE MY JOKES. UH, BUT I DID WANT, I DID WANT TO ASK. IT'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU NOW, 'CAUSE YOU GENERALLY COME BACK IN DECEMBER, JANUARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE WINTER MONTHS. WE, WE TYPICALLY DON'T GO TO, UH, WE'RE TYPICALLY NOT IN GREENBERG IN, UH, THE WINTER, DEAD OF WINTER. BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET CONCERNED. IT'S REALLY DARK OUT AND THEN NOW SOMEBODY'S KNOCKING OUT THE DOOR. RIGHT. I MEAN, OUR STAFF ARE TRAINED, AND YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON MM-HMM. AND I HEART, I HATE TO EVEN BRING IT UP SINCE WE'RE STILL IN THE SUMMER. BUT IN THE DEAD OF WINTER, YOU KNOW, THE SUN GOES DOWN AT FOUR 30 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. UM, OUR STAFF ARE, ARE TRAINED, UH, WE DISCUSS WITH THE STAFF ABOUT HOW TO WORK AT IS USUALLY AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO PEOPLE WHO SAID, PLEASE COME BACK. OR MEMBERS THAT HAVE WANTED US TO SEE US. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE, WE TRY TO TRUNCATE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT IT IS, UH, IT IS PRE THE DEAD OF WINTER. UM, WHEN WE TRY TO COME AND TYPICALLY WE TRY TO COME IN THE SUMMER. THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS THAT WE CAN'T TREAT YOU ANY DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT FULLY AGREE WITH. RIGHT. SURE. I, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOUR POSITIONS. WE'D HAVE TO LET THE SAME THING HAPPEN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SOLICITING THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A STANDARD AND WE CAN'T HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD VIEW THAN WE HAVE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, IT'S OUR VIEW THAT WE'RE COMPLYING THAT WE WILL EASILY COMPLY WITH THE CODE AS IS, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT. SO THAT, THAT FOR US ISN'T THE ISSUE. IT IS. UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SAME RULES OF THE ROAD APPLY TO EVERYBODY. 'CAUSE IT'S CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED, FREE SPEECH AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND SO WE TOTALLY GET IT. AND WE LIKE THAT ACTUALLY. UM, UH, AND THAT, AND SOMETIMES IF PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW, IT CAN GENERATE MORE, UH, DISCOMFORT AMONG YOUR CONSTITUENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT FROM WHAT WE CONTROL, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF UNDERSTAND THE RULES OF THE ROAD WHEN THEY GO, ARE THE RULES OF THE HOUSE, UH, WHEN THEY GO THERE, UH, AND THAT THEY KNOW THE ISSUES AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE AN AMBASSADOR FROM THE ORGANIZATION AND THAT THEY'RE, I IMPORT THAT THEY'RE LEAVING A MARK THAT MAY BE THERE FOR, IN TERMS OF HOW THEY TREAT, UH, PEOPLE WHEN THEY TALK TO THEM. UM, AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THEN IF WE WANT TO CREATE SOME SORT OF SYSTEM WHERE WE GET IN REAL TIME, ANY SORT OF, UH, CONCERN, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO DEAL WITH IT. I'M JUST, I WAS JUST COMPLETELY UNFAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THEY COORDINATED WITH US. LIKE THERE'S CANVASING FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT GETTING A PERMIT FROM THE CLERK. SO POLITICAL CANVASSING, THEY CAN ALL GET PERMITS FROM THE CLERK. NO, THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT SOLICITING SUBJECT TO THE TOWN CODE. I SEE. THAT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THOSE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. THAT'S COMMERCIAL VERSUS PROFIT VERSUS SOLICITING MONEY. I SEE. I SEE. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED THE CLIMATE. IS THAT THE ONLY THING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, WELL, WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE AT THE DOOR, THAT'S WHAT WE TALK TO 'EM ABOUT. NOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE ATION DRUGS? RIGHT. WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WHERE OUR, OUR STAFF ARE INSTRUCTED TO TALK ABOUT CLIMATE. UH, SPECIFICALLY THE CONCERN ABOUT THE RAPIDLY HEATING PLANET, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COST TO THE TAXPAYER, THE LOOMING AND GROWING COST OF THE TAXES. SO SPECIFICALLY THIS TIME, YES. YOU'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON THIS CLIMATE ISSUE. YES. AND YOU ARE FOCUSING ON THIS CLIMATE ISSUE BASED ON NEW YORK STATE. CONSIDER THE, THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATIVE BODY CONSIDERING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO VERMONT'S OR CORRECT. THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. THE LONGER ANSWER IS IT PASSED BOTH HOUSES ALREADY. IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S GONNA DO. SO IT PASSED OVERWHELMINGLY WITH, UH, SUPPORT OF BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN BOTH HOUSES. OKAY. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S GONNA DO. AND, UH, SO WE, WE HOPE THEY'LL, THAT SHE'LL SIGN IT. SO THERE'S A SORT OF A LOBBYING ELEMENT TO, I MEAN, IT, I MEAN, IT'S, I'M JUST, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT AT ALL, SO, NO, FINE. THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, MOST OF THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT EDUCATING THEM ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, EDUCATING THE PERSON AT THE DOOR ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE THIS TIME AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE. YES. YES. YEAH. AND IT HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTENTIAL CRISIS. MM-HMM. . SO WE TALK TO PEOPLE AT THE DOOR SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT. THE NEED FOR SOLAR POWER. MM-HMM. OR THE NEED FOR A, YOU KNOW, REAL GOALS IN TERMS OF, UM, THE STATE ACHIEVING, YOU KNOW, LESS RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS. THIS LAST COUPLE YEARS HAS BEEN ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND HOW DO WE, HOW DOES THE STATE DEAL WITH THAT? MM-HMM. . SO THE, THE CONVERSATION IS, STARTS WITH A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FACT THAT 2024 MAY TURN OUT TO BE THE HOTTEST YEAR AND FOR HUMAN RECORDED HISTORY. AND LAST YEAR WAS TOO. AND THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM. AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM. ONE OF WHICH IS TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. AND [00:15:01] ALSO THERE'S A, AS A TAXPAYER, YOU ARE GONNA BE FACED WITH SIGNIFICANT COSTS DUE TO, UH, THE DAMAGES THAT RESULT FROM, UH, RAPIDLY HEATING PLANET. RIGHT. AND SO, AND SO IT'S, IT'S LESS ABOUT LOBBYING, IT'S MORE ABOUT EDUCATION. MM-HMM. . AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT US. MM-HMM. , WE ARE FIGHTING TO DO THAT, WHAT WE JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU. AND CAN YOU HELP US? MM-HMM. . YEAH. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE, THE PACKAGE. IT'S GENERALLY UNDER FIVE MINUTE CONVERSATION, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS 'CAUSE THEY'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE. MM-HMM. , WE TRY TO ANSWER AS BEST WE CAN. I JUST HAVE CON I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. JUST ONE MORE. OKAY. I JUST HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR AND, UM, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOCKING ON DOORS FOR VARIOUS. SO, UM, SO, WHICH, WHICH IS A GREAT SEGUE INTO MY QUESTION, . SO , SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, TO, TO COUNCILMAN HENDRICK'S POINT, WILL, WILL YOUR STAFF HAVE SOME TYPE OF IDENTIFYING CLOTHING IDS, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE REQUIRE FOR OUR UTILITY COMPANIES TO COME IN, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT, UM, YOUR ORGANIZATION CAME AND KNOCKED ON THEIR DOOR, WHETHER THEY LOOKED AT THE RING RING CAMERA, OR THEY JUST WHEREVER, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE A STRANGER AND THEY KNOW WHO'S KNOCKING AT THE DOOR. I MEAN, THERE'LL BE A STRANGER NO MATTER WHAT, WHAT, WELL, STRANGER, YES. BUT IDENTIFIABLE. YEAH. WE DO EQUIP EVERYONE WITH A, A I PER IDENTIFICATION CARD. UH, WHEN THEY GO TO THE DOOR, THE POLICE GET A LIST OF ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT ARE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES FROM ANYBODY. RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO WE LET THE POLICE KNOW. WE LET THE CLERK KNOW WHEN THEY GO TO THE DOOR, THEY HAVE THE CARD. UM, THEY DON'T GO INTO THE HOUSE. MM-HMM. , THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE BACKYARD. . AND SO IT'S RELATIVELY SHORT AND, UH, CONVERSATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THEM WHERE YOU'RE JUST DYING TO SAY, SO SOMETHING . YEAH. I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA ADD IN, UH, TO WHAT CLAIRE SAID. THANK YOU, GAVIN. UM, PLEASE SUPPLY THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, EACH DAY WE ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING OUTREACH WITH WHO IS GOING TO BE THERE. OKAY. SO THERE NO SURPRISES AT ALL. UH, EACH STAFF HAS A PHOTO ID THAT IS A BERG ISSUED ID. UM, AND THAT IS ALSO REQUIRED IN, UH, GREENBERG'S LICENSING, UM, SECTION OF THE CODE. SO WE, SO I, BUT WE DO IT JUST CON JUST CONCERN, JUST CONCERN, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE, IS THAT ID VISIBLE IT'S ON THE BACK, BACK OF THEIR CLIPBOARDS, WHICH THEY ARE HOLDING UP. OKAY. IS THERE A PICTURE TO IDENTIFY THE PERSON WHO WE'RE SPEAKING TO? YES. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTIONS, WHICH IS SEPARATE, IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE EDUCATING, UM, THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PROGRAM, YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION OF ALTERNATIVE WIND SOURCES OR ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES? NO. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE CLEAR BECAUSE I, I WOULDN'T WANT US TO ENGAGE INTO A CONVERSATION AND THEN I COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I'VE GOT YOUR NAME. SORRY. BLAIR. BLAIR SAID TO ME THAT I SHOULD CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY. THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY DIDN'T DO WELL BY ME. SO NOW I'M GOING, I DON'T WANT THE TOWN RESPONSE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GIVING ANY TYPE OF ADVICE TO PURCHASE OR SOLICITING FOR ANY OTHER COMPANY OR SUPPLIER. WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED IN ANY SORT OF COMMERCIAL TRANSACTION. OKAY. IT'S PURELY, UH, EDUCATIONAL, CHARITABLE, AND, UM, UH, ACTIVISM. OKAY. I JUST WANTED, AND, AND HAVING EXPERIENCED IT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UH, IT'S A FAIRLY SOFT SELL. RIGHT. IF THEY SEE THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT INTERESTED, I'M SURE THEY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE TIME, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO CONVERT YOU OVER. BUT, UH, IT EXACTLY, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, AND, AND IT'S NOT IN OUR INTEREST TO DO THAT. RIGHT. IT'S IN OUR INTEREST TO HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION ABOUT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE OF THE DAY AND TO, TO, TO LEAVE. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PERSON AT THE DOOR THINKING, WELL, I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY. I DIDN'T LIKE THE PERSON'S HAIRCUT. RIGHT. UM, AND WHAT'S WITH THAT OLD GUY, BLAIR? RIGHT. YOU CAN SAY ALL OF THOSE THINGS. RIGHT. I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT. RIGHT. WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS GAB. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY, THEY FELT LIKE, WELL, IT WAS STILL A GOOD HUMAN. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ENOUGH OF THAT IN AMERICAN CIVIL DISCOURSE. AND SO WE WANT OUR PEOPLE TO DO THAT. SO WHEN THE PERSON GOES BACK NEXT YEAR, MAYBE THAT PERSON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRINKING WATER CONTAMINATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THE PERSON RESPONDS TO THAT ISSUE DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DID ON MAKING THE OIL COMPANIES PAY FOR THE CLEANUP OF AND PANDEMIC ONE. I SAID, I HAD ONE MORE. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SO ONCE THEY KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND NO ONE IS HOME, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF LITERATURE OR SOMETHING THAT'S LEFT OR IT'S JUST A KIND OF KNOCK AND GO KNOCK AND GO, OKAY. I MEAN, WE MAY COME BACK. RIGHT, RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. BUT YOU DON'T LEAVE ANY, YOU DON'T LEAVE ANY TYPE OF LITERATURE OR ANYTHING. OKAY. AND WHY IS THAT? WHICH TOO CHEAP. OH, OH, [00:20:01] EXPENSE . OKAY. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT, SOMEBODY HAS TO, TO CARRY IT POST NOTE. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE CAN DO THAT. RIGHT. UM, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS TO SCHLEP IT AROUND. SOMEBODY HAS TO PUT IT ON THE DOOR. IT'S JUST, IT'S BETTER FOR US. WE KEEP TRACK OF OUR INTERACTIONS. MM-HMM. . SO WE KNOW THAT IF WE DIDN'T TALK TO THE PERSON, WE DO KNOW THAT. AND IF WE COME BACK, WE THEN CAN GO KNOCK ON THAT DOOR AND SEE IF THE PERSON'S THERE. BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, THAT HAPPENS A LOT. RIGHT? SURE. I MEAN, WESTCHESTER SUBURBAN AREA, MANY PEOPLE WORK IN NEW YORK CITY. THEY DON'T GET HOME UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK IF THEY'RE LUCKY. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO WE, WE, WE ARE AWARE OF THAT, AND WE, BUT WE DO KEEP TRACK OF IT. OKAY. OKAY. I, I DO THINK IT'S AN ADVANTAGE THAT YOU DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING, BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS TO LEAVE LIKE A DOOR HANGER SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN SEE FOR THREE DAYS THAT DOOR HANGER HASN'T BEEN REMOVED. MM-HMM. , NOW YOU'RE PUTTING THAT HOUSE AND, AND AT RISK. AT RISK. RIGHT. WELL, AND THEN THERE'S THAT WHOLE, LIKE, WE, LIKE RECYCLING THING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S THAT TOO. AND PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE LIT. LITTERING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD . AND I'M CHEAP A SCOTCH IN ME, YOU KNOW, , NO JUDGMENT. GABRIELLE, DO YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? LOOK LIKE YOU EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS WRONG. . NO. UM, HE'S NOT CHEAP. . UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT LAR IN THE BEGINNING, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US OUT AND, UM, JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE OPERATE. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR, THIS IS THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH WITH EVERY MUNICIPALITY AND THE OVER 100 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES WE CANVAS IN ACROSS NEW YORK STATE. WE COMMUNICATE WITH CLERK'S OFFICES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE STAFF PERSON IS ACCOUNTED FOR WHEN WE TALK TO THE, UM, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES EVERY DAY. SO THERE IS NEVER AN UNEXPECTED PERSON ANYWHERE. UM, THIS ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE SAFETY ON OUR END FOR, UM, MUNICIPALITIES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO KNOW WHO IS WHERE AND KEEPS EVERYONE HAPPY. AND WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND COMPLY WITH THE CODE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THAT IN PLENTY OF AREAS, WHETHER THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HERE ACROSS WESTCHESTER OR ALL THE WAY ACROSS NEW YORK STATE, UM, MOST MUNICIPALITIES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE ABLE TO CIRCLE BACK TO US IN THAT DAY, OR ONE OR TWO DAYS. UM, AND BEING ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. UM, I, MAYBE I DIDN'T GET MY ANSWER ABOUT THE SCRIPT YET. OH, SORRY. . OH, AHEAD. IT'S OKAY. WELL, I, I THINK I OUTLINED IT FOR YOU. I MEAN, JUST LIKE THAT WE GET TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE REAL, IN A SENSE, TRADE SECRETS, BUT WE DO SORT OF HAVE PEOPLE LET ALSO DO WHAT WE DO. MM-HMM. . AND SO HANDING OUT WHAT WE, HOW WE TRAIN OUR PEOPLE IS A LITTLE TRICKY WITH REGARD TO SOMEONE ELSE GETTING THEIR HANDS ON IT. RIGHT. UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION LAW, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, UH, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY GO THROUGH ONE WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. JUST WHAT, YEAH, WHAT YOU WANT TO TAKE THE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WRAP? I JUST SORT OF DID IT ALREADY, BUT YOU COULD DO IT BETTER THAN ME. UM, CAN I GIVE AN OLD WRAP TO NOT HAVE THE CURRENT CAMPAIGN? SURE. DOES THAT SURE. DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? SURE. I JUST WANNA, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I KNOCK ON THE DOOR. YOU ANSWER THE DOOR. MM-HMM. SAY, HI, I'M GABRIELLE FROM NYBERG, THE NEW YORK PUBLIC INTEREST RESEARCH GROUP. WE'RE NEW YORK'S LARGEST STUDENT DIRECTED ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION. UH, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 40 YEARS, UH, CONDUCTING OUTREACH ACROSS NEW YORK STATE TO WORK ON ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WORKING ON BANNING FRACKING IN NEW YORK STATE. IT IS A DANGEROUS GAS DRILLING METHOD KNOWN TO BE A HUGE THREAT TO HUMAN HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN HELP US BY GETTING INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN. UM, RIGHT NOW, FOLKS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE HELPING OUT BY MAKING A CONTRIBUTION OF $180 TO SUPPORT THIS ISSUE. UH, WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THE TRUNCATED VERSION, USUALLY IT LASTS ABOUT 90 SECONDS. YEAH. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S FAIR. AT LEAST WE GET AN IDEA. YEAH. JUST A SENSE OF IT. THANK YOU. I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYONE KNOCK ON TOWARDS ME. I, SO WE'LL BE THERE TOMORROW. I'M NOT HOME. JUST KIDDING. , YOU HAVE A LOT OF MAKING UP TO, SHE DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN NEW YORK STATE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT WE WON'T GO TO YOUR BARBECUE IN THE BACKYARD. DON'T HAVE A BACKYARD . IT MAKES IT EASIER. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND STRAIGHTENING THESE THINGS OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, DON'T HESITATE, I MEAN, ON THIS EFFORT THAT WE'RE PUSHING, I MEAN, WE HAVE A HUNDRED LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, BY THE WAY, THAT HAVE SIGNED ON TO THE URGING THE GOVERNOR. MM-HMM. , UH, TO, UH, SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION. MM-HMM. , UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW THIS ULTIMATELY PLAYS OUT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL LITIGATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MM-HMM. . NEVERTHELESS, WE BELIEVE WE BUILT A BETTER MOUSE TRAP BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CARBON TAX AND WILL NOT BE, THE COSTS OF THE ASSESSMENT ON THE OIL COMPANIES WILL NOT BE PASSED ON TO THE PUBLIC. UH, WILL HAVE TO COME OUT OF THEIR TRILLION DOLLARS OF PROFITS. SO WE THINK WE'VE BUILT A BETTER MOUSETRAP. WE THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT. THAT'S WHY IT PASSED BOTH HOUSES WITH OVERWHELMING MAJORITIES. THAT'S WHY WE HOPE THE GOVERNOR PASS IT. AND SINCE YOU ARE ALL LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, FEEL FREE [00:25:01] TO LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SIGN ONTO THE LETTER WITH THE OTHER HUNDRED. OKAY. THAT IS MY QUESTION, . AND DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF OF THE ELECTEDS WHO HAVE SIGNED ON? YEAH, WE CAN GET IT. SEND THAT TO SEND, SEND US AN EMAIL. UM, YEAH, SURE. YOU CAN CONTACT US. I'M NOT SURE OF YOU DO TOWN BOARD TOWN GREENBERG COM. WE'LL GO TO, THAT WILL GO TO ALL OF US, INCLUDING THE SUPERVISOR. THANK YOU. I THINK I TALKED TO THE SUPERVISOR ABOUT THIS BECAUSE RIGHT. BUT IF YOU SEND IT TO TOWN BOARD AT GREENBERG, WE ALL GET IT, THEN WE ALL GET IT. OTHERWISE WE SEE YOU IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NICE TO MEET YOU. LIKE SLIDE BY . THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD LUCK WITH ALL YOUR WORK. APPRECIATE YOU. AND FEEL FREE TO, UH, ASK US TO COME BY AGAIN ANY OTHER TIME ON ANY OTHER TOPIC. SURE. THANK YOU. IF YOU'D LIKE, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. GARY, ARE WE READY FOR UP IN ONE MINUTE? IN ONE MINUTE. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW IF THE, UM, LATE MEETING WAS SENT TO THE CANDIDATES? IT WAS. OH, IT WAS? OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, SO I'LL GET THE OTHER GROUP. OKAY. I DIDN'T MAKE IT VISIBLE BECAUSE IT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED THE OTHER CANDIDATES, KNOW THE OTHER CANDIDATES EMAIL ADDRESSES. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. SO NEXT ON, ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE, UM, BETHEL KNOWLES, AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM DAVID COOPER AND FRIENDS AND COMPANY. HAVE A SEAT. YEAH. AND THEN JUST GRAB MY COMMISSIONER. YOU CAN PLAY SUPERVISOR . SO GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD TO SEE YOU. IF I COULD JUST ASK ALL THE MICROPHONES JUST TO COME CLOSER SO WE MAKE SURE EVERYONE LISTENING AT HOME CAN HEAR US. THANK YOU. THAT'S KIND OF FARTHER AWAY. SHE SAID BRING THEM CLOSER. . WELL, SO BRING CLOSER TO ME. I'M SORRY. I SHOULD MAKE ROOM FOR THE LAPTOP. I'M SCOOT FIRST THE, UH, PRESENTATION. DO YOU NOW HAVE THE LINK TO THE ZOOM OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GET THAT GOING WHILE YOU'RE, COULD YOU GET THAT, BRING IT UP HERE? YEAH, SURE. APPRECIATE THAT. PLEASE BE, UM, ADVANCED TO THE PANELIST. I'LL SHARE SCREEN. IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS? NO, IT'S THE SAME. UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AT HOME, WE CAN, YEAH. WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I SHOULD, SHOULD LOOK AT IT ON LINE. NO, THAT'S IT. YOU'VE GOT THE LATEST AND GREATEST, SO. OKAY. UM, WHILE WE'RE GETTING THAT UP, I'LL JUST SAY HELLO. DAVID COOPER, PARTNER WITH THE LAW FIRM STEIN. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY, UH, HERE REPRESENTING, UH, BELE HOMES INC. UM, THAT'S THE NONPROFIT OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE KNOWLES, UH, CCRC AT 55 GRASSLANDS ROAD. UM, WITH ME IS PETE BALDWIN FROM ONE POINT PARTNERS AND PETE, YOU'LL MEET PETE IN A SEC. UM, THEY ARE THE STRATEGIC CONSULTANTS FOR BETHEL, AND WE'LL GET THROUGH IT. WE'LL TELL YOU WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HERE WITH YOU AND WHY THEY HAVE A STRATEGIC STRATEGIC CONSULTANT IN A MINUTE. UH, AS WELL AS PATRICK MCDO, WHO IS THE, UH, PROJECT ARCHITECT. OKAY. UM, WE WERE, WE WERE BEFORE YOUR BOARD ABOUT A, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, BUT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO ON THIS PROJECT. BUT JUST TO, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. SO BETHEL'S IS A NONPROFIT, UH, CCRC, KIND OF A SPECIAL SUBSET OF SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES. NOT ONLY IN, IN, IN THE TOWN, BUT ALSO THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE. UM, THERE'S ONLY, I THINK, 12, UH, NONPROFIT CRCS THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE. DEFINE CRC PLEASE. UM, SO, UH, IS A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. RIGHT. CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT. AND SPECIFICALLY IT'S A ARTICLE, ARTICLE 46, LICENSE CRC, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S ONLY 12 IN THE STATE. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT DOES THAT, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THAT IS MEANING IT FALLS UNDER NEW YORK STATE LICENSURE FOR, UH, NURSING AND SKILLED CARE AND ASSISTED CARE. OKAY. SO THEY HAVE, I'M SORRY. I'LL GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO, SO A-C-C-R-C, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THAT IS, UH, A RESIDENT WILL ENTER THE COMMUNITY IN GOOD HEALTH AND VERY INDEPENDENT, AND THEY'LL MOVE TO EACH LEVELS OF CARE AS THEIR CARE IS NEEDED. MM-HMM. . SO THAT, THAT RESIDENT IS, IT'S KIND OF A, ALMOST LIKE A HEALTHCARE POLICY. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S WHY IT'S REGULATED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK UNDER THAT ARTICLE. AND IT'S REGULATED BY DFS, DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND SERVICES AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH BECAUSE IT'S NEW YORK LICENSE, BECAUSE IT'S SO UNIQUE AND IT'S OFFERS ALL OF US A CARE. AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF AN INSURANCE LIFE INSURANCE POLICY, SO TO SPEAK. MM-HMM. . UM, THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE GOVERNMENT, THOSE TWO AGENCIES. AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S HIGHLY REGULATED, HIGHLY, HIGHLY GOVERNED. SO IT'S PRETTY UNIQUE FOR THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO HAVE, IT ONLY HAS ONLY, YOU KNOW, 12 OF THEM IN THE WHOLE STATE. SO I, I'M JUST, I'M PLAYING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. IS IT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ASSET TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE CCRC IN YOUR COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. . UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY UNUSUAL IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF LIVING, LIVING ARRANGEMENTS. SO IT'S A CONTINUUM. SO YOU START WITH INDEPENDENT LIVING. MM-HMM. . AND THEN YOU GO TO ASSISTED LIVING AND THEN POTENTIALLY SKILLED CARE AND SKILLED CARE. MM-HMM. . UM, THE REASON THAT'S ASSUMING YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THAT. RIGHT. [00:30:01] WELL, SO THE WAY, UM, THE WAY THE, THE CONTRACTS ARE DONE FOR CCRC IS WHEN YOU ENTER THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE FEE TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN YOU PAY A MONTHLY SERVICES, WHICH IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT COVERS UTILITY AND OTHER, AND FOOD AND OTHER SERVICES. UM, MANY RESIDENTS, IF THEY EXHAUST THEIR PRIVATE RESOURCES, WILL GO TO, IT'D BE MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, FUNDED AND, AND, AND SO, UM, AND YOU ACCEPT THAT, RIGHT? SO UNLIKE SAY, A CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR LIKE, SORT OF A, FOR-PROFIT, WHERE POTENTIALLY RATES WILL, WILL, WILL CHANGE AS YOU, AS YOU GO THROUGH, THIS IS MORE OF, OF AN ENTRANCE FEE, RIGHT? YEAH. NOW, YOUR RATES ON YOUR SERVICES MAY, MAY CHANGE BECAUSE IF YOUR SERVICES GO UP, BUT THE ENTRANCE FEE ITSELF COVERS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EXPENSE AND THE ENTRANCE FEE, DEPENDING UPON, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONTRACTS, RIGHT. DEPENDING UPON HOW THE RESIDENT WANTS TO ENTER THE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. . BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE 80% REFUNDABLE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU, YOU PAY A LUMP IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU, AND YOU STAY, THAT YOU LIVE IN, THAT YOU GO THROUGH EACH LEVEL OF CARE, BUT A GOOD LION'S SHARE OF YOUR ENTRANCE FEES ACTUALLY, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY REIMBURSED OR, OR GIVEN BACK TO YOUR HEIRS OR YOUR FAMILY. UM, SO YOUR, THE MONTHLY FEES REALLY COVER YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, FOOD AND DAILY EXPENSES. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AN EXPANSION IS IMPORTANT. WE'LL GET TO THAT. YOU ACTUALLY, YOU, YOU, CAN I GO, SO YOU, YOU CALL ME EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA JUST BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. YEAH. I JUST NEED SOME CLARITY THAT, SO THE INTEREST FEE IS A HUGE, IS A, IS IT A ASTRONOMICAL COST? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU GET A REIMBURSEMENT ONCE THINGS. I, I THINK THE PART THAT MIGHT BE MISSING IS, OKAY, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, UH, ENTER THE COMMUNITY IS YOU'RE BUYING A LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE PRODUCT. YEAH. OKAY. AND IT'S THAT LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE PRODUCT THAT THEY USE TO PAY FOR YOUR CONTINUING CARE. MM-HMM. . SO YOU'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY REQUIRING A HIGH LEVEL OF CARE IN THE INDEPENDENT PART, BUT YOU'RE REQUIRING IT MORE IN ASSISTED AND OBVIOUSLY EVEN MORE IN THE LONG-TERM CARE. MM-HMM. . SO THE REAL ESTATE PORTION OF IT IS THE PIECE THAT PETE'S TALKING ABOUT RE BEING REFUNDED. YOU BUY, YOU ESSENTIALLY BUY INTO AN APARTMENT, OKAY? YOU SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT YOU'RE ALSO BUYING THIS INSURANCE PRODUCT. MM-HMM. THAT'S REALLY DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING IN TERMS OF MAKING THE, THE CARE AFFORDABLE OVER TIME. BUT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY WERE FUNDING TO YOU IS YOUR INITIAL ENTRY FEE FOR THE, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE REAL ESTATE PORTION OF THE, SO SORT OF LIKE A CO-OP WITH A HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN ATTACHED KIND OF KIND OF OKAY. QUESTION OR SOMETHING LIKE A CO-OP, BUT WITH THE HEALTH INSURANCE ASPECTS. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO PAGE SIX OF THE, OF THE REPORT, UM, OF THE, SORRY, OF OUR, UH, SLIDES PRESENTATION. YEAH. THE PRESENTATION. WHAT WE DID WAS WE LAID OUT, OOPS, SORRY. PAGE ONE, BACK ONE BACK. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FIRST PAGE? GO BACK FORWARD TWO. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU GO FORWARD TWO NUMBER SIX? THERE WE GO. OKAY. UM, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE, THE, UH, ENTRY FEES FOR VARIOUS OTHER CONTINUUMS IN, IN THE AREA. OH, NOT, THESE ARE NONPROFITS, RIGHT, PETE? YES. THAT'S GREAT. UH, NO, NOT AT ALL. AND I'M SORRY TO, UH, WELL, LET'S STASH INTRODUCE HIMSELF. , YOU WANNA GIVE HIM HIS, HE NEEDS THE MIC. YES. HI, I'M GOOD EVENING. I'M ANASTASIO MARKOPOULOS. I'M THE CEO OF BETHEL. NICE TO MEET YOU. MY PLEASURE. A LITTLE EARLIER. YEAH. I APOLOGIZE. I TOLD, I TOLD STASH SIX 30, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT'S OKAY. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN NOW, WHICH IS COMPARING, UH, BETHEL KNOWLES IS OH, COMPARING BETHEL KNOWLES AS ENTRANCE FEE COMPARED TO OTHER LOCAL, UH, CONTINUING CARE FACILITIES. SO YOU SEE THE K KNOWLES IS ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, FROM RANGING FROM 177 TO 7 53. BUT IN COMPARISON TO BROADVIEW PURCHASE COLLEGE, WHICH THEIR GOAL WAS TO BE AFFORDABLE, AND THEN OSBORNE AND KENDALL TO HUDSON, YOU CAN SEE WHERE EQUIVALENT LIFE CARE COMMUNITY, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THE FULL, UH, RANGE OF SERVICES WHERE BETHLE KNOWLES LANDS IN INTO THAT IN COMPARISON. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AND THE REASON WHY THIS IS ALL PART OF THE PRE PRESENTATION IS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 75 INDEPENDENT UNIT, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS TO THE EXISTING FACILITY. MM-HMM. . UM, AND I'LL LET PETE GO THROUGH FINANCIALLY WHY THAT THAT'S NECESSARY. THE EXISTING FACILITY, THE EXISTING FACILITY DOES NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL UNITS AT THIS POINT, OR IT DOES IT, IT DOES. UM, BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANNA TAKE THEM THROUGH, SIR, FROM THE FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH. WHY ADDING ADDITIONAL ILS? SO FIRST OFF, THERE IS INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS ON CAMPUS CURRENTLY. UM, AND I'LL, LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS OF THAT REAL QUICK. I KNOW WE'RE JUMPING AROUND MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THE REASON THAT, THAT AN EXPANSION IL IS IMPORTANT IS, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MARKET COMMUNITY NEED RIGHT NOW. UH, BETH KNOWLES IS AT HIGH CAPACITY OF, OF CENSUS IS, IS FULL. [00:35:01] UH, WE'VE DONE A MARKET ANALYSIS AND STUDY TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY C CRCS ARE IN THE AREA AND WHAT THE DENSITY IS. AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A NEED. UM, BETHEL ALSO PURCHASED THIS COMMUNITY AND TOOK A DISTRESS COMMUNITY TO, TO A POINT WHERE IT'S SUCCESSFUL. I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A BANKRUPT COMMUNITY BEFORE BETHEL CAME IN AND PURCHASED THE COMMUNITY. TIGHTENED, TIGHTENED THE BELT KEPT THINGS MOVING FORWARD. UH, AND, AND IT'S VERY TYPICAL OF A-C-C-R-C TO ADD IL UNITS BECAUSE THAT INFLUX OF CAPITAL OF THOSE ENTRANCE FEES COULD GO INTO RE YOU KNOW, REBUILDING THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS AMENITY SPACES. UM, AND ALSO THE, THE REASON YOU'D WANT MORE IL UNITS, 'CAUSE OF THE CO-OP STATEMENT THAT SOMEBODY MADE EARLIER. UH, IF YOU HAVE MORE IL UNITS, WHICH, UH, IT'LL STRENGTHEN THE, THE FINANCIAL IT COULD, IT WOULD BE A SHARED COST. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT INCREASED COST FOR HEALTH CARE AND FOOD AND EVERYTHING IS GONE UP. AND WE TRY TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF VERY INCREMENTAL CHANGE IN THOSE MONTHLY FEES. MM-HMM. BECAUSE AS A NONPROFIT, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY. SO IF THAT COST IS SHARED, THAT INCREASE IN ESCALATION OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE UP IN OUR, IN OUR WORLD AS WE DID LIVE DAY TO DAY, IF THAT'S SHARED AMONG MORE IL UNITS, THAT KEEPS THE COST DOWN, KEEPING IT TO A LOWER, YOU KNOW, COST AS WE'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE HERE. AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE 120 APARTMENTS, UM, 120 APARTMENTS, WHICH IS, IS NOT A VERY EFFICIENT NUMBER. UM, BY EIGHT OF THESE 70 OR SO APARTMENTS WOULD GET US TO 190 OR BECOME MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. LIKE, UM, PETE WAS SAYING WE COULD SPREAD OUR, WE SPREAD OUR COST OVER A LARGER, UM, FACILITY. AND THAT'S, IF YOU GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, HAVE YOUR ON MY SHIRT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US. WE WANT TO CONTINUE, UM, RUNNING THIS NOT-FOR-PROFIT FACILITY THERE. AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN GOING REALLY WELL, BUT WE JUST, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT, WE NEED SOME MORE APARTMENTS THAT BECOME MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND MUCH EASIER TO OPERATE. SO IF YOU, IF YOU, THE, THIS SLIDE HERE, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO DETAIL, BUT YOU SEE THE TABLE THERE WILL SHOW TO, TO STASHA'S POINT, THEY'RE KIND OF USUALLY LOW IN THE NUMBER OF IIL UNITS TO SUPPORT A COMMUNITY. UM, THIS IN THE COMPARES NOLES TO KENDALL HUDSON, THE OSBO BROAD BROADVIEW. AND RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IS GOT ABOUT FIVE IL UNITS PER ACRE. JUST TRYING TO USE HOW MUCH OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNITY FROM A SPACE STANDPOINT, HOW DENSE IS THE COMMUNITY FROM A NUMBER OF IIL UNITS? UH, NOEL'S CURRENTLY IS AT 5.1. IF WE EXECUTE, THE EXPANSION IS PLANNED. WE'D ABOUT EIGHT, 8.1 UNITS PER ACRE. IF YOU COULD COMPARE TO KENDALL AT HUDSON, THEY HAVE ALMOST 30 UNITS PER ACRE. UH, BRIGHTVIEW TARRYTOWN IS 21. CHELSEA GREENBERG'S 20 ATRI IS 20. MM-HMM. . SO IT, IT, THEY'RE VERY LOW ON THE IL COMPONENT, WHICH MAKES IT HARDER TO BE FINANCIALLY STRONG AND VIABLE LONG TERM, ESPECIALLY WITH RISING COSTS. DID YOU SAY THERE ARE ONLY 12 CCRC IN THE STATE? THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. AND WE HAVE SIX IN THIS AREA. SO, UH, ARTICLE, I MADE A CLARIFICATION. ARTICLE 46, OUR ARTICLE 46 CRCS, WHICH ARE GOVERNED BY DFS. UH, SO THOSE ARE LICENSED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK ON THIS LIST. THEY'RE NON ARTICLE FOUR SIX CCRC. SO THEY'RE FOR-PROFIT CCS IN THIS LIST. SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THERE ARE NO OTHER, YOU JUST SAID ACTUALLY THE ONLY CCRC IS ACTUAL CCRC IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS KENDALL, AND THEN ALL. OKAY. THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO ACTUAL CRCS. THE REST OF THEM, UM, THERE'S ONE, UM, HOPEFULLY GONNA BE BUILT IN, IN RIVERDALE. AND THERE'S THREE IN LONG ISLAND AND THERE'S THE REST OF 'EM ARE UPSTATE. MM-HMM. . ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT TABLE TOO, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. LIKE BRIGHTVIEW TARRYTOWN, AND IT'S NOT A CC RRC, CCC C AS AS, THEY DON'T HAVE AN, UM, A CONTINUING CARE FOR SKILLED NURSING OR MEMORY CARE. NONE OF THOSE ASPECTS MM-HMM. . RIGHT. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE REALLY, NONE OF THEM ARE ACTUAL CCRC. RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN THE, THE PURPOSE IS REALLY TO SHOW SORT OF WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENT REALLY IS TO, TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS IN GENERAL IN THE MARKET. MM-HMM. . AND THEN YOU ADD ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS A NONPROFIT AND, UM, KIND OF BEEN TAKEN OUT OF BANKRUPTCY AND IS NOW STABILIZED AND TRYING TO, TO KINDA GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU. OKAY. THE NEXT SIMPLER QUESTION YES. IS THAT FOR US AS WELL AS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, YOU HAVE, WE, WE NOW KNOW WHAT IL MEANS. HOW ABOUT A-L-M-C-S-N-F? YEAH. SO IL IS INDEPENDENT LIVING. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? AL IS ASSISTED LIVING. MM-HMM. MC IS MEMORY CARE. MM-HMM. SO ALZHEIMER'S AND THEN SSNF IS SKILLED NURSING. OKAY. SO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CARE. SURE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, I GUESS FROM, FROM A, FROM WHY, WHY ARE WE, BEFORE YOU 'CAUSE IT, UH, RIGHT, WHY ARE WE ALL HERE ASKING YOU? SO ULTIMATELY, IF, IF YOU GO TO, TO THE SITE PLAN, I THINK THAT THAT'LL BE THE EASIEST, UH, OR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE. UM, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE, THE SITE ITSELF IS, IS A SPLIT ZONE SITE BETWEEN THE R 20 AND THE R 40. UM, AND IT, THE, THE, IT'S IN, IT'S ON YOUR ZONING MAP. IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PRD ALONG WITH THE, THE GROVE AT VALHALLA OR THE ENTIRE, [00:40:01] UM, COMMUNITY OR ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS, WAS SORT OF DEVELOPED ORIGINALLY AS A PRD, BUT THEN PUD, SO PUD. OKAY. PUD. THANKS. I WAS WONDERING PR PRD IS TOMORROW NIGHT IN ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, , EXCUSE ME, PUD UM, HOLD ON A SECOND. PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU, . SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS REZONE THE ENTIRE SITE TO THE R 30. UM, AND UNDER THE EXISTING, UM, SPECIAL PERMIT REGULATIONS THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW FOR THE ADDITIONAL BUMP OF, OF IL UNITS UP TO THE, UP TO ABOUT 70, 75 WHEN WE'RE PROPOSING. AND WE'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN ITSELF IN A SECOND. UM, BUT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING. SO WE WOULD BE BEFORE YOUR BOARD PETITIONING FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. UM, ALSO, UH, THE SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD COME BEFORE YOUR BOARD BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER, UM, YOUR CODE FOR THESE TYPES OF, OF USES FOR SPECIAL PERMIT. UM, SO IT WOULD BE SPECIAL PERMIT AND SITE PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS A SITE THAT'S OVER FIVE, FIVE ACRES. SO, UM, MOST OF THE, THE APPROVAL WOULD BE BEFORE, BEFORE YOUR BOARD. UM, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'D BE PROBABLY STEEP SLOPE PERMIT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. UM, AND I'LL LET PATRICK GO THROUGH IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME NONCONFORMITIES THAT ARE STILL GONNA BE ON THE SITE WITH RESPECT TO SOME SETBACKS AND SOME HEIGHT AND, AND UNIT SIZE THAT WE ANTICIPATE GOING TO, TO THE ZONING BOARD ONCE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE. IF IT GETS, IF IT IS IN PLACE FOR, UM, FOR THE RELIEF NEEDED. BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, REALLY TO, TO GAUGE YOUR INTEREST AND, AND UNDERSTANDING. 'CAUSE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BETHEL REALLY PUTS PEN TO PAPER AND, AND, AND, AND STARTS THE PROCESS. THEY JUST WANNA HAVE OF A, A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN BOARD IS, IS AMENABLE TO, TO ENTERTAINING THE APPLICATION. WE KNOW NO COMMITMENTS, NO. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE, NOTHING'S BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST GET, GET AN INITIAL SENSE FROM YOU. SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH, WITH YOU GUYS, TURN OVER TO PATRICK JUST TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE, THE PROPOSED, UH, ADDITION AND, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. GREAT. THANKS EVERYBODY. UM, SO WHAT THIS SITE PLAN IS SHOWING YOU IS ESSENTIALLY THE, IN THE, THE GRAY AREA ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THAT PLAN IS THE EXISTING BETHEL KNOLL FACILITY. AND THEN THE, THIS, THE SITE THAT, THAT THAT BETHEL OCCUPIES HAS THIS SORT OF LONG FINGER THAT STICKS OUT TO THE LEFT THERE THAT IF YOU SAW THE TOPOGRAPHY OF IT'S MOSTLY UNBUILDABLE LAND, IT'S INCREDIBLY STEEP, IT'S DEEPLY FORESTED. UM, IT WOULD BE, IT'S BASICALLY UNUSABLE LAND FOR THEIR PURPOSES. SO THE ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY HAVE TO ADD ONTO THE, THE COMMUNITY IS TO BUILD TOWARDS GRASSLANDS ROAD. SO WE CAN KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT ONE. UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE, WE TRIED TO, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PRESENTATION. SO WE TRIED TO SHOW YOU THIS IN CONCEPTUAL FORMAT, THE EXISTING COMMUNITY, UM, YOU ENTER THE, THE COMMUNITY FROM GRASSLANDS ROAD, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A 60 FOOT INCREASE IN HEIGHT FROM GRASSLANDS ROAD UP TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE CURRENT KNOLLS. SO ALL OF THAT IS WHERE OUR PROJECT IS PROPOSING TO GO IN THAT 60 FOOT CLIMB UP THE HILL. SO IT CREATES SOME REAL CHALLENGES 'CAUSE WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELDERLY FOLKS HERE WHO HAVE MOBILITY CHALLENGES. SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU KEEP THEIR, THEIR TRAVEL DISTANCE AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE. YOU MAKE IT SO THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL IN THE FEWEST NUMBER OF ELEVATORS POSSIBLE. ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, UH, FOR HELPING THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF BETHEL KNOLLS. SO WHAT THIS IS TRYING, WHAT THIS PLAN IS TRYING TO SHOW YOU IN PART ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, INSIDE THAT BOX, THERE'S A CONCEPTUAL SECTION THAT'S SORT OF ORGANIZED IN COLORS. THERE'S A DARK GRAY COLOR, A LIGHT GRAY COLOR, A GREEN COLOR, AND A PURPLE COLOR. SO THE TWO GRAY COLORS ARE THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING COMMUNITY AS IT EXISTS TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY BUILT ON FOUR DIFFERENT LEVELS. THERE'S A GARAGE LEVEL, THERE'S A LOWER LEVEL, A MAIN LEVEL, AND AN UPPER LEVEL. MM-HMM. . BUT THE, THE BUILDING STEPS DOWN THE HILL BECAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S HEADING DOWN TOWARDS GRASSLAND ROAD. MM-HMM. , WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ADD ON TO THE LOWER PORTION OF THAT EXISTING COMMUNITY WITHIN SORT OF TWO AREAS. WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS, BE AS, UH, ACCOMMODATING TO YOUR ZONING BYLAW AS POSSIBLE WHILE JUST REFLECTING THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF APARTMENTS IN HERE TO, TO MAINTAIN FINANCIAL VIABILITY. MM-HMM. . SO THE LIGHT GREEN PART AS WELL AS ADAPT TO THE SITE, THE CONTOUR, AND TO ADAPT TO THE SITE SITE. SO THAT LIGHTER GREEN PART ON THE PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY A, IT'LL HAVE FOUR LEVELS. THERE'S A PARKING LEVEL AND THEN THREE BUILT LEVELS ABOVE THAT PARTLY EXPOSED. SO THAT EXCEEDS THE, THE NUMBER OF STORIES THAT'S ALLOWED ON YOUR DARLING BYLAW IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONE. AND THEN BY VIRTUE OF THAT, WILL ALSO EXCEED THE HEIGHT, NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT BY A GREAT DEAL LESS THAN FIVE FEET, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL STORY THERE. BUT THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO CONNECT TO THAT EXISTING COMMUNITY IN AS MANY LEVELS AS POSSIBLE SO RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN AN ELEVATOR AND THEN BACK UP IN AN ELEVATOR. 'CAUSE THE [00:45:01] COMMONS ARE ALL ON WHAT'S, WHAT I CALL THE MAIN LEVEL, THAT 60 FOOT ENTRY LEVEL FROM GRASSLANDS ROAD AND THAT DARK BLUE LEVEL STEPS DOWN THE HILL AND IS, IS TRULY COMPLIANT WITH YOUR ZONING BYLAW IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, NUMBER OF STORIES. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO WHAT PEOPLE SEE FROM GRASSLANDS ROAD APPEARS TO BE SORT OF AS LOW SCALE AS POSSIBLE AND IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF YOUR ZONING BYLAW. SO THAT'S THE HEIGHT AND STORY CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. SO THIS AND THE GREEN, THE GREEN, SORRY, SORRY. THE GREEN SECTION IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING, SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, HIGHER THAN THE HEIGHTS RIDGE POINT. DID YOU READ MY MIND ? THAT'S MY QUESTION. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. I DIDN'T, I JUST WANTED, THAT'S MY QUESTION. THAT'S GREAT. YOU ANSWERED IT BEFORE. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THE IDEA IS THAT IT WON'T, THERE'S NO STORY ON OUR NEW PROJECT THAT'S HIGHER THAN ANY OF THE EXISTING STORIES. AND ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE ROOF PITCHES OR THE PEAKS BE BASICALLY THE SAME. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS YOU CAN SEE THE SITE SORT OF NARROWS TOWARDS GRASSLAND ROAD. THERE'S AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT CREATES A SORT OF A BIG RECESS IN THEIR PROPERTY. SO THERE'S A SERIES OF CONCENTRIC LINES ON THAT PLAN. THE INNER ONE IS THE MOST OBVIOUS, THE RED ONE, THAT'S THE 75 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S IN THE ZONING BYLAW. AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING COMMUNITY WOULDN'T MEET THAT ZONE DEBT REQUIREMENT. SO, UH, IT BECOMES A REAL CHALLENGE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, GIVEN THE WAY THAT THE, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE WORKS. SO THE NEXT ONE OUT FROM THAT IS SORT OF A BLUISH LINE, A LIGHT BLUE LINE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, CURRENT SETBACK THAT THE ORIGINAL WAS, WAS, UH, APPROVED WITH. AND THEN THERE'S A DARKER BLUE LINE THAT'S 25 FOOT SETBACK. AND THEN THE BLACK LINE THAT SORT OF GOES AROUND THE WHOLE THING IS THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE. SO THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS IT'S BASICALLY INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO GET THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS WE WANT IN THE HEIGHT THAT, THAT AS CLOSE TO THE ZONING LINE AS APOL IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SITE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO WE HAVE SOME NONCONFORMITIES AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE SETBACKS. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE NOT ANY CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IS. UM, WE'RE NOT ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STORIES ABOVE ANY OF THE EXISTING STORIES IN THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO SQUEEZE THAT ALL IN THERE AND STILL GET THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY. AND IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A RESULT TOO OF THAT LONG. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY NOT HALF THE, THE COMMUNITY PROPERTY, BUT APPROXIMATELY HALF THE COMMUNITY IS UNBIDDABLE 'CAUSE OF THE SLOPES THERE AS WELL. THAT FUNNY LITTLE FINGER THAT STICKS OFF IS NOT USABLE, BUT YOU ARE INCREASING THE DENSITY QUITE A BIT. WE ARE. SO WHAT'S THAT? I THINK THAT'S THEIR POINT. I UNDERSTAND , WE, WE ALSO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS THAT WE KNOW WE, WE FROWNED UPON INCREASING IN DENSITY. THERE MAY BE BECAUSE OF THIS KIND OF FACILITY, UM, THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, TO MITIGATE THAT. BUT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY FOR ME, I NEED MORE TIME TO ABSORB IT THAN SAYING, HEY, THIS IS GREAT. GO AHEAD, . WHAT ARE THE THICK, I'M SORRY. IT SOUNDS LIKE A SILLY QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE, THE THICK GRAY LINES OR IS THAT THE ROADWAY? UH, THE ONES THAT GO AROUND. SO THE, THE, THE UH, THICK GRAY LINE THAT CIRCLES THE NEW ADDITION IS TRYING TO REPRESENT AT LEAST ON A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, UH, ROADWAY, THE NEW ROAD. OKAY. WE'RE ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG ASSUMPTION. WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY DONE A FULL SITE DESIGN AS OF YET. UH, BUT WE'RE JUST CONCEPTUALLY LAYING OUT HOW, HOW WOULD WE GET CIRCULATION AROUND, UH, THROUGH THE CAMPUS, GIVEN THAT IT IS, OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT STEEP SLOPES. UM, YOU ARE BUILDING ON PROPERTY THAT IS COMPRISED OF TWO SLOPES, BUT FOR THOSE IN WHO ARE IN INDEPENDENT LIBERTY, INDEPENDENT LIVING HAVE THE LIBERTY OF MOVEMENT FOR THE MOST PART OFTEN AND THEREFORE WOULD AVAIL THEMSELVES OF TRAILS OR PUBLIC SPACES. SO NOW YOU'RE TAKING SOME OF THAT PROPERTY AWAY. ARE YOU WITHIN, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S OPEN SPACE AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR CREATING, UM, A CLIMATE OF LIVABLE, UM, AND ENJOYABLE LIVING? DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE, THE PLANNED AMENITIES OR THE INCREASE IN AMENITIES THAT, THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW NOT, IT'S NOT JUST UNITS, BUT ALSO I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SITE IN GENERAL. SO RIGHT NOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON ADDITION, THERE'S THE EXISTING ROAD THAT COMES AROUND THAT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND AT THAT POINT THERE IS A STEEP DROP OFF AND THERE'S AN ADULT, I THINK IT'S ADULT DAYCARE. OH, DAYCARE, CORRECT. THAT'S DOWN THE HILL FROM THAT. AND SO THAT'S, THE HILL IS SO STEEP CURRENTLY THAT RESIDENTS CAN'T ESSENTIALLY TRAVERSE IT. MM-HMM. . SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S A, UH, WALKING TRAILS, IT'S REALLY BUILT AROUND THE THEUM OF THE [00:50:01] EXISTING COMMUNITY. SO I THINK WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE WOULD JUST ESSENTIALLY EXTEND THAT. WE WOULD MAKE THAT WHAT IS NOW AN UN SORT OF TRAVERSABLE HILL BY RESIDENTS OF THIS, OF THIS SORT OF AGE. IT, FOR US TO WALK DOWN A HUNDRED PERCENT WOULD MAKE THAT ROADWAY MORE, UH, SUITABLE FOR THEM TO TAKE, TAKE WALKS TO DO THE SAME THING. THE WALK WOULD BECOME LONGER IF THEY CHOSE TO, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD ALSO HAVE ENTRANCES INTO THE BUILDING THAT IF THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T, COULDN'T MAKE IT ANY FARTHER THAN THE OLD PATH, WOULD MAKE THAT POSSIBLE AS WELL. I THINK STASH WOULD CONFIRM THAT THE PERIMETER ROAD THEY HAVE EXISTING, YOU SEE IN THE PLAN NOW HAS A SIDEWALK THAT FOLLOWS IT. AND THAT'S WHAT RESIDENTS OFTEN WALK. 'CAUSE THAT GRADE IS MANAGEABLE. WE, WE WOULD TRY TO REPLICATE THIS AND THAT PLAN AND THAT, THAT, THAT GRADE LINE IS US TAKING A STAB AT THAT. IT'S NOT FULLY VETTED. VERY, VERY RARELY WOULD THEY WALK DOWN THE HILL DOWN BY THAT BUILDING 'CAUSE GET GETTING BACK UP AGAIN. THIS IS TRUE, EVEN FOR US, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS TO ADD IF WE DO THIS PROJECT, LIKE A PICKLEBALL COURT AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADD IN SOME OF THOSE OTHER OUTDOOR IN SITTING AREAS, GARDEN AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO IN LEADING INTO THAT, UM, IN THE VERY CENTER AREA, I WISH I'D LIKE TO GET UP AND POINT AND THINGS. I SEEN THAT, UH, IN THAT CENTER AREA THERE'S AN EXISTING COURTYARD. SO, SO IF YOU CAN PICTURE THATK BY THE LIGHT GRAVE DARK. SO IN THAT COURTYARD, PATRICK CIRCLING, THAT IS ACTUALLY A, A CURRENT COURTYARD. AND BELOW THAT THERE'S UNDERGROUND PARKING. BUT ON THE EXISTING COMMUNITY CENTER WE'RE PUTTING SOME ADDITIONS FOR DINING AT THAT LEVEL. GARRETT, SO WE'RE WITH THE CURSOR POINTS. SO THE PEOPLE AT HOME, SORRY FOR THAT POINTING OUT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO, UM, UM, GARRETT, IF YOU GO DOWN THE PAGE A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A, I'LL LET PATRICK BE VAN OFF FOR A MINUTE HERE. . SO THAT'S THE COURTYARD. PATRICK, CAN YOU CIRCLE THE ADDITION? SO RIGHT THERE, THERE'S ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, ADDITION THERE TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL DINING SPACE THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO GO OUT AND GRADE TO THAT GARDEN AREA. SO THE ENTRANCE FEES WE'RE GAINING FROM THE IL WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE THE CAPITAL TO REINVEST IN THE AMENITIES. ONE OF THE AMENITIES SPACES AT DINING, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING, UH, AN AUDITORIUM. 'CAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THERE ISN'T A, A GATHERING SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GATHER AS A WHOLE, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY. SO THAT WOULD BE A, A GREAT ASSET. WE, WE HAVE A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY, WE HAVE ONE ROOM AND THAT SAY IT HOLDS ABOUT 75, 80 PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 160 RESIDENTS. MM-HMM. SO TO GET COMM THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, THAT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. AND THEY WANT, AND THEY WANNA BE TOGETHER. THEY, THEY ENJOY BEING TOGETHER. THAT'S WHY THEY LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO SOCIALIZE AND INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER. THAT'S THE MAIN, THAT'S THE POINT REASON FOR LIVING AT THE NOLLS. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CAPITAL RAISE FROM THIS IL EXPANSION, WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE WELLNESS AND FITNESS AREAS OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS. UH, THERE IS A POOL THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. IT'S IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AND IT'S MASSIVE AND IT'S BIG . SO THAT'S AN MANY THEY ALREADY HAVE. BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS LACKING AN ALTERNATE DINING AREA, UH, WELLNESS AND FITNESS AREA, AND A GATHERING PLACE, UH, AN AUDITORIUM THAT CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY MEET NO MATTER WITHOUT THE EXPANSION, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE IS SOCIALIZATION. YEAH. ACTIVITIES, PHYSICAL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL ACTIVITY, ACTIVITIES AND OBVIOUSLY FOOD. THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE, AND HEALTH AND RETINAL. HEALTH AND WELLNESS. I WOULD, OUR GYM IS PROBABLY, YEAH, THE SIZE OF THIS AREA BACK HERE, BENCH IN THE BACK AREA. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WAY TOO SMALL. MM-HMM. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY WANT AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE IN THIS KIND OF FACILITY. ONE THING I'LL JUST NOTE QUICKLY IS THAT THE FIRM THAT I WORK FOR, THIS IS THE WORK THAT WE DO AND HAVE DONE THIS, I'VE DONE THIS PERSONALLY MORE THAN 25 YEARS. THESE SORTS OF COMMUNITIES HAVE A LIFE CYCLE. SO YOU, WHEN THEY'RE INITIALLY BUILT, PARTICULARLY THE NOT-FOR-PROFITS, SO DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO AN ELABORATE WELLNESS AREA. SO THEY HAVE A ROOM THAT'S LIKE AN OFFICE THAT HAS SOME TREADMILLS IN IT. RIGHT. AND OVER AS THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY, THEY AGE IN PLACE. RESIDENTS HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD GET WHEN THEY MOVE IN THERE. MM-HMM. . BUT ALSO WE ALL SORT OF HAVE LEARNED THINGS IN 25 YEARS OR WHATEVER THIS WAS, THIS PROJECT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE NINETIES MM-HMM. . UM, SO EVERYTHING, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED ABOUT WELLNESS. SO PART OF THE LIFECYCLE OF THESE COMMUNITIES, YOU ADD APARTMENTS IN ORDER TO GET THE REVENUE TO DO ALL THE NEW AMENITIES. SO YOU CAN SORT OF, UH, KEEP YOUR RESIDENTS HAPPY ULTIMATELY. YEAH. INCLUDING THE DIFFERENT VENUES, INCLUDING THE DIFFERENT FOOD VENUES. MM-HMM. BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS DIFFERENT TYPES OF, EXCUSE ME, DO YOU HAVE A WAIT LIST? UM, CERTAIN TYPE OF APARTMENTS. WE HAVE ABOUT 27 PEOPLE ON THE WAIT LIST FOR THE LARGER APARTMENTS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THE SMALLER ONES, WE HAVE FIVE AVAILABLE. WHAT SIZE ARE THE APARTMENTS? THEY RANGE FROM ABOUT 700 SQUARE FEET. UM, WHICH IS THE SMALLEST, IT'S CALLED OUR BAYBERRY. AND THEN THEY GO UP TO ABOUT 1500. WHAT ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, BEAUTIFUL. TWO BEDROOM WITH A DEN AND A DECK. IT'S ACTUALLY VERY, VERY NICE. THE 15, THE, THE THE 15 SQUARE HUNDRED. SO THE, THE 700 SQUARE FOOT IS THE ONE BEDROOM OR IS A ONE BEDROOM? CORRECT. DOES THAT COME WITH A KITCHEN AND ALL THAT? YEAH, IT'S GOT A FULL KITCHEN. UM, YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH COOK LIKE YOU COOK IN YOUR HOUSE. UM, IT HAS A [00:55:01] FULL SIZE, UM, SHOWER, UM, BATHROOM. WE HAVE WASHER AND DRYER THREE. IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY NICE APARTMENT. AND, AND TO WHAT PATRICK SAID, OUR, FOR THE, FOR ONE POINT DEVELOPMENT, WE ONLY DO DEVELOPMENT FOR NON-PROFIT CRCS ACROSS THE NORTHEAST IN THE COUNTRY. SO THESE KIND OF RE REPOSITIONING PROJECTS 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE KIND OF CATEGORIZED. THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'RE HAPPENING ON MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES. UH, I'VE, WE HAVE PROJECTS CURRENTLY IN, IN WESTERN NEW YORK, CONNECTICUT, MASSACHUSETTS, MAINE, UH, THEY'RE ALL GOING THROUGH THIS EXACT KIND OF RECONFIGURATION EXPANSION. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . UM, SO WHAT PATRICK, I'M JUST ECHOING WHAT PATRICK SAID. THIS IS, UH, NOT UNUSUAL AT ALL FOR THE COMMUNITIES TO BE IN THIS POSITION. MM-HMM. HOPEFUL TO BE IN THIS POSITION TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN EXPANSION RECONFIGURATION TO, TO, IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE, THE QUALITY OF AMENITY SPACE. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE CURRENT CAMPUSES ARE, ARE COMING AGAINST WHERE, AND IT'S STASHED, TOUCHED UPON IT SLIGHTLY, WHERE THEY HAVE AN INVENTORY OF SMALLER UNITS. MM-HMM. . UM, THOSE ARE HARDER TO SELL, HARDER, LESS IN DEMAND FOR, FOR RESIDENTS. SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE YET THE ALMOST RIGHT SIZE YOUR, UM, INVENTORY. MM-HMM. . SO SOME OF THIS INVENTORY WILL BE RIGHT SIZING IT TO MORE WHAT THE CURRENT TASTE IS AND WHAT THE DEMAND IS. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, UH, BUT STILL HAVING A MIX WHERE WE HAVE SMALL UNITS AVAILABLE THAT WOULD FIT ANYBODY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT MOVING THROUGH. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT. AND THEN REALLY OUR ADVANTAGE HERE IS THAT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE AFFORDABLE. LIKE YOU WERE SHOWING THE NUMBERS EARLIER. YEAH. UM, WE, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME TO COME TO THE KNOWS 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A GREAT, IT'S THE SAME PRODUCT. WE PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES JUST AT A MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE, UM, PRICE THAN, THAN SOME OF OUR COMPETITORS IN THE AREA. MM-HMM. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO KEEP THAT GOING, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO, TO, UM, ADD THE SERVICES, UM, WHICH THESE AMENITIES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US. MM-HMM. AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PARTYING FROM WHAT'S WHAT BEHAN OS IS GOOD AT DOING AND, AND CLASSY AND HOPEFULLY THIS DOESN'T, UM, SOUND, UH, CRITICAL, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE K KNOWLES IS IS GOOD, GOOD AT, IS KEEPING AN AFFORDABLE, UH, CONTINUING CARE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. , THE K KNOWLES IS NOT PIPER SHORES IN MAINE, A DIFFERENT CLIENT OF OURS THAT HAS A CAMPUS RIGHT ON THE OCEAN. AND THAT'S MUCH MORE OF AN, OF A HIGHER MARKET AND IT HAS A DIFFERENT CLIENTELE. THIS, THIS ISN'T WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO STAY IN THE UNITS THAT ARE, THAT THE SAME KIND OF FORMAT, THE SAME KIND OF LEVEL OF FINISH MM-HMM. , BUT TAKE THAT LARGER INVENTORY AND GET, GAIN SOME OF THOSE BETTER AMENITIES THAT WILL IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT ARE A HIGHER ENTRANCE FEE. I, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MANY OF US FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S THERE, WHICH LOOKS VERY NICE. UM, BUT THE BEST WAY TO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE A SITE VISIT. THAT'D BE WELCOME FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. MM-HMM. YEAH, DEFINITELY. IF THE BOARD WANTS TO, WE'RE HAPPY TO SET IT UP. COORDIN WITH GARRETT. DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PERHAPS KICK OFF A WORK SESSION, UM, MEET, SAY LIKE 5:00 PM AND THEN COME BACK HERE FOR A TUESDAY SO THAT YOU'RE ALL PLANNING TO BE ON A TUESDAY? OR DO WOULD LIKE WE CAN'T DO 5:00 PM OKAY. FIVE 30. IT WOULD HAVE TO START AT FIVE 30. OKAY. WELL IT'LL BE LATE NO MATTER TIME FOR A WHILE. SO WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO ON A TUESDAY. SO WE WILL COORDINATE THAT. UM, IF WE COULD, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE PRESENTATION. YEP. I DO WANNA TRANSITION TO SOME, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING AND PROCESS QUESTIONS. MM-HMM. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT OF WHEN THEY BROUGHT THIS CONCEPT TO THE TABLE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED, AND WE DID FLESH A LOT OF THIS OUT WITH THE APPLICANT IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INVOLVED, UM, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO, UM, FIRST QUESTION I REALLY HAD WAS THE SITE IS ZONE PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD. UH, WHY NOT JUST KEEP THE PUD? WHY CHANGE TO A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT? THE REALITY IS, IS THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROVIDES LITTLE TO NO DIRECTION OR PARAMETERS WITH RESPECT TO A-C-C-R-C. UM, PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT INDEED ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL TYPES OF ALL TYPES, I SHOULD SAY. UM, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO CRITERIA THAT LAYOUT, OKAY, WHAT'S THE PROPER DENSITY, WHAT'S THE PROPER HEIGHT FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF USE? SO THEREFORE, I DO THINK IT'S LOGICAL TO REZONE TO ONE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, WELL WHY THE R 30? HISTORICALLY, AS THEY MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SITE WAS COMPRISED OF R 20, WHICH IS HALF ACRE ZONING AND A COMBINATION OF R 40, WHICH IS ONE ACRE ZONING. THEY REALLY SPLIT THAT DOWN THE MIDDLE AND ARE PROPOSING AN R 30 DISTRICT FOR THE WHOLE SITE. UM, PART OF THAT MEETS THEIR DENSITY, UH, GOALS FOR THE SITE. BUT I DO THINK IT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE, RIGHT? THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ALL R 20, WHICH I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE AGGRESSIVE AND MAYBE LESS IN THE SPIRIT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH TALKS ABOUT NOT INCREASING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, FROM A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE. SO ON SOME LEVEL, BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT EQUAL SIZE. RIGHT? THE R 20 AND THE R 40, UH, THE THERE, [01:00:01] SO THE R 40 IS, AND SORRY, MY ISIGHT, IT'S NOT WHAT USED TO BE 14.9 ACRES OF THE SITE IS R 40, 14.6 IS R 20. SO PRETTY CLOSE REALLY SPLITTING. SO AT LEAST, AT LEAST NUMERICALLY I THINK WE'RE IN THE SPIRIT OF, OF, OF, OF THE COMP PLAN. UM, SO WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT APPROACH. I WILL SAY THE GROVE AT VALHALLA, I DO WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT THEM, OF THE TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF AN R 30, THEIR SKILLED NURSING OR A NURSING HOME. EVERYTHING I INDICATED ABOUT THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT BEING SILENT WITH CCRC, DITTO THAT FOR, UH, N SKILLED NURSING, NURSING HOMES. SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S LOGICAL FOR THEM TO POTENTIALLY EITHER JOIN THIS PETITION OR THE TOWN TO WORK WITH THEM TO, UM, PROPOSE THIS ESSENTIALLY, UM, TO, TO HAVE THE WHOLE, UM, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF SENIOR HOUSING, THE WHOLE CAMPUS, UH, TO BE THIS CONSISTENT R 30. UM, SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION I DO WANT TO HAVE. I HAVEN'T HAD THAT YET. SO I WILL, UM, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION UNLESS THE TOWN BOARD OBJECTED. UM, NOW THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, OKAY, SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU THINK THE R THIRTY'S LOGICAL, WE DID BROACH THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES THEY NEED, WHICH AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT, VARIANCE AND STORIES AND ACTUAL PHYSICAL ELEVATION, SOME SETBACK VARIANCES. I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT UNIT SIZE, BUT THE CCR PARAMETERS IN THE, OUR DISTRICTS, UH, DO CAP, UM, MAX, UH, UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THEY'RE INDICATING THAT THE MARKET CALLS FOR A HIGHER SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WHAT'S OUR CAP A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND SQUARE, SQUARE FEET. UM, SO WE DID BROACH THE QUESTION OF, WELL, SHOULD THEY SEEK TO AMEND THE, OUR DISTRICT TO SORT OF CUSTOMIZE THE, OUR DISTRICT TO REALLY FIT THEIR GOALS? UM, AND WE DID, WE DID THINK ABOUT THAT SERIOUSLY. BUT HOWEVER, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UM, THEY'RE ONE OF 12 IN THE STATE. IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITE. UM, I'M NOT GONNA SUGGEST THAT GOING THAT ROUTE WOULD BE SPOT ZONING. I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT MUCH MORE. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THE SITE IS UNIQUE AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE APPROACHED, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY AS, AS THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, THEY HAVE COMPACT DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE LOOKING TO TUCK THE PARKING. I DO THINK THEY'RE PUTTING FORTH A RESPECTFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THINKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE A BIT AWAY. UM, THEREFORE, I, I, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAKE ANY TWEAKS OR PROPOSE ANY TWEAKS TO THE, OUR DISTRICTS TO ELIMINATE THEIR NEED FOR VARIANCES. I THINK THEY HAVE COMPELLING CASE FOR THESE VARIANCES. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THAT CASE TO THE TOWN BOARD. THERE'S GONNA BE A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND ULTIMATELY MAKE THAT CASE TO THE ZONING BOARD. AND THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT BEING RESPECTFUL OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. SO I THINK THAT THAT PROCESS REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO A FAIR ONE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS A BIT OF A RISK. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ZONING BOARD OR PLANNING BOARD OR EVEN THE TOWN BOARD FOR THAT MATTER IS GONNA DO HERE. BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE APPROACHING THIS FROM A LOGICAL SITE DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. AND PROCESS WISE, I DO THINK ALL THESE BOARDS, IT'S REASONABLE FOR THEM TO BE INVOLVED AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY GO FORWARD, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THEM AND THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, I ALSO THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY CONNECTION TO BUS STOP. IS THE BUS STOP OPTIMALLY LOCATED, MAYBE THERE CAN BE A STRATEGIC SMALL SPAN OF SIDEWALK TO CONNECT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO THAT SIDEWALK, WHETHER IT'S FOR, UM, WORKERS OR, UM, EVEN PATRONS, INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING PATRONS. UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT. THEY, A LOT OF THE WORKERS, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ABSOLUTELY. EVEN SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD TAKE THE BUS. SO IT'S A MAJOR OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. AND WE, WE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S FREE DURING THE SUMMER. SO , UM, ALSO IN TERMS OF THE NON DEVELOPABLE PORTION OF THE, THE SITE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THERE THAT REALLY SETS IN PERPETUITY AN OPEN GREEN SPACE. SO, UM, ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU REALLY HAVE NO ASPIRATIONS TO EVER DEVELOP THERE, WHY NOT SOLIDIFY IT ON PAPER THROUGH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT? SO I, I WAS GONNA RAISE THAT BECAUSE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, THAT'S NOT DEVELOPABLE THE NEXT DAY, ABOUT THREE YEARS LATER, IT'S AMAZING HOW WELL, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO USE THAT SPOT. IF YOU WANNA SEE LAND THAT'S NOT DEVELOPABLE, JUST LOOK AT THE HOUSES FALLING FULL, YOU KNOW, SITTING ON TOP OF ROCK. YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO DOWN NINE A ONE 19, THERE'S ALWAYS ANOTHER PHASE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO PLACE, THERE'S NO PLACE YOU CAN'T BUILD IF YOU HAVE THE, SOME OTHER NOTES. I THINK THAT THAT REALLY, UM, OH, I ALSO THINK THE LAST THING I WANT TO CONCLUDE WITH IS, UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE PROCESS WISE, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOUR TEAM TO MEET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND, AND MAKE A SIMILAR PRESENTATION. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IF THE TOWN BOARD'S RECEPTIVE TO ZONE CHANGE AND THE SITE PLAN CONCEPT, THERE WOULD BE A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD. SO I FEEL LIKE WHY NOT MAKE THE SAME PRESENTATION, EXPLAIN THE SAME APPROACH SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE PREPARED FOR THAT. AND, UM, PLANNING BOARD ALSO RECOMMENDS ON VARIANCES. SO YOU'D WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE VARIANCES, LET THEM KNOW WHY YOU'VE DESIGNED THE SITE. MM-HMM. . AND REALLY THERE'S REALLY NOT A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE BEYOND THOSE VARIANCES. SO I DO THINK, UM, [01:05:01] A MEETING WITH THE PLANNING BOARDS IN ORDER, I THINK THE SITE VISIT WITH THE TOWN BOARDS IS A GREAT THING. UM, SO WE'LL COORDINATE THAT. AND, UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, OH, I DID SPEAK WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, CHIEF HOWARD REESE FROM THE FAIRVIEW FIRE DISTRICT. UM, AND UH, HE SAID ABSOLUTELY, THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW. HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA KEEP HIM IN THE LOOP AND IN THE FIRE DISTRICT IN THE LOOP. UM, REALLY HE INDICATED, UM, THE PROSPECT OF 75 ADDITIONAL INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS DID NOT RAISE A RED FLAG IN TERMS OF, UM, HIS CAPACITY FOR SERVICES. UM, BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT, MAKE SURE IT'S DESIGNED, UM, FOR FIRE SAFETY. UM, DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SECURITY COMPANY THAT MONITORS THE PROPERTY OR IS WOULD THAT BE A TRADITIONAL IMPACT FOR THE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? NO, THERE'S STAFF ON HAND 24 7. SO THAT'S, YEAH, THERE'S, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S ALWAYS STAFF ON, ON HAND GIVEN CARE AND BOTH FACILITIES AND NURSING STAFF AND OPERATIONAL STAFF. HOW ABOUT EMS? RIGHT? I MEAN YOU HAVE NURSING STAFF, BUT I'M INSECURITY, HAVING SAID THAT, BOTH SECURITY AND UM, LIFE SAFETY, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE INFORMED AND INVOLVED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK THROUGH WE'LL ABOUT WHAT WE ALL WE'LL EVALUATE THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE WITH THAT KIND OF AN INCREASE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEED PERHAPS FOR MORE SECURITY. WELL, WE, WHAT WE FOUND IF WITH THESE TYPES OF FACILITY, MANY MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR OUR AMBULANCE. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COST TO THAT. AND SO, UM, YEAH. ARE YOU ENVISIONING THIS BEING TAX EXEMPT OR THEY'RE OR IT IS CURRENTLY NON-PROFIT IS, THEY'D BE EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU GET INTO MEMORY CARE. UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE NOW, THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY MEMORY CARE AR SKILLED. THE ONLY, THE ONLY TYPE OF CARE WE'RE ADDING IS INDEPENDENT LIVING. SO IN THEORY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOME OF INDEPENDENT HEALTH WOULDN'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY, HAVE A HEART ATTACK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT THE FREQUENCY OF IT FOR WE ARE, WE'RE TAKING THE LOWEST CARE LEVEL OF CARE IS WHAT WE'RE ADDING. NOT IN THE OTHER LEVEL. OH, WE HAVE ONE FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL DOING IT, BUT IF THE PATIENT FELL OUT OF BED, THEY WOULDN'T PICK UP THE PATIENT. THEY CALLED THE AMBULANCE TO PUT THE PATIENT BACK TO BED. I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD BE WHERE MY MOTHER WAS LIVING. YES. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. THAT'S THERE'S A COST. SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND A CONVERSATION THAT WE WILL HAVE. ABSOLUTELY. AND WITH NEWER ALS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, BEEN WE WANT THEM TO HAVE ON STAFF. YES. THERE'S BEEN PROTOCOL THAT, UM, PLACES, LET'S JUST SAY LESS OF A BURDEN ON OUR EMS. RIGHT. EXACTLY. RIGHT. AND THIS IS WHY, YES. SO WE INTEND TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A, UH, A NURSE, AN RN OR OR PHYSICIAN, WHATEVER. WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO HAVE ON STAFF, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHEN YOU SAY SKILLED NURSING? MM-HMM. , WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN RN 24 HOURS A DAY. UM, WE HAVE LPNS, CNAS, AND ON THE ON AND INDEPENDENT SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD BE ADDING, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A 24 HOUR CONCIERGE WHO'S ALWAYS THERE. AND, UM, EACH RESIDENT HAS A PENDANT IN THEIR ROOM THAT THEY COULD PRESS IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. MM-HMM. . AND OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEONE DOESN'T COME DOWN TO DINNER, WE, WE WILL GO AND DO A WELLNESS CHECK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY FALLS OUT OF BED? BED IF THEY, IF THEY FALL OUTTA BED ON THE INDEPENDENT SIDE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA CALL 9 1 1. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S, WE DON'T SEE, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THAT. UM, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT WE DON'T, 'CAUSE THESE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE INDEPENDENT. OUR PHYSICIAN WILL EVALUATE EVERYONE THAT MOVES IN AND THEY HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENT TO MOVE IN. SO WE WON'T ALLOW SOMEONE TO MOVE IN WHO'S NOT INDEPENDENT. WELL, YOU'D BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT VERY QUICKLY 'CAUSE YOU HAVE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS RIGHT NOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF CALLS WE GET FOR THOSE UNITS? SO ABSOLUTELY. MULTIPLY BY WHATEVER THAT'S, THAT'S ALL PART OF, THAT'S NOT THAT DATA WILL BE FORTHCOMING. RIGHT. OKAY. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. SO YOU SAID VARIANCES, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T NEED A HEIGHT VARIANCE. I THOUGHT EVERYTHING IS WELL, WELL THE WAY THAT YOU MEASURE, THE WAY THAT THE ZONING CODE MEASURES HEIGHT, IT ACTUALLY, IT'S ABOVE THE'S COMPLICATED , EVEN THOUGH IT ENDS UP BEING THE SAME HEIGHT SINCE THEY'RE DOWN SLOPE. THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT SLOPE CREATES THE COMPLICATION OF GETTING US OUT OF VARIANCE. THAT'S ONE OF THE MM-HMM. SO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEIGHT AND ELEVATION, CORRECT. IN, IN TERMS OF PROCESS OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SITE VISIT FIRST OR ARE YOU OKAY IF WE, WE, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TIMING, BUT IF WE, IF WE MEET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, BEFORE, OR I MEAN TO, I DUNNO IF IT MATTERS TO US, BUT JUST WE MIGHT AS WELL TRY TO GET BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. YEAH. THAT I THINK WE'LL JUST ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULES AS SOON AS IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THE TOWN BOARD. WE'LL SET THAT UP AND DITTLE THAT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD. GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. GOOD. MM-HMM? . ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE SERVICE. YES. YEAH, COURSE. YEAH. [01:10:01] SO, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. HAVE YOU HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF THE NULL? HAVE YOU HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF THE NULL TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK, LIKE A SURVEY OF THE RESIDENTS TO SEE? UM, WELL WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME MINIMAL CONVERSATIONS, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING IN, IN DETAIL YET. SO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WE'VE DONE A CONCEPTUAL YEAH. IT, IT'S IN CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. WE, WE DID, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S BUILDABLE FROM A APPROVAL STANDPOINT BEFORE WE START SELLING AND TALKING ABOUT IT TO THE RESIDENTS. AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO BACKTRACK. BUT WE COULDN'T DO THAT. WHY COULDN'T YOU DO THAT? WELL, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH YOUR PLAN? IMAGINE WHY ARE WE GONNA GET THOSE BETTER AMENITIES NOW? YEAH, EXACTLY. SO I THINK, I MEAN INTENTIONALLY WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THAT WE HAVE A BUILDABLE PROJECT, APPROVABLE PROJECT FROM A CONCEPT. MM-HMM. . AND THEN OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION EFFORT IS GONNA TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO GO THROUGH. AND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY THE RESIDENTS ARE, ARE WE, WE WILL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CONS, DESIGN SCHEMATIC, DD, CDS, AND EACH STEP WE'VE COMMUNICATE THE RESIDENTS WHAT THAT SCOPE IS, GET INPUT, ADJUST IT, PROGRAM IT. YOU WOULD HAVE THE RESIDENT COMMITTEE WHO'D BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. 'CAUSE WE THEN THEY HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET THEM INVOLVED SOONER THAN LATER. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY FOR ME, IF MOST OF THE PEOPLE THERE DON'T WANT THIS AND THAT'S THEIR HOME YEAH. AGREE. I'M NOT VOTING FOR IT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO HELP THEM, BUT IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT, SO YOU HAVE TO SELL IT TO THEM AS WELL. THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST ONE VOTE. YOU'RE SPOT ON. WE'VE DONE, WE'VE, UH, EXPERIENCED HOW WELL COMMUNICATION CAN GO WITH RESIDENTS AND HOW POORLY AND IT'S, WE NEED TO OVER COMMUNICATE IN ORDER TO HAVE SUCCESS. FOR SURE. ABSOLUTELY. PATRICK AND I HAVE DONE THAT A FEW TIMES. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD SEEING YOU. I'M GONNA MOVE THIS ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO POSE A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SCHEDULED INTERVIEWS, DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AND WE WON'T BE COMING BACK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.