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UH, WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD.
UM, OUR WORK SESSION TODAY IS NOVEMBER, UH, 26TH.
AND, UM, FIRST ITEM IS, UM, THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL WALL.
AND JOE, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, UH, WELL, CAN DO WE NEED CJ HERE FOR THAT? CJ'S JUST HERE.
JUST GIVE, BUT IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND START WHILE HE, HE'S, WHILE HE'S ON HIS WAY, I'M FINE.
JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHEEN IS ATTENDING VIA ZOOM TONIGHT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN CODE AND STATE LAW SINCE WE HAVE A QUORUM PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT TOWN HALL.
DID, UH, DID EVERYONE GET THE EMAIL THAT I SENT LAST NIGHT? I CAN GIVE YOU A HARD COPY HERE TODAY.
OH, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT ALL ORGANIZED FOR YOU,
I'VE EVEN GOT ONE FOR JOE DANKO, ONE FOR FRANCIS.
DID YOU, UH, IN THAT CASE, YOU CAN HAVE JOE'S, I'M LOOKING ONLINE.
JOE, IS THAT WHAT YOU I DID, YES.
UM, YOU MEAN LIKE OUR LITTLE FRIENDS YESTERDAY? OH MY GOSH, YES.
I KNOW I HAD TO, YOU HANDLED THEM VERY WELL.
I HAD TO GET UP, I HAD TO GET UP AND SAY SOMETHING.
UM, THOSE WOULD BE THE FIRST, UH, LITTLE CHILDREN'S HANDS.
I'VE BEEN SHAKING, SO I'M NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE OR ANYTHING.
I'M TRYING NO, YOU'RE VERY, THERE'S SOME POSITIONS AVAILABLE.
SO WHAT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR WALL.
UH, EVERYONE KNOWS THE NINE 11 WALL RIGHT NOW IS IN DISREPAIR.
UM, AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT IT'S HAPPENED.
UH, IF YOU READ OVER THIS 17 PAGE REPORT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THIS WALL IS, UM, PROBABLY NOT WORTH REPAIRING AGAIN.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE COMING DOWN TO.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE TO CREATE SOME KIND OF A NINE 11 MEMORIAL.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SEVERAL OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TOO, AND THEY ARE, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE AT A SITUATION NOW WHERE WE WOULD BE POURING MONEY INTO POSSIBLY A WALL THAT MIGHT FALL AGAIN, OR THE, AND WE'RE NOT SURE WE CAN SAVE THE, UM, THE TILES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, THE BACKS OF THE TILES ARE COVERED WITH, UM, DIFFERENT KINDS OF, UH, ADHESIVES THAT WOULD CRACK WHEN WE'RE TAKING 'EM APART.
SO I WANTED EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TO SEE, AND IT'S A GOOD SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE WALL AT THIS POINT.
UM, I WAS TALKING TO CJ EARLIER TODAY AND, UM, I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO HAND OUT, WHICH IS A PICTURE FROM ABOVE OF THE WALL.
YOU SENT THIS, YOU SENT THIS TO FRANCIS? NO, I DID NOT.
I JUST CAME UP WITH THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
I'M GONNA HOLD THIS ONE FOR YOU.
AND I'LL PUT THAT IN A PACKET.
AND, UH, YOU CAN VIEW, YOU CAN VIEW THIS FRANCIS BY JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH.
IT LOOKS DOWN, STRAIGHT DOWN ON TOP OF THE WALL, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO SMALL SIDEWALKS THAT APPROACH THE WALL, THE SIDE, THE WALL ITSELF IS SURROUNDED BY A, UM, A SIDEWALK.
AND I SPOKE TO BOBBY BRE TODAY AND ALSO SPOKE TO DPW ABOUT THIS.
AND WE COULD IN-HOUSE, REMOVE THE WALL AND REMOVE MANY OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE AROUND THAT AREA IN-HOUSE.
AND THEN THE SIDEWALK THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PICTURE IS THE ONE NEAREST TO THE, UM, FIRE, UH, TO THE, UH, FLAGPOLE.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD PUT SOMETHING SMALLER, SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH THAT AREA.
UM, LEAVE THAT SIDEWALK THERE.
UM, I'VE INCLUDED SOME PHOTOS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MEMORIALS FROM AROUND THE UNITED STATES, SOME EVEN FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THAT THEY PUT UP OVER NINE 11 THAT INCLUDED AND INCORPORATED A PIECE OF THE, UM, METAL, WHICH WE HAVE THERE.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS HERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, THE LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH, UH, JOHN MALONE, WHO'S A FORMER FIRE CAPTAIN AT, UH, FAIRVIEW, AND I SPOKE TO RAY ED TODAY, WHO'S THE CHIEF FOR HARTSDALE.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE IN LINE WITH TRYING TO DOWNSIZE THIS MEMORIAL TO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T COST AS MUCH TO REHAB.
THE WALL WOULD BE WELL, WELL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO IN TERMS OF, UM, IF WE DO SOMETHING SMALLER
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THERE MM-HMM.I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN SALVAGE THEM.
EVEN CLEANING THE TILES CRACKS THEM AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY ADHESIVES ON THE BACK OF THEM.
AND JUST LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES AT THE BACK.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD, IS THAT THIS IS A, UH, IT'S A DIRE SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST AT THIS POINT JUST MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ADHESIVES? THEY, THEY, THEY'RE DIFFERENT COMPOSITIONS AND THEY TAKE MOISTURE DIFFERENTLY.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IN AND OF ITSELF AND CAN CAUSE THE CRACKING BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSION AND, AND REDUCTION IN IN THOSE.
I, I DON'T HAVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MAKES, MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT THE WALL.
WE, WE TRIED RESTORING IT 2008.
SO WE, WE BASICALLY MADE AN EFFORT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, THE PROBLEM IS IT'S AN EYESORE NOW.
UM, SO I THINK, AND I THINK BEFORE THE COMING NINE 11, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NINE 11, UH, MEMORIAL, UM, AT, UH, THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER.
SO WE COULD BASICALLY THE JAR BURN CENTER, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, THAT, UM, SO, UM, SO WE COULD BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN PUT THE METAL, UH, THE WORLD TRADE ARTIFACT, YOU KNOW, THERE, UH, WE, THAT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AND I, WHEN I SPOKE TO SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CHIEFS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, JOHN MALONE AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON OUR ADVISORY BOARD, THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S AS, AS A PLACE TO PUT A MEMORIAL BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING THAT NOW FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT WE'RE, I'M, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME OPTIONS HERE SO THAT THE BOARD CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M NOT AN ARTIST.
I JUST WANTED TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT MAYBE YOU COULD LOOK AT AND TAKE AND WHETHER OR NOT WE BRING IN, UM, ARTISTS.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT, HOW THAT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST.
NUMBER ONE, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A REMNANT ALSO IN CROTON.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, OF COURSE IT'S NEAR THE WATER THAT, BUT IT IS IMPRESSIVE AND SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK UP.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, IT, IT, THE IMPORTANCE I THINK TO SURVIVORS FAMILIES OF SURVIVORS, UM, IS HAVING A PLACE TO GO AND SEE THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR HAVING IT OFF MAIN ROAD, UM, EASILY VISIBLE AND VISIT A BULL.
BUT IF IT'S, AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CREATED, BUT THAT'S MORE THE, OUR IMMEDIATE, UM, TOWN AND, AND WEATHER, NOT EVEN TOWN WIDE, BUT VETERANS AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO PROMOTING THAT AS A SITE AND GIVING IT THE AURA OF, UM, OF A RESPECTFUL, RESPECTED MEMORIAL THAT PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY CAN CONTEMPLATE JUST, AND, AND SO IT'S ALSO CREATING THE, YOU KNOW, SEATING, WHETHER IT'S BENCHES MM-HMM.
SO JUST THINKING THE IN MORE IN THE MACRO AND HOW THAT IS, I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DO, NOT JUST POSITIONING A PIECE OF SCULPTURE, BUT CREATING A WHOLE SITE STORY.
I MEAN, NO MATTER, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE, UM, PICTURES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IF YOU HAD PULLED BACK AND SEEN, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE BENCHES OR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE AFFECTED BY THIS, WANT TO SIT THERE AND THEY CAN CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW? UH, AND, AND WE'VE HAD, I THINK WE HAD FIVE OR SIX, UH, PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT ACTUALLY LOST THEIR LIVES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ON A PLAQUE AT THE GERARD BURN CENTER, UM, THAT ARE ON SOME STONES THERE THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, UH, NINE 11.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS RELOCATE THOSE THINGS.
BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOUGH, I, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A TOUGH CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS MEMORIAL UP THERE NOW FOR 20 PLUS YEARS
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AT THIS POINT.BUT I, I THINK IT'S, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT, UM, AND I EVEN SPOKE WITH CJ AND HE LOOKED OVER THIS TOO.
I THINK IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON FROM THIS PARTICULAR MEMORIAL TO SOMETHING MAYBE A LITTLE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PUT, AND WHERE WE PUT IT, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU, I MEAN, TWO OPTIONS RIGHT OFF THE BAT ARE EITHER RIGHT THERE BY THE FLAGPOLE AT, UM, PRESSER PARK, OR PERHAPS OVER AT, UH, AT THE GERARD BURNS CENTER.
OTHER THING THAT I FEEL WE COULD DO WHAT THE COUNTY'S DONE, AND, UM, UM, YEAH.
UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO, UH, LOST THEIR LIVES YEARS LATER, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD, UH, PEOPLE, FIRE TIME, FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY FIRST RESPONDERS, AND SO WE COULD EX EXPAND ON THAT.
AND IF YOU USE THE JERRY BY CENTER MM-HMM.
SO WE COULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THERE COULD BE, THERE COULD BE A WALL WITH, UM, DISPLAYING, DISPLAYING THE MURALS.
AND THEN IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, MAYBE IF AN ARTIST COULD EVEN USE SOME OF THE EXISTING MURALS FOR AN ART EXHIBIT ON, ON THE WALL THERE.
AND I'D SAY PROBABLY TO ME, PROBABLY THE BEST LOCATION WOULD BE, UM, REALLY THE JERRY BYRNE CENTER UNIT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN DETERMINE THAT.
LET'S, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE LISTENING OR WHO WILL LISTEN TO THIS ONCE IT'S ON, UH, ON VIDEO, THIS REPORT IS VERY THOROUGH.
UM, UM, I REALLY COMMEND THE PERSON WHO DID THE INSPECTIONS AND THE RESEARCH AND REALLY WENT INTO DETAIL, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE, THE WALL'S HISTORY AND COMPOSITION, BUT, BUT THE WHYS AND WHERE FORCE THAT, THAT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY RECOMMENDED TO REUSE THE TILES.
AND, UM, SHE TOOK, SHE RIGHT, SHE, SHE TOOK, UM, A NUMBER OF PHOTOS.
WE CAN POST IT ON OUR SITE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DETERIORATION.
SHE LOOKED VERY CAREFULLY AT EVERYTHING, AND I REALLY COMMEND HER FOR THE WORK THAT SHE DID.
WE, UH, WENT HAND IN HAND TOGETHER TO ALL THE LOCATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SHE INTERVIEWED US ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY.
WE WENT THROUGH, UH, QUITE A PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT A, A THOROUGH SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS FROM MOVING FORWARD.
HAL WANTED TO ASK, WHY CAN'T THE TILES BE MOUNTED ON AN INTERMEDIARY BACKING AND THEN, UH, THE BACKING BE, UH, SCREWED INTO THE WALL AND THE WHOLE THING COVERED BY GLASS OR LUCITE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, WELL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING FRAMES AT ONE POINT WE DID TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE ALSO FOUND OUT THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE WALL ITSELF IS.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEERING REPORT JUST TO FIND OUT IF THE WALL, WHAT'S INSIDE OF IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE RECORDS OF THE WALL BUILDING.
AND, AND IF I MAY RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THAT QUESTION, IN ORDER TO MOUNT IT, YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THE SURFACE OF THE, THE BACK SURFACE OF THE TILE SO THAT THEY CAN BE REMOUNTED.
BUT AS, AS THE COMMISSIONERS, NOT NECESSARILY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THEM, HOW FRAME EACH SINGLE ONE DOESN'T, HE HASN'T SEEN THE TILES.
AND I THINK WHEN WE POST THIS ONLINE, HE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE BACKING, IT'S NOT MATTER.
THE, THE PICTURES THAT ARE, UM, IN THE, IN THE, ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF MOST OF THE TILES THAT HAVE MULTIPLE SURFACES AND MULTIPLE, UM, ADHESIVES AND CEMENTS AND EPOXIES ON THE BACK OF THEM, THAT IN THE REMOVAL PROCESS WOULD PROBABLY BREAK THE TILES THEMSELVES.
WELL, I THINK WHAT HAL IS SORT OF SAYING IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, LIKE, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE LAYERS YEAH.
SO IT WOULD BE LIKE, SOME ARE MORE.
WELL, BUT YOU SEE, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE BACKING ON THE INDIVIDUAL TOP TILES, NUMBER ONE, UM, THAT IT'S UNEVEN.
SO IT'S NOT JUST IN BAR RELIEF, BUT IT'S HOW IT, HOW IT, UM, YOU COULD REALLY SECURE THEM.
AND IT'S ALSO, UM, THERE HAS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF, OF HANDLING.
SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW AS BE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PLACE PLANS IT STARTED AND THEY COULD JUST FALL APART.
SO I THINK, I THINK MONEY, MONEY NEEDS TO, CAN WE
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PLEASE STOP HAVING OUTBURST FROM THE GROUND, PLEASE? WE, TO, WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOW EXPENSIVE THIS IS GONNA BE.I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT HERE.
UM, TO REFURBISH THE WALL ITSELF WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE.
IT'S A BIG PIECE OF, UH, CEMENT.
IT'S THE COPING, IT'S LEAKING, IT'S COPING, IT'S LEAKING INSIDE.
UM, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE WALL ITSELF IS REALLY WORTH SAVING.
SO WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THE TILES? YOU KNOW? SO, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE MIGHT WANNA THINK ABOUT MOVING ON TO SOMETHING SMALLER OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SMALLER AND MAYBE UTILIZE THE TILES THAT ARE STURDY ENOUGH TO CREATE SOME OTHER OBJECT OF ART THAT IS USED IN, IN EITHER THERE OR IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.
YOU KNOW, ONE AT THE JERRY BURN CENTER, I, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO ANY OF THIS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? MM-HMM.
SO WHY DON'T WE, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S BEFORE US.
ARE WE ACCEPTING A REPORT? AND THE REPORT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, BUT COULD BE SUMMARIZED VERY SIMPLY AS THE WALL IS HOPELESS.
RIGHT? WELL, THIS IS WHERE CJ COMES IN, AND IT'S A MATTER OF THE ENGINEERING AND THE ENGINEERING INSPECTION TO FRANCIS.
ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S IN THE WALL.
THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UH, BUT THEY DO KNOW THAT THE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THE MOISTURE AND MOISTURE AND CONCRETE, UH, DON'T QUOTE NO.
AND, UM, I DO LIKE HIM WHEN WAS HANDED OUT AND THANK YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE A PIECE OF METAL.
ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE IS TO HAVE THE PIECE OF METAL THAT WE HAVE, UH, PROFESSOR PARK BEING PLACED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.
AND APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT HAPPENED, UH, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I, I ASSUME IT'S LEGIT.
WE'VE BEEN, WE COULD HAD IT MOUNTED TO IT QUITE A LONG TIME.
AND IF IT IS, UH, IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH.
WELL, THERE'S A, ONE OF THE PICTURES AT VERY END WHERE IT SAYS WORLD TRADE CENTER AND HAS A PIECE OF METAL BOX.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY, UH, DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HONOR AND RESPECT WHAT THAT METAL REPRESENTS.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION, FRANCIS? WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BEING ON THE REGISTRY, IS IT THE, THE SCULPTURE AT THE SITE ITSELF, OR IS IT THE SCULPTURE ALONE? SCULPTURE, THE PIECE OF METAL ITSELF THAT WE RESCUE, THE METAL, THE ARTIFACTS FROM NINE 11, APPARENTLY FOR THE REPORT, THERE'S A REGISTRY THAT BEEN CREATED FOR THOSE.
AND SHE NOTES IN HER REPORT THAT THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
NOT THE ROTARY CLUB, UH, YOU KNOW, PAID FOR THE WALL.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I SORT OF, THE BACK OF THE WALL HAD, YOU KNOW, DESCRIPTIONS OF ROTARY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.
AND I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF, UM, WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO, UH, THE ROTARY ROTARY GROUP AS WELL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH, UM, THE ROTARY, YOU KNOW, CLUBS.
UM, UH, THE DISTRICT GOVERNOR IS ACTIVE IN EL IN ELMSFORD.
UM, AND I SORT OF THINK THAT IF WE HAVE LIKE A MEETING WITH NAVY, THE HANDFUL OF FIREFIGHTERS, YOU KNOW, WHO WERE INVOLVED, THE ROTARY, UH, GROUPS, YOU, THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AND THEN MOVE ON THERE.
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF HANDLING THAT TOO, IN TERMS OF THE ROTARY CLUB, IF THEY WANT TO.
FOR INSTANCE, IN HASTINGS, THERE'S A SITE, A REVOLUTIONARY WAR SITE, AND THEY CREATED A PARK, A SMALL LITTLE PARKETTE, AND THEY CREATED STANCHIONS WITH STORYBOARDS, BASICALLY.
BUT IT COULD AS EASILY BE SOME SORT OF DEPICTION AS THERE, THERE AS WAS ON THE WALL.
SO THERE ARE ANY THAT'S SUCH A GREAT IDEA.
THERE, THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF WAYS TO REIMAGINE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LINKED, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU COULD HAVE A STORY LOOK, UM, AND THEN IT COULD SORT OF HIGHLIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, PLUS WE ALSO, WE COULD HIGHLIGHT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S IMPRESSIONS.
WE COULD HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE MURAL, YOU KNOW, THE TAKE PHOTOS AND PEOPLE COULD WALK AROUND, YOU KNOW, A STORY WALK.
THE NATURE CENTER HAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE COULD BE LIKE A LITTLE WALKING AREA, AND THEN YOU COULD MAP, WELL, THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS.
THAT'S, BUT I THINK AS YOU SUGGESTED, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A MEETING, AND THAT'S THE
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TIME TO START AND BRING IN LIKE AN ART CONSULTANT.YOU WANT ME TO, I COULD CONTACT THE ROTARY PEOPLE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON NINE 11, NOT THE ROTARY.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO CONTRIBUTE.
I COULD, JOE, THE REPORT ALSO ADDRESSES HOW POOR CONDITION, THE POOR CONDITION OF THE ROTARY SIDE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE TILES GOING OFF.
THEY'RE PAINTING, APPARENTLY THEY DIDN'T USE PAINT THAT'S DESIGNED FOR OUTDOORS.
AND IT'S SHOWING THE EFFECTS OF THAT.
SO IT'S, IT, THE THE WHOLE THING IS, IS A MESS.
WELL, YES, WE'LL TURN IT INTO A, A POSITIVE.
AND I JUST WONDER, BUT I HAVE A, UH, WAIT, HOLD ON.
IN THE SPIRIT, IF, IF WE DO MEET WITH THE ROTARY, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M GETTING THE SENSE FROM THE BOARD WITHOUT ANY KIND OF A VOTE OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH MOVING PAST THE WALL, IF POSSIBLE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
I'M, WE'RE OKAY WITH LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO THE WALL.
NO, NO, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THAT PAUL'S PLAY THE WALL SONG.
DID YOU SEE ANYBODY SAY TOWN? YEAH, I AGREE.
THAT'S, I GUESS, IS THAT MUSIC.
THAT WAS PAUL'S HAVE, PAUL'S THE DJ TONIGHT FOR SONG THAT WAS FROM HAYDENS TOWN.
WHY WE BUILD A WALL? WELL, JUST AS LONG AS DOESN'T GET UP AND DANCE LEADER ON THE TABLE.
NO, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
I THINK JOE WOULD, YOU KNOW, GET THE MEETING TOGETHER HERE.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE MORE LASTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE THING THAT, I'D BE VERY HONEST, I LOVE WHAT'S AT THE SCOLA DAM THAT THE COUNTY DID.
I THINK THAT IS JUST SO BEAUTIFUL.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR.
I KNOW IT'S COSTLY, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT IS REALLY A GREAT TRIP.
I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WELL, IT IS THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS THE BIG RIGHT.
BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, I INCLUDE, BUT YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE THAT WORK.
SOME OF THE SMALL THINGS THAT YOU SAW IN THE, UH, PAPERS I GAVE YOU WERE DOBBS FERRY, UH, HAS A PLAQUE.
UM, IRVINGTON HAS TWO GRANITE PILLARS AT THE END.
THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE IN GREAT LOCATIONS ON THE RIVER.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME NICE PLACES AND THAT IF WE DO CHOOSE TO GO BACK TO PRESSER PARK AND WE FIND SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY TASTEFUL MM-HMM.
I LIKE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF IT, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YOU JUST DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE VERY MUCH PART OF THE TOWN AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE BURN CENTER, WHICH IS UP AND TUCKED AWAY.
WHICH IS WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE MEMO WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE WORLD, UH, THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ORGANIZATION THAT WAS GIVING OUT THE ARTIFACTS.
I THINK WE DID SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA USE IT AT THIS LOCATION.
I, I, I THINK THE, THE ARTIFACT THAT WE HAVE, AND I'LL LOOK INTO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FRANCIS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT ON THE REGISTRY, UM, BECAUSE I'M, I HAVE TO, I MAY HAVE TO GO TO SARAH BRACY WHITE AND ASK HER, BECAUSE I THINK SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US TO GET THAT STUFF AT THE BEGINNING.
I THINK THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS FINE.
SO WHY DON'T I, I'LL REACH OUT TO THE ROTARY CLUB BECAUSE THEY INDICATED THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, A GOOD CHUNK.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAKE THIS LIKE A CAUSE.
AND I'LL SAY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BASICALLY, UH, CONTINUE, UH, TO HONOR THE ROTARY CLUB FOR, UM, MEMORIALIZING THE VICTIMS OF, UH, OF NINE 11.
AND WE JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A ISO AND WE WANT TO MOVE AHEAD AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING, AND THEN I COULD LET ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE'RE MEETING, AND THEN THAT'S FINE.
I THINK CHIP NCO, WE SHOULD REALLY REACH OUT TO AND JOHN MALONE.
UM, AND I'LL DO THAT ALSO, ALSO REALLY QUICKLY.
SO WE THINK ABOUT RELOCATING THAT, UM, THE WALL OR WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT A PLAQUE FOR THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE FIRST ORIGINAL WALL.
ALL THE ROTARY CLUBS THAT PARTICIPATED HAVE A PLAQUE DEDICATED TO THEM.
BECAUSE THEY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE ORIGINAL.
WELL, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S IN THIS REPORT, BUT THERE ARE PLAQUES UP THERE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE GETTING RID OF THOSE.
OH, SO YOU CAN REPURPOSE THOSE, THOSE, WE COULD, WE COULD REPURPOSE THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY BECOME PART OF WHATEVER WE DO IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER POSSIBLE LOCATION COULD BE, UM, THE TOWN HALL, LIKE OUTSIDE OVER HERE BECAUSE NO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT AS PUBLIC THE SPOT.
YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE COMING THERE.
AND I JUST, LAST THING I JUST WANNA MENTION IS THAT, UM, I, THIS, THIS HAS PROBABLY COME OUT WRONG.
I WAS NEVER A FAN OF THE WALL BECAUSE I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GREEN SPACE OPEN UP ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU SEE THAT ON, ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
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THE WALL SMALLER OR MAKE SOMETHING SMALLER, YOU WILL THEN BE ABLE TO VIEW THAT AGAIN.AND SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DOUBLE WIN IF WE GET IT RIGHT.
UM, I THINK WE AS BOARD MEMBERS ALL UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT THE WALL IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T USE.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO LET CJ OFF THE HOOK IF, UM, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO HEAR WHAT HIS IMPRESSIONS OF THE WALL ARE.
WELL, CJ GONNA SAY IT'S NOT GOOD THOUGH,
JUST BRING YOUR MIC IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK.
IF WE TRY TO, TO, TO REPAIR THE WALL AND, AND REPAIR AND REUSE THE TILES, EVENTUALLY IN A FEW YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME POSITION, HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATIONS AGAIN.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD BEGIN THAT PROCESS OF DEMO, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE TILES? I THINK WE HAVE, TILES HAVE BEEN MOVED ALREADY, RIGHT? JUST TILE.
THE TILES BEEN REMOVED, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT IN THE BACK OF THE REPORT, THEY'RE ALL IN, UH, BOXES.
BOXES AND THEIR CRATES, AND THEY'RE JUST BEING STORED AWAY, WHICH IS THE SAME THING WE DID IN 2008 WHEN THEY FELL OFF TOO.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TILES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENS TO A NEW REPURPOSED MEMORIAL.
NO, BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU START DEMOLISHING THE WALL NOW? IS THAT LIKE SOMETHING WE'RE GO, WE COULD RIGHT AWAY BUTHUH, UM, WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THE ROTARY CLIENT, RATHER.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE PLAN AND EVERYBODY, THE FIREFIGHTERS, AND GET BUY IN FROM A LARGER GROUP.
SO THIS WAY NOBODY WILL SAY, WHAT DID YOU DO? WHY DID YOU DO IT? OF COURSE, ALL THIS, I I, I AGREE WITH WHAT PAUL JUST SAID.
UH, WE GET THE BUY-IN, AND THEN WE TAKE THE WALL DOWN AND WE, YOU KNOW, REPLACE IT WITH, YOU KNOW, GRASS THERE IN THAT SPOT.
AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO USE THE END OF IT.
BECAUSE THERE, AS YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UM, AS YOU LOOK DOWN ON THE WALL, YOU'LL SEE TWO LITTLE STUBBY, UM, SIDEWALKS THAT COME OFF THE MAIN SIDEWALK.
WELL, THE ONE ON THE FAR END WE WOULD PROBABLY NOT KEEP, BUT THE ONE THAT'S OVER CLOSER TO THE, TO THE, UH, FLAG POLE.
AND SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A WAY TO GET FROM THE SIDEWALK THEN TO THE, SO I, I THINK IT, IT, IT'S REALLY DEVELOPING A, THE LARGER PLAN AND THEN MOVING AHEAD RIGHT.
WITH THE DIFFERENT STEPS, REMOVING THE WALL.
AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, WE, WE'VE PAINTED THE WALL GRAY TO TRY AND NOT DRAW AS MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.
UM, BUT I TALKED TO, UH, BOBBY BRE TODAY, AND HE SAID, THE DAY YOU WANT TO TAKE THE WALL DOWN, HE GOES, WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM.
HE GOES, WELL, WE COULD TAKE IT DOWN PRETTY FAST.
ANOTHER POSSIBLE LOCATION COULD BE THE LIBRARY, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S, IT, IT'S VERY VISIBLE.
THEY ALREADY, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE, UH, THE WORLD WHERE THE WOMAN'S VETERANS MEMORIAL, THEY DID THAT ABOUT TWO YEARS, THE GARDEN, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL.
SO THE THING IS, UM, SO MANY PEOPLE USE THAT, AND THE PEOPLE WHO, UM, GO TO THE LIBRARY MAY WANT AN AREA THAT THEY COULD REFLECT AND THINK ABOUT NINE 11, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THE VETERAN PART, THE WEB FIELD, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO GO THERE TO PLAY SOCCER OR PLAY CO CRICKET.
YOU KNOW, THEN, OR GO TO THE PLAYGROUND.
SO I FEEL THE LIBRARY, OR TO ME VETERAN PARK, UH, OR, OR HERE MIGHT BE EVEN MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE.
BUT THAT COULD BE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO JUST DECIDE.
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE YEARS WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE THAT I DRIVE BY AND I'D SEE THIS AND I SAID, THAT'S INTERESTING.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
AND WHAT, BECAUSE I WAS DRIVING BY.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY WALK ALONG THE SIDEWALK HERE.
SO IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND REMEMBER, THE LIBRARY ALSO HAS A HISTORY ARCHIVES.
UM, SO THE THING IS, WE COULD, THEY HAVE AN ARCHIVE ROOM, SO WE COULD EVEN GIVE THE BOXES, YOU KNOW, TO THEM.
AND IF PEOPLE WANNA LOOK AT THE, UH, THE MURALS, UH, THAT WERE PAINTED THERE, IT COULD BE A PLACE WHERE IT COULD BE STORED.
AND THEN THEY COULD EVEN HAVE A, LIKE A, A WALL WHERE THEY BASICALLY ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE HISTORY OF THE, THE WALL AND SAY, BY THE WAY, IF YOU WANNA SEE THE ORIGINALS, YOU COULD MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND SEE THE, SO THAT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF PROVIDING DIGNITY.
I THINK PAUL, YOU SHOULD BE PART OF THAT COMMITTEE.
PART OF THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE HISTORY, WHEN WE FIRST PUT IN THE WALL IN 2003, THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND SO IT WAS JUST A WALL THERE AND IT WAS NICE.
BUT THAT SIDEWALK THAT YOU SEE, WE GOT A GRANT, AND THE BOARD BACKED US AT THE TIME.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FELT AT THE TIME, AND THIS IS FUNNY BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT SIDEWALKS, WE THOUGHT, WOW, WE'RE GETTING A SIDEWALK ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND ANYBODY THAT'S EVER WALKED ON CENTRAL AVENUE KNOWS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE THAT PIECE OF LAND, YOU KNOW, TO HEADING UP AND DOWN NORTH AND SOUTH THERE.
SO THAT SIDEWALK WILL ALWAYS BE THERE, WHERE NO MATTER WHERE WE TAKE, YOU KNOW, THIS MEMORIAL.
SO I'LL WORK ON IT, UH, TONIGHT.
SO YOU MAY GET AN EMAIL,
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I ALWAYS GET AN EMAIL LATE AT NIGHT FROM YOU, PAUL.I CAN BELIEVE CJ, YOU, MR. FAILED TO MENTION THAT 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE FIREMAN'S MEMORIAL IS A PERMANENT MEMORIAL TO THE MALDONADO CHILD IS MAINTAINED.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE PERSON WHO'S TASED BY THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND HOW IS THIS RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC AT HAND? BECAUSE YOU'RE MEMORIAL, YOU'RE TAKING THAT MEMORIAL TO NINE 11 WHILE YOU ARE RETAINING A, THE MEMORIAL POSSIBLY.
AND THEY'RE MOVING THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT EFFORT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE COMMITTEE DOES.
YOU READY? YOU READY? UM, DON'T HAVE THE, I DON'T HAVE A, A MUSICAL NUMBER FOR JUST, I THINK WE'RE GOOD, THANK GOD.
UH, I'M HERE TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
IF YOU RECALL, THE TOWN BOARD HOSTED A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 25TH.
AND, UH, HEARD A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, SPANNING FROM THOSE, UH, SOME THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE LOCAL LAW, SOME THAT WERE, UH, IN FAVOR, BUT SEEKING MODIFICATIONS, SOME THAT WERE, UH, OPPOSED OR ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE APPLICATION, UH, TO THE LOCAL LAW, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE PERUSED THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TRANSCRIPTS FROM THAT MEETING, AND I TOOK A FRESH LOOK AT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UM, I'VE PREPARED SOME UPDATES, UH, IN THE FORM OF THE LOCAL LAW.
AND THAT IS IN A PACKET, WHICH I EMAILED OUT PRIOR, BUT YOU HAVE IT, UM, BEFORE YOU NOW.
UM, I HANDED IT OUT THIS EVENING.
WHAT I DID IS I PLACED THE UPDATES IN RED SO THAT THE, THE UPDATES, UH, POP.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS NOT A PRUDENT DIRECTION TO GO, WE CAN JUST TAKE THAT OUT AND REVERT BACK OR GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
SO, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FEEDBACK ON THAT TONIGHT, AND YOU DWELL ON WHAT IS WE DISCUSS AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS NO, NO PUN INTENDED.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CAN LET ME KNOW.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ACTUALLY GO THROUGH EACH OF THE CHANGES.
UM, THERE'S ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MM-HMM.
SO THE FIRST IS IN THE TITLE PAGE WHERE WE'VE ADDED A NEW SECTION AMENDMENT TO TWO 50, UH, DASH 19 PARKS, OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
I ACTUALLY FAILED TO, UM, PLACE A RECREATION ESCROW INTO THIS LAW.
AND, AND I JUST TOTALLY SLIPPED MY MIND.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER LUCAS, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS HE HAD WHEN WE CIRCULATED THIS LAW TO ALL, UH, UH, DEPARTMENTS.
UM, HE ASKED IF IT WAS MADE SENSE TO HAVE A RECREATION ESCROW.
SO JUST FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE, UM, EVERY NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S BUILT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PAYS A RECREATION ESCROW FEE OF $8,640 PER UNIT.
THE FEE FOR RENTALS ARE HALF THAT 4,320.
SO THE APPROACH WE TOOK HERE IS SIMPLY TO MATCH THE RENTAL FEE OF 44,320.
SO THAT WOULD BE A FEE ONE TIME ONLY PER EVERY NEW, UH, A DU PAID BY THE BUILDER OF THE PAID BY THE, THE OWNER, OWNER OF DEVELOPER OF THAT A DU MM-HMM.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES THE, THE CONCERN THERE.
UM, IF, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A, A QUESTION ON THAT? SURE.
BECAUSE THE GOAL OF THE AUS IS TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND MOST OF PRACTICALLY ALL THE COMMUNITIES IN WESTCHESTER THAT HAVE THE ADUS, THEY REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
SO IF WE, UH, IMPOSE ANOTHER BURDEN, YOU KNOW, 6,000 OR $8,000, UH, ON A FAMILY, IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER THING THAT'S GONNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM, UH, FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS SO WELL, IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING, UH, PROVIDED BY THE OWNER OR IT'S REALLY FOR THE, WHOEVER'S GONNA RENT IT IS THAT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THEM? IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE AFFORDABLE AFFORDABILITY FOR THE PERSON WHO OWNS IT, BUT, BUT I'M SORT OF WONDERING, IT'S DIFFERENT IF, UH, IF MAYBE IF WE, I'M JUST THROWING OUT SOMETHING.
UH, LET'S SAY WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A, UH, YOU KNOW, A DU, UM, AND IT'S A MARKET RENT, THEN THEY SHOULD PAY THE, UH, THE, THE RECREATION FEE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THEY WOULD KEEP IT AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, AND COMPLY WITH AFFORDABLE STANDARDS THAT YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNTY HAS, CAN YOU, CAN YOU FORCE THEM TO KEEP THAT FOREVER AND IN PERPETUITY? BECAUSE THE POINT OF THE RECREATION FEE IS THAT A NEW PERSON MOVES INTO TOWN AND DEMANDS IS, IS A DEMAND ON THE RECREATION SYSTEM AND THAT WE
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NOW HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT PERSON WITH RECREATION.AND IF, LET'S SAY IT IS AN OLDER PERSON, MANY TIMES, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT DEMAND THE MOST FROM OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE COMING TO OUR EVENTS AT THE SENIOR CENTER OR WE'RE DRIVING THEM AROUND TOWN.
NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN ONGOING FEE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF YOU BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU, IF YOU SAY FOR 10 YEARS, IF YOU AGREE TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE, SAY FOR 10 YEARS, THERE WON'T BE A FEE PROVIDED YOU PROVIDE, UM, THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, SAY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH AN ANNUAL, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, STATEMENT INDICATING THAT YOU'RE KEEPING IT, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THE GOAL OF ONE OF THE GOALS IS REALLY AFFORDABLE MAKING, CREATING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M JUST THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THE, THE RESIDENTS, THE NEW RESIDENTS IN THOSE HOMES WOULD ALSO BE USING OUR RESOURCES AND IT WILL BE A COST TO THE TOWN AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS AS A WHOLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BY CUTTING IT DOWN AND CUTTING IT IN HALF, YOU COULD MAYBE MAKE IT A PAYOUT RATHER THAN A ONE LUMP SUM DEAL.
THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH TO AMELIORATE THAT EXPENSE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT.
MAYBE THERE IS SOME SORT OF OPT OUT THAT YOU COULD PUT IN THAT SAYS THEY WON'T USE THE, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M, I ALSO WEAR ANOTHER HAT.
I'M THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE RECREATION COMMISSION IN DOBBS FERRY, AND OUR COMMITTEE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE ADUS THAT ARE, UM, PROPOSED BY DOBBS FERRY, THAT THEY INCLUDE THE RECREATION FUND THERE FOR THE SAME REASON.
UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, BY THE TRUSTEES ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A SLIDING SCALE, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE PERMANENT, WHETHER THERE IS ANY KIND OF LEEWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, PAUL'S TALKING ABOUT, BUT NOT ZERO.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS, UM, A DEMAND ON THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE RECREATION FOR WHOEVER LIVES IN THAT, IN THAT UNIT.
THE SLIDING SCALE IS NOT A BAD IDEA EITHER.
BUT THEN THERE HAS TO BE GUIDELINES AND EVERYTHING TOO.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, AFFORDABILITY IS REALLY, IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS.
SO I, I GUESS MY POINT WAS WHEN I, WHEN I REACHED OUT TO GARRETT WAS PLEASE DON'T LET THIS GO THROUGH WITH A ZERO.
SO WE CAN THINK ABOUT OPTIONS WITH THE SLIDING SCALE.
I WILL SAY THAT THERE, UM, AND THAT WAS A QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC, WILL THERE BE, UH, RENT LIMITS OR, UH, INCOME ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR ADUS? AND, UM, THE LAW IS NOT STRUCTURED THAT WAY.
UM, IN GENERAL, BY NATURE OF THE SMALLER SIZE OF THE A DU, THEY'RE SORT OF DEFACTO, UM, LESS EXPENSIVE, IF YOU WILL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THERE.
UM, BUT WE CAN'T, BUT WAIT, BUT WE CAN'T REGULATE THAT BECAUSE IT'S THEIR HOME.
SO YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT IF I WANNA ADD AN A DU ON MY PROPERTY, THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME TOWN GREEN OF GREENBURG, HOW MUCH I CAN CHARGE BECAUSE, SO I JUST, LET'S, LET'S KEEP THAT, UH, I THINK LEGALLY, UH, YOU COULD, IF THAT WAS, IF THE, IF THE, THE GOAL OF THE, UM, LEGISLATION WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT JUST AFFORDABILITY DRIVEN, YOU COULD MANDATE THAT AND HAVE IT, UM, INCOME ELIGIBLE.
UM, I THINK THAT THE ADUS, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE GOAL, AT LEAST IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, IS TO PROVIDE, UM, A, AN ADDITIONAL VARIETY OF HOUSING CHOICES.
UM, AND WHILE IN SOME INSTANCES IT MAY NOT BE AS EXPENSIVE AS, OR OR INEXPENSIVE AS WE WOULD THINK, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S A NEW TYPE OF HOUSING THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
UM, SO MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A PROVIDING A BROADER SPECTRUM AS OPPOSED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, ENSURING AFFORDABILITY.
UM, BUT I, I DO THINK LEGALLY YOU COULD, I DON'T, I DON'T GET THE SENSE THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION, UH, THE BOARD WANTS TO GO.
AND THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO THIS.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE RENTERS OF THAT PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALSO BENEFICIAL TO THE HOMEOWNER WHO'S CREATING THAT MM-HMM.
BECAUSE IT AMELIORATES THEIR EXPENSE SO THAT SENIORS RIGHT.
CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE IN PLACE OR EXACTLY.
UM, THAT'S, I, THAT'S WHY I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE A SENIOR THAT'S SAYING, MY MORTGAGE IS INCREASING FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO OFFSET THAT BY THE TENANT.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE, SO NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME TOWN OF GREENBURG, YOU'RE PUTTING A CAP ON ME, SO I CAN'T OFFSET THAT.
AND THIS IS THE INTENT OF, OF THIS PROGRAM.
IF, IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING IT.
SO ACTUALLY IN HERE RIGHT, THEY'RE IN THE Q AND A PART.
THERE IT DOES, AS I SAID, WILL THERE BE ANY RENT CONTROL OR AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS? AND THE RESPONSE WAS THE LOCAL LAW DOES NOT HAVE RENT CONTROL OR AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS.
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OKAY.UM, THAT WAS REAL TIME BEFORE I, UH, MADE THESE UPDATES.
I THOUGHT I SAID NOT A DRAFT STICKER ON HERE.
ONE THING I I WILL SAY IS, UM, I'M SORRY.
THE, UM, YEAH, WE KEEP SAYING THAT THIS IS FOR AFFORDABILITY.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT IN ANY OF THIS A U LEGISLATION THAT IT'D BE AFFORDABLE.
THEY, THEY COULD, THEY COULD CHARGE, THEY'RE IN A GOOD SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, A VERY HIGH, UM, AMOUNT OF RENT THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON MIGHT THI NOT THINK IS AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT IN HERE.
I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IS INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK.
BUT TO SAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS AFFORDABLE, I'M NOT SO SURE.
WELL, THERE'S SOME BUILT IN AFFORDABILITY IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A RESTRICTED SIZE, SO YOU CAN MAYBE CHARGE JUST SO MUCH.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE HIGHER RENT DISTRICTS.
SO MAYBE THAT THOSE AREAS WOULD HAVE BENEFIT A LITTLE BIT WITH MORE HIGHER RENTS.
BUT I DON'T, THERE SOME, SOME RAINS ON THAT.
ISN'T IT UP TO US TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THIS TO BE PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, INVENTORY? ISN'T THAT LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DECIDE? IS IT IS A GOAL? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE SAYING, FRANCIS, SEE, MY GOAL, MY GOAL WAS BASICALLY AFFORDABILITY.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THESE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT PARKING AND ALL THAT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT DOES KEEP SENIORS WHO ARE LOWER INCOME.
UM, I JUST SORT OF, IT'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S LIMITED TO SENIORS.
BUT, BUT IF WE, BUT LET'S SAY WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
YOU, TO ME, IF THERE'D BE SORT OF A REQUIREMENT THAT SAY WE, FIRST OF ALL, I, ISN'T THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S ONLY 25, UH, A LIMIT OF 25 PROPERTIES? SO I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THAT IN A MOMENT, BUT, UM, THE, THE LOCAL LAW IS STRUCTURED THAT THE TOWN BOARD RESERVES THE RIGHT BY RESOLUTION TO PUT AN ANNUAL CAP ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO WAY LOWER THAN 25.
AND I WAS GONNA SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, 20%, 10 WOULD BE THE NUMBER THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE 10.
OKAY, SO LET'S SAY WE HAD 10, THEN WHAT? SO I'M JUST THROWING, IF WE HAD 10 AND WE SAID, OKAY, GONNA HAVE 10 UNITS AND IT'S LIMITED TO SENIORS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A FEW NUMBER OF SENIORS, I WOULD PUT LIMITATIONS AND BASICALLY, UH, WE WANT TO HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT, THEN I WOULD SAY.
BUT WITH, IT'S SUCH A SMALL NUMBER OF UNITS, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DENT IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVENTORY, BUT WELL AT LEAST WE'RE, YOU SAID YOU DON'T EXPECT, LET'S EXPECT DO WINDOW DRESSING.
NOW LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT'S GONNA, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THIS, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO BE EFFECTIVE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT.
STARTED OFF, MY FIRST COMMENT WAS ON INTRODUCING A REC FEE, UM,
WE, I, I, I DEFINITELY WILL COME BACK TO THIS TABLE AT A FURTHER TIME WITH SOME OPTIONS ON THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS AN AGE LIMIT, AGAIN, NOT MANY COMMUNITIES DO THAT.
IF YOU WANT THAT, I PROBABLY WILL COME BACK TO THIS TABLE AT A LATER DATE TO SEE IF ANYONE HAS DONE THAT AND LET YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF I THINK IT'S VIABLE.
I JUST, ONE POINT ON THE REC FEE SLIDING SCALE, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM, MULTI-FAMILY, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES INDICATE THAT WHERE AFFORDABILITY IS, UM, UH, GUARANTEED.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF IN IN, IN A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IF ONE GOES OVER AND ABOVE THE 10% SET ASIDE REQUIREMENT, ONCE YOU HIT 20%, THE TOWN BOARD RESERVES THE RIGHT TO WAIVE FEES AND, AND, AND, AND DO OTHER THINGS THAT HELP EXPEDITE THAT APPLICATION.
IT MAY JUST BE THAT THAT SECTION NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED AND THAT IF SOMEBODY TAKES IT UP UPON THEMSELVES TO GUARANTEE AN A DU FOR 50 YEARS AT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TO THAT'S INCOME ELIGIBLE, IT SAY 60% A MI MM-HMM.
IT, THEY MAY VERY WELL BE THAT YOU WOULD PUT THEM INTO THE EXPRESS LANE TO NOT PAY THIS 43 20, UH, REC FEE OR NOT.
AND YOU JUST HAVE TO, I WANNA LET JOE ASK HIS QUESTION.
I DO, I AM BURSTING BECAUSE, WELL, FRANCIS HAD A QUESTION, SO, OH, I'M SORRY.
MY QUESTION IS THIS, AND, AND, AND THIS IS JUST PLEASE EDUCATE ME, WAS THE POINT OF THIS LAW FOR THE PERSON THAT'S MOVING IN OR WAS THE POINT OF THIS LAW FOR THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE HOME TO STAY IN GREENBURG TO OWN.
SO BY MAKING, BY, BY PUTTING A CAP ON WHAT THEY CAN CHARGE, ARE YOU NOW DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE LAW WAS REALLY PUT IN PLACE FOR? I THINK IT'S FOR BOTH, ISN'T IT? IT COULD BE.
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IT COULD BE.SO THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT COULD ARISE, WHICH WOULD COMPEL YOU TO BUILD AN A DU MM-HMM.
IT COULD BE SO THAT, UM, I MOVE INTO THE A DU AND I RENT MY HOUSE OUT.
AND I COULD PROBABLY THINK OF SIX OTHER SITUATIONS.
IF YOU GAVE ME, BUT THE, ALSO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY, BUT THE, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S AN OWNER OCCUPANCY REQUIRE, REQUIRE A REQUIREMENT, BUT THE OWNER WA THE WHOLE POINT OF PUTTING A DU IN WAS FOR THE OWNER'S BENEFIT.
SO IT CAN HELP OFFSET UNDERSTAND IT'S BOTH.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO BE MAKING AN INVESTMENT OF SOME RE LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN ORDER TO BUILD, SO THAT THEY HAVE TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO AMORTIZE THE COST OF THAT.
SO MAKING IT AFFORDABLE IS PUTTING THE ONUS ON THAT OWNER WHO'S REALLY THE PURPOSE, UH, OSTENSIBLY IS TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN PLACE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BALANCE AFFORDABILITY CAN BE LOOKED AT IT FROM BOTH WAYS.
FROM THE OWNER'S POINT OF VIEW TOO.
I THINK ANYWAY, THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT UPFRONT COSTS THAT SOMEBODY IS STRUGGLING TO KEEP THEIR HOUSE, TO PUT IT IN AN A DU, UH, UNLESS THEY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE DESIGNED THE HOUSE IN ADVANCE, UH, TO BE CODE, IT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD ABOUT, WELL WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE ILLEGAL ONES ALREADY.
SO WHETHER
THEY'RE ILLEGAL, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
IT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LIFE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN SIZE WINDOWS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN SIZE WINDOWS THAT DON'T HAVE, ALLOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT COMES IN.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR EGRESS INGRESS.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T HAVE, LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED IN SOME SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S A FIRE IN THE BASEMENT AND IT'S RIGHT BY THE STAIRWAY AND THEY HAVE NO WAY OUT.
THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THEIR WINDOWS IN ORDER TO HAVE EGRESS FROM IT.
BUT THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A SEPARATE, SEPARATE UNIT, SOMEHOW YOU HAVE TO GET COUNTY APPROVAL FOR ANOTHER SINGLE LINE.
THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT ARE AFFECTED HERE.
UM, AND, AND IF YOU PUT IN ANOTHER BUILDING, I BELIEVE THAT'S AN INCREASE IN DENSITY.
UH, WHICH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO WITH WHAT WE USE WITH ELMWOOD TO SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE 179 UNITS, YOU HAVE 113.
UH, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS, BUT I THINK WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD DO IS HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SEE WHAT THEY THINK.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT FROM THERE.
BUT LET'S LET GARY GO THROUGH TODAY IS JUST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE JUST PUT THE SAME LOCAL LAW UP FROM LAST TIME AGAIN.
UM, THESE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT WILL ELICIT, MAY, MAY, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL RESPONSE.
AND I MAYBE HAVE LIKE FIVE OR SIX MORE.
UM, ARE YOU DONE WITH THAT? YES.
JOE, HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU.
OKAY, ON PAGE FOUR, UH, IS THE NEXT, UH, SET OF CHANGES AND, UM, THIS WAS A PLANNING BOARD, UH, I'M SORRY, LET, LET ME BACK UP.
UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UH, TYPICALLY MAKE SENSE FOR THE ONE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENCE DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY COMPLIMENT A ONE FAMILY HOME.
IN LOOKING AT THE ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DOES ENABLE ONE FAMILY TYPE DEVELOPMENTS.
THEREFORE, I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT, UH, ZONING DISTRICT ALSO BE ELIGIBLE PAGE, I'M SORRY, SORRY, PAGE FOUR ON THIS DOCUMENT, THE ONE WITH THE RED.
UM, SO THEREFORE WE'VE SIMPLY ADDED PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ON THE PROSPECT THAT IF SOME LET'S, YOU KNOW, PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS TYPICALLY ARE DESTINED FOR LIKE A GOLF COURSE OR DAY CAMP THAT GOES OUTTA BUSINESS.
IF ONE SOUGHT TO GET APPROVED, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, ALLAH ELMWOOD, UM, THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY HAVE ADUS IN THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE ADDED THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN, SO IT'S NOT MANDATING THAT EVERY UNIT IN ELMWOOD HAVE AN A DU, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ENABLING THEM TO SAY EL ELMWOOD IS BUILT AND IT'S THE YEAR 2030 AN OWNER OF ELMWOOD, IF THIS LAW IS PASSED WITHIN THERE COULD COME IN, HAD THAT BEEN APPROVED AS A PUD
UM, I'M SAYING IT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 20% OF THE, OKAY, SO NOW I'M GONNA TRANSITION TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONCEPT.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT IN NEW SUBDIVISION PROJECTS FOR ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIALS, UH, PROJECTS OR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE SITE PLAN ONE FAMILY TYPE, UM, THAT ADUS COULD BE APPROVED AS PART OF THAT INITIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE SIMPLEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE THIS IS,
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UM, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION COMES IN WITH 10 HOMES, 10 STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, PROPOSED.THEY HAD INDICATED THAT ONE THIRD OF THE DENSITY OF THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS ADUS.
I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.
I THINK THAT THAT ONE THIRD IS A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE.
UM, AND LET'S JUST EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO ELMWOOD 137.
THAT IS, UM, 37 ROUGHLY ON ONE THIRD.
SO, AND IT DOESN'T COMPORT WITH OUR LIMITS NUMBER, NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, YOU'RE CREATING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PLANNING IN TERMS OF THE ROADS AND THE INGRESS AND ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE FACTORED.
AND YOU COULD OVERWHELM WITH DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I DO LIKE THE CONCEPT, AND I CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
MY RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT I'VE WRITTEN IS THAT, UM, ADUS ARE ENABLED TO BE APPROVED IN THE TOWN OF GREEN AMERICA AS PART OF NEW SUBDIVISIONS, BUT ON A 20% RULE.
SO THAT WOULD BE 10 UNIT SUBDIVISION FOR 10 STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
ONE OF THE REASONS, UM, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CONCEPT IS THE TOWN BOARD HAS EXPRESSED SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN EXTENDING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT TO THE ONE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
IT'S TAKEN PROBABLY TOO LONG, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
BUT I DO SEE THE POTENTIAL TO ADD TWO AUS TO 10 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS ONE MECHANISM TO IN BROADEN THE SPECTRUM INTO THAT OF HOUSING STYLES INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND ALTHOUGH, UH, I'M ALSO NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE AN AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENT, UM, IT WOULD SATISFY CONCEIVABLY, UM, THE THE AFFORDABILITY LOCAL LAW PROVISION THAT I'M WORKING ON SEPARATE FROM THIS.
UM, SO WELL, HOW COULD THAT BE IF THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THIS SEPARATE FROM THIS, I'VE GOT ANOTHER LOCAL LAW THAT'S 90%, UM, I HOPE TO BRING IT TO YOU IN FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR.
AND THAT WILL EXTEND 10% AFFORDABLE SET ASIDE TO THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS.
SO WHILE I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS PART OF THE LAW, THIS WOULD BE AN ALTERNATE MECHANISM TO INFUSE ADUS, UM, AS, AS AN AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENT.
THERE ARE TWO SORTS OF ADUS EITHER PART OF THE STRUCTURE OR SEPARATE IF THE PROPERTY PERMITS, CORRECT? YES.
AND, AND HOW IT'S INITIALLY STRUCTURED.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN A, A PLANNED UNIT, UM, AREA SUCH AS ELMWOOD MM-HMM,
THE WAY THIS WOULD BE STRUCTURED IS THAT THE DISCRETION WOULD GO TO THE DEVELOPER AND THEY COULD PROPOSE WHATEVER THEY FEEL IS, IS MOST SUITABLE.
WHETHER THAT'S WITHIN THE HOME OR, UM, WITHIN A GARAGE ABOVE A GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, WELL, WOULD THE BE SEPARATE GARAGES IN THIS? UNLESS IT'S A SEPARATE COMMUNAL GARAGE? LET'S TAKE, LET'S JUST TAKE A STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
NO, I'M ONLY TALKING STANDARD.
BUT IN, IN SPECIFIC TO THIS, I DON'T SEE A, THAT THIS BEING THIS NEWLY BUILT OUT, UM, SUBDIVISION AS HAVING A SEPARATE GARAGE THAT YOU BUILT SOMETHING ON.
WELL TAKE ELMWOOD AS AN EXAMPLE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING AS AN EXAMPLE.
THAT'S A 113 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, AND THEY WILL HAVE FREESTANDING SEPARATE GARAGES.
THEY WILL, THEY MAY OR THEY MAY NOT.
SO IT'S DEPENDS ON WHAT, DEPENDS.
DEPENDS WHAT THE DEVELOPER, THERE COULD BE YOU, THE WHOEVER BUYS THAT LOT IS GONNA HAVE THE DISCRETION TO CHOOSE.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE 10 DIFFERENT HOME MODELS, AREN'T THERE FOUR DIFFERENT KINDS OF ADUS? I GUESS I WOULD SAY THERE'S THREE.
A SEPARATE STRUCTURE GARAGE AND A SEPARATE STRUCTURE.
SO, SO WE COULD LIMIT IT TO EITHER PART OF THE HOME AND
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TOP OF, ON TOP OF THE GARAGE, BUT NOT AS SEPARATE UNIT, ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE AS AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE.YOU MEAN FOR THE LAW AS A WHOLE? YOU CAN NO, NO, FOR, FOR ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, I WOULD THINK I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M JUST ALSO THINKING ABOUT, AND I CAME IN KIND OF AT THE TAIL END OF THE, THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR ELMWOOD, BUT CERTAINLY THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE, UH, PERSUASIONS FOR THE LIMITING IT 213 AND HAVING IT LESS DENSE.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, IS THIS LIKE A WORKAROUND? AND THAT'S, SO THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO ELMWOOD BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
LET'S JUST SAY, AND LET'S ALL HOPE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.
AND I, I, I ACTUALLY PUT IN HERE A CAP THAT NOTWITHSTANDING THE 20% NUMBER, NO DEVELOPMENT SHALL HAVE MORE THAN 20 A TOTAL.
TO TRY AND HAVE SOME SORT OF LIMITATION.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.
BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT NOT HAVING, LEMME UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC HERE.
AND A DEVELOPMENT, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SMALL HOUSE AS THE PORTABLE HOUSING PROPONENT OF LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE POOR PEOPLE.
RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, UH, WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK CITY WHERE THEY HAD THE POOR DOOR, WE HAD PEOPLE THAT GO IN YEP.
NOT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT THE SIDE ENTRY.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT SMALL UNIT.
'CAUSE IT'S KIND A STIGMA ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THERE.
UH, BUT WITH AN A DU, IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THAT SMALL UNIT IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BACK BACKYARD, WHERE EVERYBODY WILL KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LEASED, LEAST WEALTHY IN THE AREA.
UH, I, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT UNLESS I'M CONVINCED OTHERWISE.
I DON'T FAVOR HAVING A STANDOFF STRUCTURE.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S AN INCREASE IN DENSITY, WHICH, UH, VIOLATES THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND SECONDLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, SOMEBODY PUTS, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING BEHIND THEIR HOUSE, WHICH IS THEIR BACKYARD, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO OTHER BACKYARDS, UH, THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO NOT HAVE THE HOUSE THAT THEY ACTUALLY BOUGHT.
UM, BUT GETTING BACK TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS, I THINK IT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA THAT THEY COULD DESIGN TO CODE AND MEET CODE AND ALL THE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ABOUT WINDOWS AND EGRESS AND ACCESS AND SO FORTH, UH, WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING IT, TO HAVE IT CONTAINED WITHIN THE ACTUAL HOUSE.
SO AS ANYBODY'S DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, THEY CAN SEE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
IT'S WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE OTHER THINGS, MY PROBLEM WITH TURNING YOUR GARAGE INTO AN A DU IS THAT WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
SO NOW WE PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, BUT NOW YOU NEED MORE PARKING BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE A DU.
AND NOW PEOPLE ARE ASKING US TO WEIGH THE SNOW PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK OTHER THAN IN THE STREET.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, WITH THESE.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA FOR DEVELOPMENTS TO HAVE SOME AMOUNTS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT BUILT IN AND BUILT FROM THE START BEING, HAVING ALL THOSE SAFETY FEATURE.
'CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR AN A DU IN A BASEMENT AND SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN A DU, THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA HAVE TO TAKE DOWN WHATEVER SHEET ROCK IS UP THERE SO THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY SPEC AND INSPECT THE WIRING.
AND I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THIS HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, YOU, THERE WAS NO ELECTRICAL PERMITS, THERE WERE NO WHATEVER.
UM, THE ONLY WAY TO SEE THAT IS TO TAKE DOWN THE WALLS AND START AGAIN.
SO, BUT BUILDING A BRAND NEW HOUSE, I THINK IT PROBABLY ADD VERY LITTLE TO THE COST OF BUILDING IT.
AND IT MIGHT BE A, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF, OF, OF, UM, ADDRESSING WHATEVER NEED THERE IS FOR SOMEBODY TO REPORT THAT HOUSE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE SITUATION, THOUGH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT IT WAS BEING BUILT ABOVE THE GARAGE, NOT TAKING THE GARAGE OUT.
IT COULD BE, UH, EITHER THE, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU ALSO DISPLAY THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF OFF STREET PARKING.
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SAY IT'S A ONE BEDROOM, A DU, AND LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS A SMALL ONE STORY GARAGE.UM, AS LONG AS YOU SHOW THE THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES MM-HMM.
UM, THIS IS, IS IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, THAT I FELT WAS, WAS, WAS MORE CLEAR.
AND, AND ACTUALLY, SO THERE WAS A RESTRICTION THAT IF YOU, YOU, YOU COULD NOT PLACE A SECOND FRONT ENTRY DOOR IN THE INSTANCE WHERE YOU HAD AN A DU, UH, BUILT INTO THE HOME.
HOWEVER, WHAT THIS CLARIFIES IS THAT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING SECOND DOOR, AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE THAT, TO BE THE LOGICAL ENTRANCE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO DECOMMISSION IT.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO YOUR PLAN.
SO, UM, THAT SEEMED TO BE A LOGICAL ADDITION THERE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOME OWNERSHIP, RIGHT? RATHER THAN RENTAL? UH, YES.
UM, ON PAGE SIX, OWNER OCCUP, ERIC, ERIC GOES BACK TO THE GARAGE.
THIS SAYS THAT, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A DU LOCATED IN THE DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL BE GARAGE, SHALL BE 12 FEET.
WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU YOU LOOKING, FRANCIS? WHERE, WHERE YOU I LOOKING? BATTERY CODE, PROPOSED CODE.
SO THAT, THAT'S FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION GARAGE.
UM, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YOU SEE, I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? YOU LOOKING AT? THE, IT'S THE CODE IT.
IT SAYS THE PLANNING WOULD BAN ITS DISCRETION WITHOUT WAIVER OF THIS HEIGHT REQUIREMENT ONLY THAT A LAW EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH A HEIGHTENED EXCESS OF 12 HEAT IS PROPOSED TO BE CONVERTED TO AN A DO AND SAID WAIVER.
I SHALL NOT BE DEEMED DETRIMENTAL TO THE, THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS LAW IS THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, UH, UM, SHALL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL, SHALL NOT DETRIMENTALLY IMPACT.
HOW, HOW WOULD THAT MEASURE THE ABIDING PROPERTY OF, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE DRIVE.
UM, OKAY, LET'S SEE HERE A FEW MORE.
PAGE SIX, UH, CRITERIA EIGHT, WHICH THE OWNER OCCUPANCY WE REQUIRED, UM, JUST REALLY DRIVES HOME THE POINT.
UH, THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, UH, THE A DU AND THE LAW ON WHICH IT IS SITUATED MUST BE HELD IN CON COMMON OWNERSHIP AT ALL TIMES.
UM, PRECLUDING SUBDIVISIONS AND, AND MAKING THOSE TWO ON SEPARATE LOTS.
SO THAT, THAT, UM, JUST MADE THAT VERY CLEAR.
UM, ON PAGE SEVEN WITH REGARDS TO CRITERIA 15, UM, USED TO SAY A DU DENSITY, IT'S, IT'S REBRANDED, IF YOU WILL, AS NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
UM, THIS IS ALSO A PLANNING BOARD SUGGESTION AND JUST FELT THEIR, THEIR WORDING, UM, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
UM, SO I, I PERSONALLY HAD NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, JUST, JUST BETTER LANGUAGE, IF YOU WILL.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 15? YES.
SO THE CONCEPTS ARE ALL THERE.
IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ENUMERATED AND, AND JUST MADE A LITTLE MORE CONCISE.
UM, THE LAST IS, UM, ON PAGE NINE, UH, SECTION NINE, JUST MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UH, DO NOT REQUIRE, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED, UM, A SPECIAL PERMIT.
THEY WOULD NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND THAT SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIRES A PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PARKING SHOWS WHERE THE A DU WILL BE.
BUT, UM, SITE PLAN IS, IS NOT RESERVED FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THAT'S, THAT'S MORE FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO INSIGHT PLAN EXEMPTIONS, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT, UM, WE'VE WRITTEN UP TO DATE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN POST THIS UPDATE AND I, YOU KNOW, I CAN PRESENT THESE, THESE CHANGES.
UM, I CAN DO A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH INTO SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU'VE MADE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF THERE'S, UM, ANY OF THIS THAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, BY ALL MEANS I'D LIKE TO DIGEST
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IT A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMMENTS, SOME OF THE CON UH, COMMENTS THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN SHEIN MADE TO GIVE ME PAUSE FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.UM, ONE THING THAT CAME UP IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS THE CONCERN OF NOW, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ADUS THAT THE VILLAGES HAVE, HAVE ACTUALLY BUILT, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A REAL PROBLEM, BUT A THEORETICAL PROBLEM THAT THERE COULD BE TOO MANY ON A STREET AND THAT THE PARKING WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, IN TERMS OF DENSITY TO SAY THAT THERE CAN'T BE MORE THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER IN A PARTICULAR SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO WE DID DISCUSS THAT AMONGST BOTH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE, UH, A VL MM-HMM.
AND THERE WAS, I MEAN, THE ONE SCIENTIFIC WAY TO, TO ADDRESS THAT IS TO PUT A LINEAR SEPARATION DISTANCE.
YOU KNOW, THERE SHALL NOT BE TWO ADUS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN PICK A NUMBER, 250 FEET, 500 FEET.
UM, ULTIMATELY, UM, THAT CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE WAS, WAS, WAS DONE.
UM, NOT USING THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, MATHEMATICAL TYPE, UHHUH LINEAR SEPARATION.
AND I GUESS I, I WOULD, I COULD DIRECT YOU TO, UM, LIKE THE SECTION I JUST REFERENCED.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, ENSURING THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING THERE, THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS WITH REGARDS TO, UM, AESTHETICS, PARKING, UM, AND ALSO ON THE PARKING.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS A MAJOR THEME OF, OF WHAT WE HEARD.
UM, EVERY APPLICATION WOULD GO TO, UM, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS IT DOES NOW, THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONTROL, UH, DEPARTMENT AND, AND FOR REVIEW.
AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, NUMEROUS STREETS IN THE TOWN THAT, UM, PROBABLY DON'T MAKE SENSE FOR AN A DU, UM,
I DIDN'T, NO, MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A STANDARD, UH, 26 CURB TO CURB, UM, YOU KNOW, ALMOST LIKE JUST VERY EXTREME NARROWNESS ON A FEW ANOMALY STREETS.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OWNER THERE WOULD EVER WANT TO PUT AN A DU KNOWING HOW TRICKY IT IS EVEN FOR THEMSELVES TO PARK.
IF THEY REALLY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA DO IT.
AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO PARK.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE RED FLAGG BY THE TRAFFIC SAFETY CONTROL OFFICER.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO COMMENT TO US ALL THE TIME WITH GREAT COMMENTS, AND WE WOULD, WE SEND THEM TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR, UM, HYPOTHETICAL DENIAL OF AN APPLICATION.
THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD, UM, UM, IS I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SUBSET CLAUSE ON THE LEGISL ON THE LEGISLATION, BECAUSE THERE WA WHEN WE HAVE A HEARING, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAD LEGIT, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS AND MOST OF IT WAS PARKING THE TRAFFIC.
AND PEOPLE THINK THIS IS GONNA, THEY'RE THINKING WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH PROBABLY WON'T, WON'T HAPPEN.
WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 10 UNITS.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE WILL HAVE TWO OR THREE, YOU KNOW, THE FIR YOU KNOW, THE FIRST YEAR THREE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE.
AND I SORT OF THINK THAT IF WE HAD A SUNSET PROVISION, IT WOULD GIVE THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT IT HAS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE FOLLOWING YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALWAYS READ, ADOPT, OR WE COULD TWEAK IT.
I THINK, I THINK A, A, A YEAR'S SUNSET, CLOSE ENOUGH IS NOT ENOUGH, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, I THINK THAT THAT, UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND, UM, THE COMMISSIONER DID LISTEN TO THOSE CONCERNS AND, AND TOOK GREAT PAINS TO ADDRESS THEM.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF THE MAKING SURE IT'S CLEAR AND ADDRESSING THEM AS THEY, AS THEY, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION ON THAT SUPERVISOR IS, UM, IN THE RESOLUTION, I WOULD RECOMMEND LANGUAGE THAT, UM, REQUESTING ONE YEAR AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE LOCAL LAW THAT I COME BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD IN A SETTING LIKE THIS AND, UM, GIVE A REPORT AND WE CAN HAVE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HERE.
WE CAN HAVE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY'S.
AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT NO APPLICATIONS ARE RECEIVED.
UM, YOU MAY SAY TO YOURSELF, WELL, I'M GLAD WE DIDN'T SUNSET THE LAW.
MAYBE WE MIGHT WANT TO TWEAK IT.
BUT LET'S TAKE THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT.
LET'S SAY WE APPLICATIONS AND THEY'RE BUILT AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WOW, I REALLY WISH THIS LAW WAS NEVER PASSED.
UM, WE, WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, AT A MEETING FOCUSING ON ADUS AND HEAR ABOUT YOU, YOU RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REPEAL THE LAW AT ANY TIME.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY REASON I LIKE THE, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE LIKE ONE YEAR.
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT LONGER, UH, THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT TOWN.
YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS WE COME, WE, WE
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HEAR SO MANY PROPOSALS, AND THEN WE SORT OF GET DIVERTED AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS AND WE MIGHT FORGET, YOU KNOW, AND I FELT THERE'D BE LIKE A SUNSET PROVISION WOULD FORCE THE BOARD AT THE END OF, IF IT'S ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS, UM, WOULD FORCE THE BOARD TO EITHER READOPTED OR, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, OR MAKE MODIFICATIONS.UM, AND THEN WHEN WE, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP AT THE HEARING WHO HAVE A LOT OF DOUBTS AND WERE VERY CRITICAL AND VERY UPSET WITH THE CONCEPT, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE THINKING THE WORST, THEN WE COULD SAY, LISTEN, THIS DOESN'T WORK.
YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY ARE GONNA ONLY HAVE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE FIRST YEAR, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THE LEGISLATION'S DEAD.
UNLESS IT'S REAPPROVED, I THINK WE CAN REPEAL IT.
I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SUNSET IT SINCE WE HAD THE POWER TO REPEAL.
AND BELIEVE ME, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IT IF IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
AND IF WE DO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IT MAY, IT CAN BE THE JUST ONE YEAR, OR IT CAN BE YEARLY REPORT ON WHERE WE STAND FOR, UH, AT EACH JUNCTURE.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE CAN EVALUATE BASED ON THAT DECIDE YOU CAN JUST, AND DECIDE ON HOW IT'S GOING.
LIKE HOW, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING.
I THINK YOU COULD REPORT ON THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR JUST TO KIND OF SEE IF THERE'S A NEED TO MAKE ANY PIVOTS, ANY CHANGES.
SO THERE, THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES TO CONSIDER, WHICH I'D RATHER DISCUSS SESSION.
UH, ON, UH, SIX Q2, WHERE IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM, THE MAXIMUM, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING UNIT SHALL CONTAIN A MINIMUM, UH, GROSS FLOOR AREA OF 400 SQUARE FEET OF THE MAXIMUM GROSS FLOOR AREA SHALL NOT EXCEED 800 SQUARE FEET OR 30% OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA.
THE PRINCIPAL VOTE UNIT CLASS, I THINK YOU NEED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN, UM, WELL, UH, ADUS INSIDE THE BUILDING PRINCIPAL BUILDING, AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT, I THINK THIS IS FINE FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN, UH, INSIDE THE BUILDING.
UH, NOT THAT I SUPPORT THOSE THAT ARE IN INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT IF IT IS INSIDE THE BUILDING, I THINK IT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE IN JEFFERS GREATER LESS IF IT'S NOT IN THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAS A BASEMENT AND HAS A FIRST FLOOR AND A SECOND FLOOR, WHAT THIS WOULD DO WOULD PROHIBIT SOMEBODY USING THE BASEMENT AS AN A DU, BECAUSE THE BASEMENT IS GOING TO BE 33% OF THE, OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THREE FLOORS.
AND SO I THINK YOU MAY, THE 800 MAY KILL AT USING THE BASEMENT THAT IS TOTALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE FLOOR AREA OF THE CURRENT SECOND FLOOR.
WE'LL LOOK TO MAKE THAT CLARIFYING LANGUAGE AND ANY OTHERS THAT THE TOWN BOARD, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN, LET'S SAY OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
UH, IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, MY GOAL WAS AS FOLLOWS, UM, GET SOME FEEDBACK TONIGHT, GET SOME FEEDBACK FOLLOWING TONIGHT ONCE THE BOARD HAS, YOU KNOW, HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE, UM, BY TUESDAY.
UH, GET THOSE COMMENTS BACK OUT TO THE BOARD.
AND SOMETIME NEXT WEEK, OF COURSE, BEFORE, UM, THE END OF THE WEEK, UPLOAD THE, UH, FAQ AN UPDATED LOCAL LAW AND, UM, AND E-BLAST THAT OUT AND, AND MAKE, MAKE, MAKE IT KNOWN TO RESIDENTS.
AND YOU'LL ADD THE, UH, THE ONE YEAR REPORT, LIKE A MANDATORY REPORT? YES.
THAT I, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL REFERENCE THAT IN MY I PRESENTATION.
ULTIMATELY, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL GET CODIFIED THAT WILL, UM, MAKE ITS WAY INTO RESOLUTION.
THE ONLY REASON I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE IN A RESOLUTION OR A, A LAW IS BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT'S JUST NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA FORGET.
I FINE, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THE RESOLUTION OVER PUTTING IT IN THE TOWN CODE ITSELF.
BUT WITHOUT THE CALENDARS, THERE'S NO FORGETTING ANYMORE.
IF IT'S A RESOLUTION, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME FORCE AS BEING PART OF THE, THE CODE IS, I MEAN, IF WE REALLY WANT TO TELL PEOPLE, BUT THE FORCE IS, IS IS ME COMING MAKING A REPORT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING THAT'S SO, SO IF COMMISSIONER DID NOT COME IN AND GIVE THAT REPORT AND IT WAS IN THE TOWN CODE, HE'D BE IN VIOLATION OF THE TOWN CODE AND BE RECEIVING A PENALTY AT AND ATTENDING COURT.
PROBABLY SHOULD, BUT I'M SAYING IF WE WANT TO, I'M THINKING OF THE PEOPLE WHO BASICALLY SPOKE OUT AGAINST, AGAINST US.
SO YOU HAVE A LARGE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAW.
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I WANNA LET THEM FEEL LIKE REASSURED THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY IF WE ADOPT IT.AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF, UM, THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE SUNSET CLAUSE BETTER.
BUT IF BASICALLY WE SAY THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE THAT THERE HAS TO BE AN ANNUAL REPORT, AND YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GONNA ALWAYS BE THERE UNTIL THE, UNTIL THERE'S A CHANGE, THEN I SORT OF FEEL IT'S LIKE A REASSURANCE.
AND WE'LL MAKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS, UM, FEEL, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE AS BAD.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I FEEL CAN WE DO THAT? WELL, YEAH.
CAN WE DO THAT? I'LL LOOK AT OTHER EXAMPLES.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD, I COULD GIVE FURTHER ADVICE AND EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I, I JUST GO BACK TO FRANCIS'S POINT, WHICH ALSO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT, DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE UNIT OR OUTSIDE THE UNIT, THEN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, PROPORTION WOULD CHANGE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING YEAH.
UH, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, CHOP OFF PART OF EVERY, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S THE CONCERN.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S THERE FOR IF THERE ARE ATTACHED UNITS, THEN THAT, THAT, RIGHT.
WHAT ELSE? WE HAVE? JUST HAVE A MOTION.
A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE IN VARIOUS MATTERS.