* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] PROGRESS. UH, WELCOME [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: HCancro@GreenburghNY.com https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings] TARA TOWN BOARD WORK. PAUL, YOUR MICROPHONE. OKAY. WELCOME TARA TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION. TODAY IS APRIL, UM, UH, FIRST AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, UH, SPEAKING TO, UH, MARK SOJA TO DISCUSS THE PILOT FOR FAIRVIEW MANHATTAN. MARK, DO YOU WANNA COME THE TABLE? MARK, DO YOU WANNA COME TO THE TABLE, PLEASE? YEAH, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MARK, PLEASE TURN THE MICS ON. THERE YOU GO. AND BRING IT A LITTLE CLOSER, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT . IT WON'T BITE. IT REALLY DOESN'T BITE. PROMISE. OKAY. OKAY. HI. GREAT. THANK YOU. MARK, YOU'VE BEEN, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? ? I'M MARK SOJI WITH MARATHON DEVELOPMENT GROUP. WE'RE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER BASED HERE IN PEAK SCALE. I'M SORRY, BASED HERE IN WESTCHESTER. BASED HERE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY. UM, OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, WE DEVELOPED 2000 YEARS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ABOUT HALF OF WHICH, IN WESTCHESTER. AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT FAIRVIEW MANHATTAN APARTMENTS. UM, WE DEVELOPED FAIRVIEW MANHATTAN. OH, HI, FRANCIS . UH, WE DEVELOPED FAIRVIEW MANHATTAN SEVEN, 17 YEARS AGO. MM-HMM . UM, THE PROPERTY'S HISTORICALLY. IT RAN WELL. DID OKAY. UM, IT'S A 50-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE NOW, BUT IT'S HAS SOME REPAIRS THAT NEEDED. PULL MIC CLOSER TO YOU. I'M SORRY. CAN'T LEAN YOU BACK AND GETTING CASUAL. I, THERE YOU GO. APOLOGIZE. THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN LEAN BACK AS LONG AS YOU BRING THE MICROPHONE WITH YOU. KEEP MY HANDS UP. MOVING WITH ME. MM-HMM . UM, SO WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER COVID, THE PROPERTIES REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLED. WE HAD 10 ARE REFUSING TO PAY RENT, WE'VE GOT TO 1,000,006 IN UNPAID RENT. UM, AND THEY WORKED TO PROCESS. WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS BY GETTING TENS TO MOVE YOU BY THEIR OWN CHOICE OR WITH THE HELP OF THE AUTHORITIES, AND THEY'RE JUST TRASHING APARTMENTS BEHIND THEM. THE PROPERTY IS REALLY STRUGGLING. UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF MY MEETING TODAY IS TO REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO OUR POWER AGREEMENT, UH, TO MOVE TO A SHELTERED RENT CALCULATION FROM THE WAY IT HAS NOW. UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, I CHECK MY NOTES OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THERE'S COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE BUILDING. SOME TENANTS COMPLAIN. I GET EMAILS FROM PAUL PERIODICALLY. UM, WE ADDRESS THEM. I HOPE YOU THINK WE ADDRESS THEM PRETTY QUICKLY. GET BACK TO YOU RIGHT AWAY. UM, YOU KNOW, AS TENANTS LEAVE OUR APARTMENTS, TYPICALLY TYPICAL TURNOVER IS 2000, MAYBE $3,000. AND THAT'S TO PAINT IT, FLIP IT THROUGH THE FLOORS, CLEAN EVERYTHING UP, AND MAKE IT NICE TAN. EVEN NOW WE'RE PAYING 2012, $13,000 ON A TERM BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST SMASHING CABINETS, DESTROYING BATHROOMS, RIPPING UP THE FLOOR, BREAKING OFF THE, THESE BIG CLOSET, BREAKING OFF THE CLOSET DOORS. SO IT'S REALLY BEEN A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS. THE PROPERTY IS REALLY STRUGGLING. SO BASED UPON THAT, I'M REQUESTING AMENDMENT TO THE POWER AGREEMENT, UM, FROM A, UH, DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE CALCULATION. UM, WHICH, UNDER WHICH, UNDER WHICH WE WOULDN'T OWE ANY TAXES WHATSOEVER. EXPLAIN THAT, PLEASE. UM, SO UNDER THE CURRENT POT AGREEMENT, WE ARE REQUIRED THE TAXES. THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE ASSESSED AT A RATE THAT WOULD RESULT. AND THE OPERAT EXPENSES IS BEING LESS THAN A 1.25 DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE ON THE DEBT. UM, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SUCH LOW COLLECTIONS AND SUCH HIGH REPAIR COSTS, THE PROPERTY IS BARELY BREAKING EVEN. UM, I THINK , I THINK LAST YEAR I FED IT MONEY THIS YEAR, IT MIGHT HAVE DONE OKAY. UM, BUT NOW AS, AS THE INCOME IS STARTING TO COME IN, TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT NOW AS THEY'RE LEAVING, IT'S COSTING SO MUCH MORE TURNOVER THE UNIT. SO IT'S BEEN VERY PROBLEMATIC. SO BASED UPON THAT, FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AT LEAST, WE, WE HAVE NOT MET OUR 1.20 DESK SERVERS, 1.25 DESK SERVERS. ACTUALLY, I THINK WE'VE BEEN CLOSER TO 1.0 OR 0.98 LAST YEAR. UM, MARK, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE TOWN BOARD WHAT THAT MEANS? 1.25? SURE. UM, SO JUST FOR EASY MATH, IF MY DEBT FROM THE LENDER IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE LENDER DEMANDS THAT YOU HAVE A 1.25 DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE, WHICH MEANS THAT AFTER ALL EXPENSES, YOU HAVE $125,000 LEFT OVER TO PAY YOUR DEBT MM-HMM . SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PAY THE DEBT AND $25,000 IN, IN THIS EASY NUMBER, JUST FOR REFERENCE, UM, TO HELP SUPPORT OPERATIONS GOING FORWARD AND PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE EXPENDITURES. AND YOU'RE, AND WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN AT ONE POINT, 1.0, I THINK WE'RE POINT 0.98 LAST YEAR. UM, SO PROPERTY IS REALLY STRUGGLING. SO BASED UPON THAT CALCULATION, I COULD, HOW WOULD OWE US MINUS, INSTEAD OF US ALL TAXES, BECAUSE OUR POWER AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT WE'LL GET AT LEAST 1.25 DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. SO WE'VE PAID ROUGHLY 262 $8,000 A YEAR IN TAXES, UM, BASED UPON THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT REGARD TO THE POWER AGREEMENT. SO THE ASSESSMENT WOULD NEED TO BE REDUCED TO OFFSET, UM, THAT HIGHER TAX LEVEL. SO AN EASIER, LESS CUMBERSOME WAY. AND WHAT MOST OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTIES [00:05:01] IN, UH, GREENBURG HAVE IS A SHELTER RENT PAYMENT. UM, THAT'S BASED UPON THE INCOME OF THE PROPERTY, MINUS UTILITIES, TIMES OF PAYMENT RATE. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU WANNA GO INTO. I, I DON'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE OR GO THROUGH THAT NOW. I'M JUST CONCEPTUALLY THAT'S HOW MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTY PILOTS IN GREENBURG AND THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE WORK. IT'S A SHELTERED RENT CALCULATION. SHELTERED RENT IS YOUR RENTAL INCOME MINUS UTILITIES, UM, AND OTHER EXPENSES TIMES A PAYMENT RATE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE PAYMENT COMES OUT TO BE. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU'RE BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS? YES. BECAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY GETTING DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF TAX, YOU KNOW, BREAKS THAN, UH, THAN YOU ARE. AND YOU'RE ALSO SAYING THAT, UM, UH, YOU, YOU STILL HAVE A, A LOT OF TENANTS WHO ARE IN ARREARS IN TERMS OF THEIR, UM, THEIR PAYMENTS. CORRECT. OF, WE HAVE 192 APARTMENTS THERE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 140 TENANTS WHO HAVE SOME ARREAR BALANCE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAIL, EVERYBODY, BUT THE 140 OF 192 HAVE SOME LEVEL OF UNPAID BILLS TO THE PROPERTY. OKAY. I HAVE TOTAL, HOW MUCH IS IN ARREARS? UH, THE PEAK WAS 1,000,006. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS TODAY. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU'RE HAVING. WHY WOULD, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE HAVING SO MANY ISSUES WITH TENANTS TO STRING THE PROPERTIES AT THAT KIND OF, UH, LEVEL WHERE THIS DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING? UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED IS, ALONG THE WAY, WE SHOULD STILL GET PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR RENT. SO WE DID A PROGRAM WHERE WE SAID, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A RENT ARREARS, YOU CAN'T PARK IN THE PARKING LOT. OH, I'LL TOW YOUR CAR. MM-HMM . MAGIC COMPANY, WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY MAGIC COMPANY. THAT WAS THEIR SUGGESTION. IT JUST BUILT SO MUCH ANIMOSITY AND SO MUCH ANGER TOWARDS US THAT IT REALLY, IT KIND OF, HONESTLY, I'D SAY IT BACKFIRED. UM, 'CAUSE PEOPLE WENT CRAZY AND STILL WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PEOPLE TO PAY WHAT THEIR BACK DUE RENT. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR OBLIGATION. IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION TO PAY THEIR RENT. MM-HMM . UM, AND THAT JUST BUILT A LOT OF BAD BLOOD BETWEEN US AND THE TENANTS. LET, LET ME ASK A QUESTION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ON ONE HAND I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU WANNA BE TREATED JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, DEVELOPER ON THE, ON THE SAME, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE TENANTS BASICALLY ARE UPSET BECAUSE OF THE PARKING AND, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND ALL THAT. IF YOU COULD GET THE SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE COULD ADDRESS THE ARREARS AND PEOPLE ARE PAYING, YOU KNOW, ON TIME, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO THEN, YOU KNOW, RECONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WORK WITH A TE YOU KNOW, IF I SAY TO THE TENANTS, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR RENT BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T PAY THE RENT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, IF WE COULD WORK THAT OUT, COULD WE THEN ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS? YEAH. IF PEOPLE START, IF THE ARRE, THE ARREARS GET CAUGHT UP AND PEOPLE START PAYING TO, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR PARKING ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE A BALANCE IN THEIR RENT. SO IF YOU, IF YOU'VE PAID YOUR RENT AND YOU'RE CURRENT ON YOUR RENT, YOU CAN PARK, YOU GET A PARKING PERMIT. AND NOW THERE'S, THERE'S CONFUSION. WE JUST CHANGED OUR PARKING RISK FOR 2025. SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T GET 'EM. THEY FEEL WE'RE HIDING THEM FROM THEM. IT'S JUST THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH IT AND GETTING THE PAPERWORK SUBMITTED AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. THERE'S NO SCAM OR TRICK OR ANY MAL BAD IDEA WE'RE TRYING TO DO, TO TAKE THE TRICK AWAY AND TAKE AWAY THE PARKING. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ON TOP OF THIS. SO THE PEOPLE WHO TRULY OWE MONEY CAN'T PARK THERE AND ARE INCONVENIENCED AND HOPEFULLY PAY THEIR BACK RENT. BUT PEOPLE PAY THEIR RENT. YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THEIR RENT. COULD WE, COULD THEY GET BETTER, YOU KNOW, PRIVILEGES AND THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T? BECAUSE I'M SAYING, COULD YOU HAVE LIKE A STICKER? UM, SO THIS WAY, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE GUESTS OVER OR NEED EXTRA PARKING SPOTS, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE PENALIZED. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I, I GET, I GET, AND YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL THE, THE EMAILS I SEND YOU, IT'S REALLY PARKING. AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WERE SOME ISSUES. PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE WHERE THEY WERE LIVING. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN AN ISSUE. AND HOT HEAT AND HOT WATER. THAT WAS A ANOTHER COMPLAINT. YEAH. ON THE HEAT AND HOT WATER, WE HAD TO CHANGE, ADD A HOT WATER HEATER. 'CAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH CAPACITY. ALL THE BUILDING IS BUILDING'S 50 YEARS OLD, SO RIGHT. IT WAS CO THE PIPES. WE HAD TO ADD ANOTHER HOT WATER HEATER. UM, SA SOLVES THE HOT WATER PROBLEM. THE HEAT, TYPICALLY FOR THE HEAT PROBLEMS, ASIDE FROM THE, IF THE HEAT BREAKS, IT'S BROKEN A COUPLE TIMES THIS PAST WINTER. BUT GENERALLY PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE HEAT COME TO YOUR DOOR AND SHORTS DRESS CASUALLY AND SAY, YEAH, IT'S FREEZING IN HERE. AND WE GO THROUGH, WE, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE HAVE A WHOLE PROTOCOL FOR HEAT COMPLAINT. AND THEY HATE, THEY GET THE LITTLE GUN. THEY MEASURE TEMPERATURE AFFORD FROM PLACE IN THE APARTMENT. THEY MAKE A LIST OF WHAT THE TEMPERATURE WAS. AND IF IT'S A PROBLEM, WE GET IT. BUT TYPICALLY DEPARTMENTS ARE ABOVE 70 DEGREES. THEY'RE COMFORTABLE. BUT PEOPLE LIKE TO BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THEIR HOMES. I, I DON'T WANNA SAY PEJORATIVELY OR CRITICALLY, BUT, AND [00:10:01] I, I DO TOO, BUT I WEAR SWEAT ON MY HOUSE. 'CAUSE I PAY FOR MY HEAT. , THIS IS SO COOL. AND, AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, AFTER, DURING COVID, THE STATE MADE IT HARDER TO EVICT PEOPLE WHO HADN'T PAID THEIR RENT. SO, SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A YEAR, TWO YEARS, A COUPLE YEARS WHERE PEOPLE WEREN'T PAYING THEIR RENT. AND NOW THE AMOUNT IS EXORBITANT. NOW IT'S SORT OF LIKE OVER THEIR HEAD. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SAY THE STATE, I MEAN, AS PART OF THE PROBLEM, THE STATE'S POLICIES RELATING TO, UM, EVICTIONS DURING THE COVID, YOU KNOW, PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE JUST GOT USED TO NOT PAYING THEIR RENT AND NOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET CAUGHT UP. AND NOW IT'S, BUT THAT WOULD BE A PERVASIVE PROBLEM THEN. NO, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT IT'S NOT, IT IS, IS A PERVASIVE PROBLEM. WELL, IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING HISTORY, IT'S A VERY COMMON PROBLEM. IT'S, IT'S NOT PERVASIVE NECESSARILY IN GREENBURG THOUGH. OKAY. WELL, WE DON'T, WE, THE DEVELOPERS HAVEN'T CALLED US YET. SO WE DO HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING THIS ISSUE. THE EAP, THE EAP PROGRAM WAS A GREAT IDEA. UM, WHAT HAPPENED IN EXECUTION WAS IF THE STATE CAME IN AND PAID THIS TENANT BACK RENT, THEY SAID, ALRIGHT, IF YOU, IF YOU ACCEPT OUR MONEY FOR THEIR BACK RENT, YOU PROMISE A TO NOT EVICT THEM FOR A YEAR AND TO NOT INCREASE THEIR RENT. OKAY, WELL, I DON'T NEED TO INCREASE YOUR RENT. BUT NOW WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T EVICT THEM FOR A YEAR. SO WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? NOT PAY RENT AGAIN? SO THEY HAVEN'T PAID RENT FOR A YEAR, GET THE ERE PROGRAM. I CAN'T GET 'EM OUT FOR A YEAR, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA STOP PAYING RENT AGAIN. SO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL I GET TO A YEAR BECAUSE I PROMISED THEY COULDN'T EVICT THEM FOR A YEAR AND THEN GO AFTER THEM. YOU KNOW, IT TOOK, IT TOOK A VERY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE STATE TO PROCESS THOSE APPLICATIONS TOO. ACTUALLY, I THINK WE HAVE TWO EAP APPLICATIONS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING FROM THE PEAK OF COVID THAT THE STATE IS UNDERWRITING. AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE IN THAT WAS THAT THE EAP MONIES DIDN'T GO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT AWAY. MOST OF THE EAP MONEY WENT TO OTHER PEOPLE AND THEY WERE LOWER DOWN ON THAT LIST. YEAH. WE, WE, THERE WERE SOME PROPERTIES. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DELAY. IS THERE LIKE ANY LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT COULD, THAT COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT, UH, LANDLORDS ARE HAVING IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH, WITH TENANTS? BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO SEE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THROWN OUT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR RENT, YOU CAN'T OPERATE. CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW. THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PROGRAM, I HEARD THAT ONE OPERATOR GOT SOME SUBSIDY, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY ASIDE FROM THAT. I THINK THAT REALLY EVERYONE JUST TOUGHING OUT AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO, HOW TO DEAL WITH IT. AND GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, OUR, WHAT WE'VE DONE TO ADDRESS THE MEASURE, AS YOU REFERRED TO ME, A CONTACT AT THE COUNTY WHO CAME IN, OFFERED SOME MONEY, AND SHE HELPED SOME OF THE TENANTS COME UP TO SPEED WITH, WITH THE MONEY. THE, SHE FOCUSED ON SENIORS WHO WERE BEHIND THEIR, AND SHE HELPED THEM GET, I DON'T, I DIDN'T WORK WITH HER. THE, IT WAS JUST ONLY SENIORS. I, WHEN I SPOKE WITH HER, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST, IT WAS ALL, IT WAS ALL IT WAS. IT WAS RESIDENT, IT WAS, IT WAS EV ALL RESIDENTS. BUT IT SEEMED, YOU KNOW WHAT, YES. IT WAS ALL RESIDENTS. SHE ADDRESSED EVERYBODY. YOU SET UP A, SHE WORKS FOR SENIOR PROGRAM. SO THAT'S HER FOCUS. YES. BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DIANE? MM-HMM . YES. BUT WHAT, NO, BUT SHE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO ME. THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFIRMING, WELL, HER, HER, SHE, HER PRIMARY FOCUS OF COURSE IS, IS CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. BUT WHAT SHE DID IS SHE ADDRESSED AS MANY PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP TO LISTEN TO HER ADDRESSED AND RE REGARD REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE. YEAH, RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. THAT, THAT, THAT THAT RESOURCE WAS NOT ONLY FOR SENIORS, THAT THAT RESOURCES WAS FOR EVERYONE. THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR. SO I DIDN'T, I, I INTRODUCED HER TO THE PROPERTY MAGIC COMPANY AND MM-HMM . AND THEN I'M NOT INVOLVED IN DAY OF OPERATION OF PROPERTY ANYMORE. I'M TRYING TO STEP AWAY FROM IT. SO I KNOW SHE SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY WHO WASN'T AVAILABLE TODAY FOR ME TO GET MY UPDATE THIS MEETING, UH, WHERE WE STOOD UP. BUT I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER. I KNOW THAT SHE WAS, THE COUNTY WAS HELPING US. SOME OF THE RESIDENTS GET CAUGHT UP. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND HOW, AND HOW DID THAT WORK? WAS IT, DID YOU SEE A CHANGE IN THAT? DID YOU SEE IT WASN'T BIG AN INCREASE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. HOW LONG HAS THIS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE AMENDMENT? WOULD THAT BE A PERMANENT OR IS IT LIKE A COUPLE YEAR? YOU KNOW, IDEALLY IT, IT'D BE A PERMANENT CHANGE TO BRING US TO A PAYMENT LEVEL THAT IS COMMENCED WITH OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PERFORMANCE BASED POWER AGREEMENT. SO KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE CONCEPT, WHAT WE DID WITH THE 1.25 DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. BUT THIS NOW IS MORE OF A UNIFORM TIED TO A SHELTERED RENT CALCULATION. AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL? SO AT 1.20, 1.25, DEATH SERVICE COVERAGE, MY TAX PAYMENT IS ZERO. YOU OWE ME MONEY. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. , YOU WANNA SAY THAT LATTER INTO THE MICROPHONE AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I SURELY DO. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. SURE. CAN'T AFFORD. SO, [00:15:01] SO WITH THE, WITH THE SHELTER RENT PAYMENT, I THINK AT 3% IT COMES OUT TO $80,000, $80,000 ISH. UM, AND THAT'S JUST, AS I SAID, IT'S COLLECTED RENTAL INCOME MINUS UTILITIES AND SOME OTHER COSTS, TIMES OF PAYMENT RENT AT 3%. UH, TYPICAL RATE IS THREE TO 5%. UM, TYPICALLY THEY'RE CO-TERM OF THE MORTGAGE. SO I'D ASK FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS TO MATCH THE TERM OF OUR MORTGAGE. SO THERE AREN'T THE REST OF OUR BALANCE. OUR MORTGAGE, WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE INITIALLY. WHY DID YOU GO WITH THE OTHER MODEL RATHER THAN THIS ONE? 'CAUSE THE ASSESSOR WAS MUCH SMARTER THAN ME. . OKAY. . I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. SO CAN WE, NO, I'M, I'M, I LOST THAT. I NO, IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. YOU KNOW, WE ED IT WAS, IT WAS 18 YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST NEGOTIATED THE PILOT, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST PILOT IN GREENBERG FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, AND SINCE THEN, THE REST OF THE COUNTY IS, IS INCLUDING THE REST OF OUR PILOTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IS HOVERING AROUND 5% SHELTER RENTS. LET'S ASSUME THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR YOU, LET'S SAY THE TOWN BOARD WOULD SAY NO. WHAT WOULD BE THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR YOUR COMPLEX? I CAN TEST MY TAXES, SO I WOULDN'T OWE ANY TAXES. A MARK. OH, I'M SORRY. IF, IF, TELL ME A QUESTION AGAIN. I'M SORRY. NO. LET'S SAY THE TOWN BOARD SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS. WHAT WOULD BE THE RAMIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO MARATHON? YEAH, I GUESS THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE, ARE TWOFOLD. A YOU KNOW, WE CONSIDER OUR APPEAL OF OUR TAXES AND WE WOULDN'T OWE ANY TAXES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR ARGUMENT SAYS. UM, THINK WE GOT OUR MONEY BACK AT WHAT WE PAID. BUT I TALKED THE ASSESS THE RULES ARE FOR THAT. UM, I'M NOT NEGOTIATING OR TRYING TO ARGUE YOU, BUT I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW. 1.25 DEATH SERVICE COVERAGE. WE DON'T MAKE, WE HAVE 1.0 DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. I THINK WE PAID BASED UPON THE ASSESSED VALUATION OF PROPERTY. QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IS 2 80, 2 6 IN THAT RANGE. TWO 260,000, GIVE OR TAKE 200. YEAH. OKAY. $260,000. UM, THAT'S MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE PROPERTY. THERE'S THE PROPERTY, PROPERTY ISN'T DOING WELL. IT'S, IT NEEDS, IT NEEDS HELP. SO ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET TO A PLACE THAT'S FAIR. SO PROPERTY HAS SOME REVENUE AND CAN FIX ITSELF. YOU KNOW, BUILDING IS 50 YEARS OLD ON TOP OF TENANTS WORK BRING OUT, THERE ARE TENANTS WHO LEAVE THE PLACE BEAUTIFULLY. WELL, THAT'S AN EXAGGERATION, BUT TENANT OF THE PLACE. AND IT'S FINE. IT'S A NORMAL TURNOVER. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT THE ONES WHO TRASH IT REALLY TRASH IT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A OVERCOMPENSATE FOR THAT. AS WELL AS THE BUILDING IS 50 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS TO BUILDING. WE'RE REPLACING A SEWER MAIN IN THE BUILDING LAST WEEK. THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS HAPPENING IN THE BUILDING THAT'S 50 YEARS OLD. UM, SO JUST HELPS US COVER THE OPERATING EXPENSES AND FOR THE COURSE RESERVES. SO AT THE CURRENT 1.25, WHICH YOU CAN'T MEET, DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT WAS, THAT WAS A STATE SOMEHOW THAT THAT WAS, IT WAS PART OF OUR FINANCING. PART OF THE FINANCING VIS-A-VIS THE STATE. CORRECT. I WROTE TO 1.25. AND IF YOU DON'T, AND IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU'RE UNDERWATER THERE, ARE THERE RAMIFICATIONS FOR YOU FROM THE STATE? UM, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S FROM THE STATE. SO THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS STRUCTURED, WE HAVE TWO COMPONENTS. WE HAVE OUR INVESTOR WHO PURCHASED THE INCOME HOUSING TAX THREATS. AND SO FOR 1.25 DEATH COVERAGE JUST MEANS THAT I COME OUT OF POCKET WHEREVER THE PROPERTY CAN'T AFFORD. SO THE PROPERTY'S NOT BREAKING EVEN RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S JUST ABOUT ONE, IT'S LIKE 0.98, DEATH SERVICE COVERAGE. SO WE HAVE SOME RESERVES WE CAN USE. WE HAVE OTHER PROCEEDS WE CAN USE, BUT I COME OUT OF POCKET TO KEEP THE PROPERTY AFLOAT. SO INSTEAD OF CASH FLOW AS A DEVELOPER, I'M PAYING THE PROPERTY TO STAY AFLOAT. OKAY. I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE MISUNDERSTANDING IS THE 1.25 DEBT SERVICE IS A REQUIREMENT FROM HIS FINANCING WHEREVER HE GETS FINANCING FROM. BUT, AND HE GOT SOME OF HIS FINANCING FROM THE STATE. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU HEARD. BUT THAT THE STATE PROGRAM ITSELF IS DIFFERENT THAN HIS FINANCING, I GUESS. UM, WHAT, UH, UH, AN IMPORTANT POINT IS ALSO SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, SO THAT I UNDERSTAND AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND, UM, AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, DEVELOPER, YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON THE TAX SUBSIDIES AND BETTER FINANCING AS A RESULT TO MAKE ANY AMOUNT OF PROFIT. SO FAR, MY GREAT, OKAY. UM, AND THE RENT, OH, THAT IS SO FUNNY. TALKING. OKAY, SORRY. FORGOT. UM, WAS THE VOICE FROM, FROM LOVE THE VOICE FROM LOVE, CLEARLY. YEAH. SO, UH, ST. FRANCIS, UM, . SO, BUT COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU [00:20:01] COM YOUR KIND OF HOUSING COMPARES TO A DEVELOPER WHO BUILDS MORE LUXURY HOUSING OR THE, AND DOESN'T HAVE, IS YOUR PROFIT MARGIN THE SAME LOWER? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU IT'S LOWER. UM, SO WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IS, IS THE PROBLEM BECOMES, IT'S, IT'S JUST EVERY YEAR THE STATE COMES OUT, ACTUALLY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RELEASES THE INCREASE IN THE, UH, AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR A COUNTY. SO THAT SAYS, OKAY, BASED UPON A, I'M JUST MAKE WITH NUMBERS BASED UPON A, THE NEW INCREASE FOR A MI FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY, YOUR RENT IS GONNA GO UP 4%, 3%, 2%, 10%, WHATEVER IT IS. 'CAUSE THE A MI GOES UP AND YOUR RISK GET TO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY. THAT IGNORES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE IN RULES. A MI EXPLAIN, PLEASE. OH, THE AREA MEDIA INCOME. SO THIS, THE HUD AND MM-HMM . ACTUALLY, THEY JUST LISTED KIND OF IRONIC. ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY, THEY JUST PUBLISHED THIS YEAR'S NEW, UM, A MI FOR THE COUNTY. IT WENT UP QUITE A BIT. UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, SO THAT'S THE MOST WE CAN INCREASE OUR RENT IS 5%. WHATEVER THAT PERMIT, PERMIT INCREASE IS, PERSON TO THOSE GUIDELINES IS THAT'S ALL WE CAN INCREASE IT. AND IF IT GOES DOWN, YOU HAVE TO REDUCE NO, THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T BANG IF IT GOES DOWN. BUT WHAT HA THE PROBLEM BECOMES IS IF UTILITIES SKYROCKET, IF INSURANCE SKYROCKETS, IF I'M A MARKET RATE DEVELOP, I SAY, YOUR RENT'S GOING UP, YOUR RENEWAL OR PERSUANT TO WHATEVER YOUR LEASE TERMS ARE. I'M INCREASING YOUR RENT BECAUSE MY INSURANCE WENT UP BY $200,000. I'M PASSED THAT ACROSS. THAT'S 50 BUCKS A TENANT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL COST. , WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVE NO, YOU GET THE 4% INCREASE THAT WAS IN THE A MI FOR THE COUNTY. THAT'S ALL YOU GET TO HAVE. THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR RENT. SO YOU INTELLIGENCE SKYROCKETING, I KNOW TARIFFS CAN DO THAT, BUT AS, AS YOUR OPERATING INCREASE, YOU'RE MORE, GET MORE COMPRESSED AND FITTER AND FITTER AND YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, I'M PASSING ANY, THAT INCREASED ADDITIONAL COST ONTO AT TENANT. MM-HMM . WOULD YOU, SO WHO IS YOUR, WHO IS YOUR, I'M SORRY, WHO IS YOUR, WHO IS YOUR, UM, ENERGY CARRIER? HMM. I LUCKY. DO YOU WANNA CONTRIBUTE TO OUR NO, NO, I WON'T. YOU THREW PA I THOUGHT YOU WOULD, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE SOMETHING TO, OKAY. NO, IT'S NOT PSNY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GOVERNMENT. UH, PNA ONLY DOES GOVERNMENT. OKAY. RIGHT. I THINK, UM, BUT LET ME ASK A QUESTION. UM, UM, IF YOU GET THE APPROVAL, IS THERE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME TENANTS WHO WILL BE COMPLAINING, OH, WHY ARE YOU GIVING, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A BREAK. WOULD, IS THERE LIKE ANY LIKE PLAN OF ACTION SAYING, I'M GONNA USE THIS MONEY TO DO THESE TYPE OF REPAIRS DURING THE NEXT YEAR. SO WHEN I SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THE TENANTS, I COULD SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE FIXING THE HEATING, WE'RE GONNA BE FIXING THE HOT, UH, WATER SEWER PIPE, THE SEWER PIPES. IF, IF YOU GAVE US LIKE A LIST OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'D BE COMMITTED TO DO, THEN I THINK IT MAKES A MUCH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MUCH, YOU KNOW, EASIER IF YOU COULD SAY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK WITH THE TENANTS ASSOCIATION AND IF WE COULD GET THE ARREARS, UM, YOU KNOW, PAID UP BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY RIGHT NOW, IF WE COULD GET IT TO A REASONABLE AMOUNT, THEN WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TENANTS GROUPS AND SEE IF WE COULD, UH, IMPROVE, ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS. THEN, THEN I FEEL THEN IT BECOMES LIKE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. BECAUSE I'M SURE WHEN TENANTS ARE SPEAKING TO ME, UH, THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT LIKE THE HEAT, THE HOT WATER, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, LITTLE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE PROBLEMS. IF I SAY, LISTEN, WE ARE NOT GONNA ALL WORK TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS, THEN I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE MUCH MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SAY, NOW I, WE HAVE A CAP ON THESE PROGRAM FOR THE PROPERTY. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE, THERE ARE MEASURE OF THE PROPERTY NEEDS. BUT QUITE FRANKLY, RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING ON JUST TRYING TO TURN OVER THE UNITS THAT ARE GETTING TRASH AND GOING THROUGH IT. I MEAN, WE HAVE THINGS, I REPLACED THE FRONT DOORS TO BUILDING, I THINK IT'S 103 4,000 BUCKS. I HAVE INSTITUTIONAL GRADE DOORS, ALMOST PRISON GRADE DOORS. AND TENANTS STILL JAM ROCKS IN 'EM, SLAM 'EM CLOSED, BREAK THEM SO THEY CAN HOLD. IT'S JUST, IT'S A VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING PROCESS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT TENTS THERE, BUT THERE ARE VISITORS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBLEMS AND DESTROY 'EM. THE BUILDING FROM PEOPLE USING THE HALLWAY FOR INAPPROPRIATE MEASURES, STA MEASURES FOR INAPPROPRIATE THINGS. THERE'S JUST A LOT GOING ON THERE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE, THE WHEREWITHAL TO SAY, ALL THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, BUT THERE'S SOME ROOF REPAIRS I WANNA DO. THERE'S SOME MASON REPAIRS WE NEED TO DO. THERE'S SOME DOCKING REPAIRS THAT DO WE NEED TO DO. AND THOSE AREN'T REALLY NECESSARILY A COMMUNITY WIDE BENEFIT. IF DEPARTMENT 33, 4 J'S BALCONY IS, IS, IS HAS A LOT, UH, DETERIORATION AROUND ONE OF THE, UH, POSTS TO THEIR BALCONY, I'VE GOTTA REPAIR THAT. 'CAUSE WAR'S GETTING IN THERE, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. YOU KNOW, PERHAPS IT'S NOT SO MUCH BEING SO INCREMENTAL, BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE, [00:25:01] OUR, OUR REPAIRS USED TO BE $3,000. NOW THEY'VE GONE UP $12,000 PER APARTMENT TIMES X AMOUNT. SO THIS IS THE DIFFERENTIAL IN OUR COSTS. UM, CONED RATES HAVE GONE UP. JUST THAT TRANSPARENCY, I THINK IS WHAT PAUL'S LOOKING FOR. OR EVEN JUST SAYING, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THESE, UM, REPAIRS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN YOU COULD ADD ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING AS PART OF THE, UH, AS PART OF THE REPAIRS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE REVENUE THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO MAKE THE REPAIRS. THEN I SORT OF FEEL THAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY, OH, IT'S REALLY BEING RESPONSIBLE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH YOU BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, 190 AND 33 OAK STREET, UH, GO UNDER, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO BE, UH, A FIRST RATE BUILDING. WE WANT PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND BE SAFE AND, AND HAVE A COMFORTABLE LIFESTYLE. AND I THINK YOU DO ALSO, UM, AND I, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO LIKE THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN MY EMAIL. SO THINGS I WANT BE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, I'M DOING THIS NOT FOR YOU, BUT I'M DOING IT FOR THEM AS WELL. BUT WHO ARE YOU DEVELOPING THIS NARRATIVE FOR? FOR THE TENANTS? I'M, I WANNA SPEAK TO THE NO, THE TENANT. I WAS CURIOUS. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE MY, MY, THE THING IS, I, I PROBABLY HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL, SENT YOU AN EMAIL ME EVERY OTHER WEEK OR SOMETHING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YEAH. EVERY FEW WEEKS. EVERY FEW WEEKS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE. AND YOU, I DON'T HEAR FREE YOU FROM MONTHS AT A TIME. THOSE ARE GOOD MONTHS. YEAH. BUT, RIGHT. BUT, SO THE THING IS, I WANT TO BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH YOU ON ADDRESSING THE ARREARS ISSUES AND YOU KNOW, LETTING YOU KNOW, THE TENANTS WHO COMPLAIN KNOW THAT THIS IS, TO ME, IT'S A LEGITIMATE, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM. PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY THEIR RENT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I JUST, I'M JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK WITH THE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, ASSOCIATION PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE OBSTACLES. AND THEN SEE IF WE COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, PLAN OF ACTION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE AYA CONCERNS. SO, SO THE ONE, SO THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU, THAT YOU HAVE COMMUNICATED TO, TO MARK WHAT HAVE, WHAT WAS THE NARRATIVE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS? WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU. YOU'LL FORWARD IT TO THE PROPERTY. NO, NO. WHAT WAS THE CONTENT OF, WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU FORWARD, YOU SAID YOU SPOKE TO OH YEAH, YOU SPOKE TO MANY OF THE RESIDENTS. I JUST WANTED CURIOUS. SO WHAT WAS THAT TYPE SAY WHAT THEY, SOME PEOPLE, I'LL SAY A GOOD CHUNK IS PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT THE LACK OF PARKING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE, THE PARKING FOR GUESTS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING TREATED LIKE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. BUT THE PARKING WAS REMOVED, BUT THE PARKING WAS REMOVED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PAYING THEIR RENT. NO, BUT IT IS, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING HAVE BEEN PAYING THE RENT. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAID IT? WELL, I DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR, I MEAN, I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 140 OUT OF HUNDRED 90, NO, I, I HAD SOMEBODY WHO WAS ONLY THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, 40, UH, 50, YOU KNOW, 50 UNITS. I WAS LIKE, YOU DID THE MATH. MATH. DON'T WORRY. THE MATH. THANK YOU. NO, I HAD SOMEBODY, UH, A FEW PEOPLE COMPLAINING, UM, THAT THEY, THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEY WERE AFRAID OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS. I SPOKE TO THE POLICE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS ANOTHER QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCERN. UM, BUT THAT WAS NOT THOUGHT THAT WAS ISOLATED DE EFFICIENCY. I JUST TRYING UNDERSTAND. I WAS JUST TRYING BUILDING I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH THE RESIDENTS WITH REGARDS TO MARK'S ISSUE THAT YOU SENT. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOUT SEND IT OVER TO US. SO WE'RE, I THINK TWO DAYS AGO, SOME WE'RE PAUL, I JUST WANNA FINISH SO YOU CAN REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION. SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU MARK. AND YOU SAID YOU GUYS BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW. SO WHAT WERE THOSE CONVERSATIONS? DID YOU HAVE A, DID YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH THE TENANT ASSOCIATION TO EXPRESS THIS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS A MINI CO MINI RESIDENTS. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I HAVE, SO WE ALL KNOW AS COUNCIL PEOPLE, AS THE TOWN BOARD WHEN WE ARE DRESSED. SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATIONS. 'CAUSE WE WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE WALKING BLINDLY. WE HAVE NO CLUE. WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE. ALL WE CAN DO IS THE SAME WAY, THE SAME WAY I MENTIONED, I SAW ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, IRIS MCGEE AT, I'LL JUST SAY, UM, AT THE BARBARA YES. BARBARA PERRY'S CELEBRATION. YES. OR DEDICATION RATHER. MM-HMM . AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH. SO WE NEED TO BE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT'S BEING COMMUNICATED. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T. IF I HEAR COMPLAINTS, I MEAN, YES, LAST YEAR THIS TIME WE HAD, WE HAD TENANTS COMING FOR US AND WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKING, AND YOU EXPLAINED WHY YOU PUT THAT PROCESS IN PLACE. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, HAS THAT GOTTEN BETTER? [00:30:01] ARE PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THE REASON WHY THAT IS IN PLACE? AND THERE HAS BEEN AN UPTICK IN, IN RENTS BEING RECEIVED THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OR WHAT IS THERE? BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAT WE'RE MISSING. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT SAYING IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAT WE'RE MISSING AS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE WITHHOLDING THEIR RENTS. SO, AND IT COULD BE A BIG, IT COULD BE A BIGGER ISSUE. SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO SEPARATELY IS HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AND BRING THE COMMUNITY. WE CAN GO DIRECTLY TO THEM AND TRY TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S WHAT, AND PROVIDE OTHER RESOURCES. SO IF THERE ARE, IF THEY ARE HAVING CHALLENGES OF MAKING THAT RED, HAVE A PERSONAL CONVERSATION WITH YOU, NOT WITH EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. HAVE A PERSONAL CONVERSATION AND LET THEM EXPRESS. SO REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, WELL, HERE'S SOME RESOURCES TO HELP YOU, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SEE ANYONE LOSE THEIR PLACE OF LIFE. BUT I, I'VE ALSO COPIED THE TOWN BOARD ON SOME OF THE CARS. SO I'M JUST LOOKING RIGHT NOW AND I SEE THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS MARCH 25TH. NO, I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE COPIED THE BOARD. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE, UM, HAD CONCERNS, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS WELL, MARK. OKAY. I, YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN, I SEE A, WE HAVE THE TOWN BOARD EMAIL ADDRESS. YOU CAN EMAIL ALL OF THAT TO US. I DO. WE DO. PAUL. PAUL. PAUL. IT'S PAUL. I'M, I PROMISE YOU THIS IS NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO ACCUSE YOU OF NOT ANYTHING. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE WE CAN GO AROUND ROBIN FOR THE NEXT 20, 50 MINUTES, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN GOING FORWARD AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS, WE NEED TO HELP EVERYBODY. WE WANNA HELP YOU AS THE TOWN BOARD. WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS ARE OKAY. SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF, AND JUST LIKE, I KNOW I'VE HAD PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, JUST LIKE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS OKAY TOO. BUT WE COLLECTIVELY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE. ARE, ARE THERE STAFFING ISSUES IN THE BUILDING AND MANAGING THE BUILDING? IS IT A LACK OF STAFF? UH, SO TENANT OFTEN FEEL THAT THE PROPERTY IS UNDERSTAFFED. SO WE REALLY TRY TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY. SO IT HAS THEIR PROPERTY MANAGER AND AN ASSISTANT PROPERTY MANAGER AND AN ADMIN AT THE PROPERTY. AND THEY CLOSE THE OFFICE A DAY, A DAY OF THE WEEK. SO THEY CAN JUST DO THEIR PAPERWORK AND GET THINGS CAUGHT UP. UH, THE OFFICE IS OPEN BY APPOINTMENT, AND I MIGHT GET THE DAYS WRONG, BUT LET'S SAY MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, IT'S OPEN. MM-HMM . ANYONE CAN COME IN. IT MIGHT BE TUESDAY, THURSDAY, I DON'T MM-HMM . AGAIN, I'M NOT INVOLVED THE HG MANAGEMENT, HOW THE PROPERTY RUNS. UM, BUT THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE, THERE ARE DAYS AND THEY'RE NOT THERE, BUT THE OFFICE IS CLOSED AND THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS ON WEDNESDAYS MM-HMM . I'M GUESSING. MM-HMM . THE OFFICE IS CLOSED AND NO ONE CAN COME IN. RIGHT. BUT THEY REALLY DO THEIR BEST TO GET BACK TO THEM. I THINK IF YOU, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT. I WOULD, SO OTHER THING I, DO YOU MIND? NO, PLEASE. OKAY. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS JUST, JUST CAME TO MIND, IS THERE OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A LIAISON WITH THE, WITH BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE TENANTS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITHIN THE OFFICE. SO THEN JUST SOMEONE THAT UNDERSTANDS THE ISSUES OF WHAT'S GOING ON THAT THEY CAN PARTNER MAYBE AN INTERN OR SOMETHING, OR I, NOT EVEN AN INTERN, JUST THE LIAISON TO HELP AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT AND SORT OUT THE ISSUES THAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN MANAGEMENT AND TENANTS. I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. I MEAN, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YESTERDAY WE CAN DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST GIVING SOME IDEAS BECAUSE WE REALLY JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND HOW WE CAN TRY TO RESOLVE THAT. YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT RESOLVE, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN AT LEAST GIVE SOME SORT OF RESOURCES AND RE AND REALLY HAVE THE ATTENTION THAT THEY, I, I HONESTLY FEEL AT THIS POINT AT THE PROPERTY, PEOPLE HAVEN'T PAID RENT ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PAID RENT. OKAY. AT THIS POINT. WHY, IF YOU OWE $40,000 IN UNPAID RENT, HOW DO YOU SAY HERE'S $2,000? CAN YOU MM-HMM. CAN WE, CAN WE SQUARE MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO IT IS OVERWHELMING TO THEM. MM-HMM . AND SO THEY JUST, THEY'RE WAIT OUT THE RIDE. THEY SAVE THEM MONEY UNTIL WE, UNTIL THEY GET EVICTED. UM, UNTIL THEY FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO, I'M NOT MM-HMM. MIRING ANYBODY IN SHAPE OR FORM. THIS IS WHAT I'M SEEING AT THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. UM, SO, AND YOU DO EVICT OR YOU, WE TRY AND WE TRY BUT KNOW LEGAL AID FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE, I GUESS IT'S THE COUNTY'S LEGAL AID IS VERY EFFECTIVE AND ADJOURNING AND POSTPONING AND KEEPING TENANTS THERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND I'M NOT MALIGNING THEM, I'M JUST, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, THEY PROTECT THE TENANTS TO THE FULLEST EXTENT THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO AND TENANT STAY FOR A LONG TIME. MM-HMM . I JUST THINK THERE, I JUST THINK THERE COULD BE UN UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU'RE HERE TODAY. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU, BECAUSE OF YOUR CHALLENGES, UM, MAKING THE MORTGAGE OR, OR MAKING THE BILLS, IF YOU WILL. BUT I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HELP YOU FIGURE THAT OUT. YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED, I MENTIONED MS. MCGEE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S BEEN VERY ACTIVE, VERY VOCAL, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, TRYING TO ASSIST AND, AND, AND REALLY BE, UM, AN ADVOCATE FOR TENANTS. AND THEN SOMETIMES SHE'S BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR MANAGEMENT AS WELL. 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY FEEL THAT WE, HOW, HOW DO WE HELP YOU AND HOW DO WE HELP THE TENANTS? 'CAUSE IMPORTANTLY, WELL, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE I SPOKE TO IRIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO, [00:35:01] AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, UH, LET'S, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS A TENANT ASSOCIATION. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT COULD BE A POSITIVE IS LET'S SAY WE HAD A LIAISON FROM THE TOWN BOARD. SHE'S ALREADY ASKED ME ABOUT THAT. I'D ALREADY GIVEN HER MY NUMBER. SO I'M JUST, YOU'LL BE, WE'RE BE LIAISON. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, OKAY, SO SHE HAS GIVEN ME MY NUMBER. WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I, WE, WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT IT. 'CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT, WE HAVE ALL PLAY DIFFERENT ROLES HERE. SO I DON'T WANNA STEP ON ANYONE'S TOLLS AS FOR THE BOARD. SO BEFORE YOU VOLUNTOLD ME, TELL ME, RATHER THAN, I'D RATHER JUST, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE BEING THE TENANT. I TEXT, UM, MS. LEY WITH MY TELEPHONE NUMBER WAITING TO CONNECT WITH HER AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT NEXT STEPS. AND THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LIAISON TO THE HOUSING HERE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA STEP ON HER TOES BECAUSE THAT'S WHO SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR. SO WHETHER IT'S A JOINT VENTURE AS I AS, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, SHE, UH, HE, HENDRICKS, HENDRICKS, AS WE WORK TOGETHER ON THE LIBRARY, WITH THE LIBRARY, WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING ON HOUSING. MM-HMM . SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE MS. LEY WILL GET BACK TO ME, BUT WE CAN FURTHER JUST INVESTIGATE THAT ALL. NO, I THINK THIS IS REALLY POSITIVE BECAUSE IF WE BASICALLY COULD SAY TO THE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE APPROVING THIS, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENT. UH, BASICALLY WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO YOU THAN WE'RE DOING TO ANY OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER IN, YOU KNOW, IN GREENBURG OR IN WESTCHESTER. THIS IS THE GOING RATE. SO YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE BEEN UNDERPAY WAIT, YOU'VE BEEN OVERPAYING. AND UM, AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN WE HAVE TO TREAT EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER EQUALLY. AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WE'RE GONNA WORK COOPERATIVELY, ALL OF US AND THE TENANTS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE, TRY FIGURING OUT ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, A LIAISON TO A TENANTS ASSOCIATION FROM THE TOWN BOARD. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE COMPLAINED TO YOU SOMETIME, I THINK I'VE TRIED COMMUNICATING WITH THE TOWN BOARD, BUT IF I HAVEN'T, THEN I APOLOGIZE. SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TIME IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE'S A COMPLAINT THAT I'LL COPY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD, SO YOU'RE AWARE OF ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLAINTS AND YOU COULD JUDGE WHETHER IT'S LEGITIMATE OR NOT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALSO WORK ON A STRATEGY TO, UM, ADDRESS, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY LARGE ARREARS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH 40 OR $50,000 IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE. BUT WE ALSO TOO, WE ALSO TOO, AND I WANNA CAUTION, WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR ROLE IS IN THIS, BECAUSE SOME THINGS THAT WE CANNOT GET INVOLVED IN, LIKE, YOU HAVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP. I, I SEE MY ATTORNEY NODDING IN THE SET. I MEAN, YOU HAVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR TENANT THAT LEASE THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND THE TENANT. SO WE AS TOWN, WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT WE GET INVOLVED IN. SO AS MUCH AS WE INSERT OURSELVES, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, AND, AND I'M SAYING THIS PURPOSELY, THERE'S SOME THINGS PEOPLE SAY, WELL, CAN YOU HELP ME? BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CANNOT DO. SO I DON'T WANNA SEND, UM, A FALSE EXPECTATION THAT THE TOWN BOARD CAN FIX OR THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE SOLUTION OF GOING FORWARD. WE NEED, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT, BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE CLEAR OF, OF THERE ARE CERTAIN ROLES THAT WE CANNOT PLAY. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY IN OUR POSITION. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. SO IF MAY I, SURE. OKAY. , SO IT'S APRIL 1ST AND THE TOWN BOARD HAS A COPY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, WITH THE DETAILS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT LAST WEEK. AND IS THERE, NUMBER ONE, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM ME? AND NUMBER TWO, WHEN, IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE AMENABLE TO THE AMENDED PILOT, UM, WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE YOUR CONVERSATIONS? BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROCESSED ON THE, UM, JUNE 1ST, 2025 ASSESSOR. ALL, OKAY, SO WHEN, SO WHEN IS OUR DO DROP DEAD DATE THAT WE NEED TO GET BACK TO YOU? PLEASE TOMORROW HAPPEN. NO, I'M KIDDING. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. SEE NOW ANYTHING I SAY AFTER THAT'S GONNA BE GOOD, IT'LL NOT, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. , REALISTICALLY, REALISTICALLY, BY MAY 1ST, OKAY, WE HAVE A MONTH. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SEE? DOES NOT SOUND BETTER THAN TOMORROW. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. BUT WE NEED TIME. I MEAN, WE NEED, WE CAN'T JUST, WE WERE YOU SPEAKING FRANCIS? I WAS ABOUT TO OH, GO AHEAD. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. I'M IN THE HOSPITAL WITH MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, SO I CAN'T TURN ON MY CAMERA A MOMENT. UM, WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE FOR IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GREAT DEAL LIKE PAUL WAS SAYING, BECAUSE MARK WOULDN'T BE BEFORE US TO KEEP IT CHANGED AND THEN TRYING TO GET CONTRACT, UM, THAT'S BASED ON THE RESIDENTS PAYING THEIR RENT IF THEY WEREN'T PAYING THEIR RENT. AND SO WHAT HE'S COMING IN AND ASKING THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS AND THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE TOWN COUNTY, ET CETERA, UM, TO CHIP IN TO COVER THE COST OF THE [00:40:01] PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PAYING THEIR RENT. THIS RAISE IT TO A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN GO TO THE REMAINING TAXPAYERS ON ANY KIND OF AN EXEMPTION AND KEEP SAYING PAY MORE, PAY MORE, PAY MORE. AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY PAY THEIR RENT. IT MAKES, I THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON KNOWS THAT THEY'RE LIVING IN SOME PLACE THAT THERE'S A COST TO LIVING IN THAT PLACE AND THEY CAN'T EXPECT THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO PICK UP THAT COST EATING. HOW MUCH IT AND THE PILOT FOR NINETY A HUNDRED THIRTY THREE OAK DO WE GET IN FROM THE PILOT? YOU ARE MAKING ME DO MATH IN MY HEAD. UM, I, I BELIEVE DON'T. OKAY. DON'T QUOTE ME FIRST DEFINE WHAT PILOT. THE PILOT FIRST DEFINE WHAT PILOT IS PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES. OF TAXES. RIGHT. OKAY. SO CURRENTLY SOME TIME. THANK YOU. UM, ACTUALLY LET'S LIMIT IT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GETS FROM THE PILOT? IT'S ABOUT 60% OF $260,000. 60% OF $260,000? YEP. OKAY, SO IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, RIGHT? NO, IT'S MORE THAN THAT. SPEND $200,000. LET'S SAY IT'S 25. OKAY. SO IT'S A HUNDRED. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GETS $125,000 FROM, UH, TO EDUCATE ALL THE KIDS THAT LIVE IN 33 OAK AND 90 AND A HUNDRED MANHATTAN AVENUE, WHICH IS NOT MUCH 'CAUSE OF COST. ABOUT 24, 20 $5,000 . YEAH. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE NOW BEING ASKED IS, EVEN THOUGH 130,000 OR SO, UM, THAT WE WERE GETTING TO HELP COVER THE COSTS, UM, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA GET THAT. AND THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PICK THAT UP AS WELL. SO IT COSTS EVEN MORE. NOW, THE DIFFERENTIAL FOR EDUCATING A KID THAT GOES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ALL OF THESE ARE LOCATED ON HALF AVENUE, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL IN ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO HAVE EVEN MORE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOING INTO THAT SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT, DIFFERENT ENTITY. UH, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ACTUALLY MANAGE A BUDGET. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT IF YOU'RE LIVING IN A FACILITY, YOU NEED TO PAY YOUR RENT. AND IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR RENT, YOU CAN'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE'S NOT MONEY TO ACTUALLY FIX THINGS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE THESE MEETINGS, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE, AND I KNOW MARK WAS DOING THIS PARKING THING, HE WAS HOPING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, DO YOU WANT A PARKING SPACE? PAY YOUR RENT. UM, AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BUT AT SOME POINT, AT SOME POINT PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY THEIR RENT. AND IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO EXPECT THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO SUBSIDIZE. YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF I DON'T PAY MY MORTGAGE, I CAN'T EXPECT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO PICK UP THAT MORTGAGE FOR ME. NOBODY CAN. IF I DIDN'T, IF I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT, I DIDN'T PAY MY RENT. I COULDN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO PICK UP THAT RENT. BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE FOR SOME PEOPLE, AND UNFORTUNATELY SOME PEOPLE ARE MAKING IT, UH, TAINTING THE DISCUSSION FOR THE, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THERE THAT ARE PAYING THEIR RENT, HAVE PARKING SPACES AND SO FORTH. UH, BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE OTHER TAXPAYERS IN THE TIME REIMBURSED WELL, AND IT'S, YEAH, HEY, THIS IS GREAT. WE CAN JUST REDUCE IT. A CONTRACT THAT WE HAD, WHICH WAS A GOOD CONTRACT THAT WAS BEING HONORED, THAT NOW WE CAN'T HONOR THAT CONTRACT BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON PEOPLE PAYING THEIR RENT. I, I SORT OF, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY THEIR RENT. BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS MADE GREENBERG UNIQUE IS OUR SUCCESSFUL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, COMPLEXES OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD RELATIVELY FEW COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM NEIGHBORS, UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, MAJOR CRIME PROBLEMS AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY'VE BEEN CLEAN. UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE APPRECIATED. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE IS IF, UM, YOU DON'T GET, AND I, I SORT CHANGED MY MIND BECAUSE I TOLD LEE YESTERDAY, I SAID, OH, I'M THINKING OF AB STANDING OR NOT VOTING FOR NOW I'M LEANING THE OTHER WAY AND BEING MORE SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL IF WE DON'T GIVE YOU THE TOOLS [00:45:01] TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND OPERATE AN EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, OPERATION, THE COMPLEX IS GONNA DETERIORATE AT SOME POINT YOU COULD WALK AWAY AND SAY, I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE EVEN, YOU KNOW, GREATER, YOU KNOW, GREATER PROBLEMS. IT'S ALSO GONNA MAKE IT, IF, IF MANHATTAN AVENUE, IF YOUR COMPLEX IS GO UNDER WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE OR CRIME AND ALL THAT, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT. BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE SAYING, LOOK AT THIS, WE HAD A SUCCESS STORY AND NOW IT'S A FAILURE. SO I SORT OF ALMOST FEEL THAT IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER AND CAN MAKE THIS MAKE YOUR COMPLEX A BIG SUCCESS, UH, THAT IT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL IN THE WHOLE REGION'S EFFORT TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, BUILT, YOU KNOW, IN THE AREA. WHERE ARE WE GOING? WHERE ARE WE GOING? NO, I'M SAYING THAT I'M BASIC. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE NO, I'M JUST SAYING I, I FEEL LIKE I JUST HEARD HIM SAY HE'S SUPPORTING THIS. NO, I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND PAUL, I UNDERSTAND AND YOU SAY THIS, YOU SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT NOT IN YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. NO, I SUPPORTED MY SCHOOL DISTRICT. ALL OF ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THIS KEEPS GOING IN THE SAME, ON THE SAME STREET. EVEN IN ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT. NO, BUT THIS ONE, WHAT ARE WE, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR HERE PAUL, 'CAUSE YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME. I DON'T WANT THE 9,130 3-YEAR-OLD. 'CAUSE FRANKLY, MARK SOJA TAKES CARE OF THE POOREST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN. HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS INCREASED THEIR A MI MARK SOJA IS 60% AND YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT, RIGHT, MARK. CORRECT. YOU ARE CORRECT. SO HE IS TAKING CARE OF THE POOREST. I SUPPORT THAT. BUT THE WAY IT DOESN'T GO UNDER IS FOR PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR RENT. THE WAY IT DOESN'T GO UNDER IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY TO, TO PAY IT, PAY FOR THE RENT THAT'S NOT BEING PAID. AND IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CHIP IN PAUL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IT'S REALLY ON THE BACKS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT. YES. BUT, AND, AND, AND WHENEVER THEY COME IN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY SEEM TO COME IN AND WANT TO PUT IT ON THAT SAME STREET. AND IT'S, AND IT'S, AND IT'S FRANKLY SCATTERED SITE HOUSING WORKED. WHY IT HASN'T BEEN PROMOTED AND EXPANDED. I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT, UM, ALL THE PROPOSALS AND I UNDERSTAND THE SENIOR HOUSING GOING ON MANHATTAN AVENUE MADE TOTAL SENSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER MAKES TOTAL SENSE. BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. DONE THAT, THAT THAT'S VERY TRUE. I JUST WANNA ADD THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME SORT OF A COLLECTIVE CULTURAL THING GOING ON IN YOUR COMPLEX WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE RENT. SO THAT'S A VERY HARD THING TO CHANGE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK INTO THE REASONS WHY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT OCCURRING NECESSARILY IN OTHER PLACES. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND IT BECOMES A VICIOUS CYCLE. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING MEETINGS WITH, OR YOU WERE MENTIONING ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A, A LIAISON FROM THE TOWN BOARD ALSO, MEANING NOT JUST WITH THE TENANTS BUT WITH MANAGEMENT AS WELL TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES AND POTENTIAL WAYS TO SOLVE THEM. BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME, THERE'S A, AN UNDER, THERE'S SOME THINGS, UH, TO ME MISSING HERE. THE, THERE'S A KEY TO THE REASONS WHY I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DAYLIGHT A LITTLE. RIGHT? BUT REMEMBER, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE BECAUSE, UH, NOW WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, UH, HE'S CUTTING OUT SECTION EIGHT OR REDUCING SECTION EIGHT. I WAS SPEAKING TO BISHOP PRESTON. SO, UH, YOU HAVE ALL THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEXES IN GREENBURG, UH, EVEN THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY, IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SECTION EIGHT, UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR RENT ALSO. SO, UH, SO THIS IS, SO THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE IS JUST ONE PORTION OF, UM, A PROBLEM THAT THE WHOLE STATE AND NATION'S GONNA HAVE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UH, I MEAN WHAT, WHAT PERCENT OF YOUR TENANTS ON SECTION EIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. BUT WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET, SO WE DON'T WANNA YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S, BUT I WANT, IT'S, IT'S SIX 30 NEED. WE CAN'T EITHER. IT'S SIX 30 AND WE'RE 15 MINUTES OVER AT THIS TIME. SO I'M GONNA LET YOU GO. LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED FROM ME AS THE ASSESSOR AND UM, FEEL FREE TO, UH, THROW OUR TOWN ATTORNEY UNDER THE BUS. THERE YOU GO. OH, OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT IT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SO MUCH. AS WE MARK AS WE DISCUSSED, WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT YOU YEAH, WE'LL CONNECT YOU TOO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, AND EDDIE, BEFORE YOU GO, [00:50:01] THAT NUMBER YOU GAVE ME WAS FOR SOLELY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE TOTAL, THE TAXES ON THE PROJECT ARE ABOUT 260, $70,000. NOT QUITE SURE. I CAN GET YOU AN ACTUAL NUMBER TOMORROW IF THAT'S OH, OKAY. I WAS ASKING 60% IS FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND 60% IS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT'D BE LIKE ONE 50. LIKE HUNDRED 50. YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 156. YEAH. YEAH, ABOUT HUNDRED 50. YEP. AND THAT'S, BUT DID, HAVE YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT? NO, WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING THIS OR NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHO'S REALLY GONNA BE TRULY IMPACTFUL. YEAH, THAT'S THAT. I MEAN, TY TYPICALLY, HISTORICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED WHEN IT COMES TO EITHER NEW PILOTS OR NEGOTIATING, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER, UM, WE COME TO THE TOWN, I COME TO THE TOWN BOARD FIRST, AND THEN, UM, YOU EXPRESS THIS MUCH INTEREST IN WHATEVER THAT PROJECT IS. AND THEN WE GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR WE SEND THE DEVELOPER TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. IF THE PROPERTY'S IN A VILLAGE, THEY GET NOTIFIED RIGHT AFTER YOU DO. SO YOU PUT US IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, I PUT YOUR FIRST OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I PUT YOU ON TOP, , YOU PUT US IN BATTLE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE DECIDE YES. AND THEN NO, NO, WE'RE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M, IS THERE ANY PROGRESS REPORT? SO IT'S ONE 60 RIGHT NOW. WHAT WOULD IT BE WHEN WE, IF WE PASSED THIS THING? I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA HOVER AROUND MAYBE 180. THE NUMBER THAT MARK CAME UP WITH BEFORE SAID 80, PROBABLY AROUND 60,000 FOR THE SCHOOL. 60,000 FOR THE SCHOOL. THE SCHOOL PIECE. YEAH. SO IT'S A HUNDRED TOTAL. ABOUT 60,000 FOR THE SCHOOL. ANY PROGRESS REPORT IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE? YOU KNOW, THE WHAT, UH, WHILE WE'RE HERE, ARE WE GOOD? I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. MAYFAIR. YEAH. COULD YOU ANSWER ON THE MIC PLEASE? SORRY. SORRY. PEOPLE WON'T HEAR. SO, REFINERY ASKED ME ABOUT MAYFAIR APARTMENTS. UM, ON THE FORMER WEST HELP SITE, WE'RE DEVELOPING, SORRY. WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP ANOTHER 64 UNITS OF SENIOR HOUSING AT THE SITE. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, UM, AND GETTING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS. I KNOW GARRETT'S WORKING FOR A HIF GRANT. THE TIE ENTIRE PROJECT TOGETHER CAN COME DOWN, UM, THAT, UH, ROAD TOGETHER. SO WE'RE PROGRESSING. WE'RE WORKING FORWARD TO GETTING IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY AND GETTING IT DONE. WE'VE GOT SOME DRAWING DONE. I, I DROVE BY ON SUNDAY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT, AND I SAW THE TRUCKS AND YEAH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. WE BOTH WERE TOGETHER. SO WHEN WOULD YOU THINK THAT THE CONSTRUCTION COULD START ON THAT? THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. THAT'S GREAT. EXCELLENT. THAT WAS ANOTHER AND WHY DON'T YOU JUST, AS LONG AS WE'RE AT IT, EXPLAIN WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS FOR. OH, SO WE'RE ADDING HOW MANY UNITS, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE BUILDING 64. I DIDN'T PREPARE FOR THIS DISCUSSION, SO I REMEMBER HAVEN THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. UH, I THINK WE HAVE 64 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE, UH, SENIOR HOUSING'S GOING TO BE 12 UNITS CONSTRUCTED IN THE EXISTING ADMIN BUILDING. AND THE BIG ATRIUM WILL REMAIN AS A COMMUNITY SPACE FOR BOTH BUILDINGS TO USE. AND THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING CIRCLE THAT'S THERE. MM-HMM . UH, ABIDING UP AGAINST THAT IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. AND GARRETT'S WORKING WITH YOU, UH, BUILDING A SIDEWALK FROM THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, UH, TO BASICALLY ONE 19. SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO FROM THE HARTSDALE TRAIN STATION ALL THE WAY TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, UH, BY BICYCLE OR BY WALKING. GOD BLESS. OH, THAT'S A LONG WALK. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. MARK. ARE THEY PAYING THEIR RENT AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE? YES, THEY ARE. THEY ARE. YOU SAID THE WATER PRESSURE AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. RIGHT? IT'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE. IT HAS, IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. WE'RE ONLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WRAP UP YOUR COAT, MARK YAKO. MM-HMM. WE'RE ONLY A HALF HOUR LATE. ALRIGHT, SO, OKAY. NEXT I'D LIKE TO MOVE, WE'VE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS TO INTERVIEW CANDIDATES FOR POLICE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMISSION TO STAR, LANDMARK AND PRESERVATION BOARD AND HUMAN RESOURCES CONSULTANT, AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING PENDING AND CURRENT LITIGATION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.