* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SORRY. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. [00:00:01] YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: JDudek@Greenburghny.com https://ny-greenburgh.civicplus.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings] JUST FOR WHEN FRANCIS IS . OKAY. WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD. OUR WORK SESSION TODAY IS OCTOBER 1ST, AND UM, IT'S AFTER FIVE 30 AND WE'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRE-BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS BEFORE THE BUDGET IS PROPO. THE TENTATIVE PROPOSED BUDGET IS PROPOSED, SO WE COULD GET SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE TOWN BOARD AS TO, UM, WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE, UM, INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. AND WE COULD HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO THE FIRST, UM, PROPOSAL IS FROM THE RECEIVER OF, UH, OF TAXES. AND YOU COULD TELL US WHAT YOU'VE RECOMMENDED IN YOUR BUDGET. AND, AND HER, HER, HER NAME IS I, NITA HOWARD. THANK YOU. IS MY, THIS ONE. I'M VENITA HOWARD, THE RECEIVER OF TAXES. AND I HAVE NO CHANGES TO MY BUDGET. I NEVER DO. I HAVE A SMALL STAFF. I HAVE THE SMALLEST BUDGET AND NO CHANGES, SO WE CAN'T ARGUE WITH YOU. NEVER. THIS IS THE BEST BUDGET HERE WE'VE EVER HAD. ALL THE TIME. . OKAY. TAKE Y'ALL HOME NOW. TRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. EVERYTHING. YES, EVERYTHING IS FINE. EVERYTHING IS OKAY. NO CHANGES, SO NO CHANGES. EVERYTHING. ALRIGHT, WELL WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL MAYBE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KIMBERLY. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? UH, NO, BUT THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO EVERYBODY LIKES HER BUDGET. WE APPRECIATE IT. SHE HAS NO CHANGES, I'M SURE IS OKAY WITH IT. AND WE'RE OKAY. AND THE COMPT CONTROL IS FINE, I THINK. ALRIGHT. APPRECIATE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VENITA. THANK, THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY, NEXT ON THE LIST IS STAY BECAUSE I'M ONE OF YOU FOR A SECOND. OH, I LOVE THIS. THIS IS GREAT. MOVING GOOD. THIS IS AMAZING. NEXT ON THE, OKAY, NEXT ON THE LIST IS ASSESSOR. OKAY. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M CUTTING MY BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR BY THREE. AND YOUR NAME IS? OH, MY NAME IS EDIE MCCARTHY. I'M THE ASSESSOR IN THE TOWN GREEN ROOM. THANK YOU. AND I AM JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT MY BUDGET SUBMISSION FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, I'M CUTTING IT BY OVER $200,000. I'M FINISHED. THANK YOU. DID YOU WANNA PROVIDE ANY? SORRY, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT? YES. I'M JUST KIDDING. NO. OKAY. OKAY. SO I'M NOT KIDDING ABOUT THE CUT. YOU'RE NOT? NO. SO EVERY YEAR, UM, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT OUR BUDGETS AND EVERY FOURTH OR FIFTH YEAR WE PUT IN OUR BUDGETS, OPERATING BUDGETS, UM, FOR TOWN WIDE REASSESSMENT. SO IN 2024, WE BUDGETED FOR THAT, WHICH WAS, UM, BROUGHT MY BUDGET UP TO $1.4 MILLION. AND THIS YEAR WE'RE JUST TRENDING, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN THE INTERIM YEARS. SO THE BUDGET DROPPED TO $1.1 MILLION. MM-HMM. , THERE ARE SOME CATEGORIES IN HERE THAT WERE INCREASES IN DECREASES, UM, FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS. BUT, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, IS, UM, ADVERTISING PUBLICITY. NOTICE IF YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF MY BUDGET. IT WENT FROM, UH, $10,000 TO $30,000. AND THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE, YOU WON'T SEE IT IN THE BOTTOM LINE, BUT THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR HAS MANDATED US, US, THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENT TO SEND OUT NOTICES TO ALL OF OUR TAXPAYERS REGARDING, UH, THE POTENTIAL TO GET PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS. WE ALREADY SEND A NOTICE OUT. SHE'S MANDATING A SECOND AND THIRD NOTICE AT THIS POINT, WHICH COSTS, UM, THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES IS MONEY. MM-HMM. , UH, IT'S NON-REIMBURSABLE FROM THE STATE. OKAY. SO, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY. JUST, JUST THE REASSESSMENT BECAUSE IT WENT JUST REASSESSMENT. WAIT, JUST BECAUSE THE REASSESSMENT, IT WAS $380,000 LAST YEAR AND WE DROPPED IT DOWN TO 30,000, WE STILL NEED THE CONTRACTORS. UM, AND THE OTHER DROPS ARE LIKE 5,000, 10,000, NO, VIRTUALLY NOTHING. YEP. YEAH. AND IF PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE, UH, DOING REASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, EVERY FIVE OR SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ANSWER? I MEAN, COULD THE TOWN BOARD GET AWAY DOING IT EVERY SIX YEARS INSTEAD OF FIVE YEARS? UH, UH, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, AND IT'S BEEN ASKED OF ME A LOT LATELY, ACTUALLY. AND TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THERE'S A TOWN HALL THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT AT A MINIMUM OF, OF EVERY MAXIMUM OF EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND NUMBER TWO, UM, WE MAINTAINED OUR MARKET VALUES AT 100% WHEN WE BECOME IN IT BECAUSE THE MARKET IS SO CRAZY RIGHT NOW THAT WE WERE IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, STATUS. SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP HAVING TO DO THE REVAL YEAR EARLY. IT'S NOT, IT JUST KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE ASSESSOR REFLECTS THE MARKET. I DON'T PROJECT IT. SO PEOPLE ARE BUYING AND SELLING HOMES AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE GENERATING THE MARKET, AND I'M JUST REFLECTING IT ON THE ASSESSMENT RULES. AND IT'S MARKET'S BEEN GOING UP [00:05:01] 10, 15, 20% A YEAR FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO IT'S BEEN CRAZY. CAN CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS SO THAT THE PEOPLE LISTENING IN CAN YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO WHEN I SAY WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR VALUES AT 100%, THAT IS MEANS THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR VALUES AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF MARKET VALUE IN ENGLISH IS WHEN YOU GET YOUR TAX BILL AND YOU SEE THE ASSESSMENT ON THERE, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS ARE, IS CAN I SELL MY HOUSE FOR THAT MUCH MONEY? MM-HMM. , THAT'S THE QUOTE UNQUOTE MARKET VALUE. SO THE ASSESSMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO REFLECT THAT MARKET VALUE. PRIOR TO THE LAST SEVEN YEARS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE WERE ASSESSING PROPERTIES BASED ON MARKET VALUE, BUT WE WERE ASSESSING THEM AT 3% OF MARKET VALUE. SO YOU'D HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR HOME AND A $30,000 ASSESSMENT. IT WAS ILLOGICAL. AND SO TO CREATE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND THE, AND THE VALUES WERE WAY, WAY, WAY OUTDATED, BUT TO UPDATE THE MARKET VALUES AND CREATE WAY MORE TRANSPARENCY TO PROPERTY OWNERS, WE'RE MAINTAINING THE VALUES AT 100%. SO THE ASSESSMENTS MATCH THE MARKET VALUES. BESIDES, IS THAT ALL TRANSPARENCY? WHAT IS THE VALUE? BECAUSE MOST OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO NOT VALUE IT. A HUNDRED PERCENT. CORRECT. THERE ARE, THAT IS CORRECT. IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, IN WESTCHESTER, 90% OF THE MUNICIPALITIES IN NEW YORK STATE REASSESS ON A REGULAR BASIS EVERY YEAR, EVERY OTHER YEAR, EVERY THIRD YEAR. THAT'S 95% OF THE STATE. WESTCHESTER IS UNIQUE AND, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO STATE MANDATE TO REASSESS, UM, A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE, UM, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 YEARS OF THEIR VALUES BEING OUTDATED. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND A FEW OTHERS IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, WE HAVE, UM, UPDATED OUR RECORDS, UPDATED OUR INVENTORY, UPDATED OUR VALUES. AND SO AGAIN, WE REFLECT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKET. SO AS THE MARKET INCREASES, THE ASSESSMENTS INCREASE. IF THE MARKET IS DECREASING, THEN THE ASSESSMENTS, I PROMISE YOU, ONCE THE MARKET STARTS GOING DOWN, I WILL SEND OUT ASSESSMENT CHANGE, NOTICES OF ASSESSMENT REDUCTIONS. SO, AND, BUT THE BENEFIT, WHY DO OTHER MUNI MUNICIPALITIES, UM, VALUE AT A PER SMALLER PERCENTAGE VERSUS THE HUNDRED PERCENT? AND WHY IS IT BENEFICIAL TO GREENBERG TO DO THAT? IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR GREENBERG FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS IF YOU ADD EVERYTHING UP. UM, PRIOR TO US REGULARLY DOING THE REASSESSMENT, WE WERE PAYING BACK BETWEEN THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL, AND THE VILLAGE, ALL RESIDENTS OF GREENBERG. WE WERE PAYING BACK ABOUT $10 MILLION A YEAR IN ARIES COMMERCIAL ASSESSMENT REDUCTIONS AND REFUNDS WE'RE NOT THE WORST MUNICIPALITY IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, BUT WE WERE THE SECOND WORST. AND SO NOW WITH THE REVALUATION, AFTER SEVEN YEARS, WE, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE ARIES. THERE'LL BE, THE NUMBER OF FILINGS HAVE REALLY NOT, UM, DECLINED. BUT THE AMOUNT OF REFUNDS HAVE DECLINED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. WE HAD, UM, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SMALL CLAIMS, WHICH ARE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND WHILE THE NUMBER OF FILINGS HAVE NOT REDUCED, THE NUMBER OF REDUCTIONS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. SO THAT'S ONE MAIN REASON TO MAINTAIN OUR VALUES AT CURRENT MARKET LEVELS. UH, THE SECOND REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE UNDERSTANDABLE FOR A, FOR A HOMEOWNER TO GET THEIR ASSESSMENT AND SAY, OKAY, MY PROPERTY'S, MY PROPERTY'S WORTH $500,000. I CAN SELL IT FOR THAT. MY ASSESSMENT IS $499,000. I'M PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT. THAT TYPE OF THING. WHEREAS BEFORE THEY COULDN'T DO THAT. IT MADE NO SENSE. THERE WAS NO RHYME OR REASON. SO ONE THING WE WERE RESTRICTED ONE MORE THING. YEAH, I'M SORRY. WHEN YOU ARE A NON REASSESSMENT PILOT, LIKE WE USED TO BE, THERE WERE SO MANY RESTRICTIONS FROM THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES DROPPING DOWN FROM NEW YORK STATE THAT THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS WE COULD NOT DO THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. BUT BECAUSE WE WERE NON REASSESSMENT, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED. SO IS IT NOT TRUE OR TRUE THAT IN TERMS OF HOME OWNERSHIP, WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSES, AREN'T THEY GONNA GO TO A MUNICIPALITY REALLY THAT DOESN'T DO ASSESSMENT VERY OFTEN BECAUSE THEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CHANGES IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S NOT, IS THAT A THING? I MEAN, DO IS IS THE FACT THAT GREENBERG DOES THE ASSESSMENT SO REGULARLY AND OTHER I KNOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ABSOLUTELY DON'T, AND I CAN NAME SOME OF THEM. ME TOO. UM, RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU GO TO BUY A HOME THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A CHANGE, RIGHT? YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TAXES AREN'T GONNA GO UP BY GOD FORBID, 20% OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO IS THAT, IS THAT, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT HOPEFULLY NOW THAT, AND I, AND I SAID [00:10:01] THIS EIGHT YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, THAT THE FIRST REEVALUATION THAT WE DID BACK IN 2016, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 60 YEARS, I REMEMBER THAT ONE . UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO CLEAN IT UP. IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA THE GATE TO BE PERFECT. IT IS NOT. AND SO AFTER THE SECOND REEVALUATION, WE WERE CLEANED UP A WHOLE LOT MORE VALUES. AND THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME AROUND, AND IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE STABLE. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, THERE WERE SOME MARKET INCREASES AND ASSESSMENT INCREASES SIGNIFICANT. UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT, IT REALLY WASN'T. SO, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA COME UP AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR RAISING MY ASSESSMENT. UM, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE ONES THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY. SO, AND THAT'S WHO I HEAR FROM EVERY DAY. I, I, BUT HOLD ON ONE SECOND. SO WITH, WITH YOUR QUESTION, WHICH WAS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, I BELIEVE, AND I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING THIS, THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUY A HOME, WHOEVER YOU ARE, WHATEVER PRICE RANGE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE PROPERTY TAXES. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT GOES. SURE. AND, UM, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES OR $500,000 HOMES, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE, WHAT THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE TURNING AWAY FROM GREENBERG AT ALL. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY TAXES, WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IS THEY'RE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK, WHICH I LOVE, AND THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT THE TAXES ARE IF THEY BUY THEIR HOUSE MM-HMM. . AND THEY WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROCESS IS ON INCREASES AND DECREASES IN BILLING PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M GETTING A LOT MORE OF THOSE PHONE CALLS. MM-HMM. . BUT OUR SALES RATIOS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH ARE VERY, VERY CONSISTENT WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY. MM-HMM. . SO I DON'T THINK THAT US BEING MORE MARKET IS, IS, IS DETERRING PEOPLE. I I HAD A QUESTION. UM, PROBABLY HALF THE COMMUNITIES IN WESTCHESTER HAVEN'T DONE ANNUAL REASSESSMENTS, OR HAVEN'T DONE REASSESSMENT. UM, AND GREENBURG HAS, WE HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RESIDENTS, SAME PARKWAY GARDENS, PARKWAY HOMES, THEY'RE IN, SAY THE VAL HOWA SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, MOUNT PLEASANT HASN'T DONE REASSESSMENT. SO, UH, WE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT SOME OF OUR POCAN IS IN MOUNT PLEASANT. SO THE FACT THAT SOME COMMUNITIES, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, SERVING GREENBERG HAVEN'T REASSESSED OUR GREENBERG RESIDENTS GETTING, YOU KNOW, OVERPAYING THE TAXES. AND SHOULD WE BE CALLING BE BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING MORE THAN SAY AS, UH, THAN PROPERTY OWNERS IN, UM, IN, IN MOUNT PLEASANT FOR SCHOOL TAXES BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE REASSESSED AND THEY HAVEN'T, AND SHOULD WE BE CALLING ON THE COUNTY TO DO A COUNTYWIDE REASSESSMENT? BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE COUNTY, THAT'S A BROAD COUNTY BUDGET. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR THE COUNTY GIVES US A TAX BILL. AND THE FACT IS THAT HALF THE COMMUNITIES ARE NOT REASSESSING, HALF THE COMMUNITIES ARE. AND YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE MIGHT BE SOME RESIDENT OF UNINCORPORATED OF, YOU KNOW, GREENBERG MAY BE GETTING NOT THE BEST DEAL. SO I HAVE HEARD THAT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, AND I CANNOT COMMIT TO ANSWERING THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PROPERTIES IN MOUNT PLEASANT THAT WE SHARE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITH ARE OVER OR UNDER ASSESSED. IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF WORK ON MY PART TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I'M NOT EVEN SURE I'D BE ABLE TO EITHER WAY. UM, I, IDEALLY, IDEALLY WESTCHESTER COUNTY SHOULD DO A REASSESSMENT. SHOULD THEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF MARKET VALUE THAT WE HAVE THAT AUSTIN HAS, UM, THAT THAT POUND RIDGE AND, AND NORTH SALEM, I THINK, UM, AND PELHAM. SO IT WOULD BE GREAT. I CAN'T SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHETHER WE PAY MORE PROPERTY TAXES THAN ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT THAT, UM, IF IT WERE A COUNTYWIDE THING. SO I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF A SUPERVISOR'S QUESTION. SO IS THERE AN INVOICE OR A BILL OR SOME TYPE OF ASSESSMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED TO SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO PAY TO MOUNT PLEASANT FOR THE SCHOOL TAXES, AS PAUL JUST MENTIONED? YEAH, IT'S A WARRANT. IT'S CALLED A WARRANT. WARRANT. AND, UM, YEP. SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES WHAT YOU DO, THEY CREATE THEIR BUDGETS. MM-HMM. . AND SO THEY FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY THAT THEY NEED TO OPERATE. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND THEN THEY SEND IT TO OUR CONTROLLER AND OUR CONTROLLER. THEN I REPORT TO THE CONTROLLER. MM-HMM. UM, THE AMOUNT OF TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE FOR THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND I DO THAT 10 TIMES. 'CAUSE WE HAVE 10 SCHOOL DISTRICTS. MM-HMM. SO SHE GETS 10 WARRANTS, AND THEN SHE TAKES HER THE WARRANTS WITH MY TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUES. AND THE, THE TOWN CONTROLLER CREATES THE TAX RATES. SHE DOES THE SAME THING FOR THE COUNTY DURING THE COUNTY APPORTIONMENT. [00:15:01] THEY SEND THE WARRANT, SHE CALCULATES THE TAX. SO THEY TELL, SO THEY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY TELL US HOW MUCH IS NEEDED. OH YES. OKAY. BUT THE, AND THE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OF THE 10, I THINK THERE'S FOUR, I THINK THERE'S FOUR THAT WE SHARE WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. MM-HMM. . SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GENERATES THEIR OPERATING BUDGET. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THEY TAKE OUR PORTION AND MOUNT PLEASANT'S PORTION OR WHITE PLAINS PORTION. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THEY GIVE A WARRANT TO US TO MOUNT PLEASANT GOTCHA. OUR PORTION OF IT. BUT THE QUE THE QUESTION I SORT OF HAVE, UM, IS LET'S SAY MY HOUSE IS WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS AND SOMEBODY IN MOUNT PLEASANT, THEIR HOUSE, IS IT, 'CAUSE YOU'RE UNDER ASSESSED IF IT IS WORTH A MONEY NO, BUT RIGHT, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S, LET'S SAY IT'S WORTH A MILLION, WHICH IT ISN'T, BUT, BUT LET'S SAY IT IS. UM, AND THERE'S SOMEBODY IN MOUNT PLEASANT WHO HOUSES YOU WOULD ASSESS AT A MILLION, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE A REASSESSMENT, THEY MAY BE ASSESSED AT 600,000 BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THEY REASSESSED WAS DECADES AGO. ARE THEY BASICALLY BEING, WHEN THEY GET A COUNTY TAX BILL, ARE THEY BASICALLY, UH, BEING CHARGED, YOU KNOW, FOR A HOUSE THAT CHARGED LESS? BUT THEY'RE CHARGED, BUT THEY'RE BEING CHARGED BASED ON THEIR ASSESSMENT. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. SO WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT THEIR ASSESSMENT IS. SO IF MOUNT PLEASANT ASSESSES THAT HOUSE AT 600,000, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, DO WE GET SOME SORT OF PAPERWORK? WHICH IS YOU DETERMINE, YOU SAID THERE'S A WARRANT. THEY TELL US HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PAY WITH ALL DUE, SORRY, WITH Y'ALL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MEAN CASE, , WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WANT, I WANNA SAY THIS, THAT DOESN'T COME OUT NEGATIVELY. WE DON'T CARE BECAUSE WE JUST GETTING THEIR BILL AND WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE MEET WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US THAT WE NEED TO MEET WHAT OUR OBLIGATION IS BASED ON WHAT THEY ASSESS AT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. OKAY. AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY BOTH CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE, THEY TAKE THE, BUT SCHOOL, VAL HOWA, LET'S PICK ON THEM FOR A SECOND. VAL HOWA NEEDS A MILLION DOLLARS TO OPERATE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND SO WE ARE 40% OF THAT. AND MOUNT PLEASANT IS 60 MM-HMM. , WE GET A BILL FOR 40% OF THE MILLION DOLLARS. RIGHT. AND MOUNT PLEASANT GETS THEIR BILL. RIGHT. SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ASSESSMENTS. MM-HMM. , WHAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ASSESSMENTS IS WE TAKE OUR 40% AND WE APPORTION IT ACROSS OUR RESIDENTS IN THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT. MM-HMM. , MOUNT PLEASANT DOES THE SAME THING. YOUR QUESTION TO ME, I THINK IS A MILLION DOLLAR HOME IN GREENBURG AND A MILLION DOLLAR HOME IN MOUNT PLEASANT OR IS NOT ASSESSED THE SAME. SO ARE THEY PAYING LESS TAXES THAN WE ARE? RIGHT? YES. THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTY TAX? BUT I THINK, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I THINK IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. QUESTION. THE SUPERVISOR QUESTION IS THEN ARE WE MAKING UP FOR WHAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING THEN? IF IT'S YES. A HUNDRED NOT THAT, NO. DON'T WE MAKE THEM WHOLE? NO. BECAUSE YES, WE MAKE THEM WHOLE, MAKE THEM WHOLE BASED ON OUR 40%. RIGHT. NOT ON THE HUNDRED. IF THEY WERE, WAIT, CAN I DON'T, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. EVERYBODY, HOLD ON. LET LET A, LET HER FINISH. RIGHT. SO WE MAKE THEM WHOLE BASED ON OUR 40%. WE DON'T CARE. ONE TAXPAYER IN MOUNT PLEASANT CAN PAY ALL 60% OF THAT BILL. WE DON'T CARE. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AND WE, WE CAN'T DIRECT THEM UNLESS THEY DO THE REASSESSMENT. AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN THERE, THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED HERE WHEN WE DID OURS, IS WE JUST WERE ABLE TO, I'LL EXPLAIN IN A MINUTE. WE WERE ABLE TO SPREAD ON A BIGGER BASE. SO WHERE BEFORE WE DID THE REVAL, WE WERE VALUED THE TOWN WIDE. WE WERE VALUED AT $16 BILLION. MM-HMM. , WE DID THE REVAL. AND THEN AFTER EVERYTHING WE WERE AT $20 BILLION. MM-HMM. , WE WERE ABLE TO SPREAD OUR BUDGETS, OUR LEVY, UM, OVER $4 BILLION MORE. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. WITH YOUR QUESTION, IT HASN'T, THE APPORTIONMENT WITH THE SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO. WE PAY THE 40%, THEY PAY THE 60%. WE DON'T CARE WHERE THEY GET IT. MM-HMM. YOUR QUESTION TO ELABORATE ON THE COUNTY APPORTIONMENT, THAT MAY AFFECT US, UM, IF THERE'S ASSESSMENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT CORRECT, BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE AND THAT'S HOW THEY APPORTION IT. YEAH. SO, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF, WAS ONE OF THE DISADVANTAGES OF DOING THE REASSESSMENT. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE PAYING, SO IT WAS SO DIFFERENT AND SO UNFAIR THAT THE REASSESSMENT PROBABLY WAS GOOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NO, NO, PROBABLY. NO, IT WAS EXCELLENT. IT WAS GOOD. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT THE COUNTY REALLY SHOULD BE DOING A COUNTYWIDE REASSESSMENT. IT WOULD BE BETTER, IT WOULD HELP THE TOWN, IT WOULD HELP HANDLE THE TOWN, UNFORTUNATELY. AND ALSO TO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK PART OF THE CALCULUS WHEN YOU DECIDED TO REASSESS WAS THERE WERE HOUSES WITHIN GREENBURG OF SIMILAR SIZE AND, AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS VALUE THAT WERE BEING TAXED VERY DIFFERENTLY. SO THAT'S WHERE THE IMPORTANCE OF LEVELING THAT OFF. YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH DIFFERENT, IT'S LONG, THE CONDITIONS WERE SIMILAR, RIGHT? IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE THE SAME, YOU HAD A $500,000 HOME AND A $500,000 HOME. THIS WAS ASSESSED AT 500,000 AND THIS WAS ASSESSED AT 300, OR THIS WAS ASSESSED AT [00:20:01] 800. RIGHT. PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH NOT DOING THE REASSESSMENT IS IF IT WAS ASSESSED AT 800, THEY COULD COME IN AND SEE ME AND I WOULD REDUCE IT. IF THEY WERE ASSESSED AT 300, KNOWING FAREWELL THAT IT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME HOUSE, I COULDN'T RAISE IT UP. THAT WAS SELECTIVE ASSESSMENT. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. WHAT, THE PART THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS PROBABLY GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE HERE, WHATEVER. SO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES EXCEPT OURS, YOU THINK THAT YOUR PROPERTY'S WORTH $500,000 AND YOU'RE ASSESSED AT 500,000 MOUNT PLEASANT ON KISCO, WHEREVER YOU ARE. RIGHT? SO YOU THINK, OKAY, I'M, I'M FAIRLY ASSESSED. I'M PAYING MY FAIR SHARE OF TAXES. BUT YOU'RE NOT AT ALL BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HERE'S YOUR 500,000 HOME, YOUR $500,000 ASSESSMENT IN MOUNT PLEASANT. THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE OVER ASSESSED. THEY CAME IN, GOT ALL THEIR GRIEVANCES, AND THEY, THEY ALL GOT REDUCTIONS. SO THEY'RE DOWN HERE NOW, BUT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN HERE THAT ARE UNDER ASSESSED. SO THESE PEOPLE HERE, WHY THEY THINK THEY'RE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE STILL GOTTA FIGURE OUT GOT, THEY'RE SUBSIDIZING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANYMORE. SO THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. MM-HMM. . SO AGAIN, I'M PROBABLY GETTING IN TROUBLE WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE CRUXES AS TO WHY WE, WE DID WHAT WE DID. THE OTHER ONE IS THAT TO APPLAUD THE TOWN BOARD, UM, I CAME TO YOU AND I SAID THAT, EXPLAINED EVERYTHING, ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND SAID THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A TERRIBLE WASTE OF MONEY IF YOU DO THIS ONE TIME AND NOT AGAIN FOR 60 YEARS. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM . AND I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THAT WAS IN IT FOR THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENT. AND I BASICALLY SAID, I'M NOT DOING THIS IF WE'RE, IF IT'S A ONE SHOT. MM-HMM. . AND SO YOU, SO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, YOU JUMP THROUGH HOOPS AND YOU'RE COMMITTED. SO, UM, THAT'S AWESOME. AND MOST MUNICIPALITIES WERE NOT AS COMMITTED. AND I'M PROBABLY GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR THIS TOO, BUT NOT AT MOST MUNICIPALITIES. BOARDS ARE, WERE NOT AS SUPPORTIVE AS YOU GUYS WERE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. YOU MENTIONED TO ME, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT STARTING IN OCTOBER, TODAY'S OCTOBER 1ST, YOU'D BE WILLING TO MEET WITH RESIDENTS WHO, UM, WHO MAY HAVE QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE ASSESSMENTS. IS THAT, YEAH, SO, UM, USUALLY LIKE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, I'M JUST STILL WRAPPING UP. I'M HAVING A COMPUTER GLITCH. I'M STILL WRAPPING UP THE 20, 24 NUMBERS. I OWE THE COUNTY AND THE STATE. UM, AND THE CONTROLLER ACTUALLY, SORRY, KIMBERLY, UM, UH, REPORTS. SO I'M, I'M WORKING ON IT. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW I'M WORKING ON IT. SO, UH, I THOUGHT I WOULD BE DONE, UM, BY NOW, BUT I'M NOT. SO AS SOON AS I GET THAT DONE, THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO START IN FOCUSING ON 2025. SO PROBABLY LIKE AT THE END OF THE MONTH, ANOTHER WEEK OR SO. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. AND THE LAST THING IS, UM, AFTER THE REASSESSMENT THIS YEAR, A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLED ME AND SAID, I CAN'T BELIEVE THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE UP SO MUCH. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN GOING UP EVERY YEAR. AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE IT WHEN THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY MORE TAXES, BUT THEY DON'T LIKE IT WHEN THEY HAVE TO PAY MORE TAXES. DO YOU AN WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PROJECTIONS ARE, SAY FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COUPLE YEARS? DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONSTANTLY BE SEEING THE TAXES GOING, THE PROPERTY ASSESSMENTS GOING, THE VALUE'S GOING UP? OR DO YOU SAY IT'S SLOWING DOWN? I SEE THE MARKET SLOWING DOWN AT THIS POINT, AND THE VALUES ARE STILL GOING UP, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO INVENTORY ON THE MARKET. SO I CANNOT SPEAK ON PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR BUDGETS. UM, BUT, BUT AS FAR AS THE VALUES ARE CONCERNED, UM, I'M STILL, WE'RE STILL SEEING INCREASES. WE BEING THE ENTIRE WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, STILL SEEING THE INCREASES. SO. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, ONE OF THE THINGS, IF YOU, WHEN YOU GET GO THROUGH THE BUDGET, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT MY BUDGET, I HAVE INCREASED, UM, TRAINING AND CONFERENCES AND MEETINGS. AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENED, BUT, UM, OF THE NINE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN MY DEPARTMENT, FIVE OF THEM ARE BRAND NEW, LESS THAN A YEAR OLD. ONE OF 'EM JUST HIT A YEAR. SO, UM, IT'S A LOT OF TRAINING. IT'S A LOT OF UPDATING, A LOT OF, A LOT TO SMILE. YEAH. SO, UM, I HAD TO INCREASE THAT FOR ADDITIONAL TRAINING. SO QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO THE BIG ITEM WHERE IT WENT DOWN IS REASSESSMENT. MM-HMM. ASSESSMENT. YES. THAT'S MORE THAN 200. I WAS BEING CONSERVATIVE. I DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY SHOW BENITA UP. IT LOOKS LIKE 300. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. IT'S LIKE MORE THREE THREE THEN. YEAH. 40. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. CLOSER TO THREE. YEAH. I THINK IT WAS TWO 80 OR SOMETHING. MM-HMM. , DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, THAT'S YOUR MAIN DRIVER. THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING AT. GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ED. THANK YOU. LEADING. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. OKAY. THANKS. NOW YOU ARE ON THE CARPET TABLE. OH, YES. YOU NAME, YOU'RE GONNA COME TO THE HOT SEAT HERE. I'M GONNA HAVE TO MOVE SUGAR. HONEY, YOU CAN STAY HERE. JUST [00:25:01] BRING YOUR, JUST BRING YOUR PAPERS AND GO SIT OVER THERE. REALLY? I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH YOU. COME ON. LET HER KNOW WHAT HER, I HEAR YOU. NO, NO, NO. I DON'T NEED TO BRING ALL OF THAT. JUST BRING YOUR IS ALL MY DATA. OH, LORD. CHRIST. LORD, HERE YOU GO FOR THIS. THANK YOU LADIES. NO FIGHTING. I DON'T HAVE ANY VASELINE. YOU HAVE TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, I SWEAR. I KNOW. I COMPLIANT MEETING YESTERDAY. . ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, LISA, LET'S GO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA NIRO AND I SERVE AS THE DEPARTMENT OF TOWN CLERK. OKAY. , YOU GOT MEETING . OKAY. SO I WILL, UM, UH, KIMBERLY AND I HAD A GREAT, GREAT GREAT MEETING, UM, DISCUSSING MY BUDGET AND, UH, , IT WAS KIMBERLY THAT LET ME KNOW, UH, JUST HOW MUCH REVENUE, UH, WAS COMING INTO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. UM, I KNOW OF ALL THE SERVICES, UM, THAT WE ARE PROVIDING. UM, UM, IT'S NOT ALL MONETARY, BUT I WAS HAPPY THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE COMPARED 'CAUSE I REMEMBER YOU SAID. UM, SO AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING ON, UH, SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. SO, UH, WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. OF COURSE. SO NOW, NOW KNOWING THE MONIES THAT COME IN TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, IS THERE AN INCREASE THAT FROM WHAT MONIES CAME IN? IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING? IN SOME AREAS THERE ARE, BUT UM, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE'RE, WE WOULD EX, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THE EXPENDITURE BUDGETS FIRST AND THEN I WOULD CIRCLE BACK TO THE REVENUE WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. OH, OKAY. SO THERE IS SOME INCREASE. AND IT IS, IT IS DOWN HERE. YOU'LL SEE THAT, WHERE YOU SEE THE PARENTHESES, THOSE ARE THE REVENUE SECTIONS. THAT WAS PRETTY QUIET. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, AND, UH, CAN I JUST, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO THE REVENUES AFTER YOU DO THE EXPENSES, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT. YES. WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THE, UM, DEPARTMENTAL EXPENSES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE REVENUE. YOU, UM, AND, UH, PART, PART OF THE SITUA UM, PART OF THE, UM, BUDGET, UH, THERE WERE, UM, A LOT OF TRANSFERS FROM MY PARTICULAR BUDGET BECAUSE MY BUDGET WAS BEING CHARGED FOR LEGAL NOTICES. AND MY DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, IF NOT ALL LEGAL NOTICES, THE MAJORITY OF THE LEGAL NOTICES. AND IT WAS IN, IT WAS COMING OUTTA THE WRONG BUDGET LINE. SO WHEN I WAS, UH, WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO OFFICE, WE NOW HAVE CORRECTED THAT IT'S GOING INTO THE CORRECT BUDGET LINE. UM, SO I DID NOT NEED ANY INCREASE ON LEGAL NOTICES OR, UM, AND ALSO BECAUSE, UH, THERE WERE NO CHANGES IN THE CODES OF, OF, UM, THE CODE OF GREENBURG. SO THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER INCREASE BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE CHANGES. MM-HMM. . AND AGAIN, MY, UH, DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, THE CODE BEING PUBLISHED AND, UM, AND CHANGED. SO THOSE WERE THE, THOSE WERE THE MAJOR CHANGES IN MY BUDGET AS FAR AS EXPENSES WERE CONCERNED. UM, ALSO, UM, EPTA, WHICH ARE THE, UM, THAT IS THE REFUND FOR, UM, UH, RENT RENTS. THAT, THAT ALSO, EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE RECEIVER THAT GIVES THE REFUNDS FOR, UH, RENTS, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MY OFFICE TO KEEP TRACK OF THOSE. SO, UM, THAT ALSO YOU'LL SEE A CHANGE IN THAT FOR, FOR THE BUDGET. UM, ALSO REGARDING SERVICE CONTRACTS. YEAH. I'M SORRY. MM-HMM. SERVICE CONTRACTS ALSO WAS, WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE UTILIZING MORE PROGRAMS AND WE ARE NOT USING ANTIQUATED METHODS TO, UM, ARCHIVE. WE'RE NOT USING ANTIQUATED METHODS TO FILE. WE'RE SO, SO CAN I'M, I'M SORRY, LISA. MM-HMM? YOU SAID WE'RE USING YOUR OFF. OH, I PUT IT ON. MM-HMM. . CAN YOU, CAN YOU, YOU, CAN YOU GO INTO THE PROGRAMS? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MISSED. I'M LOOKING AT 24 ACTIONS. YOU SPENT EIGHT, $679. YOU BUDGET 8,000, BUT THEN YOU PUT UP TO 44. WHAT PROGRAMS ARE, ARE YOU PUTTING NEW SOFTWARE? YES. THAT AND THAT IS THE . THAT IS THE FOIL [00:30:01] SOFTWARE. MM-HMM. . UM, THAT WILL BE REPLACING OUR ANTIQUATED SYSTEM. SO IS THAT A ONE-TIME COST? ARE WE ALWAYS GOING, IS IT ALWAYS GOING TO BE THIS HIGH? BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT'S HIGH. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING, UH, MYSELF, UM, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, UM, OUR MIS DEPARTMENT HEAD AND, UM, AND COUNCILMAN SHEHAN. SO WE HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWING DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND THAT WAS BASICALLY THE MIDDLE, IF I REMEMBER. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS, YEAH, I, I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION DIFFERENTLY. 'CAUSE I WAS ASKING THE SAME THING. YEAH. GET ONE SHOT OR IS IT GONNA, SO IS THIS A ONE SHOT DEAL OR IS THIS GOING FORWARD? IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AROUND THIS AMOUNT WILL BE RECURRING EXPENSE. THE ONLY, OR WILL IT REDUCE ONCE YOU'VE BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT, IS THIS JUST FOR BUYING EQUIPMENT OR WE HAVE TO PAY THIS SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. I WISH I COULD SAY EQUIPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT EQUIPMENT. IT IS SOFTWARE, PROGRAM SOFTWARE. THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SOFTWARE. THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, OKAY. SO DO YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BE, IS IT A 20,000 YEARLY FEE, YEARLY MAINTENANCE FEE? IS IT A ONE TIME ONBOARD FEE AND THEN AFTER THAT IS A MAINTENANCE FEE? UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING THE COMPANY SAID THAT THAT WAS BASICALLY THE ONBOARDING. JOE, DO YOU, DO YOU RECALL? I, THERE IS A YEARLY SERVICE FEE. I CAN'T SAY WHAT IT IS THOUGH, BUT IT'LL BE A REDUCED FEE. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. THERE ARE STARTUP COSTS AS WELL. SO IF I CAN SUM IT UP, IF I, TO SEE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE HAVE THE ONBOARDING FEE, WHICH IS ALWAYS HIGHER, AND THEN A YEARLY MAINTENANCE WILL BE, WHICH TO MAINTAIN IT FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT, WHICH WILL BE AT SOME NUMBER LOWER. WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T AWARDED THAT YET. EXACTLY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE. SHE'LL PROVIDE THAT DETAIL AT SOME POINT. OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND UM, SO JUST, JUST SO TO PIGGYBACK, AND THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA ANSWER TO THIS. YEAH. SO, UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAVE NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON WHAT THIS NUMBER COULD BE. ABSOLUTELY. AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY IT'S SO HIGH. YES. . YES. SO ALTHOUGH I AM THE RECORDS ACCESS OFFICER, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FOIL AND I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR OBTAINING THE INFORMATION. SO THE INFORMATION HAS TO COME FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S NOT JUST MY DEPARTMENT GETTING THE FOIL AND TRAINED ON IT, IT IS ALSO BUILDING, IT'S ALSO DBW AND IT'S ALSO, SO IT'S, IT'S COMING OUT OF MY BUDGET BECAUSE I'M THE RECORDS ACCESS OFFICER, BUT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO USE THIS SOFTWARE. AND SO I, OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL, I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. SO I GUESS, I GUESS FOR ME, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NUMBER YOU REALLY, REALLY DO NEED. ABSOLUTELY. AND IF YOU NEED TO COME BACK ONCE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AND WHO YOU'RE GOING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT WITH, DEE CAN COME BY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. SAY, WE FOUND A VENDOR WHO'S GOING TO HANDLE THE, THE FOILS. THIS IS THE CONTRACT AMOUNT, THE ONBOARDING AMOUNT IS THIS COST, THE YEARLY MAINTENANCE FEE FOR WHOEVER THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT IS, IS GOING TO BE THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE BLINDLY WE CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS NUMBER. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN. THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN WHEN WE SPEAK THIS. SO, ABSOLUTELY. UM, THIS WAS LITERALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE BOARD KNEW EXACTLY ONE MM-HMM. THAT WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE WITH THE FOILS AND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SEEK A, A, A, A METHOD OF IMPROVEMENT. UM, BECAUSE LITERALLY, UM, WE HAVE GONE FROM 300 FOILS PER YEAR TO 300 FOILS PER QUARTER. AND THAT'S JUST SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE. BUT COULD WE DO BASICALLY WHAT GINA HAS SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE MONTH BEFORE THE BUDGET'S DONE HAVE LIKE A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE, UH, PROJECTION OF WHAT THE REAL QUOTE, WE ALL SAY THE SAME, EXACT SAME. HE'S GONNA GIVE US THE MORE DETAIL. I'M SAYING BEFORE, WE BEFORE TOO. YOU'LL HAVE BY THAT TIME DECIDED WHO TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO. SO YOU'LL HAVE THE REAL NUMBERS. UM, YES. BE AND WE, IF WE SET THAT DEADLINE FOR YOU, WE DO THAT. YEAH, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S FINE. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DID NOT HAVE A, AN ACCURATE NUMBER IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE MEMBERS WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT. OKAY. OKAY. I'M, I'M ALSO WONDERING IF THERE'S A PIECE OF THIS THAT WE CAN CARVE OUT MAYBE FOR CAPITAL AND TAKE IT OUT OF OPERATING, BUT WE'D HAVE TO A GOOD IDEA. SEE THE ITEMIZATION. OKAY. UM, YEAH. YEAH. BUT SO WE CAN WORK ON THAT. I'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT. I APPRECIATE THE, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CODE OF GREENBERG AND IN 2024, IT WAS BUDGETED 37,000, BUT WE [00:35:01] SPENT 5,146. AND IN 2025 YOU'RE PROJECTING 16,500. I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF WE ONLY SPENT 5,000, UM, 100, WHY WE NEED THE 16,000? UM, WELL THE CODES HADN'T BEEN UPDATED IN A WHILE AND LISA AND I REVIEWED THEM AND THERE ARE SOME CODE UPDATES THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT ARE MANDATORY. AND SO THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT OKAY. UM, WAS DRIVING. UM, THE OTHER THING WITH, UM, THE SUMMER INTERNS YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHICH, UH, I REMEMBER, UM, TWO YEARS AGO WE GOT, YOU KNOW, GRANTS I THINK FROM THE WALMART FOUNDATION, COULD WE KEEP, IF WE KEPT IT AT 15,400 AND THEN, UH, REACHED OUT TO DIFFERENT FOUNDATIONS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET, UH, THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO THE PLAN IS TO OFFSET THAT WITH THE GRANT REVENUE WHEN WE DO THE REVENUE SIDE. YEAH. WE HAD CONVERSATION OVER MANY YEARS ABOUT THAT BUDGET NUMBER AND NOT INCREASING IT. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE HAD FEWER INTERNS. SO IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF A BUDGET, UM, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. 10 MORE. WHY? UM, JUST THIS A AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST TO OFFSET THE, UM, THE GRANTS. UM, BUT REGARDLESS, MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ONLY BUDGETED $15,000 AND THEN THAT SHOULD BE WHAT, UH, WAS OFFSET BY THE GRANTS BEFORE. WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL 10 10 RATHER THAN HAVING IT ADDED TO THE BUDGET. UM, AND WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU FORESEE SPENDING THE ADDITIONAL 10,000 ON? UM, THE ADDITIONAL WAS JUST BASICALLY, UM, IT WAS, IT, SOME OF IT, SOME OF THE STIPENDS EXTENDED OVER THE 15,000, BUT THAT WAS ONLY BASED ON, UM, THE GRANT. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS BECAUSE WELL, PUTTING THE GRANT ASIDE, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S $15,000 BUDGET AND YOU WANT GRANTS TO OFFSET THE 15,000, WHICH IS WHAT ELLEN WAS SAYING. MM-HMM. . SO AN EXTRA 10,000 IS, IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT WHETHER YOU GET A GRANT OR NOT. RIGHT. SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT BEING UTILIZED FOR? ARE YOU EXPANDING TO, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPAND THE PROGRAM, RIGHT. UM, THE, THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF INTERNS THAT WAS DECREASED WAS WHAT? SEVEN? YEAH. IT'S NOT. OH, OKAY. IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T, UH, IT WAS RIGHT. IT'S 37 AS OPPOSED TO 44. CORRECT. , IT WASN'T MAJOR, YOU KNOW. UM, BUT EACH LOOK, HOW MUCH DO YOU, DID WE PAY EACH OF THOSE INTERNS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR A GOOD HALF OF THAT, THAT OVER AMOUNT, THE OVER AMOUNT, RIGHT? RIGHT. THE OVERAGE. RIGHT. SO THAT JUST OH SEVEN K INTERNS. RIGHT. UM, PLUS THE, THE OVERAGE OF THE, 'CAUSE WE HAD 37 AND WELL, I'M SAYING BETWEEN 44 AND 37, RIGHT. THAT THE, THE DIFFERENTIAL AND THE AMOUNT OF PAY, HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY EACH OF THE INTERNS? IT, IT VARIES WITH THEIR, THEIR LEVEL. WELL, THE SEVEN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY AVERAGE IT OUT POSITIVE SEVEN. IT JUST, SHE CAN'T SAY SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL THEY, I DUNNO WHAT LEVEL IT WAS. NO. OH NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL COST OF HOW MUCH WAS OVER FOR THE EXTRA INTERNS. I WAS ASKING HOW MUCH TOTAL THE TOTAL COST OF THAT WAS. SO HOW MUCH DID YOU GO OVER? HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND ON THOSE EXTRA SEVEN THAT YOU SAID YOU HAD TO, SHE DIDN'T, SHE DIDN'T HAVE AN EXTRA SEVEN. NO, THEY DIDN'T, THEY HAD A DEFICIT OF SEVEN. RIGHT. OH, DEFICIT OF SEVEN. SO WHY, WHY WOULD GOING UP, RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHY WOULD YOU GO UP THERE? SO AN AVERAGE YOU SPENT, THERE WERE TWO LEVELS OF PAY. ONE FOR HIGH SCHOOL, ONE FOR COLLEGE, CORRECT. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, PRETEND, JUST SAY FOR LACK OF A BETTER, I HAD MORE COLLEGE STUDENTS. SO LET'S SAY THERE WERE FOUR COLLEGE STUDENTS AT HOW MUCH AND 5 99. 5 99 AND THREE COLLEGE AND THREE HIGH SCHOOL AT 400. SO SO NOBODY GOT A THOUSAND? NO. OKAY. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WELL, WELL LOOKING AT THE NUMBER I WAS, I WAS THINK TRYING TO BACK INTO YOUR NUMBER. YEAH. ARE THERE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR OTHER THAN THEIR STIPENDS? UM, JUST OPERATING. UM, AND THAT WAS JUST A CELEBRATORY, UM, UH, DINNER, UH, INTRODUCTION, UM, YOU KNOW, SNACKS DURING THE, UM, DURING THE, UH, COURSE OF IT. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAD THE STUDENTS ACTUALLY WORKING IN THE DEPARTMENTS. MM-HMM. WE HAD, YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME THAT YOU HADN'T GOTTEN REIMBURSED FOR YOU, YOU OUTLAID THE MONEY. I DID. UH, AND, UM, AND WE WERE GOING TO BRING THAT UP AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE YOU DID ORDER, YOU BASICALLY LOOK AT THE, SEE THE RECEIPTS. I THOUGHT THAT KIMBERLY ISN'T THAT [00:40:01] THAT WAS HANDLED. THAT WAS HANDLED. THAT WAS HANDLED. SO THAT'S ALL DONE. OKAY. SO THAT, JUST TO GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT WHAT, WHAT THAT CAME TO IS $3,600 AND YOU ASKED FOR 10,000 MORE. SO THAT'S A THIRD OF THAT. OVER A THIRD OF THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SAVE SIDE. RIGHT. SO THEN IT'S LIKE ADDING 13,600 RATHER THAN ADDING 10,000. WE, WE GOT A, SO THAT'S WHY WE GOT A GRANT FOR UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE FIVE 5,000. 5,000. SO THE THING IS THE FOOD AND THE REFRESHMENTS THAT YOU COULD SAY THAT'S NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS. OH YEAH. IT'S NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS AT ALL. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT MISSING. NO, JUST WANNA MENTION, I'M JUST MENTIONING THE DETAIL OF WHAT, WHAT THE CLERK NEEDS. YEAH. FOR AN ADDITIONAL 10,000 FOR NEXT YEAR'S PROGRAM. WHAT, WHAT NEEDS WERE NOT MET THIS YEAR. THAT, SO JUST TO HAVE THE DETAIL OF THAT FOR NOT, NOT THIS MOMENT. YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ME. NO, NO STIPENDS. SOME OF THE STIPENDS WERE NOT COVERED. SOME $10,000 OF STIPENDS WERE NOT COVERED, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NO MA'AM. OKAY. SO THE REST, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? YEAH. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. JUST SOME OF THE STIPENDS. AND YOU PAID OUT OF POCKET OUTTA YOUR OWN POCKET FOR THESE STIPENDS? NO, NO, NO. OH, OH NO. JUST FOR THE REFRESHMENTS. YEAH, JUST FOR THE REFRESHMENTS. BUT, UH, UP, YOU KNOW, PAID IN ADVANCE, IT'S GETTING REIMBURSED. RIGHT. BUT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP WAS BECAUSE IF WE GOT A NON TAXPAYER DOLLAR GRANT, UM, AND YOU USED THAT MONEY FOR THE REFRESHMENTS AND THE STUFF, THEN PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO WOULD SAY, WHY IS TAXPAYER DOLLARS BEING USED FOR FOOD? OH YEAH. IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT USING ANY TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR UNDERSTAND IS CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE, WE, ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE HAD QUESTION $15,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. YOU ARE NOW GOING TO $25,000. YOU ARE COUNTING ON GRANTS THAT WE DON'T YET HAVE AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET. IN WHICH CASE THEN IT ALL ARE PART OF THAT ADDITIONAL $10,000 COULD COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET. WE HAD PROMISES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE GRANTS FOR X AMOUNT OF YEARS. I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING, WHY'S GONNA TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION? 25,000 GIVES THE APPEARANCE WHAT THIS, THAT'S WHAT THE BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S BUDGETING FOR. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER TONIGHT. I THINK WHAT WOULD WORK BEST IS IF I GIVE THE CLERK, UM, A GL DETAIL OF WHAT WAS IN THE ACCOUNT LAST YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN SHE COMPARES THAT TO WHAT WAS SPENT THIS YEAR. AND THEN WE GIVE AN ITEM ITEMIZATION OF THE PROJECTION FOR 2025. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE THREE YEARS IN A ROW. THANK YOU. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD, UH, HAVE WE, WE COULD DELETE THE WORD SUMMER AND WE COULD SAY INTERNS AND UM, AND WE, IF WE WANT TO GO WITH 20 PLUS, DON'T I MISLEADING A DIFFERENT THING. I CAN'T CHANGE THE GL LINE DETAIL ONCE THERE'S ACTIVITY IN IT. THAT'S, THAT'S MISLEADING. WE DON'T WANNA MISLEAD. NO, NO. I'M JUST, IF IT'S FOR SUMMER INTERN SPECIFICALLY FOR SUMMER INTERN AS IT HAS BEEN FOR ALL THE YEARS, WHY WOULD WE CHANGE IT DOWN? WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR SUMMER INTERN PROGRAM FOR THE MONEY. AND I THINK, I THINK KIMBERLY AND LISA HAS A, HAS A PLAN. THEY'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GOING SIT AND TALK ABOUT AND SEE WHAT SHE SPENT THE LAST FEW YEARS. I'LL SEND THE, THE DETAIL AND THEN GIVE A ITEMIZE THAT AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WE'LL FORWARD TO GETTING THAT. WE CAN, BUT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON WHAT THE SUPERVISOR SAID. OKAY. IF YOU, YOU HOW, SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE OTHER INTERNS. YEAH. AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY, WHERE DID THOSE FUNDS COME OUT OF? WE DON'T PAY THEM. SO WHILE THEY'RE UNPAID INTERNS. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT THE THING IS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE, SO THEN WHY WOULD IT MATTER? WHAT WOULD MATTER TO DO WITH IT? WE, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY WE WANT TO USE INTERNS OR THE TOWN BOARD WOULD SAY WE COULD USE INTERNS DURING THE YEAR FOR OTHER INITIATIVES. YEAH. BUT PAUL, THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. THAT'S A SEPARATE YEAH'S JUST STICK WITH THIS. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE LINE ITEMS. LET'S STICK WITH THIS. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ON THE BUDGET IS, UH, THE PART TIMELINE, ONE FROM 20 TO 40 TO 45 AND JUST WONDER OF THE REASONS. SURE. UM, AND I, I GAVE A BRIEF SUMMARY IN AN EMAIL TO THE TOWN BOARD AND IT STEMS FROM ANTIQUATED METHODS OF ARCHIVING AND ANTIQUATED METHODS OF, OF, UH, FILING. SO I HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH, UM, FOIL REQUESTS THAT ARE COMING IN AND THERE IS INFORMATION THAT CANNOT ALWAYS BE SUPPLIED TIMELY. MM-HMM. . AND THAT IS BECAUSE [00:45:01] I HAVE A PERMIT CLERK THAT'S WORKING ON PERMITS. MM-HMM. , I HAVE A SPANISH SPEAKING PERMIT CLERK THAT IS WORKING ON SPANISH, UM, PERMITS. AND THEN, UM, I HAVE MY DEPUTY WHO IS WORKING WITH ME AND TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION FOR THE FOILS, WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT. RIGHT. SO IN LOOKING FOR THIS INFORMATION, I NEED ANOTHER BODY IN MY OFFICE AND IT WOULD BE, UM, A DISSERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS IF I DON'T HAVE A STAFF PERSON THAT IS TRAINED THAT KNOWS HOW TO OBTAIN INFORMATION. AND SO A PART-TIMER AT THIS TIME RIGHT NOW IS NOT SUFFICIENT. SO THAT'S WHY IT WENT UP FROM THE 20,000 PART-TIME, WHICH IS ONLY THREE DAYS PER WEEK TO A, UM, UH, INTERMEDIATE CLERK, WHICH IS, UH, SO IT'S NOT HIRING A NEW BODY, IT'S TAKING A PART-TIMER AND MAKING THEM FULL-TIME. CORRECT. AND UM, AND YOU RIGHT NOW THERE IS FROM YOU, YOU PROBABLY PUT IT MUCH MORE DIPLOMATICALLY THAN I'M GOING TO, BUT IT'S IN SOMEWHAT SOME DISARRAY. SO, UM, DO YOU FORESEE THAT THIS, THAT THEN, BECAUSE ONCE YOU MAKE SOMEONE PART-TIME INTO FULL-TIME, THEN YOU DON'T GO BACKWARDS, YOU KNOW? CORRECT. AND, AND THAT FUNCTION HOPEFULLY WILL BE RESOLVED. SO THAT GETS A LITTLE, SO DO YOU, THIS IS A PERMANENT HIRE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT OR THIS IS SOMEONE WHO'S HELPING CATCH UP AND CLEAN UP AND THEN RIGHT. AND OKAY. AND THIS PERSON IS ALLOTTED FOUR MONTHS OKAY. TO, TO DO THIS. OH, THIS IS A TEMPORARY PERSON. TEMPORARY. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. BUT IT'S VERY, THAT'S NOT OKAY. BUT IT'S VERY HARD HIRING A PART-TIME, BUT IT'S NOT A SEPARATE POSITION. SO YOU'RE TAKING SOMEONE WHO'S CURRENTLY WORKING PART-TIME AND MAKING THEM FULL-TIME, DO THEY, IS IT DOES UNDERSTOOD THAT THEN GO BACKWARDS AND GO BACK TO PART POSITION? WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. IT'S TEMPORARY. SHE SAID IT'S, SHE SAID IT IS. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M JUST, MY CONCERN IS I HEAR, I HEAR FROM YOU BOTH. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, PROCESS. MM-HMM. . SO DO WE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT THE WAY YOU JUST DESCRIBED. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I'M FOLLOWING MARE'S EXACT. SO, SO THIS PERSON, SO THIS PERSON IS GOING TO COME IN FOR FOUR MONTHS AND IT, IT JUST IS GONNA GET WHAT IS A STIPEND TO WORK THAT? OR THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE WORKING. SO WE'RE GONNA, FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO JANUARY 1ST, ARE YOU SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BE FULL-TIME AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK? SO THEN WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AND THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK TO PARTTIME. ARE YOU HIRING SOMEONE SEPARATE FOR THIS FUNCTION ONLY OR ARE YOU HIRING SOMEONE WHO'S ALREADY ON STAFF AND INCREASING THEIR TIME FOR SHORT TERM? RIGHT. I HAD A RIGHT. WHAT? YES. ONE OR A A OR B. ARE YOU OKAY, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN. SORRY. I'M ASKING IS I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY THAT YOU'RE TAKING YOUR CURRENT PART-TIME PERSON AND MAKING THEM FULL-TIME, BUT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FOR FOUR MONTHS, CORRECT? RIGHT. OKAY. SO, AND THEN MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU TAKE SOMEONE WHO'S PART-TIME AND YOU MAKE THEM A FULL-TIME, TIME PERSON, HOW DO YOU GO BACK TO PART-TIME? IS THAT SOMETHING IN THIS CASE YOU'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION THAT IT'S AGREED UPON THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FOR FOUR MONTHS WORK FULL-TIME AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK TO BEING PART-TIME? THEY, THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. YEAH. WELL THAT'S WHAT I ASKED. THAT'S ALL. I THINK THIS IS ALSO GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES. NO, NO, NO. SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. IT'S NOT GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES ANYMORE. ONE, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. ONE PERSON IS TEMPORARY FULL TIME. CORRECT. AND THAT IS A FOUR MONTH STINT AND THEN THAT PERSON IS DONE. CORRECT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA STAY AT THE TOWN ANYMORE. CORRECT. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S I'M PROMISE YOU THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT I JUST HEARD. OKAY. WELL THAT'S WHAT I THINK AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS YOU'RE SAYING. SO MY PART-TIME PERSON LEFT FOR COLLEGE. MY FULL-TIME PERSON IS HERE UNTIL DECEMBER. OKAY. AND THEN SO THEN YOU'RE GETTING ANOTHER PART-TIME PERSON AFTER THAT IN JANUARY. OKAY. AS A SEASONAL PERSON, NO, NO, NO, NO TIME PART-TIME PART-TIME PERMANENT IS ONE JOB. RIGHT. AND FULL-TIME TEMPORARY IS ANOTHER JOB. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS NOT CLEAR IN YOUR ANSWER TO ME. I APOLOGIZE. BUT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES. SO WHERE IS THAT? SO THAT THAT SALARY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE REFLECTED OR IS IT REFLECTED HERE? IT'S THE PART-TIME. IT'S THE FIFTH ONE IN 1, 2, 3. [00:50:01] NO, NO, NO. KIMBERLY, WE HAVE TO LIST THE SYSTEM TWO SEPARATE SALARIES TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE LIKE, THIS IS, UM, THERE'S A ROLL UP IN THE SALARY IN THE PART-TIME SECTION WHERE FOLKS ARE LISTED IN THEIR, UM, ITEMIZED OUT THEIR SALARIES, BUT THAT DOESN'T PRINT OUT RIGHT. SO RIGHT. SO THE DETAIL OF EVERYTHING DOESN'T PRINT FROM RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S IT'S BEHIND THE NUMBERS. OKAY. OKAY. AND AS LONG AS YOU'VE REVIEWED THAT AND YEAH, NO, WE DID A FULL SALARY SCHEDULE OF, UM, THE ENTIRE TOWN AND WE WENT AND VERIFIED ALL THE SALARIES. OKAY. MADE SURE ALL THE STEPS WERE IN THERE, LONGEVITY, SO FORTH. UH, ALSO THE CONFERENCE AND SEMINARS WENT FROM, UH, THE WENT FROM 1592, $12 IN 2024, UH, TO 4,000 PROPOSED IN, UH, 2025. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE REASONS FOR THAT. SURE. BECAUSE THE CONFERENCE THAT, UM, I PAID FOR MYSELF AND MY DEPUTY, UM, I HAVE NOT, UM, SUBMITTED YET. AND THAT'S FOR APPROXIMATELY $1,700. WHICH ONE ARE WE LOOKING AT? UM, THE CONFERENCE SEMINARS. OKAY, GOT IT. MM-HMM, , WHICH IS THE, WHAT WAS THAT CONFERENCE? THAT WAS THE, UH, THE SECOND ANNUAL NEW YORK STATE TOWN CLERKS CONFERENCE THAT WAS HELD IN ALBANY IN BETWEEN APRIL 21ST AND APRIL 24TH. OKAY. AND, AND PART OF THAT WAS THAT AT THE TIME YOU DIDN'T, BECAUSE IT WAS EARLY IN YOUR TERM, YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND HOW TO GO THROUGH THIS SUBMISSION. RIGHT? COMPLETELY. BUT THE QUESTION IS, SO NOW SHE, YOU KNOW, NOW THIS IS IT, IT IS REIMBURSING HER FOR SO OUT LATE MONEY THAT SHE DIDN'T REALIZE SHE HAD TO THE, OUR PROCESS AT THAT POINT. RIGHT? YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T REIMBURSE HER IN THE NEXT, YOU CAN'T REIMBURSE HER IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. HOW DOES THAT WORK? I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NO, NO. UM, IT'S NOT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. WHAT FOR NEXT YEAR? THERE ARE MORE CONFERENCES AND, AND AS FAR AS, UM, NOT EVERYBODY IN MY OFFICE IS NEW, BUT EVERYBODY IN THEIR POSITION IS NEW. MM-HMM. . SO AS FAR AS MYSELF AND MY DEPUTY, UM, UNFORTUNATELY NO ONE CAN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB. SO THESE CONFERENCES ARE HELPING US DO OUR JOB. AND MEANING THAT NO ONE, AND I'VE ASKED FOR HELP. IT'S NOT LIKE I DID NOT ASK, I'VE ASKED EVERYONE, BUT NO ONE CAN TELL ME OTHER THAN MY MANUAL, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT MY, MY OFFICE ENTAILS. UH, SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR IN WITH THE CONFERENCE THAT YOU DID LAST APRIL? SO WHERE, OKAY, SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S THE NEWLY ELECTED, I WON'T BE GOING TO THAT NEXT YEAR. NO, I'M, I'M NOT, I I, I'M SORRY. I'M, I'M CONFUSED AND I THINK MAYBE I'M JUST TIRED, BUT, UM, WHEN, WHEN THE SUPERVISOR FIRST ASKED ABOUT IT, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MONIES THAT YOU ALREADY LAID OUT THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET REIMBURSED FOR. CORRECT. NOW, AND, AND THAT WAS THE EXPLANATION. IT SEEMED FOR THE 4,000 FOR THE INCREASE OF 1700. RIGHT. BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION, THERE BE MORE CON MORE CONFERENCES OR PART OF THAT MAN, SO WHERE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR THE MORE SURE. NOT MORE. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHEN SUPERVISOR HAD SAID, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE 4,000 FOR? MM-HMM. . SO THE 4,000, THERE WERE FOUR CONFERENCES. UM, NEWLY ELECTED ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS, NEW YORK STATE, AND UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, THE LOCAL CLERKS AND WITH THE, UM, WITH THE $4,000 THAT COVERS ALL THREE TRAININGS, NOT THE FOUR. 'CAUSE I DON'T NEED NEWLY ELECTED BECAUSE I'M ELECTED. SO I DON'T FORESEE GOING TO THAT ONE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO SUGGEST IT. THAT'S NOT, AND AT THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS, I REPRESENT THE BOARD. SO, AND THAT'S, THAT IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN, UM, THE BOARD'S BUDGET, UM, FOR THAT, UM, ASSOCIATION. UH, FOR THAT, UM, THAT, FOR THAT CONFERENCE. CONFERENCE. SO YOU'RE PUTTING IT BACK IN. SO YOU, SO YOU SAID THAT THE BOARD PUT IT IN THEIR BUDGET, BUT YOU PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET? NO, NO, NO. OH, OKAY. SO I ME, SO WHILE THERE ARE MORE CONFERENCES, YOU'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALL COMING OUT OF YOUR BUDGET, THEREFORE THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT IS CONSTITUTING THE INCREASE REALLY. RIGHT. WE TO KNOW THE UNDER, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE INCREASE. THAT'S, THAT'S, [00:55:01] THAT'S, THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN. SO MAKE IT EASIER. THREE, THREE CONFERENCES. MM-HMM, APPROXIMATELY AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH. ARE YOU ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY FOR WHO AND WHO'S ATTENDING? THAT'S ALL YOUR STAFF MEMBERS, INCLUDING YOURSELF? NO, JUST MYSELF AND MY DEPUTY FOR TWO OF THE THREE. OKAY. 'CAUSE YOU SAID, YOU MENTIONED, SO I JUST WANTED, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE STAFF THAT IS NOT ALL NEW, BUT YOU HAVE SOME NEW STAFF, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR JOBS, SO THEY NEED SOME SORT OF TRAINING. SO NOT ALL YOUR STAFF GOING TO THESE CONFERENCES, IT'S JUST YOU AND YOUR DEPUTY. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BRING BACK THE TRAINING. OKAY. CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY. I, OKAY. WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL OUR DEPARTMENTS. YEAH. AND WE WERE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. ABSOLUTE. WE JUST NEED MORE. SO IF YOU COULD PROVIDE, UH, KIM OR US JUST MORE DETAILS ON, ON THE CONFERENCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND REALLY THE VALUE TO THAT THE TAXPAYERS WOULD GET. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE SO WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING CLEAN. SO CASE, NO QUESTION. NO, ABSO ABSOLUTELY. AND IN, UM, IN EACH OF, UM, EACH OF MY SUBMISSIONS THERE ARE FULL, UM, AT, UH, ATTENDANCE, UM, CRITERIA. AND IT'S GIVING THE CONFERENCE INFORMATION, THE CLASSES, UM, THEIR CLE UH, UH, UH, CLASSES THAT I TOOK AS WELL. AND THAT WAS ON, OF COURSE ON THE FOILS. I DIDN'T JUST TAKE THE REGULAR FOILS, I TOOK THE LEGAL FOILS. UM, UM, I BELIEVE WE CAN GET SOME REAL CHEAP IN-HOUSE TRAINING TONIGHT IN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT, UM, IN THE BUDGET MODULE THERE'S A SECTION FOR NOTES. SO WHEN YOU ADJUST A BUDGET, UH, LINE ITEM AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL NATURE, YOU CAN MAKE A NOTE ON THE SIDE. AND THEN WHEN I PRINT THIS FOR THE BOARD, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE NOTE AS TO WHY THE LINE ITEM WENT UP. OKAY. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU SUCH A THIRD DEGREE. NO, IT'S, SO LEMME JUST ASK A QUESTION FURTHER ABOUT THIS LAST ITEM. SO IF ON TOP OF THE 2300 YOU HAD TO PUT IN THE EXTRA, RIGHT, SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE REVISED BUDGET FOR 2024 WAS 4,000, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, I WASN'T SAYING SO IF THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS 300 WAS THREE. OKAY. AND THE REVISED BUDGET SHOULD BE MORE THAN FOR 2024. 'CAUSE WHAT YOU ACTUALLY DID IN 2024 IS SPEND $4,000. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO WHY IS THAT NOT REFLECTED IN THE REVISED 2024 BUDGET? WHY IS IT NOT IN THE REVISED 2024 BUDGET COLUMN? KIMBERLY, ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME? YES, BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO ASK FOR A BUDGET TRANSFER SUBMIT. SHE'LL NEED TO ASK FOR A BUDGET TRANSFER. OKAY. SO THEN WHY IS IT REFLECTED IN THE 2025 PROJECTED BUDGET IF ONE OF THOSE CONFERENCES IS COMING OFF? IS MY QUESTION? IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO ONE OF THE CONFERENCES THAT YOU MENTIONED. RIGHT. SO IT SHOULDN'T BE 4,000 AGAIN, IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN 4,000. OKAY. RIGHT. DID YOU NOT MAKE SENSE? EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH, NO, I, I, I'D HAVE TO SEE THE, UM, CONFERENCES ITEMIZED OUT LIKE WHAT THEY ARE. LET'S JUST GET THE DETAILS. LET ME LET, LET ASK ANOTHER QUESTION IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUES, ARE THERE ANY REVENUES THAT YOU COULD INCREASE? COULD WE INCREASE ANY OF THE, UH, FEES? THE FEES OR WHATEVER, UH, TO OFFSET SOME OF THE UM, I AM SO HAPPY YOU SAID THAT SUPERVISOR BECAUSE BE MINDFUL THAT HE ASKED THAT BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA GET AN EMAIL THAT HE WAS AGAINST IT. SO LET'S NO, I NO, NO, NO. ANYTHING TO KEEP THE TAXES LOWER. I GET IT. I'M GONNA WAIT FOR THAT EMAIL AND I'M GONNA SAY IT TO EVERYONE THAT HE SAID. SO WE JUST MAKE SURE WE, EVERYONE JUST START WITH THE DOG LICENSE? YES, THE DOG DOG LICENSE. I COULD TELL TERRANCE TO, UH, DELETE MY PARENTS . IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. OKAY. I'M SORRY LISA. NO, NO WORRIES. SO I WANTED TO, UM, ASK THE BOARD ABOUT INCREASING THE DOG LICENSES. I ALSO WANTED TO ASK THE BOARD ABOUT INCREASING THE FILMING PERMITS. SO I, I'LL I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY THIS. I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS REALLY QUICKLY. SO LET, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL, ALL OF YOUR FEES. YES. WHY DON'T YOU YES. CREATE A REPORT, COPY OF ALL THE FEES AND ALL OF YOUR RESEARCH. BENCHMARK US AGAINST WHOEVER YOU NEED TO BENCHMARK OR WHAT OTHER, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE PAYING FOR ALL THE FEES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. SEE WHERE WE ARE SO WE CAN SAY, OH, THERE IS A, THERE IS PROOF HERE AND EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR FEES SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CURRENT AND, UH, WE ARE ON PAR WITH EVERYONE ELSE. RIGHT. ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, JUST AS FAR AS AS WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING. CERTAINLY FOR DOG LICENSES, PEOPLE LIVE HERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO, NOT GONNA BUT FOR THE FILMING, YES. OKAY. FILMING. DO YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE THE LOWEST IN THE COUNTY. OKAY. , YOU THOUGHT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT GINA JUST SAID? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THAT. SORRY. OKAY. SO YOU'RE [01:00:01] GONNA CREATE A SCHEDULE OF FEES. SO, YEAH. SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T, HOW, HOW MUCH HAVE WE, OH, SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD PAUL. HOW MUCH HAVE WE GOTTEN IN FILMING FEES SAY THIS YEAR? GOOD. ABOUT QUESTION. WE KNOW THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND I DO NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER. I APOLOGIZE. ATTENTION. EXCELLENT QUESTION. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT QUESTION. THAT'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET. YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. . NO, BECAUSE I'M SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE EXTRA DOLLARS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND HERE, 2000 THERE, 10,000 HERE. IF WE INCREASE THE FEES, IT'S GOING TO MORE THAN OFFSET A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, COSTS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. RIGHT. I I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TO STICK TO THE EXPENSES. YES. NOW AND THEN YOU AND I ARE GONNA JUMP INTO THE REVENUE . OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT I, I MAKE A SUGGESTION. YES. UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEXT WEEK AND THE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE WEEKS, COULD WE ALSO BE DOING REVENUES AS WELL? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY A BIG FACTOR IN TERMS OF KEEPING THE TAX, YOU KNOW, TAXES DOWN. IF, IF A DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO, UM, COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL REVENUES, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES LOOKING AT THEIR BUDGET, YOU KNOW? TOTALLY. IT IS A FACTOR IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT OTHER ASPECTS OF THEIR BUDGET. SO I ALREADY HAVE AN EYE ON IT. I WENT THROUGH ALL THE REVENUE. I'M SAYING FOR NEXT WEEK, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. WELL OF COURSE SHE'S GONNA DO THAT. NO, I THOUGHT, I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS ACTUALLY LIKE THE BEST PRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET HEARING SINCE I'VE BEEN SUPERVISOR. NO, I'M JUST SAYING NEXT WEEK WILL BE SOMETHING THAT NO, I'M JUST, I WANTED YOU TO TAKE NOTE THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE, UH, ACTUALS 2024 ACTUALS YOU'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. REALLY GOOD THOUGH. NO, THIS IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. TO UNDERSTAND AND WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REVENUE, WE'RE GONNA BRING 20, 22, 23 AND 24. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE YEARS AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR 25 AND ANY DRIVERS OR ANYTHING THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED THAT. LET, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD ON PROMISED ALL THE MAYORS YEAH, ALL THE MAYORS, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PROPOSED BUDGETS. THAT'S ALL OF THESE ARE A BUDGET ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. BEFORE THE BUDGET'S SUBMITTED, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GIVE, SAY TERRANCE COPIES OF THE PROPOSED DEPARTMENT BUDGETS? SO WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN WE SHOW THEM THE, SEND THEM THE TAPE, THEY COULD BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SEE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK IF THEY WANT TO READ IT. AND EVEN IF, IF YOU COULD GET MORE INFORMATION ON REVENUES, YOU COULD TELL ME YEAH. WHO'S TOWN? PARENTS CABLE, THE CABLE DEPARTMENT. OH NO, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU GIVE THEM, YEAH. SO AS THEY PRESENT, I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THEM AGAIN AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FOLDER WITH THE BUDGETS BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO LOOK AT AND RIGHT. AND THEN WE COULD GIVE IT TO . AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS AREN'T CLEAR THAT OKAY, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE ISSUING IT TO THE VILLAGES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS AND MORE. SO I, NOT THAT I'M, I I THINK IT'S WRONG FOR THEM TO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT WHATEVER NOTES WE CAN INCLUDE THAT CLARIFIES, WE PROVIDE THE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, DID WE PROVIDE THE VILLAGES WITH THE BUDGET YET? I WOULD NOT PROVIDE THEM WITH DEPARTMENTAL REQUESTS. I WOULD WAIT TILL WE GET TO THE NEXT PHASE AND THEN PROVIDE THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR WORK HERE. RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE LIKE A WORK IN PROGRESS HERE. YES. SO THEN WHEN WE'RE READY TO SAY HERE'S WHAT WE'RE, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT WE, THE NEXT PHASE IN THE PROCESS THEN, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT LISA, GREAT JOB. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HER FIRST, OUR FIRST FIRST BUDGET HEARING. YEAH. WE WEREN'T AS BAD AS YOU THOUGHT WE WERE GOING. BE . ALRIGHT, MR. SUPERVISOR, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. ARE WE, UM, OKAY. SO I'M MAKING A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS. DID I GET IT RIGHT? SECOND. SECOND. YES. FAVOR. THE FIRST TIME. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME. AYE, , YOU GOT IT RIGHT. AND WAIT A MINUTE. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. AYE. AND WE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.