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TO, UH, THE GREENBERG TOWN BOARD MEETING.OUR FINAL MEETING OF THE YEAR.
[ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
WE WILL, UM, START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF UNITED OF AND TO THE REPUBLIC.
REPUBLIC FOR WHICH NATION, NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY.
WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ MOMENT OF SILENCE In memory of Mary H. Watson, who was a respected senior citizen in the Town. Ms. Mary was an active member of our Senior Lounge program and enjoyed our daily lunch service, Bingo and Tuesday/Thursday day trips! She has not been active for a while now, but was remembered often and truly missed. In memory of those killed in Ukraine due to the Russian invasion, and in memory of those who have perished due to the terrorist attack by Hamas on October 7, 2023]
STAND.WE HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN MEMORY OF MARY WATSON, WHO WAS A RESPECTED SENIOR CITIZEN OF THE TOWN.
UM, MARY WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THE SENIOR LOUNGE PROGRAM.
SHE ENJOYED OUR DAILY LUNCH SERVICE.
AND, UM, TUESDAY, THURSDAY DAY TRIPS.
SHE, UM, WAS NOT ACTIVE, UM, FOR A WHILE, BUT SHE WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED AND SHE WILL TRULY BE MISSED.
AND SHE HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PERSONALITY, MANY, MANY FRIENDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY ALWAYS ENJOYED, UM, SPEAKING TO HER AND INTERACTING WITH HER AND BENEFITING FROM HER ADVICE OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WHEN I USED TO GO TO THE SENIOR CITIZENS, UM, AND, AND CHATTED WITH HER, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS ALWAYS SO HELPFUL.
AND ALSO A MEMORY OF THOSE KILLED IN UKRAINE DUE TO THE RUSSIAN INVASION.
AND A MEMORY OF THOSE HAVE PERISHED, UH, DUE DUE TO THE TERRORIST ATTACK BY HAMAS ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2023.
[ ROLL CALL: Town Clerk]
NOW, UH, THE ROLL CALL.COUNCILWOMAN HABER PRESENT, COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS, PRESENT TOWN ATTORNEY AND PARLIAMENTARIAN, MR. JOE DANKA PRESENT.
[ Traci Baker, an employee of the Department of Public Works, will be retiring the end of December, after 35 years of service Robert Risley, an employee of the Engineering Department, will be retiring the end of December, with 26 years of service]
WE ALSO WANNA WISH, UH, UH, SOME OF OUR RETIREES, UM, LOTS OF, UM, GOOD LUCK AND, UH, HEALTH.TRACY, UH, BAKER, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, WILL BE RETIRING AT THE END OF DECEMBER, AND SHE WORKED FOR THE TOWN FOR 35 YEARS AND DID A, AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
ROBERT, UH, RISLEY, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WILL BE RETIRING, UM, AT THE END OF DECEMBER WITH 26 YEARS OF SERVICE.
AND ISN'T RICH EY, THAT'S ON THE NEXT, THE NEXT, YES.
UH, HE'S NOT RETIRING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
OH, THAT'S RETIRING IN JANUARY.
UM, SO ON BEHALF OF, UM, I AM THE LIAISON FOR PUBLIC WORKS ON BEHALF OF OUR RETIREES FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS.
I JUST WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT TRACY BARKER REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, JUST, AND THANK HER FOR THE 35 REMARKABLE YEARS OF SERVICE SHE HAS GIVEN TO US.
SHE HAS BEEN TRULY A ROCK TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS CONSISTENTLY DEPENDABLE AND DEDICATED TO THE BETTERMENT OF OUR TOWN.
HER UNWAVERING SUPPORT FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES HAS MADE A PROFOUND DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AS SHE EMBARKS ON THIS NEW CHAPTER OF RETIREMENT, JUST KNOW THAT YOUR LEGACY WILL TRULY BE CHERISHED.
AND MISS, WE ARE WISHING YOU THE BEST IN YOUR NEXT ADVENTURE.
AND TO, UH, TO ROB, WE JUST, AGAIN, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE 26 YEARS OF SERVICE.
AS OUR ENGINEER, YOUR DEDICATION TO IMPROVING OUR TOWN'S INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TRULY MADE A DIFFERENCE.
AND WE AFFECTIONATELY DUBBED YOU AS THE DETECTIVE OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AS YOU, AS YOUR KNACK FOR UNCOVERING HISTORICAL RECORDS AND MAPS HASN'T BEEN INVALUABLE.
YOUR EXPERTISE AND FRIENDLY DEMEANOR WILL TRULY BE MISSED.
WE ARE WISHING YOU AND ALL THE BEST IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BOTH OF, TO BOTH OF THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE.
[ To consider an extension of the Finmor Sewer District in the Town of Greenburgh]
A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO CONSIDER AN EXTENSION OF THE FINMORE SEWER DISTRICT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE OPEN UP THE HEARING.
IS OUR STENOGRAPHER ON ZOOM TONIGHT? OH, OH.
UM, I MEAN, SHE'S NOT, I MEAN, SHE'S NOT ON ZOOM.
SHE'S NOT, YEAH, YEAH, SHE'S ON ZOOM.
BARBARA, IS IT ATTENDEE RIGHT NOW? WHERE IS SHE? OH, YOU GONNA MOVE HER UP? OR HOW ARE YOU? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SHE'S AVAILABLE.
DOES SHE NEED TO, NEED TO BE PROMOTED? SO DO, YEAH.
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TERRANCE HAS TO DO IT.SO SHE NEEDS TO SAY, SHE NEEDS TO ACCEPT THE PROMOTION.
I DON'T SEE HER IN THE WAITING ROOM ARRIVED.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO PRESENT? IF YOU COULD PLEASE STEP UP TO PODIUM.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, BY THE WAY, I DO KNOW BARBARA LEY HAYES.
AND, UH, THE DETECTIVE OF THE, IT'S A VERY GOOD NAME FOR HIM.
HE'S VERY INQUIRING VERY, VERY BASIC, UH, INFORMATION.
BUT HE ALWAYS WANTED, AND HE ALWAYS DID THE RIGHT THING.
I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS RETIRING.
UH, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO APPROVE.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE EM, I'M SORRY.
EMILIO ESCALADES, UM, ESCALADES ASSOCIATES, WHERE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS, UH, WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE PRODUCT OF A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THE FINAL SIGNING OFF FROM THE BUILDING DE, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAD SIGNED OFF ORIGINALLY.
UM, THE TWO PREVIOUS ENGINEERS HAD LOOKED AT THIS.
THEY WERE READY TO SIGN OFF, BUT BEFORE THEY SIGNED, THEY LEFT.
AND THE NEW ENGINEER HAS ASKED US TO COME UP, COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHICH WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE GIVEN THEM, UH, ALL THE NEW ELEMENTS THAT THEY WANTED.
AND WE'RE, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY AFTER THIS APPROVAL, HE WILL BE ABLE TO SIGN OFF, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND GET THEIR BLESSINGS, AND THEN GET THE FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, IT, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MENTION THAT THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED, I WOULD SAY 30 YEARS AGO.
MR. PAUL PETRE AND THE ORIGINAL OWNER HAD THE SAME GEOMETRY, THE SAME TWO PARCELS, UH, ATTACHED TOGETHER.
AND THEN, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WAS NEVER FILED.
IT WAS APPROVED WITH, WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT WAS NEVER FILED IN THE COUNTY.
I STARTED WITH THE SAME PROJECT, SIMILAR SUBDIVISION, UH, NUMBERS OF LOTS, SAME THING.
AND NOW WE'RE READY TO DO, UH, THE SAME THING.
BUT IN THE PROCESS OF RE BEING REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT IT HAD NEVER BEEN, THIS PARCEL OF LAND HAD NEVER BEEN INCLUDED IN THE SEWER DISTRICT.
UM, UM, WE ORIGINALLY DOUBTED, WE WENT AROUND TO THE OTHER, UH, UH, NEIGHBORS, AND SURE ENOUGH, THE CHURCH IS NOT IN THE SEWER DISTRICT, AND ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT TO IT IS NOT IN THE SEWER DISTRICT.
SO, UH, IT CAME OUT TO BE HISTORICALLY CORRECT.
THE, THE, THE RECORDS OF THE TOWN ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE NOT THAT CLEAR.
AND THE MAP OF SEWER DISTRICTS ARE NOT VERY CLEAR.
SO WE, WE ASKED THREE QUESTIONS, AND THE THREE QUESTIONS CAME BACK WITH THE SAME ANSWER.
YOU'RE NOT IN THE SUVA DISTRICT.
SO WE, WE, WE PRESENTED ALL THE, UM, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS, THE DESCRIPTION, UH, AND HE LIES.
ONE MORE, UH, ONE MORE PROBLEM.
IN, UM, IN DOING THE, UH, DEED DESCRIPTION IN, IN ACTUALLY DOING, UM, THE DESCRIPTION OF ALL THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTIES.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE EDGES THAT ARE REPRESENTED, UH, BY THAT, BY THAT, UH, SHAPE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT DRAWING, UM, IT WAS PERFORMED AND IT WAS GIVEN TO THE TOWN.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE SURVEYOR THAT PERFORMED IT DIED, UH, UNEXPECTEDLY.
A 62-YEAR-OLD, AMAZING MAN, SUPER TALENTED, UH, INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING KIND PERSON.
HE DIED TWO WEEKS AGO, THREE, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO.
AND HE HAD APPARENTLY IN HIS, UH, RUSH TO GET THE, UH, MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION, UH, WHICH HE GAVE TO ME, AND WHICH I GAVE TO THE TOWN AS PART OF THE SUBMISSION.
THERE WAS A SMALL MISTAKE, UH, CAUGHT BY THE ENGINEER.
HE DID THE MEETS AND BOUNDS, WHICH IS UNUSUAL.
NO, NO ENGINEER USUALLY DOES THAT.
AND, UH, HE DID WHAT WE CALL THE TRAVERSE COMPUTATIONS, UH, DOING, UM, UH, LATITUDES AND DEPARTURES, WHICH IS THE XY MOVEMENT ALONG THE PROPERTY.
AND HE FOUND THAT THERE WERE INCHES OF ERROR AT THE CLOSING.
AND I WENT BACK TO MAMADOU AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM, HE SAYS, WELL, IT, IT, IT, UH, I CAN'T, I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
I DON'T, I DIDN'T CATCH ANY ERROR.
BUT THERE ARE TWO EDGES WITH THE CEMETERY THAT ARE FROM THE 18 HUNDREDS.
SO THE, THE ACTUAL MEETS AND BOUNDS OF OLD PARCELS OF VERY HARD SOMETIMES TO MAKE MATHEMATICALLY CLOSING.
BUT THAT'S BEING HANDLED NOW BY THE, UH, BY THE FA THE, UH, PARENT COMPANY OF MUNSON COMPANIES, WHICH IS, UH, STEVE WILLARD,
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UM, AND WARD CARPENTER ENGINEERS.THEY ARE RECOMPUTING THE MEETS AND BOUNDS, UH, AND READJUSTING WHATEVER MUST BE ADJUSTED, UH, FROM A HISTORICAL AND MATHEMATICAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND I, WE, WE WILL BE RESUBMITTING THAT TO, UH, THE POWERS, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
WHAT WE HOPE HAPPENS TONIGHT IS THAT THE, THE SPIRIT OF, UH, THE HISTORICAL SPIRIT OF THIS EXISTING LOT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN CHANGED, HAS NEVER BEEN, UH, PARTED, UH, IN, INTO DIFFERENT LOTS, WILL BE ACCEPTED IN THEORY UNTIL YOU, UH, THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE IT TONIGHT OR MAKE WHATEVER DECISION YOU NEED TO MAKE TONIGHT.
BUT IF IT'S ON IN OUR FAVOR, THEN WHAT THIS WILL DO IS SAVE US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, COMPLETE.
UM, ONE OF THE OWNERS ALREADY DIED IN THE PROCESS.
THIS, THIS STARTED, LIKE I SAID, 30 YEARS AGO.
UM, AND ONE OF THE OWNERS RECENTLY PASSED AWAY.
AND, UH, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN IS IN THESE LATE EIGHTIES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, UH, FOR FAMILY REASONS AND, UH, DEEDED, RIGHT.
AND ALL OF THAT, UH, FAMILY STUFF.
WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO HIM, HERE'S A SUBDIVIDED PARCEL.
GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR NEXT, UH, UH, UH, PLANNED, UH, UM, UH, DIRECTION.
I HAVE HERE THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, OF THE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF THE REAL ESTATE.
UM, AND SHE, IF SHE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING, ADD ANYTHING TO THAT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THIS APPROVAL FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, I THINK WE WERE LET DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK ALL THESE THINGS.
AND WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SUBMITTING, UH, WHATEVER HE ASKED FOR.
UM, SO, AND NOW WE'RE DOING THAT.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS DEED ERA, UM, AND I THINK WHEN I ASKED HIM WHAT WAS THE SIZE OF THE AIR, HE SAYS, I THINK IT WERE A FEW INCHES, WHICH IS NOT, UM, UN UH, UNUSUAL IN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING AROUND FOR THIS LONG THAT ARE BORDERED WITH PROPERTIES FROM THE 1850S.
SO, AGAIN, MY, MY WISH, UH, AND MY REQUEST FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT IS TO CONSIDER THIS AS IF THIS WAS MATHEMATICALLY CORRECT, WHICH IT WILL BE, BECAUSE WE WILL RESUBMIT THIS WITH A, UH, A PROPER CLOSURE ERROR.
UM, CLOSURE ERRORS ARE PLUS OR MINUS THOUSANDS OF AN INCH.
'CAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH, WITH HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
SO THE MATHEMATICS OF 1850S ON THE EQUIPMENT ACCURACY OF THE 1850S DOESN'T MATCH TODAY.
SO BY DEFINITION, ANY, ANY DEED HAS TO BE ADJUSTED.
UM, I LEAVE THAT TO THE SURVEYING COMPANY.
THEY SAID, NO, THIS WILL BE DONE WITHIN THIS WEEK.
BUT I WAS SURPRISED, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT, UH, WE WERE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO PRESENT INTO YOUR BOARD TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T EXPECT THIS, BUT I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT I CAN DO THAT.
IF I CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
WELL, GENERALLY, WHEN WE EXTEND THE SEWER DISTRICT, IT'S BASED ON A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION AND A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED US.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
SO HOW CAN WE APPROVE A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION, WHICH YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IS NOT ACCURATE? WELL, IT, IT'S, I'M, I'M TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT, UH, THE FACTS ARE.
YOU DECIDE HOWEVER YOU HAVE TO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, UH, YOU DO ANYTHING BUT THE RIGHT THING.
I WOULD SAY, I WOULD THINK BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL HISTORY, UH, THE HISTORY OF THIS PARCEL AND THE, UM, LACK OF DOUBT OF WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE, UM, I LEAVE IT UPON YOU.
IF, IF, IF THE MEMBERS VOTE AGAINST IT, OF COURSE I WILL ACCEPT IT.
IF THE, IF THE MEMBERS VOTE FOR IT, I WILL BE VERY HAPPY.
AND SO WILL THE FAMILY THAT'S WAITING FOR 30 YEARS.
AND THE PROCESS, THERE IS A THIRD OPTION AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE TO ADJOURN THE HEARING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 8TH, AND TO GATHER THE NECESSARY INFORMATION BEFOREHAND.
SO THERE DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE TONIGHT.
IF THE BOARD WISHES THEY COULD HOLD IT OVER, UM, ASCERTAIN THE NEW INFORMATION.
AND YEAH, I, I DEFINITELY WAS NOT SUGGESTING A BINARY DECISION.
IT'S, WE, WE NEED ACCURATE DATA FOR US TO VOTE.
AND IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US THAT ACCURATE DATA, YOU TELL US WHEN YOU CAN, UH, THEN I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE A FAVORABLE OUTCOME.
BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ACCURATE, I CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING AND PRETEND THAT IT'S ACCURATE BECAUSE OF SOME HISTORICAL BASIS THAT IT'S NOT BEEN ACCURATE FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT HOW I OPERATE.
AND ULTIMATELY, DOESN'T THE COUNTY HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THAT? OR IS THAT NOT THE CASE IN TERMS OF MEETS AND BOUNDS? WHILE ONCE, NO.
ONE, ONCE, IF WE ARE, WE APPROVE IT, THEN IT GOES TO THE COUNTY TO VERIFY, TO GET
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REGISTERED WITH THEM, YES.I, I HAVE NOT HEARD OF AN INSTANCE WHERE THE COUNTY DISAGREES WITH THE TOWN'S DETERMINATION IN, IN THE SEWER DISTRICT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
I'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK BEFORE I ASK.
WELL, I, I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT WITH THE INCORRECT MEETS AND BOUNDS, WE TAKE THE RISK OF BEING CALLED ON IT.
WELL, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR OWN ENGINEER, JASON OLA, HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT AS WELL, WHICH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT US BEING ARBITRARY.
'CAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND, I'M SURPRISED THAT I'M EVEN HERE.
SO I, I AT LEAST WE HAVE ONE, ONE MEETING IN, UM, IN THE RECORD.
AND AS, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE SAID, CORRECTLY SAID, ONCE IT'S PERFECT, UH, YOU WILL VOTE ON IT.
I JUST, SO WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
YOU GOT TO KNOW THE PROPERTY
I, I, I DO WANT TO STATE THAT ONCE IT IS, YOU KNOW, PERFECT AS YOU SAY, THEN OUR ENGINEER WILL SEND US A LETTER, WHICH HE ALWAYS DOES, RIGHT.
WHICH WE ALWAYS REQUIRE STATING THAT HE IS SATISFIED WITH THE, AND THAT'S WHAT HELD IT OVER THE LAST TIME WE HAD NO LETTER AND WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATIVE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
BUT IN PARTICULAR, WE HAD NO LETTER FROM OUR TOWN ENGINEER.
AND WE DON'T, WE UNDERSTAND THE REASON WE WERE TRYING TO WORK ON IT.
BUT THE, THE SURVEYOR UNFORTUNATELY DIED.
EVERYONE AROUND THIS PROPERTY IS DYING.
THAT'S A BAD JOKE, BUT IT'S REAL.
I HOPE I'M NOT THE, I'M HOPE I'M NOT THE NEXT ONE.
LET'S, THE OLD, THE OLD PERSON'S OWNER IS VERY, VERY OLD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? SO WE HAVE ALL THE SPEAKERS.
EVERYONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP HAS BEEN, UM, UH, THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR THE HEARING.
UM, BUT SIR, YOU COULD JUST DO ME A FAVOR.
CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT THE SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME AND THE NAME OF YOUR COMPANY? SURE.
UH, LAST NAME IS ESCALADAS, E-S-C-A-L-A-D-A-S ASSOCIATES.
AND WE'RE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS.
I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 46 YEARS.
AND I'VE SEEN THESE IMPROPER CLOSINGS IN PROPERTY, BUT NO ONE REALLY PAYS ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'RE THOUSANDS OF AN INCH.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL MATHEMATIZE IT CORRECTLY SO THAT THE TOWN ENGINEER CAN DO HIS PROPER REVIEW AND, UH, ADVISE YOU AS TO THE PROPER, UH, SEQUENCE.
AND WE DO NEED A MOTION TO MAKE THAT RIGHT, TO ADJOURN IT TO JANUARY 8TH.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO JANUARY 8TH.
SECOND, BEFORE WE VOTE, COULD I ASK IF HE THINKS THAT'S A REASONABLE TIME TO GET THE YES, YES, YES, I THINK IT IS.
YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE PUT THINGS INTO MOTION AND I, I SH I COULD HAVE HAD IT TODAY IF I HAD GONE THERE, BUT MAYBE I WAS, I DIDN'T GET A CALL.
I MADE THE REQUEST THIS MORNING.
BUT, UH, SO I, I THINK THAT'S THE PROPER, WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE PROPER MEETING, FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UM, UH, PUBLIC
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COMMENTS.ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING? MR. WALTER? SIMON.
WALTER SIMON, 100 HIGH POINT DRIVE.
COUNCIL CLARK, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL CLERK CLARK, YOU BEGIN.
I, I, UH, AGREE WITH THE DECISIONS THAT YOU, THAT WERE JUST MADE, UH, WERE LED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS AND, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEN, THAT YOU DON'T MAKE A VOTE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
THAT IS THE CRUX OF MY ISSUE WITH THE, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK AND PRESERVATION, UH, CODE THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVING.
THERE IS NO MEASURABLE STANDARD IN THAT CODE OF HOW THEY OPERATE.
EXAMPLE GORDON PARK'S HOME WAS LANDMARK.
A SIMPLE HOUSE, BUT IT HAD HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
WALTER WINCHELL'S, HOUSE, HOUSE, SIMPLE HOUSE.
IT HAD HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE THAT WAS TORN DOWN, THAT WAS TORN DOWN.
YOU HAD, UH, UH, UM, THE HOUSE BY, UH, THE CARVE HOUSE, WHICH WAS A COMBINATION
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OF HISTORY AND SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, HISTORICAL, UH, ATTRIBUTES THAT WAS TORN DOWN.UH, THE BOARD, THE LANDMARK AND PRESERVATION BOARD IS TALKING ABOUT LANDMARKING, UM, PARKWAY GARDENS AND PARKWAY HOMES, BUT THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT LANDMARK OR SWELL HOMES.
THEY HAVE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO THAT DOESN'T, SO THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT IN THIS CODE, IT DOES NOT MANDATE THAT YOU WILL ESTABLISH THOSE CODES, THOSE STANDARDS, STANDARDS BY WHICH TO DESIGNATE A HOUSE.
THERE'S NO STAND, I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THE TOWN BOARD, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN ON THE HISTORICAL LANDMARKS BOARD COULD GIVE ME AN EXPLANATION WHY THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WINCHELL'S HOUSE, UH, GORDON PARKS HOUSE, UH, PARKWAY GARDENS ON PARKWAY HOMES, AND SWELL.
UH, UM, WHAT, GIVE ME AN, UH, EXPLANATION WHY THOSE DISTINCTIONS WERE MADE.
NO ONE CAN PROVIDE THEM, AND THIS CODE DOES NOT MANDATE THAT THOSE TYPES OF STANDARDS ARE BUILT INTO THE CODE.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF MODIFYING THE CODE.
NOW, YOU COULD ARGUE WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE PROPER PLACE FOR THE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD IS, BUT EVEN TAKING THAT ASIDE, YOU'RE STILL LEFT WITH THE BASIC STANDARD, WHAT, UH, UM, MEASUREMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE TO DETERMINE WHAT'S GET LANDMARK.
NO, YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, NOR CAN I.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DID A MINUTE AGO.
I WANT TO KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AND MAYBE JOE, YOU COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPOND IF THE HISTORIC, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE WOULD DECIDE THAT SAY PARKWAY GARDENS IS A HISTORIC AREA, UM, WOULD THEY HAVE THE ABILITY WITHOUT ANY STANDARDS TO SAY PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR HOMES? AND COULDN'T THAT IMPACT FINANCIALLY EVERYBODY IN AN AREA THAT A FUTURE HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, BOARD COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HISTORIC.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T HAVE UNLIMITED CONTROL OVER YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
BECAUSE MY, MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LOOK AT LEGISLATION AND FOCUS ON WHO'S IN OFFICE NOW.
WE COULD HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE HISTORIC BOARD 10 YEARS FROM NOW, OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TOWN AND COUNTRY SAID PARKWAY GARDENS IS, IS REALLY HISTORIC.
WE WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT WAS IN THE 1950S, AND THEN PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS ON THEIR HOMES.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT.
AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY FEEL THAT, UM, AT LEAST THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD HAVE, UM, AN ADVISORY ROLE.
BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RUSH SOMETHING THROUGH, WE MAY, PEOPLE MAY BE REALLY ANGRY LATER ON, WE CAN MAKE A MISTAKE.
WHAT IS THE EXPERTISE OF THE PLANNING BOARD IN TERMS OF HISTORICAL LAND WORKING? WELL, THE, THE ISSUE THAT I SEE IS, I, I SORT OF FEEL IN MOST CASES, THE PLANNING BOARD PROBABLY WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD.
IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TRULY HISTORIC AND THERE'S SOME RULES AND REGULATORY, WHAT IS THEIR EXPERTISE TO DO THAT THEY DEAL WITH? IF I MAY FINISH YOU, I THINK LET'S NOT GET HUNG UP ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
I THINK A MORE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE IS WHAT, WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS OF THE HISTORICAL YOU'RE GONNA USE? UNDERSTOOD.
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PLANNING BOARD ARE PART OF IT NOW OR NOT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE.
THE HISTORIC LANDMARK AND PRESERVATION BOARD, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS, THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY THEY PICKED GORDON PARK'S HOME AND DID NOT PICK WALTER WINCHESTER'S HOME.
WHY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LANDMARKING PARKWAY GARDENS OF PARKWAY HOME AND NOT CODWELL.
COS WHAT'S COWELL? COWELL CODWELL CODWELL.
THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT NEITHER, NEITHER COULD ANY OF YOU, IF I, IF I MAY, UM, UH, GARRETT DECANE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THAT IS FINE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I COULD PROBABLY RESPOND TO THE SUPERVISOR'S
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QUESTION, BUT I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DUANE WOULD BE WELL VERSED IN THIS.UM, SO I'LL LET GARRETT GO FIRST AND I MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, QUICKLY IDENTIFY THAT CHAPTER 2 35 5 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, I'M SORRY.
THE TOWN CODE CODE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS ENTITLED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN LANDMARKS.
AND IN SECTION B, IT IDENTIFIES THE SIX CRITERIA WHEN IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, UH, DESIGNATE A STRUCTURE BUILDING OBJECT OR SITE AS A LANDMARK.
AND THEN SECTION C IDENTIFIES WHAT CHARACTERISTICS MUST BE POSSESSED TO IDENTIFY AN AREA AS HIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED TO BUILD THAT CASE, WHICH THEN MAKES ITS WAY TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR AN ULTIMATE DECISION.
SO THE LOCAL LAW IS, IS RATHER SHORT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TOUCH UPON MANY OF THE SECTIONS OF 2 35.
IT'S REALLY FOCUSED MOSTLY ON THE, THE MEMBERSHIP AND ON THE SMALL PIECE ON THE PROCESS.
SO THEREFORE, THESE SECTIONS ARE NOT IN THE LAW.
THE LAW JUST SIMPLY COVERS THE SECTIONS OF 2 35 THAT ARE PROPOSED TO CHANGE.
BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO CRITERIA ABOUT WHEN TO NOMINATE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR A, A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I JUST DID WANT TO CALL EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
THAT CHAPTER TWO THIRTY FIVE IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE IN THAT REGARD.
AND THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM THAT PROFESSOR GREEN POINTED OUT.
OUR LAW IN AND OF ITSELF IS ADEQUATE, BUT THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK BOARD DON'T PUT THE PROCEDURES IN PLACE OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE LAW.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM, NOT THE LAW ITSELF IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, AND THAT'S THE KEY.
UM, I, I I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID COULD BE APPLIED TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BOARDS OF THIS TOWN.
YEAH, BUT OR ANY THAT NOW YOU HAVE EXACTLY.
YOU HAVE THE EMPLOYEES, YOU HAVE BUILDING CODES MM-HMM
BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS PROCEDURES MM-HMM
TO IMPLEMENT THE BUILDING CODE.
THAT'S THE, THIS, THE HISTORICAL BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE MR. HUGH SCHWARTZ.
UM, I SAW A CHARACTER SAID, I ALSO TALKED TO THE HISTORY WITH, UH, PROFESSOR GREEN WAS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, ACTUALLY INVITED HIM TO A MEETING AND INVITED TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND HISTORIC BOARD MEMBERS TO A MEETING.
AND HE SPECIFICALLY SAID THE STANDARDS WEREN'T, WEREN'T GONNA BE APPLIED.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, JOY, WHEN SOMETHING COMES BEFORE THE, THE PLANNING BOARD, FOR INSTANCE, THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WE GO DOWN A CHECKLIST WHEN THINGS HAVE GOTTEN PRESENTED TO US BY, BY THE HISTORIC BOARD, THAT HAS NEVER EVER HAPPENED.
JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING SAID, I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING BY ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, WELL, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE ISSUE IN 17 YEARS.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT ONE ISSUE WAS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE IF THE PLANNING BOARD HADN'T INTERVENED, THIS TOWN WOULD'VE BEEN UP FOR UP FOR LITIGATION.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY DID NOT EVEN PRESENT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TILL IT WAS IN CLOSING.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE ONLY ONLY PROPERTY THAT THAT, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD TO INTERVENE ON.
WE HAD TO INTERVENE ON MACY ON MACY AVENUE, WHICH THERE WAS ONE HOUSE.
IT WAS A HOUSE FROM THE 1950S.
I THINK SHE MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN MODEL IN THE UNITED STATES, OR AT LEAST THE FIRST VERY SUCCESSFUL ONE.
AND THEY WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN.
I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN.
IT HAD NO ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO FINALLY THE PLAINTIFF BOARD DID GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
WHAT WE DID WAS HE MARKED THE AREA.
SO THERE WAS ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGES WHO LIVED ON THAT PROPERTY BEFORE, BUT THE HOUSE IS GONE.
AND, AND THE SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT.
THERE WAS A HOUSE THAT THEY NEVER DECLARED WAS HISTORIC UNTIL SUMMER DECIDED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.
THE, THE PERSON WHO WAS SUBDIVIDED THE PROPERTY ALSO, I BELIEVE WAS IN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY SOMEWHERE, WANTED TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE AND WAS PLANNING TO RESTORE IT.
UH, THEY GAVE THEM ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS TO THE POINT
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OF ACTUALLY DEMANDING THAT ANYTHING TAKEN OUT OF THE HOUSE, THAT THE HISTORIC BOARD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHERE THE STUFF WAS DONATED.THERE WERE SEVERAL HOUSES, WALTER WINCHELL BEING ONE OF THEM.
UM, THE CARVAL BEING ANOTHER, AS WALTER SAID, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DE DESIGNATED.
THERE'S A LARGE, UH, I GUESS IT WAS A HOTEL AT ONE POINT IN EDGEMONT AND COTS WALL AREA THAT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNATED.
THE ONLY THING PROTECTING THAT NOW IS THAT MIKE SIEGEL BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
IT'S THE ONLY THING PROTECTING THAT PROPERTY, BUT IT PROBABLY HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF MISTAKES AND THE PLANNING BOARD DOES HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERTISE, UM, THAN, THAN THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE WE HEAR LAND USE, UH, THINGS ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE REALTORS ON OUR BOARD.
WE HAVE LAWYERS, LAWYERS ON OUR BOARD.
WE DO UNDERSTAND, UH, WE DID, I'M NOT ON THE BOARD ANYMORE, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD DOES UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THINGS LIKE THIS ARE.
AND THINGS LIKE CHANGING OVER PARKWAY GARDENS TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT COULD HAVE A HUGE NEGATIVE IMPACT IN THOSE PEOPLE.
PROBLEM IS WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE PROGRAM.
YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA IMPOSE THIS ON SOMEBODY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE GRANT MONEY FOR THEM.
YOU HAVE NO WAY OF GETTING THEM GRANT MONEY.
THEY MAY GET GRANT MONEY, BUT THEY HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE THEMSELVES.
SO WE HAVE A HALF OF A PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.
ALL WE'RE ASKING, AND I AGREE WITH WALTER, IF THE PLANET, IF IF YOU WANT TO GIVE, UH, ANOTHER 24 HOURS A DAY OF WORK TO GARRETT, GO RIGHT AHEAD AND DO THAT.
AND IF THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO TAKE ON A HUNDRED RESPON, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT RESPONSIBILITY AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR, YOUR PREROGATIVE.
BUT PLEASE DON'T PASS THE LAW THE WAY IT IS.
STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THIS LAW.
AND, AND ALSO, THE ONE THING ELSE I WANNA SAY, AND JUNE, I THINK YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THIS.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
OUR LAW DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO.
ANY HOUSE, ANY HOUSE OVER 50 YEARS OLD IS SUBJECT TO THIS LAW UNDER A LAW.
SO PLEASE JUST PUT THIS OVER, PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT A LAW THAT WORKS.
I WANNA PRESERVE THESE HOMES TOO.
I LIVE IN A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOME.
AND I'M SPENDING TIME TRYING TO RESTORE IT RATHER THAN TEAR OUT THE WINDOWS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND I LOVE TO, TO SEE THOSE THAT, THAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE PRESERVE IT.
AND THIS, THIS LAW RIGHT NOW IS A GIANT STEP BACKWARDS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY.
TO YOUR POINT, YOU, YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL.
BUT WHAT GIVES THE PLANNING BOARD THE KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW THE HISTORICAL VALUE.
FOR INSTANCE, THE HOUSE THAT YOU MENTIONED FOR THE MODEL, THE FIRST, PERHAPS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN MODEL IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAS, HAS, THAT MAY HAVE HAD HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AS OPPOSED AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
AS OPPOSED TO ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
BECAUSE YOU, YOU PREFACED WHAT YOU SAID WITH THE, THE FACT THAT IT HAD NO ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AS IF THAT WAS THE REASON THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE MAINTAINED.
I, I JUST TO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR INTENTIONS MIGHT BE GOOD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR, UM, EXPERTISE IS ANY GREATER.
I'M NEVER ON THE PLANNING BOARD, BOARD BOARD, UH, COUNCILWOMAN.
SO I HAVE NO TO GO ON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND I DON'T REALLY CARE IF YOU DECIDE TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM THEM.
ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD HISTORICALLY, AND I GUARANTEE THIS NEW BOARD WILL DO THE SAME THING WE DID.
WE'VE RESEARCHED THINGS GREATLY.
WE BECAME EXPERTS ON BATTERY STORAGE.
WELL, I KNOW AT THE RISK OF WE'VE GONE OVER THE FIVE MINUTES AND I ANSWERING APPRECIATE ATE THAT.
I HAVE A RIGHT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SOLICIT IT.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I DON'T CARE AT THIS POINT WHO THE BOARDS ARE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
ALL I'M SAYING AT THIS POINT IS STEP BACK, LOOK AT THE ENTIRE LAW, LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT COULD BE IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
LOOK AT THE INCONSISTENCIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, AND JUST TAKE THE TIME AND WRITE A GOOD STRONG LAW.
WE HAVE THE BEST BATTERY STORAGE LAW IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE EVERYBODY TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE THAT LAW.
OKAY? THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE.
'CAUSE YOU COULD HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS, THANK YOU.
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OF FAIL IS THAT IF WE GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD ADDITIONAL EYES, YOU KNOW, AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THERE'S LESS OF A CHANCE OF A MISTAKE.UH, YOU KNOW, SO THE THING IS, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF THE HISTORIC COURT IS GONNA MAKE, UH, SOME DECISIONS AND THEY'RE WRONG, YOU CAN'T GO BACK ONCE A, A HOUSE IS YOU, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY MAKE A MISTAKE ON THE OTHER HAND PLANNING BOARD, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR WHATEVER, THERE'S REALLY NO MAJOR, THERE'S NO MAJOR, UH, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACT BY LETTING THE PLANNING BOARD GIVE THE TOWN BOARD AND EVERYBODY, UM, THEIR THEIR OPINION AND TO ANALYZE THIS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TIMELY.
NO, I'M SAYING I THINK THAT WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IS WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, MODIFIED THE LAW AND GIVEN THE PLANNING BOARD TWO MONTHS, LIKE TWO MONTHS TO, UH, TO REVIEW IT AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND THEN THAT TIMELINE WOULD HAVE TO BE, THAT TIMELINE WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED WITH THE HISTORICAL NO, I, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT VOTE ON IT TODAY AND WE ASK, UH, NOT VOTE ON THE LEGISLATION TODAY.
AND WE ASK, UM, IF THERE COULD BE SOME MEETING WITH A PLANNING BOARD AND, UM, AND, UH, THE HISTORIC BOARD, AND THEN MAYBE THEY COULD COME UP WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS IN, IN THE LEGISLATION.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF, UM, THE HISTORIC BOARD AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WOULD SAY ALL THE PARKWAY GARDENS IS NOW RESTRICTED, UM, AS TO WHAT THEY COULD DO THAT'S GONNA HAVE A FINANCIAL, BUT THEN IT'S THE HISTORICAL BOARD ALREADY WEIGH IN ON THIS.
I DIDN'T, BUT DIDN'T THEY WEIGH ON IT ON THIS? I COULD.
SO WHAT WE ARE HEARING IS THAT THERE MAY BE A REASON TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CODE AS TO WHAT, WHAT, UH, THE CRITERIA ARE FOR DESIGNATING A PROPERTY AS A LANDMARK.
WHAT'S BEFORE US IS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD TO HAVE A QUORUM AND WHAT THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE.
AND FOUR OR FIVE TIMES I'VE HEARD TONIGHT THE STATEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESENTATION BOARD DECIDES SOMETHING IS HISTORIC, THEY DON'T GET TO DO THAT.
WE GET TO DO THAT AS A TOWN'S OR THE BUCK STOPS WITH US.
SO ALL OF THE FEARS AND PEOPLE WILL COME OUT.
'CAUSE WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE MAY HAVE MANY NIGHTS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND HERE, INCLUDING FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK, UH, REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT.
BUT FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT SOME CREDENCE TO WHAT STAFF IS TELLING US.
AND IT'S THE STAFF THAT'S TELLING US THAT THIS PROCESS IS A BETTER PROCESS.
WHERE IT GOES FROM THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING WILL EVALUATE THAT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND THE TOWN BOARD WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHEN WE KEEP TAKING A DETOUR AND INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEFORE US, AND INSTEAD TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CODE, TO ME THAT'S A RED HERRING.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE CODE THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT AND TAKE UP, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY LIKELY PROBABLY THE OTHER SECTION OF THE CODE, UH, REGARDING STANDARDS.
AND, AND I JUST WANNA ADD ONE COMMENT, NOT TO MENTION, AND, AND I DO TAKE BOTH YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY, BUT WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY HEARD FROM THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON THIS ISSUE.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
WE HAVE ONE SITTING RIGHT THERE.
NO, WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ANYONE.
SO MS. JUDITH BELL, GOOD EVENING TOWN BOARD AND RESIDENTS OF TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, AGAIN, I ASKED THE TOWN CLERK TO, UH, RESPECT PROTOCOL AND INTRODUCE ME AS, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND
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FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE INTRODUCED.THEREFORE, I AM THE HONORABLE JUDITH A VILLE.
UH, I GREW UP IN PARKWAY HOMES, UH, AND PARKWAY GARDENS.
UM, THE HOME I LIVE IN IS OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
AND, UM, UH, IIII READ THIS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW CHANGE, UM, REVISIONS IN THE LOCAL LAW PRIOR TO THESE REVISIONS.
UM, ANY HOMEOWNER WHOSE HOUSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HISTORIC LANDMARK HAD TO AGREE TO THAT DESIGNATION.
WHAT THESE CHANGES ARE PROPOSING TO DO WAS TO APPLY A BLANKET, UM, UH, LABELING OR CATEGORIZATION OF A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS RESIDENTS OF PARKWAY HOMES AND PARKWAY GARDENS, UM, DOES, WOULD THIS APPLY, THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION APPLY TO PARKWAY HOMES AS WELL AS PARKWAY GARDENS? UM, AND, UH, IF NOT, WHAT, WHAT CRITERIA OR WHAT DETERMINES OR DESIGNATES ONE COMMUNITY OR THE OTHER AS A HISTORIC SITE AND NOT THE OTHER.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, ANY STUDY OR ANY SURVEY ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT MAY BE OVER, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS OLD IN BOTH COMMUNITIES? WHAT IS THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEING USED TO DESIGNATE EITHER PARKWAY GARDENS, UM, AS A HISTORIC SITE, UH, AND NOT PARKWAY HOMES OR, OR BOTH COMMUNITIES ARE RESIDENTS AWARE OF WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS MIGHT BE WITH, UH, TO THEIR HOMES WITH SUCH DESIGNATIONS? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, VERY POMPOUS, VERY ELITIST AND SPEAKS TO, UM, UH, UH, THE ROOTS OF SYSTEMIC RACISM FOR A COMMITTEE OF THE TOWN THAT, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD HAS NO BLACK PEOPLE OR PEOPLE OF COLOR ON IT.
IF IT DOES, IT'S JUST, IT'S RECENT TO DECIDE, UM, A DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY WITHOUT BRINGING THE RESIDENTS TOGETHER OF BOTH COMMUNITIES AND, AND HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT SUCH DESIGNATION WOULD MEAN.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SMACKS OF THE HOUSE NEGRO AND THE FIELD NEGRO SYNDROME, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE DECIDING WHO THE, UH, UM, WHO SHOULD RECEIVE A MORE FAVORABLE DESIGNATION AND, AND WHO SHOULD NOT.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES HERE THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AND NEED TO BE RE RESOLVED.
UM, BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS LAW IS ADOPTED, UM, I I ASK THAT THE BOARD HOLD OVER CD ONE AND, UM, THAT THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS, UH, CIVIC ASSOCIATION LEADERS AND RESIDENTS OF BOTH COMMUNITIES TO, TO COME TOGETHER AND, UM, AND HEAR WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE, UM, WITH SUCH DESIGNATION.
I'M NOT SURE I'M FINISHED HERE.
UM, AND ALSO, WHO IS TO SAY THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE COMMUNITY WITH SIDE STREETS OFF OF MANHATTAN AVENUE ARE NOT, IT'S NOT A HISTORIC SITE.
THAT COMMUNITY, MANY OF THE HOMES WERE BUILT BY THE, WITH THE BARE HANDS OF BLACK MEN WHO MOVED HERE, RELOCATED HERE TO THIS AREA FROM THE SOUTH AND FROM VARIOUS OTHER PARTS OF, OF, OF THE COUNTRY, AND, AND, AND BUILT THOSE HOUSES.
AND PARKWAY AND PARKWAY HOMES.
MANY OF THE HOUSES WERE BUILT BY, UM, AFRICAN-AMERICANS AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHO IS TO SAY? UM, I BELIEVE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, NO, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN APPLICATION OF THE FOREST FOR PARKWAY
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GARDENS OR PARKWAY HOMES TO BE DETERMINED AS A HISTORICAL SITE.IS THERE, DID I MISS THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A FLIGHT OF FANCY THAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING UPON, BUT THE, THE THOUGHT COMMISSIONER, I, SO HOLD ON BEFORE YOU, THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE YOU WERE USING.
LET ME JUST SAY WHEN WE HIT FOR ELLEN, I'M SORRY, EEE EVEN IF THERE WAS AN APPLICATION, NOTHING THAT WE HAVE JUST HEARD FROM THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER IS IN THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO A VOTE ON THIS EVENING.
COMMISSIONER DUQUE IS HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT TOO.
IT KEEPS GOING BACK TO WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE.
UM, BUT THIS, LOOK, THIS, THESE AMENDMENTS DO NOT DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT I JUST SAID BEFORE.
AND THAT IS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS, UH, TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GET A QUORUM AND THEN SPECIFY THAT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT STARTS WITH THE, AND WE HEARD IT AGAIN, THAT'S DARK.
AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD IS GOING TO DESIGNATE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEN GOES TO THE COMMISSIONER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, WHO WE'RE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM.
AND THEY, THAT COMMISSIONER WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SOME OTHER SECTION OF THE CODE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE ONE YOU JUST HIT ON, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE LEGISLATION SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED AS IT'S AS IT'S WRITTEN, AND THAT IS YOU ARE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF, UH, MEMBERS WE HAVEN'T ADVERTISED, UM, FOR NEW MEMBERS.
UH, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE TOWN WHO LOVE HISTORY, UH, WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE ON THE BOARD IF WE MADE AN EFFORT TO, UM, UM, TO, UH, TO ADVERTISE.
YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN SUPERVISED, EVERY TIME I POST SOMETHING ON THE WEB ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS, WE ALWAYS GET, UH, SWAMPED WITH RESUMES AND WE, WE FIND A LOT OF CAPABLE AND QUALIFIED PEOPLE.
SO MY FEELING IS IT DOESN'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T SEE ANY PUBLIC INTEREST THAT'S BEING SERVED BY REDUCING MEMBERSHIP OF A BOARD THAT IS GONNA HAVE SIGNIFICANT POWER OVER PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, LIVES.
SO, UM, AT THE MINIMUM WE SHOULD HOLD OVER THIS LEGISLATION AND, UH, AND ADVERTISE FOR THE POSITION FOR THE VACANCIES, AND THEN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S, UM, SUBMITTING RESUMES.
AND IF WE HAVE, UH, A LOT OF MORE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE PART OF THIS, UH, IMPORTANT COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REDUCING PARTICIPATION.
WE ARE REDUCING PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, AND WE'RE GIVING THEM MORE POWER.
AND THAT IS NOT, UH, DEMOCRACY, IN MY OPINION.
THE, IS THAT THE REALITY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS BECOMING INCREASING SINCE COVID INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO GET A FORUM.
WELL, I COULD GET YOU VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE GOOD.
WE FINISH, I BELIEVE YOU VOTED RECENTLY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UH, CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY ASKED US TO REDUCE THE NUMBER YOU VOTED OR REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE ANTENNA BOARD.
IT'S NOT DECREASING PARTICIPATION, IT'S SIMPLY ADDRESSING MORE PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING, WHETHER YOU HAVE THREE MEMBERS OR FIVE MEMBERS UP ON THE BOARD.
UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, WE KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHAT'S NOT IN WHAT'S BEFORE US.
AND THAT'S THE MAIN POINT I WANTED TO MAKE.
WELL, MAY I THINK THE COMMISSIONER WANTED TO SPEAK, WELL, MAY, UH, LET ME SAY MAYBE IT WAS A MISTAKE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UM, OF PEOPLE ON, ON, ON THESE BOARDS.
UH, BECAUSE MY FAILING IS IF THE TOWN, UM, MADE IT, IF WE MADE A, A MORE AGGRESSIVE EFFORT TO ENLIST MORE VOLUNTEERS, I THINK WE COULD GET IT.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT IF, IF WE HOLD THIS OVER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, THAT I COULD FIND MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A REAL COMMITMENT TO HISTORY, UH, WHO WOULD BE THRILLED TO SERVE IF WE MADE AN EFFORT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, SO I I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO GIMME A CHANCE TO FIND TOP PEOPLE WHO LOVE HISTORY AND HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
THE CHALLENGE I'M HAVING HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE, SO WHY WASN'T, WHY DIDN'T YOU START RECRUITING FOR THIS AND THEN BRING THE PEOPLE? SO FOR THIS ARGUMENT, YOU CAN SAY, I HAVE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE THAT I WANNA ADD TO THE QUORUM SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.
SO YOU, I MEAN, YOU'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS, SO, SO NOW WE WAIT TILL THE NINE OF 'EM, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS.
AND THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION, AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING
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THAT I CAN FIND ALL THESE PEOPLE.SO HOW COME THAT EFFORT WASN'T DONE PRIOR? BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO SOMETIMES NO, SOMETIMES WE DON'T THINK OF, UH, ALL THE NEGATIVES.
WELL, PAUL, YOU JUST SAID NO, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU JUST SAID NO, BUT SAID, I'M SAID NO, BUT YOU SAID THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER, YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER VOTED TO REDUCE THE OTHER COMMITTEES, RIGHT? BUT YOU DID.
AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING NOW THE NIGHT OF THE VOTE WHEN YOU'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS.
SO WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY, HEY, TOWN BOARD, I WANNA GO OUT THERE AND DO AN EFFORT TO TRY TO RECRUIT PEOPLE TO SIT ON THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.
SO NOW YOU WAIT TILL THE NIGHT THAT WE'RE AT THIS, AT THE COMMITTEE, AT THE, AT THE VOTING TIME, AND NOW, NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND YOU CAN FIND ALL THESE PEOPLE.
WELL, WHERE ARE THEY AND WHY ARE THEY, WHY ARE THEY PRESENTED TO US NOW? WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I, MY, I, FIRST OF ALL, JUST BECAUSE WE, WE VOTED MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL FROM LISTENING TO EVERYBODY NOW, I'M REFLECTING ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING NOW.
I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK I MIGHT, WE MIGHT HAVE MADE A MISTAKE BY REDUCING MEMBERSHIP ON, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BOARDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON IN JANUARY, I FEEL ONE WAY DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND A MONTH OR TWO LATER IF I'M GETTING MORE INPUT, BECAUSE I, I SORT OF REALLY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH GOVERNMENT AT, AT EVERY LEVEL, AND PEOPLE ARE, UH, UPSET AT THE EROSION OF DEMOCRACY.
AND THE, THE FACT THAT PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT BEING HEARD.
UM, AND NOT, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST SORT OF FEEL WHEN I'M LISTENING, I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? I REALLY WANT, UM, INVOLVED MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE TOWN, UH, TO ME, IF WE GAVE, GAVE THE PLANNING BOARD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UM, INPUT ON A DEC DECISION OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
IT'S NOT THE, I SEE ZERO DOWN SAW, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVES.
AND I FEEL AT THE, AT THE, I I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, MAYBE THEY'LL COME UP WITH CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS THAT COULD MAKE, ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING, THE NUMBER OF KEY PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST, I JUST BASICALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAY INVOLVE MORE PEOPLE IN, IN OUR TOWN, IF I MAY, AND ENCOURAGE MORE INVOLVEMENT RATHER THAN LESS.
THAT'S WHAT, IF I MAY, THIS IS NOT A BOARD THAT MAKES DETERMINATIONS, THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO HAVING THE GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WOULD MAKE SENSE IF THEY HAD A VOTE.
AND YOU NEEDED THAT BROADER RANGE OF OPINIONS, UM, AND, AND DECISIONS.
THIS IS A GROUP OF DEDICATED PERSONNEL THAT HAVE, THAT CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE, AS COUNCILMAN SHEEN MENTIONED, A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE WILL HAVE SO THAT ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE CAN COME TO COMMENT ON IT AND TO OPINE ACCORDING TO THEIR, THEIR RESPECTIVE KNOWLEDGES.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS TO SAY, IF I MAY.
YOU'VE BEEN DRAWING JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, IN HEARING ABOUT, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE IS NOT AN ACTIVE PROPOSAL OR APPLICATION TO MAKE PARKWAY HOMES AND OR PARKWAY GARDENS, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, HAVING ATTENDED MANY OF THE HISTORIC BOARD MEETINGS, I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE HISTORIC BOARD ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE THAT CAN BE DONE TO HONOR THE HISTORY AND THE LEGACY OF PARKWAY HOMES, PARKWAY GARDENS, WHAT EXACTLY SHAPE OR FORM THAT TAKES IS TO BE DETERMINED.
AND I DO AGREE THAT THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT IS BEST HAD WITH RESIDENTS IN PARKWAY HOMES, PARKWAY GARDENS, THE TOWN BOARD, AND SO ON.
I, I DID WANT TO CLEAR THAT, UM, CLARIFY THAT ASPECT AND, AND JUST QUICKLY ECHO COUNCILMAN SHEENS, UH, PROCESS COMMENTS THAT YES, THIS LOCAL LAW DOES NOT, UM, MODIFY THE PROCESS TO NOMINATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A HISTORIC SITE IN ANY WAY.
THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE LAW.
SO HE, HE EXPLAINED THAT VERY WELL.
BUT I DID WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE ALARM IN THE PARKWAY, HOMELESS PARKWAY GARDENS COMMUNITY, THAT THERE'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S, THAT'S ONGOING AND IT'S GONNA BE BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD ANYTIME SOON.
IF IT DOES BECOME AN IDEA AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I WILL DO MY BEST TO REACH OUT BROADLY TO RESIDENTS AND MAKE THEM A PART OF THE PROCESS AND HEAR THEIR VOICES EARLY ON.
AND THEIR VOICES WILL BE HEARD WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD WHO HAS PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO THAT WE DON'T COME TO A TOWN BOARD MEETING, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS WILL CERTAINLY INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY EARLY ON IN WHATEVER PLANNING THERE IS IN REGARDING PARKWAY HOMES, PARKWAY GARDENS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, WE
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HAVE MR. HOW SAMIS, BUT WAIT, JOY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'M SORRY.
I, I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING AND I'M GONNA PROBABLY DIFFER FROM WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.
I THINK THAT THREE ON A COMMITTEE IS TOO SMALL NUMBER TO DO ANYTHING.
AND I DO THINK THAT, UM, IF WE CAN DO SOME OUTREACH AND HAVE AT LEAST FIVE, UH, ON THE COMMITTEE, I THINK WE, UM, THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD OF HISTORIC LANDMARK PRESERVATION WHO I KNOW SOME WHO WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UM, LEND THEIR SERVICE.
ESPECIALLY, LET ME JUST FINISH, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT, THAT RABBIT HOLE, IT'S, IT'S BEING REDUCED TO FIVE, YOU JUST SAID REDUCED TO FIVE.
IT'S MY, MY FAULT, ELLEN, THREE.
IT'S GOING FROM SEVEN TO FIVE.
THE COURT, THE COURT WILL BE THREE.
I WAS THINKING REDUCING, WELL, THIS CERTAINLY WASN'T MY ISSUE, BUT, UH, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN OCCASION WHICH REALLY HAPPENS WHEN I HAPPENED TO AGREE WITH MR. SCHWARTZ
UM, YOU HAVE A PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD, I BELIEVE 16 OR 17 MEMBERS, THEY SPEND MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS OR ADVISE ON HOW THEY SHOULD BE SPENT.
AND YET THEIR MEETINGS ARE HELD IN A VERY REMOTE LOCATION, NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND NOT BROADCAST, THEREFORE NOT ARCHIVED.
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BOARD.
NOW, BACK TO MY USUAL, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS THANK YOU.
THIS IS PART OF A PACKET I GAVE YOU THREE MEETINGS AGO, AND THIS IS A SHORT VERSION, BUT ON GIVING IT TO HIM, I'LL LEAD YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M NOT QUOTING ANYTHING CORRECTLY FROM THE PAGES I'VE GIVEN HIM.
THE FIRST PAGE IS THE COVER SHEET OF THE CONTRACT THAT YOU SIGNED, MR. WEINER.
AND IT SAYS, INSTALLATION OF NOR NOR NEW SIDEWALK ON NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE FROM WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE TO CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS, PREPARED BY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THE SECOND PAGE IS FROM THAT CONTRACT, AND IT'S PREPARED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
AND IT SAYS, FROM WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE TO CENTRAL AVENUE, IT SAYS THE DISTANCE OF 0.47 MILES, WHICH IS THE LENGTH OF NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AND THEN THE RIGHT, IT SHOWS A ROUTE MAP OF THE SIDEWALK WITH NO BREAK IN THE MIDDLE.
THE NEXT PAGE IS CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION.
UH, THE LAST ONE, IT'S SIGNED BY AARON HARWOOD, WHO IS THE PROJECT ENGINEER.
AND IF YOU NOTICE ON THE LEFT IT SAYS NET CHANGE ORDERS ZERO AGAIN ON THE BOTTOM ZERO, NO CHANGE ORDERS.
AND THE LAST PAGE IS A PRESENTATION SLIDE, WHICH WAS CONDUCTED BY AARON.
AARON HARWOOD, A ASSISTANT ENGINEER NEW, SOMEWHAT NEW TO THE TOWN.
AND, UM, CHRIS GERARDO, AT THAT TIME, HE WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS INTO HIS EMPLOYMENT WITH THE TOWN, YET HE'S REPRESENTING EVENTS WHICH HAPPENED WHOLLY IN 2023.
THE PRESENTATION WAS OCTOBER, 2024.
AND ON THIS SLIDE IT SAYS, UM, COST SAVINGS DUE TO UNUSED MISCELLANEOUS ADDITIONAL WORK AND NOT RELOCATING THE EXISTING HYDRANT, THE EXISTING HYDRANT WOULD'VE COST $7,500.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE MOVED THE HYDRANT IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU WEREN'T GONNA TAKE IT OUT OF THE PATH OF THE SIDEWALK YOU DIDN'T BUILD? IT'S NOT HARMING ANYONE.
WHAT DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS PAGE IS THE $63,000 ADDRESSING THE ROCK EXCAVATION.
SO THE QUESTION IS, AND I DIRECT THIS TO YOU, MR. DANKO, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE TOWN ATTORNEY, YOU ARE A LICENSED ATTORNEY, YOU'VE PASSED THE BAR,
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YOU ARE OFFICER OF THE COURT, YOU ARE EMPLOYED AS THE TOWN ATTORNEY.BUT WHAT YOU DO FOR THE TOWN IS RATHER UNCLEAR BECAUSE HERE I'VE BROUGHT TO YOU CONSIDERABLE DOCUMENTATION OF SOMETHING THAT WENT ON, AND I ESTIMATED A VALUE OF $200,000 OF THE TOWN OVERPAID FOR WORK NOT PERFORMED.
AND I ASK YOU, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE OTHER THAN BE PART OF A COVERUP? I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE DISCUSSES.
AND GUESS WHAT, TOMORROW YOU HAVE A WORK SESSION, WHICH YOU HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA FROM FIVE 30 TO SIX O'CLOCK COMMEMORATING A FLOOR AT THE, UH, THEODORE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
WHAT A PERFECT TIME FOR US ALL TO GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THIS.
NOW, AT THAT PRESENTATION ON OCTOBER, UBER, GINA JACKSON LOVED AARON HARWOOD WANTED TO MAKE HIM HERO.
EVERYONE WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE JUNO HILL SIDEWALK IN THE AREA WHERE SHE LIVED.
BUT I HASTEN TO SAY THAT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T GIVE MUCH OF AN IMPRESSION OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE ASKED IF YOU HAD ASKED THEM ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ON WEST HARSDALE AVENUE THAT ISN'T THERE.
WE HAVE THE SAME THEY NEED FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AS ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN.
SO I BELIEVE THAT DIDN'T C JAY RESPOND TO HOW, WASN'T THERE EMAIL? BUT WE'VE RESPONDED MANY TIMES OVER TIME.
THERE WAS, SO THERE WAS AN EXTENSIVE EMAIL THAT CJ OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, RESPONDED TO YOU ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT RESPONSE THAT HE GAVE, WHICH WAS REALLY EXTENSIVE.
CAN WE POST THAT SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND? I HAVEN'T GOT IT SINCE HE'S CLEARLY DID IT NOT DID, IS IT INTERNAL? WOULD HE UNDER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WAS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE PRESENTATION OR THERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL TIMES.
YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW WE, I KNOW WE'RE ADDRESSED THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, AND SO THERE WAS A PRESENTATION, WE DID A WORK SESSION.
THERE WAS RESPONSES TO YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD.
I'M JUST, WE NEED TO POST THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND IT'S BEEN ANSWERED, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN TO ME.
SO, AND MR I'LL MAKE SURE I'VE APPEALED THE FOIL DECISION THAT I'VE ASKED FOR, NOT AGAINST, AND HE SAID THIS, I'VE GOT ALL THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE TOWN, OKAY.
DOCUMENTS THAT I WOULD WELCOME BECAUSE IT WOULD SUPPORT YOUR POSITION, BUT I'VE NEVER RECEIVED THEM.
SO WE
ACCORDING TO FOIL LAW, YOU EITHER HAVE TO GIVE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHY INFORMATION WAS NOT SHARED OR SHARED, OR REMAINING DOCUMENTS WHICH THE TOWN HAS DONE.
YOU SAID THAT YOU SUPPLIED ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
WELL, YOU HAVEN'T, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE THIS INTERNAL MEMO, YOUR FOIL WAS DATED, A SPECIFIC DATE, IF SOMETHING WAS DRAFTED, I SAID ALL OF 2022 AND THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2023, THAT'S, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO.
WHAT ARE WE REFERRING TO? A RECENT EMAIL PR LIKELY, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I HAVE TO SPEAK TO COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON.
SO, SO WE'LL SHARE THE INFORMATION.
WE'VE ALREADY SAID THAT, SO WE NEED TO GET THAT, WE NEED TO GET THAT OUT TO HIM.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE NICE TO GIVE ME INFORMATION THAT I'VE REQUESTED SO I WOULDN'T BE WASTING MY TIME STANDING HERE.
BUT, BUT, BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU BEGINNING IS THE FRONT RESPONSES THAT WE'VE, THIS IS THE FRONT PAGE.
WOULD YOU LISTEN FOR A MOMENT? BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNCILWOMAN HAS AN, HAS A, A RESPONSE TO YOU.
WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? NO, I'M JUST SAYING THE RESPONSES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SAME RESPONSES THAT WE HAD GIVEN TO YOU IN OUR PRESENTATION AND THAT WE HAVE GIVEN TO YOU IN PRIOR EMAILS AND WHAT THE FLOOR HAS GIVEN TO YOU THAT WE RESPONDED TO YOU.
SO THE EMAIL THAT I'M RESPONDING TO, I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT COPY GETS TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER VERSION, SAME VERSION AGAIN.
SO IT'LL BE ANOTHER FIFTH TIME THAT WE ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I DON'T WANNA GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE ARE SAYING IT WOULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE THAT EMAIL WAS VERY THOROUGH.
DO YOU DENY, DO YOU DENY THAT THIS DOCUMENT EXISTS? I DID NOT.
SO THIS IS THE CONTRACT THAT MR. FINE HAS SIGNED AND IT SAYS FROM WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE TO CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND THE SECOND PAGE, WHICH I'VE TOLD HIM TO LOOK AT AS WELL, IS FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE FROM EMAIL FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING DENYING WHAT THEY PUT IN THE CONTRACT.
ARE WE BEYOND FIVE MINUTES? I SAY THAT, YES.
CAN WE HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER? WELL, YOU HAD A DIALOGUE BEFORE THAT WENT ON CONSIDERABLY.
EVERYBODY TOLD AND WE JUST HAD A DIALOGUE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
[ TB 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution authorizing the Town Supervisor to execute a Collective Bargaining Agreement between CSEA Local 1000 AFSCME AFL-CIO, Westchester Local 860, Town of Greenburgh Unit and the Town of Greenburgh for the period January 1, 2023 through December 31, 2026]
TOWN BOARD RESOLUTION, UM, TV ONE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TOWN SUPERVISOR TO EXECUTE IT COLLECTIVELY.UH, CAN WE HOLD THAT OVER RESPECTFULLY? OKAY.
WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
LET'S GO OVER, OKAY, HOLD OVER.
[ TB 2 - 12/16/2024 Resolution of the Town Board of the Town of Greenburgh adopting the 2025 Preliminary Budget as modified by "Slip Sheet" changes agreed to by the Town Board, to be called, upon adoption, the Adopted Budget for Fiscal Year 2025]
YES.RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ADOPTING THE 2025 TB TWO PRELIMINARY BUDGET AS MODIFIED BY
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SLIP SHEET CHANGES AGREED TO BY THE TOWN BOARD TO BE CALLED UPON ADOPTION OF ADOPTED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.AND THIS IS TB TWO, RIGHT? TB TWO.
[ TB 3 - 12/16/2024 Resolution of the Town Board of the Town of Greenburgh adopting the 2025 Capital Budget and 2026-2027 Capital Plan]
AYE.RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN OF GREENBURG ADOPTING THE 2025 CAPITAL BUDGET AND 2026 2027 CAPITAL PLAN.
[ TB 4 - 12/16/2024 Resolution ratifying the appointment of Frank Morabito as Deputy Commissioner of Public Works for a term beginning February 18, 2024 ]
AYE.I I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT TB FOUR.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK FRANK'S, YOU KNOW, DONE A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB AS, UM, IN HIS CAPACITY AS DEPUTY COMMISSIONER LAST YEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY SAID THAT IT WAS GONNA BE TEMPORARY UNTIL THE COMMISSIONER, UM, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS AS WELL IN THE WAREHOUSE CLAUSE.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST REAFFIRMING THIS.
THE SALARY IS THE SAME? CORRECT.
TB FOUR RESOLUTION APPROVED RATIFYING THE APPOINTMENT OF FRANK BARBIDO AS DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PUBLIC WORKS FOR A TERM BEGINNING FEBRUARY 18TH, 2024.
[ AT 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution authorizing tax certiorari settlement with petitioner E&D Machinery Inc. for property located at 18 Southside Avenue. The Town’s share of the refund is $64±; the County’s share is $478; the No. Yonkers Sewer District’s share is $74±; the Hastings-on-Hudson Union Free School District’s share is $2,931±. Refunds from all sources total $3,548±.]
FAVOR? AYE.RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TAX SEARCH.
ONE A T ONE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TAX TERTIARY SETTLEMENT WITH PETITIONER ED MACHINERY INCORPORATED FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 18 SOUTH SIDE AVENUE.
CAN I ASK THAT YOU, UH, PROVE IT AS AMENDED TO JUST INCLUDE THE REFUND SOURCES? UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T ROLL OVER FROM THE RESOLUTION ITSELF TO THE HEADING, UH, REFUNDS FROM ALL SOURCES TOTAL $3,548 AND THAT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE RESOLUTION.
YEAH, JOE, I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.
I MEAN, THE, THE RESOLUTION IS CORRECT.
IT JUST DIDN'T BRING OVER THE TOTALS AT THE BOTTOM.
SO JUST FOR ANYONE WOULD'VE PRINT OUT RIGHT NOW WHO MAY NOT SEE THAT, THAT IT WILL BE RIGHT.
SO ACCURATELY SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE VOTING ON, ON THE RESOLUTIONS AS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, EVERY ONE OF 'EM.
AND THAT ONE, THE RESOLUTION DOES HAVE THE TOTALS THAT YOU SEE THERE.
OH, IF YOU, I, I COULD ACTUALLY, ARE WE DOING PB TWO RIGHT NOW? YES.
SO LET ME DO THAT SINCE I KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
UH, BUT THERE'S THE MOTION FROM FALL.
I'D LIKE AUTHORIZING TAXER SHARING SETTLEMENT WITH PETITIONER E AND D MACHINERY INC.
FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 18 SOUTH SIDE AVENUE TOWN SHARE.
THE NORTH YONKERS SEWER DISTRICT SHARE IS $74.
AND THE HASTINGS ON HUDSON, UH, UNION FREE SCHOOL DISTRICT SHARE IS $2,931.
REFUNDS FROM ALL SOURCES ARE $3,548.
[ AT 2 - 12/16/2024 Resolution authorizing tax certiorari settlement with petitioner Woodbrook Gardens Corp. for property located at 140 N. Broadway. The Town’s share of the refund is $2,259±; the County’s share is $14,782±; the No. Yonkers Sewer District’s share is $2,938±; the Irvington Union Free School District’s share is $107,814±. Refunds from all sources total $127,792±]
A 82, UH, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TAX SETTLEMENT WITH PETITIONER WOODBROOK UH, GARDENS COURT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE 40 NORTH BROADWAY.I'D LIKE, UH, REFUNDS FROM ALL SOURCES TOTAL.
[ CL 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution awarding bid to Graphic Image Inc., the lowest bidder, for the Printing and Typesetting of the Town of Greenburgh’s Spring/Summer 2025 and Fall/Winter 2025/2026 Guides to Programs, Activities and Services, for an amount not to exceed $19,000]
CE ONE RESOLUTION AWARDING BID.TWO GRAPHIC IMAGE INCORPORATED FOR THE PRINTING AND TYPE SETTING OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, SPRING SUMMER 2025 AND FALL WINTER 2025.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO AMEND THIS BASED ON NO, NO.
UH, ACTUALLY I SPOKE TO JOE LUC CASEY, THIS IS THE CUT DOWN VERSION.
WE USED TO SPEND LOTS MORE MONEY ON THAT.
ONCE WE WENT ONLINE, WE CUT IT DOWN TO 19,000, BUT WE HELD IT ALL FOR GOOD REASON BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.
WAIT, DID SECOND THIS ONE SECOND ONE? NO, ONE SECOND.
[ CL 2 - 12/16/2024 Resolution scheduling a Public Hearing for Wednesday, January 8, 2025 at 7:30 PM, to consider a Local Law amending the Code of the Town of Greenburgh with the addition of a new Chapter 238 entitled, "Processing Restrictions,"]
AYE.UM, UH, RESOLUTION SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 8TH AT SEVEN 30 TO CONSIDER A LOCAL LAW AMENDING CODE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WITH THE ADDITION OF NEW CHAPTER 2 38 ENTITLED PROCESSING RESTRICTIONS.
[ CD 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution adopting a Local Law amending Chapter 235 of the Code of the Town of Greenburgh, entitled “Historic Districts and Landmarks,” as it relates to the composition of the Historic & Landmarks Preservation Board and as it relates to various aspects of historic districts and landmarks]
ANYBODY WANT TO, UM, MAKE THE MOTION FOR CD ONE? BECAUSE, UM, VOTING NO CD ONE RESOLUTION ADOPTING LOCAL LAW AMENDING CHAPTER 35 OF THE CODE OF TOWN 2 35, 2 35, EXCUSE ME, 2 35 OF THE CODE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ENTITLED HISTORICAL DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS AS IT RELATES TO THE COMPOSITION OF THE HISTORICAL LANDMARKS OF PRE, UH, PER PRESERVATION BOARD AND AS ITS RELATES TO ITS VARIOUS ASPECT IN ITS HISTORICAL DISTRICTS AND LANDMARK.I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT SECOND, YOUR HONOR, I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA MENTION, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, ON VOTING, NO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REDUCE THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF THE QUORUM REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE SHOULD, UH, DEPRIVE THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH HAS DEVOTED ALL THE MEMBERS, DEVOTE, YOU KNOW, EVERY, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY HOURS EVERY WEEK, UH, REVIEWING LAND USE ISSUES.
AND I, I I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PART OF, UM, THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
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SO I'D RATHER, UM, OR ON THE SIDE OF PROVIDING MORE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT RATHER THAN LESS.[ CO 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution authorizing Fiscal Year 2024 budget transfers]
AUTHORIZING FISCAL YEAR 2024.[ PR 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution accepting a $2,500 donation from the Metropolis Country Club Foundation, represented by Natalie Robinson, to be used for financial assistance to supplement fees for qualified applicants attending Department of Parks and Recreation Summer Day Camps]
AYE.RESOLUTION ACCEPTING $2,500 DONATION FROM METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB FOUNDATION REPRESENTED BY NATALIE ROBINSON TO BE USED FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO SUPPLEMENT FEES FOR QUALIFIED APPLICANTS ATTENDING DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION SUMMER DAY CAMPS.
SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT SECOND.
[ PO 1 - 12/16/2024 Resolution authorizing the Police Department to go to bid for Medical Supplies to be used in 2025]
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GO TO BID FOR MEDICAL SUPPLIES TO BE USED IN 2025.I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN FORWARD.
JOE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU PUT ON THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS, UH, IN UH, A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BUILDING AND, UH, THAT MY VOTE COUNTS.
IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE, THE LAW AND TOWN CODE.
DO WANNA MAKE ANY ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT OUR UPCOMING WORK SESSIONS OR NOT? WE HAVE A WORK SESSION TOMORROW, SO WE WILL BE PRESENT TOMORROW, RIGHT ABOUT THE NEXT ONE FOR THE YEAR, RIGHT? IS THAT GONNA BE THE LAST ONE FOR THE YEAR? YEAH, WELL WE CAN NOW, YEAH.
AND THEN WE'LL ANNOUNCE THAT FOR AT THE WORK SESSION TOMORROW.
BUT WE DO HAVE, WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION TOMORROW AT FIVE 30.
AND I WILL TRY TO START ON FIVE 30 SHORT.
ALRIGHT, HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
HAVE A GOOD HOLIDAY EVERYBODY.