* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] IN PROGRESS. UH, WELCOME TO [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: HCancro@GreenburghNY.com https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings] OUR TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION. TODAY IS MARCH 18TH. IT'S UM, AFTER TO FIVE 30. AND THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, UM, TO REVIEW A REQUEST BY, UM, THE WESTCHESTER MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN AN EFFORT, UM, WITH OTHER, I THINK AS MANY AS 24 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN, UM, IN WESTCHESTER TO FIGHT THE CONED RATES. AND WE HAVE WITH US, UM, JOEL TER, UM, WHO'S AN ATTORNEY, JOEL CHRIS AND CHRIS BRADBURY, WHO'S WITH, UH, BROOK. GOOD EVENING VILLAGE. GOOD EVENING. HI. MM-HMM . SO JOEL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. UM, MY PLEASURE. MAYBE YOU COULD TELL US A LITTLE BIT WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS AND, UM, WHY YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COMMUNITIES LIKE GREENBERG TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS. YES. CON EDISON'S ELECTRIC RATES HAVE BEEN RISING RAPIDLY AND THE IMPACT ON ALL CUSTOMERS HAS BECOME RATHER NOTICEABLE. RATES HAVE PROBABLY GONE UP 20 OR 25% IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND IN THIS KIND OF RATE CASE WITH THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION, RESIDENTIAL ELECTRIC RATES ARE SET TO GO UP ANOTHER 25% AND GAS 20%. SO IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT, SUBSTANTIAL, AND THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS IS KIND A MIX OF FILING WITH THE NEW YORK PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION THAT THEN INTERESTED PARTIES, INCLUDING THE PSE STAFF PARTICIPATE AND THEN CONDUCT DISCOVERY AND A HEARING HAS BEEN HELD TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ACTUAL RATE INCREASE SHALL BE. UM, IN THIS WESTCHESTER, RESIDENTS HAVE NOT BEEN REPRESENTED IN THIS PROCEEDING AT ALL. NEW YORK CITY IS WELL REPRESENTED, HAS A NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS EXPERTS PARTICIPATING. SO THE IMPACT IS THAT WESTCHESTER COMMUNITIES DO NOT HAVE NOT HAD A VOICE IN CONED RATE CASES. AND WE'RE HOPING TO CHANGE THAT THIS TIME AROUND, UH, AND REVIEW THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY AND THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WESTCHESTER RESIDENTS ARE TREATED FAIRLY BY THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION. UH, WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS IS EVERYBODY PUTS IN THEIR VARIOUS TESTIMONY IN PRE-WRITTEN FORM 'CAUSE OF ITS VERY COMPLICATED BUDGET KIND OF MATTERS. AND THEN THE PARTIES SIT DOWN ON FOR A SETTLEMENT CONFERENCES, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THESE CASES HAVE BEEN GETTING SETTLED IN RECENT YEARS. AND IT'S OUR HOPE AND OUR REQUEST THAT, UH, IF GRANTED, WE WOULD PARTICIPATE IN BEFORE THE PSC AND ATTEND THESE SETTLEMENT CONFERENCES, HAVE AN EXPERT WHO CAN REVIEW A COST OF SERVICE STUDY AND REVENUE REQUIREMENTS, DETERMINE WHAT IS FAIR AND REASONABLE FOR WESTCHESTER AND, AND HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON THE OUTCOME OF THE PROCEEDING. UH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS NOW INTERVENING AND THEY'RE USING THE COUNTY, UM, ATTORNEY. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING, AND IS IT SORT OF DUPLICATION, UM, AND WHAT PE YOU KNOW, COULD BY MUNICIPALITIES DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? ARE WE GETTING SOME BENEFITS? TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS INTERVENED IN THE PROCEEDING, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING UTILITY RATE CASES FOR SOME 40 YEARS, QUITE ACTUALLY. AND, UH, UM, HAVE REPRESENTED, UH, COMMUNITIES BEFORE THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. I REPRESENT CHRIS , I'VE REPRESENTED, UH, R BRO AND RYAN PORTCHESTER ON WATER MATTERS FOR SOME TIME. I JUST FINISHING UP, APPEARING ON BEHALF OF ROCKLAND COUNTY AND ITS MUNICIPALITIES IN THE ORANGE AND ROCKLAND ELECTRIC RATE CASE, WHICH IS THE SISTER COMPANY OF ACY. SO I THINK WE BRING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO THIS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS, IS BRINGING IT IN AS FAR AS I KNOW, IF I MAY NOT RETAINING ANY EXPERT WITNESS AS WELL. WELL, I, I, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S REALLY NOT SUCH A CASE OF EITHER OR, BUT RATHER, UM, AS IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY MIGHT BE CONCURRENT. SO IT'S JUST EDUCATING US ON, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU BRING A LOT TO THE DANCE, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW WHETHER THE TWO EFFORTS WILL HAVE IMPACT GREATER THAN ONE OR THE OTHER. UM, IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME INSIGHT OR WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE ON THAT SCORE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SORRY, BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO WHAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY WE'RE, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ADD OURSELVES ONTO WHAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAYING. DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN TERMS OF [00:05:01] OUR REPRESENTATION. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M SAYING. 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK I WAS THE ONE THAT TOLD EVERYBODY THAT LAST WEEK. UM, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, THAT, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF COMPETITION BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE BEYOND THAT. WHAT I'M JUST ASKING FOR EDIFICATION IS THAT IF, IF MR. DI FEELS THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE SOME, UM, BEN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE REASSURING FOR EVERYBODY TO HEAR, TO HAVE BOTH GOING ON CONCURRENTLY. NOT THAT IT'S EITHER OR, UM, OR THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE'RE MAKING A CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO. I'M JUST, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT, UH, HAVING THE COUNTY APPEAR IN THE PROCEEDING CAN BE HELPFUL AS WELL. THAT THE MORE VOICES AND THE MORE, UH, WORKING TOGETHER, TOGETHER TO TRY AND BRING AGAINST THE RESULT THAT'S BEST FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS, IT'S GREAT. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM REACHING OUT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND, AND WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY AND HAVE A UNITED POSITION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO EL TO YOURS. UM, UM, I WAS SORT OF THINKING OVER THE WEEKEND, IF WESTCHESTER, IF WESTCHESTER COUNTY WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO, UH, TO THIS EFFORT, YOU KNOW, MOST COMMUNITIES ARE CONTRIBUTING NOW UNDER $5,000 BECAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE MORE THAN 20 COMMUNITIES DO. WOULD THAT GIVE YOU, UM, MORE LEEWAY IF YOU KNOW WESTCHESTER IS ALSO YOUR CLIENT? WOULD YOU HAVE MORE ACCESS TO WESTCHESTER'S NOT HIS CLIENT? NO. WHAT I'M SAYING, IF, IF THE COUNTY WOULD DECIDE TO PARTICIPATE, WOULD THAT GIVE YOU MORE ACCESS TO THE RECORDS AND WOULD IT BE BETTER COORDINATION BETWEEN GREENBERG AND BETWEEN, UH, THE MUNICIPALITIES AND, BUT WOULDN'T BE A SEPARATE, BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE SEPARATE? SEPARATE? NO. NOW YEAH. ASK, I KNOW HE'S AN ATTORNEY. WOULDN'T THAT BE SEPARATE? SO WOULDN'T WESTCHESTER COUNTY WOULD BRING THEIR SUIT AND THE MUNICIPALITIES WHO JOIN ON WITH THIS GENTLEMAN WILL BRING THEIR SUIT? NO, THIS IS NOT A LAWSUIT. THIS IS NEGOTIATION ON NEGOTI NEGOTIATION LAWSUIT. I APOLOGIZE THE INCORRECT TERMINOLOGY, BUT, BUT IT'S CORRECT. I JUST WANNA MAKE NO, BECAUSE WHAT I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME COORDINATION, MR. WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO COUNTY RE COUNTY INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A CLIENT OF YOURS. I'M, I'M SAYING, IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, FOR THE COUNTY TO BE SIGNING ONTO THE MUNICIPALITIES TO DO WHATEVER YOU I DON'T THINK THAT THE COUNTY, I DON'T, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE. SURE. IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, UH, LEMME TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A SECOND PLEASE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED WITH JOEL FOR, UH, I'VE WORKED WITH HIM FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW, UH, BETWEEN RYE CITY, ANDRY BROOKS. SO HE'S REPRESENTED US, UH, EXTREMELY WELL. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY SATISFIED. IT'S WHY IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS. AND, UH, PORTCHESTER RYE AND RY BROOKS FOR THE WATER, FOR THE WATER RATE CASES, WHICH WE HAVE WITH OUR PRIVATE WATER COMPANY. JOEL ALSO, AS HE SAID, HAS EXPERIENCED WORKING, UH, IN THE ELECTRIC RATE CASES IN ROTHLAND WITH THE COUNTY AND, AND THE TOWNS. SO WE WENT TO HIM FIRST AND WE SAID, JOEL, WHAT ELSE COULD WE BE DOING? WE SEE THERE'S RALLIES, WE SEE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING OUT. EVERYBODY'S VERY UPSET ABOUT THE CURRENT RATES, NEVERMIND THE 18 TO 25 IN SOME CASES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THE FOR NEXT YEAR. AND HE SAID, REALLY NEED TO INTERVENE. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE WATER RATE CASE. YOU NEED TO BE, BECOME A PARTY TO THE, UH, TO THE RATE CASE SO THAT THEN YOU CAN HIRE A TECHNICAL CONSULTANT TO REVIEW THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED, WHICH YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE IT AT THE RATE CASE SITE. EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO THOSE DOCUMENTS. ALL ATTORNEYS, EVERYONE THE CONSULTANTS, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ENTERED IN ON THE CASE BY CONDUCT. AND IT IS VOLUMES. SO WE SAID, YOU NEED TO INTERVENE AND, AND UH, WE SAID, WELL, GIVE US A PROPOSAL. WE'RE GONNA START BY GOING TO THE COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO THIS ON THE THREE COMMUNITIES. WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN KIND OF WIDEN IT OUT AND GET SUPPORT FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED. SO JOEL GAVE US A PROPOSAL. FIRST PLACE WE WENT WAS THE COUNTY. UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THEY DECIDED INITIALLY AND THE COUNTY EXEC'S OFFICE DECIDED NOT TO, UH, BECOME A PARTY TO THE AGREEMENT. THAT WAS THE DECISION INITIALLY. AND, UM, SO THEN WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT WENT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AND THEN THE COUNTY BOARD OF LEGISLATORS TALKED TO THE COUNTY EXEC'S OFFICE AND THEY MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THEY WOULD BECOME A PARTY TO THE RATE CASE, BUT NOT PUT ANY FUNDS IN. UM, THEY WEREN'T GONNA, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY WEREN'T HIRING A TECHNICAL CONSULTANT, WHICH IS GONNA BE ESSENTIAL WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT OF SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS OR RAISING TESTIMONY ABOUT WHY THE RATES, HOW MUCH PROFIT THEY SHOULD BE EARNING AT FROM THE REVENUE, HOW MUCH, HOW THE RATE SHOULD BE ALLOCATED. 'CAUSE REALIZE IT'S NOT ONE OR TWO OR THREE RATES. WE'RE TALKING DOZENS OF RATES THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE. AND ALSO HOW THAT, THAT RATE SHOULD BE, THOSE RATES SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE ESSENTIAL TO HAVE [00:10:01] THE DATA TO SAY WHY SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED IS EITHER INCORRECT OR AREN'T. THEY'RE NOT REINVESTING IN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE ENOUGH, OR NEW YORK CITY'S NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS WELL REPRESENTED. SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, SO AT THIS POINT, THE COUNTY HAS SAID THEY, UM, THEY WERE NOT GONNA PUT ANY FUNDS INTO IT. UM, I THINK THERE'LL BE A POINT WHERE THEY'LL BE LOOKING, THEY'D RATHER HAVE LIKE TO HAVE THE DATA THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT SOME POINT. MM-HMM . UM, SO I STILL THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO BECOME PARTY TO JOIN WITH US, BUT THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. UM, BUT THEY'RE HAVING IN-HOUSE COUNSEL, SO THERE'S NO COST TO IT. UH, AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING, AGAIN, THE TECHNICAL CONSULTANT THAT'S REALLY NEEDED. SO IS IT GOOD THAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY HAS BECOME A PARTY? ABSOLUTELY. WE WANT 'EM TO BE IN THE TABLE. WE WANT 'EM TO BE PART OF THAT. WE WANT THE YOU, IT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING THE COUNTY. EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME SIDE IN THAT REGARD. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN, UH, THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR, FOR OUR TAXPAYERS TO SAY, HEY, LET'S JOIN TOGETHER AS MUNICIPALITIES. SO WE SAID, WELL, IF WE CAN GET A MINIMUM OF 20, THAT WOULD BE $5,000 EACH. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, A NUMBER THAT PEOPLE WOULD FIND REASONABLE TO, UH, BECOME PARTY TO THE CASE AND MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS ARE REPRESENTED. UM, I'M PLEASED TO SAY THAT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, I HAVEN'T BEEN KIND OF THREE DIFFERENT BUCKETS 'CAUSE THE MEETINGS ARE STILL HAPPENING. SO BETWEEN, UH, MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE APPROVED RESOLUTIONS, UH, OFFICIALS HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT, THEY'VE TALKED IT IN WORK SESSIONS AND THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT THE NEXT MEETING. AND I HAVE THEIR MEETING DATES OR THAT THEY HAVE IT AS A RESOLUTION COMING UP ON THEIR NEXT AGENDAS FOR, FOR, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT TOTAL'S 28 RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GET AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S NINE THAT HAVE APPROVED RESOLUTIONS. NINE MORE THAT HAVE SAID, WE ARE DEFINITELY APPROVING RESOLUTIONS. JUST THE MEETING HASN'T HAPPENED AND ANOTHER 10 THAT HAVE IT ON THEIR HAVE IT ON THEIR AGENDAS. ONLY ONE COMMUNITY SO FAR HAS SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT PROCEEDING AT THIS TIME. UM, NOT GONNA JOIN. THAT WAS ONLY ONE. SO IN TERMS OF COMMUNITIES, I'LL TELL YOU THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE APPROVED RESOLUTIONS, PORTCHESTER COLUMN, TOWN RIDE, ROAD, RISE, CITY, CROTON, YORKTOWN, LEY, IRVINGTON, AND TARRYTOWN, UH, THERE'S TWO MORE ON TONIGHT ON THEIR AGENDAS TONIGHT AND ANOTHER ONE ON TOMORROW NIGHT ARE, ARE WE GONNA, ARE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT KEEPS COMING UP IS THE PROFITS THAT CONED KEEPS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING FOR THEMSELVES AND THE DIVIDENDS THAT THEY GIVE, YOU KNOW, TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DOUBLE DIGIT, UH, INCREASES WHEN THEY'RE MAKING ALL THE, THIS LARGE PROFITS. UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD COME UP, UH, DURING THE DISCUSSION WHERE WE COULD ASK THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION TO LIMIT THE, THE PROFIT MARGIN? ABSOLUTELY. PART OF ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT REVENUE REQUIREMENT ISSUES OR HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE ENTITLED TO IS WHAT IS THEIR RATE OF RETURN THEY'RE ALLOWED ON THEIR INVESTMENT ON THEIR, THEY CALL IT RATE BASE IN, IN A CASE. AND, UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A RETURN ON EQUITY IN THIS CASE OF OVER 10%, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST. IS THIS SOME THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR, UH, COULD BE PRESSED TO TAKE ACTION ON BY BASICALLY PASSING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD, UH, LIMIT THE PROFIT MARGINS OF, OF, OF CONED DURING, YOU KNOW, RATE, RATE HIKE REQUESTS? UH, CERTAINLY THE FUTURE THEY COULD DO, YES. THE REASONABLE LEGISLATION BEING, UH, DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW AT THE STATE LEVEL, THAT WOULD PUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FORMAT ON HOW THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION REVIEWS, BUT THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THIS PARTICULAR RATE CASE. AND, UH, I, I THINK JOEL MENTIONED IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY, SO WHAT'S LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GONNA START THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND THEN, AND THERE'S GONNA BE TESTIMONY ENTERED AND, UH, AND THE INFORMATION PROVIDED COUNTER, AND THEN THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION IS LIKELY GOING TO SAY, ALRIGHT, WE WANT YOU TO ENTER INTO SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS. ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTY TO THE, UH, CASE WILL BE PART OF THAT SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS. IS THAT CORRECT, JOEL? THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE CONFIDENTIAL SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS THAT GONNA, THAT PARTIES ARE ABLE TO ATTEND AND, UH, THE COUNTY IS ALSO A PARTY, SO THEY'LL BE IN THE ROOM AS WELL. UH, TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS I WANT YOU TO MENTION. WE DIDN'T MENTION THAT OTHER THINGS GETS REVIEWED AS CAPITAL INVESTMENT CA CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED AS PART OF THE RATE CASE. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WEST WESTCHESTER'S WELL REPRESENTED IN THE MONEY, WHATEVER MONEY'S ALLOCATED FOR CAPITAL, THAT IT'S NOT ALL, FOR INSTANCE, MOSTLY GOING TO NEW YORK CITY. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WESTCHESTER AND NEW YORK IN THIS RATE CASE. UH, AND THE LAST THING I JUST WANT YOU TO MENTION, JUST TO TOUCH BACK ON THE BENEFITS, THE ONE THING I I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS EVERYONE WHO JOINS AS EQUAL [00:15:01] STANDING HERE, YOU KNOW, NOT ANY, NO ONE COMMUNITY'S GONNA BE REPRESENTING YOU, IT'S JOEL'S REPRESENTING YOU. UM, HE'D BE REPRESENTING GREENBERG AS WELL AS ALL THE INDIVIDUAL MUNICIPALITIES. RAD BROOK HAS JUST AGREED TO COORDINATE. AND THAT'S JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE WON'T BE A SEPARATE SUBCOMMITTEE OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT IS MAKING DECISIONS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. EVERYONE IS EQUAL STANDING AND AND YOU'LL BE GETTING INFORMATION ALONG THE WAY FROM JOEL IN TERMS OF UPDATES OF THE CASE AND THE SETTLEMENT. SO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT FROM, FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S PART AS, AS A PARTY TO THIS, UH, TO THIS, TO THIS RAPE CASE. THANK YOU, CHRIS. AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF, I MAY HAVE SAID THIS LAST WEEK, BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT AFTER TWO SUCCESSIVE HURRICANES, UM, MUNICIPALITIES INCLUDING THE COUNTY AND STATE GOT TOGETHER AND THEY FORMED UNITED WESTCHESTER AND THEY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND MADE A, A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH THEY BROUGHT TO THE PSC. AND, AND AMONG THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT CONED, NOT PA CONED AND THE OTHER, UM, NYSEG, I THINK NOT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, FOR EACH NOT PASS ON THE COST OF THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF IT WAS DUE TO OUTDATED EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH THAT IT NOT BE PASSED ON TO THE END USERS. AND PSC DID ULTIMATELY TAKE UP MOST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF IN SO FAR AS BY COME SPEAKING BEFORE PSC AND HAPPY HAVING REPRESENTATION BEFORE THE PSC DOES HAVE ITS BENEFITS. THIS IS GREAT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IN THE WATER SCENARIOS OF WHERE WE HAVE THE CASES CON, UH, THE WATER COMPANY CAN'T BILL OVER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF UNALLOCATED WATER. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN DIS YOU KNOW, THROUGH ALL THESE RATE CASES HAD TO BE RESOLVED BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE UNACCOUNTED COLD WATER. SO AFTER A CERTAIN LIMIT, THEY HAVE TO EAT THAT AMOUNT AND NOT, THEY CAN'T PASS THAT ON TO THE RATE THERE. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT GETS DISCUSSED IN THE RATE CASES. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. UM, SO IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAVE 28 COMMUNITY MUNICIPALITIES THAT SEEM CLOSE TO SIGNING ON. SO WITH EACH ONE THAT ADDS IN, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE, THE BUY-IN IS, IS LOWER THE PRICE DOWN OKAY. FOR EVERY YEAH, IT, IT'S ADD 20, IT WOULD BE 5,000 EACH. AND FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY IT'S JUST DIVIDING OUT FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND. UH, SO EVERYTHING REDUCES FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL MEMBER OF MUNICIPALITY. RIGHT. AND YOU HAD SAID AT THE MEETING THAT THE DEADLINE WAS THE END OF MARCH. CORRECT? IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL DEADLINE. OKAY. BUT YEAH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT SO WE CAN START, SO JOEL KNOWS HE'D LIKE TO ENTER IN SAYING WHO HE'S, WHO HE'S REPRESENTING MM-HMM. TO THIS PARTY. MM-HMM . OKAY. WE HAVE TO GET THE EXPERT ON BOARD AND GOING. SO YEAH, THE EXPERT HAS TO GET, GET GOING. THAT TESTIMONY IS DUE IN MAY. SO DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR TOWN, THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, AND I'M WONDERING IF, UH, THE BOARD WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BASICALLY BE WILLING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR A VOTE NEXT A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY MM-HMM . BECAUSE THIS WAY, UH, CHRIS AND JOEL WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY TO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNSURE, OH, NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT'S MM-HMM . THAT'S PARTICIPATING AND YEAH. I THINK THIS IS REALLY LIKE TERRIFIC WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I, YEAH, I FEEL, I THINK, UH, AMY PAULIN AT THE WESTCHESTER MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS ASSOCIATION SAID, IF COMMUNITIES DON'T DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA BE SCREWED. THAT WAS EXACTLY WORDS. THOSE WERE HER WORDS. EXACTLY. , UH, UM, I TOOK NOTES. UM, SO WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY WANT TO, UM, FIGHT THE RATE HIKES AND EVERYBODY, EVERY RESIDENT THAT I SPEAK TO IS UPSET, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ACTION STEP THAT WE COULD TAKE, UH, WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WILL SAY WE DIDN'T TRY MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY GIVE RATE HIKES ANYWAY, SO. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. SO THAT'S GOOD. SO WE'RE ALSO, SO ARE WE, SHOULD WE, OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE, ARE WE ALL IN FAVOR OF IT? I, I CERTAINLY AM. COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON IS? YES. OKAY, GOOD. SO, SO WE WILL, WE'LL PUT, WE'LL APPROVE THIS NEXT WE A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE A GOOD ADVOCATE, EVERYBODY. THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS A LOT. I HAVE HOPE YOU HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS WITH THE PSC AS YOU HAD WITH THE TOWN BOARD. . . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHRIS. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU TOO, BYEBYE. OKAY. NEXT, UH, ON OUR LIST WE HAVE OUR, UM, DISCUSSION OF CURBSIDE PICKUP OF, UM, FOOD SCRAPS. CAN I GET [00:20:02] ANYONE, SARAH, UP HERE? I REMEMBER YOUR PRESENTATION. I SAW MY DESK. UH, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN SUPERVISOR. YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT SARAH JUST KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK COMPLETELY. AND I THINK SHE'S MADE US EVEN AS A CAC MORE AWARE OF THE NEED TO START TO MOVE TO HANDLING COMPOSTING. AS I JOKED BEFORE WE SPENT OUR LAST MEETING JUST TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE , CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? OH, I'M SORRY. I'M THERESA TORI, CHAIR OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL. UM, I'M SARAH WHO, AND I'M A STUDENT AT EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL. HI, I AM ALLISON GILMORE. I'M A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL. SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE COME TO REALIZE, LOOKING AT THIS PROBLEM, WE KNOW THE COUNTY IS LOOKING TO MOVE US TO START TO HANDLE COMPOSTABLE MATERIAL. UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A POPULATION IN THE TOWN THAT IS DOING THIS. THEY'RE TAKING MATERIALS TO ANTHONY VETERAN PARK MM-HMM . SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY FOREIGN. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY DOING THIS. I THINK THE ECONOMICS AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, SARAH ABSOLUTELY ADDRESSED. SO I THINK THE QUESTION WITH THIS REALLY BECOMES, IS IT DOABLE? AND HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING IT? UM, FOR INSTANCE, WHY DON'T YOU SAY WHAT IS, DO IT FOR THE PUBLIC. WHAT IS IS WHAT DOABLE IS WHAT DOABLE HAVING PICK UP CURBSIDE BY THE TOWN. SO FOOD, SCRAP PICKUP. MM-HMM . SO, AND THERE'S, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION IT'S NOT JUST VETERANS PARK, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS ACROSS GREENBURG WHERE PEOPLE ARE DROPPING OFF THEIR FOOD SCRAPS ON A REGULAR RIGHT OVER HERE. SITTING RIGHT HERE, HERE. DOWN HALL . SO, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AND WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE SAID, WELL, WHICH DAY IS THE BEST DAY? AND SO WE DID A SURVEY AROUND THE TABLE DISCUSSING OUR VARIOUS GARBAGE HABITS. AND WE REALLY FEEL THAT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A DAY, IT'S THE SECOND PICKUP DAY, BECAUSE WE FELT THAT A GARBAGE SECOND, A GARBAGE PICKUP DAY DAY. BECAUSE WHAT WE FELT, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY TERRY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR IF I'M CONFUSED. MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE CONFUSED. SO WE, THE MAN OF THE HOUR HERE, THERE'S SOME REASON IT WASN'T BROADCASTING UPSTAIRS, IT WAS JUST ASK TERRANCE ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I'LL CHECK. YEAH, I THINK, LEMME ASK, DO YOU WANNA PULL UP THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER? SURE. JUST LEMME CHECK WHEN YOU'RE DONE. CHECKING. THANK YOU. YEAH. CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE DAYS AND EVERYTHING? OH, YES, CERTAINLY. SO WE, THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO WE BASICALLY, I'LL WAIT, I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE COMMISSIONER COMES BACK. LET'S SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BROADCAST. SURE. IF YOU CAN HOLD ON FOR A FEW MOMENTS. NO PROBLEM. SORRY IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAVING PROBLEM WITH THE BROADCAST. WE JUST REALIZED NOW THAT IT WAS NOT BROADCASTING AND IT, SO IT'S BROADCASTING. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BROADCASTING THROUGH THE CABLE OR IF IT'S NOT BROADCASTING THROUGH THE RIGHT. MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE WITH OUR UPSTAIRS FEED OR SOMETHING. ALL MAYBE NOT COMING. I'M WATCHING IT ON TWO DIFFERENT COMPUTERS. YOU'RE FINE. MY OFFICE. SO MAYBE, SO IT MUST BE YOUR OFFICE. OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER, IF YOU COULD JUST COME, SO WE DO HAVE OUR GUEST HERE. MM-HMM . WE JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO, UM, SO TERRY, YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED TWO DAYS, THE CHAIR? NO, THE CHAIR IN THE BACK. THIS CHAIR'S IN THE BACK. COMMISSIONER YOU MENTIONED TWO DAYS. SO YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THE SECOND PICKUP DAY, SO THE MAJOR DAY, SO I'M A TUESDAY AND A FRIDAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FRIDAY IS THAT YOU ELIMINATE THE TRASH PICKUP, THIS IS YOUR PROPOSAL. ELIMINATE THE TRASH PICKUP ON THAT SECOND DATE AND JUST SWAP THAT OUT FOR THE COMPOST EVENTUALLY. OKAY. SO JUST CURIOUS. SO, RIGHT, SO THIS WAS THE, THE IDEA, BECAUSE WE, AS I SAID, WE REALLY WENT AROUND AND TALKED ABOUT OUR GARBAGE HABITS AND FELT THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM USING THE WEDNESDAY, LIKE DOING AN ALTERNATE WEDNESDAY BECAUSE OF THE SUMMER WHERE COMPOSTABLE MATERIALS ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU NECESSARILY WANT SITTING OUTSIDE IN JULY. MM-HMM . SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT. MM-HMM . WE THOUGHT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS THE TRUCK. SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU NEED A SPECIAL TRUCK. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE USING CURRENTLY TO TRANSPORT WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONER HERE. SO THE TRANSPORTING IS BEING DONE BY A PRIVATE COMPANY RIGHT NOW. IT'S, IT'S NOT BEING DONE BY GREENBERG. OKAY. THAT'S SUBURBAN. SO THEY HAD THE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT MM-HMM . BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU HAVE FOOD SCRAPS, THERE'S A LOT OF LIQUIDS. YES. AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT SPELLING OUT ONTO THE ROAD. OF COURSE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS, THIS IS THIS, BUT IT WAS, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE TRUCK, BUT THERE WAS A WAY OF ACTUALLY DIVIDING A SECTION OR SOMETHING WITHIN THE EXISTING TRUCK THERE. YEAH. THERE'S A COMPARTMENT IN THE BOTTOM. OKAY. OKAY. THAT HAS TO BE BASICALLY WEATHER TIGHT, WATERPROOF. OKAY. I, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO, I KNOW THAT AT LEAST IN SCARSDALE, THAT [00:25:01] OH, THANK YOU TERENCE IN SCARSDALE, UM, THEY GOT A SEPARATE TRUCK BECAUSE THEY TRIED USING THEIR REGULAR GARBAGE TRUCKS AND THEY, THEY FOUND THAT THERE WAS SOME INFILTRATION THAT COULDN'T BE AVOIDED. AND THEN ONCE THE GARBAGE INFILTRATED THE FOOD SCRAPS, THEY WERE RUINED. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT USING OR REPURPOSING. SO LET ME BRING IT BACK TO GREENBERG COMMISSIONER. IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE OUTSOURCING US TO A PRIVATE COMPANY? BECAUSE THE TRUCKS MAY NOT BE EQUIPPED ENOUGH OR READY TO HANDLE THAT SORT OF NO, IT'S OKAY. I JUST WANTED, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S STAFFING AND IT'S SCHEDULE. MM-HMM . SORRY. SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR NOW WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. MM-HMM . UH, SANITATION DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY PICK UP MM-HMM . UH, YARD WASTE, HOUSEHOLD DEBRIS, COMMINGLES PAPER. MM-HMM . THEY DO THE ROADSIDE CLEANUP. THIS IS A STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT ISSUE. MM-HMM . SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN MORE PEOPLE TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THIS ADDITIONAL WORK. SO IF YOU COMPARE THE AMOUNT, THE COST OF THE PRIVATE COMPANY MM-HMM . AS, SO I'M GONNA PROBABLY JUMP A LITTLE BIT, TERRY, I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THE TRUCK. OKAY. I'LL LET YOU DO YOUR SUGGESTION FIRST BEFORE. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SORT OF IN HOW SOMEONE MAKES SOMETHING A HALF, YOU KNOW, A OFFHAND COMMENT AND THEN YOU REALIZE THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION. LIZ SILVERSTEIN SAID, WELL, WELL MAYBE WE COULD USE SCOTTSDALE'S TRUCK. AND THAT LIT A LIGHT BULB IN MY HEAD BECAUSE I WONDER WHETHER SCARSDALE IS REALLY USING THEIR TRUCK FIVE DAYS. THEY ARE. NO, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU. THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. , THEY DO PICK UP TWO DAYS A WEEK. RIGHT. SHARING TWO DAYS A WEEK IN SCARSDALE. SO MAYBE, SO MAYBE TO START, WE COULD MAKE SOME SORT OF ARRANGEMENT WITH SCARSDALE TO USE THEIR TRUCK. AND THAT WOULD GIVE US A STARTING POINT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BACK TO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED RECYCLING AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WORK INTO THIS. AND WE, OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT IF WE COULD OFFER, FIRST OFF, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A BIG ROLLOUT. SO YOU GET THE COMMUNITY AWARE OF IT. MM-HMM . IF WE'D HAVE THE TYPE OF THING WHERE PEOPLE SAID THEY WANTED TO DO IT, SO WE WOULDN'T BE EXPECTING EVERYONE TO DO IT. BUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO INDICATED THEY WANTED TO DO IT, THE TOWN WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THE APPROPRIATE CONTAINER TO PUT OUT MM-HMM . AND THEN WE COULD START TO SEE HOW IT WORKED OUT. MM-HMM . AND HOW MUCH PARTICIPATION WE WERE GETTING. BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU REALLY START TO GET MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING? MM-HMM . UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE A QUESTION ON. TIPPING FEES ARE TIPPING FEES DONE PER TRUCKER, BY THE WAY OF THE TRUCK. IT'S THE WEIGHT. THE WEIGHT. SO THEY'LL COME HERE, THEY'LL PICK UP THIS, THESE THREE, THEY ALSO GO TO VETERAN PARK AND PICK IT UP. UM, SO, AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THE BEGINNING, BUT WHAT IS THE PROPOSED PLAN? YOU WANNA DO A PILOT PROGRAM OR YOU, I, I THINK A PILOT PROGRAM IN A SENSE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE DOING IT. OBVIOUSLY IF WE OFFER IT AS A SERVICE AND AS A COMPLETE DISASTER THAT YOU PULL BACK FROM IT. BUT WE WERE THINKING MAYBE WHAT THE TOWN SHOULD TRY IS TO OFFER IT AS WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS NOW, BUT WE WANT YOU TO LET US KNOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. AND I REALIZE IN TERMS OF THE ROUTE, BUT IT'S HARD TO DIVIDE THE TOWN UP OTHER THAN TO DO THE WHOLE TOWN. WELL WE HAVE IT DIVIDED UP NOW, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS. HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN EACH OF THE AREAS THAT WANT TO DO FOOD SCRAP RECYCLING, IT MEANS THAT THAT TRUCK THAT IF IT'S BORROWED, UM, WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND THE ENTIRE TOWN. RIGHT. THE TWO, TWO AREAS. SO THE TWO DAYS. RIGHT. BUT THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE TOO IS THEN TO JUST PLAY OFF OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID, COMMISSIONER RICHARD FOND. UM, THAT, UM, THAT IF YOU'RE THINKING OF DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME AS WE'RE DOING FOR REGULAR GARBAGE PICKUP, THAT MEANS THAT YOU, YOU'RE HAVING A WHOLE OTHER ADDITIONAL CREW AT THE SAME TIME. SO THAT'S PERSONNEL. UM, AND, AND THE, THE COMMISSIONER CAN COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE OTHER THING IS THAT I, I, NOW IT'S BEEN MAYBE TWO YEARS SINCE I DID A TOUR OF THE SCARSDALE, THEIR, THEIR PROCESS. BUT AT THE TIME I ASKED, UM, [00:30:01] WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF, OF TONNAGE WAS FOR FOOD SCRAPPING AMONG THE, THE GROUP THAT DID BUY IN AND THE, THE, THOSE THAT HADN'T OPTED IN. AND IT, THERE WAS SIX TONS, IF I'M RECALLING PROPERLY. SIX TONS OF GARBAGE PICKED UP, UM, FOOD SCRAP, WHICH SOUNDED GREAT. NOW SCAR STILL'S A LOT SMALLER THAN WE ARE TOO. UM, BUT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 40 TONS OF REGULAR GARBAGE. SO TAKING, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND CERTAINLY THE COSTS OF HAVING ADDITIONAL CREW. AND I TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONER. NO, BUT BEFORE I, HOLD ON. I'M TRYING, I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE PATIENTLY. SO I'M GONNA BE THE BAD, I'M GONNA BE THE, UM, BAD PERSON IN THE ROOM. BAD COP. WELL, I'M GONNA BE THE BAD PERSON. I'M GONNA BE THE BAD PERSON IN THE ROOM. MY COST, LIKE, MY CONCERN IS THE COST. SO EITHER, WHETHER, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF. I KNOW THAT 'CAUSE I'M THE LIAISON, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF. UM, AND I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER, UM, BUT THE, ALSO THE CONCERN IS WHAT IS THE COST ON THE SCARSDALE END? SO WE NEED TO WEIGH THE COST. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANNA JUMP RIGHT IN AND DO IT. THAT'S OH, NO, NO, NO. UNDERSTANDABLY. BUT YOU, I I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE BANK . SO WE KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS AN ISSUE. SO WE JUST NEED, THIS IS, THIS IS, THAT'S WHY WE FEEL IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO INTO WITH ALL THE THINGS IN PLACE. WHICH IS WHY I WAS ANXIOUS TO HAVE YOU HERE BECAUSE I THINK MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SAY WE WANNA DO SOMETHING. RIGHT. BUT THEN THERE'S THE REALITY OF ROLLING IT OUT, GETTING THE RIGHT PAS, GETTING THE RIGHT TRUCK. THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE TONNAGE IS LONG TERM, IF WE COULD GET PEOPLE TO DO THIS, THE TIPPING FEES ON UM, GARBAGE IN GENERAL ARE HEAVY. THE TRUCK WEIGHT IS HEAVY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE COMPOSTABLES IN THE TRUCK, WHICH WEIGH A LOT 'CAUSE OF THE WATER LOT. SO THAT'S THE LONG TERM UPSIDE. MM-HMM . BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE THE SHORT TERM WHERE WE HAVE TO BASICALLY DO PICK UP TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS. MM-HMM . BUT WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE PICK UP THE PAPER ON THOSE DAYS? WE'RE PICKING UP TWO TYPES OF MATERIALS ALSO, AREN'T WE? DIFFERENT CREWS. DIFFERENT CREWS. SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW. YES. I'M GONNA TRY TO YES, PLEASE BRING US ALL TOGETHER. BRING IT ALL TOGETHER. YES. SO CJ GERARDO, WHO'S OUR DEPUTY TOWN ENGINEER, WORKED FOR COUNTY, DEF, THEY HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM NOW. THEY HAVE AN AREA THAT THEY'RE USING TO TAKE THE MATERIAL AND COMPOST IT. MM-HMM . THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING THAT. MM-HMM . IT'S A LONG TERM PROJECT. MM-HMM . WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS ALSO REALLY STEPPING UP THEIR GAME. THEY'VE HAD A FEW, UH, MEETINGS WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF REACHING OUT AND EDUCATING PEOPLE ON RECYCLING. 'CAUSE I'M GONNA BE FRANK, WE PICK UP THE GARBAGE. SOMETIMES WE BRING IT TO THE DUMP, ESPECIALLY THE CONTAINER ROOTS AND WE DUMP IT AND WE'RE GETTING FINED FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY 'CAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO THE FIRST THING WE REALLY GOTTA WORK ON IS PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR. RIGHT. MOST OF WHAT YOU PUT IN THE GARBAGE CAN BE RECYCLED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I'LL BE HONEST, AT HOME I TAKE IT AND I PUT IT IN THE BACKYARD. I DON'T PUT IT IN THE GARBAGE. I TOLD MY WIFE I DID, WHEN I GO AT SOME POINT, I WANT TO SAY KING OF THE RECYCLING, , JESUS, MOST OF WHAT YOU PUT IN THE GARBAGE CAN BE PUT ELSEWHERE. RIGHT. YOURS, YES. THE GARBAGE SHOULD BE THE SMALLEST PORTION, BUT IT'S PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR. AND WESTCHESTER COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS REALLY STARTING TO GET OUT THERE AND EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THAT. SO THE COUNTY'S DOING A LOT. IF THEY AT SOME POINT HAVE AN, AN AREA WHERE THIS STUFF CAN BE BROUGHT TO AND TREATED BY A MUNICIPAL ENTITY, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE FANTASTIC. BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. IN THE MEANTIME, GREENBURG AS WHEN WE WENT WITH THE SIDE LOADERS, RIGHT. WE NOW HAVE A PROGRAM, IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN SCHEDULE BULK GARBAGE. I'LL GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS. 'CAUSE THE AMOUNT OF BULK GARBAGE PICKS UP IS, IS OFF THE CHARTS. MM-HMM . AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT THE SUPERVISOR TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATING ONE DAY OF GARBAGE. I WILL BE DEAD HONEST WITH YOU, I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING HERE. NOW, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE AS THINGS CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW THOSE TRUCKS ARE RUNNING AND THEY'RE FULL. SO WHAT I DO THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY OUTLINE FOR EVERYBODY WHICH DAYS ARE FOR GARBAGE, WHICH IS FOR RECYCLING AND WHICH IS FOR BIGGER VARIES SCHEDULE. YEAH. IT VARIES BY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. DIFFERENT SCHEDULES FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN. BUT WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAIT, WAIT, CAN I JUST WANNA SAY, SO FOLLOW UP ON, SO YOUR, ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS, UH, ONE OF, UH, THE [00:35:01] BIG PROBLEMS IS THAT 90% OF THE PLASTIC RECYCLING GETS IS NOT RECYCLED. SO, AND PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT. SO THE THING IS, WHEN YOU REAL, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HABITS, WHEN I WROTE TO THE COUNTY, UM, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, AND YOU KNOW, I BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING LIKE A FORTUNE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR PLASTICS COMMINGLES INTO RECYCLING AND THEY THINK IT'S GONNA BE RECYCLED. AND MOST OF IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR WHAT PEOPLE THINK. SO IF WE COULD REALLY SPEND TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING, UH, RESIDENTS TO RECYCLE THE COMMINGLES, YOU KNOW, CORRECTLY, THERE'LL BE MUCH LESS COMMINGLES THAT, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT AFTER THE COMMISSIONER FINISHES WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO COMMISSIONER, YOU WANNA COMPLETE, BUT I, I DO. THE COUNTY IS REALLY STEPPING UP THEIR GAME WITH THAT. SO THEY'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S ATTENDED THEM. THEY'RE REALLY PUSHING THE RECYCLING END NOW. AND AGAIN, IF WE DO THE WRONG THING, WE'RE GETTING FINED. MM-HMM . SO IF WE HAVE A CONTAINER ROUTE AND IT'S HAPPENED, SO NOW WE'RE SENDING LETTERS TO ALL THE BULK PICKUP AREAS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET FINED. SO I THINK THE FIRST PART IS THE EDUCATION PART. RIGHT. DEFINITELY. THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THIS WOULD BE ROLLED OUT, WHERE IT'S FAIR TO EVERYONE. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. IT'S, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT AVAILABLE, IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF BUY IN WE GET. 'CAUSE WE GET PEOPLE DRIVING IN THEIR TRUCKS HALFWAY ACROSS TOWN TO LEAVE MATERIAL HERE. SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET BUYIN. YEAH. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT FIRST. I KNOW GARRETT TOCA, WHO I, I SAW HIM WALKING BOARD, I SAW HIM MORE BUYIN. HE'S VERY GOOD AT THESE SURVEYS. I THINK MAYBE WE PUT OUT A SURVEY. I THINK HE USES A SURVEY MONKEY. YOU CAN DO SURVEYMONKEY COULD PUT IT RIGHT ONLINE, PUT IT OUT. LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF BUYING. IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE WOULD SIT WITH OUR REPAIR BUREAU, THE ERB, TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE TO THESE TRUCKS, HOW MUCH MONEY IT'S GONNA COST. MM-HMM . WE COULD CERTAINLY SIT DOWN WITH THE CONTROLLER AND THE UNION AND THE STAFFING. YES. FOR THE STAFFING PURPOSES. MM-HMM . TO SEE WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST. MM-HMM . UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK I OFFERED TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF WITH THE GROUP TO REALLY GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THIS IS GONNA COST. WHAT MATERIALS DO WHAT, WHAT EXTRA MATERIALS DO YOU HAVE TO BUY. AND BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAD, I KNOW, I KNOW REMEMBER THE, THE GREEN BUCKETS THAT, THAT WAS GIVEN OUT. IS THAT THE ONLY MATERIAL? I'M SORRY. YES. CAN I, I'M GONNA STOP US. YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING FOR THE LAST FEW MINUTES. PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY LEFT. OKAY. SO, UM, JUST ABOUT LIKE THE GREEN PAILS AND STUFF. UM, I KNOW CURRENTLY YOU CAN BUY THEM FOR LIKE $20. SO IF WE DON'T WANNA TAKE THE COST OURSELVES, WE COULD OFFER THEM AND IT'S ONLY $20. THEY GET A BIG PAIL, A SMALL PAIL AND A SET OF LIKE, UM, COMPOSTABLE BAGS THAT THEY COULD PUT EVERYTHING IN. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND THEN ALSO, UM, JUST LIKE SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADD ABOUT SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IS ABOUT THE COST. AND I KNOW LIKE THAT'S A REALLY BIG CONCERN FOR US BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO CARRY THE COSTS OF LIKE AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAM IF THEY AREN'T IN FAVOR OF IT. AND, UM, I THINK I TALKED TO SCARSDALE EARLIER AND THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVEN'T NOTICED, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE A VERY COST NEUTRAL PROGRAM. IT HASN'T INCREASED THEIR COST BECAUSE THE, UM, TIPPING FEES FOR THE WHEEL BRAIDER ARE VERY, UM, A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE CURRENT PLACE WHERE THEY'RE SENDING THEIR COMPOSTABLE, COMPOSTABLE MATERIALS, WHICH IS THAT SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT. SO THEY SAVE MONEY THROUGH THAT AND THEY'RE ALSO PARTICIPATING IN THE, UM, R-F-S-C-A-D PROGRAM. IT'S LIKE THE COUNTY PROGRAM THAT HELPS SUBSIDIZE THE, UM, COST FOR TRANSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL OF FOOD SCRAPS. SO THOSE THINGS KIND OF HELP BALANCE IT OUT. I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THE PERSONNEL. SO IT DEPENDS ON LIKE HOW MUCH, UM, FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM RESIDENTS IN OUR TOWN AND HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE'RE GETTING. AND I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE SURVEY SO THAT IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT AGREED. UM, WE COULD MAYBE START INVESTING IN LIKE POSSIBLY HAVING MORE EMPLOYEE AND PERSONNEL FOR THAT. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. I I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN YOU SPOKE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. YEAH. WHAT IF WE BASICALLY SAID TO PEOPLE ALL OVER THE TOWN, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TEST OUT THIS AS A PILOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT STUDYING AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT, WE'RE GONNA TEST IT OUT AND ONE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IN, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S SELECTED WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO, UM, ONE DAY A WEEK, YOU KNOW, PICK UP. SO LET'S SAY YOU REACHED OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE A REAL ACTIVIST AND YOU'RE A GOOD ORGANIZER. AND LET'S SAY WE REACH OUT TO PEOPLE, GO, YOU KNOW, GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE REALLY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT COMPOSTING, UH, FOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S REALLY GOTTEN DONE. THE CURBSIDE AND THERE IS AN EXPENSE. BUT [00:40:01] IF WE COULD GET A NEIGHBORHOOD TO TEST IT OUT, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT MY SISTER LIVES IN SCARSDALE AND FOX MEADOW ROAD. AND UM, YOU DON'T NEED TWO DAYS A WEEK GARBAGE PICK UP IF YOU, IF YOU DO THE ORG, THE FOOD SCRAP, YOU KNOW, RECYCLING. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW, I THINK BASED ON ONE PERSON SURVEY RIGHT. I THINK WE'LL GET THERE EVENTUALLY. EVENTUALLY. THANK YOU. BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA START OUT BY TAKING AWAY SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH. TO START TO MAKE A POINT. AND I HAVE A PROBLEM IN PICKING OUT ONE AREA. I AGREE. THANK YOU. YOU . YOU KNOW, I THINK TO GO TOWN WIDE WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED AND WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE COST ISSUES. YEAH. MM-HMM . AND, AND THE TRUCK ISSUE. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THE SCARSDALE SUGGESTION, , IT'S A GREAT IDEA. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THANK YOU LIZ. AND IT WAS SUCH, SUCH AN HAN COMMENT AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL WANT THE SAME THING AND WE ARE SENSITIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I THINK IF WE COULD DO A SURVEY, SEE HOW MUCH INTEREST THAT GENERATES, AND THEN SLOWLY COME UP WITH A PROGRAM TO TRY AND WORK ON THAT SECOND GARBAGE PICKUP DAY THAT EVERYONE HAS. BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE WHERE I THINK IT'S, UH, AFTER THE WEEKEND. SO I THINK MOST OF US, IF WE HAVE EXTRA GARBAGE, IT TENDS TO BE MORE CENTERED ON THE WEEKEND THAN, THAN MIDDLE MIDWEEK. SO I THINK IT'S A, AN EASIER ONE TO GET PEOPLE USED TO AND, AND TO GO FORWARD WITH AT LEAST A WORKING PLAN. AND I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION TO REALLY SIT DOWN AND START TO LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS IS WHERE WE NEED TO GO. YEAH. AND EDUCATION IN YOUR AREA. WE CAN, WE CAN COME TO YOU AND SAY, WE THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO HAS TO MAKE IT EXECUTABLE. AND I, I THINK ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. I THINK IT DOES TAKE TIME. AND THE ONE THING WE ARE GONNA BE PUSHING AGAIN, WHICH WE DID PUSH A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE TOOK IT FROM SCARSDALE, MICHELLE STERLING, JEFF COLEMAN IS A RECYCLING YARD WHERE WE WANT RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO BRING US THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISPOSE OF. AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES IS SCARSDALE, THEY, EVERYBODY'S BEEN TO THEIR YARD. YEAH. THE OILS, THE PAINT, EVERYTHING. EYEGLASSES, EVERYTHING. FURNITURE, EVERYTHING YOU COULD WANT. BOOKS, WE REALLY NEED TO CLOTHING EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO RELO THAT. AND WE HAD AN AREA, UM, I STILL STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD AREA, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOUR GROUP AND EXPLORE THAT AND GET YOUR ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE I KNOW THE FURNITURE THING IS ONE WHERE A LOT OF THE FURNITURE PEOPLE GET RID OF IS USABLE. MM-HMM . WE HAVE THESE RECYCLING DAYS AND WE HAVE 'EM A FEW TIMES A YEAR. AND OUR SANITATION DEPARTMENT HAS ACTUALLY ASKED US TO HAVE ONE IN MAY MM-HMM . UH, SO WE'RE GONNA START LOOKING AT THAT NOW. BUT IF WE HAD THAT ON A DAILY BASIS AND A SATURDAY WHERE PEOPLE COULD BRING THINGS MM-HMM . I THINK IT WOULD HELP EVERYBODY. MM-HMM . IN SCARSDALE, THEY HAVE A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT SHIPPED. EXACTLY. PEOPLE GO IN THERE NOW. IT'S TERRIFIC WHERE WE COULD DO IT. I KNOW, UM, WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB, WE HAVE A RESIDENT MANAGER IN THE BUILDING. HE HAS BASICALLY FURNISHED HIS APARTMENT BY GOING THAT'S GREAT. WHEN HE TAKES, TAKES STUFF TO THE, TO THERE AND HE LOOKS THROUGH AND HE'S, HE'S BROUGHT BACK SOME REALLY LOVELY STUFF. YEAH. HOW MUCH WOULD A COST TO DO? YEAH. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY, SO GOING BACK TO THE EDUCATION PIECE, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL FACILITIES, WHICH IS, AND THEY'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING IT FOR A LONG TIME AND SARAH ACTUALLY WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE, SPOKE TO SOMEONE FROM THERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, SHE IS PROBABLY BETTER INFORMED THAN ANY OF US ABOUT HOW GREAT A JOB THAT THEY'VE DONE. BUT THAT EDUCATION PIECE IS SO IMPORTANT. AND YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE, THE TOWN CAN ASSIST IN THAT BECAUSE THAT, AND, AND JUST THINK ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT. AND ONCE SARAH GOES OFF TO COLLEGE, UM, MAYBE SHE'LL COME BACK TO HELP US OUT WITH . SARAH SAY I'M VOCAL . YEAH. HOW, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO DO LIKE A, THE BASIC UM, TEST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOOD SCRAP RECYCLING? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A TEST. I THINK IT WOULD BE. SO NO. HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WOULD, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT ANOTHER ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITH, AND I'D LOVE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS IS SINCE WE'VE GONE WITH THIS SIDE LOADER, WHICH IS BASICALLY A MACHINE THAT PICKS UP THE CAN THAT IS LOVINGLY CALLED THE EVERYTHING CAN MM-HMM . RIGHT? BECAUSE THE GUYS DON'T, NO ONE'S LIFTING IT UP AND LOOK WHAT'S IN IT BEFORE THEY DUMP. RIGHT. IT'S GETTING TAKEN AND THROWN IN THE TRUNK AND PEOPLE LEAVE. I MEAN YOU CAN'T IMAGINE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SEE WHEN THEY DUMP IT AT THE YARD. SO I DO THINK THERE IS A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND I REALLY WOULD LOOK TO YOUR GROUP [00:45:01] EDUCATION IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST PART OF IT. 'CAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BUSY, PEOPLE WORKING TWO JOBS RUNNING AROUND, IT'S VERY EASY JUST TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THAT CAN AND LEAVE IT AT THE CURB. YEAH. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME TO THE YARD, SEE THE WAY WE WORK. OKAY. REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOME AREAS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR A RECYCLING YARD AND EVEN POSSIBLY AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOME COMPOSTING. UM, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING TO THE COUNTY, UM, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A PILOT. WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR LEAVES CURRENTLY? WE BRING 'EM TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND IT'S A BIG AREA OFF OF TAXI ROAD. UH, AND WE ARE IN THE PROGRAM WITH THE COUNTY AND IMA THEY COME, WE LOAD IT AND THEY TAKE IT AWAY. WE HAVE TWO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT DUMP UP THERE. UM, AND THAT'S AN AREA I'D REALLY LIKE TO SHOW YOU. SO HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLAN? YES. BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO. I JUST AM WONDERING, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU CAN GET TOGETHER SEPARATELY AND JUST HAVE AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION MORE THAN WILLING TO, BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY ALL WANT, EVERYBODY WANTS THE SAME THING AND I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME VISION OF HOW TO HOW TO GET THERE. YEAH. BUT PROBLEM THINK I IS WE, I'M HOLD ON. AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SARAH. SARAH, YEAH. I THINK WE WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD HELP STAFF CREATE THE SURVEY SO WE KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK. I DIDN'T MEAN PUT YOU ON THERE. I, I TEXT GARRETT AND JOE AND YOURSELF IF YOU GUYS COULD WORK AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT SURVEY LOOKS LIKE. 'CAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT AREAS WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE TARGET, WE LOOK AT EVERYONE. BUT I REALLY THINK IF YOU GUYS CAN GET TOGETHER AND REALLY WORK THAT, THAT, THAT'LL BE GREAT. AND, AND AGAIN, TERRY, I LOVE SEEING YOU. I JUST, I'M ALWAYS THE BAD PERSON. ALWAYS GOTTA MOVE THE AGENDA ALONG. 'CAUSE WE JUST HAVE, WE JUST HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN IS THAT PAY FOR US. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'M SORT OF WONDERING IS THERE'S A PRIVATE COMPANY IN HASTINGS THAT DOES FOOD SCRAP, UH, YOU KNOW, CURBSIDE, YOU KNOW, PICKUP, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER INITIATIVE. YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY WANT TO GET SOMETHING, PAUL, WHY DON'T YOU JOIN THEIR CONVERSATION. WHY DON'T MEET WITH THEM? RIGHT. NO, I'M JUST ASKING WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO, FOR THE TOWN TO SORT OF SUBSIDIZE, YOU KNOW, OFFER TO SUBSIDIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THE, THE PROGRAM. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, BUT LET'S TAKE ONE STEP AT A TIME. SUPERVISOR, WHY DON'T WE TAKE ONE STEP AT A TIME, LET THEM DO THEIR HOMEWORK. AND LET'S, I WAS GOING, TERRY IS ALWAYS REALLY GOOD AT REALLY RESPONDING AND REALLY HAVING THESE OPEN CONVERSATIONS. GAMESTERS PICK UP THE GARBAGE. SO IF WE ARE SUBSIDIZING SOMEONE OUTSIDE, SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. CERTAINLY HAVE UNION ISSUES, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU. VERY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. I I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A SHOUT OUT FOR SARAH WHO DID EXTENSIVE, EXTENSIVE WORK AND RESEARCH FOR THIS AND FOR THE C FOR, FOR, FOR THE CONSERVATIONIST AND AMONG US WHO REALLY WORKED HARD WITH HER. ORGANIZE LIKE AN EFFORT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH. EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE PLASTICS. AND MAYBE, MAYBE IF YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PROBABLY, AND GARRETT, GARRETT, DID YOU WANNA COME AND JOIN THE TABLE SO WE CAN, WE CAN BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND A LITTLE BIT. THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT. THANK YOU GARRETT. WHAT YOU HAVE FOR US? HI, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT UPDATE. GARRETT, DUANE, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSERVATION. THANK YOU. SEE YOU ALL. AND COUNCILMAN SHEEN, WHAT I'M DISTRIBUTING RIGHT NOW, UH, SHOULD BE IN YOUR INBOX. UM, OKAY. IS THIS A REVISION OF WHAT YOU SENT EARLIER? YES. THERE'S TWO UPDATES I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. AND THE FIRST IS MINOR CHANGES WITH RESPECT TO THE LOCAL LAW THAT WE WOULD HYPOTHETICALLY POST FOR THE, UM, MEETING 3 26 AND THEN ALSO EXECUTION OF THE TOWN WIDE, UH, LETTER THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. SO IT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START WITH THE LOCAL LAW AND, UH, THREE CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND THEN IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, WE'LL POST THIS LOCAL LAW AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, OF COURSE JUST LET ME KNOW. BUT UNDER SIX SECTION 15 NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND I PUT THIS IN RED AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. WHEN THERE'S CHANGES, WE UH, PUT THE FONT IN RED SO RESIDENTS CAN SEE THAT CLEARLY. NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WHERE I'M NOT SEEING 15, I'M SAYING OKAY, ON PAGE SEVEN. PAGE SEVEN, UH, SECTION 15, I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. MM-HMM . UH, SO PAGE SEVEN, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER SECTION 15 WHERE ANY ORAL OR, OR WERE ANY ORAL WHERE ANY, ALL OF THE FOLLOWING EXIST. AND NUMBER ONE FORMERLY SAID LACK OF AVAILABLE OFF STREET PARKING. AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WAS A TYPO. IT ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE SAID ON STREET PARKING, ON STREET PARKING, RIGHT OFF STREET PARKING, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A REQUIREMENT. AND THAT DOES, THERE'S NO VARI, THERE'S NO [00:50:01] VARYING FROM THAT SHORT OF SOMEONE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD, GETTING A VARIANCE. COUNCILMAN SHEEN, I THINK CORRECTLY HIGHLIGHTED THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON OUR RADAR. SO I BELIEVE WE'VE CORRECTED A LONGSTANDING TYPO. MM-HMM . SO WHAT THIS MEANS, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT. OKAY. UM, WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR VISITORS, BUT THERE ARE SOME ROADS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WHERE THERE'S JUST ABSOLUTELY NO ON-STREET PARKING. AND I CAN THINK OF AT LEAST 10 ROADS OFFHAND. MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MEET THAT, SO WE INDICATED THAT SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS WILL BE REFERRED TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING, UM, TOWN ENGINEER, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONTROL. AND FOR STREETS LIKE THAT, WHERE THERE'S JUST FLAT OUT NO ON STREET PARKING, DESPITE THE FACT THAT SOMEONE MAY SHOW EVIDENCE THAT THEY COULD HAVE THE REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING, THAT MAY NOT BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR AN A DU MM-HMM . SO IT GIVES THE PLANNING BOARD, IT WOULD GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD DISCRETION WHEN ALERTED THAT THERE'S JUST A FLAT OUT LACK OF AVAILABLE ON STREET PARKING. UH, THAT THAT MAY NOT BE A GREAT SITE FOR AN A DU. UM, AND THAT COULD BE, UH, PUT ON THEIR RADAR, IF YOU WILL, VIA TOWN STAFF OR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT'S INTENDED TO DO. DO I HAVE A QUESTION? SURE. THIS WAS ASKED TO ME. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S OFF STREET ON STREET PARKING, WHAT IF WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT I CAN PARK THE CAR IN THE GARAGE IN THE DRIVEWAY, WILL WE, WILL YOU STILL CONSIDER ME FOR MY, MY, MY TENANT IF YOU WILL? UM, IF I'M ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT I CAN PARK A CAR IN A GARAGE, I MEAN, YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT. MM-HMM . IN ADDITION TO THE TWO, UH, BASELINE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED, IF YOU HAVE A STUDIO OR A ONE BEDROOM A DU, YOU HAVE TO SHOW EVIDENCE THAT THAT THIRD CAN BE SAFELY PARKED IN A DRIVEWAY OFF STREET. OKAY. PERIOD. THIS IS OVER AND ABOVE THAT FOR, RIGHT. SO THERE IS, SO IF THERE ARE VISITORS, A HOMEOWNER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET AN A DU TO APPLY FOR AN A DU. RIGHT? HOWEVER BE CLEAR, I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR. HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING REQUIREMENTS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, IS THAT IF THEN EITHER THE ORIGINAL HOME OWNER OR THE RESIDENT OF THE A DU HAS A GUEST OVER AND THERE'S NO OFF ON STREET PARKING, THE GUEST CANNOT, WOULD NOT BE ABLE, BUT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY KNOW UNLESS WE MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGNAGE IS, AND THEY MIGHT IGNORE IT, UM, IS, IS ADEQUATE. UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE A DISINCENTIVE TO GRANT THE PERMISSION FOR THE A DU. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS TO INDICATE. I THIS IS YOU ONLY, YOU ONLY NEED TO SHOW THAT THERE'S ONE OFF STREET PARKING. IT SAYS LACK OF AVAILABLE OFF STREET, UH, UH, ON STREET PARKING MATTER, BUT IT DOESN'T. THAT WOULD BE ONE. CAN WE TIE IT TO THIS SECTION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE OFF STREET PARKING? SO YOU CAN HAVE GUESTS, BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THE MALL CARPOOL. SO NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER IS, IS, UM, I KNOW THERE'S, YOU CAN ATTRIBUTE THAT TO A CHALLENGE FOR, UM, GUEST PARKING AND IF THERE'S STREETS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE CHRONICALLY JUST OVERCROWDED AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DEEMED THAT THERE MAYBE THERE'S ILLEGAL ON STREET PARKING AND IT'S DIFFICULT TRADITIONALLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TRAVERSE DOWN THAT ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE MADE KNOWN BY THE FIRE PROFESSIONALS, THE, THE, THE TR TOWN TRAFFIC SAFETY CONTROL OFFICER. AND, UH, IN THAT INSTANCE, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE ADVISED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD BE A FACTOR THAT YOU COULD DENY AN APPLICATION AND I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING IF SOMEONE WAS ADAMANT ABOUT YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I, I'M REFERRING TO. I'M SAYING THAT IF, IF I BELIEVE FRANCIS IS SAYING THAT THIS ONLY, UH, GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT ON STREET PARKING IS, IS A CONCERN. WHERE'S THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS? OKAY, THAT IS NUMBER SEVEN ON PAGE SIX. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO FRANCIS? NO, I'M SAYING THAT LET'S SAY YOU, UH, MAXED OUT YOUR DRIVEWAY, YOU HAVE NO ROOM FOR A VISITOR WHERE THE VISITOR PARK. I THINK THE INTENTION HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ON, ON STREET PARKING, BUT AS THIS READS, IT SAYS LACK OF AVAILABLE ON STREET PARKING AMBIGUITY GOES TO THE APPLICANT. IT ALWAYS DOES. AND I JUST SEE THAT EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS IS A, CAN BE CONSIDERED AMBIGUOUS LACK OF AVAILABLE ON STREET PARKING, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT'S AMBIGUOUS, I THINK, BUT IT COULD MEAN JUST ONE SUBSTANDARD STREET WITH WHICH IS NOT DEFINED LACK OF APPROPRIATE [00:55:01] VISUAL SCREENING. WHAT'S APPROPRIATE VISUAL SCREENING OR OTHER INADEQUATE PSYCH CHARACTERISTICS? I MEAN, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER HOW WE GOT BEATEN UP ON THE H AND LPB BY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WERE FORMALLY ON THE PLANNING BOARD SAYING THAT THAT WAS HAD AMBIGUOUS TERMS IN IT. WHEN WE'RE REALLY CHANGING A NUMBER OF MEMBERS. I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMBIGUITY AND AMBIGUITY YOU COULD HAVE, THE TOWN ATTORNEY GOES TO THE APPLICANT. IT'S DIFFICULT THOUGH. THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF SPECIAL PERMIT. YOU WOULD MAKE THAT SAME COMMENT ABOUT MANY OF OUR SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA, AND YOU WOULD DITTO THAT SAME COMMENT. IF YOU LOOK THROUGH, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA ACROSS EVERY COMMUNITY IN WESTCHESTER, NEW YORK STATE AND UNITED STATES, IT IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO ALWAYS ASSIGN, UH, NUMERIC VALUES TO, UH, CRITERIA. NOT SO MUCH NUMERIC VALUES, BUT IF IT'S, IF ANY OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE CODIFIED IN ANY WAY IN TOWN CODE LAW, CAN WE THEN REFER, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO THE LINK IN TOWN CODE THAT WOULD APPLY FOR, AS AN EXAMPLE, NOT AS A DEFINITIVE, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE. WOULD THAT CLARIFY FOR YOU? UM, WELL, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THIS IS TOWN CODE. IT'S WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE . I KNOW, BUT IF, IF IT REFERENCES BACK, I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCILMAN SHEHAN EXPRESSED AND, AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HIS, HIS, UM, HIS STATEMENT THAT IT'S AMBIGUOUS. MAYBE THAT, AND, AND I'M, I DON'T KNOW. I'M ASKING MAYBE THAT WOULD GIVE MORE, SOME MORE CLARITY. UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE, BUT ALSO AT THE END OF THIS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, UH, AT THE END OF THIS, IT SAYS IT GIVES DISCRETION TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO DENY. DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO. SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ON STREET PARKING. DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO DENY IT. IT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE THINK IT SHOULD, THE WAY THIS THING IS MURDERED, MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE APPROPRIATE VISUAL SCREENING. DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO DENY IT. IT SAYS THAT THEY MAY DENY IT. AND I'M JUST, IF WE'RE SETTING UP CRITERIA THAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR MUCH BECAUSE WE GIVE THE DISCRETION TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO DECIDE, UM, SHOULD THAT BE WAIVED. DOES THE TOWN BOARD HAVE FINAL SAY THOUGH ON THIS? NO, NO. ON YOU HAVE FINAL SAY ON THE LOCAL LAW. YES. BUT THE SPECIAL NOT ON, NOT ON THE APPLICATION, ACTUAL APPLICATIONS. IT'S STRUCTURED TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD. MM-HMM. I MEAN, I STILL THINK WHAT I HAVE SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SO FEW UNITS MM-HMM . FOR THE FIRST, FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR SO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY LESS THAN 10 PEOPLE. I WOULD RATHER TEST IT OUT. AND I THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A, UH, A SUNSET PROVISION WHERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAW. WE COULD TWEAK IT, YOU KNOW, THE LAW WOULD BE OVER AT THE END OF A YEAR. AND ANY APPLICATION THAT WOULD BE, UM, SUBMITTED WITHIN THE YEAR WOULD, WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. BECAUSE I, I, I FAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT, NO. YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD, I DON'T WANNA SHOCK ANYBODY, BUT I AGREE WITH PAUL . THAT'S GOOD. I'M SHOCKED. 'CAUSE WITHOUT A SUNSET PROVISION, YOU ARE ACTUALLY GETTING INVESTED RIGHTS TO PEOPLE AND IT'S VERY HARD TO THEN REMOVE WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY GRANTED THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO. BUT WITH A SUB SET PROVISION, UM, WHERE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING EVERYBODY ON NOTICE. THIS MAY NOT EXIST. I THINK IT IS A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE. NOT THAT WE, IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T CONTINUE IT IF IT'S WORKING WELL. UM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE EXPERIMENTING WITH A FUNDAMENTAL ZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UM, AND IT IS KIND OF AN EXPERIMENT, YOU KNOW? AND, UM, I'M SORRY. ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES? OKAY. ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE HAD A, A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF IMPLEMENTING A DU LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, UH, IN CONFLICT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, OR DIDN'T ALLOW PART, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE PARKING, WHATEVER, THESE THINGS, I MEAN, FROM, THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF MUNICIPALITY PASSED THIS AND HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM, SO I WANNA KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS [01:00:01] ARE. LIKE, ARE THERE PROBLEMS WITH THIS SOMEWHERE I HAVEN'T HEARD. THE OTHER THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE DONE IS, LET'S SAY WE LIMITED, I'M JUST THROWING OUT ANOTHER IDEA, UM, SINCE I'M ON A ROLL RIGHT NOW. UH, I, I WAS HOPING THAT THE COMMISSIONER COULD MAYBE ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I, I HAVE, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. I HAVE A COMP, UH, ANOTHER IDEA. LET'S SAY WE SAY FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WE'RE GONNA LIMIT IT TO MAXIMUM 10. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALREADY SAID, WE ALREADY, BUT LEMME JUST SAY I'M SORRY. WHAT IF WE GIVE PREFERENCE? WE SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO IT HAVE TO REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY COULD GET THE, THE IMMEDIATE SS ALL OF TO SIGN, SIGN ON AND SUPPORT IT. THEY WOULD GET PREFERENCE FOR THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIR FOR THE FIRST YEAR. SO YEAH, IN MOST UNFORTUNATELY, UH, IT'S NOT PERMISSIBLE IN ZONING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. JUST, AND I WOULDN'T PUSH YOUR LUCK FOR FRANCIS AGREED WITH YOU ONCE ALREADY. FRANCIS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? ? IT'S A NICE IDEA. I AGREE WITH DARREN. I AGREE WITH DARREN. THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE OBVI, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE AN APPLICATION THAT NEIGHBOR SUPPORTED. IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN'T DO ZONING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. UM, SO, SO WHAT, WOULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO, IN THIS ITERATION WITH SUNSET CLAUSE, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC WITH THAT? UM, WOULD I, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN IS LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY. YES. AM I, AM I WRONG? UH, WELL, UM, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, SO MAYBE MAKE IT MANDATORY IF, UM, THEY LACK ANY OF THESE FEATURES. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE FEATURES TO MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT YOU HAVE. SO IF IT LACKS, THEN WE, IT WON'T BE ABLE TO GET PAST THE APPLICATION. UH, UH, YEAH. UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT SOMEBODY SAID AT A, UH, ONE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN REGARDING, WHICH IS A REAL, ONE OF PEOPLE PAVING OVER ALL THE GRASS TO PUT IN THE PARKING SPACES. AND THE RESPONSE KEPT COMING BACK, UM, WAS, WELL, IT'S AN IMPERVIOUS SERVICE REQUIREMENT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU, THAT YOU DID ON THE ILLUSTRATION, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF PIOUS SURFACE, BUT IT'S NOT REACHABLE FOR A PARKING SPACE. IT'S IN THE BACK. AND SO THEY COULD PAY OVER THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE RIGHT NOW. AND, AND, UM, THEY WOULDN'T VIOLATE ANY IMPERVIOUS SERVICE. SO THE RESPONSE IS BACKED. UH, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE PURDY SERVICE. JUST ISN'T, ISN'T ACCURATE. BUT MAYBE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAS MADE, I THINK WITH WALTER SIMON, IS WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THAT YOU CAN'T EXPAND YOUR DRIVEWAY PAST, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN DATE. AND IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOUR DRIVEWAY IS WIDE ENOUGH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THEY HAVEN'T PAID PAVED OVER IT. UM, BUT THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE EXPLORE AS TO, YOU KNOW, PICK IT UP, PICK A DATE PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION. AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A LEGALLY, UH, CONFORMING DRIVEWAY AT THAT POINT, YOU COULD USE IT. UH, IT TAKES AWAY THE, THE PAVING OVER GRASS CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD IT LOUD HERE, BUT IF, WHEN IT WAS SAID, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING IDEA TO AT LEAST EXPLORE, SO WE, YEAH, IT'S TRICKY. UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I DO AGREE IF, IF RELYING SOLELY ON IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS NOT ADEQUATE BECAUSE FOR THE REASONS EXPRESSED, ONE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, IF YOU WILL. THERE ARE OTHER LIMITING FACTORS SUCH AS SETBACKS FROM PROPERTY LINES AS WELL AS MAX WIDTH ON A DRIVEWAY 30. IT'S LITTLE TRICKY IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, I, I'D BE CONCERNED THAT YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE SOMEONE TO, UH, IN YEAR ONE BUILD CONFORMING TO ZONING 30 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, THEN YEAR TWO COME IN. AND, UM, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I'M, I THINK THERE'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HEARD WAS PICK, UH, THE YEAR 2020, RIGHT. WHATEVER WE HAVE AN AERIAL FOR, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE DRIVEWAYS LOOK LIKE. PICK THAT YEAR, 20, 23, WHATEVER THE LAST FLYOVER WAS, AND HAVE THAT BE LIMITED SO THEY CAN'T DO WHAT YOU YOU MENTIONED IS NOW PUTTING A WIDE DRIVEWAY AND THEN COME IN A YEAR LATER. IT'S A TOUGH CALL. I MEAN, YEAH. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THEIR DRIVEWAYS MEETING ALL THOSE RULES. UM, IF THEY SO CHOOSE FOR VISITORS TO PICK A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME AND ALMOST GRANDFATHER THE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS. I JUST DON'T, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS RATHER TRICKY TYPE , UH, ALYSSA, I HAVE AN OPEN MIND HERE. COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY. COULD PREVENT PAVING OVER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YEAH. MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A PARKING LOT [01:05:01] GOING UP A STREET. I, I HEAR YOU. WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, LET FIND IT. OKAY. OUR ATTEMPT TO, TO, TO MEET THAT REQUEST WAS PUT INTO SEVEN. AND, AND THIS IS ON PAGE SIX, I WANNA READ IT. LET'S, UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT TOGETHER. UH, OFF STREET PARKING, MID PARAGRAPH, WHEN AN EXPANSION TO AN OFF STREET PARKING AREA IS PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH AN A DU, INCREASED DRIVEWAY WITH SHALL EXHIBIT CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PREFERENCE GIVEN TO LIMITING DRIVEWAY EXPANSIONS WITHIN A FRONT YARD. THAT WAS OUR ATTEMPT TO, UH, HONOR THE, THE REQUEST. WE JUST HEARD. I, I NEED MORE TIME TO THINK OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT IT, IT'S JUST NOT AN, IT'S NOT AN EASY, UH, JOE, HAVE YOU READ THROUGH THIS FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW OF HOW IT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE WITH PREFERENCE GIVEN TO LIMITING DRIVEWAY EXPANSION WITH NIU FRONT YARD AS, NO, I, I, I'VE READ THE LAW IN ITS ENTIRETY AND HAVE GONE OVER IT, BUT NOT THAT SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF WITH THE DRIVEWAY WITH, RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ENFORCEABLE. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I WORRY TOO, UM, JUST BASED ON EXPERIENCE WITH A MUNICIPALITY IN WHICH HOUSES ARE QUITE OLD, AND THE, THE ROADWAY WAS BEING PAVED AND A BIKE PATH WAS BEING INCLUDED, AND THE, THE RESIDENTS WERE SHOUTING LOUDLY ABOUT LOSING PARKING SPACES BECAUSE IN MANY OF THOSE RESIDENCES, THEY MIGHT HAVE AS MANY AS FOUR CARS. SO YOU MIGHT, SO IT COMES DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT. SO WE'RE SAYING ONE PARKING SPACE, BUT AN A DU TWO ADULTS MIGHT BE LIVING IN THAT A DU AND EACH HAS A CAR. AND WHILE THE OWNER WHO TO IMPLEMENT AN A DU MIGHT COMMIT, THEN IF THE PEOPLE THEN DIDN'T, WEREN'T UPFRONT ABOUT IT OR AFTER THE FACT, THERE WAS A NEED TO HAVE A SECOND CAR, THEN THAT, FOR THOSE STREETS THAT DON'T ALLOW ON STREET PARKING, IT COULD BE VIOLATED AND WHO'S GONNA, AND ENFORCING IT BECOMES AN ISSUE. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NITTY GRITTY CONCERNS, BUT, UM, THEY, IT IS A CONCERN. YEAH. THE MARKET SOME SOMEWHAT WILL ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU KNOWINGLY GOING TO RENT TO SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW IS OPENLY SAYING TO YOU, I HAVE THREE CARS OR TWO CARS, AND YOU'RE GONNA CREATE THIS, THIS, WELL, I, I, I'M GIVING THE, TAKING THE OWNER OFF THE HOOK. MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW. YEAH. AND THEN IT'S, THERE IS A TWO SPACE REQUIREMENT, A TWO SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR A TWO BEDROOM A DU. YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN, PRESUMABLY THE OWNER IS GONNA CARE ABOUT THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IF THEY ARE RENTING OUT THEIR A DU AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. SO THIS WOULD IMPACT ON THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IF THERE ARE TOO MANY CARS EITHER ON THE STREET OR, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE OTHER CHANGES. UH, JUST TWO MORE. UH, SECTION 2 85 39, WHICH IS ON PAGE, UH, NINE, I'M SORRY, EIGHT. THERE, THERE WAS A NUMBERING ISSUE. UH, IT'S PROPOSED TO STRIKE THROUGH SUPPLEMENTARY ZONING MAP, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ADUS, BUT IT IS JUST SIMPLY A MAP THAT, UH, NO ONE THAT I KNOW HAS EVER BEEN AFFILIATED WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG KNOWS WHAT THAT IS. UH, THEREFORE WE DECIDED TO DO SOME CLEANUP AND STRIKE THAT. AND THE, THE NUMBERING IS UPDATED. SO THE NEW ONE WOULD BE, UH, AS YOU SEE THERE IN RED. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE, COUNCILMAN SHEEN CAUGHT. WE HAD A TYPO IN ON PAGE NINE. SECTION NINE A IS THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. B UH, WE'VE ADDED THE EXEMPTION FOR ADUS, WHICH DEFINITELY GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS THAT INCLUDES A SITE PLAN, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILL OUT AND PAY FOR A SITE PLAN APPLICATION. SO THAT'S EXEMPTED. AND THE, THE CORRECTION THAT COUNCILMAN SHEEN NOTED WAS WHEN WE RENU REORDERED OR NUMBERED TO C, IT SAID A SINGLE, UH, ONE FAMILY DWELLING AND IT SHOULD BE A SINGLE TWO FAMILY DWELLING. UM, UH, ACTUALLY THAT WAS ALWAYS CORRECT. IT WAS JUST C SO, RIGHT. UH, THAT'S JUST PREEXISTING LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE NOT STRIKING THROUGH. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THERE, THERE WILL BE TIME TO PERHAPS MAKE [01:10:01] THESE CRITERIA A LITTLE MORE FOCUSED. AND TO THE EXTENT WE CAN PUT IN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING NUMERICAL, WE'LL HAVE AN EYE TOWARDS THAT. WE'LL WORK WITH JOE AND PERHAPS ED, WHO, YOU KNOW, DOES A LOT WITH SPECIAL PERMITS MM-HMM . UM, TO GET THIS LAW AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE. BUT WE DO HAVE THE UPCOMING PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 26TH. WE'RE GONNA HEAR MORE COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS AND FOR SURE WE DO THE TOWN WIDE MAILING. IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE INTEREST IN THAT MEETING. SO, ONTO THE LETTER. UM, ACTUALLY, I, I WANT TO, OH, YES, I'M GONNA REALLY THROW A WRENCH INTO THIS AND YOU'RE ALL GONNA GET MAD PROBABLY, BUT I WAS VERY MOVED BY CAROL ALLEN'S, UH, WORDS WHEN SHE CAME BEFORE US. AND I, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE MINIMUM IS 10,000 INSTEAD OF A COMPROMISE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10, WHICH WOULD BE 7,500. BECAUSE IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMICS OF WHO LIVES IN THOSE LOTS, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE LOTS THAT ARE 7,500 OR CERTAINLY 5,000 ARE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY GONNA BENEFIT FROM THIS A DU LAW. AND IS IT REALLY, WOULD IT REALLY MAKE A BIG IMPACT IF WE WERE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE IN TERMS OF, UH, ALLOWING A LOWER LIMIT FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT YOUR, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE INTERNAL A DU AND THE GARAGE, NOT THE RIGHT. RIGHT. I, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST SPEAK JUST FOR A SECOND IN TERMS OF THE OUTREACH, BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY ADUS, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON, IF THEY GET SOMETHING IN THE MAIL AND SAYS ADUS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY IDEA. IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EVEN READ IT. I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF, UM, WE COULD REACH OUT, UM, TO, UH, ALL THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. WAIT, LEMME JUST SAY, LEMME JUST SAY, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. CAN WE JUST FINISH WHAT I BROUGHT? HOLD ON, HOLD ON. LET'S FINISH THE POINT ON PAUL, HOLD ON. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, WE, WE ARE JUMPING TO THINGS AND GARRETT HILL'S ALREADY MET, BUT STARTED MEETING WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. HE'S DOING A TOUR ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. 'CAUSE HE STARTED HIS TOUR YESTERDAY. CAN WE, SO JOY, DO YOU WANNA, SO COUNCILMAN BERT COMM COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER JOY'S QUESTION? 'CAUSE I REMEMBER IT JUST, THIS CAME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT WE ANSWERED, THERE WAS A REASON WHY WE, WE WERE, WE STAYED TO THE 10, TO THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET AS OPPOSED TO, AND, AND UNDERSTANDING. AND THEN WE HAD THAT SAME CONVERSATION. I HAD, I BROUGHT UP THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT YOU WANNA, WELL, I GUESS IT GOES BACK A BIT TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ON STREET PARKING AND OR FOR THAT MATTER, OFF STREET PARKING CHALLENGES MM-HMM . AND THE AREAS IN THE TOWN WHERE THERE TENDS TO BE, UH, MORE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE VISITORS PARKING TEND TO, OF COURSE BE THE R FIVE AND THE R SEVEN FIVE MM-HMM . WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE SMALLER, LOTS LESS WIDTH AND YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE MORE DENSITY. SO, UM, I THINK REALLY THAT'S THE ORIGIN FOR THE R FIVE AND THE R SEVEN FIVE RESTRICTION. UH, I DID MAKE THE EXAMPLE THAT WHEN THERE WAS A REZONING IN THE URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT, WHICH ALLOWED TWO FAMILIES AND ONE FAMILIES TRADITIONALLY FOR DECADES, AND THERE WERE MANY TWO FAMILIES BUILT AND IT'S, IT'S A NICE MIX OF ONE AND TWO FAMILIES. MM-HMM . PROBABLY SKEWED MORE TOWARDS ONE FAMILIES. BUT WHEN WE CHANGED THAT LAW TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE IT A ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT GRANDFATHERED AND LEGALIZED ALL TWO FAMILIES MM-HMM . THE GENERAL RECEPTION FROM RESIDENTS, AND BY THE WAY, THAT WAS 5,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM WAS POSITIVE. MM-HMM . I ACTUALLY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO, WE WERE GONNA HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, BUT, UH, GEN GENERALLY, THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO THAT. UM, SO NO, I TEND TO THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CROWDED TYPE. SORRY. NO OPPOSITION TO WHAT? THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO THAT EXAMPLE IN THE R IN THE UR WHEN WE REZONED TO ESSENTIALLY AN R FIVE. OKAY. UM, TAKING AWAY THE PROSPECT OF A TWO FAMILY. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. GENERALLY MM-HMM . RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE SAYING, OKAY, GREAT. MORE TWO FAMILIES WOULD, UM, CROWD THINGS TOO MUCH. RIGHT. GIVE MORE CHALLENGES. NOW THAT'S MORE EXTREME. 'CAUSE YOU HAD PROBABLY 30% TWO FAMILIES AND A DU IS CERTAINLY NOT GONNA ADD, YOU KNOW, IT WILL ADD LESS THAN 1%. RIGHT. OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE, FIVE YEARS MM-HMM . TO THE TOWN STOCK. SO IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES ARGUMENT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW THEY, UM, I THINK THEY HAD CONCERNS IN THAT RESPECT. OKAY. I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE INCLUSIVE, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. AND WE, THESE ARE GOING ON A CASE BY CASE. THEY ALL NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT. SO THOSE ISSUES WILL COME UP IN THAT PROCESS. IF THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE IN THE 7,500 SQUARE FOOT IN THAT, THAT, UH, ZONE COMES FORWARD AND THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE PARKING, THEN THEY DON'T GET THE, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY DON'T GET THE A DU OR WHATEVER. IT'S, BUT I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE DO THAT, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND, AND TRUST ME, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT BEING INCLUSIVE. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING WINDOW DRESSING. 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE OFFERING SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY NO ONE, THEY WOULDN'T, PEOPLE [01:15:01] LIVING IN R FIVE OR R SEVEN 500 CANNOT DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO QUALIFY. SO I FEEL LIKE WE ARE DOING WINDOW DRESSING. WE PUT SOMETHING UP THAT NOT EVERYONE CAN SIT AND BE AND PARTICIPATE IN. I JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO NO, BUT I JUST, I NO, I, I JUST GET SO CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE INC BEING INCLUSIVE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO WINDOW DRESSING AS WELL. SO IF WE, IF THERE IS A WAY, AND I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO EXHAUST THIS IN CONVERSATIONS, IF THERE IS A WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO, IN THAT, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREAS FOR THOSE R WELL REALLY R 7.5. 'CAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE MORE BECAUSE THE SEVEN POINT, THE R FIVES ARE JUST VERY SMALL AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE, AND I HAD YOU, I ACTUALLY HAD GARY POINT OUT TO THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT IS R FIVE AND WHAT IS R SEVEN. AND YOU JUST LOOK AT THE, THE HOW CONGESTION, THANK YOU. THAT'S A PERFECT WORD. THE CONGESTION OF THOSE, THOSE COMMUNITIES AND THOSE ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING THIS IS AVAILABLE, BUT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE PARKING. AND I JUST GET REALLY, AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP SOUNDING LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I GET REALLY CONCERNED WHEN WE HAVE GREAT IDEAS LIKE THIS, BUT IT, IT STARTS TO TURN INTO WENDELL DRESSING BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A PART, CAN PARTICIPATE IN IT. AND I KNOW EVERYTHING NOT, AND I UNDERSTAND EVERY POINT INTO THE R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT, THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T DO IS RELAX ANY OF THE STANDARDS. MM-HMM . KEEP ALL THE STANDARDS. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD. BUT YOU, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THAT EVERYONE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. THAT THE SUPERVISOR'S SUGGESTION, R 7.5, THAT'S NOT IN THE LEGISLATION. IF SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BOX IN AN R FIVE OR IN A 7.5, THEY CAN, THEY CAN GO FORWARD WITH AN A DU. SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE BANNING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN R FIVE OR R SEVEN FIVE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN SIZE LOT, WHICH WE THINK CAN THEN HANDLE IT. AND IF YOU DO, THEN YOU CAN COME IN AND APPLY. BUT IF WE DO THE RIGHT, DO WE PUT THAT IN SORT OF EXCEPTION? IT IS IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD. WAIT, I'M SORRY. THERE LIKE 45,000 PEOPLE IN THE TOWN. WE'RE COMING UP WITH A LAW WITH A SUNSET PROVISION THAT APPLIES TO 10 PEOPLE OUT OF 45,000. SO FOUR 44,990 PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, BY, UH, THE, THE, THE PILOT. ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE, WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF 'CAUSE THE NEIGHBOR IMPACTED. I'M JUST SAYING ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE, AND THIS IS, EXCUSE ME, SUPERVISOR, WE'RE STILL FINISHING UP THIS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, THEN WE CAN GO TO NO, THEN WE CAN GO TO YOURS. OKAY. NO, NO, NO. PLEASE, PLEASE, YES, YES, YES. NO, NO, BUT LEMME JUST SAY, LET JUST SAY, BECAUSE I FEEL KINDERGARTEN RIGHT NOW. NO. LET ME JUST SAY WHY IT, WHY, WHY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT ALL THE DETAILS. I REMEMBER WHEN COUNCILMAN SHEIN DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE HAD MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND WE BASICALLY HAD DISCUSSIONS AND THEY BECAME ALMOST FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, GROUPS. AND WHAT I'M SORT OF THINKING IS IF WE REACHED OUT TO DIFFERENT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, BUT THAT'S WHAT GARRETT DOING ALREADY. GARRETT'S ALREADY DOING THAT WITH THE TOWN BOARD. AND WE HAVE, AND GARRETT'S ALREADY DOING THAT MEETINGS? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MEETING. WE, WE DO LIKE A ROAD SHOW WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND WE SAY THIS WEEK WE'RE GONNA BE IN HARTSDALE, UM, A WEEK LATER WE'LL BE IN EAST IRVINGTON AND EDGEMONT. AND THEN WE TALK TO THE 10 OR 15 PEOPLE WHO REALLY ARE CONCERNED. THOU WILL GIVE US, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH THE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WILL SHOW UP AND TH WILL GIVE US AN IDEA, UM, WHAT SO HOW IS, HOLD ON SECOND. SO CAN I JUST JUMP IN? SO TWO SUPERVISORS, POINT, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE HAS ALREADY STARTED THE TOUR, THE A DU TOUR, GOING TO DIFFERENT MEN, GOING TO DIFFERENT CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS AND AND EXPLAINING WHAT ADUS ARE. LAST NIGHT WE DID PARKWAY GARDENS. SO I MEAN HE'S, HE HAS THAT ON HIS RADAR. WE HAD A LONG CON WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING THAT. SO HE'S ALREADY DOING IT'S WHY I'M TRYING, I'M NOT, UH, WE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD PARTICIPATE, BUT, BUT WE CAN'T BE ALL IN ONE ROOM. NO, BUT WE SHOULD, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. BUT, BUT PAUL, BUT PAUL, I'M JUST SAYING WITH THE TIMING, IF GARRETT KNOWS THIS INTIMATELY AND ONE OF US CAN JOIN LIKE I DID LAST NIGHT AND GO TO THE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS AND TALK ABOUT ADUS AND THEN ANYONE WHO'S IN THOSE MEETINGS CAN ASK THE TOWN BOARD MEMBER LIKE THEY DID LAST NIGHT, THEY'RE FEELING OR WHERE, OR THEIR PERSPECTIVE OF IT. SO HE'S ALREADY DOING THAT. NO, BUT I DISAGREE BECAUSE THERE SHOULDN'T BE ONE MEMBER RIGHT NOW THIS LEGISLATION THAT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO VOTE ON. AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT. NO, NO, BUT NO, THIS IS NO PAUL, WE ARE JUST EDUCATING. NO, BUT NO, BUT THERE'S [01:20:01] NO DECISIONS. WE'RE JUST EDUCATING. I KNOW. THE THING IS WHEN, LIKE, FOR ME, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, FOR ME, WHEN I, WHEN I HEAR FROM EIGHT PEOPLE, I MAY PICK UP SOMETHING LIKE, SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT NOBODY ELSE IS PICKING UP WHAT AM AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE HAD GIVE AND TAKE DISCUSSIONS. AND HOW ABOUT THIS, HOW ABOUT THIS? SO GARRETT IS DOING HIS ROAD SHOW AND PERHAPS ONE OR THE OTHER OF US ATTENDS AND GARRETT WILL, GARRETT CAN GIVE A REVIEW OF THE NOTES AND THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR US TO ADDRESS. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BE THERE OR THEY CAN BE RECORDED. WE CAN WATCH IT AND HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID. AND WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS RATHER THAN HAVE A COMMAND PERFORMANCE OF THE ENTIRE BOARD. WHICH WE HAVE TO NOTICE, UH, EVERY TIME I THINK THERE SHOULD BE NOTICED. WE'VE DOESN'T. WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE, I WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF OUR MEETING, SO BE PART OF IT. I DON'T WANNA YOU CAN'T BE A PART OF IT. IF GARY IS GONNA PUT OUT A LIST WHO, WHATEVER, WHATEVER TOWN BOARD MEMBERS ARE AVAILABLE, THESE ARE THE NIGHTS THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE BEING HELD. PLEASE BE NO ONE'S KIDDING YOU OUT. JUST TO BE CLEAR. JUST, YOU KNOW, I I I DO WHAT I CAN WITH MY TIME. UH, SO I HAVE, FIRST OFF, THE COUNCIL OF GREENBURG CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS IS A GREAT RESOURCE. THEY, UH, REACHED OUT TO ME, UH, AND, AND, AND I, I, I WENT BEFORE THEIR CIVIC ASSOCIATION GROUP, UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE LIKE NINE MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING, AND PRESENTED TO MULTIPLE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. SO THAT WAS EXCELLENT. AND THEN, UH, DID KIND OF LIKE A Q AND A FOLLOW UP WITH THEM DIRECT. AND THEN SEPARATE FROM THAT, I HAVE A LIST AND IT'S DATED IN SOME RESPECTS. 'CAUSE EVERY SO OFTEN I GET A AUTO REPLY. BUT I HAVE A LIST OF ABOUT 30 OF MY BEST KNOWLEDGE CONTACTS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. I MAKE THEM AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWN WIDE PUBLIC HEARINGS LIKE THIS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A DIRECT LINK TO JUST REACH BACK TO ME BY EMAIL. PARKWAY GARDENS PROACTIVELY REACHED OUT TO ME, UM, AND, AND UNSOLICITED AND INVITED ME TO COME BEFORE THEIR CIVIC ASSOCIATION. AND THAT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE. COUNCILMAN GINA JOIN ME. SO THAT WAS EXCELLENT. UM, SO YEAH, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, LIKE IF ANY CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS ARE LISTENING, THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO CALL OUR OFFICE AND WE CAN DO OUR BEST AND WE CAN APPEAR BEFORE YOUR I'M SORRY. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT IN THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS, WHAT THEY CAN DO IF WE MAKE THEM AWARE IS COMPILE QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE AND SUBMIT THEM TO US. RIGHT. SO I'M SORRY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT I BROUGHT UP AND FINISH THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTREACH, PLEASE. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO FINISH THIS CONVERSATION. SO IT DOES SAY REGARDLESS OF THE ZONE, IT SAYS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. YES. SO THERE'S NO BAN ON ANY CERTAIN ZONES. UH, SO YES, YOU TO COUNCIL MACHINE'S EXAMPLE, YOU CAN HAVE 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN AN R FIVE ZONE OR AN R SEVEN FIVE ZONE. RIGHT. JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE ARE FEW, I'D SAY LESS THAN 5% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHETHER THAT NUMBER CAN BE REDUCED TO 7,500 RATHER THAN 10,000. THAT IS A WHAT I TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S QUESTION FOR THE BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S QUESTION FOR BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO, TO DISCUSS. AND WHAT THE RESPONSE I GATHERED IS, NO, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE AS A CON DISCUSSION. THE RESPONSE THAT THAT I GATHERED GAVE, GAVE ME FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS GOOD AS AN IDEA AS IT IS FIRST OF ALL, UM, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, JACKSON'S RESPONSE ABOUT WINDOW DRESSING. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, A VALID CONCERN. AND I THINK THAT THE CONGESTION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY HAVE THAT IS ALREADY THERE AND WHAT LIMITATIONS ON PARKING AND WHAT ABUSE OF THOSE PARKING LIMITATIONS ARE ALREADY EXISTS. THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN CREATE FURTHER OR EXACERBATE IT FURTHER. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WITH IT, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS A SUPERVISOR SUGGESTED A SUNSET CLAUSE, IT GIVES US A SENSE OF WHAT IT IS, HOW IT'LL IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN, IN THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. AND WE CAN, I FEEL, REASSESS YOUR CONCERNS AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING MORE CAREFULLY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD START OFF WITH 10,000 AND THEN PERHAPS READDRESS IT TO LOWERING THE I JUST, I REALLY WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING GOES ON THE TABLE. RIGHT? EVERYTHING GOES ON THE TABLE IN A YEAR AND IT MAY BE THAT WE LEARNED FROM IT AND YOU KNOW, 7,500 IS NOT SO BAD, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE. ALRIGHT, SUNSET. ALRIGHT, GREAT. UM, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALL SET? THE ONLY THING IS, UM, I JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM WHETHER THE TOWN BOARD IS, IS HAPPY WITH THIS LETTER AS IS. [01:25:01] I THOUGHT THE LETTER WAS EXCELLENT AS WELL AS THE GRAPHICS AND THE GRAPHICS. I KNOW COUNCIL MACHINE WANTS SOME GRAPHICS. GREAT IDEA. I DID MY BEST, UH, TO NOT KEEP IT TOO BUSY AND KEEP IT TO ONE PAGE SO THAT STUFFING THE ENVELOPES IS DONE WITH EASE. UM, I, I THINK THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE'VE MENTIONED THAT ADU ARE IN THE VILLAGES, THAT WE HAVE SOME ADU IN THE VILLAGES THAT THESE PICTURES ARE NOT IN THE VILLAGE. SO I DON'T WANT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA DRIVE BY. SO AREN'T THESE, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT, THESE ARE DEFINITELY INTERNET SPECIALS, RIGHT? THAT'S . I JUST, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU JUST NOTE THAT GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE ON THAT. SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GIVE, OH, LET ME GO BY THEIR NEIGHBOR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY IN THESE, WELL FIRST OFF, THE ABOVE GRAPHIC ARE ACTUALLY LOTS IN GREENBURG AND I STRUCK OUT THE ROAD NAMES. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL YOU CAN, IT'S JUST A GREAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE THESE ARE LIKE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. OKAY. UM, SO, BUT THAT'S GOOD TO NOTE THAT IT IS. GREAT. THESE TWO, I WOULD WANNA GO DRIVE BY AND SEE THESE, THE BEAUTIFUL HOMES. I WOULD LIKE TO GO BY AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE. SO YOU CAN DO THAT IN, IN, IN FINE PRINT UNDERNEATH EACH. WHERE'S FASHION GREEN AGAIN, FROM THE INTERNET. ALL RIGHT. ALL COMMISSIONER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? UH, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT. I WANT TALK ABOUT THE DOOR. I'M SORRY, I WANTED THE DOOR TALK ABOUT THE DRAWINGS. OKAY. RIGHT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BOTTOM TWO PICTURES IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW. IS THAT, THAT, THAT IF THE EXAMPLES OF SEPARATE STRUCTURE AUS THAT LOOKED LIKE WELL MORE THAN 12 FEET HIGH COMPARED TO THE HOUSE THAT I THINK ON THE SIDE, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT'S BEING SHOWN THERE. YEAH. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SPECIFICALLY IS 800 SQUARE FEET. THE ONE ON THE LEFT I'M GUESSING IS LESS. IT APPEARS SMALLER. I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE IS THIS OFF THE INTERNET? THAT'S WHY OUT? YES. MM-HMM . I WOULD SAY THAT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT AS EXAMPLE, IF AVERAGE CEILING HEIGHT IS 10, WELL THAT MIGHT EVEN BE HIGH AND IT GOES TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF. IT, IT MIGHT BE KIND OF CLOSE. UM, YEAH, IT, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT ONE, THAT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WAS A CONVERTED GARAGE. WELL, THE ONE ON THE LEFT WAS BUILT OUT OF THE GROUND, BUT THAT COULD BE MY MISPERCEPTION. IS THERE A WAY, YOU KNOW, I, I HAD REACHED OUT TO THE VILLAGES AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE. WELL, CAN WE FINISH THIS CONVERSATION? NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWING UP WITH A DIFFERENT POINT. . YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UH, WE COULD HAVE HAD, IF WE COULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE VILLAGES AND SEEN IF THEY COULD REACH OUT TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADU AND MAYBE WE COULD GET A RESIDENT OF SAY, DOS FERRY OR HASTINGS THAT HAS AN A DU TO SHOW AN ACTUAL LOCAL, UM, A DU BECAUSE THIS LOOKS ALMOST LIKE IT'S IN SEDONA. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S, IT, IT MAY NOT LIKE WHAT, LIKE SEDONA, ARIZONA FROM ARIZONA. YOU, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S A TYPE OF A DU THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. WELL, WE CAN MAKE THOSE INQUIRIES AND INVITE THEM TO NO, BUT JUST SAYING IF WE COULD GET, IF WE COULD GET A IMAGE OF A LOCAL, UH, A DU AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE IF WE ASK THE VILLAGES TO REACH OUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS, WE'LL, WE'LL GET ONE OUT OF THE, OH, GARRETT, IF YOU CAN JUST, AND TO PAUL'S POINT, IF YOU CAN JUST GET PICTURES THAT WOULD REALLY LOCAL TO REALLY DISPLAY EXACTLY WHAT AN A DU WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG BASED ON THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED BASED ON A VILLAGE. WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT, SO IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD DO THAT AND THEN PERHAPS GET BACK TO US PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. I DID THINK ABOUT CROPPING OUT THE CACTUS IN THAT PHOTO. I APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU . THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE THIS, SO WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? ALL THE POWER RENEWAL? I DON'T KNOW. POWER RENEWAL PLAN. THAT'S THE SECOND ITEM. BUT THIS FIRST ONE. OH, SO DOES THE WESTCHESTER POWER POWERS RENEWAL, POWER RENEWAL, THE WESTCHESTER POWER. UH, WHEN ARE WE GOING HAVE, CAN WE PUSH THAT TO NEXT WEEK? 'CAUSE WE JUST, WE YEAH, WE'LL PUT IT NEXT WEEK. CAN WE PUSH THAT? SO, UM, THE WESTCHESTER POWER RENEWAL PLAN WILL BE ON, ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA. YEAH. THEN WE HAVE THE DATA NEEDED FOR LOCAL LAW AMENDING CHAPTER FOUR 40 TAXATION CODE FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG IS ED HERE? I JUST ASKED THE ASSESSOR TO COME DOWN. SHE HAS BEEN WATCHING. SHE KNOWS THE TOPICS ON. OKAY. UM, WANNA START KNOW WHEN I CAN FINISH TALKING ABOUT THE MAP? OH, SURE. WHICH MAP? THE, THE, UH, DRAWINGS FOR THE A D UM, YEAH, ALL INTERRUPTED ME. AND YOU SAID WE'RE DONE. WE GET BACK TO HER. OH. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I APOLOGIZE. COUNCILMAN SHEEN. WE HAVE MOVED ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC BECAUSE, UM, DUE TO TIMING, UM, BUT I WILL MAKE, THIS IS NOT GOING OUT THEN. THIS IS NOT GOING OUT. NO. THERE STILL BE TIME TO GIVE, GAR IS GOING TO DO WHAT WE JUST ASKED AND TALKED ABOUT THE PITCHES AND, AND ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT [01:30:01] WE HAVE. SO HE WILL, HE WILL REACH OUT TO US ONCE THAT IS DONE. AND BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE EXAMPLE TWO IS REALLY AN EXAMPLE. ONE BECAUSE I THINK AN ATTACHED GARAGE, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE A DU IN AN ATTACHED GARAGE THAT'S PART OF THE HOUSE, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS HAVING A DETACHED, UM, UH, GARAGE. UNLESS IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT'S A SEPARATE STRUCTURE, WHICH SOME PEOPLE HAVE. BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR POINTS WELL TAKEN STRUCTURES. RIGHT, RIGHT. OUR GARAGE. AND IT'D BE NICE IF WE FINISHED TOPICS BEFORE WE GO ON TO ANOTHER ONE. AGREED. WE DON'T GET BACK TO THE TOPIC THAT WE JUST PASSED OVER. YEP. AGREED. A, A AGREE. THANK YOU. COME ON. WHAT'S NEXT? SO WE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HEARD, WE ARE MOVING THE, THE WESTCHESTER POWER RENEWAL PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE MOVED TO NEXT WEEK. WE HAVE EDIE AT THE TABLE WHO'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR NEXT TOPIC. THE LOCAL LAW AMEND IN CHAPTER FOUR 40. EDIE, THANK YOU. UM, AT THE LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING, COUNCILMAN SHEEN WAS LOOKING FOR SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THE VOLUNTEER FIREMEN WHO ARE RECEIVING, OR WHO WILL BE RECEIVING THE EXEMPTION, UM, ACTUALLY ARE VOLUNTEERING THROUGH, THROUGH ALL THE SERVICES. FIREFIGHTERS. FIREFIGHTERS, VOLUNTEER. FIREFIGHTERS. FIREFIGHTERS, SORRY. OKAY. UM, RIGHT. SO WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON SOME LANGUAGE AND JOE AND I HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH FOR, I DON'T KNOW, FOR A WHILE DOING THIS. JOE, YOU JUST SENT SOMETHING. I I DID SEND SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. COUNCILMAN SHEEN IS ON ZOOM. SO HE HAD RESPONDED TO THE FIRST LANGUAGE THAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, BUT I, I'LL READ THE MOST RECENT ATTEMPT. IT WOULD BE CHIEFS OF VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THE ASSESSOR WITH AT LEAST, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANNUAL DATA SENT TO THE STATE OF NEW YORK. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND THE NUMBER OF CALLS EACH VOLUNTEER RESPONDED TO FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR BEFORE THE TAXABLE STATUS DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT YEAR. UH, DO WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S SENT TO THE STATE SO WE KNOW WHAT'S ON IT? I DO NOT. I DO NOT. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. I KNOW THAT THEY, UM, THEY MAINTAIN THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT THEY GO ON FOR ANNUALLY AND THEY MAINTAIN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS AND THE AMBULANCE WORKERS, THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED VOLUNTEERS AND THEY GET POINTS FOR EACH OF THOSE THINGS. SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED BY THE CHIEFS OR THE SECRETARIES OF THE CHIEFS OR WHOMEVER. SO THAT'S THE REPORT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT DON'T WE CURRENTLY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. OKAY. BUT DON'T WE CURRENTLY RE DON'T YOU CURRENTLY RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM THE FIRE CHIEFS? ABSOLUTELY. EVERY YEAR THE FIRE CHIEFS ARE RE SO THAT'S NOT CHANGING, RIGHT? THAT IS NOT CHANGING. THAT IS JUST A CERTIFIED NOTARIZED LETTER. OKAY. THAT INDICATES THAT, UM, ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT ARE ACTIVE MEMBERS. SO COUNCILMAN SHANE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY GET? RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT. THEY'VE ATTENDED 10% OF THE CALLS, WHICH WE'VE NOT DONE BEFORE SINCE THE EXEMPTION HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED. AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THE ATHLETE DATA THAT'S USED TO COMPUTE THAT 10% AS OPPOSED TO A SUMMARY. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, THAT IT'S ALL BEING COMPUTED THE SAME WAY AS OPPOSED TO JUST GETTING BASICALLY A, A BOTTOM LINE FROM INDIVIDUAL, UM, INDIVIDUAL, UM, UM, RIGHT DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT. AND THE FIRE, I I I, I GOTTA SHOW UP MY MIND FOR A MOMENT. AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE I, OKAY. THE FIRE CHIEFS ACTUALLY CERTIFY THEIR LETTERS EVERY YEAR TO ME. SO DO YOU, SO I THINK YOU ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA ASK IT AGAIN. WHAT'S SENT UP TO THE STATE? DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ENTERED TO A DATABASE OR IT'S A FORM? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET A COPY OF A SNAPSHOT SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING SENT UP, SENT UP TO THE STATE? IS IT GOING TO THE SFS SYSTEM AT ALL? I DO NOT. UM, I DO UNDERSTAND FROM SEVERAL OF THE FIRE CHIEFS THAT THEY DO HAVE TO REPORT. SO THEY DO HAVE THOSE LOGS. I'VE NOT EVER SEEN THOSE LOGS. OH, YOU DON'T. IT'S NEVER, IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T AUTOMATED IN ARGUMENT. NO. AND I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UM, THAT ARE IN THIS SITUATION. THEY'VE ALL SINCE PASSED THIS NEW LAW, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT REQUIRES ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN AFFIDAVIT LETTER FROM THE CHIEF. SO, OKAY, NOW WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT DATA IS AVAILABLE, WHICH IS WHERE WE WERE LAST WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE. WHAT, OKAY. SO I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT WHAT DATA IS AVAILABLE, BUT IF THE CALCULATION IS SIMPLY 10% OF THE CALLS AND WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO KNOW? YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CALLS ARE, YOU NEED TO SEE HE'S [01:35:01] SEE WHAT THE DATE WAS, WHAT THAT DATA IS. YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE DATA FOR ALL OF THE , THE, WHEN THERE'S A CALL MM-HMM . THAT'S GOTTA BE LOGGED IN PLACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE AT THE CALL, THAT'S GOTTA BE LOGGED. IF ANYBODY GETS HURT AND THEY SAY THEY'RE GOT HURT IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S LOGGED SOMEPLACE THAT THEY WERE AT THE CALL, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A HEAVY LIFT. WELL, IT, BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF CALL NOT NECESSARILY A HEAVY LIFT FOR, FOR, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A HEAVY LIFT FOR A PARTICULAR VOLUNTEER, BUT THERE ARE SEVEN DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND THERE'S OVER 200, UM, UH, VOLUNTEERS, 170 VOLUNTEERS AT THE MOMENT. SO THE SUMMARY, IF WE GET THE BACKUP TO THE SUMMARY, WILL THAT BE OKAY WITH THE TOWN? BECAUSE GOING THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL PAGES, WELL, I DON'T THINK I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE. DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE YOU FOR YOU TO WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I'M SORRY. IT SHOULDN'T BE FOR YOU TO DO. IT SHOULD BE SUPPLIED TO YOU. WELL, IF WE DO GET THAT, WE DO GET THE, WE DO GET THE SUMMARY NOW THAT SAYS THE, THE SUMMARY, BUT THE BREAK, WHAT THE BACK, WHAT WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN SHEEN IS SAYING IS THEY HAVE THE DATA MM-HMM . RIGHT? SO IF THEY CAN DO THE SUMMARY AND THEN PERHAPS ATTACH IT JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE IT. SO WE HAVE IT JUST TO ENSURE, YEAH. I THINK MY PROPOSED LANGUAGE WOULD DO THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT PROPOSED LANGUAGE? NOPE. WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE? I HAVE TO FIND IT AGAIN. YOURS. YOUR LANGUAGE SAYS THAT WHAT GOES TO THE STATE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES TO THE STATE. WELL, WHATEVER GOES TO THE STATE, RIGHT? I KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THEY, THEY HAVE TO IN ORDER TO GET THE, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. HE DOESN'T SEEN IT. SO YOU WANT WOULD WANT THEM TO PERHAPS CREATE, RECREATE A WHOLE NEW KIND OF LOG SYSTEM. BUT IF HE'S, IF SO, IF THE LAW, IF THE LOG SYSTEM ALREADY EXISTS, IF THE LOG SYSTEM ALREADY EXISTS AND THEY, AND FROM THAT LOG SYSTEM THEY'RE PROVIDING A SUMMARY MM-HMM . THEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS, THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT'S, HOW, HOW IS THIS BEING MAINTAINED? IF IT'S AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND YOU HAVE ALL A LIST, YOU FILTER IT. MM-HMM . RIGHT? AND IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES. RIGHT. SO DID YOU SEND ME THE LOG? SO IT'S AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SO, SO I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO, I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION IS IS JUST YOU HAVE THE SUMMARY. SEND THE BACKUP. THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT CREATING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANOTHER CREATION IS. YOU'RE JUST SENDING THE BACKUP THAT SHE CREATE THE LAW FROM WHICH THAT YOU CREATE THE SUMMARY FROM. THAT'S FINE ANYWAY. RIGHT. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE IT. OKAY. BUT JUST ANOTHER, IT'S ANOTHER SHEET FOR YOUR FILE IN EACH OR SEVEN SHEETS FOR YOUR FILE SO THAT IT'S THERE. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE REFERENCE. IT'S, IT'S HANDY, RIGHT? UH, THE EXEMPTION IS A GOOD THING. UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN ASSESSED VALUE, PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUSIN OR WIFE OR TWO PEOPLE IN A HOUSE, THEY EACH GET THE EXEMPTION. SO I THINK THE EXAMPLE SOMEBODY GAVE, IF YOU HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEER, UM, YOU GET 20% TAKEN OFF OF YOUR, UH, ASSESSMENT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS GONNA BE 20% OFF EPO TAXES. UM, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THAT TO THE, TO THE VOTERS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, IS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER AND RESPOND TO CALLS. NOT JUST VOLUNTEER, BUT TO RESPOND TO CALLS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A WAY, AS BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET WHAT WE PAY FOR AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A WORTHY THING, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY HAS THE RESULT THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S INTENDED TO GET, WHICH IS PEOPLE RESPONDING TO CALLS. SO WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU WANNA READ WHAT YOU WROTE? YOU DID. I I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN SHEHAN HAD SEEN IT ALREADY BECAUSE I ASKED FOR OH, HE, BUT HE WAS ASKING, SO I THOUGHT, OKAY. YEAH. DID I GIVE IT AWAY THAT I HAD READ IT? YES. BUT I MENTIONED ABOUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE STATE. UM, UH, I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR, UH, SOMEWHERE, I BELIEVE I SAID LAST TIME AT THE HEARING AND YOU CORRECTED ME THAT IT'S THE VOLUNTEER THAT HAS TO PROVIDE THE CERTIFICATION. UM, NO, IT IS THE CHIEFS THAT PROVIDE THE ANNUAL CERTIFICATION LIST OF ALL THE ACTIVE MEMBERS. IT'S THE CHIEFS THAT SUPPLY THAT. [01:40:01] I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CREATE IT, BUT THEY DO SIGN IT. SO IT'S THEIR, IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION TO COMMIT TO US THAT ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS ON THAT LIST, BOTH THE FIRE AND THE AMBULANCE ARE ACTIVE MEMBERS. IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION TO COMMIT THAT TO US AND COMPLY WITH THAT PERCENTAGE OF, UH, OF SERVICE, WHATEVER THAT IS. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, IS THAT THE VOLUNTEER THEMSELVES DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHOW UP TO THE, TO THE CALLS. THAT IS NOT TRUE. THEY HAVE TO FILE IN A RENEWAL APPLICATION AND THEY COMMIT THAT THEY'RE STILL ACTIVE MEMBERS AS WELL. I RECEIVED THE RENEWAL APPLICATION FROM THE VOLUNTEERS AND THAT I RECEIVED THE SUMMARY COMMITMENT CONFIRMING THAT THESE VOLUNTEERS ARE ACTIVE. THE LIST, THE APPLICATIONS, RENEWAL APPLICATIONS AND THE CHIEF'S LIST. UM, MATCH. I, I I JUST MENTIONED, JOE, DON'T WE HAVE SOMEBODY CUT THAT WE'RE PAYING LIKE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AN HOUR AND LIKE FOUR. YEAH, BUT WHEN I SAID THAT EARLIER, NOBODY NO, I'M JUST, I'M THE ONE WHO GUESS OKAY. TIGHTENS UP THE MEETING, BUT THAT'S WHY WE TIGHTENED THIS MEETING UP. JUST KIDDING. BUT THERE WERE SOMEONE ELSE WHO, WHAT I'M IS THAT SAME, THIS ALL NIGHT VOLUNTEER. SORRY. VOLUNTEER HAS TO CERTIFY THAT THEY, I'M LEARNING. THEY'RE STILL ACTIVE. AND THEN THE FIRE CHIEF IS GOING TO SAY THAT THEY RESPONDED TO 10%. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN THEY CERTIFY IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE JUST NEED, WE NEED, JUST NEED SOME LANGUAGE. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. DO YOU NOT LIKE THEY'LL GET THERE? DO YOU NOT LIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE? OKAY. WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WHAT DO I DO IT? WE'LL GET THERE, UHHUH. WE HAVE UNTIL, UM, FRIDAY. FRIDAY. WE'LL GET THERE. FRIDAY. IT'S ONLY TUESDAY. THE RECORD CLOSES ON FRIDAY. TODAY'S ONLY TUESDAY. I HEAR YOU. OKAY, EVERYBODY, I PROMISE YOU I'M TRYING TO BE, I I JUST KNOW WE JUST, WE SPEND A TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS RIGHT NOW, SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE NO, FOUR, FOUR MINUTES FOR, I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO DO. I I KNOW EVERY, I KNOW I DON'T. OKAY. I ALWAYS GET RID. SHALL WE DO WANT GET CLOSE THE MEETING? I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, THANK YOU THAT WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS TO INTERVIEW A CANDIDATE FOR THE ANTENNA REVIEW BOARD AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING PENDING PROPOSED AND CURRENT LITIGATION. LIKE TO MOVE THAT SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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