* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] WELCOME [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, March 19, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] TO THE WEDNESDAY, MARCH 19TH, 2020, 20 20 25. TOWN OF GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD MEETING. AARON, WOULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SURE. ACTING CHAIRPERSON. LESLIE DAVIS. HERE. MR. PINE? HERE. MR. GOLDEN? HERE. MR. MOYER? HERE. OUR ALTERNATE. MR. WEINBERG. HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. DESAI AND MR. SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT. IS, IS MS. DAVIS STILL ACTING CHAIRPERSON OR IS SHE CHAIRPERSON NOW RECORDING IN PROGRESS? OH, I THINK IT'S, THAT'S JUST FOR ME. UM, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS A DIDN'T MEAN APPOINTMENT. I KNOW IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. NO, IT HAS HAPPENED. UM, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I JUST ASKED, JUST CONFIRMED THAT EARLIER TODAY, UM, AT THE TWO 20, FEBRUARY 26TH MEETING, MS. DAVIS WAS APPOINTED CHAIRPERSON OF THE PLANNING. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. WE, AND IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PAST MINUTES? NOPE. ALRIGHT. SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE, I'M SORRY, THE FEBRUARY 19TH. FEBRUARY 19TH. A FEW WEEKS BACK. YEAH. OKAY. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL NOT IN FAVOR, NAY. ABSTENTIONS? NONE. THAT'S GOOD. WE JUST, UM, FOR THE MINUTES, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OH, SORRY. IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UH, SO MOVED SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? YES. SO IN CORRESPONDENCE? SURE. UM, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LEAD AGENCY? YES. SO IT'S PB 24 0 3. OH THREE. OKAY. SO IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT PB 24 0 3 HAD BEEN VOTED UPON TO, UM, DECLARE ITS INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY BY THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH APPLICATION THAT IT IS THE CO SIX COWA WAY SUBDIVISION. UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE A REVOTE SINCE THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM FOR THAT PARTICULAR ACTION. AND THE MOTION IS FOR US TO, AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, I WILL ABSTAIN, UH, AGAIN FROM THIS VOTE SINCE I HAD, UH, SUBMITTED A LETTER, UH, ON, ON THE APPLICATION PRIOR TO JOINING THE BOARD. YOU ACTUALLY ARE GONNA RECUSE YOURSELF. SURE. WHAT DID I SAY? AND YOU WON'T VOTE AT ALL. YEAH. I WILL RECUSE MYSELF ON ANY, ANY ACTION FOR THIS CASE. OKAY. WHAT IS IT TO BE LEAD AGENCY? YES. MOTION. YEAH. SO MOVED SECOND. SO IT'S A NOTICE OF INTENT. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE NOTICE AND INTENT TO BE, UH, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE LEAD AGENCIES. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. SO, I MEAN, SO IT PASSED. OKAY. AND, UM, DO WE NEED TO, YEAH. SO BEING THAT WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, DID YOU HAVE A FEW COMMENTS REGARDING THAT PROJECT? YEAH. SO, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT CIRCLE AROUND, THIS IS MY LAST MEETING. SO I'M AT THE TABLE. I MEAN, ALT WEIGHS IN ON THE AGENDA, BUT I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS WHICH I THOUGHT I'D SHARE. I ASKED MATT, IS MATT ON THE, UM, ZOOM? HE IS, YES SIR. TAP YOUR HUFF TWICE IF, YOUR HONOR. OKAY. UM, I ASKED HIM TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND MATT, IF, IF I MISSTATE ANYTHING, PLEASE, UH, JUMP IN. UM, OR ORIGINALLY, TWA WAS EFFECTIVELY ZONED, UM, R 10, 10,000 FEET AROUND 1957. IT WAS REZONED OR UPS ZONED TO R 20. AND THE R 20 ZONING BASICALLY ENCOMPASSED WHAT WE KNOW AS COTSWOLD, WHICH IS PART OF EDGEMONT. UM, AND THINKING ABOUT IT, I COULD IMAGINE ONLY TWO REASONS WHY IT WAS UP ZONED ONE TO PROTECT OPEN SPACE. 'CAUSE THIS WAS ABOUT 20 YEARS, I THINK, AFTER WHEN DID, WHEN DID THEY START BUILDING OR DEVELOPING COTSWOLD? DO YOU KNOW MATT? EARLY THIRTIES. A LOT OF, YEAH, AROUND THE, A LOT OF THE HOUSES ARE IN THE 1920S AND 1930S. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO THIS WAS MAYBE 30 YEARS AFTER, UM, THEY STARTED. SO, UH, THEY MAY HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS, SOMEBODY MAY HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS GETTING TOO DENSE AND THEY WANTED TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACES, SO THEY UPS UNDER TO R 20. UM, PERHAPS THE THINK, AND WE DON'T KNOW THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE RECORD, BUT, UM, YOU CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT ANOTHER REASON MAY HAVE BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THINKING WAS THERE WERE [00:05:01] TOO MANY HOUSES. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE ONLY REASONS I CAN IMAGINE, UM, WHY IT WOULD'VE BEEN ZONED PRESERVE OPEN SPACE OR SLOW DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. UM, THEREFORE THIS APPLICATION REALLY CONTRAVENES BOTH OF THOSE RATIONALES. IT REDUCES THE OPEN SPACE, OF COURSE, BY PROPOSING A HOUSE ON HALF OF THE LOT. AND IT INCREASES THE DENSITY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE BY BUILDING AN EXTRA HOUSE. SO, UM, WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA VOTE ON THIS TODAY. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT IF I WERE TO VOTE ON IT, I WOULD VOTE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE ZONING VARIANCE, UM, FOR A, UH, WHAT KIND OF VARI THAT WILL BE A, UH, AREA VARIANCE CORRECT. YOU KNOW, TO, TO PERMIT A 15,000, TWO 15,000 FOOT LOTS IN AN R 20 ZONE. AND THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND JUST SO THE REST OF THE BOARD'S AWARE OF, KIND OF PROCEDURALLY WHERE WE'RE AT. SO WE'VE RETAKEN THE VOTE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO ESTABLISH ITS ROLE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW OR SEEKER. SO OUR OFFICE WILL TRANSMIT THAT NOTIFICATION OF INTENT, THAT NOTICE OF INTENT TO ALL INVOLVED AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE ZONING BOARD AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED AGENCIES. THERE'S A 30 DAY WINDOW. AND FOLLOWING THAT 30 DAY WINDOW, IT'LL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A FOLLOW-UP WORK SESSION TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD AND THE APPLICANT. SOME FUTURE TIME THERE WILL BE A SECRET DETERMINATION AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE VARIANCES THAT MR. GOLDEN ALLUDED TO. SO, AND THEN IT WOULD BE OFF THE PLANNING BOARD'S TABLE, GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, AND IF THEY OBTAINED THE VARIANCES OR SOME OTHER VERSION OF THE VARIANCES AND CAME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S PROCEDURALLY HOW WE PLAN TO, UH, PROCESS THE APPLICATION AT THIS TIME. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. SPEAKING OF MICHAEL, WASN'T HE FIRST ON YOUR AGENDA? UH, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA DO IT ON THE BACK END. YEAH. SORRY. BUT THANK YOU TO ALL THE APPLAUSE. AND SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS CASE NUMBER PB 24. OH, NOW 24. OH, NOW NINE CHOW CLAYTON ROAD. YES. AND THIS IS, OH, I'M SORRY, AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. THIS IS A CONTINUED WORK SESSION FROM FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS P PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION CONSISTING OF THE SUB SUBDIVISION OF ONE LOT INTO THREE LOTS, UH, WITH TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND A DRIVEWAY. GREAT. GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M BOB BERNSTEIN. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, UM, GOOD TO BE BACK. UH, CONGRATULATIONS, MADAM CHAIR ON YOUR APPOINTMENT. THANK YOU. UM, AND, UH, MICHAEL, UM, THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING. UM, UH, CONGRATULATIONS, I GUESS, OR GOOD LUCK. I'M NOT SURE I HAD TO TAKE THAT . I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL HERE AND YOU'RE STILL ACTING, SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BUT I, I, I DID NOT KNOW THAT YOU WERE LEAVING. SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TENURE AND, UH, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SERVICE, UH, ON THIS APPLICATION, UH, SINCE I WAS HERE BEFORE YOU, UH, WE HAVE FILED FOR THE, UM, UH, VARIANCE FOR THE VARIANCES BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD, UH, THAT IT WILL BE HEARD. UH, WE'RE ON THE AGENDA FOR APRIL 17TH. UM, AND, UH, AT OUR LAST, WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER LAST, UH, YOU DECLARED YOURSELVES LEAD, LEAD AGENCY, UM, UH, AND, UH, UH, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, IS A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING VARIANCES TO THE ZONING BOARD. UM, AND, UH, WHATEVER OTHER NEXT STEPS WE NEED TO DO BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO REPORT. UH, WE DID APPEAR BEFORE THE CAC, UH, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETLANDS, UH, UH, UH, PERMIT APPLICATION. BUT, UM, I, I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, SO I CAN ADD A FEW, FEW THINGS AND THANK YOU, MR. BERNSTEIN. SO, UH, AS MR. BERNSTEIN MENTIONED, WENT BEFORE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, WHICH IS REQUIRED UNDER CHAPTER TWO 80 OF WETLANDS AND WATERCOURSE ORDINANCE. UH, THE RECOMMENDATION THERE IS PENDING, BUT WE NEED THAT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WON'T COME [00:10:01] FOR A WHILE BECAUSE TONIGHT WHAT THE BOARD, UH, IS EXPECTED TO DO AND WHAT STAFF HAS PREPARED, UM, ARE A DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION ON THE PROJECT AS WELL AS I HAVE IN HAND. AND IT WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME WE WERE, UH, DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON THE FOUR VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT. SO I AM HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES, BUT THE DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION WAS CIRCULATED IN THE PACKAGES, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE MAY BE. WITH RESPECT TO THAT DOCUMENT, CAN YOU JUST LIST THE FOUR VARIANCES? YES. FOR THE RECORD? YES. SO, ON LOT ONE IS THE REQUIRED STREET FRONTAGE OF 25 FEET, AND THE PROPOSAL IS ZERO. SO THAT'S, UM, ALL LOTS IN TOWN MUST HAVE AT LEAST 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE ONTO A ROADWAY, IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS. THIS PROJECT, AS YOU MAY RECALL, HAS A NARROWED OR IS PROPOSING A NARROWED SHARED ACCESS ROADWAY 20 FEET AND WIDTH, WHICH DOES NOT MEET THE TOWN STANDARD. SO THEY NEED A VARIANCE ON LOT ONE AND LOT TWO, BOTH FROM 25 FEET TO ZERO FEET. UM, AND THEN LOT THREE, THE NON BUILDABLE FIRE ACCESS SHARED ROADWAY, UH, THEY NEED TWO VARIANCES. UM, ONE THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM THIS DRIVEWAY TO THE WEST SIDE PROPERTY LINE FROM 18 FEET TO 15 FEET. AND ALSO MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE EAST SIDE PROPERTY LINE FROM 18 FEET TO 15 FEET PROPOSED. AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'VE GOT A 50 FOOT STRIP, YOU'VE GOT A 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, AND YOU ONLY HAVE 30 FEET LEFT OVER. SO THEY SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND YOU GET 15 A PIECE WHERE YOU NEED 18. SO THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES. IN TERMS OF THE SEEKER DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, YOU KNOW, PARKING FOR VISITORS OR THE HOMEOWNERS OR THE CHILDREN, WHAT HAVE YOU. AND STAFF INDICATED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SIGNAGE THAT RESTRICTS PARKING. THERE'S ALSO A FIRE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT'S GONNA RESTRICT PARKING. THE FIRE CHIEF MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE DID NOT WANT ANY PARKING ALONG THAT LENGTHY DUAL ACCESS, UH, ROADWAY. SO THAT WILL BE CONDITION THAT CAN BE CONDITIONED AS PART OF ANY PLANNING BOARD DECISION. ON THE PROJECT ALSO WAS DISCUSSED WAS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD CONDITION THAT CERTAIN NUMBER THAT WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO LOTS WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THAT THERE BE, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, A TWO CAR GARAGE PROVIDED IN CONNECTION. NOW MR. BERNSTEIN'S CLIENTS AREN'T GOING TO BUILD THESE HOMES. THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET THE SUBDIVISION AND THEN SELL THEM OFF. SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT CONDITIONED, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD CHOSE TO. SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD OF THAT. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE THINK, WE CONFIRMED THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR COULD ALSO ISSUE VIOLATIONS FOR PARKING WITHIN THE EMERGENCY ACCESS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THERE'S FAILURE TO PLOW THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, IN A TIMELY MANNER? AND I KNOW ONE OF THE RESPONSES WAS FIRE ACCESS CERTAIN, UM, FIRE APPARATUS HAVE PLOWS. IF THEY NEED TO GET ACCESS INTO THE SITE IN THE EVENT OF EMERGENCY, THEY CAN DO THAT. AND THEN BILL BACK THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS. CAN YOU REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION ON WHETHER THERE'S GONNA BE A, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EASEMENT, SOME FORMAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO HOMEOWNERS ON THE REST OF THAT LOT AS OF THE DRIVEWAY IN TERMS WHO CONTROLS IT, WHO'S OBLIGATED TO, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, UH, ONE OF THE HOMES WILL OWN THE ACCESS STRIP SUBJECT TO A PERMANENT RIGHT OF ACCESS EASEMENT, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE ADJACENT HOME. SO THAT, UH, UH, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ACCESS, BUT ONE WILL OWN IT AND ONE WILL HAVE THE EASEMENT. AND WILL THE OWNER HAVE THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT? I THINK THAT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, UM, WE WOULD, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UH, OR YOU COULD REQUIRE IT, UH, COULD CREATE OR REQUIRE THE, UH, AN HOA TO BE CREATED AND THAT THE HOA WOULD ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, UH, UH, FUNCTION, UH, [00:15:01] TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALWAYS DONE. I MEAN, THAT'S COMMON. SO I, I, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD CONDITION IT OR THE, IT, THE DEVELOPER WOULD DO IT ANYWAY, BUT, UH, UH, IT, IT HAS TO BE A SITUATION WHERE THAT IS GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE HOMEOWNERS. SO RECENT, OH, SORRY. RECENTLY WE, IN 4 54 60, UM, YEAH, ROAD, THAT WAS A CONDITION IS THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE A, AN EASEMENT, UH, PREPARED AND REVIEWED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ACCESS FOR BOTH PROPERTIES TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THAT WAS DONE WITH JUST AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT. AND THAT OUTLINED THE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS, REPAIR, REPLACEMENT, IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS WERE DONE, THAT OUTLINED EVERYTHING IN THAT DOCUMENT. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE, AND THAT'S RECORDED, THE OWNER OF THE LOT THAT DOESN'T OWN THE EASEMENT WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE COST, USUALLY 50% FOR BOTH PARTIES. THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING. I THINK THAT'S EASIER THAN AN H OA AGREEMENT WHEN THERE'S ONLY TWO PARTIES IN THE HOUSE. YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU. AND, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OF THEM WOULD ACTUALLY OWN IT IN TERMS OF THAT WOULD BE UNDER THEIR TAX OBLIGATION. I, I BELIEVE SO. YOU KNOW, THAT'S HISTORICALLY THE WAY, OKAY. THIS PROPERTY HAD ALWAYS BEEN BEFORE WE, WE CAME IN FOR THE SUBDIVISION THAT CREATED THE SINGLE LOT SUBDIVISION. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE CREATING THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO REALLOCATE IT. UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE OWNED BY SOMEBODY. UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, I, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO WHEN WE SELL IT. OKAY. SO, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. THE ACCESS STRIP HAS A WIDTH OF 50 FEET TOTAL, CORRECT? RIGHT. 20 OF WHICH IS THE ACTUAL AXIS. WHY WAS IT LIMITED TO 50? ARE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE SIDE OF THAT AXIS? THEY'RE DIFFERENT. THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS MEANING ON, UH, TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT? I GUESS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE AXIS. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S A, ARE THEY NOT RELATED TO THE APPLICANT? NO, THEY'RE NOT. I MEAN, UH, I COULD GIVE AN EXPLANATION, BUT IT WOULD TAKE A WHILE . UH, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE HISTORY, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE FIRST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS APPLICATION FOR THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, UM, I WAS ASKED TO RECITE THAT HISTORY AND PRESENT ALL THE DEEDS AND TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, UH, BACK IN THE TWENTIES, THE THIRTIES, THE FORTIES AND AND WHATNOT. UM, BUT SUFFICE TO SAY THAT THESE PROPERTIES, UH, WERE ALL ONCE COMMONLY OWNED, AND THEN THEY, UH, WERE, WERE SUBDIVIDED, UM, BY DEED, BUT NOT BY THE PLANNING BOARD. 'CAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD DIDN'T EXIST. IT DIDN'T HAVE JURISDICTION. UH, THIS WAS DONE, UH, UM, ACTUALLY IN 1953. AND, UH, UH, THESE LANDLOCKED LOTS WERE CREATED WITH THE ACCESS STRIP, UM, WITH THE RIGHT OF ACCESS, UH, RUNNING TO EACH OF THE LOTS IN CONTEMPLATION THAT SOMEDAY, UH, CLAYTON WOULD BECOME PAVED AND THAT THESE, UH, UH, HOUSES WOULD, THEN, THESE LOTS WOULD THEN BE SOLD SUBJECT TO THE, UH, RIGHT OF ACCESS THAT'S IN THE ACCESS STRIP. SO THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN 1953 AND IT'S NOW 2025. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. SO, AND PLANNING BOARD DID EXIST AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BUT THERE'S A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER, UM, UNDER FIVE LOTS CONSTITUTED A SUBDIVISION. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. I BYSTAND CORRECT. . YEAH. AND, AND I, THE, THE REQUIREMENT WAS IN THOSE DAYS THAT IF YOU WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE IN ORDER TO LEGALLY DO IT, YOU JUST SIMPLY HAD TO MAKE A MAP AND FILE IT WITH THE COUNTY, UH, UH, LAND, LAND, UH, THE LAND BUREAU. AND, AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO. SO NOWADAYS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, WEIGH IN ON SUBDIVISION LEGALIZE, THESE, UH, THESE, THESE, UM, UH, LOTS THAT WERE SUBDIVIDED BY DEED RATHER THAN BY, BY ACT OF THE PLANNING BOARD. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR STANDARD RIGHT OF WAY IS HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN 50 FEET. AND IF THEY PUT IN A ROAD THAT WAS 26 FEET WIDE, THE WAY THE CODE READS IN TERMS OF THE SHOULDERS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY NARROW THEM DOWN. BUT WITH A DRIVEWAY, IT'S DIFFERENT. AND YOU'RE REQUIRED THAT 18 FEET IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONE. BUT IF IT WAS GOING TO BE A CONVENTIONAL 26 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY, POTENTIALLY OFFERED FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED THOSE. THEY WOULDN'T NEED THOSE VARIANCES BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE CLASSIFIED AS A DRIVEWAY. MM-HMM . BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY THIS BOARD, AND SOMETHING I WAS GONNA GET INTO WAS, UH, AT LEAST A FEW MEMBERS WEIGHED IN ON THE FACT THAT NARROWING DOWN OF [00:20:01] THE ROADWAY IS BENEFICIAL IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. UM, IT'LL REDUCE DOWN ON IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND OVERALL DISTURBANCES, POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVALS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER IN ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCES. SO IF, IF IT WERE 26 FEET WIDE, WE WOULDN'T NEED ANY OF THE VARIANCES. THAT'S, THAT'S NO, NO. YOU WOULD NEED EVEN GREATER VARIANCES BECAUSE THE WIDTH ON EITHER SIDE, THE SETBACK IN THE, IN LOT THREE, I KNOW IT WOULD BE LESS, BUT I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID IF IT'S A TOWN ROAD, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, IT'D BE DIFFERENT VARIANCES. IT'D BE DIFFERENT. YOU WOULDN'T BE WORRYING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY SETBACK VARIANCES WHICH ARE REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S BEING DEEMED A DRIVER WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ZONING VARIANCE REQUIRED. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE ASKED THAT QUESTION AT THE ORIGINAL AWARDS. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE SPOKE LAST TIME, I THINK YOU HAD, WE'D SPOKEN ABOUT DRY WELLS AND WHERE THEY WOULD AND WOULDN'T BE ON THE PROPERTY IN THE SEEKER DETERMINATION. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY REFERENCE TO THE NEED FOR THEM, SHOULD IT, UH, LEMME TAKE A QUICK LOOK. TALKS ABOUT, UM, EROSION MANAGEMENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT DRY WELLS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GENERIC IN HERE IN STATING THAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN STONE MOTOR MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMITS, UH, SUBJECT TO CHAPTER 2 48 STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND HAS TO COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS. BUT IF WE, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO ADD IN MORE LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT, WOULD THE SPECIFICS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT. THE ONE THING IS THAT IT'D BE GOOD FOR YOU TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE LANGUAGE YOU WANT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE HOMES ARE KIND OF CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW. THE APPLICANT'S GOING, THE BUILDER OR DEVELOPER IS GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE THAT ARE ESTABLISHED ON THE PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLANS. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SIZE OF THE HOME. SO IF WE SAY, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE TOO SPECIFIC. YEAH. BUT IF WE SAY SOMETHING INCLUDING APPROPRIATE STORMWATER OR DRYWALL, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM? WELL, LOOK THERE, WE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE PUTTING A CONDITION WHICH SAYS YOU MUST COMPLY WITH THE LAW SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE 20 PAGES LONG. OKAY. IF IT'S COVERED IN THE, IN THE TOWN CODE, I'M FINE. YEAH. ON PAGE FOUR, I CAN NO, I SEE IT. OKAY. TO, TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. BUT DO YOU QUESTION IS WHEN THEY DO COME TO DEVELOP AND THERE'S SUBMITTING PLANS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THEN IF IT COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD? SO IT'S NOT TYPICAL THAT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, BECAUSE WE HAVE A TOWN ENGINEER WHO'S A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND HIS TEAM THAT WOULD REVIEW TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DONE PARTICULARLY MORE RECENTLY, HAS ASKED APPLICANTS TO, IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING AND ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, A DESIGN A 50 YEAR DESIGN STORM VERSUS OUR CODE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 25 YEAR IN THIS CASE. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF CONCEPTUAL. SO WE CAN ASK MR. BERNSTEIN IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE BELIEVES COULD BE ACCOMMODATED. AND THEN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE ALONG, MAYBE THAT'S ULTIMATELY A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN FLOODING THROUGHOUT VARIOUS PARTS OF TOWN, THE PLANNING BOARD AND, YOU KNOW, IN COORDINATION WITH THE APPLICANT IS CONDITIONING THAT, UH, THE FINAL STONEWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGNED FOR BOTH LOTS, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE 50 YEAR DESIGN STORM REMOVAL. AND AS AARON SAID, HISTORICALLY, WHEN THEY DO, WE, WE HAVE ALWAYS ASKED EVEN MAYBE EVEN UP AND BEYOND. AND IF WE DON'T KNOW IN THEY'RE BUILDING, WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WE MIGHT BE ASKING FOR LESS THAN WHAT IT IS IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. SO THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT ITS STORMWATER REGULATIONS AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, BUT IF THE BOARD WANTED TO SPEAK WITH MR. BERNSTEIN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT A MINIMUM MEETING THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT OR WHATEVER'S IN REGULATION AT THE TIME OF THE BILL, THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY AT A MINIMUM, I THINK, THINK WE COULD ENTERTAIN THAT REQUEST, UM, AT THE TIME [00:25:01] A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE'LL KNOW MORE DON'T, IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO SPEAK WITH YOUR SPEAK TO CLIENTS. YEAH. THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK HERE NEXT TIME, YOU'LL LET US KNOW JUST KNOWING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU NOW TO COMMIT TO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. I, UH, WE'LL GET BETTER, I'LL GET BETTER INFORMED. UH, BUT I THINK THE NEXT TIME IS WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THE ZONING BOARD AND WE COME BACK, WHY DON'T WE DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL VOTE? YES. WELL THAT, I MEAN, THIS IS, SORRY MICHAEL, WHY I WAS ASKING RIGHT. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO IN VOTE AN ENVIRONMENTAL VOTE THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. OR AND THAT YEAH, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED AND I'M GLAD WE WENT THROUGH IT. UM, PAGE FOUR DOES INDICATE THAT THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 2 48 IN TERMS OF IF THE BOARD AT A FUTURE TIME DECIDES THAT MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, DESIGN TO A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT, THAT CAN ALWAYS BE A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. OKAY. OKAY. SO AS AARON SAID, STAFF HAS PREPARED THE SEEKER. AND JUST TO READ THE SENTENCE, THE TOWN OF GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION DESCRIBED BELOW WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT WILL NOT BE PREPARED. UM, SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SO WE HAVE TWO VOTES, I'M SORRY. AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, AN UNLISTED ACTION AND I MOVE THAT IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION. OKAY. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. I'M SORRY. UH, FIRST THE BOARD HAS TO DECLARE, UH, LEAD AGENCY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MATT. SO THE PLANNING BOARD DECLARED ITS INTENT AND THAT WAS CIRCULATED. OKAY. AND MATT APPROPRIATELY, UH, ADVISED THE BOARD TO TAKE A VOTE TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY. NOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO BACK UP, NO OBJECTIONS. LET'S BACK UP FOR A MOMENT. THANK YOU. SO WE NEED A MOTION TO DECLARE THE PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO NOW DO WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN ON THE UNLISTED? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU. WE DID IT BACKWARDS. NO. OKAY. AND, UM, THE, UM, NOT A NEGATIVE CONDITIONS ON IT, NEGATIVE DECLARATION. MM-HMM . ALL IN FAVOR? I I'M SORRY. YOU NEED A MOTION TO DECLARE A, A NEGATIVE. SO MOVED. THANK YOU. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. SO NOW THAT, THAT'S ADOPTED, A COPY OF THIS WILL BE CIRCULATED TO THE ZONING BOARD ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES. I WENT THROUGH THE FOUR VARIANCES AND I ACTUALLY JUST TODAY DRAFTED UP A, UH, RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT. IT LAYS THE BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT, ALL THE APPROVALS REQUIRED, INCLUDING THE VARIANCES, THE DATES IN WHICH THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT AHEAD OF IT, THE RECOMMENDATION. AND, UM, AND THEN IT COMES BACK HERE WHERE WE CAN ASK FOR. RIGHT? SO PROCEDURALLY MM-HMM . YOU'VE, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DECLARED ITSELF, FLEET AGENCY ISSUED THE SEEKER DETERMINATION AND NOW IS GONNA ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE FOUR VARIANCES. THE WAY I HAVE DRAFTED THIS UP IS I'VE NOTED ESSENTIALLY EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. I THINK MICHAEL MADE THE STATEMENT AND OTHERS WERE IN AGREEMENT. AND I HAVE IT HERE. UH, TO THE EXTENT THE REASONABLY SIZED ROAD CREATES THE NEED FOR VARIANCES, IT WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE AND RELATED DISTURBANCES COMPARED TO INSTALLATION OF A TOWN STANDARD ROADWAY WIDTH OF 26 FEET. FURTHER, THE PLANNING BOARD NOTED THAT AS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, A REDUCED WIDTH, SHARED ROADWAY ACCESS WOULD BE MORE IN CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN COMPARED TO A TRADITIONAL CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY. SO THAT, THAT WAS CRAFTED BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING. HAPPY TO ADD ANYTHING. UM, BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. AND I CAN GO THROUGH THE FOUR VARIANCES AGAIN, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE INDIVIDUAL VOTES OR IF THE BOARD'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD. ANY ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANTS TO OFFER A MOTION, IT, IT'S A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 25 FOOT EXPOSURE TO A TOWN ROADWAY. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO, AND HOW ABOUT THE OTHER TWO VARIANCES WITH RESPECT TO THE SETBACKS FROM THE PROPERTY? RIGHT, RIGHT. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE POSITIVE IF ONLY BECAUSE IT IMPROVES UPON IT. SO, SO WE'RE [00:30:01] NOT GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WOULD MAKE IT A POSITIVE IF YOU WANTED, IF YOU FELT LIKE THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT. AND TO MICHAEL'S, TO ANSWER MICHAEL'S QUESTION, RIGHT. SO EACH OF THE TWO LOTS THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE WOULD NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED FRONTAGE ON A ROAD IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS. SO THAT'S THE 25 FEET DOWN THE ZERO, THAT'S THE FIRST TWO VARIANCE. THAT'S THE FIRST TWO. SECOND TWO ARE BECAUSE THE ACCESS SHARED ROADWAY OR DRIVEWAY IS NOT A TOWN STANDARD ROADWAY. THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS DETERMINING IT TO BE A DRIVEWAY. BUT IF IT WERE A TOWN ROADWAY, YOU'D STILL NEED VARIANCES. JUST DIFFERENT ONES. DIFFERENT, THAT'S CORRECT. BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE AND DISTURBANCES. ALRIGHT. I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE WAY IT'S FINE. SO WE WE'RE GIVING BASICALLY A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL FOUR. WELL, I HAVE, I MEAN, I'VE PUT IN POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, NEUTRAL, THAT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE BOARD. I JUST LAID OUT THE BACKGROUND AND THEN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME. OKAY. SO AMANDA, JUST UM, CAN YOU JUST REITERATE THE POSITIVE NEUTRAL? SURE. SO THE PLANNING BOARD PREVIOUSLY REVISITED ITS POLICY ON MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR VARIANCES. UM, IT FOUND THAT IT WAS GOING, UM, POSITIVE MORE OFTEN WHEN IT WAS INTENDING TO REMAIN NEUTRAL UNLESS THERE WAS A, UM, PLANNING CONSIDERATION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT VARIANCE, EITHER TO GO POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE INSTEAD OF NEUTRAL. SAY THAT AGAIN? . YEAH, , SORRY. UM, SO IN CONSIDERING THE VARIANCES REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD PREVIOUSLY REVISITED ITS POLICY ON MAKING A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION VERSUS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, UM, FINDING THAT IT SHOULD STICK TO A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION UNLESS THERE WAS A PLANNING CONSIDERATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE VARIANCES. UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES? UM, LEMME GIVE AN EXAMPLE. SO WITH RESPECT TO SIX CO COTSWOLD AWAY, I, THERE'S A PLANNING CONSIDERATION. THE NOTION, AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IS THAT THE UP ZONE FROM 10 TO 20 WAS DESIGNED TO PRESERVE OPEN LAND, WHICH IS A PLANNING ISSUE. AND BECAUSE THIS APPLICATION WOULD REDUCE OPEN LAND BY BUILDING ANOTHER HOUSE, WE THINK WOULD'VE NEGATIVE PLANNING IMPLICATIONS. IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SUGGEST WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. WHY? BECAUSE OF PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS. NARROWING THE ROAD MEANS LESS DISTURBANCE, LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, MORE VEGETATION, POTENTIALLY FEWER TREES CUT DOWN. UM, VISUALLY, I KIND OF LIKE THE NARROW ROADS, , YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THAT PART OF TOWN, THEY NARROW ROADS. UM, SO THAT TO ME IS ALSO A PLANNING CONSIDERATION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF I MIGHT, AH, YES, YOU MAY. UM, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS, UH, AN IDENTICAL TYPE SITUATION WITH VAN KOTT. DO YOU REMEMBER THE VAN KOTT SUBDIVISION? MM-HMM . UM, AND THERE THE PLANNING BOARD MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES, UH, REQUESTED THERE, WHICH ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME VARIANCES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE. WHEN WAS MANCO? UH, 19, UH, TWO 19. UH, 2019. YEAH. WAS THAT BEFORE? AFTER THE PENDING BOARD? THAT WAS BEFORE REVISITED. MADE A SORT OF DIFFERENCE IN HOW WE MAKE SOMETHING POSITIVE, NEUTRAL. OKAY. OR NEGATIVE. AND FOR ME, I THINK POSITIVE MEANS THAT IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY, LET'S SAY IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES REDUCES IT. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NEUTRAL. BUT ANOTHER EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF, THANK YOU, MICHAEL, WAS UM, I THINK WE HAD A VETERINARY, UM, A VARIANCE FOR ENCLOSING, I THINK IT WAS A DOG RUN. AND SO THAT WAS, IT WASN'T A SETBACK ISSUE AND THAT WAS, UM, REALLY CONSIDERATION OF, UM, HOW THAT WOULD WORK, YOU KNOW, INDOORS OR OUTDOORS. SO I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE AS WELL OF PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE VARIANCE. THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR VARIANCES THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT WE'VE BEEN ON. SO COULD YOU DO POSITIVE ON THE ROAD AND NEUTRAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE? YES, SIR. I WOULD SUPPORT POSITIVE ON THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY. YEAH. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, OKAY, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION POSITIVE ON THE, ON THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY. NEUTRAL. WELL, DO WE WANNA GO? UM, 1, 2, 3, 4. SO LET ME JUST SORT OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, [00:35:01] UM, GIVE SOME CLARIFICATION. SO, BECAUSE THE ROAD IS BEING NARROWED TO 20 FEET, THEY CLEARLY DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON A ROAD IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARD. THAT'S 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE FOR EACH LOT DOWN TO ZERO. ALSO, BECAUSE THE ROAD'S BEING ARROWED, IT'S BEING CLASSIFIED AS A DRIVEWAY, WHICH REQUIRES THE, THE DRIVEWAY SETBACKS TO PROPERTY LINES, WHICH IN THIS ZONE ARE 18 FEET. AND, AND THE APPLICANT'S ONLY ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE 15. SO I REALLY THINK SO REALLY ALL FOUR VARIANCES SPRING FROM THE FACT THAT THE ROAD HAS BEEN CORRECT. NARROW TO 20 FEET NOT TO TOWN STANDARDS? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. I MOVE, WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL FOUR VARIANCES. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AYE. NAY, RATHER. SO, LESLIE. OKAY. AND WOULD YOU LIKE US TO ADD THE RATIONALE THAT YOU JUST, THE BENEFITS AREN'T SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT RIGHT. A POSITIVE AND IT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PICK THAT CLEAR UP. YOU DID TELL ME THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT CARRIES, WE WILL TRANSMIT THE SECRET DETERMINATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD WELL AHEAD OF THEIR MEETING ON APRIL 17TH. YOU'LL NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT AND PROCEDURALLY, UH, BECAUSE OF MICHELLE ASKED EARLIER, IF YOU OBTAIN THE VARIANCES OR SOME FORM OF THEM, ULTIMATELY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS ON STONEWATER MANAGEMENT. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IF IT MOVES FORWARD. FROM THERE, YOU'LL OBTAIN A, A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK THE BOARD. UM, I JUST ASK THAT I GET A COPY OF THE MATERIALS THAT YOU TRANSMIT SO I HAVE IT AS WELL OF OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. BYE. SO, AND I'M GONNA INDICATE THAT YOU WOULD VOTE NEUTRAL. NEUTRAL? YES. YEP. OKAY, LET'S JUST PAUSE FOR A MOMENT UNTIL MICHAEL COMES BACK. SO, BUT THE NEXT CASE IS GOING TO BE PB 25 0 2 SULTANA 7 4 2 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH. RIGHT. AND THAT'S ON, I'LL, I'LL INDICATE WE DON'T, UM, NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE ANYONE UP FRONT BECAUSE IT'S A HANFORD DECISION. AND SO SALTANA, WHICH IS OUR NEXT CASE, PB 25 0 2 7 42 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, SOUTH PO SCARSDALE, NEW YORK. IT'S FOR A PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION. WE REVIEWED THIS IN WORK SESSION. IT'S, UM, A REQUEST IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONVERSION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 716 SQUARE FOOT, UH, EXISTING VACANT OFFICE SPACE INTO A TAKEOUT ONLY RETAIL BAKERY SPACE. AND THE CONVERSION WOULD INCREASE THE TOTAL OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT BY ONE SPACE. UM, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. THERE ARE NO EXTERNAL CHANGES PROPOSED, UH, TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE AND STAFF. THIS WOULD'VE BEEN ON FOR THE LAST MEETING FOR A DECISION, BUT WE CANCELED DUE TO, UM, REALLY NOT HAVING ENOUGH ON, WE DID CONTACT THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. SO, COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, AND BEFORE YOU, AARON, REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT, UM, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH UPON A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE, UH, BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING REGARDING THIS PROJECT. UM, THERE'S A QUESTION ON IF, UH, A DA AN A DA SPACE WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED DUE TO THE, UH, THE CHANGE IN USE. AND I SPOKE WITH OUR BUILDING, UH, DEPARTMENT, AND THE ANSWER WAS THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE DUE TO IT BEING A PARTIAL CHANGE IN USE. UM, SO GIVEN THAT IT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMING IN RESPECT TO A DA SPACES, IT CAN REMAIN THAT WAY. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE USE OF THE, UH, THE REAR PARKING LOT, LIKE WHO PARKS THERE. UM, AND THE ANSWER FROM THE APPLICANT WAS THAT THAT PARKING AREA IS RESERVED FOR THE, FOR, UH, CUSTOMERS OF THE, UM, THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS. [00:40:02] AND SO I SAW THE LETTER THAT THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET. WHERE, WHERE DO THE RESIDENTS IN THE, IN THE APARTMENTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR PARK THEN, DO THEY PARK ON THE STREET OR DO THEY NOT HAVE ? I I DO NOT KNOW. I WOULD ASSUME THAT MEANS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ON ONSITE PARKING. OKAY. UH, YES. YES. UM, HI, MY NAME IS KELLY FERNANDEZ. I WORK WITH NICHOLAS FINI. UM, THE LANDLORD DID CONFIRM, UM, THAT THE REAR IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CUSTOMERS ONLY. SO THE TENANTS DO NOT, UM, PARK THERE OR IF THEY DO THEY NEED TO BE OUT, UM, OR THE BUSINESS DAY. WELL, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. NO, WELL, I GUESS THE BUSINESSES AREN'T OPEN OVERNIGHT, SO THEORETICALLY THEY, BUT IT SAID, SAID, ACCORDING TO THE LANDLORD, THE PARKING SPACE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED FOR CUSTOMER USE ONLY EVEN DURING NIGHTTIME HOURS. OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LETTER SAYS, RIGHT? OH, MY APOLOGIES. OKAY, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE LANDLORD IS NOT PROVIDING PARKING SPACES FOR THE TENANTS PURSUANT TO THE LETTER. YEAH. THIS HAS APPARENTLY BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS, SO, YEAH, NO, I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S AN ISSUE. YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST MORE CURIOUS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA NEED A, A MOTION TO DECLARE, UH, THE PLAIN BOARD AS MEET AGENCY. SO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THAT MOTION PASSES. MM-HMM . AND, OH, SORRY. I DID YOU VOTE? YEAH. OH, SHE DID. OKAY. , SORRY. SO THEN STAFF'S PREPARED A DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION. UH, WE'VE PRELIMINARILY CLASSIFIED THE PROJECT AS AN UNLISTED ACTION, SO THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO VOTE. SO WE NEED A MOTION CLA US AS AN UNLIST. UNLISTED. IT'S NOT A TYPE TWO. NO. SO SHARED PARKING REDUCTIONS ARE, DO NOT FALL UNDER THE TYPE TWO. THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED AND THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE SECRET. I GOT IT. RE SO I, I KNOW SOME MOVED UNLISTED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AND LAST AND YES. LAST TO CONSIDER A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER. I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE IT AS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER. I MOVED SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, JUST TO CLARIFY, , SOME LOOKS, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE DECLARATION, YOU KNOW, COULD COME ACROSS AS, RIGHT. SO IT'S BASICALLY A DETERMINATION OF NONS SIGNIFICANCE WITH RESPECT TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. SO THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF AND STAFF HAS DRAFTED A DECISION FOR THIS EVENING PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER. UH, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE CLASSIFIED THE ACTION AS UNLISTED. WE'VE ADOPTED THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION. AND NOW, UH, FOLLOWING THE RECEIPT OF THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DATED FEBRUARY 13TH, 2025, THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER A VOTE ON THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF ONE SPACE. I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I I HAVE A, OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. YES. UM, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, SINCE I LIVE ABOUT TWO BLOCKS AWAY, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA OPEN ? UH, THAT, UM, I'M NOT SURE OFF FOR THAT. I'M SORRY SIR. BUT ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT THE CAFE? UH, SOME COFFEE. IT'S A TAKEOUT ONLY, CORRECT? YES. TAKEOUT BAKERY. YES. YES. TAKEOUT BAKERY, PRE-ME GOODS. YOU HAVE NO TIMETABLE AT ALL? UM, NOT THAT I WAS, IF ANYTHING I COULD HAVE, UM, I CAN CIRCLE BACK AROUND WITH THAT INFORMATION. MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE PRELIMINARILY FILED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, UH, TO START THE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO OPERATE THE CAFE. BUT THAT COULD TAKE SOME TIME. [00:45:01] OKAY. THANKS MATT. THANK YOU. YES. UH, NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS NEW BUSINESS. THE CASE NUMBER IS PB 24 13, TACO BELL, 57 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH, A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS A PLANNING BOARD SITE PLAN, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND WATER CROSS PERMIT, AND TREE REMOVABLE PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TACO BELL QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT ON AN EXISTING LOTS. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZA AND STEINMETZ HERE REPRESENTING KAI RESTAURANT GROUP. I'M JOINED BY, UH, PAUL DUMONT AND MARK RO FROM OUR ENGINEERING AND PLANNING CONSULTING FIRM, JMC, MY COLLEAGUE MATT BARONS. BEFORE I START MY PRESENTATION, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO FORGET, 'CAUSE I WANT TO SAY IT, MICHAEL, I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE LEAVING THE BOARD. UM, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY GLAD THAT I'M HERE TONIGHT FOR YOUR LAST NIGHT. I'M SAD TO SEE YOU LEAVE THE BOARD. UM, YOU TONIGHT DEMONSTRATED WHAT I'VE WATCHED YOU DO FOR 10, 15 YEARS, WHICH IS KNOWLEDGE SPIRITED DISCUSSION. I WILL MISS WORKING WITH YOU. I WILL MISS SPARRING WITH YOU, UM, AND I'M SURE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL, WILL MISS YOUR CONTRIBUTION. I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS BOARD, SO DISAPPOINTED TO SAY THE LEAST TO SEE YOU LEAVE THE BOARD. THANK YOU, DAVID. IT MEANS A LOT COMING FROM YOU. APPRECIATE IT. UM, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T SPAR TONIGHT, SO GO RIGHT AHEAD. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I AM HERE, UM, WITH REGARD TO, UH, HOPEFULLY REPURPOSING THE HONEYBAKED HAM, UH, LOCATION THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH ON CENTRAL AVENUE. OUR CLIENTS ARE SEEKING TO DO A TACO BELL RESTAURANT, UM, BOTH A, UH, EAT IN AND A DRIVE THROUGH. AND AS WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS EVENING, IT IS PRIMARILY, UM, STATISTICALLY UTILIZED AS A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, RESTAURANT. UM, ABOUT 60% OF THE FOLKS WHO COME TO A DR. A TACO BELL GO TO THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW AND EXIT THE PROPERTY. WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OUR CLIENTS ACTUALLY OWN AND OPERATE SEVERAL TACO BELLS. SO THIS IS NOT LIKE A ONE-OFF, UH, FOR THESE, UH, FOR OUR CLIENTS. THEY, THEY HAVE SOME EMPIRICAL DATA THAT THEY CAN BACK THAT UP WITH. WE'RE HERE TO START THE PROCESS FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SPECIAL PERMIT APPROVAL. WE KNOW WE NEED VARIANCES. SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ME SAY AT THE END WHAT I'M GONNA TELL YOU AT THE BEGINNING. I AM ASKING YOU, AS MICHAEL AND OTHERS KNOW, I HAVE DONE ON OTHER APPLICATIONS PREVIOUSLY TO HELP US GET TO THE ZONING BOARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WHY? I HAVE NO DESIRE TO, NO MATTER HOW MUCH FUN IT IS TO COME HERE, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO WASTE YOUR TIME. UM, AND MY CLIENT'S, UH, TIME AND EFFORT AND MONEY IF WE ARE UNSUCCESSFUL IN GRANT, IN RECEIVING CRITICAL VARIANCES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE APPLICATION. SO WE'RE HERE, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT. I'M NOT TRYING TO IN ANY WAY RUSH YOUR PROCESS, BUT I AM TELLING YOU THAT I THINK IT IN THE TERMS OF EFFICIENCY LAND USE EFFICIENCY, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE ZONING BOARD TO DISCUSS THOSE VARIANCES. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY CAN VOTE ON THOSE VARIANCES AS WE HAVE DONE ON OTHER APPLICATIONS TOGETHER UNTIL YOU COMPLETE YOUR SECRET REVIEW. BUT THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T GET THERE AND OPEN THAT DIALOGUE. WE DID THIS MOST RECENTLY, AARON, AMANDA AND MICHAEL SHOULD REMEMBER THIS. LESLIE, I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE ALREADY ON THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT I GOT APPROVED, UM, ON WASHINGTON AVE. AARON, YOU'RE NODDING. SO YOU RECALL, I WE DID THE SAME THING ON THAT APPLICATION. SO PROCEDURALLY, I AM GONNA ASK YOU TO TRY TO GET US TO THE ZONING BOARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. IN TERMS OF, UM, OUR APPLICATION, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE HONEYBAKED HAM FACILITY HAS NEVER REALLY TAKEN OFF. IT IS AN UNDERUTILIZED SITE. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SEEKING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IT IS CONDUCIVE, WE BELIEVE TO SOME KIND OF, UM, RESTAURANT OR IN THIS CASE, FAST FOOD. UM, USE OR WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IMPROVE THE SITE, MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. UH, CURRENTLY HAS TWO CURB CUTS. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR PAUL WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN MOMENTARILY CHANGING IT TO ONE CURB CUT. UH, WE BELIEVE THE 24 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG WITH THE EIGHT PARKING, THE EIGHT SPACES THAT ARE MATHEMATICALLY COUNTED IN THE QUEUING LINE AT THE, AT THE DRIVE THROUGH ARE SUFFICIENT. WE, WE BASE THAT ON OTHER TACO BELL LOCATIONS AND I'M, I ASSUME JOHN CANNING, UH, IS ON. YES. UM, AND I WILL LET, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, BUT WE WERE PLEASED, UH, THAT HE GOT INVOLVED EARLY, UH, AND, AND CONDUCTED HIS ANALYSIS. I WANNA TAKE A STEP BACK. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS APPLICATION, [00:50:01] AND PAUL AND I AND OUR CLIENTS AND OUR TEAM STARTED TALKING, WE KNEW THAT TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION WAS GONNA BE CRITICAL OF ANYBODY THAT DRIVES CENTRAL AVENUE. WE WERE VERY WELL AWARE OF THIS LOCATION. FIRST THING WE DID WAS MEET WITH YOUR STAFF AND HAD A MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE WITH AARON GARRETT AND OTHERS. SECOND THING WE DID WAS WE, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER WE WERE HERE IN JUNE OF LAST SUMMER, UM, AND WE DID A PRE-SUBMISSION DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BOARD. AND ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS WAS WE NEEDED TO REALLY SPEND TIME AND MONEY AND WORK WITH YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS. SO WE HAVE DONE THAT. UM, AND WE WOULD NOT BE HERE IF WE DIDN'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE THINK THE SITE IS FUNCTIONAL, VIABLE, AND ACTUALLY DOES WORK WITH 24 PARKING SPACES. WE DO NEED A BUNCH OF VARIANCES. I'M GONNA LET PAUL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. SEVERAL OF THOSE VARIANCES ARE CONTINUATIONS OF PRE-EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE OR NONCONFORMING BULK. THERE ARE ALREADY NONCONFORMITIES ON THE HONEYBAKED HAM SITE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE AND SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY WILL BE REDUCED OR IMPROVED AS A RESULT OF THIS APPLICATION. WE, UM, I'M GONNA LET PAUL GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE SPECIFIC VARIANCES, BUT I JUST WANNA TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING. UM, WE STUDIED SEVERAL OTHER TACO BELL LOCATIONS THAT OUR CLIENT, UH, OWNS AND OPERATES. WE DID WHAT WE DID BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE COMPARABLE AND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS BASED UPON TRAFFIC VOLUMES, CIRCULATION AND WHAT WE EXPECT BASED UPON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY. WE HAVE SHARED THAT DATA WITH STAFF. I THINK WE HAVE SHARED THAT DATA WITH YOUR BOARD. UM, I THINK MR. CANNING IS AWARE OF IT. UH, I, I THINK MR. CANNING MAY HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT HE HAS SHARED WITH US IN HIS REPORT. AGAIN, LET, LET, UH, LET JOHN DEAL DEAL WITH THAT HIMSELF. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST VERY BRIEFLY TAKE YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, LET YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE LOCATING OUR PARKING SPACES WHERE THEY ARE, HOW THE DRIVE THROUGH WILL FUNCTION, WHY PAUL AND MARK, MARK IS OUR TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEER HAVE CONCLUDED MATHEMATICALLY UNDER ITE AND ACTUAL DATA THAT THE SITE WORKS. THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE THAT WE STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH A DOT REVIEW WITH REGARD TO, UH, THE NEW YORK STATE DOT HAVING JURISDICTION OVER ROUTE 100. WE'RE CONFIDENT WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. AND, AND WE WOULD STILL LIKE TO PROCEED BEFORE YOU ARE BOARD. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO PAUL. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS ENOUGH TO GET TO THE ZONING BOARD, THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTIONS ENABLED. YEAH, THANKS DAVID. UH, GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD. PAUL DUMONT WITH JMC. JUST GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE. OKAY. UH, SO I JUST WANNA TAKE A STEP BACK. UM, HERE'S, UH, AN, AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, UM, FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY GIS. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 57 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE. IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN. UH, THE SITE IS ABOUT 0.4 ACRES IN SIZE AND, UH, IS, UH, BORDERED BY, UM, A SUBWAY SANDWICH SHOP AND A, A PET GROOMER TO THE NORTH. UH, THE HEART SALE PET CEMETERY, UH, TO THE NORTH AND WEST, KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE PROPERTY HERE AND AN APARTMENT BUILDING TO THE SOUTH. UM, THIS SITE, AS DAVID SAID, HAS UH, TWO CURB CUTS. UH, NOW THAT THEY'RE, UM, THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS ONE WAY FLOW, SO IT'S ENT UH, ONE DRIVEWAY IS ENTERING, ONE DRIVEWAY IS EXITING, UH, THE BUILDING'S LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE. AND THEN AS YOU LOOP AROUND, THERE ARE, UH, PARALLEL PARKING SPACES AND ANGLED PARKING SPACES, UM, FOR THE HONEYBAKED HIM THERE. CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? YES, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. YES, CAN TRY. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. BATTLING. KEEP IT MOVING. . I'M BATTLING. OKAY. THANKS DAVID. THANK YOU. YEP. SO, SO THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONDITION AND, UH, THE EXISTING ACCESS. MOVING TO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, HERE'S A, A SITE PLAN RENDERING THAT WE PREPARED. SO, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE, UH, CONSOLIDATING THE, THE CURB CUT TO ONE SINGLE TWO-WAY FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'LL BE A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE SITE, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. UH, AND THEN AS WE WORK OUR WAY INTO THE SITE, WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT TWO FOOT WIDE, OR, UH, I'M SORRY, WE'RE MAINTAINING THE TWO, TWO WAY ACCESS DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SITE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO HAVE, UM, 90 DEGREE PARKING, UH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE. AND THEN A, A SIDEWALK IN OUR BUILDING. UM, AS WE WORK OUR WAY TO THE BACK OF THE SITE, AT THE END OF THE PARKING AREA IS WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE IS. UH, SO, UH, PATRONS WILL ENTER THE DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND THEN LOOP AROUND, UH, THE BUILDING TO THE, THE MENU BOARD, INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW. UM, WE DO HAVE RECIRCULATION, SO AFTER [00:55:01] THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE WHERE WE CONNECT BACK INTO THE MAIN ACCESS DRIVE AND, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME PARKING SPACES THERE IN THE FRONT OF THE SITE THAT WILL, UM, MOST LIKELY BE UTILIZED AS, UM, UH, UH, ORDER PICKUP OR FOR CUSTOMERS WILL BE DIRECTED. CUSTOMERS WITH LARGER ORDERS WILL BE DIRECTED TO WAIT THERE AND, UM, WAIT FOR THEIR ORDERS SO AS NOT TO HOLD UP THE DRIVE THROUGH. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEP, GO AHEAD. I, I, I SEE YOUR COMBINING THE TWO CURB CUTS INTO ONE. SURE. BUT I DON'T SEE THE ADVANTAGE. I MEAN, THE WAY YOU HAVE THIS SET UP, ONCE THE CAR GETS HIS FOOD, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A HARD LEFT TURN, GO OVER A CROSSWALK, THEN MAKE A HARD RIGHT TURN TO GET OUT. UM, IF YOU JUST HAD ANOTHER CURB CUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IN LINE WITH THOSE DEPARTING CARS, IT SEEMS A LOT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. SO WHY DID YOU DECIDE ON ONE CURB CUT, WHICH REQUIRES THIS JIGGY JAGGY WAY TO GET OUT? SURE. UM, WELL, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH DOT, UM, THEY GREATLY PREFER TO LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF CURB CUTS AND, AND ALSO, BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO CURB CUTS. CORRECT? SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING DOT FOR ANYTHING. CORRECT. BUT IT WOULD FUNCTION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE SOME PATRONS LEAVING THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY. YOU'D HAVE OTHER PATRONS ENTERING THE NEXT DRIVEWAY AND YOU'D HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. AND IT'S NOT A DESIRABLE CONFIGURATION FOR FROM DOT'S PERSPECTIVE. UM, SECONDLY, JUST FROM A SITE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE, UM, WE DO NEED A PARKING VARIANCE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AS WE HAVE. UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE, IF WE DID PURSUE ANOTHER CURB CUT, MAYBE EXIT ONLY, WE'D STILL HAVE A RECIRCULATION LANE. IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN. SO, UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE PRIMARY REASON WHY, WHY WE DID THAT HAS, I'M SORRY. YEAH. HAS DOT ISSUED ANY FORMAL COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSAL? SORRY. THANK YOU. YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO THE, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO THIS. 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S MORE PRESENTATION THAN OTHER QUESTIONS. SO, UM, MARK PETRO FROM JMC, UH, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF I DEAL WITH NEW YORK STATE DOT ON A REGULAR BASIS, BASICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN. UM, SO WE DID RECEIVE, I GUESS THROUGH MATT, UM, THAT I GUESS THE, UH, THE DOT DID RESPOND, AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGING THE RECEIPT OF THE PRIOR SUBMISSION, UH, FROM THE TOWN, BASICALLY JUST SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO WAIT TO SEE OUR RESPONSE TO THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULT AND ENGINEER'S COMMENTS. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, WE'VE RESPONDED TO, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S, UH, COMMENTS. I BELIEVE THERE WAS TWO LETTERS THAT HE ISSUED. UM, AND WE'VE RESPONDED, AND ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY, UH, WITH HIS LAST, UH, REVIEW, HE DID SUGGEST THAT WE AT LEAST INITIATE THE STAGE ONE PROCESS. IT'S A, IT'S A THREE STAGE PROCESS FOR THE HIGHWAY WAR PERMIT WITH THE STATE, UM, TO AT LEAST INITIATE THE STAGE ONE PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET SOME INITIAL REVIEW FROM THE STATE. SO JUST SO THE BOARD'S AWARE, WE DID SEND THEM THE REVISED MATERIALS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HERE, UH, RECENTLY WITHIN THE WEEK, UH, JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK OR END OF LAST WEEK BASICALLY, IS WHEN IT WENT INTO DOT TO START THAT STAGE ONE PROCESS. AND BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, HOW LONG DOES DOT TAKE TO COMMENT ON THAT STAGE ONE? I MEAN, IS IT A MONTH, MONTH LONG PROCESS? UH, OR IS IT, IT VARIES. UM, BUT I WILL SAY THEY TRY TO SET A GOAL OF A MONTH OR TWO MONTH. UM, BUT I TRY TO FOLLOW UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO PUSH THINGS ALONG TO TRY TO GET SOME RESPONSE FROM THEM. BUT, UH, THAT'S THEIR GOAL AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIMES. BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS ACHIEVABLE SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON THE APPLICATION. UM, BUT AS FAR AS, SORRY, AM I TOO CLOSE? NO, YOU'RE, NO, I'M SORRY. VOLUME OF APPLICATIONS THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING. OH, . OH, PARDON ME. I CAN TALK SOFTER IF YOU WANT. . UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE ACCESS, UH, NEW YORK STATE DOT, JUST AS A GENERAL RULE ACROSS ALL BOARDS, WHETHER IT'S EXISTING THERE OR NOT, THEY TRY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS WHEREVER THEY CAN, JUST IN VARIOUS ASPECTS. UH, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMETHING DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY, THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THAT REMAIN, BUT, UM, CONSOLIDATING INTO ONE ACCESS, CURB CUT LOCATION IS AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENT FROM A DOT'S PERSPECTIVE. BUT ALSO YOU ARE PRI PROVIDING A, UH, A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT FOR PEDESTRIANS THERE TOO. INSTEAD OF CROSSING TWO DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY JUST CROSSING THE ONE. SO THERE'S LESS OF A VE A VEHICLE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT IN THAT SITUATION AS WELL. MM-HMM . UM, SO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CLARITY TO [01:00:01] YOU AS WELL WHILE YOU'RE ROCKING, WHILE IT'S TEMPORAL TO, UH, MICHAEL'S QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT THE JIG? JACK ? I HEARD THE TECHNICAL TERM CORRECTLY. UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE LOOKED AT THIS AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A COMMENT, I BELIEVE OF JOHN'S, UH, UH, YOUR CONSULTANT, UH, AS WELL. BUT WE DID, UH, LOOK AT THIS AND WE BELIEVE IT'S SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE, THE TURN IN THIS MANEUVER. OBVIOUSLY WE JUST AS, UH, ACCOMMODATING PASSENGER VEHICLES IN HERE. WE'RE NOT EXPECTING LARGE VEHICLES TO MAKE THAT SPECIFIC TURN. UM, BUT THIS IS, UH, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK? WHAT YOU, WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING LARGE VEHICLES TO MAKE THAT TURN THROUGH, THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH TO MAKE THAT TURN THAT SPECIFICALLY THAT. SO WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER LARGE A LARGE VEHICLE, A PASSENGER VEHICLE. SO, OKAY, SO THE UPS GUY CAN'T COME DRIVE THROUGH FOR HIS LUNCH, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT, IT'S PASSENGER VEHICLE AND DELIVERIES AS WELL. WELL, DELIVERIES IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT AND PAUL CAN SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE A TRUCK TURNING ANALYSIS OF THAT ASPECT OF THINGS, BUT PASSENGER VEHICLES CAN LIKE BIG SUVS. YEP. ALRIGHT, BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING SPACES. SURE. SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS SITE LAYOUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY WE COUNTED, WHICH IS IN BRIARCLIFF MANOR. UM, SO THE, THE ASPECTS OF THE LAYOUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS TO LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS A SIMILAR SITE LAYOUT. WELL, YEAH, I DID SEE YOU GAVE US BRIARCLIFF MANOR, COURTLAND, MOHEGAN AND CARMEL, I BELIEVE. YEP. THOSE ARE ALL, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION REGARDING THAT, 'CAUSE THIS IS CENTRAL AVENUE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CONSIDER THOSE NOT COMPARABLE IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT, BUT INCOMPARABLE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF, UH, CUSTOMERS REALLY, UH, I WAS GONNA GET INTO THAT A LITTLE LATER ON, BUT, UM, YES IS THE SHORT ANSWER AS FAR AS JUST WE HAVE A, A TABLE THAT COMPARES ALL OF THEM AS FAR AS DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF SEATING, THE BUILDING SIZE AND THE ADJACENT STREET TRAFFIC ON THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS AS WELL AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET, UH, PAUL CONTINUE WITH THE SITE ASPECTS OF THINGS. ONE LAST THING SINCE WE WERE DISCUSSING DOT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAD AN, AN INITIAL PRELIMINARY COMMENT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO RESTRICT FULL MOVEMENT INTO OR OUT OF THE SITE. THEY JUST MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, I DON'T HAVE THEIR COMMENT, BUT THEY MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS. SO JUST WANTED, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OF THE ACCESS AND STUFF WITHIN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE SINCE IT IS THEIR ROADWAY THERE. SO THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THEIR REVIEW. OH, I MARK YOU GONNA SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE TO THE EXTENT THAT AARON'S ASKING, IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION, LEFTS HIM LEFT OUT. IS THAT WHY, WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK TO IT? SURE. SO, UH, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON THAT, UM, IT GETS INTO THE TRAFFIC STUDY ASPECT OF THINGS, BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, OBVIOUSLY IT, IT SHOWS THAT THE DRIVEWAY CAN FUNCTION AS FAR AS UH, UH, OPERATIONALLY. BUT, UM, WE INTEND TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT, UH, YOU KNOW, ATTORNEY MOVEMENTS AT THE EXISTING SITE AT THIS ONE LOCATION INSTEAD, JUST LIKE MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, LOCATIONS ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE, THERE'S NOT, UH, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF MANY OFF THE HAND, BUT THERE IS MANY ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE THAT ARE FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAYS CURRENTLY, UM, ALONG THE STRETCH, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING. SO WE WOULD TRY TO KEEP THAT IN, UH, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE MAINTAINING THAT, THAT, UH, ATTORNEY MOVEMENTS, UH, TO KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER OF WHAT'S ALREADY ON CENTRAL AVENUE. AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOUR BOARD RAISE ALL OF THESE ISSUES WITH MR. CANNING, THE JIG JAG ABSOLUTELY. THE LEFT RESTRICTION AND THE SINGLE, UM, CURB CUT BECAUSE I THINK HE SHOULD SPEAK TO ALL OF THAT. MM-HMM . AND I HAVE, AND HE WILL. I KNOW AND I WANT THAT PART OF THE RECORD 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S ON TIME. HE IS. ALRIGHT, I WILL LET PAUL CONTINUE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD, JUST ABOUT THE SITE LAYOUT. UM, COUPLE THINGS WE DID. ESSENTIALLY THE BUILDING IS CITED IN ALMOST THE SAME POSITION AS THE EXISTING BUILDING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WE SHIFTED THE BUILDING FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, UH, OF THE PROPERTY JUST TO MAKE ROOM FOR A FULL TWO-WAY ACCESS DRIVE AND 90 DEGREE PARKING AND A SIDEWALK, WHICH AGAIN, WE FEEL IS A, IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT. UM, THE NEXT, NEXT EXHIBIT THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS A, UM, A, UH, OVERLAY OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN ON AN EXISTING AERIAL. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE, UH, EXISTING EDGE OF PAVEMENT IN BLUE, UH, WHICH I'M SHOWING WITH MY CURSOR. UM, COUPLE THINGS TO NOTE. UM, ONE THING RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE ARE, UH, PUSHING THE SITE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TOWARD THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING A NEW RETAINING WALL IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THE, UH, WE'RE DOING SO REALLY JUST TO MAKE ROOM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FOR, TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING AND TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRIVE THROUGH. [01:05:01] UM, THE RETAINING WALL IS NOT EXCESSIVELY HIGH. I THINK IT'S SIX FEET AT ITS TALLEST POINT. WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE UP A LOT OF THAT GREAT CHANGE JUST WITH THE RUN TO THE BACK OF THE SITE. UM, ALSO, UH, JUST POINTING OUT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WORKED WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING EDGE OF PAVEMENT FOR THE MOST PART IN SOME AREAS AGAINST THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. UH, WE ARE PULLING THAT PAVEMENT EDGE BACK A LITTLE BIT AND EXPANDING THE, THE BUFFER. UM, UH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE, UM, MAINTAINING THAT EXISTING BUFFER. AND, UM, OVERALL LOOKING AT GREEN SPACE, UH, WE ARE, UH, REDUCING THE NET IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO THERE'S A NET REDUCTION OF ABOUT 750 SQUARE FEET ON THE PROPERTY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE INCREASING THE GREEN SPACE. UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS AREA FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT, WE, WE WON'T BE PROPOSING ANY, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, STORAGE OR, OR, UM, DETENTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, WE WILL BE COLLECTING ALL THE STORM WATER AND, UH, FULLY TREATING IT FOR WATER QUALITY BEFORE WE DISCHARGE TO CENTRAL AVENUE. I'M SORRY, JUST SO, SO YOU SAY YOU'RE INCREASING OR DECREASING BECAUSE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, RIGHT? YOU, YOUR VARIANCE IS FOR AN INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS. RIGHT. SO WE DO, AND I WAS GONNA GET TO THE VARIANCES. WE ARE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE MM-HMM . PER, UH, PER THE ZONING REQUIREMENT, WE ARE STILL OVER THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, BUT IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, SO UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO IN THIS ZONE, IN THE CA DISTRICT, YOU'RE PERMITTED 60% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS IT'S ABOUT 75%. UNDER PROPOSED CONDITIONS, WE'RE ABOUT 72%. SO IT'S, IT EQUATES TO A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 750 SQUARE FEET. ALRIGHT. UM, IN IMPERVIOUS AREA, YOU'RE UPSTREAM OF FOUR CORNERS, WHICH HAS FLOODING ISSUES, RIGHT? SURE. UM, THE CASE COMING OFF TO YOU, I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING PUTTING IN AND THEY'RE LIKE SORT OF ACROSS THE ROAD OR PROPOSING PUTTING IN 21 DRY WELLS TO HELP WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. SURE. BUT YOU, YOU, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE KEY DISTINCTION IS NEW DEVELOPMENT VERSUS REDEVELOPMENT. IT'S ALSO NEW DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, THIS IS REDEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT, THE SITE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EXISTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, JUST HYDROLOGIC CALCS BASED ON OUR COVERAGE, WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE VOLUME OF RUNOFF AND THE PEAK FLOW OF RUNOFF TO CENTRAL AVENUE. UM, JUST BY WAY OF REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. IT'S STILL IN EXCESS OF VARIANCE THOUGH. UH, YES. THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS STILL IN EXCESS OF THE ZONING CODE. YEAH. AND YOU'RE MAKING NO, YOU ARE PROPOSING THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE NO ACCOMMODATIONS TO SORT OF HELP WITH THE, RIGHT. SO WE'LL BE, I'M SORRY, WITH THE FLOODING IN THAT AREA. YEAH. SO WE WILL BE REDUCING THE VOLUME AND PEAK RATE RUNOFF TO CENTRAL AVENUE. SO JUST BY WAY OF REDUCING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THERE'S GONNA BE LESS STORMWATER RUNOFF DIRECTLY ENTERING THAT NETWORK, THAT CENTRAL AVENUE NETWORK. IS THAT QU STILL WATER MADE? UH, WE CAN AT THIS POINT YEAH, WE CAN FOR LIKE THE MULTI-YEAR STORM EVENTS. YEAH. YEAH, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN THIS CASE. SURE, SURE. YEAH. SO WE COULD PREPARE A CALCULATION SHOWING THAT SO THEM, I'M ASKING THEM, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE LESS I, I KNOW PROVIDE US WITH THE DATA, BUT I'M HAVING, I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME IN GENERAL WITH, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION AND BECAUSE OF THE KNOWN ISSUES AT THE FOUR CORNERS MM-HMM . THAT WE WOULDN'T WANNA CONSIDER MAKING SOME CONVERSATION TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, HELPING RIGHT. IS WELL, I THINK LET'S, SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY BRING IN SOME SORT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SURE. TO FURTHER ASSIST EVEN BEYOND THE REDUCTION IN UNDERSTOOD IMPERVIOUS IS SURE. EXPLORE THAT. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AARON, I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD SUGGESTION. WE'LL, WE'LL QUANTIFY THAT AND WE'LL STUDY IT. ABSOLUTELY. UH, OKAY. UM, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE VARIANCES. SURE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU TOUCH ON THE BUMP OUT TO THE REAR OR THE LEFT AND HOW THAT, UH, TRIGGERS THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT TREE REMOVAL, AND ALSO TO TOUCH ON WHERE THE BUFFER, WHERE THE WATERCOURSE IS OFFSITE AND WHERE THE BUFFER EXTENDS. SURE. SO JUST TOUCHING ON THE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE, UM, THERE IS, AND I CAN SWITCH TO, OOPS. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE, UM, A STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY TODAY. SO THERE IS, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, YOU SEE THE GRADE CLIMBS. THERE IS AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL IN THE BACK, AND THEN THERE'S A SLOPE THAT CONTINUES TO GO UP TO THE CEMETERY PROPERTY. UM, WE WILL BE, AS I SAID, JUST PUSHING THAT RETAINING WALL SLIGHTLY FURTHER BACK AND DISTURBING SOME OF THOSE SLOPES, UM, THAT ARE THERE BEHIND THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL. SO, UH, WE WILL NEED A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT FOR THAT. AND THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, TREE REMOVAL. I THINK IT'S, UH, [01:10:01] WE CAN QUANTIFY IT. I, UH, LET'S SEE. I THINK IT IS NINE. WE, OUR COUNTY NINE. YES. THAT SOUNDS THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. YEP. NINE REGULATED TREES, NINE REGULATED TREES THAT WILL BE BEING REMOVED. UM, WHICH HAS WHAT KIND OF IMPACT ON STORMWATER RETENTION. WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY STUDY THAT, AARON. WE COULD, I MEAN, WE WILL, WE CAN DO, AND THEY HAVE NEW LANDSCAPING PROPOSALS. YEAH. AND WE, WE WILL, WE CAN DO, WE'LL DO THE EYE TREE AND WHICH TAKES YEARS YEAH. AND ALL THAT STUFF, THEY HAVE TO DO THE EYE TREE ANALYSIS MM-HMM. DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER 360. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD YOUR PLANT, YOUR NEW TREE, IT'S FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT'S EFFECTIVE. MM-HMM . RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO, UH, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO HIT ON THE, UM, THE WATERCOURSE, UH, PART OF THIS. SO THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, OPEN CHANNEL STREAM AND HEAD WALL ON THE PET CEMETERY PROPERTY. IT'S A STREAM THAT, YOU KNOW, ENTERS A HEAD WALL AND CONTINUES TO FLOW SOUTH. UM, WE HAVE PLOTTED ON THE MAP, YOU KNOW, THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER FROM THAT. SO, UH, THE SITE DOES, YOU KNOW, KNOW, LIE WITHIN THIS A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER. AND WE WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSING DISTURBANCE WITHIN THAT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER. BUT AS I SAID, WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES PULLING AWAY FROM THAT BUFFER AND WE'RE REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. SO, BUT IT'S ALL ALREADY, UH, DISTURBED BUFFER OF THAT WATERCOURSE. IN FACT, YOU'LL BE GREENING IT UP A LITTLE BIT. SURE. YEP. THANK YOU. BACK. OKAY. JUST GOING BACK TO THAT PREVIOUS EXHIBIT. SO, UH, AS DAVID MENTIONED, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, WAIVERS AND VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD BE, UH, REQUESTING FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UM, THERE ARE FOUR WAIVERS THAT WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR BOARD TO CONSIDER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, THEY ALL PERTAIN TO LANDSCAPE BUFFERS. UM, SO, BUT THE FRONT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WE WOULD NEED A, UH, A WAIVER FOR THAT. UH, BECAUSE, UH, I BELIEVE 20 FEET IS REQUIRED. AND WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, AT THE SMALLEST POINT, A TWO FOOT BUFFER, UH, THE, THE BUFFER TO THE NORTH OF THE PLAN. UM, THAT IS A RE UH, 10 FEET. THERE'S 10 FEET REQUIRED FOR THAT BUFFER. I BELIEVE THERE'S, I THINK IT'S ONLY LIKE SIX INCHES NOW. AND WE'RE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, TWO FEET AT THE NARROWEST POINT. BUT IT, IT FLARES OUT. UM, AS YOU MOVE INTO THE SITE, UH, THE BUFFER TO THE SOUTH, UH, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY MAINTAINING THAT BUFFER AND WE'RE, UM, GONNA BE PLANTING SCREENING PLANTINGS THERE AS WELL. UH, AND THEN THE, THE LAST WAIVER IS FOR, UM, UH, THE LANDSCAPED ISLANDS IN THE PARKING LOT. I THINK, UH, WE REQUIRE ONE LANDSCAPED ISLAND, BUT, UM, JUST WE WERE TRYING TO, AT THE DIRECTION OF STAFF AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND, UH, REDUCE OUR VARIANCE REQUESTS. SO, UM, FOR PARKING, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON SHORTLY, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T, UH, HAVE A LANDSCAPED ISLAND IN, IN THAT BAY OF PARKING. RIGHT. FOR, FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, THE CODE REQUIRES STATES THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN 15 SPACES IN A ROW WITHOUT A LANDSCAPE CURVED. RIGHT. THANK YOU, AARON. SO THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S REALLY THIS NORTHERN CORRECT, UH, ROW OF PARKING SPACES. UH, SO WITH REGARD TO THE, THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, EIGHT VARIANCES FOR THE PROJECT. AS DAVID ALLUDED TO, A NUMBER OF THESE ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES THAT WE FEEL WE'RE IMPROVING. UM, BUT I WILL JUST RUN THROUGH THE LIST FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE. UM, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, THAT IS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY. UH, WE NEED A VARIANCE. I THINK 12 FEET IS, UM, PERMITTED AND WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 15 FEET, UH, FOR THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. UH, THAT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, WE'RE ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY IMPROVING THAT. THE BUILDING'S GETTING SLIGHTLY SMALLER, UM, BASED ON THE, THE FAR THAT'S PERMITTED IN, IN THE DISTRICT FOR THIS USE, ONLY A 266 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WOULD BE PERMITTED BY THE ZONING CODE, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE. IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, BUT WE'RE IMPROVING SIDE YARD SETBACK IS A NEW VARIANCE THAT, UM, AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, WE SHIFTED THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH REALLY TO ORGANIZE AND PROVIDE FOR THE TWO A ACCESS AND PARKING, UH, FRONT PARKING SETBACK. WE ARE, UM, THERE WERE PARKING SPACES THAT WERE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING WITH MY CURSOR. BUT WE ARE PUSHING SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, UH, SIDE YARD PARKING SETBACK THAT [01:15:01] WE ARE IMPROVING THAT. THE CLOSEST POINT IS THE NORTH, UH, PRINCIPAL BUILDING PARKING SETBACK. UM, BECAUSE THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THE DRIVE THROUGH SPACES ARE COUNTED, UH, ARE, ARE TECHNICALLY PARKING SPACES IN THE EYES OF THE ZONING CODE. UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING THAT OUR SEPARATION TO PARKING SPACES IS ZERO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UH, AND THEN WITH, UH, REGARD TO PARKING, UM, 49 SPACES ARE REQUIRED, UH, PER THE ZONING CODE. WE'RE PROPOSING 24 PARKING SPACES, EIGHT QUEUING SPACES FOR A TOTAL OF 32 BEING PROVIDED PER ZONING. AND I WILL, UM, WE HAVE DATA TO, TO SUPPORT. YEP. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. YEAH. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, AND I SPOKE WITH THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR TODAY, BUT OUR INFORMATION INDICATES THAT THE PROPOSALS TO PROVIDE 31 SPACES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THE LAST, UH, SPACE IN THE QUEUE BECAUSE IT BLOCKS OR PAR COULD PARTIALLY BLOCK A PARKING SPACE. HAVE YOU HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? I, I DID, AND WE DID RESPOND TO THEIR COMMENT. UM, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, SIGN THAT PARKING SPACE AS AN EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACE SO THE APPLICANT COULD CONTROL ACCESS THERE. AND WE DON'T FEEL THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A CONFLICT WITH THE LAST CASE SPACE. OKAY. HOW MANY EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES ARE YOU ASSIGNING? UH, SO CURRENTLY WE, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING ONE SIGNED EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACE JUST IN THAT AREA. UM, PATEL, UH, OF KAI RESTAURANT GROUP. OUR, OUR CLIENT IS ON THE, ON ZOOM TOO. AND RAGO, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST SHARE HOW MANY MAXIMUM EMPLOYEES THERE WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE LARGEST SHIFT. YEP. UM, HELLO, UH, MY NAME IS RAGO PATEL. I'M ONE OF THE, UH, PARTNERS, UM, OF THE TACO BELL. AND, UH, TYPICALLY ON OUR BUSIEST SHIFT, UH, YOU CAN SAY BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT EMPLOYEES, UH, I WOULD, UH, PROJECT TO BE WORKING. THANK YOU, RAGGA. AND THAT IS SIMILAR TO YOUR, YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE STUDIED AS WELL? YEAH. OH, SORRY, MY PARTNER, MY PARTNER JUST MESSAGED ME. HE SAID IT'S ACTUALLY SIX. OKAY. SORRY. OKAY. WHEN DID THEY PARK? AND, AND SO DID I JUST HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE SIGNED EMPLOYEE PARKING SPOT, BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I READ IN THE MATERIAL THAT THE FOUR SPOTS, UM, WHERE, WHERE THE CURB CUT IS BEING CLOSED OFF, THAT WAS ALSO GONNA BE EMPLOYEE PARKING. WELL, I'M SORRY, CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO THE SIX EMPLOYEES? ONE SPACE, ONE DEDICATED, ONE SIGNED DEDICATED SPACE, ONE DEDICATED SIGN RESTRICTED. RIGHT. BUT DURING YOUR BUSY TIME, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION THAT THE OTHER, LET'S SAY EVEN IF TWO OF THEM ARE CARPOOLED, THAT THEY'LL BE USING SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN THAT LOT? YEAH. THE OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THE ZONING CASE, THEY'RE PERMITTED. YEAH. NO, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED. I'M JUST, SOME EMPLOYEES WILL USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUT ABSOLUTELY. SOME WILL, SOME WILL ABSOLUTELY BE PARKED THROUGHOUT THE LOT. AND, AND THE REASON THAT QUESTION IS COMING UP FOR ME IS BECAUSE THE PARK, THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE ON THEIR SHIFT, EIGHT HOURS, WHATEVER IT IS, THEIR CARS ARE GONNA BE STAYING THERE FOR A FEW HOURS. CORRECT. AND SO IT WOULD JUST, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME WHERE THEY WOULD PARK ON THE LOT MM-HMM . AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RUSH HOUR, I GET, YOU KNOW, LATE HOURS DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. SURE. OR NON RUSH HOURS, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT I KNOW THAT YOU CAN ONLY, YOU'RE ONLY DEDICATING ONE SPACE WITH THAT SIGN MM-HMM . BUT IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK WHEN I'M LOOKING AT HOW THE CARS ARE IN THE QUEUE, HOW THE CARS ARE COMING OUT OF THE QUEUE. SO THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON CENTRAL AVENUE MM-HMM . UM, THAT'S WHERE I GUESS I ALWAYS HAD, I WAS ALWAYS LOOKING AT, BECAUSE WHEN THE CARS ARE COMING OUT OF THE QUEUE, IF THOSE ARE JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING THERE EATING MM-HMM . THEY GO TO BACK UP, YOU'RE COMING OUT THE QUEUE. SURE. NOT TO MENTION THAT THE QUEUE HAVING TO COME OUT AND MAKE A RIGHT ONTO CENTRAL AVENUE, THEY MAY NOT IMMEDIATELY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT. RIGHT. MM-HMM . SO THEN YOU HAVE CARS BACKING UP. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT WAS, THOSE WERE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. AND JERRY, I THINK IT'S A, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE MAKING A SUGGESTION THAT WE ENTERTAIN, POSSIBLY ENCOURAGE THAT ENCOURAGING OR RESTRICTING THAT TO BE EMPLOYEE PARKING, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. WE'LL TAKE IT UP WITH OUR CLIENTS. AND WE, WE KNOW THAT THOSE FOREST PARKING SPACES ARE ONES THAT MIGHT BE MOST CONDUCIVE TO ALSO BE EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO GREAT SUGGESTION IF, AND WE WILL LOOK AT IT. RIGHT. AND JUST PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, IF, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE INTENDED TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND EAT IN THE LOT, THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GO AND PARK IN ANOTHER SPOT BACK TO THE MAIN LOT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON PARKING. SURE. ASIDE FROM THE EIGHT CARS IN THE QUEUE MM-HMM . HOW MANY [01:20:01] PARKING SPOTS DO YOU HAVE? 24. 24, OKAY. SO SAY YOU HAVE SIX EMPLOYEES THAT LEAVES YOU 18 FOR CUSTOMERS MM-HMM . HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS BASED ON YOUR OTHER TACO BELL COMPLIMENTS? DO YOU NEED? SURE. YEAH. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK VENTURA TO NEED TO RUN THROUGH THE, THE DATA. YEAH, YOU WANNA JUST BRING UP ANOTHER SLIDE? YEAH, THAT ONE. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT TABLE. IT'S IN OUR, OUR QUEUING AND OUR, OUR DRIVE, OUR DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING AND OUR PARKING ANALYSIS THAT WAS REVIEWED BY YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT. UM, SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS JUST A TABLE OF ALL THE FOUR DATA POINTS OF THE EXISTING TACO BELLS, AS WELL AS AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE THE PROPOSED GREENBERG LOCATION. SO YOU HAVE BRIARCLIFF MANOR ON THE TOP, UM, YOU HAVE CARMEL ON THE SECOND ROW, CORTLAND, AND THEN MOHEGAN LAKE OVER IN EACH COLUMN AS WE GO LEFT TO RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HOW IT COMPARES TO GREENBURG LOCATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, BEING MUCH SMALLER AND THE SMALLEST LOCATION OF ALL FOUR. UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE NUMBER OF SEATS IN THE NEXT COLUMN AS WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE VERSUS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION. THE NUMBER OF OFFSITE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES THAT'S PROVIDED AT EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS, AS WELL AS THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC ON THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS ADJACENT TO EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS, AS WELL AS THE MAXIMUM EMPLOYEES AT EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL. SO THIS IS JUST FURTHER DATA TO SHOW YOU THE COMPARABLES OF ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROPOSED APPLICATION HERE AT GREENBURG. SO, UM, AS, UH, IT WAS ALLUDED TO BASICALLY AN EARLIER PRESENTATION. WE DID DO A, A PARKING ANALYSIS AT THOSE FOUR EXISTING LOCATIONS. UH, WE COUNTED ON A FRIDAY, WHICH IS THEIR BUSIEST TIME, UH, FROM FOUR TO 8:00 PM AT ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS THAT YOU SEE THERE. UM, BASED ON THOSE PARKING COUNTS, UM, THE MAXIMUM OBSERVED, UH, DEMAND WAS ACTUALLY, UH, UH, I HAVE THIS IN THE OTHER TABLE. BUT ANYWAY, UH, SO THE SUPPLY, UH, IS ACTUALLY, SORRY, BETWEEN THE MAXIMUM DEMAND WAS BETWEEN SEVEN VEHICLES PARKED OR 15 DEPENDING ON WHICHEVER LOCATION IT IS. SO 15 WAS THE VERY, VERY MUCH THE HIGH AT EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS DURING OUR ACCOUNT. DOES THAT INCLUDE EMPLOYEE PARKING? YES. ALL CARS. ALL CARS HAVE A PARKED 15 WAS THE MAXIMUM OBSERVED AT ALL FOUR OF THOSE LOCATIONS. UM, I CAN ACTUALLY TRY TO TELL YOU WHAT THE LOCATION WAS. LET'S JUST STOP FOR A SECOND BECAUSE HERE'S MY QUESTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW, BUT IF IT'S SEVEN TO 15, INCLUDING EMPLOYEE, UM, AND GREENBERG IS GONNA BE YOUR SMALLEST STORE. SO PRESUMABLY IT'S LESS THAN 15, YOU HAVE 24. CORRECT. WHY DO YOU NEED 24? WELL, THIS, I DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW. OKAY. BUT THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE HOW ABOUT TAKING ONE OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS OR TWO OF THEM AND PUTTING IN A NICE TREE AND LANDSCAPING, AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THAT WAIVER FOR THE 15 PARKING SPOTS. THERE'LL BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. YOUR VARIANCE WON'T LOOK SO BAD. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT AND TAKE IT ON ADVISEMENT. PUTTING IN A COUPLE OF DRY WHEELS. I CAN, I JUST MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SIZE OF A STORE AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, LET'S SAY YOU HAD A VERY SMALL STORE IN A COLLEGE AREA THAT'S NOT COMPARABLE, YOU KNOW, COMPARABLE TO A SMALL STORE IN A SMALL TOWN WHERE THEY DON'T EAT A LOT OF TACO BELL. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT REALLY THE SIZE OF THE STORE THAT IT'S, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS YOU'RE GONNA GET. WELL, THAT'S WHY WE ALSO PROVIDED THE TRAFFIC ON THE GC DISPUTES AS WELL. NO, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALLER STORE. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS CUSTOMERS. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SURE. YEP. AND SO, UH, BUT A LOT OF THE, THE TRAFFIC DOES, A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR THESE PARTICULAR TYPE OF USES DO COME FROM ADJACENT STREET TRAFFIC THAT ARE NOT BRAND NEW TRIPS. THEY'RE PASSED BY TRAFFIC, IS WHAT WE CALL, AND THIS IS KIND OF GETTING INTO THE TRAFFIC STUDY A BIT. SO, UH, DIVEST FOR A LATER CONVERSATION, I GUESS. UM, SO, UH, THAT WAS REALLY IT FOR THE PARKING. I CAN GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL IF YOU WANT, BUT BASICALLY THE MAX, MAX OBSERVED QUEUE, UH, MAX OBSERVED PARKING WAS 15, WAS ACTUALLY AT THE CARMEL LOCATION, WAS WHERE THE 15 WAS LOCATED, UH, FOR MAXIMUM OBSERVED QUEUE, UH, SORRY, PARKING. SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO PARKING, WE DID DO QUEUING, UH, AT THOSE SAME LOCATIONS. AND BASICALLY WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT THE NINE, THE AVERAGE 95TH PERCENTILE [01:25:01] QUEUE, UH, WAS 3.5 VEHICLES AT THOSE DRIVE-THROUGH LOCATIONS. THERE, UH, THERE WAS AN OBSERVED MAXIMUM OF EIGHT VEHICLES AT THE CARMEL LOCATION ONLY, AND IT LASTED FOR TWO MINUTES. UM, THE MAXIMUM QUEUE AT THE OTHER LOCATIONS WORTH FIVE. UM, SO JUST GIVING YOU, JUST GIVING THAT INFORMATION, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IT'S ALL IN THIS, IN THIS PARK PARKING AND QUEUING ANALYSIS THAT WAS REVIEWED BY YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WHO, WHO CAN WEIGH IN ON, ON TELL THE BOARD FURTHER. BUT, UM, A LOT OF THE, THIS WAS ALL REVIEWED AND HE DID CONCUR, UH, WITH OUR FINDINGS AS WELL IN HIS LAST COMMENT LETTER. THAT AND REVIEWING THE PARKING AND THE TRA THE QING ANALYSIS. CAN WE HEAR FROM JIM? WE WILL NOT YET. I JUST WANTED, UH, I'LL PROVIDE JUST AN OVERALL SUMMARY OF THE TRAFFIC AND THEN WRAP UP. AND THIS WAY YOU CAN HAVE JOHN SPEAK, UH, TO THE BOARD. UM, SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, AND WE ANALYZED THE INTERSECTIONS OF CENTRAL AVENUE WITH HARTSDALE AVENUE, CENTRAL AVENUE WITH THE SITE DRIVEWAY, CENTRAL AVENUE WITH NORTH WASHINGTON. UH, WE ANALYZED THE WEEK PM HOURS, UH, ACTUALLY THE HOUR, WHICH OCCURRED FROM FIVE TO SIX. AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, ANALYZED THE PEAK SATURDAY MIDDAY HOUR, WHICH ACTUALLY OCCURRED FROM ONE TO TWO. UM, SO WE DID COUNTER THOSE INTERSECTIONS, ANALYZE THE EXISTING VOLUMES, FOUND OUT THE PEAK HOURS WE PROJECTED GROWTH TO THE FUTURE DESIGN YEAR. ON THOSE, WE INCORPORATED GENERAL, UH, CONSULTING WITH YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT. UH, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE HAD TO CONSIDER IN THIS STUDY, UM, AS UH, AND SO, UH, WE FOUND THAT BASE FUTURE CONDITION BASICALLY. AND ON, ON TOP OF THAT BASE FUTURE CONDITION, WE ADDED ON OUR, OUR PROJECTED TRAFFIC BASED ON ITE DATA OR INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS DATA, WHICH PROVIDES, UH, DATA ON, BASED ON SEVERAL, SEVERAL, SEVERAL STUDIES AT THIS TYPE OF LAND USE. SO BASED ON THOSE STUDIES, YOU CAN PROJECT OUT WHAT, WHAT TRAFFIC YOU COULD BE ANTICIPATING AT THE, THAT LAND USE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OR OTHER, UH, UH, VARIABLES. SO BASED ON ITE, UH, THE TOTAL TRIPS IN THE PM M HOUR WERE 56. THE TOTAL TRIPS ON A SATURDAY HOUR WERE 93. UM, AND AS MENTIONED, UH, UH, ALLUDED TO BEFORE, A LOT OF THESE, UH, LAND USES, UH, FOR FAST FOOD WITH DRIVE THROUGH, A LOT OF 'EM ARE NOT BRAND NEW TRIPS TO THE ROADWAY. A LOT OF 'EM ARE PASS BY TRIPS IS WHAT WE CALL 'EM. SO BASICALLY SOMEONE THAT PASSES BY THE SITE TYPICALLY, BUT WILL STOP OFF IN, OH, PARDON ME. PARDON ME? PARDON? PARDON. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WE'LL PASS BY THE SITE. UH, AND THEN ONCE THE PROJECT'S UP AND RUNNING AND OPERATING, UH, THEY WOULD COME INTO THE SITE, GET SOME FOOD, AND THEN BE ON THEIR WAY CONTINUING ON. SO I, THE WAY I USUALLY DO THE EXAMPLE IS ON YOUR WAY HOME FROM WORK, MAYBE YOU STOP OFF, GET MILK, AND THEN YOU KEEP ON GOING ON YOUR WAY. THAT'S, THAT'S A PASS BY TRIP. SO THESE, A LOT OF THESE LAND USES, YOU CAN SEE UP TO 50% PASS BY. SO THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE PROVIDED BEFORE OF 56 AND 93 TOTAL TRIPS, ABOUT 50% OF THOSE TRIPS ARE NOT BRAND NEW TRIPS. AND THEY'RE ALREADY ON CENTRAL AVENUE, AND THEY WOULD STOP IN THERE AS A PASS BY TRIP. UM, SO, UM, THAT'S ALL CONSIDERED IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY. AND THEN BASED ON THE FUTURE CONDITIONS WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE FUTURE CONDITIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE OPERATIONS AT THOSE STUDIED INTERSECTIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FROM A LEVEL SERVICE STANDPOINT, UH, AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE STUDIED. SO I JUST WANTED TO VERY GIVE A VERY GENERAL OVERVIEW. I'LL GIVE IT OVER TO JOHN TO GIVE THE BOARD FURTHER DISCUSSION POINTS, BUT JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU, UH, IN GENERAL. THAT'D BE HELPFUL. I, I HAVE JUST ONE COMMENT ON THE VARIANCES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID IT. UM, BUT YOU SHOULD DO A CHART WHICH SHOWS, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, COVERAGE, THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, THE REQUIRED MAXIMUM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE A NUMBER OF YOUR CHANGES ARE ADVANTAGEOUS MM-HMM . EVEN THOUGH THEY STILL NEED VARIANCES. SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE THAT COMPARISON IN SHORT FORM. GOT IT. SO, UH, WOULD IT BE THE BOARD'S PLEASURE TO HAVE MR. CANNING? YES. JUST SPEAK ABOUT HIS REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT? YES. HI, JOHN. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. AND BEFORE I FORGET, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MR. STEIN'S COMMENTS AND WISH YOU VERY WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE COMMUNITY FOR AS LONG AS YOU DID. THANK YOU, JOHN. YEAH. UM, SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S TEAM HAS INDICATED THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION. WE RELAYED TO THE, THE APPLICANT THAT THIS IS A TIGHT SITE, THAT, UH, YOUR BOARD IS VERY [01:30:01] THOROUGH IN THE WORK, UH, THAT YOU DO IN REVIEWING THESE THINGS, THESE APPLICATIONS. AND WE RECOMMENDED TO THEM THAT THEY DO EXTENSIVE SURVEYS AND STUDIES BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME HERE, SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE A, UH, UM, AS, AS THOROUGH A REPRESENTATION AS THEY COULD INITIALLY. UM, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE MATERIALS AS THEY INDICATED. THEY DID STUDIES AT FOUR OTHER FACILITIES. UM, THEY PROVIDED DATA ON THE, THE VOLUMES GOING BY THE SIZE OF THE STORE, UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PARKED. AND THEY DID NOT TAKE ANY CREDIT FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S A SMALLER SPOKE STORE. THEY JUST SAID IT'S SMALLER, BUT THEY SAID THE MAXIMUM PARKING WAS, UH, 15 IN THE FOUR FACILITY OF THE SURVEY AND PROVIDED THE SURVEY DATA. AND THEY SAID THAT'S THE MAXIMUM QUEUE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS EIGHT IN THE FOUR FACILITIES. AND SO WE USED THE HIGHEST OF THE NUMBERS, NOT THE AVERAGE. UM, THAT SAID, IT IS STILL A TIGHT SITE. AND, UM, I THINK THE, THE QUESTION REGARDING TWO DRIVEWAYS IS A VERY GOOD ONE, WHICH IS WHY I'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING THEM TO GET INPUT FROM DOT. UM, IF YOU TAKE A CONSIDERATION OF THE SITE AS IT IS TODAY, IT HAS TWO DRIVEWAYS IN PRINCIPLE. THE NORTH DRIVEWAY OR THE DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT AS YOU LOOK AT IT, IS THE ENTRANCE AND THE DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT IS THE EXIT. BUT THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO CLEARLY INDICATE THAT THERE IS A SIGN IN THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO DRIVEWAYS BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, WHICH IS MORE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ISLAND THAT SAYS ENTER. AND IT SAYS ENTER ON BOTH SIDES WITH AN ARROW IN. SO YOU COULD INTERPRET IT HOWEVER YOU WANTED TO SEE FIT. UM, THE SITE RIGHT NOW IS MOSTLY ALL PAVED WITH THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, TO PUT IN A DRIVE THROUGH AND TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR, AS, AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS THEY CAN TO MINIMIZE THEIR VARIANCE. AND WHAT THAT ENDS UP DOING IS IT CLOSES DOWN THE SITE MORE THAN WHEN IT'S A HONEY BAIT TAB BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH AROUND THE BACK. AND SO WHEN YOU GO TO DOT, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, DRIVEWAY AND THIS SITE, AND THEY, WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO IS CONSOLIDATE ACCESS. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE, AN IN ONLY, AND AN EXIT ONLY CLEAR CLEARLY DEMARCATED OR A SINGLE COMBINED DRIVEWAY. THAT'S TYPICALLY THE STANDARD. AND THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO LOCATE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE. UH, I WOULD SAY PRIMARILY BECAUSE, UM, THEY HAVE BOX TRUCKS THAT COME TO DELIVER THEIR PRODUCE IN THE OFF HOURS. AND THOSE BOX TRUCKS CAN DRIVE IN AND THEY CAN TURN AROUND IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT THEY CANNOT TURN AROUND THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO WHEN THEY COME OUT, IF YOU HAD AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT, KIND OF LIKE WHATEVER IT IS NOW, YOU'D HAVE THE BOX TRUCKS DOING THE ZIGZAG TO GET OUT. UH, ALSO YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO PARK, THE CUSTOMERS WHO PARK DOING THE ZIG I TO GET OUT. SO IT IS, IT'S SORT OF, THERE'S NO IDEAL SOLUTION. UH, WE RUN VEHICLE TURNING TABLETS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT CAN BE DONE, UH, AND WE NEED TO GET INPUT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO CONFIRM WHAT THEY WILL OR WILL NOT ALLOW. ULTIMATELY, IT'S LIKELY THAT THEY WILL ALLOW ACCESS BECAUSE, UM, YOU HAVE A PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO ACCESS. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMPELLING RECIPROCAL AGREEMENTS THAT MAKE YOU GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE, THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO. AND FRANKLY, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE ARE NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD, AND THEY MAY NOT BE INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINING SUCH A REQUEST. UM, AS, AS THEY HAVE INDICATED AND AS WE'VE CONCURRED, THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED SUGGESTS THAT THE SITE HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED USE. HOWEVER, UH, I HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY HAVE AGREED THAT IF THEY RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD, THEY WOULD CONSENT TO A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A MANAGEMENT PLAN IN, IF THERE IS AN INSTANCE THAT, UM, ACTIVITY AT THE SITE EXCEEDS THE DATA THAT THEY PROJECTED. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, SENDING STAFF MEMBERS WITH TABLETS OUT TO TAKE ORDERS. SO YOU COULD REDUCE THE WAIT TIME DIRECTING CUSTOMERS IF THE DRIVE THROUGH IS FILLING UP TO PARK AND HAVE THEIR BORDER BROUGHT A TO THEM AND SUCH LIGHT. SO, UM, AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER THAT ARE LISTED IN THE RESPONSE FROM, FROM UH, JMC. SO WE WOULD [01:35:01] RECOMMEND THAT IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THAT THEY, THAT THEY BE REQUIRED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO IMPLEMENT THOSE MEASURES IF THEY'RE NEEDED. AS I SAID, THE DATA INDICATES THEY WON'T BE NEEDED, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT SHORT AND HAVE A PROBLEM OUT THERE WITHOUT AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION THAT, UM, SO THAT'S MOST OF IT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, UH, UP AND DOWN THE STREET, UH, MARK IS CORRECT THAT A LOT OF THIS ACTIVITY, NOT ALL OF IT, PROBABLY ABOUT HALF OF IT IS PASSED BY. SO YOU'D BE ON YOUR WAY HOME ANYWAY AND NOT STOP IN AND GET SOMETHING FROM TACO BELL. AND IT'S A RELATIVELY MODEST NUMBER WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE THOUSAND OF VEHICLES THAT PASSED THROUGH THE SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH. SO THE ADDED TRAFFIC THERE, AND REALLY IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF AN EXISTING USE, IT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC, IS NOT GOING TO DRAMATICALLY CHANGE OPERATING CONDITIONS ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE. THEY PROVIDED THE STUDY THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE CHANGE WAS ON THE ORDER OF A FEW SECONDS, AND THEY PROVIDED AN ANALYSIS OF THE DRIVEWAY. UH, AND IT IS OFTEN QUITE DIFFICULT TO MAKE A, A TURNOUT ONTO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, BUT THE ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT, UM, THAT THIS PROPOSED ACTION HAS, UH, OR IT DOESN'T GENERATE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE A TURN, LEFT TURN OR RIGHT TURN AT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE TRAFFIC IN A NUTSHELL, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CANNING? THE BOARD AGAIN? UH, JOHN, I DID ACTUALLY HAVE ONE. SO I KNOW YOU RECENTLY GOT THE, UH, A RESPONSE OR THE LATEST RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT. UH, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY REVIEWED THAT. I KNOW ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT THEY CONSIDER BUMPING THE WALL FURTHER INTO THE REAR TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE WIGGLE ROOM IN THAT DRIVE THROUGH AND THE CURVATURE OF IT. UM, YES. JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE GET YOUR LATEST REPORT, WE WILL FORWARD IT OFF TO THE APPLICANT. WE WILL ALSO FORWARD IT OFF TO, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS. UM, I JUST, SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT PROCEDURALLY, JUST SO THE BOARD IS AWARE, AND YOU MAY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER JOHN OR THE APPLICANT, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE. BUT FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UH, THE ONLY THING STAFF WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS EVENING IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS TO SEEK TO, UH, DECLARE ITS INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY FOR THE SEEKER ROOF. OKAY. BUT I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD. SO YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, FROM THE TACO BELL TO THE TACO BELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ANTICIPATE WILL BE FROM JUST DRIVERS DRIVING DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ALREADY IS A, A TACO BELL ON CENTRAL AVENUE, I THINK FURTHER DOWN INTO YONKERS MM-HMM . MM-HMM . UH, IS ANY DATA AVAILABLE FOR THAT TACO BELL, OR IS ANY DATA FROM THAT TACO BELL BEEN CONSIDERED IN THIS PLAN? SO WE, WE DIDN'T STUDY THAT LOCATION FOR A COUPLE REASONS. UM, IT'S A BIGGER STORE, THE VOLUME ON THE ROADWAYS A LOT HIGHER, BUT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT LOCATION AND PROVIDE THE SAME DATA POINTS FOR, FOR THAT TACO BELL. YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE APPRECIATED. YEAH. UM, AND THEN I, I NOTICED ON ONE OF THE OTHER SITE PLANS, THE, THE TRUCK RADIUS, IT, IT LOOKED LIKE THE TRUCK, UM, WAS, WAS ENCROACHING ON TO THE, TO THE HANDICAP SPOT WHEN IT WAS SERVICING THE, THE REFUGE. UM, COULD YOU JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT PLAN AND, AND HOW, HOW, HOW YOU ANTICIPATE THAT'LL WORK? SURE. UH, LEMME JUST PULL THAT PLAN UP AND, UH, RAAGA, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UM, SO ALL THE, UM, TRASH PICKUP IS GONNA OCCUR OFF HOURS, TYPICALLY VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING. AND THAT'S STIPULATED AS PART OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE CARRIER. UH, SO PRIVATE CARRIER, CORRECT. YEP. PRIVATE CARRIER. SO THEY'LL COME VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING BEFORE ANYBODY'S THERE DO THE TRASH PICKUP. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE USING THE SPACES FOR THE MANEUVERING, BUT, UM, NOBODY WILL BE THERE. SO, AND, AND SO I I I, I READ IN THE MATERIALS THAT, UM, I I, I, I THINK WHAT IT SAID WAS YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE TO OFFER BREAKFAST UNLESS REQUIRED BY, BY CORPORATE. LIKE HOW, HOW EXACTLY WILL THAT WORK? AND, AND IF WE APPROVE IT NOW, IF WE WERE TO PROVE IT IN THE FUTURE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT BREAKFAST WOULDN'T BE PROVIDED, AND THEN CORPORATE COMES DOWN AND SAYS, YOU MUST OFFER BREAKFAST. SURE. HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT? SURE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT OPERATES FOR OTHER TACO BELL LOCATIONS IN THE AREA. UM, ONLY ONE OF THOSE CURRENTLY IS STILL SERVING BREAKFAST AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEING PHASED OUT JUST BECAUSE REALLY THE VOLUME OF CUSTOMERS DOESN'T JUSTIFY KEEPING IT. UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE BREAKFAST SERVICE HERE, UH, IN THE APPROVAL ONLY BECAUSE AS YOU, [01:40:01] AS YOU SAID, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF THE BRAND COMES DOWN, UM, THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED, ALL FRANCHISEES NEED TO HAVE BREAKFAST, THEN THEY, THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPTION FOR IT. AND THE, AGAIN, THE, THE VOLUME IS VERY, VERY LOW OF CUSTOMERS THAT, THAT, THAT COME FOR BREAKFAST. SO, AND, AND SO FOR THE, THE ONE TACO BELL OWNED BY THE OWNER WHO OFFERS BREAKFAST, WHEN DO THEY OPEN, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 7:00 AM RAGA, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, 8:00 AM 8:00 AM OKAY. 8:00 AM. AND, AND SO ASSUMING THEY HAVE A, A PRIVATE, UH, GARBAGE PICKUP FOR THAT SITE MM-HMM . WHEN, WHEN DOES GARBAGE GET PICKED UP ON THAT SITE? RGA, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? I THINK IT'S, UH, IT, IT VARIES, UH, FROM, FROM STORE TO STORE, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT, EARLY MORNING, 3:00 AM 4:00 AM BUT WE, WE CAN DICTATE THAT WITH THE CARRIER. WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT VOLUNTARILY AS A CONDITION IF WE WERE TO SERVE BREAKFAST TRASH PICKUP, CANNOT COMPETE WITH THE BREAKFAST STAFF. OKAY. UM, TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, SO NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, BUT ALSO EMPLOYEES ACCESSING THE WASTE. UM, ARE THEY ABLE TO ACCESS THE WASTE OTHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE A DA SPACES? ARE THEY ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DROP OFF CARD? THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, EXTRA ROOM BEYOND THE CURB, BUT WE CAN INCORPORATE LIKE A SMALLER DOOR OR AN ACCESS FOR THAT. WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SPEAKING TO, UM, SINCE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE PRIVATE TRASH PICKUP, YOU DO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH. SO 3:00 AM MAY NOT BE EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TIME FOR THE BACKING UP OF THE TRUCK. SO WE MAY PIN DOWN A, A NARROWER TIME. MAKES TOTAL SENSE. THANK YOU. YEAH, DEFINITELY. WE, WE, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM. THAT'S SOMETHING LATER, BUT EARLIER WHEN WE OPEN, IT'S THE SAME, NOT JUST GARBAGE. RIGHT. IT'S THE SAME AS THE DELIVERIES OF THE, LIKE THE SUPPLIES. YEAH. DON'T ANNOY THE APARTMENT GUYS. IS, AND SPEAKING TO THE NOISE IN THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, IS THERE ANY SOUND ATTENUATION, PROPOSAL, FENCING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, TO ASSIST OR VEGETATION? RIGHT. SO WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, A ROW OF EVERGREEN PLANTINGS ALONG THE SOUTH, SOUTH BUFFER THERE AGAINST THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE. UM, WHAT SPECIES AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE TYPICAL MATURE SIZE THAT THEY WOULD YEAH, I CAN, UH, I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. THERE ARE CERTAIN SPECIES THAT GROW TALLER OVER TIME AND PROVIDE SURE. ADDITIONAL BENEFITS. SURE. SO YEAH, WE COULD COORDINATE ON THAT. AARON, QUICKER IS GONNA BE PREFERABLE, RIGHT? FOR THE, I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, GREEN GIANT ORES, THEY GROW SUPER FAST. THEY TOP OUT AT 30 OR 40 FEET. IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT A HANDFUL IN THE PARKING LOT ON YOUR WAY OUT. SURE. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, A, LIKE A KILOMETER JUNIPER EVERGREEN, BUT WE COULD COORDINATE ON, ON A SPECIES FOR THAT. OKAY. AND, AND SORRY, QUICKLY, IT WAS GOING BACK TO HOURS. SO YOU SAID YOU TYPICALLY OPEN AT 8:00 AM UM, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A ANTICIPATED CLOSE TIME FOR THE SITE, MA'AM? SO THAT WOULD BE FOR BREAKFAST, RIGHT? THOUGH? 2:00 AM UH, OUR CLOSING IS BASED PRIMARILY ON, UM, THE NEEDS OF THE BUSINESS. SO TYPICALLY ON WEEKDAYS, BUT NOT ALWAYS, BUT, UH, WE UH, CLOSE AT ABOUT MIDNIGHT AND THEN ON BUSIER DAYS, WE SOMETIMES STAY OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM OR 3:00 AM ON SATURDAYS WHEN, WHEN IT, WHICH IS OUR BUSIEST NIGHT. SO AARON, I'M SORRY, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING. 'CAUSE YOU, I MEAN THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT, IS GONNA BE FROM THE APARTMENT BUILDING ALONGSIDE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SAYING WE'RE PUTTING UP SOME TREES THAT'LL TAKE A FEW YEARS TO GROW WILL HELP YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OURS. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT MM-HMM . BOTH BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD AND BEFORE THE COURT. I KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE TO THE APARTMENT BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE SOUND BARRIER. SOMETHING TO BE LOOKED AT. IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE BY FORMER BOARD MEMBER WALTER SIMON, ABOUT A YEAR OR NINE MONTHS AGO. SO SOMETHING TO TAKE FURTHER INTO CONSIDERATION. SURE. YEAH. PROCEDURALLY, AARON, I THINK HE WOULD HOPE THAT THE BOARD WOULD DECLARE ITS INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY, ESPECIALLY. 'CAUSE WE DO KNOW WE HAVE BOTH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD INVOLVED. UM, I THINK WE, OUR TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT EMPLOYEE PARKING, THE POSSIBILITY OF LAND BANK PARKING, THE SOUND ATTENUATION ISSUE, UM, RECONSIDERATION OF THE, THE SINGLE [01:45:01] VERSUS THE DOUBLE ENTRANCE. BUT I, I THINK YOU HEAR WHY WE BELIEVE THE SINGLE WORKS. AM I MISSING ANYTHING ELSE? RECORDING ACCESS TO THE GARBAGE, RIGHT. AND THE GARBAGE AND THE, AND THE HANDICAPPED ISSUE THAT, UH, AMANDA JUST RAISED. SO WE'VE GOT SOME HOMEWORK TO DO. OH, AND THE OTHER CENTRAL AVENUE WATER WAS YONKERS. YEAH. THE YONKERS DATA. AND, AND I, I, JOHN MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE YONKERS DATA. UM, I, I'LL DEFER TO TO JOHN CANNING, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT. WE ACTUALLY, AS, AS PAUL SAID, WE CONSCIOUSLY DIDN'T USE IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD COMP. WE ACTUALLY THINK IT HELPS US, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO USE IT. ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD THAT I THINK WOULD BENEFIT THE BOARD, AND YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS, SO YOU CAN STATE THAT IF YOU DID. BUT WITH RESPECT TO MR. CANNINGS SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS OF, UH, A MANAGEMENT PLAN AND OTHER CONDITIONS THAT HE SUGGESTED, IF THOSE COULD BE SUMMARIZED AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, AGREED TO, YOU KNOW, OR A FORM OF THEM, THAT'S FINE. ARE WE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO HIM BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? GREAT. YEAH, YOU CAN. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYBODY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MANAGEMENT PLAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OLD, LIKE IF THERE'S TOO MUCH, UM, HEALING THERE WAS ABOUT GOING OUT THERE WITH THE, THE IPADS AND TAKING, AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT WAS THE EXAMPLE FOR ABOUT OPENING AND I GUESS OPENING WITH THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN. IT'D BE HELP, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE RUNNING WITH ONLY A STAFF OF FIVE AND, AND THIS IS WHEN YOU'RE AT THE HIGHEST DEMAND, HOW, HOW YOU WOULD PEEL OFF AN EMPLOYEE TO DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE DEMAND INSIDE THE STORE. GOT IT. INDEFINITELY. UNDERSTOOD. SO I ALSO WANT TO ASK ABOUT LIGHTING. 'CAUSE IT HAS THE SAME ISSUE AS NOISE, YOU KNOW, IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING, DARK SKY. SURE. YEAH. SO, UH, WE DID SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEMONSTRATING THAT THERE'S REALLY NO LIGHTS SPILLAGE OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. EVERYTHING IS DOWNWARD DIRECTED AND SHIELDED. AND THE, UM, THE THROW DISTRIBUTIONS ON THE LIGHTS ARE ALL, UH, IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE, UM, IS THERE A PHOTO METRICS YOU CAN SHARE? YES. YES. JUST SO THAT, AND FOR BENEFIT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. SURE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK HAVING ANOTHER VISUAL WAY OF SHOWING THAT FOR PUBLIC HEARING WILL HELP YOU. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? THE OTHER, UH, LOCATIONS MM-HMM . WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE PROPERTIES COMPARED TO THIS ONE? UH, THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTIES? UH, WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS MR. CANNING SAID, I MEAN THE ONE THING THAT ALWAYS STRIKES ME WHEN I LOOK AT THIS IS HOW TIGHT THIS SIZE IS. YEAH. YEAH. B BRIARCLIFF THE SITE AND BRYER IS, SEEMS TO BE SUCH A POTENTIAL FOR THINGS GETTING, YOU KNOW, CLOGGED. SURE. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS DYLAN WAS SAYING, WHEN IT GETS REALLY BUSY AND YOU START TAKING EMPLOYEES ON A MANAGEMENT PLAN OUT OF THE RESTAURANT, YOU'RE SLOWING EVERYTHING DOWN AND ADDING TO THE BACKUP IN SOME WAYS. RIGHT? SURE. SO THE BREYER CLIFF SITE THAT WE STUDIED, IT'S UH, RIGHT ON, UM, ON ROUTE NINE THERE. IT'S VERY COMPARABLE WITH REGARD TO THE PROPERTY SIZE AND THE, THE LAYOUT AND THE GEOMETRY AND THE PARKING SPACES. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'D INVITE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IF YOU WANNA VISIT. UM, NOT SURE IF YOU LIKE TACOS, BUT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON. THE SITE OPERATES VERY WELL. IT'S ONE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, RAO'S, UM, BEST SITES. SO IF, IF, IF WE WERE TO DO A SITE VISIT, THAT'D BE THE ONE YOU WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONE TO VISIT. YEAH. AND JUST SO THAT, SO THE RECORD ISN'T UNCLEAR. IT'S NOT JUST TACOS AT TACO BELL . UM, ALL KIDDING ASIDE, UM, THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS SUGGESTED BY MR. CANNING. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT I WANT YOU, I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND, NONE OF US BELIEVE, AND OUR MORE IMPORTANTLY, OUR CLIENTS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE NEED THAT. THAT WE WILL ULTIMATELY NEED THAT. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT AT ANY OF THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS. SO, UM, WHILE THEY MAY WISH THEY WERE CHICK-FIL-A, THEY'RE NOT CHICK-FIL-A. UM, AND WE'RE VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT THIS BOARD WENT THROUGH WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMPETITORS OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THE FAST FOOD MARKETPLACE. THIS IS NOT THAT. UM, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. JUST TO BACK UP FOR ONE SECOND. ON THE SITE LIGHTING, YOU INDICATED NO ANTICIPATED OR SPILLOVER BASED ON THE PHOTOMETRIC TIME. MM-HMM . ARE THE LIGHTS GOING TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT? I SAW DAVID WHISPER, BUT I WASN'T SURE. YES. OKAY. YES. I JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT ON. GIMME THE, THANK YOU, AARON. 'CAUSE HE DIDN'T GIMME THE ANSWER. I HOPE. I WAS HOPING HE WOULD GIVE ME, AND I, WE TYPICALLY, THAT WAS WHAT I ASKED HIM. CONDITION. YES. OKAY. YES, YES. SO WE'VE GOT HOMEWORK TO DO. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU WITH ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. THIS WAS A, THIS TERRIFIC DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF IMPORTANT ISSUES. UM, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SITE IS, IS TIGHT, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE THE SITE SUCCESSFUL AND WE DON'T WANT GREENBERG TO HAVE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A MISSING TOOTH IN A, IN AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THERE IS APPARENTLY A SIGNIFICANT DEMAND IN THE [01:50:01] COMMUNITY FOR, UM, AS OUR CLIENTS WOULD ATTEST. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE WITH US. WE WILL DO OUR HOMEWORK. WE WILL COME BACK, WE'LL CONFER WITH MR. CANNING. WE WOULD ASK PROCEDURALLY THAT YOU DESIGNATE YOUR INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY. AND, UM, AS I TOLD YOU AT THE OUTSET OF THE MEETING, I'M GONNA REMIND YOU AT THE END, WHEN I, WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER LETTING US GO TO THE ZONING BOARD. UM, WHETHER WE HAVE A NEUTRAL OR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE ZONING BOARD TO HAVE SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR IN. AND YOU ARE ON FOR, ARE YOU SCHEDULED WITH THE ZBA AS OF YET? I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T THINK WE'VE, HAVE YOU FILED, DID I? DIDN'T WE? I THINK WE WANTED TO DO THIS MEETING. WE DIDN'T THOUGHT IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. WE DIDN'T WANNA BE OVERLY PRESUMPTUOUS AND START DOING THAT. SO, SO I JUST WANT, SO IN THE ABSENCE OF FILING BY MARCH 15TH YEP. THE EARLIEST YOU'RE GOING TO GET ON WITH THE ZONING BOARD IS MAY, MAY, IT GIVES THE PLANNING BOARD A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE FIGURED. SO I JUST WANT THE BOARD. GOT IT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. TOTALLY APPRECIATE IT. WE'RE GONNA TAR. SO, SO I'M GONNA AMEND MY REQUEST. WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO TARGET THE MAY ZONING BOARD MEETING. UM, AND WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO HELP US ACCOMMODATE THAT, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THAT AT THE APRIL MEETING. THANK YOU. UM, LEAD AGENCY . SO I NEED A MOTION TO CLEAR. THE PLANNING BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY. SO MOVED. INTENT, INTENT, INTENT TO BE SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO WE WILL TAKE THAT LEAD AGENCY NOTICE OF INTENT AND CIRCULATE TO THANK YOU ALL INTERESTED AND INVOLVED IN APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME AND FEEDBACK. I THINK YOU SHOULD DO A SITE VISIT WHEN APPROPRIATE. I AGREE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. GOODBYE. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU. SO WE, CAN WE TAKE TWO MINUTES? WELL THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO, I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE NEXT, UM, CASE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. YEAH. THANK YOU. WE'RE STARTING CASE NUMBER PV 25 0 7 ZAMUDIO 32 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH, A PRE SUFFICIENT CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL FUTURE PLANNING BOARD SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD. STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT. UM, OH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN. UH, THIS IS TOM ABBI LAMA. I'M THE ARCHITECT AND THIS IS FOR THE OWNERS HERE, MRS. . UM, THIS PROJECT, UH, WE, WE DID IT IN, UM, 2017. WE, WE GOT IT APPROVED BY THE ZONING AND PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR A THREE STORY BUILDING FOR A MEDICAL BUILDING. AND, UH, SINCE THE COVID, WE DECIDED, UH, TO GO TO, UH, ONE STORY BUILDING. UH, AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE ABOUT 50% OF THE BUILDING TO, TO HAVE A COVERAGE. AND THEN THE OTHER HALF IS, UH, PARKING. SO WE ENDED UP WITH, UH, ABOUT, UH, UH, 4,600 SQUARE FEET, UH, OF A STORE, UH, A BUILDING FOR PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE STORES PROBABLY WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE. AND, UH, UH, AND THE, UM, 10 PARKING SPACES WITH THE HANDICAPPED, UH, UH, AREA. SO, UM, THE, THE, IF WE LOOK AT THE OLD ZONING BOARD THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, UM, THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, FOR THE COVERAGE PREVIOUSLY WAS 71.45%. AND NOW WE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR 46%. SO THAT, THAT HELPS A LOT FOR THE COVERAGE. 71 TO 46. RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, AND UH, SO, AND IN GENERAL, ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT IS TO SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE, UH, ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE, WE WE'RE PROVIDING SO FAR. UH, WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, STORM WATER, UH, UH, ENOUGH FOR THE WESTCHESTER REQUIREMENT AS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, GREENBERG REQUIREMENT. UH, WE, UH, WE ARE GONNA ALSO, WE, WE TRY TO, TO FILE FOR, UH, DOT, UH, BECAUSE WE DID IT PREVIOUSLY, UH, UH, IN THE ZONING. AND NOW WE ARE, UH, WE ARE GONNA DO IT OVER, UH, AND, UH, UH, AND THEN MO UH, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE A RETAINING WALL IN THE REAR. UH, THAT, UH, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT [01:55:01] PROBABLY A, A 12, A 12 FOOT HIGH OF RETAINING WALL BEHIND THE HOUSE, UH, UH, THE, THE BUILDING. SO THERE'S NO, UH, UH, SO THEN, THEN THERE'S, WE DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY DOORS IN THE REAR. ALL THE DOORS ARE IN THE FRONT. AND AS FAR, AS FAR AS THE, THE CODE IS OKAY. THAT WE HAVE WITH PROVIDING SO FAR. YOU MEAN FIRE CODE? SORRY, AS FAR AS FIRE CODE, UH, YEAH, EVERYTHING'S IS, IS OKAY. EVERYTHING THAT, THAT'S OKAY. AND WHEN, AND IF THEY SUBMIT A FORMAL SUBMISSION, IT WILL BE CIRCULATED TO THE FIRE DISTRICT FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT. YEAH. UM, LANDSCAPING WE'RE PROVIDING IN THE FRONT AND THE SIDES. UH, WE, WE WOULD PROVIDE MORE AS, AS WE CAN. UH, AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S IT. THAT'S AS FAR AS WE, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. PLEASE LET ME KNOW. PLEASE. IS THE, IS THE RENDERING ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE? OH YEAH. YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I, I WANT TO NOTE THAT. SO THERE'S A RENDERING AND THEN FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION, MR. AND MRS. MIO ACTUALLY HAVE A SCALED MODEL OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING THAT THEY WANNA SHOW THE BOARD. UM, WHICH IS REALLY FASCINATING 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN IT. UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I THINK, I THINK YOU CAN BEGIN TO BRING THAT UP. YEAH. AND THEN I WAS JUST GONNA CHECK. I THINK THAT'S VERY PRETTY. YEAH. AND I, YOU MIGHT AGREE WITH ME. I'M SORRY. IS THIS MORE LIKE THE MODEL? I THINK THAT IS THE MODEL. THAT'S THE MODEL, YES. SO YOU'LL SEE THE MODEL THAT'S, BUT, UM, ONE THING, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. PINE HAS A QUESTION. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TOO. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD. UM, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING FIVE, SPLITTING THE BUILDING INTO FIVE USES? YES. YES. OF VARYING SIZES. THE END CAPSULES WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE THREE IN THE MIDDLE. YES. THAT'S AN ORDER JUST TO GIVE, UH, TO THE CONSTRUCTION. I, SORRY, I DON'T KNOW YOU, SO SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. OH, I'M SORRY. YOUR HONOR. ADDRESS. THANK YOU. I'M, I'M RICARD UD, UH, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. I'M SORRY. UM, BASICALLY THOSE, THOSE, UH, CORNERS ARE JUST PROVIDED JUST TO GIVE IT AS AN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, BEAUTY ON IT AS, UH, WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. UH, I MEAN WE CAN MAKE THE BUILDING STRAY, BUT IT'S, IT IS NOT GONNA LOOK THAT PRETTY. WE TRYING TO MAKE IT LIKE A LITTLE VILLAGE TO GO WITH HARD SALE ON THE ALLOCATION. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THREE, TWO BECOME, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OR HARDER HARD SALE. 'CAUSE IT'S FOUR CORNERS. YEAH. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD THE VISION FOR THE USES. UM, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, DIFFERENT USES HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS UNDER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. AND YOU'RE SHOWING 10 SPACES, UM, YOU KNOW, SIX STRAIGHT IN AND TWO OFF TO EACH SIDE. YOU'RE ACCOMMODATING THE ONE A DA ACCESSIBLE. SO I THINK IT WOULD GIVE THE BOARD SOME INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE YOU FEEDBACK. OKAY. WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IF THEY KNEW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE USES AND WHERE WOULD YOUR EMPLOYEES PARK OR THE EMPLOYEES PARK. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT ALONE COULD JUST TAKE DEFINITELY, YEAH. DEFINITELY. YEAH. THAT'S, WE THOUGHT IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE PARKING 'CAUSE FOR US IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I MEAN, I WAS HEARING BEFORE THE DISCUSSION WITH TACO BELL AND, AND THE REALITY IS THAT YOU CANNOT TELL, UH, UH, YOUR, YOUR, UH, EMPLOYEES TO, TO WALK TO, TO THE JOB THEY HAVE TO DRIVE. AND IN THESE DAYS, THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY HAVE TO DRIVE NO MATTER WHAT. SO FOR THAT REASON, YOU CAN TELL THEM TO PARK AT TUCKER BELL. NO, I'M KIDDING. PARKING, JUST TO JUST ANSWER YOU. BUT FOR THAT REASON, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THIS MAP RIGHT HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE YELLOW IS THE, UM, THE, UH, UM, STREET PARKING. YOU CAN HAVE, UH, WE HAVE 52 STREET PARKING SPACES PLUS ONE ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL BLOCK, EVERYBODY THAT WE RENT. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT NO, NO, UH, EMPLOYEE SHOULD BE PARKING IN THE AREA BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 10 SPACES. THAT'S FOR CUSTOMERS ONLY. SO IF YOU, YOU WILLING TO DRIVE, THEY HAVE TO EITHER GET A MONTHLY SPACE. 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THE, UH, THE TOWN PROVIDES MONTHLY SPACES. UM, AND THAT ALSO GOES FOR THE, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT, UM, UH, RENT THE, THE UNIT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAND, THE, THE TENANTS. YEAH. CAN YOU, YEAH. TALK ABOUT THE USES. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT EMPLOYEES, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS IS THAT AN EMPLOYEE GET A MONTHLY PASS. EITHER THAT OR THEY CAN PARK IN THE STREET. UH, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THESE STORES ARE, UH, THEY HAVE RIGHT AROUND THAT AREA. MOSTLY [02:00:01] THEY PARK IN THE STREET IS MIDDLE PARKING. UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WANT THE STORES, WHAT WE WANT IS THE, I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS KNOW THE AREA RIGHT THERE ON, ON DALE AVENUE, THOSE SMALL, UH, TAKEOUT STORES, IT IS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY SMALL, UH, STORES RIGHT THERE BY , IF YOU KNOW THAT AREA IN, UM, THE FOUR CORNERS. YEAH. YOU VERY FAMILIAR. YEAH. MM-HMM . DO YOU WANT TO SHOW? YEAH, LEMME SHOW YOU THAT. THAT'S THE HARD STILL. I, I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO HEAR ABOUT THE USES THAT YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR, FOR THESE, THESE LIKE, UH, THE USES WOULD BE SMALL RETAIL STORES. OKAY. UM, SO NO RESTAURANT? NO, NO, NO. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACES FOR THAT. OKAY. IT'S MOSTLY LIKE, MAYBE TAKE OUT LIKE A SMALL, UH, LET ME TURN THIS. WOW. IT'S CUTE. . YEAH. UM, I'M, I'M, I JUST WANT HIM TO SPEAK AT THE, OKAY. I THINK HE NEEDS LIKE, LIKE SMALL HOME. GOOD. THIS IS DOWN SCALE. THIS IS ON A SCALE OF ONE EIGHT. UM, BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE, THIS IS THE, UH, THIS WILL BE THE AREA THAT IS THE LANDSCAPING AND THE PARKING SPACE. I'LL BACK, AND THIS WILL BE THE AREA THAT BUILD UP. AND IF YOU COULD GO TO THE MIC OR CARRY IT WITH YOU, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. TERRANCE IS COMING IN. THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, OH, THANK, THANK YOU, TERRANCE. THANK YOU. UM, AND JUST QUICKLY, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REAR RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU STILL IN THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR OR DO YOU OWN IT? DO YOU RESIDE THERE? WE, WE STILL OWN THE PROPERTY IN THE REAR? YES. OKAY. WE DO. SO, AND THAT'S YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME? YEAH. THAT'S ON WILSON STREET. ON WILSON STREET, YES. SO THEY ARE THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE REAR? YES. YES. THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, AS I SAY BEFORE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A ONE EIGHT SCALE. SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE, UH, INCLUDING THE ELECTRICAL POLES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WERE GONNA DO, WE HAD THE DRIVEWAY. SO WE ONLY NEED TO GET ONE MORE SPACE. BUT, UM, THAT WILL BE ALSO ACROSS THE STREET. WE, WE WOULD TRANSFER ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE STATE. SO I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY. SO IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT, SO THIS IS A VACANT LOT. THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE. UM, IT'S KIND OF OVERGROWN, LITTLE WEEDY. HE DID CLEAN UP THE FRONT. UM, BUT THERE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NEVER BEEN A BUILDING ON THAT. NO PROPERTY? NO, NO. . SO, UM, BUT TO SPEAK TO THE PARKING IN FRONT, WHEN THEY GOT THE APPROVAL FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE IN 2017, WHICH WAS NOT BUILT, UM, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY. WELL, IT WAS THROUGH TWO HARTSDALE PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT SPACES. THERE WERE TWO METERED SPACES THERE. SO IN CONNECTION WITH THAT APPROVAL, WE HAD TO COORDINATE WITH THE HARTSDALE PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT, AND THEY WANTED A NEW LOCATION IDENTIFIED FOR TWO SPACES. WE WERE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH THE DISTRICT DIRECTOR TO LOCATE THEM ACROSS THE STREET ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE TO MAKE UP THE TWO SPACES. WHAT I THINK MR. ZAMUDIO IS SAYING IS THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS CENTRALIZED LAYOUT OF THE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC IN, IN THE FORMER PROPOSAL, IT WAS SKEWED UP TO THE NORTH, CLOSER TO THAT UTILITY POLE TO THE LEFT. MM-HMM . THIS BEING CENTRAL, THEY WOULD IN ALL LIKELIHOOD LOSE ONE ADDITIONAL DALE PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT METERED SPACE, AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, BASED ON PAST PRACTICE, YOU NEED TO FIND A LOCATION TO REPLACE THAT. UM, THAT CLARIFIES THINGS. WHERE WOULD YOUR 21 DRYWALLS GO? ON THIS? ON THIS VERSION, IT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE UNDER THE PARKING, I BELIEVE ON THE, UH, IF YOU CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DRYWALLS RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. OKAY. UH, THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE. CAN I HAVE IT, TOM? CAN I HAVE IT? THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT APPROVED BACK ON, ON, UH, ON 18, I BELIEVE IT WAS. OR 17 ON 19. YEAH. CAN YOU HOLD THIS? AND I HAVE THOSE PERMITS. THIS YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. MM-HMM . IT'S A DIFFERENT SCALE, BUT NO, NO. THIS IS THE SAME SCALE. NO. SO THE RAISED PART IN THE BACK, WAS THAT SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN DRIVE UNDERNEATH? NO, NO, NO, NO. LOOKING AT IT WRONG. THIS WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED. I BRING IT JUST TO SHOW YOU. NO, BEFORE THE, BEFORE IT USED TO BE THE DRIVEWAY WAS HERE. MM-HMM . THAT'S WHAT, UH, SIR AARON WAS PLAYING BEFORE. THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY. IT USED TO BE HERE. AND THEN THEY USED TO BE PARKING UNDER UNDERNEATH. WERE THEY PARKING UNDERNEATH THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING? IT USED TO BE LIKE THAT, YES. OKAY. WE, WE DON'T DO ANY MORE FOR, BUT [02:05:01] I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY AND THOSE APPROVALS BEEN HAVE EXPIRED? YES, I, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, YEAH. UH, THEY WERE EXTENDED, BUT I BELIEVE IT ALSO INVOLVED A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WHICH HAS LAPSED. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, THE PRIOR APPROVAL. UM, THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. I, I, I'M, I'M STILL NOT REALLY CLEAR ON PROPOSED USAGE, WHICH REALLY DOES SPEAK TO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, UM, IS THAT IF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT SECTION ON FOUR CORNERS, UM, RIGHT THERE ON FOUR CORNERS, IF YOU, IF YOU TURN GOING TO DOWNTOWN, YOU EVER SEE THOSE LITTLE STORES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE? LIKE THE LITTLE PIA, LITTLE ICE CREAM, THE TAILOR, LIKE RETAIL, THE TAILOR, THOSE LITTLE, YEAH. LIKE, UH, SHOES, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE'S ONE, THE SHOE MAKERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY FIX THE, TO REPAIR THE SHOE, THOSE, THOSE LITTLE STORES IS WHAT WE WANTED. TARGET. WE WANT TARGET LIKE, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE WILLING TO, TO COME. UM, AND WE PROVIDE IN THE PARKING FOR THOSE. UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IF, IF SOMETHING FOR JUST LIKE A, A TAKEOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, DOES, DOES THE HARTSDALE SIGN ORDINANCE REACH OUT INTO THIS PROPERTY OR IS THAT JUST IN DOWNTOWN HARTSDALE? THAT'S JUST DOWNTOWN THE STREETS SCAPE. HC DISTRICT. YEAH. UM, SO WOULD YOU IMAGINE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, ABOVE EACH DOOR OR SOMETHING VERY SMALL AROUND HERE. OKAY. AND MAYBE, UH, SOMETHING HERE, WHATEVER THE, UH, BUT NOW IDENTIFY EACH DOOR, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE WE WILL PROVIDE. YEAH. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL LOT BEFORE THE, UM, I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HARTSDALE PUBLIC PARKING LOT, CORRECT? YEAH. THE WAS PARKING LOT. AND, UM, THAT'S, SO THAT'S, THEY RUN THAT. AND YOU SAID THERE WAS MONTHLY PARKING OF THAT? NO. I'M SAYING IS THAT THEY CAN PARK DAILY OR, OR I BELIEVE, UH, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY USED TO, UM, RENT LIKE MONTHLY. THAT MAY BE FOR RESIDENTS, BUT SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. MM-HMM . THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T, THERE ARE METER SPACES THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO MONTHLY PASSES THERE, LIKE THEY DO IN THE GARAGES IN THE VILLAGE. SOMETHING TO LOOK, SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN LOOK AFTER. YEAH. IT'S EXPENSIVE IF YOU'RE PARKING LIKE ON A DAILY BASIS AS OPPOSED TO A MONTHLY USUALLY. COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO HEAR. YOU SURE. WATER IT WITH ME. . UM, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT RIGHT NOW HAVE EMPLOYEES IN THAT SECTION, THEY PARK IN THE STREET AND THEY PAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT QUARTERS IN THE METER. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO NOW. THAT BLIND PLACE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE BLIND TO GO, THE BLIND PLACE THE EMPLOYEES, THEY PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. BUT IS THAT THE LOT? HMM. OH, YOU'RE JUST MAKING NOTES, I THINK. YEAH. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. SO ONE QUESTION I HAD, THE PRIOR APPROVAL WAS FOR TWO STORY, UH, THREE SPACE MEDICAL OFFICE WITH STORAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, STORAGE ON SECOND FLOOR, AND ALSO BASEMENT. RIGHT? THAT WAS STORAGE. YEAH. SO THIS STRUCTURE IS ENVISIONED AS A ONE STORY, BUT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. SO THAT'S THE DESIGN THAT WE DID YOU NEED TO USE THE MIC? YEAH. SO THIS, THIS DESIGN HERE FOR, FOR THREE STORY BUILDING ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. SEVEN, SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO. UH, SO, SO NOW WHAT WE'RE GOING DOWN TO A ONE STORY BUILDING REALLY UNDERSTOOD. ON THAT DESIGN, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DID YOU END UP WITH? UH, THIS ONE WAS 12. YEAH. YOU HAD 12 SPACES. 12 SPACES, YES. OKAY. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE YOU HAD THE RAISED UP, UH, IN THE BACK, WHICH PROVIDED ADDITIONAL PARKING? YEAH. THE X-RAY. YEAH, THE X-RAY, THE, THE X-RAY PARKING SPACES. SO, AND THEN YOU SAID THESE TWO OUTPOSTS, ALTHOUGH IT IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, I DO AGREE WITH YOU MM-HMM . IN TERMS OF CONTINUATION OF WHAT THE VILLAGE LOOKS LIKE, UM, THAT COULD NOT PROVIDE ANY PARKING FOR YOU IN, IN SOME TYPE OF WAY, AND STILL HAVE, IT IS A WAY MAYBE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THE, AND THEN IT WOULD AFFECT THE DESIGN OF THE, UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO 50% OF THE LOT INTO, UH, INTO THE MICROPHONE. SO THE, THE 50% OF THE LOT IN, IN, IN THE BUILDING, AND THEN THE OTHER 50% IS FOR PARKING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE CAN, WE CAN BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING BETTER. BUT IF WE, WE CAN REMOVE ONE PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, THEN, THEN WE CAN HAVE MAYBE PROVIDE [02:10:01] MORE PARKING, BUT THEN MAYBE TWO EXTRA MORE. RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD RIGHT. ON THE DESIGN. SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THERE'S ONLY 10 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE USES MIGHT BE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST BAGEL SHOP IN LOWER WESTCHESTER, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE QUITE BUSY. UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A TAILOR, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE AS BUSY OR, YOU KNOW, A REAL ESTATE AGENT OFFICE OR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING. SO THE VOLUME IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED A NOT A CONCERN WITH. OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT THE BUSINESSES TO BE, UM, SUCCESSFUL, BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINE TUNE THINGS IN A WAY AS YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN TO INCORPORATE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO FURTHER EVALUATE MAYBE THE ON-STREET PARKING SPACES ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR FORMAL PROPOSAL, YOU CAN TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE ON-STREET PARKING AND THAT MUNICIPAL LOT, YOU KNOW, AT THE MORNING, PEAK HOUR, 7, 8, 9 AM YOU KNOW, THE AFTERNOON RUSH AND, AND THE EVENING. JUST TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE BOARD KINDA WHAT AVAILABILITY OUTSIDE OF YOUR LOT. 'CAUSE ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, EVEN IF YOU WERE ABLE TO CARVE OUT A FEW EXTRA SPACES ON THE SITE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA NEED A VARIANCE FOR OFF STREETT PARKING. AND THIS BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, AND THEN THE ZONING BOARD'S GONNA BE THE DECIDING BOARD ON THAT VARIANCE. SO THE MORE INFORMATION, DATA, PHOTOGRAPHS, AND EVIDENCE YOU CAN PROVIDE TO BOTH BOARDS IS GONNA HELP, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE YOUR CASE. UM, AND, AND ONE OTHER, I MEAN, OH, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING? I WOULD JUST SAY MORE DATA ON THE USES THOUGH. I MEAN, SOMETHING WE'VE CONSIDERED IN THE PAST ON OTHER LOCATIONS, WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT USES THAT MAYBE HAVE PEAK DEMAND AT DIFFERENT HOURS, YOU CAN SHOW THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THIS IS A MORNING DEMAND, THIS IS AN EVENING DEMAND, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, AND HOW THE USES ARE SHARED ON THE SITE. THAT'S CRUCIAL FOR US. THAT, THAT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIRED PARKING WOULD BE BECAUSE WE DUNNO WHAT THE USAGE, PROPOSED USAGE PARTNER OR DO YOU KNOW, BASED, BASED ON THE SIZE IT'S BUILDING 23 4, THE SPACE AS IT IS NOW, RIGHT? UM, OR IS IT BASED ON USAGE? SO IT IS BASED ON USE, BUT, UH, AND MATT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, A TAKEOUT, YOU KNOW, A A NON, THEY WON'T BE RESTAURANT USES, RIGHT? NO. SO THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT IS MORE STRINGENT, BUT I THINK THE TYPICAL IS GOING TO BE A ONE TO 200 FOR RETAIL. SO IF YOU APPLY THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU GET ON YOUR CHART, WHAT DOES IT SAY? 23? 23 WHERE THEY HAVE 10 AND, BUT THERE'S 50 OFF STREET PARKINGS BASIS. THERE MAY BE, SO THERE'S, THERE'S 52, IT'S 52, UH, ON THE STREET. UH, YEAH, 52 ON THE STREET ON, AND THE MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT IS 96. I'M SORRY, TOTAL 52 WHERE? YELLOW STREET, 52 SPACES ON CENTRAL AVENUE OFF OF, OFF OF AL. AND I SEE WILSON HAS SOME YELLOW, A FEW HERE, BUT MOSTLY IT'S RIGHT HERE AND HERE, HERE, HERE AND ACROSS THE, SO, YOU KNOW, PHOTOGRAPHS, I'M GOING TO SEE THAT, THAT ARE, AS I SAID, THE EVIDENCE 96 IS JUST IN THE PARKING LOT. MM-HMM . 52, IT WOULD BE JUST, UH, OKAY. BUT, UH, HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE AND SUPPORT WHEN YOU COME IN WITH YOUR FORMAL APPLICATIONS IS GONNA HELP THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, AVAILABILITY ON, ON THE, NOT ONLY ON THE SITE, BUT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE WITHIN REASONABLE WALKING DISTANCE. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. OKAY. UM, ONTO A, A SORT OF SEPARATE SUBJECT, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU'RE, THIS IS A NEW BUILD, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR ANY SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES? UM, SOLAR CAPABILITY OR SO NO. SOLAR PERIOD OR ANYTHING? YEAH, THE, THE, WE WANT TO USE SOME SOLAR PANELS MOVING FOR THE LIGHTS INTO THE, THE LIGHTS AND, AND THE REAR. ALSO, WE CAN, IN THE REAR, WE, WE HAVE ROOM, WE CAN PUT SOME SOLAR. DEFINITELY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF YOUR, YOUR PLANS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, TENANTS WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT. WHEN [02:15:01] YOU SAY IN THE REAR, DO YOU MEAN ON THE REAR FACE OF THE ROOF? AND THIS IS THE BLACK AREA. IF YOU SEE HERE IN THIS SECTION. OH, I SEE THE PANELS HERE. OKAY. THERE WOULD BE GIVEN THE, THE, UH, ELECTRICAL FOR THE NIGHTTIME LIGHTS AT TIME, BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD USE THAT, YES. WAS THERE ANY MORE FEEDBACK YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR FROM THE BOARD? YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY? NO, I, I MEAN WE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BUT, BUT THIS IS MOST LIKELY JUST FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. RETAIL, SMALL RETAIL. MM-HMM . I, I I GUESS, YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A FORMAL, UH, APPLICATION, I MEAN, WOULD THERE BE A REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR LIKE A GARBAGE, GARBAGE AREA AND IF SO, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? UM, MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED? MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. LIKE WHERE WOULD YOUR, WHERE WOULD YOUR, IT WOULD BE EACH, IN EACH SIDE WOULD BE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL LIKE A SIX FOOT CAR GARBAGE. AND UH, USUALLY THEY'LL COME LIKE AROUND SIX, SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO PICK 'EM UP. AND WOULD, WOULD THAT BE IN THIS SECTION? SEE, UH, NEXT TO THE PARKING SPOT, WOULD THERE BE ROOM FOR A GARBAGE? NO, NO. IT IS, IS THE, YOU EVER SEE THOSE CONTAINERS THAT THEY HAVE LIKE TWO BLACK FLAPS? YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. IT WOULD BE ONE IN EACH SIDE. OKAY. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, STAFF COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOU DID, AND THIS IS BEAUTIFUL AGAIN. UM, BUT BECAUSE YOU DID CONSIDER HAVING A PORTION OF THAT OTHER DESIGN RAISED UP FOR PARKING, JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER INCORPORATING INTO THIS DESIGN IF NEED BE FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING. YEAH. BUT IN, IN THIS CASE, THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO CUT THE USAGE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WANTS TO, UH, USE THE FRONT, UH, FIRST FLOOR SPACE TO, IS GOING TO CREATE A HARD TIME FOR THE, UH, FOR THE TENANTS TO COME. OKAY. JUST, JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, OFFERED AS DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. RIGHT. SO TO, TO DYLAN'S POINT BEFORE ABOUT GARBAGE COLLECTION, BUT ALSO CONSIDERATION OF DELIVERIES, TRUCK CIRCULATION ON THE SITE, ARE THEY GONNA DELIVER ON THE STREET? UM, AND THEN, UM, GOING BACK TO THE USE OF THE STREET PARKING, UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT PREVIOUSLY HAS COME UP IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER USES ON THE STREET. SO IF THERE'S ANY, UM, UH, DATA ON HOW OTHER VENDORS NEARBY OR OTHER BUSINESSES USE THE STREET PARKING AS WELL. YEAH. 'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE A, A GROCERY STORE LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS, RIGHT? IF I REMEMBER. YEAH. YEAH. A GROCERY STORE NEXT TO THIS? NO, FOR THIS SOUTH OF THE FANTASY CUISINE RESTAURANT. YEAH, THERE'S LIKE A ASIAN, IT'S UM, UM, A BIG STORE THAT IS LIKE A, LIKE A RESTAURANT I BELIEVE, OR, UH, LIKE THE TAKEOUT OF THEY COOK FOR PARTIES AND STUFF, LIKE A CATERING. BUT THEN THERE, THERE WAS LIKE A EITHER A JAPANESE MARKET OR OH YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S TOWARDS THE, TO CENTRAL AVENUE. SORRY, TO ELL AVENUE. YEAH. FURTHER SOUTH. I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE JUST SAYING IS TAKE A, TAKE A FEW PICTURES, LIKE HOW MANY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE USED AT 10 ON THE SATURDAY MORNING, SEVEN ON A FRIDAY EVENING. RIGHT. JUST, JUST GIVE US SOME IDEA OF, BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THE CONCERN. YEAH. THE SPACES RIGHT HERE. YEAH. SO JUST TAKE PHOTOS AT DIFFERENT HOURS OF STREET. THAT SHOULD HELP. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING THE OFFICE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPACES TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF THE ENTRY, ONE CONSIDERATION, MAYBE JUST BECAUSE IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY BUSY, UM, YOU WANT TO MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL, EVEN ONSITE TRAFFIC CONFLICTS, UM, AND PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING THE SPACES OFF TO THE SIDE, UM, BACK IN ONLY SO THEY'RE PULLING NOSE OUT OF THOSE SPACES, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. OH, OKAY. AND THE THE TWO, THE TWO SIZES. YEAH. YEAH, THAT WILL BE FINE. BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE BACKING OUT AND THEN THEY'RE BACKING OUT OF THE FRONT YEAH. AND YOU GOT PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH, I JUST WANNA SEE YOU GET AN 18, WANNA SEE YOU GET AN 18-YEAR-OLD TO BACK IN. I'LL TELL YOU. I JUST SAY I MAY NOT, BUT, UH, MY MOTHER WAS A BIG BACKEND PERSON AND I ALWAYS SAID, YOU'RE WASTING TIME. WHY CAN'T WE JUST PULL STRAIGHT IN? AND I KNOW, I'M JUST LIKE, NOW I'M 40, 46 AND I BACK IN EVERYWHERE. I KNOW. BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE ACCIDENTS WITH BACK IN THAN NO BACK IN. BUT DO ANYTHING ELSE [02:20:01] OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN GOOD FEEDBACK? WE, WE GOT, WE ALSO, WE, WE HAVE A 10 FOOT AREA IN THE REAR THAT WE USE IT FOR MORE GREEN. AND, AND MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUSH THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE REAR OF THE WALL WITH A MAYBE A TWO FOOT RETAIN WALL, BUT THIS 10, 10 FOOT AREAS, BUT THIS 10 FOOT AREA IS YOUR RETAINING WALL. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THEN WE CAN ADD ANOTHER PARKING. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH PARKING YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ON THE SITE. LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE IF YOU CAN INCREASE, YOU KNOW, THE 10 TO SOMETHING GREATER THAN THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL FEEDBACK OF THE BOARD, WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT IDEAS THROWN OUT THERE AND BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR ARCHITECT, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH STAFF AS YOU START TO DEVELOP, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH A FORMAL PROPOSAL, WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND SURE. OR HAVE A PHONE CALL OR A ZOOM MEETING. OKAY. OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE MENTIONED, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S ACTUALLY AVAILABLE, UM, ON THE STREET TO ACCOMMODATE EITHER THE EMPLOYEES YEAH. TO ACCOMMODATE EMPLOYEES OR OVERFLOW FROM THERE. UM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN POSSIBLY INCORPORATE SOME SOLAR INTO THE PROJECT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT. GOOD THING THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE WE WITH MICHAEL BECAUSE YEAH, HE WAS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REMEMBER, HE, HE WAS, YOU, YOU WERE ON MY OTHER PROJECT, I BELIEVE RIGHT? WAS MM-HMM . MM-HMM . WHAT YOU WERE ON THE OTHER PROJECT? UH, THE, DO YOU REMEMBER THE, UH, FORMER PROJECT? MAYBE HE DIDN'T, NOT REALLY. YOU GAVE ME A LITTLE HARD TIME, BUT YOU WERE GOOD IN THE END. , YEAH. BUT NO, BUT HE, HE WAS GREAT. AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR YOUR TIME. UH, WE DID PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU PART OF THIS, UH, COMMITTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD. SO BEFORE WE CLOSE, I JUST ALSO WANTED TO THANK MICHAEL FOR HIS MANY, MANY YEARS ON THE BOARD. I FEEL LIKE I PLAYED A LITTLE BIT OF A ROLE, UM, BECAUSE IN, IN MAKING, IN, IN GETTING HIM ON THIS BOARD, BECAUSE I DENIED HIM FOR A WETLAND WATER. YEAH. I, RIGHT. I DENIED HIM FOR A WETLAND WATER COURSE CLEARANCE FORM ABOUT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO, PROBABLY, UH, FOR A SMALL STREAM SEGMENT THAT, UH, SURFACES ON HIS PROPERTY. AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO GIMME A KNUCKLE SANDWICH WHEN I TOLD HIM I WAS GONNA HAVE TO DENY HIM. BUT SHORTLY AFTER HE CARRIED OUT HIS PROJECT, HE EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SERVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD. AND WE'VE HAD HIM EVER SINCE. I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM HIM. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT HE'S PROVIDED AND, UM, THE EFFORTS HE'S MADE TO STREAMLINE CERTAIN PROCESSES THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, IT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL, NOT ONLY TO THE BOARD, TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, BUT ALSO TO STAFF. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU AGAIN, MICHAEL. WE'LL MISS YOU. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AROUND TOWN. THANK YOU, AARON. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU. . THANK YOU. . ANYTHING ELSE? OTHERWISE WE CAN CLOSE. NO, I'M GONNA MISS YOU, MICHAEL. I'M GONNA MISS YOU. CUTTING STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. HE'S LIKE, LISTEN, JUST WE'LL ALL, WE'LL ALL HAVE TO HONE OUR INNER MICHAEL. YEAH. JUST GONNA BE LIKE, JUST DO WHAT I SAY. WE CAN ALL BE A MICHAEL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. . WE REALLY ARE GONNA MISS YOU, MICHAEL. YES. YEAH. IT WAS A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE, UH, ALL SET CLOSED AT 9:36 PM EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR EVENING. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.