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UH, WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, WORK SESSION TODAY IS, UH, DECEMBER 10TH.
AND, UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, ENFORCEMENT.
AND, UM, I, UH, THE CABLE TV ACCESS, UM, UH, TEAM JANELLE AND TERRANCE, THEY DID A VERY NICE, UH, VIDEO.
EXCUSE ME, SUPERVISOR, DO YOU WANNA SAY WHERE EVERYBODY IS BEFORE WE? SURE.
JUST TO POINT OUT, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN TOWN HALL.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SHEEN ON ZOOM.
UH, SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND TOWN CODES.
SO, RELATING TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, THE BOARD, UM, THE LAST TIME WE HAD A DISCUSSION SAID THAT WE SHOULD SPEND THIS YEAR TRYING TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE POSTED, UM, A SUMMARY OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THE LEAF BLOWER LAW, AND THE NOISE ORDINANCES ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, CABLE TV TEAM, UM, CAME UP WITH A VERY NICE VIDEO.
UM, WE POSTED THAT ON THE WEBSITE TODAY.
I ASKED MARIA PORTIA IF SHE COULD, UM, UM, BASICALLY TRANSLATED IN SPANISH.
UM, AND THEN I ASKED MY ASSISTANT IF WE COULD REACH OUT TO LANDSCAPERS, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE GONNA ENFORCE THE LAW AND HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT THERE'S A PROVISION THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF, UM, LEAF BLOWERS ON, ON PROPERTIES.
UM, GINA SENT, UM, THE BOARD, UH, A QUICK EMAIL EARLIER.
UM, AND I THINK YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE A LIST OF NO, THAT, SO THAT WAS THE ASSISTANT DE NO, THAT WAS THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WHO SAID, WHO SAID, DID WE ANYONE CONTACT THE COUNTY? SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
DID ANYONE CONTACT THE COUNTY? I, I, I, UH, YOU KNOW, EMAILED OLD, UM, UH, STEVE BASS, WHO WORKS FOR THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, ASKING HIM, UM, IF THE COUNTY HAS A LAND, UH, A LANDSCAPE LIKE LICENSING, LANDSCAPERS, LICENSING.
I WASN'T SURE IF THEY DID, BECAUSE, UM, I ASKED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IF THEY HAVE A LIST OF ALL LANDSCAPERS AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAS MADE, UH, BY A RESIDENT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA, WOULD BE TO, UM, UH, REQUIRE SOME SORT OF LICENSING OF, UH, LANDSCAPERS, BECAUSE THIS WAY, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LICENSED, THEN WE COULD REACH OUT TO THEM.
WE COULD NOTIFY EVERYBODY OF ALL THE, ALL THE, ALL THE NOISE LAWS AND LEAF FLOWING LAWS, AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BETTER ENFORCEMENT.
I, I'M WONDERING IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON I NOT SURE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ANY REASON WHY.
UM, I JUST THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS FOR THAT KIND OF LICENSING WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD DO.
WELL, THE LICENSING IS NOT, WE DON'T ISSUE THE LICENSE.
THE COUNTY IS ISSUES THE LICENSE.
UNLESS I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, UM, MY NOTES FROM, UM, DEPUTY INSPECTOR GARRITY.
IT'S SAYING LANDSCAPERS ARE LICENSED BY WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO CON WE NEED TO CONTACT CONSUMER PROTECTION.
SO THEN I'LL, NOW I KNOW WHAT I'LL DO.
IT WAS IN AN EMAIL THAT SHE SENT THIS MORNING.
SO, UH, BUT THERE AREN'T THERE LANDSCAPERS THAT WORK, THAT AREN'T, AREN'T NECESSARILY, UM, LICENSED.
I WOULD IMAGINE THERE ARE LANDSCAPERS THAT ARE WORKING THERE, PROBABLY NOT LICENSED.
I I, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S ANYONE, THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S, YOU KNOW, SAYING OR A PLUMBER OR SOMETHING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT PIECE OF NO, NO, THAT'S, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT I COULD ALSO DO IS I COULD USE LIKE NEXTDOOR AND FACEBOOK AND ASK PEOPLE IF THEY COULD, UH, PROVIDE ME WITH NAMES OR PROVIDE US WITH NAMES OF, UM, UH, LANDSCAPERS AND THEIR PHONE NUMBERS OR ADDRESSES.
WELL, INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, MAYBE YOU JUST TELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST TELL, UH, CONSTITUENTS OR RESIDENTS SAME THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AND THIS IS OUR LEAFBLOWER LAW, SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT TOO, IF THEY'RE USING A NON LICENSED, UM, CONTRACTOR.
SO, SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY AT SOME POINT THEY MAY PUT THAT FINE, GIVE THAT FINE OVER TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE LAW AS WELL.
THE OTHER THING THAT I SORT OF THINK IS, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY SUMMONSES THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED SINCE WE PS DID.
AND I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, I MEAN, I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD EXP EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHORT STAFFED, I THINK THAT IF WE, UH, PROVIDED BUILDING INSPECTORS, FIREFIGHTERS WITH, UM, THE ABILITY, I, SO I'M JUST SAYING I JUST WANT, BECAUSE I GAVE SOME NO, THAT WAS, I THINK NO, BUT I THINK THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE THING IS, WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH A NOISE ORDINANCE IS THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE UNLESS SOMEBODY ACTUALLY SEES THEM VIOLATING THE LAW.
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TO THE POLICE, BY THE TIME THEY SHOW UP, THE LANDSCAPERS WILL PROBABLY BE GONE.AND WE SAID THIS DURING A, WHICH IS I CAN, SO THE THING IS, IF YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE ROAD, UM, AND THEY NOTICE IT, THEN THEY, THEN, UH, ONLY IF THEY NOTICE IT WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING AROUND MM-HMM
THEN THEY COULD SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE VIOLATING THE LAW.
I'M GIVING YOU, WELL, THEY CAN REPORT IT, BUT THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T ENFORCE IT UNLESS WE P**S THE LAW.
BUT, BUT, BUT I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK WE COULD YOU GO AHEAD, SORRY.
JUST TO CHANGE OUR TOWN CODE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE COULD CHANGE THE LAW, BUT TO, TO, TO ANY CHANGES.
I'M REFERRING TO ANY CHANGES TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT SPECIFICALLY IF IT, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THERE BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THE NOISE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
BUT, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE LEGAL THAT NOT COME UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WELL, THAT'S HOW IT'S CURRENTLY SITUATED WITH OUR CURRENT WAY THE LAW IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
BUT WE COULD, WE COULD AMEND IT AND INCREASE ENFORCEMENT.
BUT I THINK, I THINK BEFORE WE START CHANGING LAWS AND EVERYTHING, THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN INTERNALLY.
NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW IF WE CAN REALLY ENFORCE THIS ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER.
THAT'S THE CONCERN HERE IS THE MANPOWER.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LET MORE PEOPLE ENFORCE IT AND WE HAVE MORE MANPOWER, OR I DON'T, BUT YOU'RE DIRECTING INTO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE VERY SHORT STAFFED AS IT IS.
WE DON'T, WE CAN'T PUT MORE ON THOSE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH IMPORT, YOU SAYING THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN MANY SUMMONS.
HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE THERE BEEN TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I'VE GOT, WELL, I THINK I SENT THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF SOME EMAILS, UH, LAST WEEK SAYING THAT THEY CALLED, UH, HOW MANY, HOW MANY? I THINK THERE WERE LIKE THREE OR FOUR, YOU KNOW, 1, 3, 3 LAST WEEK.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, THE PROBLEM THAT I SAY IS IF WE'RE NOT THREE CALLED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY SAID THE POLICE SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF AT THAT TIME TO, UH, DO IT.
BUT THEN, UH, THE CHIEF MET WITH HIS, YOU INVESTIGATING? NO, THE CHIEF AFTER THAT, THEN HE BASICALLY SAID THAT HE SPOKE TO HIS, UM, PATROL OFFICERS AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA, UH, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE IT.
BUT THE THING, YOU KNOW, I'M SORT OF THINKING, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.
I MEAN, I THINK MAYBE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MODIFY THE LAW AND AND SAY REQUIRE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN ANNUAL REPORT? BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T WANNA HAVE IT MAKE A JOKE OUT OF THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A LAW AND WE ALL WORKED ON IT, AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, WE NOW HAVE THESE LIMITATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF LEAF BLOWERS ON PROPERTY.
SO IF WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ENFORCING IT, THE BOARD SHOULD KNOW.
AND THEN WE COULD ALWAYS IMPROVE THE LAW.
IF IT'S BEING ENFORCED AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING SUMMONSES AND WE'RE REALLY WORKING HARD TO ENFORCE IT, THEN I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THEN WE COULD SAY TO THE PUBLIC, LISTEN, WE ADOPTED SOMETHING AND IT'S WORKING.
IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S WORKING.
I BELIEVE I SAID THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU ARE A REQUIRING REPORTS FROM EMPLOYEES OR STAFF TO HAVE THAT DONE VIA RESOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO WITHIN THE TOWN CODE ITSELF.
THAT'S, AND YOU KNOW THAT WHETHER IT IT'S IN A RESOLUTION OR IN THE TOWN CODE, IF WE ASK A DEPARTMENT HEAD, WE WANT A REPORT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BY RESOLUTION.
WE CAN JUST ASK THEM FOR THE REPORT AND THEY'RE GONNA PRODUCE THE REPORT.
I MEAN, THE COMPLAINTS I GET IS THAT PEOPLE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PASSED THE LAW THAT WE, WE NEVER INTENDED TO ENFORCE.
AND PEOPLE BASICALLY ARE UPSET BECAUSE THEY FEEL, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON AND ON FOR DECADES.
AND, AND SO I SORT OF FEEL IF WE COULD SHOW PEOPLE THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING COMPLAINTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN MADE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW SOME RESIDENTS TAKE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO CONTACT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING OTHER THINGS AND THEY'RE TOO BUSY AND THEY DON'T WANT TO CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE LAW WORKS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY, ENFORCE THE LAW, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE IT ACTUALLY ENFORCED.
AND IF, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS ARE SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO, UM, REVIEW YOUR COMPLAINT.
WELL THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO AS WELL.
WE CAN ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR A REPORT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE WAS ALMOST NO, NO OUTREACH REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, FORM OF THE, OF THE, UH, NOISE ORGANS RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT.
AND SO GOING INTO, AND WE ALSO HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE BLOWING LEAVES DURING THE TIME THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PERMITTED FOR THEM TO BLOW LEAVES ANYWAY.
'CAUSE THE LEAVES ARE COMING OFF THE TREES.
BUT NOW GOING INTO THE SUMMER, UH, WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION DISTRIBUTION, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A, A GOOD TEST OF IT, THE LAW NEXT SUMMER.
BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER, NOT 9 1 1, NOT AN EMERGENCY NUMBER.
AND, UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.
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BUDGET DISCUSSION.NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF CHANGES IN THE LAST MEETING AND WE MADE THOSE, UM, THAT WAS, UH, FOR THE POSTAGE LINES.
THOSE WERE ADDED THE WHAT? POSTAGE? POSTAGE.
UM, IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET ALSO, GARRETT HAD REQUESTED THE FORESTRY POSITION.
WE HAD OMITTED THAT WE HAD PUT THAT BACK IN.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES THAT I HAVE.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A SHARED POSITION, I THOUGHT, OR WITH PARKS AND REC.
DIDN'T WE SAY THAT WAS GONNA BE A SHARED? THEY BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH REQUIRED TO HAVING SOME FORESTRY PERSON EXPERT.
SO WHAT'S GONNA BE ALLOCATED BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS OR SHARE THEM? NO, THAT, THAT'S IN GARRETT'S.
UH, GARRETT WANTS TO DO A FORESTRY OFFICER.
SO THAT IT WOULD BE ALL IN GARRETT'S, UH, LINE, BUT THE, I THINK HE'S GONNA SHARE IT, YOU KNOW, WITH PARKS AND RICK.
SO WE CAN ALLOCATE A PERCENTAGE OF THE SALARY BASED ON THE TIME THAT'S SPENT WITH PARKS AND RICK, ONCE THE PERSON IS ON BOARD MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID DISCUSS SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AND WE'VE GOTTEN SOME EMAILS ABOUT THIS.
IT'S, IT'S AN AWKWARD YEAR, JUST THE WAY THE CALENDAR RAN AND HOW THE, UH, BUDGET WAS PUT TOGETHER AND SO FORTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A WORK SESSION BETWEEN TOMORROW NIGHT AND MONDAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO MEET A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD GAME TO, TO DECIDE WHAT IS IT THAT, UH, WE HEARD FROM TOMORROW NIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE WANTED TO DO OR NOT DO.
UM, IT IS A, IT IS A STRANGE SITUATION.
NORMALLY WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE SLIP SHEETS AND THEN WE HEAR ABOUT THE SLIP SHEETS, AND THEN WE CHANGE THE SLIP SHEETS AND, UM, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT US TO CONSIDER PUT OUT THERE TOMORROW NIGHT, I GUESS, IS, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A FORENSIC AUDIT.
BUT THE LAST THREE YEARS WE HAVE A NEW CONTROL THAT CAME IN AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS, BUT SHE HAD TO PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET, UH, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE YEAR THAT SHE HAD NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, UM, SHOULD BE DETERMINED.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING BEST PRACTICES, NOT, NOT DEALING.
I THINK THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY PART CORRECT PRACTICES? I, I JUST WANNA ASK YOU ABOUT THE SLIP SHEETS.
WHAT ARE THEYS SLIP SHEETS? DO THEY COME FROM THE BOARD OR? NO, A SLIP SHEET WOULD BE BASICALLY ANY CHANGES THAT BE PUT ON INSTEAD OF REPRINTING THE BOOK.
YOU KNOW, FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A SHEET OF WHAT THE UH, THE CHANGES? YEAH, JUST THE CHANGES.
YOU JUST REFLECTED SHEET TO HAVE ONE SHEET POSTED BEFORE A BUDGET.
IF SOMEONE HAS THIS FORM FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, I COULD SEND IT.
'CAUSE WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS I'M INPUTTING THE CHANGES INTO THE SOFTWARE AND THEN IT'S JUST EASY ENOUGH TO DOWNLOAD THE NEW BUDGET.
WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY REPRINT IT AND A BINDER, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RERUN IT FROM EUNICE INTO ONLINE.
YOU KNOW, CONVERT IT TO A PDF AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE EFFECTIVE DATES, SO IT COULD ALL UPDATE IT, THE UPDATE THEN THE DATE.
SO YEAH, SO WE CAN ADD THE ADDITIONAL COLUMN.
SO YOU WOULD SEE THE CONVERSION FROM THE TENTATIVE TO THE PRELIMINARY.
SO THE PROGRESSION OF THE BUDGET.
AND, UM, WE CAN NOTATE ANY CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BY THE BOARD.
THE FORENSIC BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO WHAT FRANCIS SAID HAS, HE SAID IT'S AN UNUSUAL YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIMITED IN TIME.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA FOCUS ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE FOR TONIGHT.
SO, UM, NO, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO THAT.
UM, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? UM, YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO A FORENSIC AUDIT.
UM, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, LAST WEEK, UM, YOU HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE OPERAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR IN A POSITION THAT I PUT IN THE BUDGET, UM, SINCE THE BUDGET IS, SINCE, YOU KNOW, I INCLUDED FUNDING 175,000 FOR THE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR.
WHAT IT MAKES, I'M JUST THINKING MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THE FORENSIC, UH, AUDIT USING THAT FUNDING, AND THEN AFTER WE DO THE AUDIT, THEN IT MAY PROVIDE US WITH MORE,
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YOU KNOW, LIKE ELLEN HAD SAID SHE WANTS DATA, WHY WE NEED AN OPERATIONS PERSON.THAT MIGHT THEN LEAD TO, UM, UH, SOME STRUCTURAL CHANGES.
WHAT ARE THE, WHAT DO THE TWO HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER THEN? NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS WAY.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY.
WELL, WE COULD LEAVE THE 175,000 IN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE USED FOR THE AUDIT IF THE BOARD DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE OPERATIONS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING, ARE YOU SAYING HOW WE ALLOCATE THAT MONEY THAT IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN THE BUDGET? YEAH.
IS THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING WOULD JUST BE, YOU COULD KEEP THE 175 AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS, TOWARDS, TOWARDS LIKE AN INTERNAL REVIEWS OR WHATEVER FORENSIC, FORENSIC, A FORENSIC, UM, AUDIT.
SO JUST LEAVE THE 175 AND SAY FORENSIC AUDIT, UM, INTERNAL OPERATIONS, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR, WHATEVER.
THAT SEEMS, THAT DOESN'T SEEM NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME.
NO, I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN AN ACTUAL LINE.
YEAH, NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU COULD JUST, IF WE HAVE THE 175,000 THAT I ALREADY BUDGETED AND ASSUMING THE BOARD, SO HE'S JUST CHANGING.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING PAUL, SO HOLD ON, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING PAUL CORRECTLY.
SO HE IS SAYING CURRENTLY THE BUDGET HAS THAT THERE'S $175,000 AND FOR OPERATIONS, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR PERSON, WHATEVER.
BUT WHAT NOW? HE'S SAYING NOW HE'S SAYING INSTEAD OF THAT LINE FOR THAT 175,000 IS NOW GOING TO BE FOR FORENSIC AUDIT, IT COULD BE NOT TO EXCEED WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT MATTER.
SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S, UM, THEY'RE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RE REMOVE THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM AND ADD A NEW BUDGET LINE ITEM, OR INCREASE THE BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THE ACCOUNTING COSTS IF THE BOARD WANTS.
BECAUSE MY FAILING IS, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO THE TOWN, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IF WE FORENSIC, UH, LETTER, THEY MAY COME UP WITH, UM, MORE REASONS WHY TO JUSTIFY THE POSITION IN THE MINDS OF MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD.
SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF YOU KEEP HITTING YOUR MIC, IF YOU, YOU KEEP HITTING YOUR MIC OFF.
SO I FEEL THAT IF WE, UM, IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE TAKE DO STEP ONE, THE FORENSIC AUDIT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL REVIEWING WHAT THEY'RE FINDING, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS REVISIT THE OPERATIONS PERSON LATER ON IF THE BOARD WANTS, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR RATIONALE FOR ONE, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING KNOWLEDGE FROM DOING THE FORENSIC AUDIT TO AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA DO THIS OTHER POSITION.
BUT BUDGET-WISE, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE JOB.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING ON OTHER HAND, WELL, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LET KIMBERLY WEIGH IN ON HOW WE SHOULD DO THIS.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING IF YOU HAVE 175 FOR ONE, YOU COULD JUST, UH, DELETE THE ONE THE THING THAT EVERYBODY WANT, THAT YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD, WE KNOW WE DIDN'T DECIDE THAT WE'RE DOING IT.
LET THE COMP, LET'S LET THE TROLL EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.
WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT, WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY FOR BEST PRACTICES IN ACCOUNTING.
AND PUT THE NEW ITEM IN OR PUT A NEW ITEM IN.
YOU COULD BUDGET THE SAME AMOUNT THAT I HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED.
WHY WOULD IT COST THAT MUCH? NO, I'M NOT SAYING 50 THAT FORENSIC COSTS HUNDRED.
NO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOR ONLY THAT.
IT COULD BE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO THEY, IT PROBABLY WILL COST ABOUT 45,000.
SO SHOULD WE PUT THAT IN AS A, I WOULD PUT 45 IN.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LINE ITEM SPECIFICALLY SAYING FOR THE FORENSIC AUDIT.
AND THEN WE ARE ALSO GONNA HAVE ANOTHER LINE ITEM THAT OUTLINES THAT IS FOR THE, UH, WHAT IS THE OPERATIONS? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LINE ITEM 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE UNIFORM CHART OF ACCOUNTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ACCOUNTING AUDIT LINE AND WITHIN THERE IN UNIS IT'S GOING TO GONNA ITEMIZE OUT WHAT THE ACCOUNTING, YOU TELL US, YOU TELL US WHAT THE DOLLARS FOR THE ACCOUNTING WILL USED.
MY PROCUREMENT DECLARE NONE OF THIS IS WRITTEN IN STONE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FILE.
IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS, UH, DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, WHICH I'VE ADVOCATED FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
UM, WOULD THE BOARD HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO LEAVING IT IN THE BUDGET? BUT, UH, PERHAPS, UM, MAKING A COMMITMENT THAT THE PERSON WOULD ONLY BE HIRED IF, UH, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AGREE, YOU KNOW, AGREE THAT IT'S NECESSARY.
SO WE COULD LEAVE IT AS SORT OF A PLACEHOLDER WITHOUT COMMITTING THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND, BECAUSE I SORT OF, I, I REALLY THINK I SENT EVERYBODY LIKE AN EMAIL.
UM, UM, I THINK, UM, ON MONDAY, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING, UM, ALL THE REASONS WHY I THINK THAT IS JUSTIFIED.
WELL, I MEAN THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHY WOULD THIS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKING ABOUT WHO THIS PERSON WOULD REPORT TO YOU, YOU AGREED IT WOULD REPORT, THIS PERSON NEEDS TO REPORT TO THE FULL TOWN BOARD, FINE.
RIGHT? SO THEN WHY IS IT IN YOUR, WHY WOULD WE HAVE IT IN THE SUPERVISOR'S BUDGET? BUDGET?
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NO, BECAUSE CHECK.NO, BECAUSE THEN AFTER THE, THE CRITICISMS LAST WEEK, THEN I SAID IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ME.
THAT THEY REPORT TO IT COULD BE THE WHOLE BOARD.
WELL, BUT I THINK THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE TO LAST WEEK.
NO, BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SO YOU'RE COMPROMISING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S CRITICISMS, I THINK IT'S JUST OUR FEEDBACK.
NO, I, I'M LISTENING TO CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.
GOOD AND BETTER SUGGESTION, BETTER PRACTICES OF RUNNING THE TOWN.
AND WE MAY NOT BE, WE MAY NOT BE WEDDED TO THE TITLE OF DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS.
THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER TITLE, PERHAPS ADMINISTRATOR COME UP WITH WHAT ADMINISTRATOR? WELL, WE NEED TO SEE WHAT COMES UP.
LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST GET TO THAT POINT.
SO I THINK WE'RE CLEAR MM-HMM
SINCE YOU CORRECTED ME VERY NICELY ON HOW THAT SHOULD BE, UM, DISPLAYED.
SO THEN, SO THEN IF WE LEAVE IT IN THE BUDGET, SHOULD BASICALLY IT BE ON A SEPARATE LINE RATHER THAN, I MEAN, UH, FRANCIS LAST WEEK YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL THAT, OH, THE SUPERVISOR'S BUDGET WAS GOING UP A LOT BECAUSE OF THE OPERATIONS THING.
SO DO YOU WANT IT IN THE TOWN BOARD'S BUDGET OR WOULD YOU WANT IT ON A SEPARATE LINE? UH, SO IT DOESN'T, SO THE TOWN BOARD BASICALLY DOESN'T GET BLAMED FOR INCREASING THEIR BUDGET.
I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT ONE.
NO, WHAT LINE, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WOULD YOU PULL IT OUT OF EACH? WHEN WOULDN'T YOU HAVE IT AS A SEPARATE ITEM? NOT UNDER THE SUPERVISOR.
IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT REPORTS TO.
SO, WELL, IF IT'S REPORTING TO THE TOWN BOARD, FULL TOWN BOARD, IT'S GONNA GO IN YOUR BUDGET TO THE TOWN BOARD BUDGET.
WELL WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HARM HAS TO SAY TOMORROW.
I WAS UPSTAIRS LISTENING AND UH, THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FULL-TIME TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
THE, THE PRIMARY ROLE IS TO PROCESS TREE REMOVAL APPLICATIONS OUT OF THE CD AND C DEPARTMENT.
BUT BY ALL MEANS, A SCHEDULE ALLOWS, AND OF COURSE, FOR CERTAIN VERY IMPORTANT PROJECTS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, LEND THAT STAFF PERSON OUT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
BE IT DPW OR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
I, I DO ACTUALLY, I DO WANNA LOOK, I DO WANNA LOOK AT THE UNIFORM CHART OF ACCOUNTS ON THE POSITION.
DEPENDING ON THE TITLE, I WOULD NEED A TITLE TO SEE WHERE IT WOULD GO.
SO I DON'T WANNA ANSWER THAT PREMATURELY.
I ALSO, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, MOVE IT AT ANOTHER TIME IF WE HAVE TO.
I ALSO, IN THE, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, I THINK I PUT IN A POSITION FOR, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES THAT I SAID, I SAID, I CALLED IT A DIRECTOR ADMINISTRATOR OF PERSONNEL, BUT THE COUNTY SAID WE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE, THE TITLE TO CONSULTANT.
IT'S GONNA BE A CONSULTANT, BUT I, I WOULD NEED THE BOARD.
I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD TO REVIEW THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT I SENT OUT PLEASE.
AND LET ME KNOW IF IT'S OKAY TO MOVE AHEAD WITH POSTING THAT.
BUT, BUT, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE BUDGET ON THAT ALSO, RIGHT? WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT POSITION THAT'S JUST IN THE DETAIL.
SO I'LL JUST UPDATE THE NAME OF THE POSITION.
IT WOULD BE THE SAME SALARY THOUGH, BUT NO BENEFITS.
SO THE COUNTY IS ADVOCATING THAT WE HAVE A NON-UNION POSITION.
I'M SORRY, I I MISSED THE QUESTION.
IS THE COUNTY ADVOCATING THAT WE HAVE A NON-UNION POSITION? IS HIS QUESTION? IS THE COUNTY, IT'S NOT A POSITION AS A CONSULTANT COUNTY ADVOCATING 'CAUSE IT'S A CONSULTANT.
WELL, THEY'RE CALLING A CONSULTANT, BUT WE WANTED TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEBODY AS AN HR DIRECTOR.
BUT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
NO, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
SO WE CAN HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN AND ADVISE ON HR.
BUT HOW DOES SOMEBODY ADVISE BUT ALSO BE THE PERSON WHO IS DOING THE APPROVAL AND NOT APPROVAL OF PERSONNEL ISSUES? SO ACCORDING TO THE TOWN CODE, ANY DECISIONS TO, UM, HIRE OR TERMINATE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COMPTROLLER.
AND THEY SENT ME A COPY OF THAT AND I SENT THAT TO YOU.
SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE CHANGING THE CODE TO REFLECT THE NEW POSITION.
WE, YEAH, WE, WE, WE NEED A CODE CHANGE BECAUSE HAVING CONSULTANT, WELL I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO A PERSONNEL ISSUE SINCE THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
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SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT POSITION IN THERE THOUGH, RIGHT? THE PERSONNEL CONSULTANT? YES.OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THE CAPITAL BUDGETS? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES IN THAT? UM, WELL I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY S AND P BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO OUR DEBT CEILING LIMIT TO REDUCE, UM, THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
SO WE WERE THINKING OF REDUCING IT BY A MILLION DOLLARS.
I THINK RICH SAID THERE WAS SOME ROOM TO REDUCE ONE OF THE ITEMS IN HIS BUDGET.
YEAH, I SPOKE TO RICH FUND AND THE, WHAT ITEM IS THAT? THE, UH, THE ROAD.
PUT, HANG ON, HANG ON, LET ELLEN SIT DOWN.
YEAH, WE HAVE PUT IN 6 MILLION AND I THINK HE SAID WE COULD GO WITH LIKE 5 MILLION.
NORMALLY WE PUT IN 2 MILLION, BUT, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY NOW GONNA BE ALMOST ALL CAUGHT UP WITH, UM, ALL THE ROAD WE'RE PAVING IN THAT ON TOWN OWNED STREETS.
AND HE'S RICH SAID THAT HE COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
ANY, ANY OTHER AREAS? NO, I, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND SEE IF THE BOARD HAD ANY OTHER SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS THAT THEY WANTED TO CHANGE.
SO, SO I KNOW WE, OH, SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, UM, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING.
SO DON, I THINK WE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A BUDGET FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO FOR, WAS IT SANDRA ACCOUNT? I GUESS? NO, I GUESS IT'S, I DON'T, I WON'T, OH, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE WRONG WORD.
WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT IN THERE.
I CAN'T USE THE S WORD, SO LET'S, OH, DEFINITELY.
NO, NO, ACTUALLY I THINK WE PUT THAT IN ALREADY THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, OKAY.
SO IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING FURTHER THEN UM, WE WOULD MOVE TO THE SECOND PASS OF THE BUDGET.
IS THERE ANY ITEMS THAT THE BOARD WISHES TO DISCUSS FURTHER TO CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANNA ADMIT? I, I WOULD THE SECOND PASS, SO THE FIRST PASS COMES WHEN WE REVIEW THE FIRST TIME WHEN I PRESENT THE BUDGET AND WE GO OVER IT.
AND THEN THE SECOND PASS IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE FROM THE TENTATIVE TO THE PRELIMINARY.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A PARTICULAR PERSON, IF WE COULD SAVE THAT FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION PLEASE.
WE, WE, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED TO THE PRELIMINARY BY HAVING THE FIRST HEARING.
DID WE NOT ADVERTISE THAT AS A PRELIMINARY BUDGET EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE NO CHANGES? NO, I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE DONE WAS FALSE.
IT'S NOT WORTH WORRYING BAD AT THE MOMENT.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAP WHAT PEOPLE SAY TOMORROW AT THE HEARING.
YOU COULD GIVE YOU A STANDING OVATION.
I DUNNO, FRANCIS, I THINK YOUR IDEA OF THE FORENSIC EDIT IS A REALLY GOOD ONE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY GOOD TO, UH, DO A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS WHERE WE ARE SEE, UH, THE DEFICIENCIES.
AND I THINK THIS WILL HELP US A LOT.
CAN I ASK OUR COMPTROLLER IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD FLAG THAT PERHAPS WE MISSED THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? I ACTUALLY HAVE AN ITEM FOR GARRETT'S BUDGET.
I WAS GONNA ASK HIM ABOUT CAN YOU PURCHASE THE GIANT SCISSORS AND RIBBON SO THAT WE CAN DO A RIBBON? I THINK I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT SINCE OUR, WELL, SO OUR, UM, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS NOT UP UP TO SPEED YET, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME THAT PERHAPS YOU COULD, IN YOUR ROLE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THAT KIND OF THING, PERHAPS YOU COULD DO THAT.
SO WE COMM THE BUDGET BY $5 99 CENTS.
WE'LL GET SOME SHOVELS FOR THE, UH, GROUNDBREAKING.
WELL, SO YES, AND THE HARD HATS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO COMMEND GINA FOR, UH, UH, SUGGESTING, UH, THAT WE LIGHT UP, PUT THE LIGHTS ON, UH, UH, THE TOWN HALL.
I, I CAME HERE AND I SAID, THIS WAS REALLY SO AMAZING.
IT REALLY LOOKS SO NICE AND WANT TO COMMEND YOU.
STILL WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT WE, SO OH, IS THAT YOU? THAT'S, NO, WELL ACTUALLY IT WAS A SUGGESTION, BUT LISTEN, I WON'T TAKE CREDIT.
I HAVE TO GIVE THE CREDIT TO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
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THAT'S NICE.'CAUSE THEY'VE WORKED HARD TO PUT THESE, UM, LIGHTS UPS.
ANYWAY, I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DID A GREAT JOB.
UH, THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO, UM, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, LOOKING AT CONTRACTS, LOOKING AT PAST YEARS.
SO, UM, THEY GOT INTO THE MUNIS THIS YEAR, WHICH THEY HADN'T DONE PREVIOUSLY.
SO THEY WERE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I, UM, WAS APPRECIATIVE THAT WE COULD WORK WELL TOGETHER.
SO I JUST WANNA THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND, AND THE BOARD AND THE SUPERVISOR.
I'M LATE TO THE GAME, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COLLABORATIVE MANNER IN WHICH YOU WORKED WITH THEM.
AND THANK YOU FOR TEACHING US AS ALWAYS, BECAUSE SOME THINGS WE THINK WE KNOW, BUT YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WELL AWARE AND WELL EDUCATED.
NOPE, ALL THE PATS ON THE BACK.
WERE YOU STILL, HAVE YOU STILL HAVE? WE, WE, YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I WANTED TO, TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
REALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, REMARKABLE, YOU KNOW, COMING IN COLD WITH, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX BUDGET WITH, UH, A BUDGET AND B BUDGETS AND ICONS AND ALL, ALL THE REST.
AND, UH, REALLY JUST, UM, DIGGING IN DEEP, LONG, VERY LONG HOURS, INCLUDING ON WEEKENDS AND, UH, LOTS OF PHONE CALLS AND, UH, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT OF IT.
SO NEXT ITEM, UH, WE HAVE, UH, GARRETT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR S SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED.
SO YOU WANNA GIVE US LIKE A AFFORDABLE HOUSING UPDATE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I, AND I'D LIKE TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FIRST, IF IT'S OKAY.
AND THEN SWITCH OVER TO DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED NEEDS.
UM, BEFORE I DO THAT, JUST A QUICK LITTLE STORY.
UM, I WAS DRIVING TO WORK THIS MORNING AND I WAS COMING ALONG NOEL WOOD ROAD OVER BY THE COLLEGE, AND I SAW A WOMAN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND SHE HAD ONE OF THOSE STICKS THAT YOU GRAB LITTER AND SHE WAS INDEED PICKING UP LITTER AND THAT STRUCK ME.
SO I PULLED OVER AND I WANTED TO THANK HER AND I DID, I GAVE HER MY CARD.
I SAID, SEND ME AN EMAIL SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, MORE FORMALLY THANK YOU.
UM, BUT SHE'S PROBABLY NOT WATCHING RIGHT NOW, BUT WHOEVER JANE IS WHO LIVES OFF OVER BY THE COLLEGE RESIDENT, SHE SAID ON HER DAYS OFF, SHE JUST GOES OUT AND TRIES TO CLEAN UP.
AND I KNOW OUR DPW DOES THAT FUNCTION, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THEY CAN DO AND RESIDENTS PITCHING IN LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A GREAT THING THAT SHE'S DOING.
AND ACTUALLY THAT REMINDS ME OF LIKE THE SNOW ANGEL PROGRAM THAT YOU DO, PAUL, AND WONDER IF WE COULD HAVE LIKE A TRASH ANGEL PROGRAM.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD CLEANUP.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF OUT THERE, A LOT OF GARBAGE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, DPW CANNOT POSSIBLY PICK UP, BUT THERE'S ALSO LIABILITY, LIABILITY ISSUES BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S ON THE ROAD AND UH, THEY CAR HITS THEM OR SOMETHING, RIGHT.
BUT YOU CAN DO CLEANUPS AND WE WOULDN'T WANT KIDS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
BUT LIKE IN SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE CONTAINED, YOU KNOW, WE DO CLEANUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, WE COULD USE, UM, LIKE THE EXPLORERS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME YOUTH PROGRAMS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD TRY THAT.
LET ME GIVE THAT SOME, WE JUST GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL.
SO WHEN YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT, JUST THINK ABOUT RISK AND LIABILITY.
I, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS ON THAT, LANCE MCMILLAN, HE'S THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE STATE, DOT, SAID, WAS WE, HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE ASK THE STATE FOR PERMISSION TO PUT, UH, LITTER CAMERAS AROUND THE TOWN BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, THE LITTERING USUALLY OCCURS PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME AREAS LIKE SAY DOPPS FERRY ROAD, AND YOU KNOW, AND NORWOOD, THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF LITTER AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'D BE A SIGN SAYING, YOU KNOW, SMILE WHEN YOU'RE THROWING OUT GARBAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET A TICKET, YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY WOULD STOP.
UM, AND EVEN ON NORWOOD ROAD, YOU HAVE A LOT OF LITTERING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL NEAR SOME OF THE DELIS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH, UH, PERRY, WHICH LOBBYISTS, MAYBE WE COULD ASK IF, UM, IF THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER YEAH.
LETTING US LOBBY THE STATE TO HAVE LITTER CAMERAS.
I I THINK A LOT OF THE LITTER ACTUALLY COMES FROM THINGS BLOWING OFF OF TRUCKS RATHER THAN A PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY NECESSARILY LITTERING.
IT'S, YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME WHEN IT'S WINDY, THE STUFF JUST BLOWS OFF AND IT'S JUST STUCK THERE.
OR MORE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR TRASH OUT OR WHATEVER BEFORE IT'S PICKED UP.
IT GETS BLOWN ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, NO LITTERING LAWS, BUT RIGHT.
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KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA NECESSARILY SOUND.SOMETIMES WHEN WE DO, LIKE RICH FA WILL SEND DPWA CREWS OUT AND THEN AN HOUR LATER IT'S A MESS AGAIN.
IT'S LIKE VERY, VERY, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE SEEN THEM WORKING MM-HMM
SO, UM, ONTO SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, BEFORE I GET INTO SOME PROPOSED CHANGES, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT IN TOWN OF GREENBURG, APPROXIMATELY 70, 70% OF THE HOUSING THAT WAS BUILT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN THE TOWN BEFORE 1970.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT PRE 1970 AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S JUST NOT A CONCEPT REALLY AT ALL.
UM, DESPITE THAT, AND THAT'S NATIONWIDE.
UM, DESPITE THAT FACT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, ROUGHLY 4.5% OF THE HOUSING STOCK HERE IS DEDICATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHEN I INDICATE DEDICATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MANDATES, WHETHER IT'S IN PUBLIC HOUSING THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY, UM, THOSE DEVELOPERS LIKE WEST TAB, WHICH ARE FULLY A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE OR BY THE SET ASIDE UNITS THAT THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVE.
UM, THINK PROJECTS LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING UP ON TAXTER ROAD, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE, I BELIEVE CLOSE TO 60 UNITS.
SO THOSE ARE DEDICATED AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN TOTAL CLOSE TO 800 UNITS IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG DEDICATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THAT 4.5% WHILE, SO, AND THAT COMES OUT TO 4.5%? YES.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT STARTING IN 1970, YEAH, YOU'RE STARTING ZERO.
AND THAT'S BEEN CREATED BEFORE THAT TIME PERIOD.
70% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IS BILL.
SO IT'S QUITE REMARKABLE THAT WHETHER IT'S SCATTER SITE HOUSING OR THE LEGISLATION OF THE TOWN BOARD WAS VERY EARLY ON IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND NEW YORK STATE, UM, PROVING THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING SET ASIDE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAS, UM, GOOD LEGACY IN THAT REGARD.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT, BUT I'LL JUST BE CURIOUS, WHERE DO WE MEASURE AROUND WESTCHESTER COUNTY? ARE WE LIKE TOP ONE, TOP FIVE, TOP THREE? SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT 4.5% I FEEL LIKE IS A REMARKABLE NUMBER.
AND I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SEE ARE AT, YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND OUT FROM THE COUNTY WHEN THEY DID THEIR HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THEY MIGHT HAVE FACTORED THAT IN, KNOW SOME PEOPLE AT THE COUNTY, THERE'RE ALL 4.5% OR MORE, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN, LIKE, SOME, BUT I, I, I DO THINK I, I I, IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY WE ARE IN THE UPPER ECHELON OF, OF, OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERCENTAGE BY UNIT.
BUT WOULDN'T LIKE, ARE YOU NO, GO AHEAD.
WHEN, UH, LIKE THE CITIES, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY HAVE A HIGHER, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, SAY IN MOUNT VERNON OR YONKERS, I WOULD ASSUME POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY.
I THINK ABOUT SIZE WISE THOUGH, BUT DEMOGRAPHICS PERCENTAGE WISE COMPARED RIGHT.
BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK, UM, GREENBERG HAS MUCH TO BE PROUD OF IN THAT REGARD.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE 10% IS LIKE THE NUMBER A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES SORT OF SHOOT FOR.
RULE OF THUMB TYPE OF NUMBER MM-HMM
UM, SOME PLACES CAN GET AWAY WITH 15, 20% WHEN YOU, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE RIVERFRONT PROPERTY IN NEW YORK CITY THAT THE PENTHOUSE IS GONNA SELL FOR, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT REALLY DOES ALLOW YOU TO DO A LOT WITH, UM, SUBSIDIZING THOSE UNITS THAT ARE RENTED AT A SUBSIDIZED AFFORDABLE RATE MM-HMM
UM, BUT THE, THE, THE THOUGHT IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANOMALIES LIKE THAT, IF YOU GO TOO HIGH OF A PERCENT, YOU COULD ACTUALLY RESTRICT THE MARKET WHERE, TO THE POINT WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T BECOME ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
IF YOU WERE TO TRY AND ASPIRE TO SAY 20 OR 30% IN THE WRONG MARKET, YOU MIGHT STYMIE ALL DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
AND YEAH, LET'S PUT THAT IN, IN REAL SPEAK THAT WE'RE A MARKET ECONOMY AND DEVELOPERS, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF DEVELOPERS WHO, UM, WHO SPECIALIZE IN, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT TAKES THE MUNICIPALITY TO COOPERATE ON THAT.
BUT IF IT'S BE, IF WE'RE WE ARE ASKING TOO HIGH A PERCENTAGE, THEN IT'S POTENTIALLY A REAL DISINCENTIVE BECAUSE THOSE DEVELOPERS CAN'T MAKE ANY PROFIT.
THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT LESSER PROFIT THAN STANDARD HOUSING.
IS THAT CORRECT? BUT, UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY A FACTOR.
SO WITH REGARDS TO, UM, THE 10% SET ASIDE THAT WE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME GAPS, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
THE TOWN BOARD, IN FACT HAS ASKED ME TO PRESENT BEFORE ON THIS.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT
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WAS, BUT PERHAPS IT WAS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A YEAR AGO.BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'VE ABSOLUTELY BEEN THINKING ABOUT EXTENDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SET ASIDE TO THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS ALONG WITH THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
THIS WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE GREENBURG AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM HOUSING REPORT AS A HIGH PRIORITY POLICY.
SO WHAT I'VE SHARED ON THE SCREEN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND COUNCILMAN SHEEN, OF COURSE, AND I WILL EMAIL THIS OUT SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE IT, IS I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A GREAT WORKING DRAFT THAT ACHIEVES A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING BRINGS THE 10% SET ASIDE TO THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS AS A DRAFT.
IT BRINGS IT TO THE PLAN UNIT, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, IT OVERHAULS THE DEFINITIONS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M GONNA GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND IT ALSO, WE ADD A M 30 DISTRICT, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON JUST A BIT, AND WE ALSO, UM, LET, LET ME JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT, THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE CRUX OF, OF WHAT THIS, THIS, THIS LOCAL LAW SEEKS TO ACHIEVE.
UH, SO HAVING SAID THAT, ON THE SCREEN I HAVE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU, WHICH IS THIS DOCUMENT, AND IN THE RED YOU SEE THE UPDATES AND THE UNDERLYING RED IS THE UPDATED LANGUAGE.
SO I DID INDICATE THAT THERE, THERE'S THE PROSPECT OF ADDING THIS M 30 DISTRICT.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL TOUCH ON IN A BIT.
BUT I DO WANNA START WITH THE DEFINITIONS.
IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE HAVE TWO DEFINITIONS THAT I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF, BUT FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS A WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, TERMINOLOGY.
THOSE ARE DEFINED TERMS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND IN SHORT, THEY SET THE STANDARDS FOR WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE.
AND I WOULD BEST DESCRIBE IT AS THEY SET INCOME CRITERIA THAT MAKES YOU QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AKA 80%, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
AND THEY ALSO SET THE PARAMETERS FOR ONCE YOU MAKE THAT QUALIFICATION AND ARE ELIGIBLE AT THAT AREA, MEDIAN INCOME LEVEL, UP TO 80% OF THE COUNTY, UH, AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
WHAT IT THEN GOES ON TO SAYING THE DEFINITION IS THAT WHATEVER YOUR INCOME IS AT THAT POINT, YOU SHALL NOT SPEND MORE THAN 30% OF THAT INCOME ON YOUR HOUSING NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S RENTAL OR HOUSING COSTS.
SO THAT'S THE FORMULA TO HOW YOU QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHETHER IT'S WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE AND THE AMOUNT THAT YOU RENT.
SO, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THIS.
UM, YOU HAVE WHAT REMAINS IS THE PUBLIC HOUSING DEFINITION THAT'S NOT CHANGED, THAT'S NOT CHANGING.
SO, RIGHT, BUT WAIT, WAIT, BEFORE I SAY THAT, SORRY.
BUT THEN THERE'S, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEFINITION WAS REMOVED, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE ARE THREE WORKFORCE HOUSING YES.
DEFINITIONS, BUT NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEFINITION.
WHICH WILL BE EXPLAINED MOMENTARILY.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE OVERHAUL.
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, BOTH CA BOTH CAP AT 80% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
SEEKING TO ELIMINATE BOTH THOSE TERMS AND REPLACE THEM WITH THREE NEW TERMS IDENTIFIED AS WORKFORCE ONE, WORKFORCE TWO.
SO ELIMINATE WHOLESALE THIS TERMINOLOGY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
GENERALLY ELIMINATE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND REPLACE IT WITH THESE THREE TERMINOLOGIES THAT I JUST IDENTIFIED.
WORKFORCE ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND THAT'S LIKE STANDARD PRACTICE OR THIS YOUR OWN NO, THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, OUR OWN, THIS IS CUSTOMIZED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF GREENBURG, REALLY BE INNOVATIVE AND BE OKAY.
AND, AND TO, I THINK YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT YOU WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
I'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY PRESENTED THIS TO THE COUNTY, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'VE BEEN FAVORABLE.
UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CUSTOMARY IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AND WHAT'S I FEEL INNOVATIVE ABOUT THESE THREE TIERS OF DEFINITION IS BOTH AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE IS PREVIOUSLY DEFINED, BOTH CAP TO 80.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM WAS THERE WAS NO LOW END CAP WORKFORCE HAD A 30% LOW END CAP.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAD NO LOW END CAP.
THIS REDEFINITION, IF YOU WILL, WORKFORCE ONE, TWO, AND THREE ASSIGNS, UH, A CAP OF 80, 70 AND 60% A MI RESPECTIVELY.
SO WORKFORCE ONE CAPPING AT 80% A MI WORKFORCE, TWO CAPPING AT 70%.
AND THIS IS, THESE ARE NOT TO EXCEED NUMBERS, 70% A MI AREA MEDIAN INCOME WORKFORCE HOUSING THREE, UM, NOT TO EXCEED 60%.
SO WHAT THAT TRANSLATES TO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, IT SETS NEW TIERS.
SO WE'RE, IF LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY IN A HUNDRED UNIT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, 10% OF THOSE UNITS NEED TO BE RENTED
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AT A REDUCED RATE.SO TYPICALLY THE WAY GREENBURG PREVIOUSLY DID IT AND AND DOES IT NOW, IS 10 OF THOSE UNITS OUT OF THE A HUNDRED WOULD HAVE TO BE RENTED AT UP TO AN 80% CAP A MI.
SO REALLY THERE'S NO DISINCENTIVE FOR A DEVELOPER TO TRY AND ASPIRE RIGHT UP TO 80, ALL 10.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD DO IS SAY IF I WAS A HOUSING DEVELOPER, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ASSIGNS WORKFORCE HOUSING ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
SO IT WOULD BREAK UP THOSE 10 UNITS.
AND WE HAVE FORMULAS FOR THAT, AND THAT CREATES MORE AFFORDABILITY.
I CAN GET A LITTLE BIT INTO THAT, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, YOU'RE SPLITTING THESE UNITS UP.
SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT HYPOTHETICAL A HUNDRED UNIT BUILDING, YOU'RE STILL GETTING 10% AT REDUCED RATE, BUT NOW YOU'RE HITTING LOWER TIERS IN A GREATER RANGE OF AFFORDABILITY.
SO IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM, LET'S SAY, UH, THREE, THREE AND FOUR, SO YOU'D HAVE THREE WORKFORCE, ONE, THREE WORKFORCE, TWO AND, AND FOUR WORKFORCE THREE.
UM, AS IT TURNS OUT, THE FORMULA IS SUCH THAT ONCE YOU'RE OVER FOUR OR MORE UNITS, IT'S A BLENDED AVERAGE OF, UH, WORKFORCE TOO.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF BLEND THE AVERAGE, IF YOU WILL.
SO WHAT THIS REALLY DOES IS IF, IF, IF AFFECTED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD IN THAT A HUNDRED UNIT BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE UNITS FOR 10 FAMILIES THAT ARE OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE PROVIDED FOR.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE INNOVATION AND THE ASPIRATION IN TERMS OF GREATER AFFORDABILITY COMES IN.
UM, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES.
UM, OF COURSE, THE TOUGHEST STUFF, UM, A MI AT 60% IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS STILL VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
SO IS THERE NO PROVISION FOR 40% A MI? SO I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT.
UM, PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE CONCERNS THAT IT MAY NOT HIT THE PRO FORMA OF A DEVELOPER IF IT WAS SKEWED AT THAT LOW RATE.
TYPICALLY, UM, THAT RANGE OF AFFORDABILITY, 40%, LET'S SAY, IS REALLY PICKED UP BY THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE ABLE TO LEVERAGE, UH, SUBSIDIES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OR LOW INCOME HOUSING CREDITS TO THE POINT WHERE THE WHOLE BUILDING IS A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO SEE IN THE FORTIES, IF YOU WILL.
BUT, UM, WHEN WE CAP 60, THAT MEANS NOW YOU'RE HITTING SOME FIFTIES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU'RE GONNA FIND A FAMILY THAT'S SAY, HITS 58% OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT PROBABLY.
BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER RIGHT NOW WE ARE LIKE MOST OTHER COMMUNITIES IN WESTCHESTER, EVERYONE'S 80 SOME SAY DEFINE WORKFORCE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY COMMUNITY IN WESTCHESTER WOULD BE HITTING, YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRESSIVE, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF, UH, RANGES OF VULNERABILITY.
UM, NOT TO SAY THAT I CAN'T THINK MORE ABOUT YOUR QUESTION AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING.
WELL, THAT CLARIFICATION IS VERY IMPORTANT AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT AGAIN, DEVOLVES TO THE DEVELOPERS, SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, SUSTAIN AND HOW THEY CAN SUSTAIN IT.
AND SO, SO CAN, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF 12%.
WHAT HAPPENED TO, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SET ASIDE PERCENTAGE, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT 10%, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 12%.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, WE CAN.
UM, PART OF THE BALANCE IN STAYING AT 10 IS HITTING THE LOWER TIERS OF AFFORDABILITY.
ALSO WITH THE 12%, WHEN YOU REALLY GET INTO UPDATING THE CODE AND YOU START RUNNING NUMBERS, WHAT DOES 12% MEAN ON 10 UNITS? RIGHT.
YOU NOT GONNA BUILD 1.2 MM-HMM
SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD COME UP WITH FORMULAS.
WHEN DOES 12% REALLY HAVE IMPACT IN A HUNDRED UNIT BUILDING? IT'S TWO EXTRA UNITS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN'T GO THAT ROUTE.
I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE, BUT MM-HMM
BUT AT LEAST AS FAR AS, UH, THE, THE ROUNDUP METHODS THAT I HAVE, I DO HAVE ROUNDUP METHODS.
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE 17 UNITS? MM-HMM
DO YOU DO 16 MARKET RATE AND ONE AFFORDABLE, OR DO YOU DO TWO ON 17? WE HAVE A ROUNDUP.
SO THAT 17 UNIT BUILDING'S GONNA COME OUT MORE THAN 12%.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF BALANCE.
UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I NUANCED IT, BUT, UH, I'M NOT AND LESS ATTRACTIVE FOR A DEVELOPER.
I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE.
SO WE WHATEVER, WHATEVER BEST BENEFIT THAT WE CAN GET MM-HMM
THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, WE TOLD ABOUT, YEAH, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING TO PUSH, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE IDEA AS THE AFFORDABILITY REALM AS WE CAN, BUT
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I, I, I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPERS OUT THERE THAT ARE REALLY LOOKING TO DO AFFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I KNOW THERE HAS TO INTO COUNCILMAN COUNCIL WOMAN'S, UM, COMMENT ON MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE SUSTAINABLE.BUT THERE ARE DEVELOPERS OUT THERE THAT ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT.
BUT THE MOST THAT WE CAN GET FOR RESIDENTS IN, IN THE TOWN, THAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL.
BY ALL MEANS, THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE DENSITY BONUS PROVISION THAT WAS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE CODE WHEN YOU HIT 20% OR MORE GOES AWAY.
THE QUESTION I HAVE, UM, FOR PEOPLE WATCHING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30% OF INCOME OR 50% OR 40%.
COULD YOU TRANSLATE THAT AND GIVE US, GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH INCOME, PICK AN INCOME AND GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
AND ALSO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, SAY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE? I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A COUNTY LEGISLATOR, ERNIE DAVIS AT AFFORDABLE AFFORDABILITY IS, UH, WHATEVER YOU COULD AFFORD.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, WE ALL SAY AFFORDABILITY, BUT RIGHT.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT $200,000 HOMES? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN RENTALS, UH, SHAME ON ME FOR COMING TO SPEAK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT HAVING THE, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
NO, I'M JUST AT THE TOP, AT THE TIP OF MY TONGUE.
I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF 120,000 IS A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI AND IF THAT'S CLOSE, UH, 80% FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ESSENTIALLY PUT, UH, THE REQUIREMENT CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR SAY, IF A RENTAL UNIT? SO MEANING YES, I, IT IT DEPENDS ON HOUSEHOLD SIZE AS WELL.
HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A FOUR HOUSEHOLD? THE HANDY, OH, IF IT HAS THIS ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY, GREAT TEAMWORK
AND THAT'S THE RIGHT YEAR FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO AT 80% A MI TO QUALIFY A FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD COULD NOT EXCEED $124,000.
SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE 123,000, YOU QUALIFY FOR THAT UNIT.
YOU THEN TAKE THAT $123,000 INCOME AND YOU ENSURE YOU RUN THE, THE, THE, THE METRIC THAT SAYS THAT YOUR HOUSING COSTS DO NOT EXCEED ONE THIRD OF THAT.
SO, UH, I'VE SEEN IN GENERAL RENTAL UNITS MARKET RATE, LET'S SAY 3,300.
HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE? THAT RENTAL UNIT COULD BE $2,400 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU SEE.
AND ALSO STUDIO 1700, THINGS LIKE THAT, WORTH NOTING THAT THE, THE HOUSING AVERAGES GO UP AND DOWN.
THEY GENERALLY GO UP, BUT THEY DID INCREASE A GREAT DEAL DUE TO COVID AND I, I THINK THERE'S SOME LEVELING OFF NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT I, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO CHECK ME ON THAT.
EVERY YEAR THEY CHANGE ANNUAL A LOT.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS THAT I, I MAY HAVE LEFT OUT, THE 80, 70, 60 METRIC IS ALL FOR RENTAL, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE BUILT IN, IN THE COUNTY.
AND WHAT, WHAT COULD BE COMING ONLINE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IN THE FUTURE, THE 80, SORRY, 80% FOR, FOR SALE UNITS.
SO, UM, EVERYTHING THAT, WHEN I SAY THESE, THESE, THESE TIERS, UH, WOULD ALL BE FOR RENTAL.
NOW HAVING SAID THAT, UM, THAT WOULD APPLY AS TO EVERYTHING WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW.
IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF THE GAP ONE ONE, FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND THE PLAN UNIT, WHAT I HAVE ON THIS SCREEN NOW IS THE DRAFT THAT SHOWS IT EXTENDING TO THAT.
SO, UM, SECTION 2 85 41 USED TO SAY SUPPLEMENT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON.
UM, I DIDN'T NOTICE IN YOUR DEFINITIONS A MINIMUM INCOME THAT, SO HOW DO YOU ADDRESS SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT WORKING AND WORKED FOR HOUSING? I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE A LOW END CAP OF 30, BUT I MAY HAVE FAILED TO DO THAT.
UM, WELL, THERE'S NOT EXCEED 30%.
SO YOU'RE 30% IS THE SET INCOME.
SO, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE SAYING? UH, SO ONE COULD OPT TO, TO, TO FULFILL, LET'S SAY A WORKFORCE THREE HOUSING REQUIREMENT THAT SHALL NOT EXCEED
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60% A MI THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT RENTAL UNIT FROM BEING RENTED OUT TO SOMEONE.UM, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THAT'S NOT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
UM, COUNCILMAN SHA, COULD YOU? HE DOES NOT.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? ALRIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY HAS NO INCOME.
IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR WORKFORCE THREE CONCEIVABLY.
THEY WOULD, BUT I SUSPECT THERE WOULD BE CANDIDATES THAT, UM, HAVE INCOME CLOSE OR UP TO THE, THE, THE ESTABLISHED LIMIT OF THIS CODE.
I JUST DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO BE CALLED WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IS THAT USUALLY THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE FOR PEOPLE THAT DEFINITELY HAVE INCOME, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, VERSUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO TAKING OUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CHARACTERIZE SOME WHO'S NOT WORKING AS BEING IN THE WORKFORCE.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART.
WHAT I WOULD DO IS ACTUALLY BRING BACK THE, THE LOW END CAP AT 30%.
THAT'S, UH, AND I'D USE, I'D RECOMMEND PUTTING IN SIMILAR LANGUAGE INTO EACH OF THESE DEFINITIONS.
I I AGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT.
JUST REALLY QUICKLY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT EACH AND EACH PARENT OR EACH PERSON, NOT, NOT CHILDREN, NOT CHILD, HAS TO WORK, HAS TO WORK LIKE BOTH PA BOTH ADULTS ARE PROBABLY BEST LIPSTICK.
THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR.
I WANNA, 'CAUSE IF, 'CAUSE WHAT IF I, HOW, SO THIS IS ALL HOUSEHOLD? NO.
COULD BE ONE OF FOUR WORKING HOUSE.
IT'S NOT, BOTH COULD, IT'S NOT.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.
IT IS NOT SPECIFY AS LONG, AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMEONE WORKING IN THE HOUSE.
SO I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS REINTRODUCE THE 30%, UH, LOW END CAP THAT, THAT'S PRESENTLY IN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEFINITION IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
UM, JUST, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THOSE THAT DON'T.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T MEET WORKFORCE HOUSING STANDARDS IN TERMS OF INCOME OR SOME OTHER METRIC LIKE, UH, AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, FOR EXAMPLE.
LIKE AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? NO.
WHY DON'T WE JUST, YOU KNOW, I, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE WEEDS HERE.
WE JUST SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE, UH, INTRODUCING YOU.
YOU SAID TO ME EARLIER TODAY THAT, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE TIGHTENING UP, UM, THIS BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE SPRING.
SO WE'RE, SO THIS IS GONNA TAKE, THEN IT HAS TO BE REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THERE'S STILL GONNA BE, THIS IS REALLY LIKE A WORK IN PROGRESS, A WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND IT'S A PRELIMINARY INTRODUCTION TO IT.
IT IS JUST A COUPLE OTHER HIGHLIGHTS THAT I, I I'M HEARING YOU.
BUT I THINK THAT'S, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SAME TOPIC THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, WE HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKING AT INCREASING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY AND SO FORTH.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE AND HASN'T BEEN THE CASE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THIS, THIS OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T GET THROWN TOGETHER IN THE LAST MONTH.
UM, GARRETT AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND, YOU KNOW, FINESSING IT.
AND IT STILL NEEDS TWEAKING, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, BUT HE'S CONFIDENT THAT BY MARCH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST MATERIALIZED.
THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS, UH, FOR MOST OF THE YEAR.
AND I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS JUST TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN UPDATE.
UM, SO PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT NOTHING WAS BEING DONE WILL BE REASSURED THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING MM-HMM
NOT JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
AND, AND I DO WANNA COMMEND THE COMMISSIONER FOR PUTTING IN A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT RE AND RESEARCH TO DEVELOPING THIS.
AND, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GIVING US AN INTRODUCTION TO IT NOW.
THE ONLY OTHER, IT'S GREAT THAT HE HAS HAD NOTHING ELSE BUT TO
THE ONLY OTHER THINGS I'D LIKE TO NOTE THERE IS SOME SYNERGY HERE WITH, UH, THE, UH, AFFORDABLE, I'M SORRY, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN TERMS OF, UM, THE 10% REQUIREMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
SO, UM, I WILL BE PRESENTING THAT ELEMENT OF, OF, OF THE CODE TOMORROW AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I WILL ADAPT THIS DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
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THIS, THIS DOES GO ON TO, UH, INTRODUCE THE 10% SET ASIDE FOR THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND DISTRICTS AND THE PUDS.THE ONLY, THE LAST THING I WANT TO NOTE IS ANOTHER REASON I HAVEN'T BROUGHT THIS IN A FORMAL WAY TO THE TOWN BOARD SOONER, BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN SHEHAN HAS NOTED, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS A WHILE, UM, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT OVERHAUL THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON TO CHAPTER 2 85 AS A WHOLE.
EVERYTHING THAT I TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IS HOUSED WITHIN 2 85.
MY ULTIMATE GOAL, NO PROBLEM, IF YOU WILL, IS TO BRING THIS ENVELOPED IN THE OVERALL CHAPTER 2 85 UPDATES.
AND JUST TO GIVE A SNEAK PEEK, THE 2 85 UPDATES DO A LOT OF THINGS.
THEY DO THINGS LIKE OVERHAUL OUR RESTAURANT, FAST FOOD DEFINITIONS, FORMALIZE LAND BANK PARKING SPACES, ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES.
WE MAY HAVE 10 TO 15 SECTIONS WHERE WE REPEAT THE SAME PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES.
WE'RE LOOKING TO STREET, UH, BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THAT FASHION.
BRINGING IN SUSTAINABILITY EL ELEMENTS INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, UPDATING SITE PLAN STANDARDS, UPDATING SPECIAL, UM, PERMIT AND PERMITTED USES TO MINIMIZE VACANCIES ACROSS, UH, SEVERAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND A WHOLE LOT MORE.
SO, UM, MY GOAL IS THAT'S WELL IN THE WORKS ALSO.
SO THE GOAL IN MARCH IS TO BRING THIS TO THE TABLE ALONG WITH THAT.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG PRESENTATION.
YOU WANT TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED HOUSING OR NOT? YES, I CAN.
SO BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GO THERE REALLY QUICKLY, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU, WE WERE OVERHAULING PART, PART OF WHAT'S ALWAYS COMES UP IN THESE DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE GO TO THE RIBBON CUTTINGS AND WE DO TO THE, UM, NEW BUSINESSES THAT'S COME INTO THE TOWN, BECAUSE GREENBURG DOES NOT HAVE A PO BOX.
PEOPLE JUST ASSUME THAT WE ARE IN WHITE PLAINS.
I WON'T GO THERE, ELLEN, OR ANY OTHER
BUT, BUT, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WOULD THAT, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, WOULD THAT FALL INTO THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE COME AND WANT TO COME AND DO BUSINESS IN GREENBURG, THEY THEY REALLY REPRESENT GREENBURG.
LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, RAY LEXUS OF WHITE PLAINS, THAT WHOLE STREET.
I THINK I GOT THE WRONG NAME, SO I APOLOGIZE.
WHO DO, WHO'S DOING MAZDA THE PREMIER GROUP.
I THINK IT'S THE PREMIER GROUP, BUT IT SAYS OF WHITE PLAINS UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY MOVE FROM WHITE PLAINS AND THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO KEEP THEIR BRAND, THEIR BRANDING.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE A NEW STORE THAT JUST CAME UP, I WON'T SAY THE NAME, UM, WHICH I MADE A POINT OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY PUT A BEAUTIFUL MURAL UP, BUT IT SAYS WHITE PLAINS AND IT DOESN'T SAY GREENBURG.
SO THEY HAVE AGREED, UM, THAT THEY ARE COMING IN AND THEY HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN THAT'S CHANGING THAT.
BUT I THINK WHEN WE START DOING THESE INSPECTIONS AND STUFF, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE IN GREENBURG.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, AND SERIOUSLY, JUST AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN HASTINGS OR WHEN YOU'RE IN DOBS FERRY OR IN WHITE PLAINS, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR WHITE KNOW WHITE PLAINS, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE SHOPPING.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UM, WE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE NEWLY ELECTED, UH, CONGRESSMAN, UM, COMING OUTTA WHITE PLAINS ELECT, RIGHT.
CONGRESSMAN THAT DIDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK WE MISS THE MARK WHEN WE DON'T DISPLAY WHERE WE TRULY ARE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT BUSINESSES HERE IN FAIRVIEW, BUT YOU WON'T KNOW WE'RE IN FAIRVIEW.
'CAUSE YOU ONLY THINK THEY'RE IN WHITE PLAINS.
SO THAT KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM THAT.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT AND WE COULD PUT SOMETHING REQUIRING BUSINESSES, IF THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THEY ARE, THEY ARE.
IT SAYS IT'S GINA JACKSON OF GREENBURG.
I THINK THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS TO DO THAT.
TEAM OF MINE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REGENERON OF TAR TOWN, BUT IT'S NOT IN TAR TOWN AS A TAR TOWN POST OFFICE.
UH, TESLA OF WHITE PLAINS, WHICH IS ON ONE 19.
AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING ALONG.
THEY THINK THEY'RE NOW IN WHITE PLAINS AND THEY'RE NOT IN GREENBURG.
UH, THERE'S SO MANY, THERE'S MANY EXAMPLES OF THAT.
UM, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A WAY OF ADDRESSING THAT.
BUT BECAUSE ALSO THIS, I KNOW IT'S THE POST OFFICE, THEY CAN PUT THE POST OFFICE UNDERNEATH THE NAME IF THEY WANTED TO.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO THE, TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC AS TO WHAT MISSPELLED IRAN WHEN PEOPLE WOULD, BECAUSE CAR DEALERSHIP ACTUALLY IN ELSWORTH, WHICH SAYS THE DEALERSHIP OF WHITE.
OH, YOU WERE GONNA MENTION, I GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
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UM, DOING RESEARCH EVER SINCE I, I SAW YOUR REQUEST.UH, JUST A CO ACCORDING TO THE CENTERS FOR D DISEASE CONTROL, NEARLY 7.4 AMERICANS HAVE AN INTELLECTUAL OR DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED ABILITY DISABILITY, UM, OR IDDS.
THESE INCLUDE PERSONS WITH AUTISM DOWN SYNDROME, CEREBRAL PALSY HEARING OR SITE IMPAIRMENT AS EXAMPLES.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S OPTIONS FOR HOUSING SUCH AS GROUP HOMES, LARGER INSTITUTIONS, BUT, UM, DISABILITY JUSTICE ADVOCATES ARE REALLY PUSHING FOR INTEGRATED HOUSING THAT, THAT HAS A MIX OF, OF, OF, OF HOUSING FOR THOSE WITH THESE NEEDS AND THOSE THAT DON'T.
AND I THINK IN ESSENCE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CAN WE INTRODUCE SOME OF THAT, UH, CONCEPT INTO GREENBERG? SO, UM, PHILOSOPHICALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PHILOSOPHY AND, AND WE'RE GONNA THINK MORE ABOUT THIS.
AND ALSO OF NOTE, UM, AS I'M DOING RESEARCH, OF COURSE I THINK, I BELIEVE YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ACCESS RAMPS GRAB BARS.
THERE, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT, UH, ELEMENTS THAT CAN BE BROUGHT INTO DESIGN.
AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS I REALLY NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH, UH, TO SEE, UH, HOW MEANINGFULLY HOW WE CAN MEANINGFULLY, UM, WORK THIS INTO EITHER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WORK WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT I I DO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR HOUSING WITH, UH, FEDERAL ASSISTANCE, THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT, THAT THEY UTILIZE AND THEY'RE MANDATED TO UTILIZE FOR SOME UNITS, WHICH ARE OVER AND ABOVE THE TYPICAL BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.
SO I, I DO THINK WE'RE GONNA GONNA FIND INTERNATIONAL DESIGN.
I HAD A QUESTION, UH, RELATING TO THAT UNIFORM FEDERAL ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS, YOU A S IS, IS WHAT THERE'S A MANDATE ON CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS.
YEAH, I'M, I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO SAY WESTCHESTER DISABLED ON THE MOVE MM-HMM
THE COUNTY OFFICE OF, UH, THE DIS DISABLED.
AND, UM, AND ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD HELP US, UM, YOU KNOW, DRIFT LIKE MODEL, YOU KNOW, MODEL LEGISLATION.
BECAUSE THIS IS SORT OF LIKE COMPLICATED BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING OF THIS YESTERDAY, IF WE HAVE SAY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE DEVELOPMENTALLY, YOU KNOW, DISABLED, IS IT GONNA BE A GROUP HOME? YOU KNOW, DO THEY, DO PEOPLE NEED, THAT'S A LEVEL OF SUPERVISION? UM, IT VARIES.
ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPOKE TO ROCHELLE STOLZENBERG YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, I SORT OF THINKING THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME, YEAH, THAT'S, I THINKING THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK FUNCTION.
HAVE YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO GARRETT? WHAT YOUR, YOUR VISION OF THAT IS? YEAH.
WHAT I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BE APPROVING, SAY, A NEW ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER, LIKE ONE OR TWO BED ROOMS SHOULD BE, UM, GIVEN TO A DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED EMPLOYEE.
BECAUSE I THINK IT COULD BE A, BECAUSE THEY COULD, COULD HELP SERVICE THE ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITY.
UM, SO IT'D BE LIKE A, ALMOST A VOCATIONAL AS WELL AS A RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ADULTS WITH, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEAS ARE REALLY GOOD AND, AND HAVING THE COMMISSIONER DEVELOP SOMETHING.
AND THEN ONCE HE'S DEVELOPED SOMETHING WITHIN THE GREENBERG CODES, BECAUSE THE, THE, UM, DISABLED ON THE MOVE DOESN'T NECESSARILY KNOW CHAPTER IN VERSE GREENBERG.
SO LET, IF, IF HE CAN DO SOMETHING, AND THEN ONCE HE'S EV UH, EVALUATED AND COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF PLAN TO CONSULT WITH THEM AND HAVE THEM COMMENT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M ALMOST THINKING THAT IT WOULD'VE MADE SENSE, LIKE FOR THEM TO HELP COME UP WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT WE WANT.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE, IF YOU THAT'S GOOD POINT.
YOU DON'T KNOW SOMEBODY WHO'S DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED, YOU'RE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND ALL THE YEAH, NO, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS THINKING WITH ASSISTED LIVING, WHILE REALLY I LOVE THE CONCEPT IS, YOU KNOW, AND MOST OF, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN ASSISTED LIVING, THEY DON'T GET, HAVE VISITORS SHOWING UP AT THEIR, UH, A LOT OF THE DEVELOP HIGHER FUNCTIONING DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED, UM, EMPLOYEES.
THEY ARE SO FRIENDLY, THEY UPBEAT, THEY APPRECIATE THEIR JOBS.
AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT NO MATTER WHAT JOBS THEY WOULD BE GIVEN, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A COOK OR, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEANING, THEY'LL BECOME FRIENDS OF THE SENIOR CITIZENS.
NOT BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A JOB AND THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO SPEND THEIR FREE TIME JUST CHATTING WITH AN ELDERLY PERSON, SOMEBODY WHO REALLY IS PROUD OF THEIR JOB AND SO GRATEFUL THEY'RE GONNA BE AMAZING.
WE, WE HIRED SOMEBODY IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, WHO'S DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED THIS SUMMER.
THAT PERSON'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, KEEPS CALLING ME SAYING IT WAS THE BEST YEAR, MONTHS OF HIS LIFE.
YOU KNOW, HE IS SO APPRECIATIVE MM-HMM
AND, UM, AND SO GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK.
AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF, YEAH, THERE CAN BE A REALLY GOOD SYNERGY LIKE INTERGENERATIONALLY.
AND THEN WITH THE PARTICULAR PROFILE OF, OF, YOU
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KNOW, UM, SOME YOUNG ADULTS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, THEY REALLY IS A, YOU KNOW, WORK WELL WITH SENIORS.AND I JUST KNOW MY OWN FOR MY OWN DAUGHTER, YOU KNOW, SHE, UH, IS GREAT WITH SENIORS AND THEY LOVE HER EXCELLENT.
AND JUST, WE DO HAVE A DIVERSE ARRAY OF HOUSING HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
WE HAVE SEVERAL ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES SO WE CAN REACH OUT TO THESE DIRECTORS.
I HAVE THEM ALL ON SPEED DIAL WITH SOME OF THESE IDEAS.
WE HAVE A NURSING HOME, CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
THERE'S ACTUALLY 11 GROUP HOMES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
WE HAVE SENIOR HOUSING, UH, CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITY THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
THAT'S A HYBRID, UH, ASSISTED LIVING SENIOR HOUSING.
UH, NUMEROUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.
NEW YORK, WE'RE HOME OF THE NEW YORK SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF, AND WE HAVE AN ADULT MM-HMM
DAYCARE FACILITIES THAT OPERATE IN THE TOWN.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ATTRIBUTES.
WE'VE MADE A LOT OF EFFORT, A LOT OF EFFORT HERE IN THE TOWN, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE WE CAN DO AND, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER.
DON'T FORGET TO ORDER THAT CITIZEN.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND RESIDENTS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS THE LAST ITEM THAT RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO SPEAK ON.
AND AT THAT TIME, ANY TOPIC THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
IT'S A FIVE MINUTE, ONE ROUND FOR EACH RESIDENT.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION RECENTLY, PEOPLE COMING UP AND SPEAKING DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH ARE HELD PRIOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND SPEAKING ABOUT ISSUES WHICH ARE NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, THE AGENDA DOES HAVE THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING TOMORROW.
AND WE ASK EACH OF THE RESIDENTS TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY SIGN UP FOR THE CLERK, THEY SIGN UP FOR THE CORRECT PUBLIC HEARING.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BUDGET, SIGN UP FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND SPEAK ABOUT THE BUDGET ONLY.
IF IT'S ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LOFT, THEY COULD PLEASE FOCUS ON THAT ONE ITEM ONLY.
SAME FOR THE LAST ONE, FINMORE SEWER DISTRICT.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY TOPICS THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS BEYOND THOSE THREE ITEMS TO PLEASE SAVE THEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH COMES AFTER ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE CLOSED, UH, WE HAVE A TRANSCRIBER WHO TAKES DETAILED NOTES AND WE JUST DON'T WANT THAT TRANSCRIPTION TO GO ALONG.
IF THE TOPIC AT HAND ISN'T BEING DISCUSSED AND THAT IS AN EX, THAT'S AN EXTRA COST TO THE TOWN.
SO THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL COST.
AND I THINK IT CAN BECOME QUITE FRUSTRATING FOR THAT PERSON IF THERE ARE OTHER TOPICS, UM, BEING INTRODUCED, OR IF THERE ARE PEOPLE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER, IT MAKES THE TRANSCRIPTION MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM AND, UM, LESS LIKELY TO BE CORRECT.
AND ALSO DELAYS THE SUBSEQUENT HEARINGS, UM, BY SOME AMOUNT OF TIME IF, IF THE, THE SPEAKER GOES OFF TOPIC.
COULD I ADD ONE MORE NOTE ON THAT? I WAS JUST WONDERING, PLEASE DO ONE QUICK SUGGESTION.
SO I'LL JUST ASK THE TOWN CLERK.
SO WILL THERE BE DIFFERENT SIGNUP SHEETS FOR EACH TOPIC JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER AND MAKE A GO BY? SO IF THEY WANNA SIGN UP FOR WHATEVER PUBLIC HEARING THEY ARE, THEY KNOW WHICH PUBLIC HEARING THEY'RE SIGNING UP FOR.
UM, I'LL CHANGE IT TOMORROW BECAUSE IT DOES SAY THERE IS A COLUMN FOR PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN THERE'S A COLUMN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WHAT I WILL DO IS, UM, I WILL ACTUALLY QUESTION EACH ONE THAT COMES UP TO SIGN UP MM-HMM
AND ASK THEM WHICH AREA THEY WANNA DISCUSS.
'CAUSE THERE IS A SPACE IN THERE FOR IT.
AND ALSO JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE TOWN BOARD HELD A UNI A UNANIMOUS VOTE LAST WEEK TO SUSPEND THE RULES.
AND FOR THE HEARING ON THE BUDGET ONLY, THERE'S A 10 MINUTE PERIOD PER ROUND.
SO INSTEAD OF THE CLOCK SAYING FIVE MINUTES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROOM, I'LL SAY 10 MINUTES.
UM, FOR BOLT, SINCE IT'S CLOSING TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE, UH, EXCUSE ME, SINCE IT'S CLOSING, UM, THERE WILL BE TWO ROUNDS.
UM, 'CAUSE OF THE COMBINED YES.
REMEMBERING THIS DISCUSSION FROM LAST NIGHT, AND IT CAN BE ANY MIX.
BUT FOR U AND FOR FINMORE SEWER DISTRICT, THE RULES WERE NOT SUSPENDED.
JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO WHEN WE ARE DOING THE HEARING FOR THE BUDGET, SET THE CLOCK FOR 10 MINUTES.
UNFORTUNATELY, TB TWO, UH, STILL NOT FINISHED.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THAT IS MOVED.
I DON'T SEE THAT BEING FINISHED BY THE 1216 MEETING, SO IF THAT COULD BE MOVED TO JANUARY, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
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I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT.SO THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY, UM, IS STAYING WITH THE ATTACH, THE MODIFIED ATTACHMENT IS THAT WE HAVE MADE, WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND AGREED ON MAYBE TWO ITEMS, BUT THERE ARE STILL ABOUT FOUR ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT ARE NOT YET RESOLVED.
AND IT, IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A VOTE BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINES.
DO YOU WANNA GIVE, UH, PEOPLE JUST A VERY QUICK, UH, SUMMARY OF THE CONTRACT OF THE TEAMSTERS, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG THING, JUST LIKE THE HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, I DO NOT HAVE THAT PREPARED RIGHT NOW.
I CAN GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT TOMORROW BEFORE IT'S VOTED ON.
I, I BELIEVE IT WAS POSTED ALSO, UM, TO THE WEBSITE.
ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, THE, THIS TERM IT TECHNICALLY HAD EXPIRED ALREADY, SO IT IS RETROACTIVE AND ALSO FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL.
BUT I COULD EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES IF I HAVE THAT PUT TOGETHER.
UM, THE PRESENTATIONS, PAUL, YOU WANNA EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL? I, YOUR, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS THOSE BEFORE THEY WENT ON THE AGENDA.
THERE WERE, UM, UH, THE YOUTH SHELTER VOLUNTEERS, THEY HAD, UH, HELPED COL, COLBY, UH, JENKINS.
UM, UH, THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE A GROUP OF, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO'VE HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST, AND NOW THEY'RE GIVING BACK TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY.
UM, MARIA, REGINA, UM, UH, THEY ARE SENIORS WHO PLAYED IN A POWDER PUFF FOOTBALL GAME, AND THEY, UH, RAISED FUNDS FOR, UM, UM, CANCER, YOU KNOW, CANCER CARE AND, UM, SO AREN'T ONE AND TWO THE SAME THING? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I WAS, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT.
UM, SO I GUESS THEY'RE MAKING, SO IT'S REALLY THE SAME THING, ONE PRESENTATION.
SO CAN WE CONSOLIDATE THAT? WE CAN CONSOLIDATE THAT.
AND IF I MAY PRESENTATION, WHICH ONE IS THE YOUTH SHELTER? YEAH.
AND, AND THEY'RE REALLY QUITE AMAZING WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED AND HOW FAR THEY'VE COME.
SO, AND IT'S ALSO NICE MAYOR REGINA OR THE, UM, THE, THE YOUTH SHELTER VOLUNTEERS.
SO CAN WE HAVE SOME MORE? I WASN'T AWARE.
SO CAN WE HAVE SOME MORE LIKE, LANGUAGE OF WHAT EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE? BECAUSE WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS EXACTLY.
I THINK THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY DOING, UH, VOLUNTEER WORK WITH WITH, YEAH.
BUT IT IS JUST WHAT, WHAT, JUST HAVING MORE EXPLANATION IN OUR, SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW.
LEMME ASK, ASK HER WHAT TO WRITE.
SO IS THIS FOR THE FARMER'S MARK? LIKE WHAT DO KNOW THIS, THIS, NO, THIS WAS, NO, THIS IS, UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF FOR, UH, GOSH, I FORGOT.
WHAT INITIATIVE IT WAS, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY DID LIKE A, AN AWFUL LOT, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CALL HER.
ARE YOU GIVING OUT, ARE YOU GIVING OUT CITATIONS OR SOMETHING? YEAH, I THINK, UH, SHE ASKED FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION, NOT PROCLAMATION.
SO IS THAT ONLY COMING FROM YOU OR IS IT GONNA COME FROM THE TOWN BOARD? I COULD SAY, I THINK IT'S FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
IT WAS JUST CERTIFICATES, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT A PROCLAMATION.
BRING IT INTO NO, JUST WASN'T, NO, WE JUST WASN'T AWARE OF IT, SO, OKAY.
UM, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ACTUALLY REVISING, UM, NOT THE FIRST, THIS, THE MOMENT OF THE GENERAL MOMENT OF SILENCE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, MAYBE MORE, UM, INCLUSIVE OF A BROADER, UH, SCOPE.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TALK, WE COULD PINPOINT CERTAIN THINGS.
LIKE WE HAVE TWO THINGS PINPOINTED HERE, AND THEY'RE BOTH EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK THEY'RE MORE, MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISE, WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISE THAT WITH THE TIMES GOING FORWARD, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
OR, OR IF WE COULD JUST, UH, AT THIS POINT DO THE MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW.
NO, WELL, NO, WE CAN, WE CAN, I THINK IT SHOULD, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE INCLUSIVE.
BE MORE GENERAL, MORE INCLUSIVE.
DO YOU WANNA COME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE? YEAH, WE'LL COME UP.
I, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO HAVE BEEN LOSING THEIR LIVES.
COULD MAKE ONE REQUEST, UH, PO FOUR REQUEST THAT, THAT HAVE A NOTATION THAT IT'S TO BE, UH, ADJOURNED TILL THE DECEMBER 16TH MEETING.
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YES.HELD OVER 1216 TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME TO REVIEW THAT CONTRACT.
JOAN LISTENS TO THESE MEETINGS, SO SHE, SHE'LL MAKE THE CHANGES.
OH, WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING, UH, LIKE A PIZZA, UH, PARTY, UH, ON DECEMBER, UH, 19TH.
YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T DO IT ON THE 19TH.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ALSO, UM, UH, THANK JOAN AK FOR HER, UH, YEARS OF, UM, SERVICE TO THE TOWN.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF, I, I, I LOVE JOAN.
JOAN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE LONG SERVICE JUST AS JOAN.
UM, TRACY B BAKER, UM, IS ALSO LEAVING, AND THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON IN PUBLIC WORKS TAKE ROB GRIZZLY, ROB GRIZZLY'S, TO BOTH EMPLOY RICH, RICH MARLEY.
SO WE HAVE A, WE, WE DO HAVE, SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO JUST NOT HIGHLIGHT ALL OUR EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN LONG TENURED HERE, BUT MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT 'EM.
I THINK WE SHOULD THEN HAVE TWO CAKES, QUITE FRANKLY.
I PUT THAT MY, I SAID WE SHOULD MAKE SURE.
SO CAKE, WHETHER A BIG SHEET CAKE, WE DIFFERENT CAKE CAKE OR, OR WE HAVE TWO, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE, WE'LL FIGURE THAT, RECOGNIZE ALL OF OUR LONGSTANDING, IF ONE OF THOSE COULD BE TRACE LAKE CHASE, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WE SHOULD SAY WHAT? LET CHASE CAKE.
BUT, BUT THEN WE SHOULD, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL RETIRE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, ALL THE, UH, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST MAKE THIS A, UH, TRADITION THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AT THE YEAR, PEOPLE GONNA COME BACK AFTER THEY'RE TIRED.
SO, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I'D RATHER, YOU KNOW, JOAN AK HAS BEEN FAITHFULLY MM-HMM
UH, AND VERY DI WITH GREAT DEDICATION, UH, OUR TOWN COUNCIL, UM, UH, AID.
AND, UM, AND I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING TO RECOGNIZE HER FROM US, JUST LIKE ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN PEOPLE RETIRE FROM INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, YOU DO, THAT DEPARTMENT HAS SOME, UH, CAKE OR SOMETHING FOR THEM, OR TAKE THEM OUT TO THERE.
AND JOAN DOESN'T WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED, BUT I THINK, UH, I'M SURE SHE, OH, BUT SHE, SHE'S APPRECIATING THIS CONVERSATION.
PICK THE CAKE THAT SHE LIKES, THE FLAVOR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO YOU A CAKE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT THE TOWN COUNCILS TAKE, SO WE CAN DO THAT CAN COME OUTTA ANYWAY.
SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE NEED TO PUT, I LIKE TO MOVE.
I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT CL CL TWO.
SO DOES IT COST $19,000 TO PRINT ALL THOSE? I'M SORRY, WHAT? CL TWO OH, THE PROGRAMS, ACTIVITIES AND SERVICE GUIDE.
UM, HOW MANY DO WE PRINT? UM, OOH, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD, I WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK BACK OVER THE INVOICE.
UM, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I'VE DONE SINCE COMING INTO THIS POSITION, EVERYONE THAT COMES INTO THE TOWN CLERK OFFICE NOW GETS THAT BOOK GREAT.
ALONG WITH ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE GIVE OUT.
SO IF THEY'RE COMING IN, LICENSED HUNTING, FISHING, MARRIAGE, ANYTHING, THEY'RE WALKING OUT WITH THAT INFORMATION RESOURCE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST SITTING AROUND MM-HMM
DO YOU, SOMEBODY ASKED ME A FEW DAYS AGO, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, OF THOSE HISTORY OF GREENBERG BOOKS THAT WERE DONE LIKE 30 YEARS AGO? HAVE ONE? YES.
I I GAVE THEM GREENBERG GLIMPSE OF ITS PAST.
I, I, I DO HAVE THEM IN THE VAULT.
AND, AND I COULDA SWO, I GAVE THAT TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER.
THERE WAS A CONSTITUENT WHO ASKED FOR IT.
I, I HAD ONE C DIGITIZED IN COLOR.
SO I WILL MAKE SURE ALL EMPLOYEES HAVE IT.
AND, UH, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE WEB, THE WEBSITE, PUT IT THE WEST.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE AWESOME.
OH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE YEAH, THE SAME.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS LIKE ABOUT THREE.
IT WASN'T LIKE, TOOK ME ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO DISASSEMBLE EVERY PAGE, BUT I SCANNED IT.
IT'S CALLED YOU ARE, YOU ARE AMAZING.
WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? WE DO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S WAITING.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MOVEMENT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PAPER.
SO MAYBE WE CAN REDUCE THAT IF YOU'RE, I'M WONDERING, IS IT STILL IN THE REDUCTION MODE OR DID WE BOUNCE BACK OVER AGAIN? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT, IT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR WE'RE WE'RE TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT THE GLIMPSE
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THAT WAS NOT REPRODUCED AGAIN.BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOOKS.
THAT, UM, AGAIN, THEY JUST PUT IN THE SAME ORDER.
AND, UH, A AGAIN, I UTILIZED GIVING THEM OUT AS OPPOSED TO THEM ME FINDING BOXES OF THEM.
WELL, WE USED TO MAIL THEM OUT AND THEN WE STOPPED DOING THAT.
THAT WOULD BE REALLY EXPENSIVE.
UM, AND SO THEY WERE GIVING OUT, AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF PLAN BECAUSE IT'S SO AVAILABLE ONLINE.
AND IT ALL THE SURGICAL, WHEN IT'S ONLINE, AS OPPOSED TO FINDING WHAT PROGRAM YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, FOR NEW RESIDENTS.
I THINK IT'S A NICE THING TO GIVE A BOOK BROCHURE LIKE THIS SO THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
I'D BE CURIOUS, HOW MANY FROM LAST YEAR ARE LEFT OVER NOW THAT WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
I CAN YOU CHECK ON HOW MANY ARE IN THE ORDER FOR 19 FOR THAT AMOUNT? YEAH.
I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THE COMPARISON TO, UM, FOR YOU.
UM, ALSO, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THE COUNCIL MACHINE BECAUSE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING ONLINE, A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE SAID, IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE IT ONLINE.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY COME IN AND THEY ACTUALLY ASK FOR THE, THE, THE PAPER BOOK, THE, UH, HARD, UH, A HARD COPY AS OPPOSED TO THE ELECTRONIC COPY.
I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY IT WAS HARD.
I SAID, I SAID THAT, UH, IT WAS EASIER TO SEARCH ONLINE.
UM, BUT I, I GUESS, UM, IF THERE WAS AN OLDER, UM, AN OLDER RESIDENT, THEY ACTUALLY COME LOOKING FOR THE BOOK.
SO WE COULD HAVE SOME IS A GOOD REASON TO HAVE, HAVE SOME MAYBE REDUCED 19,000.
WELL, I ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BUT YES, I WILL, I WILL ACTUALLY, I CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU BY TOMORROW EVENING.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COPIES 19,000 GETS US? THAT'S WHAT SHE'S GONNA LOOK UP.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA LOOK UP.
'CAUSE I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO REVIEW THE INVOICE.
SHOULD WE DECIDE? DO YOU WANNA HOLD IT OVER FOR A WEEK? WHY DON'T WE, WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, WE'RE MEETING AGAIN ON THE 16TH.
SO WE WANT IT OVER UNTIL WE, WE MEETING, WE WON'T BE FOR VERY LONG.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE I CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THE INFORMATION.
AND ALSO, I GUESS, UM, MAYBE WE COULD JUST LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHO WAS SENT BID REQUESTS FOR, FOR THAT? AND IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE COST.
YOU KNOW, DID WE, UM, YOU KNOW, DID WE, COULD WE EXPAND THE BID LIST? WHAT, RIGHT.
NO, WE GET ANOTHER, THERE WAS A BID OPENING ON THAT.
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT COULD WE EXPAND OUR OUTREACH TO, UM, TO PRINTER IS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A PRINTER WHO NO, SHE SAID IT WAS BID.
NO, THERE WAS, SHE SAID THERE WAS A RFP ON IT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY PRINTER SEES THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, BB, JUST SO YOU HOLD ON, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT I'M, UM, EITHER MYSELF OR THE DEPUTY, IS THAT EVERY BID OPENING NO MATTER WHAT DEPARTMENT? NO, I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH BIDDING IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PRINTERS ALL OVER AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT ON BID LIST.
SO I'M SAYING MAYBE WE COULD NO DO THAT.
RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF, UH, BIDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, JOB.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE ADVERTISED WHERE ANYONE CAN FIND ALL OUR BIDS OR WHERE, WELL, I CAN'T EVEN TALK.
WELL, ALL OF OUR BIDS ARE ADVERTISED.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO SEE HOW TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE TOWN, THEN IT SHOULD BE GARY, DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE, IT'S ON THE D PW PAGE, ON THE DPW PAGE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD MOVE THAT TO THE FRONT OF THE PAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT JUST A LITTLE SECTION, YOU CAN DO A, IT COULD BE A LINK IF YOU WANNA DO LOOKING TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE TOWN, AND THEN YOU CAN MAYBE POINT THEM TO THAT PAGE WHERE THE RFPS ARE LISTED.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, MAYBE, YEAH, OUR CABLE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, CABLE TV PROGRAMS AND MAYBE WE COULD DO LIKE, SOMETHING ON HOW TO GET ON A BID LIST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR NEW BUSINESSES AND WE HAVE A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND, UM, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LIKE NO CLUE HOW TO GET GO GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
SO I THINK THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING I COULD WORK ON.
YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS BULL.
WHAT? YOU KNOW HOW TO GET GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS? NO, I COULD, I COULD LEARN ABOUT IT.
IT'S A PROCESS, BUT NO, BUT I'M JUST, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE COULD TALK 'CAUSE WE NEED TO, WE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
SOMETIMES WHEN I'M AT THE POOL OR WHEN I'M AT SUPERMARKETS, PEOPLE SAY, I HAVE A BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO GET ON A BID LIST.
HOW DO I DO THAT? AND I'M, BUT YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE BID.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
THEY DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DEAL WITH, SO I'M SAYING ONE OF OUR JOBS COULD BE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE EXISTING PRO ON WHAT THE PROCESS IS, AND
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THEN WE COULD TELL PEOPLE THAT IF THEY WANT TO GET ON THE LIST, THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET ON.SO IS, SO JUST NOT CHANGING, JUST OUTTA CLAR.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, GARRETT, SO ON THE PDW ON THE DPW WEBPAGE, THEY HAVE OF THE, THEY HAVE WHERE WE ADVERTISE ALL OUR BID, ALL OUR BID AVAILABILITIES.
AND IT ALSO TELLS YOU HOW TO BID ON A TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, EVENT.
ONCE YOU OPEN THAT DOCUMENT, IT'LL GIVE YOU THE INSTRUCTIONS OF HOW TO, BUT ALSO THERE'S A LIST YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR SO THAT, SO YOU CAN GET THAT ACTIVELY GO TO THE SITE YOU EMAIL.
SO YOU DO THE SAME THING THAT OKAY, THAT'S WHAT WAS GONNA SAY TO, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING.
BUT THE POINT OF IT IS THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
THEY CAN PUT THEMSELF ON THE LIST.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T GO TO OUR WEBSITE, WHO AREN'T WELL, THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT, FOR ME, I'M JUST SAYING, I, I WANT TO FEEL THAT YOU WANNA BID, YOU'RE GONNA SOLICIT THIS.
NO, I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT IF THEY WANT TO BASICALLY GET, BE CONSIDERED FOR GOVERNMENT JOBS, UH, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, THEY COULD BA THIS IS THE PROCESS.
UH, BUT EVERY PROCESS IS DIFFERENT.
SO I JUST, SO IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON HOW TO BID ON GREENBERG PROJECTS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT GAR SAID.
BUT YOU CANNOT SAY HOW TO BID ON A NYPA PROJECT, HOW TO BID ON A NITRA PROJECT, BECAUSE EVERY PROCESS IS DIFFERENT.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A GREEN PROJECT, BUT IT'S ALREADY THERE.
I WANNA EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT INFORMED.
IT'S NOT A, HE'S JUST GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA EDUCATE PEOPLE AWARENESS OF HERE.
BUT JUST TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK AS FAR AS NOTIFYING ONE, OR YOU GO TO GREENBERG UM, DOT COM, GREENBURG NY.COM, AND YOU PUT IN BIDS AND IT BRINGS UP ALL THE BIDS.
SECOND, WE HAVE A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND MY LARGEST BUDGET LINE IS THE PUBLISHING OF LEGAL NOTICES.
THEY ARE LEGALLY, THEY ARE LEGALLY, UM, NOTIFIED IN LOW HU.
AND THAT IS IN OUR, UM, OUR, OUR PACKET, OUR, UM, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE A LEGAL, LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT NOBODY READS THOSE LEGAL, BUT THAT'S, THEY HAVE TO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY PROPERLY BID ON THE BID.
NO, WE HAVE TO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT COMPLAINT.
BUT EACH COMPANY IS, IS IN ORDER.
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO WORK.
SO IF THEY'RE SEEKING TOWN BUSINESS, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT TO DO.
I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE WANTING TO BRING OTHER PEOPLE, PROMOTE IT MORE, BECAUSE LEMME JUST SAY THIS IS NOT LIKE AN ARGUMENT OR WHATEVER CRITICIZES ANYTHING ARGUING.
ALL I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT SOMETIMES, LIKE IF I'M IN A SUPERMARKET, SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, I JUST OPENED UP A BUSINESS.
UM, AND THEN I'LL SAY, OH, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS? OH, IT'S A PRINTER.
OH, I SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON A TOWN BID LIST SO YOU COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR, FOR JOBS? THEY SAID, OH, I REALLY COULD DO THAT.
SO I GIVE THEM MY CARD AND THEN I'LL MENTION IT TO PURCHASING.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT, SO LET ME STOP YOU.
SO WHEN THEY SAY, OH, YES, WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DIRECT THEM TO THE WEBSITE AND SAY, ON THE WEBSITE AT THIS, ON THIS LANDING PAGE IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BID ON THE GREENBERG BID IN ADDITION OF ALL OF THE BID LISTINGS THAT'S AVAILABLE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU, THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE'VE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADVERTISE IN A CONTRACT REPORTER, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A GOVERNMENTAL NEWSPAPER THAT EVERYONE USES.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S ONE OF, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO IS LOOKING TO DO BUSINESS WITH ANY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY WITHIN NEW YORK STATE TO GO AND UTILIZE THAT PARTICULAR, UM, ADVERTISEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN I GREAT.
AND ALSO WE HAVE, IT'S A ONE STOP SHOP FOR THERE.
WE HAVE A NEW CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD STARTING.
THIS COULD BE A FORUM THAT THEY COULD ORGANIZE ON GIVING PEOPLE, EXPLAINING THE BIDDING PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, I FEEL THAT, AND TO ME, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO BY LAW.
IT'S JUST MAKING IT EASIER AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? WE JUST HAVE, SOMEONE HAS BEEN WAITING AND WE ARE LIKE 45 MINUTES BEHIND SCHEDULE, SO NO.
SO PAUL, IS THERE ANY, SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, TOWN BOARD, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION MARK? LET'S SEE.
SO, CO2 APPARENTLY HAD THREE BIDS, AND THIS ONE IS LISTED AS THE ONE THAT WAS GIVEN THE BID WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.
I DON'T SEE THE ACTUAL PEOPLE BIDDING, UM, UH, WHO BID ON IT AND WHAT THEIR, THEIR BIDS WERE.
BUT, UH, IF IT WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BEAR, UM, OR IF IT WAS THE LOWEST BEAR, EVEN BETTER, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ACTUALLY IN THE HEADACHE SO THAT IT HELPS US IN MAKING A DETERMINATION.
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I HAVE SOME, A, SOME CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK BOARD, I'M JUST A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT IF WE TAKE AWAY THE, UM, THE ABILITY OF THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO GET INVOLVED IN IT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE COULD BE FINANCIAL, CAN'T THERE BE FINANCIAL IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, TO PEOPLE'S, TO PEOPLE'S PROPER, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES.BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S MORE RESTRICTIONS IF THEY DON'T DO EVERYTHING THAT, UM, I MEAN IF WE BASICALLY, I MEAN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS, THERE'S RESPONSIBILITIES IF YOU'RE DESIGNATED, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE QUE THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS IF WE TAKE, UM, SO IT COULD BE COSTLY AND MORE RESTRICTIVE IF, IF THE HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT DESIGNATES AN AREA, UM, AS A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, HOME, YOU KNOW, IT MEANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT THEY COULD DO.
SO ISN'T THAT SOMETHING, WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE LIKE ANOTHER BOARD THAT WOULD BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN ON THIS RATHER THAN JUST GIVE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE, UH, ONE ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE POWER.
I MEAN, I, I JUST HAVE, HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, I, AGAIN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONCERNS? UM, SORT OF THE, UH,
THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN IMPETUS BEHIND THE UPDATE TO THE LAW.
UM, ULTIMATELY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CONTACTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT THAT'S THE KEY, IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CONTACTED.
AND THERE COULD BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER OBJECTS, AND IN THAT INSTANCE, I KNOW CONFIDENTLY THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER WILL GO TO THE TOWN BOARD BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD ANOINTS THAT PROPERTY AS A HISTORIC PROPERTY, AND THEY WOULD INDICATE TO YOU WHY THEY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, GENERALLY THE GOAL IS TO WALK HAND IN HAND WITH AN APPLICANT AND SOMEONE THAT CALLS UP THE TOWN AND SAYS, HEY, I'VE GOT A GREAT OLD PROPERTY.
HOW CAN I, WE GET CALLS OCCASIONALLY FOR PROPERTIES TO BE ENTERED IN.
UM, JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE A LITTLE BIT, 'CAUSE THIS HAPPENED A LITTLE BIT IN DOBBS FERRY, I BELIEVE, IS THAT WHEN THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A HOUSE THAT IS LANDMARK MM-HMM
UM, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS, UM, MAYBE A LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BRINGING THAT HOUSE UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OR REPLACING IT, IF THEY WANNA REPLACE THE WINDOWS THAT THEY USE, THE SAME TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT HAD, WERE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT CAN BE AN ONUS ON THE HOMEOWNER.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, NOT IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC LANDMARKING UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UM, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HOMEOWNERS SOMETIMES.
BUT THAT'S, IN ANY CASE, WHETHER IT GOES TO PLANNING BOARD OR NOT, THAT'S AN ANCILLARY, A SEPARATE CONSIDERATION YES.
SO IF A PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE, UM, THAT DOES GO BEFORE THE HISTORIC BOARD, AND LET'S JUST TAKE AN EXAMPLE.
LET'S SAY A HOUSE IS BUILT IN 1900 MM-HMM
AND THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO DEMO IT.
IT'S NOT ON, AND LET'S SAY IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL, THAT HOUSE IS NOT LISTED AS A LOCAL STATE, COUNTY OR FEDERAL HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT'S FLAGGED BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
THE PROPOSAL TO DEMO IS SENT TO THE HISTORIC BOARD, AND THAT'S A REACTIVE STANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE BECAUSE IT'S A DEMO PROPOSAL.
AND THEY IDENTIFY, THEY'LL LOOK AT ALL THE FACTS AND SAY TO THEMSELVES, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT HOUSE THAT WE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T BE NOMINATING THAT? AND LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS, UM, DONE BY FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, LIKE, JUST AS HYPOTHETICAL, THEY WOULD SAY, WOW, THIS, THIS PROBABLY, THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
AND THEREFORE WE ARE AGAINST THE DEMO OF THIS HOUSE.
AND THEREFORE, AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY GO SO FAR AS TO, UM, NOMINATE IT AND SHIP THEM.
THE QUESTION IS TO THEN WHAT HAPPEN THE PROCESS WOULD HAPPEN IS, YEAH, THEY WOULD NOMINATE IT.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ASSIGN WHY IT, IT'S SHOULD BE HISTOR HISTORIC SITE MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN I WOULD FUNNEL THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU WOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING MM-HMM
SOLICIT INPUT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY WOULD INDICATE WHY THEY WANT A DEMO MM-HMM
AND, UH, ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN BOARD TO, UH, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROPERTY SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS A LOCAL HISTORIC SITE.
IF YOU DO, WHAT THAT MEANS IS BEFORE THEY GET APPROVAL TO DEMO OR MAKE ALTERATIONS, THEY NEED TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THE HISTORIC BOARD, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD, THE HISTORIC BOARD.
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AND THAT'S WHERE THE HISTORIC BOARD WOULD LOOK INTO THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD, SHOULD THE WINDOWS BE A CERTAIN TYPE, SHOULD IT HAVE COPPER GUTTERS? THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN TOO OFTEN.
AND, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE, UM, HISTORIC BOARD IS CONSIDERING, THEY RUN THROUGH, UH, RUN BY YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT.
OUR DEPARTMENT LIAISONS THE HISTORIC BOARD, SO WE INTERACT ON RIGHT.
SO WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER, UM, AUTHORITY BEING CONSULTED AND REVIEWING WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE HISTORIC, UM, PRESERVATION BOARD IS CONSIDERING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF PRECLUDES THE PLANNING BOARD HAVING TO DO THAT SERVICE IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONER'S DEPARTMENT PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S HOW THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD BE.
THE, THE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE IS, UM, LIKE I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WORRIED WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR OWN HOMES AND THEIR OWN PROPERTIES, AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THEM, YOU KNOW, TO ME, UM, HAVING AN EXTRA STEP IF WE'RE GONNA IMPOSE MORE RESTRICTIONS, I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY REAL DISADVANTAGE.
THE OTHER THING IS THE HISTORIC BOARD, COULD THEY, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY PARKWAY GARDENS IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BECAUSE IT BASICALLY IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WRITTEN UP IN TOWN AND COUNTRY MAGAZINE MM-HMM
SO COULD THEY LIMIT EVERYBODY'S, UM, ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHOLE DISTRICT? WHAT IS THAT A CASE BY CASE? IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES A HISTORIC DISTRICT? SO THERE'S HISTORIC SITES, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THEN THERE'S, THERE'S HISTORIC DISTRICTS, RIGHT? OKAY.
THERE ARE NO HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN PRESENTLY.
THE TOWN BOARD WOULD HAVE TO AFFIRMATIVELY APPROVE SOME GEOGRAPHY THAT ENCOMPASSES PARKWAY HOMES, LET'S SAY PARKWAY GARDENS.
AND IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THAT, UH, YES.
WHEN THOSE, WHEN OWNERS IN THAT GEOGRAPHY MM-HMM
UH, SOUGHT TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR PROPERTY, LET'S SAY DEMO A HOUSE, THEN YES.
THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE HISTORIC BOARD.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE FINAL SAY ON THAT.
YOU'D HAVE FINAL, FINAL SAY ON WHETHER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAPPENS OR NOT.
THEY TEND TO BE RATHER NOT, THEY'RE NOT UNANIMOUSLY WELL RECEIVED MM-HMM
UM, IF THE HISTORIC BOARD FEELS THAT, LET'S SAY PARKWAY HOMES, PARKWAY GARDENS SHOULD BE NOMINATED AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THEM TO DO BROAD PUBLIC OUTREACH AND REALLY, UM, BE TRANSPARENT AND DISSEMINATE EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND, AND OF COURSE THERE'S HISTORIC DISTRICTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE GREAT VALUE AND THEY'RE GREAT THINGS, BUT, UM, I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING, I'M JUST THINKING SORT OF LIKE A COMPROMISE.
LET'S SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH CD ONE, LET'S SAY WE LET THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, MAKE A, YOU KNOW, HAVE A ROLE, BUT WE GIVE THEM A TIME PERIOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH, YOU KNOW, MUCH DELAY.
SAY, SAY WE SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY HAVE TWO MONTHS TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND IF THEY DON'T MAKE A DECISION, THEN AT THE END OF THE PERIOD IT GOES DIRECTLY TO, I, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE POINT OF THAT WOULD BE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT IS A, JUST AN EXTRA LEVEL AND EXTRA ONUS ON THE PLANNING BOARD THAT TO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY MAY WANT IT, THEY MAY WANT IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY ARE STANDARD PRACTICE AT ALL.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY, THAT THEY ARE ANY MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
YOU KNOW, PLANNING, PLANNING BOARD IS, DOESN'T NECESSARILY CONNOTE HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE.
I JUST REMEMBER GETTING THE WHOLE BUNCH OF EMAILS.
WELL, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE PLANNING BOARD PEOPLE? WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE PLANNING BOARD SAYING THAT THEY HAD SOMETHING TO WEIGH IN A VALUE? DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, SO THE CODE AS PRESENTLY WRITTEN MM-HMM
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD THE AUTHORITY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ESSENTIALLY STOP A, A NOMINATION OF A HISTORIC SITE OR DISTRICT.
AND SO IF THE HISTORIC BOARD SAID, YOU KNOW, HOUSE A WE FEEL HAS VALUE, WE RECOMMEND THAT IT BECOME A HISTORIC SITE BEFORE IT GOES TO THE TOWN BOARD.
NOT ONLY DID THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAD A VETO POWER.
THE PROCESS STOPPED VETO POWER.
UM, SO, BUT THAT WAS PICKED UP.
BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT BASED ON WHAT EXPERTISE IS MY QUESTION.
WHAT IS THEIR EXPERTISE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, EMPOWER THEM TO DO THAT?
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WHAT IS THEIR RATIONALE FOR DOING THAT? WHICH IS, IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.LET'S JUST SAY PERHAPS THE HOMEOWNER OBJECTED, RIGHT.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD BECAME PRIVY TO THAT FACT.
THAT COULD BE ONE REASON, AND THAT COULD BE A REASON WHY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RESOLVED.
THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE A REASON WHY THEY, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER REASON, HYPOTHETICALLY.
THAT'S ONE HYPOTHETICAL I COULD GIVE YOU RIGHT NOW.
HOWEVER, THAT'S, WAIT, SO LET ME, SO IF, IF, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO NOMINATE MY HOME AS A HISTORICAL SITE, AND I'M, AND ME AS THE OWNER, I'M AGREEING TO IT, I NEED TO GET THE APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD, RIGHT? YES.
SO IF I'M NOT AGREEING TO IT, THEN MY APPLICATION'S NOT GONNA GO THROUGH BECAUSE I'M THE ONE PUTTING FORTH THE APPLICATION.
WHAT AM I MISSING? IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY.
HISTORIC SITES AND DISTRICTS CAN BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD, EVEN IF I'M WITHOUT THE HOMEOWNER'S CONSENT.
SO EVEN IF I'M LIVING IN THAT HOME AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT HOME WAS BUILT IN 1918.
SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD BE ABLE, I WOULD, JOE WOULD BE ABLE TO, JOE WOULD BE ABLE TO NOMINATE MY HOME AS A HISTORICAL SITE.
CERTAINLY WE ABSOLUTELY WILL CONTACT THAT HOMEOWNER.
'CAUSE WE WANT THEIR NO, NO, NO.
I KNOW, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE YOU'RE CONTACTED, BUT I'M SAYING COULD, HE COULD CONCEIVABLY, BECAUSE YOU COULD LIVE IN A HOME THAT YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE HAS HISTORICAL VALUE.
IF SOMEONE ELSE, A NEIGHBOR OR WHOEVER IDENTIFIES THAT, AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE HISTORIC POINT AND SAY, LOOK, THIS HOUSE, YOU SHOULD SAVE THIS HOUSE.
'CAUSE THIS PERSON, WHEN THEY IS LIVING THERE, COME AND THEY DEMOLISH IT.
AND THERE IS A HYPOTHETICAL, LET'S, LET'S DO IT THIS WAY.
THERE IS A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO WHERE A TOWN BOARD SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOMINATE SOMETHING AS HISTORIC MM-HMM
AGAINST THE OBJECTIONS OF THAT HOMEOWNER.
THAT'S I'LL, UH, THE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT EXAMPLE, RIGHT? THAT'S, LET'S SAY IT'S IN PRISTINE CONDITION, AND THE HOMEOWNER JUST SAYS, I WANT FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, I WANNA PUT UP A RAISED RANCH.
NO, THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE SO THAT YOU COULD NOMINATE THAT AND SAY, SORRY, HOMEOWNER.
HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE.
HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, UM, IN THE YEARS THAT THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION SOCIETY HAS BEEN IN PLACE, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THERE BEEN ISSUES LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN RESI, AT LEAST IN THE, YOUR HISTORY WITH THE TOWN? I I THINK THE TOWN IS 11 HISTORIC SITES, I THINK.
SINCE 2008, SINCE I'VE WORKED HERE, I KNOW OF ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THE HOMEOWNER OBJECTED.
WAS NOT, WAS NOT, UH, AND WHERE, WHAT ROLE DID THE PLANNING BOARD PLAY IN THAT? DID THEY HAVE ANY, THE PLANNING BOARD PLAYED THE ROLE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY DISAGREED WITH THE NOMINATION AND THEY EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT.
FREEDOM BY ZONING ORDINANCE TO ESSENTIALLY END THE PROCESS.
ONE INSTANCE WHERE, WHERE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
SO WE'RE PUTTING THIS ONUS ON THE TOWN BOARD FOR A, A HIGHLY UNLIKELY, UM, SITUATION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, SPEAKING OF FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT IN, IN ANOTHER STATE ENTIRELY, UM, THERE WAS A FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT HOUSE, IT'S ACTUALLY MICHIGAN THAT WAS OWNED BY, OVER THE YEARS, BY A NUMBER OWNERS, WAS TURNED TO A ROOMING HOUSE.
THERE WERE ADDITIONS PUT ON SO THAT THE WHOLE HOUSE, THE, AND THE HISTORICAL IMPORT OF IT WAS TOTALLY DESTROYED MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY, A VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN THE AREA ENDEAVOR INVESTED IN BRINGING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL FORM.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE, THOSE BENEFACTORS WHO WOULD SEE THE VALUE IN THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE THE HISTORICAL, UH, PRESERVATION BOARD THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THEIR EXPERTISE AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY CAN MAKE DECISIONS WITHOUT HAVING THE PLANNING BOARD OVER OVERSEE EVERY DECISION THAT THEY MAKE.
MS. PAUL, WE WOULD BE FULFILLING THAT SAME ROLE THAT I THINK YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE WOULD FULFILL THAT ROLE IN TERMS OF, IF A CONSTITUENT REALLY, UM, WAS LIVING IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE ON THE, THE ONUS OF THAT, WE WOULD THEN RULE THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA DO.
WELL, NO, WE NEVER KNOW THE FUTURE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE PLANNING BOARD IS GONNA DO EITHER.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UH, WE'RE JUST GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES HERE BECAUSE IF, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT BY TAKING THE PLANNING BOARD OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE MASSIVE, UM, HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS, WELL THEN THAT'S ON THE TOWN BOARD
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BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD GETS TO DECIDE, ULTIMATELY DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT HAPPENS OR NOT.SO PAUL, WOULD YOU CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAY BE RUNNING A MUCK, IT WOULD BE THE TOWN BOARD RUNNING A MUCK AFTER THE PROPOSAL IS VETTED BY THE STARK, UM, GLENMARK REPORT AND, UH, HELD, THEY HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY SEND THAT REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM, IN THIS CASE, GARRETT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO TELL US OF WHAT THEY LIKE AND DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I JUST AM READING A LETTER THAT, UH, CAROL ALLEN, WHO'S ACTIVE IN, YOU KNOW, THE CIVIC, UH, GROUP SENT TO THE TOWN BOARD ON DECEMBER 3RD.
IT SAYS, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 2 35 OF THE TOWN CODE WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS ON THE HISTORICAL, UM, AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AND REMOVE THE PLANNING BOARD FROM THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING WHETHER A PROPERTY SHOULD BE GIVEN LANDMARK STATUS.
LANDMARK DESIGNATION STATUS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT MUST BE HANDLED WITH THE UTMOST OF CARE.
SPECIFICALLY, PROPERTY OWNERS OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES ARE SUBJECT TO RIGGED, RIGID, AND EXPENSIVE REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES.
GIVEN THIS HUGE BURDEN, THERE MUST BE STRICT GUIDELINES FOR SUCH DESIGNATIONS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE DESIGNATION IS IN FACT, IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN.
THE CURRENT, UH, CHA, UH, CHARGE OF THE COMMISSION INCLUDES HAVING CRITERIA.
THUS, A CHANGE IN THE LAW SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO BE PUT INTO WRITING.
THE FACT THAT OTHER TOWNS DID NOT REQUIRE PLANNING BOARD INPUT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GREENBERG SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO HOLD ITSELF TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN IS CUSTOMARY.
IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS NOT FUNCTIONING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN? IF OUR PROCESS HAS BEEN WORKING WELL, THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT TO BE CHANGED.
THERE'S A-H-N-L-P-B CONTEMPLATING DESIGNATED PARKWAY HOMES, A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT CERTAINLY HAS A RICH HISTORY.
HOWEVER, THE HOMES ARE NOT ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.
PLACING THE RESTRICTIONS OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THIS AREA MIGHT PROVE TO BE FINANCIALLY DEVASTATING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
IN THE PROCESS OF HONORING PAST RESIDENTS, YOU MIGHT INADVERTENTLY DESTROY THE GENERATIONAL WEALTH THAT HAS BEEN CREATED FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS.
THEREFORE, CAREFUL CONSIDERATION MUST BE GIVEN TO FINDING AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO CELEBRATE THE HISTORY OF THE AREA WITHOUT PLACING A BURDEN ON CURRENT AND FUTURE HOMEOWNERS PLANNING BOARD WHOSE MISSION IS TO BALANCE THE RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNER AND THE WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL, UM, PART PROCESS.
IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT PROPOSED HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS BE REVIEWED FROM THE PERSPECTIVES THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE PLACED WITHIN THE COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY, UM, DEVELOPMENT, WHOSE DUTIES ARE NOT STRICTLY ALIGNED WITH THIS VIEWPOINT.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DISAPPROVE THE PRO PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LAW.
I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE CAROL'S BEEN VERY WELL RESPECTED AND VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, UM, TO HOLD THIS OVER AND MAYBE WE COULD SET UP A MEETING WITH CAROL AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE, ARE CRITICAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IF THIS IS DELAYED FOR A COUPLE WEEKS UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, IT'S NOT GONNA REALLY DO ANY HARM.
AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT IF THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND WE ALL MEET AND WE DISCUSS EVERYTHING THAT MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD, UH, TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE, UH, PEOPLE WILL I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION AFTER FRANCIS.
NO, IT IS, IT IS JUST VERY DISTURBING, UH, THAT APPARENTLY CAROL HAS NO CONFIDENCE IN THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT ONCE THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD VETO POWER, BUT EVEN IF IT DIDN'T HAVE VETO POWER, IN OTHER WORDS, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD VETO ANY RECOMMENDATION OF THE H AND LPB AND THAT WAS THE END OF IT.
BUT EVEN IF IT DIDN'T, WHAT WE HAVE IS A PROCESS THAT'S THAT'S BEFORE US THAT HAS A, A LOGIC TO IT.
YOU HAVE THE EXPERTS, THE H AND LPB, UH, MEMBERS PROPOSING SOMETHING, THEY HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND CAROL ALLEN, WHO I ALSO RESPECT, COULD STATE EXACTLY WHAT SHE JUST STATED, UM, REGARDING PARTICULAR AREA OF THE TOWN AND WHAT THEIR OPINION IS.
H AND LPB WOULD EVALUATE THAT THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD GO TO OUR CO UH, COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING.
THAT COMMISSIONER WOULD THEN STUDY IT AND DETERMINE WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE MADE TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD THEN HOLDS A PUBLIC HEARING THERE, CAROL AND OTHERS, UH, UM, COULD VOICE THEIR OPINION AND IT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO FALL ONTO THE TOWN BOARD.
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I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE WITH ALL OF THAT TRANSPARENCY, IS THERE A PROBLEM? I DON'T SEE IT.I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ONE, ONE THING JUST TO FOLLOW UP IN THAT, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU COMMISSIONER THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT SYSTEM? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, UM, OBSTRUCTIVE OR THE, THE VETO ASPECT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, I, MYSELF AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER, I WOULD SAY ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS, HAS A DUTY TO PROVIDE THE TOWN BOARD WITH THE BALANCED OBJECTIVE OPINION.
SO IF THE HISTORIC BOARD, LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY RECOMMENDS PARKWAY HOMES.
PARKWAY GARDENS BECOMES A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DOES DOES SO WITHOUT OUTREACH TO RESIDENTS IN THAT GEOGRAPHY, I I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
YOU NEED TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS.
SO IF I SEE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT A, A RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM
FROM THE HISTORIC BOARD, OR I THINK ANYONE IN MY DEPARTMENT ACTING IN MY ROLE WOULD DO THE SAME.
IT'S GOING TO, HAS THE ONUS TO GIVE YOU A BALANCED OPINION ON THE THINGS YOU SHOULD LOOK AT AS YOU EVALUATE THAT HISTORIC BOARD RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I SO WHAT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE VETO POWER, BUT THEY WERE STILL INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS IN SOME WAY? I'M JUST LOOKING FOR COMPROMISE
BUT WHAT GIVES THEM, WHAT GIVES THEM SOMETIMES INVOLVED? LET ME ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU ANSWER IT.
WHAT, WHAT GIVES THEM THE EXPERTISE IN WHAT IS HISTORIC AND WHAT IS NOT? UM, DO, IS THAT PART OF THE MANDATE FOR BECOMING A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD? IN WHICH CASE, IF WE ARE GOING TO ASK THEM TO PERFORM THAT FUNCTION, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT EXPERTISE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WEIGHING IN ON THAT ASPECT OF IT.
THEY'RE WEIGHING IN ON THE COMMUNITY, UM, EFFECT OF, WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN BOARD CAN DO.
WHY DO WE NEED THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO THAT? BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE YOUR SUGGESTION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OF ASKING THEM FOR A COURTESY ADVISORY OPINION MIGHT BE, RATHER THAN VETO POWER MIGHT BE ANOTHER APPROACH.
BECAUSE 99% OF THE CASES, THIS IS GONNA BE RESOLVED ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU MAKE A, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE A MISTAKE.
WE, WE MIGHT, THERE COULD BE A BOARD THAT MIGHT DO SOMETHING WITHOUT, THERE ARE A LOT OF WHAT IFS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO ON PAST HISTORY.
IN THE LAST 18 YEARS, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS A, WHERE THERE WAS AN ISSUE AND THAT, AND AT ALL PUBLIC HEARING, ANY PLANNING BOARD MEMBER WHO WANTED TO COULD OPINE, BUT MAYBE GETTING THERE, I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION MAKES REAL, IS A, IS A REALLY EXCELLENT COMPROMISE IDEA BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY, BASICALLY LET'S THE, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT SHOW RESPECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AND WE WANNA SAY TO THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE VALUE YOUR OPINION.
YOU'VE, YOU, YOU'RE SPENDING MANY, MANY HOURS DONATING YOUR TIME, UH, REVIEWING, UH, PLANNING ISSUES AND WE WANNA GIVE YOU THE COURTESY OF SEEKING YOUR, UH, YOUR INPUT, BUT YOU'RE CREATING, YOU'RE CREATING A, YES, THEY'RE DONATING A LOT OF HOURS OF THEIR TIME, AND NOW YOU'RE CREATING MORE HOURS OF THE TIME TO DO TO, TO PERFORM OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
WELL, NO, A COUPLE PEOPLE WANT IT, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY WANTS IT AS, AS YOU KNOW.
AND NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE OBJECTED TO THIS OR, OR YOU MAYBE I THOUGHT THEY HAVE.
NONE OF THE, NONE OF, OKAY, SO JUST PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER.
OR MAYBE, OR MAYBE, UH, A COMPROMISE COULD BE IF, IF, UH, SAY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEMBERS PLANNING BOARD ONE, YOU KNOW, REQUEST THAT YOU KNOW WHAT IT GOES TO.
I THINK WE, WE ARE ALREADY AN HOUR LATE.
WE, WE CAN CONTINUE, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.
GO ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON THIS TOMORROW.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE IDEAS.
I MEAN, YOU, IT'S NOT ME, YOU KNOW, I'M RESPONDING TO, UH, CONCERNS AT RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, AS IS WELL POINTING OUT.
THOSE AREN'T ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE PLANNING BOARD ITSELF.
IT'S IT FROM RESIDENTS, ANCILLARY MEMBERS, A RESIDENT.
YOU HAVE OTHER, HOW MANY OTHER RESIDENTS? PROBABLY THREE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN ANY 900, UNDER 98,000
FRANCIS, I WAS ASKING IF THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
UM, NO, WE'RE WAITING FOR, WE'RE WAITING FOR, UM, PAUL.
OH, UH, THE MOTION IS TO, UM, LET'S SEE.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.