* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 6, 2024 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] [00:00:03] WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 20. RECORDING IN PROGRESS. THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD. UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ACTING CHAIRPERSON? HAY. I AM HERE. MS. DAVIS. HERE. MR. GOLDEN? HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MR. PINE, PRESENT NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBERS JOHANN SNAGS AND AISHA SPARKS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. UH, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. DID ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING FROM I HAVE ONE COMMENT. I THINK DYLAN SAW IT ALSO AS JUST A VERY SMALL TYPO ON PAGE SIX. THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, SECOND LINE DOWN. UH, THERE WILL BE PERMANENT PAVEMENT MARKING SO THAT THE CAPITAL LETTER P CAN BE EASILY IMPLEMENTED. IT SHOULD BE THE TMP, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. OTHERWISE, I THOUGHT THEY WERE EXCELLENT. CAN I HEAR, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED? SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY, DYLAN AND COR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. I SEE ONE OR ONE ITEM OF CORRESPONDENCE ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THIS ONE? THERE IS NOT NO EXTENSIONS. I HAVE, WE OFFICIALLY VOTED ON THE CALENDAR FOR 2025. I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON THAT. I BELIEVE, UM, IN FACT, THE MINUTES SAID WE WERE GONNA VOTE ON THIS MEETING, SO THANK YOU. AND THERE IS ONE OTHER ITEM YES. THAT I COULD BRING UP AS WELL. SO WHY DON'T WE, UM, WE DID CIRCULATE THE CALENDAR AFTER DISCUSSION, I THINK LAST TIME BECAUSE WE JUST HAD ONLY A HANDFUL OF MEMBERS. NOT EVERYONE HAD HAD A CHANCE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE CALENDAR, BUT HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? ARE THERE ANY MEETINGS THAT YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT YOU'RE UNABLE TO MAKE WE WENT THROUGH THAT LAST TIME? OTHER THAN WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP ALREADY? OR ANY QUESTIONS? IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DATES? IS THAT HOW WE DO IT? YOU NEED A MOTION? APPROVE THE CALENDAR. TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR 2025 AS CIRCULATED. SO MOVED. LESLIE SECOND DYLAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. AND ONE OTHER ITEM. UM, SO AS WE KNOW, UH, MR. HAYES, ACTING CHAIRPERSON AND, UH, FOR A LONG TIME WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A VICE CHAIRPERSON, UH, ON THE BOARD TO STEP IN WHEN THE CHAIRPERSON IS NOT AVAILABLE OR UNABLE TO ATTEND. SO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH VARIOUS MEMBERS AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MS. DAVIS AS VICE CHAIRPERSON OF THE PLANNING BOARD. SO MOVED. SECOND DYLAN AND CORT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. GREAT. YOU CAN COME SIT OVER HERE NOW. I THINK YOU AND I. YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. THIS IS PB 24 18. WHY IS IT LISTED UNDER CORRESPONDENCE? UH, BECAUSE, UH, AS THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR, I'M GOING TO BE MAKING A REPORT TO YOU INSTEAD OF HAVING THE APPLICANT PRESENT. I KNOW, BUT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE? IT'S REALLY NOT CORRESPONDENCE. IT'S NEW BUSINESS. SO TRADITIONALLY, JUST A MINOR POINT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M PERSONALLY OFFENDED BY THE INAPPROPRIATE CLASSIFICATION APPLICATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR, THIS EGREGIOUS BREACH OF PROTOCOL. WE WILL SWITCH DIRECTIONS. NOW. WHY DO YOU PUT IT IN DIRECT IN CORRESPONDENCE? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IT'S FOR THE REASONS MATT STATED. THE FACT THAT IT'S DIDN'T SEE THAT IT'S NOT BEING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. SOMEWHAT INFORMAL. IT'S CORRESPONDENCE IN THAT HE'S PREPARING A REPORT ON THE ISSUE PROVIDED THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD GO TO MATT FOR A MINOR WETLANDS REVIEW. BUT THAT'S AFTER THE BOARD REFUSED. RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE NOT PRESENTING. SO I GUESS THAT'S THE DIS THE DISTINGUISHING CASE. THESE ARE ALL PRESENTABLE. MM-HMM, . OKAY. IF IT'S THE BOARD'S DESIRE FOR US TO, WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ANYONE THINKING THAT AN APPLICANT'S GONNA SHOW UP IF IT'S LISTED AS A FORMAL WORK, WELL SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION SECTION OF THE AGENDA FOR PRESENTATIONS. WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN? SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH JUST SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UM, AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT UP BY MEMBERS OVER THE YEARS ON MINOR, WHAT WE'LL CALL VERY MINOR WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATIONS, THE BOARD HAS SOUGHT TO MOVE FORWARD [00:05:01] IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER WHEREBY THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR PRESENTS THE APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WAIVE JURISDICTION AND TURN THE MATTER OVER TO THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR FOR A DECISION. UM, THOSE ARE IN CASES WHERE BASICALLY THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY IMPACT TO THE WATER COURSE, WHETHER IT BE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET OR ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THERE'S VERY MINOR GROUND DISTURBANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. SO, UH, THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY, AS I MENTIONED, EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY WITH THOSE APPLICATIONS. AND WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS PROCEDURE AND IT'S LAID OUT IN CHAPTER TWO 80 OF THE TOWN CODE. SO, ALRIGHT, THERE YOU HAVE IT. SO, SO THIS IS ALREADY BEING REVIEWED AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF. SO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF AND IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, UH, WHICH HAS ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROJECT. OKAY. UH, THE PROJECT ITSELF IS FOR A EXPANSION OF A GARAGE AND A FIRST FLOOR ADDITION. THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITION WILL HAVE TWO SUPPORT POSTS GOING INTO THE GROUND. AND IT'S THOSE TWO SUPPORT POSTS THAT ARE THE ONLY DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE WETLANDS BUFFER AREA. WHAT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE COMING IN? UH, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'LL BE GOING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE, THE HOUSE. THERE'S NO, UM, TREES, UH, OR ANYTHING BACK THERE TO KIND OF PROB LIKE INHIBIT, UH, ACCESS BY THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES. SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO AROUND THE, THAT'D BE THE, UM, NORTHERLY SIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO THEY WOULD NOT IMPACT THE COURSE? NO, NO. THE WATER COURSE IS ABOUT 85 FEET AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST POINT OF DISTURBANCE. AND IT'S OFFSITE AND BEYOND A FENCE THAT'S MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AND IT'S, THIS IS THE ONE, YEAH. SO THIS IS THE DRAWING. OH YEAH. WHY DON'T WE LET MATT JUST TAKE US THROUGH FROM THE TOP. GOOD. YEAH. SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE DRAWING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FLOOR EDITION, AND IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN ON THAT, UH, IF YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT, YOU SEE TWO LITTLE SQUARES. THOSE ARE THE SUPPORT POSTS, WHICH ARE THE ONLY ACTUAL DISTURBANCE, UH, WITHIN THAT BUFFER AREA, WHICH IS, 'CAUSE THAT IS AN ELEVATED SECTION, RIGHT? CORRECT. UM, THE DASH LINE THAT YOU SEE, UH, RIGHT ABOVE THE WORDS NEW FIRST, THAT IS THE BUFFER OF THE WATERCOURSE, UH, THE WONDERFUL BUFFER. OKAY. SO THE WHOLE HOUSE, IS IT A BUFFER? UH, THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE, MOST OF THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS OUTSIDE THE BUFFER. RIGHT. THE STREAM'S DOWN THIS WAY OFFSITE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. IS, IS NOW A GOOD TIME FOR QUESTIONS OR? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UM, I NOTICED THAT, UH, THE, THE DIAGRAM MENTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA BE REMOVING THE ABOVE GROUND POOL. WAS THAT FOR A PARTICULAR REASON OR SO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITE HAS HAD, THERE WERE SOME SEVERAL, SEVERAL ENCROACHMENTS OFFSITE MM-HMM. THAT ARE BEING RECTIFIED WITH THE SUBMISSION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. UM, AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S AN OFFSITE SHED THAT'S BEING MOVED TO, UH, AN APPROPRIATE ONSITE LOCATION AND THEY'RE REMOVING, UH, A POOL, UM, TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT. AND WHEN YOU SAY OFFSITE, YOU MEAN LIKE BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY LINE? BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY LINE? YES. OKAY. AND AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS SO ON THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY OR YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, IT WASN'T, IT'S NOT REALLY USED BY ANYBODY OTHER THAN THEM BECAUSE OF THE WATERCOURSE AND THE KIND OF THE, IT'S A VERY VEGETATED AREA. GOT IT. UM, SO THERE WAS NO LIKE DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLANS THERE'S A, A FOUR FOOT WIRE FENCE WITH A COUPLE GATES, UH, ON OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE ENCROACHMENTS. GOT IT. UM, IS, IS THE FENCE BEING RELOCATED OR, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING OFFSITE IS BEING REMOVED. GOT IT. WHEN YOU SAY OFFSITE, MEANING MEANING YEAH. OUTSIDE THAT PROPERTY? CORRECT. SO THIS DARK LINE'S, THE PROPERTY LINE, IN FACT, THE SHED CURRENTLY EXISTS OVER THE LINE AND THEY'RE MOVING IT, RELOCATING IT TO BE, UH, INSIDE THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND MEET THE REAR YARD SETBACK. MM-HMM. YES. RELATED TO SETBACKS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MM-HMM. ALL THESE ITEMS BEING RELOCATED TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE AND IT'LL BE IN COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY DO ALL THESE, UM, CHANGES. MM-HMM. IN ADDITION TO ANY WORK THAT'S [00:10:01] DONE IN THE WATERCOURSE AREA? CORRECT. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW THEY ARE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE, BUT THEY WILL BE ON THEIR PROPERTY RELATED TO SETBACKS. HOWEVER, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, DECK WOODEN DECK ON THE SOUTHERLY SIDE THAT DOES ENCROACH INTO THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, INTO THE SIDEY YARD SETBACK, EXCUSE ME. MM-HMM. . AND THAT IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN, UH, THE SETBACK IS FIVE FEET AND THEY'RE, UH, PROPOSING TO HAVE 2.67 FEET OF SETBACK, WHICH IS WHAT IT ALREADY IS, WHICH IS WHAT IT ALREADY IS. AND, UM, I LOOKED THROUGH SOME HISTORICAL FIELDS AND THAT DECK'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. SO ARE THEY SEEKING A VARIANCE? SO THEY ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE. UM, AND THEREFORE I AM REQUESTING THREE THINGS OF THE PLANNING BOARD. IF, UH, IT IS SO AGREEABLE, UH, TO CLASSIFY THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION, TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS VARIANCE AND TO TURN OVER THE, UH, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT TO THE TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR FOR A DETERMINATION. UM, I MOVE TO CLASSIFY IT AS A TYPE TWO. I SECOND MICHAEL AND LESLIE. ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE. AND I MOVE THAT WE, UM, MAKE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION. SECOND, MICHAEL AND LESLIE AGAIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THIS TO THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR SECOND, MICHAEL AND LESLIE ALL THE WAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. WE CAN NOTE WITH RESPECT TO THE NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION AND, YOU KNOW, SOLE DETERMINATION. YEAH. UP TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. GREAT FOR THE CORRESPONDENCE. , ANYTIME WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE DAY. ALRIGHT, SO NOW, UH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO, WE SITTING HERE AFTER RELOCATE UP TO THE DAY. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A THREE MINUTE BREAK TO GET RELOCATED. BARBARA, ARE YOU ALL READY FOR US? YES, AS ALWAYS. GREAT. UM, I WILL BE STEPPING OUT AS I AM CONFLICTED OUT OF THIS NEXT CASE, UM, FOR HAVING WORKED ON IT PREVIOUSLY AT MY PRIOR EMPLOYMENT. AND, UM, ED LIEBERMAN, THE ZONING BOARD ATTORNEY, WILL BE STEPPING IN FOR THIS CASE. OKAY, VERY GOOD. UH, MIKE'S OFF DOWN HERE PLEASE. THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, PLANNING BOARD. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ACTING CHAIRPERSON? HEY HERE, MS. DAVIS. HERE. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MR. PINE. HERE. MR. DESAI. HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBERS, MR. SNAGS AND MS. SPARKS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING, ED. AND WE DO HAVE FILLING IN FOR MS. MAGNA. WE HAVE MR. ED LIEBERMAN, UH, WHO IS COUNSEL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS STEPPING IN. SO THANK YOU MR. LIEBERMAN. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS CASE PB 2325, PRESS A GIMO. HOPE I DIDN'T BUTCHER THAT NAME. PERKINS. UH, SEVEN AND EIGHT RITA LANE, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. DO YOU WANT TO SET UP THE, UH, PROJECT, UH, VERY BRIEFLY? YES. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THE PRESTA GIACOMO PERKINS APPLICATION, WHICH IS A PRELIMINARY, PARDON ME, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION TO RE SUBDIVIDE TWO EXISTING LOTS. UH, THE EXISTING LOTS ARE BOTH IMPROVED WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND DRIVEWAY. I'M GONNA LET MR. TERRE WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THE, UH, FULL REQUEST. BUT THE APPLICANTS WERE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF A WORK SESSION. IT WAS RECOMMENDATION MADE TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THE APPLICANT'S MOVE THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PROCESS WHO HAVE ISSUED DECISIONS ON THE VARIANCE REQUESTS. UH, I'LL LET MR. TERRELL WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THAT, THOSE DECISIONS. AND, UH, WE'LL SEE IF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, HONOR. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME'S ANDREW TURO. I REPRESENT SALVATORE PRE GIACOMO. HE'S THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER OF EIGHT RITA LANE. SO THIS IS A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. UM, THE DRIVEWAY THAT SERVICES EIGHT RITA LANE IS ACTUALLY ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY OF SEVEN RITA LANE. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT TO SWING THE LOT LINE OVER SO THAT THE DRIVEWAY SERVICING EIGHT REEL LANE IS OWNED BY EIGHT REEL LANE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE NOT, UH, DISTURBING ANY GROUND HERE. WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING. THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION. UM, THERE, UH, IS NOT GONNA BE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DISTURBANCE OF EARTH [00:15:01] OR UH, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. IT'LL STAY AS IS. AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE LOT LINE TO BE SWUNG OVER. UH, WE WERE HERE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. UH, IT GAVE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO THE FOUR VARIANCES REQUESTED. UH, FOR SEVEN RITA LANE, THERE WERE TWO VARIANCES REQUESTED. ONE WAS FOR, UM, MINIMUM LOT AREA. IT WAS A REDUCTION FROM 88 78 TO 87 13 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT WAS ALREADY UNDERSIZED FROM THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR EIGHT READ LANE. WE WERE ASKING FOR A DRIVEWAY SETBACK OF 12 FEET AND A REDUCTION TO ZERO FEET 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS. NOW WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A SMALL PARKING SPOT, UH, FOR A DRIVEWAY SETBACK FROM 12 FEET TO 2.5 FEET. THAT WAS DENIED. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS REMOVE THAT SMALL PORTION OF DRIVEWAY. SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANY FURTHER. UH, BUT AS TO THE, UH, APPLICATION THAT'S PENDING BEFORE THE, YOUR, YOUR PLANNING BOARD, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE LAND WILL BE PRESERVED. LIKE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DISTURBANCE. THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE OFFICIAL MAP OF THE TOWN BECAUSE HE'LL ACTUALLY OWN HIS DRIVEWAY AT EIGHT RE LANE, WHICH IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE NOW FROM THE TOPOGRAPHY. UH, THERE'S NO REMOVAL OF ANY TREES OR NOT ANY EXCAVATION. AND, UH, WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION TWO 50 DASH 12 G OF THE TOWN CODE CONCERNING DRIVEWAYS, UH, DEGRADING OF THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE CURB LINE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T EXCEED 10%. IT'S VIRTUALLY A FLAT SURFACE. UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT LOCATED IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK BECAUSE THE VARIANCE WAS REQUESTED AND GRANTED. SO NOW WE'RE WITHIN, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE DRIVEWAY IS PERPENDICULAR TO READ A LANE. UH, SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST, UM, AND BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICATION. UH, AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SO I JUST, WHICH ONE IS I MISSED? WHICH, UH, VARIANCE WAS, WHICH VARIANCE WAS REJECTED. THERE WAS A SEEKING A, UH, DRIVEWAY SETBACK FROM 12.5 FEET, OR SORRY FROM 12 FEET TO 2.5 FEET. THAT WAS DENIED. AND, AND I'M GLOSSING OVER THAT WITH THE CURSOR ON THE OVERHEAD. MM-HMM, . SO, SO THE DRIVEWAY EXTENDS IN THIS DIRECTION. OKAY. LIKE THIS TOWARDS THIS, THE OPPOSITE OR THE NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE. IS THAT RIGHT? AND UH, THE REQUEST WAS FOR A VARIANCE TO, UH, GET THAT REDUCED DOWN TO TWO AND A HALF FEET AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THAT WAS DENIED. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT SMALL PORTION OF BLACKTOP IS GONNA BE REMOVED. AND WILL IT BE REMOVED TO THE 12 FOOT SETBACK OR REMOVED IN FULL? DO YOU, IT'LL BE REMOVED TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CORRECT. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES. I BELIEVE ONCE IT'S REMOVED, IT'LL BE MORE THAN 12 FEET FROM THE SIDE YARD SETBACK OR FROM THE SIDE YARD. OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE A SKETCH? HOW DOES IT LOOK LIKE OR HOW GO INTO IT? UH, THE, THE, UH, SURVEY THAT WE HAVE THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE TOWN, UH, BASICALLY SHOWS THE, CAN YOU, UM, PAN OUT AARON A. LITTLE BIT PLEASE? SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE ANGULAR PORTION. UM, MM-HMM. , THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE CONVEYED TO MY CLIENTS FROM SEVEN RITA LANE. CORRECT. SO THAT LOT LINE ON THE RIGHT IS GONNA BE SWUNG OVER UNTIL IT HITS THAT LEFT HAND LINE. MY QUESTION WAS QUESTION IS WHERE THE NEW DRIVEWAY WOULD BE? OKAY. THERE'S NO NEW DRIVEWAY, IT'S JUST, WE'RE GOING CONTINUE TO USE THE EXISTING, SO THIS IS EXISTING. IT, I THINK HIS QUESTION WAS, WHEN YOU REMOVE THE EXISTING NON-GRANT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE? UH, WE'RE GONNA PLANT GRASS THERE. I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE LEFT OF THAT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY? ARE YOU TAKING THE WHOLE THING OUT OR JUST UP TO THE LINE? UP TO THE LINE OF THE DRIVEWAY. SO THE DRIVEWAY IS, IS, UH, RECTANGULAR AND SHAPE. I MEAN, THAT SECTION YOU'RE REMOVING IS JUST THE PARKING SPOT. IT'S JUST THE PARKING SPOT THAT GOES OFF ONE CAR OFF OF THE OTHER DRIVEWAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S COMING OUT AND THE YEAH, THE REGULAR DRIVEWAY IS GONNA REMAIN. CORRECT. YES. THAT WAS, I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION WAS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, THAT'S IT. THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION. YEAH, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? HOW MANY PEOPLE? JUST SO WE CAN GET IT IN A SENSE. GONNA OKAY, PERKINS. OKAY. AND JUST SO THE BOARD'S AWARE, THEY'RE CO-APPLICANT. THEY'RE THE OWNERS OF SEVEN RITA LANE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE, UH, THE RECORD WHEN YOU GET TO THE YES. UM, MY NAME IS MIRIAM KELLER PERKINS. MY HUSBAND CLARENCE PERKINS. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN HE SAID NO DISTURBANCE. UM, THE PRESSURE GIACOMO'S ARE BUYING THE EXISTING ASPHALT WHERE THERE IS NO ASPHALT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUSHES. WE ARE GOING TO, SINCE WE WERE NOT GRANTED ANY TYPE OF SETBACK, WE WANT TO THEN PUT SOMETHING, UM, TO PREVENT THEM FROM COMING INTO OUR PROPERTY. 'CAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE [00:20:01] ON THE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY IS 13 FEET. IF THEY, IF WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING THERE, THEY'RE COMING RIGHT DOWN. OUR, OUR, OUR YARD. THAT'S, SO HE'S GOING TO SHOW A PICTURE. SO WE WANT, HE'S GONNA SHARE. SO I GUESS HE NEEDS PERMISSION TO SHARE. SURE, PLEASE. YOU CAN APPROACH THE DEATH AND I'M, I ZOOM IN ON THE PLAN TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE. WELL THAT'S KIND OF WELL, BUT YOU'LL SEE, I THINK YOU'LL SEE BETTER FROM THE PICTURE. ALRIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO BE SHARING, RIGHT? OH, SO YOU'RE GONNA SHARE ON THE SCREEN. SO I'M GONNA TAKE MINE DOWN. OKAY. SO I HAVE TO STOP SHARING FIRST AND THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO SHARE. YEAH, I SEE IT NOW. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT. SO LET'S SEE. OKAY. OH, WE'RE THE ONLY CASE I THINK TODAY IT'S A LOADED RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT IS SEPARATING YOU, THE, THE EDGE OF THAT DRIVEWAY. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. SORRY, CAN YOU JUST, I'M SORRY. IS THIS THE CAR THAT'S THERE ON THE RIGHT? THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR CAR. THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT THEY PUT SO SINCE THE TOWN DID NOT, OR THE ZONING BOARD DID NOT GRANT, GRANT A ZERO, UM, ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE A ZERO SETBACK? NO. GAVE THEM A ZERO SETBACK. THE ONLY THING THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEPARATE OUR PROPERTY. SO WHEN HE SAID NO DISTURBANCE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT WITHIN THE CODE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE THAT WE COULD PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE GOING UP TO THE FRONT. CAN YOU ALSO SHOW THEM THE FRONT, A PICTURE OF THE FRONT PLEASE. THERE'S NO DISTURBANCE IN CONNECTION WITH THE APPROVING OF THE LOT LINE, BUT YOU'RE WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS TO DO WHATEVER'S RIGHT. MR. CASE ALLOWABLE BY CODE CASE. WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD ASKED FOR WAS SOME KIND OF SETBACK, BUT THAT WAS NOT GRANTED. SO WE'RE JUST GOING WITH TO PUT THIS TO A BED. WE ARE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THIS IS A UTILITY EASEMENT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. YES, THAT WHOLE, THERE'S A 10 FOOT EASEMENT. SO WHERE YOU SEE THOSE BUSHES? MM-HMM? . MM-HMM. . OKAY. THERE IS, UM, THOSE BUSHES ARE GONNA COME DOWN BECAUSE THOSE BUSHES ARE IN THE DIRT THAT BELONGS TO US. NOW YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO OUR FRONT DOOR. WE WANT SOMETHING TO SEPARATE THEIR, THEIR CARS WHEN THEY GO DOWN THAT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY, THEN TO NOT GO INTO OUR FRONT DOOR OR TO THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE LEAVE HERE AND THEY SAID THERE'S NO DISTURBANCE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN THOSE BUSHES BECAUSE WE HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE WHERE CAR, THEIR TRUCK WAS BACKED INTO THOSE BUSHES HITTING THOSE BUSHES. SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KIND OF ELEVATE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FOUR FOOT OF STONE, THEN TWO FEET AND JUST PUT A ROD, IRON, ALUMINUM, SEE-THROUGH FENCE SO YOU CAN SEE IF SOMEBODY WAS COMING THROUGH. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. WE WE'RE CODE, WE WITHIN CODE, BUT THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. I WAS JUST QUESTIONING HIS WORDS. NO DISTURBANCE. OKAY. OF PROPERTY. AND I DON'T WANT THAT WHEN THEY SAID NO DISTURBANCE OF PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GONNA PUT A FENCE THERE. FENCE THERE. LOOK, WE APPRECIATE YOU NOTIFYING US. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT A WALL AND A FENCE THAT'S, WE UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD'VE TO SPEAK AT THE MIC. YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK AT THE MIC. UNDERSTAND. AND WE, WE AGREED AND THEY UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS THE PART OF THE, IN CONSTRUCTING WHATEVER WE PUT, THEY WOULD ALLOW US ACCESS SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS A PROBLEM BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT MEASURED THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET OFF THE PROPERTY. THEY HADN'T BEEN TRANSFERRED YET. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AS IT WAS STATED BEFORE, WE WOULD WORK WITH EACH OTHER. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO. SO WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO MEASURE IT, IT SEEMED TO BE A PROBLEM. AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, SO THAT THE SMALL WALL IS EVEN AND STRAIGHT AND THEN PUT THE FENCE ON TOP. A SMALL FENCE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. SO WHERE IS THE WALL? EXCUSE ME? I'M SORRY? WHERE IS THE WALL? IT'S, YOU SEE WHERE THE BUSHES ARE COMING OUT. HE'S GONNA SHOW YOU, HE'S GONNA SHOW ANOTHER PICTURE. IF THIS HELPS YOU, I CAN JUST SHOW YOU THE SAME SHARE. I MEAN YOU, THAT SAME PICTURE I USED BEFORE JUST SHOW, [00:25:01] UH, AARON WE'RE, WE'RE, OR MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ED. I, THIS MIGHT BE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT MY RECOLLECTION OF THE, THE FENCE CODE, YOU SAID SIX FEET OR FOUR FEET BECAUSE IT'S ON THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE. SO WHERE THE FENCE FOR THEM WOULD CONS CONTEMPLATE BEING IN THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. MM-HMM. . BUT FOR US, IT IS THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE. MM-HMM. . SO WHEN YOU'RE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU SEE THAT TREE AND YOU SEE THAT WHITE FENCE THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S THEIR FENCE. SO WE JUST WANT TO PUT A SMALLER LOWER LEVEL FENCE, ONCE AGAIN TO KEEP WATER OUT OF OUR YARD THAT IS COMING INTO OUR YARD. NOW FROM THERE TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING ACROSS. SO IT'LL PROBABLY COME UP THIS HIGH WITH A FOUR, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THAT'S TWO FEET WITH A FOUR FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE. THAT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT. EXCEPT WHEN YOU GET TO THE VERY FRONT, WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN FOUR FEET. SO THAT IS THE ANTICIPATION WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE WALL HERE, IF YOU, SO JUST EXCUSE ME FOR THAT STRING THAT I'M LOOKING AT. THAT'S THE LINE. THAT STRING IS NOT THE LINE. OKAY. UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, A , THAT'S NOT THE LINE. NOT FOR THE FENCE. THE LINE STARTS AT THE CORNER OF THE FENCE THAT YOU SEE THERE. THE RIGHT CORNER. YOU SEE THAT, MA'AM? YES. OKAY. AND DO YOU SEE IF YOU, IF YOU COME TOWARDS ME, YOU SEE TWO STICKS THERE? YES. RIGHT. OKAY. SO MAKE A LINE FROM THAT POST GOING THROUGH THE TWO STICKS AND THEN OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO GO ONTO THE ASPHALT. THAT'S, THAT'S CONSTITUTING THAT TRIANGLE. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING ON THE ASPHALT. WE'D HAVE TO COME BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A ZERO SETBACK. SO WE ARE GOING TO BUILD ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ASPHALT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, UM, THE ASPHALT BECOMES THE NEW PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT'S CORRECT. THE ASPHALT BECOMES THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING TRANSFERRED OVER TO THEM. RIGHT. SO AS SOON AS IT GETS TO THE ASPHALT, WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ANGLE IT, ANGLE IT, AND BRING IT, THEN BRING IT STRAIGHT TO THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE FENCE OR THE WALL IS IN YOUR PROPERTY? THE WHAT? IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY. IT'S NOT WHAT IS NOW CONSIDERED THE NEW, WHAT IS NOW CONSIDERED THE NEW PROPERTY LINE IS THEIR ASPHALT. THEIR ASPHALT IS THE NEW PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. THEY'VE AGREED TO ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. SO TO MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T PUBLIC, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WALL IS STRAIGHT ON OUR PROPERTY. SO WE MAY HAVE TO CROSS OVER. PLUS I SAID WE'RE ALSO REMOVING THOSE BUSHES. MM-HMM. . SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALLOWED, WE'RE REMOVING THOSE BUSHES. OKAY. EXCEPT FOR ONE BUSH IN THE FRONT THAT WILL BE CUT DOWN. ALL RIGHT. THEY USED TO BE CUT DOWN, BUT WE'RE REMOVING ALL THE OTHER ONES. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING. AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE THE NOTIFICATION. YES. YES. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE'RE PUTTING SOMETHING UP. OTHERWISE THEIR CARS WILL BE IN OUR YARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON THIS APPLICATION? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WE KNOW OF? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? IF SO, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME DOES NOT APPEAR TO, SO, OKAY. SO HOW LONG DO WE WANNA KEEP THE RECORD OPEN ON THIS ONE WEEK TO THE 13TH. ALRIGHT, SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL THE 13TH. SO MOVED FOR IT. ANY SECOND? SECOND, LESLIE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO THIS WILL BE, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WILL BE CONSIDERED A DECISION ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THE BOARD'S NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING. THAT'S TWO WEEKS FROM THIS EVENING. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE, IS THERE, ARE YOU BY THE CHANCE OF ASKING THE BOARD, BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THE WORK DONE IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PASS IT, IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA PASS IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THE WORK DONE BEFORE THE FROST SETS FOR, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PUT IN THE FOOTING FRIDAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GOING ON WITH THIS, HANG ON FOR A SECOND. OH, I'M SORRY. SO FENCES AND LANDSCAPING ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN JUST DO, UH, WITHOUT REQUIRING OTHER APPROVALS. UM, FENCES UP TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT CAN GO ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND ROUTINE LANDSCAPING IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST GET DONE, UH, FOR THOSE [00:30:01] BUSHES. SO YOU DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR A DECISION TO DO THAT. YOU CAN JUST, UH, HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND DO THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE'S THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TRANSFER OF LAND INVOLVED MONETARY VALUE. AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO STOP BUILDING THIS WALL IN FENCE AND FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO USE OUR YARD AND REPAY THE TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY. SO WHAT I'M ASKING, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA DENY THIS? BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING THE FENCE IN THE WALL ON OUR OWN PROPERTY KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET REIMBURSED FOR THE PROPERTY THAT FOR THIS LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT THAT IS BEING MADE, BECAUSE WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON ALL THIS TIME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ASIDE, YOU KNOW. OKAY. PROCEED. TELL ME THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. OKAY. NO, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. IF WE COULD, WE WOULD. NO. SO THAT MEANS AT LEAST WE KNOW WE CAN START THE BOTTOM HALF THAT'S TRULY ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT TELLS US. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. YOU TOO. OKAY, NEXT UP IS CASE NUMBER PB 1709 PRIZER, WHICH HAS BEEN DORMANT FOR A WHILE, IS NOW BACK. RIGHT. AND I CAN GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION. THANK YOU MR. LIEBERMAN. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GREAT JOB. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. WE'LL HAVE, UH, MS. MAGNA RETURN. UH, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON MS. MAGNA, I WILL JUST PROVIDE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION IF YOU COULD. THANK YOU. SO AS ACTING CHAIRPERSON HAY MENTIONED, UH, THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS A REQUEST FOR RE-APPROVAL OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR A PROJECT CONSISTING OF THE DEMOLITION OF ONE EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE NEW TWO STORY 10,126 SQUARE FOOT MULTI-USE AUTOMOTIVE AND TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY ON THE SUBJECT SITE WITH RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, THE APPLICANT WAS LA BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, AND OBTAINED A DECISION BACK IN 2017 APPROVING THE PROJECT. IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD AT THAT TIME. UH, SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT OBTAINED A MODIFIED, I'LL SAY VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IN CONNECTION WITH OFF STREET PARKING. SO THE SITE OR THE BUILDING AND THE SITE REQUIRE 102 PARKING SPACES UNDER THE CURRENT OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE APPLICANT IN 2017 OBTAINED AN AREA VARIANCE REDUCING THAT NUMBER DOWN TO 17 WITH A CONDITION THAT 25 ADDITIONAL OFFSITE SATELLITE PARKING SPACES BE, UM, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. AND THE APPLICANT WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR RELIEF FROM THAT CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE SATELLITE PARKING. AND IT PRESENTED BECAUSE THE SITE WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL SITE WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO THEM. CORRECT. THE SITE THAT THEY HAD IN MIND TO LEASE OR PURCHASE WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. CORRECT. SO THEY WENT THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND ON OCTOBER 24TH OF THIS YEAR, THE ZBA MODIFIED ITS PREVIOUS DECISION, REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR SATELLITE PARKING AND APPROVING A PLAN THAT PROVIDES FOR 28 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES WHERE THE 102 ARE REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO I'LL SHARE THE PLAN AND WE HAVE MR. REI HERE TO PRESENT AS WELL. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. PAUL PETTI, CIVIL ENGINEER, LAND SURVEYOR, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, GLENN PREISER. SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN BRIEFLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND BOARD MEMBERS THAT MAY HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENT AT THE TIME YOU PREVIOUSLY YEAH. AND SPECIFICALLY THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHY THIS IS GONNA BE A MUCH BETTER SITUATION THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, WHICH THOSE OF US THAT HEARD IT BEFORE UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THROW THE PLAN UP AND I'LL GO FOR IT. SO, UH, THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY. OKAY. AND, UH, AND, UH, IT'S, UM, THE WAY IT IS NOW, THERE'S A COUPLE EXISTING BUILDINGS THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN. OKAY. UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT UP A NEW BUILDING. OKAY. AND THAT NEW BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE PLAN. IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE. IT'S ROUGHLY A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CARS OKAY. INSIDE THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, THE THRUST OF THIS, THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS THAT WE KNOW, WE ALL KNOW IT FLOODS, UH, EXTREME DOWN THERE FREQUENTLY. OKAY. AND, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. [00:35:01] SO WE'RE GONNA PUT A NEW BUILDING UP. IT'S A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED. AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RAISE THIS BUILDING, IN FACT WE'RE RAISING IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE OF A BUILDING IN A FLOOD PRONE AREA SO THAT YOU'RE THREE FEET ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. SO NOW WE'RE RAISING IT UP AND THAT MEANS YOU GOTTA GET A RAMP TO COME INTO IT. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING, YOU SEE A BUNCH OF CARS. YOU SEE EIGHT CARS STACKED, THEY'RE ON THE RAMP. OKAY. AND THEN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE AREA IS JUST GONNA BE OPEN SPACE FOR NEGOTIATING, GETTING CARS AND TRUCKS IN. THE KINDA WORK HE DOES IS HE REPAIRS CARS, UM, FEDEX TYPE VANS, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT KIND OF VAN. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE WHOLE THING. HE GETS STILL ABOVE THE FLOOD WATER. OKAY. AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING. YOU GOT A, THIS IS AN AREA THAT, UH, TO BUILD A BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE A LOT OF PILES. I THINK WE'RE DRIVING, YOU KNOW, 198 STEEL PILES, ABOUT 40 TO 50 FOOT DEEP. OKAY. AND, UH, AND THEN THE SLAB OF THE BUILDING ON A RAISED CONCRETE SLAB. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS? UH, WELL, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE RAMP. SO RAMP IS INSIDE THE, YOUR PROPERTY OR OUTSIDE? NO, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE PROPERTY. THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE 225 FEET WIDE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND A HUNDRED FOOT DEEP. UH, THE BUILDING IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED. AND THE RAMP IS, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY, IT'S BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. YEAH, NO, I SEE THAT. SO IT'S A, SO HOW DO THE CAR, SO IT'S A, SO THE RAMP GOES IN VERY, VERY VARIED, DENSE, I MEAN, I SEE THE RAMP. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE RAMP IS ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY? NO, NO. OKAY. IT'S, UM, IT'S IT NOT VERY CLEAR. OKAY. JUST ABOUT WHERE THE CARS ARE, THE TAIL OF THE CARS, THE BACK OF THE CARS ON THAT RAMP, THAT'S WHERE THE RAMP STARTS AND IT RAMPS UP. WELL, THERE ARE CARS ON BOTH SIDE OF THE RAMP THEN. MM-HMM. , YEAH. THERE'S EIGHT, EIGHT CARS ON THE RAMP THAT COMES UP. AARON'S LOOKING FOR A SIDE ELEVATION, BUT IT YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE THE WASN'T AT THE READY, NOT YOU. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT WASN'T SOMETHING WE ANTICIPATED. SO THE, SO THE EIGHT PARKING CARS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING UNDER THE YES. THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT. YOU'RE CORRECT. YES. YEAH. AND THEN THE RAMP IS ELEVATED TO BRING, BRING THE CAR CONDESCENDING INSIDE. OKAY. YEAH. I THINK THE SECTION OR ELEVATION I'M GONNA SHOW, UH, RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. I MEAN, WE VISITED OUTSIDE. THERE YOU GO. I GOT A, I GOT A TRAIL, A TRACTOR FOR A TRACTOR TRAILER. SO IN THIS PICTURE, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, I USED TO SOME LARGE TRUCKS INSIDE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE'RE GONNA RAISE, GET THESE, GET 'EM ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN. THE WATER, THE BLUE THERE REPRESENTS THE FLOODPLAIN. OKAY. AT MAXIMUM FLOOD. SO YOU CAN SEE WHY YOU WANNA RAISE THAT BUILDING UP, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING'S ACTUALLY SITTING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT BLUE LINE BASICALLY. UH, YEAH. WELL, WHERE THE BUILDING IS RIGHT NOW, TOM IS REALLY, I MEAN, THE BUILDING THAT HE'S USING NOW. YEAH. IT'S RIGHT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOT TO GET IN THAT BUILDING, YOU GOTTA GO RIGHT OFF THE STREET. YOU GOTTA BACK IN FROM THE STREET. SO WE GOT KNOCKED DOWN THAT OLD BUILDING. OKAY. I WAS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, UH, FOR THE FIRST EDITION. OKAY. UH, TO A VERY OLD STRUCTURE QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO. AND THEN, UH, WE PUT ANOTHER BUILDING UP. BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE COMING DOWN. OKAY. BOTH OF THEM. AND YOU CAN SEE I HAVE A TRACTOR, YOU KNOW, DRIVING UP THE RAMP AND, AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. DOES THAT HELP? A LITTLE BIT OF IT, BUT, SO THE RAMP IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, TO THE BUILDING. YES. DO YOU? YES. I'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN. THE SAME WIDTH AS THE BUILDING, CORRECT? YEAH. THE WHOLE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING, THE WHOLE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SORRY. SPEAK, SPEAK UP. I'M LOOKING AT THIS ELEVATION WHERE THE, UM, TRAILER IS COMING IN. YES. THAT'S OFF THE STREET BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL COMING IN THROUGH THE FLOOD AS IF THE RAMP ONLY RAISES IT ABOVE THE FLOOD ZONE. THAT, THAT LASTS MAYBE HALF. AM I LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY? SO MAYBE THE QUESTION IS THAT LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING, THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE FOR NEGOTIATING. YEAH. IF YOU'RE PULLING A VEHICLE OUT, THAT'LL REMAIN MORE OR LESS AT EXISTING GRADE, WHICH THAT'S RIGHT. IS IN THE FLOOD. YEAH. SO THE RAMP GETS YOU UP OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN [00:40:01] AND THEN THE BUILDINGS SET ABOVE. YEAH. WHEN THIS SIDE FLOODS THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROPERTY, THE WHOLE AREA, THE WHOLE AREA FLOODS. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS. NO. AND THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT STILL SEEMS LIKE YOU WILL STILL BE DRIVING THROUGH. WELL THEY WON'T BE DRIVING. ONCE IT'S RAINING, THEY'LL PULL 'EM UP AND PARK 'EM ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN. RIGHT. THE, THE INTENT IS TO BRING EVERYTHING INSIDE THE BUILDING PRIOR TO SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT OUT WHEN THE FLOOD WATERS COME. AND REALLY, AND THIS WAS STUDIED QUITE A BIT LAST GO AROUND IN 2017. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST FILL IN THE PROPERTY AND RAISE THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE THAT COULD LEAD TO OFFSITE IMPACTS. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT PERSON. SO PAUL, WHERE IS THE, UH, WHERE IS THE PART EIGHT CART THAT YOU STACKED? IS IT, UH, IT DOESN'T SHOW HERE, RIGHT? YEAH, WELL WE, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN THAT TRACTOR TRAILER, THE, THE CAB AND THE BUILDING. RIGHT. THEY WERE ON THE, THE UPPER PART OF THE RAMP. OKAY. SO IF YOU TOOK THE TRUCK OFF IN THE PICTURE, PUT THE CARS ON. OKAY. BUT JUST UP A LITTLE FURTHER. YEAH, A LITTLE FURTHER. OKAY. EXACTLY. OH, SO THE CARS, HOW YOU SAY THE UNDERGROUND, RIGHT? NO, NO. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE RAMP. LISTEN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PLAN AND THE PROFILE HERE, THE SECTION IS THAT THIS IS FROM THE OLD APPLICATION 2017, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I DIDN'T USE CARS, I PUT TRUCKS THERE. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS A MIX. I MEAN, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YOU HAVE, YOU GONNA HAVE BIG, YOU CAN HAVE BIG TRUCKS IN HERE, LITTLE TRUCKS IN HERE, AND YOU'RE GONNA YEAH. YEAH. UH, VANS. SO, SO ON THE OPPOSITE TO THAT, THAT'S A, WHERE YOU SHOW THE STAIRS AND SOME DUMPSTERS, THEY'RE ALL OPEN OR IS THERE WITHIN THE BUILDING? ON, ON THE PLAN. ON THE SITE PLAN. ON THE SITE PLAN. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S AT GRADE. THAT'S AT GRADE, YEAH, ON THE, OH, SO THERE IS A BUILDING THERE CURRENTLY, BUT NOT FUTURE CONDITION. OH, OKAY. SO THIS IS EXISTING. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU HAVE THIS, MARK IT UP. THIS IS EXISTING, THIS IS NEW. OKAY. I'M CLEAR NOW. OKAY, GOOD. I HAD A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ALREADY ASKED. SO I BELIEVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RAISED A CONCERN ABOUT THE LOCATION OF CARS IN THE FIRE LIEN OR, OR, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS. AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD MADE CHANGES TO THE PLANS. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT ON THE RECORD. YEAH. THIS IS THE CHANGED PLAN THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, BETWEEN, UH, GARRETT AND MYSELF AND AARON BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE RESOLVED IT THAT YOU CAN HAVE EIGHT CARS ON THE RAMP. OKAY. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA THERE. SEE THAT LITTLE VACANT AREA THERE WITH NO CARS? I HAD CARS THERE BEFORE. RIGHT. THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY NEED CLEAR ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND VEHICLES IN THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, A FIRE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE BUILDING. SO, UH, WHAT WAS DECIDED UPON WAS LEAVING THIS CENTRAL AREA OPEN FOR ACCESS. AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE, UH, THE OPENING BETWEEN THE TWO SETS OF FOUR VEHICLES EACH. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH. SO, SO THE WHOLE DUMPSTERS AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE NOT THERE. ALL THESE OTHER LINES YOU SHOW, I THINK PAUL WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU COULD HAVE A, A PLANT THAT IS A, UH, DEFINED STUFF. WHAT IS A, OKAY, SO WHAT IS IT? HOLD ON. ASSISTING AND REMOVED. AND THEN WHAT IS YOU ARE GOING BUILDING NEW ONE. OKAY, WELL ANYWAY, I, I GOT, THERE IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN. DO YOU HAVE THAT, AARON? BUT THIS IS NOT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIS IS WHAT IT'S BE NO, THIS IS GONNA PROPOSED CONDITION. RIGHT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONDITION. THIS IS THE PROPOSED. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, THE DUMPSTERS WILL BE, THERE ARE DUMPSTERS IN THE BACK ON THIS, BUT THE STAIR THAT YOU SHOW IN THIS PLANT THAT WAS PART OF IT, I THINK CALLED AARON. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SEDIMENTATION TANK? NO, NO, NO. THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE STAIRS, RIGHT? THEY'RE GOING RIGHT THIS, RIGHT NOW. THIS, THIS HERE. WHAT IS THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS? THAT'S, UM, IS THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THE SEDIMENTATION TANK? YEAH, THAT'S CAN BE. IT'S NOT STAIRS. IT'S NOT STAIRS? NO, IT'S NOT STAIRS. IT'S ON A GROUND OF THE STORMWATER. SO IT'S PART OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. WHAT IS IT? IT'S MEANT TO LISTEN, WHEN THIS SITE FLOODS, YOU GOT FOUR FEET OF WATER ON IT AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DEBRIS. OKAY. RIGHT. AND YOU NEED A PLACE TO PUT THOSE DEBRIS. YOU JUST CAN'T SWEEP 'EM OUT INTO THE STREET. SO THAT DEVICE WILL CATCH IT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. AND THEN IT WOULD BE CLEANED OUT PERIODICALLY. YEAH. ON A MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE. YES. IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT IS THE DARK LINE IS IN FRONT OF THAT STAIR? [00:45:01] YEAH. WHAT IS THAT THING? IS THAT THE GATE TO THE FENCE? NO, THIS DARK LINE. NO, IT IS JUST A LINE ON, ON THE DRAWING. PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE. . IT'S LOOKS LIKE A, THERE IS A FENCE AND THEN FENCE. WELL, YEAH, IT SAYS THE FENCE IS NOT THERE. OR FENCE IS THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH SLIDING GATE TO THE LEFT OF THAT DARK LINE. YEAH. RIGHT. I IT SAYS PROPOSED LOW REINFORCED CONCRETE WALL FOUR FOOT HIGH RAILING ON TOP. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE BLACK LINE IS. AND TO THE LEFT IS THE, THE SLIDING GATE ESSENTIALLY FOR ACCESS INTO THE SITE FROM NEEN? YES. SLIDING GATE TO CLOSE. WHAT, WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THE, UH, WHERE IS THE REST OF THE, UH, FENCE OR THE WALL THAT SEPARATES OUTSIDE TO INSIDE OR, AND ANYWAY, I MEAN, I'M GETTING THE, SO WHERE THE STANDING, BUT WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU ARE GETTING US TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN , OR WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, ON THE PLAN IT SHOWS AN EIGHT FOOT LI EIGHT FOOT HIGH CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER. YEAH. AND THERE'S A SLIDING GATE IN THE FRONT. I ASSUME THAT'S ALONG THE STREET. IT'S, YES. IT'S NOT LABELED. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION, CORRECT. NO, NO, NO. WHERE IS THIS, UH, DARK LINE, WHICH HE SAYS IT'S NOTHING OR IT'S JUST SOME KIND OF A WALL'S. IT'S A FOUR FOOT HIGH WALL WITH A RAILING ON TOP. THAT'S RIGHT. I SEE. SO THEN, THEN IT GOES DOWN TO THE REGULAR CHAIN LINK FENCE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT DOWN TO THE FENCE. WHAT IS IT? RIGHT, EXACTLY WHERE THE GATE IS GONNA GO. UM, REALLY HASN'T, THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THAT YET. OH, OKAY. OKAY. THERE WILL BE, IT HAS TO BE. OKAY. SO, SO, SO THE GATE WILL BE BETWEEN THAT DARK LINE AND THE CARS THAT HAVE BEEN STACKED UP? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF YOU CAN JUST POINT IT OUT THAT BE EASY TO, WE WON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU THIS MANY QUESTIONS. WELL, I MEAN, IT IS LABELED ON THERE. YEAH. AND WE CAN MAKE SURE IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS VERY CLEAR ON. EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEIR OFFICE HAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT IT CAN BE CLARIFIED YEP. IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWING. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH. IT'S A, IF THE BUILDING OR DEPARTMENT HAS NO QUESTIONS, I DON'T. GREAT. ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD WITH QUESTIONS? ANYONE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? FOR THOSE AT HOME? THERE'S ONE SOLE PERSON OUT THERE AND WE KNOW SHE'S NOT CONNECTED TO THIS. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT, THAT WANTS TO WEIGH IN? ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? NO. UH, AGAIN, THE 13TH. YES. TO KEEP THE RECORD OPEN, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 13TH? SO MOVED. THANK YOU, DYLAN. SECOND. SECOND, LESLIE. ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. PETTI. SO THIS WILL BE BACK ON NOVEMBER 20TH FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DECISION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. SHOULD WE JUST STAY UP HERE FOR THIS? WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION AND UNLESS EVERYONE WANTS TO MOVE BACK DOWN, WE CAN STAY UP HERE. IT'S NOT A SUPER COMPLEX PROJECT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO OPEN UP THE PLANS DOWN THERE. SOMETIMES WE DO. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OBJECTION TO HANDLING THE, THE LAST PROJECT UP HERE ON THE DAYS IS AND IF THE APPLICANT'S ON ZOOM ANYWAY. YEAH. UM, SO YOU JUST WANNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC. SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT? SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. LESLIE AND DYLAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU BARBARA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BARBARA. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE MOVING BACK INTO WORK SESSION. WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION, IT IS CASE PB 24 0 8, CROSSROAD SHOPPING CENTER, 360 7 TO 4 59 TERRYTOWN ROAD, AMENDED PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION. WE APPROVED SOMETHING EARLIER THIS YEAR, WASN'T IT? AND THEN IT WAS, THIS IS JUST A, A CHANGE IN KIND OF THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, BUSINESS THAT WAS IN CONSIDERATION BEFORE. RIGHT. THE, THE APPLICANT HAS COME IN A FEW TIMES NOW, UH, TO CONVERT PRE-EXISTING RETAIL SPACE INTO RESTAURANT SPACE ON THE SITE, VARIOUS LOCATIONS WHERE IT KIND OF THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE INTEREST AND UM, THE BOARD HAS ISSUED A NUMBER OF PARKING [00:50:01] REDUCTIONS. UM, BUT THE APPLICANT AS IT'S FOUND INTEREST FROM PROSPECTIVE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IN ALTERNATE LOCATIONS, WE'VE ALWAYS ASKED THAT IT COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE FROM AN OFF STREET PARKING STANDPOINT, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION STANDPOINT AND JUST CLUSTERING OF SIMILAR TYPE USES STANDPOINT THAT THE LOCATIONS BEING IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT ARE SATISFACTORY TO THE BOARD IN ORDER TO ISSUE THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION. SO WE DID HAVE, UH, JOHN CANNING OF KIMLEY HORN REVIEW THIS PROPOSAL. HE'S ON THE ZOOM AS WELL TONIGHT. UH, WE HAVE MICHAEL THOMPSON HERE FROM JOHN MEYER CONSULTING WHO WILL PRESENT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. HI, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHARE, LEMME KNOW IF THAT SHOWS UP FOR YOU. YEP. OKAY. SO MY NAME IS MICHAEL THOMPSON FROM JMC. UH, TONIGHT WE'RE REPRESENTING ACADIAN REALTY, UH, THE OWNERS OF THE CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER SITE. UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD ENLARGE IT A BIT ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. YOU NEED TO SEE THE LAST ONE? NO, WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THE LAST ONE. GOODNIGHT, BARBARA. GOODNIGHT. BARBARA. ONE SECOND. MM-HMM, . GOOD POINT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO AS AARON SAID, THERE WAS A, A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST THAT WAS GRANTED BY THE BOARD IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. AND SO TO AMBER, BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THAT SHARED PARKING REQUEST, UM, JUST TO, AS HE MENTIONED, THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL OF THE YEARS. SO JUST TO SORT OF ORIENT YOU WITH THE SITE, UM, NORTH IS UP ON THIS PLAN. ROUTE ONE 19 HERE ALONG THE TOP, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE LARGE STORES THERE, THE BJ'S IN THE CENTER, HOME GOODS, PJ ON THE LEFT, DSW ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN CHASE BANK, THE LITTLE CHASE BANK BUILDING UP BY ONE 19. UM, THE SITE IS IN THE UR DISTRICT, SO THE CODE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 200 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND THEN ONE SPACE FOR EVERY A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD IN THE PAST FOR SHARED PARKING WAIVERS AND THE BOARD'S ALWAYS HAD AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CENTER HAS ENOUGH PARKING TO ADEQUATELY SERVE ITS NEEDS. UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S ALLOWED TO BE 27,833 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT SPACE ON THE SITE, UM, WITH ALL THE, WITH ALL THOSE WAIVERS AND THEN THE REST OF THE SITE BEING RETAIL. UM, TO TONIGHT THERE'S GONNA BE NO CHANGE IN THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOT APPROVED RESTAURANT ON THE CENTER. WE'RE JUST SIMPLY MOVING RESTAURANT SPACES AROUND IN ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND I'LL POINT OUT TO WHERE THE RESTAURANTS ARE CURRENTLY. UM, SPACE TWO HERE IS APPROVED AS A RESTAURANT SPACE. IT'S CURRENTLY RETAIL. THAT'S ONE OF THE SPACES THAT WE WANT TO MOVE. UM, SPACE FOUR IS PANERA BREAD AND THEN SPACES 11 AND 12. THAT'S THE DONUTS AND THE SUSHI SEAFOOD BUFFET. WE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, PA O'REILLY'S SPACE 20 HERE IS VACANT. WE WANT TO TAKE A PORTION OF THIS SPACE, CONVERT IT TO RETAIL SO WE CAN USE THE RESTAURANT ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE. UM, SPACE IS THE RAIN RESTAURANT ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW ARE ALL IN THESE SMALL BUILDING ONE 19, THE CHIPOTLE, THE BAGEL PLACE AND THE DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN. THE PLACES WE WANNA MOVE THE RESTAURANTS TO, UM, SPACE 25, UH, SORT OF TO THE LEFT OF PARTY CITY. SO IT'S SIMILAR TO WHERE 20 IS AND THE OTHER SPACE IS 39 B OUT ON THIS BUILDING. UM, THAT HAS CHIPOTLE AND THE CHICKENS, THE CHICKEN, THEY HAVE CHICKEN PLACE AND THE, AND THE BAGEL PLACE. UM, I WANNA NOTE THAT ON THE SPACE 39 B, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE TO THE EAST TOWARDS THE CHASE BANK SIDE TO ENCOURAGE THE PARKING FOR THAT RESTAURANT IN THIS AREA. UM, ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE 12 SQUARE FOOT APPROVED RESTAURANT IN THE CENTER. WE'RE SIMPLY MOVING APPROVED RESTAURANT SPACES FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER. UM, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN THE, THE YELLOW SLICE, WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF [00:55:01] ORIGINALLY, DIDN'T WE GRANT TWO RESTAURANTS THERE AND THEN YOU'RE JUST MOVING ONE OVER A BIT? YEAH, WE'RE MOVING. HERE'S ANOTHER MAP TO SORT OF ILLUSTRATE IT. SO THIS GREEN HERE, THIS IS A APPROVED RESTAURANT TO BECOME RETAIL. THIS, UH, SPACE HERE THAT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE, I GUESS UTAH HERE, IT'S APPROVED AS RESTAURANT WHEN I LEAVE HALF OF IT AS RESTAURANT AND SWITCH. THE OTHER HALF IS RETAIL AND THEN THIS SPACE 25 HERE, IT'S CURRENTLY RETAIL TO BECOME RESTAURANT. AND THEN SPACE 39 B OUT ON THIS OUTBUILDING IS RETAIL TO BECOME RESTAURANT. AND THE 39 B THAT IS A PORTION OF THE FORMER PIER ONE IMPORTS. IS THAT, UM, YES. LET'S SEE. YEAH, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR, FOR SOME TIME NOW. YEAH, IT WAS PURE ONE. OKAY. YEAH. SO CAN YOU SHOW, UM, IN YOUR MATERIALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD, YOU SHOWED SOME AERIALS, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATING? OH, SURE. YEAH. SO THESE ARE, WE HAD TOOK SOME DRONE SHOTS BACK IN, UH, DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS SHOWN THE BOARD BEFORE. AND WE ALSO PROVIDED THESE WITH THE CALCS TO THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT. UM, UM, THIS, UH, WE TOOK JOAN SHOTS ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 1ST AND AT NOON, AND THEN SATURDAY, DECEMBER 2ND AT 2:00 PM AND 6:00 PM SO THIS IS THE FRIDAY ONE. UM, AND I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE AREAS IN QUESTION. SO THIS IS WHERE THE SALAD, THE SPACE 25 IS IN THIS AREA. UM, SPACE 20 IS RIGHT HERE. SO IF WE SORT OF SHIFTING PART OF RESTAURANT SPACE RIGHT OVER HERE AND THEN I ZOOM OVER, THEN THIS IS WHERE SPACE 39 B ON THE SOUTH BUILDING WITH THE ENTRANCE FACING TO THE EAST. THIS IS THE CHASE BANK HERE. SO THE PARKING WOULD BE, MOST OF THE PARKING WOULD BE IN THIS AREA FOR CUSTOMERS. UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE SATURDAY AT TWO. THIS WAS THE MOST CROWDED OF THE THREE. UM, AND HERE'S THE, UM, UH, SPACE 25 RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS THE SPACE THREE NINE B OVER HERE. SO YOU SEE THERE'S STILL PARKING AVAILABLE, UH, EVEN ON THESE PEAK WEEKEND, UH, IN DECEMBER. OKAY. UM, UH, I THINK THE NUMBERS FOR THAT, UH, YEAH, WE, RIGHT NOW ON THIS ONE, THE WHOLE SITE AT SATURDAY AT 2:00 PM WAS 42% FULL. AND FOR THESE AREAS IN PARTICULAR, THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER 50% FULL. UM, AND SO EVEN WITH ASSUMING THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RETAIL SLOTS FULL, UM, AND BASED OFF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WE WOULD STALL ONLY EXPECT ABOUT 54% OF PARKING SPACES FILLED AND ABOUT 60% IN THIS AREA. LESLIE, WERE DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, UH, I WANTED TO KNOW IF THESE WERE THE LATEST DRONES AND IF YOU HAD ANY DURING THE WARMER MONTHS AND IF YOU HAD ANY DURING THE EVENING. UH, WHAT'S, UH, DO YOU KNOW THE PROJECTED TIME THAT THE RESTAURANT WILL BE OPEN? UM, YEAH, IT BE STANDARD TIME, BUT I BELIEVE ONE OUR, WHEN WE LOOKED UP THE DATA, WE PICKED OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BUSIEST TIME FOR THE RESTAURANT USE AND THAT'S HOW WE CHOSE THESE TIMES. SO WE, INSTEAD OF WEEKDAY AT LUNCHTIME, NOON, AND THEN A WEEKEND AT TWO, AND THEN AT 6:00 PM UM, FOR THE AFTERNOON AND THE EVENING RUSHES OF THE, OKAY. CAN YOU SHOW US THAT 6:00 PM YEAH, HERE'S THE 6:00 PM AND ENDED UP BEING THE, THE LEAST, THE LEAST CROWDED OF THE THREE. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF OPENINGS AT 6:00 PM I ASKED BECAUSE AT THAT TIME RA, WELL THAT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER IN TERMS OF THE RESTAURANT, BUT DUCK, IT'S STILL NOT OPEN. ACTUALLY IT WAS OVER THERE. THE NEW DUCK CHICKEN OR IS IT, WHAT IS IT CALLED? DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN. DAVE'S HOT'S HOT CHICKEN, NOT CHICKEN. YEAH, DUCK DONUT. DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN IS NOT OPEN YET. RIGHT. AND THIS, THE PICTURES WE'RE SEEING ARE WINTER. MM-HMM. . SO I JUST WAS WONDERING AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE MR. CANNON CAN ANSWER IT IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. YEAH. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. CANNING ON WHAT HE'S LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSAL. [01:00:02] BUT THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE I DYLAN? YOU LOOK LIKE SOMETHING YEAH. YEAH, I THINK I'LL ALLOW QUESTIONS. HOLD ON. DYLAN WAS OKAY MOTIONING FIRST. YEAH. SO I, I I NOTICED IN THE CHART ON PAGE TWO THAT THERE'S REFERENCE TO SALAD HOUSE AND I THINK IT WAS RICO'S PIZZA. RIGHT. ARE THOSE CONFIRMED POTENTIAL TENANTS OR THOSE ARE POTENTIAL TENANTS? UM, I MEAN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD JUST BE FOR THE SPACE ITSELF NOT TIED TO THOSE TENANTS SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. UM, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE THE POTENTIAL TENANTS. OKAY. AND AARON, BUT SO WOULD THEY, SINCE I'M STILL SORT OF NEW TO THIS, WOULD THEY COME BACK TO, TO APPLY TO THE BOARD OR IF SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF TENANT SPACE 39 WAS FOR WHATEVER REASON NOT TO BE OCCUPIED BY RICOH'S PIZZA? NO, IT'S FOR THE SPACE ITSELF. OKAY. UH, AND THE USE. AND SO I ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SPACE, I, I GUESS CONCEPTUALLY IS THERE, UM, A PLAN TO HOW MANY SEATS THESE RESTAURANTS WOULD HAVE? 'CAUSE THAT'LL CERTAINLY IMPACT THE, THE DEMAND ON PARKING. UM, YEAH, WE JUST WENT BY THE, THE TOWN CODE, WHICH IS YEAH. BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RESTAURANTS. SO ONE PARKING SPACE FOR A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF THE RESTAURANT. RIGHT. SO THERE, THERE, THEY DID GO BY THE CODE. OKAY. WHICH IT IS DIFFERENT IN THE UR DISTRICT THAN IN OTHER DISTRICTS. BUT, UM, I THINK KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO MR. PINE'S QUESTION WAS, FOR ME ANYWAY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE RICO'S PIZZA IN TENANT SPACE 39 B, DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S KIND OF A TYPICAL PIZZERIA IN AND OUT TYPE OF THING, OR MORE LIKE A PIZZERIA SLASH RESTAURANT WHERE THEY MAY BE, YOU KNOW, A SIT DOWN DINNER CROWD, THINGS OF THAT NATURE? DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THAT? UM, NO, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY TO THAT. UH, IT IS LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER RESTAURANT SPACES THOUGH, SO I WOULD THINK THERE'D BE SOME SEATING FOR, I WOULD ASSUME WHATEVER RESTAURANT ENDS UP GOING IN THERE WOULD HAVE SOME SEATING. RIGHT. WHICH COULD LEND ITSELF TO LONGER STAYS SURE. AND LESS TURNOVER. YEAH. AND, AND MY, MY ONLY OTHER OBSERVATION, AND I'M, UH, EAGER TO HEAR FROM, FROM JOHN CANNING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST IN THE TWO O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY ZONE, UH, UH, DRONE, THERE WAS THE MOST PARKING AVAILABLE IN AREA C, WHICH IS WHERE THE, THE CURRENT VACANCY IS. UM, THE ONE THAT WOULD BE CONVERTED FROM RESTAURANT TO TO RETAIL AND WHERE THE RESTAURANTS WOULD BE MOVED TO. YOU'D MENTIONED THEY WOULD PULL FROM AREA D AND AREA B AND PARKING, WHICH ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE. AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 FEET TO, TO GO TO THEIR DESTINATION. BUT IT IS AT LEAST FROM MY SORT OF AMATEUR PERCEPTION, UH, MOVING, MOVING, UH, A, A RESTAURANT TO AN AREA WHERE PARKING IS A, A LITTLE BIT LESS AVAILABLE, AT LEAST FROM THAT, THAT ONE MOMENT IN TIME THAT THE, THE DRONE SHOT. RIGHT. AND THAT, AND THAT'S RIGHT. IT IS, IT IS, IT IS. YOU ARE CORRECT. UM, THERE IS SLIGHTLY MORE PARKING AVAILABLE IN, IN C THAN THAN B AND D. UM, BUT STILL WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS OF ALL THE RETAIL SPACES BEING FULL, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING AND ALL OF THE AREAS. UM, YEAH. YEAH. AS AS, YEAH. I THINK LESLIE'S POINT ABOUT GETTING SOME UPDATED DRONES, ESPECIALLY, IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR WHEN DAVE'S CHICKEN WILL BE ONLINE? IT SHOULD BE VERY SHORTLY. SHOULD BE IN THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE WEEKS. OKAY. AND JUST SPEAKING TO THE DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN, WHEN STAFF WAS PRESENTED WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WE HAD IDENTIFIED THE FACT THAT DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN HAD NOT YET OPENED. UM, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT TODAY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. THOMPSON, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PRIOR, UM, PROPOSAL AT THIS SITE, THERE WERE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE OUTBUILDING OR NORTH OF TENANT SPACE 39 B. THOSE HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT TO, UM, MODIFY THAT LITTLE PARKING AREA TO A ONE-WAY TRAVEL FROM EAST TO WEST RATHER THAN A TWO-WAY, WHICH IT HAD BEEN, UH, HISTORICALLY. SO THAT WAS IDENTIFIED. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY STAFF WAS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT WAS RECEPTIVE TO PLACING THE FRONT ENTRY DOOR TO TENANT SPACE 39 B ON THE EASTERLY SIDE VERSUS THE NORTHERLY SIDE, SO THAT ANY OF THE PATRONS WOULD KIND OF, UH, PARK TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT MORE AVAILABILITY RATHER THAN TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS A TIGHTER, YEAH. [01:05:01] TIGHTER AREA ON THE SIDE. GREAT, THANK YOU. I WOULD ONLY CAUTION IF YOU'RE GONNA DO DRONES OR, YOU KNOW, COUNTS WHEN DAVE'S CHICKEN, DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN OPENS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LOT MORE INTEREST RIGHT WHEN IT OPENS. SURE. AND YOU CAN'T ASSUME THAT'S GONNA CONTINUOUSLY SURE. YOU WANT TO GET SOME DOWN THE LINE TOO, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR SO LATER, A FEW WEEKS AGO. I, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE, AND, AND MR. DEA DOES AS WELL. UM, SO JUST WANT CONFIRMATION THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LEASE SIGNED ON EITHER TENANT SPACE AT THIS POINT? UM, NO. THE, THEY'RE LEASES ARE OUT, BUT NO, THEY'RE NOT OFFICIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. GRIT. UH, MY QUESTION IS THAT HOW THESE RESTAURANTS, SINCE IT'S ALL SCATTERED IN THEM, UH, ALONG THE SHOPPING SECTOR, SO DO THE, DO YOU KIND OF GUIDE THEM WHERE THERE IS A LESS OF THE, UH, ISSUES WITH THE PARKING? OR HOW DO THIS SORT OF, UH, THEIR LOCATION HAS BEEN, UH, DECIDED OR BEEN SELECTED? IT, IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT, UM, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SPACE, THEY HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA IN MIND THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'LL HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA. SOME SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE, A CONCERN ABOUT PARKING, THEY ALL COME, COME IN WITH A SET GOAL IN MIND, AND THEY LOOK AT VARIOUS SHOPPING SITERS AND SEE WHICH ONES CAN MEET THEIR NEEDS. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR SOMEONE LIKE ACAIA TO BE ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE, UM, WITH, WITH THE SPACES SO THAT WAY THEY CAN, UM, SATISFY THESE TENAL CRITERIA UNTIL THE TENANTS COME TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER AND NOT ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. I, I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THAT, IS, IS MOST OF THE SPACES BEING CONVERTED FROM RETAIL TO RESTAURANT? NOT , NO. THERE'S STILL, THERE'S FAR MORE RETAIL IN, IN THE CENTER THAN THERE IS RESTAURANT. THERE'S, UH, SEE HOW MANY, THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8 RESTAURANT SPACES IN THE CENTER OUT OF 40 SPACES, SO, OKAY. AND RETAIL AND SQUARE FOOT IS WISE AND SQUARE FOOT RISE? ALL THE LARGEST, ALL THE LARGEST, UM, ONE, THE LARGEST AREAS ARE RETAIL. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR I, ONE OTHER QUICK, SORRY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. ONE OTHER QUICK COMMENT. UM, WHEN YOU PRODUCE, UH, THE, THE CONDITIONAL DRONE SHOTS IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF, IF YOU CAN JUST OVERLAY THE, THE UNITS THAT ARE BEING TRANSFERRED ON THE DRONE SHOT ITSELF, SO WE CAN SORT OF SEE CLEARLY WHERE, WHERE THE RESTAURANT, WHERE THE VACANCIES ARE NOW, AND WHERE THE RESTAURANTS WOULD BE LOCATED ON THIS MAP VERSUS FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH ON THE TWO MAPS. I HAD ONE, ONE COMMENT. SO, UM, IN SEEING THAT TENANT SPACE 20 IS PARTIALLY REVERTING TO RETAIL AND A PORTION WOULD RE REMAIN AS A RESTAURANT USE, IS THERE A SEPARATION OF WALLS OR DOORS OR, OR, UH, TO SEPARATE THE RETAIL USE FROM THE RESTAURANT USE? YEAH, SO IT'LL BE, RIGHT NOW THIS HERE I'M TRACE IN RED IS SPACE 19. SO 19 IS JUST A SMALL AREA IN THE FRONT, AND SO 20 IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. SO IF 20 GETS DIVIDED IN HALF, THEN THIS PART OF 20 CAN BE COMBINED WITH 19, AND THIS WHOLE AREA RIGHT HERE WOULD BE, UH, A RETAIL. SO YOU'RE ALMOST LIKE, AND DOES IT HAVE TWO POINTS OF EGRESS THEN? UM, SOME OF, I, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I KNOW IN THIS SECTION THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REAR ACCESS. UM, BUT WHEN, WHEN A TENANT CAN COME IN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SORT OF DESIGN THE SPACE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. SO THEY WOULD JUST PROBABLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE IN THE CAMPUS. SO YOU JUST WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF THAT IN ANY REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE WITH RESPECT TO APPROPRIATE AND SAFE ACCESS AND, AND SEPARATION. THANK YOU. LOOK, PERSONALLY, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING THERE. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO NITPICK THIS TO DEATH AND REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, MONTHS OF DRONE FOOTAGE BEFORE WE GRANT A REQUEST. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IS FROM JOHN CANNING, IF YOU THINK THERE IS ACTUALLY ANY TRAFFIC IMPLICATION, AND IT'S NOT MY DECISION, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT IF YOU THINK THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THIS, THAT THAT MIGHT CAUSE A PROBLEM, OR IF YOU THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF PARKING [01:10:01] EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE FLOW, ESPECIALLY AROUND THAT TOP BUILDING. AND, UH, SO IF YOU COULD TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN, WE'LL HAVE MR. CANNING SPEAK TO WHAT HE REVIEWED AND THEN, UH, WHAT HIS REMARKS WERE ON THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. AARON, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, WE CAN SEE YOU ALSO. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. SO, UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE'S NO NET CHANGE IN THE BUILT RESTAURANT SPACE PROPOSED. UM, THERE IS, UH, A FAIR NUMBER OF, UH, RETAIL SPACE THAT'S VACANT AND SOME NUMBER OF RESTAURANT SPACE THAT'S VACANT. THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC STUDY ACCOUNTED FOR ALL OF THAT AND REOCCUPIED IT AT ITE RATES. UM, WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS MOVING SOME OF THE RESTAURANT SPACES AROUND, AS MICHAEL HAS PROPOSED, HISTORICALLY, THERE HAS BEEN MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING AT THAT SITE, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE MOST CONVENIENT. OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING IN THE BACK IS LESS DESIRABLE. UM, THEY DID DO THEIR SURVEYS, UH, ON THE FIRST WEEKEND AFTER THANKSGIVING, WHICH TRADITIONALLY KICKS OFF THE, UH, THE SHOPPING SEASON FOR CHRISTMAS. SO IN MY OPINION, THEY DID IT AT A GOOD TIME. UH, YOU COULD GO BACK IN THE SUMMER, YOU'LL PROBABLY GET THE SAME NUMBERS. UM, PROBABLY NOT ANYMORE. UM, WE DID CHECK THE WEATHER, UM, YOU CAN DO THAT NOW, WHICH IS PRETTY AMAZING. AND WE FOUND THAT THE TEMPERATURE WAS IN THE FORTIES, UH, AND IT WAS DRY. SO, UM, THAT'S ALSO A POSITIVE THING FOR WHEN THEY DID THEIR SURVEYS. WE LOOKED AT THEIR CALCULATIONS AS TO HOW, UH, JMC PROJECTED HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE RE OCCUPANCY OF THE VARIOUS USES RESTAURANT AND RETAIL AT THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS, AND HOW THEY ASSIGN THEM TO THE VARIOUS PARKING AREAS THEY SURVEYED THE PARKING IN CHUNKS, KNOW BLOCKS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS BASICALLY. AND WE DETERMINED THAT ACCOUNTING FOR RE OCCUPANCY OF ALL OF THE VACANT SPACE AS PROPOSED, THERE WILL STILL BE ADEQUATE PARKING WITHIN A REASONABLE WALKING DISTANCE OF THE RESTAURANTS. UM, I I DO RESPECT, UM, VERY MUCH THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENT THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW RESTAURANT OPEN, UM, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, LET ME GIVE IT A TRY. AND SO IT CAN BE BUSIER FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, PEOPLE HAVE TRIED IT. SOME OF 'EM WILL LIKE IT AND GO BACK, AND SOME OF THEM WILL DECIDE IT'S NOT THEIR TASTE. AND MY ONLY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT, AND, AND IT MAY NOT BE APPLIC AND IT MAY NOT BE APPRO, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, GERMANE, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE BOTH RESTAURANTS OPEN THE SAME WEEK. SO, UM, BUT THOSE ARE MY, UH, FINDINGS BASICALLY ON THE REVIEW OF THE MATERIALS THEY HAVE PER PERFORMED FOR THE REA OCCUPANCY AND REASSIGNMENT OF THIS EXISTING SPACE. SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING A CONCERN FROM YOUR STANDPOINT AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, THE TRAFFIC AND I'M SORRY, THE, THE PARKING AND THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THESE CHANGES? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A, PARKING IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE AND I STILL DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. UM, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN, UH, IT'S BUSIER AND THE SURVEY TIME THEY DID WAS ONE OF THE BUSIER TIMES WHEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE, BUT YOU'LL GET PARKING WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OR 150 FEET OF THE STORE, WHICH IS REASONABLE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. UM, WHETHER THE RESTAURANT SPACE IS IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION OR IN THIS LOCATION, THE TRAFFIC ADDED TO THE CITY, THE TOWN STREETS WILL BE THE SAME AND IT'LL JUST COME INTO THE PARKING LOT AND PARK SOMEWHERE DIFFERENTLY. AND JOHN, YOU WERE FAVORABLE TO THE TENANT SPACE 39 B HAVING THE FRONT ENTRY ON THE EAST SIDE? ABSOLUTELY, YES. THANK YOU, AARON. UH, SO HOW MUCH REDUCTION? SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT MUCH REDUCTION IN PARKING SPACES, SO IT'S ACTUALLY NO ADDITIONAL REDUCTION BEYOND WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. IT'S MERELY A RELOCATION OF THE TENANT SPACES IDENTIFIED IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PRIOR REDUCTION. SO WHY THEY ARE HERE, BECAUSE THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY APPROVED CERTAIN TENANT SPACES IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PRIOR, UH, PARKING REDUCTION OF 18 SPACES. SO, AND THE BOARD HAS CONSISTENTLY, AS I MENTIONED IN MY OPENING REMARKS, WANTED TO SEE THIS PARTICULARLY THIS, UH, SITE COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IF RESTAURANT SPACE WERE TO BE RELOCATED WITHIN THE CENTER BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT AREAS [01:15:01] THAT ARE MORE CONGESTED THAN OTHERS. OH, SO JUST A REVIEW OF WHAT WAS APPROVED? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD. OKAY. AND FOR ITS CONSULTANT TO REVIEW FOR ANY POTENTIAL OFF STREET PARKING RELATED CONCERNS. SO THERE IS, THERE IS REALLY NO NEED FOR THEM TO GO BACK AND DO THIS DRAWN. NO, I, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR IT. I, ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STOREFRONTS FILLED WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS AND DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS. I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE BUSINESSES THRIVING HERE. THAT'S NOT, UM, AND WE HAVE PROVED THE AMOUNT ALREADY. SO IT'S A QUESTION OF IS THE MOVING OF LOCATIONS CAUSING SOME MATERIAL, UH, UH, PROBLEM AND DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE, TO ME AT LEAST, YEAH, AROUND, I THINK IT'S PRETTY EMPTY PARKING, IT'S ALL, THE SHOPPING CENTER IS UNDER UNDERUTILIZED, AS I UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOTHING LIKE A MIDWAY OR, UH, UH, THE COST. THE OTHER, OTHER, UH MM-HMM. SHOPPING CENTERS. SO, UH, SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THEM APPROVAL? WELL, I, WE GONNA GO TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. YEAH, SURE. OKAY. I, WELL, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH? ARE WE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT OR NOT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO THE BOARD COULD BE IN POSITION, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AMENDMENT REQUEST, SO THE BOARD COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH REQUEST TO THE AMENDMENT. UM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HEAR FROM NO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE AS WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE. THAT'S ALL. SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATE THE DESIRE TO SEE THE STORES FILLED FROM A PERSON ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DRONES WERE ADEQUATE. SO ASKING THAT QUESTION DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DON'T DESIRE TO SEE THE SHOPPING MALL THAT I GO TO ALL THE TIME BE FULLY OCCUPIED. SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. YEAH. SECONDLY, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT I'M, IT WAS MORE ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC GOING AROUND THAT CORNER. THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT A ONE WAY, UM, ON THAT STRIP THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. BUT WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW CHICKEN PLACE AS WELL AS THE RESTAURANT, LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK IN TERMS OF WHAT THE HOURS AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC WILL BE FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THE NEW RESTAURANT IS GONNA BE SIT DOWN OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE IN AND OUT, WHICH MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS QUESTIONING THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE DRONES FROM LAST DECEMBER. AND TO THE POINT OF IT BEING, YOU KNOW, A HEAVY SHOPPING TIME. I GUESS TO ME, IF IT WERE, UM, THE, THE SHOPPING MALLS ELSEWHERE WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF STORES WHERE PEOPLE DO A LOT OF CHRISTMAS SHOPPING, I CAN AGREE WITH YOU, THIS SHOPPING MALL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NECESSARILY THE CHRISTMAS GO-TO SHOPPING MALL. AND SO THAT'S WHY I HAD THE, THOSE QUESTIONS. YEAH. MICHAEL OR DYLAN. YEAH. HOW DO YOU FEEL? I THINK, UH, ABOUT APPROVING IT? I THINK WE, UH, CONSIDERING THE CONCERN WAS TO REALLY BRING BACK AND SHOW US AND, UH, WE GOT THE CONSULTANTS AGREED TO THAT, THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. UH, I DON'T THINK ANY REASON FOR HOLD BACK THE APPROVAL OF, UH, THEIR, UH, CONFIRMING OR REVISED APPLICATION. OKAY. THAT'S MY, WELL, MY TAKE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT LESLIE'S CONCERN IS, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH, NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND LESLIE'S CONCERN AS WELL, AND I HAVE, UM, A, A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEFERENCE TO SOMEONE WHO, WHO LIVES RIGHT NEAR THE SHOPPING CENTER AND, AND UTILIZES THE SHOPPING CENTER ON, ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS. UM, IS, IS THERE A REASON, I GUESS ARE WE UNDER A TIMELINE, IS THERE A CONCERN THAT, THAT IF WE WERE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE ADDITIONAL DRONES OR JUST TAKE MORE TIME TO CONSIDER THAT THESE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS WOULD, WOULD DISAPPEAR OR I MEAN FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, I WOULD ASSUME? WELL, I WOULD APPLICANTS, WELL, I WOULD LIKE HIM TO ANSWER. OKAY, FINE. YES. UH, YES, THAT HAS HAPPENED. WELL, AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE'S, UH, THEY HAVE A, A DEADLINE AND IF THIS CHANGES NOT APPROVED BEFORE THE DEADLINE, THEN THEY WOULD NOT SIGN THE LEASE. AND I GUESS IS THE DEADLINE WITHIN TWO WEEKS OR UNDER TWO WEEKS? NO, NO, IT'S NOT UNDER TWO WEEKS. BUT IF THERE IS A, THERE IS A DEADLINE, BUT THEY CAN'T WAIT TILL NEXT SUMMER FOR CURRENT. SURE. NO, UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THAT PART I UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. WE COULD ALSO DO LIKE WE'VE DONE IN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE, UM, YOU GET TRAFFIC DATA, UM, [01:20:01] AFTER AN APPROVAL AND IF THERE'S SOME REASON FOR CONCERN TO REEVALUATE IT, YOU CAN HAVE THEM COME BACK, IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF THERE'S A TIME ISSUE. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S FAIR. I THINK AS MR. CANNING INDICATED, DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN, WELL, AS WE DISCUSSED, DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN IS SOON TO OPEN. IT APPEARS, BUT IT HASN'T OPENED YET. MR. CANNING SAID WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT THEM TO DO THE DRONE SHOTS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER IT OPENS. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A QUICK TWO WEEK TURNAROUND. SURE. YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE TWO MONTH TURNAROUND. SURE. UNDERSTOOD. AND THE HOLIDAYS COME UP, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE OF THAT. SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A TIMEFRAME WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT AND THE POTENTIAL TENANTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT INFORMATION A BIT. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE THAT IF IT DID BECOME AN ISSUE, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING, AS AMANDA WAS SAYING, THAT IT COULD BE RECONSIDERED? YEP, YOU CAN IN GENERAL. I MEAN, THERE IS ENOUGH, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE YOU CAN OFFER. YEAH, I CAN CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE. UM, NOTHING'S FAIR ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, UH, ADDITIONAL DRONE FOOTAGE WHEN, UH, NEW TENANTS, RESTAURANT TENANTS ARE PUT IN PLACE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT USE. UM, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS RAISED BY JOHN CANNING OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT REGARDING THAT, UH, HIGHER VOLUME OR POTENTIAL LIKE NAVIGATION, THEY COULD COME BACK AND WE COULD REEVALUATE THE IMPACTS. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. MICHAEL, OR YOU STAND ON THIS? AM I WHAT? WHERE DO YOU STAND ON GRANT, UH, APPROVING THIS AS IS OR WELL LOOK WITH MODIFICATIONS. UM, THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING A PARKING REDUCTION, THEY'RE JUST SHUFFLING AROUND A FEW RESTAURANTS. UM, FROM A LAYMAN'S POINT OF VIEW, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL. JOHN CANNING, WHOSE JUDGMENT I RESPECT, UM, DOESN'T SEE IT AS A PROBLEM. I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF AN ACTION STEP, WHAT WOULD THIS BE? SO, UH, EITHER THERE COULD BE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSIDERATION OF A DECISION THIS EVENING, AND THEN THERE COULD BE SOMETHING WOULD BE DRAFTED THAT WE DECIDE ON IN THE NEXT MEETING. RIGHT. OR ALTERNATIVELY, THE BOARD COULD DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A DECISION, UH, FOR ITS CONSIDERATION AT THE NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS ON A, THAT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE WHERE THE BOARD'S, IT'S SORT OF CONSIDERING IT'S SORT OF THE SAME THING. YEAH, LIKE, I MEAN WE, WE REALLY SHOULD VOTE ON A WRITTEN DECISION. YOU KNOW, AMANDA COULD PUT HER LANGUAGE IN IT. WE'LL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US. THE NEXT MEETING. WE'LL GET THE SAG. RIGHT. THEN DO WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? YOU DO NOT. DO NOT. OKAY. SO THEN I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. SO DO WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE THOUGH TO DO THAT? NO, NO. WE HAVE DIRECTIONS, ONION TO HAVING SOMETHING DRAFTED THAT WE VOTE ON THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK THAT'S GOOD IDEA. WE'LL ANYWAY, WE'LL DIRECT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT WAS ALL. I JUST WANTED TO GET, WE'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND UH, PREPARE SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT MEETING. ALRIGHT, GOOD. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MR. THOMPSON? SO THE BOARD HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE A DECISION FOR ITS CONSIDERATION ON NOVEMBER 20TH. OKAY. THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC HEARING. YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO ATTEND, BUT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. WILL I GET TO SEE THE DRAFTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING IN TWO WEEKS? YEAH, JUST STAY IN TOUCH WITH STAFF. OKAY. AND WE CAN SHARE IT WITH YOU. UH, LIKELY THE 18TH, WHICH IS THE MONDAY OF THAT WEEK, SO TWO DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKAY. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU MR. CANNING. THANK YOU ERIC. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. GOOD NIGHT. UH, THAT WRAPS UP OUR BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT. WE DON'T NEED IT TO VOTE ON, ON CLOSING. RIGHT? NO. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. 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