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EVENING.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS *DRAFT* AGENDA THURSDAY, February 13, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. ]
OF APPEALS.UM, MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE TAKE THE CIRCUIT? YES.
MADAM CHAIR EVE, BUNTING SMITH PRESENT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROLL CALL, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF TEALS WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
WE HAVE TWO CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING CASE 24 32 CELL OLIVIA 20, UH, 2 75 9 JACKSON AVENUE IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.
LOOKING FORWARD, THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE IS ON MARCH 13TH.
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS ACCORDINGLY.
AT THIS SAME TIME, IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING THE CASE THAT IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE HOPEFULLY COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST.
IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD AND ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE BOARD MEETS TO DISCUSS THE CASE.
THE ANYONE PRESENT WHO IS WELCOME TO LISTEN CAN DO SO.
HOWEVER, THE PUBLIC CANNOT BE PERMITTED OR WILL NOT BE PERMITTED, I SHOULD SAY, TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON, ON THE CASE, WE WILL COME BACK TO ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE UNLESS YOU'RE ON ZOOM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ON TONIGHT IS CASE 25 0 2 ZABE, 3 3 3 GLENDALE ROAD.
OKAY, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES.
UH, I'M CHAIRWOMAN AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS BRIAN CROWLEY AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF RAMEN AND MELANIE ZABE, HOMEOWNERS OF 3 3 3 GLENDALE ROAD.
I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN WITH YOU GUYS AS WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH.
I THOUGHT I HAD THIS ALL QUEUED UP.
IS THAT WORKING PROPERLY? YES.
ALL WE DO HAVE RAYMOND AND MELANIE IN ATTENDANCE WITH US VIA ZOOM.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED, UM, ADDITION TO THEIR HOME TO ACCOMMODATE AN INDOOR POOL.
WE ARE GONNA BE, UH, DESCRIBING THE PROJECT.
I'D LIKE YOU TO WALK YOU THROUGH SOME CONTEXT SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PROJECT IS WITHIN, UH, SCARSDALE, UH, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
DESCRIBE TO YOU THE PROGRAM OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
WE ARE HERE SEEKING TWO DIFFERENT RE REQUESTING RATHER TWO DIFFERENT VARIANCES TONIGHT.
ONE FOR PRINCIPAL, PRINCIPAL BUILDING COVERAGE, AND ANOTHER ONE FOR THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA OF THE SITE AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT IN THIS ZONE, UM, YOU WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE 18% COVERAGE FOR THE MAXIMUM, UH, FOR THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL BUILDING COVERAGE, WHICH IS, UH, THE ALLOWABLE IS 18%.
THE EXISTING IS JUST SHY OF THAT.
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SO I ASSUME THAT PREVIOUS RENOVATIONS DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE HOME AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BEFORE YOU FOLKS LIKE I AM TONIGHT.IT CURRENTLY SITS AT 17.97% AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A FIVE POINT, A 5% INCREASE OVER THE ALLOWABLE, WHICH WOULD BRING ITS, WHICH WOULD BE 23.5%, BRING THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA TO 4,813 SQUARE FOOT AS OPPOSED TO THE 36 84, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALLOWABLE 5.5% INCREASE IN THE OVERALL ALLOWABLE.
UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR THE SITE IS 29%, WHICH IS JUST SHY OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET, 5,936.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS A PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION WHERE IT IS ALREADY OVER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE.
IT SITS AT 33.5%, AND WE ARE ASKING TO GO UP ANOTHER 3% TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION.
AND AS I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH AND EXPLAIN TO YOU, WE DID WHAT WE DID, UH, THE BEST WE COULD TO OFFSET THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON THE PROPERTY BY REMOVING EXTENSIVE PATIO AREAS TO MINIMIZE THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THIS REQUEST.
UM, SO JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE, EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHERE WE ARE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY 3 3 3 GLENDALE, UM, ADJACENT TO THE, UM, SUNNYDALE COUNTRY CLUB.
SO YOU COME UP, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT UP ON THE SCREEN.
OH, I SEE WHAT IT'S DOING HERE.
I HAVE TO SHARE MY SCREEN IN A DIFFERENT ROOM.
OKAY, SO HERE'S OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
SO IF YOU COME UP UNDERHILL AND YOU TAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN ON EVANDALE ROAD, GLENDALE IS THE FIRST IMMEDIATE RIGHT, AND HERE IS THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
AND I FIND IT BEST AS PROVIDES A NICE REFERENCE IF WE CAN JUST KIND OF DO A LITTLE GOOGLE, GOOGLE MAPS.
SO UP HERE IS OFF OF GLENDALE.
YOU COME OFF OF GLENDALE COUNTRY CLUB IS OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UNDERHILL.
AND WHEN YOU COME DOWN, THEIR PROPERTY IS, IT LOOKS LIKE A CORNER CONDITION, LIKE A CORNER LOT, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THEY HAD CLARIFIED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AS WE WERE, YOU KNOW, STARTING OUR DESIGN PROCESS.
YOU COME DOWN GLENDALE AND THEIR PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER, AND OUR PROPOSED PROJECT BASICALLY TAKES UP THIS FOOTPRINT OF THE SIDE YARD.
UM, IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE GOING ON OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WORKING, UM, WITH RAMEN AND MELANIE, THIS HOME HERE WAS UNDER PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS, BUT IT'S A VERY, VERY PLEASANT STREET TREE LINED, WHATNOT.
UM, AND THIS IS HOW THE HOUSE SITS TODAY.
IT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN AUGUST OF 2023.
AND, UM, MELANIE, MELANIE UNFORTUNATELY HAS SOME PHYSICAL ISSUES AND, UH, SHE, SHE REQUIRES AQUATHERAPY HYDROTHERAPY, AND SHE'S CURRENTLY DRIVING AN HOUR PLUS EACH WAY OUT TO LONG ISLAND TO GET THAT THERAPY.
SO WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THEM PER PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, THEY ENGAGED WITH US.
AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, TO COME HERE TONIGHT TO SHOW YOU TO, UH, PRESENT OUR PROJECT AND REQUEST OUR VARIANCES.
SO THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTACT AS TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE VILLAGE.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO MY OTHER SCREEN NOW.
AND THE NEXT THING I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU IS A MAILING LIST.
SO EVERYBODY WITHIN THE 250 50 FOOT PROXIMITY OF THE PROPERTY RECEIVED THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT THIS MEETING WAS GOING ON TONIGHT.
AND THEN JUST IN EFFORTS OF BRINGING THIS AT, BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO ATTENTION TO ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, WE WENT AHEAD AND PROVIDED A SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE, UH, TO ALL THOSE SAME PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED A PERSONAL LETTER, AN INTRODUCTORY LETTER TO, UM, THE, TO THE, TO BE A SITE PLAN OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
UM, AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION JUST TO TRY TO, UH, FOSTER SOME SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
THIS IS GLENDALE AND ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORS, UM, THEY RECEIVED THIS SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE.
I COULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS WITH IMAGERY, UH, SITE PLAN,
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JUST TO KIND OF GIVE THEM AN IDEA AS TO WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.UH, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN SPEAKING TO MR. WALDEN.
I BELIEVE HIS NAME WAS WALDMAN.
UH, HE'S THEIR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR RIGHT HERE NEXT DOOR, THREE 15.
AND I HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH HIM JUST EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON ACTUALLY.
UM, HE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE US WITH A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION EARLIER TODAY THAT I THINK, UH, KIRA MAY HAVE DISTRIBUTED TO YOU GUYS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE KINDA SERVED AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S SPOKESPERSON, IF YOU WILL.
HE HAD HAD DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THEM.
AND THE ONLY OBJECTION THAT THE ADDITION THAT THE OTHER SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS SEEMED TO HAVE WAS THE IDEA OF JUST A, YOU KNOW, LACK OF VISUAL SCREENING FOR THE ADDITION.
BECAUSE AS YOU SAW FROM THE STREET SCAPE, ONCE YOU TURN AROUND THAT CORNER, IT'S RELATIVELY OPENED UP.
AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS HAVING THIS LARGE ADDITION ON THE SIDE, NO VISUAL SCREENING OF ANY KIND.
SO OUR RESPONSE TO THAT WAS AN ADDITIONAL EXHIBIT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER HERE, UH, EARLIER TODAY THAT I CAN, UH, BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU.
AND IT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE A COMPLETE LANDSCAPE BELT THAT GOES AROUND THE PROPERTY, PUTS A COUPLE OTHER, THIS WOULD ALL BE A COMBINATION OF EVERGREENS, SHRUBBERY, WHATNOT.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF DECIDUOUS TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY JUST TO KIND OF HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE, UM, HAVE THEIR LOT LOOK A LITTLE MORE SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE NICE TREES IN THE FRONT YARD AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND WHATNOT.
AND A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE IN TERMS. SO THIS FIRST, THIS NUMBER ONE WOULD BE AS IF YOU'RE STANDING WITH YOUR BACK UP AGAINST THE, UH, THE REAR LOT LINE, LOOKING OVER, LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE THIS GREEN BELT SCREENING THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN A SECOND PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE KIND OF FROM THE CORNER LOOKING THIS WAY AT THE BACK, THIS WAY AT THE BACKYARD, AGAIN, WITH JUST MORE GREEN SCREENING ALONG THE ROAD, SIMPLY IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS OTHER THAN THE IMPERVIOUS AREA AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME.
EVERYTHING ELSE RESPECTS ALL THE BULK REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE'S NO SIDE YARD SETBACK, INFRINGEMENTS, BUILDING HEIGHTS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE DID OUR BEST TO MINIMIZE OUR REQUESTS HERE TONIGHT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU WOULD BE, UH, THE PLANS THAT WERE ALSO SUBMITTED.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD GRAPHIC.
SO, UH, THIS IS AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UM, DIAGRAM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
THE BLUE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
THE MAGENTA HERE IN THE BACK IS AN EXISTING, UH, PRETTY EXTENSIVE PATIO AND WALKWAY, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
AND THEN THE GREEN IS THE ADDITION THAT IS BEING PUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
SO LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGES.
WE'RE REMOVING 960 SQUARE FOOT OF PATIO SPACE AND WALKWAY AND ADDING FIFTY, FIFTEEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE BACK.
WE DID THIS TO BASICALLY MINIMIZE THE REQUEST THAT I'M PRESENTING HERE TONIGHT TO YOU TO ONLY BE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 3% OF COVERAGE ON THE SITE.
IF THIS ENTIRE PATIO AND WHATNOT WAS KEPT ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WE'D BE ASKING FOR, UH, MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT.
UM, SO WANTED YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO DO TWO THINGS, MINIMIZE THE REQUEST HERE TONIGHT, AND RESPECT THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY NEIGHBORS, WHICH REALLY REVOLVED AROUND JUST VISUAL SCREENING OF THIS, WHICH WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, RESPOND TO WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT WILL GO AROUND THE PROPERTY.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS WORTH NOTING HERE TONIGHT IS THAT IT TOOK, WE WORKED PRETTY EXTENSIVELY WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD TO RECEIVE THREE OTHER APPROVALS PRIOR TO GETTING THIS AGENDA.
UH, WE STARTED THAT PROCESS BACK IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, AND IT TOOK JULY UP UNTIL THE END OF LAST YEAR TO GET EVERYTHING WORKED OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S CERTAIN, IN TERMS OF OUR STORM WATER MITIGATION MEASURES.
UH, SO JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE WERE TREATING THE SITE AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE, UH, PATIO IN THE REAR BY REQUIREMENT, WE ONLY NEEDED TO OFFSET LESS THAN HALF OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS ADDITION AT A CONCERN OF RUNOFF MEASURES AND JUST THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING WATER ISSUES DURING A LARGE EVENT THAT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, DISCHARGE ONTO NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES AND WHATNOT.
WE'VE INCREASED THE UNDERGROUND STORM CHAMBER SYSTEM ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE SIZE AS TO WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO, UH, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO RESPECT THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS AND THE CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY HAVE RAISED.
TOOK ABOUT FIVE MONTHS OF WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO GET ALL THIS WORKED OUT AND RECEIVE THEIR APPROVALS, WHICH WE DID IT RIGHT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS IN DECEMBER.
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THEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND IT DOES SOUND LIKE THEY HAD DISCUSSION AMONGST THEMSELVES.THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION WAS THIS VISUAL SCREENING AND THIS THEN MR. WALDMAN, THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO HIM, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, SEEMED TO SERVE AS ALMOST THEIR SPOKESPERSON, IF YOU WILL.
AND HE WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT SUBMITTED THE LETTER OF NO OBJECTION EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON.
SO, AGAIN, UM, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME HERE TONIGHT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO RECEIVE FROM EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT WOULD BE THESE TWO VARIANCES.
ONE WOULD BE A FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT VARIANCE OVER THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM BUILDING PRINCIPLE COVERAGE.
AND THEN A, IT'S, IT'S 7.5% OVER THE ALLOWABLE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION, WE'RE ONLY AT, IT'S, IT WOULD ONLY BE A 3% INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAT ARE EXISTING AT THERE TODAY.
SO HOPEFULLY I DID A HAPPY, DECENT JOB EXPLAINING THE SITUATION AND OUTLINING OUR REQUESTS.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF YOU BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE TONIGHT.
WE DO HAVE RAMEN AND MELANIE ON WITH US IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THEM, UH, DIRECTLY.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT YOU FIND OUR APPROACH, UH, LOGICAL AND YOU DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION WITH IT.
UM, 'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS JUST, THIS ENTIRE PROJECT REVOLVES AROUND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, SOME UNFORTUNATE HEALTH CONDITIONS THAT MELANIE SUFFERS FROM AND ALLEVIATE HER FROM HAVING TO DRIVE BACK AND FORTH TO, UH, LONG ISLAND OVER AN HOUR EACH WAY TWICE A WEEK, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE.
I'M, YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
HE KEEPS REFERENCING THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR.
HE KEEPS REFERRING TO ME AS THE OFFICIAL OR UNOFFICIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SPOKESPERSON.
I AM CERTAINLY NOT THAT AT ALL.
I'VE HAD A FEW LIMITED CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS AS ANYBODY WOULD.
I'M NOT THE OFFICIAL UNOFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON I'VE SUBMITTED.
MY ATTORNEY WROTE FOR ME A LETTER OF, UH, NO, NO OBJECTION.
AGAIN, I JUST EMPHASIZE I AM NOT ANYBODY ELSE'S SPOKESPERSON.
SO WHY DID YOU COME THIS EVENING SINCE YOU SENT US THE LETTER? OH, I WAS JUST DRIVING BY.
I, I WISH HE WAS LISTENING IN MY CAR ON THE WAY HOME IN IT, AND I HEARD IT ON THE THING AND I DROVE OVER.
I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO HEAR THIS MYSELF DESCRIBED AS THE OFFICIAL ARTIFICIAL SPOKESPERSON.
I'VE NEVER HELD MYSELF OUT TO BE THAT.
I'M NOT, THAT I SPEAK FOR MYSELF ONLY.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR BROADCAST.
I I I DIDN'T MEAN TO, UH, CALL YOU OUT OR MAKE REFERENCE TO YOU FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT.
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CONVERSATION, THE VERY NICE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER TODAY.
UNDERSTOOD, GLAD AND CLEAR APOLOGIES.
SO, UM, I, MR. WALDMAN HAS MADE IT MOST CLEAR, I APOLOGIZE IF I OVERSTEPPED THERE.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE, JUST EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REACH OUT TO ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THIS AND RESPOND TO ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD.
THAT IS WHERE THE, UH, EXHIBIT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER EARLIER TODAY CAME FROM WITH ALL THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO HELP SCREEN THE PROPOSED EDITION.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I'M, UM, SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA PUT IT UP SURE.
LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OF THE POOL THAT YOU GUYS SUPPLIED.
UM, AND, UH, THIS IS WITH REALLY REGARD TO THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE REQUESTS.
I, I KNOW THAT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, I THINK WE ALL DO THAT.
YOU TRIED TO LIMIT THE ASK ON THE INCREASE MM-HMM
UM, BUT THE POOL DOESN'T ACTUALLY TAKE ALL THAT MUCH SPACE UP.
THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE, INSIDE PATIO AREA AND STAIRS, AND THERE'S EVEN AN INSIDE KITCHEN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLANS.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE, THE RENDERING MAY BE A LITTLE MISREPRESENTATIVE.
THIS IS ONLY ABOUT A FIVE FOOT WIDE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A WALK AISLE SO TWO PEOPLE CAN WALK NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER WITHOUT BUMPING INTO EACH OTHER.
IF WE LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLANS BRIEFLY, IN POINT OF FACT, IT SAYS IT'S 8.4 INCHES BEFORE IT GETS
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TO THE TWO FOOT COPING TO GET TO THE POOL.SO THAT'S LIKE 10 AND A HALF FEET FROM THE POOL TO THE WALL.
AND THAT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS SPACE HERE IS THE MECHANICAL ROOM AND THE AIR HANDLER, THIS IS WHERE THE RETURN AIR FOR THE HANDLER AIR HANDLER COMES IN.
SO THIS IS ALL THE POOL EQUIPMENT, BUT IT'S ENCLOSED WITHIN A MECHANICAL ROOM.
SO YOU HAVE, THESE ARE DOORS THAT WOULD OPEN UP TO A PATIO, BUT THIS SPACE HERE IS ABOUT FIVE, IS ABOUT FIVE FOOT WIDE.
SO AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE WHILE KEEPING, YOU KNOW, A A, UM, A YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONAL, UH, THERAPY POOL IN PLACE.
IF YOU, MAYBE IT COULD BE BROUGHT A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER IN THIS ASPECT SINCE WE'VE BEEN, UH, SINCE THE PROJECT'S BEEN GOING ON.
THIS WHOLE COUNTERTOP, A LITTLE BAR TOP.
IT'S, IT IS NOT A FULL KITCHEN.
IT WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE COUNTERTOP WITH A, UH, UH, A FRIDGE UNDERNEATH.
AND THAT KIND OF, THAT'S BEEN OMITTED ANYWAY.
AND THE FUNCTION OF THIS IS A THERAPEUTIC POOL.
IT'S NOT FOR RECREATION PURPOSES.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S ONLY, IT'S, IT'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE FOOT DEEP.
SO, YOU KNOW, MELANIE CAN DO HER EXERCISES AND HER THERAPIES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY OTHER QUESTION ALSO IS THERE ARE QUITE WIDE STAIRS WITH NO RAILINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WALK UP TO, TO GET TO THE POOL IN YOUR RENDERING.
IF THE, IF THE RENDERINGS DON'T SHOW THE RAILINGS, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE RAILINGS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS GRAPHIC IS COMING UP.
WHAT ARE YOU REQUESTING AN A DA ACCOMMODATION FOR THIS? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN A DA POOL.
THE REQUESTS THAT WE'RE ASKING HERE FOR TONIGHT ARE JUST ABOUT THE TWO ISSUES AT HAND.
THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS REQUEST, PARDON ME.
THIS REQUEST, IS THIS FOR AN A DA POOL? IT'S FOR A THERAPEUTIC HYDROTHERAPY POOL FOR AN A DA ACCOMMODATION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE TERM A DA SPECIFICALLY.
'CAUSE THIS IS NOT AN A DA POOL.
I, IT WOULD NEVER MEET AN A DA, UM, REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S A, IT'S AN INDOOR POOL FOR YEAR ROUND USE IN A PERSONAL RESIDENCE.
SO THE, THE, THE TWO REQUESTS HERE TONIGHT ARE SIMPLY FOR THE SITE RELATED ISSUES, WHICH HAVE TO DO THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL, UH, THE TWO IMPACTS ON THE SITE PROPER.
UM, ONCE WE HOPEFULLY RECEIVE APPROVALS FROM YOU AND WE GET INTO A BUILDING DEPARTMENT PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WOULD BE FLUSHED OUT AS AS NECESSARY.
DID YOU AT ANY POINT CONSIDER TURNING THE POOL 90 DEGREES TO THE RIGHT AT WHAT? SO THAT IT WENT LENGTHWISE AND YOU DID NOT NEED IT? IT LOOKS FROM THE DRAWING AND I DIDN'T CALCULATE EXACTLY LIKE THE POOL TAKES UP MAYBE HALF OF THE SPACE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
UH, IT'S, IT, IT'D BE A, A BIT MORE THAN THAT.
SO THE ACTUAL WATER LINE IS PUT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE EXTERIOR OF THE WALL, THESE TWO WALLS.
AND THE ONLY OTHER FLOOR SPACE IS JUST THE WALKING AREA AROUND IT TO GET UP INTO THE POOL.
AND THEN THIS IS THE COPING THAT WE'LL GO AROUND.
'CAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE RENDERINGS, UM, WELL, THE COPING PLUS THE FLOOR SPACE IS 8.8 FEET ON ONE SIDE AND 10.4 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE.
FROM THIS, FROM THE EXISTING WALL TO THE FACE OF COPING, IT'S SIX FOOT EIGHT ON ONE SIDE.
SO THAT, THAT IS A, A LOT OF SPACE.
10.8 FEET ON ONE WALL WALKING SPACE.
WHERE'S THE UH, 10 POINT? WELL, THE COPING YOU WERE LOOKING WELL IS TWO FEET.
YOUR COPING IS A TWO FOOT WIDE COPING.
YEAH, WELL, SO THIS IS, IT'S AN OVERHANG, IT'S LIKE A BAR AREA WITH THE BAR BAR STOOL UNDERNEATH BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ELEVATED FROM THE GROUND.
SO THE OTHER OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE SHALLOW FOUNDATION SYSTEM.
SO IF WE WERE TO MAKE THIS A FULLY SUBMERGED POOL, WE'D BE, WE WOULD ENCOUNTER A LOT MORE GROUND AND BEDROCK THAN WE WANT.
SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S ELEVATED THE WAY IT IS.
THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL IS ONLY ABOUT TWO FOOT BELOW THE SLAB.
I I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BAR AREA THAT'S ON THE SIDES WITH THE BAR STOOLS UNDERNEATH.
WELL, GIVEN THE, LIKE THE WAY THE POOL IS CONSTRUCTED, THE RETAINING WALLS, IF YOU WILL, ARE ONE FOOT EIGHT THICK.
SO JUST TO HAVE IT HAVE ANOTHER FUNCTION, IT CAN ALSO SERVE AS A, A SURFACE THERE.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS STOOLS THERE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT SAME SPACE, JUST GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE WALL CONSTRUCTION TO CONTAIN THE WATER.
THE QUESTION WAS, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER TURNING THE POOL THIS
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WAY? SO YOU DID NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR SO MUCH, YOU MIGHT EVEN NOT NEED A VARIANCE AT ONE IF YOU TURNED THE POOL 90 DEGREES TO THE RIGHT.AT ONE POINT, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED EXPLORING THESE OPTIONS, WE WERE TRYING TO, WE WERE LOOKING AND EXPLORING THE IDEA UP HERE BEHIND THE, SO IN, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE STILL NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
WE EXPLORED DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THERE WERE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.
WE DECIDED TO PLACE THE POOL WHERE IT IS HERE BECAUSE IT KEPT THE FACE OF THE BUILDING FURTHER AWAY FROM GLENDALE.
AND FURTHER, IF WE, WE PUT IT THIS WAY TO STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE SETBACKS AND HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE STREET BE WHERE, WHERE IT'S NOT FACING DIRECT NEIGHBORS.
THAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT NOT ANSWER IF THEY MOVED IT, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE THE ASK? BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT COVERAGE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD COVER, IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT WOULD COVER IF IT CAME LIKE THIS.
YOU WOULDN'T BE OUT ALL, YOU WOULDN'T NEED ALL OF THIS SPACE.
YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT USE OF THE SPACE.
I'M SAYING IF YOU TAKE THIS, OH, UNDERSTAND.
SAME COVERAGE, WOULDN'T IT? YOU'RE NOT, NO, IT'S NOT.
BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING MORE INTO THE BLUE STONE.
I SEE WHAT YOU, WELL, THE BLUE IS YOU'RE, LOOK, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING THAT THE BLUE STONE.
IT'S, BUT YOU'RE GETTING RID, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING RID OF THAT HOLE.
I MEAN, IT'S A LOT LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'D BE ASKING FOR.
SO AGAIN, WE WOULD STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN TWO SIDES OF, YOU KNOW, WALKING SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE POOL.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T OPEN UP THE POOL.
I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF POOLS WHEN YOU WALK INTO, THEY HAVE FOUR SIDES OF DECK SPACE ON OR SURROUNDING THE POOL TO KEEP THE FOOTPRINT OF THE, OF THIS ADDITION AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.
THE FOUNDATION WALL OF THE POOL IS SECOND, IS ALSO FUNCTIONING AS A FOUNDATION WALL FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
SO WE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF, OF, OF A FOOTPRINT BY HALF BY ONLY PUTTING TWO SIDES OF WALKING SPACE AROUND THE POOL.
THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THINGS.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF WE WERE TO ROTATE IT, IS THERE A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION? UH, YES.
AND I WOULD SAY MOST HOTELS YOU WILL HAVE FOUR SIDES.
IN THE HOME POOLS THAT I'VE SEEN, I WOULD NOT GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT GENERALIZATION, I'M NOT SURE IS A REASONABLE STATEMENT.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT GONNA ARGUE.
YOU KNOW, BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER THAT DID POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING COVERAGE AND THE OTHER, AND THE, UM, ACTUAL BUILDING COVERAGE AND THE IMPERVIOUS.
SO WE DO FEEL THEY'RE OVER THE ALLOWABLE, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE ASK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE IMPERVIOUS, IT'S A 3% INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE REMOVING AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF PATIO AND WHATNOT ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF JUST LEAVING IT THERE AND COMING HERE AND ASKING FOR, FOR MORE.
AND THEN JUST GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE HOUSE, IT'S SIX SQUARE FEET LESS THAN THE ALLOWABLE.
LIKE IF WE, IF WE WANTED TO PUT ANY KIND OF ADDITION HERE, WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR SOME REQUEST.
SO GIVEN JUST THE EFFORT THAT IS GOING INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE ASSOCIATED COST, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THIS HOME FOR 20 YEARS, AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE THAN JUST A THERAPEUTIC POOL, ALTHOUGH THAT'S ITS PRIMARY FUNCTION, IT'S NOT FOR RECREATION PURPOSES.
AND SO MELODY CAN USE IT ON A DAILY BASIS YEAR ROUND.
SO IT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, AND YOU DID ANSWER IT, WHY IT WAS ELEVATED, BUT NUMBER TWO OR THREE, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO A 3% INCREASE.
I DON'T SEE THE CALCULATIONS OF WHAT'S BEING REMOVED.
THAT BRINGS YOU TO THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE ACTUAL THAT WE HAVE ARE MORE IN THE 28 AND 30%.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THOSE OTHER NUMBERS FROM.
THE 3% REFERS TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRE THE EXISTING CONDITION TODAY, WHICH IS ALREADY OVER THE ALLOWED.
SO THE O THE PART THAT'S OVER THE ALLOWED, WHICH IS A NON-CONFORMITY, HAS THAT EVER BEEN ADDRESSED TO BE BROUGHT INTO, THERE WAS EVER A VARIANCE FOR THAT? NOT THAT I COULD FIND ON RECORD.
THE ONLY VARIANCE I FOUND WAS FROM THE
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LATE DAYS.SO NORMALLY IF LET'S SAY OUR DRIVEWAY NEEDED WAS OVER, THERE WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR THAT VARIANCE TO BE CORRECTED.
SO PART OF THIS IS YOU'RE INCREASING A NON-CONFORMITY.
SO THE TEST FOR US IS ONE, IS THIS GOING TO BE DI MINIMUS? AND IN THIS CASE, IT ACTUALLY IS NOT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT BOTH MY COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING TO POINT TO.
WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN USE TO NOW MAKE THIS, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS NOT AN ANOMALY THAT ANYONE ELSE JUST COME IN AND SAY, OH, WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? MY DRIVEWAY WAS 40 FEET WIDE AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR NOW, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL TENNIS COURTS NEXT TO WHAT'S ALREADY OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
SO SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST RECONCILE THE NON-CONFORMITY WITH THE NEW ASK ON TOP OF THE NONCONFORMING.
I THINK I CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT MAY HELP ANSWER THIS.
YOU ALLUDED TO IN YOUR INTRO THAT SOME OF THE BLUESTONE PATIO WAS, IS, WAS REMOVED FOR THIS PROJECT.
THEY HAD A BLUE STONE PATIO MM-HMM
THAT THEY'RE TAKE, THEY'RE PUTTING THIS WHERE, THAT SOME OF THIS GOES WHERE THAT WAS, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT DOESN'T GO WHERE I CAN SHOW YOU ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE 1500 FEET THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
SO ALL THE, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING ALSO DIFFERENT.
SO THIS RED, ALL THIS RED HATCHING IS COMING OUT, IS BEING REMOVED COMPLETELY.
SO THAT TOTALS 900 SQUARE FEET, UH, 6,960 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN WE ARE PUTTING BACK 1,559 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION, WHICH YOU SEE IN GREEN.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO TO LESSEN THE REQUEST HERE.
SO YOU 3% IS OVER 3% OF NON-CON THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY.
IF I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO, AND, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID THAT WORK.
I'M, I AM JUST THINKING THE SPACE INSIDE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE IT SOME MORE.
AND WHILE THE PRIMARY PURPOSE RIGHT, IS THE POOL, YOU DO HAVE SOME OTHER USE IN THERE.
ALSO, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S AN INDOOR KITCHEN, THERE'S STOOLS AT THE POOL, THERE'S SPACE ALONG THE SIDE.
SO THAT WAS, WHAT HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT REDUCING THAT? THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION.
YES, WE, WE DID THINK ABOUT IT AND YES, WE DID REDUCE IT.
SO THIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE PUT SIX SQUARE FEET MORE ON THIS HOUSE, I'D BE HERE TONIGHT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE, IT, IT'S BASICALLY MAXIMIZED OUT.
18% IS THE ALLOWABLE EXISTING AT 17.97%.
SO ANYTHING OVER AND ABOVE THAT, I'D BE HERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
SO BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WERE DOING THAT, WE DID EXPLORE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
ONE WAS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ABOVE THE, UH, ABOVE THE DRIVEWAY.
'CAUSE IT MADE SENSE FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT JUST HOW IT WOULD TIE INTO THE HOUSE.
BUT THAT RESULTED IN LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK WERE REASONABLE.
AND THEN WE PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED IN RESPONSE TO SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT RAMEN AND MELANIE HAD WITH NEIGHBORS AND WHATNOT.
UM, AND THEN IT WENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT WAS ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET LARGER.
SO WE JUST KEPT ON TRYING TO SHRINK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT WHILE MAINTAINING, YOU KNOW, A FUNCTIONAL SCHOOL POOL SPACE WITHOUT IT BEING COMPLETELY SHOEHORNED IN THERE.
THAT'S, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE INTENT.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THAT, IT'S A 5.5% INCREASE IS WHAT IT RESULTS IN TODAY.
AND THE OTHER QUE YOU HAD SHOWED US, UM, SOME RENDERINGS WITH, UM, IN THE BEGINNING THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE.
YOU SAID THEY WERE FROM TODAY? YES, MA'AM.
SO, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED, HAD A VERY PLEASANT CONVERSATION WITH MR. WALDMAN, WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, AND WE HAD A GENERAL CONVERSATION TALK THROUGH SOME OF HIS CONCERNS AND SOUNDED LIKE SOME OTHER CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS THAT RE THAT REVOLVED AROUND, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, VISUAL SCREENING OF THE ADDITION.
SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT, SPOKE TO RAMEN AND MELANIE, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING PLANTINGS IN TREES AND WHATNOT.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO TO JUST RESPOND TO NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS IS EXTEND THIS TREE LINE AROUND THE CORNER OF GLENDALE AND PUT A COUPLE, AND THIS WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A MIX OF EVERGREENS.
SO THAT SCREENING IS THERE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND, UH, A COUPLE DECIDUOUS ON EITHER SIDE.
KEEP IT IN, IN KEEPING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE VISUAL,
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UH, AS YOU DRIVE DOWN GLENDALE ITSELF, JUST TO MAKE IT FIT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE.AND, AND AGAIN, THEY, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING THOSE KINDS OF PLANTINGS IN TO SCREEN THE ADDITION FROM ANY NEIGHBORS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY CONCERN THAT MOST NEIGHBORS HAD WAS JUST BEING ABLE TO SEE THE ADDITION COMING AROUND.
'CAUSE AS YOU SAW FROM THE, JUST THE GOOGLE EARTH AND THE, UH, GOOGLE MAPS, STREET VIEWS, IT'S PRETTY WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER AND THERE'S NO PLANTINGS WHATSOEVER.
AND HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANYBODY IN THE TOWN ABOUT THE PLANTINGS OR, UM, PLANTINGS? UH, THE PLANTING SPECIFICALLY? NO, MA'AM.
SO WE WENT, WE SPENT ABOUT FIVE MONTHS WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE STORM WATER AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN SPEAKING TO THE IMPERVIOUS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO RE REITERATE MYSELF, BECAUSE WE'RE REMOVING ALL THAT, THAT PATIO AND WALKWAY IN THE BACKYARD AND AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A DELTA THERE THAT WE COULD HAVE USED.
SO IN EFFORTS TO TRY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST DO THE RIGHT JOB, ESSENTIALLY, THIS PROJECT WOULD ONLY HAVE TO DO THOSE UNDERGROUND STORM CHAMBER SYSTEMS TO OFFSET THE IMPERVIOUS.
AND WE'RE INSTALLING ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS, BY THE TIME EVERYTHING GETS OFFSET, ABOUT LESS THAN HALF OF THIS ROOF WOULD HAVE TO BE HARD TIED INTO A COAL TECH SYSTEM.
WE'RE DOING THE ENTIRE ROOF AREA IN A PRETTY EXTENSIVE UNDERGROUND STORM CHAMBER SYSTEM SIMPLY TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, ANY CONCERNS THAT EITHER THE HOMEOWNERS OR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE ABOUT THIS POTENTIALLY CAUSING STORMWATER ISSUES, FLOODING, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, UM, HAS ANY TRAFFIC SAFETY PERSON LOOKED? BECAUSE PARTLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING AROUND A CORNER LIKE THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER CARS.
AND IF YOU'RE NOW PUTTING UP THIS WALL OF TREES, UM, PEOPLE GOING TOO QUICKLY AROUND THE CORNER THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SAFETY CONCERN FOR, UH, CAR ACCIDENTS, UH, IN THAT LOCATION IS ONE THING TO LOOK AT.
AND, UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE BIT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE BLUESTONE IS BECAUSE IN THE RENDERING THERE IS BLUESTONE PATIO.
SO WHAT YOU, SO THAT IS A, A, THIS IS WHAT'S BEING ADDED BACK.
SO THE DASH LINE IS THE ROOF LINE OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
YOU WOULD WALK OUT A COUPLE PATIO DOORS, YOU WOULD BE COVERED BY THE ROOF ABOVE OF, OF THE ADDITION.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INCORPORATING A LITTLE BIT MORE PATIO SO THEY CAN PUT THEIR BARBECUE OUT THERE, HAVE A LITTLE SEATING AREA, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
IT'S JUST SIGNIFICANTLY LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN WAS OTHERWISE.
THIS IS A RETAINING WALL THAT WAS BUILT, AND RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING PATIO SPACE TAKES UP, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THIS SPACE AND THE WALKWAY GOES AROUND THE CORNER.
AND WHAT'S BEING PUT BACK IS THIS MUCH SMALLER, MORE MODEST ONE, WHICH IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAT'S, THAT'S BEING INCORPORATED JUST, UH, LESS THAN WHAT'S EXISTING.
AND IT'S REALLY JUST TO ACCOMMODATE AGAIN, THEIR, THEIR GRILL, LITTLE SEATING AREA THAT THEY WANNA BE OUTSIDE.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU DID ASK IF A TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN, UM, CONDUCTED.
THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTION WAS, UH, NO, WE HAD TO GET A STEEP, SLOW CLEARANCE APPROVAL PART HERE.
NO, NO, I SAID THE TREES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, THERE IS A ZONING CODE IN TERMS OF FENCES AND CORNERS, SO YOU MAY WANNA TAKE A PEEK AT THAT.
GOED, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TONIGHT? NOT HAPPY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE? ALL RIGHT.
I SEE A GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SAT DOWN.
IS THIS WHERE YOU INTENDED TO, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON? UM, I'M THE NEIGHBOR.
WELL,
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CO ANY COMMENTS YOU WISH YOU COULD PUT ON THE RECORD? IF YOU DO YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, BASICALLY
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BUT YOU HAVE, YOU JUST HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
THIS IS THE TIME THAT NEIGHBORS COME UP, HOW LONG THE NEIGHBORS COME UP HERE, YOU AND, AND ACROSS FROM IT.
SO WE'VE SEEN THE PRESENTATION FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS AND NOW'S THE TIME WHERE IF NEIGHBORS WANT TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK, THEY CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT GIVE YOUR NAME AND UH, ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY ADDRESS IS 3 0 8 GLENDALE ROAD.
UM, I'VE LIVED ON THIS ROAD SINCE I WAS A SMALL BOY.
UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE AND THE CHANGES TO IT OVER THE YEARS, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I KNOW OUR NEW NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS BEING DONE FOR, UH, FOR DISABILITY REASONS AND I FULLY SUPPORT OUR NEIGHBORS BEING ABLE TO MAKE THEIR LIVES AS, AS GOOD AS THEY CAN MAKE THEM.
UH, BASED ON THE DRAWING THAT I'VE SEEN, I DO THINK THE WAY IT'S BEING PRESENTED IS PRETTY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHY I CAME HERE TO SEE HOW, WHAT KIND OF COMPROMISE COULD BE HAD, WHERE THEY GET TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.
AND YET IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS ADDITION WITH THE POOL HAS SWALLOWED THE HOUSE FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW.
UM, IT'S GOING, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE END OF THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER.
IT'S JUST, I I'M SURE IT'S NOT IN, IN CONFORMING WITH THE ZONING AS THE OTHER, AS OTHER HOUSES ARE, BUT I DO SUPPORT THEIR RIGHT TO TRY TO MAKE IT WHAT THEY NEED IT TO BE.
AM I ALLOWED TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN TO JUST ASK THE QUESTION OR, OR MADE A STATEMENT A QUESTION? YOU CAN RESPOND.
UH, SIR, I WAS JUST WONDERING TO US NO, NO, YOU CAN'T ASK HIM QUESTION.
UM, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO, UM, TO KNOW WHAT YOU FEEL IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH, WITH THE HOME.
IF IT'S THE SCALE SCALE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH HIM.
I I'M VERY HAPPY THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOW UP TONIGHT, SIR.
LIKE, WE TRIED TO LIKE SHARE SOME INFORMATION TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE TONIGHT.
SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY.
I'M JUST MAKING, I JUST, I'M THINKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ALOUD.
SO, UH, UM, WE CAN GET BACK A DIALOGUE GOING IF WE NEED TO WITH, WITH A QUESTION LIKE THAT THEN TYPICALLY WOULD HAPPEN ARE, AND I WOULD'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION FURTHER AS WELL, ARE THERE OTHER HOMES WITH INDOOR POOLS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITHIN LET'S SAY A FIVE SQUARE MILE RADIUS, UH, ADDITIONAL R TWENTIES, WHAT DO THOSE HOMES LOOK LIKE? AND THAT, THIS IS JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW WE WRITE IT UP.
AND THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE COMPLEXION OR THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS AS YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US IS, AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND PERSONALLY, HOW WOULD I WRITE THIS UP THAT THIS DOES NOT BECOME, UM, AN ANOMALY.
IT, EXCUSE ME, IT SHOULD BE AN ANOMALY IN THE SENSE THAT THERE IS A RATIONALE.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE, UH, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WERE ASKING THAT QUESTION AS WELL IS IF THIS WAS FOR AN A DA PURPOSE, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE CAVEATS THAT WE WOULD USE TO HOLD ON TO SAY WHY THIS SHOULD GO FORWARD.
UM, BUT THE WAY IT'S OUTLINED AND LOOKS IS A BAR AREA AND A KITCHEN AND A PATIO WITH SLIDING OPEN DOORS, WHICH NOW CREATES A DIFFERENT FLAVOR OF WHAT THE HOME WAS INITIALLY CREATE, UM, ZONED FOR.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION WHY WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
WE ARE SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF FIND A WAY, UM, TO NOT CREATE A, A PRECEDENT THAT WE WOULD NOT STAND BY THAT IF SOMEONE ELSE CAME DOWN AND SAID, WE WANT A DOUBLE DECKER TENNIS COURT IN OUR HOUSE, PLUS IT SHOULD BE TENNIS ON ONE FLOOR AND NOW PICKLE A BALL ON THE FLOOR ABOVE IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SIR.
UH, WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S TOUGH ARGUMENTS TO MAKE IF IT CHANGES TO CHARACTER OR NOT, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY WAYS THAT YOU CAN CREATE A YEAR ROUND USE OF A POOL.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE THE, JUST THE BY BY NATURE OF THE WAY YOU HAVE TO FOLD THE POOL AND WHATNOT.
IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A PATIO DOOR IN THE BACK SO YOU CAN WALK DIRECTLY OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOGICAL THING TO DO.
AS IT DID SAY, IT'S, IT'S NOT A KITCHEN AREA.
IT WAS A COUNTERTOP SPACE WITH A LITTLE BAR WITH LIKE A BEER COOLER, WHICH HAS BEEN REMOVED ALREADY, UM, PRIOR TO COMING HERE.
JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS DECIDED BEFORE WE TURNED EVERYTHING TO YOU GUYS FOR REVIEW.
AND HE'S STANDING HERE TONIGHT TRYING TO DESCRIBE THINGS IN TERMS OF EXTERIOR CHARACTER.
UH, WE'RE MATCHING ROOF LINES.
WE'RE MATCHING MATERIALITY IN OUR OPINION.
IT BALANCES THE HOUSE OUT MORE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT, THE HOUSE IS VERY HEAVY TOWARDS THE RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE, IT, IT BALANCES OUT THE HOUSE.
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OTHER PEOPLE HAVE INDOOR THERAPEUTIC POOLS WITHIN THE FIVE MILE MILE RADIUS? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.I DO KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF THE HOMES IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDED IT HAVE BEAUTIFUL, EXPANSIVE OUTDOOR POOLS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THE NEED TO FOR IT TO BE IN UC YEAR ROUND, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
SO I'M JUST, UH, JUST KIND OF TALKING ALOUD.
YOU'RE TRYING TO THINK HOW TO, HOW TO, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE CRAFT THAT PRESENTATION AND MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, RIGHT? YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL RIGHT NOW.
OH, I'M JUST, UH, JUST TRYING TO KIND OF PUT A FEW THINGS OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO LIMIT US INTO HOW WE RESPOND TO THOSE KINDS OF COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? PERFECT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE TWO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED HERE TONIGHT, WE KNOW, SO I, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TRYING TO DISCUSS, RIGHT? I'M JUST START TRYING TO REFOCUS THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE, THE, THE TWO VARIANCE, TWO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED, UM, THERE IS NO WAY TO GET AROUND A TOTAL BUILDING COVERAGE BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS MAXED OUT AS IT IS AND THE, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WE HAVE REMOVED, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN HALF OF WHAT IS OTHERWISE THERE.
SO, UH, SHORT OF JUST MAKING IT A SMALLER POOL AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JEOPARDIZING THE FUNCTION OF WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING, I, I JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON MOST AND ARE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
SIR, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF, IF THIS IS NOT FINISH TONIGHT, THAT YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE QUESTIONS AND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND NONE OF THEIR CONCERN, NONE OF OUR CONCERNS HAVE DISCUSSED CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE POOL, NONE OF THEM OR THE USE OF THE POOL.
UM, ALL OF THE COMMENTS HAVE CENTERED AROUND, I BELIEVE THE EXTERIOR SPACE AND THE SIZE OF IT AND THE WAY IT'S DONE.
IT'S, AND WE KEEP TRYING TO GET YOU TO ANSWER THAT AND YOU KEEP NOT ANSWERING THAT SENTENCE.
IT, IT, WE'VE USED, WE'VE, WE'VE SAID IT ABOUT AS MANY WAYS AS WE CAN, AND YOU'RE STICKING TO THIS PLAN AND WE HEAR YOU.
UM, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO STICK TO THIS PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO, AND WE, WE THINK IT'S A, A FUNCTIONAL LAYOUT THAT SERVES A PURPOSE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF GINGERBREAD ON THIS THING TO MAKE IT ANY MORE EXTRAVAGANT THAN IT HAS TO BE.
UM, AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING I, WE CAN TO MINIMIZE THE TWO REQUESTS THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ASKING FOR.
ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, IN TERMS OF THE WAY RENDERINGS LOOK, AND IT MAY LOOK MORE AND IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT, UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS HAS, IT'S REDUCED AND REDUCED AND REDUCED TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, WELL, JUST TO LET YOU BE AWARE, WE HAVE ONLY HAVE FOUR MEMBERS HERE THIS EVENING THAT IS A QUORUM, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE THAT WOULD FAVOR WHAT YOU WISH.
YOU DON'T GET THE VARIANCES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND I'M SURE OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WANTING TO TRY AND CONVINCE US THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE.
AND I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UNDERSTAND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY ALSO THAT WE'LL ASK FOR SOME MORE INFORMATION AND HOLD IT OVER TO ANOTHER MEETING TOO.
WE HAVEN'T DELIBERATED YET, SO I DON'T KNOW, WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK.
UM, YOU MAY GIVE, UH, PERHAPS I'M A LITTLE UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW YOUR PROCESS WORKS.
I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT I WOULD GIVE THE PRESENTATION AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD DELIBERATE AND VOTE ON IT HERE AND NOW.
IF THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, THEN WELL, WE CAN, BUT IF WE DO, AND WE, WE ARE NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH APPARENTLY YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OF YOU, UM, WE COULD NOT VOTE IT POSITIVE FOR YOU.
I'M, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BEST WAYS TO GET, YOU KNOW, YOUR FEEDBACK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN RESPOND TO IT AND TRY TO GET BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING,
AND AGAIN, IF YOU WERE TO, YOU KNOW, CAST YOUR VOTE, AND IF I DID NOT RECEIVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF YOU HERE TODAY.
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IF YOU DON'T RECEIVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL, YOU'RE DEAD IN THE WATER.WE OH, YOU CAN'T COME BACK? NO.
IF IT'S NOT PASSED TONIGHT, IF WE VOTE, IF WE VOTE AND IT DOES NOT PASS, YOU CANNOT BRING THIS FORWARD AGAIN.
I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE CASE.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH A, A REVISED PROPOSAL THAT, UM, THAT RESPONDS TO YOUR CONCERNS.
IF, IF WE FELT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A CHANGE OR RESPONSE.
I, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE SAID, UM, PERSONALLY.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CANOPY MADE SMALLER.
CAN IT BE OTHERS? AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, YOUR ANSWERS HAVE BEEN NO.
YEAH, I THINK UNLESS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WHY DON'T WE DELIBERATE AND WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH ANY, LIKE, KIRA WILL GET BACK TO YOU WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING WE HAVE OR WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE.
THAT'S, AND AND YOU CAN GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE COME OUT PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU IS YOU INDICATE THAT YOU, UM, AND I THINK YOUR NAME IS MR, IS IT BUELLER? YES.
UM, YOU, YOU, YOU, WHEN DID, UH, WHEN DID YOU GET THE PROPOSAL OF THIS? THAT'S WHEN AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS ON TUESDAY.
WE CIRCULATED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO EVERYBODY THAT RECEIVED THE MAILINGS 10 DAYS AGO.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH PICTURES JUST TRYING TO GET, JUST SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE THIS, THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK ARE SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL NEXT WEEK CHILDREN ARE OUT OF SCHOOL FOR THE MOST PART AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO VACATION.
AND THIS WEEK WE HAD TWO, UM, ACTUAL HOLIDAYS.
ONE WAS LINCOLN'S BIRTHDAY THAT IT, THAT DID AFFECT SOME PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT AND ALSO WE HAVE TOMORROW, WHICH PEOPLE LIKE TO DO CELEBRATIONS AND DO OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT MAY BE ONE REASON WHY WE JUST GOT LIMITED INFORMATION.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, SINCE YOU SPOKE TO ONE OF THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, IF YOU OR YOUR CLIENTS INTEND ON GETTING ANY INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK FROM THEM, UH, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, YOU FELT THAT NO, NO, NO.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WE WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR, THE CLIENTS ARE, ARE, ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE AS ACCOMMODATING AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND GET IT APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE WELL WELLBEING OF, OF THEIR LIFE.
SO, I MEAN, LANDSCAPING BEING INCORPORATED, NOT A PROBLEM.
UH, RELOCATING IT FROM ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY SITS NOT A PROBLEM.
I HEARD THAT SOME FEEL THAT THE INTERIOR SPACES ARE LARGER THAN THEY OTHERWISE NEED TO BE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ALSO, UM, IN TERMS OF NOT BEING, KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO OTHER THAN MATCH MATERIALITY AND ROOF LINES AND WHATNOT.
UM, I THINK THAT PART OF THAT IS I DIDN'T SEE A RENDERING OF THE WHOLE HOUSE WITH THE ADDITION FROM MULTIPLE, LIKE MAYBE SEEING THE HOUSE AND THE ADDITION BECAUSE THE, THE WAY YOU, THE WAY WE, IT'S PICTURED, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL ADDITION AND NOT HOUSE.
SO MAYBE HAVING AN ADDITIONAL RENDERING WOULD HELP ALSO AND WOULD HELP WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE EASIER ALSO AS YOU, IF YOU'RE DOING NEW RENDERINGS, IF THAT'S WHAT IT COMES TO, IT'S YOU HAVE ONE PAGE WILL BE THE EAST VIEW, THE WEST VIEW, THE NORTH SOUTH OR WHATEVER, UH, EXISTING.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED, IF YOU DID EAST EXISTING, EAST PROPOSED NORTH, EXISTING, NORTH PROPOSED, SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT THERE IS AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
AND THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO DO THAT FROM WHAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED.
SO AGAIN, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO COME BACK HERE AGAIN, UM, WE WOULD BE PROPOSING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT WOULD RESPOND TO WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T MISUNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING SAID IF YOU DO DELIBERATE AND IF IT IS NOT APPROVED WITH THE QUORUM BEFORE THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT, WE CAN COME BACK HERE AND RESUBMIT ANOTHER APPLICATION AND PRESENT THIS PROJECT AGAIN IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORM.
NO, WE'LL CERTAINLY GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IF THAT'S
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WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.UH, IT'S UP TO MY CLIENT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BY ASKING FOR THE DELIBERATION AND TO GET YOUR FORMAL VOTE, JUST SO WE CAN SIMPLY GET, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FORMAL FEEDBACK AND WE CAN RESPOND TO IT PROPERLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY.
IT'S NOT GONNA PRECLUDE US FROM COMING BACK HERE AND TRYING AGAIN.
UM, I, AGAIN, RAYMOND AND MELANIE ARE ON, UH, THEY ARE ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO HAVE ANY, MAKE ANY COMMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR IF I'VE DONE A DECENT ENOUGH JOB TRYING TO EXPLAIN THINGS.
NORMALLY WHAT WE DO IS SEND OUT A LETTER WITH WHAT, UM, OUR DELIBERATIONS ARE AND ON YOU.
AND, AND AS WE SAID, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT, YES.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS EVENING, UH, YES, I WILL STAY AND LISTEN.
IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE DONE HERE OPENLY IN THE MEETING AND I CAN JUST LISTEN TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, I'LL DEFINITELY SAY SO.
SO YOU CAN STAY AND LISTEN, BUT IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROCESS WHERE YOU CAN ANSWER.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE I STEP DOWN, IF, UH, RAMEN OR MELANIE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD THEMSELVES OR NOT? NOPE.
DO YOU WANT GO STRAIGHT INTO YEAH, WE CAN GO STRAIGHT INTO DELIBERATIONS.
DO WE WANNA GO? DO WE WANT ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I, I THE COPY THAT WE WERE GIVEN, MS GREAT.
I CAN, I CAN LIVE WITH THIS ONE.
I DON'T HAVE THE DATES STILL ON THIS 'CAUSE I DIDN'T ED ANYTHING WE NEED, ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT 24 32 OR NO? OKAY.
DID YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO VOTE? GO AHEAD.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS NOW? YES, IT COME, SHE HANDED IT OUT.
I'M, I'M, AND I SPOKE GARRETT AND I SPOKE, WROTE AND FORTH THAT I'M GOOD.
I NEED THE, UM, SEE, I NEED THE SEEKER AND I NEED THE PLANS ALSO.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS ONE? THIS ONE? NO, NO, NO.
SO THIS IS, WE HAD THIS, WE, WE DID PUT THIS ON THE RECORD FOR MARCH 13TH FOR SALE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO STR STR, STR VOTE ON, UM, 24 32.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IS WRITTEN.
SO WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA NO, NOT NO, NO.
WE HAVE TO, SORRY, WE STILL DELIBERATION.
OH, WE DIDN'T, I WAS GONNA DO ONE AT A TIME.
SO WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO, UH, I WOULD, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, UM, THE STATEMENT WAS MADE IF WE BASICALLY DENIED IT NOW THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO I WANT TO CLEAR IT UP FOR THE RECORD THAT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT, UM, OR PROPOSE IF THEY, IF THEY CHOOSE, IF TO SO CHOOSE TO PROPOSE A DIFFERENT, UM, RENDERING, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.
I, I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE,
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YOU KNOW, THE VISUAL SCREENING IS NOW NEW, SO I'D LOVE THEM TO TAKE THAT AND RUN IT BY THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES WITHIN THE TOWN ALSO.AND I THINK THE, UM, FOR THEM TO LOOK AT AS, I THINK IT WAS BOTH YOU AND SEAN SAID YEAH.
HAD SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ALSO AND THE HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO THAT WOULD, UM, MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I WERE PROPOSING AN ADJOURNMENT OF THIS ANOTHER.
NO, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I, I WAS HEARTENED BY WHAT THE PRESENTER SAID IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION OR QUESTIONS.
I DIDN'T FEEL THAT THERE WAS THAT POSSIBILITY THAT THE WAY IT WAS STATED THAT THERE WAS THAT.
AND SO I I, I AM MUCH MORE WILLING TO GIVE THEM TO, TO ASK FOR MORE CLARITY NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES, WHAT WAS SAID THAT IT WASN'T JUST NO
I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THAT WAS JUST AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS ALSO.
IT COULD BE MORE LIKE THAT WE WOULD VOTE AND THAT THERE WOULD BE, IF WE VOTE AND WINNERS NO.
THAT THEY COULD STILL COME BACK.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST YEAH, THAT SOUNDS IF WE VOTE THEY CAN'T.
SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, THAT I THINK IT WAS JUST ABOUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS.
SO I AGREE I'D LIKE THEM TO LOOK AT IT.
ALTHOUGH I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY REDUCED MUCH OF THE, UM, INITIAL NON-CONFORMITY.
BUT, BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE.
THE INTERIOR SPACE I THINK HAS FLEXIBILITY TOO.
IF IT'S MAIN PURPOSE IS A POOL, A THERAPEUTIC POOL, AND NOT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
THERE'S CERTAINLY THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND I THINK THEN WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT BY HAVING SOMETHING FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.
AND MAKING IT, I THINK SMALLER WOULD MEET SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE PERSON, THE SEC, ONE OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO CAME, I THINK THAT'S MAYBE PART OF THE CHARACTER ISSUE THAN IT IS SO LARGE.
SO BASICALLY ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ADJOURNING IT FOR ALL ADJOURNING PURPOSES JOURNEY.
AND THEN KIRA WILL SEND OUT, YOU CAN EITHER RELY ON NOTES SHE'S TAKING NOW, OR YOU CAN GIVE KIRA NOTES TOMORROW OR MONDAY OR TUESDAY I SHOULD SAY.
I CAN SEND YOU AN EMAIL KIRA, FOR INCLUSION IN THE LETTER THAT GOES OUT TO THE APPLICANT AS TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
ARE WE READY TO GO BACK INTO SESSION? YEP.
DO WE, DOES SHE NEED ANYTHING ELSE? DOES SHE, SHE DIDN'T STOP RECORDING, I DON'T THINK.
I DON'T THINK SHE EVER STOPPED.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE SECOND? I NEED TO KNOW ADJOURNING FOR ALL PURPOSES.
DO YOU NEED THE DATE OF THE PLANS? YEAH, I PUT, I WROTE THEM UP.
SUBMITTED AND RECEIVED ON THAT DATE.
SHE IS, I KNEW SHE WAS LOOKING FOR IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH CASES.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE YOU MINE.
I'M JUST SAYING WANT YOU TO, I WANT YOU TO FEEL PART.
UM, WELL THE WAY THIS READS, IT SAYS THE PLANS DATED AND THEN LAST REVISED.
THE LAST REVISED WOULD BE JANUARY THE SIXTH.
OH, YOU WANT THE ORIGINAL DATE TOO? YEAH.
I'LL PULL THAT OUT FOR YOU TO SAVE YOUR EYES.
IT SAYS MARCH OF 20, MARCH, 2022.
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I THINK IT WAS IN 22.SO MARCH OF, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE.
SEE, I'M NOT SO HELP FAIL, AM I? YES YOU ARE.
CAN YOU JUST SAY LAST REVISED ON, UH, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AND THEN THE JANUARY 6TH IS THE LAST DATE.
SO WE ARE BACK ON OUR DELIBERATIONS HAVING BEEN, UM, COMPLETED FOR THIS EVENING AND WE ARE NOW BACK TO RENDER THE DECISION ON CASE 24 32.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z BOARD GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY CONDUCTED AN COORDINATED REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS AN UNLISTED UNLISTED ACTION, WHEREAS THE GREEN, WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024.
AND WE NEED NO MOTIONS OR VOTES ON THAT SEEKER STATEMENT.
SO I WILL MOVE THE APPLICATION IN CASE 24 32 TO BE GRANTED, PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICATION OBTAINS ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILED, SAME WITH BUILDING DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION BEGAN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT PROCEEDS DI DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH PLANS DATED MARCH 10TH, 2022, LAST REVISED JANUARY 6TH, 2025, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN, THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED HEREIN OR FURTHER IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES.
EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACKS, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN, THE PORTION OF THE ACCESS DRIVEWAY IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG SHALL NOT BE OFFERED FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, SHALL BE AND REMAIN PRIVATE AND SHALL BE PLOWED MAINTAINED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE APPLICANT AND OR THE OWNERS OF THE RESIDENCE TO BE CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTED IN THE CITY OF YONKERS.
NO MUNICIPAL SERVICES SUCH AS PLOWING GARBAGE PICKUP SHALL BE PROVIDED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG UNLESS PRIVATELY CONTACTED, CONTRACTED FOR BY THE APPLICANT OR HOMEOWNERS.
THE VARIANCES WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN SHALL LAPSE IF APPLICANT FAILS TO OBTAIN SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A MAXIMUM FOUR DWELLINGS FROM THE CITY OF YONKERS, OR ENTER INTO ENTER MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE PROVISION OF WATER AND FIRE AND OTHER SERVICES TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENCES WITHIN TWENTY'S DECISION.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE FINDINGS.
SECOND WE VOTE, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE SECOND ALL.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE FINDINGS AND FINDINGS, BUT WE HAVE TWO FINDINGS.
IS THAT UNUSUAL? NO, IT'S, IT'S, I JUST THINK IT'S THE WAY YOU SHOULD JUST WRITE IT AND PUT FINE.
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ROLL OVER.WE DON'T NEED TO READ THEM RIGHT? CONTINUATION? YEAH.
NO, IT GOES IT'S NOT THIS SAYING REQUESTED.
I THINK IT'S JUST AT THE, THEIR HEADINGS OR TWICE.
BECAUSE THIS, THEY'LL FIX, WE NEVER DO THE FINDINGS.
I THINK THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDEFINE.
YEAH, BUT WE WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO YEAH, IT'S IT'S THAT WOULD THAT WOULD'VE YEAH.
BEEN STANDARD HEADING AND RIGHT.
WHAT DID YOU PUT IN THERE? YOU WANT PLOWED AND MAINTAINED.
DO WE WANNA VOTE TO ADJOURNED 25 AND TWO? YES.
UM, WE WILL NOT READ THE FINDINGS THIS EVENING.
UH, THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEE THEM.
THEY CAN CONTACT THE SECRETARY AND ALSO THE UM, THE REPORTER IS TAKING DOWN ALL THE MINUTES AND WE'LL HAVE THAT IN THE RECORD FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEE IT.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL SEE EVERYONE ON NOPE.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THEIR, TRYING TO FIND IT NOTES.
YEAH, IT'S NOT IT RIGHT THERE.
33 3 GLENDALE ROAD IS ADJOURNED.
ADJOURNED TO THE MEETING OF MARCH 13TH FOR ALL PURPOSES.
AND WITH THAT ONE SECOND, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WE WILL SEE YOU ALL ON MARCH 13TH.
WE HOPE YOU HAVE NO MORE SNOW.
AND EVERYONE HAS AN ENJOYMENT FOR THE HOLIDAYS THAT ARE COMING UP.
AND THE SPRING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BLOSSOM VERY SOON.
AND WE'LL ALL BE HERE AGAIN AND WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN FOUR OF US.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.