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EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 30, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
SEPTEMBER 30TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD.UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? SURE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER JOHAN SNAGS, AS WELL AS OUR ALTERNATE AISHA SPARKS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OR COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY ABOUT THEM? OH, IT'S PRETTY GOOD.
UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
AND I WANT TO SAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT, UH, I APOLOGIZE THAT THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING HAD TO BE CANCELED.
IT'S VERY RARE THAT IT HAPPENS.
WE KNOW IT INCONVENIENCES PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, TRY NOT TO LET IT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.
SO, A FEW THINGS IN CORRESPONDENCE.
ONE, UH, IN YOUR PACKAGES YOU RECEIVED THE, UH, 2025 PRELIMINARY PLANNING BOARD DATES.
UM, WE CAN, WE'RE ASKED BOARD MEMBERS TO REVIEW IT OVER THESE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, AND WE WILL DISCUSS ANY DATE CHANGES AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 16TH OF OCTOBER.
DID EVERYONE GET IT OR HAVE IT? GREAT.
TWO OTHER ITEMS, UH, THAT I'M QUICKLY GOING TO NOTE.
THEY WERE NOT IN YOUR PACKAGES.
UH, THEY CAME IN AFTER THE PACKAGES WENT OUT.
THERE ARE TWO EXTENSION REQUESTS.
UH, OUR OFFICE WILL FORWARD THEM ALONG TO THE BOARD.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, MR. HAY AND MS. DAVIS ABOUT THIS.
AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANTS TO ATTEND THE UPCOMING MEETING ON OCTOBER 16TH TO DISCUSS CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 33, WHICH IS THE BRODSKY SUBDIVISION AT 2121 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, AS WELL AS CASE NUMBER PB 16 DASH 25, THE TEBOW SUBDIVISION, WOODLANDS AVENUE NORTH AND VAN COT AVENUE ASKING FOR A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION FIRST NAME.
NO, THEY'RE BOTH, UH, QUITE A FEW TIMES ACTUALLY.
AND IN FACT, VERY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES OUT OF THEIR CONTROL MOSTLY.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE REQUESTS WHICH ARE DETAILED IN YOUR UPCOMING PACKAGES.
ALRIGHT, THOSE WERE THE TWO ITEMS. ALL OTHER CORRESPONDENCE IS, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH PROJECTS ON THE AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, THEN, UH, WE'LL GO INTO, IT'S LISTED UNDER CORRESPONDENCE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, A CASE, A MINOR PROJECT, WETLAND WATER CO PERMIT CASE NUMBER PB 24 17 BRESLER EIGHT COVEN PLACE.
AND WE HAVE MR. BRITTON ON THE ZOOM TO PRESENT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AS TOWN WETLANDS AND INSPECT.
UM, YES, THIS IS A MINOR PROJECT, UH, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, INSTALLED A STAIRCASE, AN OUTDOOR STAIRCASE AND SMALL LANDING AREA, UH, TO THE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOME, UM, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE PERMITS.
UM, AND THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE WORK.
IT IS SIMPLY AN OUTDOOR STAIRCASE TO SUPPORT POSTS AND A SMALL LANDING.
UM, THE APPLICANT WENT TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AND RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM, UH, WITH, UH, THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT REFRAIN FROM USING PESTICIDES OR HERBICIDES ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO.
UM, I'M GOING TO SHOW A PICTURE OF THE STAIRCASE THAT WAS INSTALLED, UH, AND FOR WHICH THEY ARE REQUESTING A PERMIT.
UH, IT IS THIS OUTDOOR STAIRCASE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THE WATER COURSE ITSELF IS ABOUT 50 FEET TO THE LEFT OF THIS PICTURE.
UM, AND IT, THE WATER COURSE MAKES ITS WAY UNDER BRA BROOK ROAD AND DOWN INTO THE SPRING, UH, RIVER.
UM, GIVEN THAT THIS IS SUCH A MINOR PROJECT, UH, I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, REQUEST THE PLANNING BOARD, TURN THE PROJECT OVER TO ME AS THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR TO, UH, ISSUE A DECISION.
MATT, HOW DID, HOW DID WE DISCOVER THIS BLATANT VIOLATION OF THE WETLANDS
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LAW? UH, UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOTED THE VIOLATION, UH, AND INSTRUCTED THE APPLICANT TO FILE WITH OUR OFFICE TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE.MAY I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, SO THIS QUALIFIES AS A MINOR WETLANDS PROJECT UNDER THE DEFINITION OF THE CODE, CORRECT? UM, THIS IS AN INSTANCE WHERE IT'S ALMOST SILLY THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT AS, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT INFORMED ME BEFORE THE MEETING WE WERE SPEAKING WITH MICHAEL, THE LAW AS WRITTEN FOR WETLAND WATERCOURSE IS ZERO, UM, EXCEPTIONS, ZERO AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, OF EARTH MOVED OR TOUCHED.
AND THAT SEEMS VERY STRINGENT IN A CASE LIKE THIS.
IN PARTICULAR, SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN DRESS DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SET A LIMIT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE.
SOMEONE WANTS TO SYNC A COUPLE POSTS.
NO, I THINK, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, UH, UH, UH, CLAUSE OR CHANGE THAT WAS, UH, IF IT'S MORE THAN 500, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW CERTAIN NUMBER, A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND STEEP SLOPES, FOUR CUBIC FEET OF, THAT'S STEEP SLOPES.
THE STEEP SLOPES LAW HAS EXEMPTIONS IN PLACE WITH RESPECT TO THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DONE, BECAUSE THE CODE DOES ALLOW FOR THIS MINOR PROJECT REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THE APPLICANT'S NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR IS REPORTING TO THE BOARD.
AND IF THE BOARD AGREES AND VOTES THAT IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION AND TO TURN THE PROJECT OVER TO THE TOWN'S WETLANDS INSPECTOR FOR DECISION, THEN THE PROJECT WILL BE, UH, DECIDED UPON LIKELY LATER THIS WEEK.
CAN WE YEAH, NO, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
BUT CAN WE HAVE A SORT OF SIMILAR AMENDMENT TO THE THINGS SO THAT I THINK WE DO NOT HAVE, THIS IS A REALLY WASTED OF EVERYBODY'S TIME.
I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY CERTAIN, UH, CHANGES SUCH AS IF IT'S NOT ON THE PROPERTY, IF IT'S CROSSED THE STREET, IF IT'S, IT'S CERTAIN TO SMALL, CERTAIN SCENARIOS TO EXEMPT COMPLETELY.
UM, BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE TIME, RIGHT.
SO MAYBE YOU WANNA FORMALIZE THAT IN A LETTER OR A UH, WELL LOOK, AARON AND I, AARON AND I DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND AARON SUGGESTED THAT THEY HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY IN TERMS OF CHANGES TO THE CODE.
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD OFF PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, A CHANGE TO THE WETLANDS WATERCOURSE LAW MAYBE TILL NEXT YEAR WHEN IT MIGHT GET A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
SO HOW BIG A FISH IS THAT? AND, AND, AND SO TO THAT POINT, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE SEE THIS WHERE IT WOULD REALLY CAUSE AN ISSUE IF WE HELD OFF TILL NEXT YEAR? UH, IT'S INFREQUENT, BUT NEVERTHELESS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST? WE CAN START TO DRAFT SOMETHING UP.
AND DISCUSS IT, YOU KNOW, AT A FUTURE MEETING AND SEE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO VOTE UPON IT AND THEN WE CAN CIRCULATE IT TO THE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
AND, AND, AND THE THING THAT AMANDA BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A STREET BETWEEN YOU AND THE WATERCOURSE MM-HMM.
I MEAN IT'S LIKE REALLY, AT LEAST WE GET IT ON THE RADAR EXACTLY SOMEWHERE AND CAN BE GOOSE LATER PROMPTED AGAIN.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SO MOVED.
TURN THIS OVER TO THE SECOND WETLAND INSPECTOR TYPE TWO AND TURN OVER.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE MOTION, RIGHT? HE DIDN'T HEAR IT
SO WE'RE CLASSIFYING AS THE TYPE TWO ACTION TURNING IT OVER TO THE MITER WHITLAND WALKERS.
I'M SORRY MICHAEL AND THEN SECONDED BY I THOUGHT IT WAS LESS.
ALRIGHT, NOW MOVING INTO OLD BUSINESS.
UH, FIRST CASE IS PB 24 0 7 CHANG ROBERTS NINE GREENVALE CIRCLE.
UH, WE HAVE A FEW THINGS TO DO HERE, A LITTLE SEEKER AND SOME, UH, COUPLE DECISIONS.
YOU WANNA TAKE US THROUGH IT, AARON? SURE.
SO YOU MAY RECALL THIS PROJECT INVOLVES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON AN APPROVED LOT.
UH, THERE'S STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCES.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT BOTH IN WORK SESSION AND IN PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S SOME FILL COMING INTO THE SITE.
SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A FILL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF NINE REGULATED TREES BEING REMOVED FROM THE SITE AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A MINIMUM OF 11 NEW TREES AS AS REPLACEMENT.
THERE'S A WATER COURSE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
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ESTABLISHED LIMITED DISTURBANCE THAT'S BEYOND THE 100 FOOT REGULATED BUFFER AREA.SO THERE'S NO WET AND WATER COURSE PERMIT REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THE THREE VOTES UP FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING ARE ONE THAT THE PROJECT, UH, IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE, I JUST WANNA STATE BRIEFLY WHAT A TYPE TWO ACTION MEANS.
SO, UH, UNDER SEEKER THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TYPE TWO ACTIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THIS PROJECT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT.
SO IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CONSIDER THAT VOTE, YOU CAN DO SO.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, A VOTE TO CONSIDER RELATED TO TWO VOTES.
ONE FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION AND THE OTHER FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
THERE'S ONE WITHIN THE DRAFT DECISION.
THERE'S ONE, UM, CONDITION ON PAGE 5 1, 4 0.2 4.1 STATES.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN A FILL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER PRIOR TO FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.
4.2 READS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST KEEP THE AREAS WITHIN THE SITE DISTANCE TRIANGLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, FREE AND CLEAR OF ANY VISUAL OBSTRUCTIONS INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO FENCING WALLS, PARKED VEHICLES, TREES, AND OR SHRUBS AT ALL TIMES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THE APPROVAL.
THERE ARE NO OTHER SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS EVENING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
ISN'T THIS CONDITIONS STILL STANDARD CONDITION OR SITE TRIANGLE? YEAH.
UM, YES, BUT WE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED IT HERE BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT OF THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY GET EVERY APPLICATION THAT MOVES THROUGH AND IN INSTANCES WHERE THEY SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE SITE TRIANGLE, WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT WRITTEN CONDITION IN THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MOVE? UH, NO.
HOW MANY TREES HAVE OH, VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.
SO YES, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, NINE TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL AND 11 ARE BEING REPLACED.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL.
THE NEXT ONE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED CASE.
THE JACKSON AVENUE NURSERY AT 2 79 JACKSON AVENUE PO.
DO YOU WANT TO, I CAN, UH, JUST TRY TO GIVE A OVERVIEW BEFORE THE APPLICANT'S.
SO SINCE WE LAST MET, PLANNING BOARDS HAD A FEW WORK SESSIONS, UM, AND THE APPLICANT WAS ASKED TO GIVE, UH, A LISTING OF ALL THE VARIOUS APPROVALS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT DID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTIVE WORK SESSION AND AT THAT TIME, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD ASKED IF THE APPLICANT COULD CONSIDER ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO REDUCE DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES.
THE APPLICANT'S DONE THAT, SO I'LL LET THEM WALK THE BOARD THROUGH IT PROCEDURALLY THIS EVENING, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD BE IN A POSITION TO CONSIDER A SEEKER DETERMINATION.
WE CIRCULATED A DRAFT SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION, AND IF THE BOARD MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT, IT WOULD ALSO CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE VARIANCES.
NOW REQUIRED, THERE'S AN UPDATED VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO THAT WAS CIRCULATED IN THE PACKAGES.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES AND THE BOARD WILL DECIDE, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S ON THE OCTOBER MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD, UH, WHICH IS IN PROCESS OF BEING MOVED TO OCTOBER 24TH.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME TIME, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU OF THAT IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF SE, IS THIS UNLISTED, UH, THIS IS AN UNLISTED OBJECT? YES.
SO WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT ON THEIR UPDATED SUBMISSION AND THE MODIFICATIONS
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THAT IMPACT THE VARIANCES.AND THEN, UH, WE'LL SEE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE OUTSTANDING QUESTION I THINK AMANDA RAISED ABOUT THE WATER DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S IN THE, UH, A WATER DISTRICT IN YONKERS OR NOT.
SO I BELIEVE, DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE STILL DECIDING WHERE TO GET THE WATER OR, MM-HMM,
SO THE APPLICANT SENT A LETTER, UH, SPEAKING TO THE WATER CONNECTION.
THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION.
I'VE ASKED THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO FOLLOW UP JUST ON THE PROCESS FOR JUST THE YONKERS WATER DEPARTMENT OR NO, THIS IS THE TOWN OF GREENHOUSE.
SO THE CONSOLIDATED WATER DISTRICT NUMBER ONE.
UM, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE AN ISSUE.
UH, HELLO, THIS IS TROY BERNINGER, PSNS.
AND THIS IS LAUREN FINNEGAN WITH ME.
AND WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH MARYANNE WYATT OF THE YONKERS WATER DISTRICT, AND SHE HAS SAID THAT WE ARE WITHIN THE YONKERS WATER DISTRICT AND WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR OUT OF DISTRICT SERVICE WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE NO OBJECTION AT THE MOMENT.
WE CURRENTLY PREFER THE IDEA OF TAKING THE WATER FROM JACKSON AVENUE.
UH, AS DISCUSSED BEFORE, THE EASEMENT THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD IS A LITTLE BIT TIGHT TO FIT BOTH SANITARY AND WATER, MAINTAINING THE STATE REGULATED SEPARATION OF 10 FEET.
UM, WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE VARIANCES.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS TO LEGALIZE THE SHEDS ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THE SHEDS AT LEAST 16 FEET FROM THE REAR AND SIDE LOT LINES.
UM, AND TO MAKE APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE GRAVEL AREA THAT THE SHEDS CURRENTLY SIT ON.
UM, THE GRAVEL BEHIND THE SHEDS WILL BE REMOVED FOR MULCH, UM, AND LANDSCAPED PER THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, SO THAT WOULD ALSO REDUCE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 1% OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER TO THE SITE.
UM, WE ARE STILL 10 FEET SETBACK ON THE NEW PROPOSED DRIVEWAY TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
AND WE HAVE A ZERO FOOT SETBACK.
NON-EXISTING, OR SORRY, EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY OF THE RESIDENT'S DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AT ZERO FEET, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING USED BY THE BUSINESS CORRECT.
AND THE RESIDENT HIMSELF TO ACCESS HIS OWN GARAGE.
UM, AS FAR AS THAT THOUGH, THE PROJECT REMAINS THE SAME.
THE CUL-DE-SAC DRIVEWAY SERVING THE HOMES AND YONKERS, DOES ANYONE WANT TO SEE ANY OF THE YEAH, I GOT, I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, IF YOU COULD, YOU WANNA SHOW? YEAH.
SO, SO THE FIRST VARIANCE IS THE, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW BEHIND THE RESIDENT AND THE BUSINESS THERE IS A VERY COMPACTED GRAVEL AREA.
UM, SO ACTUALLY ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR ME.
UM, CAN YOU JUST POINT OUT WHERE THE RESIDENCE IS ALSO ON THERE? YEAH.
SO HERE, THE RESIDENCE IS OVER HERE WHERE THE MOUSE MM-HMM.
UM, SO BEHIND THE BUSINESS WE HAVE SOME MODULAR BLOCK, UH, STORAGE BAYS FOR, UH, AGGREGATE BEING USED BY THE BUSINESS, UM, IN A VERY COMPACTED GRAVEL AREA HERE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY IMPERVIOUS.
UM, THAT PRETTY MUCH GOES RIGHT UP TO BEHIND THESE SHEDS.
SO WE'RE NOW GONNA BE REMOVING THIS SMALL AREA HERE.
UM, AND THEN IF WE GO UP HERE, WE ALSO PRETTY MUCH HAVE IMPERVIOUS COVER ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING LANDSCAPING ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.
UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND REDUCED THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM 26 FEET TO 24 FEET, AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED THE CUL-DE-SAC ISLAND, UH, TO HELP US REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER BEING PROPOSED.
SO, SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ADDING ALL OF THIS PAVEMENT ON THE DRIVEWAY AND PART OF THAT, UM, UH, CUL-DE-SAC, YOU'RE STILL REDUCING NET YES.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS NOW THE, THE SECOND VARIANCE IS WHAT I, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
SO THE SECOND VARIANCE IS UP ALONG THE TOP OF THE PAGE HERE.
UH, THE 10 FOOT SETBACK THANKS.
BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF, THAT'S THIS DIMENSION SHOWN REQUIRED A 16 AND YOU'RE PROPOSING 10? YEAH, WE'RE PROPOSING 10 TO MEET THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIREMENT OF 10 FEET.
UH, SO THAT 10 FEET IS RIGHT HERE WHERE THE MOUSE IS.
UH, IT'S BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE GOING EAST TO WEST AND THE DRIVEWAY GOING EAST TO WEST.
AND, AND WHAT IS THERE NOW IN THAT 10 FOOT SECTION RIGHT NOW THAT IS COMPACTED GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IMPERVIOUS COVER, RIGHT? UM, IT GOES RIGHT UP.
OH, IT'S, IT'S PAVED ACTUALLY IN THAT LOCATION THERE.
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AND I KNOW ON THE OTHER SIDE IS, UM, A VACANT LOT.IT'S A VACANT OVERGROWN CORRECT LOT.
WHO OWNS THAT LOT? UM, I AM NOT AWARE OF THE OWNER OF THAT LOT.
WE DO HAVE THE PROPERTY LIST PRIVATE ENTITY.
AND THE THIRD VARIANCE IS, UH, MINIMUM SETBACK FROM SITE PROPERTY LINE TO EXISTING NURSERY PARKING AREA.
SO THAT IS THE GRAVEL DRIVE THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH HERE, UH, INTO THE BACK OF THE SITE THAT IS RIGHT UP ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AS WE COME PAST THE RESIDENCE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S EXISTING? THAT'S EXISTING AND USED AND IT'S USED FOR WHAT PURPOSE? UH, BOTH ACCESSING THE BUSINESS BEHIND THE RESIDENCE AND ACCESSING THE RESIDENCE HOUSE HIMSELF.
SO FROM THAT GRAVEL DRIVEWAY YOU GO INTO, THERE'S A GARAGE OR SOMETHING THERE? UM, IN THE HOUSE? YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GARAGE ON THE HOUSE AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A GARAGE BEHIND THE BUSINESS AS WELL.
AND I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S IT, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY MOVED THE SHEDS, SO THEY LOST TWO OTHER VARIANCES.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MICHAEL? NO, I HAVE.
WHY YOU NEED THAT, UH, FOR OPERATION OF THE, UH, THE, A GRAVEL BUSINESS THAT YOU NEED ACCESS FROM THE, UH, SITE OR, OR THAT'S A SECOND.
SO RIGHT NOW HE HAS TWO ACCESSES TO THE BACK OF THE BUSINESS.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW OUR, WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WILL REMOVE ONE OF THOSE ACCESSES TO CONSTRUCT THE DRIVEWAY AND HE'LL STILL HAVE THE OTHER ONE TO ACCESS HIS BUSINESS IN THE BACK.
SO THE DRIVEWAY WILL, SO THIS IS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION? SORRY? NO, THAT'S FINAL.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, UH, YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE, UH, THAT VARIANCE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A, UH, ACCESS INTO THE, YOU JUST HAVE ACCESS FOR THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S A SEPARATE, UH, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU, SO THAT'S ONLY ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY? YEAH.
WELL I BELIEVE THE VARIANCE IS SPECIFICALLY THE PARKING AREA OR DRIVEWAY TO THE SIDE YARD.
IT'S ALSO ACCESS TO THE HOUSE IN THE GARAGE.
SO THERE IS ONLY ONE MIN ONE WAY TO YOU GO IN AND OUT IN THE FUTURE CONDITION.
IN THE FUTURE CONDITION, THERE'LL BE ONE WAY TO ACCESS HIS BUSINESS AND HIS RESIDENCE.
SO DRIVEWAY, THE NEW DRIVEWAY IS NOT GOING TO BE USED FOR THE BUSINESS, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THIS WOULD BE THEIR ONLY ACCESS POINT TO THE BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE BUSINESS ALSO IN THE FUTURE, YES.
AND THEN SAME, IT'S SAME DRIVER WOULD BE USED FOR THE ACCESS TO THE HOUSE? YES.
SO WHILE YOU'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, CAN YOU KIND OF ADD ON TO IT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, USE THAT AND THEN CAN ELIMINATE THE VARIANCE BECAUSE OF WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS CURRENTLY? UH, CONNECTING TO JACKSON AVENUE, YOU COULD SEE IT'S ALREADY THERE AT THE CORNER OF THE LOT.
UM, THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH ROOM TO RELOCATE THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THAT ZERO IS GOING TO STAY.
I MEAN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY IMPROVE IT A LITTLE BIT IN ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER REACH THE 16 FEET.
MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT WHY YOU REALLY, UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IS IT, IS IT, UH, OKAY TO HAVE BOTH RESIDENT AND THE BUSINESS ACCESS OR IT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION? IT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION.
AND THIS PROPOSAL HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE WHO HASN'T IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA MENTION IS THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, SO SOMETIMES THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT, OKAY, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY HERE IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION.
SO IT SITS ABOVE WHERE THIS DRIVEWAY GOES DOWN TO ACCESS THE, UH, THE HOME AND THE BUSINESS.
NO, MY CONCERN IS EMERGENCY VEHICLE IF NEEDS TO BE SOME FIRE OR SOMETHING IN THE BACK.
SO FOR THE, FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, YOU HAVE A SO PRETTY, PRETTY PRETTY, UH, LIMITED ACCESS FOR BUSINESS.
HOW WIDE IS IT AGAIN, TO ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS? NO, I MEAN RIGHT NOW THE BUSINESS OPERATES TO IT, BUT NOW YOU'RE CHANGING A LOT.
AND THEN IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE A INDEPENDENT ACCESS FOR HOUSE AND THE BUSINESS? SO IN CASE THERE IS EMERGENCY FOR THE HOUSE, OF COURSE THEY ARE FACING TO THE ROAD, BUT THE BUSINESS, IF THERE IS A SAY A, A TRUCK OR SOMETHING CATCHES ON, GETS ON A FIRE WHILE THEY ARE DUMPING OR LOADING OR UNLOADING, HOW WOULD THEY GO THROUGH? BUT WHY WOULDN'T THEY USE THE DRIVEWAY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
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BUSINESSES ONLY HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY TO BEGIN WITH.BUT THIS IS A COM COMBINATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AND THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMBINING INTO ONE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S AGREED TO THAT.
RIGHT NOW IT'S THE TOP DRIVEWAY GOES TO THE HOMES ONLY AND THE OTHER DRIVEWAY AT THE BOTTOM GOES ONLY TO THE BUSINESS AND, AND THE EXISTING.
SO THE EACH SHADOW IS SEPARATE AND THE EXISTING ONE HOUSE ONE THAT'S NEXT TO THE BUSINESS.
LEMME ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTION.
THAT'S MY QUESTION AND THAT'S MY WORD.
IF, IF SOMEBODY HAD TO, COULD THEY ACCESS THAT TOP DRIVEWAY TO THE HOUSES FROM THE BACK OF THE BUSINESS BY GOING OVER A HUMP OR SOMETHING? CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE THEM CONNECTED.
UM, THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD LOOK AT MAKING A CONNECTION, UM, AND DOING SOME REGRADING, UM, IT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY STEEP CONNECTION BECAUSE THERE'S APPROXIMATELY SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT GRADE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT STORAGE YARD AND THE CUL-DE-SAC ITSELF.
HAS FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES LOOKED AT THIS AND EXPRESSED ANY ISSUE WITH ACCESS? YEAH, THEY HAVE NOT.
THEY HAVEN'T EXPRESSED ANY CONCERN AND IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WIDTH FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO MY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YES.
AND FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OKAY BECAUSE THIS IS A PART OF TOWN OF IT WAS CIRCULATED.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
AND SO ACTUALLY, I JUST WANNA SAY FIRE WILL BE, UH, FOR THE HOMES WILL BE SERVICED BY THE YONKERS FIRE DISTRICT.
THE NEW HOMES, THE NEW HOMES WILL BE SERVICED BY THE YONKERS.
UH, GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, UH, EXPRESSED NO CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE DRIVEWAYS? YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REINVENT.
UH, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT IT MM-HMM.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK LEMME SAY, LEMME SAY THOSE, UM, ZONING.
YOU WANT TO SEE THE, UH, VARIANCE AGAIN? SO WE HAVE A SECRET DETERMINATION AND THE VARIANCE RECOMMENDATION TO THE Z TO THE ZBA.
AND THE SECRET WOULD BE FIRST, BUT MICHAEL, DO YOU NEED A MINUTE TO LOOK THAT OVER AGAIN? NO.
SO, UM, IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION.
UM, STAFF HAS CIRCULATED A CONDITION NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
JUST A STANDARD NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
IT SAYS NO, I'M LEARNING GUYS.
SO, UH, MICHAEL MOVED THAT IT'S THE TYPE ONE ACTION.
UNLISTED, UNLISTED, UNLISTED
I I'M NOT GOOD IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
WHAT CAN I SAY? NO, YOU'RE DOING GOOD.
AND THEN, THEN I MOVED TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
OKAY, SO I, SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, REC ZONING RECOMMENDATION? YES.
SO, SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ISSUE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND HERE ARE MY REASONS.
UM, FIRST THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND HAS AGREED TO MOVE HOW MANY BUILDINGS? IT'S TWO STORE OR TWO SHEDS.
SO THAT THERE ARE 16 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'LL BE GRADED.
SO YOU'VE ELIMINATED TWO VARIANCES.
SECOND, UH, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS ACTUALLY BEING REDUCED EVEN THOUGH IT'S MORE THAN WHAT'S PERMITTED AND THERE'S GONNA BE PLANTINGS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S A POSITIVE, UH, RESULT.
UM, SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT, IT'S, UH, 10 FEET AND 16 FEET PERMITTED.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPED.
IT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPED WITH A BUFFER.
AND 10 FEET IS FINE BECAUSE THE OTHER PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED WILD, YOU KNOW, UM, UNKEMPT.
SO NOBODY'S AFFECTED BY THAT SIX FEET THAT THEY COULDN'T QUITE GET.
THIS IS THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE, UH, ON THE BOTTOM.
IS THAT SOUTH? THAT SOUTH? THAT WAS, THAT'S TO THE EAST WEST.
TRUE NORTH IS SLIGHTLY ROTATED, WE'LL CALL IT AT THE BOTTOM.
SO THAT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE HOUSE, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU'RE STUCK WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
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NEIGHBOR.SO THE NEIGHBOR REALLY CAN'T SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED, I TAKE IT BY TRUCKS AND BY VEHICLES.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT VARIANCE, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST RATIFY AN EXISTING CONDITION THAT'S GONE ON FOR HOW MANY YEARS? 50 50 YEARS.
WELL WHY DON'T YOU SAY NUMBER OF YEARS
I, I GUESS I DIDN'T FEEL IT ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF POSITIVE IN MY MIND.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLANNING ADVANCEMENT IN MY OPINION.
I THINK THERE IS NO OVERRIDING REASON TO, UH, I MEAN, I AGREE THAT IT IS, IT, IT IS IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT IT IS THERE, BUT, UH, LET THE ZONING BOARD SORT OF DECIDE IT.
AND I THINK ZONING BOARD WILL GIVE YOU A, UH, APPROVAL ON IT ANYWAY WITH THE MERIT THAT WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
SO I THINK I WOULD SAY NEUTRAL, LESLIE.
AND THEN I'LL JUST TRY TO EXPLAIN TO DYLAN WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE.
NEUTRAL WITH HELP FROM ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CHIME IN.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS AND ANYONE CAN CHIME IN.
SO WE, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, KIND OF CHANGED HOW WE HANDLE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZBA.
UM, ORIGINALLY WE HAD, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE MY TIME PRETTY MUCH, UM, RULED THINGS NEUTRAL UNLESS THERE WAS AN OVERRIDING REASON FOR IT TO BE POSITIVE FOR NEGATIVE.
BUT IN TIME IT BECAME, IF WE LIKED IT AND THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY, WE GAVE IT A POSITIVE AND IT ALMOST, IT DILUTED THE EFFECT OF THE POSITIVE KIND OF RECALIBRATED AND SAID, LET'S STEP BACK, START A NEW PROCESS WHERE UNLESS WE THINK IT'S REALLY ADDING SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA SAY NEUTRAL AND EXPLAINED TO THE ZBA.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT HERE, HERE'S THE, THE REASON WE'RE CALLING IT NEUTRAL, IF IT REALLY ADDS SOME PLANNING ADVANTAGES, SIGNIFICANT IN MY MIND, BUT THAT'S A JUDGE.
UH, EVERYONE'S JUDGMENT, WE MIGHT SAY POSITIVE.
WE THINK IT REALLY, UM, HAS FLAWS WE MIGHT SAY NEGATIVE.
SO IN WITH THAT, IF THAT, I'M SORRY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD? I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, I THINK TIME BEFORE THE FRAME WAS WE, WE MOSTLY GIVEN TRUE BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME REASON THAT IT WAS VERY OUTSTANDING THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO REALLY TELL OR INFLUENCED THE ZONING BOARD WITH OUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THEN, UH, UH, AFTER, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OR WHATEVER, THAT WE KIND OF FELT AND WE KIND OF REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, HAVING NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND NEW ACTIVITIES HAPPENING AND, AND WE WANTED PEOPLE TO REALLY, UH, MOVE THAT WAY.
AND THEN WE, I THINK OVERSTEPPED OUR THINGS FOR THE ZONING BOARD AND ONE INSTANCE ZONING BOARD SORT OF, EVEN THOUGH WE OUR POSITIVE, THEY SORT OF DECLARED, I MEAN THEY DID NOT APPROVE IT.
SO THEN WE REALIZED IT THAT WE ARE, WE ARE SORT OF HAVE TO KIND OF RECONSIDER AND RECALIBRATE.
SO JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT THREE IS.
SO WITH THAT, YEAH, I DID COME OUT.
SO I, SO I THINK WHILE I, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT MADE FOR, FOR THE REASONS THAT MICHAEL OUTLINED.
UM, I, I THINK A NEUTRAL IN THIS CASE IS, IS APPROPRIATE AND I JUST WANT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT AND TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT A NEW, IF THE PLANNING BOARD WERE TO ISSUE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, THEY'VE ISSUED PREVIOUSLY A MEMORANDUM TO THE ZONING BOARD.
INDICATING THAT NEUTRAL IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS NEGATIVE.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE PLANNING IMPLICATION TO MAKE A POSITIVE OR CONVERSELY A NEGATIVE TO GO NEXT.
BUT, AND ALSO AARON, WE CAN STATE WITH THE NEUTRAL THAT WE THINKS THESE ARE THE YEAH, WE CAN GIVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE POSITIVES THAT THE A INC WHAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, ADD ONTO IT, ABSTAIN FROM THE VOTE AND THEN AND THEN CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY ABSTAIN? 'CAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE POSITIVE FOR THE REASONS THAT I ENUNCIATED.
HI, I'M SALVIA THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
I'D LIKE TO JUST BRING UP, UH, A POINT FROM HOW THIS STARTED.
UM, LISTEN TO EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR OPINION ON POSITIVE, NEGATIVE OR WHATEVER.
IT'S NOT NEGATIVE, NOT POSITIVE, NEUTRAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A
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NON-EXISTING, UH, BUSINESS, UM, OVER THE YEARS THERE'S BEEN, UH, MANY, UH, ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NOISE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF, UM, WHEN WE WENT TO THE CITY OF YONKERS TO DO SOME RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY TO ENHANCE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT, THEY SAID NO, IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AS A NURSERY.
SO THEY SAID TO US RECOMMENDED THAT MAYBE WHY DON'T YOU USE IT AS A RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, IF WE CAN GET THE DRIVEWAY IN ACCESS THROUGH THERE, WE ARE GONNA REDUCE THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST POSITIVE HERE IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE REDUCING A, A GOOD PORTION OF THE NURSERY IN THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY OF THE NURSERY.
SO THE NURSERY IS GONNA BE REDUCED.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BY US PUTTING IN THE, UM, YONKERS PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL AND PUTTING IN THIS DRIVEWAY, THAT ALSO IS GONNA BE A BIG PART OF REDUCING THE SIZE AND THE OPERATION AT A NURSERY.
SO, AND MY FEELING IS THAT THAT'S WHERE THE GIVE IS TO, UM, RETURN BACK TO THE TOWN.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT IN GREENBURG, WHICH IS WHERE OUR PURVIEW IS.
BECAUSE THE HOMES ARE ALL IN YONKERS.
THE HOMES ARE IN YONKERS, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THERE'S LESS NURSERY BUSINESS, LESS NURSERY REDUCING THE SIZE SUBSTANTIALLY FROM USING IT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S STILL MOSTLY A DRIVEWAY IN THAT AREA THOUGH, ISN'T IT USED FOR A COMMERCIAL? NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
I DID, I DID WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I BELIEVE, UM, MR. SCHNEIDER MENTIONED THIS AT ONE OF OUR PRIOR MEETINGS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ZONING IN YONKERS IS RESIDENTIAL.
THEY DID APPLY FOR USE VARIANCE THROUGH THE CITY TO CONTINUE THE COMMERCIAL OPERATION ON THAT PROPERTY AND WERE DENIED THUS KIND OF FORCING THEIR HAND INTO APPLYING FOR A RESIDENTIAL NOTICE.
SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO REMIND THE BOARD OF THAT.
AND ALSO WE WERE ALSO, UM, BY REDUCING THE OPERATION, WE ALSO ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE SCREENING AND THE SHREDDING OF THE MULCH PROCESS OF THE NURSERY THAT WAS AGREED UPON EARLY ON THE DISCUSSIONS OF DOING THIS.
I THINK THE VARIANCES THEMSELVES ARE IN MY MIND PRETTY CLEARLY IN THE PURVIEW OF THE ZBA.
BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE A CHANGE OF OPINION BASED ON THOSE? UH, JUST I WANTED YOU TO SAY, MICHAEL SAID, UH, TO EXPLAIN THE ABSTAIN.
DID YOU WANT THEM TO EXPLAIN THE ABSTAIN? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHY WOULD IT NOT BE A NO TO A NEUTRAL? WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE ABSTAIN AND NOT NO TO VOTE? I DON'T KNOW.
SHOULD I VOTE? NO, YOU COULD VOTE AGAINST THE NEUTRAL WITH AN EXPLANATION OR YOU CAN ABSTAIN WITH AN EXPLANATION.
SO, UM, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MAKE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS? SO MOVED ON ALL THREE VARIANCE ON ALL THREE VARIANCES.
OH, SO LESLIE COR ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE WILL LIST OUT IN THE MEMO THAT GOES WITH THIS, ALL THE POINTS THAT MICHAEL MADE AND UM, THAT I BELIEVE WE ALL AGREE ARE GOOD AND BENEFICIAL, BUT NOT TO THE LEVEL WHERE WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND POSITIVE IF YOU WERE BUILDING A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL AND IT WAS 10 FEET FROM THE LINE THAT WE MIGHT SAY, WELL THIS IS SUCH A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY WE SEE THERE'S REALLY A REASON WE WANT TO GO POSITIVE.
AND I ASSUME, AM I OUTTA LINE
IT HAD TO DO WITH THE, I THINK, PROPOSED VETERINARY HOSPITAL OR VETERINARY SITE.
SO IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF GETTING A VARIANCE FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS INDOOR OR OUTDOOR WAS MORE OF A PLANNING, UH, CONSIDERATION VERSUS A NUMERICAL SETBACK.
WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE ZBA CONSIDERATION.
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BUT I THINK YOU SHOULDN'T BE REALLY, UH, WORRIED BECAUSE UH, IT IS VERY GOOD IMPROVEMENTS TO WHAT IS NOW.AND ALSO THE UH, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S A LONG PROCESS AND I WAS THERE WHEN, WHEN YOU WANTED TO EXPAND THE NURSERY VISITED THERE AND, AND WE WERE ALL FOR IT.
IT WAS, UH, YONKERS KIND OF RESTRICTED AND THEY DIDN'T WANTED TO DO IT.
AND SO WHEN YOU COME UP WITH IT, IT'S A REALLY BENEFICIARY TO THE YONKERS, THEY'RE GONNA GET A LOT MORE PROPERTY TAX.
SO WE'LL NOTE WITH THE ABSTENTION THAT YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF A POSITIVE YEAH.
FOR THE REASONS CITED ALL OF THE 27 REASONS WHICH
WHAT DO YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT
WE'LL GET THIS THANK YOU FINALIZED AND OFF TO YOU AND WITH BY THE END OF THE WEEK FINAL.
YEAH, HONOR, I GOTTA TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
WHAT IS, UH, I THINK WE ARE GOING NOT IN OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE? MR. HAY? I'M HERE.
MR. PINE HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER JOHANN SNAGS AS WELL AS OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, AISHA SPARKS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST CASE IS NUMBER PB 2221 SURA 39 SPRAIN VALLEY ROAD.
UH, ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT? YES.
GOOD EVENING DO ELLIOT, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT PLEASE.
ELLIOT, CR FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND CAN YOU JUST SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? SORRY, ELLIOT SEEMS TO BE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING ON IS DURING COVID THIS, UM, HOMEOWNER, UH, BUILT A SOME BACKYARD FACILITIES FOR HIS, UH, FAMILY.
UH, HE BUILT A POOL, UH, AND THE POOL ENDED UP BEING TOO CLO TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE BY ABOUT TWO FEET, A LITTLE LESS THAN TWO FEET.
UH, WE DID GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT 1.9 FEET OR SO, AND THEY DID GRANT IT, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHICH BRINGS US BACK HERE, UM, TO THIS BOARD FOR THE, THE APPROVAL.
UM, SO, UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, HE DID SOME FILLING IN THE BACKYARD.
SOME OF IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE WETLANDS.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, A PLANTING PLAN AND WE DID GO TO THE, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD, CONSERVATION ADVISORY, CONSERVATION ADVISORY.
UH, AND WE HAVE MET WITH THEIR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
SO LANDSCAPE PLAN WITHIN THE BUFFER WAS, UH, CREATED BY THE APPLICANT.
I REVIEWED IT AND DEEMED IT ACCEPTABLE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROJECT? WHAT, WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE SLEEP SLOPE STEEP SLOPE? UM, WE DIDN'T MENTION THAT IT WAS JUST, LEMME LOOK AT MY OVERALL PLAN.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE VIOLATE, UH, DID WE VIOLATE STEEP SLOPES? YES.
SO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WITH THE FILL, WITH THE FILL ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO THERE WAS SOME, UH, STEEP SLOPES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT, UH, HE HAD DONE SOME, SOME WORK THERE.
IT WAS A SMALL AMOUNT, UM, LET'S SEE, ALL, I THINK IT WAS ROUGHLY ROAD CUMULATIVE, UH, 260 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, DISTURBANCE TO 35 UH PERCENT AND 546 FEET OF, UM, 25, UH, TO 35% AND 1,460 OF, UH, 15 TO 25%.
SO OVERALL IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN, WELL IT'S ABOUT 2000 FEET, 2200 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE OF THE STEEP, STEEP SLOPES TO VERY STEEP SLOPES.
AND THAT'S ALL BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEER.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION ON ZOOM OR IN THE THEATER? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I HAD ONE QUESTION.
I'M LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM THAT OUTLINES THE A HUNDRED FOOT WATERCOURSE BUFFER.
AND THEN THE NEXT DIAGRAM, UH, HAS THE SIX CULT TEXTS OUTLINED.
THE, THE CULT TEXTS WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE
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WATERCOURSE BUFFER DIAGRAM.WHERE ARE THE CULT TEXTS IN RELATION TO THE, TO THE BUFFER? UM, THEY'RE OUT, THEY'RE GENERALLY OUTSIDE THE, THE, SO THE, THE WATERCOURSE IS ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, OF THIS.
AND SO OUR PROPERTY IS, IS ABOUT, UH, A HUNDRED FEET WIDE OR SO.
UH, AND THE TEX ARE PROBABLY ON, ON THIS LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK, THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THE POOL.
IT'S REALLY THE ONLY PLACE TO GO.
THEY'RE THE FARTHEST AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE WATERCOURSE THAT THEY CAN BE.
UH, THEY HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE DOWNHILL OF, OF EVERYTHING.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT IS OUR PROCEDURE HERE? THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION.
JUST, UM, ONE POINT WAS THAT THE, SO THE FILL WILL BE LEGALIZED TO THE 10 ENGINEERS OFFICE? YES.
SO WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WE WOULD SAY UNTIL, UH, I HAVE OCTOBER 9TH.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT MOVED.
YOU KNOW, THEY'LL LET ANYONE IN HERE THESE DAYS,
SO THIS MATTER WOULD BE ON FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DECISION AT OUR OCTOBER 16TH MEETING.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
NEXT IS CASE PB 2326, WHITE PLAINS FOUR 50 REALTY, LLC FOUR 50 TO FOUR 60 TERRYTOWN ROAD.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, MR. DIEGO VI ON ZOOM THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, FROM JMC HE WILL PRESENT AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE FOR THE RECORD.
AGAIN, DIEGO BILL REAL WITH JMC.
UH, I DO APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING IN PERSON, BUT, UH, UH, HAPPY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO THIS VIA ZOOM AS WELL.
SO, UM, IF THIS BOARD RECALLS, UM, UH, WE WERE LAST BEFORE YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO, UM, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A, UH, TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING A SINGLE LOT THAT HOUSES THE FOUR 50 AND FOUR 60 UH, TARRYTOWN ROAD BUILDINGS, UM, THAT IS ON A SINGLE LOT AND WE'RE PROPOSING SIMPLY TO DROP A SUBDIVISION LINE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS TO CREATE TWO SOMEWHAT EQUAL SIZED LOTS.
UM, EACH LOT WILL BE JUST UNDER AN ACRE, ABOUT 0.86 AND 0.89 ACRES RESPECTIVELY.
UM, THIS WAS AGAIN BEFORE YOUR FORWARD PREVIOUSLY, BUT REQUIRED SEVERAL VARIANCES, UH, TO ALLOW THE SUBDIVISION TO HAPPEN.
UM, SEVERAL OF THE VARIANCES WERE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED FOR THE PROJECT, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE WE SUBDIVIDED IT.
WE HAD TO REAFFIRM THOSE VARIANCES AND THEN ALSO GET A NEW VARIANCE FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACHIEVE, UH, THE REQUIRED SETBACK.
WE DID GO TO THE ZDA, WE DID, UH, RECEIVE ALL OF THE VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED AT THEIR LAST MEETING.
UH, SO WE WERE BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD NOW, UH, REQUESTING PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, UH, ON THE APPLICATION SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH THE, UH, REALTY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE MY SCREEN AND SHOW YOU THE PLAN QUICKLY AS WELL.
UH, THAT WAS JUST SUMMARY AND AN OVERVIEW, BUT I'M HAPPY TO PUT THE, UH, THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN IF, IF THAT WAS, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE PLEASE AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT MAY HAVE NOT BEEN AT THE WORK SESSION AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
DOES EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN? YEP.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AGAIN, TAR TOWN ROAD IS ON THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE PAGE HERE.
UM, NEW YORK STATE ROUTE ONE 19.
THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE APPLICATION, THIS IS THE FOUR 60 BUILDING THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
AND THIS IS THE FOUR 50 BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A SINGLE LOT CURRENTLY, UM, THAT'S JUST UNDER TWO ACRES IN SIZE, ABOUT 1.8 ACRES.
AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO DROP THIS SUBDIVISION LINE DIRECTLY BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE VERY QUICKLY IS THE SETBACK TO THESE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS WHERE 20 FEET IS REQUIRED FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO ACHIEVE APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET, UM, TO THE BUILDING.
SO THAT WAS WHAT TRIGGERED THE NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE
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ON TOP OF SEVERAL OTHER VARIANCES, AGAIN, THAT WERE ALREADY GRANTED ON THE PROJECT ITSELF.THAT INCLUDED BUILDING COVERAGE, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, ALL OF WHICH IS NONCONFORMING.
UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE VARIANCES WERE GRANTED.
UM, AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE SUBDIVISION, THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
THE BUILDINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE UTILIZED IN THE FASHION THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, THE LEFT HAND SIDE BUILDING, THE FOUR 60 BUILDING IS CURRENTLY BEING RENOVATED TO HOUSE A NISSAN DEALERSHIP.
THAT RENOVATION IS NEARING COMPLETION AND UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO OPEN SHORTLY.
AND THEN THE INTENTION IS WITH THE SUBDIVISION, THAT ALLOWS MUCH, MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SALE OF THE PARCEL, NOT JUST THE GROUND LEASE, UH, WHICH OPENS THE DOOR UP TO OTHER POTENTIAL PURCHASERS.
UH, SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY REOCCUPY THAT BUILDING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A VACANT BUILDING.
UM, THE ACCESS WOULD CONTINUE TO REMAIN THE SAME.
THE DRIVE, UH, TRA TRAVERSE THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WOULD REMAIN, UM, THERE WOULD BE A CROSS EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE GRANTED AGAIN TO MAINTAIN THAT EASEMENT FOR ACCESS TO THE BACK PORTION OF THE PRO PARKING TO THE BACK PORTION OF THE PARKING, UH, TO THE PROPERTY WHERE THE PARKING, UH, PRIMARILY EXISTS.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST AN OVERVIEW.
AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY THAT'S GREAT QUESTIONS.
AARON, YOU HAVE ONE THING IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC THERE AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE EASEMENT, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
THE SECOND ONE MORE, BUT GO AHEAD AARON.
THE SECOND RELATES TO THE FORMER LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WHEN, UM, YOU GOT IT.
IT'S JUST ABOUT TO MENTION THAT.
THE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND THE SIDE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THERE.
UH, THAT WAS A COMMITMENT MADE TO THIS COURT BEFORE WE WENT TO THE, UH, ZBA, UM, THAT LANDSCAPING WOULD BE INSTALLED AS PART OF THIS SUBDIVISION PROJECT.
DO DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY BY ANY CHANCE, DIEGO? YES, I BELIEVE I DO BEAR WITH ME ONCE WHILE HE PULLS THAT UP.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'M SORRY? IS IT LANDSCAPING FOR BOTH BUILDINGS UNTIL THE OTHER ONE IS SOLD? YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE PLAN, BUT IT DOES SPAN THE TWO LOTS BOTH IN THE FRONT AND THE REAR.
SO THIS, THIS MIGHT BE COVERED IN THE EASEMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, UH, LOT TWO IS SOLD, HOW WOULD MAINTENANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH, WHICH IT SEEMS THE LOT LINES WOULD RUN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE THE DRIVEWAY.
HOW WOULD MAINTENANCE OF THAT DRIVEWAY BE MANAGED? I'M THINKING SNOW CLEARING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO SHOULD WE INCORPORATED ANY DEED OF WHEN IT'S SOLD THE EASEMENT? OKAY.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA TAKE THE THAT QUESTION JUST BECAUSE IT WAS FIRST AND FOREMOST HERE.
THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE MANAGED WITHIN THE EASEMENT DOCUMENT ITSELF.
UM, THE EASEMENT WOULD SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO MAINTAINING THAT, UH, AS AN OPEN ACCESS DRIVEWAY TO THE BACK, BUT THEN WOULD ALSO TALK ABOUT THE SHARED MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO, WHETHER IT'S SNOW PLOWING, CLEANING, MAINTAINING IT IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S CRACKED.
UM, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT AARON SPOKE TO.
UM, AGAIN, AT THIS POINT THIS PLAN WAS DONE FOR THE OVERALL PROPERTY WHEN RAY CATINA WAS THE APPLICANT AND THEY CONTROLLED THESE BUILDINGS AS WELL IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE AS PART OF THIS OVERALL PROJECT.
NOW WE ARE REFERRING TO JUST THE FOUR 50 AND THE FOUR 60 LOTS.
THE LANDSCAPING ASSOCIATED WITH THESE TWO BUILDINGS AND THE FRONT AND THE REAR WAS NOT INSTALLED, BUT THEY WOULD BE INSTALLED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, YOUR HONOR.
CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS? 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY HARD TO TELL.
SO THE LANDSCAPING WOULD START IN THE FRONT.
WOULD IT BASICALLY TAKE THE GREEN SPACES THAT EXIST ON THE PROPERTY AND THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE AND LANDSCAPE THOSE ISLANDS IF YOU DRIVE BY 'EM.
NOW, THIS IS JUST AN OPEN SPACE, SO IT'S ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPE AREAS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AND PROVIDING, UM, JUST NEW LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT AREA.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY BROAD SORRY, ISLAND, I'M SORRY.
LANDSCAPING'S A PRETTY BROAD TERM.
ARE, ARE THESE AES, UH, SHORT SHRUBS, TALL SHRUBS? WHAT IS, SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A PLANT LIST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
SO THERE'S A COMBINATION OF GRASSES EACH, I, I'LL JUST THROW OUT SOME EXAMPLES.
THERE'S, UM, UH, A LOT OF LOWER THINGS IN THE FRONT, SPECIFICALLY MORE PERENNIAL PLANTINGS AND THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE.
AND FLOWER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TREES THAT WERE PROPOSED UP AGAINST THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UM, JUNIPER'S IS A COMBINATION IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
UM, SO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF REAL PERENNIAL PLANTINGS AND SHRUB PLANTINGS ALONG THE FRONT.
AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC PLANT LIST ON
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THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE THAT SPEAKS TO THAT DIRECTLY AND BEFORE YOU AND THE READER IS A SIMILAR THING WHERE, UM, MORE PLANTINGS WOULD BE INSTALLED, BUT THESE ARE CUTTING IN LANDSCAPED ISLANDS INTO THE PAVED AREAS RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITION.THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING BACK THERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S SEVERAL TREES THAT ARE BEING INSTALLED.
YOU SEE THE TREES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED IN EACH ISLAND, AS WELL AS THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE SUPPLEMENTED BY THOSE JUNIPERS AND SHRUBS AND OTHER THINGS.
UH, SOME PERENNIAL PLANTINGS, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE GREEN SPACE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, ONE WOULD BE IN THE, AT THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE IN FRONT OF THE TWO BUILDINGS, SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT, OF WAY OF ONE 19.
SO I JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT THAT INSTALLATION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DOT APPROVAL.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CARRIED INTO A CONDITION OF THIS BOARD'S DECISION.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO IF YOU PAN OUT, I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE LANDSCAPING SHOWN ON THIS PLAN ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT AND ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT DO NOT FALL WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE CURRENT APPLICATION.
SO THAT LANDSCAPING WOULD NOT BE INSTALLED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'M JUST, AND THE SIDEWALK IS DOT, JIM, MR. VI, THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE, DOES THAT FALL WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT OF WAY? THAT IS WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT OF WAY? CORRECT.
THAT'S FULLY WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I JUST HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD, AGAIN THE LIMITS OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ESSENTIALLY.
MY QUESTION IS THAT, UH, SO, UH, SIDEWALK IS ALREADY EXISTING, RIGHT? OR IT IS, YES, I BELIEVE SO.
SO PUTTING THE LANDSCAPING WOULD, UH, UH, NARROW THE SIDEWALK OR NO, NOT AT ALL.
THERE'S ALREADY A GRASS AREA THERE AND IT'S, IT IS, IT IS REALLY JUST ENHANCING THAT PORTION THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS A LAWN AND GRASS AREA IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS BEING ALL LANDSCAPE THAT'S THERE.
IT'S THE BACK THAT WE'RE CUTTING INTO THE ASPHALT AND ACTUALLY REMOVING PAVEMENTS TO INSTALL THE LANDSCAPE BALANCES IN THE REAR.
ANYONE ELSE? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? UH, ONE MORE.
THE LIGHTING IS THE SAME OR IT'S GOING TO BE ENHANCED OR HOW THE, THE LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY WILL, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF.
THE TWO BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
ANY LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE DONE WITH THE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDINGS AND THAT WOULD BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR ORDINANCE AND SUBJECT TO SUBJECT TO TOWN STAFF REVIEW BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
SO THIS IS JUST A DRAWING THE LINE THAT'S JUST THE LINE.
PHYSICAL SUBDIVISION? NO, YEAH.
NO OTHER PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS? CORRECT.
AND THEY, IF THERE IS IMPROVEMENTS, YOU WILL COME BACK TO US AGAIN.
UH, THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT REQUIRE PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
ANY SITE PLAN APP AND AGAIN, YES, WE'VE DISCUSSED AND AGREED TO AT THE LAST MEETING.
ANY SITE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS? DEPENDING ON THE USE GOING INTO THE BUILDING, ANYTHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL? WE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY BE BACK.
THIS IS SIMPLY FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THE TWO LAWS? CORRECT.
SO THERE'S NO ONE ON ZOOM THAT WANTS TO SPEAK AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.
NOW WOULD BE THE TIME IF ANYONE IS ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK.
IF NOT, UH, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL, WHAT WAS THAT DATE AGAIN? OCTOBER 9TH.
SO, UH, THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ON FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DECISION AT OUR OCTOBER 16TH MEETING.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE ALL SET.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO OUR LAST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING CASE.
IT IS PB 24 16 WHITE PLAINS VETERINARY HOSPITAL, 45 TERRYTOWN ROAD, UH, PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
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OKAY.UH, SO FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS STEVEN RABBLE.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF MCCULL GOLDBERG AND STOUT HERE ON BEHALF OF WHITE PLAINS VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT DR. LEE FROM THE HOSPITAL.
UH, SO YOU LAST SAW US IN AUGUST, OR ACTUALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH, UH, AT WHICH TIME WE HAD A WORK SESSION AND WE REFERRED OUT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU'LL RECALL THAT THERE WAS A LOT AREA VARIANCE REQUIRED AND FOR ANYONE JUST TUNING IN WHO MAYBE DIDN'T SEE THE WORK SESSION.
UH, THE HOSPITAL IS LOOKING TO LEASE THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT 45 TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, IT'S THE PUPPIES BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S A PUPPY MILL, UH, THAT'S ILLEGAL AND IS BEING FORCED TO, TO SHUT DOWN.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO RE-TENANT THE BUILDING WITH A SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL, WHICH AS YOU NOTED, MR. CHAIRMAN IS A SPECIAL PERMIT USE IN THE DS DISTRICT.
NO EXTERIOR SITE CHANGES ARE PROPOSED.
UH, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR REQUEST, WE HAVE FILED SOME UPDATED PLANS, UH, THAT IDENTIFY THE DOG RELIEF AREA, SHOW SOUND ATTENUATION AND AIR CONDITIONING IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXITS WITH THE EXTERIOR LIGHTS.
AND UH, I BELIEVE WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED SOME ILLUSTRATIVE SIGNAGE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE TOWN CODE, WHICH WAS THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD.
SO WE'VE OUTLINED IN WRITING, UH, OUR SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA, HOW WE MEET THEM.
UH, THE ZONING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO GRANT THE LOT AREA VARIANCE, WHICH WAS THE LAST PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE SO MUCH PUBLIC
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR FROM STAFF? THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE THE PLAN AVAILABLE JUST FOR THOSE WATCHING FROM HOME? THANK YOU.
AND I DON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
YEAH, SO I, I, I APPRECIATE THE UPDATES ON THE PLAN, UH, IN RESPONSE TO OUR LAST MEETING, UM, I, I SEE THE DOG RELIEF AREA IS NOW, UH, OUTLINED.
I, I GUESS I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW PRACTICAL THE, THE DOG RELIEF AREA IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED, BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO BE SORT OF IN AN OPEN AIR ROOM NEXT TO AN EXAM ROOM.
SO WOULD THE IDEA BE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE STAFF MEMBER WOULD, WOULD GO IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WALK THE DOG WHILE SURGERY IS BEING DONE 10 FEET AWAY FROM IT, I GUESS HOW, HOW WOULD THAT OPERATIONALIZE? YEAH, SO, UH, AGAIN, FOR ANYONE WHO, WHO MAY NOT HAVE HEARD LAST TIME AROUND, UH, THIS IS NOT A, AN OVERNIGHT KENNEL.
UH, IT'S INTENDED TO BE REALLY AN OUTPATIENT FACILITY, IF YOU WILL, FOR CATS AND DOGS.
SO THERE'S NOT AN INTENT, AN INTENTION TO HAVE LONG STAYS.
BUT IN THE EVENT THAT A DOG DOES NEED TO RELIEVE ITSELF, THERE'S UH, I BELIEVE GONNA BE A DRAIN, UH, WITHIN THE AREA.
SO IT'S, UM, IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY SELF-CONTAINED AND, AND YES, TO YOUR POINT, UH, A STAFF MEMBER OR THE OWNER IF THEY'RE THERE MM-HMM.
AND THEN ARE, ARE THERE ALSO PET RELIEF AREAS OR DOG RELIEF AREAS IN, IN THE DOG WARD? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS TO HAVE THE SAME, THE SAME ICON.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS INTENDED AS A DOG RELIEF AREA, NO.
SO THEN WHAT IS THAT OUTLINED IN THE DOG WARD? DR. LEE, I, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT'S SOME, THOSE ARE JUST THE, WELL, J JUST YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION.
I AM THE OWNER OF WHITE PLAINS VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
THOSE TWO ARE JUST KENNELS FOR BIGGER DOGS.
THAT'S AT THE TOP RIGHT OF THE FLOOR PLAN? YES.
SO, SO I MEAN, I, I GUESS IN, IN YOUR OPINION, THIS WOULD BE OPERA, YOU'D BE ABLE TO OPERATIONALIZE THIS EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN EXAM TABLE RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOG RELIEF AREA.
SO I THINK THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA REQUIRE THAT IT HAVE APPROPRIATE VENTILATION, ODOR CONTROL, AND SIMILAR FEATURES.
AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT LEVEL AS WELL.
I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PET, SO I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH A SMALL VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
BUT YOU ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO WHAT IS THE RELIEF FACILITY AT THAT LOCATION? THE RELIEF AT THE MIC, PLEASE.
UH, THE RELIEF, UH, WE RARELY, I GOTTA SAY I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR EIGHT YEARS AND DID NOT HAVE A NEED FOR THE ANIMALS TO
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USE A RELIEF AREA.ALRIGHT, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I, I WOULDN'T HAVE, I HAVE KNOWN THAT I HAVE, I HAVE JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBERING OF THE ROOMS. IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
I SEE DOG EXAM, ROOM ONE, DOG EXAM, ROOM TWO.
I SEE A CAT EXAM ROOM ONE, AND THEN I SEE JUST A GENERAL EXAM ROOM THREE AND EXAM ROOM FOUR.
AND I'M WONDERING, WELL, WHERE'S THE GENERAL EXAM ROOM ONE AND TWO? OR ARE THOSE SUPPOSED TO BE DOG ROOMS? I, I ASSUME YOU'RE USING SOME OF THEM FOR BOTH, MAYBE.
SO THOSE ARE FOR GENERAL PURPOSES.
LIKE IF A TECHNICIAN NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, CUT NAMES OR IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY AN EXAM ROOM, BUT CAN BE USED AT AN EXAM ROOM, IT'S KIND OF LEFT OPEN TO USE IT FOR MULTIPLE PURPOSES.
IT'S, IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE APPLICATION, IN MY OPINION.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SIDE OF THE, UH, DOES, THERE'S ALL THE SIGNAGE MEETS THE, UH, TOWN OF GREENBERG SIGNAGE CRITERIA? THAT WAS THE INTENTION.
UH, AND IF IT GETS TWEAKED A LITTLE OUT OF NECESSITY, I'M SURE THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED, BUT THE INTENTION AND THE DIRECTION OF THE ARCHITECT WAS TO REVIEW THE SIGN AND, UH, ELIMINATION CODE AND, AND COMPLY.
PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S A NEON LIGHTS OR JUST A BACK LIT LIGHTS.
HAVE YOU DECIDED IF YOU WANT NEON OR BACKLIT? IS IT, UH, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF VERY GLARING LIGHTS.
SO I, THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL AREA.
OH, THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, THAT'S THERE NOW WHAT IS, WHAT IS PROPOSED THEN? THEY DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE.
WE, WE HAVE, UH, AN ILLUSTRATIVE DRAWING INCLUDED IN OUR MOST RECENT SUBMISSION PACKAGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THESE ELEVATIONS.
AND AGAIN, THAT IMAGE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE THE EXISTING CONDITION.
AND IT'S THE DRAWING DOWN BELOW, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THE BOTTOM ONE IS A, IS IS THE PROPOSAL, RIGHT? WHITE PLAINS? YEAH.
AND IT'S A, AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WHAT'S IT FOR? JUST A, UH, WE HAVEN'T MADE THE SIGNAGE YET, BUT WHATEVER.
I SUPPOSE IF YOU THE BOARD HAVE A PREFERENCE, WE'RE NOT REALLY THE SIGNED AUTHORITY.
THERE IS A SIGNED CODE, ISN'T THERE? THERE IS, THERE IS.
SO AS LONG AS LIGHTING YOU MEET THE CODE, I THINK YOU'LL BE FINE.
AND YOU'LL DECIDE BASED UPON YOUR FONT AND ALL OF THAT.
AND IF NOT, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE SIGN, CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT.
AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT, SO I'M SURE YOU'LL MAKE THE SIGN, UM, COMPLY AND CORRECT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.
AND IT COMPLIES I THINK THE SAME QUESTION FOR PARKING AND CORRECT.
IT'S A, IT'S A NO CHANGE FROM THE EXISTING PARKING REQUIREMENT.
SO IT'S BEEN DEEMED THAT NO VARIANCE IS NEEDED.
ANYONE FROM THE VOLUMOUS PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? DON RUSH UP HERE.
OH, WE HAVE OUR FORMER
UM, I HAD NOT INTENDED TO SPEAK, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, UH, TODAY.
BUT AS A, UM, A PET OWNER, UH, SINCE YOU'RE NOT, UH, MR. HAY, UM, WHO ACTUALLY GOES TO DR.
LEE'S FACILITY IN WHITE PLAINS, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT, UM, LOCATION.
GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING THAN WHAT'S AT, AT HIS PRESENT LOCATION.
PROBABLY GIVES HIM MORE SPACE AND EVERYTHING.
AND SO I JUST, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
GOOD TO SEE IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, I THINK WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL, WAS IT OCTOBER 9TH? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER A DECISION AT ITS OCTOBER 16TH MEETING.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? YES.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING.
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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.UM, I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE RIGHT INTO WORK SESSION UNLESS PEOPLE NEED A BREAK.
NO, LET'S JUST DO IT, PLEASE, EVERYONE.
THIS IS NEW BUSINESS CASE NUMBER TB 24 13 BE OR BETHEL KNOWLES 55 GRASSLANDS ROAD, POY PLAINS.
IT'S A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE AND IS POTENTIAL ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
WE THOUGHT, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE EASIER 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A BIG TEAM THAT WE WOULD STAND UP HERE AND, AND NOT CROWD, CROWD THE TABLE.
BEFORE YOU BEGIN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, IN, IN, IN, IN, IN HOUSE, YOUR HONOR.
UM, WHY IS THE PLANNING BOARD GETTING A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE ON A ZONING AMENDMENT? BECAUSE THE TOWN ONLY, THE TOWN BOARD CAN PASS ZONING AMENDMENTS, AND THEN WHEN A ZONING AMENDMENT COMES THERE, THEY REFER TO US FOR, FOR WHY ARE WE GETTING THIS AT THE GET GO? GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH THE TOWN BOARD IN A PRE-SUBMISSION LIKE FASHION.
UM, AND IT WAS DECIDED UPON AT THAT TIME THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BOTH TO THE APPLICANT AND ITS TEAM, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE AWARE OF THIS PROJECT ON THE FRONT END FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IN A PRE-SUBMISSION LIKE FASHION, AND THEN DECIDE IF IT WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO THIS IS YOUR SECOND PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
FIRST TIME WITH YOU GUYS, UH, AND ONE OTHER WITH A DOWN BOARD.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW MOST OF YOU, BUT, UH, DAVID COOPER PARTNER WITH THE LAW FIRM IS AARON STEIN.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, AND I'LL, I'LL DIVE INTO THE, THE APPLICATION IN A SECOND, BUT LEMME JUST KIND OF ANSWER THE QUESTION UP FRONT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE THOUGHT AS A TEAM IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR BETHEL TO COME AND MEET WITH BOTH THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN IT WAS SUGGESTED WITH YOUR BOARD IS BEFORE PUTTING PEN TO PAPER.
YOU KNOW, BETHEL IS A NONPROFIT SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, SO IT'S, IT'S UNLIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THE TOWN AND IN THE AREA, UM, BEFORE PUTTING PEN TO PAPER, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THE TEMPERATURE, THEY TAKE THE TEMPERATURES OF BOTH BOARDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A, UH, UH, UH, RIGHT APPROVAL PATH IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
SO THAT'S WHY ESSENTIALLY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU'VE SEEN A, A FORMAL APPLICATION.
WE DID GET A, A GOOD, UH, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
NOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NO, NO COMMITMENT OR WHATSOEVER, BUT JUST GOOD FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD WANNA SEE.
AND SO BEFORE FINALIZING THE APPLICATION, WE WANTED TO MEET WITH YOUR BOARD AS WELL.
SO, UM, WITH ME TONIGHT IS, UH, ANASTASIO, MARCO POLIS, WHO'S, UH, THE, UH, FROM BETHEL, CEO OF BETHEL, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, PETER BALDWIN FROM ONE PO POINT PARTNERS, UH, WHO IS THE STRATEGIC CONSULTANT FOR BETHEL AND PATRICK, UH, MCDO FROM EV EEF, EGA ARCHITECTS, THE PROJECT ARCHITECTS, UM, MIKE FEIN FROM LANG AND ENGINEERING, WHO'S THE PROJECT ENGINEER.
COULDN'T BE WITH US TONIGHT, BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ENGINEER ON, ON STAFF AS WELL.
UM, SO JUST QUICK, QUICK BACKGROUND OF THE, OF THE USE.
SO METHYL IS A NON-FOR-PROFIT CCRC OPERATING, UH, UH, AS UNDER A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT WAS GRANTED BY THE TOWN, THAT IT'S A SPECIAL SUBSET OF, OF, OF SENIOR LIVING PROVIDERS, THE, AS AS A NONPROFIT CCRC.
AND, AND AND STASH IS WHAT'S SAY CCRC.
SO, UH, A, UM, CONTINUUM RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S CONTINUUM OF CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, UM, THAT'S DEFINED IN OUR CODE, WHICH RIGHT.
AND I'LL, I'LL LET STASH TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ACTUAL, UH, MODEL FOR THAT TYPE OF USE, UH, BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT THAN, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THE CCFS OR OTHER, UH, UH, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, BETHEL IS, IF YOU, IF YOU MAY REMEMBER THE, THE BETHEL ITSELF HAD, UH, THE KNOLLS ITSELF, EXCUSE ME, HAD, UH, ESSENTIALLY FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BETHEL AND, AND STASH, GONZAGA THROUGH, UH, HAD, HAS TAKEN OVER THE KNOWLES, STABILIZED IT, AND IN FACT SAVED SEVERAL, ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS THAT WERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR, UH, THEIR UNITS BECAUSE THERE WAS, IT WAS GONNA GO UNDER AND SOME OF THEM ARE STILL, STILL LIVING THERE NOW.
UM, NOW THAT THEY'VE STABILIZED THE OPERATIONS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE LONG TERM.
AND, UH, WE'RE HERE BEFORE THE TOWN TONIGHT, UH, BECAUSE BETHEL HAS DETERMINED THAT ADDING APPROXIMATELY 75 INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS TO THEIR OVERALL, UH, UH, COMMUNITY AND WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AS IT IS NOW AND THEN, AND THEN THE PROPOSED EXPANSION, UM, WOULD REALLY HELP THEM KEEP THE, KEEP THE USE STABILIZED AND, AND COMPETE WITH, UH, EXISTING FACILITIES, WHETHER THEY BE NON-PROFIT OR OR FOR-PROFIT IN THE AREA.
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REASON WHY WE ARE, WE WERE BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD IS AS, AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEKING A ZONING AMENDMENT OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.UM, CURRENTLY THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE IT UP ON THE SCREEN IS SPLIT ZONE HALF OF IT, ESSENTIALLY HALF OF IT'S ABOUT 14 ACRES ON, ON EITHER SIDE.
HALF OF IT IS IN THE R 40 AND HALF OF IT IS IN THE R 20.
SO THE SHADED AREA INDICATES THE R 20 PORTION.
AND THEN THIS UNSHADED AREA, WHICH IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MECHANIC LOCATED IS THE R 40 PORTION CURRENTLY ZONE.
AND SO WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE, THE SPLIT ZONING AND KIND OF THE, THE ODD ZONING, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR ZONING MAP, THIS PARCEL AS WELL AS THE, THE, THE HEBREW HOME, WHICH, WHICH THIS USED TO BE ALL ONE PARCEL, WHOOPS.
UM, IS, IS IN THE, UH, PUD UH, UH, DISTRICT.
SO LOT, LOT OF, LOT OF ZONING HAS, HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS.
UH, WHAT'S, WHAT DOES
UH, THAT IS THE R 40 AS PART OF BETHEL KNOLL'S PROPERTY.
THIS OTHER UNHIGHLIGHTED DATA PORTION IS THE R 40 E SECTION OF THEIR PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO IT, WHICH IS NOT PART OF BETHEL KNOWLES.
THAT IS, UH, UH, GROVE VALHALLA, UH, THAT'S A HEALTHCARE CENTER.
LONG TIME AGO, BEFORE BETHEL KNOLLS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THIS WAS ONE LARGE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH MAY BE SOME OF THE REASONS THE ZONING'S KIND OF FUNKY, KIND OF HAS, HAS, HAS, HAS MORPHED OVER TIME.
UM, SO, UH, THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF YOUR ANSWER, BUT, BUT THE DOTTED LINE IS BASICALLY YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE PROPERTY, THAT'S THE FULL PROPERTY.
IN TWO SEGMENTS THAT AREN'T VERY CONTIGUOUS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, SO THE THOUGHT WAS AFTER WORKING WITH STAFF THROUGH HOW TO ACHIEVE THE MOST, WHAT, WHAT I CALL THE, THE NEATEST REZONING OF THIS AREA IS TO REZONE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY INTO THE R 30.
UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE ENOUGH DENSITY, UH, FOR THE IL TO, TO, UH, TO EXPAND TO THE 75 UNITS.
BUT IT ALSO WOULD LIMIT THE, THE FUTURE DEVELOPABILITY OF ALL, UM, BECAUSE RATHER THAN, SAY REZONING TO THE R 20, R 15 WITH THE R 30, YOU ARE, YOU ARE LIMITING THE, THE AMOUNT.
AND THE, THE PURPOSE HERE IS NOT TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SEGMENT IT AND SAY, OKAY, OKAY, GET SOME NOW AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
THE PURPOSE IS, IS TO, UH, OPEN IT UP SO THAT THEY CAN EXPAND AS IT IS TODAY.
SO, UM, QUESTION, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR.
SO HOW DOES THIS, THESE DRAWINGS RELATE TO THAT? WELL, WE'LL, I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT NEXT, LET ME KICK IT OVER TO, UH, YEAH, LET ME KICK IT OVER TO, TO PETE AND THEN, UH, AND PATRICK, UH, TO TAKE YOU THROUGH BOTH, UH, THE REASONING FOR THIS AND THEN THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE GOT, THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THAT WE'VE GOT.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE GO, KIND OF GO INTO THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO EXPAND UPON THE PURPOSE AND REASON, THIS CRCS, UM, TYPICALLY ARE LOOKING FOR AISLE EXPANSION BECAUSE IN THE FACT, I'M SORRY, LOOKING FOR WHAT? EXPANSION? INDEPENDENT LIVING EXPANSION.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UH, THEY ACTUALLY, THIS, IT'S ARTICLE FOUR SIX LICENSED CCRC, WHICH THERE'S ONLY 12 IN THE, IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A, IT'S AN AMAZING, UM, UH, RESOURCE TO HAVE BECAUSE THAT, THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO COME IN AN INDEPENDENT LIVING, UH, CAPACITY MOVE TO ASSISTED LIVING IN THE SKILLED IN MEMORY CARE.
AND THAT'S LICENSED IN NEW YORK STATE AND REGULATED BY NEW YORK STATE.
SO IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A UNICORN TO HAVE ONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY 12 IN ALL OF THE STATE IN NEW YORK.
UH, THEY'RE ALL NON-PROFIT, AND THEY GO THROUGH A PRETTY STRICT RE UH, REGIMEN OF REGULATIONS AND, UH, THROUGH DFS, DEPARTMENT OF FEDERAL SERVICES AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
SO THIS IS VERY MUCH A DIFFERENT BUSINESS PLAN, DIFFERENT DELIVERABLE, DIFFERENT COMMUNITY THAN YOU WOULD HAVE FOR A, FOR-PROFIT.
SO I WANNA MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS, AND I WON'T GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS OF THIS, BUT I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE BOARD HAS APPRECIATION OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE EXPANSION.
THE, THIS IS A LI LIFE INSURANCE POLICY.
SO RESIDENTS PAY AN ENTRANCE FEE TO, INTO THE COMMUNITY AND AN ENTRANCE FEE CARRIES THEM THROUGH ALL THOSE LEVELS OF CARE.
AND EACH MONTH THERE'S A, A NOMINAL, UH, SERVICES FEE JUST, UH, FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE AND, AND OTHER ITEMS. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, HEALTHCARE COSTS HAVE RISEN, NOTHING'S GOTTEN LESS EXPENSIVE, AND WE WANT TO MAINTAIN NOT INCREASING THOSE RATES FOR RESIDENTS THO THOSE MONTHLY SERVICE FEES.
SO THE WAY TO DO THAT IS SH, SHARED COSTS ECONOMY OF SCALE, UM, BETHLE KNOWS IS NOT UNIQUE IN THIS.
UM, MY FIRM, ONE POINT, WE ARE DEVELOPER CONSULTANTS, UH, FOR NOTHING BUT NON-PROFIT CRCS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
WE DON'T WORK FOR, FOR PROFIT.
IT'S ALL NON-PROFIT COMMUNITIES, JUST LIKE STS.
SO, UH, WE ARE EXPERIENCING THIS ACROSS THE BOARD WITH INCREASED COSTS OF HEALTHCARE AND FOOD.
THAT INDEPENDENT LIVING MODEL, INCREASING THAT NUMBER OF ECONOMY SCALES, WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS PLAN'S BEING PROPOSED.
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IL UNITS? YEAH, SO, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF, OF, UM, UM, OF BETHEL NOLES IS THEY'RE ALSO ONE OF THE LESSER EXPENSIVE ENTRANCE FEES IN THIS COMMUNITY.UM, WE HAVE SOME SLIDES AND SOME INFORMATION THAT INDICATES HOW THE ENTRANCE FEES ARE MUCH LOWER THAN PURCHASE COLLEGE, OTHER, OTHER LOCAL CRCS.
UM, SO, UM, WHAT IS THE ENTRANCE FEE? UM, SHOW YOU THAT HERE.
YEAH, IT DEPENDS ON APARTMENT SIZE.
DIFFERENT SIZE OF THE RANGE FROM 700 SQUARE FEET, UM, GOING UP TO ABOUT 1300.
UM, SO AT BETHEL KNOWS, IT RANGES FROM ABOUT 178,000 TO, UH, 750 IN COMPARISON TO BRADFORD CO PURCHASE COLLEGE.
THE LOWEST ENTRANCE FEE I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH TO SEE IS JUST UNDER 600,000 AND GOES UP TO 2.3 MILLION AT THE OSBORNE, IT'S 617,000 UP TO 1.7 MILLION AT KENDALL HUDSON.
THESE NUMBERS ARE A YEAR OR TWO OLD.
SO IT GIVES YOU A FLAVOR OF, OF THE SCALE.
AND ARE THE UNITS COMPARABLY SIZED BETWEEN THE FACILITIES? THEY ARE COMPARABLY SIZED.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME VARIATIONS THAT, I MEAN, WE, WE MAY HAVE A 15 AND 150 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE A 1650, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY CLOSE.
SO IF I, YOU ARE GONNA BE SERVICING BASICALLY BABY BOOMER TAIL END OF BABY BOOMER GENERATION FOR NOW.
'CAUSE I MEAN THAT WAS THE ONE OF THE LARGEST POPULATIONS.
AND, AND, AND THAT INFLUX OF BABY BOOMERS AND RETIREES, WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE END OF THAT WAVE.
THAT WAVE IS STILL CRESTING, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT.
THAT IS A HUGE DEMAND FOR SENIOR LIVING AND THIS KIND OF HEALTHCARE THAT TAKES 'EM FROM INDEPENDENT LIVING THROUGH, UH, SKILLED NURSING.
JUST ARE YOU LOOKING TO BUILD MORE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS? CORRECT, SIR.
AND, AND WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE ALSO ADDING AMENITY SPACE.
UM, ADDING WHAT AMENITY SPACE SPECIFICALLY? UH, QUITE HONESTLY, A LARGE GATHERING ROOM.
'CAUSE THE, THE CURRENT CAMPUS DOESN'T HAVE A ROOM SIZE ENOUGH EVEN FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS.
SO I TAKE IT YOU WANT TO ADD THE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS IN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED? YEAH.
THAT TOP, LET'S, LET'S GO TO, THAT'S WOODS.
PATRICK CAN WALK THROUGH THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS WE SEE IT NOW.
WHY DON'T WE GET TO THE HEART OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE THE PLAN IMPOSED ON WHAT'S THERE NOW.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, THIS IS THE EXISTING CAMPUS.
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE MIC FOR, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HOLD IT.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST, YOU HAVE TO PICK THE WHOLE THING UP.
THE EXISTING CAMPUS INCLUDES BOTH OF THESE PORTIONS THAT ARE ZONED SEPARATELY.
EVEN THOUGH THE TOP RIGHT NOW IS WOODED UNDEVELOPED.
SO THE, THE BULK, THE ENTIRETY OF THE EXISTING BUILT OUT AREA IS IN THE, IN THE R 40 ZONE OVER HERE.
BUT THE, THE BETHEL KNOLLS ENCOMPASSES BOTH PORTIONS OF THE PARCEL.
THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HEAVILY WOODED AND YOU GUYS ARE FROM HERE, YOU SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE TOPOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGES.
THIS IS A PARTICULARLY STEEP AND WOODED AREA.
THIS IS ALSO STEEP, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED FOR VARIOUS USES OVER TIME AND IS MUCH MORE, IT'S LESS STEEP AND MORE DEVELOPABLE.
SO NORTH TO THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THIS IS GRASSLANDS ROAD, UM, HERE, EXISTING CAMPUS.
UM, IS THIS BASICALLY CONTIGUOUS BUILDING? THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN OF THE THINGS.
OKAY, SO, SO WE'VE SORT OF THIS, WHEN YOU SAY CONTIGUOUS, IT HAS A SHARED DRIVEWAY IT LOOKS LIKE.
THE BUILDING IS ONE, ONE CONTIGUOUS BUILDING.
THERE'S NO OUT BUILDINGS, THERE'S NO SEPARATE, IT'S ALL CONTE, UH, CONNECTED INTERNALLY.
UH, SO THERE'S JUST A SERIES OF CORRIDORS THAT CONNECTS ALL OF DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND AGAIN, GRASSLANDS ROAD IS UP HERE, SO NORTH IS NOW TO THE TOP OF THE SHEET INSTEAD OF TO THE LEFT EXISTING CAMPUS IS SHOWN IN GRAY.
WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITION THAT SORT OF COMES DOWN THE HILL TOWARDS GRASSLAND ROAD.
AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT FROM GRASSLAND ROAD UP TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF KNOWS IS ROUGHLY A SIX STORY TOPOGRAPHICAL CHANGE.
IT'S ROUGHLY 60 FEET, 60 TO 70 FEET OF GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN HERE.
SO THERE'S SOME REAL CHALLENGES, UM, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND IT'S PARTICULARLY RELEVANT BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A, AN ELDERLY POPULATION THAT HAVE SOME MOBILITY ISSUES.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM TRAVEL LONG DISTANCES IF
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YOU CAN HELP IT.UM, SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT ADDS INDEPENDENT LIVING AS CLOSE TO THE EXISTING AS WE CAN SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITY SPACE AND GREEN, WHICH IS THAT MULTIPURPOSE ROOM AND SOME ADDITIONAL DINING EXPANSION WITHIN THAT SORT OF CONFINES OF THE EXISTING PROJECT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE DARK GREEN ON THAT? RIGHT.
SO BECAUSE THIS PROJECT STEPS DOWN THE HILL AND, AND IS TRYING TO MATCH UP WITH THE EXISTING PROJECT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A, A TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING, THAT ALSO STEPS DOWN THE HILL.
SO THE, THE DARKER GRAY IS SORT OF UPHILL AND THEN WHERE THE LIGHTER GRAY IS, THE BUILDING STEPS DOWN, BUT STAYS TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
SO WE ARE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR.
THE GREEN IS A, ESSENTIALLY A THREE AND A HALF STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE BLUE IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN CONNECT TO THE EXISTING AT THE LEVELS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE SO THE RESIDENTS CAN MOVE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, PATRICK, THERE'S A SECTION THAT WILL SHOW SOME OF THAT ELEVATION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THAT.
SO WHY, WHY DON'T YOU WITH YOUR FINGER, SHOW US WHERE THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE GOING.
SO I'M GONNA PULL THESE OFF SO THEY'RE FACING THE SAME DIRECTION NOW.
SO YOU CAN SEE STAND ON ONE FOOT.
THE GRAY PORTION IS THE PORTION THAT YOU SEE, SEE HERE.
SO THIS WING HERE IS THIS WING HERE.
AND SO THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE GOING THIS DIRECTION TOWARDS GRASSLANDS ROAD.
SO THAT GREEN SECTION WOULD BE ROUGHLY HERE AND THE BLUE SECTION WOULD BE A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LIGHT GRAY AND THE DARK WAY IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE IT STEPS DOWN WITH THE EXISTING GRAY.
YEAH, IF YOU WANNA HOLD UP THE SECTION AT THE BOTTOM THERE.
SO YES, SO THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, THIS IS THE MAIN, AT THE LEVEL OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE UP HERE, IT STEPS DOWN A LEVEL WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO STEP DOWN THE HILL WITH OUR NEW PROPOSED BUILDING AS WELL.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE THREE AND A HALF STORY BUILDING IS ROUGHLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT.
IT'S THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE NEVER TALLER THAN ANY OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AND NOTHING IN THE, UM, GREEN SPACE, THE WOODED AREA.
AND SO ON, ON THE EAST OF THE DIAGRAM, ARE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR, THERE ARE A SERIES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN HERE, INCLUDING ONE THAT ESSENTIALLY SORT OF STICKS INTO THE PROPERTY AND WE CAN GO THROUGH, THERE'S AN ENLARGED AREA OF THE PLAN.
I CAN SHOW SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE, UM, THE SETBACKS.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE COMING EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR A, A SERIES OF VARIANCES FOR THIS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THE, UM, THE ONE OF THEM IS, IS A SETBACK CHALLENGE.
THERE'S A 75 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS THE RED LINE ON HERE.
UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING ONLY HAS A ROUGHLY 35 FOOT SETBACK FROM WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE MATCH THAT, WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN THE 75 THAT'S ALLOWED, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY NARROWS DOWN PRETTY DRAMATICALLY AT THAT END.
THE NUMBER OF STORIES IN HEIGHT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE.
AND AS I EXPLAINED, MAYBE NOT CLEARLY ENOUGH, WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH UP WITH THAT EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS FARTHER UP THE HILL.
SO THE CHALLENGE OF GETTING THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FROM THE NEW BUILDING INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING MATCHING UP WITH THOSE STORIES IS FAIRLY IMPORTANT.
HOW MANY UNITS DO YOU WANT TO ADD? 75.
AND THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, GREEN OR BLUE THERE? IT'S ALL, IT'S ONE CONTINUOUS BUILDING, CONTIGUOUS BUILDING.
IT'LL ALL END UP BEING ONE CONTIGUOUS BUILDING, BUT IT, IT STEPS DOWN THE HILL JUST LIKE THE EXISTING BUILDING DOES.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE, UH, SHOWN ON THE EXISTING SITE PLAN? IT IS DEMOLISHED.
AND WHAT IS THAT BUILDING? IT'S CURRENTLY USED FOR AN ADULT DAYCARE PROGRAM ON CAMPUS THAT'S PART OF BETHEL'S SERVICES.
AND THOSE SERVICES ARE GONNA BE DONE DONE IN AUSTIN? YEAH, WE WOULD MOVE IT TO OUR CAMPUS IN AUSTIN.
SO ARE THOSE PEOPLE FROM THIS FACILITY THAT USE THAT SERVICE? NO, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY COME FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THEY GET TRANSPORTED ON A DAILY BASIS.
IT'S A ADULT DAYCARE, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL OVER WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
WE WOULD JUST TRANSPORT THEM TO AUSTIN INSTEAD OF THE HOLLOW.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD, JUST SHOW US SOME COMPARISONS WITH OTHER EXISTING FACILITIES.
YOU'VE MENTIONED, UM, THAT THEY HAVE LARGER, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING POPULATIONS.
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YOU KNOW, THAT YOU REALLY NEED THE 75.I BELIEVE THE DEMAND IS THERE.
UM, FOR ME, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS IS THE, THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENCES, AND PARTICULARLY THAT ONE WHO'S LOCKED CUTS INTO YOUR PROPERTY WHEN LOOKING AT IT, UM, ONLINE.
IT'S JUST OPEN GRASS RIGHT NOW.
AND NOW THEY'RE SEEING THE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, WHICH IS KIND OF A CHARMING LOOKING BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA GO TO A TWO AND A HALF TO THREE AND A HALF STORY BUILDING.
HOW CAN WE SHIELD THAT, UH, VIEW, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY AND IF THERE ARE OTHER HOMES, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN BETWEEN THE OTHER HOMES, BUT IT WOULD BE, I, I WANT TO KIND OF SEE A VIEW FROM THERE.
WE WOULD PRESENT A SERIES OF RENDERINGS THAT SHOW, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOW YOU APPROXIMATELY WHAT THE EXISTING RESIDENT WOULD SEE LOOKING UP THE HILL SOURCE
AND AS THE POINT OF INFORMATION WE DID STAKE OUT IN THE CORNERS OF THE PROPOSED EXPANDED BUILDING.
SO ON SITE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S STAKES LOCATED IN DIFFERENT CORNERS OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS WELL STAKES AND GRASS AREAS AND, AND SURVEY NAILS AND ASPHALT AREAS.
AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PLANS THAT YOU, THAT WE COULD, UM, MORE THAN WILLING TO WALK THE, THE PLANNING BOARDS THROUGH THE SITE AND SHOW THEM THE PROPOSED CORNERS AND HOW THAT LAYS OUT.
UH, I WALKED IT THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS PATRICK, THE ADULT DAYCARE, UH, OUR BUILDING FOR THIS BUILDING CORNER IS DOWNHILL TO CLOSE TO THAT NEIGHBOR IS ACTUALLY FURTHER BACK THAN ADULT DAYCARE.
IT'S ONLY, IT'S ABOUT 10 FEET BACK.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING STATING IT'S 50 A HUNDRED FEET BACK, IT'S JUST, JUST ENOUGH ROOM.
BUT WE WERE REALLY SENSITIVE ABOUT GOING FURTHER DOWN THE HILL WITH THE EXPANSION.
THAT'S WHY PATRICK SP SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TRYING TO WORK WITH THE ELEVATIONS AND THE CHANGE SO THAT WE'RE, WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP FROM GOING DOWN.
I LOVE SEE SUPERIMPOSED ON THE EXISTING DRAWING.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME BACK JUST YEAH.
TO DE TO UH, MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO IS THAT THE, THE PORTION, THE, THE PROPOSED PORTION OF THE, THE, THE NEW BUILDING, THAT BLUE SECTION IS FULLY COMPLIANT WITH YOUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT'S A TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING.
IT MEETS THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THE SORT OF EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE, BOTH THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE PRIMARILY IMPACTED BY SOMETHING THAT IS GENERALLY SPEAKING OTHER THAN THE SETBACK WITHIN YOUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND THE VIEW FROM GRASSLANDS ROAD WOULD BE OF A BUILDING PRIMARILY THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR ZONING APP OR REGULATIONS.
I THINK LESLIE, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE AND I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS BOARD ALSO LOOKS AT IS SUSTAINABILITY.
AND IN THIS CASE I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR AS SAYING RESILIENCY.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER CONSIDERING THAT IT WOULD BE MAYBE A VULNERABLE POPULATION, UM, THE RESILIENCY IN CASE YOU KNOW, HOW OUR WEATHER HAS BEEN.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TO PUT IN THERE.
CERTAINLY THESE, THESE COMMUNITIES GENERALLY SPEAKING HAVE FAIRLY ROBUST EMERGENCY GENERATORS.
THEY HAVE PLANS IN PLACE TO SHELTER THE RESIDENTS FOR PERIODS OF TIME AS APPROPRIATE TO BE ABLE TO FEED THEM AT THOSE TIMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND ONE PART OF THE PROJECT TOO IS TO RENOVATE THEIR CURRENT WELLNESS CENTER, UM, TO ADD ACTIVITIES AND TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE RESIDENTS TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THEIR, THEIR UM, MOBILITY, PROVE THEIR MOTOR SKILLS.
UM, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS HAVING A LARGE MEETING ROOM IS, IS IMPORTANT FOR A COMMUNITY, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GATHER AS ONE SINGLE COMMUNITY ON, ON A MONTHLY BASIS AT A MINIMUM TO MEET THEIR NEIGHBORS.
TO HAVE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY IS BIG PART OF THIS AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU'LL FIND NO FINER, UH, FACILITY OR COMMUNITIES THAT THE NON-PROFIT CCRC, UM, EXCEL AT THAT.
AND WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY GENER, JUST ASKING IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, GENERATORS, UM, THAT THEY'RE SELF-CONTAINED, MEANING YOU WILL HAVE MAYBE SOME SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS, SOLAR, UM, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE SORT OF A LITTLE TOO EARLY IN THE PROJECT.
WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS JUST ABOUT WE, WE LOVE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ONE.
AND ONE THING I'LL SAY THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY WAS BUILT IN THE LATE NINETIES, RIGHT? UM, THE BUILDING CODE IN TERMS OF ENERGY USAGE, SORT OF INDOOR AIR QUALITY, ALL ALL MANNER OF THINGS HAVE HAVE IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY SINCE THAT TIME.
SO THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE OF, OF A SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED BOTH IN TERMS OF ITS ENERGY USE, UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE GENERAL, UH, QUALITY OF, OF, OF MECHANICAL INDOOR AIR AND WHATNOT.
SUSTAINABILITY ITEMS AS WELL, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE, THE GENERATION OF, OF THE CODE, OF THE EXISTING CODE OR SOON TO BE EXISTING CODE.
UM, I ASSUME IF, IF THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO GO FORWARD, THEY'RE GONNA APPLY TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR ZONING CODE AMENDMENT
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AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA REFER TO US, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.BUT HOW ABOUT THE SITE PLAN? IS THAT A WHOLE SEPARATE APPLICATION IF FROM WHEN THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT IS APPROVED? SO IT CAN BE, UM, IT DEPENDS AND I WOULD ACTUALLY DEFER TO THE APPLICANT.
TYPICALLY YOU NEED TO, WELL YOU NEED TO GET THE ZONING APPLIED OR MODIFIED IN THIS INSTANCE BEFORE GOING FORWARD WITH SITE PLAN.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT WORKS.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS A PERMIT GRANTED BY THE TOWN BOARD, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE WE PROBABLY WOULD PETITION AND ALSO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN APPLICATION AT THE SAME TIME, PRESUMING THAT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH ENGINEERING, ET CETERA, READY TO DO THAT AS THE ZONING PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
SO THE, SO THAT THE SECRET REVIEW WOULD, WOULD COVER IT.
SO ALSO YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD ALSO, 'CAUSE I'M PRESUMING THAT TOWN BOARD WOULD WANT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT KIND OF BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH.
WE'LL GIVE YOU BOTH BOARDS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TIME WITH IT.
SO, SO NOW MY NEXT QUESTION, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA GET TO IT EVENTUALLY TONIGHT, BUT FRANKLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IS BETTER.
WHY DO YOU NEED THE R 30? WHY DOESN'T THE R 40 WORK FOR YOU? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL.
YEAH, SO WHY CAN'T YOU BUILD THE 75 UNITS WITH THE CURRENT ZONING? YEAH, SO UN UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND IT, IT DEPENDS ON, ON HOW YOU APPLY SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE MATH WITHIN, WITHIN THE CODE.
BUT UNDER THE, UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, UNDER OUR MATH IT'S 143 UNITS TOTAL.
A LIL RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT WHAT'S A LI, UH, A AL IS ASSISTED LIVING, IL IS INDEPENDENT LIVING.
AND COULD YOU, COULD YOU LIKE FORGET THE INITIALS FOR THE, IT JUST, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT SO MANY TIMES OVER THESE, IF I FIGURE ABOUT
SO, SO ASSISTED, WELL INDEPENDENT LIVING IS, IS LESS SERVICES, ASSISTED LIVING IS MORE SERVICES YOU GO THROUGH.
UM, SO YOU SAID WHAT 1 40, 1 43 IS ONE 40.
WHAT'S ALLOWABLE WITH THE, BETWEEN THE R 20 IN R 40 SPLIT AND 95? RIGHT.
ESSENTIALLY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT, WE'RE AT, UM, ONE WE HAVE 120 INDEPENDENT LIVING AND THEN 10 WE HAVE 10 ASSISTED LIVING AND WE HAVE 20 SKILLED NURSING.
AND THE SKILLED MISSION DOESN'T APPLY TO THE UNIT NUMBERS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 130, OUR ZONING ALLOWS 143, SO WE COULD BUILD 13, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, 13 UNITS IS ENOUGH SCALE TO REALLY GO THROUGH A CONSTRUCTION FINANCING BUILD, ADD THOSE WELLNESS, UH, AMENITIES AND THE, AND THE, UM, MULTIPURPOSE ROOM.
SO, SO INITIALLY WE HAD, WE HAD PROPOSED R 20 BECAUSE HALF OF IT'S R 20.
AND I THINK IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH TOWN BOARD WITH THE STAFF, THE THOUGHT WAS REZONE IT TO R 30 THE ENTIRE SITE BECAUSE THAT WAY THE R 20 YOU'D GET, YOU'D GET A LOT MORE DENSITY.
THAT'S, LEMME JUST STOP YOU FOR A SECOND.
LOOK, R 40 MEANS TO, AND I'M NO ZONING EXPERT AS YOU MAY HAVE GATHERED, R 40 MEANS TO ME THAT IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
WHICH IS ALMOST AN ACRE LESS DENSE.
SO I CAN'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE R 40 RELATES TO INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE COMPLICATIONS OF THE MATH AND IT MIGHT BE MOST OF THAT.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS HOW YOU GET TO 123 UNITS ON THE R 40 ZONING? LIKE REALLY SIMPLE? YEP.
SO, SO YOU, SO THE CCRC REGULATIONS SAYS THE NUMBER OF AL AND IL UNITS IS BASED UPON THE MINIMUM LOT AREA OF, UH, OF, OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE IT'S IN THE R 20 PORTION, IT'D BE 20,000 SQUARE FEET, AND IN THE R 40 IT'D BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOUR CODE KIND OF TIES IT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MATH OR DENSITY MATH AND THEN APPLIES IT TO A-C-C-R-C OR SENIOR LIVING, UM, MODEL MODEL AND IT, IT, IT DOESN'T WORK SO WELL.
WELL WHAT WHAT IT DOES IN YOUR ZONING IS IT TAKES THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING AS YOU REFERENCED, RIGHT.
AND YOU COME OUT WITH THAT NUMBER, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T SUPPORT ANY KIND OF DENSITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR IL, BUT YOU HAVE A THREE, THREE TIMES MULTIPLIER IN YOUR ZONING LANGUAGE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT, HOW THAT'S HOW YOU MODIFY YOUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING CODE TO FIT, UH, UH, THE CCRC.
SO A MULTIPLIER BY THREE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO INSTEAD OF R 40, IT'S REALLY R 13
PATRICK, GO THAT ROUTE WITH IT.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY ACRES DO YOU HAVE? 29.
AND IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT 14 ON, ON EITHER THE R 20 AND THE R 40.
IT'S ALMOST, IT'S ALMOST SPLIT.
SO WE HAVE 14 IN THAT SECTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
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SO YOU'RE COMBINING THE ONE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING BUT IT, IT'S ALL ONE LOT.IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN TWO ZONES.
SO YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT TO INCREASE THE DENSITY ON THIS SIDE, BUT YOU, YOU CAN, BUT IN, IN THE R 40 IT ACT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A DECREASE BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU R FOUR R 45 20.
SO IN THE R 40 IT'S THREE TIMES THE R 30.
IT'S WHAT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL THREE TIMES.
IT'S JUST THREE TIMES THE UNDERLYING ALLOWED ZONING.
SO YOU GOT MORE R THIRTIES IN YOUR SPACE THAN OUR, OKAY.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AS A, AS A WHOLE SITE, WHICH IT IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ODDLY SPLIT WITH TWO R VS, YOU'RE ALLOWED WITH THE TRIP WITH, WITH A THREE TIMES MULTIPLIER, 143 UNITS ON THIS CAMPUS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE 130 I INDEPENDENT LIVING AND I ALMOST SAID THAT INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING TOTAL.
SO IT ONLY ALLOWS 13 TO BE BUILT.
NOW THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN, WHEN TALKING THIS THROUGH WITH STAFF, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WALKED THROUGH THIS, THIS PRETTY COMPLICATED ZONING.
WE WANTED TO GET STAFF'S OPINION INTERPRETATION THOUGHTS.
UM, STAFF ALSO NOTED THAT THERE'S A TWO TIMES MULTIPLIER IF YOUR CAMPUS IS ADJOINING TO AN EXISTING, UH, HEALTHCARE, WHICH WE ARE GROVE OF.
VALHALLA IS ADJOINING CAMPUS, WE SHARE OUR DRIVE, IT'S ADJOINING.
SO THAT MULTIPLIER ACTUALLY HELPS BUMPS IT INTO THAT, UH, DENSITY THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN ACHIEVE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE MATH, AND I THINK I'M RECORDING THIS, SO, AND MAYBE LATER ON DAVID WILL CORRECT ME.
I, THE CURRENT ZONING WITH THE R THREE, R 20, R 40, IF YOU TAKE THE THREE MULTIPLIER AND THE TWO MULTIPLIER, THAT'S THAT THE STAFF MADE US AWARE OF.
WE DON'T NEED A ZONING PETITION.
WE HAVE THE DENSITY, WE COULD BUILD IT AS IS, BUT IT'S BEEN SUCH A COMPLICATED ZONING SITE.
I THINK TOWN STAFF WAS ASKING FOR US TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE IT MORE AS, AS A CLEAN OF A, OF OUR 30 SITE OVERALL, WHICH HONESTLY ACTUALLY REDUCES OUR CAPACITY A LITTLE BIT.
IT ACTUALLY BRINGS OUR DENSITY LEVEL DOWN, BUT IT'S STILL PLENTY FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH THE PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.
WHY IS IT COMPLICATED? IT LOOKS SIMPLE TO ME.
WELL IN THAT DOTTED LINE IT'S R 20 AND THAT DOTTED LINE, IT'S R 40 BECAUSE WE'RE APPLYING.
SO IF WE, IF IF WE ALL, IF IF BETHEL KNOWLES WAS ONLY ON THE R 40 ZONE, THE MATH WOULD BE, I MEAN JUST ONE, ONE EQUATION, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S ON, IT'S ON.
SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO THE MULTIPLIER TIMES THE, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET IN THIS SECTION AND THIS SECTION DIVIDE BY THE 20,000 OR THE, WELL IF I'M, IF I'M QUITE HONEST ABOUT THIS, IF, IF YOU, IF THE, IF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD SAYS THERE'S NO NEED TO REZONE IT, KEEP THE R 40 AND R 20, YOU'VE GOT THE DENSITY.
IF YOU HAD TO MULTIPLIER THREE FOR, UH, UH, CCRC AND TWO BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN IN JOINT HEALTHCARE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO NO REASON FOR A ZONING PETITION, QUITE HONESTLY.
WELL THEN YOU'D STILL BE STUCK WITH THE PUD RIGHT.
I'M SORRY, I DO HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION.
CURRENTLY, WHEN YOU DECIDE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU'RE TAKING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
INCLUDING THE UNDEVELOPED R 20 PORTION? CORRECT.
MY FEELING IS IF YOU COULD DO YOUR PROPOSAL WITHOUT A ZONING AMENDMENT, THEN WE DON'T NEED A ZONING AMENDMENT.
IT DOESN'T REFLECT ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD, BUT I THINK, UH, AMANDA HAS SOME KIND OF, UH, ADVANTAGE TO CHANGING IT.
SO THE R 20 R 40 WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A P, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THE IDEA IS TO CLEAN UP THE PRIOR, UM, PLAN UNDER THE P TO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PRACTICAL AND EASIER TO CALCULATE, PUTTING IT AS ONE ZONE, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE R 20 AND R 40, WHICH WOULD BE R 30.
AND IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTIES WAS I THINK WAS STAFF DISCUSSION.
IT, IT, IT IS QUITE COMPLICATED.
THE ZONING OF THE SITE IN TOTALITY.
AND IT WOULD COMPLETELY CLEAN UP THAT ZONING BY HAVING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY SIMPLY ZONED ARTHUR.
THIS MATT, I, WHAT IS THE GROVE? WANNA MAKE A QUICK NOTE? THANK YOU.
UM, RELATED TO THAT PROVISION ABOUT DOUBLING THE INDEPENDENT LIVING BASED ON HAVING ADJOINING, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL HEALTHCARE FACILITY THAT HAS A CAP ON THE SIZE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL, UH, INDEPENDENT DWELLING, INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS OF 1000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE SIZING OF THOSE UNITS.
I KNOW IT WAS A CONSIDERATION IF YOU WANTED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT OR, UH, THANK YOU, MATT.
YEAH, SO, SO I, I THINK PATRICK HAD HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME ZONING VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD NEED, RIGHT? RATHER THAN, THAN PETITIONING TO CHANGE A LOT OF THE, THESE UNDERLYING REQUIREMENTS AND HAVE ANOTHER MORE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
WE, WE, WE DECIDED AFTER IN CONSULTATION WITH THE STAFF THAT WE WOULD GO SEEK VARIANCES IF THE
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ZONING'S PUT IN PLACE AND, UM, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THERE'S A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LIMIT ON INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS UNDER THE CCRC, UM, WHICH IS REGULATIONS FROM THE NINETIES WHEN THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MARKET SIZE OF INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS.IT'S NO LONGER, THAT'S NO LONGER REFLECTIVE OF, OF THE MARKET.
AND SO WE THINK IF WE, IF WE GET TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE A GOOD RECORD AND A GOOD CASE FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE, THE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS THAT WE BE REQUIRED.
THIS TABLE HERE SHOWS THE VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD BE SEEKING.
I KNOW IT'S REALLY SMALL, UM, BUT THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW SECTIONS WOULD BE THE, THE VARIANCES WE'D BE SEEKING.
SO, I MEAN, PATRICK TALKED ABOUT, WHOOPS, THE SEC BACK, WHICH IS THE FIRST ITEM NUMBER OF STORIES.
UM, ALSO THE, UM, FAR IS 0.1, IS 0.23 AND 7.18.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AT THE BOTTOM A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHAT'S IN THE ZONING, WHICH IS, UH, VERY, VERY MINIMALISTIC, UH, COMPARED TO COMPARATIVELY, RIGHT? AND, AND WHAT IS, I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBERS.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL? UH, 1700 SQUARE FEET.
HONESTLY, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE LARGEST UNIT, BUT WE FIGURED, LET'S JUST MAKE IT CLEAN AND SAY 1700 SQUARE FEET.
THE, THE FOUR PLANS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, MAKE SURE I DID LIST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH OF INDIVIDUAL GEO.
I THINK THE LARGEST ONE WAS 1600 OR HIGH, 15 HUNDREDS, BUT THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THOSE, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE MAX.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE UNDER A THOUSAND, BUT JUST, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE GONNA BE LARGER BECAUSE IN THE MARKET THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT THAT ARE LONGER.
YOU DEFINITELY WANT A RANGE OF INVENTORY BECAUSE SOME RESIDENTS WANT AND CAN AFFORD A LARGER UNIT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE BEDROOMS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT, 700 FEET SQUARE FEET, 700 SQUARE FEET, ONE BEDROOM, 700 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE ONE BEDROOM WITH A DEN, IT, IT COMES ALMOST A 900, WHICH IS OUR MOST POPULAR UNIT.
UM, BUT THERE ARE, I THINK, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE HAVE ONES THAT ARE 1400 SQUARE FEET THAT ARE VERY POPULAR COMING OUTTA YOUR HOME.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO PEOPLE TO MOVE, BUT IT'S STILL GOT A CLEAN 1400
YOU SEE ON THIS CHART IN THIS CORNER, THERE'S 15 ONE BEDROOMS, 36, 2 BEDROOMS UP TO 75.
SO THERE'S 41 THAT ARE ONE BEDROOM OR TWO BEDROOM, AND THERE'S TEN TWO BEDROOM DENS.
UH, TWO BEDROOM, OR I THINK IT'S TWO BEDROOM DELUXE, SEVEN TWO BEDROOM DENS, AND THEN SEVEN TWO BEDROOM DEN DELUXE.
SO THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ON THE SMALLER END OF THE SCALE.
THERE ARE 27 OR 24 OF THE TOTAL UNITS THAT ARE TWO BEDROOM DEN AND ABOVE.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO STAY OUT OF THE WEEDS.
I KNOW WE, WE'VE TAKEN YOU DOWN TO SOME REALLY, UM, SMALL DETAILS.
THIS IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE, SO I'D LOVE TO KEEP IT A LITTLE MORE, UM, UP IN THE, UP IN THE AIR GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE.
ANY OTHER BIG SUBSTANCE IN QUESTION? DYLAN? DID YOU, OH, I'VE GOT TWO BIG ONES.
UM, WHAT'S THE ZONING IN THE SURROUNDING AREA? I MEAN, WELL THE, SO IT, IT, HE, WE THOUGHT WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ANY MORE COMPLICATED QUESTIONS, BUT, SO IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, AND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE EIGHTIES, THE ENTIRE SITE INCLUDING THE, THE, UH, THE GROVE, WHICH IS, UH, UH, UH, THE SORT OF THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WAS IN THE PUD.
UM, AND I THINK INITIALLY THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED RESIDENTIALLY.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR ZONING MAP, IT'S ALL PUD.
UH, BUT, BUT THERE'S UNDERLYING ZONING, WHICH I THINK AS YOU GO, IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, EAST.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, THAT WHOLE PUD AND R 20 R 40 ZONING ISSUE REAL QUICK.
BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, THERE'S AN APPLICATION TO, UH, PLACE A PUD OVER THE SITE, UH, TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT RECEIVED, UH, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD FOR PUT OUR P PROVISION IN THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES THAT THEY OBTAIN SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE PUD WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE REZONING.
THEY, APPLICANT AT THE TIME WAS UNABLE TO OBTAIN THAT SITE PLAN APPROVAL DUE TO A COUNTYWIDE SEWER MORATORIUM.
THEREFORE THE PUD WAS EVAPORATED AUTOMATICALLY.
HOWEVER, THE ZONING MAP WAS NOT UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT, UH, THE PUD WAS EVAPORATED SUBSEQUENT TO THE PUD BEING EVAPORATED AUTOMATICALLY.
UH, HEBREW HOME, UH, IN THE LATE NINETIES APPLIED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, PUT IN THE NURSING HOME ON ONE LOT AND THE, UH, CCRC ON THE OTHER LOT.
UH, THEY DID THIS WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT IN THE R 20 AND R 40 DISTRICTS, UH, AS PER THOSE COASTS OF THE TOWN BOARD.
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THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THEY APPLIED FOR, YOU KNOW, AMEND AN AMENDED SPECIAL PERMIT TO EXPAND SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES, ALSO TREATED AS THE R 40 AND R 20 ZONING DISTRICTS.SO THE PROPERTIES ARE SPLIT ZONED R 40 AND R 20.
THE PUD ON THE ZONING MAP IS AN ERROR, AND THIS REZONING TO, UH, THE R 30 WOULD CORRECT THAT ERROR AND STOP ALL THIS CONFUSION
MATT, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT THROUGH.
BUT THE ADJACENT PARCEL, WHAT HAS THAT BEEN OPERATING AS THIS PARCEL HERE THAT'S IN NURSING HOME? THAT'S, BUT I MEAN IN TERMS OF ZONING, ZONING, THAT BEING TREATED AS AN R 40 OR RI BELIEVE THAT'S R 40, RIGHT? IT'S BEING TREATED AS R 40 AND R 20.
OH, OH, AND THEN, NOPE, YOU HAD TO ASK
WELL, YOU SAID YOU HAD NUMBER, UH, NUMBER TWO.
CAN YOU LET DYLAN SPEAK UP? HE HASN'T ASKED ANYTHING.
SO, SO JUST, JUST TO SORT OF PUT A POINT ON WHAT WAS JUST SAID.
SO IF THIS CHANGE WAS MADE, THERE WOULD BE NO MORE PUD THE POD WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
NO, THERE'S NO PUD NOW, RIGHT? THERE IS NO, IT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE MAP.
THERE'S AN ERRONEOUS PUT ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO THAT'S, THIS IS THE PROCESS, HENCE THE REASON FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, RIGHT? IS IT WILL BE PART OF IT.
SO THIS, THIS IS MORE OF A, OF AN EXISTENTIAL QUESTION, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY THERE'S DEMAND FOR THESE SORT OF UNITS NOW, YOU KNOW, 25 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN DEMAND DECREASES.
H HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE THESE SORT OF DEVELOPMENTS BEING USED? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 25 YEARS.
I THINK DEMOGRAPHICALLY IT'S, IT'S, I GUESS, I GUESS I'LL ASK IT THIS WAY.
WHEN DO YOU SEE THE CLIFF OF DEMAND? THERE'S ANOTHER COMPONENT TO THIS TOO.
UH, NOT ONLY IS IS IT JUST A POPULATION SURGE, THE BABY BOOMERS, BUT PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER.
SO ACTUALLY THE, UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
THEY HAD SOME ORIGINAL FOUNDER RESIDENTS THAT YOU WOULD THINK SIMUL WOULD MOVE.
WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS LIVING THERE WHO ARE 104 YEARS OLD.
UM, IN, IN A-C-C-R-C, THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF STUDIES THAT, UM, PEOPLE LIVE IN THERE, LIVE 17 HEALTHIER YEARS.
UM, AN AVERAGE PERSON THAT MOVES INTO THE TO A C CRC IS IN THEIR MID EIGHTIES.
UM, AND, AND WE, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN THEM NEAR TO 104.
UM, IT IS REALLY, IT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM.
IT'S THE SOCIALIZATION AND THAT'S WHAT'S KEY HERE.
THAT'S WHY THIS PROJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE NO PLACE FOR THEM TO SOCIALIZE TOGETHER.
UM, THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN GET CLOSE TO DOING IS THE DINING ROOM.
BUT THEN WE GOTTA BREAK DOWN THE WHOLE DINING ROOM AND SET IT UP.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT.
SO BUILDING THIS AUDITORIUM THAT WE WANT TO BUILD, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A SPOT WHERE THEY COULD, THEY PUT ON PLAYS AND ACTIVITIES AND STUFF AND, AND WE CAN'T GET THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE IS A HUGE NEED AND, AND YOU, YOU HAD A DRIVEN QUESTION ABOUT COMPARATIVE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A TABLE IN HERE THAT SHOWS THE DENSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY VERSUS OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND IF I COULD JUST GO, AND THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT WE'RE JUST SAYING, PETE IS MENTIONING THAT.
I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE, WE ALL KNOW THE BABY BOOMER GENERATION IS GIGANTIC.
GENERATION X IS NOT AS BIG AS THE BABY BOOMERS, BUT IT IS ALSO A PRETTY LARGE GENERATION.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEMAND FOR SENIOR HOUSING SERVICES FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
AND, AND, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT PEOPLE WANNA MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.
LIKE YOU WANNA DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA LIVE.
UM, YOU DON'T WANT YOUR KIDS HAVING TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
SO PEOPLE COME TO CRCS MAKING THEIR OWN DECISIONS AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE OUT THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
IF THEY HAVE TO GO, IF YOU'RE A COUPLE, YOU ONE CAN GO TO THE ASSISTED LIVING, ONE CAN GO TO THE NURSING HOME, ONE CAN STAY IN AN INDEPENDENT SIDE.
YOU, YOU, YOU MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS AND PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THESE NEW GENERATIONS WHO WANNA MAKE THOSE, THOSE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN.
SO JUST TO SHOW SOME FACT, SOME FACTS ABOUT THE DENSITY, RIGHT? OH, UH, RIGHT HERE ON THIS SIDE WHERE I'M CIRCLING THIS COLUMN, THE KNOLLS IS, AS FAR AS DENSITY UNITS PER ACRE IS 5.1.
OUR EXPANSION OF BRINGING UP THE 8.1 COMPARED THAT TO KENDALL AT HOTS AT 29.8.
UH, YOU GOT THE OSBORNE 7.17, 7.2.
THAT JUST WOULD BE A NUDGE ABOVE THAT.
WITH THIS CON WITH THIS, UH, EXPANSION.
BRIGHTVIEW TERRYTOWN, 21.8 UNITS PER ACRE.
CHELSEA GREENBERG, 19.9 AND ATRIA 20.5.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE AT FIVE UNITS PER ACRE, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY ANEMIC AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, UM, DEVELOPING AND HAVING THE ECONOMY SCALE I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
AND AT 8.1, UNDER THE ZONING PROPOSAL, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ROOM TO GROW, RIGHT? SO YOU MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY AT A COUPLE OF BARELY, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN ADD MUCH BEYOND THAT.
PARTICULARLY, PARTICULARLY WITH THE R 30
PARTICULARLY THE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE.
HONESTLY, IT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO BUILD ON THE
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SITE AS IT'S, IT'S NEVER INTENDED TO BE EXPANDED UPON.SO WE'RE, BETWEEN THE TOPOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGES AND THE WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL CAMPUS WAS DESIGNED, THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE PLACE THAT YOU CAN ADD ON TO THIS BUILDING.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER TREATING THE CURRENT R 20 ZONE AS, UH, LIKE A CONSERVATION OVERLAY THAT WON'T EVER BE DEVELOPED? THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AND, AND YES, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, CONSIDER THAT.
AARON TOLD ME THAT THIS MORNING.
THAT'S WHY
I, I, SORRY, JUST LET GO FOR A SECOND.
UH, NO, MINE IS KIND OF MORE, UH, NITTY-GRITTY QUESTION, SIR.
IS THAT, UH, WHAT EFFECT, WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT OF, UH, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON THE, ON THE FEEDER ROADS THAT ARE COMING IN? 'CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING ANOTHER 120 OR 75.
SO, UM, I MEAN, EXISTING IS, UH, 2020, RIGHT.
WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE ROAD THAT ACCESS THE, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT BE BECAUSE INDEPENDENT LIVING AS, AS THIS BOARD KNOWS, AS AS TOWN BOARD PROBABLY KNOWS AS WELL.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A MAJOR TRAFFIC GENERATOR.
UM, BUT OF COURSE DUR, YOU KNOW, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS, OF COURSE THERE'LL BE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND YEAH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION'S.
JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.
UH, THE OTHER PART IS THAT, UH, UH, THE PARKING IS, UH, RESPECTIVELY INCREASING.
AND I SEE THAT YOUR, YOUR THIS PLAN THAT, UH, A LOT OF THIS PARKING IS VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
WE DIDN'T MENTION THE THE UNDERGROUND PARKING ALL, SO JUST THE IMPACT OF THAT.
WAIT, I DON'T SEE THAT THE PRIMARY ADDITION OF PARKING TO THIS IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE TALLER LANE HERE.
UM, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE ADDING PARKING, THERE WILL, WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE SOME ADDITIONAL SURFACE PARKING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
BUT THE, THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS IN UNDERNEATH, UNDER THE, OKAY.
IS THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING GARAGE NOW THAT HAS A COURTYARD ON TOP OF IT.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ESSENTIALLY A, A, IT'S ACTUALLY DOWN A STORY FROM THAT, BUT IT'S STILL IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA.
SO THE BULK OF IT IS CONCENTRATED WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE THING, AND IT'S NOT TOWARDS THE, IT IS NOT.
AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE THAT SINCE YOU ARE EXPANDING AND YOU SAY IT'S ALL CONNECTED, HOW THE CIRCULATION WORKS INSIDE, SOMEBODY NEEDS A GPS SYSTEM TO FIND
WELL, INTERIOR SIGNAGE IS IMPORTANT AND YOU, AND YOU DO USE, WE SOMETIMES NEIGHBORHOODS YOU COLOR A NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCE SO THEY CAN RECOGNIZE THEIR ENTRY DOOR.
BUT SIGNAGE IS A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT.
AND UM, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF A WELLNESS COMPONENT AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SELF-SELECTION BY RESIDENTS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SORT OF MORE ABLE, WILL BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE, THE PRIMARY COMMON AREAS.
BUT WE DO DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH WAYFINDING INSIDE THE BUILDING TO HELP PEOPLE NAVIGATE THEIR WAY THROUGH IT.
SO YOU ANSWERED YEAH, MICHAEL, SORRY.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SITE VISIT.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AFTER THE APPLICATION IS FILED, BUT ANY OF, AT SOME POINT.
ONE, UM, GOING BACK TO ONE OF CAR'S QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO NEW PAVEMENT BEING INTRODUCED IN BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THAT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT AN EMERGENCY ACCESS, UM, OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR UNKNOWN? IT CURRENTLY IS SHOWN AS MEETING STANDARDS OF A TYPICAL TWO-WAY ROAD, NOT INTENDED AS STRICTLY EMERGENCY ACCESS.
OUR ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS GONNA WANT ACCESS AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S PROPOSED IN THAT SENSE.
RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING CAMPUS HAS A, HAS A ROAD THAT RUNS A RABBIT THAT THE RESIDENTS USE AS A PART OF THEIR WELLNESS ACTIVITIES IF THEY GO FOR WALKS.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THOUGHT OF AS IN THAT SENSE AS WELL.
SO I DO SEE THE WHITE, WHICH IS EXTENDS OFF THE GRAY AND THEN CIRCLES AROUND THE ENTIRE RIGHT.
SO, UM, THE BOARD HAD TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPE SCREENING.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
AND THEN GOING TO MICHAEL'S POINT ABOUT A POTENTIAL SITE VISIT, THE TOWN BOARD ALSO HAD INTEREST IN THE SITE VISIT AND UM, WE ARE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHEN THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE, BUT THE THOUGHT WAS TO COORDINATE A SITE VISIT THAT'S FINE AMONGST THE BOARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, NOTICE THE SITE VISIT AND BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW ALL OUR MEMBERS TO ATTEND.
ACTUALLY, UH, MORE, MORE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO DO IT SOONER YES.
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THAN LATER.I AGREE
YES, AND, AND HONESTLY IT'S GETTING DARKER VERY EARLY.
WE HAVE IT ALL STAKED OUT ALL, AS I SAID, I WALKED IT TODAY.
IT'S, IT'S ALL VISIBLE SO WE CAN WALK IT AND YOU HAVE A GOOD FEELING OF WHERE THE BUILDING CORNERS ARE SO WE CAN COORDINATE WITH STAFF AND WITH THE BOARDS AND I THINK THE GOAL IS ALSO TO LET YOU GIVE YOU A TOUR OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, WHAT, HOW THE, HOW IT FEELS AND LOOKS AND YEAH, PART OF IT DRIVEN BY THE SIGN I GUESS WHERE IT WAS.
I THINK, YEAH, SORRY, ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
HOW MUCH MOVEMENT DO YOU SEE WITHIN, UM, THE, THE COMPLEX? DO PEOPLE STARTING AT A TWO BEDROOM AND MOVING DOWN OR, OR ONCE THEY MOVE IN THEY SORT OF STAY IN THAT UNIT FOR THE, FOR THE LONG TERM? THEY, THEY, THEY VERY, THEY DON'T REALLY CHANGE UNITS.
THEY COULD CHANGE LEVELS OF CARE FROM INDEPENDENT TO ASSISTED TO THE NURSING HOME.
BUT VERY RARELY DO WE SEE SOMEONE CHANGE FROM A LARGER APARTMENT TO A SMALLER ONE.
SOMETIMES IF, IF ONE OF THE, ONE OF, IF SOMEBODY PASSES AWAY, THEY MAY GO FROM A TWO BEDROOM TO A ONE BEDROOM, BUT IT'S VERY RARE.
WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR IT, SO WE HAVE NO ACTION TO TAKE ON THIS.
SO DID, WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD OR DO YOU GET, DID YOU GET THAT FEEDBACK? YEAH, WE JUST WANTED FEEDBACK FROM, FROM, FROM YOU AND INITIAL, INITIAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO I, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT THE SITE AND THEN HOPEFULLY, UM, IN THE NEXT COMING WEEKS OR SO, UM, PUTTING IN A PETITION AND, AND AND STARTING THE PROCESS FORMALLY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT FACILITY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A NONPROFIT CCRC, SO IT'S, IT'S EXPANDING MY UNDERSTANDING WITH JOHN.
I'M NOT QUITE READY, BUT IT WON'T BE THAT LONG.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT ONCE THE MINUTES FROM THIS MEETING ARE ADOPTED, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE A COPY.
WE HAVE THOSE FOR YOUR RECORD.
UH, THE BACKGROUND THINGS THAT YOU ARE SHOWING, IT'S NOT IN MY PACKET, SO THAT WILL BE RIGHT.
SO SO THE CHARTS AND THINGS WE, WE, WE PROVIDED TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE, WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T WANT PROVIDE 'EM TO YOU GUYS ONLY 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO DIVE THAT DEEP INTO THE WEEDS, BUT WE DID.
WE CAN, WE CAN SEND THEM TO YOU.
UM, TOMORROW ALL THINGS WE'RE GONNA ASK ABOUT.
WE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN HINDSIGHT WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE JUST DIVE, DOVE RIGHT INTO THE WEEDS.
RIGHT? WE DON'T NEED THE VOTE TO CLOSE, RIGHT? WE DO NOT UNLESS PEOPLE WANT TO.